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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 08:07:18 PM

Title: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 08:07:18 PM
Madeleine McCann: German prisoner Christian Brueckner identified as suspect

A 43-year-old German man who travelled around Portugal in a camper van is now the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann 13 years ago.

Police believe the man, now in jail for a sex crime, was in the area where the girl, then aged three, was last seen.

Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate McCann thanked the police, adding: "All we have ever wanted is to find her."

Police are appealing for information about two vehicles owned by the man.

The day after Madeleine vanished, the suspect transferred a Jaguar car to someone else's name.

Madeleine went missing from an apartment on a Portuguese holiday resort on the evening of 3 May 2007, while her parents were with friends at a nearby tapas bar.

Her disappearance sparked a huge and costly police hunt across much of Europe - the most recent Metropolitan Police investigation, which began in 2011, has cost more than £11m.

"Someone out there knows a lot more than they're letting on," said Det Ch Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading the Met inquiry.

The force said it remained a "missing persons" investigation because it does not have "definitive evidence" as to whether Madeleine is alive or not.

However, German investigators have classed it as a murder inquiry.

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The London police force said the German authorities had taken the lead at this stage of the case because the German suspect was in custody in their country.

German police told the country's ZDF TV channel the suspect, who is not being named, is a sex offender currently in prison for a sex crime.

The man has two previous convictions for "sexual contact with girls", according to Christian Hoppe from Germany's federal criminal police office.

'Critical' information
An appeal on German television was broadcast this evening at 19:15 BST.

Det Ch Insp Cranwell said the prisoner, then aged 30, frequented the Algarve between 1995 and 2007, staying for "days upon end" in his camper van and living a "transient lifestyle".

He was in the Praia de Luz area where the McCann family was staying when she disappeared and received a phone call at 7.32pm, which ended at 8.02pm.

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A camper van belonging to the suspect was seen around Praia da Luz in Portugal.

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The suspect transferred the registration of this 1993 Jaguar XJR6 to someone else the day after Madeleine disappeared.

Police have released details of the suspect's phone number and the number which dialled him, saying any information about them could be "critical" to the inquiry.

The suspect is believed to have been using a Portuguese mobile phone, with the number +351 912 730 680 on the day Madeleine went missing.

The phone received a call in the area of Praia da Luz from a second mobile number, +351 916 510 683, from someone not in the area. They want the person who made this call to come forward.

"They're a key witness and we urge them to get in touch," said Det Ch Insp Cranwell.

"Some people will know the man we're describing today... you may be aware of some of the things he's done," he said.

"He may have confided in you about the disappearance of Madeleine.

"More than 13 years have passed and your loyalties may have changed," he added.

"Now is the time to come forward."

Is this the breakthrough? Is this German prisoner the man who can unlock the mystery?

It certainly has the feel of a significant development - police have used those very words.

Evidence, according to detectives, places the man near the scene; the re-registering of his car the next day is undoubtedly suspicious.

And his criminal record, disclosed by the German police, is a disturbing guide as to what his motivations might have been.

But... there have been so many false trails in the case before - clues, sightings and suspects that led nowhere.

Three years ago, during the last major police appeal, Scotland Yard said it was working on one final "critical" line of inquiry.

Now, we're told there's another one. That may explain why Met detectives - who've been involved in the case for nine years - are being rather more cautious than their German counterparts.

Read more... (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52914016)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 08:08:31 PM
Do not forget that the general direction of "Smithman" was toward the "van camping" of PdL.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
New DCI in charge of Operation Grange:

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-52905087/met-police-call-for-information-on-mccann-suspect (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/embed/p08fzkvh/52905087)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 08:26:04 PM
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-issue-statement-18359840 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-issue-statement-18359840)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 03, 2020, 09:12:29 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-disappearance-missing-german-man-prison-a9547536.html


"Police have identified a German paedophile as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann 13 years ago.

The 43-year-old suspect, who has not been named by Scotland Yard, is currently serving a long prison sentence for unrelated offences in Germany.

The country’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) is now leading the investigation, which it is treating as a murder inquiry.

German police said the suspect is a paedophile with multiple convictions, including for sexually abusing children.

He was living in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and, as well as working in catering, burgled holiday apartments and hotels and trafficked drugs.

“There is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left,” the BKA said in a statement.

“We explicitly ask these persons to contact us and provide information.”

The Metropolitan Police said they were still treating the case as a missing person investigation, and that they had no “definitive evidence” indicating whether Madeleine is alive or dead."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 09:18:16 PM
... " burgled holiday apartments" ... I always said that the abductor was a burglar ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2020, 09:22:35 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 09:18:16 PM
... " burgled holiday apartments" ... I always said that the abductor was a burglar ...

Well that'a that then.
As Spammy says, he's obviously guilty.
No need for conclusive evidence or a trial, just bang him up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 09:33:34 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 03, 2020, 09:22:35 PM
Well that'a that then.
As Spammy says, he's obviously guilty.
No need for conclusive evidence or a trial, just bang him up.
No, he is far from guilty. In reality, he is not guilty by now. But there are some details ...
I have written this in June 2019: https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2019/06/madeleine-mccann-case-solved.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2019/06/madeleine-mccann-case-solved.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 03, 2020, 09:22:35 PM
Well that'a that then.
As Spammy says, he's obviously guilty.
No need for conclusive evidence or a trial, just bang him up.

Why not, for the likes of you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 03, 2020, 09:22:35 PM
Well that'a that then.
As Spammy says, he's obviously guilty.
No need for conclusive evidence or a trial, just bang him up.
So so childish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 03, 2020, 09:55:12 PM
He was in the area at the time, he has a history of committing crimes against young girls and he transferred his car into someone else's name the day after Madeleine disappeared.

There was never a mention of a young blond guy except for the neighbor above's  niece who saw a blond guy opening McCann's gate earlier that day and also a blond guy was seen by a cafe-restaurant owner on the beach making a phone call from a payphone. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2020, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 03, 2020, 09:22:35 PM
Well that'a that then.
As Spammy says, he's obviously guilty.
No need for conclusive evidence or a trial, just bang him up.

Wasn't that amarals opinion on the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:02:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 09:42:10 PM
So so childish.

Well, nothing to be done, is there.  No possibility of Blaming Madeleine's parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:10:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:02:27 PM
Well, nothing to be done, is there.  No possibility of Blaming Madeleine's parents.
You’re kidding aren’t you?  This guy could confess to raping and murdering her and they’d still blame the McCanns and still hate them more than him.  It’s far too entrenched now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:13:07 PM
I believe MM to be dead, sadly. I just can’t see the two dogs making so many false alerts. This latest development, in my opinion, could piece together how a body could then have been concealed (possibly in a freezer) and the Smith family sighting could, in my opinion, have been them witnessing someone moving a child’s body from 5A to someone nearby with a vehicle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:02:27 PM
Well, nothing to be done, is there.  No possibility of Blaming Madeleine's parents.

Well there is really, if he dunnit (which he didn't).

They shouldn't have left her indoors alone.

We'll always have that to fall back on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:10:43 PM
You’re kidding aren’t you?  This guy could confess to raping and murdering her and they’d still blame the McCanns and still hate them more than him.  It’s far too entrenched now.

So sorry.  You are right, of course.  I was just hoping for a minute.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 03, 2020, 10:20:06 PM
Portuguese search dogs on the day 2 did find the trail of walking Madeleine. They repeated the same route on the day 4!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:20:10 PM
The BBC has described this as the biggest breakthrough in the case to date and “really, really significant”.  It actually makes me feel sad and sick as it looks highly likely now that Madeleine really was abducted and murdered by a paedophile.  I was always certain this had been the case but always hoped to be wrong. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:20:20 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:13:07 PM
I believe MM to be dead, sadly. I just can’t see the two dogs making so many false alerts. This latest development, in my opinion, could piece together how a body could then have been concealed (possibly in a freezer) and the Smith family sighting could, in my opinion, have been them witnessing someone moving a child’s body from 5A to someone nearby with a vehicle.

Que?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
Well there is really, if he dunnit (which he didn't).

They shouldn't have left her indoors alone.

We'll always have that to fall back on.
So a child abuser and burglar who was in PdL on the night Madeleine went missing, who got rid of his car the following day and who left the country soon after couldn’t possibly have done it.  Right you are. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:20:10 PM
The BBC has described this as the biggest breakthrough in the case to date and “really, really significant”.  It actually makes me feel sad and sick as it looks highly likely now that Madeleine really was abducted and murdered by a paedophile.  I was always certain this had been the case but always hoped to be wrong.

Don't worry, this will soon blow over & eventually there will be a new suspect for the press to fantasise over if history is anything to go by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:24:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:13:07 PM
I believe MM to be dead, sadly. I just can’t see the two dogs making so many false alerts. This latest development, in my opinion, could piece together how a body could then have been concealed (possibly in a freezer) and the Smith family sighting could, in my opinion, have been them witnessing someone moving a child’s body from 5A to someone nearby with a vehicle.
Are you seriously trying to suggest the McCanns were in cahoots with a German paedo in Pdl?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:26:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:20:20 PM
Que?

Well if the man the Smith’s saw was carrying MM Hurried body concealment and later retrieval is fanciful. Passing a body to a third party with a vehicle (and perhaps access to a freezer) is more plausible. Such a scenario also allows for a conclusion that MM was dead in 5A and the cadaver and blood dog alerts in thee apartment could have been correct, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:32:09 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:26:04 PM
Well if the man the Smith’s saw was carrying MM Hurried body concealment and later retrieval is fanciful. Passing a body to a third party with a vehicle (and perhaps access to a freezer) is more plausible. Such a scenario also allows for a conclusion that MM was dead in 5A and the cadaver and blood dog alerts in thee apartment could have been correct, IMO.

Right.  So more than one person was involved in transporting a dead body, even before they knew it would be dead.
Well that's a new one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:32:38 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:26:04 PM
Well if the man the Smith’s saw was carrying MM Hurried body concealment and later retrieval is fanciful. Passing a body to a third party with a vehicle (and perhaps access to a freezer) is more plausible. Such a scenario also allows for a conclusion that MM was dead in 5A and the cadaver and blood dog alerts in thee apartment could have been correct, IMO.
@)(++(*. You really have got to let go of the dog alerts.  Only then will you be able to work out what happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:24:00 PM
Don't worry, this will soon blow over & eventually there will be a new suspect for the press to fantasise over if history is anything to go by.
So you don’t believe there is any reason to suspect this convicted child abuser and holiday apartment burglar who was in PdL that night and who got rid of his car the day after Madeleine disappeared?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:44:50 PM
Has an abduction been proven to have even occurred yet?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 03, 2020, 10:49:06 PM
Hey, hi Vixte. Long time no see!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:49:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:45:24 PM
Oh Dear.  Poor old you.  But never mind, eh what.

Yeah I know right, I'll be proven wrong when the surveillance team rescue Maddie eh?

Shouldn't be much longer now.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:56:27 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:44:50 PM
Has an abduction been proven to have even occurred yet?
looks like the police teams in three countries are well on the way to proving it and clearly it is the main focus of all their attention.  How do you rationalise this to yourself?  Do you think they are all completely thick, or is it some huge EU conspiracy to keep the McCanns out of jail? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:57:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:24:48 PM
Are you seriously trying to suggest the McCanns were in cahoots with a German paedo in Pdl?

I don’t believe Clement Freud was German, no.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:56:27 PM
looks like the police teams in three countries are well on the way to proving it and clearly it is the main focus of all their attention.  How do you rationalise this to yourself?  Do you think they are all completely thick, or is it some huge EU conspiracy to keep the McCanns out of jail?

Get back to me when they prove it.

Shouldn't be much longer now.......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:59:29 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:58:23 PM
Get back to me when they prove it.

Shouldn't be much longer now.......
Looks like you’re right, for once in your life.  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:01:33 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:57:36 PM
I don’t believe Clement Freud was German, no.
What sort of a smartarse response was that?  When did the police mention Clement Freud was a suspect?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:01:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:38:23 PM
So you don’t believe there is any reason to suspect this convicted child abuser and holiday apartment burglar who was in PdL that night and who got rid of his car the day after Madeleine disappeared?

I think he should be investigated. I’m with Clarence Mitchell and the McCann’s though when it comes to pronouncements of guilt on Internet forums!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:05:09 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:01:42 PM
I think he should be investigated. I’m with Clarence Mitchell and the McCann’s though when it comes to pronouncements of guilt on Internet forums!
No one has pronounced anyone guilty (apart from Spam of course, but then he’s like a stuck record).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:01:33 PM
What sort of a smartarse response was that?  When did the police mention Clement Freud was a suspect?

I have read credible reports that allege he is a paedophile. I have also read credible reports that he formed a good relationship with K and G McCann. So the idea of the doctors being in “cahoots” with a PDL paedophile is actually quite well documented, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:07:20 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:06:25 PM
I have read credible reports that allege he is a paedophile. I have also read credible reports that he formed a good relationship with K and G McCann. So the idea of the doctors being in “cahoots” with a PDL paedophile is actually quite well documented, IMO.
What has any of this got to do with today’s news?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:06:25 PM
I have read credible reports that allege he is a paedophile. I have also read credible reports that he formed a good relationship with K and G McCann. So the idea of the doctors being in “cahoots” with a PDL paedophile is actually quite well documented, IMO.

Such a pity that Clement Freud wasn't even In Praya de Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.  Perhaps you didn't know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:11:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:07:20 PM
What has any of this got to do with today’s news?

You asked if I was suggesting that doctors were in “cahoots” with a PDL paedophile. I offered some reports which, IMO, suggest that yes such a scenario is well documented already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:11:51 PM
You asked if I was suggesting that doctors were in “cahoots” with a PDL paedophile. I offered some reports which, IMO, suggest that yes such a scenario is well documented already.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?  I presume so.  I was referring as you must be only too aware to the German paedophile mentioned as the key suspect in today’s news briefing.  You made a post today on this thread which is about today’s news which suggested to me that you were making a connection between this new suspect and the McCanns.  Were you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:11:43 PM
Such a pity that Clement Freud wasn't even In Praya de Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.  Perhaps you didn't know that.

You’re missing my point. I’m not suggesting he was involved in MM’s disappearance. I’m pointing out that it is not fanciful to suggest connections between doctors and PDL paedophiles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:13:07 PM
I believe MM to be dead, sadly. I just can’t see the two dogs making so many false alerts. This latest development, in my opinion, could piece together how a body could then have been concealed (possibly in a freezer) and the Smith family sighting could, in my opinion, have been them witnessing someone moving a child’s body from 5A to someone nearby with a vehicle.
Explain how a German Paedophile abducting Madeleine from the apartment could validate the freezer /Smithman/ death in the apartment theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:16:56 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:15:04 PM
You’re missing my point. I’m not suggesting he was involved in MM’s disappearance. I’m pointing out that it is not fanciful to suggest connections between doctors and PDL paedophiles.
Why did you even mention his name on this thread then? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:20:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
Are you being deliberately obtuse?  I presume so.  I was referring as you must be only too aware to the German paedophile mentioned as the key suspect in today’s news briefing.  You made a post today on this thread which is about today’s news which suggested to me that you were making a connection between this new suspect and the McCanns.  Were you?

Is that you, Clarence? 🤣. What I initially posted was that today’s news could piece together evidence that I find credible. Notably, the Smith family sighting and the dog alerts. The man the Smith’s saw could possibly have been carrying a child
from 5A to someone (of ill repute) with a vehicle nearby.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:22:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:20:47 PM
Is that you, Clarence? 🤣. What I initially posted was that today’s news could piece together evidence that I find credible. Notably, the Smith family sighting and the dog alerts. The man the Smith’s saw could possibly have been carrying a child
from 5A to someone (of ill repute) with a vehicle nearby.
Then just as I said in the first place, you are suggesting that the McCanns were in cahoots with this German paedophile.  Incredible. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:24:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:16:56 PM
Why did you even mention his name on this thread then?

Because it’s a credible example of doctors having a friendly relationship with a PDL paedophile, IMO. Someone else tried to rubbish such a thing. Do you doubt there was a relationship between K and G and Clement Freud?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 11:26:04 PM
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826 (http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:26:18 PM
14 months ago Mark Saunokonoko wrote this. It appears Amaral was correct.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-german-paedophile-took-maddie-uk-police-amaral-claim-podcast/cc225ca6-7123-4182-985c-89888224bd09

A German paedophile who UK police are preparing to target as the man who abducted and possibly killed missing girl Madeleine McCann is not the real culprit, according to an explosive theory outlined by the Portuguese detective who once led the 2007 case.
Goncalo Amaral made the allegation that the German child sex offender – who is known to authorities - would become the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation in a remarkable interview on Maddie, nine.com.au's podcast exploring the disappearance of Madeleine.

Speaking exclusively with nine.com.au, Mr Amaral hit out at Operation Grange, the long-running $20m London Metropolitan Police search for Maddie. He alleged Operation Grange only had "one investigation line", and claimed it was blinkered to other possibilities about what may have happened in the resort where Madeleine was staying.
"[Operation Grange detectives] are preparing the end of the investigation, with a German paedophile who is in prison right now," Mr Amaral said.
"He is probably going to be the scapegoat for the case."

Mr Amaral led the Portuguese investigation into the Madeleine mystery for five months, from May 2007. He was removed from the case after he publicly criticised some lines of inquiry that UK detectives who arrived in Portugal just after Maddie vanished appeared interested in focusing on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:22:51 PM
Then just as I said in the first place, you are suggesting that the McCanns were in cahoots with this German paedophile.  Incredible.

The whole case is incredible.  No stone should be left unturned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:15:04 PM
You’re missing my point. I’m not suggesting he was involved in MM’s disappearance. I’m pointing out that it is not fanciful to suggest connections between doctors and PDL paedophiles.

Good heavens.  The Doctors McCann were in Praia de Luz at the same time as paedophiles.

Which came first, do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:28:53 PM
Madeleine McCann
Madeleine McCann: German paedophile identified as new prime suspect
Man in jail on another charge was living near where toddler vanished in Portugal in 2007
Ben Quinn, and Philip Oltermann in Berlin
Wed 3 Jun 2020 21.37 BST First published on Wed 3 Jun 2020 19.14 BST

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 Madeline McCann went missing from the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on 3 May 2007. Photograph: PA
British police have identified a German national as the new prime suspect in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal 13 years ago, as a fresh international appeal for information was launched.

The suspect who is currently in prison in Germany has not been named. He was in the vicinity of the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on the evening of 3 May 2007, and had a telephone conversation that ended just over an hour before the child went missing from the holiday apartment where she had been sleeping alone with her younger twin siblings as her parents dined at a nearby restaurant.

German investigators launched their own appeal for witnesses on Wednesday in which they revealed the suspect was a convicted paedophile in prison for sexual offences and drug trafficking. They have initiated proceedings against the suspect on suspicion of McCann’s murder.

He was described as being white, with short blonde hair, possibly fair, and being of around six foot tall. Now aged 43, in 2007 he was 30 – but it was said that he may have looked as young as 25. The man, who is in prison on an unrelated matter, had been in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007, with short spells in Germany during that time.

In what they described as a significant moment in their investigation, the Metropolitan police released details of the telephone number used by the man and a number he had been called from, along with photos of a camper van he was said to have been using to live “a transient lifestyle” in Portugal’s Algarve.

An appeal for information was made for anyone who recognised the numbers, the camper van and also a Jaguar car linked to the man. German police also issued an appeal with additional details on national television.

 Kate and Gerry McCann
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 Kate and Gerry McCann, in 2012, with an image of what Madeline might look like as an older girl. Photograph: John Stillwell/PA
“Our main line of inquiry is this suspect,” said Stuart Cundy, the Met’s deputy assistant commissioner.

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“He is the main focus of our investigation, which is why we are making this appeal, to help us with that investigation, to prove or disprove his involvement.”

Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, issued a statement through the police in which they welcomed the appeal. Madeleine would have turned 17 on 12 May this year.

“We welcome the appeal today regarding the disappearance of our daughter, Madeleine. We would like to thank the police forces involved for their continued efforts in the search for Madeleine,” the couple said.

“All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive but whatever the outcome may be, we need to know, as we need to find peace.”


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Police said that significant information regarding the man had emerged after investigators made an appeal in May 2017, the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance.

After German federal police authorities were engaged by British and Portuguese forces in November 2017, a “huge amount of work” had taken place so that investigators could understand all that they could about him and his connections to Praia da Luz.

Images were released of a distinctive VW T3 Westfalia campervan, an early 1980s model with white upper body and a yellow skirting and a Portuguese registration plate; as well as a 1993 Jaguar car that was registered in Germany. On 4 May 2007, the day after Madeleine’s disappearance, the suspect got the car re-registered in Germany under someone else’s name at a time when police believe the car was still in Portugal. They want information from anyone who may have seen both vehicles, which have been seized and are in the possession of police in Germany.

In what was described as an unusual action, police released the details of two Portuguese mobile phone numbers. Members of the public are being asked if they recognised one of them, +351 912 730 680 , which was used by the suspect or if they had stored it in their contacts. It was called by someone else from the number +351 916 510 683 on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance at 7.32pm for a conversation that finished shortly after 8pm.

“We are not saying the person making that call is a suspect in this case. They are someone we need to identify as key person and we need to get in touch with them,” said Cundy, who added that any information in relation to the numbers could be critical.

Some people would know the man who the police were describing, he said, appealing to them directly.

 The camper van police are appealing for information about.
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 The camper van police are appealing for information about. Photograph: Metropolitan police
“You may be aware of some of the things he has done. He may have confided in you about the disappearance of Madeleine. More than 13 years have passed and your loyalties may have changed. He is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past. Now is the time to come forward. We are appealing to you.”

Other details about the man’s lifestyle and properties in the Algarve were due to be released on Wednesday evening on a German television programme similar to the BBC’s Crimewatch, but British police want the public to focus on the details of the telephone numbers and the car.

In Germany, an appeal for witnesses was aired on Wednesday night via Aktenzeichen XY, a long-running TV programme with the aim of throwing light on unsolved crimes.

Christian Hoppe, of the German federal office of criminal investigations, told the programme the suspect had two previous convictions for sexual abuse of girls. He said the suspect lived in Portugal between 1995 and 2007 in a house between Praia da Luz and Lagos, where it appears that he drew the attention of authorities for drug dealing and break-ins at hotels and holiday homes.

While German police first received a tip-off about the suspect following a broadcast on the same programme in October 2013, the information at the time had not sufficed for an investigation or an arrest. On the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance in 2017, Hoppe said, police had received a tip-off about the same suspect but still required further testimonies.

Unlike the German murder inquiry the Met investigation is still being treated as a missing person’s investigation. Cundy said police did not have definitive evidence as to whether Madeleine was alive or dead.

More than £11m has been spent on the British end of the investigation, known as Operation Grange. Funding, which was formed at the request of David Cameron’s government in 2011 after a plea from Madeleine’s parents, is regularly reviewed.

A team of four Metropolitan police detectives continue to investigate. Their investigation has looked at more than 600 people who they believe or believed may be significant and in 2013 four male suspects were identified. Interviews in Portugal led to a search of an area of land close to where Madeleine had been staying but the men were subsequently eliminated from the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:24:51 PM
Because it’s a credible example of doctors having a friendly relationship with a PDL paedophile, IMO. Someone else tried to rubbish such a thing. Do you doubt there was a relationship between K and G and Clement Freud?
Clement Freud has got nothing to do with this latest news and you’re grasping at ever increasingly desperate straws. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:28:03 PM
Good heavens.  The Doctors McCann were in Praia de Luz at the same time as paedophiles.

Which came first, do you think?

The McCanns and Clement Freud became friends, correct?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:34:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:20:47 PM
Is that you, Clarence? 🤣. What I initially posted was that today’s news could piece together evidence that I find credible. Notably, the Smith family sighting and the dog alerts. The man the Smith’s saw could possibly have been carrying a child
from 5A to someone (of ill repute) with a vehicle nearby.

I don't suppose that I could ask whose side you are on, could I?  Not that this should matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:24:51 PM
Because it’s a credible example of doctors having a friendly relationship with a PDL paedophile, IMO. Someone else tried to rubbish such a thing. Do you doubt there was a relationship between K and G and Clement Freud?
Clement Freud has got nothing to do with this latest news and you’re grasping at ever increasingly desperate straws. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 11:36:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:31:58 PM
The McCanns and Clement Freud became friends, correct?

You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 03, 2020, 11:38:42 PM

Christian Hoppe, of the German federal office of criminal investigations, told the programme the suspect had two previous convictions for sexual abuse of girls. He said the suspect lived in Portugal between 1995 and 2007 in a house between Praia da Luz and Lagos, where it appears that he drew the attention of authorities for drug dealing and break-ins at hotels and holiday homes.

Did Amaral's team ever investigate him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:38:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:31:42 PM
Clement Freud has got nothing to do with this latest news and you’re grasping at ever increasingly desperate straws.

I’m not suggesting he was involved. Please go back and read all my posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:39:13 PM
I wonder if OG are just chasing any old German ?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-police-quiz-british-21556263
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:40:50 PM
Notice the desperate attempts by some to turn this latest news into more evidence against the McCanns.  If I hadn’t seen this tactic time and time again I would find it hard to believe but now literally nothing at all surprises me, the depths some people will sink, and the crass stupidity of the thoughts they actually choose to share with the rest of us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 03, 2020, 11:38:42 PM

Christian Hoppe, of the German federal office of criminal investigations, told the programme the suspect had two previous convictions for sexual abuse of girls. He said the suspect lived in Portugal between 1995 and 2007 in a house between Praia da Luz and Lagos, where it appears that he drew the attention of authorities for drug dealing and break-ins at hotels and holiday homes.

Did Amaral's team ever investigate him?

It took 9 years for OG to find him with all their millions. Amaral had five months and a limited budget...so probably not,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 11:41:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:40:50 PM
Notice the desperate attempts by some to turn this latest news into more evidence against the McCanns.  If I hadn’t seen this tactic time and time again I would find it hard to believe but now literally nothing at all surprises me, the depths some people will sink, and the crass stupidity of the thoughts they actually choose to share with the rest of us.

What on earth are you talking about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:42:46 PM
I said the man who the Smith family saw could ,IMO, have been carrying a dead child from 5A to someone with a vehicle. The latest development could fit with evidence I find compelling ~ the dog alerts and the Smith sighting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:42:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:38:54 PM
I’m not suggesting he was involved. Please go back and read all my posts.
I know exactly what you are suggesting - that this German paedo suspect was used to dispose of Madeleine's body. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:44:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:42:46 PM
No I said the man who the Smith family saw could ,IMO, have been carrying a dead child from 5A to someone with a vehicle. The latest development could fit with evidence I find compelling ~ the dog alerts and the Smith sighting.
Like I asked before, explain how that all fits together then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:44:59 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:42:46 PM
No I said the man who the Smith family saw could ,IMO, have been carrying a dead child from 5A to someone with a vehicle. The latest development could fit with evidence I find compelling ~ the dog alerts and the Smith sighting.

Feigned outrage...don’t let it bother you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:45:09 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 11:26:04 PM
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826 (http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826)

Thank You, Heri.  Not good.  But nothing else to be done at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:46:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:40:50 PM
Notice the desperate attempts by some to turn this latest news into more evidence against the McCanns.  If I hadn’t seen this tactic time and time again I would find it hard to believe but now literally nothing at all surprises me, the depths some people will sink, and the crass stupidity of the thoughts they actually choose to share with the rest of us.

Crass stupidity to suggest doctors could have relationships with paedophiles, for example? Let’s discuss the evidence available in the public domain and let’s not resort to insults and chaff. Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:46:17 PM
Crass stupidity to suggest doctors could have relationships with paedophiles, for example? Let’s discuss the evidence available in the public domain and let’s not resort to insults and chaff. Thank you in advance.
OK, start with the evidence presented this evening by the police and work it out from there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:44:59 PM
Feigned outrage...don’t let it bother you.
There is nothing feigned about my outrage.  I do find the desperate desire by some to keep the McCanns in the frame quite outrageous, though not surprising.  What about you? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:42:52 PM
I know exactly what you are suggesting - that this German paedo suspect was used to dispose of Madeleine's body.

I would believe compelling evidence of kidnap and murder. I believe this suspect should be fully investigated. No stone should be left unturned. It’s not me that refuses to accept certain conclusions are possible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:50:38 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:31:58 PM
The McCanns and Clement Freud became friends, correct?

Yes you are probably right.  So what does that mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:51:46 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:50:29 PM
I would believe compelling evidence of kidnap and murder. I believe this suspect should be fully investigated. No stone should be left unturned. It’s not me that refuses to accept certain conclusions are possible.
And what conclusions have you come as a result of today’s news that you believe are possible?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:54:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:44:49 PM
Like I asked before, explain how that all fits together then.

MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:54:47 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:50:29 PM
I would believe compelling evidence of kidnap and murder. I believe this suspect should be fully investigated. No stone should be left unturned. It’s not me that refuses to accept certain conclusions are possible.
Let’s start with the suspect’s phone call.  He received one call from out of town on the night of the disappearance which lasted for approximately 30 minutes.  The number is known but not who made the call.  What conclusions can we draw from this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2020, 11:55:09 PM
Madeleine McCann police 'have enough evidence to charge suspect with abduction and murder'
Christian Hoppe, director of Germany's National Crime Agency, said police think they have enough evidence to charge the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance with murdering her

By Jeremy Armstrong & Martin Fricker
21:49, 3 JUN 2020 UPDATED 22:11, 3 JUN 2020

Prosecutors in Germany have already begun building a strong case against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, a drifter with a record of burglary and offences against young girls.

The man, now 43, had been living a “transient” life in a camper van, and working in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

In the documentary Case Files XY Unsolved on German TV tonight, Christian Hoppe, director of the National Crime Agency, said German police believed they had almost enough evidence to charge him with Madeleine’s abduction and murder.

Herr Hoppe said that there may be some people associated with the suspect who were aware of his ­movements on the night Madeleine disappeared, and he appealed to them to come forward and “clear their conscience” now.

Police appealed to anyone in the resort at the time to fill “the final gaps” in the case, releasing photos of the man’s camper van and Jaguar car and details of a phone call he made on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Police had been aware of his ­presence in the resort and had been building up a case against him since parents Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal for information on German TV in October, 2013.

The suspect had faced sexual and drug-dealing charges in Germany before he arrived in Portugal.

He had also been involved in theft and burglary in the country, where he lived from 1995 to 2007, when he returned to Germany.

Police are unclear if the suspected motive was a simple burglary and he had found Madeleine in the flat after he had broken in, or if he went with the intention to abduct her.

Police revealed the man’s Portuguese-registered phone was in the resort the night Madeleine vanished.

He received a half-hour phone call from another Portuguese number an hour before Madeleine was last seen.

His number, +351 912730680, and the caller’s number, +351 916510683, were released. The caller is not a suspect but is a “crucial witness” police now want to trace.

The programme revealed details of properties the suspect used in the area, one an apartment between Praia da Luz and Lagos, the other an empty property around 15km from Lagos.

Viewers were asked to send police any holiday snaps or video which could help their inquiries. In a reconstruction, Kate and Gerry McCann relived the moment they realised Madeleine was gone.

Kate told the programme, a version of Crimewatch, how they had returned from a tapas restaurant to find ­Madeleine’s bed empty.

She said: “It just seemed a very calm and peaceful place when we arrived there. When I went into her bedroom, I could not see her.

“I thought she was in our bedroom but she was not there either. The curtain went ‘pssh’ and I just remember seeing that the window had been opened.”

Gerry said from that moment they knew the “worst thing imaginable” had happened.

Scotland Yard Detective Chief Insp Mark Cranwell said the suspect had lived a “transient lifestyle” living in his camper van for “days on end”.

Police released photos of the man’s 1980s VW camper and Jaguar XJR-6, both were in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The Jaguar was re-registered in Germany to another person the day after Madeleine disappeared.

 The vehicles have since been seized in Germany and checked for forensic clues linking them to Madeleine.

The suspect had rented a ramshackle farm building from a British man two miles from the resort and had made money selling cars.

Former neighbours told Sky News he “disappeared without a word” from the Algarve farmhouse in 2006.

One said: “He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He went back to Germany at one stage and moved another German guy in to look after it, then came back and threw him out on the street.

“He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane. And then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word.

"I think he left some rent unpaid. About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, ­absolutely vile.

“We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing.”

German authorities are treating their investigation as a murder inquiry, while Scotland Yard say it is still a missing person case.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy said: “It’s now 13 years since Madeleine went missing. Today is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation.”

Kate and Gerry welcomed the breakthrough, saying: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We need to find peace.”

Scotland Yard said they were “aware” of the man before getting a tip-off in May 2017, but he had never previously been a suspect.

They worked alone on the tip for four months before agreeing to liaise with German colleagues.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cundy said since then “a huge amount of work” had been done by the Met and German police.

“The outcome of that is that he is a suspect in the Met’s investigation.

"We will not be giving the name or the identity of this man, but I do recognise that some people will know this suspect.

"Somebody called his phone. We don’t know who that caller was.”

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading Operation Grange, issued a description of the suspect.

He said: “He is white, has short blond hair, possibly fair, about six foot in height with a slim build. In 2007 he was 30 and may have looked somewhere between 25 and early 30s.”

Appealing to anyone who personally knows the man, he added: “This individual is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past.

“Now is the time to come forward.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:55:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:34:28 PM
Clement Freud has got nothing to do with this latest news and you’re grasping at ever increasingly desperate straws.

Well, not really.  If you want to believe that The McCanns sold their daughter to a paedophile.  I can only wonder how much they got.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:55:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:51:46 PM
And what conclusions have you come as a result of today’s news that you believe are possible?

I’ve answered that in my posts already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:55:45 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:54:01 PM
MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.
Where is the German child abuser suspect at this point?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:57:10 PM
Is it worth pointing out that this an looks nothing like Martin Smith’s identification?
 

Blonde
30 but may look as young as 25
Six feet.


— Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour.

So if it isn’t the Smith’s sighting then we have two individuals carrying a little girl similar to Madeleine in pyjamas with bare feet around PDL on the same night....and figure in Tannerman, who doesn’t match the latest description either, and that makes three.

What a farce.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:57:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:55:36 PM
I’ve answered that in my posts already.
No you haven’t drawn any conclusions.  You’ve hinted at stuff and talked alot about the McCanns friendship with Clement Freud.  What conclusions do you draw from this and the latest news?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:58:35 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:54:01 PM
MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.

Yet the description doesn’t fit...too young...too tall and too blond.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:41:45 PM
It took 9 years for OG to find him with all their millions. Amaral had five months and a limited budget...so probably not,

To find who?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:01:03 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2020, 11:55:09 PM
Madeleine McCann police 'have enough evidence to charge suspect with abduction and murder'
Christian Hoppe, director of Germany's National Crime Agency, said police think they have enough evidence to charge the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance with murdering her

By Jeremy Armstrong & Martin Fricker
21:49, 3 JUN 2020 UPDATED 22:11, 3 JUN 2020

Prosecutors in Germany have already begun building a strong case against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, a drifter with a record of burglary and offences against young girls.

The man, now 43, had been living a “transient” life in a camper van, and working in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

In the documentary Case Files XY Unsolved on German TV tonight, Christian Hoppe, director of the National Crime Agency, said German police believed they had almost enough evidence to charge him with Madeleine’s abduction and murder.

Herr Hoppe said that there may be some people associated with the suspect who were aware of his ­movements on the night Madeleine disappeared, and he appealed to them to come forward and “clear their conscience” now.

Police appealed to anyone in the resort at the time to fill “the final gaps” in the case, releasing photos of the man’s camper van and Jaguar car and details of a phone call he made on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Police had been aware of his ­presence in the resort and had been building up a case against him since parents Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal for information on German TV in October, 2013.

The suspect had faced sexual and drug-dealing charges in Germany before he arrived in Portugal.

He had also been involved in theft and burglary in the country, where he lived from 1995 to 2007, when he returned to Germany.

Police are unclear if the suspected motive was a simple burglary and he had found Madeleine in the flat after he had broken in, or if he went with the intention to abduct her.

Police revealed the man’s Portuguese-registered phone was in the resort the night Madeleine vanished.

He received a half-hour phone call from another Portuguese number an hour before Madeleine was last seen.

His number, +351 912730680, and the caller’s number, +351 916510683, were released. The caller is not a suspect but is a “crucial witness” police now want to trace.

The programme revealed details of properties the suspect used in the area, one an apartment between Praia da Luz and Lagos, the other an empty property around 15km from Lagos.

Viewers were asked to send police any holiday snaps or video which could help their inquiries. In a reconstruction, Kate and Gerry McCann relived the moment they realised Madeleine was gone.

Kate told the programme, a version of Crimewatch, how they had returned from a tapas restaurant to find ­Madeleine’s bed empty.

She said: “It just seemed a very calm and peaceful place when we arrived there. When I went into her bedroom, I could not see her.

“I thought she was in our bedroom but she was not there either. The curtain went ‘pssh’ and I just remember seeing that the window had been opened.”

Gerry said from that moment they knew the “worst thing imaginable” had happened.

Scotland Yard Detective Chief Insp Mark Cranwell said the suspect had lived a “transient lifestyle” living in his camper van for “days on end”.

Police released photos of the man’s 1980s VW camper and Jaguar XJR-6, both were in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The Jaguar was re-registered in Germany to another person the day after Madeleine disappeared.

 The vehicles have since been seized in Germany and checked for forensic clues linking them to Madeleine.

The suspect had rented a ramshackle farm building from a British man two miles from the resort and had made money selling cars.

Former neighbours told Sky News he “disappeared without a word” from the Algarve farmhouse in 2006.

One said: “He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He went back to Germany at one stage and moved another German guy in to look after it, then came back and threw him out on the street.

“He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane. And then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word.

"I think he left some rent unpaid. About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, ­absolutely vile.

“We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing.”

German authorities are treating their investigation as a murder inquiry, while Scotland Yard say it is still a missing person case.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy said: “It’s now 13 years since Madeleine went missing. Today is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation.”

Kate and Gerry welcomed the breakthrough, saying: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We need to find peace.”

Scotland Yard said they were “aware” of the man before getting a tip-off in May 2017, but he had never previously been a suspect.

They worked alone on the tip for four months before agreeing to liaise with German colleagues.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cundy said since then “a huge amount of work” had been done by the Met and German police.

“The outcome of that is that he is a suspect in the Met’s investigation.

"We will not be giving the name or the identity of this man, but I do recognise that some people will know this suspect.

"Somebody called his phone. We don’t know who that caller was.”

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading Operation Grange, issued a description of the suspect.

He said: “He is white, has short blond hair, possibly fair, about six foot in height with a slim build. In 2007 he was 30 and may have looked somewhere between 25 and early 30s.”

Appealing to anyone who personally knows the man, he added: “This individual is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past.

“Now is the time to come forward.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055

Then charge him. I for one are desperate to see the evidence against him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:03:03 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:50:38 PM
Yes you are probably right.  So what does that mean?
IMO it means there is evidence to suggest that it is not “incredible” to believe that an unsuspecting individual can form friendly relationships with suspected paedophiles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:03:45 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:46:17 PM
Crass stupidity to suggest doctors could have relationships with paedophiles, for example? Let’s discuss the evidence available in the public domain and let’s not resort to insults and chaff. Thank you in advance.

So what are you actually suggesting?  Could we have a bit more than innuendo?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:07:24 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:54:01 PM
MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.

Excuse Me.  Well down the road a bit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:10:36 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:07:24 AM
Excuse Me.  Well down the road a bit.

And a bit shorter...and younger....and blonder....if the German is guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:16:52 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:57:10 PM
Is it worth pointing out that this an looks nothing like Martin Smith’s identification?
 

Blonde
30 but may look as young as 25
Six feet.


— Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour.

So if it isn’t the Smith’s sighting then we have two individuals carrying a little girl similar to Madeleine in pyjamas with bare feet around PDL on the same night....and figure in Tannerman, who doesn’t match the latest description either, and that makes three.

What a farce.

So you don't want this to be true anymore than I do.  But for entirely different reasons.  This could be really funny.  If only it were funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:18:18 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 04, 1970, 05:04:18 AM
And a bit shorter...and younger....and blonder....if the German is guilty.


If the German is involved and if the Smith’s saw a man carrying MM it does not follow that the Smith’s saw the German.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:21:09 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:06:41 AM
This:

So Doctors have unfriendly relationships with paedophiles?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 12:22:43 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:57:10 PM
Is it worth pointing out that this an looks nothing like Martin Smith’s identification?
 

Blonde
30 but may look as young as 25
Six feet.


— Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour.

So if it isn’t the Smith’s sighting then we have two individuals carrying a little girl similar to Madeleine in pyjamas with bare feet around PDL on the same night....and figure in Tannerman, who doesn’t match the latest description either, and that makes three.

What a farce.

What makes you think this person has anything at all to do with the so called Smithman?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:24:23 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:16:52 AM
So you don't want this to be true anymore than I do.  But for entirely different reasons.  This could be really funny.  If only it were funny.

You’re deliberately muddying the waters. The suggestion I offered as a plausible scenario, IMO, was:

Dog alerts correct - MM died in 5A

Person unknown seen by Smith family carrying (dead) MM to ANOTHER person with a vehicle who conceals body.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:24:54 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:10:36 AM
And a bit shorter...and younger....and blonder....if the German is guilty.

You are absolutely right, Faith.  It probably wasn't that German.  I mean, do come on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:27:10 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:16:52 AM
So you don't want this to be true anymore than I do.  But for entirely different reasons.  This could be really funny.  If only it were funny.

What you and I want is a mute point now...what isn’t is that we now have a German, a Tannerman and a Smithman all running around PDL with a child that looks like Madeleine...it could be the start of a joke if it was the least bit funny.

TBH I now want the police to charge this individual and bring him to trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 04, 2020, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:27:10 AM
What you and I want is a mute point now...what isn’t is that we now have a German, a Tannerman and a Smithman all running around PDL with a child that looks like Madeleine...it could be the start of a joke if it was the least bit funny.

TBH I now want the police to charge this individual and bring him to trial.
They will need more evidence first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:29:35 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 12:22:43 AM
What makes you think this person has anything at all to do with the so called Smithman?

Because if he isn’t we have three individuals roaming around PDL with a girl that looks like Madeleine. Surely even you see the ridiculousness of that scenario ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:38:11 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:27:10 AM
What you and I want is a mute point now...what isn’t is that we now have a German, a Tannerman and a Smithman all running around PDL with a child that looks like Madeleine...it could be the start of a joke if it was the least bit funny.

TBH I now want the police to charge this individual and bring him to trial.

Tannerman has been accounted for according to Op Grange.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:46:08 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:57:15 PM
No you haven’t drawn any conclusions.  You’ve hinted at stuff and talked alot about the McCanns friendship with Clement Freud.  What conclusions do you draw from this and the latest news?

I don’t draw any conclusions from either. I’m open minded to various possibilities. I personally do find the dog alerts and the Smith sighting compelling. IMO MM died in 5A and the Smith family witnessed someone carrying her away from the apartment. This evidence alone does not allow us to make a definitive conclusion.

With regards to the German was it the car or camper van whose registration details were changed the day after MMs disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:46:41 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:38:11 AM
Tannerman has been accounted for according to Op Grange.

He was still walking around with a child, who Tanner claimed, wore pyjamas similar to Madeleine and with bare feet. And then we have Martin Smith describing a similar child and now the German suspect.

Further there is the coincidence of the dogs only alerting in the McCann’s apartment and no other...if it does go to court it’ll be interesting to see how the prosecution explain that one away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:48:14 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:46:08 AM
I don’t draw any conclusions from either. I’m open minded to various possibilities. I personally do find the dog alerts and the Smith sighting compelling. IMO MM died in 5A and the Smith family witnessed someone carrying her away from the apartment. This evidence alone does not allow us to make a definitive conclusion.

With regards to the German was it the car or camper van whose registration details were changed the day after MMs disappearance?

If the alerts are correct then Madeleine had to have been dead in the apartment for upwards of 90 minutes. How then could it have been the German ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:24:23 AM
You’re deliberately muddying the waters. The suggestion I offered as a plausible scenario, IMO, was:

Dog alerts correct - MM died in 5A

Person unknown seen by Smith family carrying (dead) MM to ANOTHER person with a vehicle who conceals body.

Actually, I was talking to Faith.  We are old hands at this.  And it was a joke anyway.  Faith would have known this.

Not that you should not be allowed to intervene  if you so choose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 12:52:11 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:27:10 AM
What you and I want is a mute point now...what isn’t is that we now have a German, a Tannerman and a Smithman all running around PDL with a child that looks like Madeleine...it could be the start of a joke if it was the least bit funny.

TBH I now want the police to charge this individual and bring him to trial.

I think you are being deliberately obtuse ... you are so much more intelligent than that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:54:13 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:27:10 AM
What you and I want is a mute point now...what isn’t is that we now have a German, a Tannerman and a Smithman all running around PDL with a child that looks like Madeleine...it could be the start of a joke if it was the least bit funny.

TBH I now want the police to charge this individual and bring him to trial.

But only if it can be proved,  which is looking a bit dodgy at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:29:35 AM
Because if he isn’t we have three individuals roaming around PDL with a girl that looks like Madeleine. Surely even you see the ridiculousness of that scenario ?

Indeed we can.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:57:04 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 12:52:11 AM
I think you are being deliberately obtuse ... you are so much more intelligent than that.

In what way obtuse ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 12:57:46 AM
The article states this German chap was on the telephone for 30 minutes around the time Madeleine McCann went missing.
With whom could he have been in conversation with on the telephone ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 04, 2020, 12:54:31 AM
Even I couldn't fix it.

Granted it was badly worded. I just meant the Smith’s could have seen a man carrying MM and IMO the German could be involved in MM’s disappearance. However it doesn’t follow that the Smiths can’t have seen the man responsible as they obviously did not see the German. That is to say (at least) two people are involved, imo - Smithman and someone else he met with a vehicle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:01:26 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:32:21 AM
Not to worry..I follow the gist.

I never was a frightfully good Moderator, but there you go.

I don't know what any of this means or even if it is relevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:01:42 AM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 12:57:46 AM
The article states this German chap was on the telephone for 30 minutes around the time Madeleine McCann went missing.
With whom could he have been in conversation with on the telephone ?

Fingers crossed we find out!! Police have published the number.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:02:33 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:54:13 AM
But only if it can be proved,  which is looking a bit dodgy at the moment.

OG say Madeleine is still a missing person...the German police say they are looking to charge the individual with murder. Unless a body suddenly appears the case would have to be rock solid and it appears the investigators aren’t even in the same ballpark.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:04:41 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:01:26 AM
I never was a frightfully good Moderator, but there you go.

I don't know what any of this means or even if it is relevant.

You’re fair Eleanor...that’s all we can ask.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:05:14 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:48:14 AM
If the alerts are correct then Madeleine had to have been dead in the apartment for upwards of 90 minutes. How then could it have been the German ?

I didn’t say it was. Perhaps a possible scenario is the German was involved with concealment, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:06:26 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:01:42 AM
Fingers crossed we find out!! Police have published the number.

Unless we know the content of the telephone call I don’t see how that takes us any further forward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:07:09 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 12:52:11 AM
I think you are being deliberately obtuse ... you are so much more intelligent than that.

Ah well.  Thereby hangs Faith.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:10:35 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:06:26 AM
Unless we know the content of the telephone call I don’t see how that takes us any further forward.

Well that depends... the recipient of the call might be significant on its own.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:11:20 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 04, 2020, 12:54:31 AM
Even I couldn't fix it.

We don't actually have to you know.  No where in The Rules does it say that I have to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:12:59 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:11:20 AM
We don't actually have to you know.  No where in The Rules does it say that I have to.

I fixed it for you with an explanation 😊
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:15:39 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:07:09 AM
Ah well.  Thereby hangs Faith.

Haven’t been around these parts in a while but it seems accusation without explanation is still Brietta’s MO....ah well whatever makes her happy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 01:17:29 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:29:35 AM
Because if he isn’t we have three individuals roaming around PDL with a girl that looks like Madeleine. Surely even you see the ridiculousness of that scenario ?

Actually you've counted it wrong if according to your post ... there was all wandering about and some allegedly seen by different people at different times ... which makes it possible they were one and the same individual.  For example since no-one actually claims to have seen Germanman he could well have been GermanTannerman.

But you know what ... I think the German police seem to have their finger on the pulse of all this and I can only imagine the joy their jailed psychopath is having at the attention while wallowing in the hurt and anguish he is causing much along the lines of the exhibition we have witnessed on this thread tonight.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 01:19:24 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:20:10 PM
The BBC has described this as the biggest breakthrough in the case to date and “really, really significant”.  It actually makes me feel sad and sick as it looks highly likely now that Madeleine really was abducted and murdered by a paedophile.  I was always certain this had been the case but always hoped to be wrong.

Well I suppose it was inevitable, we just had to have a distraction from the coronavirus and the fake press all went for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:19:36 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:10:35 AM
Well that depends... the recipient of the call might be significant on its own.

I think it would be very difficult to prove, as opposed to accuse, from a single phone call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:57:04 AM
In what way obtuse ?

Brietta was paying you a compliment.

Obtuse?  if only I knew how to be.  I don't, but it is certain sure that it is time that I learned.  And then none of us will get anywhere at all.  But it might be a bit of a fun game in the meantime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:22:51 AM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 12:57:46 AM
The article states this German chap was on the telephone for 30 minutes around the time Madeleine McCann went missing.
With whom could he have been in conversation with on the telephone ?

I don't suppose that you could tell us.  No, probably not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 01:27:37 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:38:23 PM
So you don’t believe there is any reason to suspect this convicted child abuser and holiday apartment burglar who was in PdL that night and who got rid of his car the day after Madeleine disappeared?

Actually they don't know if he was in PdL that night, obviously his mobile phone never pinged the telecoms transmitter.

It's the same story as with every other suspect, grasping desperately at ever decreasing straws.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 01:17:29 AM
Actually you've counted it wrong if according to your post ... there was
  • Innocentman
  • Tannerman
  • Smithman
  • Germanman
all wandering about and some allegedly seen by different people at different times ... which makes it possible they were one and the same individual.  For example since no-one actually claims to have seen Germanman he could well have been GermanTannerman.

But you know what ... I think the German police seem to have their finger on the pulse of all this and I can only imagine the joy their jailed psychopath is having at the attention while wallowing in the hurt and anguish he is causing much along the lines of the exhibition we have witnessed on this thread tonight.

I’m sorry but I’ve no idea who innocent man is.

Tannerman was the wrong height, age and hair colour to be Germanman....if the descriptions in the newspapers are correct. Same for Smithman...too small, too dark and too old. Of course Tannerman could, if you didn’t wear your specs, be Smithman but OG have all but eliminated Tannerman.

If the German police do have their finger on the pulse of all this then Madeleine is almost certainly dead...poor child...but that brings with it further problems...a cadaver dog alerted in an apartment of an almost certainly dead child but, by coincidence, it wasn’t to the dead child....doesn’t really stack up, does it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 01:31:12 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 01:19:24 AM
Well I suppose it was inevitable, we just had to have a distraction from the coronavirus and the fake press all went for it.

So, you think it's all poppycock then John, this case will never be solved ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:35:36 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 01:19:24 AM
Well I suppose it was inevitable, we just had to have a distraction from the coronavirus and the fake press all went for it.

“Fake” about what? Coronavirus or that this German paedophile is a suspect in the MM case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:44:32 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:01:42 AM
Fingers crossed we find out!! Police have published the number.

Wow.  Someone Abducts a small child and then spends 30 minutes talking to the other person that helped.  I don't suppose we could know where he was at the time, could we?  And how Madeleine was.  Still asleep was she?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 01:50:03 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:30:44 AM
I’m sorry but I’ve no idea who innocent man is.

Tannerman was the wrong height, age and hair colour to be Germanman....if the descriptions in the newspapers are correct. Same for Smithman...too small, too dark and too old. Of course Tannerman could, if you didn’t wear your specs, be Smithman but OG have all but eliminated Tannerman.

If the German police do have their finger on the pulse of all this then Madeleine is almost certainly dead...poor child...but that brings with it further problems...a cadaver dog alerted in an apartment of an almost certainly dead child but, by coincidence, it wasn’t to the dead child....doesn’t really stack up, does it ?

I am utterly bemused by the fixation there appears to be with the dog barks which even the owner cautioned against in the absence of corroboration. 
If it comforts you to go with it ... fine by me ... but as you pointed out in an earlier post Amaral was as usual the source of a confidential leak which actually shows up his thesis for the amateur rubbish it always was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 01:51:47 AM
It was nice of Operation Grange to tip off Sky News and Martin Brunt so he could take a flight to Portugal at a time when only essential international travel should be undertaken so that he could do a report as Op Grange were going public with their latest suspect.

COVID-19 Exceptional Travel Advisory Notice - The Foreign & Commonwealth Office currently advises British nationals against all but essential international travel.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 01:59:00 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:30:44 AM
I’m sorry but I’ve no idea who innocent man is.

Tannerman was the wrong height, age and hair colour to be Germanman....if the descriptions in the newspapers are correct. Same for Smithman...too small, too dark and too old. Of course Tannerman could, if you didn’t wear your specs, be Smithman but OG have all but eliminated Tannerman.

If the German police do have their finger on the pulse of all this then Madeleine is almost certainly dead...poor child...but that brings with it further problems...a cadaver dog alerted in an apartment of an almost certainly dead child but, by coincidence, it wasn’t to the dead child....doesn’t really stack up, does it ?

Allow me to refresh your memory with a quote from Faithlilly in 2013.

Quote
For me Smithman and Innocentman's clothing are too similar for one to be ruled out on that alone. There is something else that has ruled Innocentman out and IMO it could only have come from Tanner.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2645.msg91650#msg91650
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 02:06:25 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8385667/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-vanished-suddenly-rented-home.html
The suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance is serving a seven-year jail sentence for the rape of 72-year-old American woman, according to reports.

The 43-year-old German criminal was convicted in Braunschweig district court last year for a rape he is said to have committed in Portugal in 2005.

He lived in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007, including for a few years in a house between Lagos and Praia da Luz, according to Braunschweig Zeitung.

Just two years before Maddie's disappearance, the criminal raped an American tourist, the newspaper reported......(article continues, seems he used to deal in cars)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2020, 11:55:09 PM
Madeleine McCann police 'have enough evidence to charge suspect with abduction and murder'
Christian Hoppe, director of Germany's National Crime Agency, said police think they have enough evidence to charge the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance with murdering her

By Jeremy Armstrong & Martin Fricker
21:49, 3 JUN 2020 UPDATED 22:11, 3 JUN 2020

Prosecutors in Germany have already begun building a strong case against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, a drifter with a record of burglary and offences against young girls.

The man, now 43, had been living a “transient” life in a camper van, and working in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

In the documentary Case Files XY Unsolved on German TV tonight, Christian Hoppe, director of the National Crime Agency, said German police believed they had almost enough evidence to charge him with Madeleine’s abduction and murder.

Herr Hoppe said that there may be some people associated with the suspect who were aware of his ­movements on the night Madeleine disappeared, and he appealed to them to come forward and “clear their conscience” now.

Police appealed to anyone in the resort at the time to fill “the final gaps” in the case, releasing photos of the man’s camper van and Jaguar car and details of a phone call he made on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Police had been aware of his ­presence in the resort and had been building up a case against him since parents Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal for information on German TV in October, 2013.

The suspect had faced sexual and drug-dealing charges in Germany before he arrived in Portugal.

He had also been involved in theft and burglary in the country, where he lived from 1995 to 2007, when he returned to Germany.

Police are unclear if the suspected motive was a simple burglary and he had found Madeleine in the flat after he had broken in, or if he went with the intention to abduct her.

Police revealed the man’s Portuguese-registered phone was in the resort the night Madeleine vanished.

He received a half-hour phone call from another Portuguese number an hour before Madeleine was last seen.

His number, +351 912730680, and the caller’s number, +351 916510683, were released. The caller is not a suspect but is a “crucial witness” police now want to trace.

The programme revealed details of properties the suspect used in the area, one an apartment between Praia da Luz and Lagos, the other an empty property around 15km from Lagos.

Viewers were asked to send police any holiday snaps or video which could help their inquiries. In a reconstruction, Kate and Gerry McCann relived the moment they realised Madeleine was gone.

Kate told the programme, a version of Crimewatch, how they had returned from a tapas restaurant to find ­Madeleine’s bed empty.

She said: “It just seemed a very calm and peaceful place when we arrived there. When I went into her bedroom, I could not see her.

“I thought she was in our bedroom but she was not there either. The curtain went ‘pssh’ and I just remember seeing that the window had been opened.”

Gerry said from that moment they knew the “worst thing imaginable” had happened.

Scotland Yard Detective Chief Insp Mark Cranwell said the suspect had lived a “transient lifestyle” living in his camper van for “days on end”.

Police released photos of the man’s 1980s VW camper and Jaguar XJR-6, both were in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The Jaguar was re-registered in Germany to another person the day after Madeleine disappeared.

 The vehicles have since been seized in Germany and checked for forensic clues linking them to Madeleine.

The suspect had rented a ramshackle farm building from a British man two miles from the resort and had made money selling cars.

Former neighbours told Sky News he “disappeared without a word” from the Algarve farmhouse in 2006.

One said: “He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He went back to Germany at one stage and moved another German guy in to look after it, then came back and threw him out on the street.

“He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane. And then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word.

"I think he left some rent unpaid. About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, ­absolutely vile.

“We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing.”

German authorities are treating their investigation as a murder inquiry, while Scotland Yard say it is still a missing person case.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy said: “It’s now 13 years since Madeleine went missing. Today is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation.”

Kate and Gerry welcomed the breakthrough, saying: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We need to find peace.”

Scotland Yard said they were “aware” of the man before getting a tip-off in May 2017, but he had never previously been a suspect.

They worked alone on the tip for four months before agreeing to liaise with German colleagues.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cundy said since then “a huge amount of work” had been done by the Met and German police.

“The outcome of that is that he is a suspect in the Met’s investigation.

"We will not be giving the name or the identity of this man, but I do recognise that some people will know this suspect.

"Somebody called his phone. We don’t know who that caller was.”

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading Operation Grange, issued a description of the suspect.

He said: “He is white, has short blond hair, possibly fair, about six foot in height with a slim build. In 2007 he was 30 and may have looked somewhere between 25 and early 30s.”

Appealing to anyone who personally knows the man, he added: “This individual is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past.

“Now is the time to come forward.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055

Operation Grange would not have gone public with this unless they had hit a brick wall. They have no tangible proof that this German was in any way involved in Madeleine's disappearance, their so-called evidence consists merely of coincidences.

They are hoping someone reads this story and chooses to come forward with incriminating information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 02:11:11 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:44:32 AM
Wow.  Someone Abducts a small child and then spends 30 minutes talking to the other person that helped.  I don't suppose we could know where he was at the time, could we?  And how Madeleine was.  Still asleep was she?

Not sure what you’re implying here. According to your narrative MM was alive at 7:30pm. We don’t know the significance of the call but I believe the German authorities are right to try to trace the recipient.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 02:11:34 AM
Quote from: misty on June 04, 2020, 02:06:25 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8385667/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-vanished-suddenly-rented-home.html
The suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance is serving a seven-year jail sentence for the rape of 72-year-old American woman, according to reports.

The 43-year-old German criminal was convicted in Braunschweig district court last year for a rape he is said to have committed in Portugal in 2005.

He lived in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007, including for a few years in a house between Lagos and Praia da Luz, according to Braunschweig Zeitung.

Just two years before Maddie's disappearance, the criminal raped an American tourist, the newspaper reported......(article continues, seems he used to deal in cars)

Doesn't sound much like a paedophile if he targeted older women.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 02:16:57 AM
interesting article, that claims his residence was alongside the route the Mccanns would have used from their hotel to the beach.
And sheds more light on the Jaguar, apparently he was a second hand car dealer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 02:23:37 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 02:11:34 AM
Doesn't sound much like a paedophile.

Further details here - you can download the English pdf to read. He had several previous sexual convictions.
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#detailinformationen132470

He had to be extradited from Italy before he was convicted in Braunschweig last year. The case against him was based on DNA results which were only verified at the end of 2018.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal-Mann-vor-Gericht,aktuellbraunschweig3482.html&prev=search

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 02:25:42 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 02:09:40 AM
Operation Grange would not have gone public with this unless they had hit a brick wall. They have no tangible proof that this German was in any way involved in Madeleine's disappearance, their so-called evidence consists merely of coincidences.

They are hoping someone reads this story and chooses to come forward with incriminating information.

Sadly I think that you are right.  But I can't be dealing with this at the moment.  And most of it probably isn't true anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 02:42:24 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 02:25:42 AM
Sadly I think that you are right.  But I can't be dealing with this at the moment.  And most of it probably isn't true anyway.

Operation Grange previously took great pains to inform us all that they would not be giving a running commentary on this case but now they arrange for details relating to this latest scapegoat alleged suspect to be plastered all over the news channels. IMO this is the end for Grange.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 02:48:19 AM
Christopher Davis

https://twnews.co.uk/uk-news/is-this-the-final-twist-of-the-madeleine-mccann-mystery-i-ve-investigated-for-13-years

During my 40 years as a reporter I have covered countless epoch-defining events.  Yet the question that most people ask me is invariably the same: ‘What really happened to Madeleine McCann?’


 
For 13 of those years I have striven vainly, like many others — Portuguese and British policemen, privately hired detectives, investigative journalists — to provide the answer.

The trail has taken me from Praia da Luz — that far-flung Algarve holiday resort whose name will be forever associated with the most disquieting and astonishing child abduction case in history — all across Europe, and even to North Africa.

It has led me, sometimes literally, down countless blind alleys, and thrown up more red-herrings than a capsized trawler.

But perhaps significantly, given last night’s dramatic Scotland Yard briefing, one of the myriad oddballs whose name came up repeatedly during my inquiries lived in a battered camper-van, and had a young German girlfriend with whom he shambled around southern Portugal.


So UK press know who this man is....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 02:55:18 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 02:11:11 AM
Not sure what you’re implying here. According to your narrative MM was alive at 7:30pm. We don’t know the significance of the call but I believe the German authorities are right to try to trace the recipient.

What narrative?  I have never said any such thing.  Although Madeleine almost certainly was.  But don't you be putting words into my mouth, unless you can prove it, of course.

However, there will be No discussion of Paedophillia because I won't have it.  Hopefully you weren't going there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:01:04 AM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 02:16:57 AM
interesting article, that claims his residence was alongside the route the Mccanns would have used from their hotel to the beach.
And sheds more light on the Jaguar, apparently he was a second hand car dealer.

What Jaguar?  Surely not the Jaguar that was owned by Goncalo Amaral?  Oh My. this is getting really interesting  now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:14:35 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 02:42:24 AM
Operation Grange previously took great pains to inform us all that they would not be giving a running commentary on this case but now they arrange for details relating to this latest scapegoat alleged suspect to be plastered all over the news channels. IMO this is the end for Grange.

Well there you go, Love.  You can all get back to the aberration of The Bamber Forum.  I am not having anything to do with that.

I wouldn't Moderate that Forum if you paid me.

I will stick with what little there still is for Madeleine .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:40:35 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 02:09:40 AM
Operation Grange would not have gone public with this unless they had hit a brick wall. They have no tangible proof that this German was in any way involved in Madeleine's disappearance, their so-called evidence consists merely of coincidences.

They are hoping someone reads this story and chooses to come forward with incriminating information.

You are almost certainly right.  But I am now a bit beyond the pale.  I am only certain that The McCanns had nothing to with the disappearance of their daughter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:46:42 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:01:42 AM
Fingers crossed we find out!! Police have published the number.

What Number?  The man is in prison.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 05:25:36 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:01:04 AM
What Jaguar?  Surely not the Jaguar that was owned by Goncalo Amaral?  Oh My. this is getting really interesting  now.
Can you not read?!!!  German and/or British forensics will no doubt have been through both the Jaguar and VW Campervan with fine tooth combs and electrophoresis gel in the search for Madeleine McCann's DNA... and possibly found it, but just keeping the results up their sleeve at the mo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384769/Major-breakthrough-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-police-identify-German-suspect.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384769/Major-breakthrough-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-police-identify-German-suspect.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:12:27 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 02:09:40 AM
Operation Grange would not have gone public with this unless they had hit a brick wall. They have no tangible proof that this German was in any way involved in Madeleine's disappearance, their so-called evidence consists merely of coincidences.

They are hoping someone reads this story and chooses to come forward with incriminating information.
Indeed End of the line,if it's a false lead then what? the supporters already have him guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:16:52 AM
Not forgetting this from earlier in the year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-quiz-british-21556263
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:21:00 AM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 12:57:46 AM
The article states this German chap was on the telephone for 30 minutes around the time Madeleine McCann went missing.
With whom could he have been in conversation with on the telephone ?
Well it wasn’t the McCanns as some here seem to be suggesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:24:41 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 02:11:34 AM
Doesn't sound much like a paedophile if he targeted older women.
What about the convictions for offences against children, aren’t they relevant?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:26:40 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 04, 2020, 05:25:36 AM
Can you not read?!!!  German and/or British forensics will no doubt have been through both the Jaguar and VW Campervan with fine tooth combs and electrophoresis gel in the search for Madeleine McCann's DNA... and possibly found it, but just keeping the results up their sleeve at the mo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384769/Major-breakthrough-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-police-identify-German-suspect.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384769/Major-breakthrough-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-police-identify-German-suspect.html)
I thought this too. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 07:27:51 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:12:27 AM
Indeed End of the line,if it's a false lead then what? the supporters already have him guilty.

I haven't seen one supporter refer to him as guiltily.. Yet several sceptics refer to him as a scapegoat/innocent
We need to wait and see what evidence they have
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:30:19 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 02:42:24 AM
Operation Grange previously took great pains to inform us all that they would not be giving a running commentary on this case but now they arrange for details relating to this latest scapegoat alleged suspect to be plastered all over the news channels. IMO this is the end for Grange.
So you don’t think the police should be making a public appeal for more information about a known paedophile who was known to have been in PdL the night Madeleine disappeared and who went to some lengths to change the ownership details of his car the very next day?   What makes you say he’s a scapegoat?  Have you got another suspect in mind?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 07:51:03 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:12:27 AM
Indeed End of the line,if it's a false lead then what? the supporters already have him guilty.
Please don't be sillier about this than is absolutely necessary.  It is the German police who will have the responsibility of inditing him if there is enough evidence to charge him.  If he is charged he will go through due process in the German Courts.
That hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 08:02:11 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 02:42:24 AM
Operation Grange previously took great pains to inform us all that they would not be giving a running commentary on this case but now they arrange for details relating to this latest scapegoat alleged suspect to be plastered all over the news channels. IMO this is the end for Grange.

This may well be the end game for Grange and if it is this wouldnt be a running commentary...it would be the result so in that respect would Grange...who have said little all along make such a statement now...with the support of the german police...if they were not fairly sure.
  This will come as an unpleasant shock for those who have spent the past years convinced the McCanns were guilty...convinced SY were useless and convinced amaral was right. If this man is found guilty what will it say for amaral....for the portuguese courts...for the portuguese press...for the portuguese police who gave up when they couldnt pin the crime on the Mccanns...humiliation for all of them and all ..including poster here ...who have supported them.

amaral may well have been kept in the loop and knew what was coming which would explain his silence...his failure to write another book and his failure to carry out his threat to sue the McCanns...it all fits
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:16:52 AM
Not forgetting this from earlier in the year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-quiz-british-21556263
yes, but the age is 51 vs. 43.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:07:13 AM
Do you know what I reckon?  I reckon Boris ordered The Met to make up this story to deflect from the Coronavirus crisis.  There I said it before anyone else had to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:09:44 AM
For those who can’t grasp the idea of there having been more than one child being carried through the streets of PdL at various times that night by innocent fathers, consider how many children were at the night creche that night, and how they might have been transported home by their parents.  I seem to recall one or two dozen, but I’m sure someone will know the exact figure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 08:02:11 AM
This may well be the end game for Grange and if it is this wouldnt be a running commentary...it would be the result so in that respect would Grange...who have said little all along make such a statement now...with the support of the german police...if they were not fairly sure.
  This will come as an unpleasant shock for those who have spent the past years convinced the McCanns were guilty...convinced SY were useless and convinced amaral was right. If this man is found guilty what will it say for amaral....for the portuguese courts...for the portuguese press...for the portuguese police who gave up when they couldnt pin the crime on the Mccanns...humiliation for all of them and all ..including poster here ...who have supported them.

amaral may well have been kept in the loop and knew what was coming which would explain his silence...his failure to write another book and his failure to carry out his threat to sue the McCanns...it all fits

Sometimes he worked as a waiter.

He was a burglar.

He was an itinerant with easy access to vehicles and property in or near Pria da Luz ... where he was on the night Madeleine vanished.

What a profile!

Yet it appears that Amaral didn't manage to pick up on any of that and check it out at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:28:45 AM
More interesting details here

Madeleine McCann: Thirteen years of false hope
Fiona HamiltonJune 04 2020, 12.01am
Even when DNA tests were carried out on a girl’s body found in a suitcase in Adelaide, Australia, they constantly kept the search alive for their daughter. The Portuguese investigation, which was closed in 2008 and reviewed by Scotland Yard in 2011, ran to 30,000 pages of files. There have been nearly 9,000 potential sightings across 101 countries.

These include a “sad-looking” girl standing at a petrol station in Marrakesh days after the disappearance, a young girl with a French or Belgian couple holidaying in India, and a possible sighting in Queenstown, New Zealand, of the girl with the same coloboma of the iris as Madeleine. In February 2008 a parish councillor in Dorset said that Madeleine was brought to his home by a Portuguese couple looking to buy garden furniture.

Most of the sightings have been examined and dismissed by detectives in Operation Grange, the Met’s inquiry into the disappearance. Sparked by then David Cameron’s request in 2011 that police review the case, it has since cost nearly £12 million.

In 2013 the Met said that it had “genuinely new” lines of inquiry and had identified 38 people of interest, including 12 Britons. A Crimewatch appeal that year, in which two e-fit images of a man described as having “vital importance” were released, resulted in more than 1,000 responses. The white man, aged between 20 and 40, was seen walking towards the sea carrying a child of a similar age to Madeleine on the night she vanished in Praia da Luz.

In January 2014 British police were reported to be investigating three burglars in the area when Madeleine disappeared. Detectives had previously highlighted sightings of men who said they were collecting money for a bogus orphanage on the day. Two months later, in March 2014, police sought a lone intruder who had sexually assaulted five girls aged between the ages of seven and ten in the Algarve between 2004 and 2006. Sites were excavated in Praia da Luz that year after a request by the Met, but nothing was found.

In 2017 Mark Rowley, the assistant commissioner in charge of the inquiry, said that police had a “significant line of inquiry” but would not elaborate further. He added that a burglar who panicked or a sexual attacker were among the theories being explored.

Last year, on the 12th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, the Portguese tabloid Correio da Manha revealed there was a new suspect flagged by Scotland Yard. A former Portuguese police chief ruled out Martin Ney, a German paedophile jailed for life in 2012 for the abduction of three children, after speculation in the British tabloids.

In a statement yesterday the McCanns said: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive but whatever the outcome may be, we need to know, as we need to find peace.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:29:51 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 08:28:23 AM
Sometimes he worked as a waiter.

He was a burglar.

He was an itinerant with easy access to vehicles and property in or near Pria da Luz ... where he was on the night Madeleine vanished.

What a profile!

Yet it appears that Amaral didn't manage to pick up on any of that and check it out at the time.
According to Amaral the PT police ruled him out in 2008.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:33:59 AM
The German police are releasing more details today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:29:51 AM
According to Amaral the PT police ruled him out in 2008.

He had been sacked from the case before that just after Madeleine's parents were made arguidos so I doubt if his investigation had picked up on him and Amaral certainly was ruled by his own mindset.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 07:51:03 AM
Please don't be sillier about this than is absolutely necessary.  It is the German police who will have the responsibility of inditing him if there is enough evidence to charge him.  If he is charged he will go through due process in the German Courts.
That hasn't happened yet.
What jurisdiction will a German court have over a crime committed in Portugal ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:07:16 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 08:28:23 AM
Sometimes he worked as a waiter.

He was a burglar.

He was an itinerant with easy access to vehicles and property in or near Pria da Luz ... where he was on the night Madeleine vanished.

What a profile!

Yet it appears that Amaral didn't manage to pick up on any of that and check it out at the time.
That's it then nailed on cert.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 09:17:09 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
What jurisdiction will a German court have over a crime committed in Portugal ?

It does seem strange but according to the report he was tried and convicted in Germany re the rape of a woman in portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 09:18:29 AM
Was the victim German that would make sense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 04, 2020, 09:18:47 AM
He may be the one who took Madeleine from her bed,  he was a burglar so knew how to get into the apartments.  I think IMO he passed her on to an accomplice [Smithman]  who was taking her to German mans  camper van.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 09:22:19 AM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 09:18:29 AM
Was the victim German that would make sense

According to the report no... American. I think that for serious crimes abroad the fact that he is German means he can be tried in Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 09:25:41 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 08:28:23 AM
Sometimes he worked as a waiter.

He was a burglar.

He was an itinerant with easy access to vehicles and property in or near Pria da Luz ... where he was on the night Madeleine vanished.

What a profile!

Yet it appears that Amaral didn't manage to pick up on any of that and check it out at the time.

When I was interviewed by the BBC in 2017 I said: "What OG has to do to solve the case, is to locate the burglar(s) that was(were) active, close in space and time to Madeleine's abduction." But that part did not appeared in the TV programme.

Anyway, making an appeal is very dangerous. I think new witnesses testimonies can not be taken as proof. They have to get more solid evidence like photos and the like. Even OG is not totally sure if the phone number they published was of the 43 yo german.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 09:33:21 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:44:32 AM
Wow.  Someone Abducts a small child and then spends 30 minutes talking to the other person that helped.  I don't suppose we could know where he was at the time, could we?  And how Madeleine was.  Still asleep was she?

Someone phoned HIM for over half an hour (call ending 20:02) and the call placed him in PdL.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 09:37:58 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:30:19 AM
... and who went to some lengths to change the ownership details of his car the very next day?

Not sure he changed the ownership the next day. That was said by the media, not by the German police:

"The last know registration after the day of the offence was a city of Augsburg registration."



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 01:51:47 AM
It was nice of Operation Grange to tip off Sky News and Martin Brunt so he could take a flight to Portugal at a time when only essential international travel should be undertaken so that he could do a report as Op Grange were going public with their latest suspect.

COVID-19 Exceptional Travel Advisory Notice - The Foreign & Commonwealth Office currently advises British nationals against all but essential international travel.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/portugal

Was he reporting from PdL?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:16:28 AM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 09:18:29 AM
Was the victim German that would make sense

American
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 02:11:34 AM
Doesn't sound much like a paedophile if he targeted older women.

He'd already been convicted for child sexual offences (and drug trafficking). Some people aren't that fussy.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.braunschweiger-zeitung.de%2Fmitreden%2Fantworten%2Farticle229249670%2FFall-Maddie-McCann-Neue-Spur-fuehrt-nach-Braunschweig.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 10:19:43 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 02:11:11 AM
Not sure what you’re implying here. According to your narrative MM was alive at 7:30pm. We don’t know the significance of the call but I believe the German authorities are right to try to trace the recipient.

The recipient is the suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 09:33:21 AM
Someone phoned HIM for over half an hour (call ending 20:02) and the call placed him in PdL.

Half an hour is a long time to chat on a mobile to someone who knows how to enter properties.  In my opinion it might be an indication that Madeleine was targeted for someone else and the reason why SY hold on to the hope she may still be alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:28:51 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2020, 11:55:09 PM
Madeleine McCann police 'have enough evidence to charge suspect with abduction and murder'
Christian Hoppe, director of Germany's National Crime Agency, said police think they have enough evidence to charge the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance with murdering her

By Jeremy Armstrong & Martin Fricker
21:49, 3 JUN 2020 UPDATED 22:11, 3 JUN 2020

Prosecutors in Germany have already begun building a strong case against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, a drifter with a record of burglary and offences against young girls.

The man, now 43, had been living a “transient” life in a camper van, and working in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

In the documentary Case Files XY Unsolved on German TV tonight, Christian Hoppe, director of the National Crime Agency, said German police believed they had almost enough evidence to charge him with Madeleine’s abduction and murder.

Herr Hoppe said that there may be some people associated with the suspect who were aware of his ­movements on the night Madeleine disappeared, and he appealed to them to come forward and “clear their conscience” now.

Police appealed to anyone in the resort at the time to fill “the final gaps” in the case, releasing photos of the man’s camper van and Jaguar car and details of a phone call he made on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Police had been aware of his ­presence in the resort and had been building up a case against him since parents Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal for information on German TV in October, 2013.

The suspect had faced sexual and drug-dealing charges in Germany before he arrived in Portugal.

He had also been involved in theft and burglary in the country, where he lived from 1995 to 2007, when he returned to Germany.

Police are unclear if the suspected motive was a simple burglary and he had found Madeleine in the flat after he had broken in, or if he went with the intention to abduct her.

Police revealed the man’s Portuguese-registered phone was in the resort the night Madeleine vanished.

He received a half-hour phone call from another Portuguese number an hour before Madeleine was last seen.

His number, +351 912730680, and the caller’s number, +351 916510683, were released. The caller is not a suspect but is a “crucial witness” police now want to trace.

The programme revealed details of properties the suspect used in the area, one an apartment between Praia da Luz and Lagos, the other an empty property around 15km from Lagos.

Viewers were asked to send police any holiday snaps or video which could help their inquiries. In a reconstruction, Kate and Gerry McCann relived the moment they realised Madeleine was gone.

Kate told the programme, a version of Crimewatch, how they had returned from a tapas restaurant to find ­Madeleine’s bed empty.

She said: “It just seemed a very calm and peaceful place when we arrived there. When I went into her bedroom, I could not see her.

“I thought she was in our bedroom but she was not there either. The curtain went ‘pssh’ and I just remember seeing that the window had been opened.”

Gerry said from that moment they knew the “worst thing imaginable” had happened.

Scotland Yard Detective Chief Insp Mark Cranwell said the suspect had lived a “transient lifestyle” living in his camper van for “days on end”.

Police released photos of the man’s 1980s VW camper and Jaguar XJR-6, both were in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The Jaguar was re-registered in Germany to another person the day after Madeleine disappeared.

 The vehicles have since been seized in Germany and checked for forensic clues linking them to Madeleine.

The suspect had rented a ramshackle farm building from a British man two miles from the resort and had made money selling cars.

Former neighbours told Sky News he “disappeared without a word” from the Algarve farmhouse in 2006.

One said: “He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He went back to Germany at one stage and moved another German guy in to look after it, then came back and threw him out on the street.

“He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane. And then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word.

"I think he left some rent unpaid. About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, ­absolutely vile.

“We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing.”

German authorities are treating their investigation as a murder inquiry, while Scotland Yard say it is still a missing person case.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy said: “It’s now 13 years since Madeleine went missing. Today is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation.”

Kate and Gerry welcomed the breakthrough, saying: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We need to find peace.”

Scotland Yard said they were “aware” of the man before getting a tip-off in May 2017, but he had never previously been a suspect.

They worked alone on the tip for four months before agreeing to liaise with German colleagues.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cundy said since then “a huge amount of work” had been done by the Met and German police.

“The outcome of that is that he is a suspect in the Met’s investigation.

"We will not be giving the name or the identity of this man, but I do recognise that some people will know this suspect.

"Somebody called his phone. We don’t know who that caller was.”

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading Operation Grange, issued a description of the suspect.

He said: “He is white, has short blond hair, possibly fair, about six foot in height with a slim build. In 2007 he was 30 and may have looked somewhere between 25 and early 30s.”

Appealing to anyone who personally knows the man, he added: “This individual is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past.

“Now is the time to come forward.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055






So why didnt they wait till they have charged him - why are they appealing for witnesses now from 13 years ago.

Was the place where he lived searched - the grounds ect.

If this is not a scapegoat - searching the land where he lived... you would expect to have been already done.

As the obvious place where Maddie could be

But bet it hasn't - have they got the next month 6 month funding yet.


This was predicted several months ago by GA - dont hold your breath it is going to be him. imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
Half an hour is a long time to chat on a mobile to someone who knows how to enter properties.  In my opinion it might be an indication that Madeleine was targeted for someone else and the reason why SY hold on to the hope she may still be alive.


Or it could have been a chat line - judging by his character it would be obvious what sort of chatline it would be.

could be nothing to do with Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:28:51 AM





So why didnt they wait till they have charged him - why are they appealing for witnesses now from 13 years ago.

Was the place where he lived searched - the grounds ect.

If this is not a scapegoat - searching the land where he lived... you would expect to have been already done.

As the obvious place where Maddie could be

But bet it hasn't - have they got the next month 6 month funding yet.


This was predicted several months ago by GA - dont hold your breath it is going to be him. imo
It wasn't predicted by amaral....more like leaked that they were on this suspects trail. Hopefully SY have solved it where amaral and the PJ failed...we wil soon see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:33:34 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 10:19:43 AM
The recipient is the suspect.

It is the sender ... who is not a suspect ... who they are interested in tracing.  I am more than a little curious about who that is too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:33:00 AM

Or it could have been a chat line - judging by his character it would be obvious what sort of chatline it would be

if you read the article it was an incoming call so not a chatline
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: mrswah on June 04, 2020, 10:35:03 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:14:35 AM
Well there you go, Love.  You can all get back to the aberration of The Bamber Forum.  I am not having anything to do with that.

I wouldn't Moderate that Forum if you paid me.

I will stick with what little there still is for Madeleine .


And I've been wondering why the Bamber forum is quieter than usual!  I only heard about the new development in the Madeleine case this morning.

Well, I believe the media less and less these days, but I hope the police are getting somewhere with this case.  Like most people, I have always hoped Madeleine would be found alive, but never really believed she would be. IF this man turns out to be the "perp", at least the McCann family would have answers, and hopefully, people would stop blaming them for their child's disappearance. The police deserve to have this case solved too---IMO, they have worked very hard.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
Quote from: misty on June 04, 2020, 02:23:37 AM
Further details here - you can download the English pdf to read. He had several previous sexual convictions.
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#detailinformationen132470

He had to be extradited from Italy before he was convicted in Braunschweig last year. The case against him was based on DNA results which were only verified at the end of 2018.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal-Mann-vor-Gericht,aktuellbraunschweig3482.html&prev=search

Good find, Misty.

Was the extradition from Italy from a different source? I didn't find it in the links.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:38:58 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 10:33:25 AM
It wasn't predicted by amaral....more like leaked that they were on this suspects trail. Hopefully SY have solved it where amaral and the PJ failed...we wil soon see.


Well they are taking there time.


Police said the suspect was one of 600 people that detectives on the inquiry, known as Operation Grange, originally looked at, though he had not been a suspect.

After an appeal in 2017, "significant" fresh information about him was provided.

Since then, Met detectives have carried out "extensive inquiries" in Portugal and Germany in order to gather more details about him.

Scotland Yard said they were trying to "prove or disprove" his involvement in the case and retained an "open mind".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:38:58 AM

Well they are taking there time.


Police said the suspect was one of 600 people that detectives on the inquiry, known as Operation Grange, originally looked at, though he had not been a suspect.

After an appeal in 2017, "significant" fresh information about him was provided.

Since then, Met detectives have carried out "extensive inquiries" in Portugal and Germany in order to gather more details about him.

Scotland Yard said they were trying to "prove or disprove" his involvement in the case and retained an "open mind".

I realise thsi news must be very upsetting for you, it could also prove amaral wrong....we need to just wait and see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:28:51 AM





So why didnt they wait till they have charged him - why are they appealing for witnesses now from 13 years ago.

Was the place where he lived searched - the grounds ect.

If this is not a scapegoat - searching the land where he lived... you would expect to have been already done.

As the obvious place where Maddie could be

But bet it hasn't - have they got the next month 6 month funding yet.


This was predicted several months ago by GA - dont hold your breath it is going to be him. imo

We are talking the GERMAN police here.
In case you missed it ... the investigation involves German - Portuguese and English cops and the German suspect in the German prison has quite a record which includes burglary.

Amaral made an idiot of himself when he immediately ruled out illicit entry to the McCann apartment and tried his level best to make liars of Madeleine's parents as a result.
The pigeons have come home to roost on that one ... but you know that already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:47:57 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
I realise thsi news must be very upsetting for you, it could also prove amaral wrong....we need to just wait and see.

What a silly childish reply - why should it be upsetting for me.

What is upsetting if true is what would have been done to her.

All because she did not get the protection she deserved and how obvious the leaving of the children was to others.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
Good find, Misty.

Was the extradition from Italy from a different source? I didn't find it in the links.

Details of extradition at this link, Carana.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article227939701/Sieben-Jahre-Haft-wegen-brutaler-Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal.html&prev=search
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:54:13 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:44:59 AM
We are talking the GERMAN police here.
In case you missed it ... the investigation involves German - Portuguese and English cops and the German suspect in the German prison has quite a record which includes burglary.

Amaral made an idiot of himself when he immediately ruled out illicit entry to the McCann apartment and tried his level best to make liars of Madeleine's parents as a result.
The pigeons have come home to roost on that one ... but you know that already.

Know what then.

Apart from you being judge and jury - bear in mind B it's over when the fat lady sings.

This could all go the same way as the other suspects have IMO -  we have been here before so has the pigeons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:47:57 AM
What a silly childish reply - why should it be upsetting for me.

What is upsetting if true is what would have been done to her.

All because she did not get the protection she deserved and how obvious the leaving of the children was to others.

i totally agree she shouldnt have been left. the point i'm making it must be very upsetting for you that if this is true then you have been wrong all along
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 10:57:09 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 01:59:00 AM
Allow me to refresh your memory with a quote from Faithlilly in 2013.

Quote
For me Smithman and Innocentman's clothing are too similar for one to be ruled out on that alone. There is something else that has ruled Innocentman out and IMO it could only have come from Tanner.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2645.msg91650#msg91650

7 YEARS AGO ! No wonder I didn’t remember it.

From reading back it would appear Innocentman ( coined by Icabod I think ) was Tannerman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:57:44 AM
Quote from: mrswah on June 04, 2020, 10:35:03 AM

And I've been wondering why the Bamber forum is quieter than usual!  I only heard about the new development in the Madeleine case this morning.

Well, I believe the media less and less these days, but I hope the police are getting somewhere with this case.  Like most people, I have always hoped Madeleine would be found alive, but never really believed she would be. IF this man turns out to be the "perp", at least the McCann family would have answers, and hopefully, people would stop blaming them for their child's disappearance. The police deserve to have this case solved too---IMO, they have worked very hard.

There are those who will never give up on the 'campaign' both personal and organised against the McCann family.


There is no guarantee that Kate and Gerry will get closure even if evidence is found which is strong enough to enable this man to be charged ~ brought to trial ~ and convicted.
Only two things can happen here which would allow that.  The first is that Madeleine is found and the second is that Madeleine's remains are found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:04:31 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:33:34 AM
It is the sender ... who is not a suspect ... who they are interested in tracing.  I am more than a little curious about who that is too.

The police appear to be interested in both, but especially the caller, yes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 11:06:02 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html

"Did horrific sex abuse videos snare new Madeleine McCann suspect? Friends reported German paedophile called 'Christian G' to police after finding clips of attacks on two women on his phone"

cont........

I wonder if he's the same guy who spent a few nights at Malinka's house?
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm#p13p3439
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:14:35 AM
Well there you go, Love.  You can all get back to the aberration of The Bamber Forum.  I am not having anything to do with that.

I wouldn't Moderate that Forum if you paid me

I will stick with what little there still is for Madeleine .

Here In the real world, I don’t think there is much chance of you being paid for your moderation.

But I heartily agree with your assessment of the Bamber forum.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:38:58 AM

Well they are taking there time.


Police said the suspect was one of 600 people that detectives on the inquiry, known as Operation Grange, originally looked at, though he had not been a suspect.

After an appeal in 2017, "significant" fresh information about him was provided.

Since then, Met detectives have carried out "extensive inquiries" in Portugal and Germany in order to gather more details about him.

Scotland Yard said they were trying to "prove or disprove" his involvement in the case and retained an "open mind".

According to an article I read last night (will add link, and it may not be accurate anyway), there had been a tip-off about him back in 2013 after an appeal on the same German "Crimewatcher"-style programme back then, but there wasn't enough to make a charge.

I wonder if that was what the dig was about back in whenever (2014?) ?

Then, in 2017, another tip-off flagged the same person, with what I gathered was further information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:04:31 AM
The police appear to be interested in both, but especially the caller, yes.
Met police "believe" the phone number was of the german guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:40:35 AM
You are almost certainly right.  But I am now a bit beyond the pale.  I am only certain that The McCanns had nothing to with the disappearance of their daughter.

They were responsible for her and had a duty of care. They failed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:29:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 07:27:51 AM
I haven't seen one supporter refer to him as guiltily.. Yet several sceptics refer to him as a scapegoat/innocent
We need to wait and see what evidence they have

They don't have any evidence obviously otherwise they wouldn't be asking for informants.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:30:46 AM
Quote from: misty on June 04, 2020, 10:52:08 AM
Details of extradition at this link, Carana.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article227939701/Sieben-Jahre-Haft-wegen-brutaler-Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal.html&prev=search


Ah! Many thanks, Misty.  8@??)(

So a huge legal mess over jurisdiction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:07:13 AM
Do you know what I reckon?  I reckon Boris ordered The Met to make up this story to deflect from the Coronavirus crisis.  There I said it before anyone else had to.

Has Clarence's paws all over it. 😂
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 11:36:16 AM
The suspect has been named as Christian Brueckner by German newspaper Der Spiegel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:36:22 AM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 09:18:29 AM
Was the victim German that would make sense

The only jurisdiction the Germans have is that the alleged suspect is apparently a German national.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
Was he reporting from PdL?

Yes
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:36:22 AM
The only jurisdiction the Germans have is that the alleged suspect is apparently a German national.

The crime for which  he is currently serving a sentence in Germany was apparently committed in Portugal.
So the Germans have had jurisdiction for that crime?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:29:06 AM
They don't have any evidence obviously otherwise they wouldn't be asking for informants.

Perhaps his fingerprints match the unknown ones in the apartment?
We do not know that they don't have any evidence!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:36:22 AM
The only jurisdiction the Germans have is that the alleged suspect is apparently a German national.
It seems that's all they need... He's already been prosecuted and jailed for another crime committed in Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:44:59 AM
We are talking the GERMAN police here.
In case you missed it ... the investigation involves German - Portuguese and English cops and the German suspect in the German prison has quite a record which includes burglary.

Amaral made an idiot of himself when he immediately ruled out illicit entry to the McCann apartment and tried his level best to make liars of Madeleine's parents as a result.
The pigeons have come home to roost on that one ... but you know that already.

Maybe this chappie run her over in his campervan or jaguar car and carried her off.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
Here In the real world, I don’t think there is much chance of you being paid for your moderation.

But I heartily agree with your assessment of the Bamber forum.



I find that - whichever side or none that anyone may be on -  Eleanor has been a rock.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 11:43:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:38:25 AM
Yes

I don't see that... Cite
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
They were responsible for her and had a duty of care. They failed.

As the parents of all abducted/murdered children have failed in their duty of care, in your opinion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:30:46 AM

Ah! Many thanks, Misty.  8@??)(

So a huge legal mess over jurisdiction.

Possibly the Statute of Limitations for rape crimes in Portugal meant that a conviction could not be secured there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
Maybe this chappie run her over in his campervan or jaguar car and carried her off.

Looks like all your theories could be going up in smoke
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:45:27 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:38:25 AM
Yes

He appeared to be reporting from a private home on Sky this morning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 11:46:16 AM
I understand there will be a German press conference with more details at noon today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:40:04 AM
The crime for which  he is currently serving a sentence in Germany was apparently committed in Portugal.
So the Germans have had jurisdiction for that crime?

See Misty's link a page or so ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
They were responsible for her and had a duty of care. They failed.

Looks like ameral  did too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 11:43:48 AM
I don't see that... Cite

I saw the Sky News report yesterday and he wasn't reporting from his front room.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:44:12 AM
As the parents of all abducted/murdered children have failed in their duty of care, in your opinion?

Certainly not, only those stupid parents who go off wining and dining while leaving their kids alone in unsecured holiday accommodation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:52:46 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:45:27 AM
He appeared to be reporting from a private home on Sky this morning.

He's back obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:42:15 AM
Perhaps his fingerprints match the unknown ones in the apartment?
We do not know that they don't have any evidence!

Not sure about fingerprints - as several were described as smudged or otherwise unexploitable.

There are, however, numerous mtDNA samples which didn't correspond to any person* known to the investigation at the time.

*MtDNA doesn't identify an individual, just a general grouping. If the mtDNA of an individual belongs to a different group, then it excludes the individual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: misty on June 04, 2020, 11:46:16 AM
I understand there will be a German press conference with more details at noon today.

Thanks for that Misty
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Certainly not, only those stupid parents who go off wining and dining while leaving their kids alone in unsecured holiday accommodation.

There is always room for criticism for the actions of parents whose child is abducted or murdered.
Such parents have had many dreadful comments about their failings from the holier than thou brigade.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 11:58:31 AM
Wasn’t DJ Shifty’s name also Christian?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:54:04 AM
Not sure about fingerprints - as several were described as smudged or otherwise unexploitable.

There are, however, numerous mtDNA samples which didn't correspond to any person* known to the investigation at the time.

*MtDNA doesn't identify an individual, just a general grouping. If the mtDNA of an individual belongs to a different group, then it excludes the individual.

Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 12:01:59 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:58:23 AM
There is always room for criticism for the actions of parents whose child is abducted or murdered.
Such parents have had many dreadful comments about their failings from the holier than thou brigade.

It doesn't matter what you say, the McCanns failed Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 11:58:31 AM
Wasn’t DJ Shifty’s name also Christian?

He's English, not German & wasn't in Luz May 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Certainly not, only those stupid parents who go off wining and dining while leaving their kids alone in unsecured holiday accommodation.

Who is to blame for the torture and rape of the 72 year old American woman.

Me ... I would lay it squarely where it belongs ... with the home invader who committed the crime of burglarising her home and committing other crimes as a result.

The fault lies with the criminal ... not with the victim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 12:06:00 PM
Quote from: misty on June 04, 2020, 11:46:16 AM
I understand there will be a German press conference with more details at noon today.
Live here... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_five_live (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_five_live)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 12:10:00 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-named-christian-brueckner-12803974/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 12:01:59 PM
It doesn't matter what you say, the McCanns failed Maddie.

I'm sure they are aware of that.
I would imagine that the same thought does torture them and the parents of all abducted/murdered children.
However it should never detract from the abhorrent crimes against the children by the evil perpetrator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 12:10:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 10:34:28 AM
if you read the article it was an incoming call so not a chatline

Wrong


In addition, he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question . On May 3, 2007, a telephone call was made to an unknown person in the Praia da Luz area on May 3, 2007. The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: misty on June 04, 2020, 11:06:02 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html

"Did horrific sex abuse videos snare new Madeleine McCann suspect? Friends reported German paedophile called 'Christian G' to police after finding clips of attacks on two women on his phone"

cont........

I wonder if he's the same guy who spent a few nights at Malinka's house?
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm#p13p3439

Nothing of relevant interest was found on Malinka's computers (his own?), but what happened to those belonging to those of his clients? Were they ever checked? If so, were any reports whisked into the non-accessible paedo-connection files?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 12:27:57 PM
Update on Mail article

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html?ito=push-notification&ci=17397&si=7866482
*snipped*
Portuguese police face serious questions as it is revealed that the man who may have taken Maddie spent 12 years in Portugal before her disappearance committing serious sexual and drugs crimes without ever being arrested;
German police were told about his bar chat about Maddie with a friend in 2017 - but three years on have finally confirmed he is a suspect;
His VW campervan and Jaguar have been located by police who believe one or both were  - but a lack of DNA evidence means a 10,000 euro reward has been put up for any information that leads to his conviction.
Portuguese detective says 'Christian B' was dismissed as a suspect in 2008 - but a discussion 'years later' on an online forum about Maddie and her abduction was brought to the attention of police;
Her parents Gerry and Kate McCann have not given up hope that their daughter is alive but are 'realistic' that she might not be, their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 12:10:52 PM
Wrong


In addition, he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question . On May 3, 2007, a telephone call was made to an unknown person in the Praia da Luz area on May 3, 2007. The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.

Detectives are also appealing for information about two mobile phone numbers, one of which is believed to have been used by the suspect on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance.

The first number is +351 912 730 680. Extensive enquiries have led investigators to believe the suspect was using this number and received a call, starting at 7.32pm and finishing at 8.02pm on 3 May 2007. This call was received in the area of Praia da Luz.

The second mobile number is +351 916 510 683. This number is the phone number that made this call. We know the person was not in the area of Praia da Luz.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:23:26 PM
Nothing of relevant interest was found on Malinka's computers (his own?), but what happened to those belonging to those of his clients? Were they ever checked? If so, were any reports whisked into the non-accessible paedo-connection files?

If the customers' computers were part of property stolen by CB & given to Malinka to "clean up" then who knows?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:31:13 PM
Detectives are also appealing for information about two mobile phone numbers, one of which is believed to have been used by the suspect on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance.

The first number is +351 912 730 680. Extensive enquiries have led investigators to believe the suspect was using this number and received a call, starting at 7.32pm and finishing at 8.02pm on 3 May 2007. This call was received in the area of Praia da Luz.

The second mobile number is +351 916 510 683. This number is the phone number that made this call. We know the person was not in the area of Praia da Luz.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826

Ah well, we are reading different things or they are saying different things -  strange t,



Police also revealed last night that the German suspect made a 30-minute phone call that located him in Praia da Luz just an hour before the Maddie was last seen on May 3, 2007. The following day he suspiciously transferred the ownership of his Jaguar car to another person despite continuing to drive it, police said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17669;image).

[attachment deleted by admin]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:57:11 PM
Quote from: misty on June 04, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
If the customers' computers were part of property stolen by CB & given to Malinka to "clean up" then who knows?

From the Mirror (yes, I know, not in my top 1000 sources of reliable info, but there could be a nugget of semi-accurate info lurking somewhere):

A former neighbour of the suspect said: "He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane, and then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word. I think he left some rent unpaid."

The neighbour added: "About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, absolutely vile. It had been trashed, with broken stuff like computers all over the place.

"We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing, whether just fancy dress or something stranger I couldn't tell."

The neighbour said she was contacted by Scotland Yard detectives who asked her about the man last year, without revealing any detail of their suspicion.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-madeleine-mccann-suspects-absolutely-22136617
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 12:42:50 PM
Ah well, we are reading different things or they are saying different things -  strange t,



Police also revealed last night that the German suspect made a 30-minute phone call that located him in Praia da Luz just an hour before the Maddie was last seen on May 3, 2007. The following day he suspiciously transferred the ownership of his Jaguar car to another person despite continuing to drive it, police said.

I was quoting from the Met statement. Not sure where you got your info from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 01:17:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 07:27:51 AM
I haven't seen one supporter refer to him as guiltily.. Yet several sceptics refer to him as a scapegoat/innocent
We need to wait and see what evidence they have
Bound to be innocent until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 01:17:09 PM
Bound to be innocent until proven otherwise.

Its the evidence im interested in
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:40:35 AM
You are almost certainly right.  But I am now a bit beyond the pale.  I am only certain that The McCanns had nothing to with the disappearance of their daughter.

There you go! That’s your “narrative”. As long as you start with a conclusion you will be biased with regards to the other possibilities.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 01:29:52 PM
Statement by the German PP... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJBZ0aAJSA4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJBZ0aAJSA4)

and Clarence... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeOI1HrbnmQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeOI1HrbnmQ)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:31:13 PM
Detectives are also appealing for information about two mobile phone numbers, one of which is believed to have been used by the suspect on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance.

The first number is +351 912 730 680. Extensive enquiries have led investigators to believe the suspect was using this number and received a call, starting at 7.32pm and finishing at 8.02pm on 3 May 2007. This call was received in the area of Praia da Luz.

The second mobile number is +351 916 510 683. This number is the phone number that made this call. We know the person was not in the area of Praia da Luz.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826

IMO mobile no. 916 510 683 is the key to unlocking this case as it may well be the link between who arranged the abduction & who carried it out. There's must be a very good reason the German repeat offender was never arrested despite the police having knowledge of his crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:58:20 PM
I was quoting from the Met statement. Not sure where you got your info from?

Seems like the Germans - you cant always trust SY IMO


A reward of € 10,000 is given for clues that lead to the investigation of the crime! *

up
Detailed information on the search


snip
More information about this manhunt
Time:03.05.2007
Crime scene:Praia da Luz / Portugal
As part of the investigation of the circumstances of the crime, it is particularly important to determine the actual whereabouts of the suspect at the alleged crime date, which is between 9:10 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. on the date of the crime.

At the time of the crime, the suspect used a dark-colored Jaguar XJR 6 , there is no information about the specific approval before the crime, the last known approval after the tattoo was from the city of Augsburg, as well as a white and yellow VW T3 Westfalia with Portuguese registration. There are indications that he could have used one of these vehicles to commit the crime.

In addition, he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question . On May 3, 2007, a telephone call was made to an unknown person in the Praia da Luz area on May 3, 2007. The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.


The Federal Criminal Police Office and the Public Prosecutor's Office in Braunschweig ask for your help


https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#fahndungsgalerie
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 02:07:10 PM
This Morning

Mitchell looks ill?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 01:37:21 PM
Seems like the Germans - you cant always trust SY IMO


A reward of € 10,000 is given for clues that lead to the investigation of the crime! *

up
Detailed information on the search


snip
More information about this manhunt
Time:03.05.2007
Crime scene:Praia da Luz / Portugal
As part of the investigation of the circumstances of the crime, it is particularly important to determine the actual whereabouts of the suspect at the alleged crime date, which is between 9:10 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. on the date of the crime.

At the time of the crime, the suspect used a dark-colored Jaguar XJR 6 , there is no information about the specific approval before the crime, the last known approval after the tattoo was from the city of Augsburg, as well as a white and yellow VW T3 Westfalia with Portuguese registration. There are indications that he could have used one of these vehicles to commit the crime.

In addition, he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question . On May 3, 2007, a telephone call was made to an unknown person in the Praia da Luz area on May 3, 2007. The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.


The Federal Criminal Police Office and the Public Prosecutor's Office in Braunschweig ask for your help


https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#fahndungsgalerie

if the case is solved its SY who have solved it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 02:07:27 PM
Quote from: misty on June 04, 2020, 01:32:15 PM
IMO mobile no. 916 510 683 is the key to unlocking this case as it may well be the link between who arranged the abduction & who carried it out. There's must be a very good reason the German repeat offender was never arrested despite the police having knowledge of his crimes.

But they are only almost sure that the suspect used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question.

So, what would happen if another person says "Hey, it was my phone number at the time" ...

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 02:11:34 AM
Doesn't sound much like a paedophile if he targeted older women.

True, however according to this article the attack on the 72 year old involved torture. Grim reading, but could explain the change in M.O.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387865/amp/Chilling-testimony-reveals-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-raped-tourist.html

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 02:10:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 01:23:16 PM
Its the evidence im interested in

As yet there isn't any D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 04, 2020, 02:20:22 PM
He looks like the egg face suspect  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 02:10:31 PM
As yet there isn't any D

the Germans say they have...it will be interesting to see what it is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 02:31:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
the Germans say they have...it will be interesting to see what it is

As yet circumstantial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 12:04:58 PM
Who is to blame for the torture and rape of the 72 year old American woman.

Me ... I would lay it squarely where it belongs ... with the home invader who committed the crime of burglarising her home and committing other crimes as a result.

The fault lies with the criminal ... not with the victim.

The McCanns by their poor parenting skills and lack of common sense created this mess, they were lucky not to have been prosecuted in Portugal for neglect, no wonder they couldn't wait to get out of Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 02:31:52 PM
As yet circumstantial

You don't know anything... We need to wait and see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 02:45:52 PM
.(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17671;image)

[attachment deleted by admin]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 02:46:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 02:33:48 PM
The McCanns by their poor parenting skills and lack of common sense created this mess, they were lucky not to have been prosecuted in Portugal for neglect, no wonder they couldn't wait to get out of Portugal.

Perhaps you think they should let him off even if he's guilty... I mean it's not his fault... No blame can be attached to him... According to you. It's all the parents fault
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 02:07:27 PM
But they are only almost sure that the suspect used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question.

So, what would happen if another person says "Hey, it was my phone number at the time" ...

Someone was paying the phone charges & I assume their identity has been all but confirmed by the police. That does not exclude the possibility that a friend or associate used the phone to receive a half-hour call on 3rd May.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
if the case is solved its SY who have solved it

How many times can they flog a dead horse before they too are terminated?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 02:45:07 PM
You don't know anything... We need to wait and see

from skynews


But it shows that after three years, though they have a good deal of circumstantial evidence against the suspect, they are struggling to find hard evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 02:45:52 PM
.(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17671;image)

It would be interesting to know if Martin Smith recognises this man?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 03:06:13 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
It would be interesting to know if Martin Smith recognises this man?

I think it would but I don't think Martin Smith really saw the man's face
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 03:06:13 PM
I think it would but I don't think Martin Smith really saw the man's face

Well he saw enough of it to claim it was Gerry McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 03:18:01 PM
Who assisted the police in compiling the photofit?

Certainly resembles the German fellow more than Gerry, if you excuse the pun.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 03:31:02 PM
Which photofit are you talking about? - there seem to have been a few
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:33:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
What jurisdiction will a German court have over a crime committed in Portugal ?
The German court has already banged him up for a crime committed in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 03:35:33 PM
Sorry, I’m fairly new to the case. This one.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17669;image
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: misty on June 04, 2020, 11:06:02 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html

"Did horrific sex abuse videos snare new Madeleine McCann suspect? Friends reported German paedophile called 'Christian G' to police after finding clips of attacks on two women on his phone"

cont........

I wonder if he's the same guy who spent a few nights at Malinka's house?
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm#p13p3439
Jesus, you learn something new about the case every day - I never knew about this before!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:40:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
Maybe this chappie run her over in his campervan or jaguar car and carried her off.
Bit of an unfortunate coincidence that he just happened to be a violent rapist, paedophile and burglar then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Certainly not, only those stupid parents who go off wining and dining while leaving their kids alone in unsecured holiday accommodation.
I take it you don't have any hard feelings towards the suspect then, only Madeleine's parents?  Nice. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 02:33:48 PM
The McCanns by their poor parenting skills and lack of common sense created this mess, they were lucky not to have been prosecuted in Portugal for neglect, no wonder they couldn't wait to get out of Portugal.
Give it a rest Angelo.  13 years of sniping at the parents and still going strong even after all these years and this new development.  Imagine how they must be feeling, knowing that there is a strong possibility that their three year old daughter met her end at the hands of a depraved and violent rapist. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
I note the McCanns have publicly and personally thanked the police yesterday
"We would like to thank the police forces involved for their continued efforts in the search for Madeleine".

In the past they have been criticised on this forum for not doing so every time there was a news story published, the implication being that they wouldn't be thanking police as they knew they were the chief suspects and were really scared that their game would soon be up.  So, where does this recent expression of gratitude leave us with regard to that particular daft theory?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:47:23 PM
Give it a rest Angelo.  13 years of sniping at the parents and still going strong even after all these years and this new development.  Imagine how they must be feeling, knowing that there is a strong possibility that their three year old daughter met her end at the hands of a depraved and violent rapist.

You dont know yet it was him.


Many questions about what happened on the evening of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remain. Some that have been highlighted by the press and discussed online include:

 

Why did Kate McCann refuse to answer 48 questions put to her by the Portuguese police?

 

Why were certain records of phone calls on the evening of the disappearance “whoosh-clunked”from the memories of the phones of Mr and Mrs McCann and the ‘Tapas 9’?

 

Why did a British sniffer dog sense the smell of a corpse in a cupboard in the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared?

 

Why did a sniffer dog also supposedly sense the smell of a corpse in a vehicle hired by the couple a month after the disappearance of their daughter?

 

Why did Mr and Mrs McCann go jogging and play tennis in the days after their daughter’s disappearance?

 

Was it acceptable for Mr and Mrs McCann’s mortgage to be paid by the fund established to search for their missing daughter?


Former lead investigator in Madeleine McCann case predicted latest development involving German paedophile in April 2019; he suggested the man would be made a “scapegoat” by Scotland Yard
Amongst all the hubbub of the last 24 hours surrounding the “identification of a German sex offender as the key suspect” in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, it has been conveniently forgotten that the former lead detective in the case, Goncalo Amaral, predicted such a development back in April 2019.

 

With nearly £12 million of public money spent on this case thus far, an ending – happy or otherwise – would bring closure for all involved. Yet, with British cops again recently grubbing around for yet more funding, this actually not so new ‘development’ actually could instead be primarily about helping that endeavour.

 

In April last year, Amaral – who had focused his inquiries onto a German paedophile without success in 2008 – told Australia’s News 9 (through an interpreter):

 

“Scotland Yard are preparing the end of the case. They are going to a use a German paedophile who is in jail in Germany at this time. He is going to be the scapegoat for it. I don’t how they will start it, but that will be the big ending. This will be the conclusion of the case.”

 

Significantly, Scotland Yard and the mainstream media seem to have now forgotten all about this.
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/headline-1/mccann-german-paedophile/?fbclid=IwAR2CQmsfa_dz_pw7lQRl0FvXH3x9i2IS-Y9Web5IYGt7O9BEbPbPtNVnIYA

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:58:24 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 03:54:58 PM
You dont know yet it was him.


Many questions about what happened on the evening of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remain. Some that have been highlighted by the press and discussed online include:

 

Why did Kate McCann refuse to answer 48 questions put to her by the Portuguese police?

 

Why were certain records of phone calls on the evening of the disappearance “whoosh-clunked”from the memories of the phones of Mr and Mrs McCann and the ‘Tapas 9’?

 

Why did a British sniffer dog sense the smell of a corpse in a cupboard in the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared?

 

Why did a sniffer dog also supposedly sense the smell of a corpse in a vehicle hired by the couple a month after the disappearance of their daughter?

 

Why did Mr and Mrs McCann go jogging and play tennis in the days after their daughter’s disappearance?

 

Was it acceptable for Mr and Mrs McCann’s mortgage to be paid by the fund established to search for their missing daughter?


Former lead investigator in Madeleine McCann case predicted latest development involving German paedophile in April 2019; he suggested the man would be made a “scapegoat” by Scotland Yard
Amongst all the hubbub of the last 24 hours surrounding the “identification of a German sex offender as the key suspect” in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, it has been conveniently forgotten that the former lead detective in the case, Goncalo Amaral, predicted such a development back in April 2019.

 

With nearly £12 million of public money spent on this case thus far, an ending – happy or otherwise – would bring closure for all involved. Yet, with British cops again recently grubbing around for yet more funding, this actually not so new ‘development’ actually could instead be primarily about helping that endeavour.

 

In April last year, Amaral – who had focused his inquiries onto a German paedophile without success in 2008 – told Australia’s News 9 (through an interpreter):

 

“Scotland Yard are preparing the end of the case. They are going to a use a German paedophile who is in jail in Germany at this time. He is going to be the scapegoat for it. I don’t how they will start it, but that will be the big ending. This will be the conclusion of the case.”

 

Significantly, Scotland Yard and the mainstream media seem to have now forgotten all about this.
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/headline-1/mccann-german-paedophile/?fbclid=IwAR2CQmsfa_dz_pw7lQRl0FvXH3x9i2IS-Y9Web5IYGt7O9BEbPbPtNVnIYA
For some people it will always be 2007.  How pitiful they now look.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 04:04:55 PM
Perhaps a McCann sceptic would like to rationalise to us why it is they believe that the police forces of 3 countries - the UK, Portugal and Germany - have decided to scapegoat a German paedophile for a crime which they secretly believe the parents committed?  In your own time, I look forward to the explanation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 04:06:19 PM
I’m not sure of the significance of them going jogging and having a game of tennis while anxiously awaiting news on Madeleine.

What is normal behaviour in those circumstances? Sitting around eating pies?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 04:06:19 PM
I’m not sure of the significance of them going jogging and having a game of tennis while anxiously awaiting news on Madeleine.

What is normal behaviour in those circumstances? Sitting around eating pies?

Picking yourself off the floor or out of bed requires a lot of effort in such circumstances. Advice at the time was to force themselves to do so. Exercise is a stress relief - which is needed to clear the brain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:21:23 PM
The evidence so far seems to be that the suspect lived near PDL for a time, he made a phone call lasting nearly 30 minutes to an unknown person on the night of the third, he allegedly boasted of some part in Madeleine’s disappearance and he has previous for sexual assaults.

Against is he does not match any of the descriptions of men seem with a child on the 3rd and although the police have one/both of his vehicles they do not seem to have harvested any forensics from them, that we know of.

All we need is a burned letter from a relative and we have Raymond Hewlett all over again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 04:33:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 03:54:58 PM
You dont know yet it was him.


Many questions about what happened on the evening of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remain. Some that have been highlighted by the press and discussed online include:

 

Why did Kate McCann refuse to answer 48 questions put to her by the Portuguese police?

 

Why were certain records of phone calls on the evening of the disappearance “whoosh-clunked”from the memories of the phones of Mr and Mrs McCann and the ‘Tapas 9’?

 

Why did a British sniffer dog sense the smell of a corpse in a cupboard in the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared?

 

Why did a sniffer dog also supposedly sense the smell of a corpse in a vehicle hired by the couple a month after the disappearance of their daughter?

 

Why did Mr and Mrs McCann go jogging and play tennis in the days after their daughter’s disappearance?

 

Was it acceptable for Mr and Mrs McCann’s mortgage to be paid by the fund established to search for their missing daughter?


Former lead investigator in Madeleine McCann case predicted latest development involving German paedophile in April 2019; he suggested the man would be made a “scapegoat” by Scotland Yard
Amongst all the hubbub of the last 24 hours surrounding the “identification of a German sex offender as the key suspect” in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, it has been conveniently forgotten that the former lead detective in the case, Goncalo Amaral, predicted such a development back in April 2019.

 

With nearly £12 million of public money spent on this case thus far, an ending – happy or otherwise – would bring closure for all involved. Yet, with British cops again recently grubbing around for yet more funding, this actually not so new ‘development’ actually could instead be primarily about helping that endeavour.

 

In April last year, Amaral – who had focused his inquiries onto a German paedophile without success in 2008 – told Australia’s News 9 (through an interpreter):

 

“Scotland Yard are preparing the end of the case. They are going to a use a German paedophile who is in jail in Germany at this time. He is going to be the scapegoat for it. I don’t how they will start it, but that will be the big ending. This will be the conclusion of the case.”

 

Significantly, Scotland Yard and the mainstream media seem to have now forgotten all about this.
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/headline-1/mccann-german-paedophile/?fbclid=IwAR2CQmsfa_dz_pw7lQRl0FvXH3x9i2IS-Y9Web5IYGt7O9BEbPbPtNVnIYA

could you provide a cite for the sniffer dog sensing the smell of a corpse...this is what you..amaral and probably all the sceptics think....but its pure specualtion with no evidence to support it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 04:35:13 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 04:44:51 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:21:23 PM
The evidence so far seems to be that the suspect lived near PDL for a time, he made a phone call lasting nearly 30 minutes to an unknown person on the night of the third, he allegedly boasted of some part in Madeleine’s disappearance and he has previous for sexual assaults.

Against is he does not match any of the descriptions of men seem with a child on the 3rd and although the police have one/both of his vehicles they do not seem to have harvested any forensics from them, that we know of.

All we need is a burned letter from a relative and we have Raymond Hewlett all over again

I was never overly convinced by the burned letter saga.

However, to me, this does seem like a serious lead.

It seems that Phone No. 2 phone HIM, not the other way round. It could have been an innocent phone call, but still useful to find out who called and what that person may have known about the current suspect.

There was apparently a rubbish bin with wigs... of what type? Outlandish ones, or ones that could have been used as a plausible disguise? If there had been no obvious reason to keep the bin-sack, I expect it was thrown out.

An article expanded on what the neighbour who cleaned the house allegedly found: computer pieces. However, I'm sceptical of tabloids, so there's no way of knowing whether that's accurate or not.

Both vehicles are now apparently in the hands of German forensics... but how long after did they get hold of them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 04, 2020, 04:47:28 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:21:23 PM
The evidence so far seems to be that the suspect lived near PDL for a time, he made a phone call lasting nearly 30 minutes to an unknown person on the night of the third, he allegedly boasted of some part in Madeleine’s disappearance and he has previous for sexual assaults.

Against is he does not match any of the descriptions of men seem with a child on the 3rd and although the police have one/both of his vehicles they do not seem to have harvested any forensics from them, that we know of.

All we need is a burned letter from a relative and we have Raymond Hewlett all over again


I read that the inspection of the two vehicles suggest a crime had been committed in one of them,  they don't say which one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 04:50:19 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 04, 2020, 04:47:28 PM

I read that the inspection of the two vehicles suggest a crime had been committed in one of them,  they don't say which one.

Yes, but what does that mean?
Could be a simple motoring offence and it doesn't actually link that crime to the suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:50:50 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 04:44:51 PM
I was never overly convinced by the burned letter saga.

However, to me, this does seem like a serious lead.

It seems that Phone No. 2 phone HIM, not the other way round. It could have been an innocent phone call, but still useful to find out who called and what that person may have known about the current suspect.

There was apparently a rubbish bin with wigs... of what type? Outlandish ones, or ones that could have been used as a plausible disguise? If there had been no obvious reason to keep the bin-sack, I expect it was thrown out.

An article expanded on what the neighbour who cleaned the house allegedly found: computer pieces. However, I'm sceptical of tabloids, so there's no way of knowing whether that's accurate or not.

Both vehicles are now apparently in the hands of German forensics... but how long after did they get hold of them?

It may be serious but is the case against him really any less circumstantial than any of the other ‘suspects’ ? I suppose we will just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:51:50 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 04, 2020, 04:47:28 PM

I read that the inspection of the two vehicles suggest a crime had been committed in one of them,  they don't say which one.

What kind of crime ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:58:24 PM
For some people it will always be 2007.  How pitiful they now look.

There have been a lot of mistakes made in this case and in my opinion none more so than those made by the trolls who have been hounding the McCann family since 2007 and continue to do so despite the irrationality of it given the important developments in Madeleine's case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 04:06:19 PM
I’m not sure of the significance of them going jogging and having a game of tennis while anxiously awaiting news on Madeleine.

What is normal behaviour in those circumstances? Sitting around eating pies?

You did say you knew little about this case did you not?  That post confirms it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
You did say you knew little about this case did you not?  That post confirms it.

Is there any need to be so rude ? As a moderator you really should be setting an example.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 04:59:34 PM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 03:35:33 PM
Sorry, I’m fairly new to the case. This one.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17669;image

That efit is reportedly attributed to Carole Tranmer, the niece of Mrs Fenn. CT was visiting Pamela Fenn, whose apartment 5G was immediately above the McCanns, on 3rd May daytime. She witnessed a man behaving strangely at a garden gate close to 5A.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9020869/foreign-madeleine-mccann-suspect-crept-through-gate-near-maddies-apartment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 05:01:22 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:50:50 PM
It may be serious but is the case against him really any less circumstantial than any of the other ‘suspects’ ? I suppose we will just have to wait and see.

Agree. They guy could be a serial rapist / drug trafficker / burglar, but still may not have been responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

Hence, perhaps, the appeal for further information to either include or exclude him.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
You did say you knew little about this case did you not?  That post confirms it.

No, it doesn’t.

Why is it used against them, that they played Tennis and went jogging? What would constitute normal behaviour in those circumstances?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: misty on June 04, 2020, 04:59:34 PM
That efit is reportedly attributed to Carole Tranmer, the niece of Mrs Fenn. CT was visiting Pamela Fenn, whose apartment 5G was immediately above the McCanns, on 3rd May daytime. She witnessed a man behaving strangely at a garden gate close to 5A.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9020869/foreign-madeleine-mccann-suspect-crept-through-gate-near-maddies-apartment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/

Snip
"He was blonde, with a lot of hair, very short... But not like a footballer, do you know what I mean? A style close to shaven. Very short, blonde, the head was very sculptured. The shape of the head was very sculptured, more oval shaped.

"He was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian, if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian."

Carole’s sighting is one of a dozen unresolved sightings of strangers in the popular resort.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9020869/foreign-madeleine-mccann-suspect-crept-through-gate-near-maddies-apartment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 05:12:29 PM
It was a holiday resort so not surprising it was full of strangers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 05:14:48 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
There have been a lot of mistakes made in this case and in my opinion none more so than those made by the trolls who have been hounding the McCann family since 2007 and continue to do so despite the irrationality of it given the important developments in Madeleine's case.

Trolls GA Sceptics etc etc etc etc. you continue to blame well

Can you imagine if this man took her what Maddie would have gone through what her fate was - can you.

Because she was left to her fate by the mccS - This is why you don't leave children unattended,

Never mind the mccs - what did Maddie go through B

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 04, 2020, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:51:50 PM
What kind of crime ?

I just read it again and it says there is a link to an offence,  so could be anything,  not connected to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 05:01:22 PM
Agree. They guy could be a serial rapist / drug trafficker / burglar, but still may not have been responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

Hence, perhaps, the appeal for further information to either include or exclude him.

Agreed but after three years of investigation that they are only now asking these questions is rather odd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 05:23:59 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 05:19:36 PM
Agreed but after three years of investigation that they are only now asking these questions is rather odd.

I would say that's because they've  hit a brick wall and hope that this appeal will knock a hole in it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 04, 2020, 05:26:51 PM
This is very interesting - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 04, 2020, 05:28:52 PM
Perhaps there will be a lot of people coming forward with information,  this could trigger a lot of memories.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 05:42:51 PM
Quote from: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 05:02:33 PM
No, it doesn’t.

Why is it used against them, that they played Tennis and went jogging? What would constitute normal behaviour in those circumstances?

Sorry I couldn't begin to answer that.  But you can.  You did post it up, after all.  Why did you use it against them when you claim you really don't know much about it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 05:14:48 PM
Trolls GA Sceptics etc etc etc etc. you continue to blame well

Can you imagine if this man took her what Maddie would have gone through what her fate was - can you.

Because she was left to her fate by the mccS - This is why you don't leave children unattended,

Never mind the mccs - what did Maddie go through B

Do you think it is too soon to open a Go Fund Me defence account for the criminal in German custody?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 05:46:31 PM
I think there’s been a misunderstanding I didn’t use it against them, I was responding to another poster who suggested it. I was trying to see it from the McCanns point if view.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 05:46:47 PM
One of the houses, 'Escola Velha' or 'Old School' (in Monte Judeu on the EM535-1) in which the alleged German suspect was holed up for a period (attached). The house has been extended and a clerestory added since 2007.

The same house in the centre of the Google photo. Scroll forwards for a closer StreetView or backwards several times for a more extensive bird's-eye view to see the built-up Praia da Luz in the bottom left-hand corner...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.125431,-8.7173098,150a,35y,322.83h,44.98t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.125431,-8.7173098,150a,35y,322.83h,44.98t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 05:48:16 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
Do you think it is too soon to open a Go Fund Me defence account for the criminal in German custody?

Probably best to wait until he's charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 05:48:52 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 05:19:36 PM
Agreed but after three years of investigation that they are only now asking these questions is rather odd.

Not necessarily.

From Misty's link, it seems he's only recently been convicted of the lady's rape, although it's not entirely clear if the article refers to an appeal hearing or not. (I had read somewhere unverifiable that he'd been convicted in latish 2018, hence my query.)

Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal

Brunswick. A 72-year-old was raided in her home 14 years ago. The 43-year-old denies in the Braunschweig evidence process that he is the culprit.

Bettina Thoenes
17.12.2019 - 4.30 p.m.


I find it possible that the police wanted to get one case done and dusted (the lady's rape) without noise from another one (the potential Madeleine connection).

The fact that he is now definitely behind bars may also be an incentive for potential witnesses to feel safer in coming forward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
I wonder where he was when Joana disappeared...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 06:04:39 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
I wonder where he was when Joana disappeared...

thats a very interesting question...but will anyone be interested in answerring it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:07:04 PM
The Germans are reportedly saying they believe Madeleine is dead,is this because of his modus operandi,meanwhile OG still say they have no definitive evidence either way,bit of a disconnect between the two investigations,also have Grange handed it over with this really being the last throw of the dice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 05:48:52 PM
Not necessarily.

From Misty's link, it seems he's only recently been convicted of the lady's rape, although it's not entirely clear if the article refers to an appeal hearing or not. (I had read somewhere unverifiable that he'd been convicted in latish 2018, hence my query.)

Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal

Brunswick. A 72-year-old was raided in her home 14 years ago. The 43-year-old denies in the Braunschweig evidence process that he is the culprit.

Bettina Thoenes
17.12.2019 - 4.30 p.m.


I find it possible that the police wanted to get one case done and dusted (the lady's rape) without noise from another one (the potential Madeleine connection).

The fact that he is now definitely behind bars may also be an incentive for potential witnesses to feel safer in coming forward.

I have read that his name was put forward by a friend after they had watched a programme on the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. The friend was also shown video of the rape at the same time. I really can’t believe that the German police would prioritise an investigation into a rape over, what could have been, an alive, disappeared child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 04, 2020, 06:12:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
Do you think it is too soon to open a Go Fund Me defence account for the criminal in German custody?

No,give it a go anyhoo see how it goes...

It would be a kind gesture if the McCanns held up the remaining 'fund' money as a reward for information to the arrest and imprisonment of this 'monster' who has already been forgiven by Kate a few days after the event.  They wouldn't need it after all if the case is closed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:12:30 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
It would be interesting to know if Martin Smith recognises this man?
Or Jane Tanner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 04, 2020, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 06:11:46 PM
I have read that his name was put forward by a friend after they had watched a programme on the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. The friend was also shown video of the rape at the same time. I really can’t believe that the German police would prioritise an investigation into a rape over, what could have been, an alive, disappeared child.

I am finding the whole thing like a bad movie. Keep watching even though it doesn't make any sense.

If this friend saw images of a woman being raped  on MBM's 10th anniversary, how come it was never mentioned at that time by the friend. Did this friend know about MBM and his friends stay in PDL at the time, did the friend mention MBM at the time to any police team?

it would be very interesting to find out if MBM was picked up via walking and wandering or how they got in and out of the apartment. I am still ruling out the window and shutters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 04, 2020, 06:23:45 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 04, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed...

did he look like that back in 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 04, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed...
Ah! but which one is it? Tannerman,Binman,Smithman,Eggman? Smellyman,the list is not exhaustive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:25:27 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 05:48:52 PM
Not necessarily.

From Misty's link, it seems he's only recently been convicted of the lady's rape, although it's not entirely clear if the article refers to an appeal hearing or not. (I had read somewhere unverifiable that he'd been convicted in latish 2018, hence my query.)

Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal

Brunswick. A 72-year-old was raided in her home 14 years ago. The 43-year-old denies in the Braunschweig evidence process that he is the culprit.

Bettina Thoenes
17.12.2019 - 4.30 p.m.


I find it possible that the police wanted to get one case done and dusted (the lady's rape) without noise from another one (the potential Madeleine connection).

The fact that he is now definitely behind bars may also be an incentive for potential witnesses to feel safer in coming forward.
I find it strange that a serious case or torture and rape of a holidaymaker was never once mentioned as having taken place in PdL only a year or two before Madeleine went missing.  I would also be very interested to know what efforts the Portuguese police went to to find this woman’s assailant and if this known sex offender living in the area was ever questioned by them in connection with the rape.  One can only assume not, as they had hair samples and had he been questioned and DNA taken he could have been arrested, charged and imprisoned and then unable to commit any further crimes in the area for the forseeable future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 04, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed...
What a nasty piece of work.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 04, 2020, 06:19:57 PM
I am finding the whole thing like a bad movie. Keep watching even though it doesn't make any sense.

If this friend saw images of a woman being raped  on MBM's 10th anniversary, how come it was never mentioned at that time by the friend. Did this friend know about MBM and his friends stay in PDL at the time, did the friend mention MBM at the time to any police team?

it would be very interesting to find out if MBM was picked up via walking and wandering or how they got in and out of the apartment. I am still ruling out the window and shutters.

I think the friend went to the police straight after he was given the information and saw the video. Why it’s taken three years to get to this point...you knows.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 06:11:46 PM
I have read that his name was put forward by a friend after they had watched a programme on the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. The friend was also shown video of the rape at the same time. I really can’t believe that the German police would prioritise an investigation into a rape over, what could have been, an alive, disappeared child.

We don't know how much credible information needed checking out about any of the cases. The German police appear to have classified it as a murder investigation (contrary to the UK), although why isn't clear. Possibly for legal or financial reasons.

If initial checking didn't result in anything concrete (e.g, if it's true than an initial tip-off was provided in 2013), then it could have been put on the back-burner until further info came to light.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 06:31:40 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 04, 2020, 06:23:45 PM
did he look like that back in 2007?
He looks younger than 43, but might be one who has a perpetual youthful baby-face.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 06:32:39 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
We don't know how much credible information needed checking out about any of the cases. The German police appear to have classified it as a murder investigation (contrary to the UK), although why isn't clear. Possibly for legal or financial reasons.

If initial checking didn't result in anything concrete (e.g, if it's true than an initial tip-off was provided in 2013), then it could have been put on the back-burner until further info came to light.
As its a crime in another country classing it as a murder may give them jurisdiction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:25:27 PM
I find it strange that a serious case or torture and rape of a holidaymaker was never once mentioned as having taken place in PdL only a year or two before Madeleine went missing.  I would also be very interested to know what efforts the Portuguese police went to to find this woman’s assailant and if this known sex offender living in the area was ever questioned by them in connection with the rape.  One can only assume not, as they had hair samples and had he been questioned and DNA taken he could have been arrested, charged and imprisoned and then unable to commit any further crimes in the area for the forseeable future.

I haven't found where she lived - she could have been under the Faro jurisdiction. The PJ weren't known for reporting on anything other than a successful charge.

As for the PJ understanding DNA... in 2005?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:34:34 PM
I haven't found where she lived - she could have been under the Faro jurisdiction. The PJ weren't known for reporting on anything other than a successful charge.

As for the PJ understanding DNA... in 2005?
The crime happened in PdL, so presumably that’s where she lived.  Aren’t incidents of violent torture and rape reported in the media in Portugal, or is there a complete news black out on all crimes u til charges are brought?  I find that very hard to believe.  Did the PJ not understand that you could match hairs found at the scene to potential suspects? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 04, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed...
His hair is dark blonde, which under artificial light at night  could pass as much darker IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:47:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 06:32:39 PM
As its a crime in another country classing it as a murder may give them jurisdiction

I confess I know nothing whatsoever about German criminal law. My understanding (from memory)  is that normally a crime is judged where it took place with a few exceptions, sometimes related to offences against children, or organised crime / international trafficking.

In the rape case, there was a legal mess over jurisdiction on various criminal charges to sort out.

The German police may have taken the lead in the investigation for the moment as the guy is German and is currently in their custody.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 06:48:03 PM
Wow!! All kinds of accusations flying around on the internet and the media. I wonder if Clarence Mitchell and the McCann’s will be speaking out against it. Not to mention several posters here. Please remember the concept of due legal process fellow forum posters 😊
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:51:04 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 06:48:03 PM
Wow!! All kinds of accusations flying around on the internet and the media. I wonder if Clarence Mitchell and the McCann’s will be speaking out against it. Not to mention several posters here. Please remember the concept of due legal process fellow forum posters 😊
What accusations have the media made?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
We don't know how much credible information needed checking out about any of the cases. The German police appear to have classified it as a murder investigation (contrary to the UK), although why isn't clear. Possibly for legal or financial reasons.

If initial checking didn't result in anything concrete (e.g, if it's true than an initial tip-off was provided in 2013), then it could have been put on the back-burner until further info came to light.

A year ago Amaral claimed a German who was in prison was under investigation, a vehicle had been searched but nothing found. What other than them hitting a brick wall could have warranted this appeal to the public ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:56:42 PM
From the opening salvo of this thread.

He was in the Praia de Luz area where the McCann family was staying when she disappeared and received a phone call at 7.32pm, which ended at 8.02pm.

So its known he received a call,how come its not known who phoned him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:57:14 PM
Let’s hope this is end of the McCanns’ ordeal
David Aaronovitch
But perhaps this time it’s different. Possibly the German paedophile referred to as Christian B (because of German privacy laws) is, finally, the answer to the mystery. As I write this, news updates on the story are making my Apple watch vibrate every few minutes. The German authorities in Braunschweig have been confident enough to say that Madeleine should be assumed to be dead, even though Scotland Yard detectives are being more circumspect. The man is said to have been in the area at around the time Madeleine disappeared in 2007, was known for committing burglaries, and was already on the list of 600 or more potential suspects who were investigated. All circumstantial but perhaps a fragment of someone’s memory has been jogged after all this time. For the sake of the family, I hope so.

But for many of us, the McCann case ceased long ago to be primarily about a missing girl. There is no other child, as far as I know, who the police have spent £12 million investigating. Almost from the beginning, as it became clear that the poster campaign was leading nowhere, Madeleine herself stopped being the issue.

In May 2007, two weeks after she disappeared, I went up to the McCann’s home village of Rothley in Leicestershire to look at the shrine that had been created beside the war memorial. To the railings, I wrote, “hundreds of yellow ribbons have been attached, accompanied by flowers, cards, children’s drawings, soft toys and, above all, images of Madeleine McCann. ‘Expect a miracle,’ says a card depicting hands clasped in prayer and draped with a crucifix. More typical is: ‘Maddy, we didn’t even know you, but you are with us in our hearts.’”

By then nearly a hundred thousand posters bearing the now iconic photograph plus the legend “Madeleine Missing” had been downloaded from the Sky News website alone. People were putting up posters of a child lost in the Algarve in British streets where she had never set foot and was never likely to. A website called “Find Maddy” received 60 million hits in less than a fortnight. A fighting fund to help search for the girl raised vast amounts of money and celebrities and sports figures were falling over themselves to urge everyone to look out for her.

Why? One phrase back in 2007 was ubiquitous: that Madeleine’s disappearance was “every parent’s nightmare”. People identified with these middle-class parents, living an ordinary life and who went on the kind of holiday so many of us have taken. And then disaster struck. The missing child was pretty and photogenic, and that always makes a difference. It shouldn’t but it does.

But the manner of the disaster was incredibly rare. Children almost never vanish into thin air, let alone are plucked from hotel rooms. There were no lessons to be learned here. Ask someone who has lost a child to a road accident, a fall, a drowning, a dangerous toy — approximately 120 children aged under nine die in accidents in Britain every year – and they’ll be able to remind you what you really need to worry about.

The disappearance of Madeline McCann also coincided with a period of intense anxiety about childhood, and in particular the threat to children from outside the family. This despite the fact that the most threats come from inside. There was the Bulger case in 1993 which raised the spectre of “feral” truants, there was the Sarah Payne murder in 2000, the Soham murders of 2002 which led to comprehensive and bureaucratic checks on anyone working with children, and the rolling revelations of years of past child abuse in institutions.

Not only were our children imagined to be in danger from other people, but they were also in danger from what they ate (allergies, intolerances, obesity), what they did (computer game addiction, phones, social media) and what they had (autism, attention deficit disorder). Some of this was justified, some much less so. But Madeleine McCann was the perfect apex of that pyramid of anxiety.

And the McCann case also started at the moment when social media was becoming a phenomenon. Facebook started in 2004, YouTube in 2005 and Twitter in 2006. The mystery of the case was perfect in the first instance to drum up empathy and solidarity, in the second instance to allow people to speculate publicly about what had happened, in the third to create space for the development of conspiracy theories, and finally to permit some people to abuse the McCanns.

One who did so was called Brenda Leyland. A woman in her sixties, described by friends as “eccentric and opinionated” but also fun, Leyland posted 400 tweets inside 11 months accusing the McCanns of murder. She was by no means alone — that accusation had been made by many “trolls” over the years (indeed the McCann case spawned them) — but Ms Leyland was tracked down by journalists and challenged about her statements. She killed herself.

I’d argue that Brenda’s obsession was only a perverted version of a wider shared obsession. In 2008 Express Newspapers paid out £550,000 in damages to the McCanns for publishing more than 100 seriously defamatory articles about them. In that period Madeleine had replaced Princess Diana as the front-page story that sold copies. After all, don’t we all know that when a bad thing happens, the first person the police suspect is always a family member?

And now in the era of Netflix documentaries and “true-crime” podcasts, the Madeleine case lives on as diversion for a new generation. These are the modern versions of the Sunday newspaper stories that Orwell wrote about in 1946, where after lunch, your pipe in mouth and the fire lit, “in these blissful circumstances, what is it that you want to read about? Naturally, about a murder”.

I never liked this story. I always assumed the poor child was dead and I found the public agony of the parents almost unbearable. Not only that but they have become the objects of our often hypocritical and neurotic interest, and the providers of our entertainment. For these reasons let’s hope that Christian B is indeed the answer and that we can put this, and Madeleine, to rest. It’s time for Scotland Yard detectives to fly somewhere else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:04:06 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 06:52:55 PM
A year ago Amaral claimed a German who was in prison was under investigation, a vehicle had been searched but nothing found. What other than them hitting a brick wall could have warranted this appeal to the public ?

Why a "brick wall"? It might be trying find / verify various details.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:11:10 PM
Do those who believe this man is a scapegoat believe that all suspects identified years after the crime but with no forensic evidence are also scapegoats?  Like John Canaan in this case for example?  Is he just a scapegoat?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Suzy_Lamplugh#Police_investigations
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:04:06 PM
Why a "brick wall"? It might be trying find / verify various details.

Then they are certainly taking their time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:15:04 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:04:06 PM
Why a "brick wall"? It might be trying find / verify various details.
It’s not uncommon for the police to make appeals to the public for further information to help secure a conviction.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.  It didn’t work in this case, though the circumstantial evidence against Canaan would seem fairly strong.  Do sceptics scoff and jeer at attempts by the police to secure more information from the public to aid them secure a charge, or is their ridicule just reserved for the McCann case?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Suzy_Lamplugh#Police_investigations
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:16:18 PM
I guess they're asking for info from 13 yrs back about specific vehicles,like people will remember.



Detailed information about the vehicles:

Vehicle 1: Jaguar XJR 6
Color: dark red / aubergine
Registration: The last known registration after the date was with the city of Augsburg.
Whereabouts: The whereabouts of the vehicle have been clarified.

Vehicle 2: VW T3 Westfalia
Color: white / yellow License
plate: In May 2007, Portuguese license plates were attached to the vehicle.
Whereabouts: The whereabouts of the vehicle have been clarified.
Note: The accused was not the owner of the vehicle. The keeper must be excluded as a suspect.

https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#detailinformationen132470
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 07:18:59 PM
Talking of scapegoats..if he was to confess to the crime....then appear in court looking like he had been beaten to a pulp...would sceptics accepy his guilt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 07:19:44 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
Well he saw enough of it to claim it was Gerry McCann.

I don’t believe this latest development makes Martin Smith’s evidence any less credible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 07:20:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:15:04 PM
It’s not uncommon for the police to make appeals to the public for further information to help secure a conviction.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.  It didn’t work in this case, though the circumstantial evidence against Canaan would seem fairly strong.  Do sceptics scoff and jeer at attempts by the police to secure more information from the public to aid them secure a charge, or is their ridicule just reserved for the McCann case?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Suzy_Lamplugh#Police_investigations

Sadly I don't think the McCanns are the only parents of missing children who are attacked by internet trolls but they seem to get the worst of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:20:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 07:18:59 PM
Talking of scapegoats..if he was to confess to the crime....then appear in court looking like he had been beaten to a pulp...would sceptics accepy his guilt.
Nice one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:21:35 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 07:19:44 PM
I don’t believe this latest development makes Martin Smith’s evidence any less credible.
Shame the police don’t share your view then isn’t it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:56:42 PM
From the opening salvo of this thread.

He was in the Praia de Luz area where the McCann family was staying when she disappeared and received a phone call at 7.32pm, which ended at 8.02pm.

So its known he received a call,how come its not known who phoned him?

They know the number of the mobile phone but not who it belonged to - hence the appeal for information
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:22:07 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 07:13:05 PM
Then they are certainly taking their time.

True, but there are police forces in three different countries involved, and other leads that needed to be eliminated. Something new could have recently come to light that they don't want to share with the public for the moment.

They didn't want to give his name, but they must have known that it would emerge anyway, so there may have been a related reason as to the timing.

Who knows?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2020, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 07:19:44 PM
I don’t believe this latest development makes Martin Smith’s evidence any less credible.

i dont believe it was ever credible as it being Gerry
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:24:45 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 07:21:43 PM
They know the number of the mobile phone but not who it belonged to - hence the appeal for information

Bit more on the phone call,the recipient wasn't in the area,blimey thats suspicious,must stop ringing my daughter who live 200 mile away.

The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:24:45 PM
Bit more on the phone call,the recipient wasn't in the area,blimey thats suspicious,must stop ringing my daughter who live 200 mile away.

The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.
Don’t be silly.  They haven’t said that the person who was out of the area was a suspect, or that calling them was suspicious, only that they may have more information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:22:07 PM
True, but there are police forces in three different countries involved, and other leads that needed to be eliminated. Something new could have recently come to light that they don't want to share with the public for the moment.

They didn't want to give his name, but they must have known that it would emerge anyway, so there may have been a related reason as to the timing.

Who knows?

I liken it to John Canaan, named as suspect in Lamplugh disappearance but still remains innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:27:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:26:59 PM
I liken it to John Canaan, named as suspect in Lamplugh disappearance but still remains innocent.
Do you think he’s a scapegoat?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:21:35 PM
Shame the police don’t share your view then isn’t it?

Which Police force have stated they don’t find Martin Smith’s evidence to be credible?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
Don’t be silly.  They haven’t said that the person who was out of the area was a suspect, or that calling them was suspicious, only that they may have more information.

They'll find a vaccine for covid 19 before they charge this guy imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:32:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:21:35 PM
Shame the police don’t share your view then isn’t it?

The police never commented on Smithman after the revelation moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
 Compared to the Smith efits.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 07:36:26 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 07:28:18 PM
Which Police force have stated they don’t find Martin Smith’s evidence to be credible?
The Met have dismissed it as no longer of interest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:29:19 PM
They'll find a vaccine for covid 19 before they charge this guy imo.
Let’s hope both happen within a year. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 07:40:35 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:22:07 PM
True, but there are police forces in three different countries involved, and other leads that needed to be eliminated. Something new could have recently come to light that they don't want to share with the public for the moment.

They didn't want to give his name, but they must have known that it would emerge anyway, so there may have been a related reason as to the timing.

Who knows?

And meanwhile if Madeleine is still alive she’s......fill in the blanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:37:52 PM
The Met have dismissed it as no longer of interest.

I don't recall seeing that. Have you a link ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:46:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
I don't recall seeing that. Have you a link ?
Nope, someone else may though.  Of course I may be mistaken, but as they haven’t appealed for any further information on the Smith sighting in seven years and as they seem to be concentrating on a known German paedo, it would seem from the evidence that they are no longer interested in Smithman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 07:49:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
I don't recall seeing that. Have you a link ?

No I haven’t seen that said either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:52:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:37:52 PM
The Met have dismissed it as no longer of interest.
When so,I recall the girl being carried Redwood said fitted the description close to that of Madeleine Mccann.Even tanners sighting never suggested that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:55:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:52:50 PM
When so,I recall  girl being carried Redwood said fitted the description close to that of Madeleine Mccann.
I was under the impression that since 2013 something was said or revealed in word or deed by the police that indicated they were no longer looking for Smithman.  If I am wrong I apologise.  On the other hand someone with a better memory than me may recall the specifics of what it is I am referring to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:46:35 PM
Nope, someone else may though.  Of course I may be mistaken, but as they haven’t appealed for any further information on the Smith sighting in seven years and as they seem to be concentrating on a known German paedo, it would seem from the evidence that they are no longer interested in Smithman.

Rings a very vague bell. A reply to one of the innumerable FOI requests?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:56:07 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:55:31 PM
Rings a very vague bell. A reply to one of the innumerable FOI requests?
Yes, something like that.  I recall it being discussed on this forum at the time.  It wasn’t THAT long ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
Did someone not write asking why the Smithman photofits were not on their website and they replied that they were no longer persons of interest, or some such?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 08:11:20 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 07:40:35 PM
And meanwhile if Madeleine is still alive she’s......fill in the blanks.

Whatever happened to Madeleine wasn't a game ... I'm surprised you appear to be treating it as such.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 08:12:17 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 04, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed..(https://i.imgur.com/PsKnbuX.jpg)

Not to dissimilar to a previous named by the press suspect.

(https://i.imgur.com/q8BRzhg.jpg)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12228229

Bound to be one of them.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 08:14:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 08:12:17 PM
Not to dissimilar to a previous named by the press suspect.

(https://i.imgur.com/q8BRzhg.jpg)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12228229

Bound to be one of them.

Martin Ney is older than the current suspect. I believe 49 years old?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 08:23:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 08:14:49 PM
Martin Ney is older than the current suspect. I believe 49 years old?

Germans mentioned back in 2011,took them along time to get to Germany.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3298.msg125600#msg125600
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2020, 08:44:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
Did someone not write asking why the Smithman photofits were not on their website and they replied that they were no longer persons of interest, or some such?

A man seen by many eye witnesses carrying who they believe was Madeleine McCann at the time she disappeared is no longer a person of interest. What Nonsense!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
To me, this is not the same person. Perhaps Martin Ney is the person with the mobile number that made the call to Christian Brückner?

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 08:55:31 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
To me, this is not the same person. Perhaps Martin Ney is the person with the mobile number that made the call to Christian Brückner?

I said they're not dissimilar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 08:56:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
Did someone not write asking why the Smithman photofits were not on their website and they replied that they were no longer persons of interest, or some such?
Wasn't it because of an upgrade to their site?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:59:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 08:56:35 PM
Wasn't it because of an upgrade to their site?
I have no idea, but for years there were no photofits of Smithman on their website if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:59:18 PM
I have no idea, but for years there were no photofits of Smithman on their website if I recall correctly.

Think this answers it,they'll not disclose it.

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2018/june_2018/information-rights-unit---various-questions-about-operation-grange
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:01:55 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2020, 08:44:07 PM
A man seen by many eye witnesses carrying who they believe was Madeleine McCann at the time she disappeared is no longer a person of interest. What Nonsense!

you’ve obviously forgotten this post you wrote last year


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These efits were received by the Operation Grange team in September 2008
as part of a dossier of material handed to the MPS by private
investigators that had been working on the case.  The MPS will not comment
on whether identifications have or have not been made however the efits do
not form part of any current appeal.

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contact me on 0207 161 3583 or via email at [email address],
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:02:44 PM
Vindicated!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:02:44 PM
Vindicated!
Not part of any appeal,there was no appeal for info.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2020, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:02:44 PM
Vindicated!

Current appeal. Smithman is the ace!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:10:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:04:55 PM
Not part of any appeal,there was no appeal for info.
And why would that be do you suppose?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:11:43 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2020, 09:05:29 PM
Current appeal. Smithman is the ace!
Deluded.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 09:19:07 PM
An interesting and informative article here - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:26:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2020, 09:19:07 PM
An interesting and informative article here - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995
Circumstantial at best it seems.


There is a lot of circumstantial evidence against the man, but no proof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:26:14 PM
Circumstantial at best it seems.

We only know what has been announced, but little of any substance, it would seem.

I am wondering why they are confident that it was him who had this long telephone conversation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 09:42:33 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
Compared to the Smith efits.

That’s just chaff or you’re presuming without evidence that only one person was involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 10:04:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2020, 09:19:07 PM
An interesting and informative article here - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995
Sickening.  No wonder he kept going back to Portugal, he knew he could get away with all sorts there, so inept were the local police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 10:13:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 10:04:35 PM
Sickening.  No wonder he kept going back to Portugal, he knew he could get away with all sorts there, so inept were the local police.

Surely it is equally inept to start a missing child case by refusing to investigate any possibility that there may be some close family involvement. Such a premise is (or rather was) unheard of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 04, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 07:18:59 PM
Talking of scapegoats..if he was to confess to the crime....then appear in court looking like he had been beaten to a pulp...would sceptics accepy his guilt.

I read tonight he had written something on an internet forum about the case which could have incriminated him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 10:35:11 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 10:13:17 PM
Surely it is equally inept to start a missing child case by refusing to investigate any possibility that there may be some close family involvement. Such a premise is (or rather was) unheard of.
Deflection. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 04, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
I read tonight he had written something on an internet forum about the case which could have incriminated him.
Where did you read that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 04, 2020, 10:39:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
Where did you read that?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-wrote-22136821
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 04, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
I read tonight he had written something on an internet forum about the case which could have incriminated him.

Yes, I've seen that mentioned as well. Not clear whether it was a forum, or comments on a blog, nor in which language.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 10:50:56 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 08:11:20 PM
Whatever happened to Madeleine wasn't a game ... I'm surprised you appear to be treating it as such.

No it isn’t a game and this is a real child who has probably died in the most horrific of circumstances if the German police have ‘their finger on the pulse’. Perhaps it’s worth you remembering that...this isn’t merely about exonerating the parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 11:09:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2020, 09:19:07 PM
An interesting and informative article here - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995

Very interesting. There doesn’t seem to be any history of abduction in his past, even though there is horrific abuse  and no evidence that he carried out his crimes with an accomplice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 11:11:10 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 04, 2020, 10:39:52 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-wrote-22136821

Thanks but that article does not say anything to suggest that what he wrote was self incriminating. Or was that part of your post speculation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 11:18:59 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 11:09:45 PM
Very interesting. There doesn’t seem to be any history of abduction in his past, even though there is horrific abuse  and no evidence that he carried out his crimes with an accomplice.
There is a history of highly risky behaviour including robbing holiday apartments while they were occupied.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 11:23:46 PM
Hundreds respond to fresh Madeleine McCann appeal for information
4 June 2020 at 9:33pm
 Madeleine in Portugal before her disappearance.
Madeleine in Portugal before her disappearance.
Hundreds of people have responded to a fresh police appeal for information over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Scotland Yard, working with German and Portuguese authorities, have received hundreds of emails and calls from the public after urging people to come forward if they could shed more light on a German prisoner currently under investigation on Wednesday night.

German prosecutors believe Madeleine is dead and are investigating the child sex predator on suspicion of her murder.

 Madeleine disappeared just before her fourth birthday.
Madeleine disappeared just before her fourth birthday. Credit: PA
Mary Nightingale on the resolve of Gerry and Kate McCann
What do we know about the suspect in the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
German media name suspect in Madeleine McCann murder investigation
DCI Mark Cranwell, who is leading the Metropolitan Police’s Operation Grange investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, said more than 270 calls and emails had been received by 4pm on Thursday.

Thanking the public for getting in touch, he said: “We are pleased with the information coming in, and it will be assessed and prioritised.

“We continue to urge anyone with information to come forward and speak with us.”

Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick reveals the suspect's name was given to police in 2017
The suspect under investigation, a 43-year-old German national who has been named in media reports as Christian B, is reportedly serving a seven-year prison sentence for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal in 2005.

He is known to have lived on the Algarve coast and his Portuguese mobile phone received a half-hour phone call in Praia da Luz around an hour before Madeleine, three, went missing on May 3 2007.

Scotland Yard said he was believed to have been living in a distinctive early 1980s VW T3 Westfalia camper van at the time and re-registered a 1993 Jaguar XJR6 in someone else’s name the day after her disappearance.

The force’s Operation Grange, which has received £12.3 million in funding up since it was launched in 2013, still considers the case a missing person inquiry because there is no “definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead”.

But Hans Christian Wolters, a spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor’s office, said the suspect is being investigated “on suspicion of murder”, adding: “We are assuming that the girl is dead.

German newspaper Braunschweiger Zeitung reported the suspect was convicted of rape in Braunschweig District Court in December last year.

 A house in Portugal linked to the suspect
A house in Portugal linked to the suspect Credit: Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany/PA
Der Spiegel reported he is serving a prison sentence in Kiel, having been initially extradited from Portugal in 2017 and convicted of drug trafficking.

The German magazine said his criminal record contains a total of 17 entries, including child abuse while he was still a teenager, and published a pixelated picture of him apparently taken from Facebook.

It comes after Christian Hoppe, from Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), told the country’s ZDF television channel on Wednesday night German police have not ruled out a sexual motive for the alleged crime against Madeleine.

He said that the suspect may have broken into an apartment in the Ocean Club complex, where Madeleine was on holiday with her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, and her twin siblings Sean and Amelie, before spontaneously kidnapping her.

A BKA appeal said: “There is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left.”

 Kate and Gerry McCann in 2007
Kate and Gerry McCann in 2007 Credit: Steve Parsons/PA
Both vehicles linked to the suspect have been seized by German police, who said there is information to suggest the suspect may have used one of them in the alleged offence.

The BKA is asking for other potential victims to come forward, while an appeal on German Crimewatch-style programme XY said the suspect was linked to houses in Portugal, including one between Praia da Luz and Lagos.

Scotland Yard revealed the “significant development” in a joint appeal with the BKA and the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria (PJ), including a £20,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of the person responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance who vanished shortly before her fourth birthday.

Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, in Leicestershire, welcomed the latest appeal in a statement which said: “We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive, but whatever the outcome may be, we need to know as we need to find peace.”

Last updated Thu 4 Jun 2020
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:11:43 PM
Deluded.

 *%87 they will never solve this case until he is identified. Everything leads to Smithman and his perculiar timeline. Time for him to come forward and reveal himself knowing they have another but don't bet on it  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2020, 11:42:02 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
*%87 they will never solve this case until he is identified. Everything leads to Smithman and his perculiar timeline. Time for him to come forward and reveal himself knowing they have another but don't bet on it  @)(++(*
Ridiculous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 11:43:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 10:35:11 PM
Deflection.

Not at all. I'm just pointing out an obvious flaw.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 12:02:05 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 11:43:19 PM
Not at all. I'm just pointing out an obvious flaw.
In what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 05, 2020, 12:33:06 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 12:02:05 AM
In what?

Operation Grange. Surely you agree that all missing children cases where foul play is suspecting do not start an investigation which rules out close family involvement. It's a huge flaw. A preconception introduces bias from the beginning and makes an investigation less effective, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 05, 2020, 01:18:28 AM
Sky News just referred to the German as "a new suspect". Poor journalism or what? Where have the been for the past few years?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 01:24:00 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 10:50:56 PM
No it isn’t a game and this is a real child who has probably died in the most horrific of circumstances if the German police have ‘their finger on the pulse’. Perhaps it’s worth you remembering that...this isn’t merely about exonerating the parents.

I posted ... "Whatever happened to Madeleine wasn't a game ... I'm surprised you appear to be treating it as such."

Perhaps you could point out where I mentioned "exonerating the parents".  I didn't.  But you certainly appear to have recognised the facts of the matter without any prompting from me.

In my opinion you seem to be less than content that the emergence of a predator such as Christian Brueckner has highlighted the incompetence of the Portuguese police from Amaral's era as he indulged his twelve year Portuguese crime spree without let nor hindrance from them.

He hasn't been charged let alone tried but the horrific circumstances of Madeleine's abduction are no doubt down to a person such as Brueckner who has been described as climbing though windows to burgle tourist nick-knacks and who with premeditation entered at least one property with the intention of assaulting the occupant.
This he did.
Any ideas why the Portuguese cops did nothing about that or why it was left to the Germans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 05, 2020, 02:17:17 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 11:11:10 PM
Thanks but that article does not say anything to suggest that what he wrote was self incriminating. Or was that part of your post speculation?

Looking at the morning press, the narrative seems more along the lines of his boasting to a friend in a bar rather than anything self incriminating online. Thus far.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 03:00:19 AM
Snip
Brueckner is behind bars in Germany. But it was claimed that he could walk free within days, as he will become eligible for parole on Sunday.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337492


If true, that is the probable explanation for the police going public on Brueckner.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:26:00 AM
Latest news about Brueckner's girlfriend and his second abode in PdL...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390005/Police-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-underage-Kosovan-ex-lived-Praia-da-Luz.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390005/Police-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-underage-Kosovan-ex-lived-Praia-da-Luz.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:36:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:38:57 PM
Let’s hope both happen within a year.
Why do you hope this guy in particular is charged? I'd venture there is as much evidence against him as there is on some others close to this case, certainly not a hint of forensics in the frenzied brit press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:58:06 AM
Location of Brueckner's run-down farmhouse near PdL, centre of photo...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.093884,-8.7169856,73a,35y,39.56t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.093884,-8.7169856,73a,35y,39.56t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017)

Screenshots of Brueckner's second house (circled red, top right) and the McCann apartment (circled blue, bottom left) and a press photo of the entrance side...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 06:08:32 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:36:20 AM
Why do you hope this guy in particular is charged? I'd venture there is as much evidence against him as there is on some others close to this case, certainly not a hint of forensics in the frenzied brit press.
The Germans haven't revealed their full hand, obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:19:24 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 03:00:19 AM
Snip
Brueckner is behind bars in Germany. But it was claimed that he could walk free within days, as he will become eligible for parole on Sunday.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337492


If true, that is the probable explanation for the police going public on Brueckner.
That’s absurd - he’s only recently been banged up for rape and torture, how on earth can he be eligible for parole already?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:25:37 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:36:20 AM
Why do you hope this guy in particular is charged? I'd venture there is as much evidence against him as there is on some others close to this case, certainly not a hint of forensics in the frenzied brit press.
Obviously I only hope he is charged if there is strong evidence that he did it, evidence which I hope comes to light as part of this appeal.  Don’t you hope for similar?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:28:04 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:25:37 AM
Obviously I only hope he is charged if there is strong evidence that he did it, evidence which I hope comes to light as part of this appeal.  Don’t you hope for similar?
Why would this appeal produce anything more than what is known in the preceding 13 yrs,I've always been of the mind it'll end with no charges laid at any door,still nothing to suggest otherwise.Pessimism is the way to go,never disappointed that way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:30:02 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:19:24 AM
That’s absurd - he’s only recently been banged up for rape and torture, how on earth can he be eligible for parole already?

2/3rds of his sentence apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 08:35:58 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 03:00:19 AM
Snip
Brueckner is behind bars in Germany. But it was claimed that he could walk free within days, as he will become eligible for parole on Sunday.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337492


If true, that is the probable explanation for the police going public on Brueckner.

Not sure about that. He might be for the lesser charge of 18 months or whatever it was, but he could hardly have served 2/3 of a 7-year sentence for rape. The problem seems to be a legal issue over whether the in sentence for a rape in the Algarve can be upheld as he was extradited from Italy for the other charge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:28:04 AM
Why would this appeal produce anything more than what is known in the preceding 13 yrs,I've always been of the mind it'll end with no charges laid at any door,still nothing to suggest otherwise.Pessimism is the way to go,never disappointed that way.
This is the first time in 13 years there has been an appeal for information on this particular individual, unless I’m missing something?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:36:59 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:30:02 AM
About 11 yrs he's served so its not recently.
He was only found guilty of the rape last year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:36:59 AM
He was only found guilty of the rape last year.

There seems to be some confusion on when he was sentenced,its saying in the mail? yeh I know they're the best he's 2/3rds through his sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:41:02 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
This is the first time in 13 years there has been an appeal for information on this particular individual, unless I’m missing something?

Smithman? that appeal was made in 2014.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 08:41:40 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:19:24 AM
That’s absurd - he’s only recently been banged up for rape and torture, how on earth can he be eligible for parole already?

From Misty:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article227939701/Sieben-Jahre-Haft-wegen-brutaler-Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal.html&prev=search
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:41:02 AM
Smithman? that appeal was made in 2014.

There was also Tannerman and the Beckham / Ghislaine look-alike. However, those were unknown individuals at the time, whereas they're now seeking info about an identified person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 08:50:12 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:19:24 AM
That’s absurd - he’s only recently been banged up for rape and torture, how on earth can he be eligible for parole already?

My thoughts exactly.
Also given the seriousness of his crimes, he hasn't spent much time in jail for them, certainly not in Portugal where he led a bit of a charmed life for twelve years.

Amaral and his wife have been at pains to let us know what a selfless cop he was in the fight against drugs yet this guy was able to operate in that sphere right under his 'watchful' eye and to make a living as a burglar.
He must have been quite prolific if he was able to make a living from breaking into tourists houses ... nice Jaguar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 08:53:55 AM
i think what is highly significant is that he is has a history of burglary and child sexual assault...that is some coincidence. we will have to wait to see what other evidence the police have and what further evidence comes to light.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 08:56:16 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:28:04 AM
Why would this appeal produce anything more than what is known in the preceding 13 yrs,I've always been of the mind it'll end with no charges laid at any door,still nothing to suggest otherwise.Pessimism is the way to go,never disappointed that way.

That is a question better asked of the German ~ English and Portuguese police who for some strange reason according to you, have picked on a burglar who is a sex criminal who lived and was active near the McCann holiday accommodation on the night Madeleine was taken from her bed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:26:00 AM
Latest news about Brueckner's girlfriend and his second abode in PdL...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390005/Police-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-underage-Kosovan-ex-lived-Praia-da-Luz.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390005/Police-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-underage-Kosovan-ex-lived-Praia-da-Luz.html)

When did he live in each of those houses?

Monte Judeo is only about 5km from Figuera, where Joana disappeared in 2004 * the evening of a village fête...

Correction: she disappeared 12 September, 2004 (not 2005).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2020, 09:19:07 PM
An interesting and informative article here - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995

‘A witness who gave evidence at the rape trial said he had seen him “climb through open windows in one or another holiday flat”. The witness said Brückner told close friends how he went after “tourist shit” like cameras, video cameras, passports, wallets or loose change, sometimes entering apartments while the occupants were taking a siesta or during the night’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 08:50:12 AM
My thoughts exactly.
Also given the seriousness of his crimes, he hasn't spent much time in jail for them, certainly not in Portugal where he led a bit of a charmed life for twelve years.

Amaral and his wife have been at pains to let us know what a selfless cop he was in the fight against drugs yet this guy was able to operate in that sphere right under his 'watchful' eye and to make a living as a burglar.
He must have been quite prolific if he was able to make a living from breaking into tourists houses ... nice Jaguar.

In its ruling, the chamber followed the request of the public prosecutor's office: the 43-year-old had to serve a seven-year sentence if the ruling became final due to serious rape in conjunction with predatory extortion.

Included in this overall sentence is a one-year and nine-month criminal record issued by the Niebüll District Court in Schleswig-Holstein for trading in marijuana for the illegal drug market on Sylt.

The legal question surrounding whether the accused is still under the protection of the specialty principle after his extradition from Portugal to Germany means that he can only be prosecuted in Germany for the offense to which the European arrest warrant applied . In the case of the defendant, this warrant had been issued for another criminal trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 09:10:34 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 08:50:12 AM
My thoughts exactly.
Also given the seriousness of his crimes, he hasn't spent much time in jail for them, certainly not in Portugal where he led a bit of a charmed life for twelve years.

Amaral and his wife have been at pains to let us know what a selfless cop he was in the fight against drugs yet this guy was able to operate in that sphere right under his 'watchful' eye and to make a living as a burglar.
He must have been quite prolific if he was able to make a living from breaking into tourists houses ... nice Jaguar.


From the Guardian today - http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=post;quote=596464;topic=11585.420

" He said Brückner had lived in Portugal between 1995 and 2007. “According to our information during this time period, he had various casual jobs in the Lagos region, including in the hotel and catering industry,” Wolters said.

“There is further evidence that the suspect boosted his income with criminal acts, including break-ins in hotels and holiday flats, as well as through drug-dealing.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 09:12:28 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 08:56:16 AM
That is a question better asked of the German ~ English and Portuguese police who for some strange reason according to you, have picked on a burglar who is a sex criminal who lived and was active near the McCann holiday accommodation on the night Madeleine was taken from her bed.
Not forgetting the non imminent arrest's back in 2014,which led no where,strangely no one seems to have linked the three amigo's to him.

bolded bit,you've got him nailed at last,still puts paid to the romatic dream of being stolen to order cause of the sang real.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 09:13:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2020, 08:53:55 AM
i think what is highly significant is that he is has a history of burglary and child sexual assault...that is some coincidence. we will have to wait to see what other evidence the police have and what further evidence comes to light.

Following on from Misty's link
I think the information given to the German police is confirmed by the body hair found in the rape victim's bed which DNA testing proved to be his.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 09:15:30 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 05, 2020, 08:41:40 AM
From Misty:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article227939701/Sieben-Jahre-Haft-wegen-brutaler-Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal.html&prev=search

He is arguing on a technicality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 09:12:28 AM
Not forgetting the non imminent arrest's back in 2014,which led no where,strangely no one seems to have linked the three amigo's to him.

bolded bit,you've got him nailed at last,still puts paid to the romatic dream of being stolen to order cause of the sang real.

I don't have him 'nailed' the police do ... and hopefully the response to the public appeal made on behalf of Madeleine will result in returning evidence to assist them in furthering their case and getting to the truth.

There never was anything romantic or dreamlike about what happened to Madeleine all those years ago and I wonder at the jubilant tone of your post at the German police belief in the death of an innocent little girl.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 09:35:35 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 09:13:43 AM
Following on from Misty's link
I think the information given to the German police is confirmed by the body hair found in the rape victim's bed which DNA testing proved to be his.

Now, if the PJ forensics could just find the missing hairs that went AWOL from Madeleine's bed...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 09:50:38 AM
An interesting snippet here form the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-death-suspect-german-police-latest-a9548531.html#gsc.tab=0

"Local reports suggest he is the same man who was jailed for seven years in December for raping an American woman in Portugal in 2005."

Taken together with the claim about having served 2/3 of a sentence suggests that maybe the rape wasn't down to him.
Have German police stated that he was jailed for this rape ?

Also from the same article -

"German police said they first received information on the suspect in 2013 after an appeal by Gerry and Kate McCann on the country’s equivalent of Crimewatch.

BKA officer Christian Hoppe said it was not sufficient to trigger an investigation and “certainly not for arrest”, but police zoned in on the suspect after further details were given to the Metropolitan Police four years later."

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 09:10:34 AM

From the Guardian today - http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=post;quote=596464;topic=11585.420

" He said Brückner had lived in Portugal between 1995 and 2007. “According to our information during this time period, he had various casual jobs in the Lagos region, including in the hotel and catering industry,” Wolters said.

“There is further evidence that the suspect boosted his income with criminal acts, including break-ins in hotels and holiday flats, as well as through drug-dealing.”

Unfortunately, I don't understand much German, but I did pick up that he'd worked in the "gastronomy" sector. Not sure what that actually means: whether he was a waiter, washer-upper, beer salesman... ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:03:54 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 09:50:38 AM
An interesting snippet here form the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-death-suspect-german-police-latest-a9548531.html#gsc.tab=0

"Local reports suggest he is the same man who was jailed for seven years in December for raping an American woman in Portugal in 2005."

Taken together with the claim about having served 2/3 of a sentence suggests that maybe the rape wasn't down to him.
Have German police stated that he was jailed for this rape ?

Also from the same article -

"German police said they first received information on the suspect in 2013 after an appeal by Gerry and Kate McCann on the country’s equivalent of Crimewatch.

BKA officer Christian Hoppe said it was not sufficient to trigger an investigation and “certainly not for arrest”, but police zoned in on the suspect after further details were given to the Metropolitan Police four years later."

Jassi, I think there's some confusion over which sentence would theoretically allow him out. I reposted Misty's find just a bit further up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:03:54 AM
Jassi, I think there's some confusion over which sentence would theoretically allow him out. I reposted Misty's find just a bit further up.

I would agree. That's the problem when different reports give differing information - or even the same report.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 09:28:30 AM
I don't have him 'nailed' the police do ... and hopefully the response to the public appeal made on behalf of Madeleine will result in returning evidence to assist them in furthering their case and getting to the truth.

There never was anything romantic or dreamlike about what happened to Madeleine all those years ago and I wonder at the jubilant tone of your post at the German police belief in the death of an innocent little girl.
The police don't have him nailed,he's a suspect and should be treated as such,they want information that can either put the crime to him or rule him out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:16:07 AM
‘Before ''Christian B'' moved into the van, he lived for six years with a partner in a ramshackle hillside retreat close to the Black Rock peak above Praia da Luz beach.

Detectives fear a heavily scratched wooden post in the building may be where he chained victims’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 10:18:10 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:16:07 AM
‘Before ''Christian B'' moved into the van, he lived for six years with a partner in a ramshackle hillside retreat close to the Black Rock peak above Praia da Luz beach.

Detectives fear a heavily scratched wooden post in the building may be where he chained victims’.

Where does this information about the post come from, please ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:20:30 AM
This guy's alleged offences spanned both serious and less serious criminal activities.

The PJ was (is) responsible for anything of a serious criminal nature: violent break-ins, rape, drug trafficking, potentially criminal disappearances, murders...

Trying to get this timeline straight:

- Joana Cipriano disappeared without trace on 12 September from Figueira. 2004.

- The American lady was burgled, tortured, and raped somewhere in PdL in September 2005.

- Numerous girls (the known ones appear to have been British, although there may have been others) were sexually assaulted in the PdL area aroung this period.

- Madeleine disappears from PdL on the evening of 3 May 2007.

At the time, Amaral was the coordinator in charge of all of these. WTF was he doing?

ETA: Just typos corrected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:16:07 AM
‘Before ''Christian B'' moved into the van, he lived for six years with a partner in a ramshackle hillside retreat close to the Black Rock peak above Praia da Luz beach.

Detectives fear a heavily scratched wooden post in the building may be where he chained victims’.

That reminds me (from memory) of an account in Kate's book of someone telling her they'd seen a car going up towards the peak that night, and that the police had told her it would have been the police.


ETA: sorry, I think I was replying to a different bit of your post... so we may have crossed wires.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 10:18:10 AM
Where does this information about the post come from, please ?

https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-daily-mail/20200605/281547998117464
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-daily-mail/20200605/281547998117464

Thanks, but link doesn't work for me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:51:18 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-daily-mail/20200605/281547998117464

Hmmm. I wouldn't take all of that as fact - sounds like tabloid sensationalism with a few details thrown in for credibility.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 10:55:21 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 01:24:00 AM
I posted ... "Whatever happened to Madeleine wasn't a game ... I'm surprised you appear to be treating it as such."

Perhaps you could point out where I mentioned "exonerating the parents".  I didn't.  But you certainly appear to have recognised the facts of the matter without any prompting from me.

In my opinion you seem to be less than content that the emergence of a predator such as Christian Brueckner has highlighted the incompetence of the Portuguese police from Amaral's era as he indulged his twelve year Portuguese crime spree without let nor hindrance from them.

He hasn't been charged let alone tried but the horrific circumstances of Madeleine's abduction are no doubt down to a person such as Brueckner who has been described as climbing though windows to burgle tourist nick-knacks and who with premeditation entered at least one property with the intention of assaulting the occupant.
This he did.
Any ideas why the Portuguese cops did nothing about that or why it was left to the Germans.

You don’t have to mention ‘exonerating the parents’, it is implicit in every post you write.

Why is the past so important to you ? Thirteen years of intensive investigation has brought forward not one firm shred of evidence against Brueckner and that’s what’s important now. Undoubtedly he is a reptile of a man who deserves every hour of the custodial sentence he is serving, and more besides, but that does not make him guilty of this crime....and on the evidence already in the public domain a conviction will be almost impossible to obtain. Further it is worth pointing out that if the case against this man comes to nought the abduction theory is very much still that,  a theory.

Lastly, let me be crystal clear, if a lack of professionalism by any police force has allowed Brueckner to continue to commit the horrific abuse he undoubtedly carried out then they should rightly be criticised. The capture of offenders of this nature is far too serious a subject to play petty morality games with and shame on you for trying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:59:11 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:16:07 AM
‘Before ''Christian B'' moved into the van, he lived for six years with a partner in a ramshackle hillside retreat close to the Black Rock peak above Praia da Luz beach.

Detectives fear a heavily scratched wooden post in the building may be where he chained victims’.

The village where he lived until 2006 has been named as Monte Judeu, which is 30km from PdL?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 05, 2020, 11:12:36 AM
Brueckner also retained his prized 1993 Jaguar XJR6. Scotland Yard has now revealed that the day after Madeleine vanished, Brueckner re-registered the classic British car to someone else, even though he was still driving it.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 10:43:44 AM
Thanks, but link doesn't work for me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 11:19:13 AM
https://theworldnews.net/uk-news/police-link-jailed-paedophile-to-abduction-of-girl-aged-five-in-2015
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 11:21:56 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:59:11 AM
The village where he lived until 2006 has been named as Monte Judeu, which is 30km from PdL?

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 11:30:11 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 11:13:22 AM


The wooden pole and sofa referred to.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
The police don't have him nailed,he's a suspect and should be treated as such,they want information that can either put the crime to him or rule him out.

I think you've got it, by Jove!!

INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY.  A truly great maxim to live by at all times and under all circumstance; I am sure you will agree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 12:01:05 PM
From the Independent, today - https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/news-analysis/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-police-christian-brueckner-a9549776.html#gsc.tab=0

"This is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation,” said the officer overseeing the probe into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance. Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy was announcing what may be the most significant development in the 13-year mystery – or another dead end that could prove fatal for the inquiry.

The new suspect is a German man whose phone records show he was near the McCanns’ apartment shortly before Madeleine’s disappearance, and who has a history of child sex offences and burgling holiday resorts.

The man is in prison in Germany after being convicted of raping an American woman in Portugal a year and a half earlier, but officers need more evidence to charge him in relation to the McCann case.

He is already appealing his rape conviction and unless new witnesses come forward with critical details of the suspect’s movements in Portugal, and those of his campervan and Jaguar, the trail will go cold once more.
Thirteen years of investigation and £12.3m of funding have led up to this point, and if the latest lead again proves fruitless it could be the end of the probe.

While the McCann inquiry has stopped and started several times, if fresh evidence is not found and charges do not result against this suspect, it could be finished for good.

Portuguese police closed their original investigation in 2008 and progress stalled until 2011, when the Home Office paid for Scotland Yard to review the available evidence.

Two years later, it opened its own probe but in 2015 the team dedicated to it was cut from 29 officers to five after “genuinely new” lines of inquiry led nowhere."

Obviously Grange failed to recognise this man as a prime suspect at the time.

I wonder why this should be ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 12:08:20 PM
Quite a few posters here told us it was ridiculous to suggest a burglar would abduct a young child.. They were obviously wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 10:55:21 AM
You don’t have to mention ‘exonerating the parents’, it is implicit in every post you write.

Why is the past so important to you ? Thirteen years of intensive investigation has brought forward not one firm shred of evidence against Brueckner and that’s what’s important now. Undoubtedly he is a reptile of a man who deserves every hour of the custodial sentence he is serving, and more besides, but that does not make him guilty of this crime....and on the evidence already in the public domain a conviction will be almost impossible to obtain. Further it is worth pointing out that if the case against this man comes to nought the abduction theory is very much still that,  a theory.

Lastly, let me be crystal clear, if a lack of professionalism by any police force has allowed Brueckner to continue to commit the horrific abuse he undoubtedly carried out then they should rightly be criticised. The capture of offenders of this nature is far too serious a subject to play petty morality games with and shame on you for trying.

I live in the present and the present as far as Madeleine's case is concerned, is the current news coming from Germany ... you are the one who introduced long past examples of Portuguese police breaking every code possible in the conduct of Madeleine's case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 12:34:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 12:15:59 PM
I live in the present and the present as far as Madeleine's case is concerned, is the current news coming from Germany ... you are the one who introduced long past examples of Portuguese police breaking every code possible in the conduct of Madeleine's case.

I think you’ll find I did no such thing and I’m not going to engage with you in yet more of your petty point scoring so please move on.

The current news coming from Germany is......?

For me, I hope against hope that this man has anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance as, if so, her end must have been horrific. That anyone actively hopes that this is the culprit mystifies me entirely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 01:24:00 AM
I posted ... "Whatever happened to Madeleine wasn't a game ... I'm surprised you appear to be treating it as such."

Perhaps you could point out where I mentioned "exonerating the parents".  I didn't.  But you certainly appear to have recognised the facts of the matter without any prompting from me.

In my opinion you seem to be less than content that the emergence of a predator such as Christian Brueckner has highlighted the incompetence of the Portuguese police from Amaral's era as he indulged his twelve year Portuguese crime spree without let nor hindrance from them.

He hasn't been charged let alone tried but the horrific circumstances of Madeleine's abduction are no doubt down to a person such as Brueckner who has been described as climbing though windows to burgle tourist nick-knacks and who with premeditation entered at least one property with the intention of assaulting the occupant.
This he did.
Any ideas why the Portuguese cops did nothing about that or why it was left to the Germans.

You do it all the time - I agree with faithlilly

You go on about how bad the mccs are treated - How bad GA was.

IMO you put scorn on everyone but the mccs - who aRe the ones responsible for what happened in the first place.


You say you live in the present - so I guess Maddie well forgets about if that's the case B
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 12:34:21 PM
I think you’ll find I did no such thing and I’m not going to engage with you in yet more of your petty point scoring so please move on.

The current news coming from Germany is......?

For me, I hope against hope that this man has anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance as, if so, her end must have been horrific. That anyone actively hopes that this is the culprit mystifies me entirely.

Whatever happened to Maddie happened and no amount of hope will change that. I hope Maddie is still alive and living with a loving family... Unfortunately that's unlikely and its probably more likely that this man is responsible
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 12:40:05 PM
You do it all the time - I agree with faithlilly

You go on about how bad the mccs are treated - How bad GA was.

IMO you put scorn on everyone but the mccs - who aRe the ones responsible for what happened in the first place.


You say you live in the present - so I guess Maddie well forgets about if that's the case B

The McCanns were badly treated.  And GA was really bad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 12:40:05 PM
You do it all the time - I agree with faithlilly

You go on about how bad the mccs are treated - How bad GA was.

IMO you put scorn on everyone but the mccs - who aRe the ones responsible for what happened in the first place.


You say you live in the present - so I guess Maddie well forgets about if that's the case B

And I agree with Brietta.. How strange.... And I don't accept the McCann's are to blame.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 12:44:06 PM
The McCanns were badly treated.  And GA was really bad.

And Madeleine was the victim of both their inaction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 01:07:38 PM
‘Born in Bavaria in 1976, he was born Christian Fischer but was given up by his birth mother and placed in a children's home in Wuerzburg and was adopted by the Brueckner family as a baby, taking their name’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 05, 2020, 01:12:53 PM
The McCann's made very bad decisions, they thought it was safe to leave the children alone,  a friendly quiet holiday resort.  They were wrong.

The only person to blame for what happened to Madeleine is the person who abducted her.   To say the McCann's are to blame is a bit like saying you should have known some evil pervert would come and take your child when she is safe asleep in bed.   How many times have you read when a wife abuser has beaten his wife he says 'you made me do that'  she made him beat her because,  she looked at another man,  she didn't speak to him nicely,  she goes out too much,  she doesn't tell him where she's going,  she took too long at the shops etc etc.  Well did the McCann's make the abductor take Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 01:17:56 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 12:34:21 PM
I think you’ll find I did no such thing and I’m not going to engage with you in yet more of your petty point scoring so please move on.

The current news coming from Germany is......?

For me, I hope against hope that this man has anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance as, if so, her end must have been horrific. That anyone actively hopes that this is the culprit mystifies me entirely.

I think it is becomming more and more obvious that you appear to have been banging the wrong drum for a few years.  Reminds me a bit of Sandra Felgueiras's outrage that Amaral had systematically lied to her.

You obviously missed the bit where Scotland Yard have reiterated that they consider Madeleine as a missing person because there is no proof to the contrary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 12:40:05 PM
You do it all the time - I agree with faithlilly

You go on about how bad the mccs are treated - How bad GA was.

IMO you put scorn on everyone but the mccs - who aRe the ones responsible for what happened in the first place.


You say you live in the present - so I guess Maddie well forgets about if that's the case B

I would have been astounded if you had posted otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 05, 2020, 11:12:36 AM
Brueckner also retained his prized 1993 Jaguar XJR6. Scotland Yard has now revealed that the day after Madeleine vanished, Brueckner re-registered the classic British car to someone else, even though he was still driving it.

And others wiped their phone records and never informed the police of such actions when they handed them over within 24 hours of the disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 01:35:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 12:44:06 PM
The McCanns were badly treated.  And GA was really bad.

Whatever - but so was Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 01:17:56 PM
I think it is becomming more and more obvious that you appear to have been banging the wrong drum for a few years.  Reminds me a bit of Sandra Felgueiras's outrage that Amaral had systematically lied to her.

You obviously missed the bit where Scotland Yard have reiterated that they consider Madeleine as a missing person because there is no proof to the contrary.

It appears bizarre to me that Madeleine’s almost certain death at the hands of a paedophile, if Brueckner is guilty, is less worthy of comment to you than the opportunity it presents to crow about past events. Are you really as hardened to the suffering Madeleine must have gone through as you appear be ? Is the need to be right, no matter what the cost for Madeleine, really all that is driving you now ?


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 01:50:30 PM
Whats happened to the innocent till proven guilty - although a vile man

or is that just for the mccs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 01:50:30 PM
Whats happened to the innocent till proven guilty - although a vile man

or is that just for the mccs

The one thing that The McCanns largely didn't get.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 05, 2020, 01:59:59 PM
Pity the PJ didn't keep those cigarette buts found on the balcony of an apartment maybe the DNA would have matched this man.

Didn't two sisters say they saw two blonde men on the balcony of an empty apartment?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
The one thing that The McCanns largely didn't get.

Judging by the rabid brit press it's him alright.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 01:50:30 PM
Whats happened to the innocent till proven guilty - although a vile man

or is that just for the mccs

i havent seen one post here that has denied him the presumption of innocence but seen plenty denying the McCanns.
He may or may not be guilty...what information we have is that he was around at the time and had a history of burglary and sexual assaults against a child. it will be interesting what else is discovered
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 02:04:06 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 05, 2020, 01:12:53 PM
The McCann's made very bad decisions, they thought it was safe to leave the children alone,  a friendly quiet holiday resort.  They were wrong.

The only person to blame for what happened to Madeleine is the person who abducted her.   To say the McCann's are to blame is a bit like saying you should have known some evil pervert would come and take your child when she is safe asleep in bed.   How many times have you read when a wife abuser has beaten his wife he says 'you made me do that'  she made him beat her because,  she looked at another man,  she didn't speak to him nicely,  she goes out too much,  she doesn't tell him where she's going,  she took too long at the shops etc etc.  Well did the McCann's make the abductor take Madeleine?

Alleged to have abducted,its far from a done deal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 02:06:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 02:04:06 PM
Alleged to have abducted,its far from a done deal.

You don't seem concerned that amaral hasnt used the word allegedly and has promoted his opinion a sfact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 02:00:52 PM
Judging by the rabid brit press it's him alright.

I don't know if it is or not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2020, 02:03:31 PM
i havent seen one post here that has denied him the presumption of innocence but seen plenty denying the McCanns.
He may or may not be guilty...what information we have is that he was around at the time and had a history of burglary and sexual assaults against a child. it will be interesting what else is discovered

No history of kidnap or murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 02:09:23 PM
The mystery caller has been named as Diogo Silva. Number 351 916510683.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 02:04:06 PM
Alleged to have abducted,its far from a done deal.

All seems to stem from an alleged conversation between him and another guy.
Feel it's going to need something a lot harder than that to stand any chance of making it to court .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 02:18:57 PM
https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Haengen-Faelle-Maddie-und-Inga-zusammen-article21826687.html

Google translation

PANORAMA
FRIDAY JUNE 5TH 2020
Christian B. as a suspect
Are Maddie and Inga cases related?


In the past few days, a spectacular turn in the Maddie case has made the headlines. Years after the girl's disappearance, a German sex offender is now considered a suspect. He is also assumed to have a connection to another criminal case.

The Stendal public prosecutor is looking for possible connections between the case of Inga, who disappeared five years ago in Saxony-Anhalt, and the case of three-year-old Madeleine "Maddie" McCann from Great Britain. In connection with the suspicion in the Maddie case, it will be checked whether there are any indications of a connection and whether this leads to an initial suspicion against the suspect, said the public prosecutor in Stendal. No further details were given.

As the "Magdeburger Volksstimme" and "Der Spiegel" report, the suspect Christian B. lived near the then five-year-old Inga G at the time of the disappearance. The girl disappeared without a trace on a trip to Stendal-Wilhelmsdorf in May 2015. The media reports say that B. had lived in Neuwegersleben around 90 kilometers away at that time.
This connection had already been noticed by investigators in 2016 when they searched a neglected property in Neuwegersleben. There they came across buried dog bones and a USB stick with child pornography and pictures of the suspect B. In a caravan on the property, the officers would also have found clothes for girls, even though B. had no family.

According to the "Spiegel", the investigators assume that B. knew an employee of the diaconal house in question, from whose vicinity Inga had disappeared. In the files of the Stendal police, a chat history from September 2013 was also recorded, in which B. wrote to a friend that he wanted to "catch something small and use it for days". The acquaintance replied that this was dangerous. B. replied: "Oh, if the evidence is destroyed afterwards."

As the "Magdeburg Volksstimme" reports, criminologists have been tracking the 43-year-old since a 2013 broadcast of "Case number XY ... unresolved". A witness in the missing case of Maddie recognized a phantom image shown at the time and gave the indication that B. had lived in the Portuguese coastal town of Praia da Luz at the time of the crime in 2007. The then three-year-old had disappeared from an apartment complex there.

When the officials searched the property in Saxony-Anhalt in 2016, they also compared the traces found with those in the Inga case, according to the "Magdeburg Volksstimme". At the time, however, these did not lead to useful information. However, an insurance protocol of an accident that emerged later showed that Christian B. with the minibus of a friend at the time had a parking lot on the Autobahn 2 near Helmstedt on May 1 - a day before Inga disappeared. The place is about an hour away from the diaconal work in Wilhelmshof.


According to the report, Christian B. is said to have been on the Neuwegersleben site for a few hours a day until May 6, 2015. This is how witnesses described it. Neuwegersleben is near the A2. Nevertheless, the investigators at the time had not made any connections because they did not believe that B. would connect to the Diakonie grounds in the forest.

"We assume the girl is dead"

The 43-year-old is currently serving an old prison sentence in Kiel, which the district court in Niebüll had already imposed on him in 2011. It was about trading narcotics. In parallel, he is ordered to be held in custody on charges of rape. The district court in Braunschweig last sentenced him on December 16, 2019 to seven years in prison for serious rape, including previous punishments. In 2005, around a year and a half before Maddie's disappearance, he raped a 72-year-old American in Praia da Luz, Portugal. The judgment is not yet final, the revision is with the Federal Court of Justice.

According to "Spiegel", the criminal record of the man has a total of 17 entries. Around 27 years ago, in October 1993, the district court of Würzburg imposed a two-year juvenile sentence on the child, who was then still a minor, for "sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child and the conduct of sexual acts in front of a child", according to court documents.

On Wednesday evening, the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) and the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig surprisingly announced that the German was suspected of murder in the Maddie case. "We assume that the girl is dead," said the spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor, Hans Christian Wolters, on Thursday.

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It tears you apart to think that monster CB's face may have been the last she saw, without even imagining what he possibly subjected her to.
If CB is the perp he must have thought all his Christmases had come at once when he broke into a holiday apartment hoping to steal a few valuables & found 3 unsupervised young children sleeping.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 02:09:57 PM
All seems to stem from an alleged conversation between him and another guy.
Feel it's going to need something a lot harder than that to stand any chance of making it to court .

How did the police know that the phone call was suspicious if they  didn’t know who had made it, as they were appealing to the public to find out, or what the conversation was about ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 02:23:28 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 02:21:20 PM
How did the police know that the phone call was suspicious if they  didn’t know who had made it, as they were appealing to the public to find out, or what the conversation was about ?

Police are suspicious by nature  8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 02:09:23 PM
The mystery caller has been named as Diogo Silva. Number 351 916510683.

This may be him
https://pt.linkedin.com/in/diogo-silva-42766689

ETA I recall googling this guy some time ago in connection with someone else...can't remember why atm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 02:09:23 PM
The mystery caller has been named as Diogo Silva. Number 351 916510683.

Wasn't he mentioned a couple of pages ago concerning a witness statement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2020, 02:24:44 PM
This may be him
https://pt.linkedin.com/in/diogo-silva-42766689

Could be. He was a catering manager and the suspect did work in catering  when in Portugal

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
Could be. He was a catering manager and the suspect did work in catering  when in Portugal

Interesting photo......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2020, 02:24:44 PM
This may be him
https://pt.linkedin.com/in/diogo-silva-42766689

ETA I recall googling this guy some time ago in connection with someone else...can't remember why atm.

Can you please pm me the info, Misty?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 02:09:00 PM
No history of kidnap or murder.
I read today that he is reported to have told someone that he wished to kidnap a young child and use them over several days...if thats true i think that is significant. Dont bother saying w edon't know if its true...i've already said we need to wait for further information...
From the Mail today..

 chilling online chats reveal he wanted to 'capture something small and use it for days'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 02:35:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2020, 12:08:20 PM
Quite a few posters here told us it was ridiculous to suggest a burglar would abduct a young child.. They were obviously wrong


Thought you was waiting for the evidence - how do you know they were wrong.

Or have you got him charged already - something according to you you don't do

You just have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
The one thing that The McCanns largely didn't get.
 


Why should they when in my case don't believe they are innocent as yet nothing changed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:59:11 AM
The village where he lived until 2006 has been named as Monte Judeu, which is 30km from PdL?

I'm trying to work out where he lived and when.

Monte Judeu is barely 5 km from where Joana disappeared, when the the major local fiesta would have been in her village.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 02:44:13 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 02:35:43 PM

Thought you was waiting for the evidence - how do you know they were wrong.

Or have you got him charged already - something according to you you don't do

You just have.

You need to read and understand what I post. Is it ridiculous to suggest a burglar might abduct a child....no it isnt because here we have  a burglar who also has an interest in child abuse. That doesnt mean ive found him guilty...just that its possible and not  a ridiculous suggestion.

What is very relevant that it would be unusual to have a burglar who might also have a history of sexual abuse of children...the odds against are pretty high. Yet there was one in LUZ on the very night maddie was abducted...coincidence..maybe..maybe not
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 02:44:54 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 05, 2020, 11:12:36 AM
Brueckner also retained his prized 1993 Jaguar XJR6. Scotland Yard has now revealed that the day after Madeleine vanished, Brueckner re-registered the classic British car to someone else, even though he was still driving it.

Apparently to another German (unconfirmed). If so, why? The reason could be innocent or irrelevant, or it might not be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 02:55:43 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
 


Why should they when in my case don't believe they are innocent as yet nothing changed.

the McCanns are entitled to the presumption of innocence and to deny them that says more about you than them
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
Could be. He was a catering manager and the suspect did work in catering  when in Portugal
.

Exactly and the inept police could have investigated Diogo Silva before bringing it out. The circus is back in town!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
.

Exactly and the inept police could have investigated Diogo Silva before bringing it out. The circus is back in town!

Aided and abetted by the usual clowns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 03:23:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2020, 02:55:43 PM
the McCanns are entitled to the presumption of innocence and to deny them that says more about you than them

I don't leave my kids on there own and expect the world pays for it - that's what it tells you about me ....

Noting else D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 05, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
.How they missed this guy is beyond me!

Exactly and the inept police could have investigated Diogo Silva before bringing it out. The circus is back in town!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 03:33:05 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
.

Exactly and the inept police could have investigated Diogo Silva before bringing it out. The circus is back in town!

Ah yes, but the whole press release was based around the release of these phone numbers. If police had admitted that they already knew the identity of mystery man, they would have had no justification for announcing anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 02:21:20 PM
How did the police know that the phone call was suspicious if they  didn’t know who had made it, as they were appealing to the public to find out, or what the conversation was about ?
They didn’t say the phone call was suspicious, they wanted to find the other caller to question them as a witness who may have further information. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
Interesting photo......
Why?  Can’t see the profile as not signed in to linkedin.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 04:02:16 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect linked to separate missing girl case in Germany
June 05 2020, 12.01am
The main suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann may also have been involved in the unsolved disappearance of a five-year-old German girl in 2015, according to a lawyer for the child’s mother.

At the time Brückner, who has several previous convictions for sex crimes against children and is suspected by German police to have murdered Madeleine, was using a “dilapidated” property in the state, the Volksstimme, a newspaper from the nearby city of Magdeburg, reported this morning.

During a separate investigation into Brückner, police allegedly raided the house in February 2016, nine months after Inga’s disappearance, and found a memory stick containing footage of child abuse.

He was convicted of sexual offences against children the next year and spent 15 months in prison, but it is unclear whether the files from his Saxony-Anhalt property were used in the prosecution.

Petra Küllmei, a lawyer representing Inga’s mother, said that on the night the girl went missing the authorities had registered a car park accident involving Brückner on the A2 motorway near Helmstedt, roughly 50 miles away.

Ms Küllmei called for a new investigation into Inga’s case. “The files were closed only four weeks after the police started work,” she told the Volksstimme. “I don’t think that was very ambitious.”

Brückner, who was registered as living about 30 miles away in Braunschweig at the time, is reported to have visited the property at Neuwegersleben in Saxony-Anhalt for several hours each day until May 6, 2015, four days after Inga was reported missing.

The house was approximately 45 miles from the venue at Wilhelmshof, near Stendal, where Inga was last seen.

Met issues new appeal for information
Brückner allegedly had no alibi for the evening of her disappearance, but was not considered a suspect in the original investigation.

In a separate development the suspect was also said to have abused two young girls in his Bavarian home town, Würzburg, while he was still a teenager.

In 1994 Brückner was sentenced to two years in a young offender institution by a local court for sexual contact with children. In one of the incidents he abused a six-year-old girl in a playground before running away when she started to cry, Bild newspaper reported. He also allegedly dropped his trousers in front of a nine-year-old girl on a second occasion.

History of a sex offender
1992 Commits first known break-in.
1994 Given a two-year youth sentence for the sexual abuse of a child.
2005 Rapes and robs a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
May 3, 2007 He is in the resort on the night that Madeleine McCann vanishes. The next day he changes the ownership of his Jaguar to a different name.
2011 Found guilty in his absence of drug trafficking in Niebull, Germany, and sentenced to 21 months in prison.
2016 Jailed for abusing a girl and child abuse image offences.
2017 Extradited to Braunschweig. Jailed for 15 months for sexually abusing a child.
December 2019 Convicted of the 2005 rape and jailed for seven years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 04:05:42 PM
Would this house he was supposed to be using near PDL have been within the triangulation zone for this phone call ?

That aside, would police not be able to track his movements that night from phone mast pings ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 04:09:28 PM
Someone on this thread has accused others of hoping that this vile specimen is the man responsible for Madeleine’s abduction and murder.  This is a complete misrepresentation of the truth.  Some people hope that justice for Madeleine will soon be achieved, nothing more nothing less.  The idea that this man could have abducted Madeleine and kept her alive for days to torture and abuse her before killing her makes me sick to my stomach and if I had to choose between that scenario and the falling off a sofa after an overdose of Calpol theory, then obviously I would prefer the latter.  I wish people would not twist what is said to make wholly inaccurate and offensive remarks simply to call into question the morality of others, particularly when their own moral judgement has been highly questionable for years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 04:10:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 03:59:52 PM
Why?  Can’t see the profile as not signed in to linkedin.

You can if you mess about with the cartoon that comes up.  But you aren't missing anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 04:05:42 PM
Would this house he was supposed to be using near PDL have been within the triangulation zone for this phone call ?

That aside, would police not be able to track his movements that night from phone mast pings ?
presumably yes, assuming he hadn’t switched his phone off after the last call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 04:13:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 03:59:52 PM
Why?  Can’t see the profile as not signed in to linkedin.

I'm not on Linkedin either but can see it. Here it is..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2020, 04:13:18 PM
I'm not on Linkedin either but can see it. Here it is..

Gosh.  He looks like Gerry.  It must be him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2020, 04:13:18 PM
I'm not on Linkedin either but can see it. Here it is..
OMG, looks just like Gerry McCann!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 04:42:17 PM
Netflix documentary re-enactment: Could this be Christian Brückner?

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 04:42:17 PM
Netflix documentary re-enactment: Could this be Christian Brückner?
I don't think he would want to make himself stand out that much, unless he was a complete narcissist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 04:49:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 04:18:20 PM
Gosh.  He looks like Gerry.  It must be him.


Slightly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 05:08:39 PM
Another picture of Christian Brückner/Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:09:19 PM
Things go from bad to worse for Brueckner...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391315/Police-link-jailed-paedophile-abduction-girl-aged-five-2015.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391315/Police-link-jailed-paedophile-abduction-girl-aged-five-2015.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 05:14:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:09:19 PM
Things go from bad to worse for Brueckner...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391315/Police-link-jailed-paedophile-abduction-girl-aged-five-2015.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391315/Police-link-jailed-paedophile-abduction-girl-aged-five-2015.html)

I wonder if there is any significance in the fact that the German girl disappeared on the 2nd of May 2015?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 05:23:31 PM
COPS are readying to dig up land around two Portuguese lairs where Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B lived.

One home, a farmhouse, is just 25 minutes' walk from the hotel where the three-year-old went missing 13 years ago.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/11791823/madeleine-mccann-cops-dig-up-christian-b-lairs/amp/#click=https://t.co/HLh4MaNsMZ

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 05:14:59 PM
I wonder if there is any significance in the fact that the German girl disappeared on the 2nd of May 2015?
Celebrating the 8th anniversary?... but he missed it by a day..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 11:47:43 AM
I think you've got it, by Jove!!

INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY.  A truly great maxim to live by at all times and under all circumstance; I am sure you will agree.
yep,always have done,you obviously don't read my stance,person/s unknown removed Madeleine from 5a with out leaving a trace to her whereabouts,still seen nothing to change my mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:37:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 05:23:31 PM
COPS are readying to dig up land around two Portuguese lairs where Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B lived.

One home, a farmhouse, is just 25 minutes' walk from the hotel where the three-year-old went missing 13 years ago.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/11791823/madeleine-mccann-cops-dig-up-christian-b-lairs/amp/#click=https://t.co/HLh4MaNsMZ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/11791823/madeleine-mccann-cops-dig-up-christian-b-lairs/amp/#click=https://t.co/HLh4MaNsMZ)
It looks as if there's a well nearby, but maybe a bit too close for comfort if he lived there at the time.  I wonder if that one was ever searched...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.0944448,-8.7173044,57m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.0944448,-8.7173044,57m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:38:42 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:37:29 PM
It looks as if there's a well nearby, but maybe a bit too close for comfort if he lived there at the time.  I wonder if that one was ever searched...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.0944448,-8.7173044,57m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.0944448,-8.7173044,57m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017)

There were that many there it was impossible to search them all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 05:23:31 PM
COPS are readying to dig up land around two Portuguese lairs where Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B lived.

One home, a farmhouse, is just 25 minutes' walk from the hotel where the three-year-old went missing 13 years ago.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/11791823/madeleine-mccann-cops-dig-up-christian-b-lairs/amp/#click=https://t.co/HLh4MaNsMZ

The headline says about digging,nothing in the article does,only that the German authorities have been in contact.

“Judicial Police have confirmed they have been approached by German authorities in connection with the case and they will undoubtedly be prepared to carry out fresh searches in the hope of giving the McCanns closure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
The headline says about digging,nothing in the article does,only that the German authorities have been in contact.

“Judicial Police have confirmed they have been approached by German authorities in connection with the case and they will undoubtedly be prepared to carry out fresh searches in the hope of giving the McCanns closure.

Britain could send it's dogs across before they start digging.

Oh no, waste of time, of course, given as how we are told they are so unreliable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
Britain could send it's dogs across before they start digging.

Oh no, waste of time, of course, given as how we are told they are so unreliable

Are the Germans now the lead investigator's? given the suspect is of their nationality,also do Grange hand over their files or do they start over?

Still its early doors yet.

Investigations are in the early stages, with prosecutors saying they would check whether there were any indications of a connection between the disappearances. No further details were given

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/germany-probes-link-mccann-case-missing-german-girl-200605105318127.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 05:54:38 PM
I can imagine Grange being only too glad to pass the baton onto the Germans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 06:10:47 PM
Peel away the commentary,speculation and sensational bits,what is there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:50:27 PM
Are the Germans now the lead investigator's? given the suspect is of their nationality,also do Grange hand over their files or do they start over?

Still its early doors yet.

Investigations are in the early stages, with prosecutors saying they would check whether there were any indications of a connection between the disappearances. No further details were given

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/germany-probes-link-mccann-case-missing-german-girl-200605105318127.html

The Germans are only going to be interested in their man so won't be going back to the beginning and getting bogged down in 600 persons of no interest.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:15:15 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 05, 2020, 01:12:53 PM
The McCann's made very bad decisions, they thought it was safe to leave the children alone,  a friendly quiet holiday resort.  They were wrong.

The only person to blame for what happened to Madeleine is the person who abducted her.   To say the McCann's are to blame is a bit like saying you should have known some evil pervert would come and take your child when she is safe asleep in bed.   How many times have you read when a wife abuser has beaten his wife he says 'you made me do that'  she made him beat her because,  she looked at another man,  she didn't speak to him nicely,  she goes out too much,  she doesn't tell him where she's going,  she took too long at the shops etc etc.  Well did the McCann's make the abductor take Madeleine?

I stick with the woke, wandered and was run over theory as it is the only one with evidence to back it up. That puts the blame squarely back with the McCanns. No wonder supporters try to ridicule this theory so much, nobody else to blame you see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 06:10:47 PM
Peel away the commentary,speculation and sensational bits,what is there?

Zero. Not an arrest, not a charge....of course that may change but as of now zero hard evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:15:15 PM
I stick with the woke, wandered and was run over theory as it is the only one with evidence to back it up. That puts the blame squarely back with the McCanns. No wonder supporters try to ridicule this theory so much, nobody else to blame you see.

Is that the reason for grange  doing landscaping, some one disposed of remains on waste ground?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Does anyone know if the camper van found abandoned in Praia da Luz when Joana disappeared resembles the one used by Christian Brückner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 06:20:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:15:15 PM
I stick with the woke, wandered and was run over theory as it is the only one with evidence to back it up. That puts the blame squarely back with the McCanns. No wonder supporters try to ridicule this theory so much, nobody else to blame you see.

You stick with what you want but i'll stick with the current investigation with 3 countries police forces in agreement.
You do realise this man has form for burglaries via windows....and form for sexual assault on ayoung child
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 06:20:35 PM
I shall continue to hope that Madeleine is still alive and unharmed somewhere.  If no one minds, that is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 06:22:48 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 06:20:35 PM
I shall continue to hope that Madeleine is still alive and unharmed somewhere.  If no one minds, that is.

Why should one mind,we all have opinions you probably don't care for mine but tolerate them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 06:24:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2020, 06:20:16 PM
You stick with what you want but i'll stick with the current investigation with 3 countries police forces in agreement.
You do realise this man has form for burglaries via windows....and form for sexual assault on ayoung child

Not quite true,Germans say she's dead,Grange still no definitive evidence either way,the PJ are silent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:28:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:15:15 PM
I stick with the woke, wandered and was run over theory as it is the only one with evidence to back it up. That puts the blame squarely back with the McCanns. No wonder supporters try to ridicule this theory so much, nobody else to blame you see.
Why do you think the police in three countries aren’t pursuing this theory you set so much store by?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2020, 06:24:23 PM
Not quite true,Germans say she's dead,Grange still no definitive evidence either way,the PJ are silent.
You are in denial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:32:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2020, 06:20:16 PM
You stick with what you want but i'll stick with the current investigation with 3 countries police forces in agreement.
You do realise this man has form for burglaries via windows....and form for sexual assault on ayoung child

Has he murdered anyone to your knowledge?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:28:45 PM
Why do you think the police i. three countries aren’t pursuing this theory you set so much store by?

If it turns out that this German guy run her over, this will open a whole new chapter for the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 06:36:37 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:36:54 PM
No I reckon I'm good for few years yet, so on this occasion I must disappoint.

You can always put me on ignore and pretend I've gone @)(++(*

Oh if only the worked  8)><(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:41:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:35:22 PM
If it turns out that this German guy run her over, this will open a whole new chapter for the McCanns.
Don’t be utterly absurd (thanks for the warning btw).
Why am I not allowed to post an article from today’s Times?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:41:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:35:22 PM
If it turns out that this German guy run her over, this will open a whole new chapter for the McCanns.

And for a number of supporters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:42:52 PM
Any further attempts to take this thread off topic will be met with points awarded.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 06:43:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Does anyone know if the camper van found abandoned in Praia da Luz when Joana disappeared resembles the one used by Christian Brückner?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10352.msg499001#msg499001
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:41:49 PM
And for a number of supporters.
This is an idiotic statement.  If Madeleine was run over by a burglar / child rapist and her body removed from the scene of the crime how would that open a new chapter for the McCanns or their supporters?  You think the McCanns would be prosecuted because some piece of lowlife killed their daughter in a  RTA and hid her body?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:45:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:42:52 PM
Any further attempts to take this thread off topic will be met with points awarded.
Where can I post that article then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:45:02 PM
Where can I post that article then?

This thread is about the new suspect. If you want to post press articles about what Kate and Gerry do these days, by all means start a new thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:50:41 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:44:28 PM
This is an idiotic statement.  If Madeleine was run over by a burglar / child rapist and her body removed from the scene of the crime how would that open a new chapter for the McCanns or their supporters?  You think the McCanns would be prosecuted because some piece of lowlife killed their daughter in a  RTA and hid her body?

Because the blame would lie with them for leaving three children in an unsecured roadside apartment block.

I don't believe anyone entered that apartment that night. We know Tannerman was in fact an innocent tourist and wrong footed the entire investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:51:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:44:28 PM
This is an idiotic statement.  If Madeleine was run over by a burglar / child rapist and her body removed from the scene of the crime how would that open a new chapter for the McCanns or their supporters?  You think the McCanns would be prosecuted because some piece of lowlife killed their daughter in a  RTA and hid her body?

I'm sure a lot of supporters would be extremely disappointed to discover that she hadn't been stolen to order and enjoying a happy family life somewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 06:54:09 PM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2020, 06:43:55 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10352.msg499001#msg499001
Thank you, Misty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 06:55:57 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:51:43 PM
I'm sure a lot of supporters would be extremely disappointed to discover that she hadn't been stolen to order and enjoying a happy family life somewhere.

I most certainly would be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:57:47 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:51:43 PM
I'm sure a lot of supporters would be extremely disappointed to discover that she hadn't been stolen to order and enjoying a happy family life somewhere.

The place was like Piccadilly Circus that night what with guests wandering up and down the road and several others loitering around stairwells. No self respecting paedophile would have stood a chance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 06:59:06 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8392475/Maddie-McCann-suspect-sold-VW-campervan-2015-car-scrapyard.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

Revealed: German Maddie McCann suspect Christian Brueckner sold his VW campervan in 2015 to a car scrap yard on the Algarve for £5,000
Christian Breuckner, 43, sold Volkswagen T3 Westfalia van for £5,000 in 2015
His German compatriot ran an unofficial yard in the Silves area of the Algarve
Breuckner was reported to have been living in Silves when he disposed of van
It is the first time Breuckner has been linked with a town other than Praia da Luz
By PAUL THOMPSON and MARK DUELL FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 16:22, 5 June 2020 | UPDATED: 16:23, 5 June 2020

A campervan used by the new prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case was seized from a scrapyard run by another German, it was revealed today.

Christian Breuckner sold the Volkswagen van for £5,000 in 2015 to a German compatriot who ran an unofficial yard in the Silves area of the Algarve.

The 43-year-old German paedophile was also reported to have been living in Silves when he disposed of the T3 Westfalia campervan.


It is the first time Breuckner has been linked with another town other than Praia da Luz where Madeleine disappeared from 13 years ago on May 3, 2007.

The van is being kept in a secret location and the name of the German has not been released. It is also not known how police discovered the location of the vehicle.

Despite the discovery of the van, a forensic examination is not thought to have produced any link to Madeleine's disappearance.

It is not yet known how the van got from the scrapyard and into the possession of the police. 

The discovery in Silves was reported by Portuguese TV station SIC. The Silves area is around an hour from Praia da Luz inland from the popular tourist resort of Albufeira.

There is no suggestion the German who bought Breuckner's camper van is in any way involved in disapperance of Madeleine.

The van, with a white upper body and a yellow skirting and a Portuguese registration plate, is one of two vehicles police have flagged up in an appeal this week.

The other is a Jaguar model XJR 6, with a German number plate and registered in Germany.



Detectives say it is significant that the day after Madeleine's disappearance, Breuckner re-registered the car in someone else's name back in Augsburg, Germany, even though the vehicle had never left Portugal.

Former neighbours of Breuckner said he often slept in the van rather than return to one of two rented properties.

German prosecutors believe Madeleine is dead after she vanished from a resort while on holiday with her family, and are investigating Brueckner for her murder.

Scotland Yard's Operation Grange still considers the case a missing person inquiry because there is no 'definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead'. 


Breuckner allegedly confessed to his part in Madeleine's disappearance to a friend as they watched a TV news report on the 10th anniversary of her disappearance.

The suspect is reportedly serving a seven-year prison sentence in the German port city of Kiel for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal in 2005 after he was convicted of rape at Braunschweig District Court in December last year.

Der Spiegel reported his criminal record contains a total of 17 entries, including a conviction for the sexual abuse of a child in 1994 when he was aged 17, and a 2016 conviction for abusing another child and possession of child pornography.

The details emerged after authorities revealed a new suspect had been identified in Madeleine's disappearance as a fresh appeal was launched on Wednesday night.





Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
Does this piece of witness evidence now have more relevance (or is my geography awry?)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg133139#msg133139
Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #429 on: February 27, 2014, 11:25:27 PM »
Quote
Reply to Vixte's post re KM book
Quote
"4 May
A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra - the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to Rocha Negra, but nobody noticed any vehicle that far up in the day time, let alone in night..... I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dissmissive. It would have been one of GNR men checking the area, he said."
In the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 exactly so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:29:54 PM by pegasus »
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 07:10:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:57:47 PM
The place was like Piccadilly Circus that night what with guests wandering up and down the road and several others loitering around stairwells. No self respecting paedophile would have stood a chance.

If thats the case then why wasnt Maddie seen walking on her own.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:45:02 PM
Where can I post that article then?

Why would you want to post kmcc on a suspect thread anyway.un part Maddie mccan mystery disappearance

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
Is this the same camper van?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 07:12:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
Is this the same camper van?

No. The roof lines are completely different
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 07:14:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:32:44 PM
Has he murdered anyone to your knowledge?

it is highly possible that he has...why would this have to be his second or subsequent murder...it could well be his first
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 06:54:09 PM
Thank you, Misty.

This van is white and brown. Is it of any significance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 07:15:58 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:35:22 PM
If it turns out that this German guy run her over, this will open a whole new chapter for the McCanns.

are you really suggesting that maddie happened to be run over by a known sex offender with a history of burglary...that is some coincidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:17:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:50:41 PM
Because the blame would lie with them for leaving three children in an unsecured roadside apartment block.

I don't believe anyone entered that apartment that night. We know Tannerman was in fact an innocent tourist and wrong footed the entire investigation.
Whether she was run over or abdcuted by a paedo doesn’t alter the facts of what her parents did and didn’t do so it makes absolutely no difference IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2020, 07:10:19 PM
If thats the case then why wasnt Maddie seen walking on her own.

A small child runs out of the darkness into the street and is run over by a sex fiend in a jaguar car. It only takes seconds.

Maybe that's why he changed the registered owner of the vehicle the next day in case it was seen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:20:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:51:43 PM
I'm sure a lot of supporters would be extremely disappointed to discover that she hadn't been stolen to order and enjoying a happy family life somewhere.
I think anyone with a heart would be disappointed, even heartbroken to know for certain that Madeleine wasn’t still alive and happy living her life somewhere, I don’t think you really need to rub salt into those wounds - or maybe you do because you’re that sort of person?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 07:22:16 PM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
Does this piece of witness evidence now have more relevance (or is my geography awry?)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg133139#msg133139
Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #429 on: February 27, 2014, 11:25:27 PM »
Quote
Reply to Vixte's post re KM book
Quote
"4 May
A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra - the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to Rocha Negra, but nobody noticed any vehicle that far up in the day time, let alone in night..... I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dissmissive. It would have been one of GNR men checking the area, he said."
In the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 exactly so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:29:54 PM by pegasus »
Rocha Negra again.
Harrison on Rocha Negra.

An inhibiting factor is that since the disappearance of the child an old empty house adjacent to the Trig Point on the Rocha Negra has been demolished and all rubble removed, If she was concealed within this property the search would be unlikely to detect her now.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:23:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:17:39 PM
Whether she was run over or abdcuted by a paedo doesn’t alter the facts of what her parents did and didn’t do so it makes absolutely no difference IMO.

I disagree. Run over after getting out of an unsecured ground floor apartment will have consequences for her parents if that is what happened. The most the driver can be charged with is failing to report an accident, leaving the scene of an accident and illegal disposal of a deceased person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 07:23:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:20:13 PM
I think anyone with a heart would be disappointed, even heartbroken to know for certain that Madeleine wasn’t still alive and happy living her life somewhere, I don’t think you really need to rub salt into those wounds - or maybe you do because you’re that sort of person?

Anything else I can upset you over ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 07:24:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:19:39 PM
A small child runs out of the darkness into the street and is run over by a sex fiend in a jaguar car. It only takes seconds.

Maybe that's why he changed the registered owner of the vehicle the next day in case it was seen.

I'll go driving in my car,its not quite a Jaguar,only this time its a possibility.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:23:09 PM
I disagree. Run over after getting out of an unsecured ground floor apartment will have consequences for her parents if that is what happened. The most the driver can be charged with is failing to report an accident, leaving the scene of an accident and illegal disposal of a deceased person.

You don't think he is likely to admit it, do you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 07:27:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:19:39 PM
A small child runs out of the darkness into the street and is run over by a sex fiend in a jaguar car. It only takes seconds.

Maybe that's why he changed the registered owner of the vehicle the next day in case it was seen.

Yep up to Rocha Negra, dispose of then change registration just in case,possible?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 07:26:51 PM
You don't think he is likely to admit it, do you?

He would if linked and was facing life in prison for murder.

I hope forensics checked the front bumper and grill of the car for any DNA and not just the interior.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 07:26:51 PM
You don't think he is likely to admit it, do you?

Nope,three get outs if its him,silence,denial,or I ran her over and panicked cause of my previous,go on prove it mr prosecutor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:29:52 PM
He would if linked and was facing life in prison for murder.

I hope forensics checked the front bumper and grill of the car for any DNA and not just the interior.

Linking him is going to be the problem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:19:39 PM
A small child runs out of the darkness into the street and is run over by a sex fiend in a jaguar car. It only takes seconds.

Maybe that's why he changed the registered owner of the vehicle the next day in case it was seen.

and all those poeple ...it was like Picadilly Circus according to you...saw nothing. You need to look at the facts and see where the facts lead rather than try and make the facts fit your theory. You think your theory is supported by evidence....I don't see that. The evidence of the tracker dogs is far from conclusive imo and as i  recall the handler said as much. Dogs indicate possibilities...they dont prove anything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:01:02 PM
René Hasse

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11795498/madeleine-mccann-suspect-missing-schoolboy/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 08:08:19 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:01:02 PM
Renee Hasse

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11795498/madeleine-mccann-suspect-missing-schoolboy/

I thought he didn't go to Portugal until some time in 1997. This disappearance was in 1996

Ignore - he went in 1995
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:09:04 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:23:09 PM
I disagree. Run over after getting out of an unsecured ground floor apartment will have consequences for her parents if that is what happened. The most the driver can be charged with is failing to report an accident, leaving the scene of an accident and illegal disposal of a deceased person.
And what’s the most the parents can be charged with?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 07:23:27 PM
Anything else I can upset you over ?
I’d rather you didn’t but have no doubt you will continue to try your best to do so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:10:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 08:08:19 PM
I thought he didn't go to Portugal until some time in 1997. This disappearance was in 1996
Who knows?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 08:14:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:09:04 PM
And what’s the most the parents can be charged with?

The Portuguese Authorities have already stated that there was No Intent to neglect the children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 08:14:27 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:10:12 PM
Who knows?
Have corrected my post - he went in 1995
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 08:14:04 PM
The Portuguese Authorities have already stated that there was No Intent to neglect the children.
I know that, but Angelo seems to think it’s game over for the MCCanns an their supporters if this paedo ran over Madeleine prior to hiding her body.  Clearly this makes no sense whatsoever to any reasonable person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
Does this piece of witness evidence now have more relevance (or is my geography awry?)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg133139#msg133139
Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #429 on: February 27, 2014, 11:25:27 PM »
Quote
Reply to Vixte's post re KM book
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"4 May
A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra - the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to Rocha Negra, but nobody noticed any vehicle that far up in the day time, let alone in night..... I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dissmissive. It would have been one of GNR men checking the area, he said."
In the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 exactly so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:29:54 PM by pegasus »

Was it an unusual occurrence for cars to be on this hill ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:39:13 PM
Think about it.  The suspect, a known child abuser and rapist blabs to his mate about abducting and abusing Madeleine, police investigate him but it turns out he lied to his friend about the abduction and abuse and instead he accidentally knocked her over in the street.  What are the chances of that?   Plausible or highly unlikely??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 08:38:26 PM
Was it an unusual occurrence for cars to be on this hill ?
Obviously it was, or it would not have been remarked upon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 08:38:26 PM
Was it an unusual occurrence for cars to be on this hill ?
Yes, the time coincides with the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. The direction fits new information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
and all those poeple ...it was like Picadilly Circus according to you...saw nothing. You need to look at the facts and see where the facts lead rather than try and make the facts fit your theory. You think your theory is supported by evidence....I don't see that. The evidence of the tracker dogs is far from conclusive imo and as i  recall the handler said as much. Dogs indicate possibilities...they dont prove anything

Tracker dogs seldom get it wrong if they have a fresh scent to follow and a barefooted child leaves a solid trail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 08:59:34 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
Yes, the time coincides with the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. The direction fits new information.

Does that information connect someone to the top of that track?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 08:14:04 PM
The Portuguese Authorities have already stated that there was No Intent to neglect the children.

It will be a different story if their stupidity led to the child's death.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 09:03:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:39:13 PM
Think about it.  The suspect, a known child abuser and rapist blabs to his mate about abducting and abusing Madeleine, police investigate him but it turns out he lied to his friend about the abduction and abuse and instead he accidentally knocked her over in the street.  What are the chances of that?   Plausible or highly unlikely??

The police haven't revealed what he told his mate.  Now watch this space.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 08:55:52 PM
Tracker dogs seldom get it wrong if they have a fresh scent to follow and a barefooted child leaves a solid trail.

How do you know they followed a solid trail.. It could have been a trail laid, down the previous, day.. As I recall the handler advised caution on how to interpret the dogs actions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 09:01:31 PM
It will be a different story if their stupidity led to the child's death.

Of course it won't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 09:03:19 PM
The police haven't revealed what he told his mate.  Now watch this space.

I think that's what we should do rather than speculate, as you are doing.  The police are treating it as a murder investigation... Not a hit and run
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 09:08:15 PM
The tracker dogs followed Madeleine’s scent to a lamp post and a bit beyond. If the person who took Madeleine is Christian Brückner and as portrayed in the Netflix series, there should be a connection to the person who was observed by people who encountered him on the days prior?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: slartibartfast on June 05, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2020, 06:43:55 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10352.msg499001#msg499001

Quote
She said the man had short, curly brown hair and was about 40 years old.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 09:03:19 PM
The police haven't revealed what he told his mate.  Now watch this space.
Yes they have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 09:36:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 09:01:31 PM
It will be a different story if their stupidity led to the child's death.
No it won’t, being stupid is not against the law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
A according to the Mail the Met are being openly critical of the original investigation and also of the inaction now of the PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 09:47:02 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 10:04:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
A according to the Mail the Met are being openly critical of the original investigation and also of the inaction now of the PJ.
If anyone (apart from this suspect) needs to worry about current developments it’s certainly not the McCanns - it’s obviously going to be a complete disaster for Amaral and his sycophants if it turns out this guy took Madeleine..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
A according to the Mail the Met are being openly critical of the original investigation and also of the inaction now of the PJ.

It's a bit late now for The PJ to try and muscle in.  They had him for twelve years and don't appear to have known anything about his activities prolific though they were.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 10:10:24 PM
It's a bit late now for The PJ to try and muscle in.  They had him for twelve years and don't appear to have known anything about his activities prolific though they were.
On the contrary he appears to have been an early potential suspect that they quickly wrote off for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 09:47:02 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

Thanks.

Christian Brueckner was in the sights of Portuguese detectives within five days of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

A nanny who looked after the toddler at the resort where she went missing said she was shown the German paedophile’s photo and told his name by investigating officers.

It came on May 8, 2007 – five days after Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 09:47:02 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

I see the media are going completely over the top. Afaik Bruceckner lived 30km from PdL, so saying the American lived half a mile from there means she didn't live in PdL.

Christian Brueckner, in jail for raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, is a key suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who vanished in May 2007...

Brueckner raped, beat and robbed the American woman at her flat, which was about half a mile from the house he was living in at the time, the court heard.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-climbed-through-22144222



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 10:24:45 PM
Thanks.

Christian Brueckner was in the sights of Portuguese detectives within five days of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

A nanny who looked after the toddler at the resort where she went missing said she was shown the German paedophile’s photo and told his name by investigating officers.

It came on May 8, 2007 – five days after Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

I wonder who that nanny was? Were her initials CP?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:27:12 PM
I see the media are going completely over the top. Afaik Bruceckner lived 30km from PdL, so saying the American lived half a mile from there means she didn't live in PdL.

Christian Brueckner, in jail for raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, is a key suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who vanished in May 2007...

Brueckner raped, beat and robbed the American woman at her flat, which was about half a mile from the house he was living in at the time, the court heard.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-climbed-through-22144222
Do you have a cite for your claim that he was living 30km from PdL?  That is not what I have read in numerous reports.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:43:42 PM
Looking at the demeanor and eyes of Bridger (April Jones) and Christian Brückner. I realise it is unrelated but no emotion.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:31:00 PM
I wonder who that nanny was? Were her initials CP?

I didn't see a name but find past daily mirror nanny reports and you may find a name.

I like you think that it is probably Charlotte P.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2020, 10:57:36 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 10:49:16 PM
I didn't see a name but find past daily mirror nanny reports and you may find a name.

I like you think that it is probably Charlotte P.
Ooh, another little conspiracy brewing there I see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 11:38:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 10:36:06 PM
Do you have a cite for your claim that he was living 30km from PdL?  That is not what I have read in numerous reports.

I did put a question mark. I think I've found it now, 8km from Luz and he left there in 2006 anyway;

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Luz+Ocean+Club+(Garden+Swimming+Pool),+Rua+Jos%C3%A9+Ribeiro+Lopes,+Lagos,+Portugal/Monte+Judeu+(Escola+Velha),+Portugal/@37.1053306,-8.7257383,13z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0xd1b313da147a849:0x563016c8decffc18!2m2!1d-8.7310383!2d37.0882845!1m5!1m1!1s0xd1b3092b69d8197:0xbe44b8ac2bdb1384!2m2!1d-8.716233!2d37.126341!3e0

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389759/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-posed-Jaguar-driving-playboy-actually-drug-dealing-drifter.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 11:43:42 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 10:24:45 PM
Thanks.

Christian Brueckner was in the sights of Portuguese detectives within five days of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

A nanny who looked after the toddler at the resort where she went missing said she was shown the German paedophile’s photo and told his name by investigating officers.

It came on May 8, 2007 – five days after Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

It seems Brueckner’s name was passed to OG in 2012.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 11:38:07 PM
I did put a question mark. I think I've found it now, 8km from Luz and he left there in 2006 anyway;

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Luz+Ocean+Club+(Garden+Swimming+Pool),+Rua+Jos%C3%A9+Ribeiro+Lopes,+Lagos,+Portugal/Monte+Judeu+(Escola+Velha),+Portugal/@37.1053306,-8.7257383,13z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0xd1b313da147a849:0x563016c8decffc18!2m2!1d-8.7310383!2d37.0882845!1m5!1m1!1s0xd1b3092b69d8197:0xbe44b8ac2bdb1384!2m2!1d-8.716233!2d37.126341!3e0

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389759/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-posed-Jaguar-driving-playboy-actually-drug-dealing-drifter.html
So definitely not 30 km away, thanksfor confirming that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 12:20:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 10:36:06 PM
Do you have a cite for your claim that he was living 30km from PdL?  That is not what I have read in numerous reports.

Nor me.  But it is all a bit of a mess with repeated mistakes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 12:57:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 08:50:12 AM
My thoughts exactly.
Also given the seriousness of his crimes, he hasn't spent much time in jail for them, certainly not in Portugal where he led a bit of a charmed life for twelve years.

Amaral and his wife have been at pains to let us know what a selfless cop he was in the fight against drugs yet this guy was able to operate in that sphere right under his 'watchful' eye and to make a living as a burglar.
He must have been quite prolific if he was able to make a living from breaking into tourists houses ... nice Jaguar.

Exactly what I had been thinking Brie.   Amaral was the main Drugs Cop, yet, over the years, Amaral never raised an eyebrow over this drug dealing guy.   I wonder how he missed him?   Brueckner certainly had lived a charmed life in Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 01:12:56 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 05, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
When did he live in each of those houses?

Monte Judeo is only about 5km from Figuera, where Joana disappeared in 2004 * the evening of a village fête...

Correction: she disappeared 12 September, 2004 (not 2005).

Yes, and there was reportedly a white and brown camper van, with a man in it, parked in Figueira for a few days.   That suddenly vanished after Joana went missing.   It was found in a field in PdL.   

Also, locals noticed a black saloon car driving around Figueira in the period before Joana went missing.


Brueckner had a black Jaguar saloon.
Brueckner had a white and yellow camper van
Breuckner did up cars for sale.  It would be easy to change the brown to yellow for such a man.

I wonder, only wonder, could he have been involved in the abduction of Joana Cipriano?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 01:41:20 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:57:42 AM
‘A witness who gave evidence at the rape trial said he had seen him “climb through open windows in one or another holiday flat”. The witness said Brückner told close friends how he went after “tourist shit” like cameras, video cameras, passports, wallets or loose change, sometimes entering apartments while the occupants were taking a siesta or during the night’.

I spotted that too, Anthro, yet nothing was taken from 5A except for Madeleine.

If he was involved, did Brueckner go in there, or was he a look out/ get away driver?

I don't think that he was Tannerman or Smithman
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 06, 2020, 01:48:32 AM
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5672668/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b-is-man/

Nick ParkerBen Leo
5 Jun 2020, 21:39Updated: 5 Jun 2020, 21:45
A KEY Madeleine McCann case witness has sensationally identified suspect Christian B as the man she saw acting suspiciously outside the McCanns’ apartment.

When shown a picture of  the paedophile, the British woman — quizzed at the time of the abduction — said: “That’s the man I saw.”
She has been left “chilled” by revelations putting the convicted child sex fiend at the centre of the case.

The woman reported the sighting within hours of three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance on May 3, 2007, and has always been viewed as a credible witness.

Her confirmation came amid claims of glaring blunders by Judicial Police feared to have let the beast cheat justice.

The Sun understands from another British witness that Portuguese detectives circulated a photograph of Christian B years ago but failed to act.

The second woman saw the image in 2007, and also confirmed it was a man she had seen behaving bizarrely in the days after Madeleine went missing.
A Portuguese investigative source said: “It would appear Christian B's name and background were known to police all along.

“They showed his picture to at least one witness who positively identified him near the scene yet nothing appears to have been followed up.

“It beggars belief that the McCanns have been allowed to endure so much pain for so long.

“The Judicial Police appear to have been more interested in pinning the blame on them rather than acting on clear evidence.”

A Sun trawl of witness statements all pointed to a man matching the paedophile's description.

A man and van like his were spotted several times before Madeleine went missing from the Ocean Club apartment in Praia da Luz.

Archived statements also describe a tall, slim, white man staring at the block days before she vanished.

Tasmin Sillence, 12 at the time, told police she saw a white man in dark glasses with his gaze fixed on the complex.

Moments later, she looked up and saw a girl around Madeleine’s age on a sun deck in the same block.

Tasmin provided police with the photofit picture circulated at the time which bears a striking resemblance to Christian B, 43.

She told Judicial Police she was walking to school at 8am on April 30 when she first saw the man at the rear of the family’s apartment.

Her statement said the man was staring at the empty balcony.

On May 2, she saw the same man on her way back from a supermarket.

Police records state: “She saw the man, this time in front of the Ocean Club reception, once more looking at Madeleine’s house.”

Tasmin, who is British and is still believed to live in the area, described the man as light-skinned, and around 5ft 9in, clean-shaven with short, possibly blond hair.
She added that his face was pockmarked, he looked “ugly” and was casually dressed and wearing large-framed sunglasses.

Carole Tranmer, 72, gave Portuguese and Leicestershire police a description which uncannily matched that of Christian B in 2008.

She was visiting a property in the Ocean Club block when she spotted a suspicious blond man as he left a garden hours before Madeleine vanished on May 3.

She told police: “I would recognise him. It was his furtiveness that called my attention.

“I saw someone leave the apartment of the first floor, closing the gate very gently. It appeared very strange.

“He did this as though he wanted to make the minimum amount of noise, that is stealthily, and as if he did not want anyone to know that he was coming or going.

“He was 30 to 35, light-skinned, no freckles, he was not sunburned, he was not dark, he was a light colour.”

Police are also probing claims that suspect Christian B may have had an accomplice.

Derek Flack, from Essex, provided a statement after spotting a dark-skinned man acting suspiciously on May 2 or 3 opposite another man with a white van.

The pair were yards from Madeleine’s flat when they were seen by Mr Flack and his wife.

Judicial Police statements provided by Mr Flack said he saw a dark-skinned man with stubble and short dark hair in a yellow T-shirt.

The man was “was standing at the corner of the path watching in the direction of the apartment that Madeleine would later disappear from.”

Mr Flack said the man’s van was possibly an Opel.
Christian B, jailed for the rape of a 72-year-old woman in Praia 18 months before Madeleine vanished, is described by German police as pale, blond and 6ft.

At the time of her disappearance, he was seen driving a VW T3 Westfalia Camper van, as well as a grey Jaguar.

The statements support German prosecutors’ claims that Madeleine may have been stalked for at least four days.

Police stepped up the hunt for the mystery caller who phoned Christian B for 30 minutes on the night of the snatch. The caller’s number was registered to the Portuguese name Diogo Silva.

Christian B also had a long history of petty crime including burglary and drug dealing.

In April 2007, two burglaries were reported in Block Five at the Ocean Club.

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There are a few inaccuracies in the above report & the possible "accomplice" sighting by Derek Flack was 99% certainly an OC employee (clue-yellow t-shirt).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 01:57:06 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
That reminds me (from memory) of an account in Kate's book of someone telling her they'd seen a car going up towards the peak that night, and that the police had told her it would have been the police.


ETA: sorry, I think I was replying to a different bit of your post... so we may have crossed wires.

That route goes past Freuds villa and on along a rough track to the house where Brueckner mainly lived it seems.    On GE the track seems fairly narrow and it might not have been wide enough for a car at its northern end.  Perhaps someone local will know.  It certainly is wide enough right up to and beyond that gorgeous curved villa half way up to the Geological point that Kate and Gerry ran to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 02:19:29 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 11:21:56 AM


The villa, Escola Velha, where Brueckner lived [partly] is just 1.3 miles, crow flies, from the centre of Portelas where SIL lives.  Almost nothing in between the two places except an odd farm building and lots of fields

It is on the M535-1 on the RHS going from Portelas in a westerly direction.  Looks a nice property.


Pity SIL isn't here.  He might be able to enlighten us on some of our questions.

I wonder if he got wind of this Brueckner the day he left the forum?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 03:28:34 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
Is this the same camper van?

Well if it is, then the colour lower down has been changed to white … and an additional layer has been added to the roof for some reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 06, 2020, 05:38:13 AM
Quote from: sadie on June 06, 2020, 01:41:20 AM
I spotted that too, Anthro, yet nothing was taken from 5A except for Madeleine.

If he was involved, did Brueckner go in there, or was he a look out/ get away driver?

I don't think that he was Tannerman or Smithman
There doesn't appear to be any forensics to link him,IMO he never went near the place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2020, 06:42:50 AM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
Does this piece of witness evidence now have more relevance (or is my geography awry?)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg133139#msg133139
Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #429 on: February 27, 2014, 11:25:27 PM »
Quote
Reply to Vixte's post re KM book
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"4 May
A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra - the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to Rocha Negra, but nobody noticed any vehicle that far up in the day time, let alone in night..... I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dissmissive. It would have been one of GNR men checking the area, he said."
In the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 exactly so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:29:54 PM by pegasus »

That's the bit I was thinking of. Thanks Misty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 06, 2020, 07:07:54 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:39:13 PM
Think about it.  The suspect, a known child abuser and rapist blabs to his mate about abducting and abusing Madeleine, police investigate him but it turns out he lied to his friend about the abduction and abuse and instead he accidentally knocked her over in the street.  What are the chances of that?   Plausible or highly unlikely??


I’ve never heard of one hit&run where the driver has put the body INSIDE their car to allow blood/DNA all inside it, and then dumped the body elsewhere.

Hit & run drivers speed off and hide their cars.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 06, 2020, 07:29:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:57:47 PM
The place was like Piccadilly Circus that night what with guests wandering up and down the road and several others loitering around stairwells. No self respecting paedophile would have stood a chance.

So that rules out the McCann’s who had no transport, interrupting their evening meal — dashing in to murder Madeleine whilst she slept — for no reason whatsoever — then carried her out dead into “Piccadilly Circus”, looked for a good spot to bury her, dug the ground up with a plastic seaside bucket & spade , trampled the ground flat...ran back to wash their hands and arms, then walked calmly back inside the Tapas Bar rejoining their friends and started tucking back into their Tapas, sipping wine, chatting and laughing with their group, cool as cucumbers...

Besides everything else, why would any parents have IVF because they wanted children so very much decide to take them all to Portugal to kill the eldest? And kill her mid-meal when they’re all relaxing? Why not “accidentally “drown her?
Why not go on a day trip and “lose” her somewhere? Why not push her over on the stone ground fracturing her skull as though she’d slipped?

Why does anyone even think they’d have wanted to kill her?!

They were a normal, happy family. Educated, good careers, comfortably off...why on earth would they have wanted to kill the daughter they’re tried so desperately hard to have?!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 08:30:47 AM
Madeleine McCann suspect, Christian Brückner, filmed sex attacks
June 04 2020, 5.00pm
A video cassette found at the farmhouse in Praia da Luz showed him raping a 72-year-old American woman in 2005 after he broke into her villa less than a mile from the McCann family’s holiday apartment. The video also showed a woman aged 15 to 20 tied up who was forced to perform a sex act. He also filmed an attack on a third woman aged between 45 and 50.

Brückner’s violent offending, paedophile conviction in Germany before he moved to the Algarve and his history of stealing from local hotel rooms and rental properties have raised questions about why he had not been a prime suspect earlier in the Madeleine McCann investigation.

Graham Hill, a child abuse detective sent to help the Portuguese police in 2007, told The Times: “One of the first tasks in an abduction is to list local sex offenders. You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to work that out. If they did that, they would work out there was a German guy with a child sex offence history who has done burglaries. They should have been able to say he was a viable suspect. So why would it take 13 years?”

Dr Hill, who is now a criminologist, told The Conversation website that the Portuguese approach was “flawed and not fit for purpose” from the beginning.

Operation Grange, the Met’s inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance, was given Brückner’s name years before the witness tip-off in 2017 elevated him to prime suspect. However, he was not among 600 persons of interest. Dr Hill said: “In time, there’s going to be some questions asked about why this person didn’t come to the fore of both investigations sooner.”

Brückner and an English girlfriend had lived in the farmhouse about a mile from the McCanns’ holiday apartment until mid-2005. He remained there alone until he was jailed for theft in April 2006. Before he was jailed he claimed to have bought 25 “English passports” for €1,000 which he planned to sell for €2,000.

He was released in December 2006 and returned to Praia da Luz and lived in his VW camper van.

Witnesses have described seeing a man matching Brückner’s description monitoring the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were staying in the days before Madeleine disappeared. Some witnesses believe that he may have had an accomplice who was driving a van similar to his VW camper.

Brückner left Portugal shortly after Madeleine disappeared and returned to Germany with an English-speaking girlfriend. He had a lot of cash, which he told friends that he had found during a burglary on the Algarve.

He continued to spend a lot of time in Portugal and is believed to have had a property in the Silves area, inland from Praia da Luz. In 2015 he sold the VW T3 Westfalia to the German owner of a breakers yard in Silves, where it was found by police last year. The yard owner said that he had met Brückner several times and they talked about classic cars and vans. “We had that same passion,” he said. “The guy seemed normal and I never thought I’d see his face as a suspect in this famous case.”

Brückner fled back to Portugal in 2016 while facing prosecution in Germany for sexually abusing a child. He was extradited in June 2017 and spent 15 months in prison.

The rape of the American woman who had been threatened with a “scimitar” with a 30cm blade remained unsolved until the burglar who found the video contacted German police in 2018. They alerted the Portuguese authorities who matched Brückner’s DNA to the rape.

The victim had returned to the United States and was too traumatised to give evidence at the trial, at the end of which, in December last year, Brückner was sentenced to seven years in prison.

Brückner had arrived in Portugal in 1995 after fleeing a jail sentence in Germany for the sexual abuse of children. He sold advertisements for newspapers and worked for a company selling awnings and pool covers.

He moved to Praia da Luz to start his own pool business. When that failed he began importing used German cars to sell and worked as a waiter in the nearby town of Lagos. In 2005 he was fined for assaulting a police officer.

Analysis
The news that the prime suspect has been under the noses of police for 13 years raises the most serious questions yet about the bungled inquiry.

Portuguese police have been criticised for their errors in the hours after Madeleine McCann vanished, including failing to seal off her holiday apartment properly, examine CCTV film and send crucial evidence for analysis. The decision to eliminate Christian Brückner from their inquiries in 2008, despite his convictions for burglary and child sexual offences, could prove the most fateful. Any forensic science chances to link him to the case are likely to be gone, and he has abused other children.

There are questions for the Metropolitan Police, too, which was given Brückner’s name years before the witness tip-off in 2017. British officers also long regarded a botched burglary as a credible theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 06, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
The American woman's rented villa 'Casa Jacaranda' with 'WET' tiled on the pool floor, close to PdL beach...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0871204,-8.7246351,76a,35y,39.58t/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0871204,-8.7246351,76a,35y,39.58t/data=!3m1!1e3)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:04:28 AM
This is a Portuguese Investigation.  As we have been frequently reminded.  Operation Grange had No Jurisdiction.  They weren't even allowed to interview anyone.  So how could they pursue anything independently?

Meanwhile, this supposed Suspect was locked up in Germany and only Portugal had the Legal Right to approach this person.  Who will charge him if there is sufficient evidence and where will he be tried?  Will he be made Arguido with a right to refuse to answer any questions?

It's not looking good, Folks.

God, what a mess.  Portugal had tabs on him in the beginning and decided that he wasn't involved despite 12 Years of criminal activity.  Did Portugal even interview him?

And I think we can kiss goodbye to any Forensics after all this time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 09:07:28 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 06, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
The American woman's rented villa 'Casa Jacaranda' with 'WET' tiled on the pool floor, close to PdL beach...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0871204,-8.7246351,76a,35y,39.58t/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0871204,-8.7246351,76a,35y,39.58t/data=!3m1!1e3)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html)
So when Holly claimed the rapist and victim were known to each other and lived just down the lane from each other that was false. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 06, 2020, 09:09:11 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:04:28 AM
This is a Portuguese Investigation.  As we have been frequently reminded.  Operation Grange had No Jurisdiction.  They weren't even allowed to interview anyone.  So how could they pursue anything independently?

Meanwhile, this supposed Suspect was locked up in Germany and only Portugal had the Legal Right to approach this person.  Who will charge him if there is sufficient evidence and where will he be tried?  Will he be made Arguido with a right to refuse to answer any questions?

It's not looking good, Folks.

God, what a mess.  Portugal had tabs on him in the beginning and decided that he wasn't involved despite 12 Years of criminal activity.  Did Portugal even interview him?

And I think we can kiss goodbye to any Forensics after all this time.

His ex underage girlfriend may have some information which she would have been frightened to divulge... If she's guaranteed protection she may speak... Just have to be found first
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 09:24:54 AM
Quote from: sadie on June 06, 2020, 01:12:56 AM
Yes, and there was reportedly a white and brown camper van, with a man in it, parked in Figueira for a few days.   That suddenly vanished after Joana went missing.   It was found in a field in PdL.   

Also, locals noticed a black saloon car driving around Figueira in the period before Joana went missing.


Brueckner had a black Jaguar saloon.
Brueckner had a white and yellow camper van
Breuckner did up cars for sale.  It would be easy to change the brown to yellow for such a man.

I wonder, only wonder, could he have been involved in the abduction of Joana Cipriano?

As is normal in such cases Brueckner is being checked out for missing children cases in areas where he is known to have been.  In Portugal at the moment the little german boy who vanished from a beach, René Hasee. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393361/Police-link-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-disappearance-schoolboy-6.html  As a native German there would have been no language barrier and René  could have been enticed away with ease.

I believe Joana Cipriano's case is one that British detectives have long associated with Madeleine's disappearance because of the proximity of Figueira  and Luz, the missing girls and the abandoned vehicle.
I am sure it should be looked at again although the difficulty here for the Portuguese is that Joana's case was officially 'solved' by Amaral who was convicted of perjury for covering up the horrific torture of Joana's mother, Leonor. Who had a 'confession' beaten out of her and has just recently been released from a long prison sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 06, 2020, 09:25:10 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 09:07:28 AM
So when Holly claimed the rapist and victim were known to each other and lived just down the lane from each other that was false.
I've no idea where she dug that one up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 06, 2020, 09:25:46 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:04:28 AM
This is a Portuguese Investigation.  As we have been frequently reminded.  Operation Grange had No Jurisdiction.  They weren't even allowed to interview anyone.  So how could they pursue anything independently?

Meanwhile, this supposed Suspect was locked up in Germany and only Portugal had the Legal Right to approach this person.  Who will charge him if there is sufficient evidence and where will he be tried?  Will he be made Arguido with a right to refuse to answer any questions?

It's not looking good, Folks.

God, what a mess.  Portugal had tabs on him in the beginning and decided that he wasn't involved despite 12 Years of criminal activity.  Did Portugal even interview him?

And I think we can kiss goodbye to any Forensics after all this time.

IMO it might be enough for closure though. K&G for the first time don't seem so insistent that there is no evidence that MM is dead. Clarence even talked about "closure". The German guy can be rightly exposed in the press for his sickening crimes so the armchair detectives then have him banged to rights, in their heads, for the alleged abduction and murder of MM. Case closed in the collective consciousness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:33:50 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 06, 2020, 09:25:46 AM
IMO it might be enough for closure though. K&G for the first time don't seem so insistent that there is no evidence that MM is dead. Clarence even talked about "closure". The German guy can be rightly exposed in the press for his sickening crimes so the armchair detectives then have him banged to rights, in their heads, for the alleged abduction and murder of MM. Case closed in the collective consciousness.

Not in my collective conscience it won't.

Even I have been forced to consider the death of Madeleine, but I want Proof.  And she isn't even my child.  I am assuming nothing.  So why should Kate and Gerry?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:33:50 AM
Not in my collective conscience it won't.

Even I have been forced to consider the death of Madeleine, but I want Proof.  And she isn't even my child.  I am assuming nothing.  So why should Kate and Gerry?

What would constitute proof in you view?

I'm thinking of the Moor Murders, where it was well recognised that Keith Bennett was dead and buried on the moor, but no body was ever found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 06, 2020, 09:41:05 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:33:50 AM
Not in my collective conscience it won't.

Even I have been forced to consider the death of Madeleine, but I want Proof.  And she isn't even my child.  I am assuming nothing.  So why should Kate and Gerry?

I can't speak for them, but from what is reported there doesn't appear to be the same belligerent insistence that they believe she could still be alive. I agree with the rest of your post. It doesn't satisfy me either. Absolute proof isn't easy in many cases unfortunately, though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:42:58 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:38:27 AM
What would constitute proof in you view?

I'm thinking of the Moor Murders, where it was well recognised that Keith Bennett was dead and buried on the moor, but no body was ever found.

A Body or a Confession.  And I wouldn't necessarily be satisfied with a Confession.  Would you?

The Moors Murders were a different kettle of fish altogether.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 06, 2020, 09:45:43 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:51:43 PM
I'm sure a lot of supporters would be extremely disappointed to discover that she hadn't been stolen to order and enjoying a happy family life somewhere.

I would think that everyone would be disappointed.

It was a hope of mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:42:58 AM
A Body or a Confession.  And I wouldn't necessarily be satisfied with a Confession.  Would you?

The Moors Murders were a different kettle of fish altogether.

Were they ? The way this heading (in the media at least), this guy is being portrayed as a serial killer with at least one other body unaccounted for.

As for a confession, however unsatisfactory,  it might be the only option forthcoming
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:50:08 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 06, 2020, 09:41:05 AM
I can't speak for them, but from what is reported there doesn't appear to be the same belligerent insistence that they believe she could still be alive. I agree with the rest of your post. It doesn't satisfy me either. Absolute proof isn't easy in many cases unfortunately, though.

Just how belligerent does anyone want The McCanns to be?

No, It's not going to be easy.  Probably years of Jurisdiction Issues.  And I very much doubt he will ever admit it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 06, 2020, 09:51:29 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 06, 2020, 09:25:10 AM
I've no idea where she dug that one up.

I let my guard down and foolishly went with what I read in a tabloid.  8(8-))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 06, 2020, 09:45:43 AM
I would think that everyone would be disappointed.

It was a hope of mine.

Not everyone, sadly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:50:08 AM
Just how belligerent does anyone want The McCanns to be?

No, It's not going to be easy.  Probably years of Jurisdiction Issues.  And I very much doubt he will ever admit it.

Well maybe, just maybe, he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:53:12 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:48:06 AM
Were they ? The way this heading (in the media at least), this guy is being portrayed as a serial killer with at least one other body unaccounted for.

As for a confession, however unsatisfactory,  it might be the only option forthcoming

There is No Proof that he has killed anyone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:55:29 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:53:12 AM
There is No Proof that he has killed anyone.

I quite agree, though some might be forthcoming in time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:52:24 AM
Well maybe, just maybe, he didn't do it.

This is still an option.

When it comes to Innocent Until Proven Guilty my money goes where my mouth is.  Does yours?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 06, 2020, 09:57:37 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 05:08:39 PM
Another picture of Christian Brückner/Brueckner.

His hair looks darker on that photo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 06, 2020, 09:41:05 AM
I can't speak for them, but from what is reported there doesn't appear to be the same belligerent insistence that they believe she could still be alive. I agree with the rest of your post. It doesn't satisfy me either. Absolute proof isn't easy in many cases unfortunately, though.

I would not have used 'belligerent' insistence to describe the fight Kate and Gerry have had to have Madeleine's disappearance properly investigated by the police.

belligerent
adjective
hostile and aggressive.
"the mood at the meeting was belligerent"

The hostility and aggression was directed against them sometimes even on this forum.

In the main the information circulating regarding this horror Christian Brueckner, has left me feeling incredibly deflated and I do not know any of the victims involved.
The hell that Kate and Gerry and all Madeleine's family are going through must be indescribable ~ and at the moment the words you have chosen are in my opinion inappropriate. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 10:01:48 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:48:06 AM
Were they ? The way this heading (in the media at least), this guy is being portrayed as a serial killer with at least one other body unaccounted for.

As for a confession, however unsatisfactory,  it might be the only option forthcoming

Then I think we will whistle for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:55:55 AM
This is still an option.

When it comes to Innocent Until Proven Guilty my money goes where my mouth is.  Does yours?

Not  entirely certain, but it would be nice to get to get to the position where it can be tested.

Problem is that many guilty people are never convicted due to witness intimidation  or technical legal issues.

Miscarriages of justice happen both ways.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 10:03:03 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 06, 2020, 09:51:29 AM
I let my guard down and foolishly went with what I read in a tabloid.  8(8-))
Do you have a cite?  You also claimed there was a Sky news report that th oolice were currently working on another, more sensitive theory - do you have a cite for that one as well while you’re at it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 10:01:48 AM
Then I think we will whistle for it.

I think so too, but it does depend on asking the right person in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 10:20:53 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 10:01:48 AM
Then I think we will whistle for it.

And then there is always Leonor Cipriano.  Although I can only imagine what a Confession from Bruckner will elicit.

That might be interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 10:23:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_TqenSB8Q0

This is new to me.. MWT said the suspect talked in the bar how he disposed of the body.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 10:31:48 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 10:23:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_TqenSB8Q0

This is new to me.. MWT said the suspect talked in the bar how he disposed of the body.

I believe it's known as hearsay.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 10:35:24 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:27:12 PM
I see the media are going completely over the top. Afaik Bruceckner lived 30km from PdL, so saying the American lived half a mile from there means she didn't live in PdL.

Christian Brueckner, in jail for raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, is a key suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who vanished in May 2007...

Brueckner raped, beat and robbed the American woman at her flat, which was about half a mile from the house he was living in at the time, the court heard.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-climbed-through-22144222
Perhaps he was living at the farmhouse at the time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 10:35:24 AM
Perhaps he was living at the farmhouse at the time?
G-Unit’s post is wrong in several details.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 06, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 10:20:53 AM
And then there is always Leonor Cipriano.  Although I can only imagine what a Confession from Bruckner will elicit.

That might be interesting.

The PJ cannot possibly look at his possible involvement in the cipriano case... It would have to admit so much failing in the Portuguese system..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 06, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
The PJ cannot possibly look at his possible involvement in the cipriano case... It would have to admit so much failing in the Portuguese system..

Get it right D -  the failing started the second mccs left the apartment 

Seems the failings have carried on by ALL who was supposed to be looking for her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 10:59:24 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-investigating-suspect-over-third-missing-child-12001457

It would appear that German authorities failed to act on a tip off about Brueckner seven years ago. The information came  to the German authorities attention after a Crimewatch style appeal by OG on German TV.

If the information was as the result an appeal by OG surely OG were also aware of Brueckner’s possible connection to the case in 2013 ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 10:59:24 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-investigating-suspect-over-third-missing-child-12001457

It would appear that German authorities failed to act on a tip off about Brueckner seven years ago. The information came  to the German authorities attention after a Crimewatch style appeal by OG on German TV.

If the information was as the result an appeal by OG surely OG were also aware of Brueckner’s possible connection to the case in 2013 ?

They did nothing when he was pointed at. Then again, 3 years ago they received a tip after the bar chat. OK, they might have been looking at him closely just to make sure. 3 years is an awful lot of time.  I think they have been doing their puzzle and now close to solving it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
Strange that some sceptics here are criticising the British and German police for their failings without also extending that criticism to the PT police.  Also, is this criticism a tacit acceptance that the McCanns didn't hide their child's body or is there still a belief that the police of three countries are conspiring together to protect the McCanns whilst at the same time drawing attention to their own failings? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 11:26:44 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394293/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspects-parents-revealed.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
They did nothing when he was pointed at. Then again, 3 years ago they received a tip after the bar chat. OK, they might have been looking at him closely just to make sure. 3 years is an awful lot of time.  I think they have been doing their puzzle and now close to solving it.

I believe this man’s name was included in the file of 600 known paedophiles passed to OG in 2012 by the PJ. His name was flagged up again in 2013 as a result of a Crimewatch style appeal organised by OG and again in 2017 yet still no action was taken. If he did kill the little girl Inga in Germany then part of the blame for her death must be apportioned to all three police forces. The clues were there, they were simply not acted upon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 11:26:44 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394293/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspects-parents-revealed.html

DM certainly milking this for all it's worth
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 06, 2020, 11:39:22 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 10:57:34 AM
Get it right D -  the failing started the second mccs left the apartment 

Seems the failings have carried on by ALL who was supposed to be looking for her

Im glad to see that you are now recognising its not just the parents who failed Maddie but thr PJ as well
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 06, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
The PJ cannot possibly look at his possible involvement in the cipriano case... It would have to admit so much failing in the Portuguese system..

I agree.  They won't do it voluntarily, although it could prove a bit uncomfortable should Brueckner actually confess. An unlikely event I think but stranger things have happened.

But were I the parent who has spent a good part of my life banged up in jail I would be following developments closely and checking out the best lawyers to engage on a no win no fee basis should the situation arise ... I don't think there would be any shortage of takers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 06, 2020, 11:39:22 AM
Im glad to see that you are now recognising its not just the parents who failed Maddie but thr PJ as well
 

I think the PJ could have been more focused in their approach. Letting witnesses collaborate on their statements and  letting witnesses sit in the room and be physically touching while another witness was giving their statement is never good practice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 11:57:42 AM
https://www.en24.news/2020/06/did-christian-brueckner-the-german-who-became-the-prime-suspect-in-the-disappearance-of-maddie-mccann-also-cause-a-victim-in-belgium.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:02:13 PM
It's becoming a positive feeding frenzy  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 06, 2020, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 11:57:15 AM
 

I think the PJ could have been more focused in their approach. Letting witnesses collaborate on their statements and  letting witnesses sit in the room and be physically touching while another witness was giving their statement is never good practice.

thers lots more that was very poor practice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 12:07:46 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 11:57:42 AM
https://www.en24.news/2020/06/did-christian-brueckner-the-german-who-became-the-prime-suspect-in-the-disappearance-of-maddie-mccann-also-cause-a-victim-in-belgium.html

He is coming over to me as a more sophisticated Robert Black https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Black_(serial_killer) and he was only apprehended on his return journey from kidnapping a little girl by her father and witness to her abduction.  Thankfully she survived.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 12:09:18 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:02:13 PM
It's becoming a positive feeding frenzy  @)(++(*

   ... and you appear to have had your knife and fork at the ready to participate in it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:10:42 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 12:09:18 PM
   ... and you appear to have had your knife and fork at the ready to participate in it.

Well why not - every one else is ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 12:09:18 PM
   ... and you appear to have had your knife and fork at the ready to participate in it.

Whereas you prefer a ladle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 06, 2020, 12:12:35 PM
Do you think he might be responsible for the missing Beaumont children in Australia 1966?   *%87

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 12:13:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 06, 2020, 11:39:22 AM
Im glad to see that you are now recognising its not just the parents who failed Maddie but thr PJ as well

Yes they should never have taken GA off the case - it all went downhill after that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 06, 2020, 12:41:30 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 12:13:25 PM
Yes they should never have taken GA off the case - it all went downhill after that

in your opinion....remember
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 06, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
The PJ cannot possibly look at his possible involvement in the cipriano case... It would have to admit so much failing in the Portuguese system..

Correct.  But I was talking about any possible Confession from Bruckner.  The Sceptics would have him being beaten into it while Leonor gave her confession willingly.  Just basic hypocrisy.  This was bound to happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:02:13 PM
It's becoming a positive feeding frenzy  @)(++(*

Not in the least bit funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 12:48:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 06, 2020, 12:12:35 PM
Do you think he might be responsible for the missing Beaumont children in Australia 1966?   *%87
What a cheap, stupid comment, if I may so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 12:50:27 PM

I shall be Deleting any more Smart Alec Comments.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 12:48:08 PM
Not in the least bit funny.

Oh it is, watching everyone getting all excited over the  most trivial snippet of information and the latest speculation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:02:13 PM
It's becoming a positive feeding frenzy  @)(++(*

 8)--)) Spot on but the police cannot charge him with anything in connection to Madeleine McCann. They need actual evidence first!

Smithman please come forward you are safe now, honestly pretty please 8(>((

Just remember I know that will never happen because I know who you are  ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 06, 2020, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
Oh it is, watching everyone getting all excited over the  most trivial snippet of information and the latest speculation.

i don's wee why you see it as exciting...I think it's a very interesting development...a burglar with a history of child abuse in Luz that night...who apparrently has claimed he knows what happened to maddie and three police forces taking it very seriously
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:59:46 PM
After all this flury of information, I think it would be somewhat ironic if German police could prove his involvement in the disappearance of the German girl, but find no evidence to link him to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 06, 2020, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:59:46 PM
After all this flury of information, I think it would be somewhat ironic if German police could prove his involvement in the disappearance of the German girl, but find no evidence to link him to Madeleine.

the evidence to link him to maddie may well have been sent to the laundry by the portuguese...they are a laughing stock imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 01:04:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 12:42:52 PM
Correct.  But I was talking about any possible Confession from Bruckner.  The Sceptics would have him being beaten into it while Leonor gave her confession willingly.  Just basic hypocrisy.  This was bound to happen.

I suspected it might happen but I must admit I am astounded that it did with such virulence.

For starters at the moment it is a German investigation of which Madeleine McCann is a part. 

Along with quite a few others I would prefer it was not so given the nature and crimes attributed to Bruckner and until we find out more I don't think we can be certain of anything.

In the meantime my thoughts are with Madeleine's family.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
Oh it is, watching everyone getting all excited over the  most trivial snippet of information and the latest speculation.

And Sceptics changing the rules of morality to suit their own agenda.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 01:05:25 PM
And Sceptics changing the rules of morality to suit their own agenda.

If you say so  ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 01:21:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
If you say so  ?{)(**

All's well that ends well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 01:32:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 01:18:14 PM
Well it certainly brought you out from under your rock.

It was rather boring just lurking and reading for the last few weeks so fresh subject material is always welcome
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 01:32:27 PM
It was rather boring just lurking and reading for the last few weeks so fresh subject material is always welcome

Ah but, is he Innocent until Proven Guilty, unlike The McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 01:36:16 PM
Ah but, is he Innocent until Proven Guilty, unlike The McCanns?

Judging by his record, I doubt he can ever be described as  innocent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 01:56:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 01:36:16 PM
Ah but, is he Innocent until Proven Guilty, unlike The McCanns?

People will always speculate....they are not tied to the rigours of judicial rules. The parents are still innocent until charged as is Brueckner, at least of this crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 06, 2020, 02:01:03 PM
Now would be a good moment for OG to tell the German police that they have had Madeleine McCann under surveillance and were just waiting for the right moment to rescue her, wouldn't it? It doesn't look like her bloodline and Morroco had any part to play in her disappearance either. It seems to me like there were a lot of wild theories around.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 01:56:26 PM
People will always speculate....they are not tied to the rigours of judicial rules. The parents are still innocent until charged as is Brueckner, at least of this crime.

Goodness me, we seem to be getting somewhere.  The McCanns are Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  Thank Christ for that at least.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:03:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 01:32:27 PM
It was rather boring just lurking and reading for the last few weeks so fresh subject material is always welcome
And yet you complain about the "feeding frenzy" - ever considered you might just be a little bit hypocritical?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 02:04:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:03:14 PM
And yet you complain about the "feeding frenzy" - ever considered you might just be a little bit hypocritical?

Why should I bother?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:04:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 06, 2020, 02:01:03 PM
Now would be a good moment for OG to tell the German police that they have had Madeleine McCann under surveillance and were just waiting for the right moment to rescue her, wouldn't it? It doesn't look like her bloodline and Morroco had any part to play in her disappearance either. It seems to me like there were a lot of wild theories around.
Not least the one where the McCanns over-sedated her, she fell over the balcony and her father carried her dead body bold as brass through the streets of PdL. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 02:04:08 PM
Why should I bother?
Ah yes, I was forgetting - you don't really care about anything. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:05:52 PM
Ah yes, I was forgetting - you don't really care about anything.

I certainly don't bother about your childish little concerns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 06, 2020, 02:09:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 06, 2020, 02:01:03 PM
Now would be a good moment for OG to tell the German police that they have had Madeleine McCann under surveillance and were just waiting for the right moment to rescue her, wouldn't it? It doesn't look like her bloodline and Morroco had any part to play in her disappearance either. It seems to me like there were a lot of wild theories around.


I think Amaral's was the wildest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 06, 2020, 02:09:45 PM

I think Amaral's was the wildest.

Difficult to choose, though the bloodline one is pretty wacky
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 02:30:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 02:02:26 PM
Goodness me, we seem to be getting somewhere.  The McCanns are Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  Thank Christ for that at least.

In law...of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 02:34:35 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 02:30:45 PM
In law...of course.

Is there anything else?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:47:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
I certainly don't bother about your childish little concerns
You certainly always bother enough to reply to me, strange that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
Strange that some sceptics here are criticising the British and German police for their failings without also extending that criticism to the PT police.  Also, is this criticism a tacit acceptance that the McCanns didn't hide their child's body or is there still a belief that the police of three countries are conspiring together to protect the McCanns whilst at the same time drawing attention to their own failings?

The PJ looked at him at the time as a matter of procedure it would seem.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406)

So how can they be criticised? We don't know why they dismissed him as a suspect but they did look into his possible involvement. How is it fair to say they dropped the ball when German Police and Met police seem to have known about him for 3 years now and still haven't found any solid evidence he was involved? It seems to me the German and UK police are at the same stage as the PJ were years ago despite knowing MORE about the suspect than they did.

"The Metropolitan Police said they were still treating the case as a missing person investigation, and that they had no “definitive evidence” indicating whether Madeleine is alive or dead.

“As the years go on, we are realistic about what we might be dealing with but there is always hope,” said Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy.

“We are asking the public for help to prove or disprove whether this man was involved in Madeleine’s disappearance.”

“We retain an open mind about his involvement and we will follow the evidence wherever it may take us.”'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html)

 
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 02:48:39 PM
The PJ looked at him at the time as a matter of procedure it would seem.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406)

So how can they be criticised? We don't know why they dismissed him as a suspect but they did look into his possible involvement. How is it fair to say they dropped the ball when German Police and Met police seem to have known about him for 3 years now and still haven't found any solid evidence he was involved? It seems to me the German and UK police are at the same stage as the PJ were years ago despite knowing MORE about the suspect than they did.

"The Metropolitan Police said they were still treating the case as a missing person investigation, and that they had no “definitive evidence” indicating whether Madeleine is alive or dead.

“As the years go on, we are realistic about what we might be dealing with but there is always hope,” said Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy.

“We are asking the public for help to prove or disprove whether this man was involved in Madeleine’s disappearance.”

“We retain an open mind about his involvement and we will follow the evidence wherever it may take us.”'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html)

 
So you think it's fair to criticise the British and German police but not the Portuguese police for not thoroughly investigating him, nor for arresting and charging him for the vicious torture and rape of a woman in PdL either?  OK, be a PJ apologist, if it suits you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 03:12:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
So you think it's fair to criticise the British and German police but not the Portuguese police for not thoroughly investigating him, nor for arresting and charging him for the vicious torture and rape of a woman in PdL either?  OK, be a PJ apologist, if it suits you.

I'm not an apologist, that seems rather rude. I am talking about the narrative in the UK press at the moment which seems to be German police = good, UK police = good. PJ = bad.  It is not actually based on the facts and is way too simplistic IMO. In Germany the police are getting criticism on how they handled things too. Why would the UK press put Germany and UK police in the good corner and PJ in the bad corner alone? It's just the UK media doing that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/madeleine-mccann-german-police-ignored-warnings-over-suspect-christian-bruckner#maincontent (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/madeleine-mccann-german-police-ignored-warnings-over-suspect-christian-bruckner#maincontent)

"German media are focusing their attention on whether the federal police ignored warnings in 2013 from a local force that was on the trail of the Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner for a variety of crimes, including child abuse and drug dealing.

Investigators in Braunschweig who had been closely monitoring Brückner believed he should be viewed as a key suspect in the girl’s disappearance. But their alert was reportedly ignored by Germany’s Federal Criminal Office, the BKA, according to Der Spiegel, which has a team of 10 reporters working on the case.''

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 03:17:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 06, 2020, 02:01:03 PM
Now would be a good moment for OG to tell the German police that they have had Madeleine McCann under surveillance and were just waiting for the right moment to rescue her, wouldn't it? It doesn't look like her bloodline and Morroco had any part to play in her disappearance either. It seems to me like there were a lot of wild theories around.

Wouldn't it be lovely if they were in the position to do just that but just think how disappointed some might be.

On the other hand we have no idea what might have happened to Madeleine or who is responsible.  But according to friends Christian Brueckner was involved in smuggling drugs into Portugal and who is to say he wasn't involved in smuggling a more valuable commodity than the usual proceeds of his burglaries, tourist passports ~ out.

What happened to the mantra of "keeping all options open" as Scotland Yard are doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:20:56 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 03:12:05 PM
I'm not an apologist, that seems rather rude. I am talking about the narrative in the UK press at the moment which seems to be German police = good, UK police = good. PJ = bad.  It is not actually based on the facts and is way too simplistic IMO. In Germany the police are getting criticism too on how they handled things too. Why would the UK press put Germany and UK police in the good corner and PJ in the bad corner alone? It's just the UK media doing that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/madeleine-mccann-german-police-ignored-warnings-over-suspect-christian-bruckner#maincontent (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/madeleine-mccann-german-police-ignored-warnings-over-suspect-christian-bruckner#maincontent)

"German media are focusing their attention on whether the federal police ignored warnings in 2013 from a local force that was on the trail of the Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner for a variety of crimes, including child abuse and drug dealing.

Investigators in Braunschweig who had been closely monitoring Brückner believed he should be viewed as a key suspect in the girl’s disappearance. But their alert was reportedly ignored by Germany’s Federal Criminal Office, the BKA, according to Der Spiegel, which has a team of 10 reporters working on the case.''
I posted an article from the UK press yesterday which raised questions about Operation Grange;s handling of the case also, so I think you may be mistaken.  But consider - if the PJ had done their job properly in the first place there would have been no need for Operation Grange and no need for the German police's involvement either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:20:56 PM
I posted an article from the UK press yesterday which raised questions about Operation Grange;s handling of the case also, so I think you may be mistaken.  But consider - if the PJ had done their job properly in the first place there would have been no need for Operation Grange and no need for the German police's involvement either.

Shouldn't that have an 'in your opinion' with it? The PJ could only ever work with the evidence they had IMO. Bruckner was exposed as the rapist of the 72 year old woman after a Portuguese cold case team linked the testimony of two friends who stole a video camera from him with the rape on it. Those friends inadvertently removed the key evidence, you can't blame the Police when that happens. Sometimes evidence comes to light years later or why else would there be appeals such as the German one?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
So you think it's fair to criticise the British and German police but not the Portuguese police for not thoroughly investigating him, nor for arresting and charging him for the vicious torture and rape of a woman in PdL either?  OK, be a PJ apologist, if it suits you.

SY spent 12 million then doing what - they should have thoroughly investigated him 3 year ago doncha think

your post seems to be apologist for that,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:46:51 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 03:37:10 PM
Shouldn't that have an 'in your opinion' with it? The PJ could only ever work with the evidence they had IMO. Bruckner was exposed as the rapist of the 72 year old woman after a Portuguese cold case team linked the testimony of two friends who stole a video camera from him with the rape on it. Those friends inadvertently removed the key evidence, you can't blame the Police when that happens. Sometimes evidence comes to light years later or why else would there be appeals such as the German one?
No it's a statement of fact.  If the PJ had done their job properly and found out who took Madeleine and brought charges in the initial investigation that resulted in a conviction then there would have been no need for Op Grange or German police involvement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 03:41:09 PM
SY spent 12 million then doing what - they should have thoroughly investigated him 3 year ago doncha think

your post seems to be apologist for that,
Then you have completely misinterpreted my post.  Perhaps you should re-read it and point to the bit where I declare Op Grange to be above criticism?  I look forward to your response.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 03:50:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:20:56 PM
I posted an article from the UK press yesterday which raised questions about Operation Grange;s handling of the case also, so I think you may be mistaken.  But consider - if the PJ had done their job properly in the first place there would have been no need for Operation Grange and no need for the German police's involvement either.

If the mccs had done there job properly Maddie would be here today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 03:54:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:46:51 PM
No it's a statement of fact.  If the PJ had done their job properly and found out who took Madeleine and brought charges in the initial investigation that resulted in a conviction then there would have been no need for Op Grange or German police involvement.

 I respectfully disagree. There are many cases the world over that are only solved years later when for instance DNA advances are made or someone gives more information, ergo that key evidence was not available to the original investigators.

 I agree the PJ investigation was not perfect but that doesn't mean it's the only reason the crime hasn't been solved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:54:21 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 03:50:56 PM
If the mccs had done there job properly Maddie would be here today.
Ah - the argument of last resort.  When backed into a corner lash out at the McCanns.  Nice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:56:03 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 03:54:10 PM
I respectfully disagree. There are many cases the world over that are only solved years later when for instance DNA advances are made or someone gives more information, ergo that key evidence was not available to the original investigators.

 I agree the PJ investigation was not perfect but that doesn't mean it's the only reason the crime hasn't been solved.
"Not perfect" - understatement of the day.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:56:03 PM
"Not perfect" - understatement of the day.  IMO.

At least as you say it's your opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 06, 2020, 04:20:14 PM
I wonder at what stage Bruekner's DNA profile was placed on the German data base, which subsequently led to the Portuguese being able to link him with the 2005 rape in Luz?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 04:24:38 PM
Neither do you.

The mccs left children on there own - that's the truth

You just don't like me saying it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 04:31:25 PM
 From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

The Metropolitan Police admitted that Brueckner had been among 600 people previously considered potentially significant in the McCann inquiry.

But investigators said he was not considered a suspect until new information was received in response to an appeal made on the 10th anniversary of her disappearance in 2017.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: misty on June 06, 2020, 04:20:14 PM
I wonder at what stage Bruekner's DNA profile was placed on the German data base, which subsequently led to the Portuguese being able to link him with the 2005 rape in Luz?
It wasn't his DNA that linked him to the rape, not initially anyway

"Christian B was reportedly linked to the case after an acquaintance stole a camera from his home but later found footage on it showing him carrying out the attack"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 04:33:00 PM
Quote from: misty on June 06, 2020, 04:20:14 PM
I wonder at what stage Bruekner's DNA profile was placed on the German data base, which subsequently led to the Portuguese being able to link him with the 2005 rape in Luz?

What linked him apparently was the two friends stealing a video camera and viewing the rape which was recorded on it. They told police it was Bruckner.

"....The case had remained unsolved until a Portuguese police cold case team linked the rape to the testimony of the two acquaintances who had stolen the video camera. The alleged video was not shown in court and is not thought to be in police possession.....

He would have got away with the heinous crime but witnesses, two friends of Brückner, came forward many years later to testify against him.

They had stolen his video camera and found on it, according to a subsequent court case, recordings of at least two rapes. One showed the older woman being attacked and the other a young victim raped in his farmhouse. ''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/06/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-everything-know/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/06/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-everything-know/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 06, 2020, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
It wasn't his DNA that linked him to the rape, not initially anyway

"Christian B was reportedly linked to the case after an acquaintance stole a camera from his home but later found footage on it showing him carrying out the attack"

I realise that; but there was a crime scene in Luz 2005 which yielded some unidentified hairs, subsequently used to convict CB in Germany. Did Germany not have his DNA on their database in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 or 2015 based on his conviction history?
The American victim survived & presumably was able to provide the police with certain eye-witness evidence...and her home was less than 10 mins walk from the scene of another potentially serious crime 2 years later. I can't help wondering why, if Luz was such a safe place, PJ weren't chomping at the bit to acquire DNA of local foreign sex offenders, especially one reportedly seen near 5A by 2 separate witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 04:55:57 PM
Quote from: misty on June 06, 2020, 04:48:41 PM
I realise that; but there was a crime scene in Luz 2005 which yielded some unidentified hairs, subsequently used to convict CB in Germany. Did Germany not have his DNA on their database in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 or 2015 based on his conviction history?
The American victim survived & presumably was able to provide the police with certain eye-witness evidence...and her home was less than 10 mins walk from the scene of another potentially serious crime 2 years later. I can't help wondering why, if Luz was such a safe place, PJ weren't chomping at the bit to acquire DNA of local foreign sex offenders, especially one reportedly seen near 5A by 2 separate witnesses.
Apparently the Portuguese didn't "do" DNA back in the dark ages of the 2000s.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 04:59:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 04:31:25 PM
From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

The Metropolitan Police admitted that Brueckner had been among 600 people previously considered potentially significant in the McCann inquiry.

But investigators said he was not considered a suspect until new information was received in response to an appeal made on the 10th anniversary of her disappearance in 2017.

Much like the PJ’s handling of him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 04:59:05 PM
Much like the PJ’s handling of him.

There must surely be a degree of embarrassment in Grange - there he was, a prime suspect par excellence - and they missed him

Bet there was a flurry of a*se covering the day that was discovered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 05:16:00 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 05:09:34 PM
There must surely be a degree of embarrassment in Grange - there he was, a prime suspect par excellence - and they missed him

Bet there was a flurry of a*se covering the day that was discovered.
Was a time when people on this forum believed Operation Grange was deliberately being prolonged indefinitely so as to cover the embarrassment of them not having a clue about anything.  Makes you wonder why they’ve agreed to go along with this new line of enquiry if the whole investigation was a face-saving one designed to protect not only the McCanns but themselves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 05:21:34 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect linked to murder of girl, 16, whose body was found chopped up on beach
Brittany Vonow6 Jun 2020,
THE prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann could be linked to the murder of a 16-year-old German girl whose body was found chopped up on a Belgian beach.

Carola Titze had reportedly been in contact with a German man days before she disappeared while on holiday in De Haan in 1996.

⚠️ Click here for the latest news on Madeleine McCann

 Carola Titze was just 16-years-old when her mutilated body was found on the beach in 1996
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Carola Titze was just 16-years-old when her mutilated body was found on the beach in 1996Credit: nordphoto
 Christian B has been named as a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
7
Christian B has been named as a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCannCredit: Bild
Tragically, her body was found badly mutilated in sand dunes just days later.

And local Belgian media VTM News today reported that prosecutors are now examining whether Christian B can be considered a suspect in the case.

Christian, who is now 43, would have been about 19 at the time of Carola's disappearance.

The young woman had reportedly been seen at a local disco with a German man before her death.

And despite police constructing a potential image of the suspect, no one was ever arrested.

Christian has this week been named as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And Christian, who is currently in jail for the rape of an American tourist, has now been linked to two other disappearances of children.

German detectives investigating Christian B have contacted the family of René Hasee to say they were looking into his 1996 abduction again.

Youngster René, from Elsdorf, Germany, vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur - just 25 miles from Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

He ran ahead during a family walk on the beach to go in the sea. After losing sight of him they never saw him again and were left with just his clothes lying on the beach.

 Belgium police had previously released a drawing of a possible suspect in Carola's murder
7
Belgium police had previously released a drawing of a possible suspect in Carola's murderCredit: nordphoto
 René Hasee vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur
7
René Hasee vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur
 Police are also probing the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015
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Police are also probing the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015Credit: PA:Press Association
Detectives believe the suspect was regularly living in the Algarve from 1995. He was already convicted of sex offences against children and would have been 19 at the time René disappeared.

Christian B is also being re-investigated over the disappearance of a girl dubbed the 'German Maddie'.

Christian B was reported to be in the same area as five-year-old German girl Inga Gehricke when she vanished in May 2015.

The little girl had been enjoying a family BBQ in woodland in the state of Saxony-Anhalt, around 50 miles from Berlin, when she vanished without a trace in chilling echoes of Madeleine's disappearance.

Portuguese police have since insisted they didn't discount Christian as a suspect in the case of missing Madeleine.

The British toddler was just three-years-old when she vanished in Portugal while on holidays with her family in 2007.

Christian B is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for raping an American woman, 72, in Portugal.

We are now able to show his picture in full in the UK after it was published in a major German newspaper - as cops in both countries appeal for anyone who knows him to come forward.

The suspect, who we cannot legally name in full, was first thrust into the frame in 2017 after allegedly confessing to abducting Madeleine in a bar.

He was reportedly chatting to the friend in Germany when a TV report came on about the tenth anniversary of the girl's disappearance and he suggested he knew what had happened to her.



German sources claim he boasted he had "snatched her" but didn’t say he had killed her.

Christian B was first thrust into the frame in connection with Madeleine's disappearance in 2017 after allegedly confessing to abducting the girl while in a bar with a pal in Germany.

He was reportedly chatting to the friend when a TV report came on about the tenth anniversary of the girl's disappearance and he suggested he knew what had happened to her.

German sources claim he boasted he had "snatched her" but didn’t say he had killed her.

Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2020, 06:00:51 PM
"Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found."


Let me get this straight.

They know how she was killed, but they're not certain she is dead.

Remarkable!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2020, 06:00:51 PM
"Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found."


Let me get this straight.

They know how she was killed, but they're not certain she is dead.

Remarkable!

The way I read that is that Germans are absolutely positive she is dead,and suspect someone killed her


Meanwhile Grange refuse to accept she is dead because that wasn't in their remit and might upset the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 06:08:39 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2020, 06:00:51 PM
"Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found."


Let me get this straight.

They know how she was killed, but they're not certain she is dead.

Remarkable!
You haven’t got it straight. Try re-reading it with your brain in gear this time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2020, 06:12:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 06:08:39 PM
You haven’t got it straight. Try re-reading it with your brain in gear this time.

Thanks, I just re-read it & It say's exactly the same thing as when I read it the first time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 06:12:49 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2020, 06:12:05 PM
Thanks, I just re-read it & It say's exactly the same thing as when I read it the first time.
Then you failed to engage your brain.  Never mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
The way I read that is that Germans are absolutely positive she is dead,and suspect someone killed her


Meanwhile Grange refuse to accept she is dead because that wasn't in their remit and might upset the McCanns

Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 06:15:27 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

No idea but the Germans seem pretty clear about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 06:21:15 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

Well if like you think CB is involved - Do you think maybe Maddie living a life of luxury.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2020, 06:23:20 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

We've been through this before, there is plenty of evidence that Maddie is dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 06:23:41 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 05:21:34 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect linked to murder of girl, 16, whose body was found chopped up on beach
Brittany Vonow6 Jun 2020,
THE prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann could be linked to the murder of a 16-year-old German girl whose body was found chopped up on a Belgian beach.

Carola Titze had reportedly been in contact with a German man days before she disappeared while on holiday in De Haan in 1996.

⚠️ Click here for the latest news on Madeleine McCann

 Carola Titze was just 16-years-old when her mutilated body was found on the beach in 1996
7
Carola Titze was just 16-years-old when her mutilated body was found on the beach in 1996Credit: nordphoto
 Christian B has been named as a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
7
Christian B has been named as a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCannCredit: Bild
Tragically, her body was found badly mutilated in sand dunes just days later.

And local Belgian media VTM News today reported that prosecutors are now examining whether Christian B can be considered a suspect in the case.

Christian, who is now 43, would have been about 19 at the time of Carola's disappearance.

The young woman had reportedly been seen at a local disco with a German man before her death.

And despite police constructing a potential image of the suspect, no one was ever arrested.

Christian has this week been named as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And Christian, who is currently in jail for the rape of an American tourist, has now been linked to two other disappearances of children.

German detectives investigating Christian B have contacted the family of René Hasee to say they were looking into his 1996 abduction again.

Youngster René, from Elsdorf, Germany, vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur - just 25 miles from Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

He ran ahead during a family walk on the beach to go in the sea. After losing sight of him they never saw him again and were left with just his clothes lying on the beach.

 Belgium police had previously released a drawing of a possible suspect in Carola's murder
7
Belgium police had previously released a drawing of a possible suspect in Carola's murderCredit: nordphoto
 René Hasee vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur
7
René Hasee vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur
 Police are also probing the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015
7
Police are also probing the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015Credit: PA:Press Association
Detectives believe the suspect was regularly living in the Algarve from 1995. He was already convicted of sex offences against children and would have been 19 at the time René disappeared.

Christian B is also being re-investigated over the disappearance of a girl dubbed the 'German Maddie'.

Christian B was reported to be in the same area as five-year-old German girl Inga Gehricke when she vanished in May 2015.

The little girl had been enjoying a family BBQ in woodland in the state of Saxony-Anhalt, around 50 miles from Berlin, when she vanished without a trace in chilling echoes of Madeleine's disappearance.

Portuguese police have since insisted they didn't discount Christian as a suspect in the case of missing Madeleine.

The British toddler was just three-years-old when she vanished in Portugal while on holidays with her family in 2007.

Christian B is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for raping an American woman, 72, in Portugal.

We are now able to show his picture in full in the UK after it was published in a major German newspaper - as cops in both countries appeal for anyone who knows him to come forward.

The suspect, who we cannot legally name in full, was first thrust into the frame in 2017 after allegedly confessing to abducting Madeleine in a bar.

He was reportedly chatting to the friend in Germany when a TV report came on about the tenth anniversary of the girl's disappearance and he suggested he knew what had happened to her.



German sources claim he boasted he had "snatched her" but didn’t say he had killed her.

Christian B was first thrust into the frame in connection with Madeleine's disappearance in 2017 after allegedly confessing to abducting the girl while in a bar with a pal in Germany.

He was reportedly chatting to the friend when a TV report came on about the tenth anniversary of the girl's disappearance and he suggested he knew what had happened to her.

German sources claim he boasted he had "snatched her" but didn’t say he had killed her.

Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found.

Well if that the case to me they seem to be clearing the book - like TIC
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: misty on June 06, 2020, 04:48:41 PM
I realise that; but there was a crime scene in Luz 2005 which yielded some unidentified hairs, subsequently used to convict CB in Germany. Did Germany not have his DNA on their database in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 or 2015 based on his conviction history?
The American victim survived & presumably was able to provide the police with certain eye-witness evidence...and her home was less than 10 mins walk from the scene of another potentially serious crime 2 years later. I can't help wondering why, if Luz was such a safe place, PJ weren't chomping at the bit to acquire DNA of local foreign sex offenders, especially one reportedly seen near 5A by 2 separate witnesses.
Germany. Germany set up its DNA database for the German Federal Police (BKA) in 1998.

DNA database - Wikipedia
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 06:47:56 PM
Quote from: misty on June 06, 2020, 04:48:41 PM
I realise that; but there was a crime scene in Luz 2005 which yielded some unidentified hairs, subsequently used to convict CB in Germany. Did Germany not have his DNA on their database in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 or 2015 based on his conviction history?
The American victim survived & presumably was able to provide the police with certain eye-witness evidence...and her home was less than 10 mins walk from the scene of another potentially serious crime 2 years later. I can't help wondering why, if Luz was such a safe place, PJ weren't chomping at the bit to acquire DNA of local foreign sex offenders, especially one reportedly seen near 5A by 2 separate witnesses.

  Could they request DNA from other countries just because someone had a criminal record?  Is being in the area enough justification to get it?
We have no idea why PJ dismissed Bruckner as a suspect in 2007. For all we know he could have had an alibi that put him somewhere else. We can't judge the PJ as incompetent in the matter unless we know why they let him go as a suspect...even then he may turn out not to be responsible and the Germans may have to drop him too. The German police seem to be trying to pin down his movements by asking if people saw the van he was living in and they also ( after 3 years)  said they are 'open minded' about his involvement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 06:21:15 PM
What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

Well if like you think CB is involved - Do you think maybe Maddie living a life of luxury.

I have seen a few reports that suggest Brueckner may have had a change of fortune in 2007 and in his conversation with his friend he never said he had Killed Madeleine ... only that he knew what had happened.

Snip
'It was conspicuous that he had boasted about a sudden financial windfall after he returned from Portugal in 2007. Friends remember him telling them that he had found cash in a pile of clothes, large sums of money, after breaking into a home in the Algarve.

'In addition to a mobile home, he also used the money to buy a derelict factory property in the state of Saxony-Anhalt.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394183/Christian-Brueckner-flagged-key-Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-murder-suspect-SEVEN-YEARS-ago.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:55:29 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 06:47:56 PM
  Could they request DNA from other countries just because someone had a criminal record?  Is being in the area enough justification to get it?
We have no idea why PJ dismissed Bruckner as a suspect in 2007. For all we know he could have had an alibi that put him somewhere else. We can't judge the PJ as incompetent in the matter unless we know why they let him go as a suspect...even then he may turn out not to be responsible and the Germans may have to drop him too. The German police seem to be trying to pin down his movements by asking if people saw the van he was living in and they also ( after 3 years)  said they are 'open minded' about his involvement.

With any luck the recent appeal may turn up exactly the information required to progress the inquiry.  We shall just have to be patient and content ourselves until the police have analysed everything they've got.
Whether or or not they share it with us is entirely up to them, but I rather doubt it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 07:04:29 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

Just yesterday you posted that the Germans had their finger on the pulse....and they think she’s dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 07:04:29 PM
Just yesterday you posted that the Germans had their finger on the pulse....and they think she’s dead.

In which case there wouldn't be a pulse.  Boom Boom.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 07:13:01 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:55:29 PM
With any luck the recent appeal may turn up exactly the information required to progress the inquiry.  We shall just have to be patient and content ourselves until the police have analysed everything they've got.
Whether or or not they share it with us is entirely up to them, but I rather doubt it.


But now on Sky we have a very somber  Brunt explaining that the BKA have had this information since 2013,
 
Grange since 2012, but he omits to mention that the PJ had it in 2007,
 

and at least by  8th May because that is when they showed a PHOTO (not a photo-fit) of Bückner to at least one of the witnesses.

So it took Grange 5 years to get the information, and then to do nothing, 

it took the BKA 6 years to get the information, and to do nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:55:29 PM
With any luck the recent appeal may turn up exactly the information required to progress the inquiry.  We shall just have to be patient and content ourselves until the police have analysed everything they've got.
Whether or or not they share it with us is entirely up to them, but I rather doubt it.

Yes hopefully they get more info from their appeal but seems a bit desperate to be basing it on luck 5 years ( edit - 7 years!) after discovering this guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 07:15:43 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 07:13:01 PM

But now on Sky we have a very somber  Brunt explaining that the BKA have had this information since 2013,
 
Grange since 2012, but he omits to mention that the PJ had it in 2007,
 

and at least by  8th May because that is when they showed a PHOTO (not a photo-fit) of Bückner to at least one of the witnesses.

So it took Grange 5 years to get the information, and then to do nothing, 

it took the BKA 6 years to get the information, and to do nothing.
Well we know they found his cars, and have thoroughly investigated his phone his movements and his background so I wouldn’t say nothing exactly.  Did the Pj do any of this back in 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 07:13:01 PM

But now on Sky we have a very somber  Brunt explaining that the BKA have had this information since 2013,
 
Grange since 2012, but he omits to mention that the PJ had it in 2007,
 

and at least by  8th May because that is when they showed a PHOTO (not a photo-fit) of Bückner to at least one of the witnesses.

So it took Grange 5 years to get the information, and then to do nothing,

it took the BKA 6 years to get the information, and to do nothing.


As Bruckner was one of the infamous 600, it would be fascinating to know which number on the list he was and when he was eliminated from the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 07:15:43 PM
Well we know they found his cars, and have thoroughly investigated his phone his movements and his background so I wouldn’t say nothing exactly.  Did the Pj do any of this back in 2007?

How can we know what the PJ did or didn't do when they have judicial secrecy?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2020, 07:30:19 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:26:53 PM
How can we know what the PJ did or didn't do when they have judicial secrecy?
I thought the files on this case were released to the public?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 07:30:19 PM
I thought the files on this case were released to the public?

With sex offenders omitted due to privacy laws. For example....

"missing pages - Information that sex offenders listed on pages 293 to 300 were investigated in minute detail and nothing was found relating to the case of the missing child, Madeleine. 2 November 2007.''


However I did find an article referring to Amaral saying the VW Van was examined in 2007 as I suppose he can say what he likes now?

"The now lead suspect in the Madeleine McCann case was looked at in 2007 and had his van forensically tested, but ruled out of the investigation, a journalist who has covered the case extensively says.''

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/madeleine-mccann-cases-lead-suspect-investigated-in-2007-before-being-let-go (https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/madeleine-mccann-cases-lead-suspect-investigated-in-2007-before-being-let-go)

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:42:38 PM
I don't see any details  from Grange regarding how they went about investigating their 600 persons of interest.

They must be even more secret than the Portuguese. Whoever would have thought that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:42:38 PM
I don't see any details  from Grange regarding how they went about investigating their 600 persons of interest.

They must be even more secret than the Portuguese. Whoever would have thought that

I suppose it's because it's ongoing. Ongoing for a very, very long time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 07:45:24 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?
If Christian Brückner is involved in the disappearance of three children and none of their remains have been found, I think there is a possibility that they are alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
The eternal optimist.

I guess that's one way of looking at it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 07:50:18 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
The eternal optimist.

I guess that's one way of looking at it.

And then there’s reality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
With sex offenders omitted due to privacy laws. For example....

"missing pages - Information that sex offenders listed on pages 293 to 300 were investigated in minute detail and nothing was found relating to the case of the missing child, Madeleine. 2 November 2007.''


However I did find an article referring to Amaral saying the VW Van was examined in 2007 as I suppose he can say what he likes now?

"The now lead suspect in the Madeleine McCann case was looked at in 2007 and had his van forensically tested, but ruled out of the investigation, a journalist who has covered the case extensively says.''

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/madeleine-mccann-cases-lead-suspect-investigated-in-2007-before-being-let-go (https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/madeleine-mccann-cases-lead-suspect-investigated-in-2007-before-being-let-go)

Do you think  the nanny lied as well?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann's nanny was shown prime suspect Christian Brueckner's picture just five days after she went missing from her family's apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:54:33 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 07:45:24 PM
If Christian Brückner is involved in the disappearance of three children and none of their remains have been found, I think there is a possibility that they are alive.

As in he sold them to some child trafficking ring that ships off white children to Africa? Surely he'd have been more well off?

 If he was involved it seems his M.O. was sadistic torture and making videos of it. He was also fond of keeping the videos and sharing them for shock value, there doesn't seem to be a video of Madeliene.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 07:56:01 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
The eternal optimist.

I guess that's one way of looking at it.
I’d rather be optimistic than cynical and derisive. The Ariel Castro/Cleveland case has reference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:58:01 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 07:52:35 PM
Do you think  the nanny lied as well?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann's nanny was shown prime suspect Christian Brueckner's picture just five days after she went missing from her family's apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal

I don't know, do you mean because they told her his name? I've no idea how the privacy laws would work when they were investigating someone. I doubt they told her 'he's a sex offender' so maybe they didn't break any privacy law?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:59:19 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 07:52:35 PM
Do you think  the nanny lied as well?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann's nanny was shown prime suspect Christian Brueckner's picture just five days after she went missing from her family's apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal

When was that statement made?

If she was shown a photo of Bruckner 5 days after the event then PJ were very much on the ball IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:01:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:59:19 PM
When was that statement made?

If she was shown a photo of Bruckner 5 days after the event then PJ were very much on the ball IMO

Exactly, being procedural following up known offenders in the area.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 07:56:01 PM
I’d rather be optimistic than cynical and derisive. The Ariel Castro/Cleveland case has reference.

This man’s in prison and has been for some time. Where is he keeping the three, under his prison bed ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 07:56:01 PM
I’d rather be optimistic than cynical and derisive. The Ariel Castro/Cleveland case has reference.

Optimism leads to disappointment more often than not. IMO
I prefer realism
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:54:33 PM
As in he sold them to some child trafficking ring that ships off white children to Africa? Surely he'd have been more well off?

 If he was involved it seems his M.O. was sadistic torture and making videos of it. He was also fond of keeping the videos and sharing them for shock value, there doesn't seem to be a video of Madeliene.
As in he sold them to some child trafficking ring that ships off white children to Africa?
Are you suggesting that the continent of Africa has no white people/children, except for the ones you are referring to as been ‘shipped off’?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:58:01 PM
I don't know, do you mean because they told her his name? I've no idea how the privacy laws would work when they were investigating someone. I doubt they told her 'he's a sex offender' so maybe they didn't break any privacy law?

What are you questioning as Amaral predicted this German suspect a year ago? He said nothing was discovered to tie him to the case. The PJ showed his pic to witnesses to see if they recall seeing him. If one witness had seen him then of course they would follow it up!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:10:21 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
This man’s in prison and has been for some time. Where is he keeping the three, under his prison bed ?

He committed suicide in prison.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:12:53 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
This man’s in prison and has been for some time. Where is he keeping the three, under his prison bed ?

You obviously have no knowledge of the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 08:09:19 PM
What are you questioning as Amaral predicted this German suspect a year ago? He said nothing was discovered to tie him to the case. The PJ showed his pic to witnesses to see if they recall seeing him. If one witness had seen him then of course they would follow it up!

I'm guessing the nanny wasn't the only person shown the photo so it wouldn't be a case of just one person not seeing him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:10:21 PM
He committed suicide in prison.

Who did ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
As in he sold them to some child trafficking ring that ships off white children to Africa?
Are you suggesting that the continent of Africa has no white people/children, except for the ones you are referring to as been ‘shipped off’?

No. It's what some child trafficking theorists think happens and is obviously quite ridiculous.

And all I can say is 'blimey' re. your suicide comment!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:16:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
The eternal optimist.

I guess that's one way of looking at it.

Christian Brückner has no record, at this time, of murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 08:09:19 PM
What are you questioning as Amaral predicted this German suspect a year ago? He said nothing was discovered to tie him to the case. The PJ showed his pic to witnesses to see if they recall seeing him. If one witness had seen him then of course they would follow it up!

I'm confused. Amaral has said they looked into the suspect. I've never questioned him knowing about him or following it up. I was questioning how we the public would know exactly what was uncovered as it's not in the files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:17:48 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
Who did ?
Ariel Castro.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:17:48 PM
Ariel Castro.
 

I'm sorry,what's he got to do with Bruckner ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:12:56 PM
I'm guessing the nanny wasn't the only person shown the photo so it wouldn't be a case of just one person not seeing him.

Agreed because you would want to rule known offenders in or out straight away. Nanny's are the obvious witnesses to ask if there are pedo's about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:22:14 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:14:57 PM
No. It's what some child trafficking theorists think happens and is obviously quite ridiculous.

And all I can say is 'blimey' re. your suicide comment!

Best you Google ‘Ariel Castro’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:18:46 PM
 

I'm sorry,what's he got to do with Bruckner ?
Nothing. Just a case where he abducted three women who were found alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:54:33 PM
Surely he'd have been more well off?

When he actually came back from Portugal in 2007 he was WELL OFF. The first thing that came to my mind after reading it is that he probably sold Madeleine. Just my thinking!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
So you're just trying to divert and confuse the issue?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
So you're just trying to divert and confuse the issue?
Are you talking to me, Jassi?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
When he actually came back from Portugal in 2007 he was WELL OFF. The first thing that came to my mind after reading it is that he probably sold Madeleine. Just my thinking!

But still driving an ancient camper van and living in some friend's poxy attic. Doesn't sound loaded to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
Are you talking to me, Jassi?

Yes. That's what it sounds like to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:29:58 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
When he actually came back from Portugal in 2007 he was WELL OFF. The first thing that came to my mind after reading it is that he probably sold Madeleine. Just my thinking!

One man's 'well off' is another mans not so well off. He reportedly bought a mobile home ( older ones depreciate in value greatly) and a derelict building, who knows how much that might have been worth. The poster I replied to inferred Bruckner may have sold more than one victim, so not much to show for that IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:22:14 PM
Best you Google ‘Ariel Castro’.

I know about him. Totally different M.O. to someone taking a 4 year old from their bed and selling her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 08:33:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:28:19 PM
But still driving an ancient camper van and living in some friend's poxy attic. Doesn't sound loaded to me.

Mr Bischof said he soon realised Brueckner was using his roof to dry out marijuana that he was selling, saying: 'He was proud he had dreamed up a way to dry it in the roof because of the heat. He was selling it and making money."

A big time international drug dealer too!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:31:27 PM
I know about him. Totally different M.O. to someone taking a 4 year old from their bed and selling her.
Yes. My point is that in Castro’s case the three women were presumed dead but found alive. Why can this not be applied to Madeleine, Inge and Reneé?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:44:01 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:29:24 PM
Yes. That's what it sounds like to me.
Use the ‘quote’ option to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:29:58 PM
One man's 'well off' is another mans not so well off. He reportedly bought a mobile home ( older ones depreciate in value greatly) and a derelict building, who knows how much that might have been worth. The poster I replied to inferred Bruckner may have sold more than one victim, so not much to show for that IMO.

Well, if a drug user needs drugs he would sell valuable things for little money.
Today I was reading about his actual profile, he was described as a psychopath, narcissistic and manipulative. It was an interesting read, but at the same time, I was thinking about the times of Robert Murat when the press was making up stories about him so you never know if this is true. But if the German police think he is a suspect and that Madeleine is possibly dead then he is quite dangerous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:50:21 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 08:46:44 PM
Well, if a drug user needs drugs he would sell valuable things for little money.
Today I was reading about his actual profile, he was described as a psychopath, narcissistic and manipulative. It was an interesting read, but at the same time, I was thinking about the times of Robert Murat when the press was making up stories about him so you never know if this is true. But if the German police think he is a suspect and that Madeleine is possibly dead then he is quite dangerous.

Now where have I heard that terminology used in this case before ?

I thought he was just a dealer, not a user - perhaps he was both.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:51:18 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:41:45 PM
Yes. My point is that in Castro’s case the three women were presumed dead but found alive. Why can this not be applied to Madeleine, Inge and Reneé?

Because what I said about M.O.  Offenders who target older women to keep in a basement are very different offenders than child abusers who take pre-pubescent children. It's all a bit off topic isn't it and been discussed before?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 08:46:44 PM
Well, if a drug user needs drugs he would sell valuable things for little money.
Today I was reading about his actual profile, he was described as a psychopath, narcissistic and manipulative. It was an interesting read, but at the same time, I was thinking about the times of Robert Murat when the press was making up stories about him so you never know if this is true. But if the German police think he is a suspect and that Madeleine is possibly dead then he is quite dangerous.

The info I've seen says he was a dealer, so why would he need to buy them for himself? 
   Sadistic abusers usually do have that 'dark triangle' profile so I can believe that, also explains why he would target different age groups as it's the torture and control of the vulnerable they get off on and not a specific attraction to an age group such as children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 09:09:46 PM
Quote
Brueckner was born to a woman named Fischer but given over to youth authorities at an early age. Between 1992 - when he was 16 - and 1994 he lived in a facility for young people with learning difficulties.



Quote
'Profilers at the BKA describe him in their report as a psychopath who is capable of anything. A man who nevertheless – or precisely because of this – had a charismatic aura and impressed the people around him. Most felt exploited, taken for a ride and cheated afterward.

They paint a picture of a manipulative narcissist who could appear charming, but was only trying to get money he would never pay back or sexual gratification.

'He was very engaging, dominant and sociable, he seemed like a hopeless dreamer who always had big plans,'says one companion

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394973/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-gave-underage-girls-drugs-exchange-sex.html
So, this is his profile but I think it comes from the German police aka  BKA?.


I am not sure about others but it has been a couple of days for me that something from a very old Madeleine messageboard is bothering me a lot.
This was in very early days, in May 2007 and as we all knew a lot about this case we tried closing our eyes and thinking about who has taken her. This was not like clairvoyance but rather a structured way of throwing away all the information we were given and try focusing on one point.
So, at the time I wrote that a see a handyman, with a van, quite slim and masculine and not either young or old, and that he does things with mathematical precision, putting things in his van and that he had green German uniform like a shirt on.  This picture of the guy at the time was so strong in front of my eyes.  I wish I can now read that!! But these messageboard do not exist anymore :(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 09:31:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
So you're just trying to divert and confuse the issue?
Jassi, looking at your contribution to the forum there is nothing constructive and/or informative about Madeleine’s disappearance. ‘Divert’ and ‘confuse’ is a reflection upon yourself. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 09:31:41 PM
Jassi, looking at your contribution to the forum there is nothing constructive and/or informative about Madeleine’s disappearance. ‘Divert’ and ‘confuse’ is a reflection upon yourself. My opinion.

I'm here to question, rather  than to  inform, though I post plenty of informative links if you could be bothered to look.
I also try to add a little humour here and there though I know some don't approve.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 06, 2020, 09:48:19 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 09:31:41 PM
Jassi, looking at your contribution to the forum there is nothing constructive and/or informative about Madeleine’s disappearance. ‘Divert’ and ‘confuse’ is a reflection upon yourself. My opinion.

Member's aren't tied by them rules of yours are they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 10:04:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
I'm here to question, rather  than to  inform, though I post plenty of informative links if you could be bothered to look.
I also try to add a little humour here and there though I know some don't approve.
Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 06, 2020, 09:48:19 PM
Member's aren't tied by them rules of yours are they?
Please elaborate re. ‘my rules’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 06, 2020, 10:20:00 PM
From the opening salvo.

Police believe the man, now in jail for a sex crime, was in the area where the girl, then aged three, was last seen.

Only believe its clear they cannot link him,thats the appeal for witness's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 07:13:01 PM

But now on Sky we have a very somber  Brunt explaining that the BKA have had this information since 2013,
 
Grange since 2012, but he omits to mention that the PJ had it in 2007,
 

and at least by  8th May because that is when they showed a PHOTO (not a photo-fit) of Bückner to at least one of the witnesses.

So it took Grange 5 years to get the information, and then to do nothing, 

it took the BKA 6 years to get the information, and to do nothing.

Therefore the Judicial police had the information during the Golden Hours of Madeleine's abduction when it mattere most ... and did nothing with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 10:58:21 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
When he actually came back from Portugal in 2007 he was WELL OFF. The first thing that came to my mind after reading it is that he probably sold Madeleine. Just my thinking!

That was my immediate thought too.

I am intrigued by the fact that that now the German police have named the other side of the half hour phone conversation he had just before Madeleine disappeared that avenue has dried up.
Having the name, they will trace him and question him as a witness.  Who knows what may come of that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 11:02:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:28:19 PM
But still driving an ancient camper van and living in some friend's poxy attic. Doesn't sound loaded to me.

Not quite.
I have posted this already.  You may have missed it or maybe you are ignoring it in the hope it will go away.

Snip
'It was conspicuous that he had boasted about a sudden financial windfall after he returned from Portugal in 2007. Friends remember him telling them that he had found cash in a pile of clothes, large sums of money, after breaking into a home in the Algarve.

'In addition to a mobile home, he also used the money to buy a derelict factory property in the state of Saxony-Anhalt.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394183/Christian-Brueckner-flagged-key-Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-murder-suspect-SEVEN-YEARS-ago.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 11:05:02 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 08:33:04 PM
Mr Bischof said he soon realised Brueckner was using his roof to dry out marijuana that he was selling, saying: 'He was proud he had dreamed up a way to dry it in the roof because of the heat. He was selling it and making money."

A big time international drug dealer too!

Everyone has to start somewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 11:10:29 PM
Growing his own marijuana plants is a small time local dealer and nothing more. Hardly scarface!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 06, 2020, 11:22:48 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 11:10:29 PM
Growing his own marijuana plants is a small time local dealer and nothing more. Hardly scarface!

His present confinement in a prison for the brutal rape of an elderly lady is much more akin to the Scarface description.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:04:12 AM
A good, concise article in the Times which answers some of the questions I had about this.  Let’s pray that if it does go to court it’s in Germany and not Portugal (where he’d probably walk free, be allowed to prosecute the McCcanns for allowing him to kidnap their child instead and then write a best selling book about his ordeal).

What happens next to Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner?
Peter Conradi
Saturday June 06 2020, 6.00pm, The Sunday Times
The emergence of Christian Brückner, 43, as a suspect in the Madeleine McCann case follows a joint operation by police in Britain, Portugal and Germany.

Where is Brückner?
In jail in Kiel, northern Germany, serving 21 months for dealing drugs on the holiday island of Sylt. The sentence, handed down in 2011, was initially suspended, but in 2016 he was convicted of sexual offences involving a child and the following year of grievous bodily harm and so was then obliged to serve the drug sentence.

Last December he was given a further seven years after he was convicted by a court in Brunswick, Lower Saxony, of raping a 72-year-old American widow at her beachside home in Praia da Luz in September 2005, about 20 months before Madeleine McCann’s disappearance. It was his 17th conviction. The woman, who returned to America, has not been named.

Brückner has appealed to Germany’s Federal Criminal Court against the rape verdict, which is therefore not yet legally binding. The matter has been passed to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. He was extradited to Germany from Italy, to which he had fled in 2018, under a European arrest warrant.

With two-thirds of his drug sentence served, Brückner is eligible for parole. This is not automatic, however, and German legal experts have said that it is extremely unlikely that someone suspected of murder would be released early.


When could he be charged?
Brückner was revealed to be a suspect on last Wednesday’s edition of Aktenzeichen XY Ungelöst (File XY Unsolved), the German equivalent of Crimewatch — even though his name was not given.

In fact Brückner appears to have become a suspect in the case as long ago as 2013 after British detectives appeared on the same German television programme. According to Der Spiegel, a viewer then gave a tip to police in Brunswick, where Brückner was at the time running a kiosk. Police had passed the tip on to the Federal Office of Criminal Investigation but “it was apparently not acted upon, much to the consternation of the local investigators”, the magazine claimed.

Seven years on, Brückner has yet to be charged over Madeleine’s murder, apparently because there is insufficient evidence — which explains the decision to go on the programme again. “It is not enough for an arrest warrant or an indictment,” admitted Hans Wolters, from the public prosecutors office in Brunswick. Police have released photographs of the suspect and of the exterior and interior of his former home in Portugal.

Under German law, prosecutors are free to question Brückner about the McCann case, but it is thought that they have not yet done so. Judging by his past behaviour, he is unlikely to be co-operative when they do.

Legal experts were surprised that Christian Hoppe, of the Federal Criminal Police Office, who appeared on the programme, explicitly described the case as murder rather than as a missing person inquiry, as it has hitherto been treated by Scotland Yard. “That is very unusual,” said Arndt Kempgens, a German criminal lawyer who is following the case. “That can only mean they have found something else that they haven’t made public. Otherwise they would have spoken about a missing person.” It is thought that this something else could be photographs or information from other prisoners.

The German Madeleine


Inga went missing five years ago
Brückner has also been investigated in connection with the case of Inga Gehricke, a blonde five-year-old who disappeared on May 2, 2015, during a get-together in the woods with two other families near Stendal, in the eastern state of Saxony-Anhalt.

The parallels with the McCann case are striking. Inga’s parents initially thought their daughter had run into the forest to collect wood for a campfire. More than 100 police searched in vain for her for four days. Despite five years of public appeals and a reward of €25,000 for information leading to her whereabouts, Inga has not been found.

Brückner, registered as living 30 miles away in Brunswick at the time, was questioned the following February in connection with a piece of land he owned in Neuwegersleben, about 55 miles from where Inga disappeared. The land has a derelict former crate factory on it.

A passer-by came across some bones — apparently of Brückner’s labrador — buried there and alerted the police. In a bag they found a USB stick with pornographic image of children and a picture of Brückner naked.

Neighbours reported seeing him at the site most days in the three months leading up to Inga’s disappearance; he also appeared to have lived there for some time in an old caravan.

Investigators ended their investigation into any connections between Brückner and the Inga case after four weeks. It has since emerged that the day before her disappearance Brückner had been involved in a minor car accident at a motorway service area near Helmstedt, between Brunswick and Stendal, according to a local newspaper. On Friday state prosecutors in Saxony-Anhalt said they would reopen the investigation.

Third possible victim
Brückner is also suspected in connection with the disappearance of a German boy, René Hasee, 6, from a beach on the Algarve on June 21, 1996 — just months after Brückner had moved to the area.

The boy’s family, from Elsdorf, in North Rhine-Westphalia, had been on holiday in Aljezur, 25 miles from Praia da Luz. His father, Andreas, was contacted on Friday by police — the first time they had been in touch for 20 years. “There could be a connection,” he told the Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger newspaper. René had been running ahead of his mother and step-father on the beach on their way for a swim when they lost sight of him.

Although a body has not been found, Hasee said he had long since accepted that his son drowned, but told the paper: “He was actually also a very careful child. He would not have easily climbed into the Atlantic alone.”


Brückner was convicted of sexual offences involving a child in 2016
Where could he go on trial?
Under German law citizens may be tried either in the county where they allegedly committed a crime — in this case Portugal — or in the country in which they were arrested, namely Germany. The German and Portuguese authorities would decide between them.

If it were agreed to hold proceedings in Germany, the trial would be in a Schwurgericht (court of assizes), before three judges, assisted by two lay judges. Proceedings would be in public, although parts, such as those relating to sexual abuse, could be held in camera. The court may also visit the scene of the crime.

Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, along with other people who were in Praia da Luz at the time of her disappearance, would be witnesses. The couple would also probably want to take advantage of a provision in German law allowing them to be Nebenkläger (co-plaintiffs) alongside the state.

This would allow them to put questions to the defendant themselves, heightening the courtroom drama. If convicted of murder in Germany, Brückner could face life imprisonment, which would mean a minimum of 15 years in jail.
@Peter_Conradi
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:05:27 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 11:10:29 PM
Growing his own marijuana plants is a small time local dealer and nothing more. Hardly scarface!
Yes, virtually Mother Theresa by all accounts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 07, 2020, 12:20:04 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-news-latest-suspect-update-christian-b/
37 MINUTES AGO
MCCANN SUSPECT REGULARLY VISITED RUNDOWN COUNTRYSIDE VILLA

Christian B regularly visited a rundown villa in the Portuguese countryside after Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, it has been claimed.

The property, not previously linked with the 43-year-old German who has been revealed as the key suspect in the toddler’s disappearance, could now become a focal point in discovering what happened to the three-year-old in 2007.

It is believed Christian B often stayed at the villa in the village of Foral in 2007 and 2008 and parked his Volkswagen van at a nearby restaurant.

The villa is about 40 miles from the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, the holiday resort where three-year-old Madeleine disappeared, according to the Mail on Sunday.

A German couple who have lived in the village for more than 20 years said they immediately recognised him when he was named by German officials earlier this week.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 07, 2020, 12:34:20 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:10:21 PM
He committed suicide in prison.

I meant Brueckner. The three woman in the Cleveland case were kept secured in a house and fed by the perpetrator. How could this case possibly be similar ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:05:30 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 06, 2020, 09:45:43 AM
I would think that everyone would be disappointed.

It was a hope of mine.

I still have reason for hope.  Wish I could share it.

BTW, in one of the reports mentioned in this thread, he was said to have loads of cash.   He claims it was from a burglary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:19:28 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 06, 2020, 09:51:29 AM
I let my guard down and foolishly went with what I read in a tabloid.  8(8-))

Holly, the American lady and Christian B. did live down the lane/track from each other, but it is a long lane and they lived about 0.56 of a mile apart, crow flies.  The more northern part is just a track and maybe, maybe not, a small vehicle could negotiate it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:45:15 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
They did nothing when he was pointed at. Then again, 3 years ago they received a tip after the bar chat. OK, they might have been looking at him closely just to make sure. 3 years is an awful lot of time.  I think they have been doing their puzzle and now close to solving it.

Yep, and it was 2017 that I noticed a definite change in the posting of several members on here.  They stopped aggressing Kate and Gerry, thank goodness.  I mentioned it on here twice, but no one else seemed to have noticed.

Seems they heard about what was going on, IMO.  Seems the PJ, or someone, must have leaked/informed them.

At that time, Amaral too was changing his tune.   Likely he had links to the PJ still and he got the 'tip off' that SY were on to Christian Brueckner and he pulled in his horns to minimise the damage to himself ?


We all wondered why no money seemed to have changed hands, from The Mccanns to Amaral, after The Supreme Court found in his favour.      Maybe this was the reason ?


These are just the thoughts that are in my mind .  What do others think ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:45:15 AM
Yep, and it was 2017 that I noticed a definite change in the posting of several members on here.  They stopped aggressing Kate and Gerry, thank goodness.  I mentioned it on here twice, but no one else seemed to have noticed.

Seems they heard about what was going on, IMO.  Seems the PJ, or someone, must have leaked/informed them.

At that time, Amaral too was changing his tune.   Likely he had links to the PJ still and he got the 'tip off' that SY were on to Christian Brueckner and he pulled in his horns to minimise the damage to himself ?


We all wondered why no money seemed to have changed hands, from The Mccanns to Amaral, after The Supreme Court found in his favour.      Maybe this was the reason ?


These are just the thoughts that are in my mind .  What do others think ?
The court order was for the McCanns to pay court cost's not compensation of any kind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:23:36 AM
What people are missing here is that this guy could be an important witness to events of that night if he was around,clearly no evidence to link him,charges would already have been made before the rabid press got up if there were any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 08:30:18 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:23:36 AM
What people are missing here is that this guy could be an important witness to events of that night if he was around,clearly no evidence to link him,charges would already have been made before the rabid press got up if there were any.

Nothing at all except for the absolutely appalling criminal record he boasts ~ the fact that he lived minutes from the centre of Luz and also used a camper van ~ the fact  his phone places him in Luz just before Madeleine was abducted ~ the fact that he left Luz immediately after ~ the fact that he 'came into money at the same time ~ the fact he was a prolific and successful burglar who was known to illegally enter properties via windows.

In my opinion the "rabid press" are reporting information being given to them directly and openly by the police ... that is the German and English police ... and have received information from the public as a result.

I'm hoping some of that information will be useful in providing enough evidence for the police to solve some of the heinous crimes they are looking into because he can be placed where they occurred at the relevant time ~ just as he can be placed in Luz at the relevant time of Madeleine's disappearance.

Amaral who for some reason best known to himself told the world about Brueckner in April and having perhaps deliberately interfered with an active police investigation as a result has been silent since.
But think about why he did that ~ he is not taking Brueckner lightly by any means ~ and I don't think you are either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:23:36 AM
What people are missing here is that this guy could be an important witness to events of that night if he was around,clearly no evidence to link him,charges would already have been made before the rabid press got up if there were any.
Ah, good point.  This burglar-cum-child abuser-cum-torturer-cum-rapist could have just been hanging around Luz that night, quietly minding his own business and seen Gerry parading through town with a corpse.  What a turn up that would be, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 08:58:24 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 11:02:58 PM
Not quite.
I have posted this already.  You may have missed it or maybe you are ignoring it in the hope it will go away.

Snip
'It was conspicuous that he had boasted about a sudden financial windfall after he returned from Portugal in 2007. Friends remember him telling them that he had found cash in a pile of clothes, large sums of money, after breaking into a home in the Algarve.

'In addition to a mobile home, he also used the money to buy a derelict factory property in the state of Saxony-Anhalt.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394183/Christian-Brueckner-flagged-key-Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-murder-suspect-SEVEN-YEARS-ago.html

I stand corrected.

However , I have read that his camper van was sold to a dealer in 2015 and later impounded by police.
If he bought a new van in 2007, then have police taken  the right van into custody?
Are the pictures that  we have seen photos of the van he had around 2006 ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 09:10:47 AM
Ask yourself this,if you were coming up to retirement and yet the case you were DCI on, is about to announce the biggest possible breakthrough in the most infamous/famous missing child case in the world,would you opt on retirement and let some one else have the kudos or see it through especially after the profile you allowed Vogue to write.
Nope nothing to see here,move along folks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 09:10:47 AM
Ask yourself this,if you were coming up to retirement and yet the case you were DCI on, is about to announce the biggest possible breakthrough in the most infamous/famous missing child case in the world,would you opt on retirement and let some one else have the kudos or see it through especially after the profile you allowed Vogue to write.
Nope nothing to see here,move along folks.
LOL.  Another good point, yes clearly the DCI you are referring to was eager to quit the shit show asap so she wouldn’t have her good name sullied by these absurd developments.  As if this Christian guy could in any way be responsible when every fule no it was the parents wot dunnit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 09:31:57 AM
Perhaps this retired DCI also realised that this new/last lead would likely drag on for years and in the meantime she had a life to live.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 09:36:25 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 09:31:57 AM
Perhaps this retired DCI also realised that this new/last lead would likely drag on for years and in the meantime she had a life to live.
Yeah, maybe she had enough of poring over images of children being abused and old women being tortured and wanted to retire on her big fat police pension in the sun somewhere.   And who can blame her?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
‘A source close to the German police investigation said: "The suspect is saying nothing to officers so Kate and Gerry could be left in limbo for months, which is agonising for them."

It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died’. (Express)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 10:24:55 AM
‘A candle in Rothley, which usually burns around the clock as a symbol of hope for Madeleine and is re-lit daily by the church warden, has remained unlit since Wednesday’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 10:27:40 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
‘A source close to the German police investigation said: "The suspect is saying nothing to officers so Kate and Gerry could be left in limbo for months, which is agonising for them."

It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died’. (Express)


OMG, the Germans have been infected by a 'close source'. Hope it's not the same as the ' close source to the family'

Daily Mail must be gutted that they've been scooped by the Express
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
‘A source close to the German police investigation said: "The suspect is saying nothing to officers so Kate and Gerry could be left in limbo for months, which is agonising for them."

It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died’. (Express)

One would think therefore SY have seen them,yet they must have doubt,why else treat it still as a missing person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 10:36:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 10:32:38 AM
One would think therefore SY have seen them,yet they must have doubt,why else treat it still as a missing person.

Very true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 10:57:38 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 08:30:18 AM
Nothing at all except for the absolutely appalling criminal record he boasts ~ the fact that he lived minutes from the centre of Luz and also used a camper van ~ the fact  his phone places him in Luz just before Madeleine was abducted ~ the fact that he left Luz immediately after ~ the fact that he 'came into money at the same time ~ the fact he was a prolific and successful burglar who was known to illegally enter properties via windows.

In my opinion the "rabid press" are reporting information being given to them directly and openly by the police ... that is the German and English police ... and have received information from the public as a result.

I'm hoping some of that information will be useful in providing enough evidence for the police to solve some of the heinous crimes they are looking into because he can be placed where they occurred at the relevant time ~ just as he can be placed in Luz at the relevant time of Madeleine's disappearance.

Amaral who for some reason best known to himself told the world about Brueckner in April and having perhaps deliberately interfered with an active police investigation as a result has been silent since.
But think about why he did that ~ he is not taking Brueckner lightly by any means ~ and I don't think you are either.

Who saw his distinctive campervan that night? That should stand out like a sore thumb. Nobody to my knowledge and that's why they're asking for photos.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 10:57:38 AM
Who saw his distinctive campervan that night? That should stand out like a sore thumb. Nobody to my knowledge and that's why they're asking for photos.

Is it the right van ? He reportedly bought another one later in 2007, presumably when he returned to Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 11:03:29 AM
Anyone remember this headline from 2007,the suspect in question received a nice pay out,wonder if the German will receive the same in the fullness of time.



Madeleine suspect had 'child porn' on his computer

But the source said: "Things were found, including paedophile stuff, and that's why he remains of interest in this inquiry."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 11:04:43 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 10:57:38 AM
Who saw his distinctive campervan that night? That should stand out like a sore thumb. Nobody to my knowledge and that's why they're asking for photos.

Oh! some one will bound to be found by the press who remember it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 11:04:43 AM
Oh! some one will bound to be found by the press who remember it.

Perhaps there will be some sign of it on all those holiday snaps which were sent to the McCanns or their private detectives or CEOP or whoever it was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 11:04:43 AM
Oh! some one will bound to be found by the press who remember it.

Agreed there will always be a few wackos out there who will now recall seeing it 13 years later. They have to be careful with these witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 11:48:37 AM
Agreed there will always be a few whackos out there who will now recall seeing it 13 years later. They have to be careful with these witnesses.

Can't see any such statement having any value other than pointing towards other events that might be useful.

There's little doubt that his van would be in the area - he lived in the PDL area so having seen it will hardly be world-shattering information.

If witnesses saw him driving it away from 5A around about 9 pm, then that might be a different matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 11:02:25 AM
Is it the right van ? He reportedly bought another one later in 2007, presumably when he returned to Germany.

The first vehicle is a distinctive VW T3 Westfalia campervan. It is an early 1980s model, with two tone markings, a white upper body and a yellow skirting. It had a Portuguese registration plate.

The suspect had access to this van from at least April 2007 until sometime after May 2007. It was used in and around the area of Praia da Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 12:04:14 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 11:48:37 AM
Agreed there will always be a few wackos out there who will now recall seeing it 13 years later. They have to be careful with these witnesses.

Very careful or he could end up suing the same as Christopher Jeffreys.

The stories now been printed seems everyone coming out the woodwork yet stayed silent of there suspicions all these years.

How would they make credible witnesses when they blasting what they know to the media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 11:20:44 AM
Perhaps there will be some sign of it on all those holiday snaps which were sent to the McCanns or their private detectives or CEOP or whoever it was.

CEOP Jim Gamble was certainly asking for them in 2007 and yet again in 2020. OG better get the 2007 photos that they received if they haven't done so!

22 May 2007
Specialist detectives will use a high-speed database designed to detect paedophiles in an attempt to identify whoever abducted Madeleine McCann.
Senior police officers within Ceop - the child exploitation and online protection agency - appealed yesterday for anyone who had been on holiday in Praia de la Luz in the two weeks to May 3, the day Madeleine disappeared, to send in photographs taken in the area of the Ocean Club complex, where the McCann family was staying. Jim Gamble, chief executive of Ceop, said police were looking for pictures with people in the background who were not connected to the photographer.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/22/ukcrime.sandralaville
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:12:50 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 12:04:14 PM
Very careful or he could end up suing the same as Christopher Jeffreys.

The stories now been printed seems everyone coming out the woodwork yet stayed silent of there suspicions all these years.

How would they make credible witnesses when they blasting what they know to the media.

The media have made this German guilty already so it's going to have an effect on certain people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 12:04:14 PM
Very careful or he could end up suing the same as Christopher Jeffreys.

The stories now been printed seems everyone coming out the woodwork yet stayed silent of there suspicions all these years.

How would they make credible witnesses when they blasting what they know to the media.
Christopher Jeffries was a wholly innocent man who had his reputation unfairly dragged through the mud.  The same cannot be said for this individual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:12:50 PM
The media have made this German guilty already so it's going to have an effect on certain people.
Such as who?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:14:33 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
CEOP Jim Gamble was certainly asking for them in 2007 and yet again in 2020. OG better get the 2007 photos that they received if they haven't done so!

22 May 2007
Specialist detectives will use a high-speed database designed to detect paedophiles in an attempt to identify whoever abducted Madeleine McCann.
Senior police officers within Ceop - the child exploitation and online protection agency - appealed yesterday for anyone who had been on holiday in Praia de la Luz in the two weeks to May 3, the day Madeleine disappeared, to send in photographs taken in the area of the Ocean Club complex, where the McCann family was staying. Jim Gamble, chief executive of Ceop, said police were looking for pictures with people in the background who were not connected to the photographer.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/22/ukcrime.sandralaville

That would suggest that either he wasn't on the data base or he wasn't caught on camera in the area at that time
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:13:38 PM
Christopher Jeffries was a wholly innocent man who had his reputation unfairly dragged through the mud.  The same cannot be said for this individual.

So you can blame him for every unsolved crime without evidence? He worked in catering and talked on the phone with a catering manager? Is that suspicious that he abducted Madeleine to you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:21:22 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:17:23 PM
So you can blame him for every unsolved crime without evidence? He worked in catering and talked on the phone with a catering manager? Is that suspicious that he abducted Madeleine to you?
I’m not blaming him for anything at all, I am hoping however that he is thoroughly investigated for all those crimes and if there is evidence to be collected on him, that it is done so and presented in a court of law.  What is your problem with that?  The fact that he worked in catering and talked on the phone is the very least of it fgs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 07, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396063/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-tipped-tourists-leaving-apartment-doors-open-inside-man.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:29:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:21:22 PM
I’m not blaming hi. for anything at all, I am hoping however that he is thoroughly investigated for all those crimes and if there is evidence to be collected on him, that it is done so and presented in a court of law.  What is your problem with that?  The fact that he worked in catering and talked on the phone is the very least of it fgs.

Agreed he should be properly investigated but I've yet to see any evidence that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance except for boasts that he knows what happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 07, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396063/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-tipped-tourists-leaving-apartment-doors-open-inside-man.html

Health Warning. Do not visit this site unless you want to view a video of a very dissolute-looking Clarence Mitchell
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:32:15 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:29:47 PM
Agreed he should be properly investigated but I've yet to see any evidence that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance except for boasts that he knows what happened.
You will see only what you want to see as you are convinced Gerry did the crime. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:29:47 PM
Agreed he should be properly investigated but I've yet to see any evidence that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance except for boasts that he knows what happened.

Didn't Raymond Hewlett claim the same?

Maybe they both did it, along with Creepy Man, Victoria Beckham & some black dude.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 12:34:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:30:43 PM
Health Warning. Do not visit this site unless you want to view a video of a very dissolute-looking Clarence Mitchell

Warning.  The Daily Mail on Line is being phished by a fake Orange Site.  Much more important.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:34:51 PM
Police seemed to set great store in this phone call.
Now knowing who the originator was, they may judge it less important  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 12:34:03 PM
Didn't Raymond Hewlett claim the same?

Maybe they both did it, along with Creepy Man, Victoria Beckham & some black dude.

Is creepy man the same as spotty man ? There have been so many, I forget
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 12:40:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:34:51 PM
Police seemed to set great store in this phone call.
Now knowing who the originator was, they may judge it less important  IMO

Nope ... I think they might very well be even more interested.

Isn't the Portuguese guy's name it was registered to the equivalent of John Smith in English?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
I am really pleased to see that so many of you are now supporting Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

Keep up the good work y'all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:38:01 PM
Is creepy man the same as spotty man ? There have been so many, I forget

No Creepy man & Spotty man are two different people.

It can be hard to keep up with the number of creepy looking men seen lurking suspiciously close to apartment G5a.

Now we have another one to add to the list, but this one is a paedo who owned a car, campervan & mobile phone, so it must be him.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 12:44:44 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
I am really pleased to see that so many of you are now supporting Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

Keep up the good work y'all.

I have always supported the presumption of innocence, but that doesn't mean Kate & Gerry didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 07, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396063/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-tipped-tourists-leaving-apartment-doors-open-inside-man.html

That is suggesting that Diogo Silva is the inside man. They all left their doors open? Only the McCanns said they did at night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 12:42:47 PM
No Creepy man & Spotty man are two different people.

It can be hard to keep up with the number of creepy looking men seen lurking suspiciously close to apartment G5a.

Now we have another one to add to the list, but this one is a paedo who owned a car, campervan & mobile phone, so it must be him.
He’s also a violent rapist who was definitely in PdL the night Madeleine went missing and who it would seem happened to be in the locale at the same time as a number of other missing child cases. 

It’s true though the Algarve and PdL in particular does seem to be a magnet for lowlifes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
‘A source close to the German police investigation said: "The suspect is saying nothing to officers so Kate and Gerry could be left in limbo for months, which is agonising for them."

It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died’. (Express)

'It is understood'.....usually means hearsay.  Isn't police seeing actual footage of Maddie's body slightly different than an account of how she died!?....which could be completely made up?  If they had video of her body they wouldn't need to be appealing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:47:47 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
That is suggesting that Diogo Silva is the inside man. They all left their doors open? Only the McCanns said they did at night.
Maybe that’s why Madeleine was the one taken? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:47:50 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 07, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396063/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-tipped-tourists-leaving-apartment-doors-open-inside-man.html

I notice there is no attribution for this gem, only  Madeleine McCann suspect was tipped off about British tourists leaving their apartment doors open while they dined out by an 'inside man' at the complex where they were staying, a Portuguese newspaper has claimed."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:48:23 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
'It is understood'.....usually means hearsay.  Isn't police seeing actual footage of Maddie's body slightly different than an account of how she died!?....which could be completely made up?  If they had video of her body they wouldn't need to be appealing.
A video of her body wouldn’t necessarily prove who killed her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:47:04 PM
He’s also a violent rapist who was definitely in PdL the night Madeleine went missing and who it would seem happened to be in the locale at the same time as a number of other missing child cases. 

It’s true though the Algarve and PdL in particular does seem to be a magnet for lowlifes.

Well that's that then, case solved. We may as well all pack up & go home.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:51:38 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
'It is understood'.....usually means hearsay. Isn't police seeing actual footage of Maddie's body slightly different than an account of how she died!?....which could be completely made up?  If they had video of her body they wouldn't need to be appealing.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 12:52:56 PM
Does anyone find it curious that the German appeal says he 'had access' to the van?

'He lived a “transient lifestyle” in a camper van for days at a time. He was linked to houses in Portugal including one between one between Praia da Luz and Lagos.

He had access to a distinctive VW T3 Westfalia camper van from at least April until sometime after May 2007, which was used in and around Praia da Luz.''


why do they say this and then in later accounts that he sold it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:48:23 PM
A video of her body wouldn’t necessarily prove who killed her.

No not in absolute terms but how likely is it police wouldn't know where the video came from? We are told that Bruckner videos other rapes, one was on his video camera stolen by aquantainces. Now police are shown mystery photos OR video OR a description and we're supposed to believe they have no idea where these things came from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:57:43 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 12:52:56 PM
Does anyone find it curious that the German appeal says he 'had access' to the van?

'He lived a “transient lifestyle” in a camper van for days at a time. He was linked to houses in Portugal including one between one between Praia da Luz and Lagos.

He had access to a distinctive VW T3 Westfalia camper van from at least April until sometime after May 2007, which was used in and around Praia da Luz.''


why do they say this and then in later accounts that he sold it?

I find the various accounts about the van very confusing.
He's supposed to have sold this van in 2015, yet according to other reports he bought a second van in late 2007. Is this the one he sold in 2015, in which case where did the first van go and how did police  get hold of it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:58:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:47:47 PM
Maybe that’s why Madeleine was the one taken?

How convenient. With all the comings and goings and he wasn't seen checking all these apartments for an open door. He entered and saw Madeleine out of bed again I presume to not know what to do? Most would exit but he decides to take her. Then she is seen in a deep sleep and not awake by 9 eye witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 12:58:40 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-claims-saw-madeleine-mccann-22151768
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 01:00:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:47:50 PM
I notice there is no attribution for this gem, only  Madeleine McCann suspect was tipped off about British tourists leaving their apartment doors open while they dined out by an 'inside man' at the complex where they were staying, a Portuguese newspaper has claimed."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11593.msg597322#msg597322
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 12:58:40 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-claims-saw-madeleine-mccann-22151768

A witness claims she spotted Madeleine McCann getting into a German-owned Volkswagen van with a man weeks after her disappearance.

How does he/she know this when police state that Bruckner's van had Portuguese registration ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 01:04:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 12:58:40 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-claims-saw-madeleine-mccann-22151768

So now this evil pedo became a daddy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:57:43 PM
I find the various accounts about the van very confusing.
He's supposed to have sold this van in 2015, yet according to other reports he bought a second van in late 2007. Is this the one he sold in 2015, in which case where did the first van go and how did police  get hold of it ?

Yes that's confusing Jassi. I also find this confusing. when he committed the rape on the 72 year old woman he was on foot. So he planned something quite brazen and didn't think he needed to have a vehicle to leave the scene or to scope out the scene.

"His most serious conviction was for a disturbing sexual attack on a woman at the other end of the age spectrum, however: the rape of a 72-year-old American woman whose flat was on the 1km route between his house and the beach which he walked every day. The attack took place on 2 September 2005, and according to court documents seen by the Guardian, it was planned in detail
According to the documents, Brückner entered the woman’s house at about 10.30pm through the open door of her living room. He dragged her through the house, tying her down, beating her with a 30cm scimitar, raping her, and then leading her to the kitchen where he forced her to hand over money before he left by foot, taking her computer.''
   
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995 (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 01:06:17 PM
Yes that's confusing Jassi. I also find this confusing. when he committed the rape on the 72 year old woman he was on foot. So he planned something quite brazen and didn't think he needed to have a vehicle to leave the scene or to scope out the scene.

"His most serious conviction was for a disturbing sexual attack on a woman at the other end of the age spectrum, however: the rape of a 72-year-old American woman whose flat was on the 1km route between his house and the beach which he walked every day. The attack took place on 2 September 2005, and according to court documents seen by the Guardian, it was planned in detail
According to the documents, Brückner entered the woman’s house at about 10.30pm through the open door of her living room. He dragged her through the house, tying her down, beating her with a 30cm scimitar, raping her, and then leading her to the kitchen where he forced her to hand over money before he left by foot, taking her computer.''
   
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995 (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995)
People who commit crimes like this are usually brazen risk takers, not cautious risk averse types. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
People who commit crimes like this are usually brazen risk takers, not cautious risk averse types.

That's not what my source said,  'planned in detail'  how is that being a 'risk taker'.

Also various media sources are telling us he had someone telling him when doors were open, so again that's planning and risk asessment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 01:22:49 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 01:04:08 PM
So now this evil pedo became a daddy.

.....and Maddie happily took a 600 mile road trip with this total stranger.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 01:26:19 PM
So where is this police file of the alleged sighting in Alcossebre, Spain? Can anyone find it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:58:19 PM
How convenient. With all the comings and goings and he wasn't seen checking all these apartments for an open door. He entered and saw Madeleine out of bed again I presume to not know what to do? Most would exit but he decides to take her. Then she is seen in a deep sleep and not awake by 9 eye witnesses.
Who said the suspect is Smithman?  And you seem to have it arse about face.  The apartment was targeted BECAUSE it was the one with the unlocked door, not that he targeted the apartment and then conveniently discovered it was unlocked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 01:31:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
Who said the suspect is Smithman?  And you seem to have it arse about face.  The apartment was targeted BECAUSE it was the one with the unlocked door, not that he targeted the apartment and then conveniently discovered it was unlocked.

How do you know the apartment was targeted at all?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:33:18 PM
From the Times today  - behind paywall so no link


Headline - Madeleine McCann case: police seek a ‘knockout blow’ to charge suspect Christian Brückner

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann is said to have been placed under surveillance in jail in the hope that he will confess to the notorious crime to a fellow prisoner.

Police believe that Christian Brückner might inadvertently blurt out enough details about his involvement in her disappearance to allow them to charge him with her kidnapping and murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 01:33:28 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 01:22:28 PM
That's not what my source said,  'planned in detail'  how is that being a 'risk taker'.

Also various media sources are telling us he had someone telling him when doors were open, so again that's planning and risk asessment.

 No evidence of a break in,doors open.Some don't get it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 01:34:29 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 01:22:28 PM
That's not what my source said,  'planned in detail'  how is that being a 'risk taker'.

Also various media sources are telling us he had someone telling him when doors were open, so again that's planning and risk asessment.
The two are not mutually exclusive.  You can plan a mission in advance, doesn't mean it doesn't have serious risks involved.  He may have decided that using an easily identifiable vehicle on leaving the woman's house was more risky than walking home in the shadows.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:33:18 PM
From the Times today  - behind paywall so no link


Headline - Madeleine McCann case: police seek a ‘knockout blow’ to charge suspect Christian Brückner

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann is said to have been placed under surveillance in jail in the hope that he will confess to the notorious crime to a fellow prisoner.

Police believe that Christian Brückner might inadvertently blurt out enough details about his involvement in her disappearance to allow them to charge him with her kidnapping and murder.
Wonder if he has access to the times online,nothing like a bit of warning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:03:36 PM
A witness claims she spotted Madeleine McCann getting into a German-owned Volkswagen van with a man weeks after her disappearance.

How does he/she know this when police state that Bruckner's van had Portuguese registration ?

False number plates?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 01:38:50 PM
False number plates?

Possible, but still wouldn't mean German-owned, only German registered.
Bruckner's van was German-owned but Portuguese-registered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 07, 2020, 01:46:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 01:31:31 PM
How do you know the apartment was targeted at all?

And if the suspect was alerted to the apartment being empty the alerter would have known that the group had children and that they were checking on them as he would have to, I’d assume, have know that the patio door was unlocked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 01:51:41 PM
‘Diogo Silva appears to have ended up being the ‘new’ holder of one of the mobile phone numbers released by police in their appeal for information – a man with no connection to the case whatsoever, writes Correio da Manhã’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 07, 2020, 01:54:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
Possible, but still wouldn't mean German-owned, only German registered.
Bruckner's van was German-owned but Portuguese-registered.

And where has this witness suddenly appeared from? I’m presuming she said something at the time and her story was followed up?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 01:51:41 PM
‘Diogo Silva appears to have ended up being the ‘new’ holder of one of the mobile phone numbers released by police in their appeal for information – a man with no connection to the case whatsoever, writes Correio da Manhã’.

How very interesting. Another theory out the window, it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 02:04:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:56:32 PM
How very interesting. Another theory out the window, it would seem.

Yeh,fact's keeping getting in the way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 07, 2020, 02:04:56 PM
And what of ‘smelly man’ ? Surely Brueckner would be a shoe in for him yet not a whisper.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 07, 2020, 02:04:56 PM
And what of ‘smelly man’ ? Surely Brueckner would be a shoe in for him yet not a whisper.

So many to choose from,from Tannerman to smelly man,bogus charity collector,rasta man,what a choice,yet no one says which he is,gotta be one of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 02:08:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 02:07:19 PM
So many to choose from,from Tannerman to smelly man,bogus charity collector,rasta man,what a choice,yet no one says which he is,gotta be one of them.

Surely it was invisibleman
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 02:14:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:33:18 PM
From the Times today  - behind paywall so no link


Headline - Madeleine McCann case: police seek a ‘knockout blow’ to charge suspect Christian Brückner

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann is said to have been placed under surveillance in jail in the hope that he will confess to the notorious crime to a fellow prisoner.

Police believe that Christian Brückner might inadvertently blurt out enough details about his involvement in her disappearance to allow them to charge him with her kidnapping and murder.


Oh not that old chestnut - how many in there will want early release.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
Christian Brückner

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 02:17:30 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 02:14:26 PM

Oh not that old chestnut - how many in there will want early release.

It all sounded a bit desperate if the is what police are relying on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 02:21:47 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 02:17:30 PM
It all sounded a bit desperate if the is what police are relying on.

Very desperate - especially when GA predicted it last year seems it was on the cards 14 month ago
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 01:31:31 PM
How do you know the apartment was targeted at all?
That was the suggestion in the article we were discussing, do keep up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 02:29:46 PM
Let's all hear it for Goncalo Amaral, shall we.  He did know what he was a doing of when he decided that The McCanns were guilty and this poor old Paedophile and Rapist had nothing to do with anything.

Sorry.  Wrong Thread.  But I am about past caring.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:45:03 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:17:48 AM
The court order was for the McCanns to pay court cost's not compensation of any kind.

They haven't paid them, have they?

Could the identification of Chistian Bruecker and the potential there, be the reason why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:45:03 PM
They haven't paid them, have they?

Could the identification of Chistian Bruecker and the potential there, be the reason why?

Like Eleanor says, "I'm past caring"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 02:48:16 PM
Like Eleanor says, "I'm past caring"

But for entirely different reasons than mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 02:52:43 PM
In response to a reader’s comment about the possible prejudicial reporting in the media meaning the suspect would not receive a fair trial, the Time reporter responded thus


T
Peter Conradi
STAFF
18 HOURS AGO
CANNAE
No, not if the trial happens in Germany, since they do not have juries. As the piece says, the verdict would be decided by the judges, who will not be influenced by what we or any other media write.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 02:53:57 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:45:03 PM
They haven't paid them, have they?

Could the identification of Chistian Bruecker and the potential there, be the reason why?

Then the echr case will fail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 02:57:08 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 02:48:16 PM
Like Eleanor says, "I'm past caring"
you never cared about anything to do with this case, be honest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 02:57:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 02:53:57 PM
Then the echr case will fail.

Rubbish.  The Case is subject to another Court.  Only after that verdict will anything be decided.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 02:57:50 PM
Rubbish.  The Case is subject to another Court.  Only after that verdict will anything be decided.

Oh dear,read what the echr will and will not do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 02:57:08 PM
you never cared about anything to do with this case, be honest.

Not to anything like the emotional level that you seem to invest.
I view it as an interesting event that I intend to follow through to the end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:00:52 PM
Oh dear,read what the echr will and will not do.

No.  Read what The ECHR Can and Cannot do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 03:04:07 PM
No.  Read what The ECHR Can and Cannot do.

Its not about Amaral.

the complaints relate to matters which involve the responsibility of a public authority (legislature, administrative body, court of law, etc.); the Court cannot deal with complaints directed against private individuals or private organisations;

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:06:16 PM
Its not about Amaral.

the complaints relate to matters which involve the responsibility of a public authority (legislature, administrative body, court of law, etc.); the Court cannot deal with complaints directed against private individuals or private organisations;

The Complaint wasn't directed at a Private Individual.  Or did you miss that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:14:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 03:04:07 PM
No.  Read what The ECHR Can and Cannot do.

 It is important to tell clients clearly and  repeatedly that the Court is not a further appeal or ‘fourth instance’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 03:02:35 PM
Not to anything like the emotional level that you seem to invest.
I view it as an interesting event that I intend to follow through to the end.
Not to any level emotionally it would seem, only in its capacity to amuse you and to use it to cause offence. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
The Complaint wasn't directed at a Private Individual.  Or did you miss that?

We're getting distracted here.

This is about the unnamed german suspect who was named by the press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 03:15:25 PM
Not to any level emotionally it would seem, only in its capacity to amuse you and to use it to cause offence.

No, it's a sad case of course, but doesn't keep me awake at night, though it certainly helps keeps me awake in the daytime.

Offence is only taken by those who wish to be offended.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 03:19:27 PM
No, it's a sad case of course, but doesn't keep me awake at night, though it certainly helps keeps me awake in the daytime.

Offence is only taken by those who wish to be offended.
Rubbish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 03:19:27 PM
No, it's a sad case of course, but doesn't keep me awake at night, though it certainly helps keeps me awake in the daytime.

Offence is only taken by those who wish to be offended.

Well the weather has turned so its something to do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2020, 03:59:40 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 03:19:27 PM
No, it's a sad case of course, but doesn't keep me awake at night, though it certainly helps keeps me awake in the daytime.

Offence is only taken by those who wish to be offended.

i think offence is only taken by those who are vulnerable would be more accurate. I'm quite a compassionate person..
i feel for vulnerable poeple...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 04:04:24 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:14:06 PM
It is important to tell clients clearly and  repeatedly that the Court is not a further appeal or ‘fourth instance’.

But it doesn't half have it's clout.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 12:55:42 PM
No not in absolute terms but how likely is it police wouldn't know where the video came from? We are told that Bruckner videos other rapes, one was on his video camera stolen by aquantainces. Now police are shown mystery photos OR video OR a description and we're supposed to believe they have no idea where these things came from?

If he had any footage or photos of Madeleine he would be arrested straight away and questioned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 07, 2020, 03:59:40 PM
i think offence is only taken by those who are vulnerable would be more accurate. I'm quite a compassionate person..
i feel for vulnerable poeple...

So do I - an just to remind you Maddie was vulnerable too.

Sounds we are both the same - just on a different side, believe different things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 07, 2020, 03:59:40 PM
i think offence is only taken by those who are vulnerable would be more accurate. I'm quite a compassionate person..
i feel for vulnerable poeple...

Good for you.  My compassion is looking dodgy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 04:05:08 PM
If he had any footage or photos of Madeleine he would be arrested straight away and questioned.

Even if there were photos, they would have to be able to him to them, not just exist
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2020, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:14:06 PM
It is important to tell clients clearly and  repeatedly that the Court is not a further appeal or ‘fourth instance’.

It doesnt have to be to see justice done. Having looked at meny other cases amaral will not be directly involved but what he has said...the contents of his book and the evidence to support those statements will. there ha sto be  abalance between articles 8 and 10 and the right to free speech is generally acceptable if the statements are reasonable and based on evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2020, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 04:06:47 PM
So do I - an just to remind you Maddie was vulnerable too.

Sounds we are both the same - just on a different side, believe different things.

i certainly feel for maddie and I also feel for her parents. I see them as vulnerable too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 04:56:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 02:52:43 PM
In response to a reader’s comment about the possible prejudicial reporting in the media meaning the suspect would not receive a fair trial, the Time reporter responded thus


T
Peter Conradi
STAFF
18 HOURS AGO
CANNAE
No, not if the trial happens in Germany, since they do not have juries. As the piece says, the verdict would be decided by the judges, who will not be influenced by what we or any other media write.

That is interesting.  I had absolutely no idea there were no juries in Germany.  Apparently that has been the case since 1924.

I did read somewhere that the victims of a crime or their survivors have the right to be allowed to question defendants in a trial but I didn't realise why that was and just how different the legal system was from ours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 07, 2020, 04:12:53 PM
i certainly feel for maddie and I also feel for her parents. I see them as vulnerable too.

I could say they had the choice to do what they did - Maddie didn't, but I won't.

I'll just say who was the adult here - who was the child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2020, 05:04:15 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 05:02:19 PM
I could say they had the choice to do what they did - Maddie didn't, but I won't.

I'll just say who was the adult here - who was the child.
The parents are still vulnerable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 07, 2020, 05:13:13 PM
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-traded-young-22152126

ByEmma Robertson
14:52, 7 JUN 2020UPDATED14:54, 7 JUN 2020

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner would sleep with partygoers after giving them cannabis joints at sex parties, it has been claimed.



A witness who recognised Brueckner from around the same time as Madeleine disappeared alleges that he exchanged drugs for sex.
Speaking to Portuguese TV station TVI anonymously, she said she recognised him and his distinctive yellow and white VW Camper van.

The parties, nicknamed “Pizza Parties” took place in woods near the hippy village of Barao de Sao Joao a 20-minute drive from his ramshackle farmhouse near Praia da Luz.

The woman said: “It was a sort of payment in kind. He gave the girls weed and other things they wanted and in exchange they gave him sex because they didn’t have money to pay for the drugs.

“That was the way they did things.”

The woman told how he always spoke English and hung around with a lookalike pal.

She added: “I thought the other man was a brother or a friend. Both were tall and both were blond-haired.

“One had blue eyes and the other had green eyes. I thought both of them were English until I found out now one of them was German.

“I always assumed they were English because I always heard them speaking in English.

“I immediately knew the new Madeleine McCann suspect was him when I saw the camper van on TV.

“It was the one he used. The last time I saw him was in 2007 shortly before Madeleine vanished.”

While in Portugal the suspect was imprisoned twice and had only been out from his second sentence five months before Madeleine’s disappearance.

He served two months in Evora Prison in 1999 for a petty offence and a nine-month prison term on the Algarve in 2006 for diesel theft.

He is known to have returned to Portugal following a spell away from the country after Madeleine went missing in May 2007.

He's been linked by local reports to an assault in 2016 and a sex abuse case in 2017 near the town of Silves a short drive inland from Albufeira, where his camper van was seized by police last year.

It's alleged that in 2017 the suspect "confessed" to abducting the girl while in a bar with a friend in Germany.

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A reminder of a comment made by Murat to PJ in May 2007...
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm#p4p985
*snipped*
• States that the locale of Baroes is a locale where potential paedophiles exist interested in abducting children;



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 05:55:49 PM
Who knew?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8395417/Name-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-passed-police-SEVEN-years-ago.html

Name of new Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner was passed to German police SEVEN years ago by an acquaintance who remembered him from Praia da Luiz

https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-police-failed-identify-madeleine-mccann-suspect-2012-report.amp?__twitter_impression=true

UK police failed to identify Madeleine McCann suspect in 2012, Portuguese law official says:

Maybe because there's nothing to link him to Madeleines disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 06:03:49 PM


Scotland Yard did not open their case until 2013.

In 2012 evidence was still under review.

But the important thing for you to remember is that primacy rests with the Portuguese.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:09:22 PM
The biggest known suspect now hasn't even been questioned,how come he's so suspect?

Last night, Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told German newspaper BILD: ‘At the moment the criminal suspicion is based on clues. We haven’t interrogated the suspect yet regarding this case.’
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:11:07 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 06:03:49 PM

Scotland Yard did not open their case until 2013.

In 2012 evidence was still under review.

But the important thing for you to remember is that primacy rests with the Portuguese.

So for two yrs OG wouldn't have looked at the list of 600 whittling it down until 2013,what were they doing in the meantime?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:12:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:09:22 PM
The biggest known suspect now hasn't even been questioned,how come he's so suspect?

Last night, Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told German newspaper BILD: ‘At the moment the criminal suspicion is based on clues. We haven’t interrogated the suspect yet regarding this case.’
They haven’t questioned him yet because he has been non-cooperative in all his other police interviews and is unlikely to start spilling any beans now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 06:12:25 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 06:03:49 PM

Scotland Yard did not open their case until 2013.

In 2012 evidence was still under review.

But the important thing for you to remember is that primacy rests with the Portuguese.

What about the mccs - weren't they going through files with a fine-tooth comb in case anything missed

AFAICR - didn't they pay for translation of the files out of there money sorry the fund.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:12:04 PM
They haven’t questioned him yet because he has been non-cooperative in all his other police interviews and is unlikely to start spilling any beans now.

How do you know that - it is only what you read
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:16:09 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 06:14:27 PM
How do you know that - it is only what you read
I know it because I read it in a report.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:17:09 PM
Seems like a blame game is afoot.

At a time, a detective constable named John Hughes from Leicester where the McCann family live, issued an international Interpol alert with a “risk to life missing person” warning demanding Spanish and German police investigate.

https://inews.co.uk/news/witness-madeleine-mccann-german-camper-van-2877292
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:11:07 PM
So for two yrs OG wouldn't have looked at the list of 600 whittling it down until 2013,what were they doing in the meantime?

Flying backward and forwards to Portugal it seems - with eventually £12 mill at there disposal and still asking for more
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 06:23:08 PM
This has been raised before: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.465

News article to follow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 06:27:35 PM
In it they urged those searching for Madeleine to probe links to a German sex offender whose surname was given as “Meissner” but who was known to use aliases.

‘It also said he was linked to other paedophiles - one of whom was named as Frankel.

The memo said the sex-offenders were involved in trafficking.

A source close to the case said these details now take on “huge significance” given the events of the past seven days.

Not least because police in Germany are actively investigating the scenario that Christian B - a known German paedophile - was behind the disappearance of Madeleine.

“This looks like the latest in what is emerging as a string of missed opportunities to properly investigate the case,” the source said’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:12:04 PM
They haven’t questioned him yet because he has been non-cooperative in all his other police interviews and is unlikely to start spilling any beans now.

Yeh,no comment to a question not even asked.The state prosecutor says they haven't even questioned him yet regarding the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 06:27:35 PM
In it they urged those searching for Madeleine to probe links to a German sex offender whose surname was given as “Meissner” but who was known to use aliases.

‘It also said he was linked to other paedophiles - one of whom was named as Frankel.

The memo said the sex-offenders were involved in trafficking.

A source close to the case said these details now take on “huge significance” given the events of the past seven days.

Not least because police in Germany are actively investigating the scenario that Christian B - a known German paedophile - was behind the disappearance of Madeleine.

“This looks like the latest in what is emerging as a string of missed opportunities to properly investigate the case,” the source said’.
Where's this from,link please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:37:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
Yeh,no comment to a question not even asked.The state prosecutor says they haven't even questioned him yet regarding the case.
Just carry on pouring ridicule on the latest developments- you obviously need to in order to help you deal with it only time will tell if the police have good reasons for doing what they are doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
Yeh,no comment to a question not even asked.The state prosecutor says they haven't even questioned him yet regarding the case.

Of course, if he makes no comment under interview, that mustn't be taken as an indication of guilt, same as it was for Kate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 06:40:00 PM
Of course, if he makes no comment under interview, that mustn't be taken as an indication of guilt, same as it was for Kate.
Quite right, however your opinion has always been that Kate giving “no comment” replies was an indicator of guilt so why have you changed your opinion now?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 06:53:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:11:07 PM
So for two yrs OG wouldn't have looked at the list of 600 whittling it down until 2013,what were they doing in the meantime?

Looking for evidence to present to the Home Secretary of the time to justify being authorised to start investigating Madeleine's case and for funding to be put in place.

At the time no-one was investigating Madeleine's case except for her parents.

But then I presume you already know all this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:53:40 PM
Quite right, however your opinion has always been that Kate giving “no comment” replies was an indicator of guilt so why have you changed your opinion now?

I haven't. I'm still absolutely certain she dunnit, & no amount of local paedos with phones, jaguars & camper vans is going to change that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 06:12:25 PM
What about the mccs - weren't they going through files with a fine-tooth comb in case anything missed

AFAICR - didn't they pay for translation of the files out of there money sorry the fund.

Kate and Gerry McCann were forced to carry out their own investigations on Madeleine's behalf.  Because no one else was looking for her.

But I presume you already know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 07:00:32 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 06:53:56 PM
Looking for evidence to present to the Home Secretary of the time to justify being authorised to start investigating Madeleine's case and for funding to be put in place.

At the time no-one was investigating Madeleine's case except for her parents.

But then I presume you already know all this.

At the time no-one was investigating Madeleine's case except for her parents.

So how come they missed it. wasn't that what they were supposed to be doing in case anything was missed by PJ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 07:01:14 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
I haven't. I'm still absolutely certain she dunnit, & no amount of local paedos with phones, jaguars & camper vans is going to change that.
So if this suspect gives no comment replies to police questions then he will also be guilty in your view?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 07:01:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 07:01:14 PM
So if this suspect gives no comment replies to police questions then he will also be guilty in your view?

No, because he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 07, 2020, 07:03:50 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
Kate and Gerry McCann were forced to carry out their own investigations on Madeleine's behalf.  Because no one else was looking for her.

But I presume you already know that.

Ah yes the investigations. Didn’t one of their own investigators write a report that was scathing of the parents ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:08:19 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
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Thank you goes with this.

Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:17:09 PM
Seems like a blame game is afoot.

At a time, a detective constable named John Hughes from Leicester where the McCann family live, issued an international Interpol alert with a “risk to life missing person” warning demanding Spanish and German police investigate.

https://inews.co.uk/news/witness-madeleine-mccann-german-camper-van-2877292
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 07:14:33 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
  (https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A5_5/apenso5_vol_5_p969.jpg)
SLIPPED THE NET? Madeleine McCann cops warned Portuguese police her disappearance may be linked to German-based child-trafficker

Jon Lockett
7 Jun 2020, 18:04

BRITISH police warned Portuguese detectives Madeleine McCann’s disappearance could be linked to a German-based child-trafficker - just days after she vanished.

In the immediate aftermath of her vanishing, the Serious Organised Crime Agency sent an alert marked “urgent” to their counterparts working the case on the Algarve.

n it they urged those searching for Madeleine to probe links to a German sex offender whose surname was given as “Meissner” but who was known to use aliases.

It also said he was linked to other paedophiles - one of whom was named as Frankel.

The memo said the sex-offenders were involved in trafficking.

A source close to the case said these details now take on “huge significance” given the events of the past seven days.

Not least because police in Germany are actively investigating the scenario that Christian B - a known German paedophile - was behind the disappearance of Madeleine.

“This looks like the latest in what is emerging as a string of missed opportunities to properly investigate the case,” the source said.

“It shows that in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance the police in the UK were linking it, straight away, to a ring which led back to Germany.

“This development throws up a lot of questions that need to be answered. Not least who were these men? Were they ever traced? And did they know or have any links to Christian B?

"Even now both of these individuals must be found and spoken to because they could hold vital clues about what happened to Madeleine."

Details of the potential blunder comes amid mounting criticism of the Portuguese police’s handling of the case.

It's been reported that British detectives raised concerns that Madeleine had been spotted with a German man getting into a VW van weeks after she vanished.

We now know this is the make of the vehicle the Madeleine suspect drove.

Files also contain a report by a witness who saw a "strange" man matching Christian B's description loitering in the Praia da Luz resort two weeks before Madeleine was taken.

Another tourist reported seeing a "suspicious man" with a van of the type he drove.  Continued

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11804930/madeleine-cops-warned-german-based-child-trafficker/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:32:36 PM
Yep its a blame game.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11803449/madeleine-mccann-suspect-name-tv-appeal/

ON THE RADAR Madeleine McCann suspect’s name was passed to German cops SEVEN years ago after TV appeal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 07:14:33 PM
SLIPPED THE NET? Madeleine McCann cops warned Portuguese police her disappearance may be linked to German-based child-trafficker

Jon Lockett
7 Jun 2020, 18:04

BRITISH police warned Portuguese detectives Madeleine McCann’s disappearance could be linked to a German-based child-trafficker - just days after she vanished.

In the immediate aftermath of her vanishing, the Serious Organised Crime Agency sent an alert marked “urgent” to their counterparts working the case on the Algarve.

n it they urged those searching for Madeleine to probe links to a German sex offender whose surname was given as “Meissner” but who was known to use aliases.

It also said he was linked to other paedophiles - one of whom was named as Frankel.

The memo said the sex-offenders were involved in trafficking.

A source close to the case said these details now take on “huge significance” given the events of the past seven days.

Not least because police in Germany are actively investigating the scenario that Christian B - a known German paedophile - was behind the disappearance of Madeleine.

“This looks like the latest in what is emerging as a string of missed opportunities to properly investigate the case,” the source said.

“It shows that in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance the police in the UK were linking it, straight away, to a ring which led back to Germany.

“This development throws up a lot of questions that need to be answered. Not least who were these men? Were they ever traced? And did they know or have any links to Christian B?

"Even now both of these individuals must be found and spoken to because they could hold vital clues about what happened to Madeleine."

Details of the potential blunder comes amid mounting criticism of the Portuguese police’s handling of the case.

It's been reported that British detectives raised concerns that Madeleine had been spotted with a German man getting into a VW van weeks after she vanished.

We now know this is the make of the vehicle the Madeleine suspect drove.

Files also contain a report by a witness who saw a "strange" man matching Christian B's description loitering in the Praia da Luz resort two weeks before Madeleine was taken.

Another tourist reported seeing a "suspicious man" with a van of the type he drove.  Continued

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11804930/madeleine-cops-warned-german-based-child-trafficker/

Grey wavy hair -  55to 60 - 5ft 8" - van colour blue ???????
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 07, 2020, 07:45:01 PM
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1292470/Madeleine-mccann-gerry-kate-mccann-british-police
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 07:51:53 PM

Quote from: Lace on June 07, 2020, 07:45:01 PM
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1292470/Madeleine-mccann-gerry-kate-mccann-british-police


"It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died."

Why so vague?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 07:53:31 PM
55 to 60 years old  *%87

The German was 30 years old in 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
Must be lots of interesting things some are saying,they're under watch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 08:01:12 PM
Martin Smith?

(https://i.imgur.com/CvWzUjb.png)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 08:01:12 PM
Martin Smith.

(https://i.imgur.com/CvWzUjb.png)

Smithman was just another innocent tourist (who looked like Gerry & did not wish to speak) taking his child to the night creche.

Paedo man, he's our guy now, nobody saw him or his camper van, but he definitely did it.
The German police have proof & they are going to nail that paedo see if they don't.

Shouldn't be much longer now.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 08:06:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 07:51:53 PM
"It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died."

Why so vague?

How can footage or photos exist if OG are still calling it a missing person case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 08:01:12 PM
Martin Smith?

(https://i.imgur.com/CvWzUjb.png)

I would say so!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 06:40:00 PM
Of course, if he makes no comment under interview, that mustn't be taken as an indication of guilt, same as it was for Kate.

You said it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 08:16:47 PM
You said it.

Indeed I did. How very perceptive of you. Give yourself a gold star.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 08:27:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
Indeed I did. How very perceptive of you. Give yourself a gold star.

I've already got that.  What next?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 07:53:31 PM
55 to 60 years old  *%87

The German was 30 years old in 2007.
It has reference to other imprisoned German citizens.
It is in the pj files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 07, 2020, 10:33:10 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396679/Owner-villa-Madeleine-McCann-murder-suspect-lived-urges-police-search-grounds.html

The owner of a remote villa where the Madeleine McCann murder suspect lived after she disappeared has urged police to search her extensive grounds.

Lia Silva said she would fully cooperate with British and Portuguese police if they suspected the toddler's body could be buried somewhere on her land.

Christian Brueckner stayed at the house in 2007 when it was used as a shelter for troubled children and rented by a German woman called Nicole and partner Roman.

The tall, blue eyed German with piercing blue eyes was seen many times in the area and at the property in the weeks after the three-year-old disappeared.

Its current owner confirmed that she saw Brueckner at the villa on a number of occasions.

In an exclusive interview with MailOnline Silva urged police to search her 5,000 sq m property if they believed the missing child could be buried in the grounds.

She said: 'I just want the parents to get some resolution. If the police want to dig up my grounds they are welcome.

'I am fully expecting them to come here now that they know Brueckner was here. Personally I don't think she can be here.

'The soil is very hard and you'd need a digger or something like that. But if the police want to they can. I will do all I can to help I feel feel so sorry for them and they must be in hell not knowing.'

McCann suspect Christian Brueckner carried a handgun when he was living in the village of Foral, according the residents.

They described the German as 'intimidating' and led to many of the locals avoiding dining at the only restaurant in the village where he would often strut around.

The paedophile worked as a part time waiter at the O Foral restaurant after moving to the village and living in his camper van.

Lia Silva said:' I have been told that when he was here he has a gun that he would always be in a holster around his waist.
'Lots of people were very put off by that and found it very intimidating,

'People would talk about it as it was unusual. Back in 2007 you did not need a licence to carry a gun.'

Silva said she had never seen Brueckner with the firearm and believes it was for effect to bolster his image.

'He like to intimidate people from what I have been told. All the locals would talk about him with the gun as it was so unusual.'   

Silva, who is Portuguese but bizarrely speaks with an Australian accent, said she had never met Brueckner when he stayed at her home.

She discovered the German woman who rented the villa was good friends with Brueckner and he often stayed over.

She said: 'I didn't know his name at the time but he was a very good friend of Nicole. He was an ugly man who always wore a black leather jacket.

'He came here to help her. One of the girls that had been sent from Germany to stay with her ran away to stay with some Romanians a few miles away.

'He found her and brought her back but she was pregnant. I know he would often stay over at the villa as he was good friends with Nicole and her boyfriend Roman.

'I was in dispute with Nicole over non payment of rent and so did not go the the property but my friends would tell me he was there.

'He drove a VW camper van. I was staying with my parents while the villa was rented out. Nicole left owing me thousands.'

Silva now shares the property called Villa Bianca with eight rescue dogs who repeatedly run and jump up at wrought iron gates when people walk past.

At the nearby O Foral restaurant staff said they had not seen any police Involved in the McCann inquiry In the area.

The restaurants former owner spoke German and employed Brueckner on a part time basis as a waiter.

He has since moved away from the area but a neighbour said: ' Those who spoke German would stick together.'

Silva's home is off a dirt track and in as secluded position as the homes Brueckner lived in near the Ptaiz da Luz resort.

The single storey property is in a secluded position with its entrance of a dirt track and fencing topped with three layers of barbed wire.

The garden is overgrown with one car missing its front wheels and resting on bricks. It is surrounded by fields with the nearest neighbour more than 200m away.

Brueckner would park his VW in the car park of the O Foral restaurant where he worked part time as a waiter.

The restaurant changed hands six years ago with the current husband and wife owners unaware of Brueckner.

Residents in Foral, about 40 miles from the resort of Praia da Luz where McCann went missing, were shocked to find their tiny village linked to the paedophile.

A resident, who asked not to be named, said: 'It is awful to think he lived here. This all happened before I moved here but everyone who lived in Portugal knows the McCann story.'
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The man Tasmin Sillence saw twice, staring at 5a, was reportedly "ugly" & wearing a black leather jacket.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn't Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn't sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.

The first time that she saw him he was wearing a sports style jacket of thin black leather, with a zipper and several pockets also with similar zippers, in silver. She saw no label or inscription. The jacket was open, therefore she saw a white t-shirt, with a dark blue label near the waist, which she cannot identify very well.

Trousers, she thinks, of blue jeans, worn out. Sports shoes (trainers) in black and grey, with a wave, maybe 'Nike' in a colour that she can't remember.

The second time, he wore the same jacket, this time zipped up, because the day was colder than the first one, windy. She didn't notice the rest of the clothing. She says that on that day he had a pen with a string attached to one of his pockets.
............

TMS said she would recognise the man again so I wonder if she was shown CB's photograph.

Linked to this report, on ITV news there was some mention of fostering German children at this village property.






Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 07, 2020, 10:36:53 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 07:14:33 PM
SLIPPED THE NET? Madeleine McCann cops warned Portuguese police her disappearance may be linked to German-based child-trafficker

Jon Lockett
7 Jun 2020, 18:04

BRITISH police warned Portuguese detectives Madeleine McCann’s disappearance could be linked to a German-based child-trafficker - just days after she vanished.

In the immediate aftermath of her vanishing, the Serious Organised Crime Agency sent an alert marked “urgent” to their counterparts working the case on the Algarve.

n it they urged those searching for Madeleine to probe links to a German sex offender whose surname was given as “Meissner” but who was known to use aliases.

It also said he was linked to other paedophiles - one of whom was named as Frankel.

The memo said the sex-offenders were involved in trafficking.

A source close to the case said these details now take on “huge significance” given the events of the past seven days.

Not least because police in Germany are actively investigating the scenario that Christian B - a known German paedophile - was behind the disappearance of Madeleine.

“This looks like the latest in what is emerging as a string of missed opportunities to properly investigate the case,” the source said.

“It shows that in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance the police in the UK were linking it, straight away, to a ring which led back to Germany.

“This development throws up a lot of questions that need to be answered. Not least who were these men? Were they ever traced? And did they know or have any links to Christian B?

"Even now both of these individuals must be found and spoken to because they could hold vital clues about what happened to Madeleine."

Details of the potential blunder comes amid mounting criticism of the Portuguese police’s handling of the case.

It's been reported that British detectives raised concerns that Madeleine had been spotted with a German man getting into a VW van weeks after she vanished.

We now know this is the make of the vehicle the Madeleine suspect drove.

Files also contain a report by a witness who saw a "strange" man matching Christian B's description loitering in the Praia da Luz resort two weeks before Madeleine was taken.

Another tourist reported seeing a "suspicious man" with a van of the type he drove.  Continued

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11804930/madeleine-cops-warned-german-based-child-trafficker/

That document suggests a request to German Police to search their database as far as I read it.  And the age???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 10:45:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 07:01:43 PM
No, because he didn't do it.
So giving “no comment” answers in police interviews is not an indicator of guilt, exceptwhen Kate does it.  Double satandards, what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 07, 2020, 10:51:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 10:45:04 PM
So giving “no comment” answers in police interviews is not an indicator of guilt, exceptwhen Kate does it.  Double satandards, what?

Of course it's not an indicator of guilt - no matter who does it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 10:52:38 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 07, 2020, 10:51:00 PM
Of course it's not an indicator of guilt - no matter who does it.
Why do McCann sceptics constantly use it as evidence of guilt against Kate McCann then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 07, 2020, 11:24:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 10:52:38 PM
Why do McCann sceptics constantly use it as evidence of guilt against Kate McCann then?

I’ve no idea, but I suspect it’s misguided confirmation bias. Like those who will judge the German sex offender on the strength of the circumstantial evidence. That said I suspect we may have a body soon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2020, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 07, 2020, 11:24:09 PM
I’ve no idea, but I suspect it’s misguided confirmation bias. Like those who will judge the German sex offender on the strength of the circumstantial evidence. That said I suspect we may have a body soon.
What makes you suspect that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 08, 2020, 12:08:33 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 11:59:55 PM
What makes you suspect that?

Reportedly there was an offer today for someone’s land to be searched. I know it’s not the first time but every so often I feel there may be a resolution. Just a feeling I guess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 12:31:13 AM
It's very hard to dig by hand so I don't believe they will find her buried there. The police will require diggers. A deep lake is a much easier option and I don't think he would have a digger.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 08, 2020, 06:50:16 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 08:06:19 PM
Smithman was just another innocent tourist (who looked like Gerry & did not wish to speak) taking his child to the night creche.

Paedo man, he's our guy now, nobody saw him or his camper van, but he definitely did it.
The German police have proof & they are going to nail that paedo see if they don't.

Shouldn't be much longer now.....

Walking in the opposite direction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 10:45:30 AM
PORTUGAL
Maddie Case: Law does not provide for arrest of German friend who oversaw McCann routines
7:23 AM by  SATURDAY0
A friend of the suspect in Maddie's disappearance does not incur any sanctions under Portuguese law, even if he knew that the objective was to rob the house that was being occupied by the English couple.

The Portuguese friend of Christian Brueckner, who will have provided the German with information about the McCann couple's routines, does not incur any sanctions, in the light of our legislation, even if he knew that the goal was to rob the house that was being occupied by the couple English.

"It is an armored principle of the Law: the instigation or co-authorship must have deceit. It is not the case. The employee could only have disciplinary problems. Nothing more", explains to the  Correio da Manhã  Rui Pereira, jurist, underlining that the deadlines of the case they would also have an effect. "Even if it was intentional, it had already been prescribed. And, as for kidnapping, it is absurd. Nobody can predict that a theft will end in kidnapping. And that is why it is not punishable", he concluded.

Read more at Correio da Manhã .
https://www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/caso-maddie-lei-nao-preve-prisao-para-amigo-de-alemao-que-vigiou-rotinas-dos-mccann?ref=hp_destaquesprincipais


Correio da Manhã is behind a pay wall so that is as far as I can go.

However, no wonder there were so many burglaries in the holiday complex.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 10:45:30 AM
PORTUGAL
Maddie Case: Law does not provide for arrest of German friend who oversaw McCann routines
7:23 AM by  SATURDAY0
A friend of the suspect in Maddie's disappearance does not incur any sanctions under Portuguese law, even if he knew that the objective was to rob the house that was being occupied by the English couple.

The Portuguese friend of Christian Brueckner, who will have provided the German with information about the McCann couple's routines, does not incur any sanctions, in the light of our legislation, even if he knew that the goal was to rob the house that was being occupied by the couple English.

"It is an armored principle of the Law: the instigation or co-authorship must have deceit. It is not the case. The employee could only have disciplinary problems. Nothing more", explains to the  Correio da Manhã  Rui Pereira, jurist, underlining that the deadlines of the case they would also have an effect. "Even if it was intentional, it had already been prescribed. And, as for kidnapping, it is absurd. Nobody can predict that a theft will end in kidnapping. And that is why it is not punishable", he concluded.

Read more at Correio da Manhã .
https://www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/caso-maddie-lei-nao-preve-prisao-para-amigo-de-alemao-que-vigiou-rotinas-dos-mccann?ref=hp_destaquesprincipais


Correio da Manhã is behind a pay wall so that is as far as I can go.

However, no wonder there were so many burglaries in the holiday complex.

I think we already suspected this, didn't we.  It only surprises me that The PJ didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 11:42:42 AM
"Nobody can predict that a theft will end in kidnapping. And that is why it is not punishable", he concluded.''

I can see parallels there with the McCanns thinking no one could foresee leaving young children alone with the doors unlocked would lead to kidnap or harm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
What is the origin of this OC accomplice ? Is it police  statement or a media construct?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 12:12:01 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
What is the origin of this OC accomplice ? Is it police  statement or a media construct?

I would like to know that too because as it stands, there's is no evidence he was targeting the McCanns block.
All there seems to be is various media reports linking vague sightings of men that could be anyone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 12:20:42 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 11:42:42 AM
"Nobody can predict that a theft will end in kidnapping. And that is why it is not punishable", he concluded.''

I can see parallels there with the McCanns thinking no one could foresee leaving young children alone with the doors unlocked would lead to kidnap or harm.

Isn't burglary a crime in itself in Portugal ??

Exactly how many Ocean Club employees were involved in this lucrative little sideline ??  We know of a few and I think the law of averages dictates there must have been more.

Why would any parent visiting a resort sold to tourists as the perfect family holiday venue have any qualms about the safety of their children?  Ignorance is bliss but I don't think anyone will be making that mistake in the future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 08, 2020, 12:22:57 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 12:20:42 PM
Isn't burglary a crime in itself in Portugal ??

Exactly how many Ocean Club employees were involved in this lucrative little sideline ??  We know of a few and I think the law of averages dictates there must have been more.

Why would any parent visiting a resort sold to tourists as the perfect family holiday venue have any qualms about the safety of their children?  Ignorance is bliss but I don't think anyone will be making that mistake in the future.

Most parents would have qualms about leaving three under fives alone in an unlocked apartment no matter how safe the environment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
What is the origin of this OC accomplice ? Is it police  statement or a media construct?

That would be a question better directed to 'the highly respected' Correio da Manhã.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 12:26:49 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 12:23:51 PM
That would be a question better directed to 'the highly respected' Correio da Manhã.

It possibly would, but I don't speak Portuguese.

I did think that someone among the knowledgeable people on here might have the answer at their fingertips.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 12:34:47 PM
Latest from the Daily Mail - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8397265/German-prime-suspect-Maddie-McCann-case-Christian-Brueckner-INNOCENT-says-Portuguese-police.html

This individual was already investigated around four years ago.'

Insisting the aim of German police revelations about the man, now identified as the prime Madeleine McCann suspect, was simply to put the case back into the public eye, ABC quoted the veteran PJ boss as saying: 'At this stage of the investigation, I think they've done it because they think it's needed to shake up the case and attract new witnesses.

'They work very closely with Portugal and now they've wanted to turn this case around.

'They're not looking to solve it now, because that's very difficult. What they're looking to do is agitate the waters.'


This is hardly the right way to conduct an international police investigation.
Just what is going on ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 12:26:49 PM
It possibly would, but I don't speak Portuguese.

I did think that someone among the knowledgeable people on here might have the answer at their fingertips.

But aren't you a subscriber to the notion that everyone in Portugal speaks perfect English ... or is that only in relation to opportunities to criticise the McCanns and their friends ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 12:35:19 PM
But aren't you a subscriber to the notion that everyone in Portugal speaks perfect English ... or is that only in relation to opportunities to criticise the McCanns and their friends ?

No, I think you're confusing me with someone else - unless you can document that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 12:20:42 PM
Isn't burglary a crime in itself in Portugal ??

Exactly how many Ocean Club employees were involved in this lucrative little sideline ??  We know of a few and I think the law of averages dictates there must have been more.

Why would any parent visiting a resort sold to tourists as the perfect family holiday venue have any qualms about the safety of their children?  Ignorance is bliss but I don't think anyone will be making that mistake in the future.

because they're adults with medical degrees who should be adept at questioning things that are presented at fact by people who are selling them something....and also weighing up risk and possibilities in child care.

   Again, what solid evidence do we have the Ocean Club was targeted by petty thief Bruckner? It's not enough just to say he could have done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 12:44:19 PM
because they're adults with medical degrees who should be adept at questioning things that are presented at fact by people who are selling them something....and also weighing up risk and possibilities in child care.

   Again, what solid evidence do we have the Ocean Club was targeted by petty thief Bruckner? It's not enough just to say he could have done.

WOW! WOW! WOW!   "petty thief Bruckner" ???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 01:01:36 PM
WOW! WOW! WOW!   "petty thief Bruckner" ???

he was petty in his thieving was he not?   I was talking about his thieving specifically not his other crimes that he hadn't committed when he would have supposedly been casing 5a, which is what I have been asking for evidence of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 01:35:42 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 08, 2020, 12:22:57 PM
Most parents would have qualms about leaving three under fives alone in an unlocked apartment no matter how safe the environment.

I no longer know what I would have done, having left my children alone on other occasions.  But then I never went on foreign holidays.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
he was petty in his thieving was he not?   I was talking about his thieving specifically not his other crimes that he hadn't committed when he would have supposedly been casing 5a, which is what I have been asking for evidence of.

He had already been convicted of Paedophilia.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 01:51:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
He had already been convicted of Paedophilia.

  A friend was quoted as saying he stole 'tourist sh*t'. Which is why I said he was a 'petty' thief.

 At the stage he was supposedly casing apartment 5a, he was a petty thief who's child abuse convictions did not seem to be linked to thieving or entering property. I think that's an accurate assessment but some people seem to think I am trying to dismiss his other crimes.
 Maybe that's come from an expectation of thinking people who do not believe the McCann's version of events are desperate to minimise the sadistic profile of Bruckner, I'm not one of them. I can see he's a very dangerous individual ....that is still not proof he was in 5a that night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 08, 2020, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 01:51:03 PM
  A friend was quoted as saying he stole 'tourist sh*t'. Which is why I said he was a 'petty' thief.

 At the stage he was supposedly casing apartment 5a, he was a petty thief who's child abuse convictions did not seem to be linked to thieving or entering property. I think that's an accurate assessment but some people seem to think I am trying to dismiss his other crimes.
 Maybe that's come from an expectation of thinking people who do not believe the McCann's version of events are desperate to minimise the sadistic profile of Bruckner, I'm not one of them. I can see he's a very dangerous individual ....that is still not proof he was in 5a that night.

Why did he confess to abducting Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 08, 2020, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 12:44:19 PM
because they're adults with medical degrees who should be adept at questioning things that are presented at fact by people who are selling them something....and also weighing up risk and possibilities in child care.

   Again, what solid evidence do we have the Ocean Club was targeted by petty thief Bruckner? It's not enough just to say he could have done.

His phone put him in the area of 5a.  He confessed to a friend that he abducted Madeleine.  His phone number was listed in a phone owned by an ex Tapas Restaurant worker.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 08, 2020, 01:55:41 PM
Why did he confess to abducting Madeleine?

He didn't. It is alleged he confessed. Supposedly a friend said he did. He didn't admit it to police, it wasn't recorded.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-christian-brueckner-suspect-other-cases-a9552021.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-christian-brueckner-suspect-other-cases-a9552021.html)

If he did there are many reasons someone who fantasizes about torture might say he did. Many criminals make false confessions.  Can we be accurate about what the police have?  They have a friend saying he confessed. It wasn't to police, we don't know if he made it up.  That's why UK police have said there isn't enough to charge him!

The phone call did put him in the area of the town reports have said. I haven't seen any reports of the call placing him near 5a.  Again it's not enough to prove he was in 5a is it? hence the appeals.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 08, 2020, 02:07:19 PM
We know from Crimewatch 2013 that 8 families between them had left 11 children at OC night creche on 3rd May so it's reasonable to assume that they were all dining at locations other than their respective apartments. We know from the guest list that none of those families were staying in Block 5.
If TMS is correct that CB was the man she saw on 2 occasions specifically watching Block 5 during daylight hours then it's not unreasonable to think Block 5 apartments were the target. However, iirc, at least 2 of the recent burglaries at OC did not involve apartments occupied by families with children. If maximising gains by theft of money & valuables was the sole motive of such an intruder then Block 5 with its 4 families was hardly the place to achieve that.
Why did Brueckner (if it was him) allow himself to be so obviously seen observing Block 5 during daylight hours - or was reconnoitring for another party? It will be interesting to see if recent media coverage prompts any memories of him lurking in the vicinity at night.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11805709/portuguese-police-ignore-statement-madeleine-mccann/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:11:54 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 01:51:03 PM
  A friend was quoted as saying he stole 'tourist sh*t'. Which is why I said he was a 'petty' thief.

 At the stage he was supposedly casing apartment 5a, he was a petty thief who's child abuse convictions did not seem to be linked to thieving or entering property. I think that's an accurate assessment but some people seem to think I am trying to dismiss his other crimes.
 Maybe that's come from an expectation of thinking people who do not believe the McCann's version of events are desperate to minimise the sadistic profile of Bruckner, I'm not one of them. I can see he's a very dangerous individual ....that is still not proof he was in 5a that night.

No one has said that he was in 5a that evening.

He wasn't a Petty Thief at that point.

So what are you talking about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 08, 2020, 01:57:34 PM
His phone put him in the area of 5a.  He confessed to a friend that he abducted Madeleine.  His phone number was listed in a phone owned by an ex Tapas Restaurant worker.

He lived in the area. He had friends who had his phone number.

Hardly criminal activities are they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 02:14:04 PM
He lived in the area. He had friends who had his phone number.

Hardly criminal activities are they?

But Paedophilia and Rape are.  Of which he had already been convicted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 08, 2020, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:16:04 PM
But Paedophilia and Rape are.  Of which he had already been convicted.

Well, that proves Maddie was abducted then.

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 02:22:44 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:16:04 PM
But Paedophilia and Rape are.  Of which he had already been convicted.

Indeed, but they are quite separate cases, unconnected to Madeleine's disappearance.
Do you say that because he's guilty of those crimes he must be guilty of this one ?
I agree he's prime suspect, probably the only suspect but that isn't enough.
I'm afraid there needs to be something much more substantial linking him to Madeleine be proved before this will go to court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:11:54 PM
No one has said that he was in 5a that evening.

He wasn't a Petty Thief at that point.

So what are you talking about?

Why is this so hard to understand?  He had a conviction at aged 17 for '“performing sexual acts in front of a child”
he was not at the time he was supposedly casing 5a a convicted multiple rapist.
He was at the time most certainly was a petty thief because he stole petty tourist items

Can I make it any clearer why I referred to his burglary career at this point as 'petty'?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:16:04 PM
But Paedophilia and Rape are.  Of which he had already been convicted.

That's incorrect. He had a conviction for ' sexual activity in front of a child' in 1994, No rape conviction until 2018.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:27:57 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 08, 2020, 02:21:20 PM
Well, that proves Maddie was abducted then.

I stand corrected.

Not by my standards, it doesn't.  You may think as you please.  Providing you don't say that as a fact on this Forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 02:22:44 PM
Indeed, but they are quite separate cases, unconnected to Madeleine's disappearance.
Do you say that because he's guilty of those crimes he must be guilty of this one ?
I agree he's prime suspect, probably the only suspect but that isn't enough.
I'm afraid there needs to be something much more substantial linking him to Madeleine be proved before this will go to court.

I have never said that he is guilty of anything he hasn't been convicted of.  I haven't even said that he should be a Suspect.

Why do you keep on trying to trip me up?  You are wasting your time and obviously not very good at it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 08, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
It's a big leap in anyone's book to go from a sex pest or even rapist burglar to a child abductor and murderer. As far as I am aware, this suspect has never even been arrested on suspicion of murder let alone been convicted of it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:25:04 PM
Why is this so hard to understand?  He had a conviction at aged 17 for '“performing sexual acts in front of a child”
he was not at the time he was supposedly casing 5a a convicted multiple rapist.
He was at the time most certainly was a petty thief because he stole petty tourist items

Can I make it any clearer why I referred to his burglary career at this point as 'petty'?

His First Crime was Paedophillia at the age of 17 and already documented.  What is petty about that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
I have never said that he is guilty of anything he hasn't been convicted of.  I haven't even said that he should be a Suspect.

Why do you keep on trying to trip me up?  You are wasting your time and obviously not very good at it.

Why would I wish to trip you up?
Just trying to clarify your position on this point of previous convictions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:35:26 PM
His First Crime was Paedophillia at the age of 17 and already documented.  What is petty about that?

How many more times do I have to explain? I said his Theiving was petty! 

I think it's pretty clear, I am being factual here.

He wouldn't have been considered a serious offender by any police force at that time even if you want to quibble about how serious you personally see his crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:42:52 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
That's incorrect. He had a conviction for ' sexual activity in front of a child' in 1994, No rape conviction until 2018.

Do you know, you are right, but he had already committed The Rape by then, for which he has since been convicted.

Watching the likes of you trying to make even passing excuses for this man would be hilarious.  If only it were funny.

PS.  I have never even intimated that I believe him to be involved in the Abduction of Madeleine McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:44:19 PM
Quote from: John on June 08, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
It's a big leap in anyone's book to go from a sex pest or even rapist burglar to a child abductor and murderer. As far as I am aware, this suspect has never even been arrested on suspicion of murder let alone been convicted of it?

Absolutely correct, John.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: John on June 08, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
It's a big leap in anyone's book to go from a sex pest or even rapist burglar to a child abductor and murderer. As far as I am aware, this suspect has never even been arrested on suspicion of murder let alone been convicted of it?

It would be but that's what people were saying about the case of Libby Squire recently in the UK. The suspect was a thief who was a fetish burglar and he also was a voyeur. The stealing is just a way of the person justifying their breaking and entering to themselves until they encounter an occupant and assault them. It can escalate in those cases.  I do think Bruckner could fit that profile. Still I don't see any evidence placing Bruckner at 5a yet or the police wouldn't be appealing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 08, 2020, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:35:26 PM
His First Crime was Paedophillia at the age of 17 and already documented.  What is petty about that?

Depends how old his victim was really.

I mean, If the age of consent was 16, he was 17 & she was 15 & three quarters, hardly crime of the century.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:50:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:42:52 PM
Do you know, you are right, but he had already committed The Rape by then, for which he has since been convicted.

Watching the likes of you trying to make even passing excuses for this man would be hilarious.  If only it were funny.

PS.  I have never even intimated that I believe him to be involved in the Abduction of Madeleine McCann.

 Well that's quite an accusation! Can I have a cite for when I have been making excuses for a sadistic rapist? And then could I have an apology?

  I have never made any excuses I am being factual. He was not a convicted rapist at the time he would have been in 5a ( as you have kindly admitted). How you have decided I want to excuse his later crimes is beyond me and quite insulting.

 

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 02:50:56 PM
Was this German employed in May 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 08, 2020, 02:47:19 PM
Depends how old his victim was really.

I mean, If the age of consent was 16, he was 17 & she was 15 & three quarters, hardly crime of the century.

Having a w*nk in front of a minor is hardly the crime of the century anyway.
Distasteful certainly and he was duly punished for said act.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:50:12 PM
Well that's quite an accusation! Can I have a cite for when I have been making excuses for a sadistic rapist? And then could I have an apology?

  I have never made any excuses I am being factual. He was not a convicted rapist at the time he would have been in 5a ( as you have kindly admitted). How you have decided I want to excuse his later crimes is beyond me and quite insulting.

He Was A Rapist.  He just hadn't been convicted.  Or would you like to argue that point?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:54:13 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 08, 2020, 02:47:19 PM
Depends how old his victim was really.

I mean, If the age of consent was 16, he was 17 & she was 15 & three quarters, hardly crime of the century.

Which is how police would see it. One conviction for sexual activity with a child as a teen and a burglary as a teen.
 The police deal with vast numbers of these low-level offenders and don't have the resources to watch them all intently in case they escalate. These are the facts.
  It would seem Scotland Yard didn't think his 2 teenage convictions were of much relevance either when they reviewed the files in 2012.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:54:05 PM
He Was A Rapist.  He just hadn't been convicted.  Or would you like to argue that point?

I would like an apology actually. You said I have tried to make excuses for a rapist. And how is it relevant? This all started because I said his THIEVING was petty. You started arguing his other sexual crime wasn't petty

No-one knew he was a rapist at the time, not even you!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 02:55:17 PM
I would like an apology actually. You said I have tried to make excuses for a rapist.

No-one knew he was a rapist at the time, not even you!

So that makes it alright, does it?

You have tried to make excuses by arguing that no one knew.  Well, they jolly well do now.  As do you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:01:07 PM
I would like to see some authentic info re his convictions.

Where are the tabloids getting the info from?  I haven't seen any of them produce a criminal records check or even make ref to such?

https://ecris.eu/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:02:37 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 02:59:16 PM
So that makes it alright, does it?

You have tried to make excuses by arguing that no one knew.  Well, they jolly well do now.  As do you.

Makes what alright?    Is it really that hard to understand that his THIEVING at that time was petty?
It was a fact that no-one knew about his rape at the time, so how is that me making excuses?!

You've basically called me rape apologist. As I can tell I'm not going to get an apology I would just like to appeal to you to
-  think a bit about what other people may have been through personally before throwing about such accusations.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:02:37 PM
Makes what alright?    Is it really that hard to understand that his THIEVING at that time was petty?
It was a fact that no-one knew about his rape at the time, so how is that me making excuses?!

What evidence exists re the rape charge/conviction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:01:07 PM
I would like to see some authentic info re his convictions.

Where are the tabloids getting the info from?  I haven't seen any of them produce a criminal records check or even make ref to such?

https://ecris.eu/

 There's so much unsubstantiated stuff being publish that it's becoming impossible to separate truth from falsehood.
The problem is that the likes of the Daily Mail are very good at inserting a line or two of fact among a mass of fiction and the poor old punter falls for it hook line and sinker.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:04:19 PM
What evidence exists re the rape charge/conviction?

The German newspapers reporting on the court case.

https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/mitreden/antworten/article229249704/Neuer-Verdacht-im-Fall-Maddie-kam-in-Prozess-in-Braunschweig-auf.html (https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/mitreden/antworten/article229249704/Neuer-Verdacht-im-Fall-Maddie-kam-in-Prozess-in-Braunschweig-auf.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 03:10:30 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:02:37 PM
Makes what alright?    Is it really that hard to understand that his THIEVING at that time was petty?
It was a fact that no-one knew about his rape at the time, so how is that me making excuses?!

Been there.  Done all of this.

Now please go away.  I am a bit busy at the moment, watching Reruns of "London's Burning."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:04:19 PM
What evidence exists re the rape charge/conviction?

You might be whistling into the wind here.  They don't want to talk about this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:13:19 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 03:10:30 PM
Been there.  Done all of this.

Now please go away.  I am a bit busy at the moment, watching Reruns of "London's Burning."

Nope. You've called me a rape apologist and quite frankly I'm shocked. That's how you want to leave it.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 08, 2020, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 08, 2020, 01:57:34 PM
His phone put him in the area of 5a.  He confessed to a friend that he abducted Madeleine.  His phone number was listed in a phone owned by an ex Tapas Restaurant worker.


Don't you think this is as equally disturbing - not just one call either

These omissions make interpretation of the data difficult but what is available provides an interesting picture.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 03:12:28 PM
You might be whistling into the wind here.  They don't want to talk about this.

I linked to the German court case. Hardly ignoring the facts is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 03:21:05 PM

We all know that Bruckner is arguing Jurisdiction.

Isn't it time someone opened a Thread on A Miscarriage of Justice?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:26:57 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:08:22 PM
The German newspapers reporting on the court case.

https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/mitreden/antworten/article229249704/Neuer-Verdacht-im-Fall-Maddie-kam-in-Prozess-in-Braunschweig-auf.html (https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/mitreden/antworten/article229249704/Neuer-Verdacht-im-Fall-Maddie-kam-in-Prozess-in-Braunschweig-auf.html)

The newspaper article is ambiguous about claims of a conviction for rape.  In any event it lacks detail: dates, court etc.  Why is Germany involved when the crime allegedly took place in Portugal?

Is the Maddie case now about to be clarified? Thirteen years after the child's disappearance, the investigation could take a spectacular and tragic turn. Because should the suspicion of murder of the investigating Braunschweig public prosecutor's office be confirmed, the hope is dashed that Maddie, who would be 17 today, could still be alive.

The new track leads to Braunschweig. A 43-year-old German is suspected who lived in Praia da Luz at the time of the crime and was registered with his last residence in Braunschweig.

There are many indications that the suspect is identical to the man who had to answer to the Braunschweig regional court in late 2019 for raping an American woman in Praia da Luz. The judgment against the 43-year-old, a seven-year prison sentence, is not yet final.

Trial in Braunschweig- Does a hair convict a rapist?
Rape trial - Court does not stay trial
Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:28:14 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:14:38 PM
I linked to the German court case. Hardly ignoring the facts is it?

Can you link me to it  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:28:14 PM
Can you link me to it  8((()*/

It's that one you quoted above the full article is behind a paywall, The Guardian and Telegraph have listed specific details from the rape and quoted this source. So I suppose if you want to question whether they're being truthful about the conviction you could but it's not likely is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:34:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2020, 03:12:28 PM
You might be whistling into the wind here.  They don't want to talk about this.

I think we're all whistling in the wind when the matter could be easily resolved by obtaining:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg597759#msg597759

Shall we have a whip-round or maybe email the editors of Brit tabloids asking if they've obtained? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:40:23 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:33:52 PM
It's that one you quoted above the full article is behind a paywall, The Guardian and Telegraph have listed specific details from the rape and quoted this source. So I suppose if you want to question whether they're being truthful about the conviction you could but it's not likely is it?

Hardly reliable is it?  I seem to recall McCanns et al and Murat received significant £'s for libel.  Editors tend to see it as an occupational hazard.

A decent press report will contain official court docs (public records) or criminal records check.

So far no one on here has even produced historic newspaper articles relating to the charges/convictions when they occurred?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:41:36 PM
The Guardian say they have seen court documents. Are they likely to be lying. No.

I'm not sure what relevance seeing a record of his rape conviction has anyway?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:41:36 PM
The Guardian say they have seen court documents. Are they likely to be lying. No.

I'm not sure what relevance seeing a record of his rape conviction has anyway?

Can you link me to the Guardian article?   8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:47:05 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:41:36 PM
The Guardian say they have seen court documents. Are they likely to be lying. No.

I'm not sure what relevance seeing a record of his rape conviction has anyway?

I haven't seen any evidence of a rape conviction.

The article you linked me to in a German paper is ambigious:

There are many indications that the suspect is identical to the man who had to answer to the Braunschweig regional court in late 2019 for raping an American woman in Praia da Luz. The judgment against the 43-year-old, a seven-year prison sentence, is not yet final.

Trial in Braunschweig- Does a hair convict a rapist?
Rape trial - Court does not stay trial
Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
Can you link me to the Guardian article?   8((()*/

here you go.... ''According to court documents seen by the Guardian, Brückner was convicted in Germany last year of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz in 2005''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/05/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-being-investigated-over-second-missing-girl (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/05/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-being-investigated-over-second-missing-girl)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
here you go.... ''According to court documents seen by the Guardian, Brückner was convicted in Germany last year of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz in 2005''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/05/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-being-investigated-over-second-missing-girl (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/05/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-being-investigated-over-second-missing-girl)

Thanks.  I would still like to see the court docs and historic press articles re the rape charge/conviction.  Surely such a case would make the papers? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:47:05 PM
I haven't seen any evidence of a rape conviction.

The article you linked me to in a German paper is ambigious:

There are many indications that the suspect is identical to the man who had to answer to the Braunschweig regional court in late 2019 for raping an American woman in Praia da Luz. The judgment against the 43-year-old, a seven-year prison sentence, is not yet final.

Trial in Braunschweig- Does a hair convict a rapist?
Rape trial - Court does not stay trial
Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal

This is the headline ' The state attorney's office is investigating a Maddie case against a man, most recently resident in Braunschweig, recently convicted of rape.''

The other stories are all relating to the trial. They have certain legal restrictions in Germany I think that's why you're not going to be able to see actual court documents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 08, 2020, 04:01:51 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 03:47:05 PM
I haven't seen any evidence of a rape conviction.

The article you linked me to in a German paper is ambigious:

There are many indications that the suspect is identical to the man who had to answer to the Braunschweig regional court in late 2019 for raping an American woman in Praia da Luz. The judgment against the 43-year-old, a seven-year prison sentence, is not yet final.

Trial in Braunschweig- Does a hair convict a rapist?
Rape trial - Court does not stay trial
Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal

Link to start of rape trial 5/12/19
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal-Mann-vor-Gericht,aktuellbraunschweig3482.html


Link to German equivalent of Panorama, which hopefully answers your questions. Page can be translated by google.

https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Haengen-Faelle-Maddie-und-Inga-zusammen-article21826687.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 03:57:00 PM
This is the headline ' The state attorney's office is investigating a Maddie case against a man, most recently resident in Braunschweig, recently convicted of rape.''

The other stories are all relating to the trial. They have certain legal restrictions in Germany I think that's why you're not going to be able to see actual court documents.

But Germany is signed up to https://ecris.eu/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 04:01:51 PM
Link to start of rape trial 5/12/19
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal-Mann-vor-Gericht,aktuellbraunschweig3482.html


Link to German equivalent of Panorama, which hopefully answers your questions. Page can be translated by google.

https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Haengen-Faelle-Maddie-und-Inga-zusammen-article21826687.html

The trial of a 43-year-old has started before the Braunschweig Regional Court. As reported by NDR 1 Lower Saxony, the man is said to have raped, mistreated and robbed a 72-year-old woman in her house in Portugal in 2005. The public prosecutor's office is essentially based on a DNA report, the results of which were not available until the end of 2018. The 43-year-old, who has been in custody since July, was charged.

No mention of name.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 04:10:19 PM
Is this the same policeman in the documentary linked above? He went on TV and talked about the suspects crimes.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/06/03/world/europe/ap-eu-britain-missing-girl.html

"Christian Hoppe of Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office told German public broadcaster ZDF that the suspect, a German citizen, is currently imprisoned in Germany for a sexual crime. At the time of Madeleine’s disappearance he was 30 years old. He spent numerous years in Portugal and has two previous convictions for “sexual contact with girls.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
The trial of a 43-year-old has started before the Braunschweig Regional Court. As reported by NDR 1 Lower Saxony, the man is said to have raped, mistreated and robbed a 72-year-old woman in her house in Portugal in 2005. The public prosecutor's office is essentially based on a DNA report, the results of which were not available until the end of 2018. The 43-year-old, who has been in custody since July, was charged.

No mention of name.

because of the German privacy laws. So what are you saying? It might be a different man who was also in Portugal at the time, committed a rape and the same age?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 08, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
The trial of a 43-year-old has started before the Braunschweig Regional Court. As reported by NDR 1 Lower Saxony, the man is said to have raped, mistreated and robbed a 72-year-old woman in her house in Portugal in 2005. The public prosecutor's office is essentially based on a DNA report, the results of which were not available until the end of 2018. The 43-year-old, who has been in custody since July, was charged.

No mention of name.

Why would he name be public before the trial had been concluded?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 04:10:19 PM
Is this the same policeman in the documentary linked above? He went on TV and talked about the suspects crimes.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/06/03/world/europe/ap-eu-britain-missing-girl.html

"Christian Hoppe of Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office told German public broadcaster ZDF that the suspect, a German citizen, is currently imprisoned in Germany for a sexual crime. At the time of Madeleine’s disappearance he was 30 years old. He spent numerous years in Portugal and has two previous convictions for “sexual contact with girls.”

Were all these alleged charges and convictions delivered by the German judiciary? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 04:14:59 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 04:01:51 PM
Link to start of rape trial 5/12/19
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal-Mann-vor-Gericht,aktuellbraunschweig3482.html


Link to German equivalent of Panorama, which hopefully answers your questions. Page can be translated by google.

https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Haengen-Faelle-Maddie-und-Inga-zusammen-article21826687.html

Thank you very much for going to the bother of doing that Misty.  I would have thought it wouldn't have been necessary ... but there you are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:17:03 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
Why would he name be public before the trial had been concluded?

Exactly.  Why is he being implicated in all these various child abductions/murders before any charges are brought let alone convictions!?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 04:19:32 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:17:03 PM
Exactly.  Why is he being implicated in all these various child abductions/murders before any charges are brought let alone convictions!?

Media hysteria for starters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 04:14:59 PM
Thank you very much for going to the bother of doing that Misty.  I would have thought it wouldn't have been necessary ... but there you are.

Brie as a forum do you think we could somehow arrange to access CB's criminal file?

https://ecris.eu/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 08, 2020, 04:29:08 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:17:03 PM
Exactly.  Why is he being implicated in all these various child abductions/murders before any charges are brought let alone convictions!?

The German police didn't name him, did they? That was done by the media following the leakage of clues regarding the suspect's identity. Same thing happened to Murat in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 12:58:40 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-claims-saw-madeleine-mccann-22151768

The sighting of Madeleine in Spain was eliminated in the PJ files.

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A8_5/apenso5_vol_8_p1790.jpg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:43:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 02:52:11 PM
Having a w*nk in front of a minor is hardly the crime of the century anyway.
Distasteful certainly and he was duly punished for said act.
It seems you and Spam are determined to downplay the seriousness of this man’s crimes - why?

1994
Convicted of sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child, and carrying out sexual acts in front of a child.

He got two years for those crimes,

Then

2017
Convicted of sexual abuse of a child in Germany and sentenced to 15 months in prison.


Hardly crimes of the century I’m sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:43:12 PM
It seems you and Spam are determined to downplay the seriousness of this man’s crimes - why?

1994
Convicted of sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child, and carrying out sexual acts in front of a child.

He got two years for those crimes,

Then

2017
Convicted of sexual abuse of a child in Germany and sentenced to 15 months in prison.


Hardly crimes of the century I’m sure.

2017 was outside of time frame being discussed.
In 2007 he had an historical sex abuse case and convictions for burglar and possibly drug dealing.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
2017 was outside of time frame being discussed.
In 2007 he had an historical sex abuse case and convictions for burglar and possibly drug dealing.
You described his 1994 crimes as “having a w*nk” in front of a child.  It would appear to have been a bit more serious than that but I suppose you don’t agree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 08, 2020, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:17:03 PM
Exactly.  Why is he being implicated in all these various child abductions/murders before any charges are brought let alone convictions!?
‘Authorities believe Brueckner may be involved in the disappearance of multiple children, and are determined to find enough evidence to link him to at least one case.

But German laws allow a suspect to access their case file as soon as they are identified, and prosecutors want to prevent Brueckner's legal team from seeing the file until they are ready to charge him. 

This is why authorities have yet to confirm whether Brueckner is a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine, despite his name and photograph being widely reported.   

Brueckner has also been linked to the disappearances of six-year-old René Hasse in the Algarve in 1996 and five-year-old Inga Gehricke in Germany in 2015.

Inga, often described as the 'German Maddie', disappeared without a trace from a forest in Schönebeck, Saxony-Anhalt, during a barbecue when she was five years old. This was 70 miles from Brueckner's home in Braunschweig. 

The Madeleine McCann suspect drove regularly between Bavaria and the Algarve in Portugal and police are now tracing his movements to investigate if he could be linked to other cold case files.

Prosecutors in Belgium have confirmed they are investigating if he was connected to the murder of 16-year-old Carola Titze, whose body was found in sand dunes in De Haan, near Ostend, in 1996.

The teenager was said to have met a German man while she was on holiday in the town and was seen with him at a disco just days before her murder. 

In Portugal, police face pressure to re-examine the case of Joana Cipriano, eight, who disappeared in 2004 from Figueira, seven miles from Praia da Luz. Her mother and uncle allegedly confessed to her killing but her mother has since said she was forced to admit to the crime by police who beat her’. (Daily Mail)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:49:05 PM
You described his 1994 crimes as “having a w*nk” in front of a child.  It would appear to have been a bit more serious than that but I suppose you don’t agree.

No I don't . Perhaps you would like to provide more lurid details, then I might change my mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 04:29:08 PM
The German police didn't name him, did they? That was done by the media following the leakage of clues regarding the suspect's identity. Same thing happened to Murat in Portugal.

Afaik no official has named him just a lot of tabloid fodder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:43:12 PM
It seems you and Spam are determined to downplay the seriousness of this man’s crimes - why?

1994
Convicted of sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child, and carrying out sexual acts in front of a child.

He got two years for those crimes,

Then

2017
Convicted of sexual abuse of a child in Germany and sentenced to 15 months in prison.


Hardly crimes of the century I’m sure.

What's the source of this info?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:55:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:49:05 PM
You described his 1994 crimes as “having a w*nk” in front of a child.  It would appear to have been a bit more serious than that but I suppose you don’t agree.

Source please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:57:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 04:51:32 PM
No I don't . Perhaps you would like to provide more lurid details, then I might change my mind.

1) SEXUAL ABUSE OF A CHILD

2) ATTEMPTED SEXUAL ABUSE OF A CHILD

3)  CARRYING OUT SEX ACTS IN FRONT OF A CHILD

You had the imagination to conjure up the act perpetrated in the 3rd offence, I’m sure it’s not beyond you to supply your own lurid details for the first two.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 08, 2020, 04:51:26 PM
‘Authorities believe Brueckner may be involved in the disappearance of multiple children, and are determined to find enough evidence to link him to at least one case.

But German laws allow a suspect to access their case file as soon as they are identified, and prosecutors want to prevent Brueckner's legal team from seeing the file until they are ready to charge him. 

This is why authorities have yet to confirm whether Brueckner is a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine, despite his name and photograph being widely reported.   

Brueckner has also been linked to the disappearances of six-year-old René Hasse in the Algarve in 1996 and five-year-old Inga Gehricke in Germany in 2015.

Inga, often described as the 'German Maddie', disappeared without a trace from a forest in Schönebeck, Saxony-Anhalt, during a barbecue when she was five years old. This was 70 miles from Brueckner's home in Braunschweig. 

The Madeleine McCann suspect drove regularly between Bavaria and the Algarve in Portugal and police are now tracing his movements to investigate if he could be linked to other cold case files.

Prosecutors in Belgium have confirmed they are investigating if he was connected to the murder of 16-year-old Carola Titze, whose body was found in sand dunes in De Haan, near Ostend, in 1996.

The teenager was said to have met a German man while she was on holiday in the town and was seen with him at a disco just days before her murder. 

In Portugal, police face pressure to re-examine the case of Joana Cipriano, eight, who disappeared in 2004 from Figueira, seven miles from Praia da Luz. Her mother and uncle allegedly confessed to her killing but her mother has since said she was forced to admit to the crime by police who beat her’. (Daily Mail)

Is there any evidence he was in Belgium when Carola Titze went missing?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:59:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:57:23 PM
1) SEXUAL ABUSE OF A CHILD

2) ATTEMPTED SEXUAL ABUSE OF A CHILD

3)  CARRYING OUT SEX ACTS IN FRONT OF A CHILD

You had the imagination to conjure up the act perpetrated in the 3rd offence, I’m sure it’s not beyond you to supply your own lurid details for the first two.

Source please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:57:23 PM
1) SEXUAL ABUSE OF A CHILD

2) ATTEMPTED SEXUAL ABUSE OF A CHILD

3)  CARRYING OUT SEX ACTS IN FRONT OF A CHILD

You had the imagination to conjure up the act perpetrated in the 3rd offence, I’m sure it’s not beyond you to supply your own lurid details for the first two.

I don't need to, I'm not the one hung up on this. I stand by my view.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:59:54 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:55:33 PM
Source please.
This thread is full of source material about the suspect, I suggest you start reading it yourself instead of asking for cites already provided multiple times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 05:00:04 PM
Unless someone can produce the https://ecris.eu/ it's a waste of time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 04:59:42 PM
I don't need to, I'm not the one hung up on this. I stand by my view.
you stand by the view that child abuse is not the crime of the century.  Fine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 04:59:54 PM
This thread is full of source material about the suspect, I suggest you start reading it yourself instead of asking for cites already provided multiple times.

All I see is a lot of tabloid fodder.

Why would anyone be interested in this when the following exists?

https://ecris.eu/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
you stand by the view that child abuse is not the crime of the century.  Fine.

Of course, child abuse happens every day. Crime of the century happens once in 100 years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 05:12:14 PM
Don't believe tabloid crap!

Witness claims she 'saw Madeleine McCann and man in van just like Christian Brueckner's'

A witness claims she spotted Madeleine McCann getting into a German-owned Volkswagen van with a man weeks after her disappearance.

The youngster emerged from a restaurant in the Spanish seaside town of Alcossebre before climbing into the van with an unidentified man, according to police files.

The sighting was one of dozens in the early weeks of her disappearance but since German paedophile Christian Brueckner was identified as the main suspect in the case this week, detectives are now reportedly investigating the witness' claim.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-claims-saw-madeleine-mccann-22151768

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A6_5/apenso5_vol_6_p1353.jpg)

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A8_5/apenso5_vol_8_p1790.jpg)


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 08, 2020, 05:19:09 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 05:02:45 PM
All I see is a lot of tabloid fodder.

Why would anyone be interested in this when the following exists?

https://ecris.eu/

Why do you need to see his full criminal record when the PJ themselves were aware of his record in 2007/8? Clearly there is a good reason for his name, witness statement, alibi & vehicle check to be missing from the public files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 08, 2020, 05:32:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 08:01:12 PM
Martin Smith?

(https://i.imgur.com/CvWzUjb.png)

Why would it matter that MS didn't recognise the latest Madeleine suspect? He never saw the child's face so couldn't identify Madeleine as the child being carried.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 05:35:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 05:02:45 PM
All I see is a lot of tabloid fodder.

Why would anyone be interested in this when the following exists?

https://ecris.eu/
use it then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 05:36:27 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 05:32:32 PM
Why would it matter that MS didn't recognise the latest Madeleine suspect? He never saw the child's face so couldn't identify Madeleine as the child being carried.

It's a good headline for a front page which will sell papers.
 Not doubt the contents bear little resemblance to the heading.

I don't recognise the title, is it Irish
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
Of course, child abuse happens every day. Crime of the century happens once in 100 years.
What was the crime of the 20th century in your view?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 05:32:32 PM
Why would it matter that MS didn't recognise the latest Madeleine suspect? He never saw the child's face so couldn't identify Madeleine as the child being carried.

I thought he was a regular visitor of this small village and he never spotted this German at all. He recognised Murat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 05:44:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 05:37:17 PM
What was the crime of the 20th century in your view?

Now there's a toughie.

How about the slaughter of 6 million plus Jews, gypsies, Poles, Russians and various other victims of the Holocaust?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 05:44:46 PM
Now there's a toughie.

How about the slaughter of 6 million plus Jews, gypsies, Poles, Russians and various other victims of the Holocaust?
In which case the murder of millions by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc  were “hardly the crimes of the century”.  Thanks for explaining.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 08, 2020, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 05:32:32 PM
Why would it matter that MS didn't recognise the latest Madeleine suspect? He never saw the child's face so couldn't identify Madeleine as the child being carried.
Redwood said,a description very close to that close to Madeleine McCann,even Tannerman came now where near that.,still he's got to be one of all those suspicious looking lot.I see no arrest and charges yet,won't be long. 8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 06:01:08 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 05:12:14 PM
Don't believe tabloid crap!

Witness claims she 'saw Madeleine McCann and man in van just like Christian Brueckner's'

A witness claims she spotted Madeleine McCann getting into a German-owned Volkswagen van with a man weeks after her disappearance.

The youngster emerged from a restaurant in the Spanish seaside town of Alcossebre before climbing into the van with an unidentified man, according to police files.

The sighting was one of dozens in the early weeks of her disappearance but since German paedophile Christian Brueckner was identified as the main suspect in the case this week, detectives are now reportedly investigating the witness' claim.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-claims-saw-madeleine-mccann-22151768

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A6_5/apenso5_vol_6_p1353.jpg)

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A8_5/apenso5_vol_8_p1790.jpg)

But Afaik the vrn of the campervan is unknown?  All the images I've seen have the vrn obscured?

Authorities released two tel numbers. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 05:50:55 PM
In which case the murder of millions by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc  were “hardly the crimes of the century”.  Thanks for explaining.

I did say it was a toughie. Perhaps you could organise a poll if you disagree with my nomination.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 06:05:32 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 05:19:09 PM
Why do you need to see his full criminal record when the PJ themselves were aware of his record in 2007/8? Clearly there is a good reason for his name, witness statement, alibi & vehicle check to be missing from the public files.

What did PJ know about CB in 2007/08?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 06:07:13 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 06:05:32 PM
What did PK know about CB in 2007/08?

PK ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 06:01:08 PM
But Afaik the vrn of the campervan is unknown?  All the images I've seen have the vrn obscured?

Authorities released two tel numbers.

That was not CB's van or Madeleine but a German father and daughter who looked like her. And tabloid crap like this makes out that the original PJ investigation was a shambles!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 06:11:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 06:03:42 PM
I did say it was a toughie. Perhaps you could organise a poll if you disagree with my nomination.
Or perhaps you could stop trying to trivialize the crimes of a convicted paedophile?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 06:11:28 PM
Or perhaps you could stop trying to trivialize the crimes of a convicted paedophile?

Or perhaps you could go and pester someone else - I'm no longer interested.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
That was not CB's van or Madeleine but a German father and daughter who looked like her.

Yes thanks.  I deffo need a visit to SS  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 06:13:57 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 06:12:56 PM
Or perhaps you could go and pester someone else - I'm no longer interested.
I’ve made my point now, thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 06:07:13 PM
PK ?

As I said I need a visit to SS  8(8-))

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 05:35:40 PM
use it then.

Due diligence requires an authentic primary source.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 08, 2020, 06:32:08 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 06:05:32 PM
What did PJ know about CB in 2007/08?

Press reports state he had had 2 criminal convictions in Portugal prior to 2007. No doubt the authorities checked his residency certificate/visa before wasting valuable jail space on him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 06:33:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
Due diligence requires an authentic primary source.

Probably won't many of those. Germany and UK aren't likely to be as obliging as Portugal when it comes to releasing police records
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 04:22:03 PM
Brie as a forum do you think we could somehow arrange to access CB's criminal file?

https://ecris.eu/

Why do you think we should do that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 08, 2020, 04:51:26 PM
‘Authorities believe Brueckner may be involved in the disappearance of multiple children, and are determined to find enough evidence to link him to at least one case.

But German laws allow a suspect to access their case file as soon as they are identified, and prosecutors want to prevent Brueckner's legal team from seeing the file until they are ready to charge him. 

This is why authorities have yet to confirm whether Brueckner is a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine, despite his name and photograph being widely reported.   

Brueckner has also been linked to the disappearances of six-year-old René Hasse in the Algarve in 1996 and five-year-old Inga Gehricke in Germany in 2015.

Inga, often described as the 'German Maddie', disappeared without a trace from a forest in Schönebeck, Saxony-Anhalt, during a barbecue when she was five years old. This was 70 miles from Brueckner's home in Braunschweig. 

The Madeleine McCann suspect drove regularly between Bavaria and the Algarve in Portugal and police are now tracing his movements to investigate if he could be linked to other cold case files.

Prosecutors in Belgium have confirmed they are investigating if he was connected to the murder of 16-year-old Carola Titze, whose body was found in sand dunes in De Haan, near Ostend, in 1996.

The teenager was said to have met a German man while she was on holiday in the town and was seen with him at a disco just days before her murder. 

In Portugal, police face pressure to re-examine the case of Joana Cipriano, eight, who disappeared in 2004 from Figueira, seven miles from Praia da Luz. Her mother and uncle allegedly confessed to her killing but her mother has since said she was forced to admit to the crime by police who beat her’. (Daily Mail)

Wrong thread I know.  I should take it to "Goncalo Amaral".  But how interesting is that ... that under German law as soon as a suspect is named his defence team are immediately allowed to see all the files on the case.

So can any 'conspiracy buff' think of a reason why Amaral pointed the way in April for press curiosity to be piqued perhaps leading to the name of the German police's prime suspect being revealed before they were ready for that to happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 08, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
Due diligence requires an authentic primary source.
What’s stopping you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 08, 2020, 07:05:18 PM
Slight deflection here - if CB is the guilty party he cannot be extradited to UK for trial following Brexit.
https://se-legal.de/extradition-between-germany-and-the-uk-post-brexit/?lang=en

For Madeleine's sake, I hope the Germans ensure they have a very strong case as noise coming from Portugal suggests he won't be charged in that country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 08, 2020, 07:08:19 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 07:05:18 PM
Slight deflection here - if CB is the guilty party he cannot be extradited to UK for trial following Brexit.
https://se-legal.de/extradition-between-germany-and-the-uk-post-brexit/?lang=en

For Madeleine's sake, I hope the Germans ensure they have a very strong case as noise coming from Portugal suggests he won't be charged in that country.

Unfortunately the Portuguese need evidence....damn awkward of them I know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 07:10:03 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 07:05:18 PM
Slight deflection here - if CB is the guilty party he cannot be extradited to UK for trial following Brexit.
https://se-legal.de/extradition-between-germany-and-the-uk-post-brexit/?lang=en

For Madeleine's sake, I hope the Germans ensure they have a very strong case as noise coming from Portugal suggests he won't be charged in that country.

I di wonder about that. There are also the issues of database access and cooperation between police forces as UK will no longer be part of Europol. There'll be no European arrest warrant either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 08, 2020, 07:08:19 PM
Unfortunately the Portuguese need evidence....damn awkward of them I know.

there was none in the Cipriano case .....the confession was inadmissible. i do trust the german's efficiency.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 08, 2020, 07:38:03 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 06:45:26 PM
Wrong thread I know.  I should take it to "Goncalo Amaral".  But how interesting is that ... that under German law as soon as a suspect is named his defence team are immediately allowed to see all the files on the case.

So can any 'conspiracy buff' think of a reason why Amaral pointed the way in April for press curiosity to be piqued perhaps leading to the name of the German police's prime suspect being revealed before they were ready for that to happen.
I also find this informative, Brietta.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 08, 2020, 07:41:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
there wa snone in the Cipriano case .....the confession was inadmissible. i do trust the german's efficiency.

Change the record.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2020, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 08, 2020, 07:41:02 PM
Change the record.

the truth is too painful for you perhaps..theres also tyhe question as to why the portuguese didnt prosecute for the rape.......another rape case they did prosecute...the rapist found guilty only received a suspended sentence...a disgrace
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 08, 2020, 07:43:53 PM
Quote from: misty on June 07, 2020, 10:33:10 PM
[SNIP]


The man Tasmin Sillence saw twice, staring at 5a, was reportedly "ugly" & wearing a black leather jacket.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn't Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn't sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.

The first time that she saw him he was wearing a sports style jacket of thin black leather, with a zipper and several pockets also with similar zippers, in silver. She saw no label or inscription. The jacket was open, therefore she saw a white t-shirt, with a dark blue label near the waist, which she cannot identify very well.

Trousers, she thinks, of blue jeans, worn out. Sports shoes (trainers) in black and grey, with a wave, maybe 'Nike' in a colour that she can't remember.

The second time, he wore the same jacket, this time zipped up, because the day was colder than the first one, windy. She didn't notice the rest of the clothing. She says that on that day he had a pen with a string attached to one of his pockets.
............

TMS said she would recognise the man again so I wonder if she was shown CB's photograph.

Linked to this report, on ITV news there was some mention of fostering German children at this village property.

What an amazing description of the watcher Tasmin Silence gave, and only 12 years old.   This is virtually an absolutely perfect description of Christian Bruckner.

I now think it highly likely that he was involved in Madeleines abduction, but I doubt that he was the lifter.  I suspect that he was the watcher, get away driver, and director of operations (from the balcony across the road?)

Whew!  What an observant and clever girl Tasmin is.


Roll out the other gang members.  Do hope that they can get him to talk.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 08, 2020, 07:50:33 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 08, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
Madeleine McCann police is urged to search house of Brückner after evidence that the VW white van was there days after the abduction

For the last five days I was looking for evidence concerning the houses and vehicles belonging to Madeleine McCann's crime new suspect Christian Brückner, following Scotland Yard Operation Grange and German Bundeskriminalmat (BKA) appeals.

I found a NASA satellite photograph taken days after the abduction of Madeleine. It shows one of the houses where Brückner lived, and an image totally congruent with the dimensions and colour of the VW Westfalia van that the suspect were using at that time.

I have passed this information to Operation Grange and German Bundeskriminalmat (BKA) yesterday. [Note: BKA have written to me interested in the picture, how it was taken, which day it was taken, etcétera].

If Brückner is involved in Madeleine McCann abduction, as the police appeals suggested, maybe he carried her to that place, and some evidence or her remains were hidden in that location. Will the police search that house and the field around, including the wells?

The picture is in http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-police-is-urged-to.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-police-is-urged-to.html)

I put it here also ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 08:05:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 08, 2020, 06:45:26 PM
Wrong thread I know.  I should take it to "Goncalo Amaral".  But how interesting is that ... that under German law as soon as a suspect is named his defence team are immediately allowed to see all the files on the case.

So can any 'conspiracy buff' think of a reason why Amaral pointed the way in April for press curiosity to be piqued perhaps leading to the name of the German police's prime suspect being revealed before they were ready for that to happen.

Amaral knows that he was not involved in Madeleine's disappearance, that's why!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 08, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
Madeleine McCann police is urged to search house of Brückner after evidence that the VW white van was there days after the abduction

For the last five days I was looking for evidence concerning the houses and vehicles belonging to Madeleine McCann's crime new suspect Christian Brückner, following Scotland Yard Operation Grange and German Bundeskriminalmat (BKA) appeals.

I found a NASA satellite photograph taken days after the abduction of Madeleine. It shows one of the houses where Brückner lived, and an image totally congruent with the dimensions and colour of the VW Westfalia van that the suspect were using at that time.

I have passed this information to Operation Grange and German Bundeskriminalmat (BKA) yesterday. [Note: BKA have written to me interested in the picture, how it was taken, which day it was taken, etcétera].

If Brückner is involved in Madeleine McCann abduction, as the police appeals suggested, maybe he carried her to that place, and some evidence or her remains were hidden in that location. Will the police search that house and the field around, including the wells?

The picture is in http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-police-is-urged-to.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-police-is-urged-to.html)

I put it here also ...

You don't think that they not have already done this, seeing as German & UK police have known about him since 2017 ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 08, 2020, 08:11:18 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 08, 2020, 07:43:53 PM
What an amazing description of the watcher Tasmin Silence gave, and only 12 years old.   This is virtually an absolutely perfect description of Christian Bruckner.

I now think it highly likely that he was involved in Madeleines abduction, but I doubt that he was the lifter.  I suspect that he was the watcher, get away driver, and director of operations (from the balcony across the road?)

Whew!  What an observant and clever girl Tasmin is.


Roll out the other gang members.  Do hope that they can get him to talk.

I wonder what will happen if Tasmin does positively identify CB as the watcher?  That will be a powerful pointer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 08, 2020, 08:12:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
You don't think that they not have already done this, seeing as German & UK police have known about him since 2017 ?
Considering the questions the German BKA asked me about the picture ... no.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 08, 2020, 07:43:53 PM
What an amazing description of the watcher Tasmin Silence gave, and only 12 years old.   This is virtually an absolutely perfect description of Christian Bruckner.

I now think it highly likely that he was involved in Madeleines abduction, but I doubt that he was the lifter.  I suspect that he was the watcher, get away driver, and director of operations (from the balcony across the road?)

Whew!  What an observant and clever girl Tasmin is.


Roll out the other gang members.  Do hope that they can get him to talk.

Getaway driver? Where was his vehicle parked?  You believe he sold Madeleine but after the disappearance he is reported to be working as a low paid waiter! 

Tasmin Silence suspect https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/tasminman.gif)(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/06/01/29239372-8393901-Officers_are_hoping_to_trace_the_woman_who_is_believed_to_have_s-a-59_1591404104678.jpg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 08, 2020, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 08:05:55 PM
Amaral knows that he was not involved in Madeleine's disappearance, that's why!
Does Amaral have any credibility? Looking back at his career, to me he seems not to. Your insistence that Madeleine’s dad is Smithman and all the rest that you are implying/insinuating needs a fresh approach. My thoughts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 09:01:41 PM
Do you believe the German is Smithman? Martin Smith doesn't! Amaral knows a lot more than you about the case and what's going on by predicting this suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 08, 2020, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
there was none in the Cipriano case .....the confession was inadmissible. i do trust the german's efficiency.

So do I they'll concede they have not enough evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 09:13:58 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 08, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
Madeleine McCann police is urged to search house of Brückner after evidence that the VW white van was there days after the abduction

For the last five days I was looking for evidence concerning the houses and vehicles belonging to Madeleine McCann's crime new suspect Christian Brückner, following Scotland Yard Operation Grange and German Bundeskriminalmat (BKA) appeals.

I found a NASA satellite photograph taken days after the abduction of Madeleine. It shows one of the houses where Brückner lived, and an image totally congruent with the dimensions and colour of the VW Westfalia van that the suspect were using at that time.

I have passed this information to Operation Grange and German Bundeskriminalmat (BKA) yesterday. [Note: BKA have written to me interested in the picture, how it was taken, which day it was taken, etcétera].

If Brückner is involved in Madeleine McCann abduction, as the police appeals suggested, maybe he carried her to that place, and some evidence or her remains were hidden in that location. Will the police search that house and the field around, including the wells?

The picture is in http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-police-is-urged-to.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-police-is-urged-to.html)

I put it here also ...

OMG what a good find!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 08, 2020, 09:26:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 08, 2020, 09:10:53 PM
So do I they'll concede they have not enough evidence.
... https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/08/breaking-news-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/ (https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/08/breaking-news-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 09:31:40 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 08, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
Madeleine McCann police is urged to search house of Brückner after evidence that the VW white van was there days after the abduction

For the last five days I was looking for evidence concerning the houses and vehicles belonging to Madeleine McCann's crime new suspect Christian Brückner, following Scotland Yard Operation Grange and German Bundeskriminalmat (BKA) appeals.

I found a NASA satellite photograph taken days after the abduction of Madeleine. It shows one of the houses where Brückner lived, and an image totally congruent with the dimensions and colour of the VW Westfalia van that the suspect were using at that time.

I have passed this information to Operation Grange and German Bundeskriminalmat (BKA) yesterday. [Note: BKA have written to me interested in the picture, how it was taken, which day it was taken, etcétera].

If Brückner is involved in Madeleine McCann abduction, as the police appeals suggested, maybe he carried her to that place, and some evidence or her remains were hidden in that location. Will the police search that house and the field around, including the wells?

The picture is in http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-police-is-urged-to.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-police-is-urged-to.html)

I put it here also ...

 I don't think that is a VW T3, the front is mostly windscreen on a T3. Your photo shows more white bonnet in proportion to windscreen. I have had various VW vans of a similar age. It looks more like a Mercedes sprinter or a Renault van IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 09:33:02 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 08, 2020, 09:26:43 PM
... https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/08/breaking-news-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/ (https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/08/breaking-news-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/)

Very strange wording 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 09:34:18 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 08, 2020, 09:26:43 PM
... https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/08/breaking-news-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/ (https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/08/breaking-news-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/)
Devastatng.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 08, 2020, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 09:34:18 PM
Devastatng.
Maybe photos or videos from Brueckner's pen drive, computers, etc, if not DNA...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 09:42:40 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 09:31:40 PM
I don't think that is a VW T3, the front is mostly windscreen on a T3. Your photo shows more white bonnet in proportion to windscreen. I have had various VW vans of a similar age. It looks more like a Mercedes sprinter or a Renault van IMO.

I'm inclined to agree about the relative bonnet/windscreen sizes. Pity A higher resolution image isn't available
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 09:45:39 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 08, 2020, 09:40:00 PM
Maybe photos or videos from Brueckner's pen drive, computers, etc, if not DNA...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094)

If they have something as definitive as that, do you not think Grange would have been equally convinced ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 09:42:40 PM
I'm inclined to agree about the relative bonnet/windscreen sizes. Pity A higher resolution image isn't available

Yes, it could be distortion but I just had a look at my T3 ( on google earth ) and you can see the grill/bumper. Not just an expanse of white bonnet.  If the guy dealt in cars and vans he could have had many different ones, I wonder why police are appealing specifically for the T3 van?  He could well have had access to whatever vans he was fixing at the time and police wouldn't necessarily know about them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 09:45:39 PM
If they have something as definitive as that, do you not think Grange would have been equally convinced ?
Maybe they require a high burden of proof. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2020, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 09:47:13 PM
Yes, it could be distortion but I just had a look at my T3 ( on google earth ) and you can see the grill/bumper. Not just an expanse of white bonnet.  If the guy dealt in cars and vans he could have had many different ones, I wonder why police are appealing specifically for the T3 van? He could well have had access to whatever vans he was fixing at the time and police wouldn't necessarily know about them.


Because that's what they have impounded and they think that's the same one he had  around May 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 09:54:18 PM
If we assume he did it, how did he do it, what do you think? What was the point of entry and what was the point of exit?
What was the time and how does it match with the last "visit" by Matthew Oldfield?

Was it before or after Oldfield's visit? Was he in the property and hiding during Oldfield's visit?

And let's then think about heavy policing at the time and how did he avoid being caught?

Also  how did a guy who went to school for special needs succeded to fool the whole PJ police force and Scotland Yard and now even Germans???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 08, 2020, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 09:45:39 PM
If they have something as definitive as that, do you not think Grange would have been equally convinced ?
The Germans appear more straight-talking and less inclined to be as taciturn with the public than OG.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 08, 2020, 09:57:17 PM
The Germans appear more straight-talking and less inclined to be as taciturn with the public than OG.
Yes, maybe OG are trying to break it to us gently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2020, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 09:54:18 PM
If we assume he did it, how did he do it, what do you think? What was the point of entry and what was the point of exit?
What was the time and how does it match with the last "visit" by Matthew Oldfield?

Was it before or after Oldfield's visit? Was he in the property and hiding during Oldfield's visit?

And let's then think about heavy policing at the time and how did he avoid being caught?

Also  how did a guy who went to school for special needs succeded to fool the whole PJ police force and Scotland Yard and now even Germans???

Portugal doesn't have a dna database... The abductor may have left dna at the scene but if the forensic search was poor it may not have been found.. If the bedsheets were sent to the laundry.. All these mean it would not be so difficult to get away with a crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:07:16 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 08, 2020, 09:31:40 PM
I don't think that is a VW T3, the front is mostly windscreen on a T3. Your photo shows more white bonnet in proportion to windscreen. I have had various VW vans of a similar age. It looks more like a Mercedes sprinter or a Renault van IMO.
An Opel van was mentioned by a witness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:09:13 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 09:54:18 PM
If we assume he did it, how did he do it, what do you think? What was the point of entry and what was the point of exit?
What was the time and how does it match with the last "visit" by Matthew Oldfield?

Was it before or after Oldfield's visit? Was he in the property and hiding during Oldfield's visit?

And let's then think about heavy policing at the time and how did he avoid being caught?

Also  how did a guy who went to school for special needs succeded to fool the whole PJ police force and Scotland Yard and now even Germans???
He’s supposedly quite bright as in intelligent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2020, 09:45:39 PM
If they have something as definitive as that, do you not think Grange would have been equally convinced ?

Yes and they are not when they are calling it a missing person case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 10:19:33 PM
Yes and they are not when they are calling it a missing person case.
I was under the impression you thought Op Grange were hot on Gerry’s heels because they were pretty certain he hid his daughter’s body.  Are you now less sure about that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: mrswah on June 08, 2020, 10:24:09 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 09:54:18 PM
If we assume he did it, how did he do it, what do you think? What was the point of entry and what was the point of exit?
What was the time and how does it match with the last "visit" by Matthew Oldfield?

Was it before or after Oldfield's visit? Was he in the property and hiding during Oldfield's visit?

And let's then think about heavy policing at the time and how did he avoid being caught?

Also  how did a guy who went to school for special needs succeded to fool the whole PJ police force and Scotland Yard and now even Germans???

Depends on what his "special needs" were.  He might have had what is known as "emotional and behavioural difficulties", which would not have affected his innate "intelligence".  He might have had dyslexia or something on the autism spectrum, which also wouldn't necessarily prevent him from being "bright" enough to plan crimes, carry them out and , as you say, fool the police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 10:25:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:22:30 PM
I was under the impression you thought Op Grange were hot on Gerry’s heels because they were pretty certain he hid his daughter’s body.  Are you now less sure about that?

I believe the Smith family saw the person with Madeleine that night so nothing has changed for me. I don't know what OG believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 10:32:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:09:13 PM
He’s supposedly quite bright as in intelligent.

"Between 1992 – when he was 16 – and 1994, he lived in an institution for young people with learning difficulties."
https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/06/pictured-adoptive-mother-of-madeleine-mccann-first-suspect-christian-brueckner.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:35:08 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 10:32:33 PM
"Between 1992 – when he was 16 – and 1994, he lived in an institution for young people with learning difficulties."
https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/06/pictured-adoptive-mother-of-madeleine-mccann-first-suspect-christian-brueckner.html
Yes I know, but I have also read that he is considered by those that know him to be quite smart.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:37:16 PM
From the Guardian “Bettina Thoenes, a reporter for the Braunschweiger Zeitung, who followed the rape trial, described him as “a man of intelligent appearance, dressed in a simple grey shirt and slightly oversized jeans”. She said he was eloquent, and quoted frequently from legal text books”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:40:31 PM
Anyone here a member?  Some of us did predict this would happen...

Mark Williams-Thomas
@mwilliamsthomas
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28m


There is a group on facebook called 'Madeleine McCann abduction or scam' . Its members are involved in trolling her parents. There latest action sums them up, they want to raise money for the suspect & predatory p.a.e.dophile #ChristianBrueckner to get him the best defence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 10:45:29 PM
Mark Williams-Thomas
@mwilliamsthomas
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4m
So police appeal to trace owner of +351 916 510 683 as the user called  suspect #ChristianBruecker at 7.32pm for 30min on day #MadeleineMcCann disappeared. A quick check on a SM reveals number at some stage used by person with same picture as #NakscijeMiftari the suspects gf !!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1270108574358913025
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 10:48:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:40:31 PM
Anyone here a member?  Some of us did predict this would happen...

Mark Williams-Thomas
@mwilliamsthomas
·
28m


There is a group on facebook called 'Madeleine McCann abduction or scam' . Its members are involved in trolling her parents. There latest action sums them up, they want to raise money for the suspect & predatory p.a.e.dophile #ChristianBrueckner to get him the best defence

I always thought these people are same as this Christian B, really really sick minds... what else would trigger them to wanting to help him? I would not be surprised if he was the member of 3 arguidos. And even if he befriended their beloved inspector A, the inspector is so much swimming in his own ego trip, he would not even notice this Christian guy is actually dodgy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 10:51:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:40:31 PM
Anyone here a member?  Some of us did predict this would happen...

Mark Williams-Thomas
@mwilliamsthomas
·
28m


There is a group on facebook called 'Madeleine McCann abduction or scam' . Its members are involved in trolling her parents. There latest action sums them up, they want to raise money for the suspect & predatory p.a.e.dophile #ChristianBrueckner to get him the best defence

Mark Williams-Thomas
@mwilliamsthomas
·
48m
Breaking ; German authorities issue red notice for the immediate apprehension of #ChristianBrueckner ex girlfriend #NakscijeMiftari . I can confirm that she is the person who held the number +351 916 510 683 that the police wanted to trace.  How did police not find this out ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:52:35 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 10:48:07 PM
I always thought these people are same as this Christian B, really really sick minds... what else would trigger them to wanting to help him? I would not be surprised if he was the member of 3 arguidos. And even if he befriended their beloved inspector A, the inspector is so much swimming in his own ego trip, he would not even notice this Christian guy is actually dodgy.
God, I shudder to imagine this monster posting on MM forums and mocking the McCanns and their supporters, whilst being applauded by the sceptics.  Ugh.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 08, 2020, 10:56:05 PM
https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/politie-volgde-bus-met-duitse-maddie-verdachte-maar-die-bleek-spoorloos-in-amsterdam~aa77f1b3/

Google translation from Dutch press

drug trafficking. © AP
'Police followed bus with German Maddie suspect, but it turned out to be missing in Amsterdam'
The 43-year-old German suspected of murdering British Maddie McCann was observed by police in 2018. German detectives even followed Christian Brückner when he traveled to the Netherlands by bus. At the border, they informed their Dutch colleagues about the arrival of the sex offender, who was considered dangerous, but things went wrong after that. German media report this.

Caspar Naber 08-06-20, 23:00 Last update: 23:35
Upon arrival in Amsterdam, the German had suddenly disappeared, according to Braunschweiger Zeitung and Bild  . It is not known how he managed this and where he went afterwards. Brückner apparently traveled unnoticed to Italy, where he applied for a new passport at the German consulate in Milan. He was arrested on 27 September 2018 when the ID was collected. This on the basis of a European arrest warrant that had already been issued by the Public Prosecution Service in Flensburg.


That arrest warrant came about because Brückner did not comply with the conditions of his probation. It entered into effect on August 31, 2018 after his release from prison. He had been detained there for a year and three months for child abuse and possession of child pornography. Instead of reporting to his probation officer at least once a month, the German left for Italy via the Netherlands. In addition, he still had a 2011 and nine months' imprisonment for drug trafficking.

Because the German police already suspected in 2018 that he might have something to do with the disappearance of Maddie McCann and were considered "very dangerous", the Braunschweig detective arranged for him to be monitored 24 hours a day. This was done by local police officers and colleagues from the federal police.

Games
Brückner would soon have noticed that he was being watched. “He started playing games with us. For example, got on a tram and got off again shortly afterwards, '' the regional newspaper quoted one of the members of the observation team at the time. The detectives soon had enough of his games and told the suspect: "You will not lose us anyway."

The multiple convicted sex offender is said to have reacted angrily but eventually resigned himself to the situation. The investigators even made arrangements with Brückner. "I said to him: we can make things easier for ourselves. Let us know where you want to go. For example, we brought it to the health insurer or to the city center. ''

Christian Brückner stayed in Portugal from 1995 to 2007. His cell phone, according to police, was probed near Praia da Luz on the night of Madeleine McCann's disappearance. She disappeared on May 3, 2007 from the holiday home rented by her parents. This while Gerry and Kate McCann were having dinner in a restaurant with friends. Brückner called a Portuguese number just over an hour before the disappearance and had a conversation of about half an hour.

Accomplice
Earlier today, it was announced that the Portuguese police are a former employee on the trail of the holiday resort where the McCann family stayed in 2007. The man is suspected of complicity in the case. The detective suspects that he worked with Brückner, with whom he had several contacts at the time. He may have tipped the German off about a suitable time to enter the McCanns' apartment. The former employee of the complex has also been linked in the past to sex crimes with minors in the Algarve.


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Another person not thoroughly investigated by PJ at the time??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 08, 2020, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 09:33:02 PM
Very strange wording

Yes, as is the wording on the Sky site:


Mr Wolters continued: "The hard evidence we don't have, we don't have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann's body.

"We expect that she is dead, but we don't have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.

"At the moment we also don't have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed.

"That's why we need more information from people, especially places he has lived so we can target these places especially and search there for Madeleine."

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094


Any familiar with German criminal law?

My only guess is that in Germany, they may need a body to prosecute for murder, regardless of whatever other evidence they may have...

Even if that's the case, why couldn't he be charged in Portugal?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 11:04:28 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 10:56:05 PM
https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/politie-volgde-bus-met-duitse-maddie-verdachte-maar-die-bleek-spoorloos-in-amsterdam~aa77f1b3/

Google translation from Dutch press

drug trafficking. © AP
'Police followed bus with German Maddie suspect, but it turned out to be missing in Amsterdam'
The 43-year-old German suspected of murdering British Maddie McCann was observed by police in 2018. German detectives even followed Christian Brückner when he traveled to the Netherlands by bus. At the border, they informed their Dutch colleagues about the arrival of the sex offender, who was considered dangerous, but things went wrong after that. German media report this.

Caspar Naber 08-06-20, 23:00 Last update: 23:35
Upon arrival in Amsterdam, the German had suddenly disappeared, according to Braunschweiger Zeitung and Bild  . It is not known how he managed this and where he went afterwards. Brückner apparently traveled unnoticed to Italy, where he applied for a new passport at the German consulate in Milan. He was arrested on 27 September 2018 when the ID was collected. This on the basis of a European arrest warrant that had already been issued by the Public Prosecution Service in Flensburg.


That arrest warrant came about because Brückner did not comply with the conditions of his probation. It entered into effect on August 31, 2018 after his release from prison. He had been detained there for a year and three months for child abuse and possession of child pornography. Instead of reporting to his probation officer at least once a month, the German left for Italy via the Netherlands. In addition, he still had a 2011 and nine months' imprisonment for drug trafficking.

Because the German police already suspected in 2018 that he might have something to do with the disappearance of Maddie McCann and were considered "very dangerous", the Braunschweig detective arranged for him to be monitored 24 hours a day. This was done by local police officers and colleagues from the federal police.

Games
Brückner would soon have noticed that he was being watched. “He started playing games with us. For example, got on a tram and got off again shortly afterwards, '' the regional newspaper quoted one of the members of the observation team at the time. The detectives soon had enough of his games and told the suspect: "You will not lose us anyway."

The multiple convicted sex offender is said to have reacted angrily but eventually resigned himself to the situation. The investigators even made arrangements with Brückner. "I said to him: we can make things easier for ourselves. Let us know where you want to go. For example, we brought it to the health insurer or to the city center. ''

Christian Brückner stayed in Portugal from 1995 to 2007. His cell phone, according to police, was probed near Praia da Luz on the night of Madeleine McCann's disappearance. She disappeared on May 3, 2007 from the holiday home rented by her parents. This while Gerry and Kate McCann were having dinner in a restaurant with friends. Brückner called a Portuguese number just over an hour before the disappearance and had a conversation of about half an hour.

Accomplice
Earlier today, it was announced that the Portuguese police are a former employee on the trail of the holiday resort where the McCann family stayed in 2007. The man is suspected of complicity in the case. The detective suspects that he worked with Brückner, with whom he had several contacts at the time. He may have tipped the German off about a suitable time to enter the McCanns' apartment. The former employee of the complex has also been linked in the past to sex crimes with minors in the Algarve.


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Another person not thoroughly investigated by PJ at the time??

1. It seems Germans are really determined to get this guy
2. How the hell Mark Warner allowed someone with a history of "sex crimes with minors" to work at the Ocean Club?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 11:08:35 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 08, 2020, 10:58:19 PM
Yes, as is the wording on the Sky site:


Mr Wolters continued: "The hard evidence we don't have, we don't have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann's body.

"We expect that she is dead, but we don't have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.

"At the moment we also don't have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed.

"That's why we need more information from people, especially places he has lived so we can target these places especially and search there for Madeleine."

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094


Any familiar with German criminal law?

My only guess is that in Germany, they may need a body to prosecute for murder, regardless of whatever other evidence they may have...

Even if that's the case, why couldn't he be charged in Portugal?
Please don’t let him be charged in Portugal.  He will get off scot-free and feted as a celebrity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 11:09:10 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 11:04:28 PM
1. It seems Germans are really determined to get this guy
2. How the hell Mark Warner allowed someone with a history of "sex crimes with minors" to work at the Ocean Club?
Perhaps they didn’t know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 10:56:05 PM
https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/politie-volgde-bus-met-duitse-maddie-verdachte-maar-die-bleek-spoorloos-in-amsterdam~aa77f1b3/

Google translation from Dutch press

drug trafficking. © AP
'Police followed bus with German Maddie suspect, but it turned out to be missing in Amsterdam'
The 43-year-old German suspected of murdering British Maddie McCann was observed by police in 2018. German detectives even followed Christian Brückner when he traveled to the Netherlands by bus. At the border, they informed their Dutch colleagues about the arrival of the sex offender, who was considered dangerous, but things went wrong after that. German media report this.

Caspar Naber 08-06-20, 23:00 Last update: 23:35
Upon arrival in Amsterdam, the German had suddenly disappeared, according to Braunschweiger Zeitung and Bild  . It is not known how he managed this and where he went afterwards. Brückner apparently traveled unnoticed to Italy, where he applied for a new passport at the German consulate in Milan. He was arrested on 27 September 2018 when the ID was collected. This on the basis of a European arrest warrant that had already been issued by the Public Prosecution Service in Flensburg.


That arrest warrant came about because Brückner did not comply with the conditions of his probation. It entered into effect on August 31, 2018 after his release from prison. He had been detained there for a year and three months for child abuse and possession of child pornography. Instead of reporting to his probation officer at least once a month, the German left for Italy via the Netherlands. In addition, he still had a 2011 and nine months' imprisonment for drug trafficking.

Because the German police already suspected in 2018 that he might have something to do with the disappearance of Maddie McCann and were considered "very dangerous", the Braunschweig detective arranged for him to be monitored 24 hours a day. This was done by local police officers and colleagues from the federal police.

Games
Brückner would soon have noticed that he was being watched. “He started playing games with us. For example, got on a tram and got off again shortly afterwards, '' the regional newspaper quoted one of the members of the observation team at the time. The detectives soon had enough of his games and told the suspect: "You will not lose us anyway."

The multiple convicted sex offender is said to have reacted angrily but eventually resigned himself to the situation. The investigators even made arrangements with Brückner. "I said to him: we can make things easier for ourselves. Let us know where you want to go. For example, we brought it to the health insurer or to the city center. ''

Christian Brückner stayed in Portugal from 1995 to 2007. His cell phone, according to police, was probed near Praia da Luz on the night of Madeleine McCann's disappearance. She disappeared on May 3, 2007 from the holiday home rented by her parents. This while Gerry and Kate McCann were having dinner in a restaurant with friends. Brückner called a Portuguese number just over an hour before the disappearance and had a conversation of about half an hour.

Accomplice
Earlier today, it was announced that the Portuguese police are a former employee on the trail of the holiday resort where the McCann family stayed in 2007. The man is suspected of complicity in the case. The detective suspects that he worked with Brückner, with whom he had several contacts at the time. He may have tipped the German off about a suitable time to enter the McCanns' apartment. The former employee of the complex has also been linked in the past to sex crimes with minors in the Algarve.


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Another person not thoroughly investigated by PJ at the time??

The PJ did a good job under the circumstances and DNA results let them down. But the Germans are going to be a laughing stock when the German abductor accomplice on the phone was in fact his girlfriend. If that is true it is a major embarrassment!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2020, 11:23:02 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 11:09:27 PM
The PJ did a good job under the circumstances and DNA results let them down. But the Germans are going to be a laughing stock when the German abductor accomplice on the phone was in fact his girlfriend. If that is true it is a major embarrassment!
Do you have a cite for the Germans claiming the phone conversation was with an accomplice?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 08, 2020, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 11:09:27 PM
The PJ did a good job under the circumstances and DNA results let them down. But the Germans are going to be a laughing stock when the German abductor accomplice on the phone was in fact his girlfriend. If that is true it is a major embarrassment!

I really can’t believe they are as incompetent as they appear to be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 11:52:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 11:23:02 PM
Do you have a cite for the Germans claiming the phone conversation was with an accomplice?

Of course they would think that number had something to do with Madeleine's disappearance happening shortly before she disappeared. That is a daft question IMO!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 08, 2020, 11:55:09 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 08, 2020, 10:58:19 PM
Yes, as is the wording on the Sky site:


Mr Wolters continued: "The hard evidence we don't have, we don't have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann's body.

"We expect that she is dead, but we don't have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.

"At the moment we also don't have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed.

"That's why we need more information from people, especially places he has lived so we can target these places especially and search there for Madeleine."

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094


Any familiar with German criminal law?

My only guess is that in Germany, they may need a body to prosecute for murder, regardless of whatever other evidence they may have...

Even if that's the case, why couldn't he be charged in Portugal?

According to Wiki, there have only been two bodyless convictions in Germany - one in 1924 & the other in 2005. The latter proved to be a miscarriage of justice when the victim, Rudolf Rupp, was later found submerged in the driver's seat of his car in the Danube. The accused were convicted on the basis they had dismembered the body & fed it to dogs...I don't think the Germans would want a repeat of this.
However, I think if Madeleine is actually dead, it will need to be established where she died before determining which country could legally proceed with a prosecution.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 09, 2020, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 08:29:37 PM
Getaway driver? Where was his vehicle parked?  You believe he sold Madeleine but after the disappearance he is reported to be working as a low paid waiter! 

Tasmin Silence suspect https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/tasminman.gif)(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/06/01/29239372-8393901-Officers_are_hoping_to_trace_the_woman_who_is_believed_to_have_s-a-59_1591404104678.jpg)

No, I do not believe that he sold Madeleine.   I believe that a very rich  and clever man commissioned a group of (maybe) burglars to abduct her.   When I say commissioned, large sums of money, or drugs, may have been offered, but it is quite likely that the burglars/abductors could alternatively have been blackmailed/threatened into doing it.   

One doesn't cross the Drug Baron or the Trafficking King.  Cos this is what might happen

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322187/British-man-tortured-Portugal-unpaid-drug-debt.html

This guy lost an ear, two fingers and three toes chopped off, testicle cut off and was about to be drown in the lake with a weight to hold him down when he escaped.


One doesn't cross The Drug Baron or the Trafficking King

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 12:32:43 AM
The German police want information from tourists who were in PDL from 1995 to 2007....why ? Why tourists and not people who have actually lived in PDL ?

It is thought that he may have carried out other sex attacks on British, American and Irish tourists but even if they could tie these to Brueckner it still doesn’t prove he is linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.

The German police don’t appear to be linking Brueckner to the other attacks we were told had been suffered by British children in their apartments. If they believe that he could enter an apartment and abduct a child why are they not linking him to the previous attacks ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:12:21 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2020, 11:52:17 PM
Of course they would think that number had something to do with Madeleine's disappearance happening shortly before she disappeared. That is a daft question IMO!
That is not what the police have said.  They are appealing for this person to come forward as a witness not a suspect.

IMO you are in no position to be accusing me of being daft.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:13:43 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 12:32:43 AM
The German police want information from tourists who were in PDL from 1995 to 2007....why ? Why tourists and not people who have actually lived in PDL ?

It is thought that he may have carried out other sex attacks on British, American and Irish tourists but even if they could tie these to Brueckner it still doesn’t prove he is linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.

The German police don’t appear to be linking Brueckner to the other attacks we were told had been suffered by British children in their apartments. If they believe that he could enter an apartment and abduct a child why are they not linking him to the previous attacks ?
What gives you the impression they have ruled him out of those attacks?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 09, 2020, 07:33:01 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 12:32:43 AM
The German police want information from tourists who were in PDL from 1995 to 2007....why ? Why tourists and not people who have actually lived in PDL ?

It is thought that he may have carried out other sex attacks on British, American and Irish tourists but even if they could tie these to Brueckner it still doesn’t prove he is linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.

The German police don’t appear to be linking Brueckner to the other attacks we were told had been suffered by British children in their apartments. If they believe that he could enter an apartment and abduct a child why are they not linking him to the previous attacks ?

Yes I was wondering about the following:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11111.msg563105#msg563105

The Germans/tabloids appear to be wanting to link CB with disappeared children/young women.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 09:07:20 AM
deleted, found the info I was looking for in archive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 09:20:56 AM
From the Guardian today - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/victim-asks-madeleine-mccann-detectives-review-her-case

Hazel Behan was working in Praia da Rocha, Portugal, 30 minutes’ drive from where Madeleine was abducted, when she was viciously assaulted by a stranger in her apartment in 2004. The assailant was never caught.


Similar MO to that used with the American lady

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 09:20:56 AM
From the Guardian today - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/victim-asks-madeleine-mccann-detectives-review-her-case

Hazel Behan was working in Praia da Rocha, Portugal, 30 minutes’ drive from where Madeleine was abducted, when she was viciously assaulted by a stranger in her apartment in 2004. The assailant was never caught.


Similar MO to that used with the American lady

If that is him he seems to have taken a video camera with him to the scene in both rapes and taken the time to set it up, confident he is not going to be disturbed as the victim is alone for hours. Either he changed his M.O. considerably when targeting Madeleine or he was confident he wouldn't be disturbed there either.
  If they do have other evidence that Bruckner was in 5a, what will people start to think about the dog alerts then
I wonder?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 09:43:34 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 09:32:14 AM
If that is him he seems to have taken a video camera with him to the scene in both rapes and taken the time to set it up, confident he is not going to be disturbed as the victim is alone for hours. Either he changed his M.O. considerably when targeting Madeleine or he was confident he wouldn't be disturbed there either.
  If they do have other evidence that Bruckner was in 5a, what will people start to think about the dog alerts then
I wonder?

The problem with the dog alerts is one of time.
If they were detecting Madeleine's  cadaver scent, then she would have to have been dead for upward of 60 minutes, maybe longer.
This is incompatible with McCann claims of regular visits.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2020, 09:46:28 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 09:43:34 AM
The problem with the dog alerts is one of time.
If they were detecting Madeleine's  cadaver scent, then she would have to have been dead for upward of 60 minutes, maybe longer.
This is incompatible with McCann claims of regular visits.

I agree so ether the alerts were not to  cadaver or the mccanns lied. SY appera to think the alerts were not to a cadaver in taht case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 09, 2020, 09:46:28 AM
I agree so ether the alerts were not to  cadaver or the mccanns lied. SY appera to think the alerts were not to a cadaver in taht case.

I agree with you there are certain possibilities such as those but, more than just those two. It is also possible the McCanns did lie about timing and the cadaver scent alerts correct but an abductor killed her.

  Smaller bodies can develop cadaver scent more quickly apparently.

I found this report of a podcast. From the Daily Star I know, so not a great source but interesting if this former judge agrees there is too little evidence to link Bruckner. I presume the podcast is German, so might be hard to track down.

"Dr Fischer, a former federal judge, said he did not believe German police had incontrovertible evidence she had been killed.

He said: "You don't know whether the child is dead or not.

"There are certain plausibilities that derive from criminal experience but which I think are spread with a certain unpleasant undertone also by the investigative authorities.

"If the public prosecutor knew more, they would say more."

Dr Fischer went on to say he was skeptical the case was about to be solved and unconvinced the police have enough evidence to prosecute.

"There is a clear evidence base, but no compelling evidence,” he said.

"It would be a mistake to commit yourself too early and to say that he was there, he has a criminal record, he doesn't say anything, he must have been."

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-german-prosecutor-madeleine-mccann-22159295 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-german-prosecutor-madeleine-mccann-22159295)

Edit - I found the original podcast, in German, so no idea how accurate the transcript above is.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html&prev=search (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html&prev=search)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 09, 2020, 10:24:09 AM
These are emotive times so please keep replies and comments constructive and above all, civil. TY

PS.  Anyone heard what this evidence is that allows the German prosecutor to claim for certain that Madeleine is deceased?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: John on June 09, 2020, 10:24:09 AM
These are emotive times so please keep replies and comments constructive and above all, civil. TY

PS.  Anyone heard what this evidence is that allows the German prosecutor to claim for certain that Madeleine is deceased?

Nothing much at all as far as I can see.  We still only have Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

Such a pity that The McCanns weren't afforded the same courtesy by so many.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:12:21 AM
That is not what the police have said.  They are appealing for this person to come forward as a witness not a suspect.

IMO you are in no position to be accusing me of being daft.

The Germans are convinced that he did it so they believe the call is to do with Madeleine's appearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:41:26 AM
Quote from: John on June 09, 2020, 10:24:09 AM
These are emotive times so please keep replies and comments constructive and above all, civil. TY

PS.  Anyone heard what this evidence is that allows the German prosecutor to claim for certain that Madeleine is deceased?

I don't think they are claiming for certain when they are saying things like this, ( Prosecutors Office)

'“We expect that she is dead, but we don’t have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-say-german-authorities (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-say-german-authorities)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 09, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:41:26 AM
I don't think they are claiming for certain when they are saying things like this, ( Prosecutors Office)

'“We expect that she is dead, but we don’t have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-say-german-authorities (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-say-german-authorities)

Either the British press are construing the facts as per usual or there is a flaw in the interpretation of what the Germans are actually claiming?

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: mrswah on June 09, 2020, 10:47:45 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 08, 2020, 10:32:33 PM
"Between 1992 – when he was 16 – and 1994, he lived in an institution for young people with learning difficulties."
https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/06/pictured-adoptive-mother-of-madeleine-mccann-first-suspect-christian-brueckner.html

The above article also talks about him having lived in an "institution for juvenile delinquents."  I wonder if that and the "special needs" establishment were one and the same.

It seems his mother couldn't manage ,  after her husband sustained an injury, and was no longer able to discipline the boy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: John on June 09, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
Seems the British press are construing the facts as usual then?

I would say so. It is rather curious to me why the German police at this time are sticking their necks out when they are really in the same position as Scotland Yard who have said there is no proof she is dead or alive. 

The German ex-judge I linked to above seems to have been involved in authoring some of the criminal code in Germany so I expect he knows his stuff when he says it would be a huge mistake to go after Bruckner too early.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 09, 2020, 10:53:40 AM
If Brückner is a lone wolf, they will struggle to get anything on him unless they stumble upon remains.  Looks like a job for the dogs.

Just makes one wonder how many other old paedophiles who roamed the area have hidden secrets buried there too?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:49:31 AM
I would say so. It is rather curious to me why the German police at this time are sticking their necks out when they are really in the same position as Scotland Yard who have said there is no proof she is dead or alive. 

The German ex-judge I linked to above seems to have been involved in authoring some of the criminal code in Germany so I expect he knows his stuff when he says it would be a huge mistake to go after Bruckner too early.

But surely by putting  all this information into the public domain, they have 'gone after him'

Not that he can do anything while locked up, but forewarned is forearmed - in regard to other cases, even if he is squeaky clean as regards Madeleine
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:58:50 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 10:53:55 AM
But surely by putting  all this information into the public domain, they have 'gone after him'

Not that he can do anything while locked up, but forewarned is forearmed - in regard to other cases, even if he is squeaky clean as regards Madeleine

I think they have gone after him. I agree with the judge, it's a mistake. The cynical side of me is thinking Scotland Yard are happy for this to happen whilst they remain non-committal. Then when nothing is found on Bruckner we have the association of him forever to the crime ( whether he did it or not) and another foreign police force to blame for messing the case up.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 11:11:04 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:58:50 AM
I think they have gone after him. I agree with the judge, it's a mistake. The cynical side of me is thinking Scotland Yard are happy for this to happen whilst they remain non-committal. Then when nothing is found on Bruckner we have the association of him forever to the crime ( whether he did it or not) and another foreign police force to blame for messing the case up.
 

Cynicism is good.

I think you are absolutely right regarding Grange. They can stay at arm's length, while pushing for more funding to keep the case live - after all it would look bad to shut down when they are so near to a conclusion.

Unless Brueckner has some cast iron alibi, he will always be viewed as most likely person whodunit & Grange can ultimately wind down by claiming that they identified the culprit but didn't have enough evidence to prove it.
Shades of Ben Needham.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 11:15:40 AM
Even if Brueckner confessed in front of TV cameras the sceptics would go: "Nah, he was paid for it. It is the parents who dunnit, because the dogs  never lie and our beloved inspector GA says so."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 11:11:04 AM
Cynicism is good.

I think you are absolutely right regarding Grange. They can stay at arm's length, while pushing for more funding to keep the case live - after all it would look bad to shut down when they are so near to a conclusion.

Unless Brueckner has some cast iron alibi, he will always be viewed as most likely person whodunit & Grange can ultimately wind down by claiming that they identified the culprit but didn't have enough evidence to prove it.
Shades of Ben Needham.

 Yes exactly my thinking!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 11:16:46 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 11:15:40 AM
Even if Brueckner confessed in front of TV cameras the sceptics would go: "Nah, he was paid for it. It is the parents who dunnit, because the dogs  never lie and our beloved inspector GA says so."

People make false confession, nothing to do with not wanting to believe him but the courts would need more. Ex Judge Dr Dr. Thomas Fischer is not a McCann family supporter or Amaral fan as far as I know yet he says there needs to be more evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
Might be best to see what comes out in the next week before jumping to conclusions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
Of course, if squeaky clean regarding Madeleine, there  would be nothing to confess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 11:16:46 AM
People make false confession, nothing to do with not wanting to believe him but the courts would need more. Ex Judge Dr Dr. Thomas Fischer is not a McCann family supporter or Amaral fan as far as I know yet he says there needs to be more evidence.

But, in the contrary, If he indeed did it, imagine the amount of gratification he had while watching the news. I bet he loved the attention and the the3arguido and likes crowd actually helped him to continue with his sick deeds and go unpunished
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 11:32:51 AM
He has been described as a rather cold character, so one doesn't know that he takes any long-term satisfaction about the crimes he is known to have committed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 11:37:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 09, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
Might be best to see what comes out in the next week before jumping to conclusions

Seems like that's what the German police have done IMO and that of the ex-judge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 11:26:26 AM
But, in the contrary, If he indeed did it, imagine the amount of gratification he had while watching the news. I bet he loved the attention and the the3arguido and likes crowd actually helped him to continue with his sick deeds and go unpunished

People who make false confessions get gratification also without even needing to do the crime. I've no idea how the 3arguido crowd are helping him, doesn't seem very relevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 11:16:46 AM
People make false confession, nothing to do with not wanting to believe him but the courts would need more. Ex Judge Dr Dr. Thomas Fischer is not a McCann family supporter or Amaral fan as far as I know yet he says there needs to be more evidence.

The Court didn't need more than a confession in the case of Leonor Cipriano despite her being beaten up by The PJ.

But that is Portugal for you.  That one needs looking into again without the assistance of Amaral.  Although Bruckner isn't going to confess to that one either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 11:42:51 AM
Mr Wolters: "We suspect that he has done some more crimes against the British, American and Irish nationals."

Why only these nationals?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 11:42:51 AM
Mr Wolters: "We suspect that he has done some more crimes against the British, American and Irish nationals."

Why only these nationals?

Why indeed.
Perhaps because he is known to have spent many years in and around Portuguese holiday resorts, which seem to be  popular among British & Irish tourists.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 11:48:40 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
I've no idea how the 3arguido crowd are helping him, doesn't seem very relevant.

Of course they are helping him, pointing the blame at parents, and diverting the attention from the real perpetrator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 11:49:02 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:19:55 AM
I agree with you there are certain possibilities such as those but, more than just those two. It is also possible the McCanns did lie about timing and the cadaver scent alerts correct but an abductor killed her.

  Smaller bodies can develop cadaver scent more quickly apparently.

I found this report of a podcast. From the Daily Star I know, so not a great source but interesting if this former judge agrees there is too little evidence to link Bruckner. I presume the podcast is German, so might be hard to track down.

"Dr Fischer, a former federal judge, said he did not believe German police had incontrovertible evidence she had been killed.

He said: "You don't know whether the child is dead or not.

"There are certain plausibilities that derive from criminal experience but which I think are spread with a certain unpleasant undertone also by the investigative authorities.

"If the public prosecutor knew more, they would say more."

Dr Fischer went on to say he was skeptical the case was about to be solved and unconvinced the police have enough evidence to prosecute.

"There is a clear evidence base, but no compelling evidence,” he said.

"It would be a mistake to commit yourself too early and to say that he was there, he has a criminal record, he doesn't say anything, he must have been."

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-german-prosecutor-madeleine-mccann-22159295 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-german-prosecutor-madeleine-mccann-22159295)

Edit - I found the original podcast, in German, so no idea how accurate the transcript above is.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html&prev=search (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html&prev=search)

Dr. Fischer talks sense and agrees with OG and the PJ. He is correct they have no evidence of Madeleine's body. They better not waste resources digging because the German is not Smithman. Search Barragem da Bravura lake for the body - by putting myself in his shoes you cannot dig on that hard ground but it's easy to use that massive lake for it to never be seen again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 09, 2020, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 11:46:34 AM
Why indeed.
Perhaps because he is known to have spent many years in and around Portuguese holiday resorts, which seem to be  popular among British & Irish tourists.

Germans and Dutch people seemed to like the Algarve too. I haven't seen much mention of Americans?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
according to the papers Naskscije is laying low....i wonder why. she is not under suspicion and if she has no information why not just say so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 09, 2020, 12:04:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:40:31 PM
Anyone here a member?  Some of us did predict this would happen...

Mark Williams-Thomas
@mwilliamsthomas
·
28m


There is a group on facebook called 'Madeleine McCann abduction or scam' . Its members are involved in trolling her parents. There latest action sums them up, they want to raise money for the suspect & predatory p.a.e.dophile #ChristianBrueckner to get him the best defence

Sadly it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 11:49:02 AM
Dr. Fischer talks sense and agrees with OG and the PJ. He is correct they have no evidence of Madeleine's body. They better not waste resources digging because the German is not Smithman. Search Barragem da Bravura lake for the body - by putting myself in his shoes you cannot dig on that hard ground but it's easy to use that massive lake for it to never be seen again.

There should be no competition between the police forces. They should all work together in solving this crime.
PJ unit that was in charge of Madeleine's case did more harm to the reputation of the area than all news stories together, for trying to hide the real picture.
I would not highlight the articles criticizing the current German prosecutor, he is right, the serial sex offender should be in jail and I hope they succeed in their efforts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2020, 10:40:31 PM
Anyone here a member?  Some of us did predict this would happen...

Mark Williams-Thomas
@mwilliamsthomas
·
28m


There is a group on facebook called 'Madeleine McCann abduction or scam' . Its members are involved in trolling her parents. There latest action sums them up, they want to raise money for the suspect & predatory p.a.e.dophile #ChristianBrueckner to get him the best defence

That's a fantastic idea.

I always donate to worthy causes & I've got plenty of spare cash lying around since I've been in lockdown for 4 months.
I'll have to look that group up & offer this innocent man my full support. 8((()*/ 8@??)(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 09, 2020, 12:16:53 PM
Quote from: misty on June 08, 2020, 10:56:05 PM
https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/politie-volgde-bus-met-duitse-maddie-verdachte-maar-die-bleek-spoorloos-in-amsterdam~aa77f1b3/

Google translation from Dutch press

drug trafficking. © AP
'Police followed bus with German Maddie suspect, but it turned out to be missing in Amsterdam'
The 43-year-old German suspected of murdering British Maddie McCann was observed by police in 2018. German detectives even followed Christian Brückner when he traveled to the Netherlands by bus. At the border, they informed their Dutch colleagues about the arrival of the sex offender, who was considered dangerous, but things went wrong after that. German media report this.

Caspar Naber 08-06-20, 23:00 Last update: 23:35
Upon arrival in Amsterdam, the German had suddenly disappeared, according to Braunschweiger Zeitung and Bild  . It is not known how he managed this and where he went afterwards. Brückner apparently traveled unnoticed to Italy, where he applied for a new passport at the German consulate in Milan. He was arrested on 27 September 2018 when the ID was collected. This on the basis of a European arrest warrant that had already been issued by the Public Prosecution Service in Flensburg.


That arrest warrant came about because Brückner did not comply with the conditions of his probation. It entered into effect on August 31, 2018 after his release from prison. He had been detained there for a year and three months for child abuse and possession of child pornography. Instead of reporting to his probation officer at least once a month, the German left for Italy via the Netherlands. In addition, he still had a 2011 and nine months' imprisonment for drug trafficking.

Because the German police already suspected in 2018 that he might have something to do with the disappearance of Maddie McCann and were considered "very dangerous", the Braunschweig detective arranged for him to be monitored 24 hours a day. This was done by local police officers and colleagues from the federal police.

Games
Brückner would soon have noticed that he was being watched. “He started playing games with us. For example, got on a tram and got off again shortly afterwards, '' the regional newspaper quoted one of the members of the observation team at the time. The detectives soon had enough of his games and told the suspect: "You will not lose us anyway."

The multiple convicted sex offender is said to have reacted angrily but eventually resigned himself to the situation. The investigators even made arrangements with Brückner. "I said to him: we can make things easier for ourselves. Let us know where you want to go. For example, we brought it to the health insurer or to the city center. ''

Christian Brückner stayed in Portugal from 1995 to 2007. His cell phone, according to police, was probed near Praia da Luz on the night of Madeleine McCann's disappearance. She disappeared on May 3, 2007 from the holiday home rented by her parents. This while Gerry and Kate McCann were having dinner in a restaurant with friends. Brückner called a Portuguese number just over an hour before the disappearance and had a conversation of about half an hour.

Accomplice
Earlier today, it was announced that the Portuguese police are a former employee on the trail of the holiday resort where the McCann family stayed in 2007. The man is suspected of complicity in the case. The detective suspects that he worked with Brückner, with whom he had several contacts at the time. He may have tipped the German off about a suitable time to enter the McCanns' apartment. The former employee of the complex has also been linked in the past to sex crimes with minors in the Algarve.


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Another person not thoroughly investigated by PJ at the time??

Going on that it looks as if Madeleine was targeted and it looks as if a holiday complex worker was involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
That's a fantastic idea.

I always donate to worthy causes & I've got plenty of spare cash lying around since I've been in lockdown for 4 months.
I'll have to look that group up & offer this innocent man my full support. 8((()*/ 8@??)(

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 09, 2020, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 09, 2020, 12:16:53 PM
Going on that it looks as if Madeleine was targeted and it looks as if a holiday complex worker was involved.

Going by that - no one for a start knows what time Maddie disappeared. [or do you no better B]

Why always go on just what you read- or someone says.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 12:40:44 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 12:11:21 PM
There should be no competition between the police forces. They should all work together in solving this crime.
PJ unit that was in charge of Madeleine's case did more harm to the reputation of the area than all news stories together, for trying to hide the real picture.
I would not highlight the articles criticizing the current German prosecutor, he is right, the serial sex offender should be in jail and I hope they succeed in their efforts.

No-one here is disputing the man should be in jail but you can't jail people for other crimes just because they have a record. That's what the Ex Judge is saying.
 And if there is no competition ( or differences) between the police forces why is it only the Germans saying she's dead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 12:45:01 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 09, 2020, 12:16:53 PM
Going on that it looks as if Madeleine was targeted and it looks as if a holiday complex worker was involved.

That is a big accusation to make without evidence. The group claim that they did regular checks and at different times. How would he or an OC employee know what was the best time to strike? Did Jez see him in the area when walking the streets? How about Totman, Moyes on the balcony or the checkers? Nobody claims to have seen him or his vehicle so how the Germans can say he did it is a massive leap of faith.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 09, 2020, 12:56:01 PM
Quote from: John on June 09, 2020, 10:24:09 AM
These are emotive times so please keep replies and comments constructive and above all, civil. TY

PS.  Anyone heard what this evidence is that allows the German prosecutor to claim for certain that Madeleine is deceased?

I watched this on GMB yesterday morning seems the evidence is here say. More or less same today coming from Germany





+1The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. - 

Transcript from item on GMB


Reporter in Berlin:

Investigators and prosecutors here are absolutely certain they have the right man. But so far they haven’t charged him there isn’t even an arrest warrant on him which isn’t necessary because he's  in jail anyhow for another charge.
 
But so far they are still missing, you know, the one important thing, which would be either the body or a confession by Christian Brueckner.


So far we know they haven’t even talked to Christian Brueckner they haven't even questioned him on Maddie because they are still trying to put together more and more of the pieces so they can put pressure on him and maybe get a confession from him.  Because so far they are certain that it’s him but it’s not enough to prosecute him.
 
Studio  -  Why without evidence are they certain?


Well there is lots of very critical pieces of evidence that put him in the direct vicinity of the crime but also apparently he has talked about what he has committed 13 years ago to other people and that is something investigators have pieced together in the past two years.


This investigation has secretly been going on since 2018, and we have learned from one person who, from what we know has been questioned by authorities, that she has been in an argument at a small news stand that Christian Brueckner used to run here in Germany selling newspapers, and chewing gum, and cigarettes, and they got into a discussion about the Maddie case and he boasted to them that.. he basically freaked out and said he doesn’t want anyone to talk in his little news stand about that case that that girl is dead.


And this is a quote -  “and this is good, that people will never find her again because there are ways to make human beings bodies disappear.”


And the police from what we understand has talked to numerous people has looked at …has checked protocols.


So, I think they have a kind of indirect confession from him that also includes insight, that only the actual murderer of Maddie -  they’re treating this as a murder investigation - that only the actual murderer of Maddie McCann would know.


But so far again this is not enough…the Chief Constable told us yesterday – that this is not enough yet to successfully charge him and then prosecute.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 12:40:44 PM
No-one here is disputing the man should be in jail but you can't jail people for other crimes just because they have a record. That's what the Ex Judge is saying.
 And if there is no competition ( or differences) between the police forces why is it only the Germans saying she's dead?

Neither you, me or the ex-judge would know about the current evidence that the current prosecutor has pointing at this guy.
They would not pick him up just out of the blue.

MADELEINE McCann cops have no clue where her body is buried but do know how she was killed, it is claimed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11816386/madeleine-mccann-cops-body-killed/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 01:06:48 PM
So, I think they have a kind of indirect confession from him that also includes insight, that only the actual murderer of Maddie -  they’re treating this as a murder investigation - that only the actual murderer of Maddie McCann would know.

Only the murderer of MM would know? The PJ files were released in 2008. Anybody could read the files and learn about this case! They don't know if she was murdered without a body so what would only the murderer know?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 01:16:06 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 01:00:42 PM
Neither you, me or the ex-judge would know about the current evidence that the current prosecutor has pointing at this guy.
They would not pick him up just out of the blue.

MADELEINE McCann cops have no clue where her body is buried but do know how she was killed, it is claimed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11816386/madeleine-mccann-cops-body-killed/

Speaking on Good Morning Britain, German newspaper Bild editor Julian Reichelt said: "They have an idea of how Madeleine McCann died - how the killing was actually done.

"But they do not know - and this is something they admit rather than a tactic - how the killing was actually done.

 *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 01:00:42 PM
Neither you, me or the ex-judge would know about the current evidence that the current prosecutor has pointing at this guy.
They would not pick him up just out of the blue.

MADELEINE McCann cops have no clue where her body is buried but do know how she was killed, it is claimed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11816386/madeleine-mccann-cops-body-killed/

Think about it this way. This ex judge ( I did a bit more digging) Is still very influential in German law and does still sit as a judge in some capacity.

'Thomas Fischer, born in 1953, is the presiding judge of the Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe.  His annual commentary on the Penal Code, “Beck’s Short Commentaries,” is considered the Bible of German Criminal Law.''

https://www.europeanpressprize.com/laureate/thomas-fischer/#:~:text=Thomas%20Fischer,Bible%20of%20German%20Criminal%20Law. (https://www.europeanpressprize.com/laureate/thomas-fischer/#:~:text=Thomas%20Fischer,Bible%20of%20German%20Criminal%20Law.)

 He will have a very good idea of what evidence police will have in a murder investigation where no charges are able to be brought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 01:56:42 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 01:40:43 PM
Think about it this way. This ex judge ( I did a bit more digging) Is still very influential in German law and does still sit as a judge in some capacity.

'Thomas Fischer, born in 1953, is the presiding judge of the Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe.  His annual commentary on the Penal Code, “Beck’s Short Commentaries,” is considered the Bible of German Criminal Law.''

https://www.europeanpressprize.com/laureate/thomas-fischer/#:~:text=Thomas%20Fischer,Bible%20of%20German%20Criminal%20Law. (https://www.europeanpressprize.com/laureate/thomas-fischer/#:~:text=Thomas%20Fischer,Bible%20of%20German%20Criminal%20Law.)

 He will have a very good idea of what evidence police will have in a murder investigation where no charges are able to be brought.

I am sorry but this is clutching at straws to desperately make a point.
He is not in charge of this case and therefore not relevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 01:56:42 PM
I am sorry but this is clutching at straws to desperately make a point.
He is not in charge of this case and therefore not relevant.

Why are you so desperate for this to be true ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 02:07:34 PM
OG and the PJ are not accusing this guy of Madeleine's murder. Only the Germans.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaEc0F8XYAAJLnf?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
Why are you so desperate for this to be true ?

No, I am not.
I just don't like twisting things. German prosecutor is in charge of this case, and he already said he has more than he is telling and now posters are desperately trying to find the gaps or weaknesses in his authority to make the case sound weaker.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 01:56:42 PM
I am sorry but this is clutching at straws to desperately make a point.
He is not in charge of this case and therefore not relevant.

He literally 'wrote laws' in Germany. He is fully aware of what evidence police need to charge a murder suspect in Germany. They can't charge him Therefore it can not be possible the police have any decent evidence.

I'm not twisting a thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 02:08:29 PM
No, I am not.
I just don't like twisting things. German prosecutor is in charge of this case, and he already said he has more than he is telling and now posters are desperately trying to find the gaps or weaknesses in his authority to make the case sound weaker.

If they cannot find evidence of Maddy's DNA in any of his vehicles they have a weak case because they cannot place him with her! They can do new DNA tests on actual evidence both dogs found behind that sofa.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
He literally 'wrote laws' in Germany. He is fully aware of what evidence police need to charge a murder suspect in Germany. They can't charge him Therefore it can not be possible the police have any decent evidence.

But how can he know what evidence they possibly have???  Germans had this guy followed 24/7 for years. True he made a fool of them by managing to escape to Italy but they got him again. Maybe they have listening devices that are not accepted in court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 02:23:03 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 02:14:10 PM
But how can he know what evidence they possibly have???  Germans had this guy followed 24/7 for years. True he made a fool of them by managing to escape to Italy but they got him again. Maybe they have listening devices that are not accepted in court.

If they have listening devices that are not accepted in court then it's not good evidence is it?
  What aces do you think the German police are hiding that they could charge him with but have decided not to charge him with?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 02:27:22 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 02:14:10 PM
But how can he know what evidence they possibly have???  Germans had this guy followed 24/7 for years. True he made a fool of them by managing to escape to Italy but they got him again. Maybe they have listening devices that are not accepted in court.

The only evidence I've seen is what he said in a pub to somebody in 2017 about this case. That person reported it and until the full statement is released we don't know what was actually said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 02:31:30 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 02:27:22 PM
The only evidence I've seen is what he said in a pub to somebody in 2017 about this case. That person reported it and until the full statement is released we don't know what was actually said.

But the prosecutor said they have more than they are telling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 02:36:22 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 02:31:30 PM
But the prosecutor said they have more than they are telling.

I don't remember him ever saying that, where?

"Hans Christian Wolters, a spokesperson for the Braunschweig public prosecutor’s office, said on Monday they have some evidence that Madeleine is dead but did not have enough for a trial.

Mr Wolters told Sky News: “The hard evidence we don’t have, we don’t have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann’s body.

“We expect that she is dead, but we don’t have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.''

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-08/german-prosecutors-have-some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/ (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-08/german-prosecutors-have-some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/)

 The only evidence they have of a death is the alleged confession, which would explain why he said we 'expect she is dead'. expect !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 02:36:22 PM
I don't remember him ever saying that, where?

"Hans Christian Wolters, a spokesperson for the Braunschweig public prosecutor’s office, said on Monday they have some evidence that Madeleine is dead but did not have enough for a trial.

Mr Wolters told Sky News: “The hard evidence we don’t have, we don’t have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann’s body.

“We expect that she is dead, but we don’t have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.''

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-08/german-prosecutors-have-some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/ (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-08/german-prosecutors-have-some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/)

The only evidence they have of a death is the alleged confession, which would explain why he said we 'expect she is dead'. expect !

Hope that's not based on the 'kiosk conversation' as didn't amount to anything anywhere near a confession.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 09, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Rape victim asks Madeleine McCann detectives to review her case
Exclusive: Irish woman says an earlier assault by new McCann suspect is similar to that on her
....................................................................

Behan added: “I had little hope over the last 16 years that they would find the man who did this. I was told at the time that I should just be quiet, that if I talked about what had happened I would bring bad publicity to the resort and put off the tourists.

“Then I read about the poor American woman who was raped in September 2005 – who I would love to talk to – and the possible link that was being made between her attack and the person who abducted Madeleine McCann, and I was so full of anger, I knew in my gut it was the right thing to do to speak out.

“I think if the police had done their job investigating what happened to me, if this is indeed the same man that attacked the American and abducted Madeleine McCann, they might have prevented the attack on her, and Madeleine would now be at home with her parents.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/victim-asks-madeleine-mccann-detectives-review-her-case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 02:36:22 PM
I don't remember him ever saying that, where?

"All indications we have got that I can't tell you point in the direction that Madeleine is dead.


"We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don't have the body."

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 03:02:08 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 02:31:30 PM
But the prosecutor said they have more than they are telling.

From whom will be interesting because they haven't even questioned the German suspect about this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 03:17:21 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 03:00:31 PM
"All indications we have got that I can't tell you point in the direction that Madeleine is dead.


"We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don't have the body."

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094

Thanks. That could refer to the alleged confession though as they are not going to tell us what was said in the alleged confession. It would still remain a confession made out of the police station and relayed by a 3rd party not the suspect.

I found a document on German Trials, page 19 has info on the 'pre trial investigation stage'.

The bolded bit is their emphasis

'At the end of the investigation, an indictment or termination order will be issued by the prosecutor and sent to the competent court.........The suspect is to be indicted whenever there are reasonable grounds to believe he or she might be convicted at the end of a trial

....The bill of indictment shall indicate the criminal offence with which the accused is charged, the time and place of commission.....'

https://www.justiceinitiative.org/uploads/cc4f8190-8afa-4513-9603-25ab7bc5bb46/universal-jurisdiction-law-and-practice-germany-20190417.pdf (https://www.justiceinitiative.org/uploads/cc4f8190-8afa-4513-9603-25ab7bc5bb46/universal-jurisdiction-law-and-practice-germany-20190417.pdf)

  So they are in the pre-trial phase and the prosecutor must know there are no reasonable grounds at the moment that CB would be convicted on or they would have charged him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 03:26:26 PM
 So is the pre-trial stage the same as investigation stage ?

I would say they might still be in the early investigation stage
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 09, 2020, 03:30:16 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 01:06:48 PM
So, I think they have a kind of indirect confession from him that also includes insight, that only the actual murderer of Maddie -  they’re treating this as a murder investigation - that only the actual murderer of Maddie McCann would know.

Only the murderer of MM would know? The PJ files were released in 2008. Anybody could read the files and learn about this case! They don't know if she was murdered without a body so what would only the murderer know?
Perhaps the position/location of Cuddle Cat when Kate realised Madeleine was not in her bed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 03:26:26 PM
So is the pre-trial stage the same as investigation stage ?

I would say they might still be in the early investigation stage

Yes I think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 09, 2020, 03:34:20 PM
It's not that I  even remotely think he should be innocent till proven guilty its obvious they have nothing.

Apart from him being a vile human being - there are thousands of them around

How many rapists pedophiles are in prison - even from Portugal he is not unique.

I can't believe this circus has warranted so much attention with media sky etc on just hearsay.

They are scraping the barrel for any information - that's usually when they are desperately grasping at straws. IMO

How will any sane person - if charged will think it credible after all the nonsensical news this week.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 09, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Rape victim asks Madeleine McCann detectives to review her case
Exclusive: Irish woman says an earlier assault by new McCann suspect is similar to that on her
....................................................................

Behan added: “I had little hope over the last 16 years that they would find the man who did this. I was told at the time that I should just be quiet, that if I talked about what had happened I would bring bad publicity to the resort and put off the tourists.

“Then I read about the poor American woman who was raped in September 2005 – who I would love to talk to – and the possible link that was being made between her attack and the person who abducted Madeleine McCann, and I was so full of anger, I knew in my gut it was the right thing to do to speak out.

“I think if the police had done their job investigating what happened to me, if this is indeed the same man that attacked the American and abducted Madeleine McCann, they might have prevented the attack on her, and Madeleine would now be at home with her parents.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/victim-asks-madeleine-mccann-detectives-review-her-case

Horrific case and I hope the young woman gets justice at last.

The case, however, does flag up that Brueckner, if he was the rapist, targets adult woman and leaves them alive after attacking them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 03:41:00 PM
He seems a bit indiscriminate age wise, but no signs of previous killing of victims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 03:54:04 PM
"Mr Reichelt said today Christian B has "knowledge" of the case that only the suspect could know, which led the authorities to say they believe Madeleine is dead."

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5681834/madeleine-mccann-missing-body-christian-b/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 09, 2020, 03:54:37 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 09, 2020, 03:30:16 PM
Perhaps the position/location of Cuddle Cat when Kate realised Madeleine was not in her bed?

Or the odour on Cuddle Cat that Eddie alerted to may, imo, suggest MM died or bled in the apartment. Surely the German Police will have considered the dog alerts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 03:54:04 PM
"Mr Reichelt said today Christian B has "knowledge" of the case that only the suspect could know, which led the authorities to say they believe Madeleine is dead."

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5681834/madeleine-mccann-missing-body-christian-b/

Given the amount of publicity this case has engendered over the years, I find that difficult to believe.

How could Herr Reichelt know what only the suspect would know? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 04:15:45 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 03:54:04 PM
"Mr Reichelt said today Christian B has "knowledge" of the case that only the suspect could know, which led the authorities to say they believe Madeleine is dead."

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5681834/madeleine-mccann-missing-body-christian-b/

Reichelt is the editor of a tabloid, so that's his interpretation. If Christian B had knowledge only the suspect could know that means prosecutors must have established what happened without CB telling them. Doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 04:18:25 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 09, 2020, 03:30:16 PM
Perhaps the position/location of Cuddle Cat when Kate realised Madeleine was not in her bed?

I and many others know that fact from the PJ files. They can't prove he was with MM without DNA evidence never mind abduct her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2020, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 04:15:45 PM
Reichelt is the editor of a tabloid, so that's his interpretation. If Christian B had knowledge only the suspect could know that means prosecutors must have established what happened without CB telling them. Doesn't make any sense.
It might next week when there might be more info
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 04:18:25 PM
I and many others know that fact from the PJ files. They can't prove if he ever met MM without DNA evidence never mind abduct her.

Ha, I thought for a moment you meant cuddlecat had abducted Madeleine

Is there any evidence that cuddlecat ever met Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 09, 2020, 04:18:48 PM
It might next week when there might be more info

I don't see how. For police to know CB has details 'only a suspect' would know, means they must know how she was killed. This tabloid editor contradicts himself and then says they don't know.

'"They have an idea of how Madeleine McCann died - how the killing was actually done.

"But they do not know - and this is something they admit rather than a tactic - how the killing was actually done.

As far as I can see the guy is not a psychic looking into next week, so he's speculating.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:19:55 AM
I agree with you there are certain possibilities such as those but, more than just those two. It is also possible the McCanns did lie about timing and the cadaver scent alerts correct but an abductor killed her.

  Smaller bodies can develop cadaver scent more quickly apparently.

I found this report of a podcast. From the Daily Star I know, so not a great source but interesting if this former judge agrees there is too little evidence to link Bruckner. I presume the podcast is German, so might be hard to track down.

"Dr Fischer, a former federal judge, said he did not believe German police had incontrovertible evidence she had been killed.

He said: "You don't know whether the child is dead or not.

"There are certain plausibilities that derive from criminal experience but which I think are spread with a certain unpleasant undertone also by the investigative authorities.

"If the public prosecutor knew more, they would say more."

Dr Fischer went on to say he was skeptical the case was about to be solved and unconvinced the police have enough evidence to prosecute.

"There is a clear evidence base, but no compelling evidence,” he said.

"It would be a mistake to commit yourself too early and to say that he was there, he has a criminal record, he doesn't say anything, he must have been."

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-german-prosecutor-madeleine-mccann-22159295 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-german-prosecutor-madeleine-mccann-22159295)

Edit - I found the original podcast, in German, so no idea how accurate the transcript above is.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html&prev=search (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html&prev=search)
Either you are suggesting it’s possible the abductor killed her and waited around for a bit to let the body develop cadaver odour or you’re suggesting he killed her, left her body there, the McCanns found it later, then hid it.  Neither seems very plausible to me, how about you?  The simplest explanation is that the dog alerts are irrelevant and should be dismissed once and for all - IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2020, 04:33:32 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
I don't see how. For police to know CB has details 'only a suspect' would know, means they must know how she was killed. This tabloid editor contradicts himself and then says they don't know.

'"They have an idea of how Madeleine McCann died - how the killing was actually done.

"But they do not know - and this is something they admit rather than a tactic - how the killing was actually done.

As far as I can see the guy is not a psychic looking into next week, so he's speculating.
If they can trace his young girlfriend for one.. She might have some information... We will see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:36:39 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 11:42:51 AM
Mr Wolters: "We suspect that he has done some more crimes against the British, American and Irish nationals."

Why only these nationals?
Maybe because they have unsolved sex attacks against individuals from these countries.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 04:37:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:31:42 PM
Either you are suggesting it’s possible the abductor killed her and waited around for a bit to let the body develop cadaver odour or you’re suggesting he killed her, left her body there, the McCanns found it later, then hid it.  Neither seems very plausible to me, how about you?  The simplest explanation is that the dog alerts are irrelevant and should be dismissed once and for all - IMO.

Only somebody that is scared would say that about evidence discovered at the crime scene. It doesn't matter what you and I think. That evidence should be re-tested because technology has advanced since 2007 and it is a requirement in any case!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
That's a fantastic idea.

I always donate to worthy causes & I've got plenty of spare cash lying around since I've been in lockdown for 4 months.
I'll have to look that group up & offer this innocent man my full support. 8((()*/ 8@??)(
I really wouldn’t have expected any less from you tbh.  Birds of a feather and all that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:31:42 PM
Either you are suggesting it’s possible the abductor killed her and waited around for a bit to let the body develop cadaver odour or you’re suggesting he killed her, left her body there, the McCanns found it later, then hid it.  Neither seems very plausible to me, how about you?  The simplest explanation is that the dog alerts are irrelevant and should be dismissed once and for all - IMO.

No. There are other possibilities. The McCanns could have lied or been mistaken about the timeline giving more time for a body to be in 5A and which also gave the abductor more time to carry out his crime.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 04:46:15 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 04:43:28 PM
No. There are other possibilities. The McCanns could have lied or been mistaken about the timeline giving more time for a body to be in 5A and which also gave the abductor more time to carry out his crime.

 

Not possible.  The times are proven.  8.30 pm to 10pm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 04:47:07 PM
Not at all, Mrs Fenn rubbished their regular checking hearing their daughter cry for 75 minutes. Plenty of time for death to happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 04:37:12 PM
Only somebody that is scared would say that about evidence discovered at the crime scene. It doesn't matter what you and I think. That evidence should be re-tested because technology has advanced since 2007 and it is a requirement in any case!
Behave!   What do you think I am scared of, really?  I’m astounded you’re still banging the “parent dunnit” drum - it truly boggles the mind that people could be this much in denial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 04:47:07 PM
Not at all, Mrs Fenn rubbished their regular checking hearing their daughter cry for 75 minutes. Plenty of time for death to happen.

But not for Cadaver Odour.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 04:48:46 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 04:47:07 PM
Not at all, Mrs Fenn rubbished their regular checking hearing their daughter cry for 75 minutes. Plenty of time for death to happen.

Oh, please. Since when Mrs Fenn'a account is a fact and McCanns is not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:49:50 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 04:43:28 PM
No. There are other possibilities. The McCanns could have lied or been mistaken about the timeline giving more time for a body to be in 5A and which also gave the abductor more time to carry out his crime.

 
Hang on, you are therefore suggesting the criminal stayed with the dead body in the apartment for a considerable length of time before carrying it away?? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 02:36:22 PM
I don't remember him ever saying that, where?

"Hans Christian Wolters, a spokesperson for the Braunschweig public prosecutor’s office, said on Monday they have some evidence that Madeleine is dead but did not have enough for a trial.

Mr Wolters told Sky News: “The hard evidence we don’t have, we don’t have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann’s body.

“We expect that she is dead, but we don’t have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.''

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-08/german-prosecutors-have-some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/ (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-08/german-prosecutors-have-some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/)

 The only evidence they have of a death is the alleged confession, which would explain why he said we 'expect she is dead'. expect !
Can I ask how you know what evidence of death the German police have?  Wolters said:

: “After all the information we got, the girl is dead. We have no information that she is alive. All indication we have got that I can’t tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead. We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don’t have the body.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 04:37:12 PM
Only somebody that is scared would say that about evidence discovered at the crime scene. It doesn't matter what you and I think. That evidence should be re-tested because technology has advanced since 2007 and it is a requirement in any case!

It too much of a coincidence for Eddie to have alerted to a corpse and for a child from that same apartment to have died and for it not to be connected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Can I ask how you know what evidence of death the German police have?  Wolters said:

: “After all the information we got, the girl is dead. We have no information that she is alive. All indication we have got that I can’t tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead. We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don’t have the body.”

The PJ said the same in August 2007.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1560595/Madeleine-McCann-assumed-dead.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 04:48:46 PM
Oh, please. Since when Mrs Fenn'a account is a fact and McCanns is not?

Since she doesn’t have a dog in the fight.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 09, 2020, 05:01:53 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 04:58:52 PM
It too much of a coincidence for Eddie to have alerted to a corpse and for a child from that same apartment to have died and for it not to be connected.

Can any one deny that cadaver smell/aroma may start immediately.

The fresh stage of decay kicks off about four minutes after death. Once the heart has stopped beating, the cells in the body are deprived of oxygen. As carbon dioxide and waste products build up, the cells start to break down as a result of enzymatic processes – these are known as autolysis. Initial visual signs of decomposition are minimal, although as autolysis progresses blisters and sloughing of skin may occur.

https://www.compoundchem.com/2014/10/30/decompositionodour/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 09, 2020, 05:03:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:31:42 PM
Either you are suggesting it’s possible the abductor killed her and waited around for a bit to let the body develop cadaver odour or you’re suggesting he killed her, left her body there, the McCanns found it later, then hid it.  Neither seems very plausible to me, how about you?  The simplest explanation is that the dog alerts are irrelevant and should be dismissed once and for all - IMO.

No that’s feeble. The dogs don’t lie and research shows them to be highly accurate . If they are irrelevant and they false alert all over the place then statistically the chances of false alerts to items linked to only one family would be millions to one surely... and we’re talking two dogs not one! There has to be a better explanation than “irrelevant” I’m afraid in order to explain what would be an implausible and statistically nigh on impossible coincidence. I’m afraid for me there must be a scientific explanation out there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:04:37 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 04:48:46 PM
Oh, please. Since when Mrs Fenn'a account is a fact and McCanns is not?

Mrs Fenn is an independent witness that did not know the victim. That's another reason why the police think the Smith family sighting is the most credible in this case. And they are right! OG need to wake up and quick!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 05:12:00 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:04:37 PM
Mrs Fenn is an independent witness that did not know the victim. That's another reason why the police think the Smith family sighting is the most credible in this case. And they are right! OG need to wake up and quick!

This is a Portuguese Investigation.  Not much chance of them waking up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 05:12:00 PM
This is a Portuguese Investigation.  Not much chance of them waking up.

OG have spent 12 million with no answers so it's to them! Wake up and quick!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:14:40 PM
OG have spent 12 million with no answers so it's to them! Wake up and quick!

How do you know they haven't got any answers?  It's not their Investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 09, 2020, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:48:13 PM
Behave!   What do you think I am scared of, really?  I’m astounded you’re still banging the “parent dunnit” drum - it truly boggles the mind that people could be this much in denial.

Well, your in denial that they didn't do it - whats changed to prove they wasn't involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:24:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 05:18:07 PM
How do you know they haven't got any answers?  It's not their Investigation.

They are certainly taking their time as they've been working on their final lead since 2015 with nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 09, 2020, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Can I ask how you know what evidence of death the German police have?  Wolters said:

: “After all the information we got, the girl is dead. We have no information that she is alive. All indication we have got that I can’t tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead. We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don’t have the body.”


They also admit to having nothing else - it depends on what report you read.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2020, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 09, 2020, 05:21:23 PM
Well, your in denial that they didn't do it - whats changed to prove they wasn't involved.

Where's the proof the Germans not involved..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 09, 2020, 05:30:24 PM
From Mark Williams-Thomas.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 09, 2020, 05:28:02 PM
Where's the proof the Germans not involved..

What matters is that they have to prove that the German was with MM never mind abduct and killed her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:24:20 PM
They are certainly taking their time as they've been working on their final lead since 2015 with nothing to show for it.

The PJ have been working on it since 2007.  Have they got anything to show for it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 09, 2020, 05:34:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 09, 2020, 05:28:02 PM
Where's the proof the Germans not involved..


What, Where is your proof he was - IMO it's going to fizzle out like all the other leads.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2020, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:30:54 PM
What matters is that they have to prove that the German was with MM never mind abduct and killed her.

All this prove they didn't is plain stupid.... It's necessary to prove the mccanns we're involved... Not that it had to be proved they weren't.  I doubt the police would have said so much if they didn't have some evidence... But we will wait and see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 05:37:19 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:00:03 PM
The PJ said the same in August 2007.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1560595/Madeleine-McCann-assumed-dead.html
Please stop being silly.  Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2020, 05:38:36 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 09, 2020, 05:34:35 PM

What, Where is your proof he was - IMO it's going to fizzle out like all the other leads.

May or may not... You cling on to your belief the mccanns are involved... I find that ridiculous
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 09, 2020, 05:03:10 PM
No that’s feeble. The dogs don’t lie and research shows them to be highly accurate . If they are irrelevant and they false alert all over the place then statistically the chances of false alerts to items linked to only one family would be millions to one surely... and we’re talking two dogs not one! There has to be a better explanation than “irrelevant” I’m afraid in order to explain what would be an implausible and statistically nigh on impossible coincidence. I’m afraid for me there must be a scientific explanation out there.
I find it amusing that sceptics seem willing to let go of the idea that the McCanns hid their child’s body but they simply cannot and will not come to terms with the possibility that their beloved dogs were wrong. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
The PJ have been working on it since 2007.  Have they got anything to show for it?

Not Maddie that's for sure, and that in it's self is evidence she wasn't abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 05:42:53 PM
If you are a sceptic and are now considering the possibility that Madeleine was killed by the German paedo in the Apartment  in order to explain the dog alerts, perhaps you can also explain the dog alerts that to the Scenic, Kate McCann’s trousers and the child’s t-shirt. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
Not Maddie that's for sure, and that in it's self is evidence she wasn't abducted.

No it isn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:44:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
No it isn't.

Yes it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 09, 2020, 05:30:24 PM
From Mark Williams-Thomas.

That is pathetic and wasting police time. They've wasted enough time!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 05:48:30 PM
Us sceptics are considering the possibility of Brueckner having killed Madeleine because on the face of it, he is a feasible suspect.
However, to date,no evidence has been produced that links him to Madeleine so we don't need to ponder dog alerts outside of 5A until then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:48:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 05:48:30 PM
Us sceptics are considering the possibility of Brueckner having killed Madeleine because on the face of it, he is a feasible suspect.
However, to date,no evidence has been produced that links him to Madeleine so we don't need to ponder dog alerts outside of 5A until then.

I'm not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:44:53 PM
Yes it is.

Hardly.  Unless you aren't very bright.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:48:55 PM
I'm not.

good for you  @)(++(*

Perhaps I should have said 'some sceptics'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 05:48:30 PM
Us sceptics are considering the possibility of Brueckner having killed Madeleine because on the face of it, he is a feasible suspect.
However, to date,no evidence has been produced that links him to Madeleine so we don't need to ponder dog alerts outside of 5A until then.

To be ruled in they are going to need crime scene evidence if they don't have anything else to connect him to her!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:53:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 05:49:38 PM
Hardly.  Unless you aren't very bright.

Hardly?!

See, you are admitting yourself there's a possibility it's true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:55:57 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 05:51:29 PM
To be ruled in they are going to need crime scene evidence if they don't have anything else to connect him to her!

He is a paedo who lived in PDL, he also burgled, used a mobile phone & owned a car & a campervan.

What more evidence do you need?

Throw away the key already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 09, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:55:57 PM
He is a paedo who lived in PDL, he also burgled, used a mobile phone & owned a car & a campervan.

What more evidence do you need?

Throw away the key already.

Have they not charged him yet,can't be long now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 05:59:13 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:55:57 PM
He is a paedo who lived in PDL, he also burgled, used a mobile phone & owned a car & a campervan.

What more evidence do you need?

Throw away the key already.

What indeed ?  If it's not enough they might always be able to 'find' some more   8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 06:00:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 09, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
Have they not charged him yet,can't be long now.

Tick Tock - as the saying goes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 09, 2020, 06:02:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 06:00:21 PM
Tick Tock - as the saying goes.

Time and tide,wonder why metodo never picked up on him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:55:57 PM
He is a paedo who lived in PDL, he also burgled, used a mobile phone & owned a car & a campervan.

What more evidence do you need?

Throw away the key already.

Quote from: barrier on June 09, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
Have they not charged him yet,can't be long now.

No wonder the McCanns are not raising their hopes of a conviction. It seems like they also know this German didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:08:59 PM

The police have evidence that she's dead. They know how she was killed.

But they can't be certain that she's dead.

That's some intelligent police work right there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:09:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 05:48:30 PM
Us sceptics are considering the possibility of Brueckner having killed Madeleine because on the face of it, he is a feasible suspect.
However, to date,no evidence has been produced that links him to Madeleine so we don't need to ponder dog alerts outside of 5A until then.
If you’re considering it’s a possibility and you’re certain the dog alerts were all 100% then thetwo things do not compute.  No wonder you refuse to ponder them too closely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
No wonder the McCanns are not raising their hopes of a conviction. It seems like they also know this German didn't do it.

They'll never give up hope that Maddies alive, even though the police know how she died.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 05:55:57 PM
He is a paedo who lived in PDL, he also burgled, used a mobile phone & owned a car & a campervan.

What more evidence do you need?

Throw away the key already.
You missed out a bit of detail. He was there that night, changed his car details the next day and confessed involvement to a friend, and the German police are convinced he did it based on information they have not yet revealed.  Apart from that of course the parents clearly dunnit innit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:12:54 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:08:59 PM
The police have evidence that she's dead. They know how she was killed.

But they can't be certain that she's dead.

That's some intelligent police work right there.
They didn’t say that, you just have poor comprehension skills.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:13:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
You missed out a bit of detail. He was there that night, changed his car details the next day and confessed involvement to a friend, and the German police are convinced he did it based on information they have not yet revealed.  Apart from that of course the parents clearly dunnit innit.

You seem to be presuming this man guilty.

There was me thinking your were against that kind of thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:17:35 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:13:22 PM
You seem to be presuming this man guilty.

There was me thinking your lot were against that kind of thing.
Once again, your comprehension skills have let you down.  I simply added some facts to the summary you gave but conveniently left out for some reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 06:20:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
You missed out a bit of detail. He was there that night, changed his car details the next day and confessed involvement to a friend, and the German police are convinced he did it based on information they have not yet revealed.  Apart from that of course the parents clearly dunnit innit.

Man you would be charging a lot of people for every BS story you have heard in a pub  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:21:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:17:35 PM
Once again, your comprehension skills have let you down.  I simply added some facts to the summary you gave but conveniently left out for some reason.

Thanks for quoting my post, it seems to have disappeared for some reason.

Maybe it was abducted.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:25:47 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 06:20:29 PM
Man you would be charging a lot of people for every BS story you have heard in a pub  @)(++(*
You’re still being silly despite my polite request to stop.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:27:38 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:21:58 PM
Thanks for quoting my post, it seems to have disappeared for some reason.

Maybe it was abducted.
If the police had discovered that one of the McCanns holiday friends had a conviction for child abuse, rape and burglary and had confessed to an associate that they knew what happened to Madeleine I guess you would be equally dismissive of the evidence, right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:29:51 PM
Raymond Hewlett claimed to know who took Maddie. Maybe he was talking about Christian paedo guy?!

Hewlett said he saw Maddie twice & got so close to her that  he could see her eye defect!!

 (&^&

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/i-saw-maddie-twice-admits-paedo-suspect-the-sun-16-t5180.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:30:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:27:38 PM
If the police had discovered that one of the McCanns holiday friends had a conviction for child abuse, rape and burglary and had confessed to an associate that they knew what happened to Madeleine I guess you would be equally dismissive of the evidence, right?

I certainly wouldn't donate to their defence fund, that's for sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 06:37:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:25:47 PM
You’re still being silly despite my polite request to stop.

Here you go - incriminating evidence on this suspect. He said Maddy was dead! We can all go home now.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:37:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:30:36 PM
I certainly wouldn't donate to their defence fund, that's for sure.
You didn’t answer the question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:38:35 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 06:37:07 PM
Here you go - incriminating evidence on this suspect. He said Maddy was dead! We can all go home now.

Off you go then, it’s probably time you hung up your investigating boots anyway - your theory was obviously deeply flawed from the start.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:37:24 PM
You didn’t answer the question.

Ok.

Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:27:38 PM
If the police had discovered that one of the McCanns holiday friends had a conviction for child abuse, rape and burglary and had confessed to an associate that they knew what happened to Madeleine I guess you would be equally dismissive of the evidence, right?

Not if he said the McCanns did it.

Then I'd believe him 100%.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2020, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 09, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
Have they not charged him yet,can't be long now.

strange that the PJ didnt charge him for the rape he was found guity of
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:38:35 PM
Off you go then, it’s probably time you hung up your investigating boots anyway - your theory was obviously deeply flawed from the start.

Indeed, because it has since been proven that Maddie was abduc.....oh, no wait, that's right.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Ok.

Not if he said the McCanns did it.

Then I'd believe him 100%.
And if he said nothing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:44:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:43:53 PM
And if he said nothing?

I'd still be certain the McCanns dunnit.

Because I'm certain they dunnit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:42:06 PM
Indeed, because it has since been proven that Maddie was abduc.....oh, no wait, that's right.....
She was abducted, the police are certain of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 06:46:11 PM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:46:16 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:44:39 PM
I'd still be certain the McCanns dunnit.

Because I'm certain they dunnit.
But you wouldn’t think the friend was involved is that what you’re saying?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:48:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:45:03 PM
She was abducted, the police are certain of it.

So why aren't they charging the abductor?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:49:05 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:48:10 PM
So why aren't they charging the abductor?
Because they obviously need more evidence to make the charges stick.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:49:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:46:16 PM
But you wouldn’t think the friend was involved is that what you’re saying?

I couldn't care less either way to be honest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:48:10 PM
So why aren't they charging the abductor?

Because they are not that certain
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:50:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:49:11 PM
I couldn't care less either way to be honest.
What you mean is you can’t answer honestly without looking like a complete hypocrite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 04:46:15 PM
Not possible.  The times are proven.  8.30 pm to 10pm

Are they? What about the actual duration of the visits and whether each person actually went into 5A as they said they did? Matthew Oldfield didn't see Madeliene specifically and Jane Tanner let slip Gerry had been off at football in the reconstruction they did. The timeline is questionable IMO.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:50:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:48:10 PM
So why aren't they charging the abductor?
Why aren’t they charging the McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:50:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:49:05 PM
Because they obviously need more evidence to make the charges stick.

That would suggest the evidence they have is both flimsy, yet conclusive at the same time.

Extraordinary!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:51:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:50:41 PM
Why aren’t they charging the McCanns?

Because it's not in their remit?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:53:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:50:06 PM
What you mean is you can’t answer honestly without looking like a complete hypocrite.

No, what I mean is, I'm certain the McCanns dunnit regardless of any of your witterings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 06:55:00 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:51:22 PM
Because it's not in their remit?

That's right, it has to be a stranger. Any old stranger will do as long as they can make it stick.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 06:55:11 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 06:50:27 PM
Are they? What about the actual duration of the visits and whether each person actually went into 5A as they said they did? Matthew Oldfield didn't see Madeliene specifically and Jane Tanner let slip Gerry had been off at football in the reconstruction they did. The timeline is questionable IMO.

Off at Football where, do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:50:50 PM
That would suggest the evidence they have is both flimsy, yet conclusive at the same time.

Extraordinary!
You are 100% certain the McCanns dunnit yet your evidence is flimsy at best, so why the mock incredulity?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:56:30 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 06:53:10 PM
No, what I mean is, I'm certain the McCanns dunnit regardless of any of your witterings.
No, it means you couldn’t answer my question honestly but can only deflect, deflect, deflect with your pathetic mantra.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:57:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 06:55:00 PM
That's right, it has to be a stranger. Any old stranger will do as long as they can make it stick.
And the Portuguese and German remit?  To protect the McCanns at any cost as well I suppose?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 06:55:11 PM
Off at Football where, do you think?

I don't know. Someone should ask him because he may have been watching football for longer than he was supposed to when he should have been checking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 06:50:27 PM
Are they? What about the actual duration of the visits and whether each person actually went into 5A as they said they did? Matthew Oldfield didn't see Madeliene specifically and Jane Tanner let slip Gerry had been off at football in the reconstruction they did. The timeline is questionable IMO.
Gerry was seen at the side of his apartment by an independent witness, who he told he’d been checking on the kids.  If he was lying what WAS he doing there at the side of the apartment in your view?  Soliciting?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 07:00:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:56:30 PM
No, it means you couldn’t answer my question honestly but can only deflect, deflect, deflect with your pathetic mantra.

No, it means I can't be arsed with entertaining your wittering.

I should know, I'm the one not doing it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:57:12 PM
And the Portuguese and German remit?  To protect the McCanns at any cost as well I suppose?

Well, your Portuguese  have been discredited and have taken their ball home.
The Germans are new to the game and haven't learned all the rules yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:01:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 07:00:28 PM
Well, your Portuguese  have been discredited and have taken their ball home.
The Germans are new to the game and haven't learned all the rules yet.
Erm...what?  What rules have the Germans not learned?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 07:03:32 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 06:57:51 PM
I don't know. Someone should ask him because he may have been watching football for longer than he was supposed to when he should have been checking.

There was a Television in the appartment, Silly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:03:36 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 07:00:13 PM
No, it means I can't be arsed with entertaining your wittering.

I should know, I'm the one not doing it.
LOL.  Funny how you could be arsed to answer all my other “witterings”, just not that one, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 07:04:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:03:36 PM
LOL.  Funny how you could be arsed to answer all my other “witterings”, just not that one, eh?

Yes, hilarious. Funniest thing I've heard since abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 07:05:04 PM
Okay.  Enough of this.

Any more Libel will be Deleted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 07:05:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:59:27 PM
Gerry was seen at the side of his apartment by an independent witness, who he told he’d been checking on the kids.  If he was lying what WAS he doing there at the side of the apartment in your view?  Soliciting?

Strange train of thought to go first to soliciting! He could have been anywhere and come back in that direction. Did the witness see him going in 5a? No, that's what I'm getting at.

Then when the friends agree to do a reconstruction ( that they all decided on) Jane Tanner talks about Gerry being gone too long 'watching the footy' and how Kate said something about him being sidetracked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 07:06:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 07:05:04 PM
Okay.  Enough of this.

Any more Libel will be Deleted.

Quite right.

No one should be suggesting paedo guy is guilty.

It is quite clearly libellous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 07:08:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 07:03:32 PM
There was a Television in the appartment, Silly.

Yes I know, back at cha Silly. His objective was to briefly check the kids but according to Jane Tanner he may have been sidetracked watching football. So maybe the checking took longer than they thought? why else would they say he was sidetracked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:01:23 PM
Erm...what?  What rules have the Germans not learned?

Rule I The family must not be upset.
Rule 2 Anybody other than a British person is fair game, particularly if they are swarthy.
Rule 3 Investigation must proceed at a sedate rate as there really is no urgency about it all

The Germans have already broke rule 1 and are borderline on rule 2 with their Teutonic blue eyed suspect.

A third transgression and they'll be sent off.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 07:09:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 07:06:03 PM
Quite right.

No one should be suggesting paedo guy is guilty.

It is quite clearly libellous.

You win The Gold Star on that one.  So watch it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 07:04:27 PM
Yes, hilarious. Funniest thing I've heard since abduction.
How much have you donated to the paedo’s fund so far?  Will you have a cake sale, or perhaps a sponsored trolling session to raise funds?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 07:08:13 PM
Yes I know, back at cha Silly. His objective was to briefly check the kids but according to Jane Tanner he may have been sidetracked watching football. So maybe the checking took longer than they thought? why else would they say he was sidetracked.

Watching Football on the Television in the appartment.  Don't be daft.  Where else do you think he went?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:12:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 07:08:30 PM
Rule I The family must not be upset.
Rule 2 Anybody other than a British person is fair game, particularly if they are swarthy.
Rule 3 Investigation must proceed at a sedate rate as there really is no urgency about it all

The Germans have already broke rule 1 and are borderline on rule 2 with their Teutonic blue eyed suspect.

A third transgression and they'll be sent off.
Well clearly they’re not protecting the McCanns then, which makes you wonder why they haven’t pointed the finger firrmly at them what with the dog alerts being 100% accurate and confirmed and all, instead of wasting all this time on an innocent paedo rapist guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:13:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 07:11:23 PM
Watching Football on the Television in the appartment.  Don't be daft.  Where else do you think he went?
Let’s invent a Tv lounge for communal use somewhere where Gerry watched the football alone, with no witnesses.  There, sorted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:10:04 PM
How much have you donated to the paedo’s fund so far?  Will you have a cake sale, or perhaps a sponsored trolling session to raise funds?

I haven't donated, yet , but I do hope he sues the arse out of all the tabloids that are accusing him of involvement in so many different crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 07:17:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:12:16 PM
Well clearly they’re not protecting the McCanns then, which makes you wonder why they haven’t pointed the finger firrmly at them what with the dog alerts being 100% accurate and confirmed and all, instead of wasting all this time on an innocent paedo rapist guy.

Well you see the Germans haven't been given all the pages yet - judicial secrecy and all that ' so they're not up to speed.
Besides they have their own dog in the race and want to get this guy for something, well anything really, so as to keep him in jail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:20:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 07:14:12 PM
I haven't donated, yet , but I do hope he sues the arse out of all the tabloids that are accusing him of involvement in so many different crimes.
LOL. As if.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:13:39 PM
Let’s invent a Tv lounge for communal use somewhere where Gerry watched the football alone, with no witnesses.  There, sorted.

Why would there be witnesses to Gerry watching TV in his living room? The fact Jane remembers Kate talking about him watching it proves he did and that it caused him to 'take longer than normal'.

All I'm suggesting is that the timeline might not be accurate if people were distracted and weren't sticking to the regular times they had agreed between each other.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:22:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 07:17:12 PM
Well you see the Germans haven't been given all the pages yet - judicial secrecy and all that ' so they're not up to speed.
Besides they have their own dog in the race and want to get this guy for something, well anything really, so as to keep him in jail.
What??  The files with the dog alerts are freely available to all.  Don’t they have the internet yet in Germany?  Ah I see, it’s a German conspiracy to keep this bloke in jail and they’re just using the McCann case as an excuse to keep him off the streets.  All makes perfect sense now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:23:19 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 07:20:37 PM
Why would there be witnesses to Gerry watching TV in his living room? The fact Jane remembers Kate talking about him watching it proves he did and that it caused him to 'take longer than normal'.

All I'm suggesting is that the timeline might not be accurate if people were distracted and weren't sticking to the regular times they had agreed between each other.
So. Gerry is in the apartment watching TV for what 10 minutes?  When does the abductor come in to murder Madeleine then?

PS how does Jane remembering Kate talking about it prove that he did do it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 07:24:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:22:19 PM
What??  The files with the dog alerts are freely available to all.  Don’t they have the internet yet in Germany?  Ah I see, it’s a German conspiracy to keep this bloke in jail and they’re just using the McCann case as an excuse to keep him off the streets.  All makes perfect sense now.


Damned cunning these foreigners.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 09, 2020, 07:24:26 PM

Damned cunning these foreigners.
For sure.  Or perhaps your suggestion is pure bollards from start to finish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 09, 2020, 07:27:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:25:40 PM
For sure.  Or perhaps your suggestion is pure bollards from start to finish.

If you're going to take that attitude, I'm not playing anymore , so there.

I'll go and find someone else, then you'll be sorry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 06:59:27 PM
Gerry was seen at the side of his apartment by an independent witness, who he told he’d been checking on the kids.  If he was lying what WAS he doing there at the side of the apartment in your view?  Soliciting?

So how did his check take so long? Jane was a witness to Kate saying he was probably watching football to explain his long absence. Jane leaves and see him talking to Jez. So that is at least 10 minutes after he first left. Jez said they talked for only 3 minutes (brief chat) and Jane claims to have seen them. What happened in the first 8 minutes?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 07:28:48 PM
So how did his check take so long? Jane was a witness to Kate saying he was probably watching football to explain his long absence. Jane leaves and see him talking to Jez. So that is at least 10 minutes after he first left. Jez said they talked for only 3 minutes (brief chat) and Jane claims to have seen them. What happened in the first 8 minutes?

He was in the lavvy, allegedly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 07:31:53 PM


There is more evidence placing the McCanns inside G5a than there is the paedo rapist guy.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 07:30:16 PM
He was in the lavvy, allegedly.

He adds that he never entered any other part of the residence [his bedroom or the kitchen] where he was for only two or three minutes, leaving yet again through the rear door that he closed but did not lock. https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

3 minutes is not 8 minutes. There is unaccounted time!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 09, 2020, 07:33:48 PM
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-van-spotted-22164891

Heri, your information?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 07:23:19 PM
So. Gerry is in the apartment watching TV for what 10 minutes?  When does the abductor come in to murder Madeleine then?

PS how does Jane remembering Kate talking about it prove that he did do it?

Well Kate and Jane Tanner can't be lying apparently unless they were mistaken which makes their statements fallible too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 09:04:41 PM
Hans Christian Wolters, a prosecutor in the northern city of Braunschweig - where detectives are leading the investigation - told the BBC: "We have evidence against the accused which leads us to believe that he really killed Madeleine but this evidence is not strong enough at the moment to take him to court."

The evidence is "strong enough to say that the girl is dead and strong enough to accuse a specific individual of murder - that strong," he said.

However he added: "One has to be honest and remain open to the possibility that our investigation could end without a charge, that it ends like the others have.

"We are optimistic it will be different for us but for that we need more information."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52984306

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 07:40:34 PM
Well Kate and Jane Tanner can't be lying apparently unless they were mistaken which makes their statements fallible too.
Can you supply a cite of what exactly was said by whom please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 09:19:43 PM
Can you supply a cite of what exactly was said by whom please.

It's on a documentary so I would have to transcribe it, would have to do it tomorrow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 09:36:17 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 09:28:24 PM
It's on a documentary so I would have to transcribe it, would have to do it tomorrow.
ok, no hurry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 09:36:53 PM
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/09/interpol-issue-arrest-warrant-for-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckners-ex-teenage-girlfriend/

Interpol Issue Arrest Warrant for Madeleine McCann Suspect Christian Brueckner’s Ex Teenage Girlfriend

In an unprecedented move, German authorities have issued an Interpol Red Notice for the immediate apprehension of the Kosovan, friends claim the relationship had fallen apart and they fought frequently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 09, 2020, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 09:04:41 PM
Hans Christian Wolters, a prosecutor in the northern city of Braunschweig - where detectives are leading the investigation - told the BBC: "We have evidence against the accused which leads us to believe that he really killed Madeleine but this evidence is not strong enough at the moment to take him to court."

The evidence is "strong enough to say that the girl is dead and strong enough to accuse a specific individual of murder - that strong," he said.

However he added: "One has to be honest and remain open to the possibility that our investigation could end without a charge, that it ends like the others have.

"We are optimistic it will be different for us but for that we need more information."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52984306
If it wasn't so serious your think some one is taking the Mick here,evidence strong enough to accuse yet not not enough to charge with the caveat it all might peter out any way,is it lost in translation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 09:44:13 PM

I've got a nasty suspicion that we are about to learn a bit more about German Law than we wanted to.

As if Portuguese Law wasn't bad enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 09:48:54 PM
you know that couple spotted with a child at Lagos Marina on the early morning of 4th May...was there a description of their appearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2020, 09:56:18 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 09:36:53 PM
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/09/interpol-issue-arrest-warrant-for-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckners-ex-teenage-girlfriend/

Interpol Issue Arrest Warrant for Madeleine McCann Suspect Christian Brueckner’s Ex Teenage Girlfriend

In an unprecedented move, German authorities have issued an Interpol Red Notice for the immediate apprehension of the Kosovan, friends claim the relationship had fallen apart and they fought frequently.
To issue an arrest warrant surely there must be evidence she has committed, a crime... What crime could that be
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 09:56:59 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11823591/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job/

 &%%6

This is not happening, right???


I have a feeling we will live 2007 again with all these unbelievable news from the tabloids

Why the hell they did not tell PJ about this?????
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 09, 2020, 07:33:48 PM
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-van-spotted-22164891

Heri, your information?

Holy sh!t!

His van was parked outside an old farm house?!

Jesus wept, it must be him then.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 10:04:04 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 09:56:59 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11823591/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job/

 &%%6

This is not happening, right???


I have a feeling we will live 2007 again with all these unbelievable news from the tabloids

Why the hell they did not tell PJ about this?????


This doesn't make sense.  Unless he just intended to Abduct Madeleine to order.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 09:56:59 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11823591/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job/

 &%%6

This is not happening, right???


I have a feeling we will live 2007 again with all these unbelievable news from the tabloids

Why the hell they did not tell PJ about this?????

I'd take it with a pinch of salt. More hearsay. Words from a friend of the girlfriend.

''The friend added: “The ex-girlfriend with him at dinner didn’t compute what he’d said because she didn’t believe him capable of doing something like that — even though he had been violent before.

“Then Christian went off the radar the day after the abduction. Both his exes became more suspicious when he didn’t return to the area for around three years.''

  I also read somewhere that he was around for months after the alleged abduction.  So which is it? Fled or was seen living at this house?

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 10:04:04 PM
This doesn't make sense.  Unless he just intended to Abduct Madeleine to order.

But can we trust the Sun?

Any time in the past 13 years we would all go "Whaaaaat?" to read this... Now I think this story must be fabricated as if it is true then the evidence is suddenly popping up from everywhere...

And if he was with these English girlfriends than why Interpoi is looking for the Kosovan girl? Maybe this is connected to a different time and a different case? Because he was with the Kosovan girl sometimes in 2014.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 09, 2020, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 10:04:04 PM
This doesn't make sense.  Unless he just intended to Abduct Madeleine to order.

Those are my thoughts too - except I think he may have seen what happened to Madeleine after she was taken & who killed her. CB is going to be under tremendous pressure when German police do question him.

Whose toes did he tread on with his own drug dealing? Did he carry a visible firearm to intimidate or for self-protection?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 09, 2020, 10:09:52 PM
I'd take it with a pinch of salt. More hearsay. Words from a friend of the girlfriend.

''The friend added: “The ex-girlfriend with him at dinner didn’t compute what he’d said because she didn’t believe him capable of doing something like that — even though he had been violent before.

“Then Christian went off the radar the day after the abduction. Both his exes became more suspicious when he didn’t return to the area for around three years.''

  I also read somewhere that he was around for months after the alleged abduction.  So which is it? Fled or was seen living at this house?

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/)
Did you actually read the article in the 2nd link?  It said he was seen in a village 50 minutes drive from PdL which I would describe as “out of the area”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 09, 2020, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: misty on June 09, 2020, 10:19:00 PM
Those are my thoughts too - except I think he may have seen what happened to Madeleine after she was taken & who killed her. CB is going to be under tremendous pressure when German police do question him.

Whose toes did he tread on with his own drug dealing? Did he carry a visible firearm to intimidate or for self-protection?

I think there is a tremendous amount of information still to come out in the wash.  Obviously he was known to and by many people in Portugal it will be interesting to see if anyone can supply the missing link.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 10:53:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2020, 09:36:17 PM
ok, no hurry.

10 minutes in. I'm sure you've seen it before so why are you asking?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 10:55:51 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/quiz-madeleine-mccann-suspect-over-22165832

'Quiz Madeleine McCann suspect over our girl, 8, who vanished three years earlier'

Joana Cipriano, eight, disappeared in 2004, five miles from where Madeleine McCann vanished. Her step-dad has urged German police to quiz Christian Brueckner over her disappearance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 10:58:20 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 09:36:53 PM
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/09/interpol-issue-arrest-warrant-for-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckners-ex-teenage-girlfriend/

Interpol Issue Arrest Warrant for Madeleine McCann Suspect Christian Brueckner’s Ex Teenage Girlfriend

In an unprecedented move, German authorities have issued an Interpol Red Notice for the immediate apprehension of the Kosovan, friends claim the relationship had fallen apart and they fought frequently.
Weirdly this supposedly ex girlfriend lives in the same town as Bruckner did when he was arrested last year according to her FB profile. 

ETA - ah it’s not so weird, as they met each other in the town before moving to PT, I thought he had met her out there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 09, 2020, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 09:56:59 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11823591/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job/

 &%%6

This is not happening, right???


I have a feeling we will live 2007 again with all these unbelievable news from the tabloids

Why the hell they did not tell PJ about this?????

Because the newspapers pay more ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2020, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 10:55:51 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/quiz-madeleine-mccann-suspect-over-22165832

'Quiz Madeleine McCann suspect over our girl, 8, who vanished three years earlier'

Joana Cipriano, eight, disappeared in 2004, five miles from where Madeleine McCann vanished. Her step-dad has urged German police to quiz Christian Brueckner over her disappearance
Cue apoplexy in some quarters


“Her murder investigation was led by Goncalo Amaral, the police chief who led the botched probe into ­Madeleine’s disappearance.


Madeleine McCann (Image: PA)
He was found to have falsified police ­documents in the Cipriano case and was jailed for 18 months”.

If only!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 11:07:19 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2020, 10:00:15 PM
Holy sh!t!

His van was parked outside an old farm house?!

Jesus wept, it must be him then.

Even if it was his vehicle, come someone please explain why that is unusual? Where should it be parked? He lived there  *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 11:09:43 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 11:07:19 PM
Even if it was his vehicle, come someone please explain why that is unusual? Where should it be parked? He lived there  *%87

Because he moved out months before this...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 11:09:43 PM
Because he moved out months before this...

Heri only found this image because he knows where he lived. It is possible he moved back there. Where was he staying in his camper? They haven't even released where he worked in May 2007 never mind where he lived.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 10, 2020, 12:19:26 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2020, 10:04:04 PM
This doesn't make sense.  Unless he just intended to Abduct Madeleine to order.

Or if he was paid to dispose of (or conceal) her body.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 10, 2020, 12:47:53 AM
Please excuse me if I am being a bit thick, but I have no memories of a camper van being mentioned near 5A.  Why is the campervan so important to Madeleine Mccanns abduction ?   Why is everyone getting so excited about it?

Presumably when CB travelled abroad, he left his camper van and car somewhere?   Where cheaper than in his own backyard?   Looks pretty safe there too.

I can see that there might be a connection to the Joana Cipriano case, where a white and brown campervan with a man in it, was spotted parked for several days … and also a black saloon was seen cruising around Figueira.   These sound like the vehicles that CB owned.


Maybe the Police are trying to jog peoples memories if they think the van was used for Madeleines abduction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:17:09 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2020, 11:16:09 PM
Heri only found this image because he knows where he lived. It is possible he moved back there. Where was he staying in his camper? They haven't even released where he worked in May 2007 never mind where he lived.
If he moved back there and that picture proves to be of his van and Madeleine’s body is found on land or down the adjacent well then I can see the relevance of that picture.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:17:46 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 10, 2020, 12:19:26 AM
Or if he was paid to dispose of (or conceal) her body.
Still banging that drum I see...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:26:59 AM
Madeleine McCann ‘died soon after abduction’
A German prosecutor said he believed that Madeleine McCann was killed soon after she was kidnapped
A German prosecutor said he believed that Madeleine McCann was killed soon after she was kidnapped
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Madeleine McCann was killed soon after she was kidnapped, a German prosecutor told The Times yesterday as it was reported that the prime suspect had boasted that he would “document” the abduction of a child.

Police have discovered that Christian Brückner discussed kidnapping, raping and killing a girl in a conversation with another paedophile online. He graphically described his wish to “catch something little and use it for days”.

Asked about the risk of being caught, he said: “Meh, if the evidence is destroyed . . .”

He added: “Then I’ll record maaaany videos/clips. I’ll document in detail how she’s being tortured.” The conversation was discovered by German police investigating the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, five, on the eve of the eighth year since Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor leading the investigation into Brückner, said he feared that Madeleine had been killed shortly after being abducted from her family’s holiday flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal.


“My private opinion is that he relatively quickly killed the girl, possibly abused her and then killed her,” he said. “We believe our suspect committed further crimes, especially sexual crimes, in Portugal possibly but also elsewhere like Germany.”

Mr Wolters said that Brückner, 43, could be released today if a court in Kiel, the northern city where he is serving 21 months for dealing drugs, granted him parole because he has served two thirds of his sentence. Brückner is appealing against a seven-year sentence imposed last year for raping an American woman near Praia da Luz.

“The sooner we get evidence, the better for us to avoid the risk of him ever being released,” Mr Wolters said. “If we find nothing new against him it could be that in seven years at the latest he may be released and leaves Germany for a country that doesn’t extradite.

“If we don’t solve the McCann case perhaps we can prove he committed one or two other crimes, which might be enough to keep him in prison permanently in preventive detention.”

Mr Wolters declined to say whether he believed that Brückner had filmed his abuse of Madeleine, as he did with his other victims. He said investigators want to collect as much proof as possible before interrogating Brückner so that he would not be able to weaken the case against him by finding explanations for individual pieces of circumstantial evidence against him.

Brückner is appealing against his sentence for raping a 72-year-old American woman in 2005 at a villa close to where the McCanns later stayed. A video at his nearby farmhouse showed him raping and torturing her, another woman and a teenage girl.

Hazel Behan, an Irish woman who was raped in 2004 by an intruder 12 miles from Praia da Luz, and who was also filmed by her attacker, has asked police to review her case.

The attack on her bore striking similarities to that on the American victim. The rapist, who spoke English and German and whose description matches Brückner, tortured her for five hours.

The father of Louise Kerton, a 24-year-old British student nurse who disappeared in Germany in 2001, urged police to investigate possible links with Brückner. Phil Kerton, 75, from Kent, said: “It just confirms that the family have been right to keep persisting, there was something to find out there.”

Prosecutors are also looking for links to Peggy Knobloch, who disappeared in Lichtenberg, Bavaria, in May 2001, when she was nine.

Dutch detectives are investigating whether Brückner could be linked to Jaïr Soares, a seven-year-old boy who disappeared on a trip to a beach near the Hague in 1995.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:12:34 AM
‘ ... Three years later his other British ex joked that Brueckner looked like some of the photofits in the search for Maddie's abductor and asked him if he took her.

A friend of both women, who have each been interviewed by police but are not suspected of being involved in Maddie's disappearance, said: 'He blanked the question and shrugged — then added, "Just don't go there".'

The anonymous friend, originally from North Yorkshire but now living in Lagos, Portugal, said people dismissed the flippant comments, adding that both of his exes were beaten by Brueckner when they dated him.

He claims to have met Brueckner when he worked at expat bar The Tavern in the Portuguese town.

He added: 'What he said at that dinner suggests he planned the whole thing very carefully and that he might even have stolen Madeleine to order.' (Daily Mail).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:40:25 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:12:34 AM
‘ ... Three years later his other British ex joked that Brueckner looked like some of the photofits in the search for Maddie's abductor and asked him if he took her.

A friend of both women, who have each been interviewed by police but are not suspected of being involved in Maddie's disappearance, said: 'He blanked the question and shrugged — then added, "Just don't go there".'

The anonymous friend, originally from North Yorkshire but now living in Lagos, Portugal, said people dismissed the flippant comments, adding that both of his exes were beaten by Brueckner when they dated him.

He claims to have met Brueckner when he worked at expat bar The Tavern in the Portuguese town.

He added: 'What he said at that dinner suggests he planned the whole thing very carefully and that he might even have stolen Madeleine to order.' (Daily Mail).

Is he referring to this pub opposite the church?

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 09:03:46 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 10:55:51 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/quiz-madeleine-mccann-suspect-over-22165832

'Quiz Madeleine McCann suspect over our girl, 8, who vanished three years earlier'

Joana Cipriano, eight, disappeared in 2004, five miles from where Madeleine McCann vanished. Her step-dad has urged German police to quiz Christian Brueckner over her disappearance

Thought so.  And about time too.  Bruckner could have sold her as well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 09:05:59 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 10, 2020, 12:19:26 AM
Or if he was paid to dispose of (or conceal) her body.

The day before Madeleine vanished?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 10, 2020, 09:37:47 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 09:03:46 AM
Thought so.  And about time too.  Bruckner could have sold her as well.

It was inevitable, Brückner is now fast becoming the fall guy for every mystery in western Europe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 09:44:54 AM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2020, 09:37:47 AM
It was inevitable, Brückner is now fast becoming the fall guy for every mystery in western Europe.

Not really.
Just cases of violent rape, paedophillia and missing children in countries where he is known/believed  to have lived.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 09:47:43 AM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2020, 09:37:47 AM
It was inevitable, Brückner is now fast becoming the fall guy for every mystery in western Europe.

I'm still opting for Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  It's hard sometimes but I shall stick with it.  Especially as I genuinely don't know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 09:47:43 AM
I'm still opting for Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  It's hard sometimes but I shall stick with it.  Especially as I genuinely don't know.

A policy I too believe.
However when someone has been found guilty of abusing children and the violent rape of an elderly woman, then one has to consider that there is a possibility that this person has committed previous ghastly crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 10:55:51 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/quiz-madeleine-mccann-suspect-over-22165832

'Quiz Madeleine McCann suspect over our girl, 8, who vanished three years earlier'

Joana Cipriano, eight, disappeared in 2004, five miles from where Madeleine McCann vanished. Her step-dad has urged German police to quiz Christian Brueckner over her disappearance

I think warning bells should have been ringing off the wall in Policia Judiciaria HQ when Madeleine went missing bearing in mind a little girl had gone missing just five miles up the road.
And who is to say they weren't and the coping strategy was less than solving what had happened and was more along the lines of covering it up.

What we found out from Kate's book and vigorously denied by apologists until they became ridiculous in their denials, is that there was a sexual predator on the loose in the Algarve who had a penchant for entering sleeping homes to assault little girls with impunity.

What we did not know until the news from Germany hit the news stands was the extent and variety of the sexual predation rampant in the Algarve at the time Joana and then Madeleine disappeared.  One victim has put it on record that she was advised that the attack on her was bad for the tourist industry.

It really doesn't matter how loudly those in denial shout out, it won't prevent them becoming a nasty footnote in history as the truth of the evil on the loose in the Algarve and the apparent lack of resolve to deal with it becomes more and more established as more information is revealed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 10, 2020, 10:01:29 AM
Quote from: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 09:44:54 AM
Not really.
Just cases of violent rape, paedophillia and missing children in countries where he is known/believed  to have lived.

And the claim is he murdered Maddie despite not having been accused previously of such an offence.  This entire charade is based on some alleged conversation with a so-called pal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2020, 09:37:47 AM
It was inevitable, Brückner is now fast becoming the fall guy for every mystery in western Europe.

there didn't seem to be much objection here when Amaral made the parents the fall guys...and perhaps the parents of joanna the fall guys. in this case I think at least we can expaect there will be no prosecutions or convictions without proper evidence and Bruckner wont be appearing looking like hes been ten rounds with Mike Tyson and confessed to all of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 10, 2020, 10:04:54 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 09:54:47 AM
I think warning bells should have been ringing off the wall in Policia Judiciaria HQ when Madeleine went missing bearing in mind a little girl had gone missing just five miles up the road.
And who is to say they weren't and the coping strategy was less than solving what had happened and was more along the lines of covering it up.

What we found out from Kate's book and vigorously denied by apologists until they became ridiculous in their denials, is that there was a sexual predator on the loose in the Algarve who had a penchant for entering sleeping homes to assault little girls with impunity.

What we did not know until the news from Germany hit the news stands was the extent and variety of the sexual predation rampant in the Algarve at the time Joana and then Madeleine disappeared.  One victim has put it on record that she was advised that the attack on her was bad for the tourist industry.

It really doesn't matter how loudly those in denial shout out, it won't prevent them becoming a nasty footnote in history as the truth of the evil on the loose in the Algarve and the apparent lack of resolve to deal with it becomes more and more established as more information is revealed.

But she didn't go missing, her uncle killed her and freely admitted doing so. Yawn zzzzzz
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 10, 2020, 10:01:29 AM
And the claim is he murdered Maddie despite not having been accused previously of such an offence.  This entire charade is based on some alleged conversation with a so-called pal.

Ian Huntley had no previous murder convictions....that means absolutely nothing....I certainly don't intend to dismiss it out of hand as you are until there is more information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 10, 2020, 10:04:54 AM
But she didn't go missing, her uncle killed her and freely admitted doing so. Yawn zzzzzz

no one freely admits to murder
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
there didn't seem to be much objection here when Amaral made the parents the fall guys...and perhaps the parents of joanna the fall guys. in this case I think at least we can expaect there will be no prosecutions or convictions without proper evidence and Bruckner wont be appearing looking like hes been ten rounds with Mike Tyson and confessed to all of them.

That was never going to happen anyway because it would have exposed the incompetence of The PJ.

Perhaps that is why he wasn't investigated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:09:13 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 10, 2020, 10:01:29 AM
And the claim is he murdered Maddie despite not having been accused previously of such an offence.  This entire charade is based on some alleged conversation with a so-called pal.

How do you know that this is all a "charade"?
No one knows what evidence the police have.
He may have murdered before and not been caught.
You cannot know for sure.
He should be thoroughly investigated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:10:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 10:06:20 AM
Ian Huntley had no previous murder convictions....that means absolutely nothing....I certainly don't intend to dismiss it out of hand as you are until there is more information.

Exactly!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 10:11:56 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 10, 2020, 10:04:54 AM
But she didn't go missing, her uncle killed her and freely admitted doing so. Yawn zzzzzz

This is looking like a dead duck, Angelo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:09:13 AM
How do you know that this is all a "charade"?
No one knows what evidence the police have.
He may have murdered before and not been caught.
You cannot know for sure.
He should be thoroughly investigated.

Working on that basis you'd better investigate everybody
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 10:17:04 AM
Working on that basis you'd better investigate everybody

No.
Only anyone with convictions for abusing children and violent rape who also lived in the area when those crimes were committed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 09:47:43 AM
I'm still opting for Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  It's hard sometimes but I shall stick with it.  Especially as I genuinely don't know.

That is the law, Eleanor, and if there is enough evidence to put him on trial he will be lawfully considered to be innocent until whether the charges are proven or not.  The courts will decide and not, thank the lord. the kangaroo court of the internet.

Going on his past record I would have imagined he fits to perfection the person who had the capability of abducting Madeleine and getting away with it.

If he did there remains a slight hope that she was taken to order and not for his proven usual purposes.  I don't think we will ever have a better opportunity to find out ... or a better candidate to point us in the right direction. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 10:22:17 AM

The hypocrisy is bewildering at times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:19:55 AM
No.
Only anyone with convictions for abusing children and violent rape who also lived in the area when those crimes were committed.

Anyone with conviction or just him?
I thought that was what Grange did with their 600 persons of interest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 10:26:27 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 10:21:37 AM
That is the law, Eleanor, and if there is enough evidence to put him on trial he will be lawfully considered to be innocent until whether the charges are proven or not.  The courts will decide and not, thank the lord. the kangaroo court of the internet.

Going on his past record I would have imagined he fits to perfection the person who had the capability of abducting Madeleine and getting away with it.

If he did there remains a slight hope that she was taken to order and not for his proven usual purposes.  I don't think we will ever have a better opportunity to find out ... or a better candidate to point us in the right direction.

Madeleine will have been worth a few bob to the right people.  I shall continue to hope for this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 10:23:20 AM
Anyone or just him?

There may be current investigations into other violent rapists/paedophiles who were within the area where these crimes were committed.
If they are known to the police then of course they should be thoroughly investigated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 10:22:17 AM
The hypocrisy is bewildering at times.

It positively reeks around here Eleanor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
There may be current investigations into other violent rapists/paedophiles who were within the area where these crimes were committed.
If they are known to the police then of course they should be thoroughly investigated.

This doesn't seem to have been a priority with The PJ.  It was so much more easy to try to stitch up the Mothers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:32:23 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 10:26:27 AM
Madeleine will have been worth a few bob to the right people.  I shall continue to hope for this.

I shall hope as well.
It must be very difficult for her parents to continue to have hope.
The visit they had from the police to update them on the German police beliefs must have been harrowing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 10:32:46 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 10:23:20 AM
Anyone with conviction or just him?
I thought that was what Grange did with their 600 persons of interest.

  ... and doesn't it look very much like that number of 600 persons of interest has been whittled down somewhat.  I think that is what happens to a list like that when it is painfully investigated to rule individuals in or to rule them out or else why bother having a list at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:32:23 AM
I shall hope as well.
It must be very difficult for her parents to continue to have hope.
The visit they had from the police to update them on the German police beliefs must have been harrowing.

The McCanns obviously hope even more than we do.  This isn't our child, so I don't really understand why some people think that our hope is emotional.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 10:32:46 AM
  ... and doesn't it look very much like that number of 600 persons of interest has been whittled down somewhat.  I think that is what happens to a list like that when it is painfully investigated to rule individuals in or to rule them out or else why bother having a list at all.

All Paedophiles, were they?  This wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Leepal on June 10, 2020, 11:06:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 10:06:20 AM
Ian Huntley had no previous murder convictions....that means absolutely nothing....I certainly don't intend to dismiss it out of hand as you are until there is more information.

Exactly.  There is a first time for everything.  This suspect may not have murdered before but he has, at the very least, committed crimes that surely suggest he's a psychopath, eg. brutally raping an older woman and taping it.  For someone like this it is not such a quantum leap that he would kill a defenceless child as it would be for most people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 11:19:31 AM
Quote from: Leepal on June 10, 2020, 11:06:50 AM
Exactly.  There is a first time for everything.  This suspect may not have murdered before but he has, at the very least, committed crimes that surely suggest he's a psychopath, eg. brutally raping an older woman and taping it.  For someone like this it is not such a quantum leap that he would kill a defenceless child as it would be for most people.

I don't really understand the definition of Psychopath, but he is obviously one sick puppy.

Whether or not he murdered anyone has still to be proven.  And I will defend his right to that.  Something that Kate and Gerry McCann never got from some.

Welcome, by the way.  It is aways good to see someone new.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 10:38:34 AM
The McCanns obviously hope even more than we do.  This isn't our child, so I don't really understand why some people think that our hope is emotional.

There is nothing wrong with hope based on emotion, after all this is the fate of a small child.

For some though the ‘hope’ was always obviously pragmatic and was just as pragmatically abandoned, with no thought for the child, when convenient.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:17:09 AM
If he moved back there and that picture proves to be of his van and Madeleine’s body is found on land or down the adjacent well then I can see the relevance of that picture.

Reports have said they examined that vehicle and have not found Madeleine's DNA.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: Leepal on June 10, 2020, 11:06:50 AM
Exactly.  There is a first time for everything.  This suspect may not have murdered before but he has, at the very least, committed crimes that surely suggest he's a psychopath, eg. brutally raping an older woman and taping it.  For someone like this it is not such a quantum leap that he would kill a defenceless child as it would be for most people.

Welcome to the forum Leepal.

He has to have had a motive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:09:13 AM
How do you know that this is all a "charade"?
No one knows what evidence the police have.
He may have murdered before and not been caught.
You cannot know for sure.
He should be thoroughly investigated.

For starters they have not found Madeleine's DNA in his vehicles so how did he move her away?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 11:40:38 AM
Does he need a motive, or at least one we might understand?

IF guilty, he may have just decided that this was on his 'bucket list'.
Could have been any child, any time as long as the circumstances were right - ie  child left alone, unguarded.
 and available.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 11:47:12 AM
I hope they have checked that he wasn't at work that night. Pubs are open at night. They better have done! That is why I wanted to know where he worked at the time of the disappearance. To clear basic stuff!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 11:40:38 AM
Does he need a motive, or at least one we might understand?

IF guilty, he may have just decided that this was on his 'bucket list'.
Could have been any child, any time as long as the circumstances were right - ie  child left alone, unguarded.
 and available.

He may but there’s no evidence of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 11:52:56 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 11:47:12 AM
I hope they have checked that he wasn't at work that night. Pubs are open at night. They better have done! That is why I wanted to know where he worked at the time of the disappearance. To clear basic stuff!

Well yes, a good solid alibi for that evening would certainly scupper things.

Presumably this would have been checked both by PJ and Grange.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 11:55:16 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 11:47:12 AM
I hope they have checked that he wasn't at work that night. Pubs are open at night. They better have done! That is why I wanted to know where he worked at the time of the disappearance. To clear basic stuff!

Maybe he nipped out for a fag break & stole Maddie at the same time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Leepal on June 10, 2020, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 11:19:31 AM
I don't really understand the definition of Psychopath, but he is obviously one sick puppy.

Whether or not he murdered anyone has still to be proven.  And I will defend his right to that.  Something that Kate and Gerry McCann never got from some.

Welcome, by the way.  It is aways good to see someone new.

Hi, I'm no expert in psychiatry but as I understand it a psychopath would have no empathy for other people.  The crime he has been convicted of certainly would suggest that.

I'm not saying he definitely abducted MM, we just don't know, obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 11:52:56 AM
Well yes, a good solid alibi for that evening would certainly scupper things.

Presumably this would have been checked both by PJ and Grange.


Yeah they can't be that useless! If they did miss it they better answer questions themselves! They haven't released that information and I don't know why not because witnesses may remember him at that place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:04:30 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 10, 2020, 10:19:55 AM
No.
Only anyone with convictions for abusing children and violent rape who also lived in the area when those crimes were committed.

He didn't have any rape convictions in 2007. 2 youth convictions for sexual activity in front of a child and a robbery.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Leepal on June 10, 2020, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 11:35:27 AM
Welcome to the forum Leepal.

He has to have had a motive.

Hello.  I'm guessing his motive (if he is the one) was sexual.  Something that is unthinkable to most of us but we do know such people exist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:08:37 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 11:29:36 AM
There is nothing wrong with hope based on emotion, after all this is the fate of a small child.

For some though the ‘hope’ was always obviously pragmatic and was just as pragmatically abandoned, with no thought for the child, when convenient.

I have always been more interested in The Rule of Law and only horrified by the desire of some people to convict The McCanns without a scrap of Proof.

I shall apply this to the latest Suspect.

There was never anything that I could do for Madeleine except to hope in passing.  If she is dead then she has been for a very long time and no longer suffering.

I don't think that I am a Pragmatist, although there have been times when I hoped that I was.  But that is the key.  HOPE.  I hope in all things.  And always have.

This is almost certainly an accident of birth and one for which I am grateful.  But you can't apply One Rule for some and not for others.  So therefor the current hypocrisy is leaving me bemused.

I shall do my best to Moderate fairly, presuming it even matters.  And I don't actually care what any of you think of me anymore anyway.

We will have no Libel about this man.  Or any in depth discussions about what he might have done to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: Leepal on June 10, 2020, 12:01:10 PM
Hi, I'm no expert in psychiatry but as I understand it a psychopath would have no empathy for other people.  The crime he has been convicted of certainly would suggest that.

I'm not saying he definitely abducted MM, we just don't know, obviously.

 I agree with your assessment. He seems like a sexual sadist, they are usually sociopathic, narcissistic and manipulative, a very dangerous combination. Savile was said to be one. They enjoy the vulnerability of the victim and fear generated through being sadistic. They don't target specific age groups.

 Still there is no evidence yet for police to place him in 5A or they would charge him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Leepal on June 10, 2020, 12:11:48 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 10:21:37 AM


Going on his past record I would have imagined he fits to perfection the person who had the capability of abducting Madeleine and getting away with it.



For a long time I have thought that if this case ever was solved it would probably turn out to be something relatively simple.  A person who lived in the area who somehow "got lucky" and went under the radar or slipped the net amid all the confusion. 

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 11:55:16 AM
Maybe he nipped out for a fag break & stole Maddie at the same time.

Without DNA evidence they cannot prove he was with her regardless of anything else you can dream up. You would certainly expect to find her DNA in his vehicle if he was involved. He didn't burn it to try and get rid of the evidence like Hamilton in the Harron case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: Leepal on June 10, 2020, 12:01:10 PM
Hi, I'm no expert in psychiatry but as I understand it a psychopath would have no empathy for other people.  The crime he has been convicted of certainly would suggest that.

I'm not saying he definitely abducted MM, we just don't know, obviously.

Exactly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:16:24 PM
Things are Moving fast....

''21 MINUTES AGO
PARLIAMENT ADDRESS ON CASE

GERMANY'S Justice Minister Claus Christian Claussen and members of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office are due to address parliament today about possible misconduct in the Christian B case, it is reported.

They will speak from 2 p.m. on Wednesday before the interior and legal committee of the state parliament, Bild reports.

According to Bild “the subject of the statement is the behaviour of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office in connection with the multiple convicted Christian B”.

Christian B is believed to have lodged papers to secure his release on parole last Friday, with an official hearing in Flensburg District Court at a later date.''

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-update/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-update/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:18:59 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:16:24 PM
Things are Moving fast....

''21 MINUTES AGO
PARLIAMENT ADDRESS ON CASE

GERMANY'S Justice Minister Claus Christian Claussen and members of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office are due to address parliament today about possible misconduct in the Christian B case, it is reported.

They will speak from 2 p.m. on Wednesday before the interior and legal committee of the state parliament, Bild reports.

According to Bild “the subject of the statement is the behaviour of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office in connection with the multiple convicted Christian B”.

Christian B is believed to have lodged papers to secure his release on parole last Friday, with an official hearing in Flensburg District Court at a later date.''

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-update/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-update/)

No Chance.  They legally do not have to release him on Parole.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 12:19:05 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:13:34 PM
Without DNA evidence they cannot prove he was with her regardless of anything else you can dream up.

Yes, even if there was a video, unless he was featured on it, there  might be no provable link, as he could have been given it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:18:59 PM
No Chance.  They legally do not have to release him on Parole.

It's not about his parole it would seem.

'“the subject of the statement is the behaviour of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office in connection with the multiple convicted Christian B”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:23:54 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:20:20 PM
It's not about his parole it would seem.

'“the subject of the statement is the behaviour of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office in connection with the multiple convicted Christian B”.

Not surprising when they have found him guilty for every unsolved crime they can think of!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:23:54 PM
Not surprising when they have found him guilty for every unsolved crime they can think of!

I'm wondering if it will be about leaking his details too. They gave enough detail to identify him for the media IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 10, 2020, 12:28:11 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:12:34 AM
‘ ... Three years later his other British ex joked that Brueckner looked like some of the photofits in the search for Maddie's abductor and asked him if he took her.

A friend of both women, who have each been interviewed by police but are not suspected of being involved in Maddie's disappearance, said: 'He blanked the question and shrugged — then added, "Just don't go there".'

The anonymous friend, originally from North Yorkshire but now living in Lagos, Portugal, said people dismissed the flippant comments, adding that both of his exes were beaten by Brueckner when they dated him.

He claims to have met Brueckner when he worked at expat bar The Tavern in the Portuguese town.

He added: 'What he said at that dinner suggests he planned the whole thing very carefully and that he might even have stolen Madeleine to order.[/b]' (Daily Mail).

My thoughts exactly, but I doubt that he handled her himself because of his disgusting urges.  He was the leader of the group IMO … and IMO was paid handsomely and /or blackmailed and threatened into doing it.

….But I freely admit that I do not know for certain.

However I have seen a video which I believe was showing Madeleine in 2012.   I also have many times the pointers to the elite man I suspect as having ordered Madeleine, to those of the German Police have about CB



No need to put my tin hat on, because I will just be ignored.  After all, ignoring a post is the best way to make sure it isn't remembered.  8)-)))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:28:49 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:20:20 PM
It's not about his parole it would seem.

'“the subject of the statement is the behaviour of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office in connection with the multiple convicted Christian B”.

There is a Jurisdiction Problem about The Rape Conviction.  This does not affect his Parole.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 12:33:35 PM
The issue of his parole is not one that would become before parliament. This obviously something more important.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:36:47 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:28:49 PM
There is a Jurisdiction Problem about The Rape Conviction.  This does not affect his Parole.

the word 'Misconduct' has been used.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 10, 2020, 12:37:28 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:23:54 PM
Not surprising when they have found him guilty for every unsolved crime they can think of!

Surely they realised that mentioning Madeleine McCann's name would restart the mayhem? The PJ/LP were buried beneath the tide of sightings in 2007 and I expect the German police to suffer a similar fate. They asked about a couple of vehicles and a phone call. Now they're going to get a lot more than that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 10, 2020, 12:28:11 PM
My thoughts exactly, but I doubt that he handled her himself because of his disgusting urges.  He was the leader of the group IMO … and IMO was paid handsomely and /or blackmailed and threatened into doing it.

….But I freely admit that I do not know for certain.

However I have seen a video which I believe was showing Madeleine in 2012.   I also have many times the pointers to the elite man I suspect as having ordered Madeleine, to those of the German Police have about CB

  No need to put my tin hat on, because I will just be ignored.  After all, ignoring a post is the best way to make sure it isn't remembered.  8)-)))

but that's a 2nd hand account isn't? Hearsay from a friend who has sold a story to the Sun. It would be very easy to make up such a story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 12:33:35 PM
The issue of his parole is not one that would become before parliament. This obviously something more important.

So Jurisdiction then?  But he was a German National in Italy, accused of  crime in Portugal.

Like I said, we are about to find out more about German Law than we ever wanted to know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:36:47 PM
the word 'Misconduct' has been used.

Who's Misconduct?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:42:59 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 10, 2020, 12:28:11 PM
My thoughts exactly, but I doubt that he handled her himself because of his disgusting urges.  He was the leader of the group IMO … and IMO was paid handsomely and /or blackmailed and threatened into doing it.

….But I freely admit that I do not know for certain.

However I have seen a video which I believe was showing Madeleine in 2012.   I also have many times the pointers to the elite man I suspect as having ordered Madeleine, to those of the German Police have about CB



No need to put my tin hat on, because I will just be ignored.  After all, ignoring a post is the best way to make sure it isn't remembered.  8)-)))

2012 video of Madeleine? Please share it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:42:59 PM
2012 video of Madeleine? Please share it.

Do a Search on this Forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 12:46:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
Do a Search on this Forum.

You mean there is a link to the actual video on this forum ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 10, 2020, 12:37:28 PM
Surely they realised that mentioning Madeleine McCann's name would restart the mayhem? The PJ/LP were buried beneath the tide of sightings in 2007 and I expect the German police to suffer a similar fate. They asked about a couple of vehicles and a phone call. Now they're going to get a lot more than that.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:42:59 PM
2012 video of Madeleine? Please share it.

Oh she can't share it, or any of the multitude of pointers that she has, but her blue folder has been on Crimewatch & she's been to Belgravia twice & they were very interested.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
Do a Search on this Forum.

Can't be her because I've never seen Madeleine in a video on this forum. Where was the sighting? location?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Who's Misconduct?

I quoted this before. The Prosecutors.

'Flensburg public prosecutor's office are due to address parliament today about possible misconduct in the Christian B case, it is reported.

They will speak from 2 p.m. on Wednesday before the interior and legal committee of the state parliament, Bild reports.

According to Bild “the subject of the statement is the behaviour of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office in connection with the multiple convicted Christian B”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 10, 2020, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 10, 2020, 10:04:54 AM
But she didn't go missing, her uncle killed her and freely admitted doing so. Yawn zzzzzz
A drug addict will say anything in exchange for his fix.   Especially if he is in fear of a beating up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 12:58:03 PM
Is this not on the wrong thread ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:53:51 PM
I quoted this before. The Prosecutors.

'Flensburg public prosecutor's office are due to address parliament today about possible misconduct in the Christian B case, it is reported.

They will speak from 2 p.m. on Wednesday before the interior and legal committee of the state parliament, Bild reports.

According to Bild “the subject of the statement is the behaviour of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office in connection with the multiple convicted Christian B”.
I read that he was extradited from Italy fir one crime then prosecuted and found guilty for the rape. That may be the basis for his appeal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 12:58:21 PM
I read that he was extradited from Italy fir one crime then prosecuted and found guilty for the rape. That may be the basis for his appeal

And are appeals usually heard in parliament? I doubt it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 01:06:06 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:04:35 PM
And are appeals usually heard in parliament? I doubt it.

No. It is to be heard before the European court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:11:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 01:06:06 PM
No. It is to be heard before the European court.

So that just leaves the 'behaviour' of the prosecutors as quoted from Bild.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 12:46:11 PM
You mean there is a link to the actual video on this forum ?

There was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 12:48:06 PM
Oh she can't share it, or any of the multitude of pointers that she has, but her blue folder has been on Crimewatch & she's been to Belgravia twice & they were very interested.

Anymore rude remarks about Sadie will be Deleted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 01:14:35 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:04:35 PM
And are appeals usually heard in parliament? I doubt it.

remember you are dealing with a foreign report in a foreign newspaper...dont rely on it being accurate
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 01:14:51 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:11:52 PM
So that just leaves the 'behaviour' of the prosecutors as quoted from Bild.

Yes and hopefully by next week the PJ and OG are back working on their final lead in this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 01:17:44 PM
Whatever is going on the German parliament, I'm sure it will be fully reported shortly and then there will be no doubt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 01:20:09 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:11:52 PM
So that just leaves the 'behaviour' of the prosecutors as quoted from Bild.

they may well be discusing the decision to prosecute him for rape.....its odd that his release is being discussed when he has only recently been sentenced
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 01:23:53 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 01:17:44 PM
Whatever is going on the German parliament, I'm sure it will be fully reported shortly and then there will be no doubt

I won't be holding my breath.  But then I don't think Bruckner will be getting Parole any time soon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 01:14:35 PM
remember you are dealing with a foreign report in a foreign newspaper...dont rely on it being accurate

I don't 100%, but it's German not Swahili, there will be plenty of German speakers to translate it for the English press and no-one is doubting the translations of the 1000s of stories being repeated about Bruckner's life so far.

We'll find out in an hour anyway. I doubt the word 'misconduct' and phrase 'behaviour of the prosecutors' has been mixed up that badly!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 01:29:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 01:20:09 PM
they may well be discusing the decision to prosecute him for rape.....its odd that his release is being discussed when he has only recently been sentenced

It is quite simple.  He is due for Parole on a drug charge in Germany.  His Rape conviction is a matter of Jurisdiction.  All bull poo if you ask me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:26:07 PM
I don't 100%, but it's German not Swahili, there will be plenty of German speakers to translate it for the English press and no-one is doubting the translations of the 1000s of stories being repeated about Bruckner's life so far.

We'll find out in an hour anyway. I doubt the word 'misconduct' and phrase 'behaviour of the prosecutors' has been mixed up that badly!

i predict you will be quite disapponted...where did you get this information from
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 01:31:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 01:23:53 PM
I won't be holding my breath.  But then I don't think Bruckner will be getting Parole any time soon.

I don't think this about parole, but we shall see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
The only sense I can make from all this is - its a brainwashing tactic that they have got there man

Not a very desirable one either so no one will care if he did it or not - he is going to be a scapegoat

It seems to me it is all being played out on another theatrical stage.

Another thing started in the middle - have they searched any of the ground/s where he stayed or lived ect ect


but we know what the ending will be they know it's him but not enough evidence to charge.

We have been told from invisible sources he did it he is the abductor - so that's the end of that.

Case closed we have our man - no closure/ justice of what really happened that night to Madie Mccann.

THE END......my post is my opinion on all this circus being played out

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:34:27 PM
Does anyone read sources when posted?   His appeal will be in a regional court. An address is being heard in parliament today so it can't be the same thing.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 01:31:20 PM
i predict you will be quite disapponted...where did you get this information from

3 pages back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 01:31:43 PM
I don't think this about parole, but we shall see

Of course it is.  Haven't you read any of this?  He has served a portion of his sentence on the Drug Charge and is now eligible for Parole.  If the German judiciary wish to grant this.

They won't.

The Jurisdiction is another matter entirely.

Sheesh.  Do none of you actually read what is written?  Or are your comprehension skills sadly lacking?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:34:27 PM
Does anyone read sources when posted?   His appeal will be in a regional court. An address is being heard in parliament today so it can't be the same thing.

it could well be relating to the reason for his appeal....he may well be questioning the process of the courts and the addres to parliamnet is for the prosecutor to explain his conduct
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 10, 2020, 01:39:39 PM
I notice on the list of OC employees in the files there is the word TAPAS written next to Peter K. (German surname).
He appears to have been absent from work 2-10th May & only started working at OC on 14th March 2007. There is no statement from him in the files. Does that mean PJ didn't take a statement from him on the basis he wasn't in work on the days around Madeleine's disappearance or that his statement is part of the withheld files?

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_851.jpg

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:41:28 PM
Found another article. It's about him being released for 4 weeks whilst he should have been banged up for child abuse. He is not appealing that little holiday!. So yes, possible misconduct by that particular prosecutor.

'The question is whether the man was temporarily released for about four weeks in 2018 due to a legal mishap by the Flensburg public prosecutor. It should be about a missed period, so that the man was released from custody at the time for child abuse. Back then it wasn't about Maddie, it was about another case.'

https://www.badisches-tagblatt.de/Nachrichten/Landtag-eroertert-Justizverhalten-gegen-Tatverdaechtigen-42734.html (https://www.badisches-tagblatt.de/Nachrichten/Landtag-eroertert-Justizverhalten-gegen-Tatverdaechtigen-42734.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
Of course it is.  Haven't you read any of this?  He has served a portion of his sentence on the Drug Charge and is now eligible for Parole.  If the German judiciary wish to grant this.

They won't.

The Jurisdiction is another matter entirely.

Sheesh.  Do none of you actually read what is written?  Or are your comprehension skills sadly lacking?

No it really isn't about parole. Misconduct of the Prosecutors for releasing him whilst he should have been imprisoned. Seems you didn't read the source I posted very well either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
Of course it is.  Haven't you read any of this?  He has served a portion of his sentence on the Drug Charge and is now eligible for Parole.  If the German judiciary wish to grant this.

They won't.

The Jurisdiction is another matter entirely.

Sheesh.  Do none of you actually read what is written?  Or are your comprehension skills sadly lacking?

Thank you for your rudeness Just what I've come to expect from you.
We are discussing a statement in the German Parliament, not a judicial decision, which is something entirely different
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 02:24:26 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 01:43:29 PM
No it really isn't about parole. Misconduct of the Prosecutors for releasing him whilst he should have been imprisoned. Seems you didn't read the source I posted very well either.

Are they going to let him out do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 02:26:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 01:45:04 PM
Thank you for your rudeness Just what I've come to expect from you.
We are discussing a statement in the German Parliament, not a judicial decision, which is something entirely different

I have never been rude to any of you.  But I wouldn't care if you thought I had.  You always have the option to Report me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 02:24:26 PM
Are they going to let him out do you think?

They did. by mistake for 4 weeks.  8(0(*  Again, if you read the article I linked to it has more info on the parole which is not being decided today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 02:41:31 PM
They did. by mistake for 4 weeks.  8(0(*  Again, if you read the article I linked to it has more info on the parole which is not being decided today.

Is he still in Prison?  I am beginning to wonder.

The interesting thing is, of course, that No McCann Supporter has actually accused him.  While some of you continue to accuse The McCanns.

This is the hypocrisy that sometimes nearly defeats me.  But only nearly.

I have become so much more able as the years have gone by.  But it is only ever Words.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:02:06 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
The only sense I can make from all this is - its a brainwashing tactic that they have got there man

Not a very desirable one either so no one will care if he did it or not - he is going to be a scapegoat

It seems to me it is all being played out on another theatrical stage.

Another thing started in the middle - have they searched any of the ground/s where he stayed or lived ect ect


but we know what the ending will be they know it's him but not enough evidence to charge.

We have been told from invisible sources he did it he is the abductor - so that's the end of that.

Case closed we have our man - no closure/ justice of what really happened that night to Madie Mccann.

THE END......my post is my opinion on all this circus being played out

You sadly have a jaundiced eye.  You appear to want The McCanns to be guilty.  So let's not even consider anyone else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:05:56 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 10:21:37 AM
That is the law, Eleanor, and if there is enough evidence to put him on trial he will be lawfully considered to be innocent until whether the charges are proven or not.  The courts will decide and not, thank the lord. the kangaroo court of the internet.

Going on his past record I would have imagined he fits to perfection the person who had the capability of abducting Madeleine and getting away with it.

If he did there remains a slight hope that she was taken to order and not for his proven usual purposes.  I don't think we will ever have a better opportunity to find out ... or a better candidate to point us in the right direction.

I would have imagined he fits to perfection the person who had the capability of abducting Madeleine and getting away with it.


Well there you go - seeing it all stems from the media and hearsay - he is already the culprit.

How many more will have convicted him by the brainwashing? - IMO was the intention.

He will end up the scapegoat - just as GA predicted


THE investigation into Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B may be dropped without more information from the public.

Prosecutors believe they have evidence Madeleine is dead, but not enough to charge the 43-year-old German.

⚠️ Click here for the latest news on Madeleine McCann

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11826886/madeleine-mccann-probe-christian-b-dropped/


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:11:26 PM

Oh Dear, Oh Dear.  But nothing beyond what I expected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:02:06 PM
You sadly have a jaundiced eye.  You appear to want The McCanns to be guilty.  So let's not even consider anyone else.


Not at all my eyes are green - the thing here is its not a case of not considering anyone else.

How could I when my 100% belief is that I don't believe Maddie was abducted

It's just like me asking you to believe the mccs was involved - but I wouldn't do that I respect your opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 03:12:15 PM
I'm puzzled as to why he was charged in a German court for an offence committed in Portugal.

Does the German Constitution allow for a German national to be tried in Germany irrespective of where an offence is committed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 02:57:31 PM
Is he still in Prison?  I am beginning to wonder.

The interesting thing is, of course, that No McCann Supporter has actually accused him.  While some of you continue to accuse The McCanns.

This is the hypocrisy that sometimes nearly defeats me.  But only nearly.

I have become so much more able as the years have gone by.  But it is only ever Words.

Maybe supporters here haven't accused him but there's a media frenzy and plenty of people convinced he must have dunnit because he's a nasty piece of work. I haven't decided the McCann's guilty, I just think it's in the realms of possibility that they or someone else in the group could have been untruthful or mistaken about at least some of what happened that night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:15:27 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:12:09 PM

Not at all my eyes are green - the thing here is its not a case of not considering anyone else.

How could I when my 100% belief is that I don't believe Maddie was abducted

It's just like me asking you to believe the mccs was involved - but I wouldn't do that I respect your opinion.

So it is only your belief.  You don't actually have any proof.

This is the sad thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 03:12:15 PM
I'm puzzled as to why he was charged in a German court for an offence committed in Portugal.

Does the German Constitution allow for a German national to be tried in Germany irrespective of where an offence is committed?

Because he was in Italy at the time of his arrest.  Should he be allowed to bog off anywhere and then escape Justice because he was no longer in the Country of the professed Crime?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 03:22:47 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:18:52 PM
Because he was in Italy at the time of his arrest.  Should he be allowed to bog off anywhere and then escape Justice because he was no longer in the Country of the professed Crime?

You miss the point. Why the Germans ? Why not the Italians, which is where he was, or Portugal which is where the crime took place?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 03:13:34 PM
Maybe supporters here haven't accused him but there's a media frenzy and plenty of people convinced he must have dunnit because he's a nasty piece of work. I haven't decided the McCann's guilty, I just think it's in the realms of possibility that they or someone else in the group could have been untruthful or mistaken about at least some of what happened that night.

Thank You at least for that.

I am Not Convinced that Bruckner did this.  I apply my rules of honour to everyone.  Not least The McCanns.  But at least it is a start from you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:29:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 03:22:47 PM
You miss the point. Why the Germans ? Why not the Italians, which is where he was, or Portugal which is where the crime took place?

Because he committed Crimes in Germany and he wasn't in Portugal.  Is this hard to understand?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:15:27 PM
So it is only your belief.  You don't actually have any proof.

This is the sad thing.

I don't have any no - but neither do you that they weren't involved.

That is another sad thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:05:56 PM
I would have imagined he fits to perfection the person who had the capability of abducting Madeleine and getting away with it.


Well there you go - seeing it all stems from the media and hearsay - he is already the culprit.

How many more will have convicted him by the brainwashing? - IMO was the intention.

He will end up the scapegoat - just as GA predicted


THE investigation into Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B may be dropped without more information from the public.

Prosecutors believe they have evidence Madeleine is dead, but not enough to charge the 43-year-old German.

⚠️ Click here for the latest news on Madeleine McCann

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11826886/madeleine-mccann-probe-christian-b-dropped/

Poster here say innocent till proven guilty. its posters like you who have blamed the parents without proper evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 03:35:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:26:25 PM
Thank You at least for that.

I am Not Convinced that Bruckner did this.  I apply my rules of honour to everyone.  Not least The McCanns.  But at least it is a start from you.

Oh...I thought you were being nice but it was just a backhanded compliment.
It is possible people who are sceptical about the McCanns/Tapas accounts are capable of nuanced thought and didn't just arrive at the opinion through emotional knee-jerking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 03:38:59 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 03:35:45 PM
Oh...I thought you were being nice but it was just a backhanded compliment.
It is possible people who are sceptical about the McCanns/Tapas accounts are capable of nuanced thought and didn't just arrive at the opinion through emotional knee-jerking.

i think the man reason poepl are scepyical of the McCanns is because like amaral they overestimate the value of the dog alerts. its also hyporcrtical of amaral to blame the McCanns when he has no real evidence but to suggest that we shouldnt suspect the german.

To coin a phrase...has the suspect been proven innocent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 03:31:31 PM
Poster here say innocent till proven guilty. its posters like you who have blamed the parents without proper evidence

Wrong - what it boils down to is do you believe Maddie was abducted ....I don't.

Not only is there no proper evidence she was abducted - there is zero evidence that she was abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 03:49:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 03:29:24 PM
Because he committed Crimes in Germany and he wasn't in Portugal.  Is this hard to understand?

That explains the extradition, not why he was prosecuted in Germany for a Portuguese crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 03:38:59 PM
i think the man reason poepl are scepyical of the McCanns is because like amaral they overestimate the value of the dog alerts. its also hyporcrtical of amaral to blame the McCanns when he has no real evidence but to suggest that we shouldnt suspect the german.

To coin a phrase...has the suspect been proven innocent

My belief the mccs are involved is my own opinion - nothing to do with blaming GA like in your post
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:31:12 PM
I don't have any no - but neither do you that they weren't involved.

That is another sad thing.

But you have No Proof.  And I simply don't understand how anyone can be accused without this.

The McCanns left their children alone.  But then so did I.  I no longer know if this was acceptable.  We are all so much more smart these days in the light of rampaging Paedophiles.

I am not sure if I would even like The McCanns, but that wouldn't be for their apparent lack of child care.  Only because they did so much better than I did, together.

Kate at least hung on to who she is as a female individual.  Me?  I had no chance.  This you see is what I think it is all about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 03:35:45 PM
Oh...I thought you were being nice but it was just a backhanded compliment.
It is possible people who are sceptical about the McCanns/Tapas accounts are capable of nuanced thought and didn't just arrive at the opinion through emotional knee-jerking.

It was a compliment.  I am sorry that you didn't see that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 03:49:58 PM
That explains the extradition, not why he was prosecuted in Germany for a Portuguese crime.

I think you might be right.  But this appears to be what it is all about.  At the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:00:05 PM
But you have No Proof.  And I simply don't understand how anyone can be accused without this.

The McCanns left their children alone.  But then so did I.  I no longer know if this was acceptable.  We are all so much more smart these days in the light of rampaging Paedophiles.

I am not sure if I would even like The McCanns, but that wouldn't be for their apparent lack of child care.  Only because they did so much better than I did, together.

Kate at least hung on to who she is as a female individual.  Me?  I had no chance.  This you see is what I think it is all about.

You're confusing evidence & proof.

You don't need proof to accuse someone of something, evidence is sufficient, as is evident by the German police's accusations against paedo rapist guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:51:06 PM
My belief the mccs are involved is my own opinion - nothing to do with blaming GA like in your post

Amaral was a Provincial Policeman without even half a brain, who drove his own small daughter around in his car when he was drunk, according to his wife.  What price his opinion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 04:17:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 03:31:31 PM
Poster here say innocent till proven guilty. its posters like you who have blamed the parents without proper evidence

Well, if that the case why say what was said in the post that I replied to - do you have to speak for other posters now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 04:22:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:16:43 PM
Amaral was a Provincial Policeman without even half a brain, who drove his own small daughter around in his car when he was drunk, according to his wife.  What price his opinion?

You forgot to mention he's a convicted perjurer.

But at least he can account for all his children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:22:36 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
You're confusing evidence & proof.

You don't need proof to accuse someone of something, evidence is sufficient, as is evident by the German police's accusations against paedo rapist guy.

Evidence is never enough, as is proven by The German Police.  I don't care of what The German Police think might be.

And then of course, there will be a Jurisdiction Problem.  Won't that be fun.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:24:29 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 04:17:29 PM
Well, if that the case why say what was said in the post that I replied to - do you have to speak for other posters now.

Let's not go there.  You would be on a sticky wicket.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:25:56 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 04:22:17 PM
You forgot to mention he's a convicted perjurer.

But at least he can account for all his children.

But not his wife.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 10, 2020, 04:27:15 PM
More clues to be revealed on German TV tonight?...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11828758/madeleine-mccann-cops-not-bombshell-clues/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11828758/madeleine-mccann-cops-not-bombshell-clues/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:00:05 PM
But you have No Proof.  And I simply don't understand how anyone can be accused without this.

The McCanns left their children alone.  But then so did I.  I no longer know if this was acceptable.  We are all so much more smart these days in the light of rampaging Paedophiles.

I am not sure if I would even like The McCanns, but that wouldn't be for their apparent lack of child care.  Only because they did so much better than I did, together.

Kate at least hung on to who she is as a female individual.  Me?  I had no chance.  This you see is what I think it is all about.

That's what I'm hanging onto really a female individual hanging on to what I truly believe.

I will be the first to admit they do bring the worst out in me.

But otherwise, you and I are no different apart from you believe them I don't.

It seems you are caring and just see the good in people a good quality to have and I'm sure you did a great job at bringing up your children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 04:30:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:22:36 PM
Evidence is never enough, as is proven by The German Police.  I don't care of what The German Police think might be.

And then of course, there will be a Jurisdiction Problem.  Won't that be fun.

Evidence isn't enough to accuse someone of something?

Really?

You mean the justice system have been getting it wrong for the past 300 odd years?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 04:31:05 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 10, 2020, 04:27:15 PM
More clues to be revealed on German TV tonight?...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11828758/madeleine-mccann-cops-not-bombshell-clues/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11828758/madeleine-mccann-cops-not-bombshell-clues/)

From the article itself, it appears to be nothing to do with police - it's a documentary'

"The documentary, which airs tonight, will speak to experts with inside knowledge of the probe into Madeleine's disappearance.

Clarence Mitchell, a long-term close adviser of the McCanns, and Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt are among those interviewed on the RTL special programme.

German profiler and crime expert Axel Petermann will piece together a picture of Chrisian B.

It follows last week's revelation that he had been identified as the prime suspect in the Madeleine probe.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 04:33:33 PM
German efficiency isn't that good then,still no charges,won't be long though,or maybe not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 04:27:37 PM
That's what I'm hanging onto really a female individual hanging on to what I truly believe.

I will be the first to admit they do bring the worst out in me.

But otherwise, you and I are no different apart from you believe them I don't.

It seems you are caring and just see the good in people a good quality to have and I'm sure you did a great job at bringing up your children.

I did a totally crap job in bringing up my children.  They are all fine by dint of their own efforts.  But you and I will be fine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 04:36:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 10, 2020, 04:27:15 PM
More clues to be revealed on German TV tonight?...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11828758/madeleine-mccann-cops-not-bombshell-clues/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11828758/madeleine-mccann-cops-not-bombshell-clues/)

So he's being tried in the German media as well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 04:42:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2020, 04:36:50 PM
So he's being tried in the German media as well.

Looks like it.
Bound to be a high quality, well research production seeing as how they must have had the best part of seven days to put it together.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2020, 04:36:50 PM
So he's being tried in the German media as well.

Goodness me, whatever next.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 04:48:29 PM
Mitchell and Brunt will have nothing of value to add, but will help to spin it out.
 Only surprised they haven't made a hat-trick by including Mark William Thomas.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:53:35 PM

Perhaps it was a joint effort.  The McCanns wanted to sell their daughter and he was in the market.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 04:56:30 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:51:06 PM
My belief the mccs are involved is my own opinion - nothing to do with blaming GA like in your post

I would say it's clear you overestimate the value of the alerts... As amaral did
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:43:22 PM
Goodness me, whatever next.
It'll be all over soon,what more do you want.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:59:03 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2020, 04:56:43 PM
It'll be all over soon,what more do you want.

No it won't.  Even if Bruckner is found guilty The McCanns will always be guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 05:00:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:59:03 PM
No it won't.  Even if Bruckner is found guilty The McCanns will always be guilty.

Fear not Bruckner didn't do it,as to the other,?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 05:02:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:59:03 PM
No it won't.  Even if Bruckner is found guilty The McCanns will always be guilty.

This bitterness can't be doing you any good.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 03:05:56 PM
I would have imagined he fits to perfection the person who had the capability of abducting Madeleine and getting away with it.


Well there you go - seeing it all stems from the media and hearsay - he is already the culprit.

How many more will have convicted him by the brainwashing? - IMO was the intention.

He will end up the scapegoat - just as GA predicted


THE investigation into Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B may be dropped without more information from the public.

Prosecutors believe they have evidence Madeleine is dead, but not enough to charge the 43-year-old German.

⚠️ Click here for the latest news on Madeleine McCann

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11826886/madeleine-mccann-probe-christian-b-dropped/

As you say, "it all stems from the media and hearsay" and it is worth bearing in mind exactly who led the field on that with his claim about a German suspect back in April of this year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 05:02:05 PM
This bitterness can't be doing you any good.

How very crass.

Crass means Clot, by the way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 05:08:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 04:59:03 PM
No it won't.  Even if Bruckner is found guilty The McCanns will always be guilty.

I think only to a few die hard on the net... But in real life no.
I think many criticise the mccanns for leaving maddie but the vast majority believe in abduction.. Apart from those in portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 03:35:45 PM
Oh...I thought you were being nice but it was just a backhanded compliment.
It is possible people who are sceptical about the McCanns/Tapas accounts are capable of nuanced thought and didn't just arrive at the opinion through emotional knee-jerking.

The evidence did not support Amaral's claims at any point during his investigation.  If the evidence does not support charges being laid against Christian Bruckner he won't be tried.  And in both instances the presumption of innocence applies.

What is it you have difficulty with regarding that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 05:21:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:33:18 PM
From the Times today  - behind paywall so no link


Headline - Madeleine McCann case: police seek a ‘knockout blow’ to charge suspect Christian Brückner

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann is said to have been placed under surveillance in jail in the hope that he will confess to the notorious crime to a fellow prisoner.

Police believe that Christian Brückner might inadvertently blurt out enough details about his involvement in her disappearance to allow them to charge him with her kidnapping and murder.

Damn the secret is out,he's in solitary and can't confess to others.

He said he had visited his client at the Kiel Penitentiary, where the 43-year-old German was being held in solitary confinement, it was reported.
When asked how his client was doing, Fülscher replied: "How should a person be doing who is isolated in a prison and accused of the worst crimes by half the world's population?"

The lawyer announced that he would take "civil or criminal" action against false suspicions of his client.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11829697/madeleine-mccann-suspect-no-information-lawyer/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2020, 05:21:54 PM
Damn the secret is out,he's in solitary and can't confess to others.

He said he had visited his client at the Kiel Penitentiary, where the 43-year-old German was being held in solitary confinement, it was reported.
When asked how his client was doing, Fülscher replied: "How should a person be doing who is isolated in a prison and accused of the worst crimes by half the world's population?"

The lawyer announced that he would take "civil or criminal" action against false suspicions of his client.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11829697/madeleine-mccann-suspect-no-information-lawyer/

False suspicions..has he been declared innocent....is there no free speech in Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 05:34:41 PM

Thank God for Reruns of London's Burning is all I can say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2020, 05:21:54 PM
Damn the secret is out,he's in solitary and can't confess to others.

He said he had visited his client at the Kiel Penitentiary, where the 43-year-old German was being held in solitary confinement, it was reported.
When asked how his client was doing, Fülscher replied: "How should a person be doing who is isolated in a prison and accused of the worst crimes by half the world's population?"

The lawyer announced that he would take "civil or criminal" action against false suspicions of his client.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11829697/madeleine-mccann-suspect-no-information-lawyer/

Lets hope he doesn't do an 'Epstein' while in solitary, although thinking about it, it might be the ideal solution - a dead paedophile patsy, who can be blamed for all sorts of crimes
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 05:37:23 PM
Lets hope he doesn't do an 'Epstein' while in solitary, although thinking about it, it might be the ideal solution - a dead paedophile patsy, who can be blamed for all sorts of crimes

I shall remember that it was you who suggested this first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
I shall remember that it was you who suggested this first.

Can't imagine why  you should want to, but fine, I don't mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 11:32:16 AM
Reports have said they examined that vehicle and have not found Madeleine's DNA.
That is entirely beside the point I was making.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 05:45:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 04:56:30 PM
I would say it's clear you overestimate the value of the alerts... As amaral did

Wrong again D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 11:47:12 AM
I hope they have checked that he wasn't at work that night. Pubs are open at night. They better have done! That is why I wanted to know where he worked at the time of the disappearance. To clear basic stuff!
Yeah, the probably didn’t bother to check if he had an alibi, thank god you’ve suggested it!  I hope they’re reading this forum, so much good advice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 05:49:06 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 05:04:51 PM
As you say, "it all stems from the media and hearsay" and it is worth bearing in mind exactly who led the field on that with his claim about a German suspect back in April of this year.

Well its obvious he knew something was going on - he must still have friends in high places.

It wasn't just a guess
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 11:51:27 AM
He may but there’s no evidence of it.
What are you on about?  He’s a child abuser, a rapist and a burglar, all facts, take your pick of motives out of that lot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 05:52:09 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:04:30 PM
He didn't have any rape convictions in 2007. 2 youth convictions for sexual activity in front of a child and a robbery.
Hang on,  his youth crimes were sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child and performing a sex act in front of a child, as well as burglary.  Why are some people so keen to gloss over his crimes?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 05:53:23 PM
Quote from: Leepal on June 10, 2020, 12:11:48 PM
For a long time I have thought that if this case ever was solved it would probably turn out to be something relatively simple.  A person who lived in the area who somehow "got lucky" and went under the radar or slipped the net amid all the confusion.
Exactly my thoughts since day one, pretty much.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 05:53:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 05:37:23 PM
Lets hope he doesn't do an 'Epstein' while in solitary, although thinking about it, it might be the ideal solution - a dead paedophile patsy, who can be blamed for all sorts of crimes

Failed with the tractor driver chappy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 05:52:09 PM
Hang on,  his youth crimes were sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child and performing a sex act in front of a child, as well as burglary.  Why are some people so keen to gloss over his crimes?
Does not make a child abductor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 04:22:17 PM
You forgot to mention he's a convicted perjurer.

But at least he can account for all his children.
ore by luck than judgement if the reports of driving them around while drunk are to be believed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2020, 06:03:54 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 05:49:06 PM
Well its obvious he knew something was going on - he must still have friends in high places.

It wasn't just a guess

you mean the PJ are still leaking information...LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 05:49:06 PM
Well its obvious he knew something was going on - he must still have friends in high places.

It wasn't just a guess

I agree it wasn't just a guess.  Now we just have to work out in whose interest it is (according to German law that when a suspect is named he is entitled to see all the files in the case against him) for a person being investigated re Madeleine McCann to have large hints made to the media about who he is.

So why did Amaral talk about the jailed German paedophile to the Australian media in April of this year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:04:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2020, 05:59:05 PM
Does not make a child abductor.
What does make a child abductor?  Do you know for certain he has never taken a child, that he is not responsible for any of the crimes against children now missing he is being linked to, or do you think it’s possible he may have something to do with some or all of them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 06:05:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:04:50 PM
What does make a child abductor?  Do you know for certain he has never taken a child, that he is not responsible for any of the crimes against children now missing he is being linked to, or do you think it’s possible he may have something to do with some or all of them?
Yet to see a guilty verdict returned on any of them,do you know different.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 05:49:57 PM
What are you on about?  He’s a child abuser, a rapist and a burglar, all facts, take your pick of motives out of that lot.

so what are you on about - there's thousands of his sort about or do you think he is unique.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 06:13:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2020, 06:03:54 PM
you mean the PJ are still leaking information...LOL

I thought more SY.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 06:16:41 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 06:04:44 PM
I agree it wasn't just a guess.  Now we just have to work out in whose interest it is (according to German law that when a suspect is named he is entitled to see all the files in the case against him) for a person being investigated re Madeleine McCann to have large hints made to the media about who he is.

So why did Amaral talk about the jailed German paedophile to the Australian media in April of this year.

So why did Amaral talk about the jailed German paedophile to the Australian media in April of this year.



Well, IMO B to show how corrupt it all is - and it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:04:50 PM
What does make a child abductor?  Do you know for certain he has never taken a child, that he is not responsible for any of the crimes against children now missing he is being linked to, or do you think it’s possible he may have something to do with some or all of them?

How did he abduct her? No evidence of Madeleine in his vehicles.  Smithman was heading towards the beach and not in the direction of his property.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 06:16:41 PM


Well, IMO B to show how corrupt it all is - and it is.

I'm gratified you see that running the risk of compromising a police investigation is corrupt ... and in my opinion that is precisely what Amaral did ... "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2020, 06:05:59 PM
Yet to see a guilty verdict returned on any of them,do you know different.
You side-stepped the question, I wonder why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
so what are you on about - there's thousands of his sort about or do you think he is unique.
Thousands in PdL the night Madeleine went missing?  In any case Faithlilly’s question was about what possible motive he could have had and I suggested some based on crimes we know he has committed, that’s what I’m on about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 06:17:10 PM
How did he abduct her? No evidence of Madeleine in his vehicles.  Smithman was heading towards the beach and not in the direction of his property.
No evidence found 10+ years after she disappeared is hardly a huge surprise is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 06:33:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
No evidence found 10+ years after she disappeared is hardly a huge surprise is it?

If there was evidence of Madeleine it would be found but there is nothing. Back to Smithman after this nonsense!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 06:34:00 PM
New article in Daily Mail  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8406797/Madeleine-suspect-centre-legal-row-blunders-freed-jail-two-years-ago.html

The bit below the prison picture gives some explanation of the legal position.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 06:35:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
No evidence found 10+ years after she disappeared is hardly a huge surprise is it?

Probably not, but jolly crucial to any prosecution, I would think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:38:04 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 06:33:07 PM
If there was evidence of Madeleine it would be found but there is nothing. Back to Smithman after this nonsense!
Don’t be ridiculous, honestly- to say that there would definitely be evidence of a child in a car or van 10+ years after she once spent a few minutes in one is the height of idiocy imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 06:45:29 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 06:24:05 PM
I'm gratified you see that running the risk of compromising a police investigation is corrupt ... and in my opinion that is precisely what Amaral did ... "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose".

plus ça change

It was the UK That named him - not GA he just said a german could have been anyone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 06:38:04 PM
Don’t be ridiculous, honestly- to say that there would definitely be evidence of a child in a car or van 10+ years after she once spent a few minutes in one is the height of idiocy imo.

How long does DNA last on objects?

Scientists have estimated that under the most ideal conditions, DNA can theoretically survive for a maximum of one million years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 07:00:40 PM
Even under unfavourable conditions, DNA can be good for 100 years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48610168

Two young British privates killed in World War One have been buried more than 100 years later.

Pte Henry Wallington and Pte Frank Mead, of the 23rd (County of London) Battalion, were identified using DNA samples from relatives.

Their bodies and a body of another unidentified British soldier were found in a back garden in France when the owner dug a trench for a drainpipe.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:01:46 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 06:54:25 PM
How long does DNA last on objects?

Scientists have estimated that under the most ideal conditions, DNA can theoretically survive for a maximum of one million years.
If DNA lasts a million years then Apartment 5 A would have been teaming with hundreds, if not thousands of DNA samples.  Were they all found and eliminated?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:02:44 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 07:00:40 PM
Even under unfavourable conditions, DNA can be good for 100 years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48610168

Two young British privates killed in World War One have been buried more than 100 years later.

Pte Henry Wallington and Pte Frank Mead, of the 23rd (County of London) Battalion, were identified using DNA samples from relatives.

Their bodies and a body of another unidentified British soldier were found in a back garden in France when the owner dug a trench for a drainpipe.
Yes, it’s always quite helpful to have the body from which to extract the dna in the first place. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:05:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:02:44 PM
Yes, it’s always quite helpful to have the body from which to extract the dna in the first place. 

You are wrong to state that DNA cannot last for 10 years. Do some research before trying to ridicule my posts. How did he abduct her?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:08:10 PM
Only one study this author is aware of directly addresses the persistence of touch DNA.  Raymond et al (2009) conducted an investigation into the persistence of DNA at crime scenes.  They applied known quantities of “buffy coat” DNA (the white blood cell and platelet layer of whole blood) to gloss-painted wooden window frames, pieces of vinyl (to simulate handbags), and control samples consisting of glass microscope slides.  Not surprisingly, they found that the chance of recovering DNA from an outdoor crime scene decreases significantly over time with two weeks being the major drop-off point for most of the samples.  The control samples fared much better, with full profiles able to be developed even after six weeks (the longest time period tested).

http://ryanforensicdna.com/touchdna/

Unless Madeleine was bleeding when placed into a vehicle it is unlikely she would have left more than touch DNA and the chances of finding that in a car 10+ years later are very very very remote.  Now lets have less of the namecalling please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 07:12:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:02:44 PM
Yes, it’s always quite helpful to have the body from which to extract the dna in the first place.


Useful things, bodies - if you can find them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:13:56 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:05:56 PM
You are wrong to state that DNA cannot last for 10 years. Do some research before trying to ridicule my posts. How did he abduct her?
Can you answer my question about the hundreds if not thousands of DNA profiles that there would have to be in Apartment 5 A if DNA lasts for a million years?  Did they test every single one of the thousands of DNA present? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:15:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 07:12:57 PM

Useful things, bodies - if you can find them.
Indeed.  That is why whoever took Madeleine obviously went to extraordinary lengths to get rid of her body, assuming she is dead of course (which I do).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:08:10 PM
Only one study this author is aware of directly addresses the persistence of touch DNA.  Raymond et al (2009) conducted an investigation into the persistence of DNA at crime scenes.  They applied known quantities of “buffy coat” DNA (the white blood cell and platelet layer of whole blood) to gloss-painted wooden window frames, pieces of vinyl (to simulate handbags), and control samples consisting of glass microscope slides.  Not surprisingly, they found that the chance of recovering DNA from an outdoor crime scene decreases significantly over time with two weeks being the major drop-off point for most of the samples.  The control samples fared much better, with full profiles able to be developed even after six weeks (the longest time period tested).

http://ryanforensicdna.com/touchdna/

Unless Madeleine was bleeding when placed into a vehicle it is unlikely she would have left more than touch DNA and the chances of finding that in a car 10+ years later are very very very remote.  Now lets have less of the namecalling please.

That is an outdoor crime scene. They examined the inside of his vehicle. If she was inside as in an abduction they should have found DNA evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:16:51 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:05:56 PM
You are wrong to state that DNA cannot last for 10 years. Do some research before trying to ridicule my posts. How did he abduct her?
Are you saying that because the police weren’t able to find Madeleine’s DNA in his car from 10+ years previously that it proves she was never in his car?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:15:49 PM
That is an outdoor crime scene. They examined the inside of his vehicle. If she was inside as in an abduction they should have found DNA evidence.

Hair would be the most obvious...if the root was still attached.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 07:18:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:15:17 PM
Indeed.  That is why whoever took Madeleine obviously went to extraordinary lengths to get rid of her body, assuming she is dead of course (which I do).

I use bins every day. Doesn't take an extraordinary effort on my part.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 07:20:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:15:17 PM
Indeed.  That is why whoever took Madeleine obviously went to extraordinary lengths to get rid of her body, assuming she is dead of course (which I do).

Not necessarily, she might be fairly easy to find, provided you know where to look.
On the other hand she may have been destroyed in any number of ways, so no amount of searching would find her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:16:51 PM
Are you saying that because the police weren’t able to find Madeleine’s DNA in his car from 10+ years previously that it proves she was never in his car?

They cannot prove it and they would get rid of incriminating vehicles/evidence and especially in this case that the whole world knows and is still active! Hamilton set his vehicle on fire to destroy evidence until Eddie examined it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 06:16:41 PM
So why did Amaral talk about the jailed German paedophile to the Australian media in April of this year.
Well, IMO B to show how corrupt it all is - and it is.

Amaral, for the first time, admitted that Madeleine’s father was not involved in her disappearance. He was also adamant the suspect is not Martin Ney, but another pedophile in a German prison. Perhaps he was trying to regroup, knowing that his team at the time neglected to open-mindedly pursue leads beyond the McCann couple?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
Amaral, for the first time, admitted that Madeleine’s father was not involved in her disappearance. He was also adamant the suspect is not Martin Ney, but another pedophile in a German prison. Perhaps he was trying to regroup, knowing that his team at the time neglected to open-mindedly pursue leads beyond the McCann couple?

I must have missed that bit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 07:28:12 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
Amaral, for the first time, admitted that Madeleine’s father was not involved in her disappearance. He was also adamant the suspect is not Martin Ney, but another pedophile in a German prison. Perhaps he was trying to regroup, knowing that his team at the time neglected to open-mindedly pursue leads beyond the McCann couple?

Care to provide a cite for your first sentence ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:15:49 PM
That is an outdoor crime scene. They examined the inside of his vehicle. If she was inside as in an abduction they should have found DNA evidence.
So outside touch DNA lasts a few weeks, but inside a car it lasts a million years.  OK Professor.  Now answer my question about the thousands of DNA profiles in Apartment 5A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 10, 2020, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:13:56 PM
Can you answer my question about the hundreds if not thousands of DNA profiles that there would have to be in Apartment 5 A if DNA lasts for a million years?  Did they test every single one of the thousands of DNA present?
They tested samples taken from “stains” in areas where Keela alerted to the Presence of human blood. The exact list is documented in the PJ Files.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 07:30:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 07:28:24 PM
So outside touch DNA lasts a few weeks, but inside a car it lasts a million years.  OK Professor.  Now answer my question about the thousands of DNA profiles in Apartment 5A.

Probably because they didn't take samples from every inch of the apartment. Or in the case of the PJ every millimetre
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 07:31:10 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 10, 2020, 07:28:59 PM
They tested samples taken from “stains” in areas where Keela alerted to the Presence of human blood. The exact list is documented in the PJ Files.

They were supposed to have swabbed every square millimetre of the entire apartment.

They failed Maddie  8()(((@#
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 07:27:53 PM
I must have missed that bit.

In their dreams he said it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:35:07 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:15:49 PM
That is an outdoor crime scene. They examined the inside of his vehicle. If she was inside as in an abduction they should have found DNA evidence.
Since Brückner was dealing in cars, he could have used any vehicle available to him on the night Madeleine disappeared. It could have been the dark blue car that Arlindo EGF Peleja noticed as he arrived at the Tapas reception and found it gone when he left?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:36:08 PM
You better find it and good luck!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 07:37:06 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:35:07 PM
Since Brückner was dealing in cars, he could have used any vehicle available to him on the night Madeleine disappeared. It could have been the dark blue car that Arlindo EGF Peleja noticed as he arrived at the Tapas reception and found it gone when he left?

There was a car parked outside my house last night.

When I went out this morning it had gone.

Maybe it was abducted!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 07:40:15 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:36:08 PM
You better find it and good luck!

And then prove it was in his possession that night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 07:37:06 PM
There was a car parked outside my house last night.

When I went out this morning it had gone.

Maybe it was abducted!!
Have you read this person’s pj statement? In a period of +/- 30 minutes and within the timeframe of Madeleine’s disappearance, he might have noticed something significantly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
Have you read this person’s pj statement? In a period of +/- 30 minutes and within the timeframe of Madeleine’s disappearance, he might have noticed something significantly.

Might isn't good enough. What is needed is 'definitely did'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:48:45 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 07:28:12 PM
Care to provide a cite for your first sentence ?
‘In a bizarre twist, Mr Amaral said the suspect looks similar to Madeleine’s dad Gerry before saying that Ney bears no resemblance to him’. (Herald, 1 December 2-19)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 07:44:19 PM
Might isn't good enough. What is needed is 'definitely did'
Yes, and that is why you and I and the rest of the world have to wait until further information is released.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:53:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:35:07 PM
Since Brückner was dealing in cars, he could have used any vehicle available to him on the night Madeleine disappeared. It could have been the dark blue car that Arlindo EGF Peleja noticed as he arrived at the Tapas reception and found it gone when he left?

And do you really believe an abductor would park his vehicle next to the tapas entrance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 05:52:09 PM
Hang on,  his youth crimes were sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child and performing a sex act in front of a child, as well as burglary.  Why are some people so keen to gloss over his crimes?


 I replied to someone stating as FACT that the PJ didn't flag him up as someone with a record of violent rape.

Details of the rape only came to light in 2017 when someone stole a video tape so it was an impossibility for them to know the details. Please don't try and label someone a child abuse sympathiser for pointing out FACTS.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 07:53:42 PM
And do you really believe an abductor would park his vehicle next to the tapas entrance?

He has been described as a fantasist. So I do believe he might have parked his vehicle next to the Tapas entrance, supposedly in the same way you believe Gerry McCann carried his deceased daughter to the beach of light?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 08:05:20 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:02:17 PM
He has been described as a fantasist. So I do believe he might have parked his vehicle next to the Tapas entrance, supposedly in the same way you believe Gerry McCann carried his deceased daughter to the beach of light?

I thought the suspect was intelligent not to leave any evidence at the crime scene? You better get the village idiot in for questioning as presumably you believe that he did it!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:05:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 07:30:46 PM
Probably because they didn't take samples from every inch of the apartment. Or in the case of the PJ every millimetre
Then it’s no wonder they didn’t find any DNA evidence of the suspect in there.  Even if they took samples from every other inch they should have found hundreds of profiles if touch DNA lasts a million years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 07:37:06 PM
There was a car parked outside my house last night.

When I went out this morning it had gone.

Maybe it was abducted!!

I don’t know you and you don’t know me. Your comment is a reflection upon yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:09:30 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:02:03 PM

 I replied to someone stating as FACT that the PJ didn't flag him up as someone with a record of violent rape.

Details of the rape only came to light in 2017 when someone stole a video tape so it was an impossibility for them to know the details. Please don't try and label someone a child abuse sympathiser for pointing out FACTS.
You seem to have spectacularly missed the point.  You described him as having
“2 youth convictions for sexual activity in front of a child and a robbery”.

That is glossing over the fact that as a youth he had two convictions for CHILD ABUSE.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:10:01 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
I don’t know you and you don’t know me. Your comment is a reflection upon yourself.
it sure is, and a very poor reflection it is too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:11:27 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:48:45 PM
‘In a bizarre twist, Mr Amaral said the suspect looks similar to Madeleine’s dad Gerry before saying that Ney bears no resemblance to him’. (Herald, 1 December 2-19)

Can you really not infer any other meaning from that?
Smithman looks like Gerry according to Smith. In my opinion, Christian B also looks a bit like Matthew Oldfield.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 10, 2020, 08:12:11 PM
Breaking News: satellite photo

I have just been told that the police are aware now that the van which is shown in the satellite picture is a Renault which belonged to a neighbour’s friend and was there until August 2007.

If that is truth, then the picture says nothing about Brüeckner movements or Madeleine McCann abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 08:12:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:05:52 PM
Then it’s no wonder they didn’t find any DNA evidence of the suspect in there.  Even if they took samples from every other inch they should have found hundreds of profiles if touch DNA lasts a million years.

In which case the mix in the samples would have been too complex to interpret.
At least that was Lowe's explanation for sample found in the car
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 08:14:20 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 10, 2020, 08:12:11 PM
Breaking News: satellite photo

I have just been told that the police are aware now that the van which is shown in the satellite picture is a Renault which belonged to a neighbour’s friend and was there until August 2007.

If that is truth, then the picture says nothing about Brüeckner movements or Madeleine McCann abduction.

So Gertrude was right - she said it could be a Renault.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 10, 2020, 08:12:11 PM
Breaking News: satellite photo

I have just been told that the police are aware now that the van which is shown in the satellite picture is a Renault which belonged to a neighbour’s friend and was there until August 2007.

If that is truth, then the picture says nothing about Brüeckner movements or Madeleine McCann abduction.
Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:09:30 PM
You seem to have spectacularly missed the point.  You described him as having
“2 youth convictions for sexual activity in front of a child and a robbery”.

That is glossing over the fact that as a youth he had two convictions for CHILD ABUSE.

Oh dear, you have missed the point entirely, try reading my reply in context of who I replied to instead of deciding I am making judgements on how serious the crime was ( I have not)

 The PJ could not possibly have taken a rape into account that  WAS NOT part of his record. They did investigate him though based on the youth convictions - the record he did have - do you get it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:17:51 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 10, 2020, 08:12:11 PM
Breaking News: satellite photo

I have just been told that the police are aware now that the van which is shown in the satellite picture is a Renault which belonged to a neighbour’s friend and was there until August 2007.

If that is truth, then the picture says nothing about Brüeckner movements or Madeleine McCann abduction.

Pity the UK Tabloids have misrepresented it and sent people into a frenzy over 'facts' before they were confirmed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:19:20 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:16:38 PM
Oh dear, you have missed the point entirely, try reading my reply in context of who I replied to instead of deciding I am making judgements on how serious the crime was ( I have not)

 The PJ could not possibly have taken a rape into account that  WAS NOT part of his record. They did investigate him though based on the youth convictions - the record he did have - do you get it?
Once again you have missed the point, I will try for a third and last time.  You described his crimes as
2 youth convictions for sexual activity in front of a child and a robbery.

Where was the mention of the convictions for child abuse and attempted child abuse, which he also had as a youth?  Why did you leave them out of your description of his crimes?  Over to you to explain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 10, 2020, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 08:14:20 PM
So Gertrude was right - she said it could be a Renault.
Destroying my own theories is a step forward to the truth for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 10, 2020, 08:20:31 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:17:51 PM
Pity the UK Tabloids have misrepresented it and sent people into a frenzy over 'facts' before they were confirmed.

Who told the Tabloids - they must  have got it from somewhere. Not reading this forum are they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 08:24:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:48:45 PM
‘In a bizarre twist, Mr Amaral said the suspect looks similar to Madeleine’s dad Gerry before saying that Ney bears no resemblance to him’. (Herald, 1 December 2-19)

Could we have the comment in its full context please ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:11:27 PM
Can you really not infer any other meaning from that?
Smithman looks like Gerry according to Smith. In my opinion, Christian B also looks a bit like Matthew Oldfield.
Best you watch the relevant information. Google is one’s best friend.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:28:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:19:20 PM
Once again you have missed the point, I will try for a third and last time.  You described his crimes as
2 youth convictions for sexual activity in front of a child and a robbery.

Where was the mention of the convictions for child abuse and attempted child abuse, which he also had as a youth?  Why did you leave them out of your description of his crimes?  Over to you to explain.

I left 1 count of the child abuse out from 1994( accidentally because I'm shite at maths) so it's actually 3 counts of that and 1 of robbery. You can see that as some kind of paedophile apologist attempt by leaving 1 count out if you really want to( jeebus wept!).... but maths is not my strong point.

 It makes no odds. I was not quibbling about each count of crime from 1994 I was saying the rape was not recorded in 2007
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:27:07 PM
Best you watch the relevant information. Google is one’s best friend.

I was referring to what you quoted not something you haven't linked to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:47:11 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 10, 2020, 08:19:54 PM
Destroying my own theories is a step forward to the truth for me.
Heri your research, analysis and findings over many years can only be described as invaluable. I still believe your theory is the correct one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:48:12 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:28:44 PM
I left 1 count of the child abuse out from 1994( accidentally because I'm shite at maths) so it's actually 3 counts of that and 1 of robbery. You can see that as some kind of paedophile apologist attempt by leaving 1 count out if you really want to( jeebus wept!).... but maths is not my strong point.

 It makes no odds. I was not quibbling about each count of crime from 1994 I was saying the rape was not recorded in 2007
Maths has got nothing to do with it, it’s the fact that you downplayed his crimes by omitting completely to mentionthe fact that he had been found guilty of child abuse.  You’re not the only sceptic on here to do so either.  God knows why, but there we are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 08:24:16 PM
Could we have the comment in its full context please ?
Be brave, and go look for yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:48:12 PM
Maths has got nothing to do with it, it’s the fact that you downplayed his crimes by omitting completely to mentionthe fact that he had been found guilty of child abuse.  You’re not the only sceptic on here to do so either.  God knows why, but there we are.

Amaral said a year ago that the German was investigated and nothing was found to suggest he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance. The pedo suspect files were not allowed to be released.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 09:10:04 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
Have you read this person’s pj statement? In a period of +/- 30 minutes and within the timeframe of Madeleine’s disappearance, he might have noticed something significantly.
It was reckoned Tanner did to,until Redwood sorted it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 09:14:53 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:17:51 PM
Pity the UK Tabloids have misrepresented it and sent people into a frenzy over 'facts' before they were confirmed.
They very rarely let the truth get in the way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 10, 2020, 08:19:54 PM
Destroying my own theories is a step forward to the truth for me.
8((()*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2020, 09:10:04 PM
It was reckoned Tanner did to,until Redwood sorted it.

And that sighting should have been cleared in 2007 when LP received Totman's Questionnaire!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 08:48:12 PM
Maths has got nothing to do with it, it’s the fact that you downplayed his crimes by omitting completely to mentionthe fact that he had been found guilty of child abuse.  You’re not the only sceptic on here to do so either.  God knows why, but there we are.

I mentioned 'sexual activity in front of a child'. Up to you if you don't think that's child abuse. You are quibbling semantics for some reason as you are determined to label me a child abuse sympathiser.
   I also described the robbery charge incorrectly it was apparently burglary according to some sources, so crack on with your agenda of implying that was a nefarious attempt at deception too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2020, 09:22:54 PM
Smithman is the key always has been,he was carrying a child according to Redwood in similar appearance to Madeleine,no one has described this German as appearing to look like old smithy nor one of the other multitude of alleged suspicious bods or maybe bots.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 09:50:27 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 09:19:57 PM
I mentioned 'sexual activity in front of a child'. Up to you if you don't think that's child abuse. You are quibbling semantics for some reason as you are determined to label me a child abuse sympathiser.
   I also described the robbery charge incorrectly it was apparently burglary according to some sources, so crack on with your agenda of implying that was a nefarious attempt at deception too.
Can you supply a cite or me accusing you of being a child abuse sympathiser?  Downplaying his crimes for some reason yes, but not of sympathising with child abuse.  You seem to have a problem understanding my posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 10, 2020, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 10, 2020, 08:20:31 PM
Who told the Tabloids - they must  have got it from somewhere. Not reading this forum are they?

It's not the first time Heriberto's theories have ended up in the media, is it? Last time it was all about a disappearing woman who hadn't disappeared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
Be brave, and go look for yourself.

You posted the claim...it is forum etiquette that you supply the evidence that underpins your claim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 11:08:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 10, 2020, 10:10:22 PM
It's not the first time Heriberto's theories have ended up in the media, is it? Last time it was all about a disappearing woman who hadn't disappeared.

Ah yes I’d forgotten about that.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/criminologist-identifies-mysterious-woman-purple-11549497
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 11:10:59 PM
Some good news for the sceptics to relish, according to tomorrow’s Telegraph the Portuguese police “still suspect the McCanns of murder”

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/wSZ2qiJaigxqXZcWBleAmA/https/media.fyre.co/ZRiUe1GvQxqQ9S6Fs2Bv_tel-front-110620_1591822300_001.png
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 10, 2020, 11:26:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 11:10:59 PM
Some good news for the sceptics to relish, according to tomorrow’s Telegraph the Portuguese police “still suspect the McCanns of murder”

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/wSZ2qiJaigxqXZcWBleAmA/https/media.fyre.co/ZRiUe1GvQxqQ9S6Fs2Bv_tel-front-110620_1591822300_001.png

I'm sure we've repeatedly been assured that the PJ and OG were working together with the same aims. Does that mean we haven't properly understood OG's thoughts either?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 10, 2020, 11:26:21 PM
I'm sure we've repeatedly been assured that the PJ and OG were working together with the same aims. Does that mean we haven't properly understood OG's thoughts either?

Fortunately this can’t be blamed on Amaral.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 10, 2020, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 12:38:49 PM
but that's a 2nd hand account isn't? Hearsay from a friend who has sold a story to the Sun. It would be very easy to make up such a story.

Nothing second hand about that Gertrude.

I did  3-4 years solid research, investigating for well over a hundred hours a week and spending several thousand pounds of our own money travelling to places of interest to see for myself, rather than second hand … and boyo! did I ever find things of interest.   
I developed an unusual method of research, used to some extent by lots of people now and passed my massive collection of totally original research info on to OG, visiting Belgravia Police Station, I think 5 times.  I still have more info, but unfortunately a string of serious illnesses have prevented me passing it on.   I have no energy any more.

Because these facts have gone to OG and been acknowledged in the Madeleine Crimewatch program, I feel that I cannot share them.  Seems that they are part of the OG investigation now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2020, 11:53:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 10, 2020, 11:26:21 PM
I'm sure we've repeatedly been assured that the PJ and OG were working together with the same aims. Does that mean we haven't properly understood OG's thoughts either?
Nah, I think it means that the PJ have been begrudging and barely co-operative throughout the process and are absolutely terrified that they’re going to come out of this looking even more incompetent than they already do.  Sadly for them, it’s not looking too promising.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 10, 2020, 11:53:50 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 12:42:59 PM
2012 video of Madeleine? Please share it.

No, I can't.  It is with OG.

And surprise, surprise, since mentioning it on the forum, it has been wiped off the internet.   But I have hard copies, as do some close friends to whom I gave a copy as safe keeping before it went to OG

At times, I think that you could almost solve this case by looking at the facts, images etc that have been altered , or removed off the internet
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 10, 2020, 11:55:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
Do a Search on this Forum.

Soz Eleanor, but the video has never been posted here.  It is with OG.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 10, 2020, 11:57:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2020, 09:22:54 PM
Smithman is the key always has been,he was carrying a child according to Redwood in similar appearance to Madeleine,no one has described this German as appearing to look like old smithy nor one of the other multitude of alleged suspicious bods or maybe bots.

I became very interested in the fact that for a long time, imo, the Smith sighting was ignored or downplayed by Mitchell. I also believe it to be a key element in finding (out what happened to) MM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 12:06:51 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 11:10:59 PM
Some good news for the sceptics to relish, according to tomorrow’s Telegraph the Portuguese police “still suspect the McCanns of murder”

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/wSZ2qiJaigxqXZcWBleAmA/https/media.fyre.co/ZRiUe1GvQxqQ9S6Fs2Bv_tel-front-110620_1591822300_001.png

Shocking NOT! Biggest non-secret of all time. They have never been cleared as Portugal said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 11, 2020, 12:07:20 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 10, 2020, 11:57:29 PM
I became very interested in the fact that for a long time, imo, the Smith sighting was ignored or downplayed by Mitchell. I also believe it to be a key element in finding (out what happened to) MM.

Martin Smith seems pretty sure he saw Madeleine's abductor & it wasn't CB. You have to wonder why, given that he couldn't identify Madeleine as the child being carried.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 12:09:40 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2020, 12:48:06 PM
Oh she can't share it, or any of the multitude of pointers that she has, but her blue folder has been on Crimewatch & she's been to Belgravia twice & they were very interested.

The Two folders are Lavender/Lilac coloured and that is the colour that they showed when originally the Crimewatch program was released on the TV and on Youtube.

Since then they have had their Lavender colour changed to blues and aquamarine colours.

The top shelves of the massive bookcase in the investigation room have been wiped from the video. 
My main folder was in the middle of the top shelf of that bookcase, but now it has vanished cos the shelves have completely gone from the Youtube video.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 11, 2020, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 11:53:38 PM
Nah, I think it means that the PJ have been begrudging and barely co-operative throughout the process and are absolutely terrified that they’re going to come out of this looking even more incompetent than they already do.  Sadly for them, it’s not looking too promising.

Let's just hope they don't come up with some excuse for not forensically checking CB's known habitats on the Algarve. The lack of press reports about police with dogs & diggers being deployed is a concern.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 01:12:23 PM
There was.

Soz, Elli, but it never was shown here.  I probably showed it to you when I visited you in France
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 12:06:51 AM
Shocking NOT! Biggest non-secret of all time. They have never been cleared as Portugal said.

It is worth remembering that Portugal have primacy in this crime.

I wonder why they are still convinced that the parents are guilty ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 12:15:15 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
Anymore rude remarks about Sadie will be Deleted.

Thanks Elli, but don't worry, I have grown a hard shell.

And it just shows their ignorance and closed minds
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 12:16:05 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 12:13:35 AM
It is worth remembering that Portugal have primacy in this crime.

I wonder why they are still convinced that the parents are guilty ?

Unreliable dogs according to VS   8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
The only sense I can make from all this is - its a brainwashing tactic that they have got there man

Not a very desirable one either so no one will care if he did it or not - he is going to be a scapegoat

It seems to me it is all being played out on another theatrical stage.

Another thing started in the middle - have they searched any of the ground/s where he stayed or lived ect ect


but we know what the ending will be they know it's him but not enough evidence to charge.

We have been told from invisible sources he did it he is the abductor - so that's the end of that.

Case closed we have our man - no closure/ justice of what really happened that night to Madie Mccann.

THE END......my post is my opinion on all this circus being played out

I see this from the opposite direction to you.  surprise, surprise!

He is a horrible person, but I think that he could be the 'fall guy' for the powerful person who commissioned him (and his small group) to abduct Madeleine.   I doubt very much that Madeleine has ever been left alone with him, or in his van, or car.  I believe that Madeleine was whooshed straight up to Porto (VN de Gaia) before being taken elsewhere, not so far away, and kept in an orphan boys home there!!

And I believe that I know at least two other countries with more exact pinpointed places where Madeleine has been kept.  And that is all that I can say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 12:31:35 AM
Quote from: misty on June 11, 2020, 12:07:20 AM
Martin Smith seems pretty sure he saw Madeleine's abductor & it wasn't CB. You have to wonder why, given that he couldn't identify Madeleine as the child being carried.

His first statement was reported thus: "Having already seen various photographs of MADELEINE and televised images, states that the child who was carried by the individual could have been her. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, also the opinion shared by his family."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 11, 2020, 12:57:31 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 12:31:35 AM
His first statement was reported thus: "Having already seen various photographs of MADELEINE and televised images, states that the child who was carried by the individual could have been her. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, also the opinion shared by his family."

That opinion was shared by thousands of people who saw a child resembling Madeleine in the days following her disappearance - people who saw a little girl's face, sometimes complete with an eye defect. The Smith family statements would have more credence if they were certain they'd seen Madeleine being carried by an unknown man....but they didn't see the child's face nor would they recognise the man again. The sttements clealy weren't important enough for the PJ to investigate further as a priority between May & September 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 12:59:40 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 12:31:35 AM
His first statement was reported thus: "Having already seen various photographs of MADELEINE and televised images, states that the child who was carried by the individual could have been her. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, also the opinion shared by his family."

The Smiths saw MM in a deep sleep! Smithman will never come forward - he's had 13 years. His time is up! No record of him at the night creche. Everything points to him so must be the final lead that they have been trying to keep secret until the Germans butt in LOL.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2020, 01:03:55 AM
Quote from: misty on June 11, 2020, 12:57:31 AM
That opinion was shared by thousands of people who saw a child resembling Madeleine in the days following her disappearance - people who saw a little girl's face, sometimes complete with an eye defect. The Smith family statements would have more credence if they were certain they'd seen Madeleine being carried by an unknown man....but they didn't see the child's face nor would they recognise the man again. The sttements clealy weren't important enough for the PJ to investigate further as a priority between May & September 2007.
Important enough to turn attention to Smithman from Tannerman by Redwood the DCI back when the revelation moment happened,matching the description close to that of Madeline McCann or words to that effect .Only one child unaccounted for that night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: misty on June 11, 2020, 12:57:31 AM
That opinion was shared by thousands of people who saw a child resembling Madeleine in the days following her disappearance - people who saw a little girl's face, sometimes complete with an eye defect. The Smith family statements would have more credence if they were certain they'd seen Madeleine being carried by an unknown man....but they didn't see the child's face nor would they recognise the man again. The sttements clealy weren't important enough for the PJ to investigate further as a priority between May & September 2007.

Amaral brought Martin Smith and some of his family back to PDL for a reconstruction of the meeting. It’s slightly disingenuous to say that they didn’t investigate further.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 11, 2020, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 01:04:55 AM
Amaral brought Martin Smith and some of his family back to PDL for a reconstruction of the meeting. It’s slightly disingenuous to say that they didn’t investigate further.

What was so important about the Smith sighting that the family had to do a reconstruction of more importance than one by the T9? Furthermore, what did PJ actually do about the sighting following the Smiths' reconstruction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 01:10:08 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 12:59:40 AM
The Smiths saw MM in a deep sleep! Smithman will never come forward - he's had 13 years. His time is up! No record of him at the night creche. Everything points to him!

Why have the Policia Judiciaria never bothered to publicise the smith sighting at any time?  could it be they never set much store by it since Amaral sat on it between their visit in May and September, months later?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 11, 2020, 01:17:14 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 11, 2020, 01:03:55 AM
Important enough to turn attention to Smithman from Tannerman by Redwood the DCI back when the revelation moment happened,matching the description close to that of Madeline McCann or words to that effect .Only one child unaccounted for that night.

I must have missed Redwood supplying the public with a description of the clothing Smithman was wearing that night, such was the importance of identifying the man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 02:08:24 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2020, 06:04:44 PM
I agree it wasn't just a guess.  Now we just have to work out in whose interest it is (according to German law that when a suspect is named he is entitled to see all the files in the case against him) for a person being investigated re Madeleine McCann to have large hints made to the media about who he is.

So why did Amaral talk about the jailed German paedophile to the Australian media in April of this year.


*%6^

Interesting, Brie.  Now I wont be able to go to sleep, thinking about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 02:11:37 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 10, 2020, 06:16:41 PM
So why did Amaral talk about the jailed German paedophile to the Australian media in April of this year.



Well, IMO B to show how corrupt it all is - and it is.

Nah, I don't think so.

Something else is tugging at my brain  *%6^
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 02:13:19 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2020, 06:17:10 PM
How did he abduct her? No evidence of Madeleine in his vehicles.  Smithman was heading towards the beach and not in the direction of his property.

I suggest that you try and do some lateral thinking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 02:39:43 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 10, 2020, 07:28:12 PM
Care to provide a cite for your first sentence ?
Whether Anthro can find the cite , or not, most of us will have seen it.  I certainly have

Amaral saying that Gerry was not involved after all.

After all that he has said before, that took a lot of saying for Amaral. 

I wonder why he said it?  *%6^

Then?



How intriguing   $65*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 02:45:23 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:02:03 PM

 I replied to someone stating as FACT that the PJ didn't flag him up as someone with a record of violent rape.

Details of the rape only came to light in 2017 when someone stole a video tape so it was an impossibility for them to know the details. Please don't try and label someone a child abuse sympathiser for pointing out FACTS.

You don't think that Amaral was covering up for CB, do you Gertrude?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 02:49:05 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 10, 2020, 08:11:27 PM
Can you really not infer any other meaning from that?
Smithman looks like Gerry according to Smith. In my opinion, Christian B also looks a bit like Matthew Oldfield.

ORLY ?

They are both tall and thin, I suppose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 06:58:44 AM
Quote from: sadie on June 11, 2020, 02:39:43 AM
Whether Anthro can find the cite , or not, most of us will have seen it.  I certainly have

Amaral saying that Gerry was not involved after all.

After all that he has said before, that took a lot of saying for Amaral. 

I wonder why he said it?  *%6^

Then?



How intriguing   $65*
He seemed to rule GM because of the given timelines. But he wanted a reconstruction because, imo, he suspected the timelines given by the T7 were not an accurate reflection of the reality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 07:29:06 AM
Can’t find the Telegraph story but it seems to be bases on nothing more than this.  No mention of murder in the quote either:

Mr Wolters, the state prosecutor in Braunschweig said: 'Working together with authorities in south European countries is generally more time-consuming.

‘They take a long time for everything and the French or British police are faster.

'We do stay in contact with the colleagues in Portugal, but everything is more cumbersome.

'I think the Portuguese officials still think that Maddie's parents are responsible for her disappearance.' 

from the Daily Mail. 

Basically a moan about how crap the PJ are, which is probably fair comment.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 11, 2020, 07:42:22 AM
Quote from: sadie on June 11, 2020, 12:09:40 AM
The Two folders are Lavender/Lilac coloured and that is the colour that they showed when originally the Crimewatch program was released on the TV and on Youtube.

Since then they have had their Lavender colour changed to blues and aquamarine colours.

The top shelves of the massive bookcase in the investigation room have been wiped from the video. 
My main folder was in the middle of the top shelf of that bookcase, but now it has vanished cos the shelves have completely gone from the Youtube video.
ORLY!  No they haven't... stop making up stories.

Oh look, I spy a blue/lavender/lilac/aquamarine folder on that OG shrine... https://youtu.be/_XsELyob8AI?t=186 (https://youtu.be/_XsELyob8AI?t=186)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 08:24:58 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 06:58:44 AM
He seemed to rule GM because of the given timelines. But he wanted a reconstruction because, imo, he suspected the timelines given by the T7 were not an accurate reflection of the reality.

I was under the impression that the thought of a reconstitution never entered Amaral's head except to veto one in the early days when it would be of value.

Rebelo tried to organise a reconstruction to which Kate and Gerry had agreed but which ... starting with the independent witness, other witnesses had concerns not the least of which was that they had been told not to bring their children.  They just did not trust the Portuguese police by that stage.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 11, 2020, 08:36:16 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 07:29:06 AM
Can’t find the Telegraph story but it seems to be bases on nothing more than this.  No mention of murder in the quote either:

Mr Wolters, the state prosecutor in Braunschweig said: 'Working together with authorities in south European countries is generally more time-consuming.

‘They take a long time for everything and the French or British police are faster.

'We do stay in contact with the colleagues in Portugal, but everything is more cumbersome.

'I think the Portuguese officials still think that Maddie's parents are responsible for her disappearance.' 

from the Daily Mail. 

Basically a moan about how crap the PJ are, which is probably fair comment.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/11/madeleine-mccann-case-police-portugal-remain-convinced-parents/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/11/madeleine-mccann-case-police-portugal-remain-convinced-parents/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 08:52:08 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11834024/scrap-of-material-held-in-portuguese-lab-could-prove-link-between-madeleine-mccann-and-prime-suspect-christian-b/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 08:52:08 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11834024/scrap-of-material-held-in-portuguese-lab-could-prove-link-between-madeleine-mccann-and-prime-suspect-christian-b/

I think that has already been identifies as having been contributed by Charlie Gordon.

Snip
I conclude further that, the DNA profiles obtained from the 'crime stain 1' and 286A/2007/CRL9A & B coincide with Charlie Gordon (bar code 51156964). I believe that Charlie Gordon was born on 29 January 2005, and if this is the case, in my opinion, the DNA profile obtained in 'crime stain 1' is not the result of semen found on the blanket.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 11, 2020, 09:22:05 AM
Quote from: sadie on June 10, 2020, 12:28:11 PM
My thoughts exactly, but I doubt that he handled her himself because of his disgusting urges.  He was the leader of the group IMO … and IMO was paid handsomely and /or blackmailed and threatened into doing it.

….But I freely admit that I do not know for certain.

However I have seen a video which I believe was showing Madeleine in 2012.   I also have many times the pointers to the elite man I suspect as having ordered Madeleine, to those of the German Police have about CB



No need to put my tin hat on, because I will just be ignored.  After all, ignoring a post is the best way to make sure it isn't remembered.  8)-)))

We've heard all this nonsense before, pictures and videos of Maddie and all false identifications. Maddie is long dead Sadie and the sooner you accept that the better for you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 11, 2020, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 08:24:58 AM
I was under the impression that the thought of a reconstitution never entered Amaral's head except to veto one in the early days when it would be of value.

Rebelo tried to organise a reconstruction to which Kate and Gerry had agreed but which ... starting with the independent witness, other witnesses had concerns not the least of which was that they had been told not to bring their children.  They just did not trust the Portuguese police by that stage.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Those with most to hide have most to fear from any police investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 11, 2020, 09:31:41 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 11, 2020, 09:25:27 AM
Those with most to hide have most to fear from any police investigation.
Whilst that may be true there are miscarriages of justice so even the innocent are at risk . We have just seen a man killed by the police in the US remember.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 09:50:24 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 01:10:08 AM
Why have the Policia Judiciaria never bothered to publicise the smith sighting at any time?  could it be they never set much store by it since Amaral sat on it between their visit in May and September, months later?

Probably because they know who he is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 09:20:21 AM
I think that has already been identifies as having been contributed by Charlie Gordon.

Snip
I conclude further that, the DNA profiles obtained from the 'crime stain 1' and 286A/2007/CRL9A & B coincide with Charlie Gordon (bar code 51156964). I believe that Charlie Gordon was born on 29 January 2005, and if this is the case, in my opinion, the DNA profile obtained in 'crime stain 1' is not the result of semen found on the blanket.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm
Thank you, Brietta. Do you know anything about this part? A TINY SCRAP of blue material held in the vaults of a Portuguese forensic lab could provide the vital link between German suspect Christian B and Madeleine McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 09:58:52 AM
Quote from: misty on June 11, 2020, 01:08:19 AM
What was so important about the Smith sighting that the family had to do a reconstruction of more importance than one by the T9? Furthermore, what did PJ actually do about the sighting following the Smiths' reconstruction?

So you agree that the PJ did investigate further ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 10:06:35 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 08:24:58 AM
I was under the impression that the thought of a reconstitution never entered Amaral's head except to veto one in the early days when it would be of value.

Rebelo tried to organise a reconstruction to which Kate and Gerry had agreed but which ... starting with the independent witness, other witnesses had concerns not the least of which was that they had been told not to bring their children.  They just did not trust the Portuguese police by that stage.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Holmes may have done their reconstruction and concluded they are unreliable and not the dogs in this case . Nobody seeing Jane, Gerry allegedly watching football after Matt had just checked that apartment. There was no reason for Gerry to be there just after that check apart from a weak bladder but maybe Holmes concluded that he was doing something else to reconcile unaccounted time ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 10:07:40 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 09:58:22 AM
Thank you, Brietta. Do you know anything about this part? A TINY SCRAP of blue material held in the vaults of a Portuguese forensic lab could provide the vital link between German suspect Christian B and Madeleine McCann.

I’m still waiting for the full context of the Amaral quote.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 11, 2020, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2020, 09:50:27 PM
Can you supply a cite or me accusing you of being a child abuse sympathiser?  Downplaying his crimes for some reason yes, but not of sympathising with child abuse.  You seem to have a problem understanding my posts.

You said I was 'glossing over his crimes' (specifically the child sex ones.) which generally means to whitewash.   I think you know what game you are playing and I'll leave it at that.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 10:38:54 AM
Portuguese daily Jornal de Noticas reported today that Madeleine McCann suspect Brueckner has already been ruled out of the unsolved sex crime, which happened in Praia da Rocha a half-hour drive east of Praia da Luz where the young British girl vanished.

The newspaper said: 'Jornal de Noticias has learnt that the idea it was Brueckner was considered when he became a suspect in the Maddie case. Unsolved crimes, like those of Hazel's, were revisited and the investigators concluded he was not the author [responsible].'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8405283/Police-ruled-Christian-Brueckner-suspect-rape-Irish-holiday-rep.html?ito=social-facebook
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 11, 2020, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: sadie on June 11, 2020, 02:45:23 AM
You don't think that Amaral was covering up for CB, do you Gertrude?

No, why would I?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 11, 2020, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 09:58:22 AM
Thank you, Brietta. Do you know anything about this part? A TINY SCRAP of blue material held in the vaults of a Portuguese forensic lab could provide the vital link between German suspect Christian B and Madeleine McCann.

The material was taken from the bedspread on 4th May by the team from from the Police Science Laboratory because there was a slightly positive reaction to a semen test.

It was taken from the bed under the window, not from Madeleine's bed as the Sun claimed. It was sent to the Lisbon Office of the National Institute of Legal Medicine.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

In early August various samples were sent from Lisbon to the FSS. They must have included the piece of bedspread because, as already mentioned, it was the FSS which decided it wasn't semen, it was saliva belonging to a small boy who stayed in 5A before the McCanns did.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

Whether the sample was returned to Portugal I don't know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 10:56:33 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2020, 10:55:10 AM
The material was taken from the bedspread on 4th May by the team from from the Police Science Laboratory because there was a slightly positive reaction to a semen test.

It was taken from the bed under the window, not from Madeleine's bed as the Sun claimed. It was sent to the Lisbon Office of the National Institute of Legal Medicine.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

In early August various samples were sent from Lisbon to the FSS. They must have included the piece of bedspread because, as already mentioned, it was the FSS which decided it wasn't semen, it was saliva belonging to a small boy who stayed in 5A before the McCanns did.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

Whether the sample was returned to Portugal I don't know.
Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 10:56:33 AM
Thank you.

Here’s the article your quote, in context, came from. Save you looking.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/former-portuguese-police-chief-goncalo-amaral-says-madeleine-mccann-suspect-is-in-german-prison/news-story/13992e3c9cc61ef835a2d95a7f5a7025
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 11, 2020, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
Here’s the article your quote, in context, came from. Save you looking.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/former-portuguese-police-chief-goncalo-amaral-says-madeleine-mccann-suspect-is-in-german-prison/news-story/13992e3c9cc61ef835a2d95a7f5a7025

Interesting. If the German was ruled out in 2008 then it wasn't Amaral who decided it wasn't him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 08:24:58 AM
I was under the impression that the thought of a reconstitution never entered Amaral's head except to veto one in the early days when it would be of value.

Rebelo tried to organise a reconstruction to which Kate and Gerry had agreed but which ... starting with the independent witness, other witnesses had concerns not the least of which was that they had been told not to bring their children.  They just did not trust the Portuguese police by that stage.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

No that’s not correct. I think it’s his book but maybe the files where he states he wanted Smith to return to Portugal to answer further questions and for a reconstruction of the T7 timeline. I’ll try to find the quote.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 10, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
Amaral, for the first time, admitted that Madeleine’s father was not involved in her disappearance. He was also adamant the suspect is not Martin Ney, but another pedophile in a German prison. Perhaps he was trying to regroup, knowing that his team at the time neglected to open-mindedly pursue leads beyond the McCann couple?

Amaral, for the first time, admitted that Madeleine’s father was not involved in her disappearance.

No, he didn't
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 12:03:50 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Amaral, for the first time, admitted that Madeleine’s father was not involved in her disappearance.

No, he didn't

Of course he didn’t.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 11, 2020, 12:09:58 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 12:03:50 PM
Of course he didn’t.

I don't think he did either... I think he made a sarcastic comment... Smithman looked like Gerry McCann.. That's not saying it wasn,'t him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 11:35:24 AM
Yes, the weak bladder - busting to go yet took the long way round.

Yes I wonder what Holmes concluded there  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 12:28:58 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
Here’s the article your quote, in context, came from. Save you looking.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/former-portuguese-police-chief-goncalo-amaral-says-madeleine-mccann-suspect-is-in-german-prison/news-story/13992e3c9cc61ef835a2d95a7f5a7025
Please refer to post #1612.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 12:47:35 PM
Back on topic please ... New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.  Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 11, 2020, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 09:20:21 AM
I think that has already been identifies as having been contributed by Charlie Gordon.

Snip
I conclude further that, the DNA profiles obtained from the 'crime stain 1' and 286A/2007/CRL9A & B coincide with Charlie Gordon (bar code 51156964). I believe that Charlie Gordon was born on 29 January 2005, and if this is the case, in my opinion, the DNA profile obtained in 'crime stain 1' is not the result of semen found on the blanket.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm
So it wasn't Charlie Gordon!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 11, 2020, 02:23:37 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 11, 2020, 01:50:48 PM
So it wasn't Charlie Gordon!

It seems that the Portuguese laboratory got unidentified DNA from the spot on the bedspread;

Autosomic STRs:

- were obtained from:

...the small spot on the piece of cloth (recovered from the bedspread of the bed next to the window in the children's bedroom Env.5).

...With respect to autosomic STRs the male genetic profile identified from the spot on the cloth fragment (bedspread of the bed next to window in the children's bedroom- Env 5) did not match any profile from the reference samples.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 11, 2020, 02:39:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2020, 02:23:37 PM
It seems that the Portuguese laboratory got unidentified DNA from the spot on the bedspread;

Autosomic STRs:

- were obtained from:

...the small spot on the piece of cloth (recovered from the bedspread of the bed next to the window in the children's bedroom Env.5).

...With respect to autosomic STRs the male genetic profile identified from the spot on the cloth fragment (bedspread of the bed next to window in the children's bedroom- Env 5) did not match any profile from the reference samples.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

If Germany have suspected Bruckner for 7 years surely they must have retested these samples by now?
   If that one matched it would be game over for him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 02:56:14 PM
Even without retesting, they could run his profile against them to see if there is a match.
I can't believe they haven't done this.
 A non match doesn't exclude him, just isn't of any use.

Having recently done an Ancestry type DNA test, I find I have thousands of matches, many of them so tenuous as to be meaningless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 03:15:52 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-british-ex-22171603
I wonder if Belgium has re-opened the case of Carola Titze because Brückner’s ex-girlfriend said that he once told her that he was dating a girl while on holiday with the name of Carol?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 11, 2020, 03:19:01 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 02:56:14 PM
Even without retesting, they could run his profile against them to see if there is a match.
I can't believe they haven't done this.
 A non match doesn't exclude him, just isn't of any use.

Having recently done an Ancestry type DNA test, I find I have thousands of matches, many of them so tenuous as to be meaningless.

Yes Jassi, that's what I meant. re-run the profile obtained.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2020, 03:33:53 PM
They have evidence so he's a suspect but they cant question him because they dont have evidence What?

Brueckner has not been charged over Madeleine's disappearance in 2007 and cannot be held for it. Prosecutors admitted they didn't have enough evidence to question him

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8406797/amp/Madeleine-suspect-centre-legal-row-blunders-freed-jail-two-years-ago.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 11, 2020, 03:33:53 PM
They have evidence so he's a suspect but they cant question him because they dont have evidence What?

Brueckner has not been charged over Madeleine's disappearance in 2007 and cannot be held for it. Prosecutors admitted they didn't have enough evidence to question him

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8406797/amp/Madeleine-suspect-centre-legal-row-blunders-freed-jail-two-years-ago.html

I dare say it has lost something in translation, but I'm assuming he has rights similar to a free man and cannot be questioned without sufficient evidence to meet certain criteria.
Perhaps similar to arrest under suspicion in UK, where police can only hold & question for a certain length of time.

All very confused and that's just me  8)-)))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2020, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
I dare say it has lost something in translation, but I'm assuming he has rights similar to a free man and cannot be questioned without sufficient evidence to meet certain criteria.
Perhaps similar to arrest under suspicion in UK, where police can only hold & question for a certain length of time.

All very confused and that's just me  8)-)))

Each passing day the link to Madeleine is even more tenuous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 03:53:12 PM
What I think is very concerning is - who is behind this avalanche of fake news.

When at the moment it all stems from hearsay at a bar.

IMO someone+ is desperate to blame someone, anyone - apart from the obvious ones.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 03:56:53 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 03:15:52 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-british-ex-22171603
I wonder if Belgium has re-opened the case of Carola Titze because Brückner’s ex-girlfriend said that he once told her that he was dating a girl while on holiday with the name of Carol?

Why on earth would they re-open a case again on hearsay from an ex?

The first name at that - a very common first name at that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 04:04:06 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 03:56:53 PM
Why on earth would they re-open a case again on hearsay from an ex?

The first name at that - a very common first name at that.

Because that’s how desperate the need to convict this man has become.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 04:04:14 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 11, 2020, 10:36:24 AM
You said I was 'glossing over his crimes' (specifically the child sex ones.) which generally means to whitewash.   I think you know what game you are playing and I'll leave it at that.
Yes, I’d agree you were trying to whitewash over his crimes.  I didn’t however accuse you of sympathising with a child abuser. I really don’t know why some of you sceptics are keen to downplay the seriousness of this man’s past crimes, I’m certainly not the one playing games here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 04:11:07 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 04:04:06 PM
Because that’s how desperate the need to convict this man has become.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8410379/Belgium-REOPENS-1996-murder-case-possibly-linked-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 04:30:53 PM
https://www.barrons.com/news/belgium-reopens-cold-case-on-possible-link-to-madeleine-mccann-suspect-01591872308
rape.

"The description (of Christian B., now 43) fits," Gevaert told Belgian newspaper De Standaard.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 04:04:14 PM
Yes, I’d agree you were trying to whitewash over his crimes.  I didn’t however accuse you of sympathising with a child abuser. I really don’t know why some of you sceptics are keen to downplay the seriousness of this man’s past crimes, I’m certainly not the one playing games here.

I really don’t know why some of you sceptics are keen to downplay the seriousness of this man’s past

Well if your post isn't playing games - what is

I can't see anyone downplaying what a nasty piece of work he is,

The press is doing a good job of how vile he is - But if they are not careful he could be doing what the mccs did.

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 04:36:36 PM
Two things of interest in this article
1) The Germans categorically don’t think the McCanns had anything to do with the disappearance
2) Brückner’s lawyer resigned from the case and has been replaced by a “top” lawyer.  Has the Fund for this man’s defence team already reached a million thanks to Spam and his pals’ efforts?

Madeleine McCann murder case: counselling for suspect Christian Brückner
Madeleine McCann was abducted in May 2007
Madeleine McCann was abducted in May 2007
KATE MCCANN/PA
The convicted paedophile suspected of murdering Madeleine McCann is receiving counselling in prison while he is held in isolation to prevent other inmates attacking him.

Christian Brückner, who is serving a 21-month sentence for drug trafficking in Kiel, northern Germany, is being investigated over Madeleine’s abduction in May 2007.

Claus Christian Claussen, the justice minister of the northern state of Schleswig-Holstein, told a parliamentary hearing yesterday that Brückner, 43, has been placed in isolation so he can be “monitored more closely”. He was being protected, Mr Claussen added, to prevent “assaults by fellow prisoners” and was being given counselling during a “special psychological situation”.

While investigators continued to search for new leads yesterday, a senior German prosecutor suggested that officials in Portugal still believed Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were responsible for her disappearance.

Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor leading the investigation, said: “I think the Portuguese officials still think that Maddie’s parents are responsible for her disappearance.


“From our perspective, the suspect is in jail in Germany right now. And this is not the case for Maddie’s parents. We think that the parents don’t have anything to do with it. We are convinced that our 43-year-old suspect is the murderer of Maddie McCann.”

He appeared to criticise the Portuguese authorities by describing working relations as “more cumbersome” than those with Scotland Yard and said not all evidence is shared between the countries. “Working together with the authorities in south European countries is generally more time-consuming,” he added. “They take a long time for everything.”

Scotland Yard and German prosecutors made televised appeals last week for information about two homes, a camper van and a Jaguar car used by Brückner while he was living close to the McCann’s holiday apartment.

Brückner’s lawyer, Jan-Christian Hochmann, has resigned from the case but has not said why. Brückner has appointed one of Germany’s top lawyers, Johann Schwenn. Friedrich Fülscher, another lawyer representing Brückner, told RTL television that the suspect is “currently not providing any information” about the allegations he was involved in Madeleine’s murder.

When asked how Brückner was coping, he replied: “How should a person who is isolated in a correctional facility and who is accused by half the world’s population of the worst crimes?”

A friend of Brückner while he was in Praia da Luz told a court last year that the suspect had entered properties through open windows while living close to the McCann family’s holiday apartment, it emerged yesterday.

The patio windows of the apartment where Madeleine, three, was sleeping had been left open while her parents dined near by. Police say Brückner’s mobile telephone was used close to the scene less than an hour earlier.

The friend gave evidence at the trial in December which led to Brückner being convicted of raping a 72-year-old American woman after breaking into her villa in Praia da Luz in 2005.

The unnamed friend, a 52-year-old German, said he had noticed three stacks of passports in Brückner’s rented farmhouse. He told the judge that Brückner had explained to him that he had stolen the passports during “night walks”. The friend said: “He probably got into one or the other apartments through open windows.”

When Brückner was arrested he asked the friend to take items from his farmhouse and “noticed some self-burned CDs with labels about certain sexual practices”. Two other witnesses described in detail having found two video recordings in the house that showed Brückner in rape scenes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 04:40:01 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
I really don’t know why some of you sceptics are keen to downplay the seriousness of this man’s past

Well if your post isn't playing games - what is

I can't see anyone downplaying what a nasty piece of work he is,

The press is doing a good job of how vile he is - But if they are not careful he could be doing what the mccs did.

IMO
Then you’re not paying close attention. 
Spam suggested he may not be a paedo at all, just a 17 year old guy who was having a relationship with a 15 year old girl.  Jassi and Gertrude only seemed to recall the conviction for “a sex act in front of a minor” and when I reminded Jassi that he was also convicted of child abuse she replied “hardly the crime of the century”.  Now, in any reasonable person’s book that is downplaying the seriousness of his crimes. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 04:11:07 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8410379/Belgium-REOPENS-1996-murder-case-possibly-linked-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner.html

https://youtu.be/5eBT6OSr1TI
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2020, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: misty on June 11, 2020, 01:17:14 AM
I must have missed Redwood supplying the public with a description of the clothing Smithman was wearing that night, such was the importance of identifying the man.

Redwood showed two photo fits,what would the benefit of knowing what smithmans clothing be? this was 7 yrs after the fact,its people they want not styling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 04:44:37 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 04:41:13 PM
https://youtu.be/5eBT6OSr1TI
https://www.barrons.com/news/belgium-reopens-cold-case-on-possible-link-to-madeleine-mccann-suspect-01591872308
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 11, 2020, 04:43:02 PM
Redwood showed two photo fits,what would the benefit of knowing what smithmans clothing be? this was 7 yrs after the fact,its people they want not styling.
As the Smiths claimed never to have got a good look at his face it’s safe to say they relied heavily on their imaginations when describing it.  Presumably they had a better idea of what he was wearing so what harm in mentioning it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 11, 2020, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 04:40:01 PM
Then you’re not paying close attention. 
Spam suggested he may not be a paedo at all, just a 17 year old guy who was having a relationship with a 15 year old girl.  Jassi and Gertrude only seemed to recall the conviction for “a sex act in front of a minor” and when I reminded Jassi that he was also convicted of child abuse she replied “hardly the crime of the century”.  Now, in any reasonable person’s book that is downplaying the seriousness of his crimes.

I agree with you VS, he was a bit of a cad and carried a gun around to make himself look tough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 04:52:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 11, 2020, 04:47:53 PM
I agree with you VS, he was a bit of a cad and carried a gun around to make himself look tough.
”A bit of a cad”??  Now you’re at it!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 04:57:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 11, 2020, 04:47:53 PM
I agree with you VS, he was a bit of a cad and carried a gun around to make himself look tough.


I’d put it a bit stronger, he was more of a bounder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 11, 2020, 05:02:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 04:04:14 PM
Yes, I’d agree you were trying to whitewash over his crimes.  I didn’t however accuse you of sympathising with a child abuser. I really don’t know why some of you sceptics are keen to downplay the seriousness of this man’s past crimes, I’m certainly not the one playing games here.

You've decided I tried to downplay his crimes. The Times and the Telegraph ( which I had been reading)  also summarised his early offences ( not giving the number of counts) and did not use the term 'child abuse'. So maybe take your pitchforks over to their offices.
Of course people summarise things to be concise but apparently I'm not allowed to do the same. I'm done with it now thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2020, 05:22:24 PM
Ok its the fail,but doesn't look as if there is much cooperation going on.

Caveat, Rowley 2017:There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8411085/Portuguese-police-incensed-German-prosecutors-claims-theyve-slow-help-Madeleine-probe.html

EXCLUSIVE: Portuguese police are 'incensed' by German prosecutors' claims that they have been slow to help Madeleine McCann investigation after paedophile Christian Brueckner was identified as prime suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 11, 2020, 05:40:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 11, 2020, 05:22:24 PM
Ok its the fail,but doesn't look as if there is much cooperation going on.

Caveat, Rowley 2017:There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8411085/Portuguese-police-incensed-German-prosecutors-claims-theyve-slow-help-Madeleine-probe.html

EXCLUSIVE: Portuguese police are 'incensed' by German prosecutors' claims that they have been slow to help Madeleine McCann investigation after paedophile Christian Brueckner was identified as prime suspect

Well done those Germans. Criticising Southern European countries for being slow wasn't a smart move imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 05:44:24 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 11, 2020, 05:02:12 PM
You've decided I tried to downplay his crimes. The Times and the Telegraph ( which I had been reading)  also summarised his early offences ( not giving the number of counts) and did not use the term 'child abuse'. So maybe take your pitchforks over to their offices.
Of course people summarise things to be concise but apparently I'm not allowed to do the same. I'm done with it now thanks.
What term did they use, out of interest?  Do you have a cite?  You summarised “child abuse” with the much longer “sexual activity in front of a child”.  How concise!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 05:45:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 11, 2020, 05:22:24 PM
Ok its the fail,but doesn't look as if there is much cooperation going on.

Caveat, Rowley 2017:There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8411085/Portuguese-police-incensed-German-prosecutors-claims-theyve-slow-help-Madeleine-probe.html

EXCLUSIVE: Portuguese police are 'incensed' by German prosecutors' claims that they have been slow to help Madeleine McCann investigation after paedophile Christian Brueckner was identified as prime suspect
So do they think Bruckner is a credible suspect or not? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 05:46:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2020, 05:40:47 PM
Well done those Germans. Criticising Southern European countries for being slow wasn't a smart move imo.
Why not?  The eyes of the world are on them again.  Time to get their fingers out if they don’t want to lose all credibility all over again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 05:49:51 PM

"Portuguese police fully expected to receive an official request for search teams to begin digs near the two homes used by Brueckner – but have had none."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8411085/Portuguese-police-incensed-German-prosecutors-claims-theyve-slow-help-Madeleine-probe.html

Who's dragging their heels?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 11, 2020, 05:57:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 05:46:44 PM
Why not?  The eyes of the world are on them again.  Time to get their fingers out if they don’t want to lose all credibility all over again.

The Germans have cast aspersions on Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece. A bad move in my opinion

Mr Wolters, the state prosecutor in Braunschweig said: 'Working together with authorities in south European countries is generally more time-consuming. 'They take a long time for everything and the French or British police are faster.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8408623/German-Maddie-McCann-prosecutor-says-Portuguese-police-think-parents-responsible.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 04:40:01 PM
Then you’re not paying close attention. 
Spam suggested he may not be a paedo at all, just a 17 year old guy who was having a relationship with a 15 year old girl.  Jassi and Gertrude only seemed to recall the conviction for “a sex act in front of a minor” and when I reminded Jassi that he was also convicted of child abuse she replied “hardly the crime of the century”.  Now, in any reasonable person’s book that is downplaying the seriousness of his crimes.

 @)(++(* That's your game playing  Vs your twisting of posts made,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 05:59:28 PM
@)(++(* That's your game playing  Vs your twisting of posts made,

Pretty pathetic really, of no consequence though I suppose it keeps it happy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 06:13:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 05:59:28 PM
@)(++(* That's your game playing  Vs your twisting of posts made,
I twisted nothing.  I am playing no games.  I am simply commenting on the fact that some people on this forum are keen to downplay this man’s crimes.  The posts are there for all to see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 06:15:11 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 06:02:31 PM
Pretty pathetic really, of no consequence though I suppose it keeps it happy
I think it’s pretty pathetic to downplay the crime of child abuse as “hardly the crime of the century”.  Also I am not an “it” but it seems you are keen to reduce me to a less than human status.  Why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 11, 2020, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 06:15:11 PM
I think it’s pretty pathetic to downplay the crime of child abuse as hardly the crime of the century.  Also I am not an “it” but it seems you are keen to reduce me to a less than human status.  Why?

He dies seem to have a certain amount of support on here... A convicted rapist...paedophile... But some sceptics seem to want to defend him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 06:24:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 11, 2020, 06:18:30 PM
He dies seem to have a certain amount of support on here... A convicted rapist...paedophile... But some sceptics seem to want to defend him
They certainly seem very keen to ridicule the idea that he is in any way responsible for any of the crimes he is being investigated for - the question is: what makes them so sure he is innocent of them all? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 06:15:11 PM
I think it’s pretty pathetic to downplay the crime of child abuse as hardly the crime of the century.  Also I am not an “it” but it seems you are keen to reduce me to a less than human status.  Why?

Don't you realise you are being played for a sucker and these things are said to get you on your moral high horse?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
Don't you realise you are being played for a sucker and these things are said to get you on your moral high horse?
Ah.  So it’s YOU that is playing the games.  How childish and how inappropriate, in the circumstances.  How old are you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2020, 06:26:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 11, 2020, 06:18:30 PM
He dies seem to have a certain amount of support on here... A convicted rapist...paedophile... But some sceptics seem to want to defend him

I think you're misinterpreting the defending of the presumption of innocence in the McCann case with any other thoughts on the slime ball.No charges yet,won't be long though,or probably not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 11, 2020, 06:26:24 PM
I think you're misinterpreting the defending of the presumption of innocence in the McCann case with any other thoughts on the slime ball.No charges yet,won't be long though,or probably not.
Is that why you were all so keen to defend the McCanns’ presumption of innocence...?  Oh wait....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 06:25:43 PM
Ah.  So it’s YOU that is playing the games.  How childish and how inappropriate, in the circumstances.  How old are you?

Old enough not to get excited over anything on here, that's for sure
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 11, 2020, 06:30:19 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 11, 2020, 06:26:24 PM
I think you're misinterpreting the defending of the presumption of innocence in the McCann case with any other thoughts on the slime ball.No charges yet,won't be long though,or probably not.

He's guilty of rape and child abuse
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 06:32:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 06:28:06 PM
Is that why you were all so keen to defend the McCanns’ presumption of innocence...?  Oh wait....

How could I do that when I don't think they are innocent - nothing wrong with a different opinion to yours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 11, 2020, 06:18:30 PM
He dies seem to have a certain amount of support on here... A convicted rapist...paedophile... But some sceptics seem to want to defend him

That reminds me....I must remember to donate to his defence fund.

I'd rather he had my money than the McCanns.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 11, 2020, 06:30:19 PM
He's guilty of rape and child abuse

So are thousands of others - are they going to go through them all D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 11, 2020, 08:24:58 AM
I was under the impression that the thought of a reconstitution never entered Amaral's head except to veto one in the early days when it would be of value.

Rebelo tried to organise a reconstruction to which Kate and Gerry had agreed but which ... starting with the independent witness, other witnesses had concerns not the least of which was that they had been told not to bring their children.  They just did not trust the Portuguese police by that stage.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Here’s the quote from Amaral’s book which shows otherwise with regards to further interviews with Smith family and the need for a reconstruction:  “ We decide to get the Smiths back to the Algarve, for a formal identification of Gerry McCann - by means of televised images, certainly - direct confrontation being impossible - and possibly proceed to a reconstruction of the events of the night of May 3rd. The National Director of the Judiciary police agrees, the process is set in motion, all the details are sorted out; all that remains is to choose the hotel where they will be put up.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 11, 2020, 06:35:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 06:34:33 PM
Here’s the quote from Amaral’s book which shows otherwise with regards to further interviews with Smith family and the need for a reconstruction:  “ We decide to get the Smiths back to the Algarve, for a formal identification of Gerry McCann - by means of televised images, certainly - direct confrontation being impossible - and possibly proceed to a reconstruction of the events of the night of May 3rd. The National Director of the Judiciary police agrees, the process is set in motion, all the details are sorted out; all that remains is to choose the hotel where they will be put up.”

And then what happened?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 06:37:16 PM
Isn't this the point that he exited stage left ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 06:34:21 PM
So are thousands of others - are they going to go through them all D

Only those paedophiles and rapists who were within striking distance of those victims who were abused or raped.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 06:39:03 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 06:37:20 PM
Only those paedophiles and rapists who were within striking distance of those victims who were abused or raped.

How would you define striking distance ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 06:39:03 PM
How would you define striking distance ?

Not being in another country. At the time of the offence.
Perhaps living within a hundred miles radius of those victims who were abused or raped.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 06:45:46 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 06:42:05 PM
Not being in another country. At the time of the offence.
Perhaps living within a hundred miles radius of those victims who were abused or raped.
Well the Spanish border isn't that far away, although even a hundred mile radius covers a fair bit of ground.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 11, 2020, 06:35:49 PM
And then what happened?

He was taken off the case. Reportedly due to political pressure from the UK, but I'm sure you don't entertain that view.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 06:50:00 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 06:32:25 PM
How could I do that when I don't think they are innocent - nothing wrong with a different opinion to yours.

You don't believe they are innocent.
Therefore you believe they are guilty.
Guilty of what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 11, 2020, 06:51:29 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 06:45:54 PM
He was taken off the case. Reportedly due to political pressure from the UK, but I'm sure you don't entertain that view.

Reportedly by whom?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 06:57:47 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 11, 2020, 07:42:22 AM
ORLY!  No they haven't... stop making up stories.

Oh look, I spy a blue/lavender/lilac/aquamarine folder on that OG shrine... https://youtu.be/_XsELyob8AI?t=186 (https://youtu.be/_XsELyob8AI?t=186)

Thank you.

https://youtu.be/_XsELyob8AI?t=186

There was a long discussion on here about the fact that the Crimewatch video had been deliberately changed to show my folders as Aquamarine or blue rather than the correct colour of Lilac/ lavender.  The top shelves also were totally omitted so that my big Lavender colour  folder on the top shelf, mid position, was no longer visible.  This ring folder was arguably placed in the most prestigious position on the bookshelves.

And IIRC the synchronisation of voice with visuals had been altered too.


I went thru every YouTube video of the Crimewatch video and non were correct.  The original was not there; they had all been changed.   Eventually one came up that had not been changed.


Just why they were all changed is a mystery, but I have a good idea why it might have been … and it was a form of lying.


Soz, Myster.  You have the wrong person; I have no need to lie or misrepresent things.   
Go for the perpetrators of the lying altered Youtubes.

----------------------------------

ETA:  For some jiggery-pokery cheating reason, I am not allowed to post the video link again, so I am adding this bit here.



Using the youtube address above

Good view of full bookshelves with my big Lavender folder in the prime position, middle of top shelf    @3.29

Police officer, holding one of my smaller folders, starting his walk towards the camera                        @3.45

Whilst Police Officer is holding my folder and walking towards the camera, there is a Voice Over clearly saying  "This careful analysis has led to an important discovery"                                                  @3.48
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 07:10:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 11, 2020, 06:51:29 PM
Reportedly by whom?

By Richie Cooley in Contortions of Truth Detective Amaral, and Madeleine McCann, for example. An author who also totally dismisses "conspiracy theories".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 11, 2020, 07:17:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 05:44:24 PM
What term did they use, out of interest?  Do you have a cite?  You summarised “child abuse” with the much longer “sexual activity in front of a child”.  How concise!

So now I'm giving too much detail, make your mind up. You can go and find Times and Telegraph articles from a few days ago. His charges have been described differently in the Guardian. In the Telegraph and Times they were truncated presumably because the terms have been translated. As I said, why don't you bombard them with your objections and tell them they are Bruckner's best pen pals.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 07:18:19 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 11, 2020, 06:57:47 PM
Thank you.

https://youtu.be/_XsELyob8AI?t=186

There was a long discussion on here about the fact that the Crimewatch video had been deliberately changed to show my folders as Aquamarine or blue rather than the correct colour of Lilac/ lavender.  The top shelves also were totally omitted so that my big Lavender colour  folder on the top shelf, mid position, was no longer visible.  This ring folder was arguably placed in the most prestigious position on the bookshelves.

And IIRC the synchronisation of voice with visuals had been altered too.


I went thru every YouTube video of the Crimewatch video and non were correct.  The original was not there; they had all been changed.   Eventually one came up that had not been changed.


Just why they were all changed is a mystery, but I have a good idea why it might have been … and it was a form of lying.


Soz, Myster.  You have the wrong person; I have no need to lie or misrepresent things.   
Go for the perpetrators of the lying altered Youtubes.

Would you mind sharing that video of Madeleine in 2012 that you have seen.?

I think that would be beneficial to Maddie & her family as us sceptics might stop accusing the McCanns.

Maybe you could share a few of those many "pointers" you witter on about whilst you're at it.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 07:21:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 06:45:46 PM
Well the Spanish border isn't that far away, although even a hundred mile radius covers a fair bit of ground.

It is a fair bit of ground.
Robert Black covered a fair bit of ground when he abused and murdered his victims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 07:24:07 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 07:21:19 PM
It is a fair bit of ground.
Robert Black covered a fair bit of ground when he abused and murdered his victims.

Exactly, so why concentrate on a small distance around PDL.
It could of course also have been a tourist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 11, 2020, 07:17:04 PM
So now I'm giving too much detail, make your mind up. You can go and find Times and Telegraph articles from a few days ago. His charges have been described differently in the Guardian. In the Telegraph and Times they were truncated presumably because the terms have been translated. As I said, why don't you bombard them with your objections and tell them they are Bruckner's best pen pals.
You’re just being silly now. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 07:25:48 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 11, 2020, 06:32:25 PM
How could I do that when I don't think they are innocent - nothing wrong with a different opinion to yours.
So you don’t believe in the right to the presumption of innocence, or only when it applies to convicted rapists and child abusers?  I see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 07:24:07 PM
Exactly, so why concentrate on a small distance around PDL.
It could of course also have been a tourist.

What could have been a tourist?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 11, 2020, 07:44:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
You’re just being silly now.

Someone drove me to it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 07:46:15 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
What could have been a tourist?

The perp.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 07:53:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 07:46:15 PM
The perp.

If that tourist has convictions for child abuse and rape, then perhaps.
Or do you believe a tourist abducted her for another reason?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 07:57:31 PM
There's so much 'stuff' floating about, it's difficult to believe anything with certainty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2020, 08:02:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 07:18:19 PM
Would you mind sharing that video of Madeleine in 2012 that you have seen.?

I think that would be beneficial to Maddie & her family as us sceptics might stop accusing the McCanns.

Maybe you could share a few of those many "pointers" you witter on about whilst you're at it.

I have already told you, Spammy.

It is with SY and I so I am not able to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 07:57:31 PM
There's so much 'stuff' floating about, it's difficult to believe anything with certainty.

In regard to the German suspect there is an overwhelming amount of "stuff" .
Whether he is involved in Madeline's disappearance could or could not be true.
However he does seem to have a nasty criminal record and there is the possibility that he could be involved in other criminal cases.
Investigations should be completed into whether or not he is involved.
Preferably without the "stuff".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 08:09:05 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 08:05:00 PM
In regard to the German suspect there is an overwhelming amount of "stuff" .
Whether he is involved in Madeline's disappearance could or could not be true.
However he does seem to have a nasty criminal record and there is the possibility that he could be involved in other criminal cases.
Investigations should be completed into whether or not he is involved.
Preferably without the "stuff".

Oh, he's bound to have committed other crimes presently not known, but as things are at present he's had his name put down for every unsolved crime in western Europe in the past 20 years. He won't be responsible for them all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 07:24:07 PM
Exactly, so why concentrate on a small distance around PDL.
It could of course also have been a tourist.
Sounds like you are with Holly on this one?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 07:53:19 PM
If that tourist has convictions for child abuse and rape, then perhaps.
Or do you believe a tourist abducted her for another reason?

Serial murderer Ted Bundy had no prior adult criminal record. Anybody can commit a crime and possibly have committed previous ones with no prior record. You follow evidence not people you don't like!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
Serial murderer Ted Bundy had no prior adult criminal record. Anybody can commit a crime and possibly have committed previous ones with no prior record. You follow evidence not people you don't like!

Well you seem to be  sure there is no evidence against this German fellow in any of the crimes he is being linked to.
 How can you be so sure?

You are correct.
I don't like him.
Not really the type of person I would like.

Not really sure that anyone would commit the crime of child abuse and rape.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 08:26:40 PM
I'm talking about you claiming it couldn't be a tourist because of no prior criminal record. I'm saying that does not matter! A perp could be somebody without a prior record!

Ted Bundy got away with it for so long with attitudes like you! Couldn't be nice Ted with no record!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2020, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 08:12:28 PM
Sounds like you are with Holly on this one?

To be honest, I've lost track of where Holly is at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 08:26:40 PM
I'm talking about you claiming it couldn't be a tourist because of no prior criminal record. I'm saying that does not matter! A perp could be somebody without a prior record!

Ted Bundy got away with it for so long with attitudes like you! Couldn't be nice Ted with no record!

Don't be ridiculous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 07:53:19 PM
If that tourist has convictions for child abuse and rape, then perhaps.
Or do you believe a tourist abducted her for another reason?

You are the ridiculous one! Everybody is a suspect in a case. Not only the ones with records!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 08:36:21 PM

Jimmy Saville had no criminal record, he raised a lot of money for charity & died an innocent man.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 08:28:25 PM
To be honest, I've lost track of where Holly is at the moment.

Where are you at the moment?
I'm still of the opinion that Madeline's parents are not involved in her disappearance.
I'm not sure of whether this German fellow is involved.
Where are you in the lockdown situation?
Here we are in the heady heights of being in phase one.
We can meet in the garden with one household, maximum of eight.
We can now visit our local recycling centre.
Can play golf, tennis or go fishing.

All socially distant of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 08:44:04 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2020, 08:33:42 PM
You are the ridiculous one! Everybody is a suspect in a case. Not only the ones with records!

Very true.
But the person with a criminal record for child abuse and violent rape may just be more suspected than someone who does not have a record of such crimes.
It is your perogative to believe otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 08:38:44 PM
Where are you at the moment?
I'm still of the opinion that Madeline's parents are not involved in her disappearance.
I'm not sure of whether this German fellow is involved.
Where are you in the lockdown situation?
Here we are in the heart heights of being in phase one.
We can meet in the garden with one household, maximum of eight.
We can now visit our local recycling centre.
Can play golf, tennis or go fishing.

All socially distant of course.


You can go out and protest, without any social distancing, standing, shouting & assaulting police officers, amongst thousands of people & you'll be immune from covid.

But don't go to a pub with a few dozen people or hug your grandchildren because you'll be spreading the virus.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 08:44:04 PM
Very true.
But the person with a criminal record for child abuse and violent rape may just be more suspected than someone who does not have a record of such crimes.
It is your perogative to believe otherwise.

We know the McCanns had access to G5a, we can't be certain paedo guy ever did.

Ergo, it's more likely the McCanns dunnit than him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 08:44:48 PM

You can go out and protest, without any social distancing, standing, shouting & assaulting police officers, amongst thousands of people & you'll be immune from covid.

But don't go to a pub with a few dozen people or hug your grandchildren because you'll be spreading the virus.

Your morally superiority makes you immune.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 08:44:48 PM

You can go out and protest, without any social distancing, standing, shouting & assaulting police officers, amongst thousands of people & you'll be immune from covid.

But don't go to a pub with a few dozen people or hug your grandchildren because you'll be spreading the virus.

The only one from your list which I really, really want to do is the hug one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 11, 2020, 08:49:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2020, 08:28:25 PM
To be honest, I've lost track of where Holly is at the moment.
Fair enough. Your comment takes me back to mine previously re. your contribution to the forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 08:58:22 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 08:48:49 PM
The only one from your list which I really, really want to do is the hug one.

My cat has been getting plenty of attention the past 3-4 months.

I really want to go swimming, I used to swim every morning, but apparently bathing inside a giant pool of chlorine is more likely to spread the virus than walking around a supermarket whilst air conditioning pumps germs around the air.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 09:02:30 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 08:58:22 PM
My cat has been getting plenty of attention the past 3-4 months.

I really want to go swimming, I used to swim every morning, but apparently bathing inside a giant pool of chlorine is more likely to spread the virus than walking around a supermarket whilst air conditioning pumps germs around the air.

Yes there are many contradictions and anomalies within the present rules.
Our wee cat is enjoying his time in a quiet household.
Unsure of how he will react to the house being busy again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 09:02:30 PM
Yes there are many contradictions and anomalies within the present rules.
Our wee cat is enjoying his time in a quiet household.
Unsure of how he will react to the house being busy again.
I think our cat is a bit pissed off having people around all the time - we are constantly disturbing his beauty sleep.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 09:29:05 PM
I think our cat is a bit pissed off having people around all the time - we are constantly disturbing his beauty sleep.

You, Spam and I all concerned about our cats.
Who would have imagined such a meeting of minds.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 09:46:04 PM
You, Spam and I all concerned about our cats.
Who would have imagined such a meeting of minds.
A love of cats cuts through all racial, gender, class and McCannical divides.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 09:53:17 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 09:46:04 PM
You, Spam and I all concerned about our cats.
Who would have imagined such a meeting of minds.

If there's one & only one thing we can ever be in agreement on it's that cat lives matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 09:53:17 PM
If there's one & only thing we can ever be in agreement on it's that cat lives matter.
What about dog lives?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 09:56:44 PM
What about dog lives?

I love all animals, prefer them to some people, but must confess I favour cats over dogs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 10:02:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 09:56:44 PM
What about dog lives?

Indeed.
Youngest son and family have been fostering a Romanian dog.for a few weeks.
It is.going to its forever home this.weekend.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 10:05:44 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
I love all animals, prefer them to some people, but must confess I favour cats over dogs.

Likewise.
Was bitten by a dog as a child.
Did prejudice my view of canines.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 09:56:44 PM
What about dog lives?

Very valuable companions.
So they matter too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
I love all animals, prefer them to some people, but must confess I favour cats over dogs.
Me too.  Cats don’t smell as bad and you rarely have to pick up their poo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 10:20:12 PM
Me too.  Cats don’t smell as bad and you rarely have to pick up their poo.

Cats are generally much less demanding, you don't have to walk them 3 times a day & they don't try to lick you all over with that same tongue they've just been licking their arses with.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 10:34:13 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2020, 10:23:35 PM
Cats are generally much less demanding, you don't have to walk them 3 times a day & they don't try to lick you all over with that same tongue they've just been licking their arses with.
My cat is sometimes a bit of a pain in the arse because in some respects he is like a dog.  When he’s awake he won’t let me alone and follows me everywhere.  In fact he’s like a daemon in His Dark Materials.  When I go for a walk in the fields he trots at my side all the way.  It’s kind of cute except when I walk to work and he wants to come with me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 07:25:48 PM
So you don’t believe in the right to the presumption of innocence, or only when it applies to convicted rapists and child abusers?  I see.

They are presumed innocent in law until proven otherwise beyond all reasonable doubt. People are entitled to make their own presumptions. However that carries no weight in law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 10:34:13 PM
My cat is sometimes a bit of a pain in the arse because in some respects he is like a dog.  When he’s awake he won’t let me alone and follows me everywhere.  In fact he’s like a daemon in His Dark Materials.  When I go for a walk in the fields he trots at my side all the way.  It’s kind of cute except when I walk to work and he wants to come with me.

They are so unpredictable in their responses
Probably more intelligent than dogs but definitely not as trainable.
Not programmed to please their owner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 11:06:58 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 11, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
They are presumed innocent in law until proven otherwise beyond all reasonable doubt. People are entitled to make their own presumptions. However that carries no weight in law.
My comment was in relation to those bleating about the paedo/rapist’s entitlement to the presumption of innocence who seem less keen to extend the same presumption to the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 03:07:37 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2020, 11:06:58 PM
My comment was in relation to those blestimg about the paedo/rapist’s entitlement to the presumption of innocence who seem less keen to extend the same presumption to the McCanns.

Like I said the presumption exists in law.... What people presume with their own personal opinion is up to them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 12, 2020, 07:26:24 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 03:07:37 AM
Like I said the presumption exists in law.... What people presume with their own personal opinion is up to them.
And my comment was about hypocrisy and double standards.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 09:25:58 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 12, 2020, 07:26:24 AM
And my comment was about hypocrisy and double standards.

I'm sure you presume some to be innocent and some to be guilty prior to a trial. It's not hypocrisy - it just our own bias. In law though ALL must be presumed innocent and only judged on the evidence presented in a court of law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 09:34:39 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 09:25:58 AM
I'm sure you presume some to be innocent and some to be guilty prior to a trial. It's not hypocrisy - it just our own bias. In law though ALL must be presumed innocent and only judged on the evidence presented in a court of law.

You presume too much sometimes.  I have no idea if this German man is guilty.

However, as far as The McCanns are concerned it has been 13 years with nary a hint of proof of any kind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 10:04:48 AM
If you don't look, then you don't find.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 10:04:48 AM
If you don't look, then you don't find.

You think I didn't look?  Have you looked?  Have you found any?

As it happens and to my shame, I thought in the beginning that The McCanns probably were involved.  Until I began to Look.  And then my inherent Common Sense and Logic kicked in.

And of course, I then remembered that I had left my children alone on occasions, so you can scrub that one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 10:39:04 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 09:34:39 AM
You presume too much sometimes.  I have no idea if this German man is guilty.

However, as far as The McCanns are concerned it has been 13 years with nary a hint of proof of any kind.

I’m open minded. My suspicion based on what we know is that MM died in 5A but as to the circumstances I’m open to a number of possibilities.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 12, 2020, 10:45:14 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 10:39:04 AM
I’m open minded. My suspicion based on what we know is that MM died in 5A but as to the circumstances I’m open to a number of possibilities.

There is nothing if any degree of certainty that Maddie died in 5a... It's possible... That's all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 12, 2020, 10:56:47 AM
Heaven forgive me for posting an article from the Sun but even dozy Dave is getting in on the act.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11834873/madeleine-mccann-probably-still-alive-cop-suspect-innocent/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 12, 2020, 11:04:03 AM
Just a polite reminder.  The topic of this thread concerns ... New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.  It has nothing to do with anything other than that so please stick to the thread topic.  Thank you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 12, 2020, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 12, 2020, 10:56:47 AM
Heaven forgive me for posting an article from the Sun but even dozy Dave is getting in on the act.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11834873/madeleine-mccann-probably-still-alive-cop-suspect-innocent/

“I don’t work on speculation. I work on hard evidence. I’m not talking about some circumstantial evidence and speculation – I’m talking about evidence you would be confident enough taking into court." -Dave Edgar


.....and yet he's certain Maddie was abducted!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 11:07:57 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 10:39:04 AM
I’m open minded. My suspicion based on what we know is that MM died in 5A but as to the circumstances I’m open to a number of possibilities.

Yes a suspicion. just as the German prosecutor has said in some translations 'I think', 'I believe' and 'I personally think that she was killed a short time after she disappeared,"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/11/madeleine-mccann-case-police-portugal-remain-convinced-parents/#:~:text=It%20was%20Mr%20Wolters%20who,the%20Portuguese%20police%20when%20appropriate. (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/11/madeleine-mccann-case-police-portugal-remain-convinced-parents/#:~:text=It%20was%20Mr%20Wolters%20who,the%20Portuguese%20police%20when%20appropriate.)

It's fine for him to have suspicions and believe these things and actually base a multi-national appeal on it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 10:39:04 AM
I’m open minded. My suspicion based on what we know is that MM died in 5A but as to the circumstances I’m open to a number of possibilities.

We don't actually Know anything.  But there would still have been a body to dispose of.

I am saying nothing about the German Geezer.  It is beginning to look as though The German Judiciary are as clueless as The PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 12, 2020, 10:56:47 AM
Heaven forgive me for posting an article from the Sun but even dozy Dave is getting in on the act.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11834873/madeleine-mccann-probably-still-alive-cop-suspect-innocent/

I think he has a cheek criticising the Germans when he doesn't know what evidence they have.

He says "without a body, it is very likely somebody took Madeleine away and is still keeping her alive." What about a body which wasn't found?

Also; “If it wasn’t detected in the first year then it’s going to be very difficult to detect after that, unless you’ve got some sort of hard evidence – i.e. – forensic evidence or identifications that are going to stand up."  Why then did he get involved two years after the event, I wonder?

As to the 'leads' he pursued; they were very tenuous in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 11:19:00 AM
We don't actually Know anything.  But there would still have been a body to dispose of.

I am saying nothing about the German Geezer.  It is beginning to look as though The German Judiciary are as clueless as The PJ.

And that applies to Op Grange too imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 11:33:36 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
I think he has a cheek criticising the Germans when he doesn't know what evidence they have.

He says "without a body, it is very likely somebody took Madeleine away and is still keeping her alive." What about a body which wasn't found?

Also; “If it wasn’t detected in the first year then it’s going to be very difficult to detect after that, unless you’ve got some sort of hard evidence – i.e. – forensic evidence or identifications that are going to stand up."  Why then did he get involved two years after the event, I wonder?

As to the 'leads' he pursued; they were very tenuous in my opinion.

There is a professional jealousy between these competing police organisations who all want to be the one to solve this case. The spirit of cooperation is for the public's benefit but behind closed doors it is very different.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 11:31:50 AM
And that applies to Op Grange too imo.

I don't really care.  I just believe in Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 11:39:38 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 11:19:00 AM
We don't actually Know anything.  But there would still have been a body to dispose of.

I am saying nothing about the German Geezer.  It is beginning to look as though The German Judiciary are as clueless as The PJ.

At least now we're learning that there are differences of opinion.

The Germans are talking murder.
The UK are still talking 'missing'.
The PJ are saying nothing, but the Germans think they still suspect the McCanns.

Hopefully we will no longer see posts telling us that two police forces are working harmoniously on the same theory.
That can no longer be said with any confidence in my opinion. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 11:50:24 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 11:39:38 AM
At least now we're learning that there are differences of opinion.

The Germans are talking murder.
The UK are still talking 'missing'.
The PJ are saying nothing, but the Germans think they still suspect the McCanns.

Hopefully we will no longer see posts telling us that two police forces are working harmoniously on the same theory.
That can no longer be said with any confidence in my opinion.

I am still working on Missing.  If no one minds.  There is still nothing to prove me wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 11:56:31 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 11:39:38 AM
At least now we're learning that there are differences of opinion.

The Germans are talking murder.
The UK are still talking 'missing'.
The PJ are saying nothing, but the Germans think they still suspect the McCanns.

Hopefully we will no longer see posts telling us that two police forces are working harmoniously on the same theory.
That can no longer be said with any confidence in my opinion.

And the Germans are blaming the Portuguese for dragging their feet, whereas the Portuguese are saying that the Germans haven't requested ant assistance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 12, 2020, 12:05:32 PM
we haven't made much progress in the 13 years, have we?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 12, 2020, 12:05:32 PM
we haven't made much progress in the 13 years, have we?

That's right.
Plenty of activity but no progress
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 12, 2020, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 12:21:47 PM
That's right.
Plenty of activity but no progress
It feels like I'm reading the same stuff as I did 5 years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 12:34:02 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 12, 2020, 12:23:19 PM
It feels like I'm reading the same stuff as I did 5 years ago.

Thirteen Years in my case.  But onwards and upwards.  Still no proof that Madeleine is dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 12, 2020, 12:40:25 PM
Further info and a podcast to while away your time...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1294685/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-police-investigation-third-vehicle (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1294685/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-police-investigation-third-vehicle)

https://www.facebook.com/cnninternational/videos/german-prosecutors-say-they-have-new-evidence-in-madeleine-mccann-case-but-not-e/261732008268201/ (https://www.facebook.com/cnninternational/videos/german-prosecutors-say-they-have-new-evidence-in-madeleine-mccann-case-but-not-e/261732008268201/)

https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2020/jun/12/how-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-became-a-national-obsession-podcast (https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2020/jun/12/how-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-became-a-national-obsession-podcast)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
I thought this was interesting re. German law. There are 3 stages of criminal proceedings. They must be at stage one with Bruckner as he hasn't been charged. This bit stood out to me...

'The aim of the investigation is to establish whether or not the suspicion against you is justified.' , so technically at this stage everything is only a suspicion?

'Investigation (Ermittlungsverfahren): The prosecuting authorities (either the public prosecutor or the police) will start an investigation if they suspect you of a criminal offence. The aim of the investigation is to establish whether or not the suspicion against you is justified. In order to conduct their investigation they may take a variety of measures, including searching your home. When the investigation is complete, the public prosecutor will decide whether to discontinue the proceedings on lack of suspicion or whether to charge you.

(Zwischenverfahren): In the intermediate proceedings a court assesses the charge and decides whether or not the prosecution should proceed. If the court believes that there is enough evidence to make a conviction likely, it will open the main proceedings.

Main proceedings (Hauptverfahren): In the main proceedings, the court prepares and conducts the trial. The court tests the charge at an oral hearing on the basis of the evidence available (eyewitnesses, documents, etc.). You will also be given the opportunity to tell the court your version of events and to comment on the allegations. If you are found to have committed the offence, you will be convicted. If not, you will be acquitted. You can appeal against a judgment within certain time‑limits. In a full appeal (Berufsverfahren), the main proceedings are repeated before a higher court. In review proceedings (Revisionsverfahren), the judgment is checked only for legal defects.'

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-de-en.do?member=1
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 12, 2020, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
I thought this was interesting re. German law. There are 3 stages of criminal proceedings. They must be at stage one with Bruckner as he hasn't been charged. This bit stood out to me...

'The aim of the investigation is to establish whether or not the suspicion against you is justified.' , so technically at this stage everything is only a suspicion?

'Investigation (Ermittlungsverfahren): The prosecuting authorities (either the public prosecutor or the police) will start an investigation if they suspect you of a criminal offence. The aim of the investigation is to establish whether or not the suspicion against you is justified. In order to conduct their investigation they may take a variety of measures, including searching your home. When the investigation is complete, the public prosecutor will decide whether to discontinue the proceedings on lack of suspicion or whether to charge you.

(Zwischenverfahren): In the intermediate proceedings a court assesses the charge and decides whether or not the prosecution should proceed. If the court believes that there is enough evidence to make a conviction likely, it will open the main proceedings.

Main proceedings (Hauptverfahren): In the main proceedings, the court prepares and conducts the trial. The court tests the charge at an oral hearing on the basis of the evidence available (eyewitnesses, documents, etc.). You will also be given the opportunity to tell the court your version of events and to comment on the allegations. If you are found to have committed the offence, you will be convicted. If not, you will be acquitted. You can appeal against a judgment within certain time‑limits. In a full appeal (Berufsverfahren), the main proceedings are repeated before a higher court. In review proceedings (Revisionsverfahren), the judgment is checked only for legal defects.'

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-de-en.do?member=1

We dont know what evidence they have but from what they are saying it suggest they have some.

The police have said they don't want to question Bruickner yet until they have finished their preliminary investigations. The reason being that if they question him they have to release to his team everything they have. I would say that suggests they have some information/evidence they do not wish him to see. i wonder what that is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 12, 2020, 01:33:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 12, 2020, 12:55:36 PM
We dont know what evidence they have but from what they are saying it suggest they have some.

The police have said they don't want to question Bruickner yet until they have finished their preliminary investigations. The reason being that if they question him they have to release to his team everything they have. I would say that suggests they have some information/evidence they do not wish him to see. i wonder what that is.

The McCann's are hanging onto the hope that Madeleine is alive,  so whatever they told the McCann's they can't be certain that Madeleine is dead even if they say she is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 11:33:36 AM
There is a professional jealousy between these competing police organisations who all want to be the one to solve this case. The spirit of cooperation is for the public's benefit but behind closed doors it is very different.

Even within National police forces there's competition; remember the reaction of Surrey police to Colin Sutton when he suggested that Levi Ballfield might have killed Milly Dowler?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 11:36:49 AM
I don't really care.  I just believe in Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

You missed the words "legally" and "presumed". Objectively a person has either actually committed a crime or not before any trial takes place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 02:06:06 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
You missed the words "legally" and "presumed". Objectively a person has either actually committed a crime or not before any trial takes place.

I haven't missed anything.  How can anyone actually have committed a crime or not.

The Law of Innocent Until Proven Guilty is Absolute.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 02:09:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 12, 2020, 12:55:36 PM
We dont know what evidence they have but from what they are saying it suggest they have some.

The police have said they don't want to question Bruickner yet until they have finished their preliminary investigations. The reason being that if they question him they have to release to his team everything they have. I would say that suggests they have some information/evidence they do not wish him to see. i wonder what that is.

No, I think you only get to see the evidence when charges are being prepared (stage 2). They can question him and he can remain silent, they can still go on gathering evidence to try and charge him ( which is what they must be doing) Stage 1

''If the investigation reveals sufficient grounds for you to be charged, the public prosecutor will submit an indictment setting out the charge'

Will I be informed of the witnesses and evidence against me?
In the indictment, the public prosecutor will list the evidence in support of the charge. Your defence lawyer will be able to view the file no later than at the end of the investigation and before the charge is brought against you. ''

Of course we don't know what evidence they have but it isn't enough to charge him and it can't be that compelling
 because to bring charges they need to have a 'reasonable expectation' the person would be convicted. So as it stands they cannot have an expectation the evidence they hold could convict him....ie. it's not compelling.

 This is what Judge Thomas Fischer said too. They haven't charged, so it can't be compelling evidence.

'"If the public prosecutor knew more, they would say more."

Dr Fischer went on to say he was skeptical the case was about to be solved and unconvinced the police have enough evidence to prosecute.

"There is a clear evidence base, but no compelling evidence,” he said.''

https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html (https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html)


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 02:06:06 PM
I haven't missed anything.  How can anyone actually have committed a crime or not.

The Law of Innocent Until Proven Guilty is Absolute.

People may be innocent or guilty in reality. Whatever the truth, everyone is entitled to the same protection in law once they are charged;

Article 11.
 
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 12, 2020, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 02:09:45 PM
No, I think you only get to see the evidence when charges are being prepared (stage 2). They can question him and he can remain silent, they can still go on gathering evidence to try and charge him ( which is what they must be doing) Stage 1

''If the investigation reveals sufficient grounds for you to be charged, the public prosecutor will submit an indictment setting out the charge'

Will I be informed of the witnesses and evidence against me?
In the indictment, the public prosecutor will list the evidence in support of the charge. Your defence lawyer will be able to view the file no later than at the end of the investigation and before the charge is brought against you. ''

Of course we don't know what evidence they have but it isn't enough to charge him and it can't be that compelling
 because to bring charges they need to have a 'reasonable expectation' the person would be convicted. So as it stands they cannot have an expectation the evidence they hold could convict him....ie. it's not compelling.

 This is what Judge Thomas Fischer said too. They haven't charged, so it can't be compelling evidence.

'"If the public prosecutor knew more, they would say more."

Dr Fischer went on to say he was skeptical the case was about to be solved and unconvinced the police have enough evidence to prosecute.

"There is a clear evidence base, but no compelling evidence,” he said.''

https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html (https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html)

I read that once hes questioned he has the right to see all the evidence and that is why as yet they ahve not questioned him...I doubt I imagined that. You think im wrong but you dont know..

But German laws allow a suspect to access their case file as soon as they are identified, and prosecutors want to prevent Brueckner's legal team from seeing the file until they are ready to charge him. 



I would think that means identified as a suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 12, 2020, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 12, 2020, 01:33:39 PM
The McCann's are hanging onto the hope that Madeleine is alive,  so whatever they told the McCann's they can't be certain that Madeleine is dead even if they say she is.

They seem certain that she will never be found so still alive forever to them!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 12, 2020, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
People may be innocent or guilty in reality. Whatever the truth, everyone is entitled to the same protection in law once they are charged;

Article 11.
 
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

This has been discussed before and its been shown the POI applies to suspects.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 12, 2020, 12:40:25 PM
Further info and a podcast to while away your time...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1294685/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-police-investigation-third-vehicle (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1294685/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-police-investigation-third-vehicle)

https://www.facebook.com/cnninternational/videos/german-prosecutors-say-they-have-new-evidence-in-madeleine-mccann-case-but-not-e/261732008268201/ (https://www.facebook.com/cnninternational/videos/german-prosecutors-say-they-have-new-evidence-in-madeleine-mccann-case-but-not-e/261732008268201/)

https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2020/jun/12/how-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-became-a-national-obsession-podcast (https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2020/jun/12/how-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-became-a-national-obsession-podcast)

Interesting about the cars. I've mentioned before that I thought the van was wrong was bought in Germany in 2007. The existence of an estate car around early 2007 would fit in with that idea.
If the estate was a tatty old vehicle back then, it may well not have survived, so that all be a dead end.

Of course he bought and sold cars for a livelihood so has a perfectly good excuse for a turnover of vehicles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
People may be innocent or guilty in reality. Whatever the truth, everyone is entitled to the same protection in law once they are charged;

Article 11.
 
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

You can leave out the "Presumed."  Unless you think they don't have this Right before they have been Charged.

The McCanns have never been Charged, or even Arrested.

I am so very tired of these silly word games.  Most of whom indulge aren't even very good at it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 11:31:50 AM
And that applies to Op Grange too imo.

Clowns to the left of me,jokers to the right,here I am stuck in the middle with you,not exactly covering themselves in glory are our MET.

The Germans for what ever reason say Madeleine is dead,OG don't agree,either the German's haven't shown OG their evidence of such or its not Madeleine the clue's or whatever the Germans have lead to.
Another day with out charges being laid at the anonymous German whose name is known,won't be long now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 03:24:56 PM
Clowns to the left of me,jokers to the right,here I am stuck in the middle with you,not exactly covering themselves in glory are out MET.

The Germans for what ever reason say Madeleine is dead,OG don't agree,either the German's haven't shown OG their evidence of such or its not Madeleine the clue's or whatever the Germans have lead to.Another day with out charges being laid at the anonymous German whose name is known,won't be long now.

I don't suppose you could put a space between sentences, could you.

I know that it is not good to criticise grammar and spelling, but it is sometimes difficult to read what are otherwise good comments.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 12, 2020, 03:38:22 PM
I see the Bungling German police reports have begun  @)(++(*

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8414673/Blundering-German-police-TOLD-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-going-investigated.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 03:44:50 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 03:35:08 PM
I don't suppose you could put a space between sentences, could you.

I know that it is not good to criticise grammar and spelling, but it is sometimes difficult to read what are otherwise good comments.

I hope you're not accusing me of good comments,your standards are slipping.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 12, 2020, 03:46:16 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
You missed the words "legally" and "presumed". Objectively a person has either actually committed a crime or not before any trial takes place.

And even if found not guilty is still only presuned innocent....not proven innocent. Its actually virtually impossible to be declared innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 12, 2020, 03:38:22 PM
I see the Bungling German police reports have begun  @)(++(*

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8414673/Blundering-German-police-TOLD-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-going-investigated.html

A gigolo with a penchant for older women now. Is there no end to this's mans perversion ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 03:48:11 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 12, 2020, 03:38:22 PM
I see the Bungling German police reports have begun  @)(++(*

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8414673/Blundering-German-police-TOLD-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-going-investigated.html

The PJ, now the Germans,what hope is there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 03:50:09 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 12, 2020, 03:38:22 PM
I see the Bungling German police reports have begun  @)(++(*

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8414673/Blundering-German-police-TOLD-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-going-investigated.html

I don't think anyone could make this up if they tried.  The Germans are hoping that by going public that someone will come forward with new evidence but I doubt they've missed the boat. All they're going to get is Maddie look-a-like sightings like the ones our very own Sadie loves to boast about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 03:53:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 03:50:09 PM
I don't think anyone could make this up if they tried.  The Germans are hoping that by going public that someone will come forward with new evidence but I doubt they've missed the boat. All they're going to get is Maddie look-a-like sightings like the ones our very own Sadie loves to boast about.

They shook the tree and boy has there been some detritus fallen out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 04:01:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 03:46:39 PM
A gigolo with a penchant for older women now. Is there no end to this's mans perversion ?

How the hell does being seen with an older women end up being looking to pay him for sex? is there no end to this shite from the tabloids.

Murder suspect and convicted paedophile Brueckner, 43, was often seen with 'an assortment of older women,' a source told The Sun, sparking rumours he was trying to get them to pay him for sex.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 04:06:06 PM
An attraction towards older women might explain why he ended up raping a 72 year old.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 12, 2020, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 03:50:09 PM
I don't think anyone could make this up if they tried.  The Germans are hoping that by going public that someone will come forward with new evidence but I doubt they've missed the boat. All they're going to get is Maddie look-a-like sightings like the ones our very own Sadie loves to boast about.

I am sad that you see it as boasting, Angelo.   I see everything that I post as being as informative as I am able considering the restrictions of having passed much of my findings to OG, especially given as they appear to have taken notice of them.  And at times seem to be working /expanding on what I have instigated.


When people tell lies and continuously put out disinformation, as happens on here quite often, I occasionally feel it is time to step in to adjust the balance a little.  ?{)(**

Sorry if you don't like it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 12, 2020, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 09:25:58 AM
I'm sure you presume some to be innocent and some to be guilty prior to a trial. It's not hypocrisy - it just our own bias. In law though ALL must be presumed innocent and only judged on the evidence presented in a court of law.
The difference is I don’t bust a gut trying to convince anyone who will listen that someone who has not been charged with a crime is guilty of said crime, unlike some.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 04:06:06 PM
An attraction towards older women might explain why he ended up raping a 72 year old.

Then at the other end of the spectrum we're being led to believe he's then onto kids.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 12, 2020, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 04:09:59 PM
Then at the other end of the spectrum we're being led to believe he's then onto kids.
Led to believe??  You doubt the convictions for both child abuse and rape of a 72 year old then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 04:17:55 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 12, 2020, 04:09:31 PM
I am sad that you see it as boasting, Angelo.   I see everything that I post as being as informative as I am able considering the restrictions of having passed much of my findings to OG, especially given as they appear to have taken notice of them.  And at times seem to be working /expanding on what I have instigated.


When people tell lies and continuously put out disinformation, as happens on here quite often, I occasionally feel it is time to step in to adjust the balance a little.  ?{)(**

Sorry if you don't like it.

None of your theories have gone anywhere Sadie.

The Spanish sighting, the Belgian one and the Moroccan one all proven nonsense.  I won't even mention the Romany one or the Irish gypsy for obvious reasons...  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 04:09:59 PM
Then at the other end of the spectrum we're being led to believe he's then onto kids.

Perhaps anyone with the necessary equipment is fair game, irrespective of age
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 12, 2020, 02:24:05 PM
I read that once hes questioned he has the right to see all the evidence and that is why as yet they ahve not questioned him...I doubt I imagined that. You think im wrong but you dont know..

But German laws allow a suspect to access their case file as soon as they are identified, and prosecutors want to prevent Brueckner's legal team from seeing the file until they are ready to charge him. 



I would think that means identified as a suspect

 Not saying you're making it up but I think our media could be misunderstanding German privacy laws about identification.
 Media could also be confusing the legal stages. 'questioned' by who? Could be The judge in an inquisitorial system not police.

 Here's another source. You can be arrested, interrogated by police but you still won't have your case file. You don't have to show up for a police questioning ( ie. tell them to eff off/ keep silent as Bruckner is)  but you would for a judge's questioning.
You get the case file after you're brought before an investigative judge ( which by that time you're charged). That judge then decides if it goes to trial or not. That's how I understand it.

'What should I do if I have been called for questioning?

If the public prosecutor or a court has called you for questioning (Vernehmung), you must attend. If you fail to respond you may be brought before the prosecutor or court by force. If you are called for questioning by the police you are not bound to attend.
 '

'Do I have a right to a lawyer?
Yes, you may consult with a lawyer at any time after
your arrest, even before your interrogation by the police
(see below on how to find a lawyer).

'You will not, however, have access to the case file until
you are brought before the investigative judge. This
must happen the day following your arrest. In principle,
your lawyer will not see the case file before that stage
either but, in some circumstances, s/he may be allowed
to see a document summarising the charges against
you.
It will take approximately a week after your first court
hearing before your lawyer is granted full access to the
case file, which is in German.'

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=3 (https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=3)

https://www.fairtrials.org/wp-content/uploads/Germany-advice-note.pdf (https://www.fairtrials.org/wp-content/uploads/Germany-advice-note.pdf)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 04:09:59 PM
Then at the other end of the spectrum we're being led to believe he's then onto kids.

Sexual sadists. Research that only if you have a strong stomach. They like torture and being in control. They are not that bothered about age, it's more about vulnerability.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 04:24:33 PM
Sexual sadists. Research that only if you have a strong stomach. They like torture and being in control.

Nah,I'll pass.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 04:29:47 PM
Nah,I'll pass.

Probably wise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 04:41:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 03:48:11 PM
The PJ, now the Germans,what hope is there?

That confirms what the Judge said on the podcast. A mistake...this appeal with so little evidence was a very unusual move and now we know why!  Will there be more Misconduct hearings now?

'But while calling the suspect in, police in their letter specified that it had to do with the 'Madeleine McCann missing persons case' and 'personal examination of Christian B'.

The letter would have given Brueckner ample time to destroy any evidence, the report said, quoting experts who consider the police's actions to be a serious mistake.

'This should not have happened and in no way corresponds to the usual procedure in such a sensitive case,' an experienced police officer was quoted as saying.

Police would usually gather information first before approaching a suspect, the report said.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 12, 2020, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 04:06:06 PM
An attraction towards older women might explain why he ended up raping a 72 year old.

It doesn’t explain how he could be called ugly by Tamsin Whatshername.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 12, 2020, 04:48:51 PM
It doesn’t explain how he could be called ugly by Tamsin Whatshername.

Who was that, then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 03:44:50 PM
I hope you're not accusing me of good comments,your standards are slipping.

I think that your comments are often okay.  I can only be sorry that you think otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 05:58:48 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 12, 2020, 04:48:51 PM
It doesn’t explain how he could be called ugly by Tamsin Whatshername.

Yeah but,if he wasn't there it were not him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 03:50:09 PM
I don't think anyone could make this up if they tried.  The Germans are hoping that by going public that someone will come forward with new evidence but I doubt they've missed the boat. All they're going to get is Maddie look-a-like sightings like the ones our very own Sadie loves to boast about.

Just pack it in at attacking Sadie.

I won't Delete your nastiness because the likes of me don't do that to another Moderator.  But don't think that I can't make waves, because I can.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 12, 2020, 04:09:31 PM
I am sad that you see it as boasting, Angelo.   I see everything that I post as being as informative as I am able considering the restrictions of having passed much of my findings to OG, especially given as they appear to have taken notice of them.  And at times seem to be working /expanding on what I have instigated.


When people tell lies and continuously put out disinformation, as happens on here quite often, I occasionally feel it is time to step in to adjust the balance a little.  ?{)(**

Sorry if you don't like it.

Don't worry about it, Sadie.  The abuse of you will stop now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 06:04:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 04:17:55 PM
None of your theories have gone anywhere Sadie.

The Spanish sighting, the Belgian one and the Moroccan one all proven nonsense.  I won't even mention the Romany one or the Irish gypsy for obvious reasons...  @)(++(*

You think that Sadie doesn't have the same rights as you?  But I have probably said enough about this already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 06:06:50 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 04:24:33 PM
Sexual sadists. Research that only if you have a strong stomach. They like torture and being in control. They are not that bothered about age, it's more about vulnerability.

And we won't be having anymore of that on this Forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 12, 2020, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
Who was that, then?

Ugly, spot, spot man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 06:29:53 PM
So I am not allowed to describe a category of offender and their motives?  I didn't detail anything they do.

Not sure what approach to take honestly as I have been accused of glossing over abuse charges recently!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 06:32:38 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 06:29:53 PM
So I am not allowed to describe a category of offender and their motives?  I didn't detail anything they do.

Not sure what approach to take honestly as I have been accused of glossing over abuse charges recently!

Censorship rules on here, I'm afraid. Can't image why certain people are so sensitive that  certain things must be suppressed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 06:41:28 PM

We will not be discussing anything to do with the practices of Paedophiles.  And I cannot begin to understand why any of you would want to.  Unless someone is seriously sick.

Isn't that enough?

However, this is my own personal preference and has never been dictated by Forum Rules or by John.  So take it up with John when I Deleted whatever any of you care to chance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 06:46:10 PM
I'm sure no one wants to discuss the ins and outs of paedophilia, but I don't feel the subject be totally taboo.
It certainly exists and may well have played a major part in this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 06:46:10 PM
I'm sure no one wants to discuss the ins and outs of paedophilia, but I don't feel the subject be totally taboo.
It certainly exists and may well have played a major part in this case.

It does if this German is supposed to be involved,but seeing as he isn't I don't think it does.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 06:50:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 06:47:51 PM
It does if this German is supposed to be involved,but seeing as he isn't I don't think it does.

Even if this guy is not involved, it doesn't mean the paedophilia isn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 06:41:28 PM
We will not be discussing anything to do with the practices of Paedophiles.  And I cannot begin to understand why any of you would want to.  Unless someone is seriously sick.

Isn't that enough?

However, this is my own personal preference and has never been dictated by Forum Rules or by John.  So take it up with John when I Deleted whatever any of you care to chance.

I actually said sadists who don't prefer an age group, which would fit Bruckner but yep whatever. It's going to be hard to describe Bruckner's charges now issn't it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 12, 2020, 06:53:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 11:56:31 AM
And the Germans are blaming the Portuguese for dragging their feet, whereas the Portuguese are saying that the Germans haven't requested ant assistance.

We know this guy exists and we know he lived, worked and socialised around Praia da Luz.  He is remembered by people in the area.

Why is it beyond the wit of the Portuguese to do some basic preliminary investigations of their own without waiting for specific letters of  requests from the Germans?

The Portuguese own the case in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 06:57:18 PM
Perhaps they are not prepared to act on rumour and hearsay
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 06:57:18 PM
Perhaps they are not prepared to act on rumour and hearsay

If only they'd read the brit rags,it would be all over.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 12, 2020, 07:03:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 06:47:51 PM
It does if this German is supposed to be involved,but seeing as he isn't I don't think it does.
Can you tell me how you know for certain that this German is not involved?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
You can leave out the "Presumed."  Unless you think they don't have this Right before they have been Charged.

The McCanns have never been Charged, or even Arrested.

I am so very tired of these silly word games.  Most of whom indulge aren't even very good at it.

Those who change the wording and therefore the meaning are the ones playing word games in my opinion. The words 'charged' and 'presumed' aren't there for no reason imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 06:46:10 PM
I'm sure no one wants to discuss the ins and outs of paedophilia, but I don't feel the subject be totally taboo.
It certainly exists and may well have played a major part in this case.

It is Taboo on this Forum on my watch.  There is absolutely no reason to discuss it in even the slightest degree.
And I am not having it.

Or perhaps you don't know that some Members have tried.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 07:14:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 06:47:51 PM
It does if this German is supposed to be involved,but seeing as he isn't I don't think it does.

Space after Comma.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 07:14:34 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 06:50:56 PM
Even if this guy is not involved, it doesn't mean the paedophilia isn't.

Agreed,but I just don't see it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 07:12:58 PM
It is Taboo on this Forum on my watch.  There is absolutely no reason to discuss it in even the slightest degree.
And I am not having it.

Or perhaps you don't know that some Members have tried.

I am perfectly aware that your heavy hand suppresses discussion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2020, 07:15:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 07:14:20 PM
Space after Comma.

Never saw that quote from Gagarin.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 07:17:08 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 12, 2020, 06:51:24 PM
I actually said sadists who don't prefer an age group, which would fit Bruckner but yep whatever. It's going to be hard to describe Bruckner's charges now issn't it?

The Media will do that.  We don't need to talk about this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 12, 2020, 07:17:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 07:15:53 PM
Never saw that quote from Gagarin.

One giant semi-colon for mankind
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 07:11:06 PM
Those who change the wording and therefore the meaning are the ones playing word games in my opinion. The words 'charged' and 'presumed' aren't there for no reason imo.

But they don't actually mean anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 12, 2020, 07:31:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 07:12:58 PM
It is Taboo on this Forum on my watch.  There is absolutely no reason to discuss it in even the slightest degree.
And I am not having it.

Or perhaps you don't know that some Members have tried.

Gerry was saying paedos had taken her from the start. He was the first to mention them in this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 12, 2020, 06:46:10 PM
I'm sure no one wants to discuss the ins and outs of paedophilia, but I don't feel the subject be totally taboo.
It certainly exists and may well have played a major part in this case.

Good point... I agreed with El’s sentiments but there’s a distinction between discussing their practices and discussing the issue... and I’m saying that as someone whose very close female relative was abused at a young age 😪
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 12, 2020, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 12, 2020, 07:31:05 PM
Gerry was saying paedos had taken her from the start. He was the first to mention them in this case.

...and Kate was screaming about "the f..king b........s"

Somehow she knew there was more than one of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 12, 2020, 07:31:05 PM
Gerry was saying paedos had taken her from the start. He was the first to mention them in this case.

It is the details that I'm not having.  But you know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 12, 2020, 07:42:50 PM
...and Kate was screaming about "the f....ing b......s"

Somehow she knew there was more than one of them.

What a terrible fibber you are.  Nasty Person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 07:47:59 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 12, 2020, 07:41:15 PM
Good point... I agreed with El’s sentiments but there’s a distinction between discussing their practices and discussing the issue... and I’m saying that as someone whose very close female relative was abused at a young age 😪

Thank You.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 12, 2020, 11:15:33 PM
Madeleine McCann: Family lawyer urges British, German and Portuguese police to stop squabbling
Rogerio Alves told Sky News the German prosecutor should tell Madeleine McCann's parents what evidence he has that she is dead.

Martin Brunt
Madeleine McCann's family lawyer has urged the three police forces investigating her disappearance to stop squabbling between themselves.

Rogerio Alves told Sky News: "This is not the Champions League between police departments. We are wasting time and we are spreading energy instead of co-operating."

There appears to be increasing tension between the German, Portuguese and British police about who knew what and when about the new prime suspect Christian B, who is being held in a prison near Hamburg.

McCann family lawyer thinks police are wasting time
The Portuguese police say his name was on a list of hundreds of potential suspects handed to the Metropolitan Police in 2012 when the force was preparing its own investigation, but Scotland Yard didn't act on the information.

A German prosecutor insists he has evidence Madeleine is dead and has launched a murder investigation, while Scotland Yard says it still considers Madeleine a missing person.

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The German prosecutor also suggested the Portuguese authorities still held her parents Kate and Gerry - who they once considered suspects - responsible for her disappearance. And he said relations with the Portuguese were "cumbersome".

Mr Alves said: "It would be a much stronger investigation if everybody is pushing from the same side. I don't even like to talk about the danger of competition in police because there is something much more important that has to be considered.

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"We are civilised countries, we are looking for the truth. So that kind of competition between police has to stop immediately if it really exists."

Sky News asked Mr Alves if he thinks the German prosecutor should tell the McCanns what evidence he has that their daughter is dead, as they cling to the hope she may still be found alive.

Rogerio Alves told Sky News: "This is not the Champions League between police departments."
Rogerio Alves told Sky News: 'This is not the Champions League between police departments'
He said: "I do. For the family it was a shock, although they realise that Madeleine, you know, anything can happen in 13 years.

"But the fact that the prosecutor is saying so strongly that she is dead, I think that he shouldn't say it without proving and demonstrating why he's saying what he's saying.

murder
"This is a crime, a public crime, a notorious crime, but they remain the father and the mother - they more than anyone want to know what happened.

"They are entitled, they have the right to know what happened with priority, especially when we are arguing that their daughter is dead."

The German prosecutor in Braunschweig has said he does not have enough hard evidence to charge Christian, a former drifter and bar worker, and has appealed to the public for more information about him and his vehicles.

At the time Madeleine vanished from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, the suspect had been living on the Algarve coast for many years.

Mobile telephone data appears to put him close to the apartment an hour before she disappeared and the next day he re-registered his car in another man's name.

How events unfolded in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

The suspect is also said to have confessed to a man in a bar that he abducted Madeleine.

Christian B is currently serving sentences in Kiel jail for drugs offences and the rape of an elderly American woman in the Algarve in 2005.

The prosecutor says there is compelling circumstantial case against the suspect and if he finds enough firm evidence to charge him he will stand trial in Germany.

Mr Alves said he may push for a trial in Portugal and added: "I'm absolutely sure that the Portuguese police will do everything they can to get to the truth."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 13, 2020, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 12, 2020, 04:17:55 PM
None of your theories have gone anywhere Sadie.

The Spanish sighting, the Belgian one and the Moroccan one all proven nonsense.  I won't even mention the Romany one or the Irish gypsy for obvious reasons...  @)(++(*

Oh, the Spanish sighting, the Romany sighting and the Irish sighting ?  What are they all about?  News to me.

Cite please Angelo for all three.

TY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 13, 2020, 12:41:04 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 12, 2020, 05:58:54 PM
Just pack it in at attacking Sadie.

I won't Delete your nastiness because the likes of me don't do that to another Moderator.  But don't think that I can't make waves, because I can.

Thank you Ellie

Thank you Erngath
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2020, 08:23:14 AM
A detail from a report about Brückner’s in today’s Times struck me as most disturbing and indicative of the type of person we are dealing with here:

“Officers who searched a dilapidated former factory owned by Brückner outside Neuwegersleben, southeast of Hanover, discovered dead dogs across the site, some buried so that only their heads protruded”. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 13, 2020, 08:25:55 AM
That was the week that was,still no charges,won't be long now with the lead investigators, the brit press hard on his case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2020, 09:05:04 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 13, 2020, 08:25:55 AM
That was the week that was,still no charges,won't be long now with the lead investigators, the brit press hard on his case.
It’s really very childish IMO to expect it all to have been done and dusted in a week.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 09:37:56 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2020, 08:23:14 AM
A detail from a report about Brückner’s in today’s Times struck me as most disturbing and indicative of the type of person we are dealing with here:

“Officers who searched a dilapidated former factory owned by Brückner outside Neuwegersleben, southeast of Hanover, discovered dead dogs across the site, some buried so that only their heads protruded”.

If true that is a singularly horrendous indication of extreme cruelty.  I've never heard of anything like that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
If anyone thought that the emergence of news that a paedophile and rapist was known to have been in close proximity to Apartment 5A the night Madeleine went missing would somehow bring to an end the campaign against the McCanns then clearly they were sadly mistaken.  Either he is a victim himself (of media smears probably  engineered by the McCanns) or he was working for the McCanns on a body disposal job, seems to be the sceptic explanation. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2020, 10:12:59 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 09, 2020, 05:03:10 PM
No that’s feeble. The dogs don’t lie and research shows them to be highly accurate . If they are irrelevant and they false alert all over the place then statistically the chances of false alerts to items linked to only one family would be millions to one surely... and we’re talking two dogs not one! There has to be a better explanation than “irrelevant” I’m afraid in order to explain what would be an implausible and statistically nigh on impossible coincidence. I’m afraid for me there must be a scientific explanation out there.

there is an explanation and i have supplied it several times
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 10:47:39 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 09, 2020, 05:03:10 PM
No that’s feeble. The dogs don’t lie and research shows them to be highly accurate . If they are irrelevant and they false alert all over the place then statistically the chances of false alerts to items linked to only one family would be millions to one surely... and we’re talking two dogs not one! There has to be a better explanation than “irrelevant” I’m afraid in order to explain what would be an implausible and statistically nigh on impossible coincidence. I’m afraid for me there must be a scientific explanation out there.

They are not highly accurate at all.  They yap all over the place due to contamination.  Death is part and parcel of everyday life and all around us.  All this has been explained numerous times with reliable supporting evidence as follows:

The properties the dogs searched contained a high level of second hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture.

Page 25:

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2020, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 10:47:39 AM
They are not highly accurate at all.  They yap all over the place due to contamination.  Death is part and parcel of everyday life and all around us.  All this has been explained numerous times with reliable supporting evidence as follows:

The properties the dogs searched contained a high level of second hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture.

Page 25:

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

Keela only alerts to blood dried in situ wheras Eddie alerts to any old blood. This is in Grimes statement. That means that if Eddie alerts but Keela doesnt ..cadaverine is not confirmed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 13, 2020, 11:12:54 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
If anyone thought that the emergence of news that a paedophile and rapist was known to have been in close proximity to Apartment 5A the night Madeleine went missing would somehow bring to an end the campaign against the McCanns then clearly they were sadly mistaken.  Either he is a victim himself (of media smears probably  engineered by the McCanns) or he was working for the McCanns on a body disposal job, seems to be the sceptic explanation.

I thought he wasn't a rapist until after 2007?

And how close to 5a was he exactly?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 11:24:23 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 10:47:39 AM
They are not highly accurate at all.  They yap all over the place due to contamination.  Death is part and parcel of everyday life and all around us.  All this has been explained numerous times with reliable supporting evidence as follows:

The properties the dogs searched contained a high level of second hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture.

Page 25:

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

Was there any second hand furniture in 5a ?
Was there any second hand furniture in any of the other apartments where Eddie didn’t alert ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 11:35:55 AM
'Mr Alves said: "It would be a much stronger investigation if everybody is pushing from the same side. I don't even like to talk about the danger of competition in police because there is something much more important that has to be considered.'

How can PJ and Met agree with the German police if they haven't seen this evidence...or thought the evidence isn't evidence of much?  Also sounds to me like the McCanns want their hands on the evidence before the other party involved has seen the evidence in Germany. I don't think it works like that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 11:35:55 AM
'Mr Alves said: "It would be a much stronger investigation if everybody is pushing from the same side. I don't even like to talk about the danger of competition in police because there is something much more important that has to be considered.'

How can PJ and Met agree with the German police if they haven't seen this evidence...or thought the evidence isn't evidence of much?  Also sounds to me like the McCanns want their hands on the evidence before the other party involved has seen the evidence in Germany. I don't think it works like that.

If the police said your child was dead ... wouldn't you want to know exactly on what they were basing that? 

Your bias against the parents of a missing child is nothing short of extraordinary and does you no favours ... in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 11:49:34 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 11:24:23 AM
Was there any second hand furniture in 5a ?
Was there any second hand furniture in any of the other apartments where Eddie didn’t alert ?

This has been covered here in-depth in terms of the owner of 5A dying towards the end of 2006.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
If the police said your child was dead ... wouldn't you want to know exactly on what they were basing that? 

Your bias against the parents of a missing child is nothing short of extraordinary and does you no favours ... in my opinion.

I observed what seems to be going on from the lawyers statements, if the McCanns want the files before charges are brought it may not be possible in German law.

 Germany is either withholding evidence from Scotland Yard...or
Scotland Yard have seen what they have and don't draw the same conclusion from the evidence which they could relay to the family couldn't they?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 11:55:36 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 11:35:55 AM
'Mr Alves said: "It would be a much stronger investigation if everybody is pushing from the same side. I don't even like to talk about the danger of competition in police because there is something much more important that has to be considered.'

How can PJ and Met agree with the German police if they haven't seen this evidence...or thought the evidence isn't evidence of much?  Also sounds to me like the McCanns want their hands on the evidence before the other party involved has seen the evidence in Germany. I don't think it works like that.

It seems very undiplomatic for the Germans to accuse their counterparts in Southern Europe of being slow with France and UK on the ball or words to this effect.  I'm not buying into it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 13, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
well them all working together is out the window as some think they are.

It is a joke an embarrassment IMO. - has OG got the money yet to be involved in this farce?

Wonder how many hundreds more they have to go through.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-family-lawyer-urges-british-german-and-portuguese-police-to-stop-squabbling-12005556


snippppppppppp
The Portuguese police say his name was on a list of hundreds of potential suspects handed to the Metropolitan Police in 2012 when the force was preparing its own investigation, but Scotland Yard didn't act on the information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 11:55:36 AM
It seems very undiplomatic for the Germans to accuse their counterparts in Southern Europe of being slow with France and UK on the ball or words to this effect.  I'm not buying into it.

Yep, If the other 2 forces haven't seen the evidence how can they be expected to have the same conclusion as the German police? yet Germany is just choosing to slate the PJ and not the Met for being non-committal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 11:51:06 AM
I observed what seems to be going on from the lawyers statements, if the McCanns want the files before charges are brought it may not be possible in German law.

 Germany is either withholding evidence from Scotland Yard...or
Scotland Yard have seen what they have and don't draw the same conclusion from the evidence which they could relay to the family couldn't they?

This is why the family should have been investigated to rule them out because sharing files with them would be a serious legal mistake. Does anyone remember CM telling us that the CEOP agency were sharing information with him? I was so incensed that I wrote to them about how inappropriate this was. After passing my email further up the hierarchy they denied that they did share information with CM. So either he was lying... or they were imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
This is why the family should have been investigated to rule them out because sharing files with them would be a serious legal mistake. Does anyone remember CM telling us that the CEOP agency were sharing information with him? I was so incensed that I wrote to them about how inappropriate this was. After passing my email further up the hierarchy they denied that they did share information with CM. So either he was lying... or they were imo.

There are definitely problems around the whole CEOP thing IMO...but with regards to the McCanns getting the evidence file the Germans have, I don't think it's possible until he's been charged and they would become legal accessories to the prosecution and have special rights as relatives of the victim. As they don't have enough evidence to charge Bruckner now, it really won't happen until then as far as I can see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 13, 2020, 12:36:54 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 12, 2020, 04:48:51 PM
It doesn’t explain how he could be called ugly by Tamsin Whatshername.
It appears his shaving cuts are what made him ugly to Tasmin.  Probably she would have a negative mindset about him anyhow, seeing him peering into her grandmas old home and also seeing him watching 5A.  That would be offensive to her.

Only IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 12:44:00 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
This is why the family should have been investigated to rule them out because sharing files with them would be a serious legal mistake. Does anyone remember CM telling us that the CEOP agency were sharing information with him? I was so incensed that I wrote to them about how inappropriate this was. After passing my email further up the hierarchy they denied that they did share information with CM. So either he was lying... or they were imo.
  Who is CM ??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 13, 2020, 12:52:44 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 12:44:00 PM
  Who is CM ??

Have you forgot about Clarence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 13, 2020, 12:55:22 PM
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable - even though it is IMO.

https://www.portugalresident.com/maddie-is-dead-say-german-police-but-we-need-evidence/

snip

And television commentators have been quick to question the solidity of the case being constructed around him.

Certainly he sounds despicable, but after reports started linking him to other child disappearances, both here and in Germany, pundits threw their hands up in exasperation.

“It’s the same every year,” crime commentator Hernâni Carvalho said on popular chat show ‘Cristina’, suggesting the current media circus will lead to nothing “as have all the others”.

“He’s a pedophile with a criminal record who was in Praia da Luz when the child went missing. So what? There were lots of them around then…” he said.

Two aspects of the media’s ‘feeding frenzy’ have received scant attention.

One is that the funding of ‘Operation Grange’ – the British led police investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, which has already spent well over £11 million – has run dry. Scotland Yard is waiting to hear whether a new request for more money will be granted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 13, 2020, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
If the police said your child was dead ... wouldn't you want to know exactly on what they were basing that? 

Your bias against the parents of a missing child is nothing short of extraordinary and does you no favours ... in my opinion.

With out establishing the culprit,this could be sensitive information only the killer would know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 11:51:06 AM
I observed what seems to be going on from the lawyers statements, if the McCanns want the files before charges are brought it may not be possible in German law.

 Germany is either withholding evidence from Scotland Yard...or
Scotland Yard have seen what they have and don't draw the same conclusion from the evidence which they could relay to the family couldn't they?

They want to know what evidence there is that Madeleine was murdered.  Don't you think they or anyone else in similar circumstances are entitled to be told.
They do not want access to police files ... they want to know why the police are saying what they are saying about their daughter.

I don't find that at all surprising ... nor I imagine would the majority of people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:10:48 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 13, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
well them all working together is out the window as some think they are.

It is a joke an embarrassment IMO. - has OG got the money yet to be involved in this farce?

Wonder how many hundreds more they have to go through.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-family-lawyer-urges-british-german-and-portuguese-police-to-stop-squabbling-12005556


snippppppppppp
The Portuguese police say his name was on a list of hundreds of potential suspects handed to the Metropolitan Police in 2012 when the force was preparing its own investigation, but Scotland Yard didn't act on the information.

A British police source confirmed that Brueckner was a ‘person of interest’ at the start of Operation Grange, but there was insufficient evidence to make him a suspect.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8416013/Bungling-local-Madeleine-McCann-officers-froze-says-UK-detective.html

Which is probably why the Portuguese allowed him to walk previously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:06:16 PM
They want to know what evidence there is that Madeleine was murdered.  Don't you think they or anyone else in similar circumstances are entitled to be told.
They do not want access to police files ... they want to know why the police are saying what they are saying about their daughter.

I don't find that at all surprising ... nor I imagine would the majority of people.

 If they just want to know what the evidence is why can't the Met tell them? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:17:23 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 13, 2020, 12:52:44 PM
Have you forgot about Clarence.

Using initials to illustrate points snatched from thin air is counter productive.  But now you mention it ... please provide a cite for what you say Clarence Mitchell claimed.  Thank you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 13, 2020, 01:05:24 PM
With out establishing the culprit,this could be sensitive information only the killer would know.

Then that should be explained to her distraught parents don't you think.

I wouldn't like to learn an unsubstantiated claim such as this regarding my daughter from tabloid headlines.  I take it you wouldn't mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 01:15:32 PM
If they just want to know what the evidence is why can't the Met tell them?

If Scotland Yard or the Judicial police had prior knowledge of what the Germans are alleging ... Madeleine's family would know already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 01:34:02 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:26:27 PM
If Scotland Yard or the Judicial police had prior knowledge of what the Germans are alleging ... Madeleine's family would know already.

So the Germans are refusing to share evidence with SY and by way of that the victims family. It's utterly bizarre....unless the Germans are sitting on it to cover up their mistakes and the evidence is severely lacking.
   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 01:35:39 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 11:49:34 AM
This has been covered here in-depth in terms of the owner of 5A dying towards the end of 2006.

The owner of 5a’s husband died in hospital and I’m not sure it was even while they were living at 5a...of course if you know better I’m not too proud to be corrected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 01:34:02 PM
So the Germans are refusing to share evidence with SY and by way of that the victims family. It's utterly bizarre....unless the Germans are sitting on it to cover up their mistakes and the evidence is severely lacking.
 

Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria are keeping Madeleine's family in the loop ... the German police are not party to those understandings and at the moment this is a German investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2020, 01:56:58 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 13, 2020, 11:12:54 AM
I thought he wasn't a rapist until after 2007?

And how close to 5a was he exactly?
Perhaps you should re-read the news reports, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria are keeping Madeleine's family in the loop ... the German police are not party to those understandings and at the moment this is a German investigation.

I really can't believe that. There's nothing to stop the Germans telling Scotland Y we have XYZ evidence and we're sure because ABC..... so they could pass it onto the family. why on earth would SY agree to do a joint appeal with a force that wouldn't even summarise what evidence they have?

The only answer for me, is that Scotland yard have been told the gist of the evidence and have not found it much use.....

''The force said it remained a "missing persons" investigation because it does not have "definitive evidence" as to whether Madeleine is alive or not.''
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 01:35:39 PM
The owner of 5a’s husband died in hospital and I’m not sure it was even while they were living at 5a...of course if you know better I’m not too proud to be corrected.

Yes I appreciate that but the potential for contamination still exists.

In order to rule out contamination it would be necessary to carry out a complete audit on all fixtures, fittings and contents. 

The odour is highly transferable by way of items from one place to another.  It clearly lingers and is highly transferable as per the police report into the case of Shannon Matthews.

I bet if those mutts were let lose in charity shops, containing a lot of second hand items from the deceased, they would go ballistic.

I often take items into those places and hold my breath while doing so as the stench makes me want to heave: the scent of death  $6(&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 13, 2020, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:17:23 PM
Using initials to illustrate points snatched from thin air is counter productive.  But now you mention it ... please provide a cite for what you say Clarence Mitchell claimed.  Thank you


Who me provide a site for what- a site who CM was fgs

You asked who CM  - obvious to me Clarence Mitchel - but seems not to you.

I haven't claimed  CM claimed anything - it seems like you will have to backtrack instead of giving orders
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 02:13:07 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria are keeping Madeleine's family in the loop ... the German police are not party to those understandings and at the moment this is a German investigation.

Given OG's stance on the case it would seem somewhat of an indictment if the McCanns were without FLO's given the media coverage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
Yes I appreciate that but the potential for contamination still exists.

In order to rule out contamination it would be necessary to carry out a complete audit on all fixtures, fittings and contents. 

The odour is highly transferable by way of items from one place to another.  It clearly lingers and is highly transferable as per the police report into the case of Shannon Matthews.

I bet if those mutts were let lose in charity shops, containing a lot of second hand items from the deceased, they would go ballistic.

I often take items into those places and hold my breath while doing so as the stench makes me want to heave: the scent of death  $6(&

 This is sort of off topic but weren't all the apartments furnished with matching furniture?  So it is highly likely that it came from one supplier and could be traced. Unless it was 2nd hand furniture from a nursing home or something, then you could have a problem with transference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
Yes I appreciate that but the potential for contamination still exists.

In order to rule out contamination it would be necessary to carry out a complete audit on all fixtures, fittings and contents. 

The odour is highly transferable by way of items from one place to another.  It clearly lingers and is highly transferable as per the police report into the case of Shannon Matthews.

I bet if those mutts were let lose in charity shops, containing a lot of second hand items from the deceased, they would go ballistic.

I often take items into those places and hold my breath while doing so as the stench makes me want to heave: the scent of death  $6(&

To believe that you’d have to also believe that Murat’s and all the other apartments that Eddie visited but didn’t alert in were devoid of second hand furniture or had a connection to someone who had died.

So Eddie, wrongly, alerted in the only apartment with second hand furniture, that had a connection to a dead person and that a child, now feared dead, had disappeared from ? Is that really what you believe ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 13, 2020, 02:10:38 PM

Who me provide a site for what- a site who CM was fgs

You asked who CM  - obvious to me Clarence Mitchel - but seems not to you.

I haven't claimed  CM claimed anything - it seems like you will have to backtrack instead of giving orders

You have posted that Clarence Mitchell was given files by CEOP which was denied.
Snip
Does anyone remember CM telling us that the CEOP agency were sharing information with him? I was so incensed that I wrote to them about how inappropriate this was. After passing my email further up the hierarchy they denied that they did share information with CM. So either he was lying... or they were imo.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg599390#msg599390

As per forum rules ... I have requested a cite to substantiate your allegation.  That request still stands.  Thank you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 03:09:53 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 02:32:00 PM
To believe that you’d have to also believe that Murat’s and all the other apartments that Eddie visited but didn’t alert in were devoid of second hand furniture or had a connection to someone who had died.

So Eddie, wrongly, alerted in the only apartment with second hand furniture, that had a connection to a dead person and that a child, now feared dead, had disappeared from ? Is that really what you believe ?

Based on the police report into the dog alerts re the case of Shannon Matthews yes.

The odour is highly transferrable.  To rule out contamination it would be necessary to carry out a complete audit on all items in the vicinity the dogs alerted to. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 03:11:52 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 03:09:53 PM
Based on the police report into the dog alerts re the case of Shannon Matthews yes.

The odour is highly transferrable.  To rule out contamination it would be necessary to carry out a complete audit on all items in the vicinity the dogs alerted to.

Do you rule out old furniture etc in the apartments where Eddie didn’t alert ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 03:11:59 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 01:59:08 PM
I really can't believe that. There's nothing to stop the Germans telling Scotland Y we have XYZ evidence and we're sure because ABC..... so they could pass it onto the family. why on earth would SY agree to do a joint appeal with a force that wouldn't even summarise what evidence they have?

The only answer for me, is that Scotland yard have been told the gist of the evidence and have not found it much use.....

''The force said it remained a "missing persons" investigation because it does not have "definitive evidence" as to whether Madeleine is alive or not.''

Quite.  So really nothing has changed as far as Scotland Yard are concerned.  I'm not prepared to speculate on the reason for that but no doubt there is one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 03:18:42 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 02:16:46 PM
This is sort of off topic but weren't all the apartments furnished with matching furniture?  So it is highly likely that it came from one supplier and could be traced. Unless it was 2nd hand furniture from a nursing home or something, then you could have a problem with transference.

It has all been done to death already.  All it would have taken for transference would have been for one of the policemen in attendance with the dogs to have been at the scene of a fatal RTA ...  and Bob's your uncle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2020, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 01:59:08 PM
I really can't believe that. There's nothing to stop the Germans telling Scotland Y we have XYZ evidence and we're sure because ABC..... so they could pass it onto the family. why on earth would SY agree to do a joint appeal with a force that wouldn't even summarise what evidence they have?

The only answer for me, is that Scotland yard have been told the gist of the evidence and have not found it much use.....

''The force said it remained a "missing persons" investigation because it does not have "definitive evidence" as to whether Madeleine is alive or not.''
Definitive evidence is another way of saying proof.  They could (for eg) have a picture of a person with its eyes closed and covered in blood and injuries but that would not be definitive evidence that the person in the picture was dead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2020, 03:21:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 03:18:42 PM
It has all been done to death already.  All it would have taken for transference would have been for one of the policemen in attendance with the dogs to have been at the scene of a fatal RTA ...  and Bob's your uncle.
Or a psychopath with a penchant for murder and trophy-keeping.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 03:26:12 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 03:18:42 PM
It has all been done to death already.  All it would have taken for transference would have been for one of the policemen in attendance with the dogs to have been at the scene of a fatal RTA ...  and Bob's your uncle.

Bit of a coincidence.

I would assume the same policeman would have visited all the apartments with Grime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 13, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
You have posted that Clarence Mitchell was given files by CEOP which was denied.
Snip
Does anyone remember CM telling us that the CEOP agency were sharing information with him? I was so incensed that I wrote to them about how inappropriate this was. After passing my email further up the hierarchy they denied that they did share information with CM. So either he was lying... or they were imo.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg599390#msg599390

As per forum rules ... I have requested a cite to substantiate your allegation.  That request still stands.  Thank you

You are not only wrong your very very wrong - go back AND LOOK that is not my post B
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 03:36:02 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 13, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
You are not only wrong your very very wrong - go back AND LOOK that is not my post B

I do apologise.  But all you had to do was say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 13, 2020, 03:52:13 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 03:36:02 PM
I do apologise.  But all you had to do was say.

No worries B - but I did say post 1950 a couple of hours ago. top of this page


I haven't claimed  CM claimed anything - it seems like you will have to backtrack instead of giving orders
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 13, 2020, 07:38:57 PM
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-madeleine-mccann-satellite-picture.html
This is Heri’s latest post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
You have posted that Clarence Mitchell was given files by CEOP which was denied.
Snip
Does anyone remember CM telling us that the CEOP agency were sharing information with him? I was so incensed that I wrote to them about how inappropriate this was. After passing my email further up the hierarchy they denied that they did share information with CM. So either he was lying... or they were imo.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg599390#msg599390

As per forum rules ... I have requested a cite to substantiate your allegation.  That request still stands.  Thank you

Which allegation are you referring to? It was CM himself on national news in the UK who claimed he was privy to CEOP information - it was in relation to the Tannerman sighting as best I can remember and he implied that he had been told that a paedophile was likely responsible for the abduction. I was personally told (via an email from CEOP) that they did not share information with CM. Their response came after I complained in writing that sharing information with a PR man during an on-going criminal investigation was wholly inappropriate. I said if CEOP had any information about paedophile activity in PDL then they should only share it with the Police not CM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 07:51:48 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 13, 2020, 07:38:57 PM
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-madeleine-mccann-satellite-picture.html
This is Heri’s latest post.

Not sure what he’s trying to prove.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2020, 08:02:16 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 07:51:48 PM
Not sure what he’s trying to prove.

I expect the tabloids will explain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 13, 2020, 08:09:26 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 07:51:48 PM
Not sure what he’s trying to prove.

Trying to prove that this Renault is of some significance, I imagine
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 13, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 07:51:48 PM
Not sure what he’s trying to prove.
I don’t think he is trying to prove anything. As an experienced criminologist with all the credentials, Heri puts relevant information to the fore to be considered by the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 13, 2020, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 13, 2020, 08:09:26 PM
Trying to prove that this Renault is of some significance, I imagine

I predict bringing in another innocent person to get crucified by the rags. If he doesn't know who the purple woman is god help him!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 13, 2020, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 13, 2020, 08:09:26 PM
Trying to prove that this Renault is of some significance, I imagine
Since Brückner was dealing in cars, is it not possible that he used vehicles not associated with him? The vehicle Heri mentions in the neighbor’s property and the timeline he provides, may well be of significance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 07:49:59 PM
Which allegation are you referring to? It was CM himself on national news in the UK who claimed he was privy to CEOP information - it was in relation to the Tannerman sighting as best I can remember and he implied that he had been told that a paedophile was likely responsible for the abduction. I was personally told (via an email from CEOP) that they did not share information with CM. Their response came after I complained in writing that sharing information with a PR man during an on-going criminal investigation was wholly inappropriate. I said if CEOP had any information about stranger abduction activity in PDL then they should only share it with the Police not CM.

Here are Clarence Mitchell's exact words:

‘I’ve also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre, before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it.’
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 07:49:59 PM
Which allegation are you referring to? It was CM himself on national news in the UK who claimed he was privy to CEOP information - it was in relation to the Tannerman sighting as best I can remember and he implied that he had been told that a paedophile was likely responsible for the abduction. I was personally told (via an email from CEOP) that they did not share information with CM. Their response came after I complained in writing that sharing information with a PR man during an on-going criminal investigation was wholly inappropriate. I said if CEOP had any information about paedophile activity in PDL then they should only share it with the Police not CM.
A cite is required for the allegation you made that CEOP were sharing information with Clarence Mitchell.  Please provide one.  Thank you

Does anyone remember CM telling us that the CEOP agency were sharing information with him?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg599390#msg599390
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 13, 2020, 08:43:19 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 13, 2020, 08:33:43 PM
Since Brückner was dealing in cars, is it not possible that he used vehicles not associated with him? The vehicle Heri mentions in the neighbor’s property and the timeline he provides, may well be of significance.

Maybe but first you will need to find it and identify the owner. Then prove conclusively that it had anything to do with Bruecker.
Good luck with that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 13, 2020, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 13, 2020, 01:59:08 PM
I really can't believe that. There's nothing to stop the Germans telling Scotland Y we have XYZ evidence and we're sure because ABC..... so they could pass it onto the family. why on earth would SY agree to do a joint appeal with a force that wouldn't even summarise what evidence they have?

The only answer for me, is that Scotland yard have been told the gist of the evidence and have not found it much use.....

''The force said it remained a "missing persons" investigation because it does not have "definitive evidence" as to whether Madeleine is alive or not.''


We have to accept the fact that IF the German police had evidence the monster would be charged already!
re evidence of MBMs death this may be a supposition on their part.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 08:46:30 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 13, 2020, 07:38:57 PM
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-madeleine-mccann-satellite-picture.html
This is Heri’s latest post.

That is an interesting one and it coincides with Scotland Yard's review and the Oporto PJ shortly after, taking a fresh look at Madeleine's case.
Maybe a bit of housekeeping took place when it became known that Madeleine's case was about to become active again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 13, 2020, 08:49:07 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 13, 2020, 02:13:07 PM
Given OG's stance on the case it would seem somewhat of an indictment if the McCanns were without FLO's given the media coverage.

I find the families attitude to be underwhelming..

It seems they are not convinced and perhaps concerned that one police force saying MBM is dead the other saying missing until evidence is found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 13, 2020, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 13, 2020, 08:43:19 PM
Maybe but first you will need to find it and identify the owner. Then prove conclusively that it had anything to do with Bruecker.
Good luck with that

So , what we have is a  vile creature who deals in cars/drugs? and MAY well have  used hot cars for all manner of crimes. He does have a rap sheet!

Does it make him guilty  of abduction-No!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 09:11:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 08:33:49 PM
Here are Clarence Mitchell's exact words:

‘I’ve also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre, before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it.’

I found it myself, thank you, which is just as well because you still haven't.  It doesn't really reflect the tone of your post either though, does it?

Snip
Maddie’s parents ‘not suspects’
Wednesday 30 Jan 2008
British police don’t suspect the McCanns
British police and child protection officers do not suspect Madeleine McCann’s parents of involvement in her disappearance, the couple’s spokesman said.
Clarence Mitchell said officials had assured him in private briefings that they were treating the case as one of “rare stranger abduction”. He was speaking as he launched an outspoken attack on the “appalling” standards of some media coverage over the disappearance of Kate and Gerry McCann’s daughter in Portugal in May. Mr Mitchell, who acted as the couple’s spokesman shortly after Madeleine went missing and reprised this role four-and-a-half months ago, said he was completely convinced of their innocence.
He told a packed theatre: “I have never once seen or heard anything from either of them to give me any cause for suspicion in any shape or form. “I have also had briefings privately from the police and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) centre that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it.”

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2008/01/30/maddies-parents-not-suspects-437145/?ito=cbshare
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 09:21:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 09:11:49 PM
I found it myself, thank you, which is just as well because you still haven't.  It doesn't really reflect the tone of your post either though, does it?

Snip
Maddie’s parents ‘not suspects’
Wednesday 30 Jan 2008
British police don’t suspect the McCanns
British police and child protection officers do not suspect Madeleine McCann’s parents of involvement in her disappearance, the couple’s spokesman said.
Clarence Mitchell said officials had assured him in private briefings that they were treating the case as one of “rare stranger abduction”. He was speaking as he launched an outspoken attack on the “appalling” standards of some media coverage over the disappearance of Kate and Gerry McCann’s daughter in Portugal in May. Mr Mitchell, who acted as the couple’s spokesman shortly after Madeleine went missing and reprised this role four-and-a-half months ago, said he was completely convinced of their innocence.
He told a packed theatre: “I have never once seen or heard anything from either of them to give me any cause for suspicion in any shape or form. “I have also had briefings privately from the police and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) centre that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it.”

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2008/01/30/maddies-parents-not-suspects-437145/?ito=cbshare

What do you mean I didn’t find it? I posted the exact quote! My point is that a PR man should not receive private briefings during an active criminal investigation. If the CEOP has evidence of stranger abduction they should share that with the Police not a PR consultant and I wrote (email) at the time to tell them that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 13, 2020, 09:44:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 09:21:45 PM
What do you mean I didn’t find it? I posted the exact quote! My point is that a PR man should not receive private briefings during an active criminal investigation. If the CEOP has evidence of stranger abduction they should share that with the Police not a PR consultant and I wrote (email) at the time to tell them that.

Indeed! Did you get a reply?  Ofcourse it is only words from CM -can he be taken seriously and at his word? IMO No.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2020, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 09:21:45 PM
What do you mean I didn’t find it? I posted the exact quote! My point is that a PR man should not receive private briefings during an active criminal investigation. If the CEOP has evidence of stranger abduction they should share that with the Police not a PR consultant and I wrote (email) at the time to tell them that.

I seem to recall Jim Gamble admitting at one point that he got too close to the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 09:58:22 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 13, 2020, 09:44:22 PM
Indeed! Did you get a reply?  Ofcourse it is only words from CM -can he be taken seriously and at his word? IMO No.

I got three replies. Two that dodged the question. The second of these promised though to send my concern up the organisational hierarchy, Then after that the third reply assured me that they did not give private briefings to PR consultants in on-going criminal cases.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2020, 10:07:34 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 08:33:49 PM
Here are Clarence Mitchell's exact words:

‘I’ve also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre, before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it.’

So its OK for a policeman to write a book but not for  apoliceman to speak to clarence about the case.....that is laughable. It seems you cannot accept that pretty well all your reasoning re the case is totally flawed imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:12:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 13, 2020, 10:07:34 PM
So its OK for a policeman to write a book but not for  apoliceman to speak to clarence about the case.....that is laughable. It seems you cannot accept that pretty well all your reasoning re the case is totally flawed imo.

In an on-going criminal investigation any evidence (of stranger abduction) that the CEOP had (not the Police) should have been handed over to the Police and not a PR consultant.

If the German sex offender had a PR consultant wouldn't you be horrified if professional bodies shared possible evidential information with him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2020, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:12:11 PM
In an on-going criminal investigation any evidence (of stranger abduction) that the CEOP had (not the Police) should have been handed over to the Police and not a PR consultant.

If the German sex offender had a PR consultant wouldn't you be horrified if professional bodies shared possible evidential information with him?

who says evidence was handed over...he was simply told that McCanns were not suspects. The PJ have said the same to the Press a couple of years ago whilst this investigation is still live
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 13, 2020, 10:15:25 PM
who says evidence was handed over...he was simply told that McCanns were not suspects. The PJ have said the same to the Press a couple of years ago whilst this investigation is still live

Not so. He claimed he had private briefings and in these he was told that the CEOP believed it was a case of "stranger abduction" (therby implying the parents weren't involved.

Here's his exact words:

"I've also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre, before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it."

If the CEOP did give CM private briefings on information regarding an on-going criminal investigation then they must have had some evidence to base it on. Their information should therefore have been shared with the Police not a PR consultant!! This would cause huge prejudicial legal problems if a case went to trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:29:03 PM
Not so. He claimed he had private briefings and in these he was told that the CEOP believed it was a case of "stranger abduction" (therby implying the parents weren't involved.

Here's his exact words:

"I've also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre, before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it."

If the CEOP did give CM private briefings on information regarding an on-going criminal investigation then they must have had some evidence to base it on. Their information should therefore have been shared with the Police not a PR consultant!! This would cause huge prejudicial legal problems if a case went to trial.

there is lots ov evidence the parents are not involved...you are just unwilling to accept it. you believe statistics show they are highly probable to be involved...thats absolute rubbish
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:36:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 13, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
there is lots ov evidence the parents are not involved...you are just unwilling to accept it. you believe statistics show they are highly probable to be involved...thats absolute rubbish

Here are his words again!!!

’I've also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre, before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it.’

He doesn't talk about the parents - he talks about stranger abduction. If the CEOP had evidence of stranger abduction they should have shared that with the Police and not a PR consultant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2020, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:36:57 PM
Here are his words again!!!

’I've also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre, before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it.’

He doesn't talk about the parents - he talks about stranger abduction. If the CEOP had evidence of stranger abduction they should have shared that with the Police and not a PR consultant.

perhaps they did...or perhaps the investigation shared it with them. As i have said looking at all the evidence its patently  clear that the McCanns are not involved..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 13, 2020, 10:41:38 PM
perhaps they did...or perhaps the investigation shared it with them. As i have said looking at all the evidence its patently  clear that the McCanns are not involved..

If they did then that's a massive professional error and one that could be considered highly prejudicial should any case go to trial. I work in healthcare we would never share safeguarding concerns with the media or PR consultants. I'm certain the same standards must apply to the CEOP.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2020, 10:51:18 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:36:57 PM
Here are his words again!!!

’I've also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre, before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it.’

He doesn't talk about the parents - he talks about stranger abduction. If the CEOP had evidence of stranger abduction they should have shared that with the Police and not a PR consultant.

It sounds like the British authorities had already decided what crime had been committed by the end of May 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2020, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:49:07 PM
If they did then that's a massive professional error and one that could be considered highly prejudicial should any case go to trial. I work in healthcare we would never share safeguarding concerns with the media or PR consultants. I'm certain the same standards must apply to the CEOP.

I work in healthcare too...I dont see CEOP crossed any lines.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on June 13, 2020, 11:15:42 PM
Whilst I think Herr Brueckner is a credible suspect in this case and should be investigated fully I can't help but feel the timing of the German authorities in this matter could at best be described as opportune. A few days before he is due a parole hearing the authorities decide to release the information that they suspect he was involved in the murder of Madeline McCann. No charges are laid before him, only speculation that he was involved. Currently he is only serving a sentence for drug offences as his conviction for the rape in 2005 is held in abeyance due to the appeal process in Germany. IMO I think the authorities feared he may have been granted parole and then would disappear underground. What better way to prevent his release but to link his name publicly worldwide with the most famous unsolved crime in the world, No parole board in the world would grant parole to anyone in such circumstances. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were to emerge that the evidence the German prosecutor is acting on is the three year old bar room tip off and not new evidence at all. But as I say, IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 09:21:45 PM
What do you mean I didn’t find it? I posted the exact quote! My point is that a PR man should not receive private briefings during an active criminal investigation. If the CEOP has evidence of stranger abduction they should share that with the Police not a PR consultant and I wrote (email) at the time to tell them that.

For future reference; the content is nothing without the provision of a source.  You did not do that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 13, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
I don’t think he is trying to prove anything. As an experienced criminologist with all the credentials, Heri puts relevant information to the fore to be considered by the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance.


I’m surprised you can say that with a straight face.

If an amateur sleuth’s theories are guiding OG’s investigation then they’re in more trouble than we thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2020, 09:52:34 PM
I seem to recall Jim Gamble admitting at one point that he got too close to the McCanns.

Despite it being off topic ~ I know you will have a source for that or else you would not have posted it; please share with the forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 11:41:47 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:30:27 PM
For future reference; the content is nothing without the provision of a source.  You did not do that.

Excuse me - but I stated that it was reported in the UK news media. The date of the LSE event was January 2008. It was widely reported in the mainstream media (TV and all major newspapers in the UK).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:43:47 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:12:11 PM
In an on-going criminal investigation any evidence (of stranger abduction) that the CEOP had (not the Police) should have been handed over to the Police and not a PR consultant.

If the German sex offender had a PR consultant wouldn't you be horrified if professional bodies shared possible evidential information with him?

In 2008 there was no ongoing criminal investigation.  Neither the Brits nor the Portuguese were looking for Madeleine ... only her parents were doing that.

The German prime suspect is in a German jail at the moment serving time for a heinous crime.  Your comparison with Madeleine's parents is risible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:50:36 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 10:29:03 PM
Not so. He claimed he had private briefings and in these he was told that the CEOP believed it was a case of "stranger abduction" (therby implying the parents weren't involved.

Here's his exact words:

"I've also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre, before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it."

If the CEOP did give CM private briefings on information regarding an on-going criminal investigation then they must have had some evidence to base it on. Their information should therefore have been shared with the Police not a PR consultant!! This would cause huge prejudicial legal problems if a case went to trial.

The first time Clarence Mitchell went out there was when he was sent by HM Government, so of course he was officially briefed ... he wasn't in the McCanns employ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 14, 2020, 12:14:21 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:43:47 PM
In 2008 there was no ongoing criminal investigation.  Neither the Brits nor the Portuguese were looking for Madeleine ... only her parents were doing that.

The German prime suspect is in a German jail at the moment serving time for a heinous crime.  Your comparison with Madeleine's parents is risible.

You're making the same error as DaveL. CM's quote is not about the parents it's about CEOP evidence for stranger abduction. I'm not making "a comparison with Madeleine's parents".

I stand by my post. If any professional body had evidence of stranger abduction they should share it with the Police and not PR consultants. It really is that simple. Anything less creates a potential situation that is highly prejudicial, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 02:20:14 AM
Madeleine McCann may still be alive admits German prosecutor who said she was dead
Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Wolters admitted there was no “forensic evidence” to confirm Madeleine McCann was killed by German paedo Christian Brueckner

A top German prosecutor has admitted Madeleine McCann may still be alive – just days after cops told her parents they were “certain” she was dead.

In a startling U-turn, Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Wolters admitted there was no “forensic evidence” to confirm Madeleine's death.

He told the Sunday Mirror his previous claims about her “quick” death were “only personal opinion and speculation”.

He said: “We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be possible.

“I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.

“In Germany it’s more normal we investigate a murder in such a case, so it’s not so important. It’s more normal.”

Asked about saying Madeleine was killed quickly, he said: “That was private opinion and speculation... without facts. I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed.’”

Last night a friend of the McCanns hit out at Wolters for initially saying Madeleine was dead.

They raged: “You shouldn’t say it if you don’t know for a fact.

“They said from the outset they’re treating it as a murder investigation. They shouldn’t have been saying that unless they were damn sure.”

Mr Wolters says there is “90% ­evidence” that convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner was ­behind Madeleine’s ­disappearance – but not enough to charge him with

He added: “I have been a prosecutor 17 years and don’t think I will work on another case as big as this. It’s important we will solve the case."

Despite the German authorities’ stance, UK cops are still treating the investigation as a missing person inquiry.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-admits-22188523
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 14, 2020, 02:52:43 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann abduction showed off his campervan and chillingly boasted 'I can transport kids in this' months before her disappearance
Christian Brueckner allegedly said he could 'transport children' in his campervan
Said to have made comment in village of Foral, 40 miles from Praia da Luz
He is claimed to have said: 'Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you'
By ABUL TAHER FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

PUBLISHED: 22:07, 13 June 2020 | UPDATED: 23:36, 13 June 2020

The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann showed off his campervan just months before she disappeared and boasted: ‘I can transport children in this.’

Christian Brueckner allegedly made the comment to the father of a female friend who lived in the Portuguese village of Foral, about 40 miles from Praia da Luz, the resort from where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.

The 43-year-old sex offender is claimed to have chillingly added: ‘Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you.’

The father – who asked to be referred to only as Dieter F – was visiting his social worker daughter, Nicole, at a villa where she helped to rehabilitate troubled German teenagers in the early part of 2007 when Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates.
Brueckner asked to refill the van with water and recharge the battery, as he had done several times before, and took the opportunity to show Dieter inside.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’

At the time, Dieter thought Brueckner was bragging, but now fears he was outlining his future evil plan. ‘I believe he kidnapped Maddie and brought her out of Portugal in his big van,’ he said.

Dieter said his daughter knew Brueckner in the mid-2000s, but contrary to reports was never romantically involved with him. He was, however, concerned during his visit in early 2007 that Brueckner had designs on Nicole, now 43.

‘At the time, I thought he was interested in my daughter, he was a bad boy. I felt, as a father, my daughter was not safe with such a man,’ he said.

Nicole met Brueckner in 2006 and he visited her at Foral about half a dozen times – either driving the Winnebago or his dark-coloured Jaguar – until she returned to Germany in 2010.

Dieter hopes that by speaking out, other witnesses may go to the police. He is haunted by how close Brueckner came to his daughter and his granddaughter, who was six years old in 2007 and, like Madeleine, had blonde hair.

‘I want to kill Brueckner. My daughter was in danger at the time, as was her daughter, because he is a paedophile,’ he said.

Dieter said Nicole had been surprised in 2012 when Brueckner arrived unexpectedly on her doorstep in Bavaria and alarmed four years later when he phoned her out of the blue and asked to stay with her because he did not want to be alone over Christmas. She declined.

He said Nicole had spoken to the German authorities about Brueckner and he would be happy to also talk to them.

Last week, The Mail on Sunday revealed that Brueckner had visited the villa in Foral in the months after Madeleine’s disappearance. Villagers this weekend expressed surprise that police had not conducted any searches.

One retired expat, who asked not to be named, said: ‘We know that Christian was in that house and around that village for many months. At the very least they should come and ask some questions about the movements in Foral.’

Dieter has seen police appeals for information about Brueckner’s white VW campervan with distinctive yellow trim and his Jaguar, but is puzzled why the authorities have not mentioned his larger Winnebago, which boasted a bedroom, living room and kitchen facilities.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 14, 2020, 03:42:07 AM
Quote from: misty on June 14, 2020, 02:52:43 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann abduction showed off his campervan and chillingly boasted 'I can transport kids in this' months before her disappearance
Christian Brueckner allegedly said he could 'transport children' in his campervan
Said to have made comment in village of Foral, 40 miles from Praia da Luz
He is claimed to have said: 'Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you'
By ABUL TAHER FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

PUBLISHED: 22:07, 13 June 2020 | UPDATED: 23:36, 13 June 2020

The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann showed off his campervan just months before she disappeared and boasted: ‘I can transport children in this.’

Christian Brueckner allegedly made the comment to the father of a female friend who lived in the Portuguese village of Foral, about 40 miles from Praia da Luz, the resort from where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.

The 43-year-old sex offender is claimed to have chillingly added: ‘Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you.’

The father – who asked to be referred to only as Dieter F – was visiting his social worker daughter, Nicole, at a villa where she helped to rehabilitate troubled German teenagers in the early part of 2007 when Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates.
Brueckner asked to refill the van with water and recharge the battery, as he had done several times before, and took the opportunity to show Dieter inside.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’

At the time, Dieter thought Brueckner was bragging, but now fears he was outlining his future evil plan. ‘I believe he kidnapped Maddie and brought her out of Portugal in his big van,’ he said.

Dieter said his daughter knew Brueckner in the mid-2000s, but contrary to reports was never romantically involved with him. He was, however, concerned during his visit in early 2007 that Brueckner had designs on Nicole, now 43.

‘At the time, I thought he was interested in my daughter, he was a bad boy. I felt, as a father, my daughter was not safe with such a man,’ he said.

Nicole met Brueckner in 2006 and he visited her at Foral about half a dozen times – either driving the Winnebago or his dark-coloured Jaguar – until she returned to Germany in 2010.

Dieter hopes that by speaking out, other witnesses may go to the police. He is haunted by how close Brueckner came to his daughter and his granddaughter, who was six years old in 2007 and, like Madeleine, had blonde hair.

‘I want to kill Brueckner. My daughter was in danger at the time, as was her daughter, because he is a paedophile,’ he said.

Dieter said Nicole had been surprised in 2012 when Brueckner arrived unexpectedly on her doorstep in Bavaria and alarmed four years later when he phoned her out of the blue and asked to stay with her because he did not want to be alone over Christmas. She declined.

He said Nicole had spoken to the German authorities about Brueckner and he would be happy to also talk to them.

Last week, The Mail on Sunday revealed that Brueckner had visited the villa in Foral in the months after Madeleine’s disappearance. Villagers this weekend expressed surprise that police had not conducted any searches.

One retired expat, who asked not to be named, said: ‘We know that Christian was in that house and around that village for many months. At the very least they should come and ask some questions about the movements in Foral.’

Dieter has seen police appeals for information about Brueckner’s white VW campervan with distinctive yellow trim and his Jaguar, but is puzzled why the authorities have not mentioned his larger Winnebago, which boasted a bedroom, living room and kitchen facilities.

Beautiful motor caravan

Why were troubled German teenagers being rehabilitated in another country?  Over 1000 miles away from the protective eyes of their families?   *%6^


I have come across this before in the north of PT, where it used to say on the internet that a home (which was of interest to me) was used to look after Brazilian street children (boys).   The Brazilian street children bit  has vanished from the internet, but it is about 4,000 miles between the Portuguese home and Brazil.  Why keep children so far from their families ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 14, 2020, 03:48:04 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 02:20:14 AM
Madeleine McCann may still be alive admits German prosecutor who said she was dead
Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Wolters admitted there was no “forensic evidence” to confirm Madeleine McCann was killed by German paedo Christian Brueckner

A top German prosecutor has admitted Madeleine McCann may still be alive – just days after cops told her parents they were “certain” she was dead.

In a startling U-turn, Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Wolters admitted there was no “forensic evidence” to confirm Madeleine's death.

He told the Sunday Mirror his previous claims about her “quick” death were “only personal opinion and speculation”.

He said: “We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be possible.

“I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.

“In Germany it’s more normal we investigate a murder in such a case, so it’s not so important. It’s more normal.”

Asked about saying Madeleine was killed quickly, he said: “That was private opinion and speculation... without facts. I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed.’”

Last night a friend of the McCanns hit out at Wolters for initially saying Madeleine was dead.

They raged: “You shouldn’t say it if you don’t know for a fact.

“They said from the outset they’re treating it as a murder investigation. They shouldn’t have been saying that unless they were damn sure.”

Mr Wolters says there is “90% ­evidence” that convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner was ­behind Madeleine’s ­disappearance – but not enough to charge him with

He added: “I have been a prosecutor 17 years and don’t think I will work on another case as big as this. It’s important we will solve the case."

Despite the German authorities’ stance, UK cops are still treating the investigation as a missing person inquiry.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-admits-22188523

I don't understand the ins and outs of International Law as some of you do.  But I wonder if Mr Wolters remarks could have compromised the case for the PT and British police ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 07:53:35 AM
Quote from: sadie on June 14, 2020, 03:48:04 AM
I don't understand the ins and outs of International Law as some of you do.  But I wonder if Mr Wolters remarks could have compromised the case for the PT and British police ?
Our law is complex enough for anyone I think, Sadie, and I've never really given a thought to legal systems in foreign countries travelled to, just being wary of guys in uniform carrying guns which was not the norm here at the time.

But I've got to admit that was an article which left me with my mouth hanging open and wondering if the prosecutor had taken a brainstorm of some type.

What on earth possessed him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 14, 2020, 08:00:53 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:37:09 PM
Despite it being off topic ~ I know you will have a source for that or else you would not have posted it; please share with the forum.

I'm afraid not. I think he might have said it in the Netflix series, but I really don't know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: misty on June 14, 2020, 02:52:43 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann abduction showed off his campervan and chillingly boasted 'I can transport kids in this' months before her disappearance
Christian Brueckner allegedly said he could 'transport children' in his campervan
Said to have made comment in village of Foral, 40 miles from Praia da Luz
He is claimed to have said: 'Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you'
By ABUL TAHER FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

PUBLISHED: 22:07, 13 June 2020 | UPDATED: 23:36, 13 June 2020

The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann showed off his campervan just months before she disappeared and boasted: ‘I can transport children in this.’

Christian Brueckner allegedly made the comment to the father of a female friend who lived in the Portuguese village of Foral, about 40 miles from Praia da Luz, the resort from where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.

The 43-year-old sex offender is claimed to have chillingly added: ‘Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you.’

The father – who asked to be referred to only as Dieter F – was visiting his social worker daughter, Nicole, at a villa where she helped to rehabilitate troubled German teenagers in the early part of 2007 when Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates.
Brueckner asked to refill the van with water and recharge the battery, as he had done several times before, and took the opportunity to show Dieter inside.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’

At the time, Dieter thought Brueckner was bragging, but now fears he was outlining his future evil plan. ‘I believe he kidnapped Maddie and brought her out of Portugal in his big van,’ he said.

Dieter said his daughter knew Brueckner in the mid-2000s, but contrary to reports was never romantically involved with him. He was, however, concerned during his visit in early 2007 that Brueckner had designs on Nicole, now 43.

‘At the time, I thought he was interested in my daughter, he was a bad boy. I felt, as a father, my daughter was not safe with such a man,’ he said.

Nicole met Brueckner in 2006 and he visited her at Foral about half a dozen times – either driving the Winnebago or his dark-coloured Jaguar – until she returned to Germany in 2010.

Dieter hopes that by speaking out, other witnesses may go to the police. He is haunted by how close Brueckner came to his daughter and his granddaughter, who was six years old in 2007 and, like Madeleine, had blonde hair.

‘I want to kill Brueckner. My daughter was in danger at the time, as was her daughter, because he is a paedophile,’ he said.

Dieter said Nicole had been surprised in 2012 when Brueckner arrived unexpectedly on her doorstep in Bavaria and alarmed four years later when he phoned her out of the blue and asked to stay with her because he did not want to be alone over Christmas. She declined.

He said Nicole had spoken to the German authorities about Brueckner and he would be happy to also talk to them.

Last week, The Mail on Sunday revealed that Brueckner had visited the villa in Foral in the months after Madeleine’s disappearance. Villagers this weekend expressed surprise that police had not conducted any searches.

One retired expat, who asked not to be named, said: ‘We know that Christian was in that house and around that village for many months. At the very least they should come and ask some questions about the movements in Foral.’

Dieter has seen police appeals for information about Brueckner’s white VW campervan with distinctive yellow trim and his Jaguar, but is puzzled why the authorities have not mentioned his larger Winnebago, which boasted a bedroom, living room and kitchen facilities.

Nice set of wheels which would take you anywhere in Europe or across the straights into Africa.  A drug dealer would have contacts all over the place.

My opinion that Madeleine was stolen to order is becoming more entrenched the more I hear and the more I think it unlikely she was taken to be used, abused and killed.
I think there is reason to hope for the unlikely and that Madeleine could still be alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 08:28:17 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 14, 2020, 08:00:53 AM
I'm afraid not. I think he might have said it in the Netflix series, but I really don't know.

I couldn't find it when I was looking for it last night.  What I did find was that in the early days he viewed Gerry with suspicion and tried to encourage a confession if he was (I think it was regarding giving assistance to draft the first appeal).

That was in accord with the principle of first of all checking out the parents of a missing child.

The conclusion he eventually arrived at was that neither parent was involved in Madeleine's disappearance and he has never deviated from that.

In 2017 he said ...
Snip
   ...  ...  he said: “Someone knows what happened and it’s time they came forward.”

Mr Edgar believes an abductor has secretly confessed to the crime and, speaking for the first time since his three-year private investigation into the 2007 disappearance, he said one of those involved will have opened-up to a friend or relative.

Calling for an end to the agony of Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry, he pleaded: “If anyone confided in you, now is the time to come forward.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/someone-protecting-madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-10104793


I don't think that is a million miles away from recent events.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 08:29:00 AM
From today’s Sunday Times

Hotel worker may have helped Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner
Police believe a member of staff may have told him that Madeleine’s parents were not in their apartment

German investigators, who have “sidelined” Scotland Yard’s own £12m hunt for Madeleine, are trying to trace the owner of the mobile phone used to call Brückner. “We are investigating if an Ocean Club member of staff helped the suspect on the night Madeleine disappeared,” Wolters confirmed. “This is of interest to us. The phone call made by the suspect could be between him and a member of staff who told him when to break into the McCanns’ apartment.”

The call was made just before Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007. The three-year-old had been left asleep in the apartment with her twin two-year-old siblings. It was received on a mobile handset belonging to Brückner at 7.32pm and finished at 8.02pm. It places Brückner’s phone in the Praia da Luz area.

Madeleine was last seen at 9.05pm, when her father, Gerry, checked her room to find her asleep. He closed the bedroom door and left via the unlocked patio doors.

A working theory is that Brückner used the tipoff from the employee at the Ocean Club, then owned by the holiday giant Mark Warner, to time his raid on the Algarve holiday apartment. Instead of stealing the McCanns’ valuables, however, he carried Madeleine away, German police suspect. There is no evidence the employee knew about Madeleine’s kidnap in advance.

Wolters said police had not interviewed Brückner about Madeleine’s murder because they had not yet traced the person who called him.

“Our evidence tells us the suspect was doing burglaries in Praia da Luz and Lagos [a nearby resort] at the time,” he said. “We want to speak to the person he spoke to on the phone before we interview the suspect in prison.

“We haven’t found that person yet. The phone of the suspect was in Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine went missing. This is from mobile phone data.

“But at the moment if we interview the suspect he could say, ‘My girlfriend had my phone that night and I didn’t have it’. The person he spoke to could put the phone in his hand [by confirming that it was definitely Brückner to whom he spoke], which would mean he was in the area at the time.

“This is the evidence we want before we issue an arrest warrant and then interview him for the murder. It would help the case against him — but we would also need more evidence.”

Kate McCann, Madeleine’s mother, has long suspected that the tapas restaurant’s booking details could have been passed to their daughter’s kidnapper. In her book, Madeleine, she recalled that they were “by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too.

“To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence . . . the receptionist had added [that] . . . we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.”

Wolters confirmed that an attack on a 10-year-old British girl in 2005 in Praia da Luz forms part of the inquiries against Brückner.

Nine sexual assaults and three near-misses took place on British girls aged between six and 12 while their families were on holiday in the Algarve between from 2004 to 2006, according to the Metropolitan police.

German federal police, known as the BKA, have taken the lead in the Madeleine case. One source said the Madeleine inquiry by Scotland Yard was now “piggy-backing” the BKA and had “been sidelined” by a German team made of up to 100 investigators.

British police have known about Brückner’s name since a tipoff from the Germans in 2013 although it is said to have been “vague” and lacking in “specific detail”, according to a police source.

Police in Braunschweig, a city in Lower Saxony known as Brunswick in English, investigated the tip at the time and saw on their database that Brückner was a known sexual offender. He was sent a summons to appear as a witness in the Madeleine case, and German media said last week it would have “given him enough time to remove any evidence”.

However, Wolters pointed out the suspect had already had 2007 to 2013 to remove any evidence of the murder.

Wolters insisted relations between German police and Scotland Yard were “strong”. However, one senior German police source said the Portuguese authorities were dragging their heels on new evidence against Brückner. “They blame the parents and don’t want to be proved wrong because that would look bad for them,” the source said.

An arrest warrant has not yet been issued against Brückner for Madeleine’s murder because senior police and prosecutors would be forced to reveal their evidence against him. “We’re not ready to do that yet,” Wolters said.

Asked to mark out of 10 the strength of the evidence against Brückner, Wolters replied: “It is not 10. We need a 10 to take him to court. But it is not 1 or 0. It is something above that.

“The best thing [to solve the case] would be a confession. Or when we find the body, that would be a big step, but it could be possible that we find other things. Some objects that would help. We don’t know what we will get. We just need some more evidence to go to court.”

Wolters said a key piece of evidence obtained by his team provided a “100%” certainty that Madeleine was no longer alive.

However, speaking to the Sunday Mirror, he appeared to row back on this.

“Because there is no forensic evidence there may be a little bit of hope (that she is alive),” Wolters told the paper.

“We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be theoretically possible.

“I know it’s important for the British people when I say she is dead, but I did not know it was so important.”

Last week he refused to deny whether the inquiry team had obtained video footage or photographs of Madeleine. However, he ruled out having any forensic evidence relating to her death that may have come from Brückner’s two vehicles, a Jaguar and VW Westfalia camper van in the possession of the German police.

Brückner, 43, had been living in Praia da Luz in a ramshackle farmhouse overlooking the holiday resort. He had fled to Portugal in 1995 as an 18-year-old to escape a two-year youth custody sentence for child sex offences. He was later convicted of the sexual abuse of another child and the rape of a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz.

Brückner has been linked to at least four unsolved child disappearances around Europe.

He is serving a 21-month jail sentence in Kiel, northern Germany.

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Scotland Yard’s £12m search

How much has Operation Grange cost?
From May 2011 to April 2020, a total of £12.1m has been spent in the hunt to find Madeleine McCann, known as Operation Grange. An application for further funding is pending.

How is it funded?
Scotland Yard receives money from the Home Office through “special grant funding”, which is usually available to police forces for significant or exceptional costs.

What are its resources?
At its peak, Operation Grange, initially run by Detective Chief Inspector Andrew Redwood, had a team of 28 detectives and seven civilian staff. In 2015, this was reduced to four detectives. The German investigation has up to 100 police working on the case.

When did Scotland Yard first become aware of Christian Brückner?
Portuguese police claim they told Scotland Yard about Brückner in 2012. His name was one of 600 persons of interest, but he was not classed as a suspect at this stage. The German authorities passed on a “vague” tipoff they received about Brückner in 2013. In 2017 they received a second tipoff about him. He was then made a prime suspect.

What do the German police and prosecutors think of the British and Portuguese investigations?
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said there was “potential room for improvement” on international co-operation between national police forces. The Portuguese were “slow” to react to requests, he said. In his view the British police were more efficient at providing investigative information.

Where does the investigation go now?
German and British police are looking for a piece of evidence that can be a “knockout blow”. The case needs a confession, a body, forensics, or an item of evidence. British police are sifting through nearly 1,000 calls and emails received from the public since the new appeal this month.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 14, 2020, 08:29:50 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 11:50:36 PM
The first time Clarence Mitchell went out there was when he was sent by HM Government, so of course he was officially briefed ... he wasn't in briefingthe McCanns employ.

So in May / June 2007 the UK Police and the CEOP were briefing a civil servant on an on-going criminal investigation with complete reassurance that they were only considering one scenario. This is massively prejudicial IMO. How could law enforcement officers act in the interests of justice if they have decided themselves what they believe happened. What evidence did the Police and CEOP possess in May 2007 that allowed them to offer such "complete reassurance"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 14, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
Its him alright what more do they want,the mail have tracked down an important witness.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Won't be long now for charges.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 14, 2020, 08:50:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 08:28:17 AM
I couldn't find it when I was looking for it last night.  What I did find was that in the early days he viewed Gerry with suspicion and tried to encourage a confession if he was (I think it was regarding giving assistance to draft the first appeal).

That was in accord with the principle of first of all checking out the parents of a missing child.

The conclusion he eventually arrived at was that neither parent was involved in Madeleine's disappearance and he has never deviated from that.

In 2017 he said ...
Snip
   ...  ...  he said: “Someone knows what happened and it’s time they came forward.”

Mr Edgar believes an abductor has secretly confessed to the crime and, speaking for the first time since his three-year private investigation into the 2007 disappearance, he said one of those involved will have opened-up to a friend or relative.

Calling for an end to the agony of Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry, he pleaded: “If anyone confided in you, now is the time to come forward.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/someone-protecting-madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-10104793


I don't think that is a million miles away from recent events.


If this is the case why was CM given "complete reassurance" that the UK Police and CEOP were treating this as "rare stranger abduction" in May 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 09:01:18 AM
The backtracking begins; The Prosecutor admits this is all a theory, speculative. he also says he didn't realise it was important to the British people to keep hope that Madeleine is alive? Is this anything to do with lawyers...or SY?

'Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor leading the investigation into Christian B - the new prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, has said it is possible the child is still alive. It comes after the cop claimed he thought the child, who went missing in May 2007, was dead.

Mr Wolters told the Mirror there is no forensic evidence to show Maddie is dead.

And despite previously saying he believes suspect Christian B killed her quickly, he said: “It was only personal opinion and speculation.”

Earlier this week the prosecutor said he believed the child had been killed.

He told The Times: “My private opinion is that he relatively quickly killed the girl, possibly abused her and then killed her

"We believe our suspect committed further crimes, especially sexual crimes, in Portugal possibly but also elsewhere like Germany.”

The comments prompted Kate and Gerry McCann, the missing girl's parents, to urge the German investigators to reveal the evidence that led to declare that she was dead.

A friend of the McCann's criticised him last night, and said: “You shouldn’t say it if you don’t know for a fact.

“They said from the outset they’re treating it as a murder investigation.......

..........
But in his latest comments on the investigation, Mr Wolters conceded there is "a little bit of hope" that she is still alive.

He told the newspaper: “Because there is no forensic evidence there may be a little bit of hope.

“We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be possible.

"I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.

"In Germany it’s more normal we investigate a murder in such a case, so it’s not so important. It’s more normal.”

Asked about saying Madeleine was killed quickly, he said: “That was private opinion and speculation... without facts. I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed.’”

The McCann's Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, heavily criticised the investigators for refusing to say what ­evidence they had to suggest Maddie is dead.

He said: “They need to know what’s going on. It’s a question of legality but also humanity. Of course they want to know. It’s cruel.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1295535/Madeleine-Mccann-alive-update-German-investigation-Madeleine-Mccann-latest-news (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1295535/Madeleine-Mccann-alive-update-German-investigation-Madeleine-Mccann-latest-news)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 14, 2020, 08:50:52 AM
If this is the case why was CM given "complete reassurance" that the UK Police and CEOP were treating this as "rare stranger abduction" in May 2007?

In May 2007 Clarence Mitchell was an employee of HM Government who assigned him to Praia da Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 14, 2020, 09:04:55 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 09:01:18 AM
The backtracking begins; The Prosecutor admits this is all a theory, speculative. he also says he didn't realise it was important to the British people to keep hope that Madeleine is alive? Is this anything to do with lawyers...or SY?

'Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor leading the investigation into Christian B - the new prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, has said it is possible the child is still alive. It comes after the cop claimed he thought the child, who went missing in May 2007, was dead.

Mr Wolters told the Mirror there is no forensic evidence to show Maddie is dead.

And despite previously saying he believes suspect Christian B killed her quickly, he said: “It was only personal opinion and speculation.”

Earlier this week the prosecutor said he believed the child had been killed.

He told The Times: “My private opinion is that he relatively quickly killed the girl, possibly abused her and then killed her

"We believe our suspect committed further crimes, especially sexual crimes, in Portugal possibly but also elsewhere like Germany.”

The comments prompted Kate and Gerry McCann, the missing girl's parents, to urge the German investigators to reveal the evidence that led to declare that she was dead.

A friend of the McCann's criticised him last night, and said: “You shouldn’t say it if you don’t know for a fact.

“They said from the outset they’re treating it as a murder investigation.......

..........
But in his latest comments on the investigation, Mr Wolters conceded there is "a little bit of hope" that she is still alive.

He told the newspaper: “Because there is no forensic evidence there may be a little bit of hope.

“We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be possible.

"I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.

"In Germany it’s more normal we investigate a murder in such a case, so it’s not so important. It’s more normal.”

Asked about saying Madeleine was killed quickly, he said: “That was private opinion and speculation... without facts. I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed.’”

The McCann's Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, heavily criticised the investigators for refusing to say what ­evidence they had to suggest Maddie is dead.

He said: “They need to know what’s going on. It’s a question of legality but also humanity. Of course they want to know. It’s cruel.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1295535/Madeleine-Mccann-alive-update-German-investigation-Madeleine-Mccann-latest-news (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1295535/Madeleine-Mccann-alive-update-German-investigation-Madeleine-Mccann-latest-news)


What they mean is,they have b....r all on the alleged suspect,quell surprise,the tension eases,no imminent charges, ah well mid summer madness reigns. (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 09:14:20 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 14, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
Its him alright what more do they want,the mail have tracked down an important witness.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Won't be long now for charges.

 The media continue the desperate barrel-scraping. Has anyone seen inside a VW van like that? You have a seat, that turns into the bed. In front of that is about 2 feet of leg space and a compact kitchen unit sometimes with a mini fridge. There's some 'boot' room over the engine at the back but you have to take everything out of there when you put the bed down, and store it in the front. They are pretty compact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 09:17:30 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 14, 2020, 09:04:55 AM

What they mean is,they have b....r all on the alleged suspect,quell surprise,the tension eases,no imminent charges, ah well mid summer madness reigns. (&^&

Indeed. Follow the logic not the media rubbish. They hadn't been able to charge him in 7 years, therefore no real evidence!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 14, 2020, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 09:02:35 AM
In May 2007 Clarence Mitchell was an employee of HM Government who assigned him to Praia da Luz.

Yes I know. What evidence did the UK Police and CEOP have to provide this HM Govt employee, in May 2007, with "complete reassurance" that this was a case of "rare stranger abduction" by the like of someone like the German sex offender?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 14, 2020, 10:01:20 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 14, 2020, 09:24:20 AM
Yes I know. What evidence did the UK Police and CEOP have to provide this HM Govt employee, in May 2007, with "complete reassurance" that this was a case of "rare stranger abduction" by the like of someone like the German sex offender?

I don't believe they had any evidence then or since.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 14, 2020, 10:20:39 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 14, 2020, 10:01:20 AM
I don't believe they had any evidence then or since.

I don't either. That's why I was incensed at the time that CM made the claim in January 2008. He stated that from the outset the UK Police and CEOP were completely assured that this was a case of "rare stranger abduction" (like for example the German sex offender). It's shocking that apparently our Police already make up their minds whilst an investigation is still active, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 14, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 14, 2020, 10:20:39 AM
I don't either. That's why I was incensed at the time that CM made the claim in January 2008. He stated that from the outset the UK Police and CEOP were completely assured that this was a case of "rare stranger abduction" (like for example the German sex offender). It's shocking that apparently our Police already make up their minds whilst an investigation is still active, imo.

its how just about evry missing child investigation works from what ive read. Its important asap to rule in or rule out the parents...clearing the ground beneath their feet they call it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 10:29:58 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 14, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
Its him alright what more do they want,the mail have tracked down an important witness.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Won't be long now for charges.
You appear to have adopted Spam’s childish mantra.  Is there any need for it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 10:32:41 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 09:14:20 AM
The media continue the desperate barrel-scraping. Has anyone seen inside a VW van like that? You have a seat, that turns into the bed. In front of that is about 2 feet of leg space and a compact kitchen unit sometimes with a mini fridge. There's some 'boot' room over the engine at the back but you have to take everything out of there when you put the bed down, and store it in the front. They are pretty compact.
That’s not the van being referred to

“Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2020, 10:32:41 AM
That’s not the van being referred to

“Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates”.

So yet more confusion.  Is this being done deliberately?  Most of us can read.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 14, 2020, 10:42:02 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 07:53:35 AM
Our law is complex enough for anyone I think, Sadie, and I've never really given a thought to legal systems in foreign countries travelled to, just being wary of guys in uniform carrying guns which was not the norm here at the time.

But I've got to admit that was an article which left me with my mouth hanging open and wondering if the prosecutor had taken a brainstorm of some type.

What on earth possessed him.

Yet last week you believed that the Germans had their ‘finger on the pulse’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 14, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
Unfortunately there is no specific date given the arrival of this van in Portugal.
As I recall from previous media reports, he returned to Germany post Madeleine's disappearance, where he purchased a new van.
If so it cannot have been used at the time of the abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:07:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2020, 10:32:41 AM
That’s not the van being referred to

“Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates”.

There is still a great deal of barrel-scraping going on, so forgive me If I don't read every bit of it in depth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:13:04 AM
This is from last week. So Wolters seems to have been spinning a yarn to the media for a while.

'The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig and the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) continue to pursue new traces in the "Maddie" missing person case . However, there is still no decisive evidence against the main suspect, a 43-year-old man who was last registered in the Braunschweig region. "It is not enough for an arrest warrant or an indictment," said Hans Christian Wolters from the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office on Friday.'

https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Maddie-Hinweise-reichen-noch-nicht-fuer-Anklage,maddie158.html (https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Maddie-Hinweise-reichen-noch-nicht-fuer-Anklage,maddie158.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 10:39:49 AM
So yet more confusion.  Is this being done deliberately?  Most of us can read.

Is the rudeness deliberate? I clicked the link and the bit about the Winnebago was half way down hidden by loads of other guff I didn't bother reading.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 14, 2020, 11:16:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 14, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
its how just about evry missing child investigation works from what ive read. Its important asap to rule in or rule out the parents...clearing the ground beneath their feet they call it.

Various people, including the head of CEOP, have accused the PJ of failing to clear the ground beneath their feet. So how were Operation Task and CEOP able to identify the crime before the end of May 2007? If they had evidence which ruled out the parents why wasn't it shared with the PJ? If they didn't have such evidence how could they decide what crime had been committed at that early stage? It seems to me that the police force leaping to conclusions early in the investigation was Op Task, not the PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 11:25:22 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Is the rudeness deliberate? I clicked the link and the bit about the Winnebago was half way down hidden by loads of other guff I didn't bother reading.
On the contrary, the revelation about the Winnebago appears in the 4th paragraph - I would suggest you didn't bother reading ANY of the article and just made an assumption. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:28:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2020, 11:25:22 AM
On the contrary, the revelation about the Winnebago appears in the 4th paragraph - I would suggest you didn't bother reading ANY of the article and just made an assumption.


I don't have to justify myself to you. I read the first few paragraphs of some Daily Mail guff and that was enough so early in the morning. so think whatever you like.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 14, 2020, 11:29:53 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 14, 2020, 11:16:10 AM
Various people, including the head of CEOP, have accused the PJ of failing to clear the ground beneath their feet. So how were Operation Task and CEOP able to identify the crime before the end of May 2007? If they had evidence which ruled out the parents why wasn't it shared with the PJ? If they didn't have such evidence how could they decide what crime had been committed at that early stage? It seems to me that the police force leaping to conclusions early in the investigation was Op Task, not the PJ.

This is crucial imo. Everyone interested in the case needs to be aware of how the events unfolded from the outset.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Is the rudeness deliberate? I clicked the link and the bit about the Winnebago was half way down hidden by loads of other guff I didn't bother reading.

Obviously you should, before commenting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:28:49 AM

I don't have to justify myself to you. I read the first few paragraphs of some Daily Mail guff and that was enough so early in the morning. so think whatever you like.

Are all of your Comments so ill informed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:42:26 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 11:40:07 AM
Obviously you should, before commenting.

As I said, I'm sick of the media speculation and I could tell that's what it was after a couple of paragraphs. My prerogative. I'll stick to giving my full attention to actual quotes from the people involved in the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 11:43:03 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 14, 2020, 11:29:53 AM
This is crucial imo. Everyone interested in the case needs to be aware of how the events unfolded from the outset.

Have you actually read any of it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:44:08 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 11:41:54 AM
Are all of your Comments so ill informed?

It goes all ways doesn't it. I've posted sources a few days ago that you and a few others didn't bother to read but felt qualified to comment on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:44:08 AM
It goes all ways doesn't it. I've posted sources a few days ago that you and a few others didn't bother to read but felt qualified to comment on.

Could I have a cite please, for my comments after failing to read.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:55:32 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 11:47:36 AM
Could I have a cite please, for my comments after failing to read.

no, I think I would have to go through about 30 pages, so that is my recollection IMO, do what you want with the posts.

EDIT no, I found it. I posted about the Misconduct hearing and you didn't read it.

''Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Who's Misconduct?

I quoted this before. The Prosecutors.

'Flensburg public prosecutor's office are due to address parliament today about possible misconduct in the Christian B case, it is reported.

They will speak from 2 p.m. on Wednesday before the interior and legal committee of the state parliament, Bild reports.

According to Bild “the subject of the statement is the behaviour of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office in connection with the multiple convicted Christian B”.''
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 12:06:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 14, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
its how just about evry missing child investigation works from what ive read. Its important asap to rule in or rule out the parents...clearing the ground beneath their feet they call it.

I have explained all that in words of one syllable unfortunately ... none so deaf etc 🙄
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 12:14:10 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:55:32 AM
no, I think I would have to go through about 30 pages, so that is my recollection IMO, do what you want with the posts.

EDIT no, I found it. I posted about the Misconduct hearing and you didn't read it.

''Quote from: Eleanor on June 10, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Who's Misconduct?

I quoted this before. The Prosecutors.

'Flensburg public prosecutor's office are due to address parliament today about possible misconduct in the Christian B case, it is reported.

They will speak from 2 p.m. on Wednesday before the interior and legal committee of the state parliament, Bild reports.

According to Bild “the subject of the statement is the behaviour of the Flensburg public prosecutor's office in connection with the multiple convicted Christian B”.''

You haven't said Whose Misconduct.  Or is it all of them?  In which case who are they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 12:14:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 10:39:49 AM
So yet more confusion.  Is this being done deliberately?  Most of us can read.

I'm yet to be convinced there isn't a concerted effort underway to dumb down the forum.  Whatever one thinks of the current news from Germany it has certainly dropped the scales from some eyes and opened up new possibilities for others.
The fact it doesn't fit with some hardened prejudices doesn't go down well in some quarters.  But it will all come out in the wash. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 12:14:10 PM
You haven't said Whose Misconduct.  Or is it all of them?  In which case who are they?

If you go back there, I posted a link to the article, if you read it, it explains who's misconduct quite clearly. I said so at the time as well and you obviously didn't read it then, kept on insisting it was to do with Bruckners rape trial.

The same thing you accused me of doing with the camper van story, which I admitted but I was never rude about it.
It's really not that important is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 12:25:48 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:07:49 AM
There is still a great deal of barrel-scraping going on, so forgive me If I don't read every bit of it in depth.
The information was posted on this thread this morning ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg599613#msg599613  complete with image.

(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17798;image)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 12:36:18 PM


That is not the post I responded to Brietta That is Misty's post, I responded to Barrier's. NO PICTURE, NOT THAT POST
No quote about what van unless you follow the link and scroll down.
  Why do you think someone is trying to dumb down the forum but 3 of you are getting very wound up about an article I admitted I didn't read properly?  You're putting the focus on it, not me.


'Its him alright what more do they want,the mail have tracked down an important witness.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Won't be long now for charges''
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 14, 2020, 11:16:10 AM
Various people, including the head of CEOP, have accused the PJ of failing to clear the ground beneath their feet. So how were Operation Task and CEOP able to identify the crime before the end of May 2007? If they had evidence which ruled out the parents why wasn't it shared with the PJ? If they didn't have such evidence how could they decide what crime had been committed at that early stage? It seems to me that the police force leaping to conclusions early in the investigation was Op Task, not the PJ.

They were not allowed to 'share' anything with the Portuguese who it seems rather resented their presence.

I did provide a link to that effect ... but the expert witness I quoted didn't quite come up to your exacting standards.

I'm sure you will remember when you think about it. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11381.msg599396#msg599396
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 14, 2020, 12:48:31 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 12:14:27 PM
I'm yet to be convinced there isn't a concerted effort underway to dumb down the forum.  Whatever one thinks of the current news from Germany it has certainly dropped the scales from some eyes and opened up new possibilities for others.
The fact it doesn't fit with some hardened prejudices doesn't go down well in some quarters.  But it will all come out in the wash.

It certainly has with the German investigator saying that the PJ still think the parents guilty of a role in their daughter’s disappearance...something some quarters have been telling us wasn’t true for years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 14, 2020, 12:52:56 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 14, 2020, 12:48:31 PM
It certainly has with the German investigator saying that the PJ still think the parents guilty of a role in their daughter’s disappearance...something some quarters have been telling us wasn’t true for years.

the lead of the PJ ...Pedro da Carmo said no evidence..not suspects.   ...that hasnt changed afawk... What individual officers think ...due to their ignrance imo...is another story
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 14, 2020, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 12:38:03 PM
They were not allowed to 'share' anything with the Portuguese who it seems rather resented their presence.

I did provide a link to that effect ... but the expert witness I quoted didn't quite come up to your exacting standards.

I'm sure you will remember when you think about it. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11381.msg599396#msg599396

There were plenty of meetings between the PJ and British policemen. Stuart Prior seemed to be quite close to the heart of the investigation as did Bob Small, Chris Eyre and Jose Freitas. According to Amaral they had input, so if they had evidence ruling out the parents they had ample opportunity to share it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 12:36:18 PM

That is not the post I responded to Brietta That is Misty's post, I responded to Barrier's. NO PICTURE, NOT THAT POST
No quote about what van unless you follow the link and scroll down.
  Why do you think someone is trying to dumb down the forum but 3 of you are getting very wound up about an article I admitted I didn't read properly?  You're putting the focus on it, not me.


'Its him alright what more do they want,the mail have tracked down an important witness.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Won't be long now for charges''

Misty posted that complete with picture only this morning.  The fact is that you did not read it and posted what I think is misleading information on the forum as a result.

I think it was Jassie who pointed out the value to the investigation of finding out exactly when he came by that particular vehicle.  It is possible the police are working on that as well as any other relevant information sent to them by the public.

It isn't about getting 'wound up' about anything ... it is about being as vigilant as possible about the accuracy of what is posted here.  Most members care about that very much and bearing in mind that we all make mistakes there should not be any problem when they are pointed out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 01:05:59 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 01:00:31 PM
Misty posted that complete with picture only this morning.  The fact is that you did not read it and posted what I think is misleading information on the forum as a result.

I think it was Jassie who pointed out the value to the investigation of finding out exactly when he came by that particular vehicle.  It is possible the police are working on that as well as any other relevant information sent to them by the public.

It isn't about getting 'wound up' about anything ... it is about being as vigilant as possible about the accuracy of what is posted here.  Most members care about that very much and bearing in mind that we all make mistakes there should not be any problem when they are pointed out.

I didn't read a source properly Brietta. Neither did Davel or Eleanor 4 days ago when I posted about Misconduct
( which I showed) but no-one is jumping on them, that's my point. Different strokes for different folks IMO.
 
 So they were insisting the source I posted was about his rape trial when it wasn't, yet you only see my mistake as 'misleading'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 01:07:17 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:07:49 AM
There is still a great deal of barrel-scraping going on, so forgive me If I don't read every bit of it in depth.
Don't make assumptions about what is in articles then otherwise you look a bit silly.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 11:28:49 AM

I don't have to justify myself to you. I read the first few paragraphs of some Daily Mail guff and that was enough so early in the morning. so think whatever you like.
I shall and I will continue to point out any errors you make that I see fit, whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 12:36:18 PM

That is not the post I responded to Brietta That is Misty's post, I responded to Barrier's. NO PICTURE, NOT THAT POST
No quote about what van unless you follow the link and scroll down.
  Why do you think someone is trying to dumb down the forum but 3 of you are getting very wound up about an article I admitted I didn't read properly?  You're putting the focus on it, not me.


'Its him alright what more do they want,the mail have tracked down an important witness.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Won't be long now for charges''
Oh God, you've started with the childish mantra now too.  Pathetic.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
Oh God, you've started with the childish mantra now too.  Pathetic.  IMO.

Do keep up, I was quoting Barrier's post.  So that's another mistake accounted for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 01:14:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2020, 01:07:17 PM
Don't make assumptions about what is in articles then otherwise you look a bit silly.  IMO.

Like other members did when they insisted The address to parliament was about Bruckners parole.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 01:15:03 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 01:12:46 PM
Do keep up, I was quoting Barrier's post.  So that's another mistake accounted for.
Use the quote button then, otherwise misunderstandings are bound to happen.  On this occasion I apologise for accusing you of adopting this foolish mantra.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 01:15:27 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 14, 2020, 01:14:33 PM
Like other members did when they insisted The address to parliament was about Bruckners parole.
I'm not interested in your whataboutery.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 14, 2020, 02:34:49 PM
All this circumstantial evidence floating about with hearsay about CB - just amazes me what people are believing.

IMO there is more circumstantial evidence relating to those that were there and are still not cleared.

There is not only - A German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 14, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2020, 12:14:27 PM
I'm yet to be convinced there isn't a concerted effort underway to dumb down the forum.  Whatever one thinks of the current news from Germany it has certainly dropped the scales from some eyes and opened up new possibilities for others.
The fact it doesn't fit with some hardened prejudices doesn't go down well in some quarters.  But it will all come out in the wash.

Yep falling hook line and sinker for the German suspect, some took to it like a fish to water.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 14, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 14, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
Yep falling hook line and sinker for the German suspect, some took to it like a fish to water.

to quote in typical sceptic style...his involvement hasnt been disproved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 14, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
Yep falling hook line and sinker for the German suspect, some took to it like a fish to water.

A few days ago you wrote


Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2020, 06:47:51 PM
It does if this German is supposed to be involved,but seeing as he isn't I don't think it does.

I asked how you knew he was not involved but I don’t recall getting your answer.  Kindly now explain how you KNOW he is not involved.  Ta.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
No one on this Forum has stated that Bruckner is guilty of this Crime.  McCann Supporters on this Forum believe in Innocent until Proven Guilty.  Which is more than can be said for some of you.

The hypocrisy has left me somewhat stunned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 14, 2020, 03:33:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
No one on this Forum has stated that Bruckner is guilty of this Crime.  McCann Supporters on this Forum believe in Innocent until Proven Guilty.  Which is more than can be said for some of you.

The hypocrisy has left me somewhat stunned.

Supporters have been trying to shoehorn him into the role of abductor since the news broke....without, it would appear, any thought for the outcome of his guilt on the very child they claim to care so much about. You, and to a certain extent Davel, are the only supporters not to have participated in this stomach churning spectacle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 03:36:24 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
No one on this Forum has stated that Bruckner is guilty of this Crime.  McCann Supporters on this Forum believe in Innocent until Proven Guilty.  Which is more than can be said for some of you.

The hypocrisy has left me somewhat stunned.
Very true, and the continual accusations from some on this forum that supporters relish the prospect that Madeleine was raped and murdered by this German paedo creep should be deleted on sight as they are untrue and quite frankly disgusting allegations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2020, 03:36:24 PM
Very true, and the continual accusations from some on this forum that supporters relish the prospect that Madeleine was raped and murdered by this German paedo creep should be deleted on sight as they are untrue and quite frankly disgusting allegations.

I shall deal with that when I see it.  But please Report any such Comments because I am not always here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 14, 2020, 04:31:21 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 14, 2020, 03:33:04 PM
Supporters have been trying to shoehorn him into the role of abductor since the news broke....without, it would appear, any thought for the outcome of his guilt on the very child they claim to care so much about. You, and to a certain extent Davel, are the only supporters not to have participated in this stomach churning spectacle.

You're forgetting moi Faith!?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11593.msg596298#msg596298

I think Daddy Crimbo and/or the Tooth Fairy are more likely to be held responsible than this German guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 05:08:17 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 14, 2020, 04:31:21 PM
You're forgetting moi Faith!?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11593.msg596298#msg596298

I think Daddy Crimbo and/or the Tooth Fairy are more likely to be held responsible than this German guy.
Please explain why you think it is more likely that two mythical beings are more likely than a paedophile/rapist with a history of breaking into holiday aoartments (and who was known to have been in Pdl that night) to be responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 14, 2020, 05:13:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 11, 2020, 09:22:05 AM
We've heard all this nonsense before, pictures and videos of Maddie and all false identifications. Maddie is long dead Sadie and the sooner you accept that the better for you.

Ho Ho Ho !

How do you KNOW that Madeleine is dead, Angelo
Were you there ?
Or have you seen photos ?   
What proof do you have ?


What pictures are you referring to?  What false identifications ?  Just one video, which you haven't seen

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 05:14:32 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 14, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
I shall deal with that when I see it.  But please Report any such Comments because I am not always here.
The offending post is embedded in Holly’s above (now the previous page).  Kindly remove that as well, thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 14, 2020, 05:59:45 PM
Could be they've done him a favor if this the case - paroled with new ID and maybe compo. IMO.



German police fear he could soon be paroled from prison.

Christian B – who has refused to co-operate with German Police investigating him over Madeleine - is appealing the rape conviction.
'REVENGE'

Meanwhile the Sun on Sunday also understands that prosecutors may be looking at moving Christian B from the prison in Kiel, northern Germany where he is held.

It emerged this week he was being given counselling and placed in isolation in the prison.

But our source said: "Since news emerged of his links to the case he has become more of a target to his fellow in-mates.

Many are convinced he killed Madeleine and want the notoriety of being the person to exact revenge.

“That is why they are considering moving him as the measures taken may not be enough to keep Christian B safe."

German Police began probing him in 2017 after a witness told them he had bragged of ‘snatching’ Madeleine in a bar as they watched 10th-anniversary news reports about her disappearance.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11857088/cops-christian-b-searching-letters-madeleine/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 14, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 14, 2020, 05:13:55 PM
Ho Ho Ho !

How do you KNOW that Madeleine is dead, Angelo
Were you there ?
Or have you seen photos ?   
What proof do you have ?


What pictures are you referring to?  What false identifications ?  Just one video, which you haven't seen

Didn't the German police say so?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 14, 2020, 06:56:24 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53043818

Portuguese police say the German evidence against the new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case is "significant".

A senior police source also told the BBC they were keen to cooperate in the investigation into the disappearance of the British girl in Portugal in 2007.

The new suspect is a 43-year-old German man, named in reports as Christian B, who is in prison in Germany.

He was revealed as the main suspect earlier this month, as German and UK police made a fresh appeal for help.

The convicted paedophile is believed to have been in the area where Madeleine, aged three, was last seen while on holiday in Portugal.

Madeleine McCann: Who is the German suspect?
The Madeleine McCann case: A timeline
In pictures: The search for Madeleine McCann
A senior Portuguese police source, who has seen the German evidence against Christian B, has told the BBC it is "very important" and "significant".

The source also rejected criticism that their procedures were slow, amid reports that the German authorities have privately been critical of their Portuguese counterparts.

Another source close to the investigation said Portuguese police accepted that Christian B was now a suspect.

Asked whether they had access to his previous convictions for child sexual offences at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, he said it was important not to judge the past with the benefit of hindsight, and that police systems since then had changed.

Madeleine McCann was three years old when she went missing in 2007
Some of those who knew the German suspect during his time in Portugal have criticised the investigation as "very slow", telling the BBC that they were only approached by police - either British or Portuguese - in the past year or two.

Several people remembered Christian B as angry and untrustworthy, with one neighbour saying he squatted in a nearby house without paying rent, and left it "ransacked" in a terrible state when he departed, two years before Madeleine's disappearance.

Analysis

By BBC news correspondent Lucy Williamson, in Praia da Luz

When German police - newcomers to the Madeleine McCann investigation - announced they had evidence that indicated the toddler was dead, it seemed to get a cautious response from their Portuguese and British counterparts.

British police stuck to their line that it was a "missing person inquiry", and the impression from Portuguese media was that their own tight-lipped authorities were staying open-minded.

This first-hand confirmation from a senior Portuguese police source that the German evidence is "very important" and "significant" is a sign of how seriously this new development is being taken there.

There's been plenty of mutual recrimination between the British and Portuguese forces in the 13 years since Madeleine McCann vanished from her family's holiday apartment.

Now a third country has entered the quest for answers.

Awkward? Maybe. But the German evidence, it seems, is convincing enough for the Portuguese police to signal their support.

After living for so long under the pressure of unanswered questions, they won't want to be left out of a development that might promise some answers.

German prosecutors have previously said they have evidence that leads them to believe Christian B killed Madeleine, but it wasn't strong enough to take him to court.

Police say the suspect was regularly living in the Algarve in Portugal between 1995 and 2007 and had jobs in the area, including in catering, but also committed burglaries in hotels and dealt drugs.

The suspect is currently serving a jail term in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, for drug-dealing, having been extradited from Portugal in July 2017.

He is believed to have been in the Praia da Luz area in May 2007, when Madeleine went missing while on a family holiday with her parents and siblings.

In December 2019, the man was sentenced to seven years for raping a 72-year-old American woman in the same Portuguese resort in 2005.

The Metropolitan Police, who are working with their German and Portuguese counterparts, have said the case remained a "missing persons" investigation in the UK because there was no "definitive evidence" as to whether Madeleine was alive or not.

Madeleine went missing shortly before her fourth birthday from an apartment in Praia da Luz, while her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were with friends at a nearby tapas bar.

Her disappearance sparked a huge and costly police hunt across much of Europe - the most recent Met Police investigation, which began in 2011, has cost more than £11m.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 07:01:59 PM
Oh dear, that’s not going to go down well with the PJ supporters club, mind you as the PT source wasn’t named their supporters can conveniently ignore it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 14, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2020, 07:01:59 PM
Oh dear, that’s not going to go down well with the PJ supporters club, mind you as the PT source wasn’t named their supporters can conveniently ignore it.


Don't get too excited VS - he could be moving to a place of safety soon.

Or the unthinkable happen and the prisoners get him - then we will never know if it was him.

Or maybe they was just going to charge him - and we will never know case closed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 07:21:31 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 14, 2020, 07:17:17 PM

Don't get too excited VS - he could be moving to a place of safety soon.

Or the unthinkable happen and the prisoners get him - then we will never know if it was him.

Or maybe they was just going to charge him - and we will never know case closed.
Can you please not accuse me of getting excited, thanks.  I hope he is looked after very well and that if there is compelling evidence to charge him, that he receives a fair trial and if found guilty is kept safely in solitary confinement for the rest of his natural life. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 14, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2020, 07:21:31 PM
Can you please not accuse me of getting excited, thanks.  I hope he is looked after very well and that if there is compelling evidence to charge him, that he receives a fair trial and if found guilty is kept safely in solitary confinement for the rest of his natural life.

I know you do VS - that's why I said he may be moved to a place of safety  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 07:30:03 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 14, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
I know you do VS - that's why I said he may be moved to a place of safety  8((()*/
You know I do what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 14, 2020, 08:22:17 PM
I notice Sky's Martin Brunt has flown to Portugal now from Germany to report on this new suspect. I will be watching closely to make sure he quarantines for 2 weeks when he decides to return to London.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2020, 11:02:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 12, 2020, 11:39:38 AM
At least now we're learning that there are differences of opinion.

The Germans are talking murder.
The UK are still talking 'missing'.
The PJ are saying nothing, but the Germans think they still suspect the McCanns.

Hopefully we will no longer see posts telling us that two police forces are working harmoniously on the same theory.
That can no longer be said with any confidence in my opinion.
Update:
The Germans are talking murder but concede there is a chance she is still alive
The UK’s position hasn’t appeared to have changed
The PJ are saying they’ve seen the German evidence against the paedo and they concede it is “very important” and “significant”.

It seems to me that all police forces are now more or less on the same page unless anyone knows different?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 12:51:19 AM
The German authorities don't appear to be letting the grass grow under their feet when it comes to looking for evidence and the good thing about it is the Portuguese authorities seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet.


Attack on a 10-year-old British girl in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine McCann disappeared forms part of German inquiries into prime suspect Brückner – as prosecutor reveals Madeleine may still be alivehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8419537/Attack-girl-Praia-da-Luz-forms-German-inquiries.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 15, 2020, 01:32:00 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 12:51:19 AM
The German authorities don't appear to be letting the grass grow under their feet when it comes to looking for evidence and the good thing about it is the Portuguese authorities seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet.


Attack on a 10-year-old British girl in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine McCann disappeared forms part of German inquiries into prime suspect Brückner – as prosecutor reveals Madeleine may still be alivehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8419537/Attack-girl-Praia-da-Luz-forms-German-inquiries.html

They’ve had this individual’s name for years.....not letting the grass grow....they’d need an industrial mower to tackle the pasture that’s grown up around their ankles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 15, 2020, 02:32:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 14, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Didn't the German police say so?

Try keeping abreast of the news Angelo

BTW, you owe me at least one cite.

You can find the request quite easily if you go back thru my posts.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 06:34:18 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 12:51:19 AM
The German authorities don't appear to be letting the grass grow under their feet when it comes to looking for evidence and the good thing about it is the Portuguese authorities seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet.


Attack on a 10-year-old British girl in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine McCann disappeared forms part of German inquiries into prime suspect Brückner – as prosecutor reveals Madeleine may still be alivehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8419537/Attack-girl-Praia-da-Luz-forms-German-inquiries.html
‘Meanwhile, Mr Wolters said today that a single piece of evidence made him 100 per cent certain Madeleine was murdered. Earlier, he had said there was “a little bit of hope” that she might yet be found. It left a source close to parents Kate and Gerry saying they were considering sending an envoy to Germany to demand answers’.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11862187/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-attack-british-girl/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 15, 2020, 08:27:34 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 06:34:18 AM
‘Meanwhile, Mr Wolters said today that a single piece of evidence made him 100 per cent certain Madeleine was murdered. Earlier, he had said there was “a little bit of hope” that she might yet be found. It left a source close to parents Kate and Gerry saying they were considering sending an envoy to Germany to demand answers’.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11862187/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-attack-british-girl/

I would have thought it was worth going in person to Germany and asking for answers. Sending a demanding messenger sounds a bit pretentious to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 15, 2020, 09:38:06 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 12:51:19 AM
The German authorities don't appear to be letting the grass grow under their feet when it comes to looking for evidence and the good thing about it is the Portuguese authorities seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet.


Attack on a 10-year-old British girl in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine McCann disappeared forms part of German inquiries into prime suspect Brückner – as prosecutor reveals Madeleine may still be alivehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8419537/Attack-girl-Praia-da-Luz-forms-German-inquiries.html

authorities seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet


It only seems - do you know if it is a german hymn or Portuguese.

Seems the mccs are not singing on it -  when they are going to send an envoy to demand answers

What a lark this is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 09:55:04 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 15, 2020, 09:38:06 AM
authorities seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet


It only seems - do you know if it is a german hymn or Portuguese.

Seems the mccs are not singing on it -  when they are going to send an envoy to demand answers

What a lark this is.

i would say the sensible thing to do would be to wait and see what comes of this rather than pointless speculation...that sounds sensible imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 15, 2020, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 15, 2020, 08:27:34 AM
I would have thought it was worth going in person to Germany and asking for answers. Sending a demanding messenger sounds a bit pretentious to me.

Isn't that the idea of FLO's ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 15, 2020, 08:27:34 AM
I would have thought it was worth going in person to Germany and asking for answers. Sending a demanding messenger sounds a bit pretentious to me.

While we are just coming out of lock down?  I hardly think a trip to Germany would be appropriate not to say counter productive.  Unless you would condone the 'media circus' it would certainly cause.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 15, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 15, 2020, 09:56:10 AM
Isn't that the idea of FLO's ?

FLO's are there to support the family and to gather any relevant evidence from them. I don't know who would provide them in this case. An envoy demanding answers is something different to an FLO.

Unlike OG the Germans aren't, afaik, in contact with the McCanns or beholden to them in any way. The German government didn't ask their police to get involved to 'help the family' as the Met did. They're under no obligation imo to inform anyone what evidence or theories they have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 15, 2020, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 10:19:08 AM
While we are just coming out of lock down?  I hardly think a trip to Germany would be appropriate not to say counter productive.  Unless you would condone the 'media circus' it would certainly cause.

What has lock down got to do with it? Our media clowns haven't let it stop them galloping around Europe so why should those closest to the case let it stop them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 10:29:50 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 15, 2020, 09:38:06 AM
authorities seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet


It only seems - do you know if it is a german hymn or Portuguese.

Seems the mccs are not singing on it -  when they are going to send an envoy to demand answers

What a lark this is.
I think the choir is in three parts and I don't think it is too difficult in retrospect to work out why the Brits were doing digging up parts of Luz in 2014 with the full cooperation of the Judicial Police.

Although I do think the Germans had jumped the gun a bit ...
Madeleine McCann case: 'Huge mistake' to notify suspect he was person of interest
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18517311.madeleine-mccann-case-huge-mistake-notify-suspect-person-interest/


By the way when enjoying the 'lark' please take a moment to remember Madeleine and anyone else who were victims of a predatory paedophile or serious sexual assault in the Algarve before and after Madeleine's disappearance.


Edited to add link
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 10:32:30 AM
The McCanns must storm the bastions of The German Judiciary in person.  What a not very good idea.

And what would be the purpose of that?

I don't know what The Germans think they are up to but it seems to be more to do with keeping Bruckner in jail on a Rape Conviction that they might have cocked up Internationally, than to do with finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

And who is this German Idiot who can't understand why it is important for The British to believe that Madeleine could still be alive.  Let alone her parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 10:46:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 15, 2020, 10:26:19 AM
What has lock down got to do with it? Our media clowns haven't let it stop them galloping around Europe so why should those closest to the case let it stop them?

Please don't be any sillier about this non-issue than is absolutely necessary.  I am surprised at you for advocating another media circus to be endured for Madeleine's family who probably haven't been able to bury Gerry's mother and the granny who never gave up hope on Madeleine.

I don't think it would be appropriate or necessary for Kate and Gerry to go to Germany.  Recent changes to the prosecutor's media statements suggest to me that someone somewhere has already had a quiet word.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 11:18:14 AM

 - Suspect saying nothing, according to the Times/Mirror.   He would have to be charged with something.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-will-refuse-22192488 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-will-refuse-22192488)

'According to the newspaper, Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said: "Mr B is remaining silent on the allegation at this time on the advice of his defence counsel. This is quite common in criminal proceedings.

"It is the duty of the state to prove that a suspect committed a crime. No accused person has to prove his innocence to the investigating authorities."

According to German law an indictment/charge needs 4 things;

“a) the identity of the accused;
b) the facts of the offence with which he is charged,
c) the time and place of its commission;
d) the legal elements of the offence and the applicable provisions.”

Excerpt From: Bohlander, Michael. “Principles of German Criminal Procedure.”

   It seems a very long shot to be able to establish such facts from a witness appeal, they already have some testimony of an alleged confession but that could easily be dismissed. Unless he had an accomplice or someone that saw what he allegedly did in 5a, how could they prove it to a reasonable standard for a charge?. Then that all has to fit into the short time window of that night IMO.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 15, 2020, 11:24:11 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 10:46:38 AM
Please don't be any sillier about this non-issue than is absolutely necessary.  I am surprised at you for advocating another media circus to be endured for Madeleine's family who probably haven't been able to bury Gerry's mother and the granny who never gave up hope on Madeleine.

I don't think it would be appropriate or necessary for Kate and Gerry to go to Germany.  Recent changes to the prosecutor's media statements suggest to me that someone somewhere has already had a quiet word.


I am surprised at you for bringing up gmcc when there are thousands n thousands in the same situation.

Why do you not think your post was really inappropriate  - or are you strumming for sympathy for that pair again.

What about the envoy they are sending - ok for them to travel then as long as it isn't them.

They should be the one's going - Maddie is their child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 15, 2020, 12:03:56 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 06:34:18 AM
‘Meanwhile, Mr Wolters said today that a single piece of evidence made him 100 per cent certain Madeleine was murdered. Earlier, he had said there was “a little bit of hope” that she might yet be found. It left a source close to parents Kate and Gerry saying they were considering sending an envoy to Germany to demand answers’.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11862187/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-attack-british-girl/

Bang goes the theory that the PJ didn’t investigate the attacks on young girls.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 15, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
Meanwhile. (&^&



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-flown-22193032

Madeleine McCann suspect could be flown to Portugal to 'recreate night she vanished'
According to legal expert Rui Pereira the new suspect in the search for Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, could be asked to return to Portugal at the request of German prosecutors

Finishing with.


But he added: “Without a body, without witnesses, with guarantees under a State of Law such as a suspect’s defence rights and the right to remain silent, a miracle is needed.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 15, 2020, 12:48:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 15, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
Meanwhile. (&^&



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-flown-22193032

Madeleine McCann suspect could be flown to Portugal to 'recreate night she vanished'
According to legal expert Rui Pereira the new suspect in the search for Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, could be asked to return to Portugal at the request of German prosecutors

Finishing with.


But he added: “Without a body, without witnesses, with guarantees under a State of Law such as a suspect’s defence rights and the right to remain silent, a miracle is needed.”

Just when you think that it can’t get any more ridiculous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 15, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
Meanwhile. (&^&



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-flown-22193032

Madeleine McCann suspect could be flown to Portugal to 'recreate night she vanished'
According to legal expert Rui Pereira the new suspect in the search for Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, could be asked to return to Portugal at the request of German prosecutors

Finishing with.


But he added: “Without a body, without witnesses, with guarantees under a State of Law such as a suspect’s defence rights and the right to remain silent, a miracle is needed.”

So other people using the word 'miracle' then. It's pretty much what I said on my last post, and what the German judge said in the podcast when the news first came out....which I did put some faith in as he knows the law inside out in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 01:40:00 PM
 *&^^&
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 11:18:14 AM
- Suspect saying nothing, according to the Times/Mirror.   He would have to be charged with something.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-will-refuse-22192488 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-will-refuse-22192488)

'According to the newspaper, Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said: "Mr B is remaining silent on the allegation at this time on the advice of his defence counsel. This is quite common in criminal proceedings.

"It is the duty of the state to prove that a suspect committed a crime. No accused person has to prove his innocence to the investigating authorities."

According to German law an indictment/charge needs 4 things;

“a) the identity of the accused;
b) the facts of the offence with which he is charged,
c) the time and place of its commission;
d) the legal elements of the offence and the applicable provisions.”

Excerpt From: Bohlander, Michael. “Principles of German Criminal Procedure.”

   It seems a very long shot to be able to establish such facts from a witness appeal, they already have some testimony of an alleged confession but that could easily be dismissed. Unless he had an accomplice or someone that saw what he allegedly did in 5a, how could they prove it to a reasonable standard for a charge?. Then that all has to fit into the short time window of that night IMO.

Might be best to wait until you have all the pieces before trying to complete the jigsaw... Without all the pieces it makes your posts pointless imo.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 15, 2020, 01:43:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 10:46:38 AM
Please don't be any sillier about this non-issue than is absolutely necessary.  I am surprised at you for advocating another media circus to be endured for Madeleine's family who probably haven't been able to bury Gerry's mother and the granny who never gave up hope on Madeleine.

I don't think it would be appropriate or necessary for Kate and Gerry to go to Germany.  Recent changes to the prosecutor's media statements suggest to me that someone somewhere has already had a quiet word.

The media circus is in full flow in case you hadn't noticed. Who suggested an envoy should be sent to demand answers from the German police? That was a very silly suggestion imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 01:45:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 01:40:00 PM
*&^^&
Might be best to wait until you have all the pieces before trying to complete the jigsaw... Without all the pieces it makes your posts pointless imo.

IMO they are not pointless. It just clarifies they are an extremely long way away from being able to prove he was in 5a and what he is supposed to have done. They may never complete the 'jigsaw' and that is the reason for the unprecedented type of appeal IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 01:45:08 PM
IMO they are not pointless. It just clarifies they are an extremely long way away from being able to prove he was in 5a and what he is supposed to have done. They may never complete the 'jigsaw' and that is the reason for the unprecedented type of appeal IMO.
as we dont know exactly what they have it clarifies nothing...whats the piece of evidence that convinces the german police maddie is dead.

The only interesting point is taht no one has to prove their innocence in Germany...shame that doesnt apply in portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2020, 01:53:08 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 15, 2020, 12:48:41 PM
Just when you think that it can’t get any more ridiculous.

It's been said before that Tannerman & Smithman could be the same person.

I'd like to see the reconstruction of Brueckner popping in to the hairdressers between 9.15 & 10.00.

Maybe he left Maddie in his camper van whilst he had a quick trim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 01:48:07 PM
as we dont know exactly what they have it clarifies nothing...whats the piece of evidence that convoinces the german police maddie is dead.

The only interesting point is taht no one has to prove their innocence in Germany...shame that doesnt apply in portugal.

 As I keep saying, we do know the level of evidence can't be compelling or he would have been charged.  None of it can prove to a reasonable standard what he is supposed to have done or when...or charges would be brought.
 If they did have evidence M is dead it can't be something that ties it to him specifically ( see above).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 15, 2020, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 10:29:50 AM
I think the choir is in three parts and I don't think it is too difficult in retrospect to work out why the Brits were doing digging up parts of Luz in 2014 with the full cooperation of the Judicial Police.

Although I do think the Germans had jumped the gun a bit ...
Madeleine McCann case: 'Huge mistake' to notify suspect he was person of interest
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18517311.madeleine-mccann-case-huge-mistake-notify-suspect-person-interest/


By the way when enjoying the 'lark' please take a moment to remember Madeleine and anyone else who were victims of a predatory paedophile or serious sexual assault in the Algarve before and after Madeleine's disappearance.


Edited to add link

Why do you try and twist what I post?

Who said I was enjoying it - more what the hell are they playing at.

I do remember Maddie - you should know that by now. B
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
As I keep saying, we do know the level of evidence can't be compelling or he would have been charged.  None of it can prove to a reasonable standard what he is supposed to have done or when...or charges would be brought.
 If they did have evidence M is dead it can't be something that ties it to him specifically ( see above).

So you accept there may be evidence against him but not enough to charge... We don't know what that evidence is.  If they do have evidence Maddie is dead thst would be a major breakthrough in itself
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
So you accept there may be evidence against him but not enough to charge... We don't know what that evidence is.  If they do have evidence Maddie is dead thst would be a major breakthrough in itself

Of course I accept there is evidence but only enough for a suspicion to investigate him. In German law they can open an investigation based on suspicion that arrives from the prosecutor's experience in other cases. and lo and behold the Prosecutor has confirmed this is what they have done.

'Asked about saying Madeleine was quickly killed, he added: “This was only a personal statement. I have no facts for this.

"That was only my private opinion and speculation.

"It was only a personal... without facts.

"I don’t know everything.

“I said, ‘I believe because of other cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime and then they killed’.

“That it is what happened in other cases and I believe this is a typical case but there are no facts for this. It is only my private view.”'

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-may-still-alive-22189090 (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-may-still-alive-22189090)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2020, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 15, 2020, 10:29:50 AM
I think the choir is in three parts and I don't think it is too difficult in retrospect to work out why the Brits were doing digging up parts of Luz in 2014 with the full cooperation of the Judicial Police.

Although I do think the Germans had jumped the gun a bit ...
Madeleine McCann case: 'Huge mistake' to notify suspect he was person of interest
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18517311.madeleine-mccann-case-huge-mistake-notify-suspect-person-interest/


By the way when enjoying the 'lark' please take a moment to remember Madeleine and anyone else who were victims of a predatory paedophile or serious sexual assault in the Algarve before and after Madeleine's disappearance.


Edited to add link

Was Madeleine the victim of a predatory paedophile then?

How do you know that exactly?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 02:35:30 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 02:29:18 PM
Of course I accept there is evidence but only enough for a suspicion to investigate him. In German law they can open an investigation based on suspicion that arrives from the prosecutor's experience in other cases. and lo and behold the Prosecutor has confirmed this is what they have done.

'Asked about saying Madeleine was quickly killed, he added: “This was only a personal statement. I have no facts for this.

"That was only my private opinion and speculation.

"It was only a personal... without facts.

"I don’t know everything.

“I said, ‘I believe because of other cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime and then they killed’.

“That it is what happened in other cases and I believe this is a typical case but there are no facts for this. It is only my private view.”'

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-may-still-alive-22189090 (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-may-still-alive-22189090)
They may well have more evidence than just a, suspicion....but not enough to charge him... We don't know
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 02:36:23 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 15, 2020, 12:48:41 PM
Just when you think that it can’t get any more ridiculous.

What do you expect from the Star
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 15, 2020, 03:03:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 02:36:23 PM
What do you expect from the Star

It managed to get sued,then claim it back from Archer,so who know's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 15, 2020, 03:13:09 PM
Starting to rule him out of other crimes it seem's.

But prosecutor Thomas Kramer confirmed to FOCUS Online there is 'no concrete suspicion, no hot streak.

'His Mobile phone was not logged into the crime scene area. We have no concrete evidence that he was in the immediate vicinity of the crime scene on the day of the crime.'

The prosecutor said Christian B had already been investigated 'comprehensively and intensively'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8422095/Portuguese-police-prepare-search-wells-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-Praia-da-Luz-villa.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 15, 2020, 03:16:04 PM
Meanwhile.

Madeleine McCann's parents Kate and Gerry 'to be shown evidence that she is dead'
EXCLUSIVE: Kate and Gerry McCann’s lawyer Rogerio Alves is set to meet with detectives looking into Madeleine’s fate in a matter of days to be given an update on the investigation

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-kate-gerry-22195137
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 03:48:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 15, 2020, 03:16:04 PM
Meanwhile.

Madeleine McCann's parents Kate and Gerry 'to be shown evidence that she is dead'
EXCLUSIVE: Kate and Gerry McCann’s lawyer Rogerio Alves is set to meet with detectives looking into Madeleine’s fate in a matter of days to be given an update on the investigation

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-kate-gerry-22195137

but of course we cannot beleive everything we read in the paper. It would be  a major breakthrough if this was true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 04:07:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 03:48:41 PM
but of course we cannot beleive everything we read in the paper. It would be  a major breakthrough if this was true

Personally I put more faith in actual words from the prosecutors mouth
rather than a media interpretation based on speculation - 'Kate and Gerry McCann could discover this week what evidence police allegedly have that their daughter is dead'

Vs. 'Asked about saying Madeleine was quickly killed, he added: “This was only a personal statement. I have no facts for this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 04:07:37 PM
Personally I put more faith in actual words from the prosecutors mouth
rather than a media interpretation based on speculation - 'Kate and Gerry McCann could discover this week what evidence police allegedly have that their daughter is dead'

Vs. 'Asked about saying Madeleine was quickly killed, he added: “This was only a personal statement. I have no facts for this.

Where did the prosecutor say this...do you have  a link
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 04:12:01 PM
Where did the prosecutor say this...do you have  a link

Yes I posted the entire quote and link earlier.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-may-still-alive-22189090

'Asked about saying Madeleine was quickly killed, he added: “This was only a personal statement. I have no facts for this.

"That was only my private opinion and speculation.

"It was only a personal... without facts.

"I don’t know everything.

“I said, ‘I believe because of other cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime and then they killed’.

“That it is what happened in other cases and I believe this is a typical case but there are no facts for this. It is only my private view.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 04:24:12 PM

So still Innocent Until Proven Guilty then.

Meanwhile, The McCanns are still Guilty Until Proven Innocent;  And probably not even then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 15, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2020, 01:53:08 PM
It's been said before that Tannerman & Smithman could be the same person.

I'd like to see the reconstruction of Brueckner popping in to the hairdressers between 9.15 & 10.00.

Maybe he left Maddie in his camper van whilst he had a quick trim.

Oh, don't you know, he could have been wearing a wig - according to someone on here
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 04:39:34 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 04:15:44 PM
Yes I posted the entire quote and link earlier.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-may-still-alive-22189090

'Asked about saying Madeleine was quickly killed, he added: “This was only a personal statement. I have no facts for this.

"That was only my private opinion and speculation.

"It was only a personal... without facts.

"I don’t know everything.

“I said, ‘I believe because of other cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime and then they killed’.

“That it is what happened in other cases and I believe this is a typical case but there are no facts for this. It is only my private view.”
As I expected... A newspaper report.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 04:40:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 04:24:12 PM
So still Innocent Until Proven Guilty then.

Meanwhile, The McCanns are still Guilty Until Proven Innocent;  And probably not even then.

Maybe to some, I recognise legally they have never been charged or found guilty of anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 04:39:34 PM
As I expected... A newspaper report.

How do you expect the prosecutor's words to make it over to us, unless it is reported somewhere?

The difference is it's a direct quote from the prosecutor's mouth. Not the same as a report that speculates about what the McCanns may or may not be shown in a meeting.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 04:40:12 PM
Maybe to some, I recognise legally they have never been charged or found guilty of anything.

I am really pleased to hear that.  This is the spirit of this Forum.  Although you might wonder sometimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 04:51:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 15, 2020, 03:13:09 PM
Starting to rule him out of other crimes it seem's.

But prosecutor Thomas Kramer confirmed to FOCUS Online there is 'no concrete suspicion, no hot streak.

'His Mobile phone was not logged into the crime scene area. We have no concrete evidence that he was in the immediate vicinity of the crime scene on the day of the crime.'

The prosecutor said Christian B had already been investigated 'comprehensively and intensively'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8422095/Portuguese-police-prepare-search-wells-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-Praia-da-Luz-villa.html
Nothing to rule him in, but nothing to rule him out either it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 04:51:55 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 04:40:12 PM
Maybe to some, I recognise legally they have never been charged or found guilty of anything.

The archiving report said they lost the chance to prove their innocence...what a stupid thing to say
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 04:43:57 PM
How do you expect the prosecutor's words to make it over to us, unless it is reported somewhere?

The difference is it's a direct quote from the prosecutor's mouth. Not the same as a report that speculates about what the McCanns may or may not be shown in a meeting.

We can see his actual words on a video.  What you have produced is a newspaper report claiming these ate his actual words without any context. The report does not guarantee accuracy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 04:54:12 PM
We can see his actual words on a video.  What you have produced is a newspaper report claiming these ate his actual words without any context. The report does not guarantee accuracy

And.....A video might require translation, or you could say English isn't his first language...It would be ridiculous for anyone to try and suggest 100% accuracy from a transcribed interview, so I didn't. There is context there if you read it.
 If you think it's likely him saying 3 times in the same interview there are 'no facts' is made up or by chance you are being unreasonable IMO.

'I have no facts for this.'

I't was only a personal... without facts.'

'but there are no facts for this.'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 15, 2020, 05:10:54 PM
If directly attributed speech in a  media report is unacceptable, then it is pointless asking anyone for a cite.

Mods please take note.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 05:36:01 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 04:15:44 PM
Yes I posted the entire quote and link earlier.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-may-still-alive-22189090

'Asked about saying Madeleine was quickly killed, he added: “This was only a personal statement. I have no facts for this.

"That was only my private opinion and speculation.

"It was only a personal... without facts.

"I don’t know everything.

“I said, ‘I believe because of other cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime and then they killed’.

“That it is what happened in other cases and I believe this is a typical case but there are no facts for this. It is only my private view.”
That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have strong evidence that she is dead, only that it is not a proven fact that she was killed quickly and after a sexual crime was perpetrated on her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 05:40:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 15, 2020, 05:10:54 PM
If directly attributed speech in a  media report is unacceptable, then it is pointless asking anyone for a cite.

Mods please take note.

In which case it is pointless asking for a Cite for anything in Portuguese regarding The McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 06:03:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 05:36:01 PM
That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have strong evidence that she is dead, only that it is not a proven fact that she was killed quickly and after a sexual crime was perpetrated on her.

Possibly but he does seem to be saying the reason it's classed as murder is because they have based it on what would have happened in other kidnaps of a small child.

'Wolters conceded his theory about Madeleine was based on previous cases involving missing children and paedophiles.

A prosecutor of 17 years, he said: “Because there is no forensic evidence, there may be a little bit of hope [that she is alive].

“We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be
theoretically possible.''

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 15, 2020, 06:04:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 04:51:40 PM
Nothing to rule him in, but nothing to rule him out either it would seem.

I think that my glass would be full that it isn't him - being I don't believe Maddie was abducted.

Although if it did turn out to be him which I  think is highly unlikely - I would be devasted for Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 06:05:42 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 15, 2020, 05:10:54 PM
If directly attributed speech in a  media report is unacceptable, then it is pointless asking anyone for a cite.

Mods please take note.

It's not pointless asking for a cite.. The rules say a cite should be provided.  It's perfectly reasonable to question the reliability of a cite
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 06:11:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 15, 2020, 06:04:57 PM
I think that my glass would be full that it isn't him - being I don't believe Maddie was abducted.

Although if it did turn out to be him which I  think is highly unlikely - I would be devasted for Maddie.
What, according to you, happened to Madeleine if she wasn’t abducted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 06:18:58 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 15, 2020, 06:04:57 PM
I think that my glass would be full that it isn't him - being I don't believe Maddie was abducted.

Although if it did turn out to be him which I  think is highly unlikely - I would be devasted for Maddie.
I find it odd that some people seem to think that they occupy the moral high ground because they refuse to countenance the possibility that Madeleine was abducted and killed by a pardophile and that anyone who does think it’s likely this German paedo guy did it is somehow happy about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 06:23:08 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 15, 2020, 06:04:57 PM
I think that my glass would be full that it isn't him - being I don't believe Maddie was abducted.

Although if it did turn out to be him which I  think is highly unlikely - I would be devasted for Maddie.
I certainly wouldnt be devastated... I already feel sorry for Maddie and her family but not devastated
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 06:18:58 PM
I find it odd that some people seem to think that they occupy the moral high ground because they refuse to countenance the possibility that Madeleine was abducted and killed by a pardophile and that anyone who does think it’s likely this German paedo guy did it is somehow happy about it.

I think it's a reasonable possibility it was him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 15, 2020, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 05:40:20 PM
In which case it is pointless asking for a Cite for anything in Portuguese regarding The McCanns.

You make (or enforce) the rules on cites, not us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 06:35:18 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 15, 2020, 06:30:33 PM
You make (or enforce) the rules on cites, not us.

Since I very rarely give Cites I am equally reluctant to ask for them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 06:37:32 PM
https://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-new-madeleine-mccann-suspect.html
Does this profiler have any credibility?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 15, 2020, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 06:35:18 PM
Since I very rarely give Cites I am equally reluctant to ask for them.

Accepted but the moderator who is being asked for a quote on the other thread insists on one.....although on if you question the parent’s narrative.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 06:37:32 PM
https://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-new-madeleine-mccann-suspect.html
Does this profiler have any credibility?

Never had in reality ..she says..Because robbers do not snatch children. Does she not know his criminal record.
sceptics have been saying tis for years but we now have a burglar with a history of paedophilia
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 06:49:58 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 15, 2020, 06:40:00 PM
Accepted but the moderator who is being asked for a quote on the other thread insists on one.....although only if you question the parent’s narrative.

You will have to take that up with the other Moderator.  I don't interfere in other Moderator's decisions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2020, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 06:42:37 PM
Never had in reality ..she says..Because robbers do not snatch children. Does she not know his criminal record.
sceptics have been saying tis for years but we now have a burglar with a history of paedophilia

Do we know how old his victims were yet?

Were they 3 years old or 15 & three quarters?

I happen to think that makes a difference, even if everyone else doesn't.


Oh, no wait, here we go...

Aged 17, Brueckner had abused a six-year-old girl in a playground and exposed himself to a nine-year-old in Bavaria.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

Obviously, 12 years later on his paedophilia urges finally got the better of him & he just had to have Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 06:42:37 PM
Never had in reality ..she says..Because robbers do not snatch children. Does she not know his criminal record.
sceptics have been saying tis for years but we now have a burglar with a history of paedophilia
‘Ex-girlfriends may make stuff up or disremember something or exaggerate something’. Her negative gender stereotyping seems to be lacking. My view.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 06:57:23 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 06:37:32 PM
https://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-new-madeleine-mccann-suspect.html
Does this profiler have any credibility?

Oh God, not her again.  Awful woman who always gets things wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 06:37:32 PM
https://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-new-madeleine-mccann-suspect.html
Does this profiler have any credibility?
Haha, no.  She’s got a track record for getting many things horribly wrong IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 07:05:07 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2020, 06:53:14 PM
Do we know how old his victims were yet?

Were they 3 years old or 15 & three quarters?

I happen to think that makes a difference, even if everyone else doesn't.


Oh, no wait, here we go...

Aged 17, Brueckner had abused a six-year-old girl in a playground and exposed himself to a nine-year-old in Bavaria.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

Obviously, 12 years later on his paedophilia urges finally got the better of him & he just had to have Maddie.
You think there’s absolutely no likelihood he offended in the intervening years then?  Apart from the odd violent rape of an old woman, and a bit of kiddie porn to tide him over?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2020, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 07:05:07 PM
You think there’s absolutely no likelihood he offended in the intervening years then?  Apart from the odd violent rape of an old woman, and a bit of kiddie porn to tide him over?

Maybe he did?

That still wouldn't mean he abducted Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 06:37:32 PM
https://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-new-madeleine-mccann-suspect.html
Does this profiler have any credibility?

I'm not a fan either. I haven't seen any evidence of professional cases she's actually worked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 07:10:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2020, 07:06:23 PM
Maybe he did?

That still wouldn't mean he abducted Maddie.
I think because of his criminal history and his close proximity to thr apartment  on the evening it makes him a likely candidate.  Funnily enough the German police seem to think so too.  What do you think their game is then? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 07:06:38 PM
I'm not a fan either. I haven't seen any evidence of professional cases she's actually worked.

She worked with and trained The FBI you know.  Except that they don't remember.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2020, 07:13:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 07:10:33 PM
I think because of his criminal history and his close proximity to thr apartment  on the evening it makes him a likely candidate.  Funnily enough the German police seem to think so too.  What do you think their game is then?

I've no idea.

But the fact remains, there's more evidence the McCanns were in 5a than evidence he was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 07:14:52 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 07:06:38 PM
I'm not a fan either. I haven't seen any evidence of professional cases she's actually worked.
I’ve just read her (laughable) theory.  She doesn’t seem to realise that the German police are instrumental in pointing the finger at this new suspect not the Met.  Attention to detail is obviously not her strongest point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 07:16:20 PM
“The ONLY way he could be linked to the crime would be if he were taking away a dead child on request”.  Pat Brown.  Yes dear, time for your meds. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 07:22:51 PM
According to Pat Brown, burglars don’t abduct children.  Except it doesn’t take more than a minute on Google to find an example of just such a burglar, and fromPat Brown’s very own USofA

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/04/police-arrest-man-accused-in-abduction-of-4-year-old-central-pa-girl.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 07:33:53 PM
Did she not come across the fact a good chunk of burglars progress to sex crimes in her studies? Some of them enjoy the crossing of boundaries ( being in private spaces/ homes etc)  and it escalates from there.
 Odd she hasn't considered this possibility as a 'profiler'.

I have my doubts with the abduction narrative as it stands but her theory is one hell of a jump.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 07:48:13 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 07:33:53 PM
Did she not come across the fact a good chunk of burglars progress to sex crimes in her studies? Some of them enjoy the crossing of boundaries ( being in private spaces/ homes etc)  and it escalates from there.
 Odd she hasn't considered this possibility as a 'profiler'.

I have my doubts with the abduction narrative as it stands but her theory is one hell of a jump.

she gives too much credence to the dog alerts to be taken seriously
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 07:52:53 PM

Wasn't Pat Brown in Praia Da Luz with Peter Mac when he lifted those shutters by hand?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 07:48:13 PM
she gives too much credence to the dog alerts to be taken seriously

Well there's tons of things she gives too much credence to. Jumping to conclusions all over the place!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 08:34:32 PM
Just a note: on a couple of German television channels, Christian Brückner is referred to by his middle name, ‘Stefan’. It took me back to the psychic criminal profilers’ ‘Haunting Evidence’ in 2008 where they referred to the man being ‘Steve or Stav’ responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance.
I apologise if this not on-topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on June 15, 2020, 08:38:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 07:52:53 PM
Wasn't Pat Brown in Praia Da Luz with Peter Mac when he lifted those shutters by hand?
He was with Pat Brown correct but the demonstration was to show that it was impossible to open them sufficiently to achieve the intended  goal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 08:42:22 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on June 15, 2020, 08:38:49 PM
He was with Pat Brown correct but the demonstration was to show that it was impossible to open them sufficiently to achieve the intended  goal

He failed...what he showed conclusively was that the shutters could be opened from the outside.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2020, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 08:34:32 PM
Just a note: on a couple of German television channels, Christian Brückner is referred to by his middle name, ‘Stefan’. It took me back to the psychic criminal profilers’ ‘Haunting Evidence’ in 2008 where they referred to the man being ‘Steve or Stav’ responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance.
I apologise if this not on-topic.

Yeah, I remember Stav.

He was described as looking & sounding middle eastern, possibly Eygptian.

Christian Brueckner, with his white skin & German accent fits that profile quite well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 15, 2020, 08:53:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 08:34:32 PM
Just a note: on a couple of German television channels, Christian Brückner is referred to by his middle name, ‘Stefan’. It took me back to the psychic criminal profilers’ ‘Haunting Evidence’ in 2008 where they referred to the man being ‘Steve or Stav’ responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance.
I apologise if this not on-topic.

Topic’s not the problem with your post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 08:57:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 08:42:22 PM
He failed...what he showed conclusively was that the shutters could be opened from the outside.

Sufficiently enough to open the window.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 09:03:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2020, 08:48:28 PM
Yeah, I remember Stav.

He was described as looking & sounding middle eastern, possibly Eygptian.

Christian Brueckner, with his white skin & German accent fits that profile quite well.
I have noticed that. Apparently, ‘Both German and Egyptian Arabic cannot read the english word The and thing. They would pronounce them za and sing respectively. This is why an Egyptian speaking English would sound like a German’. (Quora).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 15, 2020, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 15, 2020, 08:53:08 PM
Topic’s not the problem with your post.
Please tell.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 15, 2020, 09:11:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 15, 2020, 08:57:24 PM
Sufficiently enough to open the window.
He tried to show that even if the shutters were lifted they would fall back down. What he didnt realise was that by opening the widow it was possible to reach the strap which would keep the shutters open.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 10:05:51 PM
'German prosecutors have written to Madeleine McCann’s parents to say that "getting the culprit is more important than putting our cards on the table".

Police in the northern city of Braunschweig are investigating the disappearance of the British three-year-old and have said they have “concrete evidence” she is dead.

But they have repeatedly refused to share specific details with her family of what the evidence is until they are able to charge their prime suspect, Christian Brückner.

Brückner was first publicly linked to Madeleine two weeks ago when Braunschweig police made an appeal for more information on his whereabouts the night she went missing.

The authorities are unable to charge the 43-year-old convicted paedophile with Madeleine’s murder with the evidence they currently have, but have insisted their case against him is “90 per cent” there.
'Police withhold proof of Madeleine McCann's 'death' from her parents

15 June 2020 • 9:34pm

Speaking in his Braunschweig office on Monday, Mr Wolters said: "We have written to the McCanns again because we are closely following and monitoring what has been going on in the media. We have really considered the fact that it is going to be very hard for the family when we tell them that we assume Madeleine is dead.

“But we can’t say why she is dead. It is more important that we are successful and we are able to get the culprit as opposed to just putting our cards on the table and tell them why we think she might be.

“I know it would be of relief to the parents to know how she died but it would hamper the investigation if we give away too much information."

Mr Wolters's correspondence to the McCanns came as their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves demanded a meeting with police in Portugal in a bid to establish what new evidence there is that Madeleine is dead.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/15/madeleine-mccann-familys-lawyer-wants-portuguese-police-reveal/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/15/madeleine-mccann-familys-lawyer-wants-portuguese-police-reveal/)



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 10:22:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 09:11:54 PM
He tried to show that even if the shutters were lifted they would fall back down. What he didnt realise was that by opening the widow it was possible to reach the strap which would keep the shutters open.

How did he open a locked window? You can only unlock it from the inside as fingerprints found there can prove.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 10:25:06 PM
Just noticed this bit from the Telegraph;

'Scotland Yard - which has been running a £12 million investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance since 2012 - issued misleading information on Brückner’s Jaguar in their appeal earlier this month it emerged on Monday. 

The force incorrectly claimed the vehicle was in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. However Mr Wolters confirmed it was in Germany by May 4, the day after Madeleine vanished, meaning it is unlikely that it could have been involved in the abduction.''
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 10:51:19 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 10:22:44 PM
How did he open a locked window? You can only unlock it from the inside as fingerprints found there can prove.
How do you know it was locked that night?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 10:55:55 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 10:25:06 PM
Just noticed this bit from the Telegraph;

'Scotland Yard - which has been running a £12 million investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance since 2012 - issued misleading information on Brückner’s Jaguar in their appeal earlier this month it emerged on Monday. 

The force incorrectly claimed the vehicle was in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. However Mr Wolters confirmed it was in Germany by May 4, the day after Madeleine vanished, meaning it is unlikely that it could have been involved in the abduction.''
Intriguing.  I wonder what time it was logged as arriving in Germany, and whereabouts.  It takes 26 hours to drive from PdL to Braunschweig according to AA Routeplanner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 11:09:00 PM
As the disappearance was reported at around 10pm on 3 May 2007 the jag had nothing to do with the disappearance being in Germany on 4 May.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 10:55:55 PM
Intriguing.  I wonder what time it was logged as arriving in Germany, and whereabouts.  It takes 26 hours to drive from PdL to Braunschweig according to AA Routeplanner.

And who was driving?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 11:11:26 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 11:09:00 PM
As the disappearance was reported at around 10pm on 3 May 2007 the jag had nothing to do with the disappearance being in Germany on 4 May.
How do you know what time it was registered as being in Germany?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 11:11:46 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 11:09:17 PM
And who was driving?
The owner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 11:16:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 10:51:19 PM
How do you know it was locked that night?

The cleaner who was there on 2 May is the witness to answer that question. I doubt cleaners leave window unlocked with small children inside. You would think the parents would have checked them unless they want anybody to enter as seems to be the myth in this case.

"But it did surprise me a bit with Kate, because I think, you know, she is, between her and Gerry, they are very different, she is very cautious, Gerry, erm, you know, is probably more sort of happy to, tut, relax and go with the flow and that sort of thing, Kate is very, very much more cautious."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 11:20:54 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 11:16:20 PM
The cleaner who was there on 2 May is the witness to answer that question. I doubt cleaners leave window unlocked with small children inside. You would think the parents would have checked them unless they want anybody to enter as seems to be the myth in this case.

"But it did surprise me a bit with Kate, because I think, you know, she is, between her and Gerry, they are very different, she is very cautious, Gerry, erm, you know, is probably more sort of happy to, tut, relax and go with the flow and that sort of thing, Kate is very, very much more cautious."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
So you’ve no idea, just speculating.  Thanks,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 11:22:42 PM
From today’s Times

“German investigators believe that Christian Brückner killed Madeleine shortly after abducting her from a holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Yesterday they said that they were looking for links to an incident involving a ten-year-old British girl in the same resort in 2005, the year Brückner raped a woman at a villa near by.

Police know of nine sexual assaults and three attempts against British girls between the ages of six and 12 on holiday in the area between 2004 and 2006”.

These are the sexual assaults that members of this forum believed were invented by “Team McCann” if I recall correctly.  Why are the German police investigating fictional assaults then, can anyone explain?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 11:27:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 11:20:54 PM
So you’ve no idea, just speculating.  Thanks,

That is evidence from witnesses. A very cautious person does the opposite. Why? They all thought it was a very safe place but as soon as Madeleine disappeared the father is shouting evil pedos did it? None of this adds up as any sane person should know. There is a reason for all this contradictory behaviour!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 15, 2020, 11:35:46 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53043818

Portuguese police say the German evidence against the new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case is "significant".

A senior police source also told the BBC they were keen to cooperate in the investigation into the disappearance of the British girl in Portugal in 2007.

The new suspect is a 43-year-old German man, named in reports as Christian B, who is in prison in Germany.

He was revealed as the main suspect earlier this month, as German and UK police made a fresh appeal for help.

The convicted paedophile is believed to have been in the area where Madeleine, aged three, was last seen while on holiday in Portugal.


A senior Portuguese police source, who has seen the German evidence against Christian B, has told the BBC it is "very important" and "significant".

The source also rejected criticism that their procedures were slow, amid reports that the German authorities have privately been critical of their Portuguese counterparts.

Another source close to the investigation said Portuguese police accepted that Christian B was now a suspect.

Asked whether they had access to his previous convictions for child sexual offences at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, he said it was important not to judge the past with the benefit of hindsight, and that police systems since then had changed.


Some of those who knew the German suspect during his time in Portugal have criticised the investigation as "very slow", telling the BBC that they were only approached by police - either British or Portuguese - in the past year or two.

Several people remembered Christian B as angry and untrustworthy, with one neighbour saying he squatted in a nearby house without paying rent, and left it "ransacked" in a terrible state when he departed, two years before Madeleine's disappearance.


Analysis
By BBC news correspondent Lucy Williamson, in Praia da Luz

When German police - newcomers to the Madeleine McCann investigation - announced they had evidence that indicated the toddler was dead, it seemed to get a cautious response from their Portuguese and British counterparts.

British police stuck to their line that it was a "missing person inquiry", and the impression from Portuguese media was that their own tight-lipped authorities were staying open-minded.

This first-hand confirmation from a senior Portuguese police source that the German evidence is "very important" and "significant" is a sign of how seriously this new development is being taken there.

There's been plenty of mutual recrimination between the British and Portuguese forces in the 13 years since Madeleine McCann vanished from her family's holiday apartment.

Now a third country has entered the quest for answers.

Awkward? Maybe. But the German evidence, it seems, is convincing enough for the Portuguese police to signal their support.

After living for so long under the pressure of unanswered questions, they won't want to be left out of a development that might promise some answers.

German prosecutors have previously said they have evidence that leads them to believe Christian B killed Madeleine, but it wasn't strong enough to take him to court.

Police say the suspect was regularly living in the Algarve in Portugal between 1995 and 2007 and had jobs in the area, including in catering, but also committed burglaries in hotels and dealt drugs.

The suspect is currently serving a jail term in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, for drug-dealing, having been extradited from Portugal in July 2017.

He is believed to have been in the Praia da Luz area in May 2007, when Madeleine went missing while on a family holiday with her parents and siblings.

In December 2019, the man was sentenced to seven years for raping a 72-year-old American woman in the same Portuguese resort in 2005.

The Metropolitan Police, who are working with their German and Portuguese counterparts, have said the case remained a "missing persons" investigation in the UK because there was no "definitive evidence" as to whether Madeleine was alive or not.

Madeleine went missing shortly before her fourth birthday from an apartment in Praia da Luz, while her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were with friends at a nearby tapas bar.

Her disappearance sparked a huge and costly police hunt across much of Europe - the most recent Met Police investigation, which began in 2011, has cost more than £11m.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2020, 11:43:37 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 11:27:49 PM
That is evidence from witnesses. A very cautious person does the opposite. Why? They all thought it was a very safe place but as soon as Madeleine disappeared the father is shouting evil pedos did it? None of this adds up as any sane person should know. There is a reason for all this contradictory behaviour!
Do “very cautious” people leave their kids unattended in an unlocked apartment?  And then parade through the streets of a holiday village carrying a dead body?  How about they thought it was locked but the cleaner left it unlocked accidentally or deliberately?  Now tell me that’s simply impossible!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 11:47:18 PM
It depends on the reason!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 15, 2020, 11:51:09 PM
I did not know CB was questioned in 2013 by German police re Madeleine's case.
Maybe what he told them does not match the evidence they have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 15, 2020, 11:56:56 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 11:16:20 PM
The cleaner who was there on 2 May is the witness to answer that question. I doubt cleaners leave window unlocked with small children inside. You would think the parents would have checked them unless they want anybody to enter as seems to be the myth in this case.

"But it did surprise me a bit with Kate, because I think, you know, she is, between her and Gerry, they are very different, she is very cautious, Gerry, erm, you know, is probably more sort of happy to, tut, relax and go with the flow and that sort of thing, Kate is very, very much more cautious."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

I think this has been answered before, on this forum.   From my memory, it was said that Kate and Gerry, being inexperienced in such shutters, always thought that the shutters were the way of securing the window from burglars.

They thought that when down, they were locked unless operated from inside.

IIRC, they said that they never opened the shutters all week prior to Madeleine vanishing.   During the day. enough light came in via the little slit holes in the shutters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 12:06:28 AM
The shutter is not the security, it is the window being locked to stop somebody getting in! They left the window unlocked and also the cleaner?  Nobody checked with small children inside? That is the room you are going to check more closely with children there!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 16, 2020, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 15, 2020, 11:16:20 PM
The cleaner who was there on 2 May is the witness to answer that question. I doubt cleaners leave window unlocked with small children inside. You would think the parents would have checked them unless they want anybody to enter as seems to be the myth in this case.

"But it did surprise me a bit with Kate, because I think, you know, she is, between her and Gerry, they are very different, she is very cautious, Gerry, erm, you know, is probably more sort of happy to, tut, relax and go with the flow and that sort of thing, Kate is very, very much more cautious."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
Pfinder, I am fortunate enough to have been very well travelled for much of my life.  I have stayed in hundreds of hotels from no stars right up to Grand Hotels, but mainly at 4* hotels.

I can honestly say that I have never seen the daily room cleaners, clean the windows except on change over day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 12:21:54 AM
More than 600 samples from Madeleine McCann apartment 'could be retested'

The former head of Portugal’s National Forensic Medicine Institute has said the evidence collected from the McCanns’ holiday apartment could still prove valuable in unlocking the 13-year mystery.

More than 600 samples including hair and saliva are understood to have been collected from the Praia da Luz apartment Madeleine McCann vanished from on May 3 2007 as her parents ate tapas nearby.

A Portuguese prosecution source yesterday ruled out reports a DNA profile, later confirmed as saliva, taken from the child’s bedspread could provide the vital link between the missing youngster and German suspect Christian Brueckner.

The source told Portuguese daily Correio da Manha it belonged to someone linked to Madeleine’s family and it had been known for a “long time” it was not Brueckner’s.

But Duarte Nuno Vieira, President of Portugal’s National Forensic Medicine Institute when the youngster vanished, said all the samples taken were kept under lock and key at a lab in the northern city of Coimbra and could be used for re-testing with today’s modern technology whenever needed.

He told Portuguese broadcaster CMTV: “The samples are still being kept in optimum conditions and despite the fact 13 years have gone by, it’s still possible today to repeat tests.”

In a separate interview with TVI, he added: “Things don’t happen as fast as they do on TV series like CSI and can take days, weeks or even months to complete.

“But in terms of quality, Portugal does some of the highest quality forensic work of any country and in the Maddie case the forensic work done was quick and competent.

“The fact 13 years has gone by doesn’t mean the hundreds of samples collected can’t be revisited again.

“There was hair, blood and saliva samples among the enormous amount of material that was collected and analysed.

“The results of everything that was tested in 2007 are available and if there was a new DNA profile with someone whose DNA had to be compared with one or more of those samples, that could be done.

“The identification of people responsible for crimes can sometimes take decades.

“The preservation of DNA depends on the interaction of a series of very complex conditions but once samples are taken and a DNA profile can be obtained from them and they are stored in ideal conditions, they can be preserved for decades.”

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/more-600-samples-madeleine-mccann-22192800
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 16, 2020, 12:24:52 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 12:06:28 AM
The shutter is not the security, it is the window being locked to stop somebody getting in! They left the window unlocked and also the cleaner?  Nobody checked with small children inside? That is the room you are going to check more closely with children there!

We all know that NOW, but at the time, The Mccanns thought that the shutters were the main security for the room.   Tbh, with such beliefs, it probably wouldn't matter to them whether the window was locked or not.   

My bet is that a lot of Brit holiday makers with the same innocence of the way the shutters were not burglar proof, would leave the windows fully slid open on hot days, in order to keep the non air conditioned rooms cool.   After all their thinking would be that the shutter was complete security and a burglar would not know the window was open anyway.

Think about it Pfinder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 12:42:09 AM
I have and none of it adds up so you think about it. Very cautious people like Kate does not check if their children's window is locked. That does not add up! Do you believe common sense just disappears? Most try them out to check like Gerry did when he broke the shutters!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 16, 2020, 05:30:08 AM
Latest News: The German prosecutor's office have informed Kate and Gerry McCann of their conclusions by letter...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-letter-to-parents-says-there-is-concrete-evidence-she-is-dead-12007630 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-letter-to-parents-says-there-is-concrete-evidence-she-is-dead-12007630)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=araPHguucl8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=araPHguucl8)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 06:21:24 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 12:21:54 AM
More than 600 samples from Madeleine McCann apartment 'could be retested'

The former head of Portugal’s National Forensic Medicine Institute has said the evidence collected from the McCanns’ holiday apartment could still prove valuable in unlocking the 13-year mystery.

More than 600 samples including hair and saliva are understood to have been collected from the Praia da Luz apartment Madeleine McCann vanished from on May 3 2007 as her parents ate tapas nearby.

A Portuguese prosecution source yesterday ruled out reports a DNA profile, later confirmed as saliva, taken from the child’s bedspread could provide the vital link between the missing youngster and German suspect Christian Brueckner.

The source told Portuguese daily Correio da Manha it belonged to someone linked to Madeleine’s family and it had been known for a “long time” it was not Brueckner’s.

But Duarte Nuno Vieira, President of Portugal’s National Forensic Medicine Institute when the youngster vanished, said all the samples taken were kept under lock and key at a lab in the northern city of Coimbra and could be used for re-testing with today’s modern technology whenever needed.

He told Portuguese broadcaster CMTV: “The samples are still being kept in optimum conditions and despite the fact 13 years have gone by, it’s still possible today to repeat tests.”

In a separate interview with TVI, he added: “Things don’t happen as fast as they do on TV series like CSI and can take days, weeks or even months to complete.

“But in terms of quality, Portugal does some of the highest quality forensic work of any country and in the Maddie case the forensic work done was quick and competent.

“The fact 13 years has gone by doesn’t mean the hundreds of samples collected can’t be revisited again.

“There was hair, blood and saliva samples among the enormous amount of material that was collected and analysed.

“The results of everything that was tested in 2007 are available and if there was a new DNA profile with someone whose DNA had to be compared with one or more of those samples, that could be done.

“The identification of people responsible for crimes can sometimes take decades.

“The preservation of DNA depends on the interaction of a series of very complex conditions but once samples are taken and a DNA profile can be obtained from them and they are stored in ideal conditions, they can be preserved for decades.”

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/more-600-samples-madeleine-mccann-22192800

I'm afraid the Irish Mirror has got things a bit mixed up. The source of the saliva stain was identified early on, it was not found on her bedspread and wasn't at all linked to anyone in the family - it belonged to the baby son of previous holidaymakers (so obviously not Christian B).

And there was no blood found in the flat.

I have no problem with the INML's capabilities, but they can only test (or retest) what they were given. Now if they could just lay their hands on those missing strands of hair...

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 06:29:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 15, 2020, 01:43:40 PM
The media circus is in full flow in case you hadn't noticed. Who suggested an envoy should be sent to demand answers from the German police? That was a very silly suggestion imo.

The Sun?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 06:47:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 15, 2020, 06:42:37 PM
Never had in reality ..she says..Because robbers do not snatch children. Does she not know his criminal record.
sceptics have been saying tis for years but we now have a burglar with a history of paedophilia

I've found several cases of robbers abducting a child over the years.

Here's one for starters: the poor lttle girl who was abducted from her bath tub while her mum was in another room.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/20/ukcrime
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 07:17:15 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 12:42:09 AM
I have and none of it adds up so you think about it. Very cautious people like Kate does not check if their children's window is locked. That does not add up! Do you believe common sense just disappears? Most try them out to check like Gerry did when he broke the shutters!
You are making assumptions and grasping at straws. These “very cautious” people left the apartment unlocked with their kids inside so it really doesn’t matter if the window was locked or not.  A burglar could easily have entered and opened the window from the inside anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 07:33:04 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 11:22:42 PM
From today’s Times

“German investigators believe that Christian Brückner killed Madeleine shortly after abducting her from a holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Yesterday they said that they were looking for links to an incident involving a ten-year-old British girl in the same resort in 2005, the year Brückner raped a woman at a villa near by.

Police know of nine sexual assaults and three attempts against British girls between the ages of six and 12 on holiday in the area between 2004 and 2006”.

These are the sexual assaults that members of this forum believed were invented by “Team McCann” if I recall correctly.  Why are the German police investigating fictional assaults then, can anyone explain?

I'm getting lost in how many assaults (or near misses) on British girls there were. An article a few pages back mentioned 18 incidents. Checking back, I seem to have missed some.

Simon Israel
23 Apr 2014
Madeleine McCann: ‘very significant’ case emerges


Six more cases have emerged on the Algarve that detectives believe maybe linked to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

General view shows the apartment hotel bAbove: the apartment building from which Madeleine McCann disappeared in 2007.

One, they say, concerns the sexual assault of a 10-year-old British white girl in the “heart of Praia da Luz” two years before Madeleine vanished from an apartment in the same resort in 2007.

It was not reported to police in Portugal or the UK at the time, but Scotland Yard believe the case is “very significant”.

The new cases of sexual assault, on young British girls at night in their holiday accommodation, all took place in the years preceding Madeleine’s disappearance.

There is also what the police describe as a near miss, where the would be attacker was disturbed on entering a bedroom.

The Madeleine investigation is now linking a total of 18 incidents on the Algarve where young British girls between six and 12-years-old have been targeted, where there’s been no forced entry, and where little has been stolen."

https://www.channel4.com/news/by/simon-israel/blogs/madeleine-mccann-very-significant-case-emerges



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 16, 2020, 07:40:13 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 07:17:15 AM
You are making assumptions and grasping at straws. These “very cautious” people left the apartment unlocked with their kids inside so it really doesn’t matter if the window was locked or not.  A burglar could easily have entered and opened the window from the inside anyway.

Why would anyone enter via unlocked door then unlock a window from the inside and leave through a window without leaving any evidence of having done so?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 07:45:19 AM
If this is accurate, there seems to be a bit of friction between the forces. Inevitable, I suppose.


Madeleine McCann: Family lawyer urges British, German and Portuguese police to stop squabbling
Rogerio Alves told Sky News the German prosecutor should tell Madeleine McCann's parents what evidence he has that she is dead.
Martin Brunt - Crime correspondent
Martin Brunt

Crime correspondent @skymartinbrunt

Friday 12 June 2020 21:00, UK

    Madeleine McCann


Madeleine McCann's family lawyer has urged the three police forces investigating her disappearance to stop squabbling between themselves.

Rogerio Alves told Sky News: "This is not the Champions League between police departments. We are wasting time and we are spreading energy instead of co-operating."


There appears to be increasing tension between the German, Portuguese and British police about who knew what and when about the new prime suspect Christian B, who is being held in a prison near Hamburg.
The McCann family lawyer thinks police forces should cooperate more

McCann family lawyer thinks police are wasting time

The Portuguese police say his name was on a list of hundreds of potential suspects handed to the Metropolitan Police in 2012 when the force was preparing its own investigation, but Scotland Yard didn't act on the information.

A German prosecutor insists he has evidence Madeleine is dead and has launched a murder investigation, while Scotland Yard says it still considers Madeleine a missing person.

The German prosecutor also suggested the Portuguese authorities still held her parents Kate and Gerry - who they once considered suspects - responsible for her disappearance. And he said relations with the Portuguese were "cumbersome".

Mr Alves said: "It would be a much stronger investigation if everybody is pushing from the same side. I don't even like to talk about the danger of competition in police because there is something much more important that has to be considered.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-family-lawyer-urges-british-german-and-portuguese-police-to-stop-squabbling-12005556
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 16, 2020, 07:40:13 AM
Why would anyone enter via unlocked door then unlock a window from the inside and leave through a window without leaving any evidence of having done so?

That hasn't been established as fact AFAIK.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 07:58:15 AM
Pondering something.

The Met mentioned however many assaults on UK children. Either one or more paedos were only interested in UK kids for some reason, or forces from other countries haven't released info on kids from their own.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 08:06:30 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 16, 2020, 07:40:13 AM
Why would anyone enter via unlocked door then unlock a window from the inside and leave through a window without leaving any evidence of having done so?
Why not? I didn’t say they left via the window anyway.  Perhaps they opened it to listen, or to visually check, or to let light in, or to communicate with someone outside, or to hand a child through.  Who knows how the brain of a paedo burglar works?  Why would anyone not leave any evidence behind?  Well I’d ave thought that was obvious..,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 08:26:39 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 15, 2020, 03:13:09 PM
Starting to rule him out of other crimes it seem's.

But prosecutor Thomas Kramer confirmed to FOCUS Online there is 'no concrete suspicion, no hot streak.

'His Mobile phone was not logged into the crime scene area. We have no concrete evidence that he was in the immediate vicinity of the crime scene on the day of the crime.'

The prosecutor said Christian B had already been investigated 'comprehensively and intensively'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8422095/Portuguese-police-prepare-search-wells-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-Praia-da-Luz-villa.html

I thought there was an assumption that one of the two numbers released was his. Was the point of the witness appeal to try to verify that?

Not clear which mobile phone he's talking about - one that he has now? He might have had a different one at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 08:29:11 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 08:26:39 AM
I thought there was an assumption that one of the two numbers released was his. Was the point of the witness appeal to try to verify that?

Not clear which mobile phone he's talking about - one that he has now? He might have had a different one at the time.
Barrier’s quote is about a crime involving another missing child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 08:38:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 08:29:11 AM
Barrier’s quote is about a crime involving another missing child.

Ah. Thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 06:21:24 AM
I'm afraid the Irish Mirror has got things a bit mixed up. The source of the saliva stain was identified early on, it was not found on her bedspread and wasn't at all linked to anyone in the family - it belonged to the baby son of previous holidaymakers (so obviously not Christian B).

And there was no blood found in the flat.

I have no problem with the INML's capabilities, but they can only test (or retest) what they were given. Now if they could just lay their hands on those missing strands of hair...

There wasn't ?

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_EDDIE-KEELA.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 09:37:43 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 06:21:24 AM
I'm afraid the Irish Mirror has got things a bit mixed up. The source of the saliva stain was identified early on, it was not found on her bedspread and wasn't at all linked to anyone in the family - it belonged to the baby son of previous holidaymakers (so obviously not Christian B).

And there was no blood found in the flat.

I have no problem with the INML's capabilities, but they can only test (or retest) what they were given. Now if they could just lay their hands on those missing strands of hair...

We are subject to so much information that is either confusing or just incorrect that it is difficult to know what is true.
 Maybe the stain report wasn't quite correct - who knows ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 09:49:23 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
And.....A video might require translation, or you could say English isn't his first language...It would be ridiculous for anyone to try and suggest 100% accuracy from a transcribed interview, so I didn't. There is context there if you read it.
 If you think it's likely him saying 3 times in the same interview there are 'no facts' is made up or by chance you are being unreasonable IMO.

'I have no facts for this.'

I't was only a personal... without facts.'

'but there are no facts for this.'

From the Mail today...appears to be  a direct quote...


‘I sympathise with the parents but if we reveal more details to them it might jeopardise the investigation,’ he said.

‘We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine and this means she is dead.


I think its reasonable to think the Germans may well have something concrete...which would be  a major...major ...breakthrough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 16, 2020, 09:58:20 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 06:21:24 AM
I'm afraid the Irish Mirror has got things a bit mixed up. The source of the saliva stain was identified early on, it was not found on her bedspread and wasn't at all linked to anyone in the family - it belonged to the baby son of previous holidaymakers (so obviously not Christian B).

And there was no blood found in the flat.

I have no problem with the INML's capabilities, but they can only test (or retest) what they were given. Now if they could just lay their hands on those missing strands of hair...

I think the misunderstandings about DNA have rumbled on for about thirteen years.

There would be no significance attached to finding Madeleine's DNA in the apartment.  She did live there.

The significance lies in a match being made to unidentified foreign DNA left behind by an individual who had no business to be on the premises ... and the missing hairs could tell their own story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 10:55:55 PM
Intriguing.  I wonder what time it was logged as arriving in Germany, and whereabouts.  It takes 26 hours to drive from PdL to Braunschweig according to AA Routeplanner.

So some time after midnight into Saturday the 5th,not the next day,so that can be ruled out on that time line.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 16, 2020, 10:25:15 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 09:37:43 AM
We are subject to so much information that is either confusing or just incorrect that it is difficult to know what is true.
 Maybe the stain report wasn't quite correct - who knows ?

There is no doubt that the German suspect's phone was activated in Luz just before Madeleine disappeared  https://www.devonlive.com/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-new-suspect-case-4190666
It is my understanding British Engineers made a record of all relevant phone calls made in the area at the relevant time ... his included ... but he wasn't checked out because at that time although a criminal he was not known as a sex offender.

I wonder if that is why the burglars had to be interviewed in 2014 by Scotland Yard ... if they were known criminals they did not match the profile the investigation had decided to pursue.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 10:28:45 AM
Now the prosecutor is saying he didn't tell the mirror what he allegedly told them....

( obviously this is translated too).

https://regionalheute.de/braunschweig/maddie-mccann-doch-nicht-tot-britische-zeitung-feuert-gegen-braunschweiger-ermittler-1592226745/ (https://regionalheute.de/braunschweig/maddie-mccann-doch-nicht-tot-britische-zeitung-feuert-gegen-braunschweiger-ermittler-1592226745/)

'Unfortunately I can't tell you where the 'Mirror' got its information from, but it's not mine," explains Wolters. Although he had spoken to a newspaper reporter, he could assure him that he had not made such statements. We still have evidence-based evidence that the suspect killed Madeleine McCann. So this is not my private opinion, but the result of the previous investigation, "Wolters clarifies and adds:" However, we do not have forensic evidence of Maddie's death. "......

......The evidence against the murder suspect Christian B. is valid, but would not be sufficient for an indictment. Here, too, false information about the actual evidence would appear to be circulating: "Apparently the lack of real information leads to previous statements being reinterpreted," notes Wolters. No information could be given at all about the amount and completeness of the evidence, "because it is simply not possible at all. I have only communicated that there is as yet no sufficient suspicion of crime. Such is the case if the likelihood of a conviction is greater than that Probability of acquittal, "concludes Public Prosecutor Wolters.

No sufficient suspicion of a crime? But 'concrete' evidence she is dead?...and what previous investigation does he mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 16, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 09:49:23 AM
From the Mail today...appears to be  a direct quote...


‘I sympathise with the parents but if we reveal more details to them it might jeopardise the investigation,’ he said.

‘We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine and this means she is dead.


I think its reasonable to think the Germans may well have something concrete...which would be  a major...major ...breakthrough.

If the Germans do have concrete evidence that Madeleine was killed then they can't tell anyone what it is. They probably need to use it to confront their suspect in due course, so they can't risk it getting out into the public arena. I can understand the McCanns wanting to know, but as intelligent people I would expect them to understand why they can't be told.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 16, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
If the Germans do have concrete evidence that Madeleine was killed then they can't tell anyone what it is. They probably need to use it to confront their suspect in due course, so they can't risk it getting out into the public arena. I can understand the McCanns wanting to know, but as intelligent people I would expect them to understand why they can't be told.

Its probably only known to her killer,so they can't reveal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2020, 06:18:58 PM
I find it odd that some people seem to think that they occupy the moral high ground because they refuse to countenance the possibility that Madeleine was abducted and killed by a pardophile and that anyone who does think it’s likely this German paedo guy did it is somehow happy about it.


- since when does devastated mean happy.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 11:12:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 16, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
If the Germans do have concrete evidence that Madeleine was killed then they can't tell anyone what it is. They probably need to use it to confront their suspect in due course, so they can't risk it getting out into the public arena. I can understand the McCanns wanting to know, but as intelligent people I would expect them to understand why they can't be told.

They almost certainly do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 12:04:36 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-parents-reports-german-authorities-sent-us-letter-about-her-death-false-12007820
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 09:49:23 AM
From the Mail today...appears to be  a direct quote...


‘I sympathise with the parents but if we reveal more details to them it might jeopardise the investigation,’ he said.

‘We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine and this means she is dead.


I think its reasonable to think the Germans may well have something concrete...which would be  a major...major ...breakthrough.
I agree, Davel. I think German police may refer to images of child abuse etc on a USB stick they found hidden under animal bones at a box factory in 2016 when they were looking for Inga Gehrike. Brückner had lived in his caravan at this box factory in Germany in 2016. Perhaps images of Madeleine were found on this stick which make them say they have proof of death but no forensic evidence in the sense of physical evidence?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394855/Christian-Brueckner-linked-FOURTH-unsolved-case.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 15, 2020, 03:13:09 PM
Starting to rule him out of other crimes it seem's.

But prosecutor Thomas Kramer confirmed to FOCUS Online there is 'no concrete suspicion, no hot streak.

'His Mobile phone was not logged into the crime scene area. We have no concrete evidence that he was in the immediate vicinity of the crime scene on the day of the crime.'

The prosecutor said Christian B had already been investigated 'comprehensively and intensively'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8422095/Portuguese-police-prepare-search-wells-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-Praia-da-Luz-villa.html

Quote from: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 12:18:13 PM
I agree, Davel. I think German police may refer to images of child abuse etc on a USB stick they found hidden under animal bones at a box factory in 2016 when they were looking for Inga Gehrike. Brückner had lived in his caravan at this box factory in Germany in 2016. Perhaps images of Madeleine were found on this stick which make them say they have proof of death but no forensic evidence in the sense of physical evidence?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394855/Christian-Brueckner-linked-FOURTH-unsolved-case.html

My post above talks of no evidence to link him to Gehrike.

The German may be in clear over missing Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
It was reported a letter was sent to the McCanns that said police had 'concrete' evidence she was dead.
This was all over The Mail, Sky news, Mirror etc, but apparently it is not true.

'Madeleine McCann parents: Reports we received letter from German authorities about her death 'false'
Kate and Gerry McCann said the reports had "caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives"
In a statement, Kate and Gerry McCann said the reports had "caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives".

"The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE," they wrote.
"As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation - that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested."

It had been reported that a German prosecutor had written to the McCanns telling them he has "concrete evidence" that Madeleine is dead.

It was claimed that Hans Christian Wolters had told the parents that he has no doubt their daughter is dead, but he refused to tell them why.

He reportedly told them that to reveal the evidence would jeopardise his investigation into the German suspect known as Christian B.''.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-parents-reports-german-authorities-sent-us-letter-about-her-death-false-12007820 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-parents-reports-german-authorities-sent-us-letter-about-her-death-false-12007820)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 12:28:42 PM
So what is they are denying? - That they received a letter, or that the alleged content was false ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 12:31:43 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 12:04:36 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-parents-reports-german-authorities-sent-us-letter-about-her-death-false-12007820

This is now such a mess.

Personally, I think that The Germans are fighting their corner over what might have been an internationally incorrect extradition from Italy over a crime committed in Portugal by a German National.

I simply don't know.  But The Germans aren't giving up on their decision easily.  Madeleine McCann is a side issue that isn't of any great importance to The Germans.  Actually, it is disgraceful to use a small child and her family in this fashion.

Meanwhile, Bruckner will remain in prison.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 12:34:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 12:28:42 PM
So what is they are denying? - That they received a letter, or that the alleged content was false ?

Do you think that The McCanns are fibbing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 12:28:42 PM
So what is they are denying? - That they received a letter, or that the alleged content was false ?

I think it could be either. The papers were claiming the letter contained 'concrete' proof. If that was true it doesn't fit with the prosecutor saying he's not divulging evidence to the family.

Another interesting thing is that they have said apparently they have no spokesperson OR
paid lawyer at the moment. So the quotes in the press from Clarence and their lawyer are all false too?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 15, 2020, 10:05:51 PM
'German prosecutors have written to Madeleine McCann’s parents to say that "getting the culprit is more important than putting our cards on the table".

Police in the northern city of Braunschweig are investigating the disappearance of the British three-year-old and have said they have “concrete evidence” she is dead.

But they have repeatedly refused to share specific details with her family of what the evidence is until they are able to charge their prime suspect, Christian Brückner.

Brückner was first publicly linked to Madeleine two weeks ago when Braunschweig police made an appeal for more information on his whereabouts the night she went missing.

The authorities are unable to charge the 43-year-old convicted paedophile with Madeleine’s murder with the evidence they currently have, but have insisted their case against him is “90 per cent” there.
'Police withhold proof of Madeleine McCann's 'death' from her parents

15 June 2020 • 9:34pm

Speaking in his Braunschweig office on Monday, Mr Wolters said: "We have written to the McCanns again because we are closely following and monitoring what has been going on in the media. We have really considered the fact that it is going to be very hard for the family when we tell them that we assume Madeleine is dead.

“But we can’t say why she is dead. It is more important that we are successful and we are able to get the culprit as opposed to just putting our cards on the table and tell them why we think she might be.

“I know it would be of relief to the parents to know how she died but it would hamper the investigation if we give away too much information."

Mr Wolters's correspondence to the McCanns came as their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves demanded a meeting with police in Portugal in a bid to establish what new evidence there is that Madeleine is dead.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/15/madeleine-mccann-familys-lawyer-wants-portuguese-police-reveal/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/15/madeleine-mccann-familys-lawyer-wants-portuguese-police-reveal/)

According to the parents they have had no correspondence with the German police.

Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th 2020
Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media. The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE. Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.
As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested. Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website. If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.
Kate and Gerry

Apologies I now see that this has been posted already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 12:34:24 PM
Do you think that The McCanns are fibbing?

No. Suggesting that they are being ambiguous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 12:50:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 16, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
My post above talks of no evidence to link him to Gehrike.

The German may be in clear over missing Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015
It was reported that Brückner had a small car accident in the vicinity and Inga disappeared the next day.

‘According to Küllmei, on 1 May Brückner was involved in a minor traffic accident at a car park on the A2 motorway, about 100 kilometres from the spot where Inga went missing the next day’.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/05/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-being-investigated-over-second-missing-girl
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 12:50:40 PM
It was reported that Brückner had a small car accident in the vicinity, on the day that Inga disappeared.

Reported by whom ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 01:00:51 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 12:18:13 PM
I agree, Davel. I think German police may refer to images of child abuse etc on a USB stick they found hidden under animal bones at a box factory in 2016 when they were looking for Inga Gehrike. Brückner had lived in his caravan at this box factory in Germany in 2016. Perhaps images of Madeleine were found on this stick which make them say they have proof of death but no forensic evidence in the sense of physical evidence?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394855/Christian-Brueckner-linked-FOURTH-unsolved-case.html

That would certainly fit... And he has a history of taking photographs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 16, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
It was reported a letter was sent to the McCanns that said police had 'concrete' evidence she was dead.
This was all over The Mail, Sky news, Mirror etc, but apparently it is not true.

'Madeleine McCann parents: Reports we received letter from German authorities about her death 'false'
Kate and Gerry McCann said the reports had "caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives"
In a statement, Kate and Gerry McCann said the reports had "caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives".

"The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE," they wrote.
"As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation - that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested."

It had been reported that a German prosecutor had written to the McCanns telling them he has "concrete evidence" that Madeleine is dead.

It was claimed that Hans Christian Wolters had told the parents that he has no doubt their daughter is dead, but he refused to tell them why.

He reportedly told them that to reveal the evidence would jeopardise his investigation into the German suspect known as Christian B.''.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-parents-reports-german-authorities-sent-us-letter-about-her-death-false-12007820 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-parents-reports-german-authorities-sent-us-letter-about-her-death-false-12007820)

This is fast becoming one almighty farce imo. Who is putting out these fake stories and why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 12:38:47 PM
According to the parents they have had no correspondence with the German police.

Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th 2020
Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media. The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE. Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.
As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested. Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website. If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.
Kate and Gerry

Apologies I now see that this has been posted already.

As I said yesterday,  having followed this case for a long time... Nothing in the papers... Even if it looks like a direct quote... Can be relied upon to be true.  It's a matter of reading between the lines
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 01:07:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 16, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
This is fast becoming one almighty farce imo. Who is putting out these fake stories and why?

 I don't know. I think some of it comes from the UK misunderstanding the German prosecutor. That wouldn't explain quotes attributed to Clarence Mitchell and the McCann's lawyer though....now they are saying,

'Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 01:09:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
No. Suggesting that they are being ambiguous.

Aren't we all?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 16, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
This is fast becoming one almighty farce imo. Who is putting out these fake stories and why?
The newspapers are probably responsible for all of them... To sell papers.  I don't think it can be doubted something important is happening and it looks like the abduction theiry was spot on
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 01:29:04 PM
Mark Rowley then an assistant commissioner to the MET in answer to Brunt 2017:

Q: There was a report recently that there was an international manhunt in regards to a person you
were interested in talking to, maybe not even a suspect, maybe a witness?


MR: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 16, 2020, 01:36:32 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 01:07:15 PM
I don't know. I think some of it comes from the UK misunderstanding the German prosecutor. That wouldn't explain quotes attributed to Clarence Mitchell and the McCann's lawyer though....now they are saying,

'Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website'

That's that then. Nothing in the newspapers about the McCanns can be believed. Is their lawyer pressing on unpaid?

Mr Alves said he will be meeting the Policia Judiciaria this week to find out if they are going to start actively investigating the case again.

“I will try to find out what information they have that can support the reopening of the file here,” he said...

“According to Portuguese law, if the prosecutor has new information about the crime he should reopen it.

“I don’t know how strong the new evidence is so I don’t know what the prosecutor is going to do
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-kate-gerry-22195137?_ga=2.247652228.203776975.1592310466-527030800.1592310466

When did the Portuguese stop investigating the case then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 01:09:27 PM
Aren't we all?

Someone has to be lying.

The parents say they don’t have a spokesperson but we have seen Mitchell in all his glory talking to ITV to all the world as if he’s still their spokesperson.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-04/police-appeal-for-information-after-german-child-sex-offender-identified-as-suspect-in-madeleine-mccann-case/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 01:26:10 PM
The newspapers are probably responsible for all of them... To sell papers.  I don't think it can be doubted something important is happening and it looks like the abduction theiry was spot on


It's not just to sell newspapers thou is it its all the top news channels as well as SKY BBC ITV etc.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 01:44:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 16, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
This is fast becoming one almighty farce imo. Who is putting out these fake stories and why?

Exactly I also said this a couple of days ago, its really concerning - why they are doing this and whos behind it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 16, 2020, 01:36:32 PM
That's that then. Nothing in the newspapers about the McCanns can be believed. Is their lawyer pressing on unpaid?

Mr Alves said he will be meeting the Policia Judiciaria this week to find out if they are going to start actively investigating the case again.

“I will try to find out what information they have that can support the reopening of the file here,” he said...

“According to Portuguese law, if the prosecutor has new information about the crime he should reopen it.

“I don’t know how strong the new evidence is so I don’t know what the prosecutor is going to do
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-kate-gerry-22195137?_ga=2.247652228.203776975.1592310466-527030800.1592310466

When did the Portuguese stop investigating the case then?

Did they ever start?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
Well, I have tried to refrain from saying something - but I just can't get over them saying this. F.G.S.

Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th 2020
reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE. Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 02:14:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
Well, I have tried to refrain from saying something - but I just can't get over them saying this. F.G.S.

Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th 2020
reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE. Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.

Nothing wrong with that imo.  As you don't like the McCanns it's no surprise to me you want to criticise just about everything they say...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 02:16:34 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 01:39:18 PM

It's not just to sell newspapers thou is it its all the top news channels as well as SKY BBC ITV etc.

SKY... ITV... Are commercial stations... It's all about viewing figures and has been for 13 years
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 12:04:36 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-parents-reports-german-authorities-sent-us-letter-about-her-death-false-12007820


I'm still trying to work out what's accurate in all the variations.

The interpreter said "expect" that she's dead. As usual, details tend to get mangled in the tabloids. The prosecutor may well find that to be a logical potential outcome, or there could be legal reasons for attempting to prove murder first as opposed to lesser charges.

I find it odd that the German police haven't yet shared info with the Met and the PJ Porto team (allegedly). I can understand being wary of the Faro / Portimão lot with their history of leaking to their favoured media. I'm wondering how much of that is true.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 16, 2020, 01:36:32 PM
That's that then. Nothing in the newspapers about the McCanns can be believed. Is their lawyer pressing on unpaid?

Mr Alves said he will be meeting the Policia Judiciaria this week to find out if they are going to start actively investigating the case again.

“I will try to find out what information they have that can support the reopening of the file here,” he said...

“According to Portuguese law, if the prosecutor has new information about the crime he should reopen it.

“I don’t know how strong the new evidence is so I don’t know what the prosecutor is going to do
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-kate-gerry-22195137?_ga=2.247652228.203776975.1592310466-527030800.1592310466

When did the Portuguese stop investigating the case then?

Good question. Something a bit odd, there. Crossed wires?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 02:20:42 PM


I'm still trying to work out what's accurate in all the variations.

The interpreter said "expect" that she's dead. As usual, details tend to get mangled in the tabloids. The prosecutor may well find that to be a logical potential outcome, or there could be legal reasons for attempting to prove murder first as opposed to lesser charges.

I find it odd that the German police haven't yet shared info with the Met and the PJ Porto team (allegedly). I can understand being wary of the Faro / Portimão lot with their history of leaking to their favoured media. I'm wondering how much of that is true.

As I've said we need to be wary of what we believe but I would think there is something quite significant going on.  We will soon know
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 02:14:33 PM
Nothing wrong with that imo.  As you don't like the McCanns it's no surprise to me you want to criticise just about everything they day...

Oh, common D it's not about not liking them its about no sympathy for them - and is it any wonder why.

They don't want their lives disrupting awwwwwwww - what a shame.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 02:28:30 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 02:25:30 PM

Oh, common D it's not about not liking them its about no sympathy for them - and is it any wonder why.

They don't want their lives disrupting awwwwwwww - what a shame.
As I said you don't like them... I'm afraid it seems many people have sympathy for them
I'm interested in what happened to Maddie.. Not interested in dissecting every word the parents say
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 02:20:42 PM


I'm still trying to work out what's accurate in all the variations.

The interpreter said "expect" that she's dead. As usual, details tend to get mangled in the tabloids. The prosecutor may well find that to be a logical potential outcome, or there could be legal reasons for attempting to prove murder first as opposed to lesser charges.

I find it odd that the German police haven't yet shared info with the Met and the PJ Porto team (allegedly). I can understand being wary of the Faro / Portimão lot with their history of leaking to their favoured media. I'm wondering how much of that is true.

I find it odd that the German police haven't yet shared info with the Met and the PJ Porto team (allegedly). I can understand being wary of the Faro / Portimão lot with their history of leaking to their favoured media. I'm wondering how much of that is true.


The way things are going - perhaps its because they haven't anything to share apart from a name out of 600 suspects,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 16, 2020, 02:39:52 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
Someone has to be lying.

The parents say they don’t have a spokesperson but we have seen Mitchell in all his glory talking to ITV to all the world as if he’s still their spokesperson.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-04/police-appeal-for-information-after-german-child-sex-offender-identified-as-suspect-in-madeleine-mccann-case/

There was even a little label "McCann family spokesman". Obviously he wasn't speaking on their behalf just giving his own opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 16, 2020, 02:39:52 PM
There was even a little label "McCann family spokesman". Obviously he wasn't speaking on their behalf just giving his own opinion.

Remember it's s newspaper report saying they have no spokesman... Not the mccanns themselves
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 02:28:30 PM
As I said you don't like them... I'm afraid it seems many people have sympathy for them
I'm interested in what happened to Maddie.. Not interested in dissecting every word the parents say

As you know so am I interested in Maddie - and believe they were involved.

So you tell me why I should sympathize with them - as you say many do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 02:59:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 16, 2020, 02:39:52 PM
There was even a little label "McCann family spokesman". Obviously he wasn't speaking on their behalf just giving his own opinion.


So now we have a spokesperson speaking for them who’s not really their spokesperson and a lawyer speaking for them who’s not really their lawyer.

Absolutely bizarre.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
I find it odd that the German police haven't yet shared info with the Met and the PJ Porto team (allegedly). I can understand being wary of the Faro / Portimão lot with their history of leaking to their favoured media. I'm wondering how much of that is true.


The way things are going - perhaps its because they haven't anything to share apart from a name out of 600 suspects,

No, I don't think so. Some time ago, there were reports that the Met had finally whittled down their leads to one suspect. If true, it might well be this chap.

He does seem to have been in the vicinity of numerous cases... Even so, it's still possible that he's another red herring in the case, despite whatever else he has or may have done.


There's a segment with Jim Gamble on this (after Clarence):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeOI1HrbnmQ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 02:52:30 PM
As you know so am I interested in Maddie - and believe they were involved.

So you tell me why I should sympathize with them - as you say many do.

You don't have to.. Doesn't bother me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 03:00:42 PM
No, I don't think so. Some time ago, there were reports that the Met had finally whittled down their leads to one suspect. If true, it might well be this chap.

He does seem to have been in the vicinity of numerous cases... Even so, it's still possible that he's another red herring in the case, despite whatever else he has or may have done.


There's a segment with Jim Gamble on this (after Clarence):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeOI1HrbnmQ

Clarence Mitchell was introduced as the parent’s spokesperson yet the parents say this Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Your thoughts ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 03:08:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 02:43:55 PM
Remember it's s newspaper report saying they have no spokesman... Not the mccanns themselves

No, that bit came from the official Find Madeliene page.

.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 03:12:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 02:43:55 PM
Remember it's s newspaper report saying they have no spokesman... Not the mccanns themselves

Oh yes it is and while they did not need to say anything they have chosen to. Your thoughts ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 03:00:42 PM
No, I don't think so. Some time ago, there were reports that the Met had finally whittled down their leads to one suspect. If true, it might well be this chap.

He does seem to have been in the vicinity of numerous cases... Even so, it's still possible that he's another red herring in the case, despite whatever else he has or may have done.


There's a segment with Jim Gamble on this (after Clarence):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeOI1HrbnmQ

If they had whittled it down the met to him why haven't they done the groundwork - like search where he lived

It's not as if they didn't have the money. Yet it seems as if it been left to a comment made in a bar and the rest hearsay.

Why are SY waiting for the  Germans to scrape the barrel - When they have had millions to do there own work.

All they seem to have at the moment is fake news after fake news - its a shambles.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 03:45:46 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 03:12:26 PM
Oh yes it is and while they did not need to say anything they have chosen to. Your thoughts ?

 ...Unless the german lead has said six contradictory things...the papers are not accurate. Its the papers reporting what they think/claim the McCanns said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 03:48:22 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
If they had whittled it down the met to him why haven't they done the groundwork - like search where he lived

It's not as if they didn't have the money. Yet it seems as if it been left to a comment made in a bar and the rest hearsay.

Why are SY waiting for the  Germans to scrape the barrel - When they have had millions to do there own work.

All they seem to have at the moment is fake news after fake news - its a shambles.

i think the germans have something quite concrete and you and others here are finding that hard to accept because for years  its been claimed an abduction never happened. It looks as though that just may be proven wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 03:58:55 PM
'The German prosecutor claiming Madeleine McCann is dead may have video of the incident or of her dead body, Sky News Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt has speculated.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters is building a case against a man he suspects may have killed Maddie McCann, and has repeatedly said she is dead.'

What is the point Mr Brunt?

The German prosecutors 'case' is based on suspicion of a murder because that's legally all you need to do to open a murder investigation in Germany. IMO, he has said as much.
The media misunderstandings and tales of 'concrete' evidence, a letter, a video have come about because they don't understand that. They have probably misconstrued the German prosecutors saying he was '90% there' with his case when in fact he is 90% of the way of securing a charge only, not proving Bruckner is responsible or having some bombshell piece of evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 04:00:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 03:45:46 PM
...Unless the german lead has said six contradictory things...the papers are not accurate. Its the papers reporting what they think/claim the McCanns said

No. The quote you had been shown was from the official find Madeleine facebook page.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 04:00:10 PM
No. The quote you had been shown was from the official find Madeleine facebook page.

The McCanns dont admin that page afaik . The statement appears to be theirs....are they paying any lawyers in portugal...who knows. Is Clarence still an official family spokesman....surely he was just a spokesman for Kate and Gerry....what is the big deal....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 04:04:36 PM
The McCanns dont admin that page afaik

I don't do facebook so don't know all the exact titles of the pages or who admins what but....it is from the official

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html (http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html)


'Updates
Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th 2020
Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media.  The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE.  Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.

As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested.  Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers.  Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website.  If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.

Kate and Gerry'


So Clarence was either recently sacked or he's been fraudulently speaking on their behalf for the last few days.

In Your Opinion. ( yes indeed!)

Thank You.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 03:48:22 PM
i think the germans have something quite concrete and you and others here are finding that hard to accept because for years  its been claimed an abduction never happened. It looks as though that just may be proven wrong.


Well, I believe that is what we are all being told to believe for some reason -  what you have just posted.

It's just I don't believe Maddie was abducted so - find it odd everyone is falling for fake news IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 04:19:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 02:16:34 PM
SKY... ITV... Are commercial stations... It's all about viewing figures and has been for 13 years


Don't you think there is enough in the news to be going on with - they still have reputation standards to go by.

If they carry on getting it wrong then - the ratings are bound to go down no one likes fake news imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 04:14:01 PM

Well, I believe that is what we are all being told to believe for some reason -  what you have just posted.

It's just I don't believe Maddie was abducted so - find it odd everyone is falling for fake news IMO

I find it rather funny that so many have fallen for fake news over that past years...put out by amaral and his team
The Germans have a suspect who could well have abducted Maddie...   nothing fake about that. We need to wait and see what happens next.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 04:19:15 PM

Don't you think there is enough in the news to be going on with - they still have reputation standards to go by.

If they carry on getting it wrong then - the ratings are bound to go down no one likes fake news imo

i think they know their business a lot lot better than you do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 04:26:14 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 03:06:35 PM
Clarence Mitchell was introduced as the parent’s spokesperson yet the parents say this Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Your thoughts ?

No idea for the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 04:31:18 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
If they had whittled it down the met to him why haven't they done the groundwork - like search where he lived

It's not as if they didn't have the money. Yet it seems as if it been left to a comment made in a bar and the rest hearsay.

Why are SY waiting for the  Germans to scrape the barrel - When they have had millions to do there own work.

All they seem to have at the moment is fake news after fake news - its a shambles.

There are 3 police forces involved in this: different languages and legal frameworks. And quite possibly some lost-in-communication issues.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 04:39:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 16, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
So some time after midnight into Saturday the 5th,not the next day,so that can be ruled out on that time line.
How do you work that out?  If Madeleine was lifted at 9.15, and transported in the car it’s possible she could have been in Germany before midnight the next day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 10:44:47 AM

- since when does devastated mean happy.
???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 04:49:12 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 04:08:12 PM
I don't do facebook so don't know all the exact titles of the pages or who admins what but....it is from the official

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html (http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html)


'Updates
Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th 2020
Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media.  The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE.  Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.

As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested.  Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers.  Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website.  If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.

Kate and Gerry'


So Clarence was either recently sacked or he's been fraudulently speaking on their behalf for the last few days.

In Your Opinion. ( yes indeed!)

Thank You.
What has Mitchell said on their behalf recently?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 04:54:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 04:49:12 PM
What has Mitchell said on their behalf recently?

He has said this - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/madeleine-mccann-family-spokesman-id-german-suspect-more-significant-n1225691


No mention of him being 'former spokesperson'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
If they had whittled it down the met to him why haven't they done the groundwork - like search where he lived

It's not as if they didn't have the money. Yet it seems as if it been left to a comment made in a bar and the rest hearsay.

Why are SY waiting for the  Germans to scrape the barrel - When they have had millions to do there own work.

All they seem to have at the moment is fake news after fake news - its a shambles.

What more do you think the Met should have done?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 04:59:02 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 04:54:19 PM
He has said this - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/madeleine-mccann-family-spokesman-id-german-suspect-more-significant-n1225691


No mention of him being 'former spokesperson'
Perhaps they meant spokesman employed in a paid capacity?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 05:00:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 04:42:56 PM
???

Forget it lol - it was edited by  B half of it missing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 04:59:02 PM
Perhaps they meant spokesman employed in a paid capacity?



Not what you asked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
I find it rather funny that so many have fallen for fake news over that past years...put out by amaral and his team
The Germans have a suspect who could well have abducted Maddie...   nothing fake about that. We need to wait and see what happens next.

well right of the mark again and wrong - don't tell me what I should think I can do that by myself

What I have thought has nothing to do with GA - and everything to do with the mccs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 04:55:07 PM
What more do you think the Met should have done?

Maybe not left it to the Germans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 05:08:13 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 05:05:55 PM
Maybe not left it to the Germans.

As a foreign national, Grange would have no right to question Brueckner without German cooperation. Perhaps they took it over and pushed Grange to the side
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 05:05:55 PM
Maybe not left it to the Germans.

They guy's German and is currently in jail there. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 05:09:45 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 05:05:55 PM
Maybe not left it to the Germans.

Or The Portuguese.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 16, 2020, 05:17:12 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 04:08:12 PM
I don't do facebook so don't know all the exact titles of the pages or who admins what but....it is from the official

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html (http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html)


'Updates
Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th 2020
Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media.  The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE.  Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.

As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested.  Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers.  Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website.  If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.

Kate and Gerry'


So Clarence was either recently sacked or he's been fraudulently speaking on their behalf for the last few days.

In Your Opinion. ( yes indeed!)

Thank You.

I think you have to take very seriously an announcement from Kate an Gerry using this source and bear it in mind for future reference. I think it would be impossible not to understand any of that ... it makes the whole situation crystal clear ... and for me it brings into sharp focus the pain and turmoil Madeleine's family must be enduring at the moment and my heart goes out to them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 05:21:03 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 05:08:13 PM
As a foreign national, Grange would have no right to question Brueckner without German cooperation. Perhaps they took it over and pushed Grange to the side

I agree about the first bit.

I doubt that it would be the Germans pushing Grange to the side, but possibly more that there are also German disappearances / crimes to investigate as well.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 05:27:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 05:01:56 PM

Not what you asked.
So? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 05:30:59 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 05:21:03 PM
I agree about the first bit.

I doubt that it would be the Germans pushing Grange to the side, but possibly more that there are also German disappearances / crimes to investigate as well.
I agree, Carana. And in the process of investigating their own country’s child disappearances, they might have come across something related to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 05:27:16 PM
So?

so why quote my answer about what Mitchell said by moving the goalposts to whether he was being paid?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 05:38:25 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 16, 2020, 05:17:12 PM
I think you have to take very seriously an announcement from Kate an Gerry using this source and bear it in mind for future reference.
  • there will be no running commentary from Kate and Gerry on the investigation - that is for law enforcement who they will support in any way they can in that
  • it is FALSE that the German authorities have written to them
  • there is no family spokesperson
  • there are no lawyers being actively paid by them
  • no comments in the recent past or in the immediate future can be attributed to Kate and Gerry unless it has been posted on their website
  • important developments in the investigation will be relayed only from official police sources
I think it would be impossible not to understand any of that ... it makes the whole situation crystal clear ... and for me it brings into sharp focus the pain and turmoil Madeleine's family must be enduring at the moment and my heart goes out to them.
Hi Brietta, I also noticed on Twitter today that Mark Williams-Thomas said, ‘I would like to remind the German prosecutor ... every time you open your mouth, Gerry and Kate hang on every word you say’. It must be an unbearable and desperate time for the family.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 05:34:29 PM
so why quote my answer about what Mitchell said by moving the goalposts to whether he was being paid?
I was simply moving the conversation on.  What would you like me to have said?  “Thank you very much Jassi for providing the quote, it was very kind of you to oblige”?  If so , consider it said.  I’m HUGELY indebted to you for the fulsome response, thank you, thank you, thank you!

I trust I have made amends for my terrible transgression.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 05:51:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 05:38:53 PM
I was simply moving the conversation on.  What would you like me to have said?  “Thank you very much Jassi for providing the quote, it was very kind of you to oblige”?  If so , consider it said.  I’m HUGELY indebted to you for the fulsome response, thank you, thank you, thank you!

I trust I have made amends for my terrible transgression.

Would do for starters,  perhaps with a little more grovelling   ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 06:00:35 PM
Black truly has become white.

The parents say they have no spokesperson yet we have seen their, and introduced as such, spokesperson speak on their behalf at least twice in the last week.

We are told that they do not have a lawyer yet we have heard their Portuguese lawyer make comments in the last week on the parents behalf.

It is absolutely clear that the parent’s statement is incompatible with what has actually happened over the last two weeks.

Why is that ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 05:51:31 PM
Would do for starters,  perhaps with a little more grovelling   ?{)(**
OK.  Once again thank you, and thank you again.  You really are the kindest, most intelligent and empathetic forum member it’s ever been my privelege to have posted alongside.  Your avatar does not do justice either to your undoubted physical beauty or your beautiful soul.  Without you and your words of wisdom in my life, I am nothing but a mere husk of dejected, useless humanity. 

Enough?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 06:14:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 06:07:37 PM
OK.  Once again thank you, and thank you again.  You really are the kindest, most intelligent and empathetic forum member it’s ever been my privelege to have posted alongside.  Your avatar does not do justice either to your undoubted physical beauty or your beautiful soul.  Without you and your words of wisdom in my life, I am nothing but a mere husk of dejected, useless humanity. 

Enough?

No.  More, More.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 16, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 05:30:59 PM
I agree, Carana. And in the process of investigating their own country’s child disappearances, they might have come across something related to Madeleine.

There has been a puzzlement as to why it appeared to be only British children who were targeted.  I think Carana is right in thinking other Nationals might also have been subjected to assault and we only know about the British ones initially through the medium of Kate's book. 
I think we can assume the German suspect is multilingual, I think I read he has English and he certainly had English girl friends.  Having lived and worked in Portugal from a young age it is probable he could pass himself in Portuguese
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 06:00:35 PM
Black truly has become white.

The parents say they have no spokesperson yet we have seen their, and introduced as such, spokesperson speak on their behalf at least twice in the last week.

We are told that they do not have a lawyer yet we have heard their Portuguese lawyer make comments in the last week on the parents behalf.

It is absolutely clear that the parent’s statement is incompatible with what has actually happened over the last two weeks.

Why is that ?

Both your satements are incorrect...the parents havent denied having  a spokesman..they've denied having a family spokesman.
They haven't said they don't have  a lawyer...they said they are not paying one at the moment..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 06:29:13 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 16, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
There has been a puzzlement as to why it appeared to be only British children who were targeted.  I think Carana is right in thinking other Nationals might also have been subjected to assault and we only know about the British ones initially through the medium of Kate's book. 
I think we can assume the German suspect is multilingual, I think I read he has English and he certainly had English girl friends.  Having lived and worked in Portugal from a young age it is probable he could pass himself in Portuguese

Redwood spoke about the children assaulted in their beds in 2013 if I remember correctly. You would have thought that if children from other countries were also being targeted he would have told us at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 06:27:09 PM
Both your satements are incorrect...the parents havent denied having  a spokesman..they've denied having a family spokesman.
They haven't said they don't have  a lawyer...they said they are not paying one at the moment..

https://www.prweek.com/article/1395236/mccann-family-spokesman-clarence-mitchell-joins-public-affairs-agency-jbp
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 06:36:31 PM
And something a little more recent, before Davel starts quibbling

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/police-madeleine-mccann-german-suspect/

The Met Police have known about the German suspect in the Madeleine McCann case for three years, the family's spokesperson has told LBC.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 06:40:27 PM
I would think the McCanns are just being a bit picky in the circumstances ...Clarence is their spokesman... Not the family's
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 06:41:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 06:27:09 PM
Both your satements are incorrect...the parents havent denied having  a spokesman..they've denied having a family spokesman.
They haven't said they don't have  a lawyer...they said they are not paying one at the moment..


They haven't said they don't have  a lawyer...they said they are not paying one at the moment..

Wonder why - surely they must have fund money left.

It was their first priority last time


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 06:44:13 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 06:41:01 PM

They haven't said they don't have  a lawyer...they said they are not paying one at the moment..

Wonder why - surely they must have fund money left.

It was their first priority last time

Why should The McCanns need to pay a Lawyer?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 06:46:38 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 16, 2020, 06:41:01 PM

They haven't said they don't have  a lawyer...they said they are not paying one at the moment..

Wonder why - surely they must have fund money left.

It was their first priority last time

I wonder if Mr Alves knows he’s working pro bono ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 06:47:21 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 06:44:13 PM
Why should The McCanns need to pay a Lawyer?

Because they don’t work for Smarties ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 16, 2020, 06:49:44 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 16, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
There has been a puzzlement as to why it appeared to be only British children who were targeted.  I think Carana is right in thinking other Nationals might also have been subjected to assault and we only know about the British ones initially through the medium of Kate's book. 
I think we can assume the German suspect is multilingual, I think I read he has English and he certainly had English girl friends.  Having lived and worked in Portugal from a young age it is probable he could pass himself in Portuguese
Yes, Brietta. His one British girlfriend said that she fears he might have taken Madeleine in revenge because she had left him (?). I’ll look for the reference.
I apologise, I got it wrong. It was another girlfriend, not British, who suggested this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 06:50:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 06:36:31 PM
And something a little more recent, before Davel starts quibbling

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/police-madeleine-mccann-german-suspect/

The Met Police have known about the German suspect in the Madeleine McCann case for three years, the family's spokesperson has told LBC.
If I may be so bold as to impinge my unworthiness on your supremely excellent post...perhaps Clarence has gone rogue and still thinks he’s the McCanns’ spokesman.  He keeps making all these statements to the media without the McCanns’ authorisation because he is an inveterate attention seeker and the McCanns are fed up with it, hence their statement about not having a spokesperson. 

I write this more in jest than seriousness before you rip me a new one.  So sorry for any inconvenience caused, and for having the temerity to answer your post.  Yours in perpetual unworthiness,
VS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 06:50:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 06:44:13 PM
Why should The McCanns need to pay a Lawyer?

Well quite, they expect someone else to pay.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 06:47:21 PM
Because they don’t work for Smarties ?

Okay.  Why do The McCanns need a Lawyer?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 06:53:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 06:50:46 PM
If I may be so bold as to impinge my unworthiness on your supremely excellent post...perhaps Clarence has gone rogue and still thinks he’s the McCanns’ spokesman.  He keeps making all these statements to the media without the McCanns’ authorisation because he is an inveterate attention seeker and the McCanns are fed up with it, hence their statement about not having a spokesperson. 

I write this more in jest than seriousness before you rip me a new one.  So sorry for any inconvenience caused, and for having the temerity to answer your post.  Yours in perpetual unworthiness,
VS

I like your thinking  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 16, 2020, 06:59:04 PM
I think the letter has been delayed in the post because of Covid.  My mail used to arrive early morning, but now the postman only shows up between 4 and 5pm. Then the time factor has to be allowed for when mail is posted from Germany...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11875856/prosecutors-letter-madeleine-mccann-dead-parents-received/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11875856/prosecutors-letter-madeleine-mccann-dead-parents-received/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 06:52:47 PM
Okay.  Why do The McCanns need a Lawyer?

To steer them through their ECHR case for one thing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 07:03:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
To steer them through their ECHR case for one thing

Oh.  Is that happening sometime soon then?

Goodness me, what a lot we will have to talk about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 07:05:33 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 16, 2020, 06:59:04 PM
I think the letter has been delayed in the post because of Covid.  My mail used to arrive early morning, but now the postman only shows up between 4 and 5pm. Then the time factor has to be allowed for when mail is posted from Germany...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11875856/prosecutors-letter-madeleine-mccann-dead-parents-received/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11875856/prosecutors-letter-madeleine-mccann-dead-parents-received/)
Do people still actually send letters through the post?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 07:05:33 PM
Do people still actually send letters through the post?

Oh yes, most hospital appoints generate a letter and I should think solicitors will still send letters and your police notification for speeding comes by letter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 16, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 07:05:33 PM
Do people still actually send letters through the post?
A hard copy personal letter carries more weight and authority than a virtual email, I guess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 07:03:28 PM
Oh.  Is that happening sometime soon then?

Goodness me, what a lot we will have to talk about.

Don't bank on it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 07:09:54 PM
Oh yes, most hospital appoints generate a letter and I should think solicitors will still send letters and your police notification for speeding comes by letter.
A million thanks for taking the time to point that out to me.  What WAS I thinking?  You are of course right.  Thanks again Jassi, light of my life.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 07:16:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 07:15:15 PM
A million thanks for taking the time to point that out to me.  What WAS I thinking? You are of course right.  Thanks again Jassi, light of my life.

Indeed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 16, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
A hard copy personal letter carries more weight and authority than a virtual email, I guess.

But an e-mail is traceable from the sender,post can get lost.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 16, 2020, 06:59:04 PM
I think the letter has been delayed in the post because of Covid.  My mail used to arrive early morning, but now the postman only shows up between 4 and 5pm. Then the time factor has to be allowed for when mail is posted from Germany...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11875856/prosecutors-letter-madeleine-mccann-dead-parents-received/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11875856/prosecutors-letter-madeleine-mccann-dead-parents-received/)

That is a real possibility. I sent a letter from the UK to Austria recently and instead of taking 2 to 3 days it took about 3 weeks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 07:19:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
But an e-mail is traceable from the sender,post can get lost.

So can emails.  They can also be dumped to the trash bin and go unnoticed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 07:19:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
Don't bank on it.

Suit yourself.  So The McCanns won't need a Lawyer for quite some time to come.

Or did you miss the point of the conversation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:19:49 PM
Its like panto season,yes we have,no you've not,yes we have.

MADDIE RIDDLE Prosecutors insist they HAVE sent letter saying Madeleine McCann is dead after parents say they haven’t received it

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11875856/prosecutors-letter-madeleine-mccann-dead-parents-received/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 07:19:43 PM
Suit yourself.  So The McCanns won't need a Lawyer for quite some time to come.

Or did you miss the point of the conversation?

Soon was the qualifying word, don't worry I'll not respond again.

Got me space in dear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:21:49 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 07:19:05 PM
So can emails.  They can also be dumped to the trash bin and go unnoticed.

But the sender can resend.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:19:49 PM
Its like panto season,yes we have,no you've not,yes we have.

MADDIE RIDDLE Prosecutors insist they HAVE sent letter saying Madeleine McCann is dead after parents say they haven’t received it

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11875856/prosecutors-letter-madeleine-mccann-dead-parents-received/
Maybe they discarded it as a hurtful and deeply upsetting letter from a crank.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 07:24:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 04:59:02 PM
Perhaps they meant spokesman employed in a paid capacity?
Looks like I was right about this (sorry Jassi, for any offence caused to your good self by repeating  this inappropriate comment)

“Following the statement, long-time spokesman Clarence Mitchell confirmed he no longer worked full-time for the couple, but said he did sometimes help them on a pro bono basis as required.

"I am still entirely supportive of the family and have only ever been supportive of them and will continue to do so," he said”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 07:25:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:21:49 PM
But the sender can resend.

Yes, but why would you unless you were expecting a reply ?
After non delivery of a number of emails, I set up an acknowledgement system, but not everyone does that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 07:41:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:19:49 PM
Its like panto season,yes we have,no you've not,yes we have.

MADDIE RIDDLE Prosecutors insist they HAVE sent letter saying Madeleine McCann is dead after parents say they haven’t received it

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11875856/prosecutors-letter-madeleine-mccann-dead-parents-received/

I think Anthro has perhaps given the explanation which I've experienced. Letters to and from Europe are not arriving as normal due to covid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 16, 2020, 07:44:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 07:41:57 PM
I think Anthro has perhaps given teh explanation which I've experienced. Letters to and from Europe are not arriving as normal due to covid.

Seems the more plausible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 06:52:47 PM
Okay.  Why do The McCanns need a Lawyer?

Now that’s the 64,000 dollar question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 07:57:18 PM
Now that’s the 64,000 dollar question.

The McCanns haven't said they need a Lawyer.  So someone else will have to answer that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 08:05:39 PM
The McCanns haven't said they need a Lawyer.  So someone else will have to answer that.

They may not need one but it appears they have one.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-family-lawyer-urges-british-german-and-portuguese-police-to-stop-squabbling-12005556
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 08:19:15 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 08:09:16 PM
They may not need one but it appears they have one.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-family-lawyer-urges-british-german-and-portuguese-police-to-stop-squabbling-12005556

He doesn't say The McCanns are paying him.  He probably just got asked for a quote by some marauding reporter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 08:22:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
I find it rather funny that so many have fallen for fake news over that past years...put out by amaral and his team
The Germans have a suspect who could well have abducted Maddie...   nothing fake about that. We need to wait and see what happens next.

They have nothing! Just because he used his phone in PDL doesn't mean he was involved. They haven't got him outside the apartment as BS media reports claim! And if the McCanns receive a letter they will deny that Madeleine is dead without any concrete evidence!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 08:29:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 08:19:15 PM
He doesn't say The McCanns are paying him.  He probably just got asked for a quote by some marauding reporter.

Without his client’s express permission. That’s a novel way to deal with client confidentiality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 08:31:18 PM
All very strange.
A spokesman who isn't a spokesman because he isn't being paid - allegedly
A lawyer speaking for them who isn't their paid lawyer - allegedly

What's so important that it should be  denied ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 08:31:18 PM
All very strange.
A spokesman who isn't a spokesman because he isn't being paid - allegedly
A lawyer speaking for them who isn't their paid lawyer - allegedly

What's so important that it should be  denied ?

Erm,  The PJ are just about to arrest The McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 08:31:18 PM
All very strange.
A spokesman who isn't a spokesman because he isn't being paid - allegedly
A lawyer speaking for them who isn't their paid lawyer - allegedly

What's so important that it should be  denied ?
Probably because they’re about to be arrested.  Tick-tock, slowly slowly, the master plan is all coming together, it’s just a matter of time before Amaral plays his final ace.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 16, 2020, 08:37:04 PM
Well there's a novel thought   8((()*/

And you both came up with it at the same time. Amazing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 08:39:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 08:37:04 PM
Well there's a novel thought   8((()*/

And you both came up with it at the same time. Amazing
Then it must be true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 16, 2020, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 08:39:52 PM
Then it must be true.

Course it is.  Ask any Supporter.  They all know you know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 08:52:13 PM
Aren’t the Portuguese and British people keeping remarkably quiet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 08:55:49 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 16, 2020, 09:58:20 AM
I think the misunderstandings about DNA have rumbled on for about thirteen years.

There would be no significance attached to finding Madeleine's DNA in the apartment.  She did live there.

The significance lies in a match being made to unidentified foreign DNA left behind by an individual who had no business to be on the premises ... and the missing hairs could tell their own story.

If her DNA is found underneath a tile where the dogs alerted and in a place that couldn't be cleaned we will see what happens!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 08:55:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2020, 08:31:18 PM
All very strange.
A spokesman who isn't a spokesman because he isn't being paid - allegedly
A lawyer speaking for them who isn't their paid lawyer - allegedly

What's so important that it should be  denied ?

Maybe they, really, really don't want to accept she's dead. Maybe the spokesman and lawyer have different views based on what the German's have said.
( all speculation obviously)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 08:55:59 PM
Maybe they, really, really don't want to accept she's dead. Maybe the spokesman and lawyer have different views based on what the German's have said.
( all speculation obviously)

I’m sure they don’t but I would have thought both Alves and Mitchell would have needed the parent’s permission to talk to the media so why did the McCanns authorise it if they didn’t want to comment....and then deny they had a spokesperson and lawyer ? It really is odd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
I’m sure they don’t but I would have thought both Alves and Mitchell would have needed the parent’s permission to talk to the media so why did the McCanns authorise it if they didn’t want to comment....and then deny they had a spokesperson and lawyer ? It really is odd.

I agree it's odd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
I’m sure they don’t but I would have thought both Alves and Mitchell would have needed the parent’s permission to talk to the media so why did the McCanns authorise it if they didn’t want to comment....and then deny they had a spokesperson and lawyer ? It really is odd.

I haven't come across anything that either Clarence or the lawyer have said that would explain this, but there could have been made-uppy reports that I haven't yet seen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
I agree it's odd.

I think both you and faith finding it odd is quite bizarre
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 09:55:41 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 09:43:11 PM
I haven't come across anything that either Clarence or the lawyer have said that would explain this, but there could have been made-uppy reports that I haven't yet seen.

Sorry Carana explain what ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 10:05:33 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 08:55:49 PM
If her DNA is found underneath a tile where the dogs alerted and in a place that couldn't be cleaned we will see what happens!
Have they looked under a tile yet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 16, 2020, 10:07:52 PM
It's all coming out now, the German, Portuguese and English cops are not cooperating properly which is now resulting in false stories being pushed out. Nothing new in this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 09:49:00 PM
I think both you and faith finding it odd is quite bizarre

I think you thinking me and faith finding it odd.. is odd. ( sorry, couldn't resist!)

  I have seen comments all over various media platforms, also where people are finding it odd, so we're not the only ones.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 10:19:02 PM
Check out the photofit in this other unsolved child murder in Germany

(https://postmediatorontosun.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/3w993qhighc0-bild__1592234316-e1592321382499.jpg?quality=60&strip=all&w=340&zoom=2)

https://canoe.com/news/world/is-suspect-in-maddie-mccann-disappearance-a-child-serial-killer/wcm/c26cc771-70a2-4e13-b069-1a280e995e8c
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 16, 2020, 10:20:34 PM
MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian B kept kids’ clothes and swimwear in his mobile home, it emerged today.

Convicted paedophile Christian B, 43, bought the red and white Allegro Bay RV in early 2010 — three years after moving back to his native Germany from Portugal.

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/NINTCHDBPICT000589685537.jpg?strip=all&w=960)

Pals said he used it to drive regularly back and forth between Germany, Spain and Portugal and once boasted how he could “carry children and drugs” inside.

Cops found the clothes and swimwear after seizing the RV as part of their probe into missing Inga Gehricke, who disappeared in 2015 during a picnic with her parents.

Christian B used a derelict crate factory at Neuwegers­leben as a weekend pad where he kept the RV. The items were found there in 2016 along with USB sticks containing images of child sex abuse.

Other images on the sticks included some of Christian B partially naked or wearing stockings performing a solo sex act, as well as others too graphic to describe here.

The six data sticks and two memory cards were found buried under the body of his dog at the factory, wrapped in a carrier bag.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11880061/maddie-mccann-suspect-mobile-home-kids-clothes/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 16, 2020, 10:22:49 PM
If the German cops found photos or garments belonging to Maddie in 2016 then why has it taken 4 years to reveal it?

I don't believe they found anything incriminating.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 10:26:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 10:19:02 PM
Check out the photofit in this other unsolved child murder in Germany

https://canoe.com/news/world/is-suspect-in-maddie-mccann-disappearance-a-child-serial-killer/wcm/c26cc771-70a2-4e13-b069-1a280e995e8c

It looks very much like him. If it was him he would have been very young too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 16, 2020, 10:29:30 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
I think you thinking me and faith finding it odd.. is odd. ( sorry, couldn't resist!)

  I have seen comments all over various media platforms, also where people are finding it odd, so we're not the only ones.

All over the normal McCann bashing platforms absolutely no doubt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 10:31:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 16, 2020, 10:22:49 PM
If the German cops found photos or garments belonging to Maddie in 2016 then why has it taken 4 years to reveal it?

I don't believe they found anything incriminating.
The article doesn’t mention that anything of Madeleine was found. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 09:55:41 PM
Sorry Carana explain what ?

As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested.  Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website.  If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.

It sounds like a reaction to some media reports, but I don't know which these might be for the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 16, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 10:29:30 PM
All over the normal McCann bashing platforms absolutely no doubt

No not at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 10:47:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 10:05:33 PM
Have they looked under a tile yet?

5. RETAINED MATERIALS, material from items (list), Hairs recovered from the fragments of bushes, tapings from the curtains, CDs of photos supplied from Portugal, DVD of scene examination supplied from Portugal, Photographs and CD of LMG + stain on tile 286/2007 CR/L 5.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 10:49:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 16, 2020, 10:29:30 PM
All over the normal McCann bashing platforms absolutely no doubt

McCann bashing?

This is about Little Maddie. Her parents reputation is a sideshow to be ignored.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 16, 2020, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 10:49:15 PM
McCann bashing?

This is about Little Maddie. Her parents reputation is a sideshow to be ignored.

It is possible to have the utmost concern about the fate of Madeleine and not to participate in any of the continual sullying of any word or deed of her parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 10:37:40 PM

As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested.  Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website.  If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.

It sounds like a reaction to some media reports, but I don't know which these might be for the moment.

There’s a couple of videos of Mitchell doing interviews with regards to the new suspect..and being introduced as the parent’s spokesperson and a direct quote from Alves which has also been posted on this thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
I’m sure they don’t but I would have thought both Alves and Mitchell would have needed the parent’s permission to talk to the media so why did the McCanns authorise it if they didn’t want to comment....and then deny they had a spokesperson and lawyer ? It really is odd.

They have a message on their website.. bit angry about something. I don't visit it So can't say what it is.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8426407/Kate-Gerry-McCann-hit-German-prosecutors-claims.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 10:47:48 PM
5. RETAINED MATERIALS, material from items (list), Hairs recovered from the fragments of bushes, tapings from the curtains, CDs of photos supplied from Portugal, DVD of scene examination supplied from Portugal, Photographs and CD of LMG + stain on tile 286/2007 CR/L 5.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm
On the tile, not under the tile then?  And what if there was DNA of Madeleine found on the tile?  Why wouldn’t there be DNA of Madeleine on the tile?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 16, 2020, 10:54:28 PM
It is possible to have the utmost concern about the fate of Madeleine and not to participate in any of the continual sullying of any word or deed of her parents.

The parents are alive and living well- they are not victims.

 Their daughter is being banded about the front pages  of newspapers as being tortured,raped and murdered by a nasty,evil paedophile. We don't all share your concern for the self centered parents- that doesn't make us bad people. Because we still DO NOT KNOW what happened to little Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:04:17 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the McCanns are grief-stricken and lashing out arguably  irrationally at this barrage of news reports of people seemingly speaking on their behalf?  It must be utterly overwhelming to be in their shoes right now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 10:55:32 PM
There’s a couple of videos of Mitchell doing interviews with regards to the new suspect..and being introduced as the parent’s spokesperson and a direct quote from Alves which has also been posted on this thread.

Yes, I've seen / read one of each, but I didn't notice anything unusual. I suspect there have been other "reports" making dubious claims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 16, 2020, 11:04:43 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 11:02:29 PM
The parents are alive and living well- they are not victims.

 Their daughter is being banded about the front pages  of newspapers as being tortured,raped and murdered by a nasty,evil paedophile. We don't all share your concern for the self centered parents- that doesn't make us bad people. Because we still DO NOT KNOW what happened to little Maddie.

Can you not see how your post typifies exactly the point I was making.
Probably not!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 11:02:29 PM
The parents are alive and living well- they are not victims.

 Their daughter is being banded about the front pages  of newspapers as being tortured,raped and murdered by a nasty,evil paedophile. We don't all share your concern for the self centered parents- that doesn't make us bad people. Because we still DO NOT KNOW what happened to little Maddie.
Being alive and “living well” doesn’t mean you can’t also be suffering unimaginable anguish and despair.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 16, 2020, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:04:17 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the McCanns are grief-stricken and lashing out arguably  irrationally at this barrage of news reports of people seemingly speaking on their behalf?  It must be utterly overwhelming to be in their shoes right now.

But they are not victims or so some say.
No need to be overwhelmed with grief, no need to know exactly the correct way to react or speak.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2020, 11:12:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:05:26 PM
Being alive and “living well” doesn’t mean you can’t also be suffering unimaginable anguish and despair.

Not just the parents, there's also the wider family: the twins, cousins, elderly relatives...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:19:05 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 16, 2020, 11:08:58 PM
But they are not victims or so some say.
No need to be overwhelmed with grief, no need to know exactly the correct way to react or speak.
It’s heartening to read the outpouring of sympathy towards them on some online news sites though.  We sometimes (because we spend so much time on here) maybe forget that there are many sympathetic, kind and understanding people following this case who wish them well .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 11:21:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:01:20 PM
On the tile, not under the tile then?  And what if there was DNA of Madeleine found on the tile?  Why wouldn’t there be DNA of Madeleine on the tile?

Discovered by CSI dogs it would be significant.

Eddie found Harron's DNA in the burnt out car!
The search of a suspect's 'totally burnt out vehicle' by forensic scientists did not reveal any evidence.
A 'one minute' search by the EVRD identified a position in the rear passenger footwell where the dog alerted to the presence of human material.
A sample was taken and when analysed revealed the victim's DNA.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 11:22:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:05:26 PM
Being alive and “living well” doesn’t mean you can’t also be suffering unimaginable anguish and despair.

People who suffer,unimaginable anguish and despair over a great many years. are not high achievers- go getters, career opportunists like the McCanns.

 The point I am making is: their 'pain' is no where near what their daughter  has suffered- what ever her fate was /is. And we must remember this is about justice for Madeleine NOT her parents.

Some people are interested in what happened to little Maddie, not what happened to the parents. We know what they did and their behavior so whats to worry about them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 11:21:37 PM
Discovered by CSI dogs it would be significant.

Eddie found Harron's DNA in the burnt out car!
The search of a suspect's 'totally burnt out vehicle' by forensic scientists did not reveal any evidence.
A 'one minute' search by the EVRD identified a position in the rear passenger footwell where the dog alerted to the presence of human material.
A sample was taken and when analysed revealed the victim's DNA.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

I wonder if they are using dogs to search the German ratbag suspects homes and cars etc... would be interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 16, 2020, 11:32:55 PM
Why is this topic full of discussions about cadaver dogs again?
Nothing to do with the German guy. It is becoming like a broken record for some people, honestly.
It is becoming a pain to read. Enough!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 11:36:17 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 11:25:21 PM
I wonder if they are using dogs to search the German ratbag suspects homes and cars etc... would be interesting.

If a cadaver dog entered his campervan and alerted they wouldn't be calling the dogs unreliable! They would be screaming that a body was there but maybe it was from second hand furniture  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 11:37:36 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 16, 2020, 11:04:38 PM
Yes, I've seen / read one of each, but I didn't notice anything unusual. I suspect there have been other "reports" making dubious claims.

It’s not that they are making dubious claims...it’s the fact that they are speaking on behalf of the parents when the parents have denied that Mitchell and Alves are employed by them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 16, 2020, 11:50:07 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 07:57:18 PM
Now that’s the 64,000 dollar question.
And that is just their fee too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:54:13 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 11:22:39 PM
People who suffer,unimaginable anguish and despair over a great many years. are not high achievers- go getters, career opportunists like the McCanns.

 The point I am making is: their 'pain' is no where near what their daughter  has suffered- what ever her fate was /is. And we must remember this is about justice for Madeleine NOT her parents.

Some people are interested in what happened to little Maddie, not what happened to the parents. We know what they did and their behavior so whats to worry about them.
You seem to be saying that high achievers cannot feel lasting pain and anguish about the loss of a loved one, or indeed have that pain and anguish stirred up by the most lurid newspaper speculation about how their daughter may have met her end.  I totally don’t understand how you have arrived at this conclusion.  Of course Madeleine’s suffering was unimaginable, but that doesn’t mean I cannot feel sympathy and sadness for her parents and family as well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:55:10 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 11:21:37 PM
Discovered by CSI dogs it would be significant.

Eddie found Harron's DNA in the burnt out car!
The search of a suspect's 'totally burnt out vehicle' by forensic scientists did not reveal any evidence.
A 'one minute' search by the EVRD identified a position in the rear passenger footwell where the dog alerted to the presence of human material.
A sample was taken and when analysed revealed the victim's DNA.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm
Why would Madeleines DNA on a tile be significant?  What would it prove beyond all doubt?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 11:36:17 PM
If a cadaver dog entered his campervan and alerted they wouldn't be calling the dogs unreliable! They would be screaming that a body was there but maybe it was from second hand furniture  8(0(*
Is that how you’d explain it then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 16, 2020, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 11:36:17 PM
If a cadaver dog entered his campervan and alerted they wouldn't be calling the dogs unreliable! They would be screaming that a body was there but maybe it was from second hand furniture  8(0(*

Or nappies.... or rotting meat!!!! Those dogs yap at anything!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 17, 2020, 12:00:40 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 11:55:10 PM
Why would Madeleines DNA on a tile be significant?  What would it prove beyond all doubt?

IMO I suspect that GM would remember a nosebleed after all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 17, 2020, 03:14:07 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 08:55:49 PM
If her DNA is found underneath a tile where the dogs alerted and in a place that couldn't be cleaned we will see what happens!
We have already seen what happens when DNA was found underneath a tile and there is no mystery attached to the finding at all.


Snip
At the same time, reference samples from those Portuguese police officers who had been active in the crime scene were delivered.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 6

14 Pedro Vilhena
286/2007CRL22 Fernando Viegas
286/2007CRL23 Lino Henriques
286/2007CRL24 Bruno Antunes

The DNA profiles of these persons were obtained from their respective samples. The profiles were not only different from each other, they were different from those of the McCann family.
--
286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2
A DNA profile that appeared to be from at least two sources was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area. In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques.
Breaking [departing] from the principle, for it to have had a DNA contribution from Lino Henriques then the remaining information in the smaller part of the result is too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.

286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs. In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 17, 2020, 03:30:12 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2020, 10:47:48 PM
5. RETAINED MATERIALS, material from items (list), Hairs recovered from the fragments of bushes, tapings from the curtains, CDs of photos supplied from Portugal, DVD of scene examination supplied from Portugal, Photographs and CD of LMG + stain on tile 286/2007 CR/L 5.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

You do understand that if it was possible to obtain a DNA result it would in my opinion only be of significance if it proved to be from an individual who had no lawful reason to be on the premises??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 07:03:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 16, 2020, 10:20:34 PM
MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian B kept kids’ clothes and swimwear in his mobile home, it emerged today.

Convicted paedophile Christian B, 43, bought the red and white Allegro Bay RV in early 2010 — three years after moving back to his native Germany from Portugal.

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/NINTCHDBPICT000589685537.jpg?strip=all&w=960)

Pals said he used it to drive regularly back and forth between Germany, Spain and Portugal and once boasted how he could “carry children and drugs” inside.

Cops found the clothes and swimwear after seizing the RV as part of their probe into missing Inga Gehricke, who disappeared in 2015 during a picnic with her parents.

Christian B used a derelict crate factory at Neuwegers­leben as a weekend pad where he kept the RV. The items were found there in 2016 along with USB sticks containing images of child sex abuse.

Other images on the sticks included some of Christian B partially naked or wearing stockings performing a solo sex act, as well as others too graphic to describe here.

The six data sticks and two memory cards were found buried under the body of his dog at the factory, wrapped in a carrier bag.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11880061/maddie-mccann-suspect-mobile-home-kids-clothes/
Nothing distinctive with eeyore on them then,ah well next please,they'll get him in the end,won't be long now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 17, 2020, 07:08:41 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 17, 2020, 07:03:58 AM
Nothing distinctive with eeyore on them then,ah well next please,they'll get him in the end,won't be long now.
Do you realise how bitter and childish you sound?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 07:18:07 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 17, 2020, 07:08:41 AM
Do you realise how bitter and childish you sound?
You give the impression you're responding to some one who cares what you think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 17, 2020, 07:24:27 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11881936/madeleine-mccann-suspect-denies-killing/

‘Brückner denies killing Madeleine‘. It doesn’t mean he did not take her?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 17, 2020, 07:24:27 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11881936/madeleine-mccann-suspect-denies-killing/

‘Brückner denies killing Madeleine‘. It doesn’t mean he did not take her?

I think it just means his lawyers have told him to shut up until they get hold of the prosecution file...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 08:39:40 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 17, 2020, 07:24:27 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11881936/madeleine-mccann-suspect-denies-killing/

‘Brückner denies killing Madeleine‘. It doesn’t mean he did not take her?

The Mail goes further.

Christian Brueckner's lawyer said his client 'denied any involvement' in Madeleine McCann's disappearance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 08:40:54 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 17, 2020, 07:24:27 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11881936/madeleine-mccann-suspect-denies-killing/

‘Brückner denies killing Madeleine‘. It doesn’t mean he did not take her?

Do you not read all the article.

Christian B’s lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said his client “denies any involvement” in the McCann case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 08:42:34 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 17, 2020, 08:38:44 AM
I think it just means his lawyers have told him to shut up until they get hold of the prosecution file...

Being in custody I'd doubt the police could talk to him with out the presence of a legal anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 17, 2020, 08:48:04 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 17, 2020, 07:24:27 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11881936/madeleine-mccann-suspect-denies-killing/

‘Brückner denies killing Madeleine‘. It doesn’t mean he did not take her?

second line of article -' Christian B’s lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said his client “denies any involvement” in the McCann case.'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on June 17, 2020, 08:48:42 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 17, 2020, 08:42:34 AM
Being in custody I'd doubt the police could talk to him with out the presence of a legal anyway.

if he  was living in germany at the time of maddies vanishing why would he  randomly   go to portugal  to  random  kidnap   a   random   3  year old i dont get it??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 17, 2020, 08:52:11 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on June 17, 2020, 08:48:42 AM
if he  was living in germany at the time of maddies vanishing why would he  randomly   go to portugal  to  random  kidnap   a   random   3  year old i dont get it??

Bruckner was living in Portugal at the time of Madeleine's disappearance and his Cell Phone was in Praia Da Luz an hour before Madeleine vanished.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 08:57:24 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 17, 2020, 08:52:11 AM
Bruckner was living in Portugal at the time of Madeleine's disappearance and his Cell Phone was in Praia Da Luz an hour before Madeleine vanished.

Despite myself, there were other cell phones activated at the time, remember the three amigo's from 2014, look where that lead, I'll agree it need's to be looked at if only to rule him out.

Note spaces.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 17, 2020, 09:00:21 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 17, 2020, 08:57:24 AM
Despite myself, there were other cell phones activated at the time, remember the three amigo's from 2014, look where that lead, I'll agree it need's to be looked at if only to rule him out.

Note spaces.

Thank you.  Much easier to read.  Although I have said this before.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 09:13:30 AM
Has anyone here pinpointed the location of the cell towers by way of a map? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 17, 2020, 09:18:30 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 17, 2020, 08:40:54 AM
Do you not read all the article.

Christian B’s lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said his client “denies any involvement” in the McCann case.
I have read the article, therefore the link. I chose to make the point that even if he says, he hadn’t kill her, it might not exclude that he had taken her. In the same way that your emphasis is on ‘... denies any involvement’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 09:31:55 AM
Has anyone carried out due diligence checks on this lawyer?  Ie is he bona fide?

Friedrich Fulscher:

https://www.bea-brak.de/bravsearch/search.brak

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 17, 2020, 09:32:03 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 17, 2020, 09:18:30 AM
I have read the article, therefore the link. I chose to make the point that even if he says, he hadn’t kill her, it might not exclude that he had taken her. In the same way that your emphasis is on ‘... denies any involvement’.

The point is that the lawyer's quote makes no mention of killing so that may well simply be a Tabloid construct - unless you can provide an attributed statement to that effect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 09:35:51 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 17, 2020, 08:57:24 AM
Despite myself, there were other cell phones activated at the time, remember the three amigo's from 2014, look where that lead, I'll agree it need's to be looked at if only to rule him out.

Note spaces.

Yes, there were a couple of hiccups over some of the pings. However, this seems a bit different in that it apparently concerns a half-hour phone call, i.e. not just a ping.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 17, 2020, 09:39:28 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 17, 2020, 09:35:51 AM
Yes, there were a couple of hiccups over some of the pings. However, this seems a bit different in that it apparently concerns a half-hour phone call, i.e. not just a ping.

Will duration make any difference, as there would be the same number of towers to aid location ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 09:45:25 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 17, 2020, 09:35:51 AM
Yes, there were a couple of hiccups over some of the pings. However, this seems a bit different in that it apparently concerns a half-hour phone call, i.e. not just a ping.

I don't know how it works in Portugal but in the UK investigators have access to cell site analysis and tel comm data from the network provider unless obviously PAYG.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 09:51:21 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 09:31:55 AM
Has anyone carried out due diligence checks on this lawyer?  Ie is he bona fide?

Friedrich Fulscher:

https://www.bea-brak.de/bravsearch/search.brak

No result on the above.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 10:00:27 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 17, 2020, 09:39:28 AM
Will duration make any difference, as there would be the same number of towers to aid location ?

All we seem to know for the moment is that one of the phones "almost certainly his" was in the PdL vicinity when the other number called it.

A caveat, obviously, is that even if it was his phone, it doesn't mean that he was necessarily the person using it at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 09:45:25 AM
I don't know how it works in Portugal but in the UK investigators have access to cell site analysis and tel comm data from the network provider unless obviously PAYG.

If I'm not mistaken, getting access to all cell site analysis and tel comm data in the vicinity was one of the aspects of Grange's plod work.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 17, 2020, 10:00:27 AM
All we seem to know for the moment is that one of the phones "almost certainly his" was in the PdL vicinity when the other number called it.

A caveat, obviously, is that even if it was his phone, it doesn't mean that he was necessarily the person using it at the time.

The Prosecutor has said as much. Somewhere ( I can't remember where exactly) he said the reason they were seeking witnesses about the phone calls was so they could confirm that Bruckner was the one who answered the call  in Praia. Sounds like they can't place him near the town that night 100% to secure charges imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 17, 2020, 10:00:27 AM
All we seem to know for the moment is that one of the phones "almost certainly his" was in the PdL vicinity when the other number called it.

A caveat, obviously, is that even if it was his phone, it doesn't mean that he was necessarily the person using it at the time.

I'm taking it all with a pinch of salt but I thought the tabloids claimed the caller had now been identified?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 17, 2020, 10:09:05 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 17, 2020, 09:35:51 AM
Yes, there were a couple of hiccups over some of the pings. However, this seems a bit different in that it apparently concerns a half-hour phone call, i.e. not just a ping.

Wasn’t it established that a girlfriend of his had the phone ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 17, 2020, 10:04:29 AM
If I'm not mistaken, getting access to all cell site analysis and tel comm data in the vicinity was one of the aspects of Grange's plod work.

OG commenced Jul 13.  How long is data held?  What about different laws on accessing personal data across different jurisdictions? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 17, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 17, 2020, 10:09:05 AM
Wasn’t it established that a girlfriend of his had the phone ?
Media said that but not sure who told them.  Is it reliable ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 10:07:52 AM
I'm taking it all with a pinch of salt but I thought the tabloids claimed the caller had now been identified?

The tabloids have claimed alot over the ensuing years,like Rowley says,most of it is nonsense,sorting the wheat from the chaff is up to grange,I employ them through my tax's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 10:38:56 AM
More nonsense from sky?

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482)

''German investigators want to retest a mystery saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests on the sample apparently found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

But the German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because the sample - thought to have been found on Madeleine's bed - is potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

But the Portuguese police (PJ) are unlikely to send the sample, partly because of recent criticism by the German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

He said last week the PJ still believed that Madeleine's parents were responsible for their daughter's disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007. The PJ ruled them out as suspects in 2008.

It is understood the German authorities would apply the same forensic techniques as the Portuguese.
There may also be legal restrictions that would not allow the sample to be sent abroad for retesting in such circumstances.

In 2012, Scotland Yard detectives visited a Portuguese forensic laboratory when they were about to launch their own investigation and their request to retest hairs found in the apartment was turned down.''
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 10:41:13 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 17, 2020, 10:24:29 AM
The tabloids have claimed alot over the ensuing years,like Rowley says,most of it is nonsense,sorting the wheat from the chaff is up to grange,I employ them through my tax's.

I had you down as being employed by them Barrier, past or present.   ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 17, 2020, 10:46:44 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 17, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
Media said that but not sure who told them.  Is it reliable ?

Is anything in the media ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 10:41:13 AM
I had you down as being employed by them Barrier, past or present.   ?>)()<

Nah,just don't take anything for granted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 17, 2020, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 17, 2020, 10:46:44 AM
Is anything in the media ?

I had a google about this phone call but could not find any attributed link between this and a girlfriend, so conclude it was Tabloid fiction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on June 17, 2020, 11:01:30 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 10:38:56 AM
More nonsense from sky?

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482)

''German investigators want to retest a mystery saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests on the sample apparently found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

But the German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because the sample - thought to have been found on Madeleine's bed - is potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

But the Portuguese police (PJ) are unlikely to send the sample, partly because of recent criticism by the German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

He said last week the PJ still believed that Madeleine's parents were responsible for their daughter's disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007. The PJ ruled them out as suspects in 2008.

It is understood the German authorities would apply the same forensic techniques as the Portuguese.
There may also be legal restrictions that would not allow the sample to be sent abroad for retesting in such circumstances.

In 2012, Scotland Yard detectives visited a Portuguese forensic laboratory when they were about to launch their own investigation and their request to retest hairs found in the apartment was turned down.''

The Germans have got themselves in a right pickle now after claiming to have solved the Madeleine McCann case. They have even managed to upset the parents if the latest press release is anything to go by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 17, 2020, 11:14:05 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 10:38:56 AM
More nonsense from sky?

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482)

''German investigators want to retest a mystery saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests on the sample apparently found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

But the German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because the sample - thought to have been found on Madeleine's bed - is potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

But the Portuguese police (PJ) are unlikely to send the sample, partly because of recent criticism by the German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

He said last week the PJ still believed that Madeleine's parents were responsible for their daughter's disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007. The PJ ruled them out as suspects in 2008.

It is understood the German authorities would apply the same forensic techniques as the Portuguese.
There may also be legal restrictions that would not allow the sample to be sent abroad for retesting in such circumstances.

In 2012, Scotland Yard detectives visited a Portuguese forensic laboratory when they were about to launch their own investigation and their request to retest hairs found in the apartment was turned down.''

Yes, more rubbish. The DNA extracted from the semen/saliva stain by the Portuguese lab. was identified by the FSS as belonging to a small boy who occupied 5A before the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 11:15:53 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 17, 2020, 11:14:05 AM
Yes, more rubbish. The DNA extracted from the semen/saliva stain by the Portuguese lab. was identified by the FSS as belonging to a small boy who occupied 5A before the McCanns.

Was that because it matched his profile or because they decided semen couldn't possibly be from a boy that age?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 17, 2020, 11:51:23 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 11:15:53 AM
Was that because it matched his profile or because they decided semen couldn't possibly be from a boy that age?

Here is the evidence;

DNA profile sent to FSS.

On the other hand, it was possible to define the autosomic STR profile of the sperm stain detected on the bedspread of one of the beds in the bedroom from where the child went missing. It has been already checked that there is no matching between the obtained genetic profile and the profile of the various samples of reference, which include the ones of the parents, friends, and others. Therefore, that DNA profile is now being forwarded to you, so that it can be inserted in your database, with the request that you check if it matches any of the genetic profiles from 3 British citizens who had stayed in the apartment in question, before the McCanns started to use that apartment on May 3rd, 2007.

FSS response.

I conclude further that, the DNA profiles obtained from the 'crime stain 1' and 286A/2007/CRL9A & B coincide with Charlie Gordon (bar code 51156964). I believe that Charlie Gordon was born on 29 January 2005, and if this is the case, in my opinion, the DNA profile obtained in 'crime stain 1' is not the result of semen found on the blanket.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 11:57:10 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 17, 2020, 11:51:23 AM
Here is the evidence;

DNA profile sent to FSS.

On the other hand, it was possible to define the autosomic STR profile of the sperm stain detected on the bedspread of one of the beds in the bedroom from where the child went missing. It has been already checked that there is no matching between the obtained genetic profile and the profile of the various samples of reference, which include the ones of the parents, friends, and others. Therefore, that DNA profile is now being forwarded to you, so that it can be inserted in your database, with the request that you check if it matches any of the genetic profiles from 3 British citizens who had stayed in the apartment in question, before the McCanns started to use that apartment on May 3rd, 2007.

FSS response.

I conclude further that, the DNA profiles obtained from the 'crime stain 1' and 286A/2007/CRL9A & B coincide with Charlie Gordon (bar code 51156964). I believe that Charlie Gordon was born on 29 January 2005, and if this is the case, in my opinion, the DNA profile obtained in 'crime stain 1' is not the result of semen found on the blanket.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

Thankyou!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 17, 2020, 12:37:34 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 11:57:10 AM
Thankyou!

9A and 9B were collected on 4th August and sent straight to the FSS;

9A - Stain on the wall recovered with a Dry swab;
9B - Stain on the wall recovered with swab with distilled water;
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

Both swabs relate to one stain found on the wall behind the couch under the window in 5A. Quite how that 2 year old got his DNA in that spot I can't imagine.

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_VOLUME_XIIa_Page_3215.jpg)



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 12:44:59 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 10:38:56 AM
More nonsense from sky?

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482)

''German investigators want to retest a mystery saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests on the sample apparently found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

But the German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because the sample - thought to have been found on Madeleine's bed - is potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

But the Portuguese police (PJ) are unlikely to send the sample, partly because of recent criticism by the German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

He said last week the PJ still believed that Madeleine's parents were responsible for their daughter's disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007. The PJ ruled them out as suspects in 2008.

It is understood the German authorities would apply the same forensic techniques as the Portuguese.
There may also be legal restrictions that would not allow the sample to be sent abroad for retesting in such circumstances.

In 2012, Scotland Yard detectives visited a Portuguese forensic laboratory when they were about to launch their own investigation and their request to retest hairs found in the apartment was turned down.''

Hmm.

I think either Martin has got mixed up or the German authorities have, or a mixture of both.

The only saliva stain on a bed was on the other bed in Madeleine's room and, despite testing "weakly positive" to sperm, was later found to have belonged to the baby boy of a previous occupant... and therefore hardly likely to be sperm.

There is however:

FSS-GF-680 Emissao 2, Pagina 1

On 9 April 2008, the DNA profiles obtained from the probatory components [objects] 286A/2007/CRL1A&B, 4A&B, 9A&B e 16A&B were submitted with a request to the National DNA Database(R).

Various matches were obtained with the results of 286A/2007/CRL4A&B; the majority of them were eliminated based on additional information obtained from the result; however, two remain (namely, bar codes 90264515 & 90374723). Those profiles were obtained using the old SGM system which examined only six areas of DNA. For this reason the samples should be upgraded [re-tested] using the new standard system SGMplus. It is likely that those samples would be eliminated after the upgrade.

Various matches were obtained with the results of 286A/2007/CRL9A&B; the majority of them were eliminated based on additional information obtained from the result; however, one remains (namely, bar code 80004801). It has matched with a sample of a spot recovered from a crime and cannot, at this time, be associated with a specific individual. Nevertheless, as that sample was processed with the old SGM system I consider the match to be of negligible significance.
All matches obtained from other samples were eliminated.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

If the "national database" meant the UK's one, then the sample would have predated her disappearance by years and therefore irrelevant.

OTOH, if the SGM result had been imported via Interpol for some reason... then there could possibly be a more recent connection. But I find that to be a somewhat remote possibility.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 17, 2020, 12:37:34 PM
9A and 9B were collected on 4th August and sent straight to the FSS;

9A - Stain on the wall recovered with a Dry swab;
9B - Stain on the wall recovered with swab with distilled water;
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

Both swabs relate to one stain found on the wall behind the couch under the window in 5A. Quite how that 2 year old got his DNA in that spot I can't imagine.

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_VOLUME_XIIa_Page_3215.jpg)

We were thinking of the same thing.

TBH, it could have just been the baby being carried around in the flat and who put his finger on the wall on his way to the table to eat or to just look out the window. OTOH, there wasn't enough info to positively identify anyone in the wall sample.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 01:35:41 PM
Quote from: Admin on June 17, 2020, 11:01:30 AM
The Germans have got themselves in a right pickle now after claiming to have solved the Madeleine McCann case. They have even managed to upset the parents if the latest press release is anything to go by.

Tending to agree with you on that for the moment...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 17, 2020, 02:38:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 17, 2020, 12:37:34 PM
9A and 9B were collected on 4th August and sent straight to the FSS;


It did not take them that long  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 02:57:52 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 17, 2020, 02:38:52 PM
It did not take them that long  @)(++(*

For the moment, the German prosecutor is pursuing a murder investigation. On what basis... ??? For the moment, there's no way of knowing if he's throwing mud on a wall and hoping that something sticks or whether there is solid evidence, but just short of proof.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 17, 2020, 03:36:58 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 17, 2020, 02:38:52 PM
It did not take them that long  @)(++(*

Please explain?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 17, 2020, 03:37:24 PM
https://www.the-sun.com/news/994373/madeleine-mccann-cops-re-test-saliva-algarve/
In this article, again, a ‘scrap of blue material’ is mentioned. G-unit gave an explanation as well as references to the files. Does this mean the ‘scrap’ is part of the saliva sample?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 17, 2020, 03:37:24 PM
https://www.the-sun.com/news/994373/madeleine-mccann-cops-re-test-saliva-algarve/
In this article, again, a ‘scrap of blue material’ is mentioned. G-unit gave an explanation as well as references to the files. Does this mean the ‘scrap’ is part of the saliva sample?

AFAIK, that would be the piece of cloth from the bedspread on the other bed in the kids' room, on which the supposed sperm / later found to be most likely saliva from the baby boy was found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 17, 2020, 04:17:44 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 17, 2020, 03:37:24 PM
https://www.the-sun.com/news/994373/madeleine-mccann-cops-re-test-saliva-algarve/
In this article, again, a ‘scrap of blue material’ is mentioned. G-unit gave an explanation as well as references to the files. Does this mean the ‘scrap’ is part of the saliva sample?

As far as I can remember and I do have an excellent memory, that scrap was cut from the bedspread on the other single bed in the children's bedroom.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 17, 2020, 05:46:55 PM
Deutsch sprechen?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mmz2gapVFA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mmz2gapVFA)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 06:29:10 PM
A BBC correspondant on twitter 1 hour ago;

'@GavinLeeBBC
The Braunschweig prosecutor, Christian Wolters, has made clear to the BBC that there’s no forensic evidence to indicate that #MadeleineMcCann is dead.

He adds “We have a fact-based suspicion that the accused (Christian B) has killed Madeleine”
It’s a “concrete suspicion (http://“concrete suspicion)” he says;'

This is what I suspected. The UK press don't understand the Germans being able to open a murder case based on suspicion and experience of similar crimes only. They have confused 'concrete suspicion' with 'concrete proof' IMO.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 06:29:10 PM
A BBC correspondant on twitter 1 hour ago;

'@GavinLeeBBC
The Braunschweig prosecutor, Christian Wolters, has made clear to the BBC that there’s no forensic evidence to indicate that #MadeleineMcCann is dead.

He adds “We have a fact-based suspicion that the accused (Christian B) has killed Madeleine”
It’s a “concrete suspicion (http://“concrete suspicion)” he says;'

This is what I suspected. The UK press don't understand the Germans being able to open a murder case based on suspicion and experience of similar crimes only. They have confused 'concrete suspicion' with 'concrete proof' IMO.

What makes suspicion concrete... By definition it isnt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 06:44:40 PM
What makes suspicion concrete... By definition it isnt

Maybe it doesn't lend itself to translation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 06:49:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 17, 2020, 06:47:31 PM
Maybe it doesn't lend itself to translation.

Maybe it's just badly translated
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 06:49:32 PM
Maybe it's just badly translated

Not everything is done to please the English language.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 06:53:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 17, 2020, 06:50:20 PM
Not everything is done to please the English language.
Not sure what you mean by that... It's fairly clear it's, a poor translation... Even concrete proof is poor... Proof is proof
I note he doesn't mention evidence.

English and German are quite closely related.. I speak a little
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 06:29:10 PM
A BBC correspondant on twitter 1 hour ago;

'@GavinLeeBBC
The Braunschweig prosecutor, Christian Wolters, has made clear to the BBC that there’s no forensic evidence to indicate that #MadeleineMcCann is dead.

He adds “We have a fact-based suspicion that the accused (Christian B) has killed Madeleine”
It’s a “concrete suspicion (http://“concrete suspicion)” he says;'

This is what I suspected. The UK press don't understand the Germans being able to open a murder case based on suspicion and experience of similar crimes only. They have confused 'concrete suspicion' with 'concrete proof' IMO.

So his effort to clarify the situation hasn't worked... Unless someone can explain what a concrete suspicion is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 07:00:05 PM
Making it up as they go along.

First up.

Madeleine McCann: German police want to retest mystery saliva sample

Completed with.

Prosecutor Mr Wolters refused to discuss the case or any request for the sample when contacted by Sky News.

It is not known which sample the German authorities have asked for, but many were collected and tested after Madeleine vanished.


https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:06:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 06:59:18 PM
So his effort to clarify the situation hasn't worked... Unless someone can explain what a concrete suspicion is

I think his suspicion ( as in enough to open an investigation in legal terms) is concrete. As in that threshold has been met. He can base his suspicion on someone's profile and the possibility they were in the area.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 07:10:24 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 17, 2020, 07:00:05 PM
Making it up as they go along.

First up.

Madeleine McCann: German police want to retest mystery saliva sample

Completed with.

Prosecutor Mr Wolters refused to discuss the case or any request for the sample when contacted by Sky News.

It is not known which sample the German authorities have asked for, but many were collected and tested after Madeleine vanished.


https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482

Clear as mud.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 07:12:35 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:06:32 PM
I think his suspicion ( as in enough to open an investigation in legal terms) is concrete. As in that threshold has been met. He can base his suspicion on someone's profile and the possibility they were in the area.

Clear as mud... I'll tell you what makes a suspicion concrete... Evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 07:20:53 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:06:32 PM
I think his suspicion ( as in enough to open an investigation in legal terms) is concrete. As in that threshold has been met. He can base his suspicion on someone's profile and the possibility they were in the area.

The prosecutor seems to be going for a murder charge. The little I've gathered about German law seems to be similar to the UK: for the prosecution to take a case to court, there has to be a greater chance of being convicted than of being acquitted. Not sure where I read that, so take it as opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 07:12:35 PM
Clear as mud... I'll tell you what makes a suspicion concrete... Evidence

It is clear if you understand some of the German legal system and how they open investigations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 17, 2020, 07:29:34 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
It is clear if you understand some of the German legal system and how they open investigations.

Is this the difference between Adversarial and Inquisitorial?  I never can remember the difference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:35:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 17, 2020, 07:29:34 PM
Is this the difference between Adversarial and Inquisitorial?  I never can remember the difference.

It is Inquisitorial, as in a judge would interrogate...but this is the point I've been trying to make;

'“The degree of suspicion needed to open an investigation (Anfangsverdacht) based on ascertainable facts is not very high, though; it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

Excerpt From: Bohlander, Michael. “Principles of German Criminal Procedure.”

Based on this and what he has said ( for me at least) it confirms the Prosecutor, based on experience believes it possible the crime has been committed. The UK press don't understand that and have jumped on the word 'concrete' thinking it means he has a piece of concrete evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
It is clear if you understand some of the German legal system and how they open investigations.

What is not clear is what is a concrete suspicion.. I can only think it's a suspicion based on evidence.  You may have convinced yourself you make sense but your inability to explain what a concrete suspicion is tells me you that you don't make sense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 17, 2020, 07:38:47 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:35:23 PM
It is Inquisitorial, as in a judge would interrogate...but this is the point I've been trying to make;

'“The degree of suspicion needed to open an investigation (Anfangsverdacht) based on ascertainable facts is not very high, though; it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

Excerpt From: Bohlander, Michael. “Principles of German Criminal Procedure.”

Based on this and what he has said ( for me at least) it confirms the Prosecutor, based on experience believes it possible the crime has been committed. The UK press don't understand that and have jumped on the word 'concrete' thinking it means he has a piece of concrete evidence.

It is good to see that a policeman’s instinct is valued in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 17, 2020, 07:43:41 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:35:23 PM
It is Inquisitorial, as in a judge would interrogate...but this is the point I've been trying to make;

'“The degree of suspicion needed to open an investigation (Anfangsverdacht) based on ascertainable facts is not very high, though; it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

Excerpt From: Bohlander, Michael. “Principles of German Criminal Procedure.”

Based on this and what he has said ( for me at least) it confirms the Prosecutor, based on experience believes it possible the crime has been committed. The UK press don't understand that and have jumped on the word 'concrete' thinking it means he has a piece of concrete evidence.

Thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:44:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 07:38:40 PM
What is not clear is what is a concrete suspicion.. I can only think it's a suspicion based on evidence.  You may have convinced yourself you make sense but your inability to explain what a concrete suspicion is tells me you that you don't make sense

 I don't make sense to you Davel because you don't want it to make sense IMO.

I've quoted a legal source that says '“to open an investigation....it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

The Prosecutor can base his 'suspicion' on experience. That's a legal fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 07:55:38 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:44:56 PM
I don't make sense to you Davel because you don't want it to make sense IMO.

I've quoted a legal source that says '“to open an investigation....it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

The Prosecutor can base his 'suspicion' on experience. That's a legal fact.

The fact did not take away from the fact that he doesn't refer to it as a suspicion but a concrete suspicion.
Another fact is you have no right to tell me why I don't accept something... Another mistake by you... Take note
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 08:00:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 07:55:38 PM
The fact died not take away from the fact that he doesn't refer to it as a suspicion but a concrete suspicion.
Another fact is you have no right to tell me why I don't accept something... Another mistake by you... Take note

I said IMO. I am entitled to an opinion, please take note of that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 08:02:58 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 08:00:01 PM
I said IMO. I am entitled to an opinion, please take note of that.

And i think you are jumping to conclusions without enough evidence to support your conclusions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 08:06:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 08:02:58 PM
And i thuink you are jumping to conclusions without enough evidence to support your conclusions.

A few days ago more than one member on here had some very strong opinions on me misreading an article and making a mistake. I was told I had done it to mislead. apparently it's fine for people to have an opinion about such things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 08:06:53 PM
A few days ago more than one member on here had some very strong opinions on me misreading an article and making a mistake. I was told I had done it to mislead. apparently it's fine for people to have an opinion about such things.

You'll learn who to engage with,it'll make your experience here more enjoyable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 08:19:39 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:44:56 PM
I don't make sense to you Davel because you don't want it to make sense IMO.

I've quoted a legal source that says '“to open an investigation....it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

The Prosecutor can base his 'suspicion' on experience. That's a legal fact.

What you haven't shown is that this is the situation in this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 08:19:39 PM
What you haven't shown is that this is the situation in this case.

I'm saying it's likely based on what the prosecutor has said and German law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
I'm saying it's likely based on what the prosecutor has said and German law.

it's likely in your opinion. You seem to want to believe that the germans have absolutely no evidence.  A concrete suspicion sounds like a suspicion based on evidence to me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 08:46:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 08:35:29 PM
it's likely in your opinion. You seem to want to believe that the germans have absolutely no evidence.  A concrete suspicion sounds like a suspicion based on evidence to me

I don't believe they have 'absolutely no evidence'. I quoted a legal source that says the threshold can be low there's a difference. Our media seem to believe the threshold must be higher to open a murder investigation which is not so in Germany. This has resulted IMO, in our media inventing claims of 'concrete evidence'.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 08:46:36 PM
I don't believe they have 'absolutely no evidence'. I quoted a legal source that says the threshold can be low there's a difference. Our media seem to believe the threshold must be higher to open a murder investigation which is not so in Germany. This has resulted IMO, in our media inventing claims of 'concrete evidence'.
There's lots of your opinion there....what evidence do you have for what the press beleive. I would say many investigations in the UK are opened on suspicion with evidence subsequently obtained. I dont see that germany are unique in this.
Have the media invented concrete suspicion or are those words  an accurate translation of what was said....Im fairly sure you dont know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 09:11:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 09:01:05 PM
There's lots of your opinion there....what evidence do you have for what the press beleive. I would say many investigations in the UK are opened on suspicion with evidence subsequently obtained. I dont see that germany are unique in this.
Have the media invented concrete suspicion or are those words  an accurate translation of what was said....Im fairly sure you dont know.

The German legal system is different. That's a fact. The press were writing '100%' she was dead and 'concrete evidence'....
 I think I have shown to a reasonable degree why they have misconstrued the prosecutors 'suspicion' with 'evidence'

You don't want to accept it fine, don't. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 09:19:44 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 09:11:23 PM
The German legal system is different. That's a fact. The press were writing '100%' she was dead and 'concrete evidence'....
 I think I have shown to a reasonable degree why they have misconstrued the prosecutors 'suspicion' with 'evidence'

You don't want to accept it fine, don't.

I don't accept a lot of what is said here because it simply isn't true. It's the prosecutors concrete suspicion by the way... According  to your recent post
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 09:24:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 09:19:44 PM
I don't accept a lot of what is said here because it simply isn't true.

In your opinion. At least I went to the trouble of sources to back up how I came to mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 09:19:44 PM
I don't accept a lot of what is said here because it simply isn't true. It's the prosecutors concrete suspicion by the way... According  to your recent post

You've lost me now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 09:29:08 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 09:24:22 PM
In your opinion. At least I went to the trouble of sources to back up how I came to mine.

I can back up everything I say. The fact that you think you've justified your opinion is simply your opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 09:46:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 09:29:08 PM
I can back up everything I say. The fact that you think you've justified your opinion is simply your opinion

I made it clear it was my opinion and I formed that opinion on what has been said in the media and German law, not sure why you have such a problem with it.

You still haven't explained this

 'It's the prosecutors concrete suspicion by the way... According  to your recent post'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 17, 2020, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 06:29:10 PM
A BBC correspondant on twitter 1 hour ago;

'@GavinLeeBBC
The Braunschweig prosecutor, Christian Wolters, has made clear to the BBC that there’s no forensic evidence to indicate that #MadeleineMcCann is dead.

He adds “We have a fact-based suspicion that the accused (Christian B) has killed Madeleine”
It’s a “concrete suspicion (http://“concrete suspicion)” he says;'

This is what I suspected. The UK press don't understand the Germans being able to open a murder case based on suspicion and experience of similar crimes only. They have confused 'concrete suspicion' with 'concrete proof' IMO.

I know next to nothing of German criminal law. Wrapping my head around PT law was bad enough.

In some countries, if the prosecution goes for a lesser charge, it can't then be changed to a higher one (and no, I can't remember which ones). Is this the case in Germany or not? If so, it could explain the attempt to go for a murder one first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 17, 2020, 09:49:30 PM
I know next to nothing of German criminal law. Wrapping my head around PT law was bad enough.

In some countries, if the prosecution goes for a lesser charge, it can't then be changed to a higher one (and no, I can't remember which ones). Is this the case in Germany or not? If so, it could explain the attempt to go for a murder one first.

I think there can be an initial charge put to the suspect before interrogation which can be different than the one that is used in trial. I don't know how different though, whether the second one is just more detailed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 09:56:28 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 09:46:23 PM
I made it clear it was my opinion and I formed that opinion on what has been said in the media and German law, not sure why you have such a problem with it.

You still haven't explained this

 'It's the prosecutors concrete suspicion by the way... According  to your recent post'

You continually say the case is being investigated purely on suspicion... I'm pointing out it seems it's a concrete suspicion...that sounds like a suspicion based on evidence to me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
I think there can be an initial charge put to the suspect before interrogation which can be different than the one that is used in trial. I don't know how different though, whether the second one is just more detailed.

In any investigation in any country I think it's true to say charges can change as the investigation progresses
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
I think there can be an initial charge put to the suspect before interrogation which can be different than the one that is used in trial. I don't know how different though, whether the second one is just more detailed.

I doubt a suspect has to be charged before being questioned
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 17, 2020, 10:03:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 08:02:58 PM
And i think you are jumping to conclusions without enough evidence to support your conclusions.

And I don’t think she is...so it looks like you’re in the minority.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 17, 2020, 10:07:17 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 17, 2020, 10:03:56 PM
And I don’t think she is...so it looks like you’re in the minority.

I don't think I am... According  to Portuguese journalist interviewing amaral most Portuguese  don't think she's guilty


MST : Let me ask you a question, do you think that in this country many people believes that Leonor Cipriano killed her daughter ?
GA : I think so.
MST : Very few people, Gonçalo Amaral, very few people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 17, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 09:58:40 PM
In any investigation in any country I think it's true to say charges can change as the investigation progresses

Yes I’m not familiar with Germany but in the UK you are arrested on suspicion of committing a crime, questioning follows (with the right to remain silent) and various charges may (or may not follow). It’s entirely possible to be arrested for obstruction, for example, but charged with assault etc etc
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 17, 2020, 10:13:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 10:07:17 PM
I don't think I am... According  to Portuguese journalist interviewing amaral most Portuguese  don't think she's guilty

A Portuguese journalist.....wow. Has he carried out a poll ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 10:42:44 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 17, 2020, 10:13:19 PM
A Portuguese journalist.....wow. Has he carried out a poll ?
Yeah!  He asked his parrot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 17, 2020, 10:00:57 PM
I doubt a suspect has to be charged before being questioned

Questioned before an investigative judge. I've explained this before. There is no legal obligation for a suspect to attend police questioning ( which Bruckner reportedly didn't in 2013). The suspect can't refuse to be questioned by a judge but charges would be needed.

' If you are invited by the police for questioning, you are not obliged to appear. You are obliged to appear if you receive a summons from the public prosecutor or a judge.'

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_victims_of_crime_in_criminal_proceedings-171-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=1&member=1 (https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_victims_of_crime_in_criminal_proceedings-171-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=1&member=1)


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 17, 2020, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:06:32 PM
I think his suspicion ( as in enough to open an investigation in legal terms) is concrete. As in that threshold has been met. He can base his suspicion on someone's profile and the possibility they were in the area.

Yes, a bit like circumstantial evidence, not physical evidence or witness to place him at the crime scene committing the murder/abduction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 18, 2020, 12:51:40 AM
Meantime, the press has been full of every kind of lurid unsolved murder possible, suggesting Brückner could have been responsible for any or all of them.

This is despite there being nothing more than circumstantial evidence at best, or indeed no evidence at all, to link him to the cases.

The Resident has spoken to people who remember Brückner from the early 2000s, and while they attest to him being “very weird” and giving off the impression that “there was something not quite right about him”, there was nothing to suggest he was a predatory serial killer.

Nonetheless, mainstream media is adamant that German investigators believe they have their man.

https://www.portugalresident.com/maddie-suspect-denies-involvement-in-case/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 01:06:10 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 10:49:21 PM
Questioned before an investigative judge. I've explained this before. There is no legal obligation for a suspect to attend police questioning ( which Bruckner reportedly didn't in 2013). The suspect can't refuse to be questioned by a judge but charges would be needed.

' If you are invited by the police for questioning, you are not obliged to appear. You are obliged to appear if you receive a summons from the public prosecutor or a judge.'

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_victims_of_crime_in_criminal_proceedings-171-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=1&member=1 (https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_victims_of_crime_in_criminal_proceedings-171-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=1&member=1)

Not sure how a Judge can force him to answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 18, 2020, 05:34:35 AM
‘One saliva sample found on Madeleine’s bedspread was ruled out because it belonged to a boy who previously stayed in the apartment.

Sources say it is a second saliva sample, reportedly found on the youngster’s pillow, that German authorities want to test’.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddie-mccann-police-clash-over-22210667
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 07:04:10 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 18, 2020, 05:34:35 AM
‘One saliva sample found on Madeleine’s bedspread was ruled out because it belonged to a boy who previously stayed in the apartment.

Sources say it is a second saliva sample, reportedly found on the youngster’s pillow, that German authorities want to test’.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddie-mccann-police-clash-over-22210667

Only one piece of cloth collected,no mention of any other from a bed.

1 piece of cloth in envelope no. 5 recovered from the bedspread of the bed next to the window in the children's bedroom.
Fragment of cloth, mauve/violet in colour with square motifs, circular in form about 10cm in diameter. A small fluorescent spot is observed under a Crime-light.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm



- Profile identified by letter "L", present in the spot on the bedspread of the bed next to the window and in seven hairs, meaning that all these samples came from the same person or from someone having the same maternal bloodline, did not match any of the reference samples.

- Nature of the sample

Phadebas Forensic test, for detection of saliva on the fragment of cloth corresponding to vestigio n'. 5 collected from the counterpane of the bed next to the window of the children's bedroom.

CONCLUSIONS

First: In total in the two phases of the case there were 25 reference samples and 447 vestiges studied: 1 spot on the counterpane; 2 objects from the car boot and 444 hairs. The macro- and microscopic analyses of the 444 hairs revealed that 432 were humano and 12 non-human, no result being obtained for 98 hairs and only partial results for l9 hairs. With respect to the plastic object from the car boot no results were obtained.

Second: The search for saliva in the mark on the counterpane from one of the beds in apartament 5A of tourist resort Ocean Club was positive.


The Mirror must know of a sample not taken.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 07:48:46 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 10:49:21 PM
Questioned before an investigative judge. I've explained this before. There is no legal obligation for a suspect to attend police questioning ( which Bruckner reportedly didn't in 2013). The suspect can't refuse to be questioned by a judge but charges would be needed.

' If you are invited by the police for questioning, you are not obliged to appear. You are obliged to appear if you receive a summons from the public prosecutor or a judge.'

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_victims_of_crime_in_criminal_proceedings-171-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=1&member=1 (https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_victims_of_crime_in_criminal_proceedings-171-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=1&member=1)

As Ive said you dont need to be charged before being questioned as a suspect. Afaiaa every suspect has the right to silence in just about any civilised country. You quote doesnt  support questioning by a judge...Ive never heard of a judge questioning a suspect...it refers to a summons for by a judge for questioning...similar to a warant for an arrest I would think.
Your link seems to be referring to being a witness..not a suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 08:20:37 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 18, 2020, 05:34:35 AM
‘One saliva sample found on Madeleine’s bedspread was ruled out because it belonged to a boy who previously stayed in the apartment.

Sources say it is a second saliva sample, reportedly found on the youngster’s pillow, that German authorities want to test’.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddie-mccann-police-clash-over-22210667

The Mail are only talking of the one sample.

The rags can't even get it straight between them.

Police at war over Madeleine McCann DNA evidence as Portuguese REFUSE 'arrogant' German request to retest saliva sample found on her bed spread to see if it matches prime suspect

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8433555/Portuguese-police-blast-Madeleine-McCann-officers-Germany-arrogant.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 18, 2020, 08:25:27 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 18, 2020, 05:34:35 AM
‘One saliva sample found on Madeleine’s bedspread was ruled out because it belonged to a boy who previously stayed in the apartment.

Sources say it is a second saliva sample, reportedly found on the youngster’s pillow, that German authorities want to test’.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddie-mccann-police-clash-over-22210667

I think the Mirror has got it wrong... again.

The only saliva stain on her pillow (in the files) was from her bed in Rothley, which was used to establish her presumptive DNA profile.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 18, 2020, 08:39:17 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 18, 2020, 08:25:27 AM
I think the Mirror has got it wrong... again.

The only saliva stain on her pillow (in the files) was from her bed in Rothley, which was used to establish her presumptive DNA profile.
The Germans might have found some unknown DNA on Brueckner's clothing or possessions which they think could belong to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 18, 2020, 08:42:22 AM
Another short report from Spiegel TV... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yifTRpSfz-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yifTRpSfz-g)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 08:43:02 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 18, 2020, 08:25:27 AM
I think the Mirror has got it wrong... again.

The only saliva stain on her pillow (in the files) was from her bed in Rothley, which was used to establish her presumptive DNA profile.

That's what I thought.  The pillow case in Portugal was sent to the laundry the next day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 08:46:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 07:48:46 AM
As Ive said you dont need to be charged before being questioned as a suspect. Afaiaa every suspect has the right to silence in just about any civilised country. You quote doesnt  support questioning by a judge...Ive never heard of a judge questioning a suspect...it refers to a summons for by a judge for questioning...similar to a warant for an arrest I would think.
Your link seems to be referring to being a witness..not a suspect

In France The Judge de Instruction does have the right to question suspects.  Not sure what happens if the suspect refuses to answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 08:53:53 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 18, 2020, 08:39:17 AM
The Germans might have found some unknown DNA on Brueckner's clothing or possessions which they think could belong to Madeleine.
Even another DNA sample that could link the two places would be of use IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:04:20 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 08:46:33 AM
In France The Judge de Instruction does have the right to question suspects.  Not sure what happens if the suspect refuses to answer.

Is that at trial, Ive never heard of judges questioning suspects. I'm sure the right to silence is pretty well universal.
it's covered by the ECHR right to  a fair trial.

Rights

The directive sets out fundamental rights of an accused or suspected person in a criminal proceeding:

innocentuntil proven guilty
EU countries must take steps to ensure that public statements by public authorities and judicial decisions (other than those on guilt) do not refer to the person as being guilty
EU countries must also take steps to ensure that suspected or accused persons are not presented as being guilty in court or in public by physically restraining them;
burden of proof on the prosecution;
right to remain silent and not to incriminate oneself;


note the right to the presumption of innocence applies to suspects.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 07:48:46 AM
As Ive said you dont need to be charged before being questioned as a suspect. Afaiaa every suspect has the right to silence in just about any civilised country. You quote doesnt  support questioning by a judge...Ive never heard of a judge questioning a suspect...it refers to a summons for by a judge for questioning...similar to a warant for an arrest I would think.
Your link seems to be referring to being a witness..not a suspect

I didn't say he couldn't remain silent.  He has not been charged with anything at this stage so... has the same rights as a witness re. questioning. The police can not force you to attend questioning in Germany, they can request and you can refuse. Only a court summons in enforceable and then you would be up in front of a judge ( which is still a pre-trial phase) and you need to be charged for that summons. Avoiding questioning at this point is more serious as you have been charged and it can only go two ways after that - dismissed or a trial.

''The state prosecution but not the police (!)  may order the suspect to appear before them for interrogation (133 I &163a III 1 StPO) even though the suspect does not have to make a statement
 When interrogated by any of the aforementioned authorities, the suspect first has to be informed of the charges brought against him''

The 'state prosecution' is usually an investigative judge in serious cases.

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/German_Legal_System_and_Laws.html?id=BkWcAQAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y (https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/German_Legal_System_and_Laws.html?id=BkWcAQAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y)

''If the public prosecutor or a court has called you for questioning (Vernehmung), you must attend. If you fail to respond you may be brought before the prosecutor or court by force. If you are called for questioning by the police you are not bound to attend.''

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=3 (https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=3)



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:13:00 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
I didn't say he couldn't remain silent.  He has not been charged with anything at this stage so... has the same rights as a witness re. questioning. The police can not force you to attend questioning in Germany, they can request and you can refuse. Only a court summons in enforceable and then you would be up in front of a judge ( which is still a pre-trial phase) and you need to be charged for that summons. Avoiding questioning at this point is more serious as you have been charged and it can only go two ways after that - dismissed or a trial.

''The state prosecution but not the police (!)  may order the suspect to appear before them for interrogation (133 I &163a III 1 StPO) even though the suspect does not have to make a statement
 When interrogated by any of the aforementioned authorities, the suspect first has to be informed of the charges brought against him''

The 'state prosecution' is usually an investigative judge in serious cases.

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/German_Legal_System_and_Laws.html?id=BkWcAQAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y (https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/German_Legal_System_and_Laws.html?id=BkWcAQAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y)

''If the public prosecutor or a court has called you for questioning (Vernehmung), you must attend. If you fail to respond you may be brought before the prosecutor or court by force. If you are called for questioning by the police you are not bound to attend.''

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=3 (https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=3)

i think you will find witnesses and suspects have different rights when it comes to answerring questions. you still havent shown taht a judge is responsible for questioning...ive never heard of a judge questioning a suspect. a judge can issue  awarrant for an arrest for questioning but the judge doesnt carry out the questioning
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:04:20 AM
Is that at trial, Ive never heard of judges questioning suspects. I'm sure the right to silence is pretty well universal.
it's covered by the ECHR right to  a fair trial.

Rights

The directive sets out fundamental rights of an accused or suspected person in a criminal proceeding:

innocentuntil proven guilty
EU countries must take steps to ensure that public statements by public authorities and judicial decisions (other than those on guilt) do not refer to the person as being guilty
EU countries must also take steps to ensure that suspected or accused persons are not presented as being guilty in court or in public by physically restraining them;
burden of proof on the prosecution;
right to remain silent and not to incriminate oneself;


note the right to the presumption of innocence applies to suspects.

A Judge de Instruction is a bit like a Magistrate.  It's Pre Trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:14:50 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
I didn't say he couldn't remain silent.  He has not been charged with anything at this stage so... has the same rights as a witness re. questioning. The police can not force you to attend questioning in Germany, they can request and you can refuse. Only a court summons in enforceable and then you would be up in front of a judge ( which is still a pre-trial phase) and you need to be charged for that summons. Avoiding questioning at this point is more serious as you have been charged and it can only go two ways after that - dismissed or a trial.

''The state prosecution but not the police (!)  may order the suspect to appear before them for interrogation (133 I &163a III 1 StPO) even though the suspect does not have to make a statement
 When interrogated by any of the aforementioned authorities, the suspect first has to be informed of the charges brought against him''

The 'state prosecution' is usually an investigative judge in serious cases.

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/German_Legal_System_and_Laws.html?id=BkWcAQAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y (https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/German_Legal_System_and_Laws.html?id=BkWcAQAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y)

''If the public prosecutor or a court has called you for questioning (Vernehmung), you must attend. If you fail to respond you may be brought before the prosecutor or court by force. If you are called for questioning by the police you are not bound to attend.''

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=3 (https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-DE-maximizeMS-en.do?clang=en&idSubpage=3)

portugal makes it very clear and Im fairly sure its the same throughout Europe. A suspect can lie. if  awitness lies that can be charged with perverting the course of justice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:17:03 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:14:43 AM
A Judge de Instruction is a bit like a Magistrate.  It's Pre Trial.

Is this once a suspect has been charged...like an arraignment in the US. I simply cant see a judge or  amagistrate being involved in the initial questioning of a suspect

An arraignment is usually the first part of the criminal procedure that occurs in a courtroom before a judge or magistrate. The purpose of an arraignment is to provide the accused with a reading of the crime with which he or she has been charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:20:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:17:03 AM
Is this once a suspect has been charged...like an arraignment in the US. I simply cant see a judge or  amagistrate being involved in the initial questioning of a suspect

They aren't what we call proper Judges.  They are there to decide if there is a case to answer and if they so decide then the case is sent to trial.

They have been known to get it wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:20:56 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:13:00 AM
i think you will find witnesses and suspects have different rights when it comes to answerring questions. you still havent shown taht a judge is responsible for questioning...ive never heard of a judge questioning a suspect. a judge can issue  awarrant for an arrest for questioning but the judge doesnt carry out the questioning

You don't understand. He is subject to the same rights on questioning as a witness at this stage. The same parts of the german criminal code apply to them both on questioning He is not the equivalent of a 'suspect' in UK law...yet

With regards to the judge I showed you this, why are you ignoring it?

'If the public prosecutor or a court has called you for questioning (Vernehmung), you must attend. If you fail to respond you may be brought before the prosecutor or court by force. If you are called for questioning by the police you are not bound to attend.''

Who sits in a court?  If you don't answer that honestly then I will assume you are being silly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:22:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:17:03 AM
Is this once a suspect has been charged...like an arraignment in the US. I simply cant see a judge or  amagistrate being involved in the initial questioning of a suspect

An arraignment is usually the first part of the criminal procedure that occurs in a courtroom before a judge or magistrate. The purpose of an arraignment is to provide the accused with a reading of the crime with which he or she has been charged.

A judge can be involved at first questioning as the defendant has a right to refuse to show up for the first questioning!

'1) The accused shall be summoned in writing to the examination.

(2) The summons may include a warning that the accused will be brought before the court in the case of non-compliance'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 18, 2020, 09:24:41 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 17, 2020, 07:35:23 PM
It is Inquisitorial, as in a judge would interrogate...but this is the point I've been trying to make;

'“The degree of suspicion needed to open an investigation (Anfangsverdacht) based on ascertainable facts is not very high, though; it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

Excerpt From: Bohlander, Michael. “Principles of German Criminal Procedure.”

Based on this and what he has said ( for me at least) it confirms the Prosecutor, based on experience believes it possible the crime has been committed. The UK press don't understand that and have jumped on the word 'concrete' thinking it means he has a piece of concrete evidence.

Thanks for digging that out, Gertrude.

My understanding is that a case would only go to court if there is a stronger likelihood of a conviction than an acquittal (much like elsewhere, in theory). There would appear to be some circumstantial evidence at least, but no hard evidence (as in a body) for the moment, hence the appeal.

I'm not sure if his reasoning is that if there's no information that she's alive, then she's dead; or whether there is some type of concrete but indirect evidence (e.g., pyjamas found somewhere that linked to him).

[Hans Christian Wolters] admitted he does not have enough "hard evidence" for the suspect to go on trial.

(...)
He told Sky News: "After all the information we got, the girl is dead. We have no information that she is alive.


"All indications we have got that I can't tell you point in the direction that Madeleine is dead.

"We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don't have the body."


https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-has-evidence-british-girl-is-dead-12003094

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:29:34 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:20:56 AM
You don't understand. He is subject to the same rights on questioning as a witness at this stage. The same parts of the german criminal code apply to them both on questioning He is not the equivalent of a 'suspect' in UK law...yet

With regards to the judge I showed you this, why are you ignoring it?

'If the public prosecutor or a court has called you for questioning (Vernehmung), you must attend. If you fail to respond you may be brought before the prosecutor or court by force. If you are called for questioning by the police you are not bound to attend.''

Who sits in a court?  If you don't answer that honestly then I will assume you are being silly.
I think you are getting a lot wrong. There is a difference between being questioned as a witness or a suspect. this is a basic principle in law as i've explained....its you who doesnt understand.

This part in red seems similar to the UK. The police can request you attend for questioning ...you are not forced to attend. A judge may issue a warrant for your arrest...that doesnt mean the judge will carry out the questioning.

You have accused me of not understanding... I would say its you who doesnt understand.....you dont seem to understand the difference between a witness and a suspect

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:31:03 AM

In an inquisitorial system of law, the examining magistrate, is a judge who carries out pre-trial investigations into allegations of crime and in some cases makes a recommendation for prosecution. Wikipedia
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:22:16 AM
A judge can be involved at first questioning as the defendant has a right to refuse to show up for the first questioning!

'1) The accused shall be summoned in writing to the examination.

(2) The summons may include a warning that the accused will be brought before the court in the case of non-compliance'

you have supplied nothing to show the judge would question the suspect. i think your claim is ridiculous...police question suspects in order to build  a case...this is not the job of a judge
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:34:47 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:31:03 AM
In an inquisitorial system of law, the examining magistrate, is a judge who carries out pre-trial investigations into allegations of crime and in some cases makes a recommendation for prosecution. Wikipedia

I dont recall anyone in the McCann case being questioned by a judge..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 18, 2020, 09:35:14 AM
IF he was convicted & sentenced for the lesser crime of abduction (in the absence of a body), could he later face a second trial if the body later turned up ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:37:26 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:31:45 AM
you have supplied nothing to show the judge would question the suspect.

Gertrude is basically not wrong.

In France this person is called a Judge d'Instruction.  ie, an Examining Magistrate.  I don't know what the title is in Germany.  He decides if the case will go to trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:39:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:29:34 AM
I think you are getting a lot wrong. There is a difference between being questioned as a witness or a suspect. this is a basic principle in law as i've explained....its you who doesnt understand.

This part in red seems similar to the UK. The police can request you attend for questioning ...you are not forced to attend. A judge may issue a warrant for your arrest...that doesnt mean the judge will carry out the questioning.

You have accused me of not understanding... I would say its you who doesnt understand.....you dont seem to understand the difference between a witness and a suspect

 No really you don't understand.  He has the same right to refuse the police questioning as a witness. They could both be summoned by a judge and questioned by that judge after that. There are different stages of 'suspect' in Germany, he is not yet 'accused'.

 I see you didn't answer 'who sits in a court'.    Simple question you wish to ignore.




'(1) The accused shall be summoned in writing to the examination.

(2) The summons may include a warning that the accused will be brought before the court in the case of non-compliance.

table of contents

Section 134
Appearance before judge''

Please answer, who sits in a court? There's a clue just above this sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:34:47 AM
I dont recall anyone in the McCann case being questioned by a judge..

It never got that far.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:40:26 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:37:26 AM
Gertrude is basically not wrong.

In France this person is called a Judge d'Instruction.  ie, an Examining Magistrate.  I don't know what the title is in Germany.  He decides if the case will go to trial.

I think gertrude is wrong. The system seems the same as in portugal.....the Judge examines the evidence and decides if it goes to trail but does not get involved in building the case...and questioning witnesses and suspects. That is the job of the police
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:37:26 AM
Gertrude is basically not wrong.

In France this person is called a Judge d'Instruction.  ie, an Examining Magistrate.  I don't know what the title is in Germany.  He decides if the case will go to trial.

Blooming eck, I'm liking one of your post's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:40:47 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:37:26 AM
Gertrude is basically not wrong.

In France this person is called a Judge d'Instruction.  ie, an Examining Magistrate.  I don't know what the title is in Germany.  He decides if the case will go to trial.

Thank you Eleanor, we could quibble over the German term but it would still be 'a judge' in a court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:42:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:39:44 AM
It never got that far.

the police questioned hundreds of people...the judge questioned none. as i've pointed out a judge would only get involved some way down the line at an arraignment...NOT initial questioning. Gertrude is absolutely wrong imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:44:16 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:40:47 AM
Thank you Eleanor, we could quibble over the German term but it would still be 'a judge' in a court.
You are also wrong if you think Eleanor is the Judge of who is right or wrong in this discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:44:23 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:40:47 AM
Thank you Eleanor, we could quibble over the German term but it would still be 'a judge' in a court.

It's the word Judge that is the problem, at least in French.  It's not the same as a British term Judge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:46:29 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:44:23 AM
It's the word Judge that is the problem, at least in French.  It's not the same as a British term Judge.

its not the word...its the principle that gertrude is wrong on..imo...judges...magistrates...do not get involved in the inital questioning of suspects and witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:49:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:40:26 AM
I think gertrude is wrong. The system seems the same as in portugal.....the Judge examines the evidence and decides if it goes to trail but does not get involved in building the case...and questioning witnesses and suspects. That is the job of the police

You are blatantly wrong.

'In Germany the prosecution participates in the investigation'

https://www.britannica.com/topic/inquisitorial-procedure (https://www.britannica.com/topic/inquisitorial-procedure)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 09:40:35 AM
Blooming eck, I'm liking one of your post's.

Thank you.  Just stating facts as I understand them.

And goodness me, I have seen some shenanigans in France re Judges d'Instruction.  One of them made a right cock up by ignoring the fact that The Accuser was as mad as a box of frogs with proven mental health issues.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on June 18, 2020, 09:51:14 AM
mcann supporters are always saying there is no evidence the mcanns are guilty in this case there is no evidence this man hurt/killed maddie  is there??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:51:51 AM
The  idea that every suspect who fails to attend for  a voluntary interview is brought before a court to be questioned by the court is totally ridiculous. Furthermore...no suspect can be forced to answer questions...its part of the ECHR
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:52:35 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:40:47 AM
Thank you Eleanor, we could quibble over the German term but it would still be 'a judge' in a court.

Well, not really.  He doesn't have the right to convict.  Only to decide if there is a case to answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:49:15 AM
You are blatantly wrong.

'In Germany the prosecution participates in the investigation'

https://www.britannica.com/topic/inquisitorial-procedure (https://www.britannica.com/topic/inquisitorial-procedure)

its the same in prtugal as weve seen...that does not mean the initial questioning of a suspect is by a judge. As ive pointed out to you a suspect does not even need to answer questions...he has the right to silence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 09:49:15 AM
You are blatantly wrong.

'In Germany the prosecution participates in the investigation'

https://www.britannica.com/topic/inquisitorial-procedure (https://www.britannica.com/topic/inquisitorial-procedure)

Your quote is part of the description of the Pre trial hearing...the arraignment...its you who is wrong...Judges are not involved in the initial questioning of suspects as you calaim..


Under the inquisitorial procedure, the pretrial hearing for bringing a possible indictment is usually under the control of a judge whose responsibilities include the investigation of all aspects of the case, whether favourable or unfavourable to either the prosecution or defense. Witnesses are heard, and the accused, who is represented by counsel, may also be heard, though he is not required to speak and, if he does, he is not put under oath. In Germany the prosecution participates in the investigation; while in France the prosecution presents its recommendations only at the end of the hearing. In both France and Germany the investigating magistrate will recommend a trial only if he is sure that there is sufficient evidence of guilt. The entire dossier of the pretrial proceedings is made available to the defense.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:42:27 AM
the police questioned hundreds of people...the judge questioned none. as i've pointed out a judge would only get involved some way down the line at an arraignment...NOT initial questioning. Gertrude is absolutely wrong imo

You are misunderstanding the term Judge d'Instruction.  Blimmin Hell.  I am going to have to search Google for the term in German.  This is seriously not funny.  French to English is bad enough.  French to German could be way beyond my pay grade.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 09:59:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:40:26 AM
I think gertrude is wrong. The system seems the same as in portugal.....the Judge examines the evidence and decides if it goes to trail but does not get involved in building the case...and questioning witnesses and suspects. That is the job of the police

Judges play a more active role in criminal proceedings, according to the principle of official investigation (section 244, German Code of Penal Process (Strafprozessordnung)). Judges interrogate the accused, call and interrogate witnesses and examine other evidence.

https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-007-7132?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&bhcp=1
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:46:29 AM
its not the word...its the principle that gertrude is wrong on..imo...judges...magistrates...do not get involved in the inital questioning of suspects and witnesses.

Yes they do.  At least in France.  This is The Inquisitorial System.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:57:43 AM
You are misunderstanding the term Judge d'Instruction.  Blimmin Hell.  I am going to have to search Google for the term in German.  This is seriously not funny.  French to English is bad enough.  French to German could be way beyond my pay grade.

judge ..magistate ...makes no difference. Please dont tell me im misunderstanding anything...its gertrude who doesnt understand. Questioning of suspects is carried out by police
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:57:43 AM
You are misunderstanding the term Judge d'Instruction. Blimmin Hell.  I am going to have to search Google for the term in German.  This is seriously not funny.  French to English is bad enough.  French to German could be way beyond my pay grade.

Its not even reached a court. I feel your pain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on June 18, 2020, 09:51:14 AM
mcann supporters are always saying there is no evidence the mcanns are guilty in this case there is no evidence this man hurt/killed maddie  is there??

You are absolutely right, Carly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 10:02:41 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 09:59:06 AM
Judges play a more active role in criminal proceedings, according to the principle of official investigation (section 244, German Code of Penal Process (Strafprozessordnung)). Judges interrogate the accused, call and interrogate witnesses and examine other evidence.

https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-007-7132?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&bhcp=1

i totally agree that judges interrogate the accused...at trial or even pretrial...but not the initial questioning.
You are referring to the ACCUSED...i presume thats once someone is charged
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:02:58 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:57:31 AM
Your quote is part of the description of the Pre trial hearing...the arraignment...its you who is wrong...Judges are not involved in the initial questioning of suspects as you calaim..


Under the inquisitorial procedure, the pretrial hearing for bringing a possible indictment is usually under the control of a judge whose responsibilities include the investigation of all aspects of the case, whether favourable or unfavourable to either the prosecution or defense. Witnesses are heard, and the accused, who is represented by counsel, may also be heard, though he is not required to speak and, if he does, he is not put under oath. In Germany the prosecution participates in the investigation; while in France the prosecution presents its recommendations only at the end of the hearing. In both France and Germany the investigating magistrate will recommend a trial only if he is sure that there is sufficient evidence of guilt. The entire dossier of the pretrial proceedings is made available to the defense.

This is correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 10:03:56 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
Its not even reached a court. I feel your pain.

he hasnt been charged...and thats why no Judge/magistrate will be involved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
Its not even reached a court. I feel your pain.

I'm off for a Large Gin.  Back soon.  I hope.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:08:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 10:03:56 AM
he hasnt been charged...and thats why no Judge/magistrate will be involved

We know that.  Now you are splitting hairs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 18, 2020, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 10:00:15 AM
judge ..magistate ...makes no difference. Please dont tell me im misunderstanding anything...its gertrude who doesnt understand. Questioning of suspects is carried out by police

The police gather the evidence, but they don't decide if there's a case to prosecute. In England the CPS decide by examining the evidence. In other countries the decision is ultimately taken by a magistrate and in addition to looking at the evidence a hearing is held when the witnesses and accused can be questioned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 10:12:14 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 09:51:51 AM
The  idea that every suspect who fails to attend for  a voluntary interview is brought before a court to be questioned by the court is totally ridiculous. Furthermore...no suspect can be forced to answer questions...its part of the ECHR

I never said they don't have a right to silence, or it was 'every suspect' not sure where you got that from....

If the suspect refuses the 1st questioning  ( by police), the judge at the pre-trial phase can conduct the first questioning.
 Therefore the 1st questioning can occur at the pre-trial stage when the suspect has been charged.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 10:14:46 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:08:15 AM
We know that.  Now you are splitting hairs.

I'm aafraid you dont seem to understand either...Breukner does not have to answer any questions...the initial questioning is carried out by police
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:16:41 AM
Judge d'Instruction, German Translation.  Richterin.

Richterin, English Translation.  Judge.

There appears to be a bit of an anomaly here.  Or something has been lost in translation.  What a surprise.

Off for another Large Gin.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 10:12:14 AM
I never said they don't have a right to silence, or it was 'every suspect' not sure where you got that from....

If the suspect refuses the 1st questioning  ( by police), the judge at the pre-trial phase can conduct the first questioning.
 Therefore the 1st questioning can occur at the pre-trial stage when the suspect has been charged.
 

I see you have now corrected yourself...backtracked and moved the goal posts. When will the pre trial phase start seeing as Breukner has not been charged and according to many there is little prospect of atrial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:19:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 10:14:46 AM
I'm aafraid you dont seem to understand either...Breukner does not have to answer any questions...the initial questioning is carried out by police

We know that as well.  At least I think we do.  Do we?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
I wonder if in this case,evidence has been presented to a judge and he/she has said yes we have a case but more evidence needs to be gathered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 10:27:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
I see you have now corrected yourself...backtracked and moved the goal posts. When will the pre trial phase start seeing as Breukner has not been charged and according to many there is little prospect of atrial

I have never backtracked. The pre-trial phase can still be the suspects first interrogation, I have never said otherwise. You have been insisting the judge can't play a role in the investigation, which I've been trying to show you is wrong.

Speaking of backtracking; this is you a few pages back

''the Judge examines the evidence and decides if it goes to trail but does not get involved in building the case...and questioning witnesses and suspects.'
 
In reality.....

'Judges play a more active role in criminal proceedings, according to the principle of official investigation (section 244, German Code of Penal Process (Strafprozessordnung)). Judges interrogate the accused, call and interrogate witnesses and examine other evidence'

https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-007-7132?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&bhcp=1 (https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-007-7132?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&bhcp=1)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
I see you have now corrected yourself...backtracked and moved the goal posts. When will the pre trial phase start seeing as Breukner has not been charged and according to many there is little prospect of atrial

We don't know that.  It depends on whether or not they have got anything on him, which is looking increasingly unlikely to me.

We had better all start learning German fast, so we can have a punch up over every mistranslated word.

The best thing he can do is to keep his mouth shut and not answer the famous 48 Questions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:30:54 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
I wonder if in this case,evidence has been presented to a judge and he/she has said yes we have a case but more evidence needs to be gathered.

This is possible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 18, 2020, 10:35:55 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 09:37:26 AM
Gertrude is basically not wrong.

In France this person is called a Judge d'Instruction.  ie, an Examining Magistrate.  I don't know what the title is in Germany.  He decides if the case will go to trial.

A bit like the the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in England and Wales, headed by the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) who decides if there is enough evidence to prosecute ???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 18, 2020, 10:35:55 AM
A bit like the the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in England and Wales, headed by the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) who decides if there is enough evidence to prosecute ???

More like a Magistrates Court, except that English Magistrates don't question The Accused.  And nor do The Crown Prosecution Service.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 18, 2020, 10:54:24 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
More like a Magistrates Court, except that English Magistrates don't question The Accused.  And nor do The Crown Prosecution Service.

Thanks Eleanor.  All this is nipping my head.

What I am appreciating about this is that (a) the newspapers are reporting rubbish ... and (b) their readers are latching onto this and being quite critical about it all.
But most of all the primacy of "Innocent 'till Proven Guilty" has finally been recognised even in relation to a criminal already found guilty of heinous crimes.

What a tragedy all this seems to have been overlooked thirteen years ago and day and daily ever since in relation to innocent people who unlike Herr Bruekner have had their right to the Presumption of Innocence trampled in the dust.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 18, 2020, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 18, 2020, 10:54:24 AM
Thanks Eleanor.  All this is nipping my head.

What I am appreciating about this is that (a) the newspapers are reporting rubbish ... and (b) their readers are latching onto this and being quite critical about it all.
But most of all the primacy of "Innocent 'till Proven Guilty" has finally been recognised even in relation to a criminal already found guilty of heinous crimes.

What a tragedy all this seems to have been overlooked thirteen years ago and day and daily ever since in relation to innocent people who unlike Herr Bruekner have had their right to the Presumption of Innocence trampled in the dust.

Innocent until proven guilty is a legal construct. Thankfully the law doesn’t stop you from having an opinion.

Genuine question....do you still think the German police have their finger on the pulse of what happened to Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 11:27:40 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:19:09 AM
We know that as well.  At least I think we do.  Do we?

We know for a fact Breukner does not have to answer any questions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 11:33:32 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:29:33 AM
We don't know that.  It depends on whether or not they have got anything on him, which is looking increasingly unlikely to me.

We had better all start learning German fast, so we can have a punch up over every mistranslated word.

The best thing he can do is to keep his mouth shut and not answer the famous 48 Questions.

I said according to many there is little prospect of a trial.. I'm the one who is saying we don't know. 
Breukner had no reason to answer any questions and may simply exercise his right to silence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 11:42:43 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
More like a Magistrates Court, except that English Magistrates don't question The Accused.  And nor do The Crown Prosecution Service.

breukner hasn't been accused of anything... That's the whole point... He's a suspect... That's all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 18, 2020, 10:11:32 AM
The police gather the evidence, but they don't decide if there's a case to prosecute. In England the CPS decide by examining the evidence. In other countries the decision is ultimately taken by a magistrate and in addition to looking at the evidence a hearing is held when the witnesses and accused can be questioned.

That's precisely the point I've made.  The initial questioning is carried out by the police not a judge or magistrate
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 12:05:03 PM
The question is, who instigated the line that this German is maybe of interest ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 12:07:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 12:05:03 PM
The question is, who instigated the line that this German is maybe of interest ?

And on precisely what basis has he been mace a suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 18, 2020, 10:54:24 AM
Thanks Eleanor.  All this is nipping my head.

What I am appreciating about this is that (a) the newspapers are reporting rubbish ... and (b) their readers are latching onto this and being quite critical about it all.
But most of all the primacy of "Innocent 'till Proven Guilty" has finally been recognised even in relation to a criminal already found guilty of heinous crimes.

What a tragedy all this seems to have been overlooked thirteen years ago and day and daily ever since in relation to innocent people who unlike Herr Bruekner have had their right to the Presumption of Innocence trampled in the dust.

Yes.  But it was bound to happen.  We just didn't know when.  And so it has been a slightly hard road sometimes.

Best now that we all stick to what we have always believed in, which undoubtedly we will.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 18, 2020, 11:25:43 AM
Innocent until proven guilty is a legal construct. Thankfully the law doesn’t stop you from having an opinion.

Genuine question....do you still think the German police have their finger on the pulse of what happened to Madeleine?

Sorry for interrupting.  Not a chance.  This is all about a possibly incorrect Extradition on another Charge that then gave The Germans some misbegotten right.

This won't do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 11:27:40 AM
We know for a fact Breukner does not have to answer any questions

Absolutely Correct.  Whatever the system.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 11:33:32 AM
I said according to many there is little prospect of a trial.. I'm the one who is saying we don't know. 
Breukner had no reason to answer any questions and may simply exercise his right to silence

You are right about that.  But please don't give Gertrude a hard time when he was only trying to explain the differences between Adversarial and Inquisitorial Law.  Which I appear to know a bit more about than you do.

God forbid, who needs it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 12:56:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 11:42:43 AM
breukner hasn't been accused of anything... That's the whole point... He's a suspect... That's all

Some of us do know this.  To me, the whole discussion has been about Bruckner's Right to Innocence.  With which I concur.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 01:04:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 12:05:03 PM
The question is, who instigated the line that this German is maybe of interest ?

The Germans.  And they've got him.  I wouldn't say much for Bruckner's chances of getting out anytime soon. 

Nor would I say much for the chances of convicting him on The Abduction of Madeleine Mccann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 18, 2020, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 01:04:26 PM
The Germans.  And they've got him.  I wouldn't say much for Bruckner's chances of getting out anytime soon. 

Nor would I say much for the chances of convicting him on The Abduction of Madeleine Mccann.

I agree.

It will be pretty difficult to charge him for something that didn't happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 12:53:05 PM
You are right about that.  But please don't give Gertrude a hard time when he was only trying to explain the differences between Adversarial and Inquisitorial Law.  Which I appear to know a bit more about than you do.

God forbid, who needs it?

If Gertrude wants to tell me I don't understand things and if I disagree with her point I'm just being silly... Then I need to explain to her what my opinion is based on. I don't think you do know more about it than I do... It's not rocket science
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 01:25:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 01:04:26 PM
The Germans.  And they've got him.  I wouldn't say much for Bruckner's chances of getting out anytime soon. 

Nor would I say much for the chances of convicting him on The Abduction of Madeleine Mccann.

Ok so they've got him, they surely just didn't throw Madeleine's name in the mix and thought hey up he's ours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 10:27:53 AM
I have never backtracked. The pre-trial phase can still be the suspects first interrogation, I have never said otherwise. You have been insisting the judge can't play a role in the investigation, which I've been trying to show you is wrong.

Speaking of backtracking; this is you a few pages back

''the Judge examines the evidence and decides if it goes to trail but does not get involved in building the case...and questioning witnesses and suspects.'
 
In reality.....

'Judges play a more active role in criminal proceedings, according to the principle of official investigation (section 244, German Code of Penal Process (Strafprozessordnung)). Judges interrogate the accused, call and interrogate witnesses and examine other evidence'

https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-007-7132?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&bhcp=1 (https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-007-7132?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&bhcp=1)

I actually think you are making things up as you go along. I don't see any situation where a judge would be the first person to question a suspect...thats ridiculous

I have never said  a judge doesnt paly arole in the investigation...just that the suspect would be questioned by the police first.

What you are doing is raeding and quoting factual imnformation...then putting your own intepretation on it and thinking that is fact too.

i dont think you understand what is meant by pretrial....We are nowhere near the pretrial phase in this investigation....it hasnt even been decided there will be  a trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 18, 2020, 01:09:35 PM
I agree.

It will be pretty difficult to charge him for something that didn't happen.

For God's sake could you say something sensible for a change?  Probably not.  Who cares anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 02:25:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 01:20:43 PM
If Gertrude wants to tell me I don't understand things and if I disagree with her point I'm just being silly... Then I need to explain to her what my opinion is based on. I don't think you do know more about it than I do... It's not rocket science

I didn't say that you are being silly.  I have great respect for your opinions.  But I am not having Gertrude bullied anymore than I will have you being bullied.

However, it has never crossed my mind to Delete anything that either of you have said.  I thought that this was a good discussion.  And I have enjoyed it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 01:25:20 PM
Ok so they've got him, they surely just didn't throw Madeleine's name in the mix and thought hey up he's ours.
.

They might have done.  I don't know.  The Germans aren't looking any better than The Portuguese at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 02:25:39 PM
I didn't say that you are being silly.  I have great respect for your opinions.  But I am not having Gertrude bullied anymore than I will have you being bullied.

However, it has never crossed my mind to Delete anything that either of you have said.  I thought that this was a good discussion.  And I have enjoyed it.

Thats ok it was Gertrude who accused me of being silly....Im quite thick skinned so not bothered
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 02:40:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 01:20:43 PM
If Gertrude wants to tell me I don't understand things and if I disagree with her point I'm just being silly... Then I need to explain to her what my opinion is based on. I don't think you do know more about it than I do... It's not rocket science


So you are the font of all knowledge?  I actually live within an Inquisitorial System and I have come across a few things that I needed to make sense of.

Actually, I am really surprised that you don't understand.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 18, 2020, 02:44:09 PM
Fictional, but watching a few episodes of Spiral might be educational.  8)-)))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
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They might have done.  I don't know.  The Germans aren't looking any better than The Portuguese at the moment.

Stuck in the middle is our lot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 03:04:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 02:34:13 PM
Thats ok it was Gertrude who accused me of being silly....Im quite thick skinned so not bothered
.

No one that I know is really bothered.  I am just a bit thrown by the hypocrisy.  But there you go.  Some of us saw this coming.

If you want my opinion then The Germans haven't got a hope in hell's chance.  If Madeleine is dead then she has been dead for thirteen years, much as I would prefer to think otherwise.  I only have hope, you see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 03:07:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 02:40:33 PM


So you are the font of all knowledge?  I actually live within an Inquisitorial System and I have come across a few things that I needed to make sense of.

Actually, I am really surprised that you don't understand.

I do understand... The judge /magistrates do not get involved with the suspects untill the pre-trial stage.. It's Gertrude who seems to think the judge will be questioning Breukner
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 03:32:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
Stuck in the middle is our lot.

Well, none of us actually know.  I go on hoping.  This is my lot.  I was born hoping.  Was I not lucky.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 04:27:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 03:04:42 PM
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No one that I know is really bothered.  I am just a bit thrown by the hypocrisy.  But there you go.  Some of us saw this coming.

If you want my opinion then The Germans haven't got a hope in hell's chance.  If Madeleine is dead then she has been dead for thirteen years, much as I would prefer to think otherwise.  I only have hope, you see.

Refreshingly honest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 07:35:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 03:07:54 PM
I do understand... The judge /magistrates do not get involved with the suspects untill the pre-trial stage.. It's Gertrude who seems to think the judge will be questioning Breukner

This is one of my original posts way back that you responded to,

'The police can not force you to attend questioning in Germany, they can request and you can refuse. Only a court summons in enforceable and then you would be up in front of a judge ( which is still a pre-trial phase) and you need to be charged for that '

Pages later you have twisted this and claim I don't understand the questioning by a judge happens at pre-trial So you're actually repeating things I have said and then claiming I don't understand them?!

What I've said from the start ( and backed up)  is that a suspect can refuse to attend police questioning. so the first instance of questioning can happen when they are put before a judge.

I'm leaving it there now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 07:44:01 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 18, 2020, 07:35:05 PM
This is one of my original posts way back that you responded to,

'The police can not force you to attend questioning in Germany, they can request and you can refuse. Only a court summons in enforceable and then you would be up in front of a judge ( which is still a pre-trial phase) and you need to be charged for that '

Pages later you have twisted this and claim I don't understand the questioning by a judge happens at pre-trial So you're actually repeating things I have said and then claiming I don't understand them?!

What I've said from the start ( and backed up)  is that a suspect can refuse to attend police questioning. so the first instance of questioning can happen when they are put before a judge.

I'm leaving it there now.

i have twisted nothing....if you want to make accusations like that you should back them up with facts such as where is that post ive highlighted in red ,.. i like to see the exact post you claim ive twisted. What Ive said was...and its  a fact...is that the initial investigation is carried out by the police. If a suspect refuses to answer questions no one can force him...not even the judge...that is also a fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 18, 2020, 07:52:24 PM
I don’t follow this case but what I’ve read about Christian Brueckner, including his MO; plus the evidence that he was close to the apartment when Maddie disappeared; I’m convinced he took her.

I also believe the German police know much, much more than they’re revealing. Unlike the incompetent Portuguese police the German police aren’t going to lay all their cards on the table, and I believe they know he killed her but they can’t say how they know that, for obvious reasons. They even know HOW he killed her.

It sounds like he’s a serial killer (they even found child’s swimsuits in his motor home), plus thousands of pictures of child pornography he’d hidden on a fob beneath his dead dog he’d buried (he’s so cunning).

A young boy who was horrifically murdered, and who the police suspect CB was the murderer after witnesses came forward and a photofit of him was drawn up and is almost like a portrait chalk drawing of him.

Guarantee they’ll charge him in time.

https://mol.im/a/8426061

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 07:57:38 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 18, 2020, 07:52:24 PM
I don’t follow this case but what I’ve read about Christian Brueckner, including his MO; plus the evidence that he was close to the apartment when Maddie disappeared; I’m convinced he took her.

I also believe the German police know much, much more than they’re revealing. Unlike the incompetent Portuguese police the German police aren’t going to lay all their cards on the table, and I believe they know he killed her but they can’t say how they know that, for obvious reasons. They even know HOW he killed her.

It sounds like he’s a serial killer (they even found child’s swimsuits in his motor home), plus thousands of pictures of child pornography he’d hidden on a fob beneath his dead dog he’d buried (he’s so cunning).

A young boy who was horrifically murdered, and who the police suspect CB was the murderer after witnesses came forward and a photofit of him was drawn up and is almost like a portrait chalk drawing of him.

Guarantee they’ll charge him in time.

https://mol.im/a/8426061

i think its highly probable he is involved given his track record ...we will have to wait and see exactly what evidence the Germans have. They are certainly making alot of noise if they have no evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 18, 2020, 07:52:24 PM
I don’t follow this case but what I’ve read about Christian Brueckner, including his MO; plus the evidence that he was close to the apartment when Maddie disappeared; I’m convinced he took her.

I also believe the German police know much, much more than they’re revealing. Unlike the incompetent Portuguese police the German police aren’t going to lay all their cards on the table, and I believe they know he killed her but they can’t say how they know that, for obvious reasons. They even know HOW he killed her.

It sounds like he’s a serial killer (they even found child’s swimsuits in his motor home), plus thousands of pictures of child pornography he’d hidden on a fob beneath his dead dog he’d buried (he’s so cunning).

A young boy who was horrifically murdered, and who the police suspect CB was the murderer after witnesses came forward and a photofit of him was drawn up and is almost like a portrait chalk drawing of him.

Guarantee they’ll charge him in time.

https://mol.im/a/8426061
AFAIAC you are very welcome on this board and have every right to share your opinions...not sure why its being suggested you are not
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 08:08:34 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 18, 2020, 07:52:24 PM
I don’t follow this case but what I’ve read about Christian Brueckner, including his MO; plus the evidence that he was close to the apartment when Maddie disappeared; I’m convinced he took her.

I also believe the German police know much, much more than they’re revealing. Unlike the incompetent Portuguese police the German police aren’t going to lay all their cards on the table, and I believe they know he killed her but they can’t say how they know that, for obvious reasons. They even know HOW he killed her.

It sounds like he’s a serial killer (they even found child’s swimsuits in his motor home), plus thousands of pictures of child pornography he’d hidden on a fob beneath his dead dog he’d buried (he’s so cunning).

A young boy who was horrifically murdered, and who the police suspect CB was the murderer after witnesses came forward and a photofit of him was drawn up and is almost like a portrait chalk drawing of him.

Guarantee they’ll charge him in time.

https://mol.im/a/8426061

A phone was activated in the area, how large the area is, is open to debate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 08:08:34 PM
A phone was activated in the area, how large the area is, is open to debate.

looking at the phone masts its about 2 miles radius ...if the information is accurate
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 08:11:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 08:09:43 PM
looking at the phone masts its about 2 miles radius ...if the information is accurate


6 yrs ago because of phones call's a well publicised exercise to place, look where that led, phones calls mean jack.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 18, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 08:11:18 PM

6 yrs ago because of phones call's a well publicised exercise to place, look where that led, phones calls mean jack.

we will see...it places his phone in Luz that night. if they can trace who he spoke to it might place him in luz that night. i suggest everyone in Luz rembers that night so who did he meet...what was he doing in Luz that night. interesting questions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 08:20:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 08:08:34 PM
A phone was activated in the area, how large the area is, is open to debate.

Well, well. Not very far.  Really close to Luz, in fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 18, 2020, 10:28:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
we will see...it places his phone in Luz that night. if they can trace who he spoke to it might place him in luz that night. i suggest everyone in Luz rembers that night so who did he meet...what was he doing in Luz that night. interesting questions

I think something else is important here. If CB, for example, when questioned about Madeleine's case back in 2013 said he wasn't there but his phone places him in PDL then he is not telling the truth and then the question is why......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 18, 2020, 10:28:31 PM
I think something else is important here. If CB, for example, when questioned about Madeleine's case back in 2013 said he wasn't there but his phone places him in PDL then he is not telling the truth and then the question is why......

Not that simple.  Prove that he was actually using the Phone himself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 18, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 11:18:10 PM
Not that simple.  Prove that he was actually using the Phone himself.

This is for the other caller to say. And this is why the police published the both numbers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 11:36:58 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 18, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
This is for the other caller to say. And this is why the police published the both numbers.

Okay.  Who was the other one?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 18, 2020, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 11:36:58 PM
Okay.  Who was the other one?

He was named in Portuguese press. Diogo Silva. He might have worked for Ocean Club but it was underlined that the guy is not a suspect in any way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 18, 2020, 11:50:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
AFAIAC you are very welcome on this board and have every right to share your opinions...not sure why its being suggested you are not

Thank you, Dave

I’ve been posting on the mass murderer Jeremy Bamber’s thread, and on there I’ve noticed that those who like to delude themselves into believing he’s innocent get extremely cross when you remind them of the facts. Very odd 🥺
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 18, 2020, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 18, 2020, 08:08:34 PM
A phone was activated in the area, how large the area is, is open to debate.


It was within the vicinity — so close enough
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 18, 2020, 11:59:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 18, 2020, 08:09:43 PM
looking at the phone masts its about 2 miles radius ...if the information is accurate


And the call CB took care from a phone belonging to one of the staff at the complex...I think that’s correct.

It also lasted half an hour, which in my experience is rare for men. They don’t usually do “chit chat”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 12:12:17 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 18, 2020, 10:28:31 PM
I think something else is important here. If CB, for example, when questioned about Madeleine's case back in 2013 said he wasn't there but his phone places him in PDL then he is not telling the truth and then the question is why......

Exactly.

Liars only lie because they’re hiding something

Have you seen the photographs of the little girls swimsuits the German police found in his motor home?

He’s obviously a paedophile, and he’s a convicted rapist. He’s an abuser of women, beat his girlfriends around, chained the 72-year-old widow as he was raping her.

He was a professional burglar and thief.

Transported drugs, apparently

And what on Earth was his interest with Portugal?  And why rush back to Germany soon after Maddie disappeared? Why reregister his car into someone else’s name the very day after Maddie vanished? Why tell his friend (when he was possibly half cut in a bar) that he knew what happened to Madeleine? Why proceed to show him the video of him raping the older woman?

I strongly suspect he showed that man videos of Madeleine too.

He ticks each and every box.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 12:13:43 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 11:18:10 PM
Not that simple.  Prove that he was actually using the Phone himself.

Oh, that old chestnut...

Doesn’t wash, Im afraid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 12:15:17 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 18, 2020, 11:36:58 PM
Okay.  Who was the other one?

They’ve named him.

Haven’t you been reading the papers?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 12:17:35 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 18, 2020, 11:43:45 PM
He was named in Portuguese press. Diogo Silva. He might have worked for Ocean Club but it was underlined that the guy is not a suspect in any way.


Yes, that’s right.

But he may be one of those gullible, naive types...

CB is very, very cunning. Intimidating too.

He possibly forced information out of him in a sly way...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 19, 2020, 01:05:05 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 18, 2020, 11:59:52 PM

And the call CB took care from a phone belonging to one of the staff at the complex...I think that’s correct.

It also lasted half an hour, which in my experience is rare for men. They don’t usually do “chit chat”

AFAIK he person who called CB from outside Luz at 7.32pm has not yet been formally identified in the media. Sources said the phone wasn't registered to Diogo S in 2007.
IMO CB's phone number was traced using source data on the memory stick(s) found buried at one of his properties in Germany. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418479/Christian-Brueckner-identified-suspect-McCann-case-Mets-call-log-breakthrough.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 01:46:55 AM
Quote from: misty on June 19, 2020, 01:05:05 AM
AFAIK he person who called CB from outside Luz at 7.32pm has not yet been formally identified in the media. Sources said the phone wasn't registered to Diogo S in 2007.
IMO CB's phone number was traced using source data on the memory stick(s) found buried at one of his properties in Germany. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418479/Christian-Brueckner-identified-suspect-McCann-case-Mets-call-log-breakthrough.html

He has been named

I’ll find it for you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 19, 2020, 06:07:34 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 19, 2020, 12:15:17 AM
They’ve named him.

Haven’t you been reading the papers?
So You trust the British media as lead investigators.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 19, 2020, 06:19:58 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 18, 2020, 11:52:55 PM

It was within the vicinity — so close enough
That makes it suspicious? Familiarise yourself with the events of 2014,it'll show phone data can be miscrued.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 19, 2020, 06:25:36 AM
There was I, thinking Wolters' letter had got lost in the post...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 19, 2020, 06:34:31 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 19, 2020, 06:25:36 AM
There was I, thinking Wolters' letter had got lost in the post...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html)

Wonder who decided on this little snippet.

It comes amid a disjointed probe between forces in UK, Germany and Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 19, 2020, 07:16:21 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 19, 2020, 06:19:58 AM
That makes it suspicious? Familiarise yourself with the events of 2014,it'll show phone data can be miscrued.
No, it’s obviously just a massive coincidence that the night a young girl goes missing from her holiday apartment is also the night a known burglar, rapist  and paedophile happens to be in the near vicinity.  Nothing to see here, it was obviously the parents what dunnit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 19, 2020, 07:54:02 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 19, 2020, 12:12:17 AM
Exactly.

Liars only lie because they’re hiding something

Have you seen the photographs of the little girls swimsuits the German police found in his motor home?

He’s obviously a paedophile, and he’s a convicted rapist. He’s an abuser of women, beat his girlfriends around, chained the 72-year-old widow as he was raping her.

He was a professional burglar and thief.

Transported drugs, apparently

And what on Earth was his interest with Portugal?  And why rush back to Germany soon after Maddie disappeared? Why reregister his car into someone else’s name the very day after Maddie vanished? Why tell his friend (when he was possibly half cut in a bar) that he knew what happened to Madeleine? Why proceed to show him the video of him raping the older woman?

I strongly suspect he showed that man videos of Madeleine too.

He ticks each and every box.


So you've seen all that as concrete evidence against him have you - or is it some random newspaper report.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 19, 2020, 07:54:25 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 19, 2020, 06:25:36 AM
There was I, thinking Wolters' letter had got lost in the post...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html)

Brings back memories of the Gaspar statement that the British Police were slow to share with their Portugeuse counterparts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 19, 2020, 08:08:11 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 19, 2020, 07:16:21 AM
No, it’s obviously just a massive coincidence that the night a young girl goes missing from her holiday apartment is also the night a known burglar, rapist  and paedophile happens to be in the near vicinity.  Nothing to see here, it was obviously the parents what dunnit.

i think its highly probable based on the evidence...his past proven criminal record....his association with LUZ...that CB is involved in Maddies disappearance. Mods note my claim is not libellous ..i'm happy to explain the laws of libel if necessary....but it seems some posters here are suddenly concerned with human rights...CBs human rights, and are suddenly not supporting free speech. strange isnt it


a statement is not libellous if its given as opinion and there is reasonable evidence to support that opinion...quote..

All opinions that rely on underlying facts, however, are not necessarily outside the opinion privilege. If you state the facts on which you are basing your opinion, and the opinion you state could be reasonably drawn from those truthful facts, you will be protected even if your opinion turns out to be incorrect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 19, 2020, 08:12:28 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 18, 2020, 11:50:38 PM
Thank you, Dave

I’ve been posting on the mass murderer Jeremy Bamber’s thread, and on there I’ve noticed that those who like to delude themselves into believing he’s innocent get extremely cross when you remind them of the facts. Very odd 🥺

Again welcome...ignore the bullying there are those who will try to drive you off the forum by insulting you...just ignore them and keep giving your opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 19, 2020, 08:14:44 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 19, 2020, 07:54:25 AM
Brings back memories of the Gaspar statement that the British Police were slow to share with their Portugeuse counterparts.

why do you think the gaspar statements were important
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 19, 2020, 08:20:39 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on June 18, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
This is for the other caller to say. And this is why the police published the both numbers.

That's quite likely to have been one of the reasons, IMO. But also to be able to check with those who had had contact with him as to any useful details they may have to take the case forward, or not, as the case may be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 19, 2020, 08:23:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2020, 08:14:44 AM
why do you think the gaspar statements were important
Isn’t it strange the huge significance ascribed to the Gaspar statement, yet the same people are happy to gloss over CB’s actual child sex abuse and minimise it at every opportunity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 19, 2020, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 19, 2020, 08:23:05 AM
Isn’t it strange the huge significance ascribed to the Gaspar statement, yet the same people are happy to gloss over CB’s child sex abuse and minimise it at every opportunity.

Very telling...and as I've said CBs human rights...the suppression of free speech ......all seem to be suddenly important. I think hes almost certainly involved...based on the evidence i've already stated
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 08:42:58 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 19, 2020, 06:25:36 AM
There was I, thinking Wolters' letter had got lost in the post...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html)

Does anyone seriously believe any police force/officer anywhere would be so heartless as to just send out a letter to parents telling them their child is dead?  Ridiculous. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 19, 2020, 09:07:29 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 08:42:58 AM
Does anyone seriously believe any police force/officer anywhere would be so heartless as to just send out a letter to parents telling them their child is dead?  Ridiculous.

They didn't send it to the parents though did they? The reports ( if to be believed), are saying one was sent on the third of June to inform them it was being treated by the Germans as a murder investigation.

 So the German police are liaising with UK police and not revealing any evidence to the parents it would seem based on that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 19, 2020, 09:12:20 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 18, 2020, 11:52:55 PM

It was within the vicinity — so close enough

According to the mast map that Misty posted yesterday, the LUz mast had a radius range of 5Km.
That is an area of upwards of 75 sq Km, so by my reckoning Brueckner's phone might have been anywhere with that area.
If it also pinged with the second Luz mast which is the west, then that would narrow the area down somewhat, but still quite sizable .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 19, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 19, 2020, 06:19:58 AM
That makes it suspicious? Familiarise yourself with the events of 2014,it'll show phone data can be miscrued.

I have no idea what the 'events of 2014' to which you refer are.  But don't you think that since the German prime suspect appeared on police radars (but not the public domain) in connection with Madeleine's case in 2013, he and the events of 2014 might also be connected ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 19, 2020, 09:26:12 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 19, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
I have no idea what the 'events of 2014' to which you refer are.  But don't you think that since the German prime suspect appeared on police radars (but not the public domain) in connection with Madeleine's case in 2013, he and the events of 2014 might also be connected ?

Yet the lead investigators the brit press haven't made a connection, maybe because there isn't one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 19, 2020, 09:26:36 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 19, 2020, 09:07:29 AM
They didn't send it to the parents though did they? The reports ( if to be believed), are saying one was sent on the third of June to inform them it was being treated by the Germans as a murder investigation.

 So the German police are liaising with UK police and not revealing any evidence to the parents it would seem based on that.


Only a newspaper report - but what the hell is going on.

MADELEINE McCann’s parents have been sent two letters by German cops — but bungling British police have failed to pass them on.

The first, saying they were treating their daughter’s disappearance as murder after finding new evidence, was dispatched at the end of May.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11900071/madeline-mcann-cops-letters-bungle/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 19, 2020, 09:29:50 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 08:42:58 AM
Does anyone seriously believe any police force/officer anywhere would be so heartless as to just send out a letter to parents telling them their child is dead?  Ridiculous.


Do you think then that they would just leave it to let them read it in a newspaper, or on the news


IMO it because SY just doesn't know what they are doing half the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 19, 2020, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2020, 08:12:28 AM
Again welcome...ignore the bullying there are those who will try to drive you off the forum by insulting you...just ignore them and keep giving your opinion


Oh, the Irony - would you be saying that if he didn't believe the abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 19, 2020, 09:29:50 AM

Do you think then that they would just leave it to let them read it in a newspaper, or on the news


IMO it because SY just doesn't know what they are doing half the time.

The McCanns were briefed by the MET prior to the recent press releases. 

http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826

The rest is BS created by hacks to maintain/increase circulation and advertising revenue and ultimately to keep them in a job.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 09:38:36 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 19, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
I have no idea what the 'events of 2014' to which you refer are.  But don't you think that since the German prime suspect appeared on police radars (but not the public domain) in connection with Madeleine's case in 2013, he and the events of 2014 might also be connected ?

What FACTS are known about this character? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 19, 2020, 09:42:38 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 09:38:36 AM
What FACTS are known about this character?

His criminal record for one... Then we have l the statements by people who knew him

A record of burglary and paedophilia...and he lived nearby... I think thst says, a lot.  We need to wait and see if there is anymore evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2020, 09:42:38 AM
His criminal record for one... Then we have l the statements by people who knew him

A record of burglary and paedophilia...and he lived nearby... I think thst says, a lot.  We need to wait and see if there is anymore evidence

Please provide the evidence to support your assertions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 19, 2020, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 09:48:40 AM
Please provide the evidence to support your assertions.

Have you not followed the case.. Raoe of  72 yr old... Sexual abuse of minors when he was, 17..a computer memory stick full of child porn... Little girls swimsuits in his camper van.. statements by his ex girlfriends and friends..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 19, 2020, 10:07:07 AM
So now it's the Mets turn at 'Bungling' according to The Daily Mail!

'Bungling London police FAILED to forward two letters to Maddie McCann's parents that German investigators sent care of Scotland Yard revealing their daughter's case was being treated as murder
Kate and Gerry McCann rubbished claims they'd been sent notes by authorities
German prosecutor says they went to Scotland Yard, who failed to pass them on
It comes amid a disjointed probe between forces in UK, Germany and Portugal '

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html?ito=social-facebook

 I'll warrant the McCanns were informed the German investigation was being classed as a homicide and that's it.
The UK press seem convinced there were actual letters put in the post with a stamp on them by Hans Wolter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2020, 09:53:07 AM
Have you not followed the case.. Raoe of  72 yr old... Sexual abuse of minors when he was, 17..a computer memory stick full of child porn... Little girls swimsuits in his camper van.. statements by his ex girlfriends and friends..

Evidence Davel not tabloid fodder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 19, 2020, 10:09:22 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2020, 09:53:07 AM
Have you not followed the case.. Raoe of  72 yr old... Sexual abuse of minors when he was, 17..a computer memory stick full of child porn... Little girls swimsuits in his camper van.. statements by his ex girlfriends and friends..
Not to worry... Holly's just a teeny bit sore that OG have tossed her ludicrous theory in the waste bin where it belongs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 19, 2020, 10:11:28 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
Evidence Davel not tabloid fodder.
Tabloid fodder?!!!  It's all sourced from the BKA!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 19, 2020, 10:22:34 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
Evidence Davel not tabloid fodder.
A criminal record is not tabloid fodder. You can ignore all the evidence if you wish as it doesn't fit with your theory but don't ever rely in anything in the papers again.  It seems to me you are in total denial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 19, 2020, 10:22:42 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 19, 2020, 10:11:28 AM
Tabloid fodder?!!!  It's all sourced from the BKA!

If there was evidence to link him to Madeleine's disappearance do you think  there'd be such a ooh ah about him, no I'd venture charges would have been laid. Past crimes does not make him guilty or complicit in the McCann case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 19, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 19, 2020, 10:22:42 AM
If there was evidence to link him to Madeleine's disappearance do you think  there'd be such a ooh ah about him, no I'd venture charges would have been laid. Past crimes does not make him guilty or complicit in the McCann case.

There could be evidence but not enough...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2020, 10:22:34 AM
A criminal record is not tabloid fodder. You can ignore all the evidence if you wish as it doesn't fit with your theory but don't ever rely in anything in the papers again.  It seemsvto me you are in total denial

Please provide a reliable source for a CB supposedly under investigation over the disappearance of MM having a criminal record eg:
 
https://ecris.eu/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 19, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 10:28:57 AM
Please provide a reliable source for a CB supposedly under investigation over the disappearance of MM having a criminal record eg:
 
https://ecris.eu/

If he's serving s prison sentence that must be a clue.  If you don't want to accept what is clearly the truth it doesn't bother me.. I'm not interested
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 19, 2020, 10:34:52 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
There could be evidence but not enough...

If there is evidence it was there at the start.All the appeals including the 2013 crimewatch which was shown in Germany never manged to elicit anything on the not officially named German !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 10:36:27 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 19, 2020, 10:11:28 AM
Tabloid fodder?!!!  It's all sourced from the BKA!

Official press release from MET

http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826

Neither the Met or BKA identified a CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 19, 2020, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 09:35:49 AM
The McCanns were briefed by the MET prior to the recent press releases. 

http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826

The rest is BS created by hacks to maintain/increase circulation and advertising revenue and ultimately to keep them in a job.

So why then did they say it was false - then if they already knew about it.


The parents of Madeleine McCann say reports they have received a letter from German authorities stating that Madeleine is dead are "false".

In a statement, Kate and Gerry McCann said the "unsubstantiated stories" had "caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives".

"The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE," they wrote.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 19, 2020, 10:49:51 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 19, 2020, 10:34:52 AM
If there is evidence it was there at the start.All the appeals including the 2013 crimewatch which was shown in Germany never manged to elicit anything on the not officially named German !

ETA .

Madeleine McCann appeal to air in Germany and Netherlands

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/15/madeleine-mccann-appeal-germany-netherlands-kidnapping
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 19, 2020, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
There could be evidence but not enough...


Mmmm possible - there are people still walking the streets who have done something but not enough evidence to prove it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 19, 2020, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 19, 2020, 10:49:51 AM
ETA .

Madeleine McCann appeal to air in Germany and Netherlands

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/15/madeleine-mccann-appeal-germany-netherlands-kidnapping

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 02:01:18 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 19, 2020, 10:09:22 AM
Not to worry... Holly's just a teeny bit sore that OG have tossed her ludicrous theory in the waste bin where it belongs.

How do you know what they did with it?

You Mr Myster seem unable to get your head round the fact that seemingly 'nice' middle class, middle aged people unknown to the authorities are capable of perpetuating acts of crime.

You've seized on this individual put out there by the tabloids because he's a single male with we are told a string of convictions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 19, 2020, 04:37:12 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 02:01:18 PM
How do you know what they did with it?

You Mr Myster seem unable to get your head round the fact that seemingly 'nice' middle class, middle aged people unknown to the authorities are capable of perpetuating acts of crime.

You've seized on this individual put out there by the tabloids because he's a single male with we are told a string of convictions.
What are you suggesting?  That this man doesn’t really exist?  A bit like some people doubt that Lee Rigby ever existed?  That it’s all a huge media driven conspiracy to deflect from the fact that a nice middle aged English couple did it? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 19, 2020, 05:08:48 PM
 https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-van-destroyed-22219668
Another van linked to Brückner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 19, 2020, 06:04:22 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 02:01:18 PM
How do you know what they did with it?

You Mr Myster seem unable to get your head round the fact that seemingly 'nice' middle class, middle aged people unknown to the authorities are capable of perpetuating acts of crime.

You've seized on this individual put out there by the tabloids because he's a single male with we are told a string of convictions.
Oops, my mistake... It's just been reported in the Sun that police are dredging a quaint wishing well and digging under a concrete gnome sitting on a mushroom in Mrs T's back garden.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 19, 2020, 05:08:48 PM
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-van-destroyed-22219668
Another van linked to Brückner.

Nothing unusual about that bby itself as he was  into buying and selling used cars.

I agree he is a nasty piece of work- death seems to good for him IMO, but If the Portuguese couldn't find evidence of him in that apartment- then the Germans have their work cut out!

If he kept child porn it would go without saying that he would have made movies or pictures of children he captured to sell on the dark web- pictures of things happening to MBM would be worth a great deal of money- due to the notoriety/global interest.
It goes without saying that the dark web where these things are in situ the police have an in road to monitor activity.  OMG I couldn't do that job! If anything was to surface it would have by now. 

As for those who claim CB told them stuff.confessed. why did they not take up the offer of a reward. And as I have mentioned previously why do the McCanns not use the fund money to offer a reward for the conviction of  said abductor/s
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 12:10:17 AM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 12:06:16 AM
Nothing unusual about that bby itself as he was  into buying and selling used cars.

I agree he is a nasty piece of work- death seems to good for him IMO, but If the Portuguese couldn't find evidence of him in that apartment- then the Germans have their work cut out!

If he kept child porn it would go without saying that he would have made movies or pictures of children he captured to sell on the dark web- pictures of things happening to MBM would be worth a great deal of money- due to the notoriety/global interest.
It goes without saying that the dark web where these things are in situ the police have an in road to monitor activity.  OMG I couldn't do that job! If anything was to surface it would have by now. 

As for those who claim CB told them stuff.confessed. why did they not take up the offer of a reward. And as I have mentioned previously why do the McCanns not use the fund money to offer a reward for the conviction of  said abductor/s

The reward may even have been the reason Brueckner’s friend went to the police in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 02:00:12 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 19, 2020, 06:07:34 AM
So You trust the British media as lead investigators.


To a degree, yes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 02:01:46 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 19, 2020, 06:19:58 AM
That makes it suspicious? Familiarise yourself with the events of 2014,it'll show phone data can be miscrued.

Of course it does considering he’s a paedophile, rapist, and burglar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 02:03:38 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 19, 2020, 06:25:36 AM
There was I, thinking Wolters' letter had got lost in the post...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8438193/Bungling-London-police-FAILED-forward-two-letters-Maddie-McCanns-parents.html)


The police are seriously lacking.

They’re a disgrace, actually.

That German head off police isn’t going to lie!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 02:07:02 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 19, 2020, 07:54:02 AM

So you've seen all that as concrete evidence against him have you - or is it some random newspaper report.


Newspapers reported what they’re TOLD.

This isn’t some stupid celeb story where they do embellish: it’s a deadly serious missing child case FGS!

I suppose you believe the rubbish people spout on the internet instead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 02:13:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2020, 08:12:28 AM
Again welcome...ignore the bullying there are those who will try to drive you off the forum by insulting you...just ignore them and keep giving your opinion
.

Thank you, Dave!

I don’t get bothered by their bullying; I look at it as a form of Care in the Community. They need to vent their fury at someone and their words don’t bother me. It’s similar to watching baboons go mad in a safari park — they’re harmless and almost entertaining 😚
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 02:22:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2020, 09:42:38 AM
His criminal record for one... Then we have l the statements by people who knew him

A record of burglary and paedophilia...and he lived nearby... I think thst says, a lot.  We need to wait and see if there is anymore evidence


Holly obviously doesn’t know about Sarah’s Law.

And she claims her husband is a lawyer...not a solicitor, a lawyer...hmm

Perhaps she should should ask him what the point of Sarah’s Law is where the authorities have to tell people if a paedophile is living in the area.

Why does she think it’s deemed necessary?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 02:31:46 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 19, 2020, 10:34:52 AM
If there is evidence it was there at the start.All the appeals including the 2013 crimewatch which was shown in Germany never manged to elicit anything on the not officially named German !


It hadn’t come to light then.

Not all murderers are caught immediately, you know

Some aren’t charged for decades. You must know that, surely!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 03:26:02 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 02:07:02 AM

Newspapers reported what they’re TOLD.

This isn’t some stupid celeb story where they do embellish: it’s a deadly serious missing child case FGS!

I suppose you believe the rubbish people spout on the internet instead.

The McCann's would strongly disagree with your first and second lines imo. The German suspect is neither damned nor exonerated by anything written in the press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 07:22:55 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 02:07:02 AM

Newspapers reported what they’re TOLD.

This isn’t some stupid celeb story where they do embellish: it’s a deadly serious missing child case FGS!

I suppose you believe the rubbish people spout on the internet instead.

Your belief in newspapers is misplaced in my opinion. Those who tell the truth don't end up paying over a million pounds to those they libelled. (the McCanns, their friends and Robert Murat)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 02:07:02 AM

Newspapers reported what they’re TOLD.

This isn’t some stupid celeb story where they do embellish: it’s a deadly serious missing child case FGS!

I suppose you believe the rubbish people spout on the internet instead.


No, I don't - I never believe a word you say- so I'll say no more on your post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 09:41:19 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/20/madeleine-mccann-case-tabloids-and-trolls-fill-vacuum-as-wait-goes-on

I wish the word troll wasn't bandied about indiscriminately.  Those who believe the McCanns were responsible, I'm not one of them, have formed beliefs and opinions which they're entitled to have and express. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:02:27 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 09:41:19 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/20/madeleine-mccann-case-tabloids-and-trolls-fill-vacuum-as-wait-goes-on

I wish the word troll wasn't bandied about indiscriminately.  Those who believe the McCanns were responsible, I'm not one of them, have formed beliefs and opinions which they're entitled to have and express.

"Dr John Synnott, a senior lecturer in investigative and forensic psychology at the University of Huddersfield, published a study in 2017 of the behaviour of online trolls who maintain that Kate and Gerry McCann were responsible for their daughter’s disappearance, against all evidence to the contrary. Three years later, he says the behaviour of his subjects remains the same."

What evidence? lol

There's a glaring lack of abduction evidence, imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:13:23 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 19, 2020, 06:04:22 PM
Oops, my mistake... It's just been reported in the Sun that police are dredging a quaint wishing well and digging under a concrete gnome sitting on a mushroom in Mrs T's back garden.

I've always made clear the couple, man and a woman, potentially had access to info re the McCanns nighttime habits: children home alone in the unsecured apartment.  If they were involved I wouldn't like to say who the instigator was and whether they acted together or alone and what any motive was.  But why would anyone not put such individuals under the microscope and treat them as suspects  when a) they potentially had all the intelligence to perpetrate and b) they were known to be only metres away a short while before the disappearance and c) imo the wit stat throws up many inconsistencies.

What I object to is individuals being overlooked on the basis of positive discrimination. 

The guy alluded to by the authorities, who we are told has various convictions including child sex abuse, fits the profile IF the motive was sexual.  But how did he acquire all the intelligence in terms of the McCanns habits of an evening? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 10:14:50 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 09:41:19 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/20/madeleine-mccann-case-tabloids-and-trolls-fill-vacuum-as-wait-goes-on

I wish the word troll wasn't bandied about indiscriminately.  Those who believe the McCanns were responsible, I'm not one of them, have formed beliefs and opinions which they're entitled to have and express.

we do not ave an absolute right to express opinion...there are UK laws and ECHR that limit that right. thats why one of the rules of the forum forbid libel and you may have noticed mods removing posts. im not allowed to express my opinion fully re Martin Grime...if i am please let me know ive got alot to say.
Then we have more than opinion...bile.

how long should the McCanns suffer...for the rest of their miserable lives...thats not opinion its trolling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:02:27 AM
"Dr John Synnott, a senior lecturer in investigative and forensic psychology at the University of Huddersfield, published a study in 2017 of the behaviour of online trolls who maintain that Kate and Gerry McCann were responsible for their daughter’s disappearance, against all evidence to the contrary. Three years later, he says the behaviour of his subjects remains the same."

What evidence? lol

There's a glaring lack of abduction evidence, just an allegedly open window (with Kate's prints on), an empty bed and a 60/80% sighting of Gerry.

I agree and all the stats show when very small children dissappear it's usually at the hands of their caregiver(s).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:02:27 AM
"Dr John Synnott, a senior lecturer in investigative and forensic psychology at the University of Huddersfield, published a study in 2017 of the behaviour of online trolls who maintain that Kate and Gerry McCann were responsible for their daughter’s disappearance, against all evidence to the contrary. Three years later, he says the behaviour of his subjects remains the same."

What evidence? lol

There's a glaring lack of abduction evidence, imo

Rather than relying on actual evidence suggesting an abduction, people seem to rely on their opinion of the parents and a willingness to believe their story. Put simply, they believe in the abduction because the McCanns say that's what happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:23:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 10:14:50 AM
we do not ave an absolute right to express opinion...there are UK laws and ECHR that limit that right. thats why one of the rules of the forum forbid libel and you may have noticed mods removing posts. im not allowed to express my opinion fully re Martin Grime...if i am please let me know ive got alot to say.
Then we have more than opinion...bile.

how long should the McCanns suffer...for the rest of their miserable lives...thats not opinion its trolling.

The mods are trying to get a handle on where free speech/defamation starts and ends.  As you will appreciate it's a delicate balance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
Rather than relying on actual evidence suggesting an abduction, people seem to rely on their opinion of the parents and a willingness to believe their story. Put simply, they believe in the abduction because the McCanns say that's what happened.

that is your opinion.....My beleif in abduction being by far the most likely explanation is based on evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:16:37 AM
I agree and all the stats show when very small children dissappear it's usually at the hands of their caregiver(s).

you need to have acloser look at those stats. When children are abducted its most likely a parent.....but you need to look at why
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 10:29:11 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:23:05 AM
The mods are trying to get a handle on where free speech/defamation starts and ends.  As you will appreciate it's a delicate balance.
so you accept we are not free to express opinion...there are limits. The forums been going several years its about time libel was understood.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 10:14:50 AM
we do not ave an absolute right to express opinion...there are UK laws and ECHR that limit that right. thats why one of the rules of the forum forbid libel and you may have noticed mods removing posts. im not allowed to express my opinion fully re Martin Grime...if i am please let me know ive got alot to say.
Then we have more than opinion...bile.

how long should the McCanns suffer...for the rest of their miserable lives...thats not opinion its trolling.

That's some rather mild mannered trolling right there really isn't it.

I've said far worse & make no apology.

Didn't really warrant doorstepping an old lady over.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 10:35:45 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:34:23 AM
That's some rather mild mannered trolling right there really isn't it.

I've said far worse & make no apology.

Didn't really warrant doorstepping an old lady over.

I think the doorstepping was justified. I think its important poeple own their opinions and should be willing to express them without hiding behind a keyboard. Some posters here know my Identity..where I work..where  live..
Anything I say I stand by
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 10:35:45 AM
I think the doorstepping was justified. I think its important poeple own their opinions and should be willing to express them without hiding behind a keyboard. Some posters her eknow my Identity..where I work..where  live..
Anything I say I stand by

I've been slagging off the McCanns with my real identity via Facebook for years.

I only wish the dossier compilers & Martin Brunt had come after me.

I would gladly own my opinions.

Bet they wouldn't broadcast them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:46:08 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 10:25:26 AM
that is your opinion.....My beleif in abduction being by far the most likely explanation is based on evidence

My opinion that the McCanns dunnit is also based on evidence.

What we need to see is proof Maddie was abducted. The onus is on the McCanns & the police to provide that.

Shouldn't be much longer now...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
I've been slagging off the McCanns with my real identity via Facebook for years.

I only wish the dossier compilers & Martin Brunt had come after me.

I would gladly own my opinions.

Bet they wouldn't broadcast them.

Im not condemning you..as a matter of interest would you make your views public on Fb re other things...re BLM for instance. Would you feel so comfortable if they came after you...LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:46:08 AM
My opinion that the McCanns dunnit is also based on evidence.

What we need to see is proof Maddie was abducted. The onus is on the McCanns & the police to provide that.

Shouldn't be much longer now...

WEve alraedy agreed that oipinions...yours and mine are based on evidence...mosts opinions are. Weak evidence...sometimes. But not no evidence as some mistakenly think. The Mccanns nor the police have to provide anything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 10:27:01 AM
you need to have acloser look at those stats. When children are abducted its most likely a parent.....but you need to look at why

Children very very rarely or at all get took from there beds in an apartment/house.

The stats being most abductors take the children off the streets open areas etc.

The stats for Maddie being abducted from her bed compared to all other abductions is totally unique.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
Im not condemning you..as a matter of interest would you make your views public on Fb re other things...re BLM for instance. Would you feel so comfortable if they came after you...LOL

BLM are extreme left wing domestic terrorists who want to de-fund the police, destroy capitalism & have all the prisoners in America released. It's all in their list of demands.
I'm already an active member of an anti-BLM group and have no problems holding my own.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 10:52:05 AM
Children very very rarely or at all get took from there beds in an apartment/house.

The stats being most abductors take the children off the streets open areas etc.

The stats for Maddie being abducted from her bed compared to all other abductions is totally unique.

There was a girl taken from a bath in the UK whilst her mother was in the house,   a little girl taken from her bed in Scotland as I remember. Stranger abductions are extremely rare... Almost unheard of from a bed and that's why the mccanns thought it was safe.

But these things do happen
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 11:11:54 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 11:03:12 AM
BLM are extreme left wing domestic terrorists who want to de-fund the police, destroy capitalism & have all the prisoners in America released. It's all in their list of demands.
I'm already an active member of an anti-BLM group and have no problems holding my own.

I agree with you...they want to destroy the nuclear family to...a mom and a dad as the norm...now why would that be
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 11:28:06 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 11:03:12 AM
BLM are extreme left wing domestic terrorists who want to de-fund the police, destroy capitalism & have all the prisoners in America released. It's all in their list of demands.
I'm already an active member of an anti-BLM group and have no problems holding my own.

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 11:05:57 AM
There was a girl taken from a bath in the UK whilst her mother was in the house,   a little girl taken from her bed in Scotland as I remember. Stranger abductions are extremely rare... Almost unheard of from a bed and that's why the mccanns thought it was safe.

But these things do happen

But these things do happen

Yes I agree with that D


Snip from H G post
You Mr Myster seem unable to get your head round the fact that seemingly 'nice' middle class, middle aged people unknown to the authorities are capable of perpetuating acts of crime.


You are quoting 2 one a family friend.

What about  Robert Black ...miltiple

Brady ..miltiple

Sara Payne

Susan Lamplough

Leslie whittle

To name but a few, all quite a few years older than 3

It's very strange in my opinion that Maddie was only 3, not the norm it seems for pedo abductors like CB







Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 11:46:28 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 11:28:06 AM
@)(++(*

its absolutely true...and I think it will be come clear exactly what is behind BLM...a worthy cause with unworthy objectives. on their site...£25 for a t shirt that costs £2 to produce.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 11:39:05 AM
But these things do happen

Yes I agree with that D


Snip from H G post
You Mr Myster seem unable to get your head round the fact that seemingly 'nice' middle class, middle aged people unknown to the authorities are capable of perpetuating acts of crime.


You are quoting 2 one a family friend.

What about  Robert Black ...miltiple

Brady ..miltiple

Sara Payne

Susan Lamplough

Leslie whittle

To name but a few, all quite a few years older than 3

It's very strange in my opinion that Maddie was only 3, not the norm it seems for pedo abductors like CB

Perpetuating?  I think I meant perpetrating! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 11:53:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 11:46:28 AM
its absolutely true...and I think it will be come clear exactly what is behind BLM...a worthy cause with unworthy objectives. on their site...£25 for a t shirt that costs £2 to produce.

Unworthy objectives ? How so ? What is unworthy about their objectives ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 11:55:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 10:29:11 AM
so you accept we are not free to express opinion...there are limits. The forums been going several years its about time libel was understood.

Online communication is still in its infancy Davel.  We do our best as mods to balance between protecting the forum against any claims and allowing members to express themselves.  We are work to improve behind the scenes  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:13:23 AM
I've always made clear the couple, man and a woman, potentially had access to info re the McCanns nighttime habits: children home alone in the unsecured apartment.  If they were involved I wouldn't like to say who the instigator was and whether they acted together or alone and what any motive was.  But why would anyone not put such individuals under the microscope and treat them as suspects  when a) they potentially had all the intelligence to perpetrate and b) they were known to be only metres away a short while before the disappearance and c) imo the wit stat throws up many inconsistencies.

What I object to is individuals being overlooked on the basis of positive discrimination. 

The guy alluded to by the authorities, who we are told has various convictions including child sex abuse, fits the profile IF the motive was sexual.  But how did he acquire all the intelligence in terms of the McCanns habits of an evening?

Worth remembering maybe that PF shared the crying incident with at least one other ie Edna Glyn.  Did the suspect the authorities allude to learn about the McCanns habits from PF directly or indirectly?  The tabloids have him cleaning an elderly woman's home and walking her dog.  But this doesn't account for the fact that imo the wit stat referred to above is full of contradictions and inconsistencies. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 12:14:42 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 11:53:11 AM
Unworthy objectives ? How so ? What is unworthy about their objectives ?

We need a separate thread in another part of the forum where we can debate the cop hating, arsonists, looters & anarchists.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 12:21:00 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 12:14:42 PM
We need a separate thread in another part of the forum where we can debate the cop hating, arsonists, looters & anarchists.

I thought we already had a thread on the far right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 11:55:13 AM
Online communication is still in its infancy Davel.  We do our best as mods to balance between protecting the forum against any claims and allowing members to express themselves.  We are work to improve behind the scenes  8((()*/

So posters do not necessarily have the right to express their opinions... That's all I'm saying... And it's necessary to have limits
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 11:53:11 AM
Unworthy objectives ? How so ? What is unworthy about their objectives ?

Defunding police for one.. Have you looked at their website
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 12:29:30 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 12:21:00 PM
I thought we already had a thread on the far right.

It wasn't the far right who torched police precincts in LA, shot dead a retired police officer & looted the Nike stores.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 12:32:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 12:25:35 PM
Defunding police for one.. Have you looked at their website

No. I think she gets her information from CNN.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 12:29:30 PM
It wasn't the far right who torched police precincts in LA, shot dead a retired police officer & looted the Nike stores.


its the silly led by the sinister....BLM are very well orgainsed. Anyone who opposes them are labelled racist and right wing.  they are hiding behind a worthy agenda but they wont be able to hide forever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 12:34:00 PM

its the silly led by the sinister....BLM are very well orgainsed. Anyone who opposes them are labelled racist and right wing.  they are hiding behind a worthy agenda but they wont be able to hide forever.

There's a Trump rally tonight.
I fully expect BLM to flood the streets & demonstrate how peaceful they are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 08:12:50 AM

No, I don't - I never believe a word you say- so I'll say no more on your post.

Good
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 07:22:55 AM
Your belief in newspapers is misplaced in my opinion. Those who tell the truth don't end up paying over a million pounds to those they libelled. (the McCanns, their friends and Robert Murat)

Who pad over a million pounds to whom?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 12:48:48 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
Rather than relying on actual evidence suggesting an abduction, people seem to rely on their opinion of the parents and a willingness to believe their story. Put simply, they believe in the abduction because the McCanns say that's what happened.


I’ve noticed that many of these people who seem to think they KNOW the McCanns killed their own daughter, seem to WANT to believe they did.

The problem is, they can’t say how they were able to.

They were dining with friends in a crowded complex, in a crowded resort, and they suggest that either Kate or Gerry managed — between a short window of no more than an hour — and with no transport, quickly went to do their turn of checks on all the children, managed to kill Madeleine for no reason whatsoever, hide her body with people milling around outside, then went back to eat their Tapas, all normal, chatting and laughing.

It’s absolutely ludicrous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 12:50:09 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 12:29:30 PM
It wasn't the far right who torched police precincts in LA, shot dead a retired police officer & looted the Nike stores.

No they just shoot people going for a jog, throw missiles at the police and desecrate memorials. The pride of Britain  @)(++(*

Good though to see the Hopkins has finally got the boot from Twitter for her hateful behaviour.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:16:37 AM
I agree and all the stats show when very small children dissappear it's usually at the hands of their caregiver(s).


But not when they’re on holiday abroad with a group of friends.

When the place is teeming with people.

When there was no NEED to kill her. Who on Earth, after having IVF because they wanted children so very much would they decide to murder her when on holiday? Maddie looked so happy in the photographs taken when she was there. She didn’t look fearful of her parents. She didn’t have any bruises or signs of abuse.

If, for some weird reason they wanted to kill the daughter they’d tried so desperately to have, why didn’t they engineer an accident such as drowning?

Why stage a kidnap that throws the spotlight on her disappearance? It would be very easy to have taken her out in a boat and drowned her. No-one would have suspected it was anything but a tragic accident.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:46:08 AM
My opinion that the McCanns dunnit is also based on evidence.

What we need to see is proof Maddie was abducted. The onus is on the McCanns & the police to provide that.

Shouldn't be much longer now...


If you’ve got evidence produce it

You won’t, though, because your “evidence” is inside your fictional head
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 12:58:51 PM

If you’ve got evidence produce it

You won’t, though, because your “evidence” is inside your fictional head

Have you ever read Martin Smith's statement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 01:20:02 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
I've been slagging off the McCanns with my real identity via Facebook for years.

I only wish the dossier compilers & Martin Brunt had come after me.

I would gladly own my opinions.

Bet they wouldn't broadcast them.
Give us your real name then and I will pass it on.  Put your money where your mouth is. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 01:24:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 01:01:29 PM
Have you ever read Martin Smith's statement?

No, I haven’t

Do you have a link?

Or what does it it claim?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:24:58 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 12:55:59 PM

But not when they’re on holiday abroad with a group of friends.

When the place is teeming with people.

When there was no NEED to kill her. Who on Earth, after having IVF because they wanted children so very much would they decide to murder her when on holiday? Maddie looked so happy in the photographs taken when she was there. She didn’t look fearful of her parents. She didn’t have any bruises or signs of abuse.

If, for some weird reason they wanted to kill the daughter they’d tried so desperately to have, why didn’t they engineer an accident such as drowning?

Why stage a kidnap that throws the spotlight on her disappearance? It would be very easy to have taken her out in a boat and drowned her. No-one would have suspected it was anything but a tragic accident.

As I understand it those who believe the parents responsible, and its not restricted to "trolls" on the Internet, believe the children were sedated of an evening so the parents could have a carefree time. MM then under the influence of "sedation" came to some harm by way of an accident.  The parents then fearing the consequences in terms of the twins and their professional status covered up.

I think many, myself included, struggle to understand how a set of parents who were in their late 30's and professional could ever have thought it was a good idea to go out night after night for their own pleasure leaving their children home alone in an unsecured holiday apartment.

If a central theme of the holiday was going to involve the adults socialising in the evening then why not rent a large apartment where they could all put the children to bed in their respective bedrooms and then sit out on the terrace with a bbq or takeaway food and booze? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 09:41:19 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/20/madeleine-mccann-case-tabloids-and-trolls-fill-vacuum-as-wait-goes-on

I wish the word troll wasn't bandied about indiscriminately.  Those who believe the McCanns were responsible, I'm not one of them, have formed beliefs and opinions which they're entitled to have and express.
From the article

“The trolls jump on any new information and find their own angle. “It is hugely important to a lot of people’s identities,” Synnott said. “They see new information, but they find something in there that aligns with their existing critique, and they regurgitate it.”

Like Synnott, Summers fears that for some it will never be enough. “There is a hardcore cadre who will never believe any resolution,” he said. “They will take this to the ‘we never landed on the moon’ level.

Yep, seen that on here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 01:30:46 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 01:24:11 PM
No, I haven’t

Do you have a link?

Or what does it it claim?

You see you're a novice jumping in with both feet

You don't know anything it seems  @)(++(*

Just one of those people catching up with things on the internet ISWMBE
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:24:58 PM
As I understand it those who believe the parents responsible, and its not restricted to "trolls" on the Internet, believe the children were sedated of an evening so the parents could have a carefree time. MM then under the influence of "sedation" came to some harm by way of an accident.  The parents then fearing the consequences in terms of the twins and their professional status covered up.

I think many, myself included, struggle to understand how a set of parents who were in their late 30's and professional could ever have thought it was a good idea to go out night after night for their own pleasure leaving their children home alone in an unsecured holiday apartment.

If a central theme of the holiday was going to involve the adults socialising in the evening then why not rent a large apartment where they could all put the children to bed in their respective bedrooms and then sit out on the terrace with a bbq or takeaway food and booze?

Then as the McCanns claimed it would be like eating in the garden at home instead of the BS about the tapas restaurant being akin to the garden at home when it clearly wasn't. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:24:58 PM
As I understand it those who believe the parents responsible, and its not restricted to "trolls" on the Internet, believe the children were sedated of an evening so the parents could have a carefree time. MM then under the influence of "sedation" came to some harm by way of an accident.  The parents then fearing the consequences in terms of the twins and their professional status covered up.

I think many, myself included, struggle to understand how a set of parents who were in their late 30's and professional could ever have thought it was a good idea to go out night after night for their own pleasure leaving their children home alone in an unsecured holiday apartment.

If a central theme of the holiday was going to involve the adults socialising in the evening then why not rent a large apartment where they could all put the children to bed in their respective bedrooms and then sit out on the terrace with a bbq or takeaway food and booze?

Its one thing beleiving maddie died in an accident...which I think is  basically an impossible scenario...then covered it up...got away with it...then petitioned to have the case reopened . I find that idea totally ridiculous.
Its then another thing to post nastiness and hatred towards them for 13 years on the net
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:52:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 01:25:42 PM
From the article

“The trolls jump on any new information and find their own angle. “It is hugely important to a lot of people’s identities,” Synnott said. “They see new information, but they find something in there that aligns with their existing critique, and they regurgitate it.”

Like Synnott, Summers fears that for some it will never be enough. “There is a hardcore cadre who will never believe any resolution,” he said. “They will take this to the ‘we never landed on the moon’ level.

Yep, seen that on here.

I've also seen on here that many are intolerant of the views of others even when they share the view the McCanns were not responsible.  Eg my theory is entirely plausible and there's no evidence my suspects have been investigated and yet you, Brietta, Davel and Myster all mock my theory when I don't believe "sceptics" have.  Why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 01:54:10 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:24:58 PM
As I understand it those who believe the parents responsible, and its not restricted to "trolls" on the Internet, believe the children were sedated of an evening so the parents could have a carefree time. MM then under the influence of "sedation" came to some harm by way of an accident.  The parents then fearing the consequences in terms of the twins and their professional status covered up.

I think many, myself included, struggle to understand how a set of parents who were in their late 30's and professional could ever have thought it was a good idea to go out night after night for their own pleasure leaving their children home alone in an unsecured holiday apartment.

If a central theme of the holiday was going to involve the adults socialising in the evening then why not rent a large apartment where they could all put the children to bed in their respective bedrooms and then sit out on the terrace with a bbq or takeaway food and booze?


These people who assume the McCanns’ sedated Maddie are assuming that because they’re doctors

Even doctors need a script to get medication, and someone, somewhere would have known if either of them had been prescribed sedatives. Of course, anyone can buy sedative type mixtures over the counter, but as both Gerry and Kate were doctors IF they gave a sedative to Maddie they’d know exactly the right amount to give. I seem to remember Maddie had a couple of restless nights prior to that evening, so why weren’t they using the sedatives those nights?

It’s because they weren’t using any at all.

But let’s suppose they HAD, and let’s suppose when Gerry or Kate went into the apartment they discovered Maddie had died, which I think would be difficult without switching the light on which they wouldn’t have done as they didn’t want to wake them, why wouldn’t they have immediately carried out CPR on her and called an ambulance? They needn’t have said they’d medicated her had they done so: they could have said Maddie must have drank some medicine without their knowledge. Children have done that — they’ve even chewed tablets thinking they’re sweets.

There’s absolutely no evidence at all they sedated Maddie, and had they, as if they’d hide her body then go back to the Tapas bar all casual and continue eating and drinking! Coupled with the fact they were deeply religious, never in a million years would they just dispose of her body! And how could they? They had no transport and now where to hide her.

It’s too ludicrous to consider.

I agree that it was shortsighted of all the families to leave their children unattended and take it in turns to check on them, and I certainly wouldn’t do that. I’ve gone on family holidays in the past, where one of my relatives have brought their nanny with them so we could go out at night and drink etc.

I’m sure the McCann’s bitterly regret not doing that, too — they did have a nanny — but we don’t really know how close the Tapas Bar was to the apartment. Perhaps they could see it from where they were sat? Did they take a baby monitor with them?

I don’t know that much about the details to give my opinion on whether it was obviously reckless to leave the children alone. I seem to recall Gerry saying they could see the apartment and eating in the Tapas bar was almost like eating in your back garden?

My biggest worry would have been if Maddie walked out and fell into the swimming pool. Am I right in thinking she didn’t have the strength to slide the patio door open? Wasn’t it unlocked or something?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 01:41:31 PM
Its one thing beleiving maddie died in an accident...which I think is  basically an impossible scenario...then covered it up...got away with it...then petitioned to have the case reopened . I find that idea totally ridiculous.
Its then another thing to post nastiness and hatred towards them for 13 years on the net

I've also seen on here that many are intolerant of the views of others even when they share the view the McCanns were not responsible.  Eg my theory is entirely plausible and there's no evidence my suspects have been investigated and yet you, Brietta, Myster, Vertigo Swirl all mock my theory when I don't believe "sceptics" have.  Why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 01:54:10 PM

These people who assume the McCanns’ sedated Maddie are assuming that because they’re doctors

Even doctors need a script to get medication, and someone, somewhere would have known if either of them had been prescribed sedatives. Of course, anyone can buy sedative type mixtures over the counter, but as both Gerry and Kate were doctors IF they gave a sedative to Maddie they’d know exactly the right amount to give. I seem to remember Maddie had a couple of restless nights prior to that evening, so why weren’t they using the sedatives those nights?

It’s because they weren’t using any at all.

But let’s suppose they HAD, and let’s suppose when Gerry or Kate went into the apartment they discovered Maddie had died, which I think would be difficult without switching the light on which they wouldn’t have done as they didn’t want to wake them, why wouldn’t they have immediately carried out CPR on her and called an ambulance? They needn’t have said they’d medicated her had they done so: they could have said Maddie must have drank some medicine without their knowledge. Children have done that — they’ve even chewed tablets thinking they’re sweets.

There’s absolutely no evidence at all they sedated Maddie, and had they, as if they’d hide her body then go back to the Tapas bar all casual and continue eating and drinking! Coupled with the fact they were deeply religious, never in a million years would they just dispose of her body! And how could they? They had no transport and now where to hide her.

It’s too ludicrous to consider.

I agree that it was shortsighted of all the families to leave their children unattended and take it in turns to check on them, and I certainly wouldn’t do that. I’ve gone on family holidays in the past, where one of my relatives have brought their nanny with them so we could go out at night and drink etc.

I’m sure the McCann’s bitterly regret not doing that, too — they did have a nanny — but we don’t really know how close the Tapas Bar was to the apartment. Perhaps they could see it from where they were sat? Did they take a baby monitor with them?

I don’t know that much about the details to give my opinion on whether it was obviously reckless to leave the children alone. I seem to recall Gerry saying they could see the apartment and eating in the Tapas bar was almost like eating in your back garden?

My biggest worry would have been if Maddie walked out and fell into the swimming pool. Am I right in thinking she didn’t have the strength to slide the patio door open? Wasn’t it unlocked or something?

I only got to the first para.  The "sceptics" believe the McCanns sedated the children based on the fact the twins slept on in the aftermath and cooments KM made about sedation.

Calpol has a sedative effect of sorts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 01:58:42 PM
It seems to me though that a vociferous group take any suggestion that the McCann’s may have been responsible in some way as being nasty and hateful. It is perfectly acceptable to have different opinions given the evidence and information available to the public.

Opinion based upon the information we have is no more or less “nasty” and “hateful” if it’s aimed at the parents or the German sex offender, imo. It is not libellous or hateful to freely express an opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:03:14 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:54:26 PM
I've also seen on here that many are intolerant of the views of others even when they share the view the McCanns were not responsible.  Eg my theory is entirely plausible and there's no evidence my suspects have been investigated and yet you, Brietta, Davel and Myster all mock my theory when I don't believe "sceptics" have.  Why?

I don't think your theory is plausible and i dont think im intolerant of others opinion...I think I just have  a better understanding of the evidence than sceptics.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 02:05:46 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 01:30:46 PM
You see you're a novice jumping in with both feet

You don't know anything it seems  @)(++(*

Just one of those people catching up with things on the internet ISWMBE

I don’t profess to know everything

Nor do I find any of this tragedy lighthearted enough to add laughing emojis...

FYI, I’m not “catching up” with the case from the Internet. I don’t trust unofficial sources, conspirators, trolls, or those who want to believe certain things for their own agendas.

I know about the case, obviously, and read the OFFICIAL reports; I don’t take note of armchair detectives who know almost as little as me.

But what I DO know is that the McCann’s didn’t have the OPPORTUNITY to kill Maddie. Nor the desire. And I DO know that Christian Buerick is a paedophile, rapist, serial burglar, and was close to the apartment that night. It hardly takes much thinking to work out how easily he could have taken her! But if you want to believe he didn’t, that he’s a really “nice guy” who just happened to be lurking around the place when Maddie disappeared and it’s “beastly” how the German police are convinced he took her and killed her, then carry on believing what you want.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 01:58:42 PM
It seems to me though that a vociferous group take any suggestion that the McCann’s may have been responsible in some way as being nasty and hateful. It is perfectly acceptable to have different opinions given the evidence and information available to the public.

Opinion based upon the information we have is no more or less “nasty” and “hateful” if it’s aimed at the parents or the German sex offender, imo. It is not libellous or hateful to freely express an opinion.

Thinking the McCanns covered up an accident is not hateful or nasty but some of the posts towards the Mccanns are.
Expressing opinions can be libellous
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
I only got to the first para.  The "sceptics" believe the McCanns sedated the children based on the fact the twins slept on in the aftermath and cooments KM made about sedation.

Calpol has a sedative effect of sorts.

Young children can often sleep through all sorts of noise and movement going on around them.

Why do you think the McCanns’ gave their children Calpol? Was a bottle found? Were tests carried out?

Even if they did, how do you know they didn’t need Calpol for something?

It’s all supposition.

And what’s your theory what happened?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 01:54:10 PM

These people who assume the McCanns’ sedated Maddie are assuming that because they’re doctors

Even doctors need a script to get medication, and someone, somewhere would have known if either of them had been prescribed sedatives. Of course, anyone can buy sedative type mixtures over the counter, but as both Gerry and Kate were doctors IF they gave a sedative to Maddie they’d know exactly the right amount to give. I seem to remember Maddie had a couple of restless nights prior to that evening, so why weren’t they using the sedatives those nights?

It’s because they weren’t using any at all.


Fenergan was listed in the drugs removed from Apartment 5A. It’s an anti-histamine and also used for travel sickness but a well known side effect is its sedative properties. IMO this would have been worthy of further investigation. Amaral was, IMO, barking up the wrong tree with his talk of “calpol” which does not have sedative properties. Did the fenergan come from the UK? Who was it prescribed for? How many tablets (if any) had gone. Was the German sex offender prescribed fenergan? Maybe he dropped the box?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
I only got to the first para.  The "sceptics" believe the McCanns sedated the children based on the fact the twins slept on in the aftermath and cooments KM made about sedation.

Calpol has a sedative effect of sorts.

calpol has no sedative effects..if it did anyone taking paracetamol would be warned not to drive
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
Thinking the McCanns covered up an accident is not hateful or nasty but some of the posts towards the Mccanns are.
Expressing opinions can be libellous

When Christian B is charged, which I believe he will be, how will these people feel about the disgraceful wicked allegations they’ve made about Kate and Gerry?

As if they haven’t had to suffer enough, then to get a herd of holier than thou trolls with a thug mentality crucifying them is sickening.

They’re like rabid dogs with bones.

They don’t know what happened, but they sit behind their screens bashing out their venom, not realising how bad they are on every level.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:20:05 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 02:16:54 PM
When Christian B is charged, which I believe he will be, how will these people feel about the disgraceful wicked allegations they’ve made about Kate and Gerry?

As if they haven’t had to suffer enough, then to get a herd of holier than thou trolls with a thug mentality crucifying them is sickening.

There like rabid dogs with bones.

They don’t know what happened, but they sit behind their screens bashing out their venom, not realising how bad they are on every level.

I think its highly probable he is guilty and agree with you re thug mentality
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:21:41 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 02:12:18 PM
Young children can often sleep through all sorts of noise and movement going on around them.

Why do you think the McCanns’ gave their children Calpol? Was a bottle found? Were tests carried out?

Even if they did, how do you know they didn’t need Calpol for something?

It’s all supposition.

And what’s your theory what happened?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10974.msg552530#msg552530

I'm afraid I can't post my theory on here as might be considered libellous.  Others here understand it based on my posts which alluded to such.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 02:16:54 PM
When Christian B is charged, which I believe he will be, how will these people feel about the disgraceful wicked allegations they’ve made about Kate and Gerry?

As if they haven’t had to suffer enough, then to get a herd of holier than thou trolls with a thug mentality crucifying them is sickening.

There like rabid dogs with bones.

They don’t know what happened, but they sit behind their screens bashing out their venom, not realising how bad they are on every level.

I think some hold such extreme views that even if someone is found guilty they will believe he/she is a MoJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:27:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 02:14:48 PM
calpol has no sedative effects..if it did anyone taking paracetamol would be warned not to drive

Yep you're right Davel I don't think it does have sedative effects but oc meds are available that do and could potentially have been administered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 02:27:27 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 02:05:46 PM
I don’t profess to know everything

Nor do I find any of this tragedy lighthearted enough to add laughing emojis...

FYI, I’m not “catching up” with the case from the Internet. I don’t trust unofficial sources, conspirators, trolls, or those who want to believe certain things for their own agendas.

I know about the case, obviously, and read the OFFICIAL reports; I don’t take note of armchair detectives who know almost as little as me.

But what I DO know is that the McCann’s didn’t have the OPPORTUNITY to kill Maddie. Nor the desire. And I DO know that Christian Buerick is a paedophile, rapist, serial burglar, and was close to the apartment that night. It hardly takes much thinking to work out how easily he could have taken her! But if you want to believe he didn’t, that he’s a really “nice guy” who just happened to be lurking around the place when Maddie disappeared and it’s “beastly” how the German police are convinced he took her and killed her, then carry on believing what you want.


Sorry, it's just I find you funny.

This proves what you do think you know is what you have read online or in the newspaper.

But what I DO know is that the McCann’s didn’t have the OPPORTUNITY to kill Maddie. Nor the desire. And I DO know that Christian Buerick is a paedophile, rapist, serial burglar, and was close to the apartment that night. It hardly takes much thinking to work out how easily he could have taken her! But if you want to believe he didn’t, that he’s a really “nice guy” who just happened to be lurking around the place when Maddie disappeared and it’s “beastly” how the German police are convinced he took her and killed her, then carry on believing what you want
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 02:28:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 10:14:50 AM
we do not ave an absolute right to express opinion...there are UK laws and ECHR that limit that right. thats why one of the rules of the forum forbid libel and you may have noticed mods removing posts. im not allowed to express my opinion fully re Martin Grime...if i am please let me know ive got alot to say.
Then we have more than opinion...bile.

how long should the McCanns suffer...for the rest of their miserable lives...thats not opinion its trolling.


You are allowed to express an opinion- libel isn't an opinion it is stated as a fact which is assumed can be backed up by evidence. Which, if there is no evidence to back up, made up evidence doesn't count.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 02:05:46 PM
I don’t profess to know everything

Nor do I find any of this tragedy lighthearted enough to add laughing emojis...

FYI, I’m not “catching up” with the case from the Internet. I don’t trust unofficial sources, conspirators, trolls, or those who want to believe certain things for their own agendas.

I know about the case, obviously, and read the OFFICIAL reports; I don’t take note of armchair detectives who know almost as little as me.

But what I DO know is that the McCann’s didn’t have the OPPORTUNITY to kill Maddie. Nor the desire. And I DO know that Christian Buerick is a paedophile, rapist, serial burglar, and was close to the apartment that night. It hardly takes much thinking to work out how easily he could have taken her! But if you want to believe he didn’t, that he’s a really “nice guy” who just happened to be lurking around the place when Maddie disappeared and it’s “beastly” how the German police are convinced he took her and killed her, then carry on believing what you want.

The last independent sighting of Maddie was around 5-5.30 if you believe Dr Payne. (I can't be arsed to confirm the exact time right now as my broadband is down and I'm on mobile)
Maddie is alleged to have been discovered missing around 10pm.

So that's about 4-5 hours right there where they had the OPPORTUNITY to knock her off.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 02:03:14 PM
I don't think your theory is plausible and i dont think im intolerant of others opinion...I think I just have  a better understanding of the evidence than sceptics.

Well I think it's plausible and so does a former police officer so that's good enough for me.

You and others have referred to my theory as "ridiculous" when I don't do ridiculous. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:31:38 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:27:02 PM
Yep you're right Davel I don't think it does have sedative effects but oc meds are available that do and could potentially have been administered.

Many things are possible ...doesnt mean they are probable.

Given the time frame 8.30 till 10...I dont see how a fatal accident is possible. A head injury takes seevral hours to kill

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 11:46:28 AM
its absolutely true...and I think it will be come clear exactly what is behind BLM...a worthy cause with unworthy objectives. on their site...£25 for a t shirt that costs £2 to produce.

By zero hours /slave labour

 now ... @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 02:32:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
Thinking the McCanns covered up an accident is not hateful or nasty but some of the posts towards the Mccanns are.
Expressing opinions can be libellous


Harry Kinmonth, a solicitor at RPC, a media law firm, insists that customers still have the right to air their views, but they have to adopt a reasoned approach. “In defamation law, honest opinion is a defence to any claim. So, you are able to express any opinions you want, as long as they are honestly held and based on some sort of fact or experience,” he says.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:30:54 PM
Well I think it's plausible and so does a former police officer so that's good enough for me.

You and others have referred to my theory as "ridiculous" when I don't do ridiculous.

Not only has a former police officer read my detailed theory, which you haven't Davel, and agreed its plausible but it also aligns closely with former MET officer Ian Horrock's theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:30:54 PM
Well I think it's plausible and so does a former police officer so that's good enough for me.

You and others have referred to my theory as "ridiculous" when I don't do ridiculous.

Good enough for you doesnt cut the mustard. I spoke to someone this week who believed the Mccanns were involved...he also believed the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth...he had evidence to back it up too...the evidence was good enough for him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 02:35:00 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:52:59 PM
I've also seen on here that many are intolerant of the views of others even when they share the view the McCanns were not responsible.  Eg my theory is entirely plausible and there's no evidence my suspects have been investigated and yet you, Brietta, Davel and Myster all mock my theory when I don't believe "sceptics" have.  Why?
Because it's eminently mockable.  Supporters views are based in plausibility and logic, unlike yours and "sceptics", IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 02:35:36 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 20, 2020, 02:16:54 PM
When Christian B is charged, which I believe he will be, how will these people feel about the disgraceful wicked allegations they’ve made about Kate and Gerry?

As if they haven’t had to suffer enough, then to get a herd of holier than thou trolls with a thug mentality crucifying them is sickening.

There like rabid dogs with bones.

They don’t know what happened, but they sit behind their screens bashing out their venom, not realising how bad they are on every level.

An opinion if honest and based on some factual information is not thuggish. It is perfectly acceptable. It’s acceptable for you to believe the German sex offender will be charged based on your honest opinion and circumstantial information you’ve read in newspapers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:36:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 02:31:38 PM
Many things are possible ...doesnt mean they are probable.

Given the time frame 8.30 till 10...I dont see how a fatal accident is possible. A head injury takes seevral hours to kill

You're trying to convince the wrong person Davel.  I think the idea is bonkers but others don't.  All I'm saying is that OC meds are available with sedative properties that could be administered to children. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:37:44 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Not only has a former police officer read my detailed theory, which you haven't Davel, and agreed its plausible but it also aligns closely with former MET officer Ian Horrock's theory.

Perhaps the former police officer was just being polite..was that john by the way...that would be my take. you can make any unsubstantiated claim you like..its meaningless. You claim to know who took Maddie...you passed these details to SY 12 months ago...nothing ha shappened ...I think i know why
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:36:55 PM
You're trying to convince the wrong person Davel.  I think the idea is bonkers but others don't.  All I'm saying is that OC meds are available with sedative properties that could be administered to children.

and what does that prove
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 02:39:44 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:27:02 PM
Yep you're right Davel I don't think it does have sedative effects but oc meds are available that do and could potentially have been administered.

There’s a list of drugs removed from 5A in the PJ files. One is an anti-histamine, also used for travel sickness that is known for its sedative effect. I have no idea if it was prescribed to the German sex offender.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 02:39:49 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 02:30:17 PM
The last independent sighting of Maddie was around 5-5.30 if you believe Dr Payne. (I can't be arsed to confirm the exact time right now as my broadband is down and I'm on mobile)
Maddie is alleged to have been discovered missing around 10pm.

So that's about 4-5 hours right there where they had the OPPORTUNITY to knock her off.
The opportunity to kill her, and bury her somewhere where her body would never be discovered?  Without a spade, or a car, on foot, in a seaside resort?  Keep going....tell us how.  Oh, and how about you put your real name to it, you said earlier you would welcome being doorstepped for your views, so let's have it now. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:41:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 02:35:00 PM
Because it's eminently mockable.  Supporters views are based in plausibility and logic, unlike yours and "sceptics", IMO.

Not only has a former police officer read my detailed theory, which you haven't Vertigo Swirl, and agreed its plausible but it also aligns closely with former MET officer Ian Horrock's theory.

I have a theory.  The "sceptics" have a theory.  It seems to me the "supporters" here lack a theory but they know the "sceptics" are wrong and they know I'm wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:41:03 PM
Not only has a former police officer read my detailed theory, which you haven't Vertigo Swirl, and agreed its plausible but it also aligns closely with former MET officer Ian Horrock's theory.

I have a theory.  The "sceptics" have a theory.  It seems to me the "supporters" here lack a theory but they know the "sceptics" are wrong and they know I'm wrong.

I think you put too much credence in former police officers. Did you see the one this week at the BLM rally...drunk as  a skunk being carried to safety.

As ive said i think you are referring to John who imo was just being polite
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:45:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 02:38:27 PM
and what does that prove

That the "sceptics" have a basis for such a belief.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 02:45:50 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:41:03 PM
Not only has a former police officer read my detailed theory, which you haven't Vertigo Swirl, and agreed its plausible but it also aligns closely with former MET officer Ian Horrock's theory.

I have a theory.  The "sceptics" have a theory.  It seems to me the "supporters" here lack a theory but they know the "sceptics" are wrong and they know I'm wrong.
My theory is that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile resident in the PdL area who gained access to Apartment 5A on the night of May 3rd, lifted her out of bed, took her away, raped and killed her and disposed of her body in the locale.  That has always been my theory and it seems that the German police agree it's plausible and closely aligns with their way of thinking. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 02:39:49 PM
The opportunity to kill her, and bury her somewhere where her body would never be discovered?  Without a spade, or a car, on foot, in a seaside resort?  Keep going....tell us how.  Oh, and how about you put your real name to it, you said earlier you would welcome being doorstepped for your views, so let's have it now.

IMO one scenario for concealment would be in a freezer in a nearby apartment.  though I in no way believe the McCann’s did this. Could the German sex offender have access to somewhere like that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:48:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 02:44:18 PM
I think you put too much credence in former police officers. Did you see the one this week at the BLM rally...drunk as  a skunk being carried to safety.

As ive said i think you are referring to John who imo was just being polite

John is always honest and vocal with me eg his counter posts to my theories re JB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:48:26 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:45:16 PM
That the "sceptics" have a basis for such a belief.

And what does that prove...it isnt just whats possible its whats probable.

Whats the belief in how she died. An ex policeman who was co ordinator of the case thinks she fell off the sofa and died...ridiculous...and hes an ex detective
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:49:42 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:48:18 PM
John is always honest and vocal with me eg his counter posts to my theories re JB.

and polite no doubt...ie he wouldnt tell you your theory was ridiculous even if he thought it was
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 02:51:29 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:41:03 PM
Not only has a former police officer read my detailed theory, which you haven't Vertigo Swirl, and agreed its plausible but it also aligns closely with former MET officer Ian Horrock's theory.

I have a theory.  The "sceptics" have a theory.  It seems to me the "supporters" here lack a theory but they know the "sceptics" are wrong and they know I'm wrong.

I confess to not having a theory either, however I have heard a few which are interesting.

 The McCann narrative with their mish mash time lines, erring and umming when asked very simple questions, is highly suspicious IMO. I share the opinion of many, that they set out to self protect and cost time wasted in the search/investigation for little Maddie.

Those words ring in my ear 'mummy where were you last night when we woke up S was crying'.

So after challenging her parents being upset and worried about being ;left alone- they were left alone again- MBM disappeared that night!  IMHO those two parents are callous,self centred,...........
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 02:52:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 02:48:26 PM
And what does that prove...it isnt just whats possible its whats probable.

Whats the belief in how she died. An ex policeman who was co ordinator of the case thinks she fell off the sofa and died...ridiculous...and hes an ex detective

Why is that “ridiculous” ? I’ve posted research before which shows that falling is one of the most common types of accidental death in the home.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 20, 2020, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 02:45:50 PM
My theory is that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile resident in the PdL area who gained access to Apartment 5A on the night of May 3rd, lifted her out of bed, took her away, raped and killed her and disposed of her body in the locale.  That has always been my theory and it seems that the German police agree it's plausible and closely aligns with their way of thinking.



This is the ONLY post I can see made today which is anything close to to nodding distance with the thread topic which is 'New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.'

Please take note that from now on I will delete ALL further Off Topic posts.  Thank you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 02:46:07 PM
IMO one scenario for concealment would be in a freezer in a nearby apartment.  though I in no way believe the McCann’s did this. Could the German sex offender have access to somewhere like that?
It's far more likely that he did than than that the McCanns did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:58:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 02:45:50 PM
My theory is that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile resident in the PdL area who gained access to Apartment 5A on the night of May 3rd, lifted her out of bed, took her away, raped and killed her and disposed of her body in the locale.  That has always been my theory and it seems that the German police agree it's plausible and closely aligns with their way of thinking.

The McCanns and many others lay and professional would disagree. 

MM is not in the age range paedophiles are USUALLY attracted to.

Most of those who potentially had knowledge that MM was home alone in the unsecured apartment were placed under the microscope by PJ and MET. How would anyone without such knowledge 'seize the moment'? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 02:58:51 PM


 think we might need a new thread...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:58:06 PM
The McCanns and many others lay and professional would disagree. 

MM is not in the age range paedophiles are USUALLY attracted to.

Most of those who potentially had knowledge that MM was home alone in the unsecured apartment were placed under the microscope by PJ and MET. How would anyone without such knowledge 'seize the moment'?

CB it seems knew Maddie was home alone...had a history of burglary and paedophilia ...and was not put under the microscope
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 20, 2020, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 02:58:51 PM

 think we might need a new thread...

Couldn't agree more, Davel.  Maybe more than one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 03:09:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 03:00:47 PM
CB it seems knew Maddie was home alone...had a history of burglary and paedophilia ...and was not put under the microscope

What are you basing he “seems” to have known MM was home alone on?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 02:45:50 PM
My theory is that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile resident in the PdL area who gained access to Apartment 5A on the night of May 3rd, lifted her out of bed, took her away, raped and killed her and disposed of her body in the locale.  That has always been my theory and it seems that the German police agree it's plausible and closely aligns with their way of thinking.

And the evidence for your theory appears somewhat circumstantial, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 03:12:23 PM
And the evidence for your theory appears somewhat circumstantial, imo.
But highly plausible and logical, unlike some.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 03:21:06 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 03:09:24 PM
What are you basing he “seems” to have known MM was home alone on?

My thoughts too.

All we know for sure is that he used his phone somewhere around Luz.

So, it must be him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 03:23:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 03:12:23 PM
And the evidence for your theory appears somewhat circumstantial, imo.


I am still thinking about the timelines.... when did he do this. we have from 7.30-10pm (apprx- no one had phone or watch with them) on this particular evening we have more checks and physical checks than any other night so... What, When, How.  He looks nothing like the Tannerman or smithman. Was he not ion his 20's at that time?

MBM last seen around 5.30ish
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 03:21:06 PM
My thoughts too.

All we know for sure is that he used his phone somewhere around Luz.

So, it must be him.

The McCanns and many other people used their phones that night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 03:40:55 PM
This may already have been posted:

http://www.findmadeleine.com/updates/

Updates
Operation Grange Statement: June 19, 2020
The Met received one letter from the BKA on 12 June, which was passed to the family. The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Leepal on June 20, 2020, 03:50:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 02:45:50 PM
My theory is that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile resident in the PdL area who gained access to Apartment 5A on the night of May 3rd, lifted her out of bed, took her away, raped and killed her and disposed of her body in the locale.  That has always been my theory and it seems that the German police agree it's plausible and closely aligns with their way of thinking.

This is my theory too.  It also makes sense that the offender would live in a remote farmhouse outside PdL and that he would be a foreign national ie. not a person who was well known to the local Portuguese population in PdL.
I'm not saying for definite it was CB because of course I don't know, but he does fit the profile completely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 03:53:16 PM
Quote from: Leepal on June 20, 2020, 03:50:20 PM
This is my theory too.  It also makes sense that the offender would live in a remote farmhouse outside PdL and that he would be a foreign national ie. not a person who was well known to the local Portuguese population in PdL.
I'm not saying for definite it was CB because of course I don't know, but he does fit the profile completely.

He fits the profile precisely...a person with ahistory of burglary and child abuse who had contacts in the Ocean club who knew Maddie was alone
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: Leepal on June 20, 2020, 03:50:20 PM
This is my theory too.  It also makes sense that the offender would live in a remote farmhouse outside PdL and that he would be a foreign national ie. not a person who was well known to the local Portuguese population in PdL.
I'm not saying for definite it was CB because of course I don't know, but he does fit the profile completely.


Not if Maddie wasn't abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 04:06:10 PM

The dead black guy's phone records also place him close to the apartment. He was also a burglar.

Maybe he assisted the paedo in snatching Maddie as revenge for being sacked from the ocean club.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 04:06:10 PM
The dead black guy's phone records also place him close to the apartment. He was also a burglar.

Maybe he assisted the paedo in snatching Maddie as revenge for being sacked from the ocean club.

he didnt have a history of child abuse and rape...he hadnt bragged he knew what happened to maddie...little girls swimsuits werent found in one of his vehicles
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 04:00:56 PM

Not if Maddie wasn't abducted.

It looks very much like she was and the police know who did it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 04:14:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 04:09:08 PM
It looks very much like she was and the police know who did it

Which force? The Germans the Yard or PJ?
They don't seem to be able to agree on anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 04:16:26 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 04:14:43 PM
Which force? The Germans the Yard or PJ?
They don't seem to be able to agree on anything.

panic stations in sceptic land
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 04:08:15 PM
he didnt have a history of child abuse and rape...he hadnt bragged he knew what happened to maddie...little girls swimsuits werent found in one of his vehicles

There was a reward of £20,000 for information leading to an arrest at the time. Do you think that might have proved an incentive for the ‘friend’ to come forward with Brueckner’s ‘confession’ ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 04:17:19 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 04:16:45 PM
There was a reward of £20,000 for information leading to an arrest at the time. Do you think that might have proved an incentive for the ‘friend’ to come forward with Brueckner’s ‘confession’ ?

nope
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 04:16:26 PM
panic stations in sceptic land

Yep, because the cops are going to nail that paedo & prove us all wrong.

Shouldn't be much longer now.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
Yep, because the cops are going to nail that paedo & prove us all wrong.

Shouldn't be much longer now.....

more panic in sceptic land
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 04:20:13 PM
more panic in sceptic land

They've got that much evidence against him that they can't actually arrest him.

Extraordinary!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 04:09:08 PM
It looks very much like she was and the police know who did it


Why would he want a 3-year old and go to all that risk?

Its only iyo anyway D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 04:09:08 PM
It looks very much like she was and the police know who did it


Don't you mean trying there very best to make things fit to look as if was him -  a bit back to front IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 20, 2020, 04:34:03 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 04:25:49 PM

Don't you mean trying there very best to make things fit to look as if was him -  a bit back to front IMO

I agree.  The German police are getting desperate now as none of the DNA tested goes back to their suspect. He'll be due for release soon so time is not on their side.  Watch this space for egg on their face.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 04:37:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 04:17:19 PM
nope

Why not. £20,000 must be a fortune to this guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 04:38:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 04:22:54 PM

Why would he want a 3-year old and go to all that risk?

Its only iyo anyway D

What risk.. He may well have got away with it... Not just my opinion.. SY are working with the Germans... The Portuguese  just can't admit they've messed up
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 04:37:00 PM
Why not. £20,000 must be a fortune to this guy.

Because he didn't claim a confession.. If he had he may well have got that 20k
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 20, 2020, 04:34:03 PM
I agree.  The German police are getting desperate now as none of the DNA tested goes back to their suspect. He'll be due for release soon so time is not on their side.  Watch this space for egg on their face.

I think most people realise he's guilty so if he does get off with it will be down to the PJ who forgot he told them he had a history of sex abuse and therefore didn't investigate him at the time
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
I only got to the first para.  The "sceptics" believe the McCanns sedated the children based on the fact the twins slept on in the aftermath and cooments KM made about sedation.

Calpol has a sedative effect of sorts.
Do we know if ‘Calpol’ or ‘Calpol Night’ was used ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 20, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 04:41:29 PM
I think most people realise he's guilty so if he does get off with it will be down to the PJ who forgot he told them he had a history of sex abuse and therefore didn't investigate him at the time

Surely scoring imaginary points over the Portuguese is rather trivial compared with 'finding Madeleine' ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 04:52:03 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 20, 2020, 04:25:49 PM

Don't you mean trying there very best to make things fit to look as if was him -  a bit back to front IMO

everything does fit...what doesnt...you seem to be in denial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 04:52:47 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 20, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
Surely scoring imaginary points over the Portuguese is rather trivial compared with 'finding Madeleine' ?

its most likely that Madeleine is not alive to be found
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Seeing that Brückner often travelled between Portugal and the Isle of Sylt, Germany for drug-dealing purposes, it might be possible that children were also part of his cargo. Hence him telling an acquaintance that his Winnebago van could conceal drugs and children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 05:07:01 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Seeing that Brückner often travelled between Portugal and the Isle of Sylt, Germany for drug-dealing purposes, it might be possible that children were also part of his cargo. Hence him telling an acquaintance that his Winnebago van could conceal drugs and children.

Which missing children specifically do you think he might have abducted & trafficked?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 05:07:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 04:39:09 PM
Because he didn't claim a confession.. If he had he may well have got that 20k

Information leading to an arrest is the phraseology I understand...it doesn’t have to be a confession.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 05:10:25 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 04:49:01 PM
Do we know if ‘Calpol’ or ‘Calpol Night’ was used ?

Calpol is a red herring. As doctors the parents would have access to all sorts of sedative drugs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 05:10:36 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 05:07:07 PM
Information leading to an arrest is the phraseology I understand...it doesn’t have to be a confession.

i think you need to read it again properly...its not information leading to ARREST the rewards for
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
Portuguese prosecutors DESTROYED vital DNA evidence from brutal five-hour sex attack linked to Christian Brueckner just weeks before Madeleine McCann vanished, court papers reveal

what a pathetic excuse for a police force and justice system

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8442487/Portuguese-prosecutors-DESTROYED-vital-DNA-evidence.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 05:07:01 PM
Which missing children specifically do you think he might have abducted & trafficked?
The ones linked to him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 20, 2020, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
Portuguese prosecutors DESTROYED vital DNA evidence from brutal five-hour sex attack linked to Christian Brueckner just weeks before Madeleine McCann vanished, court papers reveal

what a pathetic excuse for a police force and justice system

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8442487/Portuguese-prosecutors-DESTROYED-vital-DNA-evidence.html

I know, absolutely pathetic: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40638513 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40638513)

Pathetic: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/may/15/police-mishandling-digital-evidence-forensic-experts-warn (https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/may/15/police-mishandling-digital-evidence-forensic-experts-warn)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: The General on June 20, 2020, 05:33:19 PM
I know, absolutely pathetic: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40638513 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40638513)

Pathetic: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/may/15/police-mishandling-digital-evidence-forensic-experts-warn (https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/may/15/police-mishandling-digital-evidence-forensic-experts-warn)

pathetic post trying to excuse the destruction of dna evidence...its basic police procedure...what you are referring to in your links is something quite dfferent..

One of the problems is the sheer amount of digital evidence the police have to look at,” said Dr Jan Collie, of Discovery Forensics, who specialises in defence work. “You have to consider the cloud [for digital storage], too. There’s evidence everywhere. With cuts in funding, officers don’t have the time to do all that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 20, 2020, 05:59:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 05:41:47 PM
pathetic post trying to excuse the destruction of dna evidence...its basic police procedure...what you are referring to in your links is something quite dfferent..

One of the problems is the sheer amount of digital evidence the police have to look at,” said Dr Jan Collie, of Discovery Forensics, who specialises in defence work. “You have to consider the cloud [for digital storage], too. There’s evidence everywhere. With cuts in funding, officers don’t have the time to do all that.
The point you missed is that anyone can post a hyperbolic response to perceived incompetence of law enforcement of just about any country if you can be arsed Googling.

And good to see your go-to ad hom game is still on point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 06:07:27 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-spent-8-22225289
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 20, 2020, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 04:41:29 PM
I think most people realise he's guilty so if he does get off with it will be down to the PJ who forgot he told them he had a history of sex abuse and therefore didn't investigate him at the time

Thinking it doesn't cut it Davel.  No matter how much you and others might want it to be him, there is a little thingamabob called evidence and up until now the Germans have found NONE that LINKS HIM TO MADELEINE McCANN.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 06:27:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 05:10:36 PM
i think you need to read it again properly...its not information leading to ARREST the rewards for

Conviction then....it’s all the same thing. Brueckner’s friend may have gone to the police in the belief that there would be money in it for him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 20, 2020, 04:06:10 PM
The dead black guy's phone records also place him close to the apartment. He was also a burglar.

Maybe he assisted the paedo in snatching Maddie as revenge for being sacked from the ocean club.
Good point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 06:32:00 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 06:27:29 PM
Conviction then....it’s all the same thing. Brueckner’s friend may have gone to the police in the belief that there would be money in it for him.

If you think arrest and conviction are all the same thing you have a lot to learn
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 06:33:44 PM
Quote from: The General on June 20, 2020, 05:59:11 PM
The point you missed is that anyone can post a hyperbolic response to perceived incompetence of law enforcement of just about any country if you can be arsed Googling.

And good to see your go-to ad hom game is still on point.

I'm posting a breaking piece of news concerning this thread... That's the difference you have missed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 20, 2020, 06:35:40 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 06:07:27 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-spent-8-22225289

He seems to have left giant sized footprints all over the place making it difficult to pin-point any in particular or checking them all out;  that's only the ones that are known about I would think there are others yet to be discovered if they ever are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 06:36:43 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 02:58:06 PM
The McCanns and many others lay and professional would disagree. 

MM is not in the age range paedophiles are USUALLY attracted to.

Most of those who potentially had knowledge that MM was home alone in the unsecured apartment were placed under the microscope by PJ and MET. How would anyone without such knowledge 'seize the moment'?
Do you have a cite for the McCanns disagreeing that their daughter was abducted by a paedophile?  What is the USUAL age a paedo goes for then, are you,the resident expert on this as well as everything else?  You seem to be suggesting that pretty little nearly 4 year old blonde girls would not be of interest to people into child pornography so perhaps you could explain why not seeing as how you know so much about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 20, 2020, 06:18:24 PM
Thinking it doesn't cut it Davel.  No matter how much you and others might want it to be him, there is a little thingamabob called evidence and up until now the Germans have found NONE that LINKS HIM TO MADELEINE McCANN.

You haven't got a clue what the Germans have as regards evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 06:43:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on June 20, 2020, 06:18:24 PM
Thinking it doesn't cut it Davel.  No matter how much you and others might want it to be him, there is a little thingamabob called evidence and up until now the Germans have found NONE that LINKS HIM TO MADELEINE McCANN.
Can we have a cite for your claim please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 06:32:00 PM
If you think arrest and conviction are all the same thing you have a lot to learn

You have yet to give a reason why the £20,000 reward wouldn’t be a incentive for Brueckner’s friend to report his alleged confession to the police.

I’ll just take it as read that you don’t have one.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 06:52:27 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 06:49:37 PM
You have yet to give a reason why the £20,000 reward wouldn’t be a incentive for Brueckner’s friend to report his alleged confession to the police.

I’ll just take it as read that you don’t have one.

I dont think you can be trusted to take anything as raed as you seem to have difficulty raeding. first you confuse arrest with conviction....then you seem to think Bruekners friend claimed he confessed to him. i suggest  you read the facts again...there is no claim to a confession
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 06:54:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 06:43:16 PM
Can we have a cite for your claim please.

Angelo seems to think he is an expert on what evidence police hold.....I recall him saying the PJ have more evidence than they have revealed...now hes saying the Germans have none. Perhaps he has connections in both the Portuguese and German investigations
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 06:57:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 06:52:27 PM
I dont think you can be trusted to take anything as raed as you seem to have difficulty raeding. first you confuse arrest with conviction....then you seem to think Bruekners friend claimed he confessed to him. i suggest  you read the facts again...there is no claim to a confession

I suggest you stop avoiding the question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 06:57:12 PM
I suggest you stop avoiding the question.

I suggest you at least try and get your facts right..perhaps im asking too much. How can I answer a question about  a confession when there hasnt been one
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 07:00:09 PM
I suggest you at least try and get your facts right..perhaps im asking too much. How can I answer a question about  a confession when there hasnt been one

He confessed that he knew what happened.

I enjoy watching you go all about the houses to avoid answering questions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 20, 2020, 07:14:18 PM
Can anyone explain why Goncalo Amaral would have believed in April 2019 (Mark Saunokonoko podcasts) that CB was going to be made a scapegoat for Madeleine's disappearance? CB wasn't charged with the sexual offences against the 72 year old American tourist in Luz until August 2019 & that conviction was only achieved thanks to his DNA being matched to a solitary hair found at the 2005 crime scene.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: misty on June 20, 2020, 07:14:18 PM
Can anyone explain why Goncalo Amaral would have believed in April 2019 (Mark Saunokonoko podcasts) that CB was going to be made a scapegoat for Madeleine's disappearance? CB wasn't charged with the sexual offences against the 72 year old American tourist in Luz until August 2019 & that conviction was only achieved thanks to his DNA being matched to a solitary hair found at the 2005 crime scene.

Didn’t he tell his friend that he knew what had happened to Madeleine in 2017 and his friend subsequently went to the police ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 07:23:47 PM
Heriberto has suggested that back in 2007, there was a camper van parking spot at the area marked with a blue x. Presuming (in my opinion) that Brückner is the person who took Madeleine and sighted by the Smiths, at the red x, he could have taken the yellow route to his van.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: misty on June 20, 2020, 07:14:18 PM
Can anyone explain why Goncalo Amaral would have believed in April 2019 (Mark Saunokonoko podcasts) that CB was going to be made a scapegoat for Madeleine's disappearance? CB wasn't charged with the sexual offences against the 72 year old American tourist in Luz until August 2019 & that conviction was only achieved thanks to his DNA being matched to a solitary hair found at the 2005 crime scene.
What a good question!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 07:30:58 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 07:23:47 PM
Heriberto has suggested that back in 2007, there was a camper van parking spot at the area marked with a blue x. Presuming (in my opinion) that Brückner is the person who took Madeleine and sighted by the Smiths, at the red x, he could have taken the yellow route to his van.

And it doesn’t worry you that Brueckner would have been too young, too tall and too fair to be Smithman?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 06:52:27 PM
I dont think you can be trusted to take anything as raed as you seem to have difficulty raeding. first you confuse arrest with conviction....then you seem to think Bruekners friend claimed he confessed to him. i suggest  you read the facts again...there is no claim to a confession
What point is she trying to make?  That the friend told a pack of lies in exchange for twenty grand?  I thought the reward was a recent thing set up by the Germans not something offered years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 07:32:33 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 07:23:47 PM
Heriberto has suggested that back in 2007, there was a camper van parking spot at the area marked with a blue x. Presuming (in my opinion) that Brückner is the person who took Madeleine and sighted by the Smiths, at the red x, he could have taken the yellow route to his van.

The German sex offender doesn't look like the person the Smith's all saw. But there's always a possibility that Smithman took the body to another person who then concealed the body, imo. I'd also hazard a guess that the initial concealment involved a freezer - since anything in the immmediate PDL vicinity would likely be found, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 07:34:00 PM
In fact Brueckner’s name came up in connection to the case in 2013.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-a-timeline

No doubt Amaral was still being kept abreast of happenings within the investigation by his friends in the PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 03:53:16 PM
He fits the profile precisely...a person with ahistory of burglary and child abuse who had contacts in the Ocean club who knew Maddie was alone

You are using tabloid fodder to bolster your argument.  Only the tabloids claim he had contacts at OC. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: misty on June 20, 2020, 07:14:18 PM
Can anyone explain why Goncalo Amaral would have believed in April 2019 (Mark Saunokonoko podcasts) that CB was going to be made a scapegoat for Madeleine's disappearance? CB wasn't charged with the sexual offences against the 72 year old American tourist in Luz until August 2019 & that conviction was only achieved thanks to his DNA being matched to a solitary hair found at the 2005 crime scene.

Perhaps he's cleverer than some give him credit for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 07:38:45 PM
You are using tabloid fodder to bolster your argument.  Only the tabloids claim he had contacts at OC.

Indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 07:47:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 06:36:43 PM
Do you have a cite for the McCanns disagreeing that their daughter was abducted by a paedophile?  What is the USUAL age a paedo goes for then, are you,the resident expert on this as well as everything else?  You seem to be suggesting that pretty little nearly 4 year old blonde girls would not be of interest to people into child pornography so perhaps you could explain why not seeing as how you know so much about it.

I was referring to all the other aspects of your post too ie that MM's dead:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg601692#msg601692

Unlike some I listen carefully to what others say particularly experts and/or those with experience in areas I lack.  Dave Barclay, forensic scientist, is on one of the vids saying MM is not in the age range paedophile usually target; an opinion echoed by former MET officer Ian Horrocks:

A girl of Madeleine’s age is not the usual target age for a paedophile; she is substantially younger than most victims of these offences.

https://www.bgpglobalservices.com/happened-madeleine-mccann-2/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 07:47:49 PM
I was referring to all the other aspects of your post too ie that MM's dead:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg601692#msg601692

Unlike some I listen carefully to what others say particularly experts and/or those with experience in areas I lack.  Dave Barclay, forensic scientist, is on one of the vids saying MM is not in the age range paedophile usually target; an opinion echoed by former MET officer Ian Horrocks:

A girl of Madeleine’s age is not the usual target age for a paedophile; she is substantially younger than most victims of these offences.



https://www.bgpglobalservices.com/happened-madeleine-mccann-2/

Not the usual target fine. He has  aconviction for child abuse...a memory stick wityh images of children. how many paedophiles rape 70 yera old women...do you need to ask an expert
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 07:11:19 PM
He confessed that he knew what happened.

I enjoy watching you go all about the houses to avoid answering questions.

and I enjoyed watching you get so much wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 07:56:30 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 07:30:58 PM
And it doesn’t worry you that Brueckner would have been too young, too tall and too fair to be Smithman?
It does not worry me at all. He would have been 30 at the time, 5.9 tall, not too fair in the dark. Don’t you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 07:55:03 PM
and I enjoyed watching you get so much wrong

To expose your stupidly takes energy...and you’re just not worth it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 07:58:47 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 07:38:45 PM
You are using tabloid fodder to bolster your argument.  Only the tabloids claim he had contacts at OC.
I would say its highly likely to certain he had contacts at the OC
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 07:47:49 PM
I was referring to all the other aspects of your post too ie that MM's dead:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg601692#msg601692

Unlike some I listen carefully to what others say particularly experts and/or those with experience in areas I lack.  Dave Barclay, forensic scientist, is on one of the vids saying MM is not in the age range paedophile usually target; an opinion echoed by former MET officer Ian Horrocks:

A girl of Madeleine’s age is not the usual target age for a paedophile; she is substantially younger than most victims of these offences.

https://www.bgpglobalservices.com/happened-madeleine-mccann-2/
Try googling 3 or 4 year old abduction by paedophile and see how many different cases you come across.  It’s hardly unheard of.  Paedophiles may not usually target that age group but that doesn’t mean that age group is never targeted by paedophiles.  It’s a pointless observation IMO, and adds nothing to the understanding of what may have happened in this case.  I could equally say “parents don’t usually leave their kids unattended in holiday apartments “ or “ prents don’t usually cover up the accidental death of a child”, what would that contribute to the discussion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 08:03:30 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 07:57:34 PM
To expose your stupidly takes energy...and you’re just not worth it.

interesting to see you are now copying my  style...elipses. To be called  a fool by a fool is merely testament to my intellect...see if you can find out who coined that phrase
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 08:10:12 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 07:56:30 PM
It does not worry me at all. He would have been 30 at the time, 5.9 tall, not too fair in the dark. Don’t you think?

All CB had to have been doing was to be  carrying maddie in the correct way ... with his head down...almost stooping...to pass for smithman
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 20, 2020, 07:56:30 PM
It does not worry me at all. He would have been 30 at the time, 5.9 tall, not too fair in the dark. Don’t you think?

Description of Brueckner

‘This man is described as white and in 2007 is believed to have had short blond hair, possibly fair. He was about 6ft in height with a slim build. He is 43-years-old, but in 2007 may have looked between 25 to early 30’s.’
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 08:14:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 08:03:30 PM
interesting to see you are now copying my  style...elipses. To be called  a fool by a fool is merely testament to my intellect...see if you can find out who coined that phrase

Now why don’t you think the 20,000 reward would be a temptation to Brueckner’s friend ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 08:14:21 PM
Now why don’t you think the 20,000 reward would be a temptation to Brueckner’s friend ?

do you have any confirmation he was aware of the reward
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 08:20:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
Perhaps he's cleverer than some give him credit for.
Or perhaps he is the new Mystic Meg.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
do you have any confirmation he was aware of the reward
When was this reward set up?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
Perhaps he's cleverer than some give him credit for.

I think the evidence for the contrary is evident
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 08:24:19 PM
Scotland Yard is launching a joint appeal with the BKA and the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria (PJ), including a £20,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of the person responsible of Madeleine’s disappearance

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-named-christian-brueckner-12803974/?ito=cbshare
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

So the reward was only recently set up, years after the friend squealed.  Faithlilly gets it wrong yet again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
do you have any confirmation he was aware of the reward

It was common knowledge so there is every possibility that he did know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 08:24:58 PM
It was common knowledge so there is every possibility that he did know.

Then why didnt he claim that CB confessed to him....that would have been much better ...its what I would have done....ill bear it in mind should I ever need 20 k...perish the thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Then why didnt he claim that CB confessed to him....that would have been much better ...its what I would have done....ill bear it in mind should I ever need 20 k...perish the thought.

According to some print media that’s exactly what he did.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-told-pal-22141762
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 08:38:59 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 08:37:09 PM
According to some print media that’s exactly what he did.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-told-pal-22141762

Well if its in the papers it must be true... I rest your case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 08:44:10 PM
How many £20k rewards are the German police handing out then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 08:38:59 PM
Well if its in the papers it must be true... I rest your case

So tell me again why you think that it isn’t possible that Brueckner’s friend went to the police with a bogus story simply to get the reward ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 08:48:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 08:38:59 PM
Well if its in the papers it must be true... I rest your case

And you get your information where?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 08:51:16 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 08:48:36 PM
And you get your information where?

Im winding faith up..isnt it obvious
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 08:53:31 PM
The question that's baffling me is when did CM first hear of Smithman, and why was Smithman ignored for so long considerinng the publicity surrounding lots of other possible sightings of an abductor in the frenzied media campaign in those early days? With OG years later believing him to be THE abductor and now some forum members on this thread claiming it could be the  the German sex offender on the way to his campervan, surely some publicity from "a source close to the family" early on might have generated some information and/or a positive ID.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 08:55:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 08:51:16 PM
Im winding faith up..isnt it obvious

Oh sorry!! Hey - is that allowed on this forum!!?   (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 09:00:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 08:55:11 PM
Oh sorry!! Hey - is that allowed on this forum!!?   (&^&

Not sure...but Ive been accused of being a bully...a dick head and  a know it all.. by a moderator...and been given 25 points for nothing...so I thought I might at least act the part. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 09:05:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 08:51:16 PM
Im winding faith up..isnt it obvious

I guess in RL you’re quite a low achiever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 08:03:06 PM
Try googling 3 or 4 year old abduction by paedophile and see how many different cases you come across.  It’s hardly unheard of.  Paedophiles may not usually target that age group but that doesn’t mean that age group is never targeted by paedophiles.  It’s a pointless observation IMO, and adds nothing to the understanding of what may have happened in this case.  I could equally say “parents don’t usually leave their kids unattended in holiday apartments “ or “ prents don’t usually cover up the accidental death of a child”, what would that contribute to the discussion?

I used the word usually in my post ie paedophiles are not usually attracted to children in that age range based on the experts that have commented on the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 09:06:58 PM
I used the word usually in my post ie paedophiles are not usually attracted to children in that age range based on the experts that have commented on the case.
What was the point of making the observation in the first place?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 07:58:47 PM
I would say its highly likely to certain he had contacts at the OC

Based on what exactly?

Only a finite number of OC employees knew the Mc's nighttime MO.  What makes you so sure any of these people even knew of CB's existence let alone acquainted with him?  PDL has a population of 3.5k. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 09:05:45 PM
I guess in RL you’re quite a low achiever.

keep guessing  and eventually you'll come up with the right answer
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 09:15:21 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
Based on what exactly?

Only a finite number of OC employees knew the Mc's nighttime MO.  What makes you so sure any of these people even knew of CB's existence let alone acquainted with him?  PDL has a population of 3.5k.

based on the fact he was acriminal and these sort of people make it their business to get to know people. Based on the fact he was  a drug dealer and a large proportion of the demographic of the OC restaurant and bar staff use drugs...based on the fact he worked in the catering industry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on June 20, 2020, 09:17:54 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
Based on what exactly?

Only a finite number of OC employees knew the Mc's nighttime MO.  What makes you so sure any of these people even knew of CB's existence let alone acquainted with him?  PDL has a population of 3.5k.

there was always going to   be a  scapegoat in this  case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 07:47:49 PM
I was referring to all the other aspects of your post too ie that MM's dead:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg601692#msg601692

Unlike some I listen carefully to what others say particularly experts and/or those with experience in areas I lack.  Dave Barclay, forensic scientist, is on one of the vids saying MM is not in the age range paedophile usually target; an opinion echoed by former MET officer Ian Horrocks:

A girl of Madeleine’s age is not the usual target age for a paedophile; she is substantially younger than most victims of these offences.

https://www.bgpglobalservices.com/happened-madeleine-mccann-2/

I don't think that is a good enough reason to rule out abduction. Month old babies and 2 year old toddlers have been subjected to paedophile interest and abuse.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 09:25:01 PM
Quote from: carlymichelle on June 20, 2020, 09:17:54 PM
there was always going to   be a  scapegoat in this  case

Amaral tried to make the Mccanns scapegoats but failed miserably....it looks  as though the Germans with the help of SY have found the real culptrit. Even if he he is tried and found guilty some sceptics will squeal scapegoat. He hasnt even been charged and theyre starting already...no need for a trial ...hes an innocent scapegoat... LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I don't think that is a good enough reason to rule out abduction. Month old babies and 2 year old toddlers have been subjected to paedophile interest and abuse.

WOW...some sense at last
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 09:31:00 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I don't think that is a good enough reason to rule out abduction. Month old babies and 2 year old toddlers have been subjected to paedophile interest and abuse.

I’m not for a moment claiming it’s the case here but most sexual abuse of young children is perpetrated by close family members or friends. It’s a sad fact. 😢 . Does that fact rule out the German sex offender? No, of course not. Was Smithman the German sex offender? Well he doesn’t fit the description. Why was Smithman not publicised by “a source close to the family”? I’m totally baffled by this!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 09:31:00 PM
I’m not for a moment claiming it’s the case here but most sexual abuse of young children is perpetrated by close family members or friends. It’s a sad fact. 😢 . Does that fact rule out the German sex offender? No, of course not. Was Smithman the German sex offender? Well he doesn’t fit the description. Why was Smithman not publicised by “a source close to the family”? I’m totally baffled by this!

most abuse of children is carried out by family membere because most children are usually under the care of a family member....if a child is left alone in an aprtment sadly that is not the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 09:34:07 PM
most abuse of children is carried out by family membere because most children are usually under the care of a family member....if a child is left alone in an aprtment sadly that is not the case

This is true of this case of course. But if the German sex offender had inside information about the children being left home alone every evening, he would also have had inside information about the 15 minute checks. Not only would we be looking at what CM described as “rare stranger abduction” we’d also be looking at a high risk abduction with a tiny window of opportunity.

And we still need to explain why what is now regarded as a crucial sighting was ignored for so long by “a source close to the family”.  It’s baffling considering how the media was used to publicise other possible sightings, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 09:53:04 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 09:46:19 PM
This is true of this case of course. But if the German sex offender had inside information about the children being left home alone every evening, he would also have had inside information about the 15 minute checks. Not only would we be looking at what CM described as “rare stranger abduction” we’d also be looking at a high risk abduction with a tiny window of opportunity.

And we still need to explain why what is now regarded as a crucial sighting was ignored for so long by “a source close to the family”.  It’s baffling considering how the media was used to publicise other possible sightings, imo.

He could have watched and struck at 8.35..most crime is high risk... It doesn't stop it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 20, 2020, 09:57:46 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 07:23:11 PM
Didn’t he tell his friend that he knew what had happened to Madeleine in 2017 and his friend subsequently went to the police ?

Not from this source if you can believe anything by the myth making press.

Brueckner lived near the resort at that time, on and off, and had a grey Jaguar and a Westfalia camper van which were seen in the area.

The man, who we have agreed not to name, added: “Christian said ‘just because I was in Portugal 12 years, they send me this.

“‘Just because I was living there at the time and also in that time frame I was close by. Just because I was living out of a van’.

“He kept going on about it and waving the paper around saying, ‘I have nothing to do with this, they are trying to get me’.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-joked-hed-22226005
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 10:04:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 09:11:42 PM
keep guessing  and eventually you'll come up with the right answer

I don’t have to guess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 10:04:27 PM
I don’t have to guess.

Well you said you did...try reading your own post again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 20, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I don't think that is a good enough reason to rule out abduction. Month old babies and 2 year old toddlers have been subjected to paedophile interest and abuse.

No one is ruling out a sexually motivated abduction just pointing out that paedophiles are not USUALLY attracted to children as young as MM.  Of course some are attracted to babies and children younger than MM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 10:13:56 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:11:23 PM
No one is ruling out a sexually motivated abduction just pointing out that paedophiles are not USUALLY attracted to children as young as MM.  Of course some are attracted to babies and children younger than MM.
But it's, quite, possible..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 10:16:49 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:11:23 PM
No one is ruling out a sexually motivated abduction just pointing out that paedophiles are not USUALLY attracted to children as young as MM.  Of course some are attracted to babies and children younger than MM.
So how does this observation further the discussion?  Does it rule out my theory?  That appears to have been your intention - to cast doubt on its plausibility.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 20, 2020, 10:20:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
Perhaps he's cleverer than some give him credit for.

As a non-policeman, how & why would he have been party to detailed information in April 2019 about charges in Germany which hadn't yet been laid?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:24:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 09:15:21 PM
based on the fact he was acriminal and these sort of people make it their business to get to know people. Based on the fact he was  a drug dealer and a large proportion of the demographic of the OC restaurant and bar staff use drugs...based on the fact he worked in the catering industry.

So even if the few OC employees who were familiar with the Mc's nighttime MO were acquainted with CB then what? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 20, 2020, 10:29:05 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:11:23 PM
No one is ruling out a sexually motivated abduction just pointing out that paedophiles are not USUALLY attracted to children as young as MM.  Of course some are attracted to babies and children younger than MM.


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/aug/24/childprotection
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:24:09 PM
So even if the few OC employees who were familiar with the Mc's nighttime MO were acquainted with CB then what?
Then it means he could have received a tip off to his advantage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 10:16:49 PM
So how does this observation further the discussion?

It simply makes it less likely but not impossible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 10:29:48 PM
Then it means he could have received a tip off to his advantage.

I think PJ and MET had OC employees under the microscope.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 20, 2020, 10:39:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 09:31:00 PM
I’m not for a moment claiming it’s the case here but most sexual abuse of young children is perpetrated by close family members or friends. It’s a sad fact. 😢 . Does that fact rule out the German sex offender? No, of course not. Was Smithman the German sex offender? Well he doesn’t fit the description. Why was Smithman not publicised by “a source close to the family”? I’m totally baffled by this!
I agree that CB was neither Smithman nor Tannerman.
It's always worth re-reading the press reports during 2007/8 regarding the Smith family statements and appreciating that, despite having been bound by judicial secrecy, news about their alleged sighting reached Irish media within a week of their 26th May statements to PJ. The emphases, of course, were the similarities with the Tanner sighting & confirmation the man wasn't Murat.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id162.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:46:29 PM
Quote from: misty on June 20, 2020, 10:29:05 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/aug/24/childprotection

The article states paedophiles are attracted to pre verbal babies/children because of their inability to describe their abuse.

The article also states a point I've been endeavouring to make:

He added that the middle classes had to start accepting that large numbers of paedophiles came from professional backgrounds.

A middle class man in all probability knew MM was home alone in the unsecured apartment.  A middle class man was only metres away from MM a short while before she disappeared.  Afaik that middle class man has never even been spoken to by the police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 20, 2020, 10:50:58 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:46:29 PM
The article states paedophiles are attracted to pre verbal babies/children because of their inability to describe their abuse.

The article also states a point I've been endeavouring to make:

He added that the middle classes had to start accepting that large numbers of paedophiles came from professional backgrounds.

A middle class man in all probability knew MM was home alone in the unsecured apartment.  A middle class man was only metres away from MM a short while before she disappeared.  Afaik that middle class man has never even been spoken to by the police.

And I recall the only time the police took advice from an expert on the type of person they should look for was in the Colin Stagg case... They were so reliant on the experts advice they even got Stagg into court
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:52:23 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 20, 2020, 09:31:00 PM
I’m not for a moment claiming it’s the case here but most sexual abuse of young children is perpetrated by close family members or friends. It’s a sad fact. 😢 . Does that fact rule out the German sex offender? No, of course not. Was Smithman the German sex offender? Well he doesn’t fit the description. Why was Smithman not publicised by “a source close to the family”? I’m totally baffled by this!

I might be misunderstanding but if you're saying 'Smithman' isn't on FM site, he is. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:58:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 10:50:58 PM
And I recall the only time the police took advice from an expert on the type of person they should look for wad in the Colin Stagg case... They were so reliant on the experts advice they even got Stagg into court

I don't really understand what your point is Davel.

I think CS was on Wimbledon Common around the time RN was murdered.  WC covers a large area.  A middle class man was in very close proximity to 5A shortly before MM disappeared but said man Afaik has never been treated as a suspect.  The police need to be clearing the ground beneath their feet before looking further afield.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 11:02:22 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:46:29 PM
The article states paedophiles are attracted to pre verbal babies/children because of their inability to describe their abuse.

The article also states a point I've been endeavouring to make:

He added that the middle classes had to start accepting that large numbers of paedophiles came from professional backgrounds.

A middle class man in all probability knew MM was home alone in the unsecured apartment.  A middle class man was only metres away from MM a short while before she disappeared.  Afaik that middle class man has never even been spoken to by the police.
So now you’ve decided Madeleine WAS targeted by a paedo, only your paedo has to be middle class! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 11:02:22 PM
So now you’ve decided Madeleine WAS targeted by a paedo, only your paedo has to be middle class!

My abductor has to have had intelligence of the Mc's nighttime MO and that pretty much rules out everyone other than you know who  8(0(*

I find some here hold prejudiced vews and they are unable to accept even the possibility that a middle class person could be the perpetrator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 20, 2020, 11:37:36 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:46:29 PM
The article states paedophiles are attracted to pre verbal babies/children because of their inability to describe their abuse.

The article also states a point I've been endeavouring to make:

He added that the middle classes had to start accepting that large numbers of paedophiles came from professional backgrounds.

A middle class man in all probability knew MM was home alone in the unsecured apartment.  A middle class man was only metres away from MM a short while before she disappeared.  Afaik that middle class man has never even been spoken to by the police.

Where do you think said middle-class man was hanging around, waiting to pounce and where was his wife & car?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 11:45:01 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 11:15:03 PM
My abductor has to have had intelligence of the Mc's nighttime MO and that pretty much rules out everyone other than you know who  8(0(*

I find some here hold prejudiced vews and they are unable to accept even the possibility that a middle class person could be the perpetrator.
His being middle class has got eff all to do with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 20, 2020, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 11:15:03 PM
My abductor has to have had intelligence of the Mc's nighttime MO and that pretty much rules out everyone other than you know who  8(0(*

I find some here hold prejudiced vews and they are unable to accept even the possibility that a middle class person could be the perpetrator.
You’ve said no one else knew that the parents routinely left Madeleine alone in the evenings despite also knowing full well that the restaurant staff knew this as well.  Why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 21, 2020, 03:55:16 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 11:15:03 PM
My abductor has to have had intelligence of the Mc's nighttime MO and that pretty much rules out everyone other than you know who  8(0(*

I find some here hold prejudiced vews and they are unable to accept even the possibility that a middle class person could be the perpetrator.
LOL!!!  Pot and kettle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 21, 2020, 04:05:41 AM
Another one for the naysayers... even Brueckner's former lawyer in Portugal thinks he could have done it...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8443371/Former-lawyer-Christian-Bruckner-says-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8443371/Former-lawyer-Christian-Bruckner-says-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 04:27:08 AM
Quote from: misty on June 20, 2020, 10:39:15 PM
I agree that CB was neither Smithman nor Tannerman.
It's always worth re-reading the press reports during 2007/8 regarding the Smith family statements and appreciating that, despite having been bound by judicial secrecy, news about their alleged sighting reached Irish media within a week of their 26th May statements to PJ. The emphases, of course, were the similarities with the Tanner sighting & confirmation the man wasn't Murat.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id162.htm

Surely, imo, the elephant in the room is why no publicity about Smithman from "a source close to the family".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 04:30:21 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 09:25:01 PM
Amaral tried to make the Mccanns scapegoats but failed miserably....it looks  as though the Germans with the help of SY have found the real culptrit. Even if he he is tried and found guilty some sceptics will squeal scapegoat. He hasnt even been charged and theyre starting already...no need for a trial ...hes an innocent scapegoat... LOL

Hold on a minute - it's you calling him "the real culprit" before he;s even been charged with any crime in  connection to MM,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 21, 2020, 07:58:52 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 04:30:21 AM
Hold on a minute - it's you calling him "the real culprit" before he;s even been charged with any crime in  connection to MM,

Please remember that we are a discussion forum.  What we do is discuss the current news whatever that may be or however rubbish we think the newspapers are at reporting it.

Snip
The German prosecutor in charge of the Madeleine McCann case has said authorities there will continue investigating the British girl's disappearance as long as necessary, with no expense spared.

"Money doesn't come into it," Hans Christian Wolter of the Braunschweig prosecutor's office told the Sunday Independent. "From our perspective, as long as the investigation has a chance of success we will continue it.

"Our job is to try to get a result. If there is nothing more to investigate, of course the case will be closed, we won't keep it open needlessly. But there is no finish line in sight and at the moment we can't say how much longer it will go on. It could, theoretically, take years." https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/madeleine-mccann/we-wont-give-up-on-madeleine-probe-german-prosecutor-39302367.html

In my opinion Christian Brueckner fits the profile of the "real culprit" ... whoever that may be ... in Madeleine's disappearance and the Germans seem to be going along with that line of reasoning.

Therefore it might be more appropriate to refer to Brueckner as the PRIME SUSPECT and not yet the REAL CULPRIT ... although I do recognise the nuance of exactly what the poster was saying ... and it might be appropriate for other members to take note.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 21, 2020, 08:21:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 20, 2020, 09:25:01 PM
Amaral tried to make the Mccanns scapegoats but failed miserably....it looks  as though the Germans with the help of SY have found the real culptrit. Even if he he is tried and found guilty some sceptics will squeal scapegoat. He hasnt even been charged and theyre starting already...no need for a trial ...hes an innocent scapegoat... LOL

I have to agree that "it looks as though the Germans with the help of Scotland Yard have found the real culprit" and it certainly seems as if there are those who don't think he's too bad a chap.
Certainly not those who, as reported on the forum, were discussing on social media setting up a fund to pay for his defence.  Wonder how that went?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 21, 2020, 08:37:13 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 04:30:21 AM
Hold on a minute - it's you calling him "the real culprit" before he;s even been charged with any crime in  connection to MM,
Davel said “it looks like the Germans have found the real culprit” and indeed it does look that way, though of course they may not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 20, 2020, 08:11:23 PM
Description of Brueckner

‘This man is described as white and in 2007 is believed to have had short blond hair, possibly fair. He was about 6ft in height with a slim build. He is 43-years-old, but in 2007 may have looked between 25 to early 30’s.’
Correct. And?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 21, 2020, 08:21:05 AM
I have to agree that "it looks as though the Germans with the help of Scotland Yard have found the real culprit" and it certainly seems as if there are those who don't think he's too bad a chap.
Certainly not those who, as reported on the forum, were discussing on social media setting up a fund to pay for his defence.  Wonder how that went?

He’s only “the real culprit” in your opinion. To not add that caveat is surely libellous?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: misty on June 20, 2020, 10:39:15 PM
I agree that CB was neither Smithman nor Tannerman.
It's always worth re-reading the press reports during 2007/8 regarding the Smith family statements and appreciating that, despite having been bound by judicial secrecy, news about their alleged sighting reached Irish media within a week of their 26th May statements to PJ. The emphases, of course, were the similarities with the Tanner sighting & confirmation the man wasn't Murat.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id162.htm

The mystery is why was Smithman ignored by CM for so long? When I say ignored I mean there was none of the pretend Police Press Conference requests for public information that we saw repeatedly with Tannerman and other sightings. I don’t recall Smithman even getting a mention at the LSE event in January 2008 (but apologies if I’m wrong). That’s over 6 months without any attempt to publicise what OG (years and millions of pounds later) describe as a vital lead! At the time though it seemed, imo, like CM didn’t want Smithman to be publicised. Why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 21, 2020, 10:34:35 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
He’s only “the real culprit” in your opinion. To not add that caveat is surely libellous?
the caveat is “I have to agree it looks as though” - does this REALLY need pointing out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 08:47:38 AM
Correct. And?

Martin Smith’s description.

‘As regards the description of the individual who was carrying the girl he said: Caucasian, around 175 to 180cm in height. ( 5ft 9in ) He appeared to be about 34/35 years old. He had a normal complexion, rather slim. His hair was short, in a normal male cut, brown in colour.’

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 21, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
He’s only “the real culprit” in your opinion. To not add that caveat is surely libellous?

Hi Billy.....I used that phrase on purpose knowing it would offend some but make interesting debate and thats part of what this forum is about.  I did say i think they have found the real culprit...so its clear its opinion. To use the defence of "honest opinion" it salso necessary to iclude the raesons I think hes guilty which I did do in a previous post. The reasons have to be reasonable.

I wonder why you find this so offensive but when spam says ...its the parents wot dunnit...not  a murmur...when amaral says no abduction...the body was hidden..etc etc..not a murmur
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 11:08:30 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 10:45:47 AM
Martin Smith’s description.

‘As regards the description of the individual who was carrying the girl he said: Caucasian, around 175 to 180cm in height. ( 5ft 9in ) He appeared to be about 34/35 years old. He had a normal complexion, rather slim. His hair was short, in a normal male cut, brown in colour.’
Brückner:
Caucasian/tick
Height, 182 cm/tick
30 years old/tick
Normal complexion/tick
Slim/tick
Short, brown hair/tick
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 21, 2020, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 11:08:30 AM
Brückner:
Caucasian/tick
Height, 182 cm/tick
30 years old/tick
Normal complexion/tick
Slim/tick
Short, brown hair/tick

Smith didn't get a, good look at smithman... And he had his head bowed... Could very well be CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 21, 2020, 11:20:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 21, 2020, 11:10:35 AM
Smith didn't get a, good look at smithman... And he had his head bowed... Could very well be CB
Could be hundreds of people with those characteristics.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 12:21:23 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 11:08:30 AM
Brückner:
Caucasian/tick
Height, 182 cm/tick
30 years old/tick
Normal complexion/tick
Slim/tick
Short, brown hair/tick

6ft,
 34-35, some of the Smiths put him as old as 40
Hair not brown.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 21, 2020, 12:42:14 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 12:21:23 PM
6ft,
 34-35, some of the Smiths put him as old as 40
Hair not brown.
IMO Smithman does not equal Brückner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 12:44:25 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 21, 2020, 12:42:14 PM
IMO Smithman does not equal Brückner.
Unless he's put on 4" in height in the interim. Might be a late developer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 21, 2020, 12:47:53 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
He’s only “the real culprit” in your opinion. To not add that caveat is surely libellous?

If you read the posts carefully you will see that no-one here has made any claim that Brueckner is the 'real culprit'.
I think either your interpretation skills are somewhat lacking or you are suggesting that I have libelled Brueckner merely for arguments sake?
If so you have just lost the argument.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 21, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
Hi Billy.....I used that phrase on purpose knowing it would offend some but make interesting debate and thats part of what this forum is about.  I did say i think they have found the real culprit...so its clear its opinion. To use the defence of "honest opinion" it salso necessary to iclude the raesons I think hes guilty which I did do in a previous post. The reasons have to be reasonable.

I wonder why you find this so offensive but when spam says ...its the parents wot dunnit...not  a murmur...when amaral says no abduction...the body was hidden..etc etc..not a murmur

I believe if you don’t use the caveat that it is only opinion then certain statements are potentially libellous. It doesn’t matter who the accusation is aimed at. In this case there are reasonable grounds and enough public information to debate a whole host of possible scenarios.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 21, 2020, 10:34:35 AM
the caveat is “I have to agree it looks as though” - does this REALLY need pointing out.

My post was to Dave not Brietta.... and the phrase used was ....”it looks  as though the Germans with the help of SY have found the real culptrit.“. ..” I have to agree “ added by Brietta is obviously fine because it’s clearly opinion.

Now as you want a debate... let’s debate why CM ignored Smithman for so long. Did Smithman even get a mention at the LSE event (Jan 2008) . This may, imo, have potentially led to a positive ID on the German sex offender years ago. IMO Smithman is obviously not the German sex offender but there could be a link between the two.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 21, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 01:34:07 PM
My post was to Dave not Brietta.... and the phrase used was ....”it looks  as though the Germans with the help of SY have found the real culptrit.“. ..” I have to agree “ added by Brietta is obviously fine because it’s clearly opinion.

Now as you want a debate... let’s debate why CM ignored Smithman for so long. Did Smithman even get a mention at the LSE event (Jan 2008) .
"It looks as though" is opinion.  "I have to agree" is opinion.  You had a go at both Davel and Brietta without seeming to understand when an opinion is being expressed. 
As for Smithman, you're asking me enter a debate when I don't have any answer for you - I have absolutely no idea why, but I expect there is a perfectly logical reason.  Please note "I expect" is an opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 21, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
"It looks as though" is opinion.  "I have to agree" is opinion.  You had a go at both Davel and Brietta without seeming to understand when an opinion is being expressed. 
As for Smithman, you're asking me enter a debate when I don't have any answer for you - I have absolutely no idea why, but I expect there is a perfectly logical reason.  Please note "I expect" is an opinion.
Sorry, are you Davel's PR person?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 21, 2020, 02:00:58 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 01:55:13 PM
Sorry, are you Davel's PR person?
No, I am actually Davel.  I thought you knew this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 02:15:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 21, 2020, 02:00:58 PM
No, I am actually Davel.  I thought you knew this?
I don't know what anything is in the gaff any more. Except Rob. Rob's the only constant.
Does anyone actually think this German animal is the culprit, aside from the polizei?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 02:26:51 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 12:44:25 PM
Unless he's put on 4" in height in the interim. Might be a late developer.
Like Davel mentioned, he had his head down.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 02:27:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 21, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
"It looks as though" is opinion.  "I have to agree" is opinion.  You had a go at both Davel and Brietta without seeming to understand when an opinion is being expressed. 
As for Smithman, you're asking me enter a debate when I don't have any answer for you - I have absolutely no idea why, but I expect there is a perfectly logical reason.  Please note "I expect" is an opinion.

IMO “it looks as though” is debatable as to whether it is opinion or not if it’s followed by a definitive statement and no caveat. The proof of the pudding is in the moderation, but let’s get back on topic. It’s clear that certain posters believe that the German sex offender is responsible for whatever fate befell poor MM. In my opinion it looks as though she died in the apartment. In my opinion if the German sex offender is in some way responsible then it looks as though there is connection between him and Smithman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 02:26:51 PM
Like Davel mentioned, he had his head down.
So when the Smiths were discussing height, instead of using the conventional measure of actual height, they decided to collectively adopt the less frequently used measure of 'stooping height'?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 21, 2020, 02:39:23 PM
I am interested in viewing present happenings from the Portuguese point of view although a bit less interested in profilers as a rule.
Interestingly I received a lesson in how Madeleine's parents are currently perceived and portrayed which doesn't really fit with the ruling of the Supreme Court judges.



"Narcissistic" and "weak": the psychological profile of the suspect in kidnapping Maddie
Forensic expert believes that Christian Brueckner chooses children and the elderly as victims to feel empowered.
Morning mail
June 17, 2020, 8:32 p.m.

"Narcissist", "psychopath" and "weak": this is how Mark Benecke, a famous German forensic biologist, described Christian Brueckner, the main suspect in the abduction and disappearance of Maddie McCann from Praia da Luz, in Algarve, in 2007 .

the expert who examined skulls like those of Adolf Hitler and Eva, suspects that Christian is a "narcissistic" personality disorder with anti-social. Analyzing the crimes for which he has already been convicted, Benecke believes that the suspect chooses young victims for the sake of power and not for sexual desire for a certain age group. "Many of these criminals are 'weaklings', so they choose easier targets, such as children and the elderly, because these victims are less struggling," he said in a statement to the Mirror.
____________________________________________________________________

The man, Christian Brueckner, 43, is a repeat pedophile currently under arrest in Kiel, in northern Germany, who at the time lived a few kilometers from the hotel where the British child disappeared.

Brueckner is suspected of murdering the girl, who at the time was on vacation with her parents and two other brothers in Portugal. Investigators discovered, according to the German media, children's swimsuits in the suspect's motorhome. According to the German media, the investigators also found USB pens with thousands of pedophile images, some of which show the suspect, hidden in the place where he buried his dog.

The suspect has already made a release request that will not be accepted, according to the attorney general's office.

The Judiciary Police (PJ) reopened the investigation in 2013, after the case was dismissed by the Attorney General's Office in 2008, clearing the three defendants, Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, and another Briton, Robert Murat.
https://www.cmjornal.pt/mundo/detalhe/narcisista-e-fraco-o-perfil-psicologico-do-suspeito-de-raptar-maddie?ref=Mais%20Sobre_BlocoMaisSobre




For information only and not for discussion on this thread

The last paragraph above was translated from ... "A Polícia Judiciária (PJ) reabriu a investigação em 2013, depois de o caso ter sido arquivado pela Procuradoria Geral da República em 2008, ilibando os três arguidos, os pais de Madeleine, Kate e Gerry McCann, e um outro britânico, Robert Murat.

ilibando translates as

gerund exculpate

i · li · bar - Combine
( Latin * illibare , of illibatus , -a , -a , not touched , no stains )
transitive verb
1. Make it pure .
2. Prove that there is no spot on .
3. Release from guilt or suspicion .
Related words:
acquittal , exonerated , exculpatory , blame , accuse , harmless , undefiled
...

"ilibando", in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha], 2008-2020, https://dicionario.priberam.org/ilibando [consultado em 21-06-2020].
i.li.bar
iliˈbar

conjugation

transitive verb
1. make pure ; remove the stain
2. blame
3. rid of prosecution or possible conviction
4. rehabilitate
How to use the verb
free from
exempt
They cleared him of the prosecution after analyzing the evidence.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on September 19, 2474, 05:33:58 PM
6ft,
 34-35, some of the Smiths put him as old as 40
Hair not brown.
Brückner, currently, looks older than 43. Possibly, in 2007, he looked older than 30. In the dark, as witnessed by the Smiths, his hair would have looked brown.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
So when the Smiths were discussing height, instead of using the conventional measure of actual height, they decided to collectively adopt the less frequently used measure of 'stooping height'?
That is your take on it. Not mine. The Smiths had a brief look at the man with a girl. How accurate, do you think, their description would be?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 02:48:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 02:41:18 PM
Brückner, currently, looks older than 43. Possibly, in 2007, he looked older than 30. In the dark, as witnessed by the Smiths, his hair would have looked brown.
Keep going down this route and Smithman will end up looking like Jimmy Cranky.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 02:48:55 PM
Keep going down this route and Smithman will end up looking like Jimmy Cranky.
Back to you: keep going down this route and Smithman will end up looking like Piet Pompies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
Back to you: keep going down this route and Smithman will end up looking like Piet Pompies.
Ahh, Piet Pompies, the machiavellian Cape Dune Mole Rat; nemesis of Lodewjk the Scrub Hare of the series 'Tales from the Highveld' (Imka Van den Heever - 1977)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 21, 2020, 03:18:46 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 02:15:05 PM
I don't know what anything is in the gaff any more. Except Rob. Rob's the only constant.
Does anyone actually think this German animal is the culprit, aside from the polizei?
What do you think?  Still convinced it was the ma and pa what dunnit?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 21, 2020, 03:20:28 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 02:27:08 PM
IMO “it looks as though” is debatable as to whether it is opinion or not if it’s followed by a definitive statement and no caveat. The proof of the pudding is in the moderation, but let’s get back on topic. It’s clear that certain posters believe that the German sex offender is responsible for whatever fate befell poor MM. In my opinion it looks as though she died in the apartment. In my opinion if the German sex offender is in some way responsible then it looks as though there is connection between him and Smithman.
Why should there be a connection in your opinion?  Is it because of all the witnesses in this saga Mr Smith’s is the only one you trust to be 100% accurate?  If so why? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 21, 2020, 03:18:46 PM
What do you think?  Still convinced it was the ma and pa what dunnit?
Don't know that either. I do know it would be as heinous and terrible a way to go as is possible, at the hands of a monster, so I'd rather hope that wasn't the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 21, 2020, 03:57:56 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
Don't know that either. I do know it would be as heinous and terrible a way to go as is possible, at the hands of a monster, so I'd rather hope that wasn't the case.

Don't we all ... but at the moment it seems as if the investigation has led police to one of Brueckner's many doors and it has all to be checked out bearing in mind Madeleine is only one of the missing children cases police are checking in relation to him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 21, 2020, 04:23:00 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
Don't know that either. I do know it would be as heinous and terrible a way to go as is possible, at the hands of a monster, so I'd rather hope that wasn't the case.
Yes, well we know most sceptics really hope she fell off a sofa to her death and was tossed in a bin by her parents but that’s entirely beside the point.  It’s about what is most likely not about what we would like.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 02:41:18 PM
Brückner, currently, looks older than 43. Possibly, in 2007, he looked older than 30. In the dark, as witnessed by the Smiths, his hair would have looked brown.

Now you’re simply making it up as you go along. It is said Brueckner could be mistaken for 25 even though he was 30 in 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 06:49:56 PM
Now you’re simply making it up as you go along. It is said Brueckner could be mistaken for 25 even though he was 30 in 2007.
Seems you are doing the same. If you take the effort to look at my original post, Brückner may well be the person encountered by the Smiths. Heri pointed to the fact that the location where camper vans used to park, and I think it may well be of relevance to Brückner on 3 May 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 07:52:18 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 07:34:43 PM
Seems you are doing the same. If you take the effort to look at my original post, Brückner may well be the person encountered by the Smiths. Heri pointed to the fact that the location where camper vans used to park, and I think it may well be of relevance to Brückner on 3 May 2007.

Where camper vans park ? Really ? Brueckner’s camper van ?

Brueckner was too tall to be Smithman...how many ways can this be proved to you ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 07:52:18 PM
Where camper vans park ? Really ? Brueckner’s camper van ?

Brueckner was too tall to be Smithman...how many ways can this be proved to you ?
I don't know, call me retarded, but this prick would literally stand out like a throbbing beacon in the midst of a missing little girl search. In a little town like Luz he'd be getting fingered by every man jack. Let's get it right, even the travelling hobo guitar matted hair man caught heat. The dude who fixed computers got the shepherd's crook. The kid in the supermarket got grief. Every itinerant within a 10 mile radius got shook down.
Don't tell me this dodgy, grimy nonce didn't get his collar felt several times. Don't come here with that shit. Not today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 08:13:58 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 07:52:18 PM
Where camper vans park ? Really ? Brueckner’s camper van ?

Brueckner was too tall to be Smithman...how many ways can this be proved to you ?

In 2007, there was a camper van site, now built up. Refer to picture. ‘Brückner was too tall to be Smithman’? Who is your Smithman?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 08:13:58 PM
In 2007, there was a camper van site, now built up. Refer to picture. ‘Brückner was too tall to be Smithman’? Who is your Smithman?

So there was a camper van site. Is there any evidence that Brueckner ever parked there?

Who is my Smithman ? The one Martin Smith described as 5ft 9in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 21, 2020, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 21, 2020, 07:34:43 PM
Seems you are doing the same. If you take the effort to look at my original post, Brückner may well be the person encountered by the Smiths. Heri pointed to the fact that the location where camper vans used to park, and I think it may well be of relevance to Brückner on 3 May 2007.
But why would Brueckner walk from 5A all that way West with a child who could have woken up terrified and screaming to a campervan which might not have been located there, when his lair was a lot further to the East in the direction that Tannerman was heading?

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 21, 2020, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
I don't know, call me retarded, but this prick would literally stand out like a throbbing beacon in the midst of a missing little girl search. In a little town like Luz he'd be getting fingered by every man jack. Let's get it right, even the travelling hobo guitar matted hair man caught heat. The dude who fixed computers got the shepherd's crook. The kid in the supermarket got grief. Every itinerant within a 10 mile radius got shook down.
Don't tell me this dodgy, grimy nonce didn't get his collar felt several times. Don't come here with that shit. Not today.

Thats what should have happened...But it seems it didnt because its not in the files. He wasnt even considerd because the PJ had decided the parents done it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 21, 2020, 08:34:55 PM
Thats what should have happened...But it seems it didnt because its not in the files. He wasnt even considerd because the PJ had decided the parents done it.
Someone should've given Robert Murat the heads up then, he could have waltzed on out of there like Louie Spence on speed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 21, 2020, 09:50:15 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 08:58:56 PM
Someone should've given Robert Murat the heads up then, he could have waltzed on out of there like Louie Spence on speed.

Murat was interviewed.. CB wasnt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 21, 2020, 09:59:09 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 21, 2020, 08:19:55 PM
But why would Brueckner walk from 5A all that way West with a child who could have woken up terrified and screaming to a campervan which might not have been located there, when his lair was a lot further to the East in the direction that Tannerman was heading?
... and he may very well have had a Jaguar parked within proximity of 5A to take him to his lair.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 10:15:43 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 21, 2020, 09:59:09 PM
... and he may very well have had a Jaguar parked within proximity of 5A to take him to his lair.

And he may very well not have had.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 21, 2020, 09:50:15 PM
Murat was interviewed.. CB wasnt
Come on Dav, you're losing your touch, such as it is.
They processed Murat, which shows a level of rigour you are refuting existed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 21, 2020, 10:38:31 PM
Amaral has dropped a bombshell about CB's campervan (not the Winnebago)

Pictures on here http://textusa.blogspot.com/

I'm not sure where this is all heading.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 21, 2020, 10:40:11 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Come on Dav, you're losing your touch, such as it is.
They processed Murat, which shows a level of rigour you are refuting existed.

Murat was interviewed.. CB wasnt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 10:46:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 21, 2020, 10:40:11 PM
Murat was interviewed.. CB wasnt
So why interview Murat if the PJ had it pinned on the parents?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 10:48:49 PM
https://tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/maddie-mccann/entrevista-a-goncalo-amaral-hoje-no-jornal-das-8
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 21, 2020, 10:49:43 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 10:46:19 PM
So why interview Murat if the PJ had it pinned on the parents?

PJ suspected he'd aided McCanns in cadaver occultation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: misty on June 21, 2020, 10:49:43 PM
PJ suspected he'd aided McCanns in cadaver occultation.

So why arrest Murat months before the parents ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 21, 2020, 10:56:44 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 10:52:54 PM
So why arrest Murat months before the parents ?

Perhaps they were hoping he'd confess to the lesser crime of cadaver occultation so PJ could then deal with the parents. Case closed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: misty on June 21, 2020, 10:56:44 PM
Perhaps they were hoping he'd confess to the lesser crime of cadaver occultation so PJ could then deal with the parents. Case closed.

A lesser crime than what ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 21, 2020, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 21, 2020, 10:58:28 PM
A lesser crime than what ?

Something similar to the Ciprianos or little Mariana I would imagine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 21, 2020, 11:13:42 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
I don't know, call me retarded, but this prick would literally stand out like a throbbing beacon in the midst of a missing little girl search. In a little town like Luz he'd be getting fingered by every man jack. Let's get it right, even the travelling hobo guitar matted hair man caught heat. The dude who fixed computers got the shepherd's crook. The kid in the supermarket got grief. Every itinerant within a 10 mile radius got shook down.
Don't tell me this dodgy, grimy nonce didn't get his collar felt several times. Don't come here with that shit. Not today.
You’re retarded (well you did ask for it).

Christian Brueckner TOLD Portuguese authorities he was a sexual predator a YEAR before Madeleine McCann disappeared but detectives searching for three-year-old 'never considered him a potential kidnapper'


Christian Brueckner TOLD Portuguese authorities he was a sexual predator a YEAR before Madeleine McCann disappeared but detectives searching for three-year-old 'never considered him a potential kidnapper'

EXCLUSIVE: Suspect, 43, told a Portuguese judge he was a s-e-x offender in 2006
But it was not recorded by police and his name was not added to list of offenders
Revelation adds to growing evidence of incompetence of the initial investigation
The Met today hit back at claims they failed to pass letters to the McCann family
It comes as it emerges a friend of Brueckner was convicted of assaulting a girl
That led to suspicions the friend could have been influenced by the predator

By Nick Fagge In Praia Da Luz, Portugal, For Mailonline

Published: 18:46 BST, 19 June 2020 | Updated: 23:57 BST, 19 June 2020

Brueckner told a judge: ‘When I was 17 years old I was convicted in Germany for theft and sexual offences.’

The juvenile criminal fled to Portugal in 1996 shortly after his conviction for the sexual assault of a child in Germany.

But he was arrested in 2006 and later jailed for eight months stealing diesel from commercial trucks.

Details of his confession that he was a sexual predator have emerged in documents of his interview by criminal investigating Judge Antonieta Nascimento in the Portimao court house on 8th April 2006.

His name should have been added to a list held by the Portugal’s investigative Policia Judiciaria [PJ] who were tasked with finding Madeleine McCann just a year later.


Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner admitted to Portuguese authorities that he was a sexual predator a year before she disappeared but detectives searching for the youngster never considered him a potential kidnapper.

Brueckner told an investigating judge that he had a criminal record in Germany and that he had committed s-e-x offences when he interrogated for stealing diesel from commercial trucks in the Algarve in 2006.

However the German’s confession that he was s-e-x offender was not recorded by police and his name was never added to a list of known s-e-x offenders living in the Algarve.

In May 2007 the PJ made a list of all foreign nationals who had been convicted of s-e-x crimes and the abuse of children that lived in the area around Praia da Luz.

Even though Brueckner confessed his sexual criminal past to the judge that interrogated this information was never passed on to the PJ.

The revelation, made today in the Portuguese media, adds to the growing evidence of the incompetence of the initial police investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in May 2007.
(...)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... eared.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 21, 2020, 11:41:09 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445183/I-know-did-Christian-Brueckners-friend-says-German-guilty-taking-Madeline-McCann.html
'I KNOW he did it': Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's friend says the drifter talked of selling children in Morocco
A friend of Christian Brueckner believes the German took Madeline McCann
Michael Tatschl was a cellmate of Brueckner's before their release in 2006
The Austrian carpenter said pervert Brueckner was capable of snatching a child
Mr Tatschl believes Madeline could have been sold to an individual or a sex ring
By ARTHUR MARTIN IN PRAIA DA LUZ FOR THE DAILY MAIL
A close friend and former cellmate of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner declared yesterday: ‘I know he did it.’

Michael Tatschl, who lived with Brueckner in a ramshackle farmhouse near the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, described him as a pervert who was ‘more than capable of snatching a child’.

The Austrian carpenter said his friend bragged about making money by trafficking drugs and burgling apartments, and once talked about ‘selling children to Morocco’.
He thinks Brueckner probably sold Madeleine to another individual – possibly a sex ring.
The pair spent eight months in the same prison after they were caught stealing 320 litres of diesel from lorries in Portugal.

Both were released in December 2006 – five months before three-year-old Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, disappeared from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

Mr Tatschl became convinced of his friend’s involvement after watching an eight-part Netflix documentary on the case last year.

In one episode, a tourist describes how a man fitting Brueckner’s description started acting strangely around her child in Praia da Luz in the days before Madeleine vanished.

Speaking for the first time yesterday, Mr Tatschl revealed that he was grilled for two days about Brueckner last year by police investigating Madeleine’s disappearance.

The father-of-one, who has returned to his homeland, was interviewed for 14 hours by four detectives at a police station in Graz, southern Austria.

Mr Tatschl, 46, said: ‘The detectives were very clear with me from the first minute.

‘They said, “We are investigating Maddie McCann and Christian Brueckner”, and I told them I knew why they were here. I was convinced it was him. I know he did it. I was living with him at the time.

‘He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money.’

He thought Brueckner would be arrested shortly after his police interview and said he ‘cannot believe’ Portuguese detectives have not yet searched the farmhouse they once shared.

‘When I saw the Netflix documentary I knew immediately that he was guilty,’ he said.

‘It was when the female tourist talked about the man turning up at her door where her child was playing, that I knew it was Christian for sure.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 11:41:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 21, 2020, 11:13:42 PM
You’re retarded (well you did ask for it).

Christian Brueckner TOLD Portuguese authorities he was a sexual predator a YEAR before Madeleine McCann disappeared but detectives searching for three-year-old 'never considered him a potential kidnapper'


Christian Brueckner TOLD Portuguese authorities he was a sexual predator a YEAR before Madeleine McCann disappeared but detectives searching for three-year-old 'never considered him a potential kidnapper'

EXCLUSIVE: Suspect, 43, told a Portuguese judge he was a s-e-x offender in 2006
But it was not recorded by police and his name was not added to list of offenders
Revelation adds to growing evidence of incompetence of the initial investigation
The Met today hit back at claims they failed to pass letters to the McCann family
It comes as it emerges a friend of Brueckner was convicted of assaulting a girl
That led to suspicions the friend could have been influenced by the predator

By Nick Fagge In Praia Da Luz, Portugal, For Mailonline

Published: 18:46 BST, 19 June 2020 | Updated: 23:57 BST, 19 June 2020

Brueckner told a judge: ‘When I was 17 years old I was convicted in Germany for theft and sexual offences.’

The juvenile criminal fled to Portugal in 1996 shortly after his conviction for the sexual assault of a child in Germany.

But he was arrested in 2006 and later jailed for eight months stealing diesel from commercial trucks.

Details of his confession that he was a sexual predator have emerged in documents of his interview by criminal investigating Judge Antonieta Nascimento in the Portimao court house on 8th April 2006.

His name should have been added to a list held by the Portugal’s investigative Policia Judiciaria [PJ] who were tasked with finding Madeleine McCann just a year later.


Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner admitted to Portuguese authorities that he was a sexual predator a year before she disappeared but detectives searching for the youngster never considered him a potential kidnapper.

Brueckner told an investigating judge that he had a criminal record in Germany and that he had committed s-e-x offences when he interrogated for stealing diesel from commercial trucks in the Algarve in 2006.

However the German’s confession that he was s-e-x offender was not recorded by police and his name was never added to a list of known s-e-x offenders living in the Algarve.

In May 2007 the PJ made a list of all foreign nationals who had been convicted of s-e-x crimes and the abuse of children that lived in the area around Praia da Luz.

Even though Brueckner confessed his sexual criminal past to the judge that interrogated this information was never passed on to the PJ.

The revelation, made today in the Portuguese media, adds to the growing evidence of the incompetence of the initial police investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in May 2007.
(...)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... eared.html
It was a rhetorical request.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: misty on June 21, 2020, 11:41:09 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445183/I-know-did-Christian-Brueckners-friend-says-German-guilty-taking-Madeline-McCann.html
'I KNOW he did it': Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's friend says the drifter talked of selling children in Morocco
A friend of Christian Brueckner believes the German took Madeline McCann
Michael Tatschl was a cellmate of Brueckner's before their release in 2006
The Austrian carpenter said pervert Brueckner was capable of snatching a child
Mr Tatschl believes Madeline could have been sold to an individual or a sex ring
By ARTHUR MARTIN IN PRAIA DA LUZ FOR THE DAILY MAIL
A close friend and former cellmate of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner declared yesterday: ‘I know he did it.’

Michael Tatschl, who lived with Brueckner in a ramshackle farmhouse near the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, described him as a pervert who was ‘more than capable of snatching a child’.

The Austrian carpenter said his friend bragged about making money by trafficking drugs and burgling apartments, and once talked about ‘selling children to Morocco’.
He thinks Brueckner probably sold Madeleine to another individual – possibly a sex ring.
The pair spent eight months in the same prison after they were caught stealing 320 litres of diesel from lorries in Portugal.

Both were released in December 2006 – five months before three-year-old Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, disappeared from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

Mr Tatschl became convinced of his friend’s involvement after watching an eight-part Netflix documentary on the case last year.

In one episode, a tourist describes how a man fitting Brueckner’s description started acting strangely around her child in Praia da Luz in the days before Madeleine vanished.

Speaking for the first time yesterday, Mr Tatschl revealed that he was grilled for two days about Brueckner last year by police investigating Madeleine’s disappearance.

The father-of-one, who has returned to his homeland, was interviewed for 14 hours by four detectives at a police station in Graz, southern Austria.

Mr Tatschl, 46, said: ‘The detectives were very clear with me from the first minute.

‘They said, “We are investigating Maddie McCann and Christian Brueckner”, and I told them I knew why they were here. I was convinced it was him. I know he did it. I was living with him at the time.

‘He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money.’

He thought Brueckner would be arrested shortly after his police interview and said he ‘cannot believe’ Portuguese detectives have not yet searched the farmhouse they once shared.

‘When I saw the Netflix documentary I knew immediately that he was guilty,’ he said.

‘It was when the female tourist talked about the man turning up at her door where her child was playing, that I knew it was Christian for sure.

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I smell something......horse sh1t.
He only became suspicious after watching Netflix, despite living with him for months 13 years previous? Sit down.
What's in it for him, that's all I want to know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 21, 2020, 11:47:12 PM
https://www.thhttp://miscarriageofjustice.co/Smileys/custom/c033.gifesun.co.uk/news/11919823/drug-dealer-julia-help-solve-madeleine-mccann/

Nick Pisa
21 Jun 2020, 22:20Updated: 21 Jun 2020, 22:20
A DRUG DEALER is being hunted by German cops in connection with Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

She was the dope supplier to prime Madeleine suspect Christian B, 43, from 2007-2008 when he set up a lucrative drugs operation after he fled Portugal.

The Sun exclusively revealed new details of the case last week which involved Christian B buying drugs from a woman called Julia in the Berlin suburb of Oranienburg.

A European Arrest Warrant exclusively obtained by us detailed how he bought two kilos of marijuana from Julia and sold them on with another man called Alexander Zaspel.

Christian B used cash from burglaries committed across the Algarve to fund the deal after he skipped back to his Germany just days after Madeleine disappeared in 2007.

Prosecutor Stephanie Gropp told The Sun: "Julia was never traced because the suspect refused to reveal any details and it was also possibly an alias.


'SHE WAS NEVER TRACED'
“It’s possible that he told her something of what he was doing in Portugal.

"He had close contact with her shortly after he returned from Portugal for many months.

“At the time of the investigation an attempt was made to find her but she was never traced and the defendant refused to talk about her.”

His trial heard he bought 32,000 Euros (£29,000) worth of marijuana from Julia over a period of several months from late 2007 until the spring of 2008.

Scotland
Christian B was eventually convicted in 2011 by a court in Niebüll, northern Germany and given 21 months while Zaspel was sentenced to six months.

A police source in Flensburg, the area that investigated the case, said: "Julia was a key part of the investigation but never traced and it’s possible she is unwilling to come forward because she fears prosecution over drugs dealing.

“It would be good to speak with her as she may have vital details of Christian B’s time in Portugal after Madeleine was taken.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 21, 2020, 11:51:18 PM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 11:46:15 PM
I smell something......horse sh1t.
He only became suspicious after watching Netflix, despite living with him for months 13 years previous? Sit down.
What's in it for him, that's all I want to know.
The old friend probably doesn't want to be incriminated in a crime he played no part.
I'm more interested in the people desperate to prove CB wasn't involved in Madeleine's abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 21, 2020, 11:55:21 PM
Quote from: misty on June 21, 2020, 11:51:18 PM
The old friend probably doesn't want to be incriminated in a crime he played no part.
I'm more interested in the people desperate to prove CB wasn't involved in Madeleine's abduction.
Bully for you.
More like he's shitting his kecks because he's petrified he'll get pinned for more than just a bit of fuel theft.
That and the inevitable 500 euro kick back he may or may not have been given.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 22, 2020, 12:22:02 AM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 11:55:21 PM
Bully for you.
More like he's shitting his kecks because he's petrified he'll get pinned for more than just a bit of fuel theft.
That and the inevitable 500 euro kick back he may or may not have been given.

Unless he's left saliva containing breast milk on a bedspread in 5A then it's highly unlikely he's petrified of anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 12:48:31 AM
Quote from: misty on June 21, 2020, 11:51:18 PM
The old friend probably doesn't want to be incriminated in a crime he played no part.
I'm more interested in the people desperate to prove CB wasn't involved in Madeleine's abduction.
I can understand why this one wants to shut down any suggestion that Christian Brueckner or any other predatory criminal might have been involved in Madeleine's kidnapping that it has driven him out from whatever rock he has been hiding under of late.

Snip
The former inspector of the PJ considers that Christian Brueckner, the German man appointed as a formal suspect in the case, is "a scapegoat" because it is necessary "a figure that fits the profile to take the blame".

It doesn't matter who the pedophile is. What we have been watching over the years is that pedophiles appear, it is necessary to have a figure that, due to the profile, due to the proximity, that fits to take the blame " , he stressed.

For Gonçalo Amaral, the suspect, who is imprisoned in Germany, is, in fact, "the almost perfect suspect".

He is an almost perfect suspect, he just needs one thing to be perfect, which is to be dead ", he stressed.

https://tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/maddie/goncalo-amaral-revela-fotos-que-diz-serem-da-van-do-suspeito-nas-quais-o-veiculo-esta-diferente
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 22, 2020, 12:57:32 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 12:48:31 AM
I can understand why this one wants to shut down any suggestion that Christian Brueckner or any other predatory criminal might have been involved in Madeleine's kidnapping that it has driven him out from whatever rock he has been hiding under of late.

Snip
The former inspector of the PJ considers that Christian Brueckner, the German man appointed as a formal suspect in the case, is "a scapegoat" because it is necessary "a figure that fits the profile to take the blame".

It doesn't matter who the pedophile is. What we have been watching over the years is that pedophiles appear, it is necessary to have a figure that, due to the profile, due to the proximity, that fits to take the blame " , he stressed.

For Gonçalo Amaral, the suspect, who is imprisoned in Germany, is, in fact, "the almost perfect suspect".

He is an almost perfect suspect, he just needs one thing to be perfect, which is to be dead ", he stressed.

https://tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/maddie/goncalo-amaral-revela-fotos-que-diz-serem-da-van-do-suspeito-nas-quais-o-veiculo-esta-diferente

IMO Amaral is attempting to rewrite evidential history as he appears to be claiming the Germans have either tested the wrong vehicle or manipulated photos of it as it appeared in 2007.
 I wonder how the INML managed to separate the mother's DNA in the breast milk from the baby's DNA in the saliva back in 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 01:08:51 AM
Quote from: misty on June 22, 2020, 12:57:32 AM
IMO Amaral is attempting to rewrite evidential history as he appears to be claiming the Germans have either tested the wrong vehicle or manipulated photos of it as it appeared in 2007.
 I wonder how the INML managed to separate the mother's DNA in the breast milk from the baby's DNA in the saliva back in 2007?
I didn't know that, Misty.  I thought they had only found Charlie's saliva back then.

I've got to admit to wondering the how and why of Amaral's photo detailing a different van for Christian Brueckner than the ones we have seen.
Gets more interesting by the minute.

Amendment
AAAAHH ... I get you now Misty.  I hadn't watched the attached video because I don't have Portuguese.  He certainly is fine tuning the evidential history to suit his narrative.  And doesn't the interviewer  look most uncomfortable as he appears to try to jog him into 2020 with the rest of us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 22, 2020, 01:10:16 AM
Quote from: misty on June 21, 2020, 11:51:18 PM
The old friend probably doesn't want to be incriminated in a crime he played no part.
I'm more interested in the people desperate to prove CB wasn't involved in Madeleine's abduction.

Two issues here.

Firstly, I think you'll find the onus is on those accusing CB to prove he was actually involved.

And secondly, what abduction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 22, 2020, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 01:08:51 AM
I didn't know that, Misty.  I thought they had only found Charlie's saliva back then.

I've got to admit to wondering the how and why of Amaral's photo detailing a different van for Christian Brueckner than the ones we have seen.
Gets more interesting by the minute.

Amaral is now claiming the sample is baby's saliva containing breast milk so there would have been 2 sets of DNA present if 2 different body fluids were identified.
I must admit to having flashbacks of the Leonor Cipriano photoshop affair upon seeing the doodling adorning the van.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 22, 2020, 01:25:56 AM
Quote from: misty on June 21, 2020, 11:00:10 PM
Something similar to the Ciprianos or little Mariana I would imagine.

What murder ? You do know they don’t do deals in Portugal, don’t you ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 22, 2020, 01:31:39 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 22, 2020, 01:10:16 AM
Two issues here.

Firstly, I think you'll find the onus is on those accusing CB to prove he was actually involved.

And secondly, what abduction?

Firstly I think you'll find the German police have to complete their investigation before they decide whether or not to question CB.
Secondly, the worst-case stranger abduction scenario the Germans are currently pursuing - the outcome no-one would have wanted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 22, 2020, 01:48:56 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 22, 2020, 01:25:56 AM
What murder ? You do know they don’t do deals in Portugal, don’t you ?

Really? Which ex-PJ Inspector who must have known Portuguese law wrote this?
*snipped*
"For hours, the questions followed one another, and Kate reached emotional peaks several times. A confession is proposed to her, with the explanation that the penal context is more favourable in such cases. This is done to ensure that an exit is offered to a person who is feeling trapped.

The entire situation is explained, so the potential criminal does not feel that there are still secrets in store that could compromise him or her.

Madeleine's mother is confronted with everything that there is, for eight hours. All the inconsistencies in the witness statements, the timings of the alleged checks on the apartments, the drinks that were consumed at dinner. She did not give in. She was even indignant about certain questions. She never broke or recognized any guilt, except for the one that she felt about leaving her children alone in the apartment while she went to dinner."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 01:58:24 AM
Quote from: misty on June 22, 2020, 01:23:42 AM
Amaral is now claiming the sample is baby's saliva containing breast milk so there would have been 2 sets of DNA present if 2 different body fluids were identified.
I must admit to having flashbacks of the Leonor Cipriano photoshop affair upon seeing the doodling adorning the van.

Amazing that not only is Amaral continuing to promote the flawed narrative which set the police off on entirely the wrong tack ... he is continuing to embellish it.

In 2007 he had an excuse.  The Court seems to have been remiss in passing on Brueckmer's history of child sexual offences, so easy to have overlooked him particularly if you weren't looking for someone like him.

Absolutely no excuse now in the light of present revelations regarding Bruekner and his acceptance that he fits the profile of the guy he should have been looking for in 2007, Amaral is continuing his myopic bungling and name calling.

The painted van is a classic I think.  Ranking alongside the old lady and the cremation saga.  It will be interesting to see how or if the story of Amaral's input develops.  I don't 'do' twitter but from what I know it should be wild later on today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 02:12:35 AM
Amaral did know about Brueckner's sordid past in 2007.  Unbelievable!

Snip

Pressed on what Portuguese police knew about Brueckner's past around the time Madeleine disappeared, he appeared to admit Algarve authorities were aware of his 1994 teenage sexual conviction for molesting a six-year-old girl by confessing: 'At the time all we knew was that this man was a paedophile.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445467/Maddie-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-scapegoat-says-Portuguese-detective.html

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 22, 2020, 02:14:59 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 01:58:24 AM
Amazing that not only is Amaral continuing to promote the flawed narrative which set the police off on entirely the wrong tack ... he is continuing to embellish it.

In 2007 he had an excuse.  The Court seems to have been remiss in passing on Brueckmer's history of child sexual offences, so easy to have overlooked him particularly if you weren't looking for someone like him.

Absolutely no excuse now in the light of present revelations regarding Bruekner and his acceptance that he fits the profile of the guy he should have been looking for in 2007, Amaral is continuing his myopic bungling and name calling.

The painted van is a classic I think.  Ranking alongside the old lady and the cremation saga.  It will be interesting to see how or if the story of Amaral's input develops.  I don't 'do' twitter but from what I know it should be wild later on today.

I'm pretty sure Joana Morais will provide an English transcipt of the TVI interview for us on Twitter in the near future. The Daily Mail has reported that Amaral seemed to confess that the PJ knew CB was a paedophile during their initial investigation into Madeleine's disappearance. Perhaps that information was filed in the same place as Dr. Totman's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 22, 2020, 06:23:52 AM
Quote from: misty on June 21, 2020, 11:51:18 PM
The old friend probably doesn't want to be incriminated in a crime he played no part.
I'm more interested in the people desperate to prove CB wasn't involved in Madeleine's abduction.
So The perfect suspect is found,just can't pin the tail on this particular Donkey though,but the Lead investigators the brit press have him nailed on as a cert,still no charges yet,won't be long,just need the press to finish their investigations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 22, 2020, 06:26:18 AM
Quote from: misty on June 22, 2020, 02:14:59 AM
I'm pretty sure Joana Morais will provide an English transcipt of the TVI interview for us on Twitter in the near future. The Daily Mail has reported that Amaral seemed to confess that the PJ knew CB was a paedophile during their initial investigation into Madeleine's disappearance. Perhaps that information was filed in the same place as Dr. Totman's.
Seek and ye shall find.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 07:15:28 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 22, 2020, 06:23:52 AM
So The perfect suspect is found,just can't pin the tail on this particular Donkey though,but the Lead investigators the brit press have him nailed on as a cert,still no charges yet,won't be long,just need the press to finish their investigations.
Not just the Brit press - I wonder how the McCanns managed to convince the PT press (and the rest of the world’s press) to go down this alley as well.  Must be being funded by the High-Ups, or perhaps Boris has leant on them.   Still, it won’t be long before the McCanns are banged up for body occultation annd you and Amaral will be vindicated.  Tick-tock...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 22, 2020, 07:42:16 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2020, 11:47:43 PM
You’ve said no one else knew that the parents routinely left Madeleine alone in the evenings despite also knowing full well that the restaurant staff knew this as well.  Why?

I went over all this when I was posting regularly on MM. 

The restaurant staff knew the children were not present.  Some or all of the staff may have had knowledge of the entry in the reservations book about parents checking on children but this wouldn't necessarily mean a sitter and/or monitor wasn't in situ and they certainly wouldn't know 5a was unsecured.

Wedded to my theory as it ticks all the boxes  ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 22, 2020, 07:47:02 AM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
I don't know, call me retarded, but this prick would literally stand out like a throbbing beacon in the midst of a missing little girl search. In a little town like Luz he'd be getting fingered by every man jack. Let's get it right, even the travelling hobo guitar matted hair man caught heat. The dude who fixed computers got the shepherd's crook. The kid in the supermarket got grief. Every itinerant within a 10 mile radius got shook down.
Don't tell me this dodgy, grimy nonce didn't get his collar felt several times. Don't come here with that shit. Not today.

My sentiments exactly but I don't have your way with words! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 07:55:25 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 22, 2020, 07:42:16 AM
I went over all this when I was posting regularly on MM. 

The restaurant staff knew the children were not present.  Some or all of the staff may have had knowledge of the entry in the reservations book about parents checking on children but this wouldn't necessarily mean a sitter and/or monitor wasn't in situ and they certainly wouldn't know 5a was unsecured.

Wedded to my theory as it ticks all the boxes  ?>)()<
The post of yours I commented on claimed only your “perps” would have known the kids were home alone.  Thanks for admitting you were mistaken.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 08:19:25 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 22, 2020, 07:47:02 AM
My sentiments exactly but I don't have your way with words!
Out of interest what boxes does Bruckner fail to tick for you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 22, 2020, 08:23:24 AM
Quote from: The General on June 21, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
I don't know, call me retarded, but this prick would literally stand out like a throbbing beacon in the midst of a missing little girl search. In a little town like Luz he'd be getting fingered by every man jack. Let's get it right, even the travelling hobo guitar matted hair man caught heat. The dude who fixed computers got the shepherd's crook. The kid in the supermarket got grief. Every itinerant within a 10 mile radius got shook down.
Don't tell me this dodgy, grimy nonce didn't get his collar felt several times. Don't come here with that shit. Not today.
To top it all where's his surfboard,with wheels that he has supposed to have it's gotta have a board man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 22, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 08:19:25 AM
Out of interest what boxes does Bruckner fail to tick for you?
Which boxes? If we can't decide on the means by which she disappeared, we can't decide the boxes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 09:03:41 AM
Quote from: The General on June 22, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
Which boxes? If we can't decide on the means by which she disappeared, we can't decide the boxes.

it looks as though abduction by a burglar paedophile is top of the list and it looks highly likely they have found him.
i apologise for any upset and anxiety this post mey cause to those blaming Maddies parents for the past 13 years...help must be available somewhere for them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 22, 2020, 09:05:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 09:03:41 AM
it looks as though abduction by a burglar paedophile is top of the list and it looks highly likely they have found him.
i apologise for any upset and anxiety this post mey cause to thos ebalming Maddies parents for the past 13 yeras...help must be available somewhere for them.
Don't apologise to whoever that was supposed to be directed at.......come on Dav, turn your keyboard back around and give us a fighting chance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 09:11:50 AM
Speaking for the first time yesterday, Mr Tatschl revealed that he was grilled for two days about Brueckner last year by police investigating Madeleine's disappearance.

The father-of-one, who has returned to his homeland, was interviewed for 14 hours by four detectives at a police station in Graz, southern Austria.

Mr Tatschl, 46, said: 'The detectives were very clear with me from the first minute.

'They said, 'We are investigating Maddie McCann and Christian Brueckner', and I told them I knew why they were here. I was convinced it was him. I know he did it. I was living with him at the time.

'He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money.'

He thought Brueckner would be arrested shortly after his police interview and said he 'cannot believe' Portuguese detectives have not yet searched the farmhouse they once shared.

'When I saw the Netflix documentary I knew immediately that he was guilty,' he said.

'It was when the female tourist talked about the man turning up at her door where her child was playing, that I knew it was Christian for sure.

'She described him as a creepy guy with acne and blond hair, which fits his description.'

Mr Tatschl said he decided against calling the authorities after watching the documentary because of his dislike of the police and his criminal past.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445183/I-know-did-Christian-Brueckners-friend-says-German-guilty-taking-Madeleine-McCann.html

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 09:18:06 AM
Quote from: The General on June 22, 2020, 09:05:40 AM
Don't apologise to whoever that was supposed to be directed at.......come on Dav, turn your keyboard back around and give us a fighting chance.
the fightings over General
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 09:18:18 AM
'I KNOW he did it': Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's friend says the drifter talked of selling children in Morocco

He said Brueckner, now 43, was 'definitely quite a strange character' who 'liked to brag about the crimes he had done and planned to do'. His aim was to steal as much money as he could until he reached his dream of having a million euros.

'It was rich pickings in Praia da Luz,' he said. 'He was always breaking into apartments in the area and bragging about it to me. He was a very good burglar and would easily climb up to first floor apartments when tourists were out.

'He would steal lots of money, valuables and so many passports. In fact hundreds of passports and lots of Rolexes and other expensive watches.'

Mr Tatschl said Brueckner hid his stolen loot in the rafters of his farmhouse, which overlooks Praia da Luz.

While he was in prison, the convicted sex offender asked a German friend to remove the haul from the rafters and keep it in a safe place so the police would not find it.

But the friend decided to keep the stolen valuables, Mr Tatschl said. The friend also found a video of Brueckner raping and beating an older woman while she was chained to a post.

Mr Tatschl said: 'That's how I found out he was sick. I told the police all about that. Christian was always on the dark web. I don't know exactly what he did but I suspect it involved drugs and pornography.

'He was always bragging about making money. He even talked about selling kids maybe to Morocco, and I think he probably sold Maddie to someone – maybe a sex ring.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445183/I-know-did-Christian-Brueckners-friend-says-German-guilty-taking-Madeleine-McCann.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 22, 2020, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 09:18:06 AM
the fightings over General
Wait, what? [tentatively climbs out of foxhole covered in Panda faeces]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 22, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 09:18:06 AM
the fightings over General

Where's the charges ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 09:52:31 AM


I can see it's a dilemma for those who are certain the McCanns are innocent. The emergence of a new prime suspect is to be welcomed, but the suggestion of death occurring in 2007 isn't. I see the press are trying to solve this problem by suggesting Madeleine was sold on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on June 22, 2020, 09:54:48 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 09:52:31 AM
I can see it's a dilemma for those who are certain the McCanns are innocent. The emergence of a new prime suspect is to be welcomed, but the suggestion of death occurring in 2007 isn't. I see the press are trying to solve this problem by suggesting Madeleine was sold on.

right as  you know  i dont think they are but you get my point
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 22, 2020, 10:08:10 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 09:52:31 AM
I can see it's a dilemma for those who are certain the McCanns are innocent. The emergence of a new prime suspect is to be welcomed, but the suggestion of death occurring in 2007 isn't. I see the press are trying to solve this problem by suggesting Madeleine was sold on.

I can't see how that can be considered any more desirable.
The market for 'hot kids' isn't going to be huge and the outcome equally grim.
IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 10:14:29 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 22, 2020, 10:08:10 AM
I can't see how that can be considered any more desirable.
The market for 'hot kids' isn't going to be huge and the outcome equally grim.
IMO

On the other hand the story can continue even if someone is convicted of abducting her. "The search" can continue, and so can the sales generated by the story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 22, 2020, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 09:52:31 AM
I can see it's a dilemma for those who are certain the McCanns are innocent. The emergence of a new prime suspect is to be welcomed, but the suggestion of death occurring in 2007 isn't. I see the press are trying to solve this problem by suggesting Madeleine was sold on.

Now ain't that the truth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 22, 2020, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 10:14:29 AM
On the other hand the story can continue even if someone is convicted of abducting her. "The search" can continue, and so can the sales generated by the story.

True enough.
I was trying to view it from a supporters' viewpoint, rather than a commercial one
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 22, 2020, 10:22:20 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 09:52:31 AM
I can see it's a dilemma for those who are certain the McCanns are innocent. The emergence of a new prime suspect is to be welcomed, but the suggestion of death occurring in 2007 isn't. I see the press are trying to solve this problem by suggesting Madeleine was sold on.
I would suggest the McCanns have been down this road a few times; quite possibly having been briefed on this miscreant previously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on June 22, 2020, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 22, 2020, 10:19:55 AM
Now ain't that the truth.

the  newspapers   and lots of other people have made lots of money  out of  maddies  vanshing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 10:29:14 AM
Reminder the topic is - New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.  Thank you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 22, 2020, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: misty on June 22, 2020, 01:48:56 AM
Really? Which ex-PJ Inspector who must have known Portuguese law wrote this?
*snipped*
"For hours, the questions followed one another, and Kate reached emotional peaks several times. A confession is proposed to her, with the explanation that the penal context is more favourable in such cases. This is done to ensure that an exit is offered to a person who is feeling trapped.

The entire situation is explained, so the potential criminal does not feel that there are still secrets in store that could compromise him or her.

Madeleine's mother is confronted with everything that there is, for eight hours. All the inconsistencies in the witness statements, the timings of the alleged checks on the apartments, the drinks that were consumed at dinner. She did not give in. She was even indignant about certain questions. She never broke or recognized any guilt, except for the one that she felt about leaving her children alone in the apartment while she went to dinner."

Was she offered a lesser charge for a confession?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 22, 2020, 10:48:58 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 09:18:18 AM
'I KNOW he did it': Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's friend says the drifter talked of selling children in Morocco

He said Brueckner, now 43, was 'definitely quite a strange character' who 'liked to brag about the crimes he had done and planned to do'. His aim was to steal as much money as he could until he reached his dream of having a million euros.

'It was rich pickings in Praia da Luz,' he said. 'He was always breaking into apartments in the area and bragging about it to me. He was a very good burglar and would easily climb up to first floor apartments when tourists were out.

'He would steal lots of money, valuables and so many passports. In fact hundreds of passports and lots of Rolexes and other expensive watches.'

Mr Tatschl said Brueckner hid his stolen loot in the rafters of his farmhouse, which overlooks Praia da Luz.

While he was in prison, the convicted sex offender asked a German friend to remove the haul from the rafters and keep it in a safe place so the police would not find it.

But the friend decided to keep the stolen valuables, Mr Tatschl said. The friend also found a video of Brueckner raping and beating an older woman while she was chained to a post.

Mr Tatschl said: 'That's how I found out he was sick. I told the police all about that. Christian was always on the dark web. I don't know exactly what he did but I suspect it involved drugs and pornography.

'He was always bragging about making money. He even talked about selling kids maybe to Morocco, and I think he probably sold Maddie to someone – maybe a sex ring.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445183/I-know-did-Christian-Brueckners-friend-says-German-guilty-taking-Madeleine-McCann.html

And how do you want the payment for your story Mr Tatschi..cash or cheque?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 22, 2020, 10:53:42 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 22, 2020, 10:48:58 AM
And how do you want the payment for your story Mr Tatschi..cash or cheque?
Keeeerchinggg......
He'll be getting wheeled round the circuit for a week or so, then discarded.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: misty on June 22, 2020, 01:48:56 AM
Really? Which ex-PJ Inspector who must have known Portuguese law wrote this?
*snipped*
"For hours, the questions followed one another, and Kate reached emotional peaks several times. A confession is proposed to her, with the explanation that the penal context is more favourable in such cases. This is done to ensure that an exit is offered to a person who is feeling trapped.

The entire situation is explained, so the potential criminal does not feel that there are still secrets in store that could compromise him or her.

Madeleine's mother is confronted with everything that there is, for eight hours. All the inconsistencies in the witness statements, the timings of the alleged checks on the apartments, the drinks that were consumed at dinner. She did not give in. She was even indignant about certain questions. She never broke or recognized any guilt, except for the one that she felt about leaving her children alone in the apartment while she went to dinner."

Where was that written Misty?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 22, 2020, 10:55:51 AM
Quote from: The General on June 22, 2020, 10:53:42 AM
Keeeerchinggg......
He'll be getting wheeled round the circuit for a week or so, then discarded.

How many ex friends does he have? the named, unnamed German that is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 22, 2020, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 22, 2020, 10:55:51 AM
How many ex friends does he have? the named, unnamed German that is.
....none of them decided any of this was pertinent at the time, which is odd.
Mr. Taschi doesn't even have a first name apparently. Maybe he's a karate guru who deploys unorthodox, but effective training techniques.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 22, 2020, 11:00:50 AM
Quote from: The General on June 22, 2020, 10:58:30 AM
....none of them decided any of this was pertinent at the time, which is odd.
Mr. Taschi doesn't even have a first name apparently. Maybe he's a karate guru who deploys unorthodox, but effective training techniques.

Perhaps the news on Madeleine's disappearance has only just reached certain quarters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 22, 2020, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 21, 2020, 08:21:05 AM
I have to agree that "it looks as though the Germans with the help of Scotland Yard have found the real culprit" and it certainly seems as if there are those who don't think he's too bad a chap.
Certainly not those who, as reported on the forum, were discussing on social media setting up a fund to pay for his defence.  Wonder how that went?


Yard have found the real culprit




Strange IMO a pedo goes to all that trouble to abduct a three-year-old - not really the norm is it. B

Although nearly four IIRC Maddie was small for her age.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 11:33:47 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 22, 2020, 11:18:32 AM

Yard have found the real culprit




Strange IMO a pedo goes to all that trouble to abduct a three-year-old - not really the norm is it. B

Although nearly four IIRC Maddie was small for her age.

It's not the norm to rape a 72 yr old.... What makes you think any sex crime is normal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 22, 2020, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 11:33:47 AM
It's not the norm to rape a 72 yr old.... What makes you think any sex crime is normal

Their usual victim is not a 3-year-old.

Not in any way I agree with it - but a 72-year-old is a grown-up - not a very small child/toddler

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 22, 2020, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 11:33:47 AM
It's not the norm to rape a 72 yr old.... What makes you think any sex crime is normal

It's not the norm for a sexual deviant to have unhealthy interests in very young girls MM's age and 72 year olds at the other end of the spectrum.  Moreover we are led to believe by an ex girlfriend, albeit via the tabloids, who at the time of the relationship was a couple of years older than CB that their sex life was 'normal'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: mrswah on June 22, 2020, 12:21:38 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 22, 2020, 11:57:46 AM
It's not the norm for a sexual deviant to have unhealthy interests in very young girls MM's age and 72 year olds at the other end of the spectrum.  Moreover we are led to believe by an ex girlfriend, albeit via the tabloids, who at the time of the relationship was a couple of years older than CB that their sex life was 'normal'.


I expect sexual deviants are capable of having "normal" relationships when they choose to. If they weren't, all their regular partners would be lining up to report them to the police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: mrswah on June 22, 2020, 12:21:38 PM

I expect sexual deviants are capable of having "normal" relationships when they choose to. If they weren't, all their regular partners would be lining up to report them to the police.

It seems he beat them all balck and blue and god knows what else...but it seems they were terrified of him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 12:29:32 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 22, 2020, 11:57:46 AM
It's not the norm for a sexual deviant to have unhealthy interests in very young girls MM's age and 72 year olds at the other end of the spectrum.  Moreover we are led to believe by an ex girlfriend, albeit via the tabloids, who at the time of the relationship was a couple of years older than CB that their sex life was 'normal'.

it ceratinly isnt normal but we know he raped a 72 yr old and that he had convictions for paedophilia....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 22, 2020, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: mrswah on June 22, 2020, 12:21:38 PM

I expect sexual deviants are capable of having "normal" relationships when they choose to. If they weren't, all their regular partners would be lining up to report them to the police.

I don't know about that.  It seems he beat his girlfriends,  it's all to do with power.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 10:55:45 AM
Where was that written Misty?

There was a book which was written as a work of fiction but of which I have seen it said gives a fairly accurate reflection of how Madeleine's case was conducted.

And the author thought so too.  "Due to legal issues, it cannot be me, the author, to tell you what the truth, the truth of the case, is; but I can assure you that you can find it here, among the lines of this book."

The author's book was a best seller.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 22, 2020, 01:03:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 12:59:52 PM
There was a book which was written as a work of fiction but of which I have seen it said gives a fairly accurate reflection of how Madeleine's case was conducted.

And the author thought so too.  "Due to legal issues, it cannot be me, the author, to tell you what the truth, the truth of the case, is; but I can assure you that you can find it here, among the lines of this book."

The author's book was a best seller.

Are you not drifting off topic ? See your post 3004
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 12:59:52 PM
There was a book which was written as a work of fiction but of which I have seen it said gives a fairly accurate reflection of how Madeleine's case was conducted.

And the author thought so too.  "Due to legal issues, it cannot be me, the author, to tell you what the truth, the truth of the case, is; but I can assure you that you can find it here, among the lines of this book."

The author's book was a best seller.

Who wrote the book?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 22, 2020, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 01:52:54 PM
Who wrote the book?

Ex-PJ Inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao. You can read a translation of the full book here. https://themaddiecasefiles.com/viewtopic.php?p=172566#p172566

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 22, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 22, 2020, 12:52:26 PM
I don't know about that.  It seems he beat his girlfriends,  it's all to do with power.


That's what my point has been in other posts - how do you need power over a three-year-old.

Older people you can gain power - not toddlers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: misty on June 22, 2020, 01:58:31 PM
Ex-PJ Inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao. You can read a translation of the full book here. https://themaddiecasefiles.com/viewtopic.php?p=172566#p172566

Thank you, Misty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: misty on June 22, 2020, 01:58:31 PM
Ex-PJ Inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao. You can read a translation of the full book here. https://themaddiecasefiles.com/viewtopic.php?p=172566#p172566

Thank you Misty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 22, 2020, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 21, 2020, 08:21:05 AM
I have to agree that "it looks as though the Germans with the help of Scotland Yard have found the real culprit" and it certainly seems as if there are those who don't think he's too bad a chap.
Certainly not those who, as reported on the forum, were discussing on social media setting up a fund to pay for his defence.  Wonder how that went?

I have to agree that "it looks as though the Germans with the help of Scotland Yard have found the real culprit



With the help of Scotland yard - well good luck with that one B @)(++(*

They can't even agree if it was one letter or two - or what was in it FGS


Scotland Yard and German federal investigators in row over Madeleine McCann as Met Police say they were only sent ONE letter and it did NOT mention proof of missing girl's death

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8440359/Scotland-Yard-deny-theyve-failed-hand-letters-Madeleine-McCanns-parents.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 06:08:12 PM
Quote from: The General on June 22, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
Which boxes? If we can't decide on the means by which she disappeared, we can't decide the boxes.
Butt out, question was to Holly who talked about boxes, her frigging boxes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 22, 2020, 09:52:31 AM

I can see it's a dilemma for those who are certain the McCanns are innocent. The emergence of a new prime suspect is to be welcomed, but the suggestion of death occurring in 2007 isn't. I see the press are trying to solve this problem by suggesting Madeleine was sold on.
What on earth are you on about?  What dilemma?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 22, 2020, 07:24:17 PM
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-top-court-to-rule-on-maddie-suspects-release/a-53901732
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 06:09:28 PM
What on earth are you on about?  What dilemma?
and denial ....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 07:37:51 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
and denial ....

perhaps you could point out the dilemma and denial....in your opinion

I think its almost certain death occurred in 2007...no dilemma...no denial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 07:40:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 07:37:51 PM
perhaps you could point out the dolemma and denial....in your opinion
Now that there is a suspect, this creates a dilemma, and if you deny there is a dilemma you must be in denial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 07:44:46 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 22, 2020, 03:56:01 PM
I have to agree that "it looks as though the Germans with the help of Scotland Yard have found the real culprit



With the help of Scotland yard - well good luck with that one B @)(++(*

They can't even agree if it was one letter or two - or what was in it FGS


Scotland Yard and German federal investigators in row over Madeleine McCann as Met Police say they were only sent ONE letter and it did NOT mention proof of missing girl's death

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8440359/Scotland-Yard-deny-theyve-failed-hand-letters-Madeleine-McCanns-parents.html

As far as SY are concerned they state it's still a missing person investigation.... so much for helping to nail "the real culprit"!! (imo!!!!)

I would not be surprised if the German sex offender goes the same way as Epstein.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 07:52:46 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 07:40:38 PM
Now that there is a suspect, this creates a dilemma, and if you deny there is a dilemma you must be in denial.
Absolute rubbish. You claim Im in a dilemma...Im not. Your whole post seems to want to claim you know how I think...you dont. why on erath should  a suspect create a dilemma...Ive been saying maddie was abducted...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 07:53:43 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 07:40:38 PM
Now that there is a suspect, this creates a dilemma, and if you deny there is a dilemma you must be in denial.
That is nonsensical, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 07:54:34 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 07:44:46 PM
As far as SY are concerned they state it's still a missing person investigation.... so much for helping to nail "the real culprit"!! (imo!!!!)

I would not be surprised if the German sex offender goes the same way as Epstein.

it is  a missing person investiagtion until it can be proived maddie is dead...whats difficult to understand about that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 22, 2020, 07:24:17 PM
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-top-court-to-rule-on-maddie-suspects-release/a-53901732
I’m guessing quite a few people on here are hoping he’s released.  I wonder how long before we know?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 07:55:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 07:53:43 PM
That is nonsensical, IMO.

as rob is accusing me of being in a dillemma ..I dont need an IMO...he does. His post is total nonsense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 07:57:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 07:52:46 PM
...Ive been saying maddie was abducted...

But what evidence is there for this opinion? Granted she's "missing"... but there are other scenarios. Even CM conceded that stranger abduction is "rare". Therefore it stands to reason that other less rare scenarios should not be discounted. We must only be guided by the evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 08:00:23 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 07:57:53 PM
But what evidence is there for this opinion? Granted she's "missing"... but there are other scenarios. Even CM conceded that stranger abduction is "rare". Therefore it stands to reason that other less rare scenarios should not be discounted. We must only be guided by the evidence.

Ive tried on many occasions to show why the evidence points to abduction...no one will try to debate...so lets try you..

What are the odds the mccanns are involved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:09:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 07:54:34 PM
it is  a missing person investiagtion until it can be proived maddie is dead...whats difficult to understand about that

Nothing!! But if you follow the story the Germans were reportedly saying they had sent two letters and that they had "proof" that Madeleine was dead. SY said they recieved no such thing.... so it can hardly be claimed that between them they've nailed "the real culprit", imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 08:15:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 07:52:46 PM
Absolute rubbish. You claim Im in a dilemma...Im not. Your whole post seems to want to claim you know how I think...you dont. why on erath should  a suspect create a dilemma...Ive been saying maddie was abducted...

Don't take what I said personally.  I didn't have you in mind at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 08:16:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 07:53:43 PM
That is nonsensical, IMO.
OK but some others are getting it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:17:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:00:23 PM
Ive tried on many occasions to show why the evidence points to abduction...no one will try to debate...so lets try you..

What are the odds the mccanns are involved

Odds are not evidence....  Where's the evidence that she was abducted?.... Smithman would be a good starting point - though sadly not for CM who ignored the sighting for weeks, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 08:18:32 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 08:16:21 PM
OK but some others are getting it.
What is it you think they afe getting?  What exactly is this dilemma facing those who think Madeleine was abducted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 08:18:40 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:09:26 PM
Nothing!! But if you follow the story the Germans were reportedly saying they had sent two letters and that they had "proof" that Madeleine was dead. SY said they recieved no such thing.... so it can hardly be claimed that between them they've nailed "the real culprit", imo.

cite for proof maddie was dead...could you try and stick to the facts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 08:21:10 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:17:42 PM
Odds are not evidence....  Where's the evidence that she was abducted?.... Smithman would be a good starting point - though sadly not for CM who ignored the sighting for weeks, imo.

its obvious im wasting my time with some one who doesnt understand evidence. there is no proof maddie is alive but the odds of her being alive are remote,,,,thats evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 07:55:45 PM
as rob is accusing me of being in a dillemma ..I dont need an IMO...he does. His post is total nonsense
Where is your IMO after "His post is total nonsense"?   

Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 08:18:32 PM
What is it you think they afe getting?  What exactly is this dilemma facing those who think Madeleine was abducted?
No, I think the dilemma is in those who felt she wasn't abducted. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:23:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:18:40 PM
cite for proof maddie was dead...could you try and stick to the facts

I said "reportedly" claimed they had proof she was dead... I'm sure you read the media reports (there's numerous to choose from) such as:

"PROSECUTORS in Germany have written to Kate and Gerry McCann to tell them Madeleine is dead.

They have “concrete evidence” suspect Christian B killed her but cannot yet reveal details."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 08:24:44 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 08:22:32 PM
Where is your IMO after "His post is total nonsense"?   
No, I think the dilemma is in those who felt she wasn't abducted.

Your post is nonsense because you claim to KNOW how I feel...you THINK im in  a dilemma....im not...so your post is nonsense..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 08:25:50 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:23:53 PM
I said "reportedly" claimed they had proof she was dead... I'm sure you read the media reports (there's numerous to choose from) such as:

"PROSECUTORS in Germany have written to Kate and Gerry McCann to tell them Madeleine is dead.

They have “concrete evidence” suspect Christian B killed her but cannot yet reveal details."

Evidence is not proof........im sick of pointing that out to posters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 22, 2020, 08:26:46 PM
Potentially, it could be significant if the various sightings of Madeleine could be correlated with Brückner’s known movements.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:21:10 PM
its obvious im wasting my time with some one who doesnt understand evidence. there is no proof maddie is alive but the odds of her being alive are remote,,,,thats evidence

It's highly unlikely that she is alive - but "rare stranger abduction" (Clarence Mitchell, LSE event, January 2008) is not the most likely scenario if you're just going on "odds".

I'll ask again - what evidence do you have that she was abducted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 08:29:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 07:54:46 PM
I’m guessing quite a few people on here are hoping he’s released.  I wonder how long before we know?

It is interesting that the 'Crimewatch' style programme broadcast in Germany featuring Madeleine was responsible for a viewer passing on information which brought Brueckner to the attention of the police.

So it looks to me that someone he knew had a valid reason for thinking he might be involved and did the right thing by getting him checked out,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:28:19 PM
It's highly unlikely that she is alive - but "rare stranger abduction" (Clarence Mitchell, LSE event, January 2008) is not the most likely scenario if you're just going on "odds".

I'll ask again - what evidence do you have that she was abducted?

what are the odds the parents were involved...based on the EVIDENCE
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 08:30:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:24:44 PM
Your post is none=sense because you claim to KNOW how I feel...you THINK im in  adilemma....im not...so your post is nonsense..
I have not mentioned you in my posts till now.  What I said before does not apply to you.  You are not in a dilemma, you seem to be suffering from something else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:25:50 PM
Evidence is not proof........im sick of pointing that out to posters

"concrete evidence" would suggest they believe they have "proof" (as in beyond reasonable doubt)... but you do raise an important distinction. Good point, well made, my friend.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 22, 2020, 08:31:57 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 08:29:32 PM
It is interesting that the 'Crimewatch' style programme broadcast in Germany featuring Madeleine was responsible for a viewer passing on information which brought Brueckner to the attention of the police.

So it looks to me that someone he knew had a valid reason for thinking he might be involved and did the right thing by getting him checked out,

When was this,the 2013 one was shown in Belgium and Germany,certainly took their time to try and get him,still no charges though,won't be long.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:30:03 PM
what are the odds the parents were involved...based on the EVIDENCE

What evidence are you referring to?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 08:34:15 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 08:30:38 PM
I have not mentioned you in my posts till now.  What I said before does not apply to you.  You are not in a dilemma, you seem to be suffering from something else.

Im certainly not in a dillemma ...you need to make your posts more clear as you were commenting on gunits post that supporters were in a dillemma...good you have now made it clear you dont support gunits post..
what do you think im suffering from...do you have the cojones to explain your post...i think probably not
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 22, 2020, 08:34:28 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 22, 2020, 07:24:17 PM
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-top-court-to-rule-on-maddie-suspects-release/a-53901732

Closer to release then being charged it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 08:36:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:34:15 PM
Im certainly not in a dillemma ...you need to make your posts more clear as you were commenting on gunits post that supporters were in a dillemma...good you have now made it clear you dont support gunits post
I'l have to go back and see how this confusion arose!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:37:56 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 08:36:02 PM
I'l have to go back and see how this confusion arose!

Let it go - everyone's in agreement for once.  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:17:42 PM
Odds are not evidence....  Where's the evidence that she was abducted?.... Smithman would be a good starting point - though sadly not for CM who ignored the sighting for weeks, imo.

Absolutely off topic but if you can't beat them join them.

It is nonsensical for you to keep on insisting that Clarence Mitchell has anything whatsoever to do with Martin Smith or Smithman. 

Martin Smith was a Policia Judiciaria witness.  Clarence Mitchell or anyone else mouthing off about him would have been guilty of interfering with police witnesses - a police investigation - and Judicial secrecy laws.

It would have been impossible for Clarence Mitchell to know anything about the Smiths beyond reports in the Irish papers.

If anyone should have been doing anything about Smithman it was Amaral ... who as it happens did nothing.

Do you understand that ???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:42:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 22, 2020, 08:34:28 PM
Closer to release then being charged it would seem.

It's a confusing article because it also states: "But the Braunschweig court said that the application for early release had already been withdrawn."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 22, 2020, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:37:56 PM
Let it go - everyone's in agreement for once.  8((()*/
I misread G-unit's post http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg602179#msg602179.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:47:58 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 08:42:27 PM
Absolutely off topic but if you can't beat them join them.

It is nonsensical for you to keep on insisting that Clarence Mitchell has anything whatsoever to do with Martin Smith or Smithman. 

Martin Smith was a Policia Judiciaria witness.  Clarence Mitchell or anyone else mouthing off about him would have been guilty of interfering with police witnesses - a police investigation - and Judicial secrecy laws.

It would have been impossible for Clarence Mitchell to know anything about the Smiths beyond reports in the Irish papers.

If anyone should have been doing anything about Smithman it was Amaral ... who as it happens did nothing.

Do you understand that ???

I said Clarence Mitchell stated that "stranger abduction" was "rare". Dave was asking about "odds".

Amaral didn't do nothing. His team interviewed the Smiths then later made arrangements to have them return to Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 08:49:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:47:58 PM
I said Clarence Mitchell stated that "stranger abduction" was "rare". Dave was asking about "odds".

Amaral didn't do nothing. He interviewed the Smiths then later made arrangements to have them return to Portugal.

stranger abduction is rare...winning the euro lotttery is rare but it happens
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:51:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:49:22 PM
stranger abduction is rare...winning the euro lotttery is rare but it happens

But you asked about "odds".... That seems to be the only evidence you have to claim stranger abduction took place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 22, 2020, 08:55:42 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:51:39 PM
But you asked about "odds".... That seems to be the only evidence you have to claim stranger abduction took place.

odds based on evidence...are evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 08:56:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:49:22 PM
stranger abduction is rare...winning the euro lotttery is rare but it happens
351 jackpots won since 2004.  Approximately 50 stranger abductions in the UK alone per year.  Clearly stranger abductions in Europe are more common than jackpot wins on the Euromillions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on June 22, 2020, 09:08:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:49:22 PM
stranger abduction is rare...winning the euro lotttery is rare but it happens

A strange comparison?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 22, 2020, 09:37:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 08:56:27 PM
351 jackpots won since 2004.  Approximately 50 stranger abductions in the UK alone per year.  Clearly stranger abductions in Europe are more common than jackpot wins on the Euromillions.
Pat on the head and a biscuit for the research. But your conclusion could not be more wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 09:47:44 PM
Quote from: The General on June 22, 2020, 09:37:12 PM
Pat on the head and a biscuit for the research. But your conclusion could not be more wrong.
Explain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 22, 2020, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 08:42:27 PM
Absolutely off topic but if you can't beat them join them.

It is nonsensical for you to keep on insisting that Clarence Mitchell has anything whatsoever to do with Martin Smith or Smithman. 

Martin Smith was a Policia Judiciaria witness.  Clarence Mitchell or anyone else mouthing off about him would have been guilty of interfering with police witnesses - a police investigation - and Judicial secrecy laws.

It would have been impossible for Clarence Mitchell to know anything about the Smiths beyond reports in the Irish papers.

If anyone should have been doing anything about Smithman it was Amaral ... who as it happens did nothing.

Do you understand that ???

Then what of this from Martin Smith’s statement ?

‘ He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit ’
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 10:50:54 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 08:42:27 PM


Martin Smith was a Policia Judiciaria witness.  Clarence Mitchell or anyone else mouthing off about him would have been guilty of interfering with police witnesses - a police investigation - and Judicial secrecy laws.

It would have been impossible for Clarence Mitchell to know anything about the Smiths beyond reports in the Irish papers.


 (&^&

I take it you're not familiar with the LSE Event.... or other events where CM "mouthed off" about Tannerman then? Tanner was a PJ witness so why didn't the same rules apply? I knew about Smithman in December 2007 - so it is inconceivable to think that Mitchell didn't. The LSE event was in January 2008.


Oh, and see Faith's post above.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 22, 2020, 10:58:22 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 22, 2020, 10:09:46 PM
Then what of this from Martin Smith’s statement ?

‘ He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit ’

At what stage were Kennedy/his investigators made aware that the Smiths had told the PJ in May 2007 they couldn't help produce efits & furthermore that Martin had subsequently identified Smithman as Gerry? There was a flurry of media reports in January 2008 in which the Smith family stressed they woud do anything they could to help in the search for Madeleine.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id162.htm  (scroll down for various reports)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:25:50 PM
Evidence is not proof........im sick of pointing that out to posters

Circumstantial evidence is even less likely to provide proof than "concrete evidence". Yet without even knowing the "concrete evidence" you state you're 99.9% convinced the German sex offender was guilty of abduction and that there followed a death. I hope you're never selected for jury service my friend. It's a great shame because you're a thinker who can see the difference between evidence and proof... yet you make up your mind about the proof without even knowing the evidence. You also want to convict on odds (which roughly translate into a balance of probability) yet you don't even then pick the most probable scenario but rather place your bets on a "rare" one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 22, 2020, 08:55:42 PM
odds based on evidence...are evidence

What evidence are you referring to though? There's pages and pages of "evidence". Which evidence suggests the German sex offender was the abducter? It's a genuine question. I'm not trying to exonerate him - I want to know what evidence is convincing you that he is guilty of abduction beyond all reasonable doubt?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 11:05:32 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:04:03 PM
What evidence are you referring to though? There's pages and pages of "evidence". Which evidence suggests the German sex offender was the abducter? It's a genuine question. I'm not trying to exonerate him - I want to know what evidence is convincing you that he is guilty of abduction beyond all reasonable doubt?
Is that what Davel has said?  Convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that he is guilty?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:07:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 08:56:27 PM
351 jackpots won since 2004.  Approximately 50 stranger abductions in the UK alone per year.  Clearly stranger abductions in Europe are more common than jackpot wins on the Euromillions.

You're comparing two totally different things.

You need to look at missing children cases, and then look at how many of these cases are the result of stranger abduction.

Surely you accept that no court would convict on the basis of "it's a possibility"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:13:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 11:05:32 PM
Is that what Davel has said?  Convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that he is guilty?

Yes, he said "99.99999%" Massive apologies if I misquoted him (I'm good at that!!!  8()-000( )
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 11:16:41 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 08:47:58 PM
I said Clarence Mitchell stated that "stranger abduction" was "rare". Dave was asking about "odds".

Amaral didn't do nothing. His team interviewed the Smiths then later made arrangements to have them return to Portugal.

You posted "Smithman would be a good starting point - though sadly not for CM who ignored the sighting for weeks".  A sentiment which you have been continually reiterating in your posts in one form or another.

It is wrong and I have explained why it is wrong.  To stay within forum rules please don't repeat it again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 11:38:11 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:07:43 PM
You're comparing two totally different things.

You need to look at missing children cases, and then look at how many of these cases are the result of stranger abduction.

Surely you accept that no court would convict on the basis of "it's a possibility"
I did look -refer to my post, it’s 50 approx per year.  People frequently cite the rarity of child abduction by a stranger as evidence that Madeleine was likely not abducted.  Rare it may be but it happens with fairly reliable and regular consistency, much like a jackpot payout on Euromillions.  One would not say that because winning the jackpot is such a rarity that it’s evidence that a guy who regularly buys lottery tickets and who just deposited £150m in his bank a count could not have won the lottery.  It’s nonsensical. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 11:38:11 PM
I did look -refer to my post, it’s 50 approx per year.  People frequently cite the rarity of child abduction by a stranger as evidence that Madeleine was likely not abducted.  Rare it may be but it happens with fairly reliable and regular consistency, much like a jackpot payout on Euromillions.  One would not say that because winning the jackpot is such a rarity that it’s evidence that a guy who regularly buys lottery tickets and who just deposited £150m in his bank a count could not have won the lottery.  It’s nonsensical.

But I'm not citing the odds / probability as evidence - our Dave is.

I quite agree that stranger abduction is a possibility. It happens. What I have not been shown is the "concrete evidence" of it in this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 11:47:52 PM
Portuguese police looking for Madeleine McCann missed chance to question suspect
Portuguese police went to Christian Brueckner's home shortly after Maddie's disappearance in Praia da Luz, Portugal, however he was not in when they visited, disgraced ex-chief Goncalo Amaral said.

Martin Fricker

Christian Brueckner is the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance
Portuguese detectives tried to quiz Christian Brueckner shortly after Madeleine McCann ­vanished – but he was not in when they visited and it is not known if they returned.

The astonishing revelation that police may have given up probing the German fiend early on after getting no answer at his door came from Goncalo Amaral.

The disgraced ex-chief led the much-criticised initial probe in 2007 and has been in a legal fight with Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry for nine years.

Amaral, 60, said: “I have been told by colleagues, who are retired like me, that they had come knocking on the door. That person was not at home.”


Maddie went missing in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007
He said he was not aware if any more inquiries were made after the visit, which was made shortly after Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz, aged three.

Amaral’s comments, in a TV interview on Portugal’s TVI, came after it emerged last week Brueckner told a judge he was a paedophile when he was in court in 2006, charged with petrol theft.

But officials in Portimao apparently failed to pass that on to the Policia Judiciaria – which Amaral was in charge of.

Lisbon-based Amaral said on TVI that police did not know Brueckner, 43, was a convicted paedophile. It is thought he was known to them through a theft conviction and living in Praia da Luz.


The house where Brueckner is understood to have lived
Amaral was removed as head of the probe in 2008 after criticising British police. And he falsely claimed in a 2009 book that Madeleine died accidentally and Kate and Gerry covered it up.

Rather than admitting in his latest interview mistakes were made, Amaral launched a fresh attack on the McCanns and the pals they were holidaying with.

The McCanns sued Amaral for defamation over his controversial book, The Truth Of The Lie, in the Portuguese courts and the battle is still rumbling on. Amaral has made more than £350,000 from his book and a DVD spin-off.

He made similar claims in last year’s Netflix documentary about Madeleine’s disappearance.

And in Sunday’s interview, he claimed Brueckner – currently in jail in the German city Kiel on a drugs conviction, and fighting a second sentence for raping a 72-year-old woman – has been made a “scapegoat” as he is an “almost perfect suspect”. He alleges German authorities altered photos of the pervert’s VW Westfalia camper van.


Former detective Goncalo Amaral confirmed police visited the house
Amaral handed the presenter what he claimed were photos of the vehicle taken last year, showing it had cartoon-style characters painted on the front and back, and a Portuguese number plate.

Amaral said: “I think it’s important to ask why the photo put out by the ­authorities of the van was altered.”

Asked if he thinks Brueckner is guilty, he replied: “To answer that it has to be proven first an abduction took place.”

During their libel case against Amaral, the McCanns spoke of the “devastation, anxiety and pain” that his claims caused.

Kate told a Lisbon court how, after hearing Amaral’s allegations, her son Sean, then nine, had asked her if she had hidden his sister’s body. She added she and Gerry had taken advice from a child psychologist on how to answer queries from Sean and his twin sister, Amelie.

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Last week, the McCanns said they no longer have a spokesman and they insist they “will not be giving a running commentary on the investigation”.

Meanwhile, it emerged Brueckner owned two other vehicles, including a Mercedes van, when the tot vanished.

Police only flagged up a VW camper and Jaguar XJR when they made a new appeal earlier this month.

Last week, we revealed Brueckner was driving a blue Bedford van at the time, which was scrapped in 2009.

Pals said he was also using a 30ft Tiffin Allegro motor home in 2007.

But court files released yesterday show Brueckner was also the owner of a white Mercedes-Benz 205D van and a grey Opel Ascona.

The whereabouts of both vehicles is unknown and neither are thought to have been swept by forensic experts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:51:57 PM
Phew.... I found what Dave said about the new suspect and evidence. I didn't misquote him:

...."I've looked at the evidence Re him and the evidence Re the parents..

Parents 99.9999999999 not involved... CB  99 % involved..
All based on evidence".....

What I would like to see is the evidence upon which Dave makes this evaluation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 22, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:47:34 PM
But I'm not citing the odds / probability as evidence - our Dave is.

I quite agree that stranger abduction is a possibility. It happens. What I have not been shown is the "concrete evidence" of it in this case.
Amaral describes Brückner as “the perfect suspect”.  Why do you think he calls him that? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:59:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
Amaral describes Brückner as “the perfect suspect”.  Why do you think he calls him that?

IMO, it's because he was a sex offender living in or around PDL in the spring of 2007. No-one is going to jump to his defence. He's a self confessed abusive monster of the worst kind. That though is not sufficient to convict him of abducting or murdering MM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:59:35 PM
IMO, it's because he was a sex offender living in or around PDL in the spring of 2007. No-one is going to jump to his defence. He's a self confessed abusive monster of the worst kind. That though is not sufficient to convict him of abducting or murdering MM.
It sounds like there were quite a few sex offenders living in the area at the time so what makes this one “perfect”?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 12:07:33 AM
Quote from: misty on June 22, 2020, 10:58:22 PM
At what stage were Kennedy/his investigators made aware that the Smiths had told the PJ in May 2007 they couldn't help produce efits & furthermore that Martin had subsequently identified Smithman as Gerry? There was a flurry of media reports in January 2008 in which the Smith family stressed they woud do anything they could to help in the search for Madeleine.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id162.htm  (scroll down for various reports)

Kennedy had asked the Smiths to construct efits before judicial secrecy was lifted and while they were PJ witnesses. So Kennedy, on behalf of the parents, was breaking the law by interfering with a witness.

Brietta didn’t seem to be aware of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 12:13:36 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
It sounds like there were quite a few sex offenders living in the area at the time so what makes this one “perfect”?

I've no idea. What evidence is there that he was involved?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 12:24:50 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 12:13:36 AM
I've no idea. What evidence is there that he was involved?

Errrrr....not a scintilla.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 23, 2020, 12:33:32 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 12:07:33 AM
Kennedy had asked the Smiths to construct efits before judicial secrecy was lifted and while they were PJ witnesses. So Kennedy, on behalf of the parents, was breaking the law by interfering with a witness.

Brietta didn’t seem to be aware of it.

The Smiths' full details were in the media in June 2007. In early Jan 2008 Irish media had direct quoted from the family, meaning they had already broken judicial secrecy before the approach by Kennedy. PJ had done nothing with the Smiths' evidence so Kennedy wasn't interfering with anyone of any importance to the investigation at that stage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 23, 2020, 12:42:40 AM
Evidence is what counts! Amaral revealed the German vehicle photos to prove that he was investigated and they found no evidence linking him to MM. That vehicle would stand out and nobody reported it. He's the perfect suspect because he's in jail so people already hate him and want him convicted without evidence! If he was dead he wouldn't be able to defend himself! It's sad, pathetic and definitely a CIRCUS!

The only shining light is that they will have to do new DNA tests if they are after evidence linking him to MM. I want that to happen - do the tests!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 23, 2020, 12:52:48 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 21, 2020, 10:15:13 AM
The mystery is why was Smithman ignored by CM for so long? When I say ignored I mean there was none of the pretend Police Press Conference requests for public information that we saw repeatedly with Tannerman and other sightings. I don’t recall Smithman even getting a mention at the LSE event in January 2008 (but apologies if I’m wrong). That’s over 6 months without any attempt to publicise what OG (years and millions of pounds later) describe as a vital lead! At the time though it seemed, imo, like CM didn’t want Smithman to be publicised. Why?

I am not in the least surprised that Clarence Mitchell chose not to mention the Smiths sighting at the LSE event given that it identified Gerry McCann as the mystery man. Mitchell is the McCanns official spokesman and believes totally that they were not involved in Madeleine's disappearance. He was unlikely therefore to mention a witness who claimed that Gerry McCann was seen carrying a female child through the streets a short time after she went missing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 23, 2020, 12:55:46 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 23, 2020, 12:42:40 AM
Evidence is what counts! Amaral revealed the German vehicle photos to prove that he was investigated and they found no evidence linking him to MM. That vehicle would stand out and nobody reported it. He's the perfect suspect because he's in jail so people already hate him and want him convicted without evidence! If he was dead he wouldn't be able to defend himself! It's sad, pathetic and definitely a CIRCUS!

The only shining light is that they will have to do new DNA tests if they are after evidence linking him to MM. I want that to happen - do the tests!

What about the other 5 vehicles CB was seemingly associated with?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 01:03:51 AM
Quote from: misty on June 23, 2020, 12:33:32 AM
The Smiths' full details were in the media in June 2007. In early Jan 2008 Irish media had direct quoted from the family, meaning they had already broken judicial secrecy before the approach by Kennedy. PJ had done nothing with the Smiths' evidence so Kennedy wasn't interfering with anyone of any importance to the investigation at that stage.

Could you please provide a link to the Smith’s details being in the public domain in June 2007 ? Further didn’t

Further this is what a Martin Smith said when questioned by the Gardi.

‘He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor's letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted’

So it seems he spoke to no newspapers either....so no breaking of judicial secrecy.

Your last sentence shows you are either ignorant of Portuguese law, especially the law pertaining to judicial secrecy or you are being disingenuous. As soon as the Smiths gave their statements to the PJ their evidence was covered by judicial secrecy. It didn’t matter whether that evidence was or was not important at the time. Kennedy, on behalf of the parents, did break  judicial secrecy....that is a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 01:08:48 AM
Quote from: misty on June 23, 2020, 12:33:32 AM
The Smiths' full details were in the media in June 2007. In early Jan 2008 Irish media had direct quoted from the family, meaning they had already broken judicial secrecy before the approach by Kennedy. PJ had done nothing with the Smiths' evidence so Kennedy wasn't interfering with anyone of any importance to the investigation at that stage.

The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal - having already interviewed them once. They were going to be asked to formally ID someone. That's hardly doing nothing. They also attempted to get the T7/T9 back for a reconstruction to test the timelines.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 23, 2020, 01:10:32 AM
Quote from: misty on June 23, 2020, 12:55:46 AM
What about the other 5 vehicles CB was seemingly associated with?

You need to prove which vehicles he owned in May 2007 - the Jag and campervan were searched and nothing was found!

I still think he may have an alibi that night and it could be work or his girlfriend at the time. Who is she? Has she said anything?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 01:11:17 AM
Quote from: John on June 23, 2020, 12:52:48 AM
I am not in the least surprised that Clarence Mitchell chose not to mention the Smiths sighting at the LSE event given that it identified Gerry McCann as the mystery man. Mitchell is the McCanns official spokesman and believes totally that they were not involved in Madeleine's disappearance. He was unlikely therefore to mention a witness who claimed that Gerry McCann was seen carrying a female child through the streets a short time after she went missing.

Thank you sir. IMO it's worth pointing out that he also didn't mention the sighting BEFORE Smith thought it may have been GM as far as I am aware. I very much doubt he was unaware of it as there is certainly evidence to suggest that information was being shared with the family and their PR man. He talked of "private briefings" before he was employed by the family... I find it hard to believe that CM wasn't aware of Smithman until after September 2007, especially as mobile phone data reportedly shows information sharing was occurring....

Now if we've cleared that up I'm more than happy to get back on topic and examine the evidence linking the German sex offender to MM's abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 23, 2020, 01:42:35 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 23, 2020, 01:10:32 AM
You need to prove which vehicles he owned in May 2007 - the Jag and campervan were searched and nothing was found!

I still think he may have an alibi that night and it could be work or his girlfriend at the time. Who is she? Has she said anything?

Amaral hasn't mentioned the Jag...the one which was re-registered on 4th May to another German citizen. He doesn't seem to know about the purchase of a Winnebago used to travel to Spain shortly after Madeleine's abduction. IIRC German police have already said they're not overly interested in the VW camper anyway.
If CB had an alibi then imo the German police would not be following their current investigation strategy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 03:00:41 AM
Quote from: John on June 23, 2020, 12:52:48 AM
I am not in the least surprised that Clarence Mitchell chose not to mention the Smiths sighting at the LSE event given that it identified Gerry McCann as the mystery man. Mitchell is the McCanns official spokesman and believes totally that they were not involved in Madeleine's disappearance. He was unlikely therefore to mention a witness who claimed that Gerry McCann was seen carrying a female child through the streets a short time after she went missing.

I don't know where this is coming from or why it has become considered that it was Clarence Mitchell's responsibility to publicise "Smith man" when Amaral, whose responsibility it was, totally neglected to do so.

The LSE event had nothing at all to do with Smithman or Tannerman or any man. 

Nor was it 'The Clarence Mitchell Ignores 'Smithman Show'

It was ... "The first ever debate about the media and the McCanns, organised by POLIS, takes place on Wednesday 30 January at the LSE in London, titled ‘The McCanns and the Media: Information or Entertainment’.
Clarence Mitchell was not the only speaker taking part in the debate ~ there were four powerful media professionals also speaking at the event.  Why were they exempt from criticism ~ none of them mentioned Smithman either.

Maybe because it was neither the time nor the place.

It is also worth bearing in mind that ... "In the final report on the investigation, the PJ guarantee, however, that at the time Smith says he saw Gerry in the street, Madeleine's father was sitting at the table in the Tapas restaurant in the Ocean Club."
My name is Maddie. They took me from my holidays Público (no online link, appears in paper edition only)
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id162.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 03:28:27 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 01:08:48 AM
The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal - having already interviewed them once. They were going to be asked to formally ID someone. That's hardly doing nothing. They also attempted to get the T7/T9 back for a reconstruction to test the timelines.
Without reference to Amaral's book ...

Please provide a cite for "The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal"

Please provide a cite for "The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal"

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 07:20:52 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 12:13:36 AM
I've no idea. What evidence is there that he was involved?
You’ve  “no idea?”. Oh but I think you do...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 10:59:10 PM
Circumstantial evidence is even less likely to provide proof than "concrete evidence". Yet without even knowing the "concrete evidence" you state you're 99.9% convinced the German sex offender was guilty of abduction and that there followed a death. I hope you're never selected for jury service my friend. It's a great shame because you're a thinker who can see the difference between evidence and proof... yet you make up your mind about the proof without even knowing the evidence. You also want to convict on odds (which roughly translate into a balance of probability) yet you don't even then pick the most probable scenario but rather place your bets on a "rare" one.

My opinions are based on evidence...which produces a probability. i wouldnt put it at 99%...i was deliberately putting that figure on it to highlight the hypocrisy of those who support amarals right to accuse the McCanns. then when posters here claim the McCanns are guilty...not  a word of dissent from posters such as yourself yet you rally to the defence of quite an evil person like CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 08:53:32 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 22, 2020, 11:13:48 PM
Yes, he said "99.99999%" Massive apologies if I misquoted him (I'm good at that!!!  8()-000( )

you have misquoted me...apologies accepted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 08:56:58 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 08:46:16 AM
My opinions are based on evidence...which produces a probability. i wouldnt put it at 99%...i was deliberately putting that figure on it to highlight the hypocrisy of those who support amarals right to accuse the McCanns. then when posters here claim the McCanns are guilty...not  a word of dissent from posters such as yourself yet you rally to the defence of quite an evil person like CB

This German man may be guilty, but the evidence offered so far is very sparse. I don't think anyone is rallying to his defence, they are merely pointing out that there's no real evidence of his guilt at the moment. That's why appeals have been made; to see if evidence can be found. I doubt if the gossip found by the media is going to count.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2020, 08:58:11 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 08:56:58 AM
This German man may be guilty, but the evidence offered so far is very sparse. I don't think anyone is rallying to his defence, they are merely pointing out that there's no real evidence of his guilt at the moment. That's why appeals have been made; to see if evidence can be found. I doubt if the gossip found by the media is going to count.

Plus this forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 09:03:31 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 08:56:58 AM
This German man may be guilty, but the evidence offered so far is very sparse. I don't think anyone is rallying to his defence, they are merely pointing out that there's no real evidence of his guilt at the moment. That's why appeals have been made; to see if evidence can be found. I doubt if the gossip found by the media is going to count.

But you would have to agree that the same posters dont come along and point out that the evidence against the McCanns is sparse and theres no real evidence of their guilt.....yourself included. Im just pointing out the hypocrisy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 09:03:31 AM
But you would have to agree that the same posters dont come along and point out that the evidence against the McCanns is sparse and theres no real evidence of their guilt.....yourself included. Im just pointing out the hypocrisy

Thank you for admitting (finally) that there is evidence against the McCanns; there are those who deny that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
Thank you for admitting (finally) that there is evidence against the McCanns; there are those who deny that.

You obviously havent read my posts carefully...I talk of evidence and real evidence. Read my post again. Ive already said there is evidence. Evidence is simply anything that supprts a proposition. In the Mcccanns case the evidence is weak and adds up to nothing..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2020, 09:30:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 09:16:07 AM
You obviously havent read my posts carefully...I talk of evidence and real evidence. Read my post again. Ive already said there is evidence. Evidence is simply anything that supprts a proposition. In the Mcccanns case the evidence is weak and adds up to nothing..

So what is the evidence that supports the proposition that the named, unnamed German is being complicit in any way with the disappearance of Madeleine ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 09:31:28 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 23, 2020, 09:30:10 AM
So what is the evidence that supports the proposition that the named, unnamed German is being complicit in any way with the disappearance of Madeleine ?

I think that's quite obvious
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 03:28:27 AM
Without reference to Amaral's book ...

Please provide a cite for "The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal"

Please provide a cite for "The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal"

Inspector Paiva spoke to Mr Smith by phone on 27th September 2007, a week after Smith contacted OG. His return to Portugal was definitely discussed as Smith assured Paiva of his;

full availability to travel to Portugal with the aim of making statements and collaborating with this police in all the diligences that could be considered necessary concerning these events.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:42:28 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 09:31:28 AM
I think that's quite obvious

What's obvious to you isn't obvious to others. He was in the area; but so were many others. He had a conviction in another country for child abuse; but so did many others. He received a phone call on 3rd May; but so did many others. Anything else?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:36:27 AM
Inspector Paiva spoke to Mr Smith by phone on 27th September 2007, a week after Smith contacted OG. His return to Portugal was definitely discussed as Smith assured Paiva of his;

full availability to travel to Portugal with the aim of making statements and collaborating with this police in all the diligences that could be considered necessary concerning these events.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

So the ID is based on the way the child was carried....thats all. That really doesnt sound at all reliable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 10:06:00 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 09:43:51 AM
So the ID is based on the way the child was carried....thats all. That really doesnt sound at all reliable

This case is riddled with unreliable evidence. People reported seeing Madeleine McCann all over the world, reported charity collectors and random men standing in streets.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2020, 10:21:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 09:31:28 AM
I think that's quite obvious

Come on Davel you are better than that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
Thank you for admitting (finally) that there is evidence against the McCanns; there are those who deny that.

What do you consider to be evidence against the McCann's ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 10:29:48 AM
What do you consider to be evidence against the McCann's ?

I have made hundreds of posts on the subject. I don't have a handy list, I'm afraid. I think Davel's 'weak' evidence is more interesting. In my opinion the evidence against CB is weak so far, so unless something stronger emerges the case is unlikely to be solved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 10:51:32 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:36:27 AM
Inspector Paiva spoke to Mr Smith by phone on 27th September 2007, a week after Smith contacted OG. His return to Portugal was definitely discussed as Smith assured Paiva of his;

full availability to travel to Portugal with the aim of making statements and collaborating with this police in all the diligences that could be considered necessary concerning these events.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Yet so urgent was a return to Portugal deemed that nothing was done about it during the following week?

Nor was any attempt was made to collect corroborating evidence of the Smith family sighting until the 10th of October by which time Paulo Rebello was eight days into his appointment to lead the investigation.

In the event Mr Smith was not invited to return to Portugal ... why do you think that was?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:36:27 AM
Inspector Paiva spoke to Mr Smith by phone on 27th September 2007, a week after Smith contacted OG. His return to Portugal was definitely discussed as Smith assured Paiva of his;

full availability to travel to Portugal with the aim of making statements and collaborating with this police in all the diligences that could be considered necessary concerning these events.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

So refreshing to see a cooperative witness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 23, 2020, 11:02:44 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 10:54:39 AM
So refreshing to see a cooperative witness.


The McCann's cooperated with the Police.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 10:06:00 AM
This case is riddled with unreliable evidence. People reported seeing Madeleine McCann all over the world, reported charity collectors and random men standing in streets.

It is also riddled with no evidence at all although interestingly enough Amaral has announced on video that the Portuguese police did visit Brueckner ~ but he wasn't in so they went away.
That wasn't "all over the world" that was right on the doorstep in Portugal very, very close to the location from which Madeleine was abducted.

Snip
Christian Bruckner was one of 600 people of interest investigated by police in the wake of Madeleine's disappearance, but officers who were dispatched to speak with the convicted paedophile returned with no information and never followed him up.

In a television interview, Goncalo Amaral, the controversial police chief who blamed the McCanns for Madeleine's disappearance, admitted that it was not possible to investigate every potential perpetrator in enough detail.

"I have been told that, yes, they had come knocking on the door, that person [Bruckner] was not at home," he told the Portuguese TV channel TVI. Amaral was taken off the McCann case for a series of crucial mistakes including not securing the crime scene properly, and launching a bungled investigation into Madeleine's parents, which was dropped after eight months.

Defending his force's missed opportunity with Bruckner, Mr Amaral said: "We are doing a survey of people known for theft, namely thefts in apartments. And apparently this man was not on the list of thefts in apartments; he had stolen fuel."
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/top-suspect-in-maddie-case-not-quizzed-because-he-wasnt-home-39307836.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 11:04:55 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 10:51:02 AM
I have made hundreds of posts on the subject. I don't have a handy list, I'm afraid. I think Davel's 'weak' evidence is more interesting. In my opinion the evidence against CB is weak so far, so unless something stronger emerges the case is unlikely to be solved.

In other words you have no evidence.  Thanks for that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 23, 2020, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 11:02:54 AM
It is also riddled with no evidence at all although interestingly enough Amaral has announced on video that the Portuguese police did visit Brueckner ~ but he wasn't in so they went away.
That wasn't "all over the world" that was right on the doorstep in Portugal very, very close to the location from which Madeleine was abducted.

Snip
Christian Bruckner was one of 600 people of interest investigated by police in the wake of Madeleine's disappearance, but officers who were dispatched to speak with the convicted paedophile returned with no information and never followed him up.

In a television interview, Goncalo Amaral, the controversial police chief who blamed the McCanns for Madeleine's disappearance, admitted that it was not possible to investigate every potential perpetrator in enough detail.

"I have been told that, yes, they had come knocking on the door, that person [Bruckner] was not at home," he told the Portuguese TV channel TVI. Amaral was taken off the McCann case for a series of crucial mistakes including not securing the crime scene properly, and launching a bungled investigation into Madeleine's parents, which was dropped after eight months.

Defending his force's missed opportunity with Bruckner, Mr Amaral said: "We are doing a survey of people known for theft, namely thefts in apartments. And apparently this man was not on the list of thefts in apartments; he had stolen fuel."
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/top-suspect-in-maddie-case-not-quizzed-because-he-wasnt-home-39307836.html

Unbelievable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 23, 2020, 11:08:40 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 03:28:27 AM
Without reference to Amaral's book ...

Please provide a cite for "The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal"

Please provide a cite for "The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal"


Unfortunately, that was stopped in its tracks - when GA was taken off the case.

We will never know where it could have led - or uncovered.  evidence wise.IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 11:15:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 10:51:32 AM
Yet so urgent was a return to Portugal deemed that nothing was done about it during the following week?

Nor was any attempt was made to collect corroborating evidence of the Smith family sighting until the 10th of October by which time Paulo Rebello was eight days into his appointment to lead the investigation.

In the event Mr Smith was not invited to return to Portugal ... why do you think that was?

Pavia spoke to Martin Smith on 27th of September, a Thursday in 2007. Amaral was relieved of his position on the 2nd of October, the following Tuesday. There was a weekend in between.

It is an absolute tribute to the PJ that anything was done by the 10th of October due to the disruption changing coordinators must have caused.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 11:18:21 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 23, 2020, 11:06:21 AM
Unbelievable

Why ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 23, 2020, 11:25:56 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 11:18:21 AM
Why ?

He was out so they didn't bother going back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 10:51:32 AM
Yet so urgent was a return to Portugal deemed that nothing was done about it during the following week?

Nor was any attempt was made to collect corroborating evidence of the Smith family sighting until the 10th of October by which time Paulo Rebello was eight days into his appointment to lead the investigation.

In the event Mr Smith was not invited to return to Portugal ... why do you think that was?

Amaral was removed from the investigation five days after Paiva's conversation with Mr Smith. The investigation was without a coordinator for a month after that. Rebello acted quite quickly by authorising the collection of more evidence just over a week after he took over imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 11:29:44 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 23, 2020, 11:25:56 AM
He was out so they didn't bother going back.

I thought he had no fixed abode at the time of the 'abduction'?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 23, 2020, 11:08:40 AM

Unfortunately, that was stopped in its tracks - when GA was taken off the case.

We will never know where it could have led - or uncovered.  evidence wise.IMO

It never got off the tracks when Amaral had the power to do something about it.

It only got off the tracks when he was history.  The Policia Judiciaria  investigated it fully after Rebelo took over.  In my opinion you are insulting to the PJ when you say "we will never know where it could have led - or uncovered.  evidence wise..."  It did lead somewhere and that was directly to the PJ determining that Mr Smith was wrong in his 'recovered memory' additional statement.

The PJ did their job.  They investigated a witness statement and ruled it as irrelevant to the inquiry.  That's police work for you - a process of elimination.
They even went out of their way to say why they had ruled it out in their final report.

Sigh ... none so blind!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 23, 2020, 12:12:09 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 23, 2020, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 23, 2020, 11:06:21 AM
Unbelievable


well, I'm glad to see there are some things you don't believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on June 23, 2020, 12:23:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 09:31:28 AM
I think that's quite obvious
Please state how .
The man has history , he might or might not have bragged  about certain things , he might have exhibited  distress when others were discussing Madeleine but that doesn’t make it obvious he was in any way involved.in  her disappearance .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on June 23, 2020, 12:23:18 PM
Please state how .
The man has history , he might or might not have bragged  about certain things , he might have exhibited  distress when others were discussing Madeleine but that doesn’t make it obvious he was in any way involved.in  her disappearance .

Read the post again...it refers to what evidence is known....Its obvious this man may well be involved in maddies disappearance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 01:12:41 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on June 23, 2020, 12:23:18 PM
Please state how .
The man has history , he might or might not have bragged  about certain things , he might have exhibited  distress when others were discussing Madeleine but that doesn’t make it obvious he was in any way involved.in  her disappearance .

Apparently he is a career criminal who was mobile in the Algarve but at the time was resident very close to 5A.

Apparently one of his sidelines was burglary at which he appears to have been very good.

Apparently he has convictions for child abuse - torture - and rape.

Apparently the German police have traced his phone in Luz on the night Madeleine was taken.

I've no idea why the German authorities consider him to be a prime suspect ... maybe the memory sticks buried under a dog ... or even a friend telling the police about film of torture and rape found on his premises ... who knows?

But keep up the good fight for the presumption of his innocence ... I'm sure he's worth your efforts on his behalf ... while bearing in mind the principle is applicable to all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 01:13:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 12:52:19 PM
Read the post again...it refers to what evidence is known....Its obvious this man may well be involved in maddies disappearance

May well. There is nothing to rule him in or out just as with the parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 23, 2020, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
It never got off the tracks when Amaral had the power to do something about it.

It only got off the tracks when he was history.  The Policia Judiciaria  investigated it fully after Rebelo took over.  In my opinion you are insulting to the PJ when you say "we will never know where it could have led - or uncovered.  evidence wise..."  It did lead somewhere and that was directly to the PJ determining that Mr Smith was wrong in his 'recovered memory' additional statement.

The PJ did their job.  They investigated a witness statement and ruled it as irrelevant to the inquiry.  That's police work for you - a process of elimination.
They even went out of their way to say why they had ruled it out in their final report.

Sigh ... none so blind!


You don't know where it would have gone as I said we will never know.

PJ did there job........ Pitty the mccS didn't do there's.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 23, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: misty on June 23, 2020, 01:42:35 AM
Amaral hasn't mentioned the Jag...the one which was re-registered on 4th May to another German citizen. He doesn't seem to know about the purchase of a Winnebago used to travel to Spain shortly after Madeleine's abduction. IIRC German police have already said they're not overly interested in the VW camper anyway.
If CB had an alibi then imo the German police would not be following their current investigation strategy.

Reports said the Germans tested both vehicles and found nothing in connection to MM. A Winnebago would certainly stand out and there were no reports of one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 01:26:14 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 23, 2020, 01:19:46 PM

You don't know where it would have gone as I said we will never know.

PJ did there job........ Pitty the mccS didn't do there's.


I have just explained in my post exactly where it went.  The Policia Judiciaria investigated it and eliminated it.

You either trust the PJ ability to investigate evidence or you don't.  It appears you don't.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 12:52:19 PM
Read the post again...it refers to what evidence is known....Its obvious this man may well be involved in maddies disappearance

What happened to your 99.999% belief he was involved?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2020, 02:03:44 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 02:02:09 PM
What happened to your 99.999% belief he was involved?

Stop letting little old figures get in the way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 02:02:09 PM
What happened to your 99.999% belief he was involved?

I never said that... You and barrier are mistaken.. Go back and check
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 02:05:00 PM
I never said that... You and barrier are mistaken.. Go back and check

Splitting hairs again.

‘ I've looked at the evidence Re him and the evidence Re the parents..

Parents 99.9999999999 not involved... CB  99 % involved..
All based on evidence.’

I swear you do it for the attention.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 01:26:14 PM
I have just explained in my post exactly where it went.  The Policia Judiciaria investigated it and eliminated it.

You either trust the PJ ability to investigate evidence or you don't.  It appears you don't.

The obvious point is that the arrangements were being made by Amaral to bring the family back. That never happened . IMO Smithman is an important piece of the jigsaw. The family should have been brought back, imo. A formal ID should have take place and the T9 timelines should have been thoroughly tested, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 02:19:01 PM
Splitting hairs again.

‘ I've looked at the evidence Re him and the evidence Re the parents..

Parents 99.9999999999 not involved... CB  99 % involved..
All based on evidence.’

I swear you do it for the attention.

You do get a lot wrong though don't you. I do it to point out sloppiness. I had to correct you several times recently
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 23, 2020, 03:29:31 PM
More vehicles associated with Brückner.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mystery-over-suspects-22238240
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2020, 03:45:52 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 23, 2020, 03:29:31 PM
More vehicles associated with Brückner.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mystery-over-suspects-22238240

Cor,a car dealer plus an alleged abductor,no end to his talents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 02:29:33 PM
You do get a lot wrong though don't you. I do it to point out sloppiness. I had to correct you several times recently

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 04:49:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:42:28 AM
What's obvious to you isn't obvious to others. He was in the area; but so were many others. He had a conviction in another country for child abuse; but so did many others. He received a phone call on 3rd May; but so did many others. Anything else?
You left out he’s a burglar, with 17 convictions in total including one for rape which happened in the same town from which Madeleine disappeared.  He has good local knowledge of the area.  He has owned properties iin the area which include disused wells and land upon which a little body could be well hidden.  He has a number of friends and acquaintances all keen to point out how violent and seedy his behaviour has been.  He is a drug dealer and user.  He buried his pet dogs with their heads left above ground and video sticks of child abuse under their bodies.   Shall I go on, or are you simply going to stick your fingers in your ears and deny it all as media invention?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2020, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2020, 04:49:04 PM
You left out he’s a burglar, with 17 convictions in total including one for rape which happened in the same town from which Madeleine disappeared.  He has good local knowledge of the area.  He has owned properties iin the area which include disused wells and land upon which a little body could be well hidden.  He has a number of friends and acquaintances all keen to point out how violent and seedy his behaviour has been.  He is a drug dealer and user.  He buried his pet dogs with their heads left above ground and video sticks of child abuse under their bodies.   Shall I go on, or are you simply going to stick your fingers in your ears and deny it all as media invention?
Yet still no arrest or charges, go figure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 23, 2020, 05:25:15 PM
Yet still no arrest or charges, go figure.
No,  which (if he is the abductor and he certainly has the perfect profile for one) is a cause for despair, not celebration, in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 05:33:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 23, 2020, 05:25:15 PM
Yet still no arrest or charges, go figure.

Remember Raymond Hewlett ? Much of his background was very similar to Brueckner. He was allegedly close to PDL at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. He had told friends that he knew what happened to the child.

Of course it wasn’t him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 05:43:43 PM
Two questions:
1) if the investigation is a whitewash, why are the Germans involved?  They had no skin in the game, no reputations to save, no middle-class GPs to protect, no embarrassment to cover up.
2) If the investigation is a whitewash, why didn’t they conclude years ago that it was the dead paedo what dunnit and just invent a load of evidence to make it so?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 05:59:48 PM
What it does show is that the investigators who have all the information beleive an abduction is certainly possible...contrary to what som eposters here and elsewhere have claimed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2020, 05:43:43 PM
Two questions:
1) if the investigation is a whitewash, why are the Germans involved?  They had no skin in the game, no reputations to save, no middle-class GPs to protect, no embarrassment to cover up.
2) If the investigation is a whitewash, why didn’t they conclude years ago that it was the dead paedo what dunnit and just invent a load of evidence to make it so?

1.is a good question imo
2. could be explained by a desire to keep a lucrative fund open, imo. I’ve not seen evidence of this though but then I’ve not seen evidence of an abduction either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 06:07:14 PM
1.is a good question imo
2. could be explained by a desire to keep a lucrative fund open, imo. I’ve not seen evidence of this though but then I’ve not seen evidence of an abduction either.
What do you mean by a lucrative fund?  Who benefits from this lucrative fund?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 07:36:36 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 02:21:24 PM
The obvious point is that the arrangements were being made by Amaral to bring the family back. That never happened . IMO Smithman is an important piece of the jigsaw. The family should have been brought back, imo. A formal ID should have take place and the T9 timelines should have been thoroughly tested, imo.

Whether or not the Judicial Police were ever of the opinion that Smithman was either important or even a piece of the jigsaw will remain only a matter for your speculation, unless you have some documentation which actually shows they did.

You know ... something along the lines of a televised public appeal ~ a notice in the street asking for witnesses ~ a mention on the PJ website ~ anything at all which would show they had any interest at all in Smithman.

Why on earth would the PJ have wanted Mr Smith to return to Portugal when they had already proved that was unnecessary because his amended statement was quite simply wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 07:42:41 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2020, 04:49:04 PM
You left out he’s a burglar, with 17 convictions in total including one for rape which happened in the same town from which Madeleine disappeared.  He has good local knowledge of the area.  He has owned properties iin the area which include disused wells and land upon which a little body could be well hidden.  He has a number of friends and acquaintances all keen to point out how violent and seedy his behaviour has been.  He is a drug dealer and user.  He buried his pet dogs with their heads left above ground and video sticks of child abuse under their bodies.   Shall I go on, or are you simply going to stick your fingers in your ears and deny it all as media invention?

How many convictions did he have in 2007? He rented a property around 8km from PdL, but not in 2007. His friends and acquaintances were certainly keen to share their stories with the UK press. Maybe it was a nice little earner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 07:42:41 PM
How many convictions did he have in 2007? He rented a property around 8km from PdL, but not in 2007. His friends and acquaintances were certainly keen to share their stories with the UK press. Maybe it was a nice little earner.
What does the number of convictions he had in 2007 got to do with it?  He has 17 convictions, that tells you the sort of person he is.  He lived in and around PdL in 2007 unless you know different? He certainly knew the area, or do you dispute this as well?  His friends may well have been paid for their interviews (there is no evidence to support it), but does that make what they have to say false?  Another thing you forgot to mention in your brief summing up of this man, is that he is also being considered as a suspect in a number of other missing children cases.  Is it the case that this poor man is being scapegoated for these crimes as well in your view or do you think the police have good reason to investigate him further for these abductions and  murders?  Someone did them, and I doubt it was the parents in each case.  What sort of a man abducts and rapes children?  One a bit like Bruckner perhaps, or not really?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 08:43:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2020, 05:59:48 PM
What it does show is that the investigators who have all the information beleive an abduction is certainly possible...contrary to what som eposters here and elsewhere have claimed

In my opinion abduction is possible - though I honestly believe MM died in the apartment. Although an abduction is possible I'm still waiting to be shown some evidence of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2020, 08:47:44 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 08:43:43 PM
In my opinion abduction is possible - though I honestly believe MM died in the apartment. Although an abduction is possible I'm still waiting to be shown some evidence of it.

although I beleive maddie may have died in the apartment.......there is no evidence to support it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 23, 2020, 08:48:23 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 08:43:43 PM
In my opinion abduction is possible - though I honestly believe MM died in the apartment. Although an abduction is possible I'm still waiting to be shown some evidence of it.

Does the fact that current police investigations are pursuing abduction not persuade you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 23, 2020, 08:50:14 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
What does the number of convictions he had in 2007 got to do with it?  He has 17 convictions, that tells you the sort of person he is.  He lived in and around PdL in 2007 unless you know different? He certainly knew the area, or do you dispute this as well?  His friends may well have been paid for their interviews (there is no evidence to support it), but does that make what they have to say false?  Another thing you forgot to mention in your brief summing up of this man, is that he is also being considered as a suspect in a number of other missing children cases.  Is it the case that this poor man is being scapegoated for these crimes as well in your view or do you think the police have good reason to investigate him further for these abductions and  murders?  Someone did them, and I doubt it was the parents in each case.  What sort of a man abducts and rapes children?  One a bit like Bruckner perhaps, or not really?

Indeed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Leepal on June 23, 2020, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 23, 2020, 08:48:23 PM
Does the fact that current police investigations are pursuing abduction not persuade you?

A suspect could make a full confession, show the police where the body is, which has his DNA on it, and still there will be people saying the McCann's did it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 08:53:58 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 23, 2020, 07:36:36 PM
Whether or not the Judicial Police were ever of the opinion that Smithman was either important or even a piece of the jigsaw will remain only a matter for your speculation, unless you have some documentation which actually shows they did.

You know ... something along the lines of a televised public appeal ~ a notice in the street asking for witnesses ~ a mention on the PJ website ~ anything at all which would show they had any interest at all in Smithman.

Why on earth would the PJ have wanted Mr Smith to return to Portugal when they had already proved that was unnecessary because his amended statement was quite simply wrong.

Amaral tells it like this:

........"When we receive this information, at the end of September, we think we finally have the piece that will allow us to complete the puzzle. Because of this, we may be able to reconstruct the course of events on that cold night of May 3rd in Vila da Luz. We have a better understanding of why Jane Tanner, "sent," the alleged abductor in the opposite direction to that taken by the man seen by the Smith family. Suspicion had to be diverted from Gerald who - if he was the guilty party - would have taken this route: leaving apartment 5A, the individual who was carrying the child, did not go east, towards Murat's house, but west in the direction of the beach.

We decide to get the Smiths back to the Algarve, for a formal identification of Gerry McCann - by means of televised images, certainly - direct confrontation being impossible - and possibly proceed to a reconstruction of the events of the night of May 3rd. The National Director of the Judiciary police agrees, the process is set in motion, all the details are sorted out; all that remains is to choose the hotel where they will be put up. But the Smiths were never to come back to Portugal. After my departure, the PJ were to change their minds."...........
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 23, 2020, 08:58:07 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 08:53:58 PM
Amaral tells it like this:

........"When we receive this information, at the end of September, we think we finally have the piece that will allow us to complete the puzzle. Because of this, we may be able to reconstruct the course of events on that cold night of May 3rd in Vila da Luz. We have a better understanding of why Jane Tanner, "sent," the alleged abductor in the opposite direction to that taken by the man seen by the Smith family. Suspicion had to be diverted from Gerald who - if he was the guilty party - would have taken this route: leaving apartment 5A, the individual who was carrying the child, did not go east, towards Murat's house, but west in the direction of the beach.

We decide to get the Smiths back to the Algarve, for a formal identification of Gerry McCann - by means of televised images, certainly - direct confrontation being impossible - and possibly proceed to a reconstruction of the events of the night of May 3rd. The National Director of the Judiciary police agrees, the process is set in motion, all the details are sorted out; all that remains is to choose the hotel where they will be put up. But the Smiths were never to come back to Portugal. After my departure, the PJ were to change their minds."...........

And his departure was when?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2020, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 23, 2020, 08:48:23 PM
Does the fact that current police investigations are pursuing abduction not persuade you?

Since the inception of Grange, thats all they've pursued.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2020, 09:10:45 PM
Quote from: Leepal on June 23, 2020, 08:53:28 PM
A suspect could make a full confession, show the police where the body is, which has his DNA on it, and still there will be people saying the McCann's did it.

Its good to see fantasy is these difficult times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 23, 2020, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 23, 2020, 09:10:03 PM
Since the inception of Grange, thats all they've pursued.

Who is "they"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 09:35:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 23, 2020, 09:10:45 PM
Its good to see fantasy is these difficult times.
What do you find fantastical about Leepal’s observation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
What does the number of convictions he had in 2007 got to do with it?  He has 17 convictions, that tells you the sort of person he is.  He lived in and around PdL in 2007 unless you know different? He certainly knew the area, or do you dispute this as well?  His friends may well have been paid for their interviews (there is no evidence to support it), but does that make what they have to say false?  Another thing you forgot to mention in your brief summing up of this man, is that he is also being considered as a suspect in a number of other missing children cases.  Is it the case that this poor man is being scapegoated for these crimes as well in your view or do you think the police have good reason to investigate him further for these abductions and  murders?  Someone did them, and I doubt it was the parents in each case.  What sort of a man abducts and rapes children?  One a bit like Bruckner perhaps, or not really?

He either did it or he didn't. You seem to want it to be him, which I find a bit strange. Repeating all the speculations and half-truths which have been written by journalists convinces only those who believe the rubbish they print.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: Erngath on June 23, 2020, 08:48:23 PM
Does the fact that current police investigations are pursuing abduction not persuade you?

We don't know what the PJ are investigating, and the Germans are investigating a murder. OG are investigating an abduction but not a murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 10:14:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:54:04 PM
He either did it or he didn't. You seem to want it to be him, which I find a bit strange. Repeating all the speculations and half-truths which have been written by journalists convinces only those who believe the rubbish they print.

Indeed. The need for this man to be the perpetrator seems visceral for some. There seems no thought for what this would mean for Madeleine herself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 10:18:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2020, 09:54:04 PM
He either did it or he didn't. You seem to want it to be him, which I find a bit strange. Repeating all the speculations and half-truths which have been written by journalists convinces only those who believe the rubbish they print.
Oh dear, you’re another one who seems to think that I actively want it to be true that the man abducted, raped and murdered children including Madeleine.  What, may I ask, gives you that idea?  Also what have I repeated that is speculation and half-truth? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 10:29:05 PM
Sceptics on here are either incredibly stupid or supremely insulting to suggest that anyone on this forum “needs” this man to have abducted Madeleine.  Guess what?  We don’t get to choose whether or not she fell off the sofa and died or was abducted by a paedo.  We cannot influence what happened to the child by “needing” or “wanting”.   This is not a game we are playing with different outcomes depending on which script we favour.  If I thought that by wanting Madeleine to have had an accident in which she had a swift, painless demise and was then disposed of by her parents  that it would rescue her from a much more prolonged and agonising death then I guess I would do so,  but this is not about what I want but about what is most likely to have happened.  Whether it’s this guy or not I don’t know, but if it’s not him it will be someone very like him, IMO.  Wishing it were not so does not change the past.  Can you really not get your sceptical little heads around that is it it just too tempting to use this as an exercise in faux outrage to score a pathetic point?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 23, 2020, 10:42:41 PM
What I have always found curious is why Christian Buecker wanted to live “hand to mouth” in Portugal for; staying there for years until leaving very soon after Madeleine disappeared...

Portugal isn’t the typical destination for a young man to want to go and live, doing odd jobs as a waiter. It’s a destination more suited to older people who like to spend the winters there. It isn’t a young persons usual haunt, say, like Ibiza where it’s teaming with nightlife, bars and packed with young men and women letting their hair down.

He had no relatives in friends there, so what was the attraction?

He said to a police officer he chose to go there as he “liked the name”. Yeah, that makes sense...not

Portugal is and has been a paedophiles paradise for decades, due to the lax laws, many people living in near poverty, children allowed to play out unsupervised, and the Portuguese people’s general relaxed attitude to allowing their young children to go out at all times of day and even night assuming they’ll be safe. In fact, my daughter had a childhood Portuguese friend whose parents were just as lax and trusting and often didn’t know where she was when she wa s just 10-years-old! And that was in London.

I wonder if CB had heard about the Portuguese lifestyle regarding their children including the terribly lax laws, hence why he chose to move there.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 23, 2020, 10:45:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2020, 10:29:05 PM
Sceptics on here are either incredibly stupid or supremely insulting to suggest that anyone on this forum “needs” this man to have abducted Madeleine.  Guess what?  We don’t get to choose whether or not she fell off the sofa and died or was abducted by a paedo.  We cannot influence what happened to the child by “needing” or “wanting”.   This is not a game we are playing with different outcomes depending on which script we favour.  If I thought that by wanting Madeleine to have had an accident in which she had a swift, painless demise and was then disposed of by her parents  that that would rescue her from a much more prolonged and agonising death then I guess I would do so,  but this is not about what I want but about what is most likely to have happened.  Whether it’s this guy or not I don’t know, but if it’s not him it will be someone very like him, IMO.  Wishing it were not so does not change the past.  Can you really not get your sceptical little heads around that is it it just too tempting to use this as an exercise in faux outrage to score a pathetic point?


Funny you said that, VS, as I get the distinct impression some people on here desperately want the McCanns’ to have killed her!

They’re almost obsessed.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 23, 2020, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 23, 2020, 10:45:34 PM

Funny you said that, VS, as I get the distinct impression some people on here desperately want the McCanns’ to have killed her!

They’re almost obsessed.

I don’t think you’ll find anyone on this forum has expressed that opinion.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 11:14:28 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 23, 2020, 10:45:34 PM

Funny you said that, VS, as I get the distinct impression some people on here desperately want the McCanns’ to have killed her!

They’re almost obsessed.
What they and especially Amaral desperately don’t want is to have their nasty 13-year long campaign against the parents to have been shown to have been entirely misplaced and a complete waste of their time and effort.  How much more foolish would they look if someone else is found guilty of Madeleine’s disappearance, how injured will be the egos and pride?  Personally, I wouldn’t be able to  live with myself if I’d spent such a long time pointing the finger at innocent people on social media day in, day out for years and years and years, but some people have no shame. As has already been pointed out however, it doesn’t really matter if it’s proven that this guy did it, to some the McCanns will always be the bad guys who tossed their daughter’s body in the bin.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 23, 2020, 11:20:32 PM
Quote from: Leepal on June 23, 2020, 08:53:28 PM
A suspect could make a full confession, show the police where the body is, which has his DNA on it, and still there will be people saying the McCann's did it.

If Smithman comes forward your wish is granted!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2020, 11:14:28 PM
What they and especially Amaral desperately don’t want is to have their nasty 13-year long campaign

Why is it "nasty" to have a different opinion to the one you have? The only difference is no-one will want to defend a self confessed sex offender when he's the subject of the same media speculation that the McCann's campaigned against.

I'm interested in the evidence and nothing more. Just because I believe some evidence points towards the parents involvement that does not make me "nasty". I also believe there's some circumstantial evidence against the German sex offender - does that go anyway towards redeeming my dark soul?

At the end of the day due legal process requires lay people to consider carefully the evidence that is presented to them in a court of law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2020, 11:55:50 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 11:36:05 PM
Why is it "nasty" to have a different opinion to the one you have? The only difference is no-one will want to defend a self confessed sex offender when he's the subject of the same media speculation that the McCann's campaigned against.

I'm interested in the evidence and nothing more. Just because I believe some evidence points towards the parents involvement that does not make me "nasty". I also believe there's some circumstantial evidence against the German sex offender - does that go anyway towards redeeming my dark soul?

At the end of the day due legal process requires lay people to consider carefully the evidence that is presented to them in a court of law.
Have you spent years on social media accusing the McCanns and their friends of lying, plotting, covering up and worse?  Have you bust a gut trying to educate the world about the Gaspar statement?  Have you regularly re-posted the picture of Kate and Gerry outside the church with ballons to demonstrate how happy and carefree they were in the aftermath  of Madeleine’s disappearance?  Have you tirelessly promoted the idea that Smithman is Gerry to anyone who will listen and plenty who aren’t remotely interested?  Do you “like” photoshopped pictures of the McCanns sat in frontof a big pile of money and retweet them, knowing they’re fake but hoping to further the misinformation and maligning of the McCanns?  Do you laugh at their misfortunes, sneer at their accents, rubbish their dress sense, mock their facebook messages?  If not then I wasn’t talking about you. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 24, 2020, 12:16:59 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 23, 2020, 11:20:32 PM
If Smithman comes forward your wish is granted!
I thought that was the Tooth Fairy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 12:23:33 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 23, 2020, 08:53:58 PM
Amaral tells it like this:

........"When we receive this information, at the end of September, we think we finally have the piece that will allow us to complete the puzzle. Because of this, we may be able to reconstruct the course of events on that cold night of May 3rd in Vila da Luz. We have a better understanding of why Jane Tanner, "sent," the alleged abductor in the opposite direction to that taken by the man seen by the Smith family. Suspicion had to be diverted from Gerald who - if he was the guilty party - would have taken this route: leaving apartment 5A, the individual who was carrying the child, did not go east, towards Murat's house, but west in the direction of the beach.

We decide to get the Smiths back to the Algarve, for a formal identification of Gerry McCann - by means of televised images, certainly - direct confrontation being impossible - and possibly proceed to a reconstruction of the events of the night of May 3rd. The National Director of the Judiciary police agrees, the process is set in motion, all the details are sorted out; all that remains is to choose the hotel where they will be put up. But the Smiths were never to come back to Portugal. After my departure, the PJ were to change their minds."...........
He could and should have finished that sentence as follows ...
"After my departure, the PJ were to change their minds" having checked the evidence and "In the final report on the investigation, the PJ guarantee, however, that at the time Smith says he saw Gerry in the street, Madeleine's father was sitting at the table in the Tapas restaurant in the Ocean Club".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 24, 2020, 12:29:14 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 12:23:33 AM
He could and should have finished that sentence as follows ...
"After my departure, the PJ were to change their minds" having checked the evidence and "In the final report on the investigation, the PJ guarantee, however, that at the time Smith says he saw Gerry in the street, Madeleine's father was sitting at the table in the Tapas restaurant in the Ocean Club".

Or....the PJ were to change their minds because the friends of the parents verified Gerry’s alibi. Ther wasn’t, however, one independent witness who did so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 12:32:53 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2020, 10:29:05 PM
Sceptics on here are either incredibly stupid or supremely insulting to suggest that anyone on this forum “needs” this man to have abducted Madeleine.  Guess what?  We don’t get to choose whether or not she fell off the sofa and died or was abducted by a paedo.  We cannot influence what happened to the child by “needing” or “wanting”.   This is not a game we are playing with different outcomes depending on which script we favour.  If I thought that by wanting Madeleine to have had an accident in which she had a swift, painless demise and was then disposed of by her parents  that it would rescue her from a much more prolonged and agonising death then I guess I would do so,  but this is not about what I want but about what is most likely to have happened.  Whether it’s this guy or not I don’t know, but if it’s not him it will be someone very like him, IMO.  Wishing it were not so does not change the past.  Can you really not get your sceptical little heads around that is it it just too tempting to use this as an exercise in faux outrage to score a pathetic point?

It may be "point scoring" but both short term and longer term I think such allegations whether implicit or direct are very much an own goal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 12:51:10 AM
Madeleine McCann case has similarities with Scottish child abduction – Tom Wood

The identification of sex offender Christian Bruckner as the prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann could finally bring some peace for her parents, writes Tom Wood.
Monday, 22nd June 2020

There may still be a long road for the Madeleine McCann investigation.
For anyone who has followed the 13-year agony of the McCann family it has been welcome news. The identification of the German sex offender Christian Bruckner as a prime suspect in the 2007 abduction of three-year-old Madeleine may at last bring a resolution for her family.

To lose a child is a catastrophe. For your youngster to be abducted and simply disappear is an unimaginable horror. Add to that the botched early investigation and the suspicions that fell on Madeleine’s parents – it has been a nightmare.

In fairness to the Portuguese police, stranger abductions are so rare they could not be blamed for first looking close to home. But to publicise such suspicions without good evidence was utterly unprofessional and led the investigation on a false trail as well as to the hounding of the McCanns over the intervening years.

Now at last Bruckner has emerged as a man with right criminal background in the right place at the right time.
The other good news is that, as he is in custody in Germany, the investigation is now being led by the German federal criminal police – a crack outfit.
It sounds positive but, beware, there may be a long road ahead and perhaps even a dead end.

The case of Madeleine’s abduction always reminded me of our own search for the killer of Caroline Hogg, the five-year-old abducted from Portobello and murdered in July 1983. Caroline and Madeleine were both bonny wee girls snatched from under the noses of their families. Caroline’s body was found ten days later hundreds of miles from her home, Madeleine is still missing.

But it is the similarity between the suspects in the two cases that strikes you.
When Robert Black was caught, red-handed, abducting a young girl in 1990 it was obvious that he was a strong suspect for the murder of Caroline and at least two other girls. Like Bruckner, Black had all the right credentials but like Bruckner he was uncooperative and in custody with all the legal protections of a prisoner.

Lacking direct or forensic evidence, the McCann investigation will be painstakingly building a circumstantial case, charting their suspects movements over the last 20 years – associates, addresses, cars, phones, employment – fragments of evidence that could tie him to scenes of crimes.

Following Black’s arrest, we were in the same position but we had three advantages.
First, the Caroline Hogg investigation was one of the first to use the new computerised administration system (Holmes), so nothing would fall between the cracks.
Second, we had a unified command, Hector Clark, then Deputy Chief Constable of Lothian and Borders, had overseen the investigation from the start. He was a hugely experienced detective and was ably assisted by Roger Orr, another gifted investigator, and later head of Lothians CID – there would be no mistakes.
And lastly we were lucky.
Black was a delivery driver and his long-time employers were an old-fashioned firm who kept meticulous records. Over half a million fuel receipts had been carefully filed away. In a masterpiece of circumstantial evidence, this huge puzzle eventually tied Black to the scenes of five abductions and murders of young girls. He was convicted of four before he died in prison.

Bruckner is also suspected of other serious crimes but the McCann investigation does not have our advantages. Policing and legal systems are very different in Portugal and Germany. There is no unified command and bruised egos may impede cooperation. But let’s hope these differences can be overcome, that the pieces of evidence fall into place and that Madeleine’s abductor is trapped at last. Justice demands it and Madeleine’s parents deserve some peace and a crumb of comfort.

Tom Wood is a writer and former Deputy Chief Constable
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/madeleine-mccann-case-has-similarities-scottish-child-abduction-tom-wood-2889765
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2020, 02:14:48 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 23, 2020, 10:42:41 PM
What I have always found curious is why Christian Buecker wanted to live “hand to mouth” in Portugal for; staying there for years until leaving very soon after Madeleine disappeared...

Portugal isn’t the typical destination for a young man to want to go and live, doing odd jobs as a waiter. It’s a destination more suited to older people who like to spend the winters there. It isn’t a young persons usual haunt, say, like Ibiza where it’s teaming with nightlife, bars and packed with young men and women letting their hair down.

He had no relatives in friends there, so what was the attraction?

He said to a police officer he chose to go there as he “liked the name”. Yeah, that makes sense...not

Portugal is and has been a paedophiles paradise for decades, due to the lax laws, many people living in near poverty, children allowed to play out unsupervised, and the Portuguese people’s general relaxed attitude to allowing their young children to go out at all times of day and even night assuming they’ll be safe. In fact, my daughter had a childhood Portuguese friend whose parents were just as lax and trusting and often didn’t know where she was when she wa s just 10-years-old! And that was in London.

I wonder if CB had heard about the Portuguese lifestyle regarding their children including the terribly lax laws, hence why he chose to move there.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html

I wonder, might CB have been in a paedo ring and found many of them lived there? 

As you say, might he have heard of the lax way of life and Law over there ?


Or,
After his first German convictions, might a paedo trafficking /child offering 'service' have approached him with an offer, which happened to be in PT? 

So was he a minor member of a drug smuggling group, or a sex trafficking ring?   Was that how he got to drive that gigantic motorhome.  Did it belong to them?  Did he use it when children needed to be transported for paedophile purposes?

Was he protected by selected members of the PJ and the judiciary?   

Cos, in PT, he seems to have got off scot free in many instances.


He is a bit of an enigma, isn't he?

Any ideas?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 24, 2020, 07:17:40 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 12:51:10 AM
Madeleine McCann case has similarities with Scottish child abduction – Tom Wood

The identification of sex offender Christian Bruckner as the prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann could finally bring some peace for her parents, writes Tom Wood.
Monday, 22nd June 2020

There may still be a long road for the Madeleine McCann investigation.
For anyone who has followed the 13-year agony of the McCann family it has been welcome news. The identification of the German sex offender Christian Bruckner as a prime suspect in the 2007 abduction of three-year-old Madeleine may at last bring a resolution for her family.

To lose a child is a catastrophe. For your youngster to be abducted and simply disappear is an unimaginable horror. Add to that the botched early investigation and the suspicions that fell on Madeleine’s parents – it has been a nightmare.

In fairness to the Portuguese police, stranger abductions are so rare they could not be blamed for first looking close to home. But to publicise such suspicions without good evidence was utterly unprofessional and led the investigation on a false trail as well as to the hounding of the McCanns over the intervening years.

Now at last Bruckner has emerged as a man with right criminal background in the right place at the right time.
The other good news is that, as he is in custody in Germany, the investigation is now being led by the German federal criminal police – a crack outfit.
It sounds positive but, beware, there may be a long road ahead and perhaps even a dead end.

The case of Madeleine’s abduction always reminded me of our own search for the killer of Caroline Hogg, the five-year-old abducted from Portobello and murdered in July 1983. Caroline and Madeleine were both bonny wee girls snatched from under the noses of their families. Caroline’s body was found ten days later hundreds of miles from her home, Madeleine is still missing.

But it is the similarity between the suspects in the two cases that strikes you.
When Robert Black was caught, red-handed, abducting a young girl in 1990 it was obvious that he was a strong suspect for the murder of Caroline and at least two other girls. Like Bruckner, Black had all the right credentials but like Bruckner he was uncooperative and in custody with all the legal protections of a prisoner.

Lacking direct or forensic evidence, the McCann investigation will be painstakingly building a circumstantial case, charting their suspects movements over the last 20 years – associates, addresses, cars, phones, employment – fragments of evidence that could tie him to scenes of crimes.

Following Black’s arrest, we were in the same position but we had three advantages.
First, the Caroline Hogg investigation was one of the first to use the new computerised administration system (Holmes), so nothing would fall between the cracks.
Second, we had a unified command, Hector Clark, then Deputy Chief Constable of Lothian and Borders, had overseen the investigation from the start. He was a hugely experienced detective and was ably assisted by Roger Orr, another gifted investigator, and later head of Lothians CID – there would be no mistakes.
And lastly we were lucky.
Black was a delivery driver and his long-time employers were an old-fashioned firm who kept meticulous records. Over half a million fuel receipts had been carefully filed away. In a masterpiece of circumstantial evidence, this huge puzzle eventually tied Black to the scenes of five abductions and murders of young girls. He was convicted of four before he died in prison.

Bruckner is also suspected of other serious crimes but the McCann investigation does not have our advantages. Policing and legal systems are very different in Portugal and Germany. There is no unified command and bruised egos may impede cooperation. But let’s hope these differences can be overcome, that the pieces of evidence fall into place and that Madeleine’s abductor is trapped at last. Justice demands it and Madeleine’s parents deserve some peace and a crumb of comfort.

Tom Wood is a writer and former Deputy Chief Constable
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/madeleine-mccann-case-has-similarities-scottish-child-abduction-tom-wood-2889765
Good article but I expect there will be sceptics on here who find it strange that he refers to the possibility that Bruckner would be id’ed as the culprit in the MM case as “good news” and that it could bring peace and resolution to rhe family.  They’ll be accusing him of wanting or needing Madeleine to have been raped and murdered by a paedophile next, but that would only be demonstrating their warped logic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 24, 2020, 07:51:00 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 23, 2020, 10:42:41 PM
What I have always found curious is why Christian Buecker wanted to live “hand to mouth” in Portugal for; staying there for years until leaving very soon after Madeleine disappeared...

Portugal isn’t the typical destination for a young man to want to go and live, doing odd jobs as a waiter. It’s a destination more suited to older people who like to spend the winters there. It isn’t a young persons usual haunt, say, like Ibiza where it’s teaming with nightlife, bars and packed with young men and women letting their hair down.

He had no relatives in friends there, so what was the attraction?

He said to a police officer he chose to go there as he “liked the name”. Yeah, that makes sense...not

Portugal is and has been a paedophiles paradise for decades, due to the lax laws, many people living in near poverty, children allowed to play out unsupervised, and the Portuguese people’s general relaxed attitude to allowing their young children to go out at all times of day and even night assuming they’ll be safe. In fact, my daughter had a childhood Portuguese friend whose parents were just as lax and trusting and often didn’t know where she was when she wa s just 10-years-old! And that was in London.

I wonder if CB had heard about the Portuguese lifestyle regarding their children including the terribly lax laws, hence why he chose to move there.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html

I don't find the laws lax, but the application of them seems somewhat lax at times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 08:20:42 AM
Why aren't scepting asking for CB to prove his innocence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:25:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 08:20:42 AM
Why aren't scepting asking for CB to prove his innocence

Because he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 24, 2020, 08:26:24 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:25:05 AM
Because he didn't do it.
Could you please contact the German police today and tell them what you know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 08:29:06 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:25:05 AM
Because he didn't do it.

Is there any evidence he didnt do it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:31:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 08:29:06 AM
Is there any evidence he didnt do it

Yeah , loads.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 08:33:47 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:31:16 AM
Yeah , loads.



lets hear it then
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 24, 2020, 08:38:20 AM
Have we had this one yet?  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393059/Met-sources-blast-lacklustre-approach-Portuguese-colleagues-Madeleine-McCann-breakthrough.html?fbclid=IwAR3pBhHTxph6Gl__Z141nujPsRD53uJamZ0ls-xVgKnpPUhQouNhZKdWckc
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:38:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 08:33:47 AM
lets hear it then

Firstly, there's no evidence that he ever entered G5a.
And then there's the fact that he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 08:40:29 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:38:41 AM
Firstly, there's no evidence that he ever entered G5a.
And then there's the fact that he didn't do it.

Theres no evidence he didnt enter 5a...so whats the evidence he didnt do it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:41:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 08:40:29 AM
Theres no evidence he didnt enter 5a...so whats the evidence he didnt do it

The fact that he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 08:42:03 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 24, 2020, 08:38:20 AM
Have we had this one yet?  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393059/Met-sources-blast-lacklustre-approach-Portuguese-colleagues-Madeleine-McCann-breakthrough.html?fbclid=IwAR3pBhHTxph6Gl__Z141nujPsRD53uJamZ0ls-xVgKnpPUhQouNhZKdWckc

I think that just about what some of us realised a long time ago. SY cant pretend anymore
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:41:33 AM
The fact that he didn't do it.

Thanks for the confirmation that theres no evidence he didnt do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2020, 08:50:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 08:42:59 AM
Thanks for the confirmation that theres no evidence he didnt do it.

So you'd like to see him in court cause there's no evidence he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2020, 08:51:55 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 24, 2020, 08:38:20 AM
Have we had this one yet?  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393059/Met-sources-blast-lacklustre-approach-Portuguese-colleagues-Madeleine-McCann-breakthrough.html?fbclid=IwAR3pBhHTxph6Gl__Z141nujPsRD53uJamZ0ls-xVgKnpPUhQouNhZKdWckc

Many versions over the years,not least on here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 08:53:08 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2020, 08:50:43 AM
So you'd like to see him in court cause there's no evidence he didn't do it.

I havent mentioned court have I..... I havent mentioned devils advocate either
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2020, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 08:53:08 AM
I havent mentioned court have I..... I havent mentioned devils advocate either

The devil always collects,hes just waiting  awhile on this one,won't be long now though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 08:56:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2020, 08:54:39 AM
The devil always collects,hes just waiting a awhile on this one,won't be long now though.

hopefully it won't
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:57:57 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 08:51:33 AM
too personal

You are hoping a paedophile is arrested & charged for Maddies (alleged) abduction.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on June 24, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
barrier the mcann supporters  always go on about how there is no  evidence the  mcanns   did anything to  maddie  yet    right  away they say this person  did?? isnt that  being  a bit hypocritical?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 09:00:13 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:57:57 AM
You are hoping a paedophile is arrested & charged for Maddies (alleged) abduction.


No you are not stating facts...

Im hoping the guilty party is brought to justice...thats what we should all want
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 24, 2020, 09:03:54 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on June 24, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
barrier the mcann supporters  always go on about how there is no  evidence the  mcanns   did anything to  maddie  yet    right  away they say this person  did?? isnt that  being  a bit hypocritical?

No
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 24, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 08:57:57 AM
You are hoping a paedophile is arrested & charged for Maddies (alleged) abduction.


We want the Police to find out what happened to Madeleine,  to find her or her body so that she can have a decent burial and find closure for the McCann's and family.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 09:08:18 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 24, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
We want the Police to find out what happened to Madeleine,  to find her or her body so that she can have a decent burial and find closure for the McCann's and family.

Well you shouldn't have to wait much longer now because the German police have concrete evidence Maddie is dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 09:20:09 AM
Now, a source close to the German investigation has told the Sun: 'If the superior court decides to free him then it will severely impact the case.

'He could vanish and then we will not be able to put him on trial. We are fighting for him to be kept in court.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8453141/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-released-prison-WEEK.html


The German police want to put him on trial before he is even charged with anything.

Is that how the justice system works in Germany?



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 24, 2020, 09:33:46 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 09:20:09 AM
Now, a source close to the German investigation has told the Sun: 'If the superior court decides to free him then it will severely impact the case.

'He could vanish and then we will not be able to put him on trial. We are fighting for him to be kept in court.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8453141/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-released-prison-WEEK.html


The erman police want to put him on trial before he is even charged with anything.

Is that how the justice system works in Germany?



He should have got a lot longer for the rape,  he beat that poor woman before raping her.  He molested a six year old child.  He is a danger to any woman or child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 24, 2020, 09:39:40 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 09:08:18 AM
Well you shouldn't have to wait much longer now because the German police have concrete evidence Maddie is dead.

Your point being?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 24, 2020, 09:33:46 AM

He should have got a lot longer for the rape,  he beat that poor woman before raping her.  He molested a six year old child.  He is a danger to any woman or child.

i think he got 7 years for rape but the sentence is suspended pending an appeal...not against the rape but gainst the legality of his extradition from italy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 09:40:31 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 24, 2020, 09:33:46 AM

He should have got a lot longer for the rape,  he beat that poor woman before raping her.  He molested a six year old child.  He is a danger to any woman or child.

He served his sentence for child molestation a long time ago so he should be free to live a life of religious fulfilment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 24, 2020, 10:10:29 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 12:51:10 AM
Madeleine McCann case has similarities with Scottish child abduction – Tom Wood

The identification of sex offender Christian Bruckner as the prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann could finally bring some peace for her parents, writes Tom Wood.
Monday, 22nd June 2020

There may still be a long road for the Madeleine McCann investigation.
For anyone who has followed the 13-year agony of the McCann family it has been welcome news. The identification of the German sex offender Christian Bruckner as a prime suspect in the 2007 abduction of three-year-old Madeleine may at last bring a resolution for her family.

To lose a child is a catastrophe. For your youngster to be abducted and simply disappear is an unimaginable horror. Add to that the botched early investigation and the suspicions that fell on Madeleine’s parents – it has been a nightmare.

In fairness to the Portuguese police, stranger abductions are so rare they could not be blamed for first looking close to home. But to publicise such suspicions without good evidence was utterly unprofessional and led the investigation on a false trail as well as to the hounding of the McCanns over the intervening years.

Now at last Bruckner has emerged as a man with right criminal background in the right place at the right time.
The other good news is that, as he is in custody in Germany, the investigation is now being led by the German federal criminal police – a crack outfit.
It sounds positive but, beware, there may be a long road ahead and perhaps even a dead end.

The case of Madeleine’s abduction always reminded me of our own search for the killer of Caroline Hogg, the five-year-old abducted from Portobello and murdered in July 1983. Caroline and Madeleine were both bonny wee girls snatched from under the noses of their families. Caroline’s body was found ten days later hundreds of miles from her home, Madeleine is still missing.

But it is the similarity between the suspects in the two cases that strikes you.
When Robert Black was caught, red-handed, abducting a young girl in 1990 it was obvious that he was a strong suspect for the murder of Caroline and at least two other girls. Like Bruckner, Black had all the right credentials but like Bruckner he was uncooperative and in custody with all the legal protections of a prisoner.

Lacking direct or forensic evidence, the McCann investigation will be painstakingly building a circumstantial case, charting their suspects movements over the last 20 years – associates, addresses, cars, phones, employment – fragments of evidence that could tie him to scenes of crimes.

Following Black’s arrest, we were in the same position but we had three advantages.
First, the Caroline Hogg investigation was one of the first to use the new computerised administration system (Holmes), so nothing would fall between the cracks.
Second, we had a unified command, Hector Clark, then Deputy Chief Constable of Lothian and Borders, had overseen the investigation from the start. He was a hugely experienced detective and was ably assisted by Roger Orr, another gifted investigator, and later head of Lothians CID – there would be no mistakes.
And lastly we were lucky.
Black was a delivery driver and his long-time employers were an old-fashioned firm who kept meticulous records. Over half a million fuel receipts had been carefully filed away. In a masterpiece of circumstantial evidence, this huge puzzle eventually tied Black to the scenes of five abductions and murders of young girls. He was convicted of four before he died in prison.

Bruckner is also suspected of other serious crimes but the McCann investigation does not have our advantages. Policing and legal systems are very different in Portugal and Germany. There is no unified command and bruised egos may impede cooperation. But let’s hope these differences can be overcome, that the pieces of evidence fall into place and that Madeleine’s abductor is trapped at last. Justice demands it and Madeleine’s parents deserve some peace and a crumb of comfort.

Tom Wood is a writer and former Deputy Chief Constable
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/madeleine-mccann-case-has-similarities-scottish-child-abduction-tom-wood-2889765

This is the part of the article I’m particularly fond of.

‘The other good news is that, as he is in custody in Germany, the investigation is now being led by the German federal criminal police – a crack outfit.’

Is this the same outfit who believes the child is dead yet can offer no evidence....not even enough to arrest the suspect never mind charge him. That sent two letters to her parents with evidence the child was dead, letters not yet received. Of course it transpired that they were sent through OG who say that they contained no evidence of the child’s death. That tipped Brueckner off that he was under suspicion. That ‘crack’ outfit ?

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 24, 2020, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 09:40:31 AM
He served his sentence for child molestation a long time ago so he should be free to live a life of religious fulfilment.

Would you welcome him into your area?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 24, 2020, 10:18:20 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
i think he got 7 years for rape but the sentence is suspended pending an appeal...not against the rape but gainst the legality of his extradition from italy

7 years is very lenient IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2020, 10:33:37 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 24, 2020, 10:16:38 AM
Would you welcome him into your area?

If he moved to my area there'd be nothing I could do about it.

I wouldn't welcome him. But then, I don't tend to offer a welcome gesture to any new neighbours in my street.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2020, 10:38:46 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 24, 2020, 10:18:20 AM
7 years is very lenient IMO

Starting point in the uk.

Single offence of rape by single offender: 5 years custody - victim 16 or over


https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-19-sentencing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 24, 2020, 10:51:50 AM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 10:52:21 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 23, 2020, 11:02:44 AM

The McCann's cooperated with the Police.   


Not quite true is it - one answered questions the other didn't.

Can't go wrong when you do that IMO -
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 24, 2020, 07:17:40 AM
Good article but I expect there will be sceptics on here who find it strange that he refers to the possibility that Bruckner would be id’ed as the culprit in the MM case as “good news” and that it could bring peace and resolution to rhe family.  They’ll be accusing him of wanting or needing Madeleine to have been raped and murdered by a paedophile next, but that would only be demonstrating their warped logic.

Whatever missing person case one reads about there is an overriding need to find out what happened to the missing person - everlasting hope that he or she may be alive - or the necessity to find the remains to give a
decent burial.
Keith Bennett's mother Winnie Johnson is a prime example of a mother who never gave up searching for her son.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/18/article-2190192-1498B2CA000005DC-758_306x423.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190192/Winnie-Johnson-The-mother-refused-search-sons-body.html
It seems to be a need deep within the human psyche:  in my opinion it is why we have funeral rites and why it is important to us to reach a deathbed while our loved one still lives to say our last goodbyes.


Tom Wood who is a former high ranking police officer with experience of working towards apprehending a peripatetic offender has outlined the monumental task facing the German investigators in relation to tracing the movements of Brueckner their prime suspect. https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/madeleine-mccann-case-has-similarities-scottish-child-abduction-tom-wood-2889765
In the case of Caroline Hogg which he has chosen for comparison with what the German authorities are now facing he said the Scots had the benefit of luck on their side because the suspect's journeys had been meticulously logged and the records kept.
From that observation I think it is going to be a long hard road and a harrowing wait for all the families of missing people perhaps associated with the German investigation of Brueckner while they await the results of the investigations into their loved one's case.

I think the raw humanity of the situation these people find themselves in deserves sympathy and not the derision Madeleine's family are subjected to.  But it takes all kinds I suppose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2020, 10:38:46 AM
Starting point in the uk.

Single offence of rape by single offender: 5 years custody - victim 16 or over


https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-19-sentencing

Portugal. Suspended sentence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 10:52:21 AM

Not quite true is it - one answered questions the other didn't.

Can't go wrong when you do that IMO -

Kate answered questions for around 16 hours as I recall
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2020, 11:08:22 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 10:58:15 AM
Kate answered questions for around 16 hours as I recall

Eight hours on 6th September 2007. On 7th Sept she was present but not answering questions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2020, 11:11:18 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 10:57:17 AM
Portugal. Suspended sentence

Opinion ? or fact based with a cite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 10:58:15 AM
Kate answered questions for around 16 hours as I recall

Wasnt they both sat together with gmc a reassuring hand on kmc shoulder. IIRC

This one though.


Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A. 'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'

Not the expected behavior of an innocent mother IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 11:15:02 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 11:12:35 AM
Wasnt they both sat together with gmc a reassuring hand on kmc shoulder. IIRC

This one though.


Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A. 'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'

Not the expected behavior of an innocent mother IMO

Do you realise Kate answered questions for around 16 hrs and only stopped when it became clear to her and her lawyer that the pj were looking for something they could use to arrest her. She was told not to answer for this reason
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2020, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 11:15:02 AM
Do you realise Kate answered questions for around 16 hrs and only stopped when it became clear to her and her lawyer that the pj were looking for something they could use to arrest her. She was told not to answer for this reason

Different to Germany, seems as if they have to have evidence before questioning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2020, 11:26:03 AM
From NZ, wonder what Robs opinion on the paper is?


Fears Madeleine McCann suspect could 'vanish' if released from prison


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12342586#:~:text=Fears%20Madeleine%20McCann%20suspect%20could%20'vanish'%20if%20released%20from%20prison,-24%20Jun%2C%202020&text=Video%20Player%20is%20loading.&text=Prosecutors%20fear%20the%20prime%20suspect,prison%20on%20parole%20next%20week
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 24, 2020, 11:08:22 AM
Eight hours on 6th September 2007. On 7th Sept she was present but not answering questions.

On legal advice Kate McCann exercised her right to silence.  Having already answered every single question during an eight hour interrogation as the law obliged her to do ... what do you think the Judicial Police forgot to ask her that they had to ask her again the following day?

For example ...
44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

  ... and Gerry McCann against legal advice answered all his questions - but on asking to see the forensic evidence was refused!

Then I don't think the target was Gerry ... I think they had already chosen who was taking the fall for investigative incompetence, if that is what it was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 24, 2020, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2020, 11:26:03 AM
From NZ, wonder what Robs opinion on the paper is?


Fears Madeleine McCann suspect could 'vanish' if released from prison


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12342586#:~:text=Fears%20Madeleine%20McCann%20suspect%20could%20'vanish'%20if%20released%20from%20prison,-24%20Jun%2C%202020&text=Video%20Player%20is%20loading.&text=Prosecutors%20fear%20the%20prime%20suspect,prison%20on%20parole%20next%20week
It is the Auckland region paper I think.  I don't read papers any more.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 24, 2020, 11:41:55 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2020, 11:26:03 AM
From NZ, wonder what Robs opinion on the paper is?


Fears Madeleine McCann suspect could 'vanish' if released from prison


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12342586#:~:text=Fears%20Madeleine%20McCann%20suspect%20could%20'vanish'%20if%20released%20from%20prison,-24%20Jun%2C%202020&text=Video%20Player%20is%20loading.&text=Prosecutors%20fear%20the%20prime%20suspect,prison%20on%20parole%20next%20week


Fears that suspect could vanish.

 Doesn't sound as if German prosecutors have much faith in their parole system.

I think this whole thing is a massive fishing trip in order to get something to use against his parole appeal.
If they had anything substantial, then they would be able to arrest and charge
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 10:52:21 AM

Not quite true is it - one answered questions the other didn't.

Can't go wrong when you do that IMO -

It's actually  a lie to say Kate didn't cooperate with the police.. She did... But stopped cooperating when it became clear to her the police believe she was guilty and looking for a reason to arrest her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
It's actually  a lie to say Kate didn't cooperate with the police.. She did... But stopped cooperating when it became clear to her the police believe she was guilty and looking for a reason to arrest her

But if she wasnt....they wouldn't would they.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 12:30:25 PM
But if she wasnt....they wouldn't would they.

innocent poople get arrested and held on remand..for long periods in places like portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
innocent poople get arrested and held on remand..for long periods in places like portugal


Don't you think she had too many Lawyers in place for that to happen.

Or do you mean she could have said something incriminating,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 12:42:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 12:39:22 PM

Don't you think she had too many Lawyers in place for that to happen.

Or do you mean she could have said something incriminating,

i think she could have been arrested how ever many lawyers she had based on the poor understanding of the alerts and dna by the PH. Its possible for innocent people to say things that can be used to incriminate them...that is a fact and if you cant see that you are denying reality
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 24, 2020, 01:08:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 08:20:42 AM
Why aren't scepting asking for CB to prove his innocence

That’s not how the law works Dave!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 01:12:10 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 24, 2020, 01:08:31 PM
That’s not how the law works Dave!!

I understand that...but it seems to be how sceptics and portuguese justice work....dont you remember the portuguese saying the McCanns lost the chance to prove their innocence. The SC saying they hadnt been cleared.

Can we say Breuckner hasnt been cleared even if hes never charged...Is that fair. Im playing devils advocate by the way
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2020, 01:14:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 01:12:10 PM
I understand that...but it seems to be how sceptics and portuguese justice work....dont you remember the portuguese saying the McCanns lost the chance to prove their innocence. The SC saying they hadnt been cleared.

Can we say Breuckner hasnt been cleared even if hes never charged...Is that fair. Im playing devils advocate by the way

So you think revenge is the order of the day .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 24, 2020, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2020, 11:55:50 PM
Have you spent years on social media accusing the McCanns and their friends of lying, plotting, covering up and worse?  Have you bust a gut trying to educate the world about the Gaspar statement?  Have you regularly re-posted the picture of Kate and Gerry outside the church with ballons to demonstrate how happy and carefree they were in the aftermath  of Madeleine’s disappearance?  Have you tirelessly promoted the idea that Smithman is Gerry to anyone who will listen and plenty who aren’t remotely interested?  Do you “like” photoshopped pictures of the McCanns sat in frontof a big pile of money and retweet them, knowing they’re fake but hoping to further the misinformation and maligning of the McCanns?  Do you laugh at their misfortunes, sneer at their accents, rubbish their dress sense, mock their facebook messages?  If not then I wasn’t talking about you.

I hardly think discussing a witness statement about the ID of Smithman equates with posting fake pictures etc
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2020, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2020, 01:14:30 PM
So you think revenge is the order of the day .

i think youve missed the point. it seems its ok to expect the mccans to prove their innocence but not CB. Im pointing out the hypocrisy of that. No one should be expected to prove their innocence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 24, 2020, 01:21:13 PM
I don't think this article has been brought to the forum yet but it contains a very interesting comment from CB's friend in Spain. CB liked European Championship or big football game nights because everyone would be out at bars watching the matches. It will not c&p for some reason so you will need to click on the link.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/22/exclusive-former-traveller-friend-of-rapist-maddie-suspect-christian-b-spent-months-with-him-in-algarve-and-spains-andalucia/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 01:23:07 PM

Back on topic please ... New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance. Thankyou
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2020, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 01:23:07 PM
Back on topic please ... New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance. Thankyou

Is there one? yesterdays news, todays fish and chip paper.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 24, 2020, 12:42:20 PM
i think she could have been arrested how ever many lawyers she had based on the poor understanding of the alerts and dna by the PH. Its possible for innocent people to say things that can be used to incriminate them...that is a fact and if you cant see that you are denying reality

No, not denying reality at all you are - but there again can go round in circles with that one.

It's possible for innocent people to be arrested anyway if that is what they wanted to do.

They would have with or without her cooperating that is how it also works.

Don't forget it was about her missing child/baby so if you are completely innocent you would not see any danger in doing everything you could. that is reality.


Will you think it ok if CB does the same or will that be a sign of not wanting to incriminate himself
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 24, 2020, 03:05:24 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2020, 01:25:15 PM
Is there one? yesterdays news, todays fish and chip paper.

I tried to send you a PM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 24, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 24, 2020, 01:17:16 PM
I hardly think discussing a witness statement about the ID of Smithman equates with posting fake pictures etc
I didn’t say “discussing” I said promoting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 24, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 24, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
I didn’t say “discussing” I said promoting.

I guess you didn’t mean me then.... I might concentrate on aspects of the evidence I feel are important but I wouldn’t describe it as “promoting” 😊
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 24, 2020, 06:18:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 24, 2020, 11:41:55 AM

Fears that suspect could vanish.

 Doesn't sound as if German prosecutors have much faith in their parole system.

I think this whole thing is a massive fishing trip in order to get something to use against his parole appeal.
If they had anything substantial, then they would be able to arrest and charge

There's a legal hitch over his conviction for rape, apparently. His EAW extradition from Italy was for the drugs charge, not the rape one. His defense has raised it with the ECJ.

"According to court documents seen by the Guardian, Brückner was convicted in Germany last year of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz in 2005, two years before Madeleine disappeared from a hotel in the same area where she was staying with her family.

His conviction is under review after defence lawyers argued he had been extradited – this time from Italy, to where he had travelled – on another charge and therefore, under the rules of the European court of justice, cannot be tried for a different crime."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/05/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-being-investigated-over-second-missing-girl
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 24, 2020, 06:18:26 PM
There's a legal hitch over his conviction for rape, apparently. His EAW extradition from Italy was for the drugs charge, not the rape one. His defense has raised it with the ECJ.

"According to court documents seen by the Guardian, Brückner was convicted in Germany last year of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz in 2005, two years before Madeleine disappeared from a hotel in the same area where she was staying with her family.

His conviction is under review after defence lawyers argued he had been extradited – this time from Italy, to where he had travelled – on another charge and therefore, under the rules of the European court of justice, cannot be tried for a different crime."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/05/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-being-investigated-over-second-missing-girl


So it's possible he could be released

could be a reason for the involvement of him in Maddie's disappearance imo.

It does seem to be the UK press who have gone overboard to convince some he is the abductor.

Wonder how he will get out dead - or - alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 07:12:02 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 24, 2020, 06:18:26 PM
There's a legal hitch over his conviction for rape, apparently. His EAW extradition from Italy was for the drugs charge, not the rape one. His defense has raised it with the ECJ.

"According to court documents seen by the Guardian, Brückner was convicted in Germany last year of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz in 2005, two years before Madeleine disappeared from a hotel in the same area where she was staying with her family.

His conviction is under review after defence lawyers argued he had been extradited – this time from Italy, to where he had travelled – on another charge and therefore, under the rules of the European court of justice, cannot be tried for a different crime."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/05/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-being-investigated-over-second-missing-girl
Very thought provoking should he get off on a technicality without being questioned.

I wonder if he is the man seen by Tamsin Silence.  She was only twelve at the time when she gave her description so it might not be possible to pick him out of a lineup now.


Snip

Swan said two reliable witnesses had also identified a man who was loitering in the area around the time of Madeleine's disappearance as having facial scarring.

"The photographs one has and the descriptions one has of Christian B, the suspect, is that he is a heavily pockmarked man. In other words it's possibly from a case of adolescent acne, but his skin is very marked."
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-expert-says-evidence-points-to-suspect-s-involvement.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 24, 2020, 07:18:44 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 07:12:02 PM
Very thought provoking should he get off on a technicality without being questioned.

I wonder if he is the man seen by Tamsin Silence.  She was only twelve at the time when she gave her description so it might not be possible to pick him out of a lineup now.


Snip

Swan said two reliable witnesses had also identified a man who was loitering in the area around the time of Madeleine's disappearance as having facial scarring.

"The photographs one has and the descriptions one has of Christian B, the suspect, is that he is a heavily pockmarked man. In other words it's possibly from a case of adolescent acne, but his skin is very marked."
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-expert-says-evidence-points-to-suspect-s-involvement.html

Brueckner is neither very heavily pockmarked or very ugly as Tamsin Silence claimed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 24, 2020, 07:37:50 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 06:56:09 PM

So it's possible he could be released

could be a reason for the involvement of him in Maddie's disappearance imo.

It does seem to be the UK press who have gone overboard to convince some he is the abductor.

Wonder how he will get out dead - or - alive.
Almost criminally, due to the circus created by the polizei, he's probably going to get released using the top class legal team he wouldn't have had access to if they'd have kept their big, daft gobs shut.
Well played, yer big bunch of spanners!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 24, 2020, 09:32:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 07:12:02 PM
Very thought provoking should he get off on a technicality without being questioned.

I wonder if he is the man seen by Tamsin Silence.  She was only twelve at the time when she gave her description so it might not be possible to pick him out of a lineup now.


Snip

Swan said two reliable witnesses had also identified a man who was loitering in the area around the time of Madeleine's disappearance as having facial scarring.

"The photographs one has and the descriptions one has of Christian B, the suspect, is that he is a heavily pockmarked man. In other words it's possibly from a case of adolescent acne, but his skin is very marked."
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-expert-says-evidence-points-to-suspect-s-involvement.html

I've been wondering as well. I had a look at the e-fit or whatever it's called in her statement plus the thinner one of the two by the Smiths, and various photos of this Christian B chap. I found them to be quite similar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 24, 2020, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 24, 2020, 09:32:55 PM
I've been wondering as well. I had a look at the e-fit or whatever it's called in her statement plus the thinner one of the two by the Smiths, and various photos of this Christian B chap. I found them to be quite similar.

And it doesn’t worry you that Brueckner’s face is neither very ugly or heavily pockmarked?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 24, 2020, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 24, 2020, 07:18:44 PM
Brueckner is neither very heavily pockmarked or very ugly as Tamsin Silence claimed.

Apparently he was the former, according to a neighbour of his near Luz.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11939394/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-new-mugshot/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 24, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 07:12:02 PM
Very thought provoking should he get off on a technicality without being questioned.

I wonder if he is the man seen by Tamsin Silence.  She was only twelve at the time when she gave her description so it might not be possible to pick him out of a lineup now.


Snip

Swan said two reliable witnesses had also identified a man who was loitering in the area around the time of Madeleine's disappearance as having facial scarring.

"The photographs one has and the descriptions one has of Christian B, the suspect, is that he is a heavily pockmarked man. In other words it's possibly from a case of adolescent acne, but his skin is very marked."
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/06/madeleine-mccann-expert-says-evidence-points-to-suspect-s-involvement.html

The idea that he was heavily pockmarked seems to be a media exaggeration.

Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn't Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn't sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 24, 2020, 10:30:03 PM
Quote from: misty on June 24, 2020, 10:23:07 PM
Apparently he was the former, according to a neighbour of his near Luz.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11939394/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-new-mugshot/

I prefer the evidence of my own eyes and his face in his photographs is not heavily pockmarked. Surely even you can see that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2020, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 24, 2020, 10:30:03 PM
I prefer the evidence of my own eyes and his face in his photographs is not heavily pockmarked. Surely even you can see that ?

One thing we can be sure of; he looks nothing like the man Jane Tanner saw.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 24, 2020, 11:10:54 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 24, 2020, 10:30:03 PM
I prefer the evidence of my own eyes and his face in his photographs is not heavily pockmarked. Surely even you can see that ?

I have seen at least 2 different photographs of him showing acne scarring on his cheeks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 25, 2020, 12:25:48 AM
Quote from: misty on June 24, 2020, 11:10:54 PM
I have seen at least 2 different photographs of him showing acne scarring on his cheeks.

Then post them please so we can evaluate them.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 25, 2020, 12:41:33 AM
2 photos, as requested.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 25, 2020, 01:02:19 AM
Quote from: misty on June 25, 2020, 12:41:33 AM
2 photos, as requested.

Thank you misty.

Both photos aren’t very sharp. The first appears as if it the colour needs to be adjusted and it’s the colour around his cheeks and on his forehead that’s the problem. The second I can see no heavy pockmarking.

Further if Brueckner’s face was so heavily pockmarked that Tasmin Silence saw it as an important element of his description why didn’t the German police include it in their description of Brueckner released to the press ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 25, 2020, 07:07:41 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 24, 2020, 11:10:13 PM
One thing we can be sure of; he looks nothing like the man Jane Tanner saw.

I don't either, but I can see a resemblance to both Tasminman and the thinner Smithman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 25, 2020, 08:31:01 AM
Quote from: misty on June 25, 2020, 12:41:33 AM
2 photos, as requested.
Looks like his left eye did the noble thing and turned itself in.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 25, 2020, 08:35:04 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 24, 2020, 11:10:13 PM
One thing we can be sure of; he looks nothing like the man Jane Tanner saw.

Yeah but yeah, he's the abductor,Tannerman that is,so we've been  told all these years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 25, 2020, 08:35:56 AM
Press losing interest,nothing about the dead on cert today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 25, 2020, 08:37:46 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 25, 2020, 08:35:04 AM
Yeah but yeah, he's the abductor,Tannerman that is,so we've been  told all these years.
George Harrison gets a terrible rap in all this. They should stop that now really, now they've caught the guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 25, 2020, 08:39:32 AM
Quote from: The General on June 25, 2020, 08:37:46 AM
George Harrison gets a terrible rap in all this. They should stop that now really, now they've caught the guy.

My sweet Lord.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 25, 2020, 08:41:55 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 25, 2020, 08:39:32 AM
My sweet Lord.
Got my mind set on you, Martin.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 25, 2020, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: misty on June 25, 2020, 12:41:33 AM
2 photos, as requested.
One eye on bail, the other eye on jail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 25, 2020, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 25, 2020, 08:35:56 AM
Press losing interest,nothing about the dead on cert today.



I notice that.  Maybe they've been told to stop printing information about him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2020, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: Lace on June 25, 2020, 01:21:45 PM


I notice that.  Maybe they've been told to stop printing information about him.

I think they're unlikely to obey any such instructions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 25, 2020, 02:50:22 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11952626/madeleine-mccann-suspect-may-not-be-charged-german/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 25, 2020, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 25, 2020, 02:50:22 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11952626/madeleine-mccann-suspect-may-not-be-charged-german/


"But now in an astonishing U-turn Mr Wolters has told a local newspaper: ''You also have to be realistic enough that the investigation may not lead to a charge for the murder of Madeleine McCann. It could be stopped if we fail to find the missing evidence."

Police are supposed to have received several hundred 'replies' to their request for information about phone call and various vehicles. I don't believe they can have investigated all of these in the last week or so. To claim they may now never be able to charge him seems very strange

Was it all just an enormous fishing expedition and they never had anything on him in the first place?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 25, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 25, 2020, 03:54:30 PM

"But now in an astonishing U-turn Mr Wolters has told a local newspaper: ''You also have to be realistic enough that the investigation may not lead to a charge for the murder of Madeleine McCann. It could be stopped if we fail to find the missing evidence."

Police are supposed to have received several hundred 'replies' to their request for information about phone call and various vehicles. I don't believe they can have investigated all of these in the last week or so. To claim they may now never be able to charge him seems very strange

Was it all just an enormous fishing expedition and they never had anything on him in the first place?

I am afraid I have to agree with you.  Not sure whose reputation this is going to damage.  Probably mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 25, 2020, 04:08:20 PM
Yet he says they are convinced of his guilt.  It will be interesting where this goes
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2020, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 25, 2020, 03:54:30 PM

"But now in an astonishing U-turn Mr Wolters has told a local newspaper: ''You also have to be realistic enough that the investigation may not lead to a charge for the murder of Madeleine McCann. It could be stopped if we fail to find the missing evidence."

Police are supposed to have received several hundred 'replies' to their request for information about phone call and various vehicles. I don't believe they can have investigated all of these in the last week or so. To claim they may now never be able to charge him seems very strange

Was it all just an enormous fishing expedition and they never had anything on him in the first place?

What about the concrete evidence that Maddie is dead?

I wonder what that is & why, despite it's solidity, it's impossible to link it to the perpetrator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 25, 2020, 05:15:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 25, 2020, 04:08:20 PM
Yet he says they are convinced of his guilt.  It will be interesting where this goes
Sounds familiar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 25, 2020, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 25, 2020, 03:54:30 PM

"But now in an astonishing U-turn Mr Wolters has told a local newspaper: ''You also have to be realistic enough that the investigation may not lead to a charge for the murder of Madeleine McCann. It could be stopped if we fail to find the missing evidence."

Police are supposed to have received several hundred 'replies' to their request for information about phone call and various vehicles. I don't believe they can have investigated all of these in the last week or so. To claim they may now never be able to charge him seems very strange

Was it all just an enormous fishing expedition and they never had anything on him in the first place?
Lulling him into a false sense of security.  Tick-tock.  Slowly slowly catchee monkey (and all the other dumb things certain people said when the PJ said there wasn’t enough evidence to bring charges against the McCanns).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 25, 2020, 06:06:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 25, 2020, 04:08:20 PM
Yet he says they are convinced of his guilt.  It will be interesting where this goes


It will go nowhere where it should have gone in the first place

It was so obvious they were fitting the crime to him - not him to the crime.

Like IMO no abduction to pin him too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 25, 2020, 06:22:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 25, 2020, 06:06:05 PM

It will go nowhere where it should have gone in the first place

It was so obvious they were fitting the crime to him - not him to the crime.

Like IMO no abduction to pin him too.
So no chance at all that he could be involved in Madeleine’s disappearance because...,you know the parents dunnit, right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 25, 2020, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 25, 2020, 06:22:39 PM
So no chance at all that he could be involved in Madeleine’s disappearance because...,you know the parents dunnit, right?

Well I don't believe Maddie was abducted - so make if that what you will and usually do VS.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 25, 2020, 06:30:17 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 25, 2020, 06:25:39 PM
Well I don't believe Maddie was abducted - so make if that what you will and usually do VS.
Why do you think the German police are so adamant about it?  Are they mad or bad in your view? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 25, 2020, 06:39:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 25, 2020, 06:30:17 PM
Why do you think the German police are so adamant about it?  Are they mad or bad in your view?

Perhaps sceptics think that the conspiracy to protect the McCanns now includes the German police.....More like to me that with 13 years gone its difficult to find  the evidence needed to convict
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 25, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann_24.html
A twitter post today by Heri.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 25, 2020, 06:42:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 25, 2020, 06:30:17 PM
Why do you think the German police are so adamant about it?  Are they mad or bad in your view?

You tell me its you who believes them.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 25, 2020, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 25, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann_24.html
A twitter post today by Heri.
So the CSI re: the fingerprints was robust now? Yesterday it was a shitshow.
Make your minds up kids.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 25, 2020, 06:48:09 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 25, 2020, 06:42:28 PM
You tell me its you who believes them.
I don’t think they are either mad or bad.  What about you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 25, 2020, 06:54:40 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 25, 2020, 06:06:05 PM

It will go nowhere where it should have gone in the first place

It was so obvious they were fitting the crime to him - not him to the crime.

Like IMO no abduction to pin him too.

That isn't fair, of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 25, 2020, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 25, 2020, 06:48:09 PM
I don’t think they are either mad or bad.  What about you?
I think they put way too much store in a jail cell confession. That coupled with the clock ticking on the impending release of a sex monster. Nobody wants this animal on the street.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 25, 2020, 07:00:11 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 25, 2020, 06:06:05 PM

It will go nowhere where it should have gone in the first place

It was so obvious they were fitting the crime to him - not him to the crime.

Like IMO no abduction to pin him too.

There is  a lot to link him to the crime...according to the  article the police feel hes guilty....I dont think they are telling lies. It will be interesting to see if they can find the evience to prove it but after 13 years it may be difficult
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 25, 2020, 07:01:01 PM
Quote from: The General on June 25, 2020, 06:58:08 PM
I think they put way too much store in a jail cell confession. That coupled with the clock ticking on the impending release of a sex monster. Nobody wants this animal on the street.
Funny how this sex monster and animal just so happened to be in close proximity on the night of the most famous missing child case ever.  I guess it’s just a funny old coincidence, nothing at all to investigate here, move along, move along.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 25, 2020, 07:01:45 PM
lets just hope the portuguese police dont refuse to hand over the prints if requested
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 25, 2020, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 25, 2020, 07:01:01 PM
Funny how this sex monster and animal just so happened to be in close proximity on the night of the most famous missing child case ever.  I guess it’s just a funny old coincidence, nothing at all to investigate here, move along, move along.
Apparently it was a hot-bed of crime; a veritable lawless ghetto, replete with innumerable reprobates with manifold criminal proclivities, so, maybe not such a coincidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 25, 2020, 07:24:56 PM
Quote from: The General on June 25, 2020, 06:43:35 PM
So the CSI re: the fingerprints was robust now? Yesterday it was a shitshow.
Make your minds up kids.
Who are you referring to i.e ‘kids’?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 25, 2020, 07:30:26 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 25, 2020, 07:24:56 PM
Who are you referring to i.e ‘kids’?
Not you, babes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 25, 2020, 07:38:35 PM
Quote from: The General on June 25, 2020, 07:30:26 PM
Not you, babes.

Please be careful.  You are becoming very boring and offensive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 25, 2020, 08:58:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 25, 2020, 06:22:39 PM
So no chance at all that he could be involved in Madeleine’s disappearance because...,you know the parents dunnit, right?

All we know is some circumstantial evidence. No-one could be convicted of that alone. So why are you asking people if they think there’s a chance he was involved? Of course there’s a chance... just like there!s a chance GM was Smithman, there’s a chance MM had some of the fenergan in 5A, there’s a chance the Dr Gaspar did overhear a ghastly thing, there’s a chance Dr Perlin could separate the DNA in swab 3a and identify the individual contributors, there’s a chance Eddie alerted to cadaver odour and not blood, there’s a chance MM woke and wandered, there’s a chance that texts and photos were deleted to conceal some secret! Nothing matters without some “concrete evidence” .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 25, 2020, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 25, 2020, 08:58:21 PM
All we know is some circumstantial evidence. No-one could be convicted of that alone. So why are you asking people if they think there’s a chance he was involved? Of course there’s a chance... just like there!s a chance GM was Smithman, there’s a chance MM had some of the fenergan in 5A, there’s a chance the Dr Gaspar did overhear a ghastly thing, there’s a chance Dr Perlin could separate the DNA in swab 3a and identify the individual contributors, there’s a chance Eddie alerted to cadaver odour and not blood, there’s a chance MM woke and wandered, there’s a chance that texts and photos were deleted to conceal some secret! Nothing matters without some “concrete evidence” .
I wasn’t asking Kizzy if there was a chance he was involved, I was pointing oit that she appears to think there is NO chance he is involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 25, 2020, 11:45:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 25, 2020, 10:09:43 PM
I wasn’t asking Kizzy if there was a chance he was involved, I was pointing oit that she appears to think there is NO chance he is involved.

Fair point. Like I said there's a chance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 26, 2020, 07:57:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 25, 2020, 07:00:11 PM
There is  a lot to link him to the crime...according to the  article the police feel hes guilty....I dont think they are telling lies. It will be interesting to see if they can find the evience to prove it but after 13 years it may be difficult
I agree, Davel. Tatschl, his former inmate and housemate said he is 100% sure Brückner took Madeleine. He, however, disagrees with German authorities that he killed her, saying that she was sold on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 26, 2020, 08:01:26 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 26, 2020, 07:57:04 AM
I agree, Davel. Tatschl, his former inmate and housemate said he is 100% sure Brückner took Madeleine. He, however, disagrees with German authorities that he killed her, saying that she was sold on.


As you would to not implicate yourself,speaking of which why didn't he get in touch before,that reward is sure inviting I,d venture.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 08:54:06 AM
Amaral says CB is the perfect suspect.....I wonder why he thinks he isnt guilty. Amaral will not be privy to the evidence the Germans have
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 09:04:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 08:54:06 AM
Amaral says CB is the perfect suspect.....I wonder why he thinks he isnt guilty. Amaral will not be privy to the evidence the Germans have

In my opinion Amaral knows quite a lot, he has good contacts. How do you think he knew a year ago that a German man was going to feature?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 26, 2020, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 08:54:06 AM
Amaral says CB is the perfect suspect.....I wonder why he thinks he isnt guilty. Amaral will not be privy to the evidence the Germans have

Its like the lamplugh case,they reckon Canaan did it,still not charged though,lack of evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 09:17:51 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 09:04:10 AM
In my opinion Amaral knows quite a lot, he has good contacts. How do you think he knew a year ago that a German man was going to feature?

He knew the German was going to feature because the Germans and SY have been investigating CB for some time and the PJ would have been aware of this. The germans have said that they have not shared the evidence they have on CB with the Portuguese or SY. IMO Amaral is simply planting seeds of doubt to maintain SB is  ascapegoat to cover up his own inadequacies...he will look pretty stupid if it is found CB is guilty and will do all he can to undermine any verdict.

The Germans have said according to direct quotes in the press that they think CB is guilty...that is pretty damning. Of course they havent named CB...they carefully talk about ...the suspect. ..but we all know who they are talking about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 09:19:25 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 09:04:10 AM
In my opinion Amaral knows quite a lot, he has good contacts. How do you think he knew a year ago that a German man was going to feature?

    Perhaps he was questioned as to why Brueckner appears to have been ignored in 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 09:43:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 09:17:51 AM
He knew the German was going to feature because the Germans and SY have been investigating CB for some time and the PJ would have been aware of this. The germans have said that they have not shared the evidence they have on CB with the Portuguese or SY. IMO Amaral is simply planting seeds of doubt to maintain SB is  ascapegoat to cover up his own inadequacies...he will look pretty stupid if it is found CB is guilty and will do all he can to undermine any verdict.

The Germans have said according to direct quotes in the press that they think CB is guilty...that is pretty damning. Of course they havent named CB...they carefully talk about ...the suspect. ..but we all know who they are talking about.

As I said, he has contacts in the PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 09:43:39 AM
As I said, he has contacts in the PJ.

Of course he has contacts in the pj
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 26, 2020, 09:51:39 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 09:43:39 AM
As I said, he has contacts in the PJ.

So much for judicial secrecy during investigations...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 10:02:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 09:43:39 AM
As I said, he has contacts in the PJ.

And still leaking confidential information quite possibly prejudicial to the case being made against Brueckner who was soon tracked by a process of elimination. 

Don't forget folks - we heard all about it from Amaral - not from the cops actually working the case who have now been forced to go public almost certainly long before they had wished.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 26, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 08:54:06 AM
Amaral says CB is the perfect suspect.....I wonder why he thinks he isnt guilty. Amaral will not be privy to the evidence the Germans have

I can understand why the Germans are wary of sharing sensitive info with their PT counterparts.

I have never seen any unprofessional behaviour from the Porto team (which took over the lead in 2013), but at some point, they would presumably have to communicate with Portimão / Faro if anything operational needed to be done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 09:19:25 AM
    Perhaps he was questioned as to why Brueckner appears to have been ignored in 2007?

Seems GA is more in the loop than you would like him to be.

He knew imo the seed was going to be planted for everyone to be brainwashed into thinking CB is guilty.

It's turning out actually to be a joke - that they think people are so gullible even though most are.

The public is in the middle of a pandemic hate crimes - so what better time to say we have our man.

Oh wait in sun today - you could not make it up. Lol

NO CHARGE Madeleine McCann suspect may NOT be charged admit German prosecutors despite ‘concrete evidence’

But now in an astonishing U-turn Mr Wolters has told a local newspaper: ''You also have to be realistic enough that the investigation may not lead to a charge for the murder of Madeleine McCann. It could be stopped if we fail to find the missing evidence."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 10:15:21 AM
Seems GA is more in the loop than you would like him to be.

He knew imo the seed was going to be planted for everyone to be brainwashed into thinking CB is guilty.

It's turning out actually to be a joke - that they think people are so gullible even though most are.

The public is in the middle of a pandemic hate crimes - so what better time to say we have our man.

Oh wait in sun today - you could not make it up. Lol

NO CHARGE Madeleine McCann suspect may NOT be charged admit German prosecutors despite ‘concrete evidence’

But now in an astonishing U-turn Mr Wolters has told a local newspaper: ''You also have to be realistic enough that the investigation may not lead to a charge for the murder of Madeleine McCann. It could be stopped if we fail to find the missing evidence."




The point you are missing is that Amaral should not be 'in the loop' of a current police investigation and if he is you totally misread the implication of that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 10:23:20 AM
The point you are missing is that Amaral should not be 'in the loop' of a current police investigation and if he is you totally misread the implication of that.

Well, it not about GA is it - think it's you who missed the point of my post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 10:29:52 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 10:15:21 AM
Seems GA is more in the loop than you would like him to be.

He knew imo the seed was going to be planted for everyone to be brainwashed into thinking CB is guilty.

It's turning out actually to be a joke - that they think people are so gullible even though most are.

The public is in the middle of a pandemic hate crimes - so what better time to say we have our man.

Oh wait in sun today - you could not make it up. Lol

NO CHARGE Madeleine McCann suspect may NOT be charged admit German prosecutors despite ‘concrete evidence’

But now in an astonishing U-turn Mr Wolters has told a local newspaper: ''You also have to be realistic enough that the investigation may not lead to a charge for the murder of Madeleine McCann. It could be stopped if we fail to find the missing evidence."




Do you realise that you are quoting your own opinion.....amaral did plant a seed but imo its false and you are  gullible for beleiving it. ...he is a proven liar after all. CB is a real suspect who the germans believe ..based on evidence amaral doesnt know about...is guilty. Amaral is simply trying to cover his incompetent backside by introducing his fantasy...imo

My take on it is that amaral knew the Germans were investigating CB...and hes just stating his own fantasy opinion that CB is  scapegoat...he is not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 26, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
I can understand why the Germans are wary of sharing sensitive info with their PT counterparts.

I have never seen any unprofessional behaviour from the Porto team (which took over the lead in 2013), but at some point, they would presumably have to communicate with Portimão / Faro if anything operational needed to be done.

I agree Carana.

We have had a very tight investigation from all concerned up till now.  Only when returned to Portimão/Faro as inevitably it had to, has the lid been blasted off.

I don't think the Brits and the Germans will be the only ones with concerns about that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 10:39:18 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
Well, it not about GA is it - think it's you who missed the point of my post.

Being forewarned is being forearmed and Bruekner's legal team had enough information already to be going on with.

In my opinion only someone with the desire to throw a spanner into the works would have given them more.

Not to mention any associates who on the outside who may wish to erase any trace of prior knowledge or complicity in Brueckner's crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 10:29:52 AM
Do you realise that you are quoting your own opinion.....amaral did plant a seed but imo its false and you are  gullible for beleiving it. ...he is a proven liar after all. CB is a real suspect who the germans believe ..based on evidence amaral doesnt know about...is guilty. Amaral is simply trying to cover his incompetent backside by introducing his fantasy...imo

My take on it is that amaral knew the Germans were investigating CB...and hes just stating his own fantasy opinion that CB is  scapegoat...he is not.


As I told you before it has nothing to do with GA my suspicions of the mccs they did that all by themselves.

It was them also that planted the seed they now have to sow. they can only blame themselves for what happened to Maddie IMO

So your adamant CB is not a scapegoat IMO that makes you part an parcel of the coverup.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 11:31:49 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 10:30:09 AM
I agree Carana.

We have had a very tight investigation from all concerned up till now.  Only when returned to Portimão/Faro as inevitably it had to, has the lid been blasted off.

I don't think the Brits and the Germans will be the only ones with concerns about that.

The reopened investigation has been conducted from Portimao/Faro since 2013 imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 11:34:36 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 11:17:38 AM

As I told you before it has nothing to do with GA my suspicions of the mccs they did that all by themselves.

It was them also that planted the seed they now have to sow. they can only blame themselves for what happened to Maddie IMO

So your adamant CB is not a scapegoat IMO that makes you part an parcel of the coverup.

You think i'm part of the cover up...what cover up. What evidence is there of a cover up...just the idea of a discredited cop trying to cover his discredited backside imo.

To suggest Im part of some cover up is a totally daft suggestion...I think hes probably guilty as the German police tell us he is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 11:31:49 AM
The reopened investigation has been conducted from Portimao/Faro since 2013 imo.

The German one ???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 11:39:43 AM
The German one ???

The Portuguese one, obviously. The Porto team reviewed the first investigation, they weren't involved in the reopened investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 26, 2020, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 10:30:09 AM
I agree Carana.

We have had a very tight investigation from all concerned up till now.  Only when returned to Portimão/Faro as inevitably it had to, has the lid been blasted off.

I don't think the Brits and the Germans will be the only ones with concerns about that.

Hmmm.

I can't say that I'm overly impressed by the reaction of the new national deputy director of the PJ, formerly head of the head of the PJ in Funchal (where Paiva got side-promoted to), and formerly the head of the PJ scientific lab from 2009.

Meanwhile, PJ police have stressed that in 2012 the British police received the elements of the Judicial Police process about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in which there were hundreds of people, including the German now announced as a suspect.


“At least since 2012, when Operation Orange started, the English police received from the Judiciary Police all the elements that were in our possession regarding the case of the child’s disappearance. If Christian Bruckner was there, as hundreds of people were there, and if the suspicions about that person were so evident, he would have been the target of diligences requested by the English, and which have always been authorised in Portugal, but were never requested,” said the PJ.


Faced with criticisms of the PJ’s performance published by some British media, Carlos Farinha from the PJ said that “the lack of relevance that is attributed to the PJ in relation to Bruckner is the same that can be attributed to Scotland Yard or the Metropolitan Police, at least since 2012, because the data about the citizen was also known to them”.


The suspicions of the involvement of a German citizen in the disappearance of the three-year-old English child in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, only increased in 2017 when another German citizen provided information to Scotland Yard.


For Carlos Farinha, “in theory, everything could have been different”, but “in 2007 and in 2012 it was not known what was known in 2017 and the subsequent developments were also the result of the crossing of information with the PJ. There were also testimonies obtained in Germany and Portugal”.

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/german-suspect-in-madeleine-mccann-case/54462

Appointed at national deputy director of the PJ in 2018:
https://funchalnoticias.net/2018/07/26/carlos-farinha-nomeado-diretor-nacional-adjunto-da-policia-judiciaria/


He was the former  head of the PJ Forensic Science Lab - cf the one-gloved lady outside 5A and the non-evidence in the Cipriano case (not to be confused with the INML, which I've always found to be efficient), but from 2009.
https://pt.linkedin.com/in/carlos-farinha-78094b61


And then there's this... which I don't have time to read for the moment.

https://www.dnoticias.pt/madeira/carlos-farinha-acompanha-director-nacional-da-pj-em-visita-de-dois-dias-a-madeira-NH4238593
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 11:34:36 AM
You think i'm part of the cover up...what cover up. What evidence is there of a cover up...just the idea of a discredited cop trying to cover his discredited backside imo.

To suggest Im part of some cover up is a totally daft suggestion...I think hes probably guilty as the German police tell us he is

.I think hes probably guilty as the German police tell us he is


 As they tell you lol - I know that's what they want you to believe IMO.

You say GA swayed my thinking about the mccs well it proves the germans have swayed yours.

There is one thing though D if the suspect doesn't get charged - you will know how it feels on the other side of the fence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 01:31:03 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 26, 2020, 11:58:06 AM
Hmmm.

I can't say that I'm overly impressed by the reaction of the new national deputy director of the PJ, formerly head of the head of the PJ in Funchal (where Paiva got side-promoted to), and formerly the head of the PJ scientific lab from 2009.

Meanwhile, PJ police have stressed that in 2012 the British police received the elements of the Judicial Police process about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in which there were hundreds of people, including the German now announced as a suspect.


“At least since 2012, when Operation Orange started, the English police received from the Judiciary Police all the elements that were in our possession regarding the case of the child’s disappearance. If Christian Bruckner was there, as hundreds of people were there, and if the suspicions about that person were so evident, he would have been the target of diligences requested by the English, and which have always been authorised in Portugal, but were never requested,” said the PJ.


Faced with criticisms of the PJ’s performance published by some British media, Carlos Farinha from the PJ said that “the lack of relevance that is attributed to the PJ in relation to Bruckner is the same that can be attributed to Scotland Yard or the Metropolitan Police, at least since 2012, because the data about the citizen was also known to them”.


The suspicions of the involvement of a German citizen in the disappearance of the three-year-old English child in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, only increased in 2017 when another German citizen provided information to Scotland Yard.


For Carlos Farinha, “in theory, everything could have been different”, but “in 2007 and in 2012 it was not known what was known in 2017 and the subsequent developments were also the result of the crossing of information with the PJ. There were also testimonies obtained in Germany and Portugal”.

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/german-suspect-in-madeleine-mccann-case/54462

Appointed at national deputy director of the PJ in 2018:
https://funchalnoticias.net/2018/07/26/carlos-farinha-nomeado-diretor-nacional-adjunto-da-policia-judiciaria/


He was the former  head of the PJ Forensic Science Lab - cf the one-gloved lady outside 5A and the non-evidence in the Cipriano case (not to be confused with the INML, which I've always found to be efficient), but from 2009.
https://pt.linkedin.com/in/carlos-farinha-78094b61


And then there's this... which I don't have time to read for the moment.

https://www.dnoticias.pt/madeira/carlos-farinha-acompanha-director-nacional-da-pj-em-visita-de-dois-dias-a-madeira-NH4238593

"The old order changes yielding place to ... erm???"

The tensions which had been consigned to the dustbins of history with the reopening of Madeleine's case appear to have made a resurgence.  What a terrible pity that is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 26, 2020, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 11:31:49 AM
The reopened investigation has been conducted from Portimao/Faro since 2013 imo.

In what sense, as opposed to Porto?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 26, 2020, 01:50:03 PM
In what sense, as opposed to Porto?

Porto - review. Portimao - reopened investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 02:16:00 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 01:07:47 PM

.I think hes probably guilty as the German police tell us he is


 As they tell you lol - I know that's what they want you to believe IMO.

You say GA swayed my thinking about the mccs well it proves the germans have swayed yours.

There is one thing though D if the suspect doesn't get charged - you will know how it feels on the other side of the fence

the germans havent influenced me...the facts have....even amaral describes him as a perfect suspect...think what he means.

Hes  a man with a history of burgalry and child abuse....he was in the area that night..little girls swimsuits were found in his campervan plus an memory stick with pictures of child abuse were founf elsewhere The Germans say there is other concrete evidence that shows Maddie is dead...they are convinced he is guilty. Thats quite good reasons to beleive hes guilty.

Can you give any reason why the German police would join the investigation and deliberately make CB a scapegoat.

Amaral has just come up with another fantasy to save his incompetent backside imo....there is no evidence to suggest CB is simply a scapegoat. you have called other gullible...imo you are th egullible one...as is anyone who listens to discredited convicted liar and beleives what he says

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 26, 2020, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
Porto - review. Portimao - reopened investigation.

You could be right. Oh dear.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id466.htm

If sensitive investigative info were to go straight to Portimão, every PT hack would be waiting at the nearest bar for Edwige to fly by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 02:16:00 PM
the germans havent influenced me...the facts have....even amaral describes him as a perfect suspect...think what he means.

Hes  a man with a history of burgalry and child abuse....he was in the area that night..little girls swimsuits were found in his campervan plus an memory stick with pictures of child abuse were founf elsewhere The Germans say there is other concrete evidence that shows Maddie is dead...they are convinced he is guilty. Thats quite good reasons to beleive hes guilty.

Can you give any reason why the German police would join the investigation and deliberately make CB a scapegoat.

Amaral has just come up with another fantasy to save his incompetent backside imo....there is no evidence to suggest CB is simply a scapegoat. you have called other gullible...imo you are th egullible one...as is anyone who listens to discredited convicted liar and beleives what he says


even amaral describes him as a perfect suspect...think what he means.


You think what he means -  instead of twisting it to your own agenda.

The perfect suspect to make a scapegoat out of -  is what he meant.

It's you who keeps bringing GA up by the way lol.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 02:43:04 PM

even amaral describes him as a perfect suspect...think what he means.


You think what he means -  instead of twisting it to your own agenda.

The perfect suspect to make a scapegoat out of -  is what he meant.

It's you who keeps bringing GA up by the way lol.

You cant answer the simple question...why would the Germans want to make a scapegoat...what evidence is their hes a scapegoat and not a genuine suspect...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 26, 2020, 02:56:00 PM
Amaral is always going to do his best to interfere with The Investigation.

Personally, I think that he should not be allowed to do this.  But apparently, in Portugal Freedom of Speech is more important than Justice.

It is looking to me that The Court Case wherein Amaral's Right were deemed to be more important than those of The McCanns is coming back to bite them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 03:04:49 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 26, 2020, 02:21:10 PM
You could be right. Oh dear.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id466.htm

If sensitive investigative info were to go straight to Portimão, every PT hack would be waiting at the nearest bar for Edwige to fly by.

That would be procedure and protocol.

The evidence which justified the reopening was carried out by the Porto team led by Helen Monteiro.  It took them two years working in strict secrecy to do so.


Portuguese police held their own Madeleine McCann reconstruction


A RECONSTRUCTION by Portuguese detectives of key events on the day Madeleine McCann went missing has helped persuade the country's legal officials to re-open the case, we reveal today.

By JAMES MURRAY
PUBLISHED: 04:43, Sun, Oct 27, 2013

The detectives, who have been reviewing the case files for two years, went to Praia da Luz on the Algarve a month ago to pursue secret inquiries.

They spent hours walking around the Ocean Club working out where certain people were seen at particular times and at Apartment 5a, from where threeyear-old Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007.

The exercise was the culmination of months of work by four Portuguese detectives based in Porto in the north of the country, who are directly working for the highly respected senior officer Helen Monteiro, an expert on abduction cases.

It is thought her elite team of dedicated officers has recently been concentrating on statements from witnesses who say they saw unknown people acting suspiciously in the resort around the time the child was missed. The work in Luz came before Scotland Yard released photofits of potential suspects on the BBC's Crimewatch show this month.

Ms Monteiro has insisted all her officers work in absolute secrecy to prevent leaks of their inquiries. It was decided officers in Porto should conduct the review as none had any direct involvement in the first Madeleine McCann investigation and would therefore approach the case with fresh eyes and open minds.

In Portugal, Ms Monteiro is seen as the driving force finally to get the Madeleine case files re-opened after five years, rather than through the efforts of Scotland Yard. She and her team are working separately from the Yard, although there is close liaison between the two.

Yesterday Portuguese Justice Minister Paula Teixeira da Cruz said the decision to reopen the case, taken last week, was due to the work of the Policia Judiciaria and not because of pressure from Scotland Yard. She said: "The PJ developed diligences that allowed for this process to be reopened. Often there are almost perfect crimes and not all of them are discovered all over the world. If the PJ requested the reopening, it has good motives to do so."

Portuguese law officials and senior officers in the PJ have been acutely aware of criticism of the initial police investigation and insist they are determined to solve the case.

Ms Teixeira da Cruz urged people to be "proud" of the work being done by the PJ, which she insisted had not been idle in seeking to solve the mystery.

For a time Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were seen as arguidos or suspects but that status was lifted. Now they are being kept fully informed of all developments and were given a personal briefing of the work of the PJ in Lisbon last week.

The McCann's Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, is reportedly seeking for his clients to be "assistants" in the case. This would allow their lawyer to work closely with state prosecutors.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439464/Portuguese-police-held-their-own-Madeleine-McCann-reconstruction

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7938.msg386277#msg386277
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 03:39:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 02:50:48 PM
You cant answer the simple question...why would the Germans want to make a scapegoat...what evidence is their hes a scapegoat and not a genuine suspect...


you said
the germans haven't influenced me...the facts have.


What are the facts - everything you know is what the media ex cell mates are saying.

No official statements have been made - apart from appealing for any witnesses.

It's not facts its a shambles IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 03:45:45 PM
Surely if Amaral was part of the investigation that looked at Bruckner's van in 2007, that's how he has access to the photos of the van with the paintings on?
  He is in effect correcting the German's mistake of releasing photos of a 'clean van', so I don't see how he can be interfering. Scotland yard apparently also made a mistake by saying the Jaguar was of interest when it wasn't in Portugal at the time. Then the Prosecutors comes out and says the vehicles were only ever to jog people's memories ( or words to that effect)...ie create a buzz, maybe they were included to be something of substance in the appeal press releases.
The German's were legally obliged to look into Bruckner as he was named after the TV appeal... but they messed up in 2013 by informing him what the summons was about when they sent it.
 IMO. This appeal was only ever about making a big show of investigating Bruckner who they had tipped off, a sort of face-saving measure for the German Prosecutors office.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 03:55:46 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 03:39:25 PM

you said
the germans haven't influenced me...the facts have.


What are the facts - everything you know is what the media ex cell mates are saying.

No official statements have been made - apart from appealing for any witnesses.

It's not facts its a shambles IMO

the fact that he has a history of paedophilia..burglary...was in luz that night...had  memory stick with child abuse...little girls wimming costumes in his van...the fact that the Germas have said the consider him gulty based on evidence they hold....what facts do you have to support him being a scapegoat...none...zero...zilch
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 03:45:45 PM
Surely if Amaral was part of the investigation that looked at Bruckner's van in 2007, that's how he has access to the photos of the van with the paintings on?
  He is in effect correcting the German's mistake of releasing photos of a 'clean van', so I don't see how he can be interfering. Scotland yard apparently also made a mistake by saying the Jaguar was of interest when it wasn't in Portugal at the time. Then the Prosecutors comes out and says the vehicles were only ever to jog people's memories ( or words to that effect)...ie create a buzz, maybe they were included to be something of substance in the appeal press releases.
The German's were legally obliged to look into Bruckner as he was named after the TV appeal... but they messed up in 2013 by informing him what the summons was about when they sent it.
 IMO. This appeal was only ever about making a big show of investigating Bruckner who they had tipped off, a sort of face-saving measure for the German Prosecutors office.

You seem to simply want to discredit the german police when in fact it seems CB wasnt properly investigated by the PJ. they called at his house once...he was out and amaral cant say if it was further followed up.

it seems the PJ dont want to released dna to the Germans...it seems the PJ according to the Germans arent cooperating because they still think the parents did it.
IMO CB is quite possibly guilty but the ineptitude of the PJ in the first investigation may allow a guilty man to go free.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 26, 2020, 04:11:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 26, 2020, 02:56:00 PM
Amaral is always going to do his best to interfere with The Investigation.

Personally, I think that he should not be allowed to do this.  But apparently, in Portugal Freedom of Speech is more important than Justice.

It is looking to me that The Court Case wherein Amaral's Right were deemed to be more important than those of The McCanns is coming back to bite them.

You need to learn to let it go.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 26, 2020, 02:21:10 PM
You could be right. Oh dear.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id466.htm

If sensitive investigative info were to go straight to Portimão, every PT hack would be waiting at the nearest bar for Edwige to fly by.

Amatal, of course, has been living in Lisbon for some years now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 26, 2020, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 04:12:19 PM
Amatal, of course, has been living in Lisbon for some years now.

A Whatsapp chat away, if he still is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 03:55:46 PM
the fact that he has a history of paedophilia..burglary...was in luz that night...had  memory stick with child abuse...little girls wimming costumes in his van...the fact that the Germas have said the consider him gulty based on evidence they hold....what facts do you have to support him being a scapegoat...none...zero...zilch


.none...zero...zilch

sounds about the same as evidence of an abduction -  unless a perfect crime

Don't think your suspect with what you listed and committed -  would be capable of a perfect crime ..do you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 04:16:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 26, 2020, 04:11:49 PM
You need to learn to let it go.

Amaral needs to let it go...as do his supporters. ....the investigation has moved on ...as amaral says CB is the perfect suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 26, 2020, 04:17:19 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 10:23:20 AM
The point you are missing is that Amaral should not be 'in the loop' of a current police investigation and if he is you totally misread the implication of that.

Should Clarence have ever been in the loop with this case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 04:15:43 PM

.none...zero...zilch

sounds about the same as evidence of an abduction -  unless a perfect crime

Don't think your suspect with what you listed and committed -  would be capable of a perfect crime ..do you.
what is the evidence for a scapegoat...why would the Germans supply a scapegoat
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 26, 2020, 02:56:00 PM
Amaral is always going to do his best to interfere with The Investigation.

Personally, I think that he should not be allowed to do this.  But apparently, in Portugal Freedom of Speech is more important than Justice.

It is looking to me that The Court Case wherein Amaral's Right were deemed to be more important than those of The McCanns is coming back to bite them.

Amaral has as much right to give his opinion as anyone else.

The Portuguese Courts judged the McCann's case and found it wanting. That wasn't their fault or Amaral's fault, it was the fault of those bringing the case. They chose their arguments and their arguments weren't good enough.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
Amaral has as much right to give his opinion as anyone else.

The Portuguese Courts judged the McCann's case and found it wanting. That wasn't their fault or Amaral's fault, it was the fault of those bringing the case. They chose their arguments and their arguments weren't good enough.

The SC judged that amarals right to free speech outweighed the mccanns right to reputation..an opinion that is imo out of step with the ECHR legiislation that they claimed they abided by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 26, 2020, 04:39:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 26, 2020, 04:11:49 PM
You need to learn to let it go.

Tell that to Amaral.  He needs that advice more than I do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 04:25:55 PM
The SC judged that amarals right to free speech outweighed the mccanns right to reputation..an opinion that is imo out of step with the ECHR legiislation that they claimed they abided by.

The SC judges examined the evidence provided by the claimant's lawyers and decided it didn't prove their case. Different evidence might have done so, but the judges could only judge what was offered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 26, 2020, 04:43:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 04:25:55 PM
The SC judged that amarals right to free speech outweighed the mccanns right to reputation..an opinion that is imo out of step with the ECHR legiislation that they claimed they abided by.

Thank You. 

Amaral is becoming an even bigger embarrassment to Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 04:56:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 04:09:19 PM
You seem to simply want to discredit the german police when in fact it seems CB wasnt properly investigated by the PJ. they called at his house once...he was out and amaral cant say if it was further followed up.

it seems the PJ dont want to released dna to the Germans...it seems the PJ according to the Germans arent cooperating because they still think the parents did it.
IMO CB is quite possibly guilty but the ineptitude of the PJ in the first investigation may allow a guilty man to go free.

I don't need to discredit them. They made a huge blunder in 2013. They have now had 7 years with which to gather evidence and they clearly haven't managed. They have not got very far and that's a fact as they are still at a very early stage.

And you say 'it seems' PJ are refusing to hand over DNA....isn't that just media spin? I thought we weren't supposed to trust that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
The SC judges examined the evidence provided by the claimant's lawyers and decided it didn't prove their case. Different evidence might have done so, but the judges could only judge what was offered.

If you read the SC judgement it's totally Re freedom of speech versus right to reputation... Allied with the presumption of innocence. What evidence could the mccanns produce to support their right to reputation..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 05:06:58 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 04:56:13 PM
I don't need to discredit them. They made a huge blunder in 2013. They have now had 7 years with which to gather evidence and they clearly haven't managed. They have not got very far and that's a fact as they are still at a very early stage.

And you say 'it seems' PJ are refusing to hand over DNA....isn't that just media spin? I thought we weren't supposed to trust that.
You say a huge blunder... How many huge blunders have the PJ made...Is their case.  Why wasn't CB looked closely at in 2007...even amaral says he's the perfect suspect.  It may well be  the Germans have actually solved the case

Why did it take the Germans to solve the rape case that CB was involved in...what were the PJ doing about it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 05:36:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 05:06:58 PM
You say a huge blunder... How many huge blunders have the PJ made...Is their case.  Why wasn't CB looked closely at in 2007...even amaral says he's the perfect suspect.  It may well be  the Germans have actually solved the case

Why did it take the Germans to solve the rape case that CB was involved in...what were the PJ doing about it


That what he said so why keep twisting it to suit YOUR agenda D



'PERFECT SUSPECT'
Amaral has made numerous appearances on television since the emergence of Christian B as a suspect in the McCann case.

He has repeated his well-known criticism of the Brit youngster’s parents and their “Tapas Seven” holiday pals.

Amaral accused them of abandoning their children to eat out at night and lying to Portuguese police, and said Madeleine had been crying the night before she vanished on May 3, 2007.

He also branded Christian B a “scapegoat”, describing the 43-year-old as an “almost perfect suspect”.

Amaral first claimed last April that a German paedophile who was in prison would be accused over Madeleine’s disappearance.

He’s an almost perfect suspect. All that’s missing for him to become the perfect suspect is for him to be dead.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 05:42:08 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 05:36:53 PM

That what he said so why keep twisting it to suit YOUR agenda D



'PERFECT SUSPECT'
Amaral has made numerous appearances on television since the emergence of Christian B as a suspect in the McCann case.

He has repeated his well-known criticism of the Brit youngster’s parents and their “Tapas Seven” holiday pals.

Amaral accused them of abandoning their children to eat out at night and lying to Portuguese police, and said Madeleine had been crying the night before she vanished on May 3, 2007.

He also branded Christian B a “scapegoat”, describing the 43-year-old as an “almost perfect suspect”.

Amaral first claimed last April that a German paedophile who was in prison would be accused over Madeleine’s disappearance.

He’s an almost perfect suspect. All that’s missing for him to become the perfect suspect is for him to be dead.”


again...what do you think amaral means...he means he ticks all the boxes...hes the perfect supect.

It seems amaral is just spewing more baloney...where is the evidence and what is the motive for the germans to make CB  a scapegoat..you cant answer because there isnt any.

the germans seem better at solving portuguese cases than the portuguese....CB was found guilty of  arape in portugal...what were the PJ doing about it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 05:43:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 05:06:58 PM
You say a huge blunder... How many huge blunders have the PJ made...Is their case.  Why wasn't CB looked closely at in 2007...even amaral says he's the perfect suspect.  It may well be  the Germans have actually solved the case

Why did it take the Germans to solve the rape case that CB was involved in...what were the PJ doing about it

Why did the Germans solve the rape case? Surely you know, 2 associates of Bruckner stole a video of the rape in 2017, till then, many details of the rape were unknown because the victim couldn't see what was going on, so that conviction was the result largely of some luck with the video coming to light. Bruckner was named in 2013 to the Germans again by chance, so not sure why people want to believe they must have some compelling evidence they are holding back.
 You seem to want to want to discredit the PJ above all else, I never mentioned the rape but you brought it up. Both the German police force and Scotland yard haven't got any further with Bruckner than the PJ did in the McCann case and they had less time to look into him. 4 months vs. 7 years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 05:43:32 PM
Why did the Germans solve the rape case? Surely you know, 2 associates of Bruckner stole a video of the rape in 2017, till then, many details of the rape were unknown because the victim couldn't see what was going on, so that conviction was the result largely of some luck with the video coming to light. Bruckner was named in 2013 to the Germans again by chance, so not sure why people want to believe they must have some compelling evidence they are holding back.
 You seem to want to want to discredit the PJ above all else, I never mentioned the rape but you brought it up. Both the German police force and Scotland yard haven't got any further with Bruckner than the PJ did in the McCann case and they had less time to look into him. 4 months vs. 7 years.

Why wasnt CB prosecuted in portugal for the rape. There is another portuguese rape he is suspected of but the portuguese didnt keep the dna evidence. There is  a third violent rape in portugal where the convicted man was given  a suspended  sentence...what a disgrace.

There doesnt even seem to have been an  interview with CB in 2007 ...even though amaral describes him as  a perfect suspect...why was the case closed when all avenues had not been explored
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 26, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 05:52:48 PM
Why wasnt CB prosecuted in portugal for the rape. There is another portuguese rape he is suspected of but the portuguese didnt keep the dna evidence. There is  a third violent rape in portugal where the convicted man was given  a suspended  sentence...what a disgrace.

There doesnt even seem to have been an  interview with CB in 2007 ...even though amaral describes him as  a perfect suspect...why was the case closed when all avenues had not been explored
The PJ knocked on his door after Madeleine disappeared but he was not there. No follow-up. Negligent police force it seems.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 26, 2020, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 26, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
The PJ knocked on his door after Madeleine disappeared but he was not there. No follow-up. Negligent police force it seems.

I thought he was living in a van at the time
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 26, 2020, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 26, 2020, 06:10:17 PM
I thought he was living in a van at the time
Oh that’s alright then.  How were the poor PJ supposed to know that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 06:19:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 05:42:08 PM
again...what do you think amaral means...he means he ticks all the boxes...hes the perfect supect.

It seems amaral is just spewing more baloney...where is the evidence and what is the motive for the germans to make CB  a scapegoat..you cant answer because there isnt any.

the germans seem better at solving portuguese cases than the portuguese....CB was found guilty of  arape in portugal...what were the PJ doing about it

Your spewing a lot of IYO nothing else D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 26, 2020, 06:10:17 PM
I thought he was living in a van at the time

The one Amaral was flashing photographs of by any chance ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 26, 2020, 06:23:07 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 06:19:33 PM
Your spewing a lot of IYO nothing else D
Tell us why IYO the Germans are keen to scapegoat CB for the disappearance of MM?  Gone on, give it a go.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 06:29:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 05:52:48 PM
Why wasnt CB prosecuted in portugal for the rape. There is another portuguese rape he is suspected of but the portuguese didnt keep the dna evidence. There is  a third violent rape in portugal where the convicted man was given  a suspended  sentence...what a disgrace.

There doesnt even seem to have been an  interview with CB in 2007 ...even though amaral describes him as  a perfect suspect...why was the case closed when all avenues had not been explored

not sure why you're bringing up the rape when I was discussing the reason for the German prosecutor publically appealing this year.
  As I said. A video of the rape was seen in 2017. The PJ didn't have as much to go on when they investigated it.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 06:29:49 PM
not sure why you're bringing up the rape when I was discussing the reason for the German prosecutor publically appealing this year.
  As I said. A video of the rape was seen in 2017. The PJ didn't have as much to go on when they investigated it.

they should have had dna evidence.....as they did in the second casse i mentioned. I mentioned the third case because it seems the portuguese have  a very poor record of punishing those accused of crimes against women.
How can anyone receive a suspended sentence for the violent rape...front and back...of a complete stranger
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 26, 2020, 06:38:38 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11964573/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 26, 2020, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 26, 2020, 06:38:38 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11964573/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b/

‘IT’S NOT HIM’ Madeleine McCann star witness DOESN’T recognise Christian B as mystery man carrying toddler on night she vanished

Worth remembering Redwood's words :"A description very close to that of Madeleine McCann".

Only one child unaccounted for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 26, 2020, 07:04:15 PM
Another day, another headline.

Mind you I can't see him being a McCann star witness  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 07:06:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 05:06:58 PM
You say a huge blunder... How many huge blunders have the PJ made...Is their case.  Why wasn't CB looked closely at in 2007...even amaral says he's the perfect suspect.  It may well be  the Germans have actually solved the case

Why did it take the Germans to solve the rape case that CB was involved in...what were the PJ doing about it


Oooppps - have you made a blunder D


‘IT’S NOT HIM’ Madeleine McCann star witness DOESN’T recognise Christian B as mystery man carrying toddler on night she vanished
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 07:09:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 06:34:43 PM
they should have had dna evidence.....as they did in the second casse i mentioned. I mentioned the third case because it seems the portuguese have  a very poor record of punishing those accused of crimes against women.
How can anyone receive a suspended sentence for the violent rape...front and back...of a complete stranger

Rape cases often have little DNA evidence and the majority of rapes are never prosecuted in most countries ( UK included). As I say I was talking about the reasons for the German appeal, you keep bringing it back to the rape. Seems like whataboutery.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 07:14:02 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 07:09:16 PM
Rape cases often have little DNA evidence and the majority of rapes are never prosecuted in most countries ( UK included). As I say I was talking about the reasons for the German appeal, you keep bringing it back to the rape. Seems like whataboutery.

Pity when there is a violent rape where apparently DNA was left behind the Portuguese discarded it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 26, 2020, 07:20:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 07:14:02 PM
Pity when there is a violent rape where apparently DNA was left behind the Portuguese discarded it.
When was this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 07:24:54 PM
Quote from: The General on June 26, 2020, 07:20:33 PM
When was this?
a simple google search will no doubt find it...its been in the news recently and the victim has waived her right to anonymity

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8442487/Portuguese-prosecutors-DESTROYED-vital-DNA-evidence.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 26, 2020, 07:26:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 07:24:54 PM
a simple google search will no doubt find it...its been in the news recently and the victim has waived her right to anonymity
Ah, OK. It's just that you could supplant the word 'Portuguese' with just about any country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 26, 2020, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 26, 2020, 07:04:02 PM
‘IT’S NOT HIM’ Madeleine McCann star witness DOESN’T recognise Christian B as mystery man carrying toddler on night she vanished

Worth remembering Redwood's words :"A description very close to that of Madeleine McCann".

Only one child unaccounted for.
Yes, it brings to the fore why the Smiths were called back to PdL to prove that the person with the child was not the first arguido. None of the Smith family stated that they could see the child’s face.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 07:27:59 PM
Quote from: The General on June 26, 2020, 07:26:13 PM
Ah, OK. It's just that you could supplant the word 'Portuguese' with just about any country.

can you find another incidence in any country where a convicted violent reapist received  a suspended sentence...there seems to be  a pattern

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6299619/Portuguese-mechanic-confessed-raping-hitchhiker-SPARED-jail.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 07:30:44 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 07:06:53 PM

Oooppps - have you made a blunder D


‘IT’S NOT HIM’ Madeleine McCann star witness DOESN’T recognise Christian B as mystery man carrying toddler on night she vanished

CB may well not have been smithman...Cb may well have had  a car.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 07:34:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 26, 2020, 06:23:07 PM
Tell us why IYO the Germans are keen to scapegoat CB for the disappearance of MM?  Gone on, give it a go.

I'll give it a go - have you seen the photofit right under CB.





https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11964573/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 26, 2020, 07:38:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 07:27:59 PM
can you find another incidence in any country where a convicted violent reapist received  a suspended sentence...there seems to be  a pattern

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6299619/Portuguese-mechanic-confessed-raping-hitchhiker-SPARED-jail.html
You found a pattern in two cases?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 26, 2020, 07:40:03 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 07:34:50 PM
I'll give it a go - have you seen the photofit right under CB.





https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11964573/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b/
The likeness is spooky, sends shivers down the spine.....wrrrruuugghghggg....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 07:43:11 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 07:34:50 PM
I'll give it a go - have you seen the photofit right under CB.





https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11964573/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b/

are you under yet another illusion...does CB have to be smithman to be guilty...of course he doesnt. So again...but obvioulsly you cannot answer...why would the Germans want to provide  a scapegoat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 07:54:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 07:43:11 PM
are you under yet another illusion...does CB have to be smithman to be guilty...of course he doesnt. So again...but obvioulsly you cannot answer...why would the Germans want to provide  a scapegoat.

It's not me under the illusion D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 08:08:32 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 07:54:05 PM
It's not me under the illusion D

more opinion as fact...i would say it definitely is...you cannnot supply any reason why the Germans would supply a scapegoat...I  think its  a totally barmy idea. Why would the German police go to all this trouble.....totally crackers
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 26, 2020, 08:15:19 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 07:34:50 PM
I'll give it a go - have you seen the photofit right under CB.





https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11964573/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b/
Would you kindly elucidate further?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2020, 10:16:15 PM
Quote from: The General on June 26, 2020, 07:38:04 PM
You found a pattern in two cases?

Misogynostic...theres another where a woman was beaten with a stick with protruding nails by her husband as  she had committed adultery..the judge in his summing up said he understood as the mans honour was offended and the bible said punshmnets like this were  justified...this is Portugal not Afghanistan
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 26, 2020, 10:25:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 10:16:15 PM
Misogynostic...theres another where a woman was beaten with a stick with protruding nails by her husband as  she had committed adultery..the judge in his summing up said he understood as the mans honour was offended and the bible said punshmnets like this were  justified...this is Portugal not Afghanistan
Genius. Rape involves misogynistic drivers.
You might wanna extend your sample size.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 27, 2020, 01:04:42 AM
Quote from: The General on June 25, 2020, 06:43:35 PM
So the CSI re: the fingerprints was robust now? Yesterday it was a shitshow.
Make your minds up kids.

Dear Mr General, sir

Did you miss the bit about new technology?  Interesting.

Thank you Anthro and Heri
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 27, 2020, 01:27:21 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 26, 2020, 10:02:22 AM
And still leaking confidential information quite possibly prejudicial to the case being made against Brueckner who was soon tracked by a process of elimination. 

Don't forget folks - we heard all about it from Amaral - not from the cops actually working the case who have now been forced to go public almost certainly long before they had wished.

Exactly  Brie

You have hit the nail on the head IMO.

An attempt to mess it up for OG, it seems.  I wonder if he did this on his own back …. or if there was another party involved?

I really find it difficult to accept that Amaral would admit to having made major mistakes unless there was some persuasion of some type.

Amaral is not the type to ever admit he was wrong IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 27, 2020, 01:54:06 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on June 26, 2020, 04:56:13 PM
I don't need to discredit them. They made a huge blunder in 2013. They have now had 7 years with which to gather evidence and they clearly haven't managed. They have not got very far and that's a fact as they are still at a very early stage.

And you say 'it seems' PJ are refusing to hand over DNA....isn't that just media spin? I thought we weren't supposed to trust that.

Oh, IMO Gertrude, you have got that all wrong.  I think that SY are steaming along, but that it is a much bigger case than you and most people realise.

I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/27/public-outrage-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-complains-he-is-getting-bullied-in-jail/
I think Brückner will not be granted bail. He is far safer where he is, than he would be in the outside world.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/27/public-outrage-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-complains-he-is-getting-bullied-in-jail/
I think Brückner will not be granted bail. He is far safer where he is, than he would be in the outside world.
Agreed. Let him rot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 12:36:53 PM
Quote from: The General on June 27, 2020, 12:28:35 PM
Agreed. Let him rot.

A sentiment we all agree with and one which possibly explains why the German Police might have had a vested interest in linking him to such a high profile case. Despite, it would seem, a lack of enough evidence to charge him, apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 12:36:53 PM
A sentiment we all agree with and one which possibly explains why the German Police might have had a vested interest in linking him to such a high profile case. Despite, it would seem, a lack of enough evidence to charge him, apparently.
I understand trying to pin it on him, and they obviously have 'something', but whatever they do have must be circumstantial / hearsay and certainly not compelling enough for the German judiciary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 12:49:08 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 12:36:53 PM
A sentiment we all agree with and one which possibly explains why the German Police might have had a vested interest in linking him to such a high profile case. Despite, it would seem, a lack of enough evidence to charge him, apparently.
Just a thought.
A DNA match from the Portuguese crime scene enabled Brueckner's rape conviction in a German court.  So there must have been a level of forensic co-operation between Germany and Portugal at one time.

Why does that appear to have been abrogated in the inquiry concerning Madeleine McCann and suspicion regarding Brueckner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 12:50:29 PM
Quote from: The General on June 27, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
I understand trying to pin it on him, and they obviously have 'something', but whatever they do have must be circumstantial / hearsay and certainly not compelling enough for the German judiciary.

If that's the case, then they really haven't anything.

They have potentially fouled up regarding the rape case and if he walks on a technicality, then they have no reason to hold him in detention beyond his drug sentence unless they can nail him for something else in the meantime.

As an aside, if he walks on the rape conviction on a technicality, can he be tried again anywhere for the same crime, or would that also run foul of human rights ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 12:50:29 PM
If that's the case, then they really haven't anything.

They have potentially fouled up regarding the rape case and if he walks on a technicality, then they have no reason to hold him in detention beyond his drug sentence unless they can nail him for something else in the meantime.

As an aside, if he walks on the rape conviction on a technicality, can he be tried again anywhere for the same crime, or would that also run foul of human rights ?
So he has an appeal pending re: The validity of his extradition for a different crime. Both countries involved can liaise and add crimes to warrants apparently, but I doubt they can do it until this latest appeal comes to fruition - which could be next month.
Even if it's overturned he will probably still be held, as a retrial may ensue and he is an obvious flight risk.

The main issue for me seems to be if it can be argued that he will get a fair trial, now that his ugly grid has appeared in every newspaper and internet portal on the planet. Now he has defence lawyers clamouring for his attention, he's bound to get top class representation - pro bono too no doubt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 27, 2020, 01:33:12 PM
I cannot find the right words.....discuss.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 27, 2020, 01:36:12 PM
https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447

RTP video with Sandra F....there are interviews with English witnesses & input by Jon Clarke of Olive Press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 01:39:35 PM
I wonder if German police used the words ‘Madeleine is dead’, as a strategy to get some reaction from Brückner within prison and from his inmates.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 01:33:12 PM
I cannot find the right words.....discuss.
His hair is fabulous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 01:33:12 PM
I cannot find the right words.....discuss.
Hi Misty, perhaps witnesses were mistaken that the rasta man they saw was Michael Sperrey? A bag of wigs were also found in Brückner’s home.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 01:53:45 PM
The colour one looks like a Californian beach boy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 01:54:43 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 01:33:12 PM
I cannot find the right words.....discuss.
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 27, 2020, 01:56:47 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/06/27/public-outrage-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-complains-he-is-getting-bullied-in-jail/
I think Brückner will not be granted bail. He is far safer where he is, than he would be in the outside world.

Thought he was supposed to be in solitary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 01:53:45 PM
The colour one looks like a Californian beach boy.
....like Fabio on crack
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 02:00:03 PM
Not sure that images of details of British passport holders should be shown on here, particularly without explanation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 02:03:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 26, 2020, 07:34:50 PM
I'll give it a go - have you seen the photofit right under CB.





https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11964573/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b/



That photofit made by Martin Smith resembles Gerry McCann IMO. And MS described the girl this man was carrying as wearing pink pyjamas like Maddie wore.

I believe both he and members of his family all saw the same man, but the problem with that is: they all said they saw this man at approximately 10pm, and Gerry McCann was inside the Tapas Bar at that time.

So it couldn’t have been Gerry McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 27, 2020, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 01:53:23 PM
Hi Misty, perhaps witnesses were mistaken that the rasta man they saw was Michael Sperrey? A bag of wigs were also found in Brückner’s home.

Sperrey was pictured on the morning of 4th May is the same camouflage gear witnesses had seen Rastaman wearing the previous evening. I will find the pic & add it to the post.

ETA Photo of Rastaman aka Sperry on the left outside Tapas reception on 4th May.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 27, 2020, 02:05:53 PM
Quote from: The General on June 27, 2020, 01:49:04 PM
His hair is fabulous.

I'm awaiting confirmation that the image is genuine & not CGI.

ETA Original source of image is here https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/goncalo-amaral-mostra-retrato-robo-de-suspeito-do-suspeito-do-caso-maddie-em-2007-que-desmente-versao-alema

It's a robot image presented by Amaral, not an actual photo of CB in 2007.

Give a man enough rope..........
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 02:03:35 PM


That photofit made by Martin Smith resembles Gerry McCann IMO. And MS described the girl this man was carrying as wearing pink pyjamas like Maddie wore.

I believe both he and members of his family all saw the same man, but the problem with that is: they all said they saw this man at approximately 10pm, and Gerry McCann was inside the Tapas Bar at that time.

So it couldn’t have been Gerry McCann.

If it is that easy to prove that Smithman wasn't GM (because he was at the Tapas Bar at 10pm) then this begs the question why didn't Clarence Mitchell publicise the sighting at the LSE event (January 2008) nor indeed at any of his public appeals around that time or since news of Smithman first broke? John makes the perfectly valid point that CM doesn't publicise Smithman because Smith thought it might have been GM (and CM believes him to be totally innocent). But if it's so easy to prove it wasn't GM then why not publicise a credible sighting of a possible abductor when we know how well they publicised lots of other reported sightings?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 02:00:03 PM
Not sure that images of details of British passport holders should be shown on here, particularly without explanation.
Taken from the PJ files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 02:26:20 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 02:03:35 PM


That photofit made by Martin Smith resembles Gerry McCann IMO. And MS described the girl this man was carrying as wearing pink pyjamas like Maddie wore.

I believe both he and members of his family all saw the same man, but the problem with that is: they all said they saw this man at approximately 10pm, and Gerry McCann was inside the Tapas Bar at that time.

So it couldn’t have been Gerry McCann.
And Amaral said, last year, that the new German suspect looks similar to Gerry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
Taken from the PJ files.

Thank you. Perhaps you should have made that clear in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 02:32:10 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 02:26:20 PM
And Amaral said, last year, that the new German suspect looks similar to Gerry.

Have you got a cite for that? Is Amaral blind??!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 02:31:20 PM
Thank you. Perhaps you should have made that clear in the first place.
It’s a pleasure, but why? His id could have been only in the PJ files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 02:32:10 PM
Have you got a cite for that? Is Amaral blind??!!
The interview can be found on YouTube.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 02:50:41 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 02:46:16 PM
It’s a pleasure, but why? His id could have been only in the PJ files.

You have a history of posting pictures from all over without explanation. It could have come from anywhere on the web.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 02:53:49 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 02:05:53 PM
I'm awaiting confirmation that the image is genuine & not CGI.

ETA Original source of image is here https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/goncalo-amaral-mostra-retrato-robo-de-suspeito-do-suspeito-do-caso-maddie-em-2007-que-desmente-versao-alema

It's a robot image presented by Amaral, not an actual photo of CB in 2007.

Give a man enough rope..........
I am wondering, Misty if this man with dreadlocks was the same man that Jeremy Wilkens encountered at the Tapas area on the evening of 3 May when he went to the bathroom?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 02:57:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 02:49:31 PM
The interview can be found on YouTube.

Under what title, please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 03:00:00 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 02:50:41 PM
You have a history of posting pictures from all over without explanation. It could have come from anywhere on the web.

It didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 03:02:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 02:50:41 PM
You have a history of posting pictures from all over without explanation. It could have come from anywhere on the web.
And you seem to apply selective reading and latching onto posts that suit you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 03:08:48 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 03:02:33 PM
And you seem to apply selective reading and latching onto posts that suit you.

Of course, life's too short to read everything. I skim over what doesn't interest me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 03:14:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 03:00:00 PM
It didn't.
Another source: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/former-portuguese-police-chief-goncalo-amaral-says-madeleine-mccann-suspect-is-in-german-prison/news-story/13992e3c9cc61ef835a2d95a7f5a7025
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 03:14:17 PM
Another source: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/former-portuguese-police-chief-goncalo-amaral-says-madeleine-mccann-suspect-is-in-german-prison/news-story/13992e3c9cc61ef835a2d95a7f5a7025
Sorry Eleanor, I meant to reply to Billy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 03:31:04 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 03:29:38 PM
Sorry Eleanor, I meant to reply to Billy.

Thanks I read it - cheers... I think he must be blind because imo Ney looks more like GM than CB does!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 02:26:20 PM
And Amaral said, last year, that the new German suspect looks similar to Gerry.


They’re like chalk and cheese!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 27, 2020, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 01:36:12 PM
https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447 (https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447)

RTP video with Sandra F....there are interviews with English witnesses & input by Jon Clarke of Olive Press.
That's a very interesting video, worth watching all the way through even though most of it is in Portuguese.  Interviews mainly in English with Brueckner's former neighbours, Ruth Maclean and her daughter Rosie, plus a bit more info near the end on the American woman who was raped in Casa Jacaranda.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 05:11:25 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 04:57:56 PM

They’re like chalk and cheese!

Yep!! I think we can safely say that Smithman wasn't CB using the same logic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 02:19:43 PM
If it is that easy to prove that Smithman wasn't GM (because he was at the Tapas Bar at 10pm) then this begs the question why didn't Clarence Mitchell publicise the sighting at the LSE event (January 2008) nor indeed at any of his public appeals around that time or since news of Smithman first broke? John makes the perfectly valid point that CM doesn't publicise Smithman because Smith thought it might have been GM (and CM believes him to be totally innocent). But if it's so easy to prove it wasn't GM then why not publicise a credible sighting of a possible abductor when we know how well they publicised lots of other reported sightings?

I haven’t followed this case so don’t know who Clarence Mitchell is.


I can’t answer why he never mentioned this in January 2008.


I can only speak from logic.

The man the Smithman family saw carrying a child resembles Gerry, undoubtedly. But the fact remains that all the family said they saw him at around 10pm. Gerry’s last trip to the apartment was, I believe, around 9PM?

They were doing half hourly checks, and I read the 9:30pm check was carried out by one of the Tapas 7, Matthew, who had the apartment next door and he said he’d check on the McCann’s too.

So from approximately 9:15pm until 10pm when Kate went to check and discovered Maddie missing, Gerry must have been inside the Tapas Bar otherwise the staff, friends, Kate and everyone else would have said he wasn’t , surely?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 05:19:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2020, 08:08:32 PM
more opinion as fact...i would say it definitely is...you cannnot supply any reason why the Germans would supply a scapegoat...I  think its  a totally barmy idea. Why would the German police go to all this trouble.....totally crackers


Why would the German police categorically say they have concrete evidence Maddie has been killed?

It can’t be just hearsay.

And obviously they don’t have a body, but for them to say such a thing if it wasn’t true would make them look not just incompetent, but mad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 05:19:58 PM

Why would the German police categorically say they have concrete evidence Maddie has been killed?

It can’t be just hearsay.

And obviously they don’t have a body, but for them to say such a thing if it wasn’t true would make them look not just incompetent, but mad.

What?  Like Amaral you mean?  He said he could prove that Madeleine was dead.  But he never has.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 27, 2020, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: The General on June 27, 2020, 01:10:04 PM
So he has an appeal pending re: The validity of his extradition for a different crime. Both countries involved can liaise and add crimes to warrants apparently, but I doubt they can do it until this latest appeal comes to fruition - which could be next month.
Even if it's overturned he will probably still be held, as a retrial may ensue and he is an obvious flight risk.

The main issue for me seems to be if it can be argued that he will get a fair trial, now that his ugly grid has appeared in every newspaper and internet portal on the planet. Now he has defence lawyers clamouring for his attention, he's bound to get top class representation - pro bono too no doubt.
He wouldn’t be tried by a jury but by 3 judges so having his,face plastered over the world’s media is neither here nor there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 05:30:53 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 01:36:12 PM
https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447

RTP video with Sandra F....there are interviews with English witnesses & input by Jon Clarke of Olive Press.

WOW!! Misty ... that is some video.  I wish I knew what all that paperwork was about.  Guess I'm just going to have to wait for Morais English interpretation of it all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 05:15:58 PM
I haven’t followed this case so don’t know who Clarence Mitchell is.


I can’t answer why he never mentioned this in January 2008.


I can only speak from logic.

The man the Smithman family saw carrying a child resembles Gerry, undoubtedly. But the fact remains that all the family said they saw him at around 10pm. Gerry’s last trip to the apartment was, I believe, around 9PM?

They were doing half hourly checks, and I read the 9:30pm check was carried out by one of the Tapas 7, Matthew, who had the apartment next door and he said he’d check on the McCann’s too.

So from approximately 9:15pm until 10pm when Kate went to check and discovered Maddie missing, Gerry must have been inside the Tapas Bar otherwise the staff, friends, Kate and everyone else would have said he wasn’t , surely?

But their timings are to an extent unreliable and none of the T7/9 had watches or phones.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 27, 2020, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 05:29:32 PM
What?  Like Amaral you mean?  He said he could prove that Madeleine was dead.  But he never has.

Thats two who've said basically the same though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 27, 2020, 05:32:34 PM
Thats two who've said basically the same though.

Agreed.  Personally, I am none too impressed with The Germans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 05:43:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
Agreed.  Personally, I am none too impressed with The Germans.
Did they bomb your chippy too?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 27, 2020, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 27, 2020, 05:02:58 PM
That's a very interesting video, worth watching all the way through even though most of it is in Portuguese.  Interviews mainly in English with Brueckner's former neighbours, Ruth Maclean and her daughter Rosie, plus a bit more info near the end on the American woman who was raped in Casa Jacaranda.

I am curious to know when the neighbours filed a Missing Persons report on him.
Rosie also confirmed that she heard loud sirens on the night of May 3rd sometime around 10.30pm which tends to support part of Murat's statement. However, 10.30pm was too early to have been the GNR on their way to Ocean Club.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 02:05:53 PM
I'm awaiting confirmation that the image is genuine & not CGI.

ETA Original source of image is here https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/goncalo-amaral-mostra-retrato-robo-de-suspeito-do-suspeito-do-caso-maddie-em-2007-que-desmente-versao-alema

It's a robot image presented by Amaral, not an actual photo of CB in 2007.

Give a man enough rope..........

We miss such a lot regarding what is going on in the Portuguese media if it isn't picked up by the tabloids here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 27, 2020, 05:46:47 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
Agreed.  Personally, I am none too impressed with The Germans.

Nor the PJ, is it a thing against the police in general.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 27, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 05:30:53 PM
WOW!! Misty ... that is some video.  I wish I knew what all that paperwork was about.  Guess I'm just going to have to wait for Morais English interpretation of it all.

The paperwork relates to the 2 rape crime reports, victim DM in Praia da Luz & victim HB in Praia da Rocha. Also the paperwork for the theft of vehicle fuel & disobedience.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 27, 2020, 05:49:45 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 05:15:58 PM
I haven’t followed this case so don’t know who Clarence Mitchell is.


I can’t answer why he never mentioned this in January 2008.


I can only speak from logic.

The man the Smithman family saw carrying a child resembles Gerry, undoubtedly. But the fact remains that all the family said they saw him at around 10pm. Gerry’s last trip to the apartment was, I believe, around 9PM?

They were doing half hourly checks, and I read the 9:30pm check was carried out by one of the Tapas 7, Matthew, who had the apartment next door and he said he’d check on the McCann’s too.

So from approximately 9:15pm until 10pm when Kate went to check and discovered Maddie missing, Gerry must have been inside the Tapas Bar otherwise the staff, friends, Kate and everyone else would have said he wasn’t , surely?

Not when you examine the statements and the waiter who served them said they had left by 9:50pm. That time is when Kate left to check according to Matt Oldfield. You would change the timeline to 10pm if you are involved because you had been seen!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 05:50:32 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 05:15:58 PM
I haven’t followed this case so don’t know who Clarence Mitchell is.


I can’t answer why he never mentioned this in January 2008.


I can only speak from logic.

The man the Smithman family saw carrying a child resembles Gerry, undoubtedly. But the fact remains that all the family said they saw him at around 10pm. Gerry’s last trip to the apartment was, I believe, around 9PM?

They were doing half hourly checks, and I read the 9:30pm check was carried out by one of the Tapas 7, Matthew, who had the apartment next door and he said he’d check on the McCann’s too.

So from approximately 9:15pm until 10pm when Kate went to check and discovered Maddie missing, Gerry must have been inside the Tapas Bar otherwise the staff, friends, Kate and everyone else would have said he wasn’t , surely?

The staff don't confirm any such thing. Read their statements. One thinks that possibly by as early as 21:30 they'd all left the table (bar one person) to look for the missing girl. At least two of them talk about the "father" being absent for about "half an hour" during the evening in question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 27, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 05:50:32 PM
The staff don't confirm any such thing. Read their statements. One thinks that possibly by as early as 21:30 they'd all left the table (bar one person) to look for the missing girl. At least two of them talk about the "father" being absent for about "half an hour" during the evening in question.
If you don’t accept the testimony of the McCanns’ friends regarding Gerry’s whereabouts at the time Kate raised the alarm then you would appear to believe they are ALL involved in a plot to cover up the death of a child.  Is that the case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 05:56:34 PM
Quote from: The General on June 27, 2020, 05:43:38 PM
Did they bomb your chippy too?

They bombed a bit more than that.

But basically I don't understand what Concrete Evidence means.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 27, 2020, 05:58:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
Agreed.  Personally, I am none too impressed with The Germans.

They have taken the bull by the horns & gone down an avenue PJ never could have by appealing on an international scale for historical information about CB. If Madeleine is ever to get justice then imo this is the only way it will happen. German police wouldn't be either insensitive or unprofessional enough to be just playing games with Madeleine's parents' emotions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 27, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
If you don’t accept the testimony of the McCanns’ friends regarding Gerry’s whereabouts at the time Kate raised the alarm then you would appear to believe they are ALL involved in a plot to cover up the death of a child.  Is that the case?


"All their friends had to be in on it" is the usual position taken by supporters.

It can never simply be that they were mistaken about the exact time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:01:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 27, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
If you don’t accept the testimony of the McCanns’ friends regarding Gerry’s whereabouts at the time Kate raised the alarm then you would appear to believe they are ALL involved in a plot to cover up the death of a child.  Is that the case?

No, you are jumping to conclusions. I don't believe there is reliable evidence from either the friends or the staff at the Tapas to conclude that Smithman can't have been GM because he was at the Tapas Bar at the time of the Smith family sighting. The statements do not support such a conclusive assessment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 06:05:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 05:29:32 PM
What?  Like Amaral you mean?  He said he could prove that Madeleine was dead.  But he never has.


From what I’ve read the Portuguese police were utterly inept.

I don’t get that impression with the German police officer in charge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 27, 2020, 06:05:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 05:56:34 PM
They bombed a bit more than that.

But basically I don't understand what Concrete Evidence means.

The german saw the body, can't be much else surely?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:06:47 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:05:38 PM

From what I’ve read the Portuguese police were utterly inept.

I don’t get that impression with the German police officer in charge.

Impressions can be misleading.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 06:08:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 27, 2020, 06:05:52 PM
The german saw the body, can't be much else surely?
The parents must have been notified of the details of this latest development.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 05:32:23 PM
But their timings are to an extent unreliable and none of the T7/9 had watches or phones.


I find that hard to believe that none of the T9 had watches or phones!

How did they know when it was whose turn to do a child-check?

The Tapas Bar must have had a clock, and the staff must have had watches, phones etc.

I can’t believe none of them knew what the time was.


And everyone knows for certain that Kate found Maddie missing at around 10pm...the staff heard and sa wher when she ran back!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 27, 2020, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 27, 2020, 06:05:52 PM
The german saw the body, can't be much else surely?

What about.... Perish the thought... The German had a photo on the memory stick
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 27, 2020, 06:05:52 PM
The german saw the body, can't be much else surely?

I really don't know.  But if they saw The Body then where is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:09:37 PM

I find that hard to believe that none of the T9 had watches or phones!

How did they know when it was who’s turn to do a child-check?

The Tapas Bar must have had a clock, and the staff must have had watches, phones etc.

I can’t believe none of them knew what the time was.

I believe Clarence said not, in one of his interviews.

Regarding a clock, best ask someone who went on holiday there & scouted the place out shortly afterward
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:09:37 PM

I find that hard to believe that none of the T9 had watches or phones!

How did they know when it was who’s turn to do a child-check?

The Tapas Bar must have had a clock, and the staff must have had watches, phones etc.

I can’t believe none of them knew what the time was.
Well according to the timeline, that they wrote themselves, Rachel Oldfield asked what the time was at 21.55 - an odd entry to make on a definitive timeline of events given the circumstances, but there you go.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 27, 2020, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 27, 2020, 06:10:02 PM
What about.... Perish the thought... The German had a photo on the memory stick

That's how I read it too - and they got the phone number from the EXIF detail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 06:13:25 PM
That's how I read it too - and they got the phone number from the EXIF detail.
Makes sense actually.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 06:16:21 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 27, 2020, 05:49:45 PM
Not when you examine the statements and the waiter who served them said they had left by 9:50pm. That time is when Kate left to check according to Matt Oldfield. You would change the timeline to 10pm if you are involved because you had been seen!


Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean.

I read that Kate did a check at 10pm and then ran back to the Tapas Bar screaming that Maddie had been taken.

Are you saying that all the Tapas9 and all the staff lied?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:09:37 PM

I find that hard to believe that none of the T9 had watches or phones!

How did they know when it was whose turn to do a child-check?

The Tapas Bar must have had a clock, and the staff must have had watches, phones etc.

I can’t believe none of them knew what the time was.


And everyone knows for certain that Kate found Maddie missing at around 10pm...the staff heard and sa wher when she ran back!
I find that hard to believe that none of the T9 had watches or phones! I agree, but that's what we're told.

How did they know when it was who’s turn to do a child-check? Very good point!!

The Tapas Bar must have had a clock, and the staff must have had watches, phones etc. Indeed, so their statements are important. You can read them all in the PJ Files

I can’t believe none of them knew what the time was. Agreed - in any case the statements do not lead to a conclusive assessment that GM was at the Tapas Bar at the time of the Smith sighting.


And everyone knows for certain that Kate found Maddie missing at around 10pm...the staff heard and sa wher when she ran back! "around" 10pm... being an important observation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 27, 2020, 06:18:59 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
I really don't know.  But if they saw The Body then where is it?

Stop complicating things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 05:50:32 PM
The staff don't confirm any such thing. Read their statements. One thinks that possibly by as early as 21:30 they'd all left the table (bar one person) to look for the missing girl. At least two of them talk about the "father" being absent for about "half an hour" during the evening in question.


Do you have a link to the waiters’ statements, please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:20:03 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:16:21 PM

Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean.

I read that Kate did a check at 10pm and then ran back to the Tapas Bar screaming that Maddie had been taken.

Are you saying that all the Tapas9 and all the staff lied?

Heaven forbid. Mistaken over timing, perhaps.  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:19:29 PM

Do you have a link to the waiters’ statements, please?
There's a lot of them....https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk (https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 27, 2020, 06:18:59 PM
Stop complicating things.

Good One.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 27, 2020, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2020, 06:01:10 PM

"All their friends had to be in on it" is the usual position taken by supporters.

It can never simply be that they were mistaken about the exact time.
They agreed to a time of 10pm for the alarm to have been raised, so were they all mistaken in your view?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:22:48 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:16:21 PM

Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean.

I read that Kate did a check at 10pm and then ran back to the Tapas Bar screaming that Maddie had been taken.

Are you saying that all the Tapas9 and all the staff lied?

You can read the staff statements. They didn't lie. They just don't support what you assert they do. The timeline is far from clear and agreed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:19:29 PM

Do you have a link to the waiters’ statements, please?

Of course:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm

Scroll down to "Tapas Bar Employees"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 27, 2020, 05:49:45 PM
Not when you examine the statements and the waiter who served them said they had left by 9:50pm. That time is when Kate left to check according to Matt Oldfield. You would change the timeline to 10pm if you are involved because you had been seen!

I thought the Tapas9 had group bookings for 8:30pm each night?

One hour & 20 minutes for a leisurely Tapas dinner on holiday with wine etc is far too short IMO. And according to reports, the previous evenings they all stayed out eating and drinking until almost midnight?

And if they were only spending just 1 hour & 20 mins on dinner, why do half hourly checks — one just 20 minutes before they were heading back? That doesn’t make sense.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 06:28:53 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2020, 06:01:10 PM

"All their friends had to be in on it" is the usual position taken by supporters.

It can never simply be that they were mistaken about the exact time.


They can’t ALL be mistaken on the times.

Especially when they’d all agreed to do half hourly checks.

How were they supposed to check ever half hour without knowing the time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:26:05 PM
I thought the Tapas9 had group bookings for 8:30pm each night?

One hour & 20 minutes for a leisurely Tapas dinner on holiday with wine etc is far too short IMO. And according to reports, the previous evenings they all stayed out eating and drinking until almost midnight?

And if they were only spending just 1 hour & 20 mins on dinner, why do half hourly checks — one just 20 minutes before they were heading back? That doesn’t make sense.

I don't think anyone ever asked them about that. Perhaps they were planning to go on somewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:28:53 PM

They can’t ALL be mistaken on the times.

Especially when they’d all agreed to do half hourly checks.

How were they supposed to check ever half hour without knowing the time?

A little mystery that has never been explained.


Clarence Mitchell * - Gerry McCanns Blogs
www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk › Nigel
24 Sep 2007 - Clarence Mitchell, speaking outside Gerry and Kate McCann's home in Rothley, ... I went with them in this trip and I guarantee that we did not bury any body. ... 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile ..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 27, 2020, 06:34:14 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 12:49:08 PM
Just a thought.
A DNA match from the Portuguese crime scene enabled Brueckner's rape conviction in a German court.  So there must have been a level of forensic co-operation between Germany and Portugal at one time.

Why does that appear to have been abrogated in the inquiry concerning Madeleine McCann and suspicion regarding Brueckner?

An interesting question, Brie


Makes one wonder if some important person/ people are being protected and the Good departments of the PJ are being screwed down

I don't think that there could have been a special collusion betwixt The Portuguese and The Germans to pre-empt and upset the OG findings, do you ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 27, 2020, 06:40:31 PM
Quote from: The General on June 27, 2020, 01:10:04 PM
So he has an appeal pending re: The validity of his extradition for a different crime. Both countries involved can liaise and add crimes to warrants apparently, but I doubt they can do it until this latest appeal comes to fruition - which could be next month.
Even if it's overturned he will probably still be held, as a retrial may ensue and he is an obvious flight risk.

The main issue for me seems to be if it can be argued that he will get a fair trial, now that his ugly grid has appeared in every newspaper and internet portal on the planet. Now he has defence lawyers clamouring for his attention, he's bound to get top class representation - pro bono too no doubt.

I had thought of that too, but couldn't find the words too express it so clearly as you.   Having been discussed so much on the media, there could maybe be a wriggling out space for CB.

Hope we, and others, haven't given him a wriggling out space.    Very clever, if someone has engineered that !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 06:43:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 27, 2020, 06:10:02 PM
What about.... Perish the thought... The German had a photo on the memory stick


Considering CB took a video of himself raping the 72-year-old woman, and showing it to his friend in a bar, it would be most unlikely that if he did kidnap Maddie he didn’t video horrifying things.

It makes you shudder, but you have to get into his mindset. He’d have taken a video for his evil pleasure. He may even have sold it to equally evil creatures on the dark web.

I can’t believe the Germans are so adamant that he killed Maddie had they no proof he had.

It’s quite possible that with the passing years CB grew confident, then when he was in the bar, drinking beer, getting slowly relaxed and tongue loosening, he bragged to his friend who he wrongly assumed wouldn’t say a word due to fear. It’s coincidental he showed his friend the video of him raping the elderly lady just after Maddie flashed up on the TV. That’s not coincidence IMO...

I suspect he showed him something else too.

The German police clearly believe that friend’s word, maybe by something he told him about Maddie that’s never been revealed publicly and only the police know.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:26:05 PM
That doesn’t make sense.

Exactly. It pays to read the actual statements rather than take as gospel the narrative according to the family spokesman - Clarence Mitchell. You said you had never heard of him. Check his C.V.  Look at the work he does. He has been called a "spinmaster". Is there any truth in that? you must decidefor yourself.  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
I really don't know.  But if they saw The Body then where is it?

With all due respect, Eleanor, when the 72-year-old lady was raped by CB, unless anyone knew where it took place it could have been absolutely anywhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 02:19:43 PM
If it is that easy to prove that Smithman wasn't GM (because he was at the Tapas Bar at 10pm) then this begs the question why didn't Clarence Mitchell publicise the sighting at the LSE event (January 2008) nor indeed at any of his public appeals around that time or since news of Smithman first broke? John makes the perfectly valid point that CM doesn't publicise Smithman because Smith thought it might have been GM (and CM believes him to be totally innocent). But if it's so easy to prove it wasn't GM then why not publicise a credible sighting of a possible abductor when we know how well they publicised lots of other reported sightings?

Did you miss the post where I explained to you exactly why your preoccupation with Clarence Mtchell and this event is totally wrong. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg602450#msg602450

This was a debate about the Media and the McCanns ... I wonder the loud mouths who went out of their way to make a show of themselves at it didn't ask for answers to your question.

Snip
So far, so good. But once the debate was opened out to the audience by chairman Steve Hewlett, it went nowhere helpful. A vociferous group who have formed an organisation called The Madeleine Foundation showed a lamentable grasp of debating rules by interrupting speakers and shouting out a string of offensive comments about the McCanns and their PRs.

Their anger may have been sincere, but it became abundantly clear that they are infected with prejudice. Many of the claims they made - about money donated to the McCanns' fund, about payments to PRs, about the McCanns' actions and relationship with the police - were obviously based on the inaccurate accusations and innuendos published by so many newspapers.

However, reflecting on the debate on my journey home, I realised that they represented the authentic voice of so many British people, the Sun readers Kelvin had mentioned and probably the readers of all popular papers. It is not pretty.

Their unconcealed bile, their lack of compassion for the McCanns, their sanctimonious statements about the supposed parenting inadequacies of the McCanns, do not stem wholly from poor reporting.

Certainly, false stories have contributed to their fallacious arguments. But they were uninterested in the rational statements of Mitchell and McGuinness. They took no notice of the subtle arguments of Graef and Mills.

They were the equivalent of those mobs outside courts in murder trials, deaf to facts, cocooned from reality by their own self-righteous demagoguery. Their major aim, outlined in a "manifesto" circulated within the lecture theatre, is to see the McCanns prosecuted for "abandoning" their children.

The newspapers that have retailed nonsense about this case do have a lot to answer for. But then so do the people, do they not? What the debate never touched on was whether the media could, even eight months' on, play a positive role to counter the misinformation that appears now to have taken such a grip among the population.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2008/jan/31/themccannsdebatefrombanali


Smithman was a long time ago and unless you can make a connection between him and the German prime suspect Brueckner ... decidedly off topic on this thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:47:15 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:43:23 PM

Considering CB took a video of himself raping the 72-year-old woman, and showing it to his friend in a bar, it would be most unlikely that if he did kidnap Maddie he didn’t video horrifying things.

It makes you shudder, but you have to get into his mindset. He’d have taken a video for his evil pleasure. He may even have sold it to equally evil creatures on the dark web.

I can’t believe the Germans are so adamant that he killed Maddie had they no proof he had.

It’s quite possible that with the passing years CB grew confident, then when he was in the bar, drinking beer, getting slowly relaxed and tongue loosening, he bragged to his friend who he wrongly assumed wouldn’t say a word due to fear. It’s coincidental he showed his friend the video of him raping the elderly lady just after Maddie flashed up on the TV. That’s not coincidence IMO...

I suspect he showed him something else too.

The German police clearly believe that friend’s word, maybe by something he told him about Maddie that’s never been revealed publicly and only the police know.


Beats me too.
Perhaps it's a case of   'In our professional opinion'. 
Worth tiddly squit without hard evidence tying CB to her body.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:12:00 PM
I believe Clarence said not, in one of his interviews.

Regarding a clock, best ask someone who went on holiday there & scouted the place out shortly afterward

Oh, c’mon....all waiters, including the manager and chef know what the time is when running a restaurant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:47:31 PM
Oh, c’mon....all waiters, including the manager and chef know what the time is when running a restaurant.

Read what he says. I posted a link only a few posts back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:28:53 PM

They can’t ALL be mistaken on the times.

Especially when they’d all agreed to do half hourly checks.

How were they supposed to check ever half hour without knowing the time?

Mistaken/ telling lies/ misdirecting the truth call it what you like. Here is the thing: Initial claims were to tell the UK press via the media they contacted were the couples checked the children every 30 minutes- what is in your head when you hear that?  I was of the impression they looked in non the children as they slept- No, it wasn't physical checks it was 'listening at the door'.

Now, this is the awkward bit- never explained - On the evening Little Maddie disappeared there was an exception to this 'rule'- the 'time line 'changed.

Not only did other tapas group 'check' The McCanns children, they had more frequent checks, and two looked in 'physical checks' on the children. AND in the smallest ever opportunity someone jemmied a shutter-climbed in a window and ran off with MBM via same small window without leaving ANY DNA.  remarkable eh? And all the while daddy is talking just outside the gate chatting- never saw or heard a thing. not even JT and the bogie man

and on another note not to be missed- when asked if others checked the McCanns children any other night they said No. That wasn't the agreement- they checked on their own children- DP had a child listening device.


So let us look at the timeline- they had two... They had no watches or phones to check the time- it was all guess work... They got to make it up to suit themselves-no independent witnesses with accurate times to corroborate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 06:49:36 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:45:37 PM
With all due respect, Eleanor, when the 72-year-old lady was raped by CB, unless anyone knew where it took place it could have been absolutely anywhere.

Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  Remember that one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: The General on June 27, 2020, 06:12:48 PM
Well according to the timeline, that they wrote themselves, Rachel Oldfield asked what the time was at 21.55 - an odd entry to make on a definitive timeline of events given the circumstances, but there you go.


Not sure who Rachel Oldfield is, I’m assuming she was one of the T9

I don’t see anything untoward in asking the time at 21:55?

All that shows is that they were still in the Tapas Bar
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 27, 2020, 06:50:58 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 27, 2020, 06:40:31 PM
I had thought of that too, but couldn't find the words too express it so clearly as you.   Having been discussed so much on the media, there could maybe be a wriggling out space for CB.

Hope we, and others, haven't given him a wriggling out space.    Very clever, if someone has engineered that !
It would appear that the German police had to make a strategic decision; run that risk of providing him with grounds for 'unfair' treatment (in the legal sense), but hope that the appeal for information garnered the corroboration they required. It's looking increasingly that the gamble, such as it is, has not borne fruit.
With the focus on the cars, the corroboration could only be DNA harvested from one of them, which hasn't transpired. There can be no other avenue IMO.

Now we do have the very real prospect of his legal team arguing the unfair angle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 06:51:34 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 03:31:04 PM
Thanks I read it - cheers... I think he must be blind because imo Ney looks more like GM than CB does!!

     In my opinion he is a ringer for Cristovao.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:51:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 06:45:48 PM
Did you miss the post where I explained to you exactly why your preoccupation with Clarence Mtchell and this event is totally wrong. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg602450#msg602450

This was a debate about the Media and the McCanns ... I wonder the loud mouths who went out of their way to make a show of themselves at it didn't ask for answers to your question.

Snip
So far, so good. But once the debate was opened out to the audience by chairman Steve Hewlett, it went nowhere helpful. A vociferous group who have formed an organisation called The Madeleine Foundation showed a lamentable grasp of debating rules by interrupting speakers and shouting out a string of offensive comments about the McCanns and their PRs.

Their anger may have been sincere, but it became abundantly clear that they are infected with prejudice. Many of the claims they made - about money donated to the McCanns' fund, about payments to PRs, about the McCanns' actions and relationship with the police - were obviously based on the inaccurate accusations and innuendos published by so many newspapers.

However, reflecting on the debate on my journey home, I realised that they represented the authentic voice of so many British people, the Sun readers Kelvin had mentioned and probably the readers of all popular papers. It is not pretty.

Their unconcealed bile, their lack of compassion for the McCanns, their sanctimonious statements about the supposed parenting inadequacies of the McCanns, do not stem wholly from poor reporting.

Certainly, false stories have contributed to their fallacious arguments. But they were uninterested in the rational statements of Mitchell and McGuinness. They took no notice of the subtle arguments of Graef and Mills.

They were the equivalent of those mobs outside courts in murder trials, deaf to facts, cocooned from reality by their own self-righteous demagoguery. Their major aim, outlined in a "manifesto" circulated within the lecture theatre, is to see the McCanns prosecuted for "abandoning" their children.

The newspapers that have retailed nonsense about this case do have a lot to answer for. But then so do the people, do they not? What the debate never touched on was whether the media could, even eight months' on, play a positive role to counter the misinformation that appears now to have taken such a grip among the population.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2008/jan/31/themccannsdebatefrombanali


Smithman was a long time ago and unless you can make a connection between him and the German prime suspect Brueckner ... decidedly off topic on this thread.

Yes thank you.

There's nothing there though that suggests Smithman can't be GM or CB.

Smithman isn't "a long time ago". SY decided he was of central importance. Given what the German Police have said about CB and concrete evidence then it stands to reason that there could be a connection between Smithman and the German Sex Offender.... We must examine Smithman as a vital piece of the jigsaw.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 07:04:09 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:51:40 PM
Yes thank you.

There's nothing there though that suggests Smithman can't be GM or CB.

Smithman isn't "a long time ago". SY decided he was of central importance. Given what the German Police have said about CB and concrete evidence then it stands to reason that there could be a connection between Smithman and the German Sex Offender.... We must examine Smithman as a vital piece of the jigsaw.

Does that mean you understand that neither 'Smithman' nor any other 'man' was the subject of this debate which took place prior to the archiving of Madeleine's case and correct me if I'm wrong prior to the date of the alleged harassment of the Smiths by McCann private detectives.

What steps did the Judicial Police take to publicise the Smith sighting.  I have asked you that before but don't remember your answer.

We don't need to 'examine' anything in relation to Brueckner.  That is something to be investigated by the appropriate authorities and to date Smithman does not appear to be one of their priorities and I think Mr Smith will be relieved at that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: The General on June 27, 2020, 06:50:58 PM
It would appear that the German police had to make a strategic decision; run that risk of providing him with grounds for 'unfair' treatment (in the legal sense), but hope that the appeal for information garnered the corroboration they required. It's looking increasingly that the gamble, such as it is, has not borne fruit.
With the focus on the cars, the corroboration could only be DNA harvested from one of them, which hasn't transpired. There can be no other avenue IMO.

Now we do have the very real prospect of his legal team arguing the unfair angle.


Yes, that sounds about right-Freeman walking.

I have this uncomfortable feeling he does know something though- even if not directly involved. He is never going to divulge anything he might know- due to his mindset.  It is without question that if MBM was abducted by paedophile/s images would appear somewhere on the dark net. My guess is nothing has, which means only distributed  to very few die-hards or deleted.

Many police in many countries do share intelligence on these matters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 27, 2020, 07:10:19 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 07:05:39 PM

Yes, that sounds about right-Freeman walking.

I have this uncomfortable feeling he does know something though- even if not directly involved. He is never going to divulge anything he might know- due to his mindset.  It is without question that if MBM was abducted by paedophile/s images would appear somewhere on the dark net. My guess is nothing has, which means only distributed  to very few die-hards or deleted.

Many police in many countries do share intelligence on these matters.

my guess is perhaps one of the images on the  memory stick found was from the dark web and featured maddie..
Not  a pleasant thought but it would offfer an explanation
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 07:12:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 07:04:09 PM
Does that mean you understand that neither 'Smithman' nor any other 'man' was the subject of this debate which took place prior to the archiving of Madeleine's case and correct me if I'm wrong prior to the date of the alleged harassment of the Smiths by McCann private detectives.

What steps did the Judicial Police take to publicise the Smith sighting.  I have asked you that before but don't remember your answer.

We don't need to 'examine' anything in relation to Brueckner.  That is something to be investigated by the appropriate authorities and to date Smithman does not appear to be one of their priorities and I think Mr Smith will be relieved at that.


"What steps did the Judicial Police take to publicise the Smith sighting "

What makes you think they didn't in LUZ? Amaral was removed and the case was shelved- was there a point?

   The McCanns knew about him as well and kept quiet for years, selling the Tanneman ghost instead. The UK press well told to shut up as it was upsetting the 'couple' via legal threats.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 07:13:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 27, 2020, 07:10:19 PM
my guess is perhaps one of the images on the  memory stick found was from the dark web and featured maddie..
Not  a pleasant thought but it would offfer an explanation


Yes Davel, that is quite possible- horrible thought as you say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 07:15:40 PM
I still think these words from Brückner to his ex-girlfriend on the evening of 2 May 2007, are profound: 'It's a horrible job but it's something I have to do and it will change my life. You won't be seeing me for a while.’
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
The paperwork relates to the 2 rape crime reports, victim DM in Praia da Luz & victim HB in Praia da Rocha. Also the paperwork for the theft of vehicle fuel & disobedience.

Should have known you would be on it, Misty.

I thought it interesting that Portuguese media are giving so much attention to the Irish girl's rape.  I wonder how Felgueiras coped with passing on the information that the forensics from that attack had been discarded.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 07:16:46 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:22:48 PM
You can read the staff statements. They didn't lie. They just don't support what you assert they do. The timeline is far from clear and agreed.


I’ve looked at the Tapas Bar employees statements and there’s nothing there that says the group left at 9:30pm.

On the contrary, they said that at around (or after) 10pm Kate ran back screaming saying her child was missing; all the group jumped up and rushed out leaving just an elderly lady sat at the table (one of the grandmothers).

Have I missed something?

Because from what I’ve read all the times fit.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 07:16:53 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 07:05:39 PM

Yes, that sounds about right-Freeman walking.

I have this uncomfortable feeling he does know something though- even if not directly involved. He is never going to divulge anything he might know- due to his mindset.  It is without question that if MBM was abducted by paedophile/s images would appear somewhere on the dark net. My guess is nothing has, which means only distributed  to very few die-hards or deleted.

Many police in many countries do share intelligence on these matters.

Or no images taken in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 27, 2020, 07:18:51 PM
A live update via Twitter:-
Media are gathered outside the church in Luz. Amaral is going to be speaking (yet again) in around an hour about "The Perfect Crime".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 07:23:09 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 05:58:57 PM
They have taken the bull by the horns & gone down an avenue PJ never could have by appealing on an international scale for historical information about CB. If Madeleine is ever to get justice then imo this is the only way it will happen. German police wouldn't be either insensitive or unprofessional enough to be just playing games with Madeleine's parents' emotions.

Reluctantly, I have to agree with that.  I think it may not be unrelated to the burned video ~ but I've got quite a few reservations about that too.
There's still a lot to come out about this man, I think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 27, 2020, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 07:18:51 PM
A live update via Twitter:-
Media are gathered outside the church in Luz. Amaral is going to be speaking (yet again) in around an hour about "The Perfect Crime".

lets see if he accuses the parents....with his free speech
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 07:27:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 27, 2020, 06:10:02 PM
What about.... Perish the thought... The German had a photo on the memory stick

I don't think they have physical evidence of that kind.  I think they have been told about something and are now seeking confirmation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 27, 2020, 07:28:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 27, 2020, 07:25:10 PM
lets see if he accuses the parents....with his free speech

Or maybe he'll be arrested live on TV.... 8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 07:28:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
I don't think anyone ever asked them about that. Perhaps they were planning to go on somewhere.


Every night previously they stayed in the Tapas Bar until around midnight, so it’s a stretch of the imagination that they’d decide to go off somewhere else after dining when they had to half hourly checks.

Besides, all the witness statements from staff at the Tapas Bar said they were all still eating/drinking there until Kate rushed in at around 10pm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 07:29:04 PM
He seems desperate to validate himself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:18:41 PM



According to statements Gerry was inside the Tapas Bar between 8:30pm until approximately 9pm

He then returned and didn’t do another check as one of the Tapas9 did the 9:30pm check.

Gerry remained in the Tapas Bar when Kate went at 10pm to do her check and then ran back to say Maddie was missing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
A little mystery that has never been explained.


Clarence Mitchell * - Gerry McCanns Blogs
www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk › Nigel
24 Sep 2007 - Clarence Mitchell, speaking outside Gerry and Kate McCann's home in Rothley, ... I went with them in this trip and I guarantee that we did not bury any body. ... 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile ..


Thank you for that link you provided...I can’t find which part I should read?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 07:04:09 PM
Does that mean you understand that neither 'Smithman' nor any other 'man' was the subject of this debate which took place prior to the archiving of Madeleine's case and correct me if I'm wrong prior to the date of the alleged harassment of the Smiths by McCann private detectives.

What steps did the Judicial Police take to publicise the Smith sighting.  I have asked you that before but don't remember your answer.

We don't need to 'examine' anything in relation to Brueckner.  That is something to be investigated by the appropriate authorities and to date Smithman does not appear to be one of their priorities and I think Mr Smith will be relieved at that.


This is in no way critical of the mods but maybe the answer was in one the posts that was deleted  $6(& .

As I said.... The PJ were making arrangements for the Smiths to return to Portugal. They were planning on further questioning, hoping for a formal ID and were at the same time looking at a reconstruction to test timelines.

Do you believe SY are wrong in suspecting Smithman (not Tannerman) might well be the person carrying MM away from 5A? If you believe they are right, and if you believe there may be a connection to CB and MM's reported death. Then it stands to reason that Smithman is an important link. I notice you are debating the German Sex Offender here.... why do I have to leave it to the appropriate authorities?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 07:39:34 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 07:28:55 PM

Every night previously they stayed in the Tapas Bar until around midnight, so it’s a stretch of the imagination that they’d decide to go off somewhere else after dining when they had to half hourly checks.

Besides, all the witness statements from staff at the Tapas Bar said they were all still eating/drinking there until Kate rushed in at around 10pm.

No they don't. None of them are that precise!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 27, 2020, 07:41:40 PM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 07:18:51 PM
A live update via Twitter:-
Media are gathered outside the church in Luz. Amaral is going to be speaking (yet again) in around an hour about "The Perfect Crime".
Is it the Second Coming?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:44:40 PM
Exactly. It pays to read the actual statements rather than take as gospel the narrative according to the family spokesman - Clarence Mitchell. You said you had never heard of him. Check his C.V.  Look at the work he does. He has been called a "spinmaster". Is there any truth in that? you must decidefor yourself.  8(0(*

I don’t know who Clarence is, but I do know that most everyone knows what the time is when they’re in a busy restaurant filled with customers and staff.

They all had phones for one thing.

How do you think Kate and Gerry texted each other?

Everyone had phones in 2007.

And most people had watches too...still do.

Restaurants also have tills...showing receipts with times on.

I can’t understand how this timing has come about when a restaurant filled with customers witnessed the events.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 27, 2020, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 07:43:31 PM
I don’t know who Clarence is, but I do know that most everyone knows what the time is when they’re in a busy restaurant filled with customers and staff.

They all had phones for one thing.

How do you think Kate and Gerry texted each other?

Everyone had phones in 2007.

And most people had watches too...still do.

Restaurants also have tills...showing receipts with times on.

I can’t understand how this timing has come about when a restaurant filled with customers witnessed the events.
Everyone had phones in 2007 but they weren’t smartphones they were just phones to communicate with each other and as the group were all together in a foreign country it’s unlikely they would have taken their phones with them to dinner IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 07:46:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
A little mystery that has never been explained.


Clarence Mitchell * - Gerry McCanns Blogs
www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk › Nigel
24 Sep 2007 - Clarence Mitchell, speaking outside Gerry and Kate McCann's home in Rothley, ... I went with them in this trip and I guarantee that we did not bury any body. ... 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile ..


No mystery there...that’s either a strange rumour or a mistake.

Nine professionals didn’t have their phone or watch on? C’mon...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:47:15 PM

Beats me too.
Perhaps it's a case of   'In our professional opinion'. 
Worth tiddly squit without hard evidence tying CB to her body.


But that top German police officer knows more tiddly squat than you do...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 06:22:48 PM
You can read the staff statements. They didn't lie. They just don't support what you assert they do. The timeline is far from clear and agreed.

Coming back to you...

How do you know none of the staff didn’t lie? Why would a waiter/barman/manager be holier than thou?  They had a real mixture working there...

I’ve picked up one of the statements which has raised a red flag, but it could be nothing, so I’m saying nothing as I may be totally wrong.


I’ve also read that someone working at the complex may have been an associate of Christian B.

That may be false: but it may be true.

I feel so many rumours started from day one, that the whole thing has gone totally off course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 08:01:21 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 07:12:40 PM

"What steps did the Judicial Police take to publicise the Smith sighting "

What makes you think they didn't in LUZ? Amaral was removed and the case was shelved- was there a point?

   The McCanns knew about him as well and kept quiet for years, selling the Tanneman ghost instead. The UK press well told to shut up as it was upsetting the 'couple' via legal threats.

I think you will find it became unfashionable for the British press to print lies after Express newspapers had to cough up as a result of doing just that.

Now as we were saying about the prime suspect ... the topic of the thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2020, 07:15:40 PM
I still think these words from Brückner to his ex-girlfriend on the evening of 2 May 2007, are profound: 'It's a horrible job but it's something I have to do and it will change my life. You won't be seeing me for a while.’

I think the next time he was seen after that was when he was driving his Winnebago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 27, 2020, 08:06:51 PM
BLM is off the menu for now,beaches are empty cause the weathers changed,lets get back to old faithful.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466347/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-British-neighbour-destroyed-likely-DNA-evidence-house.html



Madeleine McCann suspect's British neighbour admits she unwittingly destroyed any likely DNA evidence from his squalid house when she cleaned up after a burglary
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 08:08:04 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
I think the next time he was seen after that was when he was driving his Winnebago.

He came into a large sum of money, did he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 07:16:46 PM

I’ve looked at the Tapas Bar employees statements and there’s nothing there that says the group left at 9:30pm.

On the contrary, they said that at around (or after) 10pm Kate ran back screaming saying her child was missing; all the group jumped up and rushed out leaving just an elderly lady sat at the table (one of the grandmothers).

Have I missed something?

Because from what I’ve read all the times fit.

Which Tapas Staff statement says exactly when GM was at the table and at what time? That's the point. Some of them talk  about him being away (for up to half an hour) but no-one says he was definitely there at the precise time of the Smith sighting. Then as we are told by the spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, none of the friends had watches or phones.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 07:37:36 PM
This is in no way critical of the mods but maybe the answer was in one the posts that was deleted  $6(& .

As I said.... The PJ were making arrangements for the Smiths to return to Portugal. They were planning on further questioning, hoping for a formal ID and were at the same time looking at a reconstruction to test timelines.

Do you believe SY are wrong in suspecting Smithman (not Tannerman) might well be the person carrying MM away from 5A? If you believe they are right, and if you believe there may be a connection to CB and MM's reported death. Then it stands to reason that Smithman is an important link. I notice you are debating the German Sex Offender here.... why do I have to leave it to the appropriate authorities?

Do you think you have the ability to crack the case for the Germans?  Best left to those with the requisite skills don't you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:12:50 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
Coming back to you...

How do you know none of the staff didn’t lie? Why would a waiter/barman/manager be holier than thou?  They had a real mixture working there...

I’ve picked up one of the statements which has raised a red flag, but it could be nothing, so I’m saying nothing as I may be totally wrong.


I’ve also read that someone working at the complex may have been an associate of Christian B.

That may be false: but it may be true.

I feel so many rumours started from day one, that the whole thing has gone totally off course.

Fair enough they might lie... my point is only that there isn't a cast iron alibi for GM within the statements of the bar staff.

I'd be interested in your red flag. Would you PM it? I would not share it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 08:08:04 PM
He came into a large sum of money, did he?

Maybe he was well paid for concealing a body? Now there's an unlikely scenario if ever there was one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 27, 2020, 07:41:40 PM
Is it the Second Coming?

               STOP IT!!!  I nearly choked laughing at that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2020, 08:15:40 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 27, 2020, 06:22:19 PM
They agreed to a time of 10pm for the alarm to have been raised, so were they all mistaken in your view?

Matt wasn't imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:15:01 PM
Maybe he was well paid for concealing a body? Now there's an unlikely scenario if ever there was one.

More likely for selling a live child.  If in fact he did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
Coming back to you...

How do you know none of the staff didn’t lie? Why would a waiter/barman/manager be holier than thou?  They had a real mixture working there...

I’ve picked up one of the statements which has raised a red flag, but it could be nothing, so I’m saying nothing as I may be totally wrong.


I’ve also read that someone working at the complex may have been an associate of Christian B.

That may be false: but it may be true.

I feel so many rumours started from day one, that the whole thing has gone totally off course.
I feel so many rumours started from day one, that the whole thing has gone totally off course.

You will never utter a truer word about Madeleeine McCann's case.  Oh my ... how badly that little girl was let down by it all too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 27, 2020, 08:24:31 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 06:16:21 PM

Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean.

I read that Kate did a check at 10pm and then ran back to the Tapas Bar screaming that Maddie had been taken.

Are you saying that all the Tapas9 and all the staff lied?

Many of the group did not know the alarm time and guessed. They assumed 10 was correct because the McCanns said they checked every 30 minutes so 10 = Kate's check. Gerry and Matt both wore watches. Matt said Kate left at 9:50 to check. Gerry said it was exactly 10:03. There is a reason for this difference in time which I don't need to expand on here but OG have it! They should know the timeline is the key to uncover what happened and how Madeleine disappeared!



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2020, 08:26:13 PM


The whole group simultaneously checked the exact time at the moment Kate came running to the table.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2020, 08:26:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 08:08:04 PM
He came into a large sum of money, did he?

Going by his wheels I would have to answer in the affirmative.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2020, 08:26:13 PM

The whole group simultaneously checked the exact time at the moment Kate came running to the table.

On the watches that only Matt and Gerry were wearing!?!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:48:43 PM
Read what he says. I posted a link only a few posts back.


You posted a link, but it doesn’t show which section to look at
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 07:46:36 PM

No mystery there...that’s either a strange rumour or a mistake.

Nine professionals didn’t have their phone or watch on? C’mon...


"Nine professionals didn’t have their phone or watch on? C’mon..."

Yeah a it much eh?   it came from their very mouths via CM.
Apart from being on the wrong thread , there are plenty of threads dealing with what you seek.

Go and Read ALL the statements and files-watch ALL the parents/families interviews then get back to us with your over the top  accusations that people here are making it up.

Enjoy! 8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:42:08 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 07:36:11 PM

Thank you for that link you provided...I can’t find which part I should read?

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id255.htm

Clarence Mitchell backtracks on previous statement about watches
 
Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.
 
The Guardian 06 April 2008
 
"It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't...
 
Yorkshire Post 29 May 2008 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 08:44:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:42:08 PM
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id255.htm

Clarence Mitchell backtracks on previous statement about watches
 
Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.
 
The Guardian 06 April 2008
 
"It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't...
 
Yorkshire Post 29 May 2008


Consistently inconsistent on many issues!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 06:48:57 PM
Mistaken/ telling lies/ misdirecting the truth call it what you like. Here is the thing: Initial claims were to tell the UK press via the media they contacted were the couples checked the children every 30 minutes- what is in your head when you hear that?  I was of the impression they looked in non the children as they slept- No, it wasn't physical checks it was 'listening at the door'.

Now, this is the awkward bit- never explained - On the evening Little Maddie disappeared there was an exception to this 'rule'- the 'time line 'changed.

Not only did other tapas group 'check' The McCanns children, they had more frequent checks, and two looked in 'physical checks' on the children. AND in the smallest ever opportunity someone jemmied a shutter-climbed in a window and ran off with MBM via same small window without leaving ANY DNA.  remarkable eh? And all the while daddy is talking just outside the gate chatting- never saw or heard a thing. not even JT and the bogie man

and on another note not to be missed- when asked if others checked the McCanns children any other night they said No. That wasn't the agreement- they checked on their own children- DP had a child listening device.


So let us look at the timeline- they had two... They had no watches or phones to check the time- it was all guess work... They got to make it up to suit themselves-no independent witnesses with accurate times to corroborate.


How do you know all this?

Who told you?


Or are you just picking pieces from things you’ve read that may or may not be correct?



How do you personally know they only listened in when checking on the children? That doesn’t fit with what Kate said when she went inside the bedroom and looked at the beds? Nor Gerry who did the same?

When you say the rest of the group did more frequent checks...what do you mean? They got up every 10/15 minutes to check? Really??

And how do you know Maddie was taken through the window? How do you know she wasn’t taken through the patio doors...much easier, surely?

And again...according to the timeline, Gerry was inside the Tapas bar between 9pm and 10pm. So how could he have been talking outside the apartment at 9:50PM? Because it was around 9:50PM JT saw a man carrying a child who was later revealed to be a man taking his child back from night crèche.

I don’t find it strange that on that particular night one of the group who had the apartment next door offered to check on the children? What are you suggesting?

I don’t believe none of them had a phone or watch...that’s complete nonsense made up by conspirators.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 06:49:36 PM
Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  Remember that one.


As the old saying goes...

But we all know when someone’s obviously guilty before they’re convicted

Look at some historical cases and you’ll get the gist
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 09:04:45 PM

As the old saying goes...

But we all know when someone’s obviously guilty before they’re convicted

Look at some historical cases and you’ll get the gist

Yes, so I will.  Too many innocent people have been convicted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 09:18:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 27, 2020, 06:06:47 PM
Impressions can be misleading.

So can gossip and rumours from strangers....

Gullible people believe the rubbish and it snowballs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 27, 2020, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 08:52:35 PM

How do you know all this?

Who told you?


Or are you just picking pieces from things you’ve read that may or may not be correct?



How do you personally know they only listened in when checking on the children? That doesn’t fit with what Kate said when she went inside the bedroom and looked at the beds? Nor Gerry who did the same?

When you say the rest of the group did more frequent checks...what do you mean? They got up every 10/15 minutes to check? Really??

And how do you know Maddie was taken through the window? How do you know she wasn’t taken through the patio doors...much easier, surely?

And again...according to the timeline, Gerry was inside the Tapas bar between 9pm and 10pm. So how could he have been talking outside the apartment at 9:50PM? Because it was around 9:50PM JT saw a man carrying a child who was later revealed to be a man taking his child back from night crèche.

I don’t find it strange that on that particular night one of the group who had the apartment next door offered to check on the children? What are you suggesting?

I don’t believe none of them had a phone or watch...that’s complete nonsense made up by conspirators.


You think the Guardian is on this conspiracy ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/06/madeleinemccann.internationalcrime


" Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.
"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 09:21:03 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 07:39:34 PM
No they don't. None of them are that precise!!


Where does it say otherwise?

It’s in the official reports.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 09:24:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 08:08:04 PM
He came into a large sum of money, did he?

He was a drug smuggler.

He bought land in Germany.

Had genuine Rolex watches etc..

Not many waiters can afford that...including a big motor home
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 09:29:24 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 09:24:01 PM
He was a drug smuggler.

He bought land in Germany.

Had genuine Rolex watches etc..

Not many waiters can afford that...including a big motor home

But none of this a smoking gun to link him to the MM case.

Just for the record that doesn’t mean there isn’t a link... but El makes a very good point about presumed innocent until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 27, 2020, 07:45:55 PM
Everyone had phones in 2007 but they weren’t smartphones they were just phones to communicate with each other and as the group were all together in a foreign country it’s unlikely they would have taken their phones with them to dinner IMO.


I have to disagree with you on that one, VS

I travelled extensively in 2007, and prior to that, and lived abroad too in the early noughties...I always, always kept my phone on me and everyone I knew did too.

The whole point of a mobile was to keep it on you in case of emergencies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 09:37:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:09:43 PM
Which Tapas Staff statement says exactly when GM was at the table and at what time? That's the point. Some of them talk  about him being away (for up to half an hour) but no-one says he was definitely there at the precise time of the Smith sighting. Then as we are told by the spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, none of the friends had watches or phones.

The Smith sighting was at 10pm

Gerry was in the Tapas Bar then

Everyone knows that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 09:37:51 PM
The Smith sighting was at 10pm

Gerry was in the Tapas Bar then

Everyone knows that

I think we better do this on a different thread .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 09:42:18 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 09:34:00 PM

I have to disagree with you on that one, VS

I travelled extensively in 2007, and prior to that, and lived abroad too in the early noughties...I always, always kept my phone on me and everyone I knew did too.

The whole point of a mobile was to keep it on you in case of emergencies.

I don't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 09:43:16 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
I think we better do this on a different thread .

Yes please and thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 09:51:26 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 27, 2020, 08:24:31 PM
Many of the group did not know the alarm time and guessed. They assumed 10 was correct because the McCanns said they checked every 30 minutes so 10 = Kate's check. Gerry and Matt both wore watches. Matt said Kate left at 9:50 to check. Gerry said it was exactly 10:03. There is a reason for this difference in time which I don't need to expand on here but OG have it! They should know the timeline is the key to uncover what happened and how Madeleine disappeared!

So, straightaway, you've quashed the rumour that not one of the Tapas9 wore watches or had phones.

How on earth do people get away with spouting such crazy rumours? And some people believe it???

I don’t know the relevance regarding Matt saying Kate left at 9:50 and Gerry saying it was 10:03.

Without reading why, it could be a mistake; their watches were out of sync...anything. You’re talking 13 minutes, which is not significant when a group are all eating Tapas, drinking wine, chatting, laughing, and coming and going to check on their children.

Why do you think that’s significant?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2020, 08:26:13 PM

The whole group simultaneously checked the exact time at the moment Kate came running to the table.
.

I don’t believe that!

First thing you’d do is jump up and see what’s happened!

You wouldn’t all look at your watch!

Besides, you said earlier no-one had a watch or phone....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 09:56:19 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:12:50 PM
Fair enough they might lie... my point is only that there isn't a cast iron alibi for GM within the statements of the bar staff.

I'd be interested in your red flag. Would you PM it? I would not share it.

Sorry, no

I don’t even know you...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 09:57:31 PM

TOPIC PLEASE.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 10:02:21 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 08:18:10 PM
More likely for selling a live child.  If in fact he did.


I always think there’s something strange about people who can believe the weirdest things...


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 10:03:36 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 27, 2020, 08:36:30 PM

"Nine professionals didn’t have their phone or watch on? C’mon..."

Yeah a it much eh?   it came from their very mouths via CM.
Apart from being on the wrong thread , there are plenty of threads dealing with what you seek.

Go and Read ALL the statements and files-watch ALL the parents/families interviews then get back to us with your over the top  accusations that people here are making it up.

Enjoy! 8(0(*


Cite please
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:42:08 PM
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id255.htm

Clarence Mitchell backtracks on previous statement about watches
 
Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.
 
The Guardian 06 April 2008
 
"It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't...
 
Yorkshire Post 29 May 2008


Sounds a load of BS

I guarantee they had their phones/watches...

As for the Diana conspiracy...that was rubbish too.

The driver was speeding and crashed.

Why do people so what to think there’s something more to things when they’re so obvious?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 10:02:21 PM

I always think there’s something strange about people who can believe the weirdest things...

You think that the thought of selling children is weird?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 27, 2020, 10:10:32 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 08:42:08 PM
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id255.htm

Clarence Mitchell backtracks on previous statement about watches
 
Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.
 
The Guardian 06 April 2008
 
"It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't...
 
Yorkshire Post 29 May 2008


Thank you for posting that, but you’ve posted reams....

I don’t have time to trawl all through that

Can you link the part where CM discusses the watches please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 10:10:32 PM

Thank you for posting that, but you’ve posted reams....

I don’t have time to trawl all through that

Can you link the part where CM discusses the watches please?

I shall Delete it as Off Topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 27, 2020, 11:09:30 PM
Gonçalo Amaral shows robot portrait of suspect in Maddie case in 2007 that belies German version

Gonçalo Amaral released a photomontage of what Christian Brueckner had at the time of Maddie's disappearance.

June 26, 2020 at 3:02 pm

(https://cdn3.cmjornal.pt/images/2020-06/img_900x509$2020_06_26_13_52_40_952457.jpg)

For Gonçalo Amaral, a former inspector of the Judiciary Police, Christian Brueckner is the "almost perfect suspect" in the case of Maddie McCann. In an interview with Jornal do Centro , Amaral released an image of the German with long hair that he claims corresponds to the image that he would have at the time of Maddie's disappearance.

The former PJ pointed out what he considers flaws in the English and German police in conducting the process. One of the inconsistencies pointed out is related to the images released by the German, which correspond to his current image and not to the one he had 13 years ago, when the crime occurred.

"I cannot say that someone recognizes someone by an image of the person who is already a few years old. People change (...) Showing images of the person at 43 years of age is not the same thing as showing the person at 30" , said, during the interview.

The former coordinator of the Portimão PJ points out that the robot portraits released by the authorities at the time of the crime show a suspect with short hair, a fact that appears to be innocent for Christian Bruecker, who in 2007 would have long hair behind his back.

"In 2007 there are people who claim that his figure is not with short hair. He looked like a hippie and wore long hair behind his back. And the cops know that," he said.

To consolidate his statements, Gonçalo Amaral himself decided to present a reconstruction of what the German would look like in the year that Maddie disappeared. Using an image of Brueckner in 2006, a year before Maddie's disappearance, and using an image manipulation program, the ex-PJ presented a photomontage of the suspect with long hair.

Amaral concludes his theory with the fact that most of the witnesses in the case stated that the suspect was similar to Madeleine McCann's father, allegations corroborated by the English police. "I wonder where this individual resembles Mr. Gerard McCann", he asks.

The former PJ devalues ​​the new evidence linking Christian Brueckner to the investigation of the disappearance of the English girl and asks for more concrete evidence to consolidate a "serious investigation".

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/goncalo-amaral-mostra-retrato-robo-de-suspeito-do-suspeito-do-caso-maddie-em-2007-que-desmente-versao-alema
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 27, 2020, 11:19:06 PM
1) how does he know CB had long hair in the days leading up to and followimg Madeleine’s disappearance?  The police knocked on his door and he was out that day, remember?
2) WTF business is it of his anyway?  Why is he so desperate to rubbish the police investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 11:34:14 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 09:37:51 PM
The Smith sighting was at 10pm

Gerry was in the Tapas Bar then

Everyone knows that

I've posted a response on the Timeline thread here:
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9776.0
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 27, 2020, 11:40:01 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 11:34:14 PM
I've posted a response on the Timeline thread here:
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9776.0

Thank You.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 27, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
Did Amaral do an interview today in PDL? Did he have anything new to add with regards to the German suspect?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 12:21:16 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 27, 2020, 11:09:30 PM
Gonçalo Amaral shows robot portrait of suspect in Maddie case in 2007 that belies German version

Gonçalo Amaral released a photomontage of what Christian Brueckner had at the time of Maddie's disappearance.

June 26, 2020 at 3:02 pm

(https://cdn3.cmjornal.pt/images/2020-06/img_900x509$2020_06_26_13_52_40_952457.jpg)

For Gonçalo Amaral, a former inspector of the Judiciary Police, Christian Brueckner is the "almost perfect suspect" in the case of Maddie McCann. In an interview with Jornal do Centro , Amaral released an image of the German with long hair that he claims corresponds to the image that he would have at the time of Maddie's disappearance.

The former PJ pointed out what he considers flaws in the English and German police in conducting the process. One of the inconsistencies pointed out is related to the images released by the German, which correspond to his current image and not to the one he had 13 years ago, when the crime occurred.

"I cannot say that someone recognizes someone by an image of the person who is already a few years old. People change (...) Showing images of the person at 43 years of age is not the same thing as showing the person at 30" , said, during the interview.

The former coordinator of the Portimão PJ points out that the robot portraits released by the authorities at the time of the crime show a suspect with short hair, a fact that appears to be innocent for Christian Bruecker, who in 2007 would have long hair behind his back.

"In 2007 there are people who claim that his figure is not with short hair. He looked like a hippie and wore long hair behind his back. And the cops know that," he said.

To consolidate his statements, Gonçalo Amaral himself decided to present a reconstruction of what the German would look like in the year that Maddie disappeared. Using an image of Brueckner in 2006, a year before Maddie's disappearance, and using an image manipulation program, the ex-PJ presented a photomontage of the suspect with long hair.

Amaral concludes his theory with the fact that most of the witnesses in the case stated that the suspect was similar to Madeleine McCann's father, allegations corroborated by the English police. "I wonder where this individual resembles Mr. Gerard McCann", he asks.

The former PJ devalues ​​the new evidence linking Christian Brueckner to the investigation of the disappearance of the English girl and asks for more concrete evidence to consolidate a "serious investigation".

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/goncalo-amaral-mostra-retrato-robo-de-suspeito-do-suspeito-do-caso-maddie-em-2007-que-desmente-versao-alema

Very interesting as remember Jez Wilkins reported a guy with dreads hanging around..  They identified a person with longhair but he didn't seem to fit.  The PJ never made Jez confirm whether the OC client they identified was the same person as Jez saw.  (I've forgotten his surname name but I think his first name was Michael.)

Jez Wilkins may yet be the person who helps solve this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 12:29:38 AM
From Jez Wilkins interview  "He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant. This person did not stay very long. Their behaviour was somewhat strange and they seemed to be rather nervous. He was alone, he did not speak to anyone and left soon afterwards. The informant maintains that he has never seen this person in the village."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

The guy they identified but never interviewed was Sp....y  name started Sp and ended in y.  Sperry or Speery something like that.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 12:30:15 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 12:21:16 AM
Very interesting as remember Jez Wilkins reported a guy with dreads hanging around..  They identified a person with longhair but he didn't seem to fit.  The PJ never made Jez confirm whether the OC client they identified was the same person as Jez saw.  (I've forgotten his surname name but I think his first name was Michael.)

Jez Wilkins may yet be the person who helps solve this case.

The PJ name that man in the files under “Tapas Bar Employees” not because he was one but because (at least) one employee was asked about a man with dreads and camo pants. He’s identified as a guest but yes would be a good idea to have that confirmed by Gez Wilkins .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 12:32:48 AM
I looked up Rasta in the search and found a good reference http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10045.msg485077#msg485077
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 28, 2020, 12:34:06 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 12:21:16 AM
Very interesting as remember Jez Wilkins reported a guy with dreads hanging around..  They identified a person with longhair but he didn't seem to fit.  The PJ never made Jez confirm whether the OC client they identified was the same person as Jez saw.  (I've forgotten his surname name but I think his first name was Michael.)

Jez Wilkins may yet be the person who helps solve this case.

The picture of CB on the right is not a genuine photo of CB in 2007. It was borne from Amaral's imagination.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: misty on June 28, 2020, 12:34:06 AM
The picture of CB on the right is not a genuine photo of CB in 2007. It was borne from Amaral's imagination.

So it’s irrelevant if that’s what the guy Gez Wilkins saw looked like? Damn!! I thought the PJ /SY / B whatever might have had a new line of enquiry!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 12:40:18 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 12:38:01 AM
So it’s irrelevant if that’s what the guy Gez Wilkins saw looked like? Damn!! I thought the PJ /SY / B whatever might have had a new line of enquiry!!
I think they have.  Sperrey was never confirmed as the person Jez Wilkins saw.  Jez had left the resort by then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 03:21:24 AM
Quote from: misty on June 28, 2020, 12:34:06 AM
The picture of CB on the right is not a genuine photo of CB in 2007. It was borne from Amaral's imagination.
Or memory maybe?  Why does he imagine him to be like this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 28, 2020, 06:12:53 AM
Further text by Jon Clarke of the Olive Press regarding Sandra Felgueira's report on Brueckner's neighbours and his friend Michael Tatschl...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466347/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-British-neighbour-destroyed-likely-DNA-evidence-house.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466347/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-British-neighbour-destroyed-likely-DNA-evidence-house.html)

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447 (https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 07:24:13 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 28, 2020, 06:12:53 AM
Further text by Jon Clarke of the Olive Press regarding Sandra Felgueira's report on Brueckner's neighbours and his friend Michael Tatschl...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466347/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-British-neighbour-destroyed-likely-DNA-evidence-house.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466347/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-British-neighbour-destroyed-likely-DNA-evidence-house.html)

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447 (https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447)
It seems some Portuguese are looking at Madeleine's case with fresh eyes.

Snip
There is growing evidence that Christian Bruckner is responsible for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Friday at 9 analyzed all the criminal cases in which the German suspect was involved in Portugal. Of them, it appears that Bruckner has feigned the authorities since 2004.

In 2008 he was still in Portugal but he was already outside the radar of the Portuguese authorities.

It is certain that a month after Madeleine's disappearance, Bruckner traveled to Andalusia in a new caravan that cost him thousands of euros.

Exclusively on Friday at 9, the suspect's neighbors in Praia da Luz guarantee that if he abducted Madeleine he didn't take her home because he no longer lived here since he was arrested in 2006.

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:57:02 AM
Quote from: misty on June 27, 2020, 07:18:51 PM
A live update via Twitter:-
Media are gathered outside the church in Luz. Amaral is going to be speaking (yet again) in around an hour about "The Perfect Crime".
Well?  Did he great man appear and reveal his long anticipated Ace?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 08:08:28 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 28, 2020, 06:12:53 AM
Further text by Jon Clarke of the Olive Press regarding Sandra Felgueira's report on Brueckner's neighbours and his friend Michael Tatschl...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466347/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-British-neighbour-destroyed-likely-DNA-evidence-house.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466347/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-British-neighbour-destroyed-likely-DNA-evidence-house.html)

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447 (https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447)

Brueckner's neighbours reported him as a missing person.

Does that explain the visit from the police and why Amaral was able to let us know he wasn't in when visited.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 09:01:34 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 08:08:28 AM
Brueckner's neighbours reported him as a missing person.

Does that explain the visit from the police and why Amaral was able to let us know he wasn't in when visited.

It would be helpful if the press could pinpoint the location of the house where Brueckner lived before he was jailed. Previous reports placed it 8km from PdL, now it's 2km away. Not that he lived there in 2007 anyway, so it's not relevant to Madeleine's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 09:17:05 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 09:01:34 AM
It would be helpful if the press could pinpoint the location of the house where Brueckner lived before he was jailed. Previous reports placed it 8km from PdL, now it's 2km away. Not that he lived there in 2007 anyway, so it's not relevant to Madeleine's disappearance.

Keeps the story going though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 28, 2020, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 09:01:34 AM
It would be helpful if the press could pinpoint the location of the house where Brueckner lived before he was jailed. Previous reports placed it 8km from PdL, now it's 2km away. Not that he lived there in 2007 anyway, so it's not relevant to Madeleine's disappearance.

As the crow flies and by road... It's quite simple
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 09:01:34 AM
It would be helpful if the press could pinpoint the location of the house where Brueckner lived before he was jailed. Previous reports placed it 8km from PdL, now it's 2km away. Not that he lived there in 2007 anyway, so it's not relevant to Madeleine's disappearance.
Where did he live in 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 09:40:19 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 09:01:34 AM
It would be helpful if the press could pinpoint the location of the house where Brueckner lived before he was jailed. Previous reports placed it 8km from PdL, now it's 2km away. Not that he lived there in 2007 anyway, so it's not relevant to Madeleine's disappearance.
The neighbours were sure he hadn't lived there for two years but were equally sure that he was still active around the area at the time Madeleine disappeared..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 09:43:30 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 09:40:19 AM
The neighbours were sure he hadn't lived there for two years but were equally sure that he was still active around the area at the time Madeleine disappeared..

Would he not have been in prison for diesel theft for quite a bit of that time ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 09:17:05 AM
Keeps the story going though.

And as long as the police know the exact location I think they'll do fine.  All that is really required is not the fixed location of his domicile ... but precisely his whereabouts after his release from prison for fuel theft ~ when Madeleine vanished ~ and his movements immediately after that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 09:50:20 AM
And as long as the police know the exact location I think they'll do fine.  All that is really required is not the fixed location of his domicile ... but precisely his whereabouts after his release from prison for fuel theft ~ when Madeleine vanished ~ and his movements immediately after that.

If none of it ties him in, then what, who'll be next, what will the press do?, if this is it the last last lead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 09:43:30 AM
Would he not have been in prison for diesel theft for quite a bit of that time ?

Well spotted.  The neighbours apparently didn't know that but I would have thought warning bells might have rung in Judicial police HQ dealing with Madeleine McCann's disappearance a few months later.
According to Amaral they did ... but unfortunately he wasn't at home when the police called.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 09:57:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 09:53:21 AM
If none of it ties him in, then what, who'll be next, what will the press do?, if this is it the last last lead.

                      Who was before ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 09:27:32 AM
Where did he live in 2007?

He was released from prison in December 2006 and it hasn't emerged where he was after that until he turned up in Foral after Madeleine disappeared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 09:59:05 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 09:57:38 AM
                      Who was before ?

3 amigos back in 2014 for starters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 09:59:05 AM
3 amigos back in 2014 for starters.
Wind back a bit to the four arguidos in 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 10:14:21 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
He was released from prison in December 2006 and it hasn't emerged where he was after that until he turned up in Foral after Madeleine disappeared.
With his Winnebago ??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 28, 2020, 10:20:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 10:14:21 AM
With his Winnebago ??

Worth a lot of money.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 10:25:02 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
He was released from prison in December 2006 and it hasn't emerged where he was after that until he turned up in Foral after Madeleine disappeared.
So you don’t know where he was living, and he could well have been living in PdL at the time, contrary to what you previously asserted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 28, 2020, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 28, 2020, 10:20:52 AM
Worth a lot of money.

He also bought land in Germany...he seemed to get alot of money from somewhere
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:26:45 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 10:11:29 AM
Wind back a bit to the four arguidos in 2007.

4? Murat and the McCann's who else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 10:29:00 AM
Have Police positively linked him to this Winnebaggo, or is it all media generated speculation ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:31:07 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 28, 2020, 10:20:52 AM
Worth a lot of money.

Only to those willing to pay.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 10:29:00 AM
Have Police positively linked him to this Winnebaggo, or is it all media generated speculation ?

Yes, if one goes back to the opening post and link to the BBC story all that appears is the VW and Jag,all that is said is that the German is a suspect, all from then on is mass hysteria by the rabid brit press.Lapped up by many as believable it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 10:37:29 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 28, 2020, 10:20:52 AM
Worth a lot of money.

Reportedly he had a lot of money. Allegedly proceeds of a burglary. Good an excuse as any.

Of course, what is a lot of money to one person can be mere peanuts to another.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:38:59 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 10:37:29 AM
Reportedly he had a lot of money. Allegedly proceeds of a burglary. Good an excuse as any.

Then allegedly ignored loot in 5a but is supposed somehow to have half inched Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:38:59 AM
Then allegedly ignored loot in 5a but is supposed somehow to have half inched Madeleine.

I think it fair to say that the last thing the Mccanns had  in 2007 was plenty of ready loot hanging about the place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 28, 2020, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 27, 2020, 08:52:35 PM

How do you know all this?

Who told you?


Or are you just picking pieces from things you’ve read that may or may not be correct?



How do you personally know they only listened in when checking on the children? That doesn’t fit with what Kate said when she went inside the bedroom and looked at the beds? Nor Gerry who did the same?

When you say the rest of the group did more frequent checks...what do you mean? They got up every 10/15 minutes to check? Really??

And how do you know Maddie was taken through the window? How do you know she wasn’t taken through the patio doors...much easier, surely?

And again...according to the timeline, Gerry was inside the Tapas bar between 9pm and 10pm. So how could he have been talking outside the apartment at 9:50PM? Because it was around 9:50PM JT saw a man carrying a child who was later revealed to be a man taking his child back from night crèche.

I don’t find it strange that on that particular night one of the group who had the apartment next door offered to check on the children? What are you suggesting?

I don’t believe none of them had a phone or watch...that’s complete nonsense made up by conspirators.

THIS IS THE WRONG THREAD FOR THIS!
I am only going to do this once- then you go read up and shut up with your half baked accusations.


"How do you know all this?

Who told you? "

Kate and Gerry and the tapas group told the police who wrote it down and made it public!


How do you personally know they only listened in when checking on the children? That doesn’t fit with what Kate said when she went inside the bedroom and looked at the beds? Nor Gerry who did the same?

Yes!  strange it was the only night they did that, read Kate's version of that in her Rog  note whooshing curtains etc.

When you say the rest of the group did more frequent checks...what do you mean? They got up every 10/15 minutes to check? Really??

No, read the tapas own account as to why the checking was different that evening

And how do you know Maddie was taken through the window? How do you know she wasn’t taken through the patio doors...much easier, surely?

Yes, well again this is the parents, who forgot to tell the media on the first interview that they left an unlocked door, Kate's' claims and story's are ridiculous I agree- are you calling her a liar?

And again...according to the timeline, Gerry was inside the Tapas bar between 9pm and 10pm.

No independent corroboration with exact times.

 So how could he have been talking outside the apartment at 9:50PM? Because it was around 9:50PM JT saw a man carrying a child who was later revealed to be a man taking his child back from night crèche.

Yes, JT and McCanns said it was an abductor- funny Gerry and Jez never saw JT or the alledged 'abductor.

I don’t find it strange that on that particular night one of the group who had the apartment next door offered to check on the children? What are you suggesting?

I am not suggesting anything. However, with all the checking going on that evening how would the abductor have the bloody time to jemmy a window- jump in grab a child and make a quick get away! within minutes of the dad leaving the apartment and not seeing blowing curtains etc. Their 'abduction' story has more holes than a tennis racquet.

I don’t believe none of them had a phone or watch...that’s complete nonsense made up by conspirators.

No one believes it!  but that is what CM claimed as he spoke on their behalf and they never corrected him.

Now go and read other threads! and keep this one on track.  Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 28, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 28, 2020, 10:46:36 AM
THIS IS THE WRONG THREAD FOR THIS!
I am only going to do this once- then you go read up and shut up with your half baked accusations.


"How do you know all this?

Who told you? "

Kate and Gerry and the tapas group told the police who wrote it down and made it public!


How do you personally know they only listened in when checking on the children? That doesn’t fit with what Kate said when she went inside the bedroom and looked at the beds? Nor Gerry who did the same?

Yes!  strange it was the only night they did that, read Kate's version of that in her Rog  note whooshing curtains etc.

When you say the rest of the group did more frequent checks...what do you mean? They got up every 10/15 minutes to check? Really??

No, read the tapas own account as to why the checking was different that evening

And how do you know Maddie was taken through the window? How do you know she wasn’t taken through the patio doors...much easier, surely?

Yes, well again this is the parents, who forgot to tell the media on the first interview that they left an unlocked door, Kate's' claims and story's are ridiculous I agree- are you calling her a liar?

And again...according to the timeline, Gerry was inside the Tapas bar between 9pm and 10pm.

No independent corroboration with exact times.

 So how could he have been talking outside the apartment at 9:50PM? Because it was around 9:50PM JT saw a man carrying a child who was later revealed to be a man taking his child back from night crèche.

Yes, JT and McCanns said it was an abductor- funny Gerry and Jez never saw JT or the alledged 'abductor.

I don’t find it strange that on that particular night one of the group who had the apartment next door offered to check on the children? What are you suggesting?

I am not suggesting anything. However, with all the checking going on that evening how would the abductor have the bloody time to jemmy a window- jump in grab a child and make a quick get away! within minutes of the dad leaving the apartment and not seeing blowing curtains etc. Their 'abduction' story has more holes than a tennis racquet.

I don’t believe none of them had a phone or watch...that’s complete nonsense made up by conspirators.

No one believes it!  but that is what CM claimed as he spoke on their behalf and they never corrected him.

Now go and read other threads! and keep this one on track.  Thank you.
you are basing your Cm claim on what the paper reported....taken out of context. He has also said some did have phones and watches. I dont beleive he lied...i think its the reporting. you may assume newspapers are totally accurate...I dont
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 10:45:38 AM
I think it fair to say that the last thing the Mccanns had  in 2007 was plenty of ready loot hanging about the place.

Weren't passports left out,a camera as well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 28, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
you are basing your Cm claim on what the paper reported....taken out of context. He has also said some did have phones and watches. I dont beleive he lied...i think its the reporting. you may assume newspapers are totally accurate...I dont

Yet you assume through reading it the German suspect is a prime one,go figure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 28, 2020, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:36:35 AM
Yes, if one goes back to the opening post and link to the BBC story all that appears is the VW and Jag,all that is said is that the German is a suspect, all from then on is mass hysteria by the rabid brit press.Lapped up by many as believable it would seem.


Being the pond life he is, and being battered by police would not upset me in the least, However, He is entitled to a fair trial and not be subjected to trial by media, only because he could get off on that technicality of not getting a fair trial!

Supporters happy to pin this are forgetting their own rule- Innocent until proved guilty. AND if it can't be proved he can claim a  substantial financial reward for libel!   Not exactly justice for Maddie is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 28, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 10:29:00 AM
Have Police positively linked him to this Winnebaggo, or is it all media generated speculation ?
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:36:35 AM
Yes, if one goes back to the opening post and link to the BBC story all that appears is the VW and Jag,all that is said is that the German is a suspect, all from then on is mass hysteria by the rabid brit press.Lapped up by many as believable it would seem.
You two got a thing about the BKA and press reportage on for some reason?

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/17/maddie-mccann-investigators-want-to-trace-movements-in-spain-of-winnebago-motor-home-german-suspect-christian-brueckner-owned/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/17/maddie-mccann-investigators-want-to-trace-movements-in-spain-of-winnebago-motor-home-german-suspect-christian-brueckner-owned/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:52:39 AM
Weren't passports left out,a camera as well.

Police photographs taken several hours after the event show them on a table or some such.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 28, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
You two got a thing about the BKA and press reportage on for some reason?



It all stems from early days,from the McCann's and friends through to Murat winning damages,nothing in the press can be trusted in this case imo.

Some might remember this from Jan 2014,which incidentally never resulted in any arrest's.


Madeleine McCann case set to result in imminent arrests


Madeleine McCann: Phone records between burglars mean 'arrests are imminent' after British police request assistance from Portuguese authorities


According to the Daily Mirror, police were preparing to travel to Portugal to make the first arrests since British officers started to review the case in 2011.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 28, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
You two got a thing about the BKA and press reportage on for some reason?

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/17/maddie-mccann-investigators-want-to-trace-movements-in-spain-of-winnebago-motor-home-german-suspect-christian-brueckner-owned/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/17/maddie-mccann-investigators-want-to-trace-movements-in-spain-of-winnebago-motor-home-german-suspect-christian-brueckner-owned/)

Not a such but always suspicious of material not confirmed by reliable sources
I see no direct quote from police in that article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 12:09:24 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 28, 2020, 10:55:50 AM

Being the pond life he is, and being battered by police would not upset me in the least, However, He is entitled to a fair trial and not be subjected to trial by media, only because he could get off on that technicality of not getting a fair trial!

Supporters happy to pin this are forgetting their own rule- Innocent until proved guilty. AND if it can't be proved he can claim a  substantial financial reward for libel!   Not exactly justice for Maddie is it?
As I have pointed out at least twice before if it comes to trial it would be heard by three judges and not by a jury so there is no danger of any trial being prejudiced by pre-trial media coverage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 12:41:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 28, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
you are basing your Cm claim on what the paper reported....taken out of context. He has also said some did have phones and watches. I dont beleive he lied...i think its the reporting. you may assume newspapers are totally accurate...I dont


Miss Taken Identity has seriously got their knickers in a twist

Whatever is their problem?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 12:45:42 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:52:39 AM
Weren't passports left out,a camera as well.


Yes, and when police searched one of CB,s hovels they found lots of passports he’d obviously stolen

Nice chap, eh?

Child pornography he had hidden

Stolen loot

Passports

Expensive stolen watches

Drugs

Cash

And wrong thread or not....records PROVE he was by the complex on the night Maddie disappeared

Some people can’t see the wood for the trees...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 12:48:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 12:09:24 PM
As I have pointed out at least twice before if it comes to trial it would be heard by three judges and not by a jury so there is no danger of any trial being prejudiced by pre-trial media coverage.


Miss Taken Identity won’t like that.

She has a very big bee in her bonnet

Strange....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 12:50:10 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 12:45:42 PM

Yes, and when police searched one of CB,s hovels they found lots of passports he’d obviously stolen

Nice chap, eh?

Child pornography he had hidden

Stolen loot

Passports

Expensive stolen watches

Drugs

Cash

And wrong thread or not....records PROVE he was by the complex on the night Maddie disappeared

Some people can’t see the wood for the trees...

Records do not prove he was by the complex,if it does its up to you to prove with a cite of that claim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 12:55:53 PM
Members are reminded to keep to the topic of the thread and to provide cites for anything they claim to be facts. Off topic, insulting and goading posts are liable to be deleted as they are against the rules of the forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 10:26:45 AM
4? Murat and the McCann's who else.

Really ???

Has it slipped your memory that Goncalo Amaral was constituted Arguido in the case of the torture of the mother of the last missing child whose case he investigated just a few miles from Luz.
That child was never found either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 01:04:47 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 12:58:10 PM
Really ???

Has it slipped your memory that Goncalo Amaral was constituted Arguido in the case of the torture of the mother of the last missing child whose case he investigated just a few miles from Luz.
That child was never found either.

Well there you go, I was thinking its a McCann thread and as such would involve all things McCann and arguidos involved in this case,easy mistake on my part from some one who is unpleasant to moderate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 28, 2020, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 01:04:47 PM
Well there you go, I was thinking its a McCann thread and as such would involve all things McCann and arguidos involved in this case,easy mistake on my part from some one who is unpleasant to moderate.

LMAO I got a warning.


Congratulation G on becoming a MOD.  great news! I don't come often to notice these things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 01:04:47 PM
Well there you go, I was thinking its a McCann thread and as such would involve all things McCann and arguidos involved in this case,easy mistake on my part from some one who is unpleasant to moderate.

News to me that Amaral wasn't involved up to the eyes in all things McCann even taking to posting doctored photographs of the German's prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction ~ commenting whenever and wherever he can in relation to the same prime suspect and showing further photographs which he alleges to be Brueckner's van.

Not forgetting he was the source of the information about a German suspect in jail in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 01:18:39 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 01:17:04 PM
News to me that Amaral wasn't involved up to the eyes in all things McCann even taking to posting doctored photographs of the German's prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction ~ commenting whenever and wherever he can in relation to the same prime suspect and showing further photographs which he alleges to be Brueckner's van.

Not forgetting he was the source of the information about a German suspect in jail in Germany.

Was arguido'd because of the McCann case,nah thought not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 01:18:39 PM
Was arguido'd because of the McCann case,nah thought not.

You are off topic.  He was an arguido ... which makes for four arguidos associated with Madeleine's case by anyone's reckoning.

Also it is unknown whether or not there is a link between these cases as the same caveats apply to both in relation to the present information coming out of Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 01:39:22 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 28, 2020, 01:12:55 PM
LMAO I got a warning.


Congratulation G on becoming a MOD.  great news! I don't come often to notice these things.

Thank you MTI.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 02:53:18 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 01:29:33 PM
You are off topic.  He was an arguido ... which makes for four arguidos associated with Madeleine's case by anyone's reckoning.

Also it is unknown whether or not there is a link between these cases as the same caveats apply to both in relation to the present information coming out of Germany.
You could extend that to just about everyone, given that logic. That would make about 31 arguido.
Useful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 28, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 12:40:18 AM
I think they have.  Sperrey was never confirmed as the person Jez Wilkins saw.  Jez had left the resort by then.

Resuming the factual description, it is noteworthy that from pages 119 and forward, the witness JEREMY WILKINS, affirmed that he saw an individual with a strange appearance and behaviour. This was eventually confirmed to be a guest, who participated in the searches, page 124.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 28, 2020, 05:17:16 PM
This is an article in the Olive Press describing the house that served as a home for troubled German teenagers.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/
CNN also reported on this and the journalist went into the house (unless it is a different one that Brückner used to frequent?). This background picture with ‘MM und ?unter‘ and the drawing might be significant? Any thoughts on this?

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 28, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 28, 2020, 05:17:16 PM
This is an article in the Olive Press describing the house that served as a home for troubled German teenagers.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/
CNN also reported on this and the journalist went into the house (unless it is a different one that Brückner used to frequent?). This background picture with ‘MM und ?unter‘ and the drawing might be significant? Any thoughts on this?

I now realise it is the box factory in Neuwegers­leben, Germany where Brückner lived and where the usb drives were found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 28, 2020, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 28, 2020, 05:17:16 PM
This is an article in the Olive Press describing the house that served as a home for troubled German teenagers.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/
CNN also reported on this and the journalist went into the house (unless it is a different one that Brückner used to frequent?). This background picture with ‘MM und ?unter‘ and the drawing might be significant? Any thoughts on this?

To me, it looks like and Munter German for und.

munter meaning

) A person often impaired by alcohol or recreational drugs. He's a real munter; he was really munted at the party.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 28, 2020, 06:25:02 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 28, 2020, 06:04:54 PM
To me, it looks like and Munter German for und.

munter meaning

) A person often impaired by alcohol or recreational drugs. He's a real munter; he was really munted at the party.
Thank you. So, ‘und’ means ‘and’? Could it possibly be ‘hunter’?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 06:49:05 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 28, 2020, 06:25:02 PM
Thank you. So, ‘und’ means ‘and’? Could it possibly be ‘hunter’?

Unter is German for under
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 28, 2020, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 06:49:05 PM
Unter is German for under
I was referring to ‘und’ underneath ‘M.M‘. Does it mean ‘and’?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:01:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 12:50:10 PM
Records do not prove he was by the complex,if it does its up to you to prove with a cite of that claim.


Telephone records prove it

You’ll find the cite if you look

I don’t keep everything I read....I’m not filling up my data when my own brain has a memory

It was all over reports just weeks ago! Have you forgotten?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:01:37 PM

Telephone records prove it

You’ll find the cite if you look

I don’t keep everything I read....I’m not filling up my data when my own brain has a memory

It was all over reports just weeks ago! Have you forgotten?

A phone was there, once again it doesn't prove he was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 07:04:47 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:01:37 PM

Telephone records prove it

You’ll find the cite if you look

I don’t keep everything I read....I’m not filling up my data when my own brain has a memory

It was all over reports just weeks ago! Have you forgotten?

I don't think the telephone records proved he was next to the Ocean Club with all respect to you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:10:50 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 07:04:47 PM
I don't think the telephone records proved he was next to the Ocean Club with all respect to you.
Do you think he lent his phone to a friend?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:04:03 PM
A phone was there, once again it doesn't prove he was.

HIS mobile phone.

And he received a call on it at 7:32pm in which he spoke for half an hour

The phone was registered to him

He never reported it stolen

So what odds would YOU say it wasn’t him using that phone?

Don’t make me laugh...the police track people by their phone activity.


You seem to WANT to think he’s not responsible: why is that? Do you like him or something? Do you think given all his vile background and what the police have discovered about him and his penchant for paedophilia that he shouldn’t be questioned in case it upsets him?!!


One thing I’ve learnt since joining this forum is that there’s more weirdos out than in!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:01:37 PM

Telephone records prove it

You’ll find the cite if you look

I don’t keep everything I read....I’m not filling up my data when my own brain has a memory

It was all over reports just weeks ago! Have you forgotten?

Apparently the records prove a phone call was received in Luz.

Luz is an area about 22 square kilometres, & it hasn't been proven that CB was in possession of the phone at that time.

But other than that, spot on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:13:40 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:10:50 PM
Do you think he lent his phone to a friend?
I don't think the mast pings narrow it down to 'sat on bog in Tapas Bar', in all fairness.
More like 'within 2km of mast', or some such or some such other, or other.
Or his phone could be in one location and the dude in another.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 07:04:47 PM
I don't think the telephone records proved he was next to the Ocean Club with all respect to you.

Rubbish.

It’s been proven.

What’s your problem with that? Why does it bother you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:13:56 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:01:37 PM

Telephone records prove it

You’ll find the cite if you look

I don’t keep everything I read....I’m not filling up my data when my own brain has a memory

It was all over reports just weeks ago! Have you forgotten?

SF: Are you sure that the man that received the phone call at 7:30, close to Ocean Club was Christian B?


CW [subtitled]: We assume [literal translation: partimos do princípio/we depart from the principle] he used this mobile phone but we don't know who he spoke to. It would be very useful if we knew that, and it would help to develop the investigation.


http://textusa.blogspot.com/2020/06/christian-wolter-sexta-as-9-june-19-2007.html#more
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:14:47 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
HIS mobile phone.

And he received a call on it at 7:32pm in which he spoke for half an hour

The phone was registered to him

He never reported it stolen

So what odds would YOU say it wasn’t him using that phone?

Don’t make me laugh...the police track people by their phone activity.


You seem to WANT to think he’s not responsible: why is that? Do you like him or something? Do you think given all his vile background and what the police have discovered about him and his penchant for paedophilia that he shouldn’t be questioned in case it upsets him?!!


One thing I’ve learnt since joining this forum is that there’s more weirdos out than in!
Wow, your ignorance of the technology is tangible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 07:15:13 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
HIS mobile phone.

And he received a call on it at 7:32pm in which he spoke for half an hour

The phone was registered to him

He never reported it stolen

So what odds would YOU say it wasn’t him using that phone?

Don’t make me laugh...the police track people by their phone activity.


You seem to WANT to think he’s not responsible: why is that? Do you like him or something? Do you think given all his vile background and what the police have discovered about him and his penchant for paedophilia that he shouldn’t be questioned in case it upsets him?!!


One thing I’ve learnt since joining this forum is that there’s more weirdos out than in!

Right, so we know for sure his girlfriend wasn't using his phone because.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:16:27 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
HIS mobile phone.

And he received a call on it at 7:32pm in which he spoke for half an hour

The phone was registered to him

He never reported it stolen

So what odds would YOU say it wasn’t him using that phone?

Don’t make me laugh...the police track people by their phone activity.


You seem to WANT to think he’s not responsible: why is that? Do you like him or something? Do you think given all his vile background and what the police have discovered about him and his penchant for paedophilia that he shouldn’t be questioned in case it upsets him?!!


One thing I’ve learnt since joining this forum is that there’s more weirdos out than in!

I want concrete evidence he was involved not heresay from the brit rags.
Wolters is convinced she's dead, OG aren't, go figure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:13:40 PM
I don't think the mast pings narrow it down to 'sat on bog in Tapas Bar', in all fairness.
More like 'within 2km of mast', or some such or some such other, or other.
Or his phone could be in one location and the dude in another.
Within 2km is quite close enough for me thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:18:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:10:50 PM
Do you think he lent his phone to a friend?

Well, if the likes of Barrier and BillyWhizz seem to think CB gave his phone to someone, who just HAPPENED to be by the Icean Club using it, maybe he could tell the police who he gave it to....

He definitely got the phone back!

Phone records prove he used it afterwards.

They tracked ALL his phone records and movements, which all add up.

Can’t believe how blinkered some people can be...

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:18:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:17:24 PM
Within 2km is quite close enough for me thanks.
Yeh, except that was a guess. It's actually a 20km square....minimum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:18:32 PM
Yeh, except that was a guess. It's actually a 20km square....minimum.
Says who?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:20:18 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:13:40 PM
I don't think the mast pings narrow it down to 'sat on bog in Tapas Bar', in all fairness.
More like 'within 2km of mast', or some such or some such other, or other.
Or his phone could be in one location and the dude in another.


I wouldn’t call a granny rapist who chained the woman up, tortured her, and did horrendous things to her a DUDE.

Eeeeew....how revolting to refer to him as a DUDE.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:20:27 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:18:17 PM
Well, if the likes of Barrier and BillyWhizz seem to think CB gave his phone to someone, who just HAPPENED to be by the Icean Club using it, maybe he could tell the police who he gave it to....

He definitely got the phone back!

Phone records prove he used it afterwards.

They tracked ALL his phone records and movements, which all add up.

Can’t believe how blinkered some people can be...
You don't read. The ping is an approximate location - this isn't CSI: Lagos.
He could be up to 10km away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:21:32 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 07:13:32 PM
Apparently the records prove a phone call was received in Luz.

Luz is an area about 22 square kilometres, & it it hasn't been proven that CB was in possession of the phone at that time.

But other than that, spot on.

Wrong.

They narrowed it down to the complex.

Maybe you’re not au fait with technology, but they can pinpoint a mobile phone to just YARDS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:22:39 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:13:56 PM
SF: Are you sure that the man that received the phone call at 7:30, close to Ocean Club was Christian B?


CW [subtitled]: We assume [literal translation: partimos do princípio/we depart from the principle] he used this mobile phone but we don't know who he spoke to. It would be very useful if we knew that, and it would help to develop the investigation.


http://textusa.blogspot.com/2020/06/christian-wolter-sexta-as-9-june-19-2007.html#more


You need to catch up

They know the number and the NAME of the man who he spoke to
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:23:04 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:20:27 PM
You don't read. The ping is an approximate location - this isn't CSI: Lagos.
He could be up to 10km away.
The police put him in the PdL area.  I guess they were lying to us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:23:43 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:21:32 PM
Wrong.

They narrowed it down to the complex.

Maybe you’re not au fait with technology, but they can pinpoint a mobile phone to just YARDS

Only when tracking it, this was 13 yrs ago,so it was pinged in between mast's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:14:47 PM
Wow, your ignorance of the technology is tangible.


It’s you who’s ignorant

They can pinpoint a phone to the exact location

You’re so last century, old boy

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 07:24:37 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:13:44 PM
Rubbish.

It’s been proven.

What’s your problem with that? Why does it bother you?

Because I believe in due legal process - even for paedophiles. And please don't be insulting because I have a very close family member who was a victim of sexual abuse. I find it very disturbing.

Nevertheless the phone records don't pin him down to the precise location as others have said above.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:25:48 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:22:39 PM

You need to catch up

They know the number and the NAME of the man who he spoke to

100% certain or only what you've gleaned from the lead investigators the brit press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:26:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:23:04 PM
The police put him in close proximity to the OC.  I guess they were lying to us.

ALL phones can be tracked to their exact spot

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:23:04 PM
The police put him in close proximity to the OC.  I guess they were lying to us.
I guess it depends on your definition of 'close'. France is close.
Luz to Lagos? Close....ish.
It's a mast ping - back then it is a broad range. Surely you can't dispute that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 28, 2020, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:20:27 PM
You don't read. The ping is an approximate location - this isn't CSI: Lagos.
He could be up to 10km away.

ther are two masts in LUz...as i understand draw two circles and where they intercept...like a venn daigram is the possible location...about 2  km from what Ive seen
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
I guess it depends on your definition of 'close'. France is close.
Luz to Lagos? Close....ish.
It's a mast ping - back then it is a broad range. Surely you can't dispute that?
Whatever.  You’ve convinced me.  Definitely isn’t him.  Deffo the parents.  Ta-ta.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:31:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 07:27:46 PM
Whatever.  You’ve convinced me.  Definitely isn’t him.  Deffo the parents.  Ta-ta.
Always the same with you.
Spit the dummy when you're wrong. Jesus, the radius of the phone is pretty big - but guess what, he might have been sat at the Tapas Bar.....and he might have been in the next town, or further.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:31:46 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:22:39 PM

You need to catch up

They know the number and the NAME of the man who he spoke to

Saturday June 27th;

RP – But if they are appealing for these contacts, one can assume that they don’t have that information. Or no?


 CC:Well, I believe that no; I think that at the beginning several means were used, of the Judiciary Police, of our Judiciary Police, and also of the Metropolitan Police who came to Portugal immediately in order to cooperate in the investigation. I believe that at that time the phone data was requested to the telecom operators, the log of the phone numbers that were eventually activated in the area.

http://textusa.blogspot.com/2020/06/maddie-case-they-dont-seem-to-be-very.html#more
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 28, 2020, 07:31:58 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:20:27 PM
You don't read. The ping is an approximate location - this isn't CSI: Lagos.
He could be up to 10km away.
Yes, possibly placing him at his farmhouse or Escola Velha in Monte Judeu at the time. The call was from 19h32 to 20h02. Enough time to get to the Ocean Club by 21h00, hypothetically?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:32:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:25:48 PM
100% certain or only what you've gleaned from the lead investigators the brit press.

Wrong.

I know.

And I don’t intend telling you how I know
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:32:41 PM
Wrong.

I know.

And I don’t intend telling you how I know
Of course not. You know what you read in The Mail in the library.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:34:07 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:31:19 PM
Always the same with you.
Spit the dummy when you're wrong. Jesus, the radius of the phone is pretty big - but guess what, he might have been sat at the Tapas Bar.....and he might have been in the next town, or further.

So might you have in that case, General...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 07:34:19 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
I guess it depends on your definition of 'close'. France is close.
Luz to Lagos? Close....ish.
It's a mast ping - back then it is a broad range. Surely you can't dispute that?

There was a picture posted to the forum last week or so with the mast ranges. It's probably on this thread!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:32:41 PM
Wrong.

I know.

And I don’t intend telling you how I know

Like I care.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:35:07 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
Of course not. You know what you read in The Mail in the library.

You know nothing.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 28, 2020, 07:36:01 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:13:44 PM
Rubbish.

It’s been proven.

What’s your problem with that? Why does it bother you?

Prove that he was outside the apartment using his phone when nobody saw him there? The media said that and only a fool would believe what they say about this case. They claimed there was unidentified saliva that could match the German and that was a LIE!

Duly analysed, the stain configured a biological residue (saliva) that belonged to a child – CHARLIE GORDON – that had been on holidays, earlier and with his parents, in the same apartment.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 07:34:31 PM
Like I care.

Just as well...

But you’d LOVE to know, really...you don’t fool me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:36:21 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:34:07 PM
So might you have in that case, General...
Hardly. I was a little further south east at the time and had a bit on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 28, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 07:32:31 PM
I'd rather have a beer with him than the McCanns.
That doesnt really say a lot about you...in fact its quite sickening...but of course we know CBs background but we dont know yours...you may well have things in common
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:37:56 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:35:07 PM
You know nothing.
I know that you have decent knowledge of mobile phone technology - but not quite enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 28, 2020, 07:36:01 PM
Prove that he was outside the apartment using his phone when nobody saw him there? The media said that and only a fool would believe what they say about this case. They claimed there was unidentified saliva that could match the German and that was a LIE!

Duly analysed, the stain configured a biological residue (saliva) that belonged to a child – CHARLIE GORDON – that had been on holidays, earlier and with his parents, in the same apartment.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm


Yeah, he stood in the middle of the Tapas Bar holding Maddie in his arms...



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 28, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
That doesnt really say a lot about you...in fact its quite sickening...but of course we know CBs background but we dont know yours...you may well have things in common

Yes, I too own a mobile phone & once had 3 cars.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:31:27 PM

You may sympathise with paedophiles and feel they should have “rights”, but you’re in the minority

He’s also a convicted rapist if a 72-year-old widow

He recorded the rape on his phone, and had thousands of vile paedophilic images on his memory stick

He also had little girls used swimming costumes hidden in his motor home

Most men would beat shit like that to a pulp: they wouldn’t feel he deserved “rights”.

Do you sympathise with him? Eh? C’mon...

I asked you not to insult me. This is real life . It affects real people. It's not an issue from which to goad others for entertainment. Your last question makes me feel sick.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 28, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
That doesnt really say a lot about you...in fact its quite sickening...but of course we know CBs background but we dont know yours...you may well have things in common


Jesus, what a revolting thing to say!

He’d rather have a drink with a 72-year-old granny rapist who’s also a paedophile!

I can hear a rat-a-tat-tat at his front door soon...the police watch these forums and they track the IP addresses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 07:43:05 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:37:56 PM
I know that you have decent knowledge of mobile phone technology - but not quite enough.


Don’t say things when you don’t know, OK?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 28, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:31:27 PM

You may sympathise with paedophiles and feel they should have “rights”, but you’re in the minority

He’s also a convicted rapist if a 72-year-old widow

He recorded the rape on his phone, and had thousands of vile paedophilic images on his memory stick

He also had little girls used swimming costumes hidden in his motor home

Most men would beat shit like that to a pulp: they wouldn’t feel he deserved “rights”.

Do you sympathise with him? Eh? C’mon...

it seems sceptics only think cipriano should be beaten to a pulp...personally I dont think anyone should .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:43:05 PM

Don’t say things when you don’t know, OK?
We all know, kid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 07:49:48 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:41:11 PM

Jesus, what a revolting thing to say!

He’d rather have a drink with a 72-year-old granny rapist who’s also a paedophile!

I can hear a rat-a-tat-tat at his front door soon...the police watch these forums and they track the IP addresses.

What do you think they can arrest me for?

Not being very nice about the McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 28, 2020, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:45:39 PM

Not as sick as I felt when you said he deserved RIGHTS!

Are you a paedophile sympathiser?

He does deserve rights.  Everyone does.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:45:39 PM

Not as sick as I felt when you said he deserved RIGHTS!

Are you a paedophile sympathiser?
I find your question vile. You have no idea what paedophilia means to victims and their families... Despite me asking you not to be insulting and explaining my rationale you've done just that. You spare no thought for the affect that your goading insults have on real life victims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 07:54:43 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 28, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
Resuming the factual description, it is noteworthy that from pages 119 and forward, the witness JEREMY WILKINS, affirmed that he saw an individual with a strange appearance and behaviour. This was eventually confirmed to be a guest, who participated in the searches, page 124.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm
I still have doubts that that so-called "confirmation" actually involved Jez Wilkins.  I still maintain that Jez Wilkins never confirmed that Michael Sperrey was the person he saw hanging around the resort that night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 07:57:01 PM
Lets calm it a bit folks ...

For information

A kilometre is 0.62 miles, which is also 3281.5 feet, or 1000 meters. It takes 10 to 12 minutes to walk at a moderate pace.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 07:57:20 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 07:54:43 PM
I still have doubts that that so-called "confirmation" actually involved Jez Wilkins.  I still maintain that Jez Wilkins never confirmed that Michael Sperrey was the person he saw hanging around the resort that night.

It could have been any number of other white Rastafarians present that night at the ocean club, since that's where they hold the association of White Rastafarians AGM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:58:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 07:57:20 PM
It could have been any number of other white Rastafarians present that night at the ocean club, since that's where they hold the association of White Rastafarians AGM.
Comment of the Year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 08:01:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
I find your question vile. You have no idea what paedophilia means to victims and their families... Despite me asking you not to be insulting and explaining my rationale you've done just that. You spare no thought for the affect that your goading insults have on real life victims.

I find YOUR comment vile and grotesque.

And I bet most normal people do, too

[deleted]

,

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 07:57:20 PM
It could have been any number of other white Rastafarians present that night at the ocean club, since that's where they hold the association of White Rastafarians AGM.
You only need one other, and who said Michael Sperrey was a Rastafarian?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
You only need one other, and who said Michael Sperrey was a Rastafarian?

I thought you would need three - Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 07:57:01 PM
Lets calm it a bit folks ...

For information

A kilometre is 0.62 miles, which is also 3281.5 feet, or 1000 meters. It takes 10 to 12 minutes to walk at a moderate pace.
It's not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 08:04:59 PM
It's not.
It's not what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 08:09:53 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
I find your question vile. You have no idea what paedophilia means to victims and their families... Despite me asking you not to be insulting and explaining my rationale you've done just that. You spare no thought for the affect that your goading insults have on real life victims.

I agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly.  You know what this means in real life.  This whole situation regarding Brueckner is very much real life for Madeleine's parents who have lived with thoughts of Madeleine for thirteen years and what might have happened to her.  Their suffering must be unimaginable at the moment and I cannot imagine what type of people they must be who queue up to kick them when they cannot fail to be at their lowest ebb.
Sheer inhumanity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 08:11:05 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 28, 2020, 08:06:42 PM
It's not what?
The radius of the mobile phone ping from the cell tower in 2007, or indeed the intersection of the two.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 08:11:05 PM
The radius of the mobile phone ping from the cell tower in 2007, or indeed the intersection of the two.

According to Misty, who put a graph up a week or so ago, the radius was approximately 5Km
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 08:09:53 PM
I agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly.  You know what this means in real life.  This whole situation regarding Brueckner is very much real life for Madeleine's parents who have lived with thoughts of Madeleine for thirteen years and what might have happened to her.  Their suffering must be unimaginable at the moment and I cannot imagine what type of people they must be who queue up to kick them when they cannot fail to be at their lowest ebb.
Sheer inhumanity.
Who are these 'type of people' you are referring to as inhuman, whilst using Billy's quite visceral comment as a device with which to somehow compare the suffering of victims of paedophilia to the McCann's?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 08:14:48 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 08:09:53 PM
I agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly.  You know what this means in real life.  This whole situation regarding Brueckner is very much real life for Madeleine's parents who have lived with thoughts of Madeleine for thirteen years and what might have happened to her.  Their suffering must be unimaginable at the moment and I cannot imagine what type of people they must be who queue up to kick them when they cannot fail to be at their lowest ebb.
Sheer inhumanity.

That's assuming the McCanns didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 08:16:01 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
According to Misty, who put a graph up a week or so ago, the radius was approximately 5Km
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. You were paying attention.
You're right Jass, it's about 5km....so let's do the math.......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 08:16:18 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 08:11:05 PM
The radius of the mobile phone ping from the cell tower in 2007, or indeed the intersection of the two.

Sigh ... what I actually posted is the time it takes to walk one kilometre.  Ten to twelve minutes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 08:17:38 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 28, 2020, 08:16:18 PM
Sigh ... what I actually posted is the time it takes to walk one kilometre.  Ten to twelve minutes.

Ye I know, but I wasn't replying to you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 08:14:48 PM
That's assuming the McCanns didn't do it.

While they were sat in the Tapas Bar?

Surrounded by seven friends and all the staff and customers?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 28, 2020, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 08:17:38 PM
Ye I know, but I wasn't replying to you.
78 sq km, give or take.
Do we still have Krugel's number?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 08:21:22 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 08:18:55 PM
78 sq km, give or take.
Do we still have Krugel's number?

That was the figure I got. About 50 square miles, so quite a large area. Hardly pin-point accuracy.

There was another PDL mast which might help narrow the area, bur only if the phone pinged both masts at pretty much the same time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 08:21:22 PM
That was the figure I got. About 50 square miles, so quite a large area. Hardly pin-point accuracy.

Oh stop being picky, round abouts is near enough. 8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 08:22:52 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 08:04:59 PM
It's not.


If you want to be pedantic it’s 3820 feet

And that can take just 10 minutes to walk if you’re walking quickly

But you’re assuming he WALKED. Don’t be naive...

He’d have had his car/van parked nearby. Surely you’re not seriously thinking he walked miles with Maddie?>>

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 08:23:52 PM
Quote from: The General on June 28, 2020, 07:31:19 PM
Always the same with you.
Spit the dummy when you're wrong. Jesus, the radius of the phone is pretty big - but guess what, he might have been sat at the Tapas Bar.....and he might have been in the next town, or further.
Why then did the police say that the phone call placed him in the PdL area?  I presume the only explanation is that they are lying.  My dummy was not spat out, you just wore me down and it was time for dinner.  Fully refreshed and raring to go now, dummy very much in position *sucksucksuck*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 28, 2020, 08:25:51 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 08:22:52 PM

If you want to be pedantic it’s 3820 feet

And that can take just 10 minutes to walk if you’re walking quickly

But you’re assuming he WALKED. Don’t be naive...

He’d have had his car/van parked nearby. Surely you’re not seriously thinking he walked miles with Maddie?>>

if CB is guilty...which i think based on the evidence is likely...then he most likely had a car and smithman is not maddies abductor
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 28, 2020, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 08:23:52 PM
Why then did the police say that the phone call placed him in the PdL area?  I presume the only explanation is that they are lying.  My dummy was not spat out, you just wore me down and it was time for dinner.  Fully refreshed and raring to go now, dummy very much in position *sucksucksuck*

What does that  mean ?
How big is the area of the village?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 08:27:11 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 08:26:08 PM
What does that  mean ?
How big is the area of the village?

Parish boundary's can be large.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2020, 08:32:36 PM
Yet still no charges.

GRIM CLUES Madeleine McCann detectives ‘have evidence she is dead’ as they trawl suspect’s videos & pictures found buried with dog

The prosecutor said: "We have strong evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead and that our suspect killed her.

"We don't have the body and no parts of the body, but we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11975041/madeleine-mccann-evidence-dead-christian-b-buried-videos/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 28, 2020, 08:46:09 PM
Well, whether people refuse to believe the press or not, they’re only reporting what they’ve been told.

Seems that the evidence they have that Maddie was murdered by Christian Buerbeck is likely to be amongst the 8000 paedophilic images he buried on his filthy hovel scrubland...

That was evident all along
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11975041/madeleine-mccann-evidence-dead-christian-b-buried-videos/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 28, 2020, 08:50:45 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 08:46:09 PM
Well, whether people refuse to believe the press or not, they’re only reporting what they’ve been told.

Seems that the evidence they have that Maddie was murdered by Christian Buerbeck is likely to be amongst the 8000 paedophilic images he buried on his filthy hovel scrubland...

That was evident all along
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11975041/madeleine-mccann-evidence-dead-christian-b-buried-videos/

Absolutely agreed.. Just to say I don't know why you were not afforded the customary welcome to the forum... I find your posts a breath of fresh air
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 28, 2020, 08:58:50 PM
If there were any photos/videos of Madeleine he would be arrested. Get real!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 09:00:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 28, 2020, 08:25:51 PM
if CB is guilty...which i think based on the evidence is likely...then he most likely had a car and smithman is not maddies abductor

How do you know Smithman wasn't an acquaintance of the German sex offender (given that you don't believe it was GM).... And is circumstantial evidence enough for you? What we know from the press would not win a conviction, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 28, 2020, 08:58:50 PM
If there were any photos/videos of Madeleine he would be arrested. Get real!

Same with DNA evidence.

They probably have him in some chat room saying he killed Maddie, as well as his friend saying that he said that he dunnit.

That'll stand up in court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 09:05:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 28, 2020, 08:50:45 PM
Absolutely agreed.. Just to say I don't know why you were not afforded the customary welcome to the forum... I find your posts a breath of fresh air

The McCann's campaigned against internet trolls who held that unsubstantiated press reports were facts, let's not forget!!.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 28, 2020, 09:52:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2020, 08:32:36 PM
Yet still no charges.

GRIM CLUES Madeleine McCann detectives ‘have evidence she is dead’ as they trawl suspect’s videos & pictures found buried with dog

The prosecutor said: "We have strong evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead and that our suspect killed her.

"We don't have the body and no parts of the body, but we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11975041/madeleine-mccann-evidence-dead-christian-b-buried-videos/


Or give the evidence to the PJ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 10:55:47 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 28, 2020, 07:26:07 PM
ALL phones can be tracked to their exact spot

You are obviously ignorant about the technology available in 2007, when phones could not be tracked to their exact spot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2020, 11:37:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 28, 2020, 08:26:08 PM
What does that  mean ?
How big is the area of the village?
It’s not a big village is it?  Even if he was 10km away at the time of the phone call that is just minutes away from Apt 5a by Winnebago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 28, 2020, 11:49:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 10:55:47 PM
You are obviously ignorant about the technology available in 2007, when phones could not be tracked to their exact spot.

Mobile phones with GPS capability were available in Europe in 1999. In 2001 Tom Tom & Garvin launched in-car sat nav.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2000276/a-brief-history-of-gps.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 11:37:41 PM
It’s not a big village is it?  Even if he was 10km away at the time of the phone call that is just minutes away from Apt 5a by Winnebago.

The point is that it isn't possible to say where exactly he was. When the newspapers say 'near the Ocean Club' or 'in Praia da Luz' insert 'within the area of the Luz telephone masts'. One of those masts covered a wide area.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 12:02:30 AM
Quote from: misty on June 28, 2020, 11:49:53 PM
Mobile phones with GPS capability were available in Europe in 1999. In 2001 Tom Tom & Garvin launched in-car sat nav.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2000276/a-brief-history-of-gps.html

I have seen nothing suggesting that this technology was relevant in the McCann case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 29, 2020, 12:09:36 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 28, 2020, 08:58:50 PM
If there were any photos/videos of Madeleine he would be arrested. Get real!

Police would have to prove
a) CB owned the original device from which the material originated
b) the original device was in his possession at the time the material was recorded prior to uploading
c) no-one else except CB had access to the device
d) CB's image was present on any digital material recovered related to Madeleine's death.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 29, 2020, 12:13:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 12:02:30 AM
I have seen nothing suggesting that this technology was relevant in the McCann case.

Why wouldn't it have been relevant? Didn't the McCanns employ Halligen partly because he said he could obtain satellite imagery of people's movements on the streets of Luz on 3rd May?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 29, 2020, 12:39:03 AM
Madeleine McCann suspect 'will not get out of jail' even if granted parole
EXCLUSIVE: Local prosecutor Stephanie Gropp said 'condemned Christian Brueckner will not get out' as he appeals a seven-year term for raping an American woman aged 72 in Portugal
By Andy Lines & Rob Hyde
21:19, 28 JUN 2020

The man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann has no chance of being freed from jail on parole, German prosecutors insist.

Christian Brueckner, 43, is serving 21 months for drugs offences and appealing a seven-year term for raping an American woman aged 72 in Portugal, where Madeleine went missing.

There have been reports he may be released from jail in Kiel, northern Germany, by exploiting a loophole in the legal system.

But local prosecutor Stephanie Gropp said “the condemned man will not get out” even if he is granted parole – because a detention order issued over the rape “has not yet been revoked”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-will-not-22267141

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:42:43 AM
Quote from: misty on June 29, 2020, 12:13:59 AM
Why wouldn't it have been relevant? Didn't the McCanns employ Halligen partly because he said he could obtain satellite imagery of people's movements on the streets of Luz on 3rd May?

Available or used is what I meant. Halligen apparently did a good job of conning the McCanns and had a lovely time spending the money that people donated to the Fund.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 29, 2020, 02:02:37 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:42:43 AM
Available or used is what I meant. Halligen apparently did a good job of conning the McCanns and had a lovely time spending the money that people donated to the Fund.

Is there any reason the Met (or PJ) wouldn't have taken advantage of GPS data available in 2007/8 if an abductor was being sought? The technology was there & Halligen exploited its mere existence to the detriment of the search for Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 29, 2020, 05:38:03 AM
'60 Minutes Australia' report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 06:57:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 28, 2020, 08:50:45 PM
Absolutely agreed.. Just to say I don't know why you were not afforded the customary welcome to the forum... I find your posts a breath of fresh air
If the adversarial style of posting is to your liking fair enough,as to the content it's much of a muchness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 07:10:18 AM
Quote from: misty on June 29, 2020, 02:02:37 AM
Is there any reason the Met (or PJ) wouldn't have taken advantage of GPS data available in 2007/8 if an abductor was being sought? The technology was there & Halligen exploited its mere existence to the detriment of the search for Madeleine.
GPS is in the phone not implanted in the person,wood for the trees.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 07:55:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 28, 2020, 08:25:51 PM
if CB is guilty...which i think based on the evidence is likely...then he most likely had a car and smithman is not maddies abductor



I read through some official reports last night, that are all factual and unbiased

The man seen by Martin Smith and his family carrying a child and who resembled Gerry, later detracted it when told that so many witnesses had Gerry sat in the Tapas Bar at 10pm that night. It was also some distance from the complex; about a quarter of a mile, I believe — who would walk down busy streets (someone said it was like Piccadilly Circus) carrying a dead child in their arms?

I believe Martin Smith was telling the truth, but the man he saw was possibly a local or holidaymaker taking their sleeping daughter home or to their hotel. If the man wasn’t British he may have no idea Smith was referring to him; it didn’t make the news for months on end, and the man probably never even read about it.

Whatever, the police ruled that sighting out as being Gerry.

There’s is the remote possibility the man was another paedophile, but again, they’re not going to walk the streets with a child they’ve kidnapped. And they certainly wouldn’t want a dead child.

The Jane Tanner sighting, which the Portuguese police said she’d made up, turned out to be a holidaymaker taking his child back from night crèche. He came forward about a year later.

But as far as the Smith sighting is concerned — it defintely wasn’t Gerry

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 07:59:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 28, 2020, 08:50:45 PM
Absolutely agreed.. Just to say I don't know why you were not afforded the customary welcome to the forum... I find your posts a breath of fresh air


Thank you, Dave

I tend to irritate people by speaking my mind, but that isn’t my problem — it’s theirs 😌

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:06:09 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 28, 2020, 08:58:50 PM
If there were any photos/videos of Madeleine he would be arrested. Get real!


Firstly, how do you know they aren’t going to arrest him?

Secondly, if they have found images of Maddie on CB’s stash of hidden paedophilic images, he could argue that he downloaded them and had nothing to do with what happened to her. He could even say he didn’t know what images were on the memory stick and he hid them for someone else. He’s not going to admit filming what happened, is he?

The police need to find Maddie’s body to charge him.

If they only have images, they can only charge him with possession of images.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:12:18 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 28, 2020, 09:05:07 PM
The McCann's campaigned against internet trolls who held that unsubstantiated press reports were facts, let's not forget!!.


I don’t know who you’re referring to, unless it’s the people on here who are saying they believe the McCann’s killed Maddie?

I hope you’re not referring to me as a troll, because I’m most certainly not.

Nor do I write unsubstantiated reports — I write facts, with occasional suggestions

Do you just write substantiated facts?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:15:14 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 10:55:47 PM
You are obviously ignorant about the technology available in 2007, when phones could not be tracked to their exact spot.


Ignorant? Possibly...but I’m not CRUEL.

In the event the police stated that CB’s phone was located as being by the complex. In 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 08:28:09 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 08:06:09 AM

Firstly, how do you know they aren’t going to arrest him?

Secondly, if they have found images of Maddie on CB’s stash of hidden paedophilic images, he could argue that he downloaded them and had nothing to do with what happened to her. He could even say he didn’t know what images were on the memory stick and he hid them for someone else. He’s not going to admit filming what happened, is he?

The police need to find Maddie’s body to charge him.

If they only have images, they can only charge him with possession of images.

You are absolutely right... Possession of the images doesn't prove he was involved but it would be concrete evifencebof Maddies death... So it certainly fits the bill.
We have to be careful believing everything they say in the papers but they have said no dna in either of the cars... But they won't confirm or deny the existence of the images... I think that's a yes from the Gemans... No wonder amaral has changed his tune
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 08:29:41 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:42:43 AM
Available or used is what I meant. Halligen apparently did a good job of conning the McCanns and had a lovely time spending the money that people donated to the Fund.

Vulnerable people are easily conned....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:35:45 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2020, 09:03:37 PM
Same with DNA evidence.

They probably have him in some chat room saying he killed Maddie, as well as his friend saying that he said that he dunnit.

That'll stand up in court.


You almost sound like you don’t want Maddie’s killer found and for her to be laid to rest?

CB has huge (albeit) circumstantial evidence against him; witness reports of things he’s said — which haven’t all been made public; he’s a convicted rapist; a convicted sex abuser of young children; a paedophile; a convicted thief; a burglar; a woman beater; a known liar; visits internet paedophile rooms; has admitted he’d like to steal and use/hurt/abuse a child then destroy the evidence; is a drug smuggler; had children’s worn swimsuits in his motorhome; is suspected of maybe murdering other children; had various wigs and women’s clothes possibly for disguise; and these are just the things the police know about....

He was in the vicinity of the complex on the night Maddie vanished.

He reregistered his car into another man’s name the day after Maddie vanished.

He himself suddenly left Portugal just one month after Maddie’s disappearance, despite having lived there since 1994, and with having nowhere to go in Germany: he had to beg for a room from a near stranger.

He’d hidden his memory stick with the thousands of grave paedophilic images on beneath the body of his dead dog.


And you seem to be suggesting he shouldn’t be questioned!

Wouldn’t you like to see Maddie’s abductor brought to justice? See her be laid to rest? See her parents’ have closure, as heartbreaking as it is?





Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 29, 2020, 05:38:03 AM
'60 Minutes Australia' report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q)

just watching this now..

HCW the german prosecutor...we have enough evidence to say madeleine is dead...and that our suspect killed her.
he speaks good english
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:15:43 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 10:55:47 PM
You are obviously ignorant about the technology available in 2007, when phones could not be tracked to their exact spot.


You need to take that back.

Indeed, they’ve been able to trace CB to being BY the complex in 2007 on the night Maddie disappeared.

Mobile masts have always been able to show where a phone is, although now technology can almost pinpoint a spot within metres, back in 2007 it would pinpoint an area of so many yards.


CB was by the complex speaking on his phone for 30 minutes

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:17:42 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2020, 11:37:41 PM
It’s not a big village is it?  Even if he was 10km away at the time of the phone call that is just minutes away from Apt 5a by Winnebago.


Recorded prove he by the complex, VS

Some people will disagree with that, though...😌

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:19:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 28, 2020, 11:53:04 PM
The point is that it isn't possible to say where exactly he was. When the newspapers say 'near the Ocean Club' or 'in Praia da Luz' insert 'within the area of the Luz telephone masts'. One of those masts covered a wide area.

You’re wrong

They’ve proved he was by the Ocean Club

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:19:18 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 08:35:45 AM

You almost sound like you don’t want Maddie’s killer found and for her to be laid to rest?

CB has huge (albeit) circumstantial evidence against him; witness reports of things he’s said — which haven’t all been made public; he’s a convicted rapist; a convicted sex abuser of young children; a paedophile; a convicted thief; a burglar; a woman beater; a known liar; visits internet paedophile rooms; has admitted he’d like to steal and use/hurt/abuse a child then destroy the evidence; is a drug smuggler; had children’s worn swimsuits in his motorhome; is suspected of maybe murdering other children; had various wigs and women’s clothes possibly for disguise; and these are just the things the police know about....

He was in the vicinity of the complex on the night Maddie vanished.

He reregistered his car into another man’s name the day after Maddie vanished.

He himself suddenly left Portugal just one month after Maddie’s disappearance, despite having lived there since 1994, and with having nowhere to go in Germany: he had to beg for a room from a near stranger.

He’d hidden his memory stick with the thousands of grave paedophilic images on beneath the body of his dead dog.


And you seem to be suggesting he shouldn’t be questioned!

Wouldn’t you like to see Maddie’s abductor brought to justice? See her be laid to rest? See her parents’ have closure, as heartbreaking as it is?


I believe the mccs already have closure - as they have already said all this is disrupting there lives.

As for the rest of the post, we know all that - we read the same media reports as you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 09:24:32 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:19:18 AM

I believe the mccs already have closure - as they have already said all this is disrupting there lives.

As for the rest of the post, we know all that - we read the same media reports as you.

What you believe is of no importance..its the truth that matters and the german police have said they have strong evidence that their suspect killed maddie...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:30:22 AM
Quote from: misty on June 29, 2020, 12:09:36 AM
Police would have to prove
a) CB owned the original device from which the material originated
b) the original device was in his possession at the time the material was recorded prior to uploading
c) no-one else except CB had access to the device
d) CB's image was present on any digital material recovered related to Madeleine's death.


That’s not correct.

The fact the memory stick was on Christian Brueckner’s Land is enough evidence it belonged to him. How do you think they catch paedophiles in the UK who download images on their home computers? When the police raid and take the computers, if they find image son there they charge the owner of that computer. The owner can’t turn round and say “I didn’t download it, a friend did”, because it belongs to them and therefore they’re responsible.

And what jury or judge would believe a stranger would have hidden that memory stick under CB’s dead dog?

And don’t you think they’ve got all the DNA off it?

And why would he hide it?



None of those excuses would wash at all.

Some paedophiles have tried all that in the past, and they’ve never got away with it. People aren’t stupid...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 29, 2020, 12:39:03 AM
Madeleine McCann suspect 'will not get out of jail' even if granted parole
EXCLUSIVE: Local prosecutor Stephanie Gropp said 'condemned Christian Brueckner will not get out' as he appeals a seven-year term for raping an American woman aged 72 in Portugal
By Andy Lines & Rob Hyde
21:19, 28 JUN 2020

The man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann has no chance of being freed from jail on parole, German prosecutors insist.

Christian Brueckner, 43, is serving 21 months for drugs offences and appealing a seven-year term for raping an American woman aged 72 in Portugal, where Madeleine went missing.

There have been reports he may be released from jail in Kiel, northern Germany, by exploiting a loophole in the legal system.

But local prosecutor Stephanie Gropp said “the condemned man will not get out” even if he is granted parole – because a detention order issued over the rape “has not yet been revoked”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-will-not-22267141


Hans Christian Worter isn’t to be messed with.

A pity we don’t his likes everywhere.

He’s determined to get that evil CB, and he will do. Guarantee it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 29, 2020, 09:34:11 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:19:18 AM

I believe the mccs already have closure - as they have already said all this is disrupting there lives.

As for the rest of the post, we know all that - we read the same media reports as you.

Have closure?   They don't know what happened to Madeleine,  they don't know where she is.  They won't have closure until they know all the answers.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 09:24:32 AM
What you believe is of no importance..its the truth that matters and the german police have said they have strong evidence that their suspect killed maddie...
 

Oh right so that's that then is it, Lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:37:51 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 06:57:23 AM
If the adversarial style of posting is to your liking fair enough,as to the content it's much of a muchness.

Isn’t everyone’s, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:40:07 AM
Quote from: Lace on June 29, 2020, 09:34:11 AM
Have closure?   They don't know what happened to Madeleine,  they don't know where she is.  They won't have closure until they know all the answers.

Well, that's fine if you believe Maddie was abducted I suppose.

But I don't believe Maddie was abducted - so, therefore, we have our difference of opinion fgs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 07:10:18 AM
GPS is in the phone not implanted in the person,wood for the trees.


Well, the police don’t view it like you do

They always use GPS to track people by their phones.

Guess why?

Because almost everyone in the world has a mobile phone, and they almost always have it on them when they go out.

Makes sense, no?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:35:21 AM
 

Oh right so that's that then is it, Lol

It would be better to see what this evidence is before jumping to conclusions as you and others have done...claiming he is not gulty but a scapegoat and refusing even to consider his guilt. I suggested maddie might be on one of the memory sticks found...the prosecutor is refusing to confirm or deny this wheras he had no problem confirming no dna in the cars....looks like I could very well be right
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 09:42:35 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:40:07 AM
Well, that's fine if you believe Maddie was abducted I suppose.

But I don't believe Maddie was abducted - so, therefore, we have our difference of opinion fgs.

There may well be proof of abduction coming soon...I wonder what you will say then
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 29, 2020, 09:43:06 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:40:07 AM
Well, that's fine if you believe Maddie was abducted I suppose.

But I don't believe Maddie was abducted - so, therefore, we have our difference of opinion fgs.

Then you should insert IMO in your posts fgs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 29, 2020, 05:38:03 AM
'60 Minutes Australia' report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q)

That really is an excellent report  ....sceptics hould watch it instead of the usual rubbish some of them rely on like R D Hall
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 09:47:20 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
That really is an excellent report  ....sceptics hould watch it instead of the usual rubbish some of them rely on like R D Hall

I'm not a "sceptic" and I think it's rubbish (but thanks for posting Myster).   And before you say it I know you think my theory is "rubbish".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 09:49:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
That really is an excellent report  ....sceptics hould watch it instead of the usual rubbish some of them rely on like R D Hall

The content is about as valid as the dog alerts and the LCN DNA test results.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:53:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 09:41:16 AM
It would be better to see what this evidence is before jumping to conclusions as you and others have done...claiming he is not gulty but a scapegoat and refusing even to consider his guilt. I suggested maddie might be on one of the memory sticks found...the prosecutor is refusing to confirm or deny this wheras he had no problem confirming no dna in the cars....looks like I could very well be right


Wrong... it's you who need to stop jumping to conclusions - believing everything you read.

I don't get told what to think - I think for myself.

Don't believe Maddie was abducted - So how can I think CB did it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:55:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 08:28:09 AM
You are absolutely right... Possession of the images doesn't prove he was involved but it would be concrete evifencebof Maddies death... So it certainly fits the bill.
We have to be careful believing everything they say in the papers but they have said no dna in either of the cars... But they won't confirm or deny the existence of the images... I think that's a yes from the Gemans... No wonder amaral has changed his tune


Yes, sadly it’s sounding more and more likely that the German police have seen the evidence on CB’s memory stick. Of course, he’ll deny knowledge of it, but the fact he buried it underneath his dead dog is going to make it tricky for him

No-one else would’ve have buried it beneath his dog, and he won’t be able to get someone to come forward and say they buried it! It was buried on his land, too...and possibly has his DNA on it.

I think he’s extremely cunning and careful, and I doubt he’d have been stupid enough to put Maddie into his Jaguar or camper-van — they were too eye-catching and he was known to the police. He did deal in cars though, and had lots of old bangers dotted around, so would have used an insignificant car that’s possibly now crushed or abandoned somewhere. Or maybe sold...

I’ve always suspected Maddie was put inside a suitcase. No-one would look twice at someone wheeling a suitcase along in a holiday resort. He probably wheeled it to where his car was parked some way away (I recall sniffer dogs picking up her scent and it ended in a supermarket car park fairly nearby), and he just put the case in his car and drove off,

I don’t think he stayed in the area...he probably drove miles away with her.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 09:56:02 AM
We're nearly 4 weeks on from the announcement and despite all the media furore still no charges!

Can anyone recall a case where so much has been made of a suspect, yes a SUSPECT, who hasn't even been charged let alone found guilty in a court of law!

Shall we do away with courts and judicial process and have trail by media and mob rule instead? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 09:56:41 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 09:47:20 AM
I'm not a "sceptic" and I think it's rubbish (but thanks for posting Myster).   And before you say it I know you think my theory is "rubbish".

Perhaps you could tell us what you think is rubbish about it...I found it excellent. Particularly a first hand account that the prosecutor has ...evidence that our suspect killed madeleine....

I suspect your opinion is driven by the facyt that their evidence doesnt fit with your theory.

Try and be  alittle more open minded and accept your theory is not proven
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:53:10 AM

Wrong... it's you who need to stop jumping to conclusions - believing everything you read.

I don't get told what to think - I think for myself.

Don't believe Maddie was abducted - So how can I think CB did it.

I certainly dont believe everything I read ...thats a stupid statement.Your post needs some IMOs.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 09:55:02 AM

Yes, sadly it’s sounding more and more likely that the German police have seen the evidence on CB’s memory stick. Of course, he’ll deny knowledge of it, but the fact he buried it underneath his dead dog is going to make it tricky for him

No-one else would’ve have buried it beneath his dog, and he won’t be able to get someone to come forward and say they buried it! It was buried on his land, too...and possibly has his DNA on it.

I think he’s extremely cunning and careful, and I doubt he’d have been stupid enough to put Maddie into his Jaguar or camper-van — they were too eye-catching and he was known to the police. He did deal in cars though, and had lots of old bangers dotted around, so would have used an insignificant car that’s possibly now crushed or abandoned somewhere. Or maybe sold...

I’ve always suspected Maddie was put inside a suitcase. No-one would look twice at someone wheeling a suitcase along in a holiday resort. He probably wheeled it to where his car was parked some way away (I recall sniffer dogs picking up her scent and it ended in a supermarket car park fairly nearby), and he just put the case in his car and drove off,

I don’t think he stayed in the area...he probably drove miles away with her.

If he had incriminating images on a memory stick how likely is it he would bury the stick with his dead dog? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 10:03:19 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 09:56:02 AM
We're nearly 4 weeks on from the announcement and despite all the media furore still no charges!

Can anyone recall a case where so much has been made of a suspect, yes a SUSPECT, who hasn't even been charged let alone found guilty in a court of law!

Shall we do away with courts and judicial process and have trail by media and mob rule instead?

Well said.

This is what it seems like to me - scrapping the barrel all the time.

But IMO they are doing a good job of brainwashing people into thinking they have their abductor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:19:18 AM

I believe the mccs already have closure - as they have already said all this is disrupting there lives.

As for the rest of the post, we know all that - we read the same media reports as you.


The McCanns’ have never said they have closure? How can they have when they don’t know what happened to her? And why are they still keeping the case open? They’ve said they haven’t given up hope of finding her, whatever the outcome.

It’s possible that due to the incompetent Portuguese police, and the fact New Scotland Yard didn’t forward letters from Hans Christian Worter — and all the squabbling going on between the different police teams — the McCanns’ do feel exasperated. But if the German police locate Maddie, surely they’ll then get closure, however painful and heartbreaking?

As for what I put n my posts, I don’t know what others read as I’m not a mind reader...

When I see a post that starts to disinterest me because I’ve already read similar, or it’s insignificant I skip it and read something else 😊
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:01:02 AM
If he had incriminating images on a memory stick how likely is it he would bury the stick with his dead dog?

All the images are incriminating...just the possession of them...so he obviously thought they wouldnt be found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 09:56:02 AM
We're nearly 4 weeks on from the announcement and despite all the media furore still no charges!

Can anyone recall a case where so much has been made of a suspect, yes a SUSPECT, who hasn't even been charged let alone found guilty in a court of law!

Shall we do away with courts and judicial process and have trail by media and mob rule instead?

They are going through and invstigating teh 400 phone calls for one....and who knows what else.

trial by media and mob rule is exactly what amaral did...good to see you disagree with it

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:08:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 09:24:32 AM
What you believe is of no importance..its the truth that matters and the german police have said they have strong evidence that their suspect killed maddie...


Maybe she shouldn’t read this forum if she already knows everything, and she does say the McCanns’ bring out the worst in her....and now she’s saying what they FEEL and THINK.

Is she their spokesman, despite them bringing out the worst in her?

Strange...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:09:22 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 10:03:19 AM
Well said.

This is what it seems like to me - scrapping the barrel all the time.

But IMO they are doing a good job of brainwashing people into thinking they have their abductor.

I would say you and other sceptics have been brainwashed... i havent seen one peice of original thought from you...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:11:06 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:40:07 AM
Well, that's fine if you believe Maddie was abducted I suppose.

But I don't believe Maddie was abducted - so, therefore, we have our difference of opinion fgs.


But what you believe doesn’t matter

And you’re in no position to comment on their behalf, coming out with strange ideas that they have closure
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:12:17 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
That really is an excellent report  ....sceptics hould watch it instead of the usual rubbish some of them rely on like R D Hall

Thank you, Dave...I’ve saved it and will watch after lunch.

It sounds excellent!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 29, 2020, 10:12:35 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 08:28:09 AM
You are absolutely right... Possession of the images doesn't prove he was involved but it would be concrete evifencebof Maddies death... So it certainly fits the bill.
We have to be careful believing everything they say in the papers but they have said no dna in either of the cars... But they won't confirm or deny the existence of the images... I think that's a yes from the Gemans... No wonder amaral has changed his tune
....and they never deemed it necessary to release these images to the parents?
Wrong tree Dav.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:15:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 09:56:41 AM
Perhaps you could tell us what you think is rubbish about it...I found it excellent. Particularly a first hand account that the prosecutor has ...evidence that our suspect killed madeleine....

I suspect your opinion is driven by the facyt that their evidence doesnt fit with your theory.

Try and be  alittle more open minded and accept your theory is not proven

Neither  has it been proven CB was responsible.  He hasn't even been charged.  Neither has the rape charge been imposed.

The German guy in the vid said the fact he was sexually assaulting different age ranges ie 72 yoa and 3 yoa is immaterial from a sexual perspective because its all about power and control and choosing vulnerable victims.  If this is true why not take AM?  He also made the point MM was likely to have been killed as she was of an age she could talk which again comes back to why not AM?

This guy was in everyone's midst, right under their noses, and despite the biggest missing child inquiry ever he managed to fall under the radar  until last month *&^^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 09:41:16 AM
It would be better to see what this evidence is before jumping to conclusions as you and others have done...claiming he is not gulty but a scapegoat and refusing even to consider his guilt. I suggested maddie might be on one of the memory sticks found...the prosecutor is refusing to confirm or deny this wheras he had no problem confirming no dna in the cars....looks like I could very well be right


I guarantee his evidence is on that memory stick.

Hans Worter comes across so thorough and so determined, and as you say, he admitted there’s no DNA in the cars, but hasn’t denied he has evidence on the memory stick. And he has said he has concrete evidence: not just that Maddie is dead but how she died too.

That means he’s seen it.

So you’re right — it’s on that memory stick. It has to be.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 09:56:02 AM
We're nearly 4 weeks on from the announcement and despite all the media furore still no charges!

Can anyone recall a case where so much has been made of a suspect, yes a SUSPECT, who hasn't even been charged let alone found guilty in a court of law!

Shall we do away with courts and judicial process and have trail by media and mob rule instead?


Jeremy Bamber wasn’t charged immediately, either....

And he’s not the only one.

There’s been scores of suspects who haven’t been charged for months on end, sometimes years.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: The General on June 29, 2020, 10:12:35 AM
....and they never deemed it necessary to release these images to the parents?
Wrong tree Dav.


Are you being serious?

Do you REALLY think the police would show the McCanns’ a video of their little daughter being raped in terror and then killed?!!!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
All the images are incriminating...just the possession of them...so he obviously thought they wouldnt be found.

You don't even have proof that a memory stick with incriminating material on has been found just what HCW is telling the media. 

You do realise law enforcement use the media to smoke out suspects? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:15:09 AM
Neither  has it been proven CB was responsible.  He hasn't even been charged.  Neither has the rape charge been imposed.

The German guy in the vid said the fact he was sexually assaulting different age ranges ie 72 yoa and 3 yoa is immaterial from a sexual perspective because its all about power and control and choosing vulnerable victims.  If this is true why not take AM?  He also made the point MM was likely to have been killed as she was of an age she could talk which again comes back to why not AM?

This guy was in everyone's midst, right under their noses, and despite the biggest missing child inquiry ever he managed to fall under the radar  until last month *&^^&

Your argument doesnt stack up imo. CB is  a very complex personality but you are trying to simplify it.


He might have been there  but his sexual attack and paedophilia tendencies were not known about. He also managed to avoid detection in 2005 for the rape case. If you had watched the video you would have known hes been on the German radar for two years..perhaps you didnt watch it all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:01:02 AM
If he had incriminating images on a memory stick how likely is it he would bury the stick with his dead dog?


I’d say it’s the ideal place for a psychopath to bury a memory stick — beneath his dead dog!

When searching, if police spotted disturbed ground then saw a dog there they’d probably just assume it was buried there and not look any further. That’s where psychopaths trip up: they think no-one is as clever as they are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
You don't even have proof that a memory stick with incriminating material on has been found just what HCW is telling the media. 

You do realise law enforcement use the media to smoke out suspects?

i think your posts are becoming ridiculous...you think we cannot beleive what HCW says.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:24:52 AM

I’d say it’s the ideal place for a psychopath to bury a memory stick — beneath his dead dog!

When searching, if police spotted disturbed ground then saw a dog there they’d probably just assume it was buried there and not look any further. That’s where psychopaths trip up: they think no-one is as clever as they are.

precisely
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:19:24 AM

Jeremy Bamber wasn’t charged immediately, either....

And he’s not the only one.

There’s been scores of suspects who haven’t been charged for months on end, sometimes years.

You identify one single case where so much has been made in the media about a SUSPECT some of which has been driven by we are led to believe a legitimate source ie HCW? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:16:44 AM

I guarantee his evidence is on that memory stick.

Hans Worter comes across so thorough and so determined, and as you say, he admitted there’s no DNA in the cars, but hasn’t denied he has evidence on the memory stick. And he has said he has concrete evidence: not just that Maddie is dead but how she died too.

That means he’s seen it.

So you’re right — it’s on that memory stick. It has to be.

How strong is your guarantee?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 10:28:44 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 09:56:02 AM
We're nearly 4 weeks on from the announcement and despite all the media furore still no charges!

Can anyone recall a case where so much has been made of a suspect, yes a SUSPECT, who hasn't even been charged let alone found guilty in a court of law!

Shall we do away with courts and judicial process and have trail by media and mob rule instead?

Injustice forum more like.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 10:25:45 AM
i think your posts are becoming ridiculous...you think we cannot beleive what HCW says.

How do you know HCW isn't using the media to smoke a.n other out?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 10:27:29 AM
How strong is your guarantee?

my point which is also made by i spy is that the Germans have admitted no evidence has been found in the cars...but refuse to comment on the memory stick
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 10:30:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 10:29:55 AM
my point which is also made by i spy is that the Germans have admitted no evidence has been found in the cars...but refuse to comment on the memory stick

Ispy issued a guarantee, its up them to back it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
How do you know HCW isn't using the media to smoke a.n other out?

i don't see hes lying about the memory stick...i think thats quite  a barmy idea
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 10:30:46 AM
Ispy issued a guarantee, its up them to back it.

its  a figure of speech
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:32:00 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 10:03:19 AM
Well said.

This is what it seems like to me - scrapping the barrel all the time.

But IMO they are doing a good job of brainwashing people into thinking they have their abductor.


IMO you’ve done a good job of brainwashing yourself

If you seriously think Kate and/or Gerry were in the Tapas Bar eating, drinking, laughing, chatting...between doing half hourly checks that took 10 minutes, then came back for their food AFTER killing their daughter, quickly running down the road with her where it was teaming with people, hiding her somewhere, running back, then sitting back down to tuck into Tapas all normal...chatting away all merrily...


You must have been brainwashed into believing the impossible.


Besides it being ludicrous, they had no motive, no need, they weren’t mad, they were a loving normal family.

Some people WANT them to be guilty for some reason....God knows why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 10:32:32 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 10:31:50 AM
its  a figure of speech

Cop out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:34:24 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:24:52 AM

I’d say it’s the ideal place for a psychopath to bury a memory stick — beneath his dead dog!

When searching, if police spotted disturbed ground then saw a dog there they’d probably just assume it was buried there and not look any further. That’s where psychopaths trip up: they think no-one is as clever as they are.

They wouldn't find a dead dog just bones!  How would anyone know if they buried a memory stick under a dog it wouldn't be easily identifiable between small bones?

If you wanted to get rid of a small item you would burn it or drop it into something corrosive. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:37:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 10:30:56 AM
i don't see hes lying about the memory stick...i think thats quite  a barmy idea

You're not intimately involved with the operations Davel.  Neither am I but I do know BS when I hear it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:15:09 AM
Neither  has it been proven CB was responsible.  He hasn't even been charged.  Neither has the rape charge been imposed.

The German guy in the vid said the fact he was sexually assaulting different age ranges ie 72 yoa and 3 yoa is immaterial from a sexual perspective because its all about power and control and choosing vulnerable victims.  If this is true why not take AM?  He also made the point MM was likely to have been killed as she was of an age she could talk which again comes back to why not AM?

This guy was in everyone's midst, right under their noses, and despite the biggest missing child inquiry ever he managed to fall under the radar  until last month *&^^&


Had he taken Amelia you’d say why didn’t he take Maddie.

He took Maddie for his own evil perverted warped pleasure. He may have taken her as it was easier to lift her out the bed. He may have noticed she was a girl....he may have thought the twins in the cots were boys. Although there’s rumours he may have killed a young boy too. He may have thought it would be easier to keep Maddie quiet rather than a two-year-old who wouldn’t stop screaming. You don’t know.

You’re just doing a guessing game.





Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:38:50 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
You identify one single case where so much has been made in the media about a SUSPECT some of which has been driven by we are led to believe a legitimate source ie HCW?

ISpy/Davel above please? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:40:12 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:15:09 AM
Neither  has it been proven CB was responsible.  He hasn't even been charged.  Neither has the rape charge been imposed.

The German guy in the vid said the fact he was sexually assaulting different age ranges ie 72 yoa and 3 yoa is immaterial from a sexual perspective because its all about power and control and choosing vulnerable victims.  If this is true why not take AM?  He also made the point MM was likely to have been killed as she was of an age she could talk which again comes back to why not AM?

This guy was in everyone's midst, right under their noses, and despite the biggest missing child inquiry ever he managed to fall under the radar  until last month *&^^&


The rape charge on the 72-year-old is waiting for him...like Bamber he’s going to try and deny it despite DNA evidence and the filming he did.

Correction: He was found guilty of rape but is appealing against something or the other...like psychopaths always do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:37:07 AM
You're not intimately involved with the operations Davel.  Neither am I but I do know BS when I hear it.

And so do I ...most of the BS I hear is on this forum
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 10:41:13 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
You identify one single case where so much has been made in the media about a SUSPECT some of which has been driven by we are led to believe a legitimate source ie HCW?

Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:38:50 AM
ISpy/Davel above please? 

Justice works in silence not through the media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:42:18 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:38:19 AM

Had he taken Amelia you’d say why didn’t he take Maddie.

He took Maddie for his own evil perverted warped pleasure. He may have taken her as it was easier to lift her out the bed. He may have noticed she was a girl....he may have thought the twins in the cots were boys. Although there’s rumours he may have killed a young boy too. He may have thought it would be easier to keep Maddie quiet rather than a two-year-old who wouldn’t stop screaming. You don’t know.

You’re just doing a guessing game.

I'm guessing yes like the authorities and everyone else.  If not guessing charge him.  He hasn't been charged because there's no evidence.  A perv in the locality whose mobile was routed through a mast close to his abode isn't evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 10:43:40 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:40:12 AM

The rape charge on the 72-year-old is waiting for him...like Bamber he’s going to try and deny it despite DNA evidence and the filming he did.

No he's not,its the fact he was charged with something else then the rape was added on,he's protesting at the echr.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
And so do I ...most of the BS I hear is on this forum

No more or less BS here than you'll find in the media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:42:18 AM
I'm guessing yes like the authorities and everyone else.  If not guessing charge him.  He hasn't been charged because there's no evidence.  A perv in the locality whose mobile was routed through a mast close to his abode isn't evidence.

I would think they have more evidence than that but looking for more...hence the public a ppeal and hence the publicity. You may have noticed HCW hasnt mentioned his name. It seems that once hes identified he has the right to see all the evidence gainst him...which suggests the germans have more than you suggest.
Im not really intersted in long discussions when we will soon know the truth
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:46:57 AM
No more or less BS here than you'll find in the media.

A lot more here...but less than on other sites..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:34:24 AM
They wouldn't find a dead dog just bones!  How would anyone know if they buried a memory stick under a dog it wouldn't be easily identifiable between small bones?

If you wanted to get rid of a small item you would burn it or drop it into something corrosive.


He didn’t WANT to get rid of the memory stick, though, did he.

He’s a paedophile. He wanted it. He’d have gone back to get it, so he could watch it all again. That’s what they do.

And where better to bury a memory stick than BENEATH your dead dog?! Even if the police found just bones and fur they’d know it was the grave of a dog and would possibly leave it. Unfortunately for the evil CB they weren’t thick. They searched deeper..and VOILA!

Got the b*stard.

Make no mistake. HCW is playing a very clever tactic. Slowly, slowly catch the monkey

He has the evidence, and YES, I do guarantee he will be charged.

That officer isn’t a silly little plonker like Amaral...and he knows FAR more than he’s revealing. He’s not going to lay all his cards on the table. And....I also guarantee CB is sh*tting himself.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:50:08 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 10:30:46 AM
Ispy issued a guarantee, its up them to back it.


Yes, I guarantee it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:40:12 AM

The rape charge on the 72-year-old is waiting for him...like Bamber he’s going to try and deny it despite DNA evidence and the filming he did.

If it's watertight why hasn't it been imposed?

Do the authorities have a vid recording of the rape?  No someone saying they saw it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:50:37 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:49:22 AM

He didn’t WANT to get rid of the memory stick, though, did he.

He’s a paedophile. He wanted it. He’d have gone back to get it, so he could watch it all again. That’s what they do.

And where better to bury a memory stick than BENEATH your dead dog?! Even if the police found just bones and fur they’d know it was the grave of a dog and would possibly leave it. Unfortunately for the evil CB they weren’t thick. They searched deeper..and VOILA!

Got the b*stard.

Make no mistake. HCW is playing a very clever tactic. Slowly, slowly catch the monkey

He has the evidence, and YES, I do guarantee he will be charged.

That officer isn’t a silly little plonker like Amaral...and he knows FAR more than he’s revealing. He’s not going to lay all his cards on the table. And....I also guarantee CB is sh*tting himself.


Agreed...keep up the good work
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 10:52:14 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:37:07 AM
You're not intimately involved with the operations Davel.  Neither am I but I do know BS when I hear it.


You’ve swallowed lots of Jeremy Bamber’s BS!

You never fail to disappoint in making me laugh, Holly

Keep it up. Good girl
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:49:22 AM

He didn’t WANT to get rid of the memory stick, though, did he.

He’s a paedophile. He wanted it. He’d have gone back to get it, so he could watch it all again. That’s what they do.

And where better to bury a memory stick than BENEATH your dead dog?! Even if the police found just bones and fur they’d know it was the grave of a dog and would possibly leave it. Unfortunately for the evil CB they weren’t thick. They searched deeper..and VOILA!

Got the b*stard.

Make no mistake. HCW is playing a very clever tactic. Slowly, slowly catch the monkey

He has the evidence, and YES, I do guarantee he will be charged.

That officer isn’t a silly little plonker like Amaral...and he knows FAR more than he’s revealing. He’s not going to lay all his cards on the table. And....I also guarantee CB is sh*tting himself.

If he wanted access to keep reviewing he wouldn't bury it under his dead dog. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:50:12 AM
If it's watertight why hasn't it been imposed?

Do the authorities have a vid recording of the rape?  No someone saying they saw it.

They obviously had enough to convict him.
He's challenging the legality of the original arrest warrant as regards the offence rather than the offence itself, I believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 29, 2020, 10:53:56 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:50:12 AM
If it's watertight why hasn't it been imposed?

Do the authorities have a vid recording of the rape?  No someone saying they saw it.
I don't think the actual offence is in question; it's more a technicality in regard to the jurisdiction of the extradition / warrant.
And although it was reported as news that he won't be released, that was always the case, as the warrant hasn't been withdrawn, ergo due process has not been discharged. So he sits and rots - which I think is fine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:52:14 AM

You’ve swallowed lots of Jeremy Bamber’s BS!

You never fail to disappoint in making me laugh, Holly

Keep it up. Good girl

This is the MM board ISpy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 29, 2020, 10:57:26 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:53:29 AM
If he wanted access to keep reviewing he wouldn't bury it under his dead dog.
He's a proponent of the Dark Web, allegedly. He'd have no problem caching images for later viewing if that were the case.
Having said that, preservation does seem to be the motive, although maybe not for ready access.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:59:47 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:50:12 AM
If it's watertight why hasn't it been imposed?

Do the authorities have a vid recording of the rape?  No someone saying they saw it.

It is watertight...hes been found guilty. There is a technicality question on the victims right to be tried as the offence wasnt listed on his original extradition warrant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:00:04 AM
Quote from: The General on June 29, 2020, 10:53:56 AM
I don't think the actual offence is in question; it's more a technicality in regard to the jurisdiction of the extradition / warrant.
And although it was reported as news that he won't be released, that was always the case, as the warrant hasn't been withdrawn, ergo due process has not been discharged. So he sits and rots - which I think is fine.

I thought it was reported the 'techicality' involved the hair?  On what basis can he be held indefinitely?  Once his short sentence for drug dealing expires its charge or bust.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 11:00:59 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:00:04 AM
I thought it was reported the 'techicality' involved the hair?  On what basis can he be held indefinitely?  Once his short sentence for drug dealing expires its charge or bust.

see my post above
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:01:56 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 10:59:47 AM
It is watertight...hes been found guilty. There is a technicality question on the victims right to be tried as the offence wasnt listed on his original extradition warrant

We'll see how watertight when/if the sentence is imposed. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 11:00:59 AM
see my post above

See my post below
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 29, 2020, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:00:04 AM
I thought it was reported the 'techicality' involved the hair?  On what basis can he be held indefinitely?  Once his short sentence for drug dealing expires its charge or bust.
It's being rushed through for this reason. They can't keep him indefinitely, although if his sentence expires, then the clock is ticking.
They'll get the piece if paper and he'll stay where he is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:00:04 AM
I thought it was reported the 'techicality' involved the hair?  On what basis can he be held indefinitely?  Once his short sentence for drug dealing expires its charge or bust.

No, the technicality is the applicability of the arrest warrant. Without parole, he has another 6 months to serve.
Plenty of time to bring some other charges by then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 11:04:59 AM
No, the technicality is the applicability of the arrest warrant. Without parole, he has another 6 months to serve.
Plenty of time to bring some other charges by then.

I don't understand why another country would want to pick up the tab for crimes committed in another jurisdiction whether it be the rape or the disappearance of MM? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:01:56 AM
We'll see how watertight when/if the sentence is imposed.

some of us already realise having read the details of the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 11:16:36 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:53:29 AM
If he wanted access to keep reviewing he wouldn't bury it under his dead dog.


Why do you think he buried it where he knew it’d be? Eh?

So could go back and get it whenever he wanted.

I doubt he watched vile paedo images every single day. My understanding is they’re constantly seeking new material, for extra sick warped thrills.

But he kept is safe didn’t he?!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 10:11:06 AM

But what you believe doesn’t matter

And you’re in no position to comment on their behalf, coming out with strange ideas that they have closure

What makes me any different to you lol - get over ISWMBI.

Yes, it does matter what I believe maybe not to you - but so what.

Why do you think you are in a position to say you know exactly what happened that night.

It's only your opinion same as everyone who posts on here the opinion of what happened

Surely you have the sense to know I do not believe the mccs version of events.

Till you know what happened as tough as it is you have to realise what I beliebve does matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:38:50 AM
ISpy/Davel above please?


I’ll look later as I’m busy, but if you have time now,  why don’t you look for a case that’s been as huge as Madeleine McCann’s?

That’s why THIS is huge.

Madeleine has been worldwide news for 13 years — what do you expect?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:21:54 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:14:07 AM
I don't understand why another country would want to pick up the tab for crimes committed in another jurisdiction whether it be the rape or the disappearance of MM?

Consider Julian Assange acussed of raping 1/2 Swedish women in Sweden?  The Swedes want him extradited to stand trial.  Likewise for the case of Gary Mckinnon who hacked into US military computers from his UK bedroom.  The US authorities wanted him extradited to stand trial in the US.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
You don't even have proof that a memory stick with incriminating material on has been found just what HCW is telling the media. 

You do realise law enforcement use the media to smoke out suspects?


And you’re accusing a chief police officer of lying?

Really?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 11:17:38 AM
What makes me any different to you lol - get over ISWMBI.

Yes, it does matter what I believe maybe not to you - but so what.

Why do you think you are in a position to say you know exactly what happened that night.

It's only your opinion same as everyone who posts on here the opinion of what happened

Surely you have the sense to know I do not believe the mccs version of events.

Till you know what happened as tough as it is you have to realise what I beliebve does matter.

i think mits important to note that the present police investihgtion does not focus on the parents. we will know soon what HCW means when he says he has evidence that Maddie is dead and their suspect killed her. I wonder how sceptics such as yourself will raect if this provides absolute proof the aprents were not involved...Amaral certainly seems to be in a panic as he may well find himself back in court with no defence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 11:20:00 AM

I’ll look later as I’m busy, but if you have time now,  why don’t you look for a case that’s been as huge as Madeleine McCann’s?

That’s why THIS is huge.

Madeleine has been worldwide news for 13 years — what do you expect?

I expect the rule of law to apply. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 11:23:41 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:14:07 AM
I don't understand why another country would want to pick up the tab for crimes committed in another jurisdiction whether it be the rape or the disappearance of MM?


I do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 29, 2020, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 11:16:36 AM

Why do you think he buried it where he knew it’d be? Eh?

So could go back and get it whenever he wanted.

I doubt he watched vile paedo images every single day. My understanding is they’re constantly seeking new material, for extra sick warped thrills.

But he kept is safe didn’t he?!
There's plenty of places in a Camper Van / Jag / Winnebago / Panel Van to secrete stuff. He was pretty itinerant, so it's more likely he buried it for access for someone else - these fckers like to share.
If he wanted to destroy it he could just throw them on the fire.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 11:25:36 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:14:07 AM
I don't understand why another country would want to pick up the tab for crimes committed in another jurisdiction whether it be the rape or the disappearance of MM?


I don't either, you'd think they would have enough home grown crime to deal with.
Perhaps that part of the jurisdiction claim - that Germany has no right to try him for a crime in another country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:27:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 11:22:57 AM
i think mits important to note that the present police investihgtion does not focus on the parents. we will know soon what HCW means when he says he has evidence that Maddie is dead and their suspect killed her. I wonder how sceptics such as yourself will raect if this provides absolute proof the aprents were not involved...Amaral certainly seems to be in a panic as he may well find himself back in court with no defence

If HCW has evidence CB murdered MM they would charge him not mess around with appeals asking about tel numbers and highly distinguishable vehicles. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 11:27:53 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 11:16:36 AM

Why do you think he buried it where he knew it’d be? Eh?

So could go back and get it whenever he wanted.

I doubt he watched vile paedo images every single day. My understanding is they’re constantly seeking new material, for extra sick warped thrills.

But he kept is safe didn’t he?!


So you're saying it was a dead guard dog then.  @)(++(*

My god whatever is your mentality keeping it safe under a rotting corpse of a dog.

Keep up the good work though as D has told you to do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:14:07 AM
I don't understand why another country would want to pick up the tab for crimes committed in another jurisdiction whether it be the rape or the disappearance of MM?

1. A memory stick containing images and videos of child pronograonhy was found on CB's property in Germany. Possession of such material is a crime and that particular crime was committed in Germany. Whatever happened to Madeliene elsewhere is another question but it is possible that whatever evidence they have in Germany can be linked to events in PT.
2. The Madeleine case is the proboaly the biggest missing persons case in the world and has involved input from jurisdictions globally. What cop would not want to be the one who solved the case - especially where a competent outfit like Scotland Yard, who have had a long run at the case, plenty funding, and considerable impetus in that they are searching for a British child, have failed.
3. British police were involved from day one despite the original crime or crimes beiing committed in Portugal.

Just a few things off the top of my head. There are many more reasons of course, and many cases dealt with overseas or internationally as a matter of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 11:23:41 AM

I do

You're not usually reticent in coming forward Davel? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:27:19 AM
If HCW has evidence CB murdered MM they would charge him not mess around with appeals asking about tel numbers and highly distinguishable vehicles.

I think prosecutors have openly admitted that they haven't enough to charge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:50:12 AM
If it's watertight why hasn't it been imposed?

Do the authorities have a vid recording of the rape?  No someone saying they saw it.

Actually, he was found guilty of the rape.

That’s why he’s in prison now...nor sure how many stretches he’s done.

And yes, they did see the video. The court were shown it.

He tied the 72-year-old widow up to a post. Chained her. Beat her. Terrified her as he wore a mask. He then raped her. Then after raping her he tore his mask off and grinned at her.

He kept the video on several phones it seems. On one phone he showed his “friend” as they sat drinking in a bar.

I suspect he also showed his friend a video of Maddie, because he whipped his phone up when a new item flashed up about Maddie in the bar, and started bragging to the man saying he knew what happened to her, then IMMEDIATELY rape came on his mind and he showed the friend him raping the woman.

I strongly suspect he showed him some of Maddie too. He was probably half drunk and forgot himself...because his friend went to the the police and sobbed him in. And THAT’S when they immediately started investigated about Maddie.

If you can’t see the dots all joining up you will do soon enough...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:29:19 AM
1. A memory stick containing images and videos of child pronograonhy was found on CB's property in Germany. Possession of such material is a crime and that particular crime was committed in Germany. Whatever happened to Madeliene elsewhere is another question but it is possible that whatever evidence they have in Germany can be linked to events in PT.
2. The Madeleine case is the proboaly the biggest missing persons case in the world and has involved input from jurisdictions globally. What cop would not want to be the one who solved the case - especially where a competent outfit like Scotland Yard, who have had a long run at the case, plenty funding, and considerable impetus in that they are searching for a British child, have failed.
3. British police were involved from day one despite the original crime or crimes beiing committed in Portugal.

Just a few things off the top of my head. There are many more reasons of course, and many cases dealt with overseas or internationally as a matter of course.

Portugal has always retained the lead over UK.

Authorisation would be required for any non-PJ investigator to interview witnesses, carry out digs, access VRN databases, telecoms companies etc.

PT has been notaable by its absence re CB.  Nothing on the PJ website and no official word.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 11:35:26 AM
Actually, he was found guilty of the rape.

That’s why he’s in prison now...nor sure how many stretches he’s done.

And yes, they did see the video. The court were shown it.

He tied the 72-year-old widow up to a post. Chained her. Beat her. Terrified her as he wore a mask. He then raped her. Then after raping her he tore his mask off and grinned at her.

He kept the video on several phones it seems. On one phone he showed his “friend” as they sat drinking in a bar.

I suspect he also showed his friend a video of Maddie, because he whipped his phone up when a new item flashed up about Maddie in the bar, and started bragging to the man saying he knew what happened to her, then IMMEDIATELY rape came on his mind and he showed the friend him raping the woman.

I strongly suspect he showed him some of Maddie too. He was probably half drunk and forgot himself...because his friend went to the the police and sobbed him in. And THAT’S when they immediately started investigated about Maddie.

If you can’t see the dots all joining up you will do soon enough...

The rape sentenced hasn't been imposed. He's currently serving time for some drug dealing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 29, 2020, 11:39:22 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 11:27:53 AM

So you're saying it was a dead guard dog then.  @)(++(*

My god whatever is your mentality keeping it safe under a rotting corpse of a dog.

Keep up the good work though as D has told you to do.


It was Christian B's mentality.  I don't know what you find funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
Portugal has always retained the lead over UK.

Authorisation would be required for any non-PJ investigator to interview witnesses, carry out digs, access VRN databases, telecoms companies etc.

PT has been notable by its absence re CB.  Nothing on the PJ website and no official word.

Yes, Protuguese authorisation for these things, and the time it takes, has been a major aspect of the MM case.

And of course PT has been noticable by its absence on CB. CB was on his criminal rampage in the Algarve for years and nobody did a bloody thing about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 29, 2020, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:39:25 AM
Yes, Protuguese authorisation for these things, and the time it takes, had been a major aspect of the MM case.

And of course PT has been noticable by its absence on CB. CB was on his criminal rampage in the Algarve for years and nobody did a thing about it.
Apart from apprehend him, arrest him, charge him and jail him. Then assist in extraditing him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
Portugal has always retained the lead over UK.

Authorisation would be required for any non-PJ investigator to interview witnesses, carry out digs, access VRN databases, telecoms companies etc.

PT has been notaable by its absence re CB.  Nothing on the PJ website and no official word.

Portugal seems to be dragging its heels and being unwilling to co operate...shame on them. i wonder why they didnt prosecute CB for the rape
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 29, 2020, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
Portugal seems to be dragging its heels and being unwilling to co operate...shame on them. i wonder why they didnt prosecute CB for the rape
That's what 98% of women who are sexually assaulted ask themselves Europe wide.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: The General on June 29, 2020, 11:41:01 AM
Apart from apprehend him, arrest him, charge him and jail him. Then assist in extraditing him.

After a very long time, yes.

If someone had joined the dots about break ins, stolen passports, drugs and the like he might have been apprehended before getting the chance to progress to more serious crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:39:25 AM
Yes, Protuguese authorisation for these things, and the time it takes, has been a major aspect of the MM case.

And of course PT has been noticable by its absence on CB. CB was on his criminal rampage in the Algarve for years and nobody did a bloody thing about it.

And yet the Global Peace Index has PT in top 3 for 2019 so you would think CB might stand out like a sore thumb if what we're being told by the media has any truth to it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 11:44:38 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:27:19 AM
If HCW has evidence CB murdered MM they would charge him not mess around with appeals asking about tel numbers and highly distinguishable vehicles.

Since when were you the expert on police procedure. First there is a difference between evidence and proof.

im involved with a case of fraud at the moment...the evidence is overwhelming...the CPS refused to prosecute....its gone back to them now for a second attempt. its not as easy as you might think
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 11:45:02 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 11:35:26 AM
Actually, he was found guilty of the rape.

That’s why he’s in prison now...nor sure how many stretches he’s done.

And yes, they did see the video. The court were shown it.

He tied the 72-year-old widow up to a post. Chained her. Beat her. Terrified her as he wore a mask. He then raped her. Then after raping her he tore his mask off and grinned at her.

He kept the video on several phones it seems. On one phone he showed his “friend” as they sat drinking in a bar.

I suspect he also showed his friend a video of Maddie, because he whipped his phone up when a new item flashed up about Maddie in the bar, and started bragging to the man saying he knew what happened to her, then IMMEDIATELY rape came on his mind and he showed the friend him raping the woman.

I strongly suspect he showed him some of Maddie too. He was probably half drunk and forgot himself...because his friend went to the the police and sobbed him in. And THAT’S when they immediately started investigated about Maddie.

If you can’t see the dots all joining up you will do soon enough...

Brueckner is serving time for drug offences.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:42:46 AM
And yet the Global Peace Index has PT in top 3 for 2019 so you would think CB might stand out like a sore thumb if what we're being told by the media has any truth to it.

According to Amaral this week there are lots of paedophiles around LUZ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:42:42 AM
After a very long time, yes.

If someone had joined the dots about break ins, stolen passports, drugs and the like he might have been apprehended before getting the chance to progress to more serious crimes.

PJ and MET have been at this for years along with the Mc's 4 private detective agencies and suddenly the Germans have solved it!  Only problem is there's no evidence to even charge let alone hold a trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:14:07 AM
I don't understand why another country would want to pick up the tab for crimes committed in another jurisdiction whether it be the rape or the disappearance of MM?


Maybe, Holly, there’s some decent people in this world. Such as HCW who doesn’t relish the prospect of having a twisted, evil paedophile breathing the same air as he and everyone else does in Germany.

Maybe he’s as horrified, disgusted and sickened by the putrid rapist/paeodo/torturer and wants shot if him to serve the rest of his life in a baking hot Portuguese cage where he belongs.

Maybe he feels compassion for the McCanns’ and wants them to lay their daughter to rest.

Maybe he has a heart.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: The General on June 29, 2020, 11:41:01 AM
Apart from apprehend him, arrest him, charge him and jail him. Then assist in extraditing him.

i would think he will be tried in germany if hes charged
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:48:16 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:42:46 AM
And yet the Global Peace Index has PT in top 3 for 2019 so you would think CB might stand out like a sore thumb if what we're being told by the media has any truth to it.

The point is that local police and the PJ and others routinely turned a blind eye to crimes in the area, as is well-known and much discussed on this forum, therefore these crimes would not feature in any statistic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:39:25 AM
Yes, Protuguese authorisation for these things, and the time it takes, has been a major aspect of the MM case.

And of course PT has been noticable by its absence on CB. CB was on his criminal rampage in the Algarve for years and nobody did a bloody thing about it.

Welcome back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 11:49:06 AM
Welcome back.

Thank you, Eleanor!

Sorry about my swift dissapearance. I had a lot going on at home.

It's nice to be back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:51:29 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
According to Amaral this week there are lots of paedophiles around LUZ...

Yes Dave Barclay said about 600 had been identified and elininated.

What's your definition of a paedophile?  As revolting as it is to you and me sadly it's a fact of life a significant number of men from all walks of life derive sexual gratification from looking at images of pre-pubescent youngsters. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 29, 2020, 11:52:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
According to Amaral this week there are lots of paedophiles around LUZ...
Not quite. Read it again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 11:17:38 AM
What makes me any different to you lol - get over ISWMBI.

Yes, it does matter what I believe maybe not to you - but so what.

Why do you think you are in a position to say you know exactly what happened that night.

It's only your opinion same as everyone who posts on here the opinion of what happened

Surely you have the sense to know I do not believe the mccs version of events.

Till you know what happened as tough as it is you have to realise what I beliebve does matter.


I’m afraid your sorely wrong

Why would anyone give a monkeys what you think?

There’s lots of you over on Twitter all easer to twist the knife in to the McCanns’, when you haven’t got a CLUE.

You just WANT to think they’re guilty for some reason. Do you resent the fact they’re both highly educated, doctors, middle class, fairly well-to-do, and Kate was often mentioned as being beautiful, which she is? Is it all that which irks you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 11:48:16 AM
The point is that local police and the PJ and others routinely turned a blind eye to crimes in the area, as is well-known and much discussed on this forum, therefore these crimes would not feature in any statistic.

But Portugal isn't South America or even Costa Del crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 11:55:34 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:21:54 AM
Consider Julian Assange acussed of raping 1/2 Swedish women in Sweden?  The Swedes want him extradited to stand trial.  Likewise for the case of Gary Mckinnon who hacked into US military computers from his UK bedroom.  The US authorities wanted him extradited to stand trial in the US.


You’re forgetting...the Portuguese police have been useless so far

It’s thanks to HCW that he’s taking control

He’s actually doing the work of the Portuguese!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:56:15 AM
Can we cool it please and just focus on the case. Thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 11:55:34 AM

You’re forgetting...the Portuguese police have been useless so far

It’s thanks to HCW that he’s taking control

He’s actually doing the work of the Portuguese!

Plenty of unsolved high profile cases in the UK and I'm sure Germany has its own too. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 12:01:09 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:46:59 AM
PJ and MET have been at this for years along with the Mc's 4 private detective agencies and suddenly the Germans have solved it!  Only problem is there's no evidence to even charge let alone hold a trial.

OG have said for a long time that the connection between housbreaking and predatory sexual behaviour was a main focus of interest  - a suggestion that was met with derision among almost everyone bar criminal experts, whose literature on the connection between petty and serious crime is extensive.  It seems that the Germans have picked up the thread and now it's really going somewhere.

Whether CB himself is the culprit remains to be proven but these things take time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 29, 2020, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:46:59 AM
PJ and MET have been at this for years along with the Mc's 4 private detective agencies and suddenly the Germans have solved it!  Only problem is there's no evidence to even charge let alone hold a trial.
But you managed to solve it in just FOUR WEEKS!  Have you been on the hotline to Herr Wolters to let him know he's on the wrong track?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on June 29, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:54:09 AM
But Portugal isn't South America or even Costa Del crime.

Not as far as we know, no.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:02:50 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 11:47:27 AM

Maybe, Holly, there’s some decent people in this world. Such as HCW who doesn’t relish the prospect of having a twisted, evil, murdering, paedophile breathing the same air as he and everyone else does in Germany.

Maybe he’s as horrified, disgusted and sickened by the putrid rapist/paeodo/torturer/murderer and wants shot if him to serve the rest of his life in a baking hot Portuguese cage where he belongs.

Maybe he feels compassion for the McCanns’ and wants them to lay their daughter to rest.

Maybe he has a heart.

Appreciate your sentiments but having a heart has nothing to do with legal process and protocols. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:05:16 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 29, 2020, 12:01:29 PM
But you managed to solve it in just FOUR WEEKS!  Have you been on the hotline to Herr Wolters to let him know he's on the wrong track?

It was a little more than 4 weeks.  Anyway I had the advantage of looking at it cold with fresh eyes after the groundwork had been completed  ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 12:07:32 PM
Quote from: The General on June 29, 2020, 11:23:53 AM
There's plenty of places in a Camper Van / Jag / Winnebago / Panel Van to secrete stuff. He was pretty itinerant, so it's more likely he buried it for access for someone else - these fckers like to share.
If he wanted to destroy it he could just throw them on the fire.

True.

And it’s obvious he wanted to keep it or he’d have destroyed it. He even had it wrapped watertight in a bag.

I don’t think he’d have hidden in his car/van...too close for comfort. Had he got stopped — and he was always going on the run — if the police had of seized his vehicle and stripped it down they’d have found it, I bet. It was too risky for him to hide it in his van.

And there’s definitely stuff on there far worse than even the awful grade 1? Paedo images. Men caught with the very worst paedophile images do go to prison, but they don’t get life. He was scared of what he had on that. But it excited him. He’s evil.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:07:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:05:16 PM
It was a little more than 4 weeks.  Anyway I had the advantage of looking at it cold with fresh eyes after the groundwork had been completed  ?>)()<

If anyone has been watching 'Murder In The Car Park' they will have learned about the Met working with The Sun in an attempt to smoke out witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 12:13:12 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 11:27:53 AM

So you're saying it was a dead guard dog then.  @)(++(*

My god whatever is your mentality keeping it safe under a rotting corpse of a dog.

Keep up the good work though as D has told you to do.

How can you laugh at such a vile topic?

You need to educate yourself, dear. You seem uninformed and you don’t put yourself in a good light.

The MS was hidden under his dead dog, btw, hope you understand that. I’ve said it simply
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 12:16:09 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
Portugal has always retained the lead over UK.

Authorisation would be required for any non-PJ investigator to interview witnesses, carry out digs, access VRN databases, telecoms companies etc.

PT has been notaable by its absence re CB.  Nothing on the PJ website and no official word.


The Portuguese can’t dig in Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:37:11 AM
The rape sentenced hasn't been imposed. He's currently serving time for some drug dealing.

It has been imposed

He was found guilty
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 12:17:18 PM
It has been imposed

He was found guilty

Wrong way round I believe.  He was found guilty but the sentence hasn't been imposed. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
Portugal seems to be dragging its heels and being unwilling to co operate...shame on them. i wonder why they didnt prosecute CB for the rape


Because they’re disgraceful, incompetent, sloppy and ignorant.

They also like to brush things under the carpet in case it affects their tourism, which is all they’ve got — besides Port.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:21:39 PM
Final warning...any further comments of a personal nature I will start editing/removing posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:30:00 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 12:20:48 PM

Because they’re disgraceful, incompetent, sloppy and ignorant.

They also like to brush things under the carpet in case it affects their tourism, which is all they’ve got — besides Port.

I think much of the criticism of PJ stems from stereotypical views held by many Europeans from the colder climes about their Southern European counterparts.

It's hardly under developed.  What % of GDP comes from tourism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 29, 2020, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Wrong way round I believe.  He was found guilty but the sentence hasn't been imposed.
Wrong again!...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 12:33:56 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 11:42:46 AM
And yet the Global Peace Index has PT in top 3 for 2019 so you would think CB might stand out like a sore thumb if what we're being told by the media has any truth to it.



There’s literally loads of links to hw Portugal has been a paedophiles paradise for years and years...I believe that’s why CB chose to live there in the first place.

Here’s just one link....read the last part, especially, where it says how lax the police are; how they ignore what’s happening; how even police themselves are involved....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 29, 2020, 12:32:02 PM
Wrong again!...

The sentence hasn't been imposed because of an ongoing appeal:

 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 29, 2020, 12:36:54 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 07:55:01 AM


I read through some official reports last night, that are all factual and unbiased

The man seen by Martin Smith and his family carrying a child and who resembled Gerry, later detracted it when told that so many witnesses had Gerry sat in the Tapas Bar at 10pm that night. It was also some distance from the complex; about a quarter of a mile, I believe — who would walk down busy streets (someone said it was like Piccadilly Circus) carrying a dead child in their arms?

I believe Martin Smith was telling the truth, but the man he saw was possibly a local or holidaymaker taking their sleeping daughter home or to their hotel. If the man wasn’t British he may have no idea Smith was referring to him; it didn’t make the news for months on end, and the man probably never even read about it.

Whatever, the police ruled that sighting out as being Gerry.

There’s is the remote possibility the man was another paedophile, but again, they’re not going to walk the streets with a child they’ve kidnapped. And they certainly wouldn’t want a dead child.

The Jane Tanner sighting, which the Portuguese police said she’d made up, turned out to be a holidaymaker taking his child back from night crèche. He came forward about a year later.

But as far as the Smith sighting is concerned — it defintely wasn’t Gerry

You need to read a little deeper. Martin Smith has never retracted his identification.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 12:33:56 PM


There’s literally loads of links to hw Portugal has been a paedophiles paradise for years and years...I believe that’s why CB chose to live there in the first place.

Here’s just one link....read the last part, especially, where it says how lax the police are; how they ignore what’s happening; how even police themselves are involved....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html

The UK can hardly criticise another country when it knighted one of its most notorious paedophiles. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 12:44:44 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 09:19:18 AM

I believe the mccs already have closure - as they have already said all this is disrupting there lives.

As for the rest of the post, we know all that - we read the same media reports as you.


Thought I’d come back to you again

Besides your comment claiming Kate and Gerry have closure, you also said all this is disrupting their lives: yet according to their spokesman he says they both welcome this new line if interest!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404521/Maddie-suspect-said-horrible-job-night-toddler-vanished.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 11:45:02 AM
Brueckner is serving time for drug offences.

Rape
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 12:48:45 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Wrong way round I believe.  He was found guilty but the sentence hasn't been imposed.

Oh, well he’s got that to look forward to in that case...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 12:51:31 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 12:33:56 PM


There’s literally loads of links to hw Portugal has been a paedophiles paradise for years and years...I believe that’s why CB chose to live there in the first place.

Here’s just one link....read the last part, especially, where it says how lax the police are; how they ignore what’s happening; how even police themselves are involved....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html

Good one.  I had almost forgotten about Casa Pia.  Most of them got away with it you know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
All the images are incriminating...just the possession of them...so he obviously thought they wouldnt be found.
I think it is possible that there are image/s that the German prosecutor is referring to, which may have both Madeleine and Brückner on the same image/s. Therefore, his conviction as to what happened to Madeleine. My heart goes out to her parents and siblings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 12:53:29 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 29, 2020, 12:36:54 PM
You need to read a little deeper. Martin Smith has never retracted his identification.


You’re right — I miswrote.

Martin Smith didn’t retract his statement: he accepted the fact that the man he saw couldn’t have been Gerry as Gerry was sat in the Tapas Bar between 9:15pm and 10:10pm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 01:01:35 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 12:53:29 PM

You’re right — I miswrote.

Martin Smith didn’t retract his statement: he accepted the fact that the man he saw couldn’t have been Gerry as Gerry was sat in the Tapas Bar between 9:15pm and 10:10pm

Cite ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
Rape

You have an unfortunate habit of insisting you're right when you're wrong. Please ensure that you support your claims with cites in future.

Christian Brueckner, 43, is currently serving a 15-month sentence in his home country of Germany for drug offences

Although he was convicted in December 2019, he appealed against his seven-year sentence and so it cannot be imposed until his appeal avenues are exhausted.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394781/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-remain-jail-despite-parole-possibility.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 01:04:28 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:30:00 PM
I think much of the criticism of PJ stems from stereotypical views held by many Europeans from the colder climes about their Southern European counterparts.

It's hardly under developed.  What % of GDP comes from tourism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Portugal


Portugal’s GDP mostly comes from tourism.

Not sure what the percentage is...but tourism is what they bank on
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 12:53:15 PM
I think it is possible that there are image/s that the German prosecutor is referring to, which may have both Madeleine and Brückner on the same image/s. Therefore, his conviction as to what happened to Madeleine. My heart goes out to her parents and siblings.

Only a short while ago you and Myster had pinned the crime on another German paedo.  Do you know the crime was sexually motivated? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 12:44:44 PM

Thought I’d come back to you again

Besides your comment claiming Kate and Gerry have closure, you also said all this is disrupting their lives: yet according to their spokesman he says they both welcome this new line if interest!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404521/Maddie-suspect-said-horrible-job-night-toddler-vanished.html

The mccs said there self its disrupting their life, not me. so won't bother reading your media report.

Your not getting a lot of things as right as what you think you are. you may impress D but seems no one else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 11:52:50 AM

I’m afraid your sorely wrong

Why would anyone give a monkeys what you think?

There’s lots of you over on Twitter all easer to twist the knife in to the McCanns’, when you haven’t got a CLUE.

You just WANT to think they’re guilty for some reason. Do you resent the fact they’re both highly educated, doctors, middle class, fairly well-to-do, and Kate was often mentioned as being beautiful, which she is? Is it all that which irks you?


Well, obviously you do give a monkeys or why else reply.

Middle-class well to do doctors so that iyo makes them innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 01:04:28 PM

Portugal’s GDP mostly comes from tourism.

Not sure what the percentage is...but tourism is what they bank on

http://knoema.com/atlas/Portugal/topics/Tourism/Travel-and-Tourism-Total-Contribution-to-GDP/Contribution-of-travel-and-tourism-to-GDP-percent-of-GDP
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 01:21:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
Portugal seems to be dragging its heels and being unwilling to co operate...shame on them. i wonder why they didnt prosecute CB for the rape


I wonder if the Portuguese aren’t afraid of something?

If the reports are true to the extent of the paedophilia that goes on out there, and amongst high classes and powerful people too, it could open up a big can of worms.

Christian B was well-known for his criminal acts out there, so why didn’t they sling him out? Did they just turn a blind eye to most if it? He certainly felt safe out there for some reason.

One horrifying thought crossed my mind, but I could be totally wrong....

The night before Maddie vanished Christian B told his then girlfriend he had “something horrible he had to do the next day that may change his life, and he’d have to disappear for a while”

Of course, this is hearsay, but if she’s telling the truth, could it be that CB was offered a big wad of money to abduct, rape and murder a child — and film it.

He was on the dark web

He hid that memory stick safely away just one month later

Who knows if he carried it out not just for his own evil pleasure but for someone else’s too?

It’s certainly a strange comment to make...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404521/Maddie-suspect-said-horrible-job-night-toddler-vanished.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 01:24:26 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 29, 2020, 12:36:54 PM
You need to read a little deeper. Martin Smith has never retracted his identification.
martin smith imo has never identified Gerry. he said based on the way the man held the child he was 60 to 80% sure it was Gerry. he may not have teracted taht statent...he may well feel it was a genuine opinion...he may well feel in retrospect however that it wasnt Gerry
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 01:25:19 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 12:53:29 PM

You’re right — I miswrote.

Martin Smith didn’t retract his statement: he accepted the fact that the man he saw couldn’t have been Gerry as Gerry was sat in the Tapas Bar between 9:15pm and 10:10pm

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9114.0

https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/959745836145135616

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 01:24:26 PM
martin smith imo has never identified Gerry. he said based on the way the man held the child he was 60 to 80% sure it was Gerry. he may not have teracted taht statent...he may well feel it was a genuine opinion...he may well feel in retrospect however that it wasnt Gerry

Think he's 100% certain it wasn't the named unnamed German.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:05:27 PM
Only a short while ago you and Myster had pinned the crime on another German paedo.  Do you know the crime was sexually motivated?
No, I don’t know. How about you? From what has transpired during the past four weeks, it seems likely that it was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 01:21:11 PM

I wonder if the Portuguese aren’t afraid of something?

If the reports are true to the extent of the paedophilia that goes on out there, and amongst high classes and powerful people too, it could open up a big can of worms.

Christian B was well-known for his criminal acts out there, so why didn’t they sling him out? Did they just turn a blind eye to most if it? He certainly felt safe out there for some reason.

One horrifying thought crossed my mind, but I could be totally wrong....

The night before Maddie vanished Christian B told his then girlfriend he had “something horrible he had to do the next day that may change his life, and he’d have to disappear for a while”

Of course, this is hearsay, but if she’s telling the truth, could it be that CB was offered a big wad of money to abduct, rape and murder a child — and film it.

He was on the dark web

He hid that memory stick safely away just one month later

Who knows if he carried it out not just for his own evil pleasure but for someone else’s too?

It’s certainly a strange comment to make...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404521/Maddie-suspect-said-horrible-job-night-toddler-vanished.html

In 2007 CB was known to the authorities for stealing petrol. Not exactly notorious, was he?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 01:21:11 PM

I wonder if the Portuguese aren’t afraid of something?

If the reports are true to the extent of the paedophilia that goes on out there, and amongst high classes and powerful people too, it could open up a big can of worms.

Christian B was well-known for his criminal acts out there, so why didn’t they sling him out? Did they just turn a blind eye to most if it? He certainly felt safe out there for some reason.

One horrifying thought crossed my mind, but I could be totally wrong....

The night before Maddie vanished Christian B told his then girlfriend he had “something horrible he had to do the next day that may change his life, and he’d have to disappear for a while”

Of course, this is hearsay, but if she’s telling the truth, could it be that CB was offered a big wad of money to abduct, rape and murder a child — and film it.

He was on the dark web

He hid that memory stick safely away just one month later

Who knows if he carried it out not just for his own evil pleasure but for someone else’s too?

It’s certainly a strange comment to make...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404521/Maddie-suspect-said-horrible-job-night-toddler-vanished.html



Of course, this is hearsay


Well, at least you got that right - well done.,.... 8@??)(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 01:24:26 PM
martin smith imo has never identified Gerry. he said based on the way the man held the child he was 60 to 80% sure it was Gerry. he may not have teracted taht statent...he may well feel it was a genuine opinion...he may well feel in retrospect however that it wasnt Gerry

Also his mannerisms;

In relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person. It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 01:26:48 PM
No, I don’t know. How about you? From what has transpired during the past four weeks, it seems likely that it was.

I'm completely open-minded about the motive.

What exactly has transpired during the last 4 weeks in terms of reliable evidence? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:27:18 PM
In 2007 CB was known to the authorities for stealing petrol. Not exactly notorious, was he?

Ive seen a report where at his trial in portugal he had to list his previous convictions for paedophilia...unfortunately it seems the normally highly competent portuguese forgot to record the crimes on his criminal record
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
Also his mannerisms;

In relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person. It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

I think its laughable to rely on mannerisms and the way he carried a child
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 01:38:04 PM
I think German police’s appeal to people who were in PdL on the evening of 3 May 2007 and who might recognise Brückner, to come forward so they can corroborate that he and his phone have been in the vicinity, not just his phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 01:38:23 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:33:34 PM
I'm completely open-minded about the motive.

What exactly has transpired during the last 4 weeks in terms of reliable evidence?

Nowt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 29, 2020, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
Also his mannerisms;

In relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person. It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Martin Smith's emphasis was always on the man, not the child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
Also his mannerisms;

In relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person. It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
Perhaps if a sleeping three-year-old was placed in Brückner’s arms, and Mr Smith sees footage thereof, he may recognise CB as such? Only my thinking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 01:38:04 PM
I think German police’s appeal to people who were in PdL on the evening of 3 May 2007 and who might recognise Brückner, to come forward so they can corroborate that he and his phone have been in the vicinity, not just his phone.

But why isn't it on PJ website?  And law enforcement websites of other countries whose citizens visit PDL?

Even if it could be proved CB and his phone were in PDL around the time MM went missing what would this prove? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 29, 2020, 01:47:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:33:34 PM
I'm completely open-minded about the motive.

What exactly has transpired during the last 4 weeks in terms of reliable evidence?
Errm... could it be a little something the lead BKA investigator said...

https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=531 (https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=531)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:53:52 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 29, 2020, 01:47:34 PM
Errm... could it be a little something the lead BKA investigator said...

https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=531 (https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=531)

And yet it contradicts with what the Mc's have to say on the matter:

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 29, 2020, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:53:52 PM
And yet it contradicts with what the Mc's have to say on the matter:

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html (http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html)
In case it has missed your attention, the McCanns are not leading the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:59:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 01:33:55 PM
Ive seen a report where at his trial in portugal he had to list his previous convictions for paedophilia...unfortunately it seems the normally highly competent portuguese forgot to record the crimes on his criminal record

Sound about as competent as the UK police then who overlooked the pasts of Huntley and Sutcliffe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 02:00:03 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
But why isn't it on PJ website?  And law enforcement websites of other countries whose citizens visit PDL?

Even if it could be proved CB and his phone were in PDL around the time MM went missing what would this prove?
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German police’s evidence, albeit circumstantial?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
But why isn't it on PJ website?  And law enforcement websites of other countries whose citizens visit PDL?

Even if it could be proved CB and his phone were in PDL around the time MM went missing what would this prove?

I suppose if it could be conclusively proved that it was Brueckner's phone, police could look to see where else it might have been around that time.

May have already done that, of course, but if phone is a burner, might be difficult to pin down.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 29, 2020, 01:56:33 PM
In case it has missed your attention, the McCanns are not leading the investigation.

No but as the parents of the missing child I would like to think they're in the loop.

Who exactly is in charge of the investigation? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:02:29 PM
I suppose if it could be conclusively proved that it was Brueckner's phone, police could look to see where else it might have been around that time.

May have already done that, of course, but if phone is a burner, might be difficult to pin down.

But I don't believe the type of phones available then, not even sure about today, can pinpoint a phone like GPS.  It can only provide an approx location based on radius of tel tower?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:08:54 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:04:50 PM
No but as the parents of the missing child I would like to think they're in the loop.

Who exactly is in charge of the investigation?

Which investigation ?
If you mean Brueckner, I would say  clearly the Germans with input from others as & when they need it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:12:04 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:08:03 PM
But I don't believe the type of phones available then, not even sure about today, can pinpoint a phone like GPS.  It can only provide an approx location based on radius of tel tower?

I would agree. He might have had an older, more primitive  phone even by 2007 standards.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:08:54 PM
Which investigation ?
If you mean Brueckner, I would say  clearly the Germans with input from others as & when they need it.

The investigation into the disappearance of MM?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:17:13 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:12:48 PM
The investigation into the disappearance of MM?

Who knows?  Technically an Anglo/Portuguese production , though ultimate responsibility seems vague.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:18:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:12:04 PM
I would agree. He might have had an older, more primitive  phone even by 2007 standards.

Maybe if you're in somewhere like London and have a smart phone turned on it might inadvertently connect to WiFi or contactless paypoints etc but what would it connect to in sleepy Luz in 2007?  Nah can't see it personally  ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
You have an unfortunate habit of insisting you're right when you're wrong. Please ensure that you support your claims with cites in future.

Christian Brueckner, 43, is currently serving a 15-month sentence in his home country of Germany for drug offences

Although he was convicted in December 2019, he appealed against his seven-year sentence and so it cannot be imposed until his appeal avenues are exhausted.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394781/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-remain-jail-despite-parole-possibility.html

But can they still keep him in jail?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 02:22:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:27:18 PM
In 2007 CB was known to the authorities for stealing petrol. Not exactly notorious, was he?


Tad more than that, Gunit

Christian Buerbeck has a total of SEVENTEEN convictions

His first two were against children when he was 17

Two rapes

Theft

Burglary

Drug smuggling

Paedophile sharing

Beating up women

Trying to strangle

Aggressive Behaviour

Deception

Fraud

A long, loooong list....

Take a Looksie




https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11785547/madeleine-murder-suspect-christian-convictions/

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:23:03 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:17:13 PM
Who knows?  Technically an Anglo/Portuguese production , though ultimate responsibility seems vague.

Vague being the operative word.  Now the Germans want to dominate like they did a few years back! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:18:17 PM
Maybe if you're in somewhere like London and have a smart phone turned on it might inadvertently connect to WiFi or contactless paypoints etc but what would it connect to in sleepy Luz in 2007?  Nah can't see it personally  ?>)()<


He had loads of phones.

He stole them all when he burgled.

He had some very expensive ones too, including a gold Rolex which his German landlord was shocked to see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 02:22:00 PM

Tad more than that, Gunit

Christian Buerbeck has a total of SEVENTEEN convictions

His first two were against children when he was 17

Two rapes

Theft

Burglary

Drug smuggling

Paedophile sharing

Beating up women

Trying to strangle

Aggressive Behaviour

Deception

Fraud

A long, loooong list....

Take a Looksie




https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11785547/madeleine-murder-suspect-christian-convictions/

I would prefer to take a looksie at official authentic court records. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:23:03 PM
Vague being the operative word.  Now the Germans want to dominate like they did a few years back!

I think the Germans have a different agenda - to nail Brueckner. Madeleine is only one strand of investigation as far as they are concerned
IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:28:03 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:18:17 PM
Maybe if you're in somewhere like London and have a smart phone turned on it might inadvertently connect to WiFi or contactless paypoints etc but what would it connect to in sleepy Luz in 2007?  Nah can't see it personally  ?>)()<

Unless some one is watching millions of people at one time then the phone as a tracker is useless, they can tell where you've been in a general area in the past, but to the exact position at any given time after the event I doubt that somehow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 02:20:43 PM
But can they still keep him in jail?

Pending the echr verdict which I seem to recall is expected to happen before the summer recess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:30:08 PM
Pending the echr verdict which I seem to recall is expected to happen before the summer recess.

Thank You.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:30:08 PM
Pending the echr verdict which I seem to recall is expected to happen before the summer recess.

I think it's the European court of justice... Not ECHR
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 02:35:11 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 01:10:34 PM


Well, obviously you do give a monkeys or why else reply.

Middle-class well to do doctors so that iyo makes them innocent.


The McCanns’ being middle-class have no effect on what I think.

Maybe you WANT them to be guilty because they’re something you aspire to if you’re not middle-class?

But class has nothing to do with murder. Murderers come from all walks of life.

The problem you have, and all the other McCann accusers, is that not one of you can say why they would kill Maddie; how they killed Maddie; how they managed to do it in less than 10 minutes; how they managed to hide her body...all without transport, time, need, desire or a motive.

You just say “Oh, I think Gerry is guilty because he smiled at someone” or “I think Kate is guilty because she went jogging “

Some people become frozen in tragedy and carry out routines to try and keep control, to stop them going mad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 01:33:55 PM
Ive seen a report where at his trial in portugal he had to list his previous convictions for paedophilia...unfortunately it seems the normally highly competent portuguese forgot to record the crimes on his criminal record


His first conviction was at 17 when he sexually assaulted a six-year-old girl.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 02:35:08 PM
I think it's the European court of justice... Not ECHR

Yeah my bad, but you got the gist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 01:32:55 PM


Of course, this is hearsay


Well, at least you got that right - well done.,.... 8@??)(


And everything YOU say is hearsay.

God, the irony

You claim the McCanns’ killed Maddie..and that isn’t even hearsay..,that’s inside YOUR head.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 02:39:32 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:25:06 PM
I would prefer to take a looksie at official authentic court records.


Seek them out then...Ive seen them
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:39:58 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 02:36:36 PM

His first conviction was at 17 when he sexually assaulted a six-year-old girl.

Which was in 1994,the second conviction was in 2011,doesn't seem like the career criminal he's painted out to be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:25:18 PM
I think the Germans have a different agenda - to nail Brueckner. Madeleine is only one strand of investigation as far as they are concerned
IMO


Yes, they suspect he killed another little girl who they named the German Maddie

He was near to where she vanished too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 02:42:05 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:26:52 PM
A bit like the expensive Cartier watches JB supposedly had which I seem to recall you refuted.


This is the MM forum, Holly  8**8:/:
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 02:39:32 PM

Seek them out then...Ive seen them

Are you able/willing to post them up here? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:42:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:39:58 PM
Which was in 1994,the second conviction was in 2011,doesn't seem like the career criminal he's painted out to be.

Indeed, and with a total of 17 convictions to date, he doesn't sound to be a very clever or successful one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 02:42:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:13:07 PM
I believe MM to be dead, sadly. I just can’t see the two dogs making so many false alerts. This latest development, in my opinion, could piece together how a body could then have been concealed (possibly in a freezer) and the Smith family sighting could, in my opinion, have been them witnessing someone moving a child’s body from 5A to someone nearby with a vehicle.

As SY say they believe Maddie could still be alive then they must not share your belief in the dog alerts.... And they would have the perfect understanding of the value of the alerts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 02:42:05 PM

This is the MM forum, Holly  8**8:/:

Yes you're right it is.  Whatever came over me.  I will take myself in hand straight away and remove my post. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:50:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:42:13 PM
Indeed, and with a total of 17 convictions to date, he doesn't sound to be a very clever or successful one.

So the rape of the woman happened in 2005, yet he was arrested and sentenced to another offence in 2011, why wasn't the 2005 offence brought to light then ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:56:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:50:52 PM
So the rape of the woman happened in 2005, yet he was arrested and sentenced to another offence in 2011, why wasn't the 2005 offence brought to light then ?


One can only assume that there was nothing to make him a suspect at that time.
I don't think we know the evidence against him when eventually convicted of rape.

Can't just have been a bit of DNA, as he could have claimed consensual rough sex.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 03:00:01 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:56:21 PM

One can only assume that there was nothing to make him a suspect at that time.
I don't think we know the evidence against him when eventually convicted of rape.

DNA supposedly got him, didn't they take any when he was first jailed ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:00:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:50:52 PM
So the rape of the woman happened in 2005, yet he was arrested and sentenced to another offence in 2011, why wasn't the 2005 offence brought to light then ?

As I understand it a friend claimed he videoed the rape and shared it during a 10th anniversary prog on German TV re MM when it's also claimed CB alluded to knowing what happened to MM.

If the rape also involved torture how come he only received a sentence of 7 years? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:07:35 PM
Because of the German statutory maximum sentences, the harshest punishment possible for rape is imprisonment for a period of 15 years.

Why would the rape of a 72 yoa woman that involved torture result in a 7 year sentence? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 03:09:54 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:00:11 PM
As I understand it a friend claimed he videoed the rape and shared it during a 10th anniversary prog on German TV re MM when it's also claimed CB alluded to knowing what happened to MM.

If the rape also involved torture how come he only received a sentence of 7 years?

According to Spiegel it was DNA that trapped him.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 03:09:54 PM
According to Spiegel it was DNA that trapped him.

I think the 'confession' got the ball rolling. 

In the UK DNA evidence alone isn't enough for a conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:13:22 PM
I think the 'confession' got the ball rolling. 

In the UK DNA evidence alone isn't enough for a conviction.

Sure?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
Sure?

Yes 100%. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:16:54 PM
Yes 100%.

What was Castree convicted on then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:27:24 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 03:17:55 PM
What was Castree convicted on then?

I assume the prosecution must have had other evidence besides the DNA.

I learned DNA as a stand alone is not enough for a conviction from two forensic scientists. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:27:24 PM
I assume the prosecution must have had other evidence besides the DNA.

I learned DNA as a stand alone is not enough for a conviction from two forensic scientists.

Best get back on topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 03:38:46 PM

Just watched that video.

I don't know if he abducted and murdered Madeleine, but he is one sick puppy and needs locking up for the rest of his life.

This disease isn't curable so he will always be a danger.  Perhaps that is what The Germans are trying to do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:40:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 03:32:56 PM
Best get back on topic.

Well its kind of relevant.  One of the forensic scientists is Dave Barclay who related it to this case.  I will try and find it later.  The other forensic scientist is Dr John Bond who at the time was lecturing forensic science students.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 03:41:16 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:27:24 PM
I assume the prosecution must have had other evidence besides the DNA.

I learned DNA as a stand alone is not enough for a conviction from two forensic scientists.


You dont need a forensic scientist to tell you that...its quite obvious.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 02:38:36 PM

And everything YOU say is hearsay.

God, the irony

You claim the McCanns’ killed Maddie..and that isn’t even hearsay..,that’s inside YOUR head.


You are wrong again - You show me anywhere that I have claimed the mccs killed Maddie.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 04:13:40 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 04:02:54 PM

You are wrong again - You show me anywhere that I have claimed the mccs killed Maddie.

have you ever claimed she was given a sedative that caused her death...that would be killing her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 04:13:40 PM
have you ever claimed she was given a sedative that caused her death...that would be killing her

No another one who is wrong again - otherwise you try showing where I did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 29, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 29, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
Also his mannerisms;

In relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person. It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

An off topic irrelevance.  It is the evidence that counts.  Based on that evidence the Judicial Police have decreed that at the time of the Smith sighting Jerry McCann was seated at the table in the tapas restaurant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 04:19:49 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 04:15:26 PM
No another one who is wrong again - otherwise you try showing where I did.

You need to understand the difference between a question and a statement.. read the post again...its you whos wrong but I forgive you. Amaral has suggested sedation causing an accident which would be homicide
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 09:56:02 AM
We're nearly 4 weeks on from the announcement and despite all the media furore still no charges!

Can anyone recall a case where so much has been made of a suspect, yes a SUSPECT, who hasn't even been charged let alone found guilty in a court of law!

Shall we do away with courts and judicial process and have trail by media and mob rule instead?
You mean like the good old days of 2007 when the McCanns were the suspects?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 04:41:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 04:19:49 PM
You need to understand the difference between a question and a statement.. read the post again...its you whos wrong but I forgive you. Amaral has suggested sedation causing an accident which would be homicide

but I forgive you.

Oh cheers D

Amaral has suggested sedation causing an accident which would be homicide

OMG -  do you think he could be right D


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 10:34:24 AM
They wouldn't find a dead dog just bones!  How would anyone know if they buried a memory stick under a dog it wouldn't be easily identifiable between small bones?

If you wanted to get rid of a small item you would burn it or drop it into something corrosive.
Not if you wanted to retrieve it for later use.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 04:51:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:05:16 PM
It was a little more than 4 weeks.  Anyway I had the advantage of looking at it cold with fresh eyes after the groundwork had been completed  ?>)()<
And the Germans didn’t?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 12:40:58 PM
The UK can hardly criticise another country when it knighted one of its most notorious paedophiles.
What an utterly absurd statement, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 04:41:30 PM
but I forgive you.

Oh cheers D

Amaral has suggested sedation causing an accident which would be homicide

OMG -  do you think he could be right D

No I think hes daft...to suggest rolling off the sofa and dying after  a couple of spoons of calpol...hed have to be.

if Maddie banged her head it would take quite  a few hours for her to die......thats a fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:42:13 PM
Indeed, and with a total of 17 convictions to date, he doesn't sound to be a very clever or successful one.
But certainly a very persistent one, who may have gotten away with murder - so far.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 29, 2020, 05:06:11 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
Rape

Drugs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 05:28:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:28:03 PM
Unless some one is watching millions of people at one time then the phone as a tracker is useless, they can tell where you've been in a general area in the past, but to the exact position at any given time after the event I doubt that somehow.


They most certainly can!

I’ve sometimes checked my own, and it shows exactly where I’ve been, what time I’ve arrrived and what time I’ve left. It also shows the exact route I take
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 05:33:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 02:39:58 PM
Which was in 1994,the second conviction was in 2011,doesn't seem like the career criminal he's painted out to be.


He STARTED (or rather, first got caught) at 17. And then continued thereafter.

He’s a career criminal besides being a paedophile and serial rapist.

The police suspect he’s killed several children and women.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 05:36:32 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 02:44:05 PM
Yes you're right it is.  Whatever came over me.  I will take myself in hand straight away and remove my post.


Don’t forget to send yourself a Warning! ^*&&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:00:11 PM
As I understand it a friend claimed he videoed the rape and shared it during a 10th anniversary prog on German TV re MM when it's also claimed CB alluded to knowing what happened to MM.

If the rape also involved torture how come he only received a sentence of 7 years?


Portugal is lax....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 05:40:35 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 03:07:35 PM
Because of the German statutory maximum sentences, the harshest punishment possible for rape is imprisonment for a period of 15 years.

Why would the rape of a 72 yoa woman that involved torture result in a 7 year sentence?


Maybe like the UK they only serve one third/half of their sentence with good behaviour...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 05:43:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 29, 2020, 04:02:54 PM

You are wrong again - You show me anywhere that I have claimed the mccs killed Maddie.

You INFER it by saying she wasn’t abducted and she didn’t leave the apartment by herself...

So what does that leave, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 06:49:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 04:56:19 PM
No I think hes daft...to suggest rolling off the sofa and dying after  a couple of spoons of calpol...hed have to be.

if Maddie banged her head it would take quite  a few hours for her to die......thats a fact

I’m amazed at how some people such as Kizzy are so arrogant to think they KNOW everything, when it’s clear they don’t at all. It’s like they just enjoy slating the McCanns’ for their own personal issues they have.

Amaral wasn’t a doctor, he was a policeman (a lousy one) and if he thinks Calpol can kill it shows hs stupidly and ignorance.

I know the McCanns’ took with them Calpol, which all responsible parents do in case it’s needed, and they also took Phenergan which is an antihistamine used for things such as itching, allergies, sickness etc.

About three months after Maddie was taken, Kate had forensics test hair samples of both the twins’ to test them for drugs. Those tests proved that neither twin had taken ANY drugs in the last six months. So why would Kate or Gerry give medication to Maddie and not the twins? Maddie wasn’t unwell, she was as bright as a button, so there would have been absolutely NO need to.

But let’s just suppose they HAD given Maddie a teaspoon of either drug, for whatever reason, and she suddenly stopped breathing. I know it didn’t happen, but just let’s suppose it did.

Gerry was a consultant cardiologist and Kate, prior to being a GP was an anaesthetist working in an IC Unit.

Does anyone seriously think they wouldn’t have immediately called an ambulance while giving Maddie heart massage and breathing down her mouth? They wouldn’t have been thinking “What will the police say?!” They’d have been focussed on getting Maddie breathing again, and once an ambulance arrived they’d tell them what had happened. Anyone can suffer an allergic reaction — that doesn’t make it murder!

Or let’s suppose when they left for the Tapas Bar at 8:30pm and they checked on all the children — who’d all been in bed asleep by 7PM — then for some inexplicable reason Maddie stopped breathing in that short time frame of half an hour before Gerry went back to check, the FIRST thing he’d have done was start heart massage & breathing, and would call an ambulance. And when that ambulance came he’d say “She’s just stopped breathing!”

And likewise with Kate when she went in to check.

And had Maddie somehow fallen on the floor and fractured her skull, again, they’d have said “She must have slipped out of bed and banged her head!”

The police wouldn’t have charged them with murder! They’d KNOW it was an accident.

And if people say “Ah, but they were at the Tapas Bar and only looked in their bedroom every half hour”, had they both stayed in that night sitting on the balcony or in the lounge, would they have peeped into the children’s bedroom every half hour? Who does that at home?

Had Maddie slipped and banged her head while half asleep, or suddenly stopped breathing in bed, they wouldn’t have discovered until the morning when they woke up.


So whichever angle you look at it, HAD Maddie slipped and banged her head, or stopped breathing, they not only had NO reason at all to hide her body and make up a wild fabricated story that she’d been taken, they’d either have done everything in their power to resuscitate her and called an ambulance, and if they knew it was too late it would have been put down to a tragic accident.

You know, accidents do happen, tragically.

And as for the really weird ones who say they WANTED to kill her, they could have taken her out swimming in the sea and drowned her.

The whole fabrication is utterly insane and vile in my opinion.

That poor couple have to live the rest of their lives without Maddie, and that pain will never go away. How must they feel if they read strangers — busybodies — discussing them, calling them terrible names, accusing them of all sorts of atrocities when they’re already loaded down with never-ending grief!

It’s shameful and disgusting. And how infuriating too, to have jumped-up nobodies prying into their private affairs, making cruel accusations, and coming out with vile, aggressive swipes when they’re usually (and I know who I’m referring to) uneducated dullards who seem to get delight in taunting them.

It’s utterly putrid!

And then! You get others who say they’d happily sit and have a drink with the evil convicted rapist/paedophile...my God, there’s some truly sick people on this planet.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 29, 2020, 07:08:18 PM
Does anyone know where the mobile phone mast alleged to belong to the Ocean Club was located, as mentioned in the current documentary?...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/)

Was it a different one to these two (green and blue) Luz Parish towers...


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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 07:10:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 29, 2020, 07:08:18 PM
Does anyone know where the mobile phone mast alleged to belong to the Ocean Club was located, as mentioned in the current documentary?...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/)

Was it a different one to these two (green and blue) Luz Parish towers...
Interesting...
“Mr Wolters said: "We know that the phone number which was used by our suspect on May 3, 2007, was connecting to the mast which belongs to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz."

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 05:28:43 PM

They most certainly can!

I’ve sometimes checked my own, and it shows exactly where I’ve been, what time ive arrrived and what time I’ve left. It also shows the exact route I take

I don't need a phone to know what I'm doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 05:33:48 PM

He STARTED (or rather, first fit caught) at 17. And then continued thereafter.

He’s a career criminal besides being a paedophile and serial rapist.

The police suspect he’s killed several children and women.

His first conviction was in 1994 his second in 2011, there's nowt in between.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 29, 2020, 07:08:18 PM
Does anyone know where the mobile phone mast alleged to belong to the Ocean Club was located, as mentioned in the current documentary?...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/)

Was it a different one to these two (green and blue) Luz Parish towers...


Heriberto is the man that knows...you could message him

Off hand

Optimus is on top of the water tower and rhere are two more  on top of 2 Rua Primeiro de Malo

but check with Heriberto
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 07:23:40 PM
His first conviction was in 1994 his second in 2011, there's nowt in between.
He committed a brutal rape in 2005, god knows what else he did that he has never been convicted for during those intervening years. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 06:49:26 PM
I’m amazed at how some people such as Kizzy are so arrogant to think they KNOW everything, when it’s clear they don’t at all. It’s like they just  enjoy slating the McCanns’ for their own personal issues they have.

Amaral wasn’t a doctor, he was a policeman (a lousy one) and if the thinks Calpol can kill it shows hs stupidly and ignorance.

I know the McCanns’ took with them Calpol, which all responsible parents do in case it’s needed, and they also took Phenergan which is an antihistamine used for things such as itching, allergies, sickness etc.

About three months after Maddie’s was taken, Kate had forensics test hair samples of both the twins’ to test them for drugs. Those tests proved that neither twin had taken ANY drugs in the last six months. So why would Kate or Gerry give medication to Maddie and not the twins? Maddie wasn’t unwell, she was as bright as a button, so there would have been absolutely NO need to.

But let’s just suppose they HAD given Maddie a teaspoon of either drug, for whatever reason, and she suddenly stopped breathing. I know it didn’t happen, but just let’s suppose it did.

Gerry was a consultant cardiologist and Kate, prior to being a GP was an anaesthetist working in an IC Unit.

Does anyone seriously think they wouldn’t have immediately called an ambulance while giving Maddie heart massage and breathing down her mouth? They wouldn’t have been thinking “What will the police say?!” They’d have been focussed on getting Maddie breathing again, and once an ambulance arrived they’d tell them what had happened. Anyone can suffer an allergic reaction — that doesn’t make it murder!

Or let’s suppose when they left for the Tapas Bar at 8:30pm and they checked on all the children — who’d all been in bed asleep by 7PM — then for some inexplicable reason Maddie stopped breathing in that short time frame of half an hour before Gerry went back to check, the FIRST thing he’d have done was start heart massage & breathing, and would call an ambulance. And when that ambulance came he’d say “She’s just stopped breathing!”

And likewise with Kate when she went in to check.

And had Maddie somehow fallen on the floor and fractured her skull, again, they’d have said “She must have slipped out of bed and banged her head!”

The police wouldn’t have charged them with murder! They’d KNOW it was an accident.

And if people say “Ah, but they were at the Tapas Bar and only looked in their bedroom every half hour”, had they both stayed in that night sitting on the balcony or in the lounge, would they have peeped into the children’s bedroom every half hour? Who does that at home?

Had Maddie slipped and banged her head while half asleep, or suddenly stopped breathing in bed, they wouldn’t have discovered until the morning when they woke up.


So whichever angle you look at it, HAD Maddie slipped and banged her head, or stopped breathing, they not only had NO reason at all to hide her body and make up a wild fabricated story that she’d been taken, they’d either have done everything in their power to resuscitate her and called an ambulance, and if they knew it was too late it would have been put down to a tragic accident.

You know, accidents do happen, tragically.

And as for the really weird ones who say they WANTED to kill her, they could have taken her out swimming in the sea and drowned her.

The whole fabrication is utterly insane and vile in my opinion.

That poor couple have to live the rest of their lives without Maddie, and that pain will never go away. How must they feel if they read strangers — busybodies — discussing them, calling them terrible names, accusing them of all sorts of atrocities when they’re already loaded down with never-ending grief!

It’s shameful and disgusting. And how infuriating too, to have jumped-up nobodies prying into their private affairs, making cruel accusations, and coming out with vile, aggressive swipes when they’re usually (and I know who I’m referring to) uneducated dullards who seem to get delight in taunting them.

It’s utterly putrid!

And then! You get others who say they’d happily sit and have a drink with the evil convicted rapist/paedophile...my God, there’s some truly sick people on this planet.

As I've pointed out to you previously, afai understand, those who believe the Mc's were responsible believe they administered MM some sort of sedative to ensure a carefree night at tapas.  The result being either accidentally over sedating MM or causing her to feel drowsy both of which resulted in tragic consequences.  Then fearing what a pm would reveal and the potential consequences ie criminal charges, struck off GMC and losing twins they covered up and disposed of the body.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 02:35:11 PM

The McCanns’ being middle-class have no effect on what I think.

Maybe you WANT them to be guilty because they’re something you aspire to if you’re not middle-class?

But class has nothing to do with murder. Murderers come from all walks of life.

The problem you have, and all the other McCann accusers, is that not one of you can say why they would kill Maddie; how they killed Maddie; how they managed to do it in less than 10 minutes; how they managed to hide her body...all without transport, time, need, desire or a motive.

You just say “Oh, I think Gerry is guilty because he smiled at someone” or “I think Kate is guilty because she went jogging “

Some people become frozen in tragedy and carry out routines to try and keep control, to stop them going mad.

Madeleine was last seen by an independent witness at 5:30 on 3 May 2007. If death happened it could be anytime. 10 minutes is BS!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 05:36:32 PM

Don’t forget to send yourself a Warning! ^*&&

I'll stick to taking myself in hand  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:49:45 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 05:37:25 PM

Portugal is lax....

But it isn't Portugal who handed down the sentence.  It's a sentence handed down by the Germans that's yet to be imposed and is the subject of an appeal assuming media reports are correct. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 29, 2020, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 07:24:18 PM

Heriberto is the man that knows...you could message him

Off hand

Optimus is on top of the water tower and rhere are two more  on top of 2 Rua Primeiro de Malo

but check with Heriberto
Thank you.  Those three you mentioned are located quite a distance from Ocean Club.  Odd that Hans Wolters should say that the mast belonged solely? to an organisation which occupies a lesser part of Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:54:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
Not if you wanted to retrieve it for later use.

If he wanted to retrieve it for later use then why not find a t little hidey-hole for a tiny object?  Why keep digging up a dog and in the process attract smells for vultures, rodents, insects etc which might draw attention. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 07:57:16 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 06:49:26 PM
I’m amazed at how some people such as Kizzy are so arrogant to think they KNOW everything, when it’s clear they don’t at all. It’s like they just  enjoy slating the McCanns’ for their own personal issues they have.

Amaral wasn’t a doctor, he was a policeman (a lousy one) and if the thinks Calpol can kill it shows hs stupidly and ignorance.

I know the McCanns’ took with them Calpol, which all responsible parents do in case it’s needed, and they also took Phenergan which is an antihistamine used for things such as itching, allergies, sickness etc.

About three months after Maddie’s was taken, Kate had forensics test hair samples of both the twins’ to test them for drugs. Those tests proved that neither twin had taken ANY drugs in the last six months. So why would Kate or Gerry give medication to Maddie and not the twins? Maddie wasn’t unwell, she was as bright as a button, so there would have been absolutely NO need to.

But let’s just suppose they HAD given Maddie a teaspoon of either drug, for whatever reason, and she suddenly stopped breathing. I know it didn’t happen, but just let’s suppose it did.

Gerry was a consultant cardiologist and Kate, prior to being a GP was an anaesthetist working in an IC Unit.

Does anyone seriously think they wouldn’t have immediately called an ambulance while giving Maddie heart massage and breathing down her mouth? They wouldn’t have been thinking “What will the police say?!” They’d have been focussed on getting Maddie breathing again, and once an ambulance arrived they’d tell them what had happened. Anyone can suffer an allergic reaction — that doesn’t make it murder!

Or let’s suppose when they left for the Tapas Bar at 8:30pm and they checked on all the children — who’d all been in bed asleep by 7PM — then for some inexplicable reason Maddie stopped breathing in that short time frame of half an hour before Gerry went back to check, the FIRST thing he’d have done was start heart massage & breathing, and would call an ambulance. And when that ambulance came he’d say “She’s just stopped breathing!”

And likewise with Kate when she went in to check.

And had Maddie somehow fallen on the floor and fractured her skull, again, they’d have said “She must have slipped out of bed and banged her head!”

The police wouldn’t have charged them with murder! They’d KNOW it was an accident.

And if people say “Ah, but they were at the Tapas Bar and only looked in their bedroom every half hour”, had they both stayed in that night sitting on the balcony or in the lounge, would they have peeped into the children’s bedroom every half hour? Who does that at home?

Had Maddie slipped and banged her head while half asleep, or suddenly stopped breathing in bed, they wouldn’t have discovered until the morning when they woke up.


So whichever angle you look at it, HAD Maddie slipped and banged her head, or stopped breathing, they not only had NO reason at all to hide her body and make up a wild fabricated story that she’d been taken, they’d either have done everything in their power to resuscitate her and called an ambulance, and if they knew it was too late it would have been put down to a tragic accident.

You know, accidents do happen, tragically.

And as for the really weird ones who say they WANTED to kill her, they could have taken her out swimming in the sea and drowned her.

The whole fabrication is utterly insane and vile in my opinion.

That poor couple have to live the rest of their lives without Maddie, and that pain will never go away. How must they feel if they read strangers — busybodies — discussing them, calling them terrible names, accusing them of all sorts of atrocities when they’re already loaded down with never-ending grief!

It’s shameful and disgusting. And how infuriating too, to have jumped-up nobodies prying into their private affairs, making cruel accusations, and coming out with vile, aggressive swipes when they’re usually (and I know who I’m referring to) uneducated dullards who seem to get delight in taunting them.

It’s utterly putrid!

And then! You get others who say they’d happily sit and have a drink with the evil convicted rapist/paedophile...my God, there’s some truly sick people on this planet.

I think you’ll find you’re wrong about the drug tests on the hair after that length of time has elapsed and the presence of fenergan.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 04:51:34 PM
And the Germans didn’t?

I doubt it unless they worked pro bono. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 07:57:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 07:10:59 PM
Interesting...
“Mr Wolters said: "We know that the phone number which was used by our suspect on May 3, 2007, was connecting to the mast which belongs to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz."

Yes, Christian Brueckner made ANOTHER shorter phone call after the first one, and that pinged off the Ocean Clubs mast.

And some people suggest he wasn’t in the area?!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 08:01:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:56:21 PM

One can only assume that there was nothing to make him a suspect at that time.
I don't think we know the evidence against him when eventually convicted of rape.

Can't just have been a bit of DNA, as he could have claimed consensual rough sex.
He filmed the ordeal with loads of incriminating evidence. Best you familiarize yourself with the facts. But then again, as you said, ‘life is too short to read everything’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:01:42 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 07:20:44 PM
I don't need a phone to know what I'm doing.

I do — I have to keep an eye on myself
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:01:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 04:53:38 PM
What an utterly absurd statement, IMO.

What's absurd about it?  I would say more 'pot calling the kettle black'.

The UK has many problems with policing, unsolved crime and child sex abuse.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-53221981
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2020, 07:23:40 PM
His first conviction was in 1994 his second in 2011, there's nowt in between.


Phttttt...because he wasn’t caught
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:04:55 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:54:16 PM
If he wanted to retrieve it for later use then why not find a t little hidey-hole for a tiny object?  Why keep digging up a dog and in the process attract smells for vultures, rodents, insects etc which might draw attention.
Who mentioned “keep digging up”?  Whose attention is going to be attracted by “vultures, rodents and insects” anyway?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:05:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:57:35 PM
I doubt it unless they worked pro bono.
Eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:06:00 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 02:56:21 PM

One can only assume that there was nothing to make him a suspect at that time.
I don't think we know the evidence against him when eventually convicted of rape.

Can't just have been a bit of DNA, as he could have claimed consensual rough sex.

We haven't even seen any official authentic docs re the rape.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:05:34 PM
Eh?

Why are the German authorities going to spend hours familiarising themselves with the intracies of the MM case? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:01:59 PM
What's absurd about it?  I would say more 'pot calling the kettle black'.

The UK has many problems with policing, unsolved crime and child sex abuse.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-53221981
It’s absurd because “The Daily Mail” is not a country and therefore it is perfectly at liberty (as we have a free press) to report on thr problem of paedophilia in other countries and it is absurd to suggest that because Jimmy Savile was made a sir it disallows the British press from making any observations about paedophilia in a country in which a British little girl went missing.  That’s why IMO what you wrote was utterly absurd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 08:01:14 PM
He filmed the ordeal with loads of incriminating evidence. Best you familiarize yourself with the facts. But then again, as you said, ‘life is too short to read everything’.

Have you see the vid?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 08:09:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 04:56:19 PM
No I think hes daft...to suggest rolling off the sofa and dying after  a couple of spoons of calpol...hed have to be.

if Maddie banged her head it would take quite  a few hours for her to die......thats a fact

That’s not a fact - it’s rubbish. If someone falls, becomes unconscious and is unable to maintain their own airway then cardiac arrest would follow  about four to five minutes of apnoea as the victim became hypoxic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
As I've pointed out to you previously, afai understand, those who believe the Mc's were responsible believe they administered MM some sort of sedative to ensure a carefree night at tapas.  The result being either accidentally over sedating MM or causing her to feel drowsy both of which resulted in tragic consequences.  Then fearing what a pm would reveal and the potential consequences ie criminal charges, struck off GMC and losing twins they covered up and disposed of the body.


No, those people “think” or even “hope” that’s what happened.

But it didn’t.

I’ve already explained the logic behind WHY it couldn’t have

I’ve said that the twins had no drugs in their system for six months

I’ve said that HAD they given Maddie something to help her sleep, they would NOT have given her an overdose! They’re DOCTORS FGS.

And on top of that, how would they have been able to hide her body? It was teaming with people everywhere.

And do you SERIOUSLY think they’d just DUMP her somewhere like a bit of a rag?!

It’s utterly mad to even consider it!

Had an accident happened they’d have said! They could have even said Maddie must have drunk some without them knowing! But it didn’t happen. It’s too ludicrous to even consider.

Madeleine was TAKEN, by Christian Buereck. And he will be charged soon — just you wait and see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 07:24:18 PM

Heriberto is the man that knows...you could message him

Off hand

Optimus is on top of the water tower and rhere are two more  on top of 2 Rua Primeiro de Malo

but check with Heriberto
I agree, Davel. Heri holds a PhD in criminology and has unearthed the phone records and suggesting a burglary, which now may be realised. But, the burglary was intended to take a small girl. Hence, CB words on 2 May 2007 to his ex-girlfriend, ‘I have a horrible job to do in PdL tomorrow, and it will change my life. You will not see me in the coming weeks’.(my free version).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Why are the German authorities going to spend hours familiarising themselves with the intracies of the MM case?
Why is a flirty floozy like you going to do it?  Why shouldn’t they?  In case you hadn’t noticed they seem to be investigating her disappearance, based on “concrete evidence” they have uncovered concerning her apparent death.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:14:16 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
Madeleine was last seen by an independent witness at 5:30 on 3 May 2007. If death happened it could be anytime. 10 minutes is BS!


That’s a ridiculous thing to say.

So all the people milling around in their apartments didn’t heard a child screaming, or movement, or see Kate or Gerry running down the road holding her limp body?!

BS.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:16:18 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:45:41 PM
I'll stick to taking myself in hand  8(0(*

Good

Keep it up too  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:06:00 PM
We haven't even seen any official authentic docs re the rape.
Why would you expect to see any?  Have you seen any official court documents regarding the trial of Rosemary West or must we give her the benefit of the doubt because we haven’t seen the relevant documents with our own eyes?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:49:45 PM
But it isn't Portugal who handed down the sentence.  It's a sentence handed down by the Germans that's yet to be imposed and is the subject of an appeal assuming media reports are correct.

Well, I don’t know how international law works...maybe it’s something to do with the EU

I’ve no idea
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 08:10:33 PM

No, those people “think” or even “hope” that’s what happened.

But it didn’t.

I’ve already explained the logic behind WHY it couldn’t have

I’ve said that the twins had no drugs in their system for six months

I’ve said that HAD they given Maddie something to help her sleep, they would NOT have given her an overdose! They’re DOCTORS FGS.

And on top of that, how would they have been able to hide her body? It was teaming with people everywhere.

And do you SERIOUSLY think they’d just DUMP her somewhere like a bit of a rag?!

It’s utterly mad to even consider it!

Had an accident happened they’d have said! They could have even said Maddie must have drunk some without them knowing! But it didn’t happen. It’s too ludicrous to even consider.

Madeleine was TAKEN, by Christian Buereck. And he will be charged soon — just you wait and see.

Fenergan has sedative side affects in a normal dose. You’re wrong about the hair and drug tests with regards to fenergan imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:08:27 PM
It’s absurd because you “The Daily Mail” is not a country and therefore it is perfectly at liberty (as we have a free press) to report on thr problem of paedophilia in other countries and it is absurd to suggest that because Jimmy Savile was made a sir it disallows the British press from making any observations about paedophilia in a country in which a British little girl went missing.  That’s why IMO what you wrote was utterly absurd.

Many here criticise PJ/Amaral but appear to overlook the appalling history of British policing.

Tonight C4 will feature 'Murder in the car park' a docu about the unsolved murder of investigative journalist Daniel Morgan despite 30 million thrown at it.  Police corruption is thought to be at the heart of the case.  One police officer who stood trial was later convicted of the following:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/3211821.stm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:23:11 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 07:54:16 PM
If he wanted to retrieve it for later use then why not find a t little hidey-hole for a tiny object?  Why keep digging up a dog and in the process attract smells for vultures, rodents, insects etc which might draw attention.

Maybe in his cunning mind he thought police may use metal detectors, so sealed and buried it beneath his dog hoping a metal detector wouldn’t find it.

Plenty of dogs and cats are buried, and they’re buried deep enough so as not to attract vermin
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 08:14:16 PM

That’s a ridiculous thing to say.

So all the people milling around in their apartments didn’t heard a child screaming, or movement, or see Kate or Gerry running down the road holding her limp body?!

BS.

Nonsense. Madeleine never left the apartment from 5:30 until the disappearance. Their kids did not go out to play for the first time that night! Every evening they went to the play area except for 3 May 2007. Do some research!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:24:46 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
Many here criticise PJ/Amaral but appear to overlook the appalling history of British policing.

Tonight C4 will feature 'Murder in the car park' a docu about the unsolved murder of investigative journalist Daniel Morgan despite 30 million thrown at it.  Police corruption is thought to be at the heart of the case.  One police officer who stood trial was later convicted of the following:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/3211821.stm
So what you’re saying is, if the police in your country are not 100% perfect then you are not allowed to criticise the police of other countries.  I see.  Well sorry, but I shan’t be abiding by your rules and will continue to criticise whichever police force worldwide I see fit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:12:48 PM
Why is a flirty floozy like you going to do it?  Why shouldn’t they?  In case you hadn’t noticed they seem to be investigating her disappearance, based on “concrete evidence” they have uncovered concerning her apparent death.

If the Germans have "concrete evidence" why are they seeking info via public appeals re tel numbers and vehicles some 13 years after the event? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:25:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 07:57:16 PM
I think you’ll find you’re wrong about the drug tests on the hair after that length of time has elapsed and the presence of fenergan.


You’re ABSOLUTELY wrong!

Forensics take hairs and can tell what drugs you’ve used for however long the length of hair is; what foods you’ve eaten; and even where you’ve lived in the world!

Google it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 08:27:36 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:09:19 PM
Have you see the vid?
I was responding to Jassi. Holly, given the latest reports, don’t you think the German police have enough evidence to make such a bold statement about the most famous child’s disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
If the Germans have "concrete evidence" why are they seeking info via public appeals re tel numbers and vehicles some 13 years after the event?
Oh, do we have to go round the mulberry bush on this one again?  They have concrete evidence she is dead, clearly they do n’t have enough evidence she died at his hands.  Is that too difficult for you to understand?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
Many here criticise PJ/Amaral but appear to overlook the appalling history of British policing.

Tonight C4 will feature 'Murder in the car park' a docu about the unsolved murder of investigative journalist Daniel Morgan despite 30 million thrown at it.  Police corruption is thought to be at the heart of the case.  One police officer who stood trial was later convicted of the following:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/3211821.stm

You have no right to accuse posters here of overlooking errors in british policing and imo are simply showing your ignorance.

Every police force has its bad apples and these should be highlighted but lets keep things in perspective. Two portuguese officers in the mccann case have been convicted in criminal courts..amaral for lying...almeida for torture in another case. How many uk officers involved in the case have been convicted of criminal acts...none I believe
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:33:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 08:01:14 PM
He filmed the ordeal with loads of incriminating evidence. Best you familiarize yourself with the facts. But then again, as you said, ‘life is too short to read everything’.

Good grief!!

Does Jassi know that CB broke in, tied the woman up to a pole, beat her violently with a big metal bar across her breasts, stomach, buttocks, legs, arms, face...for over TWO hours....then raped her TWICE...all the while filming it?!

Then whipped his terrifying mask off?!

Rough sex?! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:36:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:29:46 PM
Oh, do we have to go round the mulberry bush on this one again?  They have concrete evidence she is dead, clearly they do n’t have enough evidence she died at his hands.  Is that too difficult for you to understand?

Not according to the Mc's

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 29, 2020, 08:38:37 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 08:01:14 PM
He filmed the ordeal with loads of incriminating evidence. Best you familiarize yourself with the facts. But then again, as you said, ‘life is too short to read everything’.

Not sure there is any hard evidence of that. Can you provide a cite ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:39:10 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:06:00 PM
We haven't even seen any official authentic docs re the rape.


The police have.

They’ve seen it.

You should watch the link with Hans Christian Woltor who goes into detail.

He’s seen the video CB took.

He’s seen the physical and mental scars the poor lady suffered.

He’s also seen the vile posts CB posted up where he said he wants to document all the torture he does to the victims he will use, and how he will dispose of them.

He’s a sadistic psychopath — his doctor says it on the film.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:40:14 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Why are the German authorities going to spend hours familiarising themselves with the intracies of the MM case?

He’s a German citizen, Holy 🙄
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 08:41:19 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
If the Germans have "concrete evidence" why are they seeking info via public appeals re tel numbers and vehicles some 13 years after the event?
This is on the forum: German police need to be sure that Brückner, with his phone was present when Madeleine disappeared. Therefore, asking vacationers/locals to place him near Apartment 5A on that evening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:41:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 08:32:01 PM
You have no right to accuse posters here of overlooking errors in british policing and imo are simply showing your ignorance.

Every police force has its bad apples and these should be highlighted but lets keep things in perspective. Two portuguese officers in the mccann case have been convicted in criminal courts..amaral for lying...almeida for torture in another case. How many uk officers involved in the case have been convicted of criminal acts...none I believe

Errors?  You mean wrongdoing on a grand scale over decades.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 08:29:46 PM
Oh, do we have to go round the mulberry bush on this one again?  They have concrete evidence she is dead, clearly they do n’t have enough evidence she died at his hands.  Is that too difficult for you to understand?

Scotland Yard is calling it a missing person case NOT a murder case! Or maybe they have done new tests from crime scene evidence to know that she is dead!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 08:43:41 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:41:27 PM
Errors?  You mean wrongdoing on a grand scale over decades.

If you want to believe the rubbish you post carry on... You are simply making a fool of yourself..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:45:25 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 08:40:14 PM
He’s a German citizen, Holy 🙄

But why would the Germans get involved with crimes committed in other jurisdictions? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:45:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 08:09:54 PM
That’s not a fact - it’s rubbish. If someone falls, becomes unconscious and is unable to maintain their own airway then cardiac arrest would follow  about four to five minutes of apnoea as the victim became hypoxic.


You can’t have apnoea for four minutes — you'd then be brain dead.

Hypoxia is lack of oxygen, but isn’t necessarily life-threatening.

A brain injury wouldn’t necessarily affect your airways, either.

It’s irrelevant, anyway, as Madeleine didn’t fall and fracture her skull — she was abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 08:49:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:45:25 PM
But why would the Germans get involved with crimes committed in other jurisdictions?

Because they've got him and they don't trust The PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 08:50:38 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 08:20:13 PM
Fenergan has sedative side affects in a normal dose. You’re wrong about the hair and drug tests with regards to fenergan imo

I’m not — it’s you that’s wrong.

Hair is frequently tested for all sorts of things; drugs, food, alcohol...lots of things.

That’s not my opinion — it’s a FACT.


Yes, Fenergan can, in RARE cases have side effects, but Madeleine wasn’t given any. She didn’t need it.




https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/hair-analysis-test
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 08:43:41 PM
If you want to believe the rubbish you post carry on... You are simply making a fool of yourself..

I'll let the stats do the talking:

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2020, 08:54:48 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:45:25 PM
But why would the Germans get involved with crimes committed in other jurisdictions?

Section 9 of the offences against the persons act here in the uk covers the offender being a uk citizen committing murder or manslaughter abroad, maybe Germany has a similar provision.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:50:57 PM
I'll let the stats do the talking:

Would you like to quote the stats for both countries... Should be interesting.... Or is it just more hot air
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 08:49:34 PM
Because they've got him and they don't trust The PJ.

It doesn't work like that Eleanor.  Consider the case of Montes captured in US but extradited to France to stand trial for the murder of British girl Caroline Dickinson murdered in France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Arce_Montes
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 08:59:11 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:55:48 PM
It doesn't work like that Eleanor.  Consider the case of Montes captured in US but extradited to France to stand trial for the murder of British girl Caroline Dickinson murdered in France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Arce_Montes

Germany has every right to try him as shown by the rape trial... I agree with Eleanor... The Portuguese can't be trusted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 29, 2020, 08:59:27 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 08:23:34 PM
Nonsense. Madeleine never left the apartment from 5:30 until the disappearance. Their kids did not go out to play for the first time that night! Every evening they went to the play area except for 3 May 2007. Do some research!
Because the children were tired? Have you considered that someone could have given the Mccann children something, like a sweet, in the same way Brückner handed them out at his kiosk in Brünswcik, next to a creche and primary school?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:55:48 PM
It doesn't work like that Eleanor.  Consider the case of Montes captured in US but extradited to France to stand trial for the murder of British girl Caroline Dickinson murdered in France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Arce_Montes

Actually, I was joking, sort of.  But I wouldn't half like to see The PJ trying to get him back, especially as they missed two Rapes and failed to clock that he was a convicted Paedophile.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:01:07 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 29, 2020, 08:38:37 PM
Not sure there is any hard evidence of that. Can you provide a cite ?


https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 08:49:34 PM
Because they've got him and they don't trust The PJ.

Exactly

And they also strongly suspect he’s killed German children too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 09:03:31 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 08:50:38 PM
I’m not — it’s you that’s wrong.

Hair is frequently tested for all sorts of things; drugs, food, alcohol...lots of things.

That’s not my opinion — it’s a FACT.


Yes, Fenergan can, in RARE cases have side effects, but Madeleine wasn’t given any. She didn’t need it.

Pamela Fenn who lived above heard Madeleine awake crying on Tuesday night from 10:30 to 11:45pm. She had a star chart at home because of her sleeping patterns!

Madeleine would often get up in the night and go and sleep in the same bed as err Kate and Gerry so I think their sleep patterns were pretty disturbed
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 08:23:34 PM
Nonsense. Madeleine never left the apartment from 5:30 until the disappearance. Their kids did not go out to play for the first time that night! Every evening they went to the play area except for 3 May 2007. Do some research!

I’ve done research

I suggest you learn to decipher what people write

I never said Maddie left the apartment after 5:30pm

You’ve misread...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
If the Germans have "concrete evidence" why are they seeking info via public appeals re tel numbers and vehicles some 13 years after the event?


He only came onto the radar re Madeleine two years ago...

I thought you followed this case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 29, 2020, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 09:03:31 PM
Pamela Fenn who lived above heard Madeleine awake crying on Tuesday night from 10:30 to 11:45pm. She had a star chart at home because of her sleeping patterns!

Madeleine would often get up in the night and go and sleep in the same bed as err Kate and Gerry so I think their sleep patterns were pretty disturbed
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm


So what?

They obviously didn’t give her any medicines throughout the week if a neighbour heard her crying...

Neither did they on the night the paedophile was lurking outside the apartment
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 09:20:55 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 09:05:50 PM
I’ve done research

I suggest you learn to decipher what people write

I never said Maddie left the apartment after 5:30pm

You’ve misread...

I said she could have left anytime after 5:30 because that was the last independent witness sighting. Another theory could be that she didn't go back to their apartment at all and went elsewhere but from evidence I don't believe that happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 09:18:31 PM

So what?

They obviously didn’t give her any medicines throughout the week if a neighbour heard her crying...

Neither did they on the night the paedophile was lurking outside the apartment

If you've done research you should know that the Moyes were out on their balcony above the apartment from around 9:15 for about 30 minutes and saw nobody lurking outside! You always seem to be missing crucial evidence. My theory - Madeleine left the apartment before 9:15 but I will not give an exact time yet but I have it!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 09:58:15 PM
Quote from: Ispywithmybigeye on June 29, 2020, 08:45:43 PM

You can’t have apnoea for four minutes — you'd then be brain dead.

Hypoxia is lack of oxygen, but isn’t necessarily life-threatening.

A brain injury wouldn’t necessarily affect your airways, either.

It’s irrelevant, anyway, as Madeleine didn’t fall and fracture her skull — she was abducted.

You have yet to show us any evidence that she was abducted.

Do some more research. I've worked in critical care for 30 years. If someone is unconscious they can lose control of their airway (particularly so in children because of their anatomical differences with adults), the tongue could cause an obstruction of the upper airway or the regurgitation of semi digested food could cause airway obstruction (why do you think people are nil by mouth before an anaesthetic?). If a person's airway is totally obstructed (not uncommon after head injury) the resultant lack of oxygen to vital organs (hypoxia) would be critical after four or five minutes. The lack of oxygen to the heart would cause cardiac arrest after about four of five minutes of apnoea. Children become hypoxic much faster than adults. It's fantasy to pretend that death after unconsciousness caused by a head injury isn't a possibility after four to five minutes.

The sedative properties of phenergan are not a rare side effect. They are expected in a normal dose. I've met  medics who openly use phenergan for travel sickness in children knowing they are going to have a very peaceful journey.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2020, 08:36:58 PM
Not according to the Mc's

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html
With respect to the McCanns, it’s likely the German police know more about the evidence than they do at this stage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2020, 10:06:45 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 09:58:15 PM
You have yet to show us any evidence that she was abducted.

Do some more research. I've worked in critical care for 30 years. If someone is unconscious they can lose control of their airway (particularly so in children because of their anatomical differences with adults), the tongue could cause an obstruction of the upper airway or the regurgitation of semi digested food could cause airway obstruction (why do you think people are nil by mouth before an anaesthetic?). If a person's airway is totally obstructed (not uncommon after head injury) the resultant lack of oxygen to vital organs (hypoxia) would be critical after four or five minutes. The lack of oxygen to the heart would cause cardiac arrest after about four of five minutes of apnoea. Children become hypoxic much faster than adults. It's fantasy to pretend that death after unconsciousness caused by a head injury isn't a possibility after four to five minutes.

The sedative properties of phenergan are not a rare side effect. They are expected in a normal dose. I've met  medics who openly use phenergan for travel sickness in children knowing they are going to have a very peaceful journey.

Could you give me one example anywhere in the world of s child dying in minutes from a head injury in a domestic accident...the effects of a subdural haematoma take hours
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 10:07:56 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 08:43:22 PM
Scotland Yard is calling it a missing person case NOT a murder case! Or maybe they have done new tests from crime scene evidence to know that she is dead!
There isn’t a test that could be run to prove she was dead without a body and you must surely know this!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 29, 2020, 10:32:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 10:07:56 PM
There isn’t a test that could be run to prove she was dead without a body and you must surely know this!
Even a photo would not be good enough as we could be dealing with a lookalike child.  I'm really amazed how two siblings can look alike e.g. the Caffell twins (Bamber case) where even members of the family couldn't tell them apart.
My theory all along has been that there were two girls who looked so alike and no one has been able to tell them apart.
The photo we often see portrayed as Madeleine McCann IMO all along has been that girl isn't MM.

This is not Madeleine, IMO (https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article12979764.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/Madeleine-One-Year-On.jpg)

So I hope that Kate and Gerry resist just agreeing with the Germans that they have some sort of photographic proof that Madeleine is dead. 


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 10:36:39 PM
sigh
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 10:06:45 PM
Could you give me one example anywhere in the world of s child dying in minutes from a head injury in a domestic accident...the effects of a subdural haematoma take hours

Give me one example of a very young child being abducted from a holiday apartment by a stranger!

With regards to head injury and airway obstruction:

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000067.htm

Causes

The airway can become narrowed or blocked due to many causes, including:

    Allergic reactions in which the trachea or throat swell closed, including allergic reactions to a bee sting, peanuts, antibiotics (such as penicillin), and blood pressure medicines (such as ACE inhibitors)
    Chemical burns and reactions
    Epiglottitis (infection of the structure separating the trachea from the esophagus)
    Fire or burns from breathing in smoke
    Foreign bodies, such as peanuts and other breathed-in foods, pieces of a balloon, buttons, coins, and small toys
    Infections of the upper airway area
    Injury to the upper airway area
    Peritonsillar abscess (collection of infected material near the tonsils)
    Poisoning from certain substances, such as strychnine
    Retropharyngeal abscess (collection of infected material in the back of the airway)
    Severe asthma attack
    Throat cancer
    Tracheomalacia (weakness of the cartilage that supports the trachea)
    Vocal cord problems
    Passing out or being unconscious

Plenty more reading for you on this subject:

 "AIRWAY  PATENCY  IN  THE  UNCONSCIOUS  PATIENT. M. P.  BOIDIN (1985)  "Unconsciousness    may   lead   to   asphyxia  from obstruction  of the upper  airway"


Journal of Applied Physiology
 Sep;14:760-4.
doi: 10.1152/jappl.1959.14.5.760.
Upper Airway Obstruction in the Unconscious Patient
P SAFAR, L A ESCARRAGA, F CHANG

" Roentgenograms demonstrated that the tongue is pushed against the posterior pharyngeal wall when the neck is flexed and the mandible is not held forward. The incidence and degree of obstruction was similar in the prone and supine positions,"

https://www.physio-pedia.com/Respiratory_Management_for_Traumatic_Brain_Injury

Nursing Times: Resuscitation skills – part two – Clearing the airway.

"Patients who need resuscitation often have airway obstruction, usually secondary to loss of consciousness "

I could go on....

 Falling by the way is the most common cause of accidental death in the home. Far more common than abduction by strangers!


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 10:49:31 PM
http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/pathology/head-injury/causes-of-death/

Forensic Medicine for Medical Students

Causes of death following head injury include the following;

    raised intra-cranial pressure/ brain swelling/ herniation
    hypoxic/ ischaemic injury (e.g. following airway obstruction post-injury, due to aspiration of gastric contents (or blood etc) or postural asphyxia as a result of being pinned upside down in a vehicle following a road traffic collision, for example
    diffuse brain injury (vascular or axonal)
    blood loss (e.g. following a scalp laceration)
    infection (meningitis or pneumonia)
    epilepsy/ dementia



Read more: http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/pathology/head-injury/causes-of-death/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 10:54:06 PM
Trauma Primary Survey

Jason H. Planas; David F. Sigmon.
Author Information

Last Update: April 28, 2020.
Go to:
Introduction

The primary survey is designed to assess and treat any life-threatening injuries quickly. It should be completed very rapidly. The main causes of death in a trauma patient are airway obstruction, respiratory failure, massive hemorrhage, and brain injuries. Therefore, these are the areas targeted during the primary survey. The following are some of, but not all, the specific injuries that may be identified during a primary survey, which may be potentially life-threatening:

    Airway obstruction
    Tension pneumothorax
    Massive internal or external hemorrhage
    Open pneumothorax
    Flail chest
    Cardiac tamponade
    Intracranial bleed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 29, 2020, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 08:49:34 PM
Because they've got him and they don't trust The PJ.
What's the Portuguese problem with requests to forensically check samples from the McCann apartment ?  They denied Scotland Yard in 2014 and they denied the Germans in their turn 2020.

Madeleine McCann: 100 strands of untested human hair provide new hope in DNA hunt
BRITISH detectives probing the Madeleine McCann disappearance in Portugal want to retest hairs after it was found previous DNA tests carried out during the original investigation were incomplete.
By GERARD COUZENS
08:52, Wed, Oct 29, 2014
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/528865/Madeleine-McCann-human-hairs-hunt-Portugal
_____________________________________________

But Portuguese officials say that this saliva sample has already been examined at Institute Forsenic Medicine in Coimbra and that no DNA match to new suspect Brueckner was found.

A similar request by Scotland Yard was refused in 2014 when British detectives wanted to retest nearly 100 strands of hair strands that were discovered during the original investigation but never DNA-matched.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8431391/German-police-want-retest-mystery-saliva-McCanns-Praia-Luz-apartment.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 29, 2020, 11:03:05 PM
What's the Portuguese problem with requests to forensically check samples from the McCann apartment ?  They denied Scotland Yard in 2014 and they denied the Germans in their turn 2020.

Madeleine McCann: 100 strands of untested human hair provide new hope in DNA hunt
BRITISH detectives probing the Madeleine McCann disappearance in Portugal want to retest hairs after it was found previous DNA tests carried out during the original investigation were incomplete.
By GERARD COUZENS
08:52, Wed, Oct 29, 2014
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/528865/Madeleine-McCann-human-hairs-hunt-Portugal
_____________________________________________

But Portuguese officials say that this saliva sample has already been examined at Institute Forsenic Medicine in Coimbra and that no DNA match to new suspect Brueckner was found.

A similar request by Scotland Yard was refused in 2014 when British detectives wanted to retest nearly 100 strands of hair strands that were discovered during the original investigation but never DNA-matched.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8431391/German-police-want-retest-mystery-saliva-McCanns-Praia-Luz-apartment.html

I'm 100% in favour of further DNA tests on any of the collected hair samples.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 10:54:06 PM
Trauma Primary Survey

Jason H. Planas; David F. Sigmon.
Author Information

Last Update: April 28, 2020.
Go to:
Introduction

The primary survey is designed to assess and treat any life-threatening injuries quickly. It should be completed very rapidly. The main causes of death in a trauma patient are airway obstruction, respiratory failure, massive hemorrhage, and brain injuries. Therefore, these are the areas targeted during the primary survey. The following are some of, but not all, the specific injuries that may be identified during a primary survey, which may be potentially life-threatening:

    Airway obstruction
    Tension pneumothorax
    Massive internal or external hemorrhage
    Open pneumothorax
    Flail chest
    Cardiac tamponade
    Intracranial bleed
If you believe Madeleine died in an accidental fall do you think this happened before or after her parents left the apartment at 8.30pm?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 11:12:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 10:07:56 PM
There isn’t a test that could be run to prove she was dead without a body and you must surely know this!

Tell that to the Germans. They are telling you she is dead! I'm telling you the police will believe she is dead if any blood alert evidence matched Madeleine. You can be certain of that!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 29, 2020, 11:16:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 11:04:57 PM
I'm 100% in favour of further DNA tests on any of the collected hair samples.

The point is it does not matter if you are ~ if the British police are ~ if the German police are ... it is self evident that the Portuguese are not !!! 
It is their ball and they are very obviously not prepared to let anyone else have a kick at it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 11:12:47 PM
Tell that to the Germans. They are telling you she is dead! I'm telling you the police will believe she is dead if any blood alert evidence matched Madeleine. You can be certain of that!
The police may be stupid but they’re not THAT stupid.  Most police know that it’s possible to lose a speck of blood and live another day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 11:24:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 11:08:48 PM
If you believe Madeleine died in an accidental fall do you think this happened before or after her parents left the apartment at 8.30pm?

Speculation, of course, and I don't "believe it" instead I was suggesting it is a more likely event than stranger abduction... but getting back on topic maybe it happened just before or just as the latest prime suspect was in the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 29, 2020, 11:29:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 11:17:55 PM
The police may be stupid but they’re not THAT stupid.  Most police know that it’s possible to lose a speck of blood and live another day.

Quite obviously the only DNA of any significance would be foreign DNA which cannot be identified as belonging to anyone with a legitimate right to be within 5A.
I believe such a sample may already exist ... and who knows about the jealously guarded hairs. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/528865/Madeleine-McCann-human-hairs-hunt-Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 11:29:57 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 11:24:08 PM
Speculation, of course, and I don't "believe it" instead I was suggesting it is a more likely event than stranger abduction... but getting back on topic maybe it happened just before or just as the latest prime suspect was in the apartment.
So after the McCanns left the apartment then.  It must have happened virtually immediately after they left then in order for sufficient time to have elapsed for the dog alerts to be accurate.  So at what point do you consider Smithman discovered the corpse and did he tell his wife straight away or wait until the place was in pandemonium in your view?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 11:30:53 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 11:27:34 PM
Not when a cadaver dog alerted and the blood dog found her blood. Dream on!
Cadaver dogs alert to blood.  Next?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 29, 2020, 11:32:04 PM

TOPIC PLEASE.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 29, 2020, 11:34:14 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 11:24:08 PM
Speculation, of course, and I don't "believe it" instead I was suggesting it is a more likely event than stranger abduction... but getting back on topic maybe it happened just before or just as the latest prime suspect was in the apartment.

There is no evidence the prime suspect was ever in 5A and there never will be as long as Portuguese intransigence vetoes looking for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 11:36:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 29, 2020, 11:34:14 PM
There is no evidence the prime suspect was ever in 5A

Absolutely agree with you on that point!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 11:30:53 PM
Cadaver dogs alert to blood.  Next?

A cadaver dog goes into a crime scene FIRST months later before the blood dog. A body isn't there so ask yourself why that is? I will end it here being off-topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2020, 11:58:12 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 11:44:26 PM
A cadaver dog goes into a crime scene FIRST months later before the blood dog. A body isn't there so ask yourself why that is? I will end it here being off-topic.
No idea what you’re on about but if you are labouring under the delusion that new DNA tests confirming a speck of blood of Madeleine’s in Apt 5 a means curtains for the McCanns, then all I can say is you have my sympathies.  Let’s return to the topic now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 30, 2020, 12:05:10 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 11:30:53 PM
Cadaver dogs alert to blood.  Next?
Yes they do.  Decomposed human blood.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 01:22:45 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 29, 2020, 11:58:12 PM
No idea what you’re on about but if you are labouring under the delusion that new DNA tests confirming a speck of blood of Madeleine’s in Apt 5 a means curtains for the McCanns, then all I can say is you have my sympathies.  Let’s return to the topic now.

There are other retained samples one would hope!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 30, 2020, 02:21:28 AM
Mysterious phone call made by McCann suspect places him 'outside resort' before she was snatched
30 Jun, 2020
German police believe a key piece of evidence proves prime suspect Christian Brueckner was outside the Ocean Club minutes before Madeleine McCann was snatched.

Brueckner had made a 30-minute call to a phone registered to a man named Diogo Silva just an hour before McCann disappeared.

Prosecutors have since traced the phone used by Brueckner, claiming it connected to the mast owned by the resort complex where the McCanns were staying.

The phone call has been a central part of the renewed police probe since the twice-convicted paedophile was named as a key suspect earlier this month.
_________________________________________

"We know that the phone number which was used by our suspect on May 3, 2007, was connecting to the mast which belongs to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz," he said.

TV host Liz Hayes then presses the prosecutor on if they can place Brueckner at the scene.

He replies: "Yes, we think so."
_________________________________________

The man on the other end of Brueckner's call is now considered a "key witness".

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12344161

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 03:04:38 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 09:20:55 PM
I said she could have left anytime after 5:30 because that was the last independent witness sighting. Another theory could be that she didn't go back to their apartment at all and went elsewhere but from evidence I don't believe that happened.


Instead of you — who wasn’t there — coming up with theories that suit YOUR agenda, why don’t you listen to the FACTUAL EVIDENCE by those who were there?

Gerry played tennis for an hour at 6pm while Kate fed the children, bathed them and tucked them into bed by 7pm.

Gerry came back & kissed them goodnight, then both he & Kate showered & got ready for dinner.

You can imagine up as many scenarios in your head as you want, but it won’t alter the facts. Are you saying that because Kate was in the apartment at 5:30pm feeding the children and getting them ready for bed that means she must have murdered Maddie? How about all their friends who were doing the same?

They were doing what ALL normal parents’ do at that time of day on holiday — when you’ve been on a family holiday do you all stay outside when your toddlers are having dinner and getting ready for bed? Or do you bath them, brush their teeth, get them ready for bed INSIDE?!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 03:17:06 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 29, 2020, 09:29:01 PM
If you've done research you should know that the Moyes were out on their balcony above the apartment from around 9:15 for about 30 minutes and saw nobody lurking outside! You always seem to be missing crucial evidence. My theory - Madeleine left the apartment before 9:15 but I will not give an exact time yet but I have it!


Have you ever been on a holiday abroad?

Because going by your strange “theories” you seem to think holidaymakers stay sat on their balcony staring at one spot doing surveillance. The Moyes’ balcony didn’t overlook the road! And even if it HAD they’d have been looking at EACH OTHER, chatting, drinking, maybe listening to music.

It was also DARK.

And do you think Christian B would have been standing under a spotlight to be SEEN? He was a professional burglar for God sake — he’d have been positioned so as not to be spotted easily.

I don’t miss ANY crucial evidence. And the reason for that is my head isn’t filled with weird scenarios,


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 04:37:59 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 09:58:15 PM
You have yet to show us any evidence that she was abducted.

Do some more research. I've worked in critical care for 30 years. If someone is unconscious they can lose control of their airway (particularly so in children because of their anatomical differences with adults), the tongue could cause an obstruction of the upper airway or the regurgitation of semi digested food could cause airway obstruction (why do you think people are nil by mouth before an anaesthetic?). If a person's airway is totally obstructed (not uncommon after head injury) the resultant lack of oxygen to vital organs (hypoxia) would be critical after four or five minutes. The lack of oxygen to the heart would cause cardiac arrest after about four of five minutes of apnoea. Children become hypoxic much faster than adults. It's fantasy to pretend that death after unconsciousness caused by a head injury isn't a possibility after four to five minutes.

The sedative properties of phenergan are not a rare side effect. They are expected in a normal dose. I've met  medics who openly use phenergan for travel sickness in children knowing they are going to have a very peaceful journey.


And you — in the whole one year you’ve been on here — have failed  to show any evidence that the McCanns’ murdered their children. And the reason for that is, there isn’t any because they didn’t kill her. You just seem to WANT them to be responsible for some strange reason...

I don’t care how long you’ve worked in critical care — you aren’t a doctor — because in some of your previous answers you’ve got things wrong.  Such as you saying Hypoxia would be critical after five minutes: you’re wrong. It’s Anoxia (total lack of oxygen) that causes brain death. And brain death occurs after just FOUR minutes — not five.

You like to use medical terms, which you could easily get off the Internet, but doctors who I know use layman’s terms when discussing medicine with people who aren’t medically qualified. They don’t say “hypoxia” when it’s far simpler to say “lack of oxygen” so people understand.

You seem to want to discuss things that have no relevance whatsoever to Madeleine’s disappearance. You’ve no idea if Maddie fractured her skull! You’ve no idea what happened at all. Are you seriously so gullible to think Maddie had an accident and her parents’ (one a cardiologist; one an ex-anaesthetist) would just sit and do nothing?!! Then when she died go and hide her body?!!

You’ve a seriously strange thought process.

I don’t believe you have any medical knowledge at all. To say that Phenergan is EXPECTED to cause cessation of breathing in a NORMAL DOSE proves your ignorance! That’s about one of the most stupid remarks I’ve ever read! Do you think pharmacists would sell it over the counter if it was as deadly as you claim?!  It’s true that in very rare cases both children and adults can develop breathing difficulties which can prove fatal, just as some people can take an Aspirin and bleed to death. But it is RARE. And furthermore, YOU have no idea if Kate or Gerry even gave it to their children! They may have used it for themselves. And why the hell would two highly qualified medical doctors, one a cardiologist (now Professor) and one an ex-IC Unit Anaesthetist know less about side-effects than YOU do?!

They wouldn’t — with all their expertise — and being Maddie’s parents put her in danger! And HAD she suddenly developed a serious side-effect they’d have called an ambulance and started resuscitating her! They wouldn’t have gone to f*cking dinner leaving her dead on the floor! And had they FOUND her dead they wouldn’t have hidden her body to just DUMP it later!

They’d have called for an ambulance, and if she couldn’t have been revived it would have been put down to a tragic allergic reaction.

You’re dismissing ALL the overwhelming evidence that Christian Buecker WAS outside the Ocean Club — police have proved that by mobile records — and all the other evidence that has convinced Hans Christian Wolter (chief of police) who’s SAID he KNOWS Madeleine is dead; he knows HOW she died; and he KNOWS who did it!

YOU just don’t want to believe that, because you want to believe the McCanns killed their daughter. Maybe, despite the tragedy they’ve had to endure, you’re in some way jealous of them because they’re highly successful doctors...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 05:10:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 29, 2020, 10:06:45 PM
Could you give me one example anywhere in the world of s child dying in minutes from a head injury in a domestic accident...the effects of a subdural haematoma take hours


Sorry to jump in, Dave, but this man who claims to have worked 30 years in critical care (doesn’t say what he does, though...) isn’t even aware that if a child has a depressed fractured skull they’ll have surgery to stem any bleeding and repair the skull. It’s serious, of course — but it takes one hell of a fall to fracture a skull.

It’s as nonsensical as when he claims Phenergan antihistamine is EXPECTED to be fatal!  You can buy that in Boots!

Just imagine if that was true: anyone who wanted to bump off their spouse could just slip a teaspoon of Phenergan in their cocktail and that would be job done!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 05:30:40 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 29, 2020, 11:03:05 PM
What's the Portuguese problem with requests to forensically check samples from the McCann apartment ?  They denied Scotland Yard in 2014 and they denied the Germans in their turn 2020.

Madeleine McCann: 100 strands of untested human hair provide new hope in DNA hunt
BRITISH detectives probing the Madeleine McCann disappearance in Portugal want to retest hairs after it was found previous DNA tests carried out during the original investigation were incomplete.
By GERARD COUZENS
08:52, Wed, Oct 29, 2014
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/528865/Madeleine-McCann-human-hairs-hunt-Portugal
_____________________________________________

But Portuguese officials say that this saliva sample has already been examined at Institute Forsenic Medicine in Coimbra and that no DNA match to new suspect Brueckner was found.

A similar request by Scotland Yard was refused in 2014 when British detectives wanted to retest nearly 100 strands of hair strands that were discovered during the original investigation but never DNA-matched.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8431391/German-police-want-retest-mystery-saliva-McCanns-Praia-Luz-apartment.html


The Portuguese Police are scared to show how incompetent they’ve been; that’s why they’re refusing to hand over the samples.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 30, 2020, 06:04:53 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 30, 2020, 02:21:28 AM
Mysterious phone call made by McCann suspect places him 'outside resort' before she was snatched
30 Jun, 2020
German police believe a key piece of evidence proves prime suspect Christian Brueckner was outside the Ocean Club minutes before Madeleine McCann was snatched.

Brueckner had made a 30-minute call to a phone registered to a man named Diogo Silva just an hour before McCann disappeared.

Prosecutors have since traced the phone used by Brueckner, claiming it connected to the mast owned by the resort complex where the McCanns were staying.

The phone call has been a central part of the renewed police probe since the twice-convicted paedophile was named as a key suspect earlier this month.
_________________________________________

"We know that the phone number which was used by our suspect on May 3, 2007, was connecting to the mast which belongs to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz," he said.

TV host Liz Hayes then presses the prosecutor on if they can place Brueckner at the scene.

He replies: "Yes, we think so."
_________________________________________

The man on the other end of Brueckner's call is now considered a "key witness".

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12344161
Where is this said mast actually located?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 07:24:39 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 29, 2020, 10:32:53 PM
Even a photo would not be good enough as we could be dealing with a lookalike child.  I'm really amazed how two siblings can look alike e.g. the Caffell twins (Bamber case) where even members of the family couldn't tell them apart.
My theory all along has been that there were two girls who looked so alike and no one has been able to tell them apart.
The photo we often see portrayed as Madeleine McCann IMO all along has been that girl isn't MM.

This is not Madeleine, IMO (https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article12979764.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/Madeleine-One-Year-On.jpg)

So I hope that Kate and Gerry resist just agreeing with the Germans that they have some sort of photographic proof that Madeleine is dead.


Have you emailed Hans Christian Wolton, Rob?

Incidentally, I don’t think Sheila and Colin’s twins looked identical at all

They had completely different jawlines
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 08:30:15 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 03:04:38 AM

Instead of you — who wasn’t there — coming up with theories that suit YOUR agenda, why don’t you listen to the FACTUAL EVIDENCE by those who were there?

Gerry played tennis for an hour at 6pm while Kate fed the children, bathed them and tucked them into bed by 7pm.

Gerry came back & kissed them goodnight, then both he & Kate showered & got ready for dinner.

You can imagine up as many scenarios in your head as you want, but it won’t alter the facts. Are you saying that because Kate was in the apartment at 5:30pm feeding the children and getting them ready for bed that means she must have murdered Maddie? How about all their friends who were doing the same?

They were doing what ALL normal parents’ do at that time of day on holiday — when you’ve been on a family holiday do you all stay outside when your toddlers are having dinner and getting ready for bed? Or do you bath them, brush their teeth, get them ready for bed INSIDE?!

You lambast others and tell them to listen to the factual evidence. I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts  instead. Kate McCann wasn't feeding the children in 5A and their friends were at the beach, not getting their children ready for bed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 30, 2020, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 30, 2020, 06:04:53 AM
Where is this said mast actually located?

Please don't initiate yet another day of fatuous game playing and deflection.  The thread title is clear enough ... I have posted a news report and have watched the interview where these questions were asked and answered.

If you think there was no antenna in existence where the interviewee claims please post your evidence and don't treat other posters as the font of all knowledge ... do your own research and agree or argue ... but endeavour to stay on topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 30, 2020, 08:32:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 08:30:15 AM
You lambast others and tell them to listen to the factual evidence. I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts  instead. Kate McCann wasn't feeding the children in 5A and their friends were at the beach, not getting their children ready for bed.
  ... and what does that have to do with the new prime suspect ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 30, 2020, 06:04:53 AM
Where is this said mast actually located?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ocean+club+praia+da+luz+phone+number&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#

There’s the phone number, perhaps they can assis you with your enquiry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 08:34:49 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2020, 10:54:06 PM
Trauma Primary Survey

Jason H. Planas; David F. Sigmon.
Author Information

Last Update: April 28, 2020.
Go to:
Introduction

The primary survey is designed to assess and treat any life-threatening injuries quickly. It should be completed very rapidly. The main causes of death in a trauma patient are airway obstruction, respiratory failure, massive hemorrhage, and brain injuries. Therefore, these are the areas targeted during the primary survey. The following are some of, but not all, the specific injuries that may be identified during a primary survey, which may be potentially life-threatening:

    Airway obstruction
    Tension pneumothorax
    Massive internal or external hemorrhage
    Open pneumothorax
    Flail chest
    Cardiac tamponade
    Intracranial bleed

A trauma patient refers to something like  a car accident...not  a fall in the home.
Falls may be the most common cause of death but have you looked at the statistics. Elderly popele die due to falls not children
When children do die from falls it takes hours due to  a subdural bleed.
We have been through this before...no one was able to come up with an incident of  a childs fall causing immediate or fairly quick death.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 30, 2020, 08:43:39 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 30, 2020, 08:30:53 AM
Please don't initiate yet another day of fatuous game playing and deflection.  The thread title is clear enough ... I have posted a news report and have watched the interview where these questions were asked and answered.

If you think there was no antenna in existence where the interviewee claims please post your evidence and don't treat other posters as the font of all knowledge ... do your own research and agree or argue ... but endeavour to stay on topic.

I'm not disputing the existence of the antenna I'm asking its exact location,you think it has some bearing to underline it in your post,so you must think it has relevance,just asking for clarity.The German who is officially unnamed is supposed to have used a phone,or rather a phone linked to him was used,where is what I'm asking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 30, 2020, 09:07:54 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 30, 2020, 08:43:39 AM
I'm not disputing the existence of the antenna I'm asking its exact location,you think it has some bearing to underline it in your post,so you must think it has relevance,just asking for clarity.The German who is officially unnamed is supposed to have used a phone,or rather a phone linked to him was used,where is what I'm asking.

My post relayed information relevant to discussion regarding the possibility or not of pinpointing a person's whereabouts using phone antennae.
According to the Germans it was ... what on earth prompted you to peremptorily ask me for its exact location? You've got exactly the same information I have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 30, 2020, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 30, 2020, 09:07:54 AM
My post relayed information relevant to discussion regarding the possibility or not of pinpointing a person's whereabouts using phone antennae.
According to the Germans it was ... what on earth prompted you to peremptorily ask me for its exact location? You've got exactly the same information I have.

The exact area then that the three amigos back in 2007 pinged to which brought them to the attention of Grange in 2014,round abouts it seems.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 30, 2020, 09:34:18 AM
There is a thread on page 55 of the McCann board,it concerns phone pings which brought the 3 amigos to granges attention,the relevance to this new suspect I hear you ask,it is this,  just how he cannot be said to be outside of 5a by his phone record.


From 2013
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24386130.


What can phone data tell us?
By Matthew WallTechnology reporter, BBC News

As mobile phones constantly send and receive data from mobile phone masts, a user's location can be identified to within a few hundred metres using triangulation techniques. Modern smartphones with GPS built in can be located far more accurately.

Mobile phone records include the numbers of the call sender and receiver, the call duration and time. Couple this with location information and you can establish where and when callers made or received a call. This information is often used to verify or knock down alibis in criminal cases.

The difficulty for investigators is establishing the identity of the user if the phone is pay-as-you-go (PAYG) rather than on a pay-monthly contract linked to a bank account. PAYG phones, SIM cards and top-up cards can be bought in-store for cash, leaving no identifying trail for investigators to follow.

And because such phones can be lent or sold to other people, establishing exactly who made a telephone call is made even more difficult.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 08:30:15 AM
You lambast others and tell them to listen to the factual evidence. I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts  instead. Kate McCann wasn't feeding the children in 5A and their friends were at the beach, not getting their children ready for bed.


Kate wasn’t, though

She was in the apartment bathing the children and getting them ready for bed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 09:46:01 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 30, 2020, 09:34:18 AM
There is a thread on page 55 of the McCann board,it concerns phone pings which brought the 3 amigos to granges attention,the relevance to this new suspect I hear you ask,it is this,  just how he cannot be said to be outside of 5a by his phone record.


From 2013
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24386130.


What can phone data tell us?
By Matthew WallTechnology reporter, BBC News

As mobile phones constantly send and receive data from mobile phone masts, a user's location can be identified to within a few hundred metres using triangulation techniques. Modern smartphones with GPS built in can be located far more accurately.

Mobile phone records include the numbers of the call sender and receiver, the call duration and time. Couple this with location information and you can establish where and when callers made or received a call. This information is often used to verify or knock down alibis in criminal cases.

The difficulty for investigators is establishing the identity of the user if the phone is pay-as-you-go (PAYG) rather than on a pay-monthly contract linked to a bank account. PAYG phones, SIM cards and top-up cards can be bought in-store for cash, leaving no identifying trail for investigators to follow.

And because such phones can be lent or sold to other people, establishing exactly who made a telephone call is made even more difficult.


this is why HCW wants to find out who was on the other end of the phone so he can confirm who the call was to
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 09:47:31 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 30, 2020, 08:32:35 AM
  ... and what does that have to do with the new prime suspect ?

Thank you, Brietta...that’s what I was wondering?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 08:30:15 AM
You lambast others and tell them to listen to the factual evidence. I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts  instead. Kate McCann wasn't feeding the children in 5A and their friends were at the beach, not getting their children ready for bed.


Actually, Gunit, how do you actually know for sure that Kate wasn’t giving the children a bedtime snack? Ice creams, chocolates, biscuits...milk?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 08:33:49 AM
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ocean+club+praia+da+luz+phone+number&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#

There’s the phone number, perhaps they can assis you with your enquiry.

“Said” mast...

What is it with some people?🙄
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 09:56:21 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 30, 2020, 09:34:18 AM
There is a thread on page 55 of the McCann board,it concerns phone pings which brought the 3 amigos to granges attention,the relevance to this new suspect I hear you ask,it is this,  just how he cannot be said to be outside of 5a by his phone record.


From 2013
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24386130.


What can phone data tell us?
By Matthew WallTechnology reporter, BBC News

As mobile phones constantly send and receive data from mobile phone masts, a user's location can be identified to within a few hundred metres using triangulation techniques. Modern smartphones with GPS built in can be located far more accurately.

Mobile phone records include the numbers of the call sender and receiver, the call duration and time. Couple this with location information and you can establish where and when callers made or received a call. This information is often used to verify or knock down alibis in criminal cases.

The difficulty for investigators is establishing the identity of the user if the phone is pay-as-you-go (PAYG) rather than on a pay-monthly contract linked to a bank account. PAYG phones, SIM cards and top-up cards can be bought in-store for cash, leaving no identifying trail for investigators to follow.

And because such phones can be lent or sold to other people, establishing exactly who made a telephone call is made even more difficult.


Barrier I know from time spent here on the thread re the Rettendon Murders that mobile phone data/cell site analysis is complex.  If you want to read an authentic report by an expert its here.  Will give you some idea of the issues:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg512240#msg512240
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 09:58:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 08:34:49 AM
A trauma patient refers to something like  a car accident...not  a fall in the home.
Falls may be the most common cause of death but have you looked at the statistics. Elderly popele die due to falls not children
When children do die from falls it takes hours due to  a subdural bleed.
We have been through this before...no one was able to come up with an incident of  a childs fall causing immediate or fairly quick death.


Children fall over all the time and often bump their heads.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of one single case where a child has slipped over indoors and died due to a severe head injury. Children are very supple and light and if they do trip over or slip they usually land on their knees.

Maddie wasn’t wearing any socks, either, so that makes it it even more unlikely she’d slip.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 09:59:30 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 09:44:59 AM

Kate wasn’t, though

She was in the apartment bathing the children and getting them ready for bed.

Have you read KM's book? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:01:38 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 09:56:21 AM
Barrier I know from time spent here on the thread re the Rettendon Murders that mobile phone data/cell site analysis is complex.  If you want to read an authentic report by an expert its here.  Will give you some idea of the issues:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg512240#msg512240

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/12/denmark-frees-32-inmates-over-flawed-geolocation-revelations
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 30, 2020, 10:13:53 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 09:56:21 AM
Barrier I know from time spent here on the thread re the Rettendon Murders that mobile phone data/cell site analysis is complex.  If you want to read an authentic report by an expert its here.  Will give you some idea of the issues:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg512240#msg512240


I understand enough to know back in 2007, phone contracts were expensive, a payg,was the choice by most.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 10:19:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 30, 2020, 09:34:18 AM
There is a thread on page 55 of the McCann board,it concerns phone pings which brought the 3 amigos to granges attention,the relevance to this new suspect I hear you ask,it is this,  just how he cannot be said to be outside of 5a by his phone record.


From 2013
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24386130.


What can phone data tell us?
By Matthew WallTechnology reporter, BBC News

As mobile phones constantly send and receive data from mobile phone masts, a user's location can be identified to within a few hundred metres using triangulation techniques. Modern smartphones with GPS built in can be located far more accurately.

Mobile phone records include the numbers of the call sender and receiver, the call duration and time. Couple this with location information and you can establish where and when callers made or received a call. This information is often used to verify or knock down alibis in criminal cases.

The difficulty for investigators is establishing the identity of the user if the phone is pay-as-you-go (PAYG) rather than on a pay-monthly contract linked to a bank account. PAYG phones, SIM cards and top-up cards can be bought in-store for cash, leaving no identifying trail for investigators to follow.

And because such phones can be lent or sold to other people, establishing exactly who made a telephone call is made even more difficult.



Barrier, you inferred there was no mast at the OC by saying “where is this “said” mast?”

Brietta always, always makes good, constructive posts with reputable information.  That information came from none other than Hans Christian Woltor, the chief of police who has categorically stated that the mast is at the Ocean Club, and Christian Buerick received and made a call from there.

You’re now surmising he may have only had PAYG phones, but you don’t know that. He may have had a contract phone.

But even PAYG phones can be traced to its owner: and the German police have done that. They’ve confirmed that THAT phone belonged to HIM. It’s easy for intelligence to discover where a PAYG phone was bought, and like all criminals, they usually always get caught out — eventually.

Trying to suggest that “maybe” Christian Buecker very kindly gave someone HIS phone — who just so happened to use it outside the Ocean Club — actually makes him look MORE suspicious! But one would have to be incredibly naive to believe the word of a known liar, thief, burglar, rapist and paedophile. If you think for one second the police would believe that old chestnut, you’re sorely wrong.

Doesn’t matter, anyway...the police have far more damning evidence on him than just THAT!

They have proof that he killed Madeleine and they even know how.

They’re not going to tell the public what their proof is, they’re not stupid.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 10:22:20 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 09:59:30 AM
Have you read KM's book?


No, I haven’t.

But I’ve read lots about the case, and what they all did that last day.

Why do you ask?

Are you going to give me homework?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 30, 2020, 10:13:53 AM

I understand enough to know back in 2007, phone contracts were expensive, a payg,was the choice by most.

That’s not true.

I’ve had contract phones since the mid 1990s, and so has my daughter.

They’re actually less expensive than PAYG.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 10:19:07 AM

Barrier, you inferred there was no mast at the OC by saying “where is this “said” mast?”

Brietta always, always makes good, constructive posts with reputable information.  That information came from none other than Hans Christian Woltor, the chief of police who has categorically stated that the mast is at the Ocean Club, and Christian Buerick received and made a call from there.

You’re now surmising he may have only had PAYG phones, but you don’t know that. He may have had a contract phone.

But even PAYG phones can be traced to its owner: and the German police have done that. They’ve confirmed that THAT phone belonged to HIM. It’s easy for intelligence to discover where a PAYG phone was bought, and like all criminals, they usually always get caught out — eventually.

Trying to suggest that “maybe” Christian Buecker very kindly gave someone HIS phone — who just so happened to use it outside the Ocean Club — actually makes him look MORE suspicious! But one would have to be incredibly naive to believe the word of a known liar, thief, burglar, rapist and paedophile. If you think for one second the police would believe that old chestnut, you’re sorely wrong.

Doesn’t matter, anyway...the police have far more damning evidence on him than just THAT!

They have proof that he killed Madeleine and they even know how.

They’re not going to tell the public what their proof is, they’re not stupid.

Is there any reason to believe that in May 2007 other masts existed besides the two identified as follows:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11622.msg600874#msg600874
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 10:19:07 AM

Barrier, you inferred there was no mast at the OC by saying “where is this “said” mast?”

Brietta always, always makes good, constructive posts with reputable information.  That information came from none other than Hans Christian Woltor, the chief of police who has categorically stated that the mast is at the Ocean Club, and Christian Buerick received and made a call from there.

You’re now surmising he may have only had PAYG phones, but you don’t know that. He may have had a contract phone.

But even PAYG phones can be traced to its owner: and the German police have done that. They’ve confirmed that THAT phone belonged to HIM. It’s easy for intelligence to discover where a PAYG phone was bought, and like all criminals, they usually always get caught out — eventually.

Trying to suggest that “maybe” Christian Buecker very kindly gave someone HIS phone — who just so happened to use it outside the Ocean Club — actually makes him look MORE suspicious! But one would have to be incredibly naive to believe the word of a known liar, thief, burglar, rapist and paedophile. If you think for one second the police would believe that old chestnut, you’re sorely wrong.

Doesn’t matter, anyway...the police have far more damning evidence on him than just THAT!

They have proof that he killed Madeleine and they even know how.

They’re not going to tell the public what their proof is, they’re not stupid.

HCW is not chief of police. 

How can a PAYG phone be traced?

If anyone has damning evidence on CB then why hasn't he been charged? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 30, 2020, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 10:19:07 AM

Barrier, you inferred there was no mast at the OC by saying “where is this “said” mast?”

Brietta always, always makes good, constructive posts with reputable information.  That information came from none other than Hans Christian Woltor, the chief of police who has categorically stated that the mast is at the Ocean Club, and Christian Buerick received and made a call from there.

You’re now surmising he may have only had PAYG phones, but you don’t know that. He may have had a contract phone.

But even PAYG phones can be traced to its owner: and the German police have done that. They’ve confirmed that THAT phone belonged to HIM. It’s easy for intelligence to discover where a PAYG phone was bought, and like all criminals, they usually always get caught out — eventually.

Trying to suggest that “maybe” Christian Buecker very kindly gave someone HIS phone — who just so happened to use it outside the Ocean Club — actually makes him look MORE suspicious! But one would have to be incredibly naive to believe the word of a known liar, thief, burglar, rapist and paedophile. If you think for one second the police would believe that old chestnut, you’re sorely wrong.

Doesn’t matter, anyway...the police have far more damning evidence on him than just THAT!

They have proof that he killed Madeleine and they even know how.

They’re not going to tell the public what their proof is, they’re not stupid.

Yet still no charges, weird innit.  OG don't agree, still a missing persons case, best you liaise the two forces,they obviously are missing a linkman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 30, 2020, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 10:24:23 AM
That’s not true.

I’ve had contract phones since the mid 1990s, and so has my daughter.

They’re actually less expensive than PAYG.

That depends on the usage and need to have the most up to date gadget, mine is a hand me down  phone and payg which cost £5 a month, you can't get a contract for that.Use wifi at home for what I need.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 10:49:13 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:40:21 AM
HCW is not chief of police. 

How can a PAYG phone be traced?

If anyone has damning evidence on CB then why hasn't he been charged?

the answer to your questions will be revealed when the germans are ready
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 10:49:13 AM
the answer to your questions will be revealed when the germans are ready

So we're not longer reliant upon the Met to solve the case? That's probably a good thing after last night's airing of 'Murder in the car park'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:57:19 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/10/police-call-for-ban-on-anonymous-pay-as-you-go-phones
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 10:19:07 AM

Barrier, you inferred there was no mast at the OC by saying “where is this “said” mast?”

Brietta always, always makes good, constructive posts with reputable information.  That information came from none other than Hans Christian Woltor, the chief of police who has categorically stated that the mast is at the Ocean Club, and Christian Buerick received and made a call from there.

You’re now surmising he may have only had PAYG phones, but you don’t know that. He may have had a contract phone.

But even PAYG phones can be traced to its owner: and the German police have done that. They’ve confirmed that THAT phone belonged to HIM. It’s easy for intelligence to discover where a PAYG phone was bought, and like all criminals, they usually always get caught out — eventually.

Trying to suggest that “maybe” Christian Buecker very kindly gave someone HIS phone — who just so happened to use it outside the Ocean Club — actually makes him look MORE suspicious! But one would have to be incredibly naive to believe the word of a known liar, thief, burglar, rapist and paedophile. If you think for one second the police would believe that old chestnut, you’re sorely wrong.

Doesn’t matter, anyway...the police have far more damning evidence on him than just THAT!

They have proof that he killed Madeleine and they even know how.

They’re not going to tell the public what their proof is, they’re not stupid.

...in 2007, when Madeleine McCann went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, the iPhone was still a month away from going on sale. Most people carried basic mobile phones without touchscreens, internet connections and GPS chips.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/03/madeleine-mccann-data-could-investigators-gather-suspects-mobile/

The only way to pinpoint the location of a phone, therefore, was by triangulation. As it's name suggestions, triangulation uses three masts to pinpoint where the phone is.

Afaik there weren't three masts in PdL. There weren't any belonging to the Ocean Club complex either. Firstly because phone masts belong to mobile phone companies and secondly because there was no complex.

Therefore, in my opinion, all that can be said is that a phone was used somewhere near Praia da Luz.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 11:17:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
...in 2007, when Madeleine McCann went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, the iPhone was still a month away from going on sale. Most people carried basic mobile phones without touchscreens, internet connections and GPS chips.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/03/madeleine-mccann-data-could-investigators-gather-suspects-mobile/

The only way to pinpoint the location of a phone, therefore, was by triangulation. As it's name suggestions, triangulation uses three masts to pinpoint where the phone is.

Afaik there weren't three masts in PdL. There weren't any belonging to the Ocean Club complex either. Firstly because phone masts belong to mobile phone companies and secondly because there was no complex.

Therefore, in my opinion, all that can be said is that a phone was used somewhere near Praia da Luz.

its possible to use two masts but might not locate to such as small area...the more masts the better..its like  a venn diagram

We need to see what the Germans come up with...speculation based on little knowledge is a waste of time when hopefully we will get the definitive answer soon
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 11:17:42 AM
its possible to use two masts but might not locate to such as small area...the more masts the better..its like  a venn diagram

We need to see what the Germans come up with...speculation based on little knowledge is a waste of time when hopefully we will get the definitive answer soon

I totally agree, and repeating uninformed information from the press doesn't help matters. That's why I correct it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 11:34:55 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
I totally agree, and repeating uninformed information from the press doesn't help matters. That's why I correct it.

but your claim that ...all that can be said is the phone wsa used somewher near PDL is based on next to nothing...its uninformed information
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:40:21 AM
HCW is not chief of police. 

How can a PAYG phone be traced?

If anyone has damning evidence on CB then why hasn't he been charged?


Yes, a PAYG, like any other mobile phone can be traced; it’s always been that way, too.

All telephone companies keep track of all their phones they sell and if police want intelligence from then the company is obliged to share that data.

All phones, regardless of whether they’re PAYG work off masts

And every phone contains at least one unique serial number, and sometimes might contain two or three or even more. They have IMEI too. Then there’s the SIM identity too...

So, all the time, whether you are making a call or not, your phone is “talking’” to phone masts and broadcasting this information. It is an easy thing for the telephone company and therefore the police to match a phone call you make or a text message you send with the phone you used and its location.


Police can ALSO trace where that phone/SIM/both were bought.

When you buy a phone, even if you pay cash for it, almost certainly the cashier in the store will scan it, and also scan not just its UPC code, but also its unique IMEI/ESN number code, too. And even if they didn’t, the company that supplied the phones to that retailer has a record of the IMEIs of all the phones they sold to each and every store worldwide.

Of course, you also leave another trace every time you top your phone up with additional credit...

There’s another thing as well. If you leave a voice message there is a recording of your voice somewhere (BB watches more than people realise) and that can start to be matched against other voice recordings “on file’” at various intelligence  agencies which the police have privy to.

Another way of uncovering your identity is what else you used that phone for. What numbers did your phone number call? What numbers did you receive calls from? Which numbers did you send/receive text messages with? What types of websites did you visit? All the details of all your usage of that phone is stored and can be discovered by the police.

The police can even quickly do a data-filter search to find what other phones have followed you around! What other phones you have been close to, precisely when and how often...

Obviously, they’re only going to track/trace big criminals/suspects (such as CB) and people like, say, terrorists. But make no mistake: they can trace ANYONE. They’re not going to bother with some stupid troll, but if it is a serious matter such as suspected murder or a high-priority national security, then they can do all of this, and throw computing power at the problem like you wouldn’t believe.

So all this nonsense that CB could say it wasn’t his phone is utter rubbish.

He has left a trace whether he realises it or not.




I didn’t realise Hans Christian Wolton wasn’t chief of police, I wrongly thought he was. He certainly deserves to be one day — his determination and intelligence shines through!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 30, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
...in 2007, when Madeleine McCann went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, the iPhone was still a month away from going on sale. Most people carried basic mobile phones without touchscreens, internet connections and GPS chips.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/03/madeleine-mccann-data-could-investigators-gather-suspects-mobile/

The only way to pinpoint the location of a phone, therefore, was by triangulation. As it's name suggestions, triangulation uses three masts to pinpoint where the phone is.

Afaik there weren't three masts in PdL. There weren't any belonging to the Ocean Club complex either. Firstly because phone masts belong to mobile phone companies and secondly because there was no complex.

Therefore, in my opinion, all that can be said is that a phone was used somewhere near Praia da Luz.

Again, you have made the same mistake. I-Phones were not the first devices to include GPS. Here are some mobiles on sale in 2006 which had integrated GPS, most notably Nokia N95.
https://www.mobilegazette.com/retro-2006-13x07x11.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 11:50:26 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:29:55 AM
Is there any reason to believe that in May 2007 other masts existed besides the two identified as follows:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11622.msg600874#msg600874

There quite possibly were.

Even data isn’t updated online as frequently as some people assume, but authorities have it.

It’s like, say, Google Earth. If you put your postcode in and look at your house you may see a photo that’s maybe two years old, but they have satellites scanning images all the time, including cars updating ground images. But they only update them online every so many years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 11:34:55 AM
but your claim that ...all that can be said is the phone wsa used somewher near PDL is based on next to nothing...its uninformed information

I'm more informed than the press are, it seems. A mast belonging to the Ocean Club complex is a rubbish statement, as is the idea of a 'complex'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 30, 2020, 12:08:42 PM
Quote from: misty on June 30, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Again, you have made the same mistake. I-Phones were not the first devices to include GPS. Here are some mobiles on sale in 2006 which had integrated GPS, most notably Nokia N95.
https://www.mobilegazette.com/retro-2006-13x07x11.htm

Regarding GPS, does each ping contain the GPS location, or is it only something that can be used in real time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:09:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:40:21 AM
HCW is not chief of police. 

How can a PAYG phone be traced?

If anyone has damning evidence on CB then why hasn't he been charged?


I forgot to answer your other question...

Why haven’t the police charged CB yet?

I’m not a PO so can’t answer that, but speaking to friends of mine who are in that line of work it’s clear that HCW wants to throw the book at him. He’s also dealing with a very cunning psychopath who is the epitome of evil. He relishes in sadism and torture, and he appears bright. He knows he’s scuppered, and will now derive pleasure by keeping whatever power he has. Like Ian Brady who refused to say where he buried the little boy he raped and murdered. It made him feel powerful and he gained pleasure by keeping the boy’s mother in permanent pain.

So as he’s a hard nut to crack,  HCW has to outsmart him and play hs cards carefully

And he also needs help, hence his appeals.

It doesn’t help that the Portuguese police are so unhelpful and inept...maybe they don’t like to be embarrassed by the fact they had CB under their nose...

And....he needs to find Maddie’s body.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:20:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 30, 2020, 10:40:47 AM
Yet still no charges, weird innit.  OG don't agree, still a missing persons case, best you liaise the two forces,they obviously are missing a linkman.


Who said OG don’t agree?

They haven’t said anything.

Police forces work differently. You’ve got THREE forces, two of whom are useless IMO, and Scotland Yard seem to be leaving all the donkey work to the Germans. They didn’t even forward the two letters HCW sent to the McCann’s via Scotland Yard!

SY won’t say Madeleine is dead until they have a body, so they’re just keeping quiet. But you can bet your life they know much, much more than the public do. On top of that, as CB is a German National, there isn’t that much they can do our end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:25:03 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:57:02 AM
So we're not longer reliant upon the Met to solve the case? That's probably a good thing after last night's airing of 'Murder in the car park'.


The Met Police dumbed down years ago...

They take ANYONE now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 10:57:19 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/10/police-call-for-ban-on-anonymous-pay-as-you-go-phones


What they’ve omitted to say is that drug dealers use “burners”

They buy a cheap PAYG from, say, Tesco, give a false name and address if asked, pay about £10 in cash; use the phone for just ONE DAY, do their deals making several hundred, then smash the phone to bits and toss all the parts in different locations.

Then next day they buy another.

That’s why when someone wants drugs, say cannabis/cocaine, they have to phone a certain number and are told to wait for a text from a specific number, who then sends a text telling the buyer where to meet them to collect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 30, 2020, 12:35:27 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:20:25 PM

Who said OG don’t agree?

They haven’t said anything.

Police forces work differently. You’ve got THREE forces, two of whom are useless IMO, and Scotland Yard seem to be leaving all the donkey work to the Germans. They didn’t even forward the two letters HCW sent to the McCann’s via Scotland Yard!

SY won’t say Madeleine is dead until they have a body, so they’re just keeping quiet. But you can bet your life they know much, much more than the public do. On top of that, as CB is a German National, there isn’t that much they can do our end.

DCI Mark Cramwell:“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:43:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
...in 2007, when Madeleine McCann went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, the iPhone was still a month away from going on sale. Most people carried basic mobile phones without touchscreens, internet connections and GPS chips.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/03/madeleine-mccann-data-could-investigators-gather-suspects-mobile/

The only way to pinpoint the location of a phone, therefore, was by triangulation. As it's name suggestions, triangulation uses three masts to pinpoint where the phone is.

Afaik there weren't three masts in PdL. There weren't any belonging to the Ocean Club complex either. Firstly because phone masts belong to mobile phone companies and secondly because there was no complex.

Therefore, in my opinion, all that can be said is that a phone was used somewhere near Praia da Luz.


People used the Blackberry years before 2007! And then the iPhone became more popular when it came out.

Surely you’ve heard of the BlackBerry?!

And if you haven’t — it was a Smartphone. You surfed the web, sent emails...everything.

And what do you mean there was no complex in 2007? Whatever are you talking about?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:46:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
...in 2007, when Madeleine McCann went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, the iPhone was still a month away from going on sale. Most people carried basic mobile phones without touchscreens, internet connections and GPS chips.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/03/madeleine-mccann-data-could-investigators-gather-suspects-mobile/

The only way to pinpoint the location of a phone, therefore, was by triangulation. As it's name suggestions, triangulation uses three masts to pinpoint where the phone is.

Afaik there weren't three masts in PdL. There weren't any belonging to the Ocean Club complex either. Firstly because phone masts belong to mobile phone companies and secondly because there was no complex.

Therefore, in my opinion, all that can be said is that a phone was used somewhere near Praia da Luz.

Oh, and “your opinion” Gunit is wrong.

The police have PROOF CB used his phone by the Ocean Club, so I suggest you offer your unqualified “opinion” to the detective working on the case who has categorically stated FACTUAL EVIDENCE.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 30, 2020, 12:35:27 PM
DCI Mark Cramwell:“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.

I don't think the Germans have shared the evidence they have with SY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:51:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
I totally agree, and repeating uninformed information from the press doesn't help matters. That's why I correct it.


How are you in a position to correct things you only have an opinion on?

Much of your claims are completely wrong!

You refuse to believe EXPERTS

You refuse to believe a top police officer who’s factually stated what he’s discovered

You refuse to believe people never had Smartphones prior to 2007, when I myself had one

You refuse to believe ANYTHING that YOU don’t like hearing


Out of interest, what is/was your line of work?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: misty on June 30, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Again, you have made the same mistake. I-Phones were not the first devices to include GPS. Here are some mobiles on sale in 2006 which had integrated GPS, most notably Nokia N95.
https://www.mobilegazette.com/retro-2006-13x07x11.htm

Gunit hasn’t even heard of a Blackberry!

And then she claims she knows everything!

In her opinion, of course.... @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:56:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
I'm more informed than the press are, it seems. A mast belonging to the Ocean Club complex is a rubbish statement, as is the idea of a 'complex'.


You’re more informed than all the police too, aren’t you? @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 30, 2020, 12:08:42 PM
Regarding GPS, does each ping contain the GPS location, or is it only something that can be used in real time?

Yes it does
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 30, 2020, 12:35:27 PM
DCI Mark Cramwell:“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.


God, haven’t you heard of diplomatic relations?

The British Police are going to reveal NOTHING at this stage. Not a thing.

Until they’re given the word they’re not even ALLOWED to say anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 30, 2020, 01:08:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 30, 2020, 12:08:42 PM
Regarding GPS, does each ping contain the GPS location, or is it only something that can be used in real time?

The software installed in the phone would continuously send the GPS location to the carrier so there would be historic data. I'm not sure how long such data is stored, though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
I don't think the Germans have shared the evidence they have with SY


I agree.

I believe they’ve told SY certain things, but as they have little confidence in them and the Portuguese police, who are deliberately hampering investigations, they’re keeping their cards close to their chest.

Besides that, the British Police won’t reveal anything right now, so they’ll just give out a standard “At this stage we’re treating it as a missing person” which is true, Maddie is missing, but they’re not going to add “We’ve been shown evidence that she is dead by the German police”.

They can’t do that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 01:20:16 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:46:16 PM
Oh, and “your opinion” Gunit is wrong.

The police have PROOF CB used his phone by the Ocean Club, so I suggest you offer your unqualified “opinion” to the detective working on the case who has categorically stated FACTUAL EVIDENCE.

You call this FACTUAL EVIDENCE.- Oh my days we think so not yes it does

TV host Liz Hayes then presses the prosecutor on if they can place Christian B at the scene.

He replies: "Yes, we think so."


 there never was a "mast belonging to the Ocean Club".  There is a mast near the water tower
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 01:32:40 PM
Quote from: misty on June 30, 2020, 01:08:52 PM
The software installed in the phone would continuously send the GPS location to the carrier so there would be historic data. I'm not sure how long such data is stored, though.


I need to ask but I think with iCloud it’s indefinitely

Technology is leaping ahead all the time, but I seem to remember someone saying different servers store data for various times. I seem to remember being told it’s usually about 10 years, but it can vary. Some keep it longer, some less.

I suspect from now on it could be kept forever...

I know someone who works for intelligence, but he doesn’t tell me much (I’m too nosy) but he “breaks” into computers and phones for the government — no idea how — so I expect that’s definitely how the German police tracked all CB’s conversations on the dark web when he said “wouldn’t everyone love to steal a little girl and use them and torture them for days”

God, and someone on HERE said they wouldn’t mind having a drink with him!



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on June 30, 2020, 01:40:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
I don't think the Germans have shared the evidence they have with SY
Or they have and it's useless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 01:20:16 PM
You call this FACTUAL EVIDENCE.- Oh my days we think so not yes it does

TV host Liz Hayes then presses the prosecutor on if they can place Christian B at the scene.

He replies: "Yes, we think so."


 there never was a "mast belonging to the Ocean Club".  There is a mast near the water tower


You need to learn how to assimilate information

HCW is a top homicide detective with YEARS of experience.

He can also speak two languages — he’s intelligent and well-educated — but hs English isn’t 100% fluent

But he’s far more knowledgeable than you are, has vastly more superior intelligence about the case than you do, and he’s repeatedly said he’s seen EVIDENCE that Maddie is dead and that he knows how she died. And he’s also said Christian Buerbeck murdered her.

And when he said “yes, I think so” in answer to Liz Hayes question he may have said that deliberately as he’s very, very clever, or it could have even been the fact German is his first language and when translating in your head as you speak, you often use words that aren’t 100% precise. I do it. So I know what I’m talking about.

You’ve simply searched LOOKING for something (which is nothing) because for some reason the McCanns’ annoy you. You have it on your bio. You need to get over it, because in time CN WILL be charged and convicted, and you’ll have to find someone else to take your anger out on. You’ve besmirched Kate and Gerry for years...it’s really not normal. Do you feel OK, usually? I wouldn’t like to think you’re unhappy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 01:58:20 PM
Quote from: The General on June 30, 2020, 01:40:42 PM
Or they have and it's useless.


WW2 ended a long time ago, General...

I know you might still be smarting that they bombed your Bingo Hall just as you were about to shout HOUSE, but it isnt’t Hans Christian Woltor’s fault you lost half a crown  ^*&&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 02:24:49 PM
They haven't got anything just scraping the barrel day in day out.

How many of the so-called suspects is this now?

The phone number they have it seems was in one of these suspects' phone book.

Apparently the Germans have again started in the middle - not at the beginning.

So IMO no abduction is still very much on the table.

Far too much interference by British police.

Judiciary Police admitted to the abduction of the child after “British ambassador's request”

The former Judiciary Police (PJ) coordinator who investigated Maddie's disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral, revealed yesterday on CMTV that the PJ initially admitted the possibility of the abduction of the child following a request by the British ambassador. "The parents should have been treated as suspects from the start. But there were other pressures. It is not for nothing that the then British ambassador went to the site. The director of the Faro PJ [Guilhermino Encarnação] announced that she was abducted after speaking with the ambassador", revealed the former inspector, who considers that the German prosecutor who announced that Christian Brueckner is the main suspect in Maddie's abduction and death "has not yet read the process".



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 02:24:49 PM
They haven't got anything just scraping the barrel day in day out.

How many of the so-called suspects is this now?

The phone number they have it seems was in one of these suspects' phone book.

Apparently the Germans have again started in the middle - not at the beginning.

So IMO no abduction is still very much on the table.

Far too much interference by British police.

Judiciary Police admitted to the abduction of the child after “British ambassador's request”

The former Judiciary Police (PJ) coordinator who investigated Maddie's disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral, revealed yesterday on CMTV that the PJ initially admitted the possibility of the abduction of the child following a request by the British ambassador. "The parents should have been treated as suspects from the start. But there were other pressures. It is not for nothing that the then British ambassador went to the site. The director of the Faro PJ [Guilhermino Encarnação] announced that she was abducted after speaking with the ambassador", revealed the former inspector, who considers that the German prosecutor who announced that Christian Brueckner is the main suspect in Maddie's abduction and death "has not yet read the process".


i think its about time amaral woke up...it sounds like hes having a bit of  a nightmare
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 02:52:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 02:32:14 PM

i think its about time amaral woke up...it sounds like hes having a bit of  a nightmare

You have to admit that the level of Government interference (intervention) was unusual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 02:24:49 PM
They haven't got anything just scraping the barrel day in day out.

How many of the so-called suspects is this now?

The phone number they have it seems was in one of these suspects' phone book.

Apparently the Germans have again started in the middle - not at the beginning.

So IMO no abduction is still very much on the table.

Far too much interference by British police.

Judiciary Police admitted to the abduction of the child after “British ambassador's request”

The former Judiciary Police (PJ) coordinator who investigated Maddie's disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral, revealed yesterday on CMTV that the PJ initially admitted the possibility of the abduction of the child following a request by the British ambassador. "The parents should have been treated as suspects from the start. But there were other pressures. It is not for nothing that the then British ambassador went to the site. The director of the Faro PJ [Guilhermino Encarnação] announced that she was abducted after speaking with the ambassador", revealed the former inspector, who considers that the German prosecutor who announced that Christian Brueckner is the main suspect in Maddie's abduction and death "has not yet read the process".

Everyone knows Amaral’s bonkers and tells lies. IMO

That’s why he got SACKED. IMO

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 03:47:10 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 02:52:44 PM
You have to admit that the level of Government interference (intervention) was unusual.
The abduction was unusual
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 02:32:14 PM

i think its about time amaral woke up...it sounds like hes having a bit of  a nightmare


Amaral got sacked and he’s seething

And what sort of policeman writes a book (a flop, too) denigrating the parents’ whose child was abducted in his little patch in Portugal, and who was unable to find the perpetrator because they lacked the nous, intelligence and know-how?

They didn’t even seal the crime scene off for hours....

He looks a right little rotund morose squirt of a man. The kind of face that looks like it’s been slapped with a frying pan every night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 03:47:10 PM
The abduction was unusual

Not unusual D - Unique.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 30, 2020, 03:56:42 PM

This is all going a bit too far for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 30, 2020, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 03:52:47 PM
Not unusual D - Unique.

No.  Definitely not Unique, as in Never Before.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
I totally agree, and repeating uninformed information from the press doesn't help matters. That's why I correct it.
It’s not uninformed information, it’s information direct from the horse’s mouth, HCW referred to that mast in a TV interview, I saw his lips form the words and everything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 30, 2020, 05:26:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 05:20:51 PM
It’s not uninformed information, it’s information direct from the horse’s mouth, HCW referred to that mast in a TV interview, I saw his lips form the words and everything.
He certainly did... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q&feature=youtu.be&t=593 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q&feature=youtu.be&t=593)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 03:52:47 PM
Not unusual D - Unique.
I used the word unusual to mirror the post I responded to... The abduction was unique... Apart from perhaps Ben Needham
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 05:30:02 PM
Can a McCann sceptic explain to me why the McCanns (who you think are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance) seem reluctant to accept that the Germans have got strong evidence that their daughter died at the hands of CB?  I mean, if this guy is the perfect suspect and everything can be pinned on him why wouldn’t they be reacting more positively to this news as in “so grateful to the Germans for id’ing this suspect, we hope they find enough evidence to charge him and hope that they soon find our daughter’s body so that we can finally gain closure”?  Any explanations please feel free to share.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 03:42:36 PM
Everyone knows Amaral’s bonkers and tells lies. IMO

That’s why he got SACKED. IMO

He has been convicted for telling lies...flase testimony....but words spoken in court...thats a fact


and he was sacked from the investigation...another fact


some sceptics dont seem to want to accept either
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 30, 2020, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 05:26:37 PM
I used the word unusual to mirror the post I responded to... The abduction was unique... Apart from perhaps Ben Needham

So not Unique then, if you don't know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 30, 2020, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 05:30:02 PM
Can a McCann sceptic explain to me why the McCanns (who you think are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance) seem reluctant to accept that the Germans have got strong evidence that their daughter died at the hands of CB?  I mean, if this guy is the perfect suspect and everything can be pinned on him why wouldn’t they be reacting more positively to this news as in “so grateful to the Germans for id’ing this suspect, we hope they find enough evidence to charge him and hope that they soon find our daughter’s body so that we can finally gain closure”?  Any explanations please feel free to share.

Too much egg on too many faces.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 05:53:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 05:30:02 PM
Can a McCann sceptic explain to me why the McCanns (who you think are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance) seem reluctant to accept that the Germans have got strong evidence that their daughter died at the hands of CB?  I mean, if this guy is the perfect suspect and everything can be pinned on him why wouldn’t they be reacting more positively to this news as in “so grateful to the Germans for id’ing this suspect, we hope they find enough evidence to charge him and hope that they soon find our daughter’s body so that we can finally gain closure”?  Any explanations please feel free to share.

Can a McCann sceptic explain to me why the McCanns (who you think are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance) seem reluctant to accept that the Germans have got strong evidence that their daughter died at the hands of CB?



Well I can step forward to answer that for myself VS seeing you ask so nicely'

I am 100% the mccs are involved so in my mind how can I think its him

I have been following this case on and off 13 years. If it wasn't for me not being convinced it was them I would have been gone long ago, I don't come on here for fun.

Been on here for seven years, I have very early on tried to think of them as innocent but it never lasted very long.

I have thought there is something more to it, people in higher places IMO do not want the mccs to ever be guilty of being involved.

Okay, he is a vile person who no one cares I suppose if he lives or dies.  But what will you think if he ends up dead with the concrete evidence being hearsay and he is then branded the abductor?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 05:30:02 PM
Can a McCann sceptic explain to me why the McCanns (who you think are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance) seem reluctant to accept that the Germans have got strong evidence that their daughter died at the hands of CB?  I mean, if this guy is the perfect suspect and everything can be pinned on him why wouldn’t they be reacting more positively to this news as in “so grateful to the Germans for id’ing this suspect, we hope they find enough evidence to charge him and hope that they soon find our daughter’s body so that we can finally gain closure”?  Any explanations please feel free to share.

Maybe because they know CB won't be charged with anything.............because he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 05:53:25 PM
Can a McCann sceptic explain to me why the McCanns (who you think are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance) seem reluctant to accept that the Germans have got strong evidence that their daughter died at the hands of CB?



Well I can step forward to answer that for myself VS seeing you ask so nicely'

I am 100% the mccs are involved so in my mind how can I think its him

I have been following this case on and off 13 years. If it wasn't for me not being convinced it was them I would have been gone long ago, I don't come on here for fun.

Been on here for seven years, I have very early on tried to think of them as innocent but it never lasted very long.

I have thought there is something more to it, people in higher places IMO do not want the mccs to ever be guilty of being involved.

Okay, he is a vile person who no one cares I suppose if he lives or dies.  But what will you think if he ends up dead with the concrete evidence being hearsay and he is then branded the abductor?

In that hypothetical situation it seems based on your and your fellow sceptics thinking it would be very fair to say that he hasnt been cleared and he hasnt been proven innocent and of course that abduction is 100% certain .

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 06:12:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 05:54:30 PM
Maybe because they know CB won't be charged with anything.............because he didn't do it.

And a defence lawyer would surely ask Dr Perlin to make a more conclusive account of DNA samples previously tested by the FSS.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 06:04:25 PM
In that hypothetical situation it seems based on your and your fellow sceptics thinking it would be very fair to say that he hasnt been cleared and he hasnt been proven innocent and of course that abduction is 100% certain .

No D I stated if you read properly It is my reason.. mine - me - mwah, nothing to do with fellow skeptics

The rest I don't follow what you mean
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:15:06 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 05:53:25 PM
Can a McCann sceptic explain to me why the McCanns (who you think are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance) seem reluctant to accept that the Germans have got strong evidence that their daughter died at the hands of CB?



Well I can step forward to answer that for myself VS seeing you ask so nicely'

I am 100% the mccs are involved so in my mind how can I think its him

I have been following this case on and off 13 years. If it wasn't for me not being convinced it was them I would have been gone long ago, I don't come on here for fun.

Been on here for seven years, I have very early on tried to think of them as innocent but it never lasted very long.

I have thought there is something more to it, people in higher places IMO do not want the mccs to ever be guilty of being involved.

Okay, he is a vile person who no one cares I suppose if he lives or dies.  But what will you think if he ends up dead with the concrete evidence being hearsay and he is then branded the abductor?
All very fascinating but sadly you didn’t answer the question.  Never mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:15:44 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 05:54:30 PM
Maybe because they know CB won't be charged with anything.............because he didn't do it.
That really doesn’t make much sense but thanks for trying. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:22:47 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 06:12:06 PM
And a defence lawyer would surely ask Dr Perlin to make a more conclusive account of DNA samples previously tested by the FSS.


Especially when in TOTL GA stated he wished he had never sent the results to Birmingham FSS

Then IIRC the B/lab was deeply criticized for cases it had botched up.

The FSS suffered damage to its reputation following the failure to recover blood stains from a shoe in the murder of Damilola Taylor.[5] Further damage occurred when the FSS failed to use the most up-to-date techniques for extracting DNA sample

GA SNIP

As for the English authorities, Amaral believes that they too "are looking for paedophiles who fit in the abduction theory, without however proving that there has been an abduction".

The cadaver dogs, brought by the British authorities, detected blood in the house, but that evidence was eventually depreciated. "The English laboratory wrecked the results", said Gonçalo Amaral, who reproaches the laboratory technician of expressing opinions about the results.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:15:44 PM
That really doesn’t make much sense but thanks for trying.

Ok I'll break it down a little.

You asked...

Can a McCann sceptic explain to me why the McCanns (who you think are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance) seem reluctant to accept that the Germans have got strong evidence that their daughter died at the hands of CB?

Answer:  Maybe because they don't have strong evidence?

"Operation Grange Statement: June 19, 2020
The Met received one letter from the BKA on 12 June, which was passed to the family. The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor."


Then you ask:

"I mean, if this guy is the perfect suspect and everything can be pinned on him why wouldn’t they be reacting more positively to this news as in “so grateful to the Germans for id’ing this suspect, we hope they find enough evidence to charge him and hope that they soon find our daughter’s body so that we can finally gain closure”?

Answer: They know he won't be charged with anything so why would they waste their breath.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:14:06 PM
No D I stated if you read properly It is my reason.. mine - me - mwah, nothing to do with fellow skeptics

The rest I don't follow what you mean

I'll try and make it simpler.

If he isnt charged or dies it doesnt mean he didnt do it. He hasn't been cleared and he hasn't been proved to be innocent. I will still think 100% he was involved

Is that better
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:29:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:15:06 PM
All very fascinating but sadly you didn’t answer the question.  Never mind.

Well surely if I don't believe the abduction - I don't believe CB is responsible

does that answer it. VS

You didn't answer mine - if he died tomorrow would you still think he was the abductor on what you know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 30, 2020, 06:30:10 PM
I hope you all realise that none of your protestations will make a scrap of difference.  So perhaps you could all cool it a bit and not get quite so carried away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 06:31:12 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:22:47 PM

Especially when in TOTL GA stated he wished he had never sent the results to Birmingham FSS

Then IIRC the B/lab was deeply criticized for cases it had botched up.

The FSS suffered damage to its reputation following the failure to recover blood stains from a shoe in the murder of Damilola Taylor.[5] Further damage occurred when the FSS failed to use the most up-to-date techniques for extracting DNA sample

GA SNIP

As for the English authorities, Amaral believes that they too "are looking for paedophiles who fit in the abduction theory, without however proving that there has been an abduction".

The cadaver dogs, brought by the British authorities, detected blood in the house, but that evidence was eventually depreciated. "The English laboratory wrecked the results", said Gonçalo Amaral, who reproaches the laboratory technician of expressing opinions about the results.

Never mind what GA says. Listen to Dr Perlin. His methods have been tested in court cases. He has excellent forensic science credentials and he states he can separate out the individual contributors in the samples using the digital data that OG have confirmed they still have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:32:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 06:23:57 PM
Ok I'll break it down a little.

You asked...

Can a McCann sceptic explain to me why the McCanns (who you think are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance) seem reluctant to accept that the Germans have got strong evidence that their daughter died at the hands of CB?

Answer:  Maybe because they don't have strong evidence?

"Operation Grange Statement: June 19, 2020
The Met received one letter from the BKA on 12 June, which was passed to the family. The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor."


Then you ask:

"I mean, if this guy is the perfect suspect and everything can be pinned on him why wouldn’t they be reacting more positively to this news as in “so grateful to the Germans for id’ing this suspect, we hope they find enough evidence to charge him and hope that they soon find our daughter’s body so that we can finally gain closure”?

Answer: They know he won't be charged with anything so why would they waste their breath.
But the police have stated publicly that there is strong evidence and that they are convinced they have their man, so why would the McCanns know in advance that he won’t be charged? Even if he isn’t charged the assumption will be that the reason he wasn’t was because the police were unable to get any stronger evidence on him. It doesn’t mean he would be in the clear and the suspicion it was him will linger forever.  And yet the McCanns are refusing to play along with this, if they are guilty that makes no sense, he is after all “the perfect scapegoat”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:29:55 PM
Well surely if I don't believe the abduction - I don't believe CB is responsible

does that answer it. VS

You didn't answer mine - if he died tomorrow would you still think he was the abductor on what you know.
No because I didn’t ask you that question.  Go back and re-read my post.
As for your question I don’t see that his dying or living would make any difference to my opinion, why should it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 06:25:38 PM
I'll try and make it simpler.

If he isnt charged or dies it doesnt mean he didnt do it. He hasn't been cleared and he hasn't been proved to be innocent. I will still think 100% he was involved

Is that better

You’re entitled to your opinion. But legally anyone (McCs or the German paedophile) are presumed innocent until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 06:37:45 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:22:47 PM

Especially when in TOTL GA stated he wished he had never sent the results to Birmingham FSS

Then IIRC the B/lab was deeply criticized for cases it had botched up.

The FSS suffered damage to its reputation following the failure to recover blood stains from a shoe in the murder of Damilola Taylor.[5] Further damage occurred when the FSS failed to use the most up-to-date techniques for extracting DNA sample

GA SNIP

As for the English authorities, Amaral believes that they too "are looking for paedophiles who fit in the abduction theory, without however proving that there has been an abduction".

The cadaver dogs, brought by the British authorities, detected blood in the house, but that evidence was eventually depreciated. "The English laboratory wrecked the results", said Gonçalo Amaral, who reproaches the laboratory technician of expressing opinions about the results.


The FSS was a very large organisation and not surprisingly made errors but on the whole it was a world leader in its field. It was the FSS who established LCN DNA and also familial DNA which has also been resonsible for solving some seious crimes. The FSS was closed for financial reasons...it was sprivatised and if you have followed whats happened the private firms who have taken over have had lots of problems. Mark Perlin is on record praising the work of the FSS

You seem to think amaral is some kind of authority on forensic evidence...judging by what he has said about the dog alerts and the dna results he obviosly  isnt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:38:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 06:25:38 PM
I'll try and make it simpler.

If he isnt charged or dies it doesnt mean he didnt do it. He hasn't been cleared and he hasn't been proved to be innocent. I will still think 100% he was involved

Is that better

It is but then we are back to square one as in yours hasn't been cleared -  and neither has mine. IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 06:35:24 PM
You’re entitled to your opinion. But legally anyone (McCs or the German paedophile) are presumed innocent until proven otherwise.
Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though (as sceptics love to keep bang on about), so nor will this chap be - ever if it never comes to court and if no one else is found guilty of the crime. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 30, 2020, 06:39:51 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:22:47 PM

Especially when in TOTL GA stated he wished he had never sent the results to Birmingham FSS

Then IIRC the B/lab was deeply criticized for cases it had botched up.

The FSS suffered damage to its reputation following the failure to recover blood stains from a shoe in the murder of Damilola Taylor.[5] Further damage occurred when the FSS failed to use the most up-to-date techniques for extracting DNA sample

GA SNIP

As for the English authorities, Amaral believes that they too "are looking for paedophiles who fit in the abduction theory, without however proving that there has been an abduction".

The cadaver dogs, brought by the British authorities, detected blood in the house, but that evidence was eventually depreciated. "The English laboratory wrecked the results", said Gonçalo Amaral, who reproaches the laboratory technician of expressing opinions about the results.

In the same interview GA blamed the English dogs, brought to Portugal at the request of Kate & Gerry, for contaminating the  same evidence he said should never have been sent to FSS. Yet without the dogs, there wouldn't have been any forensics suggestive of Madeleine's blood or DNA.
Now we have the involvement of an unbiased German police force, with no political undertones, seeking to solve the case based on previously unknown evidence and Amaral is still living in 2007. The Germans have enough on their hands right now, which may or may not be linked to CB & his treasure trove. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-investigating-30000-potential-suspects-in-pedophile-probe/a-53984249
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 06:41:01 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:38:22 PM
It is but then we are back to square one as in yours hasn't been cleared -  and neither has mine. IMO

Does it matter what square we are on...who cares
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:38:26 PM
Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though (as sceptics love to keep bang on about), so nor will this chap be - ever if it never comes to court and if no one else is found guilty of the crime.

Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though

So do you think its 50/50.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 06:35:24 PM
You’re entitled to your opinion. But legally anyone (McCs or the German paedophile) are presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

perhaps you should tell that to the portuguese Supreme Court
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:43:12 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:42:11 PM
Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though

So do you think its 50/50.
Do I think what is 50/50?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 06:42:11 PM
Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though

So do you think its 50/50.

no ...100% Breukner...just as you think its 100% the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:32:24 PM
But the police have stated publicly that there is strong evidence and that they are convinced they have their man, so why would the McCanns know in advance that he won’t be charged? Even if he isn’t charged the assumption will be that the reason he wasn’t was because the police were unable to get any stronger evidence on him. It doesn’t mean he would be in the clear and the suspicion it was him will linger forever.  And yet the McCanns are refusing to play along with this, if they are guilty that makes no sense, he is after all “the perfect scapegoat”.

Q: "But the police have stated publicly that there is strong evidence and that they are convinced they have their man, so why would the McCanns know in advance that he won’t be charged?"

A: Because he didn't do it.


Q: Even if he isn’t charged the assumption will be that the reason he wasn’t was because the police were unable to get any stronger evidence on him. It doesn’t mean he would be in the clear and the suspicion it was him will linger forever.  And yet the McCanns are refusing to play along with this, if they are guilty that makes no sense, he is after all “the perfect scapegoat”.


A: If people believe that CB murdered Maddie, who's going to donate to their search fund?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:45:39 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 06:43:51 PM
Q: "But the police have stated publicly that there is strong evidence and that they are convinced they have their man, so why would the McCanns know in advance that he won’t be charged?"

A: Because he didn't do it.


Q: Even if he isn’t charged the assumption will be that the reason he wasn’t was because the police were unable to get any stronger evidence on him. It doesn’t mean he would be in the clear and the suspicion it was him will linger forever.  And yet the McCanns are refusing to play along with this, if they are guilty that makes no sense, he is after all “the perfect scapegoat”.


A: If people believe that CB murdered Maddie, who's going to donate to their search fund?
Nobody is donating to a search fund now, but you think the reason thr McCanns don’t want to be cleared of thiscrime once and for all is so that they ca. solicit more funds to spend on detectives for a daughter they know is on a rubbish tip somewhere?  And this makes sense how exactly?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:45:39 PM
Nobody is donating to a search fund now, but you think the reason thr McCanns don’t want to be cleared of thiscrime once and for all is so that they ca. solicit more funds to spend on detectives for a daughter they know is on a rubbish tip somewhere?  And this makes sense how exactly?

The McCanns don't need to be cleared of anything, they are innocent until proven guilty (but that doesn't mean they didn't do it).

And is it true that nobody is donating to their fund?
I haven't seen their accounts so I wouldn't know what they're spending the money on. It could be flights to far flung countries under the guise of searching for all I know, or care.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
The McCanns don't need to be cleared of anything, they are innocent until proven guilty (but that doesn't mean they didn't do it).

And is it true that nobody is donating to their fund?
I haven't seen their accounts so I wouldn't know what they're spending the money on. It could be flights to far flung countries under the guise of searching for all I know, or care.
Are they actively soliciting funds through social media, adverts in the paper, interviews on the telly?  If not then I would suggest that nobody is donating to their fund, and why would they be?  Everyone knows that this is a live police investigation costing upwards of £12 million.  The idea that the McCanns would reject the “perfect scapegoat” in order to start up a renewed appeal for funds in the future which would have to be spent on actually searching (for a daughter you believe they know is dead anyway) is absurd in the extreme and I think you know it really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 07:03:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:57:02 PM
Are they actively soliciting funds through social media, adverts in the paper, interviews on the telly?  If not then I would suggest that nobody is donating to their fund, and why would they be?  Everyone knows that this is a live police investigation costing upwards of £12 million.  The idea that the McCanns would reject the “perfect scapegoat” in order to start up a renewed appeal for funds in the future which would have to be spent on actually searching (for a daughter you believe they know is dead anyway) is absurd in the extreme and I think you know it really.

Last time I looked there was still a donate function on their web page.

It also states there:  The full objects of the Fund are:

To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;

To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.

If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.

................

3) To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.

Seems a bit vague to me, I mean if they needed new trainers or the shed roof needs re-felting they could just use the fund money by the sounds of it.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 07:27:40 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 07:03:17 PM
Last time I looked there was still a donate function on their web page.

It also states there:  The full objects of the Fund are:

To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;

To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.

If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.

................

3) To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.

Seems a bit vague to me, I mean if they needed new trainers or the shed roof needs re-felting they could just use the fund money by the sounds of it.
Well if you have any evidence that they are still soliciting and receiving funds which they are using for re-felting the shed roof or new trainers than feel free to present it here.  Personally I think you realise you’re writing a load of delflecting rubbish because you know that if the McCanns truly were guilty they would be only too delighted to endorse a banged-up already paedo as the iiller of their daughter.  If they want more money for the shed roof they can sell themselves to OK magazine for a 24 page spread, or Kate can write a new couple of chapters of the book and re-promote that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 07:27:40 PM
Well if you have any evidence that they are still soliciting and receiving funds which they are using for re-felting the shed roof or new trainers than feel free to present it here.  Personally I think you realise you’re writing a load of delflecting rubbish because you know that if the McCanns truly were guilty they would be only too delighted to endorse a banged-up already paedo as the iiller of their daughter.  If they want more money for the shed roof they can sell themselves to OK magazine for a 24 page spread, or Kate can write a new couple of chapters of the book and re-promote that.

Have the McCanns ever endorsed any of the long list of suspects we've had over the years?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 07:29:51 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 11:35:19 AM

Yes, a PAYG, like any other mobile phone can be traced; it’s always been that way, too.

All telephone companies keep track of all their phones they sell and if police want intelligence from then the company is obliged to share that data.

All phones, regardless of whether they’re PAYG work off masts

And every phone contains at least one unique serial number, and sometimes might contain two or three or even more. They have IMEI too. Then there’s the SIM identity too...

So, all the time, whether you are making a call or not, your phone is “talking’” to phone masts and broadcasting this information. It is an easy thing for the telephone company and therefore the police to match a phone call you make or a text message you send with the phone you used and its location.


Police can ALSO trace where that phone/SIM/both were bought.

When you buy a phone, even if you pay cash for it, almost certainly the cashier in the store will scan it, and also scan not just its UPC code, but also its unique IMEI/ESN number code, too. And even if they didn’t, the company that supplied the phones to that retailer has a record of the IMEIs of all the phones they sold to each and every store worldwide.

Of course, you also leave another trace every time you top your phone up with additional credit...

There’s another thing as well. If you leave a voice message there is a recording of your voice somewhere (BB watches more than people realise) and that can start to be matched against other voice recordings “on file’” at various intelligence  agencies which the police have privy to.

Another way of uncovering your identity is what else you used that phone for. What numbers did your phone number call? What numbers did you receive calls from? Which numbers did you send/receive text messages with? What types of websites did you visit? All the details of all your usage of that phone is stored and can be discovered by the police.

The police can even quickly do a data-filter search to find what other phones have followed you around! What other phones you have been close to, precisely when and how often...

Obviously, they’re only going to track/trace big criminals/suspects (such as CB) and people like, say, terrorists. But make no mistake: they can trace ANYONE. They’re not going to bother with some stupid troll, but if it is a serious matter such as suspected murder or a high-priority national security, then they can do all of this, and throw computing power at the problem like you wouldn’t believe.

So all this nonsense that CB could say it wasn’t his phone is utter rubbish.

He has left a trace whether he realises it or not.




I didn’t realise Hans Christian Wolton wasn’t chief of police, I wrongly thought he was. He certainly deserves to be one day — his determination and intelligence shines through!

A PAYG phone can be purchased today, let alone 2007, without ID for cash.  All features can be disabled meaning it is possible for criminals to make/receive calls and text only and the only electronic footprint is the cell mast calls/texts are routed through.

IMEI numbers etc are irrelevant when the dentifying numbers are not recorded against users which they're not with PAYG cash purchases. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2020, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 07:29:51 PM
A PAYG phone can be purchased today, let alone 2007, without ID for cash.  All features can be disabled meaning it is possible for criminals to make/receive calls and text only and the only electronic footprint is the cell mast calls/texts are routed through.

IMEI numbers etc are irrelevant when the dentifying numbers are not recorded against users which they're not with PAYG cash purchases.

Is the phone attributed to CB a  payg or is it in his name
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 07:38:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 07:37:21 PM
Is the phone attributed to CB a  payg or is it in his name

No idea.  I was just responding to ISpy's post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 07:40:23 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:33:34 PM

What they’ve omitted to say is that drug dealers use “burners”

They buy a cheap PAYG from, say, Tesco, give a false name and address if asked, pay about £10 in cash; use the phone for just ONE DAY, do their deals making several hundred, then smash the phone to bits and toss all the parts in different locations.

Then next day they buy another.

That’s why when someone wants drugs, say cannabis/cocaine, they have to phone a certain number and are told to wait for a text from a specific number, who then sends a text telling the buyer where to meet them to collect.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg605162#msg605162
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 30, 2020, 07:43:40 PM

You can't do this in France.  You can't even purchase a new Sim Card without Identity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 07:46:48 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 11:50:26 AM
There quite possibly were.

Even data isn’t updated online as frequently as some people assume, but authorities have it.

It’s like, say, Google Earth. If you put your postcode in and look at your house you may see a photo that’s maybe two years old, but they have satellites scanning images all the time, including cars updating ground images. But they only update them online every so many years.

Who's they?

Even if authorities are collecting such data whether they can use it in a court of law is entirely a different matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 30, 2020, 07:53:31 PM
Quote from: misty on June 30, 2020, 06:39:51 PM
In the same interview GA blamed the English dogs, brought to Portugal at the request of Kate & Gerry, for contaminating the  same evidence he said should never have been sent to FSS. Yet without the dogs, there wouldn't have been any forensics suggestive of Madeleine's blood or DNA.
Now we have the involvement of an unbiased German police force, with no political undertones, seeking to solve the case based on previously unknown evidence and Amaral is still living in 2007. The Germans have enough on their hands right now, which may or may not be linked to CB & his treasure trove. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-investigating-30000-potential-suspects-in-pedophile-probe/a-53984249
I totally agree. Also, Kate and Gerry were advised by Danie Krugel to bring in the dogs. GA was out of his depth and he pulled the blame-game. German authorities have nothing to prove/lose with Madeleine’s disappearance. They obviously found significant evidence, relating to Madeleine, in their search for Inga Gehricke. In my mother tongue, it is called ‘die geluk by die ongeluk’ which loosely translates to  ‘fortune with the misfortune’. Ps. Danie lives approximately 5 kms from me. I have met him once and his ‘device’ used in PdL, has since been patented.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 12:09:34 PM

I forgot to answer your other question...

Why haven’t the police charged CB yet?

I’m not a PO so can’t answer that, but speaking to friends of mine who are in that line of work it’s clear that HCW wants to throw the book at him. He’s also dealing with a very cunning psychopath who is the epitome of evil. He relishes in sadism and torture, and he appears bright. He knows he’s scuppered, and will now derive pleasure by keeping whatever power he has. Like Ian Brady who refused to say where he buried the little boy he raped and murdered. It made him feel powerful and he gained pleasure by keeping the boy’s mother in permanent pain.

So as he’s a hard nut to crack,  HCW has to outsmart him and play hs cards carefully

And he also needs help, hence his appeals.

It doesn’t help that the Portuguese police are so unhelpful and inept...maybe they don’t like to be embarrassed by the fact they had CB under their nose...

And....he needs to find Maddie’s body.

The Met has been at it for 7 years, with millions at its disposal, and got nowhere.  Hardly surprising when it has been unable to solve high profile cases literally on its doorstep eg murder of Jill Dando and Daniel Morgan. 

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 30, 2020, 07:59:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 30, 2020, 07:43:40 PM
You can't do this in France.  You can't even purchase a new Sim Card without Identity.
The same applies in South Africa. For many years now, pay-as-you-go sim cards have to be registered where one has to provide id and proof of residence. Otherwise, the service provider/s will not activate a sim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: misty on June 30, 2020, 01:08:52 PM
The software installed in the phone would continuously send the GPS location to the carrier so there would be historic data. I'm not sure how long such data is stored, though.

I don't believe that's correct Misty.  Firstly it depends on the phones capability.  Secondly it depends on what the user chooses to disable/enable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 08:07:19 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2020, 07:29:29 PM
Have the McCanns ever endorsed any of the long list of suspects we've had over the years?
No, but then none has been as perfect as this one, or receivas much worldwide attention.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 30, 2020, 08:07:36 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 30, 2020, 07:59:25 PM
The same applies in South Africa. For many years now, pay-as-you-go sim cards have to be registered where one has to provide id and proof of residence. Otherwise, the service provider/s will not activate a sim.


I'm sure there'll be a way round that for those who want an unregistered sim
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 06:31:12 PM
Never mind what GA says. Listen to Dr Perlin. His methods have been tested in court cases. He has excellent forensic science credentials and he states he can separate out the individual contributors in the samples using the digital data that OG have confirmed they still have.

What was the outcome with this case?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15922335
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 30, 2020, 08:12:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 30, 2020, 08:07:36 PM

I'm sure there'll be a way round that for those who want an unregistered sim
Of course. But it is not the norm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 08:14:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 30, 2020, 06:37:45 PM

The FSS was a very large organisation and not surprisingly made errors but on the whole it was a world leader in its field. It was the FSS who established LCN DNA and also familial DNA which has also been resonsible for solving some seious crimes. The FSS was closed for financial reasons...it was sprivatised and if you have followed whats happened the private firms who have taken over have had lots of problems. Mark Perlin is on record praising the work of the FSS

You seem to think amaral is some kind of authority on forensic evidence...judging by what he has said about the dog alerts and the dna results he obviosly  isnt.

3.3.1 Following some high profile quality failures in the 1980s the FSS implemented accreditation to quality standards from 1993 onwards, a world first for forensic science. The present FSS in-house quality framework goes well beyond the basic requirements of ISO17025 and is in close accord with the FSR’s forthcoming Codes. Indeed, before closure was announced the FSS were planning to act as a test-bed for compliance to this code later this year.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmsctech/writev/forensic/m61.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 30, 2020, 08:15:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 30, 2020, 08:12:16 PM
Of course. But it is not the norm.

We are not talking the norm, we are tailing about criminals or at least those with dodgy intent who want anonymity
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 08:19:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 30, 2020, 07:43:40 PM
You can't do this in France.  You can't even purchase a new Sim Card without Identity.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/10/police-call-for-ban-on-anonymous-pay-as-you-go-phones
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 30, 2020, 07:59:25 PM
The same applies in South Africa. For many years now, pay-as-you-go sim cards have to be registered where one has to provide id and proof of residence. Otherwise, the service provider/s will not activate a sim.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/10/police-call-for-ban-on-anonymous-pay-as-you-go-phones
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 30, 2020, 08:26:12 PM
Obviously in 2007, which is when we are talking about, it was easy peasy to get hold of unregistered phones
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 30, 2020, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 30, 2020, 08:15:08 PM
We are not talking the norm, we are tailing about criminals or at least those with dodgy intent who want anonymity
Since this man is described as a psychopath, he may well have been using a payg phone with registered details?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 09:13:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 06:38:26 PM
Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though (as sceptics love to keep bang on about), so nor will this chap be - ever if it never comes to court and if no one else is found guilty of the crime.

You don’t need to be cleared if you’ve never been charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 30, 2020, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 09:13:49 PM
You don’t need to be cleared if you’ve never been charged.

That is correct.  Worth bearing in mind that the McCanns were never charged and the two of them together would never ever approach the volume and sick making content of Brueckers known rap sheet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 10:19:05 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 30, 2020, 09:13:49 PM
You don’t need to be cleared if you’ve never been charged.
You don’t say.  Where were you every time a sceptic tweeted or posted that the McCanns had not been cleared of involvement in their child’s disappearance as if they were still the chief suspects?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 30, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11995367/madeleine-mccan-suspect-bungled-rape-case/

CATALOGUE OF ERRORS Madeleine McCann suspect could have been caught two years BEFORE she vanished – but Portuguese cops bungled case
Nick Parker
30 Jun 2020, 22:00Updated: 30 Jun 2020, 22:04

MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian B could have been nailed two years before she vanished — but Portuguese police blundered over evidence in a rape case.

Clothes and rope from a villa where Christian B raped a US woman in 2005 were not DNA tested, so he was not caught until 2017.
The villa is a short stroll from the Praia da Luz apartment where Madeleine was snatched in May 2007.

The case was mothballed amid a catalogue of errors by Portuguese police with the attacker still at large.

Christian B, 43, was finally arrested over the rape in 2017 and convicted in December after ­German police reinvestigated and did DNA tests on a sample of body hair from the villa.

The villa, called Casa Jacaranda, was only a ten-minute stroll from the apartment in Praia da Luz where Madeleine, three, was snatched in May 2007.


After her disappearance Portuguese police failed to seal off the McCann family holiday apartment for almost 24 hours.

It led to a crime scene contamination by up to 50 people. Cleaners washed bed sheets and ash from officers’ cigarettes was found in evidence samples. The 2005 rape inquiry was abandoned after just five months.

A red T-shirt which was ripped up by the attacker and stuffed in his victim’s mouth was not DNA tested. Neither was nylon rope used to tie her hands.

Official documents show Carlos Farinha, then Director of the Judicial Police’s Forensic Science Laboratory, wrote in a letter dated November 28, 2009: “We have learned by telephone that the examination is no longer necessary.

“We are therefore cancelling the tests and returning the material sent to us for analysis.”

Three weeks ago German cops said they have evidence Madeleine is dead and identified Christian B as the prime suspect in her abduction.

Kate and Gerry McCann say they have not been officially told there is evidence their daughter is dead.

German prosecutors are now convinced the mistakes made by Portuguese police in the 2005 rape case left child sex offender Christian B free to snatch Madeleine.

Drug dealer Christian B emerged as a possible suspect in the rape after a former friend told German police he had shown off a video of a sex attack.

Earlier this month it was revealed evidence linking Christian B to a 2005 sex attack on a ­ten-year-old British girl could also be gathering dust in Portuguese police stores.

==============================================================

You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. Is it PJ incompetence, a xenophobic attitude towards foreign victims of crime or something far more sinister?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 11:00:20 PM
Time for Holly to trot out more examples of Brit police incompetence methinks!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:04:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 10:19:05 PM
You don’t say.  Where were you every time a sceptic tweeted or posted that the McCanns had not been cleared of involvement in their child’s disappearance as if they were still the chief suspects?

It was claimed by them that they had been. It was claimed in the libel trial that the archiving dispatch was a legal decision equal to an acquital. The Supreme Court said it wasn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 30, 2020, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2020, 05:20:51 PM
It’s not uninformed information, it’s information direct from the horse’s mouth, HCW referred to that mast in a TV interview, I saw his lips form the words and everything.


Gunit refuses to listen...

Strange
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2020, 11:36:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2020, 11:04:44 PM
It was claimed by them that they had been. It was claimed in the libel trial that the archiving dispatch was a legal decision equal to an acquital. The Supreme Court said it wasn't.
And?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 01, 2020, 12:57:52 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 30, 2020, 07:53:31 PM
I totally agree. Also, Kate and Gerry were advised by Danie Krugel to bring in the dogs. GA was out of his depth and he pulled the blame-game. German authorities have nothing to prove/lose with Madeleine’s disappearance. They obviously found significant evidence, relating to Madeleine, in their search for Inga Gehricke. In my mother tongue, it is called ‘die geluk by die ongeluk’ which loosely translates to  ‘fortune with the misfortune’. Ps. Danie lives approximately 5 kms from me. I have met him once and his ‘device’ used in PdL, has since been patented.

Both you and Amaral are wrong. The dogs were nothing to do with the parents but where brought in at the suggestion of the British, Mark Harrison I believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 01, 2020, 01:15:36 AM
Quote from: misty on June 30, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11995367/madeleine-mccan-suspect-bungled-rape-case/

CATALOGUE OF ERRORS Madeleine McCann suspect could have been caught two years BEFORE she vanished – but Portuguese cops bungled case
Nick Parker
30 Jun 2020, 22:00Updated: 30 Jun 2020, 22:04

MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian B could have been nailed two years before she vanished — but Portuguese police blundered over evidence in a rape case.

Clothes and rope from a villa where Christian B raped a US woman in 2005 were not DNA tested, so he was not caught until 2017.
The villa is a short stroll from the Praia da Luz apartment where Madeleine was snatched in May 2007.

The case was mothballed amid a catalogue of errors by Portuguese police with the attacker still at large.

Christian B, 43, was finally arrested over the rape in 2017 and convicted in December after ­German police reinvestigated and did DNA tests on a sample of body hair from the villa.

The villa, called Casa Jacaranda, was only a ten-minute stroll from the apartment in Praia da Luz where Madeleine, three, was snatched in May 2007.


After her disappearance Portuguese police failed to seal off the McCann family holiday apartment for almost 24 hours.

It led to a crime scene contamination by up to 50 people. Cleaners washed bed sheets and ash from officers’ cigarettes was found in evidence samples. The 2005 rape inquiry was abandoned after just five months.

A red T-shirt which was ripped up by the attacker and stuffed in his victim’s mouth was not DNA tested. Neither was nylon rope used to tie her hands.

Official documents show Carlos Farinha, then Director of the Judicial Police’s Forensic Science Laboratory, wrote in a letter dated November 28, 2009: “We have learned by telephone that the examination is no longer necessary.

“We are therefore cancelling the tests and returning the material sent to us for analysis.”

Three weeks ago German cops said they have evidence Madeleine is dead and identified Christian B as the prime suspect in her abduction.

Kate and Gerry McCann say they have not been officially told there is evidence their daughter is dead.

German prosecutors are now convinced the mistakes made by Portuguese police in the 2005 rape case left child sex offender Christian B free to snatch Madeleine.

Drug dealer Christian B emerged as a possible suspect in the rape after a former friend told German police he had shown off a video of a sex attack.

Earlier this month it was revealed evidence linking Christian B to a 2005 sex attack on a ­ten-year-old British girl could also be gathering dust in Portuguese police stores.

==============================================================

You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. Is it PJ incompetence, a xenophobic attitude towards foreign victims of crime or something far more sinister?

I suppose it’s more interesting than the Sun’s McCann story of the day today in which we are informed that Kate may be one of the first of the faithful after lockdown to attend the local Catholic church to pray.....except they forgot Leicester is still locked down. Heaven knows what delights they have in store for us in the coming days......Gerry has to take some slacks back to M&S, then changes his mind....the McCann’s postman continues to bring them their mail, even during the lockdown......oh the excitement of it all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 01, 2020, 02:16:43 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 01, 2020, 01:15:36 AM
I suppose it’s more interesting than the Sun’s McCann story of the day today in which we are informed that Kate may be one of the first of the faithful after lockdown to attend the local Catholic church to pray.....except they forgot Leicester is still locked down. Heaven knows what delights they have in store for us in the coming days......Gerry has to take some slacks back to M&S, then changes his mind....the McCann’s postman continues to bring them their mail, even during the lockdown......oh the excitement of it all.

Here's a random but interesting fact for you. Insp. Jorge Reis & Insp. Carlos Pimenta, who respectively took statements from the American & Irish rape victims, both worked on Madeleine's case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 07:53:38 AM
Quote from: misty on June 30, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11995367/madeleine-mccan-suspect-bungled-rape-case/

CATALOGUE OF ERRORS Madeleine McCann suspect could have been caught two years BEFORE she vanished – but Portuguese cops bungled case
Nick Parker
30 Jun 2020, 22:00Updated: 30 Jun 2020, 22:04

MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian B could have been nailed two years before she vanished — but Portuguese police blundered over evidence in a rape case.

Clothes and rope from a villa where Christian B raped a US woman in 2005 were not DNA tested, so he was not caught until 2017.
The villa is a short stroll from the Praia da Luz apartment where Madeleine was snatched in May 2007.

The case was mothballed amid a catalogue of errors by Portuguese police with the attacker still at large.

Christian B, 43, was finally arrested over the rape in 2017 and convicted in December after ­German police reinvestigated and did DNA tests on a sample of body hair from the villa.

The villa, called Casa Jacaranda, was only a ten-minute stroll from the apartment in Praia da Luz where Madeleine, three, was snatched in May 2007.


After her disappearance Portuguese police failed to seal off the McCann family holiday apartment for almost 24 hours.

It led to a crime scene contamination by up to 50 people. Cleaners washed bed sheets and ash from officers’ cigarettes was found in evidence samples. The 2005 rape inquiry was abandoned after just five months.

A red T-shirt which was ripped up by the attacker and stuffed in his victim’s mouth was not DNA tested. Neither was nylon rope used to tie her hands.

Official documents show Carlos Farinha, then Director of the Judicial Police’s Forensic Science Laboratory, wrote in a letter dated November 28, 2009: “We have learned by telephone that the examination is no longer necessary.

“We are therefore cancelling the tests and returning the material sent to us for analysis.”

Three weeks ago German cops said they have evidence Madeleine is dead and identified Christian B as the prime suspect in her abduction.

Kate and Gerry McCann say they have not been officially told there is evidence their daughter is dead.

German prosecutors are now convinced the mistakes made by Portuguese police in the 2005 rape case left child sex offender Christian B free to snatch Madeleine.

Drug dealer Christian B emerged as a possible suspect in the rape after a former friend told German police he had shown off a video of a sex attack.

Earlier this month it was revealed evidence linking Christian B to a 2005 sex attack on a ­ten-year-old British girl could also be gathering dust in Portuguese police stores.

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You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. Is it PJ incompetence, a xenophobic attitude towards foreign victims of crime or something far more sinister?

Do you think The Sun is a reliable source Misty? 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/mar/20/dailyexpress.dailystar

I transcribed info from BKA website and the rest is hearsay imo.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 07:56:08 AM
Quote from: misty on July 01, 2020, 02:16:43 AM
Here's a random but interesting fact for you. Insp. Jorge Reis & Insp. Carlos Pimenta, who respectively took statements from the American & Irish rape victims, both worked on Madeleine's case.

Then we have this...

Portuguese police 'failed to DNA test evidence in 2005 rape case which could have led to capture of Madeleine McCann prime suspect two years before British girl's disappearance'


No wonder theres no evidence against Breukner.

What another absolute disgrace. To keep things in perspective if sceptics want to post stories of UK police they think justifies this then only cases directly associated with the case should be cited
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 07:57:36 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 07:53:38 AM
Do you think The Sun is a reliable source Misty? 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/mar/20/dailyexpress.dailystar

I transcribed info from BKA website and the rest is hearsay imo.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327

What is fact is there does not sem to be any DNA kept from teh Irish case...why not
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:05:30 AM
Quote from: misty on July 01, 2020, 02:16:43 AM
Here's a random but interesting fact for you. Insp. Jorge Reis & Insp. Carlos Pimenta, who respectively took statements from the American & Irish rape victims, both worked on Madeleine's case.

Here's a random but interesting fact for you, at one time or another Commander Simon Foy of the MET has presided over the following cases:

- Murder of Daniel Morgan (1987) - 30 million - case unsolved.

- Murder of Jill Dando (1999) - (cost unknown) - case unsolved.

- Disappearance of Madeleine McCann (2007/2013 actively involved)  - cost 12/13 million - case unsolved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 08:08:55 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:05:30 AM
Here's a random but interesting fact for you, at one time or another Commander Simon Foy of the MET has presided over the following cases:

- Murder of Daniel Morgan (1987) - 30 million - case unsolved.

- Murder of Jill Dando (1999) - (cost unknown) - case unsolved.

- Disappearance of Madeleine McCann (2007/2013 actively involved)  - cost 12/13 million - case unsolved.

You need to compare like with like....we only know about the failures in teh PJ connected to the maddie case...there could be many mnay more. In order to compare like with like you should only raise failings directly related to teh present investigation. If the PJ had tested DNA at the rape cases it may well be Maddie would not have been abducted and killed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:10:28 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 07:57:36 AM
What is fact is there does not sem to be any DNA kept from teh Irish case...why not

You are using the words 'fact' and 'seem' together? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:13:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 08:08:55 AM
You need to compare like with like....we only know about the failures in teh PJ connected to the maddie case...there could be many mnay more. In order to compare like with like you should only raise failings directly related to teh present investigation. If the PJ had tested DNA at the rape cases it may well be Maddie would not have been abducted and killed

I am comparing like for like in that SF has presided over 3 high profile cases, costing tax-payers 000's, all of which remain unsolved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 08:13:26 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:10:28 AM
You are using the words 'fact' and 'seem' together?

My post is perfectly good english
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 08:14:14 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:13:05 AM
I am comparing like for like in that SF has presided over 3 high profile cases, costing tax-payers 000's, all of which remain unsolved.
Perhaps it’s time to start rubbishing the German police as it’s their theory we are discussing on this thread?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 08:14:36 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:13:05 AM
I am comparing like for like in that SF has presided over 3 high profile cases, costing tax-payers 000's, all of which remain unsolved.

To compare like with like you need to give us comparsble data from the PJ... Go ahead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:18:32 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 08:14:36 AM
To compete like with like you need to give us vomparsble data from the PJ... Go ahead

You guys need to supply the data I'm not the one slating PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 08:22:18 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:18:32 AM
You guys need to supply the data I'm not the one slating PJ.

Irish rape case unsolved
american rape case unsolved
madeleine mccann case unsolved.

Do you not understand we know about SY cases because we live in the UK...we know pretty well everything about SY ...we dont know everything about the PJ...the small selection we do know about shows no dna collected...police officers receiving criminal conviction..and thats just cases connected to the Maddie case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 08:23:47 AM
it appears to me the PJ keep their spending down by not investigating properly....by obtaining confessions by beating...and if that doesnt work...they give up...three cases we know about
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:27:55 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 08:13:26 AM
My post is perfectly good english

Nothing to do with English. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 08:22:18 AM
Irish rape case unsolved
american rape case unsolved
madeleine mccann case unsolved.

Do you not understand we know about SY cases because we live in the UK...we know pretty well everything about SY ...we dont know everything about the PJ...the small selection we do know about shows no dna collected...police officers receiving criminal conviction..and thats just cases connected to the Maddie case

Go do some digging then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 01, 2020, 08:14:14 AM
Perhaps it’s time to start rubbishing the German police as it’s their theory we are discussing on this thread?

Best tell that that to those who rubbish PJ then. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 08:31:35 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:27:55 AM
Nothing to do with English.

theres absolutely nothing wrong with my post...if you cannot understand it thats your problem...not mine

there is absolutely nothing wrong with using fact and seem in the same sentence. Its  a fact you seem not to understand that. Is it nitpicking time..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 01, 2020, 08:36:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 08:23:47 AM
it appears to me the PJ keep their spending down by not investigating properly....by obtaining confessions by beating...and if that doesnt work...they give up...three cases we know about

It seems to me that The PJ don't have a brain between them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 08:36:35 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:31:26 AM
Best tell that that to those who rubbish PJ then.
Why?  I’m telling it to you because you’re determined to convince us that the PJ are great and that the currently investigstion is rubbish, so you need to start concentrating on rubbishing the Germans to make your strawman point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:42:50 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 01, 2020, 08:36:35 AM
Why?  I’m telling it to you because you’re determined to convince us that the PJ are great and that the currently investigstion is rubbish, so you need to start concentrating on rubbishing the Germans to make your strawman point.

Please direct me to a post I've made trying to convince anyone the PJ are great? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 01, 2020, 08:44:01 AM
Topic please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 01, 2020, 08:49:41 AM
Was it this week the suspect was supposed to hear if his parole is granted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 01, 2020, 08:52:01 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 01, 2020, 08:44:01 AM
Topic please.

Good One.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:09:32 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 08:22:18 AM
Irish rape case unsolved
american rape case unsolved
madeleine mccann case unsolved.

Do you not understand we know about SY cases because we live in the UK...we know pretty well everything about SY ...we dont know everything about the PJ...the small selection we do know about shows no dna collected...police officers receiving criminal conviction..and thats just cases connected to the Maddie case
Another crass and meaningless example, as per usual from the master of hyperbole. The overwhelming majority of rape cases go unresolved, unfortunately, and the UK are just about as bad as any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:09:32 AM
Another crass and meaningless example, as per usual from the master of hyperbole. The overwhelming majority of rape cases go unresolved, unfortunately, and the UK are just about as bad as any.

You should judge my post in context...thats a basic tenet.

The criticism I have of these two cases isnt simply that they are unsolved its the pathetic lack of evidence collected by the PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 10:20:50 AM
You should judge my post in context...thats a basic tenet.

The criticism I have of these two cases isnt simply that they are unsolved its the pathetic lack of evidence collected by the PJ.
Show me a cite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
Quote from: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:25:26 AM
Show me a cite.

i'm quiyte happy to provide cites but if i do will you kindly apologise for your previous critical post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
i'm quiyte happy to provide cites but if i do will you kindly apologise for your previous critical post.
No, because it's still fallacious.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
No.

then its pointless my providing cites..but i will for the first....what do you think of this one..

Portuguese police 'failed to DNA test evidence in 2005 rape case which could have led to capture of Madeleine McCann suspect two years BEFORE her disappearance'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8477199/Police-failed-DNA-test-evidence-led-capture-Maddies-prime-suspect.html

so the portuguese abandoned the case that the germans eventually solved and prosecuted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:33:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 10:31:10 AM
then its pointless my providing cites..but i will for the first....what do you think of this one..

Portuguese police 'failed to DNA test evidence in 2005 rape case which could have led to capture of Madeleine McCann suspect two years BEFORE her disappearance'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8477199/Police-failed-DNA-test-evidence-led-capture-Maddies-prime-suspect.html
It's the Daily Mail, Dav, do I really need to open that link and get Computer Ebola? Is there a link inside the link to the source?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 01, 2020, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:33:07 AM
It's the Daily Mail, Dav, do I really need to open that link and get Computer Ebola? Is there a link inside the link to the source?

Its in a secret vault.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 10:37:12 AM
Quote from: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:33:07 AM
It's the Daily Mail, Dav, do I really need to open that link and get Computer Ebola? Is there a link inside the link to the source?

The source seems to be the SUN. Enough said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:38:17 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 01, 2020, 10:33:54 AM
Its in a secret vault.
Under the decaying corpse of a German Shepherd called Lothar (a dog, not an actual German Shepherd).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 01, 2020, 10:39:23 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 10:37:12 AM
The source seems to be the SUN. Enough said.
I can't go there, I'm afraid. I'd get my head kicked in if the lads knew I'd visited that $%£^ hole of a site.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 01, 2020, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 01, 2020, 08:36:02 AM
It seems to me that The PJ don't have a brain between them.

Did you know that ordinary British policemen say such things about the Metropolitan Police? Comedian Alfie Moore, an ex Sc..thorpe policeman often refers to the Met Police's shortcomings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp4CvTTrR1I
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 01, 2020, 11:01:54 AM
Did you know that ordinary British policemen say such things about the Metropolitan Police? Comedian Alfie Moore, an ex Sc..thorpe policeman often refers to the Met Police's shortcomings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp4CvTTrR1I

Mark Rowley.. a grammar school boy who graduated from Cambridge
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 01, 2020, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 01, 2020, 10:33:54 AM
Its in a secret vault.

In this secret vault is also traffic pertaining to the number OG are seeking interest in,cause it ain't logged in the pj files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 01, 2020, 11:53:03 AM
Always worth revisiting some of the trass from the press,this current "new" suspect is treated the same.

Parallels?.


Madeleine McCann 'kidnapper' was 'hotel worker who snatched her after being sacked then DIED in tractor accident'


Officers have already quizzed his widow about their suspicions and are thought to be searching for Madeleine's body in the belief he may have killed her, the newspaper reported.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-hotel-worker-2655757
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 01, 2020, 11:53:03 AM
Always worth revisiting some of the trass from the press,this current "new" suspect is treated the same.

Parallels?.


Madeleine McCann 'kidnapper' was 'hotel worker who snatched her after being sacked then DIED in tractor accident'


Officers have already quizzed his widow about their suspicions and are thought to be searching for Madeleine's body in the belief he may have killed her, the newspaper reported.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-hotel-worker-2655757

Just one several Patsies  that didn't ultimately pass  the credibility test
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 01, 2020, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 12:01:10 PM
Just one several Patsies  that didn't ultimately pass  the credibility test

A month after the revelation this "new" one was the guy, its looking the same.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 01, 2020, 12:46:10 PM

The topic of the thread is ... "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance". Please stay on topic, thank you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 01:45:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 01, 2020, 11:01:54 AM
Did you know that ordinary British policemen say such things about the Metropolitan Police? Comedian Alfie Moore, an ex Sc..thorpe policeman often refers to the Met Police's shortcomings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp4CvTTrR1I

That's very funny  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 01:46:42 PM
4 weeks on and even the tabloids appear to be tiring.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 01:52:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 01:46:42 PM
4 weeks on and even the tabloids appear to be tiring.

Well they're going to have to find some patience because it takes a long time to take someone to trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 01, 2020, 01:56:20 PM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 01:52:34 PM
Well they're going to have to find some patience because it takes a long time to take someone to trial.
Well, Holmes, they've managed to eek out a decent revenue line for 13 years, so maybe the game isn't as afoot as was first asserted.

And if they even charge CB with this I'll donate my remaining kidney to a worthy recipient. You can take that to the bank.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 01:52:34 PM
Well they're going to have to find some patience because it takes a long time to take someone to trial.

Not so long for a charge though if enough evidence can be found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: The General on July 01, 2020, 01:56:20 PM
Well, Holmes, they've managed to eek out a decent revenue line for 13 years, so maybe the game isn't as afoot as was first asserted.

And if they even charge CB with this I'll donate my remaining kidney to a worthy recipient. You can take that to the bank.

Look for many reasons it may prove difficult to charge him. Point is it's a long process.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
Not so long for a charge though if enough evidence can be found.

Yes but that in itself takes time. The recent German appeal for information, for example, elicited a significant public response, and all that information needs to be gone through. That alone could be a lengthy endeavour and it's only one aspect of what would be involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 02:04:13 PM
Look for many reasons it may prove difficult to charge him. Point is it's a long process.

Not least because he might not be involved which is what it suggests if its proving difficult to charge him..

The Met claim to have been working on this for a couple of years and have done a "huge amount of work".  Three police forces are involved over 3 jurisdictions. I'm surprised the FBI haven't been invited to join in since one of its citizens is now said to be one of CB's victims.

“The Met conducted a number of enquiries and in November 2017 engaged with the BKA who agreed to work with the Met.

“Since then a huge amount of work has taken place by both the Met, the BKA and the Polícia Judiciária.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 02:24:32 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
Not least because he might not be involved which is what it suggests if its proving difficult to charge him..

The Met claim to have been working on this for a couple of years and have done a "huge amount of work".  Three police forces are involved over 3 jurisdictions. I'm surprised the FBI haven't been invited to join in since one of its citizens is now said to be one of CB's victims.

“The Met conducted a number of enquiries and in November 2017 engaged with the BKA who agreed to work with the Met.

“Since then a huge amount of work has taken place by both the Met, the BKA and the Polícia Judiciária.

He may not be involved...or he may.

A lot of work has indeed taken place... and there is much more still to be done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 02:30:52 PM
When faced with a large number of leads, do detectives normally prioritise according to probability, or just start at the beginning and steadily work through the pile of leads ?

The reason I ask is because I'm puzzle as to why they have  only relatively recently got to this guy, given that he is the hot-shot number one suspect ?

If he was such a strong candidate, why wasn't he dealt with at at the beginning of the inquiry ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 02:24:32 PM
He may not be involved...or he may.

A lot of work has indeed taken place... and there is much more still to be done.

Hopefully the Met isn't putting all its eggs in one basket and becoming tunnel visioned.  Or worse still its going to result in an innocent (of this crime) man going to prison.  He might have previous but whether or not he committed this crime is a different matter.

An appeal was made re two tel numbers and two vehicles one of which was a Jag.  Which Jag are the public on the look out for: Burgundy or Black?

See bottom of link:

http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 02:42:50 PM
Hopefully the Met isn't putting all its eggs in one basket and becoming tunnel visioned.  Or worse still its going to result in an innocent (of this crime) man going to prison.  He might have previous but whether or not he committed this crime is a different matter.

An appeal was made re two tel numbers and two vehicles one of which was a Jag.  Which Jag are the public on the look out for: Burgundy or Black?

See bottom of link:

http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826

I think there's only ever been room for one egg in the basket - and it's called stranger abductor
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 02:49:38 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 02:30:52 PM
When faced with a large number of leads, do detectives normally prioritise according to probability, or just start at the beginning and steadily work through the pile of leads ?

The reason I ask is because I'm puzzle as to why they have  only relatively recently got to this guy, given that he is the hot-shot number one suspect ?

If he was such a strong candidate, why wasn't he dealt with at at the beginning of the inquiry ?

Exactly.  It makes no sense at all that a sleepy coastal community on the Algarve with a population of some 3.5k with this guy in everyone's midst and yet somehow slipped under the radar!

At one time some 80 MET officers were assigned to the case.  Its been running for some 7 years at a cost of 12/13 million and this is the end result  *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 01, 2020, 03:07:37 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 02:49:38 PM
Exactly.  It makes no sense at all that a sleepy coastal community on the Algarve with a population of some 3.5k with this guy in everyone's midst and yet somehow slipped under the radar!

At one time some 80 MET officers were assigned to the case.  Its been running for some 7 years at a cost of 12/13 million and this is the end result  *%87


Makes you wonder what have they been spending the money on...when it seems the Germans are making all the appeals.

Wonder if the SY will still be getting more money - seeing CB is supposed to be there man
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 03:10:32 PM
Population of PDL is 3.5k.

MET officers assigned to case at peak is 80.

3.5k/80 = 43.75 residents per officer.  Meaning every resident could potentially have been interviewed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 03:13:47 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 01, 2020, 03:07:37 PM

Makes you wonder what have they been spending the money on...when it seems the Germans are making all the appeals.

Wonder if the SY will still be getting more money - seeing CB is supposed to be there man

Yes I was wandering whether further funds will be forthcoming.  Since they've only recently secured another tranche I guess we'll have to wait until next year!  (^&&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 01, 2020, 03:15:20 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 03:10:32 PM
Population of PDL is 3.5k.

MET officers assigned to case at peak is 80.

3.5k/80 = 43.75 residents per officer.  Meaning every resident could potentially have been interviewed.

Have the police ever confirmed his name?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 03:16:23 PM
I think that OG are not quite up to speed.

It was the Germans that announced that Madeleine was dead, even though OG were sitting on the fence -( well what else could they do without upsetting the McCanns), but the Germans went ahead and still made the announcement, and apparently without giving much thought to the McCanns .
They don't appear to have given any thought to the Portuguese either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 01, 2020, 03:15:20 PM
Have the police ever confirmed his name?

No.  Afaik against the law to do so. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 03:20:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 01, 2020, 03:15:20 PM
Have the police ever confirmed his name?

No, German police had actually said very little, though it managed to set the cat among the pigeons.  Media frenzy has provided the rest, much of which seems unconfirmed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 03:21:24 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 03:10:32 PM
Population of PDL is 3.5k.

MET officers assigned to case at peak is 80.

3.5k/80 = 43.75 residents per officer.  Meaning every resident could potentially have been interviewed.

Would they have neded 3.5k Ilors...would them PJ have given permission..would the Pj have agreed to accompany them as Sy are not allowed to ask questions directly...was CB still living there.....
Your ideas get dafter and dafter
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 03:21:56 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-made-call-22282633
On German television tonight.

‘Mr Cerne gave a preview of what will be revealed on Wednesday night's programme.

He told Focus: "The only thing I can say at the moment is that this also includes the telephone number of the Portuguese prepaid card that was called from the German suspect's cellphone’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 01, 2020, 03:23:33 PM
More information about the phone call expected to be revealed on German TV tonight...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-made-call-22282633 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-made-call-22282633)

https://www.focus.de/kultur/kino_tv/rudi-cerne-im-interview-mit-focus-online-habe-eindruck-dass-was-wichtiges-passiert-fall-maddie-erneut-bei-aktenzeichen-xy_id_12160026.html (https://www.focus.de/kultur/kino_tv/rudi-cerne-im-interview-mit-focus-online-habe-eindruck-dass-was-wichtiges-passiert-fall-maddie-erneut-bei-aktenzeichen-xy_id_12160026.html)

Rough translation of the above report...

Just four weeks after the spectacular turning point in the Maddie McCann case, the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) is again a guest on Rudi Cerne's program "Case number XY ... unresolved". The BKA suspects a German of murdering Maddie. FOCUS Online asked the moderator what the show is about.

At the beginning of June, the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY ... unresolved" made a spectacular change in the Maddie case: 13 years after the British girl's disappearance in Portugal, the Federal Criminal Police Office is certain that a German killed the three-year-old. Prosecutors are still lacking sufficient evidence to prosecute Christian B. On Wednesday, July 1st, the program will once again be live on ZDF at 20.15.

FOCUS Online: Mr. Cerne, a month after the spectacular turn of the investigation in the Maddie case, the disappearance of the three-year-old British girl is on the program again. Is there anything new? What will the show be about on July 1st?

Rudi Cerne: The only thing I can say at the moment is that this also includes the telephone number of the Portuguese prepaid card that was called from the suspect's German cell phone. Not even an hour before Maddie left. The call also came from the same place where the little girl was last seen alive, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve.

FOCUS Online: The phone number is known, all media have published it. What's behind it?

Cerne: The principle of “constant drops hollows the stone”. I still remember one of the first file number programs I did in 2004. A little girl had also disappeared there, Levke Straßmann from Cuxhaven. There were also three broadcasts on this case about her disappearance, which could then be solved thanks to numerous pointers.
"Case number XY" on the Maddie case "caused an enormous echo"

FOCUS Online: The investigators are under pressure, because on the one hand they suspected murder, but so far have not provided sufficient evidence to substantiate this suspicion. Sounds like a desperate search for the famous needle in a haystack.

Cerne: I see this very pragmatically and am very excited about what the BKA will report and ask on Wednesday. The show a month ago generated an enormous echo. 18 BKA employees were on the phone and have picked up almost 1000 information from the population. I have the impression that something important is happening now.

FOCUS Online: You have an enormous experience in the presentation of unsolved criminal cases. What exactly makes you so sure?

Cerne: I'm not an investigator. But I know that they work through every single clue, no matter what. If you get the same information over and over again, then listen carefully. That is why they are now looking for public help again. Apparently, this phone number, which was called on the suspect's cell phone shortly before Maddie's disappearance, plays a very large role in the investigation. I could imagine that the BKA needs all information about who owned this prepaid number, who called it, who called it. Every little note counts - and is processed.

FOCUS Online: In 2013 you presented the case to the German public for the first time. At that time, Maddie's parents were there. Did the huge public interest surprise you after the recent turnaround?

Cerne: Indeed, the huge amount of attention surprised me. But I also have to say that this case has generated a very special media interest right from the start. And in 2013, we even had more than 1,000 notices, the first of which arrived before the program even started. This case moves all of Europe.

The program "File number XY ... unresolved" will be broadcast live on ZDF on Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 8:15 p.m.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 03:24:25 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 03:21:56 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-made-call-22282633
On German television tonight.

‘Mr Cerne gave a preview of what will be revealed on Wednesday night's programme.

He told Focus: "The only thing I can say at the moment is that this also includes the telephone number of the Portuguese prepaid card that was called from the German suspect's cellphone’.

Previously  we have been told that it was the suspect who was called
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/30-minute-phone-call-police-22189069
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 01, 2020, 04:03:51 PM
at least they call him the new suspect ...plenty of old ones though.

I believe the phone number was from a notebook IIRC from a previous suspect.

They can't seem to make their minds up who made the call. or whos phone it is.

this will probably be another appeal for information.

He added: "We don't have the body and no parts of the body, but we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann.

An yet they haven't charged him.... what a rigmarole
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 04:14:25 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 02:42:50 PM
Hopefully the Met isn't putting all its eggs in one basket and becoming tunnel visioned.  Or worse still its going to result in an innocent (of this crime) man going to prison.  He might have previous but whether or not he committed this crime is a different matter.

An appeal was made re two tel numbers and two vehicles one of which was a Jag.  Which Jag are the public on the look out for: Burgundy or Black?

See bottom of link:

http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826

Given the  high level of proof required for a murder conviction in Germany (i.e. a body), I think it's more likely that a guilty person would get off than an innocent one be falsely accused.

As for the cars, it looks like the picture with 2 cars is just a stock photo exemplifying the model. A bit confusing though, I agree - echoes of the two side-by-side, totally different looking mugshots released of Smithman!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 04:33:59 PM
Quote from: The General on July 01, 2020, 01:56:20 PM
Well, Holmes, they've managed to eek out a decent revenue line for 13 years, so maybe the game isn't as afoot as was first asserted.

And if they even charge CB with this I'll donate my remaining kidney to a worthy recipient. You can take that to the bank.
I have a family member awaiting a new kidney, I trust I can rely on you to keep to your promise?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 01, 2020, 04:39:20 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 03:21:56 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-made-call-22282633
On German television tonight.

‘Mr Cerne gave a preview of what will be revealed on Wednesday night's programme.

He told Focus: "The only thing I can say at the moment is that this also includes the telephone number of the Portuguese prepaid card that was called from the German suspect's cellphone’.

The phone number OG appealed information on is not in the pj files, so where did they get it from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 04:40:43 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 01, 2020, 03:23:33 PM
More information about the phone call expected to be revealed on German TV tonight...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-made-call-22282633 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-made-call-22282633)

https://www.focus.de/kultur/kino_tv/rudi-cerne-im-interview-mit-focus-online-habe-eindruck-dass-was-wichtiges-passiert-fall-maddie-erneut-bei-aktenzeichen-xy_id_12160026.html (https://www.focus.de/kultur/kino_tv/rudi-cerne-im-interview-mit-focus-online-habe-eindruck-dass-was-wichtiges-passiert-fall-maddie-erneut-bei-aktenzeichen-xy_id_12160026.html)

Rough translation of the above report...

Just four weeks after the spectacular turning point in the Maddie McCann case, the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) is again a guest on Rudi Cerne's program "Case number XY ... unresolved". The BKA suspects a German of murdering Maddie. FOCUS Online asked the moderator what the show is about.

At the beginning of June, the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY ... unresolved" made a spectacular change in the Maddie case: 13 years after the British girl's disappearance in Portugal, the Federal Criminal Police Office is certain that a German killed the three-year-old. Prosecutors are still lacking sufficient evidence to prosecute Christian B. On Wednesday, July 1st, the program will once again be live on ZDF at 20.15.

FOCUS Online: Mr. Cerne, a month after the spectacular turn of the investigation in the Maddie case, the disappearance of the three-year-old British girl is on the program again. Is there anything new? What will the show be about on July 1st?

Rudi Cerne: The only thing I can say at the moment is that this also includes the telephone number of the Portuguese prepaid card that was called from the suspect's German cell phone. Not even an hour before Maddie left. The call also came from the same place where the little girl was last seen alive, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve.

FOCUS Online: The phone number is known, all media have published it. What's behind it?

Cerne: The principle of “constant drops hollows the stone”. I still remember one of the first file number programs I did in 2004. A little girl had also disappeared there, Levke Straßmann from Cuxhaven. There were also three broadcasts on this case about her disappearance, which could then be solved thanks to numerous pointers.
"Case number XY" on the Maddie case "caused an enormous echo"

FOCUS Online: The investigators are under pressure, because on the one hand they suspected murder, but so far have not provided sufficient evidence to substantiate this suspicion. Sounds like a desperate search for the famous needle in a haystack.

Cerne: I see this very pragmatically and am very excited about what the BKA will report and ask on Wednesday. The show a month ago generated an enormous echo. 18 BKA employees were on the phone and have picked up almost 1000 information from the population. I have the impression that something important is happening now.

FOCUS Online: You have an enormous experience in the presentation of unsolved criminal cases. What exactly makes you so sure?

Cerne: I'm not an investigator. But I know that they work through every single clue, no matter what. If you get the same information over and over again, then listen carefully. That is why they are now looking for public help again. Apparently, this phone number, which was called on the suspect's cell phone shortly before Maddie's disappearance, plays a very large role in the investigation. I could imagine that the BKA needs all information about who owned this prepaid number, who called it, who called it. Every little note counts - and is processed.

FOCUS Online: In 2013 you presented the case to the German public for the first time. At that time, Maddie's parents were there. Did the huge public interest surprise you after the recent turnaround?

Cerne: Indeed, the huge amount of attention surprised me. But I also have to say that this case has generated a very special media interest right from the start. And in 2013, we even had more than 1,000 notices, the first of which arrived before the program even started. This case moves all of Europe.

The program "File number XY ... unresolved" will be broadcast live on ZDF on Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 8:15 p.m.

Thanks Myster.

What I'm struggling to understand is that CB lived mainly in Portugal between 1995 - 2007 so why the emphasis on appealing for info on TV shows aired in Germany?  Surely his associates/acquaintances at the time are more likely to have been within the Portuguese community in Portugal? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 04:43:00 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 04:40:43 PM
Thanks Myster.

What I'm struggling to understand is that CB lived mainly in Portugal between 1995 - 2007 so why the emphasis on appealing for info on TV shows aired in Germany?  Surely his associates/acquaintances at the time are more likely to have been within the Portuguese community in Portugal?

Perhaps the Germans are looking at the bigger picture &  Madeleine is only a part of their investigations
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 01, 2020, 04:50:11 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 01, 2020, 03:07:37 PM

Makes you wonder what have they been spending the money on...when it seems the Germans are making all the appeals.

Wonder if the SY will still be getting more money - seeing CB is supposed to be there man

I thought OG were working together with the Germans and Portuguese.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 03:21:24 PM
Would they have neded 3.5k Ilors...would them PJ have given permission..would the Pj have agreed to accompany them as Sy are not allowed to ask questions directly...was CB still living there.....
Your ideas get dafter and dafter

We are led to believe the Met and PJ were/are working collaboratively.  Doesn't matter if CB slipped through the net in terms of an interview, if enough others talked about a "twisted loner".  Since his name has been bandied about in the press all manner of people have crawled out the woodwork to have a pop.  Why didn't these people seize the moment 13 years ago? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 04:54:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 02:30:52 PM
When faced with a large number of leads, do detectives normally prioritise according to probability, or just start at the beginning and steadily work through the pile of leads ?

The reason I ask is because I'm puzzle as to why they have  only relatively recently got to this guy, given that he is the hot-shot number one suspect ?

If he was such a strong candidate, why wasn't he dealt with at at the beginning of the inquiry ?
He was.  The PJ knocked on his door but he was out so that was that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 04:58:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 04:43:00 PM
Perhaps the Germans are looking at the bigger picture &  Madeleine is only a part of their investigations

Could be but the authorities will be in a position to know which masts these two calls were routed through.  Since we know the PAYG is a Portuguese number then it surely stands to reason the unidentified caller/receiver was based in Portugal so why air on German TV? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 01, 2020, 04:58:32 PM
....I stated 'worthy recipient'.

(that was a joke, btw, I'm sure your relative is more than deserving.)

You were supposed to show concern as to how I've only got one to give!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: The General on July 01, 2020, 04:58:32 PM
....I stated 'worthy recipient'.

(that was a joke, btw, I'm sure your relative is more than deserving.)

You were supposed to show concern as to how I've only got one to give!
You’ve got two, you’re just trying to be a funny guy. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
We are led to believe the Met and PJ were/are working collaboratively.  Doesn't matter if CB slipped through the net in terms of an interview, if enough others talked about a "twisted loner".  Since his name has been bandied about in the press all manner of people have crawled out the woodwork to have a pop.  Why didn't these people seize the moment 13 years ago?
You would need to ask the pj... It's a Portuguese investigation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 01, 2020, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 01, 2020, 05:01:43 PM
You’ve got two, you’re just trying to be a funny guy.
Thank you.
I do have two as it happens. I'll happily make unfounded, ill-advised, self-deprecating remarks for a laugh, usually with only me laughing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 05:06:30 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 04:58:16 PM
Could be but the authorities will be in a position to know which masts these two calls were routed through.  Since we know the PAYG is a Portuguese number then it surely stands to reason the unidentified caller/receiver was based in Portugal so why air on German TV?
Because they can’t force the PJ to show their programmes?  The Portuguese don’t care anyway, “not more bloody Maddie, the parents dunnit end of”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 05:07:49 PM
Quote from: The General on July 01, 2020, 05:06:01 PM
Thank you.
I do have two as it happens. I'll happily make unfounded, ill-advised, self-deprecating remarks for a laugh, usually with only me laughing.
I don’t have a relative waiting for a new kidney, but she might need another liver soon, so if you can live without that put me down for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 01, 2020, 05:10:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 01, 2020, 05:07:49 PM
I don’t have a relative waiting for a new kidney, but she might need another liver soon, so if you can live without that put me down for it.
I also knew that, but I hedged my bets in case I caused offence and was reported to the police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 05:50:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 01, 2020, 04:54:33 PM
He was.  The PJ knocked on his door but he was out so that was that.

He was looked at again by OG. Perhaps he was out again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 01, 2020, 06:11:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 05:50:10 PM
He was looked at again by OG. Perhaps he was out again

CB was sent a letter by the German police in connection with OG. He failed to comply with the request to give a witness statement. At the time, I'd guess OG didn't know the mobile phone number which prompted this latest line of inquiry was connected to CB in Luz on 3/5/07. The link appears to have been made after his stash was unearthed in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 06:32:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 01, 2020, 04:39:20 PM
The phone number OG appealed information on is not in the pj files, so where did they get it from?
German police, possibly, got it from the buried memory sticks on his property?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 05:50:10 PM
He was looked at again by OG. Perhaps he was out again
Was he still living in PdL at the time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 01, 2020, 06:33:13 PM
Was he still living in PdL at the time?

Ask Misty. She seems to think that the German police sent him a letter, so they must have had his address.

See post 4317
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 06:36:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 06:35:35 PM
Ask Misty. She seems to think that the German police sent him a letter, so they must have had his address.
I’m asking you because you suggested that OG knocked on his door too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 01, 2020, 06:36:33 PM
I’m asking you because you suggested that OG knocked on his door too.

I was being sarcastic -  in case it passed you by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 04:58:16 PM
Could be but the authorities will be in a position to know which masts these two calls were routed through.  Since we know the PAYG is a Portuguese number then it surely stands to reason the unidentified caller/receiver was based in Portugal so why air on German TV?
Because he is a German citizen, in prison at Kiel Germany? Broadcasts and translations thereof, are available within hours. Public interest is at its highest, I think, so citizens of all countries will read about this within hours of broadcast. And will respond.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 06:48:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 06:37:54 PM
I was being sarcastic -  in case it passed you by.
Were you?  Really??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 01, 2020, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 06:38:01 PM
Because he is a German citizen, in prison at Kiel Germany? Broadcasts and translations thereof, are available within hours. Public interest is at its highest, I think, so citizens of all countries will read about this within hours of broadcast. And will respond.

The press report said the unidentified number was a pre-paid phone card. This may indicate that it was purchased by a foreign tourist - possibly German? - when they arrived at the airport.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: misty on July 01, 2020, 06:50:42 PM
The press report said the unidentified number was a pre-paid phone card. This may indicate that it was purchased by a foreign tourist - possibly German? - when they arrived at the airport.
That is a very interesting observation, Misty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 06:54:02 PM
That is a very interesting observation, Misty.
Back in 2007, the easiest was to get a payg phone since the roaming option, at the time, was extremely expensive. We were in Cyprus during that year and we did exactly that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 01, 2020, 07:17:14 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 07:04:11 PM
Back in 2007, the easiest was to get a payg phone since the roaming option, at the time, was extremely expensive. We were in Cyprus during that year and we did exactly that.

My daughter & her then bf went to Turkey around 2009/10. They bought pre-paid Sim cards from Orange to use when they were over there because, as you said, it was a much cheaper option than roaming charges.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 01, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
A known drug dealer talks to another contact on a prepaid phone. The Germans may get a drug bust out of this lead because it has nothing to do with MM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 01, 2020, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 01, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
A known drug dealer talks to another contact on a prepaid phone. The Germans may get a drug bust out of this lead because it has nothing to do with MM.
Says who?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 01, 2020, 08:04:33 PM
I do as will be proven when the hiding Smithman is revealed!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:05:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 05:04:27 PM
You would need to ask the pj... It's a Portuguese investigation

So what has the Met spent 12/13 million on?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 08:07:31 PM
https://www.zdf.de/gesellschaft/aktenzeichen-xy-ungeloest/madeleine-mccann-xy-3-juni-2020-100.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 08:08:15 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:05:01 PM
So what has the Met spent 12/13 million on?

Solving the case hopefully.  The initial part is what cost the most...40k pieces of informatuion translated and reviewed by detectives...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 01, 2020, 08:09:04 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:05:01 PM
So what has the Met spent 12/13 million on?

Eliminating all and sundry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:10:58 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 06:38:01 PM
Because he is a German citizen, in prison at Kiel Germany? Broadcasts and translations thereof, are available within hours. Public interest is at its highest, I think, so citizens of all countries will read about this within hours of broadcast. And will respond.

But at the time of MM's disappearance he had been living in/around PDL for 12 years so chances are the call was from a Portuguese national or at least someone living in Portugal so why not air on Portuguese TV and/or put on PJ website?

You do realise the appeal is on BKA and MET websites but not PJ's? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:13:13 PM
Quote from: misty on July 01, 2020, 06:50:42 PM
The press report said the unidentified number was a pre-paid phone card. This may indicate that it was purchased by a foreign tourist - possibly German? - when they arrived at the airport.

Do you mean unidentified caller?  The number is on MET website? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2020, 08:16:30 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:10:58 PM
But at the time of MM's disappearance he had been living in/around PDL for 12 years so chances are the call was from a Portuguese national or at least someone living in Portugal so why not air on Portuguese TV and/or put on PJ website?

You do realise the appeal is on BKA and MET websites but not PJ's?

Perhaps Portugal consider it to be B/S.

Alternatively the Germans & the Portuguese aren't talking to one another.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2020, 08:17:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 08:16:30 PM
Perhaps Portugal consider it to be B/S.

Alternatively the Germans & the Portuguese aren't talking to one another.
Of course Portugal consider it B/S.  It being proven to be thr German paedo is the last thing they want.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 01, 2020, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 08:07:31 PM
https://www.zdf.de/gesellschaft/aktenzeichen-xy-ungeloest/madeleine-mccann-xy-3-juni-2020-100.html (https://www.zdf.de/gesellschaft/aktenzeichen-xy-ungeloest/madeleine-mccann-xy-3-juni-2020-100.html)
Sprechen sie englisch bitte.  It's at times like this I wish I'd never dropped German at O Level.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 01, 2020, 08:20:01 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 01, 2020, 08:19:02 PM
Sprechen sie englisch bitte.  It's at times like this I wish I'd never dropped German at O Level.


Google translate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 01, 2020, 08:21:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 01, 2020, 08:20:01 PM

Google translate.
For text yes, but for speech?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 01, 2020, 08:22:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 01, 2020, 08:21:47 PM
For text yes, but for speech?

Ah!.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 08:36:22 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 08:10:58 PM
But at the time of MM's disappearance he had been living in/around PDL for 12 years so chances are the call was from a Portuguese national or at least someone living in Portugal so why not air on Portuguese TV and/or put on PJ website?

You do realise the appeal is on BKA and MET websites but not PJ's?
Brückner has been travelling between Germany, Portugal, Spain and Italy. He left PdL shortly after Madeleine disappeared. I have said it before: on 2 May 2007, het told his ex that he has a horrible job to do in PdL the next day and that it will change his life and that she would not see him in the near future. The PJ is under real pressure. That is what I think. So yes, I do realise that it is not on the PJ agenda for now because they are backtracking. Amaral revealed some of this almost a year ago. German police have obviously unearthed something very significant relating to Madeleine and the PJ and Amaral do not like this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 01, 2020, 08:19:02 PM
Sprechen sie englisch bitte.  It's at times like this I wish I'd never dropped German at O Level.
I could follow a bit. German was my 4th language at school, but only for one year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 01, 2020, 08:42:21 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 01, 2020, 08:19:02 PM
Sprechen sie englisch bitte.  It's at times like this I wish I'd never dropped German at O Level.

Is this new or from the third of june
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 01, 2020, 08:48:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 08:42:21 PM
Is this new or from the third of june
It does look as it was from the 3rd June, but an update about the phone call was supposed to have been shown tonight.  Might be reported in the English press tomorrow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 01, 2020, 09:24:04 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 01, 2020, 08:48:13 PM
It does look as it was from the 3rd June, but an update about the phone call was supposed to have been shown tonight.  Might be reported in the English press tomorrow.
Only a very short update report in the first 5 minutes, but still no wiser...

https://www.zdf.de/gesellschaft/aktenzeichen-xy-ungeloest/aktenzeichen-xy-ungeloest-vom-1-juli-2020-100.html (https://www.zdf.de/gesellschaft/aktenzeichen-xy-ungeloest/aktenzeichen-xy-ungeloest-vom-1-juli-2020-100.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 08:36:22 PM
Brückner has been travelling between Germany, Portugal, Spain and Italy. He left PdL shortly after Madeleine disappeared. I have said it before: on 2 May 2007, het told his ex that he has a horrible job to do in PdL the next day and that it will change his life and that she would not see him in the near future. The PJ is under real pressure. That is what I think. So yes, I do realise that it is not on the PJ agenda for now because they are backtracking. Amaral revealed some of this almost a year ago. German police have obviously unearthed something very significant relating to Madeleine and the PJ and Amaral do not like this.

I'm not sure what you mean by travelling between Germany, Portugal, Spain and Italy?  From 1995 - 2007 he spent most of his time in Portugal with short spells in Germany.  If he travelled by rail/road he would pass through Spain and most likely Italy too.

Where are you getting what he supposedly told an ex from?

Amaral is no longer part of PJ.  No reason for the PJ to be uncooperative.  If CB is responsible, I don't think he is, PJ will just blame it on Amaral.  Portugal will just sigh with relief it wasn't one of its own and it can move on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 01, 2020, 10:09:57 PM
Of course the man in charge of the PJ is one of the men who was in charge of the first investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 01, 2020, 10:09:57 PM
Of course the man in charge of the PJ is one of the men who was in charge of the first investigation.

Who is?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned, but I wonder if this mystery phone call has anything to do with the GNR being called out on another job just before calls notifying them of Madeleine's disappearance came in, causing the delay in their arrival at OC?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 01, 2020, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned, but I wonder if this mystery phone call has anything to do with the GNR being called out on another job just before calls notifying them of Madeleine's disappearance came in, causing the delay in their arrival at OC?

I would like to hear a bit more about that.  It has been on my mind for some time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 10:48:51 PM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned, but I wonder if this mystery phone call has anything to do with the GNR being called out on another job just before calls notifying them of Madeleine's disappearance came in, causing the delay in their arrival at OC?

The 'mystery' phone call was made at 7.32 pm and ended 8.02 pm.  The call re MM's disappearance was well after 10.00 pm. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 10:55:58 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 10:48:51 PM
The 'mystery' phone call was made at 7.32 pm and ended 8.02 pm.  The call re MM's disappearance was well after 10.00 pm.

Uh-huh. I wonder what the other job was and when the GNR were called out on that. It could also have been earlier in the evening. There was much discussion on this topic a while back...I must refresh my memory of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 01, 2020, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 10:14:02 PM
Who is?

Luís Neves
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 01, 2020, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 08:08:55 AM
You need to compare like with like....we only know about the failures in teh PJ connected to the maddie case...there could be many mnay more. In order to compare like with like you should only raise failings directly related to teh present investigation. If the PJ had tested DNA at the rape cases it may well be Maddie would not have been abducted and killed

Soz Dave, but I think you are jumping the gun.

I agree about the abduction and CB quite probably being involved …. but then, maybe not.   There are Red Herrings out there IMO.  As far as I have seen there is nothing to indicate that he, or someone, else has killed Madeleine. 

I think that Madeleine is still alive and the master perps want it to become accepted that she is dead.   CB is undoubtedly a nasty piece of work, but he talked about doing a dirty job and then having a load of money …. and he would be away for a while. 

I think that CB is the Master abductors PATSY; he was easy to frame.   With Madeleine globally accepted as dead the perps can relax and use her as they always planned, unimpeded.  She is part of a family now, I believe, and probably much loved as their daughter, but with something in mind for later … or even nowish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 01, 2020, 11:40:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 01, 2020, 08:36:02 AM
It seems to me that The PJ don't have a brain between them.

Oh I think there are some good brains and a fair number of honest hard working PJ Policemen.  Trouble is that the hard working honest ones are overwhelmed by the sometimes dishonest ones and the "Old School" ones, who seem to hold senior positions in the PJ

Soz to disagree, Elli.

Ya know, it is almost as though there is a senior group in place in the PJ who only select Officers for promotion who are Old school … so the old school, pre revolution, fascist bullying etc. habits carry on ad-infinitim
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 11:55:52 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 01, 2020, 11:03:22 PM
Luís Neves

Sounds a moderniser/reformer

https://www.dn.pt/edicao-do-dia/30-mai-2020/nao-e-saudavel-para-a-democracia-que-os-corruptos-demorem-a-ser-julgados-12256468.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 01, 2020, 11:59:42 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 02:49:38 PM
Exactly.  It makes no sense at all that a sleepy coastal community on the Algarve with a population of some 3.5k with this guy in everyone's midst and yet somehow slipped under the radar!

At one time some 80 MET officers were assigned to the case.  Its been running for some 7 years at a cost of 12/13 million and this is the end result  *%87

IMO, It makes one wonder if someone senior in the PJ was protecting him ?   Why ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 02, 2020, 12:03:33 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 01, 2020, 03:07:37 PM

Makes you wonder what have they been spending the money on...when it seems the Germans are making all the appeals.

Wonder if the SY will still be getting more money - seeing CB is supposed to be there man

But is he ?   Or is he some master traffickers patsy ?  With his evil background and inability to defend himself in prison, has he been set up by them ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 12:03:40 AM
Quote from: sadie on July 01, 2020, 11:40:16 PM
Oh I think there are some good brains and a fair number of honest hard working PJ Policemen.  Trouble is that the hard working honest ones are overwhelmed by the sometimes dishonest ones and the "Old School" ones, who seem to hold senior positions in the PJ

Soz to disagree, Elli.

Ya know, it is almost as though there is a senior group in place in the PJ who only select Officers for promotion who are Old school … so the old school, pre revolution, fascist bullying etc. habits carry on ad-infinitim

The days of Amaral are long gone along with his burgeoning waistline.

https://www.dn.pt/edicao-do-dia/30-mai-2020/nao-e-saudavel-para-a-democracia-que-os-corruptos-demorem-a-ser-julgados-12256468.html

Much of the criticism imo stems from prejudices about North European countries, particularly G7 members, being superior to their Southern counterparts. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 12:08:37 AM
Quote from: sadie on July 02, 2020, 12:03:33 AM
But is he ?   Or is he some master traffickers patsy ?  With his evil background and inability to defend himself in prison, has he been set up by them ?

I agree it all sounds very odd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 02, 2020, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
No. Afaik against the law to do so. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327

And could that be his get out of jail card ?  Who gave out his name originally ?  Was it Amaral ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 03:33:21 AM

I'm talking about the phone call that took the GNR out to investigate a fake burglary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 02, 2020, 07:07:15 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 12:03:40 AM
The days of Amaral are long gone along with his burgeoning waistline.

https://www.dn.pt/edicao-do-dia/30-mai-2020/nao-e-saudavel-para-a-democracia-que-os-corruptos-demorem-a-ser-julgados-12256468.html

Much of the criticism imo stems from prejudices about North European countries, particularly G7 members, being superior to their Southern counterparts.
Burgeoning waistline?  Are you sure?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 02, 2020, 07:43:04 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 10:14:02 PM
Who is?

Luis Neves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 07:47:39 AM
Quote from: sadie on July 02, 2020, 12:03:33 AM
But is he ?   Or is he some master traffickers patsy ?  With his evil background and inability to defend himself in prison, has he been set up by them ?

I do agree Sadie    In my opinion CB has been set up.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 07:52:15 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 07:47:39 AM
I do agree Sadie  In my opinion CB has been set up.

Who by....its  a ridiculous idea...who do you think has set him up....or are you just believing what anaral says

Do you think the Germans are in on the ridiculous theory amaral suggests
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 02, 2020, 08:10:24 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 03:33:21 AM
I'm talking about the phone call that took the GNR out to investigate a fake burglary.

The GNR were based in Lagos and were called out to Odiaxere. Had they been in Lagos they would have been 13 minute's drive away. It took an extra 3 minutes from Oxiadere. In my opinion an extra 3 minutes is not significant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 08:11:18 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 07:47:39 AM
I do agree Sadie  In my opinion CB has been set up.

you say CB has been set up...you sate it as  afact...it isnt...its an opion with no evidence to support it...its laughable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 07:52:15 AM
Who by....its  a ridiculous idea...who do you think has set him up....or are you just beleiving what anaral says

Do you think the Germans are in on the ridiculous theory amaral suggests


It's not like they have arrested him... and then all this about him has come out is it.

They have known about him for three years...what have they been doing SY in fact what are they doing now.

Seems to be the only ones interested in him is the Germans.

As bad as he is there seem to be hundreds of them about ..600 on there list so he is not unique.

Seeing you always understand evidence D ...what actual evidence do you think they have on him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 08:13:26 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:12:06 AM

It's not like they have arrested him... and then all this about him has come out is it.

They have known about him for three years...what have they been doing SY in fact what are they doing now.

Seems to be the only ones interested in him is the Germans.

As bad as he is there seem to be hundreds of them about ..600 on there list so he is not unique.

Seeing you always understand evidence D ...what actual evidence do you think they have on him.

Im asking you first...you say hes been set up...you state it as  a fact...who has set him up..its  a laughable suggestion


you say hes been set up so you must know by who....lets hear it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:24:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 08:13:26 AM
Im asking you first...you say hes been set up...you state it as  a fact...who has set him up..its  alaughable suggestion


Ye it is laughable I agree...when they are saying they have got him hook line and sinker ..and they haven't.

We know he killed maddie but we have no evidence of it ...it is him we think.. or was it yes we think so

What makes him any different to all the other suspects who have come and gone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 08:26:31 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:24:43 AM

Ye it is laughable I agree...when they are saying they have got him hook line and sinker ..and they haven't.

We know he killed maddie but we have no evidence of it ...it is him we think.. or was it yes we think so

What makes him any different to all the other suspects who have come and gone.

You claim he has been set up...who by..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 02, 2020, 08:27:15 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:24:43 AM

Ye it is laughable I agree...when they are saying they have got him hook line and sinker ..and they haven't.

We know he killed maddie but we have no evidence of it ...it is him we think.. or was it yes we think so

What makes him any different to all the other suspects who have come and gone.
Why didn’t they just set up one of the earlier ones then, and this would all have been done and dusted years ago?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 02, 2020, 08:28:51 AM
Quote from: misty on July 01, 2020, 06:50:42 PM
The press report said the unidentified number was a pre-paid phone card. This may indicate that it was purchased by a foreign tourist - possibly German? - when they arrived at the airport.

Still doesn't explain how they have got the number and why its not shown in the files if it pinged the mast's on 3/05/2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 02, 2020, 08:30:35 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 08:26:31 AM
You claim he has been set up...who by..
and why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 02, 2020, 08:34:57 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:24:43 AM

Ye it is laughable I agree...when they are saying they have got him hook line and sinker ..and they haven't.

We know he killed maddie but we have no evidence of it ...it is him we think.. or was it yes we think so

What makes him any different to all the other suspects who have come and gone.

The German Police have said they can't say yes or no or it would jeopardise the investigation.  They haven't given the UK or the Portuguese the evidence they have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:36:01 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 02, 2020, 08:27:15 AM
Why didn’t they just set up one of the earlier ones then, and this would all have been done and dusted years ago?

You tell me ...you seem to know everything else.

But the thing is everything you do know is what you have read in the media, hearsay, and sauce.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 08:38:41 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:36:01 AM
You tell me ...you seem to know everything else.

But the thing is everything you do know is what you have read in the media, hearsay, and sauce.

you claim he has been set up.....so is the german prosecutor lying when he speaks in english ...outlining the evidence....

so is the German prosecutor lying...your claim is ridiculous
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 08:44:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 02, 2020, 08:10:24 AM
The GNR were based in Lagos and were called out to Odiaxere. Had they been in Lagos they would have been 13 minute's drive away. It took an extra 3 minutes from Oxiadere. In my opinion an extra 3 minutes is not significant.

What time did they leave Portimao and how long did they spend looking for an imaginary burglar?

And who would do a thing like that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:44:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 08:38:41 AM
you claim he has been set up.....so is the german prosecutor lying when he speaks in english ...outlining the evidence....

so is the German prosecutor lying...your claim is ridiculous


Outlining what evidence...what evidence'

Why are you talking it so personal D. ...why are you so bothered about what my claim is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 02, 2020, 08:51:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 08:38:41 AM
you claim he has been set up.....so is the german prosecutor lying when he speaks in english ...outlining the evidence....

so is the German prosecutor lying...your claim is ridiculous

Apologies if Ive missed something but what is the evidence? I’ve only seen circumstantial evidence and hearsay. We’ve had all this before with latest paedophile / burglar suspect in PDL area at the time. I’m afraid you can’t declare him guilty of a crime only on the basis of circumstantial evidence and hearsay. And just for the record - I hope he rots in jail for other offences he’s been convicted of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 02, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:36:01 AM
You tell me ...you seem to know everything else.

But the thing is everything you do know is what you have read in the media, hearsay, and sauce.

Everything you know would be from the same sauce.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:00:28 AM
Quote from: sadie on July 02, 2020, 12:10:14 AM
And could that be his get out of jail card ?  Who gave out his name originally ?  Was it Amaral ?

No official has given his name out publically.  Official statements are here from BKA anf MET websites:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:02:45 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:00:28 AM
No official has given his name out publically.  Official statements are here from BKA anf MET websites:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327

Whether his name has been leaked from an official source or the tabloids have pieced together I don't know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 09:03:25 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 02, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Everything you know would be from the same sauce.


Cause it is because... that is all there is ...


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 02, 2020, 07:07:15 AM
Burgeoning waistline?  Are you sure?

He looks slimmed down in recent images compared to 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:08:22 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 02, 2020, 08:51:07 AM
Apologies if Ive missed something but what is the evidence? I’ve only seen circumstantial evidence and hearsay. We’ve had all this before with latest paedophile / burglar suspect in PDL area at the time. I’m afraid you can’t declare him guilty of a crime only on the basis of circumstantial evidence and hearsay. And just for the record - I hope he rots in jail for other offences he’s been convicted of.

Kizzy claims he is being set up... That's what I'm disputing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:10:48 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:44:38 AM

Outlining what evidence...what evidence'

Why are you talking it so personal D. ...why are you so bothered about what my claim is
I'm not taking anything personal... You are, wrong again.
I'm disputing your claim. You need to put.. Imo... In future.
If he is being set up then the Germans are lying... As, I said... It's a ridiculous claim
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:11:05 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:12:06 AM

It's not like they have arrested him... and then all this about him has come out is it.

They have known about him for three years...what have they been doing SY in fact what are they doing now.

Seems to be the only ones interested in him is the Germans.

As bad as he is there seem to be hundreds of them about ..600 on there list so he is not unique.

Seeing you always understand evidence D ...what actual evidence do you think they have on him.

From the MET:

“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.

“Our job as detectives is to follow the evidence, maintain an open mind and establish what happened on that day in May 2007."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:14:02 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 02, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Everything you know would be from the same sauce.

The main source is the German prosecutor... We have evidence to make him a prime suspect... The prosecutor claims he has more. 
We will see... But it's ridiculous to claim he is being set up... You are just blindly following amaral...as you don't seem to have thought it through
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 09:14:56 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:08:22 AM
Kizzy claims he is being set up... That's what I'm disputing

IT isn't just me but never mind....isn't it only the same as me saying I don't believe CB is the abductor

Why are you getting so wound up ...who are you to dispute what I think anyway
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 02, 2020, 09:15:22 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:11:05 AM
From the MET:

“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.

“Our job as detectives is to follow the evidence, maintain an open mind and establish what happened on that day in May 2007."

Which is not strictly true, from their opening gambit by stating " to investigate as if the abduction occurred in the uk"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 02, 2020, 09:16:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:14:02 AM
The main source is the German prosecutor... We have evidence to make him a prime suspect... The prosecutor claims he has more. 
We will see... But it's ridiculous to claim he is being set up... You are just blindly following amaral...as you don't seem to have thought it through

But the more is clearly not enough to charge him with.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 09:20:28 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:14:02 AM
The main source is the German prosecutor... We have evidence to make him a prime suspect... The prosecutor claims he has more. 
We will see... But it's ridiculous to claim he is being set up... You are just blindly following amaral...as you don't seem to have thought it through


Neither have you ....surely even you must wonder why he hasn't been charged

Maybe best to keep your opinions to yourself until he has been charged.

I not the one blindly  following anyone... Imo you seem really desperate for it to be CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:20:44 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 02, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Everything you know would be from the same sauce.

No.  Some of us are sticking to what's been put out officially others are following the tabloid media.  Some people never learn:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.0

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-539148/McCanns-welcome-page-apologies-550-000-damages-libel-Daily-Express-Daily-Star.html

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/jul/17/medialaw.pressandpublishing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 09:23:34 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 02, 2020, 09:16:43 AM
But the more is clearly not enough to charge him with.
They were on German TV last night. It appears that this 'evidence' is predominately the phone records.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:29:49 AM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 09:23:34 AM
They were on German TV last night. It appears that this 'evidence' is predominately the phone records.

He says he had evidence Maddie is dead and Breukner killed her.. That isn't the phone records
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 02, 2020, 09:33:39 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 08:44:00 AM
What time did they leave Portimao and how long did they spend looking for an imaginary burglar?

And who would do a thing like that?

I have no idea if there was an 'imaginary' burglar in Odiaxere, and I have seen no evidence of anyone doing anything suspicious. They were based in Lagos, not Portimao.

I do know that the phone call to the GNR was at 22:41 and they arrived at the Ocean Club reception at 23:00. The quickest route from Odiaxere takes 14 minutes, so allowing 5 minutes for the patrol to be contacted by radio and to get into their car, that sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:33:53 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 02, 2020, 09:16:43 AM
But the more is clearly not enough to charge him with.
At the moment it seems no... Bit it's ridiculous to suggest the Germans are dishonest and are carrying out a fraudulent investigation is barmy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 09:38:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:29:49 AM
He days he had evidence Maddie is dead and Breukner killed her.. That isn't the phone records

You never believed GA evidence ...so what if it turns out to be the same.

when there is nothing to confirm what he thinks like finding Maddie body.

Do you realise it is a very similar situation imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:29:49 AM
He days he had evidence Maddie is dead and Breukner killed her.. That isn't the phone records

Cite please for your claims above. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 02, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/27/maddie-exclusive-dna-clues-destroyed-by-brits-in-mccann-case-as-portuguese-media-finally-takes-shambolic-police-investigation-to-task/


Look at the Passport of Christian B dated December 2006.   His hair is very short.   Yet Amaral says four months later he had long hair!!

His hair must grow very quickly.   Why is Amaral saying these things?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:33:53 AM
At the moment it seems no... Bit it's ridiculous to suggest the Germans are dishonest and are carrying out a fraudulent investigation is barmy

Authorities might be putting info out in attempt to smoke others out. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 09:42:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:29:49 AM
He days he had evidence Maddie is dead and Breukner killed her.. That isn't the phone records
How's yer conversation German? I'll try to find the linky dinky.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 09:20:28 AM

Neither have you ....surely even you must wonder why he hasn't been charged

Maybe best to keep your opinions to yourself until he has been charged.

I not the one blindly  following anyone... Imo you seem really desperate for it to be CB

You just get so much wrong... There is evidence Re CB that makes his involvement likely.. I'm interested to see the evidence that has convinced the Germans Maddie is dead
That's when we will have a better idea ..I understand completely why he hasn't been charged
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:44:32 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:38:15 AM
Cite please for your claims above.

Have you not been following the case ...do the words concrete evidence ring a bell
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2020, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 02, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/27/maddie-exclusive-dna-clues-destroyed-by-brits-in-mccann-case-as-portuguese-media-finally-takes-shambolic-police-investigation-to-task/


Look at the Passport of Christian B dated December 2006.   His hair is very short.   Yet Amaral says four months later he had long hair!!

His hair must grow very quickly.   Why is Amaral saying these things?

That's interesting. I thought he was still in prison in December 2006
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:45:57 AM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 09:42:40 AM
How's yer conversation German? I'll try to find the linky dinky.

The prosecutor speaks very good english
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 09:38:02 AM
You never believed GA evidence ...so what if it turns out to be the same.

when there is nothing to confirm what he thinks like finding Maddie body.

Do you realise it is a very similar situation imo.

What evidence should I believe from amaral.. Most of his interpretation of the evidence can be proven to be wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 02, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/27/maddie-exclusive-dna-clues-destroyed-by-brits-in-mccann-case-as-portuguese-media-finally-takes-shambolic-police-investigation-to-task/


Look at the Passport of Christian B dated December 2006.   His hair is very short.   Yet Amaral says four months later he had long hair!!

His hair must grow very quickly.   Why is Amaral saying these things?

How do you know it wasn't pulled back in a pony tail ...you have to show a full face.

why are you saying these things when you dont know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 09:51:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:45:57 AM
The prosecutor speaks very good english
Not on German telly he doesn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 09:51:38 AM
Not on German telly he doesn't.
There is, a video in English ..made for Australian tv
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:44:32 AM
Have you not been following the case ...do the words concrete evidence ring a bell

Cite please for your claim:

"He days he had evidence Maddie is dead and Breukner killed her.. That isn't the phone records"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg605611#msg605611
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:58:02 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:54:55 AM
Cite please for your claim:

"He days he had evidence Maddie is dead and Breukner killed her.. That isn't the phone records"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg605611#msg605611

It's in the video you say you watched and was rubbish... Perhaps you didn't psy attention..

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=18.0
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:54:10 AM
There is, a video in English ..made for Australian tv
It was letzter Nacht, Herr Davel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 10:10:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:58:02 AM
It's in the video you say you watched and was rubbish... Perhaps you didn't psy attention..

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=18.0

What has the above link got to do with anything?

Third time lucky... cite please for your claim:

"He days he had evidence Maddie is dead and Breukner killed her.. That isn't the phone records"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg605611#msg605611
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:12:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
What evidence should I believe from amaral.. Most of his interpretation of the evidence can be proven to be wrong

Yes but so could the geerman prosecutor ...he could be wrong when it comes to charges.

GA said he had concrete evidence remember....but no body.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 10:21:30 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2020, 07:29:51 PM
A PAYG phone can be purchased today, let alone 2007, without ID for cash.  All features can be disabled meaning it is possible for criminals to make/receive calls and text only and the only electronic footprint is the cell mast calls/texts are routed through.

IMEI numbers etc are irrelevant when the dentifying numbers are not recorded against users which they're not with PAYG cash purchases.

You’re wrong, but I can’t be bothered to write a long-winded response...you only believe what you WANT to believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:12:50 AM
Yes but so could the geerman prosecutor ...he could be wrong when it comes to charges.

GA said he had concrete evidence remember....but no body.

Cite for concrete evidence... I remember what he said... You dont
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 10:10:19 AM
What has the above link got to do with anything?

Third time lucky... cite please for your claim:

"He days he had evidence Maddie is dead and Breukner killed her.. That isn't the phone records"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg605611#msg605611

I'm at work... Posting from my phone.  I can and will provide the cite.. But as I've said.... It's the Australian doc you said you have watched and said was rubbish... Have you forgotten or didn't  you really watch it

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg604497#msg604497
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 01, 2020, 11:01:54 AM
Did you know that ordinary British policemen say such things about the Metropolitan Police? Comedian Alfie Moore, an ex Sc..thorpe policeman often refers to the Met Police's shortcomings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp4CvTTrR1I


Sc..thorpe...😌
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 10:28:02 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 10:10:19 AM
What has the above link got to do with anything?

Third time lucky... cite please for your claim:

"He days he had evidence Maddie is dead and Breukner killed her.. That isn't the phone records"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg605611#msg605611

Found the cite:

https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=531

Interviewer:  Do you have IRREFUTABLE evidence Madeleine McCann is dead?

HCW:  Err we have STRONG evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead and that our suspect killed her.

What's the definition of "strong"?.  If it is that strong then why not charge?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
Cite for concrete evidence... I remember what he said... You dont

It's you who should be showing some cites. or is it just newspaper reports

At least GA made the mccs arguido he still thinks there involved andddd they haven't been cleared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 10:28:02 AM
Found the cite:

https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=531

Interviewer:  Do you have IRREFUTABLE evidence Madeleine McCann is dead?

HCW:  Err we have STRONG evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead and that our suspect killed her.

What's the definition of "strong"?.  If it is that strong then why not charge?
From what I have read they have a very good reason not to charge.  Once charged breuknr is entitled to see all the evidence... They want to complete their investigation first
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 10:32:50 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 02:30:52 PM
When faced with a large number of leads, do detectives normally prioritise according to probability, or just start at the beginning and steadily work through the pile of leads ?

The reason I ask is because I'm puzzle as to why they have  only relatively recently got to this guy, given that he is the hot-shot number one suspect ?

If he was such a strong candidate, why wasn't he dealt with at at the beginning of the inquiry ?


Because the Portuguese police are inept

They KNEW of Christian Buecker’s previous, and didn’t even bother to interview him

But like many cases, it can sometimes take years to find the perpetrator. Didn’t you know that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 10:33:59 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
It's you who should be showing some cites. or is it just newspaper reports

At least GA made the mccs arguido he still thinks there involved andddd they haven't been cleared.

I'm providing cites... You arent ..none of the evidence used to make the mccanns suspects was later confirmed... Do you know who said that.

Amaral never said concrete evidence. You can't provide a cite
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
It's you who should be showing some cites. or is it just newspaper reports

At least GA made the mccs arguido he still thinks there involved andddd they haven't been cleared.

Do you think breukner will be cleared..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 10:36:49 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
It's you who should be showing some cites. or is it just newspaper reports

At least GA made the mccs arguido he still thinks there involved andddd they haven't been cleared.

That didn't go well, did it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:31:56 AM
From what I have read they have a very good reason not to charge.  Once charged breuknr is entitled to see all the evidence... They want to complete their investigation first


Is that just your opinion....isn't everything different in Germany law.

So it proves they haven't any then yet...or else why worry about what they show him ...

If it is concrete
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 02, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
https://www.zdf.de/gesellschaft/aktenzeichen-xy-ungeloest/aktenzeichen-xy-ungeloest-vom-1-juli-2020-100.html
I July 2020 on German television.

German police had 16 replies during the night re. the Portuguese payg number.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 10:39:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
Do you think breukner will be cleared..

I don't know.  But I bet he won't be made an Arquido.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:37:04 AM

Is that just your opinion....isn't everything different in Germany law.

So it proves they haven't any then yet...or else why worry about what they show him ...

If it is concrete

I don't think you understand what I've said... The Germans have made it clear they will not even question Breukner until they have finished their enquiries
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 10:36:49 AM
That didn't go well, did it.

Probably not ...I don't think this will go well either, with CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 10:42:22 AM
https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1278589534821773313 (https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1278589534821773313)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
I don't think you understand what I've said... The Germans have made it clear they will not even question Breukner until they have finished their enquiries


oH LOL they have known about him for three years....

He is serving a jail term in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, for drug-dealing, having been extradited from Portugal in July 2017.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 01, 2020, 03:24:25 PM
Previously  we have been told that it was the suspect who was called
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/30-minute-phone-call-police-22189069


ONE call was made TO Christian Buerbeck’s phone

And ONE call was made after that from HIS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 10:42:22 AM
https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1278589534821773313 (https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1278589534821773313)

The Germans haven't as I understand  shared their evidence with SY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 10:50:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:48:32 AM
The Germans haven't as I understand  shared their evidence with SY
Why, when they shared CB's alleged phone number with the planet?
Why wouldn't they contact OG and ask for a meeting with the McCann's to disclose their new evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 10:50:10 AM
Why, when they shared CB's alleged phone number with the planet?
Why wouldn't they contact OG and ask for a meeting with the McCann's to disclose their new evidence?

Why should they want to disclose anything... Very sensible afaiac
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 10:42:51 AM

oH LOL they have known about him for three years....

He is serving a jail term in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, for drug-dealing, having been extradited from Portugal in July 2017.

I think you will find that he was extradited from Italy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 10:55:39 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 10:44:41 AM

ONE call was made TO Christian Buerbeck’s phone

And ONE call was made after that from HIS

This is correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 02, 2020, 10:56:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:54:10 AM
There is, a video in English ..made for Australian tv
https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/german-prosecutors-believe-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-60-minutes/c12305de-2465-4751-98ae-e0ba468d8fa3
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
Why should they want to disclose anything... Very sensible afaiac
Why? Don't they all want the same thing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 10:58:25 AM
Why? Don't they all want the same thing?

Please try to use a bit of common sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 11:00:39 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 10:59:34 AM
Please try to use a bit of common sense.
Go on, enlighten me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:48:32 AM
The Germans haven't as I understand  shared their evidence with SY


WHY what is SY suppose to be doing then ?????

Why are the Ger so interested in doing it on their own ...probably it is all just about keeping him in prison...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:48:32 AM
The Germans haven't as I understand  shared their evidence with SY

That’s right, Davel

The Germans have only shared some evidence with them, and it’s no wonder...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 11:04:21 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 11:01:04 AM

WHY what is SY suppose to be doing then ?????

Why are the Ger so interested in doing it on their own ...probably it is all just about keeping him in prison...

Could be.  Which sounds like a seriously good idea to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 10:54:46 AM
I think you will find that he was extradited from Italy.

Oh lol that's what happens when you quote from media. BBC at that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52937626
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 11:07:03 AM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 10:58:25 AM
Why? Don't they all want the same thing?

When someone wants me to tell them something that I would prefer to be kept quiet... I ask them... Can you keep a secret.. They answer yes.. And I say... So can I
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 11:07:45 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 11:03:09 AM
That’s right, Davel

The Germans have only shared some evidence with them, and it’s no wonder...
Why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 11:08:35 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 11:07:03 AM
When someone wants me to tell them something that I would prefer to be kept quiet... I ask them... Can you keep a secret.. They answer yes.. And I say... So can I
That's code for 'I've no idea'.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-death-letter-parents-kate-gerry-germany-suspect-christian-brueckner-a9568661.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-death-letter-parents-kate-gerry-germany-suspect-christian-brueckner-a9568661.html)

So the German Police wrote to the McCanns, but then they didn't apparently.
But then they gave SY 'an overview', but you say they've shared nothing.

So, you were right. You literally have no idea.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 02, 2020, 11:09:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 11:07:03 AM
When someone wants me to tell them something that I would prefer to be kept quiet... I ask them... Can you keep a secret.. They answer yes.. And I say... So can I
I can keep a secret it's the barstewards I tell that can't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 11:04:21 AM
Could be.  Which sounds like a seriously good idea to me.

Agree he should be kept in... but at least for what he has done.

Don't you think that would make him the scapegoat? if they don't prove he did it.[the abduction]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 01, 2020, 04:40:43 PM
Thanks Myster.

What I'm struggling to understand is that CB lived mainly in Portugal between 1995 - 2007 so why the emphasis on appealing for info on TV shows aired in Germany?  Surely his associates/acquaintances at the time are more likely to have been within the Portuguese community in Portugal?

The Germans can’t air their programmes on Portuguese TV....that’s the job of the Portuguese media and PP

Don’t you find it odd that CB lived in Portugal for twelve years, then suddenly fled just a few weeks after Maddie vanished?

Don’t you think it’s ODD that he reregistered his car the VERY NEXT DAY after Maddie vanished into another man’s name?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
Agree he should be kept in... but at least for what he has done.

Don't you think that would make him the scapegoat? if they don't prove he did it.[the abduction]

He's done enough else to be going on with.  And there are another six months for him to finish on his present sentence.  Parole isn't absolute.

As for scapegoat, ask me again if he is convicted of a crime he obviously didn't commit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 11:18:30 AM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2020, 08:36:22 PM
Brückner has been travelling between Germany, Portugal, Spain and Italy. He left PdL shortly after Madeleine disappeared. I have said it before: on 2 May 2007, het told his ex that he has a horrible job to do in PdL the next day and that it will change his life and that she would not see him in the near future. The PJ is under real pressure. That is what I think. So yes, I do realise that it is not on the PJ agenda for now because they are backtracking. Amaral revealed some of this almost a year ago. German police have obviously unearthed something very significant relating to Madeleine and the PJ and Amaral do not like this.



Absolutely

I think it’s appalling that the egos of the Portuguese police (and SY) are preventing them from helping the German police.

It’s disgraceful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 11:21:59 AM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on July 01, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned, but I wonder if this mystery phone call has anything to do with the GNR being called out on another job just before calls notifying them of Madeleine's disappearance came in, causing the delay in their arrival at OC?


That’s a well-known ploy between criminals...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 11:23:51 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 11:21:59 AM

That’s a well-known ploy between criminals...
From a personal phone? Of course it is. You and Holmes need to wobble your bonces, Watson.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 11:24:41 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 11:18:30 AM


Absolutely

I think it’s appalling that the egos of the Portuguese police (and SY) are preventing them from helping the German police.

It’s disgraceful.
Hang on, you just said German Police are refusing to provide the evidence to SY. Which is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 11:26:02 AM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 11:08:35 AM
That's code for 'I've no idea'.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-death-letter-parents-kate-gerry-germany-suspect-christian-brueckner-a9568661.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-death-letter-parents-kate-gerry-germany-suspect-christian-brueckner-a9568661.html)

So the German Police wrote to the McCanns, but then they didn't apparently.
But then they gave SY 'an overview', but you say they've shared nothing.

So, you were right. You literally have no idea.

But I do have an idea... And a little evidence to support it... The memory stick... Photos.  Why won't the Germans yay or nay the existence of incriminating photos on the stick... When they have said no evidence from the cars.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 11:27:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 11:26:02 AM
But I do have an idea... And a little evidence to support it... The memory stick... Photos.  Why won't the Germans yay or nay the existence of incriminating photos on the stick... When they have said no evidence from the cars.
You didn't answer the question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
Agree he should be kept in... but at least for what he has done.

Don't you think that would make him the scapegoat? if they don't prove he did it.[the abduction]

All the suspicion around him is perfectly reasonable... No evidence of him being a scapegoat
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:36:01 AM
You tell me ...you seem to know everything else.

But the thing is everything you do know is what you have read in the media, hearsay, and sauce.


And where are you getting all your information from?

Which source?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 11:08:35 AM
That's code for 'I've no idea'.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-death-letter-parents-kate-gerry-germany-suspect-christian-brueckner-a9568661.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-death-letter-parents-kate-gerry-germany-suspect-christian-brueckner-a9568661.html)

So the German Police wrote to the McCanns, but then they didn't apparently.
But then they gave SY 'an overview', but you say they've shared nothing.

So, you were right. You literally have no idea.

I haven't said they've shared nothing and which question do you claim I haven't answered
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 02, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/27/maddie-exclusive-dna-clues-destroyed-by-brits-in-mccann-case-as-portuguese-media-finally-takes-shambolic-police-investigation-to-task/


Look at the Passport of Christian B dated December 2006.   His hair is very short.   Yet Amaral says four months later he had long hair!!

His hair must grow very quickly.   Why is Amaral saying these things?


Amaral is a disgrace

As for CB’s hair, it’s clearly very short, but they did find lots of wigs CB had in his hovel

Whatever would he want wigs for? As if it isn’t obvious!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 11:46:22 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 11:11:19 AM
The Germans can’t air their programmes on Portuguese TV....that’s the job of the Portuguese media and PP

Don’t you find it odd that CB lived in Portugal for twelve years, then suddenly fled just a few weeks after Maddie vanished?

Don’t you think it’s ODD that he reregistered his car the VERY NEXT DAY after Maddie vanished into another man’s name?

Why wouldn't the Portuguese air if they thought it would assist in justice for MM?

I believe the Met first flagged up CB as a potential suspect so why hasn't UK aired an appeal?

CB regularly travelled between Portugal and Germany.  If he had anything to hide why return later?

Maybe he left post disappearance as the whole resort changed ie shortage of hospitality jobs etc, full of reporters etc.

There's a clear audit for the car re-reg so how would this assist him in evading detection?

Nah.  I think desperation has kicked in and the fact this guy has some previous for child sex abuse and theft (so we're told.  I've yet to see official docs) and his phone was used a couple of hours prior to MM's disappearance the authorities are looking to pin it on him. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 11:54:19 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 11:46:22 AM
Why wouldn't the Portuguese air if they thought it would assist in justice for MM?

I believe the Met first flagged up CB as a potential suspect so why hasn't UK aired an appeal?

CB regularly travelled between Portugal and Germany.  If he had anything to hide why return later?

Maybe he left post disappearance as the whole resort changed ie shortage of hospitality jobs etc, full of reporters etc.

There's a clear audit for the car re-reg so how would this assist him in evading detection?

Nah.  I think desperation has kicked in and the fact this guy has some previous for child sex abuse and theft (so we're told.  I've yet to see official docs) and his phone was used a couple of hours prior to MM's disappearance the authorities are looking to pin it on him.

I think the only desperation is from those who for their own reasons simply do not want to accept he could be responsible
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 11:54:19 AM
I think the only desperation is from those who for their own reasons simply do not want to accept he could be responsible

The way its being handled is so unorthodox what else in one to think?

What his known about HCW by way of his qualifications, career etc?  What sort of person would use his position with the media to state MM is dead without ensuring the Mc's were fully supported? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
Cite for concrete evidence... I remember what he said... You dont

I remember too, Davel

Maybe Holly has a heavy workload...she’s putting in overtime on the Bamber case, and trying to exonerate Buerbecker  too now...the stress!

Poor Bamber will get jealous if he hears she’s taken on CB !

Actually, I think even Bamber would take CB out for what he’s done.

And yes, I definitely guarantee CB will be charged and convicted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 11:58:06 AM
The way its being handled is so unorthodox what else in one to think?

What his known about HCW by way of his qualifications, career etc?  What sort of person would use his position with the media to state MM is dead without ensuring the Mc's were fully supported?

Amaral has been saying it for years.. As have multiple Portuguese... You are simply continually nitpicking... I'm sure the McCanns realise Maddie may well be dead... It's a harsh reality
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 02, 2020, 12:04:38 PM
So what's been happening with this latest suspect?  Has he been charged or was this yet another ruse?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 12:04:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 12:03:27 PM
Amaral has been saying it for years.. As have multiple Portuguese... You are simply continually nitpicking... I'm sure the McCanns realise Maddie may well be dead... It's a harsh reality
This is different. German Police aren't apparently theorising; they have 'concrete proof'.
So show the parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 11:58:06 AM
The way its being handled is so unorthodox what else in one to think?

What his known about HCW by way of his qualifications, career etc?  What sort of person would use his position with the media to state MM is dead without ensuring the Mc's were fully supported?

I would add I think he would have some pretty strong evidence to be so definite
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 12:06:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 02, 2020, 12:04:38 PM
So what's been happening with this latest suspect?  Has he been charged or was this yet another ruse?
A ruse by whom... Another conspiracy  theory ..are you thinking the Germans are in on it now
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 02, 2020, 12:06:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 12:03:27 PM
Amaral has been saying it for years.. As have multiple Portuguese... You are simply continually nitpicking... I'm sure the McCanns realise Maddie may well be dead... It's a harsh reality

Regardless of what happened to her I'm sure the parents carry a heavy burden.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 12:06:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 02, 2020, 12:06:13 PM
Regardless of what happened to her I'm sure the parents carry a heavy burden.

I agree
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2020, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 12:04:54 PM
This is different. German Police aren't apparently theorising; they have 'concrete proof'.
So show the parents.

That may not e their way of doing things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 12:15:04 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 11:46:22 AM
Why wouldn't the Portuguese air if they thought it would assist in justice for MM?

I believe the Met first flagged up CB as a potential suspect so why hasn't UK aired an appeal?

CB regularly travelled between Portugal and Germany.  If he had anything to hide why return later?

Maybe he left post disappearance as the whole resort changed ie shortage of hospitality jobs etc, full of reporters etc.

There's a clear audit for the car re-reg so how would this assist him in evading detection?

Nah.  I think desperation has kicked in and the fact this guy has some previous for child sex abuse and theft (so we're told.  I've yet to see official docs) and his phone was used a couple of hours prior to MM's disappearance the authorities are looking to pin it on him.



The Portuguese police aren’t being helpful, and you know that

What point would there be airing the programme on British TV when they’re asking people in PORTUGAL for help? Brueckner lived THERE — not here!

That’s a laughable excuse that he hurriedly left Portugal due to shortages of jobs — he didn’t work — he was a THIEF! A BURGLAR. DRUG DEALER.

And don’t be silly; it’s obvious that the reason he reregistered his car THE DAY AFTER Madeleine vanished was that he didn’t want his stinking name flagging up by all the swarming police cars in the resort! Can’t you SEE that?!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 11:54:19 AM
I think the only desperation is from those who for their own reasons simply do not want to accept he could be responsible

Yes, and it’s always the same few who seem to side with the vile sickos

Worrying...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 12:04:54 PM
This is different. German Police aren't apparently theorising; they have 'concrete proof'.
So show the parents.

You think the German police would show the McCanns’ the video of their daughter being raped, tortured and murdered??!!!!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 12:19:19 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 12:17:39 PM
You think the German police would show the McCanns’ the video of their daughter being raped, tortured and murdered??!!!!

No, you said that, not me.
They must give them an over view of this compelling evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 02, 2020, 12:20:11 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 12:17:39 PM
You think the German police would show the McCanns’ the video of their daughter being raped, tortured and murdered??!!!!


What video?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 12:24:40 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 12:15:04 PM


The Portuguese police aren’t being helpful, and you know that

What point would there be airing the programme on British TV when they’re asking people in PORTUGAL for help? Brueckner lived THERE — not here!

That’s a laughable excuse that he hurriedly left Portugal due to shortages of jobs — he didn’t work — he was a THIEF! A BURGLAR. DRUG DEALER.

And don’t be silly; it’s obvious that the reason he reregistered his car THE DAY AFTER Madeleine vanished was that he didn’t want his stinking name flagging up by all the swarming police cars in the resort! Can’t you SEE that?!

So what's the point in airing in Germany?

The BKA website has CB working in catering:

Between 1995 and 2007 he lived more or less permanently in the Algarve, including for a few years in a house between Lagos and Praia da Luz. During this period, he pursued several odd jobs in the Lagos area, including in the catering trade.

What does the person he registered the car to have to say about the matter?  Where's the evidence it was re-registered?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 12:04:54 PM
This is different. German Police aren't apparently theorising; they have 'concrete proof'.
So show the parents.

Concrete evidence.... Not proof
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 12:25:37 PM
Concrete evidence.... Not proof
Correct. My apologies.
Concrete evidence - brief the parents.

Interesting turn of phrase that, concrete evidence.
Could be somewhat lost in translation, but it infers a level of certainty over and above mere 'evidence'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 02, 2020, 12:36:24 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 12:24:40 PM
So what's the point in airing in Germany?

The BKA website has CB working in catering:

Between 1995 and 2007 he lived more or less permanently in the Algarve, including for a few years in a house between Lagos and Praia da Luz. During this period, he pursued several odd jobs in the Lagos area, including in the catering trade.

What does the person he registered the car to have to say about the matter?  Where's the evidence it was re-registered?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393497/How-Madeleine-suspect-slept-attic.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393497/How-Madeleine-suspect-slept-attic.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 11:16:06 AM
He's done enough else to be going on with.  And there are another six months for him to finish on his present sentence.  Parole isn't absolute.

As for scapegoat, ask me again if he is convicted of a crime he obviously didn't commit.

Okay fair enough
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 11:54:19 AM
I think the only desperation is from those who for their own reasons simply do not want to accept he could be responsible

In my case simply because I don't believe Maddie was abducted simple.

Similar to how I think of you believing that Maddie  definitely was imo

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 12:48:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 12:45:35 PM
In my case simply because I don't believe Maddie was abducted simple.

Similar to how I think of you believing that Maddie  definitely was imo

Y
I don't think Maddie was definitely abducted... But I think it's the most likely...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 12:50:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 12:48:37 PM
I don't think Maddie was definitely abducted... But I think it's the most likely...

Same as the Germans then they ...think ...its CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
Correct. My apologies.
Concrete evidence - brief the parents.

Interesting turn of phrase that, concrete evidence.
Could be somewhat lost in translation, but it infers a level of certainty over and above mere 'evidence'.

Apologies accepted... At ease..
HCW is obviously an intelligent educated man.  As, I have said many times evidence comes in varying degrees of certainty.. Nothing new there
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 12:52:46 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 12:50:39 PM
Same as the Germans then they ...think ...its CB

I thought it before the Germans were on the scene... And I think CB may well be guilty... I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 12:52:46 PM
I thought it before the Germans were on the scene... And I think CB may well be guilty... I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the evidence
So are the parents, probably.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
Quote from: The General on July 02, 2020, 12:55:46 PM
So are the parents, probably.

Maybe they will need to wait until Brueckner is charged, for if he isn't, then any evidence won't be any use and perhaps shouldn't be disclosed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 02, 2020, 01:04:42 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 02, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
Maybe they will need to wait until Brueckner is charged, for if he isn't, then any evidence won't be any use and perhaps shouldn't be disclosed.
Operation Grange routinely updated the parents with latest developments - and I believe still do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 02, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
Maybe they will need to wait until Brueckner is charged, for if he isn't, then any evidence won't be any use and perhaps shouldn't be disclosed.

You mean not put on the net like the pj files
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2020, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 01:05:31 PM
You mean not put on the net like the pj files

I do indeed, although the case was closed before any Files appeared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 12:17:39 PM
You think the German police would show the McCanns’ the video of their daughter being raped, tortured and murdered??!!!!

However does that brain of yours work?!

Less of the description, if you please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 12:24:40 PM
So what's the point in airing in Germany?

The BKA website has CB working in catering:

Between 1995 and 2007 he lived more or less permanently in the Algarve, including for a few years in a house between Lagos and Praia da Luz. During this period, he pursued several odd jobs in the Lagos area, including in the catering trade.

What does the person he registered the car to have to say about the matter?  Where's the evidence it was re-registered?

Look for it.  It's on here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 12:52:46 PM
I thought it before the Germans were on the scene... And I think CB may well be guilty... I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the evidence
I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the evidence

Well good luck with that D



Well, its all gone quiet now ..no sign of what some thought was going to be announced last night apart from the same old same old...

The only thing it seems.

02.07.2020, 07.08 a.m.
 
After another call for witnesses to the case of the girl Madeleine McCann, who disappeared 13 years ago, more than 800 reports have been received by the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) since the beginning of June. BKA investigator Christian Hoppe said in the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY ... unresolved" that some information can already be described as further for the investigation.
 
The German Christian B., who is imprisoned for other offenses, is suspected of having kidnapped the three-year-old British woman on May 3, 2007 from a holiday resort in Portugal. The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig is investigating the 43-year-old on suspicion of murder. According to their own statements, the investigators already got on his track by pointing out a ZDF broadcast on the case in October 2013.
 
The man has a criminal record for child sex offenses and is currently serving a sentence in Kiel, which the Niebüll District Court imposed on him in 2011. It was about drug trafficking. Detention is scheduled to end in spring 2021, two thirds of this sentence has been served. Christian B. committed several criminal offenses in both Germany and Portugal. His criminal record has 17 entries.
 
On May 3, 2007, the suspect is said to have made a cell phone call at "crime-relevant" time in Praia da Luz. The investigators are therefore still looking for the user of a Portuguese mobile number.
 
BKA investigators Hoppe appealed to all viewers who had contact with Portuguese telephone numbers up to June 2007 to search for the number in their old cell phones, telephone books or bills. When asked, he did not want to comment on whether the evidence against the 43-year-old was sufficient for an indictment.
 
Meanwhile, the suspect's lawyer sharply criticized the investigative public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig after the broadcast. "The public prosecutor has obviously shot at our client and is now trying to solve their need for evidence," said lawyer Friedrich Fülscher RTL / n-tv. He is very excited about the evidence-based suspicion of the public prosecutor. "I think this statement by the Braunschweig public prosecutor is extremely daring."
 
Fülscher defends Christian B. together with Hamburg lawyer Johann Schwenn. Fülscher said that his client was completely different from the public. "I experience him as a very calm and friendly conversation partner." On his advice, his client did not want to provide any information about the allegations.
 
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/madeleine-maddie-mccann-hunderte-hinweise-nach-aktenzeichen-xy-a-a65b9a20-939d-4b32-b7fa-077be6ab8e47



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 02, 2020, 01:32:33 PM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 12:17:39 PM
You think the German police would show the McCanns’ the video of their daughter being raped, tortured and murdered??!!!!

However does that brain of yours work?!


Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
Less of the description, if you please.

Trolling?  its based purely on hearsay or come to that just their own thoughts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 02, 2020, 01:32:33 PM

Trolling?  its based purely on hearsay or come to that just their own thoughts.

I wouldn't call that Trolling.  ISpy just didn't know that I personally am not having this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 01:42:30 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 01:31:44 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the evidence

Well good luck with that D



Well, its all gone quiet now ..no sign of what some thought was going to be announced last night apart from the same old same old...

The only thing it seems.

02.07.2020, 07.08 a.m.
 
After another call for witnesses to the case of the girl Madeleine McCann, who disappeared 13 years ago, more than 800 reports have been received by the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) since the beginning of June. BKA investigator Christian Hoppe said in the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY ... unresolved" that some information can already be described as further for the investigation.
 
The German Christian B., who is imprisoned for other offenses, is suspected of having kidnapped the three-year-old British woman on May 3, 2007 from a holiday resort in Portugal. The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig is investigating the 43-year-old on suspicion of murder. According to their own statements, the investigators already got on his track by pointing out a ZDF broadcast on the case in October 2013.
 
The man has a criminal record for child sex offenses and is currently serving a sentence in Kiel, which the Niebüll District Court imposed on him in 2011. It was about drug trafficking. Detention is scheduled to end in spring 2021, two thirds of this sentence has been served. Christian B. committed several criminal offenses in both Germany and Portugal. His criminal record has 17 entries.
 
On May 3, 2007, the suspect is said to have made a cell phone call at "crime-relevant" time in Praia da Luz. The investigators are therefore still looking for the user of a Portuguese mobile number.
 
BKA investigators Hoppe appealed to all viewers who had contact with Portuguese telephone numbers up to June 2007 to search for the number in their old cell phones, telephone books or bills. When asked, he did not want to comment on whether the evidence against the 43-year-old was sufficient for an indictment.
 
Meanwhile, the suspect's lawyer sharply criticized the investigative public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig after the broadcast. "The public prosecutor has obviously shot at our client and is now trying to solve their need for evidence," said lawyer Friedrich Fülscher RTL / n-tv. He is very excited about the evidence-based suspicion of the public prosecutor. "I think this statement by the Braunschweig public prosecutor is extremely daring."
 
Fülscher defends Christian B. together with Hamburg lawyer Johann Schwenn. Fülscher said that his client was completely different from the public. "I experience him as a very calm and friendly conversation partner." On his advice, his client did not want to provide any information about the allegations.
 
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/madeleine-maddie-mccann-hunderte-hinweise-nach-aktenzeichen-xy-a-a65b9a20-939d-4b32-b7fa-077be6ab8e47

So his lawyer is saying everyone misunderstands his rapist.. Child molester... Woman beating..  Thieving client.... Looks like he's convinced you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 02, 2020, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2020, 01:40:22 PM
I wouldn't call that Trolling.  ISpy just didn't know that I personally am not having this.

No? where's the evidence to such then,content of ipsy's post that is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2020, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 01:31:44 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the evidence

Well good luck with that D



Well, its all gone quiet now ..no sign of what some thought was going to be announced last night apart from the same old same old...

The only thing it seems.

02.07.2020, 07.08 a.m.
 
After another call for witnesses to the case of the girl Madeleine McCann, who disappeared 13 years ago, more than 800 reports have been received by the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) since the beginning of June. BKA investigator Christian Hoppe said in the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY ... unresolved" that some information can already be described as further for the investigation.
 
The German Christian B., who is imprisoned for other offenses, is suspected of having kidnapped the three-year-old British woman on May 3, 2007 from a holiday resort in Portugal. The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig is investigating the 43-year-old on suspicion of murder. According to their own statements, the investigators already got on his track by pointing out a ZDF broadcast on the case in October 2013.
 
The man has a criminal record for child sex offenses and is currently serving a sentence in Kiel, which the Niebüll District Court imposed on him in 2011. It was about drug trafficking. Detention is scheduled to end in spring 2021, two thirds of this sentence has been served. Christian B. committed several criminal offenses in both Germany and Portugal. His criminal record has 17 entries.
 
On May 3, 2007, the suspect is said to have made a cell phone call at "crime-relevant" time in Praia da Luz. The investigators are therefore still looking for the user of a Portuguese mobile number.
 
BKA investigators Hoppe appealed to all viewers who had contact with Portuguese telephone numbers up to June 2007 to search for the number in their old cell phones, telephone books or bills. When asked, he did not want to comment on whether the evidence against the 43-year-old was sufficient for an indictment.
 
Meanwhile, the suspect's lawyer sharply criticized the investigative public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig after the broadcast. "The public prosecutor has obviously shot at our client and is now trying to solve their need for evidence," said lawyer Friedrich Fülscher RTL / n-tv. He is very excited about the evidence-based suspicion of the public prosecutor. "I think this statement by the Braunschweig public prosecutor is extremely daring."
 
Fülscher defends Christian B. together with Hamburg lawyer Johann Schwenn. Fülscher said that his client was completely different from the public. "I experience him as a very calm and friendly conversation partner." On his advice, his client did not want to provide any information about the allegations.
 
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/madeleine-maddie-mccann-hunderte-hinweise-nach-aktenzeichen-xy-a-a65b9a20-939d-4b32-b7fa-077be6ab8e47

I hadn't realised this drug offence sentence had been imposed in 2011
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 01:42:30 PM
So his lawyer is saying everyone misunderstands his rapist.. Child molester... Woman beating..  Thieving client.... Looks like he's convinced you


I didn't write it.....but he is what you say no doubt about that

Its convinced me of nothing ....I myself do not believe he abducted Maddie.

Because ..sigh I don't believe Maddie was abducted........ stop twisting things
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 01:55:49 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 01:49:20 PM

I didn't write it.....but he is what you say no doubt about that

Its convinced me of nothing ....I myself do not believe he abducted Maddie.

Because ..sigh I don't believe Maddie was abducted........ stop twisting things
I'm not sure why you posted it. Im looking forward to seeing what the other evidence is... Thats it.
I think it's quite probable he's guilty... Need to wait for the rest of the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 01:55:49 PM
I'm not sure why you posted it. Im looking forward to seeing what the other evidence is... Thats it.
I think it's quite probable he's guilty... Need to wait for the rest of the evidence


I posted it because of this... some thought something dramatic was going to happen ...it didnt.


FOCUS Online: The investigators are under pressure, because on the one hand they suspected murder, but so far have not provided sufficient evidence to substantiate this suspicion. Sounds like a desperate search for the famous needle in a haystack.

Cerne: I see this very pragmatically and am very excited about what the BKA will report and ask on Wednesday. The show a month ago generated an enormous echo. 18 BKA employees were on the phone and have picked up almost 1000 information from the population. I have the impression that something important is happening now.

reply 2497
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.4290




Also, the one I posted was in German not everyone can translate.... not sure what your problem is posting it. if something important had have happened you would have posted it ...bit hypocritical really imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 02:14:01 PM

I posted it because of this... some thought something dramatic was going to happen ...it didnt.


FOCUS Online: The investigators are under pressure, because on the one hand they suspected murder, but so far have not provided sufficient evidence to substantiate this suspicion. Sounds like a desperate search for the famous needle in a haystack.

Cerne: I see this very pragmatically and am very excited about what the BKA will report and ask on Wednesday. The show a month ago generated an enormous echo. 18 BKA employees were on the phone and have picked up almost 1000 information from the population. I have the impression that something important is happening now.

reply 2497
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.4290




Also, the one I posted was in German not everyone can translate.... not sure what your problem is posting it. if something important had have happened you would have posted it ...bit hypocritical really imo

I'm not expecting anything dramatic yet.....I'm more interested in the evidence that Maddie is dead and the suspect killed her.

I think the hypocrit is you...there's not enough evidence to charge the McCanns but you are 100per cent they are involved yet you criticise others for even thinking breukner could be involved
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 02:39:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 02:28:48 PM
I'm not expecting anything dramatic yet.....I'm more interested in the evidence that Maddie is dead and the suspect killed her.

I think the hypocrit is you...there's not enough evidence to charge the McCanns but you are 100per cent they are involved yet you criticise others for even thinking breukner could be involved

IMO we know the mccs 100% was there ....at this moment in time we don't know If CB was.

so how does that make me a hypocrite?

You have in my eyes destroyed all your credit for for thinking mc innocent on evidence.

Yet have CB guilty on a so-called phone call  or as good as IMO... double standards come to mind D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 02:39:39 PM
IMO we know the mccs 100% was there ....at this moment in time we don't know If CB was.

so how does that make me a hypocrite?

You have in my eyes destroyed all your credit for for thinking mc innocent on evidence.

Yet have CB guilty on a so-called phone call  or as good as IMO... double standards come to mind D

So your evidence that the McCanns are guilty is that they were there...not quite enough is it. I don't know if Breukner is guilty...I suspect he may be..but am looking forward to seeing the evidence HCW has said he has
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 02:47:46 PM
So your evidence that the McCanns are guilty is that they were there...not quite enough is it. I don't know if Breukner is guilty...I suspect he may be..but am looking forward to seeing the evidence HCE has said he has

No, you know full well it isnt ..I dont believe a word they say
 
It would be off-topic anyway if I said more ...I'll stick to post regarding CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 02, 2020, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 12:24:40 PM
So what's the point in airing in Germany?

The BKA website has CB working in catering:

Between 1995 and 2007 he lived more or less permanently in the Algarve, including for a few years in a house between Lagos and Praia da Luz. During this period, he pursued several odd jobs in the Lagos area, including in the catering trade.

What does the person he registered the car to have to say about the matter?  Where's the evidence it was re-registered?

With German authorities.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 02, 2020, 05:12:27 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 02, 2020, 08:36:01 AM
You tell me ...you seem to know everything else.

But the thing is everything you do know is what you have read in the media, hearsay, and sauce.
You’re the one convinced he’s being set up, why do you expect me to try and work out why?  I don’t think he is, you do, you tell us why, only you can’t because it’s nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 02, 2020, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2020, 09:05:23 AM
He looks slimmed down in recent images compared to 2007.
Which begs the question - do you know what burgeoning actually means?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 02, 2020, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 02, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Everything you know would be from the same sauce.
I prefer chutney with mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:28:38 PM
I wonder what the so called "statement analysis" brigade would make of the following...

Madeleine McCann suspect is 'no psychopathic monster' and prosecutors have a 'lack of evidence', claims his lawyer

So he isn't claiming his client is innocent...he's claiming there's alack of evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on July 02, 2020, 09:41:02 PM
I need to identify how many ELEMENTS for sending, and how many ELEMENTS for receiving, this mobile mast has, based on the wires, boxes and connections ... Anybody knows, or has a friend working in mobile  communications?
Thanks.


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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 02, 2020, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:28:38 PM
I wonder what the so called "statement analysis" brigade would make of the following...

Madeleine McCann suspect is 'no psychopathic monster' and prosecutors have a 'lack of evidence', claims his lawyer

So he isn't claiming his client is innocent...he's claiming there's alack of evidence.

He doesn't need to claim he's innocent, he hasn't been found guilty. So he's innocent, just like the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 02, 2020, 09:44:49 PM
He doesn't need to claim he's innocent, he hasn't been found guilty. So he's innocent, just like the McCanns.

You don't seem to understand the BS that is statement analysis...its basic BS championed by some some sceptics
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 09:50:52 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 02, 2020, 09:44:49 PM
He doesn't need to claim he's innocent, he hasn't been found guilty. So he's innocent, just like the McCanns.

When do you the think he will be cleared and declared innocent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 02, 2020, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:50:52 PM
When do you the think he will be cleared and declared innocent

When Maddie is found alive & well in Morocco with Joana. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 02, 2020, 09:59:36 PM


Besides, CB can't have killed her because SY have Maddie under surveillance, ask Eleanor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 02, 2020, 10:17:23 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12016330/madeleine-mccann-suspect-phone-link/

Nick Pisa
2 Jul 2020, 22:00Updated: 2 Jul 2020, 22:06
MADELEINE McCann police are probing a “promising” new lead following a TV appeal.

A viewer of Germany’s Crimewatch called cops to say they recognised a mobile number that suspect Christian B is said to have phoned on the night Madeleine vanished.

Police now hope to trace the Portuguese number’s owner. They are also checking banks in Portugal to see if it was topped up at an ATM.

In the new TV appeal about three-year-old Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance, German police urged viewers to check diaries and contacts books to see if they recognised the number.

As the show ended, detective Alfred Hettmer revealed: “There have been 16 calls about this number and one of them is promising.”

The caller had contacted police in Bavaria — significant because that is where convicted paedo B lived before moving to Portugal.

Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office urged the viewer to get in touch with them.

Met Police data shared with the Germans has put B’s own mobile close to the Ocean Club where the McCanns were holidaying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 02, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 09:28:38 PM
I wonder what the so called "statement analysis" brigade would make of the following...

Madeleine McCann suspect is 'no psychopathic monster' and prosecutors have a 'lack of evidence', claims his lawyer

So he isn't claiming his client is innocent...he's claiming there's alack of evidence.

Which is of course what the McCann's always said about Madeleine being dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 02, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Which is of course what the McCann's always said about Madeleine being dead.

You have completely missed the point..CB knows for certain whether he's innocent or not...he doesn't need to go by the evifence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 02, 2020, 10:40:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:35:22 PM
You have completely missed the point..CB knows for certain whether he's innocent or not...he doesn't need to go by the evifence

What does that have to do with "statement analysis" and his lawyer?

Is he the first new suspect that you thought was "might be"  guilty or the latest in a line?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 02, 2020, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: misty on July 02, 2020, 10:17:23 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12016330/madeleine-mccann-suspect-phone-link/

Nick Pisa
2 Jul 2020, 22:00Updated: 2 Jul 2020, 22:06
MADELEINE McCann police are probing a “promising” new lead following a TV appeal.

A viewer of Germany’s Crimewatch called cops to say they recognised a mobile number that suspect Christian B is said to have phoned on the night Madeleine vanished.

Police now hope to trace the Portuguese number’s owner. They are also checking banks in Portugal to see if it was topped up at an ATM.

In the new TV appeal about three-year-old Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance, German police urged viewers to check diaries and contacts books to see if they recognised the number.

As the show ended, detective Alfred Hettmer revealed: “There have been 16 calls about this number and one of them is promising.”

The caller had contacted police in Bavaria — significant because that is where convicted paedo B lived before moving to Portugal.

Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office urged the viewer to get in touch with them.

Met Police data shared with the Germans has put B’s own mobile close to the Ocean Club where the McCanns were holidaying.

Close to the Ocean Club? That makes no real sense. Would that be the Ocean Club reception on R. Direita, the Tapas complex on R. Dr F G Martins or the Millenium complex on R. J R Lopez? Could it be near to the Tapas complex but on R. 1 de Maio?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2020, 10:53:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 02, 2020, 10:40:21 PM
What does that have to do with "statement analysis" and his lawyer?

Is he the first new suspect that you thought was "might be"  guilty or the latest in a line?
The first thst looks highly probable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 02, 2020, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 02, 2020, 10:53:52 PM
The first thst looks highly probable

Were the others just probables then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 02, 2020, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 02, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Which is of course what the McCann's always said about Madeleine being dead.

There is a difference.
Madeleine's parents ARE NOT accused by police or any LE of being suspects while CB is being accused publically by a public prosecutor who also claims that there is evidence.
I hope this is not hard to comprehend.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 12:19:16 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 02, 2020, 11:14:10 PM
There is a difference.
Madeleine's parents ARE NOT accused by police or any LE of being suspects while CB is being accused publically by a public prosecutor who also claims that there is evidence.
I hope this is not hard to comprehend.

But tongues were wagging and GM said "there's no evidence to implicate us in her death". That's odd on its own given he also consistently claimed "there's no evidence she is dead"... Granted though there is a difference between "lack of evidence" and "no evidence".... Then again, perhaps the German was badly translated!!. And it's only hearsay from CB's lawyer - it's not the words of the latest suspect himself.....

As you know this isn't of any relevance. Court cases are decided on the evidence and the evidence alone. It would take a pretty shoddy defence lawyer not to argue that there is "a lack of evidence" against their client.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 12:38:18 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaJDS_EU0AAYEV_?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 03, 2020, 12:54:17 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 02, 2020, 10:45:02 PM
Close to the Ocean Club? That makes no real sense. Would that be the Ocean Club reception on R. Direita, the Tapas complex on R. Dr F G Martins or the Millenium complex on R. J R Lopez? Could it be near to the Tapas complex but on R. 1 de Maio?

Sometimes it is possible for experts to work out a more precise location of a mobile phone call by looking at data showing strength of the signal received at the mast(s). I believe there were 3 masts in & around Luz which may have provided such data.
The important matter now for the Germans is to identify the other caller. It may just turn out to be one of his girlfriends.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 03, 2020, 01:21:42 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 12:19:16 AM
But tongues were wagging and GM said "there's no evidence to implicate us in her death". That's odd on its own given he also consistently claimed "there's no evidence she is dead"... Granted though there is a difference between "lack of evidence" and "no evidence".... Then again, perhaps the German was badly translated!!. And it's only hearsay from CB's lawyer - it's not the words of the latest suspect himself.....

As you know this isn't of any relevance. Court cases are decided on the evidence and the evidence alone. It would take a pretty shoddy defence lawyer not to argue that there is "a lack of evidence" against their client.

I hope you are able to distinguish between the manipulative language use you are trying to implement to pursue your opinion, I am not sure why - maybe it could be some social media phenomena syndrome and the actual FACTS: We are in 2020 now and there is a new investigation going on. This time in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 07:46:06 AM
Quote from: ISpyWithMyEye on July 02, 2020, 12:01:49 PM
I remember too, Davel

Maybe Holly has a heavy workload...she’s putting in overtime on the Bamber case, and trying to exonerate Buerbecker  too now...the stress!

Poor Bamber will get jealous if he hears she’s taken on CB !

Actually, I think even Bamber would take CB out for what he’s done.

And yes, I definitely guarantee CB will be charged and convicted.

It probably didn't register given the interviewer asked if he had irrefutable evidence to which he replied we have strong evidence....so no irrefutable evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 07:52:50 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 07:46:06 AM
It probably didn't register given the interviewer asked if he had irrefutable evidence to which he replied we have strong evidence....so no irrefutable evidence.

semantics obviously.....irrefutable evidence would be proof. What I think we can can assume is there is strong evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 07:54:44 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 07:46:06 AM
It probably didn't register given the interviewer asked if he had irrefutable evidence to which he replied we have strong evidence....so no irrefutable evidence.

You claimed to have solved the case around a year ago. to make this claim...did you have concrete evidence...irrefutable evidence...or just very weak evidence. I think its the latter
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 03, 2020, 07:58:58 AM
Quote from: misty on July 03, 2020, 12:54:17 AM
Sometimes it is possible for experts to work out a more precise location of a mobile phone call by looking at data showing strength of the signal received at the mast(s). I believe there were 3 masts in & around Luz which may have provided such data.
The important matter now for the Germans is to identify the other caller. It may just turn out to be one of his girlfriends.

Three masts? I thought there were two.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 03, 2020, 07:58:58 AM
Three masts? I thought there were two.

I don't think anyone here  really knows....apart from thr police of course...and I don't think anyone here knows how accurate the location is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:05:09 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 07:46:06 AM
It probably didn't register given the interviewer asked if he had irrefutable evidence to which he replied we have strong evidence....so no irrefutable evidence.
Snuff movie on a pendrive?... https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=1161 (https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=1161)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 08:13:48 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:05:09 AM
Snuff movie on a pendrive?... https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=1161 (https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=1161)

HCW has come out and said no evidence re either car...but he refuses to comment on the photo/video evidence. I think its reasonable to draw some inference from that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 08:22:54 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 08:03:05 AM
I don't think anyone here  really knows....apart from thr police of course...and I don't think anyone here knows how accurate the location is.

I think it's fair to conclude he was "in the PDL area". As were other known paedophiles. Just like pretty much everywhere sadly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:24:29 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 02, 2020, 12:36:24 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393497/How-Madeleine-suspect-slept-attic.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393497/How-Madeleine-suspect-slept-attic.html)

Thanks Myster.  Is Mr Bischof the person who took on the re-reg of the Jag?

He said he had agreed to take on the registration of Brueckner's Jaguar XJR6. The car was registered to another driver the day after Maddie vanished.

According to Mr Bischof CB hitched up the Jag to the campervan and drove from Portugal to Germany.  Who would drive two very distinguishable cars such a long distance, over different jurisdictions, if there was anything incriminating about them?

He probably rersgisteted the Jag to get it back to Germany.  Maybe for insurance or only able to take one vehicle in without paying a levy something like that/entirely innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 08:24:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 08:13:48 AM
HCW has come out and said no evidence re either car...but he refuses to comment on the photo/video evidence. I think its reasonable to draw some inference from that.

From what they say themselves they don't (yet) have the evidence to charge him never mind secure a conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:26:31 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:24:29 AM
Thanks Myster.  Is Mr Bischof the person who took on the re-reg of the Jag?

He said he had agreed to take on the registration of Brueckner's Jaguar XJR6. The car was registered to another driver the day after Maddie vanished.

According to Mr Bischof CB hitched up the Jag to the campervan and drove from Portugal to Germany.  Who would drive two very distinguishable cars such a long distance, over different jurisdictions, if there was anything incriminating about them?

He probably rersgisteted the Jag to get it back to Germany.  Maybe for insurance or only able to take one vehicle in without paying a levy something like that/entirely innocent.
Yes, probably, he strikes me as the entirely innocent type.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:31:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 08:13:48 AM
HCW has come out and said no evidence re either car...but he refuses to comment on the photo/video evidence. I think its reasonable to draw some inference from that.

You cherry pick imo.  On the one hand the dog alerts and LCN DNA are meaningless and yet a lot of noise from HCW is a slamdunk!

And before you start trying to defend the dogs/LCN DNA I agree they're both meaningless.  As meaningless as all the noise about CB which will go nowhere.

And I know you think my theory is rubbish  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 08:32:06 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 08:24:37 AM
From what they say themselves they don't (yet) have the evidence to charge him never mind secure a conviction.
We don't know what they have ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 08:32:38 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 08:24:37 AM
From what they say themselves they don't (yet) have the evidence to charge him never mind secure a conviction.

Secondhand information and hearsay at the moment. If the golden bullet of evidence doesn't point to him then what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 08:34:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 08:32:06 AM
We don't know what they have ...

We know what they've said though. They don't have enough evidence to charge him or to secure an arrest warrant for this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 08:34:54 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:31:44 AM
You cherry pick imo.  On the one hand the dog alerts and LCN DNA are meaningless and yet a lot of noise from HCW is a slamdunk!

And before you start trying to defend the dogs/LCN DNA I agree they're both meaningless.  As meaningless as all the noise about CB which will go nowhere.

And I know you think my theory is rubbish  8((()*/

What I'm saying which I think I think is a fact is that you don't have any real evidence to support your theory...is that true. Or do you too have concrete evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 08:34:10 AM
We know what they've said though. They don't have enough evidence to charge him or to secure an arrest warrant for this case.

Do they have photos of Maddie on the memory stick
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 08:36:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 08:13:48 AM
HCW has come out and said no evidence re either car...but he refuses to comment on the photo/video evidence. I think its reasonable to draw some inference from that.

Who (if  such a thing exist's ) would identify Madeleine as a victim?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:37:16 AM
Why weren’t all the people quick to point repeatedly and with an apparent amount of glee out that the police don’t have enough evidence to charge CB doing likewise regarding the McCanns?  Instead it’s all “slowly, slowly catchee monkey” when referring to the case against them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 08:32:06 AM
We don't know what they have ...

We do know they do have enough to arrest him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:38:18 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:26:31 AM
Yes, probably, he strikes me as the entirely innocent type.

Its not a question of whether he's the entirely innocent type but is he involved in MM's disappearance?

If he wanted to get those vehicles from Portugal to Germany, he would probably appreciate he needed to get his paperwork in order.  Driving around PDL is one thing.  Towing a vehicle on motorways across Europe another. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:05:09 AM
Snuff movie on a pendrive?... https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=1161 (https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=1161)

Doesn't mean to say he made it,if it exist's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:05:09 AM
Snuff movie on a pendrive?... https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=1161 (https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=1161)
Go on, how much?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:58:43 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 03, 2020, 08:39:23 AM
Doesn't mean to say he made it,if it exist's.
... exists...

All you doubting Thomasinas!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:58:43 AM
... exists...

All you doubting Thomasinas!

Ok,we'll play that game,its illegal to own it,but here's the thing who made it? just because it was found amongst his stuff  doesn't mean to say he did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 03, 2020, 09:11:32 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 03, 2020, 09:04:00 AM
Ok,we'll play that game,its illegal to own it,but here's the thing who made it? just because it was found amongst his stuff  doesn't mean to say he did.
Patently obvious... technology nerd who owned stolen mobile phones, camera, video camera, Apple computer from Casa Jacaranda, discarded monitors at his German factory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:37:16 AM
Why weren’t all the people quick to point repeatedly and with an apparent amount of glee out that the police don’t have enough evidence to charge CB doing likewise regarding the McCanns?  Instead it’s all “slowly, slowly catchee monkey” when referring to the case against them.

There's irrefutable evidence that a) Mc's were in 5a, b) in close proximity to MM when she disappeared and c) all the stats show when small children come to harm/disappear its usually at the hands of their caregivers as opposed to strangers.

There's not a shred of evidence CB ever stepped inside 5a or had any contact whatsoever with MM.  Just a bunch of desperate cops who are trying to construct a case against CB out of thin air. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 10:01:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 07:52:50 AM
semantics obviously.....irrefutable evidence would be proof. What I think we can can assume is there is strong evidence.

But not strong enough for officialdom to even name him let alone bring charges.  They did the cowardly thing by putting enough out there knowing the tabloids would pick up.  I hope CB sues the pants off the lot of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: misty on July 03, 2020, 12:54:17 AM
Sometimes it is possible for experts to work out a more precise location of a mobile phone call by looking at data showing strength of the signal received at the mast(s). I believe there were 3 masts in & around Luz which may have provided such data.
The important matter now for the Germans is to identify the other caller. It may just turn out to be one of his girlfriends.
Mention was made of Nicole Fehlinger and her father, Dieter who described the Winnebago conversation. Brückner lived on and off with her and her then boyfriend, Roman in Foral at Villa Bianca. I wonder if investigators were able to track them down? She ran a rehabilitation programme for German children at the time.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11808690/madeleine-mccann-suspect-gun-criminal-foral/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 03, 2020, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:53:06 AM
There's irrefutable evidence that a) Mc's were in 5a, b) in close proximity to MM when she disappeared and c) all the stats show when small children come to harm/disappear its usually at the hands of their caregivers as opposed to strangers.

There's not a shred of evidence CB ever stepped inside 5a or had any contact whatsoever with MM.  Just a bunch of desperate cops who are trying to construct a case against CB out of thin air.
There's not a shred of evidence Mrs T. ever stepped inside 5a or had any contact whatsoever with MM.  Just a desperate poster who's trying to construct a case against Mrs T. out of thin air.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 10:10:47 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 03, 2020, 10:08:05 AM
There's not a shred of evidence Mrs T. ever stepped inside 5a or had any contact whatsoever with MM.  Just a desperate poster who's trying to construct a case against Mrs T. out of thin air.


Theres not a shred of evidence that the German suspect was in side 5a,but boy he was alledged to be in Luz so it was him wot dunnit
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 10:28:02 AM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 10:06:58 AM
Mention was made of Nicole Fehlinger and her father, Dieter who described the Winnebago conversation. Brückner lived on and off with her and her then boyfriend, Roman in Foral at Villa Bianca. I wonder if investigators were able to track them down? She ran a rehabilitation programme for German children at the time.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11808690/madeleine-mccann-suspect-gun-criminal-foral/

Anthro why are you and Misty keen on quoting The Sun?  Do you think it is a reliable source of info?

The woman who run some sort of prog for German children was interviewed in one of the vids posted up but I've no idea how athentic/reliable it is.  I will try and find it later when I have more time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 10:40:17 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 03, 2020, 10:08:05 AM
There's not a shred of evidence Mrs T. ever stepped inside 5a or had any contact whatsoever with MM.  Just a desperate poster who's trying to construct a case against Mrs T. out of thin air.

Mr and Mrs T were only a few metres away from 5A and MM shortly before she disappeared no dodgy phone evidence needed in a futile attempt to prove. Moreover its likely the pair knew about the Mc's MO of an evening and the recent attempted burglary up above hence the 'staged' window/shutter.

No one knows the motive. 

Some here have highly prejudiced minds and can't conceive of seemingly law abiding ordinary people abducting a child for whatever reason.  I have no such problem because that's what the evidence supports. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 02, 2020, 05:12:27 PM
You’re the one convinced he’s being set up, why do you expect me to try and work out why?  I don’t think he is, you do, you tell us why, only you can’t because it’s nonsense.


It all revolves around the mobile they have to prove the phone is his.

Not just a written down number in a phone book.

It seems to me they are desperate to put a name to the phone number.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 10:58:14 AM
I would also question HCW's psyche in what appears to be his need to claim MM is dead without considering the impact this will have on MM's family and friends.

What operational reasons exist for such a claim to be made?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 03, 2020, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 10:40:17 AM
Mr and Mrs T were only a few metres away from 5A and MM shortly before she disappeared no dodgy phone evidence needed in a futile attempt to prove. Moreover its likely the pair knew about the Mc's MO of an evening and the recent attempted burglary up above hence the 'staged' window/shutter.

No one knows the motive. 

Some here have highly prejudiced minds and can't conceive of seemingly law abiding ordinary people abducting a child for whatever reason.  I have no such problem because that's what the evidence supports.

A quote from the first arguido...
"So I am supposed to have planned the kidnapping of a little girl inside 50 hours," he told me, shaking his head.

"In that time, I supposedly identified the apartment where she was sleeping and spied on her, and worked out the times her parents went to dinner each night, then took her away. It's ludicrous."


Based on the fact your own suspects made one previous visit to Block 5 on Sunday 29th April when the T9 hadn't even taken their first dinner at Tapas Bar, how on earth would they have known about what would become the McCanns' routine for the week? Your suspects were in the Algarve to buy a property, not commit the crime of the century. My money would always be on people who had means, motive & opportunity to steal a child.
BTW What is an acceptable source of information for you - one that doesn't have direct quotes from a potential witness?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 10:49:14 AM

It all revolves around the mobile they have to prove the phone is his.

Not just a written down number in a phone book.

It seems to me they are desperate to put a name to the phone number.

Even if the authorities can place CB and his phone in close proximity to 5A, which I very much doubt, but so what maybe en route to supermarket or collect takeaway from Tapas. 

The police are desperate to get a resolve and clutching at straws: guy with previous, incl we're told child sex abuse and theft/burglary, drifted around the area in a campervan, had a mobile and call in the PDL area an hour or two before MM disappeared.  So what? It's not even circumstantial evidence.  It's just someone who needs ruling out because he has previous.

Others with camper vans were ruled out: Barrington and the Romanians.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 11:16:28 AM
Quote from: misty on July 03, 2020, 11:07:25 AM
A quote from the first arguido...
"So I am supposed to have planned the kidnapping of a little girl inside 50 hours," he told me, shaking his head.

"In that time, I supposedly identified the apartment where she was sleeping and spied on her, and worked out the times her parents went to dinner each night, then took her away. It's ludicrous."


Based on the fact your own suspects made one previous visit to Block 5 on Sunday 29th April when the T9 hadn't even taken their first dinner at Tapas Bar, how on earth would they have known about what would become the McCanns' routine for the week? Your suspects were in the Algarve to buy a property, not commit the crime of the century. My money would always be on people who had means, motive & opportunity to steal a child.
BTW What is an acceptable source of information for you - one that doesn't have direct quotes from a potential witness?

I rather think the T's not only observed much with their own eyes but got to hear a lot through Ms F too!

With regard to your other points may I suggest you put both wit stats, Ms T and Ms F, under the microscope and look again. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 11:22:03 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:53:06 AM
There's irrefutable evidence that a) Mc's were in 5a, b) in close proximity to MM when she disappeared and c) all the stats show when small children come to harm/disappear its usually at the hands of their caregivers as opposed to strangers.

There's not a shred of evidence CB ever stepped inside 5a or had any contact whatsoever with MM.  Just a bunch of desperate cops who are trying to construct a case against CB out of thin air.

It depends on whats on the memory stick.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 03, 2020, 11:27:27 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 11:16:28 AM
I rather think the T's not only observed much with their own eyes but got to hear a lot through Ms F too!

With regard to your other points may I suggest you put both wit stats, Ms T and Ms F, under the microscope and look again.

I would prefer you to provide links to the aspects of the 2 statements which tend to support the occupant & visitors of 5G having had a detailed knowledge of the McCann family routine that week.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 11:33:28 AM
Does anyone really know as fact that the mobile actually belonged to CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 03, 2020, 11:35:16 AM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 10:06:58 AM
Mention was made of Nicole Fehlinger and her father, Dieter who described the Winnebago conversation. Brückner lived on and off with her and her then boyfriend, Roman in Foral at Villa Bianca. I wonder if investigators were able to track them down? She ran a rehabilitation programme for German children at the time.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11808690/madeleine-mccann-suspect-gun-criminal-foral/

The German police have been very canny in not issuing details of the approximate location of the unknown mobile phone holder at the time of the call on 3rd May. There must be a very good reason for that.
I would hope that if NF had been tracked down then she would be able to provide police with more details about Roman's whereabouts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 11:36:32 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 11:22:03 AM
It depends on whats on the memory stick.

If its incriminating why are the authorities appealing for info about vehicles and tel numbers?  And why no charges? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 11:42:59 AM
Quote from: misty on July 03, 2020, 11:27:27 AM
I would prefer you to provide links to the aspects of the 2 statements which tend to support the occupant & visitors of 5G having had a detailed knowledge of the McCann family routine that week.

I'll pm you later. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 11:22:03 AM
It depends on whats on the memory stick.
Why not charge him with possession of indecent images of children as a minimum?
It's clearly no smoking gun (I hate that idiom) in respect of him clearly being identifiable perpetrating some heinous act, so what's left to charge him with?
If this is just a build-a-case effort, then they may have shot themselves in the face if they can't make all the threads come together.
We assume they have:
- a memory stick found under a dead dog
- a phone ping (let's put the azimuth / triangulation aside for a moment)
- logged phone calls in 'the vicinty' (see above)
- a suspect who was in the general locale, indeed he lived there
- a suspect with matching deviant proclivities
- a witness statement from an erstwhile confederate / associate

What they don't have (assumed):
- a body
- an eye witness
- any DNA harvested
- any other forensics
- a confession
- corroboration of the phone calls
- not enough incriminating evidence on the memory stick (but surely enough to charge him with something?)

To make such an extraordinary appeal confirms the assumption that their version of the CPS has refused them leave to charge, so the evidence isn't enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 11:36:32 AM
If its incriminating why are the authorities appealing for info about vehicles and tel numbers?  And why no charges?
Because at the moment they dont want to reveal the evidence they have...as I recall this is what they have said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
We do know they do have enough to arrest him.

we actually dont know that...they dont need to arrest him...hes going nowhere
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 11:48:59 AM
Because at the moment they dont want to reveal the evidence they have...as I recall this is what they have said

So they tell us, yes, but it begs the q if its anywhere near good why the need to for the publics help in assisting with vehicles and tel numbers?  The vehicles by all accounts  belonged to CB.  Are they hoping someone saw one of these vehicles in a remote location so they can plead with PJ to bring in Grimes and his dogs and start digging? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
So they tell us, yes, but it begs the q if its anywhere near good why the need to for the publics help in assisting with vehicles and tel numbers?  The vehicles by all accounts  belonged to CB.  Are they hoping someone saw one of these vehicles in a remote location so they can plead with PJ to bring in Grimes and his dogs and start digging?

Its not my place to second guess the investigation...obviously if that vehicle was seen around 5a that night it would be highly significant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 03, 2020, 12:19:46 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
So they tell us, yes, but it begs the q if its anywhere near good why the need to for the publics help in assisting with vehicles and tel numbers?  The vehicles by all accounts  belonged to CB.  Are they hoping someone saw one of these vehicles in a remote location so they can plead with PJ to bring in Grimes and his dogs and start digging?

The police may have background images at the location where a crime against Madeleine was committed. It would assist the police to know where CB's known vehicle's were between the time Madeleine was taken & the time/date on the images to narrow the search areas down.
Alternatively, if records show that the phone attributed to CB was inactive for a period of time after the 7.32pm phone call, the police would need to investigate the reason for that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 12:16:30 PM
Its not my place to second guess the investigation...obviously if that vehicle was seen around 5a that night it would be highly significant.

You don't think others would have seen that highly distinguishable vehicle in close proximity to 5A eg T7 when carrying out checks, Moyes, JW when he was strolling around, PF etc? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:21:29 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
You don't think others would have seen that highly distinguishable vehicle in close proximity to 5A eg T7 when carrying out checks, Moyes, JW when he was strolling around, PF etc?

Dr T did he see it? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
You don't think others would have seen that highly distinguishable vehicle in close proximity to 5A eg T7 when carrying out checks, Moyes, JW when he was strolling around, PF etc?

if hes the abductor they didnt see him so they may not have seen his vehicle. Its  a matter of exploring all possibilities
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:30:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 12:22:16 PM
if hes the abductor they didnt see him so they may not have seen his vehicle. Its  a matter of exploring all possibilities

That's not what you said Davel:

Its not my place to second guess the investigation...obviously if that vehicle was seen around 5a that night it would be highly significant.

No one would commit a crime in such a highly distinguishable vehicle that could easily be identified and traced.  Moreover the vehicles were registered to him. 

If he was going to commit such a crime and needed a vehicle he would steal something run of the mill and then torch it afterwards. 

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:30:51 PM
That's not what you said Davel:

Its not my place to second guess the investigation...obviously if that vehicle was seen around 5a that night it would be highly significant.

No one would commit a crime in such a highly distinguishable vehicle that could easily be identified and traced.  Moreover the vehicles were registered to him. 

If he was going to commit such a crime and needed a vehicle he would steal something run of the mill and then torch it afterwards.

There was a car burnt out.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/murat-friend-quizzed-over-madeleine-finds-car-torched-and-the-word-speak-scrawled-beside-it-7294259.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:30:51 PM
That's not what you said Davel:

Its not my place to second guess the investigation...obviously if that vehicle was seen around 5a that night it would be highly significant.

No one would commit a crime in such a highly distinguishable vehicle that could easily be identified and traced.  Moreover the vehicles were registered to him. 

If he was going to commit such a crime and needed a vehicle he would steal something run of the mill and then torch it afterwards.

I stand by what I said. You need to understand just because you think something doesn't make it true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 03, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 12:22:16 PM
if hes the abductor they didnt see him so they may not have seen his vehicle. Its  a matter of exploring all possibilities

I've often wondered about significance of the red car featured on Crimewatch 2013 in the reconstruction of the crime scene.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:58:14 PM
Quote from: misty on July 03, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
I've often wondered about significance of the red car featured on Crimewatch 2013 in the reconstruction of the crime scene.

I would say the significance of all of them is to illustrate to the viewer it's a car park! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 12:30:51 PM
That's not what you said Davel:

Its not my place to second guess the investigation...obviously if that vehicle was seen around 5a that night it would be highly significant.

No one would commit a crime in such a highly distinguishable vehicle that could easily be identified and traced.  Moreover the vehicles were registered to him. 

If he was going to commit such a crime and needed a vehicle he would steal something run of the mill and then torch it afterwards.
Ditto the phone. He'd have to be a special kind of stupid to rock up in his own wheels, on his own phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 03, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
Ditto the phone. He'd have to be a special kind of stupid to rock up in his own wheels, on his own phone.

Or just thought he wouldn't be caught,  he hadn't been caught before had he?   I doubt if he would have parked his car in the road probably further away but the phone yes I would think he would have used that,  well he did didn't he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:14:40 PM
More information from Heri r.e. phone masts.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-this.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 03, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
Or just thought he wouldn't be caught,  he hadn't been caught before had he?   I doubt if he would have parked his car in the road probably further away but the phone yes I would think he would have used that,  well he did didn't he?
erm....you know......erm......err......he'd been caught several times before, but not for being a brain donor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:14:40 PM
More information from Heri r.e. phone masts.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-this.html
Not really more. SIL did this (and more) about 8 years ago, using contemporaneous data. Any technological iterations thereafter are moot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: misty on July 03, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
I've often wondered about significance of the red car featured on Crimewatch 2013 in the reconstruction of the crime scene.

Where was it parked in relation to Smithman;s direction of travel?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 03, 2020, 01:20:58 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:14:40 PM
More information from Heri r.e. phone masts.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-this.html

Can't see that it adds anything to what is not already known.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:14:40 PM
More information from Heri r.e. phone masts.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-this.html

I'm still not getting why these phones numbers aren't in the pj files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:23:29 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
Ditto the phone. He'd have to be a special kind of stupid to rock up in his own wheels, on his own phone.

If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.  Me thinks the Germans should stick to what they do well: manufacturing cars and white goods and playing football. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:23:29 PM
If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.  Me thinks the Germans should stick to what they do well: manufacturing cars and white goods and playing football.

You were doing so well until the football bit. 8)><(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 10:28:02 AM
Anthro why are you and Misty keen on quoting The Sun?  Do you think it is a reliable source of info?

The woman who run some sort of prog for German children was interviewed in one of the vids posted up but I've no idea how athentic/reliable it is.  I will try and find it later when I have more time.

You do realise that Reuters’ members include broadcasters and newspapers? What is recorded in one publication will also be published in all the others’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:31:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 03, 2020, 01:25:02 PM
You were doing so well until the football bit. 8)><(

Wimmins! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:26:46 PM
You do realise that Reuters’ members include broadcasters and newspapers? What is recorded in one publication will also be published in all the others’.

Yes I do thank you Anthro.  Its the reason I set up the following thread which perhaps unsurprisingly isn't very popular:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 03, 2020, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 03, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
I'm still not getting why these phones numbers aren't in the pj files.

Strange
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:37:14 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:33:34 PM
Yes I do thank you Anthro.  Its the reason I set up the following thread which perhaps unsurprisingly isn't very popular:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327

So, what  is your point exactly?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:37:14 PM
So, what  is your point exactly?

Which part of it don't you understand? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:49:18 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
Which part of it don't you understand?
You question why Misty and me like quoting from a particular publication. It is irrelevant where the quotation comes from.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:49:18 PM
You question why Misty and me like quoting from a particular publication. It is irrelevant where the quotation comes from.

Try telling that to the vitims' families of Hillsborough:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/919113/we-are-sorry-for-our-gravest-error/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:33:34 PM
Yes I do thank you Anthro.  Its the reason I set up the following thread which perhaps unsurprisingly isn't very popular:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327

Probably superfluous since we already have this one ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 01:14:40 PM
More information from Heri r.e. phone masts.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-this.html

When given their head both GNR dogs independently followed a trail to 5J an empty apartment above the McCanns and showed a great deal of interest at the door.  Later it was thought they had alerted to rotting food in the fridge.

I wonder if that might be where one of the handsets might have been located.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:58:03 PM
Try telling that to the vitims' families of Hillsborough:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/919113/we-are-sorry-for-our-gravest-error/

Off topic and irrelevant to the present discussion ... in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 02:13:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 03, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
I'm still not getting why these phones numbers aren't in the pj files.

You have not seen all the files ... just as you have not seen everything the Germans have on their prime suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 03, 2020, 02:14:38 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 02:09:31 PM
When given their head both GNR dogs independently followed a trail to 5J an empty apartment above the McCanns and showed a great deal of interest at the door.  Later it was thought they had alerted to rotting food in the fridge.

I wonder if that might be where one of the handsets might have been located.

What's the connection between the dogs and phone location ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 02:14:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 02:01:00 PM
Probably superfluous since we already have this one ?

Where? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 02:14:55 PM
Where?

Take your query to somewhere it has a chance of being on topic this thread is to discuss the Germans' prime suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 02:22:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 03, 2020, 10:10:47 AM

Theres not a shred of evidence that the German suspect was in side 5a,but boy he was alledged to be in Luz so it was him wot dunnit
I don’t think anyone here has disputed that. Hypothetically and theoretically, this person could have knocked on the front door while Madeleine was awake, for instance, using the bathroom and she opened it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 03, 2020, 02:14:38 PM
What's the connection between the dogs and phone location ?
Please try to keep up with the discussion and stick to the topic at the same time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 02:13:12 PM
You have not seen all the files ... just as you have not seen everything the Germans have on their prime suspect.

Plural?  I'm beginning to think the file might resemble this...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 02:22:57 PM
I don’t think anyone here has disputed that. Hypothetically and theoretically, this person could have knocked on the front door while Madeleine was awake, for instance, using the bathroom and she opened it.

And he didn't just grab her and run back to his Jag or Campervan?  Instead he asked her to wait by the door while he went in and opened the window and shutter? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 03, 2020, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
Please try to keep up with the discussion and stick to the topic at the same time.

You brought up about the phone. Post 4617  Were you off topic ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 02:28:49 PM
And he didn't just grab her and run back to his Jag or Campervan?  Instead he asked her to wait by the door while he went in and opened the window and shutter?

Now if you said she stepped in to a path of a car, not saying its like that but no ones ruled it out, only that it was unlikely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 02:28:49 PM
And he didn't just grab her and run back to his Jag or Campervan?  Instead he asked her to wait by the door while he went in and opened the window and shutter?
Why are you asking me?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 02:45:41 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 02:35:17 PM
Why are you asking me?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg606008#msg606008
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 03, 2020, 02:29:34 PM
You brought up about the phone. Post 4617  Were you off topic ?

No ... I wasn't.

Snip

A viewer of Germany’s Crimewatch called to say they recognised the +351 916 510 683 mobile number used to have a 30-minute conversation with Brueckner as he stood just yards from the Ocean Club
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-police-tipped-promising-22294371

Perhaps you missed it but the conversation had turned to masts and locations and phones ... based on the information coming out of Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 03:57:38 PM
What a difference to this headline on 3rd of June

Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect

Can you imagine if CB had had a PR man and money to employ top lawyers.

Ok, he is a vile man hundred's around PDL ...that does not make him an abductor.


Seems kmc was worried before she went yet still left them every night ...even after the crying incident.


485 "Right, and you say that Kate and Gerry initially weren't that keen because of, what is it they weren't keen about''
 Reply "Well, say from, you know, from recollections and obviously we have discussed you know the situation since.'

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "Err was that you know Kate had got an uneasy feeling, that's all you know, has come back to her and I remember you know again, whether this is something that's subsequently I feel has happened be, you know before the event, but you know Fiona had certainly mentioned it err that you know Kate wasn't quite you know, didn't feel

 I think Gerry's very, he's very enthusiastic and I think he's you know, you see the way that he's conducted himself you know over the last few months, he's a very sorted person, a very dynamic person you know he was all you know, don't worry you know it'll be fine and everything''

1485 "Yeah.'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 03, 2020, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 03:57:38 PM
What a difference to this headline on 3rd of June

Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect

Can you imagine if CB had had a PR man and money to employ top lawyers.

Ok, he is a vile man hundred's around PDL ...that does not make him an abductor.


Seems kmc was worried before she went yet still left them every night ...even after the crying incident.


485 "Right, and you say that Kate and Gerry initially weren't that keen because of, what is it they weren't keen about''
 Reply "Well, say from, you know, from recollections and obviously we have discussed you know the situation since.'

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "Err was that you know Kate had got an uneasy feeling, that's all you know, has come back to her and I remember you know again, whether this is something that's subsequently I feel has happened be, you know before the event, but you know Fiona had certainly mentioned it err that you know Kate wasn't quite you know, didn't feel

 I think Gerry's very, he's very enthusiastic and I think he's you know, you see the way that he's conducted himself you know over the last few months, he's a very sorted person, a very dynamic person you know he was all you know, don't worry you know it'll be fine and everything''

1485 "Yeah.'


Change the record will you.   It has been done and dusted,  Social Services interviewed them,  the Portuguese stated there was no intent and they couldn't have envisaged what would happen.   All you want to do is keep on about how horrible the McCann's were don't you.   They are suffering from it,  they will suffer for the rest of their lives,  isn't that enough for you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 05:11:20 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 03, 2020, 04:20:33 PM

Change the record will you.   It has been done and dusted,  Social Services interviewed them,  the Portuguese stated there was no intent and they couldn't have envisaged what would happen.   All you want to do is keep on about how horrible the McCann's were don't you.   They are suffering from it,  they will suffer for the rest of their lives,  isn't that enough for you?


Spose  if you believe in the abduction.

I don't so why should I care how mccs feel ..if no abduction seems a lot of cold calculating stuff would go with it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 03, 2020, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 05:11:20 PM

Spose  if you believe in the abduction.

I don't so why should I care how mccs feel ..if no abduction seems a lot of cold calculating stuff would go with it.

You obviously don't care how the McCann's feel.   So they calculated that maybe Madeleine would have an accident if they left her alone?  Is that what you mean?   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:26:01 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:53:06 AM
There's irrefutable evidence that a) Mc's were in 5a, b) in close proximity to MM when she disappeared and c) all the stats show when small children come to harm/disappear its usually at the hands of their caregivers as opposed to strangers.

There's not a shred of evidence CB ever stepped inside 5a or had any contact whatsoever with MM.  Just a bunch of desperate cops who are trying to construct a case against CB out of thin air.
There’s not a shred of evidence your suspects ever stepped inside 5a or had any contact whatsoever with MM but you appear to be convinced you are right!  Double standards, what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:26:56 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 10:01:07 AM
But not strong enough for officialdom to even name him let alone bring charges.  They did the cowardly thing by putting enough out there knowing the tabloids would pick up.  I hope CB sues the pants off the lot of them.
He wouldn’t have a hope in hell of winning, nice for him to know he’s got your support though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:28:19 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 03, 2020, 10:10:47 AM

Theres not a shred of evidence that the German suspect was in side 5a,but boy he was alledged to be in Luz so it was him wot dunnit
D’oh!  Should have read your post first before making exactly the same point!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:29:36 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 10:49:14 AM

It all revolves around the mobile they have to prove the phone is his.

Not just a written down number in a phone book.

It seems to me they are desperate to put a name to the phone number.
Is the above your explanation for why he’s being set up?  It’s not a very good explanation is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:31:33 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 11:42:59 AM
I'll pm you later.
Did you?  Why the secrecy?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:35:59 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 01:23:29 PM
If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.  Me thinks the Germans should stick to what they do well: manufacturing cars and white goods and playing football.
Which countries do good policing in your view?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 03, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
I'm still not getting why these phones numbers aren't in the pj files.
I agree, it seems suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 05:44:48 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 02:45:41 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg606008#msg606008
Holly, you as a high-level member of the forum, I find you extremely disrespectful and condescending in your approach to some members and their contribution to this platform.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:29:36 PM
Is the above your explanation for why he’s being set up?  It’s not a very good explanation is it?

Do I care what you think Id be long gone if i did VS.... ^*&&


Now going back to the phone The Germans seem desperate to show the phone belonged to CB.

IMO it could have belonged to anyone, a lot of calls were deleted from the famous 9 mobiles.


snip

Importance of cell phones and witnesses in the investigation

On the matter of the cell phones and the association of the cell phone numbers during the investigation at the time of the disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral has doubts about the origin of those numbers recently associated with the German suspect Christian Brueckner: "Is anyone sure that this phone belongs to this man?” he questioned, underlining that "small details like this, is what makes the evidence".

The former PJ believes that if the German police knew that the phone number belonged to Brueckner, "they wouldn't need to seek for more information."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 06:05:06 PM
Do I care what you think Id be long gone if i did VS.... ^*&&


Now going back to the phone The Germans seem desperate to show the phone belonged to CB.

IMO it could have belonged to anyone, a lot of calls were deleted from the famous 9 mobiles.


snip

Importance of cell phones and witnesses in the investigation

On the matter of the cell phones and the association of the cell phone numbers during the investigation at the time of the disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral has doubts about the origin of those numbers recently associated with the German suspect Christian Brueckner: "Is anyone sure that this phone belongs to this man?” he questioned, underlining that "small details like this, is what makes the evidence".

The former PJ believes that if the German police knew that the phone number belonged to Brueckner, "they wouldn't need to seek for more information."

i don't know why you continually post info from amaral...the discredited proven  liar...sacked from the investigation. You might be impressed by what he says but others are not
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 06:13:49 PM
i don't know why you continually post info from amaral...the discredited proven  liar...sacked from the investigation. You might be impressed by what he says but others are not


You don't know that .....its inyouropinion D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 06:18:22 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 06:05:06 PM
Do I care what you think Id be long gone if i did VS.... ^*&&


Now going back to the phone The Germans seem desperate to show the phone belonged to CB.

IMO it could have belonged to anyone, a lot of calls were deleted from the famous 9 mobiles.


snip

Importance of cell phones and witnesses in the investigation

On the matter of the cell phones and the association of the cell phone numbers during the investigation at the time of the disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral has doubts about the origin of those numbers recently associated with the German suspect Christian Brueckner: "Is anyone sure that this phone belongs to this man?” he questioned, underlining that "small details like this, is what makes the evidence".

The former PJ believes that if the German police knew that the phone number belonged to Brueckner, "they wouldn't need to seek for more information."
It seems you are completely unable to think of any reason why the Germans would  deliberately set up this guy for the abduction of Madeleine McCann. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 07:03:36 PM
Marc Doutroux the Belgian paedophile kidnapped at least one of his victims using a distinctive campervan, so please let it not be said that a criminal paedophile would never use such a distinctive vehicle to perpetrate such a crime

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_xYFfid_oS8C&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=abductor%27s+camper+van&source=bl&ots=yk1bBscUBy&sig=ACfU3U0-WEfrMnb51kkvV5-LoptDqFTcpA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9joGH1LHqAhUjt3EKHXk9CiQQ6AEwDXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=abductor's%20camper%20van&f=false
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 07:07:22 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 03, 2020, 06:17:01 PM

You don't know that .....its inyouropinion D

the discredited proven  liar...sacked from the investigation. You might be impressed by what he says but others are not


all factual.....no opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 07:08:15 PM
Like CB Doutroux was a petty criminal, thief and drug dealer who at one point owned up to seven properties which he used for conducting his various criminal activities including making child pornography.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 07:03:36 PM
Marc Doutroux the Belgian paedophile kidnapped at least one of his victims using a distinctive campervan, so please let it not be said that a criminal paedophile would never use such a distinctive vehicle to perpetrate such a crime

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_xYFfid_oS8C&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=abductor%27s+camper+van&source=bl&ots=yk1bBscUBy&sig=ACfU3U0-WEfrMnb51kkvV5-LoptDqFTcpA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9joGH1LHqAhUjt3EKHXk9CiQQ6AEwDXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=abductor's%20camper%20van&f=false
Yes, even more so when such person is a psychopath and narcissist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:03:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:26:01 PM
There’s not a shred of evidence your suspects ever stepped inside 5a or had any contact whatsoever with MM but you appear to be convinced you are right!  Double standards, what?

I'm not officialdom!

At the very least anyone and everyone in close proximity to 5A/MM needed to be treated as a suspect and eliminated.  Yes even seemingly 'nice', 'normal', boring, middle class, middle aged, Tory voting, church going, 5 a day fruit and veg, Telegraph readers! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:26:56 PM
He wouldn’t have a hope in hell of winning, nice for him to know he’s got your support though.

Even prisoners have rights.  Bamber has received two payouts: whiplash when transported somewhere in a prison van and a gameboy/PlayStation stolen from his cell.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:31:33 PM
Did you?  Why the secrecy?

Not yet.  Forum rules.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:12:46 PM
Some more fake news to raise the hackles of Holly and other disbelievers...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488073/McCann-suspected-extradited-Portugal-twice-child-sex-offences.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488073/McCann-suspected-extradited-Portugal-twice-child-sex-offences.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:11:39 PM
Even prisoners have rights.  Bamber has received two payouts: whiplash when transported somewhere in a prison van and a gameboy/PlayStation stolen from his cell.
Money for old rope.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:03:10 PM
I'm not officialdom!

At the very least anyone and everyone in close proximity to 5A/MM needed to be treated as a suspect and eliminated.  Yes even seemingly 'nice', 'normal', boring, middle class, middle aged, Tory voting, church going, 5 a day fruit and veg, Telegraph readers!
Would you PLEASE stop trying to imply that either I or the police overlook evidence linking to potential suspects because they are middle class or middle aged, it’s REALLY silly of you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:11:39 PM
Even prisoners have rights.  Bamber has received two payouts: whiplash when transported somewhere in a prison van and a gameboy/PlayStation stolen from his cell.
Why hasn’t he sued the papers for defamation then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:15:29 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:12:46 PM
Some more fake news to raise the hackles of Holly and other disbelievers...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488073/McCann-suspected-extradited-Portugal-twice-child-sex-offences.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488073/McCann-suspected-extradited-Portugal-twice-child-sex-offences.html)
This calls for a link to some UK police cock up methinks!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:17:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 05:35:59 PM
Which countries do good policing in your view?

Those that have heterogenous forces which represent the population at large. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:18:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 05:44:48 PM
Holly, you as a high-level member of the forum, I find you extremely disrespectful and condescending in your approach to some members and their contribution to this platform.

I will pm you the complaints procedure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:18:22 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:17:23 PM
Those that have heterogenous forces which represent the population at large.
examples?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:21:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:13:43 PM
Would you PLEASE stop trying to imply that either I or the police overlook evidence linking to potential suspects because they are middle class or middle aged, it’s REALLY silly of you.

When a small child goes missing anyone and everyone who was in close proximity is treated as a suspect.  No evidence required. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:12:46 PM
Some more fake news to raise the hackles of Holly and other disbelievers...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488073/McCann-suspected-extradited-Portugal-twice-child-sex-offences.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488073/McCann-suspected-extradited-Portugal-twice-child-sex-offences.html)

I see there is criticism of allowing him back into Portugal, but isn't the freedom of movement a tenet of the EU.

Schengen

The free movement of persons is a fundamental right guaranteed by the EU to its citizens. It enables every EU citizen to travel, work and live in any EU country without special formalities. Schengen cooperation enhances this freedom by enabling citizens to cross internal borders without being subjected to border checks. The border-free Schengen Area guarantees free movement to more than 400 million EU citizens, as well as to many non-EU nationals, businessmen, tourists or other persons legally present on the EU territory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 08:22:31 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:18:08 PM
I will pm you the complaints procedure.
I was not complaining. I made a statement for your attention.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:14:10 PM
Why hasn’t he sued the papers for defamation then?

JB was found guilty in court of law.  Not so for CB.  He will sue in the same way Mc's, RM and Christopher Jefferies did. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:25:23 PM
JB was found guilty in court of law.  Not so for CB.  He will sue in the same way Mc's, RM and Christopher Jefferies did.
No he won’t.  He doesn’t have a good name to be damaged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 08:22:31 PM
I was not complaining. I made a statement for your attention.

Why not send a pm then?

I will send you a pm and copy to John.   8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 08:29:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 03:50:56 PM
If the mccs had done there job properly Maddie would be here today.

If the PJ had done their job properly in 2005.., Maddie would still be here today
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 03, 2020, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 08:29:35 PM
If the PJ had done their job properly in 2005.., Maddie would still be here today


How so, irrefutable fact or opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 08:31:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:25:23 PM
JB was found guilty in court of law.  Not so for CB.  He will sue in the same way Mc's, RM and Christopher Jefferies did.
What a further ridiculous suggestion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:27:12 PM
No he won’t.  He doesn’t have a good name to be damaged.

He was an unknown entity before all of this.  I've yet to see any authentic/official court records re his previous.  I'm dubious about the rape charge.  If he leaves prison in the near future what are his prospects for a job, housing or any sort of 'normal' life? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:32:38 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:25:23 PM
JB was found guilty in court of law.  Not so for CB.  He will sue in the same way Mc's, RM and Christopher Jefferies did.
Ballcocks as usual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:33:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 08:31:34 PM
What a further ridiculous suggestion

In what way is it ridiculous Davel?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2020, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:32:07 PM
He was an unknown entity before all of this.  I've yet to see any authentic/official court records re his previous.  I'm dubious about the rape charge.  If he leaves prison in the near future what are his prospects for a job, housing or any sort of 'normal' life?

You continue to make yourself look completely ridiculous...at least you are good at something..imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:32:07 PM
He was an unknown entity before all of this.  I've yet to see any authentic/official court records re his previous.  I'm dubious about the rape charge.  If he leaves prison in the near future what are his prospects for a job, housing or any sort of 'normal' life?
He'll be back to PdL again to resume his depraved, thieving existence!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:21:04 PM
When a small child goes missing anyone and everyone who was in close proximity is treated as a suspect.  No evidence required.
Were your suspects in close proximity on the night Madeleine was abducted?   Obviously you believe they were but without any actual evidence they were why would you expect the police to treat them as suspects?  In any case the police on the ground when a small child went missing were the Portuguese police.  Are you suggesting that they are overly influenced by middle class, middle aged British Telegraph readers, believing them incapable of committing crimes? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:32:07 PM
He was an unknown entity before all of this.  I've yet to see any authentic/official court records re his previous.  I'm dubious about the rape charge.  If he leaves prison in the near future what are his prospects for a job, housing or any sort of 'normal' life?
You’re absolutely right.  If Christian Bruckner is not actually in prison and is not a rapist and paedophile I’m sure he will sue.  But for that to be the case this would have to be the most incredible police / media cock-up of all time. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 08:51:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 08:34:34 PM
You continue to make yourself look completely ridiculous...at least you are good at something..imo
One more thing than you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:52:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
Were your suspects in close proximity on the night Madeleine was abducted?   Obviously you believe they were but without any actual evidence they were why would you expect the police to treat them as suspects?  In any case the police on the ground when a small child went missing were the Portuguese police.  Are you suggesting that they are overly influenced by middle class, middle aged British Telegraph readers, believing them incapable of committing crimes?

My suspects claim to have left OC at circa 6.30 pm on 3rd May. 

Afaik the police will always treat caregivers as suspects when a small child comes to harm/disappears.  Perhaps not surprising as they're usually not exposed to others.  I guess its the reason why Lindy Chamberlain and Sally Clarke were both found guilty and the Mc's were made arguidoes. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 03, 2020, 08:54:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 03, 2020, 08:22:27 PM
I see there is criticism of allowing him back into Portugal, but isn't the freedom of movement a tenet of the EU.

Schengen

The free movement of persons is a fundamental right guaranteed by the EU to its citizens. It enables every EU citizen to travel, work and live in any EU country without special formalities. Schengen cooperation enhances this freedom by enabling citizens to cross internal borders without being subjected to border checks. The border-free Schengen Area guarantees free movement to more than 400 million EU citizens, as well as to many non-EU nationals, businessmen, tourists or other persons legally present on the EU territory.
Thank god were out... almost!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:54:25 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 08:51:45 PM
One more thing than you.
That’s a bit mean HB x
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:55:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2020, 08:29:35 PM
If the PJ had done their job properly in 2005.., Maddie would still be here today

If the Mc's had been responsible parents the PJ could have had an early night on 3rd May.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 08:40:17 PM
You’re absolutely right.  If Christian Bruckner is not actually in prison and is not a rapist and paedophile I’m sure he will sue.  But for that to be the case this would have to be the most incredible police / media cock-up of all time.

Afaik he's currently in Kiel prison, Germany serving a short sentence for drug dealing.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 03, 2020, 09:03:32 PM
313 pages of nothing but speculation. Where is the actual evidence that he was involved? The biggest joke is the Germans claiming they have concrete evidence  @)(++(* They will backtrack soon enough on that nonsense  *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
Afaik he's currently in Kiel prison, Germany serving a short sentence for drug dealing.
And no prospect of parole for another six months.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
Afaik he's currently in Kiel prison, Germany serving a short sentence for drug dealing.
One has to be concerned about the fair discharging of due process over there, if he's eventually charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:55:58 PM
If the Mc's had been responsible parents the PJ could have had an early night on 3rd May.
Your statement lacks context.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:08:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
And no prospect of parole for another six months.

Afaik he's eligible for parole after 2/3 of sentence served which is about now. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 09:08:15 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
Afaik he's currently in Kiel prison, Germany serving a short sentence for drug dealing.
And the other crimes, the rape and the child abuse you believe is all made up?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 09:08:42 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
One has to be concerned about the fair discharging of due process over there, if he's eventually charged.
Why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 09:09:11 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 03, 2020, 09:03:32 PM
313 pages of nothing but speculation. Where is the actual evidence that he was involved? The biggest joke is the Germans claiming they have concrete evidence  @)(++(* They will backtrack soon enough on that nonsense  *%87
Apparently it's not about the memory stick now, it's 600+ calls that have been narrowed down; narrowed to one top up card and when it was topped up.
So this 'concrete' hasn't gone off yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:09:47 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
Your statement lacks context.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg606115#msg606115
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 09:10:16 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 03, 2020, 09:03:32 PM
313 pages of nothing but speculation. Where is the actual evidence that he was involved? The biggest joke is the Germans claiming they have concrete evidence  @)(++(* They will backtrack soon enough on that nonsense  *%87
Yep, it’s squeaky bum time for those dastardly McCanns now and no mistake!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 09:10:16 PM
Yep, it’s squeaky bum time for those dastardly McCanns now and no mistake!
I know, right? New pair of kecks to go!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 09:13:43 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 09:12:35 PM
I know, right? New pair of kecks to go!
There coming to take them away haha heehee!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:17:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 09:08:15 PM
And the other crimes, the rape and the child abuse you believe is all made up?

I haven't seen anything official about the rape.:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327

He appears to have some previous for child molestation relating to his youth and more recently a conviction for child pornograpgy, but without authentic court docs I wouldn't like to commit. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 09:18:00 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:08:08 PM
Afaik he's eligible for parole after 2/3 of sentence served which is about now.
True. Read the statements as amended by German officials.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 09:22:53 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12027430/madeleine-mccann-portugal-germany-sex-crimes-christian-b/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 03, 2020, 09:22:53 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12027430/madeleine-mccann-portugal-germany-sex-crimes-christian-b/

Let's assume there's some truth to it and the PJ were useless in connecting dots how come the Mc's 4 private detective agencies and MET overlooked from time OG was set up in 2013 up until CB came up on the radar? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:17:09 PM
I haven't seen anything official about the rape.:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327

He appears to have some previous for child molestation relating to his youth and more recently a conviction for child pornograpgy, but without authentic court docs I wouldn't like to commit.
Have you seen official court documents pertaining to Rose West’s trial?  If not do you have doubts about her conviction too?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:56:47 PM
Let's assume there's some truth to it and the PJ were useless in connecting dots how come the Mc's 4 private detective agencies and MET overlooked from time OG was set up in 2013 up until CB came up on the radar?
Do private detectives have access to reports of crimes made to the police?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 10:16:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 10:09:46 PM
Do private detectives have access to reports of crimes made to the police?

Doubt it but I would expect them to be pro-active and seek cooperation from headteachers and equivalent of PTA.

I recall posting about anyone hanging around playgrounds in PDL and SIL, who I understand was on the ground, said he didn't know of any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 10:21:09 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 10:16:35 PM
Doubt it but I would expect them to be pro-active and seek cooperation from headteachers and equivalent of PTA.

I recall posting about anyone hanging around playgrounds in PDL and SIL, who I understand was on the ground, said he didn't know of any.
Whaaaaaat?!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 03, 2020, 10:53:52 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 09:08:08 PM
Afaik he's eligible for parole after 2/3 of sentence served which is about now.

Parole is not an absolute.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 10:56:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 09:10:16 PM
Yep, it’s squeaky bum time for those dastardly McCanns now and no mistake!

They don't appear to want to take Dr Perlin up on his offer.... but this could well be out of their hands when the German is charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 10:56:25 PM
They don't appear to want to take Dr Perlin up on his offer.... but this could well be out of their hands when the German is charged.
Is it even within the McCanns power to grant Perlin his wishes?  But yeah, they must really be quaking in their boots, the game is nearly up and they will be in clink by Xmas, I expect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:06:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 11:00:43 PM
Is it even within the McCanns power to grant Perlin his wishes?  But yeah, they must really be quaking in their boots, the game is nearly up and they will be in clink by Xmas, I expect.
I haven't read much about the technology, but why not use Perlin's services?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 11:12:17 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 10:56:25 PM
They don't appear to want to take Dr Perlin up on his offer.... but this could well be out of their hands when the German is charged.

Perlin has already been discredited in the UK courts over the case of Duffy and Shrivers.

The UK has always been at the cutting edge of Biotech.  No need for an American computer scientist/mathematician who wants to hedge biological samples around mathematical modelling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:06:35 PM
I haven't read much about the technology, but why not use Perlin's services?
Obviously because the DNA samples will prove Madeleine died and the McCanns fingerprints will be all over it or something.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:15:29 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 11:12:17 PM
Perlin has already been discredited in the UK courts over the case of Duffy and Shrivers.

The UK has always been at the cutting edge of Biotech.  No need for an American computer scientist/mathematician who wants to hedge biological samples around mathematical modelling.
Yeh, you have my attention.
I'll report back once I've read the pertinent literature. (But I have an appointment with a table at Wetherspoon's tomorrow at 0900)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 11:13:54 PM
Obviously because the DNA samples will prove Madeleine died and the McCanns fingerprints will be all over it or something.
Stop it now. The sarcasm monitor on the forum just exploded. John just rang me about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 11:17:01 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:15:29 PM
Yeh, you have my attention.
I'll report back once I've read the pertinent literature. (But I have an appointment with a table at Wetherspoon's tomorrow at 0900)
Slacker.  I’ll be there at 6am
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 11:21:40 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
Stop it now. The sarcasm monitor on the forum just exploded. John just rang me about it.
If you can’t beat em join em.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:25:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 11:17:01 PM
Slacker.  I’ll be there at 6am
You lucky b5trd, all the earlier slots round our way were booked solid.
All the winos will be 5h1tfaced by the time I arrive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 11:28:06 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:25:51 PM
You lucky b5trd, all the earlier slots round our way were booked solid.
All the winos will be 5h1tfaced by the time I arrive.
Oh you had to book?  Slight change of plan then....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:29:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 03, 2020, 11:28:06 PM
Oh you had to book?  Slight change of plan then....
Not even joking for a change, liquid breakfast tomorrow, had to book in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2020, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:29:58 PM
Not even joking for a change, liquid breakfast tomorrow, had to book in.
Why though?  I’d rather poke toothpicks in my eyes than get up early to go straight to Wetherspoons to drink beer.  Your posts tomorrow should be doubly entertaining, I will catch them when I eagerly rush home from work to read them at 5pm.Ta ta, HB x
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2020, 11:46:37 PM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 11:06:35 PM
I haven't read much about the technology, but why not use Perlin's services?

Here's some light reading:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1556-4029.2011.01859.x
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 04, 2020, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 03, 2020, 11:12:17 PM
Perlin has already been discredited in the UK courts over the case of Duffy and Shrivers.

The UK has always been at the cutting edge of Biotech.  No need for an American computer scientist/mathematician who wants to hedge biological samples around mathematical modelling.

Or he's been vindicated in the US courts in the case of Darryl Pinkins.

As for the "cutting edge" of the UK's disbanded FSS

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/feb/22/topstories3.ukcrime

"Hundreds of killers and rapists may have escaped justice because of blunders by the government-owned forensic science laboratory that were uncovered by senior police officers reviewing the unsolved murder of Rachel Nickell on Wimbledon Common.

Over a five-year period, the Forensic Science Service (FSS) failed to detect tiny samples of DNA in 2,500 cases involving murders, rapes and serious assaults. Senior officers believe that in many of those cases DNA samples could have been found and matched to suspects, had the FSS used different techniques that were being used by other privately run laboratories.

They are furious at the failings and have demanded an explanation from the FSS. The 2,500 cases will be resubmitted for testing, either at the FSS laboratories or at private labs. The FSS says it may find DNA in about 200 of the 2,500 cases but admits this is merely a guess. Hundreds of suspects who have escaped justice as a result of the mistakes are likely to be rearrested and charged if the new tests provide DNA results."

If and when the German is charged his defence lawyer will surely demand samples associated with this case are re-tested.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on July 04, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 03, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
I'm still not getting why these phones numbers aren't in the pj files.

They are in the not published part of the PJ Files.

See:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-74104.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-74104.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 04, 2020, 01:26:02 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on July 04, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
They are in the not published part of the PJ Files.

See:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-74104.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-74104.html)

Thank You.  I thought so but I wasn't sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 04, 2020, 01:30:40 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on July 04, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
They are in the not published part of the PJ Files.

See:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-74104.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-74104.html)

Very good work but does it prove anything in relation to the latest suspect and a link to a supposed abduction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 04, 2020, 07:12:56 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 04, 2020, 01:30:40 AM
Very good work but does it prove anything in relation to the latest suspect and a link to a supposed abduction?
Of course it doesn’t, but it suggests that there may be a reason why you can’t find the number in the files does it not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 04, 2020, 07:51:51 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 04, 2020, 01:30:40 AM
Very good work but does it prove anything in relation to the latest suspect and a link to a supposed abduction?

It may very well have already done so.

However I think Heri has raised a pertinent question ... why is it considered OK to pore over the data connected to the McCanns and their friends but no-one else's?

I wonder what else there may be of interest which Levy and his bunch of interpreters didn't bother to publish on the internet?
We do not have the full picture because we were never given the information to enable us to make one.  So all those wasted years of bile and vilification were built on castles knowingly built on sand.

From what Heri has published it shows that the information has always been there and available to be used ... it just wasn't used appropriately ... and missed a sex offender recently returned to Portugal after a stint in a German jail and who wasn't at home when the Portuguese police knocked at his door.
But Amaral wasn't too bothered about that ... his radar was pinging off Kate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 04, 2020, 08:22:23 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on July 04, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
They are in the not published part of the PJ Files.

See:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-74104.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-74104.html)

As these files weren't published, may I ask how you know they exist?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 04, 2020, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on July 04, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
They are in the not published part of the PJ Files.

See:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-74104.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-74104.html)

So it kinda begs a question, if these number have been withheld and it being that they were in the unreleased files,were they part of the files on sexual suspects which mean's the alleged german suspect was on the radar and in all likelihood ruled out.If so its taken  until 2017 we are led to believe when a bestest mate dobbed him innit to flag him up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 04, 2020, 08:31:31 AM
Quote from: The General on July 03, 2020, 09:09:11 PM
Apparently it's not about the memory stick now, it's 600+ calls that have been narrowed down; narrowed to one top up card and when it was topped up.
So this 'concrete' hasn't gone off yet.

Bloomin good job it wasn't postcrete.

Probably concrete suspicions rather than evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 04, 2020, 08:32:19 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 04, 2020, 08:22:23 AM
As these files weren't published, may I ask how you know they exist?

How is it known a number is in files not released.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on July 04, 2020, 08:32:37 AM
More incompetence of the Portuguese police....

“McCann suspected extradited from Portugal twice on child sex offences“


https://mol.im/a/8488073


I suppose all you who seem to think Christian Buerbecker isn’t a padophile/rapist/psychopath shouldn’t be interviewed by the police!

Something warped about that mentality...

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 04, 2020, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 04, 2020, 07:51:51 AM
It may very well have already done so.

However I think Heri has raised a pertinent question ... why is it considered OK to pore over the data connected to the McCanns and their friends but no-one else's?

I wonder what else there may be of interest which Levy and his bunch of interpreters didn't bother to publish on the internet?
We do not have the full picture because we were never given the information to enable us to make one.  So all those wasted years of bile and vilification were built on castles knowingly built on sand.

From what Heri has published it shows that the information has always been there and available to be used ... it just wasn't used appropriately ... and missed a sex offender recently returned to Portugal after a stint in a German jail and who wasn't at home when the Portuguese police knocked at his door.
But Amaral wasn't too bothered about that ... his radar was pinging off Kate.

I thought that's what Kate & her bunch of private detectives were doing when she had all those files translated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 04, 2020, 09:19:18 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 04, 2020, 08:28:34 AM
So it kinda begs a question, if these number have been withheld and it being that they were in the unreleased files,were they part of the files on sexual suspects which mean's the alleged german suspect was on the radar and in all likelihood ruled out.If so its taken  until 2017 we are led to believe when a bestest mate dobbed him innit to flag him up.

In my opinion the numbers were never with held.  They just were never published on the internet because they were of no interest to the people who went to a lot of bother to translate and put the files on the internet,

The Levy et al published files have kept people 'amused' for thirteen years ... but they really never told the full story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 04, 2020, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 04, 2020, 09:19:18 AM
In my opinion the numbers were never with held.  They just were never published on the internet because they were of no interest to the people who went to a lot of bother to translate and put the files on the internet,

The Levy et al published files have kept people 'amused' for thirteen years ... but they really never told the full story.

Heriberto thinks they were withheld.

The Portuguese Procuradoria-Geral da República have denied to me the five TMN, Vodafone and Optimus files, which were not included in the DVD released in July 2008.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 04, 2020, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 04, 2020, 08:41:56 AM
I thought that's what Kate & her bunch of private detectives were doing when she had all those files translated.

I believe Madeleine's fund paid for professional translations.  I have no doubt that the Germans and Scotland Yard also had them professionally translated to enable them to see the bigger picture.

In the case of the Germans it led them to evidence that Brueckner's phone had been activated in Luz on the night Madeleine vanished.
I don't think for a minute his was the only number to be checked out ... the burglars interviewed by Scotland Yard would indicate there was a process of elimination ... Brueckner has not yet been eliminated so whether choirboy or bestial fiend has yet to be determined as far as he is concerned.

The phone calls are evidence.  I wonder why Amaral affirmed the police had visited Brueckner but he was out when they called.  Why did they call in the first place???  Was it as a result of investigating the phone records they already had to hand back in 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 04, 2020, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 04, 2020, 09:37:11 AM
Heriberto thinks they were withheld.

The Portuguese Procuradoria-Geral da República have denied to me the five TMN, Vodafone and Optimus files, which were not included in the DVD released in July 2008.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction-request.html

What does that tell you if only the McCann phone records appear to have been of interest to the Judicial Police?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 04, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 04, 2020, 09:49:32 AM
What does that tell you if only the McCann phone records appear to have been of interest to the Judicial Police?

Are you insinuating that the PJ were doing something wrong?

I know that they asked specifically for the records of Murat and his associates and for the T9. According to Heri they also obtained more than 74,000 records of calls and SMS from all mobile phones that activated antennas in Praia da Luz, on May 2, 3 and 4, 2007. I don't know how Heri knows that if those records weren't released.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 04, 2020, 10:08:41 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 04, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
Are you insinuating that the PJ were doing something wrong?

I know that they asked specifically for the records of Murat and his associates and for the T9. According to Heri they also obtained more than 74,000 records of calls and SMS from all mobile phones that activated antennas in Praia da Luz, on May 2, 3 and 4, 2007. I don't know how Heri knows that if those records weren't released.


Are these the one that UK experts worked upon on behalf of the Portuguese  in the early days ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 04, 2020, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 04, 2020, 07:51:51 AM
It may very well have already done so.

However I think Heri has raised a pertinent question ... why is it considered OK to pore over the data connected to the McCanns and their friends but no-one else's?

I wonder what else there may be of interest which Levy and his bunch of interpreters didn't bother to publish on the internet?
We do not have the full picture because we were never given the information to enable us to make one.  So all those wasted years of bile and vilification were built on castles knowingly built on sand.

From what Heri has published it shows that the information has always been there and available to be used ... it just wasn't used appropriately
 ... and missed a sex offender recently returned to Portugal after a stint in a German jail and who wasn't at home when the Portuguese police knocked at his door.
But Amaral wasn't too bothered about that ... his radar was pinging off Kate.

As I understand it it is because the McCann’s and Murat were no longer arguidos whereas the files kept from thd public contained information about people who may have been potential future suspects or people who had been named as possible paedophiles but not convicted as such. Also there was information on known sex offenders that had been eliminated from the MM investigation. I’m sure you see the problem if the public have access to such sensitive information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 11:34:26 AM
There may never be any evidence of CB being an abducter...if there wasn't an abduction in the first place.

Like there as never been any evidence of an abduction in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 11:34:26 AM
There may never be any evidence of CB being an abducter...if there wasn't an abduction in the first place.

Like there as never been any evidence of an abduction in the first place.

There is evidence of abduction but to understand that posters need to understand what the word evidence means
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 04, 2020, 11:44:51 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 11:34:26 AM
There may never be any evidence of CB being an abducter...if there wasn't an abduction in the first place.

Like there as never been any evidence of an abduction in the first place.
Oh, here we go again... same old scratchy bloody record stuck in the same groove year in, year out!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 04, 2020, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 04, 2020, 11:44:51 AM
Oh, here we go again... same old scratchy bloody record stuck in the same groove year in, year out!

And likely to continue until the matter is finally resolved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 04, 2020, 11:44:51 AM
Oh, here we go again... same old scratchy bloody record stuck in the same groove year in, year out!

 @)(++(* Someone else who doesn't like the truth ...At least its a fact Mister.

You can't prove otherwise or there was one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 12:29:10 PM
Interesting responses to questions posed:
https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1279336096980066304 (https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1279336096980066304)

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 04, 2020, 12:29:34 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 12:05:26 PM
@)(++(* Someone else who doesn't like the truth ...At least its a fact Mister.

You can't prove otherwise or there was one.

Strange isn't it,   three Police forces are looking at abduction.  What do you make of that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 12:29:10 PM
Interesting responses to questions posed:
https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1279336096980066304 (https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1279336096980066304)

the most interesting to me...concrete evidence that CB murdered maddie....but not enough to convict
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 04, 2020, 12:33:45 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 12:05:26 PM
@)(++(* Someone else who doesn't like the truth ...At least its a fact Mister.

You can't prove otherwise or there was one.
Using emojis is obviously a sign of your puerility.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 12:38:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 12:33:19 PM
the most interesting to me...concrete evidence that CB murdered maddie....but not enough to convict
....but he admits the phone pings are pretty useless. Which some of us knew.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 04, 2020, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 11:37:47 AM
There is evidence of abduction but to understand that posters need to understand what the word evidence means

Please feel free to enlighten us!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 12:52:36 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 04, 2020, 12:33:45 PM
Using emojis is obviously a sign of your puerility.

Na not childish just more effective than lol.

An proves the only thing...you can prove is you don't like emojis.

Not any proof of abduction apart from the mcs say so.

Imo the rest is tunnel vision of what we are supposed to believe there was an abduction. yet no evidence

Thank goodness not everyone is taken in by that....and have a mind of there own
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 12:55:58 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 12:52:36 PM
Na not childish just more effective than lol.

An proves the only thing...you can prove is you don't like emojis.

Not any proof of abduction apart from the mcs say so.

Imo the rest is tunnel vision of what we are supposed to believe there was an abduction. yet no evidence

Thank goodness not everyone is taken in by that....and have a mind of there own

Thank heavens everyone hasnt been taken in by amarals rubbish....i saw through him early on. you must be blind to accuse posters here of not having a mind of their own. i have looked at all the evidence and can say with certainty ...based on the evidence...the McCanns are not involved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 12:57:56 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 04, 2020, 12:43:03 PM
Please feel free to enlighten us!!
On what...the meaning of the word evidence...you can Google it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 04, 2020, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 04, 2020, 12:29:34 PM
Strange isn't it,   three Police forces are looking at abduction.  What do you make of that?

When have the PJ said as much.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 04, 2020, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 12:52:36 PM
Na not childish just more effective than lol.

An proves the only thing...you can prove is you don't like emojis.

Not any proof of abduction apart from the mcs say so.

Imo the rest is tunnel vision of what we are supposed to believe there was an abduction. yet no evidence

Thank goodness not everyone is taken in by that....and have a mind of there own
So where's your evidence the McCanns disposed of their child?... or are you going to keep on lambasting them for no other reason than you get perverse satisfaction from doing so, just like gobby Poulson?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:04:54 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 12:38:35 PM
....but he admits the phone pings are pretty useless. Which some of us knew.


Seems everything is just guesswork on his behalf IMO.

Something else some of us knows.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:04:54 PM

Seems everything is just guesswork on his behalf IMO.

Something else some of us knows.

Concrete evidence cannot be guesswork
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 12:55:58 PM
Thank heavens everyone hasnt been taken in by amarals rubbish....i saw through him early on. you must be blind to accuse posters here of not having a mind of their own. i have looked at all the evidence and can say with certainty ...based on the evidence...the McCanns are not involved

Well, you would say that ....but still only IYO.

The German prosecutor was certain but now seems to be backtracking...

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
Well, you would say that ....but still only IYO.

The German prosecutor was certain but now seems to be backtracking...



have you forgotten you said you are 100% sure the McCanns are involved....were you there..

CHW is consistently saying concrete evidnence of murder by the suspect...open your eyes and mind
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:06:44 PM
Concrete evidence cannot be guesswork

You don't know he has concrete evidence ...even he doesn't know if its concrete fgs.

He sounds like he has the water but no cement mix ...and is countless appeals pay off.

But as yet they are not just a load of more undesirables trying to make a buck or £20thousand
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:18:48 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
Well, you would say that ....but still only IYO.

The German prosecutor was certain but now seems to be backtracking...
He does seem to be walking back from having him practically sat in the bin cupboard outside 5a.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 04, 2020, 01:19:43 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:18:48 PM
He does seem to be walking back from having him practically sat in the bin cupboard outside 5a.

He can't even guarantee he was in Luz,

https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1279336096980066304/photo/1

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:16:09 PM
have you forgotten you said you are 100% sure the McCanns are involved....were you there..

CHW is consistently saying concrete evidnence of murder by the suspect...open your eyes and mind

Why should I keep repeating how sure I am when you already know.... what's the point of that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:16:27 PM
You don't know he has concrete evidence ...even he doesn't know if its concrete fgs.

He sounds like he has the water but no cement mix ...and is countless appeals pay off.

But as yet they are not just a load of more undesirables trying to make a buck or £20thousand

He says concrete evidence....I think any sensible person would realise that might well be highly significant..

All I see here and elsewhere is panic from sceptics
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:23:55 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:20:59 PM
Why should I keep repeating how sure I am when you already know.... what's the point of that.

You don't have to repeat it...you just contradict yourself
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:26:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 04, 2020, 01:19:43 PM
He can't even guarantee he was in Luz,

https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1279336096980066304/photo/1

I think we need to be  a little cautious of anything Saunokonoko says....if CBs guilty he knows his credibility is ruined
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:29:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 04, 2020, 01:19:43 PM
He can't even guarantee he was in Luz,

https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1279336096980066304/photo/1

you need to read the last three staements more carefully.

the first two he says ...could not..

the last staement is he would not ....confirm...that doesnt mean he cannot
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 04, 2020, 01:19:43 PM
He can't even guarantee he was in Luz,

https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1279336096980066304/photo/1

Well done been trying to put that up


Seems he has got to go back to the drawing board ...or square one...

Maybe we will just have to wait for the next suspect, to come along
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 04, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:26:37 PM
I think we need to be  a little cautious of anything Saunokonoko says....if CBs guilty he knows his credibility is ruined

Yet on his show Amaral a good while ago said there was a german in the frame,so is he credible or not.No axe to grind on tother side the world.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:33:36 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 01:30:26 PM
Well done been trying to put that up


Seems he has got to go back to the drawing board ...or square one...

Maybe we will just have to wait for the next suspect, to come along

you didn't notice the detail  either...barrier is wrong. CHW did not say he cannot confirm CB was in Luz that night
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:34:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:26:37 PM
I think we need to be  a little cautious of anything Saunokonoko says....if CBs guilty he knows his credibility is ruined
Why do we need to be cautious?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:38:39 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:34:21 PM
Why do we need to be cautious?

Ive explained...he has  a vested interest in CB not being involved...he would look a right richard basically
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:23:01 PM
He says concrete evidence....I think any sensible person would realise that might well be highly significant..

All I see here and elsewhere is panic from sceptics
All you see? If it's so ubiquitous, then show us an example of this panic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:43:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 04, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
Yet on his show Amaral a good while ago said there was a german in the frame,so is he credible or not.No axe to grind on tother side the world.

He has spent days...weeks..months presenting evidence suggesting the McCanns are involved...he has nailed his colours to the mast. If he's proved wrong he's going to look pretty stupid
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:42:03 PM
All you see? If it's so ubiquitous, then show us an example of this panic.

You wouldn't accept it...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:43:28 PM
He has spent days...weeks..months presenting evidence suggesting the McCanns are involved...he has nailed his colours to the mast. If he's proved wrong he's going to look pretty stupid
Maybe, but will anyone really give a shit in the great scheme of things?
'A man looked pretty stupid today, when it was confirmed that he was wrong about something'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Maybe, but will anyone really give a shit in the great scheme of things?
'A man looked pretty stupid today, when it was confirmed that he was wrong about something'.

He's an investigative reporter....his main topic for the past few years has been providing evidence the McCanns are guilty...he's going to look pretty stupid
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:56:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:49:58 PM
He's an investigative reporter....his main topic for the past few years has been providing evidence the McCanns are guilty...he's going to look pretty stupid
I'm sure he'd get over it. He's been pilloried for 13 years by trolls and the unhinged.
Maybe you could buy him a badge or a T shirt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 04, 2020, 01:56:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:49:58 PM
He's an investigative reporter....his main topic for the past few years has been providing evidence the McCanns are guilty...he's going to look pretty stupid

Won't he just.  Along with a few others.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:56:22 PM
I'm sure he'd get over it. He's been pilloried for 13 years by trolls and the unhinged.
Maybe you could buy him a badge or a T shirt.

Hes been pilloried but not proved wrong...spot the difference
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 04, 2020, 01:57:52 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 01:56:22 PM
I'm sure he'd get over it. He's been pilloried for 13 years by trolls and the unhinged.
Maybe you could buy him a badge or a T shirt.

It's him who is unhinged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 04, 2020, 01:56:38 PM
Won't he just.  Along with a few others.

Yes...what about Martin and his dogs...on another thread
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:57:39 PM
Hes been pilloried but not proved wrong...spot the difference
13 years of abuse from disturbed strangers galvanises the resolve of a man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 02:03:07 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
13 years of abuse from disturbed strangers galvanises the resolve of a man.

I would agree with you if those who criticised him were disturbed. When it turns out that those who criticised him were perfectly correct and rational...he'll just look the plain stupid
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:06:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:23:01 PM
He says concrete evidence....I think any sensible person would realise that might well be highly significant..

All I see here and elsewhere is panic from sceptics


What ....panic why would anyone panic how silly

Unless you are that is D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:09:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 01:43:28 PM
He has spent days...weeks..months presenting evidence suggesting the McCanns are involved...he has nailed his colours to the mast. If he's proved wrong he's going to look pretty stupid


Well good to see you put if he's is proved wrong....so you don't know yet that he is wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 04, 2020, 02:11:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:06:07 PM

What ....panic why would anyone panic how silly

Unless you are that is D

Quite. When this is finally resolved, whether right or wrong, people will just disappear from the forums and it won't matter who said what.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 02:12:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:09:55 PM

Well good to see you put if he's is proved wrong....so you don't know yet that he is wrong.
He won't be proved wrong, he can't be according to Dav's non sequitur, as the alerts have no evidential value anyway.
At worst he'd be proved inconclusive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 04, 2020, 02:11:20 PM
Quite. When this is finally resolved, whether right or wrong, people will just disappear from the forums and it won't matter who said what.
That's the one. I'll just pack my stuff up and go back to the Nazi Megastructures Model Builders forum.
If they'll have me back after 'the incident'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:15:44 PM
At least GA is still here in the thick of it all ....more than you can say for some.

Still believing Maddie was not abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:09:55 PM

Well good to see you put if he's is proved wrong....so you don't know yet that he is wrong.

Grime has not said that the alerts confirm a death in 5a...I'm just wondering how the alerts will be explained if it's proved Maddie didn't die in 5a...what excuses will be rolled out
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 02:16:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:15:44 PM
At least GA is still here in the thick of it all ....more than you can say for some.

Still believing Maddie was not abducted.

Thick is  avery good word to use re amaral
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on July 04, 2020, 02:16:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 04, 2020, 08:22:23 AM
As these files weren't published, may I ask how you know they exist?

Have you read the PJ Files, G-Unit? There you will find the answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:18:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 02:15:54 PM
Grime has not said that the alerts confirm a death in 5a...I'm just wondering how the alerts will be explained if it's proved Maddie didn't die in 5a...what excuses will be rolled out


I believe grime findings need a body ....and so do the Germans As sad as it is to say that would be Maddies body
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 02:20:40 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:18:31 PM

I believe grime findings need a body ....and so do the Germans As sad as it is to say that would be Maddies body

the alerts need a body in 5a..the death of Maddie do not conform the alerts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 02:20:40 PM
the alerts need a body in 5a..the death of Maddie do not conform the alerts


IMO apart from the cadaver odor and blood found in the McCanns apartment

hire car and on Kate's clothes, in the absence of a body,

what OTHER  possible evidence could there be of Maddie's death IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 03:02:32 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:55:29 PM

IMO apart from the cadaver odor and blood found in the McCanns apartment

hire car and on Kate's clothes, in the absence of a body,

what OTHER  possible evidence could there be of Maddie's death IMO

Cadaver odour wasn't confirmed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 03:02:32 PM
Cadaver odour wasn't confirmed
Did Jonathon Cainer tell you that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 03:06:09 PM
Did Jonathon Cainer tell you that?
No Grime
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 03:07:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
No Grime
Just checking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: puglove on July 04, 2020, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 03:06:09 PM
Did Jonathon Cainer tell you that?

He'd have a job.     8(8-))


(And he really was a caner!)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 04, 2020, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:15:44 PM
At least GA is still here in the thick of it all ....more than you can say for some.

Still believing Maddie was not abducted.

Still clinging on,  the van looked different,  he had long hair.  It wasn't him,  I wasn't wrong,  believe me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 04, 2020, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 04, 2020, 02:55:29 PM

IMO apart from the cadaver odor and blood found in the McCanns apartment

hire car and on Kate's clothes, in the absence of a body,

what OTHER  possible evidence could there be of Maddie's death IMO


There was no confirmed cadaver odour there was no confirmed DNA.   Nothing proved Madeleine died in 5a, stop spreading misinformation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 04, 2020, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: puglove on July 04, 2020, 03:49:04 PM
He'd have a job.     8(8-))


(And he really was a caner!)
Snuffed it and snuffed it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 04, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
60 Minutes Australia re MM:

https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q

Is it me or does HCW have a near permanent smirk?  He certainly does when asked about serial killers @ 17 min in.  Why would a professional spokesperson break into a smile when talking about serial killers?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 04, 2020, 04:26:29 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 04, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
60 Minutes Australia re MM:

https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q

Is it me or does HCW have a near permanent smirk?  He certainly does when asked about serial killers @ 17 min in.  Why would a professional spokesperson break into a smile when talking about serial killers?


It's you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 04, 2020, 04:26:44 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 04, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
60 Minutes Australia re MM:

https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q (https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q)

Is it me or does HCW have a near permanent smirk?  He certainly does when asked about serial killers @ 17 min in.  Why would a professional spokesperson break into a smile when talking about serial killers?
More muck-raking!... we had enough of that with Gerry McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 04, 2020, 05:15:50 PM
Some more information.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8489435/Detective-lived-door-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-working-police-her.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 04, 2020, 05:20:06 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 04, 2020, 05:15:50 PM
Some more information.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8489435/Detective-lived-door-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-working-police-her.html

He'll have lived  24 yrs next door to Alice next.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 04, 2020, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 04, 2020, 04:26:44 PM
More muck-raking!... we had enough of that with Gerry McCann.

Contrast the interviewers facial expressions throughout with HCW's. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 04, 2020, 05:32:10 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 04, 2020, 05:24:52 PM
Contrast the interviewers facial expressions throughout with HCW's.
She was fishing and baiting him to reveal more, but Wolters wasn't taking the lure.  That's the reason he's smiling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 04, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
13 years of abuse from disturbed strangers galvanises the resolve of a man.
That must explain why the McCanns are such strong individuals.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 04, 2020, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 04, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
That must explain why the McCanns are such strong individuals.
Yeh you missed the comment elsewhere.
Never mind.
Trawl back a little further.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 04, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: The General on July 04, 2020, 05:35:45 PM
Yeh you missed the comment elsewhere.
Never mind.
Trawl back a little further.
Not interested. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on July 04, 2020, 06:51:11 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 04, 2020, 05:24:52 PM
Contrast the interviewers facial expressions throughout with HCW's.

Is this equivalent to the theory of "Duper`s Delight"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 04, 2020, 07:21:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 04, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
No Grime
No Grime, no crime, No time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 12:07:08 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcHSWPoWAAAvLIY?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://newsburger.de/madeleine-mccann-staatsanwaltschaft-beantragt-keinen-haftbefehl-128364.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 12:10:28 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 12:07:08 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcHSWPoWAAAvLIY?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://newsburger.de/madeleine-mccann-staatsanwaltschaft-beantragt-keinen-haftbefehl-128364.html
Good to know he will be banged up for at least another six months, which gives the Germans time to build their case knowing he ain’t going nowhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 12:31:18 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 12:10:28 AM
Good to know he will be banged up for at least another six months, which gives the Germans time to build their case knowing he ain’t going nowhere.

Build a case? I've yet to see one credible piece of evidence to say that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance. They claimed concrete evidence which would be a matter of urgency so I can rule that out! No surprise to me that SY are calling it a missing person case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 12:31:18 AM
Build a case? I've yet to see one credible piece of evidence to say that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance. They claimed concrete evidence which would be a matter of urgency so I can rule that out! No surprise to me that SY are calling it a missing person case.
It’s sad for you and all the other armchair detectives that the Germans haven’t chosen to share with you everything that have on this man, but try not to be too bitter about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 05, 2020, 01:46:49 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 01, 2020, 11:17:35 AM
Mark Rowley.. a grammar school boy who graduated from Cambridge

Johnson... an Eton boy who graduated from Oxford...your point being ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 07:00:34 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 05, 2020, 01:46:49 AM
Johnson... an Eton boy who graduated from Oxford...your point being ?

If you had any insight you would understand my point. It's much easier to get to Oxbridge from Eton. I went to Handsworth Grammar School as did Rowley. I know just how bright the boys were who went to Cambridge from a less privileged background
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 05, 2020, 08:52:12 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 12:31:18 AM
Build a case? I've yet to see one credible piece of evidence to say that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance. They claimed concrete evidence which would be a matter of urgency so I can rule that out! No surprise to me that SY are calling it a missing person case.

Yep,we've a suspect please help build a case cause we're struggling.Still in years to come he'll be looked at fondly or disappointingly,that he was not the one.The legend has been writ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 08:53:55 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 05, 2020, 08:52:12 AM
Yep,we've a suspect please help build a case cause we're struggling.Still in years to come he'll be looked at fondly or disappointingly,that he was not the one.The legend has been writ.
Sorry, who is ever going to look upon that creature fondly?  You?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 05, 2020, 08:52:12 AM
Yep,we've a suspect please help build a case cause we're struggling.Still in years to come he'll be looked at fondly or disappointingly,that he was not the one.The legend has been writ.

Your post is nonsense...imo....the German police were under no pressure to build a case...none at all, but they have
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 05, 2020, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 05, 2020, 08:52:12 AM
Yep,we've a suspect please help build a case cause we're struggling.Still in years to come he'll be looked at fondly or disappointingly,that he was not the one.The legend has been writ.

The evidence came first.

I doubt very much if the parents of Portugal particularly the ones of the children he spoke to and exposed himself in front of will look on him "fondly".

I think you have a weird outlook on life if you really think this guy is a legend.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 09:03:25 AM
The situation with Bruckner is similar to that of John Canaan in my opinion.  Publicly linked to the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh by some strong circumstantial evidence but never enough to actually charge him.  I wonder what the Bruckner defence team on here think of the way Canaan was publicly named in an attempt to get more evidence against him, and whether they scoffed and jeered at police attempts to build a case against him for Suzy’s murder?  Did they consider that was some sort of cover up conspiracy or bungling cock up too?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 05, 2020, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 05, 2020, 09:02:49 AM
The evidence came first.

I doubt very much if the parents of Portugal particularly the ones of the children he spoke to and exposed himself in front of will look on him "fondly".

I think you have a weird outlook on life if you really think this guy is a legend.

The legend is the story involving him with Madeleine's disappearance..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 05, 2020, 09:06:10 AM
The legend is the story involving him with Madeleine's disappearance..

Might be best to wait until you know  what this concrete evidence the germans have is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 09:14:35 AM
There has to be a reason why the police have not questioned him yet....i've already given my reason why that is...the fact that they do have more evidence that they do not wish to disclose to him at the moment. I've read that if they question him they have to disclose all the evidence they have against him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 05, 2020, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 09:14:35 AM
There has to be a reason why the police have not questioned him yet....i've already given my reason why that is...the fact that they do have more evidence that they do not wish to disclose to him at the moment. I've read that if they question him they have to disclose all the evidence they have against him.

Maybe hoping the recent fishing expedition public appeal will turn up something. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 10:42:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 09:10:21 AM
Might be best to wait until you know  what this concrete evidence the germans have is

If they had concrete evidence they would charge him ... it's as simple as that.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 10:42:04 AM
If they had concrete evidence they would charge him ... it's as simple as that.

Are you the expert...you think you are but you are not. I have explained why imo...from what I have read...they haven't even interviewed him yet
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 05, 2020, 10:59:20 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 10:44:09 AM
Are you the expert...you think you are but you are not. I have explained why imo...from what I have read...they haven't even interviewed him yet

You seem to think the Germans are experts on the case? 

The MET is keeping an open mind to his involvement:

“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 11:03:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 10:44:09 AM
Are you the expert...you think you are but you are not. I have explained why imo...from what I have read...they haven't even interviewed him yet

Oh comon...its you who thinks you know everything.

They haven't questioned him because there is no point they haven't got anything.

1  they don't want him out ...they are running ng out of time

2  They try and connect him to a high profile case that has plenty of interest.

3  It worked the UK media did the rest .....for maximum effect. but yet nothing concrete it seems.

They only have till 16 July. to involve him in any ...any child disappearance seems miserably failing.

Who offered the £20 thousand reward and why....Why would the Germans be so interested in the Maddie case?

On July 16, the European Court of Justice will decide whether a further rape conviction should be brought into line with the International Legal Assistance Act. B. makes use of his right to remain silent.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 05, 2020, 11:19:44 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 11:03:15 AM
Oh comon...its you who thinks you know everything.

They haven't questioned him because there is no point they haven't got anything.

1  they don't want him out ...they are running ng out of time

2  They try and connect him to a high profile case that has plenty of interest.

3  It worked the UK media did the rest .....for maximum effect. but yet nothing concrete it seems.

They only have till 16 July. to involve him in any ...any child disappearance seems miserably failing.

Who offered the £20 thousand reward and why....Why would the Germans be so interested in the Maddie case?

On July 16, the European Court of Justice will decide whether a further rape conviction should be brought into line with the International Legal Assistance Act. B. makes use of his right to remain silent.

Because his bestest mate heard him say it in a pub, who probably heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 05, 2020, 11:21:41 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 11:03:15 AM
Oh comon...its you who thinks you know everything.

They haven't questioned him because there is no point they haven't got anything.

1  they don't want him out ...they are running ng out of time

2  They try and connect him to a high profile case that has plenty of interest.

3  It worked the UK media did the rest .....for maximum effect. but yet nothing concrete it seems.

They only have till 16 July. to involve him in any ...any child disappearance seems miserably failing.

Who offered the £20 thousand reward and why....Why would the Germans be so interested in the Maddie case?

On July 16, the European Court of Justice will decide whether a further rape conviction should be brought into line with the International Legal Assistance Act. B. makes use of his right to remain silent.

They're not particularly interested in Madeleine.
They are interested in Brueckner.
This is just a means to an end
IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 11:32:52 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 11:03:15 AM
Oh comon...its you who thinks you know everything.

They haven't questioned him because there is no point they haven't got anything.

1  they don't want him out ...they are running ng out of time

2  They try and connect him to a high profile case that has plenty of interest.

3  It worked the UK media did the rest .....for maximum effect. but yet nothing concrete it seems.

They only have till 16 July. to involve him in any ...any child disappearance seems miserably failing.

Who offered the £20 thousand reward and why....Why would the Germans be so interested in the Maddie case?

On July 16, the European Court of Justice will decide whether a further rape conviction should be brought into line with the International Legal Assistance Act. B. makes use of his right to remain silent.

All this your opinion ....but you think its fact. At least I put IMO in my posts. The fact is..not opinion....I do know a lot. Im well read...educated and understand how to evaluate evidence...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 11:50:20 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 05, 2020, 10:59:20 AM
You seem to think the Germans are experts on the case? 

The MET is keeping an open mind to his involvement:

“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.

And you seem to think that you are more competent than either police force.....which is irrational imo.

It seems the MET are not privy to the concrete eveidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 05, 2020, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 09:14:35 AM
There has to be a reason why the police have not questioned him yet....i've already given my reason why that is...the fact that they do have more evidence that they do not wish to disclose to him at the moment. I've read that if they question him they have to disclose all the evidence they have against him.

When I too read that it immediately put a new complexion on Amaral's podcast pointing to an as yet unnamed suspect in a German a German jail ... without which intervention I doubt very much we would be reading and writing about Brueckner today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 05, 2020, 11:56:13 AM
https://youtu.be/r53DQ_DFewo
More on Foral and Brückner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 11:32:52 AM
All this your opinion ....but you think its fact. At least I put IMO in my posts. The fact is..not opinion....I do know a lot. Im well read...educated and understand how to evaluate evidence...

Im well read...educated and understand how to evaluate evidence...


Well, guess what ...we all are.....

If you think you are superior its only IYO. ...you are no different from any other poster.


Maddie disappeared on the 3rd of May 2007 and hasn't been seen since, only the mccs know the truth of what happened in that apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 12:09:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 09:03:25 AM
The situation with Bruckner is similar to that of John Canaan in my opinion.  Publicly linked to the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh by some strong circumstantial evidence but never enough to actually charge him.  I wonder what the Bruckner defence team on here think of the way Canaan was publicly named in an attempt to get more evidence against him, and whether they scoffed and jeered at police attempts to build a case against him for Suzy’s murder?  Did they consider that was some sort of cover up conspiracy or bungling cock up too?

What circumstantial evidence? Using his phone in the area where he lived is evidence that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 12:06:31 PM
Im well read...educated and understand how to evaluate evidence...


Well, guess what ...we all are.....

If you think you are superior its only IYO. ...you are no different from any other poster.


Maddie disappeared on the 3rd of May 2007 and hasn't been seen since, only the mccs know the truth of what happened in that apartment.

Actually its not my opinion... have you received any training in how to assess evidence...at post graduate level.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 12:09:27 PM
What circumstantial evidence? Using his phone in the area where he lived is evidence that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance?
Another one who is utterly incapable of addressing the point made in my post.  Did you scoff and jeer at police attempts to solve the Lamplugh case by linking it to John Canaan, or not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 12:20:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 12:12:43 PM
Actually its not my opinion... have you received any training in how to assess evidence...at post graduate level.

Educationally I am superior to many posters here...its a matter of fact.

Oh LOL

Well, what you doing on here then practically 24/7...surley you're wasted on here,

It's not as if you're solving anything ...in reality thou, you are no more than a poster on a forum D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 12:25:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 12:20:11 PM
Oh LOL

Well, what you doing on here then practically 24/7...surley you're wasted on here,

It's not as if you're solving anything ...in reality thou, you are no more than a poster on a forum D

Im here because I enjoy it. Im not sitting at a pc all day...I post from my phone...Im always on the move...thats why my typing is so atrocious
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 05, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 05, 2020, 11:19:44 AM
Because his bestest mate heard him say it in a pub, who probably heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend.

So he's not a versatile career criminal who films his crime of rape of an older woman and the Lord alone knows what else ~ has convictions for molesting children ~ is a drug dealer ~ with access to expensive vehicles ~ is a prolific and obviously very good at it burglar ~ whose phone activated antennae in Praia da Luz just before Madeleine disappeared.

But as Amaral confirms, managed to slip through the net because he wasn't in when the police called on him ... I don't think for a minute that his convictions are reliant on a string of friends of a friend.  I think he's a nefarious person with a criminal record which proves it ... which of course doesn't make him guilty of being Madeleine's abductor ... but it sure does make him a person of interest worthy of further investigation.

If nothing else is enjoyable about this the twisting and turning of sceptics whose main battle cry was "JUSTICE for MADELEINE" at the same time as they pilloried her parents is certainly giving me time for a wry smile:  the Germans are doing their level best to do just that (justice for Madeleine) and are not doing too well in the popularity stakes as a result:(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 05, 2020, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 05, 2020, 11:56:13 AM
https://youtu.be/r53DQ_DFewo (https://youtu.be/r53DQ_DFewo)
More on Foral and Brückner.
Holly won't watch that because:

1). It doesn't contain any official documentation.

2). There's no mention of Mrs T.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 05, 2020, 01:26:40 PM
There have been a lot of complaints recently about moderation. Some members feel that they have been unfairly moderated while some moderators are feeling exasperated. I try not to intervene in disputes but sometimes it is simply necessary.

I intend to introduce new moderation rules and enhanced penalties for any member who continues to breach our rules. In the meantime I will be monitoring posts and will be applying severe sanctions should this poor behaviour continue.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 05, 2020, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 12:06:31 PM
Im well read...educated and understand how to evaluate evidence...


Well, guess what ...we all are.....

If you think you are superior its only IYO. ...you are no different from any other poster.


Maddie disappeared on the 3rd of May 2007 and hasn't been seen since, only the mccs know the truth of what happened in that apartment.

I know what you meant to say, namely, that only the McCanns know the truth as to what occurred in 5a before they went out at 8.30pm. It goes without saying that if Madeleine was abducted from either the apartment or the street outside then the McCanns are as much in the dark as we all are as to what happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: John on July 05, 2020, 03:51:20 PM
I know what you meant to say, namely, that only the McCanns know the truth as to what occurred in 5a before they went out at 8.30pm. It goes without saying that if Madeleine was abducted from either the apartment or the street outside then the McCanns are as much in the dark as we all are as to what happened.
In my opinion it is possible that Payne might also know if MM had come to any harm in the earlier part of the evening i.e. during or immediately before his visit to the apartment. I think you’re right to defend Kizzy’s wording though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: John on July 05, 2020, 03:51:20 PM
I know what you meant to say, namely, that only the McCanns know the truth as to what occurred in 5a before they went out at 8.30pm. It goes without saying that if Madeleine was abducted from either the apartment or the street outside then the McCanns are as much in the dark as we all are as to what happened.

It was John
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 04:50:26 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 05, 2020, 12:06:31 PM
Im well read...educated and understand how to evaluate evidence...


Well, guess what ...we all are.....

If you think you are superior its only IYO. ...you are no different from any other poster.


Maddie disappeared on the 3rd of May 2007 and hasn't been seen since, only the mccs know the truth of what happened in that apartment.

Not if Maddie was abducted they dont
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 05:16:35 PM
Quote from: John on July 05, 2020, 03:51:20 PM
I know what you meant to say, namely, that only the McCanns know the truth as to what occurred in 5a before they went out at 8.30pm. It goes without saying that if Madeleine was abducted from either the apartment or the street outside then the McCanns are as much in the dark as we all are as to what happened.
You’re far too charitable in my opinion.  Kizzy has repeatedly stated she doesn’t belive Madeleine was abducted which, coupled with her highly dubious statement about “on,y the McCanns know what happened in the apartment” leaves us in no doubt about what she was saying, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 05, 2020, 05:20:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 05:16:35 PM
You’re far too charitable in my opinion.  Kizzy has repeatedly stated she doesn’t belive Madeleine was abducted which, coupled with her highly dubious statement about “on,y the McCanns know what happened in the apartment” leaves us in no doubt about what she was saying, imo.

Gee thanx VS.  Kizzy is entitled to her opinion as is everyone else but rules are rules.  Posters are prohibited from posting any comment that could be construed as libellous and every established member is more than aware of this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 05:16:35 PM
You’re far too charitable in my opinion.  Kizzy has repeatedly stated she doesn’t belive Madeleine was abducted which, coupled with her highly dubious statement about “on,y the McCanns know what happened in the apartment” leaves us in no doubt about what she was saying, imo.

Not believing that MM was abducted is a perfectly valid opinion which anyone should be free to express - as the other posters agreed the statement about the events in the apartment is just a matter of fact. There is no libellous intent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: John on July 05, 2020, 05:20:34 PM
Gee thanx VS.  Kizzy is entitled to her opinion as is everyone else but rules are rules.  Posters are prohibited from posting any comment that could be construed as libellous and every established member is more than aware of this.
I construe her statement as libellous and I’m pretty certain the McCanns would too, if they were ever to come across it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 05:22:30 PM
Not believing that MM was abducted is a perfectly valid opinion which anyone should be free to express - as the other posters agreed the statement about the events in the apartment is just a matter of fact. There is no libellous intent.

Maddie may have woke and wandered...suggesting the McCanns know what happened..suggesting they covered up an accident m..is libellous
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: John on July 05, 2020, 05:20:34 PM
Gee thanx VS.  Kizzy is entitled to her opinion as is everyone else but rules are rules.  Posters are prohibited from posting any comment that could be construed as libellous and every established member is more than aware of this.

If Kizzy says 100% the McCanns are involved then that is libellous
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 05:29:23 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 05:22:30 PM
Not believing that MM was abducted is a perfectly valid opinion which anyone should be free to express - as the other posters agreed the statement about the events in the apartment is just a matter of fact. There is no libellous intent.
”Only the McCanns know what happened in the apartment that night” suggests that they know Madeleine neither woke and wandered nor was abducted.  What else could it possibly be taken to mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 05, 2020, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 05, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
So he's not a versatile career criminal who films his crime of rape of an older woman and the Lord alone knows what else ~ has convictions for molesting children ~ is a drug dealer ~ with access to expensive vehicles ~ is a prolific and obviously very good at it burglar ~ whose phone activated antennae in Praia da Luz just before Madeleine disappeared.

But as Amaral confirms, managed to slip through the net because he wasn't in when the police called on him ... I don't think for a minute that his convictions are reliant on a string of friends of a friend.  I think he's a nefarious person with a criminal record which proves it ... which of course doesn't make him guilty of being Madeleine's abductor ... but it sure does make him a person of interest worthy of further investigation.

If nothing else is enjoyable about this the twisting and turning of sceptics whose main battle cry was "JUSTICE for MADELEINE" at the same time as they pilloried her parents is certainly giving me time for a wry smile:  the Germans are doing their level best to do just that (justice for Madeleine) and are not doing too well in the popularity stakes as a result:(

Didn’t I read that the video of the rape was destroyed by the friends who found it ? Wouldn’t all decent people have gone to the police with it ? All in all it’s beginning to sound like the letter allegedly sent to Hewlett’s son.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 05, 2020, 05:35:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 05:29:17 PM
If Kizzy says 100% the McCanns are involved then that is libellous

Involved?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 05:42:54 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 30, 2020, 05:53:25 PM
Can a McCann sceptic explain to me why the McCanns (who you think are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance) seem reluctant to accept that the Germans have got strong evidence that their daughter died at the hands of CB?



Well I can step forward to answer that for myself VS seeing you ask so nicely'

I am 100% the mccs are involved so in my mind how can I think its him

I have been following this case on and off 13 years. If it wasn't for me not being convinced it was them I would have been gone long ago, I don't come on here for fun.

Been on here for seven years, I have very early on tried to think of them as innocent but it never lasted very long.

I have thought there is something more to it, people in higher places IMO do not want the mccs to ever be guilty of being involved.

Okay, he is a vile person who no one cares I suppose if he lives or dies.  But what will you think if he ends up dead with the concrete evidence being hearsay and he is then branded the abductor?

There you are...100% the McCanns are involved according to Kizzy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 05:53:29 PM
Quote from: John on July 05, 2020, 05:35:40 PM
Involved?

I have been following this case on and off 13 years. If it wasn't for me not being convinced it was them I would have been gone long ago, I don't come on here for fun.

Been on here for seven years, I have very early on tried to think of them as innocent but it never lasted very long.

I have thought there is something more to it, people in higher places IMO do not want the mccs to ever be guilty of being involved.

there has been a fair amount of libel dirsected towards the McCanns...it just seems to be ignored



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 05, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 05:29:17 PM
If Kizzy says 100% the McCanns are involved then that is libellous

Amaral wasn't even sued for that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 05, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
Amaral wasn't even sued for that.

Im not that bothered but when john makes excuses for kizzy its getting more than a bit silly
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 06:04:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 05:42:54 PM
There you are...100% the McCanns are involved according to Kizzy

You think the McCanns are 100% innocent without knowing it. Kettle Black  ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 06:04:15 PM
You think the McCanns are 100% innocent without knowing it. Kettle Black  ?>)()<
Another person who hasn’t the faintest understanding of libel, or simply cannot follow a logical discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 06:09:30 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 06:04:15 PM
You think the McCanns are 100% innocent without knowing it. Kettle Black  ?>)()<
You confirm everything I think about sceptics
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 06:05:31 PM
Another person who hasn’t the faintest understanding of libel, or simply cannot follow a logical discussion.

Libel? What false statement have I said?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 06:37:21 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
Libel? What false statement have I said?
Did I say you had made a false statement?  Serious question - is English your first language?  You don’t seem to be able to follow a simple discussion.   If you say “the McCanns are 100% involved”. that is libel.  If you say “the McCanns are 100% innocent “ that is not libel.  Therefore there is no “kettle black” in Davel’s comment about Kizzy.  I don’t expect you to follow this logic or understand my point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 06:40:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 05:29:23 PM
”Only the McCanns know what happened in the apartment that night” suggests that they know Madeleine neither woke and wandered nor was abducted.  What else could it possibly be taken to mean?

That KM was with MM after creche and before going out (except when she [KM] was in the bath). GM was with them both after tennis and before going out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 06:46:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 05:42:54 PM
There you are...100% the McCanns are involved according to Kizzy

Read her sentence again. Kizzy is expressing an opinion. A libellous statement would state something as fact.

It is perfectly reasonable to freely express your own opinion - provided of course the statement isn't intended to incite violence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 06:47:41 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 06:40:50 PM
That KM was with MM after creche and before going out (except when she [KM] was in the bath). GM was with them both after tennis and before going out.
Stop making excuses, it’s embarrassing. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 06:46:04 PM
Read her sentence again. Kizzy is expressing an opinion. A libellous statement would state something as fact.

It is perfectly reasonable to freely express your own opinion - provided of course the statement isn't intended to incite violence.
”I think you’re a paedophile”.  Is that perfectly reasonable and not remotely libellous?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 06:46:04 PM
Read her sentence again. Kizzy is expressing an opinion. A libellous statement would state something as fact.

It is perfectly reasonable to freely express your own opinion - provided of course the statement isn't intended to incite violence.

you too confirm everything I think about sceptics. Stating an opinion is libellous ...unless specific critera are met. ...but what would I know...im just another poster...it seems i know  alot.

Google libel defence...honest opinion...and you will see you are completely wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 05, 2020, 06:49:29 PM
May I suggest that no one does this again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 06:51:05 PM
As the German police are only expressing an opinion that Christian B is involved in Madeleinee’s disappearance there is no way they can be accused of libelling him, just so’s we’ve got that one straight!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 06:52:15 PM
whats clear is how little understanding of libel there is by some posters on the forum
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 05, 2020, 06:52:57 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 05, 2020, 05:34:58 PM
Didn’t I read that the video of the rape was destroyed by the friends who found it ? Wouldn’t all decent people have gone to the police with it ? All in all it’s beginning to sound like the letter allegedly sent to Hewlett’s son.
Perhaps not if they themselves had a criminal record?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 05, 2020, 06:53:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 06:51:05 PM
As the German police are only expressing an opinion that Christian B is involved in Madeleinee’s disappearance there is no way they can be accused of libelling him, just so’s we’ve got that one straight!

They haven't named him anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 06:57:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
”I think you’re a paedophile”.  Is that perfectly reasonable and not remotely libellous?

It's quite juvenile and not backed up by any supporting evidence. The lack of supporting evidence might make you fall foul of libel laws since how can it be a genuinely held belief rather than just an insult?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 05, 2020, 06:49:29 PM
May I suggest that no one does this again.

Which bit?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 05, 2020, 07:03:58 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 06:58:56 PM
Which bit?

Anything directly pointing to the guilt of The McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 07:10:56 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 06:57:16 PM
It's quite juvenile and not backed up by any supporting evidence. The lack of supporting evidence might make you fall foul of libel laws since how can it be a genuinely held belief rather than just an insult?

so you now accept an opinion can be libellous
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 05, 2020, 07:13:58 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 05, 2020, 06:52:57 PM
Perhaps not if they themselves had a criminal record?

Then should they be believed about the tape in the first place ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 05, 2020, 07:03:58 PM
Anything directly pointing to the guilt of The McCanns.

Has anyone done that just now - I don't see it???

What about directly pointing to the guilt of CB?

I was about to write without a court conviction we are all presumed innocent.... but then what about Fred West or Jimmy Saville? It's a minefield!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:14:17 PM
Has anyone done that just now - I don't see it???

What about directly pointing to the guilt of CB?

I was about to write without a court conviction we are all presumed innocent.... but then what about Fred West or Jimmy Saville? It's a minefield!!

Not if you understand libel law...you cant libel the dead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 07:10:56 PM
so you now accept an opinion can be libellous

Kizzy has offered sound rational explanations for her belief. As you have with regards to your opinion that you're almost certain that CB is guilty. I don't think the expression of either opinion is libellous in these particular examples.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:19:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 06:57:16 PM
It's quite juvenile and not backed up by any supporting evidence. The lack of supporting evidence might make you fall foul of libel laws since how can it be a genuinely held belief rather than just an insult?
Why is it juvenile?  What if I was addressing that comment to DP?  Would it an innocent opinion, or libel?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 07:20:50 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Kizzy has offered sound rational explanations for her belief. As you have with regards to your opinion that you're almost certain that CB is guilty. I don't think the expression of either opinion is libellous in these particular examples.

Kizzys sound rational explanation yesterday was...
Because they were there
Because I dont beleive a word they say


neither sound nor rational and hence libellous
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:20:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 07:16:39 PM
Not if you understand libel law...you cant libel the dead

Thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:21:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Kizzy has offered sound rational explanations for her belief. As you have with regards to your opinion that you're almost certain that CB is guilty. I don't think the expression of either opinion is libellous in these particular examples.
Cite please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:23:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:19:52 PM
Why is it juvenile?  What if I was addressing that comment to DP?  Would it an innocent opinion, or libel?

I've not studied libel law... I am an expert on private parking fines though if you ever need help!!! As far as I understand it what matters is your supporting evidence and whether it could therefore be deemed to be a reasonable opinion. DaveL will be able to answer your question though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:25:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:19:52 PM
Why is it juvenile?

It sounds like a childish insult. Playground stuff.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:25:17 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:23:49 PM
I've not studied libel law... I am an expert on private parking fines though if you ever need help!!! As far as I understand it what matters is your supporting evidence and whether it could therefore be deemed to be a reasonable opinion. DaveL will be able to answer your question though.
So you don’t know what you’re talking about but are still keen to defend Kizzy come what may.  Tsk.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:25:09 PM
It sounds like a childish insult. Playground stuff.
What a strange comment.  So if I’d had the chance to confront Savile and said those words to him I would be considered juvenile by you would I?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:26:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:21:15 PM
Cite please.


UK Justice Forum »
Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults »
Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:27:30 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:26:57 PM

UK Justice Forum »
Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults »
Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found.
That is not a cite.  Cite please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:28:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:26:46 PM
What a strange comment.  So if I’d had the chance to confront Savile and said those words to him I would be considered juvenile by you would I?

Which bit of supporting evidence did you miss?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 07:28:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:23:49 PM
I've not studied libel law... I am an expert on private parking fines though if you ever need help!!! As far as I understand it what matters is your supporting evidence and whether it could therefore be deemed to be a reasonable opinion. DaveL will be able to answer your question though.

I have  a private car park that some locals park on. Im thinking of putting up  signs explaining charges are made to anyone parking there....what do you think...Parking charges can be enforced but not fines
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:30:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:28:10 PM
Which bit of supporting evidence did you miss?
What are you on about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:36:00 PM
Let’s try this.  In my opinion Martin Grime cued the dogs to alert to the McCanns car.  There is evidence to suggest this is so.  It’s my opinion.  Is it libellous or perfectly reasonable?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:44:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 07:20:50 PM
Kizzys sound rational explanation yesterday was...
Because they were there
Because I dont beleive a word they say


neither sound nor rational and hence libellous

I googled libel defence and opinion....

"Honest opinion It can be used as a defence to defamation claims if the defendant can show that: that the statement in question was an opinion; that within the statement there was an apparent basis to the opinion; and. the statement is one that an honest person could have held."

I don't believe either you or Kizzy have been libellous in expressing an opinion that there was no abduction & that K&G know what happened to MM or expressing an opinion that CB was the abductor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:44:55 PM
I googled libel defence and opinion....

"Honest opinion It can be used as a defence to defamation claims if the defendant can show that: that the statement in question was an opinion; that within the statement there was an apparent basis to the opinion; and. the statement is one that an honest person could have held."

I don't believe either you or Kizzy have been libellous in expressing an opinion that there was no abduction & that K&G know what happened to MM or expressing an opinion that CB was the abductor.
In which case could you inform the forum owner that we can write whatever we like about the McCanns, Grime, Bruckner, Amaral, etc and not receive points for libel.  Much obliged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:44:55 PM
I googled libel defence and opinion....

"Honest opinion It can be used as a defence to defamation claims if the defendant can show that: that the statement in question was an opinion; that within the statement there was an apparent basis to the opinion; and. the statement is one that an honest person could have held."

I don't believe either you or Kizzy have been libellous in expressing an opinion that there was no abduction & that K&G know what happened to MM or expressing an opinion that CB was the abductor.

well tahts fine if you want...kizzy is free to say what  she thinks happened...please go ahead Kizzy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:48:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 07:28:22 PM
I have  a private car park that some locals park on. Im thinking of putting up  signs explaining charges are made to anyone parking there....what do you think...Parking charges can be enforced but not fines

Correct. You can issue parking charges. The word "fine" would not be correct and if you pursued the registered keeper rather than the driver you would have to abide by the terms laid out in Schedule 9 of the Protection of Freedoms Act.... but that's a bit off topic... PM me if you need advice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:50:46 PM
“In my opinion Gerry carried a corpse through PdL and chucked it in a bin”.

OK, that’s a perfectly reasonable comment.

Next?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 07:44:55 PM
I googled libel defence and opinion....

"Honest opinion It can be used as a defence to defamation claims if the defendant can show that: that the statement in question was an opinion; that within the statement there was an apparent basis to the opinion; and. the statement is one that an honest person could have held."

I don't believe either you or Kizzy have been libellous in expressing an opinion that there was no abduction & that K&G know what happened to MM or expressing an opinion that CB was the abductor.

the basis for the opinion must be stated and..The facts on which the comment is made must be sufficiently or substantially true,


kizzy hasnt given any facts to support her argument that are sufficiently or substantially true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 08:10:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:46:54 PM
In which case could you inform the forum owner that we can write whatever we like about the McCanns, Grime, Bruckner, Amaral, etc and not receive points for libel.  Much obliged.

You can't do that. You can't write libellous comments. You can write reasonable honest opinion if you can support your view with reasonable evidence and demonstrate it is reasonable for an honest person to have that opinion.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 08:14:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 07:21:15 PM
Cite please.

 Reply #158 on: August 14, 2018, 11:11:37 AM »
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 08:10:32 PM
You can't do that. You can't write libellous comments. You can write reasonable honest opinion if you can support your view with reasonable evidence and demonstrate it is reasonable for an honest person to have that opinion.

The evidence needs to be  sufficiently or substantially true, thats the problem. where are these facts supporting the involvement of the McCanns...the newspapers have already paid out
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 08:14:47 PM
Reply #158 on: August 14, 2018, 11:11:37 AM »
That is not a cite.  Cite please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 08:10:32 PM
You can't do that. You can't write libellous comments. You can write reasonable honest opinion if you can support your view with reasonable evidence and demonstrate it is reasonable for an honest person to have that opinion.
Is this a libellous comment?
“In my opinion Gerry carried a corpse through PdL and chucked it in a bin”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 09:13:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 08:15:01 PM
The evidence needs to be  sufficiently or substantially true, thats the problem. where are these facts supporting the involvement of the McCanns...the newspapers have already paid out

and Amaral won his case regarding the book.

You could listen to Mark Saunokonoko's podcasts which are well researched and, imo, reasonable, rational and honest. On the basis of listening to those podcasts you could reasonably and honestly state that you don't believe MM was abducted and you do believe the parents know what happened to her. You could read Amaral's book and base your opinions on the fact that he was a lead investigator in the case. You can read the PJ Files and even the summary as the PJ closed the investigations and have reasonable and honest opinion that there was no abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 09:17:55 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 09:13:47 PM
and Amaral won his case regarding the book.

You could listen to Mark Saunokonoko's podcasts which are well researched and, imo, reasonable, rational and honest. On the basis of listening to those podcasts you could reasonably and honestly state that you don't believe MM was abducted and you do believe the parents know what happened to her. You could read Amaral's book and base your opinions on the fact that he was a lead investigator in the case. You can read the PJ Files and even the summary as the PJ closed the investigations and have reasonable and honest opinion that there was no abduction.

Amaral won his case in Portugal... You cant have as a defence that you are gullible  and believe total bull
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 09:22:06 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 09:13:47 PM
and Amaral won his case regarding the book.

You could listen to Mark Saunokonoko's podcasts which are well researched and, imo, reasonable, rational and honest. On the basis of listening to those podcasts you could reasonably and honestly state that you don't believe MM was abducted and you do believe the parents know what happened to her. You could read Amaral's book and base your opinions on the fact that he was a lead investigator in the case. You can read the PJ Files and even the summary as the PJ closed the investigations and have reasonable and honest opinion that there was no abduction.
Why did Bennett come a cropper then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 08:44:19 PM
That is not a cite.  Cite please.

Yes it is.

It is clear from the post she is forming a reasonable opinion based on statements from the lead investigator in the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 09:38:50 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 09:35:27 PM
Yes it is.

It is clear from the post she is forming a reasonable opinion based on statements from the lead investigator in the case.

Who was sacked..as I said...believing total bull is not a defence...as VS pointed out.... Bennett was advised to settle
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 09:50:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 09:17:55 PM
Amaral won his case in Portugal... You cant have as a defence that you are gullible  and believe total bull

Amaral won his case.

Mark Saunokonoko's podcasts are rational, reasonable and honest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 05, 2020, 10:11:39 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 09:50:07 PM
Amaral won his case.

Mark Saunokonoko's podcasts are rational, reasonable and honest.

Flogging dead horses is such a laborious job!  8**8:/:

Regarding the German suspect- there is much to consider with regards he may have been involved in some capacity, this is not a libelous statement at all.  Trying to make fictional facts fit to make him look guilty of abduction is verging on libel I would say.

Kate did claim 'they had taken her'- both parents did believe she was dead at one point- then changed their minds, and forgave the  alleged abductor (paedophile gang- 'people aka allegedly kind childless couple).
You see this is the PR machine.(worth every penny) If they continued to say she was abducted feared dead at the hands of a paedophile gang their lives would have taken quite a different turn- VERY different.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 09:35:27 PM
Yes it is.

It is clear from the post she is forming a reasonable opinion based on statements from the lead investigator in the case.
There was no post to read, what are you talking about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 09:50:07 PM
Amaral won his case.

Mark Saunokonoko's podcasts are rational, reasonable and honest.

Amarals judgement applies to Portugal only..Saunokonokos podcasts are ful of things that are just not true..like amarals book
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 10:51:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 10:15:18 PM
Amarals judgement applies to Portugal only..Saunokonokos podcasts are ful of things that are just not true..like amarals book

That’s only your opinion.
Despite your view to the contrary a theory of rare stranger abduction has not been proven. People are entitled to honest, rational opinion. Not everyone shares your opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2020, 10:57:29 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2020, 10:51:26 PM
That’s only your opinion.
Despite your view to the contrary a theory of rare stranger abduction has not been proven. People are entitled to honest, rational opinion. Not everyone shares your opinion.

No there are factual lies in the podcasts..people are entitled to opinion but are limited by libel law. I'm quite aware others don't share my opinion...some people think the world is flat and that's the category those who follow amarals theory...belong in..imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 05, 2020, 11:05:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2020, 10:57:29 PM
No there are factual lies in the podcasts..people are entitled to opinion but are limited by libel law. I'm quite aware others don't share my opinion...some people think the world is flat and that's the category those who follow amarals theory...belong in..imo

That's a bit over the top, isn't it? The flatness or not of the earth is a matter of fact, not opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2020, 11:20:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 05, 2020, 11:05:50 PM
That's a bit over the top, isn't it? The flatness or not of the earth is a matter of fact, not opinion.
The sexual crimes s of Christian B are facts, but to some it’s only an opinion.
PS I think you meant to say the roundness of the earth is a matter of fact, surely the flatness is not a fact?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 06, 2020, 06:05:12 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2020, 11:20:19 PM
The sexual crimes s of Christian B are facts, but to some it’s only an opinion.
PS I think you meant to say the roundness of the earth is a matter of fact, surely the flatness is not a fact?
That is a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 06, 2020, 07:58:23 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 05, 2020, 11:05:50 PM
That's a bit over the top, isn't it? The flatness or not of the earth is a matter of fact, not opinion.

I spoke to someone last week ..he seemed rational and of average intelligence. He believed the world was flat and that the sun travelled round the earth...its all in the bible it seems although he said he wasnt religious. he also gave som eevidence to support this. How can we be hurtling through space and never hit anything...the ratio of the soze of the sun is the same as the ratio of their distance to earth.

I asked about the McCann case and he was convinced the parents were involved.

For me those who follow the amaral theory of death in the aprtment and a cover up are just about as enlightened as the flat earthers




Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 06, 2020, 08:41:25 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 07:58:23 AM
I spoke to someone last week ..he seemed rational and of average intelligence. He believed the world was flat and that the sun travelled round the earth...its all in the bible it seems although he said he wasnt religious. he also gave som eevidence to support this. How can we be hurtling through space and never hit anything...the ratio of the soze of the sun is the same as the ratio of their distance to earth.

I asked about the McCann case and he was convinced the parents were involved.

For me those who follow the amaral theory of death in the aprtment and a cover up are just about as enlightened as the flat earthers

The problem with that tale is that there is scientific evidence to support the theory that the earth isn’t flat. There is no scientific evidence to suggest that MM was abducted.

Also as much as I disagree with flat earthers I believe they should be free to express their beliefs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 06, 2020, 08:46:18 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 06, 2020, 08:41:25 AM
The problem with that tale is that there is scientific evidence to support the theory that the earth isn’t flat. There is no scientific evidence to suggest that MM was abducted.

Also as much as I disagree with flat earthers I believe they should be free to express their beliefs.

Both show a poor undersatnding an intepretation of the evidence...imo. Its good that poeple express their opinions...thats allows us to form judgements of them.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 06, 2020, 09:07:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 08:46:18 AM
Both show a poor undersatnding an intepretation of the evidence...imo. Its good that poeple express their opinions...thats allows us to form judgements of them.

There's a group of people posting here whose opinions I disagree with. I don't judge people on the opinions they hold, however, it's how they arrived at those opinions which interests me.

Some of them are basing their opinions on gossipy media reports or they themselves are misreporting events. Others are interpreting the actual evidence in a different way than I am. In my opinion (lol) the first group are lazy and probably don't realise how unreliable the media are. I respect the second group.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 06, 2020, 09:14:58 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 06, 2020, 09:07:07 AM
There's a group of people posting here whose opinions I disagree with. I don't judge people on the opinions they hold, however, it's how they arrived at those opinions which interests me.

Some of them are basing their opinions on gossipy media reports or they themselves are misreporting events. Others are interpreting the actual evidence in a different way than I am. In my opinion (lol) the first group are lazy and probably don't realise how unreliable the media are. I respect the second group.

I judge poeple on the opinions they hold...but only when I understand the evidence to support these opinions.

It tells me how good they are at assessing evidence. I don't think you understand how some of us have reached our conclusions,,,which makes your argument worthless. I think its an absolute fact that some errors in the statement s will be due to the way they were taken...thats supported by Colin sutton for one. You think the statements are 100% accurate.... think you are totally wrong which makes my opinion superior to yours..imo


that again is supported by the fact that the parents are not being seen as suspects in the investiagtion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 06, 2020, 09:29:32 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 09:14:58 AM
I judge poeple on the opinions they hold...but only when I understand the evidence to support these opinions.

It tells me how good they are at assessing evidence. I don't think you understand how some of us have reached our conclusions,,,which makes your argument worthless. I think its an absolute fact that some errors in the statement s will be due to the way they were taken...thats supported by Colin sutton for one. You think the statements are 100% accurate.... think you are totally wrong which makes my opinion superior to yours..imo


that again is supported by the fact that the parents are not being seen as suspects in the investiagtion

The difference between you and I imo isn't that I believe the statements are 100% accurate, it's that you choose to believe what the McCanns said and disbelieve anything which contradicts their story and I don't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 06, 2020, 09:35:41 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 06, 2020, 09:29:32 AM
The difference between you and I imo isn't that I believe the statements are 100% accurate, it's that you choose to believe what the McCanns said and disbelieve anything which contradicts their story and I don't.

My opinons are based on the evidence...I think thats the most sensible approach.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 06, 2020, 09:44:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 09:14:58 AM
I judge poeple on the opinions they hold...but only when I understand the evidence to support these opinions.

It tells me how good they are at assessing evidence. I don't think you understand how some of us have reached our conclusions,,,which makes your argument worthless. I think its an absolute fact that some errors in the statement s will be due to the way they were taken...thats supported by Colin sutton for one. You think the statements are 100% accurate.... think you are totally wrong which makes my opinion superior to yours..imo


that again is supported by the fact that the parents are not being seen as suspects in the investiagtion

With regards to your last sentence, Colin Sutton is correct to point out that is the reason why OG is flawed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 06, 2020, 09:49:04 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 06, 2020, 09:44:11 AM
With regards to your last sentence, Colin Sutton is correct to point out that is the reason why OG is flawed.

Grange isnt flawed...sutton doesnt know if the mccanns have been re interviewed. im not impressed by his view on DNA transference either
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 06, 2020, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 09:49:04 AM
Grange isnt flawed...sutton doesnt know if the mccanns have been re interviewed. im not impressed by his view on DNA transference either

He believes it was flawed for ruling out certain scenarios from the off. You of all people shouldn’t be satisfied with the attitude that says “The PJ have already investigated this so we don’t need to”!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 06, 2020, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 06, 2020, 10:00:01 AM
He believes it was flawed for ruling out certain scenarios from the off. You of all people shouldn’t be satisfied with the attitude that says “The PJ have already investigated this so we don’t need to”!!!

as I understand Grange looked at everything...which would include statements...I think its inconceivable to think they did not reinterview the McCanns...and decided the McCanns were not involved. Da carmo himself said...no evidence against the Mccanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 06, 2020, 10:14:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 10:05:46 AM
as I understand Grange looked at everything...which would include statements...I think its inconceivable to think they did not reinterview the McCanns...and decided the McCanns were not involved. Da carmo himself said...no evidence against the Mccanns

I’ll post the report of Sutton’s comments later. I’m on a phone atm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 06, 2020, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 10:05:46 AM
as I understand Grange looked at everything...which would include statements...I think its inconceivable to think they did not reinterview the McCanns...and decided the McCanns were not involved. Da carmo himself said...no evidence against the Mccanns

It took until 2017 for any new suspect to emerge it seem's, then only on the say so of a bestest mate, if they looked did it not register.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 06, 2020, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 09:35:41 AM
My opinons are based on the evidence...I think thats the most sensible approach.

Do you treat all the evidence equally?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 06, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 06, 2020, 10:41:05 AM
Do you treat all the evidence equally?

of course not...each piece of evidence needs to be evaluated
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 06, 2020, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
of course not...each piece of evidence needs to be evaluated

and the evidence of a stranger abduction is- the parents said so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 06, 2020, 05:19:55 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on July 06, 2020, 05:18:15 PM
and the evidence of a stranger abduction is- the parents said so.

Not at all..I would say the evidence points to it being the most probable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 06, 2020, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 05:19:55 PM
Not at all..I would say the evidence points to it being the most probable

What evidence - the circumstantial evidence? It’s not enough to charge the monster let alone convict him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 06, 2020, 05:59:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 06, 2020, 05:55:36 PM
What evidence - the circumstantial evidence? It’s not enough to charge the monster let alone convict him.

I never mentioned charges...My post was re the possibility of abduction. ..We don't know whst evidence the Germans have as yet...yet some are writing him off already
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2020, 06:01:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 05:59:48 PM
I never mentioned charges...My post was re the possibility of abduction. ..We don't know whst evidence the Germans have as yet...yet some are writing him off already

It’s certainly not enough to charge him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 06, 2020, 07:18:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 09:35:41 AM
My opinons are based on the evidence...I think thats the most sensible approach.
Is it possible to have an opinion then, in the face of so little evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 06, 2020, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 06, 2020, 07:18:41 PM
Is it possible to have an opinion then, in the face of so little evidence?

thers more evidence than peopel think. redwood said some time ago...Based on the evidence...an abduction by  a stranger...or something similar
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 06, 2020, 08:54:29 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 06, 2020, 07:18:41 PM
Is it possible to have an opinion then, in the face of so little evidence?

I certainly think it is.  There is quite a bit of evidence emanating from informed sources coming out of Germany and Portugal to enable people to form and hold diverse opinion.  One only has to read the posts on the forum signifying that no-one thinks it is cut and dried based on the differing reasoning behind the support and detraction expressed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 06, 2020, 11:27:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 06, 2020, 07:27:50 PM
thers more evidence than peopel think. redwood said some time ago...Based on the evidence...an abduction by  a stranger...or something similar
You would have to know your facts to call them evidence.  I'm surprised you didn't list them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
For those who think the location of Brueckner's mobile phone was identified as 'yards' from 5A;

(https://external-preview.redd.it/WGQWsPq56U0Tcz9t4ZjPBIGxHcGi9sHAmV3UcmpOFh0.jpg?auto=webp&s=8d0d19aed9975561a1826ba42b50ce36c7b37b59)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 08, 2020, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
For those who think the location of Brueckner's mobile phone was identified as 'yards' from 5A;

(https://external-preview.redd.it/WGQWsPq56U0Tcz9t4ZjPBIGxHcGi9sHAmV3UcmpOFh0.jpg?auto=webp&s=8d0d19aed9975561a1826ba42b50ce36c7b37b59)

Who thinks the phone was located yards from 5a....notice his answer to that question is would not..not cannot
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 12:19:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 08, 2020, 11:55:28 AM
Who thinks the phone was located yards from 5a....notice his answer to that question is would not..not cannot

Your new friend;

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11656.msg607279#msg607279

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 08, 2020, 12:22:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 12:19:05 PM
Your new friend;

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11656.msg607279#msg607279

So its just one person...not "those" . Do we know how many yards its been narrowed down to....I dont think we do..

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 08, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
For those who think the location of Brueckner's mobile phone was identified as 'yards' from 5A;

(https://external-preview.redd.it/WGQWsPq56U0Tcz9t4ZjPBIGxHcGi9sHAmV3UcmpOFh0.jpg?auto=webp&s=8d0d19aed9975561a1826ba42b50ce36c7b37b59)
What is this you keep quoting?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 08, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
What is this you keep quoting?

Whoops!

https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1279336096980066304
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 12:48:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 08, 2020, 12:22:57 PM
So its just one person...not "those" . Do we know how many yards its been narrowed down to....I dont think we do..

If that tweet is correct, the phone ping has been narrowed down to an unidentified mast in PdL, with an unknown coverage area. Maybe that's why he can't 100% confirm that his suspect was definitely in PdL.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 08, 2020, 12:50:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 12:43:49 PM
Whoops!

https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/1279336096980066304
Would be good to hear a link to the actual interview rather than a third person interpretation- have you got a link?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 08, 2020, 12:50:26 PM
Would be good to hear a link to the actual interview rather than a third person interpretation- have you got a link?

How can I give you a link to a telephone conversation? Saunokonoko's word is as good as that of all the other journalists who've been asserting all sorts of uncheckable things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 08, 2020, 02:54:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 12:58:35 PM
How can I give you a link to a telephone conversation? Saunokonoko's word is as good as that of all the other journalists who've been asserting all sorts of uncheckable things.
"Accept nothing
Believe no-one
Confirm everything"
He is a journalist with the means to make a good broadcast quality audio recording of a phone conversation having asked permission.
I would rather hear it for myself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 08, 2020, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 08, 2020, 02:54:16 PM
"Accept nothing
Believe no-one
Confirm everything"
He is a journalist with the means to make a good broadcast quality audio recording of a phone conversation having asked permission.
I would rather hear it for myself.

I would rather hear it for myself.


Well that does surprise me the number of snips you put from copy/paste B
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 08, 2020, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 12:48:34 PM
If that tweet is correct, the phone ping has been narrowed down to an unidentified mast in PdL, with an unknown coverage area. Maybe that's why he can't 100% confirm that his suspect was definitely in PdL.

You need to read it again....he dosnt say he cant confirm. yes....I am a nit picker for detail can and wont are not the same
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 08, 2020, 03:33:10 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 08, 2020, 03:05:21 PM
I would rather hear it for myself.


Well that does surprise me the number of snips you put from copy/paste B

Too bad my use of 'Snips' may be causing you some annoyance.  What would astound me is if you ever bothered to read them 👀

Like the member I was addressing in my post, I too am a stickler for "Accept nothing ~ Believe no-one ~ Confirm everything"

Which is why I will not take anything Saunokonoko says without hearing it in context.  He tends to use pod casts quite extensively in his work ... I doubt if he is shy about this one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 08, 2020, 03:44:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 12:48:34 PM
If that tweet is correct, the phone ping has been narrowed down to an unidentified mast in PdL, with an unknown coverage area. Maybe that's why he can't 100% confirm that his suspect was definitely in PdL.
You are making assumptions. Breukner may have not been told exactly where the mast is or its range but the Germans may well have that info. He may have been told the approximate location of the phone but he doesn't wish to share that information
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 08, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 08, 2020, 03:33:10 PM
Too bad my use of 'Snips' may be causing you some annoyance.  What would astound me is if you ever bothered to read them 👀

Like the member I was addressing in my post, I too am a stickler for "Accept nothing ~ Believe no-one ~ Confirm everything"

Which is why I will not take anything Saunokonoko says without hearing it in context.  He tends to use pod casts quite extensively in his work ... I doubt if he is shy about this one.


It's not that I don't bother to read them, it's just your stance is the opposite to mine.

There are quite a few snips from just media coverage, what would be impossible for you to check out if you don't mind me saying

So is that you will accept I have and believe I have because I have confirmed I do read your posts B
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 08, 2020, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 08, 2020, 03:51:56 PM

It's not that I don't bother to read them, it's just your stance is the opposite to mine.

There are quite a few snips from just media coverage, what would be impossible for you to check out if you don't mind me saying

So is that you will accept I have and believe I have because I have confirmed I do read your posts B

Thank you, Kizzy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 08, 2020, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 12:58:35 PM
How can I give you a link to a telephone conversation? Saunokonoko's word is as good as that of all the other journalists who've been asserting all sorts of uncheckable things.
Aha!  The. we don’t know if he said wouldn’t or couldn’t and only have a Sceptic hero’s word for it what he did actually say about any of it.  Say no more!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 08, 2020, 06:19:09 PM
Aha!  The. we don’t know if he said wouldn’t or couldn’t and only have a Sceptic hero’s word for it what he did actually say about any of it.  Say no more!

If you go back to the early days, the police never said he was in PdL; its the media who changed the narrative from him being in the area to him being lurking outside 5A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 08, 2020, 07:39:12 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 08, 2020, 03:33:10 PM
Too bad my use of 'Snips' may be causing you some annoyance.  What would astound me is if you ever bothered to read them 👀

Like the member I was addressing in my post, I too am a stickler for "Accept nothing ~ Believe no-one ~ Confirm everything"

Which is why I will not take anything Saunokonoko says without hearing it in context.  He tends to use pod casts quite extensively in his work ... I doubt if he is shy about this one.

I too am a stickler for "Accept nothing ~ Believe no-one ~ Confirm everything"

That's why the PJ wanted to do a reconstruction with the witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 08, 2020, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 08, 2020, 07:39:12 PM
I too am a stickler for "Accept nothing ~ Believe no-one ~ Confirm everything"

That's why the PJ wanted to do a reconstruction with the witnesses.

So why did Amaral refuse to do a reconstruction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 08, 2020, 07:43:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 07:29:25 PM
If you go back to the early days, the police never said he was in PdL; its the media who changed the narrative from him being in the area to him being lurking outside 5A.

In the early days as I rememeber his phone placed him near 5a...why  did his phone appear on the radar if it wasnt picked by a mast
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 08, 2020, 08:31:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 07:29:25 PM
If you go back to the early days, the police never said he was in PdL; its the media who changed the narrative from him being in the area to him being lurking outside 5A.
Wrong.  HCW himself said he was outside the Apartment block on that 60 Minutes Doc.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 08, 2020, 08:31:58 PM
Wrong.  HCW himself said he was outside the Apartment block on that 60 Minutes Doc.

This is the wording of the official appeal;

 he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile phone number + 351 912 730 680 in
the time period in question. On 03/05/2007, there was a phone call with a so far unidentified person in the area of Praia da Luz at the material time. The conversation partner used the Portuguese
phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness, but
was not staying in the area at the time of the call.
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#detailinformationen132470
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 08, 2020, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 09:36:12 PM
This is the wording of the official appeal;

 he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile phone number + 351 912 730 680 in
the time period in question. On 03/05/2007, there was a phone call with a so far unidentified person in the area of Praia da Luz at the material time. The conversation partner used the Portuguese
phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness, but
was not staying in the area at the time of the call.
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#detailinformationen132470
That’s as maybe, did you watch the 60 Minutes documentary?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 10:54:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 08, 2020, 10:36:46 PM
That’s as maybe, did you watch the 60 Minutes documentary?

Have you got a link?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 08, 2020, 10:55:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 09:36:12 PM
This is the wording of the official appeal;

 he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile phone number + 351 912 730 680 in
the time period in question. On 03/05/2007, there was a phone call with a so far unidentified person in the area of Praia da Luz at the material time. The conversation partner used the Portuguese
phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness, but
was not staying in the area at the time of the call.
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#detailinformationen132470

I can't open this link.  Is it in German? 

We have already had a very bad translation of The German Language on this Forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 08, 2020, 11:20:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 10:54:59 PM
Have you got a link?
Yes, it’s already been posted on this thread at least once.  Would you like me to find it for you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 09, 2020, 06:03:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 08, 2020, 10:55:14 PM
I can't open this link.  Is it in German? 

We have already had a very bad translation of The German Language on this Forum.
The BKA published a pdf with exactly the same wording in German, Portuguese and English. This is the English version...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 09, 2020, 08:40:12 AM
Quit the feuding, already!... https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uw0vq (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uw0vq)

And from the not so sublime to the completely ridiculous...

https://www.yourtango.com/2020335199/did-ghislaine-maxwell-kidnap-madeleine-mccann (https://www.yourtango.com/2020335199/did-ghislaine-maxwell-kidnap-madeleine-mccann)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 09, 2020, 08:51:28 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 09, 2020, 08:40:12 AM
Quit the feuding, already!... https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uw0vq (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uw0vq)

And from the not so sublime to the completely ridiculous...

https://www.yourtango.com/2020335199/did-ghislaine-maxwell-kidnap-madeleine-mccann (https://www.yourtango.com/2020335199/did-ghislaine-maxwell-kidnap-madeleine-mccann)

The mediocre stream media are struggling to find copy these days 😂😂😂
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 09, 2020, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 09, 2020, 06:03:27 AM
The BKA published a pdf with exactly the same wording in German, Portuguese and English. This is the English version...

Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 09:00:29 AM
I think we will see some real progress in the next few weeks. I don't see how the germans could possibly speak about strong or concrete evidence and actually not have something significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 09:10:43 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 08, 2020, 11:20:39 PM
Yes, it’s already been posted on this thread at least once.  Would you like me to find it for you?

Yes please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 09:21:06 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 09:10:43 AM
Yes please.
I've provided cites for you before which you have then either not thanked me for or ignored completely, so please tell me why I should spend time doing your bidding (apart from you are the LAW and you say so)?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 10:04:27 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 09, 2020, 09:21:06 AM
I've provided cites for you before which you have then either not thanked me for or ignored completely, so please tell me why I should spend time doing your bidding (apart from you are the LAW and you say so)?

You offered, I answered, now you're backtracking? Please yourself, I've provided my cites.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 10:04:27 AM
You offered, I answered, now you're backtracking? Please yourself, I've provided my cites.
No, I'm not backtracking at all, I'm just sick of doing your bidding without so much as a ta or acknowledgement that my point was correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 09, 2020, 10:43:42 AM
No, I'm not backtracking at all, I'm just sick of doing your bidding without so much as a ta or acknowledgement that my point was correct.

You seem to think you're doing me a favour by providing a link to something. You're not, you're doing it to demonstrate that what you claimed is correct. Your reluctance makes me wonder if it was incorrect and I expect it's making others wonder too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 09, 2020, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 09, 2020, 06:03:27 AM
The BKA published a pdf with exactly the same wording in German, Portuguese and English. This is the English version...

Suspected murder, how is that hard evidence?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 10:56:20 AM
You seem to think you're doing me a favour by providing a link to something. You're not, you're doing it to demonstrate that what you claimed is correct. Your reluctance makes me wonder if it was incorrect and I expect it's making others wonder too.

doesnt make me wonder
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 12:55:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 10:56:20 AM
You seem to think you're doing me a favour by providing a link to something. You're not, you're doing it to demonstrate that what you claimed is correct. Your reluctance makes me wonder if it was incorrect and I expect it's making others wonder too.
It wasn't incorrect - just watch the Australian 60 Minutes programme and all will be revealed.  There's already been at least one cite posted on this very thread already.  You're very welcome.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 09, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 09, 2020, 12:55:29 PM
It wasn't incorrect - just watch the Australian 60 Minutes programme and all will be revealed.  There's already been at least one cite posted on this very thread already.  You're very welcome.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg604453#msg604453
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 09, 2020, 09:00:29 AM
I think we will see some real progress in the next few weeks. I don't see how the germans could possibly speak about strong or concrete evidence and actually not have something significant

I've already pointed out a very senior person in Germany's justice department has referred to the prosecutors' offices as "cavalry of the law" and "dashing spirit".

Often organisations/individuals are able to act with impunity until something or someone comes along to highlight 'errors of ways'.  The case attracts a global audience as a consequence the lawyers will be upping their game.  My guess is that this is going to end in  8)><( for Germany.  They will end up looking like the sick man in Europe as far as justice goes.  Will ECHR come down hard on Germany over violation of human rights? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 01:40:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
For those who think the location of Brueckner's mobile phone was identified as 'yards' from 5A;

(https://external-preview.redd.it/WGQWsPq56U0Tcz9t4ZjPBIGxHcGi9sHAmV3UcmpOFh0.jpg?auto=webp&s=8d0d19aed9975561a1826ba42b50ce36c7b37b59)

What is intersections is MS says he had a 30 min interview with HCW so what else was said..why hasn't he given a full report. Probably because HCW would not have been very supportive of Marks other ideas..imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 01:46:08 PM

The evidence Maddie is dead & Brueckner murdered her is concrete, but it isn't enough to charge him.

Am I the only one who finds this quite absurd?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 01:46:17 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
I've already pointed out a very senior person in Germany's justice department has referred to the prosecutors' offices as "cavalry of the law" and "dashing spirit".

Often organisations/individuals are able to act with impunity until something or someone comes along to highlight 'errors of ways'.  The case attracts a global audience as a consequence the lawyers will be upping their game.  My guess is that this is going to end in  8)><( for Germany.  They will end up looking like the sick man in Europe as far as justice goes.  Will ECHR come down hard on Germany over violation of human rights?

You've quoted one article from about 17 years ago...what does cavalry of the law. I see an extremely pathetic attempt to attack the German police..it makes you look more than a bit silly imo.
I agree if the Germans don't have this strong evidence they will look silly but I don't see anything to suggest they would make such a wild claim.
I prefer to wait and see .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 09, 2020, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
I've already pointed out a very senior person in Germany's justice department has referred to the prosecutors' offices as "cavalry of the law" and "dashing spirit".

Often organisations/individuals are able to act with impunity until something or someone comes along to highlight 'errors of ways'.  The case attracts a global audience as a consequence the lawyers will be upping their game.  My guess is that this is going to end in  8)><( for Germany.  They will end up looking like the sick man in Europe as far as justice goes.  Will ECHR come down hard on Germany over violation of human rights?

They'll have to go some to beat Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 01:50:07 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
I've already pointed out a very senior person in Germany's justice department has referred to the prosecutors' offices as "cavalry of the law" and "dashing spirit".

Often organisations/individuals are able to act with impunity until something or someone comes along to highlight 'errors of ways'.  The case attracts a global audience as a consequence the lawyers will be upping their game.  My guess is that this is going to end in  8)><( for Germany.  They will end up looking like the sick man in Europe as far as justice goes.  Will ECHR come down hard on Germany over violation of human rights?
@)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 01:51:40 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 09, 2020, 08:40:12 AM
Quit the feuding, already!... https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uw0vq (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uw0vq)

And from the not so sublime to the completely ridiculous...

https://www.yourtango.com/2020335199/did-ghislaine-maxwell-kidnap-madeleine-mccann (https://www.yourtango.com/2020335199/did-ghislaine-maxwell-kidnap-madeleine-mccann)

The Mc's lawyer is far more dignified than the 'loose cannon'!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 01:46:08 PM
The evidence Maddie is dead & Brueckner murdered her is concrete, but it isn't enough to charge him.

Am I the only one who finds this quite absurd?
It is absurd because that is not what was said.  You need to learn to read and comprehend. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 01:54:04 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 09, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg604453#msg604453

Thank you Brietta.

At 10:13 Wolters says the suspect's phone "was connecting in the mast which belongs to the Ocean Club". Is that the same as VS's claim? That was;

HCW himself said he was outside the Apartment block on that 60 Minutes Doc.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg607890#msg607890
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 09, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
It is absurd because that is not what was said.  You need to learn to read and comprehend.

What did he say then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 02:00:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 09, 2020, 01:46:17 PM
You've quoted one article from about 17 years ago...what does cavalry of the law. I see an extremely pathetic attempt to attack the German police..it makes you look more than a bit silly imo.
I agree if the Germans don't have this strong evidence they will look silly but I don't see anything to suggest they would make such a wild claim.
I prefer to wait and see .

You seem unable to distinguish between the prosecutors' offices and the police aka BKA.  What has the BKA said on the matter besides displaying material on its website produced by the prosecutor's office? 

Seems to me its a cultural thing how the prosecutors' offices carry on.  Perhaps akin to how the MET has been found guilty by a judge of being institutionally racist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 02:07:36 PM
https://www.criminalsolicitor.co.uk/blog/mobile-telephone-cell-site-analysis/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 09, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
It is absurd because that is not what was said.  You need to learn to read and comprehend.

“We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-concrete-evidence-22198019

Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 01:46:08 PM
The evidence Maddie is dead & Brueckner murdered her is concrete, but it isn't enough to charge him.

Am I the only one who finds this quite absurd?


What's the difference here?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 02:07:36 PM
https://www.criminalsolicitor.co.uk/blog/mobile-telephone-cell-site-analysis/

BKA or MET would need Portugal's permission to conduct tests to produce the cell site analysis by using engineers on the ground.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 02:00:18 PM
You seem unable to distinguish between the prosecutors' offices and the police aka BKA.  What has the BKA said on the matter besides displaying material on its website produced by the prosecutor's office? 

Seems to me its a cultural thing how the prosecutors' offices carry on.  Perhaps akin to how the MET has been found guilty by a judge of being institutionally racist.

I can distinguish fact from fantasy which you seem to struggle with
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 02:00:18 PM
You seem unable to distinguish between the prosecutors' offices and the police aka BKA.  What has the BKA said on the matter besides displaying material on its website produced by the prosecutor's office? 

Seems to me its a cultural thing how the prosecutors' offices carry on.  Perhaps akin to how the MET has been found guilty by a judge of being institutionally racist.

You say you believe in justice and not the court of public opinion ..yet you have found HCW and the German justice system guilt of denying CB his human rights. You have then proceeded to the ECHR and found Germany guilty there.
Does your support of justice only extend to the rights of paedophiles and rapists...like CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 09, 2020, 02:46:16 PM
I can distinguish fact from fantasy which you seem to struggle with

What fantasy are you referring to?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 09, 2020, 02:55:42 PM
Guy, guys.....everyone chill the heck out.
The 'concrete evidence' MM is dead that HCW refers to is the analysis of the EVRD searches.

......sheeeesh. You guys.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 09, 2020, 03:00:43 PM
Quote from: The General on July 09, 2020, 02:55:42 PM
Guy, guys.....everyone chill the heck out.
The 'concrete evidence' MM is dead that HCW refers to is the analysis of the EVRD searches.

......sheeeesh. You guys.

Now there's an interesting thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 09, 2020, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 09, 2020, 03:00:43 PM
Now there's an interesting thought.
It's more than that, girl, it's a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 03:04:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 09, 2020, 02:51:02 PM
You say you believe in justice and not the court of public opinion ..yet you have found HCW and the German justice system guilt of denying CB his human rights. You have then proceeded to the ECHR and found Germany guilty there.
Does your support of justice only extend to the rights of paedophiles and rapists...like CB

Please refer to my posts which support your claims.

And please stop trying to make the discussion emotive.  You know Human Rights extend to all in modern democratic countries regardless of any other factors.  A key principle is the right to a fair trial. 

If, and its a very big if imo, CB is charged I hope Portugal will fight to hold the trial there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 02:54:34 PM
What fantasy are you referring to?

Carole T being the abductor...you talk about justice yet you have found her guilty in your kangaroo court...thats libellous too. At least CHW refers to his suspect and doesnt name him.

your fantasy that CHW is incompetent and will be sacked....again no real justice...he sincompetent because you say so

Your fantasy that CB has  case for libel and a case for the ECHR
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: The General on July 09, 2020, 02:55:42 PM
Guy, guys.....everyone chill the heck out.
The 'concrete evidence' MM is dead that HCW refers to is the analysis of the EVRD searches.

......sheeeesh. You guys.

Well spotted!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 03:07:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 09, 2020, 03:06:00 PM

your fantasy that CHW is incompetent and will be sacked....again no real justice...he sincompetent because you say so

Your fantasy that CB has  case for libel and a case for the ECHR

Who is CHW?

The fact you disagree with something doesn't make it a fantasy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 03:08:49 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 03:04:02 PM
Please refer to my posts which support your claims.

And please stop trying to make the discussion emotive.  You know Human Rights extend to all in modern democratic countries regardless of any other factors.  A key principle is the right to a fair trial. 

If, and its a very big if imo, CB is charged I hope Portugal will fight to hold the trial there.

I do but you dont seem to think they extend  to HCW.

Why do you want CB tried in portugal...so that the PJ could extract  a confession as they did in a related case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: The General on July 09, 2020, 02:55:42 PM
Guy, guys.....everyone chill the heck out.
The 'concrete evidence' MM is dead that HCW refers to is the analysis of the EVRD searches.

......sheeeesh. You guys.

He says he has concrete evidence of death and that his suspect killed her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 03:07:45 PM
Who is CHW?

The fact you disagree with something doesn't make it a fantasy.


its fantasy if there is no evidence to support it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 09, 2020, 03:18:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 09, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
He says he has concrete evidence of death and that his suspect killed her.
'Concrete evidence' of her being dead and this apparent placing him near the scene. Two very succinct distinctions; he's referring to the former, hence why they were appealing for help with the numbers.
But I can see how you'd conclude the opposite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 03:23:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 09, 2020, 03:08:49 PM
I do but you dont seem to think they extend  to HCW.

Why do you want CB tried in portugal...so that the PJ could extract  a confession as they did in a related case

How have HCW's HR's been violated?  He's the spokesperson wheeled out by those with the real power.

As Eleanor points out this is the MM board/CB thread not JC.

You seem to me Davel to be intolerant of anyone who doesn't share your world view and incapable of accepting that someone/something can be perceived and interpreted in different ways.

Not content that I'm not a sceptic you're prepared to spend all day with me arguing because I think Germany's case against CB is non-existent and I have my own theory about what happened to MM.  Until you're able to produce something substantively new, which I doubt you ever will, I will not be changing my opinions.

Off to do some housework.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 03:23:43 PM
How have HCW's HR's been violated?  He's the spokesperson wheeled out by those with the real power.

As Eleanor points out this is the MM board/CB thread not JC.

You seem to me Davel to be intolerant of anyone who doesn't share your world view and incapable of accepting that someone/something can be perceived and interpreted in different ways.

Not content that I'm not a sceptic you're prepared to spend all day with me arguing because I think Germany's case against CB is non-existent and I have my own theory about what happened to MM.  Until you're able to produce something substantively new, which I doubt you ever will, I will not be changing my opinions.

Off to do some housework.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2020, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 09, 2020, 03:08:49 PM
I do but you dont seem to think they extend  to HCW.

Why do you want CB tried in portugal...so that the PJ could extract  a confession as they did in a related case

Normally, IIRC, crimes are tried in the country in which the crime was committed (with some exceptions). There was a whole thread on this.

Germany may have a different law which might take precedence, but I haven't looked into it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 01:54:04 PM
Thank you Brietta.

At 10:13 Wolters says the suspect's phone "was connecting in the mast which belongs to the Ocean Club". Is that the same as VS's claim? That was;

HCW himself said he was outside the Apartment block on that 60 Minutes Doc.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg607890#msg607890
did you watch the whole programme?  I'm sure he DID make that claim in it.  Well if that cite won't do, I doubt this one will either, from an exclusive interview in the Mail On Sunday with HCW:

Mr Wolters said: 'Brueckner's telephone number comes from our investigation, but British police have a data pool from 2007 from Praia da Luz of all mobile numbers [used in that area at the time], so we put our telephone number to the data of the British police – and it matched.

'So we think that our suspect was, on the day Madeleine was kidnapped in Praia da Luz, near the apartment.'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2020, 03:23:43 PM
How have HCW's HR's been violated?  He's the spokesperson wheeled out by those with the real power.

As Eleanor points out this is the MM board/CB thread not JC.

You seem to me Davel to be intolerant of anyone who doesn't share your world view and incapable of accepting that someone/something can be perceived and interpreted in different ways.

Not content that I'm not a sceptic you're prepared to spend all day with me arguing because I think Germany's case against CB is non-existent and I have my own theory about what happened to MM.  Until you're able to produce something substantively new, which I doubt you ever will, I will not be changing my opinions.

Off to do some housework.

I dont really care if you change your opinions ...i'm just giving mine.

You seem to be intolerant of my opinions. You seem to think I shouldnt have the right to express them.

On what evidence do you base your opinion that the case is non existant. HCW has cleary said they have strong/concrete evidence but he refuses to divulge it...you say they havent and he will be sacked. Why will he be sacked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 01:54:04 PM
Thank you Brietta.

At 10:13 Wolters says the suspect's phone "was connecting in the mast which belongs to the Ocean Club". Is that the same as VS's claim? That was;

HCW himself said he was outside the Apartment block on that 60 Minutes Doc.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg607890#msg607890
Interviewer: so what you're saying is you can place the suspect at the scene?
HCW: yes, we think so.

You didn't watch the whole thing!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 02:10:16 PM
“We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-concrete-evidence-22198019


What's the difference here?
What you'll need to do is find a clip of him actually uttering the words "we have concrete evidence the suspect killed Madeleine" because a report in the Daily Mirror which may have misquoted him doesn't cut it I'm afraid.  8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 09, 2020, 03:42:00 PM
What you'll need to do is find a clip of him actually uttering the words "we have concreted evidence the suspect killed Madeleine" because a report in the Daily Mirror which may have misquoted him doesn't cut it I'm afraid.  8(>((

I really can't be arsed tbh.

But I do think the prosecutor is playing a dangerous game with Maddie's life.

"There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.

Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.

She is young and vulnerable and needs our help."

http://findmadeleine.com/home.html

If people believe Maddie is dead they will stop looking for her.

The German prosecutor is severely damaging the search for Madeleine, worse than Amaral ever did.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 09, 2020, 04:21:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 04:14:19 PM
I really can't be arsed tbh.

But I do think the prosecutor is playing a dangerous game with Maddie's life.

"There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.

Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.

She is young and vulnerable and needs our help."

http://findmadeleine.com/home.html

If people believe Maddie is dead they will stop looking for her.

The German prosecutor is severely damaging the search for Madeleine, worse than Amaral ever did.


Do you think the McCanns will sue him because of this ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 09, 2020, 05:36:49 PM
A month-old interview with Martin Brunt.  Something to listen to, I suppose, until a Kango Breaker reveals more concrete evidence...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKhwxzqQ370 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKhwxzqQ370)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 04:14:19 PM
I really can't be arsed tbh.

But I do think the prosecutor is playing a dangerous game with Maddie's life.

"There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.

Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.

She is young and vulnerable and needs our help."

http://findmadeleine.com/home.html

If people believe Maddie is dead they will stop looking for her.

The German prosecutor is severely damaging the search for Madeleine, worse than Amaral ever did.
Very droll, troll.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 05:50:15 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 09, 2020, 05:36:49 PM
A month-old interview with Martin Brunt.  Something to listen to, I suppose, until a Kango Breaker reveals more concrete evidence...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKhwxzqQ370 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKhwxzqQ370)

Well, that was another 10 mins of my life wasted.

I demand a refund.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 06:29:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 09, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
Very droll, troll.

I don't think there's anything droll about it personally, this is a very serious matter.

Have you been anywhere looking for Madeleine since the German prosecutor said she's dead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 07:42:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2020, 06:29:52 PM
I don't think there's anything droll about it personally, this is a very serious matter.

Have you been anywhere looking for Madeleine since the German prosecutor said she's dead?
It’s going to take more than that to wind me up Spammy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 09, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
did you watch the whole programme?  I'm sure he DID make that claim in it.  Well if that cite won't do, I doubt this one will either, from an exclusive interview in the Mail On Sunday with HCW:

Mr Wolters said: 'Brueckner's telephone number comes from our investigation, but British police have a data pool from 2007 from Praia da Luz of all mobile numbers [used in that area at the time], so we put our telephone number to the data of the British police – and it matched.

'So we think that our suspect was, on the day Madeleine was kidnapped in Praia da Luz, near the apartment.'

I don't think it was possible to pinpoint a phone with such precision at the time. Maybe he misunderstood what they told him. The truth is in the appeal, which was carefully written imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2020, 08:07:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
I don't think it was possible to pinpoint a phone with such precision at the time. Maybe he misunderstood what they told him. The truth is in the appeal, which was carefully written imo.

perhaps when you know for certain you can let us know
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2020, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 09, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
I don't think it was possible to pinpoint a phone with such precision at the time. Maybe he misunderstood what they told him. The truth is in the appeal, which was carefully written imo.
You asked for a cite to back up my claim, I provided a cite to back up my claim. Feel free to interpret it to suit your own agenda.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 12:51:38 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 06, 2020, 10:14:16 AM
I’ll post the report of Sutton’s comments later. I’m on a phone atm.

Sorry for the delay....

https://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2017/05/mark-saunokonoko-uk-police-guilty-of.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 10, 2020, 07:26:28 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 12:51:38 AM
Sorry for the delay....

https://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2017/05/mark-saunokonoko-uk-police-guilty-of.html

whers the cite for the phone call...im afraid you wont be able to find one
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 10, 2020, 08:36:43 AM
What we are seeing is that posters who already have a fixed idea about what happenend to maddie are refusing to accept their may be new evidence and  a real possibility of the case being solved. They are showing  a closed mind. If the PJ announced they had concrete evidence against the parents...I  wouldnt be condemning it as rubbish without hearing it...I would be genuinely interested. Thats the difference...an open mind
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 10, 2020, 07:26:28 AM
whers the cite for the phone call...im afraid you wont be able to find one

That was in MS's "Maddie" podcast. I posted you that earlier.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 10, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
That was in MS's "Maddie" podcast. I posted you that earlier.

which episode...the one I heard he said he didnt speak to Grime...they conversed by email...so no phonecall.

so the cite should give episode number and wherabouts on the podcast
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 02:15:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 10, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
which episode...the one I heard he said he didnt speak to Grime...they conversed by email...so no phonecall.

so the cite should give episode number and wherabouts on the podcast

If you doubt what I remember hearing then listen to them all again yourself and tell me I'm wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 10, 2020, 02:18:17 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 02:15:23 PM
If you doubt what I remember hearing then listen to them all again yourself and tell me I'm wrong.

I've listened and you are wrong...you made the claim you should provide the cite
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 02:21:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 10, 2020, 02:18:17 PM
I've listened and you are wrong...you made the claim you should provide the cite

Fair enough... but you'll have to wait until I have time to listen again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 10, 2020, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 02:21:51 PM
Fair enough... but you'll have to wait until I have time to listen again.

You only need to listen to the one where he discusses Grime...he says they communicated via email
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 10, 2020, 03:22:53 PM
The latest from Heri.
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 10, 2020, 03:28:50 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 10, 2020, 03:22:53 PM
The latest from Heri.
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what.html
They've already found the user of the mobile phone number. Pointless reading after that and 14 seconds I'll never get back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 10, 2020, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 10, 2020, 03:22:53 PM
The latest from Heri.
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what.html

So if they test the forensic material ...

the 15/20 markers will be enough in Germany to say Maddie is dead I believe and that she died in apartment imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 10, 2020, 04:08:41 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 10, 2020, 04:02:29 PM
So if they test the forensic material ...

the 15/20 markers will be enough in Germany to say Maddie is dead I believe and that she died in apartment imo

You couldn't be further from the truth

I'll explain how it works. If they found a DNA sample somewhere where Maddie's family had not been...and it was a single persons sample ...that would be different
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 10, 2020, 04:46:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 10, 2020, 04:08:41 PM
You couldn't be further from the truth

I'll explain how it works. If they found a DNA sample somewhere where Maddie's family had not been...and it was a single persons sample ...that would be different

They can only test what they have


1. They will try to find matches between the forensic material collected in apartment 5A, the scene of the crime, the day after the abduction, and Christian B's nuclear and mitochondrial DNA profiles and fingerprints. The material collected in apartmente 5A consisted basically in hair and fingerprints.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 10, 2020, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 10, 2020, 04:46:25 PM
They can only test what they have


1. They will try to find matches between the forensic material collected in apartment 5A, the scene of the crime, the day after the abduction, and Christian B's nuclear and mitochondrial DNA profiles and fingerprints. The material collected in apartmente 5A consisted basically in hair and fingerprints.

they are looking for a match with Breukner not with Maddie
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 10, 2020, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 10, 2020, 04:02:29 PM
So if they test the forensic material ...

the 15/20 markers will be enough in Germany to say Maddie is dead I believe and that she died in apartment imo

As the Scientist said,  Madeleine would share her markers with her parents and also with strangers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 10, 2020, 04:46:25 PM
They can only test what they have


1. They will try to find matches between the forensic material collected in apartment 5A, the scene of the crime, the day after the abduction, and Christian B's nuclear and mitochondrial DNA profiles and fingerprints. The material collected in apartmente 5A consisted basically in hair and fingerprints.

and the material on swab 3a.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 10, 2020, 06:00:29 PM
Madeliene's DNA is inherited entirely from her parents
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 10, 2020, 06:09:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 10, 2020, 06:00:29 PM
Madeliene's DNA is inherited entirely from her parents
Biological siblings could have similar DNA profiles.  That is why they say the probabilities compared to unrelated persons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 10, 2020, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 10, 2020, 06:09:26 PM
Biological siblings could have similar DNA profiles.  That is why they say the probabilities compared to unrelated persons.

Indeed they would have
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 10, 2020, 06:22:37 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 02:21:51 PM
Fair enough... but you'll have to wait until I have time to listen again.

i listened to it again. Grime says he cannot speak because the case is still ongoing but they converse by email. The phone call is with another dog handler Mike Swindell.

MS also makes the incorrect claim that eddie hasnt been wrong in 200 cases. If poeple accept that as being true...it isnt...it's no wonder they think the dog has to be right
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 10, 2020, 09:59:16 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511639/amp/Portuguese-police-launch-search-Madeleine-McCanns-body-Algarve.html?__twitter_impression=true


By Natalia Penza For Mailonline
21:35 10 Jul 2020, updated 21:51 10 Jul 2020

Portuguese police reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body
Searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, Algarve
State broadcaster RTP said detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence'
Evidence proves suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for disappearance
Portuguese police have reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body on the Algarve.

The searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, a 20 minute drive west of Praia da Luz where the British youngster vanished in May 2007.

Portuguese state broadcaster RTP is saying detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence' to be able to prove suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for her disappearance.

The broadcaster has also linked the German 43-year-old to another missing persons' case in the Algarve resort of Silves. More details are expected to be revealed later.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 10, 2020, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: The General on July 10, 2020, 03:28:50 PM
They've already found the user of the mobile phone number. Pointless reading after that and 14 seconds I'll never get back.
What are you gaining by dismissing Heriberto’s research into the case, his findings and his willingness to share it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 10, 2020, 10:16:15 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 10, 2020, 10:07:02 PM
What are you gaining by dismissing Heriberto’s research into the case, his findings and his willingness to share it?

Credibility?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 10, 2020, 10:16:15 PM
Credibility?

Your credibility.  I see.  You have to be right for your own sake.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 10, 2020, 10:26:28 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 10:20:59 PM
Your credibility.  I see.  You have to be right for your own sake.
Sceptics are just jealous that the media listen to Heri but dismiss their own nonsense out of hand.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 10:38:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 10, 2020, 10:26:28 PM
Sceptics are just jealous that the media listen to Heri but dismiss their own nonsense out of hand.

Oh, I think it is a bit more serious than that.  I wish that Sceptics were just wrong in passing, despite the horrible things that they have said.

Their own Credibility will be the death of their Credibility.  But then we always knew that.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.  They chose to attack The McCanns.  It wasn't forced on them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 10, 2020, 10:41:24 PM
According to court records, Brueckner did not disclose his historical conviction for sex abuse in Germany involved a child.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-twice-slipped-through-net-of-portuguese-investigators-12025991
*snipped*
Asked by a judge to list his previous crimes, he admitted to a conviction for sex abuse in Germany when he was a juvenile, but didn't reveal his victim was a young girl.

The court stenographer recorded: "When he was 17 years old he was convicted in Germany for burglaries and sex crimes."

Serafim Vieira, the Portuguese lawyer who defended him in a Portimao court, said: "He didn't tell the judge it was a paedophile crime and the judge was not obliged to ask for the German police files or investigate it.


"The crime was more than ten years earlier and had no bearing on the theft crime he had just admitted."

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So Amaral lied when he said PJ knew CB was a paedophile in 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 10, 2020, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: misty on July 10, 2020, 10:41:24 PM
According to court records, Brueckner did not disclose his historical conviction for sex abuse in Germany involved a child.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-twice-slipped-through-net-of-portuguese-investigators-12025991
*snipped*
Asked by a judge to list his previous crimes, he admitted to a conviction for sex abuse in Germany when he was a juvenile, but didn't reveal his victim was a young girl.

The court stenographer recorded: "When he was 17 years old he was convicted in Germany for burglaries and sex crimes."

Serafim Vieira, the Portuguese lawyer who defended him in a Portimao court, said: "He didn't tell the judge it was a paedophile crime and the judge was not obliged to ask for the German police files or investigate it.


"The crime was more than ten years earlier and had no bearing on the theft crime he had just admitted."

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So Amaral lied when he said PJ knew CB was a paedophile in 2007.
Or maybe he did know via the paedo grapevine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 10, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
State broadcaster RTP said detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence'

I wonder what is it  8)><(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 11:03:55 PM
Quote from: misty on July 10, 2020, 10:41:24 PM
According to court records, Brueckner did not disclose his historical conviction for sex abuse in Germany involved a child.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-twice-slipped-through-net-of-portuguese-investigators-12025991
*snipped*
Asked by a judge to list his previous crimes, he admitted to a conviction for sex abuse in Germany when he was a juvenile, but didn't reveal his victim was a young girl.

The court stenographer recorded: "When he was 17 years old he was convicted in Germany for burglaries and sex crimes."

Serafim Vieira, the Portuguese lawyer who defended him in a Portimao court, said: "He didn't tell the judge it was a paedophile crime and the judge was not obliged to ask for the German police files or investigate it.


"The crime was more than ten years earlier and had no bearing on the theft crime he had just admitted."

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So Amaral lied when he said PJ knew CB was a paedophile in 2007.

Please God, help me.  I don't know what is going on, so nor can anyone else.

I believe that this man is a serial offender in regard to crimes of Paedophilia.  But this does not mean that he abducted Madeleine, for whatever reason.  But supposing he did then he will not have gone to such risky lengths just to abuse her.  It simply doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 10, 2020, 10:48:58 PM
Or maybe he did know via the paedo grapevine?

What sense would that make unless there was something in it for Amaral?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: misty on July 10, 2020, 10:41:24 PM
According to court records, Brueckner did not disclose his historical conviction for sex abuse in Germany involved a child.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-twice-slipped-through-net-of-portuguese-investigators-12025991
*snipped*
Asked by a judge to list his previous crimes, he admitted to a conviction for sex abuse in Germany when he was a juvenile, but didn't reveal his victim was a young girl.

The court stenographer recorded: "When he was 17 years old he was convicted in Germany for burglaries and sex crimes."

Serafim Vieira, the Portuguese lawyer who defended him in a Portimao court, said: "He didn't tell the judge it was a paedophile crime and the judge was not obliged to ask for the German police files or investigate it.


"The crime was more than ten years earlier and had no bearing on the theft crime he had just admitted."

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So Amaral lied when he said PJ knew CB was a paedophile in 2007.

I hope our Dave reads this post because he was convinced the German sex offender had admitted he was a paedophile in a Portuguese court and he used this fact [sic] to bash what he perceived to be PJ incompetence. I asked if he had checked the court transcript and I was scoffed at and asked instead to believe as gospel a story in the Daily Fail the source for which was the Portuguese media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 11:10:31 PM
I hope our Dave reads this post because he was convinced the German sex offender had admitted he was a paedophile in a Portuguese court and he used this fact [sic] to bash what he perceived to be PJ incompetence. I asked if he had checked the court transcript and I was scoffed at and asked instead to believe as gospel a story in the Daily Fail the source for which was the Portuguese media.

Well done you.  I hope you feel good about such an inconsequential thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 11:17:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 11:13:39 PM
Well done you.  I hope you feel good about such an inconsequential thing.

I don't believe it is inconsequential when the authorities ignore paedophiles - quite the opposite in fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 10, 2020, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 10:38:35 PM
Oh, I think it is a bit more serious than that.  I wish that Sceptics were just wrong in passing, despite the horrible things that they have said.

Their own Credibility will be the death of their Credibility.  But then we always knew that.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.  They chose to attack The McCanns.  It wasn't forced on them.

Not attack...question.

As to Heri....whatever did happen to the lady in purple ? Or the Portuguese suspects he was so excited about ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 10, 2020, 11:37:06 PM
"RTP also alleges the convicted paedophile has been linked to another missing persons’ case in the Algarve resort of Silves, though no further details have been given. More information is reportedly expected to be revealed later.
"

Is this the case of Joanna?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 10, 2020, 11:40:10 PM
Ah yes the lady in purple.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5113205/Maddie-McCann-Waitress-DENIES-woman-purple.html

And the three suspects....where are they now ?

https://evoke.ie/2016/04/28/news/world/madeline-mccann-was-abducted-by-burglars

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 11:17:38 PM
I don't believe it is inconsequential when the authorities ignore paedophiles - quite the opposite in fact.

I would take that up with The PJ if I was you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 10, 2020, 11:21:43 PM
Not attack...question.

As to Heri....whatever did happen to the lady in purple ? Or the Portuguese suspects he was so excited about ?

Heri is a member of this Forum so please afford him some good manners.  And have the courtesy to take your questions to him personally.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 10, 2020, 11:51:27 PM
According to CdM PJ searched 3 wells in recent weeks but no trace of Madeleine was found.

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/pj-fez-novas-buscas-por-maddie-em-tres-pocos-no-algarve-nas-ultimas-semanas-veja-esta-noite-no-programa-rua-segura-na-cmtv?ref=HP_PrimeirosDestaques
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 10, 2020, 11:53:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 11:03:55 PM
Please God, help me.  I don't know what is going on, so nor can anyone else.

I believe that this man is a serial offender in regard to crimes of Paedophilia.  But this does not mean that he abducted Madeleine, for whatever reason.  But supposing he did then he will not have gone to such risky lengths just to abuse her.  It simply doesn't make sense.

I think that many men have taken risks to satisfy their desires. It must make sense to them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 10, 2020, 11:58:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 10, 2020, 11:53:26 PM
I think that many men have taken risks to satisfy their desires. It must make sense to them.

Sadly so.

Such a scenario in this case would be far more likely than trafficking a 3 year old who was on holiday from the UK.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 11, 2020, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 10, 2020, 11:53:26 PM
I think that many men have taken risks to satisfy their desires. It must make sense to them.

Sorry, I don't get it.  And if he did then he will live to regret it.  And it was always going to catch up with him in the end.

For the moment I can see nothing to implicate him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 12:09:16 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 11:47:34 PM
Heri is a member of this Forum so please afford him some good manners.  And have the courtesy to take your questions to him personally.

No need...answers posted above.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 11, 2020, 12:18:58 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 12:09:16 AM
No need...answers posted above.

That's okay.  I don't think that you and I have ever had a real problem between us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 11, 2020, 12:18:58 AM
That's okay.  I don't think that you and I have ever had a real problem between us.

We haven’t and at one point I even considered adopting you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 11, 2020, 12:43:08 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 10, 2020, 11:37:06 PM
"RTP also alleges the convicted paedophile has been linked to another missing persons’ case in the Algarve resort of Silves, though no further details have been given. More information is reportedly expected to be revealed later.
"

Is this the case of Joanna?

Joana disappeared from Figueira. I do hope they're looking into her case as well. His house (not the PdL one) was only a few kms away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 11, 2020, 12:58:35 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
We haven’t and at one point I even considered adopting you.

Can you handle a pissing Dachshund?  He comes with me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 11, 2020, 01:00:42 AM
Quote from: Carana on July 11, 2020, 12:43:08 AM
Joana disappeared from Figueira. I do hope they're looking into her case as well. His house (not the PdL one) was only a few kms away.

I can hardly bear this.  Trying not to think about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 11, 2020, 04:48:46 AM
Martin B. just about keeping up with Sandra F... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgcMSkvBiPA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgcMSkvBiPA)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 09:26:38 AM
So the portuguese are now searching for maddie's body...yet posters here don't even want to admit there's any chance of Breukner being involved. How long can they stay in denial. How long before Amaral and his team have to admit they got it terribly wrong. The PJ closed the case ...if Breukner is guilty...the PJ let him get away with it as they did with the rape.

Is it time to send in the dogs and see how good they really are?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 09:31:14 AM
Apart from maybe Holly, who is denying his possible involvement ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 09:36:52 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 09:31:14 AM
Apart from maybe Holly, who is denying his possible involvement ?

pathfinder...spam....kissy...good to see you are not
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 09:31:14 AM
Apart from maybe Holly, who is denying his possible involvement ?
From my observations, Pathfinder is convinced Smithman is Gerry, as is BWFC, but certainly the latter seems to think the McCs may have employed CB to help with the body removal, though hasn't explained how they got in touch with him or when.  Kizzy seems convinced he had nothing to do with it either as shes is 100% sure the McCanns dunnit, as is the resident WUM Spammy.  G-Unit steadfastly refuses to express hardly any opinion at all, though she did once say abduction was virtually impossible and hasn't backtracked from that.  Faithlilly seems open to the idea of his involvement, but her agenda has always been more about being judgmental about the McCanns and their supporters, and is now using CB's possible involvement in her twisted way to suggest that McCann supporters want Madeleine to have been raped and murdered.  You don't really care either way, never have done, never will, you just enjoy having a laugh at everyone's expense.
Who else is there, really?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 09:41:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 11, 2020, 09:26:38 AM
So the portuguese are now searching for maddie's body...yet posters here don't even want to admit there's any chance of Breukner being involved. How long can they stay in denial. How long before Amaral and his team have to admit they got it terribly wrong. The PJ closed the case ...if Breukner is guilty...the PJ let him get away with it as they did with the rape.

Is it time to send in the dogs and see how good they really are?


How do you know its Maddies body they are searching for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 09:43:13 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 09:41:41 AM

How do you know its Maddies body they are searching for.

Thats one of your funniest posts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 09:47:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:41:34 AM
From my observations, Pathfinder is convinced Smithman is Gerry, as is BWFC, but certainly the latter seems to think the McCs may have employed CB to help with the body removal, though hasn't explained how they got in touch with him or when.  Kizzy seems convinced he had nothing to do with it either as shes is 100% sure the McCanns dunnit, as is the resident WUM Spammy.  G-Unit steadfastly refuses to express hardly any opinion at all, though she did once say abduction was virtually impossible and hasn't backtracked from that.  Faithlilly seems open to the idea of his involvement, but her agenda has always been more about being judgmental about the McCanns and their supporters, and is now using CB's possible involvement in her twisted way to suggest that McCann supporters want Madeleine to have been raped and murdered.  You don't really care either way, never have done, never will, you just enjoy having a laugh at everyone's expense.
Who else is there, really?

You don't really care either way, never have done, never will, you just enjoy having a laugh at everyone's expense.


Well reverse psychology comes to mind here ...or why else would you even think it.

Sums you up perfectly VS IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 09:48:55 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:41:34 AM
From my observations, Pathfinder is convinced Smithman is Gerry, as is BWFC, but certainly the latter seems to think the McCs may have employed CB to help with the body removal, though hasn't explained how they got in touch with him or when.  Kizzy seems convinced he had nothing to do with it either as shes is 100% sure the McCanns dunnit, as is the resident WUM Spammy.  G-Unit steadfastly refuses to express hardly any opinion at all, though she did once say abduction was virtually impossible and hasn't backtracked from that.  Faithlilly seems open to the idea of his involvement, but her agenda has always been more about being judgmental about the McCanns and their supporters, and is now using CB's possible involvement in her twisted way to suggest that McCann supporters want Madeleine to have been raped and murdered. You don't really care either way, never have done, never will, you just enjoy having a laugh at everyone's expense.
Who else is there, really?

Quite right. I'm interested in the correct person being brought to justice, not who it is.
I don't believe Madeleine was abducted by a stranger, but recognise the possibility.

Do you have the same flexibilty of thought, i.e. that she may not have been abducted ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:49:16 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 09:47:20 AM
You don't really care either way, never have done, never will, you just enjoy having a laugh at everyone's expense.


Well reverse psychology comes to mind here ...or why else would you even think it.

Sums you up perfectly VS IMO
Maybe, but it also sums up Jassi, and I note you didn't take exception to any other part of my post so I guess that was all fair comment. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 09:51:04 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 09:48:55 AM
Quite right. I'm interested in the correct person being brought to justice, not who it is.
I don't believe Madeleine was abducted by a stranger, but recognise the possibility.

What a rational and reasoned post....I agree apart from the fact I see stranger abduction as the most likely
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 09:52:08 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:41:34 AM
From my observations, Pathfinder is convinced Smithman is Gerry, as is BWFC, but certainly the latter seems to think the McCs may have employed CB to help with the body removal, though hasn't explained how they got in touch with him or when.  Kizzy seems convinced he had nothing to do with it either as shes is 100% sure the McCanns dunnit, as is the resident WUM Spammy.  G-Unit steadfastly refuses to express hardly any opinion at all, though she did once say abduction was virtually impossible and hasn't backtracked from that.  Faithlilly seems open to the idea of his involvement, but her agenda has always been more about being judgmental about the McCanns and their supporters, and is now using CB's possible involvement in her twisted way to suggest that McCann supporters want Madeleine to have been raped and murdered.  You don't really care either way, never have done, never will, you just enjoy having a laugh at everyone's expense.
Who else is there, really?

I agree with the PJ, that's all;

believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 09:48:55 AM
Quite right. I'm interested in the correct person being brought to justice, not who it is.
I don't believe Madeleine was abducted by a stranger, but recognise the possibility.

Do you have the same flexibilty of thought, i.e. that she may not have been abducted ?
I think it's highly likely she was abducted.  I very much doubt her parents were involved, but concede there is a remote possibility she left the apartment of her own accord and was taken from outside.  Why do you believe Madeleine died in an accident and her body hidden by her parents?  What's the clinching evidence for you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 09:52:08 AM
I agree with the PJ, that's all;

believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm
You agree with the PJ but have not demonstrated why you disagree with Operation Grange who said they had forensically studied the timeline and concluded that there was a window of opportunity for abduction to have taken place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 09:52:08 AM
I agree with the PJ, that's all;

believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm


Thats not what a lot of others have said....I wonder why the disparity. Ian horrocks who visited PDL said an abductor could have been in and out in two minutes...as did the Barclay team.....ST under Redwood...yes....and SY more recently the same...  the germans..an abductor.

the PJ really didnt have a clue IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 09:41:41 AM

How do you know its Maddies body they are searching for.

It may be connected to this case;

https://www.portugalresident.com/dutchman-found-dead-in-suspected-murder-in-vila-do-bispo/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 09:52:08 AM
I agree with the PJ, that's all;

believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

there is a massive window of opportunity between 9.05 and 9.25
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 09:57:32 AM
It may be connected to this case;

https://www.portugalresident.com/dutchman-found-dead-in-suspected-murder-in-vila-do-bispo/

Im surprised you are in denial too...from CDM...thats a portuguese newsaper

The Judiciary Police (PJ) searched for Madeleine McCann's body in three water wells located in rural areas in the municipality of Vila do Bispo.

The searches, which the CM found out, were carried out in recent weeks and are part of a list of measures developed by the Portuguese police, after the German Christian Brueckner became the main suspect in the disappearance of the English child, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos in 2007.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://www.cmjornal.pt/&prev=search&pto=aue
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
You agree with the PJ but have not demonstrated why you disagree with Operation Grange who said they had forensically studied the timeline and concluded that there was a window of opportunity for abduction to have taken place.

It could be said that OG needed to find a window of opportunity being as their remit was to investigate an abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 11, 2020, 10:01:41 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
You agree with the PJ but have not demonstrated why you disagree with Operation Grange who said they had forensically studied the timeline and concluded that there was a window of opportunity for abduction to have taken place.

Can’t you see the problem with that? Whose timeline have they forensically examined? There isn’t one that is not contradicted by another!! SY must of course know this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
It could be said that OG needed to find a window of opportunity being as their remit was to investigate an abduction.

more denial..imo...it isnt just SY is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 11, 2020, 10:01:41 AM
Can’t you see the problem with that? Whose timeline have they forensically examined? There isn’t one that is not contradicted by another!! SY must of course know this.


There were gaps between the checks..whatever the timing...another one in denial it seems
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 10:22:04 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 09:57:32 AM
It may be connected to this case;

https://www.portugalresident.com/dutchman-found-dead-in-suspected-murder-in-vila-do-bispo/
Why would they be searching wells for a body in that case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 10:23:52 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 11, 2020, 10:01:41 AM
Can’t you see the problem with that? Whose timeline have they forensically examined? There isn’t one that is not contradicted by another!! SY must of course know this.
So what do you reckon - a cover up or are they simply playing the long game to ensnare those wiley ol' McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 11, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 10:22:04 AM
Why would they be searching wells for a body in that case?

Muddying of the waters,they're possible searching for a murder weapon,and some one added 1+1 to make 5 and the press ran with the McCann story cause its the one everybody will link to involving searches in and near to luz, imo.

Nothing to see here,next please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 10:30:46 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 11, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
Muddying of the waters,they're possible searching for a murder weapon,and some one added 1+1 to make 5 and the press ran with the McCann story cause its the one everybody will link to involving searches in and near to luz, imo.

Nothing to see here,next please.

What is the timing for this?

Were the divers in the wells before or after the man's body was found?

Just checked the link ... the report was 21st May.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 10:42:07 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:49:16 AM
Maybe, but it also sums up Jassi, and I note you didn't take exception to any other part of my post so I guess that was all fair comment.


Well, my logic there is others mentioned all have a mind of there own...if they wish to comment.

You were right about me...apart from I am not here for a laugh.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 10:45:27 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 09:49:16 AM
Maybe, but it also sums up Jassi, and I note you didn't take exception to any other part of my post so I guess that was all fair comment.

Quite frankly your comments are of no consequence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 10:30:46 AM
What is the timing for this?

Were the divers in the wells before or after the man's body was found?

Just checked the link ... the report was 21st May.

So
A man from the Netherlands was found dead 2 months ago in Vilo do Bispo ,

That's what the PJ could be investigating there . Nothing to do with Madeleine
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 10:48:36 AM
As wells are being discussed here, I shall, as requested , post here about possible phone pings -

from latest news -

Yes, I meant besides that one.

If her body was deposited there, then further phone logging in the area at that might be expected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 10:53:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 11, 2020, 09:55:59 AM

Thats not what a lot of others have said....I wonder why the disparity. Ian horrocks who visited PDL said an abductorA man from the Netherlands was found dead 2 months ago in Vilo do Bispo , that's what the PJ are investigating there . Nothing to do with Madeleine...as did the Barclay team.....ST under Redwood...yes....and SY more recently the same...  the germans..an abductor.

the PJ really didnt have a clue IMO

That could apply to anyone ....and IMO reason for not leaving any proof of abduction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 10:57:19 AM
The problem with the post 2008 investigations, especially Grange,  is that we know that the investigators didn’t start at the beginning and clear the ground from beneath them. They concluded that the parent’s innocence or guilt had been dealt with by the Portuguese investigation, even though that had ended without, as the SC judged, them being cleared.

Almost ten years on and the situation hasn’t changed. Suspects come and go, and we have yet to see whether there is any concrete evidence against Brueckner, but one thing remains...that OG did not investigate the parents and by that they did them a great disservice for if Brueckner, or anyone else,  is not charged there will be that question mark hanging over their heads forever. Supporters know this and that’s why they are so desperate for Brueckner to be the perpetrator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 10:45:27 AM
Quite frankly your comments are of no consequence.
And quite frankly my dear, neither are yours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 11, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
Muddying of the waters,they're possible searching for a murder weapon,and some one added 1+1 to make 5 and the press ran with the McCann story cause its the one everybody will link to involving searches in and near to luz, imo.

Nothing to see here,next please.
Of course not, wake me up when they're kicking down doors in rothley, won't be long now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 11, 2020, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 11, 2020, 04:48:46 AM
Martin B. just about keeping up with Sandra F... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgcMSkvBiPA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgcMSkvBiPA)

I raised the question nearly a year ago about whether anyone had been hanging around schools:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11007.msg554924#msg554924

Surely PJ, MET and the 4 private detective agencies would have spoken with head teachers and/or the equivalent of PTA associations.  Astonishing that this has only come to light in the last few days if what we're being led to believe is correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 11:18:28 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 11:16:44 AM
And quite frankly my dear, neither are yours.


Fine. Reply not necessary   8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 11:21:13 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 11, 2020, 11:18:20 AM
I raised the question nearly a year ago about whether anyone had been hanging around schools:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11007.msg554924#msg554924

Surely PJ, MET and the 4 private detective agencies would have spoken with head teachers and/or the equivalent of PTA associations.  Astonishing that this has only come to light in the last few days if what we're being led to believe is correct.

I doubt Grange would as it would have involved an awful lot of bureaucracy  seeing as how they had no investigative powers in Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 10:57:19 AM
The problem with the post 2008 investigations, especially Grange,  is that we know that the investigators didn’t start at the beginning and clear the ground from beneath them. They concluded that the parent’s innocence or guilt had been dealt with by the Portuguese investigation, even though that had ended without, as the SC judged, them being cleared.

Almost ten years on and the situation hasn’t changed. Suspects come and go, and we have yet to see whether there is any concrete evidence against Brueckner, but one thing remains...that OG did not investigate the parents and by that they did them a great disservice for if Brueckner, or anyone else,  is not charged there will be that question mark hanging over the parent’s head forever. Supporters know this and that’s why they are so desperate for Brueckner to be the perpetrator.

I disagree...We know that Grange looked at all the  evidence against the parents and decided they were not involved.

I don't see any question mark hanging over the parents and don't think you have any idea how I and other supporters think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 11, 2020, 11:53:01 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 10:57:19 AM
The problem with the post 2008 investigations, especially Grange,  is that we know that the investigators didn’t start at the beginning and clear the ground from beneath them. They concluded that the parent’s innocence or guilt had been dealt with by the Portuguese investigation, even though that had ended without, as the SC judged, them being cleared.

Almost ten years on and the situation hasn’t changed. Suspects come and go, and we have yet to see whether there is any concrete evidence against Brueckner, but one thing remains...that OG did not investigate the parents and by that they did them a great disservice for if Brueckner, or anyone else,  is not charged there will be that question mark hanging over the parent’s head forever. Supporters know this and that’s why they are so desperate for Brueckner to be the perpetrator.

I disagree about stating as an assertion that Op Grange didn't clear the ground under their feet, Faith. That ground could have been quietly cleared without blaring it to the media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 11:54:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 11, 2020, 11:47:27 AM
I disagree...We know that Grange looked at all the  evidence against the parents and decided they were not involved.

I don't see any question mark hanging over the parents and don't think you have any idea how I and other supporters think.

That’s simply not true. Hogan Howe, I think, said that the parent’s guilt had been dealt with by the PJ. There is no evidence that OG even touched this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 11:59:56 AM
Quote from: Carana on July 11, 2020, 11:53:01 AM
I disagree about stating as an assertion that Op Grange didn't clear the ground under their feet, Faith. That ground could have been quietly cleared without blaring it to the media.

According to Hogan Howe OG relied on the PJ’s previous investigation re: the parents. Surely if OG had investigated the parents and ruled them out there would be nothing to lose to sat so ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 11, 2020, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 11:59:56 AM
According to Hogan Howe OG relied on the PJ’s previous investigation re: the parents. Surely if OG had investigated the parents and ruled them out there would be nothing to lose to sat so ?

That doesn't mean that they didn't quietly check out any question marks. Obviously, the would have had to rely to a certain extent on the PJ files, but they also had the PI reports, plus quite possibly OTR briefings from the FLOs and others, background checks....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 11, 2020, 12:33:16 PM
That doesn't mean that they didn't quietly check out any question marks. Obviously, the would have had to rely to a certain extent on the PJ files, but they also had the PI reports, plus quite possibly OTR briefings from the FLOs and others, background checks....

Possibly, likely....the only certainty we have is Hogan Howe’s words and he said that the possible guilt of the parents had been investigated by the PJ and there had been no need to investigate them again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 12:48:26 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 12:45:06 PM
Possibly, likely....the only certainty we have is Hogan Howe’s words and he said that the possible guilt of the parents had been investigated by the PJ and there had been no need to investigate them again.

I think you are being very unkind to that dead horse you keep flogging...Mark Rowley said they had looked at everything.
Time to let go
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 11, 2020, 12:48:26 PM
I think you are being very unkind to that dead horse you keep flogging...Mark Rowley said they had looked at everything.
Time to let go

Thank you for the correction...so it was Mark Rowley not Hogan Howe.

Whoever it was he did the parents a major disservice. 

Brueckner will go the way of the rest of the suspects. They will be no arrest, no charges, no trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 12:56:46 PM
Thank you for the correction...so it was Mark Rowley not Hogan Howe.

Whoever it was he did the parents a major disservice. 

Brueckner will go the way of the rest of the suspects. They will be no arrest, no charges, no trial.

Are you certain of that...or is it just wishful thinking. 0
It may turn out like that...but it may not
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
So
A man from the Netherlands was found dead 2 months ago in Vilo do Bispo ,

That's what the PJ could be investigating there . Nothing to do with Madeleine

I can't see why divers would be put at risk in well shafts for a dead man who was found in his bed with head injuries.

If the Judicial Police are going to that bother I think they must be acting on information received.

That could be from their own enquiries or it could be from the German prosecutor.  Who knows ... it is all speculation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 10:48:36 AM
As wells are being discussed here, I shall, as requested , post here about possible phone pings -

from latest news -

Yes, I meant besides that one.

If her body was deposited there, then further phone logging in the area at that might be expected.

Do you really think that hasn't already been done?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
Do you really think that hasn't already been done?

I wouldn't know, do you ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 11, 2020, 11:18:20 AM
I raised the question nearly a year ago about whether anyone had been hanging around schools:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11007.msg554924#msg554924

Surely PJ, MET and the 4 private detective agencies would have spoken with head teachers and/or the equivalent of PTA associations.  Astonishing that this has only come to light in the last few days if what we're being led to believe is correct.

I doubt very much that either the MET or private investigators would have been able to do so.  Your suggestion is in the jurisdiction of the Judicial Police ~ it is naive to think anyone else could swan up to a Portuguese school and start asking staff questions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 01:36:36 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 01:19:52 PM
I can't see why divers would be put at risk in well shafts for a dead man who was found in his bed with head injuries.

If the Judicial Police are going to that bother I think they must be acting on information received.

That could be from their own enquiries or it could be from the German prosecutor.  Who knows ... it is all speculation.

Divers are at risk all the time....... they don't only look for dead bodies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 11, 2020, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 01:36:36 PM
Divers are at risk all the time....... they don't only look for dead bodies.
So what are they looking for then... a hidden stash of gold moidores to support Portugal's flagging economy?!...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511639/Portuguese-police-launch-search-Madeleine-McCanns-body-Algarve.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511639/Portuguese-police-launch-search-Madeleine-McCanns-body-Algarve.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 01:36:36 PM
Divers are at risk all the time....... they don't only look for dead bodies.

It's in the Portuguese papers too that they are looking for Maddie's body
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 02:13:25 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 11, 2020, 01:49:08 PM
So what are they looking for then... a hidden stash of gold moidores to support Portugal's flagging economy?!...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511639/Portuguese-police-launch-search-Madeleine-McCanns-body-Algarve.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511639/Portuguese-police-launch-search-Madeleine-McCanns-body-Algarve.html)

Do you laugh at your own jokes as well?

It could be anything maybe a weapon any kind of evidence to connect with why they are searching.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 02:13:25 PM
Do you laugh at your own jokes as well?

It could be anything maybe a weapon any kind of evidence to connect with why they are searching.

Denial...the Portuguese press say they are looking for Maddie's body
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2020, 02:18:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 11, 2020, 02:15:48 PM
Denial...the Portuguese press say they are looking for Maddie's body

Yet more damage to the search for Madeleine.  8()(((@#



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 11, 2020, 02:18:44 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 02:13:25 PM
Do you laugh at your own jokes as well?

It could be anything maybe a weapon any kind of evidence to connect with why they are searching.
Glad to see you're coming round at last!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2020, 02:18:03 PM
Yet more damage to the search for Madeleine.  8()(((@#

Looks they may find her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2020, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 11, 2020, 02:22:14 PM
Looks they may find her

Maybe if they searched the rubbish dump they might.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 02:32:43 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 11, 2020, 11:53:01 AM
I disagree about stating as an assertion that Op Grange didn't clear the ground under their feet, Faith. That ground could have been quietly cleared without blaring it to the media.

Absolutely.  Dr Totman was interviewed as were many others ... all without the intrusion of the press which meant that none of us knew a thing about the work being done.
To suggest that the main witnesses weren't re-interviewed (not as suspects but as witnesses) is in my opinion the stuff of nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 02:33:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 11, 2020, 02:15:48 PM
Denial...the Portuguese press say they are looking for Maddie's body


the Portuguese press say


Oh right not the PJ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 02:33:30 PM

the Portuguese press say


Oh right not the PJ

More denial. I would have thought the press would ahve seen it first hand
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 03:25:52 PM
I don't understand what is happening here.
It feels almost like a number of people are in mourning because the new evidence of CBs involvement is being collected.
Not in mourning for Madeleine, not in mourning for her parents but in mourning about themselves for not being able to prove their righteous imagined opinion that lasted for years.

The involvement of the third police force has added some new weight to the whole story and blocked potential "British cover-up" cry wolfing.

Re PJ,  they are like any other police force in the world, they follow orders. All this mess right now, all this sorrow and a bolt out of the blue can be accredited to Goncalo Amaral because he was the one who was in charge.
He should bury his head in the sand in shame.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 11, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
‘’Nicole was Brueckner’s partner in crime,” journalist Sandra Felgueiras told the Olive Press today.  “Next week I’ll have even more explosive revelations.”
From the Olive Press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 11, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
‘’Nicole was Brueckner’s partner in crime,” journalist Sandra Felgueiras told the Olive Press today.  “Next week I’ll have even more explosive revelations.”
From the Olive Press.

I think she is making things up. As usual!  If she was involved, the lady would have been arrested.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 03:37:33 PM
I think she is making things up. As usual!  If she was involved, the lady would have been arrested.

Like cb you mean ? Perhaps the evidence is not sufficient to justify arrest at present.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 11, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
‘’Nicole was Brueckner’s partner in crime,” journalist Sandra Felgueiras told the Olive Press today.  “Next week I’ll have even more explosive revelations.”
From the Olive Press.

That article raises more questions than it answers, Anthro: https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/07/11/in-depth-police-in-portugal-start-searching-wells-in-maddie-mccann-case-as-investigations-intensify/

Felgueiras has definitely got her teeth into this one and is not letting go ... I wonder what else she has to tell us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 04:32:44 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 03:47:16 PM
Like cb you mean ? Perhaps the evidence is not sufficient to justify arrest at present.

No, no. Not like CB, because CB has been accused by a competent police force. The lady in question has been accused by a second-hand journalist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 11, 2020, 04:37:07 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
That article raises more questions than it answers, Anthro: https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/07/11/in-depth-police-in-portugal-start-searching-wells-in-maddie-mccann-case-as-investigations-intensify/

Felgueiras has definitely got her teeth into this one and is not letting go ... I wonder what else she has to tell us.

Like she had into the parents ?

Funny when she was dissecting the parent’s involvement dogs wouldn’t have licked her blood....and now....the epitome of investigative journalism....it’s a strange old world, McCannland.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 04:40:41 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
That article raises more questions than it answers, Anthro: https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/07/11/in-depth-police-in-portugal-start-searching-wells-in-maddie-mccann-case-as-investigations-intensify/

Felgueiras has definitely got her teeth into this one and is not letting go ... I wonder what else she has to tell us.

If she's not careful events may overtake her  and leave her with no scoop.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 04:48:42 PM
Has there been any update on Brueckners parole appeal ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 11, 2020, 11:18:20 AM
I raised the question nearly a year ago about whether anyone had been hanging around schools:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11007.msg554924#msg554924

Surely PJ, MET and the 4 private detective agencies would have spoken with head teachers and/or the equivalent of PTA associations.  Astonishing that this has only come to light in the last few days if what we're being led to believe is correct.
He exposed himself to these children in 2017 in Portugal and it wasn’t in a school playground so why would you expect The Met or The McCanns private detectives to have known about it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 11, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
Three wells down, only another several thousand to go...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513163/Pictured-searched-Portuguese-divers-body-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513163/Pictured-searched-Portuguese-divers-body-Madeleine-McCann.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 05:55:01 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 11, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
Three wells down, only another several thousand to go...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513163/Pictured-searched-Portuguese-divers-body-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513163/Pictured-searched-Portuguese-divers-body-Madeleine-McCann.html)

I was thinking that myself, although presumably they have a relatively small target area, rather than the whole of the district to search.

Of course, even if they don't find her in one of the wells they search, it doesn't mean she's not there, only that they didn't look in the right place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2020, 05:56:21 PM
'Portuguese broadcaster RTP claimed detectives have ‘fundamental evidence’ to be able to prove the 43-year-old German is responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513163/Pictured-searched-Portuguese-divers-body-Madeleine-McCann.html


The Portuguese have Fundamental Evidence.
The Germans have Concrete Evidence, & Brueckner is still sat in solitary without even being interviewed.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2020, 05:56:21 PM
'Portuguese broadcaster RTP claimed detectives have ‘fundamental evidence’ to be able to prove the 43-year-old German is responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513163/Pictured-searched-Portuguese-divers-body-Madeleine-McCann.html


The Portuguese have Fundamental Evidence.
The Germans have Concrete Evidence, & Brueckner is still sat in solitary without even being interviewed.

Meanwhile Grange are left sitting on the fence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 11, 2020, 06:10:07 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 05:55:01 PM
I was thinking that myself, although presumably they have a relatively small target area, rather than the whole of the district to search.

Of course, even if they don't find her in one of the wells they search, it doesn't mean she's not there, only that they didn't look in the right place.
From a photo taken by Brueckner as a grave marker, in the same way that Ian Brady did on Saddleworth Moor?   Or info from people phoning in about seeing his Jag in various locations.  It's anyone's guess which ones the PJ choose to search, but definitely those from intelligence provided by the BKA.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 05:18:40 PM
He exposed himself to these children in 2017 in Portugal and it wasn’t in a school playground so why would you expect The Met or The McCanns private detectives to have known about it?

Allegedly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 06:41:52 PM
Allegedly.
Allegedly what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 06:41:52 PM
Allegedly.

hes a convicted rapist and paedophile...why do you feel the need to defend him. Have you ever referred to Saville as an alleged paedophile
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 11, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
hes a convicted rapist and paedophile...why do you feel the need to defend him. Have you ever referred to Saville as an alleged paedophile

I seem to remember Saville died an innocent man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 06:53:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 11, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
hes a convicted rapist and paedophile...why do you feel the need to defend him. Have you ever referred to Saville as an alleged paedophile
Unless you’ve seen the actual court documents you’re not allowed to call Bruckenr a rapist or paedophile on this forum, or so it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 11, 2020, 06:54:45 PM
More on the three well searches...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-teams-examine-three-wells-in-portugal-for-evidence-in-her-disappearance-12026431 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-teams-examine-three-wells-in-portugal-for-evidence-in-her-disappearance-12026431)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
Allegedly what?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg608622#msg608622
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 07:02:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 06:58:08 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg608622#msg608622
What’s alleged about it? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 07:37:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 11, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
Three wells down, only another several thousand to go...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513163/Pictured-searched-Portuguese-divers-body-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513163/Pictured-searched-Portuguese-divers-body-Madeleine-McCann.html)

I wonder if they can use his phone signals?

Another thing: I notice when the second girl went missing in 2008  the case papers were signed by Paolo Rebelo. How come they did not investigate it thoroughly this time round?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 07:02:28 PM
What’s alleged about it?

The story seems to have been told to the press by a woman. Was it ever reported to the police?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 07:44:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 07:41:31 PM
The story seems to have been told to the press by a woman. Was it ever reported to the police?

Of course it was told to police. He was arrested and deported to Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 07:46:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 07:41:31 PM
The story seems to have been told to the press by a woman. Was it ever reported to the police?
Do your research properly and report back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 07:49:53 PM
Also, if I understood well. he was held by children's parents until the police arrived. So, this cannot be a case of mistaken identity. It was him, the parents caught him, the police arrived, they noticed he was wanted in Germany and they sent him back to Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 07:50:01 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 07:44:50 PM
Of course it was told to police. He was arrested and deported to Germany.


Why was that? Why was he not prosecuted in Portugal ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 07:50:01 PM

Why was that? Why was he not prosecuted in Portugal ?
They couldn’t be arsed and it just adds to their crime stats I exepct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 07:50:01 PM

Why was that? Why was he not prosecuted in Portugal ?

Unfortunately not.  He never served for that crime. I am not sure why and whose decision it was to send him to Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 07:56:05 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 07:53:10 PM
Unfortunately not.  He never served for that crime. I am not sure why and whose decision it was to send him to Germany.

Maybe the evidence wasn't that strong and it was easier to get rid of him, rather than go through the rigmarole of a trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 11, 2020, 07:57:25 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 07:37:59 PM
I wonder if they can use his phone signals?

Another thing: I notice when the second girl went missing in 2008  the case papers were signed by Paolo Rebelo. How come they did not investigate it thoroughly this time round?
Depends on whether his phone was switched off had he been on the way to dispose of a body.  I think it's only possible to say where it was located at the moment before being powered down.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 08:07:47 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 07:44:50 PM
Of course it was told to police. He was arrested and deported to Germany.

I've seen no evidence, have you?



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2020, 07:46:51 PM
Do your research properly and report back.

Me do research? I think that's up to those making claims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 08:07:47 PM
I've seen no evidence, have you?

i've seen the mother live on TV telling exactly what happened
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 08:14:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 08:07:47 PM
I've seen no evidence, have you?

Yes, I have seen it. The paperwork was shown on the Portuguese programme by Sandra F.
He was masturbating near these children, he addressed some of them. One of the girls called her parents. The parents arrived quickly and caught him with his trousers down. He told police he was trying to pee. The police checked his records and found out that he was a wanted man hiding in Portugal. They deported him to Germany.

https://knewz.com/madeleine-mccann-suspect-exposed/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2020, 08:17:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 08:07:47 PM
I've seen no evidence, have you?

more denial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 08:18:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 11, 2020, 08:11:39 PM
i've seen the mother live on TV telling exactly what happened

There are two programmes. One the first one there were several parents, not only this mother.
The document is shown at around 23:20
https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e483071/sexta-as-9
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 11, 2020, 09:54:25 PM
I believe Brückner has multiple personality disorders, including fantasist, opportunist, narcissist. From what I have learnt in Psychology, is that this personality type shows no remorse and tend to regard their victim/s as a ‘treasure’. I believe Brückner left multiple ‘clues’ in many forms and locations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 11, 2020, 09:55:40 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 08:14:55 PM
Yes, I have seen it. The paperwork was shown on the Portuguese programme by Sandra F.
He was masturbating near these children, he addressed some of them. One of the girls called her parents. The parents arrived quickly and caught him with his trousers down. He told police he was trying to pee. The police checked his records and found out that he was a wanted man hiding in Portugal. They deported him to Germany.

https://knewz.com/madeleine-mccann-suspect-exposed/

Eleanor - does this count as discussion on deviant sexual acts? I'm not goading you. I'm genuienly asking about what sort of discussion is off limits?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 11, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 11, 2020, 09:54:25 PM
I believe Brückner has multiple personality disorders, including fantasist, opportunist, narcissist. From what I have learnt in Psychology, is that this personality type shows no remorse and tend to regard their victim/s as a ‘treasure’. I believe Brückner left multiple ‘clues’ in many forms and locations.

Perhaps that is why GA implies in a TVI24 interview that the German Police seem to want to re-examine some of the DNA evidence:

"Gonçalo Amaral says that there is, however, a new data: "there is a new data, the German authorities seem to want to examine all biological traces".

The inspector recalled that "today there are new techniques" of analysis and "it may be possible to reach other conclusions".

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2020, 10:12:08 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 11, 2020, 06:10:07 PM
From a photo taken by Brueckner as a grave marker, in the same way that Ian Brady did on Saddleworth Moor?   Or info from people phoning in about seeing his Jag in various locations.  It's anyone's guess which ones the PJ choose to search, but definitely those from intelligence provided by the BKA.

That does seem to be the case -he likes trophies just by him having childs swimwear on his possession.

"Yes, I have seen it. The paperwork was shown on the Portuguese programme by Sandra F.
He was performing a sexual act near these children, he addressed some of them. One of the girls called her parents. The parents arrived quickly and caught him with his trousers down. He told police he was trying to pee. The police checked his records and found out that he was a wanted man hiding in Portugal. They deported him to Germany. "

Although I believe he probably was performing a sexual act , if the parents didn't actually see him performing a sexual act and the children only saw him with his trousers down- he should have, at the very least,  been arrested for indecent exposure!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 11, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Perhaps that is why GA implies in a TVI24 interview that the German Police seem to want to re-examine some of the DNA evidence:

"Gonçalo Amaral says that there is, however, a new data: "there is a new data, the German authorities seem to want to examine all biological traces".

The inspector recalled that "today there are new techniques" of analysis and "it may be possible to reach other conclusions".

I believe there was an offer to Grange/PJ to use new techniques  of analysis- this was declined
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 11, 2020, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
I believe there was an offer to Grange/PJ to use new techniques  of analysis- this was declined

Surely though this would change in the event of a trial?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2020, 11:15:21 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 11, 2020, 11:03:09 PM
Surely though this would change in the event of a trial?

Well, yes I would hope. perhaps the person or group who offered may get in touch with the German police.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 12, 2020, 03:00:28 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
That article raises more questions than it answers, Anthro: https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/07/11/in-depth-police-in-portugal-start-searching-wells-in-maddie-mccann-case-as-investigations-intensify/

Felgueiras has definitely got her teeth into this one and is not letting go ... I wonder what else she has to tell us.

Ho Ho Ho!

I can't wait to see what Sandra has to say.

I have discovered a few bits about that Childrens' Home in Foral, but I prefer her to reveal things.  Gawd, does Sandra ever know how to bite and interrogate people.  Hope she interviews her favourite man, Amaral.

How gratifying it will be for Kate and Gerry.   Sandra gave them a really rough time, even having them sitting by a noisy air conditioner to distract them it seemed.
…. and then she found that Amaral hadn't presented the facts correctly.  Boy was she ever angry that he had mislead her


A woman of integrity, I would guess.  If the interview happens, there should be some fireworks IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 12, 2020, 03:07:41 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 11, 2020, 06:05:33 PM
Meanwhile Grange are left sitting on the fence.

I am inclined to believe that Op Grange might have something rather large up their sleeve.  Seems that there has been a serious attempt to unfoot them, maybe innocently and maybe not

But I could be wrong.  We shall see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 12, 2020, 08:10:58 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 11, 2020, 07:37:59 PM
I wonder if they can use his phone signals?

Another thing: I notice when the second girl went missing in 2008  the case papers were signed by Paolo Rebelo. How come they did not investigate it thoroughly this time round?

Which girl went missing in 2008?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 12, 2020, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 11, 2020, 07:57:25 PM
Depends on whether his phone was switched off had he been on the way to dispose of a body.  I think it's only possible to say where it was located at the moment before being powered down.

In a fairly recent case in France, one of the (numerous) things the police noticed was that he turned off his phone at various crucial times, and then turned it back on again when he felt he was back in "innocent" territory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 12, 2020, 09:39:31 AM
Quote from: sadie on July 12, 2020, 03:00:28 AM
Ho Ho Ho!

I can't wait to see what Sandra has to say.

I have discovered a few bits about that Childrens' Home in Foral, but I prefer her to reveal things.  Gawd, does Sandra ever know how to bite and interrogate people.  Hope she interviews her favourite man, Amaral.

How gratifying it will be for Kate and Gerry.   Sandra gave them a really rough time, even having them sitting by a noisy air conditioner to distract them it seemed.
…. and then she found that Amaral hadn't presented the facts correctly.  Boy was she ever angry that he had mislead her


A woman of integrity, I would guess.  If the interview happens, there should be some fireworks IMO.

I somehow very much doubt K and G would find anything remotely gratifying in accepting their daughter died at the hands of a sex offender. Even if it demonstrates their criticism of the PJ investigation was valid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 12, 2020, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 12, 2020, 09:39:31 AM
I somehow very much doubt K and G would find anything remotely gratifying in accepting their daughter died at the hands of a sex offender. Even if it demonstrates their criticism of the PJ investigation was valid.

I think they will already have come to terms with it as it always was a highly possible possibility. i think it will also help them find closure and move on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 12, 2020, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 12, 2020, 09:39:31 AM
I somehow very much doubt K and G would find anything remotely gratifying in accepting their daughter died at the hands of a sex offender. Even if it demonstrates their criticism of the PJ investigation was valid.

I think that Sadie was referring to Sandra ripping Amaral a new one.  Although I doubt that Amaral will risk it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 12, 2020, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 12, 2020, 09:43:15 AM
I think they will already have come to terms with it as it always was a highly possible possibility. i think it will also help them find closure and move on.

Yes perhaps - though in public they never entertained the idea that she may be dead. But I do hear what you’re saying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 12, 2020, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 12, 2020, 10:43:50 AM
Yes perhaps - though public they never entertained the idea that she may be dead. But I do hear what you’re saying.

The McCanns have always known that Madeleine could be dead.  And so have I.

I prefer to keep on hoping and so do The McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 12, 2020, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: sadie on July 12, 2020, 03:00:28 AM
Ho Ho Ho!

I can't wait to see what Sandra has to say.

I have discovered a few bits about that Childrens' Home in Foral, but I prefer her to reveal things.  Gawd, does Sandra ever know how to bite and interrogate people.  Hope she interviews her favourite man, Amaral.

How gratifying it will be for Kate and Gerry.   Sandra gave them a really rough time, even having them sitting by a noisy air conditioner to distract them it seemed.
…. and then she found that Amaral hadn't presented the facts correctly.  Boy was she ever angry that he had mislead her


A woman of integrity, I would guess.  If the interview happens, there should be some fireworks IMO.

There are some really interesting facts at this link (another crime forum) relating to the Children's home & other missing girl (later found by CB)
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-10.530896/page-45      onwards
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 12, 2020, 12:14:05 PM
Quote from: misty on July 12, 2020, 11:49:06 AM
There are some really interesting facts at this link (another crime forum) relating to the Children's home & other missing girl (later found by CB)
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-10.530896/page-45      onwards

Indeed, including the post that said  "Vila do Bispo was included in searches on May 7, 2007 where sniffer dogs were also used."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 12, 2020, 12:30:32 PM
Quote from: misty on July 12, 2020, 11:49:06 AM
There are some really interesting facts at this link (another crime forum) relating to the Children's home & other missing girl (later found by CB)
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-10.530896/page-45      onwards
Thanks for sharing, Misty. I see there is mention of Bernhard P, best friend of Brückner who apparently has not come forward yet (?)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 12, 2020, 10:53:43 AM
The McCanns have always known that Madeleine could be dead.  And so have I.

I prefer to keep on hoping and so do The McCanns.
They should liaise with German Police really, if they're so sure.
Never mind HCW stating that he can't reveal his evidence, why not fly over there with Clazza and demand answers? Surely a parent would demand answers? This isn't some daft psychic (although I know Davel puts quite a lot of store in their abilities), this is the top lad in a provincial police force.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 12, 2020, 12:44:44 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:41:39 PM
They should liaise with German Police really, if they're so sure.
Never mind HCW stating that he can't reveal his evidence, why not fly over there with Clazza and demand answers? Surely a parent would demand answers? This isn't some daft psychic (although I know Davel puts quite a lot of store in their abilities), this is the top lad in a provincial police force.

Who knows what the McCanns are doing behind closed doors. And surely they're not going to discuss it publicly, especially when investigations are ongoing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2020, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:41:39 PM
They should liaise with German Police really, if they're so sure.
Never mind HCW stating that he can't reveal his evidence, why not fly over there with Clazza and demand answers? Surely a parent would demand answers? This isn't some daft psychic (although I know Davel puts quite a lot of store in their abilities), this is the top lad in a provincial police force.
Who do you think you are telling the parents of a missing, probably murdered child, what they should and shouldn't be doing?  The arrogant cheek of it!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on July 12, 2020, 12:44:44 PM
Who knows what the McCanns are doing behind closed doors. And surely they're not going to discuss it publicly, especially when investigations are ongoing.
I tell you what, Holmes, your powers seem to know no bounds.
But perhaps the fact that they're still holding out hope she's alive, means that they haven't seen definitive proof that she's dead.
Honestly, I don't know how you do it. You say it's elementary, but I think you employ devilish tricks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:49:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2020, 12:46:29 PM
Who do you think you are telling the parents of a missing, probably murdered child, what they should and shouldn't be doing?  The arrogant cheek of it!
Thanks.
I know, which parents of a missing, probably murdered child, wouldn't want to know, right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:48:07 PM
I tell you what, Holmes, your powers seem to know no bounds.
But perhaps the fact that they're still holding out hope she's alive, means that they haven't seen definitive proof that she's dead.
Honestly, I don't know how you do it. You say it's elementary, but I think you employ devilish tricks.
Have you been in touch with the McCanns today, to check on their hope levels? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
Have you been in touch with the McCanns today, to check on their hope levels?
No, I don't have to, I read the press release like everyone else. Except you apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2020, 12:51:00 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:49:25 PM
Thanks.
I know, which parents of a missing, probably murdered child, wouldn't want to know, right?
I know that they wouldn't want some smart arse anonymous get on the internet telling them what they shouldn't and shouldn't be doing, that's guaranteed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2020, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:50:53 PM
No, I don't have to, I read the press release like everyone else. Except you apparently.
Oh right.  So the papers are a reliable and up to the minute source of information on how the McCanns are feeling and their hope levels wrt to Madeleine.  Thanks for that. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 12, 2020, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:41:39 PM
They should liaise with German Police really, if they're so sure.
Never mind HCW stating that he can't reveal his evidence, why not fly over there with Clazza and demand answers? Surely a parent would demand answers? This isn't some daft psychic (although I know Davel puts quite a lot of store in their abilities), this is the top lad in a provincial police force.

whay a barmy idea....they can pick up a telephone and ask....but if the Germans havent told Sy they are not going to tell the parents
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2020, 12:51:00 PM
I know that they wouldn't want some smart arse anonymous get on the internet telling them what they shouldn't and shouldn't be doing, that's guaranteed.
Don't do it then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2020, 12:52:11 PM
Oh right.  So the papers are a reliable and up to the minute source of information on how the McCanns are feeling and their hope levels wrt to Madeleine.  Thanks for that.
No worries.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2020, 12:54:28 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:52:37 PM
Don't do it then.
I'm not, you're the one telling them what they should and shouldn't be doing, remember? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 12, 2020, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:48:07 PM
I tell you what, Holmes, your powers seem to know no bounds.
But perhaps the fact that they're still holding out hope she's alive, means that they haven't seen definitive proof that she's dead.
Honestly, I don't know how you do it. You say it's elementary, but I think you employ devilish tricks.

On the contrary, General. I have no such powers at all and none of us do. That's why I emphasise that there is no way of knowing what the McCanns are doing, and that whatever they are doing, at this point it's for reasons best known to themselves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 12, 2020, 12:52:30 PM
whay a barmy idea....they can pick up a telephone and ask....but if the Germans havent told Sy they are not going to tell the parents
Someone's got definitive proof your missing child is dead - not really bothered about it. Gotchya.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2020, 12:59:24 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:57:14 PM
Someone's got definitive proof your missing child is dead - not really bothered about it. Gotchya.
Let's have a cite for the McCanns "not being really bothered" about the evidence their child is dead then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on July 12, 2020, 12:56:35 PM
On the contrary, General. I have no such powers at all and none of us do. That's why I emphasise that there is no way of knowing what the McCanns are doing, and that whatever they are doing, at this point it's for reasons best known to themselves.
What would a reasonable person do? Not very 'reasonable', but I'd camp out outside HCW's gaff.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2020, 01:05:38 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 12:59:54 PM
What would a reasonable person do? Not very 'reasonable', but I'd camp out outside HCW's gaff.
What an idiotic suggestion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 12, 2020, 01:07:21 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 12, 2020, 08:10:58 AM
Which girl went missing in 2008?

Her name was revealed in Sandra Felgueiras' last documentary.
Apparently, sometime ( we don't know when) after Madeleine went missing CB lived in the village of Foral where he worked in the only restaurant in there. He was linked to a German lady called Nicole. Nicole had a daughter of her own and also a foster child who was around 15-16 years old and who lived in the separate apartment. Nicole was getting paid by the German government to take care of this girl. There was a mention of other german delinquent children but I am not sure if any other children lived there with this lady Nicole.
One strange thing is that Nicole was in a relationship with a guy called Roman, the landlady suggest that the relationship was abusive and that there were signs of drug use in that villa.
In the meantime, a couple next door claimed CB also had a relationship with this Nicole. Not sure when because the landlady said she kicked out Roman AFTER Nicole has left leaving unpaid rent.
The foster child in question disappeared in summer 2008, she was missing for several days but was found by Nicole's friend CB! and brought back. She later appeared to be pregnant. ( This is what Sandra F revealed, she also revealed the name of the missing child and that Nicole did not want to press charged against the people the girl spent time with)
Sandra F is also promising to reveal the evidence that Nicole was working together with CB. (this is in the next episode next week)
She also revealed the names of the missing girl and the name of the elderly victim who was raped by CB, which was unnecessary and could cause trauma to the victims. She also tried contacting the teenage girl she named who is now an adult.
 https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/

The rest is in Sandra F's link I posted earlier.

Now, we all know what Sandra F did to the McCanns and I personally don't trust her at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 12, 2020, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2020, 01:05:38 PM
What an idiotic suggestion.
Desperate times and all that. Make no mistake, I'd kidnap the fcker, which is even more idiotic.
I'd be like Liam Neeson on crack.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 12, 2020, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 12, 2020, 01:07:21 PM
Her name was revealed in Sandra Felgueiras' last documentary.
Apparently, sometime ( we don't know when) after Madeleine went missing CB lived in the village of Foral where he worked in the only restaurant in there. He was linked to a German lady called Nicole. Nicole had a daughter of her own and also a foster child who was around 15-16 years old and who lived in the separate apartment. Nicole was getting paid by the German government to take care of this girl. There was a mention of other german delinquent children but I am not sure if any other children lived there with this lady Nicole.
One strange thing is that Nicole was in a relationship with a guy called Roman, the landlady suggest that the relationship was abusive and that there were signs of drug use in that villa.
In the meantime, a couple next door claimed CB also had a relationship with this Nicole. Not sure when because she said she kicked out Roman AFTER Nicole has left leaving unpaid rent.
The foster child in question disappeared in summer 2008, she was missing for several days but was found by Nicole's friend CB! and brought back. She later appeared to be pregnant. ( This is what Sandra F revealed, she also revealed the name of the missing child and that Nicole did not want to press charged against the people the girl spent time with)
Sandra F is also promising to reveal the evidence that Nicole was working together with CB. (this is in the next episode next week)
She also revealed the names of the missing girl and the name of the elderly victim who was raped by CB, which was unnecessary and could cause trauma to the victims. She also tried contacting the teenage girl she named who is now an adult.
 https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/

The rest is in Sandra F's link I posted earlier.

Now, we all know what Sandra F did to the McCanns and I personally don't trust her at all.
She's a mouth on a stick who's looks are waning. This is her Golden Egg Duck Goose Laying Egg Gold Geese Duck Egg. Gold.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2020, 01:29:53 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 01:07:50 PM
Desperate times and all that. Make no mistake, I'd kidnap the fcker, which is even more idiotic.
I'd be like Liam Neeson on crack.
Yeah sure. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2020, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 01:10:30 PM
She's a mouth on a stick who's looks are waning. This is her Golden Egg Duck Goose Laying Egg Gold Geese Duck Egg. Gold.
Such misogyny, but then you do have a track record for that on here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 12, 2020, 03:00:00 PM
A short note by way of clarification.

A reference was made previously to Brueckner 'masturbating' in front of young children. Given that this was why he was arrested according to the article below, I will allow the original to stand. (Excuse the pun)

The German Christian Brueckner, 43, was arrested in 2017 in Portugal for committing a sex act — masturbation — in front of four youngsters on the playground that day.

https://knewz.com/madeleine-mccann-suspect-exposed/

Also...

Speaking about the prosecution decision, the father of the girl who witnessed Bruekcner added: “I feel a little let down by the justice system.

“All the children said he was masturbating himself. There was no doubt among them. They all saw the same."

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-nightmare-cops-22341687
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 12, 2020, 03:10:50 PM
Quote from: The General on July 12, 2020, 01:10:30 PM
She's a mouth on a stick who's looks are waning. This is her Golden Egg Duck Goose Laying Egg Gold Geese Duck Egg. Gold.

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 12, 2020, 03:13:51 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
That article raises more questions than it answers, Anthro: https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/07/11/in-depth-police-in-portugal-start-searching-wells-in-maddie-mccann-case-as-investigations-intensify/

Felgueiras has definitely got her teeth into this one and is not letting go ... I wonder what else she has to tell us.

Look like we're back to searching wells again.  Didn't the Portuguese Police do all that 13 years ago?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 12, 2020, 03:17:58 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 12, 2020, 03:13:51 PM
Look like we're back to searching wells again.  Didn't the Portuguese Police do all that 13 years ago?

I don't thinks so.  Have you got a Cite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 12, 2020, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 12, 2020, 03:17:58 PM
I don't thinks so.  Have you got a Cite.
According to Wiki.....
Geography

The beach of Castelejo, including the long expanse of sand and typical coastal shrubbery

The western beach of Cordoama with its wide sandy coast
Situated in the extreme southwest corner of Portugal (and also continental Europe), the municipality of Vila do Bispo is located within the Barlavento Algarvio, the southwestern Algarvean coast, surrounded on its southern and western frontiers by the Atlantic Ocean.[11] Part of Faro District, the municipality is bordered in the north by Aljezur (linked by the Estrada Nacional EN120 and Estrada Regional ER268), and to the east by Lagos (across the Estrada Nacional EN125).

Due to its geographical location, it is the only municipality in the country with a western and southern coastline.[12] The southern coast, which extends until Cape St. Vincent, includes several bays and sheltered coves, including: the beaches of Praia do Burgau, Cabanas Velhas, Boca do Rio, Praia da Salema, Figueira, Furnas, Zavial, Ingrina, Barranco, Martinhal, Mareta, Tonel and Beliche.[12] Meanwhile, to the west of the St. Vincent coast are the beaches of Telheiro, Ponta Ruiva, Castelejo, Cordoama, Barriga and Murração, that include many carved cliffs and rocky promontories.[12]

Human geography
Administratively, the municipality is divided into 4 civil parishes (freguesias):[13]

Barão de São Miguel
Budens
Sagres
Vila do Bispo e Raposeira
In addition, there are several urban agglomerations (villages) that dot the landscape of the municipality in addition to the urban seats of the civil parishes, including:

Burgau
Salema
Vale de Boi
Budens

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PJ did search a well at Casa do Poco, Vila do Bispo which is near Sally Eveleigh's guest house in Burgau.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P7/07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1779.jpg
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 12, 2020, 04:42:09 PM
Brueckner's campervan was photographed on Barranco Beach almost due south of Vila do Bispo, hence the well searches in that locality...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Barranco+Beach/@37.0687012,-8.9118747,8021m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0xd1b492582f42f2b:0x5f2bef0077e271f7!2sVila+do+Bispo,+Portugal!3b1!8m2!3d37.0829726!4d-8.9091832!3m4!1s0xd1b4bdbca2227e3:0x9e3d1e8b60d2cede!8m2!3d37.0422899!4d-8.8945082 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Barranco+Beach/@37.0687012,-8.9118747,8021m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0xd1b492582f42f2b:0x5f2bef0077e271f7!2sVila+do+Bispo,+Portugal!3b1!8m2!3d37.0829726!4d-8.9091832!3m4!1s0xd1b4bdbca2227e3:0x9e3d1e8b60d2cede!8m2!3d37.0422899!4d-8.8945082)

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Barranco+Beach/@37.0422891,-8.8945072,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOxcr-ZKhNL6MtwVHgpAQMeqR242WYxpm9yneuT!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOxcr-ZKhNL6MtwVHgpAQMeqR242WYxpm9yneuT%3Dw152-h86-k-no!7i4608!8i2592!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0xd1b492582f42f2b:0x5f2bef0077e271f7!2sVila+do+Bispo,+Portugal!3b1!8m2!3d37.0829726!4d-8.9091832!3m4!1s0xd1b4bdbca2227e3:0x9e3d1e8b60d2cede!8m2!3d37.0422899!4d-8.8945082 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Barranco+Beach/@37.0422891,-8.8945072,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOxcr-ZKhNL6MtwVHgpAQMeqR242WYxpm9yneuT!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOxcr-ZKhNL6MtwVHgpAQMeqR242WYxpm9yneuT%3Dw152-h86-k-no!7i4608!8i2592!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0xd1b492582f42f2b:0x5f2bef0077e271f7!2sVila+do+Bispo,+Portugal!3b1!8m2!3d37.0829726!4d-8.9091832!3m4!1s0xd1b4bdbca2227e3:0x9e3d1e8b60d2cede!8m2!3d37.0422899!4d-8.8945082)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 12, 2020, 04:45:51 PM
Sandra F. getting stuck in...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12099214/reporter-who-broke-story-on-new-madeleine-mccann-search-believes-christian-b-had-an-accomplice/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12099214/reporter-who-broke-story-on-new-madeleine-mccann-search-believes-christian-b-had-an-accomplice/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 12, 2020, 04:47:48 PM
I'm sure he visited all sorts of places in his van. Why would police pick this particular place ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 12, 2020, 04:57:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 12, 2020, 04:47:48 PM
I'm sure he visited all sorts of places in his van. Why would police pick this particular place ?
Other unpublished photos near to the wells, tip-offs from the public who recall seeing it there... anyone's guess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 12, 2020, 05:59:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 12, 2020, 04:47:48 PM
I'm sure he visited all sorts of places in his van. Why would police pick this particular place ?
According to this report by Martin Brunt, another beach (Praia da Boca do Rio) which Brueckner liked to visit in his campervan is not the one in the widely-published Barranco Beach photo (as attached above), which has a different cliff terrain/topography...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-teams-examine-three-wells-in-portugal-for-evidence-in-her-disappearance-12026431 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-teams-examine-three-wells-in-portugal-for-evidence-in-her-disappearance-12026431)

It's along the long narrow stretch of road leading from Budens to this Boca do Rio beach where these three searched wells are located...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Budens,+Portugal/@37.0544556,-8.8184302,2037a,35y,44.37t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b3624261eedb1:0xf9d6ee49aef249a3!8m2!3d37.087237!4d-8.830734 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Budens,+Portugal/@37.0549295,-8.8140148,2074a,35y,44.37t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b3624261eedb1:0xf9d6ee49aef249a3!8m2!3d37.087237!4d-8.830734)

You can follow the road starting from one of those disused wells (on the right) down to the beach by clicking quite a few times on the road arrows...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0802186,-8.8199375,3a,56.4y,130.32h,96.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssLZF4iHsJalvolR0-6mYzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0802186,-8.8199375,3a,56.4y,130.32h,96.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssLZF4iHsJalvolR0-6mYzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 12, 2020, 06:07:23 PM
From the Sky story linked above.

"German and British police involved in the search for Madeleine have received nearly 2,000 bits of information since launching appeals for public help five weeks ago.

A source said: "There are lots of leads being followed up, most of which will be of no use."

And isn't that the underlying trend of this saga. Trying to tease out a grain of truth from all the dross.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2020, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 12, 2020, 06:07:23 PM
From the Sky story linked above.

"German and British police involved in the search for Madeleine have received nearly 2,000 bits of information since launching appeals for public help five weeks ago.

A source said: "There are lots of leads being followed up, most of which will be of no use."

And isn't that the underlying trend of this saga. Trying to tease out a grain of truth from all the dross.
It’s no different to any case that makes a public appeal for information. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 12, 2020, 06:54:09 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 12, 2020, 01:07:21 PM
Her name was revealed in Sandra Felgueiras' last documentary.
Apparently, sometime ( we don't know when) after Madeleine went missing CB lived in the village of Foral where he worked in the only restaurant in there. He was linked to a German lady called Nicole. Nicole had a daughter of her own and also a foster child who was around 15-16 years old and who lived in the separate apartment. Nicole was getting paid by the German government to take care of this girl. There was a mention of other german delinquent children but I am not sure if any other children lived there with this lady Nicole.
One strange thing is that Nicole was in a relationship with a guy called Roman, the landlady suggest that the relationship was abusive and that there were signs of drug use in that villa.
In the meantime, a couple next door claimed CB also had a relationship with this Nicole. Not sure when because the landlady said she kicked out Roman AFTER Nicole has left leaving unpaid rent.
The foster child in question disappeared in summer 2008, she was missing for several days but was found by Nicole's friend CB! and brought back. She later appeared to be pregnant. ( This is what Sandra F revealed, she also revealed the name of the missing child and that Nicole did not want to press charged against the people the girl spent time with)
Sandra F is also promising to reveal the evidence that Nicole was working together with CB. (this is in the next episode next week)
She also revealed the names of the missing girl and the name of the elderly victim who was raped by CB, which was unnecessary and could cause trauma to the victims. She also tried contacting the teenage girl she named who is now an adult.
 https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/

The rest is in Sandra F's link I posted earlier.

Now, we all know what Sandra F did to the McCanns and I personally don't trust her at all.

Thanks Vixte. Presumably the girl's ok.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 13, 2020, 08:45:34 AM
Well, well, well!... yet more wells to be searched...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8515793/Portuguese-police-search-TWENTY-wells-body-missing-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8515793/Portuguese-police-search-TWENTY-wells-body-missing-Madeleine-McCann.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 13, 2020, 09:49:43 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 12, 2020, 04:47:48 PM
I'm sure he visited all sorts of places in his van. Why would police pick this particular place ?

Near to wells?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 13, 2020, 09:59:39 AM
I'm sure many places are close to wells.
Of course, if police are correct, then her body will turn up pretty soon.

Then the trick will be to tie her death to a particular person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 13, 2020, 10:11:37 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 13, 2020, 09:59:39 AM
I'm sure many places are close to wells.
Of course, if police are correct, then her body will turn up pretty soon.

Then the trick will be to tie her death to a particular person.

I agree but that will be far easier to do if they have a body
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 13, 2020, 10:15:44 AM

There are six wells within less than half a minutes walking distance of my house.  And that's just the ones I know about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 13, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 13, 2020, 10:15:44 AM
There are six wells within less than half a minutes walking distance of my house.  And that's just the ones I know about.
You could have borrowed Bamber's wet suit to explore, but Auntie Aggy already gave it to Sue Ryder.... shucks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 13, 2020, 11:04:10 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 13, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
You could have borrowed Bamber's wet suit to explore, but Auntie Aggy already gave it to Sue Ryder.... shucks.

Too many Germans down there, according to local rumour.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 14, 2020, 07:39:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 13, 2020, 10:11:37 AM
I agree but that will be far easier to do if they have a body
They could ask Martin Grime to come back with a couple of dogs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 14, 2020, 07:43:00 AM
Quote from: The General on July 14, 2020, 07:39:50 AM
They could ask Martin Grime to come back with a couple of dogs.

Is he still in business...when was the last time he worked
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 14, 2020, 08:22:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 14, 2020, 07:43:00 AM
Is he still in business...when was the last time he worked

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/martin-grime-9724a78

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 14, 2020, 08:24:04 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 14, 2020, 08:22:36 AM
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/martin-grime-9724a78

so when was the last time he worked
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 14, 2020, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 14, 2020, 08:24:04 AM
so when was the last time he worked
Message him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 14, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
IMO two things can be read into the latest,the Germans don't think that their suspect dumped a body in the well's,and the PJ have received some info regarding the well's.


Mr Wolters said: 'I read about it, but the measures were not taken in consultation with us. 

'The Portuguese police are investigating themselves. We don’t know what knowledge they are based on.'

Mr Wolters told news outlets in Germany that he believes the Portuguese police have been startled by the renewed global attention  and may have had new information.

The ubiquitous unnamed is always to the fore, inferring the PJ are linking it to the German, when of course they have said no such thing.

It comes after an unnamed source told The Sun that Portuguese police are to search more than a dozen other wells after searching three on Thursday.

The source said: 'Those well searches are unlikely to be the last.

'They were the most obvious, close to Boca do Rio beach where Christian B stayed and next to the road.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8519779/German-prosecutors-leading-probe-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-not-told-searches.html


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 14, 2020, 09:19:37 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 14, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
IMO two things can be read into the latest,the Germans don't think that their suspect dumped a body in the well's,and the PJ have received some info regarding the well's.


Mr Wolters said: 'I read about it, but the measures were not taken in consultation with us. 

'The Portuguese police are investigating themselves. We don’t know what knowledge they are based on.'

Mr Wolters told news outlets in Germany that he believes the Portuguese police have been startled by the renewed global attention  and may have had new information.

The ubiquitous unnamed is always to the fore, inferring the PJ are linking it to the German, when of course they have said no such thing.

It comes after an unnamed source told The Sun that Portuguese police are to search more than a dozen other wells after searching three on Thursday.

The source said: 'Those well searches are unlikely to be the last.

'They were the most obvious, close to Boca do Rio beach where Christian B stayed and next to the road.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8519779/German-prosecutors-leading-probe-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-not-told-searches.html

" The source said: 'Those well searches are unlikely to be the last. "

Obviously little expectation of an early result
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 14, 2020, 12:55:29 PM
What would happen if the PJ find the body? Legally, I mean. Could they request CBs extradition to Portugal?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 14, 2020, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 14, 2020, 12:55:29 PM
What would happen if the PJ find the body? Legally, I mean. Could they request CBs extradition to Portugal?

I think the Germans have made it clear they would want to prosecute him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 14, 2020, 01:22:49 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 14, 2020, 12:55:29 PM
What would happen if the PJ find the body? Legally, I mean. Could they request CBs extradition to Portugal?

The PJ don't want to know.  But they probably could.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 14, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 14, 2020, 12:55:29 PM
What would happen if the PJ find the body? Legally, I mean. Could they request CBs extradition to Portugal?

First they'd have to prove a link between Brueckner and the body so that he could be charged
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 14, 2020, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 14, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
First they'd have to prove a link between Brueckner and the body so that he could be charged
It's for a court to prove a link, they would only have to provide a compelling case for pressing charges.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 14, 2020, 01:42:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 14, 2020, 01:35:54 PM
It's for a court to prove a link, they would only have to provide a compelling case for pressing charges.

OK they'd have to demonstrate a link, otherwise it would never get to court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 14, 2020, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 14, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
First they'd have to prove a link between Brueckner and the body so that he could be charged

If they could prove Brueckner was at the site where the body was found that would be enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 14, 2020, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 14, 2020, 01:56:13 PM
If they could prove Brueckner was at the site where the body was found that would be enough.

I don't think so, as he could have visited at a totally  different time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 14, 2020, 02:03:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 14, 2020, 01:58:36 PM
I don't think so, as he could have visited at a totally  different time.
They're going to have a tough job pinning this on Gerry then!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 14, 2020, 02:09:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 14, 2020, 02:03:20 PM
They're going to have a tough job pinning this on Gerry then!

Now there's a Fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 14, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 14, 2020, 02:03:20 PM
They're going to have a tough job pinning this on Gerry then!
So, hen, which is it, 2007 phone pings triangulate down to sat in the bin cupboard of 5a for CB, or 'somewhere in Portugal' when doing a quick detour of 'the boondocks', to use your vernacular (love that film by the way).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 14, 2020, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: The General on July 14, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
So, hen, which is it, 2007 phone pings triangulate down to sat in the bin cupboard of 5a for CB, or 'somewhere in Portugal' when doing a quick detour of 'the boondocks', to use your vernacular (love that film by the way).

Yep! What's sauce for the gander is.....sauce for the other gander.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 14, 2020, 05:16:06 PM
Quote from: The General on July 14, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
So, hen, which is it, 2007 phone pings triangulate down to sat in the bin cupboard of 5a for CB, or 'somewhere in Portugal' when doing a quick detour of 'the boondocks', to use your vernacular (love that film by the way).
I wish I knew what you were trying to say and why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 14, 2020, 06:42:10 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8521865/Madeleine-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-set-learn-Thursday-hell-freed-jail.html
It seems the searches re. wells have actually taken place and are in progress.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 14, 2020, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 14, 2020, 06:42:10 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8521865/Madeleine-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-set-learn-Thursday-hell-freed-jail.html
It seems the searches re. wells have actually taken place and are in progress.

They will search up to 20 more in the coming days, despite German prosecutors having no knowledge of it

Its nowt to do with the Germans what the PJ do in their own country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 14, 2020, 06:51:32 PM
I’ve just figured put what they’re looking for - it’s Amaral’s ace which he misplaced in 2008.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 14, 2020, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 14, 2020, 06:42:10 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8521865/Madeleine-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-set-learn-Thursday-hell-freed-jail.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8521865/Madeleine-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-set-learn-Thursday-hell-freed-jail.html)
It seems the searches re. wells have actually taken place and are in progress.
Of course, and they're to do with Madeleine McCann and no-one else...

https://expresso.pt/sociedade/2020-07-11-Autoridades-procuram-corpo-de-Maddie-em-tres-pocos (https://expresso.pt/sociedade/2020-07-11-Autoridades-procuram-corpo-de-Maddie-em-tres-pocos)

Translated...

Mário Lucas was going to feed a cat he has on a plot of land between Budens and Boca do Rio beach, in the municipality of Vila do Bispo, last Thursday morning, when he saw the men near the wells. “There were about 10, between GNR and firefighters and I saw one who was wearing a diving suit”, says Mário, who was surprised by the situation: “I still approached to try to understand what was going on, but they sent me away.” In fact, it involved searches for the body of Madeleine McCann, related to Christian Bruckner, the German appointed by the German authorities as the main suspect in the disappearance of the English girl, in 2007, from Praia da Luz.

The authorities spent the morning inspecting three wells in the area, separated by about 100 meters. Wells that were originally used to irrigate agricultural plantations but have not been used "for more than 20 years", says Mário Lucas. Many residues were removed from the wells, which accumulated over the years, but nothing relevant was found to help solve the disappearance of the English girl. The wells are located along the road that leads to Boa do Rio beach, a beach that is known to be frequented by foreigners, who travel in motorhomes, just as Bruckner did in 2007, when he used a Volkswagen Westfalia van, where he even slept .

The searches come in the context of investigations related precisely to the suspicions surrounding Christian Bruckner, after the German authorities revealed, about a month ago, that they have indications that point him as the author of the abduction and, possibly, of the murder of Maddie . Hans Christian Wolters, the prosecutor in charge of the case in Germany, said he had evidence that the child was dead but, so far, that evidence remains to be revealed. People who might have information related to the suspect have also been questioned in Portugal.

Bruckner, who moved to Praia da Luz in 1995, has crimes of abuse of minors (and thefts) in his registry and was convicted in Germany of raping an elderly woman in the Algarve in 2005. In 2007, when Madeleine disappeared, the German was in Praia da Luz and the records of cell phone antennas show that he received a call shortly before the disappearance and another, longer one, afterwards. In 2016, German authorities found, hidden on a plot in Germany, a set of USB pens where the suspect had thousands of pedophile images.

The German's lawyer, who is in prison in Germany for drug trafficking, has already made it public that Bruckner will not make any statements or provide information about Maddie's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 15, 2020, 08:22:42 AM
Cautionary tales this morning,caveat its the brit press, mind  saying that it doesn't appear that they have anything of substance,love the headline, how its a betrayal who know's.

MADDIE BETRAYAL Madeleine McCann’s parents’ heartache as German cops prepare to drop investigation

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12124392/madeleine-mccann-german-cops-drop-investigation/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8523449/German-prosecutors-preparing-end-probe-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 08:36:08 AM
How are the mcs going to face fresh heartache ...it obviously like we thought from the beginning it wasn't him.


   14 Jul 2020, 21:30Updated: 14 Jul 2020, 21:03

MADELEINE McCann’s parents face fresh heartache as police in Germany prepare to end their investigation into her disappearance.

It comes amid fears prime suspect Christian B could be out of jail in days.

German police are convinced the paedophile snatched Madeleine then killed her and say they will decide whether to charge him “within months”.

But lead prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said his team would not continue their inquiries indefinitely.

Lawyers for Christian B, 43, will be at the European Court of Justice on Thursday to appeal his seven-year jail term for raping a pensioner in Praia da Luz in 2005.

Madeleine, then three, was abducted from her family’s holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort in 2007 while parents Kate and Gerry ate a meal nearby.

Mr Wolters said: “Of course we have an interest in keeping our suspect in custody.

“This gives us access to interrogations in the event of an indictment.

“We have no endeavors to drag this out unnecessarily. We’ll draw a line at some point and see.”

Portuguese police have been searching old wells around nearby Budens for the body of Madeleine. But they have not told British or German cops what prompted the operation.

Christian B, who we reported once boasted of snatching Madeleine, is serving time in a German jail for drugs.

If his rape appeal is successful he will be freed.

A source said: “What we fear is liberal judges will release him and we will lose him . . . which would threaten the case enormously.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12124392/madeleine-mccann-german-cops-drop-investigation/
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 15, 2020, 08:41:12 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 08:36:08 AM
How are the mcs going to face fresh heartache ...it obviously like we thought from the beginning it wasn't him.


   14 Jul 2020, 21:30Updated: 14 Jul 2020, 21:03

MADELEINE McCann’s parents face fresh heartache as police in Germany prepare to end their investigation into her disappearance.

It comes amid fears prime suspect Christian B could be out of jail in days.

German police are convinced the paedophile snatched Madeleine then killed her and say they will decide whether to charge him “within months”.

But lead prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said his team would not continue their inquiries indefinitely.

Lawyers for Christian B, 43, will be at the European Court of Justice on Thursday to appeal his seven-year jail term for raping a pensioner in Praia da Luz in 2005.

Madeleine, then three, was abducted from her family’s holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort in 2007 while parents Kate and Gerry ate a meal nearby.

Mr Wolters said: “Of course we have an interest in keeping our suspect in custody.

“This gives us access to interrogations in the event of an indictment.

“We have no endeavors to drag this out unnecessarily. We’ll draw a line at some point and see.”

Portuguese police have been searching old wells around nearby Budens for the body of Madeleine. But they have not told British or German cops what prompted the operation.

Christian B, who we reported once boasted of snatching Madeleine, is serving time in a German jail for drugs.

If his rape appeal is successful he will be freed.

A source said: “What we fear is liberal judges will release him and we will lose him . . . which would threaten the case enormously.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12124392/madeleine-mccann-german-cops-drop-investigation/
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Its all about legality, not their views. How will releasing him threaten any case, there's evidence or there's not, which seems the most likely, not so concrete after all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 08:45:44 AM
I have always believed the moral of this story was more to keep CB in prison they were never interested in Maddie.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 08:51:01 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 08:36:08 AM
How are the mcs going to face fresh heartache ...it obviously like we thought from the beginning it wasn't him.


   14 Jul 2020, 21:30Updated: 14 Jul 2020, 21:03

MADELEINE McCann’s parents face fresh heartache as police in Germany prepare to end their investigation into her disappearance.

It comes amid fears prime suspect Christian B could be out of jail in days.

German police are convinced the paedophile snatched Madeleine then killed her and say they will decide whether to charge him “within months”.

But lead prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said his team would not continue their inquiries indefinitely.

Lawyers for Christian B, 43, will be at the European Court of Justice on Thursday to appeal his seven-year jail term for raping a pensioner in Praia da Luz in 2005.

Madeleine, then three, was abducted from her family’s holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort in 2007 while parents Kate and Gerry ate a meal nearby.

Mr Wolters said: “Of course we have an interest in keeping our suspect in custody.

“This gives us access to interrogations in the event of an indictment.

“We have no endeavors to drag this out unnecessarily. We’ll draw a line at some point and see.”

Portuguese police have been searching old wells around nearby Budens for the body of Madeleine. But they have not told British or German cops what prompted the operation.

Christian B, who we reported once boasted of snatching Madeleine, is serving time in a German jail for drugs.

If his rape appeal is successful he will be freed.

A source said: “What we fear is liberal judges will release him and we will lose him . . . which would threaten the case enormously.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12124392/madeleine-mccann-german-cops-drop-investigation/
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"... like we thought from the beginning ... "  I don't know who the "we" is to whom you refer but there is a majority who would prefer to see Brueckner fully investigated within the law to rule him in or out of what happened to Madeleine.
When we know whether or not he will remain in a German jail for the time being will be time enough for his supporters to crow or otherwise.  I must say I am intrigued by the unswerving support of the rights which by law must be afforded to Brueckner by some who have spent much of their lives for the past thirteen years vigorously denying the same presumptions to the victims of a horrendous crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 15, 2020, 08:41:12 AM
Its all about legality, not their views. How will releasing him threaten any case, there's evidence or there's not, which seems the most likely, not so concrete after all.

I don't think judges who uphold the law are 'liberal'. Upholding the law is their job. The German police seem to think the end justifies the means, but that's a slippery slope to be on imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 15, 2020, 09:07:30 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 08:51:01 AM
"... like we thought from the beginning ... "  I don't know who the "we" is to whom you refer but there is a majority who would prefer to see Brueckner fully investigated within the law to rule him in or out of what happened to Madeleine.
When we know whether or not he will remain in a German jail for the time being will be time enough for his supporters to crow or otherwise.  I must say I am intrigued by the unswerving support of the rights which by law must be afforded to Brueckner by some who have spent much of their lives for the past thirteen years vigorously denying the same presumptions to the victims of a horrendous crime.

Lets be clear about this he's a nonce,a rapist and by all accounts a right vagabond,how does that make him an alleged abductor who it appears in some quarters to be the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.There is either evidence or there is not,  I'd venture it is becoming even more tenuous with the passage of time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 09:08:42 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 08:51:01 AM
"... like we thought from the beginning ... "  I don't know who the "we" is to whom you refer but there is a majority who would prefer to see Brueckner fully investigated within the law to rule him in or out of what happened to Madeleine.
When we know whether or not he will remain in a German jail for the time being will be time enough for his supporters to crow or otherwise.  I must say I am intrigued by the unswerving support of the rights which by law must be afforded to Brueckner by some who have spent much of their lives for the past thirteen years vigorously denying the same presumptions to the victims of a horrendous crime.


So in your opinion will anyone do as long as it isn't the mccs ...because that's how it seems to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 15, 2020, 09:12:01 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 15, 2020, 09:07:30 AM
Lets be clear about this he's a nonce,a rapist and by all accounts a right vagabond,how does that make him an alleged abductor who it appears in some quarters to be the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.There is either evidence or there is not,  I'd venture it is becoming even more tenuous with the passage of time.
Is that how you saw it when the McCanns were suspects?  Did you think there was evidence or not in their case? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 08:51:01 AM
"... like we thought from the beginning ... "  I don't know who the "we" is to whom you refer but there is a majority who would prefer to see Brueckner fully investigated within the law to rule him in or out of what happened to Madeleine.
When we know whether or not he will remain in a German jail for the time being will be time enough for his supporters to crow or otherwise.  I must say I am intrigued by the unswerving support of the rights which by law must be afforded to Brueckner by some who have spent much of their lives for the past thirteen years vigorously denying the same presumptions to the victims of a horrendous crime.

"Within the law" is the significant phrase. I've seen no members here suggesting that anyone should be denied their legal rights.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 15, 2020, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 09:08:42 AM

So in your opinion will anyone do as long as it isn't the mccs ...because that's how it seems to me.
In my opinion the only person who will "do" is the person or people who did it.  If there are strong grounds for suspecting CB and he is able to evade justice either on a technicality or because the evidence (strong as it may seem) is only circumstantial then that will be heartbreaking for the McCanns and for Madeleine.  You may think you know the complete set of evidence against this man but I don't think you do.  Why would the police have laid out every piece of evidence they have against him for the public (and CB and his defence team) to pore over, before charges had been laid?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 09:18:02 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 15, 2020, 09:12:01 AM
Is that how you saw it when the McCanns were suspects?  Did you think there was evidence or not in their case?

According to the Portuguese Supreme Court there was insufficient evidence in September 2007 to charge the McCanns, just as there seems to be insufficient evidence just now to charge Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 09:18:02 AM
According to the Portuguese Supreme Court there was insufficient evidence in September 2007 to charge the McCanns, just as there seems to be insufficient evidence just now to charge Brueckner.

Such a suggestion is total nonsense and shows irrational thinking..imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 09:27:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 15, 2020, 09:07:30 AM
Lets be clear about this he's a nonce,a rapist and by all accounts a right vagabond,how does that make him an alleged abductor who it appears in some quarters to be the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.There is either evidence or there is not,  I'd venture it is becoming even more tenuous with the passage of time.

He is a person who is entitled to certain legal rights under the law.  Exactly as you are.  Exactly as I am.

Unfortunately there is a small but hyper active rump of vociferous agitators who have denied those lawful rights to the McCanns and all associated with them.

I can see the dichotomy ... they simply are unable to and I think they are producing some interesting observation on social media.  Unfortunately, not about Brueckner, not about Madeleine's case ... but about themselves ... and it is most unedifying to behold.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 09:31:05 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
"Within the law" is the significant phrase. I've seen no members here suggesting that anyone should be denied their legal rights.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6f/4d/0e/6f4d0ee70ded93f876267b0f5c8333ff.jpg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 09:39:20 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 09:08:42 AM

So in your opinion will anyone do as long as it isn't the mccs ...because that's how it seems to me.

Then your opinion is entirely wrong and not based reading any of my posts.

In my opinion Brueckner fits a profile which should have made him a prime suspect back in 2007.  Incompetence or corruption didn't allow that.


As an aside in the post above you are displaying the dichotomy of thought process to which I have referred.  The very sad thing about it is ... I don't think you know you are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 09:49:05 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 09:31:05 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6f/4d/0e/6f4d0ee70ded93f876267b0f5c8333ff.jpg)

Very true. How to spot the seemingly innoffensive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 10:08:01 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 09:39:20 AM
Then your opinion is entirely wrong and not based reading any of my posts.

In my opinion Brueckner fits a profile which should have made him a prime suspect back in 2007.  Incompetence or corruption didn't allow that.


As an aside in the post above you are displaying the dichotomy of thought process to which I have referred.  The very sad thing about it is ... I don't think you know you are.

OFGS...they say the best form of defense attacks.

You seem very emotional where GA is concerned....like as in he is more responsible for Maddie than the mccs IMO.

An emotional mind is a narrow mind B
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 10:15:51 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 09:39:20 AM
Then your opinion is entirely wrong and not based reading any of my posts.

In my opinion Brueckner fits a profile which should have made him a prime suspect back in 2007.  Incompetence or corruption didn't allow that.


As an aside in the post above you are displaying the dichotomy of thought process to which I have referred.  The very sad thing about it is ... I don't think you know you are.

CB onlt fits a profile on the assumption the motive was sexual.  What evidence do you have to support this?

If the motive was sexual how did CB learn MM was home alone in the unsecured apartment? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 10:20:30 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 10:15:51 AM
CB onlt fits a profile on the assumption the motive was sexual.  What evidence do you have to support this?

If the motive was sexual how did CB learn MM was home alone in the unsecured apartment?

He may or may not have known....he may have got information from an employee who thought his motive was only burglary. His motive may have been burglary initially then he had a change of mind
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 10:20:30 AM
He may or may not have known....he may have got information from an employee who thought his motive was only burglary. His motive may have been burglary initially then he had a change of mind

He may not have been the abductor either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 15, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 09:31:05 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6f/4d/0e/6f4d0ee70ded93f876267b0f5c8333ff.jpg)

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 10:23:59 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
He may not have been the abductor either.

Or he may
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 15, 2020, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 10:20:30 AM
He may or may not have known....he may have got information from an employee who thought his motive was only burglary. His motive may have been burglary initially then he had a change of mind

He also may have been nowhere close to 5a at the crucial time, what ever that was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 10:26:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 10:23:59 AM
Or he may

Just as mccs could have been involved imo .....we know they were definitely there yet no proof CB was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 10:28:06 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 10:15:51 AM
CB onlt fits a profile on the assumption the motive was sexual.  What evidence do you have to support this?

If the motive was sexual how did CB learn MM was home alone in the unsecured apartment?

I don't have any evidence and neither do you.  But I am sensible enough not to implicate others of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance without evidence ... and that includes Brueckner who is at the moment enjoying his presumption of innocence in a German jail.

Hand on heart ... can you say the same.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 15, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

                    Yes ... and ???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 10:41:09 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
                    Yes ... and ???

Well, IMO there is no one sadder than you trying to analyze posters just because they don't believe the abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 10:26:34 AM
Just as mccs could have been involved imo .....we know they were definitely there yet no proof CB was.
Some options are more likely than others and it's CB being investigated
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 15, 2020, 10:25:29 AM
He also may have been nowhere close to 5a at the crucial time, what ever that was.

Or he may have been
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 11:13:27 AM
This is the location of the box factory in Germany.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 15, 2020, 11:21:11 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
                    Yes ... and ???
Beware the fate of Jezebel.......while we're quoting biblically.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 11:32:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 10:57:14 AM
Some options are more likely than others and it's CB being investigated

Yes but for what reason.

You were waiting for the concrete evidence wasn't you ...now you must know there isn't any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 15, 2020, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 11:13:27 AM
This is the location of the box factory in Germany.
Go on, I'll ask; what did I miss? I'm serious dammit, what's the significance of the box factory?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 15, 2020, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: The General on July 15, 2020, 11:39:53 AM
Go on, I'll ask; what did I miss? I'm serious dammit, what's the significance of the box factory?

More specifically, what the significance if seeing a picture of it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 15, 2020, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 15, 2020, 11:42:54 AM
More specifically, what the significance if seeing a picture of it ?
I used to collect aerial photos of semi-rural, industrial locations, so this piqued my interest, but I can't go back down that road. Not since 'the incident' in'95.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 15, 2020, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 09:08:42 AM

So in your opinion will anyone do as long as it isn't the mccs ...because that's how it seems to me.


There is no evidence against the McCann's.   There is against CB.   

Funny how CB the rapist paedophile and thief,   gets more support than the McCann's who have nothing against them.   The twitter comments are disgusting they have no proof the McCann's are guilty but it doesn't stop them putting out a lot of bile on the internet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 15, 2020, 11:48:23 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 11:46:45 AM

There is no evidence against the McCann's.   There is against CB.   

Funny how CB the rapist paedophile and thief,   gets more support than the McCann's who have nothing against them.   The twitter comments are disgusting they have no proof the McCann's are guilty but it doesn't stop them putting out a lot of bile on the internet.

Such is the court of Public Opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 15, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 11:46:45 AM

There is no evidence against the McCann's.   There is against CB.   

Funny how CB the rapist paedophile and thief,   gets more support than the McCann's who have nothing against them.   The twitter comments are disgusting they have no proof the McCann's are guilty but it doesn't stop them putting out a lot of bile on the internet.
If a man in his shed uploads a video of how to repair the winding on a small motor he'll get abuse.
I'd like to go back to simpler times when you could simply post some dog shit in an envelope through their letter box.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 15, 2020, 11:52:30 AM
Quote from: The General on July 15, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
If a man in his shed uploads a video of how to repair the winding on a small motor he'll get abuse.
I'd like to go back to simpler times when you could simply post some dog shit in an envelope through their letter box.

I thought they didn't employ Clarence any more, so who'll do the checking of post now ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 11:46:45 AM

There is no evidence against the McCann's.   There is against CB.   

Funny how CB the rapist paedophile and thief,   gets more support than the McCann's who have nothing against them.   The twitter comments are disgusting they have no proof the McCann's are guilty but it doesn't stop them putting out a lot of bile on the internet.

There is against CB.

What...... apart from Hans Cristian Wolters say so seems he is a bit of a fantasist.

wonder he he was named after  Hans Christian Anderson ...famous for writing fairytales.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 15, 2020, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 11:46:45 AM

There is no evidence against the McCann's.   There is against CB.   

Funny how CB the rapist paedophile and thief,   gets more support than the McCann's who have nothing against them.   The twitter comments are disgusting they have no proof the McCann's are guilty but it doesn't stop them putting out a lot of bile on the internet.

Best not visit then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 15, 2020, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 15, 2020, 11:52:30 AM
I thought they didn't employ Clarence any more, so who'll do the checking of post now ?
Brian Kennedy?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 15, 2020, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 11:46:45 AM

There is no evidence against the McCann's.   There is against CB.   

Funny how CB the rapist paedophile and thief,   gets more support than the McCann's who have nothing against them.   The twitter comments are disgusting they have no proof the McCann's are guilty but it doesn't stop them putting out a lot of bile on the internet.

Hard or concrete depending on one's choice but not enough to bring charges.Go figure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 15, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
There is against CB.

What...... apart from Hans Cristian Wolters say so seems he is a bit of a fantasist.

wonder he he was named after  Hans Christian Anderson ...famous for writing fairytales.

He spoke about Madeleine to his mate we don't know what he said they are keeping that quiet.   His phone was located near 5a,  he resembles  a photofit.    He bought a £40,000 camper van not long after Madeleine disappeared.

Actually Hans Cristian Anderson books weren't originally meant to be Fairy Tales.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 15, 2020, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
He spoke about Madeleine to his mate we don't know what he said they are keeping that quiet.   His phone was located near 5a,  he resembles  a photofit.    He bought a £40,000 camper van not long after Madeleine disappeared.

Actually Hans Cristian Anderson books weren't originally meant to be Fairy Tales.
You missed the 'allegedly' in your first statement. One criminal talking about talking to another criminal.
Besides, I thought all criminals impugned themselves and were not to be trusted?
Again - that meeting? Do it on Teams or Zoom.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 15, 2020, 12:04:11 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
He spoke about Madeleine to his mate we don't know what he said they are keeping that quiet.   His phone was located near 5a,  he resembles  a photofit.    He bought a £40,000 camper van not long after Madeleine disappeared.

Actually Hans Cristian Anderson books weren't originally meant to be Fairy Tales.

Kate & Gerry spoke about Madeleine.
Their phones were located in 5a.
Gerry resembles a photo fit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 15, 2020, 12:17:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 15, 2020, 12:04:11 PM
Kate & Gerry spoke about Madeleine.
Their phones were located in 5a.
Gerry resembles a photo fit.


Don't ever be a detective.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 15, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
He spoke about Madeleine to his mate we don't know what he said they are keeping that quiet.   His phone was located near 5a,  he resembles  a photofit.    He bought a £40,000 camper van not long after Madeleine disappeared.

Actually Hans Cristian Anderson books weren't originally meant to be Fairy Tales.

Not according to press reports - it was bought in 2010

https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk03-VhCq886p5mJCiv6QTcS7ED2uvg%3A1594812302445&ei=jucOX9DcGsqUgQbysLvQCQ&q=brueckner+bought+van+2010&oq=brueckner+bought+van+2010&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECAAQR1Duflilf2DimwFoAHABeACAAWeIAb0BkgEDMS4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjQ25Tmks_qAhVKSsAKHXLYDpoQ4dUDCAs&uact=5
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 15, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 11:46:45 AM

There is no evidence against the McCann's.   There is against CB.   

Funny how CB the rapist paedophile and thief,   gets more support than the McCann's who have nothing against them.   The twitter comments are disgusting they have no proof the McCann's are guilty but it doesn't stop them putting out a lot of bile on the internet.

Then don’t read them.....simple really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 15, 2020, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: The General on July 15, 2020, 11:46:10 AM
I used to collect aerial photos of semi-rural, industrial locations, so this piqued my interest, but I can't go back down that road. Not since 'the incident' in'95.

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 12:39:51 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
He spoke about Madeleine to his mate we don't know what he said they are keeping that quiet.   His phone was located near 5a,  he resembles  a photofit.    He bought a £40,000 camper van not long after Madeleine disappeared.

Actually Hans Cristian Anderson books weren't originally meant to be Fairy Tales.

Oh right ...maybe Wolters wasn't neither but ended up that way.

Who said he bought a 40,000 van....the media ir have you got privvy info.

Do you know if the phone was deffo his ...anyway L

Cell tower range in Luz was 5-8 km. In some situations, a mobile phone can even receive a signal from an antenna located at a greater distance, as opposed to that nearest to it.

NO WAY to tell if Brueckner was near Club
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 10:41:09 AM
Well, IMO there is no one sadder than you trying to analyze posters just because they don't believe the abduction.
I do not 'analyse' posters ... I discuss their posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 15, 2020, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 01:06:28 PM
I do not 'analyse' posters ... I discuss their posts.

Beats watching paint dry I spose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 15, 2020, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 11:46:45 AM

There is no evidence against the McCann's.   There is against CB.   

Funny how CB the rapist paedophile and thief,   gets more support than the McCann's who have nothing against them.   The twitter comments are disgusting they have no proof the McCann's are guilty but it doesn't stop them putting out a lot of bile on the internet.

The McCann's were questioned. Bruckner hasn't been in 7 years, there can't really be that much evidence on him. Prosecutors in Germany are obliged to open an investigation if someone is named to investigators.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 01:06:28 PM
I do not 'analyse' posters ... I discuss their posts.

Sorry.....so what is this you posted.


As an aside in the post above you are displaying the dichotomy of thought process to which I have referred.  The very sad thing about it is ... I don't think you know you are.

Well if it's my posts you analyze that could make it sadder still B
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 10:20:30 AM
He may or may not have known....he may have got information from an employee who thought his motive was only burglary. His motive may have been burglary initially then he had a change of mind

But my theory doesn't require anything convoluted.  We know for a fact my suspects observed the entire Mc family on the Sun and Thu at 5a.

The CB dunnit theory is implausible imo eg went on the rob but the first property he arrived at just happened to be unsecured, so no forced entry required, and then seeing a sleeping child home alone he decided to forego any valuables and take MM instead.

There's no evidence the staff at OC were criminally minded tipping of the likes of CB.  If they were don't you think they would grass him up or discuss with others who in turn would do the grassing up?

Most have some sort of moral compass even burglars and such like.  Giving someone the green light to rob a holiday apartment is one thing quite another if it involved child abduction. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 01:37:19 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 10:28:06 AM
I don't have any evidence and neither do you.  But I am sensible enough not to implicate others of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance without evidence ... and that includes Brueckner who is at the moment enjoying his presumption of innocence in a German jail.

Hand on heart ... can you say the same.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg606648#msg606648

"Lord knows what else..."

I have a compelling theory which ticks all the boxes which is more than can be said for the CB theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 02:15:02 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 01:37:19 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg606648#msg606648

"Lord knows what else..."

I have a compelling theory which ticks all the boxes which is more than can be said for the CB theory.

That's your opinion....I don't think your theory is in anyway credible but CBs involvement is. ...that's my opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 02:31:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 02:15:02 PM
That's your opinion....I don't think your theory is in anyway credible but CBs involvement is. ...that's my opinion

that's my opinion
[/quote]

Is that because you understand the evidence ....as in no evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 02:44:03 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 02:31:16 PM
that's my opinion


Is that because you understand the evidence ....as in no evidence.

There plenty of evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 02:50:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
But my theory doesn't require anything convoluted.  We know for a fact my suspects observed the entire Mc family on the Sun and Thu at 5a.

The CB dunnit theory is implausible imo eg went on the rob but the first property he arrived at just happened to be unsecured, so no forced entry required, and then seeing a sleeping child home alone he decided to forego any valuables and take MM instead.

There's no evidence the staff at OC were criminally minded tipping of the likes of CB.  If they were don't you think they would grass him up or discuss with others who in turn would do the grassing up?

Most have some sort of moral compass even burglars and such like.  Giving someone the green light to rob a holiday apartment is one thing quite another if it involved child abduction.

your theory is ridiculous imo...Do you think maddie is still with her abductor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 15, 2020, 02:59:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 02:44:03 PM
There plenty of evidence

Concrete evidence that he took Madeleine ? Okay.....off you go....I’m all ears.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 03:05:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 02:50:40 PM
your theory is ridiculous imo...Do you think maddie is still with her abductor.

And yet my theory fits all the known facts.  Please see my tagline - motive unknown.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 03:08:09 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 03:05:25 PM
And yet my theory fits all the known facts.  Please see my tagline - motive unknown.

As I've said many times its not what is possible...which is what you are looking at..Its whats probable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 03:08:09 PM
As I've said many times its not what is possible...which is what you are looking at..Its whats probable

I look at what's possible and what's plausible. 

Nothing about my theory is improbable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 03:17:22 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
I look at what's possible and what's plausible. 

Nothing about my theory is improbable.

thats your opinion...do you think your opinion is fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 15, 2020, 03:22:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 03:17:22 PM
thats your opinion...do you think your opinion is fact

Still waiting Davel..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 02:44:03 PM
There plenty of evidence

What here say ....do you think CB is uniqe like'

There were 600 on the list from that area he was probably just the right candidate for the germans.

They give it there best shot of letting the media do there work. To try and keep him in prison.

I mentioned it to you weeks ago they only had till tomorrow. the 16th ...seems they ran out of time.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg606619#msg606619

On July 16, the European Court of Justice will decide whether a further rape conviction should be brought into line with the International Legal Assistance Act. B. makes use of his right to remain silent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: The General on July 15, 2020, 11:39:53 AM
Go on, I'll ask; what did I miss? I'm serious dammit, what's the significance of the box factory?
His Winnebago was parked there. Girls’ swimming costumes inside the vehicle. USB drives with more than 8000 images/videos buried underneath his dead dog. I shared the location because I have not been able to contextually assess its distance from Brünswick, for example.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 03:52:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 15, 2020, 11:42:54 AM
More specifically, what the significance if seeing a picture of it ?
Unfortunately I cannot help you with this, apart from suggesting having a less close-minded approach.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
What here say ....do you think CB is uniqe like'

There were 600 on the list from that area he was probably just the right candidate for the germans.

They give it there best shot of letting the media do there work. To try and keep him in prison.

I mentioned it to you weeks ago they only had till tomorrow. the 16th ...seems they ran out of time.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg606619#msg606619

On July 16, the European Court of Justice will decide whether a further rape conviction should be brought into line with the International Legal Assistance Act. B. makes use of his right to remain silent.
I could explain it to you but it would be like telling a Jehovah's witnesses they were wrong...so point less imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 03:56:04 PM
What I find significant and makes CB unique is for some years posters have said. .why would a burglar take a child.
Enter CB...a burglar with a history is paedophilia
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 15, 2020, 03:59:33 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 03:52:30 PM
Unfortunately I cannot help you with this, apart from suggesting having a less close-minded approach.

I'm afraid I can see no advantage in viewing a large scale google pic of a derelict factory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 15, 2020, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 15, 2020, 03:59:33 PM
I'm afraid I can see no advantage in viewing a large scale google pic of a derelict factory.
Don't look at it then!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 04:05:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 03:56:04 PM
What I find significant and makes CB unique is for some years posters have said. .why would a burglar take a child.
Enter CB...a burglar with a history is paedophilia

Well exactly. He wasn't just a burglar, was he? Mind you, his 'paedophile' m.o. seemed to involved children's playgrounds previously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 15, 2020, 04:06:01 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 15, 2020, 04:00:42 PM
Don't look at it then!

Too late - I clicked to try & see what it was supposed to be
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 15, 2020, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 03:56:04 PM
What I find significant and makes CB unique is for some years posters have said. .why would a burglar take a child.
Enter CB...a burglar with a history is paedophilia


Yes but it was only the mccs who mentioned a peado/gang.

It could have well beed anyone in that complex anyone

Yet she ran out the apartment leaving twins on there own

and still put them in creache next day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 15, 2020, 04:10:50 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 15, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
He spoke about Madeleine to his mate we don't know what he said they are keeping that quiet.   His phone was located near 5a,  he resembles  a photofit.    He bought a £40,000 camper van not long after Madeleine disappeared.

Actually Hans Cristian Anderson books weren't originally meant to be Fairy Tales.
Probably a lot less than 40 grand. As it was an early '80s model, something more like $5,000 to $7,000 or whatever the equivalent is in Euros...

https://www.bankstonmotorhomes.com/product/used-1982-tiffin-motorhomes-allegro-rsd-27-579447-9 (https://www.bankstonmotorhomes.com/product/used-1982-tiffin-motorhomes-allegro-rsd-27-579447-9)

http://www.tiffinmotorhomesforsale.com/1983-allegro-hinesville-ga/ (http://www.tiffinmotorhomesforsale.com/1983-allegro-hinesville-ga/)

https://www.autabuy.com/search/?s=Tiffin-Motorhomes-Allegro&SO=7 (https://www.autabuy.com/search/?s=Tiffin-Motorhomes-Allegro&SO=7)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 04:58:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 03:17:22 PM
thats your opinion...do you think your opinion is fact

Have I ever said my theory is fact?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 05:03:43 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 04:58:23 PM
Have I ever said my theory is fact?

you continually post your opinion as fact....which was the question I raised
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 04:05:49 PM
Well exactly. He wasn't just a burglar, was he? Mind you, his 'paedophile' m.o. seemed to involved children's playgrounds previously.

a paedophile ...a sexual predator...prepared to use violence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 05:03:43 PM
you continually post your opinion as fact....which was the question I raised

Where?  Please provide a link.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 15, 2020, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
But my theory doesn't require anything convoluted.  We know for a fact my suspects observed the entire Mc family on the Sun and Thu at 5a.

The CB dunnit theory is implausible imo eg went on the rob but the first property he arrived at just happened to be unsecured, so no forced entry required, and then seeing a sleeping child home alone he decided to forego any valuables and take MM instead.

There's no evidence the staff at OC were criminally minded tipping of the likes of CB.  If they were don't you think they would grass him up or discuss with others who in turn would do the grassing up?

Most have some sort of moral compass even burglars and such like.  Giving someone the green light to rob a holiday apartment is one thing quite another if it involved child abduction.
How would you know it was the first property and not the 3rd, or the 7th?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 15, 2020, 05:36:47 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
I look at what's possible and what's plausible. 

Nothing about my theory is improbable.
Where is Madeleine?  If the motive wasn’t sexual then what was it and where is she?  What happened to her in the day, the week, the month, the year after she was abducted?  Do expand on your highly probable theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 05:42:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 15, 2020, 05:33:40 PM
How would you know it was the first property and not the 3rd, or the 7th?

No one reported a break-in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 15, 2020, 05:44:27 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 05:42:16 PM
No one reported a break-in.
Maybe that’s because all the rest had their doors and windows secured.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 15, 2020, 01:12:45 PM
Beats watching paint dry I spose.

That is debatable.  There is a terrible amount of rubbish being spouted under the guise of the 'new German suspect'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 05:51:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 15, 2020, 05:36:47 PM
Where is Madeleine?  If the motive wasn’t sexual then what was it and where is she?  What happened to her in the day, the week, the month, the year after she was abducted?  Do expand on your highly probable theory.

As per my tagline - motive unknown. It could range from raising as own, possibly under some misguided idea MM was neglected due to the crying incident through to sadistic eg Brady/Hindley. 

My theory/suspects involves a pair and I wouldn't like to say whether they acted as a pair in the abduction or independently and if the latter which one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 05:53:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 15, 2020, 05:44:27 PM
Maybe that’s because all the rest had their doors and windows secured.

Exactly.  But are you suggesting he went along trying every one until he struck lucky at 5a? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 15, 2020, 05:53:34 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 05:51:32 PM
As per my tagline - motive unknown. It could range from raising as own, possibly under some misguided idea MM was neglected due to the crying incident through to sadistic eg Brady/Hindley. 

My theory/suspects involves a pair and I wouldn't like to say whether they acted as a pair in the abduction or independently and if the latter which one.
So let’s assume it’s the first one.  How did they manage to raise the most famous missing child in the world (and one whose case they were personally involved in) as their own?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 06:03:23 PM
I don't’ know where for the moment, but it has been suggested that German authorities possibly did identify Madeleine’s location but upon investigating, she was removed/not present. Brückner seems to have an ability to liaise, from prison, with people that can get rid of any evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 15, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 06:03:23 PM
I don't’ know where for the moment, but it has been suggested that German authorities possibly did identify Madeleine’s location but upon investigating, she was removed/not present. Brückner seems to have an ability to liaise, from prison, with people that can get rid of any evidence.

Can you provide a cite for that please ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
I look at what's possible and what's plausible. 

Nothing about my theory is improbable.

Opinion as fact..there is lots more...have you noticed how some of use use the caveat..IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 06:28:02 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 01:37:19 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg606648#msg606648

"Lord knows what else..."

I have a compelling theory which ticks all the boxes which is more than can be said for the CB theory.

Thank you for that.  The full post says ...
So he's not a versatile career criminal who films his crime of rape of an older woman and the Lord alone knows what else ~ has convictions for molesting children ~ is a drug dealer ~ with access to expensive vehicles ~ is a prolific and obviously very good at it burglar ~ whose phone activated antennae in Praia da Luz just before Madeleine disappeared.

But as Amaral confirms, managed to slip through the net because he wasn't in when the police called on him ... I don't think for a minute that his convictions are reliant on a string of friends of a friend.  I think he's a nefarious person with a criminal record which proves it ... which of course doesn't make him guilty of being Madeleine's abductor ... but it sure does make him a person of interest worthy of further investigation.

If nothing else is enjoyable about this the twisting and turning of sceptics whose main battle cry was "JUSTICE for MADELEINE" at the same time as they pilloried her parents is certainly giving me time for a wry smile:  the Germans are doing their level best to do just that (justice for Madeleine) and are not doing too well in the popularity stakes as a result:(
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg606648#msg606648


We all know the identity of the victim of your so called "compelling theory". 

I think you are defending the indefensible as far as your malice towards this innocent woman is concerned.  The boxes being ticked by her for you leads me to one of two conclusions.
Whichever one or both it may be I don't think discussion of your theory lends anything to the debate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 03:05:25 PM
And yet my theory fits all the known facts.  Please see my tagline - motive unknown.

No it does not.

And it is worth remembering this thread is not about 'your theory' although it is rapidly turning into that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 15, 2020, 07:22:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 15, 2020, 11:57:44 AM
Best not visit then.

Don't worry I don't wish to read the ramblings of ignorant, moronic people, so I won't be visiting again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 15, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
Can you provide a cite for that please ?
I’m sorry but I am not available to do research on your behalf. There are posts and references here, indicating how Brückner had known he is being investigated re. Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 15, 2020, 07:33:15 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 15, 2020, 01:37:19 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg606648#msg606648

"Lord knows what else..."

I have a compelling theory which ticks all the boxes which is more than can be said for the CB theory.
Your theory merits its own thread, redacting names, etc.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 07:28:27 PM
I’m sorry but I am not available to do research on your behalf. There are posts and references here, indicating how Brückner had known he is being investigated re. Madeleine.

You said "it has been suggested that German authorities possibly did identify Madeleine’s location but upon investigating, she was removed/not present. Brückner seems to have an ability to liaise, from prison, with people that can get rid of any evidence."

You are claming two facts;

1. That the German police investigated a possible location for Madeleine
2. That Bruckner has contact with people outside prison who, you insinuate, are helping him.

I've seen neither fact mentioned in the media and I would like to know your sources too please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 08:53:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 08:44:09 PM
You said "it has been suggested that German authorities possibly did identify Madeleine’s location but upon investigating, she was removed/not present. Brückner seems to have an ability to liaise, from prison, with people that can get rid of any evidence."

You are claming two facts;

1. That the German police investigated a possible location for Madeleine
2. That Bruckner has contact with people outside prison who, you insinuate, are helping him.

I've seen neither fact mentioned in the media and I would like to know your sources too please.
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/german-prosecutor-claiming-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-may-have-video-of-the-incident/91f3a526-c607-489a-802b-ee0e478b704b
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 15, 2020, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 07:28:27 PM
I’m sorry but I am not available to do research on your behalf. There are posts and references here, indicating how Brückner had known he is being investigated re. Madeleine.

I'm talking about a cite for him influencing things from prison.

You state it as a fact so either provide a cite or admit you made it up.

Mods please note
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 09:01:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 15, 2020, 08:54:01 PM
I'm talking about a cite for him influencing things from prison.

You state it as a fact so either provide a cite or admit you made it up.

Mods please note
‘While he was in prison, the convicted sex offender asked a German friend to remove the haul from the rafters and keep it in a safe place so the police would not find it.

But the friend decided to keep the stolen valuables, Mr Tatschl said. The friend also found a video of Brueckner raping and beating an older woman while she was chained to a post.

Mr Tatschl said: 'That's how I found out he was sick. I told the police all about that. Christian was always on the dark web. I don't know exactly what he did but I suspect it involved drugs and pornography’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 08:53:51 PM
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/german-prosecutor-claiming-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-may-have-video-of-the-incident/91f3a526-c607-489a-802b-ee0e478b704b
See my response to Jassi.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 09:04:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 15, 2020, 08:54:01 PM
I'm talking about a cite for him influencing things from prison.

You state it as a fact so either provide a cite or admit you made it up.

Mods please note
‘Mods please note’. Indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 15, 2020, 09:06:15 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 09:04:52 PM
‘Mods please note’. Indeed.
Y
 you refused to provide a cite at the first asking.
Had you refused a second time, then I would have reported you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 15, 2020, 09:06:15 PM
Y
 you refused to provide a cite at the first asking.
Had you refused a second time, then I would have reported you.
Go ahead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 09:19:35 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 08:53:51 PM
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/german-prosecutor-claiming-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-may-have-video-of-the-incident/91f3a526-c607-489a-802b-ee0e478b704b

There are no facts in that article. It repeats speculations by Martin Brunt and he says that he's speculating;

"This is all speculation," Mr Brunt clarified on A Current Affair.
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/german-prosecutor-claiming-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-may-have-video-of-the-incident/91f3a526-c607-489a-802b-ee0e478b704b

Speculations should not be posted as if they were facts. That's how misinformation is spread.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 15, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 09:04:52 PM
‘Mods please note’. Indeed.

Noted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 15, 2020, 08:54:01 PM
I'm talking about a cite for him influencing things from prison.

You state it as a fact so either provide a cite or admit you made it up.

Mods please note

I'm taking note.

Don't you remember the allegation made by his friend that he contacted people from prison to carry out a 'burglary' on his place of residence to remove incriminating evidence for him. Apparently this was inclusive of his 'rape and torture video'.

If you don't ... I do and I am sure a high % of the membership do as well ... whether or not they care to acknowledge the fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 15, 2020, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 10:37:30 PM
I'm taking note.

Don't you remember the allegation made by his friend that he contacted people from prison to carry out a 'burglary' on his place of residence to remove incriminating evidence for him. Apparently this was inclusive of his 'rape and torture video'.

If you don't ... I do and I am sure a high % of the membership do as well ... whether or not they care to acknowledge the fact.


I don't remember, as a member I would like cites to refresh my memory on some issues.


The 'friend' alleges' -so what- he suspected  CB of disgusting behavior but never thought to do the decent thing and go to the police, could this be because he was also a 'bad sort'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 15, 2020, 11:07:36 PM
It's quite possible that CB had an accomplice who gave him inside info..perhaps s tractor driver who knew too much and came to an untimely end..it seems his phone placed him in the area on May 3rd
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 11:11:07 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on July 15, 2020, 10:51:35 PM

I don't remember, as a member I would like cites to refresh my memory on some issues.


The 'friend' alleges' -so what- he suspected  CB of disgusting behavior but never thought to do the decent thing and go to the police, could this be because he was also a 'bad sort'.

Do read what has been posted before jumping opportunistically into what you think is the fray.

Anthro has already posted the required cite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 11:16:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 11:07:36 PM
It's quite possible that CB had an accomplice who gave him inside info..perhaps s tractor driver who knew too much and came to an untimely end

Not only untimely but a mysterious end.
I remember searches by members for confirmation of his death coming to nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 15, 2020, 11:18:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 11:07:36 PM
It's quite possible that CB had an accomplice who gave him inside info..perhaps s tractor driver who knew too much and came to an untimely end..it seems his phone placed him in the area on May 3rd

Maybe the Tapas waiters , creche workers & Pamela Fenn were in on it too.

I mean, we don't have any evidence that they were, but that shouldn't stop us from speculating.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 15, 2020, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 15, 2020, 11:18:41 PM
Maybe the Tapas waiters , creche workers & Pamela Fenn were in on it too.

I mean, we don't have any evidence that they were, but that shouldn't stop us from speculating.

Yes, its not like they could be guilty before being innocent and all that jazz. maybe Amarals wife planted the cadavar scent...

Conspiracy theory#101   alien abduction
Conspiracy theory#103  left with the fairies
Conspiracy theory#105   the tractor man

I was convinced he did it just by reading the posts today on this thread. ope his tractor rots in hell!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 15, 2020, 11:39:06 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 15, 2020, 10:37:30 PM
I'm taking note.

Don't you remember the allegation made by his friend that he contacted people from prison to carry out a 'burglary' on his place of residence to remove incriminating evidence for him. Apparently this was inclusive of his 'rape and torture video'.

If you don't ... I do and I am sure a high % of the membership do as well ... whether or not they care to acknowledge the fact.

I'm no expert on German prisons but I know that British prisoners can make phone calls, speak to visitors and write letters... Most prisoners can contact people outside the prison.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 16, 2020, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: Anthro on July 15, 2020, 09:01:10 PM
‘While he was in prison, the convicted sex offender asked a German friend to remove the haul from the rafters and keep it in a safe place so the police would not find it.

But the friend decided to keep the stolen valuables, Mr Tatschl said. The friend also found a video of Brueckner raping and beating an older woman while she was chained to a post.

Mr Tatschl said: 'That's how I found out he was sick. I told the police all about that. Christian was always on the dark web. I don't know exactly what he did but I suspect it involved drugs and pornography’.

Was that the tape Mr Tatschi destroyed ? The one that probably got him a fee for his story but unfortunately not the reward ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 16, 2020, 01:29:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 15, 2020, 11:07:36 PM
It's quite possible that CB had an accomplice who gave him inside info..perhaps s tractor driver who knew too much and came to an untimely end..it seems his phone placed him in the area on May 3rd

You think the tractorman was killed?

I don't think CB is a killer. We have no proofs of this.
IMO, he probably sold her, if he is the perpetrator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 01:47:05 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 16, 2020, 01:29:15 AM
You think the tractorman was killed?

I don't think CB is a killer. We have no proofs of this.
IMO, he probably sold her, if he is the perpetrator.

I think he was making a reasonable income from the proceeds of his criminal activities which ranged from burglary to drugs.
He appeared to be capable of working legitimately too ... a bit of a jack of all trades.

I think it is very possible that he viewed Madeleine as a commodity and if he took her it was probably to sell her on. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 16, 2020, 02:01:57 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 01:47:05 AM
I think he was making a reasonable income from the proceeds of his criminal activities which ranged from burglary to drugs.
He appeared to be capable of working legitimately too ... a bit of a jack of all trades.

I think it is very possible that he viewed Madeleine as a commodity and if he took her it was probably to sell her on.

I hope it is possible to find out who was the next person to see him after Madeleine was gone.
CB seems to have ups and downs. Moments when he is clean and shaven and acts normal and other moments when he is scruffy and crazy. Some people describe him as house proud, clean shaven and well spoken while other saw him as a dirty hippi. The calculating tidy one is the burglar who makes money and the scruffy one is the sexual predator. The question is, if he is the perpetrator, which personality was he that night. He was able for so long to hide that dark side of himself in front of friends in Portugal.
If we are to trust the German prosecution,  he was the sexual predator that night.
Interesting thing is that he combines the two, hr assaults his victims but don't forget to steal from them.
When Madeleine went missing nothing got stolen, except for her.So, maybe she was the burglary target.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 03:20:02 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 16, 2020, 02:01:57 AM
I hope it is possible to find out who was the next person to see him after Madeleine was gone.
CB seems to have ups and downs. Moments when he is clean and shaven and acts normal and other moments when he is scruffy and crazy. Some people describe him as house proud, clean shaven and well spoken while other saw him as a dirty hippi. The calculating tidy one is the burglar who makes money and the scruffy one is the sexual predator. The question is, if he is the perpetrator, which personality was he that night. He was able for so long to hide that dark side of himself in front of friends in Portugal.
If we are to trust the German prosecution,  he was the sexual predator that night.
Interesting thing is that he combines the two, hr assaults his victims but don't forget to steal from them.
When Madeleine went missing nothing got stolen, except for her.So, maybe she was the burglary target.

In one of the video interviews he is described as an alcoholic.  As well as transporting drugs, I wonder if he used them too.  That might explain changes in personality and behaviour.
Certainly he must have been capable of disguising his darker self from the majority of people who knew him.  But I wonder if at least one of them might have been a closer confidante than the lone wolf we think of him as being.

I have no idea if he is responsible for the terrible thing that happened to Madeleine.  But he certainly is very close to my idea of the type of person with the capability and particular skill set which would enable him to do so.
I just hope the police are able to gather the evidence which will prove it one way or the other.

A great deal has been made of the fact that nothing was stolen from the apartment.  But as Madeleine was one of the three most valuable items there it is highly likely she was the target of a very skilled burglar just as Brueckner is known to be.
She might have been considered more valuable than the family passports, cameras or petty cash.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 16, 2020, 08:48:14 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 03:20:02 AM
In one of the video interviews he is described as an alcoholic.  As well as transporting drugs, I wonder if he used them too.  That might explain changes in personality and behaviour.
Certainly he must have been capable of disguising his darker self from the majority of people who knew him.  But I wonder if at least one of them might have been a closer confidante than the lone wolf we think of him as being.

I have no idea if he is responsible for the terrible thing that happened to Madeleine.  But he certainly is very close to my idea of the type of person with the capability and particular skill set which would enable him to do so.
I just hope the police are able to gather the evidence which will prove it one way or the other.

A great deal has been made of the fact that nothing was stolen from the apartment.  But as Madeleine was one of the three most valuable items there it is highly likely she was the target of a very skilled burglar just as Brueckner is known to be.
She might have been considered more valuable than the family passports, cameras or petty cash.

But as Madeleine was one of the three most valuable items there

Correct..

Yet gmcc said no valuables were taken taken ...did he not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 16, 2020, 09:05:03 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 16, 2020, 08:48:14 AM
But as Madeleine was one of the three most valuable items there

Correct..

Yet gmcc said no valuables were taken taken ...did he not.
Are you sure he said those words within the context of Madeleine been missing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 09:19:15 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 16, 2020, 08:48:14 AM
But as Madeleine was one of the three most valuable items there

Correct..

Yet gmcc said no valuables were taken taken ...did he not.

The thread title is "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance".  Please refrain from deflecting away from that topic.  Thank you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 16, 2020, 09:25:21 AM
Quote from: Anthro on July 16, 2020, 09:05:03 AM
Are you sure he said those words within the context of Madeleine been missing?


Kate and Gerry McCann would be hugely ‘disappointed but not totally surprised’ if the German investigation into Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance is dropped due to lack of evidence, MailOnline can reveal.

Detectives in northern Germany have spent six weeks making desperate appeals for information to link prime suspect Christian Brueckner to the three-year-old’s abduction but haven’t secured the vital evidence they need.



That is the difference IMO they are trying to link the crime to him.....with no evidence

Not evidence to link him to the crime ....there is a difference.

It seems like picking a name out of a hat and then trying to link a connection.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 09:32:40 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 16, 2020, 09:25:21 AM

Kate and Gerry McCann would be hugely ‘disappointed but not totally surprised’ if the German investigation into Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance is dropped due to lack of evidence, MailOnline can reveal.

Detectives in northern Germany have spent six weeks making desperate appeals for information to link prime suspect Christian Brueckner to the three-year-old’s abduction but haven’t secured the vital evidence they need.



That is the difference IMO they are trying to link the crime to him.....with no evidence

Not evidence to link him to the crime ....there is a difference.

It seems like picking a name out of a hat and then trying to link a connection.

you seem to be suffering from tunnel vision...there is lots of evidence to link him to the crime....plus teh undisclsed evidence fron HCW
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 16, 2020, 09:34:31 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 16, 2020, 08:48:14 AM
But as Madeleine was one of the three most valuable items there

Correct..

Yet gmcc said no valuables were taken taken ...did he not.
I doubt Gerry considered his kids in terms of their worth on the black market. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 16, 2020, 10:11:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 09:32:40 AM
you seem to be suffering from tunnel vision...there is lots of evidence to link him to the crime....plus teh undisclsed evidence fron HCW


Ah ...do you think HCW has an ace card up his sleeve.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 16, 2020, 10:11:06 AM

Ah ...do you think HCW has an ace card up his sleeve.

I'm interested to know the evidence he has kept from SY and the PJ...it isn't the dogs as you assume
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 16, 2020, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 09:32:40 AM
you seem to be suffering from tunnel vision...there is lots of evidence to link him to the crime....plus teh undisclsed evidence fron HCW

Ah yes “lots of evidence” that you can’t actually signpost to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 16, 2020, 10:48:56 AM
Ah yes “lots of evidence” that you can’t actually signpost to.

I can....but Im more interested in the strong/concrete evidence that Maddie is dead and that Breukner killed her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 16, 2020, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 10:51:34 AM
I can....but Im more interested in the strong/concrete evidence that Maddie is dead and that Breukner killed her

It could be that CB is just a decoy ...to investigate other things that maybe PJ and SY are not allowed to
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 11:01:26 AM
As I predicted weeks ago, this German investigation is going nowhere, just a load more bluster and feather puffing. Christian Brueckner could be released within days if his appeal to the European Court of Justice succeeds.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12348429
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 11:09:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 10:51:34 AM
I can....but Im more interested in the strong/concrete evidence that Maddie is dead and that Breukner killed her

I think you'll have a long wait 

If the Germans had any tangible evidence they would have charged him but obviously they have nothing but hearsay.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 16, 2020, 11:27:14 AM
You can all go back to sleep now, coz a decision on whether his extradition from Italy was lawful or not won't be made today...

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5817850/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-release-decision/ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5817850/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-release-decision/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 11:37:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 11:09:44 AM
I think you'll have a long wait 

If the Germans had any tangible evidence they would have charged him but obviously they have nothing but hearsay.

They obvioulsy have a lot more than hearsay...are we no longer qualifying posts with imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 16, 2020, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 16, 2020, 11:27:14 AM
You can all go back to sleep now, coz a decision on whether his extradition from Italy was lawful or not won't be made today...

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5817850/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-release-decision/ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5817850/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-release-decision/)

"Easily Identifiable".  He is safer in jail if you ask me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 16, 2020, 11:49:41 AM
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-bombshell-expected-22363974
Tonight on Aktenzeichen XY.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 16, 2020, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 16, 2020, 08:48:14 AM
But as Madeleine was one of the three most valuable items there

Correct..

Yet gmcc said no valuables were taken taken ...did he not.

Oh dear.   When the Police ask if any valuables were taken they obviously mean watches, camera, jewellery.   When someone says 'put your valuables in the safe'  would you put your child in it?   FGS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 16, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 11:01:26 AM
As I predicted weeks ago, this German investigation is going nowhere, just a load more bluster and feather puffing. Christian Brueckner could be released within days if his appeal to the European Court of Justice succeeds.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12348429

Why are you on his side?  We don't know if he did it or not but this kind of person should be indefinitely locked up
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 16, 2020, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 16, 2020, 12:01:50 PM
Oh dear.   When the Police ask if any valuables were taken they obviously mean watches, camera, jewellery.   When someone says 'put your valuables in the safe'  would you put your child in it?   FGS
No but you'd lock the back door!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 02:18:04 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 16, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
Why are you on his side?  We don't know if he did it or not but this kind of person should be indefinitely locked up

I don't think people should be accused of 'taking sides'. The rule of law and judicial processes are paramount. As we live by the rule of law people can only be locked up for something if it's been proved beyond reasonable doubt they have done it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 02:18:04 PM
I don't think people should be accused of 'taking sides'. The rule of law and judicial processes are paramount. As we live by the rule of law people can only be locked up for something if it's been proved beyond reasonable doubt they have done it.

When people take sides its imposssible not to notice...you are quite pro Amaral and anti McCann
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 16, 2020, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
When people take sides its imposssible not to notice...you are quite pro Amaral and anti McCann
That's in no way comparable to being accused of 'being on the side' of a paedophile rapist. And you know it, or at least I credited you with the wherewithal to understand that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 16, 2020, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 02:18:04 PM
I don't think people should be accused of 'taking sides'. The rule of law and judicial processes are paramount. As we live by the rule of law people can only be locked up for something if it's been proved beyond reasonable doubt they have done it.

Like The McCanns you mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 02:36:08 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 16, 2020, 02:26:39 PM
Like The McCanns you mean?

Do you have reason to believe I would want them to be dealt with outside the law for some reason?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
When people take sides its imposssible not to notice...you are quite pro Amaral and anti McCann

In my opinion I'm pro truth. Also in my opinion there are people who are so pro McCann they're prepared to attack anyone who isn't completely devoted to their cause.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 16, 2020, 02:43:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 02:36:08 PM
Do you have reason to believe I would want them to be dealt with outside the law for some reason?

Just pointing out how drastically The Right to Innocence has changed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 03:04:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 16, 2020, 02:43:35 PM
Just pointing out how drastically The Right to Innocence has changed.

There's no such thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on July 16, 2020, 03:07:13 PM
https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what_16.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what_16.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 16, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on July 16, 2020, 03:07:13 PM
https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what_16.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what_16.html)
or maybe DNA evidence collected in Apartment 5A the day after the abduction could match Christian B's similar DNA profiles.
Scotland yard have access to the dna,why don't they liaise, or maybe they have and none of it is the German fella's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 16, 2020, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 03:04:33 PM
There's no such thing.

Until Proven Guilty.  There wasn't much of that when it was The McCanns being accused.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 02:40:23 PM
In my opinion I'm pro truth. Also in my opinion there are people who are so pro McCann they're prepared to attack anyone who isn't completely devoted to their cause.

I'm pro truth too...you support a policeman who had been convicted of lying in court...I don't see that as pro truth.
Don't you see sceptics attacking supporters....that's more truth but you don't see it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 11:37:48 AM
They obvioulsy have a lot more than hearsay...are we no longer qualifying posts with imo

I stated obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 16, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
Why are you on his side?  We don't know if he did it or not but this kind of person should be indefinitely locked up

I'm not "on his side" as you put it. It would be a sorry world if we went about accusing people based solely on their past misdemeanors, wouldn't you agree?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 03:51:08 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on July 16, 2020, 03:07:13 PM
https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what_16.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what_16.html)

So they have based their entire case that Christian Brueckner abducted Maddie on a phone ping?  God forbid!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 04:18:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 03:51:08 PM
So they have based their entire case that Christian Brueckner abducted Maddie on a phone ping?  God forbid!

I don't think so.

There was a good response to police appeals for information.  It would take just one of those responses to divulge information of use to the investigation and relevant to information already held for some more progress to be made.

I don't think it was ever going to be an easy task to identify someone who has had thirteen years to cover up his crime and the only way to do it is by following what evidence there is and adding to it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 04:29:32 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 04:18:51 PM
I don't think so.

There was a good response to police appeals for information.  It would take just one of those responses to divulge information of use to the investigation and relevant to information already held for some more progress to be made.

I don't think it was ever going to be an easy task to identify someone who has had thirteen years to cover up his crime and the only way to do it is by following what evidence there is and adding to it.

So you think he did it then based on no direct evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 04:29:32 PM
So you think he did it then based on no direct evidence?

I think based on the evidence we have he's a likely candidate and as you have said many many times the police will have more
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 04:37:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 03:51:08 PM
So they have based their entire case that Christian Brueckner abducted Maddie on a phone ping?  God forbid!

Have you listened to anything HCW has said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 16, 2020, 04:38:40 PM

Could someone please create a new thread & list all the evidence against Brueckner we keep being told about?



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 16, 2020, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 16, 2020, 04:38:40 PM
Could someone please create a new thread & list all the evidence against Brueckner we keep being told about?

Why don't you do it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 16, 2020, 04:42:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 16, 2020, 04:41:48 PM
Why don't you do it?

Because there isn't any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 16, 2020, 04:53:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 16, 2020, 04:42:10 PM
Because there isn't any.
Post of the Day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 05:05:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 04:29:32 PM
So you think he did it then based on no direct evidence?

I don't know what the evidence is.  But those who do appear to think it is worth trying to strengthen it with further enquiry.

I'm content to leave them to their job and hope for their success.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 16, 2020, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 05:05:57 PM
I don't know what the evidence is.  But those who do appear to think it is worth trying to strengthen it with further enquiry.

I'm content to leave them to their job and hope for their success.
The BEST post of the day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 16, 2020, 05:13:07 PM
So Brueckner gets three more weeks of porridge and bloody Bratwurst before the learned judges say yay or nay on the 6th. August...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-trying-22366444 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-trying-22366444)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 03:42:49 PM
I stated obviously.

Obviously he's highly likely to be involved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 16, 2020, 05:15:13 PM
Gobby motormouth 'ne'er draw a breath' Poulton spouting forth her bitter bile again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9chbyqkaUI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9chbyqkaUI)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 16, 2020, 05:30:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 16, 2020, 05:11:10 PM
The BEST post of the day.


Its all subjective.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 05:32:13 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 16, 2020, 04:42:10 PM
Because there isn't any.

 @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 16, 2020, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 16, 2020, 05:15:13 PM
Gobby motormouth 'ne'er draw a breath' Poulton spouting forth her bitter bile again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9chbyqkaUI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9chbyqkaUI)

And talking a load of ill informed rubbish again...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 05:05:57 PM
I don't know what the evidence is.  But those who do appear to think it is worth trying to strengthen it with further enquiry.

I'm content to leave them to their job and hope for their success.

It ain't rocket science Brietta. The police have admitted that they have no evidence upon which they could rely at trial.  Given that Brueckner is an easy target that tells me they had zilch to begin with and were basically hoping that some informer would come forward.

Their approach has sadly come back to bite them in the ass.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 16, 2020, 05:15:13 PM
Gobby motormouth 'ne'er draw a breath' Poulton spouting forth her bitter bile again..

https://youtu.be/V9chbyqkaUI
She's spot-on imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 05:42:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 05:38:23 PM
She's spot-on imo.

she hasnt got  aclue..imo...doesnt understand phone pings at all

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 16, 2020, 03:34:33 PM
Until Proven Guilty.  There wasn't much of that when it was The McCanns being accused.

What have I accused the McCanns of?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
What have I accused the McCanns of?

your whole demeanor is supportive of anyone who crticises the McCanns and critical of anyone who supports them
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 16, 2020, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 05:38:23 PM
She's spot-on imo.
You should join in with the other conspiracy theorists in Saun Attwood's comments section... imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 05:42:32 PM
she hasnt got  aclue..imo...doesnt understand phone pings at all

What's to understand. There was only a couple of towers in Praia da Luz back then so any phone in the town would be pinging them.  There is no way the police can tie Brueckner's phone down to the Ocean Club Garden apartments.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 05:51:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 03:40:18 PM
I'm pro truth too...you support a policeman who had been convicted of lying in court...I don't see that as pro truth.
Don't you see sceptics attacking supporters....that's more truth but you don't see it

No Davel. It may look like support to those who detest Amaral, but it's not. I see people attacking each other equally too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 16, 2020, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 16, 2020, 05:15:13 PM
Gobby motormouth 'ne'er draw a breath' Poulton spouting forth her bitter bile again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9chbyqkaUI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9chbyqkaUI)

I had a look at some of the comments... Groundhog Day.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 05:53:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 05:47:56 PM
What's to understand. There was only a couple of towers in Praia da Luz back then so any phone in the town would be pinging them.  There is no way the police can tie Brueckner's phone down to the Ocean Club Garden apartments.

have you listened to what poulton's sayin ...obvioulsy not. The germans say that they have evidence maddie is dead and that Breukner did it...thats evidence,..but not proof
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 16, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 05:53:25 PM
have you listened to what poulton's sayin ...obvioulsy not. The germans say that they have evidence maddie is dead and that Breukner did it...thats evidence,..but not proof

Not enough to charge though, so its tenuous at best, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 16, 2020, 05:56:19 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 16, 2020, 05:15:13 PM
Gobby motormouth 'ne'er draw a breath' Poulton spouting forth her bitter bile again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9chbyqkaUI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9chbyqkaUI)




So what is she insinuating?   That Kate got Madeleine's body from who knows where in the glare of the Journalists to meet Gerry at the airport so that they could deposit Madeleine down a well?   Sonia Poulton needs to go to a very dark room and rest I think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 16, 2020, 05:58:19 PM
Sorry Myster I tried to separate my post from yours and failed   *%^^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 16, 2020, 05:35:17 PM
It ain't rocket science Brietta. The police have admitted that they have no evidence upon which they could rely at trial.  Given that Brueckner is an easy target that tells me they had zilch to begin with and were basically hoping that some informer would come forward.

Their approach has sadly come back to bite them in the ass.

I do not think Brueckner was as easy a target as you seem to think, Angelo ... and given that apparently he was forewarned in 2017, if he is a guilty man that was enough time to cover his tracks and tie up loose ends.

No point in arguing about things of which we have no knowledge.

The police have told us only what they want us to know. 

In my opinion we wouldn't yet know even that much if Amaral hadn't sprung that upon them by putting enough information into the public domain to ensure journalists would track Brueckner down and release it precipitately.

I think the only 'ass' in the equation is Amaral who i believe ensured the investigating police were propelled into confirming certain details they were working on before they were ready.

Maybe somebody should ask him why he did that ... and who knows, perhaps someone will.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 16, 2020, 06:23:22 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 16, 2020, 06:05:57 PM
I do not think Brueckner was as easy a target as you seem to think, Angelo ... and given that apparently he was forewarned in 2017, if he is a guilty man that was enough time to cover his tracks and tie up loose ends.

No point in arguing about things of which we have no knowledge.

The police have told us only what they want us to know. 

In my opinion we wouldn't yet know even that much if Amaral hadn't sprung that upon them by putting enough information into the public domain to ensure journalists would track Brueckner down and release it precipitately.

I think the only 'ass' in the equation is Amaral who i believe ensured the investigating police were propelled into confirming certain details they were working on before they were ready.

Maybe somebody should ask him why he did that ... and who knows, perhaps someone will.

Any cites for GA and what he leaked to the press earlier? I believe when GA first talked about a German paedophile being made a scapegoat he actually had Ney in mind not CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 16, 2020, 06:34:10 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 16, 2020, 06:23:22 PM
Any cites for GA and what he leaked to the press earlier? I believe when GA first talked about a German paedophile being made a scapegoat he actually had Ney in mind not CB
Bit of a coincidence that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 16, 2020, 07:02:17 PM
What's Amaral doing blabbing to the media in the middle of a complex investigation potentially involving several missing children?



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 16, 2020, 07:05:11 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 16, 2020, 07:02:17 PM
What's Amaral doing blabbing to the media in the middle of a complex investigation potentially involving several missing children?
Answering questions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 07:43:42 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 16, 2020, 07:02:17 PM
What's Amaral doing blabbing to the media in the middle of a complex investigation potentially involving several missing children?

People have been blabbing to the media since 4th May 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 16, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
Quote from: The General on July 16, 2020, 07:05:11 PM
Answering questions.
It’s not his place to be answering questions about an investigation he is not involved in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 16, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 16, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
It’s not his place to be answering questions about an investigation he is not involved in.

On whose say so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 16, 2020, 08:03:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 16, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
On whose say so.
It’s self evident. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 16, 2020, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 16, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
It’s not his place to be answering questions about an investigation he is not involved in.
He's a talking head for hire just like the rest of them on the carousel.
Seems the press want his opinion. Popular guy and probably making a mint.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 16, 2020, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 16, 2020, 06:23:22 PM
Any cites for GA and what he leaked to the press earlier? I believe when GA first talked about a German paedophile being made a scapegoat he actually had Ney in mind not CB

Amaral said it wasn't Ney when shown his photo.

Former Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral has revealed a German paedophile suspected over Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is not Martin Ney.

Instead he described the suspect only as someone who had been ruled out of the investigation into the missing British youngster in 2008 but later jailed in his home country.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/former-portuguese-police-chief-goncalo-amaral-says-madeleine-mccann-suspect-is-in-german-prison/news-story/13992e3c9cc61ef835a2d95a7f5a7025
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 16, 2020, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: The General on July 16, 2020, 08:08:06 PM
He's a talking head for hire just like the rest of them on the carousel.
Seems the press want his opinion. Popular guy and probably making a mint.
He wasn’t just giving an opinion, he was divulging inside information.   Cite for “popular guy”.  With who?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 16, 2020, 08:38:10 PM
He wasn’t just giving an opinion, he was divulging inside information.   Cite for “popular guy”.  With who?

Was it true then about the scapegoat?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 09:09:05 PM
Was it true then about the scapegoat?

Of course it is obviously not true...CB is obviously  a genuine suspect......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 16, 2020, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 09:09:05 PM
Was it true then about the scapegoat?
That was opinion obviously, what WASN’T opinion was the fact that the prime suspect according to Amaral was a German paedophile.  How did he know this?  Lucky guess?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 09:09:05 PM
Was it true then about the scapegoat?
No.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 09:25:28 PM
I love the way only some of what he said is thought to be  'divulging inside information'. How do people know these things? In my opinion they don't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 16, 2020, 09:28:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 09:25:28 PM
I love the way only some of what he said is thought to be  'divulging inside information'. How do people know these things? In my opinion they don't.
Of course it’s possible to both divulge insider information and offer an opinion.  Do you think the police told Amaral they were looking to create a scapegoat?  That would be unlikely IMO.  More likely is that he was told they were working on building a case against a new suspect and Amaral (nose out of joint that the suspect isn’t a McCann) decided it must be a scapegoat.  Yes, IMO, but my opinion is completely plausible and logical.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 16, 2020, 09:28:49 PM
Of course it’s possible to both divulge insider information and offer an opinion.  Do you think the police told Amaral they were looking to create a scapegoat?  That would be unlikely IMO.  More likely is that he was told they were working on building a case against a new suspect and Amaral (nose out of joint that the suspect isn’t a McCann) decided it must be a scapegoat.  Yes, IMO, but my opinion is completely plausible and logical.

I can imagine the PJ thinking that OG were looking for a scapegoat, which is what Amaral actually said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 16, 2020, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 09:36:49 PM
I can imagine the PJ thinking that OG were looking for a scapegoat, which is what Amaral actually said.

I think anyone who takes any notice of GA,,,the convictewd liar...who according to SF lied to her too...is more than a bit misguided
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 16, 2020, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 09:40:53 PM
I think anyone who takes any notice of GA,,,the convictewd liar...who according to SF lied to her too...is more than a bit misguided

I'd say he jumped the gun with what he said... he didn't do anything different than what Brunt did on Sky News imo. The biggest mistake the PJ made was letting the error ridden (imo) FSS have the forensic evidence for analysis. The should have sent it to Switzerland.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 16, 2020, 09:40:53 PM
I think anyone who takes any notice of GA,,,the convictewd liar...who according to SF lied to her too...is more than a bit misguided

The people who take the most notice of Amaral are those who oppose him imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 17, 2020, 01:21:59 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 16, 2020, 11:20:46 PM
I'd say he jumped the gun with what he said... he didn't do anything different than what Brunt did on Sky News imo. The biggest mistake the PJ made was letting the error ridden (imo) FSS have the forensic evidence for analysis. The should have sent it to Switzerland.

I quite agree Billy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 17, 2020, 08:11:58 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 16, 2020, 11:20:46 PM
I'd say he jumped the gun with what he said... he didn't do anything different than what Brunt did on Sky News imo. The biggest mistake the PJ made was letting the error ridden (imo) FSS have the forensic evidence for analysis. The should have sent it to Switzerland.

I haven't noticed any errors by the FSS in this case, nor by the PT INML either.

I haven't come across a bill for the FSS in the files, which makes me think the UK paid it. If so, who would have been landed with the bill if the samples had gone to Switzerland?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 17, 2020, 08:54:03 AM
What happened to the supposed new revelation on Germany's equivalent to crimewatch, did it not materialise, wrong number?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 17, 2020, 09:21:02 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 16, 2020, 12:01:50 PM
Oh dear.   When the Police ask if any valuables were taken they obviously mean watches, camera, jewellery.   When someone says 'put your valuables in the safe'  would you put your child in it?   FGS

Well it didnt happen like that it was in an of the cuff interview IIRC. not in a police statement.


When someone says 'put your valuables in the safe'  would you put your child in it?   FGS

Well, one that score the valiables were safe.

Unfortunately the children wasnt .just left for the taking in an unlocked room.

I don't believe for one minute CB is the one responsible for the disappearance of Maddie



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 09:33:26 AM
According to the McCanns the media are printing many inaccurate and unsubstantiated stories. They have no family spokesperson and no lawyers, (so Mitchell and Alves can be disregarded apparently). The German police haven't written to them telling them why they believe Madeleine is dead either.

Futhermore, their lives are being disrupted AGAIN.

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

Then we have this load of rubbish - is any of it true?;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8426407/Kate-Gerry-McCann-hit-German-prosecutors-claims.html

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 17, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
Operation Grange Statement: June 19, 2020
The Met received one letter from the BKA on 12 June, which was passed to the family. The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor.
http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 17, 2020, 10:08:49 AM
Quote from: Carana on July 17, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
Operation Grange Statement: June 19, 2020
The Met received one letter from the BKA on 12 June, which was passed to the family. The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor.
http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

Do you know if this also appears on the Met website ?
Seems strange if they only comment via the McCann website - IMO

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 17, 2020, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 17, 2020, 10:08:49 AM
Do you know if this also appears on the Met website ?
Seems strange if they only comment via the McCann website - IMO

Not that I can see for the moment.

The last update seems to be this:
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 17, 2020, 10:37:39 AM
Quote from: Carana on July 17, 2020, 10:29:00 AM
Not that I can see for the moment.

The last update seems to be this:
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826


Yes, that's all I could find too.
Perhaps they think that refuting  a German claim over a letter doesn't warrant a mention on their official site

Is this just McCann PR in action ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 17, 2020, 10:37:39 AM

Yes, that's all I could find too.
Perhaps they think that refuting  a German claim over a letter doesn't warrant a mention on their official site

Is this just McCann PR in action ?

Why should The McCanns need to refute it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 17, 2020, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 17, 2020, 10:37:39 AM

Yes, that's all I could find too.
Perhaps they think that refuting  a German claim over a letter doesn't warrant a mention on their official site

Is this just McCann PR in action ?

Is this just McCann PR in action ?

I believe the mccs won't be very vocal on anything ...it seems they have no PR to speak for them or a Lawyer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 17, 2020, 11:45:14 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 11:26:09 AM
Why should The McCanns need to refute it?

They already did.

There appears no official statement that Grange said the same, so I'm suggesting it might just be propaganda.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 17, 2020, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 17, 2020, 10:37:39 AM

Yes, that's all I could find too.
Perhaps they think that refuting  a German claim over a letter doesn't warrant a mention on their official site

Is this just McCann PR in action ?

For the moment, I'm not sure what any of this is about.

I'd have thought it more sensitive to inform the family prior to announcements in the media. (It's not just the parents, but there is a whole family of elderly relatives and Madeleine's teenage siblings and cousins.)

The German police (prosecutor) are going for a murder investigation (but aren't sharing why), whereas the UK still consider it a missing person one.

In a well-known case in Belgium, two little girls had been assumed dead, when in fact they'd been held captive for ages. Unfortunately, despite a cursory police inspection of the house, they died before the hiding place was eventually discovered.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 17, 2020, 11:45:14 AM
They already did.

There appears no official statement that Grange said the same, so I'm suggesting it might just be propaganda.

But not on their Web Site, so why does this matter?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 17, 2020, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
But not on their Web Site, so why does this matter?

Like everything on this forum, it doesn't really matter at all, but I thought it worthy of comment.
You obvious;y did too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 17, 2020, 12:46:00 PM
Like everything on this forum, it doesn't really matter at all, but I thought it worthy of comment.
You obvious;y did too.

Glad you think it doesn't matter.  So why did you raise the subject?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 17, 2020, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
Glad you think it doesn't matter.  So why did you raise the subject?

Are there subjects in your opinion which shouldn't be brought up this forum?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 17, 2020, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
Glad you think it doesn't matter.  So why did you raise the subject?

Because I thought it worthy of comment --as I just said.
I didn't raise the subject, either, that was Carana
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 17, 2020, 01:03:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2020, 11:50:01 PM
The people who take the most notice of Amaral are those who oppose him imo.

And his devoted fan base?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 01:08:39 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 17, 2020, 01:03:06 PM
And his devoted fan base?

Is there a devoted fan base or is that a rumour circulated by those who support the McCanns?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 17, 2020, 12:52:27 PM
Are there subjects in your opinion which shouldn't be brought up this forum?

One or two.  But they are in The Rules.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 17, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 01:08:39 PM
Is there a devoted fan base or is that a rumour circulated by those who support the McCanns?

there is...do you not remember Tony Bennet wanting to set up Goncal Amaral day....how barmy is that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 02:01:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 17, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
there is...do you not remember Tony Bennet wanting to set up Goncal Amaral day....how barmy is that

Don't forget The Amaral Fund.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 17, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
there is...do you not remember Tony Bennet wanting to set up Goncal Amaral day....how barmy is that

Not really. I assume as there's no such day there's no such thing as a fan base.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 17, 2020, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 17, 2020, 09:21:02 AM
Well it didnt happen like that it was in an of the cuff interview IIRC. not in a police statement.


When someone says 'put your valuables in the safe'  would you put your child in it?   FGS

Well, one that score the valiables were safe.

Unfortunately the children wasnt .just left for the taking in an unlocked room.

I don't believe for one minute CB is the one responsible for the disappearance of Maddie


I'm sorry but anyone with a shred of sense would know what 'were any valuables taken'  meant.   They knew his daughter was missing,  I expect they wanted to know if any valuables were taken to rule out a robbery.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 02:01:34 PM
Don't forget The Amaral Fund.

Did people contribute because they were fans or because they thought it wasn't fair to deny someone the means to defend themselves?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 17, 2020, 02:11:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 02:08:23 PM
Not really. I assume as there's no such day there's no such thing as a fan base.
What strange logic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 17, 2020, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 17, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
there is...do you not remember Tony Bennet wanting to set up Goncal Amaral day....how barmy is that

Did he?   (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 17, 2020, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 02:08:23 PM
Not really. I assume as there's no such day there's no such thing as a fan base.

I didnt say there was such a day...bennet thought it would be agood idea.....he was quite an influential member of the fan base
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 17, 2020, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 02:08:23 PM
Not really. I assume as there's no such day there's no such thing as a fan base.

Try googling this:
To mark the first Goncalo Amaral Day, representatives of The Madeleine Foundation ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 02:37:36 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 17, 2020, 02:14:23 PM
Did he?   (&^&

Yep.  But I don't know what happened to it after Tony Bennett was convicted of stalking The McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 17, 2020, 02:40:12 PM
Is this not all in the past. What has it to do with new German suspect ?

Or are you going to sub-title it as Amaral Mk 2
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 02:46:42 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 17, 2020, 02:40:12 PM
Is this not all in the past. What has it to do with new German suspect ?

Or are you going to sub-title it as Amaral Mk 2

Amaral is at the root of this.  He is the one who put forward The Paedophile Scapegoat Idea because he is terrified of being proved wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 17, 2020, 02:27:13 PM
Try googling this:
To mark the first Goncalo Amaral Day, representatives of The Madeleine Foundation ...

Ah, The Madeleine Foundation. All 20 of them. Not a huge fan base then.

Anthony Bennett launched the Foundation in October. He swiftly mobilised several people who share his cause, and he even found the time to launch a book with his theories. But the resources are scarce and so are his travelling companions.

"We have approximately 20 associates, most of them British, who pay a fee of 10 pounds [11 euros] and who may, if they so desire, offer donations up to 600 pounds [662 euros]", Bennett describes to 24Horas. "We also accept money from non-members, but not over 20 pounds [22 euros] per person".
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id274.htm

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 17, 2020, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 02:48:43 PM
Ah, The Madeleine Foundation. All 20 of them. Not a huge fan base then.

Anthony Bennett launched the Foundation in October. He swiftly mobilised several people who share his cause, and he even found the time to launch a book with his theories. But the resources are scarce and so are his travelling companions.

"We have approximately 20 associates, most of them British, who pay a fee of 10 pounds [11 euros] and who may, if they so desire, offer donations up to 600 pounds [662 euros]", Bennett describes to 24Horas. "We also accept money from non-members, but not over 20 pounds [22 euros] per person".
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id274.htm

He has fans here
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 02:52:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 02:48:43 PM
Ah, The Madeleine Foundation. All 20 of them. Not a huge fan base then.

Anthony Bennett launched the Foundation in October. He swiftly mobilised several people who share his cause, and he even found the time to launch a book with his theories. But the resources are scarce and so are his travelling companions.

"We have approximately 20 associates, most of them British, who pay a fee of 10 pounds [11 euros] and who may, if they so desire, offer donations up to 600 pounds [662 euros]", Bennett describes to 24Horas. "We also accept money from non-members, but not over 20 pounds [22 euros] per person".
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id274.htm

You mean the Bennett who reckons he's got thousand of people registered to CMoMM who all agree with him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 17, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 02:46:42 PM
Amaral is at the root of this.  He is the one who put forward The Paedophile Scapegoat Idea because he is terrified of being proved wrong.

Yet to this day he hasn't, go figure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 17, 2020, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 17, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
Yet to this day he hasn't, go figure.

Celestial teapot argument
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 05:34:30 PM
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5671819/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-b-female-accomplice/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 17, 2020, 05:45:43 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 05:34:30 PM
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5671819/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-b-female-accomplice/

He said she said,the concrete evidence is getting stronger by the day,won't be long now.

The male friend said he was with her when she answered a call from a German man - believed to be Christian B - who told her he was about to rob an empty house.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 17, 2020, 05:51:06 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 05:34:30 PM
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5671819/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-b-female-accomplice/ (https://www.thesun.ie/news/5671819/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-b-female-accomplice/)
Is there a translator in the house?...

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/sexta-as-9-suspeito-da-morte-de-madeleine-implicado-noutro-crime-no-algarve_v1245582 (https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/sexta-as-9-suspeito-da-morte-de-madeleine-implicado-noutro-crime-no-algarve_v1245582)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 17, 2020, 05:56:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 17, 2020, 05:45:43 PM
He said she said,the concrete evidence is getting stronger by the day,won't be long now.

The male friend said he was with her when she answered a call from a German man - believed to be Christian B - who told her he was about to rob an empty house.

And the Sun are calling it a Smoking Gun.

This is it, this is the clincher.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 17, 2020, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 17, 2020, 05:51:06 PM
Is there a translator in the house?...

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/sexta-as-9-suspeito-da-morte-de-madeleine-implicado-noutro-crime-no-algarve_v1245582 (https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/sexta-as-9-suspeito-da-morte-de-madeleine-implicado-noutro-crime-no-algarve_v1245582)
The main suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was allegedly involved in another crime, also filed, half a year after the mystery of Praia da Luz. Two victims of an assault on Galé beach, in Albufeira, told Friday at 9 that they filed a complaint then Christian Bruckner's girlfriend. Today, these two Portuguese women are sure that Bruckner was the robber and Nicole Fehlinger the accomplice and mentor of the theft. In a cunning scheme allegedly assembled by the two, a suitcase with a hundred thousand euros was stolen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 05:34:30 PM
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5671819/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-b-female-accomplice/

"The male friend said he was with her when she answered a call from a German man - believed to be Christian B - who told her he was about to rob an empty house."

Was that the phone call the police were interested in? Unlikely, because Brueckner's (alleged) phone didn't make the call, it received it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 17, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 05:59:15 PM
"The male friend said he was with her when she answered a call from a German man - believed to be Christian B - who told her he was about to rob an empty house."

Was that the phone call the police were interested in? Unlikely, because Brueckner's (alleged) phone didn't make the call, it received it.

I think there were two calls
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 06:04:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 17, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
I think there were two calls

Do you have any evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 17, 2020, 06:06:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 06:04:36 PM
Do you have any evidence?

I read it recently and I'm very  rarely wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 06:12:43 PM
Perhaps Heriberto’s ‘woman in purple’ and as witnessed by Jenny Murat and Jeremy Wilkens at around 20h00 might become significant again?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 17, 2020, 06:14:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 17, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
I think there were two calls

There were.  One made to him and another made later by him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 17, 2020, 06:19:02 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 17, 2020, 05:56:45 PM
The main suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was allegedly involved in another crime, also filed, half a year after the mystery of Praia da Luz. Two victims of an assault on Galé beach, in Albufeira, told Friday at 9 that they filed a complaint then Christian Bruckner's girlfriend. Today, these two Portuguese women are sure that Bruckner was the robber and Nicole Fehlinger the accomplice and mentor of the theft. In a cunning scheme allegedly assembled by the two, a suitcase with a hundred thousand euros was stolen.
So that's why a nouveau riche Brueckner could splash out on a 30' Winnebago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 17, 2020, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 05:59:15 PM
"The male friend said he was with her when she answered a call from a German man - believed to be Christian B - who told her he was about to rob an empty house."

Was that the phone call the police were interested in? Unlikely, because Brueckner's (alleged) phone didn't make the call, it received it.

It was six months after the event.

I think the suggestion is that he sometimes did not work alone when committing criminal acts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 17, 2020, 06:19:02 PM
So that's why a nouveau riche Brueckner could splash out on a 30' Winnebago.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-had-female-22374318
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 06:51:03 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
Jenny Murat’s description: She’s described as a slim, Portuguese-looking woman, wearing a plum-coloured top and white skirt, long, dark swept-back hair, spotted at 20:00 standing under a street light at the crossroads 40 feet away from the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 07:34:27 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
Jenny Murat’s description: She’s described as a slim, Portuguese-looking woman, wearing a plum-coloured top and white skirt, long, dark swept-back hair, spotted at 20:00 standing under a street light at the crossroads 40 feet away from the apartment.

May I ask where you found that description please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 17, 2020, 07:56:44 PM
Here's Tanner in her flip flops and plum top

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/R/6_12_VOLUME_XIIa_Processo_Page_3269.jpg)

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/R/8_12_VOLUME_XIIa_Processo_Page_3270.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lWXrpwC28yU/R15k60e2uOI/AAAAAAAAAw4/ZcIglP2syJA/s1600/maddie_16_02.jpg)

I left the apartment and turned right. I walked via the lower street, looked to the building block where the McCann apartment was situated and saw a woman dressed in purple clothing. I referred to this woman in relation to the questions asked by Jane Tanner.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.ht

The purple woman nonsense was cleared a long time ago! It was Jane Tanner as CCTV proves she was wearing that plum/purple top on 3 May 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 17, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 17, 2020, 07:56:44 PM
Here's Tanner in her flip flops and plum top

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/R/6_12_VOLUME_XIIa_Processo_Page_3269.jpg)

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/R/8_12_VOLUME_XIIa_Processo_Page_3270.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lWXrpwC28yU/R15k60e2uOI/AAAAAAAAAw4/ZcIglP2syJA/s1600/maddie_16_02.jpg)

I left the apartment and turned right. I walked via the lower street, looked to the building block where the McCann apartment was situated and saw a woman dressed in purple clothing. I referred to this woman in relation to the questions asked by Jane Tanner.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

I think Jane is attractively curvy rather than thin
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 17, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 17, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
I think Jane is attractively curvy rather than thin

It was Jane Tanner as CCTV proves she was wearing that plum/purple top on 3 May 2007. Jez Wilkins named her as the woman in purple!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 17, 2020, 08:10:33 PM
More on Nicole Fehlinger...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8534831/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-girlfriend-finally-unmasked.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8534831/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-girlfriend-finally-unmasked.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 17, 2020, 08:17:28 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 17, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
It was Jane Tanner as CCTV proves she was wearing that plum/purple top on 3 May 2007. Jez Wilkins named her as the woman in purple!

theres not only one purple top in the world
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 17, 2020, 08:27:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 17, 2020, 08:17:28 PM
theres not only one purple top in the world

Good luck finding her  @)(++(* You can waste another 13 years searching for something that does not exist  8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 08:29:56 PM
Wolters is accusing the Mirror of putting words into his mouth that he didn't say. Well I never!

Madeleine "Maddie" McCann has been missing since 2007. The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig caused a shock in the unresolved missing person case on June 4: "We assume that the girl is dead," said prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters at a press conference. The British newspaper " Mirror " now quoted him in an exclusive interview saying that this statement was "Personal opinion and speculation" - personal opinion and speculation. So could Maddie still be alive? At regionalHoday.de's request, Wolters declares that he never made this statement.
https://regionalheute.de/maddie-mccann-doch-nicht-tot-britische-zeitung-feuert-gegen-braunschweiger-ermittler-1592226745/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 17, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Well there you go, if you can't believe what you see in the mirror, what can you believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 17, 2020, 08:33:33 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 17, 2020, 08:27:02 PM
Good luck finding her  @)(++(* You can waste another 13 years searching for something that does not exist  8)--))

Unfortunately I've been quite busy over the last 13 so haven't really looked
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 09:05:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 07:34:27 PM
May I ask where you found that description please?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-purple-prime-suspect-madeleine-10336719
One of many in the media at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 09:07:58 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 17, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
It was Jane Tanner as CCTV proves she was wearing that plum/purple top on 3 May 2007. Jez Wilkins named her as the woman in purple!
Did Wilkins know who Jane Tanner was at the time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 17, 2020, 09:12:40 PM
Madeleine McCann: Mystery ‘woman in purple’ finally identified 10 years after toddler's disappearance

Heriberto Janosch Gonzalez says the woman – who Scotland Yard detectives have wanted to speak to for the best part of a decade – is former Bulgarian waitress Luisa Todorov.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/madeleine-mccann-mystery-woman-purple-finally-identified-10-years-toddlers-disappearance-140868

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 09:15:39 PM
Tanner did not have black hair during the time and she did not have a slim appearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 09:21:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 17, 2020, 09:12:40 PM
Madeleine McCann: Mystery ‘woman in purple’ finally identified 10 years after toddler's disappearance

Heriberto Janosch Gonzalez says the woman – who Scotland Yard detectives have wanted to speak to for the best part of a decade – is former Bulgarian waitress Luisa Todorov.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/madeleine-mccann-mystery-woman-purple-finally-identified-10-years-toddlers-disappearance-140868
Heriberto said on his blog and in a pm that Luisa Todorov was not the woman he thought to be the person in purple a long time ago. Heri is the first to acknowledge when he is wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 17, 2020, 10:18:45 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 09:05:57 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-purple-prime-suspect-madeleine-10336719
One of many in the media at the time.

Thanks, I hadn't seen the 40m bit before. Have you ever wondered why she never put her story about this woman in her police statement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 17, 2020, 11:17:09 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 09:21:22 PM
Heriberto said on his blog and in a pm that Luisa Todorov was not the woman he thought to be the person in purple a long time ago. Heri is the first to acknowledge when he is wrong.

but how do his stories get out to the press so quickly? The one he had of the van ( that a few of us sad was NOT a VW) was in The Sun within hours  IIRC.   It's the creation of myth IMO, am I allowed to have that opinion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 18, 2020, 08:27:47 AM
Is this the startling revelation, won't be long for charges.

More fuel for the legend.

When the legend becomes fact,print the legend.


Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner’s ‘girlfriend accomplice' is finally unmasked, sparking new hopes she could be key to unlocking mystery of the three-year-old’s disappearance


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8534831/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-girlfriend-finally-unmasked.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 18, 2020, 08:35:40 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 17, 2020, 11:17:09 PM
but how do his stories get out to the press so quickly? The one he had of the van ( that a few of us sad was NOT a VW) was in The Sun within hours  IIRC.   It's the creation of myth IMO, am I allowed to have that opinion?

I think the answer is quite obvious
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2020, 09:02:52 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 18, 2020, 08:35:40 AM
I think the answer is quite obvious

Bell Pottinger??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 09:04:04 AM
https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/sexta-as-9
The full version.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 18, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2020, 09:02:52 AM
Bell Pottinger??

Nope
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2020, 09:09:14 AM
Journalism at its worst from the Daily Fail.....
Quote
"They claimed she acted as his accomplice to raid properties in the Algarve with chilling similarity to the break-in at the McCanns' holiday home in 2007".

Shocking!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
Interesting that despite the view he left the Algarve to distance himself from the MM crime scene he's now back there six months later.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 18, 2020, 09:14:39 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
Interesting that despite the view he left the Algarve to distance himself from the MM crime scene he's now back there six months later.

As he may well have committed two rapes and several other crimes....he may well have realised what a soft touch portugals justice system was
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 18, 2020, 09:33:34 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
Interesting that despite the view he left the Algarve to distance himself from the MM crime scene he's now back there six months later.

Did he ever leave, interesting the money came from a robbery not from selling live commodity, no link what so ever to the disappearance in the article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 18, 2020, 09:43:59 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
Interesting that despite the view he left the Algarve to distance himself from the MM crime scene he's now back there six months later.
And what was the situation like in Portugal six months later?  Yes that's right - parents are the prime suspects and despised by the entire nation for hiding their child's body and the police not searching for a body and not looking for anyone else.  Quite safe to return by then if you were the actual perpetrator I would think
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 18, 2020, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 18, 2020, 09:43:59 AM
And what was the situation like in Portugal six months later?  Yes that's right - parents are the prime suspects and despised by the entire nation for hiding their child's body and the police not searching for a body and not looking for anyone else.  Quite safe to return by then if you were the actual perpetrator I would think

... and having a good command of English who is to say he did not join 'the Three Arguidos forum' or one like it, to give him a platform to voice an opinion there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 18, 2020, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 18, 2020, 10:13:30 AM
... and having a good command of English who is to say he did not join 'the Three Arguidos forum' or one like it, to give him a platform to voice an opinion there.

Tony Bennett would love that.  He would start a Fund for him, no sweat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 18, 2020, 10:57:46 AM
Wonder what stance this will take ....Imo it will be more brainwashing but we will have to see.


Julie Anne Etchingham

https://i.servimg.com/u/f51/19/98/49/02/itv10.jpg

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 18, 2020, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 18, 2020, 10:57:46 AM
Wonder what stance this will take ....Imo it will be more brainwashing but we will have to see.


Julie Anne Etchingham

https://i.servimg.com/u/f51/19/98/49/02/itv10.jpg

I think its sceptics in general who have been brainwashed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 18, 2020, 11:09:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 18, 2020, 10:13:30 AM
... and having a good command of English who is to say he did not join 'the Three Arguidos forum' or one like it, to give him a platform to voice an opinion there.

Well it is true that joining a forum does mean that a paedophile can hide in plain sight.....look at Nigel Nessling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 18, 2020, 11:19:14 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 18, 2020, 10:57:46 AM
Wonder what stance this will take ....Imo it will be more brainwashing but we will have to see.


Julie Anne Etchingham

https://i.servimg.com/u/f51/19/98/49/02/itv10.jpg (https://i.servimg.com/u/f51/19/98/49/02/itv10.jpg)
Oh, good... thinking man's crumpet.  Must watch.  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 18, 2020, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 18, 2020, 11:19:14 AM
Oh, good... thinking man's crumpet.  Must watch.  8((()*/

Thought that was Joan Bakewell.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 18, 2020, 11:41:07 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 18, 2020, 10:57:46 AM
Wonder what stance this will take ....Imo it will be more brainwashing but we will have to see.


Julie Anne Etchingham

https://i.servimg.com/u/f51/19/98/49/02/itv10.jpg

bet she's not a patch on Bilton of the beeb with his furry mike.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 18, 2020, 11:46:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 18, 2020, 11:40:10 AM
Thought that was Joan Bakewell.
Out of my age bracket, I'm afraid... and a doyen of the Labour Party.  %56&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 18, 2020, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 18, 2020, 11:46:07 AM
Out of my age bracket, I'm afraid... and a doyen of the Labour Party.  %56&

Not a supporter of the Labour Party ? Now there’s a surprise  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 18, 2020, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 17, 2020, 09:15:39 PM
Tanner did not have black hair during the time and she did not have a slim appearance.

Jane Tanner was wearing that same coloured top on 3 May 2007 that Jenny Murat saw.

"It was the middle of the evening and I saw the woman standing on the corner of the street just watching intently.

"I noticed her there and she kind of looked as if she was trying to hide from me. I do remember she was wearing a plum-coloured top.” Jenny Murat
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 18, 2020, 01:10:10 PM
Jane Tanner was wearing that same coloured top on 3 May 2007 that Jenny Murat saw.

"It was the middle of the evening and I saw the woman standing on the corner of the street just watching intently.

"I noticed her there and she kind of looked as if she was trying to hide from me. I do remember she was wearing a plum-coloured top.” Jenny Murat
Did Jenny Murat identify Jane Tanner as such?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 01:28:23 PM
From the PJ files: ‘At about 19.00 they all went back to their own apartments with the children. The witness bathed her children, read them a story and put them to bed. E**e who was unwell and having trouble sleeping, stayed with her father, who had arrived in the meantime. The witness went for dinner at the Tapas restaurant at about 20.30’. Tanner was not outside her apartment at 20h00.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 18, 2020, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 01:22:58 PM
Did Jenny Murat identify Jane Tanner as such?

She said she saw the woman staring in the direction of apartment 5A so from her vehicle angle she would not have got a good look at her face to be able to recognise her. But she did notice the purple top that Jane was wearing as CCTV proves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 18, 2020, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 01:28:23 PM
From the PJ files: ‘At about 19.00 they all went back to their own apartments with the children. The witness bathed her children, read them a story and put them to bed. E**e who was unwell and having trouble sleeping, stayed with her father, who had arrived in the meantime. The witness went for dinner at the Tapas restaurant at about 20.30’. Tanner was not outside her apartment at 20h00.

Jez Wilkins saw her outside in purple (imagine that lol) and that was not in her statement i.e that she was loitering outside.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 18, 2020, 03:36:18 PM
Nicole Fehlinger unmasked...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536519/Pictured-Girlfriend-accomplice-McCann-suspect-seen-time-unmasked.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536519/Pictured-Girlfriend-accomplice-McCann-suspect-seen-time-unmasked.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 18, 2020, 04:57:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 18, 2020, 08:27:47 AM
Is this the startling revelation, won't be long for charges.

More fuel for the legend.

When the legend becomes fact,print the legend.


Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner’s ‘girlfriend accomplice' is finally unmasked, sparking new hopes she could be key to unlocking mystery of the three-year-old’s disappearance


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8534831/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-girlfriend-finally-unmasked.html

Quote from: Myster on July 18, 2020, 03:36:18 PM
Nicole Fehlinger unmasked...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536519/Pictured-Girlfriend-accomplice-McCann-suspect-seen-time-unmasked.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536519/Pictured-Girlfriend-accomplice-McCann-suspect-seen-time-unmasked.html)
This sums it up.

Neither Brueckner or Fehlinger have been arrested or charged with this offence and it is not known whether the allegations are credible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 18, 2020, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 18, 2020, 04:57:17 PM
This sums it up.

Neither Brueckner or Fehlinger have been arrested or charged with this offence and it is not known whether the allegations are credible.

Which Beatle does she resemble?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 18, 2020, 02:33:31 PM
Jez Wilkins saw her outside in purple (imagine that lol) and that was not in her statement i.e that she was loitering outside.
Perhaps it is not in her statement since it was not her loitering outside?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 18, 2020, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 05:26:10 PM
Perhaps it is not in her statement since it was not her loitering outside?

But Wilkins knew who she was and recognised her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 07:54:42 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 18, 2020, 06:02:54 PM
But Wilkins knew who she was and recognised her.
Has it been established that Wilkins knew Tanner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 18, 2020, 08:38:48 PM
Yes Jez is in her 4 May 2007 statement. They played tennis with him.

"At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name." Jez
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 09:00:59 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 18, 2020, 08:38:48 PM
Yes Jez is in her 4 May 2007 statement. They played tennis with him.

"At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name." Jez
Yet Tanner did not recognise Totman whom she watched playing tennis with Gerry, as the person she saw carrying a girl from block 5.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 18, 2020, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 09:00:59 PM
Yet Tanner did not recognise Totman whom she watched playing tennis with Gerry, as the person she saw carrying a girl from block 5.

Good one.  I never have believed it was Totman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 18, 2020, 09:10:35 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 09:00:59 PM
Yet Tanner did not recognise Totman whom she watched playing tennis with Gerry, as the person she saw carrying a girl from block 5.

Perhaps that says something about her powers of observation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 18, 2020, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 18, 2020, 09:08:00 PM
Good one.  I never have believed it was Totman.

Operation Grange are unlikely to return to Tanner's sighting, nevertheless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 18, 2020, 09:15:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 18, 2020, 09:13:30 PM
Operation Grange are unlikely to return to Tanner's sighting, nevertheless.

Are the Germans interested?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 18, 2020, 09:19:23 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 18, 2020, 09:15:07 PM
Are the Germans interested?

They would have to go to Luz if they are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 18, 2020, 11:26:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 09:00:59 PM
Yet Tanner did not recognise Totman whom she watched playing tennis with Gerry, as the person she saw carrying a girl from block 5.

From that distance away I'm not surprised she did not recognise Totman because she turned left on to the pathway and did not pass Gerry or Jez IMO.

This is interesting in the McCanns first statements about Jane's sighting. They believe she saw the man when she left the tapas entrance and got onto the street i.e. from a long distance away.

"It is emphasised that one of the members of the group, Jane, at about 21.10 - 21.15 when she was going to her apartment to check on her children, she saw from the back, at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road bordering the club, an individual from the rear end;  carrying a child, wearing pyjamas, Jane will be able to clarify this situation."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

"Later, a member of the group, Russell's partner Jane, when she went to her apartment to see her children at around 9.15pm, saw from the back [rear] about 50 metres away, on the perimeter road of the club, a long-haired person, in what she thinks were jeans, with a child in his arms and walking very quickly. But she is better able to tell you about that herself."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 18, 2020, 11:37:04 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 07:54:42 PM
Has it been established that Wilkins knew Tanner?

Yes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 11:58:53 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 18, 2020, 11:37:04 PM
Yes.
During his stay or after Madeleine disappeared?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 19, 2020, 12:00:14 AM
Pictures prove Portuguese police knew Madeleine McCann suspect's sordid past
EXCLUSIVE Portuguese cops did know about Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner’s paedophile past - but they failed to investigate him at crucial time


Portuguese cops did know about Christian Brueckner’s paedophile past (Image: Supplied)
EXCLUSIVE Portuguese cops did know about Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner’s paedophile past - but they failed to investigate him at crucial time

Police mugshots have emerged which show ­Portuguese cops DID know about Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner’s paedophile past.

A series of images of the German were taken in Faro in July 1999 – eight years before Madeleine was abducted in Praia da Luz, 60 miles away.

The pictures – never made public before – were in court files obtained exclusively by the Sunday Mirror.

Brueckner was 22 and was being extradited to his native Germany over a playground assault on a girl of six in 1994.

He served two years in jail before returning to his old stomping ground in Portugal.


Bruckner at an Algarve police station (Image: Supplied)

Brueckner was never investigated at the time of the disappearance (Image: Supplied)
Brueckner raped a woman of 72 in 2005 and is suspected of a string of burglaries at holiday properties like the one Madeleine was staying in.

A phone call allegedly links him to Praia the night ­Madeleine vanished.

And these pictures show he was on the files of Portuguese police all along.

Last night experts said the pictures raised further questions about why Brueckner was not considered a suspect when Madeleine vanished.


Madeleine McCann vanished in 2007 (Image: PA)
Former detective Mark Williams-Thomas said: “So in 1999 Christian Brueckner came to the attention of the Portuguese police, having committed a sexual offence against a child.

"It is now clear police failed to trace, interview and eliminate a local child sex offender.

"Had they done so, Brueckner would have been flagged up as a significant person of interest and potential forensic evidence obtained from his campervan.

“This new information just reveals more incompetence with the initial investigation.”

The main photo shows Brueckner in white trousers, a smart top and groomed hair.

It contrasts with a police mugshot taken in Italy in 2018 showing him ravaged by years of drink and drug abuse.


Brueckner is the chief suspect (Image: ITALIAN CARABINIERI PRESS OFFICE)
The drifter, 43, is serving a 21-month drug sentence in Kiel prison, Germany.

He was also given a seven-year sentence for the 2005 rape but is appealing against that conviction on a technicality.

Brueckner was named last month as a suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance.

German prosecutors fear he kidnapped and killed Madeleine, three, after breaking into the McCanns’ flat in May 2007.

Ten days ago police searched three wells but failed to find any trace of Madeleine.

The abandoned wells are a 15-minute drive from Brueckner’s rented cottage outside Praia and near a beach where he used to park his VW van.

Madeleine’s parents Gerry and Kate, from Rothley, Leics, are clinging to the hope she is still alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 19, 2020, 12:01:50 AM
Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian B called by phone linked to a paedophile on night she vanished
Michael Hamilton18 Jul 2020,
THE prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case was called from a phone linked to a paedophile on the night she vanished.

Pervert Christian B spent 30 minutes on the mystery call.

Pervert Christian B spent 30 minutes on the mystery call to a phone linked to a paedophile
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Pervert Christian B spent 30 minutes on the mystery call to a phone linked to a paedophileCredit: Rex Features
The call from the paedophile-linked phone was on the same day that Madeleine McCann vanished
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The call from the paedophile-linked phone was on the same day that Madeleine McCann vanishedCredit: AFP
A Brit private investigator found the number was once linked to another German paedo.

Former cop Mark Williams-Thomas, who exposed Jimmy Savile, said: “It is hugely significant that a paedophile operating in Germany on the dark web, discussing and exchanging child abuse material, held the number that called B.

“It is a huge coincidence that the user is — like B — German and also uses the dark web to discuss the sexual abuse of children. The question that now needs answering is did the suspect hold that number in 2007?

“And, if he did, what were two dangerous paedophiles discussing in a call an hour or so before Madeleine disappeared.”

The three-year-old vanished from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007.

Parents Kate and Gerry were out at a nearby tapas restaurant.

Mr Williams-Thomas worked with online paedophile hunters to investigate the number. He has passed his findings to German and British cops.

The probe found the account holder was using the dark web to share child abuse images and their own stories of child abuse.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 01:41:44 AM
Quote from: Anthro on July 18, 2020, 11:58:53 PM
During his stay or after Madeleine disappeared?

You know this. It has already been posted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 19, 2020, 05:03:07 AM
Did Brueckner have a deformed left jaw?  It appears that in the frontal colour photo his left jaw is wonky, but in the b&w side view it's the right jaw.  Maybe the latter photo has been flipped unknowingly by the newspaper?  Attached is the b&w right-side view which I flipped so that it appears as the left-side.

Could it be that this deformity (it it is one) was the reason that Tasmin S. refererred to the person she saw as ugly (in addition to his acned face)?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pictures-prove-portuguese-police-knew-22378521 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pictures-prove-portuguese-police-knew-22378521)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 11:10:27 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 19, 2020, 05:03:07 AM
Did Brueckner have a deformed left jaw?  It appears that in the frontal colour photo his left jaw is wonky, but in the b&w side view it's the right jaw.  Maybe the latter photo has been flipped unknowingly by the newspaper?  Attached is the b&w right-side view which I flipped so that it appears as the left-side.

Could it be that this deformity (it it is one) was the reason that Tasmin S. refererred to the person she saw as ugly (in addition to his acned face)?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pictures-prove-portuguese-police-knew-22378521 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pictures-prove-portuguese-police-knew-22378521)

Why do you think the Germans, when releasing Brueckner’s description, didn’t mention his very noticeable acne-scarred face or indeed is deformed jaw ? Both would have been very helpful with identification you would have thought. The description they did release:

‘ The man is white with short blond hair, possibly fair, and about 6ft tall with a slim build at the time Madeleine, then three, vanished on May 3, 2007.’

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 19, 2020, 11:50:46 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 11:10:27 AM
Why do you think the Germans, when releasing Brueckner’s description, didn’t mention his very noticeable acne-scarred face or indeed is deformed jaw ? Both would have been very helpful with identification you would have thought. The description they did release:

‘ The man is white with short blond hair, possibly fair, and about 6ft tall with a slim build at the time Madeleine, then three, vanished on May 3, 2007.’
There's something wrong with his jaw, whether left or right... maybe you just don't see it.  His left eye has also gone AWOL in the contemporary Italian mugshot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 11:58:48 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 19, 2020, 11:50:46 AM
There's something wrong with his jaw, whether left or right... maybe you just don't see it.  His left eye has also gone AWOL in the contemporary Italian mugshot.

Sorry Myster but that just nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 19, 2020, 12:04:13 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 11:58:48 AM
Sorry Myster but that just nonsense.
Nowhere near as much nonsense as your avatar!  Take off your bottle-bottomed specs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 19, 2020, 12:04:13 PM
Nowhere near as much nonsense as your avatar!  Take off your bottle-bottomed specs.

If you want to attack my politics there’s a board for that. This is about the McCann case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 19, 2020, 12:17:11 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 19, 2020, 12:04:13 PM
Nowhere near as much nonsense as your avatar!  Take off your bottle-bottomed specs.

It’s spot on... The government put massive pressure on staff to discharge potential Covid 19 patients out of hospitals and into care homes without proper testing.... but we should get back on topic!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 19, 2020, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 12:13:43 PM
If you want to attack my politics there’s a board for that. This is about the McCann case.
Trouble is, no-one can avoid your Lefty politics because your irritating, gratuitous avatar is present on every one you visit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 19, 2020, 12:32:25 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11804930/madeleine-cops-warned-german-based-child-trafficker/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 12:42:22 PM

I still can't get my head around this.  My mind is a blank on whether or not he could be guilty.  This is most unusual for me.  I normally manage some sort of an opinion.

Am I being spooked do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 19, 2020, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 19, 2020, 12:32:25 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11804930/madeleine-cops-warned-german-based-child-trafficker/

Yet when SY took up the mantle they never looked in that direction did they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 19, 2020, 12:47:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 12:42:22 PM
I still can't get my head around this.  My mind is a blank on whether or not he could be guilty.  This is most unusual for me.  I normally manage some sort of an opinion.

Am I being spooked do you think?

I'll believe he's guilty when a foreman of a jury  or a Judge says so, until then he's not and the links to the disappearance are not hard or even concrete despite some wishing it to be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 12:50:29 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 19, 2020, 12:19:47 PM
Trouble is, no-one can avoid your Lefty politics because your irritating, gratuitous avatar is present on every one you visit.

Then don’t look....it really is that simple.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 19, 2020, 12:55:30 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 19, 2020, 12:19:47 PM
Trouble is, no-one can avoid your Lefty politics because your irritating, gratuitous avatar is present on every one you visit.

It’s not likely that she’s been trafficked imo. She wouldn’t fit the typical demographic. It would be far more likely (if a case of rare stranger abduction) that she would be the victim of a sexual predator and murdered within hours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 19, 2020, 12:47:54 PM
I'll believe he's guilty when a foreman of a jury  or a Judge says so, until then he's not and the links to the disappearance are not hard or even concrete despite some wishing it to be.

I hope this applies to The McCanns, in your opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 19, 2020, 01:12:34 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 19, 2020, 12:19:47 PM
Trouble is, no-one can avoid your Lefty politics because your irritating, gratuitous avatar is present on every one you visit.
That was the intention, obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 19, 2020, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 01:08:11 PM
I hope this applies to The McCanns, in your opinion.

Are you inferring I've ever said different?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 01:58:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 19, 2020, 12:45:32 PM
Yet when SY took up the mantle they never looked in that direction did they?

They did.

Don't you remember the much derided episode of the burglars questioned as arguidos a few years ago?

The British police were only allowed to do what they were allowed to do ~ a situation which could have been addressed by a much needed joint working agreement to which if memory serves me well the Portuguese were averse.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 02:07:33 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 19, 2020, 12:47:54 PM
I'll believe he's guilty when a foreman of a jury  or a Judge says so, until then he's not and the links to the disappearance are not hard or even concrete despite some wishing it to be.

Since I will never be in the position to influence the legalities of Brueckner's existence ... I reserve the right to say what I think about him and what I think may or may not be the situation regarding him and Madeleine's abduction.

Might I say it is becoming a bit rich that a section of society which have taken extraordinary measures to trample Madeleine McCann's parents and her extended family et al ... have seen the light and adopted the righteousness of the rights to be enjoyed by Brueckner but denied by them to the McCanns.

Makes me want to spit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 02:16:07 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 01:08:11 PM
I hope this applies to The McCanns, in your opinion.

The thing is ... it never has.

The best one can hope for is that the comparison between what is rightly thought proper for a low life like Brueckner allows it to dawn that the treatment gratuitously dished out to Madeleine's family over the years has been seriously wrong.

I doubt it though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 02:07:33 PM
Since I will never be in the position to influence the legalities of Brueckner's existence ... I reserve the right to say what I think about him and what I think may or may not be the situation regarding him and Madeleine's abduction.

Might I say it is becoming a bit rich that a section of society which have taken extraordinary measures to trample Madeleine McCann's parents and her extended family et al ... have seen the light and adopted the righteousness of the rights to be enjoyed by Brueckner but denied by them to the McCanns.

Makes me want to spit.

Can’t you see the irony in your post ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 02:35:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 19, 2020, 01:43:57 PM
Are you inferring I've ever said different?

Certainly not.  But you might have said so.

But then so many of you haven't been doing this for very long.  And so it is a bit of a joke.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 02:07:33 PM
Since I will never be in the position to influence the legalities of Brueckner's existence ... I reserve the right to say what I think about him and what I think may or may not be the situation regarding him and Madeleine's abduction.

Might I say it is becoming a bit rich that a section of society which have taken extraordinary measures to trample Madeleine McCann's parents and her extended family et al ... have seen the light and adopted the righteousness of the rights to be enjoyed by Brueckner but denied by them to the McCanns.

Makes me want to spit.

Ah, but I saw it coming.  I knew that this would happen.  But the hypocrisy still leaves me stunned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 02:16:07 PM
The thing is ... it never has.

The best one can hope for is that the comparison between what is rightly thought proper for a low life like Brueckner allows it to dawn that the treatment gratuitously dished out to Madeleine's family over the years has been seriously wrong.

I doubt it though.

Nasty people with no hope.  This is actually sad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 02:40:28 PM
Ah, but I saw it coming.  I knew that this would happen.  But the hypocrisy still leaves me stunned.

I thought you believed in the presumption of innocence ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 03:07:21 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 02:42:41 PM
I thought you believed in the presumption of innocence ?

I most certainly do.  I am talking about the Rights of The McCanns.  Sauce for the goose as it were.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 19, 2020, 03:19:16 PM
Mark Williams-Thomas posted on Twitter that the call from the unidentified owner to Brückner was in fact from a prisoner in Germany. It could be Martin Ney since he worked for an evangelical organisation during May 2007? My thinking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 19, 2020, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 19, 2020, 03:19:16 PM
Mark Williams-Thomas posted on Twitter that the call from the unidentified owner to Brückner was in fact from a prisoner in Germany. It could be Martin Ney since he worked for an evangelical organisation during May 2007? My thinking.

Interesting.
If true it would mean that the phone call had nothing to do with carrying out any abduction and isn't going to help link Brueckner to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 19, 2020, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 19, 2020, 03:19:16 PM
Mark Williams-Thomas posted on Twitter that the call from the unidentified owner to Brückner was in fact from a prisoner in Germany. It could be Martin Ney since he worked for an evangelical organisation during May 2007? My thinking.

How strange. What was he doing with a Portuguese mobile phone in a German prison?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 19, 2020, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 19, 2020, 03:30:38 PM
How strange. What was he doing with a Portuguese mobile phone in a German prison?
I also wonder about that. Was it possible at the time, to buy sim cards for a particular country across Europe?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 03:07:21 PM
I most certainly do.  I am talking about the Rights of The McCanns.  Sauce for the goose as it were.

The law bestows on us all the presumption of innocence, not just those like.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 06:21:15 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 06:09:37 PM
The law bestows on us all the presumption of innocence, not just those like.

I haven't seen much of that on here over the years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 06:29:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 06:21:15 PM
I haven't seen much of that on here over the years.

On either side. People will speculate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 07:08:41 PM
“Forget bench coaches. The bites of those who know nothing. Read it. Look. But open-minded.

I have never seen a suspect like Bruckner: with so much evidence to put him at the scene of the crime at the time of the crime with a past that allows us to guess, but not prove, what he may have done.

It is not the perfect suspect. He's a pedophile and he's been with us for 22 years.

In the same years that Rui Pedro, Joana and Madeleine disappeared.

Bruckner is not a pedophile because there are complaints.
He is a pedophile convicted and extradited to serve time in Germany.

Did he commit this crime? Will it be associated with others? We do not know. We don`t know yet. But it is our obligation to find out ”,
  ... continued the RTP journalist, (Sandra Felgueiras) who has followed Maddie's case since the beginning.

https://www.hiper.fm/sandra-felgueiras-critica-goncalo-amaral-no-caso-maddie-so-podemos-falar-o-que-podemos-provar/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 07:11:12 PM
“And now, ladies and gentlemen, it's not just about Madeleine anymore.

It is about the safety of our children. And to know who walks among us!

This new clue can help us to discover many inconvenient truths that have been hidden for decades in our apparent safe Portugal.

Hence the public interest in this investigation.
Discovering the truth should never tire us. It must unease us. And take us to a deeper knowledge (…) The German police just want to close another case.

I want to know more about my country (…) in me, there is only one goal: to discover the truth. Whatever it is, ”

Sandra Felgueiras
https://www.hiper.fm/sandra-felgueiras-critica-goncalo-amaral-no-caso-maddie-so-podemos-falar-o-que-podemos-provar/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 19, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 07:11:12 PM
“And now, ladies and gentlemen, it's not just about Madeleine anymore.

It is about the safety of our children. And to know who walks among us!

This new clue can help us to discover many inconvenient truths that have been hidden for decades in our apparent safe Portugal.

Hence the public interest in this investigation.
Discovering the truth should never tire us. It must unease us. And take us to a deeper knowledge (…) The German police just want to close another case.

I want to know more about my country (…) in me, there is only one goal: to discover the truth. Whatever it is, ”

Sandra Felgueiras
https://www.hiper.fm/sandra-felgueiras-critica-goncalo-amaral-no-caso-maddie-so-podemos-falar-o-que-podemos-provar/
Yeah but her looks have faded (allegedly) so we can just heap scorn on her and ignore the stupid bint.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 07:23:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 19, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Yeah but her looks have faded (allegedly) so we can just heap scorn on her and ignore the stupid bint.

She sounds a bit cross to me, because she got taken for a fool.  Beware The Ides of whatever.  This one can do much damage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 07:47:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 07:23:36 PM
She sounds a bit cross to me, because she got taken for a fool.  Beware The Ides of whatever.  This one can do much damage.

When considering SF we must never forget that she did the ‘ask the dogs’ interview with the parents long after she knew what was in the files and was ‘taken for a ride’ by Amaral. If she knew there was nothing in the allegations against them why give them such a hard time ?

Being asked to take part in the Netflix documentary does seem to have hastened her road to Damascus moment....before that she really hadn’t been part of the case narrative for years.

If she was such a bad journalist when she harangued the parents do you really think that she’s got any better...or is she simply making the most of the opportunities sent her way ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 19, 2020, 08:32:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 19, 2020, 03:30:38 PM
How strange. What was he doing with a Portuguese mobile phone in a German prison?

MWT hasn't got a clue  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 19, 2020, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 19, 2020, 08:32:35 PM
MWT hasn't got a clue  @)(++(*

with respect...imo...based on the evidence...you dont have  a clue.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 19, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Yeah but her looks have faded (allegedly) so we can just heap scorn on her and ignore the stupid bint.

We probably all wish we still looked as good (at least as less wrinkly) as we did thirteen years ago ... anyway, I think Sandra is still a stunning woman woman whose voice makes the Portuguese language sing.  Beauty and brains ~ what a combination!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 19, 2020, 08:44:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 19, 2020, 12:45:32 PM
Yet when SY took up the mantle they never looked in that direction did they?

I don't know they said they would not give a running commentary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 08:48:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 19, 2020, 07:23:36 PM
She sounds a bit cross to me, because she got taken for a fool.  Beware The Ides of whatever.  This one can do much damage.

That's what comes of trusting Amaral.

She most likely didn't know he was a liar and a perjurer at the time.

But I think still being an influential media personality - even more so than she was in 2007 - I think he made himself a very powerful enemy by taking advantage of her trust in him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 09:12:43 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 08:48:13 PM
That's what comes of trusting Amaral.

She most likely didn't know he was a liar and a perjurer at the time.

But I think still being an influential media personality - even more so than she was in 2007 - I think he made himself a very powerful enemy by taking advantage of her trust in him.

If it wasn’t for Amaral we would never have heard of Sandra and you wouldn’t be singing her praises....so looking at things in the round she has a lot to thank Amaral for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 19, 2020, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 09:12:43 PM
If it wasn’t for Amaral we would never have heard of Sandra and you wouldn’t be singing her praises....so looking at things in the round she has a lot to thank Amaral for.


This link was on another forum I don't know what to make of it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8534831/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-girlfriend-finally-unmasked.html

She is another one refusing to answer questions- her right ofcourse.

NB:
I am amending this post as it was edited to make it look like I think CB is the only person  who is suspicious in this investigation. Also, I mentioned who is ultimately responsible for the whole sorry mess. Not Amaral to be sure.

You need to guess who because I am not allowed to type it. ^*&& It upsets some supporters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 19, 2020, 11:48:13 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 09:12:43 PM
If it wasn’t for Amaral we would never have heard of Sandra and you wouldn’t be singing her praises....so looking at things in the round she has a lot to thank Amaral for.

If we hadn't all heard that a young child called Madeleine was missing, I doubt many of us would have ever heard of rather a lot of people...

On two legs or four, come to think of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 20, 2020, 08:35:48 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 07:08:41 PM
“Forget bench coaches. The bites of those who know nothing. Read it. Look. But open-minded.

I have never seen a suspect like Bruckner: with so much evidence to put him at the scene of the crime at the time of the crime with a past that allows us to guess, but not prove, what he may have done.

It is not the perfect suspect. He's a pedophile and he's been with us for 22 years.

In the same years that Rui Pedro, Joana and Madeleine disappeared.

Bruckner is not a pedophile because there are complaints.
He is a pedophile convicted and extradited to serve time in Germany.

Did he commit this crime? Will it be associated with others? We do not know. We don`t know yet. But it is our obligation to find out ”,
  ... continued the RTP journalist, (Sandra Felgueiras) who has followed Maddie's case since the beginning.

https://www.hiper.fm/sandra-felgueiras-critica-goncalo-amaral-no-caso-maddie-so-podemos-falar-o-que-podemos-provar/

I laud her for wanting to get to the truth (whatever it may turn out to be), but I just hope she doesn't inadvertently screw up what seems to be a highly complex investigation broadcasting details that need to be kept quiet for the moment.

I see she's also wondering about Joana. That white house with the blue window frames was 15 mins by car from where she disappeared without a trace on her way home.

And Rui Pedro who disappeared in 98. He was later identified on a child porn site, poor lad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rui_Pedro_Teixeira_Mendon%C3%A7a
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2020, 08:47:36 AM
Quote from: Carana on July 20, 2020, 08:35:48 AM
I laud her for wanting to get to the truth (whatever it may turn out to be), but I just hope she doesn't inadvertently screw up what seems to be a highly complex investigation broadcasting details that need to be kept quiet for the moment.

I see she's also wondering about Joana. That white house with the blue window frames was 15 mins by car from where she disappeared without a trace on her way home.

And Rui Pedro who disappeared in 98. He was later identified on a child porn site, poor lad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rui_Pedro_Teixeira_Mendon%C3%A7a

I think Sandra is probably the only chance for justice for Joanna....and Rui found on a child porn site.....is taht what happened to Maddie...how awful but it ties in with what HCW has said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 20, 2020, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Carana on July 20, 2020, 08:35:48 AM
I laud her for wanting to get to the truth (whatever it may turn out to be), but I just hope she doesn't inadvertently screw up what seems to be a highly complex investigation broadcasting details that need to be kept quiet for the moment.

I see she's also wondering about Joana. That white house with the blue window frames was 15 mins by car from where she disappeared without a trace on her way home.

And Rui Pedro who disappeared in 98. He was later identified on a child porn site, poor lad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rui_Pedro_Teixeira_Mendon%C3%A7a

She is not the only one wondering about Joanna.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 20, 2020, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 19, 2020, 08:48:13 PM
That's what comes of trusting Amaral.

She most likely didn't know he was a liar and a perjurer at the time.

But I think still being an influential media personality - even more so than she was in 2007 - I think he made himself a very powerful enemy by taking advantage of her trust in him.


I think he made himself a very powerful enemy by taking advantage of her trust in him.


So your saying she would betray the trust of the public to get even with GA.

Not a very professional attitude then has she if that was the case.

You seem to think that ok to imply that she could hold a personal vendetta against him.

Something a good journalist wouldn't do........... or take advantage of that power IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2020, 09:04:09 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 20, 2020, 09:00:10 AM

I think he made himself a very powerful enemy by taking advantage of her trust in him.


So your saying she would betray the trust of the public to get even with GA.

Not a very professional attitude then has she if that was the case.

You seem to think that ok to imply that she could hold a personal vendetta against him.

Something a good journalist wouldn't do........... or take advantage of that power IMO

She doesnt say anywhere she would betray trust...its amaral who has done thatby lying to her. I will be interested in what she has to say. It's excellent that she sees the Cipriano case as a possible miscarriage of justice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2020, 09:12:39 AM
When asked whether Maddie was on the memory stick found at CBs property HCW would not give  adirect answer...yet he answered other questions.

Rui Pedro found on  a video being abused...police believe he was later killed.

It just ties in extremely well imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 20, 2020, 09:17:23 AM
Quote from: Carana on July 20, 2020, 08:35:48 AM
I laud her for wanting to get to the truth (whatever it may turn out to be), but I just hope she doesn't inadvertently screw up what seems to be a highly complex investigation broadcasting details that need to be kept quiet for the moment.

I see she's also wondering about Joana. That white house with the blue window frames was 15 mins by car from where she disappeared without a trace on her way home.

And Rui Pedro who disappeared in 98. He was later identified on a child porn site, poor lad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rui_Pedro_Teixeira_Mendon%C3%A7a
She raises a few interesting questions which shouldn't need to be raised by an investigative journalist ... the police should have been doing that and they should have been doing that a long time ago.

It took the Germans ... with a little help from Amaral to break the story.  I think if there is any damage done to the investigation Amaral would be my culprit, not Felgueiras.

I think connections which would have been raised long since in any country other than Portugal are only now being aired in front of the Portuguese people.  Who seem to have been fed on a diet of Amaral/Cristovao and their cronies' interpretation of what jurisprudence is but who are now being shown a different side.

I think there must be actual shock in Portugal about issues which have for so long been ignored or denied.  That the implications of a person with a record like Brueckner's had lived and moved amongst them for so long was made evident to the parents of the children of Sao Bartolomeu de Messines and to the parents of Portugal.

Perhaps the right kind of public pressure aided and abetted by informed journalism will bring changes to what has obviously been a lax system.
I still can't get my head round the fact that Brueckner was tried for the horrific torture and rape not in Portugal where it happened, but in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 20, 2020, 09:20:12 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 20, 2020, 09:00:10 AM

I think he made himself a very powerful enemy by taking advantage of her trust in him.


So your saying she would betray the trust of the public to get even with GA.

Not a very professional attitude then has she if that was the case.

You seem to think that ok to imply that she could hold a personal vendetta against him.

Something a good journalist wouldn't do........... or take advantage of that power IMO

No ... I am saying THE EXACT OPPOSITE.  Please read my posts with just a little less blinkered opinion to verify that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 20, 2020, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 20, 2020, 09:04:09 AM
She doesnt say anywhere she would betray trust...its amaral who has done thatby lying to her. I will be interested in what she has to say. It's excellent that she sees the Cipriano case as a possible miscarriage of justice

Well what else would a powerful enemy imply......a powerful enamy is not going to do the victim any favours imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2020, 09:43:52 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 20, 2020, 09:40:53 AM
Well what else would a powerful enemy imply......a powerful enamy is not going to do the victim any favours imo
of course she won't do him any favours after she trusted him and he lied to her. He only has himself to blame.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 20, 2020, 09:46:16 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 20, 2020, 09:20:12 AM
No ... I am saying THE EXACT OPPOSITE.  Please read my posts with just a little less blinkered opinion to verify that.

How is it the exact opposite.....and do you have to shout.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 20, 2020, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 20, 2020, 09:46:16 AM
How is it the exact opposite.....and do you have to shout.

It seems I do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 20, 2020, 10:00:16 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 19, 2020, 11:50:46 AM
There's something wrong with his jaw, whether left or right... maybe you just don't see it.  His left eye has also gone AWOL in the contemporary Italian mugshot.
(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB16VKO3.img?h=552&w=750&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html

Is he attempting to reduce his height in the photograph by flexing his knees ... or are his legs naturally bandy?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 20, 2020, 10:10:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 20, 2020, 10:00:16 AM
(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB16VKO3.img?h=552&w=750&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html

Is he attempting to reduce his height in the photograph by flexing his knees ... or are his legs naturally bandy?

Looks more like the trouses baggy around knees ..perhaps from sitting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 20, 2020, 10:41:02 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 19, 2020, 07:47:51 PM
When considering SF we must never forget that she did the ‘ask the dogs’ interview with the parents long after she knew what was in the files and was ‘taken for a ride’ by Amaral. If she knew there was nothing in the allegations against them why give them such a hard time ?

Being asked to take part in the Netflix documentary does seem to have hastened her road to Damascus moment....before that she really hadn’t been part of the case narrative for years.

If she was such a bad journalist when she harangued the parents do you really think that she’s got any better...or is she simply making the most of the opportunities sent her way ?

She was interviewed on a PT TV show relatively soon after the archiving report was made public, in which she was critical of the investigation. I'm not sure if it was before or after the "ask-the-dogs" interview (Nov 09), but it was around that time.





Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 20, 2020, 10:59:48 AM
Quote from: Carana on July 20, 2020, 08:35:48 AM
I laud her for wanting to get to the truth (whatever it may turn out to be), but I just hope she doesn't inadvertently screw up what seems to be a highly complex investigation broadcasting details that need to be kept quiet for the moment.

I see she's also wondering about Joana. That white house with the blue window frames was 15 mins by car from where she disappeared without a trace on her way home.

And Rui Pedro who disappeared in 98. He was later identified on a child porn site, poor lad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rui_Pedro_Teixeira_Mendon%C3%A7a

"I laud her for wanting to get to the truth (whatever it may turn out to be), but I just hope she doesn't inadvertently screw up what seems to be a highly complex investigation broadcasting details that need to be kept quiet for the moment. "

I agree with this, she does need to be careful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2020, 11:17:12 AM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on July 20, 2020, 10:59:48 AM

"I laud her for wanting to get to the truth (whatever it may turn out to be), but I just hope she doesn't inadvertently screw up what seems to be a highly complex investigation broadcasting details that need to be kept quiet for the moment. "

I agree with this, she does need to be careful.

It's good to have a Portuguese journalist who has understands the reality of the initial investigation and is searching for the truth.....even to the extent she questions the guilt of Cipriano
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 21, 2020, 12:20:12 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 18, 2020, 11:26:42 PM
From that distance away I'm not surprised she did not recognise Totman because she turned left on to the pathway and did not pass Gerry or Jez IMO.

This is interesting in the McCanns first statements about Jane's sighting. They believe she saw the man when she left the tapas entrance and got onto the street i.e. from a long distance away.

"It is emphasised that one of the members of the group, Jane, at about 21.10 - 21.15 when she was going to her apartment to check on her children, she saw from the back, at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road bordering the club, an individual from the rear end;  carrying a child, wearing pyjamas, Jane will be able to clarify this situation."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

"Later, a member of the group, Russell's partner Jane, when she went to her apartment to see her children at around 9.15pm, saw from the back [rear] about 50 metres away, on the perimeter road of the club, a long-haired person, in what she thinks were jeans, with a child in his arms and walking very quickly. But she is better able to tell you about that herself."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

No Jane Tanner did NOT turn left on to the pathway.  She passed Gerry and Jez.   Please do not keep passing on Amarals untrue theory as the truth.  The man is a proven liar and by passing such disinformation on, Pathfinder, you are going down the same route.

In one of the statements, Jane Tanner saw Tannerman plus ?Madeleine? from only about 5 metres away initially.   I will grant that the lighting was not very good and Jane saw the side view of his face, hence the fact that Jane chose not to put a face on Tannerman. 
Please also note that after he crossed the road, Jane saw Tannerman carry on along the pavement of R.Agostinho in an easterly direction

In order to reach the perimeter entrance to his flat, Dr Totman, after appearing around the corner, would have had to turn south down Rua Francisco.  In other words he would have been going the opposite way to Jane for a while (face to Face) yet Tanner man went along R Agostinho in an easterly direction


Because of this anomaly in directions walked, we know that Dr Totman was NOT Tannerman.
There is a big time difference between Tannerman and Dr Totman too.

And from various statements and a video (Cutting Edge) we know that Jane walked the whole length up Rua Francisco to Rua Agostinho before going left.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 21, 2020, 03:40:00 AM
quote author=pathfinder73 link=topic=11585.msg610533#msg610533 date=1595111202]
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From that distance away I'm not surprised she did not recognise Totman because she turned left on to the pathway and did not pass Gerry or Jez IMO.

This is interesting in the McCanns first statements about Jane's sighting. They believe she saw the man when she left the tapas entrance and got onto the street i.e. from a long distance away.

"It is emphasised that one of the members of the group, Jane, at about 21.10 - 21.15 when she was going to her apartment to check on her children, she saw from the back, at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road bordering the club, an individual from the rear end;  carrying a child, wearing pyjamas, Jane will be able to clarify this situation."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

"Later, a member of the group, Russell's partner Jane, when she went to her apartment to see her children at around 9.15pm, saw from the back [rear] about 50 metres away, on the perimeter road of the club, a long-haired person, in what she thinks were jeans, with a child in his arms and walking very quickly. But she is better able to tell you about that herself."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm
  Please note:  For emphasis,  I have enlarged the last words in both Gerry and Kates statements

FGS Pathfinder.  You are desperate aren't you? ... to quote third party descriptions, twice repeated, of what Jane saw

You take third party descriptions given by sleep deprived, emotionally drained and exhausted Gerry and kate ( after they had been up virtually all night worrying and searching) of what Jane saw.  This is NOT what Kate or Gerry saw.  You take these third party descriptions rather than the ones from Jane herself!  Why ? 

What ever is the matter with you that you feel the need to give such stuff out when you have seen on The Cutting Edge Video Jane speaking and showing exactly what happened and must know it is disinformation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkc3C6csaHI
@ about 10.08 onwards

Ah well!!  Surprise, Surprise !!       Someone has done something to the video and it wont work, but it left the space .   8(>((

More cheating by some one who cant bear the truth to come out, I suppose ?



Anyway Janes Rogatory statement says it all.  Her own words, not someone elses and in Kate and Gerrys case at least twice repeated … in other words nothing more than Chinese Whispers... and from a couple, Kate and Gerry who were totally exhausted and merely repeating hearsay.  THEY BOTH SAID TO SPEAK TO JANE ABOUT IT.  Why did you ignore that?



https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

 -snip-  4078    “How far away from you were they at the closest point?” [re the man and the carried child]

Reply    “Phew, as, I mean, it’s hard to, sort of thing, but I think I was sort of halfway, it’s probably sort of five metres, I mean, I’m trying to sort of think in terms of this room, but sort of probably just further than that wall, probably sort of five to ten metres id’ say, if, I don’t know how far it is to there, but”.

 

4078    “I would say probably about, I am just guessing, but two and a half to three metres?”

Reply    “Yeah, I’d probably say sort of five, five to ten metres, well probably five, nearer five”.  -snip-

So Pathfimder, you chose to believe the two statements that were relayed by a secondary person twice at least [Chinese Whispers] rather than a video showing Jane in person very deliberately pointing out where she saw Gerry and Jez . 

You have seen this video, Pathfinder, it has been played numerous times on this forum before.   You saw her walk straight up the road to the top where she saw Tannerman and ?Madeleine? crossing and going in an easterly direction along Rua Agostinho.  Jane did NOT go along the back pathway as you keep saying.  Please desist.

And now you have the Rogatory statement with Jane HERSELF saying how she was only about 5 - 10 metres away from this man when she saw him, NOT 50 metres.



I hope and trust that you will not try it on again, repeating all your disinformation in a few months/ years time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 21, 2020, 04:23:51 AM
Quote from: sadie on July 21, 2020, 03:40:00 AM

Ah well!!  Surprise, Surprise !!       Someone has done something to the video and it wont work, but it left the space .   8(>((

More cheating by some one who cant bear the truth to come out, I suppose ?

Less of the paranoia, if you please!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 21, 2020, 04:36:17 AM
Quote from: sadie on July 21, 2020, 12:20:12 AM
No Jane Tanner did NOT turn left on to the pathway.  She passed Gerry and Jez.   Please do not keep passing on Amarals untrue theory as the truth.  The man is a proven liar and by passing such disinformation on, Pathfinder, you are going down the same route.

In one of the statements, Jane Tanner saw Tannerman plus ?Madeleine? from only about 5 metres away initially.   I will grant that the lighting was not very good and Jane saw the side view of his face, hence the fact that Jane chose not to put a face on Tannerman. 
Please also note that after he crossed the road, Jane saw Tannerman carry on along the pavement of R.Agostinho in an easterly direction

In order to reach the perimeter entrance to his flat, Dr Totman, after appearing around the corner, would have had to turn south down Rua Francisco.  In other words he would have been going the opposite way to Jane for a while (face to Face) yet Tanner man went along R Agostinho in an easterly direction

Because of this anomaly in directions walked, we know that Dr Totman was NOT Tannerman.
There is a big time difference between Tannerman and Dr Totman too.

And from various statements and a video (Cutting Edge) we know that Jane walked the whole length up Rua Francisco to Rua Agostinho before going left.
Crikey!  Not like me... A post of yours I actually agree with.  My gnarly old Blue Peter badge is winging its way to you (via OGHQ) in a matching blue envelope.  Hope it arrives, unlike some others.

Redwood was desperate to shift attention onto Smithman, so avoided explaining why Totman was going in the opposite direction to which he should have been. Obviously all imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 08:16:14 AM
From the Mail today it looks like the Germans are patiently building their case against Breukner
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 21, 2020, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 21, 2020, 04:36:17 AM
Crikey!  Not like me... A post of yours I actually agree with.  My gnarly old Blue Peter badge is winging its way to you (via OGHQ) in a matching blue envelope.  Hope it arrives, unlike some others.

Redwood was desperate to shift attention onto Smithman, so avoided explaining why Totman was going in the opposite direction to which he should have been. Obviously all imo.

I wonder if Redwood just didn't understand the lay out of Luz.  Anyone who had been at this for as long as I had instantly spotted that if it was Dr. Totman then he was going in the wrong direction.

There was also the time lapse between approximately 9.15 and 10pm when Smithman was seen, although this wouldn't have been all that difficult to explain if it had been considered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 21, 2020, 08:50:54 AM
Thats it then,he said they said,caveat its in the sun amd mail,go to be true.

.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8543033/German-police-solved-90-cent-Madeleine-McCann-case.html
Mr Fehlinger - a former ambulance driver - told The Sun: 'They said they had 90 per cent solved the case and seemed very confident.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 08:53:35 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 21, 2020, 08:50:54 AM
Thats it then,he said they said,caveat its in the sun amd mail,go to be true.

.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8543033/German-police-solved-90-cent-Madeleine-McCann-case.html
Mr Fehlinger - a former ambulance driver - told The Sun: 'They said they had 90 per cent solved the case and seemed very confident.


I dont simply go by whats in the paper....I put all the info available together and then draw a conclusion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 21, 2020, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 21, 2020, 08:53:35 AM
I dont simply go by whats in the paper....I put all the info available together and then draw a conclusion

Oh come on the lead investigators the brit press have there man,what more do you want.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 21, 2020, 09:03:27 AM
Oh come on the lead investigators the brit press have there man,what more do you want.

I look forward to seeing the evidence the Germans have...theres already enough to consider him a suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 21, 2020, 09:24:40 AM
I envisage a time in the not too distant future when Bruckner apologists will be saying "just because there was a picture of Madeleine's body on a USB buried under his dead dog doesn't mean he abducted and killed her".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:26:46 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 21, 2020, 09:24:40 AM
I envisage a time in the not too distant future when Bruckner apologists will be saying "just because there was a picture of Madeleine's body on a USB buried under his dead dog doesn't mean he abducted and killed her".
That would be right.  These people have a lot of photos.  Doesn't mean they took the photos themselves does it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 09:31:24 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:26:46 AM
That would be right.  These people have a lot of photos.  Doesn't mean they took the photos themselves does it?

No one has said it does. depends what other info is on the images. It would be   a major major breakthrough if this was the case...as it may be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 21, 2020, 09:31:24 AM
No one has said it does. depends what other info is on the images. It would be   a major major breakthrough if this was the case...as it may be.
It is wait and see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 09:35:07 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:32:53 AM
It is wait and see.

that is what I have suggested...others are alraedy writing the german investigation off...it depends what evidence they have
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 21, 2020, 09:38:04 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:26:46 AM
That would be right.  These people have a lot of photos.  Doesn't mean they took the photos themselves does it?
And if that is indeed the evidence the police have on Bruckner, it would explain why they haven't yet charged him.  It would certainly be enough to satisfy me that there was a direct link between him and Madeleine's abduction, even if not enough to satisfy a court of law, my point was McCann sceptics IMO will seek to dismiss all the evidence against him as irrelevant unless it's an actual confession. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 21, 2020, 09:41:38 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:32:53 AM
It is wait and see.

It always is.  Thirteen long and draw out years.  But this man should be locked up for a very long time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:43:43 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 21, 2020, 09:38:04 AM
And if that is indeed the evidence the police have on Bruckner, it would explain why they haven't yet charged him.  It would certainly be enough to satisfy me that there was a direct link between him and Madeleine's abduction, even if not enough to satisfy a court of law, my point was McCann sceptics IMO will seek to dismiss all the evidence against him as irrelevant unless it's an actual confession.
We would certainly wonder where the photos came from and how CB has got hold of them.  But even now there are the odd "lollipop and lipstick photos said to be of Madeleine.  Where did they come from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 09:46:10 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:43:43 AM
We would certainly wonder where the photos came from and how CB has got hold of them.  But even now there are the odd "lollipop and lipstick photos said to be of Madeleine.  Where did they come from?

We are talking about photos of abuse as in the Rui Pedro case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 21, 2020, 09:46:10 AM
We are talking about photos of abuse as in the Rui Pedro case
Do we know that?  There would have to be photos that look  like Madeleine McCann if he was to be charged in her disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:49:19 AM
Do we know that?  There would have to be photos that look  like Madeleine McCann if he was to be charged in her disappearance.
Of course we don't know that.....the Germans havent released the evidence..but there is reason to suspect thats what the evidence might be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:53:59 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 21, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Of course we don't know that.....the Germans havent released the evidence..but there is reason to suspect thats what the evidence might be.
What statement made you think that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:53:59 AM
What statement made you think that?

Ive already posted them in detail
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 21, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
Ive already posted them in detail
Yeah could you have mis-interpreted them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 10:00:44 AM
Yeah could you have mis-interpreted them?

it wasnt just me who made the connection...the journalist onthe programme...channel 9 I think...thought exactly the same.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 10:16:26 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 21, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
it wasnt just me who made the connection...the journalist onthe programme...channel 9 I think...thought exactly the same.
I thought you told us you are sceptical of what you read in articles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 10:16:26 AM
I thought you told us you are sceptical of what you read in articles.

I didnt read it...it was live on tv....might be better if you stopped trying to prove me wrong...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 21, 2020, 10:19:48 AM
I didnt read it...it was live on tv....might be better if you stopped trying to prove me wrong...
OK it might have been on TV or reported in an article but it still is the result of a journalist/reporter making an assessment of what they are being told.   
Are you treating these reports as fact or not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 21, 2020, 10:26:44 AM

Okay.  Cut the insults you two.  But believe me, I can keep on Moderating for longer than you think I can.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 10:24:34 AM
OK it might have been on TV or reported in an article but it still is the result of a journalist/reporter making an assessment of what they are being told.   
Are you treating these reports as fact or not?

Get  a grip rob.  Ive said the germans may have images...Ive said what the Germans have said leads me to believe that may be true...where have I mentioned anything as fact. From here on you are back on ignore
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 10:30:01 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 21, 2020, 10:26:44 AM
Okay.  Cut the insults you two.  But believe me, I can keep on Moderating for longer than you think I can.
Have you noticed I only use the words that Davel uses against me first.    I would never insult anyone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 10:31:26 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 21, 2020, 10:28:48 AM
Get  a grip rob.  Ive said the germans may have images...Ive said what the Germans have said leads me to believe that may be true...where have I mentioned anything as fact. From here on you are back on ignore
Are you treating the reports as fact?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 21, 2020, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2020, 09:43:43 AM
We would certainly wonder where the photos came from and how CB has got hold of them.  But even now there are the odd "lollipop and lipstick photos said to be of Madeleine.  Where did they come from?
Oh please.  There is nothing odd about those photos, only to people determined to see "odd" where no odd exists.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 21, 2020, 11:19:16 AM
When HCW has been interviewed and asked about DNA evidence in the cars he replied there was none. When asked about images of Maddie on the memory sticks he refused to answer yes or no. As the interviewer said this may be an indication  as to what the evidence might be. In the Rui Pedro case police did find images of abuse and from them concluded that Rui sadly was dead. This fits with the German statemnets.

Obvioulsy this is just a suspicion at this stage...we will perhaps know in the future if its true. It also fits with breukner filming abuse.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 21, 2020, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: sadie on July 21, 2020, 12:20:12 AM
No Jane Tanner did NOT turn left on to the pathway.  She passed Gerry and Jez.   Please do not keep passing on Amarals untrue theory as the truth.  The man is a proven liar and by passing such disinformation on, Pathfinder, you are going down the same route.

In one of the statements, Jane Tanner saw Tannerman plus ?Madeleine? from only about 5 metres away initially.   I will grant that the lighting was not very good and Jane saw the side view of his face, hence the fact that Jane chose not to put a face on Tannerman. 
Please also note that after he crossed the road, Jane saw Tannerman carry on along the pavement of R.Agostinho in an easterly direction

In order to reach the perimeter entrance to his flat, Dr Totman, after appearing around the corner, would have had to turn south down Rua Francisco.  In other words he would have been going the opposite way to Jane for a while (face to Face) yet Tanner man went along R Agostinho in an easterly direction


Because of this anomaly in directions walked, we know that Dr Totman was NOT Tannerman.
There is a big time difference between Tannerman and Dr Totman too.

And from various statements and a video (Cutting Edge) we know that Jane walked the whole length up Rua Francisco to Rua Agostinho before going left.

Nobody in the police believed Jane passed them on the same pavement without being seen within feet of 2 people. That's why in the McCanns reconstruction they had to put Gerry and Jez on the opposite pavement. Pathetic! Even on the opposite pavement Jez would not have missed Jane going past. There's only one credible explanation and it is that she turned left onto the pathway and therefore saw the man crossing at a much further distance away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 21, 2020, 02:46:34 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 21, 2020, 02:31:02 PM
Nobody in the police believed Jane passed them on the same pavement without being seen within feet of 2 people. That's why in the McCanns reconstruction they had to put Gerry and Jez on the opposite pavement. Pathetic! Even on the opposite pavement Jez would not have missed Jane going past. There's only one credible explanation and it is that she turned left onto the pathway and therefore saw the man crossing at a much further distance away.

Wrong.  As ever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 21, 2020, 05:40:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 21, 2020, 02:46:34 PM
Wrong.  As ever.

You really have to have visited the area to see how impossible Tanner’s statement regarding passing Gerry is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 22, 2020, 04:35:43 PM
More from Brunt on Brueckner and Hazel Behan...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a9K7_qh_Tw&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a9K7_qh_Tw&feature=emb_logo)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 04:42:55 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 22, 2020, 04:35:43 PM
More from Brunt on Brueckner and Hazel Behan...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a9K7_qh_Tw&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a9K7_qh_Tw&feature=emb_logo)

Brunt says police are still waiting to interview Christian B about Maddie's disappearance.

What's stopping them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 22, 2020, 04:48:07 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 04:42:55 PM
Brunt says police are still waiting to interview Christian B about Maddie's disappearance.

What's stopping them?

Lack of evidence,won't be long now with the thing on ITV coming up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 22, 2020, 04:55:52 PM
Really extraordinary that some people here desperately want the McCanns to be guilty of disposing of their child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 22, 2020, 04:58:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 22, 2020, 04:48:07 PM
Lack of evidence,won't be long now with the thing on ITV coming up.

As i understand once they question him they have tp disclose all the evidence against him...same a sportugal...and tey dont want to do that yet
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 22, 2020, 05:04:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 22, 2020, 04:58:30 PM
As i understand once they question him they have tp disclose all the evidence against him...same a sportugal...and tey dont want to do that yet

Exactly my reasoning,if any body to be charged in the case the prosecutors will have to be 100% certain and then some, clearly this isn't happening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 05:18:09 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 22, 2020, 04:35:43 PM
More from Brunt on Brueckner and Hazel Behan...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a9K7_qh_Tw&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a9K7_qh_Tw&feature=emb_logo)
I wonder how many slim, blonde, blue-eyed possibly German rapists who like to climb into people’s holiday apartments while they are sleeping are still at large on the Algarve...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 05:20:35 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 22, 2020, 04:55:52 PM
Really extraordinary that some people here desperately want the McCanns to be guilty of disposing of their child.
It’s because they’ve spent years convinced they did it, and I don’t think they could come to terms with having been so very wrong for so very long.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 22, 2020, 05:52:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 22, 2020, 05:04:43 PM
Exactly my reasoning,if any body to be charged in the case the prosecutors will have to be 100% certain and then some, clearly this isn't happening.
I'm not sure your reasoning hasn't gone a little askew here.  I've no idea where "prosecutors have to be 100% certain and then some" is coming from.  If that is so why bother with a trial at all?

If you take time to read Davel's post properly you might notice he has suggested that by law Brueckner would be entitled to see all the evidence held against him and perhaps they think that may be premature disclosure.
I would agree with that but I don't agree with your interpretation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 22, 2020, 05:53:56 PM
If they don't want to question him because it means revealing the evidence, then they may never get around to questioning him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 22, 2020, 05:56:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 22, 2020, 05:53:56 PM
If they don't want to question him because it means revealing the evidence, then they may never get around to questioning him.

Hence the appeal for information, perhaps?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 22, 2020, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 22, 2020, 05:56:31 PM
Hence the appeal for information, perhaps?

And if this information isn't forthcoming, possible because it may not exist ?
What then, another appeal ?

Or will they go for it - ready or not ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 06:18:01 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 22, 2020, 04:55:52 PM
Really extraordinary that some people here desperately want the McCanns to be guilty of disposing of their child.

Please note that's just your opinion unless you have a cite demonstrating this alleged desire.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 22, 2020, 06:24:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 22, 2020, 05:04:43 PM
Exactly my reasoning,if any body to be charged in the case the prosecutors will have to be 100% certain and then some, clearly this isn't happening.

Tthe law doesnt require 100% certainty it requires evidence beyond reasonable doubt...or the german equivalent.
As i understand they do not want to reveal something too him until they have finsished their enquiries. They will then decide whether to proceed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 22, 2020, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 06:18:01 PM
Please note that's just your opinion unless you have a cite demonstrating this alleged desire.
Most of your posts virtually drool over the desire that Brueckner shouldn't be considered a possible candidate for the abduction of Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 06:51:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 06:18:01 PM
Please note that's just your opinion unless you have a cite demonstrating this alleged desire.
Supporters have been criticised on here for wanting desperately for Madeleine to have been raped and murdered by a paedo.  Why did you not express a similar opinion against those posts?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 07:18:01 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 22, 2020, 06:35:10 PM
Most of your posts virtually drool over the desire that Brueckner shouldn't be considered a possible candidate for the abduction of Madeleine.

Is that a cite? Which posts?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 07:28:14 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 06:51:20 PM
Supporters have been criticised on here for wanting desperately for Madeleine to have been raped and murdered by a paedo.  Why did you not express a similar opinion against those posts?

I'm not interested in discussing who thinks what and why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 22, 2020, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 22, 2020, 04:55:52 PM
Really extraordinary that some people here desperately want the McCanns to be guilty of disposing of their child.

Care to name them that do?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 22, 2020, 07:56:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 07:18:01 PM
Is that a cite? Which posts?
So what do you think happened to Madeleine if she wasn't abducted?   Did she walk, wander, got run over then carried off?  Or fell into some road works and subsequently buried?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1327.msg530536#msg530536 (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1327.msg530536#msg530536)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 07:28:14 PM
I'm not interested in discussing who thinks what and why.
I’m interested in discussing double standards.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 22, 2020, 07:56:44 PM
So what do you think happened to Madeleine if she wasn't abducted?   Did she walk, wander, got run over then carried off?  Or fell into some road works and subsequently buried?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1327.msg530536#msg530536 (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1327.msg530536#msg530536)
G-Unit doesn’t believe anything- see my sig line.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 22, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 22, 2020, 07:43:57 PM
Care to name them that do?
Patently obvious, isn't it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 08:12:34 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 22, 2020, 07:56:44 PM
So what do you think happened to Madeleine if she wasn't abducted?   Did she walk, wander, got run over then carried off?  Or fell into some road works and subsequently buried?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1327.msg530536#msg530536 (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1327.msg530536#msg530536)

As I've frequently said, I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann. I agree with the Legal Summary and have seen nothing to change my mind;

we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann - apart from the supposed but dismissed crime of exposure or abandonment - or to hold anyone responsible over its authorship.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 08:15:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 08:12:34 PM
As I've frequently said, I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann. I agree with the Legal Summary and have seen nothing to change my mind;

we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann - apart from the supposed but dismissed crime of exposure or abandonment - or to hold anyone responsible over its authorship.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
Funny how you’re such a stickler for the letter of the law in this case, but have much firmer and far more contradictory views to the law in the Bamber case.  I wonder why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 08:16:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 08:03:09 PM
I’m interested in discussing double standards.

Why? You accuse, I deny, nothing is achieved. Unless you just want your accusations to be seen?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 22, 2020, 08:23:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 08:12:34 PM
As I've frequently said, I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann. I agree with the Legal Summary and have seen nothing to change my mind;

we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann - apart from the supposed but dismissed crime of exposure or abandonment - or to hold anyone responsible over its authorship.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm (https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm)
But things have moved on from 2008 when that was published.  Funny how the German FBI now have a more valid abduction candidate in their sights than the Amaral and the PJ ever did.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 08:33:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 08:16:19 PM
Why? You accuse, I deny, nothing is achieved. Unless you just want your accusations to be seen?
You are in the business of making your doubts about the McCanns seen, what do you think is achieved by that exactly?  It’s all ultimately futile but clearly you get alot of pleasure out of it, and I enjoy exposing hypocrisy, double standards, and questionable logic. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 22, 2020, 08:23:23 PM
But things have moved on from 2008 when that was published.  Funny how the German FBI now have a more valid abduction candidate in their sights than the Amaral and the PJ ever did.

Have they? Has new evidence pointing to abduction emerged since that document was written? If it has I haven't seen it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 09:07:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 09:00:00 PM
Have they? Has new evidence pointing to abduction emerged since that document was written? If it has I haven't seen it.
Yes it has, we just haven’t been privy to it (unless you think the German prosecutor is a liar).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 22, 2020, 09:18:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 09:07:15 PM
Yes it has, we just haven’t been privy to it (unless you think the German prosecutor is a liar).

I'll be very interested to learn what it is - if I ever do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 09:23:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 09:07:15 PM
Yes it has, we just haven’t been privy to it (unless you think the German prosecutor is a liar).

When has the German prosecutor said Maddie was abducted?

I don't remember that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 09:23:48 PM
When has the German prosecutor said Maddie was abducted?

I don't remember that.
Oh that’s right sorry.  He thinks Madeleine was murdered by a paedophile burglar  but definitely not abducted, my mistake.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 09:29:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 09:26:12 PM
Oh that’s right sorry.  He thinks Madeleine was murdered by a paedophile burglar  but definitely not abducted, my mistake.

What you should have said was "he hasn't", because he hasn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 09:29:34 PM
Oh but wait!  What is this I read?

Mr Wolters said: 'Brueckner's telephone number comes from our investigation, but British police have a data pool from 2007 from Praia da Luz of all mobile numbers [used in that area at the time], so we put our telephone number to the data of the British police – and it matched.

'So we think that our suspect was, on the day Madeleine was kidnapped in Praia da Luz, near the apartment.'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 09:34:59 PM
Oh, and then he said this
“The phone call made by the suspect could be between him and a member of staff who told him when to break into the McCanns’ apartment.”

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 09:37:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 09:29:34 PM
Oh but wait!  What is this I read?

Mr Wolters said: 'Brueckner's telephone number comes from our investigation, but British police have a data pool from 2007 from Praia da Luz of all mobile numbers [used in that area at the time], so we put our telephone number to the data of the British police – and it matched.

'So we think that our suspect was, on the day Madeleine was kidnapped in Praia da Luz, near the apartment.'

Well, I stand corrected.

I wonder what the abduction evidence is, & why it's so top secret.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 22, 2020, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 09:37:59 PM
Well, I stand corrected.

I wonder what the abduction evidence is, & why it's so top secret.

I think you will find that this has already been explained.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 09:54:05 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 09:37:59 PM
Well, I stand corrected.

I wonder what the abduction evidence is, & why it's so top secret.
You are living up to your name WONDERfulspam.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 22, 2020, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 22, 2020, 04:35:43 PM
More from Brunt on Brueckner and Hazel Behan...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a9K7_qh_Tw&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a9K7_qh_Tw&feature=emb_logo)
The Portuguese official says under their constitution they are not allowed a database of biological evidence.

Do they keep fingerprints and photos on file?   OK I have heard they won't have a DNA database, but what about other biological evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 10:00:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 22, 2020, 09:47:19 PM
I think you will find that this has already been explained.

The abduction evidence, if it even exists, doesn't implicate anyone in particular, so I fail to see why it has to remain such a closely guarded secret.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 10:00:25 PM
The abduction evidence, if it even exists, doesn't implicate anyone in particular, so I fail to see why it has to remain such a closely guarded secret.
how the hell do you know?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 10:18:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 10:10:30 PM
how the hell do you know?

Isn't it obvious?

How many suspects have there been over the years?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 22, 2020, 10:20:38 PM
HCW has said they have concrete evidence that Maddie is dead and that CB killed her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 10:24:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 22, 2020, 10:20:38 PM
HCW has said they have concrete evidence that Maddie is dead and that CB killed her.

Yet still the police haven't even bothered to visit him in jail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 10:25:50 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 10:18:18 PM
Isn't it obvious?

How many suspects have there been over the years?
We know the Germans have evidence which links to CB.  For some reason you refuse to accept it.  That’s your choice.  There has never been a suspect taken as seriously as this before.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 10:27:40 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 10:24:47 PM
Yet still the police haven't even bothered to visit him in jail.
What would be the point, unless it was to charge him?  They have 22 months to strengthen their case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 10:25:50 PM
We know the Germans have evidence which links to CB.  For some reason you refuse to accept it.  That’s your choice.  There has never been a suspect taken as seriously as this before.

What evidence?

I haven't seen any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 10:27:40 PM
What would be the point, unless it was to charge him?  They have 22 months to strengthen their case.

Well .....

Quote from: Davel on July 22, 2020, 10:20:38 PM
HCW has said they have concrete evidence that Maddie is dead and that CB killed her.

That sounds pretty damning. 

Can't understand why that evidence isn't enough to charge him with murder myself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
Well .....

That sounds pretty damning. 

Can't understand why that evidence isn't enough to charge him with murder myself.
You must be in a constant state about why with all the evidence against the McCanns that they haven’t been charged yet.  How do you explain it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 10:49:11 PM
You must be in a constant state about why with all the evidence against the McCanns that they haven’t been charged yet.  How do you explain it?

What evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 11:12:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 11:00:53 PM
What evidence?
All the evidence that makes you 100% certain they dunnit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 22, 2020, 11:12:22 PM
All the evidence that makes you 100% certain they dunnit.

Because it isn't enough to bring charges.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 22, 2020, 11:24:42 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 22, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
Because it isn't enough to bring charges.
Ah, so that is a concept you are familiar with then.  Just checking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 23, 2020, 08:44:29 AM
The question is ...what is this evidence..
The Germans seem to think it's important...we just have to wait and see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 23, 2020, 11:45:16 AM
Some preamble to tonight's documentary on Good Morning Britain ITV Hub, fast forward to 1:37:30 onwards...

https://www.itv.com/hub/good-morning-britain/2a3211a2836 (https://www.itv.com/hub/good-morning-britain/2a3211a2836)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 23, 2020, 12:56:15 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 23, 2020, 11:45:16 AM
Some preamble to tonight's documentary on Good Morning Britain ITV Hub, fast forward to 1:37:30 onwards...

https://www.itv.com/hub/good-morning-britain/2a3211a2836 (https://www.itv.com/hub/good-morning-britain/2a3211a2836)

Peel away the commentary,speculation and sensational bits and I doubt it'll add up to much.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 23, 2020, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 23, 2020, 12:56:15 PM
Peel away the commentary,speculation and sensational bits and I doubt it'll add up to much.
Don't watch it expecting to find out what the evidence is that HCW has against CB.  In fact I advise you not to watch it at all because it will just annoy you and tell you stuff you don't want to believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 23, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 22, 2020, 10:20:38 PM
HCW has said they have concrete evidence that Maddie is dead and that CB killed her.

I've never heard so much total crap in all the years I've been following progress in this case. The Germans are a laughing stock imo.  You can't have solid evidence and then fail to prosecute.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 23, 2020, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 23, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
I've never heard so much total crap in all the years I've been following progress in this case. The Germans are a laughing stock imo.  You can't have solid evidence and then fail to prosecute.

The Germans havent failed to prosecute....I think you will find you are totally wrong . Whatever the situation the Germans say they have strong evidence....that in itself sounds very interesting. i look forward to seeing what it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 23, 2020, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 23, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
I've never heard so much total crap in all the years I've been following progress in this case. The Germans are a laughing stock imo.  You can't have solid evidence and then fail to prosecute.
Have you had your meeting with the PJ yet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 23, 2020, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 23, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
I've never heard so much total crap in all the years I've been following progress in this case. The Germans are a laughing stock imo.  You can't have solid evidence and then fail to prosecute.

The laughing stock are the PJ. The Germans have already solved one rape case the PJ failed miserably on...another being reinvestigated....another abduction being looked at...all this apart from maddie. Just how many cases will the Germans solve that the PJ handnt got  a clue about
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 23, 2020, 03:51:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 23, 2020, 03:32:05 PM
The laughing stock are the PJ. The Germans have already solved one rape case the PJ failed miserably on...another being reinvestigated....another abduction being looked at...all this apart from maddie. Just how many cases will the Germans solve that the PJ handnt got  a clue about

What a complete disaster.  The PJ were utterly useless on so many counts.  It's just taken such a long time to come out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 23, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
I have no doubt that there are now PJ officers who have no connection to the past and work hard. Institutional change takes time...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 23, 2020, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 23, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
I have no doubt that there are now PJ officers who have no connection to the past and work hard. Institutional change takes time...


totally  agree....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 23, 2020, 04:29:53 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 23, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
I have no doubt that there are now PJ officers who have no connection to the past and work hard. Institutional change takes time...

40 Years after The Glorious Revolution.  They certainly took their time.  And it might never have happened, but for the disappearance of Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 23, 2020, 04:31:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 23, 2020, 03:32:05 PM
The laughing stock are the PJ. The Germans have already solved one rape case the PJ failed miserably on...another being reinvestigated....another abduction being looked at...all this apart from maddie. Just how many cases will the Germans solve that the PJ handnt got  a clue about

I'll reserve judgement until the sentence is imposed.

I think the lawyers are challenging the conviction on more than the extradition technicality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 23, 2020, 04:37:01 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 23, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
I have no doubt that there are now PJ officers who have no connection to the past and work hard. Institutional change takes time...

Having just finished GA's book I was quite impressed with the Portuguese investigation into MM's disappearance.

Let's not forget all the homegrown debacles eg numerous long running and high profile MOJ's and unsolved cases.  Plus those we know about overseas.

What's the latest on the ECJ ruling re CB? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 23, 2020, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 23, 2020, 04:37:01 PM
Having just finished GA's book I was quite impressed with the Portuguese investigation into MM's disappearance.

Let's not forget all the homegrown debacles eg numerous long running and high profile MOJ's and unsolved cases.  Plus those we know about overseas.

What's the latest on the ECJ ruling re CB?

You continually make excuses for the failings of the initial investigation which failed because they misunderstood the significance of the alerts and the DNA...I cannot understand anyone being impressed by such incompetence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 23, 2020, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 23, 2020, 04:31:18 PM
I'll reserve judgement until the sentence is imposed.

I think the lawyers are challenging the conviction on more than the extradition technicality.

You can reserve what you like but CB was found guilty on the evidence....which he is not challenging as you are well aware. He is an evil rapist....that is factual
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 23, 2020, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 23, 2020, 04:48:36 PM
You can reserve what you like but CB was found guilty on the evidence....which he is not challenging as you are well aware. He is an evil rapist....that is factual

Just an aside, he may feel aggrieved at the length of sentence compared to these.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8552537/Refugees-gang-raped-18-year-old-girl-jailed-five-years.html

Refugees who gang-raped an 18-year-old girl after spiking her drink in an attack that sparked far-right protests in Germany are jailed for up to five years


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 23, 2020, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 23, 2020, 04:37:01 PM
Having just finished GA's book I was quite impressed with the Portuguese investigation into MM's disappearance.

Let's not forget all the homegrown debacles eg numerous long running and high profile MOJ's and unsolved cases.  Plus those we know about overseas.

What's the latest on the ECJ ruling re CB?
What specifically did you find impressive? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 23, 2020, 05:36:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 23, 2020, 05:28:48 PM
Just an aside, he may feel aggrieved at the length of sentence compared to these.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8552537/Refugees-gang-raped-18-year-old-girl-jailed-five-years.html

Refugees who gang-raped an 18-year-old girl after spiking her drink in an attack that sparked far-right protests in Germany are jailed for up to five years

Let’s hope those s..mbags are deported as soon as their sentences have been served.  CB’s sentence will no doubt be longer because of the violence and torture element involved. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 23, 2020, 09:58:03 PM

Just been watching the Brueckner documentary & there has been no mention of Brueckner's phone connecting to a phone mast belonging to the Ocean Club.

What has happened to the claim that Brueckner's phone could be located just yards from 5A?

Madeleine McCann suspect 'made call from same place she was last seen alive'

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters previously said a phone allegedly used by Brueckner pinged on a mast at the Ocean Club apartment complex shortly before Madeleine disappeared.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-made-call-22282633

I thought this was meant to be a clincher, yet it never got a mention.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 23, 2020, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 23, 2020, 09:58:03 PM
Just been watching the Brueckner documentary & there has been no mention of Brueckner's phone connecting to a phone mast belonging to the Ocean Club.

What has happened to the claim that Brueckner's phone could be located just yards from 5A?

Madeleine McCann suspect 'made call from same place she was last seen alive'

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters previously said a phone allegedly used by Brueckner pinged on a mast at the Ocean Club apartment complex shortly before Madeleine disappeared.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-made-call-22282633

I thought this was meant to be a clincher, yet it never got a mention.

Did you nod off...the phonecall was discussed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 23, 2020, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 23, 2020, 10:01:53 PM
Did you nod off...the phonecall was discussed

Yes but I heard no mention of the mast at the Ocean club?

Did they mention that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 23, 2020, 10:06:38 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 23, 2020, 10:03:16 PM
Yes but I heard no mention of the mast at the Ocean club?

Did they mention that?

I think you are not picking...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 23, 2020, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 23, 2020, 10:06:38 PM
I think you are not picking...

Someone kept driving past a mast, but it was not located in the village, it was on a hill. They also can't place that phone in his hand that night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 23, 2020, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 23, 2020, 10:06:38 PM
I think you are not picking...

I'm not not picking.

It seems like a significant point to me.

Either his phone places him right outside the Ocean Cub because of a ping on the OC mast, as has been claimed, or it only places him in the general area of PDL.

Which is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 23, 2020, 10:17:57 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 23, 2020, 10:14:00 PM
I'm not not picking.

It seems like a significant point to me.

Either his phone places him right outside the Ocean Cub because of a ping on the OC mast, as has been claimed, or it only places him in the general area of PDL.

Which is it?
I’m pretty sure the programme made the claim that the phone ping put him within one minute’s drive of the OC.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 23, 2020, 10:22:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 23, 2020, 10:17:57 PM
I’m pretty sure the programme made the claim that the phone ping put him within one minute’s drive of the OC.

From which mast?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 23, 2020, 10:23:39 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 23, 2020, 10:22:43 PM
From which mast?
A mast a minute’s drive away presumably.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 23, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
Telegraph review

Madeleine McCann: The Hunt for the Prime Suspect, review: Brisk documentary sacrifices clarity for criss-crossing drama
Latest McCann documentary shows just how little authorities have learnt from the bungled police operation

By Ed Power 23 July 2020 • 10:21pm
Have police finally discovered what happened to Madeleine McCann?
Have police finally discovered what happened to Madeleine McCann?
At one point during Madeleine McCann: The Hunt for the Prime Suspect (ITV) the camera panned over a map of Europe criss-crossed with pins and lines of red string. These represented attempts to track the movements of Christian Brückner, the convicted sex offender named by prosecutors in Germany as their prime suspect in the case.

But the image also seemed to epitomise the film itself as it sent the viewer pinging from the Algarve, from where three-year-old McCann vanished in 2007, to New Scotland Yard and then to Lower Saxony where, for the time being at least, Brückner is behind bars.

This was a brisk and unsensational documentary. Presented by ITV News’s Julie Etchingham, it had the dual challenge of outlining the German authorities’ case against Brückner and of cataloguing the multitude of failures that have left McCann’s disappearance unsolved 13 years on.

What it wasn’t was particularly slick and it lacked the exploitative flourishes of Netflix’s long-form rumination on the saga, The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann, from 2019.

With a running time of just an hour the broadcast had taken a lot on. It had to relay the story of Brückner’s emergence as a suspect – which included the police receiving a call after a man in a bar “said something that suggested he knew what had happened” to McCann  – and to set out the basic facts going back to 2007. And it certainly moved at a canter, though occasionally at the price of clarity.

Christian Brueckner
Christian Brueckner Credit: Facebook
One moment we were in the Algarve in 2007 on the night McCann disappeared from a holiday apartment at Praia da Luz. The next we were in a woods in Germany in 2016 where child pornography was discovered buried next to a dead dog. And then to Portugal once more and archive footage of Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, running the gauntlet of flashing bulbs. You wanted it to pause and take a breath, if only for a moment.

Brückner remained a mystery throughout – the black hole around which everything swirled. He was clearly troubled and dangerous, having been convicted of abusing a child at just 17.

Thereafter he lived a peripatetic life, drifting between Germany and Portugal and surviving on odd-jobs. He dabbled in burglary and was convicted of the rape in 2005 of a 72-year-old American woman in the Algarve. He had crept into her apartment upon discovering the door unlocked. None of which was enough to make him an obvious suspect in the crucial hours following McCann’s abduction.

Only towards the end did the Hunt for The Prime Suspect cut to the chase. Brückner’s mobile phone was confirmed as in the vicinity of the McCann apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared. And there is evidence a call was made. But it is impossible to prove Brückner was in possession of the phone. As he is not talking, the case may hinge on someone coming forward and divulging the contents of that conversation.

Will a witness emerge? The German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters did not seem entirely confident. If they do not and Brückner’s appeal against the 2005 rape succeeds he may be free within a few years.



“The biggest challenge for the German prosecutor to get witnesses is the fact that any confidant would have to incriminate himself,” commented German criminal law specialist Dr Alexander Stevens. “Once you are involved in a murder crime, they would have to at least we sentenced to 10 years prison. So, the chances of getting somebody to come forward are actually quite low.”

If that wasn’t sobering enough a parade of experts from the UK and Portugal also appeared to cast doubt on whether police had taken on board much from the bungling of the investigation 13 years ago.

“You can abduct a child in one European country. And in 24 hours drive right across Europe,” said Dr Graham Hill a former detective with Surrey Police who flew to Portugal in 2007 to help with the case. “And I'm not so sure that much or anything different will be done because I'm not so sure we've learned the lessons.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 23, 2020, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 23, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
Telegraph review

Madeleine McCann: The Hunt for the Prime Suspect, review: Brisk documentary sacrifices clarity for criss-crossing drama
Latest McCann documentary shows just how little authorities have learnt from the bungled police operation

By Ed Power 23 July 2020 • 10:21pm
Have police finally discovered what happened to Madeleine McCann?
Have police finally discovered what happened to Madeleine McCann?
At one point during Madeleine McCann: The Hunt for the Prime Suspect (ITV) the camera panned over a map of Europe criss-crossed with pins and lines of red string. These represented attempts to track the movements of Christian Brückner, the convicted sex offender named by prosecutors in Germany as their prime suspect in the case.

But the image also seemed to epitomise the film itself as it sent the viewer pinging from the Algarve, from where three-year-old McCann vanished in 2007, to New Scotland Yard and then to Lower Saxony where, for the time being at least, Brückner is behind bars.

This was a brisk and unsensational documentary. Presented by ITV News’s Julie Etchingham, it had the dual challenge of outlining the German authorities’ case against Brückner and of cataloguing the multitude of failures that have left McCann’s disappearance unsolved 13 years on.

What it wasn’t was particularly slick and it lacked the exploitative flourishes of Netflix’s long-form rumination on the saga, The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann, from 2019.

With a running time of just an hour the broadcast had taken a lot on. It had to relay the story of Brückner’s emergence as a suspect – which included the police receiving a call after a man in a bar “said something that suggested he knew what had happened” to McCann  – and to set out the basic facts going back to 2007. And it certainly moved at a canter, though occasionally at the price of clarity.

Christian Brueckner
Christian Brueckner Credit: Facebook
One moment we were in the Algarve in 2007 on the night McCann disappeared from a holiday apartment at Praia da Luz. The next we were in a woods in Germany in 2016 where child pornography was discovered buried next to a dead dog. And then to Portugal once more and archive footage of Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, running the gauntlet of flashing bulbs. You wanted it to pause and take a breath, if only for a moment.

Brückner remained a mystery throughout – the black hole around which everything swirled. He was clearly troubled and dangerous, having been convicted of abusing a child at just 17.

Thereafter he lived a peripatetic life, drifting between Germany and Portugal and surviving on odd-jobs. He dabbled in burglary and was convicted of the rape in 2005 of a 72-year-old American woman in the Algarve. He had crept into her apartment upon discovering the door unlocked. None of which was enough to make him an obvious suspect in the crucial hours following McCann’s abduction.

Only towards the end did the Hunt for The Prime Suspect cut to the chase. Brückner’s mobile phone was confirmed as in the vicinity of the McCann apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared. And there is evidence a call was made. But it is impossible to prove Brückner was in possession of the phone. As he is not talking, the case may hinge on someone coming forward and divulging the contents of that conversation.

Will a witness emerge? The German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters did not seem entirely confident. If they do not and Brückner’s appeal against the 2005 rape succeeds he may be free within a few years.



“The biggest challenge for the German prosecutor to get witnesses is the fact that any confidant would have to incriminate himself,” commented German criminal law specialist Dr Alexander Stevens. “Once you are involved in a murder crime, they would have to at least we sentenced to 10 years prison. So, the chances of getting somebody to come forward are actually quite low.”

If that wasn’t sobering enough a parade of experts from the UK and Portugal also appeared to cast doubt on whether police had taken on board much from the bungling of the investigation 13 years ago.

“You can abduct a child in one European country. And in 24 hours drive right across Europe,” said Dr Graham Hill a former detective with Surrey Police who flew to Portugal in 2007 to help with the case. “And I'm not so sure that much or anything different will be done because I'm not so sure we've learned the lessons.”

The documentary on Brueckner suggested that he might actually have been what has always been ridiculed ... a burglar who became an opportunist abductor.  So an accomplice, if he had one, might be persuaded to come forward without risking ten years jail time if Madeleine's abduction was all down to him and they had no knowledge of it before or after?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 23, 2020, 11:28:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 23, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
Telegraph review

Madeleine McCann: The Hunt for the Prime Suspect, review: Brisk documentary sacrifices clarity for criss-crossing drama
Latest McCann documentary shows just how little authorities have learnt from the bungled police operation

By Ed Power 23 July 2020 • 10:21pm
Have police finally discovered what happened to Madeleine McCann?
Have police finally discovered what happened to Madeleine McCann?
At one point during Madeleine McCann: The Hunt for the Prime Suspect (ITV) the camera panned over a map of Europe criss-crossed with pins and lines of red string. These represented attempts to track the movements of Christian Brückner, the convicted sex offender named by prosecutors in Germany as their prime suspect in the case.

But the image also seemed to epitomise the film itself as it sent the viewer pinging from the Algarve, from where three-year-old McCann vanished in 2007, to New Scotland Yard and then to Lower Saxony where, for the time being at least, Brückner is behind bars.

This was a brisk and unsensational documentary. Presented by ITV News’s Julie Etchingham, it had the dual challenge of outlining the German authorities’ case against Brückner and of cataloguing the multitude of failures that have left McCann’s disappearance unsolved 13 years on.

What it wasn’t was particularly slick and it lacked the exploitative flourishes of Netflix’s long-form rumination on the saga, The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann, from 2019.

With a running time of just an hour the broadcast had taken a lot on. It had to relay the story of Brückner’s emergence as a suspect – which included the police receiving a call after a man in a bar “said something that suggested he knew what had happened” to McCann  – and to set out the basic facts going back to 2007. And it certainly moved at a canter, though occasionally at the price of clarity.

Christian Brueckner
Christian Brueckner Credit: Facebook
One moment we were in the Algarve in 2007 on the night McCann disappeared from a holiday apartment at Praia da Luz. The next we were in a woods in Germany in 2016 where child pornography was discovered buried next to a dead dog. And then to Portugal once more and archive footage of Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, running the gauntlet of flashing bulbs. You wanted it to pause and take a breath, if only for a moment.

Brückner remained a mystery throughout – the black hole around which everything swirled. He was clearly troubled and dangerous, having been convicted of abusing a child at just 17.

Thereafter he lived a peripatetic life, drifting between Germany and Portugal and surviving on odd-jobs. He dabbled in burglary and was convicted of the rape in 2005 of a 72-year-old American woman in the Algarve. He had crept into her apartment upon discovering the door unlocked. None of which was enough to make him an obvious suspect in the crucial hours following McCann’s abduction.

Only towards the end did the Hunt for The Prime Suspect cut to the chase. Brückner’s mobile phone was confirmed as in the vicinity of the McCann apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared. And there is evidence a call was made. But it is impossible to prove Brückner was in possession of the phone. As he is not talking, the case may hinge on someone coming forward and divulging the contents of that conversation.

Will a witness emerge? The German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters did not seem entirely confident. If they do not and Brückner’s appeal against the 2005 rape succeeds he may be free within a few years.



“The biggest challenge for the German prosecutor to get witnesses is the fact that any confidant would have to incriminate himself,” commented German criminal law specialist Dr Alexander Stevens. “Once you are involved in a murder crime, they would have to at least we sentenced to 10 years prison. So, the chances of getting somebody to come forward are actually quite low.”

If that wasn’t sobering enough a parade of experts from the UK and Portugal also appeared to cast doubt on whether police had taken on board much from the bungling of the investigation 13 years ago.

“You can abduct a child in one European country. And in 24 hours drive right across Europe,” said Dr Graham Hill a former detective with Surrey Police who flew to Portugal in 2007 to help with the case. “And I'm not so sure that much or anything different will be done because I'm not so sure we've learned the lessons.”

I wonder why CEOP was left out of Hill's past? It was as a member of CEOP that he was in PdL, not as a member of Surrey police.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 23, 2020, 11:35:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 23, 2020, 11:02:17 PM
The documentary on Brueckner suggested that he might actually have been what has always been ridiculed ... a burglar who became an opportunist abductor.  So an accomplice, if he had one, might be persuaded to come forward without risking ten years jail time if Madeleine's abduction was all down to him and they had no knowledge of it before or after?


How did he know it was an 'empty' apartment, ripe for burglaring?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 23, 2020, 11:41:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 23, 2020, 11:35:40 PM

How did he know it was an 'empty' apartment, ripe for burglaring?
How does any burglar of any empty apartment?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 23, 2020, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 23, 2020, 11:28:56 PM
I wonder why CEOP was left out of Hill's past? It was as a member of CEOP that he was in PdL, not as a member of Surrey police.
No idea.  Perhaps you can make something of it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 24, 2020, 12:23:57 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 23, 2020, 11:28:56 PM
I wonder why CEOP was left out of Hill's past? It was as a member of CEOP that he was in PdL, not as a member of Surrey police.

Probably some nefarious reason or other and if there wasn't you can be sure someone will invent one ... in the interim I don't think he is too much bothered as he gets to the nub of what the documentary was actually all about.

Graham Hill, University of Leeds
This raises several questions: was he known to the Portuguese investigation team at the time? If so, when did his name enter their system and what did they do to implicate or eliminate him from their enquiry? When was his name passed on to the UK investigation team? These are questions at the forefront of my mind as I think back to my time in Portugal.

Madeleine McCann had been missing for several days when I arrived in Praia da Luz in May 2007. I had been sent to Portugal as part of the UK’s Child Exploitation Online Protection Centre (CEOP) response to Madeleine’s disappearance. I was a detective superintendent and senior investigating officer (SIO) with knowledge about predatory child sexual abusers and non-familial child abduction.

After being briefed at the British Consulate regarding Madeleine’s disappearance, I met with Gerry and Kate McCann at their holiday apartment and we discussed the Portuguese police investigation strategy and possible scenarios that could have led to their daughter’s disappearance. Understandably, the McCanns were trying to come to terms with the situation they found themselves in.

‘Flawed from the start’
During our discussion, Gerry asked me directly if I thought his daughter was still alive, and I pointed out that if she had been abducted – statistically – she would by now be dead. The majority of children who are murdered after being abducted by someone unknown to them are dead within three to six hours. It was a difficult conversation, but I was struck by how focused the McCanns remained throughout.

The following day I went to the police station in Praia da Luz and spoke with several of the lead Portuguese investigators. They were all very polite but it was clear from their attitude and response that they didn’t welcome what they considered to be UK interference in a Portuguese crime. At that time, they were also receiving advice from Leicestershire Police (the McCanns’ home police force) supported by the then UK National Police Improvement Agency (NPIA).

From the outset I was struck by the lack of urgency surrounding the investigation and it was difficult to establish any detailed information around what direction the investigation was taking. Over the next few days, whenever I suggested certain courses of action that they might wish to consider, the Portuguese police either dismissed it out of hand or I was informed that it had already been done without result.

Flawed investigation
As the days went by, I became more and more frustrated and I relayed this back to CEOP in my telephone conversations and daily written reports. After ten exasperating days avoiding the growing media presence, trying to get and impart information and having meetings cancelled at the last minute because investigators were too busy, it was still unclear to me whether many of the key investigative tasks had been adequately completed.

For example, I had serious misgivings about the quality of the search strategy, the recording of full-time and casual staff at the holiday complex, identification of all known suspected and convicted sex offenders living or frequenting the area, and other significant or relevant crimes in the local area.

My professional opinion was that the Portuguese investigative approach to Madeleine’s disappearance was flawed and not fit for purpose when set against what we would have been done in a similar investigation in the UK. This was reflected time and time again in my verbal and written reports and the “fiasco” was regularly reported on in the press.

Disappointingly, as the investigation progressed there was also a certain amount of inter-agency rivalry between the UK agencies involved, which resulted in a fraught working relationship.
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-investigation-portugal-praia-da-luz-flawed-explained-442447
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 12:47:40 AM
I can't imagine why the British thought it was acceptable to send people over without any requests for help by the PJ. Hill was the head of Behavioural Analysis for CEOP, so his job was to produce offender profiles, not to advise on search procedures. The arrogance is amazing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 24, 2020, 01:07:33 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 12:47:40 AM
I can't imagine why the British thought it was acceptable to send people over without any requests for help by the PJ. Hill was the head of Behavioural Analysis for CEOP, so his job was to produce offender profiles, not to advise on search procedures. The arrogance is amazing.

WOT !!?

After The Michael Cook injustices and the Leonor and Joao Cipriano torture and injustices.

The Brits would have been failing in their duty to their fellow Brits had they not made attempts to do something constructive.

Have you forgotten what happened under Amarals leadership ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 24, 2020, 04:49:53 AM
A repeat of "Madeleine McCann: The Hunt for the Prime Suspect" here...

https://www.itv.com/hub/madeleine-mccann-the-hunt-for-the-prime-suspect/10a0436 (https://www.itv.com/hub/madeleine-mccann-the-hunt-for-the-prime-suspect/10a0436)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 24, 2020, 04:54:49 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 24, 2020, 04:49:53 AM
A repeat of "Madeleine McCann: The Hunt for the Prime Suspect" here...

https://www.itv.com/hub/madeleine-mccann-the-hunt-for-the-prime-suspect/10a0436 (https://www.itv.com/hub/madeleine-mccann-the-hunt-for-the-prime-suspect/10a0436)
We seem to need to register to get ITV.  It wants a postcode.  What is a valid postcode?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 24, 2020, 05:23:02 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 24, 2020, 04:54:49 AM
We seem to need to register to get ITV.  It wants a postcode.  What is a valid postcode?
You might not be able to access it in the Antipodes.  A postcode is your house locator for postal deliveries.

In the UK it's... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postcodes_in_the_United_Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postcodes_in_the_United_Kingdom)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 24, 2020, 06:31:57 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 24, 2020, 04:54:49 AM
We seem to need to register to get ITV.  It wants a postcode.  What is a valid postcode?
Don't worth Rob,you've not missed anything if you watch it It'll be an hour of your life you'll never get back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 07:10:23 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 12:47:40 AM
I can't imagine why the British thought it was acceptable to send people over without any requests for help by the PJ. Hill was the head of Behavioural Analysis for CEOP, so his job was to produce offender profiles, not to advise on search procedures. The arrogance is amazing.
As the McCanns lawyer said at the end of the programme this shouldn’t have been a champion’s league of police forces, or some sort of competition.  The PJ should have been grateful for any help forthcoming from any police force and worked with them not get all macho and indignant about it.  It wasn’t about their pride and feelings, it was about a missing child and they really shouldn’t have been so bloody minded and childish.  All IMO. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 07:11:18 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 24, 2020, 06:31:57 AM
Don't worth Rob,you've not missed anything if you watch it It'll be an hour of your life you'll never get back.
@)(++(* I told you not to watch it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 24, 2020, 07:26:28 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 24, 2020, 07:11:18 AM
@)(++(* I told you not to watch it.
I spose the only thing of note was once the German is ruled out through lack of evidence,that's it there is no where else to go.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 07:29:50 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 24, 2020, 07:26:28 AM
I spose the only thing of note was once the German is ruled out through lack of evidence,that's it there is no where else to go.
How is he going to be ruled out, do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 24, 2020, 07:44:58 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 24, 2020, 07:26:28 AM
I spose the only thing of note was once the German is ruled out through lack of evidence,that's it there is no where else to go.

Please provide a cite as per forum etiquette..as to how CB will be ruled out. Explain how he proposes to prove his innocence.

The truth is he doesnt have to be ruled out and doesnt have to prove his innocence. These were new conditions made up  to falsely question the innocence of the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 08:09:52 AM
One thing the programme did confirm is that thr PJ are treating CB as a suspect.  Some people seemed to think they were working on an entirely different theory.  If he IS a PJ suspect then that would seem to confirm that they were looking for Madeleine’s body down a well not anything connected to the murder of some old bloke nearby.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 24, 2020, 08:27:04 AM
the programmme also conforms it was the germans who made the mobile phone connection which makes those trying to label them as a laughing stock look a bit stupid themeselves
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 24, 2020, 08:33:55 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 24, 2020, 07:29:50 AM
How is he going to be ruled out, do you think?

Lack of evidence,bit obvious really,all hangs on a phonecall which may or more importantly not implicate him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 24, 2020, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 08:27:04 AM
the programmme also conforms it was the germans who made the mobile phone connection which makes those trying to label them as a laughing stock look a bit stupid themeselves

Not forgetting which force recorded all the data in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 24, 2020, 08:36:51 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 24, 2020, 08:35:34 AM
Not forgetting which force recorded all the data in the first place.

the only force that had access to it....I wonder whos idea it was
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on July 24, 2020, 08:44:36 AM
its now  29 years  since ben  needham vanished i wonder if the police are stilll looking for him??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 09:32:08 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 24, 2020, 08:33:55 AM
Lack of evidence,bit obvious really,all hangs on a phonecall which may or more importantly not implicate him.
So, in your opinion the McCanns have been ruled out on the same basis?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on July 24, 2020, 08:44:36 AM
its now  29 years  since ben  needham vanished i wonder if the police are stilll looking for him??
This thread is about a German supsect in the Madeleine McCann disappearance.  Perhaps you should raise your very pertinent question in the Ben Needham forum?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 09:35:29 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 24, 2020, 08:09:52 AM
One thing the programme did confirm is that thr PJ are treating CB as a suspect.  Some people seemed to think they were working on an entirely different theory.  If he IS a PJ suspect then that would seem to confirm that they were looking for Madeleine’s body down a well not anything connected to the murder of some old bloke nearby.

PJ suspect then that would seem to confirm that they were looking for Madeleine’s body down a well not anything connected to the murder of some old bloke nearby.


Well if that the case as you think...we know gmc phone pinged there I believe.

It all seems to stem around a phone call CB made and received...

It could have been anyone in or around PDL ..maybe even one of the famous 9 IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 24, 2020, 09:46:44 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 09:35:29 AM
PJ suspect then that would seem to confirm that they were looking for Madeleine’s body down a well not anything connected to the murder of some old bloke nearby.


Well if that the case as you think...we know gmc phone pinged there I believe.

It all seems to stem around a phone call CB made and received...

It could have been anyone in or around PDL ..maybe even one of the famous 9 IMO.

Its about time you and other sceptics woke up. The mCCanns are not suspects and havent been for  a long time.

All three forces are looking at an abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 10:00:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 09:46:44 AM
Its about time you and other sceptics woke up. The mCCanns are not suspects and havent been for  a long time.

All three forces are looking at an abduction.

This is not going to happen and it never was.  I don't really care anymore.  They can let that Paedophile, Rapist loose for all it matters to me.

The McCanns will never be Charged and The Whole World knows who Bruckner is and what he looks like.  So job done one way or another.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 10:06:42 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 10:00:33 AM
This is not going to happen and it never was.  I don't really care anymore.  They can let that Paedophile, Rapist loose for all it matters to me.

The McCanns will never be Charged and The Whole World knows who Bruckner is and what he looks like.  So job done one way or another.

Yep, it doesn't matter if Brueckner didn't do it & the McCanns did, just so long as everyone knows who Brueckner is.

That's justice for Maddie. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 10:17:16 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 10:06:42 AM
Yep, it doesn't matter if Brueckner didn't do it & the McCanns did, just so long as everyone knows who Brueckner is.

That's justice for Maddie.

And the people Brueckner Raped and Sexually Abused.  I doubt he will do that again in a hurry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 24, 2020, 10:18:47 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 10:00:33 AM
This is not going to happen and it never was.  I don't really care anymore.  They can let that Paedophile, Rapist loose for all it matters to me.

The McCanns will never be Charged and The Whole World knows who Bruckner is and what he looks like.  So job done one way or another.

A very good summation of the typical supporter position - if you don't mind me saying so.  ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 10:20:13 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 24, 2020, 10:18:47 AM
A very good summation of the typical supporter position - if you don't mind me saying so.  ?{)(**

Thank You.  How kind.  It's what keeps me going.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 10:17:16 AM
And the people Brueckner Raped and Sexually Abused.  I doubt he will do that again in a hurry.

They have about as much to do with Maddie's disappearance as him selling crack & siphoning diesel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 24, 2020, 10:27:50 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 10:20:13 AM
Thank You.  How kind.  It's what keeps me going.
You need another outlet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 09:46:44 AM
Its about time you and other sceptics woke up. The mCCanns are not suspects and havent been for  a long time.

All three forces are looking at an abduction.

It seems there were a lot of deleted calls that night.

Who was last seen around 9 15 outside the apartment gmc

I f CB had been there what a coincidence INO.

And if he had gone in the apartment no evidence was left or could have been destroyed.

snip diary


SUNDAY, JUNE 17: On Sky News tonight they suddenly said the Portuguese police had stated that the crime scene had been contaminated' because of us' and that fundamental evidence had been lost. How dare they insinuate that our daughter's life could be put in danger because of us. Very angry. Very upset.
I want to speak to someone now, but it's too late.
I changed my mind and I sent a text message to Ricardo (Portuguese police family liaison officer). I don't know if was a sensible idea but I feel really annoyed.   [..]I fell asleep after 1am. unquote
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 24, 2020, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
It seems there were a lot of deleted calls that night.

Who was last seen around 9 15 outside the apartment gmc

I f CB had been there what a coincidence INO.

And if he had gone in the apartment no evidence was left or could have been destroyed.

snip diary


SUNDAY, JUNE 17: On Sky News tonight they suddenly said the Portuguese police had stated that the crime scene had been contaminated' because of us' and that fundamental evidence had been lost. How dare they insinuate that our daughter's life could be put in danger because of us. Very angry. Very upset.
I want to speak to someone now, but it's too late.
I changed my mind and I sent a text message to Ricardo (Portuguese police family liaison officer). I don't know if was a sensible idea but I feel really annoyed.   [..]I fell asleep after 1am. unquote

any deleted calls will be on the call log from the phone company
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 12:11:16 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 10:23:31 AM
They have about as much to do with Maddie's disappearance as him selling crack & siphoning diesel.

Really?  You think that Raping Old Women and Sexually Abusing Small Girls has nothing to do with this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 24, 2020, 10:27:50 AM
You need another outlet.

And you need to mind your own business first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
It seems there were a lot of deleted calls that night.

Who was last seen around 9 15 outside the apartment gmc

I f CB had been there what a coincidence INO.

And if he had gone in the apartment no evidence was left or could have been destroyed.

snip diary


SUNDAY, JUNE 17: On Sky News tonight they suddenly said the Portuguese police had stated that the crime scene had been contaminated' because of us' and that fundamental evidence had been lost. How dare they insinuate that our daughter's life could be put in danger because of us. Very angry. Very upset.
I want to speak to someone now, but it's too late.
I changed my mind and I sent a text message to Ricardo (Portuguese police family liaison officer). I don't know if was a sensible idea but I feel really annoyed.   [..]I fell asleep after 1am. unquote

It wasn't exactly what Olegario Sousa said;

"the presence of so many persons, especially in the bedroom where the child slept with her siblings, could, at least, have complicated the Scientific Police's work and, in the utmost, have destroyed evidence. It may even have been fatal for the investigation."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/evidence-of-maddie-abductor-destroyed-17-6-07-t1667.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 12:41:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 12:23:11 PM
It wasn't exactly what Olegario Sousa said;

"the presence of so many persons, especially in the bedroom where the child slept with her siblings, could, at least, have complicated the Scientific Police's work and, in the utmost, have destroyed evidence. It may even have been fatal for the investigation."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/evidence-of-maddie-abductor-destroyed-17-6-07-t1667.html

What Scientific Police Work?  There hasn't been any.  Even the fingerprint expert was only wearing one glove.  And The Police were dropping Fag Ash all over the place, along with Dog Hairs.

Very Scientific was it Not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 24, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
The Germans want to know who CB was talking too that night. CB says hes innocent...why doesn't he just expalin...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 01:04:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
The Germans want to know who CB was talking too that night. CB says hes innocent...why doesn't he just expalin...

I don't see that his private phone call is anybody's business but his myself.

Who did you phone on May 3rd?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 24, 2020, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 01:04:57 PM
I don't see that his private phone call is anybody's business but his myself.

Who did you phone on May 3rd?


I dont see that as any sort of sensible argument. If you look at the first case solved by DNA you will see how good police investigations work
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 24, 2020, 01:10:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
The Germans want to know who CB was talking too that night. CB says hes innocent...why doesn't he just expalin...

Why haven't they asked him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
The Germans want to know who CB was talking too that night. CB says hes innocent...why doesn't he just expalin...

1. Can they prove it was his phone?
2. Can they prove it was him using it on 3rd May?

If not then he has no need to explain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 24, 2020, 01:17:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 01:14:55 PM
1. Can they prove it was his phone?
2. Can they prove it was him using it on 3rd May?

If not then he has no need to explain.

Do you understand the law. He had no need to explain anything.....and that's exactly... according to his lawyer as I recall...what he intends to do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 24, 2020, 01:10:21 PM
Why haven't they asked him.

He isn't answering Questions.  Which is his right. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 01:17:37 PM
Do you understand the law. He had no need to explain anything.....and that's exactly... according to his lawyer as I recall...what he intends to do

Blimmin Hell.  It doesn't half take some explaining.  To people who don't want to know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 24, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
The Germans want to know who CB was talking too that night. CB says hes innocent...why doesn't he just expalin...

Quote from: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 01:33:35 PM
He isn't answering Questions.  Which is his right. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 01:39:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 01:17:37 PM
Do you understand the law. He had no need to explain anything.....and that's exactly... according to his lawyer as I recall...what he intends to do

So why did you post "why doesn't he just expalin..." if you knew the answer?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 24, 2020, 01:41:01 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 01:39:40 PM
So why did you post "why doesn't he just expalin..." if you knew the answer?

Because it's a reasonable question
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 01:52:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 01:17:37 PM
Do you understand the law. He had no need to explain anything.....and that's exactly... according to his lawyer as I recall...what he intends to do

If its a PAYG they will have to prove it belonged to CB.

Not it just being his number in someones phone book IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 02:01:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
It seems there were a lot of deleted calls that night.

Who was last seen around 9 15 outside the apartment gmc

I f CB had been there what a coincidence INO.

And if he had gone in the apartment no evidence was left or could have been destroyed.

snip diary


SUNDAY, JUNE 17: On Sky News tonight they suddenly said the Portuguese police had stated that the crime scene had been contaminated' because of us' and that fundamental evidence had been lost. How dare they insinuate that our daughter's life could be put in danger because of us. Very angry. Very upset.
I want to speak to someone now, but it's too late.
I changed my mind and I sent a text message to Ricardo (Portuguese police family liaison officer). I don't know if was a sensible idea but I feel really annoyed.   [..]I fell asleep after 1am. unquote
There were no calls to or from CB's phone from any of the Tapas 9 unless you know different?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 24, 2020, 02:01:04 PM
There were no calls to or from CB's phone from any of the Tapas 9 unless you know different?

Do you know who the mystery caller was then.......plenty of PAYG mobiles around in 2007 costing peanuts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 24, 2020, 03:19:01 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 01:04:57 PM
I don't see that his private phone call is anybody's business but his myself.

Who did you phone on May 3rd?

He is a prime suspect in the investigation into a missing child.   His phone number has been identified by a phone call made in the area of the Ocean Club not long before Madeleine disappeared.   He has been known to break into apartments,  he broke into an apartment in Portugal not far from where the McCann's were staying and beat and raped a woman.   Now I'm sorry if a bit of personal information as to who he was calling has to be investigated,  he has lost the privilege of saying 'its nobody's business'   IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 24, 2020, 03:22:54 PM
According to the programme aired last night.   CB's phone number was on the list that they collected.   It was said that it seems the phone numbers where not checked  adequately otherwise they would have found it.  I don't believe they didn't know he had a record of sexual abuse against children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 03:28:26 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 24, 2020, 03:19:01 PM
He is a prime suspect in the investigation into a missing child.   His phone number has been identified by a phone call made in the area of the Ocean Club not long before Madeleine disappeared.   He has been known to break into apartments,  he broke into an apartment in Portugal not far from where the McCann's were staying and beat and raped a woman.   Now I'm sorry if a bit of personal information as to who he was calling has to be investigated,  he has lost the privilege of saying 'its nobody's business'   IMO

The mccs apartment wasn't broke into.

Or you think it was CB who entered it .that will have been around the time gmcc was there.

This saga can have more twists and turns than expected imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 24, 2020, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 24, 2020, 03:22:54 PM
According to the programme aired last night.   CB's phone number was on the list that they collected.   It was said that it seems the phone numbers where not checked  adequately otherwise they would have found it.  I don't believe they didn't know he had a record of sexual abuse against children.

Who is 'they'?  No doubt the court system knew because they sent him back to Germany. Why should other parts of the legal system have  known ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 24, 2020, 02:01:04 PM
There were no calls to or from CB's phone from any of the Tapas 9 unless you know different?

Really?  Well I never.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 04:58:56 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 24, 2020, 03:19:01 PM
He is a prime suspect in the investigation into a missing child.   His phone number has been identified by a phone call made in the area of the Ocean Club not long before Madeleine disappeared.   He has been known to break into apartments,  he broke into an apartment in Portugal not far from where the McCann's were staying and beat and raped a woman.   Now I'm sorry if a bit of personal information as to who he was calling has to be investigated,  he has lost the privilege of saying 'its nobody's business'   IMO

No he hasn't.

He has a right to say b....r all.

Or has the law suddenly changed for him just because he has some minor previous?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 05:44:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 02:16:04 PM
Do you know who the mystery caller was then.......plenty of PAYG mobiles around in 2007 costing peanuts.
The police had the McCanns phone numbers.  Are you suggesting that on the night in question they gained access to another mystery phone with a Portuguese number and called the local paedo / rapist to have a30 minute  chat?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 05:44:49 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 04:58:56 PM
No he hasn't.

He has a right to say b....r all.

Or has the law suddenly changed for him just because he has some minor previous?

But Kate had to answer The Questions?  Or do you think not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 05:44:49 PM
But Kate had to answer The Questions?  Or do you think not.

That's right, she didn't have to answer questions. 

But she answered question 49.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 24, 2020, 05:58:12 PM
For anyone not in the UK:

ITV Madeleine McCann documentary 23 July, 2020

https://youtu.be/7aZQpjEESZc
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 24, 2020, 06:04:41 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 24, 2020, 05:58:12 PM
For anyone not in the UK:

ITV Madeleine McCann documentary 23 July, 2020

https://youtu.be/7aZQpjEESZc (https://youtu.be/7aZQpjEESZc)
Better hurry and download to save before ITV copyright kicks in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 24, 2020, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 24, 2020, 05:58:12 PM
For anyone not in the UK:

ITV Madeleine McCann documentary 23 July, 2020

https://youtu.be/7aZQpjEESZc

How sad is it that the usual suspects have flooded the comments section with their usual bile.  How is it possible to continue doing this after watching a video about a really dangerous criminal who it is possible might never have been heard of without the efforts of Madeleine's parents to find her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 24, 2020, 06:13:47 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 24, 2020, 06:11:39 PM
How sad is it that the usual suspects have flooded the comments section with their usual bile.  How is it possible to continue doing this after watching a video about a really dangerous criminal who it is possible might never have been heard of without the efforts of Madeleine's parents to find her.
99% of the commentators (for want of a better word) are complete nutters!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 06:31:47 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 24, 2020, 06:11:39 PM
How sad is it that the usual suspects have flooded the comments section with their usual bile.  How is it possible to continue doing this after watching a video about a really dangerous criminal who it is possible might never have been heard of without the efforts of Madeleine's parents to find her.
These latest developments appear to have really put the wind up them and brought out the worst in them.  One can only guess at the anger and frustration they are feeling after 13 years of trying to convince the world the McCanns dunnit and not being listened to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 06:47:37 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 10:06:42 AM
Yep, it doesn't matter if Brueckner didn't do it & the McCanns did, just so long as everyone knows who Brueckner is.

That's justice for Maddie.
Whereas you’d prefer him to have been kept completely anonymous, released from prison asap and for him to move into your neighbourhood where local children and old women would be completely unsuspecting I suppose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 24, 2020, 06:11:39 PM
How sad is it that the usual suspects have flooded the comments section with their usual bile.  How is it possible to continue doing this after watching a video about a really dangerous criminal who it is possible might never have been heard of without the efforts of Madeleine's parents to find her.

I didn't pay any attention to the link shared initially.

But now, thanks to you. I have been directed to the comments section.

Hours of fun for me now to be had libelling the McCanns without consequence.

Ta very much.   *&(+(+
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 06:53:15 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 24, 2020, 06:13:47 PM
99% of the commentators (for want of a better word) are complete nutters!

How kind is that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 06:54:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 06:51:12 PM
I didn't pay any attention to the link shared initially.

But now, thanks to you. I have been directed to the comments section.

Hours of fun for me now to be had libelling the McCanns without consequence.

Ta very much.   *&(+(+
How sad that libelling the McCanns is your preferred entertainment on a Friday night.  The expression “get a life” comes to mind...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 07:02:40 PM

Will you all pease not Reply to Disgusting Comments.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 24, 2020, 07:06:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 24, 2020, 06:31:47 PM
These latest developments appear to have really put the wind up them and brought out the worst in them.  One can only guess at the anger and frustration they are feeling after 13 years of trying to convince the world the McCanns dunnit and not being listened to.

There was always the probability that Madeleine was taken in a botched burglary and that was still very much an option discussed on the ITV programme.

The Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard have certainly investigated and continue to investigate burglaries. 

The PJ and SY now along with the German Prosecutors now make three informed professional bodies who accept that Madeleine was abducted if not by Brueckner but by someone sharing many of his characteristics.

There is little doubt that the notion implanted by Amaral that Brueckner is a scapegoat sits uneasily with his profile.  That is who he is.

I despair of the mindset that still feels the necessity to pillory people who are all too well aware that the Judicial Police have been diving in wells looking for their daughter's body.

I don't think that is 'human nature' ... I think it is inhumanity writ large and I think there is no excuse for them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2020, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 24, 2020, 06:54:11 PM
How sad that libelling the McCanns is your preferred entertainment on a Friday night.  The expression “get a life” comes to mind...

You're here on a friday night.  What's your excuse?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 07:13:39 PM
Rats when cornered are usually at their most vicious. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 07:18:33 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 24, 2020, 03:22:54 PM
According to the programme aired last night.   CB's phone number was on the list that they collected.   It was said that it seems the phone numbers where not checked  adequately otherwise they would have found it.  I don't believe they didn't know he had a record of sexual abuse against children.

There were 7,000 phone calls on that list. Some would be associated with names, some would be unregistered. Unless Brueckner's unregistered number was known, how were they supposed to connect it with him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 24, 2020, 07:49:49 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-woman-claims-she-spotted-missing-girl-in-portuguese-resort-in-2017-12035540
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 24, 2020, 08:05:03 PM
Well fancy that - after only 3 years when there's no way of confirming her story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 24, 2020, 08:17:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 24, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
The Germans want to know who CB was talking too that night. CB says hes innocent...why doesn't he just expalin...
There is the excuse "Erm, erm, I can't recall that it was too long ago".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 24, 2020, 08:17:50 PM
There is the excuse "Erm, erm, I can't recall that it was too long ago".

Has CB actually said that he is innocent?  In so far as I understand The Law then Lawyers always assume that their client is Innocent, otherwise they would not be allowed to defend them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 24, 2020, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 08:35:07 PM
Has CB actually said that he is innocent?  In so far as I understand The Law then Lawyers always assume that their client is Innocent, otherwise they would not be allowed to defend them.

Has anyone asked him ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 08:40:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 24, 2020, 08:36:30 PM
Has anyone asked him ?

Almost certainly not.  Why would they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 24, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
As if he’s going to give an honest reply if he was involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 24, 2020, 08:42:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 08:40:39 PM
Almost certainly not.  Why would they?


Curiosity ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 08:50:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 24, 2020, 08:42:51 PM

Curiosity ?

Defence Lawyers aren't allowed to be curious about the possible guilt of their clients.  Otherwise they would be committing Perjury when in the process of Defence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 09:36:58 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 24, 2020, 07:49:49 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-woman-claims-she-spotted-missing-girl-in-portuguese-resort-in-2017-12035540

Resurection of the coloboma again? Whatever next.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 24, 2020, 11:31:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 24, 2020, 09:36:58 PM
Resurection of the coloboma again? Whatever next.

One of my grandsons has a Coloboma.  I didn't even notice until he was about four years old.  And then only in passing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 25, 2020, 12:07:25 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 24, 2020, 07:06:30 PM
There was always the probability that Madeleine was taken in a botched burglary and that was still very much an option discussed on the ITV programme.

The Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard have certainly investigated and continue to investigate burglaries. 

The PJ and SY now along with the German Prosecutors now make three informed professional bodies who accept that Madeleine was abducted if not by Brueckner but by someone sharing many of his characteristics.

There is little doubt that the notion implanted by Amaral that Brueckner is a scapegoat sits uneasily with his profile.  That is who he is.

I despair of the mindset that still feels the necessity to pillory people who are all too well aware that the Judicial Police have been diving in wells looking for their daughter's body.

I don't think that is 'human nature' ... I think it is inhumanity writ large and I think there is no excuse for them.

A burglar without gloves in your dreams! Keep dreaming.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 06:27:42 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 25, 2020, 12:07:25 AM
A burglar without gloves in your dreams! Keep dreaming.
A burglar without finger or palm prints would be even better.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 25, 2020, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 24, 2020, 03:28:26 PM
The mccs apartment wasn't broke into.

Or you think it was CB who entered it .that will have been around the time gmcc was there.

This saga can have more twists and turns than expected imo


'Broken into'  figure of speech as in 'Breaking and Entering'.

There was nothing stopping him slipping back out through the front door when he heard Gerry arrive.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 25, 2020, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 25, 2020, 09:10:35 AM

'Broken into'  figure of speech as in 'Breaking and Entering'.

There was nothing stopping him slipping back out through the front door when he heard Gerry arrive.


And then back in again after Gerry exits ?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 25, 2020, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 25, 2020, 12:07:25 AM
A burglar without gloves in your dreams! Keep dreaming.

A burglar capable of slipping into holiday apartments and slipping back out unseen with passports, cash or expensive cameras was not a dream in Praia da Luz it was very much a reality.

Brueckner has been identified as such a burglar.  He has also been identified as working with a female accomplice who identified properties for him ... which puts a different interpretation on the woman in the street seen by two witnesses that we know about
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 25, 2020, 09:10:35 AM

'Broken into'  figure of speech as in 'Breaking and Entering'.

There was nothing stopping him slipping back out through the front door when he heard Gerry arrive.
Nice of him to pop the key back on the dining room table before nipping out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:03:07 AM
Quote from: The General on July 25, 2020, 09:51:20 AM
Nice of him to pop the key back on the dining room table before nipping out.
He could have had his own key or a masterkey.   Nothing stopping him leaving by the backdoor and climbing the fence into 5B.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 25, 2020, 10:07:10 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 25, 2020, 09:28:01 AM
A burglar capable of slipping into holiday apartments and slipping back out unseen with passports, cash or expensive cameras was not a dream in Praia da Luz it was very much a reality.

Brueckner has been identified as such a burglar.  He has also been identified as working with a female accomplice who identified properties for him ... which puts a different interpretation on the woman in the street seen by two witnesses that we know about

Yet never charged so who identified him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 25, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 25, 2020, 09:28:01 AM
A burglar capable of slipping into holiday apartments and slipping back out unseen with passports, cash or expensive cameras was not a dream in Praia da Luz it was very much a reality.

Brueckner has been identified as such a burglar.  He has also been identified as working with a female accomplice who identified properties for him ... which puts a different interpretation on the woman in the street seen by two witnesses that we know about

In my opinion Brueckner has not been identified as working with a female accomplice at all. One family spread that rumour and they certainly can't prove it imo. Just because something is printed in the media it shouldn't be repeated as it were a fact. The woman in the street was identified in 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 25, 2020, 10:13:16 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 25, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
In my opinion Brueckner has not been identified as working with a female accomplice at all. One family spread that rumour and they certainly can't prove it imo. Just because something is printed in the media it shouldn't be repeated as it were a fact. The woman in the street was identified in 2007.

there is evidence he worked with a femail acomplice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 25, 2020, 10:15:06 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:03:07 AM
He could have had his own key or a masterkey.   Nothing stopping him leaving by the backdoor and climbing the fence into 5B.

Right, so he's sitting in the garden in 5b while Gerry is chatting away to Jez. How does Tanner see him at the top of the road, child in arms ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 25, 2020, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 25, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
In my opinion Brueckner has not been identified as working with a female accomplice at all. One family spread that rumour and they certainly can't prove it imo. Just because something is printed in the media it shouldn't be repeated as it were a fact. The woman in the street was identified in 2007.

Oh! come on G,first the girl is murdered,now she's recently seen alive,gotta be believable one of the stories surely.
Always reminded of Rowley 2017: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 25, 2020, 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 25, 2020, 10:15:06 AM
Right, so he's sitting in the garden in 5b while Gerry is chatting away to Jez. How does Tanner see him at the top of the road, child in arms ?

Simple answer,she didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:19:41 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 25, 2020, 10:15:06 AM
Right, so he's sitting in the garden in 5b while Gerry is chatting away to Jez. How does Tanner see him at the top of the road, child in arms ?
There was the gate onto the back pathway, and a path around each block of apartments, so go around and out the car park entrance and onto the footpath to be seen by Jane.   I'm just saying it is possible, not that it actually happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 25, 2020, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:19:41 AM
There was the path around each block of apartments, so go around and out the car park entrance and onto the footpath to be seen by Jane.   I'm just saying it is possible, not that it actually happened.


When did he collect Madeleine ?
Remember he has to get back into 5a  again & remove her from bed before he can appear at top of road with child.
Doesn't work at all - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:29:15 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 25, 2020, 10:25:17 AM

When did he collect Madeleine ?
Remember he has to get back into 5a  again & remove her from bed before he can appear at top of road with child.
Doesn't work at all - IMO
Except Gerry made the odd claim, that he thought the intruder was in the apartment when he was in there.   Like the intruder was hiding somewhere in the bedroom or elsewhere in the apartment.   I can't remember where Gerry thought he was.   But I always thought if he had that feeling surely he would have checked, or was that just a feeling from hindsight.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 25, 2020, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:29:15 AM
Except Gerry made the odd claim he thought the intruder was in the apartment when he was in there.   Like hiding somewhere in the bedroom or the apartment, I can't remember where Gerry thought he was.   But I always thought if you had that feeling surely he would have checked, or was that just a feeling from hindsight.

Very much a retro-fit. He thought no such thing at the time - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 25, 2020, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:29:15 AM
Except Gerry made the odd claim, that he thought the intruder was in the apartment when he was in there.   Like the intruder was hiding somewhere in the bedroom or elsewhere in the apartment.   I can't remember where Gerry thought he was.   But I always thought if he had that feeling surely he would have checked, or was that just a feeling from hindsight.

Hindsight.  And perfectly possible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 25, 2020, 10:32:55 AM
Very much a retro-fit. He thought no such thing at the time - IMO
But still it is a very dramatic feeling to have.  So close to getting caught in the act, or so close to coming to blows with a cornered villain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 25, 2020, 11:00:14 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 25, 2020, 09:23:22 AM

And then back in again after Gerry exits ?  I don't think so.

Why not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 25, 2020, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:35:39 AM
But still it is a very dramatic feeling to have.  So close to getting caught in the act, or so close close to coming to blows with a cornered villain.

I imagine all part of the buzz and must be one experienced by the intruder into children's bedrooms who on some occasions was actually interrupted when parents woke a and came to investigate.

Makes it rather obvious such a person wasn't going to get him or herself cornered without a means of escape from an irate parent ... we know such a person exists ... we know that as well as being the prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance Brueckner is being checked against other crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 11:03:28 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:03:07 AM
He could have had his own key or a masterkey.   Nothing stopping him leaving by the backdoor and climbing the fence into 5B.
This criminal mastermind is informed by his vigilant, female accomplice that the place was empty and they were routinely leaving the back door unlocked - but here's a master key as well. Meticulous and superfluous.
Not bad for a pair of crackheads.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 25, 2020, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 10:35:39 AM
But still it is a very dramatic feeling to have.  So close to getting caught in the act, or so close to coming to blows with a cornered villain.

I believe he could have hidden somewhere or he just slipped back out through the front door entering again when Gerry had left.   Opening the window so that if he was interrupted again and was cornered he could make his escape.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 11:05:54 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 25, 2020, 10:13:16 AM
there is evidence he worked with a femail acomplice
Where?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 25, 2020, 11:12:57 AM
Quote from: Lace on July 25, 2020, 11:00:14 AM
Why not?

If you were breaking into a place and were disturbed, would you return ? I certainly wouldn't
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 11:16:02 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 25, 2020, 11:12:57 AM
If you were breaking into a place and were disturbed, would you return ? I certainly wouldn't
Not even for a million bucks?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 25, 2020, 11:17:54 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 11:16:02 AM
Not even for a million bucks?

Where did you dream that figure up from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 25, 2020, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: The General on July 25, 2020, 11:05:54 AM
Where?
Have you seen photographs of the vegetation front and back of the apartment taken at the time.  Or are you aware of Margaret Hall's statement about the man lurking in the bushes while she babysat children on another occasion?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6209.msg233010#msg233010
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 11:30:13 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 25, 2020, 11:17:54 AM
Where did you dream that figure up from?
Would you go back for a million bucks?  It is just a question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 25, 2020, 11:42:38 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 11:30:13 AM
Would you go back for a million bucks?  It is just a question.

Probably not because if anyone was offering that sort of money, then the chances are somebody would be getting killed, likely me.

And don't suggest someone would offer that to steal a child, you could by a whole orphanage for that amount.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 25, 2020, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 25, 2020, 11:12:57 AM
If you were breaking into a place and were disturbed, would you return ? I certainly wouldn't

You are not an experienced burglar though are you?   He made a living out of breaking into apartments and selling drugs.  He was hardened to it,   it wouldn't have frightened him in the least. IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 25, 2020, 03:54:48 PM
She's even seen the camper van,gotta be true it was on Sandra's show.

As well as telling reporter and presenter Sandra Felgueiras she was 'certain' she had seen the missing Brit youngster talking to another girl in German before they vanished, she said she remembered seeing the VW camper van which featured in a police appeal about the German paedophile's vehicles.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8559311/Madeleine-McCann-witness-says-saw-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-VW-camper-van-four-years-ago.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 25, 2020, 04:03:08 PM
Wonder when she saw the said van,it was sold on in 2015.

Revealed: German Maddie McCann suspect Christian Brueckner sold his VW campervan in 2015 to a car scrap yard on the Algarve for £5,000

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8392475/Maddie-McCann-suspect-sold-VW-campervan-2015-car-scrapyard.html

The scrap yard owner said they used it.So its possible.

The son, who did not want to be named, said: 'Christian sold my dad the van around 2015 and we used it afterwards as our family vehicle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 04:45:24 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 25, 2020, 11:29:07 AM
Have you seen photographs of the vegetation front and back of the apartment taken at the time.  Or are you aware of Margaret Hall's statement about the man lurking in the bushes while she babysat children on another occasion?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6209.msg233010#msg233010
There's vegetation at the front and back of the apartment, so that's evidence of a female accomplice?
And Margaret Hall sees a man and that's also evidence of a female accomplice?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 04:58:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 25, 2020, 04:03:08 PM
Wonder when she saw the said van,it was sold on in 2015.

Revealed: German Maddie McCann suspect Christian Brueckner sold his VW campervan in 2015 to a car scrap yard on the Algarve for £5,000

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8392475/Maddie-McCann-suspect-sold-VW-campervan-2015-car-scrapyard.html

The scrap yard owner said they used it.So its possible.

The son, who did not want to be named, said: 'Christian sold my dad the van around 2015 and we used it afterwards as our family vehicle.
She saw the van 3 parked by the supermarket 3 years after he sold it. So maybe he stole it back. That's how good a thief he is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 25, 2020, 05:14:49 PM
Quote from: The General on July 25, 2020, 04:58:01 PM
She saw the van 3 parked by the supermarket 3 years after he sold it. So maybe he stole it back. That's how good a thief he is.


Wasn't that during one of his prison spells ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 05:23:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 25, 2020, 05:14:49 PM

Wasn't that during one of his prison spells ?
Even more impressive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 25, 2020, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 25, 2020, 03:54:48 PM
She's even seen the camper van,gotta be true it was on Sandra's show.

As well as telling reporter and presenter Sandra Felgueiras she was 'certain' she had seen the missing Brit youngster talking to another girl in German before they vanished, she said she remembered seeing the VW camper van which featured in a police appeal about the German paedophile's vehicles.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8559311/Madeleine-McCann-witness-says-saw-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-VW-camper-van-four-years-ago.html

From the highs of interviewing the parents to the lows of interviewing some deluded biddy who’s been watching too much afternoon tv.

Poor Sandra.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 25, 2020, 05:14:49 PM

Wasn't that during one of his prison spells ?
An even better thief, to do that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 08:11:49 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
An even better thief, to do that.
Escaped from prison and stole his own very distinctive van back, only to loiter around the bins at a supermarket.
If he wasn't a paedophile, thief and rapist he'd have his own show in Vegas.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 25, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: The General on July 25, 2020, 08:11:49 PM
Escaped from prison and stole his own very distinctive van back, only to loiter around the bins at a supermarket.
If he wasn't a paedophile, thief and rapist he'd have his own show in Vegas.

Certainly an interview with Oprah
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 25, 2020, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 25, 2020, 07:31:25 PM
From the highs of interviewing the parents to the lows of interviewing some deluded biddy who’s been watching too much afternoon tv.

Poor Sandra.

Sandra's been nominated for best Journalist and Presenter of the year...she's doing well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 25, 2020, 08:25:12 PM
Sandra's been nominated for best Journalist and Presenter of the year...she's doing well.
Thee might only be 4 journalists. And they all might be nominated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 25, 2020, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: The General on July 25, 2020, 08:41:28 PM
Thee might only be 4 journalists. And they all might be nominated.

that would amke her one of the top 4 in her profession..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 25, 2020, 08:46:45 PM
that would amke her one of the top 4 in her profession..
Just like you're the top Assistant to the Dentist's Assistant in your house.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 25, 2020, 09:02:16 PM
Quote from: The General on July 25, 2020, 08:58:43 PM
Just like you're the top Assistant to the Dentist's Assistant in your house.

LOL... Sadie has actually rung me and talked to me at work... Ive been outed...pictures on the internet of me and my familyl,..the works
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 09:03:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 25, 2020, 09:02:16 PM
LOL... Sadie has actually rung me and talked to me at work... Ive been outed...pictures on the internet of me and my familyl,..the works
Good god, man. The genie is out of the bottle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 25, 2020, 09:07:26 PM
Quote from: The General on July 25, 2020, 09:03:50 PM
Good god, man. The genie is out of the bottle.
I've appeared on TV several times...even quoted in the Sunday Times...not for my professional work....apart from one article in the Sun
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 25, 2020, 09:07:26 PM
I've appeared on TV several times...even quoted in the Sunday Times...not for my professional work....apart from one article in the Sun
Crimewatch?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 25, 2020, 09:09:25 PM
Quote from: The General on July 25, 2020, 09:08:23 PM
Crimewatch?

I'm much too slippery for that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 25, 2020, 09:09:25 PM
I'm much too slippery for that
Did you just defame yourself?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 25, 2020, 09:15:53 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 09:12:33 PM
Did you just defame yourself?
I did that on the way home from the pub once.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 25, 2020, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 09:12:33 PM
Did you just defame yourself?

it was a Joke Rob..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 09:20:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 25, 2020, 09:18:04 PM
it was a Joke Rob..
What do they say; "What is on the Internet stays on the Internet".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 25, 2020, 09:21:47 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2020, 09:20:47 PM
What do they say; "What is on the Internet stays on the Internet".

Fortunately it doesnt always
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 25, 2020, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: The General on July 25, 2020, 09:03:50 PM
Good god, man. The genie is out of the bottle.

Not quite but big D would like you to think it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 25, 2020, 11:27:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 25, 2020, 09:07:26 PM
I've appeared on TV several times...even quoted in the Sunday Times...not for my professional work....apart from one article in the Sun

It's funny how different people are, isn't it? You seem pleased to have had some exposure while I would do my utmost to avoid it. I once stuck my head out of our narrowboat to find a cameraman and reporter on the towpath wanting an article for a local paper. 'Not me' was the answer as I ducked back down and closed the hatch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 25, 2020, 11:35:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 25, 2020, 11:27:37 PM
It's funny how different people are, isn't it? You seem pleased to have had some exposure while I would do my utmost to avoid it. I once stuck my head out of our narrowboat to find a cameraman and reporter on the towpath wanting an article for a local paper. 'Not me' was the answer as I ducked back down and closed the hatch.

Indeed even if the exposure is secondhand.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 26, 2020, 01:54:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 25, 2020, 09:07:26 PM
I've appeared on TV several times...even quoted in the Sunday Times...not for my professional work....apart from one article in the Sun

Yet your on here day in day out...for a couple

Who are not suspects

Not been investigated.

Proved innocent

You know and SY know there was an abduction

You think CB is abductor.

mccs Sat back and don't like there lives being disrupted

So why are you on call here practically 24/7...why
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 26, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 26, 2020, 01:54:20 PM
Yet your on here day in day out...for a couple

Who are not suspects

Not been investigated.

Proved innocent

You know and SY know there was an abduction

You think CB is abductor.

mccs Sat back and don't like there lives being disrupted

So why are you on call here practically 24/7...why

I'm not you are mistaken...another thing you are wrong about
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 26, 2020, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 25, 2020, 11:27:37 PM
It's funny how different people are, isn't it? You seem pleased to have had some exposure while I would do my utmost to avoid it. I once stuck my head out of our narrowboat to find a cameraman and reporter on the towpath wanting an article for a local paper. 'Not me' was the answer as I ducked back down and closed the hatch.

Of course people are different..have you only just realised that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 26, 2020, 02:11:16 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 25, 2020, 11:35:51 PM
Indeed even if the exposure is secondhand.

You think I've adopted someone else's identify which shows how poor your deductive skills are...lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 26, 2020, 02:44:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 26, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
I'm not you are mistaken...another thing you are wrong about

It took all of 4 mins to reply.

You say Im wrong ...I think that remains to be seen you don't know what the truth is you only think you do.


All CB is ....is another suspect that it seems will come to nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 26, 2020, 02:54:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 26, 2020, 02:11:16 PM
You think I've adopted someone else's identify which shows how poor your deductive skills are...lol

I think that someone who spends a such time on this forum as you do would be unlikely to have a job. No deductive skills needed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 26, 2020, 03:00:49 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 26, 2020, 02:54:04 PM
I think that someone who spends a such time on this forum as you do would be unlikely to have a job. No deductive skills needed.

So now its unlikely....You dont seem to have any deductive skills as you have shown....your deduction is testament to that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 26, 2020, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 26, 2020, 02:54:04 PM
I think that someone who spends a such time on this forum as you do would be unlikely to have a job. No deductive skills needed.

This why Davel spends time posting on his Phone.  It's not difficult to work out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 26, 2020, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 26, 2020, 03:10:05 PM
This why Davel spends time posting on his Phone. It's not difficult to work out.

 He works in a call centre
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 26, 2020, 05:27:21 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 26, 2020, 05:24:11 PM
He works in a call centre

Please try not to be too silly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 26, 2020, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 26, 2020, 05:27:21 PM
Please try not to be too silly.

Sorry, it's a slow day with little of importance happening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 26, 2020, 06:11:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 26, 2020, 05:29:33 PM
Sorry, it's a slow day with little of importance happening.

No it isn't..Villa have just drawn with West Ham to stay in the premiership
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 26, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 26, 2020, 03:10:05 PM
This why Davel spends time posting on his Phone.  It's not difficult to work out.

While working ? I must admit I’ve always preferred dentists whose full attention is focused on me....but hey maybe that’s just me.

Back on topic....not an instruction merely what I’m doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 26, 2020, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 26, 2020, 05:27:21 PM
Please try not to be too silly.
I think that comes naturally to Jassi.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 26, 2020, 06:53:36 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 26, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
While working ? I must admit I’ve always preferred dentists whose full attention is focused on me....but hey maybe that’s just me.

Back on topic....not an instruction merely what I’m doing.

I explained before I do a very specific type of work that means I have a fair amount of free time at work.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 26, 2020, 07:01:16 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 26, 2020, 06:28:10 PM
I think that comes naturally to Jassi.

I always find a little silliness ?{)(** goes a long way when dealing with idiots.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2020, 07:28:28 PM
Madeleine McCann: Woman says she saw missing girl speaking German in Portugal in 2017

‘I saw the spot on her right eye and after some time I associated the face with Madeleine,’ says witness


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-spotted-teacher-portugal-supermarket-2017-a9637596.html


Another nonsense claim that someone was able to see the spot on her eye.

I mean, seriously, you'd have to be right up in her face to see it.  *%87

What a load of old rubbish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 26, 2020, 07:35:38 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2020, 07:28:28 PM
Madeleine McCann: Woman says she saw missing girl speaking German in Portugal in 2017

‘I saw the spot on her right eye and after some time I associated the face with Madeleine,’ says witness


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-spotted-teacher-portugal-supermarket-2017-a9637596.html


Another nonsense claim that someone was able to see the spot on her eye.

I mean, seriously, you'd have to be right up in her face to see it.  *%87

What a load of old rubbish.

Absolute...well done...I'm surprise you cant see the rubbish that tries to implicate the parents
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2020, 07:39:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 26, 2020, 07:35:38 PM
Absolute BS...well done...I'm surprise you cant see the BS that tries to implicate the parents

I'm going to look a right idiot when Maddie turns up alive & speaking German.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 26, 2020, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2020, 07:39:30 PM
I'm going to look a right idiot when Maddie turns up alive & speaking German.
I doubt very much she will unfortunately.....but of course if the evidence the Germans have shows how Maddie died you will...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 26, 2020, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2020, 07:39:30 PM
I'm going to look a right idiot when Maddie turns up alive & speaking German.

Particularly when we expect it to be Hebrew.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 26, 2020, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 26, 2020, 07:44:37 PM
Particularly when we expect it to be Hebrew.

Or Arabian, Portuguese, Australian, Spanish or Dutch. Is there a country where she hasn't been seen?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 26, 2020, 08:30:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 26, 2020, 08:23:50 PM
Or Arabian, Portuguese, Australian, Spanish or Dutch. Is there a country where she hasn't been seen?

You are quite dismissive of these sightings...but of course the one by the Smiths is  a cert...that shows a  lack of joined up thinking imo. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 26, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 26, 2020, 08:30:30 PM
You are quite dismissive of these sightings...but of course the one by the Smiths is  a cert...that shows a  lack of joined up thinking imo.

When sightings are reported worldwide without any evidence to support them it's very difficult to take them all seriously.

From 04-05-2007 onwards, initially with a disproportionate rhythm, the PJ was sent thousands of reports of sightings and locations covering the whole of Portugal and multiple locations abroad, from neighbouring Spain to faraway Indonesia and Singapore, the missing girl having been “recognised” in the most varied locations, in multiple situations and company, in such a way that one the same day she was supposedly sighted in locations at a distance of 4.000 km apart.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

A sighting within walking distance of the apartment the child disappeared from at around the time of the disappearance is obviously more worthy of attention. A cert? Those are your words, not mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 26, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 26, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
When sightings are reported worldwide without any evidence to support them it's very difficult to take them all seriously.

From 04-05-2007 onwards, initially with a disproportionate rhythm, the PJ was sent thousands of reports of sightings and locations covering the whole of Portugal and multiple locations abroad, from neighbouring Spain to faraway Indonesia and Singapore, the missing girl having been “recognised” in the most varied locations, in multiple situations and company, in such a way that one the same day she was supposedly sighted in locations at a distance of 4.000 km apart.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

A sighting within walking distance of the apartment the child disappeared from at around the time of the disappearance is obviously more worthy of attention. A cert? Those are your words, not mine.

I think all sightings are suspect..the investigators are looking at an abduction which tells us what they they think of the sighting
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 26, 2020, 10:05:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2020, 07:39:30 PM
I'm going to look a right idiot when Maddie turns up alive & speaking German.
No need to wait until then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 26, 2020, 10:54:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 26, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
I think all sightings are suspect..the investigators are looking at an abduction which tells us what they they think of the sighting

If you mean Operation Grange they made it the focus of a Crimewatch peogramme, so they were very interested it seems.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 26, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
When sightings are reported worldwide without any evidence to support them it's very difficult to take them all seriously.

From 04-05-2007 onwards, initially with a disproportionate rhythm, the PJ was sent thousands of reports of sightings and locations covering the whole of Portugal and multiple locations abroad, from neighbouring Spain to faraway Indonesia and Singapore, the missing girl having been “recognised” in the most varied locations, in multiple situations and company, in such a way that one the same day she was supposedly sighted in locations at a distance of 4.000 km apart.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

A sighting within walking distance of the apartment the child disappeared from at around the time of the disappearance is obviously more worthy of attention. A cert? Those are your words, not mine.

Going by that ... Jane Tanner's sighting of the barefoot child being carried from the direction of the apartment is surely of paramount importance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 08:24:17 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 26, 2020, 10:54:03 PM
If you mean Operation Grange they made it the focus of a Crimewatch peogramme, so they were very interested it seems.

How long ago was that?

How often has it been mentioned since ... by anyone?

If it hasn't I would think it looks as if they have learned exactly what they needed to from that sighting a long time ago ... or they would have revisited to jog memories.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 08:17:29 AM
Going by that ... Jane Tanner's sighting of the barefoot child being carried from the direction of the apartment is surely of paramount importance.

Are you saying the Met were wrong to dismiss Jane's sighting?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 27, 2020, 08:39:12 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
Are you saying the Met were wrong to dismiss Jane's sighting?

I'm far from sure that they did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
Are you saying the Met were wrong to dismiss Jane's sighting?

What makes you think the Met did any such thing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 09:07:34 AM
I think Op Grange realised, just like the PJ did, that Jane's sighting was unlikely to be an abductor because;

 if it is believed that such checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, at least, very difficult to reunite conditions for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said abductor
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 27, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 08:17:29 AM
Going by that ... Jane Tanner's sighting of the barefoot child being carried from the direction of the apartment is surely of paramount importance.

Not according to Redwood.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 09:07:34 AM
I think Op Grange realised, just like the PJ did, that Jane's sighting was unlikely to be an abductor because;

 if it is believed that such checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, at least, very difficult to reunite conditions for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said abductor
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

I think there is a lot more going on with the Scotland Yard investigators into Madeleine's case than you and other sceptics give them credit for.

They were on entirely the correct line of investigation when they interviewed Luz based burglars and searched areas in the environs of Luz to the accompaniment of sceptic ridicule.

For much of the time not only were they hampered by cumbersome legal procedures I don't think the intransigence of the Portuguese helped matters when they required to go further.

We see much the same happening with the denial of allowing the Germans to carry out further DNA testing (advocates of Perling take note).

Now we have the German Prime Suspect who ticks an awful lot of the boxes which Scotland Yard ticked a long time ago and to which their experience and training led them.

I don't think armchair detectives ever envisaged the turn events have taken.  But the evidence was all there at the very beginning.  Some of it was known about and some of it was ignored.  The huge diversion was Amaral and his incessant diversionary campaign against Madeleine's parents which he is still pursuing.

I really don't think people are going to be taken in when they weigh the information there is about Brueckner in the public domain against Madeleine's parent's fight to find out what happened to their daughter.

Nor do I think the denial that Brueckner or someone very like him is responsible for removing Madeleine from the safety of her bed and abducting her is going to hold much water in the future.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 10:10:05 AM
I think there is a lot more going on with the Scotland Yard investigators into Madeleine's case than you and other sceptics give them credit for.

They were on entirely the correct line of investigation when they interviewed Luz based burglars and searched areas in the environs of Luz to the accompaniment of sceptic ridicule.

For much of the time not only were they hampered by cumbersome legal procedures I don't think the intransigence of the Portuguese helped matters when they required to go further.

We see much the same happening with the denial of allowing the Germans to carry out further DNA testing (advocates of Perling take note).

Now we have the German Prime Suspect who ticks an awful lot of the boxes which Scotland Yard ticked a long time ago and to which their experience and training led them.

I don't think armchair detectives ever envisaged the turn events have taken.  But the evidence was all there at the very beginning.  Some of it was known about and some of it was ignored.  The huge diversion was Amaral and his incessant diversionary campaign against Madeleine's parents which he is still pursuing.

I really don't think people are going to be taken in when they weigh the information there is about Brueckner in the public domain against Madeleine's parent's fight to find out what happened to their daughter.

Nor do I think the denial that Brueckner or someone very like him is responsible for removing Madeleine from the safety of her bed and abducting her is going to hold much water in the future.

When you say there's more going on than sceptics think are you suggesting that the Met are deceiving people? First you said they were involved in investigating the case more than a year before it was officially announced and now you're saying they misled the public about the Tanner sighting by giving the impression they'd dismissed it when they hadn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
When you say there's more going on than sceptics think are you suggesting that the Met are deceiving people? First you said they were involved in investigating the case more than a year before it was officially announced and now you're saying they misled the public about the Tanner sighting by giving the impression they'd dismissed it when they hadn't.

"First you said they were involved in investigating the case more than a year before it was officially announced "

When did I say that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 10:37:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
When you say there's more going on than sceptics think are you suggesting that the Met are deceiving people? First you said they were involved in investigating the case more than a year before it was officially announced and now you're saying they misled the public about the Tanner sighting by giving the impression they'd dismissed it when they hadn't.
"When you say there's more going on than sceptics think are you suggesting that the Met are deceiving people? "

Explain yourself, please.
In which way do you think I am 'suggesting' deception?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
When you say there's more going on than sceptics think are you suggesting that the Met are deceiving people? First you said they were involved in investigating the case more than a year before it was officially announced and now you're saying they misled the public about the Tanner sighting by giving the impression they'd dismissed it when they hadn't.
" ... and now you're saying they misled the public about the Tanner sighting by giving the impression they'd dismissed it when they hadn't."

When did I say they had misled anyone?

What gave you the impression I said they had dismissed the Smith sighting?

How do you know what conclusion they reached regarding their request for information?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
When you say there's more going on than sceptics think are you suggesting that the Met are deceiving people? First you said they were involved in investigating the case more than a year before it was officially announced and now you're saying they misled the public about the Tanner sighting by giving the impression they'd dismissed it when they hadn't.

Don't you think it would be a good idea to set an example of stopping nit picking and trying to stick to the thread topic which in this instance happens to be - New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 11:49:21 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 10:45:40 AM
Don't you think it would be a good idea to set an example of stopping nit picking and trying to stick to the thread topic which in this instance happens to be - New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

I think being exact and thorough is important; dotting the t's and crossing the i's, don't you know. If they get the information they need the Germans may be able to charge their suspect. They certainly won't manage it if they're careless and slapdash.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 27, 2020, 11:49:21 AM
I think being exact and thorough is important; dotting the t's and crossing the i's, don't you know. If they get the information they need the Germans may be able to charge their suspect. They certainly won't manage it if they're careless and slapdash.

It doesn't really matter how exact and thorough internet bloggers are though and I doubt if the German investigation into Brueckner needs any help whatsoever from you or me unless either of us was in Luz at the time and or knew something which would be of assistance in the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 12:21:14 PM
Germans want to take over probe into Irish woman's Algarve rape
Natalia Penza

July 27 2020

German prosecutors want to take charge of the investigation of an Algarve rape linked to Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner.

They have requested the court files and evidence held in Portugal relating to the unsolved 2004 rape of Irish woman Hazel Behan.

Investigators want to do their own work to see if they can prove Brueckner committed the vicious sex attack on holiday rep Ms Behan at her home in Praia da Rocha, a half-hour drive east of Praia da Luz.

DNA samples, including blood and semen collected from the crime scene by Portuguese police at the time, have been destroyed, leaving question marks over whether a successful prosecution can be mounted.

Paedophile

However, a DNA profile is understood to have been obtained before the shock destruction of the potentially crucial samples on the orders of Portuguese prosecutors.

Mother-of-two Ms Behan waived her right to anonymity last month to say she believed the masked man who targeted her in her Algarve apartment could have been Brueckner.

She said the intruder had a distinctive mark on the top of his right thigh like the German paedophile.

The sex attacker removed her clothes with scissors and gagged her with cloth.

Brueckner was convicted late last year in Germany of raping an American OAP in September 2005 in Praia da Luz, the same resort Madeleine vanished from in May 2007 as her parents ate in a restaurant nearby.

A hair found at the villa, said to have been taken from the bedclothes Portuguese investigators failed to test, helped secure his conviction and remains on file.

Last week Sky News reported Portuguese police had reopened their investigation into Ms Behan's unsolved rape following its mothballing years ago.

However, well-placed sources say the current state of play is that Portuguese authorities have been asked to consider an official request from Germany to send the case files, including any DNA evidence, to prosecutors there so they can mount their own investigation and see if Brueckner is the mystery rapist. No decision would be made until September after the judicial recess.

"Any ruling to let Germany take the lead in this case would have a closely-related legal precedent," a source said.

"The Praia da Luz rape Brueckner was convicted of was a crime committed in Portugal but prosecuted in Germany because of Portugal's statute of limitations.

"The time limit applies to the earlier rape Brueckner has been linked to.

"There is a time limit in Portugal on the prosecution of even the most serious crimes, including homicide and kidnapping."

Respected Portuguese website Observador echoed news of the German push to move the Ms Behan case forward on Saturday by claiming: "Sources have confirmed to us that, just like in the American OAP rape case, they are going to forward the evidence they have in the Hazel Behan rape case to German police.

"That's because their hands are tied as it's too late to investigate in Portugal. It's going to be the Germans who will investigate whether Brueckner could be responsible."

The McCanns' family lawyer Rogerio Alves spoke about the 15-year time limit on Portuguese prosecutions in a documentary on Thursday, saying police had just 22 months to nail the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's abduction.

https://www.herald.ie/news/germans-want-to-take-over-probe-into-irish-womans-algarve-rape-39399310.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 27, 2020, 12:56:04 PM
The Germans certainly seem intent on nailing Brueckner for something, indeed anything.
Not that I have any criticism of them for that.
 
As I said a while ago, Madeleine is merely one strand in their investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 01:04:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 27, 2020, 12:56:04 PM
The Germans certainly seem intent on nailing Brueckner for something, indeed anything.
Not that I have any criticism of them for that.
 
As I said a while ago, Madeleine is merely one strand in their investigation.

Interesting that a DNA profile was obtained prior to the destruction of the samples.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 28, 2020, 01:41:37 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 12:21:14 PM
Germans want to take over probe into Irish woman's Algarve rape
Natalia Penza

July 27 2020

German prosecutors want to take charge of the investigation of an Algarve rape linked to Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner.

They have requested the court files and evidence held in Portugal relating to the unsolved 2004 rape of Irish woman Hazel Behan.

Investigators want to do their own work to see if they can prove Brueckner committed the vicious sex attack on holiday rep Ms Behan at her home in Praia da Rocha, a half-hour drive east of Praia da Luz.

DNA samples, including blood and semen collected from the crime scene by Portuguese police at the time, have been destroyed, leaving question marks over whether a successful prosecution can be mounted.

Paedophile

However, a DNA profile is understood to have been obtained before the shock destruction of the potentially crucial samples on the orders of Portuguese prosecutors.

Mother-of-two Ms Behan waived her right to anonymity last month to say she believed the masked man who targeted her in her Algarve apartment could have been Brueckner.

She said the intruder had a distinctive mark on the top of his right thigh like the German paedophile.

The sex attacker removed her clothes with scissors and gagged her with cloth.

Brueckner was convicted late last year in Germany of raping an American OAP in September 2005 in Praia da Luz, the same resort Madeleine vanished from in May 2007 as her parents ate in a restaurant nearby.

A hair found at the villa, said to have been taken from the bedclothes Portuguese investigators failed to test, helped secure his conviction and remains on file.

Last week Sky News reported Portuguese police had reopened their investigation into Ms Behan's unsolved rape following its mothballing years ago.

However, well-placed sources say the current state of play is that Portuguese authorities have been asked to consider an official request from Germany to send the case files, including any DNA evidence, to prosecutors there so they can mount their own investigation and see if Brueckner is the mystery rapist. No decision would be made until September after the judicial recess.

"Any ruling to let Germany take the lead in this case would have a closely-related legal precedent," a source said.

"The Praia da Luz rape Brueckner was convicted of was a crime committed in Portugal but prosecuted in Germany because of Portugal's statute of limitations.

"The time limit applies to the earlier rape Brueckner has been linked to.

"There is a time limit in Portugal on the prosecution of even the most serious crimes, including homicide and kidnapping."

Respected Portuguese website Observador echoed news of the German push to move the Ms Behan case forward on Saturday by claiming: "Sources have confirmed to us that, just like in the American OAP rape case, they are going to forward the evidence they have in the Hazel Behan rape case to German police.

"That's because their hands are tied as it's too late to investigate in Portugal. It's going to be the Germans who will investigate whether Brueckner could be responsible."

The McCanns' family lawyer Rogerio Alves spoke about the 15-year time limit on Portuguese prosecutions in a documentary on Thursday, saying police had just 22 months to nail the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's abduction.

https://www.herald.ie/news/germans-want-to-take-over-probe-into-irish-womans-algarve-rape-39399310.html

-snip-
DNA samples, including blood and semen collected from the crime scene by Portuguese police at the time, have been destroyed, leaving question marks over whether a successful prosecution can be mounted.

Paedophile

However, a DNA profile is understood to have been obtained before the shock destruction of the potentially crucial samples on the orders of Portuguese prosecutors.
   -snip-

I find the above a bit confusing.

Am I right in thinking that the PJ destroyed the crucial evidence but the Portuguese prosecutors ordered a DNA sample first?

or.

Did the Portuguese prosecutors order the destruction, but require that a DNA sample be kept ?


Anyone know ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 28, 2020, 01:46:11 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 26, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
When sightings are reported worldwide without any evidence to support them it's very difficult to take them all seriously.

From 04-05-2007 onwards, initially with a disproportionate rhythm, the PJ was sent thousands of reports of sightings and locations covering the whole of Portugal and multiple locations abroad, from neighbouring Spain to faraway Indonesia and Singapore, the missing girl having been “recognised” in the most varied locations, in multiple situations and company, in such a way that one the same day she was supposedly sighted in locations at a distance of 4.000 km apart.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

A sighting within walking distance of the apartment the child disappeared from at around the time of the disappearance is obviously more worthy of attention. A cert? Those are your words, not mine.

And 29 sightings in Malta.  I wonder why that has not been publicized more ? *%6^
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 28, 2020, 09:06:33 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 27, 2020, 12:21:14 PM
Germans want to take over probe into Irish woman's Algarve rape
Natalia Penza

July 27 2020

German prosecutors want to take charge of the investigation of an Algarve rape linked to Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner.

They have requested the court files and evidence held in Portugal relating to the unsolved 2004 rape of Irish woman Hazel Behan.

Investigators want to do their own work to see if they can prove Brueckner committed the vicious sex attack on holiday rep Ms Behan at her home in Praia da Rocha, a half-hour drive east of Praia da Luz.

DNA samples, including blood and semen collected from the crime scene by Portuguese police at the time, have been destroyed, leaving question marks over whether a successful prosecution can be mounted.

Paedophile

However, a DNA profile is understood to have been obtained before the shock destruction of the potentially crucial samples on the orders of Portuguese prosecutors.

Mother-of-two Ms Behan waived her right to anonymity last month to say she believed the masked man who targeted her in her Algarve apartment could have been Brueckner.

She said the intruder had a distinctive mark on the top of his right thigh like the German paedophile.

The sex attacker removed her clothes with scissors and gagged her with cloth.

Brueckner was convicted late last year in Germany of raping an American OAP in September 2005 in Praia da Luz, the same resort Madeleine vanished from in May 2007 as her parents ate in a restaurant nearby.

A hair found at the villa, said to have been taken from the bedclothes Portuguese investigators failed to test, helped secure his conviction and remains on file.

Last week Sky News reported Portuguese police had reopened their investigation into Ms Behan's unsolved rape following its mothballing years ago.

However, well-placed sources say the current state of play is that Portuguese authorities have been asked to consider an official request from Germany to send the case files, including any DNA evidence, to prosecutors there so they can mount their own investigation and see if Brueckner is the mystery rapist. No decision would be made until September after the judicial recess.

"Any ruling to let Germany take the lead in this case would have a closely-related legal precedent," a source said.

"The Praia da Luz rape Brueckner was convicted of was a crime committed in Portugal but prosecuted in Germany because of Portugal's statute of limitations.

"The time limit applies to the earlier rape Brueckner has been linked to.

"There is a time limit in Portugal on the prosecution of even the most serious crimes, including homicide and kidnapping."

Respected Portuguese website Observador echoed news of the German push to move the Ms Behan case forward on Saturday by claiming: "Sources have confirmed to us that, just like in the American OAP rape case, they are going to forward the evidence they have in the Hazel Behan rape case to German police.

"That's because their hands are tied as it's too late to investigate in Portugal. It's going to be the Germans who will investigate whether Brueckner could be responsible."

The McCanns' family lawyer Rogerio Alves spoke about the 15-year time limit on Portuguese prosecutions in a documentary on Thursday, saying police had just 22 months to nail the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's abduction.

https://www.herald.ie/news/germans-want-to-take-over-probe-into-irish-womans-algarve-rape-39399310.html

Germany has four years to prosecute this case.

The maximum sentence for rape in Germany is 15 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Germany#:~:text=Because%20of%20the%20German%20statutory,a%20period%20of%2015%20years.

The statute of limitations in Germany for sentences of over 10 years but not life imprisonment is 20 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_limitations#Germany

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 09:15:34 AM
Hopefully even if the samples have been destroyed the data hasn't...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 28, 2020, 09:52:11 AM
Even if DNA links him to this rape case, it doesn't contribute anything to Madeleine's and in fact, if the Germans concentrate on getting a conviction for the rape, they could lose interest in pursuing him over Madeleine.

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 10:19:00 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 28, 2020, 09:52:11 AM
Even if DNA links him to this rape case, it doesn't contribute anything to Madeleine's and in fact, if the Germans concentrate on getting a conviction for the rape, they could lose interest in pursuing him over Madeleine.

IMO
Unlikely IMO.  Imagine the kudos involved in solving one if the biggest mysteries of the 21st Century!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 28, 2020, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 10:19:00 AM
Unlikely IMO.  Imagine the kudos involved in solving one if the biggest mysteries of the 21st Century!

I'm not sure that's their prime motivation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 28, 2020, 10:32:38 AM
I'm not sure that's their prime motivation.
I'm not sure I said it was their prime motivation, but having got so close it would seem odd IMO to just lose interest in solving one of the great mysteries of the 21st century.  But hey, you know best, I'm sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 28, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/police-search-near-hanover-linked-to-madeleine-mccann-disappearance-12037852
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 28, 2020, 11:54:28 AM
Another search under way... this time on German soil in Hannover...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html)

Disappeared Maddie: Police raid garden plot near Hanover

The police have been searching an allotment between Hanover-Ahlem and Seelze-Letter since the early hours of the morning. According to the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig, the action is linked to Maddie McCann, who disappeared 13 years ago. The site was cleared, and an excavator is also in use.

https://www.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Stadt/Verschwundene-Maddie-Polizei-durchsucht-Kleingarten-bei-Hannover (https://www.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Stadt/Verschwundene-Maddie-Polizei-durchsucht-Kleingarten-bei-Hannover)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 28, 2020, 11:59:16 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 28, 2020, 11:54:28 AM
Another search under way... this time on German soil in Hannover...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html)

Disappeared Maddie: Police raid garden plot near Hanover

The police have been searching an allotment between Hanover-Ahlem and Seelze-Letter since the early hours of the morning. According to the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig, the action is linked to Maddie McCann, who disappeared 13 years ago. The site was cleared, and an excavator is also in use.

https://www.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Stadt/Verschwundene-Maddie-Polizei-durchsucht-Kleingarten-bei-Hannover (https://www.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Stadt/Verschwundene-Maddie-Polizei-durchsucht-Kleingarten-bei-Hannover)
The address is Klöcknerstrase 15, Seelze, Hannover. It is the community garden behind a youth centre.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 28, 2020, 12:06:14 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 28, 2020, 11:59:16 AM
The address is Klöcknerstrase 15, Seelze, Hannover. It is the community garden behind a youth centre.
Will it be fruitless lke all the others?...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.3908503,9.6517476,158a,35y,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.3908503,9.6517476,158a,35y,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 28, 2020, 12:06:14 PM
Will it be fruitless lke all the others?...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.3908503,9.6517476,158a,35y,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.3908503,9.6517476,158a,35y,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157)


i wonder what information made them dig there
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 28, 2020, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 28, 2020, 12:06:14 PM
Will it be fruitless lke all the others?...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.3908503,9.6517476,158a,35y,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.3908503,9.6517476,158a,35y,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157)

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 28, 2020, 12:55:01 PM
I think the search may also relate to Inga Gehricke.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 12:56:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 12:08:16 PM

i wonder what information made them dig there

If its fruitless the same info that OG had about Luz,perchance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 01:02:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 12:56:58 PM
If its fruitless the same info that OG had about Luz,perchance.


they would not be searchuing there without some intelligence...I just wonder what it is. I find it an interesting development
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 01:02:51 PM

they would not be searchuing there without some intelligence...I just wonder what it is. I find it an interesting development

So were not OG operating on intelligence when they engaged in their fruitless landscaping?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 01:15:24 PM
So were not OG operating on intelligence when they engaged in their fruitless landscaping?

its one thing searching a local area...that could be  a fishing exercise...but Hanover?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 28, 2020, 01:18:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 01:15:24 PM
So were not OG operating on intelligence when they engaged in their fruitless landscaping?
Maybe it was arranged by Brian Kennedy Marcos Coreria.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 01:18:34 PM
Strange how its claimed to be linked to the McCann case when another will not comment.

The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig said the action was linked to Madeleine McCann, who vanished in Portugal 13 years ago.

A spokesman for the prosecutor's office said they would neither comment on the reasons for the search, nor what was being looked for.

Caveat it is a brit rag

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12244224/madeleine-mccann-allotment-search-germany/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 28, 2020, 12:13:10 PM


Then there's this picture.

(https://i.imgur.com/E3qFEaB.jpg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 01:18:34 PM
Strange how its claimed to be linked to the McCann case when another will not comment.

The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig said the action was linked to Madeleine McCann, who vanished in Portugal 13 years ago.

A spokesman for the prosecutor's office said they would neither comment on the reasons for the search, nor what was being looked for.

Caveat it is a brit rag

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12244224/madeleine-mccann-allotment-search-germany/


the independent  carries the Maddie link
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 01:26:58 PM

the independent  carries the Maddie link

So does the Mail and Sky,you'd think they'd all get their info from the same outlet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 28, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 01:15:24 PM
So were not OG operating on intelligence when they engaged in their fruitless landscaping?

Please show some respect for a search trying to locate the remains of a deceased child.  There is more than one family who will have been brought to their knees by this news.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 01:38:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 01:02:51 PM

they would not be searchuing there without some intelligence...I just wonder what it is. I find it an interesting development
It proves that the Germans have more information about this case than they have told us about.  This is undoubtedly very frustrating for the know-it-alls to know that they actually don't know it all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 28, 2020, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 28, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
Please show some respect for a search trying to locate the remains of a deceased child.  There is more than one family who will have been brought to their knees by this news.
There's only been one search that garnered any results whatsoever, and that's the one you so readily dismiss.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 02:06:52 PM
Quote from: The General on July 28, 2020, 01:50:43 PM
There's only been one search that garnered any results whatsoever, and that's the one you so readily dismiss.

It's Grime who has dismissed them as having no evidential reliability
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 28, 2020, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 02:06:52 PM
It's Grime who has dismissed them as having no evidential reliability

The dog may also indicate if a body has been stored in the recent past and then moved off the property, though this is not evidential merely intelligence.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 28, 2020, 02:21:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 02:06:52 PM
It's Grime who has dismissed them as having no evidential reliability
The search is the only one that has borne any results whatsoever. Positive intelligence is results.
Mooching about a murky lake or down an abandoned well is still searching, but only garnered negative intelligence i.e. can be ruled out - didn't see anyone brought to their knees given that prospect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 02:06:52 PM
It's Grime who has dismissed them as having no evidential reliability

Its reported the Germans have dogs in this latest search,can't be search and rescue,so cadaver dogs? blooming unreliable things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 28, 2020, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
Its reported the Germans have dogs in this latest search,can't be search and rescue,so cadaver dogs? blooming unreliable things.
Why don't you ask the dogs, Barrier?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 02:25:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
Its reported the Germans have dogs in this latest search,can't be search and rescue,so cadaver dogs? blooming unreliable things.
  If there is a body to find no doubt they will find it.  If they alert but no body is found, what will you deduce from this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 02:25:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 28, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
Please show some respect for a search trying to locate the remains of a deceased child.  There is more than one family who will have been brought to their knees by this news.

Gotta a persona to keep up,making moderation as unpleasant as he or she is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 02:25:21 PM
  If there is a body to find no doubt they will find it.  If they alert but no body is found, what will you deduce from this?

That's up to the resident expert Davel will let you know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 02:28:15 PM
Quote from: The General on July 28, 2020, 02:24:45 PM
Why don't you ask the dogs, Barrier?

There's enough experts on here in all dog matters,I'll let them speak.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: The General on July 28, 2020, 02:21:45 PM
The search is the only one that has borne any results whatsoever. Positive intelligence is results.
Mooching about a murky lake or down an abandoned well is still searching, but only garnered negative intelligence i.e. can be ruled out - didn't see anyone brought to their knees given that prospect.
Wrong.  A search of Bruckner's old property revealed a hidden cache of child pornography which may hold concrete evidence of Madeleine's fate. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 02:30:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 02:26:48 PM
That's up to the resident expert Davel will let you know.
I wasn't asking him, I was asking you.  You are sounding incredibly bitter and twisted IMO.  What's the matter?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 02:44:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 02:26:48 PM
That's up to the resident expert Davel will let you know.

I'm the Sandra F expert as well now...she didn't know about the lies from Amaral when she questioned Gerry
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 28, 2020, 05:21:40 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 27, 2020, 12:56:04 PM
The Germans certainly seem intent on nailing Brueckner for something, indeed anything.
Not that I have any criticism of them for that.
 
As I said a while ago, Madeleine is merely one strand in their investigation.

They have to because their credibility is at an all time low.  All that boasting about a prosecution in the McCann case and then having to admit defeat must be a hard pill to swallow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: John on July 28, 2020, 05:21:40 PM
They have to because their credibility is at an all time low.
Not with me it isn’t, I think this is your opinion and not a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 28, 2020, 05:26:17 PM
I will look for a cite but it has been reported that Brückner has withdrawn his appeal for early release and that the German prosecutor is present at the search site.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 28, 2020, 02:19:04 PM
The dog may also indicate if a body has been stored in the recent past and then moved off the property, though this is not evidential merely intelligence.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

Harrison confirm s no inferences can be drawn from the alerts and confirms Amaral was made aware of that by Grime
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 28, 2020, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 28, 2020, 05:26:17 PM
I will look for a cite but it has been reported that Brückner has withdrawn his appeal for early release and that the German prosecutor is present at the search site.

I doubt very much if Madeleine ever left the Luz area let alone Portugal.  The Germans are most likely looking for one of their own missing children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: John on July 28, 2020, 05:21:40 PM
They have to because their credibility is at an all time low.  All that boasting about a prosecution in the McCann case and then having to admit defeat must be a hard pill to swallow.
This is just your opinion...they've solved one rape case the PJ failed on...look to be taking on another....have a lead in the McCann case...looks like their credibility is high to me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: John on July 28, 2020, 05:40:32 PM
I doubt very much if Madeleine ever left the Luz area let alone Portugal.  The Germans are most likely looking for one of their own missing children.

The prosecutors office have confirmed the dig is in relation to the McCann case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 05:43:48 PM
Quote from: John on July 28, 2020, 05:40:32 PM
I doubt very much if Madeleine ever left the Luz area let alone Portugal.  The Germans are most likely looking for one of their own missing children.
That’s not what the German Prosecutors office has said to the media today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 05:45:30 PM
Julia Meyer, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office in Braunschweig, confirmed local media reports that police investigators had been at the site since Monday with an excavator.

She said: "The procedure is taking place in connection with our investigation regarding Maddie McCann."

Ms Meyer said she could not give any further details on the procedure, adding only that police would "still need some more time to finish".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 05:52:27 PM
bild

28.07.2020 - 04:47 p.m.
The suspect in the Maddie McCann case, Christian B. (43), has withdrawn his application for early release. He is currently serving a prison sentence for drug trafficking in Kiel. The background was that the Federal Court of Justice (BGH) had declared the Braunschweig district court responsible for this issue, the 43-year-old lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, told dpa on Tuesday.

His client lost confidence in the local judiciary after he was wrongly convicted by the Braunschweig district court of raping a 72-year-old American, the Kiel lawyer said.

According to the Braunschweig judges, the man raped the 72-year-old in 2005 in Praia da Luz, Portugal, about a year and a half before Maddie's disappearance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 05:57:17 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 28, 2020, 05:26:17 PM
I will look for a cite but it has been reported that Brückner has withdrawn his appeal for early release and that the German prosecutor is present at the search site.
According to one report I read today they are up to 100 police searching the area.  Sounds pretty thorough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 05:52:27 PM
bild

28.07.2020 - 04:47 p.m.
The suspect in the Maddie McCann case, Christian B. (43), has withdrawn his application for early release. He is currently serving a prison sentence for drug trafficking in Kiel. The background was that the Federal Court of Justice (BGH) had declared the Braunschweig district court responsible for this issue, the 43-year-old lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, told dpa on Tuesday.

His client lost confidence in the local judiciary after he was wrongly convicted by the Braunschweig district court of raping a 72-year-old American, the Kiel lawyer said.

According to the Braunschweig judges, the man raped the 72-year-old in 2005 in Praia da Luz, Portugal, about a year and a half before Maddie's disappearance

The way I read that is he went to the federal court for his parole,they turned around and said its the responsibility of the local court, in which he has no confidence. No impact on his appeal to the ECJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 28, 2020, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 02:44:58 PM
I'm the Sandra F expert as well now...she didn't know about the lies from Amaral when she questioned Gerry

Then she’s an absolutely rubbish journalist and shouldn’t be allowed to report on a missing cat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 06:07:19 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 06:03:26 PM
The way I read that is he went to the federal court for his parole,they turned around and said its the responsibility of the local court, in which he has no confidence. No impact on his appeal to the ECJ.

No one said it has.  It does seem odd not applying for parole when he has the opportunity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 28, 2020, 06:06:56 PM
Then she’s an absolutely rubbish journalist and shouldn’t be allowed to report on a missing cat.


In your totally biased opinion which im sure she doesnt give  a toss about having been nominated for journalist/presenter of the year. Her career seems to be flying
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 28, 2020, 06:15:05 PM
A few videos on the search...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLS-xcOk0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLS-xcOk0E)

https://news.sky.com/video/madeleine-mccann-police-use-heavy-machinery-to-dig-at-allotment-near-hanover-12037887 (https://news.sky.com/video/madeleine-mccann-police-use-heavy-machinery-to-dig-at-allotment-near-hanover-12037887)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSzWaK2NhU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSzWaK2NhU)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQbzSpIIW9s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQbzSpIIW9s)

Going by the landscape features, road width and single one-sided footpath, I think the allotment search location is here, north of Ahlemer Strasse...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.389774,9.6520828,109a,35y,8.33h,47.49t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.389774,9.6520828,109a,35y,8.33h,47.49t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 28, 2020, 06:17:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 06:10:05 PM

In your totally biased opinion which im sure she doesnt give  a toss about having been nominated for journalist/presenter of the year. Her career seems to be flying

So you seem to think that in the 15 months from the files being released and the ‘dogs’ interview SF hadn’t read the forensic reports. Is that correct ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 28, 2020, 06:18:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 05:42:24 PM
This is just your opinion...they've solved one rape case the PJ failed on...look to be taking on another....have a lead in the McCann case...looks like their credibility is high to me

IMO they used maddie for maximum publicity ..and seems it worked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 06:21:41 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 28, 2020, 06:17:57 PM
So you seem to think that in the 15 months from the files being released and the ‘dogs’ interview SF hadn’t read the forensic reports. Is that correct ?

What I'm saying that when asked the direct question...did you know amaral had lied to you when you did the.. ask the dogs interview...she replied ...No..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 28, 2020, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 06:21:41 PM
What I'm saying that when asked the direct question...did you know amaral had lied to you when you did the.. ask the dogs interview...she replied ...No..

If you believe her you must believe that she hadn’t read the forensic report in the 15 months to the ‘dogs’ interview. Is that what you believe ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: John on July 28, 2020, 05:40:32 PM
I doubt very much if Madeleine ever left the Luz area let alone Portugal.  The Germans are most likely looking for one of their own missing children.

June 20th.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-buried-german-22226326

EXCLUSIVE: The new owner of an allotment in Braunschweig fears Inga Gehricke's little body is buried on her property and doesn't feel comfortable in her house
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 06:28:35 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 28, 2020, 06:25:50 PM
If you believe her you must believe that she hadn’t read the forensic report in the 15 months to the ‘dogs’ interview. Is that what you believe ?

What I believe is what she said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 06:26:10 PM
June 20th.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-buried-german-22226326

EXCLUSIVE: The new owner of an allotment in Braunschweig fears Inga Gehricke's little body is buried on her property and doesn't feel comfortable in her house

If CB is linked to the murder of a child will you still consider that the police are barking up the wrong tree?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 28, 2020, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 06:26:10 PM
June 20th.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-buried-german-22226326

EXCLUSIVE: The new owner of an allotment in Braunschweig fears Inga Gehricke's little body is buried on her property and doesn't feel comfortable in her house


I suppose that's one way to get your allotment dug over.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 28, 2020, 06:36:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:33:52 PM
If CB is linked to the murder of a child will you still consider that the police are barking up the wrong tree?

Come on, you are going to have to do better than that.  And No, a confession won't do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 28, 2020, 06:36:31 PM
Come on, you are going to have to do better than that.  And No, a confession won't do.
Yes, I guess it would just be a massive coincidence that the man fingered for the crime of abducting Madeleine McCann just so happeend to be a child abductor and murderer who was in the near vicinity of MM when she disappeared but who had absolutely nothing to do with her disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 06:40:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:33:52 PM
If CB is linked to the murder of a child will you still consider that the police are barking up the wrong tree?

I just brought a report to the board,unlikely to be linked to the McCann case imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 28, 2020, 06:42:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
Its reported the Germans have dogs in this latest search,can't be search and rescue,so cadaver dogs? blooming unreliable things.

Perhaps they are just searching for some of Brueckener's effects? Sniffer dogs might help when you're trying to detect the belongings of a drug dealer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 06:40:31 PM
I just brought a report to the board,unlikely to be linked to the McCann case imo.
You did not answer my question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 06:45:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:43:30 PM
You did not answer my question.

Am I obliged to, didn't realise it was prerequisite of posting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on July 28, 2020, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 02:29:09 PM
Wrong. A search of Bruckner's old property revealed a hidden cache of child pornography which may hold concrete evidence of Madeleine's fate.

Exactly. The cynicism regarding these searches is hard to fathom imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 06:45:15 PM
Am I obliged to, didn't realise it was prerequisite of posting.
Of course not.  If the question is too hard for you I can fully understand why you would prefer to deflect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 28, 2020, 06:49:32 PM
so what is this suppose to mean?

Dont say its the PAYG phone


"It's not clear exactly what police are looking for, whether it's potential evidence directly linked to the disappearance of Madeleine or whether its something that's more connected to Christian B the suspect."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 28, 2020, 06:49:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:39:40 PM
Yes, I guess it would just be a massive coincidence that the man fingered for the crime of abducting Madeleine McCann just so happeend to be a child abductor and murderer who was in the near vicinity of MM when she disappeared but who had absolutely nothing to do with her disappearance.

Can you provide a cite for him being a murderer?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 28, 2020, 06:49:51 PM
Can you provide a cite for him being a murderer?
No, I think you have misunderstood my post or read it out of context.  IF the police discover a missing child’s body on his property will it just be a huge coincidence that the man named a suspect in the McCann case turned out to be a child abductor and murderer or do you think it makes it more likely that he was involved in Madeleine’s disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 28, 2020, 06:49:32 PM
so what is this suppose to mean?

Dont say its the PAYG phone


"It's not clear exactly what police are looking for, whether it's potential evidence directly linked to the disappearance of Madeleine or whether its something that's more connected to Christian B the suspect."
Well here’s some clues.  There are up to 100 police searching, they are using excavators and sniffer dogs and digging up the ground around the suspect’s house. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 28, 2020, 06:56:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:53:51 PM
Well here’s some clues.  There are up to 100 police searching, they are using excavators and sniffer dogs and digging up the ground around the suspect’s house.

Are you sure about that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 28, 2020, 07:09:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 06:46:17 PM
Of course not.  If the question is too hard for you I can fully understand why you would prefer to deflect.
Now is that wry?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 28, 2020, 07:09:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 28, 2020, 06:28:35 PM
What I believe is what she said

That with the forensic report available for 15 months she hadn’t even looked at it.

Oh well you can cure stupid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 28, 2020, 07:14:07 PM
Brueckner running scared?...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 28, 2020, 07:14:07 PM
Brueckner running scared?...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html)

As I've said it's odd he isn't applying for release....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 28, 2020, 06:56:33 PM
Are you sure about that ?
Yep
“Madeleine McCann police search Hanover allotment in 'dramatic development'
The site is around 40 miles from the city of Braunschweig, where main suspect Christian B was last registered as living.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 28, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
Yep
“Madeleine McCann police search Hanover allotment in 'dramatic development'
The site is around 40 miles from the city of Braunschweig, where main suspect Christian B was last registered as living.”

They may be but it isn't where Brueckner lived - it's an allotment 4 miles away

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html

"investigators dig up German allotment four miles from his former home "
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 28, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
They may be but it isn't where Brueckner lived - it's an allotment 4 miles away

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html

"investigators dig up German allotment four miles from his former home "

I'd venture its drugs related thats why he's dropping his parole bid,which is what he's serving a sentence for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 28, 2020, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 07:33:05 PM
I'd venture its drugs related thats why he's dropping his parole bid,which is what he's serving a sentence for.
If he's dropped his parole petition it's a tactic and, despite him being a master criminal who steals his own vehicle back whilst in prison, he's not coming up with this strategy on his own.
6th August is nearly upon us, could be his defence are going all in on his conviction either being quashed or a retrial ordered.
The digging up any old haunt is a last ditch effort by das bizzies to come up with anything to charge him with, even on the word of the 'uneasy' new owner of the land.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 07:44:40 PM
Caveat its the sun.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12250850/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-early-jail-release-dropped/


A legal source said this evening: “[His] legal team appear to be focussing on getting him cleared of the rape while resisting all moves to implicate him of involvement in the McCann case.

“This puts a clear marker down - police have six months to get enough evidence to charge him over Madeleine, or he walks.”
The allotment, in the Hanover suburb, is an hour's drive from the town of Braunschweig, the last fixed home of Christian B.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 28, 2020, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 07:44:40 PM
Caveat its the sun.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12250850/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-early-jail-release-dropped/


A legal source said this evening: “[His] legal team appear to be focussing on getting him cleared of the rape while resisting all moves to implicate him of involvement in the McCann case.

“This puts a clear marker down - police have six months to get enough evidence to charge him over Madeleine, or he walks.”
The allotment, in the Hanover suburb, is an hour's drive from the town of Braunschweig, the last fixed home of Christian B.
Just looking at that link gave me Hepatitis H & J
I have the utmost respect for all police forces and have worked hand in glove with some of Germany's finest. But this is looking more and more like a desperate roll of the dice.
....and imagine the damage that digger is doing to all those Grünkohl. They'll be livid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 28, 2020, 07:51:55 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 07:44:40 PM
Caveat its the sun.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12250850/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-early-jail-release-dropped/


A legal source said this evening: “[His] legal team appear to be focussing on getting him cleared of the rape while resisting all moves to implicate him of involvement in the McCann case.

“This puts a clear marker down - police have six months to get enough evidence to charge him over Madeleine, or he walks.”
The allotment, in the Hanover suburb, is an hour's drive from the town of Braunschweig, the last fixed home of Christian B.

I don't understand this 6 months business
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2020, 07:53:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 28, 2020, 07:51:55 PM
I don't understand this 6 months business

His sentence ends in six months for the drug's offence, are they confident of the ECJ ruling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 28, 2020, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2020, 07:53:59 PM
His sentence ends in six months for the drug's offence, are they confident of the ECJ ruling.
I'm sure that theory will be shart upon, but that's what it looks like.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 08:43:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 28, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
They may be but it isn't where Brueckner lived - it's an allotment 4 miles away

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html

"investigators dig up German allotment four miles from his former home "
My mistake, I read a report earlier and assumed they were referring to the bungalow adjacent to the allotment.

“Police were later seen withdrawing bags of possible evidence from the site, with a witness telling German newspaper Bild that Brueckner had previously lived at the allotment”.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2020, 08:53:08 PM
Quote from: The General on July 28, 2020, 07:59:22 PM
I'm sure that theory will be shart upon, but that's what it looks like.

I don't see any criminal would want to spend time unnecessarily in jail..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2020, 11:12:03 PM
Some interesting details in this report

Madeleine McCann probe sees '100 officers' swoop on allotment in grim excavation
A large scale operation was carried out in Hanover by German police in connection with Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance, investigators said

A large scale operation was carried out in Hanover by German police in connection with Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance, investigators said

German police today dug up an allotment in their Madeleine McCann probe.

Suspect ­Christian Brueckner is said to have lived on the site in Hanover.

One local said: “I saw up to 100 police officers.”

The witness told how police probing the young girl's disappearance flocked to search a site in Germany where Brueckner is said to have once lived.

Officers used a digger and sniffer dog as they scoured the allotment during the “large-scale” ­operation that lasted several hours.

It remained unclear tonight if the team were looking for a body or other evidence linked to the case.

Divers were also spotted by locals searching the River Leine in the nearby town of Seelze.


Police at an allotment close to the suspect's former home (Image: Avalon.red)
Police have confirmed the hunts were in connection with Madeleine, who vanished from her family’s holiday ­apartment on the Algarve in May 2007 aged nearly four.

Mobile phone records proved Brueckner was in Praia da Luz on the night she disappeared.

One local claimed the German ­paedophile lived at the ­allotment site for a short while. And it is just four miles from where Brueckner used to live in Hanover after returning from Portugal.

Witness Marc Niemtschke said: “I saw up to 100 police officers at the scene.

“The main area of the search is on land where there is a bungalow, which is being used as a second home, and a garden shed.”


A witness said he saw 100 police officers at the scene (Image: Rainer Droese/SIPA/REX/Shutterstock)
The searches were carried out in a joint operation by German federal police and the ­prosecutors’ office in ­Braunschweig, where Brueckner was convicted of rape last year,

Prosecutor Julia Meyer said: “I can confirm that the search is being carried out in ­connection with our ­investigations into the Maddie case.

"However, I will not comment on the ­background and aim of this action or the status of the ongoing investigations.

"Police will need more time to finish their search.”

Madeleine went missing in 2007
Madeleine went missing in 2007 (Image: PA)
At the allotment an orange ­excavator dug a large hole in the ground and officers wearing masks and head torches could be seen inside it.

Police erected a temporary fence around the site after they started their search at dawn, meaning they could only be seen through some trees.

Some wore forensic suits and others used rakes and shovels to comb the area. Trees were cut down to assist the search, while several police vehicles were parked outside.

There was a prison van at the scene, although there is no indication Brueckner had changed his mind and is now assisting police in their Madeleine McCann probe sees '100 officers' swoop on allotment in grim excavation
A large scale operation was carried out in Hanover by German police in connection with Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance, investigators said

A large scale operation was carried out in Hanover by German police in connection with Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance, investigators said

German police today dug up an allotment in their Madeleine McCann probe.

Suspect ­Christian Brueckner is said to have lived on the site in Hanover.

One local said: “I saw up to 100 police officers.”

The witness told how police probing the young girl's disappearance flocked to search a site in Germany where Brueckner is said to have once lived.

Officers used a digger and sniffer dog as they scoured the allotment during the “large-scale” ­operation that lasted several hours.

It remained unclear tonight if the team were looking for a body or other evidence linked to the case.

Divers were also spotted by locals searching the River Leine in the nearby town of Seelze.


Police at an allotment close to the suspect's former home (Image: Avalon.red)
Police have confirmed the hunts were in connection with Madeleine, who vanished from her family’s holiday ­apartment on the Algarve in May 2007 aged nearly four.

Mobile phone records proved Brueckner was in Praia da Luz on the night she disappeared.

One local claimed the German ­paedophile lived at the ­allotment site for a short while. And it is just four miles from where Brueckner used to live in Hanover after returning from Portugal.

Witness Marc Niemtschke said: “I saw up to 100 police officers at the scene.

“The main area of the search is on land where there is a bungalow, which is being used as a second home, and a garden shed.”


A witness said he saw 100 police officers at the scene (Image: Rainer Droese/SIPA/REX/Shutterstock)
The searches were carried out in a joint operation by German federal police and the ­prosecutors’ office in ­Braunschweig, where Brueckner was convicted of rape last year,

Prosecutor Julia Meyer said: “I can confirm that the search is being carried out in ­connection with our ­investigations into the Maddie case.

"However, I will not comment on the ­background and aim of this action or the status of the ongoing investigations.

"Police will need more time to finish their search.”

Madeleine went missing in 2007
Madeleine went missing in 2007 (Image: PA)
At the allotment an orange ­excavator dug a large hole in the ground and officers wearing masks and head torches could be seen inside it.

Police erected a temporary fence around the site after they started their search at dawn, meaning they could only be seen through some trees.

Some wore forensic suits and others used rakes and shovels to comb the area. Trees were cut down to assist the search, while several police vehicles were parked outside.

There was a prison van at the scene, although there is no indication Brueckner had changed his mind and is now assisting police in their inquiries.

Christian Brueckner is the main suspect
Christian Brueckner is the main suspect (Image: BILD)
German officials claim they have proof Madeleine is dead.

Brueckner, 43, was named as prime suspect in the case last month. But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolter told her parents Kate and Gerry: “We can’t say why she is dead.

"It is more important that we are successful and we are able to get the culprit, as opposed to just putting our cards on the table and tell them why we think she might be.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, refuse to give up hope of finding their daughter alive. But after the latest police appeal in the case, they said: “Whatever the outcome may be, we need to know as we need to find peace.”


The search is being linked to Madeleine's disappearance (Image: Rainer Droese/SIPA/REX/Shutterstock)
The Met Police’s Operation Grange on Madeleine’s disappearance is still a missing person inquiry and chiefs insist there is no “definitive evidence whether she is alive or dead”.

Three years after the ­youngster vanished, Brueckner was living in Hanover working part-time in a garage where he was ­nicknamed “the ­screwdriver” because he always smelled of oil and petrol.

Brueckner was questioned over the murder of a sex worker in the city in 2010 but he was never charged. Monika Pawlak, 24, was killed in the early hours of New Year’s Day.

Her dismembered body was found four days later in two rubbish bags in a river.

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Brueckner regularly ­travelled between Portugal and Germany in his ­campervan, which could have easily been used to transport ­children without attracting ­attention.

He was arrested on child abuse charges and police later discovered several girls swimming costumes in the vehicle. He was also convicted of forgery of ­documents in 2010, while he was living in Hanover.

Brueckner is currently in a German jail on drugs offences. He has been linked to a string of other unsolved attacks across Europe including some in Holland, Germany and Portugal.

Police have reopened the case of Inga Gehricke who wandered off in a forest to find wood for her family’s camp fire at the age of five and was never seen again.

She disappeared in Saxony-Anhalt, Germany, on May 2, 2015. At the time it was alleged Brueckner shared a sickening fantasy in a chatroom about the kidnap and sexual abuse of a child. He ­allegedly said he wanted to “capture something small and use it for days”.

Brueckner has been convicted of the 2005 rape of an ­American pensioner in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine vanished.

He is awaiting the result of an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Luxembourg on whether he should be freed through a legal loophole.

Christian Brueckner is the main suspect
Christian Brueckner is the main suspect (Image: BILD)
German officials claim they have proof Madeleine is dead.

Brueckner, 43, was named as prime suspect in the case last month. But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolter told her parents Kate and Gerry: “We can’t say why she is dead.

"It is more important that we are successful and we are able to get the culprit, as opposed to just putting our cards on the table and tell them why we think she might be.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, refuse to give up hope of finding their daughter alive. But after the latest police appeal in the case, they said: “Whatever the outcome may be, we need to know as we need to find peace.”


The search is being linked to Madeleine's disappearance (Image: Rainer Droese/SIPA/REX/Shutterstock)
The Met Police’s Operation Grange on Madeleine’s disappearance is still a missing person inquiry and chiefs insist there is no “definitive evidence whether she is alive or dead”.

Three years after the ­youngster vanished, Brueckner was living in Hanover working part-time in a garage where he was ­nicknamed “the ­screwdriver” because he always smelled of oil and petrol.

Brueckner was questioned over the murder of a sex worker in the city in 2010 but he was never charged. Monika Pawlak, 24, was killed in the early hours of New Year’s Day.

Her dismembered body was found four days later in two rubbish bags in a river.

What crimes have been reported in your neighbourhood? Check with In Your Area.

Brueckner regularly ­travelled between Portugal and Germany in his ­campervan, which could have easily been used to transport ­children without attracting ­attention.

He was arrested on child abuse charges and police later discovered several girls swimming costumes in the vehicle. He was also convicted of forgery of ­documents in 2010, while he was living in Hanover.

Brueckner is currently in a German jail on drugs offences. He has been linked to a string of other unsolved attacks across Europe including some in Holland, Germany and Portugal.

Police have reopened the case of Inga Gehricke who wandered off in a forest to find wood for her family’s camp fire at the age of five and was never seen again.

She disappeared in Saxony-Anhalt, Germany, on May 2, 2015. At the time it was alleged Brueckner shared a sickening fantasy in a chatroom about the kidnap and sexual abuse of a child. He ­allegedly said he wanted to “capture something small and use it for days”.

Brueckner has been convicted of the 2005 rape of an ­American pensioner in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine vanished.

He is awaiting the result of an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Luxembourg on whether he should be freed through a legal loophole.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 29, 2020, 12:01:05 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 28, 2020, 07:14:07 PM
Brueckner running scared?...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html)

Why would he drop a bid for early release? Or did the press get it wrong and whichever responsible court ruled against it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 07:53:58 AM
I think some posters seem to think the German investigation has stalled... certainly doesn't look that way to me. It would be incredible if they were able to solve this case after 13 years when the Portuguese failed
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 08:05:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 07:53:58 AM
I think some posters seem to think the German investigation has stalled... certainly doesn't look that way to me. It would be incredible if they were able to solve this case after 13 years when the Portuguese failed
I think some posters here desperately HOPE the German investigation has stalled.   The mean-spirited, bitter cynicism of some posters is quite overwhelming at times.  Why would anyone NOT want a resolution to this case?  I can only think of one reason....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2020, 08:13:33 AM
Quote from: Carana on July 29, 2020, 12:01:05 AM
Why would he drop a bid for early release? Or did the press get it wrong and whichever responsible court ruled against it?

It is possible the press have got it wrong, it wouldn't be the first time,  But even if any hearing had been conducted in camera I think there would have been an announcement made regarding the result.                           

Maybe he knows the game is up and has cooperated to the extent of giving something up.  I don't think the Germans have put the resources they have into their present search of the land without having the justification of some firm information to back it up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2020, 08:30:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 08:05:12 AM
I think some posters here desperately HOPE the German investigation has stalled.   The mean-spirited, bitter cynicism of some posters is quite overwhelming at times.  Why would anyone NOT want a resolution to this case?  I can only think of one reason....
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/29/08/wire-31319310-1596007073-119_634x434.jpg)
The search dog is carrying his toy ... looks as if he has been rewarded for doing his job https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-8571313/Germany-garden-search-continues-McCann-investigation.html  The rest of the photographs are testimony to the German resolve to get to the root of their firm suspicions about Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 29, 2020, 09:05:49 AM
It is believed prime suspect, a 43-year-old German drifter, rented a trailer beside the allotment just weeks after the British youngster went missing on a family holiday in the resort of Praia da Luz.

The convicted paedophile led a nomadic lifestyle and often drove the 1,600 miles in a camper van between Germany and the Algarve.

The allotment sits beside a bungalow and wooden outbuildings. It is also close to a field with a canal and busy road running alongside.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1315695/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-search-former-home-suspect-germany (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1315695/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-search-former-home-suspect-germany)

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.3899654,9.6528019,106a,35y,7.36h,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.3899654,9.6528019,106a,35y,7.36h,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157)

By trailer, I wonder if they mean the small white caravan (or one similar to it) due south of the red-roofed bungalow, which could have been parked in the same position since December 2006 (according to Google Earth imagery attached)...


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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 29, 2020, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 29, 2020, 09:05:49 AM
It is believed prime suspect, a 43-year-old German drifter, rented a trailer beside the allotment just weeks after the British youngster went missing on a family holiday in the resort of Praia da Luz.

The convicted paedophile led a nomadic lifestyle and often drove the 1,600 miles in a camper van between Germany and the Algarve.

The allotment sits beside a bungalow and wooden outbuildings. It is also close to a field with a canal and busy road running alongside.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1315695/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-search-former-home-suspect-germany (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1315695/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-search-former-home-suspect-germany)

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.3899654,9.6528019,106a,35y,7.36h,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kl%C3%B6cknerstra%C3%9Fe+15,+30926+Seelze,+Germany/@52.3899654,9.6528019,106a,35y,7.36h,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b074071b1f29c5:0x5ce30cdb1d0a19c0!8m2!3d52.39208!4d9.65157)

By trailer, I wonder if they mean the small white caravan (or one similar to it) due south of the red-roofed bungalow, which could have been parked in the same position since December 2006 (according to Google Earth imagery attached)...

By whom, I wonder?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2020, 11:12:03 PM
Some interesting details in this report

Madeleine McCann probe sees '100 officers' swoop on allotment in grim excavation
A large scale operation was carried out in Hanover by German police in connection with Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance, investigators said

A large scale operation was carried out in Hanover by German police in connection with Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance, investigators said

German police today dug up an allotment in their Madeleine McCann probe.

Suspect ­Christian Brueckner is said to have lived on the site in Hanover.

One local said: “I saw up to 100 police officers.”

The witness told how police probing the young girl's disappearance flocked to search a site in Germany where Brueckner is said to have once lived.

Officers used a digger and sniffer dog as they scoured the allotment during the “large-scale” ­operation that lasted several hours.

It remained unclear tonight if the team were looking for a body or other evidence linked to the case.

Divers were also spotted by locals searching the River Leine in the nearby town of Seelze.


Police at an allotment close to the suspect's former home (Image: Avalon.red)
Police have confirmed the hunts were in connection with Madeleine, who vanished from her family’s holiday ­apartment on the Algarve in May 2007 aged nearly four.

Mobile phone records proved Brueckner was in Praia da Luz on the night she disappeared.

One local claimed the German ­paedophile lived at the ­allotment site for a short while. And it is just four miles from where Brueckner used to live in Hanover after returning from Portugal.

Witness Marc Niemtschke said: “I saw up to 100 police officers at the scene.

“The main area of the search is on land where there is a bungalow, which is being used as a second home, and a garden shed.”


A witness said he saw 100 police officers at the scene (Image: Rainer Droese/SIPA/REX/Shutterstock)
The searches were carried out in a joint operation by German federal police and the ­prosecutors’ office in ­Braunschweig, where Brueckner was convicted of rape last year,

Prosecutor Julia Meyer said: “I can confirm that the search is being carried out in ­connection with our ­investigations into the Maddie case.

"However, I will not comment on the ­background and aim of this action or the status of the ongoing investigations.

"Police will need more time to finish their search.”

Madeleine went missing in 2007
Madeleine went missing in 2007 (Image: PA)
At the allotment an orange ­excavator dug a large hole in the ground and officers wearing masks and head torches could be seen inside it.

Police erected a temporary fence around the site after they started their search at dawn, meaning they could only be seen through some trees.

Some wore forensic suits and others used rakes and shovels to comb the area. Trees were cut down to assist the search, while several police vehicles were parked outside.

There was a prison van at the scene, although there is no indication Brueckner had changed his mind and is now assisting police in their Madeleine McCann probe sees '100 officers' swoop on allotment in grim excavation
A large scale operation was carried out in Hanover by German police in connection with Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance, investigators said

A large scale operation was carried out in Hanover by German police in connection with Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance, investigators said

German police today dug up an allotment in their Madeleine McCann probe.

Suspect ­Christian Brueckner is said to have lived on the site in Hanover.

One local said: “I saw up to 100 police officers.”

The witness told how police probing the young girl's disappearance flocked to search a site in Germany where Brueckner is said to have once lived.

Officers used a digger and sniffer dog as they scoured the allotment during the “large-scale” ­operation that lasted several hours.

It remained unclear tonight if the team were looking for a body or other evidence linked to the case.

Divers were also spotted by locals searching the River Leine in the nearby town of Seelze.


Police at an allotment close to the suspect's former home (Image: Avalon.red)
Police have confirmed the hunts were in connection with Madeleine, who vanished from her family’s holiday ­apartment on the Algarve in May 2007 aged nearly four.

Mobile phone records proved Brueckner was in Praia da Luz on the night she disappeared.

One local claimed the German ­paedophile lived at the ­allotment site for a short while. And it is just four miles from where Brueckner used to live in Hanover after returning from Portugal.

Witness Marc Niemtschke said: “I saw up to 100 police officers at the scene.

“The main area of the search is on land where there is a bungalow, which is being used as a second home, and a garden shed.”


A witness said he saw 100 police officers at the scene (Image: Rainer Droese/SIPA/REX/Shutterstock)
The searches were carried out in a joint operation by German federal police and the ­prosecutors’ office in ­Braunschweig, where Brueckner was convicted of rape last year,

Prosecutor Julia Meyer said: “I can confirm that the search is being carried out in ­connection with our ­investigations into the Maddie case.

"However, I will not comment on the ­background and aim of this action or the status of the ongoing investigations.

"Police will need more time to finish their search.”

Madeleine went missing in 2007
Madeleine went missing in 2007 (Image: PA)
At the allotment an orange ­excavator dug a large hole in the ground and officers wearing masks and head torches could be seen inside it.

Police erected a temporary fence around the site after they started their search at dawn, meaning they could only be seen through some trees.

Some wore forensic suits and others used rakes and shovels to comb the area. Trees were cut down to assist the search, while several police vehicles were parked outside.

There was a prison van at the scene, although there is no indication Brueckner had changed his mind and is now assisting police in their inquiries.

Christian Brueckner is the main suspect
Christian Brueckner is the main suspect (Image: BILD)
German officials claim they have proof Madeleine is dead.

Brueckner, 43, was named as prime suspect in the case last month. But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolter told her parents Kate and Gerry: “We can’t say why she is dead.

"It is more important that we are successful and we are able to get the culprit, as opposed to just putting our cards on the table and tell them why we think she might be.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, refuse to give up hope of finding their daughter alive. But after the latest police appeal in the case, they said: “Whatever the outcome may be, we need to know as we need to find peace.”


The search is being linked to Madeleine's disappearance (Image: Rainer Droese/SIPA/REX/Shutterstock)
The Met Police’s Operation Grange on Madeleine’s disappearance is still a missing person inquiry and chiefs insist there is no “definitive evidence whether she is alive or dead”.

Three years after the ­youngster vanished, Brueckner was living in Hanover working part-time in a garage where he was ­nicknamed “the ­screwdriver” because he always smelled of oil and petrol.

Brueckner was questioned over the murder of a sex worker in the city in 2010 but he was never charged. Monika Pawlak, 24, was killed in the early hours of New Year’s Day.

Her dismembered body was found four days later in two rubbish bags in a river.

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Brueckner regularly ­travelled between Portugal and Germany in his ­campervan, which could have easily been used to transport ­children without attracting ­attention.

He was arrested on child abuse charges and police later discovered several girls swimming costumes in the vehicle. He was also convicted of forgery of ­documents in 2010, while he was living in Hanover.

Brueckner is currently in a German jail on drugs offences. He has been linked to a string of other unsolved attacks across Europe including some in Holland, Germany and Portugal.

Police have reopened the case of Inga Gehricke who wandered off in a forest to find wood for her family’s camp fire at the age of five and was never seen again.

She disappeared in Saxony-Anhalt, Germany, on May 2, 2015. At the time it was alleged Brueckner shared a sickening fantasy in a chatroom about the kidnap and sexual abuse of a child. He ­allegedly said he wanted to “capture something small and use it for days”.

Brueckner has been convicted of the 2005 rape of an ­American pensioner in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine vanished.

He is awaiting the result of an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Luxembourg on whether he should be freed through a legal loophole.

Christian Brueckner is the main suspect
Christian Brueckner is the main suspect (Image: BILD)
German officials claim they have proof Madeleine is dead.

Brueckner, 43, was named as prime suspect in the case last month. But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolter told her parents Kate and Gerry: “We can’t say why she is dead.

"It is more important that we are successful and we are able to get the culprit, as opposed to just putting our cards on the table and tell them why we think she might be.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, refuse to give up hope of finding their daughter alive. But after the latest police appeal in the case, they said: “Whatever the outcome may be, we need to know as we need to find peace.”


The search is being linked to Madeleine's disappearance (Image: Rainer Droese/SIPA/REX/Shutterstock)
The Met Police’s Operation Grange on Madeleine’s disappearance is still a missing person inquiry and chiefs insist there is no “definitive evidence whether she is alive or dead”.

Three years after the ­youngster vanished, Brueckner was living in Hanover working part-time in a garage where he was ­nicknamed “the ­screwdriver” because he always smelled of oil and petrol.

Brueckner was questioned over the murder of a sex worker in the city in 2010 but he was never charged. Monika Pawlak, 24, was killed in the early hours of New Year’s Day.

Her dismembered body was found four days later in two rubbish bags in a river.

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Brueckner regularly ­travelled between Portugal and Germany in his ­campervan, which could have easily been used to transport ­children without attracting ­attention.

He was arrested on child abuse charges and police later discovered several girls swimming costumes in the vehicle. He was also convicted of forgery of ­documents in 2010, while he was living in Hanover.

Brueckner is currently in a German jail on drugs offences. He has been linked to a string of other unsolved attacks across Europe including some in Holland, Germany and Portugal.

Police have reopened the case of Inga Gehricke who wandered off in a forest to find wood for her family’s camp fire at the age of five and was never seen again.

She disappeared in Saxony-Anhalt, Germany, on May 2, 2015. At the time it was alleged Brueckner shared a sickening fantasy in a chatroom about the kidnap and sexual abuse of a child. He ­allegedly said he wanted to “capture something small and use it for days”.

Brueckner has been convicted of the 2005 rape of an ­American pensioner in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine vanished.

He is awaiting the result of an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Luxembourg on whether he should be freed through a legal loophole.

Which details did you find interesting?

In summary the German police did a dig on a site where Brueckner is said to have lived, but that seems to have been in 2010, when he was convicted in Hanover of forgery.

Did Brueckner appeal to the ECHR as well as the ECJ? I think the Mirror are wrong, because the ECJ is in Luxembourg, but the ECHR is in Strasbourg.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on July 29, 2020, 10:02:06 AM
they are looking for maddies body right now  this is  live   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnkZY_HJ6og
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on July 29, 2020, 10:02:06 AM
they are looking for maddies body right now  this is  live   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnkZY_HJ6og

A good find.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on July 29, 2020, 10:17:23 AM
on  ruptly   they  said he didnt have a  flat he had a  long knocked down hut but with a  secret tunnel   and its a  26  hoyr  drive from where the mcanns stayed to this   search area
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 29, 2020, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 29, 2020, 08:13:33 AM
It is possible the press have got it wrong, it wouldn't be the first time,  But even if any hearing had been conducted in camera I think there would have been an announcement made regarding the result.                           

Maybe he knows the game is up and has cooperated to the extent of giving something up.  I don't think the Germans have put the resources they have into their present search of the land without having the justification of some firm information to back it up.

He's apparently in solitary confinement for his own protection. Now that his face, name and previous convictions are known worldwide, maybe he feels safer there...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2020, 10:28:29 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
Which details did you find interesting?

In summary the German police did a dig on a site where Brueckner is said to have lived, but that seems to have been in 2010, when he was convicted in Hanover of forgery.

Did Brueckner appeal to the ECHR as well as the ECJ? I think the Mirror are wrong, because the ECJ is in Luxembourg, but the ECHR is in Strasbourg.

I am sure I read somewhere that he was appealing his extradition from Italy on the grounds that it was regarding his drug offences and since the rape in Portugal hadn't been in the paperwork his lawyers are questioning the extradition and subsequent trial for that.

The appeal he has dropped is a local one regarding his having served two thirds of his drug conviction time.

I stand to being corrected, but I think that is the essence of his appeals.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2020, 10:38:49 AM
Quote from: Carana on July 29, 2020, 10:25:20 AM
He's apparently in solitary confinement for his own protection. Now that his face, name and previous convictions are known worldwide, maybe he feels safer there...

I think he will be safer in solitary in jail.  There are a lot of relatives of missing people in the areas he is known to have frequented looking for answers.

I'm not saying he is responsible for all or any of them but it is something the police are going to have to find out about.

I think he would be safe enough though, the Germans have already carried out some formidably heavy surveillance of him prior I think to losing him when he ran to Italy.  They won't make that mistake twice.  If he is released they will be all over him like a rash.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 29, 2020, 10:28:29 AM
I am sure I read somewhere that he was appealing his extradition from Italy on the grounds that it was regarding his drug offences and since the rape in Portugal hadn't been in the paperwork his lawyers are questioning the extradition and subsequent trial for that.

The appeal he has dropped is a local one regarding his having served two thirds of his drug conviction time.

I stand to being corrected, but I think that is the essence of his appeals.

He applied for parole as he'd served two thirds of his sentence for drug trafficking. Whether that was refused or withdrawn isn't clear.

This is why he appealed to the ECJ;

He was transferred to Germany under a European Arrest Warrant (EAW) relating to a different criminal offence.

Under the principle of “specialty”, extradited people can normally only be prosecuted for the crime for which the EAW was granted.

The Federal Court of Justice referred the issue to the European Court of Justice in April.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-rape-conviction-appeal-christian-brueckner-a9548886.html

Germany was criticised in 2019 for it's methods of issuing EAW's. As Brueckner was arrested in Italy in 2018 he may have a case if the EAW was issued by the public prosecutor's office and not by a judge. 5,600 EAW's were invalidated following a ruling in May 2019 by the ECJ because they were issued by PPO's.
https://www.linklaters.com/en/insights/blogs/businesscrimelinks/2020/january/cjeu-continues-to-clarify-ruling-on-european-arrest-warrants
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 11:09:39 AM
He applied for parole as he'd served two thirds of his sentence for drug trafficking. Whether that was refused or withdrawn isn't clear.

This is why he appealed to the ECJ;

He was transferred to Germany under a European Arrest Warrant (EAW) relating to a different criminal offence.

Under the principle of “specialty”, extradited people can normally only be prosecuted for the crime for which the EAW was granted.

The Federal Court of Justice referred the issue to the European Court of Justice in April.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-rape-conviction-appeal-christian-brueckner-a9548886.html

Germany was criticised in 2019 for it's methods of issuing EAW's. As Brueckner was arrested in Italy in 2018 he may have a case if the EAW was issued by the public prosecutor's office and not by a judge. 5,600 EAW's were invalidated following a ruling in May 2019 by the ECJ because they were issued by PPO's.
https://www.linklaters.com/en/insights/blogs/businesscrimelinks/2020/january/cjeu-continues-to-clarify-ruling-on-european-arrest-warrants

The important word is normally.
 If a prisoner was arrested via a EAW for theft ...then a month later it was discovered he may have murdered someone it would be absurd to suggest he couldn't be investigated and tried for murder. I would think it depends when the Germans became aware of the rape accusation against him...im just thinking logically. it obviously isn't cut and dried
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 29, 2020, 11:25:17 AM
So what are the German police saying ? That Brueckner took Madeleine thousands of miles after abducting her, with the police hot on his tail,  only to murder her and bury her in his allotment?

If it is the only question would be why ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 29, 2020, 11:25:17 AM
So what are the German police saying ? That Brueckner took Madeleine thousands of miles after abducting her, with the police hot on his tail,  only to murder her and bury her in his allotment?

If it is the only question would be why ?

The answer is quite simple...the police were not hot on his tails. Having got away Scott free with one rape and God knows how many other crimes he didn't fear them. The question as to why he fled will be answered do I don't see any point in speculation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 29, 2020, 12:10:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
The answer is quite simple...the police were not hot on his tails. Having got away Scott free with one rape and God knows how many other crimes he didn't fear them. The question as to why he fled will be answered do I don't see any point in speculation
Speculation might be pointless but I find it interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 12:26:51 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 29, 2020, 11:25:17 AM
So what are the German police saying ? That Brueckner took Madeleine thousands of miles after abducting her, with the police hot on his tail,  only to murder her and bury her in his allotment?

If it is the only question would be why ?

That relies on any trace of Madeleine being found,OG couldn't with their digs,the resources seem to be on par.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 12:28:01 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 29, 2020, 12:10:06 PM
Speculation might be pointless but I find it interesting.

I think it can get incredibly boring when it goes on ad infinitum
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 29, 2020, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 12:28:01 PM
I think it can get incredibly boring when it goes on ad infinitum
It is hardly likely to go on ad infinitum!   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 29, 2020, 12:32:31 PM
It is hardly likely to go on ad infinitum!

Its a figure of speech
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 12:38:15 PM

Don't start again, you two.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
Don't start again, you two.

Im not starting anything...perhaps it would be best if I simply put rob on ignore
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 12:41:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
Don't start again, you two.

Oh come on its like "the odd couple".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 29, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
Don't start again, you two.
Its OK.  We are getting on alright.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 29, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
Its OK.  We are getting on alright.

Ive decided its better for the smooth running of the forum if I simply put you on ignore...i wont be responding to anymore of your posts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 29, 2020, 12:47:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Ive decided its better for the smooth running of the forum if I simply put you on ignore...i wont be responding to anymore of your posts
Well how is that going to help? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 12:55:21 PM
I dont think the Germans should be criticided if they find nothing.....Its normal policework to cast a net far and wide and see what turns up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 29, 2020, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 12:55:21 PM
I dont think the Germans should be criticided if they find nothing.....Its normal policework to cast a net far and wide and see what turns up.
I want Madeleine to be still alive, so to me finding nothing is a really good thing.  It keeps hope alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 12:40:24 PM
Im not starting anything...perhaps it would be best if I simply put rob on ignore

That right remains yours.  But probably a bit pointless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 08:05:12 AM
I think some posters here desperately HOPE the German investigation has stalled.   The mean-spirited, bitter cynicism of some posters is quite overwhelming at times.  Why would anyone NOT want a resolution to this case?  I can only think of one reason....

I wonder if some HOPE Brueckner is guilty in order to confirm the abduction theory is correct and prove the parents right? Unfortunately I suspect that the hope that Madeleine is alive will have to be abandoned if he is guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 01:41:15 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 01:36:34 PM
That right remains yours.  But probably a bit pointless.

I think I've been given 20 points unfairly by Rob...so not pointless..enough said I'll leave it there
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 01:42:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
I wonder if some HOPE Brueckner is guilty in order to confirm the abduction theory is correct and prove the parents right? Unfortunately I suspect that the hope that Madeleine is alive will have to be abandoned if he is guilty.

I wonder if some hope the investigation doesn't succeed as it would prove them wrong...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 29, 2020, 01:43:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
Which details did you find interesting?

In summary the German police did a dig on a site where Brueckner is said to have lived, but that seems to have been in 2010, when he was convicted in Hanover of forgery.

Did Brueckner appeal to the ECHR as well as the ECJ? I think the Mirror are wrong, because the ECJ is in Luxembourg, but the ECHR is in Strasbourg.
Apparently Brückner lived at the search site in 2007 after Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 01:52:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
I wonder if some HOPE Brueckner is guilty in order to confirm the abduction theory is correct and prove the parents right? Unfortunately I suspect that the hope that Madeleine is alive will have to be abandoned if he is guilty.

I think it's highly unlikely Maddie is alive..but who knows...it's all been said before
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 01:58:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
I wonder if some HOPE Brueckner is guilty in order to confirm the abduction theory is correct and prove the parents right? Unfortunately I suspect that the hope that Madeleine is alive will have to be abandoned if he is guilty.

Believe me, most of us Supporters are more than capable of copping with that.  Much as we would prefer otherwise.

And we won't have to live with the guilt associated with tearing The McCanns to pieces for thirteen years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
Which details did you find interesting?

In summary the German police did a dig on a site where Brueckner is said to have lived, but that seems to have been in 2010, when he was convicted in Hanover of forgery.

Did Brueckner appeal to the ECHR as well as the ECJ? I think the Mirror are wrong, because the ECJ is in Luxembourg, but the ECHR is in Strasbourg.
I would have thought that the passages that I bolded would have made it clear which details I found interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 01:58:11 PM
Believe me, most of us Supporters are more than capable of copping with that.  Much as we would prefer otherwise.

And we won't have to live with the guilt associated with tearing The McCanns to pieces for thirteen years.

Prefer otherwise? Thousands of words have been written trying to avoid facing the possibility that the child died. Personally I've never 'torn the McCanns to pieces', so no guilt for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 12:55:21 PM
I dont think the Germans should be criticided if they find nothing.....Its normal policework to cast a net far and wide and see what turns up.
Oh the scoffing and jeering we will have to endure by the cynical know-it-alls if they find nothing...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:14:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
I wonder if some HOPE Brueckner is guilty in order to confirm the abduction theory is correct and prove the parents right? Unfortunately I suspect that the hope that Madeleine is alive will have to be abandoned if he is guilty.
I have always believed Madeleine was abducted and murdered by a paedophile.  I hope the police have the right man in their sights and can prove it was him, to gain justice for Madeleine and closure for her parents.  Does that make me a bad person?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 02:10:19 PM
Prefer otherwise? Thousands of words have been written trying to avoid facing the possibility that the child died. Personally I've never 'torn the McCanns to pieces', so no guilt for me.
You've engaged in some pretty snide insinuations though.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 02:10:19 PM
Prefer otherwise? Thousands of words have been written trying to avoid facing the possibility that the child died. Personally I've never 'torn the McCanns to pieces', so no guilt for me.

Please don't play word games with me.  Such short memories so many of you have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:08:03 PM
I would have thought that the passages that I bolded would have made it clear which details I found interesting.

Are any of them confirmed as facts?

"The witness told how police probing the young girl's disappearance flocked to search a site in Germany where Brueckner is said to have once lived.

There was a prison van at the scene, although there is no indication Brueckner had changed his mind and is now assisting police in their inquiries.

Brueckner was questioned over the murder of a sex worker in the city in 2010 but he was never charged. Monika Pawlak, 24, was killed in the early hours of New Year’s Day."

In Hanover, a senior prosecutor was also forced to state there was “no connection” between Bruckner and the murder of a prostitute in 2010. According to the Daily Mail, Bruckner was a suspect in the death of Monika Pawlak, who was found dismembered.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300030444/germans-have-evidence-madeleine-mccann-was-killed-by-new-suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:15:35 PM
You've engaged in some pretty snide insinuations though.  IMO.

I have always made it quite clear that I don't know what happened on 3rd May 2007. I have criticised the McCanns for leaving their children alone in an unlocked apartment and it's difficult to imagine imo how anyone could have taken Madeleine before 10pm if her parents had been present.

I have also pointed out that there were inconsistencies in the T9's statements, which there were.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
I have always made it quite clear that I don't know what happened on 3rd May 2007. I have criticised the McCanns for leaving their children alone in an unlocked apartment and it's difficult to imagine imo how anyone could have taken Madeleine before 10pm if her parents had been present.

I have also pointed out that there were inconsistencies in the T9's statements, which there were.

It's the reasons for the inconsistencies that's important....I think much of it is down to how they were taken...SY nor the Germans are looking at the parents
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
Are any of them confirmed as facts?

"The witness told how police probing the young girl's disappearance flocked to search a site in Germany where Brueckner is said to have once lived.

There was a prison van at the scene, although there is no indication Brueckner had changed his mind and is now assisting police in their inquiries.

Brueckner was questioned over the murder of a sex worker in the city in 2010 but he was never charged. Monika Pawlak, 24, was killed in the early hours of New Year’s Day."

In Hanover, a senior prosecutor was also forced to state there was “no connection” between Bruckner and the murder of a prostitute in 2010. According to the Daily Mail, Bruckner was a suspect in the death of Monika Pawlak, who was found dismembered.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300030444/germans-have-evidence-madeleine-mccann-was-killed-by-new-suspect
Am I not allowed to find things interesting that you haven't approved as factual now?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:37:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
I have always made it quite clear that I don't know what happened on 3rd May 2007. I have criticised the McCanns for leaving their children alone in an unlocked apartment and it's difficult to imagine imo how anyone could have taken Madeleine before 10pm if her parents had been present.

I have also pointed out that there were inconsistencies in the T9's statements, which there were.
And you have also engaged in some pretty snide insinuations with your *innocent face* wonderings.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
I have always made it quite clear that I don't know what happened on 3rd May 2007. I have criticised the McCanns for leaving their children alone in an unlocked apartment and it's difficult to imagine imo how anyone could have taken Madeleine before 10pm if her parents had been present.

I have also pointed out that there were inconsistencies in the T9's statements, which there were.
According to what you've stated in the past it's difficult for you to imagine how anyone could have taken Madeleine before 10pm even with her parents not being present so you appear to be shifting the goalposts of your imaginings somewhat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:46:48 PM
So who of the know-it-alls on here who *knew* that the Germans had revealed everything they had on Bruckner already knew about his allotment with the cellar before today?

Madeleine McCann police find prime suspect's 'secret cellar' in dig at allotment
Christian Brueckner lived in a camper van 'off-grid' at the vegetable garden near Hanover, Germany the year Madeleine McCann vanished while on holiday with her family in Portugal


Police have found a 'secret cellar' which belonged to Madeleine McCann's prime suspect where he lived the year she vanished, it has been reported.

Christian Brueckner lived "off-grid" at the vegetable garden near Hanover, Germany in 2007, locals have claimed.

The convicted sex offender reportedly had no interest in growing vegetables but lounged around drinking beer and told people he was a car mechanic while living in a van.

The gazebo has since been destroyed but German media reports today that police digging up the site have found the cellar and are searching it for evidence about Madeleine's disappearance.

Wolfgang Kossak, who lives in a neighbouring property, said the search was “ominous”.


Police cars are parked on the roadside near the allotment (Image: AFP via Getty Images)
German police have said Christian Brueckner is now a prime suspect
Christian Brueckner is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann (Image: BILD)
He said many of the plots were sub-let and he recalled a stranger who “caused a lot of trouble” visiting the site around 2006 and 2007.

According to local newspaper HAZ, detectives discovered and searched the cellar of a gazebo which had once stood at the garden.

Speaking to MailOnline, Mr Kossak said: "Christian Brueckner had the garden next to mine. He arrived in 2007 and left within a year.

"He told me that he living off the grid, that he had not registered with the authorities – no one knew he was there.

"The building was not really a house, you might call it a shed. But it had a cellar and underneath there would be foundations."


Investigators arrive as officers search the garden plot (Image: JONAS NOLDEN/EPA-EFE/REX/Shutterstock)

Police have been tight-lipped on what exactly they're looking for (Image: Daily Mirror/Andy Stenning)
He said the buildings on Brueckner's plot of land were demolished in 2008.

He added that Brueckner would talk of his preference for southern Europe due to the climate and that the rapist had a VW Transporter van and "parked it next to the allotment and lived in the vehicle".

Police have said a camper van that was spotted in the Praia da Luz area in early 2007 is vital to their investigation.

Mobile phone records proved Brueckner was in Praia da Luz on the night she disappeared.


A VW camper van linked to Brueckner (Image: METROPOLITAN POLICE HANDOUT/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock)
German detectives have not said if they are looking for Madeleine's remains or simply evidence against Brueckner.

German prosecutors have said they believe the missing youngster, who vanished from her Portuguese hotel room in 2007, is dead.

Police in Portugal have also renewed search efforts based on reports that the German suspect stayed in the area in a beat-up RV at the time Madeleine went missing. They have unsuccessfully searched around 30 wells for human remains.

Mr Kossak said that Brueckner disappeared in 2008 and he never saw him again.


Police have tried to screen off the dig site (Image: Daily Mirror/Andy Stenning)
Madeleine went missing in 2007
Madeleine went missing in 2007 (Image: PA)
German media says he received at least two criminal convictions from a Hanover court, one for forging documents in 2010 and another for theft in 2013.   

He split his time between Germany and Portugal from 2013 to 2015, prosecutors in Hanover have said.

Asked by Bild about Brueckner's connection to the allotment, the suspect's lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher said he could not comment on the police operation. 

Pressed on why the allotment was being searched, Fuelscher told the newspaper that "I think we'll find out the reason soon".

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Through his lawyer Brueckner, currently imprisoned in Germany for drugs offences, has denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance or death.

He has also been convicted of the rape of a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz in 2007. He is trying to appeal.

The drugs conviction is due to keep him behind bars until shortly before the end of January next year and, after that, a seven-year jail term for the rape will kick in unless he wins his appeal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 29, 2020, 02:53:49 PM
Secret cellar - also known as air raid shelter.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 29, 2020, 02:53:49 PM
Secret cellar - also known as air raid shelter.  IMO
Of course.  Perfectly normal for the local paedo rapist to have an air raid shelter under his allotment in the middle of nowehere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 29, 2020, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:58:05 PM
Of course.  Perfectly normal for the local paedo rapist to have an air raid shelter under his allotment in the middle of nowehere.

Hanover was a prime target for Bomber Command, who flew 78 raids against the city.
Unfortunately they were not very good shots and and many bombs were dropped in surrounding area.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 02:58:05 PM
Of course.  Perfectly normal for the local paedo rapist to have an air raid shelter under his allotment in the middle of nowehere.

Think you might be wrong it being underground. it says off grid if you read it properly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 29, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
They  appear to be digging in several different area and I think that media are confusingly bundling it all together.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 03:20:01 PM
Think you might be wrong it being underground. it says off grid if you read it properly.

the remark "off grid" has nothing to do with the cellar
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 03:20:01 PM
Think you might be wrong it being underground. it says off grid if you read it properly.
I think it's you who needs to read it properly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 03:41:38 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 29, 2020, 03:00:15 PM
Hanover was a prime target for Bomber Command, who flew 78 raids against the city.
Unfortunately they were not very good shots and and many bombs were dropped in surrounding area.
That's as maybe, and perhaps it is an air raid shelter, and perhaps it's just another massive coincidence that the paedo/rapist who has allegedly talked to acquaintances about keeping a small thing in captivity for a while should also just so happen to have one at his disposal, in the middle of nowhere, under his allotment.  Nothing to see here, move along move along.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 29, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
They  appear to be digging in several different area and I think that media are confusingly bundling it all together.
Which areas are they digging in apart from the allotment?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 03:46:37 PM
For anyone interested in German air raid shelters

German Air Raid Shelters
Germany

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Written by Andy Emmerson on 01 January 1979.

Except when we are talking about coal bunkers-or indeed oil bunkers-we British always assume bunkers to be underground structures. Why this is I am not quite sure, but the Germans did not feel any obligation to build all their Luftschutzbunker (aerial protection bunkers) below ground. In fact they have two words for the notion, Tiefbunker (underground bunker) and Hochbunker (surface bunker).

Many of the bunkers constructed for air raid protection from the mid-1930s onwards were constructed above ground, particularly those constructed under the Führer-Sofortprogramm (Hitler’s Immediate Programme) of 10th October 1940. These were sub-classified into Luftschutzhäuser (air raid protection buildings) and Luftschutztürme (air raid protection towers). Both patterns were very substantial structures of similar construction, the chief distinction being that the ‘towers’ were circular in ground plan.

Underground shelters give a possibly false sense of security. For protection they rely on earth cover and any structures overhead, although if this collapses, caves in or blocks means of escape, the shelter provided is of no real value. The German way of thinking was that above-ground construction was a lot simpler and faster, and if carried out on a sufficiently massive scale, would provide equally good protection. The number of surface bunkers that survived intact (or largely intact) bears out this notion.

Anyone familiar with the fairly paltry scale of organised civilian air raid protection provided during the last war in Britain will only marvel at what the Germans achieved. Whereas London’s underground air raid shelters aimed to protect just 1 per cent of people at risk, in Germany a far more elaborate construction programme set out to provide shelter for 5 per cent of the population in 70 cities, using elaborate above-ground structures of massive proportions. Measured against London’s provision, they were both luxurious internally and elegant externally

After the war these structures proved to be very difficult to demolish and for many new uses were found. Some were turned into residence blocks for students, while in Hamburg a huge bunker became the city’s first television studio centre.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 29, 2020, 03:56:31 PM
They have also searched public gardens opposite a block of flats where he lived.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12255403/madeleine-mccann-secret-cellar-built-under-allotment/

A confusing article IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 29, 2020, 03:56:31 PM
They have also searched public gardens opposite a block of flats where he lived.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12255403/madeleine-mccann-secret-cellar-built-under-allotment/

A confusing article IMO
I think that article makes it clear that the cellar belonged to a house since torn down, and is not therefore likely to be an air raid shelter, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 04:51:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 02:15:43 PM
Please don't play word games with me.  Such short memories so many of you have.

You forgot the "I'm better at it than you"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 04:51:05 PM
You forgot the "I'm better at it than you"

That is a given.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
I wonder if some HOPE Brueckner is guilty in order to confirm the abduction theory is correct and prove the parents right? Unfortunately I suspect that the hope that Madeleine is alive will have to be abandoned if he is guilty.

They may find another childs remains, find him guilty and he'll always remain the chief suspect in Madeleine's disappearance,jobs a good un,case over,you read it here first folks.When the legend becomes fact,print the legend.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 04:54:21 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 04:53:40 PM
That is a given.
In your dreams.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 04:25:11 PM
I think that article makes it clear that the cellar belonged to a house since torn down, and is not therefore likely to be an air raid shelter, imo.

Or underground as you claim
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 04:54:00 PM
They may find another childs remains, find him guilty and he'll always remain the chief suspect in Madeleine's disappearance,jobs a good un,case over,you read it here first folks.When the legend becomes fact,print the legend.

Isnt this what a group of sceptics have been doing to the McCanns for past 13 years. when kate didnt answer some of the questions put to her by the PJ it was a sign of guilt...when CB...the convicted paedophile rapist says he wont answer questions ...the same posters say its his right. CB is even entitled to the presumption of innocence...wow
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 04:54:21 PM
In your dreams.

It is so often what one doesn't say that matters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 04:56:07 PM
Or underground as you claim
What are you on about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:11:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 04:54:00 PM
They may find another childs remains, find him guilty and he'll always remain the chief suspect in Madeleine's disappearance,jobs a good un,case over,you read it here first folks.When the legend becomes fact,print the legend.
Gosh, aren’t you clever.  I think if they find a child’s remains then it makes the likelihood of him being Madeleine’s abductor even more likely, no doubt you disagree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:05:12 PM
It is so often what one doesn't say that matters.

You say it best when you say nothing at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:17:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 05:16:12 PM
You say it best when you say nothing at all.

Yes.  I do know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 05:22:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:09:11 PM
What are you on about?

You know what I am on about.....it didn't say under ground. you did

snip of what you said
just so happen to have one at his disposal, in the middle of nowhere, under his allotment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:23:17 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 05:22:23 PM
You know what I am on about.....it didn't say under ground. you did

snip of what you said
just so happen to have one at his disposal, in the middle of nowhere, under his allotment.
Do you know what a cellar is?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:27:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:23:17 PM
Do you know what a cellar is?

Aren't they all underground?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:27:10 PM
Aren't they all underground?
Erm...yes, it’s the defining characteristic of a cellar.  But not where Kizzy comes from evidently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 05:28:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 03:27:18 PM
the remark "off grid" has nothing to do with the cellar

You should read it properly as well...before jumping in. VS claimed it was underground it isnt.

There is a barrow full of concrete that looks like from a shelter ....or do you think that is evidence

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:31:10 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 05:28:42 PM
You should read it properly as well...before jumping in. VS claimed it was underground it isnt.

There is a barrow full of concrete that looks like from a shelter ....or do you think that is evidence
They are digging a great big hole where a cellar was.  The hole is in the ground.  The cellar was underground.   Jesus H.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:11:08 PM
Gosh, aren’t you clever.  I think if they find a child’s remains then it makes the likelihood of him being Madeleine’s abductor even more likely, no doubt you disagree.

If they don't does that make the likelihood of him being Madeleine's supposed abductor even remoter?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:35:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 05:33:52 PM
If they don't does that make the likelihood of him being Madeleine's supposed abductor even remoter?
No.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:39:55 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 05:33:52 PM
If they don't does that make the likelihood of him being Madeleine's supposed abductor even remoter?

Jesus wept.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:39:55 PM
Jesus wept.
It’s a bit like trying to have a discussion with a petulant child.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 29, 2020, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
It’s a bit like trying to have a discussion with a petulant child.  IMO.
... or Holly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 05:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:39:55 PM
Jesus wept.

Will going all biblical help?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 05:53:13 PM


Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
It’s a bit like trying to have a discussion with a petulant child.  IMO.

Quote from: Myster on July 29, 2020, 05:46:31 PM
... or Holly.


Hopefully it'll prevent you joining in then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 05:49:29 PM
Will going all biblical help?

I can only suppose that it depends on what you believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:57:03 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 05:53:13 PM

Hopefully it'll prevent you joining in then.

Why should it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 06:00:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 05:57:03 PM
Why should it?

Hopefully they'll ignore me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 29, 2020, 06:02:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 05:53:13 PM

Hopefully it'll prevent you joining in then.
Pointless stomping repeatedly over well-trodden 2007 ground, now there's a new bogeyman in the cellar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 06:02:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 06:00:41 PM
Hopefully they'll ignore me.

Why would anyone want to do that?  This is a Discussion Forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 06:02:48 PM
Why would anyone want to do that?  This is a Discussion Forum.

Thats a loose synopsis.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:19:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:23:17 PM
Do you know what a cellar is?

Yes and they don't have to be underground especially on allotments.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 05:31:10 PM
They are digging a great big hole where a cellar was.  The hole is in the ground.  The cellar was underground.   Jesus H.

The foundation is underground ...of the hut .they have dug it up and found nothing...

Apart from concrete ..which will probably be Ds evidence..........
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:25:42 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:19:23 PM
Yes and they don't have to be underground especially on allotments.
Can you please provide a cite for this cellar not being underground many thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:26:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:22:51 PM
The foundation is underground ...of the hut .they have dug it up and found nothing...

Apart from concrete ..which will probably be Ds evidence..........
Can you please provide a cite for “and found nothing” thanks very much.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 29, 2020, 06:27:24 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:19:23 PM
Yes and they don't have to be underground especially on allotments.
Are you totally incapable of using Google or are you just arguing for the sake of it?!!!

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=cellar (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=cellar)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:28:18 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:19:23 PM
Yes and they don't have to be underground especially on allotments.
An overground cellar on an allotment is usually known as a “shed” btw.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 29, 2020, 06:28:56 PM
They found no evidence of Madeleine in his campervan that was seen there in the summer of 2007 and now they expect to find evidence of Madeleine being there. Is that right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:30:41 PM
Kizzy, could you get onto the Sun and tell them they are all wrong?  Ta.

GERMAN cops digging at an allotment rented by Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B look drained today as the three-day mission takes its toll.

Officers were pictured wearily rubbing their faces and looking tired as they stood on the site, after it is thought they uncovered a hidden cellar underground.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12255403/madeleine-mccann-secret-cellar-built-under-allotment-cops-tired-dig/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:31:49 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 29, 2020, 06:28:56 PM
They found no evidence of Madeleine in his campervan that was seen there in the summer of 2007 and now they expect to find evidence of Madeleine being there. Is that right?
No that is not what they have said, that’s what you are saying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 29, 2020, 06:32:30 PM
How did she get there then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:30:41 PM
Kizzy, could you get onto the Sun and tell them they are all wrong?  Ta.

GERMAN cops digging at an allotment rented by Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B look drained today as the three-day mission takes its toll.

Officers were pictured wearily rubbing their faces and looking tired as they stood on the site, after it is thought they uncovered a hidden cellar underground.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12255403/madeleine-mccann-secret-cellar-built-under-allotment-cops-tired-dig/

It's not a cellar its a hole............don't believe everything you read......and they have found nothing it is over.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 29, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Martin Brunt certainly gets out and about during lockdown...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-hidden-cellar-discovered-at-former-home-of-suspect-12038714 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-hidden-cellar-discovered-at-former-home-of-suspect-12038714)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 29, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Martin Brunt certainly gets out and about during lockdown...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-hidden-cellar-discovered-at-former-home-of-suspect-12038714 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-hidden-cellar-discovered-at-former-home-of-suspect-12038714)

Quell surprise.

After three days police suddenly removed machinery and tents and took down the fence after completing the search.It's not known if they found what they were looking for.

About the same time it took for OG to find nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 29, 2020, 06:41:12 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:35:10 PM
It's not a cellar its a hole............don't believe everything you read......and they have found nothing it is over.
Better get on the blower to Herr Wolters then and advise him where he's going wrong, seeing as you know more than he does!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:41:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:35:10 PM
It's not a cellar its a hole............don't believe everything you read......and they have found nothing it is over.
I don’t believe anything I read that you’ve written, not without cites anyway, which so far you have failed to provide.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:41:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 06:40:37 PM
Quell surprise.

After three days police suddenly removed machinery and tents and took down the fence after completing the search.It's not known if they found what they were looking for.
What did you expect?  The search to go on forever?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 06:43:33 PM
Its seems the sceptics are terrified of the germans finding anything. they have taken away several bags as I understand
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:43:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 29, 2020, 06:41:12 PM
Better get on the blower to Herr Wolters then and advise him where he's going wrong, seeing as you know more than he does!

What is the point Wolters has gone on holiday for three weeks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 06:44:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:41:58 PM
What did you expect?  The search to go on forever?

The less they find the more he didn't do it,get over it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:43:50 PM
What is the point Wolters has gone on holiday for three weeks.

He's not the only one in the team ...don't worry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 29, 2020, 06:45:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 06:40:37 PM
Quell surprise.

After three days police suddenly removed machinery and tents and took down the fence after completing the search.It's not known if they found what they were looking for.
They put their findings in plastic bags for analysis in case you hadn't noticed... and why should they inform you and the world what they found at this early stage?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:45:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 06:44:22 PM
The less they find the more he didn't do it,get over it.
Seriously, grow up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 06:43:33 PM
Its seems the sceptics are terrified of the germans finding anything. they have taken away several bags as I understand
I can’t understand why they are being so childish about it, it’s kind of disturbing, the denial and the scorn.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 29, 2020, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:43:50 PM
What is the point Wolters has gone on holiday for three weeks.
Good... he's lucky to avoid you jabbering away about why you think the McCanns did it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 06:49:42 PM
if they find any item...any piece of clothing.... that can be traced to maddie iit willl be incredibly significant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:51:35 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 29, 2020, 06:32:30 PM
How did she get there then?
It seems you have a problem with the idea that she may have been abducted and transported across borders in a car, but no problem with the idea that her body was hidden and transported weeks after her death.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:52:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 06:43:33 PM
Its seems the sceptics are terrified of the germans finding anything. they have taken away several bags as I understand

Im not terrified at all .from the start IMO it isn't him.

Germany it seems are using maddie for maximum publicity.

As if they would look for a body with a JCB now come on D.or dump everything in a skip.

.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 06:53:55 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:52:13 PM
Im not terrified at all .from the start IMO it isn't him.

Germany it seems are using maddie for maximum publicity.

As if they would look for a body with a JCB now come on D.or dump everything in a skip.

.


A laughable post...why would the Germans want publicity...more and more sceptic excuses
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
Are any of them confirmed as facts?

"The witness told how police probing the young girl's disappearance flocked to search a site in Germany where Brueckner is said to have once lived.

There was a prison van at the scene, although there is no indication Brueckner had changed his mind and is now assisting police in their inquiries.

Brueckner was questioned over the murder of a sex worker in the city in 2010 but he was never charged. Monika Pawlak, 24, was killed in the early hours of New Year’s Day."

In Hanover, a senior prosecutor was also forced to state there was “no connection” between Bruckner and the murder of a prostitute in 2010. According to the Daily Mail, Bruckner was a suspect in the death of Monika Pawlak, who was found dismembered.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300030444/germans-have-evidence-madeleine-mccann-was-killed-by-new-suspect
Interesting that the prostitute’s dismembered body was found only three miles from the paedo/rapist’s allotment.  Probably just another of those coincidences.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:59:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 06:53:55 PM

A laughable post...why would the Germans want publicity...more and more sceptic excuses

Why the hell would it be a excuse .......why would I need an excuse - for what

Well seems it is CB they are after and what ever is behind it ...IMO not maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:52:13 PM
Im not terrified at all .from the start IMO it isn't him.

Germany it seems are using maddie for maximum publicity.

As if they would look for a body with a JCB now come on D.or dump everything in a skip.

.
You’ve obviously forgotten the methods used by the police in the search for Ben Needham’s body

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3813228/Ben-Needham-search-finds-decomposed-matter.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 07:00:16 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:52:13 PM
Im not terrified at all .from the start IMO it isn't him.

Germany it seems are using maddie for maximum publicity.

As if they would look for a body with a JCB now come on D.or dump everything in a skip.

.

It seems you have difficulty thinking for yourself and have copied that  straight from petermac on the cmomm forum.

He seems to know very little about policework...nothing wrong with a JCB to cover a large area.........the mans an idiot
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:02:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:59:53 PM
You’ve obviously forgotten the methods used by the police in the search for Ben Needham’s body

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3813228/Ben-Needham-search-finds-decomposed-matter.html

Daily mail ye right.....

Well, at least the Germans are digging an allotment.but at the same time could plant anything imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 06:59:16 PM
Why the hell would it be a excuse .......why would I need an excuse - for what

Well seems it is CB they are after and what ever is behind it ...IMO not maddie.

Your opinion....or petermacs is of little importance. The fact is CB is the prime suspect based on evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:05:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 07:00:16 PM
It seems you have difficulty thinking for yourself and have copied that  straight from petermac on the cmomm forum.

He seems to know very little about policework...nothing wrong with a JCB to cover a large area.........the mans an idiot

Everything to do with not believing the abduction are idiots to you....so no surprise there.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 07:06:27 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:02:43 PM
Daily mail ye right.....

Well, at least the Germans are digging an allotment.but at the same time could plant anything imo

At least they wont do a PJ and beat a confession out of him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:02:43 PM
Daily mail ye right.....

Well, at least the Germans are digging an allotment.but at the same time could plant anything imo
I suggest you watch this video if you don’t accept my cite, it’s jam packed full of video of diggers and trucks at the site of Ben’s disappearance but I’m sure you’ll find a reason to ignore or dismiss it

https://news.sky.com/video/police-say-ben-needham-died-in-accident-10621655
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 29, 2020, 07:08:27 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:02:43 PM
Daily mail ye right.....

Well, at least the Germans are digging an allotment.but at the same time could plant anything imo
Bloody Norah!  Do I see the latest conspiracy theory raising its ugly head.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 29, 2020, 07:08:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 07:06:27 PM
At least they wont do a PJ and beat a confession out of him
Even the Daily Mail wouldn't go that far.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 07:09:38 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:05:33 PM
Everything to do with not believing the abduction are idiots to you....so no surprise there.

I dont know anyone with any common sense who believes the McCanns are involved...that's my personal experience i cant change that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 29, 2020, 07:08:27 PM
Bloody Norah!  Do I see the latest conspiracy theory raising its ugly head.

I think you probably do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 07:10:56 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 29, 2020, 07:08:27 PM
Bloody Norah!  Do I see the latest conspiracy theory raising its ugly head.
How else could any link to Madeleine found there possibly be explained?  Remember, we are not dealing with rational people here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: mrswah on July 29, 2020, 07:12:41 PM
I have been following the latest developments on the news. I am not as well informed as some of you on this case, but I would love there to be a conclusion.

Over the years, I have read various reports of police digging up areas of land in the hope of finding the bodies of people who have gone missing (for example, John Cannan's mother's back garden was dug up in the hope of finding Suzy Lamplugh, and an area of land was dug up  in the hope of finding Linda Razzell. Nothing was found in either case).  Sometimes, they "win"------in the 1960's, the police found some of  what they were looking for when investigating the Moors Murders, for example, and, as a result, two people were convicted. Same in the Peter Tobin case, and I'm sure there have been others.

I don't know whether the police  in this case are hoping to find Madeleine's remains, or those of another missing child (or both), but I do feel they must  have good reasons for the action they are taking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
Your opinion....or petermacs is of little importance. The fact is CB is the prime suspect based on evidence

What are you talking about now .you hang on every word of media reports.

Oh and HW who says a lot ...yet is producing nothing - nothing at all .

Bit like the abduction ......mcs said it happened yet nothing to prove it did nothing - nothing at all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 29, 2020, 07:13:31 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:02:43 PM
Daily mail ye right.....

Well, at least the Germans are digging an allotment.but at the same time could plant anything imo


Bit late for tomatoes, perhaps some winter greens
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 29, 2020, 07:14:02 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:02:43 PM
Daily mail ye right.....

Well, at least the Germans are digging an allotment.but at the same time could plant anything imo

And the police officers seen crying in there it is all acting, right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:14:45 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 29, 2020, 07:08:27 PM
Bloody Norah!  Do I see the latest conspiracy theory raising its ugly head.

Well it is an allotment ....isn't that where you plant stuff.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:15:41 PM
Quote from: The General on July 29, 2020, 07:08:33 PM
Even the Daily Mail wouldn't go that far.

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 29, 2020, 07:17:06 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:14:45 PM
Well it is an allotment ....isn't that where you plant stuff.

IMO they have a video of Madeleine somewhere, they are looking for that place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 29, 2020, 07:14:02 PM
And the police officers seen crying in there it is all acting, right?

Didnt some soil blow in her eye....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 07:18:27 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 29, 2020, 07:17:06 PM
IMO they have a video of Madeleine somewhere, they are looking for that place.

Quite possible
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:17:55 PM
Didnt some soil blow in her eye....
I’m beginning to think you must have been there.  You seem to know a) there was no underground cellar, b) the police found nothing c) soil blew in the policewoman’s eye.  C’mon ‘fess up, you’re an undercover cop employed to make the Germans look ultra stupid, am I right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:22:00 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 29, 2020, 07:17:06 PM
IMO they have a video of Madeleine somewhere, they are looking for that place.

Well if that was the case...........it could have been anyone who made that video

It seems there were a lot of photos of maddie with make up on that seemed to have been done by an adult.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 29, 2020, 07:22:45 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 29, 2020, 07:14:02 PM
And the police officers seen crying in there it is all acting, right?
Maybe the canteen ran out of bratwurst.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:22:00 PM
Well if that was the case...........it could have been anyone who made that video

It seems there were a lot of photos of maddie with make up on that seemed to have been done by an adult.
Pathetic
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 07:24:50 PM
Quote from: The General on July 29, 2020, 07:22:45 PM
Maybe the canteen ran out of bratwurst.
Cheap.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 07:24:50 PM
Cheap.

Thats why it ran out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 07:29:07 PM
I wonder if the sceptics would be so dismissive if SY were digging up the McCanns garden....LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 29, 2020, 07:33:51 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 29, 2020, 07:17:06 PM
IMO they have a video of Madeleine somewhere, they are looking for that place.

Unless they can link this hypothetical video to Brueckner, it's not going to help their case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2020, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 29, 2020, 07:33:51 PM
Unless they can link this hypothetical video to Brueckner, it's not going to help their case.

Who would have identified Madeleine on this hypothetical video,it can't be OG, they still consider it a missing persons case, the same with the McCanns. so who?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 29, 2020, 07:56:52 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 07:52:10 PM
Who would have identified Madeleine on this hypothetical video,it can't be OG, they still consider it a missing persons case, the same with the McCanns. so who?

I would have said photographic recognition, but no two photos of her ever look the same.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 07:58:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 29, 2020, 07:56:52 PM
I would have said photographic recognition, but no two photos of her ever look the same.

thats how it is with kids
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 08:04:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 07:29:07 PM
I wonder if the sceptics would be so dismissive if SY were digging up the McCanns garden....LOL
Imagine if it turned out the McCanns had a child that dies in mysterious circumstances years earlier.  Imagine if it turned out Gerry had a conviction for rape, paedophilia, fraud and burglary.  Imagine that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2020, 07:52:10 PM
Who would have identified Madeleine on this hypothetical video,it can't be OG, they still consider it a missing persons case, the same with the McCanns. so who?
Why would that preclude them from ID’ing Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
Didn't they say they were going to search Bruckner's properties back in June? That together with the fact they uncovered the 'cellar' in the early afternoon and packed up at 6pm indicates IMO this was not based on any specific intelligence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 29, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Martin Brunt certainly gets out and about during lockdown...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-hidden-cellar-discovered-at-former-home-of-suspect-12038714 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-hidden-cellar-discovered-at-former-home-of-suspect-12038714)

According to Brunt the hole was 15m across and 3 or 4 feet deep. It doesn't sound like a cellar, it's too shallow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 09:18:03 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
Didn't they say they were going to search Bruckner's properties back in June? That together with the fact they uncovered the 'cellar' in the early afternoon and packed up at 6pm indicates IMO this was not based on any specific intelligence.

speculation based on sweet fanny adams basically....but if it makes you feel better
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 09:18:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
According to Brunt the hole was 15m across and 3 or 4 feet deep. It doesn't sound like a cellar, it's too shallow.

so back to the media being trustworthy...flip flop
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 09:22:15 PM
what i would say to the sceptics here is...it doesnt look as though the parents are being investigated ...does it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 09:18:03 PM
speculation based on sweet fanny adams basically....but if it makes you feel better

It's not actually. The prosecutor said they would search his properties last month. Believing this search is based on specific intelligence, now that would be speculation as the police haven't said anything about that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 09:22:32 PM
It's not actually. The prosecutor said they would search his properties last month. Believing this search is based on specific intelligence, now that would be speculation as the police haven't said anything about that.

So you think of all the places hes lived they've chosen this one at random...perhaps they have just put places in  a hat and drew one out...who knows
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 09:27:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 09:25:18 PM
So you think of all the places hes lived they've chosen this one at random...perhaps they have just put places in  a hat and drew one out...who knows

How did you get there? They've searched his other house and grounds in 2016.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
According to Brunt the hole was 15m across and 3 or 4 feet deep. It doesn't sound like a cellar, it's too shallow.
Odd to quote in metres and feet.  Do you have a cite?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 09:31:41 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 09:27:42 PM
How did you get there? They've searched his other house and grounds in 2016.

I'm happy to admit i've no idea....I don't expect the germans to keep me in the loop....what do you think is in all those blue bags they have taken away..just taking all their rubbish away with them or perhaps something they wish to check thoroughly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
According to Brunt the hole was 15m across and 3 or 4 feet deep. It doesn't sound like a cellar, it's too shallow.

is this according to grime....cite please
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 09:35:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 09:31:41 PM
I'm happy to admit i've no idea....I don't expect the germans to keep me in the loop....what do you think is in all those blue bags they have taken away..just taking all their rubbish away with them or perhaps something they wish to check thoroughly.

I think the search is not based on specific information. I've made no comments about what's in the bags. You don't decide what's in the bags before you've analysed them, there would be no point in a search, so again you're making a leap implying I think it's 'rubbish' or that the search is pointless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 09:35:09 PM
I think the search is not based on specific information. I've made no comments about what's in the bags. You don't decide what's in the bags before you've analysed them, there would be no point in a search, so again you're making a leap implying I think it's 'rubbish' or that the search is pointless.

I havent implied its either....there may be obvious signs as to whats in the bags. you say you dont think the search is based on specific information....i think thats a ridiculous inference. i dont see any police force undertaking a search with a large amount of staff based on NOTHING...its quite  a bizarre suggestion Imo...but I think par for the course
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 09:40:42 PM
what is patently obvious the police are investigationg CB...not the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
I havent implied its either....there may be obvious signs as to whats in the bags. you say you dont think the search is based on specific information....i think thats a ridiculous inference. i dont see any police force undertaking a search with a large amount of staff based on NOTHING...its quite  a bizarre suggestion Imo...but I think par for the course

Again. I didn't say based on 'nothing'. I said no specific intelligence. That's your interpretation. If they think there's a chance Bruckner was involved they will search his properties, that's what an investigation generally does.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2020, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 09:46:53 PM
Again. I didn't say based on 'nothing'. I said no specific intelligence. That's your interpretation. If they think there's a chance Bruckner was involved they will search his properties, that's what an investigation generally does.

Why this one...why not all of them...Your opinion is still speculation...have they searched any of his portugal residences
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 09:31:14 PM
Odd to quote in metres and feet.  Do you have a cite?

I was commenting on Myster's video link which shows Brunt saying it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 29, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 09:49:28 PM
Why this one...why not all of them...Your opinion is still speculation...have they searched any of his portugal residences

They're not going to do them all at once are they? German police also are going to prioritise German sites as they can't just turn up in Portugal and start digging.  Wolters said back in June ;

'“At the moment, we also don’t have enough proof for a trial at court, but we have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed. That’s why we need more information from people, especially places he has lived, so we can target these places especially and search there for Madeleine.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-say-german-authorities (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead-say-german-authorities)

That doesn't support thinking someone gave them specific info about something to be found on that specific site. I'll wait until they say they found something significant before drawing that conclusion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2020, 10:00:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2020, 09:53:33 PM
I was commenting on Myster's video link which shows Brunt saying it.
The Sky report entitled “Hidden Cellar Discovered”?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2020, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 29, 2020, 07:02:43 PM
Daily mail ye right.....

Well, at least the Germans are digging an allotment.but at the same time could plant anything imo

Oh God, you don't really mean that do you?  The Germans are planting evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 30, 2020, 01:22:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 29, 2020, 09:40:42 PM
what is patently obvious the police are investigationg CB...not the McCanns

It is patently clear that they don't yet know what they are searching for. Do they think they will find a teenage Madeleine in a cellar?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 02:25:22 AM
Quote from: John on July 30, 2020, 01:22:01 AM
It is patently clear that they don't yet know what they are searching for. Do they think they will find a teenage Madeleine in a cellar?

How on earth could you even think that.  This thought is beyond me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 07:18:10 AM
Quote from: John on July 30, 2020, 01:22:01 AM
It is patently clear that they don't yet know what they are searching for. Do they think they will find a teenage Madeleine in a cellar?
Why is it patently clear?  Haven’t they made it patently clear they think Madeleine is dead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 30, 2020, 07:52:11 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 07:18:10 AM
Why is it patently clear?  Haven’t they made it patently clear they think Madeleine is dead?
Couldn't be clearer than this... https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=530 (https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=530)

John must think they're looking for a ghost.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 30, 2020, 08:01:50 AM
Bound to start asking the suspect soon,why can't we link you to Madeleine's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 08:03:38 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 30, 2020, 07:52:11 AM
Couldn't be clearer than this... https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=530 (https://youtu.be/IXsXXxRek2Q?t=530)

John must think they're looking for a ghost.
Sometimes the lack of logical thinking on here (especially by professional people like John) leaves me bewildered and a little depressed tbh.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 08:10:45 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 30, 2020, 08:01:50 AM
Bound to start asking the suspect soon,why can't we link you to Madeleine's disappearance.
What a nonsensical comment.  IMO. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 30, 2020, 08:24:56 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2020, 06:45:25 PM
Seriously, grow up.

Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 08:10:45 AM
What a nonsensical comment.  IMO. 

Gotta persona to keep,glad its on track.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 08:26:35 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 30, 2020, 08:24:56 AM
Gotta persona to keep,glad its on track.
If you’ve got to adopt a persona why choose such a stupid one?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 30, 2020, 08:37:46 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 08:26:35 AM
If you’ve got to adopt a persona why choose such a stupid one?

I didn't adopt it,you named it.Gotta go,suns out lots to do,and if spared still lots of time to do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 08:41:18 AM
Time to stop.   Back to the topic please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 08:54:33 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 08:03:38 AM
Sometimes the lack of logical thinking on here (especially by professional people like John) leaves me bewildered and a little depressed tbh.

One of the components of logical thinking is verifying the information you use;

"Check your sources of information and investigate every piece of information that you find even slightly questionable. You must check everything for their authenticity before you begin to evaluate the worth of any such information you have gathered."
https://www.cleverism.com/skills-and-tools/logical-thinking/

Doing that is seen as nit-picking by some. Failing to do it, of course, means that you may be relying on false or misread information,  or even on your own unreliable memory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 09:08:27 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 08:54:33 AM
One of the components of logical thinking is verifying the information you use;

"Check your sources of information and investigate every piece of information that you find even slightly questionable. You must check everything for their authenticity before you begin to evaluate the worth of any such information you have gathered."
https://www.cleverism.com/skills-and-tools/logical-thinking/

Doing that is seen as nit-picking by some. Failing to do it, of course, means that you may be relying on false or misread information,  or even on your own unreliable memory.

I totally agree
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 09:08:33 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 08:54:33 AM
One of the components of logical thinking is verifying the information you use;

"Check your sources of information and investigate every piece of information that you find even slightly questionable. You must check everything for their authenticity before you begin to evaluate the worth of any such information you have gathered."
https://www.cleverism.com/skills-and-tools/logical-thinking/

Doing that is seen as nit-picking by some. Failing to do it, of course, means that you may be relying on false or misread information,  or even on your own unreliable memory.
John asks the question are the police hoping to find a teenage Madeleine in the cellar, when previously they have made it patently clear they think she is dead.  Now apply your cleverism rules to that logic and explain how John is demonstrating logical thought through asking this question.  Many thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 09:13:21 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 09:08:33 AM
John asks the question are the police hoping to find a teenage Madeleine in the cellar, when previously they have made it patently clear they think she is dead.  Now apply your cleverism rules to that logic and explain how John is demonstrating logical thought through asking this question.  Many thanks.

Let him/her who is without sin etc.......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 09:08:33 AM
John asks the question are the police hoping to find a teenage Madeleine in the cellar, when previously they have made it patently clear they think she is dead.  Now apply your cleverism rules to that logic and explain how John is demonstrating logical thought through asking this question.  Many thanks.

It seems to me the Germans are carrying out a thorough, professional investigation. Even if the only found a button from Maddie's clothes it would be highly significant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 09:47:56 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 30, 2020, 09:25:06 AM
It seems to me the Germans are carrying out a thorough, professional investigation. Even if the only found a button from Maddie's clothes it would be highly significant.

There's only one very small button connected to Madeleine - the one on the back of the neck on her pyjamas;




Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 09:08:33 AM
John asks the question are the police hoping to find a teenage Madeleine in the cellar, when previously they have made it patently clear they think she is dead.  Now apply your cleverism rules to that logic and explain how John is demonstrating logical thought through asking this question.  Many thanks.
Some of us have been hoping that Madeleine was spared and somehow escaped death and is alive somewhere.  Maybe there is a clue in the cellar to where the living Madeleine is today.

I just think the police are confused as to who is Madeleine McCann.  Just about every documentary IMO has photos of Madeleine and another girl who isn't Madeleine, but we are told by association it was Madeleine.

I'm not convinced this photo is of Madeleine McCann.  (https://i.imgur.com/fYS9tMd.png?2)

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 10:00:41 AM
The true Madeleine McCann
(https://i.imgur.com/BjlSZZC.png?1)


I hope you can spot the differences.

Smile lines, puffiness below eyes more marked in MM.
Coloboma slightly different position.
Proportion of face slightly different.  Real MM sqatter face.
Is the crown on different sides of the head  (fringe running to opposite sides).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 09:47:56 AM
There's only one very small button connected to Madeleine - the one on the back of the neck on her pyjamas;

I'm using it figuratively....if they can find anything...the tiniest thing ....to link this site to Maddie that would be very..very...important
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 09:47:56 AM
There's only one very small button connected to Madeleine - the one on the back of the neck on her pyjamas;
They were mass produced pyjamas weren't they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 30, 2020, 11:58:35 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 09:49:36 AM
Some of us have been hoping that Madeleine was spared and somehow escaped death and is alive somewhere.  Maybe there is a clue in the cellar to where the living Madeleine is today.

I just think the police are confused as to who is Madeleine McCann.  Just about every documentary IMO has photos of Madeleine and another girl who isn't Madeleine, but we are told by association it was Madeleine.

I'm not convinced this photo is of Madeleine McCann. 
Rob, she's wearing an Everton kit. Are you suggesting someone found an identical looking girl, of the same age and dressed her in a contemporaneous Everton top and took an out of focus snapshot, then promulgated it to the world?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 30, 2020, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 09:13:21 AM
Let him/her who is without sin etc.......
Has religion superseded patriotism as the last refuge of scoundrels?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 30, 2020, 12:19:38 PM
Site done and dusted... German Efficiency Rules, OK!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8575193/German-police-refuse-reveal-Madeleine-McCann-search.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8575193/German-police-refuse-reveal-Madeleine-McCann-search.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 30, 2020, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 30, 2020, 12:16:00 PM
Has religion superseded patriotism as the last refuge of scoundrels?
Excellent question.
Well if we take the example of Cain and Abel, Genesis 4:1–18, it could be argued that religion is predicted on the first 'refuge of scoundrels'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 30, 2020, 12:29:34 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 09:49:36 AM

I'm not convinced this photo is of Madeleine McCann.

(https://i.imgur.com/fYS9tMd.png?2)

Why is it Rob that you see things in photos which no-one else does?   Has the Specsaver franchise not reached Kiwiland yet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: The General on July 30, 2020, 11:58:35 AM
Rob, she's wearing an Everton kit. Are you suggesting someone found an identical looking girl, of the same age and dressed her in a contemporaneous Everton top and took an out of focus snapshot, then promulgated it to the world?
You must be looking at the wrong photo.  There are two pictures both who we have been told are Madeleine McCann but only one is wearing an Everton shirt.   The one with the shirt is MM, and the other one (picture above the mm photo) is someone else.

It is only out of focus because it was taken from a video.  But yes this video has been  promulgated to the world.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 30, 2020, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 12:33:58 PM
You must be looking at the wrong photo.  There are two pictures both who we have been told are Madeleine McCann but only one is wearing an Everton shirt.   The one with the shirt is MM, and the other one (picture above the mm photo) is someone else.

It is only out of focus because it was taken from a video.  But yes this video has been  promulgated to the world.
If you were to conduct a straw poll using any medium or data set, either virtual or physical, anywhere in the developed world, I would suggest that you would be in a minority of two, the other one being a blind cat called Barry who was only included by mistake because his deranged owner registered him as a human being on the electoral role.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 12:39:37 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 30, 2020, 12:29:34 PM
Why is it Rob that you see things in photos which no-one else does?   Has the Specsaver franchise not reached Kiwiland yet?
Even our rugby referees are supported by SpecSavers.   I wouldn't be surprised if they originated in NZ.
Do you not agree they are different individuals.   OK I admit they are quite similar but they are IMO not the same.
What makes you think they are the same?  Who has got a facial recognition app. that can determine this point?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: The General on July 30, 2020, 12:38:54 PM
If you were to conduct a straw poll using any medium or data set, either virtual or physical, anywhere in the developed world, I would suggest that you would be in a minority of two, the other one being a blind cat called Barry who was only included by mistake because his deranged owner registered him as a human being on the electoral role.
That is the nature of politics.  For me it has to be a science based resolution.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 30, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Unreliable dogs have spoken,wonder if they were cued.Caveat its the Sun.

It'll be interesting to see the response should no remains be found,would it indicate there once were remains or are the dogs mistaken.

SNIFFER dogs being used to search an allotment connected to the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case are said to have 'barked a lot' when a hidden cellar was uncovered by cops.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12265087/madeleine-mccann-sniffing-dogs-christian-bs-secret-cellar/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 30, 2020, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 12:39:37 PM
Even our rugby referees are supported by SpecSavers.   I wouldn't be surprised if they originated in NZ.
Do you not agree they are different individuals.   OK I admit they are quite similar but they are IMO not the same.
What makes you think they are the same?  Who has got a facial recognition app. that can determine this point?

Can't believe this hasn't already been done by some enterprising journalist eager to win 'journalist of the year' for exposing McCanns as fraudsters.  Hasn't happened so far.

That said, I think the Donegal pictures show what Madeleine really looked like just a month or so earlier - a rather ordinary girl with mousy coloured hair
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 12:48:59 PM
Quote from: The General on July 30, 2020, 12:46:09 PM
Were the dogs crying too?
Makes you think, doesn't it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 12:50:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 30, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Unreliable dogs have spoken,wonder if they were cued.Caveat its the Sun.

It'll be interesting to see the response should no remains be found,would it indicate there once were remains or are the dogs mistaken.

SNIFFER dogs being used to search an allotment connected to the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case are said to have 'barked a lot' when a hidden cellar was uncovered by cops.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12265087/madeleine-mccann-sniffing-dogs-christian-bs-secret-cellar/

So if the dogs barked does that confirm the presence of human remains
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 30, 2020, 12:47:42 PM
Can't believe this hasn't already been done by some enterprising journalist eager to win 'journalist of the year' for exposing McCanns as fraudsters.  Hasn't happened so far.

That said, I think the Donegal pictures show what Madeleine really looked like just a month or so earlier - a rather ordinary girl with mousy coloured hair

It is tricky determining what is the point of going along with the error.  The original video was released to Sky News the next morning while the McCanns were in Portugal.   Did the right video get released?  I don't think the McCanns could be blamed for the error (if it is an error).  But why go along with it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 30, 2020, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 30, 2020, 12:50:44 PM
So if the dogs barked does that confirm the presence of human remains
If a dog barks in an partially excavated allotment and there's nobody there to hear it, does it still make a sound?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 12:59:37 PM
Quote from: The General on July 30, 2020, 12:58:05 PM
If a dog barks in an partially excavated allotment and there's nobody there to hear it, does it still make a sound?
I didn't hear it.  Did you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 30, 2020, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 30, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Unreliable dogs have spoken,wonder if they were cued.Caveat its the Sun.

It'll be interesting to see the response should no remains be found,would it indicate there once were remains or are the dogs mistaken.

SNIFFER dogs being used to search an allotment connected to the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case are said to have 'barked a lot' when a hidden cellar was uncovered by cops.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12265087/madeleine-mccann-sniffing-dogs-christian-bs-secret-cellar/

I read somewhere that dogs trained to find electronic or computer related items had been deployed.  So unless you know which dog or dogs may have alerted it is impossible to determine what has caused the alert and what has been taken away for further analysis.

We'll just have to content ourselves until the definitive LEVY dog video releases on Youtube.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 01:19:58 PM
Quote from: The General on July 30, 2020, 12:58:05 PM
If a dog barks in an partially excavated allotment and there's nobody there to hear it, does it still make a sound?

It could be the sound of one hand clapping
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 30, 2020, 01:20:27 PM
Judging by the picture in the Mail of blue sacks being taken away. they looked to be filled with the general detritus of  of life, certainly not carefully packed samples for forensics, though no doubt these will be all sifted through.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 30, 2020, 02:01:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 30, 2020, 12:50:44 PM
So if the dogs barked does that confirm the presence of human remains

Or past presence,bit of a conundrum for some I'd venture.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 02:31:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 30, 2020, 02:01:13 PM
Or past presence,bit of a conundrum for some I'd venture.

Certainly not for me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 02:49:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 08:54:33 AM
One of the components of logical thinking is verifying the information you use;

"Check your sources of information and investigate every piece of information that you find even slightly questionable. You must check everything for their authenticity before you begin to evaluate the worth of any such information you have gathered."
https://www.cleverism.com/skills-and-tools/logical-thinking/

Doing that is seen as nit-picking by some. Failing to do it, of course, means that you may be relying on false or misread information,  or even on your own unreliable memory.

After Thirteen Years?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 30, 2020, 02:50:08 PM
The dogs seem to be Malinois. Not sure what they're trained to detect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 09:13:21 AM
Let him/her who is without sin etc.......

Oh, for God's sake.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 30, 2020, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 30, 2020, 02:50:08 PM
The dogs seem to be Malinois. Not sure what they're trained to detect.
Malinois are attack dogs and probably the best breed for the job.
Cartels use them and tip their teeth with tungsten or steel (the dogs, not their own  - although they might also do it)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Carana on July 30, 2020, 02:50:08 PM
The dogs seem to be Malinois. Not sure what they're trained to detect.
 
Any Dog can find a Corpse if there is one. Rotten Little Swine certainly could.  Although I do have to say that he has not yet been called upon to do so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 30, 2020, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 30, 2020, 01:20:27 PM
Judging by the picture in the Mail of blue sacks being taken away. they looked to be filled with the general detritus of  of life, certainly not carefully packed samples for forensics, though no doubt these will be all sifted through.

They could have been looking for USB memory sticks or similar, same as he had buried on his land that was searched in 2016.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 30, 2020, 04:13:13 PM
Quote from: The General on July 30, 2020, 03:00:35 PM
Malinois are attack dogs and probably the best breed for the job.
Cartels use them and tip their teeth with tungsten or steel (the dogs, not their own  - although they might also do it)

They are definitely used as sniffer dogs too, they respond very well to training generally.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 30, 2020, 04:13:13 PM
They are definitely used as sniffer dogs too, they respond very well to training generally.

But seems all the hype all the headlines news announcements there was nothing to find.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 30, 2020, 04:25:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 04:24:41 PM
But seems all the hype all the headlines news announcements there was nothing to find.

Well it should take a few days to analyse, if not weeks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 30, 2020, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 30, 2020, 01:20:27 PM
Judging by the picture in the Mail of blue sacks being taken away. they looked to be filled with the general detritus of  of life, certainly not carefully packed samples for forensics, though no doubt these will be all sifted through.

The guys and gals in the white suits and face masks have been ... did whatever it was they do ... and have gone, no doubt carrying off anything of interest to them to a lab for analysis.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 30, 2020, 04:43:50 PM
The guys and gals in the white suits and face masks have been ... did whatever it was they do ... and have gone, no doubt carrying off anything of interest to them to a lab for analysis.

Were there any in white suits....

well never mind there's another one for them now it seems...keep it all going another week or so.

 
MADDIE HUNT Madeleine McCann cops may swoop on 2nd allotment owned by Christian B as neighbours say it’s hiding ANOTHER cellar
 
By Ben Leo in Braunschweig, Germany Nick Pisa
30 Jul 2020, 13:37Updated: 30 Jul 2020, 14:06
 
POLICE in Germany could swoop on a second allotment plot rented by twisted Christian B after the new owner admitted: “I’m worried I’m sleeping over a dead body.”
The child sex fiend, 43, the prime suspect in the search for Madeleine McCann, lived at the isolated garden house for three years after quitting the kiosk he ran.
13
The alleged killer lived at the isolated garden house in Braunsweig between 2013 and 2016.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 04:24:41 PM
But seems all the hype all the headlines news announcements there was nothing to find.

You are beleiving too much of the rubbish from petermac on cmomm......it may take some time to analyse the bags that were removed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 30, 2020, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 30, 2020, 04:06:21 PM
They could have been looking for USB memory sticks or similar, same as he had buried on his land that was searched in 2016.
I think the blue bags contained stuff like polystyrene cups etc. that officials used during the 3-day search.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 30, 2020, 05:36:28 PM
You are beleiving too much of the rubbish from petermac on cmomm......it may take some time to analyse the bags that were removed.

Oh God, is Peter Mac still there?  I can't be bothered to look.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 09:13:21 AM
Let him/her who is without sin etc.......
I don’t know what you’re implying but if you have a problem with my logic then please feel free to spell it out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 05:43:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 30, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Unreliable dogs have spoken,wonder if they were cued.Caveat its the Sun.

It'll be interesting to see the response should no remains be found,would it indicate there once were remains or are the dogs mistaken.

SNIFFER dogs being used to search an allotment connected to the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case are said to have 'barked a lot' when a hidden cellar was uncovered by cops.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12265087/madeleine-mccann-sniffing-dogs-christian-bs-secret-cellar/
If a cadaver dog alerted to the cellar what would you think? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 30, 2020, 05:44:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
Oh God, is Peter Mac still there?  I can't be bothered to look.

Probably thinks the same of here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 05:45:58 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 04:24:41 PM
But seems all the hype all the headlines news announcements there was nothing to find.
Can I ask how you know this, do the German police report directly to you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 05:50:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 05:41:55 PM
I don’t know what you’re implying but if you have a problem with my logic then please feel free to spell it out.

I think you might have missed the point.  God said whatever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 05:53:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 05:50:00 PM
I think you might have missed the point.  God said whatever.
You mean G-Unit wasn’t criticising me??!  I find that hard to believe!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 05:53:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 30, 2020, 05:44:46 PM
Probably thinks the same of here.

petermac....the man who proved the shutters could be opened from the outside...what a star
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 05:53:05 PM
You mean G-Unit wasn’t criticising me??!  I find that hard to believe!

 Oh, silly me.  I thought that Gunit was criticising Me.  But if you want to take it on then that's fine by me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 06:08:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 30, 2020, 05:53:35 PM
petermac....the man who proved the shutters could be opened from the outside...what a star

Yar.  That was a good one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 30, 2020, 05:36:28 PM
You are beleiving too much of the rubbish from petermac on cmomm......it may take some time to analyse the bags that were removed.

What are you talking about its from the sun .............otherwise prove me wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 30, 2020, 05:53:35 PM
petermac....the man who proved the shutters could be opened from the outside...what a star

No what he did show was they wouldn't stay up when opened......you seem to be a fan anyway
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 30, 2020, 06:21:49 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 06:11:14 PM
No what he did show was they wouldn't stay up when opened......you seem to be a fan anyway

He showed it was possible to raise the shutter from outside ... after that it is easy to slide the window open if it is unlocked ... reach inside for the shutter mechanism and using it to complete the job of raising the shutter fully and leaving it fixed in place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2020, 06:25:43 PM

It's a shame he didn't reconstruct climbing out of the window whilst carrying a 4 year old, that would have been funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 06:36:52 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2020, 06:25:43 PM
It's a shame he didn't reconstruct climbing out of the window whilst carrying a 4 year old, that would have been funny.
Yes.  Man can land on the moon, but ask him to attempt to abduct a child via an open ground floor window and, well, basically you’re asking for the impossible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 06:38:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 05:41:55 PM
I don’t know what you’re implying but if you have a problem with my logic then please feel free to spell it out.

As you very rarely provide any evidence it's very difficult to assess your logical thinking imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 06:39:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 06:38:09 PM
As you very rarely provide any evidence it's very difficult to assess your logical thinking imo.
What an entirely illogical statement from you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2020, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 06:36:52 PM
Yes.  Man can land on the moon, but ask him to attempt to abduct a child via an open ground floor window and, well, basically you’re asking for the impossible.

I never said impossible, no,  but somewhat awkward to do without waking the child. And even more awkward with a struggling child.

Why has no one ever reconstructed it?

Even Crimewatch gave it a wide berth.

Can't imagine why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 06:47:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 06:39:43 PM
What an entirely illogical statement from you.

So you think logically because you say so? That's me told then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 06:49:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2020, 06:42:27 PM
I never said impossible, no,  but somewhat awkward to do without waking the child. And even more awkward with a struggling child.

Why has no one ever reconstructed it?

Even Crimewatch gave it a wide berth.

Can't imagine why.
why don’t you give it a go?  I’m sure you must have a nephew or niece or a friend with a child who would be only only too happy for you to try and abduct them asleep from their bedroom.  Be sure to video yourself doing it,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 06:51:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 06:47:19 PM
So you think logically because you say so? That's me told then.
I don’t think I actually said that.  Let’s look at this logically.  John asked if the police were hoping to find a teenage Madeleine in a German cellar.  The evidence strongly suggests that the German police believe Madeleine is dead, therefore IMO it is illogical to assume that the police are hoping to find a teenage Madeleine in a German cellar.  Now tell me where I’m going wrong.  Over to you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on July 30, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
 
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2020, 06:42:27 PM
I never said impossible, no,  but somewhat awkward to do without waking the child. And even more awkward with a struggling child.

Why has no one ever reconstructed it?

Even Crimewatch gave it a wide berth.

Can't imagine why.
It was demonstrated  in a video to Goncalo Amaral by the guy with the huge mustache,   forgotten his name just  now as being impossible to get up onto  that bed  balance  with a child in his arms and  get out of the window .  .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 06:52:32 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 06:11:14 PM
No what he did show was they wouldn't stay up when opened......you seem to be a fan anyway

Once raised simply reach inside and take up the slack on the chain..the shutters will then stay up....see....I know more than petermac
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2020, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 06:49:20 PM
why don’t you give it a go?  I’m sure you must have a nephew or niece or a friend with a child who would be only only too happy for you to try and abduct them asleep from their bedroom.  Be sure to video yourself doing it,

Because I've no need to show how it can be done.

But if you want you can rent 5a for me for a day or two, plus pay my air fare & all expenses, I'll happily have a few days in PDL demonstrating how amusingly awkward the abduction from bed via window scenario is.

Just post your debit card details when you're ready, thanks.

 *&(+(+
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on July 30, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
It was demonstrated  in a video to Goncalo Amaral by the guy with the huge mustache,   forgotten his name just  now as being impossible to get up onto  that bed  balance  with a child in his arms and  get out of the window .  .
Is that the same Amaral who said it would be impossible to gain access to a locked apartment?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 06:58:15 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 30, 2020, 06:21:49 PM
He showed it was possible to raise the shutter from outside ... after that it is easy to slide the window open if it is unlocked ... reach inside for the shutter mechanism and using it to complete the job of raising the shutter fully and leaving it fixed in place.

Was he.....is that what you think




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3R4p2hRXvY



Ex police officer Peter Mac in Praia da Luz, McCann's apartment 5a showing just how noisy those shutters are.
How would anyone climb out of them with a child? Or risk if you knew the area/windows enough to know just how noisy they were?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 06:58:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2020, 06:47:19 PM
So you think logically because you say so? That's me told then.

you posted...

"Check your sources of information and investigate every piece of information that you find even slightly questionable. You must check everything for their authenticity before you begin to evaluate the worth of any such information you have gathered."

you fail to do that imo



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2020, 06:55:36 PM
Because I've no need to show how it can be done.

But if you want you can rent 5a for me for a day or two, plus pay my air fare & all expenses, I'll happily have a few days in PDL demonstrating how amusingly awkward the abduction from bed via window scenario is.

Just post your debit card details when you're ready, thanks.

 *&(+(+
4929378248813670 expiry 02/22 last three digits 728
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2020, 07:00:55 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 30, 2020, 06:58:15 PM
Was he.....is that what you think




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3R4p2hRXvY



Ex police officer Peter Mac in Praia da Luz, McCann's apartment 5a showing just how noisy those shutters are.
How would anyone climb out of them with a child? Or risk if you knew the area/windows enough to know just how noisy they were?


no one climbed out of them with  a child  imo...and pmac deliberately caused noise when raising them...at least he proved the could be opened from the outside...as i recall ...amarlal said they couldnt...another thing he got wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 07:05:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 30, 2020, 06:58:26 PM
you posted...

"Check your sources of information and investigate every piece of information that you find even slightly questionable. You must check everything for their authenticity before you begin to evaluate the worth of any such information you have gathered."

you fail to do that imo
Yes, IMO G-Unit fails horribly in this particular area when attempting to think logically

“Adjust your perspective first. Understand the biases you may have as a human being by determining what exactly they are how they may affect the way you deal with information. Be flexible enough to look at a problem from different perspectives even if they contradict your long-held beliefs. Accept with an open mind and entertain any new information, without any personal biases that you may have”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2020, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2020, 06:59:59 PM
4929378248813670 expiry 02/22 last three digits 728

Thanks.

Which bank is that with?

I also need account holders name & address.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 30, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on July 30, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
It was demonstrated  in a video to Goncalo Amaral by the guy with the huge mustache,   forgotten his name just  now as being impossible to get up onto  that bed  balance  with a child in his arms and  get out of the window .  .
A tash that would tickle any woman's fancy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZdDTsFC2g&feature=youtu.be&t=2663 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZdDTsFC2g&feature=youtu.be&t=2663)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2020, 08:10:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2020, 07:08:51 PM
Thanks.

Which bank is that with?

I also need account holders name & address.
Barclays Mr A. R. Jones.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2020, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 30, 2020, 03:04:59 PM
 
Any Dog can find a Corpse if there is one. Rotten Little Swine certainly could.  Although I do have to say that he has not yet been called upon to do so.
If I was your dog I would run away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on July 31, 2020, 12:24:14 AM
To be honest, I have a feeling Madeleine is still alive.
IMO this guy might have been involved but not in the way the police is going about it.
Am I the only person thinking this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 31, 2020, 02:30:10 AM
 8(*(
Quote from: VIXTE on July 31, 2020, 12:24:14 AM
To be honest, I have a feeling Madeleine is still alive.
IMO this guy might have been involved but not in the way the police is going about it.
Am I the only person thinking this?

I agree.  Will post tomorrow maybe.

PS Did you get my reply to your pm a couple or three weeks ago?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 31, 2020, 07:09:05 AM
The phantom hole-digger strikes again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLBMSgWjPw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLBMSgWjPw)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 31, 2020, 07:09:05 AM
The phantom hole-digger strikes again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLBMSgWjPw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLBMSgWjPw)

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 09:00:19 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on July 31, 2020, 12:24:14 AM
To be honest, I have a feeling Madeleine is still alive.
IMO this guy might have been involved but not in the way the police is going about it.
Am I the only person thinking this?

No, but for different reasons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on July 31, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 30, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
A tash that would tickle any woman's fancy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZdDTsFC2g&feature=youtu.be&t=2663 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZdDTsFC2g&feature=youtu.be&t=2663)

LOL

We have a thread on that episode somewhere. I'm still not sure if the door was supposed to be dead-locked in that demonstration or not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 31, 2020, 07:09:05 AM
The phantom hole-digger strikes again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLBMSgWjPw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLBMSgWjPw)

This is getting pretty confusing. So he lived at this one in 2007, but also at the one that's been searched in 2007....and 2013?  He tried to dig cellars in both, apparently but some reports say the cellar was already there in the second one, so he could have just been rennovating it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 31, 2020, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
This is getting pretty confusing. So he lived at this one in 2007, but also at the one that's been searched in 2007....and 2013?  He tried to dig cellars in both, apparently but some reports say the cellar was already there in the second one, so he could have just been rennovating it?
There's every chance, if you've already got a camper van, then he's looking for somewhere to pitch up and stay, trying to live off grid. But pretty sure the rules would be no over-nighting on an allotment - but who's checking?
I've done a bit of travelling around Europe in a camper - Germany are pretty strict on where and when you can stop. It's not like France, for example, where you can nip off in to the hills and set up camp if you want.

He's got a forever home now though, which is the best for everyone as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: The General on July 31, 2020, 11:07:24 AM
There's every chance, if you've already got a camper van, then he's looking for somewhere to pitch up and stay, trying to live off grid. But pretty sure the rules would be no over-nighting on an allotment - but who's checking?
I've done a bit of travelling around Europe in a camper - Germany are pretty strict on where and when you can stop. It's not like France, for example, where you can nip off in to the hills and set up camp if you want.

He's got a forever home now though, which is the best for everyone as far as I'm concerned.

He will only have a 'forever home' if the evidence which ensures it is there and can be found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 31, 2020, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: The General on July 31, 2020, 11:07:24 AM
There's every chance, if you've already got a camper van, then he's looking for somewhere to pitch up and stay, trying to live off grid. But pretty sure the rules would be no over-nighting on an allotment - but who's checking?
I've done a bit of travelling around Europe in a camper - Germany are pretty strict on where and when you can stop. It's not like France, for example, where you can nip off in to the hills and set up camp if you want.

He's got a forever home now though, which is the best for everyone as far as I'm concerned.

Unless he can be convicted of something else, he'll be out by the time he's 50, possibly earlier.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 11:17:21 AM
Quote from: The General on July 31, 2020, 11:07:24 AM
There's every chance, if you've already got a camper van, then he's looking for somewhere to pitch up and stay, trying to live off grid. But pretty sure the rules would be no over-nighting on an allotment - but who's checking?
I've done a bit of travelling around Europe in a camper - Germany are pretty strict on where and when you can stop. It's not like France, for example, where you can nip off in to the hills and set up camp if you want.

He's got a forever home now though, which is the best for everyone as far as I'm concerned.

I doubt he was one for obeying 'no overnight' rules on these allotments that's for sure! I found this....seems one neighbour thought he was just rennovating what was there and clearing stuff out so he could use the space. If you live in a camper storage space would be invaluable.

''A neighbour who lives opposite the excavated allotment and did not want to be named said he had been inside the shed near Hannover but had only seen corrugated iron sheets.

"He lived here in 2007. Everyone knew about the basement, it wasn't a secret. The entrance has become overgrown so they probably had to clear stuff to get in there. I've been in there myself and know what it looks like – there's just corrugated iron sheets that were illegally stored in there. Nobody has lived there or used it since," the neighbour said.  ''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/30/german-police-asked-search-second-allotment-madeleine-mccann/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/30/german-police-asked-search-second-allotment-madeleine-mccann/)

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 11:11:30 AM
He will only have a 'forever home' if the evidence which ensures it is there and can be found.

There again the evidence might not even be there in the first place, wherever there is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 11:24:02 AM
In 2007, he was filmed by Tomas and two others as they took part in a challenge to transport a caravan trailer from Faro in the Algarve to Saxony in Germany relying on just 10 Euros a day.

Snip
He gave three young German travellers a 175 mile lift from Portugal to Spain
One of the passengers said: 'It makes me sick to think that the little girl could have been taken away in the same van a month later'

Entitled 'Trip of a Lifetime', they had to get the caravan back to Germany by hitching it to trucks and vans volunteered by drivers without any payment.

Their journey was sponsored by a German radio station and the trio – two competition winners and a DJ – posted regularly online about their adventure and kept an internet diary.

A friend of Brueckner's heard about the challenge through the radio and got in touch to recommended him as someone who could help.

Having driven from Praia da Luz, he picked them up in Malaga, Spain, and drove them 175 miles to Vera, Almeria – around a three hour drive – during which he was chatty, cheerful and willing to help.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576985/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-kidnap-campervan-weeks-vanished.html

No visible markings on the campervan as detailed in the photographs as shown to us by Amaral.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 11:31:00 AM
How desperate the lead investigators the brit press are for him to be the one wot dunnit, boy are they in for some disappointment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
Disappointment for the conspiracy theorist about the reasons for Brueckner abandoning his appeal.

Brueckner had previously appealed to judges in Braunschweig to set him free in the drugs case, but after abandoning that bid on Tuesday he has now re-submitted the parole request to a different court in Kiel.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8579421/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-launches-SECOND-bid-walk-free.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 31, 2020, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on July 30, 2020, 07:00:55 PM

no one climbed out of them with  a child  imo...and pmac deliberately caused noise when raising them...at least he proved the could be opened from the outside...as i recall ...amarlal said they couldnt...another thing he got wrong

GA said he couldn't what...can you prove he got it wrong or is it just another of your opinions

the shutters look as if they wouldn't stay up ...an the noise would be there without even trying.

P Mac has a very interesting chapter in his free ebook how it shows what kmcc described with the blowing curtains  impossible it seems
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 31, 2020, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 11:17:21 AM
I doubt he was one for obeying 'no overnight' rules on these allotments that's for sure! I found this....seems one neighbour thought he was just rennovating what was there and clearing stuff out so he could use the space. If you live in a camper storage space would be invaluable.

''A neighbour who lives opposite the excavated allotment and did not want to be named said he had been inside the shed near Hannover but had only seen corrugated iron sheets.

"He lived here in 2007. Everyone knew about the basement, it wasn't a secret. The entrance has become overgrown so they probably had to clear stuff to get in there. I've been in there myself and know what it looks like – there's just corrugated iron sheets that were illegally stored in there. Nobody has lived there or used it since," the neighbour said.  ''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/30/german-police-asked-search-second-allotment-madeleine-mccann/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/30/german-police-asked-search-second-allotment-madeleine-mccann/)
I read yesterday that he didn't do a moonlight flit when he left the allotment, he actually went and gave notice to the owner - can't find the story now. That doesn't strike me as the behaviour of a man who is burying stuff and furtively mooching about from one bolt hole to the next - I mean, this master criminal signed a lease in his own name. In fairness to him, for a man who's supposedly criminally adept, he's leaving a great big trail behind him unnecessarily, from phone pings, to garishly painted vans, to holiday requests with parole officers, to leases on bits of land. He's probably got the word 'NONCE' painted on the top of his latest van for Das Luft Bizzies to spot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: The General on July 31, 2020, 12:00:38 PM
I read yesterday that he didn't do a moonlight flit when he left the allotment, he actually went and gave notice to the owner - can't find the story now. That doesn't strike me as the behaviour of a man who is burying stuff and furtively mooching about from one bolt hole to the next - I mean, this master criminal signed a lease in his own name. In fairness to him, for a man who's supposedly criminally adept, he's leaving a great big trail behind him unnecessarily, from phone pings, to garishly painted vans, to holiday requests with parole officers, to leases on bits of land. He's probably got the word 'NONCE' painted on the top of his latest van for Das Luft Bizzies to spot.

He'd doing his best to not be hidden.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
He'd doing his best to not be hidden.

Why would he hide?  He knew no-one in Portugal was looking for him ... there have been books written about the non-search for him or someone with a profile like his after all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 12:16:36 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 12:13:08 PM
Why would he hide?  He knew no-one in Portugal was looking for him ... there have been books written about the non-search for him or someone with a profile like his after all.

Nothing to hide from on the McCann front.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2020, 12:16:36 PM
Nothing to hide from on the McCann front.

I'm content to wait and see.

Brueckner did hide things although I suspect he couldn't really part with some.  So who knows what else may turn up in places he had easy access to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 31, 2020, 12:21:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 12:13:08 PM
Why would he hide?  He knew no-one in Portugal was looking for him ... there have been books written about the non-search for him or someone with a profile like his after all.
That's the point our kid - he didn't try to conceal himself whatsoever from the get go. He apparently rocked up in his own extremely conspicuous van, using a phone that was registered to him. The reason for this total lack of criminal sophistication is because there was no outset, not in this case.
He's continued in that vein since. Why not change his name at any time, as that's generally number 1 on the list.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 12:28:39 PM
Quote from: The General on July 31, 2020, 12:21:45 PM
That's the point our kid - he didn't try to conceal himself whatsoever from the get go. He apparently rocked up in his own extremely conspicuous van, using a phone that was registered to him. The reason for this total lack of criminal sophistication is because there was no outset, not in this case.
He's continued in that vein since. Why not change his name at any time, as that's generally number 1 on the list.

Why do you think he would he have to bother?

If he had taken more care not to leave forensics behind when he raped the American woman ... do you think we would ever have heard about him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 31, 2020, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 12:28:39 PM
Why do you think he would he have to bother?

If he had taken more care not to leave forensics behind when he raped the American woman ... do you think we would ever have heard about him?
There's leaving forensic evidence behind and there's being even basically aware of simple police work.
Do you think the police anywhere compiled phone records in 2007 for a rape? They can't even be arsed prosecuting rapes to this day.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 31, 2020, 12:41:17 PM
He's definitely got a Fritzl complex going on in his deluded noggin...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/31/madeleine-mccann-suspect-dug-second-cellar-another-allotment-site-13063273/ (https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/31/madeleine-mccann-suspect-dug-second-cellar-another-allotment-site-13063273/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 12:28:39 PM
Why do you think he would he have to bother?

If he had taken more care not to leave forensics behind when he raped the American woman ... do you think we would ever have heard about him?

Its clear that is no forensics to link him with the McCann case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 31, 2020, 12:41:17 PM
He's definitely got a Fritzl complex going on in his deluded noggin...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/31/madeleine-mccann-suspect-dug-second-cellar-another-allotment-site-13063273/ (https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/31/madeleine-mccann-suspect-dug-second-cellar-another-allotment-site-13063273/)

Maybe but how trustworthy are the sources?  If the media pay for info all this could be a huge exaggeration.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 31, 2020, 01:02:39 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 12:54:57 PM
Maybe but how trustworthy are the sources?  If the media pay for info all this could be a huge exaggeration.
I doubt that Manfred Richter was paid a measly pfennig for his contribution... https://youtu.be/5mLBMSgWjPw?t=12 (https://youtu.be/5mLBMSgWjPw?t=12)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 31, 2020, 01:02:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2020, 12:41:51 PM
Its clear that is no forensics to link him with the McCann case.
Don't count yer chickens; they haven't 'forensically' sifted through the flotsam and jetsam from the allotment yet.
If they send any out to a lab for analysis, they are likely to find various canine hairs, numerous hairs from the un-coveralled officers and traces of saline coating everything due to the deluge of unmitigated sobbing from the search team.
Having reviewed the photo after the excavation, I would say they did a cracking job of reinstating the area - hire that digger driver (if he's not excavating another subterranean sex dungeon in a field outside Hannover).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 31, 2020, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 12:28:39 PM
Why do you think he would he have to bother?

If he had taken more care not to leave forensics behind when he raped the American woman ... do you think we would ever have heard about him?

Yet this C B who is practically tracked to every where he lived left forensics etc ect.

Managed to commit the perfect crime in the so-called abduction of Maddie.

Was even wondering about in front of ...gmcc Jez Wilkins pushing his child Jane Tanner what a pro




Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 01:55:58 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 31, 2020, 01:02:39 PM
I doubt that Manfred Richter was paid a measly pfennig for his contribution... https://youtu.be/5mLBMSgWjPw?t=12 (https://youtu.be/5mLBMSgWjPw?t=12)

maybe, maybe not. But what we do have is that he dug a 'cellar'. No specifics or confirmation that it was a 'Fritzel' type affair in either size or intent. All we have on that front seems to be a neighbour's 'dream' that occurred after the whole of the western media have pinned the entire worlds unsolved murders on Bruckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 31, 2020, 02:00:26 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 11:24:02 AM
In 2007, he was filmed by Tomas and two others as they took part in a challenge to transport a caravan trailer from Faro in the Algarve to Saxony in Germany relying on just 10 Euros a day.

Snip
He gave three young German travellers a 175 mile lift from Portugal to Spain
One of the passengers said: 'It makes me sick to think that the little girl could have been taken away in the same van a month later'

Entitled 'Trip of a Lifetime', they had to get the caravan back to Germany by hitching it to trucks and vans volunteered by drivers without any payment.

Their journey was sponsored by a German radio station and the trio – two competition winners and a DJ – posted regularly online about their adventure and kept an internet diary.

A friend of Brueckner's heard about the challenge through the radio and got in touch to recommended him as someone who could help.

Having driven from Praia da Luz, he picked them up in Malaga, Spain, and drove them 175 miles to Vera, Almeria – around a three hour drive – during which he was chatty, cheerful and willing to help.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576985/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-kidnap-campervan-weeks-vanished.html

No visible markings on the campervan as detailed in the photographs as shown to us by Amaral.

There were no reports of his van being seen that night and he was known in PDL. Anyway they tested it and found nothing to connect Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 31, 2020, 02:01:37 PM
I'm wondering about this cellar digging.

Not an easy thing to do. as unless you under-pin the existing building, it is likely to collapse into the hole being made underneath.
Clearing out an existing cellar is something different.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 31, 2020, 02:08:42 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 31, 2020, 02:01:37 PM
I'm wondering about this cellar digging.

Not an easy thing to do. as unless you under-pin the existing building, it is likely to collapse into the hole being made underneath.
Clearing out an existing cellar is something different.
Yeh, cellars are generally reinforced concrete buildings. They'd need a pecker attachment and that excavator they had on site was not man enough (or woman). Besides, they didn't peck through any r/c walls, just hoyed out what was in it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 02:31:55 PM
This just gets more and more silly. If the police photos are accurate it seemed to have the standard layout still, which is small sink unit, seat/bed, side cupboad over engine. There's already storage under the seat/bed so if he really wanted to hide a child there, no need for conversion of any space but it isn't a lot of space.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12276091/chilling-vid-shows-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-at-wheel-of-vw-camper-van-he-converted-to-hide-kids/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12276091/chilling-vid-shows-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-at-wheel-of-vw-camper-van-he-converted-to-hide-kids/)


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 02:31:55 PM
This just gets more and more silly. If the police photos are accurate it seemed to have the standard layout still, which is small sink unit, seat/bed, side cupboad over engine. There's already storage under the seat/bed so if he really wanted to hide a child there, no need for conversion of any space but it isn't a lot of space.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12276091/chilling-vid-shows-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-at-wheel-of-vw-camper-van-he-converted-to-hide-kids/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12276091/chilling-vid-shows-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-at-wheel-of-vw-camper-van-he-converted-to-hide-kids/)

It's looking a lot better now than it did then, it was falling to bits.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 31, 2020, 12:41:17 PM
He's definitely got a Fritzl complex going on in his deluded noggin...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/31/madeleine-mccann-suspect-dug-second-cellar-another-allotment-site-13063273/ (https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/31/madeleine-mccann-suspect-dug-second-cellar-another-allotment-site-13063273/)

It definitely takes either dedication or mania to dig a 10ft by 20ft hole but he seems to have retained a grip on sanity because he was capable of presenting himself as a 'normal' person.

Mind you, perhaps not as many were as taken in by him as might have been when one considers that many viewers of the 10th year crime programme phoned in flagging up his name.
So there must have been something about him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 02:47:17 PM
It's looking a lot better now than it did then, it was falling to bits.

Wheeler Dealers got hold of it and done it up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 02:52:43 PM
It definitely takes either dedication or mania to dig a 10ft by 20ft hole but he seems to have retained a grip on sanity because he was capable of presenting himself as a 'normal' person.

Mind you, perhaps not as many were as taken in by him as might have been when one considers that many viewers of the 10th year crime programme phoned in flagging up his name.
So there must have been something about him.
Idle boast's in a pub according to his bestest mate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 02:55:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2020, 12:41:51 PM
Its clear that is no forensics to link him with the McCann case.

The Germans have asked the Portuguese for access to forensic material from May 2007.  They have been refused.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 02:55:20 PM
The Germans have asked the Portuguese for access to forensic material from May 2007.  They have been refused.

Its been posted before,a FOI show that OG have copies,so NO need to go to the PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 02:31:55 PM
This just gets more and more silly. If the police photos are accurate it seemed to have the standard layout still, which is small sink unit, seat/bed, side cupboad over engine. There's already storage under the seat/bed so if he really wanted to hide a child there, no need for conversion of any space but it isn't a lot of space.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12276091/chilling-vid-shows-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-at-wheel-of-vw-camper-van-he-converted-to-hide-kids/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12276091/chilling-vid-shows-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-at-wheel-of-vw-camper-van-he-converted-to-hide-kids/)

Picture of officers carrying blue bags,supposedly evidence,looks like detritus from meals.

(https://i.imgur.com/RUpl7Vj.png)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2020, 03:02:34 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 02:31:55 PM
This just gets more and more silly. If the police photos are accurate it seemed to have the standard layout still, which is small sink unit, seat/bed, side cupboad over engine. There's already storage under the seat/bed so if he really wanted to hide a child there, no need for conversion of any space but it isn't a lot of space.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12276091/chilling-vid-shows-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-at-wheel-of-vw-camper-van-he-converted-to-hide-kids/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12276091/chilling-vid-shows-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-at-wheel-of-vw-camper-van-he-converted-to-hide-kids/)

It's the sun that's being silly.....it was in the larger van he had claimed he could smuggle drugs and children
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 03:03:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 31, 2020, 01:30:58 PM
Yet this C B who is practically tracked to every where he lived left forensics etc ect.

Managed to commit the perfect crime in the so-called abduction of Maddie.

Was even wondering about in front of ...gmcc Jez Wilkins pushing his child Jane Tanner what a pro

It is highly likely that Brueckner may have been around and about in Luz around the time Madeleine disappeared.

The Germans believe he was.

Amaral confirms he was known about ... but he wasn't in when the police called.  And nobody bothered to find out why he wasn't.

The potential was there for an enquiring mind to have Madeleine's case resolved before the 'golden hours' ran out ... but the opportunity appears to have been squandered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 03:05:05 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 31, 2020, 02:00:26 PM
There were no reports of his van being seen that night and he was known in PDL. Anyway they tested it and found nothing to connect Madeleine.

When exactly did they test it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 31, 2020, 03:06:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2020, 03:00:14 PM
Picture of officers carrying blue bags,supposedly evidence,looks like detritus from meals.

(https://i.imgur.com/RUpl7Vj.png)


100 officers make for  a lot of take-ways and subsequent rubbish   8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 31, 2020, 03:02:34 PM
It's the sun that's being silly.....it was in the larger van he had claimed he could smuggle drugs and children

The Sun are always silly but they are claiming the VW was 'converted to hide kids'.

'MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian B was filmed behind the wheel of a VW campervan he 'converted to hide kids' just weeks before the three-year-old went missing in 2007.

The campervan has become a crucial piece of evidence in the missing toddler case after witnesses claimed they saw the vehicle close to where Madeleine was snatched in Praia da Luz.''


As for his other claim ( second hand, through someone else, could have been a joke etc.) , probably as reliable as the Suns latest offering IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on July 31, 2020, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2020, 03:00:14 PM
Picture of officers carrying blue bags,supposedly evidence,looks like detritus from meals.

(https://i.imgur.com/RUpl7Vj.png)
Offizier Nummer zwei, bitte melden sie sich in meinem Büro
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2020, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 03:07:33 PM
The Sun are always silly but they are claiming the VW was 'converted to hide kids'.

'MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian B was filmed behind the wheel of a VW campervan he 'converted to hide kids' just weeks before the three-year-old went missing in 2007.

The campervan has become a crucial piece of evidence in the missing toddler case after witnesses claimed they saw the vehicle close to where Madeleine was snatched in Praia da Luz.''


As for his other claim ( second hand, through someone else, could have been a joke etc.) , probably as reliable as the Suns latest offering IMO.

The sun are obviously confused .I'm not..the hidden children remark was re the large motor home
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 03:07:33 PM
The Sun are always silly but they are claiming the VW was 'converted to hide kids'.

'MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian B was filmed behind the wheel of a VW campervan he 'converted to hide kids' just weeks before the three-year-old went missing in 2007.

The campervan has become a crucial piece of evidence in the missing toddler case after witnesses claimed they saw the vehicle close to where Madeleine was snatched in Praia da Luz.''


As for his other claim ( second hand, through someone else, could have been a joke etc.) , probably as reliable as the Suns latest offering IMO.

I believe a witness at the workshop Brueckner hired has said that he was constantly modifying the vehicle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 03:24:05 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 03:03:33 PM
It is highly likely that Brueckner may have been around and about in Luz around the time Madeleine disappeared.

The Germans believe he was.

Amaral confirms he was known about ... but he wasn't in when the police called.  And nobody bothered to find out why he wasn't.

The potential was there for an enquiring mind to have Madeleine's case resolved before the 'golden hours' ran out ... but the opportunity appears to have been squandered.

I wasn't in yesterday when a parcel was left with a neighbour, nobody asked why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
I believe a witness at the workshop Brueckner hired has said that he was constantly modifying the vehicle.

Maybe but the photos and now the video published shows a standard layout. There really isn't much room to modify the interior space in these vans. The only places you could (hide) / store a tennis racket or child would be under the seat, or under the engine cover at the back if you raised it, then your bench seat/ bed would also need to be changed to a custom one which he doesn't seem to have done. The space under the seat doesn't need to be changed in anyway.

(https://www.lekkercamper.co.za/images/lekker_by_day_comfort_21.jpg)

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2020, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 02:55:20 PM
The Germans have asked the Portuguese for access to forensic material from May 2007.  They have been refused.
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2020, 02:58:00 PM
Its been posted before,a FOI show that OG have copies,so know need to go to the PJ.
Here you go.

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2019/march_2019/information-rights-unit---retention-of-dna-data-and-other-forensic-samples

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 31, 2020, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2020, 03:29:04 PM
Here you go.

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2019/march_2019/information-rights-unit---retention-of-dna-data-and-other-forensic-samples

Maybe the Germans don't trust the first results and want to do their own tests.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 31, 2020, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 31, 2020, 01:30:58 PM
Yet this C B who is practically tracked to every where he lived left forensics etc ect.

Managed to commit the perfect crime in the so-called abduction of Maddie.

Was even wondering about in front of ...gmcc Jez Wilkins pushing his child Jane Tanner what a pro




If it was CB,  do you think he would expect Gerry to be there talking to Jeremy?   As far as he was concerned Gerry had left the apartment to go back to the Tapas Bar and he no doubt give him time to get back before he left the apartment it must have been a shock to see him in the road talking to Jeremy.   Jane said the man was walking at a fast rate.    I doubt if he expected to see Jane either,  she was on her way to see her daughter so that Russell could leave their apartment and go to the Tapas Bar to eat his dinner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 31, 2020, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: The General on July 31, 2020, 02:08:42 PM
Yeh, cellars are generally reinforced concrete buildings. They'd need a pecker attachment and that excavator they had on site was not man enough (or woman). Besides, they didn't peck through any r/c walls, just hoyed out what was in it.


I've read the cellar was already there and he was making it bigger.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 31, 2020, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 12:13:08 PM
Why would he hide?  He knew no-one in Portugal was looking for him ... there have been books written about the non-search for him or someone with a profile like his after all.


He was probably laughing about the fact that Amaral was pinning it on the McCann's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2020, 03:24:05 PM
I wasn't in yesterday when a parcel was left with a neighbour, nobody asked why.

Are the police looking for a child missing from nearbye and I'm not even going to ask if you have a rap sheet to match Brueckners?

Quite obviously the Judicial Police had business with Brueckner or they would not have knocked in the first instance.

By the way ~ did you pick up your package ~ or have you vanished from the scene of the delivery?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 05:04:20 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 03:24:29 PM
Maybe but the photos and now the video published shows a standard layout. There really isn't much room to modify the interior space in these vans. The only places you could (hide) / store a tennis racket or child would be under the seat, or under the engine cover at the back if you raised it, then your bench seat/ bed would also need to be changed to a custom one which he doesn't seem to have done. The space under the seat doesn't need to be changed in anyway.

(https://www.lekkercamper.co.za/images/lekker_by_day_comfort_21.jpg)

The witness made no reference to the layout.  He described the raising and lowering of the roof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2020, 03:29:04 PM
Here you go.

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2019/march_2019/information-rights-unit---retention-of-dna-data-and-other-forensic-samples

    So???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 31, 2020, 04:14:35 PM
Maybe the Germans don't trust the first results and want to do their own tests.

I believe they do, taking into account the advances there have been in forensic science since 2007.

Who knows ... they may even have engaged Perlin.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 06:58:38 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 05:04:20 PM
The witness made no reference to the layout.  He described the raising and lowering of the roof.

Not what I was refering to at all. The Sun newspaper have claimed the VW Westfalia was converted to hide children. I'm saying no modifications have been made to the layout of the VW westfalia, which is clearly visible in the police released photos.
(Edit. apologies Brietta, it does seem to be the VW someone mentioned raising the roof. Still doesn't make much sense as it would need to be a whole, new complete fibreglass roof and the video footage of the roof shows the same roof the van always had)

 It seems to me the Sun and others noticed the witnesses to the recent dig said Bruckner was there in the VW. They have therefore changed which van was supposedly smuggling children to fit the latest news...even though earlier they claimed it was the larger van that was used for smuggling kids.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 07:03:01 PM
Bruckner's Lawyer has made a statement today, he claims the search was 'desperate'.

"Christian Brückner's lawyer has described the excavation of a Hannover allotment by police as "a pure desperate act" in his first statement on the case.

Friedrich Sebastian Fülscher, representing the 43-year-old lead suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, issued the statement in response to the two-day search by Braunschweig police at an allotment plot just outside Hannover earlier this week.

Federal officers uncovered a sealed cellar on Wednesday.

Locals said Brückner had stayed in the area in 2007, the year in which three-year-old Madeleine went missing from Praia da Luz in Portugal.

Brückner is currently serving a sentence for drugs charges, but it was revealed on Friday that his lawyers have put in a new bid for his release, meaning he could walk free on January 7.

In a statement on Friday, Mr Fülscher called the search "a pure desperate act of the public prosecutor's office".

"Apparently, it's hard for investigators to admit they backed the wrong horse," the lawyer said. "My client is silent on the charges, but that doesn't mean he has anything to hide.

Discussing the rape of a 72-year-old American woman for which Brückner was jailed for seven years last year, which he continues to deny, Mr Fülscher said it was "totally unusual" for someone to be a both a paedophile and a gerontophile."'



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 03:03:33 PM
It is highly likely that Brueckner may have been around and about in Luz around the time Madeleine disappeared.

The Germans believe he was.

Amaral confirms he was known about ... but he wasn't in when the police called.  And nobody bothered to find out why he wasn't.

The potential was there for an enquiring mind to have Madeleine's case resolved before the 'golden hours' ran out ... but the opportunity appears to have been squandered.

No-one knows what time Madeleine disappeared. Are you quoting Amaral now? I thought he was so incompetent and told so many lies that no-one can believe a word he says. In my opinion it would have taken more than an enquiring mind to connect CB to the crime early on. It would have taken what it took recently; a grass.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2020, 07:21:05 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 07:03:01 PM
Bruckner's Lawyer has made a statement today, he claims the search was 'desperate'.

"Christian Brückner's lawyer has described the excavation of a Hannover allotment by police as "a pure desperate act" in his first statement on the case.

Friedrich Sebastian Fülscher, representing the 43-year-old lead suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, issued the statement in response to the two-day search by Braunschweig police at an allotment plot just outside Hannover earlier this week.

Federal officers uncovered a sealed cellar on Wednesday.

Locals said Brückner had stayed in the area in 2007, the year in which three-year-old Madeleine went missing from Praia da Luz in Portugal.

Brückner is currently serving a sentence for drugs charges, but it was revealed on Friday that his lawyers have put in a new bid for his release, meaning he could walk free on January 7.

In a statement on Friday, Mr Fülscher called the search "a pure desperate act of the public prosecutor's office".

"Apparently, it's hard for investigators to admit they backed the wrong horse," the lawyer said. "My client is silent on the charges, but that doesn't mean he has anything to hide.

Discussing the rape of a 72-year-old American woman for which Brückner was jailed for seven years last year, which he continues to deny, Mr Fülscher said it was "totally unusual" for someone to be a both a paedophile and a gerontophile."'


 (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/31/madeleine-mccann-suspects-lawyer-calls-police-allotment-search/)

I think you are typical of the sceptics trying to undermine the german investiagtion. I doubt you could get an  any more biased than view than  CB's lawyer. Can you not accept that the Germans may be on to something...are your views so entrenched.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2020, 07:26:09 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 07:03:01 PM
Bruckner's Lawyer has made a statement today, he claims the search was 'desperate'.

"Christian Brückner's lawyer has described the excavation of a Hannover allotment by police as "a pure desperate act" in his first statement on the case.

Friedrich Sebastian Fülscher, representing the 43-year-old lead suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, issued the statement in response to the two-day search by Braunschweig police at an allotment plot just outside Hannover earlier this week.

Federal officers uncovered a sealed cellar on Wednesday.

Locals said Brückner had stayed in the area in 2007, the year in which three-year-old Madeleine went missing from Praia da Luz in Portugal.

Brückner is currently serving a sentence for drugs charges, but it was revealed on Friday that his lawyers have put in a new bid for his release, meaning he could walk free on January 7.

In a statement on Friday, Mr Fülscher called the search "a pure desperate act of the public prosecutor's office".

"Apparently, it's hard for investigators to admit they backed the wrong horse," the lawyer said. "My client is silent on the charges, but that doesn't mean he has anything to hide.

Discussing the rape of a 72-year-old American woman for which Brückner was jailed for seven years last year, which he continues to deny, Mr Fülscher said it was "totally unusual" for someone to be a both a paedophile and a gerontophile."'


 (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/31/madeleine-mccann-suspects-lawyer-calls-police-allotment-search/)


you post...

Discussing the rape of a 72-year-old American woman for which Brückner was jailed for seven years last year, which he continues to deny, Mr Fülscher said it was "totally unusual" for someone to be a both a paedophile and a gerontophile."'


And isnt it totally unusual that  a burglar might be a paedophile and abduct  a child..

Yes...both are totally unusual...maddies disappearance is totally unusual....perhaps thats exactly what has happened
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2020, 07:30:22 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 07:03:01 PM
Bruckner's Lawyer has made a statement today, he claims the search was 'desperate'.

"Christian Brückner's lawyer has described the excavation of a Hannover allotment by police as "a pure desperate act" in his first statement on the case.

Friedrich Sebastian Fülscher, representing the 43-year-old lead suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, issued the statement in response to the two-day search by Braunschweig police at an allotment plot just outside Hannover earlier this week.

Federal officers uncovered a sealed cellar on Wednesday.

Locals said Brückner had stayed in the area in 2007, the year in which three-year-old Madeleine went missing from Praia da Luz in Portugal.

Brückner is currently serving a sentence for drugs charges, but it was revealed on Friday that his lawyers have put in a new bid for his release, meaning he could walk free on January 7.

In a statement on Friday, Mr Fülscher called the search "a pure desperate act of the public prosecutor's office".

"Apparently, it's hard for investigators to admit they backed the wrong horse," the lawyer said. "My client is silent on the charges, but that doesn't mean he has anything to hide.

Discussing the rape of a 72-year-old American woman for which Brückner was jailed for seven years last year, which he continues to deny, Mr Fülscher said it was "totally unusual" for someone to be a both a paedophile and a gerontophile."'


 (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/31/madeleine-mccann-suspects-lawyer-calls-police-allotment-search/)



it seems you have quoted your own post and made it impossible to reply normally.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 31, 2020, 07:21:05 PM
I think you are typical of the sceptics trying to undermine the german investiagtion. I doubt you could get an  any more biased than view than  CB's lawyer. Can you not accept that the Germans may be on to something...are your views so entrenched.

How am I undermining anything by quoting what his lawyer said? Do you think the lawyer would take a 'goading' stance for no reason?

As I've repeated to you ad infinitum I'm not the only one that thinks it's unusual to launch an appeal like this and more or less brand Bruckner the definitive suspect so early on.The judge Thomas Fischer thought the same thing, he said it could be a 'mistake' to appeal so early on in an investigation.

If there was evidence Bruckner was at 5a that night around 9pm, I would consider the case to be stronger. Of course the Germans could be on to something, they may also very well be carrying out their duty to investigate suspicions relating to someone who may turn out not to be involved. Even Hans Wolter is realistic about the prospect of never getting charges and has said they still need to place Bruckner at the scene for charges.
Meanwhile our media and many McCann supporters are convinced all of this is based on something 'concrete' and specific intelligence....just like the well searches were supposedly based on intelligence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2020, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
How am I undermining anything by quoting what his lawyer said? Do you think the lawyer would take a 'goading' stance for no reason?

As I've repeated to you ad infinitum I'm not the only one that thinks it's unusual to launch an appeal like this and more or less brand Bruckner the definitive suspect so early on.The judge Thomas Fischer thought the same thing, he said it could be a 'mistake' to appeal so early on in an investigation.

If there was evidence Bruckner was at 5a that night around 9pm, I would consider the case to be stronger. Of course the Germans could be on to something, they may also very well be carrying out their duty to investigate suspicions relating to someone who may turn out not to be involved. Even Hans Wolter is realistic about the prospect of never getting charges and has said they still need to place Bruckner at the scene for charges.
Meanwhile our media and many McCann supporters are convinced all of this is based on something 'concrete' and specific intelligence....just like the well searches were supposedly based on intelligence.

 Read my post again and you will see I said "trying" to undermine the German case. CB's lawyer is hardly neutral.

He is also suggesting innocence on the rape case...then why not contest the case on the evidence rather than a technicality....perhaps because hes a rapist...but his lawyer will support him whatever. Can't you understand taht simple fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 07:54:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 31, 2020, 07:43:58 PM
Read my post again and you will see I said "trying" to undermine the German case. CB's lawyer is hardly neutral.

He is also suggesting innocence on the rape case...then why not contest the case on the evidence rather than a technicality....perhaps because hes a rapist...but his lawyer will support him whatever. Can't you understand taht simple fact

It would be nice if you stopped trying to mind read. I wasn't 'trying' to undermine anything and I never said anything about my view of the rape. Seeing as you've invented a view of the rape for me I'll clarify my actual view....

....I have little doubt Bruckner committed the rape as 2 people testified to seeing his face in the video of the rape and he left DNA at the scene. When there is similar to link him to 5a he really will be a prime suspect won't he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2020, 07:58:01 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 07:54:07 PM
It would be nice if you stopped trying to mind read. I wasn't 'trying' to undermine anything and I never said anything about my view of the rape. Seeing as you've invented a view of the rape for me I'll clarify my actual view....

....I have little doubt Bruckner committed the rape as 2 people testified to seeing his face in the video of the rape and he left DNA at the scene. When there is similar to link him to 5a he really will be a prime suspect won't he?

Yet his lawyer is trying to distance CB from the rape.....that's what hes paid for...100%...so please dont bring hi sviews here as though they have any value..

CB is certainly the prime suspect at the moment
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 31, 2020, 07:58:01 PM
Yet his lawyer is trying to distance CB from the rape.....that's what hes paid for...100%...so please dont bring hi sviews here as though they have any value..

CB is certainly the prime suspect at the moment

'so please dont bring hi sviews here as though they have any value..' Pretty arrogant that. The lawyer said the allotment sites have been known about for years .....that may or may not be true regardless of him being a lawyer.
 but Davel has decided it is of no interest or value, got it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2020, 08:08:44 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 31, 2020, 03:06:18 PM


100 officers make for  a lot of take-ways and subsequent rubbish   8(0(*

The rubbish went in the skip as I understand
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 31, 2020, 08:48:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on July 31, 2020, 08:08:44 PM
The rubbish went in the skip as I understand
Davel - I have had to amend 3 of your recent posts.  You didn't copy the tags correctly.  By tags I mean the text in [] at the end of the post you quoted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 09:32:39 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on July 31, 2020, 06:58:38 PM
Not what I was refering to at all. The Sun newspaper have claimed the VW Westfalia was converted to hide children. I'm saying no modifications have been made to the layout of the VW westfalia, which is clearly visible in the police released photos.
(Edit. apologies Brietta, it does seem to be the VW someone mentioned raising the roof. Still doesn't make much sense as it would need to be a whole, new complete fibreglass roof and the video footage of the roof shows the same roof the van always had)

 It seems to me the Sun and others noticed the witnesses to the recent dig said Bruckner was there in the VW. They have therefore changed which van was supposedly smuggling children to fit the latest news...even though earlier they claimed it was the larger van that was used for smuggling kids.

As far as I know the VW is the one he left Luz with in 2007 and the one he boasted the capacity of re. drugs or children and was the one he was driving on an occasion when he returned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 07:17:31 PM
No-one knows what time Madeleine disappeared. Are you quoting Amaral now? I thought he was so incompetent and told so many lies that no-one can believe a word he says. In my opinion it would have taken more than an enquiring mind to connect CB to the crime early on. It would have taken what it took recently; a grass.

A "grass" ???? WOW !!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 10:37:20 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 09:53:33 PM
A "grass" ???? WOW !!

I'm sure it must be tiresome to be reminded of the facts. It wasn't superior sleuthing which led police to CB, it was an informant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 10:52:22 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 10:37:20 PM
I'm sure it must be tiresome to be reminded of the facts. It wasn't superior sleuthing which led police to CB, it was an informant.

         In your language ... a "grass".   Says it all really and it is becoming increasingly more tiresome.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 11:23:48 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 10:52:22 PM
         In your language ... a "grass".   Says it all really and it is becoming increasingly more tiresome.

It is tiresome to have to take facts into account, I'm sure, but without an informant CB would not have attracted police attention for this crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 12:06:31 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 11:23:48 PM
It is tiresome to have to take facts into account, I'm sure, but without an informant CB would not have attracted police attention for this crime.

In future I think when you are talking to me please consider that you will probably be talking to yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 01, 2020, 05:49:50 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 05:06:04 PM
    So???
You made a claim that the Germans  had asked the PJ for access to the forensics and had been refused,I pointed out they could ask OG who have copies,not hard to understand is it.It is supposedly a tri nations investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 01, 2020, 08:41:10 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 09:53:33 PM
Yet another post providing nothing but tiresome argument 😛😛 and ... "a grass" ???? WOW !!
Isn't this, I don't know, goading?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on August 01, 2020, 09:45:05 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 10:52:22 PM
         In your language ... a "grass".   Says it all really and it is becoming increasingly more tiresome.
Why does it say it all ?We all understand the meaning .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 10:01:24 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2020, 05:49:50 AM
You made a claim that the Germans  had asked the PJ for access to the forensics and had been refused,I pointed out they could ask OG who have copies,not hard to understand is it.It is supposedly a tri nations investigation.

Where did you get the information from that it is 'supposedly a tri nations investigation'?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 01, 2020, 10:04:24 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 11:23:48 PM
It is tiresome to have to take facts into account, I'm sure, but without an informant CB would not have attracted police attention for this crime.

That is how most decent police forces operate. Colin Sutton only found Belfield through an informant. the problem is the portuguese do not seem to want to make public appeals. Thats bordering on incompetence in my mind
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on August 01, 2020, 09:45:05 AM
Why does it say it all ?We all understand the meaning .

Precisely.

Now please return to the thread topic which is 'New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.' Thank you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on August 01, 2020, 10:11:01 AM
Could we have more constructive debate please guys and less goading. TY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 12:47:22 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 31, 2020, 09:32:39 PM
As far as I know the VW is the one he left Luz with in 2007 and the one he boasted the capacity of re. drugs or children and was the one he was driving on an occasion when he returned.

No, the massive Allegro is the one he allegedly said he could smuggle 'grass' and kids in. That actually makes sense because it has plenty of room. The small T3 VW being 'modified' makes no sense and it is literally shown in a video 'weeks before' the alleged abduction without any modifications what-so-ever. That's why I said the media seems to be changing the narrative to fit the digs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 01, 2020, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 12:47:22 PM
No, the massive Allegro is the one he allegedly said he could smuggle 'grass' and kids in. That actually makes sense because it has plenty of room. The small T3 VW being 'modified' makes no sense and it is literally shown in a video 'weeks before' the alleged abduction without any modifications what-so-ever. That's why I said the media seems to be changing the narrative to fit the digs.

As I've said many times...in the media there is wheat and chaffe
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 12:53:50 PM
As I've said many times...in the media there is wheat and chaffe

I know that, the VW being 'a kidnap van' seems to be a load of chaffe.





Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 01, 2020, 01:09:11 PM
Well there isn't words to describe it..apart from




disaster.
embarrassment.
failure.
farce.
flop.
mess

The only boxes it ticks is they are making CP a patsy or scapegoat






it seems the germans are just making fools of themself
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 01, 2020, 01:38:14 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 12:58:31 PM
I know that, the VW being 'a kidnap van' seems to be a load of chaffe.

We don't know Maddie wasn't transported in it...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2020, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 01:38:14 PM
We don't know Maddie wasn't transported in it...

We don't know if Brueckner ever set eyes on Maddie, or if she was even abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 01, 2020, 01:47:05 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2020, 01:40:13 PM
We don't know if Brueckner ever set eyes on Maddie, or if she was even abducted.

I think we will find out fairly soon...it's not what we know it's what the German police know
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 01:48:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 01:38:14 PM
We don't know Maddie wasn't transported in it...

I didn't say she wasn't Davel.
  The VW has only been described as a 'kidnap van' this week alongside the dig. Before it was the Allegra that was the one said to smuggle kids. The Allegra was not the van Bruckner had at the allotments so the media have branded the VW a 'kidnap Van' now.... although that is completely unlikely for all the reasons I have stated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 12:47:22 PM
No, the massive Allegro is the one he allegedly said he could smuggle 'grass' and kids in. That actually makes sense because it has plenty of room. The small T3 VW being 'modified' makes no sense and it is literally shown in a video 'weeks before' the alleged abduction without any modifications what-so-ever. That's why I said the media seems to be changing the narrative to fit the digs.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough ... but that is what I said ... when he returned it was in the Winnebego.
I think the media have picked up on that and as more information becomes available I think they are reporting it with as much accuracy as possible.

However we know that his VW can carry at least three people and we know that he lived in it so whether modified or not there would be no problem carrying a child in it ... but we know he had an interest in modifying it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 01:50:28 PM
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough ... but that is what I said ... when he returned it was in the Winnebego.
I think the media have picked up on that and as more information becomes available I think they are reporting it with as much accuracy as possible.

However we know that his VW can carry at least three people and we know that he lived in it so whether modified or not there would be no problem carrying a child in it ... but we know he had an interest in modifying it.

Sorry Brietta, where did he return in the Winnebego? To Germany?

The point I was making is the media have branded the VW a 'kidnap van' and tried to use the roof being modified as justification for that. They also have a video of the van weeks before that shows absolutely NO modifications, same as the police photos.
 So I really doubt 'accuracy' is involved in any of the reports about the vans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2020, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 01:47:05 PM
I think we will find out fairly soon...it's not what we know it's what the German police know

Yes but we know that the German police know that Maddie may still be alive....either that or she's dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 01, 2020, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 01:47:05 PM
I think we will find out fairly soon...it's not what we know it's what the German police know

Well at the moment it seems the media no more than anyone.

It just depends what version to go with...or the headline of the day.

We've been treated to 13 years of total nonsense,

I don't see any reason to think that we're not being treated to more of the same.

The abduction has nothing to prove it ever happened...or that CB has been in 5a
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on August 01, 2020, 02:09:17 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 10:37:20 PM
I'm sure it must be tiresome to be reminded of the facts. It wasn't superior sleuthing which led police to CB, it was an informant.

I lean to than conclusion too but it a dangerous route for police to go down. These "grasses" have their own agenda at the end of the day and most definitely cannot be trusted any more than Christian Brueckner can.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 01, 2020, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 01, 2020, 02:08:43 PM
Well at the moment it seems the media no more than anyone.

It just depends what version to go with...or the headline of the day.

We've been treated to 13 years of total nonsense,

I don't see any reason to think that we're not being treated to more of the same.

The abduction has nothing to prove it ever happened...or that CB has been in 5a
We will know soon enough. I'm going with what HCW has directly said...live in interviews not by the newspapers. As for total nonsense...a lot of that has come from amaral which posters like yourself have believed. we now have his claim about the drawings on the VW which have been shown to be false.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 03:02:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 02:54:56 PM
We will know soon enough. I'm going with what HCW has directly said...live in interviews not by the newspapers. As for total nonsense...a lot of that has come from amaral which posters like yourself have believed. we now have his claim about the drawings on the VW which have been shown to be false.

When was Amarals's claim about the drawings shown to be false? I've missed it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 01, 2020, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 03:02:08 PM
When was Amarals's claim about the drawings shown to be false? I've missed it.

the video of the VW 3 weeks before the abduction doesnt match the pictures amaral produced of the van
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 03:05:14 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
Sorry Brietta, where did he return in the Winnebego? To Germany?

The point I was making is the media have branded the VW a 'kidnap van' and tried to use the roof being modified as justification for that. They also have a video of the van weeks before that shows absolutely NO modifications, same as the police photos.
 So I really doubt 'accuracy' is involved in any of the reports about the vans.

Apparently he travelled between Luz and Germany (or wherever) in the Winnebego, but in my opinion he left Luz in the rusty and battered campervan.

Snip
It is alleged the motorhome was seen on Portugal's Algarve on several occasions around 2007.

A former ambulance driver called Dieter, whose daughter knew Brueckner, said he was given a tour of the vehicle. He added: 'As I looked inside, I asked him: 'Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?' He told me: 'I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.'

Dieter revealed to the Mail on Sunday: 'Brueckner told me again, 'I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe'. I thought he was joking at the time. He said, 'In my van, I can take 50kg of grass – nobody can see it ... I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van – it's a safe space in the van. Nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you'.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8428843/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-motorhome-contained-stash-girls-swimming-costumes.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 01, 2020, 03:12:44 PM
I believe they are also employed as police informers ...could be what they needed to get the CB ball rolling.

IMO they have no morals what so ever.... to get there hand full of silver or £20.00 reward
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 03:05:14 PM
Apparently he travelled between Luz and Germany (or wherever) in the Winnebego, but in my opinion he left Luz in the rusty and battered campervan.

Snip
It is alleged the motorhome was seen on Portugal's Algarve on several occasions around 2007.

A former ambulance driver called Dieter, whose daughter knew Brueckner, said he was given a tour of the vehicle. He added: 'As I looked inside, I asked him: 'Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?' He told me: 'I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.'

Dieter revealed to the Mail on Sunday: 'Brueckner told me again, 'I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe'. I thought he was joking at the time. He said, 'In my van, I can take 50kg of grass – nobody can see it ... I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van – it's a safe space in the van. Nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you'.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8428843/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-motorhome-contained-stash-girls-swimming-costumes.html
So he had this 'winnebego' shortly before the 'abduction' that could easily hide a child and more...yet he also had the VW that he was adapting to be a 'kidnap van' at the same time? None of it makes sense. Why was the appeal centered around the VW and not the Winnebego ( which was actually an Allegra?!). And then there's the Jag that turned out to be in Germany that night and not even involved according to Wolter.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 03:15:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 03:04:19 PM
the video of the VW 3 weeks before the abduction doesnt match the pictures amaral produced of the van

Right, thanks I see what you mean.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 01, 2020, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 03:04:19 PM
the video of the VW 3 weeks before the abduction doesnt match the pictures amaral produced of the van

The pictures of the VW produced by the Germans don't match the video either. They may have been taken near the Vila do Bispo beaches, but not in 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 01, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 01, 2020, 03:25:49 PM
The pictures of the VW produced by the Germans don't match the video either. They may have been taken near the Vila do Bispo beaches, but not in 2007.

what we know for certain is that a few weeks before maddie was abducted...no markings....so what is amaral talking about
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 03:14:29 PM
So he had this 'winnebego' shortly before the 'abduction' that could easily hide a child and more...yet he also had the VW that he was adapting to be a 'kidnap van' at the same time? None of it makes sense. Why was the appeal centered around the VW and not the Winnebego ( which was actually an Allegra?!). And then there's the Jag that turned out to be in Germany that night and not even involved according to Wolter.

Don't be ridiculous.  It seems you and Amaral have a thing about disinformation when it comes to campervans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 04:04:09 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 03:40:58 PM
Don't be ridiculous.  It seems you and Amaral have a thing about disinformation when it comes to campervans.

How is that ridiculous? None of the campervan info adds up. That's my opinion, very rude to call it disinformation when I have based it on the same evidence Davel pointed to about the VW not being changed with drawings. It was not modified in anyway to hide children according to that same video. No roof changes, no interior changes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 01, 2020, 04:22:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
what we know for certain is that a few weeks before maddie was abducted...no markings....so what is amaral talking about

I don't know and I don't care. I'm commenting on what I've seen with my own eyes; a van full of rust and chipped paint in 2007 which isn't the van in the appeal photos. It's obviously been done up in recent years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 04:04:09 PM
How is that ridiculous? None of the campervan info adds up. That's my opinion, very rude to call it disinformation when I have based it on the same evidence Davel pointed to about the VW not being changed with drawings. It was not modified in anyway to hide children according to that same video. No roof changes, no interior changes.

I am referring to your reply to my post which you have twisted beyond recognition.  You may be unable to make head nor tail of Brueckner's vehicles but I shall be very surprised if the police investigators suffer from your problem and they after all the ones who matter here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
what we know for certain is that a few weeks before maddie was abducted...no markings....so what is amaral talking about

  ... and short hair ... not the dreadlocks of Amaral's imagination in the photographic image he is promoting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on August 01, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 04:34:15 PM
I am referring to your reply to my post which you have twisted beyond recognition.  You may be unable to make head nor tail of Brueckner's vehicles but I shall be very surprised if the police investigators suffer from your problem and they after all the ones who matter here.

Those are my opinions on what the media have said about the vehicles. You may have noticed I put question marks after everything I wrote. 'twisting your post'? No, I just don't agree with you. Questioning what the media says is not disinformation. Disinformation implies misleading and false information ( and dishonesty which is quite rude really), I posed questions, on a discussion forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 01, 2020, 05:33:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2020, 11:23:48 PM
It is tiresome to have to take facts into account, I'm sure, but without an informant CB would not have attracted police attention for this crime.

Which crime?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 01, 2020, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 03:04:19 PM
the video of the VW 3 weeks before the abduction doesnt match the pictures amaral produced of the van

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2020, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 01, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
what we know for certain is that a few weeks before maddie was abducted...no markings....so what is amaral talking about

No, we don't know for certain Maddie was abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 01, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 01, 2020, 04:38:54 PM
  ... and short hair ... not the dreadlocks of Amaral's imagination in the photographic image he is promoting.

Nor the dark, long to the collar of Tanner’s.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 01, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 01, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Nor the dark, long to the collar of Tanner’s.

Well there's a surprise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 02, 2020, 06:42:59 AM
Roll Up, Roll Up, Read All About It!...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-boasted-performed-22454382 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-boasted-performed-22454382)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 02, 2020, 08:55:48 AM
Quote from: Myster on August 02, 2020, 06:42:59 AM
Roll Up, Roll Up, Read All About It!...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-boasted-performed-22454382 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-boasted-performed-22454382)

He's certainly the legend.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 02, 2020, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2020, 08:55:48 AM
He's certainly the legend.
If I was receiving 500 euro every time I cranked out an allegation I'd drip feed them out too. It's good financial planning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 02, 2020, 09:00:14 AM
Quote from: The General on August 02, 2020, 08:57:51 AM
If I was receiving 500 euro every time I cranked out an allegation I'd drip feed them out too. It's good financial planning.

Decent pension contributions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 02, 2020, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: The General on August 02, 2020, 08:57:51 AM
If I was receiving 500 euro every time I cranked out an allegation I'd drip feed them out too. It's good financial planning.
As the friend isn’t named and you’re determined to be cynical about every aspect of news reporting on this man, you may as well simply accuse the Mirror of making the story up themselves, saves them 500 euros a time doesn’t it?(not that there’s any evidence to support this being the amount of money paid per story, nor that any money changed hands, nor that it’s the same source for every report). 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 02, 2020, 09:05:04 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 02, 2020, 09:03:22 AM
As the friend isn’t named and you’re determined to be cynical about every aspect of news reporting on this man, you may as well simply accuse the Mirror of making the story up themselves, saves them 500 euros a time doesn’t it?(not that there’s any evidence to support this being the amount of money paid per story, nor that any money changed hands, nor that it’s the same source for every report). 
In Vino Veritas... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 02, 2020, 09:13:58 AM
Quote from: Myster on August 02, 2020, 09:05:04 AM
In Vino Veritas... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas)
I didn't say it wasn't true, merely commenting on the financial strategy of the 'friend'. It's robust planning and if some dopey reporter keeps coming back to buy a biscuit I'd sell them one too, every time.

Besides, never a drop of truth serum passes my lips until way after brunch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 02, 2020, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: Myster on August 02, 2020, 09:05:04 AM
In Vino Veritas... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas)

But there's many a slip twixt cup and the lip.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 02, 2020, 09:27:50 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 02, 2020, 09:03:22 AM
As the friend isn’t named and you’re determined to be cynical about every aspect of news reporting on this man, you may as well simply accuse the Mirror of making the story up themselves, saves them 500 euros a time doesn’t it?(not that there’s any evidence to support this being the amount of money paid per story, nor that any money changed hands, nor that it’s the same source for every report).

I don't think there was much doubt by those in his circle that Brueckner is a career criminal who made his living from drugs and thieving and a lot of underhand dealing but I doubt if very many of them (if any) suspected he was a violent sexual sadist ... although that tale would have made me wonder if it had been told to me.

The people who didn't know that side of him but who drank and socialised with him must be shocked to the core about the nature of the current investigation taking place and they may be thinking about things which meant nothing to them at the time but which have taken on a significance when viewed in a different light.

I think more might come forward with information the more they think about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 02, 2020, 09:29:12 AM
Looks like another pandemic only affecting sceptics....the denial virus. It seems to have spraed rapidly affecting just about every succeptible person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 02, 2020, 09:33:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 02, 2020, 09:29:12 AM
Looks like another pandemic only affecting sceptics....the denial virus. It seems to have spraed rapidly affecting just about every succeptible person.
Reads like one of Donald Trump's tweets.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 02, 2020, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 02, 2020, 09:29:12 AM
Looks like another pandemic only affecting sceptics....the denial virus. It seems to have spraed rapidly affecting just about every succeptible person.

It's a silly idea, imo, because scepticism is not denial. There do seem to be people who are susceptible to unquestioning acceptance of media stories, however. Are they infected with a credulity virus, I wonder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 02, 2020, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 02, 2020, 10:29:36 AM
It's a silly idea, imo, because scepticism is not denial. There do seem to be people who are susceptible to unquestioning acceptance of media stories, however. Are they infected with a credulity virus, I wonder.
Some people are able to read news reports and reserve judgement on whether or not there is any truth in them, unlike others who sneer and scoff at them if they don’t support their own agenda or beliefs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 02, 2020, 10:52:15 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 02, 2020, 10:41:19 AM
Some people are able to read news reports and reserve judgement on whether or not there is any truth in them, unlike others who sneer and scoff at them if they don’t support their own agenda or beliefs.

Out of all the stories that have emerged over the years what do you suppose the percentage of truth is attached to them, single digits I'd venture, if that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 02, 2020, 11:03:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 02, 2020, 10:41:19 AM
Some people are able to read news reports and reserve judgement on whether or not there is any truth in them, unlike others who sneer and scoff at them if they don’t support their own agenda or beliefs.

It depends on your perspective. Some question media reports, some seem to swallow them hook, line and sinker. In my opinion the media cloud the issues rather than clarify them.

It's a fact that the German police dug up an allotment, but is it a fact that they found a cellar?
It's a fact that the German police released a photo of a camper van, but was the photo taken near a significant beach?
It's a fact that the Portuguese searched three wells, but was that connected to the McCann investigation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 02, 2020, 11:03:49 AM
It depends on your perspective. Some question media reports, some seem to swallow them hook, line and sinker. In my opinion the media cloud the issues rather than clarify them.

It's a fact that the German police dug up an allotment, but is it a fact that they found a cellar?
It's a fact that the German police released a photo of a camper van, but was the photo taken near a significant beach?
It's a fact that the Portuguese searched three wells, but was that connected to the McCann investigation?
On another thread, it has been established the picture of the camper van was taken at Malaga.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 02, 2020, 11:20:05 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 11:16:15 AM
On another thread, it has been established the picture of the camper van was taken at Malaga.

The significance to Luz would be? which is what G unit is pointing out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 11:30:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2020, 11:20:05 AM
The significance to Luz would be? which is what G unit is pointing out.
Is that what the poster said re. Praia da Luz?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 02, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 11:30:00 AM
Is that what the poster said re. Praia da Luz?

A significant beach may mean a lot of things but in the context of the disappearance the significance of Malaga is as far removed as any other foreign beach.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
A significant beach may mean a lot of things but in the context of the disappearance the significance of Malaga is as far removed as any other foreign beach.
Not necessarily, considering sightings of Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 02, 2020, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 11:38:48 AM
Not necessarily, considering sightings of Madeleine.

Alleged sighting's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2020, 11:20:05 AM
The significance to Luz would be? which is what G unit is pointing out.
Will you please then explain what above comment is about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 02, 2020, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 11:38:48 AM
Not necessarily, considering sightings of Madeleine.

There’s not a part of the world Madeleine wasn’t seen in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 02, 2020, 11:51:23 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 11:45:26 AM
Will you please then explain what above comment is about?
Yes, by subtle omission the media will let the reader assume that the camper van is parked opposite the hot dog stand at Praia beach, some time in May 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 12:48:03 PM
Quote from: The General on August 02, 2020, 11:51:23 AM
Yes, by subtle omission the media will let the reader assume that the camper van is parked opposite the hot dog stand at Praia beach, some time in May 2007.
Is it then accepted that the picture was most probably taken at Malaga, Spain?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 02, 2020, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 12:48:03 PM
Is it then accepted that the picture was most probably taken at Malaga, Spain?
No idea. There's every chance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 02, 2020, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 12:48:03 PM
Is it then accepted that the picture was most probably taken at Malaga, Spain?

This one? That's the one I was referring to.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/05/15/29267646-8392475-image-a-109_1591368860715.jpg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 02, 2020, 01:40:09 PM
This one? That's the one I was referring to.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/05/15/29267646-8392475-image-a-109_1591368860715.jpg)
Yes, I believe that was at Malaga?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 02, 2020, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 01:46:19 PM
Yes, I believe that was at Malaga?

Was it? I missed that information. Who said it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on August 02, 2020, 03:34:55 PM
 This......
 The people who didn't know that side of him but who drank and socialised with him must be shocked to the core about the nature of the current investigation taking place and they may be thinking about things which meant nothing to them at the time but which have taken on a significance when viewed in a different light.
 One of my friends drank in the same pubs  as  Peter Sutcliffe who turned out to be The Yorkshire Ripper  ,every week.
 Such a nice timid kind of bloke . Shocked indeed !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on August 02, 2020, 03:34:55 PM
This......
 The people who didn't know that side of him but who drank and socialised with him must be shocked to the core about the nature of the current investigation taking place and they may be thinking about things which meant nothing to them at the time but which have taken on a significance when viewed in a different light.
 One of my friends drank in the same pubs  as  Peter Sutcliffe who turned out to be The Yorkshire Ripper  ,every week.
 Such a nice timid kind of bloke . Shocked indeed !

I was friends with the son of Sutcliffe's last victim.
He was surprisingly ok & well rounded for someone who's mother was a murdered prostitute.
It was his mothers £5 note, hidden in her purse, that helped to nail Sutcliffe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on August 02, 2020, 03:49:49 PM
 CB's lawyer  says similar of him  as  some said of Sutcliffe  "I don't recognise the person the media describes. I am able to describe him as a very calm and friendly person when I talk to him in prison," Mr Fulscher said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 02, 2020, 03:53:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 02, 2020, 11:03:49 AM
It depends on your perspective. Some question media reports, some seem to swallow them hook, line and sinker. In my opinion the media cloud the issues rather than clarify them.

It's a fact that the German police dug up an allotment, but is it a fact that they found a cellar?
It's a fact that the German police released a photo of a camper van, but was the photo taken near a significant beach?
It's a fact that the Portuguese searched three wells, but was that connected to the McCann investigation?
I would say yes, they found a cellar, or underground space.  It was widely reported and by many reputable news agencies, there was news footage of diggers, the neighbours claimed there was a pre-existing cellar so why do you have a problem accepting the possibility?  No idea on the camper van but why would the police make the claim if it wasn’t true?  Yes, I would say it was true that the police searched (more than) three wells in connection with the McCann case, what would be unlikely or surprising of them doing so, considering all the other recent activities concerning the case?   IMO, the media can be trusted to get the majority of facts more or less correct, and would be interested to hear about all the news stories reported in the last few years about this case that were a complete invention by the media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 02, 2020, 04:02:53 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 01:46:19 PM
Yes, I believe that was at Malaga?

It is a short drive from Luz to Malaga and we know he definitely went there to  pick up the three people involved in the competition.

But we know Brueckner had ease of access to anywhere he wanted to go in the Algarve or anywhere else for that matter.

I don't think there is any great significance to the location of the photograph apart from the fact it seems to have been used by Scotland Yard for some reference or other as it has a MET stamp on it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 02, 2020, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 02, 2020, 01:46:19 PM
Yes, I believe that was at Malaga?
No, I'm pretty sure that one was taken (probably by Brueckner himself and found on one of his USB drives, HDDs or camera flash cards) on Barranco beach (over 450 Km from Malaga) where he liked to hang out with his hippy friends.  OG probably obtained the same photo from the BKA.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&ei=SbkmX_vxMpCR8gKIraqoBw&q=malaga+to+barranco+beach+portugal+&oq=malaga+to+barranco+beach+portugal+&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIICCEQFhAdEB46BAgAEEdQ87MBWPXIAWDDywFoAHABeACAAZgBiAHuBZIBAzkuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwi7upuGyvzqAhWQiFwKHYiWCnUQ4dUDCAs&uact=5 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&ei=SbkmX_vxMpCR8gKIraqoBw&q=malaga+to+barranco+beach+portugal+&oq=malaga+to+barranco+beach+portugal+&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIICCEQFhAdEB46BAgAEEdQ87MBWPXIAWDDywFoAHABeACAAZgBiAHuBZIBAzkuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwi7upuGyvzqAhWQiFwKHYiWCnUQ4dUDCAs&uact=5)

Compare the similar vegetation on the cliffs behind and above the middle and front of the VW's roof..

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Barranco+Beach/@37.0422891,-8.8945072,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOxcr-ZKhNL6MtwVHgpAQMeqR242WYxpm9yneuT!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOxcr-ZKhNL6MtwVHgpAQMeqR242WYxpm9yneuT%3Dw152-h86-k-no!7i4608!8i2592!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0xd1b492582f42f2b:0x5f2bef0077e271f7!2sVila+do+Bispo,+Portugal!3b1!8m2!3d37.0829726!4d-8.9091832!3m4!1s0xd1b4bdbca2227e3:0x9e3d1e8b60d2cede!8m2!3d37.0422899!4d-8.8945082 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Barranco+Beach/@37.0422891,-8.8945072,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOxcr-ZKhNL6MtwVHgpAQMeqR242WYxpm9yneuT!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOxcr-ZKhNL6MtwVHgpAQMeqR242WYxpm9yneuT%3Dw152-h86-k-no!7i4608!8i2592!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0xd1b492582f42f2b:0x5f2bef0077e271f7!2sVila+do+Bispo,+Portugal!3b1!8m2!3d37.0829726!4d-8.9091832!3m4!1s0xd1b4bdbca2227e3:0x9e3d1e8b60d2cede!8m2!3d37.0422899!4d-8.8945082)

(https://i.imgur.com/KKugUPz.jpg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 02, 2020, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 02, 2020, 04:02:53 PM
It is a short drive from Luz to Malaga and we know he definitely went there to  pick up the three people involved in the competition.

But we know Brueckner had ease of access to anywhere he wanted to go in the Algarve or anywhere else for that matter.

I don't think there is any great significance to the location of the photograph apart from the fact it seems to have been used by Scotland Yard for some reference or other as it has a MET stamp on it.

The BKA released more photos:

https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 02, 2020, 05:01:28 PM
"A reward of € 10,000 is given for information that leads to the investigation of the crime! *"
https://www.bka.de/DE/Service/Kontakt/kontakt_node.html;jsessionid=EE5AC58935C3BDEB28E47E937BE6F547.live0601
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 02, 2020, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on August 02, 2020, 03:49:49 PM
CB's lawyer  says similar of him  as  some said of Sutcliffe  "I don't recognise the person the media describes. I am able to describe him as a very calm and friendly person when I talk to him in prison," Mr Fulscher said

And Sutcliffe was found guilty of some horrific crimes
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on August 02, 2020, 05:38:55 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on August 02, 2020, 03:49:49 PM
CB's lawyer  says similar of him  as  some said of Sutcliffe  "I don't recognise the person the media describes. I am able to describe him as a very calm and friendly person when I talk to him in prison," Mr Fulscher said

Typical psychopath.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 03, 2020, 02:56:14 AM
Picture of CB van at Malaga dock, probably a still from the "Trip of a Lifetime" video recorded by Germans who undertook the challenge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 03, 2020, 08:27:18 AM
Quote from: misty on August 03, 2020, 02:56:14 AM
Picture of CB van at Malaga dock, probably a still from the "Trip of a Lifetime" video recorded by Germans who undertook the challenge.

The bodywork looks a lot smarter there than it did in the video.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 03, 2020, 08:53:58 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 03, 2020, 08:27:18 AM
The bodywork looks a lot smarter there than it did in the video.
Looks like an old rustbucket to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: misty on August 03, 2020, 02:56:14 AM
Picture of CB van at Malaga dock, probably a still from the "Trip of a Lifetime" video recorded by Germans who undertook the challenge.

There is no doubt that Brueckner had access to and was driving that particular camper van shortly before Madeleine disappeared.

There is no doubt that Brueckner was not sporting long hair in the weeks prior to Madeleine's disappearance; quite the opposite in fact.
It has to be wondered why Amaral was at pains to say that he was to the extent that he provided a mock up showing how he alleged Brueckner looked at that time.
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"In 2007 there are people who claim that his figure is not with short hair. He looked like a hippie and wore long hair behind his back. And the cops know that," he said.

To consolidate his statements, Gonçalo Amaral himself decided to present a reconstruction of what the German would look like in the year that Maddie disappeared. Using an image of Brueckner in 2006, a year before Maddie's disappearance, and using an image manipulation program, the ex-PJ presented a photomontage of the suspect with long hair.

Amaral concludes his theory with the fact that most of the witnesses in the case stated that the suspect was similar to Madeleine McCann's father, allegations corroborated by the English police. "I wonder where this individual resembles Mr. Gerard McCann", he asks. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg603839#msg603839

The video which can be clearly dated was not in the public domain at the time he appeared in the media promoting that disinformation so it had a chance of sticking ... but we can see for ourselves that at a time Amaral was saying he wore his hair long Brueckner was more a short back and sides guy.

There is no doubt that there were no cartoons painted on the campervan when the video was taken.  When Amaral was rubbishing the German case in the media he never gave any detail about when these might have been added.

Amaral was more intent on pushing the perception that a van painted like that when Madeleine disappeared could not have been missed.
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To prove that something "does not fit" in this new investigation carried out by the German police, Gonçalo Amaral showed new images of the German's van in which there were several "graffiti" drawings that personalized it. "Do you think such a vehicle went unnoticed? " He asked. "It is necessary to know the reason why they changed the images of the motorhome".  https://www.flash.pt/atualidade/detalhe/goncalo-amaral-arrasa-investigacao-alema-sobre-caso-maddie-e-o-suspeito-quase-perfeito-so-seria-perfeito-se-estivesse-morto

Amaral certainly has fish to fry in trying to assure that his investigation into Madeleine's disappearance was not the botched job it is increasingly acknowledged to have been ...
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According to Diário de Notícias , Amaral said that the German was already investigated by the Judiciary Police at the time, "having been dismissed as a suspect" . https://zap.aeiou.pt/novo-suspeito-caso-maddie-goncalo-amaral-328495

Is that why Amaral is so keen to 'rubbish' the current investigation ... is his 'reputation' more important than finding out what happened to Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 08:57:43 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 03, 2020, 08:53:58 AM
Looks like an old rustbucket to me.

Absolutely.  His passengers must have been desperate to win the competition ... I would not have put a foot into it in fear I went through the floor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 03, 2020, 08:59:39 AM
Amaral is obviously terrified at the prospect that CB is going to be charged with these crimes and is doing everything in his power to muddy the waters.  What a nice man!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 03, 2020, 09:03:25 AM

I've had my suspicions about what Amaral is up to for quite some time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 09:06:52 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 02, 2020, 09:29:12 AM
Looks like another pandemic only affecting sceptics....the denial virus. It seems to have spraed rapidly affecting just about every succeptible person.


I said at the start that the Germans are just looking for a reason to keep CB in jail,

Just using Madeleine as that reason...hoping something else crops up

It's terrible how her name is constantly used to sell papers.

An insult to her memory IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 03, 2020, 09:18:00 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 01, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Nor the dark, long to the collar of Tanner’s.

Did she say to the collar?  I remember she said it was a bit longer than the drawing that went out.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2020, 09:49:16 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 08:57:43 AM
Absolutely.  His passengers must have been desperate to win the competition ... I would not have put a foot into it in fear I went through the floor.

Google maps puts the round trip PdL to wherever it was near Almeria at around 800km. I would have thought that that would have been quite expensive, particularly if the German passengers were limited to €10 a day.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on August 03, 2020, 09:51:55 AM
Quote from: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 09:06:52 AM

I said at the start that the Germans are just looking for a reason to keep CB in jail,

Just using Madeleine as that reason...hoping something else crops up

It's terrible how her name is constantly used to sell papers.

An insult to her memory IMO.

or if a child from another  country vanishes they call them that countrys maddie all children have their own name
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 11:11:43 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on August 03, 2020, 09:51:55 AM
or if a child from another  country vanishes they call them that countrys maddie all children have their own name

I don't follow your logic here ... how is that Madeleine's fault ... and why should she be criticised for it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2020, 11:14:22 AM
Quote from: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 09:06:52 AM

I said at the start that the Germans are just looking for a reason to keep CB in jail,

Just using Madeleine as that reason...hoping something else crops up

It's terrible how her name is constantly used to sell papers.

An insult to her memory IMO.

I think you are imagining things..the Germans don't need this case to keep CB locked up...I think you can't accept he's a genuine suspect and are looking to make excuses. It will be interesting to see what this concrete evidence is...then we will know the real likelihood of his involvement

The Germans are the best chance to get justice for Maddie from what I can see...and that's what's important
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 03, 2020, 12:05:45 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 03, 2020, 09:18:00 AM
Did she say to the collar?  I remember she said it was a bit longer than the drawing that went out.

I have posted the relevant passage. Can I suggest you scroll back and find it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 03, 2020, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: Carana on August 03, 2020, 09:49:16 AM
Google maps puts the round trip PdL to wherever it was near Almeria at around 800km. I would have thought that that would have been quite expensive, particularly if the German passengers were limited to €10 a day.

I doubt PJ confiscated his full supply of stolen diesel after arresting him the previous year.

It would be really interesting to know full details of the archiving of Hazel B's rape case, which seemed to have been open for considerably longer than Madeleine's case. Whilst the destruction of forensics, due to lack of suspects, is commonplace in Portugal, the timing of the order by the judge i.e.around 7 weeks before Madeleine disappeared, may have more sinister undertones.

https://extra.ie/2020/07/23/news/irish-news/hazel-behan-portugal-rape-investigation-reopens
*snipped*
Case files state that Ms Behan described the rapist as an English speaker who could be ‘German, Belgian or Dutch’.

Ms Behan’s underwear was among clothes passed to experts for lab analysis, along with a broken nail. Documents make it clear the biological material was obtained, but no DNA profile comparisons could be made because no suspects were identified.

Confirming the destruction of the potential evidence, the authorities said: ‘On March 15, 2007, when the judge decides to archive the investigation, the Public Ministry decide [sic] any biological material should be destroyed.
‘
As they are in a bad condition, it is improbable that if this reinvestigation was reopened the material could be subjected to counter-proof analysis.
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: misty on August 03, 2020, 12:12:51 PM
I doubt PJ confiscated his full supply of stolen diesel after arresting him the previous year.

It would be really interesting to know full details of the archiving of Hazel B's rape case, which seemed to have been open for considerably longer than Madeleine's case. Whilst the destruction of forensics, due to lack of suspects, is commonplace in Portugal, the timing of the order by the judge i.e.around 7 weeks before Madeleine disappeared, may have more sinister undertones.

https://extra.ie/2020/07/23/news/irish-news/hazel-behan-portugal-rape-investigation-reopens
*snipped*
Case files state that Ms Behan described the rapist as an English speaker who could be ‘German, Belgian or Dutch’.

Ms Behan’s underwear was among clothes passed to experts for lab analysis, along with a broken nail. Documents make it clear the biological material was obtained, but no DNA profile comparisons could be made because no suspects were identified.

Confirming the destruction of the potential evidence, the authorities said: ‘On March 15, 2007, when the judge decides to archive the investigation, the Public Ministry decide [sic] any biological material should be destroyed.
‘
As they are in a bad condition, it is improbable that if this reinvestigation was reopened the material could be subjected to counter-proof analysis.
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There is also his determination to keep his address secret at that time preferring instead to serve eight months in preventative custody.

At the time he lived in a dilapidated property on the outskirts of Luz but told the authorities he was living in the campervan in a scrap yard in Barrocal.

I believe the farmhouse near Luz is the property that his friend told police Brueckner had arranged to have 'burgled' and certain items removed from including the video camera ... and which was later cleaned up by the neighbours.
https://hugogloss.uol.com.br/mundo/caso-madeleine-mccann-ex-advogado-de-christian-brueckner-acredita-que-o-alemao-e-responsavel-pelo-sumico-da-menina-saiba-os-detalhes/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 01:00:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 11:14:22 AM
I think you are imagining things..the Germans don't need this case to keep CB locked up...I think you can't accept he's a genuine suspect and are looking to make excuses. It will be interesting to see what this concrete evidence is...then we will know the real likelihood of his involvement

The Germans are the best chance to get justice for Maddie from what I can see...and that's what's important

Words from his lawyer...seems is exactly what is happening.

This is interesting, though, a quote from Brueckner's lawyer: He also claimed the major new search, ahead of a crucial court decision that could free Bruecker, was an attempt to sway public opinion. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 03, 2020, 01:01:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 12:33:18 PM
There is also his determination to keep his address secret at that time preferring instead to serve eight months in preventative custody.

At the time he lived in a dilapidated property on the outskirts of Luz but told the authorities he was living in the campervan in a scrap yard in Barrocal.

I believe the farmhouse near Luz is the property that his friend told police Brueckner had arranged to have 'burgled' and certain items removed from including the video camera ... and which was later cleaned up by the neighbours.
https://hugogloss.uol.com.br/mundo/caso-madeleine-mccann-ex-advogado-de-christian-brueckner-acredita-que-o-alemao-e-responsavel-pelo-sumico-da-menina-saiba-os-detalhes/

Do we know what address his buddy & co-accused Michael Tatschl gave the PJ  when arrested?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 01:08:20 PM
Quote from: misty on August 03, 2020, 01:01:45 PM
Do we know what address his buddy & co-accused Michael Tatschl gave the PJ  when arrested?

No idea Misty.
Until you mentioned it I never gave it a thought forgetting that very many of these friends of Brueckner are people living on the fringes of society and I haven't quite tuned into them as yet.

But you can bet the German and British police have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2020, 01:10:06 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 01:00:35 PM
Words from his lawyer...seems is exactly what is happening.

This is interesting, though, a quote from Brueckner's lawyer: He also claimed the major new search, ahead of a crucial court decision that could free Bruecker, was an attempt to sway public opinion. 

I don't see how anything his lawyer says can be impartial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 03, 2020, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 03, 2020, 12:05:45 PM
I have posted the relevant passage. Can I suggest you scroll back and find it ?

Kate didn't say collar length hair,  I don't know why you said she did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 01:10:06 PM
I don't see how anything his lawyer says can be impartial

Because his lawyer probably knows anything they have on CB is nothing...apart from hearsay.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2020, 02:06:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 01:32:53 PM
Because his lawyer probably knows anything they have on CB is nothing...apart from hearsay.

How does his lawyer know that ...more guessing from you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 02:08:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 02:06:39 PM
How does his lawyer know that ...more guessing from you

Well do you honestly think the lawyer doesn't know anything....about what is going on
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2020, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 02:08:45 PM
Well do you honestly think the lawyer doesn't know anything....about what is going on

The lawyer doesnt know what evidence the German police have....I would have thought that was quite obvious after what HCW has said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 02:26:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 02:20:04 PM
The lawyer doesnt know what evidence the German police have....I would have thought that was quite obvious after what HCW has said

That's if they have any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 02:26:12 PM
That's if they have any.

Perhaps you hope they haven't.  But that most certainly flies in the evidence of a very active police investigation being conducted some of which is now in the public domain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 03, 2020, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 12:33:18 PM
There is also his determination to keep his address secret at that time preferring instead to serve eight months in preventative custody.

At the time he lived in a dilapidated property on the outskirts of Luz but told the authorities he was living in the campervan in a scrap yard in Barrocal.

I believe the farmhouse near Luz is the property that his friend told police Brueckner had arranged to have 'burgled' and certain items removed from including the video camera ... and which was later cleaned up by the neighbours.
https://hugogloss.uol.com.br/mundo/caso-madeleine-mccann-ex-advogado-de-christian-brueckner-acredita-que-o-alemao-e-responsavel-pelo-sumico-da-menina-saiba-os-detalhes/

In my opinion he was jailed for stealing diesel, not for refusing to disclose his address.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 03, 2020, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 02:20:04 PM
The lawyer doesnt know what evidence the German police have....I would have thought that was quite obvious after what HCW has said
Dav, if he committed the crime, I think he'd have a pretty good idea what they are referring to. It's a simple process of elimination. In addition, despite HCW attempting to be all clandestine and mysterious, he's played his hand - they appealed for information re: the vehicles and the user of the phone number. So he's sat there in his, apparently cushy, prison cell checking off the items on a list. If he did it, there's only so much 'evidence' left. This isn't an Evidence Tombola; there's a finite number of facets it could conceivably be, all of which he will be aware of.
Example: a witness? No, obviously not, as they would be using it right now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2020, 03:05:40 PM
Quote from: The General on August 03, 2020, 03:01:34 PM
Dav, if he committed the crime, I think he'd have a pretty good idea what they are referring to. It's a simple process of elimination. In addition, despite HCW attempting to be all clandestine and mysterious, he's played his hand - they appealed for information re: the vehicles and the user of the phone number. So he's sat there in his, apparently cushy, prison cell checking off the items on a list. If he did it, there's only so much 'evidence' left. This isn't an Evidence Tombola; there's a finite number of facets it could conceivably be, all of which he will be aware of.
Example: a witness? No, obviously not, as they would be using it right now.

You think....and yoou think the concrete evidence is the dogs and the phone pings...that doesnt fit the facts imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 03, 2020, 03:12:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 03:05:40 PM
You think....and yoou think the concrete evidence is the dogs and the phone pings...that doesnt fit the facts imo
If it's not enough to go forward with for a prosecution, then it's circumstantial.
So how many categories of evidence are left, it's not infinite. And, as I said, if he did it he will know what it is - it's not some magic poison residue only found in certain models of Jaguar XJ6, it's basic evidence and it's pretty easy to check the boxes.

Hazard a guess, Dav, what could it conceivably be?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2020, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: The General on August 03, 2020, 03:12:44 PM
If it's not enough to go forward with for a prosecution, then it's circumstantial.
So how many categories of evidence are left, it's not infinite. And, as I said, if he did it he will know what it is - it's not some magic poison residue only found in certain models of Jaguar XJ6, it's basic evidence and it's pretty easy to check the boxes.

Hazard a guess, Dav, what could it conceivably be?


Circumstantial can be enough...see Gilroy. ...but perhaps HCW thinks theres mre. I think it may be images on the memory sticks ...I've already said why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 03, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 03:18:26 PM

Circumstantial can be enough...see Gilroy. ...but perhaps HCW thinks theres mre. I think it may be images on the memory sticks ...I've already said why.
The only way images makes sense is if they actually depict MM in some way. If they did, then they could link them back to him in a number of ways, physically and digitally (they were allegedly found on his previous property, under his previously alive dead dog, maybe even have fingerprints all over them and pictures of him, etc).
So why then need further corroboration, when the images should be enough. I understand holding out for the big fish and not using what they have for the lesser charge, but push would have come to shove by now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2020, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: The General on August 03, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
The only way images makes sense is if they actually depict MM in some way. If they did, then they could link them back to him in a number of ways, physically and digitally (they were allegedly found on his previous property, under his previously alive dead dog, maybe even have fingerprints all over them and pictures of him, etc).
So why then need further corroboration, when the images should be enough. I understand holding out for the big fish and not using what they have for the lesser charge, but push would have come to shove by now.

I can think of scenarios taht would fit but you wouldnt accept them so I wont post them. We need to wait and see...little point in speculation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: The General on August 03, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
The only way images makes sense is if they actually depict MM in some way. If they did, then they could link them back to him in a number of ways, physically and digitally (they were allegedly found on his previous property, under his previously alive dead dog, maybe even have fingerprints all over them and pictures of him, etc).
So why then need further corroboration, when the images should be enough. I understand holding out for the big fish and not using what they have for the lesser charge, but push would have come to shove by now.


Lets say they have images showing the abuse of maddie..if you think thats far fetched its happened before with a boy abducted from portugal...and the images provide evidence but not proof to a link with CB. Then HCW could rightly say he thinks Maddie is dead...as thats what usually happens ...but he doesnt have proof
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 03:05:40 PM
You think....and yoou think the concrete evidence is the dogs and the phone pings...that doesnt fit the facts imo

Well, the fact could be that GA was right that a scapegoat was going to be used, imo

But went pear shaped.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2020, 03:51:26 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 03:47:46 PM
Well, the fact could be that GA was right that a scapegoat was going to be used, imo

But went pear shaped.

I think thats  a typical ridiculous amaral idea...you cant ...and neither can he....tell us why the germans would employ 100 police to serach an allotmnet  to provide a scapegaot
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 03:53:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 03:51:26 PM
I think thats  a typical ridiculous amaral idea...you cant ...and neither can he....tell us why the germans would employ 100 police to serach an allotmnet  to provide a scapegaot

I think its no more than wanting to find something ...anything to keep him in prison.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2020, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 03:53:20 PM
I think its no more than wanting to find something ...anything to keep him in prison.

they have lots to keep him prison...other missing children...the other rape case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 03, 2020, 04:06:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 03:56:38 PM
they have lots to keep him prison...other missing children...the other rape case


Why don't they know what is going on then if it was anything to do with maddie.

Relations between officials investigating the case have also become strained as Scotland Yard continues to treat their investigation as a “missing persons” case and state that German authorities have not revealed evidence that Maddie is dead.

Police in Portugal have also been searching wells in Vila do Bispo – just a 10-minute drive from the Ocean Club resort Maddie vanished from – but authorities in Germany and Britain say they are unaware of what prompted the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2020, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 22, 2020, 01:58:24 AM
Amazing that not only is Amaral continuing to promote the flawed narrative which set the police off on entirely the wrong tack ... he is continuing to embellish it.

In 2007 he had an excuse.  The Court seems to have been remiss in passing on Brueckmer's history of child sexual offences, so easy to have overlooked him particularly if you weren't looking for someone like him.

Absolutely no excuse now in the light of present revelations regarding Bruekner and his acceptance that he fits the profile of the guy he should have been looking for in 2007, Amaral is continuing his myopic bungling and name calling.

The painted van is a classic I think.  Ranking alongside the old lady and the cremation saga.  It will be interesting to see how or if the story of Amaral's input develops.  I don't 'do' twitter but from what I know it should be wild later on today.

He had mugshots taken by the PJ twice:

- In 1999 (when he was to be extradited for child sex offences)
https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-portugal-reopen-rape-investigation-after-claim-against-madeleine-mccann-suspect-12033629

and

- In 2006, over the diesel theft (the one with the messy hair that Amaral used as a basis to turn him into a rastaman).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2020, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 12:33:18 PM
There is also his determination to keep his address secret at that time preferring instead to serve eight months in preventative custody.

At the time he lived in a dilapidated property on the outskirts of Luz but told the authorities he was living in the campervan in a scrap yard in Barrocal.

I believe the farmhouse near Luz is the property that his friend told police Brueckner had arranged to have 'burgled' and certain items removed from including the video camera ... and which was later cleaned up by the neighbours.
https://hugogloss.uol.com.br/mundo/caso-madeleine-mccann-ex-advogado-de-christian-brueckner-acredita-que-o-alemao-e-responsavel-pelo-sumico-da-menina-saiba-os-detalhes/

It's not always clear which house the media are referring to.

One, which looks perfectly normal to me from the outside (i.e., not dilapidated), is the white one with coloured window frames, in Monte Judeu (less than 15 mins to Figueira - and about 150m from a Steiner-type pre-school facility). The caption says "Lagos", but it's in Monte Judeu. I believe that's the one an English neighbour was asked to clean up, at the request of the British owner, and found bits of computers and apparently a bag with wigs / party costume stuff.

The other one, closer to PdL, appears to be the "ramshackle" one.
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/NINTCHDBPICT000587263753.jpg)

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2020, 05:07:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 03, 2020, 03:00:35 PM
In my opinion he was jailed for stealing diesel, not for refusing to disclose his address.

According to his lawyer at the time (ITV doc), he was held on remand as he wouldn't / couldn't provide a fixed address and was a flight risk, until the end of the investigation / trial in December.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on August 03, 2020, 06:06:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 03, 2020, 03:42:22 PM

Lets say they have images showing the abuse of maddie..if you think thats far fetched its happened before with a boy abducted from portugal...and the images provide evidence but not proof to a link with CB. Then HCW could rightly say he thinks Maddie is dead...as thats what usually happens ...but he doesnt have proof

I'm inclined to think something similar. Images would provide evidence of Madeleine's status, but not necessarily a link between Madeleine and Bruekner himself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on August 03, 2020, 06:18:49 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 02:55:57 PM
Perhaps you hope they haven't.  But that most certainly flies in the evidence of a very active police investigation being conducted some of which is now in the public domain.

Quite honestly, the idea that several police forces now in PT, England, and Germany (and possibly elsewhere for all we know) would be conducting extensive investigations into CB relative to his possible link to MM based on nothing concrete is preposterous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 03, 2020, 06:37:45 PM
Quote from: Carana on August 03, 2020, 05:01:07 PM
It's not always clear which house the media are referring to.

One, which looks perfectly normal to me from the outside (i.e., not dilapidated), is the white one with coloured window frames, in Monte Judeu (less than 15 mins to Figueira - and about 150m from a Steiner-type pre-school facility). The caption says "Lagos", but it's in Monte Judeu. I believe that's the one an English neighbour was asked to clean up, at the request of the British owner, and found bits of computers and apparently a bag with wigs / party costume stuff.

The other one, closer to PdL, appears to be the "ramshackle" one.

This is the dilapidated property which British woman Ruth Maclean was asked to clear out...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Faro+District,+Portugal/@37.0942311,-8.7175651,67a,35y,69.33h,39.48t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd0554ee55d1cfef:0x80e2652e12910e45!8m2!3d37.0179538!4d-7.930834 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Faro+District,+Portugal/@37.0942311,-8.7175651,67a,35y,69.33h,39.48t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd0554ee55d1cfef:0x80e2652e12910e45!8m2!3d37.0179538!4d-7.930834)

Even though the imagery/map data reads 2020 (bottom right) the house has since been renovated with a completely new roof, front terrace, re-rendered white-painted walls and yellow-painted window surrounds (attached).

Ruth Maclean speaking about the clean up, around 4:05 onwards...

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447 (https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2020, 06:56:33 PM
Quote from: Myster on August 03, 2020, 06:37:45 PM
This is the dilapidated property which British woman Ruth Maclean was asked to clear out...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Faro+District,+Portugal/@37.0942311,-8.7175651,67a,35y,69.33h,39.48t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd0554ee55d1cfef:0x80e2652e12910e45!8m2!3d37.0179538!4d-7.930834 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Faro+District,+Portugal/@37.0942311,-8.7175651,67a,35y,69.33h,39.48t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd0554ee55d1cfef:0x80e2652e12910e45!8m2!3d37.0179538!4d-7.930834)

Even though the imagery/map data reads 2020 (bottom right) the house has since been renovated with a completely new roof, front terrace, re-rendered white-painted walls and yellow-painted window surrounds (attached).

Ruth Maclean speaking about the clean up, around 4:05 onwards...

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447 (https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/madeleine-mccann-os-caminhos-que-apontam-para-christian-bruckner_v1240447)


Ah! Ok, I was wondering why I recalled one with yellow window frames, but the Monte Judeu one has blue ones.

So the one with the yellow ones is the former ramshackle place just outside PdL?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 03, 2020, 07:03:19 PM
Quote from: Carana on August 03, 2020, 06:56:33 PM

Ah! Ok, I was wondering why I recalled one with yellow window frames, but the Monte Judeu one has blue ones.

So the one with the yellow ones is the former ramshackle place just outside PdL?
Spot on... and only a short downhill walk to Casa Jacaranda where the elderly American woman was horrendously assaulted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2020, 08:08:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on August 03, 2020, 07:03:19 PM
Spot on... and only a short downhill walk to Casa Jacaranda where the elderly American woman was horrendously assaulted.

In Kate's book (which I don't have to hand and so from memory), she mentioned a lady telling her she'd noticed headlights up Rocha da Negra way, and when she told the police, they'd said it was probably the GNR.

Might just be coincidence...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 03, 2020, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: Carana on August 03, 2020, 05:07:44 PM
According to his lawyer at the time (ITV doc), he was held on remand as he wouldn't / couldn't provide a fixed address and was a flight risk, until the end of the investigation / trial in December.

So he was remanded in custody rather than being freed on bail to await trial. That makes sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: Carana on August 03, 2020, 05:07:44 PM
According to his lawyer at the time (ITV doc), he was held on remand as he wouldn't / couldn't provide a fixed address and was a flight risk, until the end of the investigation / trial in December.

In my opinion there never was any question that Brueckner was jailed for refusing to disclose his address although now that Gunit has raised the issue ... in a roundabout way he actually was :)
An address could have been his get out of jail card.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2020, 09:16:11 AM
A page from a court document in Sandra's TV report that Myster kindly dug out a page or so page:

"O arguido em causa encontra-se sujeito a prisão preventiva".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 04, 2020, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: Carana on August 04, 2020, 09:16:11 AM
A page from a court document in Sandra's TV report that Myster kindly dug out a page or so page:

"O arguido em causa encontra-se sujeito a prisão preventiva".

As a flight risk.

I think that same reason may stand n the way of his current appeal for release.  Thursday ??? will reveal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 04, 2020, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 04, 2020, 10:02:18 AM
As a flight risk.

I think that same reason may stand n the way of his current appeal for release.  Thursday ??? will reveal.
Well the fact that he won't even be there, he'll be sat in his cell in Kiel, I would suggest that his flight risk is currently nil. Unless he's equally as adept at climbing out of windows as he allegedly is in to them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 04, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: The General on August 04, 2020, 10:07:20 AM
Well the fact that he won't even be there, he'll be sat in his cell in Kiel, I would suggest that his flight risk is currently nil. Unless he's equally as adept at climbing out of windows as he allegedly is in to them.

Do you have any interest at all in current events regarding Brueckner?  I think that post suggests only your complete ignorance.  Think about it, please, and you will latch onto my meaning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 04, 2020, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 04, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
Do you have any interest at all in current events regarding Brueckner?  I think that post suggests only your complete ignorance.  Think about it, please, and you will latch onto my meaning.

That was just a wind up.  No one actually wants Breuckner  wandering around The Continent of Europe unchecked.  Or Britain for that matter, although Britain might be the easy option these days.  He could finish up living next door to your elderly Mother or your Granddaughters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2020, 11:07:36 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 03, 2020, 11:16:01 PM
In my opinion there never was any question that Brueckner was jailed for refusing to disclose his address although now that Gunit has raised the issue ... in a roundabout way he actually was :)
An address could have been his get out of jail card.

Unless he was concerned that the police might actually check out his residence and stumble upon evidence of other crimes....

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 04, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 04, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
Do you have any interest at all in current events regarding Brueckner?  I think that post suggests only your complete ignorance.  Think about it, please, and you will latch onto my meaning.
I caught your meaning, and, given that the concept was so facile, actual thinking wasn't required.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 06, 2020, 10:26:36 AM
At least they'll know where he is for a good while yet. Caveat google translate.

Christian B. has to accept a setback at the ECJ


An advocate general of the European Court of Justice has come to the conclusion that Christian B. could be convicted in Germany for rape in Portugal - although he had been extradited for another crime.

C.hristian B., the suspect in the Maddie case, has suffered a setback in his efforts to get his release from prison. An advocate general of the European Court of Justice came to the conclusion in a legal opinion on Thursday that the 43-year-old German could be convicted of the rape of an American woman in December 2019 by the Braunschweig Regional Court . The opinion is not binding for the ECJ judges, but mostly they follow the assessment of the responsible advocate general.

Specifically, the ECJ proceedings are about Christian B. calling for the rape judgment to be overturned because he was originally extradited to Germany on the basis of a European arrest warrant for another crime. He points out that EU rules for the European arrest warrant prohibit someone from being prosecuted for other crimes committed before extradition.

According to the legal opinion, this regulation is irrelevant in the event that the man had in the meantime left Germany voluntarily and only came back to Germany via a new European arrest warrant. This was carried out by authorities in Italy - who also agreed to the man being prosecuted and convicted of rape. In this case, in the opinion of the Advocate General, the restrictions on the first arrest warrant no longer apply.
The proceedings are also relevant because of the possible effects on the case of the British Madeleine "Maddie" McCann, who disappeared 13 years ago: If the ECJ ruled the man , he might not be tried in Germany. The man is now suspected of kidnapping the three-year-old British woman from a holiday resort in the Portuguese Algarve in 2007. The German investigators assume that the girl is dead.

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/kriminalitaet/fall-maddie-mccann-verdaechtiger-muss-rueckschlag-am-eugh-hinnehmen-16892596.html?GEPC=s33
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 06, 2020, 10:30:29 AM
Sky's report.

https://news.sky.com/story/germany-did-not-follow-correct-extradition-procedures-for-madeleine-mccann-suspect-court-says-12043451

Germany did not follow correct extradition procedures for Madeleine McCann suspect, court says
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 06, 2020, 10:32:40 AM
The Sun

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12315839/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-free/

MADDIE BLOW Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B ‘could walk free ANY DAY’ after court told rape conviction extradition WAS illegal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 06, 2020, 10:34:18 AM
Erm... so which is it?  Article 1 or article 2?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 06, 2020, 10:35:31 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 06, 2020, 10:34:18 AM
Erm... so which is it?  Article 1 or article 2?

Good question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 06, 2020, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 06, 2020, 10:32:40 AM
The Sun

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12315839/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-free/

MADDIE BLOW Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B ‘could walk free ANY DAY’ after court told rape conviction extradition WAS illegal

Some newspapers seem to be saying the exact opposite...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 06, 2020, 01:35:19 PM
So can you believe anything they write?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599435/Germany-sought-Italys-okay-extradite-McCann-suspect-EU-court-adviser-says.html?ito=push-notification&ci=26789&si=10306854


Relief for Madeleine McCann investigators after the EU's top court moves to throw out suspect Christian Bruekner's bid for freedom
The EU's top court moved to block Christian Bruekner's bid for freedom today
German was extradited to Germany from Italy under the warrant in 2018 and convicted and sentenced for the rape of an American woman in Portugal in 2019
The 43-year-old argued that he had been extradited for a drugs charge and wrongly imprisoned for rape
His argument was thrown out, meaning that he will likely remain behind bars
This will allow Madeleine McCann investigators more time to gather sufficient evidence to build a case against him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 06, 2020, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 06, 2020, 01:35:19 PM
So can you believe anything they write?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599435/Germany-sought-Italys-okay-extradite-McCann-suspect-EU-court-adviser-says.html?ito=push-notification&ci=26789&si=10306854


Relief for Madeleine McCann investigators after the EU's top court moves to throw out suspect Christian Bruekner's bid for freedom
The EU's top court moved to block Christian Bruekner's bid for freedom today
German was extradited to Germany from Italy under the warrant in 2018 and convicted and sentenced for the rape of an American woman in Portugal in 2019
The 43-year-old argued that he had been extradited for a drugs charge and wrongly imprisoned for rape
His argument was thrown out, meaning that he will likely remain behind bars
This will allow Madeleine McCann investigators more time to gather sufficient evidence to build a case against him

If you read it carefully you can
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 06, 2020, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 06, 2020, 02:12:55 PM
If you read it carefully you can

It was in reply to your previous post ...so seems you should have read that properly.

what you put.

MADDIE BLOW Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B ‘could walk free ANY DAY’ after court told rape conviction extradition WAS illegal

Some newspapers seem to be saying the exact opposite...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 06, 2020, 02:41:36 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 06, 2020, 02:37:14 PM
It was in reply to your previous post ...so seems you should have read that properly.

what you put.

MADDIE BLOW Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B ‘could walk free ANY DAY’ after court told rape conviction extradition WAS illegal

Some newspapers seem to be saying the exact opposite...

Now I've read both I can see where the confusion is....the conviction looks as though it will stand

It's the ECJ opinion that's important not the CJEU
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 06, 2020, 02:44:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 06, 2020, 02:41:36 PM
Now I've read both I can see where the confusion is....the conviction looks as though it will stand

Correct
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 06, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
The sun has kind of backtracked.

The case, at the European Court of Justice (ECJ) in Luxembourg, hinges on a legal point relating to his extradition to Germany from Portugal and later Italy.

There was confusion this morning when Reuters reported the sex offender could be freed within days because the European arrest warrant issued cited the drugs conviction but not the rape charge.

However, this preliminary opinion by Advocate General Michal Bobek is not binding and the rest of the court sided with German prosecutors, Press Association reports.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12315839/madeleine-mccann-suspect-chrisitian-b-wins-appeal-dashed/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 06, 2020, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 06, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
The sun has kind of backtracked.

The case, at the European Court of Justice (ECJ) in Luxembourg, hinges on a legal point relating to his extradition to Germany from Portugal and later Italy.

There was confusion this morning when Reuters reported the sex offender could be freed within days because the European arrest warrant issued cited the drugs conviction but not the rape charge.

However, this preliminary opinion by Advocate General Michal Bobek is not binding and the rest of the court sided with German prosecutors, Press Association reports.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12315839/madeleine-mccann-suspect-chrisitian-b-wins-appeal-dashed/

The Sun quoted the Advocate General from the CJEU wheras the the Mail quoted the AG from the ECJ......It's the ECJ thatt counts and thats where the confusion has arisen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 06, 2020, 05:29:14 PM
So he’s not getting out anytime soon?  Good.  Disappointment for his supporters though I guess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 06, 2020, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 06, 2020, 05:29:14 PM
So he’s not getting out anytime soon?  Good. Disappointment for his supporters though I guess.

Can't see why - it's something he's been found guilty of
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 06, 2020, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 06, 2020, 05:31:14 PM
Can't see why - it's something he's been found guilty of
I’m sure there are some people somewhere who hoped he would be walking free today, people who feel he has been terribly badly treated by the justice system and the media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 06, 2020, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 06, 2020, 05:43:47 PM
I’m sure there are some people somewhere who hoped he would be walking free today, people who feel he has been terribly badly treated by the justice system and the media.

As far as I can tell the only people who feel he has been treated badly/unfairly has been the has beens of the EU 'justice' has beens . AND ofcourse human rights lawyers. And the community of unity paedophiles like CB!

The 'friends who knew and girlfriends who also knew FOR SURE, should be strung by the neck along side him...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 06, 2020, 06:07:08 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on August 06, 2020, 06:02:53 PM
As far as I can tell the only people who feel he has been treated badly/unfairly has been the has beens of the EU 'justice' has beens . AND ofcourse human rights lawyers. And the community of unity paedophiles like CB!

The 'friends who knew and girlfriends who also knew FOR SURE, should be strung by the neck along side him...

Or they got their 15 minutes and their 30 pieces.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 06, 2020, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 06, 2020, 06:07:08 PM
Or they got their 15 minutes and their 30 pieces.

Well  you also have to wonder about that too.  There was a substantial reward on offer in the beginning...

It didn't seem to bother them much then did it?

 He is an evil cretin for sure, doesn't mean he did abducted MBM.

However, that would be one interesting court case for sure.  How did he enter and exit that apartment?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 06, 2020, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on August 06, 2020, 06:02:53 PM
As far as I can tell the only people who feel he has been treated badly/unfairly has been the has beens of the EU 'justice' has beens . AND ofcourse human rights lawyers. And the community of unity paedophiles like CB!

The 'friends who knew and girlfriends who also knew FOR SURE, should be strung by the neck along side him...

I think it possible that he had an accomplice as is alleged with regard to the burglaries where he seemed to be at pains to enter only empty properties and it is suggested his accomplice checked on that for him.

I don't think it is just as cut and dried as far as his sexual behaviour is concerned.  It is possible that people who may have thought they knew him quite well really didn't know that side of him at all.

He acted alone when he tortured and raped the american woman.
We don't know if he was responsible for the torture and rape of the Irish woman but her assailant acted on his own.

I think he is a very complex character and I just don't think that however well people thought they knew him I don't think we can assume they had a hand in all of his activities.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 06, 2020, 06:44:13 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 06, 2020, 06:35:33 PM
I think it possible that he had an accomplice as is alleged with regard to the burglaries where he seemed to be at pains to enter only empty properties and it is suggested his accomplice checked on that for him.

I don't think it is just as cut and dried as far as his sexual behaviour is concerned.  It is possible that people who may have thought they knew him quite well really didn't know that side of him at all.

He acted alone when he tortured and raped the american woman.
We don't know if he was responsible for the torture and rape of the Irish woman but her assailant acted on his own.

I think he is a very complex character and I just don't think that however well people thought they knew him I don't think we can assume they had a hand in all of his activities.

I feel quite certain he has shown that side of himself to someone other than his victims. His behavior would change for sure, just before and after carrying out these atrocities. He would not have a 'normal' loving sexual relationship for sure.

An accomplice?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 06, 2020, 07:08:40 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on August 06, 2020, 06:44:13 PM
I feel quite certain he has shown that side of himself to someone other than his victims. His behavior would change for sure, just before and after carrying out these atrocities. He would not have a 'normal' loving sexual relationship for sure.

An accomplice?

In my opinion people with a record like Brueckner's are unlikely to behave or react as 'normal' people might be expected to.
What is 'normal' for him might be beyond the ken of any casual or close relationship.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 06, 2020, 07:17:11 PM
Two episodes of Cracker and we’re experts on human behaviour...sheeeesh !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 06, 2020, 07:26:42 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 06, 2020, 07:08:40 PM
In my opinion people with a record like Brueckner's are unlikely to behave or react as 'normal' people might be expected to.
What is 'normal' for him might be beyond the ken of any casual or close relationship.

In your opinion as a qualified Psychologist, Psychiatrist or a retired school teacher who wants him to be guilty...

I don't know who or what Cracker is- a biscuit? Nasty, evil Humans who pretend to be nice can't keep up that presence all the time. The mask eventually falls- even if briefly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 06, 2020, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on August 06, 2020, 07:26:42 PM
In your opinion as a qualified Psychologist, Psychiatrist or a retired school teacher who wants him to be guilty...

I don't know who or what Cracker is- a biscuit? Nasty, evil Humans who pretend to be nice can't keep up that presence all the time. The mask eventually falls- even if briefly.

Are they 'pretending' though?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 06, 2020, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on August 06, 2020, 07:26:42 PM
In your opinion as a qualified Psychologist, Psychiatrist or a retired school teacher who wants him to be guilty...

I don't know who or what Cracker is- a biscuit? Nasty, evil Humans who pretend to be nice can't keep up that presence all the time. The mask eventually falls- even if briefly.

Cracker was a criminal profiler played by Robbie Coltraine,back some years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 06, 2020, 09:01:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 06, 2020, 08:22:55 PM
Cracker was a criminal profiler played by Robbie Coltraine,back some years ago.


I have  a feeling he was based on the profiler who was convinced Colin Stagg was guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 07, 2020, 06:41:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 06, 2020, 09:01:47 PM

I have  a feeling he was based on the profiler who was convinced Colin Stagg was guilty.
That showed up profiling for what it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 07, 2020, 07:55:53 AM
At least its fairly certain CB will be staying where he belongs...in jail...for a long time to come.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 07, 2020, 08:01:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 07:55:53 AM
At least its fairly certain CB will be staying where he belongs...in jail...for a long time to come.
Well said that man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 07, 2020, 08:31:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 07:55:53 AM
At least its fairly certain CB will be staying where he belongs...in jail...for a long time to come.

Nowt wrong with that, doesn't make him complicit in the disappearance of Madeleine though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 07, 2020, 08:44:01 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 07, 2020, 08:31:23 AM
Nowt wrong with that, doesn't make him complicit in the disappearance of Madeleine though.

No that will depend on the evidence and HCW says he has concrete evidence he is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 08:44:01 AM
No that will depend on the evidence and HCW says he has concrete evidence he is

Yet he hasn’t even arrest him yet.....and round and round we go.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 07, 2020, 11:12:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 07:55:53 AM
At least its fairly certain CB will be staying where he belongs...in jail...for a long time to come.

Won't that depend on the findings of the ECJ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 07, 2020, 11:20:39 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 07, 2020, 11:12:04 AM
Won't that depend on the findings of the ECJ?
That's why I said seems. The Advocate General has already spoken and the ECJ normally follows his advice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 07, 2020, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 11:02:31 AM
Yet he hasn’t even arrest him yet.....and round and round we go.

Perhaps the Germans have access to the same money tree that Grange are using, so time isn't important.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 07, 2020, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 07, 2020, 11:40:08 AM
Perhaps the Germans have access to the same money tree that Grange are using, so time isn't important.

Isn't the prosecutor off on his hols atm?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 07, 2020, 11:56:58 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 07, 2020, 11:53:55 AM
Isn't the prosecutor off on his hols atm?
As I said yesterday it's going to take some time to analyse the forensics from the dig...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:08:14 PM

Bruekner certainly has Legal Rights, but so do his Victims.  Or should we not care about them?

Seven Years for a seriously violent Rape against an old woman is a disgrace, so he isn't actually being treated badly, is he.

Germany needs to have another look at their Sentencing Procedure.  And that's a Fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:10:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 07, 2020, 11:53:55 AM
Isn't the prosecutor off on his hols atm?

What has that got to do with anything?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 07, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:08:14 PM
Bruekner certainly has Legal Rights, but so do his Victims.  Or should we not care about them?

Seven Years for a seriously violent Rape against an old woman is a disgrace, so he isn't actually being treated badly, is he.

Germany needs to have another look at their Sentencing Procedure.  And that's a Fact.

It may be that the victim was too traumatised to give evidence so it would be difficult to prove everything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
It may be that the victim was too traumatised to give evidence so it would be difficult to prove everything

I thought that there is a Video.  Am I wrong about that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 07, 2020, 12:12:18 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:10:00 PM
What has that got to do with anything?


I think there is an attempt by some to imply that the German investigation isnt serious. ithe investigation undermines amaarl and his theories
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 07, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
I thought that there is a Video.  Am I wrong about that?

I don't  it was produced as evidence or seen by the prosecution.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on August 07, 2020, 12:15:07 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:08:14 PM
Bruekner certainly has Legal Rights, but so do his Victims.  Or should we not care about them?

Seven Years for a seriously violent Rape against an old woman is a disgrace, so he isn't actually being treated badly, is he.

Germany needs to have another look at their Sentencing Procedure.  And that's a Fact.
Is it really not possible to use the term elderly lady instead of old woman .?
You’ll be elderly yourself one day so wouldn’t you expect the same courtesy given instead of something from a Nursery Rhyme ?
The law sets out the terms of sentence but you think it ought to be changed ? To what and for what reason ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 12:12:18 PM

I think there is an attempt by some to imply that the German investigation isnt serious. ithe investigation undermines amaarl and his theories

Prosecutors and Policemen take Holidays.  Utterly pathetic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
I don't  it was produced as evidence or seen by the prosecution.

So an everyday, ordinary Rape gets Seven Years. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 07, 2020, 12:22:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:08:14 PM
Bruekner certainly has Legal Rights, but so do his Victims.  Or should we not care about them?

Seven Years for a seriously violent Rape against an old woman is a disgrace, so he isn't actually being treated badly, is he.

Germany needs to have another look at their Sentencing Procedure.  And that's a Fact.
Actually, holistically and as a policy, they don't. They have some of the lowest overall recidivism and incarceration rates in the western world, so they're doing something right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:24:34 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on August 07, 2020, 12:15:07 PM
Is it really not possible to use the term elderly lady instead of old woman .?
You’ll be elderly yourself one day so wouldn’t you expect the same courtesy given instead of something from a Nursery Rhyme ?
The law sets out the terms of sentence but you think it ought to be changed ? To what and for what reason ?

I am an Old Woman.  The term doesn't offend me.  Old Women obviously need protecting from vile persons like him.

Or do you think she was asking for it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:26:16 PM
Quote from: The General on August 07, 2020, 12:22:12 PM
Actually, holistically and as a policy, they don't. They have some of the lowest overall recidivism and incarceration rates in the western world, so they're doing something right.

Not with Bruekner, they're not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 12:27:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
I thought that there is a Video.  Am I wrong about that?

It was destroyed by the person who found it...conveniently. The police never got to see it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:24:34 PM
I am an Old Woman.  The term doesn't offend me.  Old Women obviously need protecting from vile persons like him.

Or do you think she was asking for it?

That’s unfair...Snowgirl didn’t even suggest that.

It’s unlike you to put words in people’s mouths....that’s usually the habit of your fellow supporters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 12:27:13 PM
It was destroyed by the person who found it...conveniently. The police never got to see it.

So we can't even be sure if this happened, apart from One Hair brought in by The Cat, he said.

I would Appeal if I was him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 12:37:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:33:08 PM
So we can't even be sure if this happened, apart from One Hair brought in by The Cat, he said.

I would Appeal if I was him.

There was the victim’s testimony.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:41:11 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 12:30:23 PM
That’s unfair...Snowgirl didn’t even suggest that.

It’s unlike you to put words in people’s mouths....that’s usually the habit of your fellow supporters.

I was simply asking a question.  To which Snowgirl is not obliged to reply.

I am an Old Woman, who would not be without the bounds of the likes of Brueckner.

And why should I be ashamed of being an Old Woman?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 12:37:43 PM
There was the victim’s testimony.

You mean that The Victim said that The Cat brought in one of Breuckner's hairs?

Good heavens, what is he doing in jail?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 07, 2020, 12:44:14 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:26:16 PM
Not with Bruekner, they're not.
Yeh, that's not what I said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: The General on August 07, 2020, 12:44:14 PM
Yeh, that's not what I said.

But they don't always get it right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 07, 2020, 12:49:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
It may be that the victim was too traumatised to give evidence so it would be difficult to prove everything

I found this when reading about the result of Brueckner's appeal ...

Snip
The widow raped by Christian B feared he would kill her during a horrific 15-minute ordeal in Portugal in 2005.

The American woman was beaten with a razor-sharp sword after the fiend broke into her villa.

Christian B was convicted and sentenced for her rape in December 2019 - 14 years after the brutal attack which devastated her so much she fled to the US.

A seven-year jail term for the rape in Praia da Luz is due to kick in at the end of him serving time for drugs trafficking, in January next year.
_______________________________________

Portuguese police had failed to crack the rape case at the time, but Christian B was arrested 12 years later when two pals reported him after finding disturbing films in his home.

They said the video clips showed him raping and torturing his elderly victim.

DNA sample taken from a hair at the scene helped convict him and he was jailed for seven years last December.

'FEARED DEATH'
He also bound, gagged and tortured her during the sex attack and she told police: “I feared I was going to die.”

The battered and bruised victim was so traumatised she gave up her Portuguese retirement home and fled to the US.

Christian B escaped justice for 12 years before he was nailed by DNA evidence taken from a hair at the scene.

The woman spent two days with investigators recounting her ordeal in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in September 2005 — two years before Madeleine vanished from the Ocean Club complex in the same Algarve resort.

A female FBI agent interviewed the widow about the attack on behalf of Portuguese police.

'IT CHANGED MY WHOLE LIFE'
Official documents tell how she failed to notice balaclava-clad fiend slipping into her home because she was gripped by TV news about Hurricane Katrina.

She told the agent: “I went to the study. I was grabbed by a very strong and tall man by the neck in the dark and pulled up the five stone stairs into the bedroom.

“I was briefly able to recognise a masked figure.

“Dark eyes looked out of slits and he had held a long, curved knife, which looked like a sabre.

“He gagged me, tied my arms behind my back and then, as I later found out, put bedclothes and other material on the windows so no one could look inside.

“I remember thinking, ‘I hope he won’t kill me.

“It lasted about 15 minutes and I got the feeling he enjoyed it.

"He led me to the bathroom and ordered me, ‘No call police’. It changed my whole life and led to me moving back to the United States.”

Christian B fled the house and a short time later the woman, who had suffered cuts and bruises all over her body, raised the alarm with a neighbour.

She later discovered her attacker had also stolen her Apple iBook laptop, worth about £1,400.

The woman and her husband had moved to Portugal on their retirement because they had grown to love the area so much on holiday, but he had died a few years later.

The widow stayed on but struggled to cope following the attack.

She was unable to sleep unless she had the light on and put up heavy blinds on the house, which was on a path to a beach, so no one could see in.

Within a few months she sold up and moved back to Pasadena, California, because she didn’t feel safe.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12315839/madeleine-mccann-suspect-chrisitian-b-wins-appeal-dashed/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on August 07, 2020, 01:13:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:24:34 PM
I am an Old Woman.  The term doesn't offend me.  Old Women obviously need protecting from vile persons like him.

Or do you think she was asking for it?
So you’re already an old woman ,not an elderly lady? I prefer tho to think of you as the latter .  8(0(*
I have no details of the circumstances in which this victim was chosen to become a victim of rape . What I can say is no woman ought to be described as “ asking for it” in a case of rape .

I have now  read the report Brietta ta provided  and  clearly there was no sexual intimacy going on between  the two . It was a premeditated attack  which of course  is an atrocious act against a defenceless elderly lady .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 07, 2020, 01:54:58 PM

"He led me to the bathroom and ordered me, ‘No call police’. It changed my whole life and led to me moving back to the United States.”

Considering he is supposed to speak good English, that seems a strange turn of phrase


The witness said the German spoke 'good English' but had a reserved manner and was often accompanied by another man."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8395507/British-woman-claims-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckn
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 07, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:45:17 PM
But they don't always get it right.
No country does. But you stated that 'Germany needs to have another look at their Sentencing Procedure.  And that's a Fact'. So they need to do this on the back of one supposed lenient sentence you heard about?
Their recidivism and incarceration rate is the envy of many countries and their average sentence (all crimes) is 1 year (compared to USA where it's 3 years).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 04:55:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:41:11 PM
I was simply asking a question.  To which Snowgirl is not obliged to reply.

I am an Old Woman, who would not be without the bounds of the likes of Brueckner.

And why should I be ashamed of being an Old Woman?

You shouldn’t but Snowgirl was simply pointing out that it’s not very courteous to call you old. For me that’s to her credit.

As to the question, it was loaded and you know it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 04:55:59 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 07, 2020, 12:43:03 PM
You mean that The Victim said that The Cat brought in one of Breuckner's hairs?

Good heavens, what is he doing in jail?

Sorry, you’ve lost me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on August 07, 2020, 05:16:09 PM
Latest news .
Looks like  the German authorities have got what they wanted  .

“ European court of justice advises Madeleine McCann suspect was lawfully tried in rape case”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 07, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on August 07, 2020, 05:16:09 PM
Latest news .
Looks like  the German authorities have got what they wanted  .

“ European court of justice advises Madeleine McCann suspect was lawfully tried in rape case”

I think every descent person would want him jailed for such an evil crime
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 07, 2020, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
I think every descent person would want him jailed for such an evil crime

Absolutely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on August 07, 2020, 06:25:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
I think every descent person would want him jailed for such an evil crime
Yes, no argument from me on that .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 07, 2020, 06:34:28 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on August 07, 2020, 05:16:09 PM
Latest news .
Looks like  the German authorities have got what they wanted  .

“ European court of justice advises Madeleine McCann suspect was lawfully tried in rape case”
Great news.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 07, 2020, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 07, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
I think every descent person would want him jailed for such an evil crime

I would like him to have a 'meeting' in the shower with some psychotic inmates.within the first week- But that's just me...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 13, 2020, 03:46:00 PM
I don't agree with Heri's theory but his analysis of phone pings confirm that the phone allegedly used by the suspect was in Luz,and only Luz not outside of the ocean club or 5a.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-murder-of-madeleine-mccann-why.html

The Portuguese phone number +351 912 730 680, the alleged mobile phone of Christian B, was located in Praia da Luz, and the mobile phone of the person who made the call was not located in Praia da Luz. Both numbers correspond to Vodafone pre-paid cards.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 13, 2020, 04:04:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 13, 2020, 03:46:00 PM
I don't agree with Heri's theory but his analysis of phone pings confirm that the phone allegedly used by the suspect was in Luz,and only Luz not outside of the ocean club or 5a.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-murder-of-madeleine-mccann-why.html

The Portuguese phone number +351 912 730 680, the alleged mobile phone of Christian B, was located in Praia da Luz, and the mobile phone of the person who made the call was not located in Praia da Luz. Both numbers correspond to Vodafone pre-paid cards.

No no no, this can't be right, his phone ping was traced to right outside the window of 5a wasn't it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 13, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 13, 2020, 04:04:07 PM
No no no, this can't be right, his phone ping was traced to right outside the window of 5a wasn't it?

Reported missing on the beeb  last night the police confirmed exact locations can't known,unless they would be using live tracking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 13, 2020, 05:04:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 13, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
Reported missing on the beeb  last night the police confirmed exact locations can't known,unless they would be using live tracking.
That technology was not available in 2007.
And it requires a warrant in most countries.
So....time machine and crystal ball required.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 13, 2020, 06:02:52 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 13, 2020, 03:46:00 PM
I don't agree with Heri's theory but his analysis of phone pings confirm that the phone allegedly used by the suspect was in Luz,and only Luz not outside of the ocean club or 5a.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-murder-of-madeleine-mccann-why.html

The Portuguese phone number +351 912 730 680, the alleged mobile phone of Christian B, was located in Praia da Luz, and the mobile phone of the person who made the call was not located in Praia da Luz. Both numbers correspond to Vodafone pre-paid cards.

It is a very complex situation but one thing it has confirmed for me is that Scotland Yard were on exactly the right investigative track in 2014 when they questioned burglars in relation to Madeleine's disappearance.  It certainly narrowed the field quite a bit.

There was no question then or since that they were the area the phone pings indicated, I think their cross calls to each other possibly confirmed it beyond scope for denial.
I think his phone location is why the Judicial Police checked up on Euclides Monteiro.

Luz certainly appears to have been a hive of industry as far as burglary was concerned which makes it all the more extraordinary it was an aspect of life there which was largely ignored by the Policia Judiciaria in 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 13, 2020, 08:46:10 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 13, 2020, 06:02:52 PM
It is a very complex situation but one thing it has confirmed for me is that Scotland Yard were on exactly the right investigative track in 2014 when they questioned burglars in relation to Madeleine's disappearance.  It certainly narrowed the field quite a bit.

There was no question then or since that they were the area the phone pings indicated, I think their cross calls to each other possibly confirmed it beyond scope for denial.
I think his phone location is why the Judicial Police checked up on Euclides Monteiro.

Luz certainly appears to have been a hive of industry as far as burglary was concerned which makes it all the more extraordinary it was an aspect of life there which was largely ignored by the Policia Judiciaria in 2007.

I think burglary was the responsibility of the GNR, not the PJ, and the tour operators didn't always report such things. Maybe because 'holiday brain syndrome' also includes going out and not locking doors like you do at home.

States, that she remembers well, that during the time she has been employed that she is aware of some robberies in the interior of the apartments because the guests have left their doors open, and she has seen apartments with open doors before and has shut them herself;
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CELESTE_SILVA.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 13, 2020, 10:58:57 PM
There were several burglaries either in the same block or nearby shortly before her disappearance. There may be a connection, or not.

She says that as far as she can remember, during the years that she has worked at the resort, she knows of some thefts from inside the apartments and most recently on 16th April 2007 there was a theft from an apartment in Block 5 L, from where a plasma display screen, credit cards and a mobile phone belonging to the respective guests were taken.

As far as she knows, as she prepared the papers for the insurance company, the theft took place at the end of the day and according to the guests the event happened when they had left for dinner after completing check in and having left their suitcases in the apartment.

She says that she does not remember having been told that doors or windows had been forced, the guests having said that they had just left the door on the latch, however she is not certain.

When asked, she says that she was never told of the existence of any suspects or where those responsible for the theft had been identified.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-GONCALVES.htm

And Mrs Fenn had an attempted burglary, not long before the disappearance. But she wasn't interviewed until August, despite being just above.

When questioned she said that she never saw any strange person or action before or after the event. She claims however, that a week previously she was the victim of an attempted robbery, which was not successful and neither was anything taken
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm


I don't know what the communication problem may have been, but the GNR, which would apparently have been called to deal with burglaries, were also massively deployed to search for the missing child.

Did no one in the GNR think to point out the burglaries... or did they and the PJ didn't take note?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on August 13, 2020, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 13, 2020, 03:46:00 PM
I don't agree with Heri's theory but his analysis of phone pings confirm that the phone allegedly used by the suspect was in Luz,and only Luz not outside of the ocean club or 5a.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-murder-of-madeleine-mccann-why.html

The Portuguese phone number +351 912 730 680, the alleged mobile phone of Christian B, was located in Praia da Luz, and the mobile phone of the person who made the call was not located in Praia da Luz. Both numbers correspond to Vodafone pre-paid cards.

Christian B's lawyer is quoted today mentioning his phone was connecting to Ocean Club.

Mr Fulscher also said that just because Christian B’s phone was logged at the Ocean Club apartments where Madeleine was taken didn’t mean he was responsible.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-against-madeleine-mccann-prime-22518042


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 12:01:07 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on August 13, 2020, 11:38:49 PM
Christian B's lawyer is quoted today mentioning his phone was connecting to Ocean Club.

Mr Fulscher also said that just because Christian B’s phone was logged at the Ocean Club apartments where Madeleine was taken didn’t mean he was responsible.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-against-madeleine-mccann-prime-22518042
ooops.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on August 13, 2020, 11:38:49 PM
Christian B's lawyer is quoted today mentioning his phone was connecting to Ocean Club.

Mr Fulscher also said that just because Christian B’s phone was logged at the Ocean Club apartments where Madeleine was taken didn’t mean he was responsible.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-against-madeleine-mccann-prime-22518042

The Ocean Club apartments were scattered throughout the village, from the Millenium to the Waterside village apartments near the seashore. The phone masts cover a minimum of 1.5km around them, which means they pick up phone calls from outside Luz as well as inside the village.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 14, 2020, 12:37:24 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 12:01:07 AM
ooops.

Am I being obtuse ... or does that mean what I think it means in a tiny tourist village where everywhere was cheek by jowl and most places being minutes away from everywhere else with the McCann apartment almost at the epicentre.

ooops ... indeed.

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_514_small.jpg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 07:19:44 AM
It reminds me of the “just because” arguments some use to defend Jeremy Bamber.  There are so many of them it’s quite laughable, and they are certainly mounting up against CB imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:03:48 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 14, 2020, 12:37:24 AM
Am I being obtuse ... or does that mean what I think it means in a tiny tourist village where everywhere was cheek by jowl and most places being minutes away from everywhere else with the McCann apartment almost at the epicentre.

ooops ... indeed.

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_514_small.jpg)

The range of the mobile phone mast covers at least twice the distance shown on that map.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 14, 2020, 08:06:50 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:03:48 AM
The range of the mobile phone mast covers at least twice the distance shown on that map.

Is the position not more localised by triangulation from other masts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 14, 2020, 08:22:33 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on August 13, 2020, 11:38:49 PM
Christian B's lawyer is quoted today mentioning his phone was connecting to Ocean Club.

Mr Fulscher also said that just because Christian B’s phone was logged at the Ocean Club apartments where Madeleine was taken didn’t mean he was responsible.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-against-madeleine-mccann-prime-22518042

An embellishment from the mirror perhaps, there's no mention of that in the sky report which the mirror quotes, the Mail only mentions Luz it also fails to mention that Wolters obviously agree's when he says,

Quote
The prosecutor, Hans Christian Wolters, said this week he would not let the investigation drift on and would announce any decision to drop it
.

Adding.
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Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said this week he was still looking for vital evidence against Christian B, but has not questioned his suspect.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bs-lawyer-says-main-witness-against-him-is-not-reliable-12048504
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 08:24:32 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 14, 2020, 08:22:33 AM
An embellishment from the mirror perhaps, there's no mention of that in the sky report which the mirror quotes, the Mail only mentions Luz it also fails to mention that Wolters obviously agree's when he says,
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Adding.
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bs-lawyer-says-main-witness-against-him-is-not-reliable-12048504
Those are not quotes from Fulscher.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 08:27:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 14, 2020, 08:06:50 AM
Is the position not more localised by triangulation from other masts
There were three masts in PdL at the time I believe
https://searchengineland.com/cell-phone-triangulation-accuracy-is-all-over-the-map-14790
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 14, 2020, 08:36:03 AM
12 months ago, if this isn't the one then its all over.

The meeting with officers from the Policia Judiciaria was in Porto in recent weeks. It follows reports last month that police are close to solving the case after identifying a foreign paedophile as prime suspect. Operation Grange detectives travelled to Portugal as it was revealed the Home Office had agreed to fund the probe for another 12 months.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1143831/madeleine-mccann-scotland-yard-new-suspect-investigation-portugal/amp
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 14, 2020, 08:38:31 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 08:24:32 AM
Those are not quotes from Fulscher.

Nor are there any quotes from Fulscher in the Exclusive with Sky in regards any thing about phones.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:45:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 14, 2020, 08:06:50 AM
Is the position not more localised by triangulation from other masts

There was only one Vodaphone mast in Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 14, 2020, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:45:48 AM
There was only one Vodaphone mast in Luz.

Do mobile phones not use other providers masts...is there not some sort of sharing facility. When I travel abraod my phone is picked up by a completely different company
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 14, 2020, 08:54:25 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 14, 2020, 08:47:57 AM
Do mobile phones not use other providers masts...is there not some sort of sharing facility. When I travel abraod my phone is picked up by a completely different company

They didn't at one time, wasn't the other main player Orange which was associated with a french telecoms firm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 14, 2020, 08:56:14 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 14, 2020, 08:54:25 AM
They didn't at one time, wasn't the other main player Orange which was associated with a french telecoms firm

what time was that...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 14, 2020, 09:08:56 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:45:48 AM
There was only one Vodaphone mast in Luz.

Which telecoms firm did the other belong to?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 14, 2020, 08:38:31 AM
Nor are there any quotes from Fulscher in the Exclusive with Sky in regards any thing about phones.
And this means what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 09:27:17 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:45:48 AM
There was only one Vodaphone mast in Luz.
How many masts in total?  Or are you saying only Vodaphone mobiles could be used in Luz at the time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 14, 2020, 10:11:44 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 09:26:18 AM
And this means what?

Well obviously its only what the media are saying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 14, 2020, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 07:19:44 AM
It reminds me of the “just because” arguments some use to defend Jeremy Bamber.  There are so many of them it’s quite laughable, and they are certainly mounting up against CB imo.

We know Brueckner is definitely not a very nice man who, I for one would not like to walk in on while he's rummaging through the contents of my jewellery box.

But for all we know he might very well be innocent of any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

The fact that the German police ~ the British police and the Portuguese police who have seen the evidence gathered against him seem convinced enough of his involvement to keep on investigating him is good enough for me.

I have to admit being bemused by the following he has attracted ... as I said, it is proven common knowledge that he is not a nice man ... so on that basis alone any ignorant excuse made on his behalf is really quite bizarre.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 14, 2020, 12:03:40 PM
I think posters who suggest the phone could only be picked up by one mast have a poor understanding of mobile phone technology
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 14, 2020, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 14, 2020, 12:03:40 PM
I think posters who suggest the phone could only be picked up by one mast have a poor understanding of mobile phone technology

Seems you have too......from 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 02:13:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 09:27:17 AM
How many masts in total?  Or are you saying only Vodaphone mobiles could be used in Luz at the time?

Records were requested from the three national providers; Vodaphone, Optimus and TMN. All three had antennae in PdL. I don't know the coverage of each one, but the minimum is 1.5km and the maximum is 8km.


The antennae activated by mobile phone usage varies. Jane Tanner and Mathew Oldfield's phones activated only TMN antennae. David Payne's phone activated all three and the rest of the group activated two of the three antennae.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 02:22:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 14, 2020, 12:03:40 PM
I think posters who suggest the phone could only be picked up by one mast have a poor understanding of mobile phone technology

The operators were asked for records of every call made on 2-4th May into and out of specific locations. The information provided listed all the calls just once. As far as I know the PJ didn't request the extra information which would have enabled triangulation to take place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 14, 2020, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 02:22:04 PM
The operators were asked for records of every call made on 2-4th May into and out of specific locations. The information provided listed all the calls just once. As far as I know the PJ didn't request the extra information which would have enabled triangulation to take place.

Then the calls may well show in the other masts in Liz which would enable triangulation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 14, 2020, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 02:13:09 PM
Records were requested from the three national providers; Vodaphone, Optimus and TMN. All three had antennae in PdL. I don't know the coverage of each one, but the minimum is 1.5km and the maximum is 8km.


The antennae activated by mobile phone usage varies. Jane Tanner and Mathew Oldfield's phones activated only TMN antennae. David Payne's phone activated all three and the rest of the group activated two of the three antennae.
In those days it was all about contention and capacity. It's a bit different now and technology has moved on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 02:13:09 PM
Records were requested from the three national providers; Vodaphone, Optimus and TMN. All three had antennae in PdL. I don't know the coverage of each one, but the minimum is 1.5km and the maximum is 8km.


The antennae activated by mobile phone usage varies. Jane Tanner and Mathew Oldfield's phones activated only TMN antennae. David Payne's phone activated all three and the rest of the group activated two of the three antennae.
So with three masts they should be able to fairly accurately pinpoint locations of many calls made within the PdL area that night, thanks for confirming.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 06:03:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 05:49:13 PM
So with three masts they should be able to fairly accurately pinpoint locations of many calls made within the PdL area that night, thanks for confirming.

No. The calls only ping one antenna on one mast. So all they can say is that a phone call was made or received via one of those antennae and the time and date it was made. The location is either within 1.5 or 8km of the antenna.

Jane Tanner, for example, calls David Payne. Her call pings the TMN antenna, because  that's the only one available to her. David's phone pings whichever antennae is available to it, but only one of them, not all three.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 14, 2020, 06:04:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 05:49:13 PM
So with three masts they should be able to fairly accurately pinpoint locations of many calls made within the PdL area that night, thanks for confirming.

Doesn't work like that,watch "Reported Missing" the phone pings in this case showed an area, post codes x 2 not a location, physical enquires at hotels were needed in the area.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 14, 2020, 06:04:20 PM
Doesn't work like that,watch "Reported Missing" the phone pings in this case showed an area, post codes x 2 not a location, physical enquires at hotels were needed in the area.
I watched it.   Is this wrong then? https://searchengineland.com/cell-phone-triangulation-accuracy-is-all-over-the-map-14790
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 14, 2020, 06:43:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 06:23:10 PM
I watched it.   Is this wrong then? https://searchengineland.com/cell-phone-triangulation-accuracy-is-all-over-the-map-14790

The way it worked on the police investigation and their description yes, and this is now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 06:49:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 14, 2020, 06:43:27 PM
The way it worked on the police investigation and their description yes, and this is now.
what did they say exactly?  They pinpointed his calls to a specific neighbourhood did they not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 14, 2020, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 06:49:34 PM
what did they say exactly?  They pinpointed his calls to a specific neighbourhood did they not?

Yes but they didn't say he was in the rose & crown.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 14, 2020, 07:01:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 14, 2020, 06:59:12 PM
Yes but they didn't say he was in the rose & crown.

Did they mention The Cart and Horses?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 14, 2020, 06:59:12 PM
Yes but they didn't say he was in the rose & crown.
Neighbourhood’s good enough for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 14, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 14, 2020, 07:01:44 PM
Did they mention The Cart and Horses?

Drawn by a Suffolk Punch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 14, 2020, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 07:06:33 PM
Neighbourhood’s good enough for me.

But there again they didn't find him by phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 14, 2020, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 14, 2020, 07:23:00 PM
But there again they didn't find him by phone.
....so narrow it down to a couple of km square, being optimistic, then of course you have to prove he was in the same place as the phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 14, 2020, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 06:03:24 PM
No. The calls only ping one antenna on one mast. So all they can say is that a phone call was made or received via one of those antennae and the time and date it was made. The location is either within 1.5 or 8km of the antenna.

Jane Tanner, for example, calls David Payne. Her call pings the TMN antenna, because  that's the only one available to her. David's phone pings whichever antennae is available to it, but only one of them, not all three.

Who says the calls only ping one antennae...cite please...if they did there would be no triangulation....and there is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 14, 2020, 07:44:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 02:22:04 PM
The operators were asked for records of every call made on 2-4th May into and out of specific locations. The information provided listed all the calls just once. As far as I know the PJ didn't request the extra information which would have enabled triangulation to take place.
Yet, German authorities seem to have traced the call to a more exact location i.e the OC. Perhaps triangulation was done but not released at the time (?). The attached is an illustration and not related to this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 14, 2020, 07:50:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 14, 2020, 07:37:22 PM
Who says the calls only ping one antennae...cite please...if they did there would be no triangulation....and there is
Cite re: triangulation please.
Have you any idea how narrow triangulation using just masts is now?
Not GPS....have a look. It's about 1.5 km TODAY!

Come on guys, let's not rewrite history and technological advances. Not tonight. Bayern v Barca is on, ffs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 14, 2020, 07:53:27 PM
Quote from: The General on August 14, 2020, 07:50:09 PM
Cite re: triangulation please.
Have you any idea how narrow triangulation using just masts is now?
Not GPS....have a look. It's about 1.5 km TODAY!

Come on guys, let's not rewrite history and technological advances. Not tonight. Bayern v Barca is on, ffs.

Have a look at the post above yours...it's from the link VS provided. Triangulation works from a phone pinging two or more masts.....gunits wrong to assume a phone will only ping one...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 14, 2020, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 14, 2020, 07:53:27 PM
Have a look at the post above yours...it's from the link VS provided. Triangulation works from a phone pinging two or more masts.....gunits wrong to assume a phone will only ping one...
That diagram is utter arse.
GPS is able to ping someone that accurately, not phone masts and not in 2007.
Now stop it, all of you.


.....and there's a really good reason why Payne's phone pinged other towers, I gave you a clue earlier. Contention and capacity - back in 2007, with the advent of iPhones, etc cell towers could not cope with contention, so phones would routinely pick up the next available tower - if in range. It could have been literally miles away from the 'ping'. It's ore sophisticated now, but GPS is way more accurate than phone pings, and even GPS has serious limitations. So next time you harp on about the dogs being 'intelligence', in 2007 they were may more reliable than phone pings.

I'm watching the match, so leave it out..... 1-0 Bayern.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 14, 2020, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: The General on August 14, 2020, 07:55:14 PM
That diagram is utter arse.
GPS is able to ping someone that accurately, not phone masts and not in 2007.
Now stop it, all of you.

I'm not really bothered...I'm waiting to see what the Germans bring to the table
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 14, 2020, 08:05:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 14, 2020, 08:00:30 PM
I'm not really bothered...I'm waiting to see what the Germans bring to the table
So is CB. They should probably sh** or get off the pot, as they say in Rawtenstall.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:11:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 07:06:33 PM
Neighbourhood’s good enough for me.

By using cell tower triangulation (3 towers), it is possible to determine a phone location to within an area of about ¾ square mile (1.2km).
https://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/911/Apps%20Wrkshp%202015/911_Help_SMS_WhitePaper0515.pdf

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 08:17:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 14, 2020, 07:23:00 PM
But there again they didn't find him by phone.
That’s because most people don’t stand still after making their last ohone call waiting to be found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 14, 2020, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:11:49 PM
By using cell tower triangulation (3 towers), it is possible to determine a phone location to within an area of about ¾ square mile (1.2km).
https://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/911/Apps%20Wrkshp%202015/911_Help_SMS_WhitePaper0515.pdf
....you're right, there's a clue in the title - TRIangulation.
Then factor in that our perp would have to stand still for half an hour.
It's bad science, but fun to watch the misinformation being regurgitated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 14, 2020, 07:44:31 PM
Yet, German authorities seem to have traced the call to a more exact location i.e the OC. Perhaps triangulation was done but not released at the time (?). The attached is an illustration and not related to this case.

They have said they did, but it's highly unlikely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 08:21:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:11:49 PM
By using cell tower triangulation (3 towers), it is possible to determine a phone location to within an area of about ¾ square mile (1.2km).
https://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/911/Apps%20Wrkshp%202015/911_Help_SMS_WhitePaper0515.pdf
So on the night Madeleine disappeared there was a paedophile burglar who had previously broken into a nearby holiday apartment and violently raped an old woman in the very near vicinity, agreed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 14, 2020, 08:25:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:11:49 PM
By using cell tower triangulation (3 towers), it is possible to determine a phone location to within an area of about ¾ square mile (1.2km).
https://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/911/Apps%20Wrkshp%202015/911_Help_SMS_WhitePaper0515.pdf

It seems even with one tower a ping can tell how close it is to the tower due to the time it takes to travel from the phone to the mast and back...so if it was close to the OC tower one ping would be enough to place it relatively accurately
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 14, 2020, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:19:55 PM
They have said they did, but it's highly unlikely.
It's not even possible. With this apparent tactic of not disclosing their evidence, they're disclosing an awful lot of information, most of which is just plain wrong.
I reckon his cellmate Fritz gave up the dead dog stash and the allotment for a bottle of White Lightning and a bag of spice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 14, 2020, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 14, 2020, 08:25:49 PM
It seems even with one tower a ping can tell how close it is to the tower due to the time it takes to travel from the phone to the mast and back...so if it was close to the OC tower one ping would be enough to place it relatively accurately
Straws anyone?
You mean real time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 14, 2020, 08:25:49 PM
It seems even with one tower a ping can tell how close it is to the tower due to the time it takes to travel from the phone to the mast and back...so if it was close to the OC tower one ping would be enough to place it relatively accurately

Now all you need to do is show that it was possible in 2007, and, more importantly, that that information was available and given to the police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on August 14, 2020, 09:55:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 14, 2020, 08:22:33 AM
An embellishment from the mirror perhaps, there's no mention of that in the sky report which the mirror quotes, the Mail only mentions Luz it also fails to mention that Wolters obviously agree's when he says,
.

Adding.
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bs-lawyer-says-main-witness-against-him-is-not-reliable-12048504

But the solicitor is quoted for using "Ocean Club" and not PDL
This is what caught my attention.
It is almost like when you try avoiding to say something and then you say it by mistake  8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 08:21:21 PM
So on the night Madeleine disappeared there was a paedophile burglar who had previously broken into a nearby holiday apartment and violently raped an old woman in the very near vicinity, agreed?
AGREED?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 10:47:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 10:04:31 PM
AGREED?

The facts. A phone allegedly being used by CB pinged one of the antennae in Praia da Luz. Depending on the range of the antenna, the phone could have been next to the antenna, a maximum of 1.5km or 8km from the antenna or somewhere in between. Wolters, remember, mentioned just one mast.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 10:51:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 10:47:17 PM
The facts. A phone allegedly being used by CB pinged one of the antennae in Praia da Luz. Depending on the range of the antenna, the phone could have been next to the antenna, a maximum of 1.5km or 8km from the antenna or somewhere in between. Wolters, remember, mentioned just one mast.
so there was only one mast in the area in 2007, not the three that have previously been talked about, is that a fact?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on August 14, 2020, 10:58:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 10:51:54 PM
so there was only one mast in the area in 2007, not the three that have previously been talked about, is that a fact?

If I remember well there was only one mast in PDL. But  wasn't it said in here that CB's phone was caught on OC's wifi?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on August 14, 2020, 10:58:58 PM
If I remember well there was only one mast in PDL. But  wasn't it said in here that CB's phone was caught on OC's wifi?

There were three masts, but Wolters mentioned only one in relation to the phone number he publicised. Maybe it was tied to one provider only, like Jane Tanner's phone. I don't know anything about Wifi.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 14, 2020, 11:09:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 11:05:03 PM
There were three masts, but Wolters mentioned only one in relation to the phone number he publicised. Maybe it was tied to one provider only, like Jane Tanner's phone. I don't know anything about Wifi.
But you don’t believe Wolters is accurate / truthful so surely him talking about one mast instead of three is beside the point?  If there were three then surely triangulation to pinpoint the pin more accurately would be possible?  You’ve already claimed an area of 3/4 sq miles but then seemed to back pedal from this when I asked you if you agreed that Bruckner was likely within the OC neighbourhood at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 15, 2020, 12:34:28 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 14, 2020, 11:09:00 PM
But you don’t believe Wolters is accurate / truthful so surely him talking about one mast instead of three is beside the point?  If there were three then surely triangulation to pinpoint the pin more accurately would be possible?  You’ve already claimed an area of 3/4 sq miles but then seemed to back pedal from this when I asked you if you agreed that Bruckner was likely within the OC neighbourhood at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.

I'm willing to bet that the Germans know exactly what they are doing regarding the pings and Brueckner's phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 15, 2020, 01:30:17 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 15, 2020, 12:34:28 AM
I'm willing to bet that the Germans know exactly what they are doing regarding the pings and Brueckner's phone.

I agree, I’m sure the Germans do know what they’re doing re: the pings. I’m also sure that thing that they are doing is reaping no results.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 15, 2020, 02:28:00 AM
If CB did avail himself that evening of the free public WiFi at Hugo Beatty's Bar, close to OC Luz, or even OC itself if the facility was on offer at OC,  how many masts would have been pinged?


https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmcumeds/uc275-iii/uc27502.htm

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 15, 2020, 05:53:45 AM
Quote from: misty on August 15, 2020, 02:28:00 AM
If CB did avail himself that evening of the free public WiFi at Hugo Beatty's Bar, close to OC Luz, or even OC itself if the facility was on offer at OC,  how many masts would have been pinged?


https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmcumeds/uc275-iii/uc27502.htm
Was free WiFi a thing for patrons back then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 15, 2020, 07:14:06 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 15, 2020, 05:53:45 AM
Was free WiFi a thing for patrons back then.
Do you think Mitchell lied at the select committee anticipating this discussion about phone pings in the area 11 years later?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 15, 2020, 07:30:56 AM
How come all the sceptics here don’t think but KNOW the German investigation has reaped no results?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 07:41:41 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 15, 2020, 07:30:56 AM
How come all the sceptics here don’t think but KNOW the German investigation has reaped no results?

I've noticed that too. if the Pj anonced they had strong evidence maddie died in the apartment and strong evidence the McCanns covered up her death I would want to hear it...that's because I'm open minded.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 15, 2020, 10:45:04 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 15, 2020, 07:14:06 AM
Do you think Mitchell lied at the select committee anticipating this discussion about phone pings in the area 11 years later?

How come,  if the Portuguese Police who now say CB is innocent,  didn't discover CB's phone number being active during the night of 3rd of May?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 15, 2020, 11:35:51 AM
Quote from: Lace on August 15, 2020, 10:45:04 AM
How come,  if the Portuguese Police who now say CB is innocent,  didn't discover CB's phone number being active during the night of 3rd of May?

Who says they didn't?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 15, 2020, 12:20:54 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 15, 2020, 10:45:04 AM
How come,  if the Portuguese Police who now say CB is innocent,  didn't discover CB's phone number being active during the night of 3rd of May?
They probably didn't discover Barry Edmonds from Ipswich was using his phone in the environs of Luz either.
Or Santiago Fuetes Mori, from Lagos.
What about Kike Ramirez Sanchez Pizuan? He used his phone around there. He's a shepherd from Lagos.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 15, 2020, 07:30:56 AM
How come all the sceptics here don’t think but KNOW the German investigation has reaped no results?

Maybe because they think for themselves...

Not what they are told to think.

Or they don't believe everything they read. IMO.

Oh and in my case believe the mccs are involved. aan still no proof of abduction.

Seems CB is not clever enough to leave nothing,..to actually commit the perfect crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 12:28:56 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 15, 2020, 10:45:04 AM
How come,  if the Portuguese Police who now say CB is innocent,  didn't discover CB's phone number being active during the night of 3rd of May?

How come the mccs private detectives didnt or  OG.

Wasnt they all looking for things PJ may have missed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 15, 2020, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
Maybe because they think for themselves...

Not what they are told to think.

Or they don't believe everything they read. IMO.

Oh and in my case believe the mccs are involved. aan still no proof of abduction.

Seems CB is not clever enough to leave nothing,..to actually commit the perfect crime.

I'd venture they've let the lawyer see what they have and it doesn't cut much mustard in terms of evidence thats why he can say the witness in unreliable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 12:53:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 15, 2020, 12:48:32 PM
I'd venture they've let the lawyer see what they have and it doesn't cut much mustard in terms of evidence thats why he can say the witness in unreliable.
I'd say that's one of those ludicrously obviously wrong opinions...I find it hard to believe you are serious
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
Maybe because they think for themselves...

Not what they are told to think.

Or they don't believe everything they read. IMO.

Oh and in my case believe the mccs are involved. aan still no proof of abduction.

Seems CB is not clever enough to leave nothing,..to actually commit the perfect crime.

I don't think sceptics think for themselves at all...most seem to blindly follow the claptrap produced by Amaral and the initial investigation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 15, 2020, 01:00:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
Maybe because they think for themselves...

Not what they are told to think.

Or they don't believe everything they read. IMO.

Oh and in my case believe the mccs are involved. aan still no proof of abduction.

Seems CB is not clever enough to leave nothing,..to actually commit the perfect crime.
I asked how sceptics KNOW something that they cannot possibly know for a fact.  Your suggestion that only your side of the argument can think for themselves and are somehow a cut above the "sheeple" is typical conspiracy theorist mind set. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 15, 2020, 12:55:36 PM
I don't think sceptics think for themselves at all...most seem to blindly follow the claptrap produced by Amaral and the initial investigation

Well your wrong again ...as per ususal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 01:29:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 15, 2020, 01:00:39 PM
I asked how sceptics KNOW something that they cannot possibly know for a fact.  Your suggestion that only your side of the argument can think for themselves and are somehow a cut above the "sheeple" is typical conspiracy theorist mind set.

Can you say then ...you have actually seen any factual evidence regarding Maddie.

Two and a half months now and nothing ...that's a fact VS.

It was said at the beginning of this it wasn't CB ...and no one has been found wrong Fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 01:31:12 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 01:29:30 PM
Can you say then ...you have actually seen any factual evidence regarding Maddie.

Two and a half months now and nothing ...that's a fact VS.

It was said at the beginning of this it wasn't CB ...and no one has been found wrong Fact.
I think your post is laughable...another month .. perhaps two is what HCW has said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 15, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: The General on August 15, 2020, 12:20:54 PM
They probably didn't discover Barry Edmonds from Ipswich was using his phone in the environs of Luz either.
Or Santiago Fuetes Mori, from Lagos.
What about Kike Ramirez Sanchez Pizuan? He used his phone around there. He's a shepherd from Lagos.

Very funny.

The thing is the Portuguese Police are saying they investigated CB back in 2007,  they knew he was a sex offender so why didn't they tie him up with the phone ping?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 15, 2020, 01:34:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 01:29:30 PM
Can you say then ...you have actually seen any factual evidence regarding Maddie.

Two and a half months now and nothing ...that's a fact VS.

It was said at the beginning of this it wasn't CB ...and no one has been found wrong Fact.
I'm not claiming to know anything as a fact, unlike most sceptics on here who *know* the German police have no evidence against him and *know* he wasn't involved.  What I do know is that it can take months or years before us members of the general public know the full story on any criminal investigation, you seem to beg to differ though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 01:24:05 PM
Well your wrong again ...as per ususal.

That's an opinion...not a fact...you need to realise the difference
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 15, 2020, 01:37:08 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 12:28:56 PM
How come the mccs private detectives didnt or  OG.

Wasnt they all looking for things PJ may have missed.


The McCann's private detectives would not be able to look at the files the Portuguese Police had on CB.

I don't believe OG had any information on CB whereas the Portuguese Police did, even though they say he wasn't on their sex offender list,  why knock on his door?  Why now say he was investigated?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 15, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 15, 2020, 12:48:32 PM
I'd venture they've let the lawyer see what they have and it doesn't cut much mustard in terms of evidence thats why he can say the witness in unreliable.
Highly unlikely, Brückner’s lawyer is only privy to information once he is being formally charged and interrogated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 15, 2020, 01:56:32 PM

Personally, I don't think The Germans have got a hope in hell's chance.  It's all too blimmin late.

But Amaral could have cracked this thirteen years ago, if only he had ever been half a man.  But The PJ didn't do Investigations in those days.  They just decided who dunnit and then fitted them up.

Believe it or not, I have metaphorically bled for Portugal because it is such a lovely country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 15, 2020, 01:31:12 PM
I think your post is laughable...another month .. perhaps two is what HCW has said

not as  @)(++(*  at what you have posted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 15, 2020, 02:05:32 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 15, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
Highly unlikely, Brückner’s lawyer is only privy to information once he is being formally charged and interrogated.

Brueckner is never going to say one word.  Would you if you were him?

I don't even know if he is a likely suspect.  Concrete Evidence doesn't even translate into Hard Evidence.

But I am certain sure that whatever it was he got up is very unlikely to happen again.  That might have to be enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 02:30:56 PM
It could take a month or two based on what HCW has said...we will then know if he has  a case or not.

i don't see HCW being stupid and i don't see him being a fantasist. Based on that i see his strong/concrete evidence as being significant.

Mark Saunokonoko is a McCann sceptic and spoke to HCW for 30 mins. He seemed to be impressed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
not as  @)(++(*  at what you have posted

If HCW does have strong evidence...and CB is charged...you and others are going to look a bit foolish...lets wait and see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 02:45:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 15, 2020, 02:43:14 PM
If HCW does have strong evidence...and CB is charged...you and others are going to look a bit foolish...lets wait and see

If he's charged it means nothing, he'll still be innocent unless/until tried fairly & convicted.

It may be difficult to get a fair trial since the media have already said he dunnit.

Also, we still couldn't be sure his conviction would be safe, he could have been tortured in the nick like Cipriano.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 15, 2020, 02:58:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 15, 2020, 02:43:14 PM
If HCW does have strong evidence...and CB is charged...you and others are going to look a bit foolish...lets wait and see

Oh, come on.  Not just a bit foolish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 15, 2020, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 15, 2020, 10:45:04 AM
How come,  if the Portuguese Police who now say CB is innocent,  didn't discover CB's phone number being active during the night of 3rd of May?

Why would they have picked that one phone call out of the 74,104 calls which activated the Luz antennae on 2nd, 3rd and 4th May?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 03:09:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 02:45:37 PM
If he's charged it means nothing, he'll still be innocent unless/until tried fairly & convicted.

It may be difficult to get a fair trial since the media have already said he dunnit.

Also, we still couldn't be sure his conviction would be safe, he could have been tortured in the nick like Cipriano.

If hes charged we can see what the evidence...and draw our own conclusions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 15, 2020, 03:09:23 PM
If hes charged we can see what the evidence...and draw our own conclusions

Which would prove nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 03:54:40 PM
Which would prove nothing.

More unimportant opinion from you..prove meaning what...it hasn't been proved Cipriano killed her daughter...do you realise that..then the criminal court found OJ not guilty...the civil proved guilt..but no one can prove he did it..so what does that prove
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 04:24:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 15, 2020, 02:43:14 PM
If HCW does have strong evidence...and CB is charged...you and others are going to look a bit foolish...lets wait and see

Not as foolish as you..... who hangs on HCW everyword it seems
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 04:36:15 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 15, 2020, 04:24:02 PM
Not as foolish as you..... who hangs on HCW everyword it seems

We will see. I'm quite critical in who and what I believe. I can and have proven Amaral has spoken a lot of rubbish..perhaps you missed it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 15, 2020, 04:41:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 15, 2020, 03:07:17 PM
Why would they have picked that one phone call out of the 74,104 calls which activated the Luz antennae on 2nd, 3rd and 4th May?

The Portuguese Police say they investigated him about Madeleine's disappearance,  you would think that they would have looked at the telephone calls and connected his phone number.

How many crimes have there been where the Police have said they connected the phone number with the scene of the crime.   Some say 'I was miles away'  but their phone tells a different story.

Whilst investigating CB  don't you think the Portuguese Police would have checked everything?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 15, 2020, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 03:54:40 PM
Which would prove nothing.
Evidence proves nothing.  Well that’s good to know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 15, 2020, 05:49:27 PM
If they want to uncover evidence in the MM case they have to be looking in the right places, therefore, they will get nowhere with this German suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 15, 2020, 05:51:04 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on August 15, 2020, 05:49:27 PM
If they want to uncover evidence in the MM case they have to be looking in the right places.
Where are those then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 15, 2020, 06:14:42 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 02:45:37 PM
If he's charged it means nothing, he'll still be innocent unless/until tried fairly & convicted.

It may be difficult to get a fair trial since the media have already said he dunnit.

Also, we still couldn't be sure his conviction would be safe, he could have been tortured in the nick like Cipriano.
In other words, no matter what happens, what evidence is presented or what verdict is reached re Bruckner you will always *know* he is as innocent as a new born lamb.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 06:20:40 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 15, 2020, 06:14:42 PM
In other words, no matter what happens, what evidence is presented or what verdict is reached re Bruckner you will always *know* he is as innocent as a new born lamb.

Need you even ask?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 06:28:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 15, 2020, 04:15:46 PM
More unimportant opinion from you..prove meaning what...it hasn't been proved Cipriano killed her daughter...do you realise that..then the criminal court found OJ not guilty...the civil proved guilt..but no one can prove he did it..so what does that prove

In my opinion the court proved Cipriano killed her daughter, that's why she spent 13 years inside, & OJ Simpson is innocent, that's why he didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 15, 2020, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on August 15, 2020, 05:49:27 PM
If they want to uncover evidence in the MM case they have to be looking in the right places, therefore, they will get nowhere with this German suspect.
Another sceptic who *knows* everything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 15, 2020, 08:00:02 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 15, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Very funny.

The thing is the Portuguese Police are saying they investigated CB back in 2007,  they knew he was a sex offender so why didn't they tie him up with the phone ping?
That is a very important question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 06:28:35 PM
In my opinion the court proved Cipriano killed her daughter, that's why she spent 13 years inside, & OJ Simpson is innocent, that's why he didn't.

thats your opinion which you rightly concede...OJ was found liable for the murder in  a civil court...proven guilty...OJ simpson has not been proven innocent or guilty...neither has Cipriano
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 15, 2020, 08:03:35 PM
thats your opinion which you rightly concede...OJ was found liable for the murder in  a civil court...proven guilty...OJ simpson has not been proven innocent or guilty...neither has Cipriano

I didn't write "In my opinion" in relation to Cipriano.

A moderator added that.

It isn't "My opinion" that Cipriano killed her daughter, it was the judgement of a court of law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 15, 2020, 08:39:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 15, 2020, 08:03:35 PM
thats your opinion which you rightly concede...OJ was found liable for the murder in  a civil court...proven guilty...OJ simpson has not been proven innocent or guilty...neither has Cipriano
Because it's a Portuguese court it doesn't count? Or you don't like the verdict, so it's null and void?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 09:02:25 PM
Quote from: The General on August 15, 2020, 08:39:12 PM
Because it's a Portuguese court it doesn't count? Or you don't like the verdict, so it's null and void?

I'm a little surprised a man of your intellect doesn't understand. Leonora was found guilty at her trial...but of course that doesn't mean she is guilty. She has been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt...or the portuguese equivalent...but not beyond all doubt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 15, 2020, 09:05:25 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
I didn't write "In my opinion" in relation to Cipriano.

A moderator added that.

It isn't "My opinion" that Cipriano killed her daughter, it was the judgement of a court of law.

The same Court of Law judged that she had been beaten by PJ Officers.  Is that okay with you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 15, 2020, 09:08:25 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
I didn't write "In my opinion" in relation to Cipriano.

A moderator added that.

It isn't "My opinion" that Cipriano killed her daughter, it was the judgement of a court of law.

its your opinion that the court proved it...the court didnt prove anything ..it proved in the courts opinion shes guilty..she could in reality be totally innocent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 15, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 15, 2020, 04:41:36 PM
The Portuguese Police say they investigated him about Madeleine's disappearance,  you would think that they would have looked at the telephone calls and connected his phone number.

How many crimes have there been where the Police have said they connected the phone number with the scene of the crime.   Some say 'I was miles away'  but their phone tells a different story.

Whilst investigating CB  don't you think the Portuguese Police would have checked everything?

Have the PJ announced that they investigated him in 2007? I must have missed that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 15, 2020, 09:28:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 15, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
Have the PJ announced that they investigated him in 2007? I must have missed that.

Is there any point in answering that question?  You don't appear to be listening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 15, 2020, 09:05:25 PM
The same Court of Law judged that she had been beaten by PJ Officers.  Is that okay with you?

They didn't beat her hard enough IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on August 15, 2020, 10:57:58 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8631335/Christian-Brueckner-jailed-sexually-abusing-ex-girlfriends-five-year-old-daughter.html

Revealed: Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner was jailed for sexually abusing his ex-girlfriend's five-year-old daughter in a public park
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 15, 2020, 11:06:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
They didn't beat her hard enough IMO
I reckon if the PJ beat you hard enough they could get you to confess to abducting Madeleine and then we’d at least not have to read your drivel anymore.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on August 15, 2020, 11:20:38 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on August 15, 2020, 08:00:02 PM
That is a very important question.
Exactly, Rob

A very important question posed by the ever observant Lace

And if they investigated CB and called at his home in Farol, but he was out … why the hell didn't they call again?

Was it the three rows of barbed wire along the top of the outside fence that put them off ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 15, 2020, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 15, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
They didn't beat her hard enough IMO

You, poor soul, are a disgrace.  But that is your problem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 15, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on August 15, 2020, 10:57:58 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8631335/Christian-Brueckner-jailed-sexually-abusing-ex-girlfriends-five-year-old-daughter.html

Revealed: Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner was jailed for sexually abusing his ex-girlfriend's five-year-old daughter in a public park

I think I feel sick.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 15, 2020, 11:30:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 15, 2020, 11:06:06 PM
I reckon if the PJ beat you hard enough they could get you to confess to abducting Madeleine and then we’d at least not have to read your drivel anymore.

It really isn't worth Deleting.  At least not to me.  Some other Moderator might feel differently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 15, 2020, 11:36:29 PM
Quote from: sadie on August 15, 2020, 11:20:38 PM
Exactly, Rob

A very important question posed by the ever observant Lace

And if they investigated CB and called at his home in Farol, but he was out … why the hell didn't they call again?

Was it the three rows of barbed wire along the top of the outside fence that put them off ?

Have the PJ announced that they investigated CB in 2007? The GNR went looking for him to pay a fine associated with his conviction for diesel theft.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 15, 2020, 11:44:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 15, 2020, 11:36:29 PM
Have the PJ announced that they investigated CB in 2007? The GNR went looking for him to pay a fine associated with his conviction for diesel theft.

CB had been extradited to Germany in 1999 (documents at Faro Court), was in custody between April & December 2006, the GNR were chasing him for unpaid fines.....it's not that Portugal didn't know he was back in their country.

The PJ Legal Summary contains this statement:-

"Inquiries were made to locate and determine the current whereabouts and life style of individuals known to the PJ for the practice of sexual crimes, involving children or adolescents, no link to the disappearance was found."

If PJ failed to investigate CB, how many others did they miss?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 15, 2020, 11:48:25 PM
Quote from: misty on August 15, 2020, 11:44:38 PM
CB had been extradited to Germany in 1999 (documents at Faro Court), was in custody between April & December 2006, the GNR were chasing him for unpaid fines.....it's not that Portugal didn't know he was back in their country.

The PJ Legal Summary contains this statement:-

"Inquiries were made to locate and determine the current whereabouts and life style of individuals known to the PJ for the practice of sexual crimes, involving children or adolescents, no link to the disappearance was found."

If PJ failed to investigate CB, how many others did they miss?

La La La.  That is serious in French.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 16, 2020, 07:15:05 AM
Quote from: Lace on August 15, 2020, 04:41:36 PM
The Portuguese Police say they investigated him about Madeleine's disappearance,  you would think that they would have looked at the telephone calls and connected his phone number.

How many crimes have there been where the Police have said they connected the phone number with the scene of the crime.   Some say 'I was miles away'  but their phone tells a different story.

Whilst investigating CB  don't you think the Portuguese Police would have checked everything?
One swallow does not a summer make,so why should one  phone ping be of consequence.
Still won't be long now for charges he's condemned by his past for something he hasn't done,the legend is the truth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on August 16, 2020, 07:47:59 AM
'The lawyer for the suspect in the Madeleine McCann case has claimed that the main witness against him is a criminal who swapped information for an early release from jail.

'Lawyer Friedrich Fulscher insisted that if the unnamed witness is who he believes him to be, his claim that suspect Christian Brueckner confessed guilt to him is unreliable.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-case-lawyer-witness-unreliable-christian-brueckner-germany-a9670691.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 16, 2020, 08:15:52 AM
Quote from: John on August 16, 2020, 07:47:59 AM
'The lawyer for the suspect in the Madeleine McCann case has claimed that the main witness against him is a criminal who swapped information for an early release from jail.

'Lawyer Friedrich Fulscher insisted that if the unnamed witness is who he believes him to be, his claim that suspect Christian Brueckner confessed guilt to him is unreliable.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-case-lawyer-witness-unreliable-christian-brueckner-germany-a9670691.html

Im sure the Germans have more than this but can you not see the irony in his statement. The lawyer is being paid to defend his client...everything he says should be seen in that light. We cant take anything he says as being impartial. he criticices the witness but describes his client ...a rapist and a paedophile ..in glowing terms.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 16, 2020, 08:20:08 AM
from the Independent today...

"We know about the woman in Portugal and we've been in touch with authorities there, but it doesn't change the fact that we are certain that Madeleine is, in fact, dead," Mr Wolters said.

"We have made progress with the investigation, I can say that."

I think HCW offers  a real chance of justice for Madeleine
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 08:21:32 AM
Quote from: misty on August 15, 2020, 11:44:38 PM
CB had been extradited to Germany in 1999 (documents at Faro Court), was in custody between April & December 2006, the GNR were chasing him for unpaid fines.....it's not that Portugal didn't know he was back in their country.

The PJ Legal Summary contains this statement:-

"Inquiries were made to locate and determine the current whereabouts and life style of individuals known to the PJ for the practice of sexual crimes, involving children or adolescents, no link to the disappearance was found."

If PJ failed to investigate CB, how many others did they miss?

"Portugal" may have known he was in the area, "Portugal" may have known he had a conviction in Germany. Now demonstrate that the Policia Judiciaria had been informed about him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 16, 2020, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on August 15, 2020, 10:57:58 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8631335/Christian-Brueckner-jailed-sexually-abusing-ex-girlfriends-five-year-old-daughter.html

Revealed: Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner was jailed for sexually abusing his ex-girlfriend's five-year-old daughter in a public park

So he was jailed in March 2017 for 11 months for the sex attack ,that takes it to April 2018, in 2018 he was extradited from Italy for a drug offence, when did this drug offence take place?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 16, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 08:21:32 AM
"Portugal" may have known he was in the area, "Portugal" may have known he had a conviction in Germany. Now demonstrate that the Policia Judiciaria had been informed about him.

The good news is hes well known now...although some posters here think he should be allowed to go unnoticed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 16, 2020, 09:59:50 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 16, 2020, 09:25:24 AM
So he was jailed in March 2017 for 11 months for the sex attack ,that takes it to April 2018, in 2018 he was extradited from Italy for a drug offence, when did this drug offence take place?

11 months doesn't sound long for this sex abuse - perhaps it was just a teeny bit of abuse.

Interestingly this arose from material found in his flat, not under some decomposing dog.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 10:33:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 16, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
The good news is hes well known now...although some posters here think he should be allowed to go unnoticed

Obviously you're unable to demonstrate that the PJ knew about his German criminal past in 2007, so your post is irrelevant imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 16, 2020, 11:31:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 16, 2020, 08:15:52 AM
Im sure the Germans have more than this but can you not see the irony in his statement. The lawyer is being paid to defend his client...everything he says should be seen in that light. We cant take anything he says as being impartial. he criticices the witness but describes his client ...a rapist and a paedophile ..in glowing terms.
I also think Brückner and his lawyer are trying to figure out who this ‘witness’ might be. As far as I understand, they would not have any knowledge of the German investigation as yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 16, 2020, 11:31:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 08:21:32 AM
"Portugal" may have known he was in the area, "Portugal" may have known he had a conviction in Germany. Now demonstrate that the Policia Judiciaria had been informed about him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html
*snipped*
Mugshots of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner dating back two decades prove Portuguese police knew about his sordid past but still dismissed him as a suspect.

The series of pictures were taken in the Algarve in July 1999 – eight years before the youngster was abducted from Praia da Luz.

Brueckner, then 22, was being extradited back to Germany to be sent to jail for sexually assaulting a six-year-old girl in a playground in 1994.

(see article for one mugshot. Not sure who other than PJ would have taken the mugshots)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 16, 2020, 11:34:21 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 10:33:39 AM
Obviously you're unable to demonstrate that the PJ knew about his German criminal past in 2007, so your post is irrelevant imo.
Didn’t Brückner himself tell Portuguese authorities that he has a conviction for sexual offense in Germany?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 16, 2020, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 10:33:39 AM
Obviously you're unable to demonstrate that the PJ knew about his German criminal past in 2007, so your post is irrelevant imo.
My post is extremely relevant ...several posters have objected to CB being named. The fact is it's far better that people know about people like CB...he certainly will be flagged up in any future investigation if and when he is released
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 16, 2020, 12:14:35 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 16, 2020, 11:31:07 AM
I also think Brückner and his lawyer are trying to figure out who this ‘witness’ might be. As far as I understand, they would not have any knowledge of the German investigation as yet.

But Wolters has never talked of any witness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 16, 2020, 11:34:21 AM
Didn’t Brückner himself tell Portuguese authorities that he has a conviction for sexual offense in Germany?

The Portuguese authorities aren't 'the PJ'. Did anyone tell them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 16, 2020, 12:46:08 PM
Quote from: misty on August 16, 2020, 11:31:40 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html
*snipped*
Mugshots of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner dating back two decades prove Portuguese police knew about his sordid past but still dismissed him as a suspect.

The series of pictures were taken in the Algarve in July 1999 – eight years before the youngster was abducted from Praia da Luz.

Brueckner, then 22, was being extradited back to Germany to be sent to jail for sexually assaulting a six-year-old girl in a playground in 1994.

(see article for one mugshot. Not sure who other than PJ would have taken the mugshots)

Thank you Misty.

It bemuses me somewhat that the facts as we know them are repeatedly demanded as though repetition is going to effect change in them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 16, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 10:33:39 AM
Obviously you're unable to demonstrate that the PJ knew about his German criminal past in 2007, so your post is irrelevant imo.

If he was indeed extradited back to Germany from Portugal in 1999, then I don't see how the PJ wouldn't have known.

"Brückner had grown up in Würzburg in Bavaria. He was just 15 when he had his first brush with the law, breaking into a house in 1992.

Two years later in 1994, aged just 17, he was convicted for the first time of child s-e-x offences, including “performing sexual acts in front of a child”. He was sentenced to two years but released part way through.

Brückner decided he needed a new start in life. With his girlfriend, he chose to head for the Algarve in southern Portugal. He selected the town of Lagos and headed there in 1995. Lagos, fate would have it, is just a few miles east along the coast from Praia da Luz. Bruckner had just turned 18, had a new driver’s licence and the Algarve was a favourite in those days for teenage German backpackers. “We didn’t know anything about Portugal. We went to Lagos because we liked the name so much,” he is quoted as saying in German newspapers. “We had a tent with us and camped in the wild.”

He had planned to start his own business but in 1999 the authorities caught up with him again. Brückner was arrested and extradited to Germany where he served a short sentence for further juvenile crimes."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/10/new-german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-everything-know/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 16, 2020, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: misty on August 16, 2020, 11:31:40 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html
*snipped*
Mugshots of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner dating back two decades prove Portuguese police knew about his sordid past but still dismissed him as a suspect.

The series of pictures were taken in the Algarve in July 1999 – eight years before the youngster was abducted from Praia da Luz.

Brueckner, then 22, was being extradited back to Germany to be sent to jail for sexually assaulting a six-year-old girl in a playground in 1994.

(see article for one mugshot. Not sure who other than PJ would have taken the mugshots)

I can make out the top line: PJ Faro.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 16, 2020, 12:46:08 PM
Thank you Misty.

It bemuses me somewhat that the facts as we know them are repeatedly demanded as though repetition is going to effect change in them.

It's a fact he was extradited in 1999. It is alleged that the PJ should have been aware of that and the reason for it in 2007. Can you prove that the PJ in Portimao had access to records of that process? If not it's not a fact that they did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 16, 2020, 02:07:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 16, 2020, 12:14:35 PM
But Wolters has never talked of any witness.
Yes, but Fulscher did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 16, 2020, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 12:17:52 PM
The Portuguese authorities aren't 'the PJ'. Did anyone tell them?
I believe they did have knowledge of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 16, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
It's a fact he was extradited in 1999. It is alleged that the PJ should have been aware of that and the reason for it in 2007. Can you prove that the PJ in Portimao had access to records of that process? If not it's not a fact that they did.

Can anyone work out the date of the mugshot?

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/19/09/30935764-8538057-The_drifter_pictured_in_the_1999_mugshots_served_a_two_year_sent-m-14_1595146114025.jpg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 16, 2020, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: Carana on August 16, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
Can anyone work out the date of the mugshot?


The date of the 1999 mugshot?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 16, 2020, 03:04:08 PM
Quote from: Carana on August 16, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
Can anyone work out the date of the mugshot?

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/19/09/30935764-8538057-The_drifter_pictured_in_the_1999_mugshots_served_a_two_year_sent-m-14_1595146114025.jpg)


What does the board at the bottom of picture say?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 16, 2020, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 16, 2020, 02:09:48 PM
I believe they did have knowledge of it.

So how does he know if Wolters hasn't told him of a witness?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 16, 2020, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 16, 2020, 03:11:38 PM
So how does he know if Wolters hasn't told him of a witness?

There was an associate of CB questioned in Graz, Austria.....perhaps thats the one
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 16, 2020, 03:50:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 16, 2020, 03:04:08 PM

What does the board at the bottom of picture say?

I can make out PJ Faro... the rest is a bit too blurry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 04:05:41 PM
Quote from: Carana on August 16, 2020, 03:50:06 PM
I can make out PJ Faro... the rest is a bit too blurry.

In the end, imo, no-one knows what records the authorities were supposed to keep in 1999. Therefore they don't know if CB's records were noted or where. Neither do they know if the PJ in Portimao had access to those records in 2007. In theory the UK police should have known about Ian Huntley, but they didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 16, 2020, 04:15:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 04:05:41 PM
In the end, imo, no-one knows what records the authorities were supposed to keep in 1999. Therefore they don't know if CB's records were noted or where. Neither do they know if the PJ in Portimao had access to those records in 2007. In theory the UK police should have known about Ian Huntley, but they didn't.
Drawing attention to failings by Police Force X to deflect from the failings of Police Force Y does not excuse the failings of Police Force Y, does it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 16, 2020, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Carana on August 16, 2020, 03:50:06 PM
I can make out PJ Faro... the rest is a bit too blurry.
16.06.1999 - 12.34pm (I made the time up)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 09:48:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 16, 2020, 04:15:10 PM
Drawing attention to failings by Police Force X to deflect from the failings of Police Force Y does not excuse the failings of Police Force Y, does it?

In the Huntley case the location and type of records weren't suitable. Could it be that the same problem hindered the PJ in the McCann case? At the moment blame is being placed without explanation of how and why CB's details weren't found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 16, 2020, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 09:48:03 PM
In the Huntley case the location and type of records weren't suitable. Could it be that the same problem hindered the PJ in the McCann case? At the moment blame is being placed without explanation of how and why CB's details weren't found.
You want an explanation from us how the PJ weren’t able to find details of CB and thinkthat until we provide it we are not in a position to criticise?  I see.  It’s strange I don’t see you remonsrating with the numerous posters on here criticizing the Met and the German police for not providing explanations as to. how and why their perceived failings came about. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 11:14:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 16, 2020, 09:54:42 PM
You want an explanation from us how the PJ weren’t able to find details of CB and thinkthat until we provide it we are not in a position to criticise?  I see.  It’s strange I don’t see you remonsrating with the numerous posters on here criticizing the Met and the German police for not providing explanations as to. how and why their perceived failings came about.

You can criticise all you like, but unless you can show that the blame actually lies with those you are criticising your criticisms can't be seen to be deserved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 16, 2020, 11:20:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 11:14:36 PM
You can criticise all you like, but unless you can show that the blame actually lies with those you are criticising your criticisms can't be seen to be deserved.
By whom?  The All Powerful Criticism Arbiter?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 17, 2020, 06:45:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2020, 09:48:03 PM
In the Huntley case the location and type of records weren't suitable. Could it be that the same problem hindered the PJ in the McCann case? At the moment blame is being placed without explanation of how and why CB's details weren't found.

A few pages back, someone argued that just because the PT authorities knew about his child sex offense, it didn't mean that the PJ did. But PJ Faro presumably did, as they took his mugshot prior to his extradition for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 17, 2020, 10:49:12 AM
Quote from: Carana on August 17, 2020, 06:45:40 AM
A few pages back, someone argued that just because the PT authorities knew about his child sex offense, it didn't mean that the PJ did. But PJ Faro presumably did, as they took his mugshot prior to his extradition for it.

Amaral mentions a register of all paedophiles present in the region. Whether CB was on this register I don't know, as he had never been convicted of offences against children in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 17, 2020, 11:23:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 17, 2020, 10:49:12 AM
Amaral mentions a register of all paedophiles present in the region. Whether CB was on this register I don't know, as he had never been convicted of offences against children in Portugal.

Interesting point. Do registers of sex offenders get updated with foreigners who enter a country but haven't offended in that country ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 17, 2020, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 17, 2020, 11:23:00 AM
Interesting point. Do registers of sex offenders get updated with foreigners who enter a country but haven't offended in that country ?

Not necessarily. If a UK sex offender on the Sex Offender's Register decides to go on holiday to the Algarve they have to inform the UK police of their intention. The UK police then decide whether or not to inform Portugal of their visit.
https://www.nacro.org.uk/resettlement-advice-service/support-for-individuals/advice-prisoners-people-licence-sex-offenders-mappa/advice-people-convicted-sex-offences/#abroad

In 2007 neither Portugal nor Germany had a national register; in fact Germany still doesn't have one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 17, 2020, 01:14:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 17, 2020, 10:49:12 AM
Amaral mentions a register of all paedophiles present in the region. Whether CB was on this register I don't know, as he had never been convicted of offences against children in Portugal.
Why did the police knock on his door then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on August 17, 2020, 10:17:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 14, 2020, 08:45:48 AM
There was only one Vodaphone mast in Luz.
Two, "Praia da Luz" and "Praia da Luz Center".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 12:46:40 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on August 17, 2020, 10:17:38 PM
Two, "Praia da Luz" and "Praia da Luz Center".

My, my six likes ! I haven’t seen such fan girl adulation since Redwod retired. All you need now is Davel and you’ve got the full set.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 06:34:25 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 12:46:40 AM
My, my six likes ! I haven’t seen such fan girl adulation since Redwod retired. All you need now is Davel and you’ve got the full set.
You come across as envious.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 18, 2020, 06:46:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 17, 2020, 10:49:12 AM
Amaral mentions a register of all paedophiles present in the region. Whether CB was on this register I don't know, as he had never been convicted of offences against children in Portugal.

Can you remember what he actually said?

The UK informally passed on info on known or suspected child sex offenders (which they had assumed would be kept confidential, but led to quite a panic over potential leaks via the Amaral-era-friendly tabloid media - cf UK police correspondence).

Portugal's own child sex offender register was passed by Parliament in 2015 and came into force in 2016.
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/child-sex-offender-register-approved/35648

They may have got the odd tip-off from other sources, but I would find it unlikely that they had a *register" of *all" paedophiles in the region.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on August 18, 2020, 07:02:28 AM
Clearer mugshots: taken 13 July 1999.

(https://e3.365dm.com/20/07/2048x1152/skynews-christian-b-maddie_5046372.jpg)
https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-portugal-reopen-rape-investigation-after-claim-against-madeleine-mccann-suspect-12033629
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 18, 2020, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on August 17, 2020, 10:17:38 PM
Two, "Praia da Luz" and "Praia da Luz Center".

Are you sure? It seems to be saying here that "Praia da Luz" is Optimus?

Following which are contacts made at 16:43:53, 16:46:37 and 16:58:51 on the antennae "Praia da Luz", "Budens" and "Luz (Lagos)" - Optimus network - respectively.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 10:52:25 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 06:34:25 AM
You come across as envious.

Do I ? Of what ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 18, 2020, 11:16:20 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 10:52:25 AM
Do I ? Of what ?
Envious of some internet dudes apparent knowledge of mobile phone masts in a specific region of Portugal, that has subsequently been elucidated on a niche forum on said internet.
Although I can't understand why you would be so spiteful and envious, as it would appear that the internet dude's information is off in the most remedial manner - Is it one or two? Two! No, wrong, it's one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 11:27:05 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 16, 2020, 04:15:10 PM
Drawing attention to failings by Police Force X to deflect from the failings of Police Force Y does not excuse the failings of Police Force Y, does it?


I would say it does when they dont get the information requested ...as in SY not cooperating with PJ.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 11:27:05 AM

I would say it does when they dont get the information requested ...as in SY not cooperating with PJ.

Just in case you ask VS.

 We also wish to pick up the diary that Kate started to keep from May 3rd. Finally, we would like to question the group of friends again, to confront them about their contradictions concerning their system for checking the children during the evening dinners at the Ocean Club.

At the same time, we hope to obtain a response to our request to the British authorities, made through the liaison officer in Portugal on the first day of the investigation, for information on the McCann family and their friends. Given the fact that we have, so far, received no response to this enquiry, we will make the request for the desired information through the rogatory letter. We ask Stuart about this matter and he says that, "they are in the process of gathering that information."

However, a preliminary response comes to us about the McCanns' financial situation: astonishingly, there are no records of the McCanns holding any credit or debit cards.

- That's quite simply not possible!

- They don't have credit cards? However, we know that they hold at least two: one which they used to pay for the flights, and a second which was used for the hire of the Renault Scenic.

- The English need to sort themselves out. We need the McCanns' financial statements from the start of their holiday in Portugal.

It's obvious we're going to have a hard time getting the required details: with such information, it would not be difficult to follow the McCanns' trail, to know about their expenses, their movements, and to draw conclusions from what came up. Meanwhile, Stuart makes another request. He says it would be a good idea to send two rogatory letters: one for the friends and another for the McCann couple. We don't understand this one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 18, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Quote from: The General on August 18, 2020, 11:16:20 AM
Envious of some internet dudes apparent knowledge of mobile phone masts in a specific region of Portugal, that has subsequently been elucidated on a niche forum on said internet.
Although I can't understand why you would be so spiteful and envious, you crank, as it would appear that the internet dude's information is off in the most remedial manner - Is it one or two? Two! No, wrong, it's one.

I think SIL may have the answer. Was Heri's data taken from 2013 and therefore included a mast which wasn't present in 2007?

He pointed out that he might need a refinement as his data set is from Aug 2013. Google streetview can be used to show that one of the masts did not exist in Aug 2009.
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/tag/telephone-records/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 18, 2020, 12:03:16 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 11:38:18 AM
Just in case you ask VS.

 We also wish to pick up the diary that Kate started to keep from May 3rd. Finally, we would like to question the group of friends again, to confront them about their contradictions concerning their system for checking the children during the evening dinners at the Ocean Club.

At the same time, we hope to obtain a response to our request to the British authorities, made through the liaison officer in Portugal on the first day of the investigation, for information on the McCann family and their friends. Given the fact that we have, so far, received no response to this enquiry, we will make the request for the desired information through the rogatory letter. We ask Stuart about this matter and he says that, "they are in the process of gathering that information."

However, a preliminary response comes to us about the McCanns' financial situation: astonishingly, there are no records of the McCanns holding any credit or debit cards.

- That's quite simply not possible!

- They don't have credit cards? However, we know that they hold at least two: one which they used to pay for the flights, and a second which was used for the hire of the Renault Scenic.

- The English need to sort themselves out. We need the McCanns' financial statements from the start of their holiday in Portugal.

It's obvious we're going to have a hard time getting the required details: with such information, it would not be difficult to follow the McCanns' trail, to know about their expenses, their movements, and to draw conclusions from what came up. Meanwhile, Stuart makes another request. He says it would be a good idea to send two rogatory letters: one for the friends and another for the McCann couple. We don't understand this one.

19. The Portuguese police were told by British police: “The McCanns have no credit or ATM cards”. But their flights to Portugal and hire of a Renault Scenic in Portugal were paid with credit cards. Then Gerry McCann admitted having credit cards, saying they went missing after his wallet was stolen. He gave two different places where his wallet was stolen: Waterloo Station - or ‘near Downing Street’.

 
Verdict - False and True  “Records are not automatically held”, does not equate to “have no credit or ATM cards”.

Amaral's poor understanding of the information received had him interpret as being said, by the authorities in Britian, that the McCanns had no credit or ATM cards, when in fact, the communication said no such thing.

There is no connection between misinterpreted information on the credit and ATM cards, and the theft of Gerry’s wallet. The newspapers were responsible for reporting the wallet theft in two different places.

 
Source   -Gonçalo Amaral's book, newspaper articles, Gerry McCann's blog and police files
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077777/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2019


Just another example of Amaral displaying his ignorance yet again.  Beats me why anyone falls for it time and time again until it is a factoid or as some sceptics might say "a LEGEND".


Anyway why is this rubbish not being displayed on its own thread.  This thread's topic centres on "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance."

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 18, 2020, 12:03:16 PM
19. The Portuguese police were told by British police: “The McCanns have no credit or ATM cards”. But their flights to Portugal and hire of a Renault Scenic in Portugal were paid with credit cards. Then Gerry McCann admitted having credit cards, saying they went missing after his wallet was stolen. He gave two different places where his wallet was stolen: Waterloo Station - or ‘near Downing Street’.

 
Verdict - False and True  “Records are not automatically held”, does not equate to “have no credit or ATM cards”.

Amaral's poor understanding of the information received had him interpret as being said, by the authorities in Britian, that the McCanns had no credit or ATM cards, when in fact, the communication said no such thing.

There is no connection between misinterpreted information on the credit and ATM cards, and the theft of Gerry’s wallet. The newspapers were responsible for reporting the wallet theft in two different places.

 
Source   -Gonçalo Amaral's book, newspaper articles, Gerry McCann's blog and police files
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077777/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2019


Just another example of Amaral displaying his ignorance yet again.  Beats me why anyone falls for it time and time again until it is a factoid or as some sceptics might say "a LEGEND".


Anyway why is this rubbish not being displayed on its own thread.  This thread's topic centres on "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance."




 Well at the moment seems its a myth that CB was involved in the abduction of maddie.

Like the myth maddie was abducted....nothing to say that she was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 12:53:26 PM
Quote from: The General on August 18, 2020, 11:16:20 AM
Envious of some internet dudes apparent knowledge of mobile phone masts in a specific region of Portugal, that has subsequently been elucidated on a niche forum on said internet.
Although I can't understand why you would be so spiteful and envious, you crank, as it would appear that the internet dude's information is off in the most remedial manner - Is it one or two? Two! No, wrong, it's one.

Oh that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 12:58:24 PM
Brietta opines “ Beats me why anyone falls for it time and time again ”

Me too....but you do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: The General on August 18, 2020, 11:16:20 AM
Envious of some internet dudes apparent knowledge of mobile phone masts in a specific region of Portugal, that has subsequently been elucidated on a niche forum on said internet.
Although I can't understand why you would be so spiteful and envious, you crank, as it would appear that the internet dude's information is off in the most remedial manner - Is it one or two? Two! No, wrong, it's one.
Heriberto, an internet dude. So much disrespect towards someone who actually makes a real contribution to this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 18, 2020, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 11:27:05 AM

I would say it does when they dont get the information requested ...as in SY not cooperating with PJ.
Eh?  No it doesn't but carry on making excuses for PJ ineptitude by highlighting ineptitude in other police forces if you think it really helps your case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 18, 2020, 01:45:26 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
Heriberto, an internet dude. So much disrespect towards someone who actually makes a real contribution to this case.

I don't think some people have quite got over their chagrin when Heri demonstrated exactly how simple and easy it was for shutters like the ones located in the apartment blocks to be raised and entry gained via the window.

Testament to the burglaries known to take place in the holiday complex are the metal bars now covering some windows.

Brueckner was a burglar who lived very near and committed some of his crimes in Praia da Luz.  He is also a convicted paedophile.  One can immediately see the attraction of being rude about a well respected forum member  when ... Heaven forfend!! there is a very viable prime suspect who might, if allowed, become the focus of attention.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 01:50:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 18, 2020, 01:29:33 PM
Eh?  No it doesn't but carry on making excuses for PJ ineptitude by highlighting ineptitude in other police forces if you think it really helps your case.

Its not me that makes the excuses...you can carry on praising OG who 12 millian + are on a hiding to nothing it seems.

Mind you you cant find what isnt there ....such as an abductor it seems.or abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 18, 2020, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 18, 2020, 12:03:16 PM
19. The Portuguese police were told by British police: “The McCanns have no credit or ATM cards”. But their flights to Portugal and hire of a Renault Scenic in Portugal were paid with credit cards. Then Gerry McCann admitted having credit cards, saying they went missing after his wallet was stolen. He gave two different places where his wallet was stolen: Waterloo Station - or ‘near Downing Street’.

 
Verdict - False and True  “Records are not automatically held”, does not equate to “have no credit or ATM cards”.

Amaral's poor understanding of the information received had him interpret as being said, by the authorities in Britian, that the McCanns had no credit or ATM cards, when in fact, the communication said no such thing.

There is no connection between misinterpreted information on the credit and ATM cards, and the theft of Gerry’s wallet. The newspapers were responsible for reporting the wallet theft in two different places.

 
Source   -Gonçalo Amaral's book, newspaper articles, Gerry McCann's blog and police files
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077777/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2019


Just another example of Amaral displaying his ignorance yet again.  Beats me why anyone falls for it time and time again until it is a factoid or as some sceptics might say "a LEGEND".


Anyway why is this rubbish not being displayed on its own thread.  This thread's topic centres on "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance."

Gerry McCann
No record of a current bank account is held. No credit cards or loans recorded. His mortgage is with Northern Rock. No arrears or defaults recorded.

Kate McCann
No record of a current bank account is held. No credit cards or loans recorded. Her mortgage is with Northern Rock. No arrears or defaults recorded.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS9_FINANCIAL.htm

The media seemed unsure of the location of the wallet theft. Waterloo Station is mentioned, as is Downing Street and the Foreign Office.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 18, 2020, 01:58:02 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 18, 2020, 01:45:26 PM
I don't think some people have quite got over their chagrin when Heri demonstrated exactly how simple and easy it was for shutters like the ones located in the apartment blocks to be raised and entry gained via the window.

Testament to the burglaries known to take place in the holiday complex are the metal bars now covering some windows.

Brueckner was a burglar who lived very near and committed some of his crimes in Praia da Luz.  He is also a convicted paedophile.  One can immediately see the attraction of being rude about a well respected forum member  when ... Heaven forfend!! there is a very viable prime suspect who might, if allowed, become the focus of attention.
Who are these people who haven't been able to quell their chagrin? I don't know who this guy is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 18, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 18, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
I think SIL may have the answer. Was Heri's data taken from 2013 and therefore included a mast which wasn't present in 2007?

He pointed out that he might need a refinement as his data set is from Aug 2013. Google streetview can be used to show that one of the masts did not exist in Aug 2009.
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/tag/telephone-records/

The Vodaphone ping data in PJ files shows 2 mast locations, Praia da Luz & Praia da Luz Central. (see screenshot example https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA_VOD/OA_11_VOD_Page_003.jpg).
Praia da Luz Central base station appears to be located on building 2 Rua Primeiro Maio (goole maps co-ords  37.086352, -8.730732) alongside the TNM antenna - see attached image.

*Credit to a poster on another forum for this information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 18, 2020, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 01:50:25 PM
Its not me that makes the excuses...you can carry on praising OG who 12 millian + are on a hiding to nothing it seems.

Mind you you cant find what isnt there ....such as an abductor it seems.or abduction.
Have I been praising OG?  Perhaps you can provide a cite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 18, 2020, 02:12:33 PM
Quote from: The General on August 18, 2020, 01:58:02 PM
Who are these people who haven't been able to quell their chagrin? I don't know who this guy is.
He's an object of ridicule to the Sceptic community, as we all are, surely you know this?  Heris is a particular target because I think he's just about the only internet "dude" who has actually been taken seriously by the media a propos of this case and the sceptics can't stand it that no one on their side gets quoted or listened to by the dreaded "MSM".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 02:17:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 18, 2020, 02:12:33 PM
He's an object of ridicule to the Sceptic community, as we all are, surely you know this?  Heris is a particular target because I think he's just about the only internet "dude" who has actually been taken seriously by the media a propos of this case and the sceptics can't stand it that no one on their side gets quoted or listened to by the dreaded "MSM".

Well your obvisouly a fan..as thinking every thing MSM print/say is right .

Maybe they are important to you to put them on a pedistal...not everyone thinks like you though.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 18, 2020, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 12:11:54 PM




 Well at the moment seems its a myth that CB was involved in the abduction of maddie.

Like the myth maddie was abducted....nothing to say that she was.

SY say maddie was abducted and no one has proved them wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 18, 2020, 02:22:16 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 02:17:22 PM
Well your obvisouly a fan..as thinking every thing MSM print/say is right .

Maybe they are important to you to put them on a pedistal...not everyone thinks like you though.

yet you believe everything amaral says even though hes a convicted liar
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 18, 2020, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 18, 2020, 02:17:22 PM
Well your obvisouly a fan..as thinking every thing MSM print/say is right .

Maybe they are important to you to put them on a pedistal...not everyone thinks like you though.
I am a fan because I liked one of his posts you mean?  As for the rest of your gobbledegook post, it's not worthy of a response. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
Heriberto, an internet dude. So much disrespect towards someone who actually makes a real contribution to this case.

But not in a good way. Remember the lady in purple?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 18, 2020, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
Heriberto, an internet dude. So much disrespect towards someone who actually makes a real contribution to this case.

Who've they caught? and charged?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 18, 2020, 03:35:26 PM

Any more rude remarks about Heri will be Deleted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 18, 2020, 03:37:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 18, 2020, 02:12:33 PM
He's an object of ridicule to the Sceptic community, as we all are, surely you know this?  Heris is a particular target because I think he's just about the only internet "dude" who has actually been taken seriously by the media a propos of this case and the sceptics can't stand it that no one on their side gets quoted or listened to by the dreaded "MSM".

Taken that seriously that OG dug up Luz and questioned 3 amigo's under arguido status, both turned up zilch is that kudos?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 03:59:46 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 02:29:09 PM
But not in a good way. Remember the lady in purple?
I do. In the end Heri was able to eliminate/discard Luisa C as the woman in purple.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 18, 2020, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 18, 2020, 03:37:16 PM
Taken that seriously that OG dug up Luz and questioned 3 amigo's under arguido status, both turned up zilch is that kudos?

It is known as a police investigation the purpose of which is elimination as well as confirmation.  Brueckner has not yet been eliminated and it is thought possible that he may have had accomplices.  Maybe we have yet to see Karma.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 18, 2020, 04:10:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 18, 2020, 03:37:16 PM
Taken that seriously that OG dug up Luz and questioned 3 amigo's under arguido status, both turned up zilch is that kudos?
Are you suggesting that OG dug up Luz on Heri's say so?  I wouldn't say he was THAT influential!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 05:15:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 03:59:46 PM
I do. In the end Heri was able to eliminate/discard Luisa C as the woman in purple.

You memory seems to be failing you...the real investigators did that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 18, 2020, 03:37:16 PM
Taken that seriously that OG dug up Luz and questioned 3 amigo's under arguido status, both turned up zilch is that kudos?

Ah yes the three arguidos that Heri targeted who were also eliminated.

There’s a pattern forming here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 05:35:00 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 05:15:16 PM
You memory seems to be failing you...the real investigators did that.
Perhaps. What is your excuse?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 05:15:16 PM
You memory seems to be failing you...the real investigators did that.
Who are the real investigators you are referring to, please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2020, 05:58:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 18, 2020, 05:35:00 PM
Perhaps. What is your excuse?

Excuse ? For what ?  I’m not quite following.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on August 18, 2020, 07:42:41 PM
https://www.esdiario.com/458497356/El-caso-Madeleine-McCan-fue-un-robo-que-se-convirtio-en-secuestro.html (https://www.esdiario.com/458497356/El-caso-Madeleine-McCan-fue-un-robo-que-se-convirtio-en-secuestro.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 18, 2020, 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on August 18, 2020, 07:42:41 PM
https://www.esdiario.com/458497356/El-caso-Madeleine-McCan-fue-un-robo-que-se-convirtio-en-secuestro.html (https://www.esdiario.com/458497356/El-caso-Madeleine-McCan-fue-un-robo-que-se-convirtio-en-secuestro.html)
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The Madeleine McCan case may be closer than ever to resolution, and a Spanish investigator may have had a lot to do with it. Heriberto Janosch is a psychologist, he carried out a thesis on Criminology, and has put all his resources and time at the service of a very complicated investigation to try to help.

A few weeks ago, just after the 13th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, the German justice announced that they had a suspect who was a fit in the case and among other evidence they used to prove it from an image obtained by Professor Janosch: an image satellite from 2007 in which it was possible to identify what appeared to be the van of the suspect, Christian B, a pedophile serving a sentence in Germany.

Since then the police have not stopped investigating Christian B. They have searched his life and properties and claim to have sufficient evidence to continue doing so. Among them a dungeon hidden in a farm of his property. But the question is: Are we facing the murderer of Madeline McCan? And if so, was Christian trying to kidnap her that night?

The answers are complex, which is why ESdiario exclusively interviews the Spanish investigator who knows the case best.

- When did your interest in the case of the disappearance of little Madeleine arise and why did you pay attention to this investigation? What did you see special in it?

- About ten years ago a co-worker told me: “Have you noticed this case? The crime was committed by the parents ”. As a psychologist, I was struck by parents killing their 3-year-old daughter and hiding his body. As I had access to the Portuguese police proceedings, more than 11,000 pages, I began to study the case. That led me to become interested in criminology and criminology, obtaining my Ph.D. with a thesis on sexual offenders unknown to their victims.

- What tools did you use to calibrate the case? I mean what he had to resort to: visit the area, speak with witnesses, review documentation ...

- To study crimes such as murders, sexual assaults or disappearances, it is essential to visit the area where it occurred. Satellite images or Google Streetview photos are very useful, but they are not enough. You have to be in the place, especially at times and at similar times when the crime occurred. You have a very different perspective.

In the last ten years I have visited Praia da Luz 6 times, staying more or less a week each time. I know Praia da Luz better than my neighborhood, the tourist complex, the restaurants, the telephone masts… After reading the proceedings, I already had several hypotheses in mind, and on each occasion I directed my efforts in the place to check such hypotheses, document everything with photos and videos, and of course, talk to the locals ...

That is how I found out that the apartments suffered, at that time, constant theft. They took money, credit cards, cell phones, laptops ... That helped me formulate the hypothesis that I believed would solve the case: a robbery that escalated into kidnapping.

- What was your impression as soon as you landed on the case?

- The first thing I did was check the hypothesis that the parents had committed the crime. I hadn't read even 10% of the police proceedings, including the crime scene analyzes, the testimonies of hundreds of people, and the time sequence of events, when I realized that the parents had not committed any crime. They had made a serious mistake, leaving the children alone for periods of between 15 and 30 minutes. It was during one of these periods that Madeleine was taken from her room. But there is a big difference between a crime and a mistake! The intention to do harm must be taken into account.

- Would you say that it was a preconceived investigation? Do you think that the investigators soon noticed the girl's parents and directed their investigations there?

- The Polícia Judiciária de Portugal acted very pressured by the repercussion of the case, even so the file contains a lot of information that I consider relevant for the resolution of the same, obtained in a very professional way. In my opinion what has failed was the direction of the investigation during the first five months, since it focused too much on a single lead at a time (first on the local neighbor, Robert Murat, and then on Madeleine's parents) , and all other possible lines of investigation were neglected.

In particular, a dozen cases of robbery, close to Madeleine's apartment in time and space, were already included in the first witness statements, but that track was never followed in depth. Precious time was lost.

 13 years later Christian Brueckner, a repeat pedophile, appears on the scene. I would like you to make an assessment of this person as a suspect and the soundness of this line of investigation.

- I am in contact with the German prosecutor, H. Christian Wolters, and I consider him a person of integrity, who knows what he is talking about. He has proof that Madeleine is dead, from searches made in Neuwegersleben, Germany, since February 2016, where a huge amount of pedophile audiovisual material was found, in an abandoned factory that the suspect used to use. I consider this line of investigation not only auspicious but most likely the one that will lead to the resolution of the case. But we cannot rely on the criminal history of Christian B., because someone could have committed many crimes, and not precisely the one that is of interest to us.

You have to get proof that he actually did commit Madeleine's murder. His criminal history can be horrendous, in fact it is, but that does not serve as evidence in the case of Madeleine, and what the prosecutor Wolters needs now is to find the material evidence, DNA, testimonies, telephone records, etc. ... to be able to incriminate him .

- Allow me the nerve: How the hell did you find a van that could be linked to the case looking at satellite photos?

- First of all, it must be said that it is not yet confirmed that the truck I found in a satellite photo is that of the suspect, but it is true that its proportions are quite similar to that of a Westafalia. When the Bundeskriminalamt, the German judicial police, requested help from the population, I tried to travel to Praia da Luz, but they advised me not to go because of the Covid19 issue. So I began to search the satellite photos, in the areas that the suspect frequented: Foral, Monte Judeu, Praia da Luz, and the coastal area from Praia da Luz to Vila do Bispo.

I looked for photos close in time to the day of the crime. In particular, the photo that has appeared in various media showing the van is from June 22, 2007, seven weeks after the crime, and the place is next to the house that Christian B. occupied in 2006, about two kilometers from the apartment where Madeleine slept.

- I am sure you are an excellent profiler. Would you share with our readers the keys to the profile of Madeleine's kidnapper and alleged murderer?

- Today's criminological profiles, in my opinion, have no evidentiary value, they should not be used in a criminal trial. But they can be very useful to guide the police investigation, in the search for suspects. I did a criminological profile on Madeleine's abductor in June 2016.

On that occasion I wrote, among other things: “The kidnapper's primary motive is to steal securities such as money, mobile phones, laptops, watches, rings, etc. Small high-value items that you can easily transport without the need for a motorized vehicle. But a sexual motive cannot be ruled out yet. The modus operandi consists of opening a window from the outside, in apartments that are occupied, but which, circumstantially, at the time of the events, there seems to be no one inside (…). The offender commits his crimes in solitude, or at most he has an accomplice, a companion of adventures, of his total confidence (…). The kidnapper does not know the victim in advance, his objective is another, to steal (…). It is a man between 25 and 35 years old, who lives and / or works in Praia da Luz. He does not present any psychotic disorder, he does not suffer loss of reality. He knows well what he is doing, in this case stealing (…). You have an anti-social or psychopathic personality disorder. He knows how to distinguish what is right from what is wrong, but he is not concerned, he lives according to his own rules (…). It is difficult for the offender to confess, given his psychopathic personality. He will only confess if he is caught and can take advantage of the confession, such as a reduced sentence ”.

I still think that the main motive of the criminal was the robbery, and that only circumstantially did the pedophile emerge when he was surprised by Madeleine.

- Going back to Brueckner. The police focus all their efforts on him. Does Madeleine's family have reason to believe that they are closer to knowing what happened to their daughter?

- Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, now have good reason to believe that they are close to knowing what happened to their daughter. But they will not accept her death without solid evidence. Prosecutor Wolters has that evidence, but will not release it until the appropriate time comes.

-13 years later, that the case continues where it is, is it the result of bad luck, police negligence or the enormous fortune of the criminal?

- In this case the main cause, in my opinion, was the misdirection that the investigation took in the first moments, focusing on only two leads, and neglecting others, some of them much more promising.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on August 18, 2020, 11:57:31 PM
None of this provides any evidence that Christian Brueckner was anywhere near the McCanns apartment let alone in it which is surprising if he really did abduct Madeleine. I fear this entire public lynching comprises yet another wild goose chase intended merely to massage the ego of certain police Investigators.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The Buccaneer on August 19, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
The latest desperately silly stunt attempting to finger a German convicted of raping an OLD WOMAN is in my opinion, risible in the extreme.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 19, 2020, 01:48:14 AM
Quote from: John on August 18, 2020, 11:57:31 PM
None of this provides any evidence that Christian Brueckner was anywhere near the McCanns apartment let alone in it which is surprising if he really did abduct Madeleine. I fear this entire public lynching comprises yet another wild goose chase intended merely to massage the ego of certain police Investigators.

It is interesting though that initially as someone looking at Madeleine’s case with entirely fresh eyes Heriberto was able to pick up on issues which had largely been either dismissed or overlooked as a line of investigation by the Portuguese.

I don’t think anyone on this forum has come even close to suggesting a public lynching of Brueckner for crimes against Madeleine for the simple reason that despite the Germans being sure enough of his guilt to name him as a prime suspect, they have not produced the clincher which would result in charges being laid against him.

Far from it being a wild goose case I think a thorough investigation of a person with the profile presented by Brueckner is essential and the only criticism I would make is that it is long overdue.

The McCann private investigators were the first to hit upon it many years ago;  the scoping exercise followed by Scotland Yard’s review reinforced the necessity to follow evidence of stranger abduction by opening their own investigation; and the Policia Judiciaria investigated Euclides Monteiro right at the start of the Portuguese reopening of Madeleine’s case.

Just by talking to locals in Praia da Luz,  Heri was able to ascertain that the holiday resort was a hotbed of burglaries around the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.

That same information must have been available at the time, just as Scotland Yard’s indication of the assaults of children in their beds as a significant factor must have been too. 

Yet we have had the circus of the ‘parents dunnit’ for over thirteen years and a known paedophile and career criminal like Brueckner left free to do what he does best which is to continue offending.

Based on the information in the public domain regarding him I for one believe that the police would be failing in their duty if they didn't try to complete the job of finding as much evidence to keep him in jail for as long as possible.

To that end it will be interesting to see if the Germans will be able to establish grounds for charging him with the rape of the Irish woman.
Surely there cannot have been more than one rapist who films his crimes on the loose in the Algarve?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 19, 2020, 06:05:27 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 18, 2020, 04:03:01 PM
It is known as a police investigation the purpose of which is elimination as well as confirmation.  Brueckner has not yet been eliminated and it is thought possible that he may have had accomplices.  Maybe we have yet to see Karma.
Of He was an accomplish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
I don't see how anyone could deny that CB is a possible suspect in this case and well worthy of investigation..he may well be guilty. It just depends on what evidence the Germans have. The article by Hero alluded to the audio visuals found...that may well be the key...similar to the Rui Pedro case where evidence of his abuse was found
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 07:12:28 AM
Quote from: The Buccaneer on August 19, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
The latest desperately silly stunt attempting to finger a German convicted of raping an OLD WOMAN is in my opinion, risible in the extreme.
You’re not allowed to call her an old woman.  It upsets people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 07:27:57 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 19, 2020, 06:05:27 AM
Of He was an accomplish.
Is that Shakespeare?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 07:31:09 AM
Quote from: John on August 18, 2020, 11:57:31 PM
None of this provides any evidence that Christian Brueckner was anywhere near the McCanns apartment let alone in it which is surprising if he really did abduct Madeleine. I fear this entire public lynching comprises yet another wild goose chase intended merely to massage the ego of certain police Investigators.
It’s strange.  From what I can gather you think Madeleine came to harm at the hands of a.n. other after leaving the apartment but you won’t countenance the possibility that the police are investigating the right person for the crime.  Why not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 19, 2020, 08:14:00 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 19, 2020, 07:27:57 AM
Is that Shakespeare?
No, Shakeyspeller.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 08:17:34 AM
Quote from: Myster on August 19, 2020, 08:14:00 AM
No, Shakeyspeller.
@)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: puglove on August 19, 2020, 08:22:13 AM
Quote from: Myster on August 19, 2020, 08:14:00 AM
No, Shakeyspeller.

Oooh!! You're spoiling us, Mr. Ambassador!!


 8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 19, 2020, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 19, 2020, 06:05:27 AM
Of He was an accomplish.

If he was an accomplice, that in itself is an appropriate line for investigation.  But at the present time the German police apparently have much more on him than that.  Getting evidence which will stand up in court appears to be the  stumbling block for now.

I have noticed and I am sure you have too that there is a deafening silence emanating from the investigation just now.

No doubt you will have a different interpretation from me on that.  But my thoughts are along the lines that so much information has come in from their public appeals requiring evaluation in conjunction with materials from police searches that until they've worked through it all we can expect to hear nothing.
Which certainly does not equate with them doing nothing.

I am hopeful that very soon steps will be put in place which will lead to the resolution of what happened to Madeleine McCann all those years ago.

Did he act alone or did he have accomplices is certainly something the police may even already know the answer to, just they're not going to tell us about it at this stage.
But neither option makes the crime against Madeleine any less heinous than it is already nor does it exonerate a perpetrator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 19, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 19, 2020, 09:25:24 AM
If he was an accomplice, that in itself is an appropriate line for investigation.  But at the present time the German police apparently have much more on him than that.  Getting evidence which will stand up in court appears to be the  stumbling block for now.

I have noticed and I am sure you have too that there is a deafening silence emanating from the investigation just now.

No doubt you will have a different interpretation from me on that.  But my thoughts are along the lines that so much information has come in from their public appeals requiring evaluation in conjunction with materials from police searches that until they've worked through it all we can expect to hear nothing.
Which certainly does not equate with them doing nothing.

I am hopeful that very soon steps will be put in place which will lead to the resolution of what happened to Madeleine McCann all those years ago.

Did he act alone or did he have accomplices is certainly something the police may even already know the answer to, just they're not going to tell us about it at this stage.
But neither option makes the crime against Madeleine any less heinous than it is already nor does it exonerate a perpetrator.

I have noticed and I am sure you have too that there is a deafening silence emanating from the investigation just now.

Seems that could be because ...the German police have what they want to Keep CB in prison.

It's also a deafening silence from OG too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 19, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: kizzy on August 19, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
I have noticed and I am sure you have too that there is a deafening silence emanating from the investigation just now.

Seems that could be because ...the German police have what they want to Keep CB in prison.

It's also a deafening silence from OG too

If you are living in the hope that either the German police or the English police have given up on Madeleine McCann as long as there remains material and a suspect to be investigated ... I think you are living a false hope.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2020, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: kizzy on August 19, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
I have noticed and I am sure you have too that there is a deafening silence emanating from the investigation just now.

Seems that could be because ...the German police have what they want to Keep CB in prison.

It's also a deafening silence from OG too
I think they are building their case ....we will soon see. It is possible they have solved the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 19, 2020, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 19, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
If you are living in the hope that either the German police or the English police have given up on Madeleine McCann as long as there remains material and a suspect to be investigated ... I think you are living a false hope.

Oh no false hope from me. Its just they wont get anywhere unless they start looking in the right places ...and suspects. imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 19, 2020, 12:04:44 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 19, 2020, 11:49:42 AM
Oh no false hope from me. Its just they wont get anywhere unless they start looking in the right places ...and suspects. imo


So you are now calling the Portuguese incompetent.   They are working with the British Police and the German Police.  They are not looking at the McCann's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 19, 2020, 12:52:12 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 19, 2020, 12:04:44 PM

So you are now calling the Portuguese incompetent.   They are working with the British Police and the German Police.  They are not looking at the McCann's.

So whats your point then...why are you so worried that you have to keep defending the mccs.

I cant see how you can be so taken in with the german suspect...or is it anyone will do imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 19, 2020, 12:52:12 PM
So whats your point then...why are you so worried that you have to keep defending the mccs.

I cant see how you can be so taken in with the german suspect...or is it anyone will do imo
Don't mistake debate for worry.  No one is remotely worried for the McCanns as far as being suspects is concerned, of that I can assure you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 19, 2020, 01:56:01 PM
The German has nothing to worry about in this case unless he is Smithman  8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 19, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 19, 2020, 11:49:42 AM
Oh no false hope from me. Its just they wont get anywhere unless they start looking in the right places ...and suspects. imo

How far did looking where he looked get Amaral ~ apart from the sack.  I would have said that even back then Brueckner was a type to be a right place to have cast a wondering eye over ... and Amaral informs us that someone did try ... .

I wonder why Amaral didn't bother ... maybe Brueckner will be the subject of his next book and he can lie about it then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 19, 2020, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 19, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
How far did looking where he looked get Amaral ~ apart from the sack.  I would have said that even back then Brueckner was a type to be a right place to have cast a wondering eye over ... and Amaral informs us that someone did try ... .

I wonder why Amaral didn't bother ... maybe Brueckner will be the subject of his next book and he can lie about it then.

Well he already said CB is a scapegoat. so why write a book it says it all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 19, 2020, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 19, 2020, 02:39:03 PM
Well he already said CB is a scapegoat. so why write a book it says it all.

Got it in one there haven't you.  But it doesn't 'say it all' it only asks more questions.  Amaral's giving enough information for the identification of a man supposed to be protected by secrecy laws (then when did the law ever hamper Amaral) is a good starting point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2020, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 19, 2020, 02:53:25 PM
Got it in one there haven't you.  But it doesn't 'say it all' it only asks more questions.  Amaral's giving enough information for the identification of a man supposed to be protected by secrecy laws (then when did the law ever hamper Amaral) is a good starting point.

He didn't order the press to release his name.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 19, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
Americans playing catch-up, and still the crass, clueless comments continue...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fble0gA0pKc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fble0gA0pKc)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2020, 05:42:13 PM
Quote from: Myster on August 19, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
Americans playing catch-up, and still the crass, clueless comments continue...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fble0gA0pKc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fble0gA0pKc)

Far too few libelous comments there for my liking, I'll get onto it right away. Thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2020, 06:11:40 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 19, 2020, 12:04:44 PM

So you are now calling the Portuguese incompetent.   They are working with the British Police and the German Police.  They are not looking at the McCann's.

The German prosecutor seems to think that the Portuguese police are indeed still looking at the parents....and he should know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 06:18:02 PM
If anyone should know it’s Pedro De Carmo of the PJ.  “The parents are not suspects.  Period”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2020, 06:18:27 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 19, 2020, 06:11:40 PM
The German prosecutor seems to think that the Portuguese police are indeed still looking at the parents....and he should know.

do you or anyone else have a cite for that...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2020, 06:33:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 19, 2020, 06:18:02 PM
If anyone should know it’s Pedro De Carmo of the PJ.  “The parents are not suspects.  Period”.

He also said there was no evidence, which is untrue, since Martin Smith's witness statement is evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2020, 06:39:55 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2020, 06:33:30 PM
He also said there was no evidence, which is untrue, since Martin Smith's witness statement is evidence.


Another liar....well spotted...theyre all at it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 06:47:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2020, 06:33:30 PM
He also said there was no evidence, which is untrue, since Martin Smith's witness statement is evidence.
So. obviously they don’t think the parents dunnit if they’re dismissing the hallowed Smiths’ evidence, thanks for proving my point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2020, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 19, 2020, 06:47:22 PM
So. obviously they don’t think the parents dunnit if they’re dismissing the hallowed Smiths’ evidence, thanks for proving my point.

No, it just means Pedro lied.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2020, 06:48:02 PM
No, it just means Pedro lied.
How do you figure that one out?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2020, 06:54:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2020, 06:48:02 PM
No, it just means Pedro lied.

no he didnt...to show that you would have to understand what he meant by evidence...not what you mean
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 06:55:57 PM
A report in the PT press from one year ago.

PJ confirms that the investigation into the Maddie case is "still open"

The clarification of the Judiciary Police comes as a reaction after news were "made public" this Friday and following the "numerous requests" that the authorities are receiving.



The Judiciary Police confirms that the disappearance of Maddie McCann is still an open case.

"Given the news that were made public today [Friday] and the numerous requests for clarification on the subject," the Judiciary Police informs that "the investigation into the disappearance of an English child, that took place in Praia da Luz in 2007, remains open, within the scope of an investigation supervised by the Public Prosecutor of Portimão".

Moreover, the PJ informs, that this investigation "has been developed in articulation with international authorities, obeying the rules of judicial and police cooperation, which the circumstances of the situation warrant."

The statement comes after the publication, this Friday, in the newspaper Correio da Manhã of a news report that the Judiciary Police is following new leads related to the abduction of Maddie.

The newspaper also reveals that the PJ inspectors are following a new lead that involves a new suspect, but that the goal is to try to keep the operation in complete secrecy.

Madeleine McCann disappeared from a tourist complex on Praia da Luz in Lagos, Algarve, precisely 12 years ago. She was only three years-old, she would have been four years-old a few days later, on May 12.

in Notícias ao Minuto online, May 3, 2019

Sounds like they were working on the abduction theory with international authorities a year ago to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2020, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 19, 2020, 06:18:27 PM
do you or anyone else have a cite for that...

It was posted some time back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2020, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 19, 2020, 06:54:06 PM
no he didnt...to show that you would have to understand what he meant by evidence...not what you mean

Yes he did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 06:59:36 PM
Another report from a PT newspaper - sounds to me like the PJ were working on the abduction theory a year ago

Portuguese Judiciary Police follows new abduction leads

Ongoing Operation

PJ follows new abduction leads
CM Investigation - Maddie process reopened 12 years later
⇛ More inspectors search for the suspect that may have taken the child
⇛ Over 13 million euros spent so far in the search for the girl


from the Cover page

Judiciary follows new abduction lead in the Maddie case

Team reinforced → More inspectors are proceeding with the investigation to the new suspect of having taken the child of the village of Praia da Luz, exactly 12 years ago
Accidental Crime → Parents were constituted as arguidos. The case was then shelved.

by Tânia Laranjo/Débora Carvalho


A new lead and a new suspect - that the Judiciary Police tries to keep in absolute secrecy - have lead to the reintroduction of more means to investigate the whereabouts of the English child, who disappeared exactly 12 years ago, from a resort in Praia da Luz , Lagos. The process, which was sent to the PJ of Porto to be re-evaluated, now counts with the collaboration of a even wider team that still tries to clarify the mystery. This scenario would remove the parents from the equation - that had been constituted as arguidos earlier at the beginning of the case.

The Public Prosecutor's Office also admits that these new investigative lines are strong and can lead to the clarification of the process. A 12-year investigation marked by breakthroughs and setbacks. Maddie disappeared in the village where she was staying, from the bedroom where she was with her twin brothers of 18 months.

The alert was given at 10:00 pm by the mother and the Judiciary Police even admitted a scenario of accidental crime. Kate and Gerry Mccann were constituted as arguidos (suspects), the case was later shelved, but later on data emerged indicating the possibility that the child had been abducted.

Now and after a few years without any police investigations being publicly known, the Judiciary is back on the case and admits to be closer to knowing what happened to Madeleine Mccann. Even in an abduction scenario, the authorities have many doubts that the child, that would be 15 years-old today, is still alive.

Maddie's process continues at the DCIAP (Central Department for Investigation and Penal Action) of Portimão

The Public Prosecutor's Office confirms “active lines of investigation”
■ The CM (Correio da Manhã) asked to consult the process and this was granted at first. However, the magistrate has made a new dispatch, in which he does not authorize, since the investigation is "still with active lines of investigation" and its disclosure would be prejudicial.


MORE THAN 12 THOUSAND PAGES (top of page)
The process has more than 12 thousand pages and 17 volumes and annexes. During the thirteen months of investigation, the Judiciary Police conducted more than two thousand investigative proceedings, heard over 700 people, made close to 500 searches in Praia da Luz and identified more than two dozen suspects.



CM INVESTIGATION
Tonight at 21h15, in CMTV

'CM INVESTIGATION' reveals tonight, in exclusive, new abduction leads in the Maddie case. 12 years later, the PJ reinforces team in the last-ditch attempt with the hope of
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 07:00:39 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2020, 06:58:20 PM
Yes he did.
Please provide the cite in context thanks
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 19, 2020, 07:06:12 PM
It’s intersesting to me that Joana Morais hasn’t translated a single newspaper article about the case onto her blog since the last two I have reproduced above.  Did she just suddenly lose interest after 12 years or what, does anyone know?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2020, 07:07:11 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 19, 2020, 06:57:43 PM
It was posted some time back.

Ive seen that one...it isnt robust...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 19, 2020, 07:45:12 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 19, 2020, 06:11:40 PM
The German prosecutor seems to think that the Portuguese police are indeed still looking at the parents....and he should know.
Prosecutor Wolters did say that. You have clearly misinterpreted the subtext i.e veiled criticism.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2020, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 19, 2020, 07:45:12 PM
Prosecutor Wolters did say that. You have clearly misinterpreted the subtext i.e veiled criticism.

We dont know he did say it..
IF he did..
We dont know the context
We dont know if he was beiing ironic
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 19, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 19, 2020, 07:48:26 PM
We dont know he did say it..
IF he did..
We dont know the context
We dont know if he was beiing ironic
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5689830/madeleine-mccann-portugal-police-parents-attack/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2020, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 19, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5689830/madeleine-mccann-portugal-police-parents-attack/

Im a more than a little sceptical re what the Sun says...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 19, 2020, 09:29:58 PM
Bit of a blunder? caveat brit press and a sauce.

Blunder let Madeleine McCann suspect walk free before vile images retrial
EXCLUSIVE: Christian Brueckner should have been held by German authorities four years ago but a legal source said 'this just sums up the catalogue of errors surrounding Christian B'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/blunder-madeleine-mccann-suspect-walk-22548775
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2020, 11:12:21 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 19, 2020, 07:45:12 PM
Prosecutor Wolters did say that. You have clearly misinterpreted the subtext i.e veiled criticism.

And you have clearly no idea whether there was any subtext.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 22, 2020, 08:46:54 AM
Maybe they've got it all wrong,the other blond guy did it and this suspect is the accomplish. (&^&

Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner 'had an accomplice during child sex crime' in Portugal in 2017, witness says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8652867/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-accomplice-witness-says.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 22, 2020, 09:46:30 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 22, 2020, 08:46:54 AM
Maybe they've got it all wrong,the other blond guy did it and this suspect is the accomplish. (&^&

Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner 'had an accomplice during child sex crime' in Portugal in 2017, witness says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8652867/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-accomplice-witness-says.html

Were these men traced by the police back in 2007 ?

We don't know why they were knocking on Brueckner's door back then do we? 


I am more than a little bemused as to why sceptics feel the need to emphasise their contempt for witnesses but throw their solidarity behind a truly horrible creature without a qualm.
Don't bother trying to explain the inexplicable.  I'm not asking.  I am just bemused.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 22, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 22, 2020, 09:46:30 AM
Were these men traced by the police back in 2007 ?

We don't know why they were knocking on Brueckner's door back then do we? 


I am more than a little bemused as to why sceptics feel the need to emphasise their contempt for witnesses but throw their solidarity behind a truly horrible creature without a qualm.
Don't bother trying to explain the inexplicable.  I'm not asking.  I am just bemused.

I think the police need to be told about 'suspicious' men before they can trace them. Where in the police files are these men mentioned?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 22, 2020, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 22, 2020, 09:46:30 AM
Were these men traced by the police back in 2007 ?

We don't know why they were knocking on Brueckner's door back then do we? 


I am more than a little bemused as to why sceptics feel the need to emphasise their contempt for witnesses but throw their solidarity behind a truly horrible creature without a qualm.
Don't bother trying to explain the inexplicable.  I'm not asking.  I am just bemused.

One had blue eye's the other had green, even OG never issued a plea for info, now smithman is another person altogether of interest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 22, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 22, 2020, 09:46:30 AM
Were these men traced by the police back in 2007 ?

We don't know why they were knocking on Brueckner's door back then do we? 


I am more than a little bemused as to why sceptics feel the need to emphasise their contempt for witnesses but throw their solidarity behind a truly horrible creature without a qualm.
Don't bother trying to explain the inexplicable.  I'm not asking.  I am just bemused.

And I’m bemused that you appear to have found Brueckner guilty without due process....the very thing you say you despise in others.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on August 22, 2020, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 22, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
And I’m bemused that you appear to have found Brueckner guilty without due process....the very thing you say you despise in others.


mcann supporters say we do that with the mcanns a bit hypocritical isnt it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 22, 2020, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 22, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
And I’m bemused that you appear to have found Brueckner guilty without due process....the very thing you say you despise in others.

you need to read the post again..nowhere does Brietta claim guilt in relation to this investigation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 22, 2020, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on August 22, 2020, 10:57:24 AM

mcann supporters say we do that with the mcanns a bit hypocritical isnt it

Of course it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 22, 2020, 11:08:28 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 22, 2020, 11:05:36 AM
Of course it is.

Could you provide a cite where Brietta assumes his guilt..it appears you are making things up or imagining it ..neither is very bright
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 22, 2020, 11:19:29 AM
LOL to the pair of you...only yesterday Eleanor was singing your praises...she can perhaps see the reality now... hilarious

Two posts referring to my family...what a pair you are..LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 22, 2020, 11:37:05 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on August 22, 2020, 10:57:24 AM

mcann supporters say we do that with the mcanns a bit hypocritical isnt it

Not a bit of hypocrisy in my posts ... I leave that to those who twist the written word at will and to those who believe that "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." without recognising the irony every time their 'post' button is hit.

Now, it would be good for members to cut out the false ad hom attacks and return to the topic of the thread which should be all about Brueckner the local resident, career criminal, burglar, child molester and rapist ... who is the German prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann and who seems for some reason best known to themselves almost an antihero for some.

If the Portuguese police had lifted their noses out of McCann et al 'pings' in 2007 and widened their vision to include the rest of the phone traffic in Luz that night perhaps Madeleine's family would not have become 'the legend' perpetuated in print as the Antichrist.

In my neck of the woods there is a saying "Look in before you look out!"  I thoroughly recommend it to you all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 22, 2020, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 22, 2020, 11:47:43 AM
I notice you didn’t answer the question.

its  asilly question which I tend not to answer.....but i'll make an exception...you asked... do I have awife I could spend some time with...the answers yes..

carly asked about my seven children too...four are grown up...two are in Austria with family ...and will now have to isolate before school.

the 17 yr old doesnt really want to spend time with me...he wants to be  a professiinal E sports player...hes doing quite well ...Covid willing im taking him to Finland in October to play in an international event and we can spend some time together...we went to Montreal Canada last year for the world championships..he wasnt playing in those just spectating...I know quite a lot now about jager and ash


anything else you feel you need to know don't be afraid to ask
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 22, 2020, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: carlymichelle on August 22, 2020, 10:57:24 AM

mcann supporters say we do that with the mcanns a bit hypocritical isnt it
Why is it that when you take the time to comment on this platform, it is always about the so-called ‘supporters’ and ‘skeptics’. And nothing else?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 22, 2020, 11:17:07 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 22, 2020, 09:43:55 PM
Why is it that when you take the time to comment on this platform, it is always about the so-called ‘supporters’ and ‘skeptics’. And nothing else?
Carly is a sceptic cheerleader, her posts are just badly fitting ra-ra skirts and pom-poms.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 23, 2020, 08:57:25 AM
More nothingness from the lead investigators and still nothing to link their suspect to Madeleine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654423/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-secret-stash-391-child-porn-photos-68-videos.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 23, 2020, 09:32:34 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 23, 2020, 08:57:25 AM
More nothingness from the lead investigators and still nothing to link their suspect to Madeleine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654423/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-secret-stash-391-child-porn-photos-68-videos.html

Give them a little lea-way, it's only been 3 months - Grange have been at it for years with no result.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 09:39:19 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 23, 2020, 08:57:25 AM
More nothingness from the lead investigators and still nothing to link their suspect to Madeleine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654423/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-secret-stash-391-child-porn-photos-68-videos.html
Hundreds of child abuse videos = nothingness.  Nothing to see here folks, nothing. At. All.  Meanwhile remember thst dodgy nipple twiddling?  Hmm.... VERY significant, in fact the complete opposite of nothingness.  It’s gotta be
SOMETHINGNESS!!!  Let’s  just ignore Bruckner (the burglar paedo rapist who was in the area when Madeleine disappeared) and return to focusing on the REAL villains who were there having dinner that night (albeit hundreds of metres away) , eh?  Come on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2020, 09:44:41 AM
HCW talked of 2 or 3 months of further investigation...that was a month ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on August 23, 2020, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 23, 2020, 08:57:25 AM
More nothingness from the lead investigators and still nothing to link their suspect to Madeleine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654423/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-secret-stash-391-child-porn-photos-68-videos.html

And that is how it will end, yet another blind alley.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2020, 09:50:32 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on August 23, 2020, 09:48:25 AM
And that is how it will end, yet another blind alley.

You dont know that....I dont see the Germans as being as sloppy as the PJ ...it all depends on the strong evidence HCW has taht maddie is dead and CB killed her...thats a pretty bold satement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2020, 10:02:08 AM
I have just listened to HCW again. He says clearly that ...we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann...

I think that is highly significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 23, 2020, 10:08:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 23, 2020, 10:02:08 AM
I have just listened to HCW again. He says clearly that ...we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann...

I think that is highly significant

None of us want it to be so, but it is as it is ... I am certain the Germans are sure they have got their man.  They have said so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 23, 2020, 10:10:51 AM
All they have to do is prove it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 10:17:31 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 23, 2020, 10:10:51 AM
All they have to do is prove it.
Easier said than done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 23, 2020, 10:25:13 AM
Too right.
Until they charge him, I'm not taking any of what's reported about him too seriously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 23, 2020, 10:25:13 AM
Too right.
Until they charge him, I'm not taking any of what's reported about him too seriously.
Does that mean you doubt he had 391 child porn photos and 68 child abuse videos on his computer?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 23, 2020, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 10:35:20 AM
Does that mean you doubt he had 391 child porn photos and 68 child abuse videos on his computer?

Depends on the source.
If it's a direct attributable  quote from police or Justice dept, then OK.  If it's 2nd/3rd hand from a newspaper, maybe not.
Either way, he doesn't seem to have been charged over it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 23, 2020, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 10:35:20 AM
Does that mean you doubt he had 391 child porn photos and 68 child abuse videos on his computer?

Tis a weird story,he was acquitted then extradited back to Germany retried and then jailed?

He fled to Portugal after being acquitted in 2016, but admitted his guilt when he was extradited back to Germany a year later. He was given a 15-month jail sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 10:50:06 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 23, 2020, 10:44:18 AM
Depends on the source.
If it's a direct attributable  quote from police or Justice dept, then OK.  If it's 2nd/3rd hand from a newspaper, maybe not.
Either way, he doesn't seem to have been charged over it.
I don't know what you mean.   Do you think the Mail has just barefaced invented a court document and its details?

"A ten-page judgment from Braunschweig District Court reveals that the photographs showed children under the age of 14 being abused by adults, while others involved children being forced to perform sex acts.

Police said the videos had been downloaded from the internet and stored on the camera’s memory card.

The judgment adds that there were several naked pictures of another ex-girlfriend of Brueckner’s – not the mother of the five-year-old – and photographs of her having sex with him".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 23, 2020, 10:55:19 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 10:50:06 AM
I don't know what you mean.   Do you think the Mail has just barefaced invented a court document and its details?

"A ten-page judgment from Braunschweig District Court reveals that the photographs showed children under the age of 14 being abused by adults, while others involved children being forced to perform sex acts.

Police said the videos had been downloaded from the internet and stored on the camera’s memory card.

The judgment adds that there were several naked pictures of another ex-girlfriend of Brueckner’s – not the mother of the five-year-old – and photographs of her having sex with him".

Not sure why two consenting adults photographed having sex has to do with child abuse but hey oh the Mail's on it, still nothing to link him to Madeleine's disappearance though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 23, 2020, 10:57:23 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 10:50:06 AM
I don't know what you mean.   Do you think the Mail has just barefaced invented a court document and its details?

"A ten-page judgment from Braunschweig District Court reveals that the photographs showed children under the age of 14 being abused by adults, while others involved children being forced to perform sex acts.

Police said the videos had been downloaded from the internet and stored on the camera’s memory card.

The judgment adds that there were several naked pictures of another ex-girlfriend of Brueckner’s – not the mother of the five-year-old – and photographs of her having sex with him".

Was this printed in full, verbatim or just selected highlights intermingled with opinion, as is the Mail's usual  way ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2020, 11:00:49 AM
HCW has said live on TV...in English
...this isn't a newspaper report..

He says clearly..

We have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann

How can that not be highly significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 23, 2020, 11:09:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 23, 2020, 11:00:49 AM
HCW has said live on TV...in English
...this isn't a newspaper report..

He says clearly..

We have enough evidence to say our suspect killed Madeleine McCann

How can that not be highly significant

Yet on the official find Madeleine page it clearly says.

Operation Grange Statement: June 19, 2020
The Met received one letter from the BKA on 12 June, which was passed to the family. The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 11:16:34 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 23, 2020, 10:57:23 AM
Was this printed in full, verbatim or just selected highlights intermingled with opinion, as is the Mail's usual  way ?
You didn't answer my question.  Do you know of any newspaper anywhere that reproduces 10 page court documents in full?  what an absurd expectation on your part, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 11:19:39 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 23, 2020, 10:55:19 AM
Not sure why two consenting adults photographed having sex has to do with child abuse but hey oh the Mail's on it, still nothing to link him to Madeleine's disappearance though.
What about the 391 photographs of child sex abuse and 68 videos of child abuse which you have classed as "nothingness" too - my guess is if they'd been found on a computer belonging to one of the Tapas group you wouldn't be describing them as "nothingness". 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 23, 2020, 11:28:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 11:19:39 AM
What about the 391 photographs of child sex abuse and 68 videos of child abuse which you have classed as "nothingness" too - my guess is if they'd been found on a computer belonging to one of the Tapas group you wouldn't be describing them as "nothingness".

You obviously pay no attention to my post's I make no mention of them, couldn't care less about them, I only mention the McCanns in passing if its relevant, my interest is in what £12 million doesn't get you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 23, 2020, 11:28:49 AM
You obviously pay no attention to my post's I make no mention of them, couldn't care less about them, I only mention the McCanns in passing if its relevant, my interest is in what £12 million doesn't get you.
Of course you couldn't care less about child abuse images, all you care about is the money.  Nice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 23, 2020, 11:42:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 11:33:07 AM
Of course you couldn't care less about child abuse images, all you care about is the money.  Nice.

Thank you for the compliment means so much.Now reread my post, I said I couldn't care less about the tapas crew or the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 11:56:10 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 23, 2020, 11:42:49 AM
Thank you for the compliment means so much.Now reread my post, I said I couldn't care less about the tapas crew or the McCanns.
I asked you about the child abuse images and videos which you seem to consider nothingness.  It seems all you care about is the money spent on the investigation.  Is that the sole extent of your interest in this case?  Not about the pursuit of justice? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 23, 2020, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 11:19:39 AM
What about the 391 photographs of child sex abuse and 68 videos of child abuse which you have classed as "nothingness" too - my guess is if they'd been found on a computer belonging to one of the Tapas group you wouldn't be describing them as "nothingness".

Do you know if the tapas groups computers were ever checked out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 12:30:54 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 23, 2020, 12:26:01 PM
Do you know if the tapas groups computers were ever checked out.
No I don't.  I do know that the chief suspect in this case has had his checked and hundreds of images of child abuse has been found.  Obviously this is entirely irrelevant to the case, just as it would have been had anyone in the Tapas group's been found to contain similar, right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 23, 2020, 01:48:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 10:35:20 AM
Does that mean you doubt he had 391 child porn photos and 68 child abuse videos on his computer?

I doubt it because I've only seen memory sticks quoted, not a computer. I also saw 8,000 files mentioned; where did your figures come from?
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/06/17/madeleine-suspect-kept-childrens-swimwear-in-mobile-home/

In the UK having 40,000 images doesn't earn a custodial sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 23, 2020, 01:48:56 PM
I doubt it because I've only seen memory sticks quoted, not a computer. I also saw 8,000 files mentioned; where did your figures come from?
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/06/17/madeleine-suspect-kept-childrens-swimwear-in-mobile-home/

In the UK having 40,000 images doesn't earn a custodial sentence.

Do you think the Mail has just barefaced invented a court document and its details?

"A ten-page judgment from Braunschweig District Court reveals that the photographs showed children under the age of 14 being abused by adults, while others involved children being forced to perform sex acts.

Police said the videos had been downloaded from the internet and stored on the camera’s memory card.

The judgment adds that there were several naked pictures of another ex-girlfriend of Brueckner’s – not the mother of the five-year-old – and photographs of her having sex with him".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2020, 07:23:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 07:21:06 PM
Do you think the Mail has just barefaced invented a court document and its details?

"A ten-page judgment from Braunschweig District Court reveals that the photographs showed children under the age of 14 being abused by adults, while others involved children being forced to perform sex acts.

Police said the videos had been downloaded from the internet and stored on the camera’s memory card.

The judgment adds that there were several naked pictures of another ex-girlfriend of Brueckner’s – not the mother of the five-year-old – and photographs of her having sex with him".

This is obviously seperate to the memory sticks found buried
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 23, 2020, 01:48:56 PM
I doubt it because I've only seen memory sticks quoted, not a computer. I also saw 8,000 files mentioned; where did your figures come from?
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/06/17/madeleine-suspect-kept-childrens-swimwear-in-mobile-home/

In the UK having 40,000 images doesn't earn a custodial sentence.
tell it to this man
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7885889/Man-reveals-ended-prison-opening-unsolicited-file-containing-child-abuse-images.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 23, 2020, 07:36:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 23, 2020, 10:10:51 AM
All they have to do is prove it.

And they can't prove nothing when he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 23, 2020, 08:05:50 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on August 23, 2020, 07:36:16 PM
And they can't prove nothing when he didn't do it.
How do you know he didn’t do it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 24, 2020, 01:01:46 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on August 23, 2020, 07:36:16 PM
And they can't prove nothing when he didn't do it.

Double Negative.  For God's sake.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 24, 2020, 01:23:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 12:30:54 PM
No I don't.  I do know that the chief suspect in this case has had his checked and hundreds of images of child abuse has been found.  Obviously this is entirely irrelevant to the case, just as it would have been had anyone in the Tapas group's been found to contain similar, right?

Well, we don't know then ...could seem none of the tapas were ever checked out by SY.

Yet they were the closesed to Maddie at the time ...and knew the arrangements of leaving the children. IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2020, 01:24:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 24, 2020, 01:23:15 PM
Well, we don't know then ...could seem none of the tapas were ever checked out by SY.

Yet they were the closesed to Maddie at the time ...and knew the arrangements of leaving the children. IMO
Weren't they ever checked out by the PJ then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 24, 2020, 05:07:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 24, 2020, 01:24:28 PM
Weren't they ever checked out by the PJ then?

Well seems UK police stopped cooperating with PJ...UK would not give them the information they asked for
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2020, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 24, 2020, 05:07:37 PM
Well seems UK police stopped cooperating with PJ...UK would not give them the information they asked for
What information did the PJ ask for?  Laptops?  Computers?  What?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 24, 2020, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 24, 2020, 05:07:37 PM
Well seems UK police stopped cooperating with PJ...UK would not give them the information they asked for

Since when?   You know nothing stop pretending you do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 24, 2020, 05:30:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 23, 2020, 12:30:54 PM
No I don't.  I do know that the chief suspect in this case has had his checked and hundreds of images of child abuse has been found.  Obviously this is entirely irrelevant to the case, just as it would have been had anyone in the Tapas group's been found to contain similar, right?

No computer was checked, the images were on a camera.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2020, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 24, 2020, 05:30:03 PM
No computer was checked, the images were on a camera.
Kizzy asked about the Tapas group’s computers.  She seems to think the police should have checked them, and is blaming the British police for not doing so.  She is as usual deflecting away from Brückner’s crimes and trying to insinuate wrong-doing elsewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 24, 2020, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 24, 2020, 05:37:16 PM
Kizzy asked about the Tapas group’s computers.  She seems to think the police should have checked them, and is blaming the British police for not doing so.  She is as usual deflecting away from Brückner’s crimes and trying to insinuate wrong-doing elsewhere.

Brueckner's crimes having nothing to do with Maddie.

Unless of course you have proof they do.

He's innocent until proven guilty & even then he might still be innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2020, 07:23:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 24, 2020, 06:54:08 PM
Brueckner's crimes having nothing to do with Maddie.

Unless of course you have proof they do.

He's innocent until proven guilty & even then he might still be innocent.
Don’t give me that “innocent until proven guilty” schtick, we know you only apply it selectively.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 24, 2020, 07:29:40 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 24, 2020, 07:23:41 PM
Don’t give me that “innocent until proven guilty” schtick, we know you only apply it selectively.

I reserve that right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2020, 08:10:53 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 24, 2020, 07:29:40 PM
I reserve that right.
And I reserve the right to find your posts a complete joke.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 24, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 24, 2020, 05:37:16 PM
Kizzy asked about the Tapas group’s computers.  She seems to think the police should have checked them, and is blaming the British police for not doing so.  She is as usual deflecting away from Brückner’s crimes and trying to insinuate wrong-doing elsewhere.

I was referring to your claim that Brueckner had a computer which was checked. It was a camera where the images were found, not a computer.

In my opinion a lot of deflection has happened in this case. It started on 4th May 2007 when the McCanns began their campaign to convince people of their victimhood.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 24, 2020, 08:40:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 24, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
I was referring to your claim that Brueckner had a computer which was checked. It was a camera where the images were found, not a computer.

In my opinion a lot of deflection has happened in this case. It started on 4th May 2007 when the McCanns began their campaign to convince people of their victimhood.

From what I can see they are victims... I don't think they've tried to convince anyone. It will be interesting to see what this evidence is the Germans have
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 24, 2020, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 24, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
I was referring to your claim that Brueckner had a computer which was checked. It was a camera where the images were found, not a computer.

In my opinion a lot of deflection has happened in this case. It started on 4th May 2007 when the McCanns began their campaign to convince people of their victimhood.
Is it relevant whether a camera instead of a computer was used to display these images?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2020, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 24, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
I was referring to your claim that Brueckner had a computer which was checked. It was a camera where the images were found, not a computer.

In my opinion a lot of deflection has happened in this case. It started on 4th May 2007 when the McCanns began their campaign to convince people of their victimhood.
Of course, it couldn’t possibly be a campaign to highlight the fact that their daughter had been taken so that she may be found and reunited with her family.  oh no, of course not.

IMO your post above is just plain nasty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 24, 2020, 10:13:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 24, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
I was referring to your claim that Brueckner had a computer which was checked. It was a camera where the images were found, not a computer.

In my opinion a lot of deflection has happened in this case. It started on 4th May 2007 when the McCanns began their campaign to convince people of their victimhood.
The McCanns were in a position to activate their network of organisations and people that could assist in finding Madeleine. How is this ‘trying to convince people of their victimhood’?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2020, 10:34:52 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 24, 2020, 10:13:07 PM
The McCanns were in a position to activate their network of organisations and people that could assist in finding Madeleine. How is this ‘trying to convince people of their victimhood’?
G-Unit has also recently accused the McCanns of deliberately hampering the police investigation into their daughter’s disappearance but has refused to say exactly how.  Don’t hold your breath for any sort of meaningful response.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 24, 2020, 10:37:02 PM

Oh those poor McCanns.  They're the victims here.

As well as Maddie & Brenda Leyland, who might both still be alive were the McCanns better parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2020, 10:56:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 24, 2020, 10:37:02 PM
Oh those poor McCanns.  They're the victims here.

As well as Maddie & Brenda Leyland, who might both still be alive were the McCanns better parents.
Yes, poor Brenda, the McCanns forced her to be vile about them on the internet which ultimately  led to her dying of shame.  I’m sure she’d really appreciate people like you reminding us all of her most ignominious end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 24, 2020, 10:37:02 PM
Oh those poor McCanns.  They're the victims here.

As well as Maddie & Brenda Leyland, who might both still be alive were the McCanns better parents.

What a vile post.   You didn't know the real BL  no one did,  who knew she had mental problems and had attempted suicide once before.  No one made her join the nasty brigade on twitter who egged her on,  she made her own choices.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 12:15:53 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 25, 2020, 10:47:40 AM
What a vile post.   You didn't know the real BL  no one did,  who knew she had mental problems and had attempted suicide once before.  No one made her join the nasty brigade on twitter who egged her on,  she made her own choices.

The McCanns made their own choices too. They, apparently, chose to leave three under 5's alone in an unlocked apartment every evening while they ate and drank and enjoyed the company of their friends. They then had the cheek to insist that they were responsible parents despite knowing, as most people do, that what they did was irresponsible and against all the guidelines.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on August 25, 2020, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 12:15:53 PM
The McCanns made their own choices too. They, apparently, chose to leave three under 5's alone in an unlocked apartment every evening while they ate and drank and enjoyed the company of their friends. They then had the cheek to insist that they were responsible parents despite knowing, as most people do, that what they did was irresponsible and against all the guidelines.

most unbiased people   agree with you   g unit  xx
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2020, 12:29:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 12:15:53 PM
The McCanns made their own choices too. They, apparently, chose to leave three under 5's alone in an unlocked apartment every evening while they ate and drank and enjoyed the company of their friends. They then had the cheek to insist that they were responsible parents despite knowing, as most people do, that what they did was irresponsible and against all the guidelines.

Brenda made her own choice too... that's the point sceptics want to deny..she made the choice to get involved with the online trolling of the McCanns
I have sympathy for Brenda..but far more for the Maddie and her family
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 25, 2020, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 25, 2020, 10:47:40 AM
What a vile post.   You didn't know the real BL  no one did,  who knew she had mental problems and had attempted suicide once before.  No one made her join the nasty brigade on twitter who egged her on,  she made her own choices.

Sadly other mothers of disappeared and murdered children have received abuse from some!
The mother of April Jones and Sarah Payne's mother to name two.
Difficult to imagine what drive this type of behaviour.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 12:15:53 PM
The McCanns made their own choices too. They, apparently, chose to leave three under 5's alone in an unlocked apartment every evening while they ate and drank and enjoyed the company of their friends. They then had the cheek to insist that they were responsible parents despite knowing, as most people do, that what they did was irresponsible and against all the guidelines.

So what has that got to do with people going onto twitter just to vent their bile against the parents of a missing child?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
Quote from: carlymichelle on August 25, 2020, 12:19:17 PM
most unbiased people   agree with you   g unit  xx

I wouldn't have left my children either,  but I didn't go onto twitter leaving nasty disgusting messages no one made those people do that.    You seem to think BL is dead because of what the McCann's did,  that is absolutely ridiculous,  are you going to say the McCann's are making you post on this forum?   Stop blaming the McCann's for everything.   They have enough to cope with losing their daughter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 01:12:40 PM
Quote from: Erngath on August 25, 2020, 12:33:06 PM
Sadly other mothers of disappeared and murdered children have received abuse from some!
The mother of April Jones and Sarah Payne's mother to name two.
Difficult to imagine what drive this type of behaviour.

Its despicable behaviour Erngath,  no one makes them do it.  It's terrible that parents have to put up with continuous spite all these years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 25, 2020, 01:17:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 24, 2020, 10:56:20 PM
Yes, poor Brenda, the McCanns forced her to be vile about them on the internet which ultimately  led to her dying of shame.  I’m sure she’d really appreciate people like you reminding us all of her most ignominious end.

Spin it whatever way you like, the outcome is the same.

If the McCanns had used the night creche that would be two lives saved.

Whatever happened about that McCann troll dossier?

Was anyone ever charged?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 25, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 25, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
I wouldn't have left my children either,  but I didn't go onto twitter leaving nasty disgusting messages no one made those people do that.    You seem to think BL is dead because of what the McCann's did,  that is absolutely ridiculous,  are you going to say the McCann's are making you post on this forum?   Stop blaming the McCann's for everything.   They have enough to cope with losing their daughter.

Do you think the mccs like to see you dragging things up continually ...do you think they will appreciate or thank you for it.

I don't think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 25, 2020, 01:17:37 PM
Spin it whatever way you like, the outcome is the same.

If the McCanns had used the night creche that would be two lives saved.

Whatever happened about that McCann troll dossier?

Was anyone ever charged?

One decided to die,  we don't know the outcome of the other.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 25, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
Do you think the mccs like to see you dragging things up continually ...do you think they will appreciate or thank you for it.

I don't think so.

Dragging what up?  I was replying to a post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 25, 2020, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 25, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
One decided to die,  we don't know the outcome of the other.

Well if you mean Maddie ....her fate was decided for her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 25, 2020, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 25, 2020, 01:38:18 PM
Dragging what up?  I was replying to a post.

It seems you think you are one of the good guys and the mccs appreciate what you do.

They won't we are all posters keeping these threads going year in year in year out.

I know they wont like me ...what you dont know is they wont like you either, or anyone else on here.

I believe the mccs are involved its why I'm on here ...

You think they have been Proved innocent so what is your excuse for always being on here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 25, 2020, 01:17:37 PM
Spin it whatever way you like, the outcome is the same.

If the McCanns had used the night creche that would be two lives saved.

Whatever happened about that McCann troll dossier?

Was anyone ever charged?

In my opinion most of what the McCanns said and did was about trying to show themselves as pitiful victims and silencing anyone who pointed out that their daughter was the victim and their behaviour had enabled her suffering. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 02:02:46 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 25, 2020, 01:08:25 PM
So what has that got to do with people going onto twitter just to vent their bile against the parents of a missing child?

What does 'vent their bile' mean? Does it mean pointing out that they were the neglectful parents of a missing child?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 25, 2020, 02:04:01 PM
The topic of the thread is  New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

Please stay ON TOPIC       Thank you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2020, 03:32:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 01:59:19 PM
In my opinion most of what the McCanns said and did was about trying to show themselves as pitiful victims and silencing anyone who pointed out that their daughter was the victim and their behaviour had enabled her suffering.

what absolute rubbish...do you really believe what you have posted..you really don't do  your credibility any good by posting this sort of stuff
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2020, 03:33:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 25, 2020, 02:04:01 PM
The topic of the thread is  New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

Please stay ON TOPIC       Thank you

its interesting to hear what Simom Foy says about teh Germans. he says they are very efficient and would not say they had evidence if they hadnt

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 25, 2020, 03:50:50 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 25, 2020, 01:17:37 PM
Spin it whatever way you like, the outcome is the same.

If the McCanns had used the night creche that would be two lives saved.

Whatever happened about that McCann troll dossier?

Was anyone ever charged?
If Gerry McCann's dad hadn't gone to the youth club and chatted up Gerry's mum Brenda Leyland would still be alive.  If a giant meteorite had fallen on PdL on the 1st May 2007 Brenda Leyland would still be alive, it's a nonsense argument, suited only to trolls.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 25, 2020, 03:51:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 01:59:19 PM
In my opinion most of what the McCanns said and did was about trying to show themselves as pitiful victims and silencing anyone who pointed out that their daughter was the victim and their behaviour had enabled her suffering.
When did they last silence you? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on August 25, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 25, 2020, 03:33:46 PM
its interesting to hear what Simom Foy says about teh Germans. he says they are very efficient and would not say they had evidence if they hadnt

Foy is another Met jobsworth. To his credit Colin Sutton told the truth about what was going on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2020, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on August 25, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
Foy is another Met jobsworth. To his credit Colin Sutton told the truth about what was going on.

Colin Sutton doesn't think the parents were involved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on August 25, 2020, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 01:59:19 PM
In my opinion most of what the McCanns said and did was about trying to show themselves as pitiful victims and silencing anyone who pointed out that their daughter was the victim and their behaviour had enabled her suffering.

They never once organised or took part in any search in Portugal despite heading a fund whose principal aim was to find Madeleine. People invent excuses all the time for them but none of it washes. Poor Maddie was abandoned very early on in favour of protecting the parents tarnished reputations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2020, 05:26:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on August 25, 2020, 05:03:14 PM
They never once organised or took part in any search in Portugal despite heading a fund whose principal aim was to find Madeleine. People invent excuses all the time for them but none of it washes. Poor Maddie was abandoned very early on in favour of protecting the parents tarnished reputations.

they made an appeal in Germany and thats how Breukner came to light.....the Pj missed him....If it wasnt for the Mccanns appeal no one would have heard of him...yet now the germans say they have strong evidence gainst him...we will know within the next month or so
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 25, 2020, 01:47:08 PM
It seems you think you are one of the good guys and the mccs appreciate what you do.

They won't we are all posters keeping these threads going year in year in year out.

I know they wont like me ...what you dont know is they wont like you either, or anyone else on here.

I believe the mccs are involved its why I'm on here ...

You think they have been Proved innocent so what is your excuse for always being on here.

I am here to debate the McCann case that is not an excuse as I don't have to give you an excuse to be here it's none of your business.,  you think they are guilty so why are you here?   I am really not bothered what the McCann's think of me,  I have a life apart from this forum and this forum is merely a pastime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 01:59:19 PM
In my opinion most of what the McCanns said and did was about trying to show themselves as pitiful victims and silencing anyone who pointed out that their daughter was the victim and their behaviour had enabled her suffering.

I don't think so,   the McCann's behaved as anyone would after losing a child,  devastation, despair and helplessness.  When did they silence anyone who pointed out Madeleine was the victim?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on August 25, 2020, 05:03:14 PM
They never once organised or took part in any search in Portugal despite heading a fund whose principal aim was to find Madeleine. People invent excuses all the time for them but none of it washes. Poor Maddie was abandoned very early on in favour of protecting the parents tarnished reputations.

The McCann's searched the apartment and surrounding area for Madeleine,  the Police then took over.   When have you ever seen the parents of a missing child organise a search?   The Police organise the searches.  What excuses do people give for the McCann's?

Oh yes,  the McCann's abandoned Madeleine didn't they,  that's why they took on Private Investigators,  then badgered the Government for a review,  yes abandoned her haven't they NOT.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2020, 05:32:37 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 25, 2020, 05:29:39 PM
I don't think so,   the McCann's behaved as anyone would after losing a child,  devastation, despair and helplessness.  When did they silence anyone who pointed out Madeleine was the victim?


They didnt...its lies
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 25, 2020, 05:01:20 PM
Colin Sutton doesn't think the parents were involved

Colin Sutton's thoughts were that she had been abducted by child traffickers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2020, 05:39:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 02:02:46 PM
What does 'vent their bile' mean? Does it mean pointing out that they were the neglectful parents of a missing child?

Years after Social Services had visited them.   The McCann's have acknowledged what they did was a huge mistake,  why go onto twitter and remind them about it day in day out?   Don't you think not having Madeleine would be punishment enough?   

It wasn't just leaving Madeleine anyway,  they believed the McCann's were guilty and that they had to pay,  kidnap the twins,  beat the truth out of the McCann's every nasty thing they could think of.  People like this need help if you ask me. 

Not just the McCann's though it's happened to Sara Payne too she had to leave twitter.   These people are quite sick in the head.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 25, 2020, 06:40:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 25, 2020, 02:02:46 PM
What does 'vent their bile' mean? Does it mean pointing out that they were the neglectful parents of a missing child?
If you don’t know what “vent their bile” means I suggest you take a look at the #McCann tag on twitter and also the other forum you frequent, not just pointing out neglect but also asserting most strenuously, frequently and often that the parents covered up the death of their own daughter, and slagging off to the hilt anyone who dares suggest Madeleine may have been abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 25, 2020, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 25, 2020, 06:40:57 PM
If you don’t know what “vent their bile” means I suggest you take a look at the #McCann tag on twitter and also the other forum you frequent, not just pointing out neglect but also asserting most strenuously, frequently and often that the parents covered up the death of their own daughter, and slagging off to the hilt anyone who dares suggest Madeleine may have been abducted.


Can I add to that.......the Facebook page.
Madeleine.
Abduction or scam?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 25, 2020, 08:44:41 PM
Quote from: Erngath on August 25, 2020, 06:45:11 PM

Can I add to that.......the Facebook page.
Madeleine.
Abduction or scam?
Yes.  You don’t need to be a member to see the bile on display on that page like this post from 3 days ago:

“Im intrigued the poisonous ones couldn't seem to care less whether German police actually possess any evidence CB killed their child.

If they've received no letter you would think they'd be asking for one really.
If they need clarification I'm sure they only need ask.

Instead all they seem interested in is second hand denials via their cronies in the Met.

They've found the bogey man but suddenly the wonder parents want him put back in the dream.

I'd feign astonishment but it's entirely in character for a pair of psychotic freaks”

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2020, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 25, 2020, 08:25:06 PM
Just looked and it appears that the group you cite above has to be joined. How do you know what members post ?

do I remember correctly ...whose members had to swear an oath of allegiance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 25, 2020, 09:00:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 25, 2020, 08:55:19 PM
do I remember correctly you were admin on one of these groups...whose members ahd to swear an oath of allegiance
Haha, I remember that!  Expect a fulsome denial though...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 25, 2020, 09:32:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 25, 2020, 08:44:41 PM
Yes.  You don’t need to be a member to see the bile on display on that page like this post from 3 days ago:

“Im intrigued the poisonous ones couldn't seem to care less whether German police actually possess any evidence CB killed their child.

If they've received no letter you would think they'd be asking for one really.
If they need clarification I'm sure they only need ask.

Instead all they seem interested in is second hand denials via their cronies in the Met.

They've found the bogey man but suddenly the wonder parents want him put back in the dream.

I'd feign astonishment but it's entirely in character for a pair of psychotic freaks”

A very summative examples of the "bile" which continues to be expressed .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 25, 2020, 10:49:23 PM
Right - enough of finding out personal details of other members.   Now back to the topic please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 25, 2020, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on August 25, 2020, 10:49:23 PM
Right - enough of finding out personal details of other members.   Now back to the topic please.

Which is the person who is regarded  by the German police as the suspect in the abduction of Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 25, 2020, 11:35:43 PM
Quote from: Erngath on August 25, 2020, 10:56:39 PM
Which is the person who is regarded  by the German police as the suspect in the abduction of Madeleine.

I’m afraid they are lacking just one little detail.....evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 07:44:02 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 25, 2020, 11:35:43 PM
I’m afraid they are lacking just one little detail.....evidence.

Not according to HCW...he says they have enough evidence to show their suspect killed Madeleine McCann

I think that's pretty significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 26, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Isn’t it funny that the same people who for years were convinced Amaral had an ace up his sleeve now see to think the police have already told us all they’ve got.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 08:16:01 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 26, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Isn’t it funny that the same people who for years were convinced Amaral had an ace up his sleeve now see to think the police have already told us all they’ve got.

Yes at least a couple of posters who have been saying the PJ and police in general will have more evidence than they are telling us say the Germans wont even have the evidence they claim.....i think its called bias...closed minded and all the other things sceptics accuse supporters of.

Its clear there is a possibility...particularly with the claim by the germans that they have enough evidence to show their suspect killed maddie...that we MAY find out what actually happened. Those that have been claiming abduction was impossible will find that very difficult to accept
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 26, 2020, 08:27:47 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 08:16:01 AM
Yes at least a couple of posters who have been saying the PJ and police in general will have more evidence than they are telling us say the Germans wont even have the evidence they claim.....i think its called bias...closed minded and all the other things sceptics accuse supporters of.

Its clear there is a possibility...particularly with the claim by the germans that they have enough evidence to show their suspect killed maddie...that we MAY find out what actually happened. Those that have been claiming abduction was impossible will find that very difficult to accept
Quite.  Some here are certain the PJ have been spending the last six years steadily building a case against the McCanns despite there not being a shred of evidence to support this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 26, 2020, 08:27:47 AM
Quite.  Some here are certain the PJ have been spending the last six years steadily building a case against the McCanns despite there not being a shred of evidence to support this.

Yet HCW says tehere is strong evidence against Breukner which would of course prove the Mccanns innocence...no wonder some posters are starting to seriously wobble
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 26, 2020, 09:38:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 08:30:25 AM
Yet HCW says tehere is strong evidence against Breukner which would of course prove the Mccanns innocence...no wonder some posters are starting to seriously wobble

Well yes, when Brueckner is arrested tried convicted & sentenced then that will prove it must have been him.

Unless it wasn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 26, 2020, 09:43:13 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 26, 2020, 09:38:34 AM
Well yes, when Brueckner is arrested tried convicted & sentenced then that will prove it must have been him.

Unless it wasn't.

Some people would be convinced and others wouldn't, just like in the Cipriano case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 26, 2020, 09:43:13 AM
Some people would be convinced and others wouldn't, just like in the Cipriano case.

Surely it would depend on the evidence... surely you realise that. You seem to have reached a decision already. If the evidence was totally overwhelming surely that would convince all except the due hard deniers

In the Cipriano case there was virtually no evidence...I don't see the German courts being so unfair
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 26, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 25, 2020, 08:25:06 PM
Do not add to my post again and alter its meaning.

Please do not order me to either do or not to do your bidding, especially when I have no idea of which post you are referencing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 10:20:48 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 26, 2020, 09:43:13 AM
Some people would be convinced and others wouldn't, just like in the Cipriano case.

Looks like sceptics are preparing for the doomsday scenario of Breukner being charged... already showing an unwillingness to accept what might happen
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 10:23:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 07:44:02 AM
Not according to HCW...he says they have enough evidence to show their suspect killed Madeleine McCann

I think that's pretty significant

If they had enough evidence to show Brueckner killed Madeleine they would have enough evidence to charge him.

Have they charged him ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
Quote from: Erngath on August 26, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
Please do not order me to either do or not to do your bidding, especially when I have no idea of which post you are referencing.

Apologies that post was not directed at you but the mod who changed my post...I should have made that clear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 26, 2020, 10:28:19 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
Apologies that post was not directed at you but the mod who changed my post...I should have made that clear.

Well that explains why I was bamboozled. Lol.
Apology accepted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 10:33:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 10:20:48 AM
Looks like sceptics are preparing for the doomsday scenario of Breukner being charged... already showing an unwillingness to accept what might happen

Whereas with you the unwillingness to see things as they are has started already.

Three months have gone by since the appeal for information by the German prosecutor and half of Hanover dug up yet still no charge....in fact not even an arrest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 26, 2020, 10:48:38 AM
I'm waiting to see what happens. So far, nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 10:33:51 AM
Whereas with you the unwillingness to see things as they are has started already.

Three months have gone by since the appeal for information by the German prosecutor and half of Hanover dug up yet still no charge....in fact not even an arrest.

Some of us understand exactly why

Sceptics still think the McCanns are guilty after 13 years...a couple of months is nothing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 10:52:23 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 26, 2020, 10:48:38 AM
I'm waiting to see what happens. So far, nothing.

I would say a statement of...we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed MM ...is a lot more than nothing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 26, 2020, 11:22:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 10:52:23 AM
I would say a statement of...we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed MM ...is a lot more than nothing

According to Wolters he has no proof that she's dead or that Brueckner was in PdL on 3rd May;

There is still “a little bit of hope” Madeleine McCann may be alive, the German prosecutor investigating her disappearance has admitted – despite previously claiming there was evidence she was dead...

there is no forensic proof to support his claim...

Mr Wolters told the paper: “The person he spoke to could put the phone in his hand [by confirming it was Brueckner to whom he spoke], which would mean he was in the area at the time.

“This is the evidence we want before we issue an arrest warrant and then interview him for the murder. It would help the case against him – but we would also need more evidence.”...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-update-death-alive-germany-christian-bruckner-a9565441.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 11:27:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 26, 2020, 11:22:05 AM
According to Wolters he has no proof that she's dead or that Brueckner was in PdL on 3rd May;

There is still “a little bit of hope” Madeleine McCann may be alive, the German prosecutor investigating her disappearance has admitted – despite previously claiming there was evidence she was dead...

there is no forensic proof to support his claim...

Mr Wolters told the paper: “The person he spoke to could put the phone in his hand [by confirming it was Brueckner to whom he spoke], which would mean he was in the area at the time.

“This is the evidence we want before we issue an arrest warrant and then interview him for the murder. It would help the case against him – but we would also need more evidence.”...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-update-death-alive-germany-christian-bruckner-a9565441.html

I'm relying on what HCW said live on TV.... enough evidence to say that our suspect killed Maddie..

That sounds very significant to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 11:31:18 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 11:27:03 AM
I'm relying on what HCW said live on TV.... enough evidence to say that our suspect killed Maddie..

That sounds very significant to me.

Yet three months later no sign of an arrest. Odd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 11:35:32 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 11:31:18 AM
Yet three months later no sign of an arrest. Odd.

Not at all...its been two years since the Germans had evidence of  Maddie's death. What's odd is posters who think the parents are still suspects after 13 years
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 26, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 10:52:23 AM
I would say a statement of...we have enough evidence to say our suspect killed MM ...is a lot more than nothing


Words are cheap. Action is what counts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 26, 2020, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 26, 2020, 10:48:38 AM
I'm waiting to see what happens. So far, nothing.
A sensible approach but somewhat surprised you aren't you scoffing and jeering at the German investigation like your fellow sceptics though.  You do at least seem open to the idea that the Germans are onto something and even perhaps realise that building a solid case can take months or years. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 26, 2020, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 11:35:32 AM
Not at all...its been two years since the Germans had evidence of  Maddie's death. What's odd is posters who think the parents are still suspects after 13 years
Quite.  13 years later and still no arrest of the parents - how do the sceptics get their heads around that particular conundrum?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 26, 2020, 12:01:20 PM
It's the fanciful tabloid reporting that I scoff at.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 26, 2020, 11:46:12 AM
Quite.  13 years later and still no arrest of the parents - how do the sceptics get their heads around that particular conundrum?

You could be asking that question about CB ..another conundrum
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 25, 2020, 05:27:24 PM
I am here to debate the McCann case that is not an excuse as I don't have to give you an excuse to be here it's none of your business.,  you think they are guilty so why are you here?   I am really not bothered what the McCann's think of me,  I have a life apart from this forum and this forum is merely a pastime.

Ah right, a pastime so you only come on when you have nothing else better to do.

Yes, Its because I think the mcc involved.

Seems all has gone so so quiet now with CB ..its all going to come to nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 26, 2020, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 12:35:13 PM
You could be asking that question about CB ..another conundrum
3 months versus 13 years - I'm not quite at that stage yet...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
Ah right, a pastime so you only come on when you have nothing else better to do.

Yes, Its because I think the mcc involved.

Seems all has gone so so quiet now with CB ..its all going to come to nothing.


enough evidence to say the suspect killed MM isnt going to come to nothing....if that evidence is eventually made public it will have significant meaning even if CB isnt prosected
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on August 26, 2020, 01:23:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 01:03:40 PM

enough evidence to say the suspect killed MM isnt going to come to nothing....if that evidence is eventually made public it will have significant meaning even if CB isnt prosected

The entire thing is a stunt. Christian Brueckner never met Maddie imo, he's a rapist, not a child murderer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on August 26, 2020, 01:23:42 PM
The entire thing is a stunt. Christian Brueckner never met Maddie imo.

I don't see taht as being at all possible...you don't know  what evidence the Germans have and the idea of it being a stunt is just plain ridiculous to me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 26, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 11:27:03 AM
I'm relying on what HCW said live on TV.... enough evidence to say that our suspect killed Maddie..

That sounds very significant to me.

You need to listen to everything he has said, not just the bits you like.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 01:58:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 26, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
You need to listen to everything he has said, not just the bits you like.

I have listened to everything....I'm careful about selected quotes in newspapers take out of context...which you dont seem to be.

I certainly don't need any lessons from you.

Enough evidence to show our suspect killed MM....from his own mouth
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 26, 2020, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on August 26, 2020, 01:23:42 PM
The entire thing is a stunt. Christian Brueckner never met Maddie imo, he's a rapist, not a child murderer.
It's not like the two things are mutually exclusive, particularly as he's not just any old rapist but a rapist with a penchant for child porn who breaks into people's houses, ties them up and sadistically beats them, making them fear for their lives.  Jesus H - you've also described him recently as an "unfortunate paedophile", I mean why don't you start up a fan club for the poor guy while you're at it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 02:02:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 26, 2020, 01:59:26 PM
It's not like the two things are mutually exclusive, particularly as he's not just any old rapist but a rapist with a penchant for child porn who breaks into people's houses, ties them up and sadistically beats them, making them fear for their lives.  Jesus H - you've also described him recently as an "unfortunate paedophile", I mean why don't you start up a fan club for the poor guy while you're at it.

he also films his assaults which I think is important
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 02:05:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 01:58:42 PM
I have listened to everything....I'm careful about selected quotes in newspapers take out of context...which you dont seem to be.

I certainly don't need any lessons from you.

Enough evidence to show our suspect killed MM....from his own mouth

It seems your post is what you call propaganda.

You dont know what they have....could be absolutly nothing.

As for it comming out of his mouth ...did he say it to you , if not its just heresay.

Would think you would no that being such an expert in understanding evidence. lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 01:26:48 PM
I don't see taht as being at all possible...you don't know  what evidence the Germans have and the idea of it being a stunt is just plain ridiculous to me

How long have they known about him...years

How strange all the news broke when they thought CB was going to be released.

What better publicity than to attach him to Maddie.

Now that CB is not going to be released early seems germans job done.

Also seems it was the prosecutors work...not the german police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 02:12:10 PM
How long have they known about him...years

How strange all the news broke when they thought CB was going to be released.

What better publicity than to attach him to Maddie.

Now that CB is not going to be released early seems germans job done.

Also seems it was the prosecutors work...not the german police.

Thats your imagination and then there's reality
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 02:05:57 PM
It seems your post is what you call propaganda.

You dont know what they have....could be absolutly nothing.

As for it comming out of his mouth ...did he say it to you , if not its just heresay.

Would think you would no that being such an expert in understanding evidence. lol

He said it live on TV....again you can dream and hope they have nothing...hes clear in what he says. the amount of denial on here is colossal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 02:57:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 02:30:37 PM
He said it live on TV....again you can dream and hope they have nothing...hes clear in what he says. the amount of denial on here is colossal

That’s true and congratulations at last on acquiring some self-awareness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 02:57:05 PM
That’s true and congratulations at last on acquiring some self-awareness.

enough evidence to say he killed MM....I think its you who is in denail with no self awareness
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 03:00:31 PM
enough evidence to say he killed MM....I think its you who is in denail with no self awareness

Denail ? Please explain ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 26, 2020, 03:09:52 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
Ah right, a pastime so you only come on when you have nothing else better to do.

Yes, Its because I think the mcc involved.

Seems all has gone so so quiet now with CB ..its all going to come to nothing.

First part of your post,  mind your own business.  Last part,  who knows.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 03:43:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 02:30:37 PM
He said it live on TV....again you can dream and hope they have nothing...hes clear in what he says. the amount of denial on here is colossal

So what ....when did W say it ...whatever, it is only words....he has no evidence whatsoever. just heresay

GA thinks the mccs concealed Maddie's body even wrote a book on it as you know...how colossal is your denial on that...and what he says.



Isnt it up to the police to gather evidence. not a prosecutor ...you get real, they usually only come into it when they have been charged....CB hasnt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 02:28:45 PM
Thats your imagination and then there's reality

Ye rightback at you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 04:10:07 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 03:43:02 PM
So what ....when did W say it ...whatever, it is only words....he has no evidence whatsoever. just heresay

GA thinks the mccs concealed Maddie's body even wrote a book on it as you know...how colossal is your denial on that...and what he says.



Isnt it up to the police to gather evidence. not a prosecutor ...you get real, they usually only come into it when they have been charged....CB hasnt.

It's not hearsay...and the prosecutor leads the investigation in Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 04:49:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 04:10:07 PM
It's not hearsay...and the prosecutor leads the investigation in Germany

So you’ve convinced yourself that the German police have evidence.....why the need to convince other members ? Wouldn’t it be better to say nothing and wallow in your own intellectual superiority when he’s charged ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 04:49:37 PM
So you’ve convinced yourself that the German police have evidence.....why the need to convince other members ? Wouldn’t it be better to say nothing and wallow in your own intellectual superiority when he’s charged ?

I haven't convinced myself of anything....you don't seem to get a lot right do you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 05:07:43 PM
I haven't convinced myself of anything....you don't seem to get a lot right do you

So you’re not convinced the prosecutor has evidence. Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 05:48:05 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 05:33:51 PM
So you’re not convinced the prosecutor has evidence. Thanks for clearing that up.
. You are wrong again..
I think they have...his statement and the statement made by Foy on the same doc...and the German strict confidentiality laws makes me think he wouldn't say anything he cannot substantiate
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 26, 2020, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 04:10:07 PM
It's not hearsay...and the prosecutor leads the investigation in Germany

Just as they do in Portugal, despite the unbelievable amount of denial by those who have striven for years to convince people it was the coordinator's role.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 06:01:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 26, 2020, 06:00:06 PM
Just as they do in Portugal, despite the unbelievable amount of denial by those who have striven for years to convince people it was the coordinator's role.  @)(++(*

Thanks for confirming If Im right
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 06:34:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 04:10:07 PM
It's not hearsay...and the prosecutor leads the investigation in Germany

Well, he must have made a decision by now....3 months and still no charges,



In Germany, the police have an obligation to investigate every single crime reported and subsequently send all investigations to the Staatsanwaltschaft. The public prosecutor, the Staatsanwalt (state attorney), reviews the findings of the police and decides whether to indict the accused or halt the proceedings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 06:34:50 PM
Well, he must have made a decision by now....3 months and still no charges,



In Germany, the police have an obligation to investigate every single crime reported and subsequently send all investigations to the Staatsanwaltschaft. The public prosecutor, the Staatsanwalt (state attorney), reviews the findings of the police and decides whether to indict the accused or halt the proceedings.

whatever
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 26, 2020, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 26, 2020, 06:34:50 PM
Well, he must have made a decision by now....3 months and still no charges,



In Germany, the police have an obligation to investigate every single crime reported and subsequently send all investigations to the Staatsanwaltschaft. The public prosecutor, the Staatsanwalt (state attorney), reviews the findings of the police and decides whether to indict the accused or halt the proceedings.
Why, is it the law that a decision must be made within 3 months of a public announcement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 07:00:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 05:48:05 PM
. You are wrong again..
I think they have...his statement and the statement made by Foy on the same doc...and the German strict confidentiality laws makes me think he wouldn't say anything he cannot substantiate

So you have convinced yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 07:08:48 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 07:00:01 PM
So you have convinced yourself.

Nope and thats a ridiculous assumption to make
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 26, 2020, 07:08:48 PM
Nope and thats a ridiculous assumption to make

You either have or you haven’t....what is it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 26, 2020, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 07:27:43 PM
You either have or you haven’t....what is it ?

I havent convinced myself...Ive been convinced by what Ive seen and read.....Im totally bored with your inane posts so im putting you on ignore ..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on August 27, 2020, 12:39:10 AM
Here we go again.

I think that Madeleine is still very much alive

I believe that she was abducted for a purpose and that she has been kindly looked after.  A lot of planning went into that abduction and almost certainly it was Madeleine that I saw in a 2012 video, videoed in a compeact VERY special place connected to my suspect and his associates.

After their need for Madeleine specifically, all the planning and all the risks taken, I do not believe that they will have physically harmed Madeleine.  They want her too much and after so many years with probably the same family they will want to keep her.  She has a lovely personality

To have abducted Madeleine is appalling, but the Law will surely treat an abductor very much lighter than a murderer.


I have already gone over the reasons that I believe the abductors probably want her, so will leave it there.


Everything is my considered and fact supported opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 27, 2020, 02:07:21 AM
Six degrees of separation:-
CB's 2005 72yr old rape victim's name & number in RM's phone contact list in 2007 (line 213 Diana M, spelt incorrectly)

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_1954.jpg

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 27, 2020, 08:38:54 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 26, 2020, 07:00:01 PM
So you have convinced yourself.
You have me blocked so why PM me?  "Can you recall what you said originally?" 
You're on my IGNORE list now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 27, 2020, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: misty on August 27, 2020, 02:07:21 AM
Six degrees of separation:-
CB's 2005 72yr old rape victim's name & number in RM's phone contact list in 2007 (line 213 Diana M, spelt incorrectly)

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_1954.jpg
I have also noticed that Manfred Seyferth, whom I think is the unreliable witness Brückner’s lawyer is referring to, is a fb friend of Michael Tatschl. (MT and CB stole fuel and MS broke into CB’s home when he was in prison) and found the video camera).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 27, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/

Sounds like Manfred S. Convictions for people trafficking. I think this is the unreliable witness CB's lawyer referred to.

(Article found by a poster elsewhere)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 27, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
Quote from: misty on August 27, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/

Sounds like Manfred S. Convictions for people trafficking. I think this is the unreliable witness CB's lawyer referred to.

(Article found by a poster elsewhere)
Doesn't get much more unreliable a witness than a people trafficker.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 27, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: The General on August 27, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
Doesn't get much more unreliable a witness than a people trafficker.

He was/is a good friend of Brueckner & Tatschl. Do you judge a man by the company he keeps?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 27, 2020, 12:55:52 PM
Report from CdM 9/4/06 of Brueckner & Tatschl arrest for diesel theft from trucks at marina in Portimao.
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/preso-gang-do-gasoleo
Google translate
PSP detained two foreigners who were stealing diesel fuel from trucks on the outskirts of Portimão, at dawn yesterday. According to a police source, the duo would reveal great professionalism, even using a pump to extract fuel from the tanks. The diesel would then be transferred to a reservoir installed in a closed box van.
April 9, 2006 at 12:00 am
 
It was around 1:00 am that a popular person made a call to the PSP police station to give an alert to the fact that there were two suspicious individuals next to heavy vehicles that were parked in a dirt space, at the Cardosas site.
It only took a few minutes for the picket of the PSP Criminal Investigation Squad, with the support of a patrol car, to arrive at the scene. According to our source, the two suspects were even caught in the act.
According to what the Correio da Manhã found out, the individuals had already broken into at least one fuel tank before the authorities arrived. It is that in the reservoir inside the van that they used, of Portuguese registration, about 300 liters of diesel were found.
The fuel would be transferred from the tanks of the heavy vehicles to the reservoir (with a capacity of about 1,000 liters) using an electric pump. This system would make the gas transfer operation very fast, making it difficult for the alleged thieves to be detected.
SEIZURE
The van and the rest of the equipment that the duo would use to steal diesel fuel ended up being seized by the authorities.
The two foreigners - a German and an Austrian, aged between 20 and 30 - were immediately arrested by the PSP.
The alleged thieves were present yesterday at the Tribunal de Turno, and the judge determined that they would wait for the trial to be held in a situation of preventive detention.
The authorities are now investigating the possible involvement of these foreigners in other fuel thefts recorded recently in the Algarve region, as well as the fate that would be given to diesel.


=============
There is a poor quality photograph attached to the article which may well contain images of Tatschl & Brueckner as they looked like in 2006. No doubt the Met/German police have already obtained a clear copy from the photographer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 27, 2020, 12:59:23 PM
Quote from: The General on August 27, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
Doesn't get much more unreliable a witness than a people trafficker.

I think some of the Pj just edge it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 27, 2020, 01:30:34 PM
It may well be that the Germans are trying to contact as many of his associates in Luz as they possibly can to see if they wer ewith CB on the night of the 3rd. they could also check with all bars in the area to see if anyone saw him. that way...when questioned if CB claims any alibi it can already be checked out...simple policework
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 27, 2020, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: misty on August 27, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/

Sounds like Manfred S. Convictions for people trafficking. I think this is the unreliable witness CB's lawyer referred to.

(Article found by a poster elsewhere)

It seems to be part of a recurring theme of information being given to Portuguese police  and never being heard of again.

Snip
The 46-year-old had reportedly given to Metropolitan Police “voluntarily and without any financial or other consideration, information about the case that has been cross-checked” and “he is considered a reliable source.”
________________________________________________________________________

To Vima has reportedly contacted the man in the region of Fthiotida, Central Greece. He admitted to have talked with Scotland Yard detectives who had come to Athens in  order to talk with him.

“I give important information for the case. On the day Madeleine disappeared I was also in the particular province in Portugal, in a neighbouring area,” the German national told the newspaper. He claimed that he had contacted the local police back then but there was no further investigation.

“Now there is keen interest from Scotland Yard for the information I have, however I am not allowed to say anything to anyone else.” the man said adding that his cooperation with British police will continue in the coming days.

To Vima-reporter’s question about Madeleine’s fate and if he thinks she was still alive, the man replied, ten years have passed since then are a lot..”  https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 02:10:43 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 27, 2020, 01:49:13 PM
It seems to be part of a recurring theme of information being given to Portuguese police  and never being heard of again.

Snip
The 46-year-old had reportedly given to Metropolitan Police “voluntarily and without any financial or other consideration, information about the case that has been cross-checked” and “he is considered a reliable source.”
________________________________________________________________________

To Vima has reportedly contacted the man in the region of Fthiotida, Central Greece. He admitted to have talked with Scotland Yard detectives who had come to Athens in  order to talk with him.

“I give important information for the case. On the day Madeleine disappeared I was also in the particular province in Portugal, in a neighbouring area,” the German national told the newspaper. He claimed that he had contacted the local police back then but there was no further investigation.

“Now there is keen interest from Scotland Yard for the information I have, however I am not allowed to say anything to anyone else.” the man said adding that his cooperation with British police will continue in the coming days.

To Vima-reporter’s question about Madeleine’s fate and if he thinks she was still alive, the man replied, ten years have passed since then are a lot..”  https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/

That was three years ago
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 27, 2020, 02:25:46 PM
Quote from: misty on August 27, 2020, 12:55:52 PM
Report from CdM 9/4/06 of Brueckner & Tatschl arrest for diesel theft from trucks at marina in Portimao.
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/preso-gang-do-gasoleo
Google translate
PSP detained two foreigners who were stealing diesel fuel from trucks on the outskirts of Portimão, at dawn yesterday. According to a police source, the duo would reveal great professionalism, even using a pump to extract fuel from the tanks. The diesel would then be transferred to a reservoir installed in a closed box van.
April 9, 2006 at 12:00 am
 
It was around 1:00 am that a popular person made a call to the PSP police station to give an alert to the fact that there were two suspicious individuals next to heavy vehicles that were parked in a dirt space, at the Cardosas site.
It only took a few minutes for the picket of the PSP Criminal Investigation Squad, with the support of a patrol car, to arrive at the scene. According to our source, the two suspects were even caught in the act.
According to what the Correio da Manhã found out, the individuals had already broken into at least one fuel tank before the authorities arrived. It is that in the reservoir inside the van that they used, of Portuguese registration, about 300 liters of diesel were found.
The fuel would be transferred from the tanks of the heavy vehicles to the reservoir (with a capacity of about 1,000 liters) using an electric pump. This system would make the gas transfer operation very fast, making it difficult for the alleged thieves to be detected.
SEIZURE
The van and the rest of the equipment that the duo would use to steal diesel fuel ended up being seized by the authorities.
The two foreigners - a German and an Austrian, aged between 20 and 30 - were immediately arrested by the PSP.
The alleged thieves were present yesterday at the Tribunal de Turno, and the judge determined that they would wait for the trial to be held in a situation of preventive detention.
The authorities are now investigating the possible involvement of these foreigners in other fuel thefts recorded recently in the Algarve region, as well as the fate that would be given to diesel.


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There is a poor quality photograph attached to the article which may well contain images of Tatschl & Brueckner as they looked like in 2006. No doubt the Met/German police have already obtained a clear copy from the photographer.

Interestingly "The authorities are now investigating the possible involvement of these foreigners in other fuel thefts recorded recently in the Algarve region, as well as the fate that would be given to diesel."

The first thing to spring to mind was whether or not there were other associated petrol thefts carried out in the Algarve.

Yet when a little girl went missing it seems the last thing in the mind of that investigation was to look for possible similar crimes to establish whether or not there could have been a pattern.

There certainly was regarding burglaries and there certainly was regarding home invasions resulting in little girls being assaulted in their beds.
We now know of two similar rapes involving entry to the premises, one of which saw Brueckner convicted - and one wonders if there were more that we don't know about.

In my opinion the warning signs were there but were studiously ignored.  Could it have been, as the Irish rape victim was allegedly told, that it was bad for tourism.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 27, 2020, 02:28:24 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 02:10:43 PM
That was three years ago

And they have been working on Madeleine's case since 2011.  So your point is?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 27, 2020, 02:37:53 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 02:10:43 PM
That was three years ago
Perhaps that's how long things take unless you have specific knowledge of how long an investigation should take
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 27, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: misty on August 27, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
He was/is a good friend of Brueckner & Tatschl. Do you judge a man by the company he keeps?
I've no idea what you're talking about; I didn't read the article.
As for your question: Pissaro, Monet, Renoir.......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 02:39:44 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 27, 2020, 02:28:24 PM
And they have been working on Madeleine's case since 2011.  So your point is?

And

If he wasn't suppose to say anything ...why is he talking to a greek newspaper.



“Now there is keen interest from Scotland Yard for the information I have, however I am not allowed to say anything to anyone else.” the man said adding that his cooperation with British police will continue in the coming days.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 27, 2020, 02:41:41 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 02:39:44 PM
And

If he wasn't suppose to say anything ...why is he talking to a greek newspaper.



“Now there is keen interest from Scotland Yard for the information I have, however I am not allowed to say anything to anyone else.” the man said adding that his cooperation with British police will continue in the coming days.

What have the PJ been doing in the last 13 years...nothing it seems
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 27, 2020, 02:41:41 PM
What have the PJ been doing in the last 13 years...nothing it seems


Its a news paper story fgs........not a sworn statement.


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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 27, 2020, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 02:45:29 PM

Its a news paper story fgs........not a sworn statement.


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You criticise the Germans so...what have the PJ been doing... nothing it seems...how come they haven't interviewed the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 27, 2020, 02:48:24 PM
You criticise the Germans so...what have the PJ been doing... nothing it seems...how come they haven't interviewed the McCanns


Maybe the German police will..wonder how that would go down if kmcc refuses to answer questions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 27, 2020, 03:38:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 02:39:44 PM
And

If he wasn't suppose to say anything ...why is he talking to a greek newspaper.



“Now there is keen interest from Scotland Yard for the information I have, however I am not allowed to say anything to anyone else.” the man said adding that his cooperation with British police will continue in the coming days.

So this alleged pal of Brueckner said what exactly to the Greek newspaper???  apart from telling them he wasn't talking to them.

Others have not been so circumspect as far as openly talking to media both print and video.  I think it sounds as if this guy has a story to tell starting with when he says he told it to the Portuguese police back in 2007 and was ignored.

There are many who have said much the same including I believe Mr Smith ~ Dr Totman's wife ~ Mr and Mrs Moyes and the sisters who who saw two blonde men acting suspiciously outside a flat adjacent to the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 27, 2020, 03:44:17 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 03:06:53 PM

Maybe the German police will..wonder how that would go down if kmcc refuses to answer questions.

I'm sure Kate would have no problems speaking with the Germans.  ...or Grange for that matter
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 27, 2020, 03:48:28 PM
Quote from: misty on August 27, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
He was/is a good friend of Brueckner & Tatschl. Do you judge a man by the company he keeps?
I find it interesting that both Michael T and Manfred S believe that Madeleine is alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 04:13:27 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 27, 2020, 03:38:37 PM
So this alleged pal of Brueckner said what exactly to the Greek newspaper???  apart from telling them he wasn't talking to them.

Others have not been so circumspect as far as openly talking to media both print and video.  I think it sounds as if this guy has a story to tell starting with when he says he told it to the Portuguese police back in 2007 and was ignored.

There are many who have said much the same including I believe Mr Smith ~ Dr Totman's wife ~ Mr and Mrs Moyes and the sisters who who saw two blonde men acting suspiciously outside a flat adjacent to the McCanns.

Another ex con it seems ...what is it with you people so much venom for GA.

You believe anyone who speaks out about CB ...as credable witnesses even though they are ex cons.

How credible do you honestly think he is.


The 46-year-old had reportedly given to Metropolitan Policed “voluntarily and without any financial or other consideration, information about the case that has been cross-checked” and “he is considered a reliable source.”

Citing several police sources and documents, To Vima writes that the German national who has permanent residence in France was arrested in Igoumenista, North-West Greece, in 2011 for the transport of illegal migrants from Africa. A case was filed but he was set free. He was arrested again in Thessaloniki in 2015, when he returned to Greece for holidays. He was sentenced to seven years and five months imprisonment. He denied charges claiming he had helped the three hiking foreigners. He served his sentence in the prison of Chania, Crete, and from there he contacted the team Grange.

HE was released form prison a few weeks ago and he allegedly used a cell phone registered to a woman, national of a Balkan country, and resident of Agios Panteleimonas district of Athens.

The man had been banned from living the country pending 2nd degree trial scheduled for next month.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 27, 2020, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 27, 2020, 03:44:17 PM
I'm sure Kate would have no problems speaking with the Germans.  ...or Grange for that matter

Actually she had absolutely no compunction about speaking to the Portuguese police for as long as she thought their investigation was entirely focused on Madeleine and her hopes for Madeleine's return to her family.

Where she drew the line was when she was officially made a suspect and the only investigation was into her culpability.
Why on earth would any mother desperate for her daughter's return co-operate with a nonsensical investigation into herself which if successful she knew would immediately result in Madeleine being officially written off and no-one would continue the search for her.

There was no evidence to support the mistaken suspicions and the search for Madeleine was continued not without great determination and effort by her parents.

That continuing search has culminated in evidence which has led to Brueckner's door.  This time when the police come knocking he will be found on the other side ~ unlike in 2007 as assured by Amaral he wasn't.

Therefore just as Kate McCann was advised by her lawyer not to answer questions when she was constituted a suspect in Madeleine's disappearance it seems that Brueckner has been given exactly the same advice by his lawyer.

I think it only remains to be seen if there is compelling evidence to charge Brueckner.

I don't think it is in the least surprising that the most damning information being given to the police about him by colleagues who knew him best, apparently emanates from criminals or those on the fringes of the law.

He is after all a career criminal and who would know him better than those of that ilk? 

Backed up as we know although of which some may choose to be in denial, by evidence to be found on electronic devices and court judgements reflecting his true character.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 27, 2020, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 27, 2020, 02:45:29 PM

Its a news paper story fgs........not a sworn statement.


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Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 27, 2020, 06:54:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 27, 2020, 06:27:56 PM
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

What gifts do you suppose the Greeks may be bearing?  The person giving information about Madeleine McCann to Scotland Yard is German.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 27, 2020, 06:55:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 27, 2020, 06:27:56 PM
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
Racist!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 28, 2020, 08:16:49 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 27, 2020, 06:54:48 PM
What gifts do you suppose the Greeks may be bearing?  The person giving information about Madeleine McCann to Scotland Yard is German.
Your less than subtle, hamfisted attempt at humour actually, inadvertently raises an important point. What is the true purpose of this information being relayed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 28, 2020, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: The General on August 28, 2020, 08:16:49 AM
Your less than subtle, hamfisted attempt at humour actually, inadvertently raises an important point. What is the true purpose of this information being relayed?
Rude.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 08:22:20 AM
But Fülscher said that the police investigations in both cases “are based on statements of the same dubious witnesses”. Adding: “I don’t believe anything these witnesses say.”

well guess what Mr Fulscher...we don't believe a word you say. Fulscher is now saying CB is not guilty of the rape conviction...incidentally further identifying his client as the suspect in the Maddie case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 28, 2020, 09:43:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2020, 08:22:20 AM
But Fülscher said that the police investigations in both cases “are based on statements of the same dubious witnesses”. Adding: “I don’t believe anything these witnesses say.”

well guess what Mr Fulscher...we don't believe a word you say. Fulscher is now saying CB is not guilty of the rape conviction...incidentally further identifying his client as the suspect in the Maddie case

Speak for yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 11:27:17 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 28, 2020, 09:43:38 AM
Speak for yourself.


the word "we" denotes me and at least one other...my dog rarely disagrees with me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 28, 2020, 11:31:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 27, 2020, 02:48:24 PM
You criticise the Germans so...what have the PJ been doing... nothing it seems...how come they haven't interviewed the McCanns

 @)(++(* now that is funny. Interview the no commenting McCanns again  *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 11:36:43 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on August 28, 2020, 11:31:07 AM
@)(++(* now that is funny. Interview the no commenting McCanns again  *%87

how come they havent asked to...because they are not suspects and not being investigated...wake up
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 28, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2020, 11:27:17 AM

the word "we" denotes me and at least one other...my dog rarely disagrees with me
We'd get more sense out of the dog and probably better spelling.
(I should insert a laughy / smiley emoji for avoidance of doubt that I'm joking)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 12:36:04 PM
Quote from: The General on August 28, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
We'd get more sense out of the dog and probably better spelling.
(I should insert a laughy / smiley emoji for avoidance of doubt that I'm joking)

it is my dog posting most of the time
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 28, 2020, 12:37:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2020, 12:36:04 PM
it is my dog posting most of the time
Tell Davel to get stop posting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 28, 2020, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2020, 12:36:04 PM
it is my dog posting most of the time
That is against the rules of the forum - it is forbidden to share your account with anyone.  Including your dog.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on August 28, 2020, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on August 28, 2020, 12:39:04 PM
That is against the rules of the forum - it is forbidden to share your account with anyone.  Including your dog.
That's a bit ruff, Rob. Besides, it explains a lot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 28, 2020, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: The General on August 28, 2020, 12:49:40 PM
That's a bit ruff, Rob. Besides, it explains a lot.
Give a dog a bone not a smart phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 28, 2020, 12:58:49 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on August 28, 2020, 12:53:52 PM
Give a dog a bone not a smart phone.

It's not a smartphone if it can't spell
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 28, 2020, 12:58:49 PM
It's not a smartphone if it can't spell

it has better grammar and spelling than you....might be best not let the goading continue mods
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 28, 2020, 01:04:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2020, 01:00:09 PM
it has better grammar and spelling than you....might be best not let the goading continue mods
Well just tell ADMIN that you are no longer letting your dog post on the forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 28, 2020, 01:35:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2020, 01:00:09 PM
it has better grammar and spelling than you....might be best not let the goading continue mods

Its typing  a post fgs not exactly an essay for an exam.

Better than saying your a dog anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 28, 2020, 01:35:39 PM
Its typing  a post fgs not exactly an essay for an exam.

Better than saying your a dog anyway.
I'm usually doing about ten other things when I'm posting...it's not me who wants to make a fuss about typos...it's your fellow sceptics..I'm not bothered...I think it's quite an ignorant thing to do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 28, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2020, 11:36:43 AM
how come they havent asked to...because they are not suspects and not being investigated...wake up

Go tell the Portuguese Supreme Court to wake up. Oh they have  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on August 28, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
Go tell the Portuguese Supreme Court to wake up. Oh they have  @)(++(*

Have you read what the supreme court said...I doubt it. It isn't what most people here think

The SC did not say they have not been cleared...they also did not say they have not been declared innocent


Anyone who disagrees simply supply the SC quote
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 28, 2020, 03:57:23 PM
I think this sums up nicely the current state of play.

The exasperated couple have been told by three nations’ forces in the UK, Germany and Portugal that Maddie could still be alive, that she is definitely dead and that detectives know who her abductor is but don’t have enough evidence to charge him or even quiz him.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-hoping-miracle-22589795
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 28, 2020, 05:30:00 PM
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-aussage-eines-zeugen-in-vergewaltigungsprozess-geschwaerzt-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000172728814-amp?__twitter_impression=true

*Google translate*

Blacked out statement in the McCann case
A witness with multiple criminal records incriminated suspect Christian B. in the Madeleine McCann case. This statement was made unrecognizable during the trial for the rape of a 72-year-old woman.
08/28/2020, 4:11 p.m.

One of the main witnesses in the case of Madeleine McCann , who disappeared in 2007 in Praia da Luz, Portugal , also played a key role in the allegation of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman. In both cases, Helge B. seriously incriminated the German Christian B., who had not yet been sentenced to seven years for the rape.

Helge B., with a multiple criminal record, reported to Scotland Yard about an annual kite festival in southern Spain, where he met Christian B. in spring 2008. There, the now 43-year-old is said to have admitted to having to do with the girl's disappearance.

In the testimony of Helge B. in the rape proceedings, however, this passage is blacked out. "In order to be able to check the credibility of the witness, the passage should have been disclosed," says Christian B's lawyer Friedrich Fülscher and demands "immediate access to the files". His client denies the allegations in both cases.

In Kiel, Fülscher applied for his client to be released from prison. Christian B. is currently serving a prison sentence for drug trafficking on Sylt. The courts in Kiel and Braunschweig had already argued weeks ago about the jurisdiction for this application. Since they still cannot come to an agreement, the court in Braunschweig appealed to the Federal Court of Justice again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 05:57:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 28, 2020, 03:57:23 PM
I think this sums up nicely the current state of play.

The exasperated couple have been told by three nations’ forces in the UK, Germany and Portugal that Maddie could still be alive, that she is definitely dead and that detectives know who her abductor is but don’t have enough evidence to charge him or even quiz him.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-hoping-miracle-22589795

I'm surprised you've been taken in by it.

Thats claptrap journalism...how much evidence do you need to question someone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 28, 2020, 06:39:45 PM
Quote from: misty on August 28, 2020, 05:30:00 PM
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-aussage-eines-zeugen-in-vergewaltigungsprozess-geschwaerzt-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000172728814-amp?__twitter_impression=true

*Google translate*

Blacked out statement in the McCann case
A witness with multiple criminal records incriminated suspect Christian B. in the Madeleine McCann case. This statement was made unrecognizable during the trial for the rape of a 72-year-old woman.
08/28/2020, 4:11 p.m.

One of the main witnesses in the case of Madeleine McCann , who disappeared in 2007 in Praia da Luz, Portugal , also played a key role in the allegation of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman. In both cases, Helge B. seriously incriminated the German Christian B., who had not yet been sentenced to seven years for the rape.

Helge B., with a multiple criminal record, reported to Scotland Yard about an annual kite festival in southern Spain, where he met Christian B. in spring 2008. There, the now 43-year-old is said to have admitted to having to do with the girl's disappearance.

In the testimony of Helge B. in the rape proceedings, however, this passage is blacked out. "In order to be able to check the credibility of the witness, the passage should have been disclosed," says Christian B's lawyer Friedrich Fülscher and demands "immediate access to the files". His client denies the allegations in both cases.

In Kiel, Fülscher applied for his client to be released from prison. Christian B. is currently serving a prison sentence for drug trafficking on Sylt. The courts in Kiel and Braunschweig had already argued weeks ago about the jurisdiction for this application. Since they still cannot come to an agreement, the court in Braunschweig appealed to the Federal Court of Justice again.

So according to that CB told his mate back in 2008, whats been the delay and why now for the mate to snitch? CB's lawyer is challenging Wolters to come up with something more than a mates (ex mate) word,which is clearly lacking imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 28, 2020, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2020, 03:31:46 PM
Have you read what the supreme court said...I doubt it. It isn't what most people here think

The SC did not say they have not been cleared...they also did not say they have not been declared innocent


Anyone who disagrees simply supply the SC quote

Page 70

And let not be said, too, that the appellants were cleared by the order of filing the criminal proceedings.

In fact, that dispatch was not proclaimed by virtue of the Public Ministry having gained the conviction that the appellants had not committed any crime (cf. art. 277° of the CPP).

The filing, in this case, was decided because it was not possible for Public Ministry to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants (cf. the cited art. 277°-2)

There is, therefore, a remarkable difference, and not merely a semantic one, between the legally admissible grounds of the filing order.

Thus, it does not appear acceptable to consider that the alluded dispatch, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be treated as evidence of innocence.

We consider, therefore, that the invocation of breach of the principle of presumption of innocence should not be upheld. That principle does not fall under the decision about the question that has to be resolved.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 28, 2020, 06:59:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 28, 2020, 06:39:45 PM
So according to that CB told his mate back in 2008, whats been the delay and why now for the mate to snitch? CB's lawyer is challenging Wolters to come up with something more than a mates (ex mate) word,which is clearly lacking imo.
There are now at least 3 people who are prepared to throw CB under the bus for Madeleine's abduction. Perhaps it is a damage limitation exercise ordered by a criminal hierarchy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 07:27:45 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on August 28, 2020, 06:48:29 PM
Page 70

And let not be said, too, that the appellants were cleared by the order of filing the criminal proceedings.

In fact, that dispatch was not proclaimed by virtue of the Public Ministry having gained the conviction that the appellants had not committed any crime (cf. art. 277° of the CPP).

The filing, in this case, was decided because it was not possible for Public Ministry to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants (cf. the cited art. 277°-2)

There is, therefore, a remarkable difference, and not merely a semantic one, between the legally admissible grounds of the filing order.

Thus, it does not appear acceptable to consider that the alluded dispatch, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be treated as evidence of innocence.

We consider, therefore, that the invocation of breach of the principle of presumption of innocence should not be upheld. That principle does not fall under the decision about the question that has to be resolved.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm

so according to the SC they were not cleared by the archiving report in 2008.....are they saying they have not been cleared since...no they are not.


are they saying they have not been proved innocent....no...they are saying that the archiving was not evidence of innocence...which it clearly is

HCW says he has enough evidene to  show that CB killed MM ..that may well be the proof of the McCanns innocence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 28, 2020, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 28, 2020, 06:39:45 PM
So according to that CB told his mate back in 2008, whats been the delay and why now for the mate to snitch? CB's lawyer is challenging Wolters to come up with something more than a mates (ex mate) word,which is clearly lacking imo.
I agree with Misty. There seems to be various witnesses/testimonies from acquaintances that Brückner is involved. They may have criminal records, hence them not forthcoming earlier. The German prosecutor is doing exactly what should have been done in Portugal i.e not sharing information within the public domain. My opinion. Wolters, to me, is a precise and calculated professional who will only reveal more when he considers the timing to be right. Davel has explained numerous times why Brückner hasn’t been interrogated as yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 07:58:31 PM
i would say the germans are doing atremnedous amount of backround work. Speaking to every persob CB knew to see if the can vouch for where he was on may 3. they can also interview evryone in Luz to see if CB was in any bar or seen anywhere.

CB can keep silent when asked where he was on may3 evening...but then as the police say it will  harm his defence if he then comes up with an alibi in court....

a lot of groundwork....combined with the strong evidence that he killed Maddie may well be enough to naill him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 28, 2020, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: misty on August 28, 2020, 06:59:54 PM
There are now at least 3 people who are prepared to throw CB under the bus for Madeleine's abduction. Perhaps it is a damage limitation exercise ordered by a criminal hierarchy.

There are now three people prepared to go to the press, with axes to grind,not worth a jot in front of a half decent defence lawyer, it'll never see the light of day in a court imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 09:22:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 28, 2020, 08:57:18 PM
There are now three people prepared to go to the press, with axes to grind,not worth a jot in front of a half decent defence lawyer, it'll never see the light of day in a court imo.

I am more interested in HCWs claim that he has enough evidence to show CB killed MM...you are in denial imo...we shall see in the next two months
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 28, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 28, 2020, 08:57:18 PM
There are now three people prepared to go to the press, with axes to grind,not worth a jot in front of a half decent defence lawyer, it'll never see the light of day in a court imo.
Those are the ones who have spoken to the press.  We don't know how many there may be who are keeping their silence, as they should.

I rather imagine Brueckner's lawyer will be far more than 'half decent' but in my opinion, he or she will have no say at all on whether he will face trial.  I think that is down to the prosecutors who are working on doing just that and I wish them all the luck in the world with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2020, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 28, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
Those are the ones who have spoken to the press.  We don't know how many there may be who are keeping their silence, as they should.

I rather imagine Brueckner's lawyer will be far more than 'half decent' but in my opinion, he or she will have no say at all on whether he will face trial.  I think that is down to the prosecutors who are working on doing just that and I wish them all the luck in the world with it.

breukners lawyer has potentially won the lottery...if he can protect breukner from justice his fortune is made..his problem is I doubt he can...but he will use every trick...dirty or otherwise to achieve that...money talks
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 29, 2020, 01:07:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2020, 09:31:58 PM
breukners lawyer has potentially won the lottery...if he can protect breukner from justice his fortune is made..his problem is I doubt he can...but he will use every trick...dirty or otherwise to achieve that...money talks

Do we know who's paying Fulsher?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2020, 06:46:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2020, 09:22:20 PM
I am more interested in HCWs claim that he has enough evidence to show CB killed MM...you are in denial imo...we shall see in the next two months
According to the Aussie podcast Amaral talked of a German suspect last year,it's going nowhere, lack of any forensic evidence,the word of unreliable witnesses,the Germans have been sold a pup.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2020, 06:58:54 AM
Quote from: misty on August 29, 2020, 01:07:53 AM
Do we know who's paying Fulsher?
Is there a German equivalent of legal aid?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2020, 08:21:15 AM
Quote from: misty on August 29, 2020, 01:07:53 AM
Do we know who's paying Fulsher?

Not sure if this covers it.

https://mkenyaujerumani.de/2015/05/21/legal-aid-in-germany/#:~:text=LEGAL%20AID%20SYSTEM-,HOW%20IS%20IT%20ORGANISED%3F,accused%2C%20not%20on%20financial%20need.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 29, 2020, 08:51:04 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 29, 2020, 06:46:16 AM
According to the Aussie podcast Amaral talked of a German suspect last year,it's going nowhere, lack of any forensic evidence,the word of unreliable witnesses,the Germans have been sold a pup.

That's your rather biased opinion based on wishful thinking because you can't hear to think Amaral is totally wrong and the McCanns are innocent.

A dodgy informant does not fit the description of concrete evidence that HCW is unwilling to share...
That evidence bis already in the public domain.
My thoughts are the evidence has something to do with the memory cards founf
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2020, 08:51:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 29, 2020, 06:46:16 AM
According to the Aussie podcast Amaral talked of a German suspect last year,it's going nowhere, lack of any forensic evidence,the word of unreliable witnesses,the Germans have been sold a pup.

That particular puppy has been on the radar since Madeleine vanished in 2007 when Amaral says a failed attempt was made to speak to him.

Unless the reason the Portuguese had an interest in him was recorded in the files which we have not had access to, there was no more reason for subsequent investigators to link him with the numbers on the phone dump than with hundreds of other calls made in the area at that time.

As far as I know he resurfaced as a result of an appeal made on German TV by Kate and Gerry and again as a result of a further appeal on the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance which led to his rape conviction.

In my opinion and it appears in the opinion of German~British and Portuguese police cooperation on this it is well worth taking this to its logical conclusion.

Well done Brueckner's lawyer for planting the seed in the susceptible that the witnesses are "unreliable".  Of course they are ... they are probably his partners in many crimes.  But it it the evidence and the information they are able to bring to the table which is important and as is their duty it is the police job to check it all out.

I think so far there is enough corroboration to keep the investigation live and bearing in mind the reported suspicion that Brueckner may have had associates I think the police will be inspecting the litter the pup came from very carefully indeed.

So don't despair ... it has been a long time coming ... but now it only remains for us to wait and see how many aces the police have up their sleeve.  I don't think it will be too long now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
The logical conclusion will be insufficient evidence,imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 29, 2020, 10:54:23 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 29, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
The logical conclusion will be insufficient evidence,imo.

We will soon know
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 11:20:59 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 29, 2020, 08:51:11 AM
That particular puppy has been on the radar since Madeleine vanished in 2007 when Amaral says a failed attempt was made to speak to him.

Unless the reason the Portuguese had an interest in him was recorded in the files which we have not had access to, there was no more reason for subsequent investigators to link him with the numbers on the phone dump than with hundreds of other calls made in the area at that time.

As far as I know he resurfaced as a result of an appeal made on German TV by Kate and Gerry and again as a result of a further appeal on the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance which led to his rape conviction.

In my opinion and it appears in the opinion of German~British and Portuguese police cooperation on this it is well worth taking this to its logical conclusion.

Well done Brueckner's lawyer for planting the seed in the susceptible that the witnesses are "unreliable".  Of course they are ... they are probably his partners in many crimes.  But it it the evidence and the information they are able to bring to the table which is important and as is their duty it is the police job to check it all out.

I think so far there is enough corroboration to keep the investigation live and bearing in mind the reported suspicion that Brueckner may have had associates I think the police will be inspecting the litter the pup came from very carefully indeed.

So don't despair ... it has been a long time coming ... but now it only remains for us to wait and see how many aces the police have up their sleeve.  I don't think it will be too long now.

So don't despair ... it has been a long time coming ... but now it only remains for us to wait and see how many aces the police have up their sleeve.  I don't think it will be too long now.

Don't they call those with aces up there sleeves............ Cheats...lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 29, 2020, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 11:20:59 AM
So don't despair ... it has been a long time coming ... but now it only remains for us to wait and see how many aces the police have up their sleeve.  I don't think it will be too long now.

Don't they call those with aces up there sleeves............ Cheats...lol

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 29, 2020, 10:54:23 AM
We will soon know

Think so,you said the echr thing would be resolved soon earlier in the year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2020, 12:53:47 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 11:20:59 AM
So don't despair ... it has been a long time coming ... but now it only remains for us to wait and see how many aces the police have up their sleeve.  I don't think it will be too long now.

Don't they call those with aces up there sleeves............ Cheats...lol

In Amaral's case you are absolutely correct ... "cheat" might be one of the words which could be safely applied although I can think of many, many more.

What I am incredulous about is that the revelations about Brueckner - which I am sure are far from a comprehensive list - have acted much as stirring a nest of vipers with a stick might have when I assess the resultant effect on some individuals.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 29, 2020, 12:53:47 PM
In Amaral's case you are absolutely correct ... "cheat" might be one of the words which could be safely applied although I can think of many, many more.

What I am incredulous about is that the revelations about Brueckner - which I am sure are far from a comprehensive list - have acted much as stirring a nest of vipers with a stick might have when I assess the resultant effect on some individuals.

I think with your absolute abhor for GA....it has somewhat clouded your judgment on this case.IMO

That's why with the german suspect you cant see the wood for the trees...as him being a scapegoat imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 29, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 01:35:59 PM
I think with your absolute abhor for GA....it has somewhat clouded your judgment on this case.IMO

That's why with the german suspect you cant see the wood for the trees...as him being a scapegoat imo

If the Germans have string evidence CB killed Maddie amaral is going to look extremely  stupid
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 01:48:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 29, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
If the Germans have string evidence CB killed Maddie amaral is going to look extremely  stupid

Why are you trying to make this out as you know everything?.....when you dont.

Your post seems propaganda to me.


Propaganda is communication that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 29, 2020, 02:04:10 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 01:48:46 PM
Why are you trying to make this out as you know everything?.....when you dont.

Your post seems propaganda to me.


Propaganda is communication that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information ...

If the germans have strong evidence that  CB killed maddie amaral is going to look pretty stupid
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 01:35:59 PM
I think with your absolute abhor for GA....it has somewhat clouded your judgment on this case.IMO

That's why with the german suspect you cant see the wood for the trees...as him being a scapegoat imo

Do you think your absolute abhorrence of Madeleine`s parents has somewhat clouded your judgement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 02:06:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 29, 2020, 02:04:10 PM
If the germans have strong evidence that  CB killed maddie amaral is going to look pretty stupid

Very possibly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 29, 2020, 02:15:39 PM
The important word is IF.

Individual personalities are of no importance

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 29, 2020, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 29, 2020, 02:04:10 PM
If the germans have strong evidence that  CB killed maddie amaral is going to look pretty stupid

That should be a comfort to all his enemies then. Every cloud and all that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2020, 03:04:09 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 01:35:59 PM
I think with your absolute abhor for GA....it has somewhat clouded your judgment on this case.IMO

That's why with the german suspect you cant see the wood for the trees...as him being a scapegoat imo

I think your post reveals a rather juvenile concept which leads you to totally mistake me and others posting in like vein.  I waste my life "abhorring" no-one.  But that does not blind me to recognising evidence and intelligence which allows me to form a valid opinion without the necessity of personal emotion being involved.

Neither you nor Amaral truly understand the meaning of "scapegoat", despite the fact the word precisely defines what Amaral attempted to do to Kate and Gerry McCann in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance, when they must have been at their lowest ebb.
Right up until the advent of Brueckner when he (Amaral) was still comparing Smithman with Gerry McCann.  I think that is a better definition of 'scapegoating' than either you or Amaral have achieved.

However Brueckner is no 'scapegoat'.
In my opinion he is the real deal.
Just to be clear on that ... scapegoat ; noun:  a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

Brueckner is a person who has been brought to the attention of the police entirely as a result of who he is ~ what he has done with his life ~ and the trail of evidence he has left behind him.
Amaral's opinion that he is a 'scapegoat' signifies only what a dreadfully awful cop he must have been to have learned of Brueckner's life and work profile over the past thirteen years and before and warning bells didn't ping for him as the antennae in Luz may very well have done for Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 29, 2020, 03:31:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 29, 2020, 02:50:44 PM
That should be a comfort to all his enemies then. Every cloud and all that.

It will  be justice for Maddie which I think is important
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2020, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 29, 2020, 02:04:10 PM
If the germans have strong evidence that  CB killed maddie amaral is going to look pretty stupid

If the suspect turns out to be the patsy then will Amarals reputation be enhanced.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 03:51:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 29, 2020, 03:04:09 PM
I think your post reveals a rather juvenile concept which leads you to totally mistake me and others posting in like vein.  I waste my life "abhorring" no-one.  But that does not blind me to recognising evidence and intelligence which allows me to form a valid opinion without the necessity of personal emotion being involved.

Neither you nor Amaral truly understand the meaning of "scapegoat", despite the fact the word precisely defines what Amaral attempted to do to Kate and Gerry McCann in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance, when they must have been at their lowest ebb.
Right up until the advent of Brueckner when he (Amaral) was still comparing Smithman with Gerry McCann.  I think that is a better definition of 'scapegoating' than either you or Amaral have achieved.

However Brueckner is no 'scapegoat'.
In my opinion he is the real deal.
Just to be clear on that ... scapegoat ; noun:  a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

Brueckner is a person who has been brought to the attention of the police entirely as a result of who he is ~ what he has done with his life ~ and the trail of evidence he has left behind him.
Amaral's opinion that he is a 'scapegoat' signifies only what a dreadfully awful cop he must have been to have learned of Brueckner's life and work profile over the past thirteen years and before and warning bells didn't ping for him as the antennae in Luz may very well have done for Brueckner.

As you say its only your opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 29, 2020, 03:54:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 29, 2020, 03:50:27 PM
If the suspect turns out to be the patsy then will Amarals reputation be enhanced.
If the suspect turns out to be guilty  or there's strong evidence then amarals reputation  will be pants.. Not enhanced
All he's shown is that someone  in the pj leaked info to him of the investigation... There is no evidence  CB is a patsy... He looks like a genuine suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 29, 2020, 03:57:37 PM

Let's hear it for a Convicted Paedophile, Rapist, why not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 29, 2020, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 29, 2020, 03:50:27 PM
If the suspect turns out to be the patsy then will Amarals reputation be enhanced.

Why would the German police supply a patsy and employ 100 officers to search a site.... Are they protecting the mccanns at all costs too... So... Why
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 29, 2020, 03:57:47 PM
Why would the German police supply a patsy and employ 100 officers to search a site.... Are they protecting the mccanns at all costs too... So... Why

German police supply a patsy and employ 100 officers to search a site


How do you know for certain what it was to do with
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 29, 2020, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on August 29, 2020, 04:13:58 PM
German police supply a patsy and employ 100 officers to search a site


How do you know for certain what it was to do with

Perhaps he forgot to take his library books back
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 29, 2020, 05:01:45 PM
Quote from: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 02:06:19 PM
Very possibly.

And who’s going to care ? If Brueckner is guilty then a beautiful, innocent young toddler has died at the hands of a vicious paedophile. I think folks will be focusing on that...don’t you ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 05:29:22 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 29, 2020, 05:01:45 PM
And who’s going to care ? If Brueckner is guilty then a beautiful, innocent young toddler has died at the hands of a vicious paedophile. I think folks will be focusing on that...don’t you ?

But you don't believe that..Do you!
If it is true and he is guilty of ending the life of a little girl in the most horrendous way, then I hope to God that no other child has met the same ghastly fate since Madeleine and yes the focus would rightly be on his woeful ivestigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 29, 2020, 05:35:58 PM
Nobody besides you and a handful of other supporters gives a monkey's about Amaral

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2020, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 05:29:22 PM
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And who’s going to care ? If Brueckner is guilty then a beautiful, innocent young toddler has died at the hands of a vicious paedophile. I think folks will be focusing on that...don’t you ?


But you don't believe that..Do you!
If it is true and he is guilty of ending the life of a little girl in the most horrendous way, then I hope to God that no other child has met the same ghastly fate since Madeleine and yes the focus would rightly be on his woeful ivestigation.

Have their been many children abducted since Maddie ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2020, 05:38:31 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 29, 2020, 05:01:45 PM
And who’s going to care ? If Brueckner is guilty then a beautiful, innocent young toddler has died at the hands of a vicious paedophile. I think folks will be focusing on that...don’t you ?

I'm not really sure what the parents of the "beautiful, innocent young toddler" who are still fervently hoping that Madeleine is still alive, would be focusing on in your hypothetical event.  I rather think that would have have to wait until all the circumstances were known.

If it were my child ... I have no idea what my initial reaction would be or what my long term decision making would involve.  It is very much a personal choice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 05:52:03 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 29, 2020, 05:35:58 PM
Nobody besides you and a handful of other supporters gives a monkey's about Amaral

IMO

But many sceptics still base their faith belief in his investigation.
Obviously you don't and like Faithlilly you may believe he is "yesterday's man"

What is the basis for your continuing support of the belief that Madeleine's parents were complcit in her disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2020, 05:53:19 PM
Quote from: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 05:52:03 PM
But many sceptics still base their faith belief in his investigation.
Obviously you don't and like Faithlilly you may believe he is "yesterday's man"

What is the basis for your continuing support of the belief that Madeleine's parents were complcit in her disappearance?

Evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2020, 05:53:19 PM
Evidence.

Yes....and where is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2020, 06:00:45 PM
Quote from: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
Yes....and where is it?

You are quite familiar with Martin Smith's witness statement, as well as Kate's prints on the window & Gerry screaming about paedo gangs.

It's all evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 06:03:03 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2020, 06:00:45 PM
You are quite familiar with Martin Smith's witness statement, as well as Kate's prints on the window & Gerry screaming about paedo gangs.

It's all evidence.

And you believe that's evidence?
Really?
Guess it has been ignored since Madeleine was abducted.

Why would that be?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 06:03:03 PM
And you believe that's evidence?
Really?
Guess it has been ignored since Madeleine was abducted.

Why would that be?

Since Maddie was what sorry? Abducted?  Pull the other one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
Since Maddie was what sorry? Abducted?  Pull the other one.

Sometimes your responses are totally underwhelming.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 29, 2020, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: Erngath on August 29, 2020, 05:29:22 PM
But you don't believe that..Do you!
If it is true and he is guilty of ending the life of a little girl in the most horrendous way, then I hope to God that no other child has met the same ghastly fate since Madeleine and yes the focus would rightly be on his woeful ivestigation.

See Jassi’s post below.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on August 30, 2020, 12:55:38 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 29, 2020, 11:13:46 PM
See Jassi’s post below.



Below what?
Ah!
You mean the post by Jassi after the one I made.
How very inadequate of you to use that post to reflect your own thoughts.
And how extremely inadequate  was her response.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2020, 07:23:28 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 29, 2020, 05:35:58 PM
Nobody besides you and a handful of other supporters gives a monkey's about Amaral

IMO

No one gives a monkey’s about Amaral on a personal level, tis  true, but his role in this saga (and the Cipriano case) is a deeply flawed and unedifying one, and imo most people presented with the facts would have to agree.  The fact that you are so keen to shut down all discussion about him would tend to support my view.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on August 30, 2020, 08:30:31 AM
Please keep comments civil.

Admin
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 30, 2020, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 30, 2020, 07:23:28 AM
No one gives a monkey’s about Amaral on a personal level, tis  true, but his role in this saga (and the Cipriano case) is a deeply flawed and unedifying one, and imo most people presented with the facts would have to agree.  The fact that you are so keen to shut down all discussion about him would tend to support my view.

Absolutely no interest in shutting down what I consider to be a total irrelevance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 30, 2020, 09:56:05 AM
Slighty off topic but imo relevant,there is a suspected serial killer on the loose,the police have identified him but he is unnamed because of obvious legal reasons,wonder if the same interest by the rabid press will be shown.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12535581/serial-killer-man-named-cops-re-examine-murder-suicides/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2020, 03:32:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 30, 2020, 09:53:02 AM
Absolutely no interest in shutting down what I consider to be a total irrelevance.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2020, 07:20:21 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 30, 2020, 09:53:02 AM
Absolutely no interest in shutting down what I consider to be a total irrelevance.
Good, then let us carry on slagging him off as and when we see fit in peace.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 30, 2020, 07:53:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 30, 2020, 07:20:21 PM
Good, then let us carry on slagging him off as and when we see fit in peace.

Feel free - for all the good it does.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2020, 08:59:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 30, 2020, 07:53:31 PM
Feel free - for all the good it does.
It does as much good as bitching about the McCanns, your preferred acitivity on this forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2020, 09:06:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 30, 2020, 08:59:54 PM
It does as much good as bitching about the McCanns, your preferred acitivity on this forum.

I greatly admire people who take the time out of their day to post insulting, offensive & often outright libellous comments about the McCanns.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 30, 2020, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 30, 2020, 08:59:54 PM
It does as much good as bitching about the McCanns, your preferred acitivity on this forum.

I don't think I actually do that - unless you can show otherwise
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2020, 09:45:58 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2020, 09:06:39 PM
I greatly admire people who take the time out of their day to post insulting, offensive & often outright libellous comments about the McCanns.
What a saddo you must be to have even bothered to write that sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2020, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 30, 2020, 09:45:58 PM
What a saddo you must be to have even bothered to write that sentence.

I'm delighted to receive your seal of approval.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 30, 2020, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 30, 2020, 09:45:58 PM
What a saddo you must be to have even bothered to write that sentence.

Spammy is right though.  Often outright Libellous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2020, 09:53:30 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2020, 09:49:30 PM
I'm delighted to receive your seal of approval.
And your comprehension skills are even more pitiful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2020, 10:44:56 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 30, 2020, 09:07:48 PM
I don't think I actually do that - unless you can show otherwise
You don’t actually bitch about the McCanns?  Of course not, you’re just so nice and understanding, your warm humanity positively oozes out of you every time their names come up in the discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2020, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 30, 2020, 09:56:05 AM
Slighty off topic but imo relevant,there is a suspected serial killer on the loose,the police have identified him but he is unnamed because of obvious legal reasons,wonder if the same interest by the rabid press will be shown.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12535581/serial-killer-man-named-cops-re-examine-murder-suicides/
It occurred to me that if CB had remained completely anonymous people like you would claim he was simply a media invention who didn’t actually exist.  How long before you’re ridiculing the investigation into the deaths of these old people at the hands of a suspected serial killer?  If charges aren’t brought in the next few weeks will you be scoffing and sneering at this one too?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 04, 2020, 05:50:42 PM
Something else he might have done,the lead investigators the brit press are on it,won't be long now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8698271/Police-investigating-German-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-carried-perverted-attack.html

Only in the village now,not outside 5a.


Mobile phone evidence places Brueckner in the tourist village on the night the youngster disappeared and he has been linked with a series of 25 break-ins throughout the resort.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 04, 2020, 05:56:08 PM
I wonder how many other paedo-cum-burglar-cum-violent rapists there were in the small village of PdL the night a small child vanished from her holiday apartment bedroom?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 04, 2020, 05:58:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 04, 2020, 05:50:42 PM
Something else he might have done,the lead investigators the brit press are on it,won't be long now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8698271/Police-investigating-German-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-carried-perverted-attack.html

Only in the village now,not outside 5a.


Mobile phone evidence places Brueckner in the tourist village on the night the youngster disappeared and he has been linked with a series of 25 break-ins throughout the resort.

Didn't think the brit press were that good,it came from Spiegel panorama.

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-weiteres-ermittlungsverfahren-gegen-verdaechtigen-christian-b-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000172863203
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 04, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 04, 2020, 05:58:27 PM
Didn't think the brit press were that good,it came from Spiegel panorama.

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-weiteres-ermittlungsverfahren-gegen-verdaechtigen-christian-b-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000172863203
As it said in paragraph 2 of the Mail article if you’d actually bothered reading it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 04, 2020, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 04, 2020, 05:56:08 PM
I wonder how many other paedo-cum-burglar-cum-violent rapists there were in the small village of PdL the night a small child vanished from her holiday apartment bedroom?

How many murders have happened in PDL if you believe murderers live there and took Madeleine?

President of Lagos Câmara, Júlio Barroso believes Lagos is “one of the safest regions in the world. That’s why so many people come here. Half of the residents in Praia da Luz are British,” he said.
https://www.portugalresident.com/praia-da-luz-is-safe/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 04, 2020, 10:03:57 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 04, 2020, 09:30:28 PM
How many murders have happened in PDL if you believe murderers live there and took Madeleine?

President of Lagos Câmara, Júlio Barroso believes Lagos is “one of the safest regions in the world. That’s why so many people come here. Half of the residents in Praia da Luz are British,” he said.
https://www.portugalresident.com/praia-da-luz-is-safe/
Who mentioned murderers?  I mentioned a burglar-paedo-rapist.  But now you come to mention it, two young girls have disappeared of the face of the earth from the same sparsely populated area, within three years of each other.  What are the chances, eh? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 04, 2020, 11:03:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 04, 2020, 10:03:57 PM
Who mentioned murderers?  I mentioned a burglar-paedo-rapist.  But now you come to mention it, two young girls have disappeared of the face of the earth from the same sparsely populated area, within three years of each other.  What are the chances, eh?

We know what happened to one of them though. Two members of her family went to jail for killing her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 04, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 04, 2020, 11:03:59 PM
We know what happened to one of them though. Two members of her family went to jail for killing her.
After at least one of them was tortured by the police and despite there being ZERO forensic evidence that they did the crime.  But hey, let’s not turn this into yet another thread about Cipriano. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 04, 2020, 11:25:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 04, 2020, 11:03:59 PM
We know what happened to one of them though. Two members of her family went to jail for killing her.

But never actually proven.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 04, 2020, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 04, 2020, 11:25:58 PM
But never actually proven.

It was to the satisfaction of the court...and the appeal court some time later.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 05, 2020, 12:04:26 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on September 04, 2020, 11:30:51 PM
It was to the satisfaction of the court...and the appeal court some time later.

What a very sorry tale.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 05, 2020, 12:18:32 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 05, 2020, 12:04:26 AM
What a very sorry tale.

Murder usually is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 05, 2020, 02:07:55 AM
Quote from: Faithlilly on September 05, 2020, 12:18:32 AM
Murder usually is.

Aw come on Faith.   The whole lead up and court case was a total sham

unless you believe in Torture to obtain false statements, silly hypotheses by the lead detective and his mate, both of whom are criminals + absolutely NO FORENSIC evidence


Oh, and let's not forget that Leonor was wearing a black top and that proved she had murdered Joane, didn't it ?  Only, of course, she was also wearing bright red trousers as well

The whole case was a farce IMO.   


All this is IMO but based on facts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 05, 2020, 02:23:38 AM
Quote from: sadie on September 05, 2020, 02:07:55 AM
Aw come on Faith.   The whole lead up and court case was a total sham

unless you believe in Torture to obtain false statements, silly hypotheses by the lead detective and his mate, both of whom are criminals + absolutely NO FORENSIC evidence


Oh, and let's not forget that Leonor was wearing a black top and that proved she had murdered Joane, didn't it ?  Only, of course, she was also wearing bright red trousers as well

The whole case was a farce IMO.   


All this is IMO but based on facts.

No, you are right.  It was a farce.  But sometimes there is nothing to be done.

Portugal will come to grief for what they did.  Chickens always come home to roost.  it just takes a minute or ten.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 09:30:33 AM
https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/mundo/suspeito-do-caso-maddie-investigado-por-abuso-sexual-de-outra-crianca-no-algarve_v1256662

Yesterday’s interview with Mr Wolters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 05, 2020, 09:43:47 AM
Still nothing to back up Wolter's hard evidence against his suspect to the disappearance of Madeleine ,even resorting to airing the investigation on tv in desperation,link the suspect to everything,something will stick in the end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2020, 09:56:17 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 05, 2020, 09:43:47 AM
Still nothing to back up Wolter's hard evidence against his suspect to the disappearance of Madeleine ,even resorting to airing the investigation on tv in desperation,link the suspect to everything,something will stick in the end.

You and others may think HCW has told bare face lies to the worlds media.... I find that unlikely.
He a actually mentioned a deadline as I recall... Which was the end of this year
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 05, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 09:30:33 AM
https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/mundo/suspeito-do-caso-maddie-investigado-por-abuso-sexual-de-outra-crianca-no-algarve_v1256662

Yesterday’s interview with Mr Wolters.

Thanks Anthro ~ well worth viewing https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/mundo/suspeito-do-caso-maddie-investigado-por-abuso-sexual-de-outra-crianca-no-algarve_v1256662


Police are investigating whether German Madeleine McCann suspect carried out a perverted attack on a ten-year-old girl in Portugal just weeks before Maddie disappeared
•   Christian Brueckner allegedly grabbed girl, ten, and masturbated in front of her
•   The attack happened just weeks before Madeleine McCann disappeared in 2007
•   The girl was saved when adults rushed to her aid and scared the pervert away
By ALLAN HALL FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 15:28, 4 September 2020

Police have opened an investigation into whether the German Madeleine McCann suspect carried out a sexual offence against a 10-year-old girl in Portugal just weeks before Madeleine disappeared.

Christian Brueckner allegedly grabbed a 10-year-old girl and masturbated in front of her on Salema beach in April 2007 - just weeks before Madeleine disappeared on May 3, reported Spiegel.

She was saved when adults rushed to her aid - causing the man to flee the scene.

The attack happened just six miles from the Ocean Club in Praia Da Luz where Madeleine is thought to have been taken from her bed in the middle of the night.

German judicial authorities have been aware of the case of the ten-year-old, who has not been named, since last year through a survey of sexual offences from Portugal.
She was playing with other children during a trip to the beach with her parents and family friends when a naked man grabbed hold of her.
He then touched himself while holding onto her, the girl told Portuguese investigators at the time.
Her father was forced to chase the man away from his daughter.

According to the magazine, the investigation against Brueckner has already been closed because the victim, who is from Germany, could not identify him in pictures.

However, after the investigation against him in the Madeleine case became known, the young woman contacted the police again and stated that she was now '99 percent' sure that he was the perpetrator. The investigation has resumed.

The German is considered by the Braunschweig prosecutor's office as a suspect in the spectacular criminal case surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine.

Brueckner has numerous and considerable criminal convictions, including for sexual offences against children.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8698271/Police-investigating-German-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-carried-perverted-attack.html


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 05, 2020, 10:25:44 AM
If it's not him, well then the place is obviously crawling with perverts.  Yeech.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 05, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 05, 2020, 09:56:17 AM
You and others may think HCW has told bare face lies to the worlds media.... I find that unlikely.
He a actually mentioned a deadline as I recall... Which was the end of this year

I've never said he told bare faced lies,I'm commenting on why there's no charges despite concrete evidence according to the man,doesn't add up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 05, 2020, 10:27:10 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 05, 2020, 10:25:44 AM
If it's not him, well then the place is obviously crawling with perverts.  Yeech.

Still does not an abductor make,where's the evidence to that supposed fact of disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2020, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 05, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
I've never said he told bare faced lies,I'm commenting on why there's no charges despite concrete evidence according to the man,doesn't add up.

It does add up if you listen to what he says.  He says he has enough evidence to show his suspect killed Maddie.. If he hasn't then he's telling lies... I think he has the  evidence.
He explained why he has not yet questioned his suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 05, 2020, 10:27:10 AM
Still does not an abductor make,where's the evidence to that supposed fact of disappearance?

HCW says he has it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 05, 2020, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 05, 2020, 10:35:12 AM
It does add up if you listen to what he says.  He says he has enough evidence to show his suspect killed Maddie.. If he hasn't then he's telling lies... I think he has the  evidence.
He explained why he has not yet questioned his suspect

We'll see,time and tide and all that, sun's up lots to do. &^&*%
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 05, 2020, 10:36:45 AM
We'll see,time and tide and all that, sun's up lots to do. &^&*%

Precisely... Time will tell
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2020, 10:42:28 AM
Strange isn't  it,
If the PJ announced tomorrow they had enough evidence to show Maddie died in the apartment and the parents hid the body I would be shocked and want to see it... Why do sceptics simply want to assume HCW is lying
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 05, 2020, 11:06:20 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 05, 2020, 10:35:12 AM
It does add up if you listen to what he says.  He says he has enough evidence to show his suspect killed Maddie.. If he hasn't then he's telling lies... I think he has the  evidence.
He explained why he has not yet questioned his suspect

I think he's in cloud cuckoo land.   (^&&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2020, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 05, 2020, 11:06:20 AM
I think he's in cloud cuckoo land.   (^&&

I think those who doubt him are
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 05, 2020, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 05, 2020, 11:22:50 AM
I think those who doubt him are

Let's face it, any idiot can say they have evidence in order to provoke a public reaction. He's certainly got that but not the informer response he hoped for, clearly there isn't any.  Brueckner was unfortunate to have been in Praia da Luz when the McCanns were there and that's where the coincidence ends imho.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2020, 11:28:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 05, 2020, 11:26:51 AM
Let's face it, any idiot can say they have evidence in order to provoke a public reaction. He's certainly got that but not the informer response he hoped for, clearly there isn't any.

Any idiot doesn't become  prosecutor in Germany,
Clearly  he has the evidence he claims and has not released it for the reasons he's given
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 11:37:24 AM
Lately, I have been wondering about Euclides Monteiro, former OC employee with a record for theft and child abuse. The PJ have tracked his phone number to the vicinity of the OC on 3 May 2007 and declared him a suspect in the case. Perhaps it is significant re. Brückner’s tracked number on the same evening?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 05, 2020, 12:07:44 PM
Another scapegoat and no evidence was found linking him to MM.

Monteiro's widow Luisa, who lives in Lagos with their 10-year-old son, was asked "question after question" about her late partner's movements.

She said: "They are trying to make a dead man a scapegoat."

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id467.htm

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 05, 2020, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 11:37:24 AM
Lately, I have been wondering about Euclides Monteiro, former OC employee with a record for theft and child abuse. The PJ have tracked his phone number to the vicinity of the OC on 3 May 2007 and declared him a suspect in the case. Perhaps it is significant re. Brückner’s tracked number on the same evening?

In my opinion this man was used by the Porto team as the 'new evidence' which had to be produced in order to re-open the investigation.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2020, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 05, 2020, 01:01:10 PM
In my opinion this man was used by the Porto team as the 'new evidence' which had to be produced in order to re-open the investigation.

So the portuguese just did what they were told by SY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 01:38:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 05, 2020, 01:01:10 PM
In my opinion this man was used by the Porto team as the 'new evidence' which had to be produced in order to re-open the investigation.
I did not realise the PJ’s re-opening of Madeleine’s case was that contrived.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 01:43:03 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 05, 2020, 12:07:44 PM
Another scapegoat and no evidence was found linking him to MM.

Monteiro's widow Luisa, who lives in Lagos with their 10-year-old son, was asked "question after question" about her late partner's movements.

She said: "They are trying to make a dead man a scapegoat."

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id467.htm
I am aware of his widow’s statement. Why would the PJ, at the time regard him as a main suspect though?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 05, 2020, 01:43:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 05, 2020, 10:27:10 AM
Still does not an abductor make,where's the evidence to that supposed fact of disappearance?
Did you actually read what I wrote or do you just repeat the same mantra every time you see one of my posts?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 05, 2020, 01:45:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 05, 2020, 01:18:20 PM
So the portuguese just did what they were told by SY
And yet we're also told they have primacy in this investigation, so are they the Met's bitches or not...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 05, 2020, 02:50:41 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 01:43:03 PM
I am aware of his widow’s statement. Why would the PJ, at the time regard him as a main suspect though?

When the PJ officially came on board SY focused on the Smithman efits on Crimewatch not dead Tractor Man which led nowhere. Police will reveal what they want you to know. If the Portuguese said they came on board because of that man it doesn't mean it's the truth.

Close friend Sergio Paulo, 44, a builder from Lagos, told the Daily Mirror: 'Toni was a good guy but he had some serious drug problems. He would smoke heroin and become a slave to it.

'I know he would sometimes break into apartments and rob them. He was taking valuables from rooms at Ocean Club and selling them for drugs.'

Drugs like CB was involved in which has nothing to do with abducting children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 05, 2020, 03:26:40 PM
I am still of the belief that Smithman is key to this mystery and I don't mean just because he looked like Gerry McCann although that coincidence is somewhat bizarre.  Wonder if Martin Smith still holds the view that the man his family encountered that night was Madeleine's father...  *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 05, 2020, 03:27:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 05, 2020, 01:18:20 PM
So the portuguese just did what they were told by SY

Operation Grange were very keen for the PJ to re-open their investigation because, imo, theirs was useless on it's own. I think the Porto team were set up to see if they could find a reason for doing so, because new evidence was needed to justify a re-opening.

Article 279 - Reopening of the investigation

1. Once the period referred to in the previous article has expired, the investigation may be reopened only if new evidence appears to invalidate the grounds invoked by the Public Ministry in the filing order.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Annulment_request.htm

Luckily they discovered Monteira, a completely new suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 05, 2020, 03:29:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 05, 2020, 10:35:12 AM
It does add up if you listen to what he says.  He says he has enough evidence to show his suspect killed Maddie.. If he hasn't then he's telling lies... I think he has the  evidence.
He explained why he has not yet questioned his suspect

Anthro supplied a link where he explains in words of one syllable exactly why details of the ongoing alleged child abuse investigation which happened shortly before Madeleine vanished had been supplied to Brueckner's lawyer when asked by Sandra Felguieras https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/mundo/covid-19-a-situacao-ao-minuto-do-novo-coronavirus-no-pais-e-no-mundo_e1256852
It is not associated with Madeleine's disappearance and is a stand alone crime.  In my opinion and reading between the lines it may very well be one of a series of investigations the Germans are working through.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 05, 2020, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 05, 2020, 03:27:29 PM
Operation Grange were very keen for the PJ to re-open their investigation because, imo, theirs was useless on it's own. I think the Porto team were set up to see if they could find a reason for doing so, because new evidence was needed to justify a re-opening.

Article 279 - Reopening of the investigation

1. Once the period referred to in the previous article has expired, the investigation may be reopened only if new evidence appears to invalidate the grounds invoked by the Public Ministry in the filing order.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Annulment_request.htm

Luckily they discovered Monteira, a completely new suspect.

A drug user and a burglar ... certainly fits part of the profile of the person thought to be the prime suspect of three national police forces and those questioned in 2014.

I think the thought processes of the investigators regarding Madeleine's disappearance are transparently clear and consistently so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 05, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
Quote from: Brietta on September 05, 2020, 03:43:42 PM
A drug user and a burglar ... certainly fits part of the profile of the person thought to be the prime suspect of three national police forces and those questioned in 2014.

I think the thought processes of the investigators regarding Madeleine's disappearance are transparently clear and consistently so.

I disagree.  Even when eyewitness evidence and other circumstantial evidence pointed to the McCanns, even when their own behaviour and refusal to answer the most basic questions betrayed an underying guilt and even after they orchestrated and funded a campaign against the very police force charged with investigating the disappearance of their own child, the British police REFUSED to provide the information and tasking requested by the Portuguese judicial authorities.

Is it any wonder people are suspicious of this entire fiasco?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 05, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
I disagree.  Even when eyewitness evidence and other circumstantial evidence pointed to the McCanns, even when their own behaviour and refusal to answer the most basic questions betrayed an underying guilt and even after they orchestrated and funded a campaign against the very police force charged with investigating the disappearance of their own child, the British police REFUSED to provide the information and tasking requested by the Portuguese judicial authorities.

Is it any wonder people are suspicious of this entire fiasco?

There was and is no reliable evidence pointing at the McCanns... The PJ misunderstood  .the alerts and the dna...Kate was absolutely  right not to answer the inept pj gor reasons that have been posted many times
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 05, 2020, 05:15:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 05, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
I disagree.  Even when eyewitness evidence and other circumstantial evidence pointed to the McCanns, even when their own behaviour and refusal to answer the most basic questions betrayed an underying guilt and even after they orchestrated and funded a campaign against the very police force charged with investigating the disappearance of their own child, the British police REFUSED to provide the information and tasking requested by the Portuguese judicial authorities.

Is it any wonder people are suspicious of this entire fiasco?
Y-A-W-N
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 05, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
There was and is no reliable evidence pointing at the McCanns... The PJ misunderstood  .the alerts and the dna...Kate was absolutely  right not to answer the inept pj gor reasons that have been posted many times
It is said that Brückner collected golf balls which he presumably sold. We know that he used to live at the farmhouse close to Praia da Luz and in close proximity to the Boavista Golf resort. Do we know at which golf course Monteiro was killed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 05, 2020, 05:23:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 05, 2020, 03:27:29 PM
Operation Grange were very keen for the PJ to re-open their investigation because, imo, theirs was useless on it's own. I think the Porto team were set up to see if they could find a reason for doing so, because new evidence was needed to justify a re-opening.

Article 279 - Reopening of the investigation

1. Once the period referred to in the previous article has expired, the investigation may be reopened only if new evidence appears to invalidate the grounds invoked by the Public Ministry in the filing order.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Annulment_request.htm

Luckily they discovered Monteira, a completely new suspect.

Correct me if I'm wrong,  but didn't the PJ open an investigation in secret?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 05, 2020, 06:45:29 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 05:19:07 PM
It is said that Brückner collected golf balls which he presumably sold. We know that he used to live at the farmhouse close to Praia da Luz and in close proximity to the Boavista Golf resort. Do we know at which golf course Monteiro was killed?

Interesting question Anthro. 

When he lived in that farmhouse, he was less than 200 metres from the edge of the Boavista Golf course,  A nice little earner selling found golf balls and I wonder if he knew Monteiro?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 05, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 05, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
I disagree.  Even when eyewitness evidence and other circumstantial evidence pointed to the McCanns, even when their own behaviour and refusal to answer the most basic questions betrayed an underying guilt and even after they orchestrated and funded a campaign against the very police force charged with investigating the disappearance of their own child, the British police REFUSED to provide the information and tasking requested by the Portuguese judicial authorities.

Is it any wonder people are suspicious of this entire fiasco?

I have seen it said on here that the PJ comprehensively investigated the McCanns. They ought to compare it to the investigation of Murat, which was unbelievably intrusive. They even looked at his mother's medical records.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: sadie on September 05, 2020, 06:45:29 PM
Interesting question Anthro. 

When he lived in that farmhouse, he was less than 200 metres from the edge of the Boavista Golf course,  A nice little earner selling found golf balls and I wonder if he knew Monteiro?
Exactly, Sadie. Since Brückner is the new suspect, surely authorities would be looking into a possible acquaintance between the two. Also, since the PJ were persistent that Monteiro played some part in Madeleine’s disappearance. Only my thinking. I don’t have a link right now but Monteiro’s sister Paula, said at the time, Monteiro would swap and sell phones all the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 07:55:08 PM
Exactly, Sadie. Since Brückner is the new suspect, surely authorities would be looking into a possible acquaintance between the two. Also, since the PJ were persistent that Monteiro played some part in Madeleine’s disappearance. Only my thinking. I don’t have a link right now but Monteiro’s sister Paula, said at the time, Monteiro would swap and sell phones all the time.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8764213/madeleine-mccann-chief-suspect-never-interviewed/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 05, 2020, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 05:19:07 PM
It is said that Brückner collected golf balls which he presumably sold. We know that he used to live at the farmhouse close to Praia da Luz and in close proximity to the Boavista Golf resort. Do we know at which golf course Monteiro was killed?

I suggest you read this link and end this nonsense.

Synopsis/ quick highlights: Euclides Monteiro has an alibi for the time when Maddie disappeared, his DNA was tested back in 2008 and no matches were found, he does not have a record of child sex abuse.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/85may14/RTP_02_50_2014.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 05, 2020, 08:03:46 PM
I suggest you read this link and end this nonsense.

Synopsis/ quick highlights: Euclides Monteiro has an alibi for the time when Maddie disappeared, his DNA was tested back in 2008 and no matches were found, he does not have a record of child sex abuse.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/85may14/RTP_02_50_2014.htm
And I suggest you stop patronising me and end this nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 06, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 05:19:07 PM
It is said that Brückner collected golf balls which he presumably sold. We know that he used to live at the farmhouse close to Praia da Luz and in close proximity to the Boavista Golf resort. Do we know at which golf course Monteiro was killed?

If memory serves me well, Misty carried out a fair bit of research regarding this and posted the name of the golf course where the alleged fatality occurred.  I forget what it was called but I don't think it was the Boavista.

Interestingly she was unable to find any information at all regarding the circumstances of Montiero's demise.  Neither a record of death nor the report of a fatal tractor accident in any of the newspapers.

Although tractors feature as a high risk factor in Portugal either as a driver, other road user or a sunbather on a beach they seem still to be newsworthy according to the hundreds of reports on Google.
A very short search turned up these examples which are similar to what we have been told about Montiero's death:-

A serious accident occurred on Monday morning (6/11), around 10:30 am, took the life of Manoel Conceição de Jesus, 48 years old. The tractor driver lost control and overturned the vehicle, on Estrada Velha de Jaíba, Fazenda Roçadinho, in Feira de Santana.
According to reports, the victim was trapped under the tractor and died instantly. There is no information on what would have caused the accident.
https://aratuon.com.br/noticias/feira-de-santana-motorista-morre-apos-capotar-trator-em-distrito-da-cidade/
According to information, a man identified as José, 35, who lives in the region, worked with a tractor to spray an orchard, when for reasons still to be determined, the tractor fell and ended up hitting his body.
Friends and employees called the SAMU, but the medical team can only verify the death on the spot.
https://mogimirim.portaldacidade.com/noticias/policial/trator-tomba-em-cima-de-trabalhador-que-morreu-na-hora-3647

https://www.gruporbp.com.br/editorial/destaque/motorista-perde-controle-de-trator-e-morre-apos-capotagem-em-barra-do-pirai

https://tnonline.uol.com.br/noticias/apucarana/45,486698,14,01,trabalhador-que-morreu-apos-trator-tombar-em-apucarana-e-identificado

https://www.radioboanova.pt/mangualde-capotamento-de-trator-agricola-provoca-um-morto/



Euclides Montiero seems to be quite unique in not having his death reported in the local press.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 08:42:33 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 05, 2020, 08:59:35 PM
And I suggest you stop patronising me and end this nonsense.

The nonsense is that the dead guy is somehow implicated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 09:03:54 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 08:42:33 AM
The nonsense is that the dead guy is somehow implicated.

Could be implicated.. Not as nonsensical as the parents being implicated... Has he been positively ruled out.. Could well have been involved with CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 09:05:32 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 06, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
If memory serves me well, Misty carried out a fair bit of research regarding this and posted the name of the golf course where the alleged fatality occurred.  I forget what it was called but I don't think it was the Boavista.

Interestingly she was unable to find any information at all regarding the circumstances of Montiero's demise.  Neither a record of death nor the report of a fatal tractor accident in any of the newspapers.

Although tractors feature as a high risk factor in Portugal either as a driver, other road user or a sunbather on a beach they seem still to be newsworthy according to the hundreds of reports on Google.
A very short search turned up these examples which are similar to what we have been told about Montiero's death:-

A serious accident occurred on Monday morning (6/11), around 10:30 am, took the life of Manoel Conceição de Jesus, 48 years old. The tractor driver lost control and overturned the vehicle, on Estrada Velha de Jaíba, Fazenda Roçadinho, in Feira de Santana.
According to reports, the victim was trapped under the tractor and died instantly. There is no information on what would have caused the accident.
https://aratuon.com.br/noticias/feira-de-santana-motorista-morre-apos-capotar-trator-em-distrito-da-cidade/
According to information, a man identified as José, 35, who lives in the region, worked with a tractor to spray an orchard, when for reasons still to be determined, the tractor fell and ended up hitting his body.
Friends and employees called the SAMU, but the medical team can only verify the death on the spot.
https://mogimirim.portaldacidade.com/noticias/policial/trator-tomba-em-cima-de-trabalhador-que-morreu-na-hora-3647

https://www.gruporbp.com.br/editorial/destaque/motorista-perde-controle-de-trator-e-morre-apos-capotagem-em-barra-do-pirai

https://tnonline.uol.com.br/noticias/apucarana/45,486698,14,01,trabalhador-que-morreu-apos-trator-tombar-em-apucarana-e-identificado

https://www.radioboanova.pt/mangualde-capotamento-de-trator-agricola-provoca-um-morto/



Euclides Montiero seems to be quite unique in not having his death reported in the local press.

All within the last 3 yrs or so,any from back in the area of 2007 /10? if not whats the point you are trying to make?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 09:09:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 06, 2020, 09:03:54 AM
Could be implicated.. Not as nonsensical as the parents being implicated... Has he been positively ruled out.. Could well have been involved with CB

Involved with CB in what exactly, its all rumour.Wolters has strong suspicions nothing else and with each passing day its clear that's all he has.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on September 06, 2020, 09:11:43 AM
barrier i think the problem is some people think  what mattered  in  any year between  2007 and now matters  it  doesnt     like   police   saying the  mcanns  were cleared in   2013  etc??     the    police owe no one  anything    and  are allowed their own opinion   for all we know the  police probably  still   suspect the mcanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 06, 2020, 09:43:24 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 09:09:53 AM
Involved with CB in what exactly, its all rumour.Wolters has strong suspicions nothing else and with each passing day its clear that's all he has.
What a relief for you and your ilk, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 09:48:00 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 06, 2020, 09:43:24 AM
What a relief for you and your ilk, eh?

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 06, 2020, 09:49:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 09:48:00 AM
Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
Translation please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 06, 2020, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 09:48:00 AM
Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
Yeah, and try telling that the the hundreds  of McCann sceptics down the years who decided they were guilty and have bust a gut ever since trying to persuade the rest of us they did it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 09:54:23 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 09:48:00 AM
Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat

Equally true for those who accuse the McCanns of being involved in their child's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on September 06, 2020, 09:11:43 AM
barrier i think the problem is some people think  what mattered  in  any year between  2007 and now matters  it  doesnt     like   police   saying the  mcanns  were cleared in   2013  etc??     the    police owe no one  anything    and  are allowed their own opinion   for all we know the  police probably  still   suspect the mcanns

Which police?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 10:00:49 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 09:48:00 AM
Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat

thats a joke coming from a poster who continually says amaral hasnt been proved wrong...from sceptics saying the mccans havent been proven innocent. its take CB to help sceptics understand the presumption of innocence...but at least youve got there in the end
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 10:02:58 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 06, 2020, 09:49:11 AM
Translation please.
it means the burden of proof is on the accuser ...no one has to prove their innocence...quite ironic in the circumstances of this forum
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 06, 2020, 09:49:11 AM
Translation please.

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat

The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms not he who denies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 10:30:17 AM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 09:54:23 AM
Equally true for those who accuse the McCanns of being involved in their child's disappearance.

The thread is about the new suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 06, 2020, 10:31:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 06, 2020, 10:02:58 AM
it means the burden of proof is on the accuser ...no one has to prove their innocence...quite ironic in the circumstances of this forum

Innocent until proven guilty.   It is not up to the McCann's to prove their innocence it is up to the Police to prove them guilty,  which they didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 06, 2020, 10:00:49 AM
thats a joke coming from a poster who continually says amaral hasnt been proved wrong...from sceptics saying the mccans havent been proven innocent. its take CB to help sceptics understand the presumption of innocence...but at least youve got there in the end

The thread is about the new suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 10:29:48 AM
Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat

The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms not he who denies.

Tempus dicet
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 06, 2020, 10:32:11 AM
Tempus dicet

Carpe diem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 10:38:51 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 06, 2020, 09:53:57 AM
Yeah, and try telling that the the hundreds  of McCann sceptics down the years who decided they were guilty and have bust a gut ever since trying to persuade the rest of us they did it.

I'm not interested in convincing anyone the McCanns are guilty of 'doing it' because I don't know who the perp was. What has always interested me is pointing out the amount of misinformation, speculation and assumptions connected to this case. Opinions based on facts are the only opinions that count imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 10:31:54 AM
The thread is about the new suspect.

Very true.
CB is the new suspect!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 10:41:47 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 10:38:51 AM
I'm not interested in convincing anyone the McCanns are guilty of 'doing it' because I don't know who the perp was. What has always interested me is pointing out the amount of misinformation, speculation and assumptions connected to this case. Opinions based on facts are the only opinions that count imo.

The irony of that is that you decide what the facts are...therfore the facts are facts...in your opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 10:40:24 AM
Very true.
CB is the new suspect!

The German police have made him a murder suspect. The UK police are still looking for a missing person. The PJ are very quiet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 10:44:41 AM
The German police have made him a murder suspect. The UK police are still looking for a missing person. The PJ are very quiet.

A missing person may have been murdered....you are trying to make a division where non exists imo. The reason you perceive this is because at the moment teh Germans will not share their evidence....imo they dont trust the PJ to respect confidentiality. I think all will be revealed in the coming months...I see HCW as a very competent operator...not the sort who gets legless at lunchtime
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 10:44:41 AM
The German police have made him a murder suspect. The UK police are still looking for a missing person. The PJ are very quiet.

The German police have been very definitive and have made a very damming statement about CB
Do you doubt them and if so why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 10:52:31 AM
The German police have been very definitive and have made a very damming statement about CB
Do you doubt them and if so why?

The police often suspect people but it doesn't mean they're guilty. They have triggered another media circus and it could well fizzle out along with the other circuses; Murat, the thousands of sightings, the Victoria Beckham woman, the woman in purple, the four arguidos and many more. I would be a fool, imo, to see any story as the answer. When (and if) they charge him we'll see what they've got.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 10:52:31 AM
The German police have been very definitive and have made a very damming statement about CB
Do you doubt them and if so why?

In making that definite and damning statement they admit they have no definitive evidence Madeleine is dead only assume,never assume it make's an ass out of u and me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 12:46:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 12:39:38 PM
In making that definite and damning statement they admit they have no definitive evidence Madeleine is dead only assume,never assume it make's an ass out of u and me.

So why did he make such a definitive and damming statement ?
Do you think he is an ass ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on September 06, 2020, 12:54:59 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 12:46:28 PM
So why did he make such a definitive and damming statement ?
Do you think he is an ass ?

In a word... YES

Nothing will come of this German sham investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 06, 2020, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 06, 2020, 12:54:59 PM
In a word... YES

Nothing will come of this German sham investigation.

I think it is too soon to come to that conclusion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: John on September 06, 2020, 12:54:59 PM
In a word... YES

Nothing will come of this German sham investigation.

What makes you so positive that this is a "sham " investigation?
You do seem absolutely sure it is.
Sham is a strong work to use.
You suggest by your use of the word sham that it is a deliberate policy/tactic?
Why would the German police be carrying out a "sham" investigation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 01:02:21 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 12:46:28 PM
So why did he make such a definitive and damming statement ?
Do you think he is an ass ?

He did claim to have written to the McCanns, but they denied it. If he didn't warn them of what he was going to announce to the media that was an error of judgement at the least.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 01:02:21 PM
He did claim to have written to the McCanns, but they denied it. If he didn't warn them of what he was going to announce to the media that was an error of judgement at the least.

It would be an error of judgement..........if true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 12:59:28 PM
I think it is too soon to come to that conclusion.

Of course it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 06, 2020, 01:06:47 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 12:59:28 PM
I think it is too soon to come to that conclusion.

How long do you think we should wait before coming to a conclusion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 06, 2020, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 10:38:51 AM
I'm not interested in convincing anyone the McCanns are guilty of 'doing it' because I don't know who the perp was. What has always interested me is pointing out the amount of misinformation, speculation and assumptions connected to this case. Opinions based on facts are the only opinions that count imo.
Your pointings-out are all verrrry one-sided, in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 06, 2020, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: jassi on September 06, 2020, 01:06:47 PM
How long do you think we should wait before coming to a conclusion?
At some point thr prosecutor is going to have to come to a conclusion.  I would say it’s reasonable to wait until then and before more facts are known before slagging him off, personally.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 01:04:27 PM
It would be an error of judgement..........if true.

In a statement, Kate and Gerry McCann said: "Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media.

"The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE.

"Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.

"As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested.

"Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers.

"Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website.

"If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels."

Mr Wolters, who is leading the investigation into the main suspect in Madeleine's disappearance, told the PA news agency that a letter had been written to the couple but would not reveal what it said.

However, according to The Sun newspaper he said: "We have written to the McCanns to tell them Madeleine is dead and explaining we just -cannot say what the evidence is.

"We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-madeleine-mccanns-parents-say-22199918

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 01:04:27 PM
It would be an error of judgement..........if true.

Wolter said he sent the letter. The parents said they never received it.

What do you think are the untrue elements in that story ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 06, 2020, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 06, 2020, 01:02:21 PM
He did claim to have written to the McCanns, but they denied it. If he didn't warn them of what he was going to announce to the media that was an error of judgement at the least.
Maybe they didn't get the letter.
Or one of these two parties is lying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 06, 2020, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: The General on September 06, 2020, 01:13:53 PM
Maybe they didn't get the letter.
Or one of these two parties is lying.
Or maybe it took longer to arrive because of Lockdown.  The post has been shit recently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 01:35:49 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 01:13:13 PM
Wolter said he sent the letter. The parents said they never received it.

What do you think are the untrue elements in that story ?

Where did you obtain both pieces of the above information?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 06, 2020, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: Faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 01:13:13 PM
Wolter said he sent the letter. The parents said they never received it.

What do you think are the untrue elements in that story ?


But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has insisted two letters were indeed sent, albeit indirectly, to Scotland Yard, where police chiefs then failed to pass them on, according to The Sun.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 02:36:31 PM

But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has insisted two letters were indeed sent, albeit indirectly, to Scotland Yard, where police chiefs then failed to pass them on, according to The Sun.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8440359/Scotland-Yard-deny-theyve-failed-hand-letters-Madeleine-McCanns-parents.html

So someone is lying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:18:22 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 02:57:41 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8440359/Scotland-Yard-deny-theyve-failed-hand-letters-Madeleine-McCanns-parents.html

So someone is lying.

Or a paper has got it wrong?
Anyway, back to the latest suspect.
Do you agree with John that the present investigation is a sham.
If so........why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:21:25 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:18:22 PM
Or a paper has got it wrong?
Anyway, back to the latest suspect.
Do you agree with John that the present investigation is a sham.
If so........why?

What makes you think that the paper has got it wrong ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:21:25 PM
What makes you think that the paper has got it wrong ?

Because I read a newspaper account of the McCanns being visited by SY to let them know of the evidence being presented by the German Police.
I don't always think the papers get it right.
Maybe best to wait and see.
Do you agree with John that this German Investigation is a sham?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 06, 2020, 03:32:56 PM
What incriminating evidence has the incompetent clutching at straws Geezer got in connection to MM? Nothing that's what! Your Honour CB used his phone in an area where he lived. He lived in the same area where the crime took place, therefore, I conclude that he abducted MM. You cannot be serious. Take this idiot away!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 06, 2020, 03:33:31 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 02:57:41 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8440359/Scotland-Yard-deny-theyve-failed-hand-letters-Madeleine-McCanns-parents.html

So someone is lying.

Roll of drums.  Another conspiracy?    Lying or a mix up?  Oh you'd much prefer lying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:34:57 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 06, 2020, 03:32:56 PM
What incriminating evidence has the incompetent clutching at straws Geezer got in connection to MM? Nothing that's what! Your Honour CB used his phone in an area where he lived. He lived in the same area where the crime took place, therefore, I conclude that he abducted MM. You cannot be serious. Take this idiot away!

Oh dear!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 06, 2020, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 06, 2020, 03:32:56 PM
What incriminating evidence has the incompetent clutching at straws Geezer got in connection to MM? Nothing that's what! Your Honour CB used his phone in an area where he lived. He lived in the same area where the crime took place, therefore, I conclude that he abducted MM. You cannot be serious. Take this idiot away!

He confessed to mates in a pub.   It phone ping was outside the Ocean Club.  Leave it to the Police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:36:23 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:25:56 PM
Because I read a newspaper account of the McCanns being visited by SY to let them know of the evidence being presented by the German Police.
I don't always think the papers get it right.
Maybe best to wait and see.
Do you agree with John that this German Investigation is a sham?

Could you supply the account you read ? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:37:50 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 03:33:31 PM
Roll of drums.  Another conspiracy?    Lying or a mix up?  Oh you'd much prefer lying.

How can it be a mix up ? The letter was either as Wolter claimed or it wasn’t.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 06, 2020, 03:40:20 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:34:57 PM
Oh dear!

Present your incriminating evidence on CB in connection to MM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:36:23 PM
Could you supply the account you read ? Thanks in advance.

No I can't .
I'll have  a search and let you know.
I've never downloaded anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance .
However I did read this.
I realise you will think I'm either confused or lying or making this up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:37:50 PM
How can it be a mix up ? The letter was either as Wolter claimed or it wasn’t.

Lost in translation like the hard/concrete evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 06, 2020, 03:44:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 09:05:32 AM
All within the last 3 yrs or so,any from back in the area of 2007 /10? if not whats the point you are trying to make?

The point I am making is that there is apparently no record of Euclides Monteiro's death.

Feel free to conduct a search using the relevant timescale to check it out for yourself.  Let me know how you get on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:48:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 03:43:51 PM
Lost in translation like the hard/concrete evidence.


Do you believe that all he evidence known to the German police has been made public?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:49:49 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:42:43 PM
No I can't .
I'll have  a search and let you know.
I've never downloaded anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance .
However I did read this.
I realise you will think I'm either confused or lying or making this up.

Did I suggest that you were lying ? Why so prickly ? It would just be interesting to see how different media outlets covered this story differently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: Brietta on September 06, 2020, 03:44:12 PM
The point I am making is that there is apparently no record of Euclides Monteiro's death.

Feel free to conduct a search using the relevant timescale to check it out for yourself.  Let me know how you get on.

Researching the dead holds no interest, living is my interest,much more worthwhile.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:48:09 PM

Do you believe that all he evidence known to the German police has been made public?

It’s obvious that if they have the concrete evidence they claimed they would have charged him by now. What do they have to gain by delaying laying charges ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:53:41 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:51:49 PM
It’s obvious that if they have the concrete evidence they claimed they would have charged him by now. What do they have to gain by delaying laying charges ?


Why would they rush?
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 06, 2020, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:37:50 PM
How can it be a mix up ? The letter was either as Wolter claimed or it wasn’t.

I'm sure he did send a letter/s  but maybe the British Police didn't realise it had to be given to the McCann's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:59:22 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:53:41 PM

Why would they rush?

If they have the ‘concrete evidence’, enough to charge him and bring him to court the more pertinent question is why would they wait ? Surely it’s in everybody’s interests that the matter is brought to a conclusion ? I have never heard of any police force with solid evidence against a suspect not being desperate to charge him....have you ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 03:58:10 PM
I'm sure he did send a letter/s  but maybe the British Police didn't realise it had to be given to the McCann's.

http://www.findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

Updates
Operation Grange Statement: June 19, 2020
The Met received one letter from the BKA on 12 June, which was passed to the family. The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor.


Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th, 2020
Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media.  The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE.  Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.

As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested.  Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers.  Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website.  If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 03:58:10 PM
I'm sure he did send a letter/s  but maybe the British Police didn't realise it had to be given to the McCann's.

A dreadful task for them to do.
But perhaps it has now been done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 03:58:10 PM
I'm sure he did send a letter/s  but maybe the British Police didn't realise it had to be given to the McCann's.

Okaaaay ! Then maybe that explains why SY has taken 12 years to get absolutely nowhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:02:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 04:00:14 PM
http://www.findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

Updates
Operation Grange Statement: June 19, 2020
The Met received one letter from the BKA on 12 June, which was passed to the family. The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor.


Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th, 2020
Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media.  The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE.  Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.

As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested.  Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers.  Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website.  If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.

Curiouser and curiouser.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 06, 2020, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:59:22 PM
If they have the ‘concrete evidence’, enough to charge him and bring him to court the more pertinent question is why would they wait ? Surely it’s in everybody’s interests that the matter is brought to a conclusion ? I have never heard of any police force with solid evidence against a suspect not being desperate to charge him....have you ?
 

It could be that the evidence isn't enough,  such as the phone conversation,  they know it was CB's phone, but who was he talking to,  could someone else have had his phone etc. They could be questioning other witnesses to his confession in the pub,  maybe these witnesses are not wanting to be questioned who knows.  Plus they would have to go through everything they found in that cellar for any clues. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 04:03:05 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 03:53:41 PM

Why would they rush?

Wolters has clearly explained exactly why he is no rush to question the suspect....and he has also clearly said he has enough evidence to say his suspect killed MM. In  acountry with such strict privacy laws I cant see how he would say that unless he was sure
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 04:02:47 PM
 

It could be that the evidence isn't enough,  such as the phone conversation,  they know it was CB's phone, but who was he talking to,  could someone else have had his phone etc. They could be questioning other witnesses to his confession in the pub,  maybe these witnesses are not wanting to be questioned who knows.  Plus they would have to go through everything they found in that cellar for any clues.

But three months ago we were told they had ‘concrete evidence’ against Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 04:02:47 PM
 

It could be that the evidence isn't enough,  such as the phone conversation,  they know it was CB's phone, but who was he talking to,  could someone else have had his phone etc. They could be questioning other witnesses to his confession in the pub,  maybe these witnesses are not wanting to be questioned who knows.  Plus they would have to go through everything they found in that cellar for any clues.

Wolters was asked if any evidence was found in the cars...he replied no...when asked if any evidence was found on the memory sticks...he refused to answer.

Its alraedy been said he will not share the evidence with SY or the PJ at the moment
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 06, 2020, 04:06:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:01:47 PM
Okaaaay ! Then maybe that explains why SY has taken 12 years to get absolutely nowhere.

How have they got nowhere?   They have obviously been helping the German Police.   They wouldn't have been given money to continue if they didn't have something to investigate.  You are not there faithlilly you are just a member of the public just as I am,  there is a lot to detective work that we haven't got a clue about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 06, 2020, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
But three months ago we were told they had ‘concrete evidence’ against Brueckner.

They may have but it needs backing up. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 04:06:10 PM
How have they got nowhere?   They have obviously been helping the German Police.   They wouldn't have been given money to continue if they didn't have something to investigate.  You are not there faithlilly you are just a member of the public just as I am,  there is a lot to detective work that we haven't got a clue about.

The German police say that they have concrete evidence that Madeleine is dead. The parents wrote that SY are still treating the case as a missing persons enquiry. I’m afraid it’s not obvious that they are helping the Germans. In fact it sounds like two completely different investigations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 04:10:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:01:47 PM
Okaaaay ! Then maybe that explains why SY has taken 12 years to get absolutely nowhere.

They haven't found any evidence to charge Madeleine's parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 04:13:12 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
The German police say that they have concrete evidence that Madeleine is dead. The parents wrote that SY are still treating the case as a missing persons enquiry. I’m afraid it’s not obvious that they are helping the Germans. In fact it sounds like two completely different investigations.

As far as you are aware.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 04:07:21 PM
They may have but it needs backing up.

Concrete : clear and certain.

So not anything that needs backing up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:14:18 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 04:13:12 PM
As far as you are aware.

From the evidence as far as anyone is aware.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 06, 2020, 04:03:05 PM
Wolters has clearly explained exactly why he is no rush to question the suspect....and he has also clearly said he has enough evidence to say his suspect killed MM. In  acountry with such strict privacy laws I cant see how he would say that unless he was sure

The privacy rules are that strict the suspect is known.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 04:14:28 PM
The privacy rules are that strict the suspect is known.

Thats my point...it seems HCW has no fears of being found to be untruthful. If he doesnt have strong evidence then he is in serious trouble...he doesnt appear to be that foolish
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 04:21:19 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:14:18 PM
From the evidence as far as anyone is aware.

Perhaps the German police are more aware than anyone else.
So do you believe this whole German investigation is a sham, or an ego trip or what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 04:21:19 PM
Perhaps the German police are more aware than anyone else.
So do you believe this whole German investigation is a sham, or an ego trip or what?

those are the sort of things that have been said......stupid imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 04:21:19 PM
Perhaps the German police are more aware than anyone else.
So do you believe this whole German investigation is a sham, or an ego trip or what?

I think that they have produced so far nothing to back up their previous claims.
I think they were desperate not to have Brueckner released when he appealed his conviction and that  it may have throw some mud at the wall and see what sticks.
What I know for certain is that if their first claim of ‘concrete evidence’ of Madeleine’s death and Brueckner’s part in it is true he would be charged by now.
I think that the story will fizzle out like every other similar story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:39:36 PM
I think that they have produced so far nothing to back up their previous claims.
I think they were desperate not to have Brueckner released when he appealed his conviction and that  it may have throw some mud at the wall and see what sticks.
What I know for certain is that if their first claim of ‘concrete evidence’ of Madeleine’s death and Brueckner’s part in it is true he would be charged by now.
I think that the story will fizzle out like every other similar story.

So it's a sham.
Set up by the German police to keep CB in jail?
I'm amazed you  " know anything for certain" !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 05:04:41 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 04:53:23 PM
So it's a sham.
Set up by the German police to keep CB in jail?
I'm amazed you  " know anything for certain" !

Please don’t put words in my mouth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 05:07:38 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 05:04:41 PM
Please don’t put words in my mouth.
I was hoping for an answer.
So what is your opinion of the current German investigation.
You did say they were desperate to keep CB in jail....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 06, 2020, 05:17:19 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 03:50:32 PM
Researching the dead holds no interest, living is my interest,much more worthwhile.

Hmmm …  then I think you have a weird way of showing it.

Why didn't you attempt to join in with the ongoing discussion instead of attempting to shut it down with your attempt at point scoring negativity as I have noticed to be your wont when responding to my posts

Why didn’t you expand on the living part of the equation under discussion which quite obviously was Brueckner.

Seems you don’t bother to follow the flow of discussion taking place on a discussion forum to enable you to contribute positively.

Allow me to recap since you obviously missed it ~ but the point under discussion was whether or not Brueckner and the dead Euclides Monteiro might have known each other.

The basis for the interest being that there very probably remains information yet to be released about Brueckner's activities alleged or otherwise during his time in the Algarve.

It is a small world and in an even smaller Luz where quite often individuals who exhibit similar peculiarities whether alive or now dead congregated.

The two aforementioned inhabited a particular strata and showed many similar traits for example ...As I originally stated in my post it had not been possible to locate any information in the public domain about Euclides Montiero's death.  And all you could take from that was criticism of the dates of the cites I used to show how unusual that is.

Oh well ... I think that probably shows exactly where your interest lies.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 06, 2020, 05:21:02 PM
Quote from: The General on September 06, 2020, 01:13:53 PM
Maybe they didn't get the letter.
Or one of these two parties is lying.
I thought the letter was sent to Operation Grange who did not share it with the McCanns until much later (?).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 06, 2020, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Brietta on September 06, 2020, 05:17:19 PM
Hmmm …  then I think you have a weird way of showing it.

Why didn't you attempt to join in with the ongoing discussion instead of attempting to shut it down with your attempt at point scoring negativity as I have noticed to be your wont when responding to my posts

Why didn’t you expand on the living part of the equation under discussion which quite obviously was Brueckner.

Seems you don’t bother to follow the flow of discussion taking place on a discussion forum to enable you to contribute positively.

Allow me to recap since you obviously missed it ~ but the point under discussion was whether or not Brueckner and the dead Euclides Monteiro might have known each other.

The basis for the interest being that there very probably remains information yet to be released about Brueckner's activities alleged or otherwise during his time in the Algarve.

It is a small world and in an even smaller Luz where quite often individuals who exhibit similar peculiarities whether alive or now dead congregated.

The two aforementioned inhabited a particular strata and showed many similar traits for example ...
  • both were active criminals known to the Portuguese police
  • press reports suggest Montiero had been investigated regarding home invasions where little girls were assaulted
  • Amaral tells us that the Judicial police attempted to speak to Brueckner after Madeleine's disappearance but he wasn't in
  • both Brueckner and Montiero were associated with drugs
  • both were burglars
  • both had a phone which activated antennae in Luz
As I originally stated in my post it had not been possible to locate any information in the public domain about Euclides Montiero's death.  And all you could take from that was criticism of the dates of the cites I used to show how unusual that is.

Oh well ... I think that probably shows exactly where your interest lies.

Once again you give the mistaken impression I care what you think.you'll catch on in the end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 06, 2020, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 03:59:22 PM
If they have the ‘concrete evidence’, enough to charge him and bring him to court the more pertinent question is why would they wait ? Surely it’s in everybody’s interests that the matter is brought to a conclusion ? I have never heard of any police force with solid evidence against a suspect not being desperate to charge him....have you ?
It is probable that the investigation into Brückner is more comprehensive than just Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 06, 2020, 05:26:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 06, 2020, 04:05:47 PM
Wolters was asked if any evidence was found in the cars...he replied no...when asked if any evidence was found on the memory sticks...he refused to answer.

Its alraedy been said he will not share the evidence with SY or the PJ at the moment

I understand why the Germans don't require to rush anything ... it has been stated often enough and Brueckner isn't going anywhere any time soon anyway.

I am content to leave everything to the investigators in what is very obviously turning into a huge case or cases not necessarily all of which centre on Madeleine.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 06, 2020, 05:33:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 04:14:28 PM
The privacy rules are that strict the suspect is known.

Thanks to Amaral and his Australian podcast.  All the press then had to do was use a modicum of common sense and a process of elimination.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 05:07:38 PM
I was hoping for an answer.
So what is your opinion of the current German investigation.
You did say they were desperate to keep CB in jail....

You have been given an answer.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 06, 2020, 05:26:32 PM
It is probable that the investigation into Brückner is more comprehensive than just Madeleine’s disappearance.

And how do you know that ? Ah yes, the tabloids.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 05:36:06 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 05:33:39 PM
You have been given an answer.

Lol
You do sound annoyed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 05:40:08 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 05:36:06 PM
Lol
You do sound annoyed.

An answer worthy of Stop the Myths where emoticons are king.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 05:42:34 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 05:40:08 PM
An answer worthy of Stop the Myths where emoticons are king.

What a very.strange response.
Can you explain what you mean by that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 06, 2020, 05:44:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 06, 2020, 05:24:12 PM
Once again you give the mistaken impression I care what you think.you'll catch on in the end.

No need at all for your aggressive unpleasantness instead please do me the courtesy of obeying the rules of the forum and even if my posts or any other member's posts are not to your liking do try to at least pretend a measure of respect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 05:42:34 PM
What a very.strange response.
Can you explain what you mean by that.

Can you explain why you don’t understand my response ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 06, 2020, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 05:34:30 PM
And how do you know that ? Ah yes, the tabloids.
No, common sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: faithlilly linused sef=topic=11585.msg617248#msg617248 date=1599410857
Can you explain why you don’t understand my response ?

Possibly because I very rarely use emoticons.
Can you explain why you made your post which has no relevance to mine where I did say you seemed annoyed.
Back to the topic.
I haven't obviously understood your reply that you have given your answer intimidating your explanation of why you believe the German investigation is faulty.....sham was the word John used
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 06:03:00 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 05:56:14 PM
Possibly because I very rarely use emoticons.
Can you explain why you made your post which has no relevance to mine where I did say you seemed annoyed.
Back to the topic.
I haven't obviously understood your reply that you have given your answer intimidating your explanation of why you believe the German investigation is faulty.....sham was the word John used

I’d fallen asleep by the end of the first sentence. Apologies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 06, 2020, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 05:56:14 PM
Possibly because I very rarely use emoticons.
Can you explain why you made your post which has no relevance to mine where I did say you seemed annoyed.
Back to the topic.
I haven't obviously understood your reply that you have given your answer intimidating your explanation of why you believe the German investigation is faulty.....sham was the word John used

Theres absolutely no reason for HCW to make up claims...made up claims are not going to keep CB in jail...its an absurd suggestion imo...he would be ruining his career and reputation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 06:08:28 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 06:03:00 PM
I’d fallen asleep by the end of the first sentence. Apologies.

That's fine.
I can appreciate you are finding difficulty in composing an answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 06, 2020, 06:08:05 PM
Theres absolutely no reason for HCW to make up claims...made up claims are not going to keep CB in jail...its an absurd suggestion imo...he would be ruining his career and reputation

Seems to be the belief of some sceptics.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 06, 2020, 06:08:28 PM
That's fine.
I can appreciate you are finding difficulty in composing an answer.

Not casting aspersions but I think it may be your comprehension that’s somewhat lacking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 06, 2020, 07:38:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
The German police say that they have concrete evidence that Madeleine is dead. The parents wrote that SY are still treating the case as a missing persons enquiry. I’m afraid it’s not obvious that they are helping the Germans. In fact it sounds like two completely different investigations.

No it doesn't,  not to me anyway.   IMO the German Police haven't shared the piece of evidence which to them comes to the conclusion that Madeleine may be dead,  they haven't shared that with anyone.  So OG would carry on a missing persons investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 06, 2020, 07:48:28 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 07:38:47 PM
No it doesn't,  not to me anyway.   IMO the German Police haven't shared the piece of evidence which to them comes to the conclusion that Madeleine may be dead,  they haven't shared that with anyone.  So OG would carry on a missing persons investigation.


Hardly the spirit of cooperation one might expect between police forces pursuing a common aim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 06, 2020, 07:38:47 PM
No it doesn't,  not to me anyway.   IMO the German Police haven't shared the piece of evidence which to them comes to the conclusion that Madeleine may be dead,  they haven't shared that with anyone.  So OG would carry on a missing persons investigation.

Wolter says he shared the evidence with the parents via SY so SY has to know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 07, 2020, 07:51:01 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 06, 2020, 05:33:08 PM
Thanks to Amaral and his Australian podcast.  All the press then had to do was use a modicum of common sense and a process of elimination.
That's so inaccurate it's making my dog sick.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 08:11:24 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 11:03:42 PM
Wolter says he shared the evidence with the parents via SY so SY has to know.

That is totally untrue
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 07, 2020, 08:32:48 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 06, 2020, 11:03:42 PM
Wolter says he shared the evidence with the parents via SY so SY has to know.

Cite where Wolter has said he has shared the evidence with the McCann's please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 10:16:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 06, 2020, 06:08:05 PM
Theres absolutely no reason for HCW to make up claims...made up claims are not going to keep CB in jail...its an absurd suggestion imo...he would be ruining his career and reputation

Or on the other hand, solved the crime of the century.

As already been suggested - he saw a chance to make a name for himself [which he already has]

It just seems to have backfired...that most vital person to come forward to link CB with abduction ..isn't there.

Possibly because maddie was never abducted in the first place. IMO

He knew he would get absolute maximum publicity with the Maddie case I believe now he regrets it.

Some do things on a whim...HCW did it on a ping.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 10:21:21 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 10:16:41 AM
Or on the other hand, solved the crime of the century.

As already been suggested - he saw a chance to make a name for himself [which he already has]

It just seems to have backfired...that most vital person to come forward to link CB with abduction ..isn't there.

Possibly because maddie was never abducted in the first place. IMO

He knew he would get absolute maximum publicity with the Maddie case I believe now he regrets it.

Some do things on a whim...HCW did it on a ping.

All mere opinion...he says he has strong evidence. You assume hes lying. We wont know until we hear the evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 07, 2020, 10:21:21 AM
All mere opinion...he says he has strong evidence. You assume hes lying. We wont know until we hear the evidence.




No, I didn't say he was lying ....more I believe he took a gamble ...that isn't going to pay off.

It's only your opinion that there is evidence or ..that he has got evidence D.

Knowing how you like to say you understand the evidence ...you have none to understand so all that you post is an opinion, not fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 10:42:56 AM



No, I didn't say he was lying ....more I believe he took a gamble ...that isn't going to pay off.

It's only your opinion that there is evidence or ..that he has got evidence D.

Knowing how you like to say you understand the evidence ...you have none to understand so all that you post is an opinion, not fact.

I posted.. He says he has strong evidence.. I'm posting a fact
If he hasn't then he's lying.. And will have destroyed his reputation... I don't see him doing that.

I said we need to wait and see... All your post is made up.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 11:08:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 07, 2020, 10:48:34 AM
I posted.. He says he has strong evidence.. I'm posting a fact
If he hasn't then he's lying.. And will have destroyed his reputation... I don't see him doing that.

I said we need to wait and see... All your post is made up.

It is not a fact that he has evidence ...it could just be the ping

How is my post made up as it seems now he took a gamble that doesn't seem to be paying off.

What he said which is only words were three months ago its the media that has kept it going.

Probably won't destroy his reputation ...but its a fact it would have boosted it if he was right.

What he did say quite a while ago was just over-egged by the media
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 11:14:51 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 11:08:38 AM
It is not a fact that he has evidence ...it could just be the ping

How is my post made up as it seems now he took a gamble that doesn't seem to be paying off.

What he said which is only words were three months ago its the media that has kept it going.

Probably won't destroy his reputation ...but its a fact it would have boosted it if he was right.

What he did say quite a while ago was just over-egged by the media

It's s fact he, said he has evidence.

Strong evidence... According  to him

You want to assume he hasn't and make up reasons to support what you say..

I say wait and see. The evidence he days he has he refuses to share... Fact.... So it can't be the phone ping because he's shared that... Another fact.

I think it could be to do with images on the memory sticks... Thats opinion.

I don't think he would make things up... He seems very professional  to me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 11:17:52 AM
There was, another child abduction in Portugal.. RUI Pedro.. Images of his abuse were found on the dark web..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 12:51:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 07, 2020, 11:17:52 AM
There was, another child abduction in Portugal.. RUI Pedro.. Images of his abuse were found on the dark web..

Is that more strong evidence. about CB

Or is it just off topic stuff.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 12:51:28 PM
Is that more strong evidence. about CB

Or is it just off topic stuff.

Its quite obvious what it is..if you dont understand thats your problem
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 07, 2020, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 10:16:41 AM
Or on the other hand, solved the crime of the century.

As already been suggested - he saw a chance to make a name for himself [which he already has]

It just seems to have backfired...that most vital person to come forward to link CB with abduction ..isn't there.

Possibly because maddie was never abducted in the first place. IMO

He knew he would get absolute maximum publicity with the Maddie case I believe now he regrets it.

Some do things on a whim...HCW did it on a ping.
If he now regrets it as you believe, why is he still talking to the media about his suspicions?  Surely by now he would have retired with egg on his face, or been sacked for incompetence.  Why haven't either of those things happened yet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 01:24:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 07, 2020, 01:18:40 PM
Its quite obvious what it is..if you dont understand thats your problem

not my problem at all just asked if it was anything to do with CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 01:31:01 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 01:24:50 PM
not my problem at all just asked if it was anything to do with CB

It's to do with the search for Maddie and as I've already said... When asked about evidence  from the cars he said there was none.. When asked if there were images of Maddie on the memory sticks he declined to answer.... So that COULD be the evidence... We have to wait and see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 02:07:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 07, 2020, 01:31:01 PM
It's to do with the search for Maddie and as I've already said... When asked about evidence  from the cars he said there was one.. When asked if there were images of Maddie on the memory sticks he declined to answer.... So that COULD be the evidence... We have to wait and see

Where is your cite for this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 02:07:39 PM
Where is your cite for this.

for what
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 07, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
for what

When asked about evidence  from the cars he said there was none.. When asked if there were images of Maddie on the memory sticks he declined to answer....


Sounds a bit selective.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 02:36:23 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 02:30:35 PM
When asked about evidence  from the cars he said there was none.. When asked if there were images of Maddie on the memory sticks he declined to answer....


Sounds a bit selective.


it was two different occasions...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q&feature=youtu.be    watch from 19.30....also from 8.30
perhaps you havent seen it. he could simply answer no to the question about the memory stick...he didnt.

yet when asked about dna in the cars on another interview he answerred a simple no
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 04:40:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 07, 2020, 02:36:23 PM

it was two different occasions...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q&feature=youtu.be    watch from 19.30....also from 8.30
perhaps you havent seen it. he could simply answer no to the question about the memory stick...he didnt.

yet when asked about dna in the cars on another interview he answerred a simple no

Bit unprofessional really to answer one question but not another.

When he clearly says he is not allowed to answer questions either way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 04:40:58 PM
Bit unprofessional really to answer one question but not another.

When he clearly says he is not allowed to answer questions either way.
Not unprofessional  at all... And he doesn't say he can't answer questions either way.
It was just that one question... In a way he answered it perhaps.. As. The interviewer said.  I've listened to him several times.. He comes over as very professional to me.  Perhaps it's because he supports abduction that you and others criticise him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 05:27:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 07, 2020, 04:49:55 PM
Not unprofessional  at all... And he doesn't say he can't answer questions either way.
It was just that one question... In a way he answered it perhaps.. As. The interviewer said.  I've listened to him several times.. He comes over as very professional to me.  Perhaps it's because he supports abduction that you and others criticise him

In a way he answered it perhaps

Not really why not just say I can't answer that. left at 50/50

He says I am not allowed to answer if there is pictures or no pictures.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 07, 2020, 05:27:36 PM
In a way he answered it perhaps

Not really why not just say I can't answer that. left at 50/50

He says I am not allowed to answer if there is pictures or no pictures.

I agree with the journalist who interviewed him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 07, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
Besides Monteiro, I trust authorities are also considering the three OC employees’ phone activity, as identified by Heri, on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance and a possible link to Brückner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2020, 08:41:56 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 07, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
Besides Monteiro, I trust authorities are also considering the three OC employees’ phone activity, as identified by Heri, on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance and a possible link to Brückner.

absolutely...they could be ruled back in...I think a lot of posters seriously underestimate Herr Wolters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 07, 2020, 08:57:49 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 07, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
Besides Monteiro, I trust authorities are also considering the three OC employees’ phone activity, as identified by Heri, on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance and a possible link to Brückner.

What makes you think that anything to do with those employees is still being considered?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 07, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 07, 2020, 08:57:49 PM
What makes you think that anything to do with those employees is still being considered?
Isn’t it fairly straight-forward? A German national is declared the main suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance. This happens within the authority of Brückner’s country of origin. The PJ named Monteiro as their suspect. British police considered the three burglars as identified by Heriberto. Collate these facts to arrive at a possible conclusion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 07, 2020, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 07, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
Isn’t it fairly straight-forward? A German national is declared the main suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance. This happens within the authority of Brückner’s country of origin. The PJ named Monteiro as their suspect. British police considered the three burglars as identified by Heriberto. Collate these facts to arrive at a possible conclusion.

Or put two and two together and get five ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 08, 2020, 06:09:37 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 07, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
Besides Monteiro, I trust authorities are also considering the three OC employees’ phone activity, as identified by Heri, on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance and a possible link to Brückner.
Send for Bilton of the beeb and his furry mike he's already been out and hounded those guys.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 08, 2020, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on September 07, 2020, 10:06:48 PM
He may be the biggest most vile creature, but it doesn't make him guilty of Maddies disappearance.  If the police require a confession to make it stick it means they have no proof he did anything to Maddie imo.

Totally agree  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 09, 2020, 10:36:27 AM
He has already confessed to his mate what he did,  others heard him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 09, 2020, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: Lace on September 09, 2020, 10:36:27 AM

He has already confessed to his mate what he did,  others heard him.

Who heard him ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 11:57:47 AM
Quote from: Lace on September 09, 2020, 10:36:27 AM

He has already confessed to his mate what he did,  others heard him.

Hearsay at its best - don't for get there was a £20.000 reward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 09, 2020, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 11:57:47 AM
Hearsay at its best - don't for get there was a £20.000 reward.

So CB's mate was right about the woman being raped on the video CB showed him,  but not about what he said about Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 09, 2020, 01:08:12 PM
So CB's mate was right about the woman being raped on the video CB showed him,  but not about what he said about Madeleine?

Fgs does that deem it to be true - the cases are not connected as I said.

Hearsay at its best - don't for get there was a £20.000 reward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 09, 2020, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
Fgs does that deem it to be true - the cases are not connected as I said.

Hearsay at its best - don't for get there was a £20.000 reward.

its not heasrsay
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 09, 2020, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
Fgs does that deem it to be true - the cases are not connected as I said.

Hearsay at its best - don't for get there was a £20.000 reward.
When was the reward announced and when did the friend spill the beans?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 01:52:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 09, 2020, 01:40:01 PM
its not heasrsay

What is it then..did this friend get a written confession sighnd and sealed off CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 09, 2020, 01:53:51 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 01:52:05 PM
What is it then..did this friend get a written confession sighnd and sealed off CB.

you need to look at what hearsay evidence is...its not hearsay
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 09, 2020, 02:12:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 11:57:47 AM
Hearsay at its best - don't for get there was a £20.000 reward.

£20,000 reward ?  From whom ?
Please could you show us that ?   A cite please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 02:13:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 09, 2020, 01:53:51 PM
you need to look at what hearsay evidence is...its not hearsay

Oh right - could it be similar then to the confessing letter to abducting Maddie - that the son burnt.

 
Raymond Hewlett. was a prime suspect also fit the bill was in or around PDL, admitted taking Maddie.

People convinced it was him yet again fizzled out to nothing.

Very similar to this with CB the latest suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: sadie on September 09, 2020, 02:12:37 PM
£20,000 reward ?  From whom ?
Please could you show us that ?   A cite please.

Ok, will do Sadie


By Martin Brunt, crime correspondent, and Ian Collier, news reporter

Thursday 4 June 2020 10:25, UK


Madeleine McCann: Jailed German paedophile at centre of new police inquiry



Scotland Yard is launching a joint appeal with the BKA and the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria (PJ), including a £20,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of the person responsible of Madeleine's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 09, 2020, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
Fgs does that deem it to be true - the cases are not connected as I said.

Hearsay at its best - don't for get there was a £20.000 reward.


The rape was true.   The reward came after his mate had tipped off the Police.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 09, 2020, 02:26:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 02:21:44 PM
Ok, will do Sadie


By Martin Brunt, crime correspondent, and Ian Collier, news reporter

Thursday 4 June 2020 10:25, UK


Madeleine McCann: Jailed German paedophile at centre of new police inquiry



Scotland Yard is launching a joint appeal with the BKA and the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria (PJ), including a £20,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of the person responsible of Madeleine's disappearance.

Made after the mate tipped off the Police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 02:28:14 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 09, 2020, 02:24:00 PM

The rape was true.   The reward came after his mate had tipped off the Police.

Is this the mate who could still be in prison now. IIRC.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 09, 2020, 02:35:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 02:13:56 PM
Oh right - could it be similar then to the confessing letter to abducting Maddie - that the son burnt.

 
Raymond Hewlett. was a prime suspect also fit the bill was in or around PDL, admitted taking Maddie.

People convinced it was him yet again fizzled out to nothing.

Very similar to this with CB the latest suspect.

Did the police say they had enough evidence to show
Hewlett killed MM... No.. that's the big difference
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 09, 2020, 02:35:04 PM
Did the police say they had enough evidence to show
Hewlett killed MM... No.. that's the big difference

No, the big difference is you have someone here like HCW could possibly see a way of really making a name for himself.

He is not consistent with his findings ...surly you can see that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 09, 2020, 03:19:25 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 03:13:26 PM
No, the big difference is you have someone here like HCW could possibly see a way of really making a name for himself.

He is not consistent with his findings ...surly you can see that.

I think you are imagining things
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 09, 2020, 03:25:46 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 02:28:14 PM
Is this the mate who could still be in prison now. IIRC.


According to the publication the friend went to the police with the information, prompting a three year investigation into Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 03:39:55 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 09, 2020, 03:25:46 PM

According to the publication the friend went to the police with the information, prompting a three year investigation into Brueckner.

This seems to be the man you are prepared to believe...


NewsWorldEurope
Madeleine McCann: Suspect's lawyer says main witness against him is unreliable


The lawyer for the suspect in the Madeleine McCann case has claimed that the main witness against him is a criminal who swapped information for an early release from jail.




Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 09, 2020, 04:15:58 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 03:13:26 PM
No, the big difference is you have someone here like HCW could possibly see a way of really making a name for himself.

He is not consistent with his findings ...surly you can see that.
How can he be making a name for himself and be making a laughing stock of himself at the same time?  Quite an achievement that!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 09, 2020, 04:17:02 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 03:39:55 PM
This seems to be the man you are prepared to believe...also in prison for rape.


NewsWorldEurope
Madeleine McCann: Suspect's lawyer says main witness against him is unreliable


The lawyer for the suspect in the Madeleine McCann case has claimed that the main witness against him is a criminal who swapped information for an early release from jail.

Cite for in prison for rape.. CBs lawyer isn't exactly impartial.  We will know soon enough
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 09, 2020, 04:15:58 PM
How can he be making a name for himself and be making a laughing stock of himself at the same time?  Quite an achievement that!

Could be he gambled his career.

"If this is the person I think it is, it's the worst witness you can get. A man who has spent his whole life cheating people for his own benefit is never a reliable witness," Mr Fulscher said in an interview with Sky News.

“If you pee in the same place long enough it will stink. And that's definitely what's happening in the Christian B case. He won't be able to lead a normal life at any point, without being recognised and facing hostility.

Mr Fulscher said that even if the case against Brueckner were dropped it would be too late to restore his reputation.


“A prosecutor who goes public knows that. He can destroy a reputation and it was taken very lightly in this case.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 09, 2020, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 09, 2020, 03:25:46 PM

According to the publication the friend went to the police with the information, prompting a three year investigation into Brueckner.
There were also other people who overheard Brückner talking to his friend. IN MY OPINION.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 09, 2020, 04:40:03 PM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/09/09/wanted-and-dangerous-paedophile-found-hiding-among-expat-community-on-spains-costa-del-sol-in-eerie-similarities-to-maddie-prime-suspect-christian-brueckner
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 09, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 09, 2020, 04:36:24 PM
There were also other people who overheard Brückner talking to his friend.

Please remember to give cites when claiming something is a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 09, 2020, 04:17:02 PM
Cite for in prison for rape.. CBs lawyer isn't exactly impartial.  We will know soon enough

Possibly miss understood this. [only a short caption ] will remove.




Madeleine McCann suspect's lawyer says main witness is ...www.independent.co.uk › World › Europe
14 Aug 2020 - Madeleine McCann: Suspect's lawyer says main witness against him is ... He is currently serving separate sentences in a German jail for rape ..


Doesn't alter the fact though. he swapped information for early release.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 09, 2020, 04:49:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 04:44:09 PM
Possibly miss understood this. [only a short caption ] will remove.




Madeleine McCann suspect's lawyer says main witness is ...www.independent.co.uk › World › Europe
14 Aug 2020 - Madeleine McCann: Suspect's lawyer says main witness against him is ... He is currently serving separate sentences in a German jail for rape ..


Doesn't alter the fact though. he swapped information for early release.

cite for swapped information for early release...you are stating it as a fact. I havent seen it is...so cite that he  was released early in exhange for information
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 09, 2020, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 04:34:02 PM
Could be he gambled his career.

"If this is the person I think it is, it's the worst witness you can get. A man who has spent his whole life cheating people for his own benefit is never a reliable witness," Mr Fulscher said in an interview with Sky News.

“If you pee in the same place long enough it will stink. And that's definitely what's happening in the Christian B case. He won't be able to lead a normal life at any point, without being recognised and facing hostility.

Mr Fulscher said that even if the case against Brueckner were dropped it would be too late to restore his reputation.


“A prosecutor who goes public knows that. He can destroy a reputation and it was taken very lightly in this case.”

more opinion from  a lawyer who is bound to be biased towards his client
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 05:13:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 09, 2020, 04:49:04 PM
cite for swapped information for early release...you are stating it as a fact. I havent seen it is...so cite that he  was released early in exhange for information

Calm down D and stop demanding things.  FF is no different to HCW they are bothin the same game.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8624403/Lawyer-McCann-suspect-Brueckner-says-does-not-believe-German-charged.html

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Lawyer for Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner says he does not believe the German will ever be charged in the case and claims the main witness against him is a criminal who gave information in return for police favours
Friedrich Fulscher said the main witness in the case did so to receive help
The lawyer described him as the 'worst witness you can get' in an interview
In 2017, Brueckner is said to have confessed his guilt to the witness in a bar
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 09, 2020, 05:25:32 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 05:13:52 PM
Calm down D and stop demanding things.  FF is no different to HCW they are bothin the same game.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8624403/Lawyer-McCann-suspect-Brueckner-says-does-not-believe-German-charged.html

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Lawyer for Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner says he does not believe the German will ever be charged in the case and claims the main witness against him is a criminal who gave information in return for police favours
Friedrich Fulscher said the main witness in the case did so to receive help
The lawyer described him as the 'worst witness you can get' in an interview
In 2017, Brueckner is said to have confessed his guilt to the witness in a bar


claims have to be supported by cites.......so the ony claim is one by CBs lawyer.....hes also said CB is not guilty of the rape...perhaps you beleive that too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 09, 2020, 05:33:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 09, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Please remember to give cites when claiming something is a fact.
That’s rich coming from you!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 09, 2020, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 04:44:09 PM
Possibly miss understood this. [only a short caption ] will remove.




Madeleine McCann suspect's lawyer says main witness is ...www.independent.co.uk › World › Europe
14 Aug 2020 - Madeleine McCann: Suspect's lawyer says main witness against him is ... He is currently serving separate sentences in a German jail for rape ..


Doesn't alter the fact though. he swapped information for early release.

CB is in prison for rape not his mate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 06:41:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 09, 2020, 05:25:32 PM

claims have to be supported by cites.......so the ony claim is one by CBs lawyer.....hes also said CB is not guilty of the rape...perhaps you beleive that too
.hes also said CB is not guilty of the rape...

Have you got a cite for that......has he actually said that in an interview?



You only have HCW claims. not evidence.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 09, 2020, 06:37:14 PM
CB is in prison for rape not his mate.

Wonder what his mate was in for....and if his sentence was reduced -  ex-con anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 09, 2020, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 06:41:10 PM
.hes also said CB is not guilty of the rape...

Have you got a cite for that......has he actually said that in an interview?



You only have HCW claims. not evidence.


I have a cite... newspaper article....you beleive evry word CBs lawyer says
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 06:59:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 09, 2020, 06:52:18 PM

I have a cite... newspaper article....you beleive evry word CBs lawyer says

Not at all, he said what I quoted in an interview.

Now you are back tracking....claiming as fact a newspaper article. LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 09, 2020, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 06:59:33 PM
Not at all, he said what I quoted in an interview.

Now you are back tracking....claiming as fact a newspaper article. LOL
Where dd you get yout info?  Wasn’t a newspaper by any chance was it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 09, 2020, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 04:34:02 PM
Could be he gambled his career.

"If this is the person I think it is, it's the worst witness you can get. A man who has spent his whole life cheating people for his own benefit is never a reliable witness," Mr Fulscher said in an interview with Sky News.

“If you pee in the same place long enough it will stink. And that's definitely what's happening in the Christian B case. He won't be able to lead a normal life at any point, without being recognised and facing hostility.

Mr Fulscher said that even if the case against Brueckner were dropped it would be too late to restore his reputation.


“A prosecutor who goes public knows that. He can destroy a reputation and it was taken very lightly in this case.”
Haha, your cite is a newspaper, haha, you don’t believe a newspaper do you?  Haha.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 07:10:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 09, 2020, 07:03:31 PM
Haha, your cite is a newspaper, haha, you don’t believe a newspaper do you?  Haha.

 @)(++(*

Look again it was quoted from the interview.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 09, 2020, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 07:10:55 PM
@)(++(*

Look again it was quoted from the interview.

but you havent seen the interview ......you beleive the paper. In the paper it says he said the informant "may" have received favours...not that he did
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 09, 2020, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 07:10:55 PM
@)(++(*

Look again it was quoted from the interview.
Printed in a paper, hahahahaha
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 09, 2020, 07:56:46 PM
Most cites originate from one newspaper or another.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 09, 2020, 08:02:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on September 09, 2020, 07:56:46 PM
Most cites originate from one newspaper or another.
Who knew.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 09, 2020, 07:22:25 PM
Printed in a paper, hahahahaha

Childish... and you're a mcc supporter....

Printed yes from this not claimed, Its what he actually said


https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bs-lawyer-says-main-witness-against-him-is-not-reliable-12048504



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 09, 2020, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 10:24:00 PM
Childish... and you're a mcc supporter....

Printed yes from this not claimed, Its what he actually said


https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bs-lawyer-says-main-witness-against-him-is-not-reliable-12048504
You’re right it is childish to ridicule cites just because they’re printed in a paper.  That’s what you did remember?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 09, 2020, 10:45:51 PM
The latest newspaper articl for all you sceptics to sneer at

Madeleine McCann suspect's Brit ex grilled by police in 'gruelling' 12 hour ordeal
EXCLUSIVE: Officers investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance say the 45-year-old woman would be a 'crucial witness' if Christian Brueckner goes to trial

Martin Fricker

Christian Brueckner is suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann in 2007 (Image: ITALIAN CARABINIERI PRESS OFFICE)
The British ex-girlfriend of ­Christian Brueckner has been interviewed by German police investigating­ Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

And the 45-year-old was told she would be a crucial witness if they get the suspect to trial.

Detectives flew to the Algarve where the barmaid lives and questioned her over her relationship with the ­paedophile, who they believe abducted and murdered the toddler in May 2007.

She is still too scared of her ex to reveal her identity as he allegedly terrorised her while they were a couple and she lives in fear he will one day be released.

But in a major escalation of their investigation the officers reassured her that Brueckner will be behind bars for a lengthy period.

A friend of his ex told the Mirror: “They told her not to worry about him being released.


Madeleine McCann disappeared without trace from her parents holiday apartment in Portugal 13 years ago (Image: ITV)
“They said he’s going to be inside for a very, very long time. She sat down with them for 12 hours. It was gruelling and upsetting for her. She was really upset but they reassured her, saying she was an important character witness.

“They had wanted her to go to Germany and meet them and said they would pay for flights and a hotel.

“But she didn’t want to leave, so two detectives flew to Portugal to meet her instead.

“They wanted to know everything she knew about Christian and all about everything he did to her. They said every little detail about him was useful to help analyse behaviour patterns.”


The house near Praia Da Luz, where Christian Brueckner is understood to have lived in at the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance (Image: Roland Leon Daily Mirror)
Last month’s interview with the barmaid was the first time German police have been allowed to work on the case in Portugal. Three Portuguese officers and two translators also sat in on the interview in Faro. Portuguese police have previously interviewed her.

And former colleagues at the Lagos bar where she worked with Brueckner have also been interviewed by police. Prosecutors in Germany are desperate to build a case against Brueckner, 43.

They claim to have proof Madeleine is dead but do not have enough evidence to charge their suspect at the moment.

The Mirror revealed in June how he is alleged to have repeatedly tormented his ex, who is originally from Berkshire, when they dated in 2004 and 2005. He allegedly broke into her flat through a window and lay in wait for her under her bed.


Kate and Gerry McCann pose with a computer generated image of how their missing daughter Madeleine might look now (Image: REUTERS)
The alleged incident took place hours after he brutally attacked her in a jealous rage because she innocently hugged another man.

Brueckner allegedly repeatedly slammed her head against a wall in the ladies toilets of the Algarve bar where she worked - leaving her a bloodied mess.

When she returned home she had a “horrible feeling” someone was inside and found him hiding. She believes he was lying in wait to attack her if she brought another man back. Instead the rapist, then aged in his late 20s, stared at her and said “goodbye” before fleeing.

Madeleine was three when she vanished from her family holiday ­apartment in Praia da Luz while parents Kate and Gerry dined out with friends in a nearby tapas bar.

New Madeleine McCann prime suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 10, 2020, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 09, 2020, 10:45:51 PM
The latest newspaper articl for all you sceptics to sneer at

Madeleine McCann suspect's Brit ex grilled by police in 'gruelling' 12 hour ordeal
EXCLUSIVE: Officers investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance say the 45-year-old woman would be a 'crucial witness' if Christian Brueckner goes to trial

Martin Fricker

Christian Brueckner is suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann in 2007 (Image: ITALIAN CARABINIERI PRESS OFFICE)
The British ex-girlfriend of ­Christian Brueckner has been interviewed by German police investigating­ Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

And the 45-year-old was told she would be a crucial witness if they get the suspect to trial.

Detectives flew to the Algarve where the barmaid lives and questioned her over her relationship with the ­paedophile, who they believe abducted and murdered the toddler in May 2007.

She is still too scared of her ex to reveal her identity as he allegedly terrorised her while they were a couple and she lives in fear he will one day be released.

But in a major escalation of their investigation the officers reassured her that Brueckner will be behind bars for a lengthy period.

A friend of his ex told the Mirror: “They told her not to worry about him being released.


Madeleine McCann disappeared without trace from her parents holiday apartment in Portugal 13 years ago (Image: ITV)
“They said he’s going to be inside for a very, very long time. She sat down with them for 12 hours. It was gruelling and upsetting for her. She was really upset but they reassured her, saying she was an important character witness.

“They had wanted her to go to Germany and meet them and said they would pay for flights and a hotel.

“But she didn’t want to leave, so two detectives flew to Portugal to meet her instead.

“They wanted to know everything she knew about Christian and all about everything he did to her. They said every little detail about him was useful to help analyse behaviour patterns.”


The house near Praia Da Luz, where Christian Brueckner is understood to have lived in at the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance (Image: Roland Leon Daily Mirror)
Last month’s interview with the barmaid was the first time German police have been allowed to work on the case in Portugal. Three Portuguese officers and two translators also sat in on the interview in Faro. Portuguese police have previously interviewed her.

And former colleagues at the Lagos bar where she worked with Brueckner have also been interviewed by police. Prosecutors in Germany are desperate to build a case against Brueckner, 43.

They claim to have proof Madeleine is dead but do not have enough evidence to charge their suspect at the moment.

The Mirror revealed in June how he is alleged to have repeatedly tormented his ex, who is originally from Berkshire, when they dated in 2004 and 2005. He allegedly broke into her flat through a window and lay in wait for her under her bed.


Kate and Gerry McCann pose with a computer generated image of how their missing daughter Madeleine might look now (Image: REUTERS)
The alleged incident took place hours after he brutally attacked her in a jealous rage because she innocently hugged another man.

Brueckner allegedly repeatedly slammed her head against a wall in the ladies toilets of the Algarve bar where she worked - leaving her a bloodied mess.

When she returned home she had a “horrible feeling” someone was inside and found him hiding. She believes he was lying in wait to attack her if she brought another man back. Instead the rapist, then aged in his late 20s, stared at her and said “goodbye” before fleeing.

Madeleine was three when she vanished from her family holiday ­apartment in Praia da Luz while parents Kate and Gerry dined out with friends in a nearby tapas bar.

New Madeleine McCann prime suspect

Desperate to build a case....not they have a case or evidence.


And former colleagues at the Lagos bar where she worked with Brueckner have also been interviewed by police. Prosecutors in Germany are desperate to build a case against Brueckner, 43.

They claim to have proof Madeleine is dead but do not have enough evidence to charge their suspect at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 10, 2020, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 06:41:10 PM
.hes also said CB is not guilty of the rape...

Have you got a cite for that......has he actually said that in an interview?



You only have HCW claims. not evidence.

DNA proved he was guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 10, 2020, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 09, 2020, 06:43:34 PM
Wonder what his mate was in for....and if his sentence was reduced -  ex-con anyway.

Have you got a cite saying his sentence was reduced?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 10, 2020, 09:31:24 AM
"If this is the person I think it is, it's the worst witness you can get. A man who has spent his whole life cheating people for his own benefit is never a reliable witness," Mr Fulscher said in an interview with Sky News.

CB is a child abuser,  rapist and thief,  yet his Lawyer says he is a very friendly man,  what an idiot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 10, 2020, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: Lace on September 10, 2020, 09:25:34 AM
DNA proved he was guilty.

Excuse me L but I think you have interfered - and got the wrong end of the stick.

I me don't doubt that he is guilty - it was D that said CB lawyer said that he wasn't. I asked for the cite.

Post from D

claims have to be supported by cites.......so the ony claim is one by CBs lawyer.....hes also said CB is not guilty of the rape...perhaps you beleive that too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 10, 2020, 09:39:03 AM
Quote from: Lace on September 10, 2020, 09:28:33 AM
Have you got a cite saying his sentence was reduced?

Can you please take time to read my posts properly...did I say it had been reduced.

Or are you on some sort of mission it seems?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 10, 2020, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 09, 2020, 07:15:23 PM
but you havent seen the interview ......you beleive the paper. In the paper it says he said the informant "may" have received favours...not that he did

Wrong again, I had seen the Interview. and as it as been said HCW is desperate to build a case against CB

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bs-lawyer-says-main-witness-against-him-is-not-reliable-12048504

Why you can trust Sky News
The lawyer for the suspect in the Madeleine McCann case believes the main witness against him is a criminal who swapped information for police favours.




Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 10, 2020, 11:05:31 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 10, 2020, 09:39:03 AM
Can you please take time to read my posts properly...did I say it had been reduced.

Or are you on some sort of mission it seems?

I do apologise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 10, 2020, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 10, 2020, 09:46:49 AM
Wrong again, I had seen the Interview. and as it as been said HCW is desperate to build a case against CB

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bs-lawyer-says-main-witness-against-him-is-not-reliable-12048504

Why you can trust Sky News
The lawyer for the suspect in the Madeleine McCann case believes the main witness against him is a criminal who swapped information for police favours.


You need to read my posts properly...in the article it says the informant may have received favours according to the lawyer...not that he did.

you may have seen the interview but that does not mean you are reportinhg what was said accurately

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 10, 2020, 11:56:18 AM
posters should realise HCW is a man who tries to put perverts and paedophiles in jail and the lawyer is  a man who tries to keep them out.....even if he thinks they are guilty
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 12:08:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 10, 2020, 11:56:18 AM
posters should realise HCW is a man who tries to put perverts and paedophiles in jail and the lawyer is  aman who tries to keep them out

It's called the rule of law. Whatever a person's past crimes may be they can only be put in jail after a fair trial, part of which involves being entitled to a lawyer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 10, 2020, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 10, 2020, 11:56:18 AM
posters should realise HCW is a man who tries to put perverts and paedophiles in jail and the lawyer is  aman who tries to keep them out

 CB only has one lawyer...seems the mccs had 11

You didnt have a problem with the mccs lawyer - but you do with CBs...double standards or what.

That's the way it goes in all cases across the board. They are all in the same game.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 10, 2020, 12:12:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 12:08:41 PM
It's called the rule of law. Whatever a person's past crimes may be they can only be put in jail after a fair trial, part of which involves being entitled to a lawyer.

I dont need you to explain such a simple basic point...it seems you need me to expalin mine
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 10, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 10, 2020, 12:09:20 PM
CB only has one lawyer...seems the mccs had 11

You didnt have a problem with the mccs lawyer - but you do with CBs...double standards or what.

That's the way it goes in all cases across the board. They are all in the same game.

My point is true and should be borne in mind when we listen to what the lawyer says
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 12:47:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 10, 2020, 12:12:07 PM
I dont need you to explain such a simple basic point...it seems you need me to expalin mine

Your point is quite clear. Prosecutors are the good guys and defence lawyers are the bad guys in your opinion. (you may be less convinced about José de Magalhães e Menezes, mind you)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 10, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 10, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
My point is true and should be borne in mind when we listen to what the lawyer says

Your point is worthless -

You say a lawyer keeps people out of jail -  does that go for the mccs then as well as CB

the lawyer has as much right as the prosecutor. when HCW is doing his work all in the public eye.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 10, 2020, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 12:47:46 PM
Your point is quite clear. Prosecutors are the good guys and defence lawyers are the bad guys in your opinion. (you may be less convinced about José de Magalhães e Menezes, mind you)

You miss my point... But as you posted to VS... It's not my job to educate you or kizzy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 02:14:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 10, 2020, 01:51:06 PM
You miss my point... But as you posted to VS... It's not my job to educate you or kizzy

You flatter yourself imo. VS asked me to answer factual questions, I didn't ask you to answer anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 10, 2020, 02:14:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 10, 2020, 01:51:06 PM
You miss my point... But as you posted to VS... It's not my job to educate you or kizzy

What is your job then seeing you call it one?

I don't know what you think your job is but at the end of the day your just a poster on a forum.

 who seems to think you know more than anyone else......you dont.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 10, 2020, 05:45:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 02:14:15 PM
You flatter yourself imo. VS asked me to answer factual questions, I didn't ask you to answer anything.
How very bad of me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 10, 2020, 05:45:00 PM
How very bad of me.

Not bad. Perhaps just reluctant to find answers by your own efforts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 10, 2020, 08:05:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 07:54:50 PM
Not bad. Perhaps just reluctant to find answers by your own efforts.

With respect.. Both you and Anne Gueddes have misunderstood the whole issue... It's good you didn't attempt to educate and therefore mislead VS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 10, 2020, 08:05:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 07:54:50 PM
Not bad. Perhaps just reluctant to find answers by your own efforts.
I thought it reasonable to use my own efforts by asking you first.  I didn’t realise until recently how very unobliging you can be! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 10, 2020, 08:07:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 10, 2020, 08:05:29 PM
As you know everything I thought it reasonable to use my own efforts by asking you first.  I didn’t realise until recently how very unobliging you can be!
And how unreliable as regards the true facts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 09:36:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 10, 2020, 08:05:29 PM
I thought it reasonable to use my own efforts by asking you first.  I didn’t realise until recently how very unobliging you can be!

I suggest you remember in future that I don't research subjects in order to save you the trouble of doing so!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 10, 2020, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 09:36:30 PM
I suggest you remember in future that I don't research subjects in order to save you the trouble of doing so!
Did I ask you to reasearch anything?  No.  I thought you might already know the answer.  FGS, talk about touchy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 09:41:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 10, 2020, 08:07:16 PM
And how unreliable as regards the true facts

In your (mistaken imo) opinion.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 10, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 10, 2020, 09:41:51 PM
In your (mistaken imo) opinion.

Just sums up the current state of affairs. IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 11, 2020, 06:05:38 AM
Quote from: Erngath on September 10, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
Just sums up the current state of affairs. IMO.
Regarding the suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 11, 2020, 06:11:58 AM
Last throw of the dice,he's nothing to help the German police so he'll let on to the Lead investigators the brit press.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8720485/Witness-helped-launch-Madeleine-McCann-investigation-says-Christian-Brueckner-guilty.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 11, 2020, 07:56:49 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 11, 2020, 06:11:58 AM
Last throw of the dice,he's nothing to help the German police so he'll let on to the Lead investigators the brit press.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8720485/Witness-helped-launch-Madeleine-McCann-investigation-says-Christian-Brueckner-guilty.html

The germans and it seems CBs lawyer were in portugal recently. the papers report CBs lawyer is looking foir witnesses to support his clients innocence. what this shows is the investigation is very much alive
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 11, 2020, 10:44:52 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-have-they-got-the-right-man-this-time-12068118

Lots here to chew over.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 11, 2020, 10:51:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 11, 2020, 07:56:49 AM
The germans and it seems CBs lawyer were in portugal recently. the papers report CBs lawyer is looking foir witnesses to support his clients innocence. what this shows is the investigation is very much alive

But also seems dead in the water no further on than over three months ago seems CBH gamble to gather evidence didn't pay off.

At his office near the reconstructed medieval town centre, Mr Wolters said: "We have found nothing in the past three months to make us think we've got the wrong suspect, but the evidence we have now is the same we had when we made our first appeal on 3 June.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 11, 2020, 11:35:29 AM
The fact that an investigation is still active does not demonstrate that it is progressing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 11, 2020, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 11, 2020, 10:44:52 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-have-they-got-the-right-man-this-time-12068118

Lots here to chew over.

Mr Wolters said: "There is no forensic evidence, but it is not necessary to have forensics to charge our suspect. We just need more evidence, but I can't say what it is we are looking for though there are different possibilities. Maybe a witness, a photo or a video."

He added: "Someone asked me if we had found Madeleine's clothes. If we had found something like that it would be great for our investigation, but it's not true."

Thanks. He can charge him in his dreams! He has nothing because his suspect was not involved in MM's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 11, 2020, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 11, 2020, 12:11:44 PM
Mr Wolters said: "There is no forensic evidence, but it is not necessary to have forensics to charge our suspect. We just need more evidence, but I can't say what it is we are looking for though there are different possibilities. Maybe a witness, a photo or a video."

He added: "Someone asked me if we had found Madeleine's clothes. If we had found something like that it would be great for our investigation, but it's not true."

Thanks. He can charge him in his dreams! He has nothing because his suspect was not involved in MM's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 11, 2020, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 11, 2020, 10:51:42 AM
But also seems dead in the water no further on than over three months ago seems CBH gamble to gather evidence didn't pay off.

At his office near the reconstructed medieval town centre, Mr Wolters said: "We have found nothing in the past three months to make us think we've got the wrong suspect, but the evidence we have now is the same we had when we made our first appeal on 3 June.
Jesus. So 3 months on, various appeals, contents of allotments sifted through, 100's of apparently 'new' bits of information, several interviews with 'key' witnesses and......nothing.
I would suggest, Herr Wolters, that the very fact that 'the evidence you have now is the same you had when you made your first appeal on 3 June' is 'something in the past three months to make us think you've got the wrong suspect'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 11, 2020, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:13:07 PM
I believe MM to be dead, sadly. I just can’t see the two dogs making so many false alerts. This latest development, in my opinion, could piece together how a body could then have been concealed (possibly in a freezer) and the Smith family sighting could, in my opinion, have been them witnessing someone moving a child’s body from 5A to someone nearby with a vehicle.
I don't think any of the alerts relate to Maddie
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 11, 2020, 01:20:49 PM
Gilroy was found guilty on only circumstantiel evidence.... Mainly he had no explanation for his whereabouts during several time periods.  No one here supported his innocence.  If zCB can't account for his movements or wherabouts on the day and day after... That could be important
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 11, 2020, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 11, 2020, 12:11:44 PM
Mr Wolters said: "There is no forensic evidence, but it is not necessary to have forensics to charge our suspect. We just need more evidence, but I can't say what it is we are looking for though there are different possibilities. Maybe a witness, a photo or a video."

He added: "Someone asked me if we had found Madeleine's clothes. If we had found something like that it would be great for our investigation, but it's not true."

Thanks. He can charge him in his dreams! He has nothing because his suspect was not involved in MM's disappearance.

You know this do you?  How?

Don't you thiCk it is a bit of a coincidence that the mates say CB told them details of how he abducted Madeleine.  He happened to live not far from the Ocean Club,  his phone pinged outside the Ocean Club on the night of the 3rd of May,  he resembles a photofit,  he got angry if someone spoke about Madeleine McCann,  he has convictions for child abuse,  he is known to have another friend with blonde hair,  two men were seen outside an empty apartment both with blonde hair?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 11, 2020, 01:22:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 11, 2020, 01:17:18 PM
I don't think any of the alerts relate to Maddie
Sifting through posts from June 3rd looking for ammo to fill your sceptic gun?
Looks like you've been digging up allotments in vain too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 11, 2020, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 11, 2020, 01:20:49 PM
Gilroy was found guilty on only circumstantiel evidence.... Mainly he had no explanation for his whereabouts during several time periods.  No one here supported his innocence.  If zCB can't account for his movements or wherabouts on the day and day after... That could be important
You and I know that the circumstantial evidence was overwhelming, even dog alerts aside.
Phone records, his car was US after going offroad, the grainy CCTV, his completely stopping all contact with Susan on the day, the crap in the back window of his car, the dodgy excuse to go 'home', the engineered 'appointment' in Jerkwater, Dumphries, the journey details not adding up....etc....etc......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 11, 2020, 01:40:32 PM
Quote from: The General on September 11, 2020, 01:27:01 PM
You and I know that the circumstantial evidence was overwhelming, even dog alerts aside.
Phone records, his car was US after going offroad, the grainy CCTV, his completely stopping all contact with Susan on the day, the crap in the back window of his car, the dodgy excuse to go 'home', the engineered 'appointment' in Jerkwater, Dumphries, the journey details not adding up....etc....etc......

All circumstantial.   Forensics not necessary.. Interesting  times ahead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 11, 2020, 01:55:02 PM
So HCW confirms that the Portuguese police were looking at wells as part of the McCann case not some murdered old guy as all the sceptics on this forum insisted.  Interesting...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 11, 2020, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 11, 2020, 01:55:02 PM
So HCW confirms that the Portuguese police were looking at wells as part of the McCann case not some murdered old guy as all the sceptics on this forum insisted.  Interesting...

Didn't he deny it in another media story? Who to believe......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 11, 2020, 03:02:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 11, 2020, 02:41:25 PM
Didn't he deny it in another media story? Who to believe......
Well perhaps a cite from you to that effect would be in order so we could compare?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 11, 2020, 05:05:05 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 11, 2020, 01:21:17 PM
You know this do you?  How?

Don't you thiCk it is a bit of a coincidence that the mates say CB told them details of how he abducted Madeleine.  He happened to live not far from the Ocean Club,  his phone pinged outside the Ocean Club on the night of the 3rd of May,  he resembles a photofit,  he got angry if someone spoke about Madeleine McCann,  he has convictions for child abuse,  he is known to have another friend with blonde hair,  two men were seen outside an empty apartment both with blonde hair?

Using his phone in a place he lived is no crime. Who told who how he abducted her? He reportedly said he knows she is dead. That is not the same thing. I can say she is dead but it doesn't mean I was involved! They examined his vehicles and found nothing. How did he abduct her? What getaway vehicle did he use?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 11, 2020, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 11, 2020, 01:40:32 PM
All circumstantial.   Forensics not necessary.. Interesting  times ahead

Yep interesting times is right because this suspect will soon be gone. Circumstantial evidence LOL. A crook told us he did it is quicksand not concrete!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 11, 2020, 05:45:19 PM
It appears things may not be all they seem.

Just before paedophile Christian B became the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, police were pursuing a quite different theory.

It focused on another suspect in another country and involved a delicate undercover operation. I don't know if that investigation is entirely over, but I think it would be wrong to describe Christian B as the only suspect in this case.

In fact, one source told me that Christian B may be no better a suspect for Madeleine's abduction than two other principle targets.

They are the unnamed suspect, who may still be the subject of an undercover operation, and Euclides Monteiro, a sacked Ocean club waiter and thief who died two years after Madeleine vanished and was later eliminated from the inquiry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 11, 2020, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 11, 2020, 05:45:19 PM
It appears things may not be all they seem.

Just before paedophile Christian B became the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, police were pursuing a quite different theory.

It focused on another suspect in another country and involved a delicate undercover operation. I don't know if that investigation is entirely over, but I think it would be wrong to describe Christian B as the only suspect in this case.

In fact, one source told me that Christian B may be no better a suspect for Madeleine's abduction than two other principle targets.

They are the unnamed suspect, who may still be the subject of an undercover operation, and Euclides Monteiro, a sacked Ocean club waiter and thief who died two years after Madeleine vanished and was later eliminated from the inquiry.

You forgot the link,Sky I think.

Meanwhile the Sun are on it.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12645338/madeleine-mccann-portuguese-cops-christian-b-never-convicted-german-investigation/

But now fears grip the forces that he could slip through the net, despite German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, Braunschweig insisting officers was "convinced that our 43-year-old suspect is the murderer of Maddie McCann.”

And speaking to the Sun Online, Mr Christian Wolters said he was unable to share any more information on whether cops had strong leads.

He said: "We are currently not providing any information about our investigations and previous findings."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 11, 2020, 05:50:57 PM
So we can safely say no police force appears to be currently investigating parental involvement (I’m just about to be comtradicted, I can feel it in my water...)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 11, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 11, 2020, 05:47:37 PM
You forgot the link,Sky I think.

Meanwhile the Sun are on it.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12645338/madeleine-mccann-portuguese-cops-christian-b-never-convicted-german-investigation/

But now fears grip the forces that he could slip through the net, despite German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, Braunschweig insisting officers was "convinced that our 43-year-old suspect is the murderer of Maddie McCann.”

And speaking to the Sun Online, Mr Christian Wolters said he was unable to share any more information on whether cops had strong leads.

He said: "We are currently not providing any information about our investigations and previous findings."

The link’s a few posts back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 11, 2020, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 11, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
The link’s a few posts back.

OK,Brunt from Sky.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 11, 2020, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 11, 2020, 05:05:05 PM
Using his phone in a place he lived is no crime. Who told who how he abducted her? He reportedly said he knows she is dead. That is not the same thing. I can say she is dead but it doesn't mean I was involved! They examined his vehicles and found nothing. How did he abduct her? What getaway vehicle did he use?
How long before Gerry is the chief suspect again?  Roughly, in years please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 11, 2020, 07:07:23 PM
I wish we could get some help from Cheeky Monkey on the probability of finding a hair in the bed of a rape victim belonging to the man fingered as the perpetrator by a third party but inncocently deposited there by an adorable little pussycat the alleged perpetrator had developed a fondness for on his daily constitutional.  What are the chances, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 11, 2020, 07:20:52 PM
The experts on this forum beleive there is no case and no evidence against CB and that he will never face trial. Meanwhile the lawyer for Cb is demanding to know  what evidence the police have and has travelled to portugal to try to find evidence to defend his client ...does he know something we don't
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 11, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 11, 2020, 07:20:52 PM
The exoerts on this forum beleive there is no case and no evidence against CB and that he will never face trial. Meanwhile the lawyer for Cb is demanding to know  what evidence the police have and has travelled to portugal to try to find evidence to defend his client ...does he know something we don't
Isn’t it about time CB’s lawyer started the libel actions we were all promised by the forum experts?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 11, 2020, 07:42:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 11, 2020, 03:02:46 PM
Well perhaps a cite from you to that effect would be in order so we could compare?

German prosecutors were not told about fresh searches for Madeleine McCann – and say they do not even know what prompted them.

Portuguese police sent divers to explore three wells last week near where German suspect Christian Brueck­­ner used to hang out.

But Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has revealed he was not alerted in advance.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-failed-tell-22350130
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 11, 2020, 08:39:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 11, 2020, 07:42:23 PM
German prosecutors were not told about fresh searches for Madeleine McCann – and say they do not even know what prompted them.

Portuguese police sent divers to explore three wells last week near where German suspect Christian Brueck­­ner used to hang out.

But Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has revealed he was not alerted in advance.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-failed-tell-22350130
So no cite of the prosecutor denying that the PT authorities were searching wells as part of the McCann case, thanks for confirming.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 11, 2020, 11:04:28 PM
https://youtu.be/p_TCXe6AFYQ
Latest from Sky.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 12, 2020, 12:11:11 AM
IMO, It is about time Portugal started developing an Offender DNA database.   All European countries should issue a travel  advisory saying it is unsafe to travel to Portugal because crimes against tourists can't be investigated adequately.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on September 12, 2020, 01:26:09 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 11, 2020, 11:04:28 PM
https://youtu.be/p_TCXe6AFYQ
Latest from Sky.

Helge must have had very credible evidence to facilitate a 5 year reduction in his Greek prison sentence for people trafficking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 12, 2020, 07:14:15 AM
It's not up to CBs lawyer to decide who is s credible witness... It'd up to the court
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 12, 2020, 08:38:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 12, 2020, 07:14:15 AM
It's not up to CBs lawyer to decide who is s credible witness... It'd up to the court

There's nothing to link the suspect to Madeleine save the word of a bestest mate,some credible witness he is,back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 12, 2020, 08:50:41 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 12, 2020, 08:38:23 AM
There's nothing to link the suspect to Madeleine save the word of a bestest mate,some credible witness he is,back to the drawing board.

You don't have enough information to make that decision which shows your evidence analysis is lacking.

we will know more as the weeks progress...I think its looking more and more taht it may well go to trial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on September 12, 2020, 09:08:58 AM
Martin Brunt asks, "Have they got the right man this time?"

A bit ironic if I'm honest given some of his previous reporting including the notorious so-called DNA evidence against the McCanns.

https://news.sky.com/story/the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-have-they-got-the-right-man-this-time-12068118
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 12, 2020, 09:11:23 AM
Quote from: John on September 12, 2020, 09:08:58 AM
Martin Brunt asks, "Have they got the right man this time?"

A bit ironic if I'm honest given some of his previous reporting including the notorious so-called DNA evidence against the McCanns.

https://news.sky.com/story/the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-have-they-got-the-right-man-this-time-12068118

I think brunt was only reporting what he had been told/leaked by the PJ. perhaps he just didnt expect a professional police force to get the information so wrong

We know from amaral that the PJ mistakenly thought they had proof maddie died in the apartmnet and had been in the hire car...the fact was ...they didnt ...total incompetence imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 12, 2020, 09:39:26 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 12, 2020, 09:11:23 AM
I think brunt was only reporting what he had been told/leaked by the PJ. perhaps he just didnt expect a professional police force to get the information so wrong

We know from amaral that the PJ mistakenly thought they had proof maddie died in the apartmnet and had been in the hire car...the fact was ...they didnt ...total incompetence imo

IMO the German investigation is going no further,what would that suggest of their investigation,declaring they have their man when they actually haven't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 12, 2020, 09:45:20 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 12, 2020, 09:39:26 AM
IMO the German investigation is going no further,what would that suggest of their investigation,declaring they have their man when they actually haven't.

I disagree and think the investigation is progressing and may well result in charges. CBs lawyer has been to portugal looking foir evidence to support the defence which would suggest he thinks  a trial is possible too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 12, 2020, 03:31:56 PM
He's had nothing in 3 months and probably receiving rubbish from crazy McCann supporters. He cannot be very confident of getting anywhere now. The undercover operation will be the real deal because that remains secret and is not a circus!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 12, 2020, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 12, 2020, 08:50:41 AM
You don't have enough information to make that decision which shows your evidence analysis is lacking.

we will know more as the weeks progress...I think its looking more and more taht it may well go to trial
You don't have enough information to make that decision which shows your evidence analysis is lacking.

we will know more as the weeks progress...I think its looking more and more taht it will fizzle out like a 2 bob banger.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 12, 2020, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 12, 2020, 03:31:56 PM
He's had nothing in 3 months and probably receiving rubbish from crazy McCann supporters. He cannot be very confident of getting anywhere now. The undercover operation will be the real deal because that remains secret and is not a circus!
You do know the undercover operation isn’t two members of the PJ sitting in a Ford Focus on a cul-de-sac in Rothley don’t you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 12, 2020, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: The General on September 12, 2020, 05:01:07 PM
You don't have enough information to make that decision which shows your evidence analysis is lacking.

we will know more as the weeks progress...I think its looking more and more taht it will fizzle out like a 2 bob banger.
you hope
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 12, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
Quote from: The General on September 12, 2020, 05:01:07 PM
You don't have enough information to make that decision which shows your evidence analysis is lacking.

we will know more as the weeks progress...I think its looking more and more taht it will fizzle out like a 2 bob banger.

The very fact that CBs lawyer has travelled to portugal to organise his defence suggests he thinks  a trial is likely.

he complains his clents name is being unfairly blackenned...he could simply state his alibi and stop all this nonsense...he obviously hasnt got one..imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 12, 2020, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: misty on September 12, 2020, 01:26:09 AM
Helge must have had very credible evidence to facilitate a 5 year reduction in his Greek prison sentence for people trafficking.
I agree, Misty. Since he, Manfred and Michael T came forward with information, Madeleine’s disappearance and the search for her, have gained renewed momentum. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 12, 2020, 07:47:30 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 12, 2020, 03:31:56 PM
He's had nothing in 3 months and probably receiving rubbish from crazy McCann supporters. He cannot be very confident of getting anywhere now. The undercover operation will be the real deal because that remains secret and is not a circus!

I don't think you are in any position to call supporters crazy.... People in glass houses and all that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 12, 2020, 08:36:25 PM
I wrote this back in June,anyone got anything to contradict it?



Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2020, 09:13:46 AM
He no more removed Madeleine from 5a than Rasputin did imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 12, 2020, 08:41:15 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 12, 2020, 08:36:25 PM
I wrote this back in June,anyone got anything to contradict it?
Rasputin didn't have his cellphone with him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 12, 2020, 10:58:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 12, 2020, 08:36:25 PM
I wrote this back in June,anyone got anything to contradict it?
Yes, Rasputin is dead and had never been to PdL so therefore it’s far more likely to have been CB who is not only alive but also lived in PdL at the time of the disappearance.  Next question?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 12, 2020, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 12, 2020, 07:47:30 PM
I don't think you are in any position to call supporters crazy.... People in glass houses and all that

They cannot solve this case without finding Smithman. If the undercover suspect is not him then they're just as crazy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 12, 2020, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 12, 2020, 11:09:49 PM
They cannot solve this case without finding Smithman. If the undercover suspect is not him then they're just as crazy.

Perhaps Smithman has been found and eliminated from the equation???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 12, 2020, 11:50:17 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 12, 2020, 11:09:49 PM
They cannot solve this case without finding Smithman. If the undercover suspect is not him then they're just as crazy.
How do you suppose they are going to “find Smithman”?  Smithman being iyo Gerry who has already been found, investigated, suspected, and de-suspected?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 13, 2020, 12:49:22 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 11, 2020, 11:04:28 PM
https://youtu.be/p_TCXe6AFYQ
Latest from Sky.

Martin Brunt Christian B video:
https://youtu.be/p_TCXe6AFYQ


@ 6.36

Martin Brunt says, I think about SY alone.

Quote
“ Before Christian B. became the main suspect in the Madeleine Mccann case, Police were pursuing a quite different theory.

It focused on another suspect in another country and it involved a delicate undercover investigation     

I don’t know if that investigation is over entirely.

I think it would be wrong to describe Christian B as the only suspect in the investigation “
   Please note this transcript has all the info that Brunty gave but it might be a tiny bit in the wrong order


Martin goes on to say that Christian B, Euclides Monteiro and another man are the three suspects. 
Euclides Monteiro is dead, leaving Christian B and another..


So just who is that third person? 

1.  Someone we haven’t heard of? 
2.  Someone that we have heard of, but it hasn’t registered that he might be involved?
3.  Or maybe, just maybe, the someone that I find interesting ?


IMO, it could be the third person (commissioning it from a distance) and also Christian B., but we will have to wait and see … cos we don't really know, do we ?.

We shall learn fairly soon, hopefully … unless, of course, untouchables are involved..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 01:17:46 AM
Quote from: sadie on September 13, 2020, 12:49:22 AM
Martin Brunt Christian B video:
https://youtu.be/p_TCXe6AFYQ


@ 6.36

Martin Brunt says, I think about SY alone.
   Please note this transcript has all the info that Brunty gave but it might be a tiny bit in the wrong order


Martin goes on to say that Christian B, Euclides Monteiro and another man are the three suspects. 
Euclides Monteiro is dead, leaving Christian B and another..


So just who is that third person? 

1.  Someone we haven’t heard of? 
2.  Someone that we have heard of, but it hasn’t registered that he might be involved?
3.  Or maybe, just maybe, the someone that I find interesting ?


IMO, it could be the third person (commissioning it from a distance) and also Christian B., but we will have to wait and see … cos we don't really know, do we ?.

We shall learn fairly soon, hopefully … unless, of course, untouchables are involved..
There was the lady in purple that Mrs Murat talked about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 13, 2020, 06:49:21 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 12, 2020, 10:58:11 PM
Yes, Rasputin is dead and had never been to PdL so therefore it’s far more likely to have been CB who is not only alive but also lived in PdL at the time of the disappearance.  Next question?
Yep,where is it Wolters said he believed his suspect half inched Madeleine from 5a?.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 13, 2020, 06:50:19 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 12, 2020, 08:41:15 PM
Rasputin didn't have his cellphone with him.
That leads to a supposed abduction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 13, 2020, 07:46:15 AM
My view and I think the view of the the professional investigators is..

We have a person with a history of burglary, paedophilia and sexual violence in the area that night......evidenced by the phone ping.

This person has been identified by a witness as the culprit. It doesnt matter that the witness satement MAY be unreliable...it still warrants investigation.

There is also the fact that he deregistered his car the day after....that he is recorded as fantasising about keeping a small child and abusing it over days.

This evidence in itself warrants regarding this person as a suspect but the investigators claim to have strong evidence that this man killed MM.

The suspect should have the right to explain why he should not be considered as a suspect.... explain where he was on the night...who he spoke to...why he deregistered his car.  This information would totally rule the suspect out and he would no longer be associated with the case or under any suspicion.

I'm sure he will be given the opportunity to do this but his lawyer has suggested he will refuse to supply any of this information...why would that be ....why would he not want to clear himself.

Imagine the situation where the mccanns refused to give any details of their movements on the evening of may 3...what would that suggest.

Of course he has the right to silence but a court has the right to draw inference from that silence. There may well be enough evidence to take this case to trial. HCW is gathering that evidence IMO. Just like in the Gilroy case where Gilroy was unable to explain his actions and wherabouts ...the court can draw inference from CB's silence. That combined with other evidence that HCW has  may be enough to convict...interesting times ahead

at the moment..plenty to rule CB in....little to rule him out...and thats due to his own actions







Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 13, 2020, 08:17:04 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 06:49:21 AM
Yep,where is it Wolters said he believed his suspect half inched Madeleine from 5a?.
Errr, what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 13, 2020, 09:03:45 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 12, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
The very fact that CBs lawyer has travelled to portugal to organise his defence suggests he thinks  a trial is likely.

he complains his clents name is being unfairly blackenned...he could simply state his alibi and stop all this nonsense...he obviously hasnt got one..imo
According to the Sun CB’s lawyer met with Amaral on his visit to Portugal.   I can’t see what help Gonc can be to Bruckner unless he’s agreed to sort out an alibi for his client...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 13, 2020, 09:24:03 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 13, 2020, 09:03:45 AM
According to the Sun CB’s lawyer met with Amaral on his visit to Portugal.   I can’t see what help Gonc can be to Bruckner unless he’s agreed to sort out an alibi for his client...

I hope its true. We can expect CBs lawyer to become  a member of CMOMM....tell us dogs dont lie...and petition MI5 to open their files....or of course he may think amaral is a total idiot
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 13, 2020, 10:09:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 12, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
The very fact that CBs lawyer has travelled to portugal to organise his defence suggests he thinks  a trial is likely.

he complains his clents name is being unfairly blackenned...he could simply state his alibi and stop all this nonsense...he obviously hasnt got one..imo

That was a while ago FF went to Portugal. maybe it was for a holiday where he didnt have to self isolate when he came back.

In reality how is he going to know what he was doing 13 year ago
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 13, 2020, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 13, 2020, 10:09:37 AM
That was a while ago FF went to Portugal. maybe it was for a holiday where he didnt have to self isolate when he came back.

In reality how is he going to know what he was doing 13 year ago
He went to ask his new chum Goncalo what his client was doing 13 years ago - he probably knows.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 13, 2020, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 13, 2020, 08:17:04 AM
Errr, what?

Exactly has it say's,Wolters said he had firm/solid/concrete evidence his suspect killed Madeleine,where did he say he believed he took Madeleine out of 5a,maybe thats his sticking point.Still no charges,won't be long now. ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 13, 2020, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 10:20:28 AM
Exactly has it say's,Wolters said he had firm/solid/concrete evidence his suspect killed Madeleine,where did he say he believed he took Madeleine out of 5a,maybe thats his sticking point.Still no charges,won't be long now. ?>)()<

I dont think it will be...a month or two. CBs lawyer seems to think charges are possible...why else would he be going to portugal to build hisw defence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 13, 2020, 10:40:22 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 13, 2020, 10:09:37 AM
That was a while ago FF went to Portugal. maybe it was for a holiday where he didnt have to self isolate when he came back.

In reality how is he going to know what he was doing 13 year ago

if he wa sin PDL...which he was....the palce was buzzing with police and searchers. Im sure thos ein PDL know where they were when the news came in
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 13, 2020, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 13, 2020, 10:38:35 AM
I dont think it will be...a month or two. CBs lawyer seems to think charges are possible...why else would he be going to portugal to build hisw defence


Defence of what,Wolters hasn't anything,what did he forget to add to the concrete,oh! I know evidence.


MADDIE PROBE STALLED Madeleine McCann prosecutors say there will be no major progress before next year in Christian B probe

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12653454/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-progress-next-year-christian-b/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 13, 2020, 10:48:52 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 10:20:28 AM
Exactly has it say's,Wolters said he had firm/solid/concrete evidence his suspect killed Madeleine,where did he say he believed he took Madeleine out of 5a,maybe thats his sticking point.Still no charges,won't be long now. ?>)()<
Oh, I see.  Yeah, do you know what?  I’ve never heard him say Kate and Gerry weren’t involved either so he probably thinks they gave her up to CB voluntarily.  Still no charges but won’t  be long until those evil parents are locked up, mark my words...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 13, 2020, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 13, 2020, 10:38:35 AM
I dont think it will be...a month or two. CBs lawyer seems to think charges are possible...why else would he be going to portugal to build hisw defence
He has said no further developments likely until the end of the year at the earliest,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 13, 2020, 10:52:43 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 10:43:18 AM

Defence of what,Wolters hasn't anything,what did he forget to add to the concrete,oh! I know evidence.


MADDIE PROBE STALLED Madeleine McCann prosecutors say there will be no major progress before next year in Christian B probe

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12653454/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-progress-next-year-christian-b/

might be best if you read the article to see what HCW said rather than what the Sun said...he said

No new announcements will be made until the end of 2020.

Which is exactly what i said.. Hes building his case...CBs lawyers worried.

nowhere does he say the investigation has stalled...typical sceptic inability to see the true facts imo


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 13, 2020, 10:56:58 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 13, 2020, 10:49:36 AM
He has said no further developments likely until the end of the year at the earliest,

As  I said before the sun article...we will hear something in a month or two. Thanks HCW for confirming my post...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 11:55:14 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 06:50:19 AM
That leads to a supposed abduction?
Its a difference between CB and Rasputin IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 13, 2020, 12:02:30 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 11:55:14 AM
Its a difference between CB and Rasputin IMO.

I said 5a,so how is he different in that respect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 12:02:30 PM
I said 5a,so how is he different in that respect.
You quoted "He no more removed Madeleine from 5a than Rasputin did imo."   From 5A or the vicinity of 5A what's the difference?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 13, 2020, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 12:08:31 PM
You quoted "He no more removed Madeleine from 5a than Rasputin did imo."   From 5A or the vicinity of 5A what's the difference?

Now we're getting some where,where is it stated the new suspect removed Madeleine from 5a.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 12:10:03 PM
Now we're getting some where,where is it stated the new suspect removed Madeleine from 5a.
He doesn't have to.  If Madeleine was on the footpath heading to the Tapas Restaurant it is still an abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 13, 2020, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 12:11:41 PM
He doesn't have to.  If Madeleine was on the footpath heading to the Tapas Restaurant it is still an abduction.

So you are of an opinion she left 5a on her tod,Rowley said however she left 5a she was abducted,yet Wolters doesn't seem to bring this up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 13, 2020, 12:17:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 12:10:03 PM
Now we're getting some where,where is it stated the new suspect removed Madeleine from 5a.
Surely you're not entertaining the idea that CB had anything to do with it, so why this line of questioning?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 13, 2020, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 13, 2020, 12:17:57 PM
Surely you're not entertaining the idea that CB had anything to do with it, so why this line of questioning?

I've long said person or persons unknown remove Madeleine fro 5a,how come Wolters never mentioned it? is he not sure? in which case...............
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 13, 2020, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 12:20:28 PM
I've long said person or persons unknown remove Madeleine fro 5a,how come Wolters never mentioned it? is he not sure? in which case...............
Some things don’t really need to be spelt out (or perhaps they do for the conspiracy theorists and hard of thinking).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 12:17:33 PM
So you are of an opinion she left 5a on her tod,Rowley said however she left 5a she was abducted,yet Wolters doesn't seem to bring this up.
Yes I do. 
Wolters is more looking at trying to prove CB killed Madeleine.  If that was the case he wouldn't need to show CB took Madeleine from any specific site.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 13, 2020, 01:03:38 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 01:17:46 AM
There was the lady in purple that Mrs Murat talked about.

Yep, could be.

Now was she thought to be an OC worker at the Millenium restaurant who was waiting for her husband who was working at the Tapas restaurant ?  Had both finished their shifts?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 13, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
Quote from: sadie on September 13, 2020, 01:03:38 PM
Yep, could be.

Now was she thought to be an OC worker at the Millenium restaurant who was waiting for her husband who was working at the Tapas restaurant ?  Had both finished their shifts?

Only by Heri, as I recall. The woman he suspected worked in the kitchen at the Millenium from 10am to 6pm. Her husband worked in the same place from 8pm until midnight. There was no reason for either of them to be near 5A on 3rd May.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LOUISA_TODOROV.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 13, 2020, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 12, 2020, 11:28:14 PM
Perhaps Smithman has been found and eliminated from the equation???

A)        Has the man in the efits been identified?

Operation Grange is a live investigation, we do not comment on
identification as this information is held for the purpose of the
investigation and therefore falls within the section 30 exemption.

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2018/june_2018/information-rights-unit---various-questions-about-operation-grange

In broad terms, the section 30 exemptions exist to
ensure the effective investigation and prosecution of offences
and the protection of confidential sources. They recognise the
need to prevent disclosures that would prejudice either a
particular investigation or set of proceedings, or the
investigatory and prosecution processes generally, including
any prejudice to future investigations and proceedings

https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisations/documents/1205/investigations-and-proceedings-foi-section-30.pdf
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 13, 2020, 01:57:06 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 12:42:34 PM
Yes I do. 
Wolters is more looking at trying to prove CB killed Madeleine.  If that was the case he wouldn't need to show CB took Madeleine from any specific site.

If CB came across an already dead Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 13, 2020, 05:51:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 13, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
Only by Heri, as I recall. The woman he suspected worked in the kitchen at the Millenium from 10am to 6pm. Her husband worked in the same place from 8pm until midnight. There was no reason for either of them to be near 5A on 3rd May.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LOUISA_TODOROV.htm

What do you mean, * Only by Heri * ? 

Heri is by far the best qualified poster on here and an expert on the case.  Are you trying to demean him ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 13, 2020, 05:54:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 01:57:06 PM
If CB came across an already dead Madeleine?

HCW says he has enough evidence to show CB killed MM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 13, 2020, 06:02:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 13, 2020, 05:54:04 PM
HCW says he has enough evidence to show CB killed MM.

So you keep saying ...but where is it.

If he had evidence CB killed Maddie ...he would be charged. ...otherwise a strong accusation to make when you dont know if it is true or not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 13, 2020, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 13, 2020, 06:02:56 PM
So you keep saying ...but where is it.

If he had evidence CB killed Maddie ...he would be charged. ...otherwise a strong accusation to make when you dont know if it is true or not.

HCW says he has enough evidence to show CB killed Maddie...he has explained why he hasnt been charged yet..

It is  a strong accusation and thats why I think he must be fairly sure
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 13, 2020, 06:16:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 13, 2020, 06:09:04 PM
HCW says he has enough evidence to show CB killed Maddie...he has explained why he hasnt been charged yet..

It is  a strong accusation and thats why I think he must be fairly sure


Why just because he said it .....seems more he was too far ahead of himself.

I believe he is very quiet now because.... he came unstuck

Surely even you must know if he had evidence CB had killed maddie ...

what the hell more evidence would he need to charge CB what would he be waiting for
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 13, 2020, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 13, 2020, 06:16:00 PM

Why just because he said it .....seems more he was too far ahead of himself.

I believe he is very quiet now because.... he came unstuck

Surely even you must know if he had evidence CB had killed maddie ...

what the hell more evidence would he need to charge CB what would he be waiting for

Do be patient ... I'm sure time will tell.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 13, 2020, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 13, 2020, 06:16:00 PM

Why just because he said it .....seems more he was too far ahead of himself.

I believe he is very quiet now because.... he came unstuck

Surely even you must know if he had evidence CB had killed maddie ...

what the hell more evidence would he need to charge CB what would he be waiting for

He would need proof.....thats how simple it is..


I understand exactly why hes quiet
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 13, 2020, 06:50:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 13, 2020, 06:16:00 PM

Why just because he said it .....seems more he was too far ahead of himself.

I believe he is very quiet now because.... he came unstuck

Surely even you must know if he had evidence CB had killed maddie ...

what the hell more evidence would he need to charge CB what would he be waiting for
He’s not very quiet now, he has been on several news programmes recently.  Bang goes your theory!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 07:50:23 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 13, 2020, 01:57:06 PM
If CB came across an already dead Madeleine?
He'd be best to own up to that before he is charged with her murder.  The statutes of limitations would make a crime of disposing of a dead body beyond prosecution at this stage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 14, 2020, 06:11:41 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 13, 2020, 07:50:23 PM
He'd be best to own up to that before he is charged with her murder.  The statutes of limitations would make a crime of disposing of a dead body beyond prosecution at this stage.
What's He got to own up to,the investigation is being run through the brit press,nothings been presented to him and is unlikely to be imo.Wolter  heard a rumour from one of the suspects supposed ex friends ,Wolter s admits there's no forensics involved its all hearsay and try has he might there's nowt to pin the tail on the donkey.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 14, 2020, 07:30:52 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 14, 2020, 06:11:41 AM
What's He got to own up to,the investigation is being run through the brit press,nothings been presented to him and is unlikely to be imo.Wolter  heard a rumour from one of the suspects supposed ex friends ,Wolter s admits there's no forensics involved its all hearsay and try has he might there's nowt to pin the tail on the donkey.
Another one who doesn't understand  what hearsay means

You've missed out the part where HCW says he may not need forensics to prove it... No forensic in the Gilroy case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 14, 2020, 08:04:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 14, 2020, 07:30:52 AM
Another one who doesn't understand  what hearsay means

You've missed out the part where HCW says he may not need forensics to prove it... No forensic in the Gilroy case

Heresy: belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.

Forensic? Physical forensics? Digital?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 14, 2020, 09:28:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 13, 2020, 06:21:57 PM
He would need proof.....thats how simple it is..


I understand exactly why hes quiet


Well if he has evidence CB killed Maddie .....wouldn that be the proof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 14, 2020, 09:30:55 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 14, 2020, 09:28:09 AM

Well if he has evidence CB killed Maddie .....wouldn that be the proof.

No... Evidence and proof are not the same
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 14, 2020, 09:54:00 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 14, 2020, 09:30:55 AM
No... Evidence and proof are not the same
They are if the evidence becomes proof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 14, 2020, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: The General on September 14, 2020, 09:54:00 AM
They are if the evidence becomes proof.

If kizzy doesnt understand the diference beteween evidence anf proof then its no wonder she thinks HCW doesnt know what hes talking about.

You are just trying to score points and muddy the waters...HCW has said he has evidence...he isnt saying he has proof.  if posters cant grasp that simple fact they will not be able to undersatnd whats going on
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 14, 2020, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 14, 2020, 10:02:14 AM
If kizzy doesnt understand the diference beteween evidence anf proof then its no wonder she thinks HCW doesnt know what hes talking about.

You are just trying to score points and muddy the waters...HCW has said he has evidence...he isnt saying he has proof.  if posters cant grasp that simple fact they will not be able to undersatnd whats going on

The police and the prosecutors charge a suspect when they believe that the evidence they have collected is enough to prove in court that the suspect committed the crime. Sometimes they're right and sometimes they're wrong. At the moment Wolters knows he hasn't got enough evidence to take to court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 14, 2020, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 13, 2020, 06:50:28 PM
He’s not very quiet now, he has been on several news programmes recently.  Bang goes your theory!

He is being very cautious,  he's definitely not an Amaral.    I don't believe he would give away what he has to anyone until he finally charges CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 14, 2020, 12:05:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 14, 2020, 10:02:14 AM
If kizzy doesnt understand the diference beteween evidence anf proof then its no wonder she thinks HCW doesnt know what hes talking about.

You are just trying to score points and muddy the waters...HCW has said he has evidence...he isnt saying he has proof.  if posters cant grasp that simple fact they will not be able to undersatnd whats going on

So you have assumed wrong I understand perfectly what HCW is talking about ...probabilities.

You carnt prove any different ....seems tome your posts that are muddying he waters trying to convince those who read them german police have there man with nothing to back it up same as the abduction.

mccs say Maddie was abducted ...HCW says CB is the  abductor .....no proof of any of it it seems.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 14, 2020, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 14, 2020, 12:05:06 PM
So you have assumed wrong I understand perfectly what HCW is talking about ...probabilities.

You carnt prove any different ....seems tome your posts that are muddying he waters trying to convince those who read them german police have there man with nothing to back it up same as the abduction.

mccs say Maddie was abducted ...HCW says CB is the  abductor .....no proof of any of it it seems.

Mark Rowley of SY also beleive maddie was abducted...it seems th eportuguese are assisting in the investigation into CB. The fact is HCW says he has strong evidence that CB killed Maddie...only a court can decide if its proof.

Just to point out I have never claimed CB is the man....i think based on teh evidence its highly probable he is...we will see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 14, 2020, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 14, 2020, 12:08:35 PM
Mark Rowley of SY also beleive maddie was abducted...it seems th eportuguese are assisting in the investigation into CB. The fact is HCW says he has strong evidence that CB killed Maddie...only a court can decide if its proof.

Just to point out I have never claimed CB is the man....i think based on teh evidence its highly probable he is...we will see

Wonder if MB is starting to have doubts.


A new suspect has emerged in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The focus on him is the latest in a series of twists and turns in one of the most high-profile missing person cases in recent history, which saw the three-year-old disappear from a holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort Praia da Luz in 2007



I've covered the Madeleine McCann mystery since she disappeared. Over the years I've reported on various suspects, all of them eventually ruled out, but I wanted to find out, have they got the right man this time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 14, 2020, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 14, 2020, 10:02:14 AM
If kizzy doesnt understand the diference beteween evidence anf proof then its no wonder she thinks HCW doesnt know what hes talking about.

You are just trying to score points and muddy the waters...HCW has said he has evidence...he isnt saying he has proof.  if posters cant grasp that simple fact they will not be able to undersatnd whats going on
I think you are mistaken. Evidence can be, and often is, proof.
If you can't understand that, then how can you possibly understand any aspect of human existence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 14, 2020, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: The General on September 14, 2020, 12:41:04 PM
I think you are mistaken. Evidence can be, and often is, proof.
If you can't understand that, then how can you possibly understand any aspect of human existence?

you do realise that some posters think you are serious
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 14, 2020, 08:14:55 PM
Kizzy posted this in another thread,some body anybody give us a clue we're struggling,unnamed friend being sought allegedly.



Quote from: kizzy on September 14, 2020, 06:28:21 PM

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-hunting-second-22676764

Also.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12660655/madeleine-mccann-cops-german-drifter-friends-prime-suspect-christian-b/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-hunt-second-22676580#source=breaking-news
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 14, 2020, 08:18:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 14, 2020, 08:14:55 PM
Kizzy posted this in another thread,some body anybody give us a clue we're struggling,unnamed friend being sought allegedly.



Also.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12660655/madeleine-mccann-cops-german-drifter-friends-prime-suspect-christian-b/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-hunt-second-22676580#source=breaking-news

Its quite obvipous to me what HCW is doing...but I'm open minded and not in denial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 14, 2020, 08:29:26 PM
Interesting I told OG to search Barragem da Bravura.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 14, 2020, 08:29:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 14, 2020, 08:18:22 PM
Its quite obvipous to me what HCW is doing...but I'm open minded and not in denial

Yep, bumping along at the bottom of the barrel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 14, 2020, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 14, 2020, 08:29:26 PM
Interesting I told OG to search Barragem da Bravura.
Has OG responded to your advice?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 14, 2020, 08:46:50 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 14, 2020, 08:29:26 PM
Interesting I told OG to search Barragem da Bravura.
Clearly they are taking their orders from you then!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on September 15, 2020, 01:18:54 AM
Quote from: sadie on September 15, 2020, 12:16:19 AM
I didn't realise that you were a supporter of Marcos Aragao Correia.

IIRC, he organised a search there way before OG was even thought of

Different dam, Sadie. MAC was involved in the searches at Arade dam near Silves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 15, 2020, 08:54:58 AM
Quote from: misty on September 15, 2020, 01:18:54 AM
Different dam, Sadie. MAC was involved in the searches at Arade dam near Silves.
....and involved in clairvoyance and dreamweaving.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 15, 2020, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: The General on September 15, 2020, 08:54:58 AM
....and involved in clairvoyance and dreamweaving.

Or, as he described it, Parapsychology and Paranormal sciences. They are not sciences, of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 15, 2020, 11:19:57 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 15, 2020, 10:40:45 AM
Or, as he described it, Parapsychology and Paranormal sciences. They are not sciences, of course.

Hmmm ... as the saying goes "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" but unless it has anything to do with 'New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.' just a bit of an irrelevance on this thread don't you 'tink.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 15, 2020, 02:03:14 PM
Quote from: misty on September 15, 2020, 01:18:54 AM
Different dam, Sadie. MAC was involved in the searches at Arade dam near Silves.

Of course it was the wrong dam to search. I told them to search the right one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 15, 2020, 02:06:18 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 15, 2020, 02:03:14 PM
Of course it was the wrong dam to search. I told them to search the right one.
Why haven’t you told them to arrest Gerry?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 15, 2020, 02:50:24 PM
I think HCW is playing  a very clever game. I suspect ..based on what we have been told...that he is contacting and interviewing as many of CB's associates as he can find to see if they can shed any light on where CB was on the 3rd 4th 5th of May. Remember CB is on record as saying he wanted to find something small and use it for days.

It will take HCW some months to find and interview these poeple. He can then interview CB and ask what he did on these days. CB doesnt have to answer.

Gilroy could'nt account for a fairly long period of time and that case too was circumstantial.

CB's lack of an alibi for these days....combined with the fact that none of his friends saw him...combined with other evidence could be enough to convict.  I find CB's silence  a real red flag...perhaps a court will too


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 15, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 15, 2020, 02:50:24 PM
I think HCW is playing  a very clever game. I suspect ..based on what we have been told...that he is contacting and interviewing as many of CB's associates as he can find to see if they can shed any light on where CB was on the 3rd 4th 5th of May. Remember CB is on record as saying he wanted to find something small and use it for days.

It will take HCW some months to find and interview these poeple. He can then interview CB and ask what he did on these days. CB doesnt have to answer.

Gilroy could'nt account for a fairly long period of time and that case too was circumstantial.

CB's lack of an alibi for these days....combined with the fact that none of his friends saw him...combined with other evidence could be enough to convict.  I find CB's silence  a real red flag...perhaps a court will too
How do you know he hasn't got an alibi when he hasn't been asked to provide one?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 15, 2020, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: The General on September 15, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
How do you know he hasn't got an alibi when he hasn't been asked to provide one?

I suspect he hasn't.... His lawyer had proclaimed  his innocence and criticised the speculation ..he's in solitary... He could end it all by supplying an alibi.
I'm giving my thoughts on the present situation.
If he has a reliable alibi it could be game over for the investigation... It seems to me he hasn't
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 15, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 15, 2020, 03:32:16 PM
I suspect he hasn't.... His lawyer had proclaimed  his innocence and criticised the speculation ..he's in solitary... He could end it all by supplying an alibi.
I'm giving my thoughts on the present situation.
If he has a reliable alibi it could be game over for the investigation... It seems to me he hasn't
That's not how the game works. Generally speaking a prosecutor would like to actually make an official accusation / charge under some form of caution. Until then, well, why would he volunteer anything?

If he was not currently being held they would have to rope him in on something and interrogate (although I'm sure in his case they could literally take their pick of just about anything he's done, coz he's a wrong 'un).
They'd ask him then and, who knows, he might actually have an alibi that flies. His problem is, all of his oppos have shivved him and he was bound to have been with one of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 15, 2020, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 15, 2020, 03:32:16 PM
I suspect he hasn't.... His lawyer had proclaimed  his innocence and criticised the speculation ..he's in solitary... He could end it all by supplying an alibi.
I'm giving my thoughts on the present situation.
If he has a reliable alibi it could be game over for the investigation... It seems to me he hasn't


Seems its game over anyway....you are just desperately building ur hopes up D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 15, 2020, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 15, 2020, 04:33:22 PM

Seems its game over anyway....you are just desperately building ur hopes up D
And this isn’t wishful thinking on your part?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on September 15, 2020, 04:42:53 PM
I managed to catch Martin Brunt's interview with the German prosecutor on Friday and I must say the guy comes across as a prize pillock.  He had the audacity to say that, "he thinks that Christian Brueckner killed Madeleine" but has no tangible evidence or DNA or anything else to support his claim. When Brunt effectively challenged that claim he had no comment.

I'd love to see any official from the CPS try and get away with that nonsense in this country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 15, 2020, 04:48:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 15, 2020, 04:35:50 PM
And this isn’t wishful thinking on your part?

No, just common sense VS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 15, 2020, 04:59:36 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 15, 2020, 04:48:46 PM
No, just common sense VS
Explain why
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 15, 2020, 05:02:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 15, 2020, 04:42:53 PM
I managed to catch Martin Brunt's interview with the German prosecutor on Friday and I must say the guy comes across as a prize pillock.  He had the audacity to say that, "he thinks that Christian Brueckner killed Madeleine" but has no tangible evidence or DNA or anything else to support his claim. When Brunt effectively challenged that claim he had no comment.

I'd love to see any official from the CPS try and get away with that nonsense in this country.
If he is talking complete crap he will soon be out of a job and you will all be able to breathe a huge sigh of relief and congratulate each other.  Shouldn’t be long now...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 15, 2020, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: John on September 15, 2020, 04:42:53 PM
I managed to catch Martin Brunt's interview with the German prosecutor on Friday and I must say the guy comes across as a prize pillock.  He had the audacity to say that, "he thinks that Christian Brueckner killed Madeleine" but has no tangible evidence or DNA or anything else to support his claim. When Brunt effectively challenged that claim he had no comment.

I'd love to see any official from the CPS try and get away with that nonsense in this country.

I think you are totally wrong. He has said he has enough evidence to show CB killed maddie...he has not divulged what this is. He has said he doesnt have DNA or a body. David Gilroy was convicted without any forensic or tangible evidence...purely circumstantial...no tangible evidence that Susan Pillay is dead.He comes over to me as very shrewd and as Ive already posted if he can prove CB disappeared of the radar from 3 to 5 May....which I beleive is one of the things he is doing..then combined with the other evidence he has...this could be enough to convict. He has every right not to answer questions but the court has every right to draw inference from that silence.

The main evidence against Gilroy was he could not account for his movements at the critical time

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 15, 2020, 05:14:48 PM
i think the main raeson some sceptics dismiss HCW is because he supports the abduction theory and they cannot bear to admit they have been wrong for 13 years. How can he be a pillock when he nailed CB for the rape that the PJ failed miserably to prosecute.

anyone who thinks HCW is an idiot and amaral a genius needs to give their head a wobble
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 15, 2020, 05:17:43 PM
Quote from: The General on September 15, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
That's not how the game works. Generally speaking a prosecutor would like to actually make an official accusation / charge under some form of caution. Until then, well, why would he volunteer anything?

If he was not currently being held they would have to rope him in on something and interrogate (although I'm sure in his case they could literally take their pick of just about anything he's done, coz he's a wrong 'un).
They'd ask him then and, who knows, he might actually have an alibi that flies. His problem is, all of his oppos have shivved him and he was bound to have been with one of them.

that is precisely the point.....if he didnt take MM then he would be bound to be with one of his friends.....so far it seems he wasnt....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 15, 2020, 05:51:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 15, 2020, 05:11:42 PM
I think you are totally wrong. He has said he has enough evidence to show CB killed maddie...he has not divulged what this is. He has said he doesnt have DNA or a body. David Gilroy was convicted without any forensic or tangible evidence...purely circumstantial...no tangible evidence that Susan Pillay is dead.He comes over to me as very shrewd and as Ive already posted if he can prove CB disappeared of the radar from 3 to 5 May....which I beleive is one of the things he is doing..then combined with the other evidence he has...this could be enough to convict. He has every right not to answer questions but the court has every right to draw inference from that silence.

The main evidence against Gilroy was he could not account for his movements at the critical time

Ah the circumstantial case against Gilroy, one plank of which was the cadaver dog alerts.

Alerts that helped convict him...even without a body.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 15, 2020, 08:20:55 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 15, 2020, 05:51:51 PM
Ah the circumstantial case against Gilroy, one plank of which was the cadaver dog alerts.

Alerts that helped convict him...even without a body.

What is the phrase...take the plank out of your eye... the SSCRC said the alerts were not important and there was enough evidence to convict him without them
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 15, 2020, 08:22:42 PM
I think it's quite possible that once HCW has traced all CB's possible alibi's....then he will be interviewed and charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 15, 2020, 08:48:27 PM
This has reference to the 2017 sighting in Gale and as reported in the press recently, at a supermarket where an anonymous person detected a girl speaking German and with an eye defect, whom she considers to be possibly Madeleine. Sandra F has recorded this recently.
In May 2007, the PJ files contain a sighting also in Gale by Sharon Booth. A girl around four years old in a green Peugeot with a man and woman. She described the man as having blonde, short hair.
There is also the mention of Brückner and his then girlfriend, Nicole Fehlinger robbing a house in Gale and looting 600 000 Euro.
Please bear with me. References to follow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 15, 2020, 09:00:40 PM
The registration number of the vehicle is here.

This mentions two men with blonde hair.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 15, 2020, 09:50:14 PM
Madeleine McCann prime suspect's lawyer would not trust client to 'babysit daughter'
EXCLUSIVE: Christian Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher said that if he had a daughter he would not let his client look after her, although he said the suspect could be his dogsitter

Andy Lines
The Maddie McCann prime suspect's own lawyer said he would not trust his client enough to ever use him as a “babysitter.”

Friedrich Fuelscher insisted that, if he had a daughter, he would not let Christian Brueckner look after her.

And for the first time he revealed to Mirror Online that he made a secret visit to Portugal last week to carry out a series of new inquiries.

In a wide-ranging interview Fuelscher invited me into his office to discuss issues surrounding the Maddie case.

Brueckner has been named as the chief suspect in to the disappearance of the three-year-old Brit after police said mobile phone records placed him in Praia da Luz on the evening she went missing.


Christian Brueckner is the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance
But despite Brueckner protesting his innocence Fuelscher said: “I'd let him look after my dogs but I wouldn't let him look after my children or my daughter - if I had them.

“He could be my dogsitter, yes, but because of his record I would not let him look after my own daughter.”

Fuelscher has been plunged into the centre of one of the world's biggest unsolved crimes when Maddie vanished in May 2007.

Last week he flew to the Algarve.

He claimed: “I have been to Portugal to investigate for myself.

“I went to check the locality there.

“I clearly went more openly and attempted to make my own conclusions on the sources of information available to me – for example the Portuguese investigation files.”

He claimed he uncovered completely new information which he plans to reveal in coming weeks.

“I cannot tell you what it is - but it is big. It certainly surprised me,” he said.


Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher talks to Mirror chief reporter Andy Lines (Image: Daily Mirror)
Since taking on Brueckner as a client – who has been convicted of possessing vile child sex abuse images, rape and drug dealing, Fuelscher said his life had changed.

He said: “I certainly don't sleep as well as I used to.|

“I've had threats, lots of them, some of them death threats.

“Some of them have been online and some of them have been on the phone.

“I have pressed charges on some of them.

“I've also been told my life is in danger for looking into the Madeleine McCann case.”

Brueckner, 43, is currently being kept in solitary confinement in a prison in central Kiel.

He cannot mix with other prisoners because of threats from fellow inmates.

“I am entitled to go and visit him but I only go in when I have something to discuss,” said Fuelscher.


Madeleine McCann went missing in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007 (Image: PA)
“But I cannot - and will not - discuss what my client has told me.”

Fuelscher was at pains to compliment the professionalism Scotland Yard were showing in handling their inquiries but slammed the German legal authorities in Braunschweig.

He said: “I praise the British investigation team and, from what I have seen so far, I certainly think they have good reasons to still treat this as a 'missing persons' inquiry.

“But from the German prosecutors I still have not received one single file in connection with this case.

“That is extremely unusual.

“I do not know why they have not passed anything on.

“The prosecution is only asking questions in one direction.

“I think a similar case like this will be hard to find.

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"It is not comprehensible how a public prosecutor's office can repeatedly approach the media and make statements like: 'We are firmly convinced that Christian B is the right person and the perpetrator and killed this girl', but then at the same time we are told that they don't have the crucial evidence.

“This is for me a contradiction in itself."

Fuelscher claimed some articles in the British and German press had been inaccurate - particularly in connection with Brueckner's conviction of the rape of an American pensioner in Praia da Luz two years before Maddie vanished.

“One of the mistakes people have made is saying there is a film of the rape of the pensioner that is not true,” he said.

“And the prosecution are using two very dubious witnesses to help their case.”

Brueckner, currently serving a one year nine month sentence for drug dealing is appeal the rape verdict and it is the subject of a complex European Court of Justice legal ruling which will be released next Thursday
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on September 16, 2020, 12:08:10 AM
Coming up on Friday at 9 on RTP with Sandra F...the final episode.

https://www.facebook.com/SextaAs9/videos/361146618261195

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 16, 2020, 06:06:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 15, 2020, 08:22:42 PM
I think it's quite possible that once HCW has traced all CB's possible alibi's....then he will be interviewed and charged.
Of the complete opposite in that none of the witness statements stack up and no charges will be brought.No body,no forensics,all hearsay, it's going no where fast.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 16, 2020, 07:11:39 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 16, 2020, 06:06:09 AM
Of the complete opposite in that none of the witness statements stack up and no charges will be brought.No body,no forensics,all hearsay, it's going no where fast.
you hope.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 16, 2020, 07:14:26 AM
The very fact Fulscher has been to Portugal suggests he, sees the investigation going somewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 16, 2020, 07:38:10 AM
If Fulscher has spoken to Amaral will he lodge on to the fact that if the dog alerts are correct then his client could not be involved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 16, 2020, 08:00:23 AM
Angelo, if you’re going to censor my post so it becomes meaningless you may as well rrmove the entire post.  And why is drily predicting the McCanns will be in prison by Christmas any worse than having “I bet the McCanns dunnit”as a tagline so that it appears hundreds or thousands of times throughout the forum?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 16, 2020, 08:11:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 16, 2020, 07:14:26 AM
The very fact Fulscher has been to Portugal suggests he, sees the investigation going somewhere.

I would call it desperation. He took a risk by accusing Brueckner publicly in the hope that someone would come forward with damning information but that hasn't happened. He is looking very foolish and isolated now imho.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 16, 2020, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 16, 2020, 08:11:04 AM
I would call it desperation. He took a risk by accusing Brueckner publicly in the hope that someone would come forward with damning information but that hasn't happened. He is looking very isolated now.
See my post above.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 16, 2020, 08:15:15 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 16, 2020, 08:11:04 AM
I would call it desperation. He took a risk by accusing Brueckner publicly in the hope that someone would come forward with damning information but that hasn't happened. He is looking very foolish and isolated now imho.

I think he's looking very smart and vert professional... We will know soon
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 16, 2020, 08:17:32 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 16, 2020, 08:11:04 AM
I would call it desperation. He took a risk by accusing Brueckner publicly in the hope that someone would come forward with damning information but that hasn't happened. He is looking very foolish and isolated now imho.

I think he's looking very smart and very professional.. It will be interesting to see if CB has any sort of alibi for may. 3,4,5..my thoughts is that he wont
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 16, 2020, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 16, 2020, 08:11:04 AM
I would call it desperation. He took a risk by accusing Brueckner publicly in the hope that someone would come forward with damning information but that hasn't happened. He is looking very foolish and isolated now imho.
So do you think appealing for more information about a suspect from the public should be made illegal?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 16, 2020, 09:08:37 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 16, 2020, 08:11:04 AM
I would call it desperation. He took a risk by accusing Brueckner publicly in the hope that someone would come forward with damning information but that hasn't happened. He is looking very foolish and isolated now imho.
Are you referring to Wolters rather than Fulscher?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 16, 2020, 09:19:42 AM
I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction.

I think HCW is doing an excellent job. As I understand the German system is similar to Portugal and that as soon as CB is questioned as a suspect he must be given all the evidence against him. CBs lawyer is desperate to see the file but HCW is in no rush.  from what i can see  hes contacting all CB's known associates to find out if they have any knowledge of where CB was on 3,4,5 of may. My thoughts are CB wont have an alibi for these days and this combined with the other evidence will be enough to charge and perhaps convict...we will soon know
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 16, 2020, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 16, 2020, 09:19:42 AM
I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction.

I think HCW is doing an excellent job. As I understand the German system is similar to Portugal and that as soon as CB is questioned as a suspect he must be given all the evidence against him. CBs lawyer is desperate to see the file but HCW is in no rush.  from what i can see  hes contacting all CB's known associates to find out if they have any knowledge of where CB was on 3,4,5 of may. My thoughts are CB wont have an alibi for these days and this combined with the other evidence will be enough to charge and perhaps convict...we will soon know

I think HCW is doing an excellent job.



Of course he is ...that is what Prosecutors  are trained to do...convince people.

Like they do.. when there job is to convince a jury -  they are guilty in summing up. ...they pull out all the stops.

Only this time it seems it's.. the people he is trying to convince..at least in a trial you have prooved evidence.

All he has now is words ....in the media...that are not worth the paper they are written in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 16, 2020, 01:49:52 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 16, 2020, 01:20:35 PM

I think HCW is doing an excellent job.



Of course he is ...that is what Prosecutors  are trained to do...convince people.

Like they do.. when there job is to convince a jury -  they are guilty in summing up. ...they pull out all the stops.

Only this time it seems it's.. the people he is trying to convince..at least in a trial you have prooved evidence.

All he has now is words ....in the media...that are not worth the paper they are written in.

I think you are in for  a big shock. I don't see how he would claim he has evidence to show CB killed Maddie if he didnt have that evidence...he would probably lose his job...that means to me.....he has the evidence..


CBs lawyer seems very keen to see the evidence....so I would think it certainly exists
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 16, 2020, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 16, 2020, 01:49:52 PM
I think you are in for  a big shock. I don't see how he would claim he has evidence to show CB killed Maddie if he didnt have that evidence...he would probably lose his job...that means to me.....he has the evidence..


CBs lawyer seems very keen to see the evidence....so I would think it certainly exists

Well I think you could be in for a big shock and it seems... So will HCW

What you have said is the way it worls ...sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesnt.

I think in this case it is not going to go the way he was hopping it would go.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 16, 2020, 07:53:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 16, 2020, 09:19:42 AM
I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction.

I think HCW is doing an excellent job. As I understand the German system is similar to Portugal and that as soon as CB is questioned as a suspect he must be given all the evidence against him. CBs lawyer is desperate to see the file but HCW is in no rush.  from what i can see  hes contacting all CB's known associates to find out if they have any knowledge of where CB was on 3,4,5 of may. My thoughts are CB wont have an alibi for these days and this combined with the other evidence will be enough to charge and perhaps convict...we will soon know

What evidence of abduction? The Germans have none imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 16, 2020, 07:56:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 16, 2020, 07:53:35 PM
What evidence of abduction? The Germans have none imo.

They could well have the abductor.  If they have enough evidence to show CB murdered MM then that's evidence of abduction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 16, 2020, 08:24:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 16, 2020, 07:53:35 PM
What evidence of abduction? The Germans have none imo.
They do however consider an accomplice/s associated with Brückner. My opinion is that Brückner has facilitated the removal of Madeleine but perhaps has no further involvement/knowledge as to what has happened to her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 16, 2020, 09:52:38 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 16, 2020, 08:24:21 PM
They do however consider an accomplice/s associated with Brückner. My opinion is that Brückner has facilitated the removal of Madeleine but perhaps has no further involvement/knowledge as to what has happened to her.

Exactly.

My thinking too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 16, 2020, 10:17:53 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 16, 2020, 01:20:35 PM

I think HCW is doing an excellent job.



Of course he is ...that is what Prosecutors  are trained to do...convince people.

Like they do.. when there job is to convince a jury -  they are guilty in summing up. ...they pull out all the stops.

Only this time it seems it's.. the people he is trying to convince..at least in a trial you have prooved evidence.

All he has now is words ....in the media...that are not worth the paper they are written in.
Kizzy could you stop using so many ellipses in your text please.   It is not considered good English to right like that. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 16, 2020, 10:20:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 16, 2020, 01:49:52 PM
I think you are in for  a big shock. I don't see how he would claim he has evidence to show CB killed Maddie if he didnt have that evidence...he would probably lose his job...that means to me.....he has the evidence..


CBs lawyer seems very keen to see the evidence....so I would think it certainly exists
Same goes for you Davel.  Complete your thoughts and write them down .... or I'll ..... delete ....future tense .... you know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 16, 2020, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 16, 2020, 07:56:51 PM
They could well have the abductor.  If they have enough evidence to show CB murdered MM then that's evidence of abduction

So your statement above is somewhat premature then;

snip/
"I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction."

In reality there's no evidence to see as yet. There may be IF they have the abductor and IF they can prove he murdered MM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 16, 2020, 10:33:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 16, 2020, 10:26:45 PM
So your statement above is somewhat premature then;

snip/
"I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction."

In reality there's no evidence to see as yet. There may be IF they have the abductor and IF they can prove he murdered MM.
If there was to be a trial, where would it be held, and would there be judges on the bench or a jury?  I get the feeling the outcome could be different depending as to which jurisdiction the trial would be held.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 16, 2020, 10:40:50 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 16, 2020, 10:20:01 PM
Same goes for you Davel.  Complete your thoughts and write them down .... or I'll ..... delete ....future tense .... you know.

Oh I use ellipses all the time.  Never heard the word ellipses applied to grammar until recently; to me the word means a shape rather like a squashed circle

I couldn't cope without grammatical Ellipses.   Apologies to any I offend, but soz, I will be using them in the future cos my grammar ain't strong enough without them
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 16, 2020, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 16, 2020, 10:33:25 PM
If there was to be a trial, where would it be held, and would there be judges on the bench or a jury?  I get the feeling the outcome could be different depending as to which jurisdiction the trial would be held.

Germany and Portugal both have civil law legal systems in which juries are rarely used. It's judges who decide on verdicts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 16, 2020, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 16, 2020, 10:17:53 PM
Kizzy could you stop using so many ellipses in your text please.   It is not considered good English to right like that.
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 16, 2020, 11:08:36 PM
Quote from: sadie on September 16, 2020, 10:40:50 PM
Oh I use ellipses all the time.  Never heard the word ellipses applied to grammar until recently; to me the word means a shape rather like a squashed circle

I couldn't cope without grammatical Ellipses.   Apologies to any I offend, but soz, I will be using them in the future cos my grammar ain't strong enough without them

An ellipse is a squashed circle. Strictly speaking an ellipsis is used to demonstrate the omission of text from a quoted source. It's indicated by three or four full stops depending on how much text has been omitted. They are also used to  indicate an unfinished thought, a leading statement, a slight pause, an echoing voice, or a nervous or awkward silence. Ellipses is the plural of both words.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 16, 2020, 11:54:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 16, 2020, 11:08:36 PM
An ellipse is a squashed circle. Strictly speaking an ellipsis is used to demonstrate the omission of text from a quoted source. It's indicated by three or four full stops depending on how much text has been omitted. They are also used to  indicate an unfinished thought, a leading statement, a slight pause, an echoing voice, or a nervous or awkward silence. Ellipses is the plural of both words.
AND apparently frowned upon on this forum for some unknown reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 12:37:11 AM
Quote from: sadie on September 16, 2020, 10:40:50 PM
Oh I use ellipses all the time.  Never heard the word ellipses applied to grammar until recently; to me the word means a shape rather like a squashed circle

I couldn't cope without grammatical Ellipses.   Apologies to any I offend, but soz, I will be using them in the future cos my grammar ain't strong enough without them
Because they express an incomplete thought, it is sometimes impossible to determine what is being said if too many ellipses are used.  It makes the job of the moderator even more difficult.  Everyone should try and be as clear as possible.   Thanks.


Ellipses | Punctuation Rules
www.grammarbook.com › punctuation › ellipses
Definition. An ellipsis (plural: ellipses) is a punctuation mark consisting of three dots. Use an ellipsis when omitting a word, phrase, line, paragraph, or more from ...

Singular - ellipsis ...
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 12:39:04 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 16, 2020, 11:03:03 PM
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Write not right ... got me good one there...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 17, 2020, 07:56:55 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 16, 2020, 10:20:01 PM
Same goes for you Davel.  Complete your thoughts and write them down .... or I'll ..... delete ....future tense .... you know.

I find this post pathetic, disruptive and childish. You may remember you started a similar campaign last year which caused massive disruption on the forum with John rulingthat it was perfectly acceptable. Do you want to reconsider Your post or do I need to contact John again. The forum has been flowing freely...might be  agood idea not to disrupt it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 17, 2020, 08:06:46 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 16, 2020, 10:26:45 PM
So your statement above is somewhat premature then;

snip/
"I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction."

In reality there's no evidence to see as yet. There may be IF they have the abductor and IF they can prove he murdered MM.


Just because theres no evidence to see doesnt mean it doesnt exist. You yourself has inferred that it doesnt ..which is premature. I think it's highly unlikely...based on the evidence...that HCW would claim he has the evidence if he doesnt.

Germany has strict privacy laws and I don't see taht HCW would break these laws recklessly
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 17, 2020, 08:48:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 17, 2020, 08:06:46 AM

Just because theres no evidence to see doesnt mean it doesnt exist. You yourself has inferred that it doesnt ..which is premature. I think it's highly unlikely...based on the evidence...that HCW would claim he has the evidence if he doesnt.

Germany has strict privacy laws and I don't see taht HCW would break these laws recklessly

Please ensure that you don't post opinion as fact again;

snip/
"I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 09:06:18 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 17, 2020, 07:56:55 AM
I find this post pathetic, disruptive and childish. You may remember you started a similar campaign last year which caused massive disruption on the forum with John rulingthat it was perfectly acceptable. Do you want to reconsider Your post or do I need to contact John again. The forum has been flowing freely...might be  agood idea not to disrupt it.
Are you not aware of the trouble G-unit was having with a specific post.   See how you misinterpreted my post to you.  You have no idea what I was saying because there were multiple ellipses in it.
On the whole you have lessened your use of ellipses and that has been much appreciated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 17, 2020, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 17, 2020, 08:48:42 AM
Please ensure that you don't post opinion as fact again;

snip/
"I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction."

the fact that i have used the word...I think...shows my post is opinion...have another read
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 09:08:41 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 17, 2020, 08:48:42 AM
Please ensure that you don't post opinion as fact again;

snip/
"I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction."
To me that is still opinion expressed as an opinion not as a fact.  "I think ...."  means it is an opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 17, 2020, 09:09:54 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 09:06:18 AM
Are you not aware of the trouble G-unit was having with a specific post.   See how you misinterpreted my post to you.  You have no idea what I was saying because there were multiple ellipses in it.
On the whole you have lessened your use of ellipses and that has been much appreciated.

you are posting your opinion as fact...it isnt. Your post was very easy to understand. Once more...imo...you are disrupting teh thread
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 17, 2020, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 09:08:41 AM
To me that is still opinion expressed as an opinion not as a fact.  "I think ...."  means it is an opinion.

thank you rob
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 17, 2020, 09:09:54 AM
you are posting your opinion as fact...it isnt. Your post was very easy to understand. Once more...imo...you are disrupting teh thread
So you think.   Back to the topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 17, 2020, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 17, 2020, 09:08:24 AM
the fact that i have used the word...I think...shows my post is opinion...have another read

snip/
"I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction.".

So you merely think that sceptics cannot bear to see evidence of abduction? Just as well, as there is none. Obviously there's no desperation either, or if there is there's another reason for it.

Never mind, perhaps Wolters will manage to find something some day to confirm his suspicions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 17, 2020, 09:45:01 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 17, 2020, 09:27:00 AM
snip/
"I think the desperation is coming from sceptics who just cannot bear to see evidence of abduction.".

So you merely think that sceptics cannot bear to see evidence of abduction? Just as well, as there is none. Obviously there's no desperation either, or if there is there's another reason for it.

Never mind, perhaps Wolters will manage to find something some day to confirm his suspicions.


You are stating opinion as fact...there may well be evidence of abduction based on the statement byHCW. That means you merely "think" there is no evidence when in fact there may well be.


To clarify....i dont just think scepetics cant bear to hear any evidence of abduction...I'm absolutely certain

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 17, 2020, 09:51:59 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 17, 2020, 08:06:46 AM

Just because theres no evidence to see doesnt mean it doesnt exist. You yourself has inferred that it doesnt ..which is premature. I think it's highly unlikely...based on the evidence...that HCW would claim he has the evidence if he doesnt.

Germany has strict privacy laws and I don't see taht HCW would break these laws recklessly

I watched a TV drama documentary programme on serial killer Dennis Nilson who was convicted of his crimes by a majority verdict.

This despite the fact that ...   the jury was unable to reach a unanimous verdict on his crimes.

It really isn't as easy as is made out by some to gather sufficient evidence which will stand in court to ensure the conviction of a perpetrator.
Nilson's jury could not agree. 

Now think of the uphill task facing German prosecutors in a thirteen+ year old cold case as they search for evidence connecting any individual even if the perpetrator to those events.

________________________________________________________


More on the drama from some of the police team who worked on the case ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8735607/Des-Police-reveal-David-Tennant-got-right-wrong-investigation.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 17, 2020, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 17, 2020, 09:51:59 AM
I watched a TV drama documentary programme on serial killer Dennis Nilson who was convicted of his crimes by a majority verdict.

This despite the fact that ...
  • he had initially cooperated with the police
  • he had confessed in detail to the crimes
  • he was able to confirm the names of missing people with the DNA profile of some remains
  • he had shown the police where he had burned some of the bodies in the garden of a previous residence from which forensic evidence proved his accuracy
  • boiled human heads were recovered from Nilson's flat
  • severed human legs were found
  the jury was unable to reach a unanimous verdict on his crimes.

It really isn't as easy as is made out by some to gather sufficient evidence which will stand in court to ensure the conviction of a perpetrator.
Nilson's jury could not agree. 

Now think of the uphill task facing German prosecutors in a thirteen+ year old cold case as they search for evidence connecting any individual even if the perpetrator to those events.

________________________________________________________


More on the drama from some of the police team who worked on the case ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8735607/Des-Police-reveal-David-Tennant-got-right-wrong-investigation.html

Absolutely right. HCW says he has evidence...he hasnt said he has proof and that is why he is not as yet interviwing CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 17, 2020, 10:10:22 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 17, 2020, 09:54:47 AM
Absolutely right. HCW says he has evidence...he hasnt said he has proof and that is why he is not as yet interviwing CB

What he says he has ....and what he has is two different things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 12:07:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 17, 2020, 09:45:01 AM

You are stating opinion as fact...there may well be evidence of abduction based on the statement byHCW. That means you merely "think" there is no evidence when in fact there may well be.


To clarify....i dont just think scepetics cant bear to hear any evidence of abduction...I'm absolutely certain
Even if you are "absolutely certain" its still just your opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 17, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 12:07:52 PM
Even if you are "absolutely certain" its still just your opinion.

And therefore I'm free to post it....and perhaps gunit should stop falsely accusing me of posting opinion as fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 17, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
And therefore I'm free to post it....and perhaps gunit should stop falsely accusing me of posting opinion as fact
Opinion as fact would have to be something like saying something without any reference to yourself.
Like saying "it is a fact" when it actually is something  that you are just "absolutely certain of" and you are not aware of a cite which backs your claim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 17, 2020, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 12:19:16 PM
Opinion as fact would have to be something like saying something without any reference to yourself.
Like saying "it is a fact" when it actually is something  that you are just "absolutely certain of" and you are not aware of a cite which backs your claim.

You don't need to expalin anything to me...it seems its gunit and kizzy who don't understand
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 17, 2020, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 17, 2020, 12:20:48 PM
You don't need to expalin anything to me...it seems its gunit and kizzy who don't understand
Hopefully I've explained it correctly and they read my reply to your post.   I think you understand it OK.  It has taken me a while to understand the finer points of it.  There are so many ways things can be expressed it gets totally tricky to judge as a moderator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 17, 2020, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 13, 2020, 09:03:45 AM
According to the Sun CB’s lawyer met with Amaral on his visit to Portugal.   I can’t see what help Gonc can be to Bruckner unless he’s agreed to sort out an alibi for his client...
^^^ what did I tell you?!  8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 17, 2020, 06:29:01 PM
Nothing to suggest anything to with Madeleine then.


SICK PIC HUNT Madeleine McCann cops dug up suspect Christian B’s allotment hunting for sick pics he may have buried, cop reveals

That dig stemmed from an investigation into the disappearance of a five-year-old girl during which child porn was found when cops searched a farm house.

"With regard to the excavations in Hanover, I would therefore only like to add that the search was not based on a current, specific indication, but rather the result of routine investigative work.

"So there was no specific search for something special. Rather, as part of the investigation, all places where the accused had stayed for a long time were checked for the presence of any evidence.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12694929/madeleine-mccann-dug-up-christian-b-hunting-pics/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 17, 2020, 07:40:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 17, 2020, 05:37:16 PM
^^^ what dd I tell you?!  8(>((

I'm sure its all quite deserved .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on September 18, 2020, 01:27:58 AM
I knew I vaguely remembered something about a van seen near where Joana disappeared.

'Disturbing Similarities' With Madeleine

12:48pm UK, Monday May 12, 2008
Alex Watts, Sky News Online

The family of a girl who vanished just seven miles from the Portuguese resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared are convinced the cases are connected.


Joana was last seen near church

On the day of Madeleine's fifth birthday, Joana Cipriano's relatives have urged detectives to investigate links between the two disappearances - saying there are too many disturbing similarities for the evidence to be ignored.

Joana, eight, was sent to buy some groceries from a village store near her home in Figueira, at around 8pm on September 12, 2004.

She bought a tin of tuna and some milk from the Ofelia store, and was last seen by a neighbour walking back near the village church, some 200 yards from her home.

Joana never returned and, like the McCanns, her mother Leonor mounted a campaign to find her. Like them, she and her brother Joao became suspects.

The case, which ended with the pair being sentenced to 21 years, made Portuguese legal history - it was the first murder trial where a body was never found.

Police officers are due to go on trial later this year for allegedly beating and torturing Leonor to make her confess.

Joana's relatives told Sky News Online the pair are innocent and believe whoever took the girl is also behind Madeleine's disappearance, seven miles away in Praia da Luz.

The family, who do not want to be named, said: "This sort of thing doesn't happen in Portugal - child abductions are very rare.

"Whoever took Joana took Madeleine too, the distance is too small. And the police ignored everything we told them, they just wanted to solve the case quickly.

"They didn't look at any of the things we told them about."

They said the most crucial bit of evidence was a white and brown camper van, parked near Joana's home in the days before she was abducted.

The vehicle, with German number plates, disappeared around the time she vanished.

They added: "There was a man living in there, but he hardly left the van. A week later the van was found abandoned in farmland in Praia da Luz. We told the police to investigate it, but they didn't listen to us."

She said the man had short, curly brown hair and was about 40 years old.

A suspect in the Madeleine case, spotted acting suspiciously near the apartment where she vanished on May 3 last year, was described as between 35 and 40, with long, straggly hair.

Criminologist and child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas believes there are far too many similarities between the two cases for it not to be a strong line of police inquiry.

He says that because of the huge doubts over the Cipriano convictions, whoever abducted Joana is more than likely to be behind Madeleine's disappearance.

Like Madeleine's case, the police investigation got off to a bad start, with officers failing to seal off the house where she was last seen.

Leonor alleges police beat her to make her confess. A photograph of her heavily-bruised face was published in Portuguese newspapers.

Goncalo Amaral, a senior detective who was sacked from the Madeleine case, is one of the five officers charged in connection with extracting the confession.

The indictment reportedly alleges that they kicked her, hit her with a cardboard tube, put a plastic bag over her head, and made her kneel on glass ashtrays.

Amaral faces charges of negligence and perjury, another officer is accused of fabricating a document, and the three others are charged with torture

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/disturbing-similarities-with-madeleine-sky-12-05-0-t7551.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 18, 2020, 08:04:19 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 17, 2020, 06:29:01 PM
Nothing to suggest anything to with Madeleine then.


SICK PIC HUNT Madeleine McCann cops dug up suspect Christian B’s allotment hunting for sick pics he may have buried, cop reveals

That dig stemmed from an investigation into the disappearance of a five-year-old girl during which child porn was found when cops searched a farm house.

"With regard to the excavations in Hanover, I would therefore only like to add that the search was not based on a current, specific indication, but rather the result of routine investigative work.

"So there was no specific search for something special. Rather, as part of the investigation, all places where the accused had stayed for a long time were checked for the presence of any evidence.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12694929/madeleine-mccann-dug-up-christian-b-hunting-pics/
[...opening bars of Billie Jean slowly build.........]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 18, 2020, 08:09:02 AM
Quote from: The General on September 18, 2020, 08:04:19 AM
[...opening bars of Billie Jean slowly build.........]

not for me...everything thats happenening fits. if you read the article ...it is the  sun so has to be taken carefully......but it seems to me they dug as  aresult oif finding buried memeory sticks in another place. why would they take on such  amassive dig....only if the prevuious found memory sticks had revealed concrete evidence...imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 18, 2020, 08:18:35 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 18, 2020, 08:09:02 AM
not for me...everything thats happenening fits. if you read the article ...it is the  sun so has to be taken carefully......but it seems to me they dug as  aresult oif finding buried memeory sticks in another place. why would they take on such  amassive dig....only if the prevuious found memory sticks had revealed concrete evidence...imo
Because it's part of a much larger piece of work, trying to dismantle a network of nonces. Do you really think they would expend such unprecedented resources on one sex case who they've already got locked up?
No, he's the sprat; the mackerel is a Europe wide paedophile ring.
At least the Germans seem to be unrestrained in smashing these filthy monsters, whereas here in the UK there are too many with a vested interest in any of it being brought out of the fog.
....when moonwalking always keep the sliding foot flat - that's the key.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 18, 2020, 08:21:23 AM
Quote from: The General on September 18, 2020, 08:18:35 AM
Because it's part of a much larger piece of work, trying to dismantle a network of nonces. Do you really think they would expend such unprecedented resources on one sex case who they've already got locked up?
No, he's the sprat; the mackerel is a Europe wide paedophile ring.
At least the Germans seem to be unrestrained in smashing these filthy monsters, whereas here in the UK there are too many with a vested interest in any of it being brought out of the fog.
....when moonwalking always keep the sliding foot flat - that's the key.
Tin foil hats ahoy!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 18, 2020, 09:05:26 AM
Quote from: The General on September 18, 2020, 08:18:35 AM
Because it's part of a much larger piece of work, trying to dismantle a network of nonces. Do you really think they would expend such unprecedented resources on one sex case who they've already got locked up?
No, he's the sprat; the mackerel is a Europe wide paedophile ring.
At least the Germans seem to be unrestrained in smashing these filthy monsters, whereas here in the UK there are too many with a vested interest in any of it being brought out of the fog.
....when moonwalking always keep the sliding foot flat - that's the key.

So let's congratulate HCW for his work.... I agree with that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 18, 2020, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 18, 2020, 09:05:26 AM
So let's congratulate HCW for his work.... I agree with that
You congratulate anyone you like, I'll reserve judgement a go with the pure facts. Like the fact that he's referencing the EVRD pooches. And he's right to.
He's giving another cryptic eulogy tonight, I believe, let's see what he half-says this time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 18, 2020, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: The General on September 18, 2020, 09:51:43 AM
You congratulate anyone you like, I'll reserve judgement a go with the pure facts. Like the fact that he's referencing the EVRD pooches. And he's right to.
He's giving another cryptic eulogy tonight, I believe, let's see what he half-says this time.

Opinion as fact... But it seems no one really cares, about the rules of the forum
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 18, 2020, 10:32:26 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 18, 2020, 10:25:31 AM
Opinion as fact... But it seems no one really cares, about the rules of the forum
Which bit was opinion as fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 18, 2020, 10:38:26 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 18, 2020, 10:32:26 AM
Which bit was opinion as fact.

Like the fact that he's referencing the EVRD pooches. And he's right to.

He hasn't referred t o the dogs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 18, 2020, 11:01:00 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 18, 2020, 10:38:26 AM
Like the fact that he's referencing the EVRD pooches. And he's right to.

He hasn't referred t o the dogs
I beg to differ. It's factual opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 18, 2020, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: The General on September 18, 2020, 11:01:00 AM
I beg to differ. It's factual opinion.

I do understand  you are just wishing to wind the forum up... That's why I take little notice of what you post... Most of it's drivel in my factual opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 18, 2020, 11:22:31 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 18, 2020, 11:12:08 AM
I do understand  you are just wishing to wind the forum up... That's why I take little notice of what you post... Most of it's drivel in my factual opinion
That's not factual opinion, that's just opinion.
And please desist from the ad hom. It's Friday. I thought we were pals? Bunk beds, Singapore Vermicelli, activities?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 18, 2020, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 17, 2020, 09:51:59 AM
I watched a TV drama documentary programme on serial killer Dennis Nilson who was convicted of his crimes by a majority verdict.

This despite the fact that ...
  • he had initially cooperated with the police
  • he had confessed in detail to the crimes
  • he was able to confirm the names of missing people with the DNA profile of some remains
  • he had shown the police where he had burned some of the bodies in the garden of a previous residence from which forensic evidence proved his accuracy
  • boiled human heads were recovered from Nilson's flat
  • severed human legs were found
  the jury was unable to reach a unanimous verdict on his crimes.

It really isn't as easy as is made out by some to gather sufficient evidence which will stand in court to ensure the conviction of a perpetrator.
Nilson's jury could not agree. 

Now think of the uphill task facing German prosecutors in a thirteen+ year old cold case as they search for evidence connecting any individual even if the perpetrator to those events.

________________________________________________________


More on the drama from some of the police team who worked on the case ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8735607/Des-Police-reveal-David-Tennant-got-right-wrong-investigation.html



Now think of the uphill task facing German prosecutors in a thirteen+ year old cold case as they search for evidence connecting any individual even if the perpetrator to those events.

IMO What about the task the Portuguese police had ....with all the UK interference.

The germans it seems I would think the biggest task would be to follow with evidence what they have been saying they have for almost four months. against CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 18, 2020, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 18, 2020, 11:46:14 AM


Now think of the uphill task facing German prosecutors in a thirteen+ year old cold case as they search for evidence connecting any individual even if the perpetrator to those events.

IMO What about the task the Portuguese police had ....with all the UK interference.

The germans it seems I would think the biggest task would be to follow with evidence what they have been saying they have for almost four months. against CB

Some of us already understand the uphill task and that's why it's taking time.  Until we know what evidence HCW, has, we won't know.  But has gunit has pointed out.. He's unlikely  to say what he has said unless he is sure of what he's, saying
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 18, 2020, 12:06:13 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 18, 2020, 11:46:14 AM


Now think of the uphill task facing German prosecutors in a thirteen+ year old cold case as they search for evidence connecting any individual even if the perpetrator to those events.

IMO What about the task the Portuguese police had ....with all the UK interference.

The germans it seems I would think the biggest task would be to follow with evidence what they have been saying they have for almost four months. against CB

I have quoted a case where the confessed perpetrator of the slaughter of goodness knows how many young men blocked the drains of one house with their remains and turned the garden of another into a crematorium and cemetery for others of his victims ~ yet the jury at his trial could not agree and he had to be sentenced as a result after a majority verdict was returned.

The Germans have a monumental task in hand and I wish them all the good fortune possible to bring it to a proper and just conclusion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 18, 2020, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 18, 2020, 11:53:43 AM
Some of us already understand the uphill task and that's why it's taking time.  Until we know what evidence HCW, has, we won't know.  But has gunit has pointed out.. He's unlikely  to say what he has said unless he is sure of what he's, saying

 He's unlikely  to say what he has said unless he is sure of what he's, saying

Oh lol .......how does that work then - we already know what he is saying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 18, 2020, 02:09:54 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 18, 2020, 11:46:14 AM


Now think of the uphill task facing German prosecutors in a thirteen+ year old cold case as they search for evidence connecting any individual even if the perpetrator to those events.

IMO What about the task the Portuguese police had ....with all the UK interference.

The germans it seems I would think the biggest task would be to follow with evidence what they have been saying they have for almost four months. against CB

Didn't you hear him saying its not enough?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 18, 2020, 03:50:42 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 18, 2020, 02:09:54 PM
Didn't you hear him saying its not enough?

What isnt enough ...evidence against CB or the mccs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 18, 2020, 06:21:45 PM
More on 'Christian the Climber'...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12700747/the-climber-christian-b-took-maddie/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12700747/the-climber-christian-b-took-maddie/)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 18, 2020, 06:33:20 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 18, 2020, 06:21:45 PM
More on 'Christian the Climber'...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12700747/the-climber-christian-b-took-maddie/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12700747/the-climber-christian-b-took-maddie/)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html)

Just because some one is capable doesn't mean to say he actually did it, good to see the lead investigators are on it(brit Press).

Rowley:There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 18, 2020, 06:53:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 18, 2020, 06:33:20 PM
Just because some one is capable doesn't mean to say he actually did it, good to see the lead investigators are on it(brit Press).

Rowley:There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.
So far it would seem CB has means, motive and opportunity, which still doesn’t mean he dunnit but which means he certainly can’t be ruled out - by a long stretch!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 18, 2020, 07:43:53 PM
What's his motive ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 18, 2020, 07:49:49 PM
Quote from: jassi on September 18, 2020, 07:43:53 PM
What's his motive ?
He’s a paedo who likes raping vulnerable people.  Perhaps you can work it out for yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 18, 2020, 07:50:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 18, 2020, 07:49:49 PM
He’s a paedo who likes raping vulnerable people.  Perhaps you can work it out for yourself.

You think that's what he did to Madeleine ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 18, 2020, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on September 18, 2020, 07:50:29 PM
You think that's what he did to Madeleine ?
I always thought Madeleine was likely abducted by a paedophile.  CB is a paedophile who lived in the same small town, had a history of breaking into holiday apartments and is known to have raped a vulnerable person on one such break in.  I think he fits the profile of someone who would take a small child from a holiday apartment in PdL.  He had the means, the motive and the opportunity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 18, 2020, 09:14:40 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 18, 2020, 08:02:29 PM
I always thought Madeleine was likely abducted by a paedophile.  CB is a paedophile who lived in the same small town, had a history of breaking into holiday apartments and is known to have raped a vulnerable person on one such break in.  I think he fits the profile of someone who would take a small child from a holiday apartment in PdL.  He had the means, the motive and the opportunity.
I totally agree, VS.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 18, 2020, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 18, 2020, 08:02:29 PM
I always thought Madeleine was likely abducted by a paedophile.  CB is a paedophile who lived in the same small town, had a history of breaking into holiday apartments and is known to have raped a vulnerable person on one such break in.  I think he fits the profile of someone who would take a small child from a holiday apartment in PdL.  He had the means, the motive and the opportunity.
Is it proven he was even in Luz that night,no charges suggest they can't pin it on him any more than anyone else.Waiting for charges, won't t be long now. (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 18, 2020, 10:21:32 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 18, 2020, 10:18:19 PM

It means ROFL. Roll on the floor laughing, although not literally.
Sometimes it's just a mild snort through the nostrils accompanied by a wry smile.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 18, 2020, 10:29:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 18, 2020, 10:13:58 PM
Is it proven he was even in Luz that night,no charges suggest they can't pin it on him any more than anyone else.Waiting for charges, won't t be long now. (&^&
It’s proven his phone was used in PdL.  Do you think he lent his phone to someone while he was far from home that evening?  Of course, you’ll believe whatever you want to believe, I believe the smile will be wiped off your face sooner or later.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 18, 2020, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 27, 2020, 11:09:30 PM
Gonçalo Amaral shows robot portrait of suspect in Maddie case in 2007 that belies German version

Gonçalo Amaral released a photomontage of what Christian Brueckner had at the time of Maddie's disappearance.

June 26, 2020 at 3:02 pm

(https://cdn3.cmjornal.pt/images/2020-06/img_900x509$2020_06_26_13_52_40_952457.jpg)

For Gonçalo Amaral, a former inspector of the Judiciary Police, Christian Brueckner is the "almost perfect suspect" in the case of Maddie McCann. In an interview with Jornal do Centro , Amaral released an image of the German with long hair that he claims corresponds to the image that he would have at the time of Maddie's disappearance.

The former PJ pointed out what he considers flaws in the English and German police in conducting the process. One of the inconsistencies pointed out is related to the images released by the German, which correspond to his current image and not to the one he had 13 years ago, when the crime occurred.

"I cannot say that someone recognizes someone by an image of the person who is already a few years old. People change (...) Showing images of the person at 43 years of age is not the same thing as showing the person at 30" , said, during the interview.

The former coordinator of the Portimão PJ points out that the robot portraits released by the authorities at the time of the crime show a suspect with short hair, a fact that appears to be innocent for Christian Bruecker, who in 2007 would have long hair behind his back.

"In 2007 there are people who claim that his figure is not with short hair. He looked like a hippie and wore long hair behind his back. And the cops know that," he said.

To consolidate his statements, Gonçalo Amaral himself decided to present a reconstruction of what the German would look like in the year that Maddie disappeared. Using an image of Brueckner in 2006, a year before Maddie's disappearance, and using an image manipulation program, the ex-PJ presented a photomontage of the suspect with long hair.

Amaral concludes his theory with the fact that most of the witnesses in the case stated that the suspect was similar to Madeleine McCann's father, allegations corroborated by the English police. "I wonder where this individual resembles Mr. Gerard McCann", he asks.

The former PJ devalues ​​the new evidence linking Christian Brueckner to the investigation of the disappearance of the English girl and asks for more concrete evidence to consolidate a "serious investigation".

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/goncalo-amaral-mostra-retrato-robo-de-suspeito-do-suspeito-do-caso-maddie-em-2007-que-desmente-versao-alema
Yes it did happen, Amaral caught out in a bare-faced lie, but why is the General protecting Amaral’s sorry arse? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 19, 2020, 05:25:57 AM
Quote from: Erngath on September 18, 2020, 10:18:19 PM
It's strange that you add that silly laughing emoticon to your post.
Its laughable some have fallen for the salacious gossip from the rags that the new suspect is the one who did for Madeleine.Won't be long now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 19, 2020, 06:58:42 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 05:25:57 AM
Its laughable some have fallen for the salacious gossip from the rags that the new suspect is the one who did for Madeleine.Won't be long now.
4th  Of June, from the Mirror,Almost enough evidence to charge suspect with Murder,it's now September,won't be long now.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 19, 2020, 07:11:25 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 05:25:57 AM
Its laughable some have fallen for the salacious gossip from the rags that the new suspect is the one who did for Madeleine.Won't be long now.
Pathetic comment, designed to insult and goad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 19, 2020, 07:13:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 06:58:42 AM
4th  Of June, from the Mirror,Almost enough evidence to charge suspect with Murder,it's now September,won't be long now.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055
You clearly get a kick out of taunting people about this.  How about exercising some maturity and restraint  for once?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 07:18:24 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 05:25:57 AM
Its laughable some have fallen for the salacious gossip from the rags that the new suspect is the one who did for Madeleine.Won't be long now.

From the poster who's laughable mantra is..
Amaral hasn't been proved, wrong yet.
I don't think you are in any position to use the word laughable

Let me know when he's been proven innocent.. Let me know when Wolters, has been proven wrong... Until then he's, guilty in the court of public opinion in my book
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 19, 2020, 07:30:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 07:18:24 AM
From the poster who's laughable mantra is..
Amaral hasn't been proved, wrong yet.
I don't think you are in any position to use the word laughable

Let me know when he's been proven innocent.. Let me know when Wolters, has been proven wrong... Until then he's, guilty in the court of public opinion in my book
Quite.  The supreme irony is that Barrier has presumably waithing seven plus years for the scales to fall away from the eyes of the police and for the McCanns to be charged - won’t be long now...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 07:37:54 AM
At the very least Wolters has educated sceptics... He's helped them learn about human rights and innocent until proven guilty.  They just need, to introduce these principles  into  their everyday life now
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 19, 2020, 08:04:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 07:37:54 AM
At the very least Wolters has educated sceptics... He's helped them learn about human rights and innocent until proven guilty.  They just need, to introduce these principles  into  their everyday life now
You think they think those old things apply to the McCanns?  No chance.  Only to rapists and paedophiles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 08:06:11 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 19, 2020, 08:04:38 AM
You think they think those old things apply to the McCanns?  No chance.  Only to rapists and paedophiles.

It's laughable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 19, 2020, 08:44:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 07:18:24 AM
From the poster who's laughable mantra is..
Amaral hasn't been proved, wrong yet.
I don't think you are in any position to use the word laughable

Let me know when he's been proven innocent.. Let me know when Wolters, has been proven wrong... Until then he's, guilty in the court of public opinion in my book

Attack the post not the poster,Rob do your job.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 09:23:29 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 08:44:40 AM
Attack the post not the poster,Rob do your job.

your post...

Its laughable some have fallen for the salacious gossip from the rags that the new suspect is the one who did for Madeleine.Won't be long now.

I see this as directed towards posters such as myself...please correct me if I'm wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 07:37:54 AM
At the very least Wolters has educated sceptics... He's helped them learn about human rights and innocent until proven guilty.  They just need, to introduce these principles  into  their everyday life now

Wolters has demonstrated how not to interact with the media in my opinion. He has caused a media circus and it's all based on rumour and guesswork in my opinion.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 09:32:04 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 18, 2020, 10:13:58 PM
Is it proven he was even in Luz that night,no charges suggest they can't pin it on him any more than anyone else.Waiting for charges, won't t be long now. (&^&
Brückner’s words to his former girlfriend, ‘tomorrow I have a horrible job to do in Praia da Luz. You won’t see me any time soon’ indicate his presence in PdL on 3 May 2007. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 09:34:10 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 09:29:27 AM
Wolters has demonstrated how not to interact with the media in my opinion. He has caused a media circus and it's all based on rumour and guesswork in my opinion.

How much do you think your opinions worth in a situation where Wolters is contradicting everything you have been saying for many years. I think hes doing a brilliant job....but of course hes confirming everything Ive been saying
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 09:36:51 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 09:32:04 AM
Brückner’s words to his former girlfriend, ‘tomorrow I have a horrible job to do in Praia da Luz. You won’t see me any time soon’ indicate his presence in PdL on 3 May 2007. My opinion.

And confirms my thoughts that he wont be able to account for his movements on 2,4,5 may.highly significant. in the gilroy case his failure to exoalin his movements was  acrucial piece of evidence...silence is not golden
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 19, 2020, 09:41:39 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 09:32:04 AM
Brückner’s words to his former girlfriend, ‘tomorrow I have a horrible job to do in Praia da Luz. You won’t see me any time soon’ indicate his presence in PdL on 3 May 2007. My opinion.

Yet they can't pin the tail on that particular donkey.Won't be long now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 19, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 09:29:27 AM
Wolters has demonstrated how not to interact with the media in my opinion. He has caused a media circus and it's all based on rumour and guesswork in my opinion.

He's a chancer imo, he hasn't got diddly squat. A glory hunter who has only found ridicule and derision instead. Brunt made him look like a prize idiot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on September 19, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 19, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
He's a chancer imo, he hasn't got diddly squat. A glory hunter who has only found ridicule and derision instead. Brunt made him look like a prize idiot.

brunt is  an idiot himself after the brenda leyland  situation   IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 09:58:44 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 19, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
He's a chancer imo, he hasn't got diddly squat. A glory hunter who has only found ridicule and derision instead.

When you say he hasnt got diddly squat.....that actually means he has something and on that I agree with you.

The only people who ridicule him are those who cannot accept he may have found an abductor. Is he not the person who prosecuted the rape case where the PJ failed miserably
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on September 19, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
brunt is  an idiot himself after the brenda leyland  situation   IMO

some think it was brenda who was the silly one
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 10:01:41 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 09:41:39 AM
Yet they can't pin the tail on that particular donkey.Won't be long now.

amaral has been trying to pin it on the McCanns for 13 years....deluded or what
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 19, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
He's a chancer imo, he hasn't got diddly squat. A glory hunter who has only found ridicule and derision instead. Brunt made him look like a prize idiot.

what you are describing is how many see amaral ....hes had 13 yeras to produce something. Wolters i think will come up with the goods
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 10:17:52 AM
https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/sexta-as-9-alegado-assassino-de-madeleine-mccann-alterou-fisionomia-em-2007_v1260163
Last night’s program.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 19, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
Has anyone translated that into English?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 19, 2020, 10:49:13 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 10:17:52 AM
https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/sexta-as-9-alegado-assassino-de-madeleine-mccann-alterou-fisionomia-em-2007_v1260163
Last night’s program.

Thanks for that Anthro.
I won't have time to watch until later but the introduction caught my eye.

Snip
Friday at 9 discovered evidence that Christian Bruckner changed his face in late 2007. 13 years ago, Bruckner was quite different. Important facts to accuse him of that of a German child he abused a month before Madeleine Mccann disappeared.

Christian Bruckner had four teeth from top to bottom, just as the last victim revealed by the German authorities, described him.

Friday at 9 found out that Bruckner had an intervention on his teeth in Wurzburg in late 2007.

And this physical detail could be crucial to formally accuse him at least in the case of Joana Eiltz, the 10-year-old German child that Bruckner sexually abused in Salema beach in the Algarve, less than a month before Madeleine disappeared.


So he had cosmetic dental work carried out after Madeleine's disappearance.

Prominent teeth feature in one 'robot' image.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 19, 2020, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 19, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
Has anyone translated that into English?

Joan Morais usually translates McCann related programmes from Portuguese into English.  Shouldn't be long now.

Although I think there may be a bit of a backlog at the moment as, in the interests of freedom of speech, I think she tends to be a bit selective.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 11:19:20 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 19, 2020, 10:49:13 AM
Thanks for that Anthro.
I won't have time to watch until later but the introduction caught my eye.

Snip
Friday at 9 discovered evidence that Christian Bruckner changed his face in late 2007. 13 years ago, Bruckner was quite different. Important facts to accuse him of that of a German child he abused a month before Madeleine Mccann disappeared.

Christian Bruckner had four teeth from top to bottom, just as the last victim revealed by the German authorities, described him.

Friday at 9 found out that Bruckner had an intervention on his teeth in Wurzburg in late 2007.

And this physical detail could be crucial to formally accuse him at least in the case of Joana Eiltz, the 10-year-old German child that Bruckner sexually abused in Salema beach in the Algarve, less than a month before Madeleine disappeared.


So he had cosmetic dental work carried out after Madeleine's disappearance.

Prominent teeth feature in one 'robot' image.  Just a thought.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 19, 2020, 10:55:35 AM
Joan Morais usually translates McCann related programmes from Portuguese into English.  Shouldn't be long now.

Although I think there may be a bit of a backlog at the moment as, in the interests of freedom of speech, I think she tends to be a bit selective.

She hasn’t posted anything on the case in years so why would you assume she’d do so now ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 11:19:20 AM


The likeness is uncanny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 12:17:16 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 11:48:22 AM
The likeness is uncanny.

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 02:41:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 12:17:16 PM
@)(++(*
The way in which you conduct yourself as moderator, leaves a lot to be desired. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 02:53:19 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 11:48:22 AM
The likeness is uncanny.
Have you familiarised yourself with the content of the uploaded link re. Brückner’s orthodontist procedure in 2007? I also suggest you take another look at the Cooper e-fit. Brückner is known to have had wigs, costumes and props.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 11:19:20 AM


if you look at the shape of the face...the shape of the nose...as you have said with his bag of props this could very well be him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 19, 2020, 03:20:07 PM
In actual fact you have that completely wrong.
Joana Morais continues to translate what it suits her to translate as she has been doing since 2007.

I think her bias has had a great influence on sceptic opinion.  But there is no balance nor even lip service to free speech if she only translates articles with the prejudices of that audience firmly in mind.


Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 11:47:49 AM
She hasn’t posted anything on the case in years so why would you assume she’d do so now ?

Gonçalo Amaral on CdM: "Enough with the lies"
(https://external.flhr2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAGwEcpxfwErJH9&w=476&h=249&url=https%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-qp_NZ8PsHmc%2FXvjbllbdkAI%2FAAAAAAAASoM%2F0YOrZLwaGZ8OfZzOni-zoVxMyJEty3KvgCLcBGAsYHQ%2Fw1200-h630-p-k-no-nu%2Fcorte.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_cb=1&_nc_hash=AQBWlo1f7SUUiTTR)
Article translated by Joana Morais.

"Enough with the lies": Gonçalo Amaral calls into question the statement of a McCann friend and believes that the solution to the Maddie case "may be in there"

Former inspector points out flaws in the German police investigation and defends Judiciary Police

From TEXTUSA blogspot and Twitter
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 19, 2020, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 19, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
Has anyone translated that into English?

Yeah,we don't know who did it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 19, 2020, 04:29:13 PM
'Everything we have points to her being dead': Prosecutor investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance says there is 'nothing' suggesting she is still alive, but admits there is no 'smoking gun' evidence on prime suspect Christian Brueckner


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8749531/amp/Prosecutor-investigating-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance-says-suggests-alive.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 04:38:42 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 04:29:13 PM
'Everything we have points to her being dead': Prosecutor investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance says there is 'nothing' suggesting she is still alive, but admits there is no 'smoking gun' evidence on prime suspect Christian Brueckner


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8749531/amp/Prosecutor-investigating-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance-says-suggests-alive.html

I would rather accept what he actually says than what a newspaper reports
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 19, 2020, 05:00:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 19, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
He's a chancer imo, he hasn't got diddly squat. A glory hunter who has only found ridicule and derision instead. Brunt made him look like a prize idiot.
In your opinion, not in mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 02:53:19 PM
Have you familiarised yourself with the content of the uploaded link re. Brückner’s orthodontist procedure in 2007? I also suggest you take another look at the Cooper e-fit. Brückner is known to have had wigs, costumes and props.

Except none of that is true.

A tabloid says that Brueckner has had treatment.
There is no link between the man Cooper saw and the case, never mind Brueckner.
Wigs were allegedly found at a property owned by Brueckner. What they were used for is unknown.

If there was any doubt that the drip, drip of this tabloid rubbish works they need look no further than you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 19, 2020, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 09:41:39 AM
Yet they can't pin the tail on that particular donkey.Won't be long now.

I read it will take them into the new year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 19, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 09:42:27 AM
Worth reading for amusement value. ?>)()<

That sounds quite arrogant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 19, 2020, 06:51:28 PM
Quote from: carlymichelle on September 19, 2020, 09:05:16 AM
i keep davel on ignore   he isnt worth  bothering   with  imo

Have you got us all on ignore?  As you don't seem to answer or debate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 06:57:28 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 05:57:10 PM
Except none of that is true.

A tabloid says that Brueckner has had treatment.
There is no link between the man Cooper saw and the case, never mind Brueckner.
Wigs were allegedly found at a property owned by Brueckner. What they were used for is unknown.

If there was any doubt that the drip, drip of this tabloid rubbish works they need look no further than you.

Except none of that is true. How do you know if it’s true or not? Also, is ridicule your only defense?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 19, 2020, 07:00:16 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 19, 2020, 06:51:28 PM


Have you got us all on ignore?  As you don't seem to answer or debate.
I keep Carly on ignore, she isn’t worth bothering with imo.

It will be interesting to see if I get a warning for writing that, because I am basically paraphrasing Carly who didn’t.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 19, 2020, 07:01:17 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 06:57:28 PM
Except none of that is true. How do you know if it’s true or not? Also, is ridicule your only defense?
I keep Faithlilly on ignore - she isn’t worth bothering with imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 07:01:50 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 02:41:10 PM
The way in which you conduct yourself as moderator, leaves a lot to be desired. My opinion.

Are you complaining about my moderation decisions? The correct procedure is to p.m. John or Admin if you feel you have been moderated unfairly.

If you are complaining about what I choose to post there's a 'report to moderator' button you can press below each post.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:03:00 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 06:57:28 PM
Except none of that is true. How do you know if it’s true or not? Also, is ridicule your only defense?

Defence ? Why in heavens should I need a defence ?

The paucity of actual evidence in your argument does make it hard to debate with you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: Brietta on September 19, 2020, 03:20:07 PM
In actual fact you have that completely wrong.
Joana Morais continues to translate what it suits her to translate as she has been doing since 2007.

I think her bias has had a great influence on sceptic opinion.  But there is no balance nor even lip service to free speech if she only translates articles with the prejudices of that audience firmly in mind.


Gonçalo Amaral on CdM: "Enough with the lies"
(https://external.flhr2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAGwEcpxfwErJH9&w=476&h=249&url=https%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-qp_NZ8PsHmc%2FXvjbllbdkAI%2FAAAAAAAASoM%2F0YOrZLwaGZ8OfZzOni-zoVxMyJEty3KvgCLcBGAsYHQ%2Fw1200-h630-p-k-no-nu%2Fcorte.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_cb=1&_nc_hash=AQBWlo1f7SUUiTTR)
Article translated by Joana Morais.

"Enough with the lies": Gonçalo Amaral calls into question the statement of a McCann friend and believes that the solution to the Maddie case "may be in there"

Former inspector points out flaws in the German police investigation and defends Judiciary Police

From TEXTUSA blogspot and Twitter

Hadn’t seen this but then I have a life outside of this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 07:08:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 07:01:50 PM
Are you complaining about my moderation decisions? The correct procedure is to p.m. John or Admin if you feel you have been moderated unfairly.

If you are complaining about what I choose to post there's a 'report to moderator' button you can press below each post.

As if John or Admin need yet another PM.  There is more of that going on than ever there was Reporting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 07:23:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:06:36 PM
Hadn’t seen this but then I have a life outside of this case.

We only have your word for that.... And it's the quality  that counts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 07:01:50 PM
Are you complaining about my moderation decisions? The correct procedure is to p.m. John or Admin if you feel you have been moderated unfairly.

If you are complaining about what I choose to post there's a 'report to moderator' button you can press below each post.
Thanks, I know what the forum rules entail. I am not complaining. I have made a direct observation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:30:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 07:23:10 PM
We only have your word for that.... And it's the quality  that counts

Quality is subjective.

I see you’re hiding your online status. I seem to have touched a nerve.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 07:33:18 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:30:05 PM
Quality is subjective.

I see you’re hiding your online status. I seem to have touched a nerve.

I only discovered it recentley and have done so ever since.....you haven't managed to get anywhere near a nerve....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:34:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 07:33:18 PM
I only discovered it recentley and have done so ever since.....you haven't managed to get anywhere near a nerve....

Of course, of course  @)(++(*

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:34:17 PM
Of course, of course  @)(++(*

mmm...an emoticon...I feel their use is inversely proportional to the posters intelligence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 07:40:12 PM
Please try to post on topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 07:45:26 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:03:00 PM
Defence ? Why in heavens should I need a defence ?

The paucity of actual evidence in your argument does make it hard to debate with you.
I don’t claim to have evidence. My experience is that whatever I post, you choose to ridicule. But, as previously stated it is a reflection upon yourself. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 07:45:26 PM
I don’t claim to have evidence. My experience is that whatever I post, you choose to ridicule. But, as previously stated it is a reflection upon yourself. My opinion.


Not ridicule, question.

If that’s not to your taste perhaps you’re in the wrong place ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 07:08:04 PM
As if John or Admin need yet another PM.  There is more of that going on than ever there was Reporting.

I have no idea how many p.m.s are sent or to whom. Probably because they're private.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:52:05 PM


Not ridicule, question.

If that’s not to your taste perhaps you’re in the wrong place ?
So, when you comment on a picture I post ‘resemblance uncanny’, I am to interpret that as a question? Hayibo!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 19, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 07:54:22 PM
I have no idea how many p.m.s are sent or to whom. Probably because they're private.

Or should be,but I have my doubts, still I don't mind who knows I care not for some.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 08:03:21 PM
So, when you comment on a picture I post ‘resemblance uncanny’, I am to interpret that as a question? Hayibo!

No...that was a joke.

Look if I have to explain the intentions behind all my posts how are we ever going to find time to be friends ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 07:54:22 PM
I have no idea how many p.m.s are sent or to whom. Probably because they're private.

You don't know?  Pathetic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 19, 2020, 08:27:02 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:30:05 PM
Quality is subjective.

I see you’re hiding your online status. I seem to have touched a nerve.

Thats b....red it, everyone is playing hide and seek, so I went to show my online status but need my password,can't remember it, how to I log in I hear you say,its on auto with goggle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 08:30:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 08:27:02 PM
Thats b....red it, everyone is playing hide and seek, so I went to show my online status but need my password,can't remember it, how to I log in I hear you say,its on auto with goggle.

most passwords are stored in settings
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 19, 2020, 08:33:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 08:30:41 PM
most passwords are stored in settings

You're talking to a geriatric old fart.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 08:34:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 08:33:38 PM
You're talking to a geriatric old fart.

sorry...best wishes
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 08:35:00 PM
Mr Wolters said they are currently investigating two other cases in Portugal, connected to Brückner.
- Joana Eilts who was sexually assaulted in April 2007 at Salema beach.
- Hazel Behan who was raped for five hours at Praia da Rocha in 2004.
- Second in the picture is Diana Menkes who was raped and tortured at Casa Jacaranda in 2005. One hair belonging to Brückner led to a conviction.
- And then there is Madeleine.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 19, 2020, 08:36:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 08:14:03 PM
You don't know?  Pathetic.

How do I see that information?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 08:37:19 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 19, 2020, 08:33:38 PM
You're talking to a geriatric old fart.

This is almost certainly true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 19, 2020, 08:42:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 08:37:19 PM
This is almost certainly true.

Some one has to keep you company.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 19, 2020, 08:35:00 PM
Mr Wolters said they are currently investigating two other cases in Portugal, connected to Brückner.
- Joana Eilts who was sexually assaulted in April 2007 at Salema beach.
- Hazel Behan who was raped for five hours at Praia da Rocha in 2004.
- Second in the picture is Diana Menkes who was raped and tortured at Casa Jacaranda in 2005. One hair belonging to Brückner led to a conviction.
- And then there is Madeleine.

No there’s not....at least no thus far.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 08:45:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 08:42:49 PM
No there’s not....at least no thus far.

Breukner is being investigated for the abduction....he obviously has no alibi ...combined with evrything else...i think they have the right man..
was it his girlfiriend he said the day before ..may2..
I have something terrible to do...you wont see me for  a while...so where was he
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 09:31:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 08:45:45 PM
Breukner is being investigated for the abduction....he obviously has no alibi ...combined with evrything else...i think they have the right man..
was it his girlfiriend he said the day before ..may2..
I have something terrible to do...you wont see me for  a while...so where was he

He may have an unverifiable alibi or was with someone as dodgy as himself so Wolter won’t accept it...or...or...

As to the girlfriend...is this the one he used to do burglaries with? Imagine if she had said to the tabloid....nah he’s never said anything suspicious. How much do you think she’d have got paid for that story ? Remember Charlotte Pennington who got paid for I’d assume quite a sum for her lurid recollections of her time in PDL, much of which never made it to her statements. When Brueckner’s girlfriend repeats the claim on oath, then I’ll believe it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 09:31:55 PM
He may have an unverifiable alibi or was with someone as dodgy as himself so Wolter won’t accept it...or...or...

As to the girlfriend...is this the one he used to do burglaries with? Imagine if she had said to the tabloid....nah he’s never said anything suspicious. How much do you think she’d have got paid for that story ? Remember Charlotte Pennington who got paid for I’d assume quite a sum for her lurid recollections of her time in PDL, much of which never made it to her statements. When Brueckner’s girlfriend repeats the claim on oath, then I’ll believe it.
..

We need to wait and see. Certainly at the moment  , a lot of evidence against him and basically nothing  against the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 09:36:16 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 09:31:55 PM
He may have an unverifiable alibi or was with someone as dodgy as himself so Wolter won’t accept it...or...or...

As to the girlfriend...is this the one he used to do burglaries with? Imagine if she had said to the tabloid....nah he’s never said anything suspicious. How much do you think she’d have got paid for that story ? Remember Charlotte Pennington who got paid for I’d assume quite a sum for her lurid recollections of her time in PDL, much of which never made it to her statements. When Brueckner’s girlfriend repeats the claim on oath, then I’ll believe it.

You assume far too much.. Imo... I'm speaking facts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 09:39:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 09:34:54 PM
..

We need to wait and see. Certainly at the moment  , a lot of evidence against him and basically nothing  against the McCanns

Then you’ll be able to tell me what direct evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 09:40:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 09:36:16 PM
You assume far too much.. Imo... I'm speaking facts

What facts ? What is the evidence that ties Brueckner to Madeleine’s disappearance ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 09:39:20 PM
Then you’ll be able to tell me what direct evidence.

I said facts.. A statement  by his girlfriend is a fact..
You assume CP was paid for her story.. That's an assumption
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2020, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 09:40:45 PM
What facts ? What is the evidence that ties Brueckner to Madeleine’s disappearance ?

There is plenty of evidence  but you have to understand  what evidence  means.  I've already asked what's the evidence  against the McCanns... No response
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 09:52:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
I said facts.. A statement  by his girlfriend is a fact..
You assume CP was paid for her story.. That's an assumption

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Are you really suggesting that Brueckner’s girlfriend didn’t get paid for her story ?

Did you see Des the other night on ITV ? One of the witnesses had sold their story to a tabloid before the case went to court. The prosecution was horrified as it destroyed the witness’s credibility.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 09:43:15 PM
There is plenty of evidence  but you have to understand  what evidence  means.  I've already asked what's the evidence  against the McCanns... No response

I have got to the point where I sometimes wonder what on earth is going on.  I don't understand the hatred you see.

I could have some problem between Evidence and Proof, probably because it could be a fine line, but even that is ridiculous.  The McCanns simply could not have done this.  No matter what anyone thinks of them.  Logistically it just wasn't possible.

Brueckner?  Who can tell at this point?  My mind goes blank.  But maybe because I don't want to think about what he might have done to that child.

And so Innocent Until Proven Guilty kicks in.  It is my way of dealing with this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 10:39:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
I have got to the point where I sometimes wonder what on earth is going on.  I don't understand the hatred you see.

I could have some problem between Evidence and Proof, probably because it could be a fine line, but even that is ridiculous.  The McCanns simply could not have done this.  No matter what anyone thinks of them.  Logistically it just wasn't possible.

Brueckner?  Who can tell at this point?  My mind goes blank.  But maybe because I don't want to think about what he might have done to that child.

And so Innocent Until Proven Guilty kicks in.  It is my way of dealing with this.

Logistically it’s absolutely possible that the parents covered up their daughter’s death. Whether they did is a different question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 19, 2020, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 07:52:05 PM


Not ridicule, question.

If that’s not to your taste perhaps you’re in the wrong place ?

Very strong poster is our Anthro.  She investigates deeply and supplies lots of previously unknown facts.

Too strong for you perhaps?    Is that why you are trying to get rid of her?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 10:51:28 PM
Quote from: sadie on September 19, 2020, 10:41:01 PM
Very strong poster is our Anthro.  She investigates deeply and supplies lots of previously unknown facts.

Too strong for you perhaps?    Is that why you are trying to get rid of her?

Please try not to be ridiculous Sadie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 10:52:52 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 10:39:04 PM
Logistically it’s absolutely possible that the parents covered up their daughter’s death. Whether they did is a different question.

Then you don't understand Logistics.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 10:56:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 10:51:28 PM
Please try not to be ridiculous Sadie.

What ever you might think of Sadie she isn't half so ridiculous as you are.  Just lay off.  There is no need for this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 19, 2020, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 10:51:28 PM
Please try not to be ridiculous Sadie.

I repeat, Anthro is very clever; she researches deeply and provides lots of previously unknown facts.   She also comes up with previously unnoticed links and new ideas.

Is this why you are trying to persuade her to leave?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 11:12:19 PM
Quote from: sadie on September 19, 2020, 11:01:02 PM
I repeat, Anthro is very clever; she researches deeply and provides lots of previously unknown facts.   She also comes up with previously unnoticed links and new ideas.

Is this why you are trying to persuade her to leave?

Don't worry about it, Sadie.  It isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 11:58:28 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 10:52:52 PM
Then you don't understand Logistics.

Oh I think I do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 12:04:37 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 10:56:24 PM
What ever you might think of Sadie she isn't half so ridiculous as you are.  Just lay off.  There is no need for this.

Wind your neck in Eleanor. Sadie is an old, rather odd lady whose posts I have no interest in but unfortunately she made an accusation and I was forced to refute it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 20, 2020, 12:06:40 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 19, 2020, 11:58:28 PM
Oh I think I do.

Then you will know that The McCanns could not possibly have disposed of the body of their daughter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 12:07:06 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 19, 2020, 11:12:19 PM
Don't worry about it, Sadie.  It isn't going to happen.

Please don’t encourage her. Why would I want Anthro to leave ?

This is just so much silliness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 20, 2020, 12:06:40 AM
Then you will know that The McCanns could not possibly have disposed of the body of their daughter.

That is simply not true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 20, 2020, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 12:04:37 AM
Wind your neck in Eleanor. Sadie is an old, rather odd lady whose posts I have no interest in but unfortunately she made an accusation and I was forced to refute it.

So am I.

Wind my neck in?  How frightfully Essex, you poor soul.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 20, 2020, 12:19:38 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 20, 2020, 12:10:04 AM
So am I.

Wind my neck in?  How frightfully Essex, you poor soul.

I am getting the impression that there is a little wumming on the go.  I'm going back to ignoring it, it seems to tone it down for a bit when it ceases to amuse and no reaction is forthcoming.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 12:26:58 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 20, 2020, 12:19:38 AM
I am getting the impression that there is a little wumming on the go.  I'm going back to ignoring it, it seems to tone it down for a bit when it ceases to amuse and no reaction is forthcoming.

Please do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 12:28:36 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 20, 2020, 12:10:04 AM
So am I.

Wind my neck in?  How frightfully Essex, you poor soul.

You win Eleanor...you’ve out-stupided me.

Well done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 20, 2020, 12:34:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 20, 2020, 12:19:38 AM
I am getting the impression that there is a little wumming on the go.  I'm going back to ignoring it, it seems to tone it down for a bit when it ceases to amuse and no reaction is forthcoming.

You got it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 20, 2020, 12:40:19 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 12:28:36 AM
You win Eleanor...you’ve out-stupided me.

Well done.

Well, I always will.  It ain't that difficult.  You aren't even that good at it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 12:53:12 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 20, 2020, 12:40:19 AM
Well, I always will.  It ain't that difficult.  You aren't even that good at it.

Yet again you’re right....I’m not that good at appearing stupid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 20, 2020, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 12:53:12 AM
Yet again you’re right....I’m not that good at appearing stupid.

Who cares?  Silly you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 01:18:25 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 19, 2020, 08:45:45 PM
Breukner is being investigated for the abduction....he obviously has no alibi ...combined with evrything else...i think they have the right man..
was it his girlfiriend he said the day before ..may2..
I have something terrible to do...you wont see me for  a while...so where was he
Can you recall where that come from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 20, 2020, 06:31:23 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 01:18:25 AM
Can you recall where that come from?
Certainly not from testimony in court where it would matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 07:14:20 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 01:18:25 AM
Can you recall where that come from?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404521/amp/Maddie-suspect-said-horrible-job-night-toddler-vanished.html&ved=2ahUKEw[Name removed]taywfbrAhUGhlwKHeQ5B_UQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2yDWcDkptlMIhfakO4tT2c&ampcf=1
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 07:17:26 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 20, 2020, 06:31:23 AM
Certainly not from testimony in court where it would matter.

It hasn't gone to court yet..... But I agree.. Repeated in court it would be quite significant particularly combined with other evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 20, 2020, 07:22:25 AM
it wasn’t the ex- girlfriend who went to the media about it in any case

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11823591/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 07:34:27 AM
So if he said that to his girlfriend on may 2..
Where was he and what was he doing on may 3 and the days after.

Similar to the Gilroy case who couldn't explain where he was for half a day.  When this is combined with other evidence it builds a convincing case.  This is what Wolters is doing imo

I think he's playing s very clever strategy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 20, 2020, 08:44:05 AM
Is there a way to ignore threads,the Amaral one is purely a bitch fest and set up for that purpose, gets in the way of the  real wum debates,(debates, termed loosely).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 20, 2020, 08:46:58 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 20, 2020, 08:44:05 AM
Is there a way to ignore threads,the Amaral one is purely a bitch fest and set up for that purpose, gets in the way of the  real wum debates,(debates, termed loosely).

The answer is not to click on them in the first place, which is what I am doing with a number of threads at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 20, 2020, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: jassi on September 20, 2020, 08:46:58 AM
The answer is not to click on them in the first place, which is what I am doing with a number of threads at the moment.

Yeah, I just looked in profile settings and there's nowt there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 08:58:32 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 20, 2020, 08:49:23 AM
Yeah, I just looked in profile settings and there's nowt there.

I find the whole forum a bitch fest ...and yes... It does make me wonder why I post here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on September 20, 2020, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 20, 2020, 08:49:23 AM
Yeah, I just looked in profile settings and there's nowt there.

mcann suporters have always made   amaral and other people their scapegoats  when it   was the mcanns behaviour  that set  off the chain  of events whatever  that   was
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 09:08:28 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on September 20, 2020, 09:04:48 AM
mcann suporters have always made   amaral and other people their scapegoats  when it   was the mcanns behaviour  that set  off the chain  of events whatever  that   was

Another great on topic post
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 20, 2020, 09:15:27 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 09:08:28 AM
Another great on topic post
Perhaps we could have a separate thread for Carly's attacks on McCann supporters, in which she can do her daily ad hom vent, and which those of us she is attacking can simply choose to ignore?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 20, 2020, 10:30:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 09:08:28 AM
Another great on topic post

Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 08:58:32 AM
I find the whole forum a bitch fest ...and yes... It does make me wonder why I post here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 10:34:42 AM
Quote from: The General on September 20, 2020, 10:30:01 AM


Context
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 20, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
It has certainly been informative observing the reactions of individuals regarding the undoubted bona fide information that there positively is a new suspect in Madeleine McCann's 'mystery' disappearance.
It has been affirmed in no uncertain terms that investigators consider her parents entirely blameless.

There is a section of society whose bluff has been called that they have the slightest interest in finding justice for Madeleine if that does not comply with their limited version and interpretation of what justice actually is.

In my opinion they neither have any interest in what befell Madeleine and they have absolutely no interest in who the perpetrator might be if the evidence dictates the non-involvement of her parents.

Their interest lies only in excoriating Madeleine's family in every which way they can and I think that as collectives and as individuals they should be really worried about what that says about them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 20, 2020, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: carlymichelle on September 20, 2020, 09:04:48 AM
mcann suporters have always made   amaral and other people their scapegoats  when it   was the mcanns behaviour  that set  off the chain  of events whatever  that   was

Open your eyes Carly

And I would think a bit deeper, if I were you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 20, 2020, 01:29:00 PM
Same nonsense from 2014,everybody recognise themselves?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4672.0
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 20, 2020, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 20, 2020, 01:29:00 PM
Same nonsense from 2014,everybody recognise themselves?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4672.0
Which one are you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on September 20, 2020, 02:52:55 PM
When I was trying to follow the Amanda Knox case, I noticed that there was some information on the main forums, but so interspersed with interminable pages of ispats that made it really time-consuming to try to keep up-to-date.

There is always the possibility of someone who thinks they may have valuable information, but is trying to assess whether a detail may be insignificant or not, prior to formally contacting the police.

Some of them may well read forums as part of their assessment. The more spats, the harder it is to wade through.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 20, 2020, 03:59:08 PM
Sauce is out and about.

A family source has now said: "Until a body is found and it is proved to be Madeleine’s, Kate and Gerry are not giving up hope.

"These latest ‘she’s dead but there's no body’ theories have been repeated over the past three-and-a-half months but in all this time there appears to be no significant new development.

"It leaves Kate and Gerry on tenterhooks and in a state of limbo not knowing if there will be a breakthrough or if German officers sadly may have got wrong. It’s been another desperately difficult time for them."

The McCann pal added: ‘They want answers more than anyone but while the Met Police are still treating Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing people’s inquiry... it gives the family hope she could still be alive.

"Nothing has changed for them. They will continuing hoping until they know for sure."

Chief investigator Hans Christian Wolters said this week that "everything points to her being dead."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12719448/madeleine-mccann-parents-refuse-to-believe-dead/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 04:03:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 20, 2020, 03:59:08 PM
Sauce is out and about.

A family source has now said: "Until a body is found and it is proved to be Madeleine’s, Kate and Gerry are not giving up hope.

"These latest ‘she’s dead but there's no body’ theories have been repeated over the past three-and-a-half months but in all this time there appears to be no significant new development.

"It leaves Kate and Gerry on tenterhooks and in a state of limbo not knowing if there will be a breakthrough or if German officers sadly may have got wrong. It’s been another desperately difficult time for them."

The McCann pal added: ‘They want answers more than anyone but while the Met Police are still treating Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing people’s inquiry... it gives the family hope she could still be alive.

"Nothing has changed for them. They will continuing hoping until they know for sure."

Chief investigator Hans Christian Wolters said this week that "everything points to her being dead."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12719448/madeleine-mccann-parents-refuse-to-believe-dead/

So they won't give up hope until the know for sure... Is this supposed to be a new story
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 20, 2020, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 20, 2020, 03:59:08 PM
Sauce is out and about.

A family source has now said: "Until a body is found and it is proved to be Madeleine’s, Kate and Gerry are not giving up hope.

"These latest ‘she’s dead but there's no body’ theories have been repeated over the past three-and-a-half months but in all this time there appears to be no significant new development.

"It leaves Kate and Gerry on tenterhooks and in a state of limbo not knowing if there will be a breakthrough or if German officers sadly may have got wrong. It’s been another desperately difficult time for them."

The McCann pal added: ‘They want answers more than anyone but while the Met Police are still treating Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing people’s inquiry... it gives the family hope she could still be alive.

"Nothing has changed for them. They will continuing hoping until they know for sure."

Chief investigator Hans Christian Wolters said this week that "everything points to her being dead."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12719448/madeleine-mccann-parents-refuse-to-believe-dead/
strange behaviour for people supposedly responsible for chucking their daughter’s body in a bin.  You’d think they’d be only too supportive of the German prosecutor’s theory if they had. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 20, 2020, 04:04:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 04:03:28 PM
So they won't give up hope until the know for sure... Is this supposed to be a new story

Best ask the Sun,they print it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 20, 2020, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 20, 2020, 04:03:58 PM
strange behaviour for people supposedly responsible for chucking their daughter’s body in a bin.  You’d think they’d be only too supportive of the German prosecutor’s theory if they had.

Upped your game I see thinking outside the box,Wolters has no forensic's,body in a bin? you might have nailed it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 20, 2020, 04:11:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 04:03:28 PM
So they won't give up hope until the know for sure... Is this supposed to be a new story
HCW could allay all of their fears at any time. Seems he's chosen to prolong their 'agony'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 20, 2020, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 20, 2020, 04:07:05 PM
Upped your game I see thinking outside the box,Wolters has no forensic's,body in a bin? you might have nailed it.
Is this you being a sausage roll again?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 04:17:24 PM
Quote from: The General on September 20, 2020, 04:11:26 PM
HCW could allay all of their fears at any time. Seems he's chosen to prolong their 'agony'.
He made it clear he can't reveal his evidence yet

He wants to nail CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 20, 2020, 04:31:04 PM
Nothing has changed in 3 months. Wakey wakey  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 20, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 08:58:32 AM
I find the whole forum a bitch fest ...and yes... It does make me wonder why I post here.

So why do you when... according to you

You think the mccs innocent......SY do germans do

You think CB guilty..sy do .germans do

So What then....is your purpose on a forum.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 20, 2020, 04:38:42 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 20, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
So why do you when... according to you

You think the mccs innocent......SY do germans do

You think CB guilty..sy do .germans do

So What then....is your purpose on a forum.
To provide some balance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 04:43:38 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 20, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
So why do you when... according to you

You think the mccs innocent......SY do germans do

You think CB guilty..sy do .germans do

So What then....is your purpose on a forum.

none of your business........
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 20, 2020, 05:30:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 04:43:38 PM
none of your business........


OH righttt....so seems it's personal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 20, 2020, 05:30:26 PM

OH righttt....so seems it's personal

no its just a stupid question
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 20, 2020, 05:45:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 05:33:47 PM
no its just a stupid question

So why to put you don't know why your on here if you didn't expect an answer ..thats whats stupid D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 20, 2020, 05:54:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 04:17:24 PM
He made it clear he can't reveal his evidence yet

He wants to nail CB

Does he know how annoyed the McCanns get if someone says their daughter is dead but can't prove it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 20, 2020, 05:54:49 PM
Does he know how annoyed the McCanns get if someone says their daughter is dead but can't prove it?

is it important
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 20, 2020, 05:45:08 PM
So why to put you don't know why your on here if you didn't expect an answer ..thats whats stupid D

its  a rhetorical question. I know exactly why I post..the title of the thread ...german suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 20, 2020, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 20, 2020, 05:54:49 PM
Does he know how annoyed the McCanns get if someone says their daughter is dead but can't prove it?
I should think “annoyance” is putting it (facetiously) mildly.   Why, if you knew your daughter was dead and you’d chucked her body in the bin would you be annoyed that the police were trying to pin the crime on some German paedo?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 20, 2020, 06:05:33 PM
I should think “annoyance” is putting it (facetiously) mildly.   Why, if you knew your daughter was dead and you’d chucked her body in the bin would you be annoyed that the police were trying to pin the crime on some German paedo?

All Gerry has to say  is he saw CB hanging round the apartment and the mccanns are proven innocent..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 20, 2020, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 06:08:33 PM
All Gerry has to say  is he saw CB hanging round the apartment and the mccanns are proven innocent..

Under oath? chief prosecution witness in that case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 20, 2020, 06:26:37 PM
More tabloid nonsense, the suspect is in jail.Tabloids getting impatient?


CHILLING EFFECT Madeleine McCann witnesses hiding key evidence as they are ‘terrified’ of prime suspect Christian B, cops believe


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12720265/madeleine-mccann-witnesses-hiding-key-evidence-christian-b/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 20, 2020, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 06:08:33 PM
All Gerry has to say  is he saw CB hanging round the apartment and the mccanns are proven innocent..

Oh, are you that desperate you want more lies ...

Don't you think gmc has changed his statements enough times already?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 20, 2020, 06:43:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 20, 2020, 06:30:47 PM
Oh, are you that desperate you want more lies ...

Don't you think gmc has changed his statements enough times already?
If Gerry’s the monster you think he is them yeah, why not?  Make sure CB gets locked up and then the McCs are home and dry forever - perfect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 20, 2020, 06:22:33 PM
Under oath? chief prosecution witness in that case.

It's a joke..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 06:54:24 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 20, 2020, 06:30:47 PM
Oh, are you that desperate you want more lies ...

Don't you think gmc has changed his statements enough times already?

I don't  think he's changed them at all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 07:34:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 04:03:28 PM
So they won't give up hope until the know for sure... Is this supposed to be a new story
Just keeping us up to date. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 20, 2020, 04:14:51 PM
Is this you being a sausage roll again?
Not the usual amount of cholesterol content.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 06:53:40 PM
It's a joke..
Worst joke ever IMO.  Another person who makes silly jokes is President Trump.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 07:49:27 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 07:41:42 PM
Worst joke ever IMO.  Another person who makes silly jokes is President Trump.

I actually thought your theories were jokes....but evidently you are serious
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 08:18:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 07:49:27 PM
I actually thought your theories were jokes....but evidently you are serious
Is that right!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 08:23:35 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 08:18:20 PM
Is that right!

yes ... I think your posts about a second hidden cadaver were quite ridiculous.....I think most poeple do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 08:54:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 20, 2020, 08:23:35 PM
yes ... I think your posts about a second hidden cadaver were quite ridiculous.....I think most poeple do
Not when we are potentially dealing with someone like CB who pre-warns his girlfriend he is about to do something horrible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 20, 2020, 09:03:49 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 08:54:31 PM
Not when we are potentially dealing with someone like CB who pre-warns his girlfriend he is about to do something horrible.

just let us know when you think anyones investigating the second cadaver...or the prank theory...both as ridiculous  as each other...imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 20, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
Back to the German teacher who saw a German-speaking girl at the Apolonia supermarket in Gale, Portugal in 2017 who had the same blemish in the right eye as Madeleine. Towards the end of May 2007, Sharon Booth also declared a sighting at Gale with a 4-year old girl, a man and a woman in an ‘old, green Renault car’. If you look back at CB’s packaging/box factory in Neuwegersleben, there is an early 2000 model, green Renault parked inside the building. Cf. attached picture of said car, Sharon Booth’s statement in the PJ files and an early 2000 Renault, green model. I am assuming that the Winnebago that police found was also parked here?

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 20, 2020, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 20, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
Back to the German teacher who saw a German-speaking girl at the Apolonia supermarket in Gale, Portugal in 2017 who had the same blemish in the right eye as Madeleine. Towards the end of May 2007, Sharon Booth also declared a sighting at Gale with a 4-year old girl, a man and a woman in an ‘old, green Renault car’. If you look back at CB’s packaging/box factory in Neuwegersleben, there is an early 2000 model, green Renault parked inside the building. Cf. attached picture of said car, Sharon Booth’s statement in the PJ files and an early 2000 Peugeot, green model. I am assuming that the Winnebago that police found was also parked here?
Wow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 10:00:58 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 20, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
Back to the German teacher who saw a German-speaking girl at the Apolonia supermarket in Gale, Portugal in 2017 who had the same blemish in the right eye as Madeleine. Towards the end of May 2007, Sharon Booth also declared a sighting at Gale with a 4-year old girl, a man and a woman in an ‘old, green Renault car’. If you look back at CB’s packaging/box factory in Neuwegersleben, there is an early 2000 model, green Renault parked inside the building. Cf. attached picture of said car, Sharon Booth’s statement in the PJ files and an early 2000 Peugeot, green model. I am assuming that the Winnebago that police found was also parked here?

It’s easy to bolster a theory by being selective in your choice of sightings. What about the sightings in Amsterdam, New Zealand, Belgium etc etc. How do they fit in ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 20, 2020, 10:13:59 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 20, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
Back to the German teacher who saw a German-speaking girl at the Apolonia supermarket in Gale, Portugal in 2017 who had the same blemish in the right eye as Madeleine. Towards the end of May 2007, Sharon Booth also declared a sighting at Gale with a 4-year old girl, a man and a woman in an ‘old, green Renault car’. If you look back at CB’s packaging/box factory in Neuwegersleben, there is an early 2000 model, green Renault parked inside the building. Cf. attached picture of said car, Sharon Booth’s statement in the PJ files and an early 2000 Peugeot, green model. I am assuming that the Winnebago that police found was also parked here?
Interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 20, 2020, 10:57:58 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 20, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
Back to the German teacher who saw a German-speaking girl at the Apolonia supermarket in Gale, Portugal in 2017 who had the same blemish in the right eye as Madeleine. Towards the end of May 2007, Sharon Booth also declared a sighting at Gale with a 4-year old girl, a man and a woman in an ‘old, green Renault car’. If you look back at CB’s packaging/box factory in Neuwegersleben, there is an early 2000 model, green Renault parked inside the building. Cf. attached picture of said car, Sharon Booth’s statement in the PJ files and an early 2000 Peugeot, green model. I am assuming that the Winnebago that police found was also parked here?

Thank you, Anthro.
In my opinion you can be relied upon to bring items of real interest and value to the forum which are thought provoking and worthy of intelligent discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 21, 2020, 06:06:36 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 20, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
Back to the German teacher who saw a German-speaking girl at the Apolonia supermarket in Gale, Portugal in 2017 who had the same blemish in the right eye as Madeleine. Towards the end of May 2007, Sharon Booth also declared a sighting at Gale with a 4-year old girl, a man and a woman in an ‘old, green Renault car’. If you look back at CB’s packaging/box factory in Neuwegersleben, there is an early 2000 model, green Renault parked inside the building. Cf. attached picture of said car, Sharon Booth’s statement in the PJ files and an early 2000 Peugeot, green model. I am assuming that the Winnebago that police found was also parked here?
How do you know the car in the disused factory is a Renault?  The cutouts for the headlights on the bonnet are oddly shaped. Many cars don't have an extra curved piece of metal to the outside, i.e. the cutout is usually L-shaped, not U-shaped.  The 'Peugeot' you've shown is actually a Renault, going by the logo, isn't it?  And that one also doesn't have an extra metal piece of the bonnet around the headlight.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 21, 2020, 06:08:42 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 20, 2020, 04:14:51 PM
Is this you being a sausage roll again?
Free Your mind and let it set you free,if one of the suspects detractors were to come along and say he disposed of Madeleine in a bin,you'd probably join the herd and say obvious and simple really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 21, 2020, 07:01:14 AM
Yet more confirmation from Herr Wolters of the McCanns' innocence

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12722481/madeleine-mccann-parents-cleared-german-police/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12722481/madeleine-mccann-parents-cleared-german-police/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 07:17:10 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 21, 2020, 06:08:42 AM
Free Your mind and let it set you free,if one of the suspects detractors were to come along and say he disposed of Madeleine in a bin,you'd probably join the herd and say obvious and simple really.
My mind is free, I have no problem with the concept, it’s the means and opportunity that makes your preferred scenario extremely unlikely imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 21, 2020, 07:37:45 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 21, 2020, 06:06:36 AM
How do you know the car in the disused factory is a Renault?  The cutouts for the headlights on the bonnet are oddly shaped. Many cars don't have an extra curved piece of metal to the outside, i.e. the cutout is usually L-shaped, not U-shaped.  The 'Peugeot' you've shown is actually a Renault, going by the logo, isn't it?  And that one also doesn't have an extra metal piece of the bonnet around the headlight.
I have corrected my mistake. So, you disagree that the green car in the building is a Renault?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 21, 2020, 07:54:43 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 21, 2020, 07:37:45 AM
Can you please clarify what you mean re. sentence in bold?
I think your top right photo of a car bonnet belongs to a Renault, not a Peugeot as you stated?

Compare the contour of the metal of the bonnet near the headlight at A with that of the car bonnet in the disused factory...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 21, 2020, 08:02:59 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 21, 2020, 07:37:45 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 21, 2020, 06:06:36 AM
How do you know the car in the disused factory is a Renault?  The cutouts for the headlights on the bonnet are oddly shaped. Many cars don't have an extra curved piece of metal to the outside, i.e. the cutout is usually L-shaped, not U-shaped.  The 'Peugeot' you've shown is actually a Renault, going by the logo, isn't it?  And that one also doesn't have an extra metal piece of the bonnet around the headlight.

I have corrected my mistake. So, you disagree that the green car in the building is a Renault?

It's not that I disagree.  I've no idea what make of car it is in the factory, but wondered how you know that it is definitely a Renault.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 21, 2020, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 21, 2020, 08:02:59 AM
It's not that I disagree.  I've no idea what make of car it is in the factory, but wondered how you know that it is definitely a Renault.
Renault Clio Mk2 Phase 1 circa 1998.
Bag of spanners.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 21, 2020, 09:03:52 AM
Quote from: The General on September 21, 2020, 08:44:12 AM
Renault Clio Mk2 Phase 1 circa 1998.
Bag of spanners.
None of those have got that extra curved bonnet bit wrapped around the headlights, afaics...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Renault+Clio+Mk2+Phase+1+circa+1998&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz3I2G4_nrAhVnQkEAHdiaAYQQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1861&bih=1002#imgrc=inrC-Q4cAmxF8M (https://www.google.com/search?q=Renault+Clio+Mk2+Phase+1+circa+1998&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz3I2G4_nrAhVnQkEAHdiaAYQQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1861&bih=1002#imgrc=inrC-Q4cAmxF8M)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 21, 2020, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on September 20, 2020, 09:04:48 AM
mcann suporters have always made   amaral and other people their scapegoats  when it   was the mcanns behaviour  that set  off the chain  of events whatever  that   was

Please explain how I make Amaral and other people my scapegoat,  as I am a McCann supporter.   Also explain what you mean by the McCann's 'behaviour'.   Thank you.

Or maybe the people who 'liked'  this post could explain instead as you carly just make wild accusations and run away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 21, 2020, 09:35:47 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 21, 2020, 09:03:52 AM
None of those have got that extra curved bonnet bit wrapped around the headlights, afaics...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Renault+Clio+Mk2+Phase+1+circa+1998&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz3I2G4_nrAhVnQkEAHdiaAYQQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1861&bih=1002#imgrc=inrC-Q4cAmxF8M (https://www.google.com/search?q=Renault+Clio+Mk2+Phase+1+circa+1998&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz3I2G4_nrAhVnQkEAHdiaAYQQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1861&bih=1002#imgrc=inrC-Q4cAmxF8M)
I have you right. I thought the 2nd picture could be the RXE version, mainly for the euro market and the 'cut outs' could be perspective, but the grill is wrong. Might be a mash up.
Deffo looks Clio though. There's an air intake on the bonnet too by the looks, which was particular to the earlier RSI.....but the intake is on the wrong side
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 21, 2020, 09:03:52 AM
None of those have got that extra curved bonnet bit wrapped around the headlights, afaics...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Renault+Clio+Mk2+Phase+1+circa+1998&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz3I2G4_nrAhVnQkEAHdiaAYQQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1861&bih=1002#imgrc=inrC-Q4cAmxF8M (https://www.google.com/search?q=Renault+Clio+Mk2+Phase+1+circa+1998&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz3I2G4_nrAhVnQkEAHdiaAYQQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1861&bih=1002#imgrc=inrC-Q4cAmxF8M)
Renault Twingo I reckon - every other car in Europe was a Twingo in the late 90s early 2000s
https://en.wheelsage.org/renault/twingo/i/pictures/uuhgxd
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 21, 2020, 09:39:36 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 21, 2020, 07:01:14 AM
Yet more confirmation from Herr Wolters of the McCanns' innocence

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12722481/madeleine-mccann-parents-cleared-german-police/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12722481/madeleine-mccann-parents-cleared-german-police/)

‘no indication’ they were involved in toddler’s disappearance'


They must not have interviewed Martin Smith.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 21, 2020, 10:32:14 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on September 21, 2020, 09:39:36 AM
‘no indication’ they were involved in toddler’s disappearance'


They must not have interviewed Martin Smith.

And perhaps they have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 21, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on September 21, 2020, 09:39:36 AM
‘no indication’ they were involved in toddler’s disappearance'


They must not have interviewed Martin Smith.

I would be very surprised if the German authorities have spent time and money translating and examining the PJ Files. In my opinion they will have little knowledge of their contents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on September 21, 2020, 09:39:36 AM
‘no indication’ they were involved in toddler’s disappearance'


They must not have interviewed Martin Smith.
What about interviewing all the eye witnesses who claim to be certain they have seen Madeleine alive in various locations around the world?  Why should we only believe the eye-witness account of one person above all others? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 10:54:57 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 21, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
I would be very surprised if the German authorities have spent time and money translating and examining the PJ Files. In my opinion they will have little knowledge of their contents.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 21, 2020, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 21, 2020, 10:54:57 AM
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

I'm not prepared to accept the words of anyone, whoever they are. Wolters didn't impress me two months ago when he gave this interview, and nothing has changed afaik.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/WGQWsPq56U0Tcz9t4ZjPBIGxHcGi9sHAmV3UcmpOFh0.jpg?auto=webp&s=8d0d19aed9975561a1826ba42b50ce36c7b37b59)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/hl0hip/interview_with_german_prosecutor_hans_christian/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 21, 2020, 11:06:06 AM
I'm not prepared to accept the words of anyone, whoever they are. Wolters didn't impress me two months ago when he gave this interview, and nothing has changed afaik.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/WGQWsPq56U0Tcz9t4ZjPBIGxHcGi9sHAmV3UcmpOFh0.jpg?auto=webp&s=8d0d19aed9975561a1826ba42b50ce36c7b37b59)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/hl0hip/interview_with_german_prosecutor_hans_christian/
I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THE OPINION OF AN EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONAL WITH ACCESS TO ALL THE INFORMATION THAN AN ARMCHAIR DETECTIVE MAKING GUESSES ON A CHAT FORUM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 11:39:53 AM
Wolters the German Prosecutor with full access to all the information, experience and expertise at his disposal says they have conducted a serious investigation and concluded that there is no evidence whatosever to suggest the McCanns are involved.
G-Unit, an anonymous elderly lady on an internet chat room says she doubts Wolters professional integrity, despite the fact she has no contact with the investigation, has no idea what is going on within the investigation, does not have years of professional experience or expertise, does not have access to all the amassed investigative material.

Whose opinion has more credibility and weight?

Don't tell me - I can guess.... @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 21, 2020, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on September 21, 2020, 09:39:36 AM
‘no indication’ they were involved in toddler’s disappearance'


They must not have interviewed Martin Smith.

Maybe they have,   one of the Smith's group said the man had light brown hair,  now CB has dark blonde hair could look light brown couldn't it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 21, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 21, 2020, 11:39:53 AM
Wolters the German Prosecutor with full access to all the information, experience and expertise at his disposal says they have conducted a serious investigation and concluded that there is no evidence whatosever to suggest the McCanns are involved.
G-Unit, an anonymous elderly lady on an internet chat room says she doubts Wolters professional integrity, despite the fact she has no contact with the investigation, has no idea what is going on within the investigation, does not have years of professional experience or expertise, does not have access to all the amassed investigative material.

Whose opinion has more credibility and weight?

Don't tell me - I can guess.... @)(++(*

Importance of cell phones and witnesses in the investigation

On the matter of the cell phones and the association of the cell phone numbers during the investigation at the time of the disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral has doubts about the origin of those numbers recently associated with the German suspect Christian Brueckner: "Is anyone sure that this phone belongs to this man?” he questioned, underlining that "small details like this, is what makes the evidence".  Translation by Joana Morais


I know nothing about Amaral's allegation that Brueckner had been eliminated from the inquiry in 2007.  But his insinuation above ,,, "Gonçalo Amaral has doubts about the origin of those numbers recently associated with the German suspect Christian Brueckner" certainly prompted a ping on my antenna.

Quite obviously being distracted by concentrating on the McCann and their friends' phone traffic the PJ somehow managed to miss the phone contacts between criminals who were interviewed in Portugal by SY in 2014.

They somehow managed to miss a lengthy phone from a known paedophile and criminal at the same time despite interviewing him and eliminating him according to Amaral.
Quite obviously no-one thought to check the logs and ask to see his phone.

Is it a poor translation of what he actually said or has he actually insinuated malfeasance?



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 21, 2020, 12:24:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 21, 2020, 11:21:52 AM
I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THE OPINION OF AN EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONAL WITH ACCESS TO ALL THE INFORMATION THAN AN ARMCHAIR DETECTIVE MAKING GUESSES ON A CHAT FORUM.

I reproduced what Wolters said, no guesswork involved and not even enough evidence (he said) to be sure CB was in PdL on 3rd May 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 21, 2020, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 21, 2020, 11:06:06 AM
I'm not prepared to accept the words of anyone, whoever they are. Wolters didn't impress me two months ago when he gave this interview, and nothing has changed afaik.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/WGQWsPq56U0Tcz9t4ZjPBIGxHcGi9sHAmV3UcmpOFh0.jpg?auto=webp&s=8d0d19aed9975561a1826ba42b50ce36c7b37b59)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/hl0hip/interview_with_german_prosecutor_hans_christian/

I found him very impressive and as I've explained he seems to be taking a very reasoned approach.
I particularly noted his statement... We don't need forensic evidence.
My thoughts are he will find so much circumstantial evidence it will be enough... Plus what else he refer s to his concrete evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 12:42:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 21, 2020, 12:24:36 PM
I reproduced what Wolters said, no guesswork involved and not even enough evidence (he said) to be sure CB was in PdL on 3rd May 2007.
You didn't reproduce what Wolters said, you reproduced some bullet points of what he is alleged to have said, and your link leads back to some secret squirrel Reddit group of which you seem to be a member.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 21, 2020, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 21, 2020, 12:24:36 PM
I reproduced what Wolters said, no guesswork involved and not even enough evidence (he said) to be sure CB was in PdL on 3rd May 2007.

You need to read it again... He said he would not confirm SB was in PDL that night... As opposed to could not for the previous questions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 21, 2020, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 21, 2020, 12:42:04 PM
You didn't reproduce what Wolters said, you reproduced some bullet points of what he is alleged to have said, and your link leads back to some secret squirrel Reddit group of which you seem to be a member.

It's from M Saunokonokos Twitter.... MS seemed impressed with him... Talked to him for half an hour and only produced this short extract.. Why not all the questions and answers
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 21, 2020, 12:53:20 PM
It's from M Saunokonokos Twitter.... MS seemed impressed with him... Talked to him for half an hour and only produced this short extract.. Why not all the questions and answers
why not verbatim quotes?  why not broadcast the actual interview?  I wonder why not...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 05:28:43 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B’s lawyer claims to have new bombshell evidence clearing him of toddler’s murder
Nick Pisa21 Sep 2020,
THE lawyer for the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case claims to have found new bombshell evidence that he says will clear his client.

Convicted paedophile Christian B, 43, was identified by German police earlier this year as the man responsible for the three-year-old's abduction in 2007.

Christian B, 43, is currently the prime suspect in the disapperance of Madeleine McCann
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Christian B, 43, is currently the prime suspect in the disapperance of Madeleine McCannCredit: AFP
The three-year-old vanished while on holiday with her family in Portugal in 2007
3
The three-year-old vanished while on holiday with her family in Portugal in 2007Credit: AP:Associated Press
But lawyer Friedrich Fulscher insists they have the wrong man.

"I cannot go into details but it is very significant and involves someone who has provided me with vital information," he said.

"When I reveal it you will fall off your chair.

"The prosecutor said more than three months ago my client was responsible but since then nothing and we haven't even been able to see their files.

"I found new details in my first trip and I have been back again to follow it up.

"I'm confident this case will not go to court and the British media will lose interest in my client."

Madeleine disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.

The latest development will bring more heartache to parents Kate and Gerry who had hoped the German police investigation would end their ordeal.

German media is already beginning to question why nothing has moved on the case after June's sensational revelations that Christian B was the key suspect.

Last week, the Sun on Sunday revealed how prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters expected no new developments until next year at the earliest.

But in an interview on Friday night with Portugese TV show Sexta às 9, he insisted they had the right man, although he admitted there was "no smoking gun" evidence against Christian B.

He added: "All I can say is this [is] like a puzzle and there are many pieces that lead us to believe Christian B is responsible.’’

Key to the case is the testimony of convicted burglar Helge Busching, who The Sun tracked down earlier this month to Corsica.

He contacted the Met Police Operation Grange unit in 2017 while he was in custody in Greece on people trafficking charges.

Mr Fulscher said: "You really have to ask why... Helge Busching waited so long to offer this information to the police if it was so crucial.

'
"Why did his conscience cry out ten years after Christian supposedly told him he was involved.

"It's very strange and very obvious to me and should be obvious to the police.’’

Last night Busching said: "I don't give a **** what [his] lawyer says. [Christian B] is guilty."

Madeleine disappeared from an apartment in the Praia da Luz
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 21, 2020, 05:37:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 21, 2020, 05:28:43 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B’s lawyer claims to have new bombshell evidence clearing him of toddler’s murder
Nick Pisa21 Sep 2020,
THE lawyer for the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case claims to have found new bombshell evidence that he says will clear his client.

Convicted paedophile Christian B, 43, was identified by German police earlier this year as the man responsible for the three-year-old's abduction in 2007.

Christian B, 43, is currently the prime suspect in the disapperance of Madeleine McCann
3
Christian B, 43, is currently the prime suspect in the disapperance of Madeleine McCannCredit: AFP
The three-year-old vanished while on holiday with her family in Portugal in 2007
3
The three-year-old vanished while on holiday with her family in Portugal in 2007Credit: AP:Associated Press
But lawyer Friedrich Fulscher insists they have the wrong man.

"I cannot go into details but it is very significant and involves someone who has provided me with vital information," he said.

"When I reveal it you will fall off your chair.

"The prosecutor said more than three months ago my client was responsible but since then nothing and we haven't even been able to see their files.

"I found new details in my first trip and I have been back again to follow it up.

"I'm confident this case will not go to court and the British media will lose interest in my client."

Madeleine disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.

The latest development will bring more heartache to parents Kate and Gerry who had hoped the German police investigation would end their ordeal.

German media is already beginning to question why nothing has moved on the case after June's sensational revelations that Christian B was the key suspect.

Last week, the Sun on Sunday revealed how prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters expected no new developments until next year at the earliest.

But in an interview on Friday night with Portugese TV show Sexta às 9, he insisted they had the right man, although he admitted there was "no smoking gun" evidence against Christian B.

He added: "All I can say is this [is] like a puzzle and there are many pieces that lead us to believe Christian B is responsible.’’

Key to the case is the testimony of convicted burglar Helge Busching, who The Sun tracked down earlier this month to Corsica.

He contacted the Met Police Operation Grange unit in 2017 while he was in custody in Greece on people trafficking charges.

Mr Fulscher said: "You really have to ask why... Helge Busching waited so long to offer this information to the police if it was so crucial.

'
"Why did his conscience cry out ten years after Christian supposedly told him he was involved.

"It's very strange and very obvious to me and should be obvious to the police.’’

Last night Busching said: "I don't give a **** what [his] lawyer says. [Christian B] is guilty."

Madeleine disappeared from an apartment in the Praia da Luz

Oh dear he met with Amaral,  can't wait to hear the evidence.
I think Busching knows more than he's telling the Police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 21, 2020, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 21, 2020, 11:06:06 AM
I'm not prepared to accept the words of anyone, whoever they are. Wolters didn't impress me two months ago when he gave this interview, and nothing has changed afaik.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/WGQWsPq56U0Tcz9t4ZjPBIGxHcGi9sHAmV3UcmpOFh0.jpg?auto=webp&s=8d0d19aed9975561a1826ba42b50ce36c7b37b59)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/hl0hip/interview_with_german_prosecutor_hans_christian/

Wolters sounds like a bit of a glory hunter.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 06:03:24 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 21, 2020, 05:37:21 PM
Oh dear he met with Amaral,  can't wait to hear the evidence.
I think Busching knows more than he's telling the Police.
I just hope I don’t break my neck and die instantly when I fall off my chair on hearing the amazing revelation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 21, 2020, 06:58:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 21, 2020, 12:29:38 PM
I found him very impressive and as I've explained he seems to be taking a very reasoned approach.
I particularly noted his statement... We don't need forensic evidence.
My thoughts are he will find so much circumstantial evidence it will be enough... Plus what else he refer s to his concrete evidence

Don't know about having an ace card up his sleeve

looks like he put all his cards on the table too soon took a gamble ...and lost.

Burnt his candle both end ....all his eggs in one basket ect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 21, 2020, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 21, 2020, 06:58:47 PM
Don't know about having an ace card up his sleeve

looks like he put all his cards on the table too soon took a gamble ...and lost.

Burnt his candle both end ....all his eggs in one basket ect

We will find out in the next two or three months...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 21, 2020, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 21, 2020, 06:58:47 PM
Don't know about having an ace card up his sleeve

looks like he put all his cards on the table too soon took a gamble ...and lost.

Burnt his candle both end ....all his eggs in one basket ect

Wolters is overriding the Portuguese SC and is also declaring that the suspect killed Madeleine without even questioning him,something amiss here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 21, 2020, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 21, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
why not verbatim quotes?  why not broadcast the actual interview?  I wonder why not...

His followers have asked for a transcript... He hsdnt obliged.  Imo he didn't like what he was told
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 21, 2020, 07:08:33 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 21, 2020, 07:06:24 PM
Wolters is overriding the Portuguese SC and is also declaring that the suspect killed Madeleine without even questioning him,something amiss here.
In what way is he overriding the Sc.. I don't see that at all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 07:18:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 21, 2020, 07:07:05 PM
His followers have asked for a transcript... He hsdnt obliged.  Imo he didn't like what he was told
very fishy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 21, 2020, 07:22:19 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 20, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
Back to the German teacher who saw a German-speaking girl at the Apolonia supermarket in Gale, Portugal in 2017 who had the same blemish in the right eye as Madeleine. Towards the end of May 2007, Sharon Booth also declared a sighting at Gale with a 4-year old girl, a man and a woman in an ‘old, green Renault car’. If you look back at CB’s packaging/box factory in Neuwegersleben, there is an early 2000 model, green Renault parked inside the building. Cf. attached picture of said car, Sharon Booth’s statement in the PJ files and an early 2000 Renault, green model. I am assuming that the Winnebago that police found was also parked here?

Well done Anthro … and the rest of you

Not too many green cars of that sort of shade around.


I thought that I had found a third photo of it on GE when looking at the image of The German Boys Home in Foral at about that period.  There appeared to be a large green car of similar colour hidden behind the building, but when I zoomed in, I realised it was a couple of bushes  (&^&


Was so excited, but what a let down!   %#&%4%
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 21, 2020, 07:25:02 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 20, 2020, 10:00:58 PM
It’s easy to bolster a theory by being selective in your choice of sightings. What about the sightings in Amsterdam, New Zealand, Belgium etc etc. How do they fit in ?

And what about up in the Porto area ?   Several up there

And Malta/Gozo with 29 sightings?



PS.  I wish that this forum would stop adding this emoji  8@??)( to the start of many of my posts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 21, 2020, 07:35:33 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 21, 2020, 07:54:43 AM
I think your top right photo of a car bonnet belongs to a Renault, not a Peugeot as you stated?

Compare the contour of the metal of the bonnet near the headlight at A with that of the car bonnet in the disused factory...

Dunno Myster.

Funny things happen to oval(ish) shapes that follow a rounded background (the cars bodywork - wings) when seen from different angles


Cars of that green colour are pretty few and far between.  I think Anthro could be right.   It is certainly something that should be looked at by the police IMO.   Maybe, that could be the bit of evidence that convicts CB.


Suggest you send it to SY Anthro.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 21, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: sadie on September 21, 2020, 07:35:33 PM
Dunno Myster.

Funny things happen to oval(ish) shapes that follow a rounded background (the cars bodywork - wings) when seen from different angles


Cars of that green colour are pretty few and far between.  I think Anthro could be right.   It is certainly something that should be looked at by the police IMO.   Maybe, that could be the bit of evidence that convicts CB.


Suggest you send it to SY Anthro.

Firstly my second car was that colour so not so rare.

Secondly if 12 million pounds, nine years and three police forces plus multiple outside organisations haven’t thrown up that gem of information then they sure aren’t doing their job.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 21, 2020, 07:48:35 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 21, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Firstly my second car was that colour so not so rare.

Secondly if 12 million pounds, nine years and three police forces plus multiple outside organisations haven’t thrown up that gem of information then they sure aren’t doing their job.

Rubbish..I wonder how much poor Charlie Guards medical treatment and legal fees cost and the poor boy died. Do you think the doctors didnt do their job
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 21, 2020, 10:06:24 PM
The lawyer of the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's abduction says people will 'fall off their chair' when he reveals new evidence which allegedly clears his client's name.

Convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner, 43, was accused by German police earlier this year of kidnapping the three-year-old in Portugal in 2007.

However his lawyer, Friedrich Fulscher, insists he is innocent. Mr Fulscher claims that an anonymous source has provided 'vital information' which will make Brits 'fall off their chair'.

He told The Sun: 'I cannot go into details but it is very significant and involves someone who has provided me with vital information.

'When I reveal it you will fall off your chair.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8757067/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-lawyer-says-evidence-clears-client.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 21, 2020, 10:10:46 PM
^^^I already posted this 5 hours ago on this thread ^^^
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 07:36:29 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 21, 2020, 11:06:06 AM
I'm not prepared to accept the words of anyone, whoever they are. Wolters didn't impress me two months ago when he gave this interview, and nothing has changed afaik.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/WGQWsPq56U0Tcz9t4ZjPBIGxHcGi9sHAmV3UcmpOFh0.jpg?auto=webp&s=8d0d19aed9975561a1826ba42b50ce36c7b37b59)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/hl0hip/interview_with_german_prosecutor_hans_christian/


I had a look at the source of this site...at the comments. They are predominately from intelligent logical people with a good understanding of evidence...imo. Almost no one accusing the parents. Commments such as these two...


He’s denied a body, forensics, further witnesses but on countless occasions won’t deny whether they have pictures or videos.

When the prosecutor has material evidence and she’s sure she is dead, must mean they have something substantial. The only known difference between the MET & BKA investigation is the 8000+ images and videos found. The BKA are certain and aren’t sharing with the MET. So their answer must have been found in the stash of digital evidence they found.

and....

When asked if he has video evidence, Wolters reaction says it all doesn’t it

Wolters evidence could well be images of maddie that show her post abduction. Images that don't confirm her death but suggest death followed...very unpleasant..

Wolters imo is building a solid circumstantial case...hes in no rush he wants to get it right and I think he will.

the solid /concrete evidence is on the memory sticks
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 22, 2020, 07:57:50 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 21, 2020, 09:36:46 AM
Renault Twingo I reckon - every other car in Europe was a Twingo in the late 90s early 2000s
https://en.wheelsage.org/renault/twingo/i/pictures/uuhgxd (https://en.wheelsage.org/renault/twingo/i/pictures/uuhgxd)
Spot on!  8((()*/   It's definitely a Renault Twingo in the factory.  Same odd bonnet shape, same black plastic air intake under left side of bonnet, same two-colour bumper, headlights, etc...


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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 22, 2020, 08:02:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 07:36:29 AM

I had a look at the source of this site...at the comments. They are predominately from intelligent logical people with a good understanding of evidence...imo. Almost no one accusing the parents. Commments such as these two...


He’s denied a body, forensics, further witnesses but on countless occasions won’t deny whether they have pictures or videos.

When the prosecutor has material evidence and she’s sure she is dead, must mean they have something substantial. The only known difference between the MET & BKA investigation is the 8000+ images and videos found. The BKA are certain and aren’t sharing with the MET. So their answer must have been found in the stash of digital evidence they found.

and....

When asked if he has video evidence, Wolters reaction says it all doesn’t it

Wolters evidence could well be images of maddie that show her post abduction. Images that don't confirm her death but suggest death followed...very unpleasant..

Wolters imo is building a solid circumstantial case...hes in no rush he wants to get it right and I think he will.

the solid /concrete evidence is on the memory sticks
So let's move your theory on. If there's memory sticks  (found under his old, dead dog) and on them is 'evidence' that MM is dead - i.e. images of her dead body, and they apparently have him 'at the scene' on that fateful night (which is still in doubt), it can mean only one thing; that he's not actually in the pictures and there's no forensic evidence to link him to them with any degree of certainty. The searches may well have pertained to the scenes in the background, whatever, or they may have tried to trace other victims identities in all of the images (which they should).

So, with this in mind - what's the bad guy up to? (As Stephen Cannell used as his writing mantra). Surely the holy grail for an inveterate paedo is to have himself in the pictures, or at least performing some depraved act. But this can't be the case, otherwise it would be slam dunk.

It points to one logical conclusion, if this hypothetical scenario is correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 22, 2020, 08:06:21 AM
Quote from: sadie on September 21, 2020, 07:35:33 PM
Dunno Myster.

Funny things happen to oval(ish) shapes that follow a rounded background (the cars bodywork - wings) when seen from different angles


Cars of that green colour are pretty few and far between.  I think Anthro could be right.   It is certainly something that should be looked at by the police IMO.   Maybe, that could be the bit of evidence that convicts CB.


Suggest you send it to SY Anthro.
Anthro could be onto something, if the Germans haven't investigated it before now.  Renault... check, Green... check, in factory belonging to Brueckner... check.

Contact the BKA, Anthro, if you haven't already done so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 08:18:32 AM
Quote from: The General on September 22, 2020, 08:02:16 AM
So let's move your theory on. If there's memory sticks  (found under his old, dead dog) and on them is 'evidence' that MM is dead - i.e. images of her dead body, and they apparently have him 'at the scene' on that fateful night (which is still in doubt), it can mean only one thing; that he's not actually in the pictures and there's no forensic evidence to link him to them with any degree of certainty. The searches may well have pertained to the scenes in the background, whatever, or they may have tried to trace other victims identities in all of the images (which they should).

So, with this in mind - what's the bad guy up to? (As Stephen Cannell used as his writing mantra). Surely the holy grail for an inveterate paedo is to have himself in the pictures, or at least performing some depraved act. But this can't be the case, otherwise it would be slam dunk.

It points to one logical conclusion, if this hypothetical scenario is correct.

I dont think the sticks show a dead maddie.......thats why HCW doesnt say he has proof of her death. But from the evidence in the photos/videos its most likely daeth followed. if you think this is unlikely its exactly what happened in the Rui pedro case...another boy abducted in portugal.

I'm sure he isnt in the pictures. The question is whether there is enough circumstantial evidence to prove the link as in the  Gilroy case. Thats going to take some time to put together hence the delay...but theres no rush.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 22, 2020, 08:37:57 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 08:18:32 AM
I dont think the sticks show a dead maddie.......thats why HCW doesnt say he has proof of her death. But from the evidence in the photos/videos its most likely daeth followed. if you think this is unlikely its exactly what happened in the Rui pedro case...another boy abducted in portugal.

I'm sure he isnt in the pictures. The question is whether there is enough circumstantial evidence to prove the link as in the  Gilroy case. Thats going to take some time to put together hence the delay...but theres no rush.
Clearly there isn't enough circumstantial evidence otherwise he wouldn't need to appeal for information  - and he would have been charged by now.
There's no rush, but the squeeze is now on. Even the German press are beginning to ask questions.
Put up or shut up Hansie.

....but what's the bad guy up to? Did he have a 'terrible job'? (if you can believe an ex with a grudge) What could this job be? I mean, is abducting, raping and killing a child something to dread for a known paedophile? No. This 'job' is something else......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 08:46:58 AM
Quote from: The General on September 22, 2020, 08:37:57 AM
Clearly there isn't enough circumstantial evidence otherwise he wouldn't need to appeal for information  - and he would have been charged by now.
There's no rush, but the squeeze is now on. Even the German press are beginning to ask questions.
Put up or shut up Hansie.

....but what's the bad guy up to? Did he have a 'terrible job'? (if you can believe an ex with a grudge) What could this job be? I mean, is abducting, raping and killing a child something to dread for a known paedophile? No. This 'job' is something else......
It might have been his way of dissociating himself from the crime he knew he was about to commit, by making out it was something he had no control over.  Just my own cod-psychoanalysis interpretation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 22, 2020, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 07:36:29 AM

I had a look at the source of this site...at the comments. They are predominately from intelligent logical people with a good understanding of evidence...imo. Almost no one accusing the parents. Commments such as these two...


He’s denied a body, forensics, further witnesses but on countless occasions won’t deny whether they have pictures or videos.

When the prosecutor has material evidence and she’s sure she is dead, must mean they have something substantial. The only known difference between the MET & BKA investigation is the 8000+ images and videos found. The BKA are certain and aren’t sharing with the MET. So their answer must have been found in the stash of digital evidence they found.

and....

When asked if he has video evidence, Wolters reaction says it all doesn’t it

Wolters evidence could well be images of maddie that show her post abduction. Images that don't confirm her death but suggest death followed...very unpleasant..

Wolters imo is building a solid circumstantial case...hes in no rush he wants to get it right and I think he will.

the solid /concrete evidence is on the memory sticks

You have already deduced that from first  reports of the finding of Brueckner's collection of photos and videos.

Unfortunately everything Wolters has said and done since seems to bear it out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 09:16:33 AM
Quote from: The General on September 22, 2020, 08:37:57 AM
Clearly there isn't enough circumstantial evidence otherwise he wouldn't need to appeal for information  - and he would have been charged by now.
There's no rush, but the squeeze is now on. Even the German press are beginning to ask questions.
Put up or shut up Hansie.

....but what's the bad guy up to? Did he have a 'terrible job'? (if you can believe an ex with a grudge) What could this job be? I mean, is abducting, raping and killing a child something to dread for a known paedophile? No. This 'job' is something else......

My view is there may be enough circumstantial evidence to show CB killed Maddie..but courts work on the principle that they would rather let a guilty man walk free than convict an innocent man... So CB wants to get as much as he can to make his case, stronger
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 22, 2020, 09:18:24 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 22, 2020, 08:06:21 AM
Anthro could be onto something, if the Germans haven't investigated it before now.  Renault... check, Green... check, in factory belonging to Brueckner... check.

Contact the BKA, Anthro, if you haven't already done so.

Sound advice.
If the Germans have already worked it out for themselves no harm done.

But it is worth remembering as a member did yesterday that they may not be entirely au fait with the content of the PJ files from the time.

I would pass it on to the BKA and SY, Anthro.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 22, 2020, 09:18:24 AM
Sound advice.
If the Germans have already worked it out for themselves no harm done.

But it is worth remembering as a member did yesterday that they may not be entirely au fait with the content of the PJ files from the time.

I would pass it on to the BKA and SY, Anthro.

Sounds like you don't think germans or SY are doing a very good job. B
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 22, 2020, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: The General on September 22, 2020, 08:02:16 AM
So let's move your theory on. If there's memory sticks  (found under his old, dead dog) and on them is 'evidence' that MM is dead - i.e. images of her dead body, and they apparently have him 'at the scene' on that fateful night (which is still in doubt), it can mean only one thing; that he's not actually in the pictures and there's no forensic evidence to link him to them with any degree of certainty. The searches may well have pertained to the scenes in the background, whatever, or they may have tried to trace other victims identities in all of the images (which they should).

So, with this in mind - what's the bad guy up to? (As Stephen Cannell used as his writing mantra). Surely the holy grail for an inveterate paedo is to have himself in the pictures, or at least performing some depraved act. But this can't be the case, otherwise it would be slam dunk

It points to one logical conclusion, if this hypothetical scenario is correct..

I am not an expert on the paedo , but to me that sounds a very valid point.

In fact the whole scenario that you talk about seems valid, based upon what you say about the Paedo wanting to be in the oicture alongside the victim



Horrible, dirty man that he is, I think that he might have been set up.  Set up ruthlessly by the huge powerful global group of traffickers that want everyone to believe that Madeleine is dead -  and that this guy CB murdered her.   Set up in order to stop the searching for Madeleine, who, based on facts and pointers that I have found, I honestly believe is almost certainly still alive.


I think that CB might have been involved in the abduction, but I don't know.   I doubt, however that he has harmed her because we have no proof (unless I have missed something) that CB has actually touched any child.   Also there was this BIG payment he was getting.

I think it likely that he was commissioned, with his supreme burgling ability, to abduct her - but to do it in a way where she wasn't physically hurt.

CB has been bust; he is no longer any use to the Drug Barons.   The Drug Barons are likely allied to the Traffickers.


CB wouldn't dare to point the finger at the traffickers/drug barons, because he would know what happens to people who cross them.

Fingers cut off, ears cut off, testicles sliced thru etc etc.  Finally skackled and drowned.   Etc



This is mainly just thoughts and may not be correct, but IMO it should be looked at by the Authorities,  [If they dare!]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 22, 2020, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 11:38:38 AM
Sounds like you don't think germans or SY are doing a very good job. B

Quite the contrary.

I think the present investigators from all three national police forces are doing an excellent job. 

Although I must admit to being dismayed at the beginning of the year when it became obvious that someone in the Policia Judiciaria has been giving confidential information about the investigation to a member of the public.

Not only is that unethical, it is illegal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 22, 2020, 12:24:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on September 22, 2020, 12:21:35 PM
Quite the contrary.

I think the present investigators from all three national police forces are doing an excellent job. 

Although I must admit to being dismayed at the beginning of the year when it became obvious that someone in the Policia Judiciaria has been giving confidential information about the investigation to a member of the public.

Not only is that unethical, it is illegal.
Call the police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 22, 2020, 12:45:56 PM
Quote from: The General on September 22, 2020, 12:24:55 PM
Call the police.

That may very well have already happened.  Particularly as well as a disgrace to Nation and the Judicial Police there is precedent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 22, 2020, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Brietta on September 22, 2020, 12:45:56 PM
That may very well have already happened.  Particularly as well as a disgrace to Nation and the Judicial Police there is precedent.
Great. If it did he's still sat on a sun lounger on his terrace smoking cigars and fielding calls from an idiotic press pack. And I bet the victims of the various crimes he cleared over a distinguished career think he's the dogs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 12:52:31 PM
Quote from: The General on September 22, 2020, 12:49:57 PM
Great. If it did he's still sat on a sun lounger on his terrace smoking cigars and fielding calls from an idiotic press pack. And I bet the victims of the various crimes he cleared over a distinguished career think he's the dogs.
It’s a lovely little fantasy world you’ve created there in Goncland.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 12:53:51 PM
If HCW interviews CB now he has to disclose all his evidence.  What if the investigation is part of a bigger investigation and if CB is alerted it could warn others
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 22, 2020, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 12:53:51 PM
If HCW interviews CB now he has to disclose all his evidence.  What if the investigation is part of a bigger investigation and if CB is alerted it could warn others
Fair point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: The General on September 22, 2020, 01:01:36 PM
Fair point.
Falls of chair ....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 01:25:31 PM
Falls of chair ....
LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 01:31:08 PM
Material evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead, say German prosecutors
July 30 2020, 12.01am
Hans Christian Wolters, the public prosecutor in Braunschweig, northwest Germany, told Portuguese television that investigators had evidence the British toddler, who was three when she was taken from a holiday resort in the Algarve in 2007, had died.

The Sun newspaper reported on Monday that Brückner’s lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, said he had proof that Brückner was innocent.

The prosecutor’s office wrote to Madeleine McCann’s parents in June saying it knew that their daughter had been murdered but was unable to reveal the evidence. It said Madeleine had been killed after being abducted from the resort in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Mr Wolters said at the time: “We don’t have forensic evidence but we have other evidence.”

He could not immediately be reached for comment and it is unclear whether his office has received any new evidence since June.

Brückner is in prison in the northern German city of Kiel, serving a sentence for drug dealing. He is appealing against a conviction for rape in 2005, which carries a seven-year sentence that he is yet to serve.

German prosecutors and Scotland Yard have been following up hundreds of leads after public appeals that featured a farmhouse that Brückner rented on the outskirts of Praia da Luz. They also featured a Jaguar and a camper van that he owned.

It emerged last week that police had been looking for computer memory sticks in July when they searched an allotment near Hanover believed to have been used by Brückner. Prosecutors declined to say whether any had been found.

A separate search in 2016 of a dilapidated former factory 30 miles from Braunschweig had uncovered memory sticks containing more than 8,000 files, including images or videos showing the abuse of infants, children and adolescents. About 100 of the files were pictures of Brückner partly naked.

A Portuguese investigative TV show last week claimed that Brückner had an accomplice in Madeleine’s abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 01:37:37 PM
Out of interest why do people expect to be told the evidence against any suspect before a case comes to trial?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 22, 2020, 02:04:42 PM
https://www.defence-barrister.co.uk/disclosure-in-criminal-cases (https://www.defence-barrister.co.uk/disclosure-in-criminal-cases)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: The General on September 22, 2020, 02:04:42 PM
https://www.defence-barrister.co.uk/disclosure-in-criminal-cases (https://www.defence-barrister.co.uk/disclosure-in-criminal-cases)

from your link..

When does the duty to disclose commence?
The statutory duty under the CPIA commences once the defendant (in the Magistrates’ Court) has pleaded not guilty and the case has been adjourned for trial or (for cases going to the Crown Court) once the case has been sent for trial to the Crown Court (see s.1 CPIA).




I think germany is similar to Portugal where once questioned as an arguido a suspect must be told of all the evidence against them. Thats how we know all the evidence the PJ had against the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: The General on September 22, 2020, 02:04:42 PM
https://www.defence-barrister.co.uk/disclosure-in-criminal-cases (https://www.defence-barrister.co.uk/disclosure-in-criminal-cases)
Not sure if this was aimed at me or not as you're supposed to be ignoring my posts but if it was and you're reading this The General I was not referring to the defendants (obviously they have a right to know the evidence against them) I was referring to the general public, you, me and the rest of the busy bodies on this forum.  Why do WE expect to be informed of the evidence against a suspect prior to charges or a court case?  It seems there is an expectation that HCW will reveal all to the world's press and if he doesn't then that must mean there is none.  What an illogical argument if I may say so. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 22, 2020, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 22, 2020, 02:14:11 PM
Not sure if this was aimed at me or not as you're supposed to be ignoring my posts but if it was and you're reading this The General I was not referring to the defendants (obviously they have a right to know the evidence against them) I was referring to the general public, you, me and the rest of the busy bodies on this forum.  Why do WE expect to be informed of the evidence against a suspect prior to charges or a court case?  It seems there is an expectation that HCW will reveal all to the world's press and if he doesn't then that must mean there is none.  What an illogical argument if I may say so.
Are you saying that nobody, other than the defendant, should be party to such evidence ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 02:28:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on September 22, 2020, 02:16:37 PM
Are you saying that nobody, other than the defendant, should be party to such evidence ?
Is that what I'm saying dear Jassi, is it really?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 21, 2020, 07:05:29 PM
We will find out in the next two or three months...

Think we will find out sooner than that.

You can always live in hope though.D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 22, 2020, 02:50:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 22, 2020, 02:28:59 PM
Is that what I'm saying dear Jassi, is it really?

I don't know - that's why i'm asking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 03:31:03 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 02:40:12 PM
Think we will find out sooner than that.

You can always live in hope though.D

Isn't that what you are doing...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on September 22, 2020, 02:50:29 PM
I don't know - that's why i'm asking.
I'm just curious to know why you would need to ask me if that's what I meant when my meaning was very clear.  "I was referring to the general public, you, me and the rest of the busy bodies on this forum.  Why do WE expect to be informed of the evidence against a suspect prior to charges or a court case?"  I don't think I said that the only person who should know the evidence should be the defendant did I?  Obviously the prosecution would know the evidence too!  Remember the couple who got arrested and charged for killing their daughter last week?  Did the prosecutor have to run the evidence past the general public first?  No it did not.  Is the country demanding to be told the evidence prior to the court case?  Not that I'm aware.  Are there people on forums scoffing and jeering that there is no evidence in that case simply because they have not been told what it is?  Well, probably, but that's people on forums for you...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 22, 2020, 04:58:35 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 21, 2020, 07:01:14 AM
Yet more confirmation from Herr Wolters of the McCanns' innocence

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12722481/madeleine-mccann-parents-cleared-german-police/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12722481/madeleine-mccann-parents-cleared-german-police/)

This is so predictable. The German cops weren't there in 2007, they have never interrogated the parents or had any first-hand contact with original witnesses whereas Amaral and his team had such access. The Germans come to this investigation years later and only have access to files which most of us have already seen so their boasts and claims are not in the least credible.

In my view their conduct is reprehensible and brings nothing to the enquiry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 22, 2020, 04:58:35 PM
This is so predictable. The German cops weren't there in 2007, they have never interrogated the parents or had any first-hand contact with original witnesses whereas Amaral and his team had such access. The Germans come to this investigation years later and only have access to files which most of us have already seen so their boasts and claims are not in the least credible.

In my view their conduct is reprehensible and brings nothing to the enquiry.
Do you have a cite for this?  No, thought not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 05:10:34 PM

I dont see why they have to put mccs cleared when it is supposed to be about CB.

IMO they seem to be opening a can of worms - and covering there backs as mccs, not their suspects.

It doesn't make sense that they have to make a point of it when it is CB they are investigating.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on September 22, 2020, 04:58:35 PM
This is so predictable. The German cops weren't there in 2007, they have never interrogated the parents or had any first-hand contact with original witnesses whereas Amaral and his team had such access. The Germans come to this investigation years later and only have access to files which most of us have already seen so their boasts and claims are not in the least credible.

In my view their conduct is reprehensible and brings nothing to the enquiry.
Amaral and his team didn't understand the evidence... Which means their conclusions were flawed imo
The pj we're there when the rape took place... The Germans weren't.. But the Germans solved it... The pj didnt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on September 22, 2020, 12:21:35 PM
Quite the contrary.

I think the present investigators from all three national police forces are doing an excellent job. 

Although I must admit to being dismayed at the beginning of the year when it became obvious that someone in the Policia Judiciaria has been giving confidential information about the investigation to a member of the public.

Not only is that unethical, it is illegal.


that someone in the Policia Judiciaria has been giving confidential information about the investigation to a member of the public.

What confidential information was that - do you know it was confidential whatever it is your on about.

Who was the member of the public?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 05:34:07 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 05:10:34 PM
I dont see why they have to put mccs cleared when it is supposed to be about CB.

IMO they seem to be opening a can of worms - and covering there backs as mccs, not their suspects.

It doesn't make sense that they have to make a point of it when it is CB they are investigating.

He was responding to amarals interference
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 05:39:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 05:34:07 PM
He was responding to amarals interference

Is that IYO or just your interference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 05:41:22 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 05:39:52 PM
Is that IYO or just your interference.

Do you not read the articfles...thers no need for an imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 05:43:18 PM
Mr Wolters said: "I think the Portuguese officials still think that Maddie's parents are responsible for her disappearance.

“I can’t judge the work of my Portuguese colleagues. From our perspective, the suspect is in jail in Germany right now.
“We think that the parents don’t have anything to do with it."

He added: "We are convinced that our 43-year-old suspect is the murderer of Maddie McCann.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 05:54:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 05:43:18 PM
Mr Wolters said: "I think the Portuguese officials still think that Maddie's parents are responsible for her disappearance.

“I can’t judge the work of my Portuguese colleagues. From our perspective, the suspect is in jail in Germany right now.
“We think that the parents don’t have anything to do with it."

He added: "We are convinced that our 43-year-old suspect is the murderer of Maddie McCann.”

Strange they only think.

My point was why even bring the mccs into it....regardless of what FF is saying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 05:43:18 PM
Mr Wolters said: "I think the Portuguese officials still think that Maddie's parents are responsible for her disappearance.

“I can’t judge the work of my Portuguese colleagues. From our perspective, the suspect is in jail in Germany right now.
“We think that the parents don’t have anything to do with it."

He added: "We are convinced that our 43-year-old suspect is the murderer of Maddie McCann.”

Except the Portuguese have primacy in the case and, according to Wolter, they think that it’s the parents what done it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 05:54:48 PM
Strange they only think.

My point was why even bring the mccs into it....regardless of what FF is saying.
its amarals involvement
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 06:03:01 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 05:54:48 PM
Strange they only think.

My point was why even bring the mccs into it....regardless of what FF is saying.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
Except the Portuguese have primacy in the case and, according to Wolter, they think that it’s the parents what done it.

The germans can try CB in germnay......I think Wolters was being facetious. It looks like hes dragging the portuguese into reality
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 06:03:11 PM
The germans can try CB in germnay......I think Wolters was being facetious. It looks like hes dragging the portuguese into reality

And I think Wolter was being serious....a professional prosecutor does not say a thing like that in jest...especially if it reflected badly on the parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 06:14:48 PM
If the Portuguese police STILL think the McCanns dunnit after all thes years then 1) they are more stupid than I ever thought possible and B) they have a funny way of going about bringing their key suspects to justice, by basically doing eff all about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 06:16:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 06:11:15 PM
And I think Wolter was being serious....a professional prosecutor does not say a thing like that in jest...especially if it reflected badly on the parents.

then we disagree...  [ad hom removed].
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 22, 2020, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 22, 2020, 06:14:48 PM
If the Portuguese police STILL think the McCanns dunnit after all thes years then 1) they are more stupid than I ever thought possible and B) they have a funny way of going about bringing their key suspects to justice, by basically doing eff all about it.

They're waiting for a bestest mate to spill the beans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 06:24:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 22, 2020, 06:16:33 PM
They're waiting for a bestest mate to spill the beans.
Idle feckers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 22, 2020, 06:27:11 PM
Really,who is he,Reilly ace of spies.



A KEY witness in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann was considered so important Scotland Yard sealed off an entire hotel for his statement and swept the building for bugs.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12739051/madeleine-mccann-witness-crucial-cops-sealed-off-entire-hotel-swept-building-bugs/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 06:16:10 PM
then we disagree..

They are bald words. There is no need to understand Wolter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 06:31:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 22, 2020, 06:27:11 PM
Really,who is he,Reilly ace of spies.



A KEY witness in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann was considered so important Scotland Yard sealed off an entire hotel for his statement and swept the building for bugs.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12739051/madeleine-mccann-witness-crucial-cops-sealed-off-entire-hotel-swept-building-bugs/

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 06:34:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 22, 2020, 06:27:11 PM
Really,who is he,Reilly ace of spies.



A KEY witness in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann was considered so important Scotland Yard sealed off an entire hotel for his statement and swept the building for bugs.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12739051/madeleine-mccann-witness-crucial-cops-sealed-off-entire-hotel-swept-building-bugs/
I stayed in an Air BnB in Bali a few years back that had to be swept of bugs on a daily basis, it was gross.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 06:28:30 PM
They are bald words. There is no need to understand Wolter.

several posters have questioned his ability....I understand his strategy...it seems other posters dont
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 06:34:32 PM
several posters have questioned his ability....I understand his strategy...it seems other posters dont

I’m not questioning his ability, simply believing what he said.

Imagine a prosecutor putting the parents of a missing child firmly back in the frame...as a strategy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 06:48:00 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 06:43:44 PM
I’m not questioning his ability, simply believing what he said.

Imagine a prosecutor putting the parents of a missing child firmly back in the frame...as a strategy.

I think you are imagining things. Most would understand hes insulting the PJ...not the parents
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 06:58:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 06:48:00 PM
I think you are imagining things. Most would understand hes insulting the PJ...not the parents

By using the parents ? Why not use Murat ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 07:02:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 22, 2020, 06:48:00 PM
I think you are imagining things. Most would understand hes insulting the PJ...not the parents


HE had no need whatsoever to mention the mccs....none.

It is CB he is suppose to be investigating,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 07:08:44 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 07:02:45 PM

HE had no need whatsoever to mention the mccs....none.

It is CB he is suppose to be investigating,

Absolutely and if he wanted to suggest that the Portuguese police were not moving forward why not use Murat rather than the parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 07:10:21 PM
I love the smell of desperate delusion in the evening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 07:15:32 PM
Let’s see what he actually said shall we?

'Working together with authorities in south European countries is generally more time-consuming.

'They take a long time for everything and the French or British police are faster.

'We do stay in contact with the colleagues in Portugal, but everything is more cumbersome.

'I think the Portuguese officials still think that Maddie's parents are responsible for her disappearance.”

It’s obvious to anyone with more than a couple of braincells to rub together that he is criticising the PJ and his last comment is simply a wry rolleyes in their direction, not a statement of fact. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 22, 2020, 07:17:38 PM
PS: I do hope I used “wry” in the correct context there - I know how aerated some people can get about the use of this contentious little word.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 22, 2020, 07:35:59 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 22, 2020, 07:02:45 PM

HE had no need whatsoever to mention the mccs....none.

It is CB he is suppose to be investigating,

Are you just not wanting to see the truth..

Wolters says CB abducted and killed Maddie

Amaral says CB is innocent and the parents done it.

So who introduced the parents into the debate..


I would think there are still elemments in the PJ who think the parents did it because the first investigation was so inept when it came to understanding the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on September 22, 2020, 08:47:33 PM
During their investigation Germans have also looked at the McCanns and decided they were not involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 22, 2020, 11:25:05 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on September 22, 2020, 08:47:33 PM
During their investigation Germans have also looked at the McCanns and decided they were not involved.

Absolute nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 07:09:12 AM
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 07:16:26 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 07:09:12 AM
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

HCW.. No indications
PJ... No evidence no suspects
SY... Maddie was abducted
What the SC really said... We are not here to judge the guilt or innocence of the McCanns

What the sceptics say... None of the above..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 23, 2020, 07:25:08 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/09/23/exclusive-new-child-sex-probe-launched-against-maddie-suspect-brueckner-as-it-emerges-he-confessed-at-music-festival-in-spains-andalucia-in-2008/
Some more detail from Olive Press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 07:31:53 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 23, 2020, 07:25:08 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/09/23/exclusive-new-child-sex-probe-launched-against-maddie-suspect-brueckner-as-it-emerges-he-confessed-at-music-festival-in-spains-andalucia-in-2008/
Some more detail from Olive Press.

I think the indications are that there is a lot going on behind the scenes and CB will be charged .
Far from backing down HCW, has said he has material evidence ...he's doing a great job imo

I would say HCW had enough evidence  to charge CB but wants to build as strong a case as possible
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 07:49:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 23, 2020, 07:31:53 AM
I think the indications are that there is a lot going on behind the scenes and CB will be charged .
Far from backing down HCW, has said he has material evidence ...he's doing a great job imo

I would say HCW had enough evidence  to charge CB but wants to build as strong a case as possible

Is this what SY are spending search money on - paying drunks for information it seems..




''But he never actually told me what it was that he told Scotland Yard about Christian B and Madeleine, it must have been important because he came back a few days later with lots of money and he was hoppa (drunk) hoppa (drunk).''
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 07:54:37 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 07:49:42 AM
Is this what SY are spending search money on - paying drunks for information it seems..




''But he never actually told me what it was that he told Scotland Yard about Christian B and Madeleine, it must have been important because he came back a few days later with lots of money and he was hoppa (drunk) hoppa (drunk).''

concrete...material evidence.........the memeory sticks...no doubt about it...imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 08:02:46 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 07:49:42 AM
Is this what SY are spending search money on - paying drunks for information it seems..




''But he never actually told me what it was that he told Scotland Yard about Christian B and Madeleine, it must have been important because he came back a few days later with lots of money and he was hoppa (drunk) hoppa (drunk).''
Who said that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 08:03:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 23, 2020, 07:54:37 AM
concrete...material evidence.........the memeory sticks...no doubt about it...imo

Well, I suppose you are entitled to your opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 08:11:52 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 08:03:51 AM
Well, I suppose you are entitled to your opinion.

concrete...material evidence is not my opinion.. It's Wolters statement
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 08:56:42 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 07:49:42 AM
Is this what SY are spending search money on - paying drunks for information it seems..




''But he never actually told me what it was that he told Scotland Yard about Christian B and Madeleine, it must have been important because he came back a few days later with lots of money and he was hoppa (drunk) hoppa (drunk).''

Cite for your quote
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 23, 2020, 09:06:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 23, 2020, 08:56:42 AM
Cite for your quote
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12739051/madeleine-mccann-witness-crucial-cops-sealed-off-entire-hotel-swept-building-bugs/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 09:08:18 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 23, 2020, 09:06:04 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12739051/madeleine-mccann-witness-crucial-cops-sealed-off-entire-hotel-swept-building-bugs/

As I thought... The Sun

Any conviction won't rely in such statements... Those I would class as intelligence.
What will be important is the material.. Concrete evidence HCW has
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 23, 2020, 09:10:47 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 07:09:12 AM
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

When did the Germans interview the McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 09:22:15 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on September 23, 2020, 09:10:47 AM
When did the Germans interview the McCanns?
17th October 2019. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 23, 2020, 09:23:12 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 09:22:15 AM
17th October 2019.

That's right, they didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 23, 2020, 08:11:52 AM
concrete...material evidence is not my opinion.. It's Wolters statement

So where does HCB say he has concrete... material.evidence.

When u google concrete... material evidence .....it comes up as cement mix lol.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 09:34:04 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 09:26:44 AM
So where does HCB say he has concrete... material.evidence.

When u google concrete... material evidence .....it comes up as cement mix lol.
I've already supplied cites... Although it's widely reported... It's HCW
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 23, 2020, 07:16:26 AM
HCW.. No indications
PJ... No evidence no suspects
SY... Maddie was abducted
What the SC really said... We are not here to judge the guilt or innocence of the McCanns

What the sceptics say... None of the above..

No neither does SY ...so why do you keep using abduction as fact.



Madeleine McCann disappearance remains missing persons inquiry, says Scotland Yard


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Madeleine McCann's disappearance is "still a missing persons inquiry", Scotland Yard said on Friday, as they denied that German police had told her family about evidence that she was dead.

With relations between officials investigating Christian Brückner continuing to be strained, the Metropolitan Police released an extraordinary statement in which it clarified that it had received one letter from German authorities which "did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead".

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 09:55:25 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 09:40:06 AM
No neither does SY ...so why do you keep using abduction as fact.



Madeleine McCann disappearance remains missing persons inquiry, says Scotland Yard


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Madeleine McCann's disappearance is "still a missing persons inquiry", Scotland Yard said on Friday, as they denied that German police had told her family about evidence that she was dead.

With relations between officials investigating Christian Brückner continuing to be strained, the Metropolitan Police released an extraordinary statement in which it clarified that it had received one letter from German authorities which "did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead".
What date is that article?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 09:55:25 AM
What date is that article?

Last week sometime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 10:16:36 AM
Last week sometime.
please supply the link
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 10:20:16 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 10:18:50 AM
please supply the link

OK


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspects-lawyer-22688679
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 10:20:16 AM
OK


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspects-lawyer-22688679
Wrong link, try again please
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 10:27:41 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 10:22:50 AM
Wrong link, try again please

Try reading it properly it is the link.

One of the mistakes people have made is saying there is a film of the rape of the pensioner that is not true,” he said.

“And the prosecution are using two very dubious witnesses to help their case.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 10:38:20 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 10:27:41 AM
Try reading it properly it is the link.

One of the mistakes people have made is saying there is a film of the rape of the pensioner that is not true,” he said.

“And the prosecution are using two very dubious witnesses to help their case.”
How about you try reading properly?  I asked for a date and a link to this post of yours:

Quote
No neither does SY ...so why do you keep using abduction as fact.



Madeleine McCann disappearance remains missing persons inquiry, says Scotland Yard


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Madeleine McCann's disappearance is "still a missing persons inquiry", Scotland Yard said on Friday, as they denied that German police had told her family about evidence that she was dead.

With relations between officials investigating Christian Brückner continuing to be strained, the Metropolitan Police released an extraordinary statement in which it clarified that it had received one letter from German authorities which "did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 10:38:20 AM
How about you try reading properly?  I asked for a date and a link to this post of yours:

It seems the Telegraph was the source, and it said;

20th June?

Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is “still a missing persons inquiry”, Scotland Yard said on Friday, as they denied that German police had told her family about evidence that she was dead.

With relations between officials investigating Christian Brückner continuing to be strained, the Metropolitan Police released an extraordinary statement in which it clarified that it had received one letter from German authorities which “did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead”...

The statement comes in response to the Braunschweig state prosecutor, Hans Christian Wolters, continuing to insist that the Germans are conducting a murder investigation and that he has sent two letters to the McCanns.
https://cde.news/scotland-yard-says-madeleine-mccann-disappearance-remains-missing-persons-inquiry/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 11:42:39 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 11:20:08 AM
It seems the Telegraph was the source, and it said;

20th June?

Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is “still a missing persons inquiry”, Scotland Yard said on Friday, as they denied that German police had told her family about evidence that she was dead.

With relations between officials investigating Christian Brückner continuing to be strained, the Metropolitan Police released an extraordinary statement in which it clarified that it had received one letter from German authorities which “did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead”...

The statement comes in response to the Braunschweig state prosecutor, Hans Christian Wolters, continuing to insist that the Germans are conducting a murder investigation and that he has sent two letters to the McCanns.
https://cde.news/scotland-yard-says-madeleine-mccann-disappearance-remains-missing-persons-inquiry/

Totally irrelevant.. Imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 11:44:30 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 11:20:08 AM
It seems the Telegraph was the source, and it said;

20th June?

Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is “still a missing persons inquiry”, Scotland Yard said on Friday, as they denied that German police had told her family about evidence that she was dead.

With relations between officials investigating Christian Brückner continuing to be strained, the Metropolitan Police released an extraordinary statement in which it clarified that it had received one letter from German authorities which “did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead”...

The statement comes in response to the Braunschweig state prosecutor, Hans Christian Wolters, continuing to insist that the Germans are conducting a murder investigation and that he has sent two letters to the McCanns.
https://cde.news/scotland-yard-says-madeleine-mccann-disappearance-remains-missing-persons-inquiry/
Thanks.  So quite out of date now, seeing as that was 3 months ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 12:11:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 11:44:30 AM
Thanks.  So quite out of date now, seeing as that was 3 months ago.

 @)(++(*

Dont you think its all out of date ...seeing its all nearly four months ago that.

Madeleine McCann: German prisoner Christian Brueckner identified as suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 12:14:54 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 12:11:15 PM
@)(++(*

Dont you think its all out of date ...seeing its all nearly four months ago that.

Madeleine McCann: German prisoner Christian Brueckner identified as suspect
Kizzy, no it's not all out of date, we've had recent statements from HCW to the effect that he has material evidence that Madeleine is dead.  You may laugh but perhaps rather than pooh-poohing everything that is and has been reported you give the investigation the benefit of the doubt and wait until there is a conclusion one way or the other.  If and when the German investigation is wound up with no charges then you can post all the laughing emojis you want, until then it seems a risky strategy to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 11:44:30 AM
Thanks.  So quite out of date now, seeing as that was 3 months ago.

In my opinion Wolters has claimed things which both OG and the McCanns have denied, which leads me to treat his statements with caution.

Hans Christian Wolters said in a letter to Kate and Gerry McCann that he has no doubt their daughter is dead, but he refused to tell them why.
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-letter-to-parents-says-there-is-concrete-evidence-she-is-dead-12007630

Kate and Gerry said: "The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-sent-2-22217573
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 12:28:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
In my opinion Wolters has claimed things which both OG and the McCanns have denied, which leads me to treat his statements with caution.

Hans Christian Wolters said in a letter to Kate and Gerry McCann that he has no doubt their daughter is dead, but he refused to tell them why.
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-letter-to-parents-says-there-is-concrete-evidence-she-is-dead-12007630

Kate and Gerry said: "The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-sent-2-22217573
Funny isn't it?  You also don't trust many of the things that the McCanns or SY have said either.  Basically, if it doesn't suit you to believe it, you choose not to, if it suits you to believe it you do. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 12:14:54 PM
Kizzy, no it's not all out of date, we've had recent statements from HCW to the effect that he has material evidence that Madeleine is dead.  You may laugh but perhaps rather than pooh-poohing everything that is and has been reported you give the investigation the benefit of the doubt and wait until there is a conclusion one way or the other.  If and when the German investigation is wound up with no charges then you can post all the laughing emojis you want, until then it seems a risky strategy to me.

Kizzy, no it's not all out of date, we've had recent statements from HCW to the effect that he has material evidence that Madeleine is dead



Well, Im glad you corrected it to material evidence ...and not concrete material as D said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 01:22:42 PM
Kizzy, no it's not all out of date, we've had recent statements from HCW to the effect that he has material evidence that Madeleine is dead



Well, Im glad you corrected it to material evidence ...and not concrete material as D said.

he used the word concrete before
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 01:28:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
In my opinion Wolters has claimed things which both OG and the McCanns have denied, which leads me to treat his statements with caution.

Hans Christian Wolters said in a letter to Kate and Gerry McCann that he has no doubt their daughter is dead, but he refused to tell them why.
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-letter-to-parents-says-there-is-concrete-evidence-she-is-dead-12007630

Kate and Gerry said: "The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-sent-2-22217573

Wolters sent the letter via SY...It sem SY didnt pass it on. You are jumping to incorrect conclusions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 01:22:42 PM
Kizzy, no it's not all out of date, we've had recent statements from HCW to the effect that he has material evidence that Madeleine is dead



Well, Im glad you corrected it to material evidence ...and not concrete material as D said.
Concrete is a material. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 01:43:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 23, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
he used the word concrete before

Yes ages ago...not as you tried to to make it out.

You think you are a smart A ....but in reality your not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 01:45:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 23, 2020, 01:28:59 PM
Wolters sent the letter via SY...It sem SY didnt pass it on. You are jumping to incorrect conclusions

There are a lot of people jumping to conclusions imo, but I'm not one of them.



http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg619287#msg619287
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 01:46:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 01:45:34 PM
There are a lot of people jumping to conclusions but I'm not one of them.



http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg619287#msg619287
You’ve concluded Wolters statements are unreliable haven’t you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 01:46:41 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 01:43:44 PM
Yes ages ago...not as you tried to to make it out.

You think you are a smart A ....but in reality your not.

You are getting quite insulting to day  but who cares.

so Im right again...wolters has used the term concrete evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 01:45:34 PM
There are a lot of people jumping to conclusions imo, but I'm not one of them.



http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg619287#msg619287


i think you are imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 01:50:26 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 23, 2020, 01:43:44 PM
Yes ages ago...not as you tried to to make it out.

You think you are a smart A ....but in reality your not.

It depends on the meaning of Smart A imo;

someone who is always trying to seem more clever than other people in a way that is annoying:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/smart-arse
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 23, 2020, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 23, 2020, 07:25:08 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/09/23/exclusive-new-child-sex-probe-launched-against-maddie-suspect-brueckner-as-it-emerges-he-confessed-at-music-festival-in-spains-andalucia-in-2008/
Some more detail from Olive Press.

From my reading of  the link supplied by Anthro I think the video may well have been introduced into evidence for the court.

'One of these recordings last year convicted Brueckner of the 2005 rape of a 72 year old American.' Olive Press

The other one filmed in his home was of an unidentified young woman.

So that makes three instances of serious abuse involving him that we know about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 01:46:28 PM
You’ve concluded Wolters statements are unreliable haven’t you?

There is evidence which suggests some of them are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 03:32:47 PM
Re: the video

"The rape of the American woman who had been threatened with a “scimitar” with a 30cm blade remained unsolved until the burglar who found the video contacted German police in 2018. They alerted the Portuguese authorities who matched Brückner’s DNA to the rape".

So if the burglar made up seeing CB doing the rape on the video how would one explain the DNA evidence found in the woman's bed?  How do they reconcile the fact that details of the contents of the video would have to be have cross-referenced with details given by the victim to confirm the likely authenticity of the video? 

Can a serious argument be made that no such video ever existed?  If so, kindly present the argument. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 03:35:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
There is evidence which suggests some of them are.
No there is not.  There is only your interpretation. You think Wolters is unreliable because of what the McCanns and The Met said back in June, but let's not forget: you also think the McCanns and the Met are unreliable too.  Perhaps it just suits you to disbelieve everything anyone says that contradicts your beliefs?  That's your choice but remember, it's only your opinion, and therefore worth nothing at all.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 04:32:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
There is evidence which suggests some of them are.

I think the only evidence is in your head...some refers to more than one so if you disagree cite a couple
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 23, 2020, 03:35:23 PM
No there is not.  There is only your interpretation. You think Wolters is unreliable because of what the McCanns and The Met said back in June, but let's not forget: you also think the McCanns and the Met are unreliable too.  Perhaps it just suits you to disbelieve everything anyone says that contradicts your beliefs?  That's your choice but remember, it's only your opinion, and therefore worth nothing at all.   

There is evidence suggesting that OG and the McCanns contradicted Wolters claims. I have no opinion on the subject, therefore no belief. Perhaps his letter went astray in the post, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 04:34:47 PM
There is evidence suggesting that OG and the McCanns contradicted Wolters claims. I have no opinion on the subject, therefore no belief. Perhaps his letter went astray in the post, but I doubt it.

You said there is evidence of some claims being untrue but you repeatedly only cite this one. I don't beleive this is a false claim. It was reported Wolters sent the letter to SY and they didnt pass it on. Therefore its quite possible that your one claim is false. Should we therefore use your standards and not trust you as  a poster....seems sensible..

Madeleine McCann's parents have failed to receive crucial letters about their daughter's disappearance after a blunder by British police.

Kate and Gerry McCann rubbished claims from German authorities earlier this week that they were sent a note informing them Madeleine is dead.

But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has insisted two letters were indeed sent, albeit indirectly, to Scotland Yard, where police chiefs then failed to pass them on, according to The Sun.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 05:41:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 04:34:47 PM
There is evidence suggesting that OG and the McCanns contradicted Wolters claims. I have no opinion on the subject, therefore no belief. Perhaps his letter went astray in the post, but I doubt it.
you do have an opinion  on the subject - you voiced it earlier today

“In my opinion Wolters has claimed things which both OG and the McCanns have denied, which leads me to treat his statements with caution”.

It’s clear you doubt his honesty and/or reliability IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 23, 2020, 06:21:26 PM
Its clear the Germans are operating on their own.

https://www.met.police.uk/notices/met/operation-grange/

On 12 May 2011 the Met announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the Met’s jurisdiction.

Investigative review
The Met’s involvement, known as Operation Grange, is led by the Specialist Crime Command unit and involved, in the first instance, an ‘investigative review’.  This was a review of all of the investigations that had been previously conducted into the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

Ongoing investigation
In July 2013 the status of the Met’s enquiries changed to that of an investigation, working with the Portuguese authorities to pursue specific lines of enquiry.

The Portuguese authorities retain the lead and the Met continues to work in support of them.

The Home Office continues to fund Operation Grange.

Contact details for Operation Grange
Ways to contact us:

By phone: 0207 321 9251

By email: Operation.grange@met.police.uk
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 06:28:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 23, 2020, 06:21:26 PM
Its clear the Germans are operating on their own.

https://www.met.police.uk/notices/met/operation-grange/

On 12 May 2011 the Met announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the Met’s jurisdiction.

Investigative review
The Met’s involvement, known as Operation Grange, is led by the Specialist Crime Command unit and involved, in the first instance, an ‘investigative review’.  This was a review of all of the investigations that had been previously conducted into the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

Ongoing investigation
In July 2013 the status of the Met’s enquiries changed to that of an investigation, working with the Portuguese authorities to pursue specific lines of enquiry.

The Portuguese authorities retain the lead and the Met continues to work in support of them.

The Home Office continues to fund Operation Grange.

Contact details for Operation Grange
Ways to contact us:

By phone: 0207 321 9251

By email: Operation.grange@met.police.uk

In your opnion....It's quite obvious to me the Met and the Germans are working together.


what it does show clearly is the review looked at all the evidence relating to MMs disapppearance before investigating a specific line of enquiry....abduction...having looked at all the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 23, 2020, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2020, 04:34:47 PM
There is evidence suggesting that OG and the McCanns contradicted Wolters claims. I have no opinion on the subject, therefore no belief. Perhaps his letter went astray in the post, but I doubt it.
Madeleine’s parents have always maintained that they will only accept that Madeleine is dead when her remains have been found. Gerry once said that no parent will give up on their child unless they know for sure the child is dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 23, 2020, 06:34:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 23, 2020, 06:28:12 PM
In your opnion....It's quite obvious to me the Met and the Germans are working together.


what it does show clearly is the review looked at all the evidence relating to MMs disapppearance before investigating a specific line of enquiry....abduction...having looked at all the evidence

Not a word about abduction but you're that hung up on it,you fail to see what is not there,wood for the tree's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 23, 2020, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 23, 2020, 06:34:00 PM
Not a word about abduction but you're that hung up on it,you fail to see what is not there,wood for the tree's.

Abduction is the specific line of enquiry referred to in the remit....do you need a cite
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 23, 2020, 07:24:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 23, 2020, 06:34:00 PM
Not a word about abduction but you're that hung up on it,you fail to see what is not there,wood for the tree's.
Do you think the Met have spent £12m investigating the McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 23, 2020, 08:28:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 23, 2020, 06:36:06 PM
Abduction is the specific line of enquiry referred to in the remit....do you need a cite

No wonder they haven't solved it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 09:42:47 AM
I seem to remember CBs lawyer saying his extradition was illegal... Looks like he's wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 24, 2020, 10:10:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 24, 2020, 09:42:47 AM
I seem to remember CBs lawyer saying his extradition was illegal... Looks like he's wrong
In fairness, it got to the highest appeal court, so it was clearly at least a 50/50 and passed a number of tests.
You've gotta roll with the punches on those decisions of arbitration, just like the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: The General on September 24, 2020, 10:10:11 AM
In fairness, it got to the highest appeal court, so it was clearly at least a 50/50 and passed a number of tests.
You've gotta roll with the punches on those decisions of arbitration, just like the McCanns.

it only got to the highest appeal court because it failed every test.....and then failed again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 24, 2020, 10:17:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 24, 2020, 10:15:11 AM
it only got to the highest appeal court because it failed every test.....and then failed again
Well the McCanns should have listened to counsel. What a waste of the fund's money.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 10:31:16 AM
Quote from: The General on September 24, 2020, 10:17:41 AM
Well the McCanns should have listened to counsel. What a waste of the fund's money.

No it was essential.. Hope the ECHR ruling isn't too soon.. Want to have a proper non isolating party
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 24, 2020, 10:46:06 AM
Brueckner loses his bid for early prison release...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22733952 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22733952)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 24, 2020, 10:52:22 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 24, 2020, 10:46:06 AM
Brueckner loses his bid for early prison release...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22733952 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22733952)
Get in!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 24, 2020, 10:56:27 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8767567/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-bid-jail-rejected.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 11:15:38 AM
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=231565&pageIndex=0&doclang=DE&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=4351967
This is the complete text of the judgement. No English version available as yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
The above link has an English version at the top.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 11:40:09 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
The above link has an English version at the top.

strange that for some reason ireland was represented at the Hearing...

 by XC, represented by lawyers M. Franzikowski and F. S. Fülscher,

- the Attorney General at the Federal Court of Justice, represented by P. Frank and S. Heine as authorized representatives,

- the German government, represented by J. Möller, M. Hellmann and F. Halabi as Agents,

- Ireland, by J. Quaney, acting as Agents, and by M. Gray, QC,

- the European Commission, represented by S. Grünheid and R. Troosters as authorized agents,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 24, 2020, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
The above link has an English version at the top.
The drop down list for English doesn't work for me, so this is a better link...

http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=229601&pageIndex=0&doclang=en&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1 (http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=229601&pageIndex=0&doclang=en&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1)

Sorry, the above link is to the preliminary decision - OPINION OF ADVOCATE GENERAL BOBEK delivered on 6 August 2020


But still no English version available of the latest decision, is there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 24, 2020, 01:19:03 PM
Google Chrome offers a translation option when that link is loaded
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on September 24, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 24, 2020, 11:40:09 AM
strange that for some reason ireland was represented at the Hearing...

 by XC, represented by lawyers M. Franzikowski and F. S. Fülscher,

- the Attorney General at the Federal Court of Justice, represented by P. Frank and S. Heine as authorized representatives,

- the German government, represented by J. Möller, M. Hellmann and F. Halabi as Agents,

- Ireland, by J. Quaney, acting as Agents, and by M. Gray, QC,

- the European Commission, represented by S. Grünheid and R. Troosters as authorized agents,

For the Irish holiday rep?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 24, 2020, 12:11:49 PM
The drop down list for English doesn't work for me, so this is a better link...

http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=229601&pageIndex=0&doclang=en&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1 (http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=229601&pageIndex=0&doclang=en&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1)

Sorry, the above link is to the preliminary decision - OPINION OF ADVOCATE GENERAL BOBEK delivered on 6 August 2020

Go to the top left corner.

But still no English version available of the latest decision, is there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 02:00:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/SextaAs9/videos/624884468391210/
Sandra F tomorrow on material evidence against Brückner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 24, 2020, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 02:00:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/SextaAs9/videos/624884468391210/
Sandra F tomorrow on material evidence against Brückner.
Can't wait.
To continue my misogynist ways, Sandra looks like she did her make up on horseback.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 02:24:57 PM
Quote from: The General on September 24, 2020, 02:17:16 PM
Can't wait.
To continue my misogynist ways, Sandra looks like she did her make up on horseback.

I don't think you are a misogynist at all... But I don't think there's a word for a pathological dislike for all things McCann and those that dare to say anything that supports their innocence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 24, 2020, 02:28:29 PM

Quote from: jassi on September 24, 2020, 01:19:03 PM
Google Chrome offers a translation option when that link is loaded
I've tried both Firefox and Google Chrome but there's still no English translation option in either the top left-hand drop down box or the one on the right, i.e. all EU languages are present except English... weird!  Probably something iffy about my security settings, but it doesn't matter though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 24, 2020, 02:40:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 24, 2020, 02:24:57 PM
I don't think you are a misogynist at all... But I don't think there's a word for a pathological dislike for all things McCann and those that dare to say anything that supports their innocence
You still have me wrong. I've give way fewer shits that you have me down for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: The General on September 24, 2020, 02:40:09 PM
You still have me wrong. I've give way fewer shits that you have me down for.
I have you down for someone who doesn't understand  the dog alerts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 24, 2020, 03:23:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 24, 2020, 03:00:38 PM
I have you down for someone who doesn't understand  the dog alerts
Fair enough. I had a Boxer as a child. It used to jump up at tree branches and hang there for several minutes.
I didn't understand that dog then and I still don't.

[all this dog talk is on topic because CB allegedly had a dog that died]

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 24, 2020, 05:35:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 24, 2020, 10:31:16 AM
No it was essential.. Hope the ECHR ruling isn't too soon.. Want to have a proper non isolating party

And of course make sure the phone box is free.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 24, 2020, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: The General on September 24, 2020, 02:17:16 PM
Can't wait.
To continue my misogynist ways, Sandra looks like she did her make up on horseback.

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 05:59:40 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 24, 2020, 02:28:29 PM
I've tried both Firefox and Google Chrome but there's still no English translation option in either the top left-hand drop down box or the one on the right, i.e. all EU languages are present except English... weird!  Probably something iffy about my security settings, but it doesn't matter though.

This is the only way I could get to transfer the English version.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 06:09:18 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 06:10:52 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 24, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 24, 2020, 05:59:40 PM
This is the only way I could get to transfer the English version.
I would have been satisfied with the summary I posted earlier today but thank you for taking the time and trouble to screenshot all that, Anthro.  Downloaded the lot to read later.  At least we know CB won't be squeezing through his cell bars on a technicality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: The General on September 24, 2020, 02:17:16 PM
Can't wait.
To continue my misogynist ways, Sandra looks like she did her make up on horseback.

OMG Too Funny!

Why would the German police lie about sending a letter? could they resend it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 24, 2020, 02:28:29 PM
I've tried both Firefox and Google Chrome but there's still no English translation option in either the top left-hand drop down box or the one on the right, i.e. all EU languages are present except English... weird!  Probably something iffy about my security settings, but it doesn't matter though.

Try opera browser (with added vpn) and duck duck search engine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 24, 2020, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 24, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
I would have been satisfied with the summary I posted earlier today but thank you for taking the time and trouble to screenshot all that, Anthro.  Downloaded the lot to read later.  At least we know CB won't be squeezing through his cell bars on a technicality.

Indeed.
I do hope it's a wee while before he is allowed to be free to continue his ghastly criminal behaviour.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 24, 2020, 07:06:22 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 24, 2020, 05:37:53 PM
@)(++(*

You really do find the General's posts extremely funny..
I'm sure he appreciates your silly laughing emoticon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 24, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
I would have been satisfied with the summary I posted earlier today but thank you for taking the time and trouble to screenshot all that, Anthro.  Downloaded the lot to read later.  At least we know CB won't be squeezing through his cell bars on a technicality.

No thank goodness. He probably will serve extra time added on as per trial by media and McCann supporters.

Evidence so far:

1. he is a sexual deviant and known paedophile - as are others in Portugal  CF for example.
2. s...k of the  highest order
3 he has a van  (like many other people in Portugal)
4. he is a career criminal and was in Portugal (many other people were in Portugal at that time too)
5. his friend said so - his ex girlfriend talked about him abusing her daughter (they waited years before telling anyone) it sucks to be shy!
6 He is German  does he know who won that war?
7. he is he spitting image of Tanneman apart from: weight ,height, skin /hair colour and hair shape and he looks NOTHING like victoria Beckham from the ankles down.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 24, 2020, 07:06:22 PM
You really do find the General's posts extremely funny..
I'm sure he appreciates your silly laughing emoticon.

I am even more shoorer than you he will love it!  8**8:/:
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 24, 2020, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 24, 2020, 07:06:22 PM
You really do find the General's posts extremely funny..
I'm sure he appreciates your silly laughing emoticon.
I think there’s something going on between those two. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 24, 2020, 07:14:36 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 07:10:58 PM
I am even more shoorer than you he will love it!  8**8:/:

Ok.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 24, 2020, 07:16:19 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 06:56:24 PM
Try opera browser (with added vpn) and duck duck search engine.
Just installed Opera, but got the same no English result.  Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on September 24, 2020, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 24, 2020, 07:13:19 PM
I think there’s something going on between those two.

Not sure but Faith does find his....think he is a he....very very funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 24, 2020, 07:18:26 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 07:10:58 PM
I am even more shoorer than you he will love it!  8**8:/:
I was under the impression that The General took a dim view of those who used emojis, but he probably makes an exception for his fan girls.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 24, 2020, 07:16:19 PM
Just installed Opera, but got the same no English result.  Thanks anyway.

I love opera...my favourite is "Phantom"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 07:52:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 24, 2020, 07:18:26 PM
I was under the impression that The General took a dim view of those who used emojis, but he probably makes an exception for his fan girls.

Oh I just love the Generals dim views as well as finding him very, very, very funny!
Oh hang on... it is against forum roolz to discuss people and not the content o fposts- trying to make this into a chatroom?

I love opera...my favourite is "Phantom"

"Girly giggles" Phanto isn't an opera.. shhhh
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 07:52:03 PM
Oh I just love the Generals dim views as well as finding him very, very, very funny!
Oh hang on... it is against forum roolz to discuss people and not the content o fposts- trying to make this into a chatroom?

I love opera...my favourite is "Phantom"

"Girly giggles" Phanto isn't an opera.. shhhh

I know pahntom isnt an opera...its alittle joke...im not surprised you didnt realise...I caught you out

Im not an opera buff but my favourite is Mozarts Magic Flute... I love the Queen of the Night Aria

My daughter went back packing for  a year...I went to Sydney for  a week to see her ...guess what was palying at Sydney Opera house...not Phantom...Bloody Mozart and his magic flute... we drank champagne...then had a meal at that restauarant in the tower  that revolves...what memories are made of
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 24, 2020, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 24, 2020, 07:06:22 PM
You really do find the General's posts extremely funny..
I'm sure he appreciates your silly laughing emoticon.

Glad to see the humour bypass was a success.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 24, 2020, 08:17:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 24, 2020, 07:40:57 PM
I love opera...my favourite is "Phantom"

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 24, 2020, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: Erngath on September 24, 2020, 07:17:49 PM
Not sure but Faith does find his....think he is a he....very very funny.

And ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 24, 2020, 08:20:20 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 07:09:27 PM
No thank goodness. He probably will serve extra time added on as per trial by media and McCann supporters.

Evidence so far:

1. he is a sexual deviant and known paedophile - as are others in Portugal  CF for example.
2. s...k of the  highest order
3 he has a van  (like many other people in Portugal)
4. he is a career criminal and was in Portugal (many other people were in Portugal at that time too)
5. his friend said so - his ex girlfriend talked about him abusing her daughter (they waited years before telling anyone) it sucks to be shy!
6 He is German  does he know who won that war?
7. he is he spitting image of Tanneman apart from: weight ,height, skin /hair colour and hair shape and he looks NOTHING like victoria Beckham from the ankles down.

The German police think they know his phone number in 2007 and they know that number was called at 7.30pm on 3rd May. A 30 minute phone call followed and was recorded on a phone mast in PdL. It isn't possible to be sure that the user of the phone was in PdL, however.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 08:22:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 24, 2020, 08:17:29 PM
Bit pedestrian for my taste.

its a joke...

like I used to like the pound shop...then I found The 99p shop..I think its slightly better value. its part of my partty piece intersperced with a recitation of "Two roads diverged in  a yellow wood"  Its  a dad thing but fortunately for my chidren... I dont dance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 08:22:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 24, 2020, 08:15:25 PM
Glad to see the humour bypass was a success.

Yeah You OWN it Gurl !  lol I think it is you they don't like and not your post-because it is very personal. High Five!




Yes Davel I know it was a joke- I got it.. I annotated it. shhh
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 08:24:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 24, 2020, 08:17:29 PM
@)(++(*
thank you ..theres more
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 08:30:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 24, 2020, 08:20:20 PM
The German police think they know his phone number in 2007 and they know that number was called at 7.30pm on 3rd May. A 30 minute phone call followed and was recorded on a phone mast in PdL. It isn't possible to be sure that the user of the phone was in PdL, however.

Thank you  G for reminding me he had a phone as well. :)

The police THINK does not equate to evidence
A phone call was made from a phone  he allegedly owned at that time in PDL
 to someone unknown and there whereabouts is also unknown.

Dammed I missed all that!  Hang the b@strd on the legal definition of 'well it could have been him'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 08:30:08 PM
Thank you  G for reminding me he had a phone as well. :)

The police THINK does not equate to evidence
A phone call was made from a phone  he allegedly owned at that time in PDL
 to someone unknown and there whereabouts is also unknown.

Dammed I missed all that!  Hang the b@strd on the legal definition of 'well it could have been him'

the german police say they have enough evidence to say CB killed MMM...not think...they dont use the word think...you seem abit out of touch
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 24, 2020, 08:39:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 24, 2020, 08:32:44 PM
the german police say they have enough evidence to say CB killed MMM...not think...they dont use the word think...you seem abit out of touch

Say it but not prove it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 24, 2020, 08:47:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 24, 2020, 08:39:36 PM
Say it but not prove it.

 the german police say they have enough evidence to show that CB killed Maddie. They cannot say they have enough evidence to prove it....that would be up to the judge. Im not surprised I have to expalin such  a basic fact to you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 08:52:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 24, 2020, 08:39:36 PM
Say it but not prove it.

People say a lot of things...

a discussion on another forum (not so out of touch)...

"CB may have seen something and bragged about it, he may have information who is responsible AND may even have stumbled across a trinket of some sort.."

Discuss.

We discussed it without anyone being called names or it being moderated. Cool!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 24, 2020, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 08:22:51 PM
Yeah You OWN it Gurl !  lol I think it is you they don't like and not your post-because it is very personal. High Five!




Yes Davel I know it was a joke- I got it.. I annotated it. shhh

As Eleanor Roosevelt said ‘what other people think of me is none of my business’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 25, 2020, 11:27:05 AM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on September 24, 2020, 08:30:08 PM
Thank you  G for reminding me he had a phone as well. :)

The police THINK does not equate to evidence
A phone call was made from a phone  he allegedly owned at that time in PDL
 to someone unknown and there whereabouts is also unknown.

Dammed I missed all that!  Hang the b@strd on the legal definition of 'well it could have been him'


His best mate told the Police he had told him he had snatched Madeleine.   Now do you think this witness went around asking all these other people to say things about CB,  such as the ex saying that he told her he had a horrible job to do tomorrow which would change his life,  the tomorrow being the 3rd of May?   Or the other people who said he went mad when they were talking about Madeleine and told them she was dead?   Or that the ping from CB's phone was outside the Tapas?   So many coincidences aren't there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 11:39:29 AM
Quote from: Lace on September 25, 2020, 11:27:05 AM

His best mate told the Police he had told him he had snatched Madeleine.   Now do you think this witness went around asking all these other people to say thins about CB,  such as the ex saying that he told her he had a horrible job to do tomorrow which would change his life,  the tomorrow being the 3rd of May?   Or the other people who said he was mad when they were talking about Madeleine and told them she was dead?   Or that the ping from CB's phone was outside the Tapas?   So many coincidences aren't there?

The media have printed various tales, but whether that means those tales were true or were told to the police we don't know. How many times have people told the media things which never happened? I can think of a few.

There is no evidence which pinpoints the location of CB's alleged mobile phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 25, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 11:39:29 AM
The media have printed various tales, but whether that means those tales were true or were told to the police we don't know. How many times have people told the media things which never happened? I can think of a few.

There is no evidence which pinpoints the location of CB's alleged mobile phone.

It seems we are not privy to all the evidence the Germans have so when we are we can make sn informed judgement.  Afaiac based on the evidence we have heard he looks a very very likely candidate.. We need to wait for the rest of the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 25, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
It seems we are not privy to all the evidence the Germans have so when we are we can make sn informed judgement.  Afaiac based on the evidence we have heard he looks a very very likely candidate.. We need to wait for the rest of the evidence

I agree completely with your first sentence, but not your second. In my opinion we have heard a lot of speculation but very little actual evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 25, 2020, 12:37:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 12:30:23 PM
I agree completely with your first sentence, but not your second. In my opinion we have heard a lot of speculation but very little actual evidence.

We've been told by Wolters he has enough evidence to show CB kllled MM... No speculation.  You speculate he's dishonest... I see no reason to suggest thst and no reason to suggest he does not have something  significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 25, 2020, 12:41:30 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 25, 2020, 11:27:05 AM

His best mate told the Police he had told him he had snatched Madeleine.   Now do you think this witness went around asking all these other people to say things about CB,  such as the ex saying that he told her he had a horrible job to do tomorrow which would change his life,  the tomorrow being the 3rd of May?   Or the other people who said he went mad when they were talking about Madeleine and told them she was dead?   Or that the ping from CB's phone was outside the Tapas?   So many coincidences aren't there?

No, not if there not true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 25, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 25, 2020, 12:41:30 PM
No, not if there not true.

We will know soon what evidence wolters had and what evidence FF has
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 25, 2020, 12:46:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 25, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
We will know soon what evidence wolters had and what evidence FF has
IMO you are being overly optimistic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 25, 2020, 12:50:07 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 25, 2020, 12:46:13 PM
IMO you are being overly optimistic.

Imo I'm not

Wolters has said he wants to progress the case by the end of the year.. Two months... That's soon..

I don't think FF has anything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 25, 2020, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 11:39:29 AM
The media have printed various tales, but whether that means those tales were true or were told to the police we don't know. How many times have people told the media things which never happened? I can think of a few.

There is no evidence which pinpoints the location of CB's alleged mobile phone.

We'll see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 25, 2020, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 25, 2020, 12:50:07 PM
Imo I'm not

Wolters has said he wants to progress the case by the end of the year.. Two months... That's soon..

I don't think FF has anything
There will be more to the equation than just what Wolters wants.   If he is dependent on delivering by Christmas IMO he will be having sleepless nights.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on September 25, 2020, 01:23:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 11:39:29 AM
The media have printed various tales, but whether that means those tales were true or were told to the police we don't know. How many times have people told the media things which never happened? I can think of a few.

There is no evidence which pinpoints the location of CB's alleged mobile phone.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 25, 2020, 01:32:56 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 25, 2020, 01:23:55 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/
From that article "Christian B is believed to have been using the number (+351) 912730680 - with the call starting at 7.32pm and ending at 8.02pm on May 3, 2007.

Around one hour after the call ended, Madeleine is believed to have been taken from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

She vanished some time between 9.10pm and 10pm."

If my theory is correct and Madeleine is snatched of the street around 9:50 PM, either that gives someone time to plan something or to be miles away 2 hours later.

I hadn't realised the phone call was so early in the evening.   The McCanns were getting ready to go out.  Madeleine was supervised at that time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 25, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 25, 2020, 01:21:44 PM
There will be more to the equation than just what Wolters wants.   If he is dependent on delivering by Christmas IMO he will be having sleepless nights.

Wolters knows what he has and he knows what he needs...hes in a position to make a judgement you are just speculating.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 25, 2020, 01:23:55 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/

There is no "mast which belongs to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz." The masts belong to the phone companies, and record calls from outside the village as well as inside it.


Mr Wolters said: "We know that the phone number which was used by our suspect on May 3, 2007, was connecting to the mast which belongs to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz."

TV host Liz Hayes then presses the prosecutor on if they can place Christian B at the scene.

He replies: "Yes, we think so."

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 25, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: Lace on September 25, 2020, 01:23:55 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/

Interesting.  Diogo da Silva.  Wasn't that the name of the Brazilian couple who had a boat in the Marina?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 25, 2020, 02:30:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 25, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
Interesting.  Diogo da Silva.  Wasn't that the name of the Brazilian couple who had a boat in the Marina?

Don't know what they were called but it seems Scotland Yard thought a Brazilian couple were of interest in 2014.

EXCLUSIVE: Brazilians in the frame in Madeleine hunt
The behaviour of a Brazilian couple who were seen acting suspiciously around the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is now being re-examined by Portuguese police.
By JAMES MURRAY
00:01, Sun, Dec 14, 2014

After British detectives sat in on interviews in Faro with witnesses last week, the Sunday Express can reveal Policia Judiciaria co-ordinator Ana Paula Rito is taking a broader look at leads which may not have been fully pursued.

She is now keen to learn more about the Brazilian couple, who are said to have expressed a strong desire to have a child when they were in the ­Algarve in May 2007 when Madeleine vanished.

A few days after Madeleine vanished from flat 5a of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, a British man came forward with his concerns about the couple and was interviewed by Portuguese detectives.

On the night of the abduction the man was closing his video rental shop just a few streets away from the apartment.

At 10.45pm, 45 minutes after Kate McCann had discovered that her daughter was missing, he noticed the Brazilian woman, aged about 25, driving past his shop in a red car.

He told police there was a dog in the front seat and the woman driver kept looking at something on the back seat which he could not see.

Her partner, a bald Brazilian man in his early 40s, had worked on a local farm but was fired after some machinery was damaged and later worked at Lagos marina, about four miles from Luz doing boat ­repair work.

The couple, who were staying on a yacht at the marina left shortly after the disappearance and have not been seen again.

A dark-haired woman seen hanging around the apartment at 8pm on the night Madeleine vanished has never been identified or traced.

On Friday expatriate British businessman Robert Murat was ­re-interviewed for several hours, the last of 10 witnesses to be seen.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/546818/Brazilian-couple-who-wanted-a-child-re-examined-in-Madeleine-hunt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 25, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
Interesting.  Diogo da Silva.  Wasn't that the name of the Brazilian couple who had a boat in the Marina?

His name was Edival Silva, as reported by Simon Russell, whose parents previously employed him.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_855.jpg

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 25, 2020, 05:20:21 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 25, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
Interesting.  Diogo da Silva.  Wasn't that the name of the Brazilian couple who had a boat in the Marina?
There is also talk of Brückner’s ex’s connection to people with boats in Praia da Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 25, 2020, 05:41:25 PM
But lawyer Friedrich Fulscher insists they have the wrong man.

"I cannot go into details but it is very significant and involves someone who has provided me with vital information," he said.

"When I reveal it you will fall off your chair ...



We will Freidrich... We absolutely  will
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 25, 2020, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 02:39:48 PM
His name was Edival Silva, as reported by Simon Russell, whose parents previously employed him.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_855.jpg

Sarah Silva was the woman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 25, 2020, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 25, 2020, 06:05:53 PM
Sarah Silva was the woman.
Can you please share some more information/references as to Sarah Silva?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 25, 2020, 07:41:04 PM
Why? She had nothing to do with the disappearance. You can see her name in the PJ files blanked out S and S.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 25, 2020, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on September 25, 2020, 07:41:04 PM
Why? She had nothing to do with the disappearance. You can see her name in the PJ files blanked out S and S.
Presumably, the same principle would be applicable to Madeleine’s father?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 08:13:23 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 25, 2020, 07:57:21 PM
Presumably, the same principle would be applicable to Madeleine’s father?

He was connected with Madeleine, was allegedly the last person to see her and was made arguido. This woman had no known connection to the case at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 25, 2020, 08:42:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 25, 2020, 08:13:23 PM
He was connected with Madeleine, was allegedly the last person to see her and was made arguido. This woman had no known connection to the case at all.
She hasn’t been cleared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 25, 2020, 08:51:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 25, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
Interesting.  Diogo da Silva.  Wasn't that the name of the Brazilian couple who had a boat in the Marina?
If hey were involved in stealing a child could easy have an alias.  e.g "John Smith" or "Diogo da Silva" and using a burner phone.

If his wife was Sarah wouldn't she be called Sarah da Silva rather than Sarah Silva.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 25, 2020, 08:56:10 PM
I've just been watching Sonia P interviewing Mark S and it confirms something  I raised yesterday.
Mark S says he can't really consider CB as a suspect because if he did he would have to discard all the evidence he's already accepted... Like the dog alerts.. What an absolute plonker.

Then we have... Why are the Germans saying it's a homicide case and yet SY are saying missing person.... And if the Germans have this evidence why aren't they sharing it with SY

If I know the answer to both these questions  why doesn't SP and MS... They are supposed to be the professionals
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 25, 2020, 09:04:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 25, 2020, 08:56:10 PM
I've just been watching Sonia P interviewing Mark S and it confirms something  I raised yesterday.
Mark S says he can't really consider CB as a suspect because if he did he would have to discard all the evidence he's already accepted... Like the dog alerts.. What an absolute plonker.

Then we have... Why are the Germans saying it's a homicide case and yet SY are saying missing person.... And if the Germans have this evidence why aren't they sharing it with SY

If I know the answer to both these questions  why doesn't SP and MS... They are supposed to be the orofessionals

Mark S ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 25, 2020, 09:08:04 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 25, 2020, 09:04:09 PM
Mark S ?

You mean you don't know
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 25, 2020, 09:09:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 25, 2020, 09:08:04 PM
You mean you don't know

No.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 25, 2020, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 25, 2020, 09:09:04 PM
No.

I find that hard to believe... Saunokonoko
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 25, 2020, 09:25:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 25, 2020, 09:10:43 PM
I find that hard to believe... Saunokonoko

Ah yes...thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 12:46:50 AM
Is there anyone speaking Portuguese in here? Did the German prosecutor in Portuguese RTP programme say they had evidence that CB was in 5A?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 26, 2020, 05:02:38 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 12:46:50 AM
Is there anyone speaking Portuguese in here? Did the German prosecutor in Portuguese RTP programme say they had evidence that CB was in 5A?
I'd think that would be the smoking gun the Germans admit to not having,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 26, 2020, 07:17:58 AM
If only this was in English  8(8-)) ...

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e494145/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e494145/sexta-as-9)

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e495504/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e495504/sexta-as-9)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 26, 2020, 07:20:39 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 26, 2020, 07:17:58 AM
If only this was in English  8(8-)) ...

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e494145/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e494145/sexta-as-9)

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e495504/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e495504/sexta-as-9)

Can't be nothing startling in there,else we'd soon know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 26, 2020, 07:27:32 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 12:46:50 AM
Is there anyone speaking Portuguese in here? Did the German prosecutor in Portuguese RTP programme say they had evidence that CB was in 5A?

I see where its coming from,caveat, Rowley 2017: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/german-police-dont-need-madeleine-22745358



German prosecutors have insisted they do not need Madeleine McCann’s body to prosecute the man they believe killed her.

Braunschweig-based Hans Christian Wolters says authorities simply need to be “convinced” she is dead to put the suspect on trial.

His claims will lead to speculation prosecutors are closer to charging Christian Brueckner as Mr Wolters recently claimed they had “material evidence” Madeleine was dead.

He also appeared to hint German authorities could have evidence placing the 43-year-old paedophile in the Praia da Luz holiday flat the British youngster vanished from on May 3, 2007.

Mr Wolters admitted they were no closer to establishing the identity of the person who had made a half-hour phone call to Brueckner on his mobile while he was near the Ocean Club complex shortly before Madeleine disappeared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 26, 2020, 07:28:01 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 26, 2020, 07:20:39 AM
Can't be nothing startling in there,else we'd soon know.
You're such an absolute pessimist.  Give it a rest and the BKA a chance!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 26, 2020, 07:30:47 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 26, 2020, 07:28:01 AM
You're such an absolute pessimist.  Give it a rest and the BKA a chance!

Far from it,I woke up again this morning, the rest of the day is a bonus. (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Next quote from FF.. Even if it can be shown my client was in 5a it doesn't prove he abducted MM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 26, 2020, 09:02:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 26, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Next quote from FF.. Even if it can be shown my client was in 5a it doesn't prove he abducted MM
Well how many people were in PDL that night?   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 09:03:41 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 26, 2020, 07:17:58 AM
If only this was in English  8(8-)) ...

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e494145/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e494145/sexta-as-9)

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e495504/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e495504/sexta-as-9)

When our Portuguese friends thought there were things that condemned the McCanns there was no problem in things being translated.  Where are they now to share the good news that implicates CB and exonerates the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 09:04:50 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 26, 2020, 09:02:42 AM
Well how many people were in PDL that night?
If you read my post again it says inside 5a not in PDL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 26, 2020, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: Myster on September 26, 2020, 07:17:58 AM
If only this was in English  8(8-)) ...

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e494145/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e494145/sexta-as-9)

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e495504/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e495504/sexta-as-9)
This is a translation about Brückner and an alibi, posted on another forum:
SF: does Christian brueckner have any alibi for the 3rd of may 2007 between 7.30 and 10pm?
FF: I can't say anything about that.
SF: But if was he with someone. Do you believe if this case goes to court you'll be able to present someone who could say he / she was with him on that night?
FF: We are analyzing several elements. But for now I cannot make any concrete statement
SF: but when you ask him he assumes he was in Algarve on the 3rd may 2007?
FF: I can't say anything about that, either. I can't tell you where he was at that time
SF: if at this moment you would find out that your client is lying to you, would you keep defending him?
FF: it wouldn't be the first time that a client has lied to a lawyer. If that happens, you are not especially smart. But it is even understandable from a human point of view. Then I would have to have a very serious conversation with him. I would probably continue to defend him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 26, 2020, 09:38:59 AM
Google translated from RTP
Madeleine McCann. Desaparecimento terá envolvido russos e alemães

Madeleine McCann. Disappearance will have involved Russians and Germans

There is increasing evidence that the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was a group crime that involved Russian and German citizens living in the Algarve.

The spokesman for the Braunshweig prosecutor says that Bruckner may have acted alone, but Friday at 9 pm collected testimonies and documents that contradicted this hypothesis.

Evidence that shows that if Bruckner is Madeleine's murderer, he is more likely to have had his ex-girlfriend, Nicole Felhinger, as an accomplice.

She was the one who had contacts with Russian citizens who are being sought by the German justice for having had contacts with Bruckner in the spring of 2007.

It was also Nicole who knew babysitters, because she was babysitting and took care of troubled young people from Germany to the Algarve .

The Friday at 9investigated a robbery just half a year after Madeleine disappeared. A source very close to Christian Bruckner assures us that Nicole was the mastermind of the theft of a house in Albufeira. Bruckner carried out the crime.

The assault was premeditated in 48 hours and had the same modus operandi as the Madeleine case - a phone call before the crime to warn Bruckner that he could enter the house and only one specific purpose stolen.

From the house in Albufeira, only a suitcase with 100 thousand euros disappeared. From the McCanns' apartment, only Madeleine disappeared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 26, 2020, 09:36:31 AM
This is a translation about Brückner and an alibi, posted on another forum:
SF: does Christian brueckner have any alibi for the 3rd of may 2007 between 7.30 and 10pm?
FF: I can't say anything about that.
SF: But if was he with someone. Do you believe if this case goes to court you'll be able to present someone who could say he / she was with him on that night?
FF: We are analyzing several elements. But for now I cannot make any concrete statement
SF: but when you ask him he assumes he was in Algarve on the 3rd may 2007?
FF: I can't say anything about that, either. I can't tell you where he was at that time
SF: if at this moment you would find out that your client is lying to you, would you keep defending him?
FF: it wouldn't be the first time that a client has lied to a lawyer. If that happens, you are not especially smart. But it is even understandable from a human point of view. Then I would have to have a very serious conversation with him. I would probably continue to defend him.

As I predicted over  a month ago he doesnt seem to have an alibi or be able to explain where he was...a massive red flag
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 26, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 26, 2020, 09:36:31 AM
This is a translation about Brückner and an alibi, posted on another forum:
SF: does Christian brueckner have any alibi for the 3rd of may 2007 between 7.30 and 10pm?
FF: I can't say anything about that.
SF: But if was he with someone. Do you believe if this case goes to court you'll be able to present someone who could say he / she was with him on that night?
FF: We are analyzing several elements. But for now I cannot make any concrete statement
SF: but when you ask him he assumes he was in Algarve on the 3rd may 2007?
FF: I can't say anything about that, either. I can't tell you where he was at that time
SF: if at this moment you would find out that your client is lying to you, would you keep defending him?
FF: it wouldn't be the first time that a client has lied to a lawyer. If that happens, you are not especially smart. But it is even understandable from a human point of view. Then I would have to have a very serious conversation with him. I would probably continue to defend him.

Everyone is entitled to representation and on the basis that 'someone has to do it' I congratulate FF saying that he probably would continue doing so even in the circumstances detailed.

But lawyers for Brueckner have resigned prior to this.

Snip
The German suspect in the investigation of the disappearance of little Maddie McCann has new lawyers: Friedrich Fülscher and Johann Schwenn, who do not wish to “give more details for the moment”.

His previous advice, Jan-Christian Hochmann and David Volke, resigned Wednesday for reasons they did not specify ...

Last week, the German federal police (BKA) and the Braunschweig public prosecutor’s office surprised everyone by announcing that a 43-year-old individual was suspected of the assassination of little Maddie, ...
German police are convinced that the girl is dead.

The lawyers for the German suspect in the Maddie McCann case have resigned. Masters Jan-Christian Hochamann and David Volke have informed the competent authorities. They didn’t want to say why they quit.

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/06/german-suspects-lawyers-withdraw.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 10:26:25 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 26, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
Everyone is entitled to representation and on the basis that 'someone has to do it' I congratulate FF saying that he probably would continue doing so even in the circumstances detailed.

But lawyers for Brueckner have resigned prior to this.

Snip
The German suspect in the investigation of the disappearance of little Maddie McCann has new lawyers: Friedrich Fülscher and Johann Schwenn, who do not wish to “give more details for the moment”.

His previous advice, Jan-Christian Hochmann and David Volke, resigned Wednesday for reasons they did not specify ...

Last week, the German federal police (BKA) and the Braunschweig public prosecutor’s office surprised everyone by announcing that a 43-year-old individual was suspected of the assassination of little Maddie, ...
German police are convinced that the girl is dead.

The lawyers for the German suspect in the Maddie McCann case have resigned. Masters Jan-Christian Hochamann and David Volke have informed the competent authorities. They didn’t want to say why they quit.

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/06/german-suspects-lawyers-withdraw.html

So FF has only been his lawyer since june 2020...so was not his lawyer in the rape case.
Then hi sprevious lawyers quit when he became a suspect in teh MM case.....I wonder why they quit
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 26, 2020, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 26, 2020, 09:04:50 AM
If you read my post again it says inside 5a not in PDL
What a weird thing to say.  FF says: "Even if it can be shown my client was in 5a it doesn't prove he abducted MM"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on September 26, 2020, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 26, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
Everyone is entitled to representation and on the basis that 'someone has to do it' I congratulate FF saying that he probably would continue doing so even in the circumstances detailed.

But lawyers for Brueckner have resigned prior to this.

Snip
The German suspect in the investigation of the disappearance of little Maddie McCann has new lawyers: Friedrich Fülscher and Johann Schwenn, who do not wish to “give more details for the moment”.

His previous advice, Jan-Christian Hochmann and David Volke, resigned Wednesday for reasons they did not specify ...

Last week, the German federal police (BKA) and the Braunschweig public prosecutor’s office surprised everyone by announcing that a 43-year-old individual was suspected of the assassination of little Maddie, ...
German police are convinced that the girl is dead.

The lawyers for the German suspect in the Maddie McCann case have resigned. Masters Jan-Christian Hochamann and David Volke have informed the competent authorities. They didn’t want to say why they quit.

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/06/german-suspects-lawyers-withdraw.html

Were (are) any of them pro bono? If not, who's footing the bill?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 12:10:30 PM
Quote from: Carana on September 26, 2020, 11:47:31 AM
Were (are) any of them pro bono? If not, who's footing the bill?

The German State pays the lawyer's fees if the defendant has no money.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 26, 2020, 11:11:38 AM
What a weird thing to say.  FF says: "Even if it can be shown my client was in 5a it doesn't prove he abducted MM"

Have you read the post I was responding to
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 12:26:08 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 12:46:50 AM
Is there anyone speaking Portuguese in here? Did the German prosecutor in Portuguese RTP programme say they had evidence that CB was in 5A?

Bump
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 01:22:05 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 12:46:50 AM
Is there anyone speaking Portuguese in here? Did the German prosecutor in Portuguese RTP programme say they had evidence that CB was in 5A?

saw this on another site...


The most intriguing part of last night’s interview with Sarah Felgueiras was Wolters hinting that he may now have forensic evidence placing Christian B inside apartment 5A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 26, 2020, 01:27:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 26, 2020, 01:22:05 PM
saw this on another site...


The most intriguing part of last night’s interview with Sarah Felgueiras was Wolters hinting that he may now have forensic evidence placing Christian B inside apartment 5A.

Then they better charge him then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 26, 2020, 01:27:55 PM
Then they better charge him then.

Im sure they will and I fully understand why they havent even interviewed him yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 26, 2020, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 26, 2020, 01:22:05 PM
saw this on another site...


The most intriguing part of last night’s interview with Sarah Felgueiras was Wolters hinting that he may now have forensic evidence placing Christian B inside apartment 5A.
From the Mail...

When asked if he had any forensic evidence placing Brueckner inside the flat where Madeline was sleeping, Mr Wolters replied: 'I have an answer but we have decided not to divulge this information.

'I can't say 'yes' or 'no' as that would bring a thousand other questions and I cannot go into details.

'But you have to believe me when I say we have more evidence.

'Here in Germany our Public Ministry only divulges things when they are solid.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775111/Madeline-McCann-investigators-say-not-need-youngsters-body-prosecute-German-suspect.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775111/Madeline-McCann-investigators-say-not-need-youngsters-body-prosecute-German-suspect.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 01:51:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 12:10:30 PM
The German State pays the lawyer's fees if the defendant has no money.

do you have  a cite for that or have you just made it up..

ACCESS TO LEGAL AID DURING INVESTIGATIVE STAGE
Although accused persons have the right to legal advice prior to interrogation, there is no national mechanism to enable accused persons to consult with a lawyer, and very few positive obligations on the police to assist the accused to contact a lawyer. A broad variety of emergency defence lawyer services have been set up on a local basis, and lawyers can participate on a voluntary basis, but there is no national or centrally organised and managed scheme. In addition, the accused is not explicitly entitled to a lawyer during the interrogation itself, however the law provides for the right to access legal advice in each stage of proceedings. In practice, accused persons are routinely interrogated without receiving the assistance of a lawyer.

https://mkenyaujerumani.de/2015/05/21/l ... c%20lawyer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 01:53:18 PM
Every lawyer may be appointed as court-appointed counsel; there is no public defender scheme in Germany. However, this lawyer is not necessarily provided free of charge to the accused. Instead, the questions of payment are deferred until after the proceedings are complete.

If convicted, the accused is responsible for the legal costs of the case. As a result, it is common for people to take out insurance against legal expenses in Germany, because of the risks of being held responsible for the costs of a case.

If acquitted, the State pays the court appointed lawyer under the codified ordinary fees scheme.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 26, 2020, 01:30:19 PM
From the Mail...

When asked if he had any forensic evidence placing Brueckner inside the flat where Madeline was sleeping, Mr Wolters replied: 'I have an answer but we have decided not to divulge this information.

'I can't say 'yes' or 'no' as that would bring a thousand other questions and I cannot go into details.

'But you have to believe me when I say we have more evidence.

'Here in Germany our Public Ministry only divulges things when they are solid.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775111/Madeline-McCann-investigators-say-not-need-youngsters-body-prosecute-German-suspect.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775111/Madeline-McCann-investigators-say-not-need-youngsters-body-prosecute-German-suspect.html)

'Here in Germany our Public Ministry only divulges things when they are solid.'

Like the 'solid' fact that there was a mobile phone mast in Portugal belonging to the Ocean Club?

14th June
'So we think that our suspect was, on the day Madeleine was kidnapped in Praia da Luz, near the apartment.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418479/Christian-Brueckner-identified-suspect-McCann-case-Mets-call-log-breakthrough.html

29th June
Mr Wolters said: "We know that the phone number which was used by our suspect on May 3, 2007, was connecting to the mast which belongs to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/

28th July (video)
The data only shows that the phone was there. That's why we need the other person. They could tell us who they spoke to.
https://www.express.co.uk/videos/6175761354001/Madeleine-McCann-Wolters-discusses-important-phone-call

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 02:14:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 02:08:16 PM
'Here in Germany our Public Ministry only divulges things when they are solid.'

Like the 'solid' fact that there was a mobile phone mast in Portugal belonging to the Ocean Club?

14th June
'So we think that our suspect was, on the day Madeleine was kidnapped in Praia da Luz, near the apartment.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418479/Christian-Brueckner-identified-suspect-McCann-case-Mets-call-log-breakthrough.html

29th June
Mr Wolters said: "We know that the phone number which was used by our suspect on May 3, 2007, was connecting to the mast which belongs to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11982215/christian-b-madeleine-mccann-phone-call-praia-da-luz/

28th July (video)
The data only shows that the phone was there. That's why we need the other person. They could tell us who they spoke to.
https://www.express.co.uk/videos/6175761354001/Madeleine-McCann-Wolters-discusses-important-phone-call


I think you will almost certainly find that is poor translation ...either by HCW himself or by the papers. In this instnace belonging to would be translated as close to the Ocean club
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 26, 2020, 02:31:53 PM
Can supporters really not see how nuts this all is ?

A prosecutor who alludes to having forensic evidence but isn’t even questioning never mind charging the suspect. A prosecutor leaking information to the press when that information has not been even been put to the suspect or his lawyer. Imagine that it was a Portuguese prosecutor and the parents were in the frame ? Do you see how nuts it is now ?

For me Wolter likes the limelight that this case has brought him just a little too much and I can only hope that his superiors reign him in soon before he does any more damage to not only his but the German judicial system’s reputation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 26, 2020, 02:39:55 PM
HCW has been at it for months now.  If the German authorities didn't like it you'd have thought they'd have shut him up already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 26, 2020, 02:45:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 26, 2020, 02:31:53 PM
Can supporters really not see how nuts this all is ?

A prosecutor who alludes to having forensic evidence but isn’t even questioning never mind charging the suspect. A prosecutor leaking information to the press when that information has not been even been put to the suspect or his lawyer. Imagine that it was a Portuguese prosecutor and the parents were in the frame ? Do you see how nuts it is now ?

For me Wolter likes the limelight that this case has brought him just a little too much and I can only hope that his superiors reign him in soon before he does any more damage to not only his but the German judicial system’s reputation.

I think your post might not be hitting the mark quite as it should.  I am watching one European state's police force mopping up the failings of another state's police force and judicial system.

I am watching a man who is only now being a prime suspect in a crime for which the evidence was there to justify him being a suspect in 2007.   

All the bluster in the world is not going to change the fact that Amaral claims he was interviewed in 2007 and given a free pass to continue with whatever it was he was doing prior to that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 26, 2020, 02:50:45 PM
I don't see why sceptics are so concerned that Bruckener hasn't yet been questioned.  He's not going to tell the prosecutors anything at all so what difference does it make at this stage anyway?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 26, 2020, 02:52:05 PM
Quote from: Brietta on September 26, 2020, 02:45:45 PM
I think your post might not be hitting the mark quite as it should.  I am watching one European state's police force mopping up the failings of another state's police force and judicial system.

I am watching a man who is only now being a prime suspect in a crime for which the evidence was there to justify him being a suspect in 2007.   

All the bluster in the world is not going to change the fact that Amaral claims he was interviewed in 2007 and given a free pass to continue with whatever it was he was doing prior to that.

You could also be watching a man who has nothing to do with abducting Maddie.

Because abduction is not a set in stone fact....what is a fact is there was no proof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 26, 2020, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 26, 2020, 02:52:05 PM
You could also be watching a man who has nothing to do with abducting Maddie.

Because abduction is not a set in stone fact....what is a fact is there was no proof.
The experienced experts in the field with all the information at their disposal seem to think Madeleine was abducted.  Are they mad?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 26, 2020, 02:52:05 PM
You could also be watching a man who has nothing to do with abducting Maddie.

Because abduction is not a set in stone fact....what is a fact is there was no proof.

If CB is convicted which it seem to be is more likely by the day... Abduction will be proven
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 26, 2020, 04:57:39 PM
Quote from: Brietta on September 26, 2020, 02:45:45 PM
I think your post might not be hitting the mark quite as it should.  I am watching one European state's police force mopping up the failings of another state's police force and judicial system.

I am watching a man who is only now being a prime suspect in a crime for which the evidence was there to justify him being a suspect in 2007.   

All the bluster in the world is not going to change the fact that Amaral claims he was interviewed in 2007 and given a free pass to continue with whatever it was he was doing prior to that.

All these later there doesn’t seem to be the evidence to justify Brueckner’s suspect status so I’m not sure how it would have been available in 2007...with or without Amaral.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 26, 2020, 05:46:47 PM

So no cut the chase.  No one is prepared to say that Brueckner could have been responsible.

I don't really care, but we have an horrible man who needs to be locked up, which he will now be until at least 2014.  After that I wouldn't say much for his chances.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 26, 2020, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 26, 2020, 05:46:47 PM
So no cut the chase.  No one is prepared to say that Brueckner could have been responsible.

I don't really care, but we have an horrible man who needs to be locked up, which he will now be until at least 2014.  After that I wouldn't say much for his chances.

2014 ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 26, 2020, 07:59:21 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 26, 2020, 06:39:22 PM
2014 ?
Why so pedantic? It is a typo.
Brueckner, who is in jail for drug trafficking but was due for release in January, now faces staying there until at least 2024.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 26, 2020, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 26, 2020, 07:59:21 PM
Why so pedantic? It is a typo.
Brueckner, who is in jail for drug trafficking but was due for release in January, now faces staying there until at least 2024.

Faith likes to be a clever clogs from time to time.  She doesn't mean to really offend.  Oh Really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 26, 2020, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Anthro on September 26, 2020, 07:59:21 PM
Why so pedantic? It is a typo.
Brueckner, who is in jail for drug trafficking but was due for release in January, now faces staying there until at least 2024.

How do you work that date out ?
His sentence for drug offences was 15 months.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 26, 2020, 08:50:09 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 26, 2020, 02:52:05 PM
You could also be watching a man who has nothing to do with abducting Maddie.

Because abduction is not a set in stone fact....what is a fact is there was no proof.

If we go back to 2014 ,much the same was hoped of the 3 amigo's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 26, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on September 26, 2020, 08:41:44 PM
How do you work that date out ?
His sentence for drug offences was 15 months.
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/08/07/madeleine-mccann-main-suspect-christian-brueckner-loses-appeal-for-release/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 26, 2020, 08:50:09 PM
If we go back to 2014 ,much the same was hoped of the 3 amigo's.

Its obvious to me after fridays interview that HCW has even more than I thought. If hes right and I'm fairly sure he is then it consigns Grime and his dogs to the bin. I have a lot to say on that but the forum wouldnt allow it.

I watched Mark S last night and it was clear he couldnt accept CB as a suspect because of his faith in the dogs....LOL

and hes  a professional journalist
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 26, 2020, 09:10:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 26, 2020, 08:58:46 PM
Its obvious to me after fridays interview that HCW has even more than I thought. If hes right and I'm fairly sure he is then it consigns Grime and his dogs to the bin. I have a lot to say on that but the forum wouldnt allow it.

I watched Mark S last night and it was clear he couldnt accept CB as a suspect because of his faith in the dogs....LOL

and hes  a professional journalist

Wolters talks hypothetically, notice someone,specifically not mentioning his suspect.

He told investigative reporter Sandra Felgueiras, on RTP show Sexta as 9, last night: 'To indict someone we don't need a body.

'A person can be convicted without a body being found but we have to be convinced a person is dead.'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 09:20:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 26, 2020, 09:10:23 PM
Wolters talks hypothetically, notice someone,specifically not mentioning his suspect.

He told investigative reporter Sandra Felgueiras, on RTP show Sexta as 9, last night: 'To indict someone we don't need a body.

'A person can be convicted without a body being found but we have to be convinced a person is dead.'


I dont see any problem with that...its germany not portugal.. in portugal you can accuse anyone of anything...even write a book about innocent poeple.

Im looking forward to Wolters book... the man who solved the bigggest mystery of the 21 st century. Should be  a best seller
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 10:00:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 26, 2020, 02:58:00 PM
The experienced experts in the field with all the information at their disposal seem to think Madeleine was abducted.  Are they mad?

One group of experts have failed to discover the 'concrete' evidence of murder during years of investigating, so they don't seem to have had all the information at their disposal. They still don't, apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 10:00:43 PM
One group of experts have failed to discover the 'concrete' evidence of murder during years of investigating, so they don't seem to have had all the information at their disposal. They still don't, apparently.

They didn't have one of the important pieces of the jigsaw... The name of the man suspected of abduction.. Now they do..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 26, 2020, 10:18:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 10:00:43 PM
One group of experts have failed to discover the 'concrete' evidence of murder during years of investigating, so they don't seem to have had all the information at their disposal. They still don't, apparently.
They say they have and who are you to say they don’t?  Have they shared all the information with you? No, and that must be very frustrating for you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 10:21:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 26, 2020, 10:18:41 PM
They say they have and who are you to say they don’t?  Have they shared all the information with you? No, and that must be very frustrating for you.

They're still looking for a missing person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 26, 2020, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 10:21:30 PM
They're still looking for a missing person.
and your point is?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 26, 2020, 09:20:43 PM
I dont see any problem with that...its germany not portugal.. in portugal you can accuse anyone of anything...even write a book about innocent poeple.

Im looking forward to Wolters book... the man who solved the bigggest mystery of the 21 st century. Should be  a best seller

I bet he wouldn'd do it. He is a decent public servant, and he acts as one, not a celebrity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2020, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 10:21:30 PM
They're still looking for a missing person.

Do you really believe that.. Lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 26, 2020, 10:30:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 10:21:30 PM
They're still looking for a missing person.
And these experienced experts with all the information at their disposal seem to think Madeleine was abducted.  Are they mad?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 10:32:52 PM
OK.. please stop biting each other, it is boring.

Please tell me, if you speak Portuguese what is the story about this CB's ex GF Nicole F, why is the German prosecutor not mentioning her and Sandra Ferguson seem to think she is the mastermind?

Also NF's son mentions something like she was a shopaholic and her and CB shared 100 000 EURO, she got more and CB less, why is this?

Why did she leave her foster son miles away and told police to pick him up?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 11:02:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 26, 2020, 10:26:56 PM
and your point is?

OG and Wolters are not following the same path. Were you not including OG in your definition of experts? Have they been relegated?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 26, 2020, 11:05:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 11:02:46 PM
OG and Wolters are not following the same path. Were you not including OG in your definition of experts? Have they been relegated?
Kindly explain what that has got to do with the post of mine you picked up on that the professional experts with all the information are treating the case as one of stranger abduction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 10:32:52 PM
OK.. please stop biting each other, it is boring.

Please tell me, if you speak Portuguese what is the story about this CB's ex GF Nicole F, why is the German prosecutor not mentioning her and Sandra Ferguson seem to think she is the mastermind?

Also NF's son mentions something like she was a shopaholic and her and CB shared 100 000 EURO, she got more and CB less, why is this?

Why did she leave her foster son miles away and told police to pick him up?

I think Sandra's getting carried away and forgetting that she's a journalist, not a police person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 26, 2020, 11:15:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 26, 2020, 10:26:56 PM
and your point is?
Madeleine is still missing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 26, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
I think Sandra's getting carried away and forgetting that she's a journalist, not a police person.
Sometimes investigative journailsts investigate stuff.  Anyway, If it’s ok for you to play at being a detective then why not her? At least she has more access than you do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 26, 2020, 11:16:59 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 26, 2020, 11:15:37 PM
Madeleine is still missing.
Tell me something I don’t know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 26, 2020, 11:19:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 26, 2020, 11:16:59 PM
Tell me somehthing I don’t know.
I bet you don't know where she is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 11:20:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
I think Sandra's getting carried away and forgetting that she's a journalist, not a police person.

IMO she did the better job than PJ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 26, 2020, 11:20:56 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 26, 2020, 11:19:50 PM
I bet you don't know where she is.
I don’t. Next question?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 26, 2020, 11:23:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 26, 2020, 11:20:56 PM
I don’t. Next question?
Another question I asked was if Madeleine was sold how much would she fetch?  (The question reminded me of discussing stock sales.)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 26, 2020, 11:43:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 26, 2020, 08:03:52 PM
Faith likes to be a clever clogs from time to time.  She doesn't mean to really offend.  Oh Really.

I was clarifying rather than offending.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 26, 2020, 11:49:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 26, 2020, 11:02:46 PM
OG and Wolters are not following the same path. Were you not including OG in your definition of experts? Have they been relegated?

And the undercover operation as revealed by Brunt. How does that fit in to the picture of Brueckner as the main suspect ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 27, 2020, 12:00:47 AM
Abduction.  By a stranger.  Two police forces in two different countries are treating this case as such.  Why?  Are they
1) mad
2) bad
3) following the evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 27, 2020, 12:07:33 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 26, 2020, 11:49:27 PM
And the undercover operation as revealed by Brunt. How does that fit in to the picture of Brueckner as the main suspect ?
That deserves it own thread.    "The undercover operation as revealed by Brunt. How does that fit in to the picture of Brueckner as the main suspect?"   Have you got the cite for that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 27, 2020, 12:17:41 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 27, 2020, 12:07:33 AM
That deserves it own thread.    "The undercover operation as revealed by Brunt. How does that fit in to the picture of Brueckner as the main suspect?"   Have you got the cite for that?

https://youtu.be/p_TCXe6AFYQ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 27, 2020, 07:54:51 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 27, 2020, 12:07:33 AM
That deserves it own thread.    "The undercover operation as revealed by Brunt. How does that fit in to the picture of Brueckner as the main suspect?"   Have you got the cite for that?
Martin Brunt has (for years) been reviled by sceptics as a purveyor of fake news, a charlatan, and as responsible for the death of Brenda Leyland.  He is a figure of sceptic scorn and contempt so why any of them should believe he has any insight into this case worth discussing is a mystery.  In any case a thread to discuss any undercover operation would either be very short or just one long speculation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 27, 2020, 08:59:21 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 11:20:47 PM
IMO she did the better job than PJ

Hmmm,if paper speak is true and Wolters is indicating that their suspect was in 5a,how is this known? a witness or DNA collected by the much maligned PJ, pays your money takes your choice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 09:04:46 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 27, 2020, 08:59:21 AM
Hmmm,if paper speak is true and Wolters is indicating that their suspect was in 5a,how is this known? a witness or DNA collected by the much maligned PJ, pays your money takes your choice.

Yes... It's a very interesting question.. We will no doubt soon know... I think a lot of questions will soon be answered

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 27, 2020, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 09:04:46 AM
Yes... It's a very interesting question.. We will no doubt soon know... I think a lot of questions will soon be answered

They'll find a covid vaccine first and that ain't happening anytime soon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 27, 2020, 09:11:40 AM
They'll find a covid vaccine first and that ain't happening anytime soon.
In your opinion ..imo... A lot of questions will be answered soon
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 27, 2020, 09:21:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
In your opinion ..imo... A lot of questions will be answered soon

The tension is palpable. 8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 27, 2020, 09:21:01 AM
The tension is palpable. 8(>((

I think it is in reality... You were asking yourself... What is the evidence for CBs presence in the apartment.

It's possible that this mystery could be solved.  Sceptics it seems don't accept that because of all the evidence they believe points to the parents... They would have to accept they were wrong and consign grime and his dogs to the bin
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 27, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 27, 2020, 09:21:01 AM
The tension is palpable. 8(>((
The goading more so.  &^^&*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 27, 2020, 09:42:26 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
I think it is in reality... You were asking yourself... What is the evidence for CBs presence in the apartment.

It's possible that this mystery could be solved.  Sceptics it seems don't accept that because of all the evidence they believe points to the parents... They would have to accept they were wrong and consign grime and his dogs to the bin
This is never going to happen, even if Bruckner breaks down and confesses on live TV.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 27, 2020, 10:10:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
I think it is in reality... You were asking yourself... What is the evidence for CBs presence in the apartment.

It's possible that this mystery could be solved.  Sceptics it seems don't accept that because of all the evidence they believe points to the parents... They would have to accept they were wrong and consign grime and his dogs to the bin

Its possible lots of things could be solved,imo this isn't one of them,once the German suspect is ruled out through lack of evidence,there'll be nowhere else to go,my stance is well known on it,still see nothing to change my mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 27, 2020, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 27, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
The goading more so.  &^^&*

In the words frome Sheena Easton," for your eye's only"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2020, 10:20:47 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on September 26, 2020, 10:32:52 PM
OK.. please stop biting each other, it is boring.

Please tell me, if you speak Portuguese what is the story about this CB's ex GF Nicole F, why is the German prosecutor not mentioning her and Sandra Ferguson seem to think she is the mastermind?

Also NF's son mentions something like she was a shopaholic and her and CB shared 100 000 EURO, she got more and CB less, why is this?

Why did she leave her foster son miles away and told police to pick him up?

From what I can gather, he's concentrating on the Madeleine investigation and - for the moment - doesn't have any particular reason to think that she may have been an accomplice.

Sandra seems to be coming at it from a different angle: exploring a variety of crimes that took place around that time (most of which don't seem to have been thoroughly investigated - my view) and trying to see if there are any connections.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
I think it is in reality... You were asking yourself... What is the evidence for CBs presence in the apartment.

It's possible that this mystery could be solved.  Sceptics it seems don't accept that because of all the evidence they believe points to the parents... They would have to accept they were wrong and consign grime and his dogs to the bin

If the Germans had evidence placing CB in 5A they wouldn't need to try to place him in Luz via the phone call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
If the Germans had evidence placing CB in 5A they wouldn't need to try to place him in Luz via the phone call.

In your opinion and I think you continually confuse evidence with proof. Lets say they have evidence ...but not proof he was in 5a. Then further evidence  may provide proof. I think you seriously underestimate Wolters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2020, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
If the Germans had evidence placing CB in 5A they wouldn't need to try to place him in Luz via the phone call.

That might depend on the sequence of whatever evidence they may have received / identified.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 11:43:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
In your opinion and I think you continually confuse evidence with proof. Lets say they have evidence ...but not proof he was in 5a. Then further evidence  may provide proof. I think you seriously underestimate Wolters

A fingerprint would place CB at the scene, but I don't think they found any. Mitochondrial DNA suggests a presence, but doesn't prove it. For example the hair found in the Burgau apartment with the same Mitochondrial DNA as Jane Tanner was not proof that she was there. Would a call to her mobile phone in Burgau have helped to prove she was in the apartment? No it wouldn't.

In my opinion you are overestimating Wolters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 11:43:46 AM
A fingerprint would place CB at the scene, but I don't think they found any. Mitochondrial DNA suggests a presence, but doesn't prove it. For example the hair found in the Burgau apartment with the same Mitochondrial DNA as Jane Tanner was not proof that she was there. Would a call to her mobile phone in Burgau have helped to prove she was in the apartment? No it wouldn't.

In my opinion you are overestimating Wolters.


I have other ideas. The Germans solved the rape case so they deserve credit for that.
I have no reason to doubt what Wolters has said...if you have please share. we will know soon enough who is right.


I think sceptics such as yourself cant look at the evidence with an open mind. Like Mark S...and he admitted this...he cant accept it because it contradicts the dogs and other so called evidence he believes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 27, 2020, 12:09:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 11:57:23 AM

I have other ideas. The Germans solved the rape case so they deserve credit for that.
I have no reason to doubt what Wolters has said...if you have please share. we will know soon enough who is right.


I think sceptics such as yourself cant look at the evidence with an open mind. Like Mark S...and he admitted this...he cant accept it because it contradicts the dogs and other so called evidence he believes.

If Wolters can't go to court,then what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 12:12:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 27, 2020, 12:09:47 PM
If Wolters can't go to court,then what?

I think theres very little doubt he can....we can cross that bridge if it arises..

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 27, 2020, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 11:57:23 AM

I have other ideas. The Germans solved the rape case so they deserve credit for that.
I have no reason to doubt what Wolters has said...if you have please share. we will know soon enough who is right.


I think sceptics such as yourself cant look at the evidence with an open mind. Like Mark S...and he admitted this...he cant accept it because it contradicts the dogs and other so called evidence he believes.
Mr Wolters also told Sandra that he cannot answer ‘yes’ or ‘no’ and to just trust him when he says they have more evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
In your opinion and I think you continually confuse evidence with proof. Lets say they have evidence ...but not proof he was in 5a. Then further evidence  may provide proof. I think you seriously underestimate Wolters

Seriously underestimated HCW. ..how,...it seems he is on a fishing expedition only brining out sprats
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 12:30:52 PM
Seriously underestimated HCW. ..how,...it seems he is on a fishing expedition only brining out sprats

I think some people are going to look more than a bit silly in a month ir so.
All those who have supported amarals version of events..

Amaral himself and his entire team.. Poulton... Mark S.. Pat Brown.. All professionals... Then some posters here... All on CMOMM... Etc etc..
And then how will Grime explain his, alerts.. Interesting times ahead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 27, 2020, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: Carana on September 27, 2020, 10:20:47 AM
From what I can gather, he's concentrating on the Madeleine investigation and - for the moment - doesn't have any particular reason to think that she may have been an accomplice.

Sandra seems to be coming at it from a different angle: exploring a variety of crimes that took place around that time (most of which don't seem to have been thoroughly investigated - my view) and trying to see if there are any connections.

I agree with that, Carana.

Two different approaches to the same end I think.  Both are professional investigators but perhaps with slightly different priorities.  Sandra Felgueiras has to use facts to make hers as interesting a story as possible while Hans Christian Wolters  uses unembellished facts to gather evidence which will stand the test in court.

I like Sandra's style and think she may be able to egg the pudding in a way which would be superfluous for Hans Christian's purpose.

I think Sandra is bravely putting everything on the line in the interest of JUSTICE.  It amazes me that people who have paid lip service to the notion for many years have so much negativity regarding those who in one way or another are attempting to deliver it based on facts and evidence.

Takes all kinds I suppose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 12:50:28 PM
I think some people are going to look more than a bit silly in a month ir so.
All those who have supported amarals version of events..

Amaral himself and his entire team.. Poulton... Mark S.. Pat Brown.. All professionals... Then some posters here... All on CMOMM... Etc etc..
And then how will Grime explain his, alerts.. Interesting times ahead

How would grime explain his alerts a few days later if Maddie had been found...

he would have had more of a problem with that.....so why are interesting times ahead ..only to you.

 

What you are making yourself look silly with is... continuing to say anyone is led by GA version of events.

I would say most of the reasons including myself  believe there was no abduction purely on the mccs behaviour from day one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
How would grime explain his alerts a few days later if Maddie had been found...

he would have had more of a problem with that.....so why are interesting times ahead ..only to you.

 

What you are making yourself look silly with is... continuing to say anyone is led by GA version of events.

I would say most of the reasons including myself  believe there was no abduction purely on the mccs behaviour from day one.

So your  evidence is purely the mccanns behavior ...lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 27, 2020, 01:18:24 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
How would grime explain his alerts a few days later if Maddie had been found...

he would have had more of a problem with that.....so why are interesting times ahead ..only to you.

 

What you are making yourself look silly with is... continuing to say anyone is led by GA version of events.

I would say most of the reasons including myself  believe there was no abduction purely on the mccs behaviour from day one.

Grime didn't have to explain anything about the 'alerts'.  He made it patently clear they were intelligence which had to be confirmed forensically.
Why can't sceptics accept his word for that, he plainly explained it in the files.

Those which were confirmed such as the alert to the Renault key fob are all too easily explained.  Those for which there was no back-up evidence don't matter a jot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 27, 2020, 01:20:09 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
How would grime explain his alerts a few days later if Maddie had been found...

he would have had more of a problem with that.....so why are interesting times ahead ..only to you.

 

What you are making yourself look silly with is... continuing to say anyone is led by GA version of events.

I would say most of the reasons including myself  believe there was no abduction purely on the mccs behaviour from day one.

Amaral's version of events were firmly ruled out in 2008.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 12:50:28 PM
I think some people are going to look more than a bit silly in a month ir so.
All those who have supported amarals version of events..

Amaral himself and his entire team.. Poulton... Mark S.. Pat Brown.. All professionals... Then some posters here... All on CMOMM... Etc etc..
And then how will Grime explain his, alerts.. Interesting times ahead

I think you're getting carried away. It might be sensible to wait for dawn before crowing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 27, 2020, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on September 27, 2020, 10:13:56 AM
In the words frome Sheena Easton," for your eye's only"
At least 3 things wrong with that post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 27, 2020, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
If the Germans had evidence placing CB in 5A they wouldn't need to try to place him in Luz via the phone call.
There was evidence placing him in the home of the rape victim and he tried to argue that it got there because he stopped every day to pet the victim's pet cat outside her home.   Best to make sure the case against him is a watertight and the Germans have got plenty of time to nail him good and proper now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 01:22:53 PM
I think you're getting carried away. It might be sensible to wait for dawn before crowing.

I think you are in denial. According to Wolters he has more evidence. You have reached your decision re Wolters...you should take your own advice. I think you and others are blinded by the fact you have beleived so much evidence...that isnt really evidence of anything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 27, 2020, 01:28:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 01:22:53 PM
I think you're getting carried away. It might be sensible to wait for dawn before crowing.
Could you tell that to Barrier too while you're handing out advice, there's a love.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 01:32:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
If the Germans had evidence placing CB in 5A they wouldn't need to try to place him in Luz via the phone call.

With respect...Its been shown you have this wrong...so how much more have you got wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 01:27:25 PM
I think you are in denial. According to Wolters he has more evidence. You have reached your decision re Wolters...you should take your own advice. I think you and others are blinded by the fact you have beleived so much evidence...that isnt really evidence of anything

Wolters has yet to provide any evidence at all, imo, but feel free to believe in him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 27, 2020, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 01:41:02 PM
Wolters has yet to provide any evidence at all, imo, but feel free to believe in him.
Tell us why he should not be believed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 27, 2020, 01:41:58 PM
Tell us why he should not be believed.

ABC
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 27, 2020, 01:52:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
ABC
I prefer to use logic and common sense rather than distrust every word everyone says until I have concrete proof of it.  Have you confirmed that the Coronavirus actually exists and if so how have you confirmed it?  Carried out your own research and evaluation or trusted the opinions and research of others?  Or is it all a big conspiracy to steal our personal freedoms?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 01:54:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 01:12:29 PM
So your  evidence is purely the mccanns behavior ...lol

No not at all and you know that....but it would be off-topic to put on here.

Like yours lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: Brietta on September 27, 2020, 01:20:09 PM
Amaral's version of events were firmly ruled out in 2008.

If you read my post ...It was not me referring to GA as the source of my opinion why the mccs are involved.

Off topic I know as u  ...but his version stood there ground in not having is book banned in 2017.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 02:09:55 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 01:54:33 PM
No not at all and you know that....but it would be off-topic to put on here.

Like yours lol

well put it on the ...evidence against the mccann ..thread. The fact is you dont have any real evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 02:04:13 PM
If you read my post ...It was not me referring to GA as the source of my opinion why the mccs are involved.

Off topic I know as u  ...but his version stood there ground in not having is book banned in 2017.

do you still not understand his book has not been declared true..its full of lies
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 03:05:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 02:11:10 PM
do you still not understand his book has not been declared true..its full of lies

Lol but the lies are not libellous then about the mccs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2020, 03:08:57 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 27, 2020, 03:05:35 PM
Lol but the lies are not libellous then about the mccs.


they are libelloue
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 27, 2020, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 27, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
If the Germans had evidence placing CB in 5A they wouldn't need to try to place him in Luz via the phone call.
The phone call was at a time unrelated to when Madeleine would have disappeared (hours before).  So both become important IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 27, 2020, 08:04:21 PM
In my opinion, the missing pages in the official pj files may well contain some information regarding the current investigation into Brückner. The pages that have not been released in the public domain.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 28, 2020, 07:56:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 12:50:28 PM
I think some people are going to look more than a bit silly in a month ir so.
All those who have supported amarals version of events..

Amaral himself and his entire team.. Poulton... Mark S.. Pat Brown.. All professionals... Then some posters here... All on CMOMM... Etc etc..
And then how will Grime explain his, alerts.. Interesting times ahead
"Lord Nelson, Lord Beaverbrook, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Clement Attlee, Henry Cooper, Lady Diana! Joey Essex! We’ve beaten them all!"

"Maggie Thatcher, can you hear me? Maggie Thatcher, Martin Grime, Martin Smith, George Harrison......."

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 28, 2020, 08:13:09 AM
Quote from: The General on September 28, 2020, 07:56:38 AM
2Lord Nelson, Lord Beaverbrook, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Clement Attlee, Henry Cooper, Lady Diana! Joey Essex! We’ve beaten them all!"

"Maggie Thatcher, can you hear me? Maggie Thatcher, Martin Grime, Martin Smith, George Harrison......."
This is almost certainly worthy of a Faithlilly laughing emoji. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 28, 2020, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 27, 2020, 02:09:55 PM
well put it on the ...evidence against the mccann ..thread. The fact is you dont have any real evidence

Seems it would be better on here.

Your post is really laughable D ...have they any real evidence on CB as being the so called abductor.

I believe he is looking more like the scapegoat by the day..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 28, 2020, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: kizzy on September 28, 2020, 11:04:59 AM
Seems it would be better on here.

Your post is really laughable D ...have they any real evidence on CB as being the so called abductor.

I believe he is looking more like the scapegoat by the day..

Why would the Germans supply a scapegoat for the McCanns..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 28, 2020, 11:52:32 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 28, 2020, 11:24:17 AM
Why would the Germans supply a scapegoat for the McCanns..
Why did Hitler invade Poland?*
Who knows what motivates them?




*Yes, Hitler was Austrian.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 28, 2020, 12:14:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 28, 2020, 11:24:17 AM
Why would the Germans supply a scapegoat for the McCanns..

Why would the McCanns need a scapegoat?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 28, 2020, 12:18:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 28, 2020, 12:14:54 PM
Why would the McCanns need a scapegoat?

They dont...unless you beleive convicted liar amaral. Its Kizzy who is saying CB is  a scapegaot
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on September 28, 2020, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 28, 2020, 12:18:40 PM
They dont...unless you beleive convicted liar amaral. Its Kizzy who is saying CB is  a scapegaot

No just me just look around.

It just seems to me HCW saw a chance to make a name for himself and keep CB in prison.

Hoping for anything on CB ....seems though that is coming unstuck.

In reality, the last thing the mccs would want is all its daily publicity from the media. but that's there problem

But must be soul-destroying for the twins with talk amongst there peers...about what could have allegedly happened to there sister.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 28, 2020, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: The General on September 28, 2020, 11:52:32 AM
Why did Hitler invade Poland?*
Who knows what motivates them?




*Yes, Hitler was Austrian.
*Godwin's Law Klaxon*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 28, 2020, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 28, 2020, 12:18:40 PM
They dont...unless you beleive convicted liar amaral. Its Kizzy who is saying CB is  a scapegaot

I thought Amaral said OG were using him as a scapegoat, I don't know if he said why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 28, 2020, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 28, 2020, 01:34:45 PM
I thought Amaral said OG were using him as a scapegoat, I don't know if he said why.

The Germans are investigating him so why would the Germans want to supply a scapegoat to OG or the McCanns..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 28, 2020, 01:57:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 28, 2020, 01:38:09 PM
The Germans are investigating him so why would the Germans want to supply a scapegoat to OG or the McCanns..
The Inadvertent Scapegoat, HC Wolters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 28, 2020, 02:00:08 PM
Quote from: The General on September 28, 2020, 01:57:30 PM
The Inadvertent Scapegoat, HC Wolters.


if amaral says hes a scapegoat...then for some he is  a scapegoat.....which of course makes no sense because why would Germany want to supply  a scapegoat
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on September 28, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 28, 2020, 02:00:08 PM

if amaral says hes a scapegoat...then for some he is  a scapegoat.....which of course makes no sense because why would Germany want to supply  a scapegoat
One man's suspect is another man's scapegoat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 28, 2020, 02:24:43 PM
Quote from: The General on September 28, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
One man's suspect is another man's scapegoat.

depends on the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 28, 2020, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 28, 2020, 02:00:08 PM

if amaral says hes a scapegoat...then for some he is  a scapegoat.....which of course makes no sense because why would Germany want to supply  a scapegoat

I don't think they do. That was Amaral's opinion of their suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 28, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 28, 2020, 03:56:08 PM
I don't think they do. That was Amaral's opinion of their suspect.

And Kizzy.. And CMOMM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 28, 2020, 06:55:41 PM
Quote from: kizzy on September 28, 2020, 01:02:46 PM
No just me just look around.

It just seems to me HCW saw a chance to make a name for himself and keep CB in prison.

Hoping for anything on CB ....seems though that is coming unstuck.

In reality, the last thing the mccs would want is all its daily publicity from the media. but that's there problem

But must be soul-destroying for the twins with talk amongst there peers...about what could have allegedly happened to there sister.
Nice of you to show some empathy for the twins, however belated.  Imagine what it’s been like for them with their peers telling them their dad chucked Madeleine in the bin after over-sedating her and god knows what else.  Imagine what it must be like for David Payne’s kids when their peer group picks up on the salacious tittle tattle about their dad online, tittle tattle that you have undoubtedly contributed to over the years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 29, 2020, 12:19:56 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 28, 2020, 06:55:41 PM
Nice of you to show some empathy for the twins, however belated.  Imagine what it’s been like for them with their peers telling them their dad chucked Madeleine in the bin after over-sedating her and god knows what else.  Imagine what it must be like for David Payne’s kids when their peer group picks up on the salacious tittle tattle about their dad online, tittle tattle that you have undoubtedly contributed to over the years.

There is no concern for The Twins.  Such people actively want these children to grow up hating their parents.  I don't know if this will happen.  Who can tell?  But the people who want this to happen are so much worse than The McCanns would ever have known how to be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on September 29, 2020, 12:39:31 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 29, 2020, 12:19:56 AM
There is no concern for The Twins.  Such people actively want these children to grow up hating their parents.  I don't know if this will happen.  Who can tell?  But the people who want this to happen are so much worse than The McCanns would ever have known how to be.

Amaral has children too. Did you ever think about them ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 29, 2020, 01:16:47 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on September 29, 2020, 12:39:31 AM
Amaral has children too. Did you ever think about them ?

Not a lot, I must admit.  So were Amaral and Sofia better parents than Kate and Gerry McCann?  What price driving your daughter around when you are drunk?  What price threatening your wife.

And what price accusing The McCanns when you have no proof.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 29, 2020, 01:34:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 28, 2020, 11:24:17 AM
Why would the Germans supply a scapegoat for the McCanns..

No, it's not that way round, Dave 

IMO, he might be the scapegoat for the elite person/people behind the abduction.   The elite people who gave CB a load of money for a nasty mission that he talked about to his friends on May 2nd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 29, 2020, 02:00:27 AM
Quote from: sadie on September 29, 2020, 01:34:11 AM
No, it's not that way round, Dave 

IMO, he might be the scapegoat for the elite person/people behind the abduction.   The elite people who gave CB a load of money for a nasty mission that he talked about to his friends on May 2nd.

Dear Sadie,  Some of us have some difficulty with your explanation and find it all much more simple.  This doesn't make you wrong.  But you do complicate the whole thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 29, 2020, 03:01:38 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 29, 2020, 02:00:27 AM
Dear Sadie,  Some of us have some difficulty with your explanation and find it all much more simple.  This doesn't make you wrong.  But you do complicate the whole thing.

There are different ways of looking at things Elli - and it is right that the different possibilities should be mentioned IMO

You must remember that Scotland Yard are noticeably not agreeing with the German view and I think that may well be based upon my research, and reasoned belief that Madeleine was alive and well in 2012 - but we shall see.

I hate to be part of the madding crowd especially in cases such as this, and think it only right that my alternative lateral thinking should be mentioned.  I realise that maybe nobody follows my route, but it is there, and maybe some day soon, eyes will be opened.

I think that it is quite possible that CB was involved in an abduction of Madeleine, but I would hate for him to take the rap so that the barstewards that wholesale organise abductions and trafficking get off scot free.
 
No matter how elite they are, they must be stopped.


I would also hate for him to go down for murder if Madeleine is still alive. 

I believe in Justice and that he should go down solely for what he has done.   I think that there must be something big that he has done because of his boast to his friends on May 2nd about big money coming his way.  It seems highly likely that he was commissioned to take Madeleine.

And because of the date he made that boast and other things, like everyone else, I think that it is likely he is involved ….. but I don't know and neither does anyone on here unless physically involved.


Anyhow, we must wait and see.   May CB get his just deserts;   No more, No less
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 29, 2020, 07:34:40 AM
Quote from: sadie on September 29, 2020, 03:01:38 AM
There are different ways of looking at things Elli - and it is right that the different possibilities should be mentioned IMO

You must remember that Scotland Yard are noticeably not agreeing with the German view and I think that may well be based upon my research, and reasoned belief that Madeleine was alive and well in 2012 - but we shall see.

I hate to be part of the madding crowd especially in cases such as this, and think it only right that my alternative lateral thinking should be mentioned.  I realise that maybe nobody follows my route, but it is there, and maybe some day soon, eyes will be opened.

I think that it is quite possible that CB was involved in an abduction of Madeleine, but I would hate for him to take the rap so that the barstewards that wholesale organise abductions and trafficking get off scot free.
 
No matter how elite they are, they must be stopped.


I would also hate for him to go down for murder if Madeleine is still alive. 

I believe in Justice and that he should go down solely for what he has done.   I think that there must be something big that he has done because of his boast to his friends on May 2nd about big money coming his way.  It seems highly likely that he was commissioned to take Madeleine.

And because of the date he made that boast and other things, like everyone else, I think that it is likely he is involved ….. but I don't know and neither does anyone on here unless physically involved.


Anyhow, we must wait and see.   May CB get his just deserts;   No more, No less

A lot is being made of the Germans saying murder and SY saying missing persons...I'm afraid it's nothing to do with your research and really is quite simple.
The Germans day they have enough evidence to show CB murdered MM therefore s murder enquiry.
They have refused to share this evidence with Grange or the Portuguese...they want to keep it under wraps.
As SY. have no direct evidence of death then to them it's a missing person enquiry. As I recall SY have confirmed this.

So in reality there is no disagreement between the two forces
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 29, 2020, 07:48:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on September 29, 2020, 07:34:40 AM
A lot is being made of the Germans saying murder and SY saying missing persons...I'm afraid it's nothing to do with your research and really is quite simple.
The Germans day they have enough evidence to show CB murdered MM therefore s murder enquiry.
They have refused to share this evidence with Grange or the Portuguese...they want to keep it under wraps.
As SY. have no direct evidence of death then to them it's a missing person enquiry. As I recall SY have confirmed this.

So in reality there is no disagreement between the two forces
One way of smoothing over the differences.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 29, 2020, 09:11:48 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on September 29, 2020, 01:16:47 AM
Not a lot, I must admit.  So were Amaral and Sofia better parents than Kate and Gerry McCann?  What price driving your daughter around when you are drunk?  What price threatening your wife.

And what price accusing The McCanns when you have no proof.

You make it sound as if children only deserve sympathy if they have parents you approve of. Surely it should be those children who need it the most?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 29, 2020, 09:37:18 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 29, 2020, 09:11:48 AM
You make it sound as if children only deserve sympathy if they have parents you approve of. Surely it should be those children who need it the most?
  All the children caught up in this nightmare deserve sympathy - none of it was of their making.  But to make the point that you feel sorry for the twins because of what they are reading in the media now about Bruckner is  to completely ignore the fact that there is an absolute wealth of far more damaging material out there, ghastly accusations and vile innuendo that implicates their own parents in the death and cover-up of their own sister, online chatter which many of you sceptical types have contributed to and encouraged discussion about for years.  To suddenly start worrying about the twins because of the Bruckner connection is a bit bloody hypocritical in my view. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 29, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 29, 2020, 09:11:48 AM
You make it sound as if children only deserve sympathy if they have parents you approve of. Surely it should be those children who need it the most?

I have a lot of sympathy for amarals child being driven around by  a drunk.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 29, 2020, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 29, 2020, 09:37:18 AM
  All the children caught up in this nightmare deserve sympathy - none of it was of their making.  But to make the point that you feel sorry for the twins because of what they are reading in the media now about Bruckner is  to completely ignore the fact that there is an absolute wealth of far more damaging material out there, ghastly accusations and vile innuendo that implicates their own parents in the death and cover-up of their own sister, online chatter which many of you sceptical types have contributed to and encouraged discussion about for years.  To suddenly start worrying about the twins because of the Bruckner connection is a bit bloody hypocritical in my view.

I haven't expressed sympathy for anyone. I was commenting on others who seem to confine their sympathy to only the children of certain parents.

Impressive hyperbole by the way!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 29, 2020, 10:51:50 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on September 29, 2020, 10:47:38 AM
I haven't expressed sympathy for anyone. I was commenting on others who seem to confine their sympathy to only the children of certain parents.

Impressive hyperbole by the way!
I don't see anyone confining their sympathy to children of certain parents.  And there was nothing hyperbolic about my post.  If you can't see that the online commentary against the McCanns over the last 13 years has been nothing short of disgraceful, vile and ghastly then that's not my problem, though I don't think you can realistically blame your eye condition for your inability to see it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 29, 2020, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on September 29, 2020, 10:51:50 AM
I don't see anyone confining their sympathy to children of certain parents.  And there was nothing hyperbolic about my post.  If you can't see that the online commentary against the McCanns over the last 13 years has been nothing short of disgraceful, vile and ghastly then that's not my problem, though I don't think you can realistically blame your eye condition for your inability to see it.

I could continue with this pointless arguement but I won't. It's off topic as is the whole discussion, and I have been reminded that part of a moderator's role is to keep posts on topic. To discuss sympathy, hypocracy, ghastly accusations and vile innuendo the Off Topic thread is available.

Therefore any posts after this one which don't refer to the thread title will be deleted.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on September 29, 2020, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on September 29, 2020, 07:34:40 AM
A lot is being made of the Germans saying murder and SY saying missing persons...I'm afraid it's nothing to do with your research and really is quite simple.
The Germans day they have enough evidence to show CB murdered MM therefore s murder enquiry.
They have refused to share this evidence with Grange or the Portuguese...they want to keep it under wraps.
As SY. have no direct evidence of death then to them it's a missing person enquiry. As I recall SY have confirmed this.

So in reality there is no disagreement between the two forces

OK, fair enough.

Then you don't know what I know - and that knowledge makes me think otherwise

But I could be wrong, same as you could be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 29, 2020, 12:54:52 PM
Quote from: sadie on September 29, 2020, 12:41:50 PM
OK, fair enough.

Then you don't know what I know - and that knowledge makes me think otherwise

But I could be wrong, same as you could be.
This is basically what SY said...initially as I remember they agreed with HCW but the McCanns complained there was no evidence of death...HCW refused to share it so SY said they would therefore treat it as  a missing person. im not wrong about that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on October 05, 2020, 07:03:12 PM
The day after Madeleine went missing, the suspect got the car re-registered in Germany under someone else’s name, although it is believed the vehicle was still in Portugal.

Why would he do that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 05, 2020, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: Lace on October 05, 2020, 07:03:12 PM
The day after Madeleine went missing, the suspect got the car re-registered in Germany under someone else’s name, although it is believed the vehicle was still in Portugal.

Why would he do that?

The vehicle would still be traced back to him during any investigation. What do you think he had to gain ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 05, 2020, 09:36:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 05, 2020, 09:11:06 PM
The vehicle would still be traced back to him during any investigation. What do you think he had to gain ?

Simple..ask him..what's his explanation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 05, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 05, 2020, 09:11:06 PM
The vehicle would still be traced back to him during any investigation. What do you think he had to gain ?

What you are saying isn't strictly true...if the traffic police ran a computer check it would not come up with him as the owner ..which suggests he was trying to hide
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 05, 2020, 09:42:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 05, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
What you are saying isn't strictly true...if the traffic police ran a computer check it would not come up with him as the owner ..which suggests he was trying to hide

Perhaps he thought that the car had been seen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 05, 2020, 09:52:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 05, 2020, 09:42:35 PM
Perhaps he thought that the car had been seen.

if the police ran a check on the car he wouldnt come up as the owner....If the police checked for cars he owned it wouldnt be identified.

the fact is this is only  as mall point but taken to gether with others...completes the jigsaw.

automatic number plate recognition only brings up the owner...not previous owners
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 05, 2020, 09:59:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 05, 2020, 09:52:36 PM
if the police ran a check on the car he wouldnt come up as the owner....If the police checked for cars he owned it wouldnt be identified.

the fact is this is only  as mall point but taken to gether with others...completes the jigsaw.

automatic number plate recognition only brings up the owner...not previous owners

It is all looking more and more peculiar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 05, 2020, 11:01:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 05, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
What you are saying isn't strictly true...if the traffic police ran a computer check it would not come up with him as the owner ..which suggests he was trying to hide

It would show that they car had been registered in the new name after the disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 05, 2020, 11:24:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 05, 2020, 11:01:58 PM
It would show that they car had been registered in the new name after the disappearance.

A normal search simply shows the registered keeper..it wouldn't show up as recently changed. Only an in depth search would show that

You'll have to trust my knowledge of all things cars..I'm a man after all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 05, 2020, 11:37:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 05, 2020, 11:24:08 PM
A normal search simply shows the registered keeper..it wouldn't show up as recently changed. Only an in depth search would show that

You'll have to trust my knowledge of all things cars..I'm a man after all
Do we have to trust you on that one?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 05, 2020, 11:39:25 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 05, 2020, 11:37:29 PM
Do we have to trust you on that one?

No Rob..I could send you a picture of my qualifications if you like
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 05, 2020, 11:57:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 05, 2020, 09:52:36 PM
if the police ran a check on the car he wouldnt come up as the owner....If the police checked for cars he owned it wouldnt be identified.

the fact is this is only  as mall point but taken to gether with others...completes the jigsaw.

automatic number plate recognition only brings up the owner...not previous owners

If the German and Portuguese numberplate recognition systems are anything like the British one then it would bring up the name of the registered keeper who may not necessarily be the owner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 06, 2020, 12:14:36 AM
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Let me be very clear. If this conduct does not cease immediately I will delete the accounts of the offenders.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
Hey up, sauce is out and about.

“Despite the silence of prosecutors, he is convinced that the police have been using all sorts of dirty tricks to try and nail him,” said the source.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12895346/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-dirty-tricks-cops/

A source close to the investigation said: “The probe into Christian B has hit a brick wall.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2020, 11:11:22 AM
I think every news article from the rags should contain this from Mark Rowley as a caveat.

MR: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 10, 2020, 04:43:35 PM
Two ‘new’ pictures published by Der Spiegel.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2020, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 10, 2020, 04:43:35 PM
Two ‘new’ pictures published by Der Spiegel.

The link to half inching and killing Madeleine is?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 10, 2020, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2020, 05:04:02 PM
The link to half inching and killing Madeleine is?

None, just background noise.

We know he had various  vans and girlfriends.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 10, 2020, 10:58:20 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 10, 2020, 04:43:35 PM
Two ‘new’ pictures published by Der Spiegel.

What I find of interest is that there doesn't appear to be a single cartoon character painted on that van.  Amaral made a trip to the television studio to show blown up photographs of a van covered with them alleging it was Brueckner's.

At the same time he exhibited a mocked up photograph of Brueckner with a rasta hairstyle when in fact Brueckner's hairstyle could be seen in a video as being conventional and worn short.

Why try to muddy the water like that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2020, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 10, 2020, 10:58:20 PM
What I find of interest is that there doesn't appear to be a single cartoon character painted on that van.  Amaral made a trip to the television studio to show blown up photographs of a van covered with them alleging it was Brueckner's.

At the same time he exhibited a mocked up photograph of Brueckner with a rasta hairstyle when in fact Brueckner's hairstyle could be seen in a video as being conventional and worn short.

Why try to muddy the water like that?
Why indeed.  No admirer of “Doctor” Amaral seems interested in discussing it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 11, 2020, 10:16:37 PM
Hypothetically: If Madeleine wasn’t told by her parents that they will be dining close-by at the Resort’s restaurant and won’t be physically in the apartment apart from checking on them, could the following be significant?: Madeleine did not know her parents’ friends that well or any other person/s becoming an acquaintance perhaps. Given that she did wake up, finding her parents ‘missing’ as perceived by her not knowing that they were not in the apartment and an unfamiliar person present in the apartment, what would she do?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 03:57:07 AM
Quote from: Anthro on October 11, 2020, 10:16:37 PM
Hypothetically: If Madeleine wasn’t told by her parents that they will be dining close-by at the Resort’s restaurant and won’t be physically in the apartment apart from checking on them, could the following be significant?: Madeleine did not know her parents’ friends that well or any other person/s becoming an acquaintance perhaps. Given that she did wake up, finding her parents ‘missing’ as perceived by her not knowing that they were not in the apartment and an unfamiliar person present in the apartment, what would she do?
I think that is absolutely a possibility that the presence of Matt Oldfield or Russell O'Brien checking on the kids could have panicked Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 07:58:33 AM
Quote from: Anthro on October 11, 2020, 10:16:37 PM
Hypothetically: If Madeleine wasn’t told by her parents that they will be dining close-by at the Resort’s restaurant and won’t be physically in the apartment apart from checking on them, could the following be significant?: Madeleine did not know her parents’ friends that well or any other person/s becoming an acquaintance perhaps. Given that she did wake up, finding her parents ‘missing’ as perceived by her not knowing that they were not in the apartment and an unfamiliar person present in the apartment, what would she do?
This is a valid point and worthy of consideration.
Of course, if she woke up, she would almost certainly panic being roused by a relative stranger in the half-light.
Most competent adults would know this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 08:01:04 AM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 07:58:33 AM
This is a valid point and worthy of consideration.
Of course, if she woke up, she would almost certainly panic being roused by a relative stranger in the half-light.
Most competent adults would know this.
She was in an environment where she was used to being looked after by others....kids club
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 08:05:22 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2020, 08:01:04 AM
She was in an environment where she was used to being looked after by others....kids club
During the daytime IMO is seriously different than at night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 08:13:07 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 08:05:22 AM
During the daytime IMO is seriously different than at night.

Still relevant IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 12, 2020, 08:17:23 AM
Quote from: Anthro on October 11, 2020, 10:16:37 PM
Hypothetically: If Madeleine wasn’t told by her parents that they will be dining close-by at the Resort’s restaurant and won’t be physically in the apartment apart from checking on them, could the following be significant?: Madeleine did not know her parents’ friends that well or any other person/s becoming an acquaintance perhaps. Given that she did wake up, finding her parents ‘missing’ as perceived by her not knowing that they were not in the apartment and an unfamiliar person present in the apartment, what would she do?

Hypothetically run out into the road into a path of a car,disposed of and the rest is history as they say.
Mitchell in Oct 2007 had this to say  "There was no evidence of a break-in," said Mr Mitchell.
That rules out any intruder imo,dna was reported to have ruled out tractorman by the same token no mention of  CB's being found in 5a,there was no abduction from 5a imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 08:19:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2020, 08:13:07 AM
Still relevant IMO
Kate thought Madeleine could be hiding somewhere in the apartment.  So as a parent she must have had her doubts about how Madeleine  handled the visits by the friends and the opening of the window by someone else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 10:46:41 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 08:19:53 AM
Kate thought Madeleine could be hiding somewhere in the apartment.  So as a parent she must have had her doubts about how Madeleine  handled the visits by the friends and the opening of the window by someone else.
Kate thought she might be hiding in the apartment? She didn't even check behind the curtains that were jammed by the bed and the couch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 11:03:58 AM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 10:46:41 AM
Kate thought she might be hiding in the apartment? She didn't even check behind the curtains that were jammed by the bed and the couch.

How do you know?  Did she tell you this?  You don't think she might have noticed if her daughter had wedged herself between the bed and window, or that Madeleine might have said something or made some noise as her mother frantically searched? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 10:46:41 AM
Kate thought she might be hiding in the apartment? She didn't even check behind the curtains that were jammed by the bed and the couch.

She told Oprah she checked the wardrobes in the children's room in case Madeleine was cowering in there. She searched for 15 seconds in all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 12:06:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 12:02:02 PM
She told Oprah she checked the wardrobes in the children's room in case Madeleine was cowering in there. She searched for 15 seconds in all.

Vertigo Swirls post DiD  present very good reasoning as to why Kate didn't have to check behind the curtains.
Such a pity it was moderated so extremely.
Still wondering why?
Eleanor and I both thought it was a very good post
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 12, 2020, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 12:06:30 PM
Vertigo Swirls post DiD  present very good reasoning as to why Kate didn't have to check behind the curtains.
Such a pity it was moderated so extremely.
Still wondering why?
Eleanor and I both thought it was a very good post

That's a recommendation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2020, 12:11:36 PM
That's a recommendation?

Can you explain a little further what you mean.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 12:29:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 12:02:02 PM
She told Oprah she checked the wardrobes in the children's room in case Madeleine was cowering in there. She searched for 15 seconds in all.
Which was my point. Surprising to find the curtains hadn't been moved at all. Wouldn't that be one of the first places to check, despite the potential space constraints?
Who here, as a mother, would not check the by the curtains, pull the couch or bed back 'just in case'?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 12:06:30 PM
Vertigo Swirls post DiD  present very good reasoning as to why Kate didn't have to check behind the curtains.
Such a pity it was moderated so extremely.
Still wondering why?
Eleanor and I both thought it was a very good post
I suppose you would not have bothered to check the side of the bed and not move the curtains at all?
I'm not a mother, but I would have torn them from their moorings; I would have moved every piece of furniture.
Call it what you like.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 12:47:21 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 12:32:57 PM
I suppose you would not have bothered to check the side of the bed and not move the curtains at all?
I'm not a mother, but I would have torn them from their moorings; I would have moved every piece of furniture.
Call it what you like.

Vertigo Swirls original post was so very accurate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 12:47:21 PM
Vertigo Swirls original post was so very accurate.
Thank you.  It seems some people here don't like what I have to say, perhaps it's just a bit too clear-headed and logical for them to stomach. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 12:52:52 PM
Did Kate check in the bath tub, or behind the toilet?  What about in the dishwasher or the space under the floorboards?  I would have ripped them up, being the perfect mother. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 12:47:21 PM
Vertigo Swirls original post was so very accurate.
I wouldn't know. So that's a no then? Fair enough.
But a quick check of all hiding places would have been prudent in my opinion.
It's just that to proclaim that 'she's gone', or 'they've taken her', without checking is actually quite prescient.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
I wouldn't know. So that's a no then? Fair enough.
But a quick check of all hiding places would have been prudent in my opinion.
It's just that to proclaim that 'she's gone', or 'they've taken her', without checking is actually quite prescient.

Remember the open window

Kate knew someone had gemmied the shutters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2020, 01:12:26 PM
Remember the open window

Kate knew someone had gemmied the shutters
I thought neither of the McCann's actually said that? The various relatives and friends apparently got that wrong.
Another memo some of you missed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 01:20:24 PM
I thought neither of the McCann's actually said that? The various relatives and friends apparently got that wrong.
Another memo some of you missed?

See the 10 million posts on the gemmied shutters for a full explanation..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 12:32:57 PM
I suppose you would not have bothered to check the side of the bed and not move the curtains at all?
I'm not a mother, but I would have torn them from their moorings; I would have moved every piece of furniture.
Call it what you like.

Fifteen seconds isn't long to do a thorough search. Gerry also looked in the wardrobes and under all the beds. There didn't seem to be much room under the beds, however.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
I wouldn't know. So that's a no then? Fair enough.
But a quick check of all hiding places would have been prudent in my opinion.
It's just that to proclaim that 'she's gone', or 'they've taken her', without checking is actually quite prescient.
Can you explain how you know that Kate did not perform a "quick check of all the hiding places"? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 01:39:29 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
I wouldn't know. So that's a no then? Fair enough.
But a quick check of all hiding places would have been prudent in my opinion.
It's just that to proclaim that 'she's gone', or 'they've taken her', without checking is actually quite prescient.

I quickly scoured the apartment to exclude all other possibilities, mentally ticking boxes that I knew, deep down, were already ticked. I checked the wardrobe in the children’s room. I ran into the kitchen, throwing open all the
cupboard doors, into our bedroom, searching the wardrobes, in and out of the bathroom, all within
about fifteen seconds, before hurtling out through the patio doors and down towards Gerry and our friends. As soon as our table was in sight I started screaming.
[madeleine]

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 01:39:29 PM
I quickly scoured the apartment to exclude all other possibilities, mentally ticking boxes that I knew, deep down, were already ticked. I checked the wardrobe in the children’s room. I ran into the kitchen, throwing open all the
cupboard doors, into our bedroom, searching the wardrobes, in and out of the bathroom, all within
about fifteen seconds, before hurtling out through the patio doors and down towards Gerry and our friends. As soon as our table was in sight I started screaming.
[madeleine]
Bonkers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 12, 2020, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 01:39:29 PM
I quickly scoured the apartment to exclude all other possibilities, mentally ticking boxes that I knew, deep down, were already ticked. I checked the wardrobe in the children’s room. I ran into the kitchen, throwing open all the
cupboard doors, into our bedroom, searching the wardrobes, in and out of the bathroom, all within
about fifteen seconds, before hurtling out through the patio doors and down towards Gerry and our friends. As soon as our table was in sight I started screaming.
[madeleine]

Seems she for got to say leaving the twins drama at its best imo.

So I wonder why gmcc was wondering where she was - it seems both their checks took longer than previous

for them both to take longer than usual same as kmcc was wondering were gmc was on hos 9.15 check.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 01:39:29 PM
I quickly scoured the apartment to exclude all other possibilities, mentally ticking boxes that I knew, deep down, were already ticked. I checked the wardrobe in the children’s room. I ran into the kitchen, throwing open all the
cupboard doors, into our bedroom, searching the wardrobes, in and out of the bathroom, all within
about fifteen seconds, before hurtling out through the patio doors and down towards Gerry and our friends. As soon as our table was in sight I started screaming.
[madeleine]
So there we go - she did check all the hiding places, then she went and got help.  Of course, that's if you believe this highly implausible fairy tale.  More likely she tutted, sighed, lit up a Rothmans and poured herself a stiff drink, gulped it in one, maybe two, proceeded to inspect her nails for a bit, before sauntering out of the flat leaving the remaining kids to help themselves to the Calpol that lay uncapped on the sideboard.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 12, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 12, 2020, 02:11:10 PM
So there we go - she did check all the hiding places, then she went and got help.  Of course, that's if you believe this highly implausible fairy tale.  More likely she tutted, sighed, lit up a Rothmans and poured herself a stiff drink, gulped it in one, maybe two, proceeded to inspect her nails for a bit, before sauntering out of the flat leaving the remaining kids to help themselves to the Calpol that lay uncapped on the sideboard.

seems you don't have much of an opinion of kmc then Vs lol

Well, surely its obvious what she wrote in that paragraph was not a true account.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 12, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
seems you don't have much of an opinion of kmc then Vs lol

Well, surely its obvious what she wrote in that paragraph was not a true account.

It might be surely obvious to you but of course that doesn't make it true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on October 12, 2020, 02:39:18 PM
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Admin
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 12, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
seems you don't have much of an opinion of kmc then Vs lol

Well, surely its obvious what she wrote in that paragraph was not a true account.
Ever heard of the expression "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"?  I thought I might become more popular if I put the boot into Kate more often, fingers crossed it works. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 02:45:41 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 12, 2020, 02:40:47 PM
Ever heard of the expression "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"?  I thought I might become more popular if I put the boot into Kate more often, fingers crossed it works.

I'm starting to feel the same...all those lies and gemmied shutters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 12, 2020, 02:40:47 PM
Ever heard of the expression "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"?  I thought I might become more popular if I put the boot into Kate more often, fingers crossed it works.

When theres nothing new to add it's always the way....put the boot into Kate .....yet again, and again, and again!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:00:13 PM
Quote from: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 02:52:57 PM
When theres nothing new to add it's always the way....put the boot into Kate .....yet again, and again, and again!
Well in fairness it is her fault. Chin chin.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 12, 2020, 02:07:17 PM
Seems she for got to say leaving the twins drama at its best imo.

So I wonder why gmcc was wondering where she was - it seems both their checks took longer than previous

for them both to take longer than usual same as kmcc was wondering were gmc was on hos 9.15 check.

Erm, Kate, she was gone, again, I wouldn't have said it was for any longer, it didn't strike me as a long period of time, she was gone any longer than any of the other checks.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
See the 10 million posts on the gemmied shutters for a full explanation..
So she did tell her family and friends the shutters were jemmied?
Quite a volte-face, but let's go with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 03:05:12 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:02:44 PM
So she did tell her family and friends the shutters were jemmied?
Quite a volte-face, but let's go with it.

Did she...who cares...it's CB who's the primal suspect...not the mccanios
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:00:13 PM
Well in fairness it is her fault. Chin chin.

How positively disappointing your posts have become.
Joined the clique?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2020, 03:05:12 PM
Did she...who cares...it's CB who's the primal suspect...not the mccanios

It's desperate attempts to deflect from that fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:02:44 PM
So she did tell her family and friends the shutters were jemmied?
Quite a volte-face, but let's go with it.
So EVERYTHING  the McCanns friends have reported being told is true....but NOTHING Breukners friends have reorted being told is true...right....Im starting to understand how the sceptic mind works
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:00:13 PM
Well in fairness it is her fault. Chin chin.

I agree...you would have thought kate as  a MEDICAL doctor would have realsied what a powerful sedative Calpol was and wouldnt need this pointing out by  a PRETENDY doctor amaral
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
How positively disappointing your posts have become.
Joined the clique?
Hey, when you're accused of trying to ruin a members life, destroy his business and somehow also besmirch his family members, all from the comfort of my secure bunker in the Brecon Beacons, then really anything goes it would seem.
Simply deleting the bizarre diatribe didn't quite cut it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:26:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2020, 03:13:11 PM
So EVERYTHING  the McCanns friends have reported being told is true....but NOTHING Breukners friends have reorted being told is true...right....Im starting to understand how the sceptic mind works
You said that, not me. But it appears this particular statement, re: jemmied shutters, is now true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 03:30:23 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:26:57 PM
You said that, not me. But it appears this particular statement, re: jemmied shutters, is now true.

Appears doesnt cut the mustard Colonel...it either is or it isnt...or it might be
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 12, 2020, 03:42:44 PM

This is all getting a bit too close to Libel for me.  So cut it out.  Or expect Comments to be Deleted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:47:44 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 12, 2020, 03:42:44 PM
This is all getting a bit too close to Libel for me.  So cut it out.  Or expect Comments to be Deleted.
Libel? Come on, Dav's only just come back. Can't you cut some slack re: Amaral's doctorate?
I'm more concerned with the fact that the past page was off topic - and deletion is totally warranted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2020, 03:30:23 PM
Appears doesnt cut the mustard Colonel...it either is or it isnt...or it might be
It appears you don't have a clue doh, Dav.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 04:22:04 PM
Someone's glad Davel's back though - the General's raison has been well and truly d'etre'd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 04:29:05 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:50:05 PM
It appears you don't have a clue doh, Dav.

I've probably had an...on the road to Wolverhampton moment..Ive  come on all biblical like.... Wolverhampton did seem like Damascus the last time I was there
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 12, 2020, 04:38:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2020, 04:29:05 PM
I've probably had an...on the road to Wolverhampton moment..Ive  come on all biblical like.... Wolverhampton did seem like Damascus the last time I was there
Like Androcles and the Lion, but instead of a thorn from a lion, it's a wisdom tooth from a crackhead!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 12, 2020, 06:05:46 PM
Quote from: Erngath on October 12, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
How positively disappointing your posts have become.
Joined the clique?

Of?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:26:57 PM
You said that, not me. But it appears this particular statement, re: jemmied shutters, is now true.
According to the final report put out by the Portuguese it was.   Open window is preceded by lifting the shutters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 12, 2020, 03:42:44 PM
This is all getting a bit too close to Libel for me.  So cut it out.  Or expect Comments to be Deleted.
Who's libelling who?  I don't get it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 06:20:13 PM
Quote from: The General on October 12, 2020, 03:50:05 PM
It appears you don't have a clue doh, Dav.
Is a comment like that allowed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 06:22:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2020, 04:29:05 PM
I've probably had an...on the road to Wolverhampton moment..Ive  come on all biblical like.... Wolverhampton did seem like Damascus the last time I was there
The Lord is the Lord of all.  Damascus or Wolverhampton all much the same.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 06:20:13 PM
Is a comment like that allowed?
No, ban him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 06:25:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 12, 2020, 06:22:55 PM
No, ban him.
I'm having a spell at moderating, sorry, try someone else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 12, 2020, 06:31:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 12, 2020, 06:22:55 PM
No, ban him.

Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 06:25:23 PM
I'm having a spell at moderating, sorry, try someone else.

You see the aim of some.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2020, 06:31:13 PM
You see the aim of some.
I try not to. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 12, 2020, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
I try not to.

Maybe you ought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2020, 06:31:13 PM
You see the aim of some.
Yep.  My sole mission in life is to get the General banned.  Rumbled.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 12, 2020, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2020, 06:34:32 PM
Maybe you ought.

Enough.  Thank You.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 12, 2020, 07:16:46 PM
Some more detail from the Olive Press today.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/10/12/exclusive-russians-in-spain-could-be-linked-to-madeleine-snatch/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 12, 2020, 07:19:45 PM
For attention Jassi: the above link contains the phrase ‘Sexta9’. Viewer discretion is advised.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2020, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 12, 2020, 07:16:46 PM
Some more detail from the Olive Press today.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/10/12/exclusive-russians-in-spain-could-be-linked-to-madeleine-snatch/

Thanks Anthro.  It does make very grim reading.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 12, 2020, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 12, 2020, 07:28:04 PM
Thanks Anthro.  It does make very grim reading.
I know, Brietta. I can’t help thinking that the Russian/yacht link may be connected to Sergei M? My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2020, 07:43:22 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 12, 2020, 07:30:49 PM
I know, Brietta. I can’t help thinking that the Russian/yacht link may be connected to Sergei M? My opinion.

My first thought, Anthro.

I wondered why he was called as a witness in 2014 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28101400  Perhaps it was somewhere along those lines.

Hewlett also gave pointers in that direction too on his deathbed in 2013.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/15/article-2279168-179B37E6000005DC-386_634x357.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279168/Hunt-Madeleine-McCann-focusing-Russia-local-charity-claims-family-received-tip-dying-paedophile.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 12, 2020, 07:58:17 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 12, 2020, 07:43:22 PM
My first thought, Anthro.

I wondered why he was called as a witness in 2014 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28101400  Perhaps it was somewhere along those lines.

Hewlett also gave pointers in that direction too on his deathbed in 2013.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/15/article-2279168-179B37E6000005DC-386_634x357.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279168/Hunt-Madeleine-McCann-focusing-Russia-local-charity-claims-family-received-tip-dying-paedophile.html
Given the new development in Madeleine’s disappearance, revisiting previous facts/analysis may provide new insights. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 08:02:19 PM
I have tried to explain that under german law...its the same as portuguese......CB has to be told all the evidence aginst him once he is questioned and this may well involve others the police do not wish to alert...its not the same as the UK.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 12, 2020, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 12, 2020, 07:16:46 PM
Some more detail from the Olive Press today.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/10/12/exclusive-russians-in-spain-could-be-linked-to-madeleine-snatch/

What did the 15 year old girl say? She is the witness that went missing. The report doesn't say  @)(++(* what a waste of time *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2020, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 12, 2020, 09:08:01 PM
What did the 15 year old girl say? She is the witness that went missing. The report doesn't say  @)(++(* what a waste of time *%87

I find your theories and posts total twaddle
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 12, 2020, 09:16:38 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 12, 2020, 07:30:49 PM
I know, Brietta. I can’t help thinking that the Russian/yacht link may be connected to Sergei M? My opinion.

Disingenuous at best.

Mark Rowley in a question and answer session 2017:Q: You’ve talked about 600 people. You at one point had four suspects. Can you tell me the story
about how they came into the frame?
MR: So, one of the lines of enquiry, one of the hypotheses was could this be a burglary gone wrong?
Someone is doing a burglary, panicked maybe by a waking child, which leads to Madeleine going
missing.
Q: Most burglars would just run out.
MR: Possibly.
Q: Difficult for the public to understand that potential theory, given that every child wakes up.
MR: In my experience, if you try to apply the rational logic of a normal person sat in their front room to
what criminals do under pressure, you tend to make mistakes, so it was a sensible hypothesis, it’s still
not entirely ruled out, but there was also lots of material about people acting suspiciously, a potential
history of some recent thefts from holiday apartments. Working through that it was a sensible thing to
pursue, and we had some descriptions to work with, and that led to us identifying amongst the 600, a
group of people who were worth pursuing, have they been involved in this activity, have they had a
role in Madeleine going missing? Because what the hypothesis was, then we’ve got some searches,
we’ve worked with the Portuguese, they were spoken to, and we pretty much closed off that group of
people. That’s one example of the journey I spoke about, you start with this massive pool of evidence,
you understand it, structure it, prioritise it, you work through and you try and sift the potential
suspects, and then you end up where we are today with some key lines of enquiry.
Q: As I understand it, the key to your suspicion about those four suspects was very much to do with
their use of mobile phones and one of the criticisms of the original Portuguese police investigation
was that they didn’t interrogate the mobile phone data as thoroughly as they could have done. How
important was it for you as that part of your investigation for you to pick up and thoroughly investigate
the mobile phone data?
MR: So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if
the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had
the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with
phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there
was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.
Q: How old were the suspects because I think you interviewed them originally through the Portuguese
beginning of July 2014?
MR: By the end of the year we were happy to have brought them out and we were moving on to other
parts of the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 12, 2020, 09:25:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2020, 09:14:55 PM
I find your theories and posts total twaddle

Have you read that report? It said she ran away not that Russians had abducted her as that article is trying to claim. More BS like your posts on CB/MM evidence that doesn't exist. Keep believing whatever you read  8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 09:41:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2020, 09:16:38 PM
Disingenuous at best.

Mark Rowley in a question and answer session 2017:Q: You’ve talked about 600 people. You at one point had four suspects. Can you tell me the story
about how they came into the frame?
MR: So, one of the lines of enquiry, one of the hypotheses was could this be a burglary gone wrong?
Someone is doing a burglary, panicked maybe by a waking child, which leads to Madeleine going
missing.
Q: Most burglars would just run out.
MR: Possibly.
Q: Difficult for the public to understand that potential theory, given that every child wakes up.
MR: In my experience, if you try to apply the rational logic of a normal person sat in their front room to
what criminals do under pressure, you tend to make mistakes, so it was a sensible hypothesis, it’s still
not entirely ruled out, but there was also lots of material about people acting suspiciously, a potential
history of some recent thefts from holiday apartments. Working through that it was a sensible thing to
pursue, and we had some descriptions to work with, and that led to us identifying amongst the 600, a
group of people who were worth pursuing, have they been involved in this activity, have they had a
role in Madeleine going missing? Because what the hypothesis was, then we’ve got some searches,
we’ve worked with the Portuguese, they were spoken to, and we pretty much closed off that group of
people. That’s one example of the journey I spoke about, you start with this massive pool of evidence,
you understand it, structure it, prioritise it, you work through and you try and sift the potential
suspects, and then you end up where we are today with some key lines of enquiry.
Q: As I understand it, the key to your suspicion about those four suspects was very much to do with
their use of mobile phones and one of the criticisms of the original Portuguese police investigation
was that they didn’t interrogate the mobile phone data as thoroughly as they could have done. How
important was it for you as that part of your investigation for you to pick up and thoroughly investigate
the mobile phone data?
MR: So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if
the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had
the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with
phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there
was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.
Q: How old were the suspects because I think you interviewed them originally through the Portuguese
beginning of July 2014?
MR: By the end of the year we were happy to have brought them out and we were moving on to other
parts of the investigation.


According to Heriberto OG looked at those four men because he suggested they might be involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2020, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2020, 09:16:38 PM
Disingenuous at best.

Mark Rowley in a question and answer session 2017:Q: You’ve talked about 600 people. You at one point had four suspects. Can you tell me the story
about how they came into the frame?
MR: So, one of the lines of enquiry, one of the hypotheses was could this be a burglary gone wrong?
Someone is doing a burglary, panicked maybe by a waking child, which leads to Madeleine going
missing.
Q: Most burglars would just run out.
MR: Possibly.
Q: Difficult for the public to understand that potential theory, given that every child wakes up.
MR: In my experience, if you try to apply the rational logic of a normal person sat in their front room to
what criminals do under pressure, you tend to make mistakes, so it was a sensible hypothesis, it’s still
not entirely ruled out, but there was also lots of material about people acting suspiciously, a potential
history of some recent thefts from holiday apartments. Working through that it was a sensible thing to
pursue, and we had some descriptions to work with, and that led to us identifying amongst the 600, a
group of people who were worth pursuing, have they been involved in this activity, have they had a
role in Madeleine going missing? Because what the hypothesis was, then we’ve got some searches,
we’ve worked with the Portuguese, they were spoken to, and we pretty much closed off that group of
people. That’s one example of the journey I spoke about, you start with this massive pool of evidence,
you understand it, structure it, prioritise it, you work through and you try and sift the potential
suspects, and then you end up where we are today with some key lines of enquiry.
Q: As I understand it, the key to your suspicion about those four suspects was very much to do with
their use of mobile phones and one of the criticisms of the original Portuguese police investigation
was that they didn’t interrogate the mobile phone data as thoroughly as they could have done. How
important was it for you as that part of your investigation for you to pick up and thoroughly investigate
the mobile phone data?
MR: So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if
the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had
the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with
phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there
was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.
Q: How old were the suspects because I think you interviewed them originally through the Portuguese
beginning of July 2014?
MR: By the end of the year we were happy to have brought them out and we were moving on to other
parts of the investigation.


You've totally lost me, I haven't a clue what you think is 'disingenuous' about your link.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 10:48:40 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's lawyer says he's found proof he is innocent
EXCLUSIVE Friedrich Fuelscher said he has examined the areas around the flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where Madeleine McCann went missing and he now has proof Christian Brueckner is innocent


Suspect Christian Brueckner was in Praia da Luz at the time Madeleine went missing according to mobile phone records (Image: Via REUTERS)
Christian Brueckner’s lawyer claims he has found proof his client did not abduct Madeleine McCann.

Friedrich Fuelscher examined the areas around the flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where the McCanns stayed when Madeleine, three, vanished between 9.10pm and 10pm on May 3, 2007.

Mr Fuelscher said: “If the witness statements are correct, there was a time window of one minute and 30 seconds in which the child could have been abducted.”

Mobile phone records put Brueckner, 43, in Praia da Luz at the time Madeleine went missing.

But after timing distances from various places in the resort to the flat, Mr Fuelscher declared: “My client did not commit this crime.”


Madeleine was abducted in 2007 from a flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal (Image: PA)
German chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has said there is “material evidence” Madeleine is dead.

Brueckner has previously been convicted of a string of charges including possession of child sex images and the rape of a pensioner

He is currently serving a 21-month sentence in Kiel, northern Germany, on drug dealing charges.

But he claims he had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

The convicted paedophile is in a prison in Kiel, northern Germany, for drug trafficking and raping a 72-year-old American woman in the Algarve.

The rape occurred about 18 months before three-year-old Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, vanished.

Brueckner was jailed for seven years for the attack on the American woman and 21 months for drug trafficking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2020, 10:49:58 PM
Well that’s sorted then.  Bruckner is innocent.  That just leaves the McCanns in the frame now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 12, 2020, 10:48:40 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's lawyer says he's found proof he is innocent
EXCLUSIVE Friedrich Fuelscher said he has examined the areas around the flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where Madeleine McCann went missing and he now has proof Christian Brueckner is innocent


Suspect Christian Brueckner was in Praia da Luz at the time Madeleine went missing according to mobile phone records (Image: Via REUTERS)
Christian Brueckner’s lawyer claims he has found proof his client did not abduct Madeleine McCann.

Friedrich Fuelscher examined the areas around the flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where the McCanns stayed when Madeleine, three, vanished between 9.10pm and 10pm on May 3, 2007.

Mr Fuelscher said: “If the witness statements are correct, there was a time window of one minute and 30 seconds in which the child could have been abducted.”

Mobile phone records put Brueckner, 43, in Praia da Luz at the time Madeleine went missing.

But after timing distances from various places in the resort to the flat, Mr Fuelscher declared: “My client did not commit this crime.”


Madeleine was abducted in 2007 from a flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal (Image: PA)
German chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has said there is “material evidence” Madeleine is dead.

Brueckner has previously been convicted of a string of charges including possession of child sex images and the rape of a pensioner

He is currently serving a 21-month sentence in Kiel, northern Germany, on drug dealing charges.

But he claims he had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

The convicted paedophile is in a prison in Kiel, northern Germany, for drug trafficking and raping a 72-year-old American woman in the Algarve.

The rape occurred about 18 months before three-year-old Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, vanished.

Brueckner was jailed for seven years for the attack on the American woman and 21 months for drug trafficking.

He says "Friedrich Fuelscher examined the areas around the flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where the McCanns stayed when Madeleine, three, vanished between 9.10pm and 10pm on May 3, 2007."   But has additionally narrowed the window of opportunity to  a 90 second period.
"“If the witness statements are correct, there was a time window of one minute and 30 seconds in which the child could have been abducted.”

What was this period?  Was it 9:48 PM - 9:50 PM?

"But after timing distances from various places in the resort to the flat, Mr Fuelscher declared: “My client did not commit this crime.”  Well they must be getting very close to who may have done it.   Someone could have taken Madeleine to CB  rather than CB being there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 07:13:48 AM
I did fall off my chair though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
HCW has said he has enough evidence to show that his suspect killed MM.......I dont see how anyone can simply dismiss that as nothing. It has to have some significance

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 08:10:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
HCW has said he has enough evidence to show that his suspect killed MM.......I dont see how anyone can simply dismiss that as nothing. It has to have some significance
Fulscher hasn’t a clue what the evidence which must be very frustrating for him and his client.  Perhaps that’s why he keeps feeding the media daft interviews. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 08:14:21 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 12, 2020, 11:44:34 PM
He says "Friedrich Fuelscher examined the areas around the flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where the McCanns stayed when Madeleine, three, vanished between 9.10pm and 10pm on May 3, 2007."   But has additionally narrowed the window of opportunity to  a 90 second period.
"“If the witness statements are correct, there was a time window of one minute and 30 seconds in which the child could have been abducted.”

What was this period?  Was it 9:48 PM - 9:50 PM?

"But after timing distances from various places in the resort to the flat, Mr Fuelscher declared: “My client did not commit this crime.”  Well they must be getting very close to who may have done it.   Someone could have taken Madeleine to CB  rather than CB being there.

Looks like no alibi as I suspected
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 08:30:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 08:14:21 AM
Looks like no alibi as I suspected
Funny, I read that as these 'various places' as one of them being the place where CB told FF he was - his alibi.
So he checks the timings and quickly realises that they don't scan. It could be lies from CB of course, but at this point that would be utterly futile and something that FF would obviously personally verify.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 08:33:59 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 08:14:21 AM
Looks like no alibi as I suspected

He doesn't need one to satisfy the press where the investigation is being conducted, Wolters doesn't have anything to charge him with.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 08:57:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2020, 09:41:46 PM
According to Heriberto OG looked at those four men because he suggested they might be involved.

We all know where that went.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 09:03:55 AM
I’d like to know where he gets 90 seconds from.  Based on what witness statements exactly?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 08:33:59 AM
He doesn't need one to satisfy the press where the investigation is being conducted, Wolters doesn't have anything to charge him with.
Flaky evidence, which it obviously is, can be readily batted away with flimsy explanations, if any explanation is required at all. Put him in another location with a solid witness, then that's Jenga.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 09:14:37 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 13, 2020, 09:03:55 AM
I’d like to know where he gets 90 seconds from.  Based on what witness statements exactly?

Not hard to work out if its insisted Tannerman was the bogey man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 09:19:05 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 09:14:37 AM
Not hard to work out if its insisted Tannerman was the bogey man.
I must have missed the bit where the Germans insisted Tannerman was CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 09:19:54 AM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 09:14:12 AM
Flaky evidence, which it obviously is, can be readily batted away with flimsy explanations, if any explanation is required at all. Put him in another location with a solid witness, then that's Jenga.
Define "solid witness".  Six professional witnesses (including a number of doctors) and a grandmother are not considered "solid" by most sceptics on this forum so, yeah, define "solid".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 09:28:09 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 13, 2020, 09:19:05 AM
I must have missed the bit where the Germans insisted Tannerman was CB.

He didn't I gave you an option to follow a particular timeline, if you're not interested thats your prerogative, end of correspondence for today,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 09:37:46 AM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 08:30:11 AM
Funny, I read that as these 'various places' as one of them being the place where CB told FF he was - his alibi.
So he checks the timings and quickly realises that they don't scan. It could be lies from CB of course, but at this point that would be utterly futile and something that FF would obviously personally verify.

you mean thats your interpretation...but its not what he said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 09:14:12 AM
Flaky evidence, which it obviously is, can be readily batted away with flimsy explanations, if any explanation is required at all. Put him in another location with a solid witness, then that's Jenga.

wheres the solid witness......no mention of a solid witness..no suggestion of a witness  solid or otherwise..so no alibi.

what we do hav e is friends of his indicating his guilt.....and HCW says he has evidence which has not yet been disclosed.....enough evidence to show CB killed MM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 13, 2020, 09:57:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
wheres the solid witness......no mention of a solid witness..no suggestion of a witness  solid or otherwise..so no alibi.

what we do hav e is friends of his indicating his guilt.....and HCW says he has evidence which has not yet been disclosed.....enough evidence to show CB killed MM

Be patient.

Brueckner has only had a few months to prove he didn't do it.

IMO the McCanns have had 13 years & they still haven't managed it.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 09:14:37 AM
Not hard to work out if its insisted Tannerman was the bogey man.
I'd be really reluctant to rely on the witness statements from that shower.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 10:06:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 09:37:46 AM
you mean thats your interpretation...but its not what he said
That's why I said 'how I read it'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 10:08:41 AM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 10:06:53 AM
That's why I said 'how I read it'.

thats how I read your post
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 10:05:56 AM
I'd be really reluctant to rely on the witness statements from that shower.

Oh come now tannerman is still the bogeyman its the only timeline that fits for 90 secs,GM check through to JT seeing him (tannerman)scuttle across the road,fits like a glove.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 10:36:08 AM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 10:05:56 AM
I'd be really reluctant to rely on the witness statements from that shower.
Whereas a "solid" witness statement from the associate of a convicted burglar/paedo/rapist no problem.  Yes that figures...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 10:50:00 AM
For those of you looking for a russian connection.

Mr Wolters also stressed that German police do not believe the chief Madeline McCann suspect had an accomplice and described his ex-girlfriend Nicole Fehlinger as a witness.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8833977/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-lawyer-says-phone-records-prove-innocence.html


Caveat, Rowley 2017:There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 08:14:21 AM
Looks like no alibi as I suspected
This to me suggests an alibi: "But after timing distances from various places in the resort to the flat".  He is saying he was in other places, but reasonably close t the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 11:17:02 AM
This to me suggests an alibi: "But after timing distances from various places in the resort to the flat".  He is saying he was in other places, but reasonably close t the apartment.

Yeah what an alibi,he was turning over a gaff which places him away from 5a,boy that'll make the pigeons fly,prove it wrong Mr Wolters.Scenario of my making. ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 11:21:35 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 10:09:52 AM
Oh come now tannerman is still the bogeyman its the only timeline that fits for 90 secs,GM check through to JT seeing him (tannerman)scuttle across the road,fits like a glove.

Jane Tanner saw a man crossing the road ahead of her and carrying a child.  He was not "scuttling".  I believe he was described as walking briskly as one would due to the incline of the road and if one had just kidnapped the child.

Brueckner's lawyer has at one fell swoop just broadcast to the world that he has been given absolutely nothing with which to defend his client.

Short of having 'proof' it doesn't appear that he even has any evidence.

In my opinion it matters not at all where Rachel Oldfield or Dianne Webster were in the lawyer's time frame for abduction.

The only witness statement of any relevance is one which tells precisely where Brueckner was during the window when Madeleine disappeared that evening.

Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher needs to find evidence of where Brueckner was over that period.  To satisfy a court I imagine that would have to be independently corroborated by evidence or by witnesses.

Herr Fulscher quite obviously does not have that information.
He is obviously incapable of being able to say, "My client has a witness/witnesses that he was in such and such a location all evening with me" or he would already have said it.

He is being forced to use diversionary tactics which are good enough to provoke discussion on internet fora.  But that simply isn't good enough for serious presentation in court.

In my opinion Brueckner is going to have to produce something substantial to help his lawyer to defend him - or to dislodge me from my chair - and I don't think he has it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 11:22:12 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 11:19:37 AM
Yeah what an alibi,he was turning over a gaff which places him away from 5a,boy that'll make the pigeons fly,prove it wrong Mr Wolters.Scenario of my making. ?>)()<
Firstly, Fulscher would have to prove that the window of opportunity for Madeleine to have been taken was only 90 specific seconds.  Good luck with that Mr Fulscher. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 11:17:02 AM
This to me suggests an alibi: "But after timing distances from various places in the resort to the flat".  He is saying he was in other places, but reasonably close t the apartment.

Your interpretation...no actual alibi.
The fact he hadn't claimed an alibi which would conclusively prove his innocence strongly suggests to me that he has no alibi
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 11:17:02 AM
This to me suggests an alibi: "But after timing distances from various places in the resort to the flat".  He is saying he was in other places, but reasonably close t the apartment.
That's exactly what he's inferring, in my unhumble (new word - add it to the Generalasaurus) opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 11:40:00 AM
That's exactly what he's inferring, in my unhumble (new word - add it to the Generalasaurus) opinion.
implying not inferring (check your Generalictionary).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 11:30:14 AM
Your interpretation...no actual alibi.
The fact he hadn't claimed an alibi which would conclusively prove his innocence strongly suggests to me that he has no alibi
Fulscher is carrying out due diligence, which is admirable, but actually irrelevant. It shouldn't matter whether he's guilty or not to a good defence lawyer.
....and the concept of an alibi of any sort is also moot, as he hasn't been questioned or charged with anything, so doesn't need one. But it looks like FF has verified it nevertheless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 11:44:13 AM
Fulscher is carrying out due diligence, which is admirable, but actually irrelevant. It shouldn't matter whether he's guilty or not to a good defence lawyer.
....and the concept of an alibi of any sort is also moot, as he hasn't been questioned or charged with anything, so doesn't need one. But it looks like FF has verified it nevertheless.

Imo FF is a very poor lawyer who has verified nothing. What sort of reputation does he have as a defence lawyer. It's quite possible CB has had to scrape the bottom of the barrel
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
Imo FF is a very poor lawyer who has verified nothing. What sort of reputation does he have as a defence lawyer. It's quite possible CB has had to scrape the bottom of the barrel
I've no idea. He could be the worst lawyer in Europe, but it looks like even he has peeked behind the curtain of the Muppet Show....and seen Miss Piggy in a state of undress.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 12:29:01 PM
It seems the phone records (which sceptics on here said were impossible to use to pinpoint his loacation) are now being cited by his lawyer as proof that he couldn't have done the crime based on his location at the time of the phone call, and I'm not seeing any sceptic yet argue that he is mistaken.  (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 12:35:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 10:50:00 AM
For those of you looking for a russian connection.

Mr Wolters also stressed that German police do not believe the chief Madeline McCann suspect had an accomplice and described his ex-girlfriend Nicole Fehlinger as a witness.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8833977/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-lawyer-says-phone-records-prove-innocence.html


Caveat, Rowley 2017:There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.
There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.

You give the appearance to me of being unable to accept that Madeleine's is a live investigation which is still very fluid and very active.

The old headlines are the digging up of Luz ~ individuals being interviewed as what amounts to 'persons of interest etc. but nothing of which was static or a fly in aspic.
Madeleine's has always been an active case with everything moving towards an end.
Everything was a continuing line of enquiry which when looked at in retrospect has continued to where we are today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
I've no idea. He could be the worst lawyer in Europe, but it looks like even he has peeked behind the curtain of the Muppet Show....and seen Miss Piggy in a state of undress.
That makes Fulscher Fozzie Bear (who if I recall was not the sharpest Muppet in the Puppet Box)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 12:52:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 12:35:04 PM
There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.

You give the appearance to me of being unable to accept that Madeleine's is a live investigation which is still very fluid and very active.

The old headlines are the digging up of Luz ~ individuals being interviewed as what amounts to 'persons of interest etc. but nothing of which was static or a fly in aspic.
Madeleine's has always been an active case with everything moving towards an end.
Everything was a continuing line of enquiry which when looked at in retrospect has continued to where we are today.
Peel away the commentary,speculation and sensational bits,what is there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 13, 2020, 11:22:12 AM
Firstly, Fulscher would have to prove that the window of opportunity for Madeleine to have been taken was only 90 specific seconds.  Good luck with that Mr Fulscher.

Nope wrong way round,Wolters has to prove,Fulscher is saying there is a limited window,prove it Wolters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 01:28:43 PM
Nope wrong way round,Wolters has to prove,Fulscher is saying there is a limited window,prove it Wolters.
I thought you’d drawn a line under our conversation hours ago, after nastily wishing all my troubles of the day to be big ones? 

Fulscher has said he can prove CB could not have committed the crime (using his phone records no less!), so my point stands. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 01:54:49 PM

If Brueckner's Lawyer is relying on PJ Evidence of the time then he is on a very sticky wicket.  In My Opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 12:52:46 PM
Peel away the commentary,speculation and sensational bits,what is there?

There is no speculation about what the German prosecutor has been saying in public.  It is all too disturbingly clear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 02:30:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 01:28:43 PM
Nope wrong way round,Wolters has to prove,Fulscher is saying there is a limited window,prove it Wolters.

If Brueckner has an explanation which explains who answered his phone when it was activated in Luz that night and can substantiate his whereabouts for that night and the following day, I think his lawyer would have a chance of arguing his case.

As it stands I don't think he is giving his lawyer an easy ride.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
There is no speculation about what the German prosecutor has been saying in public.  It is all too disturbingly clear.
What he's saying is (disturbingly) clear, but the detail is nonexistent.
Besides, he's apparently been stating that he's now looking at two Russian guys (pure hearsay, no cite, saw it on a German website, understood 2 thirds of it, can't find it again). I wonder if they did it too?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 02:59:20 PM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 02:45:14 PM
What he's saying is (disturbingly) clear, but the detail is nonexistent.
Besides, he's apparently been stating that he's now looking at two Russian guys (pure hearsay, no cite, saw it on a German website, understood 2 thirds of it, can't find it again). I wonder if they did it too?

I thought that was one of Sexta as 9's theories, uncovered by their team of experts working under the leadership of the admirable Sandra Felgueiras?


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 03:03:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 02:59:20 PM
I thought that was one of Sexta as 9's theories, uncovered by their team of experts working under the leadership of the admirable Sandra Felgueiras?

And....?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 02:59:20 PM
I thought that was one of Sexta as 9's theories, uncovered by their team of experts working under the leadership of the admirable Sandra Felgueiras?
Maybe we should start a new thread 'New Russian Suspects....blah......whatevs.....blah'.
Yeh, maybe not, this one's dry enough.

.....ahh fragrant Sandra, with a face like a wilting pipe dream.
I'm no oil painting, I've got a face like a burst couch. Seen too much. Maybe Sandy has......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 03:12:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 02:30:38 PM
If Brueckner has an explanation which explains who answered his phone when it was activated in Luz that night and can substantiate his whereabouts for that night and the following day, I think his lawyer would have a chance of arguing his case.

As it stands I don't think he is giving his lawyer an easy ride.

The fact that he doesn't seem to have any explanation and his lawyer has had to travel to Portugal to try and build some defence is highly significant imo
What happened to his lawyer s claim the CB didn't have to prove anything ...seems he's making a u turn....sign of incompetence to me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 03:11:24 PM
Maybe we should start a new thread 'New Russian Suspects....blah......whatevs.....blah'.
Yeh, maybe not, this one's dry enough.

.....ahh fragrant Sandra, with a face like a wilting pipe dream.
I'm no oil painting, I've got a face like a burst couch. Seen too much. Maybe Sandy has......

I do find that post quite unpleasant...why do you find the need to criticise her looks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 01:54:49 PM
If Brueckner's Lawyer is relying on PJ Evidence of the time then he is on a very sticky wicket.  In My Opinion.
So you're saying that Tanners sighting can't be relied upon,glad thats cleared up,next.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
I do find that post quite unpleasant...why do you find the need to criticise her looks.
Because clearly he's a sexist misogynist IMO, who thinks if a woman is going to have the cheek to pursue a career as a TV journo she owes it to her audience to at least be young and pretty, so the likes of he and his ilk can switch off from her droning on and on and simply admire the totty.   Actually, I don't think she looks very much different from the days when she was every Dogs-Don't-Lie Cultist's wet dream. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 03:11:24 PM
Maybe we should start a new thread 'New Russian Suspects....blah......whatevs.....blah'.
Yeh, maybe not, this one's dry enough.

.....ahh fragrant Sandra, with a face like a wilting pipe dream.
I'm no oil painting, I've got a face like a burst couch. Seen too much. Maybe Sandy has......

I did say some time ago about Rasputin being involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 03:25:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 13, 2020, 03:23:24 PM
Because clearly he's a sexist misogynist IMO, who thinks if a woman is going to have the cheek to pursue a career as a TV journo she owes it to her audience to at least be young and pretty, so the likes of he and his ilk can switch off from her droning on and on and simply admire the totty.   Actually, I don't think she looks very much different from the days when she was every Dogs-Don't-Lie Cultist's wet dream.
I think it's quite nasty which of course is an essential quality as regards sceptics so no surprise really
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 03:37:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 03:19:45 PM
So you're saying that Tanners sighting can't be relied upon,glad thats cleared up,next.

I don't have a problem with Jane Tanner's evidence.  Only Amaral had that problem.  And lied in the process of trying to discredit her.  But then Amaral is a proven Liar.

Your Comment is just word games, at which you are not very good.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
I did say some time ago about Rasputin being involved.

Has no one told you that Rasputin is dead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 03:46:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 03:37:08 PM
I don't have a problem with Jane Tanner's evidence.  Only Amaral had that problem.  And lied in the process of trying to discredit her.  But then Amaral is a proven Liar.

Your Comment is just word games, at which you are not very good.
Hey you're slipping,you're usual stock answer is I'm better at this than you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 03:37:08 PM
I don't have a problem with Jane Tanner's evidence.  Only Amaral had that problem.  And lied in the process of trying to discredit her.  But then Amaral is a proven Liar.

Your Comment is just word games, at which you are not very good.

Gotta get his name in there somewhere is there a bonus for thus?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 03:53:27 PM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 02:45:14 PM
What he's saying is (disturbingly) clear, but the detail is nonexistent.
Besides, he's apparently been stating that he's now looking at two Russian guys (pure hearsay, no cite, saw it on a German website, understood 2 thirds of it, can't find it again). I wonder if they did it too?

Then he contradicts himself in other articles saying he believed his suspect acted alone,oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 03:25:21 PM
I think it's quite nasty which of course is an essential quality as regards sceptics so no surprise really

This is true, but so very sad.  But nothing to be done about it.  Like you, I take the occasional break, but I do believe that they can't help themselves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 03:25:21 PM
I think it's quite nasty which of course is an essential quality as regards sceptics so no surprise really
Yes, well I had Barrier basically wishing me a shit life earlier today (totally unprovoked), so pretty much par for the course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 03:59:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 03:46:53 PM
Hey you're slipping,you're usual stock answer is I'm better at this than you.

Goodness me, I had no idea that you have paid that much attention to my comments.  But word games really aren't that important.  Yours less than mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 04:00:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 03:47:46 PM
Gotta get his name in there somewhere is there a bonus for thus?

No.  No Bonus.  It is just a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 04:06:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 03:59:35 PM
Goodness me, I had no idea that you have paid that much attention to my comments.  But word games really aren't that important.  Yours less than mine.
I'm sure you'll find some who cares along the way,any how back to Charlie boy,any charges yet,thought not,won't be long now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 03:25:21 PM
I think it's quite nasty which of course is an essential quality as regards sceptics so no surprise really
So roughly 45% of all sentient humans with opinions and readily express them are nasty?
I suppose then that 45% of the same populous are benevolent, caring and accepting?
Perhaps your 45% then should forgive us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 04:18:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 02:59:20 PM
I thought that was one of Sexta as 9's theories, uncovered by their team of experts working under the leadership of the admirable Sandra Felgueiras?

As things begin to look bleak for Brueckner and his legal team I think it appears the usual reaction to unwelcome news news is to find a whipping boy.  The admirable (and perhaps even fragrant) Sandra Felgueiras it is.  It seems she is relying on herself and all she has picked up in a thirteen year learning curve reliant on well checked out sources this time round to have excited this angst.

"facts are chiels that winna ding" and Sandra has certainly been instrumental in producing many which are withstanding scrutiny.
The emergence of "scapegoat" Brueckner into the public domain does indeed appear to have presaged a general weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.  I don't think life for some is ever going to be the same again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 03:12:46 PM
The fact that he doesn't seem to have any explanation and his lawyer has had to travel to Portugal to try and build some defence is highly significant imo
What happened to his lawyer s claim the CB didn't have to prove anything ...seems he's making a u turn....sign of incompetence to me
Exercising rigor is a sign of incompetence to you?
Explains a lot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 03:12:46 PM
The fact that he doesn't seem to have any explanation and his lawyer has had to travel to Portugal to try and build some defence is highly significant imo
What happened to his lawyer s claim the CB didn't have to prove anything ...seems he's making a u turn....sign of incompetence to me

It seems his lawyer has accepted that Brueckner was the recipient of the call to Luz as he has based his argument on it;  maybe he will be able to tell the police who phoned him - I don't think it would have taken thirty minutes for a wrong number. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8833977/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-lawyer-says-phone-records-prove-innocence.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 04:27:02 PM
It seems his lawyer has accepted that Brueckner was the recipient of the call to Luz as he has based his argument on it;  maybe he will be able to tell the police who phoned him - I don't think it would have taken thirty minutes for a wrong number. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8833977/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-lawyer-says-phone-records-prove-innocence.html
I hope he does - as soon as he's actually asked. Put this pitiful charade to bed (no pun intended).
Incidentally, and ironically, l doubt that if he did anything on that night, and I'm pretty sure he did, even he's not so stupid as to leave a wrong number in his call log for future discovery.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 04:39:42 PM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 04:20:18 PM
Exercising rigor is a sign of incompetence to you?
Explains a lot.

He has based his conclusions on the accuracy of the satements...even though the statemnts...we know as  a fact ....may not be accurate. 

He has also taken advice from amaral ...who we know as  a fact.....did not understand the evidence.

He seems to be saying his client is innocent because an abduction is impossible in the timeline. This is pure amaralspeak...who says ...first prove an abduction took place. SY have already confirmed an abduction is possible.

I understand that but it seems he doesnt.

what he is not doing is providing an alibi..

the lawyer is a complete fool imo....but I suppose he has little to work with could be his defence


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2020, 03:47:46 PM
Gotta get his name in there somewhere is there a bonus for thus?

The unthinkable has happened and there has been an investigation which has systematically followed evidence doggedly despite the FOI requests, the campaigns, the letters to MPs, the petitions and every other and any device possible to derail it.

As a result we are now where we are and in my opinion closer than we ever have been to finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

The vibes I am getting from some recent posts is that the possible resolution of Madeleine's case does not meet with the general approval one would have expected.

I think that is very sad and very telling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 04:39:42 PM
He has based his conclusions on the accuracy of the satements...even though the statemnts...we know as  a fact ....may not be accurate. 

He has also taken advice from amaral ...who we know as  a fact.....did not understand the evidence.

He seems to be saying his client is innocent because an abduction is impossible in the timeline. This is pure amaralspeak...who says ...first prove an abduction took place. SY have already confirmed an abduction is possible.

I understand that but it seems he doesnt.

what he is not doing is providing an alibi..

the lawyer is a complete fool imo....but I suppose he has little to work with could be his defence
The bold bit: probably more a case of he's also saying that, i.e. he's answered a specific question with the fundamental aspect of his initial findings, but clearly there's many more facets.
Having said that, and don't disclose this to anyone Dav, I don't really care. I'm more concerned with the fact that they closed my gym because Liverpool has 3 million students with COVID.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 04:57:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 04:39:42 PM
He has based his conclusions on the accuracy of the satements...even though the statemnts...we know as  a fact ....may not be accurate. 

He has also taken advice from amaral ...who we know as  a fact.....did not understand the evidence.

He seems to be saying his client is innocent because an abduction is impossible in the timeline. This is pure amaralspeak...who says ...first prove an abduction took place. SY have already confirmed an abduction is possible.

I understand that but it seems he doesnt.

what he is not doing is providing an alibi..

the lawyer is a complete fool imo....but I suppose he has little to work with could be his defence

I'm a bit incredulous that the lawyer who is on record as saying he would allow his client to watch his dog but not his daughter is still intent - in my opinion - on dropping him in it every time he opens his mouth.

I think he is desperate to know what evidence the prosecutor has which is not surprising as I think he has none.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 04:40:32 PM
The unthinkable has happened and there has been an investigation which has systematically followed evidence doggedly despite the FOI requests, the campaigns, the letters to MPs, the petitions and every other and any device possible to derail it.

As a result we are now where we are and in my opinion closer than we ever have been to finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

The vibes I am getting from some recent posts is that the possible resolution of Madeleine's case does not meet with the general approval one would have expected.

I think that is very sad and very telling.
I echo those sentiments. Here's to a successful end to this terrible saga.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 13, 2020, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 04:57:40 PM
I'm a bit incredulous that the lawyer who is on record as saying he would allow his client to watch his dog but not his daughter is still intent - in my opinion - on dropping him in it every time he opens his mouth.

I think he is desperate to know what evidence the prosecutor has which is not surprising as I think he has none.
You could be right there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 05:09:05 PM
Quote from: The General on October 13, 2020, 04:20:18 PM
Exercising rigor is a sign of incompetence to you?
Explains a lot.
rigor1
/ˈrɪɡɔː,ˈrʌɪɡɔː,ˈrʌɪɡə/
nounMEDICINE
noun: rigor; plural noun: rigors
a sudden feeling of cold with shivering accompanied by a rise in temperature, often with copious sweating, especially at the onset or height of a fever.

Or perhaps you meant rigour?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 05:21:35 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 04:40:32 PM
The unthinkable has happened and there has been an investigation which has systematically followed evidence doggedly despite the FOI requests, the campaigns, the letters to MPs, the petitions and every other and any device possible to derail it.

As a result we are now where we are and in my opinion closer than we ever have been to finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

The vibes I am getting from some recent posts is that the possible resolution of Madeleine's case does not meet with the general approval one would have expected.

I think that is very sad and very telling.

I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann, but I've seen no evidence that CB was in Luz on 3rd May, or that if he was he was stealing a child from a holiday apartment.

Until I do I'll leave it to those more easily convinced than me to get excited by the media hype and speculation triggered by the appeal for information released in June.

Not because I don't want the case solved, but because I don't know what evidence Wolters is keeping secret. All I do know is it's insufficient to convict CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 05:21:35 PM
I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann, but I've seen no evidence that CB was in Luz on 3rd May, or that if he was he was stealing a child from a holiday apartment.

Until I do I'll leave it to those more easily convinced than me to get excited by the media hype and speculation triggered by the appeal for information released in June.

Not because I don't want the case solved, but because I don't know what evidence Wolters is keeping secret. All I do know is it's insufficient to convict CB.

What we know is enough to suspect CB....and HCW has  said he has enough evidence to show his suspect killed MM....to write that off as nothing is ridiculous imo

I'm certainly not easily convinced about anything ....things have to be supported by evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2020, 06:10:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 05:21:35 PM
I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann, but I've seen no evidence that CB was in Luz on 3rd May, or that if he was he was stealing a child from a holiday apartment.

Until I do I'll leave it to those more easily convinced than me to get excited by the media hype and speculation triggered by the appeal for information released in June.

Not because I don't want the case solved, but because I don't know what evidence Wolters is keeping secret. All I do know is it's insufficient to convict CB.

What would be even worse is it nerves gets to court through lack of evidence,what then for OG,you cannot continually search for what doesn't exist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 06:15:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 05:21:35 PM
I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann, but I've seen no evidence that CB was in Luz on 3rd May, or that if he was he was stealing a child from a holiday apartment.

Until I do I'll leave it to those more easily convinced than me to get excited by the media hype and speculation triggered by the appeal for information released in June.

Not because I don't want the case solved, but because I don't know what evidence Wolters is keeping secret. All I do know is it's insufficient to convict CB.
And in the meantime keep on researching the files for evidence of wrong-doing by Kate and Gerry, and discussing the same old tired tropes over and over again, yes we get it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 13, 2020, 06:33:54 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 04:27:02 PM
It seems his lawyer has accepted that Brueckner was the recipient of the call to Luz as he has based his argument on it;  maybe he will be able to tell the police who phoned him - I don't think it would have taken thirty minutes for a wrong number. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8833977/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-lawyer-says-phone-records-prove-innocence.html
I agree, Brietta. It is interesting that Fulscher positions Brückner as Wolters has suggested i.e in the vicinity of apartment 5A. I also think 90 seconds is plausible to take a child from her bed, given that Brückner may have known the layout of the apartment or was already in the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 13, 2020, 05:09:05 PM
rigor1
/ˈrɪɡɔː,ˈrʌɪɡɔː,ˈrʌɪɡə/
nounMEDICINE
noun: rigor; plural noun: rigors
a sudden feeling of cold with shivering accompanied by a rise in temperature, often with copious sweating, especially at the onset or height of a fever.

Or perhaps you meant rigour?

Rigour (UK) or rigor (US) describes a condition of stiffness or strictness. Rigour frequently refers to a process of adhering absolutely to certain constraints, or the practice of maintaining strict consistency with certain predefined parameters.
Wikipedia
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 13, 2020, 06:33:54 PM
I agree, Brietta. It is interesting that Fulscher positions Brückner as Wolters has suggested i.e in the vicinity of apartment 5A. I also think 90 seconds is plausible to take a child from her bed, given that Brückner may have known the layout of the apartment or was already in the apartment.

I dont think we have to assume the window was 90 secs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:23:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 11:30:14 AM
Your interpretation...no actual alibi.
The fact he hadn't claimed an alibi which would conclusively prove his innocence strongly suggests to me that he has no alibi
Well you had better define what is an alibi.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:27:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
Imo FF is a very poor lawyer who has verified nothing. What sort of reputation does he have as a defence lawyer. It's quite possible CB has had to scrape the bottom of the barrel
That is libel if I ever I've seen one.  FF in your description = possibly "the bottom of the barrel".   Defamation case coming up IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 13, 2020, 07:28:05 PM
The PJ files contain this re. Russians.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:28:46 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:27:42 PM
That is libel if I ever I've seen one.  FF in your description = possibly "the bottom of the barrel".   Defamation case coming up IMO.

have you read what has been said about HCW by several posters...do you understand the defamation law
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 13, 2020, 07:29:42 PM
While an alibi would be helpful, it is for the prosecution to prove he was in 5A, not for Brueckner to prove that he wasn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:23:10 PM
Well you had better define what is an alibi.

I think most understand the word
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 13, 2020, 01:54:49 PM
If Brueckner's Lawyer is relying on PJ Evidence of the time then he is on a very sticky wicket.  In My Opinion.
Why do you think this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:30:34 PM
Why do you think this?

The initial PJ investigation didnt understand the evidence...they thought the dogs and dna proved Maddie died in the apartment
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:36:16 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:27:42 PM
That is libel if I ever I've seen one.  FF in your description = possibly "the bottom of the barrel".   Defamation case coming up IMO.
This is what John had to say about HCW...


I managed to catch Martin Brunt's interview with the German prosecutor on Friday and I must say the guy comes across as a prize pillock.

In my opinion he is a glory hunter, a chancer, a bluffer, who is seeking to exploit Madeleine for his own benefit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 07:28:46 PM
have you read what has been said about HCW by several posters...do you understand the defamation law
You ought to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:39:52 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:37:08 PM
You ought to.


I do Rob..

Under the Act, a statement is held not to be defamatory "unless its publication has caused or is likely to cause serious harm to the reputation of the claimant".

Would you say my statement has caused serious harm to FFs reputation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:41:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
I think most understand the word
It seems to be you who has trouble understanding the concept of alibi.  CB isn't presenting a strong alibi that immediately rules him out.   He is like the other several thousand inhabitants of PdL, within walking distance of the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:41:22 PM
It seems to be you who has trouble understanding the concept of alibi.  CB isn't presenting a strong alibi that immediately rules him out.   He is like the other several thousand inhabitants of PdL, within walking distance of the apartment.
I understand the word alibi...and libel...CB doesnt seem to have one at the moment
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:44:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 07:34:32 PM
The initial PJ investigation didnt understand the evidence...they thought the dogs and dna proved Maddie died in the apartment
And how does that support Eleanor's statement "If Brueckner's Lawyer is relying on PJ Evidence of the time then he is on a very sticky wicket."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:46:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 07:36:16 PM
This is what John had to say about HCW...


I managed to catch Martin Brunt's interview with the German prosecutor on Friday and I must say the guy comes across as a prize pillock.

In my opinion he is a glory hunter, a chancer, a bluffer, who is seeking to exploit Madeleine for his own benefit.
In your case you are defaming FF not HCW.  FF is a lawyer too remember.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:49:01 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:44:26 PM
And how does that support Eleanor's statement "If Brueckner's Lawyer is relying on PJ Evidence of the time then he is on a very sticky wicket."

Ithink its self explanatory
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 07:39:52 PM

I do Rob..

Under the Act, a statement is held not to be defamatory "unless its publication has caused or is likely to cause serious harm to the reputation of the claimant".

Would you say my statement has caused serious harm to FFs reputation
To say he is "possibly the scraping from the bottom of the barrel", is very damaging to his reputation IMO.

Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 07:49:01 PM
Ithink its self explanatory
With the exception of this time.  The explanation needs to be yours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:46:56 PM
In your case you are defaming FF not HCW.  FF is a lawyer too remember.

Would you say my statement has caused serious harm to FFs reputation..

so you only see my statement as libellous but not Johns....I dont see either as libellous based on the above
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:52:52 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
To say he is "possibly the scraping from the bottom of the barrel", is very damaging to his reputation IMO.
With the exception of this time.  The explanation needs to be yours.


I dont see it would cause serious damage....if you think it would then you should see Johns posts as libellous.

What good would advice be from those who didnt understand the evidence...no use
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 07:51:11 PM
Would you say my statement has caused serious harm to FFs reputation..

so you only see my statement as libellous but not Johns....I dont see either as libellous based on the above
It is not my role to moderate John.   I'm looking after your butt not his.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 07:55:06 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
It is not my role to moderate John.   I'm looking after your butt not his.

You are not looking after my butt...dont be disgusting

continue the conversation on your own....I want no further part
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 07:55:06 PM
You are not looking after my butt...dont be disgusting

continue the conversation on your own....I want no further part
I think FF deserves an apology too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:23:10 PM
Well you had better define what is an alibi.

However one cares to define it ... I don't think Bruechner has one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
Rigour (UK) or rigor (US) describes a condition of stiffness or strictness. Rigour frequently refers to a process of adhering absolutely to certain constraints, or the practice of maintaining strict consistency with certain predefined parameters.
Wikipedia
Last time I looked we were in the UK, as is the General who is from Liverpool, where the word rigor means something different, as I demonstrated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:59:18 PM
I think FF deserves an apology too.


I think I do...message on its way to John
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2020, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 13, 2020, 07:29:42 PM
While an alibi would be helpful, it is for the prosecution to prove he was in 5A, not for Brueckner to prove that he wasn't.
If CB cannot explain where he was the court can draw a negative inference and it becomes part of the circumstantial evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 08:17:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 13, 2020, 07:28:05 PM
The PJ files contain this re. Russians.

Thanks Anthro.

Snip
Email to Portimao DIC

From: M.J. Mestre

Sent: Saturday 19th May 2007, 19.46

To: Portimao DIC

 
Subject: Madeleine

 
My daughter, assistant at Faro airport, told me that a colleague of hers, two or three days after Madeleine’s disappearance, told her that two Russians embarked, accompanied by a girl similar in appearance to Madeleine, whose child passport was hand written, which she found strange. It should be noted that at this time there were already photographs of the girl up in the airport, but they were all black and white.

With compliments

M.J: Mestre

 
Handwritten on email:

 
Information

 - Barroso contact airport

- The flight was to Dublin

- Check arrival and departure lists
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGAL_SIGHTINGS.htm


I wonder if the information was checked out as advised in the handwritten note.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 08:22:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2020, 08:02:12 PM

I think I do...message on its way to John
It was you who implied FF was the bottom of the barrel.  It should be you getting a letter from John.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 13, 2020, 08:27:20 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 08:17:16 PM
Thanks Anthro.

Snip
Email to Portimao DIC

From: M.J. Mestre

Sent: Saturday 19th May 2007, 19.46

To: Portimao DIC

 
Subject: Madeleine

 
My daughter, assistant at Faro airport, told me that a colleague of hers, two or three days after Madeleine’s disappearance, told her that two Russians embarked, accompanied by a girl similar in appearance to Madeleine, whose child passport was hand written, which she found strange. It should be noted that at this time there were already photographs of the girl up in the airport, but they were all black and white.

With compliments

M.J: Mestre

 
Handwritten on email:

 
Information

 - Barroso contact airport

- The flight was to Dublin

- Check arrival and departure lists
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGAL_SIGHTINGS.htm


I wonder if the information was checked out as advised in the handwritten note.
Yes Brietta, I also wonder if it was checked. The handwritten passport seems to be not the norm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 13, 2020, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 13, 2020, 07:29:42 PM
While an alibi would be helpful, it is for the prosecution to prove he was in 5A, not for Brueckner to prove that he wasn't.
Indeed. However, the prosecution does not have to prove that Brückner was in the apartment. According to Wolters there is evidence associating Madeleine with Brückner. Madeleine might have been lifted from her bed by someone else who might have handed her to Brückner. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 08:35:49 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 13, 2020, 07:44:26 PM
And how does that support Eleanor's statement "If Brueckner's Lawyer is relying on PJ Evidence of the time then he is on a very sticky wicket."

Weren't witness statements and the time available for an abduction mentioned? It sounds to me as if he is talking about checks on the children and the gaps between them, as recounted by the McCanns and their friends. That evidence was collected by the PJ but not influenced by them. The 30 minute gaps between checks on the McCann children make it sound like there was ample time for an abduction, but there were others passing the apartment which means it was under observation more frequently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2020, 08:40:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 13, 2020, 08:35:49 PM
Weren't witness statements and the time available for an abduction mentioned? It sounds to me as if he is talking about checks on the children and the gaps between them, as recounted by the McCanns and their friends. That evidence was collected by the PJ but not influenced by them. The 30 minute gaps between checks on the McCann children make it sound like there was ample time for an abduction, but there were others passing the apartment which means it was under observation more frequently.
There was ample time for an abduction imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 13, 2020, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 13, 2020, 08:33:12 PM
Indeed. However, the prosecution does not have to prove that Brückner was in the apartment. According to Wolters there is evidence associating Madeleine with Brückner. Madeleine might have been lifted from her bed by someone else who might have handed her to Brückner. My opinion.

Ok, in which case they would have to prove all of that too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 13, 2020, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 13, 2020, 08:27:20 PM
Yes Brietta, I also wonder if it was checked. The handwritten passport seems to be not the norm.

I am interested in the reaction of the employee who didn't act on a situation she found suspicious but only gossiped about it to a colleague many days later.

The initial witness who despite the fact that the McCann friends (I make that presumption because it does not appear to be a Judicial police 'thing') had put posters up in the airport, did not report the little girl to security despite finding the situation 'strange'.

If the men accompanying the child had not been allowed to board ~ or if they had been met at Dublin airport ~ it could have been determined whether or not the little girl was Madeleine.
I shudder at the thought it could have been her and if so she could have been returned to her family within days.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on October 14, 2020, 05:39:03 AM
A slightly updated version of "60 Minutes Australia - The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvqu9Wd388c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvqu9Wd388c)

with Sandra F. having the last word... https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2493 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2493)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 08:53:22 AM
Quote from: Myster on October 14, 2020, 05:39:03 AM
A slightly updated version of "60 Minutes Australia - The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvqu9Wd388c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvqu9Wd388c)

with Sandra F. having the last word... https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2493 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2493)
"If innocence has a face then surely it is Madeleine McCann's"  But the face on the video is not Madeleine McCann IMO.   So many of the features is not the Madeleine I know.    Something is not right.
https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=10 - https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=16
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 08:53:22 AM
"If innocence has a face then surely it is Madeleine McCann's"  But the face on the video is not Madeleine McCann IMO.   So many of the features is not the Madeleine I know.    Something is not right.
https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=10 - https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=16
Oh dear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 09:10:15 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 08:53:22 AM
"If innocence has a face then surely it is Madeleine McCann's"  But the face on the video is not Madeleine McCann IMO.   So many of the features is not the Madeleine I know.    Something is not right.
https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=10 - https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=16

Of course it's Madeleine
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: Myster on October 14, 2020, 05:39:03 AM
A slightly updated version of "60 Minutes Australia - The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvqu9Wd388c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvqu9Wd388c)

with Sandra F. having the last word... https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2493 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2493)

Thanks Myster.
Thought provoking and quite distressing,
Kerry Needham summed it all up succinctly by giving a glimpse of her life and what the suffering of Madeleine's family must be at this time.
It is a 'discussion' for us, but it is their lives.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 09:25:11 AM
Quote from: Myster on October 14, 2020, 05:39:03 AM
A slightly updated version of "60 Minutes Australia - The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvqu9Wd388c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvqu9Wd388c)

with Sandra F. having the last word... https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2493 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2493)

60 Minutes played a clip showing the triangulated location of Brueckner's phone.  His lawyer has not gone with denial of Brueckner's presence but seems intent on the 'proof' he thinks he has worked out that he couldn't have got from one of the various locations to kidnap Madeleine in what he thinks is a ninety second window.

I think it is more and more likely that everything is pointing towards this man being charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 14, 2020, 09:29:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 09:25:11 AM
60 Minutes played a clip showing the triangulated location of Brueckner's phone.  His lawyer has not gone with denial of Brueckner's presence but seems intent on the 'proof' he thinks he has worked out that he couldn't have got from one of the various locations to kidnap Madeleine in what he thinks is a ninety second window.

I think it is more and more likely that everything is pointing towards this man being charged.

At some stage Wolters has to marry the coming together of his suspect and Madeleine,the 90 second opportunity allowing tannerman to be the abductor does not work.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 09:10:49 AM
Thanks Myster.
Thought provoking and quite distressing,
Kerry Needham summed it all up succinctly by giving a glimpse of her life and what the suffering of Madeleine's family must be at this time.
It is a 'discussion' for us, but it is their lives.
It strikes me that it would take a special sort of evil to privately reach out to the mother of a missing child as Kate did with Kerry, knowing full well the fate that befell your own child but pretending you shared the same not-knowing heartache.  Some people clearly must believe Kate is that kind of a psychopath, even though they refuse to admit they think this (for some strange reason). 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 14, 2020, 09:29:52 AM
At some stage Wolters has to marry the coming together of his suspect and Madeleine,the 90 second opportunity allowing tannerman to be the abductor does not work.
The only person claiming the Germans are talking about Tannerman appears to be you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 09:25:11 AM
60 Minutes played a clip showing the triangulated location of Brueckner's phone.  His lawyer has not gone with denial of Brueckner's presence but seems intent on the 'proof' he thinks he has worked out that he couldn't have got from one of the various locations to kidnap Madeleine in what he thinks is a ninety second window.

I think it is more and more likely that everything is pointing towards this man being charged.

I have gone through everything I can think of in my head and still cannot come up with anything definite.  But I am still sure that this had to be a targeted abduction.

No one would have broken into 5A at that time of night without first watching the occupants, so must have known that there were three sleeping children inside without a parent for at least half an hour at a time.

So I am still where I have always been.  I still don't know who.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2020, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 09:46:49 AM
I have gone through everything I can think of in my head and still cannot come up with anything definite.  But I am still sure that this had to be a targeted abduction.

No one would have broken into 5A at that time of night without first watching the occupants, so must have known that there were three sleeping children inside without a parent for at least half an hour at a time.

So I am still where I have always been. I still don't know who.

Isn't that the position we are all in ?
The internet abounds with theories and hunches, some wackier than others, but nobody really knows who dunnit or why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 09:58:00 AM
Isn't that the position we are all in ?
The internet abounds with theories and hunches, some wackier than others, but nobody really knows who dunnit or why.
Some people here seem pretty certain Madeleine died in the apartment and that the parents had a hand in it.  Dogs Don't Lie do they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 10:01:32 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 14, 2020, 09:29:52 AM
At some stage Wolters has to marry the coming together of his suspect and Madeleine,the 90 second opportunity allowing tannerman to be the abductor does not work.

I think he has already done that to his satisfaction and many many discussions regarding the man Jane tanner saw have shown precisely how he fits into the equation in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 14, 2020, 10:00:47 AM
Some people here seem pretty certain Madeleine died in the apartment and that the parents had a hand in it.  Dogs Don't Lie do they?

Dogs don't lie but humans bend the truth
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 10:16:03 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 14, 2020, 09:29:52 AM
At some stage Wolters has to marry the coming together of his suspect and Madeleine,the 90 second opportunity allowing tannerman to be the abductor does not work.
The 90 secs is FFs fantasy but you've taken it as fact .lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 09:58:00 AM
Isn't that the position we are all in ?
The internet abounds with theories and hunches, some wackier than others, but nobody really knows who dunnit or why.

We know HCW claims he has enough evidence to show CB killed MM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2020, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 14, 2020, 10:00:47 AM
Some people here seem pretty certain Madeleine died in the apartment and that the parents had a hand in it.  Dogs Don't Lie do they?

Some people here seem pretty certain that she was abducted and the parents had nothing to do with it. Parents don't lie, do they ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 10:26:23 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 10:24:56 AM
Some people here seem pretty certain that she was abducted and the parents had nothing to do with it.
That's because she was and they didn't.   8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 09:46:49 AM
I have gone through everything I can think of in my head and still cannot come up with anything definite.  But I am still sure that this had to be a targeted abduction.

No one would have broken into 5A at that time of night without first watching the occupants, so must have known that there were three sleeping children inside without a parent for at least half an hour at a time.

So I am still where I have always been.  I still don't know who.

At the moment we can only speculate on precisely who the perpetrator of this crime may be.  But it having taken from 2013 to 2020 to reach the stage we have today with the German prosecutor turning up a creature like Brueckner who I would say ticks all the requisite boxes, I think it possible he is a worthy suspect.

In my opinion he fits the profile.

Who knows though ~ there might be more than one ~ or two or a whole gang of them;  but it was Brueckner's phone which pinged just as did Silva's, Ribeiro's and Rodrigues's who were questioned in 2014.

They were questioned and cleared which might happen when eventually the Germans get round to questioning Brueckner; but I wouldn't bet on it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 10:29:05 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 09:58:00 AM
Isn't that the position we are all in ?
The internet abounds with theories and hunches, some wackier than others, but nobody really knows who dunnit or why.

I am certain that it was an abduction and that The McCanns are innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 10:29:05 AM
I am certain that it was an abduction and that The McCanns are innocent.

Agreed 100%.
We just don't know for sure if Brueckner is the perpetrator.  I'm waiting for due process to confirm it one way or the other in the realisation that will be no easy task.
Madeleine disappeared over thirteen years ago and the perpetrator/s have had every day since to cover their tracks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 10:39:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 10:29:05 AM
I am certain that it was an abduction and that The McCanns are innocent.

Being from a scientific background I'm 99.99999%  sure
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2020, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 10:29:05 AM
I am certain that it was an abduction and that The McCanns are innocent.


People can be as certain as they like, but they still don't know for sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 14, 2020, 10:47:24 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 14, 2020, 09:29:52 AM
At some stage Wolters has to marry the coming together of his suspect and Madeleine,the 90 second opportunity allowing tannerman to be the abductor does not work.

Yes. For CB to kill, he had to be in contact with his victim. That seems to be the difficult bit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 14, 2020, 10:47:24 AM
Yes. For CB to kill, he had to be in contact with his victim. That seems to be the difficult bit.
Not really for an experienced burglar, with a penchant for nicking things from holiday apartments, violence and little children. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 14, 2020, 10:47:24 AM
Yes. For CB to kill, he had to be in contact with his victim. That seems to be the difficult bit.

In your opinion...not in the opinion of SY and the Germans
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 10:59:44 AM
Imagine the McCanns had returned to the apartment that night and all they found missing was a camera and some cash.  Would people here claim it would have been virtually impossible for a burglar to have gained entry to the (unlocked) apartment whilst they were at dinner and made off with their valuables? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 10:59:54 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 10:35:28 AM
Agreed 100%.
We just don't know for sure if Brueckner is the perpetrator.  I'm waiting for due process to confirm it one way or the other in the realisation that will be no easy task.
Madeleine disappeared over thirteen years ago and the perpetrator/s have had every day since to cover their tracks.

Until we see the evidence that Wolters says he has, if we ever do, then it is going to be difficult for the likes of us to evaluate.

At this stage I am not even prepared to say that he is a likely candidate.

He is a vile person and deserves to be locked for longer than appears will happen at the moment.  But if he gets locked up for something he didn't do then the real perpetrator will still be out there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 10:45:33 AM

People can be as certain as they like, but they still don't know for sure.

See my post above
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 10:59:54 AM
Until we see the evidence that Wolters says he has, if we ever do, then it is going to be difficult for the likes of us to evaluate.

At this stage I am not even prepared to say that he is a likely candidate.

He is a vile person and deserves to be locked for longer than appears will happen at the moment.  But if he gets locked up for something he didn't do then the real perpetrator will still be out there.

I don't think HCW would be saying what he is if he isn't sure...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:04:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 09:10:15 AM
Of course it's Madeleine
I don't think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 11:07:13 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:04:53 AM
I don't think so.

I think you are mistaken...it would be a major conspiracy by the parents if it wasn't..I think you are way off the mark
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 11:08:46 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:04:53 AM
I don't think so.
Who do you think it is then?  Why are the McCanns allowing it?  What the hell is going on in your opinion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:16:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 11:07:13 AM
I think you are mistaken...it would be a major conspiracy by the parents if it wasn't..I think you are way off the mark
A lot of people including Goncalo Amaral do think it is a conspiracy of some sort.   But I have the evidence.  That film clip of that girl wasn't released to Sky News by the McCanns.  I think the wrong clip was handed in to Sky News and for some reason the parents are going along with the error.

What was of interest  today is that the lawyer for CB is appearing on McCann facebook groups. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 11:16:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 11:03:17 AM
I don't think HCW would be saying what he is if he isn't sure...

I don't know.  My opinion of Germans isn't good.  And I don't understand their Justice System.

Why is Germany prosecuting this when in the past we were categorically told that it had to be Portugal?

Jesus Christ, I have spent thirteen years trying to get my head around The Portuguese System and now I have to start all over again.

First of all will a Guilty Verdict be grounds for an Appeal.  And does Germany have a Jury System?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:04:53 AM
I don't think so.

It is Madeleine.  Just photos taken at different times and from different angles and at a different age.  Those of us that have been doing this for a very long time have seen them all before.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:22:51 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 14, 2020, 11:08:46 AM
Who do you think it is then?  Why are the McCanns allowing it?  What the hell is going on in your opinion?
I would love someone with a facial recognition program to either to confirm or deny my assertion.   I have done my best to take facial measurements and compare this girl to other photos of the genuine Madeleine McCann and there were significant differences noted by me. 



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 11:23:36 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:16:12 AM
A lot of people including Goncalo Amaral do think it is a conspiracy of some sort.   But I have the evidence.  That film clip of that girl wasn't released to Sky News by the McCanns.  I think the wrong clip was handed in to Sky News and for some reason the parents are going along with the error.

What was of interest  today is that the lawyer for CB is appearing on McCann facebook groups.

You think you have the evidence...like Amaral ...I'm 100% certain you dont
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2020, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 11:16:34 AM
I don't know.  My opinion of Germans isn't good.  And I don't understand their Justice System.

Why is Germany prosecuting this when in the past we were categorically told that it had to be Portugal?

Jesus Christ, I have spent thirteen years trying to get my head around The Portuguese System and now I have to start all over again.

First of all will a Guilty Verdict be grounds for an Appeal.  And does Germany have a Jury System?

I suppose you could ask the same about prosecuting him for rape.

Presumably the German justice system  permits this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 11:27:25 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:16:12 AM
A lot of people including Goncalo Amaral do think it is a conspiracy of some sort.   But I have the evidence.  That film clip of that girl wasn't released to Sky News by the McCanns.  I think the wrong clip was handed in to Sky News and for some reason the parents are going along with the error.

What was of interest  today is that the lawyer for CB is appearing on McCann facebook groups.
Oh dear!  Which ones?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 11:20:03 AM
It is Madeleine.  Just photos taken at different times and from different angles and at a different age.  Those of us that have been doing this for a very long time have seen them all before.
If there were no differences in the measurements maybe I'd believe you.   It just annoys me everytime a documentary about Madeleine McCann comes out there are these photos of this other girl. 

Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 11:23:36 AM
You think you have the evidence...like Amaral ...I'm 100% certain you dont
You tell me how Sky News got the footage of Madeleine McCann on the morning of the 4th May 2007 when the McCanns were in PdL Portugal?  It wasn't the McCanns who sent it to Sky News.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 14, 2020, 11:27:25 AM
Oh dear!  Which ones?
I'll PM you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 11:31:45 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 11:27:00 AM
I suppose you could ask the same about prosecuting him for rape.

Presumably the German justice system  permits this.

He was arrested and extradited from Italy at a time when Portugal didn't want to know.  It has since been Ruled as perfectly Legal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2020, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:29:48 AM
If there were no differences in the measurements maybe I'd believe you.   It just annoys me everytime a documentary about Madeleine McCann comes out there are these photos of this other girl. 
You tell me how Sky News got the footage of Madeleine McCann on the morning of the 4th May 2007 when the McCanns were in PdL Portugal? It wasn't the McCanns who sent it to Sky News.


I thought that was down to Corner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2020, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 11:31:45 AM
He was arrested and extradited from Italy at a time when Portugal didn't want to know.  It has since been Ruled as perfectly Legal.

I know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 11:35:13 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 11:31:45 AM
He was arrested and extradited from Italy at a time when Portugal didn't want to know.  It has since been Ruled as perfectly Legal.

Actually, this could be something to do with the fact that Portugal didn't want to know and weren't prepared to do anything about him.

He could still be wandering around Free if left to Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:36:26 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 14, 2020, 11:27:25 AM
Oh dear!  Which ones?
Is this the lawyer? https://www.facebook.com/groups/1054875151293440/user/100000268500881
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 11:33:30 AM
I know.

Jolly good for you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:36:26 AM
Is this the lawyer? https://www.facebook.com/groups/1054875151293440/user/100000268500881
yes, looks like a Dog fan.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 14, 2020, 11:46:40 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 14, 2020, 10:59:44 AM
Imagine the McCanns had returned to the apartment that night and all they found missing was a camera and some cash.  Would people here claim it would have been virtually impossible for a burglar to have gained entry to the (unlocked) apartment whilst they were at dinner and made off with their valuables?

If the McCanns had been witnessed stealing the goods themselves there'd still be people who believed they didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 12:11:05 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 14, 2020, 11:46:40 AM
If the McCanns had been witnessed stealing the goods themselves there'd still be people who believed they didn't.

The McCanns haven't been seen to do anything Illegal.  And your logic is seriously flawed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 14, 2020, 11:46:40 AM
If the McCanns had been witnessed stealing the goods themselves there'd still be people who believed they didn't.
what a completely idiotic thing to write, and in any case completely beside the point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 12:14:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 14, 2020, 12:11:59 PM
what a completely idiotic thing to write, and in any case completely beside the point.

There will always be one who has no idea of what is going on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:29:48 AM
If there were no differences in the measurements maybe I'd believe you.   It just annoys me everytime a documentary about Madeleine McCann comes out there are these photos of this other girl. 
You tell me how Sky News got the footage of Madeleine McCann on the morning of the 4th May 2007 when the McCanns were in PdL Portugal?  It wasn't the McCanns who sent it to Sky News.
Perhaps it was one of the family
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 12:30:59 PM
If FF is getting advice from Amaral then what does that show
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 12:30:59 PM
If FF is getting advice from Amaral then what does that show
He appears to be getting it on with a bunch of McCann sceptics on FB now too.  Not very professional IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 14, 2020, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 12:30:59 PM
If FF is getting advice from Amaral then what does that show

That GA was right all along.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 14, 2020, 12:34:03 PM
That GA was right all along.

It's a fact that GA didn't understand the evidence...so everything he claims is based on his ignorance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 14, 2020, 12:43:12 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 08:53:22 AM
"If innocence has a face then surely it is Madeleine McCann's"  But the face on the video is not Madeleine McCann IMO.   So many of the features is not the Madeleine I know.    Something is not right.
https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=10 - https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=16

.    Something is not right.

There has been something not right about this case from day one.IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 14, 2020, 12:44:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 12:42:32 PM
It's a fact that GA didn't understand the evidence...so everything he claims is based on his ignorance

IYO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 12:47:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 14, 2020, 12:44:34 PM
IYO

Not imo...its  a fact that amaral didnt understand the evidence. He thought it proved maddie died in 5a...it didnt. thats fact...not opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 11:36:26 AM
Is this the lawyer? https://www.facebook.com/groups/1054875151293440/user/100000268500881

it is and he says there are no UK lawyers
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 14, 2020, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 12:47:35 PM
Not imo...its  a fact that amaral didnt understand the evidence. He thought it proved maddie died in 5a...it didnt. thats fact...not opinion

Is that the evidence that was inconclusive.



no concrete answer
'Inconclusive' means that no concrete answer can be reached with the current samples, neither a 'yes' ('not excluded') or a 'no' ('excluded'). There are two common possibilities that can yield an inconclusive DNA result when testing for paternity: ... The samples collected did not yield enough DNA,




Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 14, 2020, 01:34:35 PM
Is that the evidence that was inconclusive.



no concrete answer
'Inconclusive' means that no concrete answer can be reached with the current samples, neither a 'yes' ('not excluded') or a 'no' ('excluded'). There are two common possibilities that can yield an inconclusive DNA result when testing for paternity: ... The samples collected did not yield enough DNA,


If it was inconclusive it doesnt prove anything...amaral thought it did...he was wrong it was not proof
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 02:32:22 PM

It has certainly crossed my mind that Brueckner's Lawyer is in touch with Amaral.  That won't do him any good at all.  In fact, it could even get his client convicted.  Or himself laughed out of Court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 14, 2020, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 01:51:06 PM

If it was inconclusive it doesnt prove anything...amaral thought it did...he was wrong it was not proof

Which suggest's that there's nowt to link CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2020, 03:10:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 02:32:22 PM
It has certainly crossed my mind that Brueckner's Lawyer is in touch with Amaral.  That won't do him any good at all.  In fact, it could even get his client convicted.  Or himself laughed out of Court.

Wishful thinking, I fancy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 03:10:39 PM
Wishful thinking, I fancy.

I don't care all that much.  Brueckner is locked up until at least 2024 which gives Wolter plenty of time to find anything there is to find, if anything.

If Brueckner is released after that then he is a marked man no matter where he runs to, which won't be far.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 14, 2020, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
I don't care all that much.  Brueckner is locked up until at least 2024 which gives Wolter plenty of time to find anything there is to find, if anything.

If Brueckner is released after that then he is a marked man no matter where he runs to, which won't be far.
So you're going t have him bumped off for not killing MM? Makes all the senses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: The General on October 14, 2020, 03:22:26 PM
So you're going t have him bumped off for not killing MM? Makes all the senses.

I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.  I would just inform The Gendarmes.  They don't like Paedophiles and Rapists on their patch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 03:29:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 14, 2020, 03:08:03 PM
Which suggest's that there's nowt to link CB.

According to HCW there is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 14, 2020, 03:30:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 03:29:13 PM
According to HCW there is
Forensically in the form of dna?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 03:32:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 14, 2020, 03:30:23 PM
Forensically in the form of dna?

Who knows....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 14, 2020, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 03:29:13 PM
According to HCW there is

Doesn't it make you wonder what HCW actually has when he doesnt need a body ...or to prove that CB was in 5a.

Is a confession to an inmate going to be the proof he needs lol?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 14, 2020, 03:33:42 PM
Doesn't it make you wonder what HCW actually has when he doesnt need a body ...or to prove that CB was in 5a.

Is a confession to an inmate going to be the proof he needs lol?

You are obviously not following things.He hasn't revealed the evidence so it cannot be the informants. He has intimated he may have evidence CB was in 5a.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 04:04:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 14, 2020, 03:30:23 PM
Forensically in the form of dna?

Could be photographs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 14, 2020, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 04:04:37 PM
Could be photographs.
I think that's part of it. But he can't actually be in them, as that would be a slam dunk conviction (just about).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: The General on October 14, 2020, 04:24:33 PM
I think that's part of it. But he can't actually be in them, as that would be a slam dunk conviction (just about).
.

If these supposed photographs are on his camera, buried under his dead dog then no one needs to see his face.  Unless he could prove that he lent the camera to someone else.

But he does appear to have a penchant for filming himself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2020, 04:37:35 PM
Were they on a camera? I thought it was a memory stick found with the dog, in which case it could be images downloaded from the internet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on October 14, 2020, 04:46:04 PM
Posters are again reminded to add IMO Infront of any stated opinion.

Admin
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 04:37:35 PM
Were they on a camera? I thought it was a memory stick found with the dog, in which case it could be images downloaded from the internet.

Thats  a fair point...but perhaps theres something that ties the image to CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 14, 2020, 04:57:21 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 04:31:43 PM
.

If these supposed photographs are on his camera, buried under his dead dog then no one needs to see his face.  Unless he could prove that he lent the camera to someone else.

But he does appear to have a penchant for filming himself.
Unfortunately being in possession is important, otherwise it's just another bit of circumstantial evidence. He wouldn't even need to explain anything if he's not in them and his dabs are not on any devices (including digital fingerprints pertaining to USB sticks, memory cards or external drives)
But there's photos alright, but not incriminating enough.
Having said that, if polizei are sat on photos / videos of MM, and are not making that available to the parents or OG, then, well.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 14, 2020, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 10:59:54 AM
Until we see the evidence that Wolters says he has, if we ever do, then it is going to be difficult for the likes of us to evaluate.

At this stage I am not even prepared to say that he is a likely candidate.

He is a vile person and deserves to be locked for longer than appears will happen at the moment.  But if he gets locked up for something he didn't do then the real perpetrator will still be out there.

Well reasoned post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 14, 2020, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 04:46:54 PM
Thats  a fair point...but perhaps theres something that ties the image to CB
The dog, man, the dog!
Not a dogman, the man's dog!
It's circumstantial, but it's a link.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
Quote from: The General on October 14, 2020, 04:57:21 PM
Unfortunately being in possession is important, otherwise it's just another bit of circumstantial evidence. He wouldn't even need to explain anything if he's not in them and his dabs are not on any devices (including digital fingerprints pertaining to USB sticks, memory cards or external drives)
But there's photos alright, but not incriminating enough.
Having said that, if polizei are sat on photos / videos of MM, and are not making that available to the parents or OG, then, well.....

im sure there are good reasons why they want to keep any info to themeselves....THe PJ obvioulsy leaked details of the suspect to amaral and therefore cannot be trusted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 05:07:35 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 14, 2020, 04:57:54 PM
Well reasoned post.

Thank You.  I do try.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 05:10:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
im sure there are good reasons why they want to keep any info to themeselves....THe PJ obvioulsy leaked details of the suspect to amaral and therefore cannot be trusted

Could they Ever have been trusted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 14, 2020, 05:13:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
im sure there are good reasons why they want to keep any info to themeselves....THe PJ obvioulsy leaked details of the suspect to amaral and therefore cannot be trusted
You have a point. They've done a decent job of keeping a lid on it and the circle of trust must be real small. Which is a real surprise actually, as the old East Germans leak like a Pomeranian string vest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: The General on October 14, 2020, 04:24:33 PM
I think that's part of it. But he can't actually be in them, as that would be a slam dunk conviction (just about).

I believe that Brueckner features in some of the photographic evidence which the German police unearthed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2020, 06:38:33 PM
He may well do, but do he & Madeleine feature together in any of them ? That would be the clincher.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 07:42:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 12:24:43 PM
Perhaps it was one of the family
Was John Corner one of the family?   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 07:44:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 12:42:32 PM
It's a fact that GA didn't understand the evidence...so everything he claims is based on his ignorance

That must be libelous.  Please desist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 07:46:02 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 07:44:04 PM
That must be libelous.  Please desist.

It is a fact that Amaral didn't understand the evidence.  This is not Libellous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 01:26:32 PM
it is and he says there are no UK lawyers
Well don't be so sure he hasn't joined this forum.   Here he could be hiding behind a nondeplume.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 07:50:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 14, 2020, 07:46:02 PM
It is a fact that Amaral didn't understand the evidence.  This is not Libellous.
Davel said "everything he claims is based on his ignorance" that is libel IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 07:50:51 PM
Davel said "everything he claims is based on his ignorance" that is libel IMO.

Ignorance means lack of knowledge Rob...that's it's true meaning..so it's not libellous
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 07:56:08 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 07:46:54 PM
Well don't be so sure he hasn't joined this forum.   Here he could be hiding behind a nondeplume.

It's non non...it's nom de plume
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 08:09:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 07:56:08 PM
It's non non...it's nom de plume

It could be but I waited for my spell checker to underline it and it accepted nondeplume. I don't know why it would accept it if it was wrong.  I was totally surprised myself.

Now it is suggesting non deplume.  I would be happy with non de plume.  You are RIGHT in this one case only it is originally "Nom de plume"  but Urban dictionary has it "non de plume".  Thanks
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 14, 2020, 08:19:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 06:38:33 PM
He may well do, but do he & Madeleine feature together in any of them ? That would be the clincher.

I mentioned earlier, Wolters has to marry up the coming together for his suspect to have murdered Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 08:30:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 14, 2020, 08:19:43 PM
I mentioned earlier, Wolters has to marry up the coming together for his suspect to have murdered Madeleine.

Where was CB on the night in question
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 14, 2020, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 08:30:14 PM
Where was CB on the night in question

Alleged abduction,still nothing confirmed only suspicions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 14, 2020, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 08:30:14 PM
Where was CB on the night in question

So a suspect only needs to be in the general area,still gotta marry up the coming together for the murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2020, 08:44:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 14, 2020, 08:36:43 PM
So a suspect only needs to be in the general area,still gotta marry up the coming together for the murder.

Have you been following the discussion...it's s thousand piece Jigsaw...one piece on its own is worth nothing...it's when they all fit together..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 09:01:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 14, 2020, 06:38:33 PM
He may well do, but do he & Madeleine feature together in any of them ? That would be the clincher.

The police have to keep quite a lot to themselves for decency's sake "Other images on the sticks included some of Brueckner partially naked or wearing stockings performing a solo sex act, as well as others the British press deemed "too graphic" to describe." https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-kept-kids-clothes-and-swimwear-in-his-mobile-home/SH5EBZQXMM5XYVW65HKRITC2M4/
But there seems to be no doubt as far as the German police are concerned that he does feature in Madeleine's case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2020, 10:19:10 PM
Oh dear oh dear

Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian B’s lawyer demands cops reveal ‘concrete evidence’ he killed her
Nick Pisa14 Oct 2020,
THE lawyer for Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B has called on prosecutors to ''show their cards'' to be ''fair'' to them and his client.

Friedrich Fulscher has demanded that German investigators share the "concrete evidence" they have that proves Madeleine is dead - something he claims they have refused to reveal.

Friedrich Fulscher said prosecutors should be fair to his client
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Friedrich Fulscher said prosecutors should be fair to his client
Convicted paedophile and rapist is the key suspect in the McCann case
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Convicted paedophile and rapist is the key suspect in the McCann case Credit: Bild
Speaking exclusively to The Sun Mr Fulscher said: ''It is no secret that the Portuguese have a different theory of what happened to the German BKA (federal police).

"The German prosecution could put an end to this theory when they finally put their cards on the table.

''This would be fair to the suspect and for the parents - both sides could judge for themselves how robust they consider the evidence to be.''

The convicted paedophile and rapist, 43, was identified by German prosecutors as the man responsible for Maddie's 2007 abduction, in June and they dramatically revealed they had ''concrete evidence'' she was dead but have so far refused to disclose any details or charge him.

In June detectives insisted they had "strong evidence" that the little girl was dead after uncovering a trove of pictures and videos allegedly buried by Christian B.

Speaking on news programme RTL, Mr Fulscher, said: ''At the moment I can only evaluate the Portuguese files.

"The German files have so far been withheld from me.

"On this basis, ie the Portuguese files, I have to state that there is a lot to be said for the argument that an accident took place in the apartment and after which Madeleine's body was hidden."

He added: "If you knew the Portuguese investigation file as I do, there was more than one perpetrator in Portugal at that time who had a corresponding [criminal] history.''

Yesterday Mr Fulscher claimed Christian B's mobile phone records 'prove his innocence'
Yesterday Mr Fulscher claimed Christian B's mobile phone records 'prove his innocence'
Discredited Portugese police chief Goncalo Amaral astonishingly  had parents Kate and Gerry arrested and made official suspects in 2008, after her disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve coast but the theory was thrown out.

Amaral was later dismissed but went on to write a shameless book further suggesting they were responsible and they have now taken him to the European Court over it and Mr Fulscher is known to have met him in Lisbon twice in recent weeks to discuss the case.

Yesterday Mr Fulscher claimed Christian B's mobile phone records "prove his innocence."

He claims he has looked at Christian's mobile records, and worked out potential times and distances to the holiday apartment the McCann family were staying at on the night the toddler disappeared.

The three-year-old was abducted between 9.10pm and 10pm on May 3, 2007.


He told the Mirror: “If the witness statements are correct, there was a time window of one minute and 30 seconds in which the child could have been abducted

“My client did not commit this crime
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 14, 2020, 11:09:55 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 14, 2020, 07:42:13 PM
Was John Corner one of the family?

No, but he seemed to be the custodian of the family photos. He was notified at 3am on 4th May and sprang into action. He sent out passwords which allowed access to photographs and video footage of Madeleine to the police, Interpol and broadcasting and newspaper news desks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 11:22:22 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 14, 2020, 11:09:55 PM
No, but he seemed to be the custodian of the family photos. He was notified at 3am on 4th May and sprang into action. He sent out passwords which allowed access to photographs and video footage of Madeleine to the police, Interpol and broadcasting and newspaper news desks.

What is your objection to publicising a missing child?  Don't you agree it is standard practice?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 12:55:43 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 14, 2020, 11:22:22 PM
What is your objection to publicising a missing child?  Don't you agree it is standard practice?

I don't recall saying I had any objections Brietta.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 12:55:43 AM
I don't recall saying I had any objections Brietta.

You didn’t.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 01:49:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 12:55:43 AM
I don't recall saying I had any objections Brietta.

You may not recall saying anything pejorative about publicising a missing child which is fine by me, Gunit.
But I do recall the distinct impression your words conveyed to me regarding Jon Corner and his professional approach to garnering publicity for Madeleine.

"No, but he seemed to be the custodian of the family photos.

He was notified at 3am on 4th May and sprang into action.

He sent out passwords which allowed access to photographs and video footage of Madeleine to the police, Interpol and broadcasting and newspaper news desks."


Perhaps you didn't mean them to appear 'snide' or indicate that you may not be a fan of the man or his aims and objectives to help Madeleine ... but whatever, his efforts were not unappreciated by Madeleine's mother.
Whose unrelenting efforts at publicising Madeleine's plight helped by experts like Jon are the catalyst which has led the German police directly to Brueckner's door.

Amaral said the Portuguese had knocked on it in 2007 but he wasn't in ~ when the Germans knocked on it and he wasn't in ~ they went to Italy and brought him home to face Justice.

Which is fitting as he is the prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction.



Jon Corner had produced a DVD of photographs and video images of Madeleine to the soundtrack of the Simple Minds song ‘Don’t You Forget About Me’.
________________________________________________________

That evening it was shown at the UEFA Cup final at Hampden Park in Glasgow, which happened to involve two Spanish teams, Sevilla and RCD Espanyol. With Spain so close and accessible from Luz, we were heartened that it would help to increase awareness there. The more people who knew Madeleine, the more eyes there would be out there looking for her and the greater our chances of finding her would be.

madeleine   Kate McCann
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 15, 2020, 07:32:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 14, 2020, 08:44:22 PM
Have you been following the discussion...it's s thousand piece Jigsaw...one piece on its own is worth nothing...it's when they all fit together..
Yeh, that's obviously not true. One piece could send all the plates crashing to the ground.
That piece exists, it's just that neither party in this case have it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 15, 2020, 07:54:44 AM
Quote from: The General on October 15, 2020, 07:32:48 AM
Yeh, that's obviously not true. One piece could send all the plates crashing to the ground.
That piece exists, it's just that neither party in this case have it.
*Mixed Metaphor Klaxon*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 15, 2020, 07:55:56 AM
Quote from: The General on October 15, 2020, 07:32:48 AM
Yeh, that's obviously not true. One piece could send all the plates crashing to the ground.
That piece exists, it's just that neither party in this case have it.

For several reasons I think HCW has enough evidence...he just want sto be sure and although others may not b einvoved in the Maddie case this could be part of a wider investigation involving others. HCW is in no rush...CB is locked up..

CB just needs one piece...an alibi...it seems he doesnt have one. The day after the whole of Luz wa sout looking for Maddie...what was CB doing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 08:43:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 15, 2020, 07:55:56 AM
For several reasons I think HCW has enough evidence...he just want sto be sure and although others may not b einvoved in the Maddie case this could be part of a wider investigation involving others. HCW is in no rush...CB is locked up..

CB just needs one piece...an alibi...it seems he doesnt have one. The day after the whole of Luz wa sout looking for Maddie...what was CB doing

I think Wolters has enough evidence to proceed against Brueckner in Madeleine's case.  When it suits I think he will proceed and use it as he sees fit.
But there is no great urgency to do so as Brueckner is going precisely nowhere for a few years yet.  And after all, if Brueckner is the perpetrator in Madeleine's case he has had over thirteen years to cover his tracks so surely the police are entitled to time to carry out a proper investigation to if necessary build their case against him.

I think it possible that there is a far wider operation in process than only Madeleine's case and there may be many more facets still being explored that we don't know about yet.

Which is why I wonder about Amaral's intervention.

Maybe he was right about Brueckner being a 'scapegoat' if there is indeed a wider picture of which he is an expendable part.

I don't know if it was lumbering stupidity or just his petty malice against Wolters who is showing Portugal and the world the failures of Amaral's botched regime but Amaral has definitely allowed warning bells to be rung loud and clear for any who might have an interest and didn't already know the scope of how intensively Brueckner was being investigated across the board.
They certainly do now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 01:49:59 AM
You may not recall saying anything pejorative about publicising a missing child which is fine by me, Gunit.
But I do recall the distinct impression your words conveyed to me regarding Jon Corner and his professional approach to garnering publicity for Madeleine.

"No, but he seemed to be the custodian of the family photos.

He was notified at 3am on 4th May and sprang into action.

He sent out passwords which allowed access to photographs and video footage of Madeleine to the police, Interpol and broadcasting and newspaper news desks."


Perhaps you didn't mean them to appear 'snide' or indicate that you may not be a fan of the man or his aims and objectives to help Madeleine ... but whatever, his efforts were not unappreciated by Madeleine's mother.
Whose unrelenting efforts at publicising Madeleine's plight helped by experts like Jon are the catalyst which has led the German police directly to Brueckner's door.

Amaral said the Portuguese had knocked on it in 2007 but he wasn't in ~ when the Germans knocked on it and he wasn't in ~ they went to Italy and brought him home to face Justice.

Which is fitting as he is the prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction.



Jon Corner had produced a DVD of photographs and video images of Madeleine to the soundtrack of the Simple Minds song ‘Don’t You Forget About Me’.
________________________________________________________

That evening it was shown at the UEFA Cup final at Hampden Park in Glasgow, which happened to involve two Spanish teams, Sevilla and RCD Espanyol. With Spain so close and accessible from Luz, we were heartened that it would help to increase awareness there. The more people who knew Madeleine, the more eyes there would be out there looking for her and the greater our chances of finding her would be.

madeleine   Kate McCann

Perhaps you should concentrate on what is actually said rather than trying to interpret hidden meanings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 15, 2020, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 15, 2020, 07:55:56 AM
For several reasons I think HCW has enough evidence...he just want sto be sure and although others may not b einvoved in the Maddie case this could be part of a wider investigation involving others. HCW is in no rush...CB is locked up..

CB just needs one piece...an alibi...it seems he doesnt have one. The day after the whole of Luz wa sout looking for Maddie...what was CB doing
What was Maria Dos Santos the retired solicitor doing? Or Raul Espanosa, the dairy farmer from Budens? Catarina de Suza de Nascimento - where were you? Paul Collins, retired author from Luz - come on Paul.

CB was allegedly re-registering his car, that's what you're alluding to. The criminal genius of this man is taking on epic proportions. The re-regsitering of this car was discovered by every man and his cat 8 - 13 years after the event, why? Because, as usual our apparent perpetrator continues to leave giant neon signs plotting his route across Europe and continued to do so in the intervening years. He never once tried to cover his tracks or go to ground, not once.
The re-registering of the car is apparently being viewed as a suspicious act. That concept is beyond naive, it's, what's the word, ludicrous. He could have disposed of that car in a multitude of ways; petrol bomb, roll in to a quarry, scrap yard, hide in one of his many apparent bolt holes or cavernous subterranean lairs. He does none of these things. In fact he apparently simply re-registers the vehicle in a legal manner. Yeh, genius, CB, genius.
What about using his own pre-paid phone card to apparently receive calls on the night within radius of phone masts, when in 2007 registration wasn't required to buy a pre-paid card? This man's criminal aptitude knows no bounds.
What about leasing an allotment (comprising secret underground dungeon) in his own name and then settling the outstanding balance and giving the requisite notice.

So to answer your original question, Davel, it would appear that he went about his business.
He didn't flee in the conventional manner. There was no panic. There was no deception of any kind.

Yes, we've done it to death, the man is a vile monster. Yes, we all get it and agree. Nobody is 'on his side' or 'supports paedos', or is a 'rape advocate'.

I hope he gets done in the nick, which is congruent with my stance on those bloody interfering women and waterboarding. I'm a cold-hearted, misogynist, sexist, barbaric, soulless ****bag.

I'm upping the ante. £48 per person here if he's charged. (Paypal accepted).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 15, 2020, 08:55:49 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 08:43:41 AM
I think Wolters has enough evidence to proceed against Brueckner in Madeleine's case.  When it suits I think he will proceed and use it as he sees fit.
But there is no great urgency to do so as Brueckner is going precisely nowhere for a few years yet.  And after all, if Brueckner is the perpetrator in Madeleine's case he has had over thirteen years to cover his tracks so surely the police are entitled to time to carry out a proper investigation to if necessary build their case against him.

I think it possible that there is a far wider operation in process than only Madeleine's case and there may be many more facets still being explored that we don't know about yet.

Which is why I wonder about Amaral's intervention.

Maybe he was right about Brueckner being a 'scapegoat' if there is indeed a wider picture of which he is an expendable part.

I don't know if it was lumbering stupidity or just his petty malice against Wolters who is showing Portugal and the world the failures of Amaral's botched regime but Amaral has definitely allowed warning bells to be rung loud and clear for any who might have an interest and didn't already know the scope of how intensively Brueckner was being investigated across the board.
They certainly do now.
....Billie Jean anyone? Do do...do do.....do do.....do do.......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 15, 2020, 08:56:32 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 08:43:41 AM
I think Wolters has enough evidence to proceed against Brueckner in Madeleine's case.  When it suits I think he will proceed and use it as he sees fit.
But there is no great urgency to do so as Brueckner is going precisely nowhere for a few years yet.  And after all, if Brueckner is the perpetrator in Madeleine's case he has had over thirteen years to cover his tracks so surely the police are entitled to time to carry out a proper investigation to if necessary build their case against him.

I think it possible that there is a far wider operation in process than only Madeleine's case and there may be many more facets still being explored that we don't know about yet.

Which is why I wonder about Amaral's intervention.

Maybe he was right about Brueckner being a 'scapegoat' if there is indeed a wider picture of which he is an expendable part.

I don't know if it was lumbering stupidity or just his petty malice against Wolters who is showing Portugal and the world the failures of Amaral's botched regime but Amaral has definitely allowed warning bells to be rung loud and clear for any who might have an interest and didn't already know the scope of how intensively Brueckner was being investigated across the board.
They certainly do now.

I agree that the German police are investigating a much wider operation into child abductions but there isn't a shred of evidence that Christian Brueckner had any involvement with Madeleine. Posters can claim this, that and the other about Brueckner but until proof is found that he was involved that situation remains.

The German prosecutor has made several claims in this case but has revealed nothing, not even to Madeleine's parents who continue to publicly state that it is their belief that she is still alive. The prosecutor says one thing and Madeleine's parents the opposite, could there be a worse scenario?

If there is proof that Madeleine is dead, her parents have a moral right to see it!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: The General on October 15, 2020, 08:54:40 AM
What was Maria Dos Santos the retired solicitor doing? Or Raul Espanosa, the dairy farmer from Budens? Catarina de Suza de Nascimento - where were you? Paul Collins, retired author from Luz - come on Paul.

CB was allegedly re-registering his car, that's what you're alluding to. The criminal genius of this man is taking on epic proportions. The re-regsitering of this car was discovered by every man and his cat 8 - 13 years after the event, why? Because, as usual our apparent perpetrator continues to leave giant neon signs plotting his route across Europe and continued to do so in the intervening years. He never once tried to cover his tracks or go to ground, not once.
The re-registering of the car is apparently being viewed as a suspicious act. That concept is beyond naive, it's, what's the word, ludicrous. He could have disposed of that car in a multitude of ways; petrol bomb, roll in to a quarry, scrap yard, hide in one of his many apparent bolt holes or cavernous subterranean lairs. He does none of these things. In fact he apparently simply re-registers the vehicle in a legal manner. Yeh, genius, CB, genius.
What about using his own pre-paid phone card to apparently receive calls on the night within radius of phone masts, when in 2007 registration wasn't required to buy a pre-paid card? This man's criminal aptitude knows no bounds.
What about leasing an allotment (comprising secret underground dungeon) in his own name and then settling the outstanding balance and giving the requisite notice.

So to answer your original question, Davel, it would appear that he went about his business.
He didn't flee in the conventional manner. There was no panic. There was no deception of any kind.

Yes, we've done it to death, the man is a vile monster. Yes, we all get it and agree. Nobody is 'on his side' or 'supports paedos', or is a 'rape advocate'.

I hope he gets done in the nick, which is congruent with my stance on those bloody interfering women and waterboarding. I'm a cold-hearted, misogynist, sexist, barbaric, soulless ****bag.

I'm upping the ante. £48 per person here if he's charged. (Paypal accepted).

Neither did he flee in 2013 when the German police allegedly wrote to him asking him to come in and answer questions about Madeleine McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 15, 2020, 09:35:20 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 09:19:49 AM
Neither did he flee in 2013 when the German police allegedly wrote to him asking him to come in and answer questions about Madeleine McCann.
Didn't abscond at all in the literal sense. He moved about, but that would have been a necessity given his proclivities and criminal behaviour.
Didn't change his name or appearance (apart from Photoshopping dreadlocks on to himself early on).
Didn't attempt to pass himself off as someone else as far as we know.
He's either 'Man in the Iron Mask' hard-faced, utterly imbecilic, or is someone with something in his back pocket.
Makes me wonder about the validity of these photographs / videos and the subsequent potential use.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 15, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
Quote from: The General on October 15, 2020, 08:54:40 AM
What was Maria Dos Santos the retired solicitor doing? Or Raul Espanosa, the dairy farmer from Budens? Catarina de Suza de Nascimento - where were you? Paul Collins, retired author from Luz - come on Paul.

CB was allegedly re-registering his car, that's what you're alluding to. The criminal genius of this man is taking on epic proportions. The re-regsitering of this car was discovered by every man and his cat 8 - 13 years after the event, why? Because, as usual our apparent perpetrator continues to leave giant neon signs plotting his route across Europe and continued to do so in the intervening years. He never once tried to cover his tracks or go to ground, not once.
The re-registering of the car is apparently being viewed as a suspicious act. That concept is beyond naive, it's, what's the word, ludicrous. He could have disposed of that car in a multitude of ways; petrol bomb, roll in to a quarry, scrap yard, hide in one of his many apparent bolt holes or cavernous subterranean lairs. He does none of these things. In fact he apparently simply re-registers the vehicle in a legal manner. Yeh, genius, CB, genius.
What about using his own pre-paid phone card to apparently receive calls on the night within radius of phone masts, when in 2007 registration wasn't required to buy a pre-paid card? This man's criminal aptitude knows no bounds.
What about leasing an allotment (comprising secret underground dungeon) in his own name and then settling the outstanding balance and giving the requisite notice.

So to answer your original question, Davel, it would appear that he went about his business.
He didn't flee in the conventional manner. There was no panic. There was no deception of any kind.

Yes, we've done it to death, the man is a vile monster. Yes, we all get it and agree. Nobody is 'on his side' or 'supports paedos', or is a 'rape advocate'.

I hope he gets done in the nick, which is congruent with my stance on those bloody interfering women and waterboarding. I'm a cold-hearted, misogynist, sexist, barbaric, soulless ****bag.

I'm upping the ante. £48 per person here if he's charged. (Paypal accepted).

its not what i was alluding to at all.so the rest of your post is irrelevant and opinion as fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 15, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: John on October 15, 2020, 08:56:32 AM
I agree that the German police are investigating a much wider operation into child abductions but there isn't a shred of evidence that Christian Brueckner had any involvement with Madeleine. Posters can claim this, that and the other about Brueckner but until proof is found that he was involved that situation remains.

The German prosecutor has made several claims in this case but has revealed nothing, not even to Madeleine's parents who continue to publicly state that it is their belief that she is still alive. The prosecutor says one thing and Madeleine's parents the opposite, could there be a worse scenario?

If there is proof that Madeleine is dead, her parents have a moral right to see it!

It isnt posters claiming the existence of evidence its the German Prosecutor...big difference.
Maddies parents dont state its there belief she is still alive.....they say they will not accept death without evidence. Im sure that in reality they accept she is almost certainly not alive.

Wolters wont jeapordise his investigation out of a moral duty towards the parents...and hes absolutely right to keep his evidence to himself if he thinks best.


I dont see that HCW would make such claims with nothing to support them therefore I think its reasonable to accept he does have evidence linking CB to MM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 09:19:49 AM
Neither did he flee in 2013 when the German police allegedly wrote to him asking him to come in and answer questions about Madeleine McCann.

Brueckner did not attend at the request of The Police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 15, 2020, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Brueckner did not attend at the request of The Police.

Didn't seem to be much effort in tracing him after.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Perhaps you should concentrate on what is actually said rather than trying to interpret hidden meanings.

That is precisely how I deal with each and every post but the topic isn't really you or me as interesting as it appear to be for you to argue the toss, it is about Brueckner, Germany's prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.

Since you post in great detail about Jon Corner you must surely have an opinion about his value in particular and the value of publicity in general in bringing individuals like Brueckner into the picture where they've actually been since the very beginning ~ just it seems nobody paid any attention to them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 11:05:27 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 10:52:05 AM
That is precisely how I deal with each and every post but the topic isn't really you or me as interesting as it appear to be for you to argue the toss, it is about Brueckner, Germany's prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.

Since you post in great detail about Jon Corner you must surely have an opinion about his value in particular and the value of publicity in general in bringing individuals like Brueckner into the picture where they've actually been since the very beginning ~ just it seems nobody paid any attention to them.

You seem to have forgotten that I'm 'arguing the toss' as you put it because imo you misinterpreted my post and accused me of objecting to publicising a missing child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 11:07:21 AM

I thought I read that Jon Corner was Madeleine's God Father.  Am I wrong about that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: John on October 15, 2020, 08:56:32 AM
I agree that the German police are investigating a much wider operation into child abductions but there isn't a shred of evidence that Christian Brueckner had any involvement with Madeleine. Posters can claim this, that and the other about Brueckner but until proof is found that he was involved that situation remains.

The German prosecutor has made several claims in this case but has revealed nothing, not even to Madeleine's parents who continue to publicly state that it is their belief that she is still alive. The prosecutor says one thing and Madeleine's parents the opposite, could there be a worse scenario?

If there is proof that Madeleine is dead, her parents have a moral right to see it!

Madeleine's parents are doing precisely what I think they should be doing at this juncture in Madeleine's case and that is maintaining a dignified silence while keeping their noses out of police business despite them having the biggest stake in all of this.

I think it must be of paramount importance for them to find out what happened to Madeleine and they have been acutely aware since the night of May 3 what her fate might have been in the hands of a psychopath like Brueckner whose reported chat on the dark web is chilling.

The Germans say they have evidence and have named Brueckner as the prime suspect in Madeleine's case as a result ... but a result of what.

The pen drives containing some of Brueckner's collection were discovered not when police were searching for evidence linking him to Madeleine but while investigating Inge's disappearance.

Whatever is going on is huge in my opinion and it neither starts or finishes with Brueckner.

You know that tired old mantra ... "💦why Madeleine McCann ~ what about all the other children?💦" I think perhaps we may be a little bit closer to getting an answer to that one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 11:32:35 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 11:07:21 AM
I thought I read that Jon Corner was Madeleine's God Father.  Am I wrong about that?

I think that is correct Eleanor and I have read that cuddlecat was a gift from him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 11:32:35 AM
I think that is correct Eleanor and I have read that cuddlecat was a gift from him.

Yes, I believe it was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 15, 2020, 01:35:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 14, 2020, 11:09:55 PM
No, but he seemed to be the custodian of the family photos. He was notified at 3am on 4th May and sprang into action. He sent out passwords which allowed access to photographs and video footage of Madeleine to the police, Interpol and broadcasting and newspaper news desks.
How did you know there were passwords involved?  I've never heard of that before.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 15, 2020, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 01:49:59 AM
You may not recall saying anything pejorative about publicising a missing child which is fine by me, Gunit.
But I do recall the distinct impression your words conveyed to me regarding Jon Corner and his professional approach to garnering publicity for Madeleine.

"No, but he seemed to be the custodian of the family photos.

He was notified at 3am on 4th May and sprang into action.

He sent out passwords which allowed access to photographs and video footage of Madeleine to the police, Interpol and broadcasting and newspaper news desks."


Perhaps you didn't mean them to appear 'snide' or indicate that you may not be a fan of the man or his aims and objectives to help Madeleine ... but whatever, his efforts were not unappreciated by Madeleine's mother.
Whose unrelenting efforts at publicising Madeleine's plight helped by experts like Jon are the catalyst which has led the German police directly to Brueckner's door.

Amaral said the Portuguese had knocked on it in 2007 but he wasn't in ~ when the Germans knocked on it and he wasn't in ~ they went to Italy and brought him home to face Justice.

Which is fitting as he is the prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction.



Jon Corner had produced a DVD of photographs and video images of Madeleine to the soundtrack of the Simple Minds song ‘Don’t You Forget About Me’.
________________________________________________________

That evening it was shown at the UEFA Cup final at Hampden Park in Glasgow, which happened to involve two Spanish teams, Sevilla and RCD Espanyol. With Spain so close and accessible from Luz, we were heartened that it would help to increase awareness there. The more people who knew Madeleine, the more eyes there would be out there looking for her and the greater our chances of finding her would be.

madeleine   Kate McCann

That was after she went missing.   Why did he have them prior?  If you make a collection some errors in cataloging can occur.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 15, 2020, 01:35:24 PM
How did you know there were passwords involved?  I've never heard of that before.

It's in Kate McCann's book. Jon Corner set up a file transfer protocol on 4th May which went on to be used by campaign helpers;

 Jon Corner had opened up the file transfer protocol he’d set up on 4 May to circulate Madeleine’s image to family, friends and other supporters. No, I didn’t know what one of those was, either: basically, it provided access via a password to a repository for photographs and other material, allowing people to share their resources. Helpers could post their material on a dedicated server via the FTP and use that supplied by others to create flyers, posters and
so on. The press already had the password, which gave them access to pictures and video footage. [madeleine]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 05:07:28 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 15, 2020, 01:39:34 PM
That was after she went missing.   Why did he have them prior?  If you make a collection some errors in cataloging can occur.

Of course it was after Madeleine went missing Rob, they wouldn't have been issuing an appeal for her otherwise.

And it was a huge well organised campaign for Madeleine in which many other friends and family played a huge part each to his or her own talents and in which Jon Corner played his part.

Remember the myth of the parents who were accused of not looking for their daughter?? what actually happened and their role in organising search tactics such as this give the lie to that.  Much as almost every other accusation made against them consisted of lies.

But why are we even discussing this?  It is a nonsense.  Brueckner is the theme of this thread, or he should be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 05:10:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 15, 2020, 02:13:14 PM
It's in Kate McCann's book. Jon Corner set up a file transfer protocol on 4th May which went on to be used by campaign helpers;

 Jon Corner had opened up the file transfer protocol he’d set up on 4 May to circulate Madeleine’s image to family, friends and other supporters. No, I didn’t know what one of those was, either: basically, it provided access via a password to a repository for photographs and other material, allowing people to share their resources. Helpers could post their material on a dedicated server via the FTP and use that supplied by others to create flyers, posters and
so on. The press already had the password, which gave them access to pictures and video footage. [madeleine]

Where does Bruekner figure in this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 15, 2020, 05:10:56 PM
Where does Bruekner figure in this?

Same place as this I guess.

‘I think that is correct Eleanor and I have read that cuddlecat was a gift from him.’
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on October 15, 2020, 05:20:15 PM
Quote from: The General on October 15, 2020, 08:54:40 AM
What was Maria Dos Santos the retired solicitor doing? Or Raul Espanosa, the dairy farmer from Budens? Catarina de Suza de Nascimento - where were you? Paul Collins, retired author from Luz - come on Paul.

CB was allegedly re-registering his car, that's what you're alluding to. The criminal genius of this man is taking on epic proportions. The re-regsitering of this car was discovered by every man and his cat 8 - 13 years after the event, why? Because, as usual our apparent perpetrator continues to leave giant neon signs plotting his route across Europe and continued to do so in the intervening years. He never once tried to cover his tracks or go to ground, not once.
The re-registering of the car is apparently being viewed as a suspicious act. That concept is beyond naive, it's, what's the word, ludicrous. He could have disposed of that car in a multitude of ways; petrol bomb, roll in to a quarry, scrap yard, hide in one of his many apparent bolt holes or cavernous subterranean lairs. He does none of these things. In fact he apparently simply re-registers the vehicle in a legal manner. Yeh, genius, CB, genius.
What about using his own pre-paid phone card to apparently receive calls on the night within radius of phone masts, when in 2007 registration wasn't required to buy a pre-paid card? This man's criminal aptitude knows no bounds.
What about leasing an allotment (comprising secret underground dungeon) in his own name and then settling the outstanding balance and giving the requisite notice.

So to answer your original question, Davel, it would appear that he went about his business.
He didn't flee in the conventional manner. There was no panic. There was no deception of any kind.

Yes, we've done it to death, the man is a vile monster. Yes, we all get it and agree. Nobody is 'on his side' or 'supports paedos', or is a 'rape advocate'.

I hope he gets done in the nick, which is congruent with my stance on those bloody interfering women and waterboarding. I'm a cold-hearted, misogynist, sexist, barbaric, soulless ****bag.

I'm upping the ante. £48 per person here if he's charged. (Paypal accepted).

CB was proud of that car by the sound of  it everyone knew he had that car, to get rid of it would have raised many questions IMO   Instead he registered it to someone else,  so as if the car was seen around the area when Madeleine disappeared   it wouldn't be his name on the records.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:33:16 PM
Quote from: Lace on October 15, 2020, 05:20:15 PM

CB was proud of that car by the sound of  it everyone knew he had that car, to get rid of it would have raised many questions IMO   Instead he registered it to someone else,  so as if the car was seen around the area when Madeleine disappeared   it wouldn't be his name on the records.

People get rid of cars all the time. Why would have raised questions ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:15:21 PM
Same place as this I guess.

‘I think that is correct Eleanor and I have read that cuddlecat was a gift from him.’

So Jon Corner was Madeleine's God Father.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:37:48 PM
Quote from: Lace on October 15, 2020, 05:20:15 PM

CB was proud of that car by the sound of  it everyone knew he had that car, to get rid of it would have raised many questions IMO   Instead he registered it to someone else,  so as if the car was seen around the area when Madeleine disappeared   it wouldn't be his name on the records.

Precisely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:36:31 PM
So Jon Corner was Madeleine's God Father.

But it’s nothing to do with the thread topic, that was the point. Do not pull someone up about going off topic if you are doing the same yourself...common sense really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:33:16 PM
People get rid of cars all the time. Why would have raised questions ?

He didn't get rid of it.  He changed the name on the Registration.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:40:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
But it’s nothing to do with the thread topic, that was the point. Do not pull someone up about going off topic if you are doing the same yourself...common sense really.

I never complain about Off Topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 15, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:39:07 PM
He didn't get rid of it.  He changed the name on the Registration.
I wonder if he didn’t want to trigger NPR on a long journey and that was the reason why...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:53:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 15, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
I wonder if he didn’t want to trigger NPR on a long journey and that was the reason why...

He must have had some fear of the car being in his name.  Probably panic after the event in case the car had been seen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:39:07 PM
He didn't get rid of it.  He changed the name on the Registration.

Read back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:55:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:40:45 PM
I never complain about Off Topic.

My post wasn’t about you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:56:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:53:38 PM
He must have had some fear of the car being in his name.  Probably panic after the event in case the car had been seen.

What name did he put the into ? His girlfriend perhaps ? Now that wouldn’t be quite as suspicious would it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:58:02 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:55:01 PM
My post wasn’t about you.

Who is "You" then.  Gunit perhaps?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 05:58:02 PM
Who is "You" then.  Gunit perhaps?

Of course not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 15, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:56:57 PM
What name did he put the into ? His girlfriend perhaps ? Now that wouldn’t be quite as suspicious would it ?

Exactly,and the new registered owner never came forward to say CB wanted to offload cause he'd half inched a girl.Now if it was set alight to hide dna,that'd be suspicious.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2020, 06:02:38 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
Of course not.

So who else complains about Off Topic?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 15, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 15, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
Exactly,and the new registered owner never came forward to say CB wanted to offload cause he'd half inched a girl.Now if it was set alight to hide dna,that'd be suspicious.
You mean like Malinka’s car was?  Was the car registered in his girlfriend’s name?  First I’ve heard of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 15, 2020, 06:56:25 PM
 
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:33:16 PM
People get rid of cars all the time. Why would have raised questions ?
Try to conceptualise i.e seeing the whole picture.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 15, 2020, 07:06:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 15, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
Exactly,and the new registered owner never came forward to say CB wanted to offload cause he'd half inched a girl.Now if it was set alight to hide dna,that'd be suspicious.
The new registered owner is actually on record. Cite to follow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 07:07:10 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 15, 2020, 06:56:25 PM
(&^&Try to conceptualise i.e seeing the whole picture.

We have no picture, just a couple of pieces of a well-thumbed jigsaw that may or may not go together.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 15, 2020, 07:13:41 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 15, 2020, 07:06:05 PM
The new registered owner is actually on record. Cite to follow.
Alexander Bischoff. How Madeleine suspect slept in my attic | Daily Mail Online
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 15, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 07:07:10 PM
We have no picture, just a couple of pieces of a well-thumbed jigsaw that may or may not go together.
That is exactly the case. We simply don’t know what Wolters has on Brückner. So, it is possible that Wolters is about to complete the jigsaw. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 15, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
That is exactly the case. We simply don’t know what Wolters has on Brückner. So, it is possible that Wolters is about to complete the jigsaw. My opinion.

Or that he has absolutely nothing....which, after 4 months seems just as likely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 08:03:03 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 15, 2020, 07:13:41 PM
Alexander Bischoff. How Madeleine suspect slept in my attic | Daily Mail Online

‘Take on the registration’ means ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 15, 2020, 08:57:48 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 08:03:03 PM
‘Take on the registration’ means ?

Can you think of any reason why he would want to hide his ownership of the car
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 15, 2020, 09:00:19 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 08:03:03 PM
‘Take on the registration’ means ?
Best you famaliarise yourself with the latest developments.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 15, 2020, 09:00:19 PM
Best you famaliarise yourself with the latest developments.

I am quite familiar with the latest gossip, to call them ‘developments’ are a little too definitive at this stage. Did Brueckner retain ownership of the jaguar ? It seems rather odd that someone would register the car of a virtual stranger in their own name without either an explanation, none seems to have been provided, or ownership of the car.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 15, 2020, 11:05:59 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 11:01:56 PM
I am quite familiar with the latest gossip, to call them ‘developments’ are a little too definitive at this stage. Did Brueckner retain ownership of the jaguar ? It seems rather odd that someone would register the car of a virtual stranger in their own name without either an explanation, none seems to have been provided, or ownership of the car.
yes it’s very fishy indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 07:12:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 15, 2020, 11:05:59 PM
yes it’s very fishy indeed.

I suspect that Brueckner, on reflection thought his Jaguar might have been seen in Praia da Luz that evening, so panicked and changed the registration details to prevent immediate connection to him.

Now this is fishy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 07:25:18 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2020, 05:15:21 PM
Same place as this I guess.

‘I think that is correct Eleanor and I have read that cuddlecat was a gift from him.’
CB may have a Cuddle Cat too.  He could dangle it from the rear vision mirror of his beloved van.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 07:34:26 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 07:25:18 AM
CB may have a Cuddle Cat too.  He could dangle it from the rear vision mirror of his beloved van.

According to Amaral he had it painted on the side.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 07:43:19 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 07:34:26 AM
According to Amaral he had it painted on the side.
Wow, that would be an amazing coincidence if that is true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 07:49:16 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 07:43:19 AM
Wow, that would be an amazing coincidence if that is true.

I don't think it is true.  Just another of Amaral's wild theories to make Brueckner a Scapegoat and The McCanns complicit.

If Brueckner dunnit then Amaral is toast forever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 07:56:57 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 07:49:16 AM
I don't think it is true.  Just another of Amaral's wild theories to make Brueckner a Scapegoat and The McCanns complicit.

If Brueckner dunnit then Amaral is toast forever.

It won't look too good for Grime either
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 08:26:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 07:56:57 AM
It won't look too good for Grime either
This ought to be a dog/Grime free thread please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 16, 2020, 08:41:03 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 07:49:16 AM
I don't think it is true.  Just another of Amaral's wild theories to make Brueckner a Scapegoat and The McCanns complicit.

If Brueckner dunnit then Amaral is toast forever.

IF CB didn't then what? Bonus must be mounting you slipped him in again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 16, 2020, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 08:26:53 AM
This ought to be a dog/Grime free thread please.
There's a few here who are clearly intimidated by his expertise.
It may go back to childhood, perhaps a distrust of dogs as a result of a bite.

I was bitten by a silent assassin of a Rough Collie whilst on my paper round (not too long ago actually). This was the most beautiful looking dog and approached me showing no outward signs of aggression whatsoever. It sidled up close to me, so I put my hand out to stroke the glossy coat of the magnificent beast, only to be met with a surprise attack. It clamped its long, pointy snout on to my fingers and half a Pink Echo. I recoiled and booted it clean in its lower jaw; its distinctive protruding mandible became its undoing. He legged it one way, I in the polar opposite, never for either of us to speak of the incident again. Until today (me, not the dog).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 08:45:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 07:56:57 AM
It won't look too good for Grime either

My thoughts on Grime are unprintable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 09:03:41 AM
Quote from: The General on October 16, 2020, 08:44:13 AM
There's a few here who are clearly intimidated by his expertise.
It may go back to childhood, perhaps a distrust of dogs as a result of a bite.

I was bitten by a silent assassin of a Rough Collie whilst on my paper round (not too long ago actually). This was the most beautiful looking dog and approached me showing no outward signs of aggression whatsoever. It sidled up close to me, so I put my hand out to stroke the glossy coat of the magnificent beast, only to be met with a surprise attack. It clamped its long, pointy snout on to my fingers and half a Pink Echo. I recoiled and booted it clean in its lower jaw; its distinctive protruding mandible became its undoing. He legged it one way, I in the polar opposite, never for either of us to speak of the incident again. Until today (me, not the dog).

My answer would be what expertise.. perhaps a new thread is needed if you wish to defend him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 16, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 16, 2020, 10:58:28 AM


What is the correct thread  for bile and spite towards the McCann family.  In my experience EVERY SINGLE ONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

At the moment it just seems there are those who cannot reconcile to the fact that "scapegoat" Brueckner has appeared as another 'player' and appear to have adopted him to be sheltered under their wing in preference to accepting the truth.
The truth has been apparent to all with an eye to see it for over thirteen years.  What a pity the Judicial police didn't use their eye or even their nose to the ground to check out Brueckner.  He was there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 16, 2020, 12:35:10 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 16, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
What is the correct thread  for bile and spite towards the McCann family.  In my experience EVERY SINGLE ONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

At the moment it just seems there are those who cannot reconcile to the fact that "scapegoat" Brueckner has appeared as another 'player' and appear to have adopted him to be sheltered under their wing in preference to accepting the truth.
The truth has been apparent to all with an eye to see it for over thirteen years.  What a pity the Judicial police didn't use their eye or even their nose to the ground to check out Brueckner.  He was there.

and appear to have adopted him to be sheltered under their wing in preference to accepting the truth.

You dont know what the truth is - you only think you do. ...its as simple as that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 16, 2020, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 07:12:20 AM
I suspect that Brueckner, on reflection thought his Jaguar might have been seen in Praia da Luz that evening, so panicked and changed the registration details to prevent immediate connection to him.

Now this is fishy.

Brueckner lived near PDL and was often in the village. Seeing his car there would have been suspicious how ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 16, 2020, 12:52:25 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 16, 2020, 12:49:00 PM
Brueckner lived near PDL and was often in the village. Seeing his car there would have been suspicious how ?

C'mon it all adds up,suspect used a car,used a phone, lived nearby, whats not to be suspicious.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 16, 2020, 12:49:00 PM
Brueckner lived near PDL and was often in the village. Seeing his car there would have been suspicious how ?

Don't you need an address to be the registered keeper of a vehicle? Afaik Brueckner was living in a camper van on 3rd May so it could simply have been that an address was needed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 12:58:37 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 16, 2020, 12:49:00 PM
Brueckner lived near PDL and was often in the village. Seeing his car there would have been suspicious how ?

Only he would have known that at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 01:00:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 12:55:06 PM
Don't you need an address to be the registered keeper of a vehicle? Afaik Brueckner was living in a camper van on 3rd May so it could simply have been that an address was needed.

For how long had he been living in a camper van with the car registered in his name?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 16, 2020, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 16, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
What is the correct thread  for bile and spite towards the McCann family.  In my experience EVERY SINGLE ONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

At the moment it just seems there are those who cannot reconcile to the fact that "scapegoat" Brueckner has appeared as another 'player' and appear to have adopted him to be sheltered under their wing in preference to accepting the truth.
The truth has been apparent to all with an eye to see it for over thirteen years.  What a pity the Judicial police didn't use their eye or even their nose to the ground to check out Brueckner. He was there.

But so were so many others.

I will never understand how any would-be abductor could have planned to lift a three-year-old child from her bedroom right beside a main thoroughfare with guests wandering up and down the street constantly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: John on October 16, 2020, 01:03:41 PM
But so were so many others.

I will never understand how any would-be abductor could have planned to lift a three-year-old child from her bedroom right beside a main thoroughfare with guests wandering up and down the street constantly.
you may well soon find out... remember the child abducted from her bath whilst the mother was in another room
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 16, 2020, 01:07:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 01:05:03 PM
you may well soon find out... remember the child abducted from her bath whilst the mother was in another room

Abduction is not problematic in many situations but from an apartment right beside a busy road is doubtful. If it did happen he was extremely brazen, cunning and lucky.

The whole Brueckner debacle is looking more and more as an attempt to reflect attention from others.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 01:18:13 PM
Quote from: John on October 16, 2020, 01:07:46 PM
Abduction is not problematic in many situations but from an apartment right beside a busy road is doubtful. If it did happen he was extremely brazen, cunning and lucky.

The whole Brueckner debacle is looking more and more as an attempt to reflect attention from others.

I see him as a very serious and probable suspect...we will see. HCW certainly seems to think so and he has access to all the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: John on October 16, 2020, 01:07:46 PM
Abduction is not problematic in many situations but from an apartment right beside a busy road is doubtful. If it did happen he was extremely brazen, cunning and lucky.

The whole Brueckner debacle is looking more and more as an attempt to reflect attention from others.

Why would The Germans want to do that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 16, 2020, 01:39:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 01:18:13 PM
I see him as a very serious and probable suspect...we will see. HCW certainly seems to think so and he has access to all the evidence

That's the problem tho...what evidence?  The fact that he can't even be straight with the child's parents say much in my book.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 16, 2020, 01:41:15 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 01:22:55 PM
Why would The Germans want to do that?

The police work in mysterious ways Eli.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 01:45:50 PM
Quote from: John on October 16, 2020, 01:41:15 PM
The police work in mysterious ways Eli.

So who do you think The Germans are after?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 16, 2020, 01:54:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 01:45:50 PM
So who do you think The Germans are after?

I really have no idea Eli.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 01:56:31 PM
Quote from: John on October 16, 2020, 01:39:49 PM
That's the problem tho...what evidence?  The fact that he can't even be straight with the child's parents say much in my book.

The concrete evidence that CB killed MM..there are reasons why they don't want to divulge everything at this stage
Amaral blabbed to the world that they were looking at a German paedophile...they must feel they can't trust anyone
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 01:56:31 PM
The concrete evidence that CB killed MM..there are reasons why they don't want to divulge everything at this stage
Amaral blabbed to the world that they were looking at a German paedophile...they must feel they can't trust anyone

Why lie about writing to the McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 02:03:04 PM
Quote from: John on October 16, 2020, 01:54:12 PM
I really have no idea Eli.

Anything on the lines of Sadie's Theory, I wonder?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 02:02:32 PM
Why lie about writing to the McCanns?

They didn't lie..are you not aware what happened
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 16, 2020, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 02:02:32 PM
Why lie about writing to the McCanns?
isn't accusing people of lying without any evidence to back up your claim LIBEL?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 02:16:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 16, 2020, 02:11:08 PM
isn't accusing people of lying without any evidence to back up your claim LIBEL?

Of course it is.  ..but as I've said it seems quite acceptable to libel anyone who supports abduction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 02:16:57 PM
Of course it is.  ..but as I've said it seems quite acceptable to libel anyone who supports abduction

And The McCanns, of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 16, 2020, 02:51:28 PM
Quote from: John on October 16, 2020, 01:03:41 PM
But so were so many others.

I will never understand how any would-be abductor could have planned to lift a three-year-old child from her bedroom right beside a main thoroughfare with guests wandering up and down the street constantly.

Of the people we know to have been on the street that night not one is on record as having seen anyone else with the exception of Gerry and Jes whose meeting is corroborated by Jane.

Mrs Murat saw an unidentified woman dressed in purple but the Carpenters ~ Mr and Mrs Moyes ~ Dr Totman are not on record as seeing anyone.

Brueckner allegedly made a good living from burglary.  I don't think anyone ever caught sight of him doing that.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 05:53:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 02:16:57 PM
Of course it is.  ..but as I've said it seems quite acceptable to libel anyone who supports abduction

It was the McCanns who revealed that they received no letter from the German authorities after Wolters claimed one had been sent. If he wasn't lying then someone lied to him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 05:53:08 PM
It was the McCanns who revealed that they received no letter from the German authorities after Wolters claimed one had been sent. If he wasn't lying then someone lied to him.

He didn't send any letter directly to The McCanns and never said he did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 05:53:08 PM
It was the McCanns who revealed that they received no letter from the German authorities after Wolters claimed one had been sent. If he wasn't lying then someone lied to him.

So you now admit you dont know he was lying yet you ahve accused him of lying...do you realise thats libel and against forum rules. Do you not realise that if a letter is sent and not received it does not mean someone is lying.

it really is simple and im surprised you dont understand...sending a letter does not guarantee delivery
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 06:05:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
He didn't send any letter directly to The McCanns and never said he did.

The parents are yet to respond to the letter, says Hans Christian Wolters

'We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine and this means she is dead. The parents have been told the German police have evidence that she is dead but we have not told them the details.'

He said that Kate and Gerry McCann, whose three-year-old daughter vanished on an Algarve holiday in 2007, had not responded to the letter.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 06:05:39 PM
The parents are yet to respond to the letter, says Hans Christian Wolters

'We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine and this means she is dead. The parents have been told the German police have evidence that she is dead but we have not told them the details.'

He said that Kate and Gerry McCann, whose three-year-old daughter vanished on an Algarve holiday in 2007, had not responded to the letter.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

Can you not grasp  that does not prove he was lying..are you relying on  a daily mail article as proof
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 06:09:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 06:08:33 PM
Can you not grasp  that does not prove he was lying..

Nope.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 06:08:33 PM
Can you not grasp  that does not prove he was lying..are you relying on  a daily mail article as proof

I'm relying on his words as reported in the article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 16, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
I'm relying on his words as reported in the article.
Your logic is flawed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 06:20:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
I'm relying on his words as reported in the article.

read the article...read the later expalnation and you will see there are no lies
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 06:34:27 PM
There is a direct quote from Wolters which shows just how smart an operator he is and how careful he needs to be. It actually looks from this that the crucial evidence will not be reased until the trial....and I can see exactly why...



'There is no forensic evidence. But there is concrete evidence that Maddie is dead. Our investigation has no doubts about this.

'Of course it would be easier for us if we could share our findings instead of always having to say, "We have something, but can't say what it is.''

'At the same time, there is a danger that witnesses could mix memories and reporting.'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 07:20:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 06:05:39 PM
The parents are yet to respond to the letter, says Hans Christian Wolters

'We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine and this means she is dead. The parents have been told the German police have evidence that she is dead but we have not told them the details.'

He said that Kate and Gerry McCann, whose three-year-old daughter vanished on an Algarve holiday in 2007, had not responded to the letter.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

Could that be construed as a "no comment" answer?  I've heard Kate is quite good at those.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 07:20:50 PM
Could that be construed as a "no comment" answer?  I've heard Kate is quite good at those.

Anyone who has followed the case would undersatnd what happened....good job kate wasnt forced to answer her questions with a beating...Ive heard the PJ are quite good at those...with amaral prepared to turn a blind eye
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 07:44:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
Anyone who has followed the case would undersatnd what happened....good job kate wasnt forced to answer her questions with a beating...Ive heard the PJ are quite good at those...with amaral prepared to turn a blind eye
And the judges impossing bigger sentences if one dares to complain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 07:49:32 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 07:44:36 PM
And the judges impossing bigger sentences if one dares to complain.

yes... the important point is taht amamral who is central to this case was prepared to try and cover up the torture of  a suspect...how can he be trusted to support justice when he supports criminality
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 07:58:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 07:49:32 PM
yes... the important point is taht amamral who is central to this case was prepared to try and cover up the torture of  a suspect...how can he be trusted to support justice when he supports criminality
What about calling it "the Wild West" rather than "criminality"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 07:58:52 PM
What about calling it "the Wild West" rather than "criminality"?
No.. torture of suspects is criminality.
I certainly wouldn't want to see CB beaten and forced to confess...yet sceptic posters here have supported that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 16, 2020, 08:35:20 PM
Caveat brit press.

DO OR DIE Madeleine McCann cops need massive breakthrough in next 10 weeks or case against suspect Christian B could ‘evaporate’

Although German cops remain certain he is involved, they are now privately admitting the investigation is at a “make or break stage”, The Sun Online has learnt.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12949657/madeleine-mccann-cops-need-massive-breakthrough-suspect/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 16, 2020, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 16, 2020, 08:35:20 PM
Caveat brit press.

DO OR DIE Madeleine McCann cops need massive breakthrough in next 10 weeks or case against suspect Christian B could ‘evaporate’

Although German cops remain certain he is involved, they are now privately admitting the investigation is at a “make or break stage”, The Sun Online has learnt.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12949657/madeleine-mccann-cops-need-massive-breakthrough-suspect/
If it's in the Sun ..it must be true...have you learnt nothing. CBs lawyer said on FB...there are no UK lawyers involved...but you lot just believe any old rubbish that suits you..lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 16, 2020, 09:40:25 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 16, 2020, 02:51:28 PM
Of the people we know to have been on the street that night not one is on record as having seen anyone else with the exception of Gerry and Jes whose meeting is corroborated by Jane.

Mrs Murat saw an unidentified woman dressed in purple but the Carpenters ~ Mr and Mrs Moyes ~ Dr Totman are not on record as seeing anyone.

Brueckner allegedly made a good living from burglary.  I don't think anyone ever caught sight of him doing that.

Jez saw the woman in purple - Jane Tanner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 10:16:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 16, 2020, 08:53:26 PM
If it's in the Sun ..it must be true...have you learnt nothing. CBs lawyer said on FB...there are no UK lawyers involved...but you lot just believe any old rubbish that suits you..lol
By saying "you lot"  you are making your post "ad hom".   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 16, 2020, 10:17:42 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 10:14:19 PM
G-unit is asking a question.

The implication is quite clear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 10:18:17 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 16, 2020, 09:40:25 PM
Jez saw the woman in purple - Jane Tanner.
Is every woman wearing purple that night automatically named "Jane Tanner"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 16, 2020, 10:23:08 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 16, 2020, 09:40:25 PM
Jez saw the woman in purple - Jane Tanner.
How sure are you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 16, 2020, 10:53:27 PM
The woman in purple was observed by Jez and Mrs Murat. Both said slender with long black hair. That does not fit the description of Jane Tanner. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 16, 2020, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 16, 2020, 10:53:27 PM
The woman in purple was observed by Jez and Mrs Murat. Both said slender with long black hair. That does not fit the description of Jane Tanner. My opinion.

Slender?

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 17, 2020, 12:22:58 AM
Quote from: Anthro on October 16, 2020, 10:53:27 PM
The woman in purple was observed by Jez and Mrs Murat. Both said slender with long black hair. That does not fit the description of Jane Tanner. My opinion.

Both said ' slender with long black hair '

Now that sounds like Christian B's girlfriend, NF.   Some reports say that NF helped CB with his breakins


But I guess that quite a few people would fit that description?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 17, 2020, 01:02:51 AM
Quote from: sadie on October 17, 2020, 12:22:58 AM
Both said ' slender with long black hair '

Now that sounds like Christian B's girlfriend, NF.   Some reports say that NF helped CB with his breakins


But I guess that quite a few people would fit that description?

There are two eye witnesses who might be able to have an opinion on that Sadie although the passage of the years might legislate against that.

I agree the photographs I have seen of her fit the description but she could have changed quite dramatically over the past thirteen+ years.  For example back in 2007 she could have had short hair and been plump.

The Germans have her down as a witness not a suspect although I think it unlikely she would incriminate herself to any extent by confirming she was the woman in purple.

But it is interesting such a person was seen hanging around by two different people and in two different locations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 17, 2020, 01:08:07 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 17, 2020, 01:02:51 AM
There are two eye witnesses who might be able to have an opinion on that Sadie although the passage of the years might legislate against that.

I agree the photographs I have seen of her fit the description but she could have changed quite dramatically over the past thirteen+ years.  For example back in 2007 she could have had short hair and been plump.

The Germans have her down as a witness not a suspect although I think it unlikely she would incriminate herself to any extent by confirming she was the woman in purple.

But it is interesting such a person was seen hanging around by two different people and in two different locations.

And one identified her as Tanner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 17, 2020, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 16, 2020, 10:18:17 PM
Is every woman wearing purple that night automatically named "Jane Tanner"?

What idiot abductor would be outside staring at an apartment when all the family were inside and right in view of Murat and anybody else. Wake up! All the evidence leads to Tanner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 17, 2020, 06:08:29 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 17, 2020, 12:16:56 PM
What idiot abductor would be outside staring at an apartment when all the family were inside and right in view of Murat and anybody else. Wake up! All the evidence leads to Tanner.

Slim and black hair?   Sounds more like NF, but we certainly don't know that

Was the lady in purple wearing her husbands parka/thermal jacket?  Cos Jane was cold and Rob lent it to her.   

IIRC Rob is 6' 6" tall


I bet she cut a lovely slim figure in that.    (&^&


No, I am not wasting my limited life providing a cite.   It's there somewhere and you must have read it before
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 17, 2020, 09:04:09 PM
Quote from: sadie on October 17, 2020, 06:08:29 PM
Slim and black hair?   Sounds more like NF, but we certainly don't know that

Was the lady in purple wearing her husbands parka/thermal jacket?  Cos Jane was cold and Rob lent it to her.   

IIRC Rob is 6' 6" tall


I bet she cut a lovely slim figure in that.    (&^&


No, I am not wasting my limited life providing a cite.   It's there somewhere and you must have read it before

Jane was wearing one of Rob's fleeces at 9:15 when she went to check her children. That doesn't mean she was wearing it all the time. The fact that he had no jumper on suggests that she took it from him at the restaurant.

On the evening I was wearing brown jeans/cord style trousers, a pale blue stripe top, and Jane had taken my jumper which was blue.  The nights were quite chilly which is why Jane had my jumper I am quite use to the cold.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on October 17, 2020, 09:22:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 17, 2020, 09:04:09 PM
Jane was wearing one of Rob's fleeces at 9:15 when she went to check her children. That doesn't mean she was wearing it all the time. The fact that he had no jumper on suggests that she took it from him at the restaurant.

On the evening I was wearing brown jeans/cord style trousers, a pale blue stripe top, and Jane had taken my jumper which was blue.  The nights were quite chilly which is why Jane had my jumper I am quite use to the cold.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

And.....
Sometimes it seems you cannot leave behind that which is not of any further interest or relevance in any current police investigations
Or do you believe this is?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 17, 2020, 09:45:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 17, 2020, 09:04:09 PM
Jane was wearing one of Rob's fleeces at 9:15 when she went to check her children. That doesn't mean she was wearing it all the time. The fact that he had no jumper on suggests that she took it from him at the restaurant.

On the evening I was wearing brown jeans/cord style trousers, a pale blue stripe top, and Jane had taken my jumper which was blue.  The nights were quite chilly which is why Jane had my jumper I am quite use to the cold.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm
If that is the case, why would she be hanging around/loitering?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2020, 09:54:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 17, 2020, 09:04:09 PM
Jane was wearing one of Rob's fleeces at 9:15 when she went to check her children. That doesn't mean she was wearing it all the time. The fact that he had no jumper on suggests that she took it from him at the restaurant.

On the evening I was wearing brown jeans/cord style trousers, a pale blue stripe top, and Jane had taken my jumper which was blue.  The nights were quite chilly which is why Jane had my jumper I am quite use to the cold.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm
Topic of the thread is CB who allegedly said...
Who doesnt want to capture something small...and use it for days
I will document exactly how they will be tortured

But you are more interested in russel obrien  who said,......


Jane had my jumper I am quite use to the cold.


Which one do you think has any significance and is on topic

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 18, 2020, 12:06:15 AM
Quote from: Erngath on October 17, 2020, 09:22:23 PM
And.....
Sometimes it seems you cannot leave behind that which is not of any further interest or relevance in any current police investigations
Or do you believe this is?

I'm taking part in a debate about a woman in purple who, according to Jez Wilkins, was Jane Tanner. The debate wasn't initiated by me, so may I suggest you ask your questions of those who raised the subject?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on October 18, 2020, 12:26:08 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2020, 09:54:03 PM
Topic of the thread is CB who allegedly said...
Who doesnt want to capture something small...and use it for days
I will document exactly how they will be tortured

But you are more interested in russel obrien  who said,......


Jane had my jumper I am quite use to the cold.


I wonder when CB will be charged?

Which one do you think has any significance and is on topic
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 18, 2020, 12:37:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2020, 09:54:03 PM
Topic of the thread is CB who allegedly said...
Who doesnt want to capture something small...and use it for days
I will document exactly how they will be tortured

But you are more interested in russel obrien  who said,......


Jane had my jumper I am quite use to the cold.


Which one do you think has any significance and is on topic



The 'Jane Tanner and the purple top' was initiated by pathfinder who virtually accused Jane of being the woman in Purple

 
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 16, 2020, 09:40:25 PM


Jez saw the woman in purple - Jane Tanner.

I must put my hand up as jumping to Janes defence and going off topic - soz.  But I was not alone in doing that.

And I felt it was necessary to point out that pathfinder was almost certainly incorrect, with reasons, with his statement.        His statement verged on the libellous IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 18, 2020, 12:38:39 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 18, 2020, 12:06:15 AM
I'm taking part in a debate about a woman in purple who, according to Jez Wilkins, was Jane Tanner. The debate wasn't initiated by me, so may I suggest you ask your questions of those who raised the subject?
Yep, question pathfinder; he initiated it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 12:45:32 AM
Quote from: sadie on October 18, 2020, 12:37:07 AM
The 'Jane Tanner and the purple top' was initiated by pathfinder who virtually accused Jane of being the woman in Purple

 
I must put my hand up as jumping to Janes defence and going off topic - soz.  But I was not alone in doing that.

And I felt it was necessary to point out that pathfinder was almost certainly incorrect, with reasons, with his statement.        His statement verged on the libellous IMO

From Jez  Wilkin’s Rogatory

‘Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple. ‘

I think Pathfinder deserves an apology.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 18, 2020, 02:35:14 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 12:45:32 AM
From Jez  Wilkin’s Rogatory

‘Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple. ‘

I think Pathfinder deserves an apology.

Mrs  Murat saw a woman in a plum top standing outside the family's apartment en route to Baptista supermarket.   About 19h50 she went to the "Batista" supermarket to buy bread.  She would have travelled down Rua Dr Francisco G.M. where the tapas group all walked to and from their apartments to the Tapas restaurant

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm


 Mrs Murat also described seeing a woman standing outside the (McCann) family's apartment on the night Madeleine went missing.

"I noticed her there and she kind of looked as if she was trying to hide from me. I do remember she was wearing a plum-coloured top," she said.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/15261405.algarve-resident-tells-of-car-sighting-near-madeleine-mccann-apartment/


In his statement Jez describes a woman wearing purple standing outside the apartments to the 'group'.  His words are, as taken from your quote,   " She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment".   This was on Rua Aghostina de Silva.

Jez knew which the McCann apartment was, so the woman in purple wasn't standing outside their apartment and she was not on Mrs Murats route to Baptista supermarket.


In the meantime from Jane Tanners May4th statement

At about 19.00 they all went back to their own apartments with the children. The witness bathed her children, read them a story and put them to bed. E**e who was unwell and having trouble sleeping, stayed with her father, who had arrived in the meantime. The witness went for dinner at the Tapas restaurant at about 20.30.

Timewise it could physically have been Jane, but so many differences it seems very unlikely.
-  Wearing purple v Maroon top ?
-  Slim, long black haired woman v Janes regular figure, not one most would describe as slim and brown hair, not black
-  Rua Aghostina v Rua Francisco
-  7.50pm v 8.15 pm

It all very tenuous.
What I truly resent is pathfinder virtually accusing Jane of being the woman in purple, when he doesn't know.  Stop it pathfinder; you go too far.   A bit of honour would go down well.

No apology from me.  Pathfinder owes Jane an apology though
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 08:17:15 AM
I think it's probable that HCW has proof of abduction,..he just needs to be able to prove CB was involved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 18, 2020, 08:24:28 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 08:17:15 AM
I think it's probable that HCW has proof of abduction,..he just needs to be able to prove CB was involved
And I doubt it involves Jane Tanner or the colour of her top.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 18, 2020, 08:24:28 AM
And I doubt it involves Jane Tanner or the colour of her top.

Proof of abduction will make much of what has been discussed and claimed on this forum redundant and irrelevant...it will also expose the initial PJ investigation and Amarals book as proof of the total shambles that the PJ were responsible for
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 18, 2020, 09:16:00 AM
Boy when them egss turn out to be dummy's and don't hatch will there be some backtracking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 09:19:23 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 18, 2020, 09:16:00 AM
Boy when them egss turn out to be dummy's and don't hatch will there be some backtracking.

HCW says he has concrete/strong/material evidence Maddie is dead.
I think it's highly probable that will prove abduction.

The only backtracking will come from those who have suggested abduction is impossible..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 18, 2020, 09:45:43 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 18, 2020, 09:16:00 AM
Boy when them egss turn out to be dummy's and don't hatch will there be some backtracking.

I doubt that very much indeed but you can keep on hoping.  Shouldn't be long to wait now to find out what is happening.

Not that I think it will matter what happens either way for some whose closure of mind is equalled in my opinion only by terrorists or in the bible belt of America.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 10:25:04 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 18, 2020, 09:45:43 AM
I doubt that very much indeed but you can keep on hoping.  Shouldn't be long to wait now to find out what is happening.

Not that I think it will matter what happens either way for some whose closure of mind is equalled in my opinion only by terrorists or in the bible belt of America.

I think the very least he will have is proof of abduction and that is going to upset a lot of people
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
Quote from: sadie on October 18, 2020, 02:35:14 AM
Mrs  Murat saw a woman in a plum top standing outside the family's apartment en route to Baptista supermarket.   About 19h50 she went to the "Batista" supermarket to buy bread.  She would have travelled down Rua Dr Francisco G.M. where the tapas group all walked to and from their apartments to the Tapas restaurant

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm


 Mrs Murat also described seeing a woman standing outside the (McCann) family's apartment on the night Madeleine went missing.

"I noticed her there and she kind of looked as if she was trying to hide from me. I do remember she was wearing a plum-coloured top," she said.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/15261405.algarve-resident-tells-of-car-sighting-near-madeleine-mccann-apartment/


In his statement Jez describes a woman wearing purple standing outside the apartments to the 'group'.  His words are, as taken from your quote,   " She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment".   This was on Rua Aghostina de Silva.

Jez knew which the McCann apartment was, so the woman in purple wasn't standing outside their apartment and she was not on Mrs Murats route to Baptista supermarket.


In the meantime from Jane Tanners May4th statement

At about 19.00 they all went back to their own apartments with the children. The witness bathed her children, read them a story and put them to bed. E**e who was unwell and having trouble sleeping, stayed with her father, who had arrived in the meantime. The witness went for dinner at the Tapas restaurant at about 20.30.

Timewise it could physically have been Jane, but so many differences it seems very unlikely.
-  Wearing purple v Maroon top ?
-  Slim, long black haired woman v Janes regular figure, not one most would describe as slim and brown hair, not black
-  Rua Aghostina v Rua Francisco
-  7.50pm v 8.15 pm

It all very tenuous.
What I truly resent is pathfinder virtually accusing Jane of being the woman in purple, when he doesn't know.  Stop it pathfinder; you go too far.   A bit of honour would go down well.

No apology from me.  Pathfinder owes Jane an apology though

A coincidence too far for me but of course you are free to believe exactly what you like.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 17, 2020, 09:45:52 PM
If that is the case, why would she be hanging around/loitering?

Tanner sent a text as phone records prove before entering the tapas and she left the apartment before Russell as it was his turn to look after unwell Evie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: sadie on October 18, 2020, 02:35:14 AM
Mrs  Murat saw a woman in a plum top standing outside the family's apartment en route to Baptista supermarket.   About 19h50 she went to the "Batista" supermarket to buy bread.  She would have travelled down Rua Dr Francisco G.M. where the tapas group all walked to and from their apartments to the Tapas restaurant

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm


 Mrs Murat also described seeing a woman standing outside the (McCann) family's apartment on the night Madeleine went missing.

"I noticed her there and she kind of looked as if she was trying to hide from me. I do remember she was wearing a plum-coloured top," she said.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/15261405.algarve-resident-tells-of-car-sighting-near-madeleine-mccann-apartment/


In his statement Jez describes a woman wearing purple standing outside the apartments to the 'group'.  His words are, as taken from your quote,   " She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment".   This was on Rua Aghostina de Silva.

Jez knew which the McCann apartment was, so the woman in purple wasn't standing outside their apartment and she was not on Mrs Murats route to Baptista supermarket.


In the meantime from Jane Tanners May4th statement

At about 19.00 they all went back to their own apartments with the children. The witness bathed her children, read them a story and put them to bed. E**e who was unwell and having trouble sleeping, stayed with her father, who had arrived in the meantime. The witness went for dinner at the Tapas restaurant at about 20.30.

Timewise it could physically have been Jane, but so many differences it seems very unlikely.
-  Wearing purple v Maroon top ?
-  Slim, long black haired woman v Janes regular figure, not one most would describe as slim and brown hair, not black
-  Rua Aghostina v Rua Francisco
-  7.50pm v 8.15 pm

It all very tenuous.
What I truly resent is pathfinder virtually accusing Jane of being the woman in purple, when he doesn't know.  Stop it pathfinder; you go too far.   A bit of honour would go down well.

No apology from me.  Pathfinder owes Jane an apology though

Murat saw Tanner like Jez did in purple at that location and you will NEVER be able to prove I'm wrong. Tanner left the apartment before Russell because it was his turn to look after unwell Evie. Read the statements and do some real work not fantasy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 02:02:06 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 01:30:36 PM
Murat saw Tanner like Jez did in purple at that location and you will NEVER be able to prove I'm wrong. Tanner left the apartment before Russell because it was his turn to look after unwell Evie. Read the statements and do some real work not fantasy.

Not even relevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 18, 2020, 02:24:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 02:02:06 PM
Not even relevant.
especially not on a thread about CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 02:27:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 02:02:06 PM
Not even relevant.

What isn't relevant? FACT is Jane Tanner said she left the apartment on her OWN. Russell left later.

Jez Wilkins saw Jane Tanner on her OWN dressed in PURPLE. The same location as Jenny Murat. Elementary!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 18, 2020, 02:44:31 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 02:27:12 PM
What isn't relevant? FACT is Jane Tanner said she left the apartment on her OWN. Russell left later.

Jez Wilkins saw Jane Tanner on her OWN dressed in PURPLE. The same location as Jenny Murat. Elementary!
What has this got to do with New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance?  Do you think he and Jane Tanner were working together?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 03:47:32 PM
The German wasn't seen unless you have a witness who saw him there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 04:01:07 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 03:47:32 PM
The German wasn't seen unless you have a witness who saw him there?

can the german prove hes innocent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 04:54:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 04:01:07 PM
can the german prove hes innocent

Yes if he has an alibi to prove he was elsewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 18, 2020, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 04:54:32 PM
Yes if he has an alibi to prove he was elsewhere.
Gerry had several alibis to prove he was elsewhere at the time of the Smith sighting but you don’t accept them so why should anyone accept any alibi put forward by CB?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 05:17:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 18, 2020, 05:05:12 PM
Gerry had several alibis to prove he was elsewhere at the time of the Smith sighting but you don’t accept them so why should anyone accept any alibi put forward by CB?

You and I both know that nothing will change the minds of die hard Sceptics.  And probably none of them on this Forum.

I don't much care anymore.  I only wait for the excuses, which are bound to be hilarious.  If only it were funny.

But there is an increasing sense of desperation in the air since the advent of Bruckner in the frame.  Some of whom have suddenly discovered,  Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  This has got to be a good thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:18:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 04:01:07 PM
can the german prove hes innocent

No need.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:20:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 05:17:43 PM
You and I both know that nothing will change the minds of die hard Sceptics.  And probably none of them on this Forum.

I don't much care anymore.  I only wait for the excuses, which are bound to be hilarious.  If only it were funny.

But there is an increasing sense of desperation in the air since the advent of Bruckner in the frame.  Some of whom have suddenly discovered,  Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  This has got to be a good thing.

There's desperation for the german to be the one to prove the abduction happened, you'll need to sign off, disappointed from France when its shown not to the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 05:31:02 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:20:33 PM
There's desperation for the german to be the one to prove the abduction happened, you'll need to sign off, disappointed from France when its shown not to the case.

What sort of wimp do you think I am?  I don't know if Brueckner dunnit and have never said otherwise.  So watch it, Mate.

I have taken more abuse on this Forum than you would know how to deliver.  In fact you seriously aren't very good at it.

And it is Brittany, by the way.  Melrand to be precise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 04:54:32 PM
Yes if he has an alibi to prove he was elsewhere.

doesnt look as though hes got one
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:34:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 05:31:02 PM
What sort of wimp do you think I am?  I don't know if Brueckner dunnit and have never said otherwise.  So watch it, Mate.

I have taken more abuse on this Forum than you would know how to deliver.  In fact you seriously aren't very good at it.

And it is Brittany, by the way.  Melrand to be precise.

I'll be the judge of who my mates are,you'll never cut that mustard.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:18:50 PM
No need.

Im being ironic.....he needs an alibi
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 18, 2020, 05:37:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:34:54 PM
I'll be the judge of who my mates are,you'll never cut that mustard.
Poor Eleanor, she’ll be gutted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 05:37:25 PM
Im being ironic.....he needs an alibi

For what? Wolters has nothing on him pertaining to her demise,imo if thats what happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
For what? Wolters has nothing on him pertaining to her demise,imo if thats what happened.


IMO ...Wolters has evidence. If it does go to trial lack of alibi will cast serious doubts on CBs innocence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:44:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 05:42:35 PM

IMO ...Wolters has evidence. If it does go to trial lack of alibi will cast serious doubts on CBs innocence.

He may well have one if Wolters ever starts to question him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 05:46:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 04:01:07 PM
can the german prove hes innocent

Does he need to ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:44:52 PM
He may well have one if Wolters ever starts to question him.

his lawyer hasnt mentioned one....I'd say he doesnt have one ...we will see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 05:49:17 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 05:46:00 PM
Does he need to ?

I was being ironic...I'm surprised you didnt realise. Is it just the McCanns who are expected to prov etheir innocence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 05:50:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 05:47:25 PM
his lawyer hasnt mentioned one....I'd say he doesnt have one ...we will see.

His lawyer has said exactly that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:20:33 PM
There's desperation for the german to be the one to prove the abduction happened, you'll need to sign off, disappointed from France when its shown not to the case.

I think the germans have extremely strong evidence of abduction...they just need evidence to tie CB to it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 05:50:01 PM
His lawyer has said exactly that.

his lawyer has not mentioned an alibi......his lawyer said he didnt even speak to the tabloids about the phone calls
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 05:52:39 PM
his lawyer has not mentioned an alibi......his lawyer said he didnt even speak to the tabloids about the phone calls

Yes he does.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 05:56:07 PM
Yes he does.

then cite
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 18, 2020, 05:34:54 PM
I'll be the judge of who my mates are,you'll never cut that mustard.

It wasn't a complementary definition.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 18, 2020, 05:37:35 PM
Poor Eleanor, she’ll be gutted.

I am, I am.  Not.  The old ones are often still the best.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 05:42:35 PM

IMO ...Wolters has evidence. If it does go to trial lack of alibi will cast serious doubts on CBs innocence.

Of course it will.  And keeping his mouth shut will seriously not help him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 06:21:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 06:14:32 PM
Of course it will.  And keeping his mouth shut will seriously not help him.

Has he been questioned then ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 06:21:09 PM
Has he been questioned then ?

You know that he hasn't.  But his Lawyer has intimated that he will have nothing to say.  Although who can believe whatever?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 07:02:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 07:01:30 PM
You know that he hasn't.  But his Lawyer has intimated that he will have nothing to say.  Although who can believe whatever?

Nothing to say ? What if he knows nothing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 07:28:06 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 07:02:52 PM
Nothing to say ? What if he knows nothing?

This is getting silly now.  He must surely know where he was that night and who phoned him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 18, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 07:28:06 PM
This is getting silly now.  He must surely know where he was that night and who phoned him.
What about if he says "sorry I just don't remember that day"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 18, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
What about if he says "sorry I just don't remember that day"?

That would be okay.  But it was the day before he transferred the name of ownership of his Jaguar.

Why did he do that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 07:28:06 PM
This is getting silly now.  He must surely know where he was that night and who phoned him.

Why ? I don’t know where I was on the 3rd of May 2007. I do however remember where I was when I heard about Madeleine’s disappearance on the 4th. Perhaps Brueckner is the same ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 08:17:14 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 18, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
What about if he says "sorry I just don't remember that day"?

the whole of luz was mobilised...the worlds press was there....anyone who lived there would remember
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 08:26:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2020, 08:04:19 PM
That would be okay.  But it was the day before he transferred the name of ownership of his Jaguar.

Why did he do that?

What did the new owner say?

But they've been unable to find forensic evidence that links the suspect to the victim, even though they have examined the VW camper van and Jaguar car he was driving at the time.

https://news.sky.com/story/the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-have-they-got-the-right-man-this-time-12068118
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 18, 2020, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 05:51:15 PM
I think the germans have extremely strong evidence of abduction...they just need evidence to tie CB to it.
Also, if Brückner acted alone he would have been arrested by now. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2020, 08:35:56 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 08:26:01 PM
What did the new owner say?

But they've been unable to find forensic evidence that links the suspect to the victim, even though they have examined the VW camper van and Jaguar car he was driving at the time.

https://news.sky.com/story/the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-have-they-got-the-right-man-this-time-12068118

Absolutely correct..no DNA evidence in either car..a clear answer. When asked if there were images of Maddie on the memory stick..HCW refused to answer
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2020, 08:17:14 PM
the whole of luz was mobilised...the worlds press was there....anyone who lived there would remember

Not the whole of Luz. Murat didn’t know anything had happened until the next morning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2020, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 18, 2020, 08:27:26 PM
Also, if Brückner acted alone he would have been arrested by now. My opinion.

Wolter said that he believes Buckner acted alone. What do you make of that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 19, 2020, 02:40:43 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 18, 2020, 01:30:36 PM
Murat saw Tanner like Jez did in purple at that location and you will NEVER be able to prove I'm wrong. Tanner left the apartment before Russell because it was his turn to look after unwell Evie. Read the statements and do some real work not fantasy.

ORLY ?

Didn't you notice, I QUOTED STATEMENTS

Perhaps I didn't present them very well, but the quotes were there

Read the statements and do some real work not fantasy.   
Open your eyes to FACTS P.F. and do not intimate that things are facts when they are not.

Purlease


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 19, 2020, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: sadie on October 19, 2020, 02:40:43 AM
ORLY ?

Didn't you notice, I QUOTED STATEMENTS

Perhaps I didn't present them very well, but the quotes were there

Read the statements and do some real work not fantasy.   
Open your eyes to FACTS P.F. and do not intimate that things are facts when they are not.

Purlease

Mrs Murat mentioned no woman in purple in her police statement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearan
Post by: Anthro on October 19, 2020, 08:58:33 PM
Looking back at Tasmin Silence’s statement, the second time she saw a man in the vicinity of apartment 5A, she noticed that he had a pen and something in his pocket that might have been a phone and/or camera. Bruckner is known to photograph/record his victims. Perhaps it is possible that Mr Wolters has evidence that he had a photograph of Madeleine prior to her disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 19, 2020, 09:17:22 PM
He would have been arrested and questioned months ago if he had an unknown photo of MM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 19, 2020, 09:25:58 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 19, 2020, 09:17:22 PM
He would have been arrested and questioned months ago if he had an unknown photo of MM.

I agree. The Germans would have been all over him.  The fact that this hasn't happened leads me to believe they have nothing of any substance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 19, 2020, 09:32:03 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 19, 2020, 09:17:22 PM
He would have been arrested and questioned months ago if he had an unknown photo of MM.
Arrested for what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 19, 2020, 09:35:56 PM
Quote from: John on October 19, 2020, 09:25:58 PM
I agree. The Germans would have been all over him.  The fact that this hasn't happened leads me to believe they have nothing of any substance.

I think you are totally mistaken because the penalty for possession of images can be non custodial..I'm sure they have far more than that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 19, 2020, 10:53:43 PM
If he possessed an UNKNOWN photo that he shouldn't have then make no mistake he would have been questioned. They've been trying to find her for 13 years so with that evidence they would have been all over him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 19, 2020, 11:44:56 PM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 19, 2020, 10:53:43 PM
If he possessed an UNKNOWN photo that he shouldn't have then make no mistake he would have been questioned. They've been trying to find her for 13 years so with that evidence they would have been all over him.
Photos can be shared via multiple methods, and you would be uncertain when the photo was taken.   There are enough photos of Madeleine in poses that we have no real idea when they were taken even now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 20, 2020, 12:11:38 AM
Quote from: pathfinder73 on October 19, 2020, 10:53:43 PM
If he possessed an UNKNOWN photo that he shouldn't have then make no mistake he would have been questioned. They've been trying to find her for 13 years so with that evidence they would have been all over him.

And perhaps Anthro is right.   The photo of Madeleine, if taken, may have shown up in his cache of photos found more recently.


But if there are no pictures of him assaulting Madeleine, could it have been planted?   Had he stolen Madeleine for the reasons some believe here, he would have surely taken horrible pictures of her for his self gratification.
Seems there were no such photos, because surely if there were, The German Police would have sufficient evidence to prosecute him.

I have a strong feeling that the massive trafficking group that I see behind this abduction, have CB as their fall guy.  Once someone (?CB) is convicted, they will be off the hook and the search for Madeleine will stop.   They will be safe to carry on with their evil work free from threatened jail and some mighty powerful names will never be exposed.. 

The mega bucks will keep rolling in.

AIMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 20, 2020, 08:26:19 AM
Quote from: sadie on October 20, 2020, 12:11:38 AM
And perhaps Anthro is right.   The photo of Madeleine, if taken, may have shown up in his cache of photos found more recently.


But if there are no pictures of him assaulting Madeleine, could it have been planted?   Had he stolen Madeleine for the reasons some believe here, he would have surely taken horrible pictures of her for his self gratification.
Seems there were no such photos, because surely if there were, The German Police would have sufficient evidence to prosecute him.

I have a strong feeling that the massive trafficking group that I see behind this abduction, have CB as their fall guy.  Once someone (?CB) is convicted, they will be off the hook and the search for Madeleine will stop.   They will be safe to carry on with their evil work free from threatened jail and some mighty powerful names will never be exposed.. 

The mega bucks will keep rolling in.

AIMO

Wolter’s said Brückner worked alone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 20, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
Another amazing paradox.  "I don't believe HCW is right about CB, but he said CB worked alone so he couldn't have had an accomplice in the crime he didn't commit".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 20, 2020, 09:17:58 PM
From earlier today.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12915322/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-russian-brothers/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 20, 2020, 10:26:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 20, 2020, 09:17:58 PM
From earlier today.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12915322/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-russian-brothers/

Can't open that one Anthro, but here is another in similar vein (I think)

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/10/12/exclusive-russians-in-spain-could-be-linked-to-madeleine-snatch/

The Russian connections …. interesting aren't they ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 20, 2020, 10:32:44 PM
This is in the PJ files, mentioning Russians with a yacht named ‘Snark’ with a Spanish connection. Cascais is close to Lisbon and Marbella is at the Costa da Sol, Spain.

'Snark': GB flag; no port of registry or registration number; constructed 2007;
RU owner\skipper (44) with RU (30) and UA (Ukraine) (70) crewmen.
Arrived in Lagos from Cascais on 4 May and sailed on to Marbella on 5 May.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 21, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 20, 2020, 10:32:44 PM
This is in the PJ files, mentioning Russians with a yacht named ‘Snark’ with a Spanish connection. Cascais is close to Lisbon and Marbella is at the Costa da Sol, Spain.

'Snark': GB flag; no port of registry or registration number; constructed 2007;
RU owner\skipper (44) with RU (30) and UA (Ukraine) (70) crewmen.
Arrived in Lagos from Cascais on 4 May and sailed on to Marbella on 5 May.

RUSSIAN CONNECTION Madeleine McCann cops hunting Christian B’s shadowy Russian pals who may have helped him snatch toddler
EXCLUSIVE
Henry Holloway
20 Oct 2020, 16:40Updated: 20 Oct 2020, 16:45
MADELEINE McCann detectives are hunting Christian B's Russian pals who may be linked to the snatching of the girl.

German police have confirmed they are searching for associates of Christian B who he was speaking to around the time the tot is believed to have been abducted.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters - who is leading the probe - confirmed the development to The Sun Online as they continue to treat Madeleine's disappearance as a murder probe.

He told The Sun Online: "We know that Christian B had contacts with Russian-speaking people in the spring of 2007.

"Because we want to interview all people who had any kind of contact with Christian B at the time, we are also interested in these men."

Mr Wolters declined to reveal any further details about the men.

It is understood the Russians are two brothers with links to Spain, and it is reported Christian B's ex-girlfriend, a babysitter, often talked about working for Russians.

Portuguese TV channel RTP reported she worked for Russian clients who were involved in the sale of yachts.

He also declined to confirm whether the men are being treated as suspects or witnesses as its thought they could be linked to the struggling case.
_______________________________________________________________________________

Revelations about the two Russians come after Christian B's friend Manfred Seyferth revealed he was quizzed about the Russians.

Seyferth, 64, former a thief who claims he worked with the paedophile, told Portuguese television show Sexta as 9 he was grilled about the Russians last December.

He said: "Police visited me in 2019 and asked about a murder and asked about two Russians in Spain and if I knew them.

"They picked me up in Frankfurt and said it was a homicide case and then asked if I knew two Russians in Spain, two Russian brothers.

"I told them I don't know any Russians in Spain."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12915322/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-russian-brothers/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 21, 2020, 01:30:51 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 21, 2020, 01:17:08 PM
RUSSIAN CONNECTION Madeleine McCann cops hunting Christian B’s shadowy Russian pals who may have helped him snatch toddler
EXCLUSIVE
Henry Holloway
20 Oct 2020, 16:40Updated: 20 Oct 2020, 16:45
MADELEINE McCann detectives are hunting Christian B's Russian pals who may be linked to the snatching of the girl.

German police have confirmed they are searching for associates of Christian B who he was speaking to around the time the tot is believed to have been abducted.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters - who is leading the probe - confirmed the development to The Sun Online as they continue to treat Madeleine's disappearance as a murder probe.

He told The Sun Online: "We know that Christian B had contacts with Russian-speaking people in the spring of 2007.

"Because we want to interview all people who had any kind of contact with Christian B at the time, we are also interested in these men."

Mr Wolters declined to reveal any further details about the men.

It is understood the Russians are two brothers with links to Spain, and it is reported Christian B's ex-girlfriend, a babysitter, often talked about working for Russians.

Portuguese TV channel RTP reported she worked for Russian clients who were involved in the sale of yachts.

He also declined to confirm whether the men are being treated as suspects or witnesses as its thought they could be linked to the struggling case.
_______________________________________________________________________________

Revelations about the two Russians come after Christian B's friend Manfred Seyferth revealed he was quizzed about the Russians.

Seyferth, 64, former a thief who claims he worked with the paedophile, told Portuguese television show Sexta as 9 he was grilled about the Russians last December.

He said: "Police visited me in 2019 and asked about a murder and asked about two Russians in Spain and if I knew them.

"They picked me up in Frankfurt and said it was a homicide case and then asked if I knew two Russians in Spain, two Russian brothers.

"I told them I don't know any Russians in Spain."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12915322/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-russian-brothers/

What an absolute joke.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 21, 2020, 01:35:52 PM
It has always struck me that if Russian gangsters were in any way involved, then it would be big business for them and  Madeleine would not be a 'one off'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 21, 2020, 02:06:25 PM

No Abductor in their right mind would be abducting anyone from The Algarve  and probably never again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 21, 2020, 02:13:17 PM
Surely if the Portuguese police are as useless as has been claimed, then it should be a doddle
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 23, 2020, 03:19:56 PM
Concrete!,quicksand more like.


Madeleine McCann's parents told 'not to get hopes up' with 'no evidence against suspect'
Christian Brueckner was identified as the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance back in June, but a Europe-wide appeal for information has not produced a breakthrough

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-told-not-22891712
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 23, 2020, 04:58:16 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 23, 2020, 03:19:56 PM
Concrete!,quicksand more like.


Madeleine McCann's parents told 'not to get hopes up' with 'no evidence against suspect'
Christian Brueckner was identified as the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance back in June, but a Europe-wide appeal for information has not produced a breakthrough

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-told-not-22891712
You hope, but perhaps putting too much store in a Daily Star article is unwise...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 23, 2020, 05:10:44 PM
Yes, best wait to see if picked up by other news outlets., but I'm sure the 'family pal' won't have wanted to speak only to the Star
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 23, 2020, 05:20:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 23, 2020, 05:10:44 PM
Yes, best wait to see if picked up by other news outlets., but I'm sure the 'family pal' won't have wanted to speak only to the Star

It won’t only be the parents who are disappointed if the Brueckner lead doesn’t work out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 23, 2020, 05:27:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 23, 2020, 03:19:56 PM
Concrete!,quicksand more like.


Madeleine McCann's parents told 'not to get hopes up' with 'no evidence against suspect'
Christian Brueckner was identified as the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance back in June, but a Europe-wide appeal for information has not produced a breakthrough

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-told-not-22891712

I listened to HCW speaking live to Mark S...recorded about six weeks ago.
He said the evidence that Maddie is dead and C B killed her is very strong. He said his strong evidence is not the phone pings or witness statements....but still not enough then to charge CB.

You believe the Star ..I believe HCW has significant evidence... probably proof of Maddie's death which will prove the abduction...needs more evidence to prove CB is the killer
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 25, 2020, 08:49:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 23, 2020, 05:27:06 PM
I listened to HCW speaking live to Mark S...recorded about six weeks ago.
He said the evidence that Maddie is dead and C B killed her is very strong. He said his strong evidence is not the phone pings or witness statements....but still not enough then to charge CB.

You believe the Star ..I believe HCW has significant evidence... probably proof of Maddie's death which will prove the abduction...needs more evidence to prove CB is the killer

The Sun followed it up as well.

'GAME IS UP' Fears probe into Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B could be closed in New Year as prosecutors hit ‘brick wall’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13013261/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-investigation-close/



THE investigation into Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B could be closed down in the New Year.

We can reveal a “catastrophic” lack of progress in the probe has raised fears it will be shelved in just a few weeks time.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 08:53:42 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 25, 2020, 08:49:12 AM
The Sun followed it up as well.

'GAME IS UP' Fears probe into Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B could be closed in New Year as prosecutors hit ‘brick wall’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13013261/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-investigation-close/



THE investigation into Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B could be closed down in the New Year.

We can reveal a “catastrophic” lack of progress in the probe has raised fears it will be shelved in just a few weeks time.


Says a Portuguese source....it's laughable that anyone with any knowledge of the case could take this seriously
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 25, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
The mirror is directly quoting Wolters.


But Mr Wolters, who is leading the probe in Germany, now says that without new clues, he will never be quizzed over missing Maddie.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-never-quizzed-22900129

Mr Wolters said he was “hopeful” evidence would be found for police to charge and quiz Brueckner, 43, but added: “At the moment our evidence is not so strong we are sure he will be sentenced by the court.”

It’s an about-turn from the prosecutor who has previously claimed police have “concrete” evidence Madeleine is dead.

Now he’s told podcast They’ve Taken Her: “Maybe we need more witnesses or photos or video.”

He added: "Maybe we need one witness who can tell us the things we don’t know.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 25, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
The mirror is directly quoting Wolters.


But Mr Wolters, who is leading the probe in Germany, now says that without new clues, he will never be quizzed over missing Maddie.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-never-quizzed-22900129

Mr Wolters said he was “hopeful” evidence would be found for police to charge and quiz Brueckner, 43, but added: “At the moment our evidence is not so strong we are sure he will be sentenced by the court.”

It’s an about-turn from the prosecutor who has previously claimed police have “concrete” evidence Madeleine is dead.

Now he’s told podcast They’ve Taken Her: “Maybe we need more witnesses or photos or video.”

He added: "Maybe we need one witness who can tell us the things we don’t know.”

Even when tabloids quote we have seen they are not always accurate

Interesting Wolters says he needs more witnesses..photos... videos


As though he already has photos and videos
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 09:20:09 AM
A video of maddie in CBs possession would prove abduction...but not prove death. ... but would be indicative of death. HCW said he wasnt sure when maddie died.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:25:30 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 25, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
The mirror is directly quoting Wolters.


But Mr Wolters, who is leading the probe in Germany, now says that without new clues, he will never be quizzed over missing Maddie.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-never-quizzed-22900129

Mr Wolters said he was “hopeful” evidence would be found for police to charge and quiz Brueckner, 43, but added: “At the moment our evidence is not so strong we are sure he will be sentenced by the court.”

It’s an about-turn from the prosecutor who has previously claimed police have “concrete” evidence Madeleine is dead.

Now he’s told podcast They’ve Taken Her: “Maybe we need more witnesses or photos or video.”

He added: "Maybe we need one witness who can tell us the things we don’t know.”

Wolters is a clown, a friggin joke.  He never had anything to begin with except a misplaced optimism that some lowlife would come forward and finger Brueckner for Maddie's abduction and murder.

Davel must be so disappointed.  &%^^
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 09:20:09 AM
A video of maddie in CBs possession would prove abduction...but not prove death. ... but would be indicative of death. HCW said he wasnt sure when maddie died.

Wrong again what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 09:29:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:25:30 AM
Wolters is a clown, a friggin joke.  He never had anything to begin with except a misplaced optimism that some lowlife would come forward and finger Brueckner for Maddie's abduction and murder.

Davel must be so disappointed.  &%^^

Im very optimistic...Abduction could soon be a proven fact. You are the one who sounds disappointed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:26:44 AM
Wrong again what?

No Im right
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 09:29:14 AM
Im very optimistic...Abduction could soon be a proven fact. You are the one who sounds disappointed

Let's face it, your faith in Wolters was misplaced. An abduction most probably occurred but there isn't a shred of evidence that connects Brueckner with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on October 25, 2020, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:25:30 AM
Wolters is a clown, a friggin joke.  He never had anything to begin with except a misplaced optimism that some lowlife would come forward and finger Brueckner for Maddie's abduction and murder.

Davel must be so disappointed.  &%^^


You think you know it all do you?   I doubt very much if Wolters would have said anything if he didn't have proof.   As he says he does have proof its CB but not enough to have him convicted.   In my opinion,  they won't close the case CB is locked up so they can continue their investigation without him going anywhere.

Why you find the need to say that Davel would be disappointed I don't know and with a smiley seriously?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 09:50:57 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
Let's face it, your faith in Wolters was misplaced. An abduction most probably occurred but there isn't a shred of evidence that connects Brueckner with it.

I see you are now admitting an abduction MOST PROBABLY OCCURRED....we are moving on.

I think its likely HCW has proof of adduction...evidence of CBs involvement...but not proof ...we will see.

If HCW has discovered proof of abduction hes no idiot...he smoved the case forward
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: Lace on October 25, 2020, 09:47:27 AM

You think you know it all do you?   I doubt very much if Wolters would have said anything if he didn't have proof.   As he says he does have proof its CB but not enough to have him convicted.   In my opinion,  they won't close the case CB is locked up so they can continue their investigation without him going anywhere.

Why you find the need to say that Davel would be disappointed I don't know and with a laughing smiley seriously?

im not bothered in the slightest what angelo or anyone else on thsi forum says about me. they are wasting their time if they think they can taunt me...its laughable.

Im far from disappointed. I'm incredibly pleased that evidence or even proof of abduction has been found
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 09:53:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
Let's face it, your faith in Wolters was misplaced. An abduction most probably occurred but there isn't a shred of evidence that connects Brueckner with it.

Or rules him out, as far as I can see.

I'm not much bothered at the moment so long as this excuse for a human being stays locked up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 09:59:40 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
Let's face it, your faith in Wolters was misplaced. An abduction most probably occurred but there isn't a shred of evidence that connects Brueckner with it.

I dont see my opinion of HCW is or was anyway misplaced. What I do see is many posters faith in amaral misplaced
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 25, 2020, 10:03:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 09:05:16 AM
Even when tabloids quote we have seen they are not always accurate

Interesting Wolters says he needs more witnesses..photos... videos


As though he already has photos and videos

Even more interestingly Wolters said MAYBE, not MORE;

MS "What is the missing piece of evidence that you need?"

24:21
Wolters "I'm not able to say exactly. Maybe we need only one witness which can told us the things which we don't know at the moment, maybe we need more witnesses or we need some photos or a video. I'm not able to say what we need exactly."
https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?in_playlist=they-ve-taken-her!podcast#description

The only reference to MORE is in relation to the word Witnesses. He may have used MORE as opposed to the ONE or in addition to the witnesses we know they already have. It doesn't refer to the following words; "or we need some photos or a video" in my opinion, so there's nothing to suggest he already has photos or a video.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 10:12:54 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2020, 10:08:00 AM


as i said...angelo is wating his time...like water off  a ducks back...LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 25, 2020, 10:37:37 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 09:53:49 AM
Or rules him out, as far as I can see.

I'm not much bothered at the moment so long as this excuse for a human being stays locked up.
But not for the wrong thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 25, 2020, 10:45:56 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:25:30 AM
Wolters is a clown, a friggin joke.  He never had anything to begin with except a misplaced optimism that some lowlife would come forward and finger Brueckner for Maddie's abduction and murder.

Davel must be so disappointed.  &%^^

The tag line might need editing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: Lace on October 25, 2020, 09:47:27 AM

You think you know it all do you?   I doubt very much if Wolters would have said anything if he didn't have proof.   As he says he does have proof its CB but not enough to have him convicted.   In my opinion,  they won't close the case CB is locked up so they can continue their investigation without him going anywhere.

Why you find the need to say that Davel would be disappointed I don't know and with a laughing smiley seriously?

Well he is isn't he?  He has had so much hope in Wolters and now he (Wolters) has had to admit he has nothing. All that misplaced bravado and those enthusiastic newspaper headlines about his claims re Brueckner worth nothing. If Brueckner had anything connecting Brueckner to Maddie he could have charged him but he hasn't and he can't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 11:21:47 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 09:50:57 AM
I see you are now admitting an abduction MOST PROBABLY OCCURRED....we are moving on.

I think its likely HCW has proof of adduction...evidence of CBs involvement...but not proof ...we will see.

If HCW has discovered proof of abduction hes no idiot...he smoved the case forward

I have always believed the kid was abducted but from the road outside, not from her bedroom.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 09:59:40 AM
I dont see my opinion of HCW is or was anyway misplaced. What I do see is many posters faith in amaral misplaced

He hasn't been proven wrong though in a number of his theories. He certainly put two fingers up to the McCanns over their libel action though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 11:28:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 11:15:18 AM
Well he is isn't he?  He has had so much hope in Wolters and now he (Wolters) has had to admit he has nothing. All that misplaced bravado and those enthusiastic newspaper headlines about his claims re Brueckner worth nothing. If Brueckner had anything connecting Brueckner to Maddie he could have charged him but he hasn't and he can't.

Your claim that Wolters has nothing is ridiculous...I would say he may well have proof of abduction...that would be  a massive revelation. Your claim...If Brueckner had anything connecting Brueckner to Maddie ....is also ridiculous...I presume you mean Wolters.

He may well have connections but not strong enough yet. I think you are just upset that you may be proven wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 11:24:14 AM
He hasn't been proven wrong though in a number of his theories. He certainly put two fingers up to the McCanns over their libel action though.

hes been proven wrong in his understanding of the evidence which is pretty pathetic  for  a supposed experienced detective
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 25, 2020, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 25, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
The mirror is directly quoting Wolters.


But Mr Wolters, who is leading the probe in Germany, now says that without new clues, he will never be quizzed over missing Maddie.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-never-quizzed-22900129

Mr Wolters said he was “hopeful” evidence would be found for police to charge and quiz Brueckner, 43, but added: “At the moment our evidence is not so strong we are sure he will be sentenced by the court.”

It’s an about-turn from the prosecutor who has previously claimed police have “concrete” evidence Madeleine is dead.

Now he’s told podcast They’ve Taken Her: “Maybe we need more witnesses or photos or video.”

He added: "Maybe we need one witness who can tell us the things we don’t know.”

This stinks of a cart before the horse situation. Imagine any British police officer saying publicly that he is "hopeful” that evidence would be found for police to charge and quiz anyone. So unprofessional imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 11:41:32 AM
Quote from: John on October 25, 2020, 11:32:07 AM
This stinks of a cart before the horse situation. Imagine any British police officer saying publicly that he is "hopeful” that evidence would be found for police to charge and quiz anyone. So unprofessional imo.

Depends how much evidence he already has. he wanted to appeal to the public for help with the phone call....thats a reasonable reason to go public and similar public appeals in the Uk have been made...and suspects identified.


If he has strong evidence or proof of abduction...which it looks he may have ...then he deserves a medal.

For the past few years posters have been complaining that they havent been told whats being investigated....Now they are told...still moaning
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: John on October 25, 2020, 11:32:07 AM
This stinks of a cart before the horse situation. Imagine any British police officer saying publicly that he is "hopeful” that evidence would be found for police to charge and quiz anyone. So unprofessional imo.

Does sound as if they are trying to find evidence to fit the suspect rather than a suspect to fit the evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 25, 2020, 10:03:07 AM
Even more interestingly Wolters said MAYBE, not MORE;

MS "What is the missing piece of evidence that you need?"

24:21
Wolters "I'm not able to say exactly. Maybe we need only one witness which can told us the things which we don't know at the moment, maybe we need more witnesses or we need some photos or a video. I'm not able to say what we need exactly."
https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?in_playlist=they-ve-taken-her!podcast#description

The only reference to MORE is in relation to the word Witnesses. He may have used MORE as opposed to the ONE or in addition to the witnesses we know they already have. It doesn't refer to the following words; "or we need some photos or a video" in my opinion, so there's nothing to suggest he already has photos or a video.

Your dedication to the protection of Brueckner's rights leaves me overwhelmed with admiration.  If only I could have done so well for The McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 25, 2020, 10:37:37 AM
But not for the wrong thing.

I don't care about what they lock him up for so long as it is legally permissible.  This shouldn't be hard to find.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 25, 2020, 12:22:40 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:22:02 PM
I don't care about what they lock him up for so long as it is legally permissible.  This shouldn't be hard to find.
Seems as if it might be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:25:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 11:15:18 AM
Well he is isn't he?  He has had so much hope in Wolters and now he (Wolters) has had to admit he has nothing. All that misplaced bravado and those enthusiastic newspaper headlines about his claims re Brueckner worth nothing. If Brueckner had anything connecting Brueckner to Maddie he could have charged him but he hasn't and he can't.

You are such a laugh sometimes.  Your opinions on Justice change with the wind, depending on who we are talking about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: John on October 25, 2020, 11:32:07 AM
This stinks of a cart before the horse situation. Imagine any British police officer saying publicly that he is "hopeful” that evidence would be found for police to charge and quiz anyone. So unprofessional imo.

And The PJ weren't unprofessional, you think?  More double standards.

But at least we now know that Portugal doesn't have primacy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
Does sound as if they are trying to find evidence to fit the suspect rather than a suspect to fit the evidence.

What?  Like Portugal did?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2020, 12:32:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:30:52 PM
What?  Like Portugal did?
.
We are discussing German judiciary so why the whataboutary with Portugal ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 25, 2020, 12:22:40 PM
Seems as if it might be.

Don't bank on it.  This man needs to be locked up for a very long time and no doubt The Germans will find something.

Otherwise he will be abusing more children and raping more old women.  But that appears to be okay with you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2020, 12:32:38 PM
.
We are discussing German judiciary so why the whataboutary with Portugal ?

Portugal is where it all began where in The PJ tried to fit the evidence to The McCanns.

You raised the question so you can't discard it when it suits you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 25, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:19:43 PM
Your dedication to the protection of Brueckner's rights leaves me overwhelmed with admiration.  If only I could have done so well for The McCanns.

My post was aimed at correcting what Wolters actually said as opposed to what he was rumoured to have said. Nothing to do with Brueckner's rights imo.

I try to post the truth, no matter who is the subject of my post. That's why I use cites so my sources can be checked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 12:43:17 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 25, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
My post was aimed at correcting what Wolters actually said as opposed to what he was rumoured to have said. Nothing to do with Brueckner's rights imo.

I try to post the truth, no matter who is the subject of my post. That's why I use cites so my sources can be checked.

do you have  a cite for wolters appeal...ive asked for cites several times from you and not been given
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2020, 12:36:08 PM


Angelo frequently oversteps the mark.  I might have to start reporting this, although I would much rather not.

Sadly, Angelo has never afforded me the same courtesy.

Perhaps he might be a bit more careful in future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 25, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
My post was aimed at correcting what Wolters actually said as opposed to what he was rumoured to have said. Nothing to do with Brueckner's rights imo.

I try to post the truth, no matter who is the subject of my post. That's why I use cites so my sources can be checked.

There is so very little Absolute Truth in any of this.  What makes you so sure that you have access to it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 25, 2020, 12:51:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:35:52 PM
Don't bank on it.  This man needs to be locked up for a very long time and no doubt The Germans will find something.

Otherwise he will be abusing more children and raping more old women.  But that appears to be okay with you.
If you say so,but you know full well,I care not for what you think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 25, 2020, 12:51:16 PM
If you say so,but you know full well,I care not for what you think.

Don't you?  Oh My.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 25, 2020, 01:18:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 12:43:17 PM
do you have  a cite for wolters appeal...ive asked for cites several times from you and not been given

What appeal?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 25, 2020, 01:32:22 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
And The PJ weren't unprofessional, you think?  More double standards.

But at least we now know that Portugal doesn't have primacy.

In my opinion, you are wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 25, 2020, 01:18:08 PM
What appeal?

the one you mentioned here...

I have reason to believe that the sentence for rape has been appealed against;

"he was sentenced to seven years in prison by the Braunschweig Regional Court for raping a 72-year-old girl in the Algarve in 2005. This penalty is currently being examined by the Federal Court of Justice and is not final."
https://www.fnp.de/deutschland/maddie-mccann-anwalt-christian-b-kritik-medien-vermisst-tot-verdacht-zr-13810982.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2020, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:25:30 AM
Wolters is a clown, a friggin joke.  He never had anything to begin with except a misplaced optimism that some lowlife would come forward and finger Brueckner for Maddie's abduction and murder.

Davel must be so disappointed.  &%^^

Don't know about that Angelo.  I'm content to bide my time and wait to hear it all from the horse's mouth rather than place my reliance on Saunokonoko and repetitive tabloid tales.

In the interim I'm deriving not a little amusement from the way the SUN has been sanitised and rehabilitated for sceptics of late.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2020, 02:01:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 09:50:57 AM
I see you are now admitting an abduction MOST PROBABLY OCCURRED....we are moving on.

I think its likely HCW has proof of adduction...evidence of CBs involvement...but not proof ...we will see.

If HCW has discovered proof of abduction hes no idiot...he smoved the case forward

"he's moved the case forward"

I have to agree with that,

Also I feel it has to be said that no-one on this forum has accused Brueckner of anything;  he is the prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance but his right to the presumption of innocence is categorically respected.

The shame of it all is that some members do not treat the McCanns rights with the same respect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 11:41:32 AM
Depends how much evidence he already has. he wanted to appeal to the public for help with the phone call....thats a reasonable reason to go public and similar public appeals in the Uk have been made...and suspects identified.


If he has strong evidence or proof of abduction...which it looks he may have ...then he deserves a medal.

For the past few years posters have been complaining that they havent been told whats being investigated....Now they are told...still moaning

He has nothing. When will you realise this? 🤔
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
Does sound as if they are trying to find evidence to fit the suspect rather than a suspect to fit the evidence.

Absolutely. SY tried this tactic with a few suspects and it backfired on them too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:22:24 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:19:43 PM
Your dedication to the protection of Brueckner's rights leaves me overwhelmed with admiration.  If only I could have done so well for The McCanns.

Big difference being Brueckner cannot defend himself whereas the McCanns could and paid handsomely for it with other people's money.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:25:42 PM
You are such a laugh sometimes.  Your opinions on Justice change with the wind, depending on who we are talking about.

But don't let a little thing like justice get in the way. I don't recall Brueckner orchestrating a campaign against investigators?  Silly me...that was the McCanns doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:18:34 PM
He has nothing. When will you realise this? 🤔

He has evidence of maddies death and CBs involvement...when will you realise
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:28:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
And The PJ weren't unprofessional, you think?  More double standards.

But at least we now know that Portugal doesn't have primacy.

I think you are confused my dear.  Portugal will always have primacy in the Maddie case, Germany only has primacy against Brueckner while he is in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:19:53 PM
Absolutely. SY tried this tactic with a few suspects and it backfired on them too.

Amaral tried these tactics and it didn't go well for him either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:29:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 04:27:04 PM
He has evidence of maddies death and CBs involvement...when will you realise

Aye...and the moon is made of cheese...  *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
But don't let a little thing like justice get in the way. I don't recall Brueckner orchestrating a campaign against investigators?  Silly me...that was the McCanns doing.

But I thought you didn't believe that The McCanns done it.  So just poop stirring.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 04:35:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:28:58 PM
I think you are confused my dear.  Portugal will always have primacy in the Maddie case, Germany only has primacy against Brueckner while he is in Germany.

You think Brueckner is going to Portugal any time soon?

No, Darling.  He won't be, even if he could.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:29:49 PM
Aye...and the moon is made of cheese...  *%87

The fact is you don't know what evidence he has...you just think you do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:44:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 04:39:30 PM
The fact is you don't know what evidence he has...you just think you do.

He has nothing...didn't you read the article?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 25, 2020, 04:45:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 04:39:30 PM
The fact is you don't know what evidence he has...you just think you do.

LOL so do you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:45:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 04:33:02 PM
But I thought you didn't believe that The McCanns done it.  So just poop stirring.

Denial is a river in Africa.  (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 04:50:01 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 25, 2020, 04:45:03 PM
LOL so do you

You and others want to suggest that the german prosecutor is making things up...I think thats ridiculous
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 04:50:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:45:26 PM
Denial is a river in Africa.  (&^&

the moons made of cheese...denial is a river in africa...you are sounding very strange
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 05:00:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:44:18 PM
He has nothing...didn't you read the article?

looks like you are basing your thoughts on an article in the Daily Star whereas Im basing mine on what Wolters has actually said...live on TV
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 25, 2020, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 04:50:56 PM
the moons made of cheese...denial is a river in africa...you are sounding very strange
Angelo is probably referring to the Nile River but then again I don’t take him seriously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 05:05:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 04:45:26 PM
Denial is a river in Africa.  (&^&

Jesus.  How old are you?  That went out with The Stone Age.

Meanwhile, ignorance is bliss.

You disappear for weeks at a time and then pop back in for a couple of days just to stir the proverbial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 25, 2020, 05:03:58 PM
Angelo is probably referring to the Nile River but then again I don’t take him seriously.

its  a very very old joke
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 25, 2020, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 05:11:14 PM
its  a very very old joke
Thanks Davel. I am not familiar with that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 25, 2020, 05:41:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 05:11:14 PM
its  a very very old joke
Is it one of yours?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 05:50:15 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 25, 2020, 05:41:39 PM
Is it one of yours?

No, it isn't one of Davel's.  Just in case you are looking for something to beat him with.

I am older than Davel so I heard it first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 06:04:14 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 25, 2020, 05:41:39 PM
Is it one of yours?

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 25, 2020, 06:07:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 05:50:15 PM
No, it isn't one of Davel's.  Just in case you are looking for something to beat him with.

I am older than Davel so I heard it first.
All right, you don't have to bash me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 05:05:51 PM
Jesus.  How old are you?  That went out with The Stone Age.

Meanwhile, ignorance is bliss.

You disappear for weeks at a time and then pop back in for a couple of days just to stir the proverbial.

Did you miss me?  Me and my computer have been on lockdown but that's all over now...back to work defending the innocent and righteous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2020, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 06:10:28 PM
Did you miss me?  Me and my computer have been on lockdown but that's all over now...back to work defending the innocent and righteous.

I liked you better when I was Nellie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2020, 06:19:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 06:10:28 PM
Did you miss me?  Me and my computer have been on lockdown but that's all over now...back to work defending the innocent and righteous.
Like Bruckner you mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 25, 2020, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2020, 06:19:35 PM
Like Bruckner you mean?
I never thought Angelo was German, more Portuguese IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2020, 07:55:16 PM
Latest from DM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8877537/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-NEVER-questioned.html

"The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann may never be questioned by police as investigators say they do not have enough evidence and are just one witness away from justice."

I interpret that as meaning they have no credible witness at all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2020, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2020, 07:55:16 PM
Latest from DM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8877537/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-NEVER-questioned.html

"The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann may never be questioned by police as investigators say they do not have enough evidence and are just one witness away from justice."

I interpret that as meaning they have no credible witness at all
This is just a re-hash of all the other articles that have appeared in the last two days.  I interpret it as meaning they have circumstantial evidence but not enough to satisy a German court. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 25, 2020, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2020, 07:55:16 PM
Latest from DM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8877537/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-NEVER-questioned.html

"The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann may never be questioned by police as investigators say they do not have enough evidence and are just one witness away from justice."

I interpret that as meaning they have no credible witness at all
Much in line with the Sun,Mirror and star.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2020, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 25, 2020, 08:02:50 PM
Much in line with the Sun,Mirror and star.

Yes, though when the Star was first off the blocks, someone was poo pooing the story because it was the Star.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 25, 2020, 08:19:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2020, 08:13:45 PM
Yes, though when the Star was first off the blocks, someone was poo pooing the story because it was the Star.

I’m afraid hope is the last thing to die.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 08:25:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2020, 08:13:45 PM
Yes, though when the Star was first off the blocks, someone was poo pooing the story because it was the Star.

Some people are so naive...this is a copy and paste click bait story in order to bolster advertising revenue
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 25, 2020, 08:30:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 08:25:25 PM
Some people are so naive...this is a copy and paste click bait story in order to bolster advertising revenue
I'm surprised the Sun doesn't sue you for defamation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 08:32:43 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 25, 2020, 08:30:56 PM
I'm surprised the Sun doesn't sue you for defamation.

They couldn't because it's true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 08:59:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2020, 07:55:16 PM
Latest from DM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8877537/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-NEVER-questioned.html

"The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann may never be questioned by police as investigators say they do not have enough evidence and are just one witness away from justice."

I interpret that as meaning they have no credible witness at all

Just what I've said for weeks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 08:25:25 PM
Some people are so naive...this is a copy and paste click bait story in order to bolster advertising revenue

We all know Maddie is a cash cow for these reprobates.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 08:59:39 PM
Just what I've said for weeks.

I'm not sure if you are aware of all the developments in the case...Wolters is on record as saying they have evidence that is so strong of the murder of MM...and that CB murdered her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 08:59:39 PM
Just what I've said for weeks.

You have been saying for a couple of years that SY have no leads and are going nowhere...looks like you were wrong on that...there is a lead and there is an active investigation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 25, 2020, 09:40:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 08:25:25 PM
Some people are so naive...this is a copy and paste click bait story in order to bolster advertising revenue
Ive just read it in the Scottish Daily Record .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 25, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 09:08:24 PM
I'm not sure if you are aware of all the developments in the case...Wolters is on record as saying they have evidence that is so strong of the murder of MM...and that CB murdered her
Walters has done an about turn now though .

It’s an about-turn from the ­prosecutor, who has previously claimed police had “concrete” ­evidence that Madeleine is dead Hans Christian Wolters said there was no “forensic evidence” and what other clues they had were “not enough to get an arrest warrant”.
Wolters said he was “hopeful” ­missing evidence would be found for police to charge and interrogate Brueckner, 43, but added: “At the moment our evidence is strong, but not so strong we are sure he will be sentenced by the courts.
Wolters told the They’ve Taken Her podcast: “Maybe we need more witnesses or we need some photos or video.“
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/german-paedophile-suspected-abducting-madeleine-22900797
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 25, 2020, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
You have been saying for a couple of years that SY have no leads and are going nowhere...looks like you were wrong on that...there is a lead and there is an active investigation

SY are investigating a missing person, not a murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2020, 10:15:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 25, 2020, 10:08:48 PM
SY are investigating a missing person, not a murder.
They’re investigating an abduction and concede that Madeleine may be dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 25, 2020, 10:48:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2020, 10:15:20 PM
They’re investigating an abduction and concede that Madeleine may be dead.
A missing person ,may be dead yes . As might an abducted one . By SY say “ missing person”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2020, 11:02:21 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 25, 2020, 10:48:37 PM
A missing person ,may be dead yes . As might an abducted one . By SY say “ missing person”
And what do you read into that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 26, 2020, 03:40:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
You have been saying for a couple of years that SY have no leads and are going nowhere...looks like you were wrong on that...there is a lead and there is an active investigation

SY have no leads so stop posting disinformation. The Germans are clutching at straws and the Portuguese have lost interest.  All in all it looks like nothing has changed really in 13 years, Maddie is still missing and the mystery is no nearer to being solved than it was then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on October 26, 2020, 07:09:24 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 26, 2020, 03:40:51 AM
SY have no leads so stop posting disinformation. The Germans are clutching at straws and the Portuguese have lost interest.  All in all it looks like nothing has changed really in 13 years, Maddie is still missing and the mystery is no nearer to being solved than it was then.
people still believe maddie was  abducted  mcann supporters have  not  changed their stance in 13  + years
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 26, 2020, 07:11:09 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 26, 2020, 03:40:51 AM
SY have no leads so stop posting disinformation. The Germans are clutching at straws and the Portuguese have lost interest.  All in all it looks like nothing has changed really in 13 years, Maddie is still missing and the mystery is no nearer to being solved than it was then.
If SY have no leads why have they said they do, and why have they been recently granted more money to pursue it?  IMO it is you who is posting opinion as fact yet again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 07:53:17 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 25, 2020, 10:08:48 PM
SY are investigating a missing person, not a murder.

Because the Germans have not shared their evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 07:56:33 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 25, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Walters has done an about turn now though .

It’s an about-turn from the ­prosecutor, who has previously claimed police had “concrete” ­evidence that Madeleine is dead Hans Christian Wolters said there was no “forensic evidence” and what other clues they had were “not enough to get an arrest warrant”.
Wolters said he was “hopeful” ­missing evidence would be found for police to charge and interrogate Brueckner, 43, but added: “At the moment our evidence is strong, but not so strong we are sure he will be sentenced by the courts.
Wolters told the They’ve Taken Her podcast: “Maybe we need more witnesses or we need some photos or video.“
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/german-paedophile-suspected-atbducting-madeleine-22900797

There's no about turn. Wolters in the interview claims he has strong evidence Maddie is dead and his suspect killed her. He has always said he has no forensic evidence but has said he doesn't need it to go to trial.
The article is based on an interview in July.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 08:04:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 26, 2020, 03:40:51 AM
SY have no leads so stop posting disinformation. The Germans are clutching at straws and the Portuguese have lost interest.  All in all it looks like nothing has changed really in 13 years, Maddie is still missing and the mystery is no nearer to being solved than it was then.

Wolters has said his evidence is so strong it shows MM is dead.This could therefore prove abduction .
The evidence could be photographic as in the Rui Pedro case.
He says his strong evidence shows his suspect murdered MM.
This is a very strong statement in a country with strict privacy laws.
You may think the investigation hasn't moved in 13 years.   ...others see this as a major development and that's how I see it.
There are several reasons why CB has not yet been questioned.
Whatever happens I think HCW has near enough proof of abduction and murder.
We will see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:19:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 08:04:10 AM
Wolters has said his evidence is so strong it shows MM is dead.This could therefore prove abduction .
The evidence could be photographic as in the Rui Pedro case.
He says his strong evidence shows his suspect murdered MM.
This is a very strong statement in a country with strict privacy laws.
You may think the investigation hasn't moved in 13 years.   ...others see this as a major development and that's how I see it.
There are several reasons why CB has not yet been questioned.
Whatever happens I think HCW has near enough proof of abduction and murder.
We will see
Not having enough evidence equates to having no evidence at all. It's a pointless statement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 08:20:51 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on October 26, 2020, 07:09:24 AM
people still believe maddie was  abducted  mcann supporters have  not  changed their stance in 13  + years

That's because bit looks as though Maddie was abducted and it looks like the German's can prove it

All my opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 08:22:28 AM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:19:16 AM
Not having enough evidence equates to having no evidence at all. It's a pointless statement.
I assume that's an opinion, if not what qualifications in public prosecution do you have?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 08:25:19 AM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:19:16 AM
Not having enough evidence equates to having no evidence at all. It's a pointless statement.

More opinion as fact from you.

It depends how much evidence Wolters has..if he's prepared to say the evidence shows his suspect murdered Maddie it must be quite significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:27:08 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 07:56:33 AM
There's no about turn. Wolters in the interview claims he has strong evidence Maddie is dead and his suspect killed her. He has always said he has no forensic evidence but has said he doesn't need it to go to trial.
The article is based on an interview in July.
So he's hoping for an eye witness / corroborating witness who haven't come forward to date.
He's used up all his jailhouse snitches and has been waiting for 4 months for this witness to come forward.
That's not a thin case, that's no case at all and he staked his entire career on it; he'll be busted down to sanitation patrol by March.  All in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 08:25:19 AM
More opinion as fact from you.

It depends how much evidence Wolters has..if he's prepared to say the evidence shows his suspect murdered Maddie it must be quite significant
It doesn't matter how much evidence he's got, he's obviously put it before the prosecutor and he's been told to find more. So it's same as having none at all, because what he has got is utterly useless. If he gets more, then all well and good.
The fact that he hasn't interviewed CB is brinkmanship. At some point he will have to show his hand. If CB sits there and takes the nickel, which he will, then that's game over.  All in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 26, 2020, 08:31:42 AM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:27:08 AM
So he's hoping for an eye witness / corroborating witness who haven't come forward to date.
He's used up all his jailhouse snitches and has been waiting for 4 months for this witness to come forward.
That's not a thin case, that's no case at all and he staked his entire career on it; he'll be busted down to sanitation patrol by March.
What intrinsically is wrong with appealing to the public for more evidence about a suspect and why should doing so result in humiliation and demotion if none is forthcoming?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 08:33:50 AM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:27:08 AM
So he's hoping for an eye witness / corroborating witness who haven't come forward to date.
He's used up all his jailhouse snitches and has been waiting for 4 months for this witness to come forward.
That's not a thin case, that's no case at all and he staked his entire career on it; he'll be busted down to sanitation patrol by March.

You have not mnetioned his concrete evidence. In the past you have claimed incorectly that this evidence is the phone or snitches. Wolters has clearly said its neither of those. Wolters is  speaking for the BKK.......hes been speaking for them sibce June. Not one word of dissent a sto what he has said. I think you and others cant let go of your prejudice as regards the evidence. The only way you can expalin the situation is that Wolters is some sort of idiot...a bit like all the attacks on Redwood and SY when they supported abduction. I see it as your time is running out and you will have to acccept a lot of hard truths in the near future
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 08:37:22 AM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
It doesn't matter how much evidence he's got, he's obviously put it before the prosecutor and he's been told to find more. So it's same as having none at all, because what he has got is utterly useless. If he gets more, then all well and good.
The fact that he hasn't interviewed CB is brinkmanship. At some point he will have to show his hand. If CB sits there and takes the nickel, which he will, then that's game over.


IT will depend on the evidence. As Ive explained CBs silence could work against him. IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 08:37:22 AM

IT will depend on the evidence. As Ive explained CBs silence could work against him.
No it won't. You clearly don't understand, to use your trope.
It won't get that far. If he doesn't have enough information / evidence to charge him, and he doesn't, then there's nothing to be gained from interviewing a man who will keep schtum, except abject humiliation.
Your allusion to presumption of guilt is moot; there'll be no one to presume anything.  All in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 08:25:19 AM
More opinion as fact from you.

It depends how much evidence Wolters has..if he's prepared to say the evidence shows his suspect murdered Maddie it must be quite significant
Could it have been a bluff to get potential witnesses to offer some evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 08:48:05 AM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:41:54 AM
No it won't. You clearly don't understand, to use your trope.
It won't get that far. If he doesn't have enough information / evidence to charge him, and he doesn't, then there's nothing to be gained from interviewing a man who will keep schtum, except abject humiliation.
Your allusion to presumption of guilt is moot; there'll be no one to presume anything.

It seems I understand better tahn you......thats why I posted...depends on the evidence.

Imo wolters may well ahve enough evidence to go to trial now but hes in no hurry and due to double jeapordy may only get one shot. hence he wants to build a s strong a case as possible. Your whole argumnet is based on the asumption that Wolters has no evidence which im fairly sure is wrong.

As you might recall im taking a case to court. the suspects were able to say no comment at police interview with impunity. Failure to answer questions in court and offer a suitable explanation is another matter and can b eseen as  an inference of guilt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 08:49:45 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 08:46:09 AM
Could it have been a bluff to get potential witnesses to offer some evidence?

we have to look at what is probable not what is possible....everything is possible but not everything is probable Wolters has not wavered from his claim of concrete evidence for death and murder
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 08:51:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 08:49:45 AM
we have to look at what is probable not what is possible....everything is possible but not everything is probable Wolters has not wavered from his claim of concrete evidence for death and murder
But it wouldn't be an effective bluff if his story varied.    I don't mind waiting another year or so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 26, 2020, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 08:41:54 AM
No it won't. You clearly don't understand, to use your trope.
It won't get that far. If he doesn't have enough information / evidence to charge him, and he doesn't, then there's nothing to be gained from interviewing a man who will keep schtum, except abject humiliation.
Your allusion to presumption of guilt is moot; there'll be no one to presume anything.

He doesn't need to remain schtum, all he needs to say is that he has no knowledge of the girl or the family.  By talking to the press and media, Wolters has weakened his hand imho.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 08:59:38 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 26, 2020, 08:57:54 AM
He doesn't need to remain schtum, all he needs to say is that he has no knowledge of the girl or the family.

he will be asked to account for his movements on 3.4.5.6 may
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 08:59:45 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 08:51:41 AM
But it wouldn't be an effective bluff if his story varied.    I don't mind waiting another year or so.


The search engines canna take it, Captain  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 09:04:30 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 08:59:45 AM

The search engines canna take it, Captain  @)(++(*
Well, land it on the Hudson - Sully.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1B_gZcZScI
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 09:07:45 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 08:51:41 AM
But it wouldn't be an effective bluff if his story varied.    I don't mind waiting another year or so.

I don't think the Germans will invest that amount of time.
No advance by the end of the year and they'll give up - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 08:46:09 AM
Could it have been a bluff to get potential witnesses to offer some evidence?
That horse is 3 allotments away, Rob.
The snitches sniffed money / privileges / fags and came out from under every rock. So that tactic has played out.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 26, 2020, 09:24:47 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 09:07:45 AM
I don't think the Germans will invest that amount of time.
No advance by the end of the year and they'll give up - IMO
How much time do they usually invest, out of interest?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 09:24:02 AM
That horse is 3 allotments away, Rob.
The snitches sniffed money / privileges / fags and came out from under every rock. So that tactic has played out.
That is a problem too. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 26, 2020, 09:26:32 AM
Everyone claiming they know what's going on and predicting how it will all play out is on a hiding to nothing IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 09:29:40 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 26, 2020, 09:26:32 AM
Everyone claiming they know what's going on and predicting how it will all play out is on a hiding to nothing IMO.

Get real. This is a forum in cyberland. No one is on a hiding to nothing, irrespective of the ultimate outcome.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 09:35:45 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 09:29:40 AM
Get real. This is a forum in cyberland. No one is on a hiding to nothing, irrespective of the ultimate outcome.
Like we all have a face to save. I think some people think any of this is of any importance.
Whichever way it plays out, one side will just sign off and move on to the next semi-interesting 'mystery'.
The other side will collectively pat each other on the back and scoff at the collective idiocy of the other side, until they come to the slow realisation that, actually, the other side provided the symbiosis that is the lifeblood of any forum dialogue; yin and yang, Dempsey and Makepeace.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 26, 2020, 09:39:54 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 09:29:40 AM
Get real. This is a forum in cyberland. No one is on a hiding to nothing, irrespective of the ultimate outcome.
No, you get real.  I know what this forum is, and I know that everything written on it is ultimately worthless but I am entitled to my view, and I stand by it.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 09:41:55 AM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 09:35:45 AM
Like we all have a face to save. I think some people think any of this is of any importance.
Whichever way it plays out, one side will just sign off and move on to the next semi-interesting 'mystery'.
The other side will collectively pat each other on the back and scoff at the collective idiocy of the other side, until they come to the slow realisation that, actually, the other side provided the symbiosis that is the lifeblood of any forum dialogue; yin and yang, Dempsey and Makepeace.

Well certainly some seem to invest a lot of time and effort, between postings and downloading programs and other research findings, with which to amaze the rest of us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 26, 2020, 09:42:33 AM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 09:35:45 AM
Like we all have a face to save. I think some people think any of this is of any importance.
Whichever way it plays out, one side will just sign off and move on to the next semi-interesting 'mystery'.
The other side will collectively pat each other on the back and scoff at the collective idiocy of the other side, until they come to the slow realisation that, actually, the other side provided the symbiosis that is the lifeblood of any forum dialogue; yin and yang, Dempsey and Makepeace.
Only those who think they are doing valuable research believe that.  The rest of us know it's just a bit of a distraction from the stuff that's going on in real life.  Like, I shouldn't be on here now, I should be getting organised and preparing for the film crew which is turning up to video me and my business later today.   8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 09:44:30 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 26, 2020, 09:39:54 AM
No, you get real.  I know what this forum is, and I know that everything written on it is ultimately worthless but I am entitled to my view, and I stand by it.

Of course you are, but it doesn't influence peoples lives
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 09:53:47 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 26, 2020, 09:42:33 AM
Only those who think they are doing valuable research believe that.  The rest of us know it's just a bit of a distraction from the stuff that's going on in real life.  Like, I shouldn't be on here now, I should be getting organised and preparing for the film crew which is turning up to video me and my business later today.   8(>((
Break a leg (not literally).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 26, 2020, 10:04:32 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 08:51:41 AM
But it wouldn't be an effective bluff if his story varied.    I don't mind waiting another year or so.

I hope it doesn't take that long, Rob, but I'm with you in being content to await the outcome.  I am also very well aware that all of this must be torture for Madeleine's family and I wish them the strength to get through it and emerge safe and well on the other side.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on October 26, 2020, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 25, 2020, 11:15:18 AM
Well he is isn't he?  He has had so much hope in Wolters and now he (Wolters) has had to admit he has nothing. All that misplaced bravado and those enthusiastic newspaper headlines about his claims re Brueckner worth nothing. If Brueckner had anything connecting Brueckner to Maddie he could have charged him but he hasn't and he can't.

Sorry?   I must have missed Wolters saying he had nothing.   He said he hasn't enough to prosecute that is quite different.   CB is locked up  he isn't going anywhere IMO he will keep searching for more evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 10:19:18 AM
Quote from: Lace on October 26, 2020, 10:13:04 AM
Sorry?   I must have missed Wolters saying he had nothing.   He said he hasn't enough to prosecute that is quite different.   CB is locked up  he isn't going anywhere IMO he will keep searching for more evidence.

It's not as if the evidence is  there, just hiding away, waiting to be found.
There may  simply be no evidence to nail Brueckner, however hard one looks for it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 26, 2020, 09:26:32 AM
Everyone claiming they know what's going on and predicting how it will all play out is on a hiding to nothing IMO.
They can't accept they have been wrong for 13 years imo..it's clear to me that HCW has a lot of evidence against CB  and perhaps even proof of Maddie's death
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 10:53:58 AM
If the Germans have proof of Madeleine's abduction and death..which based on what WCH has said is possible...then what does that say for amarals  theory and credibility. Perhaps that's why some are do keen to write off HCW.....a difficulty in accepting the truth perhaps
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 26, 2020, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 10:19:18 AM
It's not as if the evidence is  there, just hiding away, waiting to be found.
There may  simply be no evidence to nail Brueckner, however hard one looks for it

Evidence might even be found which exonerates Brueckner ~ who knows what Ace he might be hiding up his sleeve.

Other people have been investigated since 2007 and once the investigation has 'cleared' them it progresses to follow a different line of enquiry which has brought investigators to where they are today.

The farcical thing about it all in my opinion is the evident vigour with which some defend this unlovable rogue's right to the presumption of innocence. While the same people see no dichotomy in trampling Madeleine's parents' human rights into the dust with renewed vigour.

Very strange behaviour I think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 26, 2020, 11:04:20 AM
Evidence might even be found which exonerates Brueckner ~ who knows what Ace he might be hiding up his sleeve.

Other people have been investigated since 2007 and once the investigation has 'cleared' them it progresses to follow a different line of enquiry which has brought investigators to where they are today.

The farcical thing about it all in my opinion is the evident vigour with which some defend this unlovable rogue's right to the presumption of innocence. While the same people see no dichotomy in trampling Madeleine's parents' human rights into the dust with renewed vigour.

Very strange behaviour I think.

Not sure why you bothered to tag your post onto mine as I have never made any attempt to defend Brueckner or proclaim his innocence.

The point remains though, that convenient suspect though he may be, there may be no evidence  that links Brueckner to Madeleine, however long and hard one looks,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 26, 2020, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 26, 2020, 11:04:20 AM
Evidence might even be found which exonerates Brueckner ~ who knows what Ace he might be hiding up his sleeve.

Other people have been investigated since 2007 and once the investigation has 'cleared' them it progresses to follow a different line of enquiry which has brought investigators to where they are today.

The farcical thing about it all in my opinion is the evident vigour with which some defend this unlovable rogue's right to the presumption of innocence. While the same people see no dichotomy in trampling Madeleine's parents' human rights into the dust with renewed vigour.

Very strange behaviour I think.

In my opinion it's the media who have overstepped the mark in respect of CB and the McCanns, by publicising all kinds of rumour and speculation. As to whether others have defended or trampled on anyone's human rights, that's a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 26, 2020, 11:29:15 AM
In my opinion it's the media who have overstepped the mark in respect of CB and the McCanns, by publicising all kinds of rumour and speculation. As to whether others have defended or trampled on anyone's human rights, that's a matter of opinion.

Surely the most guilty is Amaral with his book
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 26, 2020, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 11:19:59 AM
Not sure why you bothered to tag your post onto mine as I have never made any attempt to defend Brueckner or proclaim his innocence.

The point remains though, that convenient suspect though he may be, there may be no evidence  that links Brueckner to Madeleine, however long and hard one looks,

You were talking about evidence in your post ... I spoke of evidence in return.

You were talking about Brueckner ... I responded with reference to Brueckner.

Is there a specific protocol for whose post you chose to respond to and who you prefer to respond to yours?  I don't think so and until there is you are just going to have to muck in with the rest of us and bear in mind you are a member of a discussion forum and that is what some of us attempt to do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 11:43:16 AM
Surely the most guilty is Amaral with his book
Guilty of exercising his freedom of expression? Perhaps we should start burning books like Fahrenheit 451.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 12:03:37 PM
Guilty of exercising his freedom of expression? Perhaps we should start burning books like Fahrenheit 451.

There is no such thing as total freedom of expression..as defined by the law
It's odd that you cite freedom of expression yet ofject to the naming of CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
There is no such thing as total freedom of expression..as defined by the law
He never transgressed any law. In fact his actions received a ringing endorsement.
If anything he should feel aggrieved for loss of book sales in the UK.
He'd have been sat on Richard and Judy's book club and conducting book signings in Waterstones by now if it wasn't for spurious injunctions. IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 26, 2020, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 11:43:16 AM
Surely the most guilty is Amaral with his book

In your opinion, but efforts to prove that in the Portuguese Courts failed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
There is no such thing as total freedom of expression..as defined by the law
It's odd that you cite freedom of expression yet ofject to the naming of CB
Nice late edit there.
You're referring to two very succinct concepts. And I don't object to the naming of CB, I object to the naming of all individuals who haven't even been charged with an offence, let alone charged and not yet processed through the judicial system.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 26, 2020, 12:24:07 PM
In your opinion, but efforts to prove that in the Portuguese Courts failed.

You quoted your opinion I quoted mine...and the SC quoted theirs...doesn't mean they are right...that will be decided by the ECHR.. According to figures you quoted they have a very poor record when challenged
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
He never transgressed any law. In fact his actions received a ringing endorsement.
If anything he should feel aggrieved for loss of book sales in the UK.
He'd have been sat on Richard and Judy's book club and conducting book signings in Waterstones by now if it wasn't for spurious injunctions. IMO
Why do you think he hasn't released it in the UK... because it would be judged libellous

He may well have transgressed ECHR law
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 26, 2020, 12:39:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 12:34:50 PM
You quoted your opinion I quoted mine...and the SC quoted theirs...doesn't mean they are right...that will be decided by the ECHR.. According to figures you quoted they have a very poor record when challenged

I dimly remember some figures, but not that they showed a 'very poor record'. Perhaps that was your opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 12:46:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 26, 2020, 12:39:25 PM
I dimly remember some figures, but not that they showed a 'very poor record'. Perhaps that was your opinion.
I remember fairly well...I seem to remember a success rate of around 13 % for Portugal at the ECHR
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 12:46:48 PM
Whatever happened to that ECHR appeal - still pending ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
He never transgressed any law. In fact his actions received a ringing endorsement.
If anything he should feel aggrieved for loss of book sales in the UK.
He'd have been sat on Richard and Judy's book club and conducting book signings in Waterstones by now if it wasn't for spurious injunctions. IMO

Wrong.  It was The British Laws of Libel.  No British Publisher was going to risk that.  Portugal can please itself. 

I don't know if it will all come back to bite them and I don't really care anymore.  Amaral is a lost, sad sack.  A Convicted Liar, A Convicted Thief and A Proven Adulterer.  I very much doubt that Portugal is proud of him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 26, 2020, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 12:55:50 PM
Wrong.  It was The British Laws of Libel.  No British Publisher was going to risk that.  Portugal can please itself. 

I don't know if it will all come back to bite them and I don't really care anymore.  Amaral is a lost, sad sack.  A Convicted Liar, A Convicted Thief and A Proven Adulterer.  I very much doubt that Portugal is proud of him.
That's not true - I said he never transgressed any law - the book wasn't published.
....and there's probably more 'concerned citizens' who give two short ones on here than in the entire nation of Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 26, 2020, 01:20:03 PM
Quote from: carlymichelle on October 26, 2020, 07:09:24 AM
people still believe maddie was  abducted  mcann supporters have  not  changed their stance in 13  + years

Why haven't we changed our stance ?  Because we believe it and have real reason to do so..IMO

Your side has had to modify its stance because of Amarals deceit being exposed and because the obviousness that he didn't understand the non-evidence of Eddie and keela amongst other things. IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 26, 2020, 12:39:25 PM
I dimly remember some figures, but not that they showed a 'very poor record'. Perhaps that was your opinion.

Out of 31 cases that reached judgement 27 were found to have breached at least one human right...with only 3 out of 31 showing no violation

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jan/27/european-court-human-rights-judgments
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 26, 2020, 01:54:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 01:34:10 PM
Out of 31 cases that reached judgement 27 were found to have breached at least one human right

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jan/27/european-court-human-rights-judgments

Can't see Portugal mentioned there Dave.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 01:57:51 PM
Quote from: The General on October 26, 2020, 01:19:25 PM
That's not true - I said he never transgressed any law - the book wasn't published.
....and there's probably more 'concerned citizens' who give two short ones on here than in the entire nation of Portugal.

Of course it wasn't published in UK.  And was never going to be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 02:05:14 PM
Quote from: sadie on October 26, 2020, 01:54:48 PM
Can't see Portugal mentioned there Dave.   Is this a case of Internet MagicKal interference, or …. ?

its in the table near the bottom
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 02:06:50 PM
As it was made freely available on the internet to those who wished to read it, there was no need to run foul of the law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 26, 2020, 02:33:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 26, 2020, 11:04:20 AM
Evidence might even be found which exonerates Brueckner ~ who knows what Ace he might be hiding up his sleeve.

Other people have been investigated since 2007 and once the investigation has 'cleared' them it progresses to follow a different line of enquiry which has brought investigators to where they are today.

The farcical thing about it all in my opinion is the evident vigour with which some defend this unlovable rogue's right to the presumption of innocence. While the same people see no dichotomy in trampling Madeleine's parents' human rights into the dust with renewed vigour.

Very strange behaviour I think.

Why have you twisted unnecessarily not believing CB is the abductor -  is not defending his rights to presumption of innocence.

 If you don't believe the mccs version of events there IMO wasn't an abduction. .

What was trampled to the dust was Maddie human rights who had a right to protection and wast given it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 26, 2020, 02:33:45 PM
Why have you twisted unnecessarily not believing CB is the abductor -  is not defending his rights to presumption of innocence.

 If you don't believe the mccs version of events there IMO wasn't an abduction. .

What was trampled to the dust was Maddie human rights who had a right to protection and wast given it.
maddie had  a right to life...according to HCW that was taken away from her by CB. Im fairly sure based on whats been said that the Germans have proof of abduction and murder......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 26, 2020, 02:45:48 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 26, 2020, 02:33:45 PM
Why have you twisted unnecessarily not believing CB is the abductor -  is not defending his rights to presumption of innocence.

 If you don't believe the mccs version of events there IMO wasn't an abduction. .

What was trampled to the dust was Maddie human rights who had a right to protection and wast given it.

In my opinion the fact that you do not appear to realise that you have just traduced Madeleine's parents yet again in your posts appears to prove that you do not understand the concept of presumption of innocence as it should apply to everyone until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 26, 2020, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 26, 2020, 02:45:48 PM
In my opinion the fact that you do not appear to realise that you have just traduced Madeleine's parents yet again in your posts appears to prove that you do not understand the concept of presumption of innocence as it should apply to everyone until proven otherwise.

Doesn't always work like that does it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 02:06:50 PM
As it was made freely available on the internet to those who wished to read it, there was no need to run foul of the law.

No money in that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 02:58:35 PM
No money in that.

Money isn't everything and he wanted to get his message out.  IMO

UK libel laws couldn't prevent that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 03:03:29 PM
Money isn't everything and he wanted to get his message out.  IMO

UK libel laws couldn't prevent that

Amaral wanted to get his Opinion out.  Which for an Ex PJ Officer is appalling.

He asked his Task Masters if he could publish his book while still employed and they said No.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 03:41:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 03:38:43 PM
Amaral wanted to get his Opinion out.  Which for an Ex PJ Officer is appalling.

He asked his Task Masters if he could publish his book while still employed and they said No.

Who are you to judge ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 03:45:00 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 03:41:23 PM
Who are you to judge ?

The PJ did that.  I just know that Amaral was never to be trusted.

Cristovao wrote a book and so Amaral thought that he would do so as well.

And we all know where Cristovao is now.  Bunch of blimmin crooks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 09:29:40 AM
Get real. This is a forum in cyberland. No one is on a hiding to nothing, irrespective of the ultimate outcome.
As moderators we get to see how real it is when we give warning points for debatable posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 05:02:08 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 04:52:43 PM
As moderators we get to see how real it is when we give warning points for debatable posts.

Sometimes unfairly.

Warning Points are there just for a bit of fun and because you feel aggrieved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 05:10:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 05:02:08 PM
Sometimes unfairly.

Warning Points are there just for a bit of fun and because you feel aggrieved.
It has never been explained to me fully.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 05:21:58 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 05:10:05 PM
It has never been explained to me fully.

Think about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 26, 2020, 05:21:58 PM
Think about it.
I tend not to use warning points at all. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 26, 2020, 05:44:59 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 05:32:57 PM
I tend not to use warning points at all.

Which is just as well as you obviously don’t understand the criteria by which they are awarded.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 26, 2020, 05:44:59 PM
Which is just as well as you obviously don’t understand the criteria by which they are awarded.
I'll ignore that comment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 26, 2020, 06:05:09 PM
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6071050/madeleine-mccann-cops-praia-da-luz-christian-b/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 26, 2020, 06:37:30 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 26, 2020, 06:05:09 PM
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6071050/madeleine-mccann-cops-praia-da-luz-christian-b/

I wonder what lead the Portuguese police are following?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 06:42:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 26, 2020, 06:37:30 PM
I wonder what lead the Portuguese police are following?

“Most specifically there are unanswered questions about [Christian B's] movements in the days and weeks after [Madeleine] vanished.

exactly what I suggested some weeks ago
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 26, 2020, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 26, 2020, 06:37:30 PM
I wonder what lead the Portuguese police are following?
  Are they following any? It's the Germans who want to follow up a last lead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 26, 2020, 06:48:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 06:42:27 PM
  Are they following any? It's the Germans who want to follow up a last lead.

I’m assuming they are as we haven’t heard that they are winding down their investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 26, 2020, 06:50:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 26, 2020, 06:48:46 PM
I’m assuming they are as we haven’t heard that they are winding down their investigation.
And look silly for the second time!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 26, 2020, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 26, 2020, 06:42:27 PM
  Are they following any? It's the Germans who want to follow up a last lead.
Nah, the Portuguese police can’t be arsed to follow leads, it’s too much like hard work.  As their suspects refuse to help cooperate in building a case against themselves, the PJ would rather sit back and wait....forever it seems.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2020, 06:56:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 26, 2020, 06:42:08 PM
“Most specifically there are unanswered questions about [Christian B's] movements in the days and weeks after [Madeleine] vanished.

exactly what I suggested some weeks ago


if they have proof or strong evidence of death then this could be a part of building a circumstantial case..wolters has said he does not need  a body or foresnsic evidence...enough pieces of the jigsaw...enough circumstantial will do. its good to see it appears to be exactly as I predicted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 27, 2020, 06:03:15 AM
Last roll of the dice?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6204134/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-portugal-police

LAST RESORT Madeleine McCann cops set to return to Praia Da Luz for ‘final roll of dice’ in bid to prove Christian B killed her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 27, 2020, 07:29:10 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 27, 2020, 06:03:15 AM
Last roll of the dice?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6204134/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-portugal-police

LAST RESORT Madeleine McCann cops set to return to Praia Da Luz for ‘final roll of dice’ in bid to prove Christian B killed her
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-probe-chasing-important-9389490.amp

Last roll of the dice 2016...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 27, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 27, 2020, 07:29:10 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-probe-chasing-important-9389490.amp

Last roll of the dice 2016...

Wow!! that must have been one great throw if it started nine years after Madeleine disappeared and it is still rolling in 2020.

Wonder if that's tabloid speak as opposed to substantial sourced information?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 27, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 27, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
Wow!! that must have been one great throw if it started nine years after Madeleine disappeared and it is still rolling in 2020.

Wonder if that's tabloid speak as opposed to substantial sourced information?

The undercover operation revealed by Brunt....I wonder how that’s progressing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 27, 2020, 02:51:09 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 27, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
The undercover operation revealed by Brunt....I wonder how that’s progressing.

or if it even still exists..Brunt wasnt sure
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2020, 03:46:06 PM

Is there a Jury System in Germany?  And how much weight would a Judge have?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 27, 2020, 03:48:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 27, 2020, 03:46:06 PM
Is there a Jury System in Germany?  And how much weight would a Judge have?

as I understand No...its just Judges
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2020, 04:27:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 27, 2020, 03:48:55 PM
as I understand No...its just Judges

Thank You.  I never have though that Juries were a good idea.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 27, 2020, 06:02:36 PM
Behind a paywall.One of the tales will be right in the end.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/police-officers-scotland-yard-attended-secret-meeting-portugal/


Police officers from Scotland Yard have attended a "secret" meeting in Lisbon with their Portuguese and German counterparts to work out where Madeleine McCann could be buried, reports claim....

From a link on Textusa.Google translate.Behind another paywall.

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/encontro-secreto-para-encontrar-madeleine-mccann?ref=Pesquisa_Destaques

PJ joins English and German police in secret meeting to find Maddie
DNA does not place a suspect in the apartment, but there is evidence of involvement in other crimes.
The meeting was secret and it took place recently in Lisbon’s PJ. It joined the English and German authorities and had as objective gathering evidence to find Madeleine McCann. For now, the data remains circumstantial, but the Germans have already taken the elements of two other processes, which allow...”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 27, 2020, 06:06:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 27, 2020, 06:02:36 PM
Behind a paywall.One of the tales will be right in the end.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/police-officers-scotland-yard-attended-secret-meeting-portugal/


Police officers from Scotland Yard have attended a "secret" meeting in Lisbon with their Portuguese and German counterparts to work out where Madeleine McCann could be buried, reports claim....

From a link on Textusa.Google translate.Behind another paywall.

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/encontro-secreto-para-encontrar-madeleine-mccann?ref=Pesquisa_Destaques

PJ joins English and German police in secret meeting to find Maddie
DNA does not place a suspect in the apartment, but there is evidence of involvement in other crimes.
The meeting was secret and it took place recently in Lisbon’s PJ. It joined the English and German authorities and had as objective gathering evidence to find Madeleine McCann. For now, the data remains circumstantial, but the Germans have already taken the elements of two other processes, which allow...”

will be copy and pasted in other papers soon
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2020, 06:08:52 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 27, 2020, 06:02:36 PM
Behind a paywall.One of the tales will be right in the end.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/police-officers-scotland-yard-attended-secret-meeting-portugal/


Police officers from Scotland Yard have attended a "secret" meeting in Lisbon with their Portuguese and German counterparts to work out where Madeleine McCann could be buried, reports claim....

From a link on Textusa.Google translate.Behind another paywall.

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/encontro-secreto-para-encontrar-madeleine-mccann?ref=Pesquisa_Destaques

PJ joins English and German police in secret meeting to find Maddie
DNA does not place a suspect in the apartment, but there is evidence of involvement in other crimes.
The meeting was secret and it took place recently in Lisbon’s PJ. It joined the English and German authorities and had as objective gathering evidence to find Madeleine McCann. For now, the data remains circumstantial, but the Germans have already taken the elements of two other processes, which allow...”
Good to see they are all co-operating at long last, and (it seems) pursuing the German line of enquiry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 27, 2020, 06:11:28 PM
https://newsdaily.com.ng/brit-madeleine-mccann-cops-hold-crunch-meeting-with-german-portuguese-police-in-lisbon-in-bid-to-find-missing-toddler/


Brit Madeleine McCann cops hold crunch meeting with German & Portuguese police in Lisbon in bid to find missing toddler
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
So everyone on here who was certain the PJ  well searches were nothing to do Madeleine McCann, what do you say to this?

The PJ handed over information relating to searches that had been carried out at locations in the Algarve but turned up nothing, Correio da Manha said.

It added: “Wells and ditches have been looked at with a fine tooth comb, but no signs of the remains of the missing girl have been found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 27, 2020, 06:38:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 27, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
So everyone on here who was certain the PJ  well searches were nothing to do Madeleine McCann, what do you say to this?

The PJ handed over information relating to searches that had been carried out at locations in the Algarve but turned up nothing, Correio da Manha said.

It added: “Wells and ditches have been looked at with a fine tooth comb, but no signs of the remains of the missing girl have been found.
I think in the near future sceptics ar going to be proven wrong about almost everything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2020, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 27, 2020, 06:38:35 PM
I think in the near future sceptics ar going to be proven wrong about almost everything
The General as I recall busted a gut trying to persuade us that the well searches were all about some murdered guy.  Wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 27, 2020, 06:49:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 27, 2020, 06:38:35 PM
I think in the near future sceptics ar going to be proven wrong about almost everything

You wish. Lets wait for an actual developmment
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 27, 2020, 06:52:08 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 27, 2020, 06:49:47 PM
You wish. Lets wait for an actual developmment

Theres already been one...strong evidence of murder which could aso be strong evidence of abduction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 27, 2020, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 27, 2020, 06:49:47 PM
You wish. Lets wait for an actual developmment
My sons are working on it as we speak.  Realityvirtual.com.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 27, 2020, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 27, 2020, 06:52:08 PM
Theres already been one...strong evidence of murder which could aso be strong evidence of abduction
Mere mumblings out of the mouth of a mortal. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 27, 2020, 07:11:10 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 27, 2020, 06:54:57 PM
Mere mumblings out of the mouth of a mortal.

Not really...he doesnt mumble
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 27, 2020, 07:17:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 27, 2020, 07:11:10 PM
Not really...he doesnt mumble
Mere mutterings out of the mouth of a mortal.  We need something more than words.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 27, 2020, 07:31:31 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on October 27, 2020, 07:17:50 PM
Mere mutterings out of the mouth of a mortal.  We need something more than words.

patience
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 27, 2020, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 27, 2020, 06:06:50 PM
will be copy and pasted in other papers soon

Remember

‘ I wouldnt believe everything you read in the papers’  says Davel
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 27, 2020, 08:21:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 27, 2020, 07:59:22 PM
Remember

‘ I wouldnt believe everything you read in the papers’  says Davel

Note I say don't believe everything ...not anything....work out the difference..and as regards Wolters I'm going by what he has said live in interviews on TV...not newspapers
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 28, 2020, 07:40:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 27, 2020, 07:59:22 PM
Remember

‘ I wouldnt believe everything you read in the papers’  says Davel

With the stories in the last few days now is the time  to remember again the sage words of Mark Rowley 2017;

The question posed: There was a report recently that there was an international manhunt in regards to a person you were interested in talking to, maybe not even a suspect, maybe a witness?

Answer
MR: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 28, 2020, 08:08:15 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 28, 2020, 07:40:43 PM
With the stories in the last few days now is the time  to remember again the sage words of Mark Rowley 2017;

The question posed: There was a report recently that there was an international manhunt in regards to a person you were interested in talking to, maybe not even a suspect, maybe a witness?

Answer
MR: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.
Can we also remember the sage words of all those on here who said that the newspapers had lost interest in the story or were fearful of being sued?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 29, 2020, 01:28:06 AM
More information gathering in Madeleine McCann case
in News · 28-10-2020 09:37:00
German and British authorities have allegedly been back in Portugal to gather more information in the Madeleine McCann case.

According to reports, they have also returned to gather evidence to form accusations against a German national identified as Christian B. – who is a suspect in Madeline’s disappearance from a holiday resort in Praia da Luz in May 2007 – in another two cases. They are said to have met with Portuguese PJ police in Lisbon to profile the suspect and exchange information. The German, who is currently serving a prison sentence in Germany for raping a 72-year-old woman in Portugal, denies any involvement in Madeline’s disappearance.
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/more-information-gathering-in-madeleine-mccann-case/56403
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2020, 09:46:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 29, 2020, 01:28:06 AM
More information gathering in Madeleine McCann case
in News · 28-10-2020 09:37:00
German and British authorities have allegedly been back in Portugal to gather more information in the Madeleine McCann case.

According to reports, they have also returned to gather evidence to form accusations against a German national identified as Christian B. – who is a suspect in Madeline’s disappearance from a holiday resort in Praia da Luz in May 2007 – in another two cases. They are said to have met with Portuguese PJ police in Lisbon to profile the suspect and exchange information. The German, who is currently serving a prison sentence in Germany for raping a 72-year-old woman in Portugal, denies any involvement in Madeline’s disappearance.
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/more-information-gathering-in-madeleine-mccann-case/56403

Gather evidence? doubt that!

it is a PJ investigation- exchanging information probably ,but that can be done by telephone/zoom/ms teams /skype /wewbex chats.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 30, 2020, 09:48:56 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2020, 09:46:08 PM
Gather evidence? doubt that!

it is a PJ investigation- exchanging information probably ,but that can be done by telephone/zoom/ms teams /skype /wewbex chats.
Not sure if you have used any of those media...I have. Nothing compares to a live meeting...I think the PJ are playing third fiddle here. The Germans have the evidence...the Portuguese dont
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2020, 09:58:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 30, 2020, 09:48:56 PM
Not sure if you have used any of those media...I have. Nothing compares to a live meeting...I think the PJ are playing third fiddle here. The Germans have the evidence...the Portuguese dont

Face to face is better, however we have a serious  global pandemic. travel and F2F should not be encouraged. especially in a historic missing child case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 30, 2020, 10:02:26 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2020, 09:58:01 PM
Face to face is better, however we have a serious  global pandemic. travel and F2F should not be encouraged. especially in a historic missing child case.

It isn't up to you...there are plenty of face to face meetings taking place
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 01, 2020, 04:20:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 30, 2020, 10:02:26 PM
It isn't up to you...there are plenty of face to face meetings taking place
There won't be much to say!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 01, 2020, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 01, 2020, 04:20:42 AM
There won't be much to say!

I think they had a lot to discuss and theirs a lot more to come. The fact that SY have been given further funds is a pointer
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 01, 2020, 11:05:15 AM
Enough frivolity,whats happening to the master criminal, no salacious gossip? no charges yet,won't be long or maybe not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 01, 2020, 11:06:58 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 01, 2020, 11:05:15 AM
Enough frivolity,whats happening to the master criminal, no salacious gossip? no charges yet,won't be long or maybe not.
I think you need to read this thread from the beginning.  Did you notice it is now 600 pages!   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 01, 2020, 08:35:14 PM
we're all just waiting for the next announcement. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 01, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
Preferably from someone who knows what (s)he's talking about
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 03, 2020, 10:53:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 01, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
Preferably from someone who knows what (s)he's talking about
Do you mean an article in the Sun?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 04, 2020, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 03, 2020, 10:53:46 PM
Do you mean an article in the Sun?

I'm hoping for something more authoritative.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 04, 2020, 09:04:41 AM
I'm hoping for something more authoritative.

I think Wolters has learned something that the British police already knew. Tell the media only what you want them to publicise and no more. Mark Rowley and Pedro do Carmo showed how to do it in their 2017 interviews, they gave very little away. In particular his claim to have concrete evidence that Madeleine was killed by CB I find confusing, because that would usually lead to an arrest and questioning at the very least in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 10:06:18 AM
I think Wolters has learned something that the British police already knew. Tell the media only what you want them to publicise and no more. Mark Rowley and Pedro do Carmo showed how to do it in their 2017 interviews, they gave very little away. In particular his claim to have concrete evidence that Madeleine was killed by CB I find confusing, because that would usually lead to an arrest and questioning at the very least in my opinion.

I think you are being simplistic. There may well be other reasons why CB is not being questioned....some of which I have already given. The fact is hes given a very clear statement implicating Cb in a country where privacy laws are very strict. This implies to me he really does have strong evidence.

it wasnt so long ago that sceptics were criticising SY for not giving out information. ...complaining that SY were going nowhere
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 04, 2020, 10:53:13 AM

Softly, softly, catchee monkey.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 10:25:45 AM
i think you are being simplistic. thdere may well be other reasons why CB is not being questioned....some of which i have already given. the fact is hes given a very clear staement implicating Cb in a country wher eprivacy laws are very strict. thuis implies to me hwe really does have strong evidence.

it wasnt so long ago that sceptics were criticising SY for not giving out information. ...complaining that SY were going nowhere

You use words such as think, may and imply. Clearly you are speculating. The fact is that Wolters has admitted he can't arrest or charge his suspect, so whatever evidence he has is immaterial in reality. Only if he gets more can he progress and have his evidence tested in a court of law.

In my opinion Operation Grange has not progressed since their numbers were reduced.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 11:52:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 11:03:05 AM
You use words such as think, may and imply. Clearly you are speculating. The fact is that Wolters has admitted he can't arrest or charge his suspect, so whatever evidence he has is immaterial in reality. Only if he gets more can he progress and have his evidence tested in a court of law.

In my opinion Operation Grange has not progressed since their numbers were reduced.

Im reaching conclusions based on what is being said....the whole forum is based on speculation.

You are wrong to suggest any evidence is immaterial in reality...quite wrong. If Wolters has strong evidence or perhaps even proof maddie was abducted and killed that is far from immaterial. His problem may be that he doesnt have proof that CB is responsible.

We have  a lot of live direct statements from Wolters...Its possible to reach conclusions based on those.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 11:03:05 AM
You use words such as think, may and imply. Clearly you are speculating. The fact is that Wolters has admitted he can't arrest or charge his suspect, so whatever evidence he has is immaterial in reality. Only if he gets more can he progress and have his evidence tested in a court of law.

In my opinion Operation Grange has not progressed since their numbers were reduced.

Grime used words such as ..opinion...possible...suggestive...may. So you would have to accept he was speculating.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 11:52:59 AM
Im reaching conclusions based on what is being said....the whole forum is based on speculation.

You are wrong to suggest any evidence is immaterial in reality...quite wrong. If Wolters has strong evidence or perhaps even proof maddie was abducted and killed that is far from immaterial. His problem may be that he doesnt have proof that CB is responsible.

We have  a lot of live direct statements from Wolters...Its possible to reach conclusions based on those.

It's immaterial until it's tested in court. Until then it's all speculation, no matter what Wolters thinks or what conclusions you have drawn from his words.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 01:22:26 PM
It's immaterial until it's tested in court. Until then it's all speculation, no matter what Wolters thinks or what conclusions you have drawn from his words.

If they have a photograph of the abuse of Maddie...as they did in the Rui Pedro case...that is in no way immaterial. Some evidence does not need to be tested in court

It's possible to have proof of death without it even getting to court
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 04, 2020, 01:51:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 01:22:26 PM
It's immaterial until it's tested in court. Until then it's all speculation, no matter what Wolters thinks or what conclusions you have drawn from his words.

Indeed, Wolters is a prosecutor, not a judge, therefore the significance and meaning of whatever evidence he has is purely his opinion.  The judges will decide the significance of his concrete evidence - if they ever get to  see it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 01:25:02 PM
If they have a photograph of the abuse of Maddie...as they did in the Rui Pedro case...that is in no way immaterial. Some evidence does not need to be tested in court

It's possible bto have proof of death without it even getting to court

If, at the moment, they have a photo, then it's a photo of a girl they think is Madeleine. In order for it to become accepted as a photo of her it needs to be identified by people who knew her, just as Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça's mother travelled to Geneva and searched through thousands of photos in order to identify him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 02:36:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 02:22:31 PM
If, at the moment, they have a photo, then it's a photo of a girl they think is Madeleine. In order for it to become accepted as a photo of her it needs to be identified by people who knew her, just as Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça's mother travelled to Geneva and searched through thousands of photos in order to identify him.
We don't know what is happening on that front...facial recognition may mean that isn't necessary...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 11:52:59 AM
Im reaching conclusions based on what is being said....the whole forum is based on speculation.

You are wrong to suggest any evidence is immaterial in reality...quite wrong. If Wolters has strong evidence or perhaps even proof maddie was abducted and killed that is far from immaterial. His problem may be that he doesnt have proof that CB is responsible.

We have  a lot of live direct statements from Wolters...Its possible to reach conclusions based on those.
IF, If, if,  it is still "if" no matter how it is spelled.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:47:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 02:22:31 PM
If, at the moment, they have a photo, then it's a photo of a girl they think is Madeleine. In order for it to become accepted as a photo of her it needs to be identified by people who knew her, just as Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça's mother travelled to Geneva and searched through thousands of photos in order to identify him.
As I was trying to define, what are the important identifiers of Madeleine McCann?  I was struggling when doing that deleted thread, but I'm fairly sure I can now prove which photos are not Madeleine.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:40:20 PM
IF, If, if,  it is still "if" no matter how it is spelled.
There are different degrees of uncertainty..I think it's relatively certain HCW has compelling evidence.

Strange that neither you nor gunit pointed out that Ady was presenting his opinions as fact

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:49:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 02:36:25 PM
We don't know what is happening on that front...facial recognition may mean that isn't necessary...
I would love to see the results of that analysis.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 02:49:43 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:47:52 PM
As I was trying to define, what are the important identifiers of Madeleine McCann?  I was struggling when doing that deleted thread, but I'm fairly sure I can now prove which photos are not Madeleine.   

I doubt you can do anything of the kind...I find that quite a preposterous suggestion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:53:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 02:48:21 PM
There are different degrees of uncertainty..I think it's relatively certain HCW has compelling evidence.

Strange that neither you nor gunit pointed out that Ady was presenting his opinions as fact
Well, I was pointing out he was wrong due to certain factors.  I would never say SA was fact, but it definitely a damaging opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:53:05 PM
Well, I was pointing out he was wrong due to certain factors.  I would never say SA was fact, but it definitely a damaging opinion.
You think Ady has provided a damaging opinion...I think he's made a fool of himself
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 02:49:43 PM
I doubt you can do anything of the kind...I find that quite a preposterous suggestion
It is an opinion, that is compelling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 04, 2020, 02:55:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 02:36:25 PM
We don't know what is happening on that front...facial recognition may mean that isn't necessary...

Like everything else since 2007 with perhaps the exception of the McCann sceptic view point , there have been leaps and bounds made in technology some of it enabling an accuracy denied the human eye.
I think facial recognition may fall into that category.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:56:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
You think Ady has provided a damaging opinion...I think he's made a fool of himself
Do you think he has changed his mind?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:56:45 PM
Do you think he has changed his mind?

No
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
It is an opinion, that is compelling.

It's compelling  in your opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
It's compelling  in your opinion
Yip.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 04, 2020, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:47:52 PM
As I was trying to define, what are the important identifiers of Madeleine McCann?  I was struggling when doing that deleted thread, but I'm fairly sure I can now prove which photos are not Madeleine.   

I struggle sometimes to differentiate between individual photographs of my daughters when they were younger..  They weren't obviously alike when they were together but when looking back at them in photographs when the youngest was the same age as her siblings were when photographed ~ they actually are almost identical.
Just mirror images of each other.

Therefore I think it could prove difficult to identify photographs of a loved one with a 100% accuracy so checking images out electronically as Davel has said might well be the answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 03:12:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 04, 2020, 02:55:23 PM
Like everything else since 2007 with perhaps the exception of the McCann sceptic view point , there have been leaps and bounds made in technology some of it enabling an accuracy denied the human eye.
I think facial recognition may fall into that category.

Would sceptics trust family members in this case...I'm thinking Maxim de Winter
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 04, 2020, 03:09:42 PM
I struggle sometimes to differentiate between individual photographs of my daughters when they were younger..  They weren't obviously alike when they were together but when looking back at them in photographs when the youngest was the same age as her siblings were when photographed ~ they actually are almost identical.
Just mirror images of each other.

Therefore I think it could prove difficult to identify photographs of a loved one with a 100% accuracy so checking images out electronically as Davel has said might well be the answer.
Is it possible to apply to single photos?  Would facial recognition have similar problems with children as they grow up?
Madeleine was only slightly less than 4 years old when she went missing.   You would think based on hair length and activity portrayed in the photo, you could say what age she was at that time.

Like she had a trip to Donegal, and we can say what age she was then based on some dates.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 04, 2020, 03:20:45 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:53:05 PM
Well, I was pointing out he was wrong due to certain factors.  I would never say SA was fact, but it definitely a damaging opinion.

When the "body language" thing was in vogue I think it was used as just another pseudoscientific form to abuse the McCanns.

I believe Gerry touching his nose during one interview was seen as being highly significant and suspicious ~ but when viewed, the interviewer could be seen to be touching his nose too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 04, 2020, 03:12:45 PM
Would sceptics trust family members in this case...I'm thinking Maxim de Winter

What did you mean by "I'm thinking Maxim de Winter"?  Thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2020, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 03:25:27 PM
What did you mean by "I'm thinking Maxim de Winter"?  Thanks.

Last night I dreamt of Mandalay..

It's a fictitious case where a man has identified the body of his  missing wife...in fact it wasn't her and he was covering up the fact he had murdered her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 04, 2020, 03:40:44 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 03:20:01 PM
Is it possible to apply to single photos?  Would facial recognition have similar problems with children as they grow up?
Madeleine was only slightly less than 4 years old when she went missing.   You would think based on hair length and activity portrayed in the photo, you could say what age she was at that time.

Like she had a trip to Donegal, and we can say what age she was then based on some dates.

The problem with this line of thought Rob, is that I think it has all been attacked and pawed over so badly by internet sleuths that it is my opinion they have turned innocent happy holiday photographs of innocent children into something dark and horrible which reflects nothing but what they see in their mind's eye.

I think you are viewing these with the best of intentions but you may be in a minority of one particularly as the past use by so many others has been solely pejorative.

I don't know if the person who took Madeleine ever followed any of the aftermath of his actions but if he did how he must have enjoyed it all.  Particularly as - in my opinion - no-one really ever looked for him because all the scrutiny was reserved for Madeleine's parents never a thought was given to him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 04, 2020, 03:48:31 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 04, 2020, 03:40:44 PM
The problem with this line of thought Rob, is that I think it has all been attacked and pawed over so badly by internet sleuths that it is my opinion they have turned innocent happy holiday photographs of innocent children into something dark and horrible which reflects nothing but what they see in their mind's eye.

I think you are viewing these with the best of intentions but you may be in a minority of one particularly as the past use by so many others has been solely pejorative.

I don't know if the person who took Madeleine ever followed any of the aftermath of his actions but if he did how he must have enjoyed it all.  Particularly as - in my opinion - no-one really ever looked for him because all the scrutiny was reserved for Madeleine's parents never a thought was given to him.

Are you including Grange in this critism ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 04, 2020, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 04, 2020, 03:48:31 PM
Are you including Grange in this critism ?

Weren't Grange looking for a burglar AKA abductor???
I seem to remember them being castigated every foot of the way for that.  In the interim Goncalo Amaral was pursuing his media career pointing the finger at Madeleine's parents while eventually exonerating one paedophile that we know of in ~ what in my opinion ~ was quite an extraordinary fashion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 05:06:16 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 02:47:52 PM
As I was trying to define, what are the important identifiers of Madeleine McCann?  I was struggling when doing that deleted thread, but I'm fairly sure I can now prove which photos are not Madeleine.   

The old saying was that the camera doesn't lie, but the photographer was always able to use the camera to suggest things were different than they really were. That's even more possible now with the technology that's available. Photos in the media and on the internet have been copied, cropped, lightened, darkened and who knows what else. In my opinion it's not possible to reach meaningful conclusions about them.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 04, 2020, 05:39:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 05:06:16 PM
The old saying was that the camera doesn't lie, but the photographer was always able to use the camera to suggest things were different than they really were. That's even more possible now with the technology that's available. Photos in the media and on the internet have been copied, cropped, lightened, darkened and who knows what else. In my opinion it's not possible to reach meaningful conclusions about them.

I would agree with that assessment.

Quite often I think changes have occurred without deliberate interference, particularly when cropping and resizing images.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 08:03:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 05:06:16 PM
The old saying was that the camera doesn't lie, but the photographer was always able to use the camera to suggest things were different than they really were. That's even more possible now with the technology that's available. Photos in the media and on the internet have been copied, cropped, lightened, darkened and who knows what else. In my opinion it's not possible to reach meaningful conclusions about them.
Would you say the same of photos on the memory sticks that allegedly belonged to CB?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 08:03:16 PM
Would you say the same of photos on the memory sticks that allegedly belonged to CB?

Yes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 04, 2020, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2020, 09:42:46 PM
Yes.
I thought you would give that answer.  No further questions your Honour.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 09, 2020, 06:16:18 PM
Make of it what you will.

Portuguese Madeleine McCann cops 'claim German police have NO evidence that Christian Brueckner abducted the child'
Portuguese police were invited to briefing with German officers on Maddie case
Afterwards, a memo was sent saying they have 'no evidence only speculation'
Officer said German police are simply using the case to keep Brueckner in jail
German prosecutors have insisted in public that Brueckner is responsible for the schoolgirl's disappearance and claim to have evidence she is dead


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8929765/Portuguese-Madeleine-McCann-cops-claim-German-police-NO-evidence.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 09, 2020, 06:16:18 PM
Make of it what you will.

Portuguese Madeleine McCann cops 'claim German police have NO evidence that Christian Brueckner abducted the child'
Portuguese police were invited to briefing with German officers on Maddie case
Afterwards, a memo was sent saying they have 'no evidence only speculation'
Officer said German police are simply using the case to keep Brueckner in jail
German prosecutors have insisted in public that Brueckner is responsible for the schoolgirl's disappearance and claim to have evidence she is dead


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8929765/Portuguese-Madeleine-McCann-cops-claim-German-police-NO-evidence.html

The Portuguese Cops would say that, wouldn't they.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 09, 2020, 06:38:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 09, 2020, 06:16:18 PM
Make of it what you will.

Portuguese Madeleine McCann cops 'claim German police have NO evidence that Christian Brueckner abducted the child'
Portuguese police were invited to briefing with German officers on Maddie case
Afterwards, a memo was sent saying they have 'no evidence only speculation'
Officer said German police are simply using the case to keep Brueckner in jail
German prosecutors have insisted in public that Brueckner is responsible for the schoolgirl's disappearance and claim to have evidence she is dead

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8929765/Portuguese-Madeleine-McCann-cops-claim-German-police-NO-evidence.html
if the Germans have got any sense they won’t have shared their evidence with the PJ unless they want to give Amaral more material to flog to the papers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 06:55:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 09, 2020, 06:16:18 PM
Make of it what you will.

Portuguese Madeleine McCann cops 'claim German police have NO evidence that Christian Brueckner abducted the child'
Portuguese police were invited to briefing with German officers on Maddie case
Afterwards, a memo was sent saying they have 'no evidence only speculation'
Officer said German police are simply using the case to keep Brueckner in jail
German prosecutors have insisted in public that Brueckner is responsible for the schoolgirl's disappearance and claim to have evidence she is dead

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8929765/Portuguese-Madeleine-McCann-cops-claim-German-police-NO-evidence.html

But did they prove that CB murdered her?
Did they show proof she was dead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 06:55:51 PM
But did they prove that CB murdered her?
Did they show proof she was dead?

The article is a bit of a mess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 09, 2020, 07:19:42 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 09, 2020, 06:16:18 PM
Make of it what you will.

Portuguese Madeleine McCann cops 'claim German police have NO evidence that Christian Brueckner abducted the child'
Portuguese police were invited to briefing with German officers on Maddie case
Afterwards, a memo was sent saying they have 'no evidence only speculation'
Officer said German police are simply using the case to keep Brueckner in jail
German prosecutors have insisted in public that Brueckner is responsible for the schoolgirl's disappearance and claim to have evidence she is dead


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8929765/Portuguese-Madeleine-McCann-cops-claim-German-police-NO-evidence.html

Oops
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 06:55:51 PM
But did they prove that CB murdered her?
Did they show proof she was dead?


I've followed everything Wolters has said. Everything he has said over the past 5 months makes perfect sense. he has not once contradicted himself.  I could explain but there's little point .Some posters would rather beleive an unnamed portuguse in the Sun. Wolters has never used the word proof....not sure why you are using it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2020, 07:23:16 PM
I see it was a tripartite meeting with Scotland Yard, so I wonder what their opinion is, considering that they have previously viewed it as a missing person case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 09, 2020, 07:23:16 PM
I see it was a tripartite meeting with Scotland Yard, so I wonder what their opinion is, considering that they have previously viewed it as a missing person case.

We don't even know what the portuguese investigations view is......unless you beleive this Sun story
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 09, 2020, 07:22:57 PM

I've followed everything Wolters has said. Everything he has said over the past 5 months makes perfect sense. he has not once contradicted himself.  I could explain but there's little point .Some posters would rather beleive an unnamed portuguse in the Sun. Wolters has never used the word proof....not sure why you are using it.
Well change the word to evidence then rather than proof.

But did they have evidence that CB murdered her?
Did they have evidence she was dead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2020, 07:27:09 PM
Sun ? Link provided was Daily Mail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 07:28:32 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 09, 2020, 07:27:09 PM
Sun ? Link provided was Daily Mail.

Read The Article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 07:29:00 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 09, 2020, 07:27:09 PM
Sun ? Link provided was Daily Mail.

You need to read the article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2020, 07:30:47 PM
I draw your attention to post 9020
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 07:32:16 PM
I would say there is no memo and the source is Amaral. The giveaway is that the Germans are using the MM case to keep CB in jail. He's serving seven years for rape..so that's a bogus claim
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 09, 2020, 07:30:47 PM
I draw your attention to post 9020
The mail have copied the story from the Sun...the Sun is the source of the information. It will be in the Telegraph soon. Papers just copy the story
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 09, 2020, 07:30:47 PM
I draw your attention to post 9020
Do you mean this one?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg625762#msg625762

Note: Posts can get deleted so linking to their URL is better.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 09, 2020, 07:37:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 09, 2020, 07:22:57 PM

I've followed everything Wolters has said. Everything he has said over the past 5 months makes perfect sense. he has not once contradicted himself.  I could explain but there's little point .Some posters would rather beleive an unnamed portuguse in the Sun. Wolters has never used the word proof....not sure why you are using it.

In the beginning it was;

Hans Christian Wolters, from the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office in Germany, said in an update on Thursday: "We are assuming that the girl is dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52916137

SYNONYMS FOR assumption

1 presupposition; hypothesis; conjecture, guess; postulate, theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 07:39:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 09, 2020, 07:37:23 PM
In the beginning it was;

Hans Christian Wolters, from the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office in Germany, said in an update on Thursday: "We are assuming that the girl is dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52916137

SYNONYMS FOR assumption

1 presupposition; hypothesis; conjecture, guess; postulate, theory.

No point taking one sentence out of context. In the Rui Pedro case the police found an image of abuse...the abuse was such that it could be safely assumed Rui died from the abuse...of course not 100% but nothing really is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 07:43:23 PM
To those who say it's a missing persons case according to SY. Does anyone really think that SY believe MM is still alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 07:26:56 PM
Well change the word to evidence then rather than proof.

But did they have evidence that CB murdered her?
Did they have evidence she was dead?
Have you listened to what Wolters has said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 09, 2020, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 09, 2020, 07:43:23 PM
To those who say it's a missing persons case according to SY. Does anyone really think that SY believe MM is still alive.

I do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:10:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 09, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Have you listened to what Wolters has said
You mean months ago?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:11:40 PM
Quote from: sadie on November 09, 2020, 08:04:29 PM
I do
#Me Too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:10:41 PM
You mean months ago?

If you want to believe what an unnamed source in the Sun says it's up to you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 09, 2020, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 07:26:56 PM
Well change the word to evidence then rather than proof.

But did they have evidence that CB murdered her?
Did they have evidence she was dead?
If there is a leak and it is from a Portuguese source all it shows ~ yet again ~ is the untrustworthiness of supposedly professional people working in important fields in Portugal.

Snip
Portuguese detectives believe the allegations against Brueckner are designed to 'keep him in prison at all costs', and accused their German counterparts of failing to conduct a serious investigation.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8929765/Portuguese-Madeleine-McCann-cops-claim-German-police-NO-evidence.html

I can understand the petulance being shown by the Portuguese.  The Germans did take the bother to prosecute and jail Brueckner for the horrific torture and rape of the American woman when they didn't do so.  I think they realise how bad that makes them look; where the penny hasn't dropped is that unprofessionalism of failure to prosecute serious crime is compounded when they leak like a sieve about absolutely everything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 08:22:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 09, 2020, 08:19:54 PM
If there is a leak and it is from a Portuguese source all it shows ~ yet again ~ is the untrustworthiness of supposedly professional people working in important fields in Portugal.

Snip
Portuguese detectives believe the allegations against Brueckner are designed to 'keep him in prison at all costs', and accused their German counterparts of failing to conduct a serious investigation.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8929765/Portuguese-Madeleine-McCann-cops-claim-German-police-NO-evidence.html

I can understand the petulance being shown by the Portuguese.  The Germans did take the bother to prosecute and jail Brueckner for the horrific torture and rape of the American woman when they didn't do so.  I think they realise how bad that makes them look; where the penny hasn't dropped is that unprofessionalism of failure to prosecute serious crime is compounded when they leak like a sieve about absolutely everything.

And still leaking after all of this time.  Absolutely shocking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:31:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 09, 2020, 08:17:02 PM
If you want to believe what an unnamed source in the Sun says it's up to you
It's a challenge to the Germans to reveal their hand.  What have they got?   Let the world discuss it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 09, 2020, 08:36:52 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 09, 2020, 08:19:54 PM
If there is a leak and it is from a Portuguese source all it shows ~ yet again ~ is the untrustworthiness of supposedly professional people working in important fields in Portugal.

Snip
Portuguese detectives believe the allegations against Brueckner are designed to 'keep him in prison at all costs', and accused their German counterparts of failing to conduct a serious investigation.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8929765/Portuguese-Madeleine-McCann-cops-claim-German-police-NO-evidence.html

I can understand the petulance being shown by the Portuguese.  The Germans did take the bother to prosecute and jail Brueckner for the horrific torture and rape of the American woman when they didn't do so.  I think they realise how bad that makes them look; where the penny hasn't dropped is that unprofessionalism of failure to prosecute serious crime is compounded when they leak like a sieve about absolutely everything.

I know that you must be really disappointed that it looks like Bruckner is another dead end but no use shooting the messenger.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 08:37:59 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:31:22 PM
It's a challenge to the Germans to reveal their hand.  What have they got?   Let the world discuss it.

You obviously haven't followed what HCW has said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2020, 08:38:05 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:31:22 PM
It's a challenge to the Germans to reveal their hand.  What have they got?   Let the world discuss it.


As this is claimed to have been leaked after a meeting with SY,German AND Portuguese police to discuss 'evidence' it turns out there is no evidence. We don't know who leaked, but supporters have named ,blamed and shamed Amaral.  You would think it was Amaral who raped and tortured the left alone defenseless child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:39:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 09, 2020, 08:37:59 PM
You obviously haven't followed what HCW has said
You have kept us informed for months now. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 08:41:41 PM
The article also quotes the Portuguese source as saying CB is to be released at the end of the year..
Yet sceptics believe it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:42:12 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2020, 08:38:05 PM

As this is claimed to have been leaked after a meeting with SY,German AND Portuguese police to discuss 'evidence' it turns out there is no evidence. We don't know who leaked, but supporters have named ,blamed and shamed Amaral.  You would think it was Amaral who raped and tortured the left alone defenseless child.
You might be finally getting closer to the truth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 08:43:30 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:39:41 PM
You have kept us informed for months now.

Then it seems you've forgotten...what do you think of the claim by the Portuguese source that  CB is to be released at the end of the year
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 08:44:59 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2020, 08:38:05 PM

As this is claimed to have been leaked after a meeting with SY,German AND Portuguese police to discuss 'evidence' it turns out there is no evidence. We don't know who leaked, but supporters have named ,blamed and shamed Amaral.  You would think it was Amaral who raped and tortured the left alone defenseless child.

It doesn't surprise me at all that you believe this article from the Sun..LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 09, 2020, 08:43:30 PM
Then it seems you've forgotten...what do you think of the claim by the Portuguese source that  CB is to be released at the end of the year
They might know more than we do.  Wasn't it to do with his appeal? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2020, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 09, 2020, 08:44:59 PM
It doesn't surprise me at all that you believe this article from the Sun..LOL

Who said I believed it? you? oh ok.

The supporters believe it becuase they get to trash Amaral lol, oh they need that daily fix!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
They might know more than we do.  Wasn't it to do with his appeal?
He lost his appeal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2020, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
They might know more than we do.  Wasn't it to do with his appeal?

Not long util the end of the year, so we'll soon know if that claim is true or false.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 08:48:38 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2020, 08:47:02 PM
Who said I believed it? you? oh ok.

The supporters believe it becuase they get to trash Amaral lol, oh they need that daily fix!

Supporters don't believe it...you aren't making much sense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 09, 2020, 08:49:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 09, 2020, 08:48:08 PM
Not long util the end of the year, so we'll soon know if that claim is true or false.

It's false
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 09, 2020, 08:47:29 PM
He lost his appeal
Did he?  You might be right. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
Did he?  You might be right.

Davel is right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Davel is right.
Quite often he is.   I'll admit that.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:58:21 PM

"The chief suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has lost an appeal to be freed from prison. Convicted German paedophile Christian B is trying to overturn a seven-year jail term handed down to him for raping a 72-year-old woman. The 43-year-old was extradited from Italy to Germany under a European arrest warrant in 2018 and was later convicted of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz, the same Portuguese resort where Madeleine went missing in 2007. Christian B had challenged the validity of the European arrest warrant issued by Germany because it cited a drugs conviction but not the 2005 rape charge.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/24/madeleine-mccann-murder-suspect-wont-be-released-from-prison-after-losing-appeal-13318448/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:54:08 PM
Quite often he is.   I'll admit that.

You do make me laugh sometimes.  Thank goodness.  Especially when things are getting shirty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 09, 2020, 09:00:13 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:31:22 PM
It's a challenge to the Germans to reveal their hand.  What have they got?   Let the world discuss it.

I would much rather it was dealt with in the courts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 09:00:48 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:58:21 PM
"The chief suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has lost an appeal to be freed from prison. Convicted German paedophile Christian B is trying to overturn a seven-year jail term handed down to him for raping a 72-year-old woman. The 43-year-old was extradited from Italy to Germany under a European arrest warrant in 2018 and was later convicted of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz, the same Portuguese resort where Madeleine went missing in 2007. Christian B had challenged the validity of the European arrest warrant issued by Germany because it cited a drugs conviction but not the 2005 rape charge.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/24/madeleine-mccann-murder-suspect-wont-be-released-from-prison-after-losing-appeal-13318448/?ito=cbshare

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Doesn't this tell you all something about The PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 09:01:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 08:58:52 PM
You do make me laugh sometimes.  Thank goodness.  Especially when things are getting shirty.
Shirty?  Who's being Shirty?   I'm just having fun here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 09:04:47 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 09:01:10 PM
Shirty?  Who's being Shirty?   I'm just having fun here.

Not you.  Just in general.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 09, 2020, 09:00:13 PM
I would much rather it was dealt with in the courts.
What a court case in Portugal when the Portuguese say the Germans don't have any evidence.    I have a feeling that national pride is more important than convicting someone for alleged child abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2020, 09:14:36 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 09:05:56 PM
What a court case in Portugal when the Portuguese say the Germans don't have any evidence.    I have a feeling that national pride is more important than convicting someone for alleged child abduction.

Or Rape, for that matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2020, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 09:05:56 PM
What a court case in Portugal when the Portuguese say the Germans don't have any evidence.    I have a feeling that national pride is more important than convicting someone for alleged child abduction.

oh  just  a feeling. what are your feelings regrading the millions f pounds being afforded to a dead end investigation by SY?

Contrary to what we read here, as started by the McCanns and their hate fest of all things Portuguese, especially the police who had the audacity to question them, there are a lot of very decent ,proud, honest, law abiding citizens in Portugal, who do want little Maddie to be found. To tar all police and citizens in this way is vile, I expect better from those who cling to a false superiority complex.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 09, 2020, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 09:05:56 PM
What a court case in Portugal when the Portuguese say the Germans don't have any evidence.    I have a feeling that national pride is more important than convicting someone for alleged child abduction.

I think you may very well have hit the nail on the head there Rob.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 09, 2020, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 09, 2020, 08:47:29 PM
He lost his appeal
The appeal against the conviction in the 2005 rape case hasn’t been heard in court yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2020, 09:30:19 PM
oh  just  a feeling. what are your feelings regrading the millions f pounds being afforded to a dead end investigation by SY?

Contrary to what we read here, as started by the McCanns and their hate fest of all things Portuguese, especially the police who had the audacity to question them, there are a lot of very decent ,proud, honest, law abiding citizens in Portugal, who do want little Maddie to be found. To tar all police and citizens in this way is vile, I expect better from those who cling to a false superiority complex.
The way I look at it is that UK is paying the premium on an insurance policy.   In future the UK wants crimes committed against its citizens while visiting Portugal are investigated to the nth degree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 09, 2020, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2020, 08:38:05 PM

As this is claimed to have been leaked after a meeting with SY,German AND Portuguese police to discuss 'evidence' it turns out there is no evidence. We don't know who leaked, but supporters have named ,blamed and shamed Amaral.  You would think it was Amaral who raped and tortured the left alone defenseless child.

I agree with Rob mainly in his post « Reply #9053 on: Today at 08:42:12 PM », but I would like to make it clear that I do not think that Amaral personally raped and tortured Madeleine.   I don't think that anyone has.    Her bloodline and its potential use was too precious to the person who, IMO, commissioned her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 09, 2020, 11:08:07 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 08:11:40 PM
#Me Too

Glad that you too think that Madeleine is alive, but I would like to point out that your reasons are totally different from mine
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 10, 2020, 02:24:05 AM
Quote from: sadie on November 09, 2020, 11:08:07 PM
Glad that you too think that Madeleine is alive, but I would like to point out that your reasons are totally different from mine
But in my opinion, I'm right and you're wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 10, 2020, 05:55:03 AM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2020, 08:38:05 PM

As this is claimed to have been leaked after a meeting with SY,German AND Portuguese police to discuss 'evidence' it turns out there is no evidence. We don't know who leaked, but supporters have named ,blamed and shamed Amaral.  You would think it was Amaral who raped and tortured the left alone defenseless child.
The veracity of the claims of the article aren't questioned it seems but the affront to leak it is,go figure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 10, 2020, 06:02:39 AM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2020, 08:47:02 PM
Who said I believed it? you? oh ok.

The supporters believe it becuase they get to trash Amaral lol, oh they need that daily fix!
Ka ching.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 07:06:48 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 10, 2020, 05:55:03 AM
The veracity of the claims of the article aren't questioned it seems but the affront to leak it is,go figure.
We are in no position to know if the claims are true or not, but one thing is for sure someone on the Portuguese side has been blabbing to the press yet again.  Now, who has form for doing that...?  *%6^
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 07:22:29 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 10, 2020, 07:06:48 AM
We are in no position to know if the claims are true or not, but one thing is for sure someone on the Portuguese side has been blabbing to the press yet again.  Now, who has form for doing that...?  *%6^

I think it's patently obvious the claims in the article aren't true.... evidenced by the claim that CB may be released at the end of the year. The Sun really is making a lot up
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 10, 2020, 09:06:04 AM
Leaks are good. What could we possibly discuss otherwise ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 10, 2020, 09:15:29 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 10, 2020, 09:06:04 AM
Leaks are good. What could we possibly discuss otherwise ?

Leeks?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 10, 2020, 09:19:02 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 10, 2020, 09:15:29 AM
Leeks?

Them as well  ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 07:22:29 AM
I think it's patently obvious the claims in the article aren't true.... evidenced by the claim that CB may be released at the end of the year. The Sun really is making a lot up
What makes you so confident that Christian B can not be released at the end of the year. Is it an actual impossibility or just your opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 10, 2020, 05:13:45 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 10, 2020, 02:24:05 AM
But in my opinion, I'm right and you're wrong.

Well SY seem to be listening to me.  Are they listening to you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:16:47 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:09:13 PM
What makes you so confident that Christian B can not be released at the end of the year. Is it an actual impossibility or just your opinion.

what makes me so conficent is that ive followed the facts and understand precisely why tyhe Sun is saying this...its  astory from around 5 or 6 months ago...his appeal failed...have you not been following
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2020, 05:20:33 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:09:13 PM
What makes you so confident that Christian B can not be released at the end of the year. Is it an actual impossibility or just your opinion.

I've been keeping pace with whatever information there is including European Court rulings which Brueckner has lost and I'm pretty certain that unless pigs start flying Brueckner's bed and board will be courtesy of the German state for much longer than the end of this year.
That is my opinion.

What is yours?
Do you think Brueckner will be released at the end of the year? or do you think he will do his time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 05:16:47 PM
what makes me so conficent is that ive followed the facts and understand precisely why tyhe Sun is saying this...its  astory from around 5 or 6 months ago...his appeal failed...have you not been following
Oh, I’ve been following just fine. Please tell me when his appeal in the German courts failed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:24:31 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 10, 2020, 05:20:33 PM
I've been keeping pace with whatever information there is including European Court rulings which Brueckner has lost and I'm pretty certain that unless pigs start flying Brueckner's bed and board will be courtesy of the German state for much longer than the end of this year.
That is my opinion.

What is yours?
Do you think Brueckner will be released at the end of the year? or do you think he will do his time?
As I am not a German judge sitting on the appeal of Christian B my opinion of whether he will be freed or not is of no importance, but the fact is, it is possible he could be freed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:26:20 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:21:15 PM
Oh, I’ve been following just fine. Please tell me when his appeal in the German courts failed.
..Dont you know..are you under the impression the portuguese have some sort of inside information....Ithink you are deluded
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:24:31 PM
As I am not a German judge sitting on the appeal of Christian B my opinion of whether he will be freed or not is of no importance, but the fact is, it is possible he could be freed.

what tripe...on what grounds
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 05:27:00 PM
what tripe...on what grounds
The King of Germany might issue him a pardon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:30:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 05:26:20 PM
..Dont you know..are you under the impression the portuguese have some sort of inside information....Ithink you are deluded
No I don't know, that's why I asked the question.
 I have no idea if the Portuguese have any inside information, how would I?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:31:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 10, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
The King of Germany might issue him a pardon.

You have to factor in the fact that the King told the PJ first...as he obviously would
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 05:27:00 PM
what tripe...on what grounds

On the grounds that until an appeal is completed the original sentence is held in abeyance. The appeal is not completed. And until an appeal is completed no one knows the outcome of the appeal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:32:47 PM
On the grounds that until an appeal is completed the original sentence is held in abeyance. The appeal is not completed. And until an appeal is completed no one knows the outcome of the appeal.

he appealed on the grounds his trial was unlawful....the german court sought a ruling from the european Court...the ruling was taht his trial was lawful
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 05:35:15 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:32:47 PM
On the grounds that until an appeal is completed the original sentence is held in abeyance. The appeal is not completed. And until an appeal is completed no one knows the outcome of the appeal.
I suggest you read this
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/eu-affairs/132610/european-court-rejects-appeal-from-madeleine-mccann-suspect/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:37:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 10, 2020, 05:35:15 PM
I suggest you read this
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/eu-affairs/132610/european-court-rejects-appeal-from-madeleine-mccann-suspect/
Does it tell me that a German court have denied the appeal of Christian B, I don't think it does.
The ECJ role is to interpret EU law and to ensure it is applied equally over the EU member states. Not to arbitrate concerning convictions in EU nation states. The appeal in a German court is still pending
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 05:38:17 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:37:45 PM
Does it tell me that a German court have denied the appeal of Christian B, I don't think it does.
The ECJ role is to interpret EU law and to ensure it is applied equally over the EU member states. Not to arbitrate concerning convictions in EU nation states. The appeal in a German court is still pending
Do you have a cite?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:39:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 10, 2020, 05:38:17 PM
Do you have a cite?
For what the ECJ role or the pending appeal?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:39:24 PM
For what the ECJ role or the pending appeal?
For the pending appeal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:40:44 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:32:47 PM
On the grounds that until an appeal is completed the original sentence is held in abeyance. The appeal is not completed. And until an appeal is completed no one knows the outcome of the appeal.

Brückner appealed to Germany’s highest court, the Bundesgerichtshof, claiming the international warrant was illegal, and his arrest in Germany on a drugs warrant did not allow him to be tried for a separate offence in another jurisdiction.

The Bundesgerichtshof applied to the ECJ for a ruling on the EU legal aspects of the case. And the court, following the opinion of its advocate-general, rejected the appeal.

seems like you havent been keeping up
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on November 10, 2020, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 05:16:47 PM
what makes me so conficent is that ive followed the facts and understand precisely why tyhe Sun is saying this...its  astory from around 5 or 6 months ago...his appeal failed...have you not been following
Why are you  being so rude to a junior member ? Not everyone has day long every day time to spare keeping up .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on November 10, 2020, 05:43:16 PM
I think davel thinks he knows everything about this case !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 10, 2020, 05:40:32 PM
For the pending appeal.
I cant provide a cite for something that hasn't happened yet. Its like the Loch Ness monster, I can't prove it doesn't exist no matter what I do, but if you believe it does exist than surely you are able to prove it.
If you believe the appeal is no longer pending but actually took place then it should be quite easy to find online.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:45:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 05:40:44 PM
Brückner appealed to Germany’s highest court, the Bundesgerichtshof, claiming the international warrant was illegal, and his arrest in Germany on a drugs warrant did not allow him to be tried for a separate offence in another jurisdiction.

The Bundesgerichtshof applied to the ECJ for a ruling on the EU legal aspects of the case. And the court, following the opinion of its advocate-general, rejected the appeal.

seems like you havent been keeping up
Where does that say that the matter was concluded in a German court. It hasn't been yet
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:46:03 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:30:01 PM
No I don't know, that's why I asked the question.
 I have no idea if the Portuguese have any inside information, how would I?


Some of us realis exactly how the Sun works. There is no truth in this article...theyve cobbled togethere different bits of information to make  a story.  I doubt there was even  a leaked  memo. The part about him being released is from 3 months ago....when it was  aremote possibility
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 10, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
I cant provide a cite for something that hasn't happened yet. Its like the Loch Ness monster, I can't prove it doesn't exist no matter what I do, but if you believe it does exist than surely you are able to prove it.
If you believe the appeal is no longer pending but actually took place then it should be quite easy to find online.

His Appeal has been rejected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:45:26 PM
Where does that say that the matter was concluded in a German court. It hasn't been yet

The Bundesgerichtshof applied to the ECJ for a ruling on the EU legal aspects of the case. And the court, following the opinion of its advocate-general, rejected the appeal. Its been decided
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 10, 2020, 05:43:16 PM
I think davel thinks he knows everything about this case !

You have shown you are not even aware of what Grime has said in the files. Unfortunately for you I do know rather a lot
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:49:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 10, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
His Appeal has been rejected.
No Eleanor, The German courts (not Breuckner)applied to the ECJ on a matter of technical law concerning the extraditions. The ECJ found in the favour of the German courts. The appeal for the conviction of the rape had 3 strands, the extradition, forensic evidence and eyewitness evidence. This appeal has not been heard yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 05:51:02 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
I cant provide a cite for something that hasn't happened yet. Its like the Loch Ness monster, I can't prove it doesn't exist no matter what I do, but if you believe it does exist than surely you are able to prove it.
If you believe the appeal is no longer pending but actually took place then it should be quite easy to find online.
I’ve supplied you with a report that his appeal was rejected and he will be locked up for the next seven years, surely if there was an appeal pending that meant he could soon be released there would be some mention of it in the media somewhere?  Like we know the McCanns have an appeal pending though it hasn’t happened yet, and please leave Nessie out of it!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 05:47:31 PM
The Bundesgerichtshof applied to the ECJ for a ruling on the EU legal aspects of the case. And the court, following the opinion of its advocate-general, rejected the appeal. Its been decided
You are quite wrong, there are 2 other strands to the appeal defence. Eyewitness and forensic evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:53:24 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
You are quite wrong, there are 2 other strands to the appeal defence. Eyewitness and forensic evidence.

Then cite please
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:55:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 10, 2020, 05:51:02 PM
I’ve supplied you with a report that his appeal was rejected and he will be locked up for the next seven years, surely if there was an appeal pending that meant he could soon be released there would be some mention of it in the media somewhere?  Like we know the McCanns have an appeal pending though it hasn’t happened yet, and please leave Nessie out of it!
For his conviction to stand he has to lose his appeal in a German court. The ECJ ruled on technical law not case evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
You are quite wrong, there are 2 other strands to the appeal defence. Eyewitness and forensic evidence.

CITE....Im quite happy to be corrected
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:00:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 05:58:20 PM
CITE....Im quite happy to be corrected
Then give me sometime you only asked me 5 minutes ago. I going to have to search for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:00:12 PM
Then give me sometime you only asked me 5 minutes ago. I going to have to search for it.

absolutely fine...I think you will struggle
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 05:24:31 PM
As I am not a German judge sitting on the appeal of Christian B my opinion of whether he will be freed or not is of no importance, but the fact is, it is possible he could be freed.

Of course your opinion is important.  We are a discussion forum not either English, Portuguese or German High Court judges whose opinions do carry some weight if ours don't.  You aske Davel for his opinion ~ therefore I think if you share yours in return it is only neighbourly.

I think you are wrong.  I've already told you why I think I am right.  On what do you base your opinion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:15:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 06:01:03 PM
absolutely fine...I think you will struggle
Not too much of a struggle

“The man is challenging the evidence and witness testimony against him and accuses the German authorities of violating international law and making legal errors during his extradition.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-rape-conviction-appeal-christian-brueckner-a9548886.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 10, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
Of course your opinion is important.  We are a discussion forum not either English, Portuguese or German High Court judges whose opinions do carry some weight if ours don't.  You aske Davel for his opinion ~ therefore I think if you share yours in return it is only neighbourly.

I think you are wrong.  I've already told you why I think I am right.  On what do you base your opinion?
This question is not about opinions but facts and the fact is he could be released, certainly if he wins his appeal. I can't give an opinion if I think he will be released because I haven't seen any of the evidence, my opinion would be worthless
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 06:19:37 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:15:27 PM
Not too much of a struggle

“The man is challenging the evidence and witness testimony against him and accuses the German authorities of violating international law and making legal errors during his extradition.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-rape-conviction-appeal-christian-brueckner-a9548886.html

That was in the trial...Do you have a cite saying its the subject of an appeal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:18:48 PM
This question is not about opinions but facts and the fact is he could be released, certainly if he wins his appeal. I can't give an opinion if I think he will be released because I haven't seen any of the evidence, my opinion would be worthless

the appeal has been decided...I think you have misunderstood the independent article...this si a fuller quote..

The Braunschweiger Zeitung reported that the man’s defence lawyer called for him to be acquitted during the trial and appealed to Germany’s Federal Court of Justice.

The man is challenging the evidence and witness testimony against him and accuses the German authorities of violating international law and making legal errors during his extradition.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 10, 2020, 06:21:31 PM
Quote from: sadie on November 10, 2020, 05:13:45 PM
Well SY seem to be listening to me.  Are they listening to you?
I hope so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:15:27 PM
Not too much of a struggle

“The man is challenging the evidence and witness testimony against him and accuses the German authorities of violating international law and making legal errors during his extradition.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-rape-conviction-appeal-christian-brueckner-a9548886.html
Sounds like one appeal to the ECJ to me, not two separate appeals.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 06:19:37 PM
That was in the trial...Do you have a cite saying its the subject of an appeal
You are joking aren't you. Read the phrasing of the paragraph, how would that make sense for the original trial.
I'll go  a bit further back so you get all the context.

He denied the crime and has launched a legal challenge against his conviction that will be considered by the European Court of Justice.
It received the case on 8 May and The Independent understands that as it was filed under the “urgent preliminary ruling procedure”, a decision will be made between three and six months from that date.
The Braunschweiger Zeitung reported that the man’s defence lawyer called for him to be acquitted during the trial and appealed to Germany’s Federal Court of Justice.
“The man is challenging the evidence and witness testimony against him and accuses the German authorities of violating international law and making legal errors during his extradition.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 10, 2020, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 05:58:20 PM
CITE....Im quite happy to be corrected

He is currently serving a prison sentence in Germany for drug trafficking and is appealing against a conviction for the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in the same Portuguese resort, for which he was sentenced to seven years in jail...

ECJ judges ruled on Thursday that only the permission of the Italian authorities was needed for the Germans to carry out their proceedings legally.

The decision is final and cannot be appealed but the case will now be returned to the German court to finally decide on Brueckner’s appeal, which he is likely to lose in light of Thursday’s ruling.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18744543.madeleine-mccann-suspect-loses-latest-round-rape-conviction-appeal/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 10, 2020, 06:27:42 PM
He is currently serving a prison sentence in Germany for drug trafficking and is appealing against a conviction for the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in the same Portuguese resort, for which he was sentenced to seven years in jail...

ECJ judges ruled on Thursday that only the permission of the Italian authorities was needed for the Germans to carry out their proceedings legally.

The decision is final and cannot be appealed but the case will now be returned to the German court to finally decide on Brueckner’s appeal, which he is likely to lose in light of Thursday’s ruling.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18744543.madeleine-mccann-suspect-loses-latest-round-rape-conviction-appeal/

That isnt what I asked for a cite for...never mind
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 06:34:11 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:26:51 PM
You are joking aren't you. Read the phrasing of the paragraph, how would that make sense for the original trial.
I'll go  a bit further back so you get all the context.

He denied the crime and has launched a legal challenge against his conviction that will be considered by the European Court of Justice.
It received the case on 8 May and The Independent understands that as it was filed under the “urgent preliminary ruling procedure”, a decision will be made between three and six months from that date.
The Braunschweiger Zeitung reported that the man’s defence lawyer called for him to be acquitted during the trial and appealed to Germany’s Federal Court of Justice.
“The man is challenging the evidence and witness testimony against him and accuses the German authorities of violating international law and making legal errors during his extradition.”

He called for him to be acquitted during the trial....that lawyer has now stopped representing him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:41:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 06:34:11 PM
He called for him to be acquitted during the trial....that lawyer has now stopped representing him
Of course he called for him to be acquitted during the trial that his job, he then lodged an appeal to the German Federal court.

The Braunschweiger Zeitung reported that the man’s defence lawyer called for him to be acquitted during the trial and appealed to Germany’s Federal Court of Justice. All past tense

This is dated 4th June and concerns the appeal that was mentioned above.

The man is challenging the evidence and witness testimony against him and accuses the German authorities of violating international law and making legal errors during his extradition.” All present tense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 06:47:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 10, 2020, 06:27:42 PM
He is currently serving a prison sentence in Germany for drug trafficking and is appealing against a conviction for the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in the same Portuguese resort, for which he was sentenced to seven years in jail...

ECJ judges ruled on Thursday that only the permission of the Italian authorities was needed for the Germans to carry out their proceedings legally.

The decision is final and cannot be appealed but the case will now be returned to the German court to finally decide on Brueckner’s appeal, which he is likely to lose in light of Thursday’s ruling.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18744543.madeleine-mccann-suspect-loses-latest-round-rape-conviction-appeal/
Good to hear he’s likely to lose it anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 10, 2020, 06:47:07 PM
Good to hear he’s likely to lose it anyway.
I don't disagree VS but the possibility remains.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:50:29 PM
I don't disagree VS but the possibility remains.
Yeah I can see that now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 10, 2020, 07:28:22 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 09, 2020, 10:19:14 PM
The way I look at it is that UK is paying the premium on an insurance policy.   In future the UK wants crimes committed against its citizens while visiting Portugal are investigated to the nth degree.


If it comes to a dead end  then time to let go!   they are only tasked with seeking an abductor as per parents narrative.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 10, 2020, 07:30:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 10, 2020, 07:06:48 AM
We are in no position to know if the claims are true or not, but one thing is for sure someone on the Portuguese side has been blabbing to the press yet again.  Now, who has form for doing that...?  *%6^

Evidence ?  got any
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 07:36:00 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:41:17 PM
Of course he called for him to be acquitted during the trial that his job, he then lodged an appeal to the German Federal court.

The Braunschweiger Zeitung reported that the man’s defence lawyer called for him to be acquitted during the trial and appealed to Germany’s Federal Court of Justice. All past tense

This is dated 4th June and concerns the appeal that was mentioned above.

The man is challenging the evidence and witness testimony against him and accuses the German authorities of violating international law and making legal errors during his extradition.” All present tense

To me it  says ...the man..ie CB is challenging....do you have  a cite that any lawyer made that claim in an appeal court.

as i understand...an appeal cannot simply challenge evidence...it has to rely on new evidence. there is no real evidence that witness statement or forensic evidence was part of his appeal. The very fact that it has never been mentioned in any appeal confirms it wasnt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 07:37:51 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on November 10, 2020, 06:50:29 PM
I don't disagree VS but the possibility remains.

its an unreal possibility....it like saying its possible the Mccanns could be charged before the end of the year.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 08:15:43 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 10, 2020, 07:30:22 PM
Evidence ?  got any
What would you like evidence of?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 10, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 07:37:51 PM
its an unreal possibility....it like saying its possible the Mccanns could be charged before the end of the year.
Can we quote you on that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 10, 2020, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 10, 2020, 07:37:51 PM
its an unreal possibility....it like saying its possible the Mccanns could be charged before the end of the year.
Some people actually believe this is quite possible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 08:18:41 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 10, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
Can we quote you on that?

Of course Rob...an unreal possibility is the opposite of a real possibility
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2020, 08:22:09 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 10, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
Can we quote you on that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 10, 2020, 09:01:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 10, 2020, 08:17:02 PM
Some people actually believe this is quite possible.


Some people may believe that, as stranger thing shave happend in courts!  the difference is, I can see no one on this forum wanting him to be free, and if he can be charged with sufficient evidence of harming MBM all in here would cheer for sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on November 11, 2020, 04:42:24 PM
USB sticks and iPads - the stock-in-trade of a global paedophile ring...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8937697/Temp-Police-expose-global-child-abuse-ring-centered-Australia.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8937697/Temp-Police-expose-global-child-abuse-ring-centered-Australia.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2020, 04:57:33 PM
Quote from: Myster on November 11, 2020, 04:42:24 PM
USB sticks and iPads - the stock-in-trade of a global paedophile ring...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8937697/Temp-Police-expose-global-child-abuse-ring-centered-Australia.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8937697/Temp-Police-expose-global-child-abuse-ring-centered-Australia.html)

This has probably been long going on.  I would be a fool if I thought it was just The Internet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2020, 04:59:43 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 10, 2020, 09:01:33 PM

Some people may believe that, as stranger thing shave happend in courts!  the difference is, I can see no one on this forum wanting him to be free, and if he can be charged with sufficient evidence of harming MBM all in here would cheer for sure.

I wouldn't.  What very strange ideas you have.  And often not very nice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 11, 2020, 07:05:05 PM
A N Other sauce is out and about.

Now a source close to the case said of the German team: "They still believe that the evidence is out there they will bring the facts to the surface.

"They know they must uncover new evidence quickly - but they are convinced they will and will fight tooth and nail to ensure they get to the truth.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13170764/madeleine-prosecutors-tooth-and-nail-suspect-christian/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 11, 2020, 07:17:10 PM
“If the Germans were to prove that Christian B took Maddie it would be a massive indictment on the Portuguese investigation and that’s why officers on the Algarve have been so keen to downplay the links.”

Ain’t that the truth!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 11, 2020, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 11, 2020, 07:17:10 PM
“If the Germans were to prove that Christian B took Maddie it would be a massive indictment on the Portuguese investigation and that’s why officers on the Algarve have been so keen to downplay the links.”

Ain’t that the truth!

Who knows ?
It certainly seems to be your truth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 11, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 11, 2020, 07:24:43 PM
Who knows ?
It certainly seems to be your truth.
Not just mine clearly as I didn’t write the article.  Plus it makes perfect logical sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 11, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 11, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Not just mine clearly as I didn’t write the article.  Plus it makes perfect logical sense.

Which also includes "In Portugal, prosecutors have reopened their investigation into a sex crime in a playground he was arrested over in 2017." https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13170764/madeleine-prosecutors-tooth-and-nail-suspect-christian/

Apparently they held him at the time but did nothing about it, which seems to be a popular outcome for the Portuguese police.

I think they are really being shown up in many ways by the present investigations instigated by the Germans into crimes in Portuguese jurisdiction that even they are feeling embarrassed hence the current spate of press leaks.  Which in my opinion do little except compound the incompetence of years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2020, 09:09:31 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 11, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
Which also includes "In Portugal, prosecutors have reopened their investigation into a sex crime in a playground he was arrested over in 2017." https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13170764/madeleine-prosecutors-tooth-and-nail-suspect-christian/

Apparently they held him at the time but did nothing about it, which seems to be a popular outcome for the Portuguese police.

I think they are really being shown up in many ways by the present investigations instigated by the Germans into crimes in Portuguese jurisdiction that even they are feeling embarrassed hence the current spate of press leaks.  Which in my opinion do little except compound the incompetence of years.

Can't have Sex Crimes in Portugal you know.  It puts off The Tourists.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 11, 2020, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 11, 2020, 09:09:31 PM
Can't have Sex Crimes in Portugal you know.  It puts off The Tourists.

If that was the case then there’d be no tourism anywhere. British police have lost sight of hundreds of paedophiles who have changed their names by deed poll and the number of rape allegations that don’t lead to charges being brought is truly shocking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 12, 2020, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 11, 2020, 07:05:05 PM
A N Other sauce is out and about.

Now a source close to the case said of the German team: "They still believe that the evidence is out there they will bring the facts to the surface.

"They know they must uncover new evidence quickly - but they are convinced they will and will fight tooth and nail to ensure they get to the truth.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13170764/madeleine-prosecutors-tooth-and-nail-suspect-christian/

I hope the Portuguese Police are not going to stop the German Police investigating the case in Portugal,  in order to save their reputation.    They may have ruled CB out, but more evidence about him has now come to light,  surely they can't ignore it.    It sickens me to think they would put their reputation before finding out what happened to a small child in their Country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 12, 2020, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 11, 2020, 09:14:50 PM
If that was the case then there’d be no tourism anywhere. British police have lost sight of hundreds of paedophiles who have changed their names by deed poll and the number of rape allegations that don’t lead to charges being brought is truly shocking.

Why did Amaral not do the reconstruction?   Something to do with the tourists if I remember.   How it would have disrupted them I don't know.   It was a quiet time of year the reconstruction would have been late in the evening,  most of the tourists would be off the streets.  Yet he chose not to do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 10:46:24 AM
Quote from: Lace on November 12, 2020, 10:41:37 AM
I hope the Portuguese Police are not going to stop the German Police investigating the case in Portugal,  in order to save their reputation.    They may have ruled CB out, but more evidence about him has now come to light,  surely they can't ignore it.    It sickens me to think they would put their reputation before finding out what happened to a small child in their Country.

I fancy that's all in your imagination.
Why not wait and see what actually happens ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 12, 2020, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 10:46:24 AM
I fancy that's all in your imagination.
Why not wait and see what actually happens ?
Yes, why don't we all keep quiet, not post anything again until something happens - you first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 12:18:09 PM

It will be all over everywhere if The Portuguese Police do get difficult.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 12, 2020, 12:10:21 PM
Yes, why don't we all keep quiet, not post anything again until something happens - you first.

Good advice. Will you follow ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 12:18:09 PM
It will be all over everywhere if The Portuguese Police do get difficult.

You don't think Grange will continue plodding along ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 12:22:51 PM
You don't think Grange will continue plodding along ?

Why should they not?  The PJ so obviously cocked it up, so someone had to do something.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
Why should they not?  The PJ so obviously cocked it up, so someone had to do something.

So in fact it won't be over everywhere as you suggested.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 12:32:58 PM
Quote from: Lace on November 12, 2020, 10:45:50 AM
Why did Amaral not do the reconstruction?   Something to do with the tourists if I remember.   How it would have disrupted them I don't know.   It was a quiet time of year the reconstruction would have been late in the evening,  most of the tourists would be off the streets.  Yet he chose not to do it.

I know it’s been said numerous times but here it is again for the hard of thinking.....it wasn’t Amaral’s decision alone not to carry out a reconstitution.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 12, 2020, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 12:32:58 PM
I know it’s been said numerous times but here it is again for the hard of thinking.....it wasn’t Amaral’s decision alone not to carry out a reconstitution.


Try keeping a civil tongue in your head when replying to me please,  there is no need for such rudeness.  Amaral was leading the investigation wasn't he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: Lace on November 12, 2020, 12:54:34 PM

Try keeping a civil tongue in your head when replying to me please,  there is no need for such rudeness.  Amaral was leading the investigation wasn't he?

It would appear not.

25th May 2007
At a press conference tonight, the detective leading the investigation, Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa, told journalists: "We have a suspect. He is a Caucasian man, 35 to 40 years old, medium build, 5ft 10in tall, hair mainly short, wearing a dark jacket, light or gold trousers and dark shoes.

"At around 21:30 he was walking in the area of Praia da Luz possibly carrying a child or an object that could have been taken as a child."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/25/ukcrime.madeleinemccann


I
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 01:03:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 12:29:38 PM
So in fact it won't be over everywhere as you suggested.

Please don't try to play word games with me.  If The PJ refuse to cooperate with The German Police then it will be widely reported, even if only actually of interest to the likes of us.

As for Operation Grange, they are pursuing the loss of a British Citizen abroad whose case was so inadequately dealt with by the country from which this British Citizen was taken.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 12:32:58 PM
I know it’s been said numerous times but here it is again for the hard of thinking.....it wasn’t Amaral’s decision alone not to carry out a reconstitution.

A bad one though, wasn't it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 01:06:20 PM
I think very few would disagree with that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 01:10:11 PM
It would have been a sure fire way of establishing the accuracy of the time line .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 01:06:20 PM
I think very few would disagree with that.

Thank You.

I actually feel sorry for The PJ these days.  They were way out of their depths while coupled with a mysogynist  who believed that all women are potential child killers, so God knows what was done to him as a child.  So I am able to feel sorry for Amaral as well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 01:41:54 PM
Quote from: Lace on November 12, 2020, 10:41:37 AM
I hope the Portuguese Police are not going to stop the German Police investigating the case in Portugal,  in order to save their reputation.    They may have ruled CB out, but more evidence about him has now come to light,  surely they can't ignore it.    It sickens me to think they would put their reputation before finding out what happened to a small child in their Country.

How can they stop something that never started? Police Forces from one country don't investigate in other countries.
As I understand it, the German Prosecutor Wolters claims to have new evidence, but, it is claimed, he has shared it with no-one.

I'm not absolutely sure, but I suspect that any requests sent to Portugal for information or action would need to include a justification of some kind. The Portuguese letters to the UK were accompanied by a description of their investigation and of the reasons why they needed the rogatory interviews to be carried out.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 12, 2020, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 12:18:44 PM
Good advice. Will you follow ?
As soon as you and your fellow sceptics stop smearing and insinuating and start "waiting and seeing" then I will have nothing more to say, so yes - you go first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 12, 2020, 02:03:36 PM
As soon as you and your fellow sceptics stop smearing and insinuating and start "waiting and seeing" then I will have nothing more to say, so yes - you go first.

Can you provide some evidence of that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 12, 2020, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 02:06:47 PM
Can you provide some evidence of that ?
What, you don't accept the accusation that you smear and insinuate?  How hilarious! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 02:16:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 12, 2020, 02:13:31 PM
What, you don't accept the accusation that you smear and insinuate?  How hilarious!

It's a serious accusation that you should be able to support, or withdraw.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 01:41:54 PM
How can they stop something that never started? Police Forces from one country don't investigate in other countries.
As I understand it, the German Prosecutor Wolters claims to have new evidence, but, it is claimed, he has shared it with no-one.

I'm not absolutely sure, but I suspect that any requests sent to Portugal for information or action would need to include a justification of some kind. The Portuguese letters to the UK were accompanied by a description of their investigation and of the reasons why they needed the rogatory interviews to be carried out.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

How's about, "Why wasn't Brueckner investigated properly, if at all?"  This man had committed crimes in Portugal so he was hardly of no odds to anyone.

But it is likely far too late now.

Just as a matter of interest, what were The PJ's reasons for The Rogatory Interviews?  Do you actually know?
They even got The Smith Family in the Wrong Country and then never bothered to pursue it.  I have to wonder why that was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 02:30:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 02:16:33 PM
It's a serious accusation that you should be able to support, or withdraw.

This coming from forum masters of smear and insinuation. I do find that funny!

I love typing this... The parents have not been charged with abduction because abduction has not been established!

Did CB walk in via the 'unlocked' door left open by mummy or did he jemmy his way via noisy shutters and window of which the daddy was just left and was standing outside.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
How's about, "Why wasn't Brueckner investigated properly, if at all?"  This man had committed crimes in Portugal so he was hardly of no odds to anyone.

But it is likely far too late now.

Just as a matter of interest, what were The PJ's reasons for The Rogatory Interviews?  Do you actually know?
They even got The Smith Family in the Wrong Country and then never bothered to pursue it.  I have to wonder why that was.

He was, there was no evidence linking him to MBM disappearance. Should they have 'fitted him up' with some?

What did they never pursue about the Smith Family? Please explain as I thought the members of the  smith family had returned...

I don't think the PJ did a great job, but then look at the witnesses [T9], they had! and the VERY STRANGE behavior they were faced with by the parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 02:43:42 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 02:30:33 PM
This coming from forum masters of smear and insinuation. I do find that funny!

I love typing this... The parents have not been charged with abduction because abduction has not been established!

Did CB walk in via the 'unlocked' door left open by mummy or did he jemmy his way via noisy shutters and window of which the daddy was just left and was standing outside.

He has a history of burglary  through windows so if he was involved I would say it was the window. It seems he had friends at the OC so was probably familiar with the fact the shutters were easily raised
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 01:41:54 PM
How can they stop something that never started? Police Forces from one country don't investigate in other countries.
As I understand it, the German Prosecutor Wolters claims to have new evidence, but, it is claimed, he has shared it with no-one.

I'm not absolutely sure, but I suspect that any requests sent to Portugal for information or action would need to include a justification of some kind. The Portuguese letters to the UK were accompanied by a description of their investigation and of the reasons why they needed the rogatory interviews to be carried out.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

It would appear there is some cooperation between Germany and Portugal...the rape trial is proof of that. You seem desperate to show CB is not a serious suspect..as do unconfirmed and unofficial sources in portugal.I think you have failed miserably.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 12, 2020, 02:57:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 02:16:33 PM
It's a serious accusation that you should be able to support, or withdraw.
Well this took me all on one minute to find - an insinuation from you that Gerry told a lie in his statement,
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10745.msg533449#msg533449
How many examples do I need to look for before I have proved my case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 02:41:20 PM
He was, there was no evidence linking him to MBM disappearance. Should they have 'fitted him up' with some?

What did they never pursue about the Smith Family? Please explain as I thought the members of the  smith family had returned...

I don't think the PJ did a great job, but then look at the witnesses [T9], they had! and the VERY STRANGE behavior they were faced with by the parents.

The Smith Family were called upon in The Rogatory Interviews, but the Rogatory Letters were served on the wrong Country and were never further called upon.  So much for 60 to 80% certain that it was Gerry.

PS.  It was The PJ who were known for "fitting up" any old person, preferably Mothers.  Ask them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 03:01:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 12, 2020, 02:57:23 PM
Well this took me all on one minute to find - an insinuation from you that Gerry told a lie in his statement,
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10745.msg533449#msg533449
How many examples do I need to look for before I have proved my case?

Thats' my opinion, not an insinuation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 03:01:54 PM
Thats' my opinion, not an insinuation

That is even worse.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 03:09:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 03:03:25 PM
That is even worse.

In your opinion, maybe
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 02:59:00 PM
The Smith Family were called upon in The Rogatory Interviews, but the Rogatory Letters were served on the wrong Country and were never further called upon.  So much for 60 to 80% certain that it was Gerry.

PS.  It was The PJ who were known for "fitting up" any old person, preferably Mothers.  Ask them.


Well, why not take a great opportunity to take a perfect suspect -hated by most normal people and pin it on him?

No tears here mate!

Personally, I would put him on a plane to isis country with 'I am  gay and proud' on his T shirt. Save the planet of one  vile predator murdered by other vile predators.  Hmm perfik
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 03:16:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 12, 2020, 02:47:26 PM
It would appear there is some cooperation between Germany and Portugal...the rape trial is proof of that. You seem desperate to show CB is not a serious suspect..as do unconfirmed and unofficial sources in portugal.I think you have failed miserably.


I am not desperate of anything.  The creature is vile I have said that. I would be happy if he was charged and imprisoned for vile crimes against anyone. I am not convinced about his involvement with MBM due to lack of evidence being shared and acted upon by those claiming they have it.

There is little evidence that the MCCANNS were involved in their daughters disappearance- yet you accept that no problem in the case of Brueckner. Tsk

REMOVED MY CHALLENGE.   How quaint.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 12, 2020, 03:33:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 03:01:54 PM
Thats' my opinion, not an insinuation
You don't think opinions can smear and insinuate?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 03:37:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 12, 2020, 03:33:19 PM
You don't think opinions can smear and insinuate?


Ask Elenor... I suppose it depends on who is doing the smearing and insinuating. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 03:09:45 PM

Well, why not take a great opportunity to take a perfect suspect -hated by most normal people and pin it on him?

No tears here mate!

Personally, I would put him on a plane to isis country with 'I am  gay and proud' on his T shirt. Save the planet of one  vile predator murdered by other vile predators.  Hmm perfik

Anti Gay, are you?  That figures.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 03:16:20 PM

I am not desperate of anything.  The creature is vile I have said that. I would be happy if he was charged and imprisoned for vile crimes against anyone. I am not convinced about his involvement with MBM due to lack of evidence being shared and acted upon by those claiming they have it.

There is little evidence that the MCCANNS were involved in their daughters disappearance- yet you accept that no problem in the case of Brueckner. Tsk

REMOVED MY CHALLENGE.   How quaint.
I said he ca be considered a serious suspect....I would s ay there is enough evidence to justify that..but I'm not sure you are up to date with the evidence against him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 03:55:48 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
How's about, "Why wasn't Brueckner investigated properly, if at all?"  This man had committed crimes in Portugal so he was hardly of no odds to anyone.

But it is likely far too late now.

Just as a matter of interest, what were The PJ's reasons for The Rogatory Interviews?  Do you actually know?
They even got The Smith Family in the Wrong Country and then never bothered to pursue it.  I have to wonder why that was.

If you follow the link I provided you can read the PJ's justification for yourself. Have you a cite for them getting the Smith family in the wrong country? I don't remember seeing that claim before.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 04:03:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 03:55:48 PM
If you follow the link I provided you can read the PJ's justification for yourself. Have you a cite for them getting the Smith family in the wrong country? I don't remember seeing that claim before.

It's quite simple.  The Rogatory Letter was served on The UK.  The Smiths live in Eire.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 04:03:44 PM
It's quite simple.  The Rogatory Letter was served on The UK. The Smiths live in Eire.

I don't think you have the facts correct. Where did you get your information please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
This facebook profile was active for many months. It has since been removed. How cruel. And, who is the girl depicted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:07:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
This facebook profile was active for many months. It has since been removed. How cruel. And, who is the girl depicted?

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths that people will go to.
As a matter of interest, how did you  discover this now non-existent site ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:10:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:07:55 PM
As a matter of interest, how did you  discover this now non-existent site ?
Are you familiar with facebook?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:11:14 PM
Not at all.  Nor Twitter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 07:11:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 05:25:13 PM
I don't think you have the facts correct. Where did you get your information please?


The PJ didn't ask for rogs from the Smiths via the UK- it was just the T9.. but don't tell anyone...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:10:16 PM
Are you familiar with facebook?

What’s your point ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 07:15:00 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 07:11:35 PM

The PJ didn't ask for rogs from the Smiths via the UK- it was just the T9.. but don't tell anyone...

Well, you and I know that it was the T7 and other UK residents, but Eleanor seems to have been misinformed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:16:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:11:14 PM
Not at all.  Nor Twitter.
To me, facebook is a valuable resource. When searching for ‘Christian Brückner’ or ‘Christian Brueckner’ this image shows up. There is another facebook profile that is interesting and may correlate with Brückner’s real identity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 12, 2020, 07:17:22 PM
The photo on the left looks like Madeleine but not the other,
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=18223;image
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
This facebook profile was active for many months. It has since been removed. How cruel. And, who is the girl depicted?

It may well have been removed by Facebook, in which case I don't think it should be mentioned here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
This facebook profile was active for many months. It has since been removed. How cruel. And, who is the girl depicted?

If this site is no longer active, why are you bothering to bring it people's attention now ? 
Why not when it was active ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 07:20:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 07:15:00 PM
Well, you and I know that it was the T7 and other UK residents, but Eleanor seems to have been misinformed.

Best not to challenge- I got a warning for editing my post LMAO  It is all make believe.



How the little snowflakes fall  and melt!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:18:02 PM
If this site is no longer active, why are you bothering to bring it people's attention now ? 
Why not when it was active ?

I was wondering that myself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:18:02 PM
If this site is no longer active, why are you bothering to bring it people's attention now ? 
Why not when it was active ?
Why not? Why does it matter if it is an active account or not? It has been recorded.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:28:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 07:17:52 PM
It may well have been removed by Facebook, in which case I don't think it should be mentioned here.
Please explain why not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:27:33 PM
Why not? Why does it matter if it is an active account or not? It has been recorded.

I would have thought it more relevant to expose it at the time.
What is the point in doing it now ?


I'm sure it has been recorded by those who bother about such things .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:27:33 PM
Why not? Why does it matter if it is an active account or not? It has been recorded.

Is it Brueckner’s?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:33:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:29:29 PM
I would have thought it more relevant to expose it at the time.
What is the point in doing it now ?
Looking back at pictures, files, information etc, have reference. Why are you questioning me sharing this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 07:32:54 PM
Is it Brueckner’s?

How can we possibly know , now that it is inactive ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:35:30 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 07:32:54 PM
Is it Brueckner’s?
I don’t know. I am sharing what is out there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
This facebook profile was active for many months. It has since been removed. How cruel. And, who is the girl depicted?

this is more of  a six year  old....look at the lower teeth...and the girl has a much higher lip line...so I dont think its Maddie
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:36:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:33:25 PM
Looking back at pictures, files, information etc, have reference. Why are you questioning me sharing this?

Of course, but you  haven't given a reference, only put up a couple of pictures.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:37:04 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:35:30 PM
I don’t know. I am sharing what is out there.

But if it's inactive, then it isn't out there any more. - except by your efforts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:44:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:36:16 PM
Of course, but you  haven't given a reference, only put up a couple of pictures.
Jassi, by your own admission, you are not familiar with social media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:44:29 PM
Jassi, by your own admission, you are not familiar with social media.

Quite, but how do these pictures link back to anything ?

For all I know, you might have created them yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 07:47:43 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:35:30 PM
I don’t know. I am sharing what is out there.

You are sharing something which isn't out there, without knowing who created it, why they created it and why it's been deleted. For what purpose?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:50:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 12, 2020, 07:36:11 PM
this is more of  a six year  old....look at the lower teeth...and the girl has a much higher lip line...so I dont think its Maddie
Yes Davel. I am not suggesting it is the same girl. I was merely sharing what is on social media. And how inappropriate it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:50:02 PM
Yes Davel. I am not suggesting it is the same girl. I was merely sharing what is on social media. And how inappropriate it is.

But by your own admission, it isn't out there any more.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:35:30 PM
I don’t know. I am sharing what is out there.

Do you think there’s other Christian Brueckners out there ? Do you think the profile might be theirs ? Do you think it was deactivated because people like you were sharing possibly their daughter’s photograph ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:50:02 PM
Yes Davel. I am not suggesting it is the same girl. I was merely sharing what is on social media. And how inappropriate it is.

How do you know it’s inappropriate ? See my previous post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:58:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 07:47:43 PM
You are sharing something which isn't out there, without knowing who created it, why they created it and why it's been deleted. For what purpose?
If this is your stance, please moderate and remove my post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 07:54:17 PM
Do you think there’s other Christian Bruckner's out there ? Do you think the profile might be theirs ? Do you think it was deactivated because people like you were sharing possibly their daughter’s photograph ?

Yes, Indeed a stand alone picture with no obvious signs of abuse- looks nothing like MBM.
 Why do we need to see it what is the message  you want us to  know?

I am only guessing but 'Bruckner'  does sound like a German Name  oh and he is German Tsk. what a coincidence.

I find it quite disturbing that people are scrolling through face book  trying to find the 'real' Christian Bruckner. Clicking on the name  and perhaps making libel claims.

My name is Scottish, many thousands in Scotland have the same.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:05:27 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
Yes, Indeed a stand alone picture with no obvious signs of abuse- looks nothing like MBM.
 Why do we need to see it what is the message  you want us to  know?

I am only guessing but 'Bruckner'  does sound like a German Name  oh and he is German Tsk. what a coincidence.

I find it quite disturbing that people are scrolling through face book  trying to find the 'real' Christian Bruckner. Clicking on the name  and perhaps making libel claims.

My name is Scottish, many thousands in Scotland have the same.

Indeed. This kind of stalking really needs to stop.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 08:05:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 07:54:17 PM
Do you think there’s other Christian Brueckners out there ? Do you think the profile might be theirs ? Do you think it was deactivated because people like you were sharing possibly their daughter’s photograph ?
Surely you realise that once you use social media as a platform, all of you is out ‘there’. ‘People like me?’ ‘Sharing their daughter’s photograph’. Are you serious?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:58:07 PM
If this is your stance, please moderate and remove my post.

I would prefer it if you understood why it's not useful or appropriate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 08:07:37 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:05:27 PM
Indeed. This kind of stalking really needs to stop.
How is this stalking?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 08:07:52 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:05:27 PM
Indeed. This kind of stalking really needs to stop.

Why bother, it clearly gives him pleasure even when it achieves nothing of any value
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:05:27 PM
Indeed. This kind of stalking really needs to stop.

hilarious
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 08:09:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 07:56:21 PM
How do you know it’s inappropriate ? See my previous post.
Inappropriate in the sense of likely creating a (fake) profile, drawing a comparison.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:10:48 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 08:05:43 PM
Surely you realise that once you use social media as a platform, all of you is out ‘there’. ‘People like me?’ ‘Sharing their daughter’s photograph’. Are you serious?

I am....deadly.

How do you know that this isn’t the daughter of another Christian Brueckner ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 08:06:16 PM
I would prefer it if you understood why it's not useful or appropriate.
Can you please explain the gist of your reprimand.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:10:48 PM
I am....deadly.

How do you know that this isn’t the daughter of another Christian Brueckner ?

Or even some  one pretending to be a Christian Brueckner for malicious purposes ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2020, 08:07:52 PM
Why bother, it clearly gives him pleasure even when it achieves nothing of any value

I would like to know the inappropriateness of it.. and why it would be appropriate on this forum.

Someone went to the bother of showing two pictures one with MBM an the other with an innocent child who maybe didn't want her photograph to be placed next to MBMs.   Perhaps her parents are furious at the comparison! Remember the witch hunt for little blonde girls and the gypsies camps being raided...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 08:15:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:10:48 PM
I am....deadly.

How do you know that this isn’t the daughter of another Christian Brueckner ?
I don’t. What do you suggest, given the context?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 08:18:49 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 08:15:25 PM
I would like to know the inappropriateness of it.. and why it would be appropriate on this forum.

Someone went to the bother of showing two pictures one with MBM an the other with an innocent child who maybe didn't want her photograph to be placed next to MBMs.   Perhaps her parents are furious at the comparison! Remember the witch hunt for little blonde girls and the gypsies camps being raided...


I dont see anything wrong with posting it. What I see is several posters panicking and disrupting because the bottom is falling out of their world...all those years posting...studying the files....starting FB groups. only to be proved wrong...it must be an awful thing to contemplate....alll my opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 08:15:43 PM
I don’t. What do you suggest, given the context?

There is no context.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 08:22:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:19:33 PM
There is no context.

Whats it like being able to continuously post your subjective opinion as fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 08:23:11 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:19:33 PM
There is no context.
In that case, I suggest you go to facebook and search for Christian Brückner/Brueckner. The context lies within.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 08:24:22 PM
FB has been extremely useful in helping to solve crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 08:26:14 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 08:23:11 PM
In that case, I suggest you go to facebook and search for Christian Brückner/Brueckner. The context lies within.

I would like to know the context you speak of. if it was 'inappropriate' why bring it here?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 08:23:11 PM
In that case, I suggest you go to facebook and search for Christian Brückner/Brueckner. The context lies within.

This kind of behaviour is why Facebook users set their pages to the highest privacy settings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 08:36:59 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:31:41 PM
This kind of behaviour is why Facebook users set their pages to the highest privacy settings.

Yes , some have private family or friend groups. or shared interests groups only businesses have open FB accounts for advertising their wares.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 08:40:31 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:31:41 PM
This kind of behaviour is why Facebook users set their pages to the highest privacy settings.

well the sort of thing CB was getting up to that was very wise.....Im sure you agree with that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 08:56:02 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 03:44:46 PM
Anti Gay, are you?  That figures.

What figures? that is twice you have made accusations about me from your open hatred towards me. (Which I find amusing)

The post is very clear in its message. ISIS hate gay people and behead them or throw them from great heights!

Hence why I would add that to the T shirt. But then you knew that. More to be pitied than scolded my gran would say.

  I feel sorry as it It must be sad being elderly as this is all life has to offer. Being bitter and angry not great traits does this figure anywhere?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 08:56:02 PM
What figures? that is twice you have made accusations about me from your open hatred towards me. (Which I find amusing)

The post is very clear in its message. ISIS hate gay people and behead them or throw them from great heights!

Hence why I would add that to the T shirt. But then you knew that. More to be pitied than scolded my gran would say.

  I feel sorry as it It must be sad being elderly as this is all life has to offer. Being bitter and angry not great traits does this figure anywhere?

all the bitterness is coming from you...you seem absolutely full of it..More to be pitied than scolded your  gran would say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 12, 2020, 08:58:33 PM
all the bitterness is coming from you...you seem absolutely full of it..More to be pitied than scolded your  gran would say.


OOh hit a nerve. Sorry.    8**8:/:
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2020, 09:13:36 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 12, 2020, 08:56:02 PM
What figures? that is twice you have made accusations about me from your open hatred towards me. (Which I find amusing)

The post is very clear in its message. ISIS hate gay people and behead them or throw them from great heights!

Hence why I would add that to the T shirt. But then you knew that. More to be pitied than scolded my gran would say.

  I feel sorry as it It must be sad being elderly as this is all life has to offer. Being bitter and angry not great traits does this figure anywhere?

What a horrible nasty post. Growing old is a privilege...the alternative...dying young...is far worse
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 05:25:13 PM
I don't think you have the facts correct. Where did you get your information please?

Check The Search Facility on this Forum.  There are several mentions of an incorrectly delivered Rogatory Letter to The Smith Family which was never submitted correctly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 09:20:17 PM
Check The Search Facility on this Forum.  There are several mentions of an incorrectly delivered Rogatory Letter to The Smith Family which was never submitted correctly.

In which case you will have no problem providing a cite as requested.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 10:33:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2020, 10:26:15 PM
In which case you will have no problem providing a cite as requested.

No.  Do it yourself.  It isn't difficult.  I've told where to find them and on this very Forum.  And there are several.  Although I don't care if you do or not.

You have virtually accused me of lying.  Why would I do that over something so innocuous?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 11:15:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 12, 2020, 09:13:36 PM
What a horrible nasty post. Growing old is a privilege...the alternative...dying young...is far worse

Absolutely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 13, 2020, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 12, 2020, 09:20:17 PM
Check The Search Facility on this Forum.  There are several mentions of an incorrectly delivered Rogatory Letter to The Smith Family which was never submitted correctly.

I have seen it said on the forum on many occasions ~ I have also read it in MSM (if I happen upon it again some time in the future, I shall be only too sure to post it up just for the record😊) ~ so I would say at one time it was trivial information which everyone knew about.

Montclair said it in 2013 as did Anne Guedes and all without challenge.
For your information, Gonçalo Amaral was getting the plane tickets and reserving hotel rooms for the Smith family when he was taken off the case. His successor, Paulo Rebelo, cancelled everything and sent rogatory letters instead and to make it worse sent them to the UK instead of the Republic of Ireland. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2639.msg88668#msg88668
Singularly very little after more that 5 millions pounds, apart from the brilliant pyjama demonstration !
And old stuff hardly operational.
Why didn't they interview the Smith family ? They saw, in the Files, that Paulo Rebelo,  for some reason and after sending a rogatory letter to the UK instead of to Ireland, renounced to interview the Smith family again. Why did they do the same ? http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96651#msg96651
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 12:49:51 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 13, 2020, 12:44:09 AM
I have seen it said on the forum on many occasions ~ I have also read it in MSM (if I happen upon it again some time in the future, I shall be only too sure to post it up just for the record😊) ~ so I would say at one time it was trivial information which everyone knew about.

Montclair said it in 2013 as did Anne Guedes and all without challenge.
For your information, Gonçalo Amaral was getting the plane tickets and reserving hotel rooms for the Smith family when he was taken off the case. His successor, Paulo Rebelo, cancelled everything and sent rogatory letters instead and to make it worse sent them to the UK instead of the Republic of Ireland. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2639.msg88668#msg88668
Singularly very little after more that 5 millions pounds, apart from the brilliant pyjama demonstration !
And old stuff hardly operational.
Why didn't they interview the Smith family ? They saw, in the Files, that Paulo Rebelo,  for some reason and after sending a rogatory letter to the UK instead of to Ireland, renounced to interview the Smith family again. Why did they do the same ? http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96651#msg96651

Thank You.

Yes, that is just two of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 13, 2020, 01:06:04 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 12:49:51 AM
Thank You.

Yes, that is just two of them.

There are loads of them.  I found this one translated by ASTRO quite informative from the Portuguese point of view from the time.
Irishman was already discarded - 24Horas
by astro 12 years ago
Gonçalo Amaral placed a strong bet on this witness

Irishman was already discarded

When he was discharged, the former investigator of the Maddie case was preparing to hear an Irishman, who was considered to be a very relevant witness. But the present investigators don’t give him credibility

The statements from the Irish citizen who is considered to be a key witness in the Maddie case by Gonçalo Amaral, the man who lead the entire investigation, were not considered to be relevant by the investigators from the Polícia Judiciária who presently hold the process.

During the two depositions, both informal, the Irishman who is only known as “Smith” said that he saw the father of Madeleine McCann, Gerry, leaving the apartment in Praia da Luz, Lagos, Algarve, carrying a child on the day that the little girl disappeared. This, during the period of time between 6 and 10 p.m., precisely when Maddie disappeared.

“He was one of the witnesses that should be questioned within the rogatory letter that was sent to England. But, due to the fact that he is an Irish citizen, the authorities in Leicester, England, failed to contact him. The diligence was not deemed relevant, given the fact that he was informally heard at the beginning of the process and his depositions were highly contradictory”, a senior officer who is connected to the investigations revealed to 24Horas.

The same source specified: “First he said that he saw Maddie’s father leaving the apartment carrying a child. But during a second hearing he said he was not certain that it was Gerry who carried the child. He even said he could not assert whether said person was actually carrying a human being. This type of witness is not admissible in court and they do not deserve credibility”.
It is now up to prosecutor Magalhães e Meneses, who is analyzing the process, to decide whether it is necessary to carry out further diligences, namely whether the hearing of the Irish citizen is necessary or not to reach a decision about the case, which apparently is to be archived concerning the suspicions of concealment of a cadaver and possible homicide that are pending on the McCanns.
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/07/irishman-was-already-discarded-24horas.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on November 13, 2020, 01:21:18 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 12, 2020, 08:05:27 PM
Indeed. This kind of stalking really needs to stop.

i have told  Anthro before they shouldnt  randomly share  kids  photos on here
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 13, 2020, 01:27:33 AM
Quote from: Anthro on November 12, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
This facebook profile was active for many months. It has since been removed. How cruel. And, who is the girl depicted?

Excellent investigation work Anthro.  Like Davel there are things about the second little girls face which make me think she is not Madeleine, but so many likenesses.  Well done, you.

What a pleasure to find someone on this forum who is as capable and prepared to think "Out of the box" as freely as you do.  There are a handful able to do it, some do it in small ways, but I think they are scared of being ridiculed.   

American experts think that in cases like  the Madeleine McCann mystery, which are unsolved after many years thinking vertically, the correct approach is to think laterally.  They suggest that the Police do not have the necessary skills for the best methods of problem solving and suggest that Design Engineers have the necessary skills.   Seems to me that Anthropologists might also have these skills !

A few years ago I posted a well researched American Police report outlining this, but I doubt many read it, cos it was long and rather dry.   I don't have a clue where it might be now.  It may well be wiped.  Maybe someone can find it.

Most on here, especially the sceptics, are only capable of vertical thinking … and I must say it, some, especially supporters are fabulous at that. 
But how we might progress if only they could loosen up and start thinking alternative ways - as you, Anthro, do so capably.


Take no notice of the ridicule Anthro.   Some are showing themselves up as total ignoramuses.  It seems to me that they know that they are losing and are becoming desperate and unnecessarily rude.

Keep them coming Anthro.   My bet is that SY were astounded and very interested in your ?last? piece of evidence, which was quite brilliantly worked out.


BTW, anyone wondering why SY are NOT agreeing with either The German Police NOR the Portuguese about Madeleine being dead ?   It is because of people like Anthro (and I hope me) finding things "Out of the rigid  box" that most Police are working to.    Using outmoded methods.

All IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 13, 2020, 01:55:09 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on November 13, 2020, 01:21:18 AM
i have told  Anthro before they shouldnt  randomly share  kids  photos on here

Oh, twaddle, Carly.    Could have been that Anthro had made an important discovery that would have helped find missing Madeleine.

That other girl is now much older; the photos are totally out of date … and it was posted on Facebook for a time.   Too late to complain, Carly, after it had already been shown to the world.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 13, 2020, 06:00:26 AM
Quote from: sadie on November 13, 2020, 01:55:09 AM
Oh, twaddle, Carly.    Could have been that Anthro had made an important discovery that would have helped find missing Madeleine.

That other girl is now much older; the photos are totally out of date … and it was posted on Facebook for a time.   Too late to complain, Carly, after it had already been shown to the world.
Then it needs passing onto the Germans they're saying Madeleine is dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 13, 2020, 07:18:51 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on November 13, 2020, 01:21:18 AM
i have told  Anthro before they shouldnt  randomly share  kids  photos on here

Please refrain from instructing me what I should or shouldn’t share.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 13, 2020, 07:22:12 AM
Quote from: sadie on November 13, 2020, 01:27:33 AM
Excellent investigation work Anthro.  Like Davel there are things about the second little girls face which make me think she is not Madeleine, but so many likenesses.  Well done, you.

What a pleasure to find someone on this forum who is as capable and prepared to think "Out of the box" as freely as you do.  There are a handful able to do it, some do it in small ways, but I think they are scared of being ridiculed.   

American experts think that in cases like  the Madeleine McCann mystery, which are unsolved after many years thinking vertically, the correct approach is to think laterally.  They suggest that the Police do not have the necessary skills for the best methods of problem solving and suggest that Design Engineers have the necessary skills.   Seems to me that Anthropologists might also have these skills !

A few years ago I posted a well researched American Police report outlining this, but I doubt many read it, cos it was long and rather dry.   I don't have a clue where it might be now.  It may well be wiped.  Maybe someone can find it.

Most on here, especially the sceptics, are only capable of vertical thinking … and I must say it, some, especially supporters are fabulous at that. 
But how we might progress if only they could loosen up and start thinking alternative ways - as you, Anthro, do so capably.


Take no notice of the ridicule Anthro.   Some are showing themselves up as total ignoramuses.  It seems to me that they know that they are losing and are becoming desperate and unnecessarily rude.

Keep them coming Anthro.   My bet is that SY were astounded and very interested in your ?last? piece of evidence, which was quite brilliantly worked out.


BTW, anyone wondering why SY are NOT agreeing with either The German Police NOR the Portuguese about Madeleine being dead ?   It is because of people like Anthro (and I hope me) finding things "Out of the rigid  box" that most Police are working to.    Using outmoded methods.

All IMO

‘Take no notice of the ridicule Anthro.’
Thank you, Sadie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 13, 2020, 10:04:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 13, 2020, 01:06:04 AM
There are loads of them.  I found this one translated by ASTRO quite informative from the Portuguese point of view from the time.
Irishman was already discarded - 24Horas
by astro 12 years ago
Gonçalo Amaral placed a strong bet on this witness

Irishman was already discarded

When he was discharged, the former investigator of the Maddie case was preparing to hear an Irishman, who was considered to be a very relevant witness. But the present investigators don’t give him credibility

The statements from the Irish citizen who is considered to be a key witness in the Maddie case by Gonçalo Amaral, the man who lead the entire investigation, were not considered to be relevant by the investigators from the Polícia Judiciária who presently hold the process.

During the two depositions, both informal, the Irishman who is only known as “Smith” said that he saw the father of Madeleine McCann, Gerry, leaving the apartment in Praia da Luz, Lagos, Algarve, carrying a child on the day that the little girl disappeared. This, during the period of time between 6 and 10 p.m., precisely when Maddie disappeared.

He was one of the witnesses that should be questioned within the rogatory letter that was sent to England. But, due to the fact that he is an Irish citizen, the authorities in Leicester, England, failed to contact him. The diligence was not deemed relevant, given the fact that he was informally heard at the beginning of the process and his depositions were highly contradictory”,[/color] a senior officer who is connected to the investigations revealed to 24Horas.

The same source specified: “First he said that he saw Maddie’s father leaving the apartment carrying a child. But during a second hearing he said he was not certain that it was Gerry who carried the child. He even said he could not assert whether said person was actually carrying a human being. This type of witness is not admissible in court and they do not deserve credibility”.
It is now up to prosecutor Magalhães e Meneses, who is analyzing the process, to decide whether it is necessary to carry out further diligences, namely whether the hearing of the Irish citizen is necessary or not to reach a decision about the case, which apparently is to be archived concerning the suspicions of concealment of a cadaver and possible homicide that are pending on the McCanns.
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/07/irishman-was-already-discarded-24horas.html

Thank you, Brietta.

It seems that is the source, and at the time it was written the files hadn't been released, so no-one knew it was incorrect; and not just about the rogatory letter. I've bolded all the misinformation for future reference.

So what really happened?

Mr Smith rang Leicestershire police on 20th September 2007 and reported his new information.
They notified DIC Portimao on the same day.
Paiva rang Smith on 27th September and Smith said he would be happy to return to Portugal and make another statement if required.
In October Kelly's was visited, but 'concrete' evidence of the Smith's visit wasn't obtained.
In November it was decided to take Smith's statement in Ireland and the Irish police liaison officer for the Iberian peninsular Bernard Gattney, based in Madrid agreed to arrange it.
All the information and a list of questions to be asked was sent to Gattney on 8th November.
On 19th February 2008 Gattney faxed Smith's second statement (taken by Liam Hogan) to Portimao.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Mr Smith was not included in the Rogatory requests, the first of which was dated 23/01/2008.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 13, 2020, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 13, 2020, 10:04:19 AM
Thank you, Brietta.

It seems that is the source, and at the time it was written the files hadn't been released, so no-one knew it was incorrect; and not just about the rogatory letter. I've bolded all the misinformation for future reference.

So what really happened?

Mr Smith rang Leicestershire police on 20th September 2007 and reported his new information.
They notified DIC Portimao on the same day.
Paiva rang Smith on 27th September and Smith said he would be happy to return to Portugal and make another statement if required.
In October Kelly's was visited, but 'concrete' evidence of the Smith's visit wasn't obtained.
In November it was decided to take Smith's statement in Ireland and the Irish police liaison officer for the Iberian peninsular Bernard Gattney, based in Madrid agreed to arrange it.
All the information and a list of questions to be asked was sent to Gattney on 8th November.
On 19th February 2008 Gattney faxed Smith's second statement (taken by Liam Hogan) to Portimao.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Mr Smith was not included in the Rogatory requests, the first of which was dated 23/01/2008.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

The title of the thread is ..New German suspect.
It's time to move on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 13, 2020, 11:42:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 13, 2020, 10:41:44 AM
The title of the thread is ..New German suspect.
It's time to move on.

No worries, the matter has been clarified and the source of an untrue rumour has been found. Do you have any thoughts on the point I was making when interrupted? That requests for legal assistance from Germany to Portugal may have included more information about their investigation than has been released to the public?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 13, 2020, 11:55:12 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 13, 2020, 11:42:19 AM
No worries, the matter has been clarified and the source of an untrue rumour has been found. Do you have any thoughts on the point I was making when interrupted? That requests for legal assistance from Germany to Portugal may have included more information about their investigation than has been released to the public?
None whatsoever...I'm more interested in CB as prime suspect and the evidence against him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 13, 2020, 01:42:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 13, 2020, 11:55:12 AM
None whatsoever...I'm more interested in CB as prime suspect and the evidence against him
Well, tell us something new then!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 13, 2020, 02:02:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 13, 2020, 11:55:12 AM
None whatsoever...I'm more interested in CB as prime suspect and the evidence against him

Which the Portuguese may have some knowledge of through letters of request. Therefore it's possible they have assessed the German case against CB and found it weak.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 13, 2020, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 13, 2020, 02:02:47 PM
Which the Portuguese may have some knowledge of through letters of request. Therefore it's possible they have assessed the German case against CB and found it weak.
Pure speculation with no real evidence to support it.
We know Wolters said he is not sharing his strong evidence with the Portuguese
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 13, 2020, 02:46:29 PM
One thing's for sure, if Wolters isn't sharing his evidence with the Portuguese, he certainly isn't sharing it with forum members, so it's all speculation and guesswork
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 13, 2020, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 13, 2020, 02:46:29 PM
One thing's for sure, if Wolters isn't sharing his evidence with the Portuguese, he certainly isn't sharing it with forum members, so it's all speculation and guesswork

Its not guesswork. I see sceptics just cannot accept there may  well be evidence to prove stranger abduction....from everything Ive seen....Im confident there is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 13, 2020, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 13, 2020, 02:58:55 PM
Its not guesswork. I see sceptics just cannot accept there may  well be evidence to prove stranger abduction....from everything Ive seen....Im confident there is

You’ve seen Wolter say he has strong evidence....absolutely nothing else.

Of course you have also seen the PJ saying the evidence claimed by Wolter amounts to nothing. You chose to ignore it.
You have also seen that SY is still treating this as a missing persons and not murder case. You chose  to ignore that too.
You have also seen that in almost six months not one charge has been filed against Brueckner in relation to Madeleine’s disappearance, despite, we are told, strong evidence of his involvement. You chose to ignore that.

Now imagine that it was Amaral who said that he had strong evidence against the parents but refused to divulge it and brought no charges for 6 months....be honest, what would you think ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 03:27:14 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 13, 2020, 03:21:56 PM
You’ve seen Wolter say he has strong evidence....absolutely nothing else.

Of course you have also seen the PJ saying the evidence claimed by Wolter amounts to nothing. You chose to ignore it.
You have also seen that SY is still treating this as a missing persons and not murder case. You chose  to ignore that too.
You have also seen that in almost six months not one charge has been filed against Brueckner in relation to Madeleine’s disappearance, despite, we are told, strong evidence of his involvement. You chose to ignore that.

Now imagine that it was Amaral who said that he had strong evidence against the parents but refused to divulge it and brought no charges for 6 months....be honest, what would you think ?

I thought Amaral did just that.  Thirteen years later we are still waiting for his Ace.

Or was that just a Rumour?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 03:29:08 PM

I hope that Brueckner abducted Madeleine and sold her to a loving couple.

That solution would suit me nicely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 13, 2020, 03:32:36 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 13, 2020, 03:21:56 PM
You’ve seen Wolter say he has strong evidence....absolutely nothing else.

Of course you have also seen the PJ saying the evidence claimed by Wolter amounts to nothing. You chose to ignore it.
You have also seen that SY is still treating this as a missing persons and not murder case. You chose  to ignore that too.
You have also seen that in almost six months not one charge has been filed against Brueckner in relation to Madeleine’s disappearance, despite, we are told, strong evidence of his involvement. You chose to ignore that.

Now imagine that it was Amaral who said that he had strong evidence against the parents but refused to divulge it and brought no charges for 6 months....be honest, what would you think ?
I'm ignoring nothing. The PJ opinion is an anonymous source to the sun...I don't ignore it.....I question bits validity

SY treating it as missing person..I don't ignore it...the Germans haven't shared the evidence

No charges...I don't ignore that either..and I've explained why. Your post is woefully misinformed...your motto..keep up to date read the Sun...isn't very sensible
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 13, 2020, 03:33:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 03:29:08 PM
I hope that Brueckner abducted Madeleine and sold her to a loving couple.

That solution would suit me nicely.

How would you square that with Wolter's claim that Brueckner murdered Madeleine ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 13, 2020, 03:33:13 PM
How would you square that with Wolter's claim that Brueckner murdered Madeleine ?

I said   "I Hope."  I don't have to square Wolter's claim with anything at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 13, 2020, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 04:07:27 PM
I said   "I Hope."  I don't have to square Wolter's claim with anything at the moment.

The positions are diametrically opposed, so if you hope that he gave Madeleine away, then surely  you must also hope that Wolters is wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 13, 2020, 04:22:02 PM
The positions are diametrically opposed, so if you hope that he gave Madeleine away, then surely  you must also hope that Wolters is wrong.

I hope Wolters is right about Brueckner abducting Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 13, 2020, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 03:29:08 PM
I hope that Brueckner abducted Madeleine and sold her to a loving couple.

That solution would suit me nicely.

Unfortunately life isn’t that kind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 13, 2020, 04:46:27 PM
Unfortunately life isn’t that kind.

It can be.  Never Give Up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 13, 2020, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 04:23:59 PM
I hope Wolters is right about Brueckner abducting Madeleine.

But he’s a vicious, predatory paedophile with no record of human trafficking. Doesn’t that give you pause for thought ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 04:55:03 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 13, 2020, 04:49:35 PM
But he’s a vicious, predatory paedophile with no record of human trafficking. Doesn’t that give you pause for thought ?

Everything on this Forum gives me pause for thought.  But I try not to let it upset me too much.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on November 13, 2020, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 04:23:59 PM
I hope Wolters is right about Brueckner abducting Madeleine.

Wolters says he killed her so no happy ending if he is to be believed.

In fact, the McCanns don't even believe him and they are the child's parents and should have been amongst the very first to be told the truth. IMO Wolters is guessing and doesn't know the truth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: John on November 13, 2020, 04:56:52 PM
Wolters says he killed her so no happy ending if he is to be believed.

In fact, the McCanns don't even believe him and they are the child's parents and should have been amongst the very first to be told the truth. IMO Wolters is guessing and doesn't know the truth.

But Brueckner could have abducted Madeleine and then sold her to a loving couple.

Okay okay, it's a long shot, but still possible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 13, 2020, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 05:02:29 PM
But Brueckner could have abducted Madeleine and then sold her to a loving couple.

Okay okay, it's a long shot, but still possible.
If he sold her it wouldn’t have been to very nice people IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 13, 2020, 05:09:35 PM
If he sold her it wouldn’t have been to very nice people IMO.

How do you know that?

Nope.  I am not being put off my happy ending.  And it's not over til the fat lady sings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 13, 2020, 05:14:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 05:13:20 PM
How do you know that?

Nope.  I am not being put off my happy ending.  And it's not over til the fat lady sings.
I don’t know anything but what sort of people would buy a child off a creep like Brückner?  Not very nice ones IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 13, 2020, 05:20:40 PM
Quote from: John on November 13, 2020, 04:56:52 PM
Wolters says he killed her so no happy ending if he is to be believed.

In fact, the McCanns don't even believe him and they are the child's parents and should have been amongst the very first to be told the truth. IMO Wolters is guessing and doesn't know the truth.

Wolters said he felt the parents would prefer not to jeopardise the investigation....and revealing his evidence might do that. Hes speaking not just for himself but for the whole team....I think he has what he claims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 05:21:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 13, 2020, 05:14:42 PM
I don’t know anything but what sort of people would buy a child off a creep like Brückner?  Not very nice ones IMO.

But at least Brueckner knew how to do it.  Nice men rarely do.  Horses for courses and all that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 13, 2020, 05:40:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 05:13:20 PM
How do you know that?

Nope.  I am not being put off my happy ending.  And it's not over til the fat lady sings.


I don't think there will be a happy ending, whatever the outcome.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 13, 2020, 05:40:26 PM

I don't think there will be a happy ending, whatever the outcome.

Of course there can't be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 13, 2020, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 05:50:31 PM
Of course there can't be.

But you just said that's what you are hoping for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 13, 2020, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 05:50:31 PM
Of course there can't be.
Thought you believed the girl was sold on,if reunited would that not be a happy ending,the twins would get a big sister they never really knew.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 05:55:46 PM

Sheesh.  Don't you all know when you're having your legs pulled?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 13, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
I thought you were always deadly serious about your hopes and beliefs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 13, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
I thought you were always deadly serious about your hopes and beliefs.

I believe in Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  Make what you may of that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 13, 2020, 07:04:26 PM
This is a translation from ‘Der Spiegel’, source: F Ryan.

Suspect in the Maddie case

Accused B. around 2007, missing Madeleine McCann around 2007

Braunschweig, June 2013. Anja K. and her daughter visit a man she met through the Internet portal Chat2000. Christian B. lives with two dogs in the back room of a run-down kiosk in Braunschweig. There wasn't much going on with him, only once did they get physically closer, Anja K. will later tell the police. She got to know him as a child and animal lover.

When she is back home in the evening, she sends him a text message: "We arrived safely, it was nice again, the time with you is good for me! You are also someone special to me. I am glad to know you."

For the daughter, four years old, the visit was a nightmare. When the police searched the kiosk the next summer, she discovered a digital camera. On the SD card are hundreds of pictures and videos with child pornography as well as photos from that visit. One shows the daughter with her legs spread in a meadow, B. has pushed her underpants to the side and is touching the girl's vagina. Another one shows the girl climbing a tree with B. holding his erect penis in the picture.

In the fall of 2017, the Braunschweig Regional Court sentences Christian B. to one year and three months in prison for "sexual abuse of a child" and possession of 391 child pornography photos and 68 videos. The court expressly does not suspend the sentence on probation. It is to be assumed that the convicted person is a "parole violator", the Chamber finds.
Christian B. has been punished many times in his life. Currently he is in a prison in Kiel because he smuggled kilograms of marijuana to Sylt. In addition, he was sentenced to seven years in December because he allegedly attacked and raped a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal; this sentence is not yet final.

The big question is: Will there be another verdict? This time for life, for murder? The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office is investigating Christian B. in the case of the missing English woman Madeleine McCann. The three-year-old girl disappeared in spring 2007 from a vacation resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal. "We assume", says a spokesman for the authorities, "that the girl is dead."

Praia da Luz, in September 2020. street lamps bathe the white houses and the remains of an ancient wall in a warm light. From the beach, past the church, you walk only a few hundred meters to the Luz Ocean Club, a spacious apartment complex with pretty arches.

The Kiel lawyer Friedrich Fülscher, who defends Christian B., has travelled here. He wants to get a picture of the crime scene and gain his own insights. He stops in front of a window with lowered shutters on the north side of the apartment complex. It belongs to the first floor apartment 5A. The time of day, the silence in the side street - it's like back then.

Between 21.10 and 22 o'clock Madeleine Beth McCann disappeared from this room on 3 May 2007. "If the witness statements are correct, there was a time window of one minute and 30 seconds in which the child could have been abducted at that time," says Fülscher. "The perpetrator had a maximum of three minutes."

Photos by the Portuguese investigators show a plain bedroom with a pine chest of drawers. In the middle of the room are two travel cribs for the twins of the McCann family, two years old at the time. Next to them: Madeleine's bed, the blue and white checked bedspread is neatly folded back.

Since that evening more than 13 years ago, the girl has disappeared. During the night the parents Kate and Gerry McCann informed the British television station BBC and other media. They started a Europe-wide search for their child. Celebrities such as David Beckham made a donation, the then Pope Benedict XVI received the parents in the Vatican and blessed a photo of their missing daughter. Later, the parents themselves became the target of the Portuguese investigators, one of so many twists and turns in this case.

And now, after 13 years, the solution? The murderer is a man from Germany, whom the investigators hadn't seen for a long time, even though he already had a criminal record and lived near the crime scene?

Shortly before Madeleine McCann disappeared, a prepaid cell phone with the Portuguese number 00351 912 730 680 was logged into the radio cell of the crime scene. It was, as was to turn out much later, the cell phone of Christian B. Who was he talking to for 30 minutes? An accomplice? Or someone who could give him an alibi? His lawyer does not want to comment on this. He says: "My client did not commit this crime."

From the window of the bedroom Fülscher goes around the corner to the place where several witnesses stood at that time. In a dead-end street lies the back of the apartment, whose terrace door is said to have been open. A friend of the McCanns testified to having seen a man carrying a child away from the resort. Fülscher says: "This man was later identified and has nothing to do with the disappearance. The case is full of "inconsistencies and contradictions

Würzburg, in the seventies. Christian B. was one year old when he and his brothers came to an adoptive family in Würzburg. He later told a social worker about his broken childhood: beatings and other punishments had been the preferred methods of upbringing, his brothers and he had been abused every day. At the age of 14, he moved into the living group of a children's home. He said he had fared better there.

After secondary school, Christian B. began training as a car mechanic. He broke it off because he wanted to leave Germany at all costs. At 18, he "emigrated" to Portugal, where he worked for a German newspaper, in hotels and car repair shops, said B.

In fact, Christian B. did not emigrate at the time, but fled. He received his first punishment, which was suspended on probation at the age of 16. It involved several thefts and driving without a driver's license.

Then he abused a girl, still a teenager. He followed her into a bush, held her by her upper arm, took his penis out of his pants, lifted the six-year-old's skirt and grabbed her between her legs. The girl cried, B. fled. A little later he committed suicide with a nine-year-old girl.

B. received two years in prison for "sexually abusing a child, attempting to sexually abuse a child and performing sexual acts in front of a child. Shortly afterwards he traveled to Portugal, where investigators tracked him down after about five years. B. was extradited to Germany and went to prison. After his release at the end of 2000 he traveled back to the Algarve.

"He was a Hallodri, a jack-of-all-trades," Anja P. tells us in a Berlin café. After graduating from high school, she went to Portugal and stayed there for several years, "like Christian and so many others". Together with a friend, she met him at the opening ceremony of the Taberna de Lagos restaurant, and Christian B. waited there. "Everyone in the foreign community knew him. He was striking because he always wore these jackets and drove an old Jaguar. For me, he was a very nice and helpful guy at the time, who kept his head above water with odd jobs and never had any money.

Later, she also worked in the Taberna de Lagos and visited him several times in his house in Praia da Luz. "The house was near a golf course. At that time, Christian collected golf balls, which he later wanted to sell, and sold tickets for boat trips at the port of Lagos."

With his Jaguar, when she broke down on a country road, he towed away her old Fiat Punto, which is prohibited in Portugal. "He was not interested in that. He brought my car to his farm via hidden roads." Then he told her that the Fiat was beyond repair. "I ditched it and got myself another car. At some point I saw that he was driving around in the Punto himself, but that didn't bother me."

Does she think it possible that Christian B. is the murderer of Madeleine? "You always knew that Christian also did crooked things, but not that kind of thing," says Anja P. When the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY Ungelöst" reported on the suspicion in June, "it really shocked me.

The friend who was present at the opening ceremony of the restaurants put it similarly. "I would never have thought that, although everyone knew that they were sure to have one on the waffle," says the woman, who still lives in Portugal. "If someone walks around in a jacket, driving a Jaguar and showing off, but then works as a waiter, you know you'd rather stay away from him.

Praia da Luz, in the summer of 2003. Andrea B. and Yvonne B., two young women from Munich, met a nice "bon vivant" during their vacation - this is how they regarded the man who sold oranges and called his dog "Charlie", the "eternally panting Charlie".

Together they went to the casino. Chris, as they called him, loved to gamble and told about his plan to be a millionaire at the age of 40. After the trip home, they stayed in touch. Chris wrote e-mails which he signed with "Wölkchen".( little cloud)

Hello girls,

how time flies! Now it is already September! I booked a flight to good old Munich yesterday. For a measly 215 Euro! All criminals! Stop Stop, I'm flying to Stuttgart.

The first night I will stay in Augsburg. After that I would like to stretch my nose to the south and come to you. There is so much to tell again, two months are not enough,

Yours

WÖLKCHEN

"Wölkchen" was allowed to stay overnight with them in Munich. Yvonne B. will later tell the police that she never noticed anything about this man. Perhaps he had not quite correctly expressed himself from time to time about the bust of a woman, nothing else. She had never noticed Christian B. as particularly aggressive.

A German musician and IT-technician, who got to know him in 2005 after a gig in a music bar in Lagos, learned that B. also has an uncanny side. The SPIEGEL reached Christian P., 53, via Skype in the small town of Kampot in Cambodia.

"I met Christian from time to time, he fixed my car, I helped him with the TV," he says. Sometimes they would drink wine. "He was quite a messie. The house in Praia da Luz was totally untidy and unkempt."

During a visit, he noticed three stacks of foreign travel documents. "There were 30 to 50 passports lying around in plain sight." When asked about this, Christian B. told about thefts in Praia da Luz and the surrounding area. "He told us that he went on tour from time to time, and climbed up facades in the process.

This is consistent with the findings of the investigators. According to this, Christian B. financed his life in Portugal in the mid-2000s not with odd jobs, but with burglaries and thefts. In April 2006, he and an Austrian accomplice were caught red-handed at a gas station when they were siphoning diesel from a truck. A Portuguese court sentenced them to 258 days in prison.

"I visited him in prison at the time," Christian P. recalls. "He complained about the poor prison conditions and the lousy food. Because there was no alcohol in the prison, I was supposed to bring him oranges sprinkled with vodka, but I didn't want that. That made B. angry.

Former house of B. in Praia da Luz

Former house of B. in Praia da Luz Photo: Federal Criminal Police Office / epa-efe / shutterstock
During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry".

After his release, B. lived in an old VW bus. Madeleine McCann disappeared a few months later, which nobody connected with him at the time.

Saxony-Anhalt, 2010. Christian B. had driven around a lot, in a large American motor home of the brand Winnebago. Now he bought himself a permanent accommodation again. In Saxony-Anhalt, in the community of Am Großen Bruch, he purchased the grounds of an old box factory for 20,000 euros.

B. had big plans at that time. He wanted to open a camping site there, he told a friend. In fact, he was dealing drugs, bought kilograms of marijuana from a dealer in Oranienburg and sold it on Sylt. The drug deals were discovered and he was investigated. Christian B. moved to the kiosk in Braunschweig.

In Internet chats dating from this time, he did not write as a "cloud", but rather as "maddeningly catchy". Also about his perversions, for example in the chat with "panikspatz66".

wahnsinnderholger: "finally wants to f..k a little one!

panikspatz66: "who doesn't want that"

wahnsinnderholger: "catch something small and then use it for days, that's it ..."

panicspatz66: "... is not without danger either."

wahnsinnderholger: "oh if the evidence is destroyed afterwards ..."

panic sparrow66: "mm"

madderholger: "if for example the deepthroat took too long ...😉".

In January 2016 the police searched the grounds of the former factory. Neighbors had complained about the smell of decay. It came from a dead dog that B. had buried there. Under the carcass, the officers discovered a cloth case with six USB sticks and memory cards full of pictures and films showing abused children.

By this time, the kiosk in Braunschweig had already been searched, and Christian B. was threatened with a prison sentence for the child pornography seized there. He fled again to the Algarve. In São Bartolomeu de Messines, Portuguese investigators arrested him in 2017. Several children had reported that a man had exposed his limb and made obscene movements. B. was extradited to Germany.

No investigator had ever connected him with Madeleine McCann and her disappearance. The lead came about because the notorious criminal B. had himself been the victim of a crime.

When he was imprisoned in Portugal for the thefts, two thieves had raided his house in Praia da Luz. They were also from Germany and were after B.'s loot. One of them, Helge Lars B., reported more than ten years later, in August 2017, from a Greek prison near Scotland Yard.

A few months later German investigators visited him in Greece. Helge Lars B. told them that he had never been friends with the "head waiter" he had met a few months before his arrest. When Christian B. was in prison, he and an accomplice drove to Praia da Luz. First they tapped 200 to 300 liters of diesel from the tank behind the house, then they searched the house. It was full of stolen goods, cameras, clothing, laptops. In the closet, he found swimming goggles, which strangely enough were painted gray on the inside. He had taken two video cameras and about 20 tapes with him, his accomplice a revolver.

On some of the videos, both thieves later agreed in court in Braunschweig, they saw Christian B. raping a woman between 70 and 80 years old. Another video showed a girl, about 14 years old, tied to a wooden post. The statements of the two men contradicted each other in parts; the films can no longer be found.

The investigators assumed that three rapes had been filmed and made inquiries in Portugal. In one case they made progress: a 72-year-old woman was abused in 2005 in Praia da Luz in her house near the beach. At the scene of the crime, the Portuguese police had seized a hair that can be attributed with a probability of 244 billion to one Christian B.

Helge Lars B. told even more: Later he saw Christian B. again, at the so-called Dragon Festival in Orgiva, Spain. There Christian B. admitted to having had something to do with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The detectives are always following up new leads, checking new cases all the time.
Was it really like that? Is this the solution to the criminal case that has made more headlines worldwide than almost any other? Circumstantial evidence speaks against Christian B., but guilt or innocence will only be decided by a court, if an indictment is ever made.

The detectives are still following new leads and examining new cases. Portuguese authorities have informed their colleagues about a ten-year-old girl from Germany who was abused on a beach near Praia da Luz four weeks before Madeleine disappeared. The now 23-year-old woman testified that she is now 99 percent sure that the girl was B. A woman from Ireland also came forward and accused B. of being the man who raped and assaulted her in the Algarve in 2004.

"My client does not want to comment on the ongoing investigations and denies that the 72-year-old woman was raped in Portugal," says attorney Fülscher.

Portugal, in September 2020, about half an hour drive from Praia da Luz to the man who lent Christian B. the VW bus at the time. With long gray hair and a gray full beard, the screwdriver from Germany is leaning against a car with flat tires, his hands are oily, his pants are torn.

On the remote yard near Messines there are rusty VW Golf and Mercedes, as they were modern in the eighties. "I don't want to say anything to Christian," the mechanic immediately says, "he was just here from time to time. He could not understand all the excitement.

He and his son drove around in the white-yellow VW bus for several years after B. returned it, the man says. About two years ago, officials from the Federal Criminal Police Office came by and picked up the bus. They believe that Madeleine McCann could have been kidnapped with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 13, 2020, 07:12:06 PM
I notice there was no mention of where the mother was during this photographic session.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 14, 2020, 05:51:59 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 13, 2020, 07:12:06 PM
I notice there was no mention of where the mother was during this photographic session.
You lost me there as you didn't give a reference.  What mother?  Whose mother?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 14, 2020, 08:59:24 AM
Theres one they can't nail him for and no dna will match him to Madeleines disappearance either.

RULED OUT Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann case ruled out of involvement in German child’s rape and murder

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13183211/prime-suspect-madeleine-mccann-ruled-out-child-rape-murder/

The DNA of Christian B, 43, was no match for that found at the scene of 11-year-old Claudia Ruf’s 1996 death in his native Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 14, 2020, 09:07:20 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 14, 2020, 05:51:59 AM
You lost me there as you didn't give a reference.  What mother?  Whose mother?

The mother mentioned in the first part of the quoted article. The mother of the small girl whom Brucekner photograped.
No mention that she left the child with Brueckner so I wondered if she was present during this time.


I should have highlighted the section, but didn't want to repeat anthro's lengthy missive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 14, 2020, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 14, 2020, 09:07:20 AM
The mother mentioned in the first part of the quoted article. The mother of the small girl whom Brucekner photograped.
No mention that she left the child with Brueckner so I wondered if she was present during this time.


I should have highlighted the section, but didn't want to repeat anthro's lengthy missive.
No mention that the mother was complicit in his crimes either so one wonders why you would make such an observation if it wasn’t to somehow deflect from the awfulness of what he did (though from your previous comments I know you view such offences as “hardly the crime of the century”)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 14, 2020, 10:19:06 AM
It was an observation on the selective reporting. No more, no less.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 14, 2020, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 14, 2020, 10:19:06 AM
It was an observation on the selective reporting. No more, no less.
What was selective about it?  You're making out that there was more to his offence than meets the eye, based on your interpretation of information that wasn't in the article.  Why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 15, 2020, 08:47:43 AM
Wolters says he has evidence that shows Madeleine is dead.....and is guarded about commentating on the existence of photos..

Is his use of the word ..shows...a coincidence...or something more
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 15, 2020, 08:47:43 AM
Wolters says he has evidence that shows Madeleine is dead.....and is guarded about commentating on the existence of photos..

Is his use of the word ..shows...a coincidence...or something more

A coincidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 16, 2020, 03:17:24 PM
Google Translate.

Suspect in the Maddie case: hearing in the Braunschweig regional court
The main suspect in the missing person case, Maddie McCann, was brought to a hearing in the Braunschweig regional court on Monday.
This is a hearing at the penal enforcement chamber, as a court spokeswoman announced.
According to the court, the hearing is about a possible suspension of a remaining sentence on probation.

Braunschweig. The suspect in the Maddie case was brought from the Kiel prison to the Braunschweig regional court on Monday. A court spokeswoman said it was about a hearing at the penal enforcement chamber. According to her, the date is a non-public meeting and it is still unclear when there will be a result. "Bild" initially reported on the prisoner transport.

The Maddie case continues to cause a stir
According to the court, the hearing is about a possible suspension of a remaining sentence on probation. The current prison sentence in Kiel for drug trafficking ends on January 7th. Should there be a positive decision for the 43-year-old, a release is not expected. In this case, according to the judge's spokeswoman, remand detention in a rape case should apply.

The suspect is said to have raped a 72-year-old woman in 2005
The man is said to have raped a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2005 - around a year and a half before the disappearance of the British Madeleine McCann. The 43-year-old has appealed against the Braunschweig verdict of December 2019 on seven years in prison, a decision by the BGH judges is not yet known.

At the beginning of June, the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) and the Braunschweig public prosecutor announced that they were investigating a suspected murder of a sex offender with multiple criminal records in the case of the missing British woman Madeleine McCann. More than 13 years ago, shortly before her fourth birthday, the girl disappeared in a holiday complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal - the case is still causing a stir worldwide.


https://www.rnd.de/panorama/verdachtiger-im-fall-maddie-anhorung-im-landgericht-braunschweig-BZGFK76C7HJYXUCBJQI6OBWVJI.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 16, 2020, 06:47:49 PM
According to this report today, Brückner is in hospital with broken ribs.
https://www.hln.be/buitenland/duitse-hoofdverdachte-in-zaak-maddie-mccann-op-spoed~a691c89d/?
https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/news/inland/news-inland/christian-b-soll-sich-in-zelle-zwei-rippen-gebrochen-haben-maddie-verdaechtiger-73972114,view=conversionToLogin.bild.html

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 16, 2020, 06:51:46 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 16, 2020, 06:47:49 PM
According to this report today, Brückner is in hospital with broken ribs.
https://www.hln.be/buitenland/duitse-hoofdverdachte-in-zaak-maddie-mccann-op-spoed~a691c89d/?
https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/news/inland/news-inland/christian-b-soll-sich-in-zelle-zwei-rippen-gebrochen-haben-maddie-verdaechtiger-73972114,view=conversionToLogin.bild.html
Perhaps the PJ have been to visit him in jail?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 16, 2020, 07:53:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 16, 2020, 06:51:46 PM
Perhaps the PJ have been to visit him in jail?

Dry eyes all around the house...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 16, 2020, 08:31:27 PM

Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 16, 2020, 06:51:46 PM
Perhaps the PJ have been to visit him in jail?

Perhaps they don't need to.



Hmmm attacked by officials?


German Madeleine McCann suspect 'breaks two ribs in court cell incident' while waiting for parole hearing after serving two thirds of his jail term for drug trafficking

Christian Brueckner, 43, attended a court parole hearing in Germany on Monday
He was injured in a cell, with his lawyer claiming he was attacked by officials
But they said he fell over and he is being treated for two suspected broken ribs
The German paedophile was named the prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8955033/German-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-breaks-two-ribs-court-cell-incident-parole-hearing.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 16, 2020, 08:35:24 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 16, 2020, 08:31:27 PM
Perhaps they don't need to.



Hmmm attacked by officials?


German Madeleine McCann suspect 'breaks two ribs in court cell incident' while waiting for parole hearing after serving two thirds of his jail term for drug trafficking

Christian Brueckner, 43, attended a court parole hearing in Germany on Monday
He was injured in a cell, with his lawyer claiming he was attacked by officials
But they said he fell over and he is being treated for two suspected broken ribs
The German paedophile was named the prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8955033/German-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-breaks-two-ribs-court-cell-incident-parole-hearing.html


Fell over... fell over what ?  a 25ft water fall and landing on rocks?  Those German police -brutes.  ^*&&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 16, 2020, 08:38:14 PM
Is he concurrently serving for the rape or no, according to this it looks like not.



''Technically he can be freed in early January as he has served his time but the prosecution is opposing it because of the outstanding Madeleine McCann investigation.''


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13213200/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-first-public-appearance-parole-germany/.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 16, 2020, 08:39:47 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 16, 2020, 08:35:24 PM

Fell over... fell over what ?  a 25ft water fall and landing on rocks?  Those German police -brutes.  ^*&&

If he was assaulted one wonders if the Germans will be roundly castigated as per the PJ for the alleged assault in the Cipriano case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 16, 2020, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 16, 2020, 08:39:47 PM
If he was assaulted one wonders if the Germans will be roundly castigated as per the PJ for the alleged assault in the Cipriano case.

If he has been assaulted by the German police then of course.
Why do you believe this would be different to any case which involves police brutality, whether here or in Portugal or in Germany or in the USA.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 16, 2020, 08:48:57 PM
The Mirror is also saying he could be released,what's happened to the rape conviction?

He is currently serving 21 months for drug-related offences and is eligible for release on January 6, having served two-thirds of his sentence.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-ribs-broken-23020491
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 16, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 16, 2020, 08:38:14 PM
Is he concurrently serving for the rape or no, according to this it looks like not.



''Technically he can be freed in early January as he has served his time but the prosecution is opposing it because of the outstanding Madeleine McCann investigation.''


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13213200/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-first-public-appearance-parole-germany/.


They can't keep him in prison if he has served his time for a specific crime and claim it is based pending an investigation of another alleged crime, unless they charge him and request no bail?  a human rights lawyer would run rings round the prosecutors. The judge would throw his wig at them...



"If he was assaulted one wonders if the Germans will be roundly castigated as per the PJ for the alleged assault in the Cipriano case."  Hmm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on November 16, 2020, 08:51:29 PM

They can't keep him in prison if he has served his time for a specific crime and claim it is based pending an investigation of another alleged crime, unless they charge him and request no bail?  a human rights lawyer would run rings round the prosecutors. The judge would throw his wig at them...



"If he was assaulted one wonders if the Germans will be roundly castigated as per the PJ for the alleged assault in the Cipriano case."  Hmm
The assault in the cipriano case was proven..no alleged . I dont agree with any torture of suspects in criminal cases
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 09:07:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 16, 2020, 08:39:47 PM
If he was assaulted one wonders if the Germans will be roundly castigated as per the PJ for the alleged assault in the Cipriano case.

Just what I was thinking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 09:10:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 09:07:32 PM
Just what I was thinking.

then you dont understand that the support of the mccanns..certainly in my case...is the support of justice. Torture has no palce in the criminal justice system
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 16, 2020, 10:16:23 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 16, 2020, 08:39:47 PM
If he was assaulted one wonders if the Germans will be roundly castigated as per the PJ for the alleged assault in the Cipriano case.
Yes, roundly by me (though I believe The General will wholeheartedly approve).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 16, 2020, 10:38:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 16, 2020, 10:16:23 PM
Yes, roundly by me (though I believe The General will wholeheartedly approve).

Possibly Angelo too.......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 16, 2020, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: Erngath on November 16, 2020, 10:38:52 PM
Possibly Angelo too.......
Yes, almost certainly him too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 11:24:03 PM
Quote from: Erngath on November 16, 2020, 10:38:52 PM
Possibly Angelo too.......

Insulting members who aren’t online....how very brave of you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 16, 2020, 11:26:55 PM
Gosh someone is really getting offended on behalf of others tonight.  I honestly don’t think Angelo would be insulted, as far as I recall he thoroughly approves of criminals being subjected to rough justice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 16, 2020, 11:27:41 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 11:24:03 PM
Insulting members who aren’t online....how very brave of you.

Lol.
No insult ....a wee look through Angelo's previous posts fully demonstrate his belief in police brutality when necessary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 11:36:20 PM
Quote from: Erngath on November 16, 2020, 11:27:41 PM
Lol.
No insult ....a wee look through Angelo's previous posts fully demonstrate his belief in police brutality when necessary.

We obviously judge what constitutes an insult differently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 16, 2020, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 16, 2020, 08:39:47 PM
If he was assaulted one wonders if the Germans will be roundly castigated as per the PJ for the alleged assault in the Cipriano case.

In prison, Brueckner is in isolation for his own protection from other inmates.  He is a high profile prisoner.  It appears his injury was sustained not on prison premises but in a public court building.
"He was scheduled to appear in court today, but just before the hearing, Christian Brückner was taken to the emergency room. According to Bild, he broke two ribs. Brückner is said to have sustained his injuries in a detention cell at the Braunschweig regional court. It is unclear what exactly happened.https://www.hln.be/buitenland/duitse-hoofdverdachte-in-zaak-maddie-mccann-op-spoed~a691c89d/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fmiscarriageofjustice.co%2F

On a public holiday, Leonor Cipriano was removed from the safety of prison by the Policia Judiciaaria.  Who took her to a police station where on Amaral's watch she was tortured for many long hours.
Only after a confession had been beaten out of her was she returned to prison severely injured and without benefit of medical attention.

There is absolutely no comparison between the torture of Leonor Cipriano and whatever happened to Brueckner in the light of day in a public building and I have no idea why you think it appropriate to suggest one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 16, 2020, 11:44:31 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 11:36:20 PM
We obviously judge what constitutes an insult differently.

Indeed that is true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 11:51:00 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 16, 2020, 11:39:28 PM
In prison, Brueckner is in isolation for his own protection from other inmates.  He is a high profile prisoner.  It appears his injury was sustained not on prison premises but in a public court building.
"He was scheduled to appear in court today, but just before the hearing, Christian Brückner was taken to the emergency room. According to Bild, he broke two ribs. Brückner is said to have sustained his injuries in a detention cell at the Braunschweig regional court. It is unclear what exactly happened.https://www.hln.be/buitenland/duitse-hoofdverdachte-in-zaak-maddie-mccann-op-spoed~a691c89d/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fmiscarriageofjustice.co%2F

On a public holiday, Leonor Cipriano was removed from the safety of prison by the Policia Judiciaaria.  Who took her to a police station where on Amaral's watch she was tortured for many long hours.
Only after a confession had been beaten out of her was she returned to prison severely injured and without benefit of medical attention.

There is absolutely no comparison between the torture of Leonor Cipriano and whatever happened to Brueckner in the light of day in a public building and I have no idea why you think it appropriate to suggest one.

Unfortunately we will never know exactly what happened to Cipriano as she changed her story so many times. Indeed I believe another 6 months was added to her sentence for perjury.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 12:00:33 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 11:51:00 PM
Unfortunately we will never know exactly what happened to Cipriano as she changed her story so many times. Indeed I believe another 6 months was added to her sentence for perjury.

After The Portuguese Court had ruled that Leonor was beaten While in Police Custody.  There is no doubt about that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 17, 2020, 12:51:07 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 12:00:33 AM
After The Portuguese Court had ruled that Leonor was beaten While in Police Custody.  There is no doubt about that.

Isn't what passes for Portuguese justice a bit of a hoot though.  With no apparent rhyme or reason to it.  There appears to be an innate inability to prosecute vicious rape cases or recognise that burglars and paedophiles represent a bit of a problem for law and order.

Amaral's conviction for perjury merited a suspended prison sentence.  But in Leonor's case in which it was ruled that she had been a victim of police brutality and had indeed been tortured by them, she was penalised because she was unable to identify her assailants.
They had put a bag over her head and as a result she was unable to see who was beating her to the point of blindness.
Quite bizarre and quite indefensible.

So we do know that she was tortured while in police custody and we do know that Amaral lied to cover it up. 

There really is no comparison to be made between a terrified blindfolded woman being beaten to a pulp isolated in a police office and a man who comes by an injury in the full light of day in a public area.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 11:58:22 AM

Would The German Police be daft enough to do this?  And what would have been the purpose?  They were hardly likely to get a confession in a Public Building.

Mayhap Brueckner actually did throw himself down the stairs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 12:23:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 11:58:22 AM
Would The German Police be daft enough to do this?  And what would have been the purpose?  They were hardly likely to get a confession in a Public Building.

Mayhap Brueckner actually did throw himself down the stairs.

There was talk of him being threatened. Like women who murder their own children ordinary criminals have no tolerance for paedophiles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 17, 2020, 12:25:59 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 11:58:22 AM
Would The German Police be daft enough to do this?  And what would have been the purpose?  They were hardly likely to get a confession in a Public Building.

Mayhap Brueckner actually did throw himself down the stairs.

Apparently he was taken to hospital cuffed and in leg irons.  Don't know if the leg irons are normal procedure in Germany for prisoners being escorted to hospital.

We will soon know if anything untoward has happened to Brueckner in the holding cell because I'm certain his lawyer will make sure we do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 17, 2020, 12:25:59 PM
Apparently he was taken to hospital cuffed and in leg irons.  Don't know if the leg irons are normal procedure in Germany for prisoners being escorted to hospital.

We will soon know if anything untoward has happened to Brueckner in the holding cell because I'm certain his lawyer will make sure we do.

Anything to make Brueckner look like a Victim you mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 17, 2020, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 12:30:25 PM
Anything to make Brueckner look like a Victim you mean?

He'll have his work cut out to manage that, I think 🤣 although I have to admit to being intrigued by the whole incident.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 17, 2020, 12:37:12 PM
There are investigations after a dispute in the Braunschweig Regional Court on Monday (November 16, 2020). The spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office, Hans Christian Wolters, said on Tuesday (November 17, 2020). The 43-year-old's lawyer filed criminal charges against judicial officers for bodily harm. The process is currently with the police, said Wolters.
https://www.fnp.de/deutschland/maddie-christian-b-hauptverdaechtiger-gericht-zwischenfall-klinik-strafanzeige-90102432.html#:~:text=Nach%20dem%20Vorfall%20wurde%20Christian,m%C3%B6glichen%20Verletzungen%20seines%20Mandanten%20%C3%A4u%C3%9Fern.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 17, 2020, 12:37:12 PM
There are investigations after a dispute in the Braunschweig Regional Court on Monday (November 16, 2020). The spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office, Hans Christian Wolters, said on Tuesday (November 17, 2020). The 43-year-old's lawyer filed criminal charges against judicial officers for bodily harm. The process is currently with the police, said Wolters.
https://www.fnp.de/deutschland/maddie-christian-b-hauptverdaechtiger-gericht-zwischenfall-klinik-strafanzeige-90102432.html#:~:text=Nach%20dem%20Vorfall%20wurde%20Christian,m%C3%B6glichen%20Verletzungen%20seines%20Mandanten%20%C3%A4u%C3%9Fern.

Oh My. Has Brueckner's Lawyer been talking to Amaral?

A bit convoluted I know, but any old port in a storm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 17, 2020, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 12:42:13 PM
Oh My. Has Brueckner's Lawyer been talking to Amaral?

A bit convoluted I know, but any old port in a storm.

That's too convoluted for me, I've no idea what you mean.

As I understand it CB was there in connection with his drug offence. His lawyer has made a complaint to the police against 'judicial officers' after his client was harmed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 17, 2020, 01:08:33 PM
That's too convoluted for me, I've no idea what you mean.

As I understand it CB was there in connection with his drug offence. His lawyer has made a complaint to the police against 'judicial officers' after his client was harmed.

It's actually not that convoluted.  Amaral and his henchmen nearly got away with it.  In fact, some of them did. 

The only serious mistake that was made by Amaral was to put his Perjury in writing, as did the only other of his cohorts who was also convicted.

So a word to the wiser.  Stick to verbal statements and you will probably get away with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 01:38:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 17, 2020, 01:08:33 PM
That's too convoluted for me, I've no idea what you mean.

As I understand it CB was there in connection with his drug offence. His lawyer has made a complaint to the police against 'judicial officers' after his client was harmed.

you need an ..allegedly ...before harmed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 17, 2020, 01:38:52 PM
you need an ..allegedly ...before harmed

Do you doubt that he was harmed ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
Do you doubt that he was harmed ?

Have you already decided the officers are guilty ?

I simply dont have enough facts to reach any decision...and neither do you.

what i do know is at the moment it is an alleged injury
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
Do you doubt that he was harmed ?

Do you think he was might be more to the point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 01:58:54 PM
Its amazing how sceptics have already found the officers guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 17, 2020, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 01:36:20 PM
It's actually not that convoluted.  Amaral and his henchmen nearly got away with it.  In fact, some of them did. 

The only serious mistake that was made by Amaral was to put his Perjury in writing, as did the only other of his cohorts who was also convicted.

So a word to the wiser.  Stick to verbal statements and you will probably get away with it.

Whatever happened in Portugal has nothing to do with what happened in Germany imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 02:09:54 PM

I am dying to fall about laughing, but I daren't.  This is serious stuff.  Just all a bit too fortuitous for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 17, 2020, 02:06:58 PM
Whatever happened in Portugal has nothing to do with what happened in Germany imo.

Really?  How did you work that one out?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 17, 2020, 02:54:42 PM
The Spiegel in Germany reports that a scuffle between CB and two members of staff occurred while they were trying to put ankle cuffs on him. He refused and fell.
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-wegen-rippenbruechen-behandelt-a-cba9cc6b-8d54-4aee-a80d-6b0961f82fd1
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 17, 2020, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 17, 2020, 02:54:42 PM
The Spiegel in Germany reports that a scuffle between CB and two members of staff occurred while they were trying to put ankle cuffs on him. He refused and fell.
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-wegen-rippenbruechen-behandelt-a-cba9cc6b-8d54-4aee-a80d-6b0961f82fd1


That has the ring of truth to it, Anthro.
There was nothing in it for anybody ~ he was going into his appeal and the officers would have been mad to deliberately assault him in such a public arena.
I think he preferred not to go into court with chains round his ankles which is perfectly understandable and received his injury in the ensuing scuffle when he resisted them being put on.  Shouldn't have happened but there will be an investigation into the incident.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 17, 2020, 03:18:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 17, 2020, 02:54:42 PM
The Spiegel in Germany reports that a scuffle between CB and two members of staff occurred while they were trying to put ankle cuffs on him. He refused and fell.
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-wegen-rippenbruechen-behandelt-a-cba9cc6b-8d54-4aee-a80d-6b0961f82fd1
It will be interesting to see the sceptic response to this report.  Of course, we all know they fully accept the PJ's word about Cipriano falling down the stairs so....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 04:43:00 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 17, 2020, 03:14:54 PM


That has the ring of truth to it, Anthro.
There was nothing in it for anybody ~ he was going into his appeal and the officers would have been mad to deliberately assault him in such a public arena.
I think he preferred not to go into court with chains round his ankles which is perfectly understandable and received his injury in the ensuing scuffle when he resisted them being put on.  Shouldn't have happened but there will be an investigation into the incident.

On this one I think you may be right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 04:47:03 PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8956877/Pictured-Madeleine-suspect-loaded-ambulance-assaulted-prison.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on November 17, 2020, 05:14:06 PM
Seems Brueckner's life is often explosive and ignited by a very short fuse - battering his one-time girlfriend, violently assaulting an elderly American, splitting the nose of a former friend and employer, Oliver Stenard...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 17, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
Source: websleuths, recognition: SD

‘According to the prisoner Christian B. himself, the events took place quite differently. It is true that he smeared the cell with yoghurt and sunk the roll of toilet paper in the toilet. However, that was merely a reaction to the inappropriate behaviour of the judicial guards. So they would have provoked him on his arrival with sentences like: "Beautiful that you are back!" or "For you today we have a very special room, the suite number 2!" When he then asked if he was allowed to smoke, they had yourselves: "We determine here who smokes and who does not."

After his yoghurt protest, officials eventually came into his cell and put a belly belt on him and locked the handcuffs inside. Then they would have asked him to get down on his knees in front of them to put on the shackles. When he refused, they had "taken him off his feet." During this treatment, he had crashed his side onto the wooden couch and suffered the two broken ribs, which were confirmed by a doctor in the hospital. "The possibilities of a prisoner to injure himself in the presence of officials are limited," says Christian B.'s second criminal defense attorney Johann Schwenn. He added: "Unfortunately, an assault by the officers in the manner described by the client would not be an isolated case. The presumption of innocence sometimes struggles with the police and the judiciary – especially when it comes to an alleged sex murderer. That's where the inhibitions fall."

Exactly what happened must be determined by the Braunschweig Police Inspectorate. Christian B.'s hearing took place yesterday with a two-hour delay. He cannot expect an early dismissal. He is now back in Schleswig-Holstein. Since he had contact with several people, he is now in quarantine in the JVA Lübeck – in a high-security cell."
https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2020-11/fall-maddie-mccann-rippenbrueche-tatverdaechtiger-polizei-ermittlungen?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.de%2F
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:29:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 17, 2020, 01:38:52 PM
you need an ..allegedly ...before harmed
Hs client has broken ribs, he was harmed. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 05:41:15 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:29:15 PM
Hs client has broken ribs, he was harmed.

Harmed implies intent...he was injured
Gunits post should be prefaced by allegedly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 17, 2020, 05:41:15 PM
Harmed implies intent...he was injured
Gunits post should be prefaced by allegedly.

harm
/hɑːm/
Learn to pronounce
verb
past tense: harmed; past participle: harmed
physically injure.
"the villains didn't harm him"
Similar:
injure
hurt
wound
maltreat
mistreat
misuse
ill-treat
ill-use
abuse
molest
inflict pain on
inflict suffering on
handle/treat roughly
do violence to
lay a finger on
damage
spoil
mar
destroy
do mischief to
impair
deface
defile
blemish
tarnish
taint
Opposite:
benefit
improve
damage the health of.
"smoking when pregnant can harm your baby"
have an adverse effect on.
"this could harm his World Cup prospects"
Similar:
injure
hurt
wound
maltreat
mistreat
misuse
ill-treat

I didn't see anything about intent there. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 05:50:05 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
harm
/hɑːm/
Learn to pronounce
verb
past tense: harmed; past participle: harmed
physically injure.
"the villains didn't harm him"
Similar:
injure
hurt
wound
maltreat
mistreat
misuse
ill-treat
ill-use
abuse
molest
inflict pain on
inflict suffering on
handle/treat roughly
do violence to
lay a finger on
damage
spoil
mar
destroy
do mischief to
impair
deface
defile
blemish
tarnish
taint
Opposite:
benefit
improve
damage the health of.
"smoking when pregnant can harm your baby"
have an adverse effect on.
"this could harm his World Cup prospects"
Similar:
injure
hurt
wound
maltreat
mistreat
misuse
ill-treat

I didn't see anything about intent there.

I do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 17, 2020, 05:41:15 PM
Harmed implies intent...he was injured
Gunits post should be prefaced by allegedly.
We only have CB's word that allegedly has broken ribs.   Do you accept he has broken ribs, or do we need x-ray proof of the alleged injuries?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 17, 2020, 05:55:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 17, 2020, 12:37:12 PM
There are investigations after a dispute in the Braunschweig Regional Court on Monday (November 16, 2020). The spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office, Hans Christian Wolters, said on Tuesday (November 17, 2020). The 43-year-old's lawyer filed criminal charges against judicial officers for bodily harm. The process is currently with the police, said Wolters.
https://www.fnp.de/deutschland/maddie-christian-b-hauptverdaechtiger-gericht-zwischenfall-klinik-strafanzeige-90102432.html#:~:text=Nach%20dem%20Vorfall%20wurde%20Christian,m%C3%B6glichen%20Verletzungen%20seines%20Mandanten%20%C3%A4u%C3%9Fern.

Wonder if Germans use the equivalent of G4 to move prisoners around.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 17, 2020, 05:57:15 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 17, 2020, 02:54:42 PM
The Spiegel in Germany reports that a scuffle between CB and two members of staff occurred while they were trying to put ankle cuffs on him. He refused and fell.
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-wegen-rippenbruechen-behandelt-a-cba9cc6b-8d54-4aee-a80d-6b0961f82fd1

If they have a duty of care whilst in custody for his wellbeing they failed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 05:57:41 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
harm
/hɑːm/
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past tense: harmed; past participle: harmed
physically injure.
"the villains didn't harm him"
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improve
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"smoking when pregnant can harm your baby"
have an adverse effect on.
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I didn't see anything about intent there.
I don't need to look at a dictionary...it's an English word and it implies intent.
Injured would be a more neutral word which would not apportion blame
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 06:00:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 17, 2020, 05:55:04 PM
Wonder if Germans use the equivalent of G4 to move prisoners around.
G4   "G4 means Logistics Staff at Corps & Division" Read more at http://acronymsandslang.com/definition/563171/G4-meaning.html"

Was that what you mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on November 17, 2020, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 17, 2020, 05:57:15 PM
If they have a duty of care whilst in custody for his wellbeing they failed.
What are they supposed to do if someone resists a scheduled appearance in court?!   Give him slap on the wrist, a sweetie and tell him not to do it again?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 06:06:06 PM
Quote from: Myster on November 17, 2020, 06:03:13 PM
What are they supposed to do if someone resists a scheduled appearance in court?!   Give him slap on the wrist, a sweetie and tell him not to do it again?

Or worse.  He could have been trying to escape.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on November 17, 2020, 06:10:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 06:06:06 PM
Or worse.  He could have been trying to escape.
That's why he needed to the be handcuffed and shackled, otherwise he'd have been off on jolly holiday to Italy again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 17, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:29:15 PM
Hs client has broken ribs, he was harmed.


From what I can gather from those that have suffered broken ribs, convalescence would be the order of the day rather than being hauled into court a couple of hours later.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on November 17, 2020, 06:12:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 17, 2020, 06:10:35 PM

From what I can gather from those that have suffered broken ribs, convalescence would be the order of the day rather than being hauled into court a couple of hours later.
OMG!  As if he isn't on holiday already!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 06:13:23 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:54:27 PM
We only have CB's word that allegedly has broken ribs.   Do you accept he has broken ribs, or do we need x-ray proof of the alleged injuries?

No I dont accept he has brokern ribs..he may or may not. we need something more than  a newspaper to be sure..

was that the diagnosis or the provisional diagnosis
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 17, 2020, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 06:00:07 PM
G4   "G4 means Logistics Staff at Corps & Division" Read more at http://acronymsandslang.com/definition/563171/G4-meaning.html"

Was that what you mean?


Sorry got a letter missing G4S.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 06:14:37 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:29:15 PM
Hs client has broken ribs, he was harmed.

harm implies intent..

harm
/hɑːm/
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physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 17, 2020, 06:15:32 PM
Quote from: Myster on November 17, 2020, 06:12:49 PM
OMG!  As if he isn't on holiday already!


I'd venture its not a destination you'd aspire to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 06:20:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 17, 2020, 06:10:35 PM

From what I can gather from those that have suffered broken ribs, convalescence would be the order of the day rather than being hauled into court a couple of hours later.

perhaps his ribs were not broken in that case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 17, 2020, 06:15:32 PM

I'd venture its not a destination you'd aspire to.

Not surprised a few here are paid up members of the ‘lock em up and throw away the key ‘ brigade.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on November 17, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 06:21:57 PM
Not surprised a few here are paid up members of the ‘lock em up and throw away the key ‘ brigade.
Some bottom-feeding pondlife deserve it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 06:49:05 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 06:21:57 PM
Not surprised a few here are paid up members of the ‘lock em up and throw away the key ‘ brigade.

Better than The Death Penalty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 17, 2020, 06:51:02 PM
Quote from: Myster on November 17, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
Some bottom-feeding pondlife deserve it.

For not being involved in Madeleine's disappearance,bit harsh.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 06:52:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 17, 2020, 06:14:08 PM

Sorry got a letter missing G4S.
What is G4S?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 06:54:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 06:49:05 PM
Better than The Death Penalty.
Death is being too kind!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 17, 2020, 06:55:18 PM
I am sure it has been discussed here. Mr Wolters, in all his interviews has never used the word  ‘abduction’, only ‘murder’, ‘within a short time’, and ‘we know how death occurred’. It has been suggested that his timeline is beyond 22h00 and that he is not that interested/knowledgable of how Madeleine had left the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 17, 2020, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 17, 2020, 05:57:15 PM
If they have a duty of care whilst in custody for his wellbeing they failed.
Much as the Pj did with Cipriano.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 17, 2020, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 17, 2020, 06:55:18 PM
I am sure it has been discussed here. Mr Wolters, in all his interviews has never used the word  ‘abduction’, only ‘murder’, ‘within a short time’, and ‘we know how death occurred’. It has been suggested that his timeline is beyond 22h00 and that he is not that interested/knowledgable of how Madeleine had left the apartment.
My opinion. This may suggest that some unidentified person removed Madeleine from her bed and delivered her to Brückner. For reasons I don’t know. It may be trafficking, stolen to order etc. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 07:26:28 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 06:54:26 PM
Death is being too kind!

There is that about it of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 06:49:05 PM
Better than The Death Penalty.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 07:33:11 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
harm

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handle/treat roughly
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lay a finger on
damage
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mar
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do mischief to
impair
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All those are from your list and all invove intent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 07:26:28 PM
There is that about it of course.

For me it make no sense, morally, to kill someone for killing. Of course there’s also the chance of a miscarriage of justice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 07:36:59 PM
For me it make no sense, morally, to kill someone for killing. Of course there’s also the chance of a miscarriage of justice.

I fought quite hard against it when I was young, although I don't suppose that my opinion made much difference.

And I always want to throw up when someone gets a pardon.  Too bloody late Mate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 08:38:07 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 07:45:30 PM
I fought quite hard against it when I was young, although I don't suppose that my opinion made much difference.

And I always want to throw up when someone gets a pardon.  Too bloody late Mate.

Your voice always makes a difference. It was voices like yours that lead to the death penalty being abolished.

As to posthumous pardons I ascribe to Blackstone’s formulation that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 09:42:38 PM

Germany abolished The Death Penalty in 1949;  Now there's a surprise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 17, 2020, 10:53:18 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 09:42:38 PM
Germany abolished The Death Penalty in 1949;  Now there's a surprise.
Not East Germany, they waited until the late 80s but that’s communism for you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 11:04:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 09:42:38 PM
Germany abolished The Death Penalty in 1949;  Now there's a surprise.

Unfortunately many of America’s states still use it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 01:51:00 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 17, 2020, 11:04:29 PM
Unfortunately many of America’s states still use it.

I know.  This is entirely beyond me for what is purportedly a civilised country.  I sometimes express my disgust in newspaper articles but my comments are not popular and sometimes even Brits join in.  These people never seem to get the point that it is Judicial Murder, so Murder for the sake of Murder.  The crime itself is not the point.  And it doesn't work anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2020, 06:26:42 AM
Quote from: Anthro on November 17, 2020, 06:55:18 PM
I am sure it has been discussed here. Mr Wolters, in all his interviews has never used the word  ‘abduction’, only ‘murder’, ‘within a short time’, and ‘we know how death occurred’. It has been suggested that his timeline is beyond 22h00 and that he is not that interested/knowledgable of how Madeleine had left the apartment.
I've mentioned it before, imo it's a big sticking point,how she left the apartment and the coming together of Madeleine and CB, if it did at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 10:12:14 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 18, 2020, 06:26:42 AM
I've mentioned it before, imo it's a big sticking point,how she left the apartment and the coming together of Madeleine and CB, if it did at all.

Didn't anyone tell you that Brueckner allegedly made his living from burglary ~ where I come from burglars are accomplished in illegally entering premises to carry out their nefarious activities without being seen or leaving traces behind them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 10:25:11 AM
Quote from: Anthro on November 17, 2020, 06:55:18 PM
I am sure it has been discussed here. Mr Wolters, in all his interviews has never used the word  ‘abduction’, only ‘murder’, ‘within a short time’, and ‘we know how death occurred’. It has been suggested that his timeline is beyond 22h00 and that he is not that interested/knowledgable of how Madeleine had left the apartment.

I think the manner in which Madeleine exited the apartment is an irrelevance for him.  Whatever the evidence being followed is, it links Brueckner to her outside the apartment and allows him to be the prime suspect.

I think you are correct that Wolters has mentioned only 'murder'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 18, 2020, 10:35:31 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/guards-broke-madeleine-mccann-suspects-23028214
The latest on Brückner’s broken ribs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: Anthro on November 18, 2020, 10:35:31 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/guards-broke-madeleine-mccann-suspects-23028214
The latest on Brückner’s broken ribs.

Interesting

Snip
Mr Fulscher told the Sun: "The guards were filming my client via a TV monitor which was in his cell. I asked them to stop and to delete the footage.

"They refused and an argument started. This carried on and they attacked my client with a baton after he refused to put the prison shackles on. He suffered serious injuries, two broken ribs.

"Yes, he did dirty his cell but he was understandably angry at being filmed."

Mr Fulscher said he involved a judge to make sure the video was deleted. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/guards-broke-madeleine-mccann-suspects-23028214

So according to Brueckner's lawyer there should be video evidence of the incident.  I wouldn't have thought he would have wanted that deleted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 18, 2020, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 10:44:52 AM
Interesting

Snip
Mr Fulscher told the Sun: "The guards were filming my client via a TV monitor which was in his cell. I asked them to stop and to delete the footage.

"They refused and an argument started. This carried on and they attacked my client with a baton after he refused to put the prison shackles on. He suffered serious injuries, two broken ribs.

"Yes, he did dirty his cell but he was understandably angry at being filmed."

Mr Fulscher said he involved a judge to make sure the video was deleted. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/guards-broke-madeleine-mccann-suspects-23028214

So according to Brueckner's lawyer there should be video evidence of the incident.  I wouldn't have thought he would have wanted that deleted.
How odd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 18, 2020, 01:00:32 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 10:44:52 AM
Interesting

Snip
Mr Fulscher told the Sun: "The guards were filming my client via a TV monitor which was in his cell. I asked them to stop and to delete the footage.

"They refused and an argument started. This carried on and they attacked my client with a baton after he refused to put the prison shackles on. He suffered serious injuries, two broken ribs.

"Yes, he did dirty his cell but he was understandably angry at being filmed."

Mr Fulscher said he involved a judge to make sure the video was deleted. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/guards-broke-madeleine-mccann-suspects-23028214

So according to Brueckner's lawyer there should be video evidence of the incident.  I wouldn't have thought he would have wanted that deleted.

Angry at being filmed...the man who filmed a violent rape..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 01:16:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 18, 2020, 01:00:32 PM
Angry at being filmed...the man who filmed a violent rape..
He certainly seems to have volatile tendencies particularly if he's not getting his own way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 18, 2020, 01:00:32 PM
Angry at being filmed...the man who filmed a violent rape..

Yet no one but a couple of convicted criminals ever saw it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 18, 2020, 03:29:34 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 03:22:52 PM
Yet no one but a couple of convicted criminals ever saw it.

Their description tallied with the account given by the victim and the photographs of her injuries.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 18, 2020, 03:31:04 PM
https://www.rnd.de/panorama/hausdurchsuchung-mit-polizei-grossaufgebot-in-hannover-kein-hinweis-auf-straftat-VXRDZXHJ35DPXJT6XZBLGIRZQY.html

Another search in Hanover, Germany. It has been suggested it may have reference to Madeleine’s case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 18, 2020, 03:29:34 PM
Their description tallied with the account given by the victim and the photographs of her injuries.

Have you never heard of the police ‘feeding’ a witness ?

I’d watch Trial 4 on Netflix to see how it’s done
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 18, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
Why are some people so determined to believe Bruckener couldn’t possibly be a rapist?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 18, 2020, 05:22:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 18, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
Why are some people so determined to believe Bruckener couldn’t possibly be a rapist?

It does reflect rather badly on them
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 18, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
Why are some people so determined to believe Bruckener couldn’t possibly be a rapist?

Because it might suggest that The McCanns didn't dunnit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 18, 2020, 05:22:20 PM
It does reflect rather badly on them

Brueckner may well be a rapist and the weight of evidence would prove that but so far, and after starting a thread specifically to look at the evidence, we have nothing but a video that no one but a couple of convicted criminals saw and a hair, allegedly, from Brueckner, with or without a root.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 18, 2020, 05:40:12 PM
And that’s more actual evidence than in the Cipriano case which sceptics never question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 05:40:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 05:34:49 PM
Because it might suggest that The McCanns didn't dunnit.

Not sure how that works. He is a convicted paedophile, a conviction based on solid evidence. Surely that would be a more pertinent conviction when it comes to Madeleine’s disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2020, 05:54:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 18, 2020, 03:31:04 PM
https://www.rnd.de/panorama/hausdurchsuchung-mit-polizei-grossaufgebot-in-hannover-kein-hinweis-auf-straftat-VXRDZXHJ35DPXJT6XZBLGIRZQY.html

Another search in Hanover, Germany. It has been suggested it may have reference to Madeleine’s case.

The mail as it as a failure.


A spokesman for the prosecutor's office said there had been doubts about the tip-off from the beginning, but said it could not be ignored.

Their assessment was downbeat enough that the spokesman even suggested that the tipster could be investigated for making a false complaint.   



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8962299/Madeleine-McCann-police-search-new-property-Hanover-sniffer-dogs.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 05:58:36 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 18, 2020, 05:54:16 PM
The mail as it as a failure.


A spokesman for the prosecutor's office said there had been doubts about the tip-off from the beginning, but said it could not be ignored.

Their assessment was downbeat enough that the spokesman even suggested that the tipster could be investigated for making a false complaint.   



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8962299/Madeleine-McCann-police-search-new-property-Hanover-sniffer-dogs.html

During the eight-hour, lengthy searches with a "whole series of people", the investigators found nothing. However, data carriers are still being evaluated.  https://www.rnd.de/panorama/hausdurchsuchung-mit-polizei-grossaufgebot-in-hannover-kein-hinweis-auf-straftat-VXRDZXHJ35DPXJT6XZBLGIRZQY.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 06:11:03 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 05:58:36 PM
During the eight-hour, lengthy searches with a "whole series of people", the investigators found nothing. However, data carriers are still being evaluated.  https://www.rnd.de/panorama/hausdurchsuchung-mit-polizei-grossaufgebot-in-hannover-kein-hinweis-auf-straftat-VXRDZXHJ35DPXJT6XZBLGIRZQY.html

Where there’s life there’s hope.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 18, 2020, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 05:40:49 PM
Not sure how that works. He is a convicted paedophile, a conviction based on solid evidence. Surely that would be a more pertinent conviction when it comes to Madeleine’s disappearance?
Why start a thread about his rape conviction if it’s not relevant?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2020, 06:37:18 PM
The sun is saying its nowt to do with Madeleine.


However, cops have since told The Sun that the operation was unconnected to the missing Brit girl or prime suspect Christian B.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13232508/cops-search-property-germany/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 06:41:11 PM

Now here's a thought.  Supposing Brueckner took off back to Germany with Madeleine's body.  The body could be anywhere along the way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2020, 06:54:22 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 06:41:11 PM
Now here's a thought.  Supposing Brueckner took off back to Germany with Madeleine's body.  The body could be anywhere along the way.


Here's another one,what if had nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 18, 2020, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 06:41:11 PM
Now here's a thought.  Supposing Brueckner took off back to Germany with Madeleine's body.  The body could be anywhere along the way.

I think thats exactly what happened
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 18, 2020, 06:59:30 PM
I think thats exactly what happened

Not much chance of ever finding it then, if this was the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 18, 2020, 07:08:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
Not much chance of ever finding it then, if this was the case.
If anyone can solve it...the germans will
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2020, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 18, 2020, 07:08:17 PM
If anyone can solve it...the germans will

How?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2020, 07:17:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
Not much chance of ever finding it then, if this was the case.
Save a confession which will never happen imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 18, 2020, 07:24:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 18, 2020, 07:16:41 PM
How?

video/photographic evidence of death
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2020, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 18, 2020, 07:24:08 PM
video/photographic evidence of death

Prove who took it, if such a thing exist's, clearly they don't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 18, 2020, 07:29:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 18, 2020, 07:25:52 PM
Prove who took it, if such a thing exist's, clearly they don't.

Its existence would prove stranger abduction and murder...but not the perp. Thats what the Germans are working on...imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 18, 2020, 07:16:41 PM
How?

They quite obviously have the will and the determination to follow the evidence as it develops ... for quite some time and into the present that evidence has pointed to Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 19, 2020, 01:17:39 AM
Police in Madeleine McCann case receive 'interesting' pictures from British tourists
EXCLUSIVE: Police claim to have possible new leads in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as holiday photos might have 'some interesting things on them'
ByAndy LinesRob Hyde
22:06, 18 NOV 2020UPDATED22:44, 18 NOV 2020

Police probing Madeleine McCann’s abduction have received photos taken by British tourists in Praia da Luz showing “interesting things”.

Chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “We got leads from England, including ones from tourists on holiday in Portugal during this time.

“We got some photos where there might be some interesting things on them.

"There are quite good leads we are following up.”

But he said the information would take time to pursue and when the UK leaves the European Union this could take even longer as “many things can’t just be clarified at short notice”.

Mr Wolters said the formal hurdles in the McCann case post-Brexit will get bigger.

He said: “In the EU everything was unified, and there was a uniform legal assistance between the European countries.”

But when the UK leaves he said Germany would have to “make a formal request, which means that we then write a very formal letter and then query everything individually”.

Mr Wolters said the formal hurdles in the McCann case post-Brexit will get bigger.

He said: “In the EU everything was unified, and there was a uniform legal assistance between the European countries.”

But when the UK leaves he said Germany would have to “make a formal request, which means that we then write a very formal letter and then query everything individually”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-madeleine-mccann-case-receive-23033004
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 19, 2020, 11:24:21 AM
GET OUT OF JAIL FAIL Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B has early prison release bid REJECTED as court rules he must stay behind bars
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13239945/madeleine-mccann-suspect-early-prison-release-bid-rejected/

He will appeal the decision, no doubt, although I think it is hardly worth his while at this remove.  Given his record I think the public of whatever country where he decides to take up residence deserves to be protected from him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 11:36:34 AM

The German Police will be hot on his trail if he ever does get out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2020, 11:43:05 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 19, 2020, 01:17:39 AM
Police in Madeleine McCann case receive 'interesting' pictures from British tourists
EXCLUSIVE: Police claim to have possible new leads in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as holiday photos might have 'some interesting things on them'
ByAndy LinesRob Hyde
22:06, 18 NOV 2020UPDATED22:44, 18 NOV 2020

Police probing Madeleine McCann’s abduction have received photos taken by British tourists in Praia da Luz showing “interesting things”.

Chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “We got leads from England, including ones from tourists on holiday in Portugal during this time.

“We got some photos where there might be some interesting things on them.

"There are quite good leads we are following up.”

But he said the information would take time to pursue and when the UK leaves the European Union this could take even longer as “many things can’t just be clarified at short notice”.

Mr Wolters said the formal hurdles in the McCann case post-Brexit will get bigger.

He said: “In the EU everything was unified, and there was a uniform legal assistance between the European countries.”

But when the UK leaves he said Germany would have to “make a formal request, which means that we then write a very formal letter and then query everything individually”.

Mr Wolters said the formal hurdles in the McCann case post-Brexit will get bigger.

He said: “In the EU everything was unified, and there was a uniform legal assistance between the European countries.”

But when the UK leaves he said Germany would have to “make a formal request, which means that we then write a very formal letter and then query everything individually”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-madeleine-mccann-case-receive-23033004


Why does Wolter feel the need to give a running commentary on the case ? Surely these ‘interesting things’ should be followed up in silence ?

IMO he’s getting his excuses for his lack of progress in early.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 19, 2020, 11:43:05 AM

Why does Wolter feel the need to give a running commentary on the case ? Surely these ‘interesting things’ should be followed up in silence ?

IMO he’s getting his excuses for his lack of progress in early.
He had to say something this side of Christmas to keep Davel happy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 19, 2020, 05:03:44 PM
Brückner’s application for parole has failed once again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 19, 2020, 05:34:09 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 05:03:05 PM
He had to say something this side of Christmas to keep Davel happy.
Still being childish rob
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2020, 05:48:18 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 19, 2020, 05:03:44 PM
Brückner’s application for parole has failed once again.

Good news.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 08:24:20 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 17, 2020, 03:14:54 PM


That has the ring of truth to it, Anthro.
There was nothing in it for anybody ~ he was going into his appeal and the officers would have been mad to deliberately assault him in such a public arena.
I think he preferred not to go into court with chains round his ankles which is perfectly understandable and received his injury in the ensuing scuffle when he resisted them being put on.  Shouldn't have happened but there will be an investigation into the incident.
Interesting angle on 'brutality' when the jack boot is on the other foot.
They've obviously given him a shoeing (probably deservedly so).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 20, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: The General on November 20, 2020, 08:24:20 AM
Interesting angle on 'brutality' when the jack boot is on the other foot.
They've obviously given him a shoeing (probably deservedly so).
Nothing Brietta wrote was contentious, so why the snide comment?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 20, 2020, 11:26:36 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 19, 2020, 01:17:39 AM
Police in Madeleine McCann case receive 'interesting' pictures from British tourists
EXCLUSIVE: Police claim to have possible new leads in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as holiday photos might have 'some interesting things on them'
ByAndy LinesRob Hyde
22:06, 18 NOV 2020UPDATED22:44, 18 NOV 2020

Police probing Madeleine McCann’s abduction have received photos taken by British tourists in Praia da Luz showing “interesting things”.

Chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “We got leads from England, including ones from tourists on holiday in Portugal during this time.

“We got some photos where there might be some interesting things on them.

"There are quite good leads we are following up.”

But he said the information would take time to pursue and when the UK leaves the European Union this could take even longer as “many things can’t just be clarified at short notice”.

Mr Wolters said the formal hurdles in the McCann case post-Brexit will get bigger.

He said: “In the EU everything was unified, and there was a uniform legal assistance between the European countries.”

But when the UK leaves he said Germany would have to “make a formal request, which means that we then write a very formal letter and then query everything individually”.

Mr Wolters said the formal hurdles in the McCann case post-Brexit will get bigger.

He said: “In the EU everything was unified, and there was a uniform legal assistance between the European countries.”

But when the UK leaves he said Germany would have to “make a formal request, which means that we then write a very formal letter and then query everything individually”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-madeleine-mccann-case-receive-23033004

Has someone caught CB on a photo I wonder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 11:38:17 AM
Quote from: Lace on November 20, 2020, 11:26:36 AM
Has someone caught CB on a photo I wonder.
If that were the case he'd have been arrested for the crime by now, given the preponderance of concrete evidence already collated.
But they could check with CEOP / Jim Gamble and cross reference all of the pictures submitted to them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 20, 2020, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: Lace on November 20, 2020, 11:26:36 AM
Has someone caught CB on a photo I wonder.

Is it a crime to be on a tourist's photograph ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 20, 2020, 12:12:04 PM
Is it a crime to be on a tourist's photograph ?
It will be now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 20, 2020, 12:14:07 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 20, 2020, 12:12:04 PM
Is it a crime to be on a tourist's photograph ?

Maybe it would place him near the Tapas bar on the evening Madeleine was taken?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 20, 2020, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: Lace on November 20, 2020, 12:14:07 PM
Maybe it would place him near the Tapas bar on the evening Madeleine was taken?


And what exactly would that prove ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: Lace on November 20, 2020, 12:14:07 PM
Maybe it would place him near the Tapas bar on the evening Madeleine was taken?
You mean in the town where he apparently lived?

As an aside, I was once shown a photograph of The Kop during the last match where standing was permitted, prior to it being replaced with seating. I casually remarked that I was at the match and, low and behold, there I was, among the sea of 20,000 heads........
The point being (it's not really the point, just a semi-interesting anecdote), unless these photos are inculpatory they could actually be construed as exculpatory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 12:21:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 20, 2020, 12:15:03 PM

And what exactly would that prove ?

That it shouldn't be discarded altogether.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 20, 2020, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 20, 2020, 12:15:03 PM

And what exactly would that prove ?
That a known burglar / paedo / rapist was near the apartment on the night a child's father decided to parade her body through town en route to the furthest bin from the scene of the crime?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 20, 2020, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 12:21:16 PM
That it shouldn't be discarded altogether.

I wasn't aware that that was even being considered.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 20, 2020, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 20, 2020, 12:30:10 PM
I wasn't aware that that was even being considered.
you weren't aware that it was being considered that Bruckener was near the Tapas Bar on the night of the disappearance?  Where have you been for the last 6 months?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 20, 2020, 02:03:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 20, 2020, 01:43:57 PM
you weren't aware that it was being considered that Bruckener was near the Tapas Bar on the night of the disappearance?  Where have you been for the last 6 months?

No, I wasn't aware that anyone was suggesting it should be discarded - as Eleanor posted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 02:39:01 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 20, 2020, 02:03:18 PM
No, I wasn't aware that anyone was suggesting it should be discarded - as Eleanor posted.

Some would, given half a chance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 20, 2020, 04:26:51 PM
The mirror is saying an appeal against the rape conviction was dismissed.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-wont-freed-23042200

Madeleine McCann suspect won't be freed until 2026 after rape appeal dismissed
Christian Brueckner, 43, was found guilty of the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz - two years before the Brit toddler vanished while on holiday

So what was the parole hearing all about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 20, 2020, 04:32:57 PM
Sky and the BEEB also.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-has-rape-appeal-thrown-out-12137206

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55015467
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 20, 2020, 04:26:51 PM
The mirror is saying an appeal against the rape conviction was dismissed.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-wont-freed-23042200

Madeleine McCann suspect won't be freed until 2026 after rape appeal dismissed
Christian Brueckner, 43, was found guilty of the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz - two years before the Brit toddler vanished while on holiday

So what was the parole hearing all about?


His previous Drug Conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 20, 2020, 04:35:07 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 04:33:48 PM
His previous Drug Conviction.


Hmmm, did they refuse the parole not knowing how today would go?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 20, 2020, 04:35:07 PM

Hmmm, did they refuse the parole not knowing how today would go?

I've no idea.  How did today go?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 20, 2020, 04:41:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 04:39:05 PM
I've no idea.  How did today go?

Quote from: barrier on November 20, 2020, 04:32:57 PM
Sky and the BEEB also.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-has-rape-appeal-thrown-out-12137206

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55015467

Quote from: barrier on November 20, 2020, 04:26:51 PM
The mirror is saying an appeal against the rape conviction was dismissed.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-wont-freed-23042200

Madeleine McCann suspect won't be freed until 2026 after rape appeal dismissed
Christian Brueckner, 43, was found guilty of the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz - two years before the Brit toddler vanished while on holiday

So what was the parole hearing all about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 20, 2020, 04:41:09 PM


Thank You.

Perhaps Brueckner knew about this before we did.  In which case no wonder he was a trifle annoyed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 20, 2020, 05:42:20 PM
So is that settled then, or are people on here still going to argue that there was no evidence against him with regard to the rape?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 20, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 20, 2020, 05:42:20 PM
So is that settled then, or are people on here still going to argue that there was no evidence against him with regard to the rape?

It is settled.

If memory serves me well it was not an appeal against the rape per se.  It was the technicality regarding the circumstances of his arrest.
He had already lost it in the ECJ.
 European court of justice advises Madeleine McCann suspect was lawfully tried in rape casehttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/06/european-court-advises-madeleine-suspect-was-lawfully-tried-for
And it was expected he would lose it again in Germany, which he did.

I think Eleanor is right ~ I think this might have been the cause of his hissy fit in the court cell.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 20, 2020, 06:11:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 20, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
It is settled.

If memory serves me well it was not an appeal against the rape per se.  It was the technicality regarding the circumstances of his arrest.
He had already lost it in the ECHR and it was expected he would lose it again in Germany, which he did.

I think Eleanor is right ~ I think this might have been the cause of his hissy fit in the court cell.


What did he lose at the ECHR and when ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 20, 2020, 12:15:03 PM

And what exactly would that prove ?
It could muck up CB's alibi if he has been asked for one.  As with other PdL photos, they become notorious to the claim they were taken on a different day. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 20, 2020, 06:11:08 PM

What did he lose at the ECHR and when ?
I thought it took years and years to get a decision from the ECHR.  So I'll ask the same question.
What did he lose at the ECHR and when?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 20, 2020, 06:33:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 20, 2020, 05:42:20 PM
So is that settled then, or are people on here still going to argue that there was no evidence against him with regard to the rape?

What rape?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 06:34:48 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 20, 2020, 06:33:28 PM
What rape?
The one he was convicted of.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 20, 2020, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 20, 2020, 06:33:28 PM
What rape?
You must be gutted your idol remains incarcerated. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 20, 2020, 06:41:50 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 06:29:53 PM
I thought it took years and years to get a decision from the ECHR.  So I'll ask the same question.
What did he lose at the ECHR and when?
Slight slip by Brietta...it was the ECJ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 20, 2020, 06:55:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 20, 2020, 06:41:50 PM
Slight slip by Brietta...it was the ECJ

Thanks, Davel.  I'll fix that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2020, 08:44:20 AM
From another thread.

Quote from: Angelo222 on November 20, 2020, 09:36:46 PM
The difficulty is that us sceptics have seen this all before with several men who for one reason or another became prime suspects. Even Robert Murat and Gerry McCann held this unsavourable accolade at one point.

Is Brueckner yet another patsy?

Quote from: Davel on November 20, 2020, 09:53:26 PM
No


Yes, the German authorities have CB in prison for a long time now, the legend that he was the one that done for Madeleine is writ ,the investigation can now drift along, CB isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

When the legend becomes fact,print the legend.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2020, 08:46:42 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 20, 2020, 09:36:46 PM
The difficulty is that us sceptics have seen this all before with several men who for one reason or another became prime suspects.. Even Robert Murat and Gerry McCann held this unsavourable accolade at one point

Is Brueckner yet another patsy?

Not forgetting the three amigos back in 2014 along with Malinka.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 21, 2020, 09:11:31 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 21, 2020, 08:44:20 AM
From another thread.


Yes, the German authorities have CB in prison for a long time now, the legend that he was the one that done for Madeleine is writ ,the investigation can now drift along, CB isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

When the legend becomes fact,print the legend.

He's the best fit yet, but like a  piece  from another  jigsaw, may need to be hammered into position to fit, even if it distorts the overall picture
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 21, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 21, 2020, 09:11:31 AM
He's the best fit yet, but like a  piece  from another  jigsaw, may need to be hammered into position to fit, even if it distorts the overall picture
When I do a jigsaw I sometimes put pieces in open space, roughly where I think they belong and then go looking for other pieces which fit around it until the whole picture is complete.  No need for a hammer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 21, 2020, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 21, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
When I do a jigsaw I sometimes put pieces in open space, roughly where I think they belong and then go looking for other pieces which fit around it until the whole picture is complete.  No need for a hammer.

That doesn't work if the piece actually belongs in a different puzzle, as Jassi suggested. Neither does it work if the picture on the box doesn't match the real picture inside it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 21, 2020, 10:01:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 21, 2020, 10:00:29 AM
That doesn't work if the piece actually belongs in a different puzzle, as Jassi suggested. Neither does it work if the picture on the box doesn't match the real picture inside it.

According to HCW the evidence suggests it does...perhaps you need to accept the possibility of this evidence existing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 21, 2020, 10:01:44 AM
According to HCW the evidence suggests it does...perhaps you need to accept the possibility of this evidence existing
The case will go nowhere now imo, perfect patsy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 21, 2020, 10:32:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
The case will go nowhere now imo, perfect patsy.

So another one who is not even willing to accept the possibility....I think that's quite blinkered
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 21, 2020, 10:32:07 AM
So another one who is not even willing to accept the possibility....I think that's quite blinkered

I never accepted the three amigos were the ones that dunnit, so the blinkers were never on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 21, 2020, 10:35:17 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:33:54 AM
I never accepted the three amigos were the ones that dunnit, so the blinkers were never on.

I think they are firmly on now
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:39:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 21, 2020, 10:35:17 AM
I think they are firmly on now


Nope I have a good peripheral  perspective.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 21, 2020, 10:48:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 21, 2020, 10:35:17 AM
I think they are firmly on now
Be careful not to abuse other members, please.   Blinkered is not a description of something someone wrote, but a state of mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 21, 2020, 10:51:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:39:12 AM

Nope I have a good peripheral  perspective.

Then Bruckner must at least be considered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 21, 2020, 10:32:07 AM
So another one who is not even willing to accept the possibility....I think that's quite blinkered

Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 21, 2020, 10:48:33 AM
Be careful not to abuse other members, please.   Blinkered is not a description of something someone wrote, but a state of mind.


I expect nothing less of  posters. 8(0(*


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:54:31 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 21, 2020, 10:51:11 AM
Then Bruckner must at least be considered.


Never said he shouldn't be have I?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 21, 2020, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:54:31 AM

Never said he shouldn't be have I?

Has anyone ?
Sceptics cast doubt where others claim certainty. That's what we do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 21, 2020, 11:25:42 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 21, 2020, 11:12:09 AM
Has anyone ?
Sceptics cast doubt where others claim certainty. That's what we do.

Some Sceptics appear to be claiming certainty.  I never have.  I have seen way too much of that over the years.

Our chances of seeing any evidence before a Trial, if there is one, are about zero and as it should be.

But I don't think Brueckner is a very happy bunny at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 21, 2020, 11:33:10 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 21, 2020, 11:25:42 AM
Some Sceptics appear to be claiming certainty.  I never have.  I have seen way too much of that over the years.

Our chances of seeing any evidence before a Trial, if there is one, are about zero and as it should be.

But I don't think Brueckner is a very happy bunny at the moment.

I don't suppose he is. Would you be if you had a couple of broken ribs and were covered in yoghurt ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 21, 2020, 11:57:39 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 21, 2020, 11:33:10 AM
I don't suppose he is. Would you be if you had a couple of broken ribs and were covered in yoghurt ?

Which you appeared to cause yourself. 

I very much doubt that a Prison Officer threw yoghurt at him in an attempt to intimidate him and beat him up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 21, 2020, 11:58:51 AM
This appears where the police first hear Brueckner’s name.

‘ Six years later he ( Helge Busching ) was arrested after trying to smuggle migrants between Greece and Italy.

While under investigation he was put in touch with Operation Grange — the Met Police’s team investigating Madeleine’s disappearance — and gave them Christian B’s name.

Greek media reported this summer that their police said he wanted to speak to British cops. Grange detectives flew to Athens to question Busching in 2017.’

He appears to have got 2 years for people trafficking. Seems a pretty light sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 21, 2020, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 21, 2020, 10:00:29 AM
That doesn't work if the piece actually belongs in a different puzzle, as Jassi suggested. Neither does it work if the picture on the box doesn't match the real picture inside it.
I wouldn't set out to do a jigsaw if I think the pieces may come from another set, or if the picture on the lid bears no resemblance to the pieces inside, however if I did start one in such a state I think using my powers of observation and logic it would soon become apparent that the piece did not belong and I would therefore move onto another puzzle.  I would not be so stupid or so stubborn as to insist that the wrong piece belong to the puzzle just so I could claim I'd finished it because anyone looking at the puzzle would be see it was not right.  Have we exhausted the jigsaw metaphor yet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 21, 2020, 12:04:15 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:54:31 AM

Never said he shouldn't be have I?
At what point should he have been discarded as a suspect in your view?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 21, 2020, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 21, 2020, 11:33:10 AM
I don't suppose he is. Would you be if you had a couple of broken ribs and were covered in yoghurt ?
"covered in yoghurt".   I wonder what flavour it was?  Some people would pay good money for such food play (so I hear - file under "perversions, misc").
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 21, 2020, 12:12:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 21, 2020, 12:06:45 PM
"covered in yoghurt".   I wonder what flavour it was?  Some people would pay good money for such food play (so I hear - file under "perversions, misc").

It was probably Sour Grapes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2020, 12:14:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 21, 2020, 12:04:15 PM
At what point should he have been discarded as a suspect in your view?


When he's been questioned ,SY only relieved the three amigos  of their suspicions once they'd been questioned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 21, 2020, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 21, 2020, 12:14:45 PM

When he's been questioned ,SY only relieved the three amigos  of their suspicions once they'd been questioned.
So it's right that he's still a suspect then.  BTW, are you actually suggesting that the McCanns are no longer suspects?  Heaven Forfend!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 21, 2020, 01:39:41 PM
Where is the logic in this: a suspect should be discarded as a suspect once he's been questioned, never mind that he answers "no comment" to every question, the act of questioning leads to the lifting of suspicion.  (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 21, 2020, 03:56:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 21, 2020, 01:39:41 PM
Where is the logic in this: a suspect should be discarded as a suspect once he's been questioned, never mind that he answers "no comment" to every question, the act of questioning leads to the lifting of suspicion.  (&^&

As I recall Peter Sutcliffe was questioned and no action taken...not sure how long it was before he was questioned again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 22, 2020, 08:53:15 AM
No need for any more action on CB, he's where Wolters wants him, if anything come's in concerning Madeleine then so be it, they'll not be searching, even after serving his sentence if nothing came to light he'd still be the prime suspect, perfect patsy,what more do supporters want. The legend is writ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 22, 2020, 09:04:22 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 22, 2020, 08:53:15 AM
No need for any more action on CB, he's where Wolters wants him, if anything come's in concerning Madeleine then so be it, they'll not be searching, even after serving his sentence if nothing came to light he'd still be the prime suspect, perfect patsy,what more do supporters want. The legend is writ.
You’re sounding quite bitter and petulant imo.  Believe it or not this “supporter” wants the correct culprit brought to justice snd the mystery solved, what do you want?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 22, 2020, 09:12:54 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 22, 2020, 08:53:15 AM
No need for any more action on CB, he's where Wolters wants him, if anything come's in concerning Madeleine then so be it, they'll not be searching, even after serving his sentence if nothing came to light he'd still be the prime suspect, perfect patsy,what more do supporters want. The legend is writ.

It seems to me that sceptics have a closed mind to even the possibility of CBs involvement. We will just have to wait and see what next year brings.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 22, 2020, 09:14:18 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 22, 2020, 09:04:22 AM
You’re sounding quite bitter and petulant imo.  Believe it or not this “supporter” wants the correct culprit brought to justice snd the mystery solved, what do you want?

Far from bitter,(apart from Angostura) I'm happy that you're happy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 22, 2020, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 22, 2020, 09:12:54 AM
It seems to me that sceptics have a closed mind to even the possibility of CBs involvement. We will just have to wait and see what next year brings.


A covid vaccine which I predicted would come first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 09:29:54 AM

I don't know if Brueckner is guilty, but I do know he is a dangerous man.

Why would Sceptics want him loose on the streets any sooner than necessary?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 22, 2020, 09:50:33 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 22, 2020, 09:14:18 AM
Far from bitter,(apart from Angostura) I'm happy that you're happy.
I didn’t say I was happy, so a silly thing to say IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 22, 2020, 09:57:14 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 22, 2020, 09:15:03 AM

A covid vaccine which I predicted would come first.

It's been 13 years...I'm in no rush....I never thought we would ever find out what really happened. It seems to me the Germans have found the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 22, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 22, 2020, 09:57:14 AM
It's been 13 years...I'm in no rush....I never thought we would ever find out what really happened. It seems to me the Germans have found the evidence
Great news, when did this happen?
Gerry and Kate can pick a toothbrush up on the way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 22, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 22, 2020, 09:12:54 AM
It seems to me that sceptics have a closed mind to even the possibility of CBs involvement. We will just have to wait and see what next year brings.
It seems to me your blithe generalisation is wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 22, 2020, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: The General on November 22, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
It seems to me your blithe generalisation is wrong.

Generalisations Generally aren't 100 per can't accurate General
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 22, 2020, 11:05:18 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 22, 2020, 10:56:23 AM
Generalisations Generally aren't 100 per can't accurate General
Another one for the Enigma Machine to unravel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 22, 2020, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: The General on November 22, 2020, 11:05:18 AM
Another one for the Enigma Machine to unravel.

And it got two likes !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 22, 2020, 02:14:48 PM
And it got two likes !

Well, it was funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 22, 2020, 03:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 03:06:14 PM
Well, it was funny.
some people just have no sense of humour. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 22, 2020, 03:34:00 PM
some people just have no sense of humour.

And it was clever, I thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 22, 2020, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 03:45:35 PM
And it was clever, I thought.
it was certainly less "enigmatic" than The General's comment about Kate and Gerry and their toothbrushes which was probably a dig, but I didn't get it - not bright enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 22, 2020, 03:52:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 03:06:14 PM
Well, it was funny.

Funny, it wasn’t even English.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 22, 2020, 03:52:05 PM
Funny, it wasn’t even English.

I "Like" your Posts when I think you've said something funny.  What's wrong with that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 22, 2020, 04:44:28 PM
So we’re back to picking on Davel’s typos for want of anything better to do on a Sunday afternoon. Oh well...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 22, 2020, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 22, 2020, 03:52:05 PM
Funny, it wasn’t even English.

Infatuations...Infatuations....sung to the tune of cliffs song....why are you so infatuated with me...it goes quite well
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 22, 2020, 04:51:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 22, 2020, 04:44:28 PM
So we’re back to picking on Davel’s typos for want of anything better to do on a Sunday afternoon. Oh well...

sceptics want to criticise my spelling...grammar...want to criticise the numbe of posts  I make...think i have no life and spend all my time on here...


the truth is i rattle the posts offf quickly between doing a million other things...no time to correct...

going to watch my son on play  for his team online now...in quite an important match...its being streamed...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 22, 2020, 04:57:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 22, 2020, 04:46:18 PM
Infatuations...Infatuations....sung to the tune of cliffs song....why are you so infatuated with me...it goes quite well

It’s like driving by a car crash....you don’t want to look but can’t help yourself.

Besides now Trump’s gone where else will I get cringeworthy content ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 22, 2020, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 22, 2020, 04:57:59 PM
It’s like driving by a car crash....you don’t want to look but can’t help yourself.

Besides now Trump’s gone where else will I get cringeworthy content ?

I wont deny it...my life has been one long roller coaster ride with plenty of crashes..But thats life...i just get on and enjoy it.

you should know by now your attempt at insults are particularly cringeworthy....but keep em (sic) coming
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 22, 2020, 06:18:09 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 22, 2020, 04:57:59 PM
It’s like driving by a car crash....you don’t want to look but can’t help yourself.

Besides now Trump’s gone where else will I get cringeworthy content ?
Has he gone?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 22, 2020, 06:18:09 PM
Has he gone?

I don't think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 22, 2020, 06:39:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 22, 2020, 05:08:53 PM
I wont deny it...my life has been one long roller coaster ride with plenty of crashes..But thats life...i just get on and enjoy it.

you should know by now your attempt at insults are particularly cringeworthy....but keep em (sic) coming
She wrote this earlier today:

“If only the McCann children had been check properly that night it may have been worth searching the cars leaving PDL”.
Some people who live in glass houses really shouldn’t be throwing stones IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 09:56:50 PM

Incidentally, can we please cut out the criticism of Spelling, Grammar and Punctuation.  It is accomplishing absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 22, 2020, 10:02:06 PM
Speaking for myself I find the whole sceptic/supporter thing tiresome and puerile.  At the moment the police are investigating a seriously deranged man in relation to the disappearance of a little girl and some people have leapt to his defence because he is not their suspect of choice.

It quite amazes me the resistance there is to legitimate investigation for the purpose of finding what happened to Madeleine McCann who was that little girl but who could very well be a teenager now who deserves to know her identity.

Bearing in mind that the Germans may have what they consider to be proof of her death ~ that appears to be opinion at the moment ~ and Madeleine could very well be alive somewhere with a coterieagainst her willing that she is never found.
There probably is a word for that level of intransigence and I don't think "sceptic" covers it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:09:02 AM
Everybody makes grammatical and punctuation mistakes.  Highlighting the mistakes of others is a pointless exercise and achieves nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 23, 2020, 06:25:01 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:09:02 AM
Everybody makes grammatical and punctuation mistakes.  Highlighting the mistakes of others is a pointless exercise and achieves nothing.
The forums for me have been an education.   Brietta in particular uses words I never use so I have to look them up.  That is a good day for me to learn a new word.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:33:59 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 23, 2020, 06:25:01 AM
The forums for me have been an education.   Brietta in particular uses words I never use so I have to look them up.  That is a good day for me to learn a new word.

Me too, Rob.  Brietta has done wonders for my vocabulary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 07:13:43 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 23, 2020, 06:03:00 AM
Ain't that the truth.
That’s just rude.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 01:55:09 PM
Members are reminded that criticising another member's grammar or spelling is contrary to the forum rules.

If you can raed a post thn it is aceptble.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 02:26:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 01:55:09 PM
Members are reminded that criticising another member's grammar or spelling is contrary to the forum rules.

If you can raed a post thn it is aceptble.

Are there any rules anymore? To me they appear more mere judgements based on which side of the fence the moderator sits.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 02:30:32 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 02:26:01 PM
Are there any rules anymore? To me they appear more mere judgements based on which side of the fence the moderator sits.

Angelo is a Sceptic and I am a Supporter?  So how does your opinion work?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 22, 2020, 10:02:06 PM
Speaking for myself I find the whole sceptic/supporter thing tiresome and puerile.  At the moment the police are investigating a seriously deranged man in relation to the disappearance of a little girl and some people have leapt to his defence because he is not their suspect of choice.

It quite amazes me the resistance there is to legitimate investigation for the purpose of finding what happened to Madeleine McCann who was that little girl but who could very well be a teenager now who deserves to know her identity.

Bearing in mind that the Germans may have what they consider to be proof of her death ~ that appears to be opinion at the moment ~ and Madeleine could very well be alive somewhere with a coterieagainst her willing that she is never found.
There probably is a word for that level of intransigence and I don't think "sceptic" covers it.

The most legitimate investigation into what happened on 3rd May 2007 in my opinion was the one carried out by the Portuguese police forces which had irrefutable jurisdiction in the case. Despite that, their work has been questioned and rejected by many due, imo, to a determined campaign to destroy their credibility.

Those same people have supported the less legitimate investigations by the Metropolitan and German police unquestionly, based solely, imo, on the fact that these investigations are seeking an abductor, although neither of them have ever offered any evidence that an abduction took place.

I think accusing people of defending CB is an exaggeration. Pointing out that the evidence available to the public is by no means enough to assume guilt is sensible imo.

It's highly unlikely in my opinion that Madeleine will be found alive, and I doubt if there is any police officer who believes that she will. I also doubt that any police force has been searching for a living child in recent years. That's not the same, however as 'willing that she will never be found', which is a pretty awful thing to suggest imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 03:05:01 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 02:51:04 PM
The most legitimate investigation into what happened on 3rd May 2007 in my opinion was the one carried out by the Portuguese police forces which had irrefutable jurisdiction in the case. Despite that, their work has been questioned and rejected by many due, imo, to a determined campaign to destroy their credibility.

Those same people have supported the less legitimate investigations by the Metropolitan and German police unquestionly, based solely, imo, on the fact that these investigations are seeking an abductor, although neither of them have ever offered any evidence that an abduction took place.

I think accusing people of defending CB is an exaggeration. Pointing out that the evidence available to the public is by no means enough to assume guilt is sensible imo.

It's highly unlikely in my opinion that Madeleine will be found alive, and I doubt if there is any police officer who believes that she will. I also doubt that any police force has been searching for a living child in recent years. That's not the same, however as 'willing that she will never be found', which is a pretty awful thing to suggest imo.

Amaral and therefore the rest of the investigation misunderstood the evidence...they destroyed their own credibility imo

The very fact the HCW has made the statements he has is highly significant considering the privacy laws in his country. It seems portugal is different in as much its acceptable to accuse suspects of crimes with next to no evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 23, 2020, 03:05:01 PM
Amaral and therefore the rest of the investigation misunderstood the evidence...they destroyed their own credibility imo

The very fact the HCW has made the statements he has is highly significant considering the privacy laws in his country. It seems portugal is different in as much its acceptable to accuse suspects of crimes with next to no evidence

Time will tell but it is the original investigation which usually has the best chance of uncovering the truth. Scotland Yard and the German police are coming to this case as a cold case, many original witnesses are not now available to them for all sorts of reasons. Had the McCanns really wanted to help the original enquiry then they went about it the wrong way. No wonder Kate McCann was asked if she recognised that her actions were counter to the enquiry when she refused to answer some pretty basic questions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 02:30:32 PM
Angelo is a Sceptic and I am a Supporter?  So how does your opinion work?

My post was directed at neither you nor Angelo, who are on the whole fair. Apologies for the confusion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
Time will tell but it is the original investigation which usually has the best chance of uncovering the truth. Scotland Yard and the German police are coming to this case as a cold case, many original witnesses are not now available to them for all sorts of reasons. Had the McCanns really wanted to help the original enquiry then they went about it the wrong way. No wonder Kate McCann was asked if she recognised that her actions were counter to the enquiry when she refused to answer some pretty basic questions.

Time will tell...the initial investigation was inept and involved two officers who were later convicted for their role in the fabrication of evidence...some fact ..some opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 23, 2020, 03:05:01 PM
Amaral and therefore the rest of the investigation misunderstood the evidence...they destroyed their own credibility imo

The very fact the HCW has made the statements he has is highly significant considering the privacy laws in his country. It seems portugal is different in as much its acceptable to accuse suspects of crimes with next to no evidence

Bump for Davel.

What are the privacy laws with regard to police investigations in Germany? Some background on the issue would be interesting....genuinely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 03:34:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 02:51:04 PM
The most legitimate investigation into what happened on 3rd May 2007 in my opinion was the one carried out by the Portuguese police forces which had irrefutable jurisdiction in the case. Despite that, their work has been questioned and rejected by many due, imo, to a determined campaign to destroy their credibility.

Those same people have supported the less legitimate investigations by the Metropolitan and German police unquestionly, based solely, imo, on the fact that these investigations are seeking an abductor, although neither of them have ever offered any evidence that an abduction took place.

I think accusing people of defending CB is an exaggeration. Pointing out that the evidence available to the public is by no means enough to assume guilt is sensible imo.

It's highly unlikely in my opinion that Madeleine will be found alive, and I doubt if there is any police officer who believes that she will. I also doubt that any police force has been searching for a living child in recent years. That's not the same, however as 'willing that she will never be found', which is a pretty awful thing to suggest imo.

Excellent post G.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 23, 2020, 03:32:23 PM
Time will tell...the initial investigation was inept and involved two officers who were later convicted for their role in the fabrication of evidence...some fact ..some opinion

Had the English police provided the background information requested by the Portuguese police we might not be discussing this case now.  Just why exactly were the McCanns given protection against prosecution as if they had some form of diplomatic immunity?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 03:40:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
Had the English police provided the background information requested by the Portuguese police we might not be discussing this case now.  Just why exactly were the McCanns given protection against prosecution?

It seems everyone else is  to blame for the PJs abject failure
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 23, 2020, 03:40:36 PM
It seems everyone else is  to blame for the PJs abject failure

What abject failure?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 03:52:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 03:49:16 PM
What abject failure?

Abject failure to understand the evidence..we are always told amarals theory was shared by his team
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 04:02:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 03:49:16 PM
What abject failure?

Portuguese police believed Madeleine McCann died in her family's holiday flat and that her parents faked her abduction, a court heard today.


Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida said he believed the British child had died in her family's apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on the day she went missing. He told the court the main evidence for this was the findings of British police sniffer dogs sent to Portugal to examine the flat. The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, challenged this claim, arguing that the results from sniffer dogs did not constitute proof and were not allowed as evidence in the case.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jan/12/madeleine-mccann-parents-defamation-book


they were told the alerts had no evidential value yet the PJ considered the alerts the main evidence...laughable...inept
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 04:37:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 23, 2020, 04:02:11 PM
Portuguese police believed Madeleine McCann died in her family's holiday flat and that her parents faked her abduction, a court heard today.


Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida said he believed the British child had died in her family's apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on the day she went missing. He told the court the main evidence for this was the findings of British police sniffer dogs sent to Portugal to examine the flat. The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, challenged this claim, arguing that the results from sniffer dogs did not constitute proof and were not allowed as evidence in the case.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jan/12/madeleine-mccann-parents-defamation-book


they were told the alerts had no evidential value yet the PJ considered the alerts the main evidence...laughable...inept

...and 13 years later is there a shred of evidence to prove otherwise?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 04:52:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 04:37:25 PM
...and 13 years later is there a shred of evidence to prove otherwise?

That's like saying is there a shred of evidence that CB didn't abduct Maddie..

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 04:59:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 04:37:25 PM
...and 13 years later is there a shred of evidence to prove otherwise?

Or otherwise.  This is laughable, if only I thought it was funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 05:13:58 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
Had the English police provided the background information requested by the Portuguese police we might not be discussing this case now.  Just why exactly were the McCanns given protection against prosecution as if they had some form of diplomatic immunity?

You do not know this to be true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 05:22:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 02:51:04 PM
The most legitimate investigation into what happened on 3rd May 2007 in my opinion was the one carried out by the Portuguese police forces which had irrefutable jurisdiction in the case. Despite that, their work has been questioned and rejected by many due, imo, to a determined campaign to destroy their credibility.

Those same people have supported the less legitimate investigations by the Metropolitan and German police unquestionly, based solely, imo, on the fact that these investigations are seeking an abductor, although neither of them have ever offered any evidence that an abduction took place.

I think accusing people of defending CB is an exaggeration. Pointing out that the evidence available to the public is by no means enough to assume guilt is sensible imo.

It's highly unlikely in my opinion that Madeleine will be found alive, and I doubt if there is any police officer who believes that she will. I also doubt that any police force has been searching for a living child in recent years. That's not the same, however as 'willing that she will never be found', which is a pretty awful thing to suggest imo.
Most legitimate?  How so?  Because they rejected the idea that Madeleine was abducted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 05:26:50 PM
So back to The McCanns Dunnit.  Sadly, there is no evidence of this.

I am beginning to despair of this Forum.  The nastiness leaves me wondering why I still bother to do this.

There is absolutely no proof that The McCanns ever did anything to harm Madeleine.  But there is proof that some  people will do anything to implicate them.

This is never going to happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 05:26:50 PM
So back to The McCanns Dunnit.  Sadly, there is no evidence of this.

I am beginning to despair of this Forum.  The nastiness leaves me wondering why I still bother to do this.

There is absolutely no proof that The McCanns ever did anything to harm Madeleine.  But there is proof that some  people will do anything to implicate them.

This is never going to happen.

Nastiness ? Is suggesting that the parents may have been involved inherently nasty ? To be fair there is just as much evidence against the parents as any of the various suspects in the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 05:56:49 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 05:38:29 PM
Nastiness ? Is suggesting that the parents may have been involved inherently nasty ? To be fair there is just as much evidence against the parents as any of the various suspects in the case.

Not according to HCW.

What evidence is there against the parents..
The alerts..not reliable
Their statements..not reliable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:00:27 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 05:38:29 PM
Nastiness ? Is suggesting that the parents may have been involved inherently nasty ? To be fair there is just as much evidence against the parents as any of the various suspects in the case.

You know very well what I mean by Nastiness.  It is now inherent on this Forum.  I see it every day and try somehow to deal with it.  But it does bother me.

I rarely Delete anything, although I can't say that I care if you believe that.  In fact I am fast coming to the point where I don't much care about any of it anymore.

I so liked this Forum because it gives you all the right to express your opinions, but that wasn't good enough.  Some of you have to put the boot in.

I don't know if I will turn and become more proactive.  But believe me, you won't like it if I do.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:03:47 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:00:27 PM
You know very well what I mean by Nastiness.  It is now inherent on this Forum.  I see it every day and try somehow to deal with it.  But it does bother me.

I rarely Delete anything, although I can't say that I care if you believe that.  In fact I am fast coming to the point where I don't much care about any of it anymore.

I so liked this Forum because it gives you all the right to express your opinions, but that wasn't good enough.  Some of you have to put the boot in.

I don't know if I will turn and become more proactive.  But believe me, you won't like it if I do.

Yes I 've noticed that there is an awful lot of Amaral and PJ  kicking from certain quarters.

I suppose what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:03:47 PM
Yes I 've noticed that there is an awful lot of Amaral and PJ  kicking from certain quarters.

I suppose what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Nothing that that rabble have been accused of is as bad as the accusations levelled at the parents of a missing child IMO.  Most recently they have been accused of spending the whole of the first night of Madeleine’s disappearance prioritising their reputation and slagging off the police over any attempts to look for their daughter.  That’s just plain nasty trash talk IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 23, 2020, 06:20:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
Nothing that that rabble have been accused of is as bad as the accusations levelled at the parents of a missing child IMO.  Most recently they have been accused of spending the whole of the first night of Madeleine’s disappearance prioritising their reputation and slagging off the police over any attempts to look for their daughter.  That’s just plain nasty trash talk IMO.

....and possibly true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:23:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
Nothing that that rabble have been accused of is as bad as the accusations levelled at the parents of a missing child IMO.  Most recently they have been accused of spending the whole of the first night of Madeleine’s disappearance prioritising their reputation and slagging off the police over any attempts to look for their daughter.  That’s just plain nasty trash talk IMO.

All a matter of one's opinion really.
Those who support the McCanns think the sun shines out of their backside. Sceptics don't think that.
Never the twain shal meet.
IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:23:38 PM
All a matter of one's opinion really.
Those who support the McCanns think the sun shines out of their backside. Sceptics don't think that.
Never the twain shal meet.
IMO
I don’t think the sun shines out of the McCanns’ backsides but that doesn’t mean I feel the need to trash them at every opportunity
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:31:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:03:47 PM
Yes I 've noticed that there is an awful lot of Amaral and PJ  kicking from certain quarters.

I suppose what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Stupid, you see.  Amaral and The PJ are par for the course.  I am talking about kicking each other.  Us.  The people who comment on this Forum.  The people who provide the discussion.  None of you have a right to insult anyone just because you don't agree with their opinions.

And I'll tell you what, my bench mark is fast coming up.  Don't push me too far.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 23, 2020, 06:20:04 PM
....and possibly true.
If it’s true then there will be cites, none were provided however so one can almost certainly say it was just badmouthing for the sake of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:31:35 PM
Stupid, you see.  Amaral and The PJ are par for the course.  I am talking about kicking each other.  Us.  The people who comment on this Forum.  The people who provide the discussion.  None of you have a right to insult anyone just because you don't agree with their opinions.

And I'll tell you what, my bench mark is fast coming up.  Don't push me too far.

When you have a few zealots posting, they are bound to get carried away.
Harsher penalties is the answer - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 23, 2020, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:31:35 PM
Stupid, you see.  Amaral and The PJ are par for the course.  I am talking about kicking each other.  Us.  The people who comment on this Forum.  The people who provide the discussion.  None of you have a right to insult anyone just because you don't agree with their opinions.

And I'll tell you what, my bench mark is fast coming up.  Don't push me too far.


It'll all end in tears, won't be mine that's a certainty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 23, 2020, 06:37:57 PM

It'll all end in tears, won't be mine that's a certainty.

Nor mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 06:41:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:35:12 PM
When you have a few zealots posting, they are bound to get carried away.
Harsher penalties is the answer - IMO
Yes, start chopping off hands.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:45:31 PM
Bit draconian and difficult to implement.  I was think more along the lines of banning someone for a month at a time, longer for persistent recidivists.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:45:31 PM
Bit draconian and difficult to implement.  I was think more along the lines of banning someone for a month at a time, longer for persistent recidivists.
You’d miss Spam, you know you would.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2020, 06:46:17 PM
You’d miss Spam, you know you would.

He seems to absent himself for months at a time, so would we notice ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
Nothing that that rabble have been accused of is as bad as the accusations levelled at the parents of a missing child IMO.  Most recently they have been accused of spending the whole of the first night of Madeleine’s disappearance prioritising their reputation and slagging off the police over any attempts to look for their daughter.  That’s just plain nasty trash talk IMO.

How is it 'nasty trash talk' to present evidence showing what the McCanns said to friends and relatives during the night of 3/4th May 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 06:48:12 PM
How is it 'nasty trash talk' to present evidence showing what the McCanns said to friends and relatives during the night of 3/4th May 2007?
Because what you said wasn't true....the McCanns were not on the phone all night trashing the pj...you were making it up
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:50:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 06:48:12 PM
How is it 'nasty trash talk' to present evidence showing what the McCanns said to friends and relatives during the night of 3/4th May 2007?

Because it's critical of the McCanns.  It's nasty, nasty I tell you - not to mention jealousy and envy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:50:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:35:12 PM
When you have a few zealots posting, they are bound to get carried away.
Harsher penalties is the answer - IMO

Do you think so?  I suspect that I am not very good at this.  Issuing Warning Points for minor infractions is gross stupidity in my opinion.  Although those who have suffered this don't care all that much.  Why would they?

Although I can't remember any time when you have offended me.  So if you can do it then so can all of you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2020, 05:22:36 PM
Most legitimate?  How so?  Because they rejected the idea that Madeleine was abducted?

Irrefutable jurisdiction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:50:36 PM
Do you think so?  I suspect that I am not very good at this.  Issuing Warning Points for minor infractions is gross stupidity in my opinion.  Although those who have suffered this don't care all that much.  Why would they?

Although I can't remember any time when you have offended me.  So if you can do it then so can all of you.

They might if they couldn't post for 3 months
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 23, 2020, 06:53:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:52:37 PM
They might if they couldn't post for 3 months


Don't think so, couldn't care less.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:54:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 23, 2020, 06:53:35 PM

Don't think so, couldn't care less.

I'm sure some would explode with indignation  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:55:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2020, 06:46:17 PM
You’d miss Spam, you know you would.

No one pays any attention to Spammy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:57:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:55:53 PM
No one pays any attention to Spammy.

Good entertainment value, though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 06:48:12 PM
How is it 'nasty trash talk' to present evidence showing what the McCanns said to friends and relatives during the night of 3/4th May 2007?

Have you actually presented evidence of this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 06:51:12 PM
Irrefutable jurisdiction.

Rubbish.  And you as a Moderator aren't helping.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 07:00:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:52:37 PM
They might if they couldn't post for 3 months

I wouldn't want to do that to anyone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 23, 2020, 07:05:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 02:51:04 PM
The most legitimate investigation into what happened on 3rd May 2007 in my opinion was the one carried out by the Portuguese police forces which had irrefutable jurisdiction in the case. Despite that, their work has been questioned and rejected by many due, imo, to a determined campaign to destroy their credibility.

Those same people have supported the less legitimate investigations by the Metropolitan and German police unquestionly, based solely, imo, on the fact that these investigations are seeking an abductor, although neither of them have ever offered any evidence that an abduction took place.

I think accusing people of defending CB is an exaggeration. Pointing out that the evidence available to the public is by no means enough to assume guilt is sensible imo.

It's highly unlikely in my opinion that Madeleine will be found alive, and I doubt if there is any police officer who believes that she will. I also doubt that any police force has been searching for a living child in recent years. That's not the same, however as 'willing that she will never be found', which is a pretty awful thing to suggest imo.

I stopped reading any more of your blinkered post when I reached the end of the first paragraph.

The Policia Judiciaria concluded in their final report that there was no evidence against Kate and Gerry McCann nor had there ever been any.  What had been thought to be evidence justifying making them suspects was proved in each and every instance to have been based on entirely the wrong premise.

So which Portuguese police force are you referring to in that paragraph?  It sure ain't the Policia Judiciaria which wrote the Final Report.
That is not my opinion.  That is fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 07:06:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 06:51:12 PM
Irrefutable jurisdiction.
That's about all they had and it seems that they failed miserably resulting in the involvement of SY and the Germans
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 07:15:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 06:51:12 PM
Irrefutable jurisdiction.

What Irrefutable Jurisdiction?  The Germans are investigating Brueckner so hardly irrefutable jurisdiction.  But then Portugal doesn't want to know.  And why would they, having failed so miserably.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 07:17:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 23, 2020, 06:49:56 PM
Because what you said wasn't true....the McCanns were not on the phone all night trashing the pj...you were making it up

I'm making nothing up.

"Her anguished parents, both 38 and doctors, have accused Portuguese police of not doing enough to find her."

"Yesterday, Madd"y’s grandparents, Brian and Susan Healy, from Mossley Hill, Liverpool, flew to join their daughter Kate. They said she felt the Portuguese authorities were not doing enough to find Maddy."

"Speaking to the BBC later, Ms Renwick said the McCanns, who had been holidaying with three other British families, had felt let down by police in Portugal. "I spoke to them this morning and they said the police had done nothing overnight and they felt as if they'd been left on their own. They just don't know where to turn.""

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/chronological-index-may-2007-t249.html

Kate was still frustrated and anguished and felt that nobody was doing anything to help find Madeleine. She told me that the police had left in the morning and returned around 09H30 and that now only a few agents with sniffer dogs were in the locale.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/M_THOMPSON.htm

Kate contacted me by phone, she was devastated and appeared lost. She said that judging from the action of the local police, one would think that she "had lost a dog".

She was worried by the fact that there were only two police officers in the place and thought that the police were not helping her with anything.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/L-R-MCQUEEN.htm

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 07:17:35 PM
I'm making nothing up.

"Her anguished parents, both 38 and doctors, have accused Portuguese police of not doing enough to find her."

"Yesterday, Madd"y’s grandparents, Brian and Susan Healy, from Mossley Hill, Liverpool, flew to join their daughter Kate. They said she felt the Portuguese authorities were not doing enough to find Maddy."

"Speaking to the BBC later, Ms Renwick said the McCanns, who had been holidaying with three other British families, had felt let down by police in Portugal. "I spoke to them this morning and they said the police had done nothing overnight and they felt as if they'd been left on their own. They just don't know where to turn.""

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/chronological-index-may-2007-t249.html

Kate was still frustrated and anguished and felt that nobody was doing anything to help find Madeleine. She told me that the police had left in the morning and returned around 09H30 and that now only a few agents with sniffer dogs were in the locale.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/M_THOMPSON.htm

Kate contacted me by phone, she was devastated and appeared lost. She said that judging from the action of the local police, one would think that she "had lost a dog".

She was worried by the fact that there were only two police officers in the place and thought that the police were not helping her with anything.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/L-R-MCQUEEN.htm

What you are making up is that they were on the phone all night doing that...read your post again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 23, 2020, 07:25:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 23, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
Time will tell but it is the original investigation which usually has the best chance of uncovering the truth. Scotland Yard and the German police are coming to this case as a cold case, many original witnesses are not now available to them for all sorts of reasons. Had the McCanns really wanted to help the original enquiry then they went about it the wrong way. No wonder Kate McCann was asked if she recognised that her actions were counter to the enquiry when she refused to answer some pretty basic questions.

If the original investigation is incompetent at all levels, valuable time which cannot be replaced is lost.  If the first forensic team screw up taking initial samples, that is evidence which can never be replaced.

Kate McCann refused on the advice of her lawyer not to incriminate herself when questioned by Amaral's team by answering questions in their spurious case against her. 
The resolve which enabled her to do that was that having been made one of the prime suspects in the case it was confirmed that the police had long before given up on Madeleine ~ SHE was their case.

As a witness she had answered all their questions.  As Arguida she knew she remained Madeleine's only hope because the Portuguese had written Madeleine off and intended to solve the case by confession.  Which seems to have been their usual MO.

The place was crawling with burglars and paedophiles including Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 07:32:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 07:15:59 PM
What Irrefutable Jurisdiction?  The Germans are investigating Brueckner so hardly irrefutable jurisdiction.  But then Portugal doesn't want to know.  And why would they, having failed so miserably.

Other police forces can investigate whatever they like, but not wherever they like. (Portuguese territory)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 23, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 07:32:16 PM
Other police forces can investigate whatever they like, but not wherever they like. (Portuguese territory)

Does Portugal attract foreign paedophiles due too it's lax efforts to bring any to justice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 23, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Does Portugal attract foreign paedophiles due too it's lax efforts to bring any to justice

Does the U.K. where, if you change your name by deed poll, you can escape police attention completely?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 06:47:52 PM
He seems to absent himself for months at a time, so would we notice ?
Perhaps he is banned for months at a time?  Who really knows?.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 06:48:12 PM
How is it 'nasty trash talk' to present evidence showing what the McCanns said to friends and relatives during the night of 3/4th May 2007?
You claimed the McCanns spent all night on their mobiles slagging off the police and then provided no evidence that that is what they did, ergo you are spreading defamatory propaganda IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 08:09:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 07:17:35 PM
I'm making nothing up.

"Her anguished parents, both 38 and doctors, have accused Portuguese police of not doing enough to find her."

"Yesterday, Madd"y’s grandparents, Brian and Susan Healy, from Mossley Hill, Liverpool, flew to join their daughter Kate. They said she felt the Portuguese authorities were not doing enough to find Maddy."

"Speaking to the BBC later, Ms Renwick said the McCanns, who had been holidaying with three other British families, had felt let down by police in Portugal. "I spoke to them this morning and they said the police had done nothing overnight and they felt as if they'd been left on their own. They just don't know where to turn.""

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/chronological-index-may-2007-t249.html

Kate was still frustrated and anguished and felt that nobody was doing anything to help find Madeleine. She told me that the police had left in the morning and returned around 09H30 and that now only a few agents with sniffer dogs were in the locale.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/M_THOMPSON.htm

Kate contacted me by phone, she was devastated and appeared lost. She said that judging from the action of the local police, one would think that she "had lost a dog".

She was worried by the fact that there were only two police officers in the place and thought that the police were not helping her with anything.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/L-R-MCQUEEN.htm
Please provide cites for the time and dates that each of these conversations was alleged to have taken place.  Please provide evidemce that they spent ALL Night slagging off the police on their phones.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2020, 08:04:52 PM
Perhaps he is banned for months at a time?  Who really knows?.

I don't think so. The maximum seems to be about a week, unless someone gets banned for life. We've had a ew of those.
Or does a hissy fit - we've had a few of those as well, but they usually come back, sometimes under another user name.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 08:12:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 07:32:16 PM
Other police forces can investigate whatever they like, but not wherever they like. (Portuguese territory)
And this means the PJ’s investigation was the most legitimate?  Does that mean (for example) if the police in North Korea are investigating a crime in North Korea that their investigation is the most legitimate simply by dint of the fact that they are the national police, and nothing else need be taken into consideration?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 08:12:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 08:10:23 PM
I don't think so. The maximum seems to be about a week, unless someone gets banned for life. We've had a ew of those.
Or does a hissy fit - we've had a few of those as well, but they usually come back, sometimes under another user name.
How utterly appalling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 23, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Does Portugal attract foreign paedophiles due too it's lax efforts to bring any to justice

According to Portugal they didn't have any Paedophiles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2020, 08:04:52 PM
Perhaps he is banned for months at a time?  Who really knows?.

No, he isn't.  No one cares enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:17:38 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 08:10:23 PM
I don't think so. The maximum seems to be about a week, unless someone gets banned for life. We've had a ew of those.
Or does a hissy fit - we've had a few of those as well, but they usually come back, sometimes under another user name.

This is the best McCann Forum that any of you are going to get.  Think on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:14:03 PM
According to Portugal they didn't have any Paedophiles.

The whole of Portugal said that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 08:18:58 PM
The whole of Portugal said that?

Where was The Register?  Whoops.  They didn't have one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 23, 2020, 08:21:14 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:17:38 PM
This is the best McCann Forum that any of you are going to get.  Think on.

I don't frequent other McCann fora, but I suspect you are right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 23, 2020, 08:33:50 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 05:26:50 PM
So back to The McCanns Dunnit.  Sadly, there is no evidence of this.

I am beginning to despair of this Forum.  The nastiness leaves me wondering why I still bother to do this.

There is absolutely no proof that The McCanns ever did anything to harm Madeleine.  But there is proof that some  people will do anything to implicate them.

This is never going to happen.

I’m bemused by the intransigence which champions a known rapist and paedophile’s early release from prison because it is thought that it will throw a spoke into the wheel of a police investigation in which he is the prime suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:39:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 23, 2020, 08:21:14 PM
I don't frequent other McCann fora, but I suspect you are right.

Thank you.  We do our best.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 08:40:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
Where was The Register?  Whoops.  They didn't have one.

Yet the U.K. has a paedophile registry but still our police have lost sight of at least 500 paedophiles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 08:44:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:39:33 PM
Thank you.  We do our best.

Some of you do, unfortunately that’s not true of you all. Just have a look at the previous contribution. That’s the kind of post which breeds discontent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:48:15 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 23, 2020, 08:33:50 PM
I’m bemused by the intransigence which champions a known rapist and paedophile’s early release from prison because it is thought that it will throw a spoke into the wheel of a police investigation in which he is the prime suspect.

I don't really care about him.  Germany will deal with this.  He is now their problem.  Portugal doesn't want to know, for obvious reasons.  But I doubt that he will be going far from now on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 08:40:01 PM
Yet the U.K. has a paedophile registry but still our police have lost sight of at least 500 paedophiles.

At least Britain admits that there are Paedophiles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:52:42 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 08:44:12 PM
Some of you do, unfortunately that’s not true of you all. Just have a look at the previous contribution. That’s the kind of post which breeds discontent.

Moderators are entitled to opinions.  You might not like some of those opinions, but they are every bit as valid as yours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 23, 2020, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 08:44:12 PM
Some of you do, unfortunately that’s not true of you all. Just have a look at the previous contribution. That’s the kind of post which breeds discontent.

 You have made several posts  insinuating  that some supporters  prefer the thought that Madeleine was abused and killed by a paedophile rather than have her parents  being suspected  in her disappearance.
Nasty, nasty posts which breed discontent and resentment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 23, 2020, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 23, 2020, 07:32:16 PM
Other police forces can investigate whatever they like, but not wherever they like. (Portuguese territory)

Brueckner tortured and raped the American woman in Praia da Luz.  The Germans prosecuted him for it and he is doing time in a German jail as a result.

How do you explain the Portuguese failure to seek justice for a crime which occurred on (Portuguese territory)?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 23, 2020, 09:00:11 PM
So what were the pJ investigating in the missing files if not sex offenders?



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm



Volume I, fls. 211/212: reference to an individual with a past linked to crimes of a sexual nature with children.

Volume II
- Fls. 293/297: is a list of individuals connected with the practice of sex crimes with minors and adolescents.
- Fls. 298/300: reference to an individual linked with the practice of acts of pedophilia and exhibitionism;
- Fls. 473/474: reference to an individual linked with the practice of acts of exhibitionism.

Volume III, fls. 754/757: information and bibliographic record of a citizen in connection with acts of paedophilia.

Volume V, fls. 1246/1254: list resulting from the search carried out in the PJ Database related to individuals of foreign nationality and linked with child sexual abuse and paedophilia.

Volume XV
- Fls. 4085/4100: reference to a Portuguese citizen having physical similarities to the portrait (e-fit), with police record showing convictions for robbery, rape and kidnapping.
- Fls. 4102/4110: identification of an English individual having physical similarities to the portrait (e-fit).
- Fls. 4116/4127: work performed with an individual known through the practice of a crime of sexual abuse of minors, having a police record and convictions for that same crime.

Volume XVI, fls. 4130/4132: reference to a French citizen with physical similarities to the portrait (e-fit).

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 23, 2020, 09:01:47 PM
Quote from: Erngath on November 23, 2020, 08:54:37 PM
You have made several posts  insinuating  that some supporters  prefer the thought that Madeleine was abused and killed by a paedophile rather than have her parents  being suspected  in her disappearance.
Nasty, nasty posts which breed discontent and resentment.

Only if you let it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 08:52:42 PM
Moderators are entitled to opinions.  You might not like some of those opinions, but they are every bit as valid as yours.

Perhaps you need to explain that to the moderator who is causing the division.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 23, 2020, 09:06:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 23, 2020, 09:01:47 PM
Only if you let it.

Thank you for your advice.
Perhaps share your wise words with Faithlilly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:11:16 PM
Quote from: Erngath on November 23, 2020, 08:54:37 PM
You have made several posts  insinuating  that some supporters  prefer the thought that Madeleine was abused and killed by a paedophile rather than have her parents  being suspected  in her disappearance.
Nasty, nasty posts which breed discontent and resentment.

That is not what I posted. Please do not misrepresent my words. I said that the child was collateral.

And I’m not a moderator so the onus is not on me to be non-partisan.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 23, 2020, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:11:16 PM
That is not what I posted. Please do not misrepresent my words. I said that the child was collateral.

And I’m not a moderator so the onus is not on me to be non-partisan.

I believe your nasty  posts have been removed  but that was exactly your accusation..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: Erngath on November 23, 2020, 09:13:33 PM
I believe your nasty  posts have been removed  but that was exactly your accusation..

No it wasn’t but it obviously hit a nerve.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:06:14 PM
Perhaps you need to explain that to the moderator who is causing the division.

I think you might have your wires crossed here.  There are only five Moderators.  Two Sceptics, Two Supporters and One who is neither.

It is not my place to tell any of them anything.  They are all entitled to their opinions.  No one as far as I can see is causing a division.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 23, 2020, 09:17:44 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:15:24 PM
No it wasn’t but it obviously hit a nerve.

Yes it was and indeed it did hit a nerve.
As it would if such an accusation was directed at you as a sceptic.
Please stop denying you made such a nasty accusation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:11:16 PM
That is not what I posted. Please do not misrepresent my words. I said that the child was collateral.

And I’m not a moderator so the onus is not on me to be non-partisan.

Nor is it on me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
I think you might have your wires crossed here.  There are only five Moderators.  Two Sceptics, Two Supporters and One who is neither.

It is not my place to tell any of them anything.  They are all entitled to their opinions.  No one as far as I can see is causing a division.

Then you are simply wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: Erngath on November 23, 2020, 09:17:44 PM
Yes it was and indeed it did hit a nerve.
As it would if such an accusation was directed at you as a sceptic.
Please stop denying you made such a nasty accusation.

I will not stop denying it because I didn’t post it. That you translated it in that way is a matter for you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:35:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 09:18:54 PM
Nor is it on me.

It certainly is if you are to moderate posts fairly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 23, 2020, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:31:58 PM
I will not stop denying it because I didn’t post it. That you translated it in that way is a matter for you.


And your nasty  posts were removed.
Why?
Because I " translated it in that way"
I don't think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:30:21 PM
Then you are simply wrong.

But only in your opinion, which is biased.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 09:35:13 PM
It certainly is if you are to moderate posts fairly.

I rarely Moderate anything beyond a flagrant breaking of The Rules, which fortunately doesn't happen very often. 

So don't try to lump this on me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 10:26:39 PM
Quote from: Erngath on November 23, 2020, 09:35:45 PM

And your nasty  posts were removed.
Why?
Because I " translated it in that way"
I don't think so.

What can I say? You misconstrued my posts. Why you did that is obviously open to question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 09:41:05 PM
But only in your opinion, which is biased.

As is your own.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 10:29:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 09:44:48 PM
I rarely Moderate anything beyond a flagrant breaking of The Rules, which fortunately doesn't happen very often. 

So don't try to lump this on me.

And I wasn’t. I find you moderate, on the whole, fairly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 10:27:04 PM
As is your own.

I have the ability to control my bias when it comes to Moderating.  I don't have to do this when expressing an opinion.

And fortunately I don't care anymore of what anyone thinks of me.  John knows what I do, or more to the point, don't do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 10:29:09 PM
And I wasn’t. I find you moderate, on the whole, fairly.

But you don't even know what I do Moderate.  Apart from Rob I seem to be the only other Moderator whose name actually appears when I am here.  But just because you can see my name doesn't mean that it was me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 10:45:25 PM
We all saw Faithlilly’s posts, and it was very clear that her posts were designed to cause maximum offence and that it was because they were offensive that they were removed.  She described posts that some us made as causing her to be “sick to her stomach”, so what excactly was she referring to if not the (completely  false) premise that Mcccann supporters are delighted at the news that Madeleine was probably abducted and murdered by a paedophile?   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2020, 10:45:25 PM
We all saw Faithlilly’s posts, and it was very clear that her posts were designed to cause maximum offence and that it was because they were offensive that they were removed.  The fact that she is now denying what her posts meant doesn’t alter these facts.

I don't know.  I don't think I saw them and nor do I know who deleted them.  I was doing something else this afternoon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 10:36:10 PM
I have the ability to control my bias when it comes to Moderating.  I don't have to do this when expressing an opinion.

And fortunately I don't care anymore of what anyone thinks of me.  John knows what I do, or more to the point, don't do.

I’m not sure why you are making this about you...it isn’t...and while you appear to be able to control your bias when moderating I’m afraid there’s others who can’t, or don’t. Their moderation is uneven at best and partisan at worst.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 10:55:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 10:39:57 PM
But you don't even know what I do Moderate.  Apart from Rob I seem to be the only other Moderator whose name actually appears when I am here.  But just because you can see my name doesn't mean that it was me.

Only one moderator’s name doesn’t appear I believe.

And again I don’t think that you moderate unfairly but I know who does.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 23, 2020, 10:57:44 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 10:52:32 PM
I don't know.  I don't think I saw them and nor do I know who deleted them.  I was doing something else this afternoon.
One of her disgusting allegations remains on this forum and proves that her posts tonight claiming she didn’t accuse some of us of wishing the very worst fate for Madeleine are utter lies:

quote from: Faithlilly on June 08, 2020, 12:00:21 AM
I hope they all talked to the police before the papers.

This man is no doubt a horrendous individual but the fact that he claimed Madeleine was dead and speculated how her body might have been disposed of....remember there had been talk of the Cipriano woman feeding her daughter to pigs...while abhorrent to some does not make him guilty of any part in Madeleine’s disappearance.

Being fed to pigs, statements describing her death, pictures of her body....is there nothing you wouldn’t wish on this poor child just to prove Brueckner’s guilt ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 10:58:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 10:52:32 PM
I don't know.  I don't think I saw them and nor do I know who deleted them.  I was doing something else this afternoon.

This wasn’t today but several weeks ago. My posts seem to have bitten deep though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2020, 10:57:44 PM
One of her disgusting allegations remains on this forum and proves that her posts tonight claiming she didn’t accuse some of us of wishing the very worst fate for Madeleine are utter lies:

quote from: Faithlilly on June 08, 2020, 12:00:21 AM
I hope they all talked to the police before the papers.

This man is no doubt a horrendous individual but the fact that he claimed Madeleine was dead and speculated how her body might have been disposed of....remember there had been talk of the Cipriano woman feeding her daughter to pigs...while abhorrent to some does not make him guilty of any part in Madeleine’s disappearance.

Being fed to pigs, statements describing her death, pictures of her body....is there nothing you wouldn’t wish on this poor child just to prove Brueckner’s guilt ?

Ah, Yes, I have seen some of that, but I truly can't remember who said it, although probably more than one.

But this was bound to happen because Sceptics can't be cross with themselves for getting it all so wrong.  They have to lash out in the process of assuaging their own guilt.  And I only mean that it is now almost impossible for the McCanns to have been involved.

Whether or not Brueckner was involved is still a matter for speculation, but I am certain sure that someone Abducted Madeleine.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 11:23:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 10:53:31 PM
I’m not sure why you are making this about you...it isn’t...and while you appear to be able to control your bias when moderating I’m afraid there’s others who can’t, or don’t. Their moderation is uneven at best and partisan at worst.

For this moment, or any other, then it is about me and what I do.

Nor have I seen any Moderation from anyone that is unfair.  Not anyone.

However, there is Moderation that is Not Reported.  John and Admin for instance.  So I don't know what was said or why something was Deleted.

You might give that some thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 11:33:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 11:23:58 PM
For this moment, or any other, then it is about me and what I do.

Nor have I seen any Moderation from anyone that is unfair.  Not anyone.

However, there is Moderation that is Not Reported.  John and Admin for instance.  So I don't know what was said or why something was Deleted.

You might give that some thought.

When the moderated post has ‘moderated by’ I think I can be certain who moderated it.

And, with the greatest respect, saying that there is no unfair moderation because you haven’t seen it is a bit like a Conservative MP saying that Priti Patel isn’t a bully because they hadn’t seen her bully anyone.

Perhaps you might give that some thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 23, 2020, 11:33:52 PM
When the moderated post has ‘moderated by’ I think I can be certain who moderated it.

And, with the greatest respect, saying that there is no unfair moderation because you haven’t seen it is a bit like a Conservative MP saying that Priti Patel isn’t a bully because they hadn’t seen her bully anyone.

Perhaps you might give that some thought.

That is just Modifying.  Hardly Moderation.  And at least they have the courage to put their name to what they have done instead of Deleting the whole Comment, which would have been so much more simple, don't you think?

The problem here is that some of you think that you should be allowed to say whatever you like.  This isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 24, 2020, 01:00:19 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 11:44:58 PM
That is just Modifying.  Hardly Moderation.  And at least they have the courage to put their name to what they have done instead of Deleting the whole Comment, which would have been so much more simple, don't you think?

The problem here is that some of you think that you should be allowed to say whatever you like.  This isn't going to happen.

Courage is standing up to individuals who abuse their power not enabling them to continue. Perhaps you’ll learn that one day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 01:17:42 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 24, 2020, 01:00:19 AM
Courage is standing up to individuals who abuse their power not enabling them to continue. Perhaps you’ll learn that one day.

You simply don't understand how this works.  John always has the last word.  And he reads every Report.

If a Modification or a Deletion remains in place then it is because he agrees.  If he doesn't agree then he reinstates the comment.  That is the fact of the matter.

So you are trying to blame the wrong people for some inexplicable reason known only to yourself.

This Forum has never been a Democracy.  And nor do I expect it to be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 24, 2020, 06:05:08 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 11:16:29 PM
Ah, Yes, I have seen some of that, but I truly can't remember who said it, although probably more than one.

But this was bound to happen because Sceptics can't be cross with themselves for getting it all so wrong.  They have to lash out in the process of assuaging their own guilt.  And I only mean that it is now almost impossible for the McCanns to have been involved.

Whether or not Brueckner was involved is still a matter for speculation, but I am certain sure that someone Abducted Madeleine.
Just because your sure doesn't mean to say it happened, even the Germans haven't said their suspect lifted Madeleine out of 5a.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 24, 2020, 06:08:41 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
I think you might have your wires crossed here.  There are only five Moderators. Two Sceptics, Two Supporters and One who is neither.

It is not my place to tell any of them anything.  They are all entitled to their opinions.  No one as far as I can see is causing a division.
Yourself,Myster,brittle, Rob, that's four.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on November 24, 2020, 07:35:53 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 24, 2020, 06:08:41 AM
Yourself,Myster,brittle, Rob, that's four.

and only one mod who doesnt believe the mcanns thats not very balenced is it    i havea idea who deletes posts on here
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 11:16:29 PM
Ah, Yes, I have seen some of that, but I truly can't remember who said it, although probably more than one.

But this was bound to happen because Sceptics can't be cross with themselves for getting it all so wrong.  They have to lash out in the process of assuaging their own guilt.  And I only mean that it is now almost impossible for the McCanns to have been involved.

Whether or not Brueckner was involved is still a matter for speculation, but I am certain sure that someone Abducted Madeleine.

I think 'sceptic guilt' might be a figment of your imagination.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on November 24, 2020, 07:57:49 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 07:48:49 AM
I think 'sceptic guilt' might be a figment of your imagination.

most skeptics are not emotionally  attached to maddie like supporters  seem to be she isnt my   child or anyone elses child on  here   i dont feel guilt about my opinion on the mcanns 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 08:10:32 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on November 24, 2020, 07:35:53 AM
and only one mod who doesnt believe the mcanns thats not very balenced is it    i havea idea who deletes posts on here
Angelo doesn’t believe them, nor it seems does John, Admin doesn’t support them, nor does Holly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 08:13:04 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on November 24, 2020, 07:57:49 AM
most skeptics are not emotionally  attached to maddie like supporters  seem to be she isnt my   child or anyone elses child on  here   i dont feel guilt about my opinion on the mcanns
Emotionally attached to Maddie?  According to Faithlilly supporters want her to have suffered terribly st the hands of a paedo!  Good to know you have no feelings about a child whose life and probsble death you have been poring over for 13 years though, that sounds very normal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 08:43:44 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 22, 2020, 10:02:06 PM
Speaking for myself I find the whole sceptic/supporter thing tiresome and puerile.  At the moment the police are investigating a seriously deranged man in relation to the disappearance of a little girl and some people have leapt to his defence because he is not their suspect of choice.

It quite amazes me the resistance there is to legitimate investigation for the purpose of finding what happened to Madeleine McCann who was that little girl but who could very well be a teenager now who deserves to know her identity.

Bearing in mind that the Germans may have what they consider to be proof of her death ~ that appears to be opinion at the moment ~ and Madeleine could very well be alive somewhere with a coterieagainst her willing that she is never found.
There probably is a word for that level of intransigence and I don't think "sceptic" covers it.
While I am  certainly not leaping to his defence  what evidence have you to say CB is  “ seriously deranged” a term used by the medical profession specialising  in mental illnesses. Nowhere have I seen anything reported claiming that .
As for suggesting there are some people willing that Madeleine is never found ,that  is quite a foul allegation , wholly in your own mind  in my opinion .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 24, 2020, 08:53:34 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 08:43:44 AM
While I am  certainly not leaping to his defence  what evidence have you to say CB is  “ seriously deranged” a term used by the medical profession specialising  in mental illnesses. Nowhere have I seen anything reported claiming that .
As for suggesting there are some people willing that Madeleine is never found ,that  is quite a foul allegation , wholly in your own mind  in my opinion .

Seriously deranged is certainly not a medical term...you need to do a little more research...but i think it describes CB unless you think his actions are part of the normal spectrum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 24, 2020, 09:21:03 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 24, 2020, 08:13:04 AM
Emotionally attached to Maddie?  According to Faithlilly supporters want her to have suffered terribly st the hands of a paedo!  Good to know you have no feelings about a child whose life and probsble death you have been poring over for 13 years though, that sounds very normal.

I have no emotional attachment to someone I never met, don't care for & that's been dead for 13 years.

I think that's a healthy position to take.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 24, 2020, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 24, 2020, 08:53:34 AM
Seriously deranged is certainly not a medical term...you need to do a little more research...but i think it describes CB unless you think his actions are part of the normal spectrum.

Define normal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 24, 2020, 08:53:34 AM
Seriously deranged is certainly not a medical term...you need to do a little more research...but i think it describes CB unless you think his actions are part of the normal spectrum.
I don’t need to do anything. You can think seriously deranged describes CB ‘s actions ,that doesn’t mean to say you’re correct in your thinking  which of course you always think you are .
CB is being held in prison not a unit for the seriously deranged .

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 24, 2020, 09:21:03 AM
I have no emotional attachment to someone I never met, don't care for & that's been dead for 13 years.

I think that's a healthy position to take.
What keeps you commenting on the case year in year out?  there must be some emotional response you're getting out of it or are you a Russian Bot?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 09:39:37 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 09:23:44 AM
I don’t need to do anything. You can think seriously deranged describes CB ‘s actions ,that doesn’t mean to say you’re correct in your thinking  which of course you always think you are .
CB is being held in prison not a unit for the seriously deranged .
What adjectives would you use to describe someone who breaks into the house of an old woman at night, ties her up, threatens her with a sword, beats her, rapes her, and films it?  The same person who also enjoys masturbating in front of children?  If deranged is the wrong word what is the right word?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 24, 2020, 09:44:01 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 09:23:44 AM
I don’t need to do anything. You can think seriously deranged describes CB ‘s actions ,that doesn’t mean to say you’re correct in your thinking  which of course you always think you are .
CB is being held in prison not a unit for the seriously deranged .
It is a fact that seriously deranged is not a medical term...so I'm right on that. I'm also right to refer to him as seriously deranged as theres no precise definition
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 24, 2020, 09:49:01 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 24, 2020, 09:22:51 AM
Define normal.

Normal people do not spend their whole life stealing, selling drugs,  abusing children and raping pensioners. IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 24, 2020, 09:44:01 AM
It is a fact that seriously deranged is not a medical term...so I'm right on that. I'm also right to refer to him as seriously deranged as theres no precise definition
According to the dictionary  Deranged .....completely unable to think clearly or behave in a controlled way especially because of mental illness
Yes CB appears not to be able to behave in a controlled way . It does not however come under seriously deranged .
Actually I think he’s more of a fantasist ,acting out .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 24, 2020, 10:49:55 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
According to the dictionary  Deranged .....completely unable to think clearly or behave in a controlled way especially because of mental illness
Yes CB appears not to be able to behave in a controlled way . It does not however come under seriously deranged .
Actually I think he’s more of a fantasist ,acting out .

It doesn't say always due to a mental illness..deranged is a perfectly acceptable description.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
According to the dictionary  Deranged .....completely unable to think clearly or behave in a controlled way especially because of mental illness
Yes CB appears not to be able to behave in a controlled way . It does not however come under seriously deranged .
Actually I think he’s more of a fantasist ,acting out .

Acting out exposing himself to children and raping and beating an old woman.  So that's alright then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 24, 2020, 10:53:06 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 10:50:39 AM
Acting out exposing himself to children and raping and beating an old woman.  So that's alright then.
If he videos the rapes, it is planned premeditated, therefore he is not insane. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 10:55:00 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 24, 2020, 10:53:06 AM
If he videos the rapes, it is planned premeditated, therefore he is not insane.

So what is he then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 24, 2020, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 10:55:00 AM
So what is he then?

Definitely deranged
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 24, 2020, 10:59:30 AM
Definitely deranged

I would say so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 24, 2020, 11:03:03 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 10:55:00 AM
So what is he then?
He was probably hoping to make money selling access to the videos on the Dark Web. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 24, 2020, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 01:17:42 AM
You simply don't understand how this works.  John always has the last word.  And he reads every Report.

If a Modification or a Deletion remains in place then it is because he agrees.  If he doesn't agree then he reinstates the comment.  That is the fact of the matter.

So you are trying to blame the wrong people for some inexplicable reason known only to yourself.

This Forum has never been a Democracy.  And nor do I expect it to be.

I think the above is demonstrably untrue but I think this conversation would be better taken to pm. Enough of the forum’s time has been taken up with it already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 24, 2020, 11:03:03 AM
He was probably hoping to make money selling access to the videos on the Dark Web.

Good God.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 11:28:43 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 08:43:44 AM
While I am  certainly not leaping to his defence  what evidence have you to say CB is  “ seriously deranged” a term used by the medical profession specialising  in mental illnesses. Nowhere have I seen anything reported claiming that .
As for suggesting there are some people willing that Madeleine is never found ,that  is quite a foul allegation , wholly in your own mind  in my opinion .
You say “While I am certainly not leaping to his defence”  What exactly is your post about then?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 11:47:14 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 08:43:44 AM
While I am  certainly not leaping to his defence  what evidence have you to say CB is  “ seriously deranged” a term used by the medical profession specialising  in mental illnesses. Nowhere have I seen anything reported claiming that .
As for suggesting there are some people willing that Madeleine is never found ,that  is quite a foul allegation , wholly in your own mind  in my opinion .
As for suggesting there are some people willing that Madeleine is never found ,that  is quite a foul allegation , wholly in your own mind  in my opinion .

Allow me to point out that your personal remark directed at me is an ad hom which is against forum protocol.  Please give more consideration to the content of your posts in future.


If you think that there are not those who have foully campaigned in many different ways against any initiative in Madeleine McCann’s case may I ask you two questions to explain just one infinitesimal aspect ~ which is in reference to the FOI requests which are an obsession for some.
Snip
5. Reference was made in 2014 to Operation Grange/the Home Office/the government paying for Portuguese assistance with searches in Praia da Luz, Portugal, including the hire of a top-of-the-range Mark III Alouette military helicopter. Please give the dates and amounts of all or any payments made to the Portuguese government or any Portuguese agencies in respect of these expenses or any other expenses for which the Portuguese Poice or other agencies have requested payment.
(This same question has also been sent to the Home Office)

My questions are ...    

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 24, 2020, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 11:18:54 AM
Good God.
It what they do on the Dark Web I've been told.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 24, 2020, 10:49:55 AM
It doesn't say always due to a mental illness..deranged is a perfectly acceptable description.
In your opinion ? However that’s all it is since you’re not qualified to know what makes CB behave as he does . 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 11:28:43 AM
You say “While I am certainly not leaping to his defence”  What exactly is your post about then?
Its opposing what you said . I don’t want to be categorised in the manner you’re suggesting  . I.e  “ leaping to his defence “
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 12:00:14 PM
In your opinion ? However that’s all it is since you’re not qualified to know what makes CB behave as he does .
Why are you making something out of nothing?  Clearly these are the actions of a disturbed individual.  "Deranged" is a perfectly acceptable turn of phrase of describing them and the perpetrator of such acts IMO, and why you should seek to make an issue of it is quite baffling, unless it's because you just wanted another ding-dong with Davel?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
Its opposing what you said . I don’t want to be categorised in the manner you’re suggesting  . I.e  “ leaping to his defence “
You are defending him against what you perceive to be unjust allegations of his derangement. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 24, 2020, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
Its opposing what you said . I don’t want to be categorised in the manner you’re suggesting  . I.e  “ leaping to his defence “

Its not up to you to decide what words can be used to descibe CB...It really is  a simple as that. deranged is perfectly acceptable based on his behaviour
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 24, 2020, 12:18:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 23, 2020, 05:26:50 PM
So back to The McCanns Dunnit.  Sadly, there is no evidence of this.

I am beginning to despair of this Forum.  The nastiness leaves me wondering why I still bother to do this.

There is absolutely no proof that The McCanns ever did anything to harm Madeleine.  But there is proof that some  people will do anything to implicate them.

This is never going to happen.

Depends what you mean by dunnit.  The evidence certainly point to their irresponsibility which created the situation whereby abduction occurred.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 12:29:11 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
Its opposing what you said . I don’t want to be categorised in the manner you’re suggesting  . I.e  “ leaping to his defence “

I did not put you into that category but I think your response might have.  You chose to criticise terminology I used when describing Brueckner while ignoring the rest which stated "some people have leapt to his defence because he is not their suspect of choice.

It quite amazes me the resistance there is to legitimate investigation for the purpose of finding what happened to Madeleine McCann ..."

Whether you realise it or not the way in which you have couched your objection to my post reveals quite a lot all centred around your lack of discernment in the use of language; bolstered by inclusion of a silly ad hom.
That is my opinion ~ for which your post has provided the evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 24, 2020, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 24, 2020, 12:13:14 PM
Its not up to you to decide what words can be used to descibe CB...It really is  a simple as that. deranged is perfectly acceptable based on his behaviour
Is Leonor deranged, given her criminal convictions?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 12:35:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 24, 2020, 12:08:04 PM
Why are you making something out of nothing?  Clearly these are the actions of a disturbed individual.  "Deranged" is a perfectly acceptable turn of phrase of describing them and the perpetrator of such acts IMO, and why you should seek to make an issue of it is quite baffling, unless it's because you just wanted another ding-dong with Davel?
No ,I just happen to think that applying such a term to people you don’t know is wrong . It’s that simple . .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 24, 2020, 12:35:43 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 11:47:14 AM
As for suggesting there are some people willing that Madeleine is never found ,that  is quite a foul allegation , wholly in your own mind  in my opinion .

Allow me to point out that your personal remark directed at me is an ad hom which is against forum protocol.  Please give more consideration to the content of your posts in future.


If you think that there are not those who have foully campaigned in many different ways against any initiative in Madeleine McCann’s case may I ask you two questions to explain just one infinitesimal aspect ~ which is in reference to the FOI requests which are an obsession for some.
Snip
5. Reference was made in 2014 to Operation Grange/the Home Office/the government paying for Portuguese assistance with searches in Praia da Luz, Portugal, including the hire of a top-of-the-range Mark III Alouette military helicopter. Please give the dates and amounts of all or any payments made to the Portuguese government or any Portuguese agencies in respect of these expenses or any other expenses for which the Portuguese Poice or other agencies have requested payment.
(This same question has also been sent to the Home Office)

My questions are ...
  • in precisely what way is assistance intended in the furtherance of Madeleine's case by the request outlined in question five of this 2018 FOI communication; or to put it simply ~ why was it asked?
  • Can you name one other criminal investigation in which persons not directly involved in a case have submitted so many FOI requests.
   

I have to ask, how does asking questions about how tax payers money is spent equate to ‘foully campaigning’ against OG? I believe several newspapers also submitted FOI requests regarding several aspects, including the funding, of OG. Were they also ‘foully campaigning ‘ against OG ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 12:37:11 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 12:29:11 PM
I did not put you into that category but I think your response might have.  You chose to criticise terminology I used when describing Brueckner while ignoring the rest which stated "some people have leapt to his defence because he is not their suspect of choice.

It quite amazes me the resistance there is to legitimate investigation for the purpose of finding what happened to Madeleine McCann ..."

Whether you realise it or not the way in which you have couched your objection to my post reveals quite a lot all centred around your lack of discernment in the use of language; bolstered by inclusion of a silly ad hom.
That is my opinion ~ for which your post has provided the evidence.
If it pleases you to think that so be it .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 24, 2020, 12:18:38 PM
Depends what you mean by dunnit.  The evidence certainly point to their irresponsibility which created the situation whereby abduction occurred.

They went out for a meal forty five seconds distance from their sleeping children and their eldest child vanished.

They have had to live with that every single day of their lives since then.  They have no choice.

The people who spend huge parts of their lives hating them and expressing that hatred in every single which way they can every day of their lives do have a choice.
They have made it ~ and how that reflects on them is a no brainer in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 11:47:14 AM
As for suggesting there are some people willing that Madeleine is never found ,that  is quite a foul allegation , wholly in your own mind  in my opinion .

Allow me to point out that your personal remark directed at me is an ad hom which is against forum protocol.  Please give more consideration to the content of your posts in future.


If you think that there are not those who have foully campaigned in many different ways against any initiative in Madeleine McCann’s case may I ask you two questions to explain just one infinitesimal aspect ~ which is in reference to the FOI requests which are an obsession for some.
Snip
5. Reference was made in 2014 to Operation Grange/the Home Office/the government paying for Portuguese assistance with searches in Praia da Luz, Portugal, including the hire of a top-of-the-range Mark III Alouette military helicopter. Please give the dates and amounts of all or any payments made to the Portuguese government or any Portuguese agencies in respect of these expenses or any other expenses for which the Portuguese Poice or other agencies have requested payment.
(This same question has also been sent to the Home Office)

My questions are ...
  • in precisely what way is assistance intended in the furtherance of Madeleine's case by the request outlined in question five of this 2018 FOI communication; or to put it simply ~ why was it asked?
  • Can you name one other criminal investigation in which persons not directly involved in a case have submitted so many FOI requests.
   

On 8th May 2014 Jornal de Notícias said that the cost of the Air Force helicopter would be paid by the British authorities, so I assume someone decided to check.

"The cost of this flight, like with the other investigative steps [asked by the British], will be covered by the British authorities."
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id485.htm



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: The General on November 24, 2020, 12:30:10 PM
Is Leonor deranged, given her criminal convictions?

She might be, if that beating was anything to go by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 24, 2020, 12:52:43 PM
Quote from: The General on November 24, 2020, 12:30:10 PM
Is Leonor deranged, given her criminal convictions?

I have serious doubts she is guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 24, 2020, 12:35:43 PM
I have to ask, how does asking questions about how tax payers money is spent equate to ‘foully campaigning’ against OG? I believe several newspapers also submitted FOI requests regarding several aspects, including the funding, of OG. Were they also ‘foully campaigning ‘ against OG ?

In my opinion using emotive language has become a rather bad habit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 12:57:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
On 8th May 2014 Jornal de Notícias said that the cost of the Air Force helicopter would be paid by the British authorities, so I assume someone decided to check.

"The cost of this flight, like with the other investigative steps [asked by the British], will be covered by the British authorities."
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id485.htm

Thank you for replying on Snowgirl's behalf.  Perhaps she will catch up later.

You have hit the nail right bang on the head but I knew the answer to that already.  Someone did indeed decide to check expenditure on their own behalf.  Unfortunately though you really don't seem to have addressed the true substance of questions I asked.
Here is a reminder ...
My questions are ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 24, 2020, 01:15:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 24, 2020, 12:52:43 PM
I have serious doubts she is guilty.

She's definitely guilty of a conspiracy to defeat the ends of justice and of perjury. I have serious doubts she ever harmed anyone though as John Cipriano admitted to murdering Joana.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 12:38:06 PM
They went out for a meal forty five seconds distance from their sleeping children and their eldest child vanished.

They have had to live with that every single day of their lives since then.  They have no choice.

The people who spend huge parts of their lives hating them and expressing that hatred in every single which way they can every day of their lives do have a choice.
They have made it ~ and how that reflects on them is a no brainer in my opinion.

The first people to make a choice were the McCann couple and they knew exactly how it would be viewed when it was known in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 24, 2020, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 01:29:27 PM
The first people to make a choice were the McCann couple and they knew exactly how it would be viewed when it was known in my opinion.

It a simple logic. Had they not been so selfish Maddie would still be alive today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on November 24, 2020, 12:35:18 PM
No ,I just happen to think that applying such a term to people you don’t know is wrong . It’s that simple . .
Wrong why? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 24, 2020, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 12:45:13 PM
She might be, if that beating was anything to go by.
Throwing herself down the stairs like that will result in significant injury. So maybe you're right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 02:10:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 12:57:57 PM
Thank you for replying on Snowgirl's behalf.  Perhaps she will catch up later.

You have hit the nail right bang on the head but I knew the answer to that already.  Someone did indeed decide to check expenditure on their own behalf.  Unfortunately though you really don't seem to have addressed the true substance of questions I asked.
Here is a reminder ...
My questions are ...
  • in precisely what way is assistance intended in the furtherance of Madeleine's case by the request outlined in question five of this 2018 FOI communication; or to put it simply ~ why was it asked?
  • Can you name one other criminal investigation in which persons not directly involved in a case have submitted so many FOI requests.

I don't know why the question was asked. Are you assuming it was intended to assist in the furtherance of Madeleine's case, or are you saying that's the only reason FOI questions should be asked?

I've done no research on who has asked FOI questions relating to criminal investigations. Have you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 03:25:03 PM
Quote from: The General on November 24, 2020, 01:44:17 PM
Throwing herself down the stairs like that will result in significant injury. So maybe you're right.

She didn't throw herself down the stair.  The Portuguese Court accepted that.  Which is why Amaral was Convicted of Perjury.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 02:10:40 PM
I don't know why the question was asked. Are you assuming it was intended to assist in the furtherance of Madeleine's case, or are you saying that's the only reason FOI questions should be asked?

I've done no research on who has asked FOI questions relating to criminal investigations. Have you?

I do not need to carry out any research to know that Madeleine's case has attracted a great deal of unhealthy attention from individuals who rail against every aspect of police investigation of her case.  From personnel involved, to costs involved to the questioning of suspects; indeed to everything which makes the search for Madeleine viable.

Freedom of Information is merely another tool in the box to be used against progressing Madeleine's case.

One would have thought that the circumstances surrounding a person of Brueckner's character emerging as the prime suspect in Madeleine's case after many years of difficult international work by the police, might have proved a catalyst giving pause for thought.

That it appears not to be the case is somewhat disappointing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: The General on November 24, 2020, 01:44:17 PM
Throwing herself down the stairs like that will result in significant injury. So maybe you're right.
She was tortured, that's a legal fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 03:40:46 PM
I do not need to carry out any research to know that Madeleine's case has attracted a great deal of unhealthy attention from individuals who rail against every aspect of police investigation of her case.  From personnel involved, to costs involved to the questioning of suspects; indeed to everything which makes the search for Madeleine viable.

Freedom of Information is merely another tool in the box to be used against progressing Madeleine's case.

One would have thought that the circumstances surrounding a person of Brueckner's character emerging as the prime suspect in Madeleine's case after many years of difficult international work by the police, might have proved a catalyst giving pause for thought.

That it appears not to be the case is somewhat disappointing.

Tony Bennett and his cronies did a bit of that FOI thingy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 24, 2020, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 03:25:03 PM
She didn't throw herself down the stair.  The Portuguese Court accepted that.  Which is why Amaral was Convicted of Perjury.
She did a Greg Luganis off the top step, it's pretty obvious. A last, desperate act of a guilt ridden, addled child killer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 05:41:56 PM
Quote from: The General on November 24, 2020, 04:29:01 PM
She did a Greg Luganis off the top step, it's pretty obvious. A last, desperate act of a guilt ridden, addled child killer.
No she didn’t, it’s pretty obvious you’re simply an Amaral / PJ  apologist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 06:08:14 PM
Quote from: The General on November 24, 2020, 04:29:01 PM
She did a Greg Luganis off the top step, it's pretty obvious. A last, desperate act of a guilt ridden, addled child killer.

Goodness Me.  Don't tell me The Portuguese Court even got that one wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 24, 2020, 07:54:20 PM
Since Brückner will be in prison until 2026, I trust German law enforcement to bring the perpetrator to book re. Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 24, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 24, 2020, 07:54:20 PM
Since Brückner will be in prison until 2026, I trust German law enforcement to bring the perpetrator to book re. Madeleine.

Are those two parts of the sentence in any way related ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 24, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 24, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Are those two parts of the sentence in any way related ?
Brückner has lost his appeal two days ago in Brünswick, in the Diana Menkes rape and torture case in 2005 at Casa Jacaranda in Praia da Luz. He will be in prison until 2026 which potentially give law enforcement ample time to pursue Madeleine’s case. In my opinion. Is this clearer to comprehend?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 08:31:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 24, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Brückner has lost his appeal two days ago in Brünswick, in the Diana Menkes rape and torture case in 2005 at Casa Jacaranda in Praia da Luz. He will be in prison until 2026 which potentially give law enforcement ample time to pursue Madeleine’s case. In my opinion. Is this clearer to comprehend?

My thoughts also.  At the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 24, 2020, 08:41:39 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 24, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Brückner has lost his appeal two days ago in Brünswick, in the Diana Menkes rape and torture case in 2005 at Casa Jacaranda in Praia da Luz. He will be in prison until 2026 which potentially give law enforcement ample time to pursue Madeleine’s case. In my opinion. Is this clearer to comprehend?


Indeed the perfect patsy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 24, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 24, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Brückner has lost his appeal two days ago in Brünswick, in the Diana Menkes rape and torture case in 2005 at Casa Jacaranda in Praia da Luz. He will be in prison until 2026 which potentially give law enforcement ample time to pursue Madeleine’s case. In my opinion. Is this clearer to comprehend?
It will be for most of us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 24, 2020, 08:44:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 24, 2020, 08:41:39 PM

Indeed the perfect patsy.

Only if they find proof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 09:41:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 24, 2020, 08:41:39 PM

Indeed the perfect patsy.
Why would the Germans want to make one of their own citizens the perfect patsy in the case of a missing British child wo disappeared in Portugal?  Please explain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 24, 2020, 03:40:46 PM
I do not need to carry out any research to know that Madeleine's case has attracted a great deal of unhealthy attention from individuals who rail against every aspect of police investigation of her case.  From personnel involved, to costs involved to the questioning of suspects; indeed to everything which makes the search for Madeleine viable.

Freedom of Information is merely another tool in the box to be used against progressing Madeleine's case.

One would have thought that the circumstances surrounding a person of Brueckner's character emerging as the prime suspect in Madeleine's case after many years of difficult international work by the police, might have proved a catalyst giving pause for thought.

That it appears not to be the case is somewhat disappointing.

I've seen how people have railed against the initial investigation into the McCann case, so others keeping a close eye on OG is just as valid imo.

Your pronouncements are based on opinion rather than research then? FOI requests exist to allow people to ask questions of the authorities. How they can be used as a tool against progressing the McCann case escapes me.

So far the work put in trying to gather evidence against Brueckner has proved inadequate to 'progress' the case. Suspicion isn't enough to draw conclusions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 24, 2020, 10:43:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 24, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
I've seen how people have railed against the initial investigation into the McCann case, so others keeping a close eye on OG is just as valid imo.

Your pronouncements are based on opinion rather than research then? FOI requests exist to allow people to ask questions of the authorities. How they can be used as a tool against progressing the McCann case escapes me.

So far the work put in trying to gather evidence against Brueckner has proved inadequate to 'progress' the case. Suspicion isn't enough to draw conclusions.

The Germans are desperate now, they took a risk and it backfired on them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 24, 2020, 11:04:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 24, 2020, 10:43:03 PM
The Germans are desperate now, they took a risk and it backfired on them.

Indeed. This was always going to be the kind of case which needed more than the tainted testimony of compromised criminals.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 24, 2020, 11:12:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 24, 2020, 10:43:03 PM
The Germans are desperate now, they took a risk and it backfired on them.
In what way has it backfired on the Germans, other than in your own head?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 25, 2020, 05:53:45 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 24, 2020, 09:41:17 PM
Why would the Germans want to make one of their own citizens the perfect patsy in the case of a missing British child wo disappeared in Portugal?  Please explain.
Understand anthros post then you'll maybe understand my reply.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 25, 2020, 06:23:04 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 25, 2020, 05:53:45 AM
Understand anthros post then you'll maybe understand my reply.
Could you please link to Anthro's post please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 25, 2020, 07:14:22 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 25, 2020, 05:53:45 AM
Understand anthros post then you'll maybe understand my reply.
I understand Anthro’s post perfectly but it does not give any hint as to why the Germans would wish to frame one of their own for a crime that happened to a British child in another country so perhaps you could rationalize that for us? 

“patsy
scapegoat. red herring. person accused of a something as a cover for a bigger more elaborate crime.
Oswald was a patsy in the Kennedy assassination”.


So what bigger crime do you think the Germans wish to cover up snd why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 25, 2020, 09:11:17 AM
Quote from: Anthro on November 24, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Brückner has lost his appeal two days ago in Brünswick, in the Diana Menkes rape and torture case in 2005 at Casa Jacaranda in Praia da Luz. He will be in prison until 2026 which potentially give law enforcement ample time to pursue Madeleine’s case. In my opinion. Is this clearer to comprehend?

Law enforcement have plenty of time whether Brueckner is in prison or not.
They don't need him in prison in order to investigate.
IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 25, 2020, 09:11:17 AM
Law enforcement have plenty of time whether Brueckner is in prison or not.
They don't need him in prison in order to investigate.
IMO

While he is in prison he will find it more difficult to contact previous friends to arrange an alibi for the night of the abduction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 25, 2020, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 25, 2020, 09:11:17 AM
Law enforcement have plenty of time whether Brueckner is in prison or not.
They don't need him in prison in order to investigate.
IMO
But at least they know that they are not in a race against time to prevent him committing more crimes. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 25, 2020, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 25, 2020, 09:11:17 AM
Law enforcement have plenty of time whether Brueckner is in prison or not.
They don't need him in prison in order to investigate.
IMO

He might bog off somewhere else.  He seems to be pretty good at that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 25, 2020, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 09:20:54 AM
While he is in prison he will find it more difficult to contact previous friends to arrange an alibi for the night of the abduction

What abduction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 10:06:27 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 09:20:54 AM
While he is in prison he will find it more difficult to contact previous friends to arrange an alibi for the night of the abduction

His 'friends' seem to be busy singing like canaries to the German police and the media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 25, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 10:06:27 AM
His 'friends' seem to be busy singing like canaries to the German police and the media.

Tis amazing how many friends he seems to have had.  I am taking it all with a bucket of salt at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 10:06:27 AM
His 'friends' seem to be busy singing like canaries to the German police and the media.
Precisely..there will be no one to support an alibi...that's part of the German strategy imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 25, 2020, 10:48:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Precisely..there will be no one to support an alibi...that's part of the German strategy imo

With the intense feelings surrounding this case, it will take a very brave person to supply an alibi IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Precisely..there will be no one to support an alibi...that's part of the German strategy imo

The lack of an alibi after all these years has no significance anyway. Not many people could provide one after thirteen years had gone by anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 25, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Precisely..there will be no one to support an alibi...that's part of the German strategy imo

About these German privacy laws you that you have posted about. Could you please provide a link to where you got your information?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: sadie on November 25, 2020, 10:48:23 AM
With the intense feelings surrounding this case, it will take a very brave person to supply an alibi IMO

Are you suggesting they might be intimidated or targeted by someone with strong feelings? Vigilantes?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 11:07:12 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 25, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
About these German privacy laws you that you have posted about. Could you please provide a link to where you got your information?

I was surprised at the utter secrecy in Germany compared to Portugal;

Under German law, there is no general right to access court records in order to inspect and to copy the same. Instead, the written elements of a German civil lawsuit (lawyer’s statements, witness statements, expert opinions etc.) are considered to be a private and confidential matter, what is called “vertraulich” in German.
https://www.germancivilprocedure.com/court-records-in-germany/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 25, 2020, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 11:07:12 AM
I was surprised at the utter secrecy in Germany compared to Portugal;

Under German law, there is no general right to access court records in order to inspect and to copy the same. Instead, the written elements of a German civil lawsuit (lawyer’s statements, witness statements, expert opinions etc.) are considered to be a private and confidential matter, what is called “vertraulich” in German.
https://www.germancivilprocedure.com/court-records-in-germany/

But this isn't Civil Law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 25, 2020, 11:33:55 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 25, 2020, 10:05:22 AM
What abduction?
Haven't you heard of "the abduction"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 25, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 25, 2020, 11:33:55 AM
Haven't you heard of "the abduction"?

Nope.  Spammy is living on a different Planet.  Poor Soul.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on November 25, 2020, 11:41:32 AM
You can't even use Google Streetview in Germany.  If you click on pegman, most roads (in blue) in the rest of Europe are accessible, whereas he's banned in Deutschland...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Germany/@49.0820387,13.2155136,5.29z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x479a721ec2b1be6b:0x75e85d6b8e91e55b!8m2!3d51.165691!4d10.451526 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Germany/@49.0820387,13.2155136,5.29z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x479a721ec2b1be6b:0x75e85d6b8e91e55b!8m2!3d51.165691!4d10.451526)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 11:50:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 10:49:11 AM
The lack of an alibi after all these years has no significance anyway. Not many people could provide one after thirteen years had gone by anyway.

It will be up to the court  to decide.......... if it goes to trial ....not an anonymous poster such as yourself. Your post is opinion and needed an imo

I would say most people in Luz would know exactly where they were that night and the following days..

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 25, 2020, 11:59:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 11:50:59 AM
It will be up to the jury to decide if it goes to trial not an anonymous poster such as yourself. Your post is opinion and needed an imo

I would say most people in Luz would know exactly where they were that night and the following days
I agree.  Anyone who had been at the epicentre of an internationally famous event would have asked themselves what they were doing that night and where exactly they were a propos of the crime scene (unless they are completely switched off or brain dead).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 12:02:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 25, 2020, 11:59:16 AM
I agree.  Anyone who had been at the epicentre of an internationally famous event would have asked themselves what they were doing that night and where exactly they were a propos of the crime scene (unless they are completely switched off or brain dead).

Of course it depends if he is willing to answer questions which could be equally damning for him in court
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 12:08:38 PM
It seems CB had a particular interest in child abuse do it's fairly certain he would have taken a close interest in the disappearance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 25, 2020, 12:10:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 12:02:10 PM
Of course it depends if he is willing to answer questions which could be equally damning for him in court

Which it will be.  No Comment won't wash on this one.  It is tantamount to Guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 25, 2020, 12:13:15 PM
That would depend on the judges. Germany doesn't have juries, I believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 25, 2020, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 25, 2020, 12:13:15 PM
That would depend on the judges. Germany doesn't have juries, I believe.

Has anyone got information on this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 25, 2020, 12:10:29 PM
Which it will be.  No Comment won't wash on this one.  It is tantamount to Guilty.

In the UK courts the jury can take a negative inference if the accused cannot account for his movements on the night of the crime. It could be just  part of the circumstantial evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 12:17:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 25, 2020, 12:13:15 PM
That would depend on the judges. Germany doesn't have juries, I believe.

That's right...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 25, 2020, 12:18:50 PM
https://www.google.com/search?q=juries+in+germany&oq=juries+in+germany&aqs=chrome..69i57.10773j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 25, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 10:49:11 AM
The lack of an alibi after all these years has no significance anyway. Not many people could provide one after thirteen years had gone by anyway.

It isn't everyday one completes the paperwork transferring registered ownership of a vehicle to someone else.  Perhaps he will be able to use the event as an aide-memoire.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 11:50:59 AM
It will be up to the jury to decide if it goes to trial not an anonymous poster such as yourself. Your post is opinion and needed an imo

I would say most people in Luz would know exactly where they were that night and the following days

It will be up to the trial court to decide whether the case goes to trial. The main person is the presiding judge, but there may also be a panel of professional and lay judges. Germany doesn't use juries.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-12520-2_3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lay_judge#Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 01:12:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 01:07:07 PM
It will be up to the trial court to decide whether the case goes to trial. The main person is the presiding judge, but there may also be a panel of professional and lay judges. Germany doesn't use juries.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-12520-2_3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lay_judge#Germany

Im quite aware Germany doesnt use juries....doesnt really change what I said...it will be up to the court to decide what inferences will be drawn...not posters such as yourself on the net
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 01:12:11 PM
Im quite aware Germany doesnt use juries....doesnt really change what I said...it will be up to the court to decide what inferences will be drawn...not posters such as yourself on the net

I'm sorry, it must be my eyes. I was sure you said it would be up to the jury if the case goes to court. Obviously you wouldn't make such a silly mistake!  8**8:/:

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 03:21:12 PM
I'm sorry, it must be my eyes. I was sure you said it would be up to the jury if the case goes to court. Obviously you wouldn't make such a silly mistake!  8**8:/:

In general its up to the Jury..in Germany there is no Jury...the fact of the matter is that lack of an alibi may well be significant. In the Gilroy case the fact that Gilroy could not account for his movements certainly was seen as significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 03:21:12 PM
I'm sorry, it must be my eyes. I was sure you said it would be up to the jury if the case goes to court. Obviously you wouldn't make such a silly mistake!  8**8:/:

Its amazing how even speaking the same language meaning isnt clear. If a  case goes to court it would be up to the Jury(or Judges in Germany) to decide if  a lack of alibi was significant....I would think in this situation it could be highly significant and this is one of the reasons HCW wants to find all CB's friends.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 25, 2020, 03:50:05 PM
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/2140326

Make what you can of this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 25, 2020, 03:50:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 03:21:12 PM
I'm sorry, it must be my eyes. I was sure you said it would be up to the jury if the case goes to court. Obviously you wouldn't make such a silly mistake!  8**8:/:
That looks suspiciously like goading to me...  8**8:/:
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 25, 2020, 03:50:36 PM
That looks suspiciously like goading to me...  8**8:/:

Im not bothered in the slightest
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 25, 2020, 04:09:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 04:01:53 PM
Im not bothered in the slightest
No?  Hypocrisy always bothers me...  8(8-))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 25, 2020, 04:17:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 01:12:11 PM
Im quite aware Germany doesnt use juries....doesnt really change what I said...it will be up to the court to decide what inferences will be drawn...not posters such as yourself on the net
Billie Jean anyone?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 04:18:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 25, 2020, 04:09:54 PM
No?  Hypocrisy always bothers me...  8(8-))

I think its quite entertaining to see such hypocrisy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 25, 2020, 04:24:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 25, 2020, 04:01:53 PM
Im not bothered in the slightest

It has been a world tour around different jurisdictions for us all.  Difficult enough for those of us domicile in these islands to try to understand our own systems, which we probably never could, without trying to take on board very different systems elsewhere.

I think you are to be congratulated for starting to make us think about how German law will apply in regard to legal decisions and procedures applicable to the German courts.  Your efforts are certainly adding to knowledge and raising the level of debate on the forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 25, 2020, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: The General on November 25, 2020, 04:17:48 PM
Billie Jean anyone?
Great tennis player, and like Davel a real King amongst men (and women).  8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 25, 2020, 07:46:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 25, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Nope.  Spammy is living on a different Planet.  Poor Soul.


Seeing has we can talk of others, I seriously doubt except your likers, he gives a feck, me included,  in what you think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 25, 2020, 07:54:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 25, 2020, 07:46:12 PM

Seeing has we can talk of others, I seriously doubt except your likers, he gives a feck, me included,  in what you think.

Does anyone here care what others think of them....Ive always said...mentioning no names....being called a fool by the village idiot isnt really an insult
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 25, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 10:54:54 AM
Are you suggesting they might be intimidated or targeted by someone with strong feelings? Vigilantes?

I think that is entirely possible, but hope it wouldn't happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 25, 2020, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: sadie on November 25, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
I think that is entirely possible, but hope it wouldn't happen.

Anyone partaking in such actions is clearly deranged and should be locked up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 26, 2020, 06:44:21 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 23, 2020, 06:25:01 AM
The forums for me have been an education.   Brietta in particular uses words I never use so I have to look them up.  That is a good day for me to learn a new word.

Me too, but then I forget them again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 26, 2020, 07:00:18 PM
Quote from: sadie on November 26, 2020, 06:44:21 PM
Me too, but then I forget them again
I would be embarrassed to use Brietta's words.   It is not me just yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 12:07:27 AM
The Germans certainly seem to be and have been on a mission as far as Brueckner is concerned.  It is possible that it is part of the eradication of a series of wider ranging events which may be connected or which may have been happening independent of each other.
Whichever ~ there certainly seems to be a huge clean up in progress and law enforcement tenaciously tracking down the perpetrators.

With thanks to Websleuths ~
Abuse complex Münster Five people accused - 25 pages of horrific details
•   11/12/20, 4:40 p.m.
https://mobil.mz-web.de/panorama/mi...lagt---25-seiten-grauenvolle-details-37607854

Raid in North Rhine-Westphalia 80 suspects of child pornography
•   10/01/20, 2:50 p.m.
https://www.mz-web.de/panorama/razzia-in-nrw-80-beschuldigte-wegen-kinderpornographie-unter-verdacht-37424382

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 27, 2020, 07:20:12 AM
https://www.rtl.de/cms/400-neue-hinweise-im-fall-maddie-zeugin-will-christian-b-wiedererkannt-haben-4556129.html
"This is the man I saw"
A British witness claims to have recognized the suspect after a report by the "Sun" on Saturday. He is said to have acted strangely near the McCann family's apartment at the time. The newspaper calls the woman a "credible witness" who is said to have described the man a few hours after the little girl disappeared at the holiday resort in Portugal.

Who would this British witness be?
Ps. The article is also available in English, top left on screen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 08:48:02 AM
Quote from: Anthro on November 27, 2020, 07:20:12 AM
https://www.rtl.de/cms/400-neue-hinweise-im-fall-maddie-zeugin-will-christian-b-wiedererkannt-haben-4556129.html
"This is the man I saw"
A British witness claims to have recognized the suspect after a report by the "Sun" on Saturday. He is said to have acted strangely near the McCann family's apartment at the time. The newspaper calls the woman a "credible witness" who is said to have described the man a few hours after the little girl disappeared at the holiday resort in Portugal.

Who would this British witness be?
Ps. The article is also available in English, top left on screen.
The Ballad of Martin Smith.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 12:07:27 AM
The Germans certainly seem to be and have been on a mission as far as Brueckner is concerned.  It is possible that it is part of the eradication of a series of wider ranging events which may be connected or which may have been happening independent of each other.
Whichever ~ there certainly seems to be a huge clean up in progress and law enforcement tenaciously tracking down the perpetrators.

With thanks to Websleuths ~
Abuse complex Münster Five people accused - 25 pages of horrific details
•   11/12/20, 4:40 p.m.
https://mobil.mz-web.de/panorama/mi...lagt---25-seiten-grauenvolle-details-37607854

Raid in North Rhine-Westphalia 80 suspects of child pornography
•   10/01/20, 2:50 p.m.
https://www.mz-web.de/panorama/razzia-in-nrw-80-beschuldigte-wegen-kinderpornographie-unter-verdacht-37424382


This could be part of the larger invesigation and the reason why CB is not yet being questioned
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 08:52:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 08:49:23 AM

This could be part of the larger invesigation and the reason why CB is not yet being questioned

I think you could be right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 09:22:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 08:49:23 AM

This could be part of the larger invesigation and the reason why CB is not yet being questioned
No, that's not the reason.
The reason is that HCW has been told he doesn't have enough evidence. If these latest smashed paedo rings were in any way related to CB he would have been interviewed to, you know, maybe think about trying to stop the vile abuse of captive children happening RIGHT NOW! Do you really think they would sit on him if they thought he was connected?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 09:40:02 AM
Quote from: The General on November 27, 2020, 09:22:39 AM
No, that's not the reason.
The reason is that HCW has been told he doesn't have enough evidence. If these latest smashed paedo rings were in any way related to CB he would have been interviewed to, you know, maybe think about trying to stop the vile abuse of captive children happening RIGHT NOW! Do you really think they would sit on him if they thought he was connected?

You obviously don't have much idea of what is going on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 27, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 09:40:02 AM
You obviously don't have much idea of what is going on.

Does anyone ?

It's all guess work and speculation unless you happen to be part of the investigation team.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 09:40:02 AM
You obviously don't have much idea of what is going on.
Enlighten me in the spirit of discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 27, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
Does anyone ?

It's all guess work and speculation unless you happen to be part of the investigation team.

Isn't that what we are here for?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 09:50:50 AM
Quote from: The General on November 27, 2020, 09:47:11 AM
Enlighten me in the spirit of discussion.

Read The Thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 09:50:56 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 27, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
Does anyone ?

It's all guess work and speculation unless you happen to be part of the investigation team.
Agreed. It's my opinion that the polizei would not sit on a witness / suspect to play the long game in the middle of dismantling paedo rings, where time is of the essence. They would go to a judge with their evidence of his link re: said paedo rings, arrest him and interview him - hopefully with those jackboots on again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 09:51:25 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 09:50:50 AM
Read The Thread.
The thread I'm contributing to right now?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 09:40:02 AM
You obviously don't have much idea of what is going on.

Let's face it, supporters would delight in someone being arrested for the kidnap and murder of Maddie but that ain't gonna happen imo. It certainly won't be Brueckner that will be their prize patsy whatever happens because they just haven't got anything that can connect him to her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 10:19:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 10:16:37 AM
Let's face it, supporters would delight in someone being arrested for the kidnap and murder of Maddie but that ain't gonna happen imo. It certainly won't be Brueckner that will be their prize patsy whatever happens because they just haven't got anything that can connect him to her.

Has anyone said any different?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 10:45:00 AM
Quote from: Anthro on November 27, 2020, 07:20:12 AM
https://www.rtl.de/cms/400-neue-hinweise-im-fall-maddie-zeugin-will-christian-b-wiedererkannt-haben-4556129.html
"This is the man I saw"
A British witness claims to have recognized the suspect after a report by the "Sun" on Saturday. He is said to have acted strangely near the McCann family's apartment at the time. The newspaper calls the woman a "credible witness" who is said to have described the man a few hours after the little girl disappeared at the holiday resort in Portugal.

Who would this British witness be?
Ps. The article is also available in English, top left on screen.

An article from June this year, referring to a story in the Sun, which was trying to connect sightings to CB. The woman was Carole Tranmer, but why would CB be emerging from the Oldfield's garden gate during the afternoon of 3rd May?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11795972/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b-is-man/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 10:16:37 AM
Let's face it, supporters would delight in someone being arrested for the kidnap and murder of Maddie but that ain't gonna happen imo. It certainly won't be Brueckner that will be their prize patsy whatever happens because they just haven't got anything that can connect him to her.

Let's hope you are right and that Maddie wasn't abducted by a paedophile
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 11:18:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 10:57:17 AM
Let's hope you are right and that Maddie wasn't abducted by a paedophile
There's plenty of conspiracy theorists here who believe that actually happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: The General on November 27, 2020, 11:18:48 AM
There's plenty of conspiracy theorists here who believe that actually happened.

You obviously don't understand what a conspiracy theory is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 27, 2020, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 11:20:10 AM
You obviously don't understand what a conspiracy theory is
Well tell us, please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 10:57:17 AM
Let's hope you are right and that Maddie wasn't abducted by a paedophile

Isn't that what the child's parents claimed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 11:36:47 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 27, 2020, 11:23:45 AM
Well tell us, please.
Well said Rob.

Wikipedia: A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation,[2][3] when other explanations are more probable.[4][5] The term has a negative connotation, implying that the appeal to a conspiracy is based on prejudice or insufficient evidence.[6]
Davel, one of the more forthright, genial and erudite members of the UK Justice Forum, believes another member, The General, (the forum agent provocateur, incorrigible raconteur and military strategist) does not fully understand what the term actually means.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 11:37:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
Isn't that what the child's parents claimed?

If it was done then it was done.  It's a long time ago now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 11:38:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
Isn't that what the child's parents claimed?
Yes, but I think they believe a different paedophile was responsible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 11:40:17 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 27, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
Does anyone ?

It's all guess work and speculation unless you happen to be part of the investigation team.

It is not guesswork or speculation that from one end of the planet to another, civilised countries have found it necessary to spend time and resources tracking and closing down organised paedophile and trafficking rings.

Unfortunately it is an arduous task which can take years. 
To have any chance of success the children have to be identified as does any adult seen with them.  They then have to be traced.  Common sense dictates this is a long drawn out process and the paltry success rate in doing that is testimony to the fact it is no small task.
I believe only a small percentage of these children are ever traced.  It is an international as well as a local criminal activity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: The General on November 27, 2020, 11:36:47 AM
Well said Rob.

Wikipedia: A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation,[2][3] when other explanations are more probable.[4][5] The term has a negative connotation, implying that the appeal to a conspiracy is based on prejudice or insufficient evidence.[6]
Davel, one of the more forthright, genial and erudite members of the UK Justice Forum, believes another member, The General, (the forum agent provocateur, incorrigible raconteur and military strategist) does not fully understand what the term actually means.
So the conspiracy theory would be that Maddie died in an accident..not that she was abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 11:41:13 AM
So the conspiracy theory would be that Maddie died in an accident..not that she was abducted.
Is that a question or a statement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 11:51:25 AM
I've been glancing through Synott et al.  Well worth a refresher.  And am mindful that a tool in the box is "deflection".

Nice bit of deflection going on here. Anyone recall Brueckner ... the subject of the thread?  I think we should meander back On Topic.  Thanks
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 11:51:25 AM
I've been glancing through Synott et al.  Well worth a refresher.  And am mindful that a tool in the box is "deflection".

Nice bit of deflection going on here. Anyone recall Brueckner ... the subject of the thread?  I think we should meander back On Topic.  Thanks
Who are you talking to? There's only 3 of us here. Was it that unruly?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 11:51:25 AM
I've been glancing through Synott et al.  Well worth a refresher.  And am mindful that a tool in the box is "deflection".

Nice bit of deflection going on here. Anyone recall Brueckner ... the subject of the thread?  I think we should meander back On Topic.  Thanks

Brueckner is certainly a nasty piece of work, a rapist and a paedophile for starters but nobody has found anything that connects him to Maddie. A boast to a fellow gangster is hardly evidence of anything really.

Mystery man Smithman has always been the key for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 12:07:54 PM
Quote from: The General on November 27, 2020, 11:41:57 AM
Is that a question or a statement?
Try running it through enigma
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 12:08:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 12:07:33 PM
Brueckner is certainly a nasty piece of work, a rapist and a paedophile for starters but nobody has found anything that connects him to Maddie. A boast to a fellow gangster is hardly evidence of anything really.

Depends what Wolters has..in the last two months 105 paedophiles arrested in Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 12:08:54 PM
Depends what Wolters has..in the last two months 105 paedophiles arrested in Germany
Speaks volumes that it's not 106.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 27, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 12:07:33 PM
Brueckner is certainly a nasty piece of work, a rapist and a paedophile for starters but nobody has found anything that connects him to Maddie. A boast to a fellow gangster is hardly evidence of anything really.

Mystery man Smithman has always been the key for me.
How do you know this, out of interest?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 27, 2020, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 10:16:37 AM
Let's face it, supporters would delight in someone being arrested for the kidnap and murder of Maddie but that ain't gonna happen imo. It certainly won't be Brueckner that will be their prize patsy whatever happens because they just haven't got anything that can connect him to her.
This post is clearly an attempt to goad supporters, poor show Angelo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 12:53:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 27, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
How do you know this, out of interest?

Because we would all know about it by now if the past is anything to go by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 27, 2020, 12:44:52 PM
This post is clearly an attempt to goad supporters, poor show Angelo.
Oh dry your eyes Verti
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 12:57:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 12:07:33 PM
Brueckner is certainly a nasty piece of work, a rapist and a paedophile for starters but nobody has found anything that connects him to Maddie. A boast to a fellow gangster is hardly evidence of anything really.

Mystery man Smithman has always been the key for me.

I'm more interested in what Wolters has...and understand why he hasn't done anything re CB yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 01:08:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 27, 2020, 12:44:52 PM
This post is clearly an attempt to goad supporters, poor show Angelo.

Doesn't really matter...I'm sure Wolters has concrete evidence Maddie was abducted and it's only a matter of time before it's released
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 01:08:24 PM
Doesn't really matter...I'm sure Wolters has concrete evidence Maddie was abducted and it's only a matter of time before it's released

I wouldn't hold your breath. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 01:16:05 PM
I wouldn't hold your breath. 😂😂😂

I'm quite confident
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 27, 2020, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 01:08:24 PM
Doesn't really matter...I'm sure Wolters has concrete evidence Maddie was abducted and it's only a matter of time before it's released

Tick tock  tick tock
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 12:08:54 PM
Depends what Wolters has..in the last two months 105 paedophiles arrested in Germany

Where did that figure come from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 27, 2020, 01:29:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 12:54:12 PM
Oh dry your eyes Verti
More goading.  I take it this now acceptable forum behaviour and that I won't get any more warnings for goading?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 27, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 12:53:23 PM
Because we would all know about it by now if the past is anything to go by.
poor logic imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 27, 2020, 01:35:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 01:08:24 PM
Doesn't really matter...I'm sure Wolters has concrete evidence Maddie was abducted and it's only a matter of time before it's released

SY have had the abduction evidence for the past 7 years, & the only evidence they've released in that time are some  e-fits of Gerry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 01:41:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 01:27:24 PM
Where did that figure come from?

Briettas post this morning...two paedophile networks...could well be related to CB

This is interesting too

serious abuse in recent years. Six months ago, the police first cracked a laptop belonging to the main defendant from Münster and then gradually uncovered an ever-growing case - the end of the investigation is not yet in sight.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 02:31:28 PM

I don't understand why so many people expect to be told of what is going on.

I know that The PJ leaked like a sieve, but I doubt that this will happen in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 02:31:28 PM
I don't understand why so many people expect to be told of what is going on.

I know that The PJ leaked like a sieve, but I doubt that this will happen in Germany.

 @)(++(*       you have to have something to leak in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 01:41:16 PM
Briettas post this morning...two paedophile networks...could well be related to CB

This is interesting too

serious abuse in recent years. Six months ago, the police first cracked a laptop belonging to the main defendant from Münster and then gradually uncovered an ever-growing case - the end of the investigation is not yet in sight.

So you think 105 paedophiles have been arrested in the last two months? That's not what Brietta's post said.

One of the links relates to January 2020, and says "Investigators have searched apartments and houses in North Rhine-Westphalia against 80 suspects on suspicion of possession and distribution of child pornography."

Many suspects, but no arrests mentioned.

The other link relates to 5 people being put on trial in Munster, a town I recall as we lived in Dulmen, just 30km away.

This all seems to be part of an investigation which has been in progress since at least 2018;

The starting point was a preliminary investigation against unknown persons from 2018.

At that time, an unknown person had offered files containing child pornography via the Internet. In the course of extensive investigations, an initial suspicion was established against the accused from Münster in April 2019.
https://www.report-k.de/Panorama/NRW-Nachrichten/Polizei-Muenster-Elf-Festnahmen-bei-Paedophilen-Ring-131266

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 27, 2020, 01:35:16 PM
SY have had the abduction evidence for the past 7 years, & the only evidence they've released in that time are some  e-fits of Gerry.

Those being the e-fits of Smithman which the McCanns held back because of the likeness to Gerry.  Hmmm...

(https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/793000/madeleine-mccann-tour-praia-da-luz-maddie-portugal-missing-930793.jpg)


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 03:00:25 PM
@)(++(*       you have to have something to leak in the first place.

And you don't have to leak if you have got something.

The PJ were the best example of how not to handle this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 03:05:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 03:00:44 PM
So you think 105 paedophiles have been arrested in the last two months? That's not what Brietta's post said.

One of the links relates to January 2020, and says "Investigators have searched apartments and houses in North Rhine-Westphalia against 80 suspects on suspicion of possession and distribution of child pornography."

Many suspects, but no arrests mentioned.

The other link relates to 5 people being put on trial in Munster, a town I recall as we lived in Dulmen, just 30km away.

This all seems to be part of an investigation which has been in progress since at least 2018;

The starting point was a preliminary investigation against unknown persons from 2018.

At that time, an unknown person had offered files containing child pornography via the Internet. In the course of extensive investigations, an initial suspicion was established against the accused from Münster in April 2019.
https://www.report-k.de/Panorama/NRW-Nachrichten/Polizei-Muenster-Elf-Festnahmen-bei-Paedophilen-Ring-131266

Judging by the other date..11/12/20..
10/01/20 is the first of October....

2018 would tie in with the investigation into CB and fits perfectly with what I think is going on
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 03:08:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
Those being the e-fits of Smithman which the McCanns held back because of the likeness to Gerry.  Hmmm...

(https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/793000/madeleine-mccann-tour-praia-da-luz-maddie-portugal-missing-930793.jpg)


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html

This comment is little short of Libel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 02:31:28 PM
I don't understand why so many people expect to be told of what is going on.

I know that The PJ leaked like a sieve, but I doubt that this will happen in Germany.

What we know is that the PJ allegedly leaked like a sieve. In my experience the German people as a whole, not just the police, tend to be reserved. In my opinion that's not surprising given their history.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 03:12:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 03:05:38 PM
Judging by the other date..11/12/20..
10/01/20 is the first of October....

2018 would tie in with the investigation into CB

Still no sign of 105 arrests.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 03:09:13 PM
What we know is that the PJ allegedly leaked like a sieve. In my experience the German people as a whole, not just the police, tend to be reserved. In my opinion that's not surprising given their history.

"Allegedly Leaked."  Now that is funny.

And I don't think we need to go into the History of Germany.  That could be seen as Racist.  So let's have no more of that.  Certainly not in this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 03:15:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 03:12:17 PM
Still no sign of 105 arrests.

I expect that they have all bogged off to Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 27, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 03:15:47 PM
I expect that they have all bogged off to Portugal.
So the German Police have allowed >105 paedophiles to escape? Unreal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 03:12:17 PM
Still no sign of 105 arrests.
But confirmation of a wide ranging paedophile investigation....that fits my understanding of events perfectly. In fact although I make no claim to be psychic I predicted it a month or two ago...I'm doing better than William
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: The General on November 27, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
So the German Police have allowed >105 paedophiles to escape? Unreal.

Open Borders.  Try stopping them.  Especially that many.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 03:19:44 PM
Quote from: The General on November 27, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
So the German Police have allowed >105 paedophiles to escape? Unreal.

As I said I did predict this a couple of months ago...so with the Eiffel tower prediction I'm doing well on the psychic front
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 27, 2020, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
Those being the e-fits of Smithman which the McCanns held back because of the likeness to Gerry.  Hmmm...

(https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/793000/madeleine-mccann-tour-praia-da-luz-maddie-portugal-missing-930793.jpg)


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html
judging from your post anyone would think you believed Gerry was Smithman.  Do you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 27, 2020, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 27, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
Those being the e-fits of Smithman which the McCanns held back because of the likeness to Gerry.  Hmmm...

(https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/793000/madeleine-mccann-tour-praia-da-luz-maddie-portugal-missing-930793.jpg)


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html

The McCann's did not hold back the e fits,  if you remember they sued the paper that said they did.   Everything was given to the PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 27, 2020, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 03:08:57 PM
This comment is little short of Libel.

It is Libel they didn't keep the e fits back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 04:37:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 27, 2020, 03:19:44 PM
As I said I did predict this a couple of months ago...so with the Eiffel tower prediction I'm doing well on the psychic front

Your factual pronouncements aren't going very well. The Germans HAVE NOT arrested 105 paedophiles in the last two months.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 04:53:46 PM
Quote from: Lace on November 27, 2020, 03:51:24 PM
The McCann's did not hold back the e fits,  if you remember they sued the paper that said they did.   Everything was given to the PJ.
Sunday Times sued by McCanns over story which wrongly claimed evidence was withheld from police

The Sunday Times published the following apology on 28 December:

In articles dated October 27 ("Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years" and "Investigators had E-Fits five years ago", News) we referred to efits which were included in a report prepared by private investigators for the McCanns and the Fund in 2008. We accept that the articles may have been understood to suggest that the McCanns had withheld information from the authorities. This was not the case. We now understand and accept that the efits had been provided to the Portuguese and Leicestershire police by October 2009. We also understand that a copy of the final report including the efits was passed to the Metropolitan police in August 2011, shortly after it commenced its review. We apologise for the distress caused." http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sunday-times-sued-mccanns-over-story-which-wrongly-claimed-evidence-was-withheld-police

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5267.msg187263#msg187263
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 04:53:46 PM
Sunday Times sued by McCanns over story which wrongly claimed evidence was withheld from police

The Sunday Times published the following apology on 28 December:

In articles dated October 27 ("Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years" and "Investigators had E-Fits five years ago", News) we referred to efits which were included in a report prepared by private investigators for the McCanns and the Fund in 2008. We accept that the articles may have been understood to suggest that the McCanns had withheld information from the authorities. This was not the case. We now understand and accept that the efits had been provided to the Portuguese and Leicestershire police by October 2009. We also understand that a copy of the final report including the efits was passed to the Metropolitan police in August 2011, shortly after it commenced its review. We apologise for the distress caused." http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sunday-times-sued-mccanns-over-story-which-wrongly-claimed-evidence-was-withheld-police

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5267.msg187263#msg187263

Another one of those Unproven Rumours Debunked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 05:07:40 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
"Allegedly Leaked."  Now that is funny.

And I don't think we need to go into the History of Germany.  That could be seen as Racist.  So let's have no more of that.  Certainly not in this case.

I don't understand the logic of suggesting that discussion of Germany's history has any connection to racism. It certainly hasn't stopped discussion of Portugal's history.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 05:21:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 05:07:40 PM
I don't understand the logic of suggesting that discussion of Germany's history has any connection to racism. It certainly hasn't stopped discussion of Portugal's history.

Then you need to think about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 27, 2020, 05:26:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 04:37:27 PM
Your factual pronouncements aren't going very well. The Germans HAVE NOT arrested 105 paedophiles in the last two months.
They have arrested at least 11 though who were part of an organised paedophile ring with many more likely as there are over 30000 suspects, 70 of whom have been identified.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 04:37:27 PM
Your factual pronouncements aren't going very well. The Germans HAVE NOT arrested 105 paedophiles in the last two months.

I believe you might be blinkered in your approach to the reality of the worldwide internet porn fest occurring and the endeavours of law enforcement as they fight the battles on behalf of the children as best they are able.

It is my opinion that the Germans have only scraped the surface in their investigations and I believe there will be many, many more arrests and prosecutions.  All as a result of the ongoing work which continues and will continue for as long as there is evil in the hearts of perpetrators and the will of law enforcement to protect children.

Brueckner may or may not figure in any of these particular investigations but apparently it is a world in which children were and are abused and one in which he was very comfortable.

I think Davel's posts illustrate he has a better understanding of the implications of this unfolding situation in Germany while your posts tend to evidence you are missing the point.


Germany investigates 30,000 suspects in paedophile probe
Germany’s North Rhine-Westphalia state probes 30,000 people who shared ‘child and youth pornographic content’ online.

29 Jun 2020
Germany is investigating about 30,000 suspects as part of a widening probe into a paedophile network in the western Bergisch Gladbach region, according to authorities.

The cybercrime unit in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia is “investigating 30,000 unknown suspects” in the case, the justice ministry for Germany’s most populous state said on Monday.

“We want to drag perpetrators and supporters of child abuse out of the anonymity of the internet,” the ministry said on Twitter.

Those being investigated are suspected of sharing “child and youth pornographic content” including “fictitious and/or real acts of abuse” in anonymous online discussion forums and chat groups, the cybercrime unit ZAC NRW said in a statement.

“I did not expect, not even remotely, the extent of child abuse on the internet,” North Rhine-Westphalia’s Justice Minister Peter Beisenbach told reporters.

What the investigation team had uncovered was “deeply disturbing”, he said. “We must recognise that child abuse on the internet is more widespread than we had previously thought.”

The abuse investigations began last October with the arrest of a suspected perpetrator in Bergisch Gladbach, near Cologne.

To date, about 70 suspects have been identified throughout Germany.

In May, the first offender – a 27-year-old soldier – was sentenced to 10 years in prison and placed in a psychiatric hospital for an indefinite period.

Germany has had several serious cases of child sex abuse during the past 18 months.

In early June, 11 people were arrested on suspicion of sexually abusing children and filming their actions after videos and photos were seized from the cellar of a 27-year-old man from the western city of Muenster, also in North Rhine-Westphalia state.

Investigators said they had identified at least three victims, aged five, 10 and 12.

In an earlier scandal in Luegde, 125km (80 miles) from Muenster, several men abused children several hundred times at a campsite over a period of several years.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/29/germany-investigates-30000-suspects-in-paedophile-probe
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 05:39:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 27, 2020, 05:26:06 PM
They have arrested at least 11 though who were part of an organised paedophile ring with many more likely as there are over 30000 suspects, 70 of whom have been identified.

I wondered at the particular perversion of filming the ordeal Brueckner inflicted on his American victim in 2005; now it is all becoming crystal clear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 04:37:27 PM
Your factual pronouncements aren't going very well. The Germans HAVE NOT arrested 105 paedophiles in the last two months.
Neither are yours...you misunderstood the date.

The point is there is a large paedophile investigation that has been going on for the past two years... pretty well the same time Wolters has been investigating CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2020, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 05:39:05 PM
I wondered at the particular perversion of filming the ordeal Brueckner inflicted on his American victim in 2005; now it is all becoming crystal clear.

That's where the money would be. I suggested there may well be a large scale paedophile investigation in Germany a month or two ago. It seems that's just what was happening
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 27, 2020, 05:21:29 PM
Then you need to think about it.

No I don't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 07:15:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 27, 2020, 05:26:06 PM
They have arrested at least 11 though who were part of an organised paedophile ring with many more likely as there are over 30000 suspects, 70 of whom have been identified.

Very interesting and informative; thank you. It doesn't make the post I objected to true though, does it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 27, 2020, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 07:15:48 PM
Very interesting and informative; thank you. It doesn't make the post I objected to true though, does it?
It doesn’t make it entirely false either.  Tell me, does the number of arrested paedophiles alter the point being made?  If it’s only 10 or 15 instead of 100 does that make it less significant as far as an investigation into a child sex ring involving 30000 German paedophiles (one of whom may possibly be CB) or are you just seizing upon this as an opportunity to score a point over Davel?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 28, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 27, 2020, 07:15:48 PM
Very interesting and informative; thank you. It doesn't make the post I objected to true though, does it?

What's true is that there is currently a large investigation into an organised paedophile ring in Germany that is ongoing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 28, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 27, 2020, 03:30:01 PM
judging from your post anyone would think you believed Gerry was Smithman.  Do you?

Certainly not unless you believe someone can be in two places at the same time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 28, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: Lace on November 27, 2020, 03:51:24 PM
The McCann's did not hold back the e fits,  if you remember they sued the paper that said they did.   Everything was given to the PJ.

Oh but they were, just not as long as the media claimed though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 28, 2020, 10:36:46 AM
Quote from: Lace on November 27, 2020, 03:54:19 PM
It is Libel they didn't keep the e fits back.

They were held back. They were not given to the police until much later.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 28, 2020, 10:38:20 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 27, 2020, 04:53:46 PM
Sunday Times sued by McCanns over story which wrongly claimed evidence was withheld from police

The Sunday Times published the following apology on 28 December:

In articles dated October 27 ("Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years" and "Investigators had E-Fits five years ago", News) we referred to efits which were included in a report prepared by private investigators for the McCanns and the Fund in 2008. We accept that the articles may have been understood to suggest that the McCanns had withheld information from the authorities. This was not the case. We now understand and accept that the efits had been provided to the Portuguese and Leicestershire police by October 2009. We also understand that a copy of the final report including the efits was passed to the Metropolitan police in August 2011, shortly after it commenced its review. We apologise for the distress caused." http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sunday-times-sued-mccanns-over-story-which-wrongly-claimed-evidence-was-withheld-police

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5267.msg187263#msg187263

So they held them back a year, that was nice.  Your daughter disappears, possibly abducted, and a group of people see a man carrying a young girl fitting the description of your missing child.  You commission e-fits of this man but in your wisdom decide to sit on them for a whole year.  Not exactly normal was it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 28, 2020, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 28, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
What's true is that there is currently a large investigation into an organised paedophile ring in Germany that is ongoing
They're not all in Portugal then.Rhetorical of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 28, 2020, 11:21:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 28, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
What's true is that there is currently a large investigation into an organised paedophile ring in Germany that is ongoing

Indeed. A horrific story which needs no exaggeration. Whether it has anything to do with the McCann case isn't known.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 28, 2020, 11:22:33 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 28, 2020, 10:38:20 AM
So they held them back a year, that was nice.  Your daughter disappears, possibly abducted, and a group of people see a man carrying a young girl fitting the description of your missing child.  You commission e-fits of this man but in your wisdom decide to sit on them for a whole year.  Not exactly normal was it?

I think it is abnormal for the parents of a missing child to be in the situation of having to fundraise to pay for private detectives to look for her because the police weren't doing that.

Madeleine's case was archived in Portugal and the Met did not take up the reins until 2011.  In the interim the only people who had kept the investigation going from 2008 until 2011 were Madeleine's parents using the money from Madeleine's fund and wellwishers to sustain that.

Private detectives got this information while the police of two sovereign nations sat on their backsides studiously ignoring Madeleine while her parents were doing their job for them.  Why were they doing that?  Why weren't they chasing down the information that the Smiths were unable to give them back in 2007 as confirmed in the police files?

The whole dubious episode centering on an outfit run by a very dubious individual who if I remember rightly managed to pull the wool over the eyes of the FBI let alone his own business partners was disgracefully leapt on to further berate the McCanns in their efforts for Madeleine.

The apology forced out from the Times resulting from legal action shows precisely how spurious that was ~ along with the rest of the lies thrown at this couple as they search for their daughter.  All of which have been systematically debunked when subject to scrutiny.

The greatest debunker of all being the action of the German prosecutors in naming Brueckner as their prime suspect.

Unbelievable how many are not best pleased at that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 28, 2020, 11:23:15 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 28, 2020, 11:21:37 AM
Indeed. A horrific story which needs no exaggeration. Whether it has anything to do with the McCann case isn't known.
Agreed ..but I did say a month or two ago that this is exactly what is happening...we shall see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 28, 2020, 11:32:34 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 28, 2020, 11:22:33 AM
I think it is abnormal for the parents of a missing child to be in the situation of having to fundraise to pay for private detectives to look for her because the police weren't doing that.

Madeleine's case was archived in Portugal and the Met did not take up the reins until 2011.  In the interim the only people who had kept the investigation going from 2008 until 2011 were Madeleine's parents using the money from Madeleine's fund and wellwishers to sustain that.

Private detectives got this information while the police of two sovereign nations sat on their backsides studiously ignoring Madeleine while her parents were doing their job for them.  Why were they doing that?  Why weren't they chasing down the information that the Smiths were unable to give them back in 2007 as confirmed in the police files?

The whole dubious episode centering on an outfit run by a very dubious individual who if I remember rightly managed to pull the wool over the eyes of the FBI let alone his own business partners was disgracefully leapt on to further berate the McCanns in their efforts for Madeleine.

The apology forced out from the Times resulting from legal action shows precisely how spurious that was ~ along with the rest of the lies thrown at this couple as they search for their daughter.  All of which have been systematically debunked when subject to scrutiny.

The greatest debunker of all being the action of the German prosecutors in naming Brueckner as their prime suspect.

Unbelievable how many are not best pleased at that.

I seem to remember that the actual Agency withheld the drawings because they hadn't been paid by The Crook, although his name escapes me for a moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 28, 2020, 11:43:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 28, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
Certainly not unless you believe someone can be in two places at the same time?
So what was the point of your post then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 28, 2020, 11:46:37 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 28, 2020, 10:47:22 AM
They're not all in Portugal then.Rhetorical of course.

Apparently there was a holiday home connection in the Munster case, but in Spain, not Portugal;

According to investigators, attacks occurred while traveling to Mallorca or Sylt. Sometimes they met in their own apartments, sometimes in holiday apartments.
https://www.mz-web.de/panorama/missbrauchskomplex-muenster-fuenf-personen-angeklagt---25-seiten-grauenvolle-details-37607854?originalReferrer=http://miscarriageofjustice.co/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 28, 2020, 11:54:43 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 28, 2020, 11:22:33 AM
I think it is abnormal for the parents of a missing child to be in the situation of having to fundraise to pay for private detectives to look for her because the police weren't doing that.

Madeleine's case was archived in Portugal and the Met did not take up the reins until 2011.  In the interim the only people who had kept the investigation going from 2008 until 2011 were Madeleine's parents using the money from Madeleine's fund and wellwishers to sustain that.

Private detectives got this information while the police of two sovereign nations sat on their backsides studiously ignoring Madeleine while her parents were doing their job for them.  Why were they doing that?  Why weren't they chasing down the information that the Smiths were unable to give them back in 2007 as confirmed in the police files?

The whole dubious episode centering on an outfit run by a very dubious individual who if I remember rightly managed to pull the wool over the eyes of the FBI let alone his own business partners was disgracefully leapt on to further berate the McCanns in their efforts for Madeleine.

The apology forced out from the Times resulting from legal action shows precisely how spurious that was ~ along with the rest of the lies thrown at this couple as they search for their daughter.  All of which have been systematically debunked when subject to scrutiny.

The greatest debunker of all being the action of the German prosecutors in naming Brueckner as their prime suspect.

Unbelievable how many are not best pleased at that.

Lest we forget that the parent’s own private detectives implored the parents to spend money investigating Smithman rather than Tannerman, a professional opinion the parents studiously ignored.

Lest we forget also that the report compiled by those very same investigators, one which heavily criticised the parents and their friends, was only supplied to OG when they specifically requested it. It was not supplied willingly.

Lest we forget also the debacle that was Beckhamgate.

And further, lest we forget, Edgar, the parent’s  longest serving private detective, admitted in a Lisbon court that he hadn’t had full access to the released Portuguese police files while employed by the parents.

It’s amazing when you cut out all the hyperbole how the picture changes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 28, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 28, 2020, 11:54:43 AM
Lest we forget that the parent’s own private detectives implored the parents to spend money investigating Smithman rather than Tannerman, a professional opinion the parents studiously ignored.

Lest we forget also that the report compiled by those very same investigators, one which heavily criticised the parents and their friends, was only supplied to OG when they specifically requested it. It was not supplied willingly.

Lest we forget also the debacle that was Beckhamgate.

And further, lest we forget, Edgar, the parent’s  longest serving private detective, admitted in a Lisbon court that he hadn’t had full access to the released Portuguese police files while employed by the parents.

It’s amazing when you cut out all the hyperbole how the picture changes.

Glossing over the details has tended to be a feature of this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 28, 2020, 12:59:22 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 28, 2020, 11:54:43 AM
Lest we forget that the parent’s own private detectives implored the parents to spend money investigating Smithman rather than Tannerman, a professional opinion the parents studiously ignored.

Lest we forget also that the report compiled by those very same investigators, one which heavily criticised the parents and their friends, was only supplied to OG when they specifically requested it. It was not supplied willingly.

Lest we forget also the debacle that was Beckhamgate.

And further, lest we forget, Edgar, the parent’s  longest serving private detective, admitted in a Lisbon court that he hadn’t had full access to the released Portuguese police files while employed by the parents.

It’s amazing when you cut out all the hyperbole how the picture changes.

Yes and it was Kate McCann's refusal to cooperate with the original investigation and the refusal of the English police to provide requested information to it which brought the archive about.

Let's please direct the blame where it belongs and not try to scapegoat the Portuguese police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 28, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 28, 2020, 12:59:22 PM
Yes and it was Kate McCann's refusal to cooperate with the original investigation and the refusal of the English police to provide requested information to it which brought the archive about.

Let's please direct the blame where it belongs and not try to scapegoat the Portuguese police.

Judas the Goat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 28, 2020, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 28, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
Judas the Goat.

If by some miracle Maddie is ever found alive, her parents will have much to answer for imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 28, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on November 28, 2020, 12:59:22 PM
Yes and it was Kate McCann's refusal to cooperate with the original investigation and the refusal of the English police to provide requested information to it which brought the archive about.

Let's please direct the blame where it belongs and not try to scapegoat the Portuguese police.
Given that it is your firm belief that Madeleine woke and wandered as was taken by persons unknown perhaps you can explain how Kate's failure to answer questions hampered the investigation?  Just give me one for instance please.  While you're at it perhaps you can also explain how Gerry's co-operation in answering all the questions provided signifcant information to the police in aiding the solving of the mystery.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 28, 2020, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 28, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
Glossing over the details has tended to be a feature of this case.
As has been a tendency to be wholly sucked in by virulent anti McCann propaganda.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 28, 2020, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 28, 2020, 01:41:03 PM
As has been a tendency to be wholly sucked in by virulent anti McCann propaganda.

By pointing out the inconsistencies in the pro McCann propaganda? According to a witness he had to sign a secrecy clause which prevented him from handing his evidence to Op Grange without the permission of Madeleine's Fund. This was never denied.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 28, 2020, 08:56:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 28, 2020, 08:51:26 PM
By pointing out the inconsistencies in the pro McCann propaganda? According to a witness he had to sign a secrecy clause which prevented him from handing his evidence to Op Grange without the permission of Madeleine's Fund. This was never denied.

I think thats total BS...do yoiu have  a reliable cite....even the beckhams cleaners have to sign non disclosure agreements
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 28, 2020, 08:57:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 28, 2020, 08:51:26 PM
By pointing out the inconsistencies in the pro McCann propaganda? According to a witness he had to sign a secrecy clause which prevented him from handing his evidence to Op Grange without the permission of Madeleine's Fund. This was never denied.

He appeared to be more interested in getting paid.  And who can blame him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 28, 2020, 09:01:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 28, 2020, 08:51:26 PM
By pointing out the inconsistencies in the pro McCann propaganda? According to a witness he had to sign a secrecy clause which prevented him from handing his evidence to Op Grange without the permission of Madeleine's Fund. This was never denied.

inconsistencies in translations imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 28, 2020, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 28, 2020, 08:51:26 PM
By pointing out the inconsistencies in the pro McCann propaganda? According to a witness he had to sign a secrecy clause which prevented him from handing his evidence to Op Grange without the permission of Madeleine's Fund. This was never denied.
Aha!  So you Accept Everything Believe Anyone and Confirm nothing so long as it chimes with your own bias.  I seeeee....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 29, 2020, 12:17:42 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 28, 2020, 08:57:43 PM
He appeared to be more interested in getting paid.  And who can blame him

Do you think the Fund paid him, already having settled up with his slippery employer?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 29, 2020, 12:21:58 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 29, 2020, 12:17:42 AM
Do you think the Fund paid him, already having settled up with his slippery employer?

I don't know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 29, 2020, 02:24:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 29, 2020, 12:17:42 AM
Do you think the Fund paid him, already having settled up with his slippery employer?

It is past history and bears no relevance to anything other than being a vehicle for sceptics to get the boot into Madeleine McCann's parents.

It is particularly irrelevant as far as Madeleine's case is concerned ~ and is mere deflection from present facts.  It may be comforting to ignore that the McCann hating industry has had its day.  But it is harder to ignore just exactly how ridiculous and distasteful it always has been as the dilemma since Amaral's initial podcast, forcing preferences between innocent parents and a depraved paedophile appear to favour the latter.

I appreciate why having built up a huge castle made of sand over the past thirteen+ years there is a reluctance for some to move forward with current events as far as Madeleine's investigation is concerned.  But there is a new and entirely credible suspect in the frame.
Ignoring the fact just doesn't make him go away.  He is going to be around for quite some time giving the German police as much time as they could possibly need either to eliminate him from the inquiry or to press charges.

At the moment there is obviously enough evidence for the Germans to have declared him prime suspect and who is to say there won't be more evidence against him as horrific crimes are presently being uncovered and investigated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 29, 2020, 02:44:54 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 29, 2020, 12:17:42 AM
Do you think the Fund paid him, already having settled up with his slippery employer?

Why do you suggest Madeleine's Fund gave anything at all to Halligan (that should be Exton)?  I think it highly unlikely given your interest in all aspects of Madeleine's case that you don't have an inkling of exactly who lifted the tab.

The name Brian Kennedy ring any bells? or don't tell me Enid O'Dowd missed a whopping great lump of expenditure?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 29, 2020, 11:17:20 AM

I understand that The McCanns paid Halligen a lot of money.  Halligen didn't pay the people that he employed who won't have been too keen to release anything since they didn't know where they stood legally.

This will have held things up somewhat.  So just another opportunity to blame The McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 29, 2020, 02:24:38 AM
It is past history and bears no relevance to anything other than being a vehicle for sceptics to get the boot into Madeleine McCann's parents.

It is particularly irrelevant as far as Madeleine's case is concerned ~ and is mere deflection from present facts.  It may be comforting to ignore that the McCann hating industry has had its day.  But it is harder to ignore just exactly how ridiculous and distasteful it always has been as the dilemma since Amaral's initial podcast, forcing preferences between innocent parents and a depraved paedophile appear to favour the latter.

I appreciate why having built up a huge castle made of sand over the past thirteen+ years there is a reluctance for some to move forward with current events as far as Madeleine's investigation is concerned.  But there is a new and entirely credible suspect in the frame.
Ignoring the fact just doesn't make him go away.  He is going to be around for quite some time giving the German police as much time as they could possibly need either to eliminate him from the inquiry or to press charges.

At the moment there is obviously enough evidence for the Germans to have declared him prime suspect and who is to say there won't be more evidence against him as horrific crimes are presently being uncovered and investigated.

The same German prosecutor has claimed the Portuguese investigation still has the parents in their sights so who knows what is the truth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 29, 2020, 02:23:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 02:17:16 PM
The same German prosecutor has claimed the Portuguese investigation still has the parents in their sights so who knows what is the truth.

is tahta ccording to a newspaper report..lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 29, 2020, 02:23:58 PM
is tahta ccording to a newspaper report..lol

Pardon ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 29, 2020, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 29, 2020, 02:23:58 PM
is tahta ccording to a newspaper report..lol

Very possibly.
However some newspaper reports seem to be much more acceptable than others.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 05:10:00 PM
Quote from: Erngath on November 29, 2020, 04:40:55 PM
Very possibly.
However some newspaper reports seem to be much more acceptable than others.

And here you are again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 29, 2020, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: Erngath on November 29, 2020, 04:40:55 PM
Very possibly.
However some newspaper reports seem to be much more acceptable than others.

Of course they are. I mean, who would believe anything they read in the Express ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 29, 2020, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 05:10:00 PM
And here you are again.

That does seem to annoy you.
But it's your problem.....not mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 29, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
According to this Bruckener will be questioned in the New Year

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/13330977/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-maximum-security-prison/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 29, 2020, 05:59:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 29, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
According to this Bruckener will be questioned in the New Year

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/13330977/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-maximum-security-prison/

Wolfenbuttel is only 15 from Braunsweig...so it makes sense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 06:07:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 29, 2020, 05:59:55 PM
Wolfenbuttel is only 15 from Braunsweig...so it makes sense

So you don’t mind this media report ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 29, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 06:07:49 PM
So you don’t mind this media report ?

Im commenting on the closenes of the two cities...nothing more...I certainly dont accept it as confirmation he will be questioned...although i think he will...calm down...dont get excited
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 29, 2020, 06:27:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 29, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
Im commenting on the closenes of the two cities...nothing more...I certainly dont accept it as confirmation he will be questioned...although i think he will...calm down...dont get excited
Obiously if this report is true there will be people on here who will be disappointed by this turn of events.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 29, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
Im commenting on the closenes of the two cities...nothing more...I certainly dont accept it as confirmation he will be questioned...although i think he will...calm down...dont get excited

Let’s hope he doesn’t do a Kate eh !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 29, 2020, 06:29:30 PM
If he does a Kate then it means he’s got something to hide doesn’t it...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 29, 2020, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 06:28:13 PM
Let’s hope he doesn’t do a Kate eh !

Im sure he will...and to a certain extent hope he does...Ive been following it quite closely
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 07:36:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 29, 2020, 06:42:11 PM
Im sure he will...and to a certain extent hope he does...Ive been following it quite closely

That’s par for the course here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 29, 2020, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 29, 2020, 06:29:30 PM
If he does a Kate then it means he’s got something to hide doesn’t it...?

I'm sure he has plenty to hide, just not necessarily Madeleine relatedf
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on November 29, 2020, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 29, 2020, 07:42:07 PM
I'm sure he has plenty to hide, just not necessarily Madeleine relatedf

But there is the possibility that he has!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 29, 2020, 08:22:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 29, 2020, 07:42:07 PM
I'm sure he has plenty to hide, just not necessarily Madeleine relatedf
If he’s being questioned specifically about Madeleine’s disappearance and refuses to answer any questions about it, then does his refusal to answer mean he has something to hide with regard to her disappearance or not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 29, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 29, 2020, 08:22:14 PM
If he’s being questioned specifically about Madeleine’s disappearance and refuses to answer any questions about it, then does his refusal to answer mean he has something to hide with regard to her disappearance or not?

Best to wait and see if he is  questioned in the first place, before predicting that he won't answer. - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 29, 2020, 08:27:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 29, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
Best to wait and see if he is  questioned in the first place, before predicting that he won't answer. - IMO
A politician’s answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 29, 2020, 08:27:43 PM
The following was posted on facebook:

Imagine if MM was abducted last weekend in the exact same circumstances as it happened in PDL in 2007.
Next day the PJ arrest a well known pedophile who had a history of break ins and child rape/abuse and take him in for questioning. That’s one coincidence...

During questioning a British woman who knows the suspect very well arrives at the police station and tells police that the suspect told her that he had a horrible job to do the night before MM disappeared... that’s a second coincidence...

While questioning police also find out that he had a 30 min phone call within close proximity to the ocean club but this suspect refuses to cooperate and tell the police who he phoned. That’s a third coincidence....

On searching this suspect they cannot find any phone in his possession. So police pop around to his gaff and search for this phone. They eventually find the phone buried with his dead dog. But not only that, police also find usb sticks and hard drives with 8,000 images of indecent child/baby images of sickening abuse/rape and some of him having intercourse with his dog.. that’s a fourth big coincidence...

So back at the station police discovered that on the day after Maddie's disappearance, their suspect reports his second vehicle, a Jaguar Model XJR 6 with a German registration, to a new owner in Germany, although the car is still in Portugal. We now have a fifth coincidence.. 

While in custody another witness, Helge B, arrives at the police station to give evidence. Helge told police that the suspect in custody said he was involved in MM disappearance in the same conversation as bragging about raping and torturing an elderly woman - information that was previously checked out and resulted in a conviction. Helge also mentions that their suspect bragged to him about the child’s disappearance at a recent hippy festival. We now have a sixth coincidence...

Another witness arrives at the police station. This time a barmaid named Lenta Johlitz gave evidence to police. She said that the suspect became agitated when the news about the missing child was on sky news. He wanted us to stop talking about it. He shouted, 'The child is dead now and that's a good thing'. She also stated to police that he allegedly said: "You can make a corpse disappear quickly! Pigs also eat human flesh!"
That would be a seventh coincidence....

Shortly after that another witness walks into the police station to give evidence against the suspect. Manfred Seyferth told police that their suspect had an obsession with small children and that he was well capable of abducting a child. Police also discover that their suspect was on the dark web chatting with another pedo that he wanted to catch “something small and use it for days”. We now have another big red flag and a eighth coincidence....

So we have a suspect in custody with 8 really big red flags on why he should be kept in custody. Not only that, the police come out and gave a public broadcast to say that they also have evidence that their suspect killed MM but they need more time to bring this case forward. They also make a public appeal for witnesses to come forward with any information they might know of.

Just outside the police station a small band of protesters arrived with placards and banners in disgust at the arrest of the pedo! On the placards you can see the words “Scapegoat” and “Patsy”. From the gathering you can hear people rant “Let him Go, he Is innocent”. Another protester shouts “He’s been to Hell and Back, he is Innocent”. Amongst the crowd you can hear protesters saying “Let him go, arrest the parents instead” and “We all care for Maddie, he is innocent”. One protester says that she is willing to raise funds to support the suspect and many of her friends around her agreed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 29, 2020, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 29, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
Best to wait and see if he is  questioned in the first place, before predicting that he won't answer. - IMO

Looks like you are refusing to answer the question
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 29, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 29, 2020, 08:27:43 PM
The following was posted on facebook:

Imagine if MM was abducted last weekend in the exact same circumstances as it happened in PDL in 2007.
Next day the PJ arrest a well known pedophile who had a history of break ins and child rape/abuse and take him in for questioning. That’s one coincidence...

During questioning a British woman who knows the suspect very well arrives at the police station and tells police that the suspect told her that he had a horrible job to do the night before MM disappeared... that’s a second coincidence...

While questioning police also find out that he had a 30 min phone call within close proximity to the ocean club but this suspect refuses to cooperate and tell the police who he phoned. That’s a third coincidence....

On searching this suspect they cannot find any phone in his possession. So police pop around to his gaff and search for this phone. They eventually find the phone buried with his dead dog. But not only that, police also find usb sticks and hard drives with 8,000 images of indecent child/baby images of sickening abuse/rape and some of him having intercourse with his dog.. that’s a fourth big coincidence...

So back at the station police discovered that on the day after Maddie's disappearance, their suspect reports his second vehicle, a Jaguar Model XJR 6 with a German registration, to a new owner in Germany, although the car is still in Portugal. We now have a fifth coincidence.. 

While in custody another witness, Helge B, arrives at the police station to give evidence. Helge told police that the suspect in custody said he was involved in MM disappearance in the same conversation as bragging about raping and torturing an elderly woman - information that was previously checked out and resulted in a conviction. Helge also mentions that their suspect bragged to him about the child’s disappearance at a recent hippy festival. We now have a sixth coincidence...

Another witness arrives at the police station. This time a barmaid named Lenta Johlitz gave evidence to police. She said that the suspect became agitated when the news about the missing child was on sky news. He wanted us to stop talking about it. He shouted, 'The child is dead now and that's a good thing'. She also stated to police that he allegedly said: "You can make a corpse disappear quickly! Pigs also eat human flesh!"
That would be a seventh coincidence....

Shortly after that another witness walks into the police station to give evidence against the suspect. Manfred Seyferth told police that their suspect had an obsession with small children and that he was well capable of abducting a child. Police also discover that their suspect was on the dark web chatting with another pedo that he wanted to catch “something small and use it for days”. We now have another big red flag and a eighth coincidence....

So we have a suspect in custody with 8 really big red flags on why he should be kept in custody. Not only that, the police come out and gave a public broadcast to say that they also have evidence that their suspect killed MM but they need more time to bring this case forward. They also make a public appeal for witnesses to come forward with any information they might know of.

Just outside the police station a small band of protesters arrived with placards and banners in disgust at the arrest of the pedo! On the placards you can see the words “Scapegoat” and “Patsy”. From the gathering you can hear people rant “Let him Go, he Is innocent”. Another protester shouts “He’s been to Hell and Back, he is Innocent”. Amongst the crowd you can hear protesters saying “Let him go, arrest the parents instead” and “We all care for Maddie, he is innocent”. One protester says that she is willing to raise funds to support the suspect and many of her friends around her agreed.
excellent post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 29, 2020, 08:50:10 PM


I'd be there, standing proudly with the protesters, proclaiming that 'it was the parents wot dunnit'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 29, 2020, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 29, 2020, 08:27:43 PM
The following was posted on facebook:

Imagine if MM was abducted last weekend in the exact same circumstances as it happened in PDL in 2007.
Next day the PJ arrest a well known pedophile who had a history of break ins and child rape/abuse and take him in for questioning. That’s one coincidence...

During questioning a British woman who knows the suspect very well arrives at the police station and tells police that the suspect told her that he had a horrible job to do the night before MM disappeared... that’s a second coincidence...

While questioning police also find out that he had a 30 min phone call within close proximity to the ocean club but this suspect refuses to cooperate and tell the police who he phoned. That’s a third coincidence....

On searching this suspect they cannot find any phone in his possession. So police pop around to his gaff and search for this phone. They eventually find the phone buried with his dead dog. But not only that, police also find usb sticks and hard drives with 8,000 images of indecent child/baby images of sickening abuse/rape and some of him having intercourse with his dog.. that’s a fourth big coincidence...

So back at the station police discovered that on the day after Maddie's disappearance, their suspect reports his second vehicle, a Jaguar Model XJR 6 with a German registration, to a new owner in Germany, although the car is still in Portugal. We now have a fifth coincidence.. 

While in custody another witness, Helge B, arrives at the police station to give evidence. Helge told police that the suspect in custody said he was involved in MM disappearance in the same conversation as bragging about raping and torturing an elderly woman - information that was previously checked out and resulted in a conviction. Helge also mentions that their suspect bragged to him about the child’s disappearance at a recent hippy festival. We now have a sixth coincidence...

Another witness arrives at the police station. This time a barmaid named Lenta Johlitz gave evidence to police. She said that the suspect became agitated when the news about the missing child was on sky news. He wanted us to stop talking about it. He shouted, 'The child is dead now and that's a good thing'. She also stated to police that he allegedly said: "You can make a corpse disappear quickly! Pigs also eat human flesh!"
That would be a seventh coincidence....

Shortly after that another witness walks into the police station to give evidence against the suspect. Manfred Seyferth told police that their suspect had an obsession with small children and that he was well capable of abducting a child. Police also discover that their suspect was on the dark web chatting with another pedo that he wanted to catch “something small and use it for days”. We now have another big red flag and a eighth coincidence....

So we have a suspect in custody with 8 really big red flags on why he should be kept in custody. Not only that, the police come out and gave a public broadcast to say that they also have evidence that their suspect killed MM but they need more time to bring this case forward. They also make a public appeal for witnesses to come forward with any information they might know of.

Just outside the police station a small band of protesters arrived with placards and banners in disgust at the arrest of the pedo! On the placards you can see the words “Scapegoat” and “Patsy”. From the gathering you can hear people rant “Let him Go, he Is innocent”. Another protester shouts “He’s been to Hell and Back, he is Innocent”. Amongst the crowd you can hear protesters saying “Let him go, arrest the parents instead” and “We all care for Maddie, he is innocent”. One protester says that she is willing to raise funds to support the suspect and many of her friends around her agreed.

I wonder what the response will be if this were to be put to him and answered if that's what the investigation thinks.
Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 29, 2020, 08:51:53 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 29, 2020, 08:27:43 PM
The following was posted on facebook:

Imagine if MM was abducted last weekend in the exact same circumstances as it happened in PDL in 2007.
Next day the PJ arrest a well known pedophile who had a history of break ins and child rape/abuse and take him in for questioning. That’s one coincidence...

During questioning a British woman who knows the suspect very well arrives at the police station and tells police that the suspect told her that he had a horrible job to do the night before MM disappeared... that’s a second coincidence...

While questioning police also find out that he had a 30 min phone call within close proximity to the ocean club but this suspect refuses to cooperate and tell the police who he phoned. That’s a third coincidence....

On searching this suspect they cannot find any phone in his possession. So police pop around to his gaff and search for this phone. They eventually find the phone buried with his dead dog. But not only that, police also find usb sticks and hard drives with 8,000 images of indecent child/baby images of sickening abuse/rape and some of him having intercourse with his dog.. that’s a fourth big coincidence...

So back at the station police discovered that on the day after Maddie's disappearance, their suspect reports his second vehicle, a Jaguar Model XJR 6 with a German registration, to a new owner in Germany, although the car is still in Portugal. We now have a fifth coincidence.. 

While in custody another witness, Helge B, arrives at the police station to give evidence. Helge told police that the suspect in custody said he was involved in MM disappearance in the same conversation as bragging about raping and torturing an elderly woman - information that was previously checked out and resulted in a conviction. Helge also mentions that their suspect bragged to him about the child’s disappearance at a recent hippy festival. We now have a sixth coincidence...

Another witness arrives at the police station. This time a barmaid named Lenta Johlitz gave evidence to police. She said that the suspect became agitated when the news about the missing child was on sky news. He wanted us to stop talking about it. He shouted, 'The child is dead now and that's a good thing'. She also stated to police that he allegedly said: "You can make a corpse disappear quickly! Pigs also eat human flesh!"
That would be a seventh coincidence....

Shortly after that another witness walks into the police station to give evidence against the suspect. Manfred Seyferth told police that their suspect had an obsession with small children and that he was well capable of abducting a child. Police also discover that their suspect was on the dark web chatting with another pedo that he wanted to catch “something small and use it for days”. We now have another big red flag and a eighth coincidence....

So we have a suspect in custody with 8 really big red flags on why he should be kept in custody. Not only that, the police come out and gave a public broadcast to say that they also have evidence that their suspect killed MM but they need more time to bring this case forward. They also make a public appeal for witnesses to come forward with any information they might know of.

Just outside the police station a small band of protesters arrived with placards and banners in disgust at the arrest of the pedo! On the placards you can see the words “Scapegoat” and “Patsy”. From the gathering you can hear people rant “Let him Go, he Is innocent”. Another protester shouts “He’s been to Hell and Back, he is Innocent”. Amongst the crowd you can hear protesters saying “Let him go, arrest the parents instead” and “We all care for Maddie, he is innocent”. One protester says that she is willing to raise funds to support the suspect and many of her friends around her agreed.

Last of all... The suspect refuses to say where he was on the night of the abduction and the days after and refuses to say anything in his defence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 29, 2020, 08:55:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 29, 2020, 08:50:32 PM
I wonder what the response will be if this were to be put to him and answered if that's what the investigation thinks.
Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to Madeleine.

What would your response be if he said that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 29, 2020, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 29, 2020, 08:50:10 PM

I'd be there, standing proudly with the protesters, proclaiming that 'it was the parents wot dunnit'.
All you sceptics would be, that’s what is so comi-tragic.  Or tragi-comic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 29, 2020, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 29, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
excellent post.

Goncalo Amaral wasn't having that.  He needed two guilty Mothers.

What some here refuse to accept is that some of us where there in the beginning and consequentially remember every ghastly thing that was leaked.  And Paedophiles weren't going to come into this.

Sadly, Amaral could have made a really good name for himself if he had been unbiased.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 29, 2020, 08:58:24 PM


The only evidential link between Maddies disappearance & paedophiles is Mrs Gaspar's witness statement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 29, 2020, 08:59:05 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 29, 2020, 08:50:10 PM

I'd be there, standing proudly with the protesters, proclaiming that 'it was the parents wot dunnit'.

You still are, Lovely.

I hope you don't mind Warning Points because you are going to get a few in a minute if you keep this up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 29, 2020, 08:59:28 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 29, 2020, 08:50:10 PM

I'd be there, standing proudly with the protesters, proclaiming that 'it was the parents wot dunnit'.

I doubt you would.. I doubt you could be Rsed

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 29, 2020, 09:01:29 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 29, 2020, 08:58:24 PM

The only evidential link between Maddies disappearance & paedophiles is Mrs Gaspar's witness statement.
Dr Gaspar to you. 
And it is because of her vital witness statement that Gerry and David Payne are both in a high security sex offenders prison doing a twenty year strectch - but only in the Wonderfulspam Universe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on November 30, 2020, 06:21:43 AM
Only time will tell, not those here belittling the German investigation...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999197/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-moved-maximum-security-former-Gestapo-guillotine-jail.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999197/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-moved-maximum-security-former-Gestapo-guillotine-jail.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 30, 2020, 07:18:33 AM
Quote from: Myster on November 30, 2020, 06:21:43 AM
Only time will tell, not those here belittling the German investigation...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999197/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-moved-maximum-security-former-Gestapo-guillotine-jail.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999197/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-moved-maximum-security-former-Gestapo-guillotine-jail.html)
LOL at “former Gestapo Guillotine Jail”.  I’d have gone fo “Gaol” if I’d been writing the headline, mind. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 30, 2020, 08:22:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 29, 2020, 08:51:53 PM
Last of all... The suspect refuses to say where he was on the night of the abduction and the days after and refuses to say anything in his defence
He hasn't been asked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 08:27:18 AM
Quote from: The General on November 30, 2020, 08:22:38 AM
He hasn't been asked.

there are two answers to this point...will send them telepathically later
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 30, 2020, 08:31:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 08:27:18 AM
there are two answers to this point...will send them telepathically later
I got them. Yes, I knew you'd say that. And no, why would he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 30, 2020, 09:22:14 AM
I'm loving this trend of debating telepathically.  Soon the forum itself will be completely redundant and we will be able to insult and libel with impunity - unless the moderators are also fully trained Thought Police???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 30, 2020, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 29, 2020, 06:28:13 PM
Let’s hope he doesn’t do a Kate eh !

Do you think the German Police are going to lie and say Madeleine's 100% DNA was found in his camper van and the dogs alerted to it?   Or maybe that he was seen with a black bag?   Maybe they will say he had had a black out and he can't remember taking Madeleine?   All of which the Portuguese Police presented to Kate,  which was why she was advised to say nothing.   Anyone would have taking the advice of lawyers in that position. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: Lace on November 30, 2020, 10:04:22 AM
Do you think the German Police are going to lie and say Madeleine's 100% DNA was found in his camper van and the dogs alerted to it?   Or maybe that he was seen with a black bag?   Maybe they will say he had had a black out and he can't remember taking Madeleine?   All of which the Portuguese Police presented to Kate,  which was why she was advised to say nothing.   Anyone would have taking the advice of lawyers in that position.

Quite obviously whether or not Kate responded to questions she was advised not to is neither here nor there.  It is just an intensely boring device to further abuse her.  She had nothing to hide.  She had been co-operating with the police and answering all their questions for months.

A period during which she realised when she was made arguida that the Amaral investigation was not the least bit interested in Madeleine.  All of their interest was in framing her or Gerry ~ but preferably her.
The fact that in interview when trying to deflect attention from the prime suspect Brueckner Amaral was at pains to insist on the idiocy that Gerry was Smithman.
Utter nonsense indicative of something.  Either corruption or incompetence.  I'm leaning towards the former.

Brueckner has the right to maintain his silence.  But as Davel has pointed out, under competent interrogation it is likely that his silence on specific questions could prove to be compelling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 11:16:39 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 10:33:25 AM
Quite obviously whether or not Kate responded to questions she was advised not to is neither here nor there.  It is just an intensely boring device to further abuse her.  She had nothing to hide.  She had been co-operating with the police and answering all their questions for months.

A period during which she realised when she was made arguida that the Amaral investigation was not the least bit interested in Madeleine.  All of their interest was in framing her or Gerry ~ but preferably her.
The fact that in interview when trying to deflect attention from the prime suspect Brueckner Amaral was at pains to insist on the idiocy that Gerry was Smithman.
Utter nonsense indicative of something.  Either corruption or incompetence.  I'm leaning towards the former.

Brueckner has the right to maintain his silence.  But as Davel has pointed out, under competent interrogation it is likely that his silence on specific questions could prove to be compelling.

How do you know Kate had nothing to hide ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 11:25:39 AM
Perhaps Wolters will do an Amaral... Write a book explaining his thesis.. Make a cool 500k....
Sceptics would approveo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 11:16:39 AM
How do you know Kate had nothing to hide ?

Because the Policia Judiciaria told me.  Just check out their final report and see for yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: Lace on November 30, 2020, 10:04:22 AM
Do you think the German Police are going to lie and say Madeleine's 100% DNA was found in his camper van and the dogs alerted to it?   Or maybe that he was seen with a black bag?   Maybe they will say he had had a black out and he can't remember taking Madeleine?   All of which the Portuguese Police presented to Kate,  which was why she was advised to say nothing.   Anyone would have taking the advice of lawyers in that position.

Absolutely and I’m sure Brueckner will take his lawyer’s advice too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 11:25:39 AM
Perhaps Wolters will do an Amaral... Write a book explaining his thesis.. Make a cool 500k....
Sceptics would approveo

Maybe Wolter’s making his money already? He certainly seems to be doing a lot of interviews...perhaps podcasts pay well ? To be fair I don’t remember Amaral giving interviews before the case was closed....but perhaps you know differently?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Maybe Wolter’s making his money already? He certainly seems to be doing a lot of interviews...perhaps podcasts pay well ? To be fair I don’t remember Amaral giving interviews before the case was closed....but perhaps you know differently?

He wasn't able to.. Judicial secrecy.. So he just leaked lies according to SF
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
Because the Policia Judiciaria told me.  Just check out their final report and see for yourself.

Can you point me to the relevant passage that say's 'Kate had nothing to hide' I've never seen that bit.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 11:56:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 11:50:56 AM
He wasn't able to.. Judicial secrecy.. So he just leaked lies according to SF

I thought German secrecy laws were really strict...in fact so strict that Brueckner can’t be told what evidence Wolter has against him. Isn’t that what you said ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 11:56:30 AM
I thought German secrecy laws were really strict...in fact so strict that Brueckner can’t be told what evidence Wolter has against him. Isn’t that what you said ?

Privacy laws is what I said... And the next part is wrong too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 12:04:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 11:58:13 AM
Privacy laws is what I said... And the next part is wrong too

So please explain the difference between privacy laws in Germany and secrecy laws in Portugal?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
Can you point me to the relevant passage that say's 'Kate had nothing to hide' I've never seen that bit.

I can point to them all ~ just read it for yourself.  If that doesn't work ~ try the archiving document.  Then bone up a wee bit on the type of evidence required to make someone a prime suspect in a case such as Madeleine's.
Google will help you there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 12:13:25 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 12:10:05 PM
I can point to them all ~ just read it for yourself.  If that doesn't work ~ try the archiving document.  Then bone up a wee bit on the type of evidence required to make someone a prime suspect in a case such as Madeleine's.
Google will help you there.

You could have just said 'no I can't, because it doesn't actually say that anywhere'

That would have been simpler.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 11:58:13 AM
Privacy laws is what I said... And the next part is wrong too

I think the deflection tool is being waved about for the afternoon's amusement.  Things must be really boring now that the Germans seem to be hitting so many nails on the head with their new prime suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 11:45:03 AM
Absolutely and I’m sure Brueckner will take his lawyer’s advice too.
Cite for lawyers advice... You won't be able to find one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 12:04:03 PM
So please explain the difference between privacy laws in Germany and secrecy laws in Portugal?

I'd you don't understand the difference I'm not going to educate you... Perhaps gunit could help you

I'll start it off for you.

Privacy applies to an individual
Secrecy to the investigation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 30, 2020, 12:18:06 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 12:14:01 PM
I think the deflection tool is being waved about for the afternoon's amusement.  Things must be really boring now that the Germans seem to be hitting so many nails on the head with their new prime suspect.

Which nails would these be ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 12:13:25 PM
You could have just said 'no I can't, because it doesn't actually say that anywhere'

That would have been simpler.

I said in my post that Kate had nothing to hide. 
I told you exactly where my information for being able to say that came from.

I don't think I could have made it any simpler for you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on November 30, 2020, 12:18:06 PM
Which nails would these be ?

Allow me to recommend Google to you.  Typing in the relevant words of your choice should enable you to hit a page with the information you require.

Then it is up to you to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 12:27:00 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 12:20:17 PM
I said in my post that Kate had nothing to hide. 
I told you exactly where my information for being able to say that came from.

I don't think I could have made it any simpler for you.

Yes, you posted your opinion as if it were fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 30, 2020, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 12:25:51 PM
Allow me to recommend Google to you.  Typing in the relevant words of your choice should enable you to hit a page with the information you require.

Then it is up to you to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Just a meaningless phrase of yours that you can't amplify, otherwise you would.
But never mind, I never thought you could.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
Cite for lawyers advice... You won't be able to find one.

Pardon? Surely it’s common sense that Brueckner will take his lawyer’s advice ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 12:16:58 PM
I'd you don't understand the difference I'm not going to educate you... Perhaps gunit could help you

I'll start it off for you.

Privacy applies to an individual
Secrecy to the investigation

Fair enough if you don’t know. No shame there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 01:00:27 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 12:57:06 PM
Pardon? Surely it’s common sense that Brueckner will take his lawyer’s advice ?

What's his lawyers advice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 01:01:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 12:58:12 PM
Fair enough if you don’t know. No shame there.

So you don't even understand that simple part... That's why I can't be bothered
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 30, 2020, 01:03:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 01:00:27 PM
What's his lawyers advice
See: 'serving cold drinks in hell' quote for reference. I think you can glean the gist of his advice, as if it were needed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 01:08:34 PM
Quote from: The General on November 30, 2020, 01:03:45 PM
See: 'serving cold drinks in hell' quote for reference. I think you can glean the gist of his advice, as if it were needed.

He didn't say that would be his advice and in my unprofessional opinion would be very poor advice... That was his clients choice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 01:22:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 01:00:27 PM
What's his lawyers advice

No idea but I’m sure whatever it is he’ll be taking it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 01:24:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 01:01:45 PM
So you don't even understand that simple part... That's why I can't be bothered

The part cited was incorrect.

No problem, I’d be surprised if you did know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 01:24:30 PM
The part cited was incorrect.

No problem, I’d be surprised if you did know.

What I said was 100% correct... If YOU THINK it isn't you should point out why.. You can't.

I'm not surprised you don't understand
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 30, 2020, 01:46:41 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 30, 2020, 12:14:01 PM
I think the deflection tool is being waved about for the afternoon's amusement.  Things must be really boring now that the Germans seem to be hitting so many nails on the head with their new prime suspect.
Yes, the news that he is to be questioned in the new year seems to have ruffled feathers somewhat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 01:42:18 PM
What I said was 100% correct... If YOU THINK it isn't you should point out why.. You can't.

I'm not surprised you don't understand

Don’t worry you can’t be right about everything. Many have made claims on this forum that they can’t substantiate...there’s no shame in it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 02:33:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 30, 2020, 01:46:41 PM
Yes, the news that he is to be questioned in the new year seems to have ruffled feathers somewhat.

I'm looking forward to what those who have said HCW has nothing have to say when he is questioned
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 02:34:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 02:33:04 PM
I'm looking forward to what those who have said HCW has nothing have to say when he is questioned

Pardon?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 30, 2020, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 02:33:04 PM
I'm looking forward to what those who have said HCW has nothing have to say when he is questioned
I'm looking forward to this mythical date in January when he's allegedly going to be grilled with the additionally mythical evidence.
I actually hope he sings like Marlene Dietrich at a Cocktail Party. He might even start with the 'torture' he suffered at the feet of the Stasi last week (which is a ruddy good show from old Jerry, just maybe not quite kicking hard enough) - Erzähl ihnen alles, Stan!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 30, 2020, 02:43:25 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 02:34:47 PM
Pardon ?
I've sent a missive via Morse Code to Bletchley Park. They can't make head nor tale of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: The General on November 30, 2020, 02:41:56 PM
I'm looking forward to this mythical date in January when he's allegedly going to be grilled with the additionally mythical evidence.
I actually hope he sings like Marlene Dietrich at a Cocktail Party. He might even start with the 'torture' he suffered at the feet of the Stasi last week (which is a ruddy good show from old Jerry, just maybe not quite kicking hard enough) - Erzähl ihnen alles, Stan!
I suspect he won't say a word.... And this is what Herr Wolters is expecting and already factored into his stratagy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 03:04:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 02:59:47 PM
I suspect he won't say a word.... And this is what Herr Wolters is expecting and already factored into his stratagy

If Wolter had anything specific to question Brueckner about he’d have done so by now. This is simply the last throw of the dice for him. More than likely them upstairs have said that he either moves the case forward or it’s mothballed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 03:07:21 PM


I'm looking forward to the cadaver dogs alerting in his Winnebago & it not meaning anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 30, 2020, 03:31:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 02:59:47 PM
I suspect he won't say a word.... And this is what Herr Wolters is expecting and already factored into his stratagy
I'm pretty sure this 'strategy' depends on his spilling his guts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 30, 2020, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 03:07:21 PM

I'm looking forward to the cadaver dogs alerting in his Winnebago & it not meaning anything.
Me too, it will be delightful to see you coming up with an explanation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 03:52:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 30, 2020, 03:41:49 PM
Me too, it will be delightful to see you coming up with an explanation.

Maybe Brueckner developed a taste for Sea Bass.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 30, 2020, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 03:52:22 PM
Maybe Brueckner developed a taste for Sea Bass.
So you would have to concede that in order for the McCanns to have dunnit, the dog alerts prove nothing.  Jolly good show!  8@??)(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 04:50:42 PM
Quote from: The General on November 30, 2020, 03:31:43 PM
I'm pretty sure this 'strategy' depends on his spilling his guts.

I dont think it does. I think hes totally prepared and expects CB to say nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 30, 2020, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 04:50:42 PM
I dont think it does. I think hes totally prepared and expects CB to say nothing.
Sort of my point. He will have to hot box him and squeeze his proverbials, see if the pips squeak.
Should be an interesting encounter, if it ever comes to fruition; the imbecilic paedo rapist versus the inept Bavarian gumshoe. A meeting of minds, like Kasparov v Karpov but with crayons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: The General on November 30, 2020, 04:58:11 PM
Sort of my point. He will have to hot box him and squeeze his proverbials, see if the pips squeak.
Should be an interesting encounter, if it ever comes to fruition; the imbecilic paedo rapist versus the inept Bavarian gumshoe. A meeting of minds, like Kasparov v Karpov but with crayons.

CB wont talk...hes got nothing to say...I've got it all worked out...you dont have to say anything...but it may harm your defence....basically. Wolters is far from inept...but of course you know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 30, 2020, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 05:12:17 PM
CB wont talk...hes got nothing to say...I've got it all worked out...you dont have to say anything...but it may harm your defence....basically. Wolters is far from inept...but of course you know that.
If that's the case, then he will have to come to the party with some seriously compelling, novel evidence, or it will be over in 48 hours and he'll be back in Colditz before tea time.
But I don't think it will ever happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 30, 2020, 05:41:51 PM
Quote from: The General on November 30, 2020, 05:21:21 PM
If that's the case, then he will have to come to the party with some seriously compelling, novel evidence, or it will be over in 48 hours and he'll be back in Colditz before tea time.
But I don't think it will ever happen.

Remember the Gilroy trial...no body...only circumsantial...dont mention the dog...Gilroy didnt give evidence either. But I think clever Hans has alot more than that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 05:41:51 PM
Remember the Gilroy trial...no body...only circumsantial...dont mention the dog...Gilroy didnt give evidence either. But I think clever Hans has alot more than that

Why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 30, 2020, 08:16:19 PM
Quote from: Myster on November 30, 2020, 06:21:43 AM
Only time will tell, not those here belittling the German investigation...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999197/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-moved-maximum-security-former-Gestapo-guillotine-jail.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999197/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-moved-maximum-security-former-Gestapo-guillotine-jail.html)

According to Bild he's being moved this coming Monday, not in the new year.

https://www.bild.de/news/2020/news/christian-b-tritt-7-jaehrige-haft-an-maddie-verdaechtiger-zieht-in-neuen-knast-74212254.bild.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 30, 2020, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 30, 2020, 05:41:51 PM
Remember the Gilroy trial...no body...only circumsantial...dont mention the dog...Gilroy didnt give evidence either. But I think clever Hans has alot more than that
Davel could be getting insider information via the Amaral camp now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 30, 2020, 08:16:19 PM
According to Bild he's being moved this coming Monday, not in the new year.

https://www.bild.de/news/2020/news/christian-b-tritt-7-jaehrige-haft-an-maddie-verdaechtiger-zieht-in-neuen-knast-74212254.bild.html

Wolter better look lively then. The ‘too far away to question’ ruse seems to have a shorter shelf life than he expected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 01, 2020, 04:34:39 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/11/30/maddie-mccann-german-police-gathering-clues-as-suspect-brueckner-moved-to-former-gestapo-jail/
“Officers in Braunschweig, around 15 minutes’ drive from Wolfenbuttel, are planning to question Brueckner about the Madeleine case, as well as two others, once they have enough evidence”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-admit-wary-23094434
“Madeleine McCann prosecutors admit they are wary of charging their prime suspect because of Germany’s strict double-jeopardy law”.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 01, 2020, 06:22:59 AM
Quote from: Anthro on December 01, 2020, 04:34:39 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/11/30/maddie-mccann-german-police-gathering-clues-as-suspect-brueckner-moved-to-former-gestapo-jail/
“Officers in Braunschweig, around 15 minutes’ drive from Wolfenbuttel, are planning to question Brueckner about the Madeleine case, as well as two others, once they have enough evidence”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-admit-wary-23094434
“Madeleine McCann prosecutors admit they are wary of charging their prime suspect because of Germany’s strict double-jeopardy law”.
Its clear from what Wolters is saying there's no DNA link to Madeleine, therefore it's all circumstantial and intelligence based with they said he said they said he did for Madeleine, the legend is writ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 01, 2020, 07:16:20 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 01, 2020, 06:22:59 AM
Its clear from what Wolters is saying there's no DNA link to Madeleine, therefore it's all circumstantial and intelligence based with they said he said they said he did for Madeleine, the legend is writ.
It’s clear the case against him is strong but not water-tight.  The Germand are not fools - they wouldn’t be spending all this time and money on trying to gain a successful prosecution against a man based solely on the say so of a couple of his mates. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 07:55:13 AM
Quote from: Anthro on December 01, 2020, 04:34:39 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/11/30/maddie-mccann-german-police-gathering-clues-as-suspect-brueckner-moved-to-former-gestapo-jail/
“Officers in Braunschweig, around 15 minutes’ drive from Wolfenbuttel, are planning to question Brueckner about the Madeleine case, as well as two others, once they have enough evidence”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-admit-wary-23094434
“Madeleine McCann prosecutors admit they are wary of charging their prime suspect because of Germany’s strict double-jeopardy law”.

I mentioned the double jeopardy problem some months back... Looks like I'm right in the money...tjey are looking for more... They may have found more but eventually they will charge him.... It no rush he's banged up for the next 7 years
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 01, 2020, 09:10:26 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 03:52:22 PM
Maybe Brueckner developed a taste for Sea Bass.

I laugh at all the comments about Sea Bass.   So Sean liked Sea Bass it's a very common fish to eat.  Yet somehow conspiracy theory says it smells like cadaver???   Really?   Ridiculous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 01, 2020, 09:33:38 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on November 30, 2020, 09:32:37 PM
Wolter better look lively then. The ‘too far away to question’ ruse seems to have a shorter shelf life than he expected.

CB was in Kiel prison because he was sentenced for drug dealing by a court in Niebull. Both are in the state of  Schleswig-Holstein, which would be meeting the cost of his stay in prison.

He was taken from Kiel to Braunschweig for a court appearance which was said to have been connected with early release on parole. In my opinion the aim was to prevent him being released, and to 'claim' him to serve his sentence by the  Braunschweig Regional Court for rape.

 Braunschweig is in Lower Saxony, as is CB's new prison, so any costs for his stay in prison will no longer fall on the state of Schleswig-Holstein.



 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 01, 2020, 10:29:57 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 01, 2020, 09:33:38 AM
CB was in Kiel prison because he was sentenced for drug dealing by a court in Niebull. Both are in the state of  Schleswig-Holstein, which would be meeting the cost of his stay in prison.

He was taken from Kiel to Braunschweig for a court appearance which was said to have been connected with early release on parole. In my opinion the aim was to prevent him being released, and to 'claim' him to serve his sentence by the  Braunschweig Regional Court for rape.

 Braunschweig is in Lower Saxony, as is CB's new prison, so any costs for his stay in prison will no longer fall on the state of Schleswig-Holstein.
Makes sense, as, from memory, the police departments are autonomous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 11:11:54 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 01, 2020, 09:33:38 AM
CB was in Kiel prison because he was sentenced for drug dealing by a court in Niebull. Both are in the state of  Schleswig-Holstein, which would be meeting the cost of his stay in prison.

He was taken from Kiel to Braunschweig for a court appearance which was said to have been connected with early release on parole. In my opinion the aim was to prevent him being released, and to 'claim' him to serve his sentence by the  Braunschweig Regional Court for rape.

 Braunschweig is in Lower Saxony, as is CB's new prison, so any costs for his stay in prison will no longer fall on the state of Schleswig-Holstein.

He was convicted of rape in the Braunsweig court so his prison sentence will be served in that district as they have to bear the costs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 11:14:26 AM
It looks like the writing is on the wall for the sceptic cause after recent revelationns from the German press...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 11:31:46 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 01, 2020, 07:16:20 AM
It’s clear the case against him is strong but not water-tight.  The Germand are not fools - they wouldn’t be spending all this time and money on trying to gain a successful prosecution against a man based solely on the say so of a couple of his mates.

I'm sure suspects have been tried and found guilty with less evidence than there is against  CB so all this rubbish about not even enough evidence to question him is... Rubbish.

HCW would have known CB was being transferred... That's why he was in no rush to question him.
I would say its certain they have enough evidence to take CB to trial but not enough to guarantee conviction.. This is what HCW is looking for. As we learnt yesterday my suspicion that this was due to double jeopardy seems to be correct.
HCW has one crack at CB... He doesn't want to take any risks. CB is locked up so there's no rush.
What it does support is that HCW does have strong evidence... It's about time Sceptics woke uo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 11:41:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 11:31:46 AM
I'm sure suspects have been tried and found guilty with less evidence than there is against  CB so all this rubbish about not even enough evidence to question him is... Rubbish.

HCW would have known CB was being transferred... That's why he was in no rush to question him.
I would say its certain they have enough evidence to take CB to trial but not enough to guarantee conviction.. This is what HCW is looking for. As we learnt yesterday my suspicion that this was due to double jeopardy seems to be correct.
HCW has one crack at CB... He doesn't want to take any risks. CB is locked up so there's no rush.
What it does support is that HCW does have strong evidence... It's about time Sceptics woke uo

Why would Wolter need evidence to question Brueckner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 11:41:07 AM
Why would Wolter need evidence to question Brueckner?

They don't but as I recall that claim has been made... As I said its rubbish
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 11:54:21 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 11:50:12 AM
They don't but as I recall that claim has been made... As I said its rubbish

Where has the claim been made ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 01, 2020, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 11:31:46 AM
I'm sure suspects have been tried and found guilty with less evidence than there is against  CB so all this rubbish about not even enough evidence to question him is... Rubbish.

HCW would have known CB was being transferred... That's why he was in no rush to question him.
I would say its certain they have enough evidence to take CB to trial but not enough to guarantee conviction.. This is what HCW is looking for. As we learnt yesterday my suspicion that this was due to double jeopardy seems to be correct.
HCW has one crack at CB... He doesn't want to take any risks. CB is locked up so there's no rush.
What it does support is that HCW does have strong evidence... It's about time Sceptics woke uo
Do you think CB is a unique case? The double jeopardy threshold holds for all criminal cases; do you think they sit  on the rest of them, waiting for 'sufficient evidence'? Opportunity is the only different aspect here, given that he's sat watching Häuser unter dem Hammer as we speak.
Nah, one week he's telling us it won't go on indefinitely, the next he's proclaiming that he's gathering additional evidence. It's a load of brown, smelly, gelatinous guff.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: The General on December 01, 2020, 11:59:53 AM
Do you think CB is a unique case? The double jeopardy threshold holds for all criminal cases; do you think they sit  on the rest of them, waiting for 'sufficient evidence'? Opportunity is the only different aspect here, given that he's sat watching Häuser unter dem Hammer as we speak.
Nah, one week he's telling us it won't go on indefinitely, the next he's proclaiming that he's gathering additional evidence. It's a load of brown, smelly, gelatinous guff.

Yet some still gobble it up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 12:17:43 PM
Quote from: The General on December 01, 2020, 11:59:53 AM
Do you think CB is a unique case? The double jeopardy threshold holds for all criminal cases; do you think they sit  on the rest of them, waiting for 'sufficient evidence'? Opportunity is the only different aspect here, given that he's sat watching Häuser unter dem Hammer as we speak.
Nah, one week he's telling us it won't go on indefinitely, the next he's proclaiming that he's gathering additional evidence. It's a load of brown, smelly, gelatinous guff.
every case is unique and no case is unique.

It has some specific features.
Cb is banged up for the next 7 years is one and perhaps HCW thinks he can get that imprtant piece of evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 01, 2020, 12:25:20 PM
Quote from: The General on December 01, 2020, 10:29:57 AM
Makes sense, as, from memory, the police departments are autonomous.

He was sentenced in Niebull on 6th October 2011;

Because he was sentenced to imprisonment by the Niebüll District Court on October 6, 2011 for drug trafficking, the alleged murderer of Madeleine McCann is currently in custody in Kiel.
https://www.kn-online.de/Kiel/Fall-Maddie-Christian-B.-verkaufte-Drogen-auf-Sylt

According to the BBC he wasn't jailed at the time, he took off to Portugal;

He is serving a jail term in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, for drug-dealing, having been extradited from Portugal in July 2017.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52937626

He seems to have avoided prison in 2017 also, however, as he was extradited again from Italy in 2018;

Brueckner was extradited to Germany from Italy in 2018 under an arrest warrant that cited a drugs conviction but was subsequently convicted and sentenced for the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-italy-madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-rape-appeal-a9657006.html

CB appears to have been tried and convicted for rape in 2019 while having finally been imprisoned for the 2011 drug dealing conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 01, 2020, 12:29:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 12:17:43 PM
every case is unique and no case is unique.

It has some specific features.
Cb is banged up for the enxt 7 years is one and perhaps HCW thinks he can get that imprtant piece of evidence
Probably more like 3 and a half years, but I get your point.
It's the old Catch 22; the best evidence would be eye witness i.e. Mr B, but he will clam up when questioned, so he can't disclose the evidence he does have without showing his hand.....which might be the way for him to sing....
These things go one of two ways and it usually ends with put up or shut up from the prosecution. There's no way HCW's paymasters are going to let him string it out indefinitely looking for something that likely doesn't exist. He's already alluded to the fact that it's all time bound.
The 'uniqueness' of the case, not so much CB, is actually the driver that will have to bring this to a resolution sooner rather than later. All stakeholders will not sit on their hands waiting for HCW to pull a rabbit out of his tradesman's entrance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 01, 2020, 12:38:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 01, 2020, 12:25:20 PM
He was sentenced in Niebull on 6th October 2011;

Because he was sentenced to imprisonment by the Niebüll District Court on October 6, 2011 for drug trafficking, the alleged murderer of Madeleine McCann is currently in custody in Kiel.
https://www.kn-online.de/Kiel/Fall-Maddie-Christian-B.-verkaufte-Drogen-auf-Sylt

According to the BBC he wasn't jailed at the time, he took off to Portugal;

He is serving a jail term in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, for drug-dealing, having been extradited from Portugal in July 2017.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52937626

He seems to have avoided prison in 2017 also, however, as he was extradited again from Italy in 2018;

Brueckner was extradited to Germany from Italy in 2018 under an arrest warrant that cited a drugs conviction but was subsequently convicted and sentenced for the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-italy-madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-rape-appeal-a9657006.html

CB appears to have been tried and convicted for rape in 2019 while having finally been imprisoned for the 2011 drug dealing conviction.
So he's served at least a year of the 7?
So he's out in 2022 potentially?
Tick tock Hans Christian. Meanwhile, in the real world, the McCann's are still looking for their daughter apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 12:39:42 PM
Quote from: The General on December 01, 2020, 12:38:19 PM
So he's served at least a year of the 7?
So he's out in 2022 potentially?
Tick tock Hans Christian. Meanwhile, in the real world, the McCann's are still looking for their daughter apparently.

Are they... I think it's possible Hans has shared at least some of his evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: The General on December 01, 2020, 12:29:32 PM
Probably more like 3 and a half years, but I get your point.
It's the old Catch 22; the best evidence would be eye witness i.e. Mr B, but he will clam up when questioned, so he can't disclose the evidence he does have without showing his hand.....which might be the way for him to sing....
These things go one of two ways and it usually ends with put up or shut up from the prosecution. There's no way HCW's paymasters are going to let him string it out indefinitely looking for something that likely doesn't exist. He's already alluded to the fact that it's all time bound.
The 'uniqueness' of the case, not so much CB, is actually the driver that will have to bring this to a resolution sooner rather than later. All stakeholders will not sit on their hands waiting for HCW to pull a rabbit out of his tradesman's entrance.

You can take a horse to water.

It's clear to me Hans has something significant... And he's said it has not been shared
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 01, 2020, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 12:39:42 PM
Are they... I think it's possible Hans has shared at least some of his evidence
They apparently didn't get the memo. Or were unimpressed with the 'evidence'.
If it's the latter, and he popped over with a thin Manila file of circumstantial musings, no wonder he was met with the Portcullis treatment.
This whole saga has me confounded with the reaction, or lack of it, from the people who it affects the most. It's not odd, it's utterly bizarre.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 12:53:47 PM
Quote from: The General on December 01, 2020, 12:43:33 PM
They apparently didn't get the memo. Or were unimpressed with the 'evidence'.
If it's the latter, and he popped over with a thin Manila file of circumstantial musings, no wonder he was met with the Portcullis treatment.
This whole saga has me confounded with the reaction, or lack of it, from the people who it affects the most. It's not odd, it's utterly bizarre.
That episode was some time ago.
Based on the silence from both SY and the McCanns things may well ahve changed.

The situation looks different depending on your viewpoint....those with an unswavering belief in Grime and his dogs...even though he says they have no evidential value....will never accept CB as a suspect. Those of us who are open minded will....and i think i will be shown to be absolutely correct...cue "nonsense" from the misguided
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 01, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 12:42:47 PM
You can take a horse to water.

It's clear to me Hans has something significant... And he's said it has not been shared
But nowhere near significant enough....which in legal terms actually means he has nothing. He must have shared it with the prosecutor, who evaluated it and decided it was insufficient. Since June clearly nothing has changed, otherwise he would have been arrested, despite his various global appeals and remonstrations to the contrary.
He gambled. He went all in and lost.
Let's look at the timeline. He obviously went to the prosecutor pre-June and was probably encouraged with the response (this was probably the contents of the USB's / EHD's) and gievn the old Roy Walker line - '...it's good, but it's not right'. So, emboldened, he develops a strategy which involves recruiting the general public to find his only loose strand, the caller to CB's phone on the night - he said it himself, he played his hand right there. That was the sole focus, find the caller everyone!
The caller was not found and now he's floundering in a mire of his own making.
So he's pushing as many buttons as he can to keep him incarcerated (while apparently trying the old 'stool pigeon' trick while inside - cringe), buying time in the vain hope that someone will dig him out of the pit.
He trawls Portugal and Germany and finds 'associates' of all denominations, most of whom are jailhouse snitches more than happy to provide information. These idiots feed him any old sauerkraut and he gobbles it up....'What I need out of each and every one of you is a hard-target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse in the area and this side of the Rhine'. For what? Nicht.
Note the total lack of recent appeals.....
His final act will be, and I'll bet another £43 per person, nothing. He's in legal limbo right now. He can't go forwards or backwards. He can't go back to the prosecutor with nothing more, so he can't question him without arresting him under suspicion. Never mind CB refusing to talk, he can't refuse to talk if he's not arrested and without fresh evidence he can't be arrested.
All played out in the public eye, necessarily. He had to go public and now he's sold himself a dummy, like Georgie Best on a wet Wednesday at Craven Cottage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 02:03:53 PM
Quote from: The General on December 01, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
But nowhere near significant enough....which in legal terms actually means he has nothing. He must have shared it with the prosecutor, who evaluated it and decided it was insufficient. Since June clearly nothing has changed, otherwise he would have been arrested, despite his various global appeals and remonstrations to the contrary.
He gambled. He went all in and lost.
Let's look at the timeline. He obviously went to the prosecutor pre-June and was probably encouraged with the response (this was probably the contents of the USB's / EHD's) and gievn the old Roy Walker line - '...it's good, but it's not right'. So, emboldened, he develops a strategy which involves recruiting the general public to find his only loose strand, the caller to CB's phone on the night - he said it himself, he played his hand right there. That was the sole focus, find the caller everyone!
The caller was not found and now he's floundering in a mire of his own making.
So he's pushing as many buttons as he can to keep him incarcerated (while apparently trying the old 'stool pigeon' trick while inside - cringe), buying time in the vain hope that someone will dig him out of the pit.
He trawls Portugal and Germany and finds 'associates' of all denominations, most of whom are jailhouse snitches more than happy to provide information. These idiots feed him any old sauerkraut and he gobbles it up....'What I need out of each and every one of you is a hard-target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse in the area and this side of the Rhine'. For what? Nicht.
Note the total lack of recent appeals.....
His final act will be, and I'll bet another £43 per person, nothing. He's in legal limbo right now. He can't go forwards or backwards. He can't go back to the prosecutor with nothing more, so he can't question him without arresting him under suspicion. Never mind CB refusing to talk, he can't refuse to talk if he's not arrested and without fresh evidence he can't be arrested.
All played out in the public eye, necessarily. He had to go public and now he's sold himself a dummy, like Georgie Best on a wet Wednesday at Craven Cottage.
As I said...you are looking at with with  aclosed mindset and are ignoring much of what Wolters has said. we will see shortly ...and Im confident i will be proven right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 02:42:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 02:03:53 PM
As I said...you are looking at with with  aclosed mindset and are ignoring much of what Wolters has said. we will see shortly ...and Im confident i will be proven right.

I have a feeling that you’ll be recycling this post same time next year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 01, 2020, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 02:03:53 PM
As I said...you are looking at with with  aclosed mindset and are ignoring much of what Wolters has said. we will see shortly ...and Im confident i will be proven right.
You'll find out some indeterminate time in the distant future. And don't call me shorty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 03:04:43 PM
Quote from: The General on December 01, 2020, 02:48:58 PM
You'll find out some indeterminate time in the distant future. And don't call me shorty.
OK.. Shirley we will find out soon
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 03:16:28 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 02:42:39 PM
I have a feeling that you’ll be recycling this post same time next year.

I won't be recycling anything unlike you and other sceptics still trying to find some meat on things that were past their sell by date 10 to 13 years ago..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 01, 2020, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 03:16:28 PM
I won't be recycling anything unlike you and other sceptics still trying to find some meat on things that were past their sell by date 10 to 13 years ago..
Ain't that the truth!  Like dredging up ancient Times articles that have already been debated to death years ago. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 01, 2020, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 12:39:42 PM
Are they... I think it's possible Hans has shared at least some of his evidence
Yes, Mr Wolters has without hesitation, confirmed two things: Madeleine had been killed and Brückner had done the deed.😔
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 01, 2020, 05:35:07 PM
Yes, Mr Wolters has without hesitation, confirmed two things: Madeleine had been killed and Brückner had done the deed.😔

Confirmation would involve evidence...have we seen any ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 01, 2020, 05:52:51 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 01, 2020, 05:35:07 PM
Yes, Mr Wolters has without hesitation, confirmed two things: Madeleine had been killed and Brückner had done the deed.😔


But importantly he's not confirmed his suspect took madeleine out of 5a, he's got to put the two together( CB and Madeleine) for his suspect to have murdered Madeleine, big sticking point imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 01, 2020, 06:24:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 01, 2020, 05:52:51 PM

But importantly he's not confirmed his suspect took madeleine out of 5a, he's got to put the two together( CB and Madeleine) for his suspect to have murdered Madeleine, big sticking point imo.
I disagree, Barrier. Wolters’ timeline of events stretches beyond 10 pm, 3 May 2007. He has never used the word ‘abduction’. He said that Madeleine was killed after been taken from 5A but that he does not know the exact date of her passing. His interest and investigation, in my opinion, shows little interest in the Tanner sighting, the Smith sighting and how Madeleine was removed from 5A. In my opinion, that theoretically leaves the investigation wide open re. who actually removed Madeleine from the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 05:40:28 PM
Confirmation would involve evidence...have we seen any ?

Hes explained he has the evidence and why he hasnt divulged it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 06:39:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 01, 2020, 05:52:51 PM

But importantly he's not confirmed his suspect took madeleine out of 5a, he's got to put the two together( CB and Madeleine) for his suspect to have murdered Madeleine, big sticking point imo.

Wolters was aasked if he had evidence CB had been in 5a...he declined to answer yet it seems hes always replied no if he doesnt have evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 01, 2020, 06:43:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 06:39:43 PM
Wolters was aasked if he had evidence CB had been in 5a...he declined to answer yet it seems hes always replied no if he doesnt have evidence
Rub a dry cloth over your crystal ball to see clearly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 01, 2020, 06:47:39 PM
https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead
Wolters’ words are here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 08:17:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 06:39:43 PM
Wolters was aasked if he had evidence CB had been in 5a...he declined to answer yet it seems hes always replied no if he doesnt have evidence

If Wolter had evidence that Brueckner had been in 5a that would be a slam dunk. Surely even you can see that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 09:29:50 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 08:17:28 PM
If Wolter had evidence that Brueckner had been in 5a that would be a slam dunk. Surely even you can see that?
Evidence is not proof.... I can see that but you obviously cant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 09:29:50 PM
Evidence is not proof.... I can see that but you obviously cant

At this stage and with all the other evidence that you believe Wolter has evidence of Brueckner’s presence in
5a would be enough to charge him. Can you really not understand that or are you so invested in this scenario that backing down is not an option?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 01, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
At this stage and with all the other evidence that you believe Wolter has evidence of Brueckner’s presence in
5a would be enough to charge him. Can you really not understand that or are you so invested in this scenario that backing down is not an option?

Absolute nonsense... At least you are consistent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 11:03:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
Absolute nonsense... At least you are consistent

As you are predictable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 02, 2020, 05:58:53 AM
Quote from: Anthro on December 01, 2020, 06:24:04 PM
I disagree, Barrier. Wolters’ timeline of events stretches beyond 10 pm, 3 May 2007. He has never used the word ‘abduction’. He said that Madeleine was killed after been taken from 5A but that he does not know the exact date of her passing. His interest and investigation, in my opinion, shows little interest in the Tanner sighting, the Smith sighting and how Madeleine was removed from 5A. In my opinion, that theoretically leaves the investigation wide open re. who actually removed Madeleine from the apartment.
Smithman is the key and always has been imo, the only person seen carrying a child fitting a description close to that of Madeleine .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 02, 2020, 06:28:50 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 01, 2020, 02:42:39 PM
I have a feeling that you’ll be recycling this post same time next year.
Come now Faith it's the last great hope if it ain't the German suspect then who was the mysterious "abductor", The Mysterons?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 02, 2020, 07:24:07 AM
Nope... nothing to do with me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 07:58:49 AM
It all depends on what evidence HCW has...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 08:06:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 02, 2020, 06:28:50 AM
Come now Faith it's the last great hope if it ain't the German suspect then who was the mysterious "abductor", The Mysterons?
You have a good point there. Talk about shunting all your eggs in one......erm......egg.....carrying......device......box.....BASKET.
If this one doesn't pan out, which it won't (It's now £47 per person here, Paypalled direct), then it gets consigned to the 'Nobody Knows' bin and we will all be sat here ad infinitum - so more than others because most of you are old gits and probably only have a few years of life left.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 08:13:01 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 08:06:07 AM
You have a good point there. Talk about shunting all your eggs in one......erm......egg.....carrying......device......box.....BASKET.
If this one doesn't pan out, which it won't (It's now £47 per person here, Paypalled direct), then it gets consigned to the 'Nobody Knows' bin and we will all be sat here ad infinitum - so more than others because most of you are old gits and probably only have a few years of life left.

It all depends on what evidence HCW has..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 02, 2020, 09:21:45 AM
"In Germany, once you have been acquitted, you cannot be charged again, at least only in very exceptional cases.

"If we now are hasty and he was acquitted because the court said 'Ah, we still have a few doubts' then we would not be able to get him later."

Controversy surrounding Germany's double jeopardy law reared its head after a taxi driver was acquitted of raping and killing a child, however years later after technological advances, his DNA was matched to a sperm sample at the scene.

Wolters told the Mirror it was clear the taxi driver was guilty, but he could not be charged again, describing it as "so tragic".
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-admit-to-major-risks-of-charging-prime-suspect/56VZLIEFKHCC4Z5UK3FP2Z4FY4/


The double jeopardy rule has been dropped in Scotland which allows acquitted individuals to be tried again for the same crime should compelling new evidence become available  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29916169 Herr Wolters doesn't have that luxury.
I can understand why he is being cautious and he is to be commended for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 09:30:14 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 02, 2020, 09:21:45 AM
"In Germany, once you have been acquitted, you cannot be charged again, at least only in very exceptional cases.

"If we now are hasty and he was acquitted because the court said 'Ah, we still have a few doubts' then we would not be able to get him later."

Controversy surrounding Germany's double jeopardy law reared its head after a taxi driver was acquitted of raping and killing a child, however years later after technological advances, his DNA was matched to a sperm sample at the scene.

Wolters told the Mirror it was clear the taxi driver was guilty, but he could not be charged again, describing it as "so tragic".
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-admit-to-major-risks-of-charging-prime-suspect/56VZLIEFKHCC4Z5UK3FP2Z4FY4/


The double jeopardy rule has been dropped in Scotland which allows acquitted individuals to be tried again for the same crime should compelling new evidence become available  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29916169 Herr Wolters doesn't have that luxury.
I can understand why he is being cautious and he is to be commended for it.
Welcome to the party that started about a year ago.
Old news.

....and there's a fine line between being 'cautious' and trying to smash a square dowel in a round hole.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 09:34:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 09:29:50 PM
Evidence is not proof.... I can see that but you obviously cant
Let's stop collating evidence then shall we?
How else do you build a case?

.....'erm......yes Your Honours, the prosecution rests, we have not presented any evidence whatsoever because we believe it's not proof, so we couldn't be arsed'.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 09:39:47 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 02, 2020, 09:21:45 AM
"In Germany, once you have been acquitted, you cannot be charged again, at least only in very exceptional cases.

"If we now are hasty and he was acquitted because the court said 'Ah, we still have a few doubts' then we would not be able to get him later."

Controversy surrounding Germany's double jeopardy law reared its head after a taxi driver was acquitted of raping and killing a child, however years later after technological advances, his DNA was matched to a sperm sample at the scene.

Wolters told the Mirror it was clear the taxi driver was guilty, but he could not be charged again, describing it as "so tragic".
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-admit-to-major-risks-of-charging-prime-suspect/56VZLIEFKHCC4Z5UK3FP2Z4FY4/


The double jeopardy rule has been dropped in Scotland which allows acquitted individuals to be tried again for the same crime should compelling new evidence become available  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29916169 Herr Wolters doesn't have that luxury.
I can understand why he is being cautious and he is to be commended for it.

I suspected this and made a post around a month ago. Its the last piece in the jigsaw to understanding why the delay. It show To me that HCW far from being inept, as some would like to think, is a very thorough and shrewd operator.
As CB is serving his sentence in Brunswick it may well have been Wolters who secured the rape conviction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 09:42:09 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 09:34:42 AM
Let's stop collating evidence then shall we?
How else do you build a case?

.....'erm......yes Your Honours, the prosecution rests, we have not presented any evidence whatsoever because we believe it's not proof, so we couldn't be arsed'.

Are you just acting the fool... You surely must be.. The prosecution produces evidence.. Not proof. It's for the judge to decide if the evidence presented represents proof
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 09:42:09 AM
Are you just acting the fool... You surely must be.. The prosecution produces evidence.. Not proof. It's for the judge to decide if the evidence presented represents proof
I'll say it again. Why bother collating evidence then? Anything can be evidence, however seemingly minor or irrelevant.

Faith stated: If Wolter had evidence that Brueckner had been in 5a that would be a slam dunk. Surely even you can see that?

If HCW had such evidence, what's he going to do, not bring it to the judges attention? He would build his whole case on it! It's evidence. You're suggesting that, because it's not proof, it's inadmissible. You are super wrong and I expect a Trumpesque moonwalk any moment.
Unless you can describe to us your novel approach to prosecution laying out its case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 02, 2020, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 09:30:14 AM
Welcome to the party that started about a year ago.
Old news.

....and there's a fine line between being 'cautious' and trying to smash a square dowel in a round hole.

I fully understand and appreciate the chagrin evidenced in the majority of your posts revealing your distress at the present turn of events signalling your time is over.

The party to which you refer started a long time before a year ago.  2007 to be exact.  Perhaps it is time for you to try to get an invite instead of standing outside spitting ineffectually at the windows.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 02, 2020, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
I'll say it again. Why bother collating evidence then? Anything can be evidence, however seemingly minor or irrelevant.

Faith stated: If Wolter had evidence that Brueckner had been in 5a that would be a slam dunk. Surely even you can see that?

If HCW had such evidence, what's he going to do, not bring it to the judges attention? He would build his whole case on it! It's evidence.
Unless you can describe to us your novel approach to prosecution laying out its case?

From what I can gather he hasn't even managed to place CB in Praia da Luz on the evening of 3rd May 2007, let alone near or inside 5A. More importantly, he was unable to find the person who rang CB so didn't get confirmation that he was using the phone Wolters believes was his.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 02, 2020, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 02, 2020, 09:59:26 AM
From what I can gather he hasn't even managed to place CB in Praia da Luz on the evening of 3rd May 2007, let alone near or inside 5A. More importantly, he was unable to find the person who rang CB so didn't get confirmation that he was using the phone Wolters believes was his.

You know this ... how?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 02, 2020, 09:52:24 AM
I fully understand and appreciate the chagrin evidenced in the majority of your posts revealing your distress at the present turn of events signalling your time is over.

The party to which you refer started a long time before a year ago.  2007 to be exact.  Perhaps it is time for you to try to get an invite instead of standing outside spitting ineffectually at the windows.
Is that it?
You need to get some game, then come back and have another pop.

I can totally understand why my posts may be perceived by you as 'chagrin', that much is clear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
I'll say it again. Why bother collating evidence then? Anything can be evidence, however seemingly minor or irrelevant.

Faith stated: If Wolter had evidence that Brueckner had been in 5a that would be a slam dunk. Surely even you can see that?

If HCW had such evidence, what's he going to do, not bring it to the judges attention? He would build his whole case on it! It's evidence. You're suggesting that, because it's not proof, it's inadmissible. You are super wrong and I expect a Trumpesque moonwalk any moment.
Unless you can describe to us your novel approach to prosecution laying out its case?
I hope I do understand the difference between evidence and proof because as I explained to you I'm preparing to personally bring a prosecution.. Possibly in the Crown Court.

It's difficult to explain things when posters don't understand the difference.
Wolters has said his case is circumstantial.. What that means is that each piece of evidence on its own is worth little... A flimsy fine fibre. But if all these fibres are woven together they combine to form a strong cable.... Proof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 02, 2020, 09:59:26 AM
From what I can gather he hasn't even managed to place CB in Praia da Luz on the evening of 3rd May 2007, let alone near or inside 5A. More importantly, he was unable to find the person who rang CB so didn't get confirmation that he was using the phone Wolters believes was his.

From what I can gather he already has a reasonably strong case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 02, 2020, 10:10:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 10:08:35 AM
From what I can gather he already has a reasonably strong case

Why?  Has he been in touch? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 10:06:39 AM
I hope I do understand the difference between evidence and proof because as I explained to you I'm preparing to personally bring a prosecution.. Possibly in the Crown Court.

It's difficult to explain things when posters don't understand the difference.
Wolters has said his case is circumstantial.. What that means is that each piece of evidence on its own is worth little... A flimsy fine fibre. But if all these fibres are woven together they combine to form a strong cable.... Proof.
Billie Jean.

I'm sorry Dav, but you dismissed Faith's assertion out of hand, as if it didn't matter or was inadmissible. Now you're telling me it's a incy wincy strand.
But placing CB inside 5a would indeed be a 'Slam Dunk', as evidence, and, in fact, I'd totally change my mind, pay everyone here the £47 and move to the dark side.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 10:13:44 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 02, 2020, 10:10:06 AM
Why?  Has he been in touch?

Nope.. I'm not psychic but logical
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 10:16:21 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
I'll say it again. Why bother collating evidence then? Anything can be evidence, however seemingly minor or irrelevant.

Faith stated: If Wolter had evidence that Brueckner had been in 5a that would be a slam dunk. Surely even you can see that?

If HCW had such evidence, what's he going to do, not bring it to the judges attention? He would build his whole case on it! It's evidence. You're suggesting that, because it's not proof, it's inadmissible. You are super wrong and I expect a Trumpesque moonwalk any moment.
Unless you can describe to us your novel approach to prosecution laying out its case?

If I was seen putting a bottle of gin in my trolley a nd walking out of wsitrose  without paying.. If that was recorded on CCTV... That would be evidence of theft but not proof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 02, 2020, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 10:13:44 AM
Nope.. I'm not psychic but logical

Is that another way of saying that you made it up?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:16:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 10:13:44 AM
Nope.. I'm not psychic but logical
You're not even that.
You've managed to saddle yourself with the label as the man who can't decide whether the weight of evidence will ultimately constitute proof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 02, 2020, 10:17:28 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 10:16:21 AM
If I was seen putting a bottle of gin in my trolley a nd walking out of wsitrose  without paying.. If that was recorded on CCTV... That would be evidence of theft but not proof.

Is that a confession?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 02, 2020, 10:17:28 AM
Is that a confession?
If it had happened to me there is no way they would get a guilty verdict
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 10:16:21 AM
If I was seen putting a bottle of gin in my trolley a nd walking out of wsitrose  without paying.. If that was recorded on CCTV... That would be evidence of theft but not proof.
Some evidence is 'slam dunk' stuff. DNA, video surveillance, a confession; they're the gold standard. It's almost irrefutable (yes, CCTV i.e. Gilroy can be inconclusive). It's the stuff a prosecution wants the most as it is an almost dead cert for a conviction.
HCW clearly has none of this - no DNA, no confession, nothing placing him at the scene, save for an apparent phone call (which is actually, in itself, pretty flimsy circumstantial evidence).
If he had CB in that apartment, we wouldn't be sat here, we'd be back on the Vegetable Pickling Members Club Forum, chatting about the caper / gherkin fiasco of 2006.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:16:46 AM
You're not even that.
You've managed to saddle yourself with the label as the man who can't decide whether the weight of evidence will ultimately constitute proof.

I can't believe you just said that it is just so misguided... Misinformed and mis just about everything.
It's the judge who decides... Do you not understand that simple fact.

That's Wolters dilemma... Perhaps I just do understand the situation better than some
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 10:28:27 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:23:16 AM
Some evidence is 'slam dunk' stuff. DNA, video surveillance, a confession; they're the gold standard. It's almost irrefutable (yes, CCTV i.e. Gilroy can be inconclusive). It's the stuff a prosecution wants the most as it is an almost dead cert for a conviction.
HCW clearly has none of this - no DNA, no confession, nothing placing him at the scene, save for an apparent phone call (which is actually, in itself, pretty flimsy circumstantial evidence).
If he had CB in that apartment, we wouldn't be sat here, we'd be back on the Vegetable Pickling Members Club Forum, chatting about the caper / gherkin fiasco of 2006.

He hasn't said he can place CB in the apartment.. He infers he has evidence supporting it. That's the difference that you and others can't see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:37:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 10:26:07 AM
I can't believe you just said that it is just so misguided... Misinformed and mis just about everything.
It's the judge who decides... Do you not understand that simple fact.

That's Wolters dilemma... Perhaps I just do understand the situation better than some
You need to stop digging.
How do you propose they get to tell the judge anything? We've already established that there's a process of validation to even proceed. It has a funny German name that I can't remember, but, back in the day, a few of the lads were being processed through their system, mainly for drunken brawls with the locals.
The threshold needs to be met. The only way to a convince a judge to get an arrest warrant is to present, guess what....evidence. Not proof. The only way to convince a prosecutor to proceed is to.....you get the drift.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:40:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 10:28:27 AM
He hasn't said he can place CB in the apartment.. He infers he has evidence supporting it. That's the difference that you and others can't see
It was hypothetical. It was an example. I'm trying to show you how incongruous your assertion is. Evidence must be collated. You dismissed Faith's statement summarily as nonsense. You have it wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:40:10 AM
It was hypothetical. It was an example. I'm trying to show you how incongruous your assertion is. Evidence must be collated. You dismissed Faith's statement summarily as nonsense. You have it wrong.

I haven't got it wrong as you have shown... My response to faith should be seen in context..... Wolters has evidence.... It will be the judge who decides if his evidence constitutes proof. To a certain extent that's an unknown quantity..

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 10:51:41 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:37:48 AM
You need to stop digging.
How do you propose they get to tell the judge anything? We've already established that there's a process of validation to even proceed. It has a funny German name that I can't remember, but, back in the day, a few of the lads were being processed through their system, mainly for drunken brawls with the locals.
The threshold needs to be met. The only way to a convince a judge to get an arrest warrant is to present, guess what....evidence. Not proof. The only way to convince a prosecutor to proceed is to.....you get the drift.

It's a waste of time as you obviously don't understand the difference between evidence and proof.
Of course the evidence threshold has to be met... But that doesn't mean the evidence constitutes proof.
You want to make out I don't know what I'm talking about.. The fact is.. I do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:52:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 10:43:56 AM
I haven't got it wrong as you have shown... My response to faith should be seen in context..... Wolters has evidence.... It will be the judge who decides if his evidence constitutes proof. To a certain extent that's an unknown quantity..

I got the context.
Quote from: Davel on December 01, 2020, 09:29:50 PM
Evidence is not proof.... I can see that but you obviously cant
You're essentially saying, as usual, 'you're wrong and you don't understand'.
But she basically said what you've just eventually repeated back to me, post moonwalking to the back of the room. It's EVIDENCE that will eventually constitute PROOF once the judge rules in favour of the prosecution.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 11:01:08 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:52:41 AM
I got the context.You're essentially saying, as usual, 'you're wrong and you don't understand'.
But she basically said what you've just eventually repeated back to me, post moonwalking to the back of the room. It's EVIDENCE that will eventually constitute PROOF once the judge rules in favour of the prosecution.

I've made about ten posts to explain but you still don't understand... And you don't understand the context in which my reply to faith was made.
I even raised the double jeopardy point a month ago... I'm not just keeping up I'm ahead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 11:05:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 11:01:08 AM
I've made about ten posts to explain but you still don't understand... And you don't understand the context in which my reply to faith was made.
I even raised the double jeopardy point a month ago... I'm not just keeping up I'm ahead
Mate, you're in full Trump mode right now.
Which part don't I understand?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 11:11:54 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 10:16:46 AM
You're not even that.
You've managed to saddle yourself with the label as the man who can't decide whether the weight of evidence will ultimately constitute proof.

That's a pretty ridiculous post.. How can I possibly know if the evidence will constitute proof... That's for the judge to decide... As I've been saying for the pat 6 months
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 11:05:15 AM
Mate, you're in full Trump mode right now.
Which part don't I understand?

You don't understand the context re my reply to faith..
As for everything else I'm more than happy for you and whoever else to think I don't have a clue what I'm talking about... The same people who think HCW is an idiot.. I'm not bothered. I understand it perfectly as you will see in the coming months
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 11:34:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 11:11:54 AM
That's a pretty ridiculous post.. How can I possibly know if the evidence will constitute proof... That's for the judge to decide... As I've been saying for the pat 6 months
As I've elaborated at length several times, once a conviction has been sealed, this validates the evidence collated as proof, in legal terms. To even get to trial, not to mention an arrest, particularly in Germany, the evidence must be air tight - but it's always a gamble once the prosecutors agree the threshold has been met. In Germany the conviction rate is about 90% across the board, Japan runs at 99.9%.
So the board is already tilted in favour of the prosecution. In Britain they have a notional '51% rule', where they test whether to go to trial and be reasonably confident. In Germany that would be unthinkable and in Japan impossible.
They demand the weight of evidence is overwhelming, which I think is right.

Let's not forget, it wasn't that long ago that you were contesting that a conviction isn't a fact, when, in legal terms, it is!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 02, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 11:11:54 AM
That's a pretty ridiculous post.. How can I possibly know if the evidence will constitute proof... That's for the judge to decide... As I've been saying for the pat 6 months

You're quite capable of contradicting judges when it suits you though. Especially if they're Portuguese.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 11:41:08 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 02, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
You're quite capable of contradicting judges when it suits you though. Especially if they're Portuguese.
And you blindly think we shouldn't question any professional
My post says the judge decides... It doesn't say he's right because in many cases it's just an opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 02, 2020, 09:52:24 AM
I fully understand and appreciate the chagrin evidenced in the majority of your posts revealing your distress at the present turn of events signalling your time is over.

The party to which you refer started a long time before a year ago.  2007 to be exact.  Perhaps it is time for you to try to get an invite instead of standing outside spitting ineffectually at the windows.

Can I remind you that there’s a little girl at the centre of this. A little girl who, if you are right, has died at the hands of a viscous paedophile.

Perhaps you need to think about that before you start crowing ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Can I remind you that there’s a little girl at the centre of this. A little girl who, if you are right, has died at the hands of a viscous paedophile.

Perhaps you need to think about that before you start crowing ?

it isnt about crowing...if maddie was abducted by a paedophile its important that paedophile is brought to justice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Can I remind you that there’s a little girl at the centre of this. A little girl who, if you are right, has died at the hands of a viscous paedophile.

Perhaps you need to think about that before you start crowing ?
There's the rub. I don't think any of them actually believe in the Convenient Paedo tale. Not really. I see a lot of hedging of bets and dancing around the maypole.
I know nothing's certain, but at least I've got the fortitude to pin my colours to the mast. CB is not the Convenient Paedo you are looking for (one for the Star Wars fans there, which I assume are many).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 11:56:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 11:52:25 AM
it isnt about crowing...if maddie was abducted by a paedophile its important that paedophile is brought to justice
They can't even establish an abduction of any sort took place, never mind one involving a convenient paedo.
When they do, give us an update. With proof, not some notional, conjectural whimsy disguised as circumstantial evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 11:53:54 AM
There's the rub. I don't think any of them actually believe in the Convenient Paedo tale. Not really. I see a lot of hedging of bets and dancing around the maypole.
I know nothing's certain, but at least I've got the fortitude to pin my colours to the mast. CB is not the Convenient Paedo you are looking for (one for the Start Wars fans there, which I assume are many).

You certainly misunderstand my feelings and Im certainly not dancing round the maypole and I do beleive HCW has compelling evidence...so that makes you wrong there. Its  a tragic situation but its imprtant that if Maddie was abducted then her abductor is found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 11:59:23 AM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 11:56:48 AM
They can't even establish an abduction of any sort took place, never mind one involving a convenient paedo.
When they do, give us an update. With proof, not some notional, conjectural whimsy disguised as circumstantial evidence.

Im fairly certain HCW has proof of abduction...and I mean proof...not evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 12:00:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 11:58:11 AM
You certainly misunderstand my feelings and Im certainly not dancing round the maypole and I do beleive HCW has compelling evidence...so that makes you wrong there. Its  a tragic situation but its imprtant that if Maddie was abducted then her abductor is found.
I agree with that. If. Absolutely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 11:59:23 AM
Im fairly certain HCW has proof of abduction...and I mean proof...not evidence
Hol up......let's recap.
He has proof now, despite 'proof' being a judgement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 02, 2020, 12:03:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 11:41:08 AM
And you blindly think we shouldn't question any profesdional
My post says the judge decides... It doesn't say he's right because in many cases it's just an opinion

Compared to Germany, Portugal is very open about it's legal processes and decisions. If CB is taken to trial the evidence presented in court and the legal arguments of the judge or judges won't be made available to the public.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 12:03:50 PM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 12:00:30 PM
I agree with that. If. Absolutely.

That's the correct stance from someone who understands the assessment of evidence. Even Richard Dawkins describes himself as an agnostic...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 02, 2020, 12:03:35 PM
Compared to Germany, Portugal is very open about it's legal processes and decisions. If CB is taken to trial the evidence presented in court and the legal arguments of the judge or judges won't be made available to the public.

Im not sure how true that is.. There was quite some reporting of evidence in the rape case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 11:59:23 AM
Im fairly certain HCW has proof of abduction...and I mean proof...not evidence

Remember Brunt’s ‘100% DNA match to Madeleine” ? Did you believe him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 12:12:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 12:05:36 PM
Im not sure how true that is.. There was quite some reporting of evidence in the rape case

Yet despite me opening a thread which asked for evidence of Brueckner’s guilt in the rape case not one piece apart from the hair on the cat and the video that no one but Brueckner’s criminal buddies saw was forthcoming.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 12:07:31 PM
Remember Brunt’s ‘100% DNA match to Madeleine” ? Did you believe him?

I was prepared to consider... But I would want to hear the supporting evidence before believing it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 12:12:18 PM
Yet despite me opening a thread which asked for evidence of Brueckner’s guilt in the rape case not one piece apart from the hair on the cat and the video that no one but Brueckner’s criminal buddies saw was forthcoming.

Unless we had read the German papers we wouldn't know.. The hair wasn't on the cat by the way... More misinformation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 12:21:44 PM
I was prepared to consider... But I would want to hear the supporting evidence before believing it

And what supporting evidence have we heard from Wolter?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
Unless we had read the German papers we wouldn't know.. The hair wasn't on the cat by the way... More misinformation

Links to German newspaper sites are posted here all the time. Strange we haven’t seen all this evidence that was reported.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 02, 2020, 12:36:56 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 12:30:57 PM
And what supporting evidence have we heard from Wolter?
We know he's looking for a mystery caller to CB on that fateful night (on CB's own phone, registered to him upon purchase of the plan, which is utterly incomprehensible on its own).
So there's that. Quite compelling, I think you'll agree.
Then there's the fact that MM isn't around any more.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 02, 2020, 12:49:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
Unless we had read the German papers we wouldn't know.. The hair wasn't on the cat by the way... More misinformation

There seems to be coverage which is not reported here.

For example I now know part of the sexual allegations made about him which has not been mentioned in MSM here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 12:30:57 PM
And what supporting evidence have we heard from Wolter?

You seem to be equating statements from Brunt with those fro Wolters.... That's not very clever
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 12:36:56 PM
We know he's looking for a mystery caller to CB on that fateful night (on CB's own phone, registered to him upon purchase of the plan, which is utterly incomprehensible on its own).
So there's that. Quite compelling, I think you'll agree.
Then there's the fact that MM isn't around any more.

Of you want to believe that's all he has.. Your choice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 01:18:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 12:34:51 PM
Links to German newspaper sites are posted here all the time. Strange we haven’t seen all this evidence that was reported.

You don't seem to understand what's been happening.. The hair wasn't on the cat
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 01:17:33 PM
Come on Dav, the last sentence could be construed as goading. Keep it clean.

Do you think it's a valid comparison... Faith continually goads...

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on December 02, 2020, 01:31:23 PM
Seasons Greetings to everyone.

I really don't want to hand out bans at this time of year but if the sniping and goading doesn't cease, that is exactly what will happen.

Members and particularly established members know very well that poor conduct will result in sanctions so please be respectful of each others point of view and above all, please keep comments factual and polite.

Admin
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 02:23:53 PM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 12:36:56 PM
We know he's looking for a mystery caller to CB on that fateful night (on CB's own phone, registered to him upon purchase of the plan, which is utterly incomprehensible on its own).
So there's that. Quite compelling, I think you'll agree.
Then there's the fact that MM isn't around any more.

To clarify...there are areas in your education where you leave me standing. You worshipped your Eng Eng teacher so perhaps thats your background ....or you've read a lot..particularly milittary non fiction. Your use of words and phrases are exceptional... faith is good at a one line put down.

My background is in science which teaches how to evaluate evidence. Its something Ive done all my professional life and I think Im pretty good at it. Wolters has something significant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 02, 2020, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: The General on December 02, 2020, 08:06:07 AM
You have a good point there. Talk about shunting all your eggs in one......erm......egg.....carrying......device......box.....BASKET.
If this one doesn't pan out, which it won't (It's now £47 per person here, Paypalled direct), then it gets consigned to the 'Nobody Knows' bin and we will all be sat here ad infinitum - so more than others because most of you are old gits and probably only have a few years of life left.

A old school pal just recently died aged but 63, a ex work colleague only saw 8 yrs of retirement before he passed on last month, treat every day as your last, it will be one day, and they think moderating makes one care,pah!.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 02, 2020, 05:56:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Can I remind you that there’s a little girl at the centre of this. A little girl who, if you are right, has died at the hands of a viscous paedophile.

Perhaps you need to think about that before you start crowing ?

Yep as long as its a dirty pervert that done for the girl with out a shred of evidence thats ok, the legend is writ and boy is it going to run.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 02, 2020, 05:56:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 02, 2020, 05:51:01 PM
A old school pal just recently died aged but 63, a ex work colleague only saw 8 yrs of retirement before he passed on last month, treat every day as your last, it will be one day, and they think moderating makes one care,pah!.
There are two types of retirement, one on the forum and the other off it.   If you know what's best you'll treasure your time here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 02, 2020, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 02, 2020, 05:56:54 PM
There are two types of retirement, one on the forum and the other off it.   If you know what's best you'll treasure your time here.

Is it going to top my pension up? I know whats best for me and its not advice from you, ta.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 02, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 02, 2020, 06:01:25 PM
Is it going to top my pension up? I know whats best for me and its not advice from you, ta.
Is one of the Seven Dwarfs called Grumpy?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 02, 2020, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 02, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Is one of the Seven Dwarfs called Grumpy?


Happy is the one I'd admire.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 02, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 02, 2020, 06:05:33 PM

Happy is the one I'd admire.
That was a surprise.  Could have fooled me. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 02, 2020, 06:07:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 02, 2020, 05:56:13 PM
Yep as long as its a dirty pervert that done for the girl with out a shred of evidence thats ok, the legend is writ and boy is it going to run.

Of course, if Brueckner is thoroughly investigated and either never charged, or is charged and found not guilty, police will need to look elsewhere for their culprit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 02, 2020, 06:13:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 02, 2020, 06:07:18 PM
Of course, if Brueckner is thoroughly investigated and either never charged, or is charged and found not guilty, police will need to look elsewhere for their culprit.


Rock and a hard place, once declared they have  the prime suspect will they look for evidence that eliminates him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 02, 2020, 06:22:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 02, 2020, 06:13:31 PM

Rock and a hard place, once declared they have  the prime suspect will they look for evidence that eliminates him?

They should, but it will depend on how tunnel-visioned they are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 02, 2020, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 02, 2020, 06:07:18 PM
Of course, if Brueckner is thoroughly investigated and either never charged, or is charged and found not guilty, police will need to look elsewhere for their culprit.
IMO he won’t be charged unless there is sufficient evidence to virtually guarantee a conviction, but my feeling is the evidence against him already accumulated is strong enough (though circumstantial) that if he isn’t convicted the police and/or investigators will not be looking at anyone else, and will simply bid their time hoping something eventually turns up.  It’s like the Suzy Lamplugh case - everyone knows who dunnit but not enough evidence to charge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 06:50:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 02, 2020, 06:13:31 PM

Rock and a hard place, once declared they have  the prime suspect will they look for evidence that eliminates him?

Strange post. Surely its up to CB and his team to do that but from what weve heard he isnt going to bother and will say nothing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 06:52:19 PM
it seems the opinion of most open minde scepetics is quite closed..that is CB is innocent and theres no evidence against him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 02, 2020, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 06:52:19 PM
it seems the opinion of most open minde scepetics is quite closed..that is CB is innocent and theres no evidence against him.

That's because he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 02, 2020, 07:15:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 02, 2020, 07:12:11 PM
That's because he didn't do it.
You made your mind up on day one without any evidence at all.  That is the epitome of close mindedness IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 01:18:01 PM
You don't seem to understand what's been happening.. The hair wasn't on the cat

Was Brueckner convicted partly due to his hair being found in the victim’s home ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 02, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 07:37:43 PM
Was Brueckner convicted partly due to his hair being found in the victim’s home ?

Bodily hair apparently.   From what I understand he  claimed the hair could have got there via the woman's cat as he stroked the cat,  but forensic/police say if it had been from his head it could have been but it was from his body.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 02, 2020, 07:44:41 PM
I wonder if the PJ have kept the hairs they found in 5a.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 02, 2020, 07:50:07 PM
Quote from: Lace on December 02, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
Bodily hair apparently.   From what I understand he  claimed the hair could have got there via the woman's cat as he stroked the cat,  but forensic/police say if it had been from his head it could have been but it was from his body.

You've seen the forensic report ?
Or have you got this from the media?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 07:52:22 PM
Quote from: Lace on December 02, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
Bodily hair apparently.   From what I understand he  claimed the hair could have got there via the woman's cat as he stroked the cat,  but forensic/police say if it had been from his head it could have been but it was from his body.

I hadn’t seen that. Do you have a cite ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 02, 2020, 08:07:51 PM
Perhaps one of you sceptics (sceptical that CB raped an old woman) could explain how it is that a hair came to be found i the woman’s house which remained unidentified until much later when his associates came forward to say they had seen CB raping the woman on a video?  What are the chances that this hair arrived innocently in this woman’s bed, a hair that belonged to a man later fingered for the rape?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 02, 2020, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 02, 2020, 07:15:04 PM
You made your mind up on day one without any evidence at all.  That is the epitome of close mindedness IMO.

Actually, I happen to think it's very possible Brueckner could have abducted Maddie........

....had she not already died in the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 02, 2020, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 02, 2020, 08:07:51 PM
Perhaps one of you sceptics (sceptical that CB raped an old woman) could explain how it is that a hair came to be found i the woman’s house which remained unidentified until much later when his associates came forward to say they had seen CB raping the woman on a video?  What are the chances that this hair arrived innocently in this woman’s bed, a hair that belonged to a man later fingered for the rape?

Chain of custody?

If the rape was "brutal" I'm surprised the perp didn't leave behind more biological samples?  How can a "brutal" rape leave behind a single body hair?

FF describes the witnesses as the worst type.

No independent witnesses have seen the alleged video footage.

The victim did not identify CB as the perp.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 02, 2020, 10:04:03 PM
Chain of custody?

If the rape was "brutal" I'm surprised the perp didn't leave behind more biological samples?  How can a "brutal" rape leave behind a single body hair?

FF describes the witnesses as the worst type.

No independent witnesses have seen the alleged video footage.

The victim did not identify CB as the perp.

Who said the victim didn't identify him
There may have been other samples or perhaps the PJ didnt do a proper job taking or keeping them. Rape was in 2005 as I recall.. Trial in 2018 or thereabouts... Looks like a good job by the German prosecutor... It was in Brunswick so probably HCW
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 02, 2020, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 02, 2020, 10:04:03 PM
Chain of custody?

If the rape was "brutal" I'm surprised the perp didn't leave behind more biological samples?  How can a "brutal" rape leave behind a single body hair?

FF describes the witnesses as the worst type.

No independent witnesses have seen the alleged video footage.

The victim did not identify CB as the perp.

It is perfectly possible that there could have been quite a lot of DNA evidence left at the scene of the brutal rape in the villa.

Neither a tee shirt which had been stuffed in the victim's mouth to gag her or the rope used to tie her hands together were tested.

Snip
Official documents show Carlos Farinha, then Director of the Judicial Police's Forensic Science Laboratory, wrote in a November 2009 letter: 'We have learned by telephone that the examination is no longer necessary. We are therefore cancelling the tests and returning the material sent to us for analysis. 'https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8477199/Police-failed-DNA-test-evidence-led-capture-Maddies-prime-suspect.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 11:01:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 10:21:13 PM
Who said the victim didn't identify him
There may have been other samples or perhaps the PJ didnt do a proper job taking or keeping them. Rape was in 2005 as I recall.. Trial in 2018 or thereabouts... Looks like a good job by the German prosecutor... It was in Brunswick so probably HCW

Who said the victim did identify him ?

A lot of mays and perhapses in your second sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 02, 2020, 11:03:23 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 11:01:35 PM
Who said the victim did identify him ?

A lot of mays and perhapses in your second sentence.

Are you another one questioning his guilt for the rape
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 02, 2020, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 02, 2020, 10:04:03 PM
Chain of custody?

If the rape was "brutal" I'm surprised the perp didn't leave behind more biological samples?  How can a "brutal" rape leave behind a single body hair?

FF describes the witnesses as the worst type.

No independent witnesses have seen the alleged video footage.

The victim did not identify CB as the perp.
Can you explain what you mean by chain of custody?  Brückner’s hair turns up in the woman’s bed  so is it sheer coincidence that it is Brückner’s pals id him as the perp much later?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 02, 2020, 11:31:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 11:03:23 PM
Are you another one questioning his guilt for the rape
What is very clear to me is that even if forensic evidence placed Brückner in Apartment 5a, sceptics would still believe him completely innocent of involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 11:31:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 02, 2020, 11:03:23 PM
Are you another one questioning his guilt for the rape

I’m asking what evidence lead to his conviction.

So far we have one body hair, with or without a root.
One alleged video which no one apart from Brueckner’s criminal accomplices ever saw.

Haven’t you ever heard of police desperate to convict someone feeding a compromised ‘friend’ crime scene information in order to secure that conviction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 02, 2020, 11:52:29 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 02, 2020, 10:27:21 PM
It is perfectly possible that there could have been quite a lot of DNA evidence left at the scene of the brutal rape in the villa.

Neither a tee shirt which had been stuffed in the victim's mouth to gag her or the rope used to tie her hands together were tested.

Snip
Official documents show Carlos Farinha, then Director of the Judicial Police's Forensic Science Laboratory, wrote in a November 2009 letter: 'We have learned by telephone that the examination is no longer necessary. We are therefore cancelling the tests and returning the material sent to us for analysis. 'https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8477199/Police-failed-DNA-test-evidence-led-capture-Maddies-prime-suspect.html

Isn’t it odd that a hair was analysed but not the rope and tshirt used in the attack ?

Further did the German police ever investigate whether the rope and tshirt were still available for forensic testing ? Bit shoddy if they didn’t.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 03, 2020, 12:06:29 AM
Moved to relevant thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 03, 2020, 02:13:11 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2020, 03:07:21 PM

I'm looking forward to the cadaver dogs alerting in his Winnebago & it not meaning anything.

I would like cadaver dogs going all over all his vehicles.  Am not sure how reliable the results would be after all this time tho' … and they don't prove anything, just a possible indicator
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 03, 2020, 02:56:20 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 03, 2020, 02:13:11 AM
I would like cadaver dogs going all over all his vehicles.  Am not sure how reliable the results would be after all this time tho' … and they don't prove anything, just a possible indicator
If the dogs did alert it would certainly put extra pressure on him.  Maybe enough to get a confession, but IMO he'd be a rather hard nut to crack with his history.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 03, 2020, 06:05:58 AM
Caveat, brit rags.With the added bonus of a sauce.

Madeleine McCann prime suspect 'WILL be charged': German prosecutors are 'confident' they have 'concrete evidence' against paedophile Christian Brueckner


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9012369/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-charged-German-prosecutors-say.html
A source close to the probe told The Sun: 'Things are moving along in the case and there have been several promising leads and tips, especially from British holidaymakers who were in Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 03, 2020, 06:20:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 03, 2020, 06:05:58 AM
Caveat, brit rags.With the added bonus of a sauce.

Madeleine McCann prime suspect 'WILL be charged': German prosecutors are 'confident' they have 'concrete evidence' against paedophile Christian Brueckner


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9012369/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-charged-German-prosecutors-say.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9012369/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-charged-German-prosecutors-say.html)
A source close to the probe told The Sun: 'Things are moving along in the case and there have been several promising leads and tips, especially from British holidaymakers who were in Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.
That sounds like good news, even though it's bad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 03, 2020, 06:27:38 AM
Quote from: Myster on December 03, 2020, 06:20:11 AM
That sounds like good news, even though it's bad.
You don't honestly believe the story do you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 03, 2020, 06:39:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 03, 2020, 06:27:38 AM
You don't honestly believe the story do you?
Like Davel, I think Wolters and the BKA are not bluffing when they say they have some firm evidence at least. I only wish I had his unbridled confidence that this will result in a successful conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 03, 2020, 06:58:39 AM
He is going to be charged with 3 other sex crimes, at the moment he is not going to be charged with the death of Madeleine McCann. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 07:43:45 AM
Quote from: Myster on December 03, 2020, 06:39:38 AM
Like Davel, I think Wolters and the BKA are not bluffing when they say they have some firm evidence at least. I only wish I had his unbridled confidence that this will result in a successful conviction.

I've never said the evidence will lead to a successful conviction... That's an unknown
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 07:52:31 AM
Quote from: Myster on December 03, 2020, 06:39:38 AM
Like Davel, I think Wolters and the BKA are not bluffing when they say they have some firm evidence at least. I only wish I had his unbridled confidence that this will result in a successful conviction.

On what basis do you believe the BKA over the alleged leak from PJ:

Last week, a leaked memo revealed that Portuguese investigators were 'shocked' by the lack of concrete evidence after being briefed on the case against Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 03, 2020, 08:00:41 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 07:52:31 AM
On what basis do you believe the BKA over the alleged leak from PJ:

Last week, a leaked memo revealed that Portuguese investigators were 'shocked' by the lack of concrete evidence after being briefed on the case against Brueckner.
As the source of the latter is probably Amaral then one can treat it with a large dose of scepticism imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 08:02:56 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 03, 2020, 08:00:41 AM
As the source of the latter is probably Amaral then one can treat it with a large dose of scepticism imo.

Why would GA have been present?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 03, 2020, 08:05:46 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 08:02:56 AM
Why would GA have been present?
Who said he was present?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 07:52:31 AM
On what basis do you believe the BKA over the alleged leak from PJ:

Last week, a leaked memo revealed that Portuguese investigators were 'shocked' by the lack of concrete evidence after being briefed on the case against Brueckner.

On the basis that HCW has said he hasn't shared his evidence with the Portuguese
On the basis that the PJ are rubbish and HCW has basically said so
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 03, 2020, 08:57:29 AM
It looks very much as though Brueckner is set to be charged with other sexual offences against children in Praia da Luz as the Germans continue building a case against him regarding Madeleine.

In my opinion this is one depraved man who just can't help himself in carrying out offences against innocent children whenever and wherever the opportunity presents itself.

Anyone wishing to leap to his defence is welcome to do so. Even if they are unaware of exactly what it is they are defending.  While bearing in mind that the Germans are working with what they consider to be compelling evidence and are confident of bringing further charges against him.

Madeleine McCann prime suspect 'WILL be charged': German prosecutors are 'confident' they have 'concrete evidence' against paedophile Christian Brueckner
'We are hopeful of a breakthrough. At the moment we do not have enough to charge him with Madeleine's disappearance but the evidence in the other cases is very strong.'https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9012369/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-charged-German-prosecutors-say.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 09:02:23 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 03, 2020, 08:05:46 AM
Who said he was present?

So you think one or more of those from PJ, who attended the alleged meeting, shared with GA who in turn leaked?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 03, 2020, 09:06:05 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 03, 2020, 08:05:46 AM
Who said he was present?

He didn't have to be present to know exactly which paedophile in a German jail was under investigation and to identify him by naming others who weren't in a podcast just last year.

In my opinion without that spoiler it is highly likely that we still would not know the focus of the German case (and that is as it should be when we see the dark regions being plumbed) but for this seriously flawed man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 09:06:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 08:19:31 AM
On the basis that HCW has said he hasn't shared his evidence with the Portuguese
On the basis that the PJ are rubbish and HCW has basically said so

Any evidence isn't the property of HCW its the property of BKA.  Did HCW attend the recent meeting between MET, PJ and BKA?

So HCW saying PJ are rubbish makes it so?  A bit like PJ saying they were shocked by the lack of evidence produced by BKA then. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 03, 2020, 09:10:23 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 09:02:23 AM
So you think one or more of those from PJ, who attended the alleged meeting, shared with GA who in turn leaked?

The evidence points that way for a man who has form for doing just that.

He was sacked for mouthing off to a journalist once too often and Sandra Felgueiras names him as a lying source.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 03, 2020, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 09:06:33 AM
Any evidence isn't the property of HCW its the property of BKA.  Did HCW attend the recent meeting between MET, PJ and BKA?

So HCW saying PJ are rubbish makes it so?  A bit like PJ saying they were shocked by the lack of evidence produced by BKA then.

These are the guys who in two incidents of rape and torture that we know about did not bother with forensic evidence which was returned to them untested in one instance and destroyed in the other.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 03, 2020, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 09:02:23 AM
So you think one or more of those from PJ, who attended the alleged meeting, shared with GA who in turn leaked?
Or more likely he just made it up from scratch to earn a few extra bob.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 09:35:33 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 09:06:33 AM
Any evidence isn't the property of HCW its the property of BKA.  Did HCW attend the recent meeting between MET, PJ and BKA?

So HCW saying PJ are rubbish makes it so?  A bit like PJ saying they were shocked by the lack of evidence produced by BKA then.

It isn't just HCW saying so it's the cumulative evidence over the past 13 years

You surely must see HCW saying that is significant re the Pj's response
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 03, 2020, 01:06:01 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 03, 2020, 09:06:05 AM
He didn't have to be present to know exactly which paedophile in a German jail was under investigation and to identify him by naming others who weren't in a podcast just last year.

In my opinion without that spoiler it is highly likely that we still would not know the focus of the German case (and that is as it should be when we see the dark regions being plumbed) but for this seriously flawed man.

Glad you included IMO because the facts don’t support that opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 03, 2020, 05:50:51 PM

SY obviously don't accept the German stance.


At the time, the Met said its active investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, Operation Grange, is a missing person inquiry as there is no “definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead”.

Dame Cressida told reporters on Thursday, the nature of the investigation has not changed.

https://www.largsandmillportnews.com/news/national-news/18918858.scotland-yard-will-continue-missing-madeleine-mccann-probe/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 06:13:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 03, 2020, 05:50:51 PM
SY obviously don't accept the German stance.


At the time, the Met said its active investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, Operation Grange, is a missing person inquiry as there is no “definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead”.

Dame Cressida told reporters on Thursday, the nature of the investigation has not changed.

https://www.largsandmillportnews.com/news/national-news/18918858.scotland-yard-will-continue-missing-madeleine-mccann-probe/

I would say they fully accept the German stance..I seem to remeber it being explained in june
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 03, 2020, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 06:13:10 PM
I would say they fully accept the German stance..I seem to remeber it being explained in june

SY still consider it a missing persons case, Dick is quoted has saying so, the Germans are convinced the girl is dead, you've told us often enough, there is a disconnect between the investigations, admittedly the Germans it seems aren't sharing all their evidence but from what Dick says its clear what they have shared leaves SY far from being convinced CB did for Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 06:32:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 03, 2020, 06:19:10 PM
SY still consider it a missing persons case, Dick is quoted has saying so, the Germans are convinced the girl is dead, you've told us often enough, there is a disconnect between the investigations, admittedly the Germans it seems aren't sharing all their evidence but from what Dick says its clear what they have shared leaves SY far from being convinced CB did for Madeleine.

No disconnect apart from the fact that HCW hasnt shared his evidence and as HCW said..as I recall...a difference in culture. As there is no proof MM is dead  Sy regard it as  a missing person case. The germans have the evidence and are convinced MM is dead and regard it as  a murder case...I think you are making something out of nothing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 03, 2020, 06:36:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 06:32:17 PM
No disconnect apart from the fact that HCW hasnt shared his evidence and as HCW said..as I recall...a difference in culture. As there is no proof MM is dead  Sy regard it as  a missing person case. The germans have the evidence and are convinced MM is dead and regard it as  a murder case...I think you are making something out of nothing

Your desperation for this to be true really is palpable.

It really is distasteful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 06:41:26 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 03, 2020, 06:36:53 PM
Your desperation for this to be true really is palpable.

It really is distasteful.
A cheap attempt at pointscoring. You obviously undersatnd I dont value your opinion in the slightest
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 03, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 06:13:10 PM
I would say they fully accept the German stance..I seem to remeber it being explained in june
We want the current view not some historic view.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 03, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
We want the current view not some historic view.

You should know that you cant understand the present without understanding history
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 03, 2020, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 06:41:26 PM
A cheap attempt at pointscoring. You obviously undersatnd I dont value your opinion in the slightest

I’m sure most right minded people would feel the same.

Poor Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 06:49:44 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 03, 2020, 06:46:20 PM
I’m sure most right minded people would feel the same.

Poor Madeleine.

I dont think you would have  a clue how  a right minded person would think. Could you stop the insults..remember this is a tragedy...not you trying to score points on an interent forum. poor maddie....and poor maddies family
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 03, 2020, 06:53:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 06:49:44 PM
I dont think you would have  a clue how  a right minded person would think. Could you stop the insults..remember this is a tragedy...not you trying to score points on an interent forum. poor maddie....and poor maddies family

You have lost the right to take the moral high ground some time back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 07:01:33 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 03, 2020, 06:53:37 PM
You have lost the right to take the moral high ground some time back.

i dont think you understand the meaning of the word.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 03, 2020, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 06:49:44 PM
I dont think you would have  a clue how  a right minded person would think. Could you stop the insults..remember this is a tragedy...not you trying to score points on an interent forum. poor maddie....and poor maddies family
That is ad hom.  It is at the limit of what I will allow. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 03, 2020, 07:04:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 06:32:17 PM
No disconnect apart from the fact that HCW hasnt shared his evidence and as HCW said..as I recall...a difference in culture. As there is no proof MM is dead  Sy regard it as  a missing person case. The germans have the evidence and are convinced MM is dead and regard it as  a murder case...I think you are making something out of nothing

I'm not making anything out of anything, Dick says missing child, with no evidence either way Wolters says murder, never the twain shall meet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 07:07:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 03, 2020, 07:04:46 PM
I'm not making anything out of anything, Dick says missing child, with no evidence either way Wolters says murder, never the twain shall meet.

of course they can meet....when there is a resolution.  maddie is missing...almost certainly murdered unfortunately.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 03, 2020, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 07:07:10 PM
of course they can meet....when there is aresolution.  maddie is missing...almost certainly murdered unfortunately.

On who's say so, definitely not SY.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 03, 2020, 07:10:14 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 03, 2020, 07:04:17 PM
That is ad hom.  It is at the limit of what I will allow.
It was Faithlilly flinging the insults first, have a word, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 07:10:59 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 03, 2020, 07:08:18 PM
On who's say so, definitely not SY.

You dont know that....so imo you are definitely wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 03, 2020, 07:04:17 PM
That is ad hom.  It is at the limit of what I will allow.
in response to a goading post

faith has directed several ad homs towards me which you have ignored...i think faith deliberately goads in order to get  a response...there is no need for it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 03, 2020, 08:25:50 PM
Mr Wolters was asked when they have realised that Madeleine was deceased. He responded ‘during the past two years’. This would coincide with the 8000 video/photo images in their search for Inga Gehricke. In my opinion, that process would have been cumbersome to analyse and document.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 03, 2020, 09:01:13 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 03, 2020, 08:25:50 PM
Mr Wolters was asked when they have realised that Madeleine was deceased. He responded ‘during the past two years’. This would coincide with the 8000 video/photo images in their search for Inga Gehricke. In my opinion, that process would have been cumbersome to analyse and document.

If there is a supposed  image of Madeleine, who confirmed it? I would surmise from Dick's words of still treating it as a missing persons case any image is not that of Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 03, 2020, 09:05:23 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 03, 2020, 09:01:13 PM
If there is a supposed  image of Madeleine, who confirmed it? I would surmise from Dick's words of still treating it as a missing persons case any image is not that of Madeleine.

SY are not aware what evidence Hcw has
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 03, 2020, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 03, 2020, 09:01:13 PM
If there is a supposed  image of Madeleine, who confirmed it? I would surmise from Dick's words of still treating it as a missing persons case any image is not that of Madeleine.

Was just watching again Brunt’s piece about Brueckner in which it said that after OG interviewed Brueckner’s friend Brucshing in Greece the focus of their investigation changed. It doesn’t seem for long if Dick’s words are to be believed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 03, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 03, 2020, 09:01:13 PM
If there is a supposed  image of Madeleine, who confirmed it? I would surmise from Dick's words of still treating it as a missing persons case any image is not that of Madeleine.
This was the purpose of several threads, now deleted, to help people determine what image is or isn't Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 03, 2020, 10:16:23 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 03, 2020, 07:04:46 PM
I'm not making anything out of anything, Dick says missing child, with no evidence either way Wolters says murder, never the twain shall meet.
But surely you must disagree with Dick and think she is completely wrong?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 05:53:59 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 07:01:33 PM
i dont think you understand the meaning of the word morals..
Davel I agree that your post is goading.  Did you mean to report your own post?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 06:59:19 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 03, 2020, 10:16:23 PM
But surely you must disagree with Dick and think she is completely wrong?
Go on then seeing has you suggest I must agree with Dick, why would that be?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 04, 2020, 07:09:30 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 06:59:19 AM
Go on then seeing has you suggest I must agree with Dick, why would that be?
Pardon?  I’m suggesting you must disagree with her, yet you are using her words to argue that the Germans must be wrong in their certainty Madeleine is dead (which is surely your belief  also?)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 05:53:59 AM
Davel I agree that your post is goading.  Did you mean to report your own post?

I've reported several of faiths post... Can you not see that they are goading...

The rule is criticise the post not the poster. Faith made several ad hom posts.. Others noticed too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 08:07:38 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 03, 2020, 06:36:53 PM
Your desperation for this to be true really is palpable.

It really is distasteful.

this is faiths post that started the exchange..its ad hom.....I reported it...you were moderating...you took no action
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 08:09:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 07:54:39 AM
I've reported several of faiths post... Can you not see that they are goading...

The rule is criticise the post not the poster. Faith made several ad hom posts.. Others noticed too
The point I'm making is that you ought to report her post not your own.  Also don't reply to a post you report or plan to report. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 04, 2020, 08:10:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 08:07:38 AM
this is faiths post that started the exchange..its ad hom.....I reported it...you were moderating...you took no action
I think Rob has Faithlilly on ignore (not helpful if you’re a moderator!)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 08:13:22 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 08:09:53 AM
The point I'm making is that you ought to report her post not your own.  Also don't reply to a post you report or plan to report.

AFAIAA I didnt report my own post...I willl reply to any post I like. Did you not see faiths ad homs?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 08:19:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 03, 2020, 09:05:23 PM
SY are not aware what evidence Hcw has

How have you arrived at the above?

CD said yesterday:

Despite the close co-operation, she said she did not expect "every single piece of material to be shared with us".

"I'm sure they're sharing the relevant things at the relevant times with us," Dame Cressida said.

If the BKA have evidence MM is dead and/or CB was involved in her abduction then that would surely count as "relevant"? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 08:24:26 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 08:19:09 AM
How have you arrived at the above?

CD said yesterday:

Despite the close co-operation, she said she did not expect "every single piece of material to be shared with us".

"I'm sure they're sharing the relevant things at the relevant times with us," Dame Cressida said.

If the BKA have evidence MM is dead and/or CB was involved in her abduction then that would surely count as "relevant"?

Have you read the whole article. Its clear from it and from previous sateemnts HCW is not sharing the crucial evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 08:13:22 AM
AFAIAA I didnt report my own post...I willl reply to any post I like. Did you not see faiths ad homs?
I'm telling you, you did.  I didn't think they were as bad as yours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 08:32:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 08:24:26 AM
Have you read the whole article. Its clear from it and from previous sateemnts HCW is not sharing the crucial evidence.

As I've said previously it is not HCW's evidence to decide who gets what.  BKA gather evidence and it will be for BKA hierarchy to decide what info to share with counterparts in different jurisdictions. 

The recent meeting in Portugal involved PJ, MET and BKA not spokespersons from prosecutors offices/lawyers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 08:13:22 AM
AFAIAA I didnt report my own post...I willl reply to any post I like. Did you not see faiths ad homs?
Some time back we were asked by John to NOT reply to a post you report or plan to report. It makes the moderator's job more difficult.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 08:40:04 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 08:32:50 AM
As I've said previously it is not HCW's evidence to decide who gets what.  BKA gather evidence and it will be for BKA hierarchy to decide what info to share with counterparts in different jurisdictions. 

The recent meeting in Portugal involved PJ, MET and BKA not spokespersons from prosecutors offices/lawyers.

Indeed, join the dots, there are reports that the PJ are far from convinced the BKA have evidence of murder, a report in the brit rags tell of CB being charged, the very next day coincidently or not, the Commissioner to the MET Dame Cressida Dick says they (SY) are still treating its as a missing persons case, what ever the Germans have is far from convincing, wood for the tree's.


Just a reminder.

Dame Cressida said that the Met's position had not changed since the summer, when the force said its investigation - Operation Grange - remained a missing person inquiry as there is no "definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55181357
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 08:42:48 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 03, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
This was the purpose of several threads, now deleted, to help people determine what image is or isn't Madeleine.

My point is who would identify such photo if it existed which it clearly doesn't imo, she was gone on the night of 3/05/2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 08:42:48 AM
My point is who would identify such photo if it existed which it clearly doesn't imo, she was gone on the night of 3/05/2007.

And photographed afterwards...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 08:48:05 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 08:32:50 AM
As I've said previously it is not HCW's evidence to decide who gets what.  BKA gather evidence and it will be for BKA hierarchy to decide what info to share with counterparts in different jurisdictions. 

The recent meeting in Portugal involved PJ, MET and BKA not spokespersons from prosecutors offices/lawyers.

HCW has said precisely why he hasn't revealed the evidence.. It's to do with prejudicing witness testimony at any trial. You are free to believe that he is continually lying.. My view is he seems very capable and shrewd
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 08:50:00 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 08:38:56 AM
Some time back we were asked by John to NOT reply to a post you report or plan to report. It makes the moderator's job more difficult.

I shouldn't have to report a post that is so obviously ad hom when you are reading the forum... But I will try what you have suggested
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 08:53:00 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
And photographed afterwards...

Once again who would identify such a photo if it exists, it clearly doesn't for Dame Dick to say there's no evidence of the girls death. Dame Dick would not go out on a limb surely  if there was a remote chance Charlie boy had one.

Circumstantial at best, he said she said he said CB was the one that dunnit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 08:55:10 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 08:53:00 AM
Once again who would identify such a photo if it exists, it clearly doesn't for Dame Dick to say there's no evidence of the girls death. Dame Dick would not go out on a limb surely  if there was a remote chance Charlie boy had one.

Circumstantial at best, he said she said he said CB was the one that dunnit.

The evidence has not been shared with Dick... Read the full article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
And photographed afterwards...

There is a scenario where this is possible I'll admit, but I'll not share it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 08:55:10 AM
The evidence has not been shared with Dick... Read the full article.


"Relevant", read the article. For CB to be the one, the victim has to be identified. Wood for the tree's Davel, CB is not the one, back to the drawing board old chap.

"I'm sure they're sharing the relevant things at the relevant times with us," Dame Cressida said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 09:02:01 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 08:32:50 AM
As I've said previously it is not HCW's evidence to decide who gets what.  BKA gather evidence and it will be for BKA hierarchy to decide what info to share with counterparts in different jurisdictions. 

The recent meeting in Portugal involved PJ, MET and BKA not spokespersons from prosecutors offices/lawyers.

continues."

Despite the close co-operation, she said she did not expect "every single piece of material to be shared with us".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 09:55:17 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 08:59:11 AM

"Relevant", read the article. For CB to be the one, the victim has to be identified. Wood for the tree's Davel, CB is not the one, back to the drawing board old chap.

"I'm sure they're sharing the relevant things at the relevant times with us," Dame Cressida said.

At the relevant time she says..... That's important. HCW has made it clear he is not sharing his concrete evidence... Because it may hinder any future trial... That's trial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 04, 2020, 10:05:55 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 09:55:17 AM
At the relevant time she says..... That's important. HCW has made it clear he is not sharing his concrete evidence... Because it may hinder any future trial... That's trial
Are you seriously suggesting that this apparent collaboration between police forces gets together to compare notes, with the single aim of the group being to find Madeleine, yet one of the group maintains to everyone else on the planet that he has 'concrete' evidence that she is dead, but decides to keep the rest of the group in the dark about the context? The remainder of this group then accept this, but continue their search, one of whom is using UK taxpayer dollar in the process, when, according to HCW, they're utterly wasting their time, effort and resources?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: The General on December 04, 2020, 10:05:55 AM
Are you seriously suggesting that this apparent collaboration between police forces gets together to compare notes, with the single aim of the group being to find Madeleine, yet one of the group maintains to everyone else on the planet that he has 'concrete' evidence that she is dead, but decides to keep the rest of the group in the dark about the context? The remainder of this group then accept this, but continue their search, one of whom is using UK taxpayer dollar in the process, when, according to HCW, they're utterly wasting their time, effort and resources?

So it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 04, 2020, 10:28:24 AM
Funny how its ok to believe the newspaper when it suits.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 04, 2020, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
I'm telling you, you did.  I didn't think they were as bad as yours.

Sauce for the goose, Rob.  Anyway ~ this is not the thread or board to be discussing this on.

Try instead,  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=2.0
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 10:35:02 AM
Quote from: Lace on December 04, 2020, 10:28:24 AM
Funny how its ok to believe the newspaper when it suits.

True its always worth bearing in mind Rowley in 2017;There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.


But Dame Dick is directly quoted, not some sauce.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 10:35:02 AM
True its always worth bearing in mind Rowley in 2017;There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.


But Dame Dick is directly quoted, not some sauce.

From what I read in the article she says not everything has been shared and relevant details would be shared at the relevant time.

Now is not the relevant time
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 10:52:49 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 10:48:47 AM
From what I read in the article she says not everything has been shared and relevant details would be shared at the relevant time.

Now is not the relevant time
IYO,

You're clinging on by the finger tips, I said a covid vaccine would be found first before any charges, guess who's right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: The General on December 04, 2020, 10:05:55 AM
Are you seriously suggesting that this apparent collaboration between police forces gets together to compare notes, with the single aim of the group being to find Madeleine, yet one of the group maintains to everyone else on the planet that he has 'concrete' evidence that she is dead, but decides to keep the rest of the group in the dark about the context? The remainder of this group then accept this, but continue their search, one of whom is using UK taxpayer dollar in the process, when, according to HCW, they're utterly wasting their time, effort and resources?

Afaiaa.. SY is working closely with the Germans... It's what Dick has said
I don't see SY or the PJ investigating anyone apart from CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 10:52:49 AM
IYO,

You're clinging on by the finger tips, I said a covid vaccine would be found first before any charges, guess who's right.

Afaiaa I'm fully in the driving seat... I didn't disagree with the vaccine post. Its no great prediction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
Afaiaa I'm fully in the driving seat... I didn't disagree with the vaccine post. Its no great prediction

I'm glad not to be a passenger, its a car crash.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 04, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 10:53:29 AM
Afaiaa.. SY is working closely with the Germans... It's what Dick has said
So why is she still looking for a missing person?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
I'm glad not to be a passenger, its a car crash.

I think you and others have it all wrong.. Dick has confirmed not everything has been shared but you won't accept it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 11:05:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 10:58:48 AM
I think you and others have it all wrong.. Dick has confirmed not everything has been shared but you won't accept it


Do you honestly think a commissioner of the MET would declare they have no evidence whether the girl is alive or dead if there was a smidgen of evidence the Germans had that she was dead by their suspects hand? For years you've being telling the reader you're smarter that the average bear, don't let them down now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 11:14:57 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 11:05:51 AM

Do you honestly think a commissioner of the MET would declare they have no evidence whether the girl is alive or dead if there was a smidgen of evidence the Germans had that she was dead by their suspects hand? For years you've being telling the reader you're smarter that the average bear, don't let them down now.

There is evidence MM is dead... Evidence we are all aware of. Imo you are taking Dicks word and fitting them into your agenda.
I'm certainly smarter than average.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 04, 2020, 11:15:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 10:53:29 AM
Afaiaa.. SY is working closely with the Germans... It's what Dick has said
I don't see SY or the PJ investigating anyone apart from CB
Isn't 'working closely with the Germans' investigating?
Or is she negotiating Brexit too?
....keep digging, our kid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 04, 2020, 11:18:14 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 11:14:57 AM
There is evidence MM is dead... Evidence we are all aware of. Imo you are taking Dicks word and fitting them into your agenda.
I'm certainly smarter than average.
You know what they say, consider how thick the average person is, then consider that half of the population are thicker than that. So no real accolade you've just given yourself there pal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 11:14:57 AM
There is evidence MM is dead... Evidence we are all aware of. Imo you are taking Dicks word and fitting them into your agenda.
I'm certainly smarter than average.


I've no agenda, I'm directly quoting the words of Dame Cressida Dick. Wood for the trees.

Dame Cressida said that the Met's position had not changed since the summer, when the force said its investigation - Operation Grange - remained a missing person inquiry as there is no "definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 11:21:43 AM
I'm surprised or not that some posters cant see that a missing person may well have been murdered. Imo they are assuming SY think MM is still alive.. Which is absurd...

In reality it really is almost certain MM is dead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 11:20:35 AM

I've no agenda, I'm directly quoting the words of Dame Cressida Dick. Wood for the trees.

Dame Cressida said that the Met's position had not changed since the summer, when the force said its investigation - Operation Grange - remained a missing person inquiry as there is no "definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead".

its better when you quote. Your first calim was she said theres no evidence she is dead...you have now moved to definitive evidence. ...thats a massive difference but you seem to think they are both the same.

Is HCWs evidence definitive...we dont know
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 11:28:59 AM
Quote from: The General on December 04, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
So why is she still looking for a missing person?

a missing person could be  a dead missing person..its quite simple
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: The General on December 04, 2020, 11:18:14 AM
You know what they say, consider how thick the average person is, then consider that half of the population are thicker than that. So no real accolade you've just given yourself there pal.

Im not allowed to self accolade and I had alraedy considered everything in your post... Im way ahead of you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 11:37:42 AM
Enough of this smart than you stuff.  It is bordering on goading so stop.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 11:40:28 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 11:37:42 AM
Enough of this smart than you stuff.  It is bordering on goading so stop.

It was barrier who goaded re me smarter than the average bear... I merely said I'm smarter than average.. That isn't goading Rob.. Its defending myself
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 11:37:42 AM
Enough of this smart than you stuff.  It is bordering on goading so stop.

If the continued personal criticism of me by several posters could stop the forum might run smoother...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 04, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 11:28:59 AM
a missing person could be  a dead missing person..its quite simple
Yeh, I'm way ahead of you on that and, unfortunately that makes no sense. Here's why: if Cressida Dick thought / knew she was dead, then she would disband OG this morning. The political and public outcry for not doing so would be catastrophic. There's no way of explaining why she wouldn't, not even to appease the German police and not revealing their hand ahead of a charge, as she wouldn't be saying anything that isn't already in the public domain.
Imagine the parents if they found out they were being played by two police forces.
Dick doubled down again (careful wording required there). Her career would be finished if it later transpired that she knew she was dead and then used petty semantics to somehow assist HCW in his elaborate game of katz und maus - and didn't bother to tell the parents or stand her officers down.

Your take on this is indefensible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 12:25:11 PM
Quote from: The General on December 04, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
Yeh, I'm way ahead of you on that and, unfortunately that makes no sense. Here's why: if Cressida Dick thought / knew she was dead, then she would disband OG this morning. The political and public outcry for not doing so would be catastrophic. There's no way of explaining why she wouldn't, not even to appease the German police and not revealing their hand ahead of a charge, as she wouldn't be saying anything that isn't already in the public domain.
Imagine the parents if they found out they were being played by two police forces.
Dick doubled down again (careful wording required there). Her career would be finished if it later transpired that she knew she was dead and then used petty semantics to somehow assist HCW in his elaborate game of katz und maus - and didn't bother to tell the parents or stand her officers down.

Your take on this is indefensible.

Are you seriously suggesting SY don't believe Maddies is almost certainly dead... I would say even the McCann's realise this now.

I would also say the SY's role now is simply assisting the Germans.. As is Portugal

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 11:40:28 AM
It was barrier who goaded re me smarter than the average bear... I merely said I'm smarter than average.. That isn't goading Rob.. Its defending myself

Get off your high horse and take some piss taking,sheesh, talk about snowflake.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 12:32:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 11:28:11 AM
its better when you quote. Your first calim was she said theres no evidence she is dead...you have now moved to definitive evidence. ...thats a massive difference but you seem to think they are both the same.

Is HCWs evidence definitive...we dont know

No definitive evidence she is dead, ergo no evidence CB killed the girl, get over it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 04, 2020, 12:33:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 12:25:11 PM
Are you seriously suggesting SY don't believe Maddies is almost certainly dead... I would say even the McCann's realise this now.
Not the point. The odds are she is, and everyone knows that. But let's not muddy the waters here and stick to the topic in hand.
Not only is she dead, apparently, but Dick has been officially briefed, to a greater or lesser degree, by a senior German police officer who insists has 'concrete' evidence that she's dead. Confirmation. That's a far cry from the notion or assumption that she's dead.
But she hasn't pressed for the 'evidence' of death of a British citizen?
And again, playing a semantics game with the emotions of her family to give HCW a wee bit more time to wring the life out of it.
Patent inanity.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Get off your high horse and take some piss taking,sheesh, talk about snowflake.
In reality I'm not bothered but it seems a problem arises with Rob when I answer your post.. I do take it all with a pinch of salt. Perhaps you could explain to Rob that you are not a snowflake and are not offended by my posts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: The General on December 04, 2020, 12:33:30 PM
Not the point. The odds are she is, and everyone knows that. But let's not muddy the waters here and stick to the topic in hand.
Not only is she dead, apparently, but Dick has been officially briefed, to a greater or lesser degree, by a senior German police officer who insists has 'concrete' evidence that she's dead. Confirmation. That's a far cry from the notion or assumption that she's dead.
But she hasn't pressed for the 'evidence' of death of a British citizen?
And again, playing a semantics game with the emotions of her family to give HCW a wee bit more time to wring the life out of it.
Patent inanity.

Wolters has explained the bigger picture...I would say the McCanns and Sy accept his explanation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 12:44:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 12:39:53 PM
In reality I'm not bothered but it seems a problem arises with Rob when I answer your post.. I do take it all with a pinch of salt. Perhaps you could explain to Rob that you are not a snowflake and are not offended by my posts

I'm not in the least offended, underneath the hard exterior I suspect there's a soft centre.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 04, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 12:41:57 PM
Wolters has explained the bigger picture...I would say the McCanns and Sy accept his explanation

What do you think OG are spending their extra funding on?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 12:57:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 12:44:41 PM
I'm not in the least offended, underneath the hard exterior I suspect there's a soft centre.

I think we all share the common goal of justice for Madeleine... That's what matters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 04, 2020, 01:07:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 12:41:57 PM
Wolters has explained the bigger picture...I would say the McCanns and Sy accept his explanation

DCI Redwood made the situation patently clear when he acknowledged the possibility that Madeleine could be dead.

It is a possibility her parents have had to live with since her disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 01:12:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 12:57:10 PM
I think we all share the common goal of justice for Madeleine... That's what matters

Indeed, but imo too much water has flowed under the bridge for it to happen, save a confession.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 04, 2020, 01:12:31 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 04, 2020, 01:07:19 PM
DCI Redwood made the situation patently clear when he acknowledged the possibility that Madeleine could be dead.

It is a possibility her parents have had to live with since her disappearance.
Yes, quite.
Perhaps Cressida Dick has popped round to see the parents to convey the sad news that she's recently had confirmed. Assuming the worst since the start is one thing, but getting confirmation is quite another, as now all hope  that must have remained has been extinguished.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 04, 2020, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 04, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
What do you think OG are spending their extra funding on?
Pickfords.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: The General on December 04, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
Yeh, I'm way ahead of you on that and, unfortunately that makes no sense. Here's why: if Cressida Dick thought / knew she was dead, then she would disband OG this morning. The political and public outcry for not doing so would be catastrophic. There's no way of explaining why she wouldn't, not even to appease the German police and not revealing their hand ahead of a charge, as she wouldn't be saying anything that isn't already in the public domain.
Imagine the parents if they found out they were being played by two police forces.
Dick doubled down again (careful wording required there). Her career would be finished if it later transpired that she knew she was dead and then used petty semantics to somehow assist HCW in his elaborate game of katz und maus - and didn't bother to tell the parents or stand her officers down.

Your take on this is indefensible.

Totally agree.  I dont ususally do the like thing but I think I could lik you for this!   8)-)))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 04, 2020, 01:31:03 PM
Quote from: The General on December 04, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
So why is she still looking for a missing person?
a question you may well ask, so convinced are you and your pals that the dogs alerted to Madeleine's dead body!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: The General on December 04, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
Yeh, I'm way ahead of you on that and, unfortunately that makes no sense. Here's why: if Cressida Dick thought / knew she was dead, then she would disband OG this morning. The political and public outcry for not doing so would be catastrophic. There's no way of explaining why she wouldn't, not even to appease the German police and not revealing their hand ahead of a charge, as she wouldn't be saying anything that isn't already in the public domain.
Imagine the parents if they found out they were being played by two police forces.
Dick doubled down again (careful wording required there). Her career would be finished if it later transpired that she knew she was dead and then used petty semantics to somehow assist HCW in his elaborate game of katz und maus - and didn't bother to tell the parents or stand her officers down.

Your take on this is indefensible.

On this point we will hopefully soon have a resolution.. So we will see who is right. My understanding is that HCW has near enough proof of death... And strong evidence... But not proof of CB's involvement. Based on what hes said I think he has enough evidence to go to trial... But wants to see if he can find more
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 04, 2020, 01:33:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 11:28:59 AM
a missing person could be  a dead missing person..its quite simple
It could be that they can only get funding for Operation Grange if they maintain that they are looking for a live and findable girl, just a thought...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 01:37:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 04, 2020, 01:33:38 PM
It could be that they can only get funding for Operation Grange if they maintain that they are looking for a live and findable girl, just a thought...

A missing person includes a dead person but without definitive evidence it would be unfair to assume death.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 01:44:40 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
Totally agree.  I dont ususally do the like thing but I think I could lik you for this!   8)-)))

I think the Generals post has more holes than his string vest... I don't see HCW as playing any game but carrying out a very professional investigation... I might even send him a Christmas card
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 04, 2020, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
Totally agree.  I dont ususally do the like thing but I think I could lik you for this!   8)-)))
I wouldn't lik the General if I were you - you don't know where he's been.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 04, 2020, 01:52:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 01:37:08 PM
A missing person includes a dead person but without definitive evidence it would be unfair to assume death.

That’s the agenda you’ve been pushing for months. Bit late to change tack now.

BTW what do you think OG is spending that extra funding on?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 04, 2020, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 01:32:57 PM
On this point we will hopefully soon have a resolution.. So we will see who is right. My understanding is that HCW has near enough proof of death... And strong evidence... But not proof of CB's involvement. Based on what hes said I think he has enough evidence to go to trial... But wants to see if he can find more
Apart from being confident that Madeleine was murdered by Brückner, Mr Wolters also says they know how the murder occurred.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 03:33:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 01:12:04 PM
Indeed, but imo too much water has flowed under the bridge for it to happen, save a confession.

If Brueckner is charged and tried then his silence will condemn him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 04, 2020, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 04, 2020, 03:12:27 PM
Apart from being confident that Madeleine was murdered by Brückner, Mr Wolters also says they know how the murder occurred.

Does he? I don't think I've seen that report.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 04, 2020, 03:53:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 03:33:06 PM
If Brueckner is charged and tried then his silence will condemn him.

That’s not how the right to silence works.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 04, 2020, 03:53:45 PM
That’s not how the right to silence works.

The Judges will decide on that.

Everyone has the Right to a Defence.  If The Defendant refuses this Right then it is obvious that The Defendant doesn't have a Defence.  The choice remains his.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 04:01:03 PM
The Judges will decide on that.

Everyone has the Right to a Defence.  If The Defendant refuses this Right then it is obvious that The Defendant doesn't have a Defence.  The choice remains his.

The line starts with... It may harm your defence... Etc etc
.. I posted a cite a few months ago... The court take a particularly negative inference from failure to provide an alibi.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 04:20:29 PM
The line starts with... It may harm your defence... Etc etc
.. I posted a cite a few months ago... The court take a particularly negative inference from failure to provide an alibi.

Of course they do.  Even I can see that.  And of course, an Alibi has to be Proven.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 04, 2020, 04:24:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 04:20:29 PM
The line starts with... It may harm your defence... Etc etc
.. I posted a cite a few months ago... The court take a particularly negative inference from failure to provide an alibi.

I wouldn’t worry, it’ll ever get to court.

BTW can I take it by your attempts to dodge my question that you don’t know what OG are doing with all that extra funding they were granted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 04:25:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 04, 2020, 04:24:36 PM
I wouldn’t worry, it’ll ever get to court.

BTW can I take it by your attempts to dodge my question that you don’t know what OG are doing with all that extra funding they were granted?

Does anyone know what Operation Grange are doing with the extra funding?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 04:24:07 PM
Of course they do.  Even I can see that.  And of course, an Alibi has to be Proven.

The right to silence is an advantage at being questioned but backfires if the case goes to court. I've done a bit of research.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 04, 2020, 04:29:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 04:25:51 PM
Does anyone know what Operation Grange are doing with the extra funding?

That is the $64,000 dollar question if they believe Wolter is correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 04:29:53 PM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/adverse-inferences&ved=2ahUKEwjczsG437TtAhV8SBUIHXIDC8MQFjACegQIERAB&usg=AOvVaw0UrxLmfzrcg7IRV4q9Mxw4



Section 34 allows an inference to be drawn if a suspect is silent when questioned under caution prior to charge and subsequently relies upon a relevant fact at Court, which he or she could reasonably have been expected to mention when questioned. Just because a suspect declines to answer questions, does not automatically mean that an adverse inference can be drawn. It is only when he or she later seeks to put forward an account or explanation that the adverse inference provision is triggered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 04:32:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 04:25:51 PM
Does anyone know what Operation Grange are doing with the extra funding?

I've got a good idea but as Wolters said... If I answer that one it opens up 100 others..
I don't want to have to defend any more of my opinions from ad homs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 04, 2020, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 04, 2020, 03:39:50 PM
Does he? I don't think I've seen that report.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-believed-been-abused-22169188
“Despite German prosecutors admitting they think they know how Madeleine was killed, they lack the "crucial evidence" of her body”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 04:41:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 04:20:29 PM
The line starts with... It may harm your defence... Etc etc
.. I posted a cite a few months ago... The court take a particularly negative inference from failure to provide an alibi.

Thats the uk stance, what of Germany, we know the states have the fifth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 04:29:53 PM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/adverse-inferences&ved=2ahUKEwjczsG437TtAhV8SBUIHXIDC8MQFjACegQIERAB&usg=AOvVaw0UrxLmfzrcg7IRV4q9Mxw4



Section 34 allows an inference to be drawn if a suspect is silent when questioned under caution prior to charge and subsequently relies upon a relevant fact at Court, which he or she could reasonably have been expected to mention when questioned. Just because a suspect declines to answer questions, does not automatically mean that an adverse inference can be drawn. It is only when he or she later seeks to put forward an account or explanation that the adverse inference provision is triggered.

Perfect.  But I knew that anyway.  It's Common Bleeding Sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 04:43:09 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 04, 2020, 04:37:31 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-believed-been-abused-22169188
“Despite German prosecutors admitting they think they know how Madeleine was killed, they lack the "crucial evidence" of her body”.

They don't know, they only think, thinking obviously is not enough to even question him or to convince SY she's dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 04:44:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 04:41:11 PM
Thats the uk stance, what of Germany, we know the states have the fifth.

Most justice systems are derived from the same ancient source and common practices run through them... Basic principles
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 04:44:48 PM
Most justice systems are derived from the same ancient source and common practices run through them... Basic principles

Pleading The Fifth Amendment won't get Brueckner anywhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 04, 2020, 04:55:36 PM
Well not in Germany, obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 04:44:48 PM
Most justice systems are derived from the same ancient source and common practices run through them... Basic principles

The wording was changed in the 90's, from it may harm your defence if you do so to it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you  later rely on in court.(Staying silent that is).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 04, 2020, 04:55:36 PM
Well not in Germany, obviously.

And it wouldn't in America either.  Not on a Murder Charge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 04, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 04:55:46 PM
The wording was changed in the 90's, from it may harm your defence if you do so to it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you  later rely on in court.(Staying silent that is).

So if you don't later rely on something you didn't mention earlier, it can't be used against you. Is that the way of it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 04, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
So if you don't later rely on something you didn't mention earlier, it can't be used against you. Is that the way of it ?


Seems like it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 05:09:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 05:01:58 PM
And it wouldn't in America either.  Not on a Murder Charge.


Didn't a witness plead the 5th in the OJ case, undermined the prosecution.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 04, 2020, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 04:32:17 PM
I've got a good idea but as Wolters said... If I answer that one it opens up 100 others..
I don't want to have to defend any more of my opinions from ad homs

Neat body swerve.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 04, 2020, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 04:55:46 PM
The wording was changed in the 90's, from it may harm your defence if you do so to it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you  later rely on in court.(Staying silent that is).

I remember going to a protest meeting when the change came in. Michael Mansfield was the headline speaker.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 04, 2020, 05:28:09 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 04, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
So if you don't later rely on something you didn't mention earlier, it can't be used against you. Is that the way of it ?
Come again?!  How many negatives can you fit into one sentence....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 04, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
So if you don't later rely on something you didn't mention earlier, it can't be used against you. Is that the way of it ?

I actually understand what you are saying.. And it's correct to a certain extent....but it's unlikely suspects won't be asked important questions. That's why they will be asked even if he continually replies no comment
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 04, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 04, 2020, 05:28:09 PM
Come again?!  How many negatives can you fit into one sentence....

Follow it through - you'll eventually  understand - I hope  ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 04, 2020, 06:10:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 04, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
Follow it through - you'll eventually  understand - I hope  ?{)(**
No I tried but I failed to see how not relying on something you didn’t mention couldn’t be held against you. Perhaps you could give an example of someone not relying on something they didn’t mention that COULD be held against them, then I might get it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 04, 2020, 06:14:05 PM
Ok.
You fail to mention X. This is brought up at your trial, but you still refuse to mention or answer about X.
Surely this silence cannot be used against you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2020, 06:19:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 04, 2020, 06:14:05 PM
Ok.
You fail to mention X. This is brought up at your trial, but you still refuse to mention or answer about X.
Surely this silence cannot be used against you.
It might in a jury trial.  It is hard to say what they use to make up their minds.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 04, 2020, 06:14:05 PM
Ok.
You fail to mention X. This is brought up at your trial, but you still refuse to mention or answer about X.
Surely this silence cannot be used against you.

As I understand there are specific points where adverse inferences can be drawn from silence... Specifically alibis... It's in the link I posted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 04, 2020, 06:26:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 04, 2020, 06:14:05 PM
Ok.
You fail to mention X. This is brought up at your trial, but you still refuse to mention or answer about X.
Surely this silence cannot be used against you.
ok, I get it.  So if CB fails to mention his interest in children and is asked about it at trial but refuses to answer questions about it, his silence can’t be held against him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 06:27:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 05:09:57 PM

Didn't a witness plead the 5th in the OJ case, undermined the prosecution.

A Witness? 

The Prosecution undermine them selves by lying about the evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 04, 2020, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 04, 2020, 06:26:23 PM
ok, I get it.  So if CB fails to mention his interest in children and is asked about it at trial but refuses to answer questions about it, his silence can’t be held against him?

That's it, though I did originally pose it as a question, not a statement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 04, 2020, 06:29:11 PM

An inference can also be drawn when a Defendant is silent on charge (Section 34(1)(b)) but subsequently relies upon a relevant fact at Court which he or she could reasonably have been expected to mention when questioned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 04, 2020, 08:29:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 04, 2020, 06:29:11 PM
An inference can also be drawn when a Defendant is silent on charge (Section 34(1)(b)) but subsequently relies upon a relevant fact at Court which he or she could reasonably have been expected to mention when questioned.

That is UK law, not German. I think they differ in that UK law is stricter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_silence#:~:text=bar%20if%20necessary.-,Germany,their%20right%20to%20remain%20silent.&text=About%20his%20right%20to%20remain%20silent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 04, 2020, 08:29:06 PM
That is UK law, not German. I think they differ in that UK law is stricter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_silence#:~:text=bar%20if%20necessary.-,Germany,their%20right%20to%20remain%20silent.&text=About%20his%20right%20to%20remain%20silent

I'm not saying much for Brueckner's chances at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 09:08:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 04, 2020, 06:27:11 PM
A Witness? 

The Prosecution undermine them selves by lying about the evidence.

When taking the stand its either a witness for or against, just refreshed on it, a lawyer witness for the prosecution pleaded the 5th, largely thought to have hindered the case by not being heard.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 04, 2020, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 04, 2020, 04:43:09 PM
They don't know, they only think, thinking obviously is not enough to even question him or to convince SY she's dead.
Keeping in mind that Mr Wolters is a prosecutor, he would share with the public what he is ‘told’ to by the BKA. The strategy, in my opinion, is that the BKA has ‘appointed’ him as spokesperson to liaise with the media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 09:36:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 04, 2020, 08:29:06 PM
That is UK law, not German. I think they differ in that UK law is stricter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_silence#:~:text=bar%20if%20necessary.-,Germany,their%20right%20to%20remain%20silent.&text=About%20his%20right%20to%20remain%20silent

 ()678% G-Unit 

You can here a little here from FF about CB refusing to cooperate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_TCXe6AFYQ

ETA: Wrong link, see below.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 09:39:32 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 09:36:36 PM
()678% G-Unit 

You can here a little here from FF about CB refusing to cooperate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_TCXe6AFYQ

Ooops sorry wrong link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=734n3yZJ8gs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 09:44:03 PM
I wonder if FF will continue representing CB post prison move?   *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 11:02:20 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 09:39:32 PM
Ooops sorry wrong link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=734n3yZJ8gs

Hi Holly (ty6e[

The lawyer is based in Kiel, so he will be a long way away when CB is moved. As he said, though, it's up to the prosecutor to prove guilt, not to the suspect to prove innocence. The time for Brueckner to decide whether to speak will be when (and if) he is interviewed. As to cooperating, I don't suppose many criminals do that unless it's to their advantage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 11:02:20 AM
Hi Holly (ty6e[

The lawyer is based in Kiel, so he will be a long way away when CB is moved. As he said, though, it's up to the prosecutor to prove guilt, not to the suspect to prove innocence. The time for Brueckner to decide whether to speak will be when (and if) he is interviewed. As to cooperating, I don't suppose many criminals do that unless it's to their advantage.

and yet we repeatedly hear from sceptics that the McCanns havent been proven innocent..its absurd isnt it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 05, 2020, 11:16:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 11:06:10 AM
and yet we repeatedly hear from sceptics that the McCanns havent been proven innocent..its absurd isnt it

Not really no.  All the stats show when small children disappear/come to harm its usually at the hands of those connected with them.  Mc's by their own admission were the last known people to have contact with MM.  Conversely there's no evidence CB ever set eyes on MM. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 11:18:30 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 05, 2020, 11:16:53 AM
Not really no.  All the stats show when small children disappear/come to harm its usually at the hands of those connected with them.  Mc's by their own admission were the last known people to have contact with MM.  Conversely there's no evidence CB ever set eyes on MM.

Suspects do not have to prove innocence is the point.. Surely you understand that.

Then of course... You don't know what evidence there is against CB.
HCW says he's concerned re double jeopardy which suggests he has enough evidence to go to trial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 05, 2020, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 11:18:30 AM
Suspects do not have to prove innocence is the point.. Surely you understand that.

Then of course... You don't know what evidence there is against CB.
HCW says he's concerned re double jeopardy which suggests he has enough evidence to go to trial

You were referring to 'sceptics'' beliefs.  Your post:

and yet we repeatedly hear from sceptics that the McCanns havent been proven innocent..its absurd isnt it

Its hardly surprising a body of people suspect Mc's given their proximity to MM.

Has HCW stated he's concerned about double jeopardy or is that just media reporting?  If CB moves to the other prison will he still be under HCW's jurisdicition or will another prosecutor take over?  If CB hasn't been charged say by June will you accept its game over?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 11:53:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 11:06:10 AM
and yet we repeatedly hear from sceptics that the McCanns havent been proven innocent..its absurd isnt it

That's mostly been pointed out in response to the absurd claim by their libel lawyer that they had been proved innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 11:18:30 AM
Suspects do not have to prove innocence is the point.. Surely you understand that.

Then of course... You don't know what evidence there is against CB.
HCW says he's concerned re double jeopardy which suggests he has enough evidence to go to trial

But not enough to be sure of a conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 05, 2020, 11:47:06 AM
You were referring to 'sceptics'' beliefs.  Your post:

and yet we repeatedly hear from sceptics that the McCanns havent been proven innocent..its absurd isnt it

Its hardly surprising a body of people suspect Mc's given their proximity to MM.

Has HCW stated he's concerned about double jeopardy or is that just media reporting?  If CB moves to the other prison will he still be under HCW's jurisdicition or will another prosecutor take over?  If CB hasn't been charged say by June will you accept its game over?
CB is being moved to a jail 15 minus from HCW.
Direct quote in German newspaper re jeopardy and something I raised a month ago
Depends what happens re questioning
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 11:57:47 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 11:55:06 AM
But not enough to be sure of a conviction.

That's right.. May be enough but no certainty.. He's in no rush. We should see some action once CB is moved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 11:58:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 11:53:42 AM
That's mostly been pointed out in response to the absurd claim by their libel lawyer that they had been proved innocent.

Cite for the lawyers claim... No such claim.. You've made that up
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 12:43:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 11:02:20 AM
Hi Holly (ty6e[

The lawyer is based in Kiel, so he will be a long way away when CB is moved. As he said, though, it's up to the prosecutor to prove guilt, not to the suspect to prove innocence. The time for Brueckner to decide whether to speak will be when (and if) he is interviewed. As to cooperating, I don't suppose many criminals do that unless it's to their advantage.

But surely they do have to enter a Plea, at least of Not Guilty.  And if they don't then it will be entered for them. 

After that it will be up to The Court to decide and their refusal to comment will go against them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 05, 2020, 12:44:34 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13391400/madeleine-mccann-cops-portugal-germany-christian-b/
The latest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 12:46:04 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 05, 2020, 11:16:53 AM
Not really no.  All the stats show when small children disappear/come to harm its usually at the hands of those connected with them.  Mc's by their own admission were the last known people to have contact with MM.  Conversely there's no evidence CB ever set eyes on MM.

"Usually" will not do.  Namely because it isn't Absolute.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 11:53:42 AM
That's mostly been pointed out in response to the absurd claim by their libel lawyer that they had been proved innocent.

This isn't True.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 12:53:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 11:18:30 AM
Suspects do not have to prove innocence is the point.. Surely you understand that.

Then of course... You don't know what evidence there is against CB.
HCW says he's concerned re double jeopardy which suggests he has enough evidence to go to trial
If a person could show he was innocent that would stop the investigation into him, wouldn't it?  There would be much room for doubt they'd never prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was guilty. 
If you are innocent and can prove it that could save a lot of grief IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 11:58:59 AM
Cite for the lawyers claim... No such claim.. You've made that up
Please provide the cite the claim G-unit "made that up". 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 12:46:04 PM
"Usually" will not do.  Namely because it isn't Absolute.
Wasn't it 85% of the time.  Pretty much covered by the expression usually IMO.  Can you think of a better word?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 12:53:02 PM
If a person could show he was innocent that would stop the investigation into him, wouldn't it?  There would be much room for doubt they'd never prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was guilty. 
If you are innocent and can prove it that could save a lot of grief IMO.

Then supply a Provable Alibi.

All of the unprovable waffle being spouted by Brueckner's current Lawyer means nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 01:18:12 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 12:56:29 PM
Please provide the cite the claim G-unit "made that up".

So you want me to provide a Cite?  What Gunit said isn't true.  Ask Gunit to provide a Cite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 01:21:10 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 01:00:06 PM
Wasn't it 85% of the time.  Pretty much covered by the expression usually IMO.  Can you think of a better word?

85% isn't Absolute.  This is a fact.  I don't need an IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 01:24:53 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 12:56:29 PM
Please provide the cite the claim G-unit "made that up".
You can't provide a cite that a quote doesn't exist.. Gunit needs to provide a cite it does. She won't be able to because the McCann's lawyers never said that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 01:21:10 PM
85% isn't Absolute.  This is a fact.  I don't need an IMO.
I was working off memory so I'd be reluctant to call it a fact so I put IMO.    may have been better to have IIRC.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 05, 2020, 01:37:28 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 05, 2020, 12:44:34 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13391400/madeleine-mccann-cops-portugal-germany-christian-b/
The latest.

It is almost an action replay of the situation when Scotland Yard tried for co-operation when they opened Madeleine's case back in 2013.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 05, 2020, 01:37:28 PM
It is almost an action replay of the situation when Scotland Yard tried for co-operation when they opened Madeleine's case back in 2013.

And it’s getting the same reaction from the gullible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 05, 2020, 01:40:05 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 12:56:29 PM
Please provide the cite the claim G-unit "made that up".

It won't be needed when Gunit provides her cite ... don't you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 01:32:43 PM
I was working off memory so I'd be reluctant to call it a fact so I put IMO.    may have been better to have IIRC.

Has it ever been 100%?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 01:56:41 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 05, 2020, 01:37:28 PM
It is almost an action replay of the situation when Scotland Yard tried for co-operation when they opened Madeleine's case back in 2013.

And Portugal never did have The Lead, as we now know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 05, 2020, 01:40:05 PM
It won't be needed when Gunit provides her cite ... don't you think?

Absolutely.  Cite from Gunit, if you please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
Absolutely.  Cite from Gunit, if you please.

I will be more than happy to apologise if I'm wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
Absolutely.  Cite from Gunit, if you please.

It would be awfully nice if you compelled those you share a viewpoint with to provide a cite with quite the same rigour as you do those who don’t.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 12:53:02 PM
If a person could show he was innocent that would stop the investigation into him, wouldn't it?  There would be much room for doubt they'd never prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was guilty. 
If you are innocent and can prove it that could save a lot of grief IMO.

Of course it would but it is often not possible for innocent people to prove innocence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 02:34:54 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 02:18:26 PM
It would be awfully nice if you compelled those you share your viewpoint with to provide a cite with quite the same rigour as you do those who don’t.

I can't remember the last time on which I asked for a Cite.  But no doubt you will troll back through my Posts and find one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 11:55:06 AM
But not enough to be sure of a conviction.

Which shows to me he is preparing his case very carefully
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 05, 2020, 04:17:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 05, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
Then supply a Provable Alibi.

All of the unprovable waffle being spouted by Brueckner's current Lawyer means nothing.

Wolters is equal in his waffle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 11:58:59 AM
Cite for the lawyers claim... No such claim.. You've made that up

You must remember the claim? That they were cleared by the archiving dispatch, which was not accepted by the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 05:21:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 05:06:18 PM
You must remember the claim? That they were cleared by the archiving dispatch, which was not accepted by the Supreme Court.

Not sure why this is even an issue. The fact that the Supreme Court even mentioned the fact that the parents were not cleared proves that they had claimed it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 05:06:18 PM
You must remember the claim? That they were cleared by the archiving dispatch, which was not accepted by the Supreme Court.
I remember it well... So where did their lawyers say they had proven their innocence... As you posted... That's why I said you made it up... She never said that did she
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 11:53:42 AM
That's mostly been pointed out in response to the absurd claim by their libel lawyer that they had been proved innocent.

Here it is... So where did their libel lawyer say they had been proved innocent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 05:27:45 PM
I remember it well... So where did their lawyers say they had proven their innocence... As you posted... That's why I said you made it up... She never said that did she

You’re playing semantics.

It does you no credit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 05, 2020, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 05, 2020, 05:06:18 PM
You must remember the claim? That they were cleared by the archiving dispatch, which was not accepted by the Supreme Court.

The funny thing is that so many of the Portuguese articles I have read in the past couple of years have stated just exactly that and if not quite as a sine qua non more as an established fact of a situation which doesn't require emphasis.

I come across it regularly particularly when I'm looking for something else ~ but it seems that of late the word 'cleared' is definitely used in connection with the arguidos in Madeleine's case in the Portuguese press.

From July 2008 in the English press
McCanns and Murat formally cleared in case of missing Madeleine  https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jul/21/madeleinemccann.internationalcrime

To September 2020 in the Portuguese press the concensus is "CLEARED" and I think this is a situation the ECHR might resolve when the McCann case is eventually heard.

Madeleine McCann's 'mysterious' disappearance ever closer to being unraveled
Desaparecimento ‘misterioso’ de Madeleine McCann cada vez mais próximo de ser desvendado
A Polícia Judiciária (PJ) reabriu a investigação em 2013, depois de o caso ter sido arquivado pela Procuradoria-Geral da República em 2008, ilibando os três arguidos, os pais de Madeleine, Kate e Gerry McCann, e um outro britânico, Robert Murat.
The Judiciary Police (PJ) reopened the investigation in 2013, after the case was closed by the Attorney General's Office in 2008, clearing the three defendants, Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, and another Briton, Robert Murat . https://regiao-sul.pt/2020/09/05/internacional/desaparecimento-misterioso-de-madeleine-mccann-cada-vez-mais-proximo-de-ser-desvendado/510791
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 06:12:17 PM
It's quite laughable that gunit thinks the statements are 100% accurate and then... Without any translation.. The lawyers claim that they had been cleared by the archiving becomes the archiving proved them innocent.
Then we have the phrase oft repeated by sceptics that the SC claim they haven't been proven innocent.. More sceptic fantasy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 05, 2020, 06:31:53 PM
The McCanns and Murat were cleared no matter how hard sceptics or their heroes try to spin it otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 06:12:17 PM
It's quite laughable that gunit thinks the statements are 100% accurate and then... Without any translation.. The lawyers claim that they had been cleared by the archiving becomes the archiving proved them innocent.
Then we have the phrase oft repeated by sceptics that the SC claim they haven't been proven innocent.. More sceptic fantasy

The Archiving Report couldn’t clear the parents or Murat...or prove them innocent....only a court could do that. A perpetrator who murders his wife isn’t innocent just because the police can’t prove it.

For me the ‘not proved their innocence’ claim in the SC report is much like the ‘not proven’ verdict in the Scottish courts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 07:25:05 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 06:56:23 PM
The Archiving Report couldn’t clear the parents or Murat...or prove them innocent....only a court could do that. A perpetrator who murders his wife isn’t innocent just because the police can’t prove it.

For me the ‘not proved their innocence’ claim in the SC report is much like the ‘not proven’ verdict in the Scottish courts.

There is no... Not proved their innocence claim.. In the SC judgement... It's a sceptic invention.. Just like gunit claim that their lawyer said they had been proven innocent... A made up fantasy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 07:25:05 PM
There is no... Not proved their innocence claim.. In the SC judgement... It's a sceptic invention.. Just like gunit claim that their lawyer said they had been proven innocent... A made up fantasy

And meanwhile back in the real world.....!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 07:38:38 PM
A sceptic invention ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206214/Court-says-Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-HAVEN-T-cleared.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2819783/removal-of-kate-and-gerrys-formal-suspect-status-does-not-mean-they-are-innocent-in-disappearance-of-daughter-madeleine-mccann-judges-say/

https://www.her.ie/news/court-rules-kate-gerry-mccann-not-proved-innocent-maddies-disappearance-332373

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/madeleine-mccanns-parents-have-not-ruled-innocent-judge-says/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-gerry-mccann-not-totally-9782804

https://www.portugalresident.com/supreme-court-ruling-opens-new-can-of-worms-for-mccanns/








Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 07:38:38 PM
A sceptic invention ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206214/Court-says-Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-HAVEN-T-cleared.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2819783/removal-of-kate-and-gerrys-formal-suspect-status-does-not-mean-they-are-innocent-in-disappearance-of-daughter-madeleine-mccann-judges-say/

https://www.her.ie/news/court-rules-kate-gerry-mccann-not-proved-innocent-maddies-disappearance-332373

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/madeleine-mccanns-parents-have-not-ruled-innocent-judge-says/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-gerry-mccann-not-totally-9782804

https://www.portugalresident.com/supreme-court-ruling-opens-new-can-of-worms-for-mccanns/

Yes a sceptic invention. Look at the date on all those articles... The first one was the Portuguese Resident dated 7th Feb... A sceptic paper close to CMOMM... all the others are a day or so after copying it. The correct translation according to this site is.. Evidence of innocence... Not proof of innocence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 08:06:00 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 07:38:38 PM
A sceptic invention ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206214/Court-says-Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-HAVEN-T-cleared.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2819783/removal-of-kate-and-gerrys-formal-suspect-status-does-not-mean-they-are-innocent-in-disappearance-of-daughter-madeleine-mccann-judges-say/

https://www.her.ie/news/court-rules-kate-gerry-mccann-not-proved-innocent-maddies-disappearance-332373

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/madeleine-mccanns-parents-have-not-ruled-innocent-judge-says/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-gerry-mccann-not-totally-9782804

https://www.portugalresident.com/supreme-court-ruling-opens-new-can-of-worms-for-mccanns/
Does anyone still want further a cite?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 08:06:00 PM
Does anyone still want further a cite?

It's all the same.. Derived from one sceptic article in the resident... And does not confirm gunit statement
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 08:11:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
Yes a sceptic invention. Look at the date on all those articles... The first one was the Portuguese Resident dated 7th Feb... A sceptic paper close to CMOMM... all the others are a day or so after copying it. The correct translation according to this site is.. Evidence of innocence... Not proof of innocence

A little piece of advice....when you’re in a hole, stop digging.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 08:15:12 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 08:11:14 PM
A little piece of advice....when you’re in a hole, stop digging.

What makes you think I would need any advice from you.. That's laughable

Check the dates on the articles
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 08:17:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 08:15:12 PM
What makes you think I would need any advice from you.. That's laughable

Fair enough.....don’t say I didn’t try.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 08:23:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 08:10:59 PM
It's all the same.. Derived from one sceptic article in the resident... And does not confirm gunit statement
I can't be bothered to read posts like that,   Thanks for checking it out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 08:27:28 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 08:23:46 PM
I can't be bothered to read posts like that,   Thanks for checking it out.

I’ve got a bag of beans you may be interested in Rob?

Do you think the Guardian, Telegraph et al would have risked saying the parents weren’t cleared if that wasn’t the case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2020, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 08:27:28 PM
I’ve got a bag of beans you may be interested in Rob?

Do you think the Guardian, Telegraph et al would have risked saying the parents weren’t cleared if that wasn’t the case?
Pop corn - no thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 05, 2020, 08:46:31 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 05, 2020, 08:27:28 PM
I’ve got a bag of beans you may be interested in Rob?

Do you think the Guardian, Telegraph et al would have risked saying the parents weren’t cleared if that wasn’t the case?

Indeed no they wouldn't have. The McCanns have shown from the outset their litigious tendencies.  Their pursuit of Goncalo Amaral through the courts backfired on them big style though and resulted in the "Not Cleared" clarification by the highest court in Portugal, something which is virtually unheard of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 05, 2020, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 05, 2020, 08:46:31 PM
Indeed no they wouldn't have. The McCanns have shown from the outset their litigious tendencies.  Their pursuit of Goncalo Amaral through the courts backfired on them big style though and resulted in the "Not Cleared" clarification by the highest court in Portugal.

The clarification wasn't not cleared... It was not cleared by the archiving despatch which does not mean they were not considered cleared subsequently...

As regards the court case they were absolutely right to sue but could not have forseen the total incompetence of Portuguese courts when it came to ECHR  law
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 05, 2020, 11:42:05 PM
If the McCanns and Murat have not been cleared then they must still be suspects right? So, where is the evidence that they are currently being investigated, and if they are not being investigated then why not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 12:36:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 05, 2020, 08:50:35 PM
The clarification wasn't not cleared... It was not cleared by the archiving despatch which does not mean they were not considered cleared subsequently...

As regards the court case they were absolutely right to sue but could not have forseen the total incompetence of Portuguese courts when it came to ECHR  law

Cleared subsequently? By who?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 03:11:00 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 05, 2020, 11:42:05 PM
If the McCanns and Murat have not been cleared then they must still be suspects right? So, where is the evidence that they are currently being investigated, and if they are not being investigated then why not?


The McCanns should never have been made arguidos in the first instance because the evidence just wasn't there to justify it in the first instance as confirmed by the prosecutors in the archiving document.

I believe when the McCanns intimated their intention to return home when the lease expired on their rented villa the plot was hatched to cast the ultimate slur of making them suspects in Madeleine's disappearance before the chance to do so would slip away days later.  How wicked was that?



Snip
  ...  the McCann's lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu spoke out.

He said: "After September 15, a new procedural penal code was introduced making it necessary for there to be evidence against the citizen to make him an arguido.

"Before September 15, it wasn't necessary. You could be made an arguido without any suspicions or evidence against you.

"Now to constitute anybody as an arguido it is necessary to have evidence in the file.

"That's why the national public prosecutor said that if this inquiry was launched now, maybe they would not have been made arguidos.

"Maybe that's why the inquiry happened then, why they were made arguidos eight days before the new laws came in."

When Dr Carlos was asked whether he thought police acted deliberately as they knew the new law was coming in, he added: "I don't know if that's true, but yes, it's possible."

The McCanns were made suspects at a time of mounting pressure on the police to provide a new lead in the investigation as they came under increasing criticism for their handling of the case.

At the time, the Policia Judiciaria claimed that forensic evidence proved that Madeleine came to harm in her parents' holiday apartment.

But experts at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham have since thrown doubt on this theory saying the DNA samples were inconclusive.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/portuguese-police-rushed-to-make-mccanns-suspects-to-avoid-new-law-6623136.html


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Confirmation that the elements used to make the McCanns arguidos just did not stand up to scrutiny is contained in the archiving dispatch; the procedure was done in haste because just eight days later it couldn't have happened without supporting evidence.

One of the really sad things I find about the current attacks made here arising from the arguido status is that those who insist most vehemently that the McCanns "are not cleared" know all this and still persist in the attempt of using the status in a derogatory accusation all these years down the line.

The vehement current support jealously upholding the rights of a rapist and paedophile currently the prime suspect in Madeleine's abduction also gives pause for thought.  Not that he doesn't have rights ~ but one wonders why protect his while abusing those of Madeleine and her parents?


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Archiving dispatch - "Legal summary"
G – Appreciation and Juridical Frame
To this can be added that, in reality, none of the indications that led to their constitution as arguidos was later confirmed or consolidated. If not, let us see: the information concerning a previous alert of the media before the polices was not confirmed, the traces that were marked by the dogs were not ratified in laboratory, and the initial indications from the above transcribed email, better clarified at a later date, ended up being revealed as innocuous.

Even if, hypothetically, one could admit that Gerald and Kate McCann might be responsible over the child’s death, it would still have to be explained how, where through, when, with what means, with the help of whom and where to they freed themselves of her body within the restricted time frame that would have been available to them to do so. Their daily routine, until the 3rd of May, had been circumscribed to the narrow borders of the ‘Ocean Club’ resort and to the beach that lies next to it, unknowing the surrounding terrain and, apart from the English friends that were with them on holiday there, they had no known friends or contacts in Portugal.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/archiving-dispatch-legal-summary-t488.html



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 06, 2020, 08:27:44 AM
The other arguidos in this case - have they been cleared or should we still regard them as under suspicion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 06, 2020, 08:54:15 AM
If ever a headline comes under the nonsense mentioned by Rowley back in 2017 surely this is it, tis the season to be silly.The sauce is out and about.

Rowley: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9021491/Madeleine-McCann-case-German-police-want-return-Portugal.html


German police want to return to Portugal to probe Madeleine McCann case after British tourists gave them 'excellent' tips on her disappearance (but could local officers block their plan?)
German detectives have received excellent tips in past few weeks, says source
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:01:26 AM

The last two paragraphs of Brietta's Comment sums it all up for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 06, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 06, 2020, 08:54:15 AM
If ever a headline comes under the nonsense mentioned by Rowley back in 2017 surely this is it, tis the season to be silly.The sauce is out and about.

Rowley: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9021491/Madeleine-McCann-case-German-police-want-return-Portugal.html


German police want to return to Portugal to probe Madeleine McCann case after British tourists gave them 'excellent' tips on her disappearance (but could local officers block their plan?)
German detectives have received excellent tips in past few weeks, says source
It’s sweet that you set so much store by Mark Rowley’s words - he does know what he’s talking about doesn’t he?  “ However she left that apartment - she's been abducted."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 06, 2020, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 06, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
It’s sweet that you set so much store by Mark Rowley’s words - he does know what he’s talking about doesn’t he?  “ However she left that apartment - she's been abducted."

Indeed, with a very important word missing, "stranger".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 12:36:19 AM
Cleared subsequently? By who?

Pedro Da Carmo
Mark Rowley
HCW
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 06, 2020, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 06, 2020, 09:22:09 AM
Indeed, with a very important word missing, "stranger".
Ohhhhh I see.  She was abducted by someone she knew.  Righty ho then.  That makes perfect sense.   (&^&
Couldn’t have been her parents though as Mark Rowley was satisfied it wasn’t them, so who then?
“The parents' involvement - that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese.
"We're happy that's completely dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to re-open that or start rumours that's a line of investigation. The McCanns are the parents of a missing girl and we're trying to get to the bottom of what happened."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 06, 2020, 10:23:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 06, 2020, 10:00:58 AM
Ohhhhh I see.  She was abducted by someone she knew.  Righty ho then.  That makes perfect sense.   (&^&
Couldn’t have been her parents though as Mark Rowley was satisfied it wasn’t them, so who then?
“The parents' involvement - that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese.
"We're happy that's completely dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to re-open that or start rumours that's a line of investigation. The McCanns are the parents of a missing girl and we're trying to get to the bottom of what happened."
"Stranger" will do.

 "However she left that apartment - she's been abducted by a stranger."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 06, 2020, 08:54:15 AM
If ever a headline comes under the nonsense mentioned by Rowley back in 2017 surely this is it, tis the season to be silly.The sauce is out and about.

Rowley: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9021491/Madeleine-McCann-case-German-police-want-return-Portugal.html


German police want to return to Portugal to probe Madeleine McCann case after British tourists gave them 'excellent' tips on her disappearance (but could local officers block their plan?)
German detectives have received excellent tips in past few weeks, says source

We already know that police from other countries can't carry out investigations in Portugal. I'm surprised the Daily Mail isn't aware of that fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 10:25:42 AM
We already know that police from other countries can't carry out investigations in Portugal. I'm surprised the Daily Mail isn't aware of that fact.

Of course they can't.  Portugal doesn't want any old intelligent person looking into their bungling idiocy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 10:29:33 AM
Redwood used the word stranger. The way things seem to be going we will soon know.
How will sceptics react if HCW has proof of abduction.. How will they react if CB is charged... How will they react if he is found guilty of the murder of Madeleine.

I would much rather that Maddies fell of the sofa and died instantly.. No suffering.. Or was abducted by a loving couple.. But it seems that isn't the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 06, 2020, 10:30:51 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 10:28:36 AM
Of course they can't.  Portugal doesn't want any old intelligent person looking into their bungling idiocy.

OG did a good impression of mimicking them if that's the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 06, 2020, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 10:29:33 AM
Redwood used the word stranger. The way things seem to be going we will soon know.
How will sceptics react if HCW has proof of abduction.. How will they react if CB is charged... How will they react if he is found guilty of the murder of Madeleine.


Snipped

For my myself fair do's if its the case, but imo it will not be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 10:25:42 AM
We already know that police from other countries can't carry out investigations in Portugal. I'm surprised the Daily Mail isn't aware of that fact.
With agreement the Germans can go to Luz to look at where the crime happened.. Look at the crime scene.. Look at the surroundings..
That's investigating so you are wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 06, 2020, 10:32:11 AM
Snipped

For my myself fair do's if its the case, but imo it will not be.
IMO it's heading that way
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 06, 2020, 10:37:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
IMO it's heading that way


We'll see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 06, 2020, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 10:29:33 AM
Redwood used the word stranger. The way things seem to be going we will soon know.
How will sceptics react if HCW has proof of abduction.. How will they react if CB is charged... How will they react if he is found guilty of the murder of Madeleine.

I would much rather that Maddies fell of the sofa and died instantly.. No suffering.. Or was abducted by a loving couple.. But it seems that isn't the case
You only have to look at the thread about Brückner’s rape conviction to know how they will react.  It will all be a put up job by the corrupt German judiciary determined to pin Madeleine’s disappearance on this poor patsy.   I don’t need to be clairvoyant to predict this with 99.99% accuracy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 11:38:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 09:25:38 AM
Pedro Da Carmo
Mark Rowley
HCW

Not cleared then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 11:38:37 AM
Not cleared then.

semantics..its not clear what cleared means...if other suspects are no  longer suspoecfts...are they cleared or is no one cleared. Is Barry George cleared   no compensation paid because the law doesnt regard him a s innocent. So you could say theres no such thing a sbeing cleared...thats my view ...but scepeics seem to think its important.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 06, 2020, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
semantics..its not clear what cleared means...if other suspects are no  longer suspoecfts...are they cleared or is no one cleared. Is Barry George cleared   no compensation paid because the law doesnt regard him a s innocent. So you could say theres no such thing a sbeing cleared...thats my view ...but scepeics seem to think its important.
It's a game sceptics like to play because they can't bear the thought of the McCanns not been under suspicion, even if it's just a teensy weensy bit, hence they have to cling on to the "not cleared" mantra.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
semantics..its not clear what cleared means...if other suspects are no  longer suspoecfts...are they cleared or is no one cleared. Is Barry George cleared   no compensation paid because the law doesnt regard him a s innocent. So you could say theres no such thing a sbeing cleared...thats my view ...but scepeics seem to think its important.

Unfortunately it’s not your view that counts....in this case it’s the highest court in Portugal and they said the parents were not cleared by the archiving report.

Those are the bald facts and there really is no changing them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 06, 2020, 11:35:48 AM
You only have to look at the thread about Brückner’s rape conviction to know how they will react.  It will all be a put up job by the corrupt German judiciary determined to pin Madeleine’s disappearance on this poor patsy.   I don’t need to be clairvoyant to predict this with 99.99% accuracy.

I'll go for 100%.  I could even supply the script.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 12:08:33 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 11:58:13 AM
Unfortunately it’s not your view that counts....in this case it’s the highest court in Portugal and they said the parents were not cleared by the archiving report.

Those are the bald facts and there really is no changing them.
correct the couirt said they were not cleared by the archiving report...they didnt say they hadnt subsequently been cleared
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 06, 2020, 12:57:01 PM
So I'm guessing if I were to write a bestselling book published in Portugal in which I laid out my bonkers theory about how Murat had abducted Madeleine with the help of his girlfriend and Sergei Malinka to sell to some Russians somewhere, and Murat subsequently took me to court on the basis that he'd been cleared of any involvement, the Portuguese court would slap him down and remind him he'd never been cleared, and basically try and bankrupt him with court costs.  And all the sceptics on here would never stop reminding us that "Murat was not cleared", right?  Wrong.  They would not.  They would side with Murat and insist he was cleared by the archiving report.  IMO. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 01:13:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
semantics..its not clear what cleared means...if other suspects are no  longer suspoecfts...are they cleared or is no one cleared. Is Barry George cleared   no compensation paid because the law doesnt regard him a s innocent. So you could say theres no such thing a sbeing cleared...thats my view ...but scepeics seem to think its important.

It's not sceptics who claimed that the McCanns were cleared, it was them and their supporters who made that claim. Sceptics questioned how a shelving of an investigation due to insufficient evidence equated to 'being cleared'. Eventually the situation was clarified in the Supreme Court judgement where it was pointed out that claiming to have been cleared by an archiving dispatch was a false claim. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 06, 2020, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 01:13:26 PM
It's not sceptics who claimed that the McCanns were cleared, it was them and their supporters who made that claim. Sceptics questioned how a shelving of an investigation due to insufficient evidence equated to 'being cleared'. Eventually the situation was clarified in the Supreme Court judgement where it was pointed out that claiming to have been cleared by an archiving dispatch was a false claim.
Are you saying that "The McCanns have not been cleared of suspicion in the disappearance of their daughter" is a correct analysis of the situation as it stands today?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 01:13:26 PM
It's not sceptics who claimed that the McCanns were cleared, it was them and their supporters who made that claim. Sceptics questioned how a shelving of an investigation due to insufficient evidence equated to 'being cleared'. Eventually the situation was clarified in the Supreme Court judgement where it was pointed out that claiming to have been cleared by an archiving dispatch was a false claim.

as cleared really has no specific definition then its  a reasonable claim. Sceptics talk about Murat being cleared....the three arguidos being cleared...so either no one is cleared or they are all cleared. as I said..has barry george been cleared...no he hasnt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 06, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
And then when De Camo says "The McCanns are not suspects. Period" he actually means "The McCanns have not been cleared"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 06, 2020, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 01:21:34 PM
as cleared really has no specific definition then its  a reasonable claim. Sceptics talk about Murat being cleared....the three arguidos being cleared...so either no one is cleared or they are all cleared. as I said..has barry george been cleared...no he hasnt

I consider them guilty but not of homicide, accidental or otherwise, or of abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 06, 2020, 01:30:19 PM
I consider them guilty but not of homicide, accidental or otherwise, or of abduction.
Thats a reasonable personal opionion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 01:59:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 01:13:26 PM
It's not sceptics who claimed that the McCanns were cleared, it was them and their supporters who made that claim. Sceptics questioned how a shelving of an investigation due to insufficient evidence equated to 'being cleared'. Eventually the situation was clarified in the Supreme Court judgement where it was pointed out that claiming to have been cleared by an archiving dispatch was a false claim.

For your claim to make any sense you would have to define what you mean by cleared. Could you tell us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 02:02:27 PM
The whole saga is absurd because we don't have an agreed definition of what cleared actually means .

If CB is found guilty but the evidence is flimsy...will that clear the mccanns. what would it take for the Mccanns to be considered cleared in the eyes of sceptics
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 12:03:39 PM
I'll go for 100%.  I could even supply the script.

All you've got to do is to work out what order the script will be in.  It always reminds me of the street games we used to play when I was a child.  Everything had its season.  It would be 'beds' (a skipping game chalked out on the street); then rounders; then skipping ropes with a long rope swung round (known as ca'ing) by a child at each end at varying speeds with a long line of children continually jumping along and through; etc etc

There was no rhyme or reason to the timings ~ it all happened at the same time ~ one day every child in the town would be playing the same game, the next they would all be playing another and so it went on.

I've noticed the jibes directed at the McCanns follow a similar pattern.  It will be 'the neglecting the children season'; followed by the 'tennis' season; then 'the last photograph' etc etc

At the moment we appear to be in the middle of the 'not cleared' season.  What next? haven't had 'the dog' season for a bit but in similar fashion to the children's games I played as a child the adult McCann 'games' are cyclical and the dogs can be guaranteed to make a return because nothing ever goes away.

The fact that we are discussing Kate and Gerry on a thread that some really don't want to be part of the season's games is I think indicative of the control exerted over the elephant in the forum agenda.

The McCann 'game's a bogie' if any sensible thought or comment is given to a paedophile and a rapist who was domicile in Praia da Luz who was an allegedly expert burglar whose phone registered on a Luz antenna a thirty minute usage the night Madeleine disappeared from Luz.

If the German assessment of the situation is the correct one ~ there is a new game in town.  I think that is exactly what is happening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 02:54:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 12:08:33 PM
correct the couirt said they were not cleared by the archiving report...they didnt say they hadnt subsequently been cleared

Changing the goalposts there...you were arguing something totally different yesterday.

No one apart from a court could ‘subsequently’ clear the parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 02:34:44 PM
All you've got to do is to work out what order the script will be in.  It always reminds me of the street games we used to play when I was a child.  Everything had its season.  It would be 'beds' (a skipping game chalked out on the street); then rounders; then skipping ropes with a long rope swung round (known as ca'ing) by a child at each end at varying speeds with a long line of children continually jumping along and through; etc etc

There was no rhyme or reason to the timings ~ it all happened at the same time ~ one day every child in the town would be playing the same game, the next they would all be playing another and so it went on.

I've noticed the jibes directed at the McCanns follow a similar pattern.  It will be 'the neglecting the children season'; followed by the 'tennis' season; then 'the last photograph' etc etc

At the moment we appear to be in the middle of the 'not cleared' season.  What next? haven't had 'the dog' season for a bit but in similar fashion to the children's games I played as a child the adult McCann 'games' are cyclical and the dogs can be guaranteed to make a return because nothing ever goes away.

The fact that we are discussing Kate and Gerry on a thread that some really don't want to be part of the season's games is I think indicative of the control exerted over the elephant in the forum agenda.

The McCann 'game's a bogie' if any sensible thought or comment is given to a paedophile and a rapist who was domicile in Praia da Luz who was an allegedly expert burglar whose phone registered on a Luz antenna a thirty minute usage the night Madeleine disappeared from Luz.

If the German assessment of the situation is the correct one ~ there is a new game in town.  I think that is exactly what is happening.

You really do have an ingenious way of using every word in your armoury to say absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 06, 2020, 03:03:41 PM
^^^absolutely nothing she is comfortable hearing, is what she really means.^^^
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 02:54:13 PM
Changing the goalposts there...you were arguing something totally different yesterday.

No one apart from a court could ‘subsequently’ clear the parents.
no I wasnt youve obviously misunderstood...with no agreed defintion of cleared we cant have any sensible discussion..has Barry george been cleared......he hasnt received any compenasation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 02:34:44 PM
All you've got to do is to work out what order the script will be in.  It always reminds me of the street games we used to play when I was a child.  Everything had its season.  It would be 'beds' (a skipping game chalked out on the street); then rounders; then skipping ropes with a long rope swung round (known as ca'ing) by a child at each end at varying speeds with a long line of children continually jumping along and through; etc etc

There was no rhyme or reason to the timings ~ it all happened at the same time ~ one day every child in the town would be playing the same game, the next they would all be playing another and so it went on.

I've noticed the jibes directed at the McCanns follow a similar pattern.  It will be 'the neglecting the children season'; followed by the 'tennis' season; then 'the last photograph' etc etc

At the moment we appear to be in the middle of the 'not cleared' season.  What next? haven't had 'the dog' season for a bit but in similar fashion to the children's games I played as a child the adult McCann 'games' are cyclical and the dogs can be guaranteed to make a return because nothing ever goes away.

The fact that we are discussing Kate and Gerry on a thread that some really don't want to be part of the season's games is I think indicative of the control exerted over the elephant in the forum agenda.

The McCann 'game's a bogie' if any sensible thought or comment is given to a paedophile and a rapist who was domicile in Praia da Luz who was an allegedly expert burglar whose phone registered on a Luz antenna a thirty minute usage the night Madeleine disappeared from Luz.

If the German assessment of the situation is the correct one ~ there is a new game in town.  I think that is exactly what is happening.

A very good Comment.  But you forgot Knocking Down Ginger.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 02:58:19 PM
You really do have an ingenious way of using every word in your armoury to say absolutely nothing.

A good command of The English Language.  And so much better than most.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 06, 2020, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 02:02:27 PM
The whole saga is absurd because we don't have an agreed definition of what cleared actually means .

If CB is found guilty but the evidence is flimsy...will that clear the mccanns. what would it take for the Mccanns to be considered cleared in the eyes of sceptics

I'm assuming you mean cleared of any criminal involvement in Maddie's disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 06, 2020, 03:27:13 PM
I'm assuming you mean cleared of any criminal involvement in Maddie's disappearance?

I dont see them being accused of any other criminality
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 03:43:29 PM
"Cleared."  What does this mean?  "You will leave this Court without a stain on your character?"  An oft heard phrase.  But that is only said after a Court Case.

So, in fact, no one has to be Cleared if there was nothing to put them In Court in the first place.

So could we stop banging on about a non existent situation because it is boring me half to death.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 03:42:59 PM
I dont see them being accused of any other criminality

Or of the disappearance of their daughter.

Some people need a reality check.

And while I remain reluctant to blame The McCanns for something I did myself, it wasn't exactly the crime of the century even for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 03:23:47 PM
A good command of The English Language.  And so much better than most.

But with little direction and little depth

Now if you want to consume something with depth, drama and not a little humanity a body could do worse than your blog.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 06, 2020, 04:28:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 03:43:29 PM
"Cleared."  What does this mean?  "You will leave this Court without a stain on your character?"  An oft heard phrase.  But that is only said after a Court Case.

So, in fact, no one has to be Cleared if there was nothing to put them In Court in the first place.

So could we stop banging on about a non existent situation because it is boring me half to death.


No ones forcing you, are they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 06, 2020, 04:30:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 04:15:47 PM
But with little direction and little depth

Now if you want to consume something with depth, drama and not a little humanity a body could do worse than your blog.

Is she a drama queen like Christobell ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 04:40:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 06, 2020, 04:30:46 PM
Is she a drama queen like Christobell ?

Nope.

Christobell and Brietta are really two different sides of the same coin. Reading their prose is bit like a taking a hot air balloon ride ....it’s impressive and you hope for a new viewpoint but in the end it’s just hot air and you end up right back where you started.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 04:46:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 04:15:47 PM
But with little direction and little depth

Now if you want to consume something with depth, drama and not a little humanity a body could do worse than your blog.

Oh My God.  You have completely thrown me.  I have never thought that my Blog was all that interesting.  And nor is it all that articulate.  But then it was never meant to be.  I am too old and too much of a Cockney made good to want to be anything other than I hope I am.

Your compliment is just something else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 06, 2020, 04:28:36 PM

No ones forcing you, are they?

Unfortunately, Yes.  Unless I wish to stop being a Moderator.  And that ain't going to happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 03:22:02 PM
A very good Comment.  But you forgot Knocking Down Ginger.
That was just 'knock door,run' in my neck of the woods.  So many of us actually were ginger it would have been impolite to think of knocking them down.

That was for the dark nights at this time of year and before it got too cold.  I gave it up when one old guy we used to torment hovered for an age while we lay under fruit bushes terrorised.

In retrospect I think he must have had a very good idea where we were.  If he'd had a torch down with him and been able to identify any of us our mothers wouldn't have been best pleased.

So the lesson was learned for us and we desisted from aberrant behaviour before the forces of law and order in the shape of our parents caught up with us and exacted appropriate penalties.

Obviously a part of the learning curve missed out on by Brueckner who hadn't worked out it was better to desist before someone caught you and made you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 04:46:51 PM
Oh My God.  You have completely thrown me.  I have never thought that my Blog was all that interesting.  And nor is it all that articulate.  But then it was never meant to be.  I am too old and too much of a Cockney made good to want to be anything other than I hope I am.

Your compliment is just something else.

You are a very talented writer, Eleanor, and can certainly show folk exactly how it should be done 😊
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 06, 2020, 04:30:46 PM
Is she a drama queen like Christobell ?

This is a discussion forum and you most certainly are free to have a discussion with me.  What is really rather inadequate of you is to have a third party discussion about me.

That really does smack of a snotty nosed child sniggering in a school playground which in my opinion reveals such a lot about who you are.

I know it may be rather painful for you to consider and discuss Brueckner and his known crimes but that is the thread title.  So please discuss that.

If you wish to do generalised ad homs directed at individual members start your own forum where such puerile behaviour is acceptable (because it certainly isn't here) ~ ~ ~ oh wait a minute ~ ~ ~ didn't you sceptics already do that ;)  and we all know how that turned out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 05:56:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 04:46:51 PM
Oh My God.  You have completely thrown me.  I have never thought that my Blog was all that interesting.  And nor is it all that articulate.  But then it was never meant to be.  I am too old and too much of a Cockney made good to want to be anything other than I hope I am.

Your compliment is just something else.

It’s genuine and that’s its strength.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
You are a very talented writer, Eleanor, and can certainly show folk exactly how it should be done 😊

But I do remain grateful for your knowledge of vocabulary.  Perhaps some of it is good that I wasn't afforded this, but only may be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 06:30:50 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 05:56:41 PM
It’s genuine and that’s its strength.

I do know that.  I never doubted otherwise.  I guess that I didn't know that you read my Blog.

You have just about reduced me to tears.  But this is never a bad thing.

Oh.  I just realised that you meant my Blog rather than your compliment.  But that is even better.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 07:03:14 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 06:30:50 PM
I do know that.  I never doubted otherwise.  I guess that I didn't know that you read my Blog.

You have just about reduced me to tears.  But this is never a bad thing.

Oh.  I just realised that you meant my Blog rather than your compliment.  But that is even better.

Both were/are genuine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 01:59:21 PM
For your claim to make any sense you would have to define what you mean by cleared. Could you tell us.

I don't what was meant by the word or why it was used. It wasn't used by the Portuguese, as far as I can assertain, but by the UK press. It seems it was Potugal's Attorney General's decision in the end;

He will choose whether to bring charges, ask police to carry out even more inquiries or close the case for good. The decision could finally clear Gerry and Kate McCann of all blame and end the whispering campaign against them.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/d-day-coming-for-the-mccanns-daily-star-17-07-08-t8056.html

Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said shelving the case would be the “worst possible scenario”.

He said: “It is what Kate and Gerry have always feared – that police would simply wrap the case up saying they could not do any more, without clearing Madeleine's parents of any involvement.”
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/d-day-coming-for-the-mccanns-daily-star-17-07-08-t8056.html

Here's an interesting snippet from the Daily Telegraph;

But a loophole in the law means that suspects named during the investigation will not automatically be cleared when the case is archived.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/parents-see-shelving-of-case-as-positive-step-20-0-t3733.html

As a result they shelved the case and lifted the "arguido", or formal suspect, status of the McCanns and Algarve resident Robert Murat.

Portuguese attorney-general Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro's office said that the inquiry can be re-opened if credible new evidence comes to light.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/madeleine-mccann-s-parents-officially-cleared-as-2-t7163.html

The case was not closed, which would have definitely cleared the arguidos of involvement, it was shelved, which didn't. Not only that, but shelving the case was not, according to Clarence Mitchell, what the McCanns wanted. Somehow 'cleared' became the headline, but the basis for the claim was not solid imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
You are a very talented writer, Eleanor, and can certainly show folk exactly how it should be done 😊

I am not sure what that means.  I only started Blogging because I thought I might have something to say about God knows what.

Life is often shite and then you don't die.  Just get on with it.

I briefly told my youngest son that someone said that I could write a book, and he said No chance, Mother. You couldn't write a book if you tried.   Stupid Little Pratt.  But I won't be spilling the beans on him.  Nor never intended to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 07:03:14 PM
Both were/are genuine.

I do know.  You and I never needed to like each other all that much.  Like is so often irrelevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
I don't what was meant by the word or why it was used. It wasn't used by the Portuguese, as far as I can assertain, but by the UK press. It seems it was Potugal's Attorney General's decision in the end;

He will choose whether to bring charges, ask police to carry out even more inquiries or close the case for good. The decision could finally clear Gerry and Kate McCann of all blame and end the whispering campaign against them.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/d-day-coming-for-the-mccanns-daily-star-17-07-08-t8056.html

Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said shelving the case would be the “worst possible scenario”.

He said: “It is what Kate and Gerry have always feared – that police would simply wrap the case up saying they could not do any more, without clearing Madeleine's parents of any involvement.”
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/d-day-coming-for-the-mccanns-daily-star-17-07-08-t8056.html

Here's an interesting snippet from the Daily Telegraph;

But a loophole in the law means that suspects named during the investigation will not automatically be cleared when the case is archived.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/parents-see-shelving-of-case-as-positive-step-20-0-t3733.html

As a result they shelved the case and lifted the "arguido", or formal suspect, status of the McCanns and Algarve resident Robert Murat.

Portuguese attorney-general Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro's office said that the inquiry can be re-opened if credible new evidence comes to light.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/madeleine-mccann-s-parents-officially-cleared-as-2-t7163.html

The case was not closed, which would have definitely cleared the arguidos of involvement, it was shelved, which didn't. Not only that, but shelving the case was not, according to Clarence Mitchell, what the McCanns wanted. Somehow 'cleared' became the headline, but the basis for the claim was not solid imo.

So frightfully boring these days.  Thirteen years, a Paedophile Suspect and still you are trying to nail The McCanns without a scrap of evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 06:30:50 PM
I do know that.  I never doubted otherwise.  I guess that I didn't know that you read my Blog.

You have just about reduced me to tears.  But this is never a bad thing.

Oh.  I just realised that you meant my Blog rather than your compliment.  But that is even better.

I also read your blog from time to time and I'm always impressed by your honesty. I also enjoy your love/hate relationship with your little terror O'Conner. Your Christmas preparations also amuse; having to replace the booze you bought and then drank reminds me of how booze and Easter Eggs were always a last minute buy for me because they tempted people to indulge too early.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 07:20:38 PM
I also read your blog from time to time and I'm always impressed by your honesty. I also enjoy your love/hate relationship with your little terror O'Conner. Your Christmas preparations also amuse; having to replace the booze you bought and then drank reminds me of how booze and Easter Eggs were always a last minute buy for me because they tempted people to indulge too early.

Really?  You too?  My life has been all too much about The Rotten Little Shite these days.  But he is such a joyful little shite.

I resolve to talk about something else next year other than O'Connor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 07:10:18 PM
I am not sure what that means.  I only started Blogging because I thought I might have something to say about God knows what.

Life is often shite and then you don't die.  Just get on with it.

I briefly told my youngest son that someone said that I could write a book, and he said No chance, Mother. You couldn't write a book if you tried.   Stupid Little Pratt.  But I won't be spilling the beans on him.  Nor never intended to.

It's like having a conversation.  Always informative and interesting ~ every emotion is touched and shared ~ bursting with love for everybody and everything but particularly for la belle France.  All showing a great heart.

Nobody learns how to write like that.  It is a God given talent you were born with (I had to stop myself typing "with which you were born" ~ who needs that?)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 07:42:14 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 07:19:28 PM
So frightfully boring these days.  Thirteen years, a Paedophile Suspect and still you are trying to nail The McCanns without a scrap of evidence.

Despite the fact that the prosecutors were specific ...

Snip
 ... despite the stigma that is associated with it, which is techno-juridically misadjusted. In effect, the constitution and questioning as arguidos, while used to confirm indications towards the committing of crimes, are also used, with equal strength and reason, to infirm indications and to eliminate suspects.

_____________________________________________________

b) The archiving of the Process concerning Arguidos Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code.

Article 277 number 3 of the Penal Process Code is to be fulfilled.

Under article 214 number 1 item a) of the Penal Process Code, the coercion measures that have been imposed on the arguidos are declared extinct.

Portimão, 21.07.08

The Republic’s Prosecutor

(José de Magalhães e Menezes)

The Joint General Prosecutor

(signature)

(João Melchior Gomes)
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/archiving-dispatch-legal-summary-t488.html


So ~ in other words ~ the prosecutors officially eliminated Kate and Gerry as suspects.  What's so hard about accepting that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 07:58:02 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 07:42:14 PM
Despite the fact that the prosecutors were specific ...

Snip
 ... despite the stigma that is associated with it, which is techno-juridically misadjusted. In effect, the constitution and questioning as arguidos, while used to confirm indications towards the committing of crimes, are also used, with equal strength and reason, to infirm indications and to eliminate suspects.

_____________________________________________________

b) The archiving of the Process concerning Arguidos Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code.

Article 277 number 3 of the Penal Process Code is to be fulfilled.

Under article 214 number 1 item a) of the Penal Process Code, the coercion measures that have been imposed on the arguidos are declared extinct.

Portimão, 21.07.08

The Republic’s Prosecutor

(José de Magalhães e Menezes)

The Joint General Prosecutor

(signature)

(João Melchior Gomes)
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/archiving-dispatch-legal-summary-t488.html


So ~ in other words ~ the prosecutors officially eliminated Kate and Gerry as suspects.  What's so hard about accepting that?

When there's no clear understanding of what cleared means it's no wonder there's no agreement
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 06, 2020, 07:29:25 PM
It's like having a conversation.  Always informative and interesting ~ every emotion is touched and shared ~ bursting with love for everybody and everything but particularly for la belle France.  All showing a great heart.

Nobody learns how to write like that.  It is a God given talent you were born with (I had to stop myself typing "with which you were born" ~ who needs that?)

Do you think so?  I don't know.  I only know that it is what I want to say.  And I don't understand why not one other member of my family has the same desire.  It is a joy to oneself.  And I do only do this for myself.  That had to be the first given.  With which I was born.

And I have to tell you that, With which I was born is perfectly normal to me.  Probably something to do with my love of Shakespeare from a very young age.

Anyway, I am sorry if I have taken over this Thread, but I am so pleased.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 08:09:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 08:00:27 PM
Do you think so?  I don't know.  I only know that it is what I want to say.  And I don't understand why not one other member of my family has the same desire.  It is a joy to oneself.  And I do only do this for myself.  That had to be the first given.  With which I was born.

And I have to tell you that, With which I was born is perfectly normal to me.  Probably something to do with my love of Shakespeare from a very young age.

Anyway, I am sorry if I have taken over this Thread, but I am so pleased.
Written 500 years ago yet no one else has ever really come close.. Advances in every other area but Shakespeare unsurpassed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 08:09:33 PM
Written 500 years ago yet no one else has ever really come close.. Advances in every other area but Shakespeare unsurpassed

Ah but was Shakespeare the writer of  the works attributed to him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 08:22:33 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 08:16:33 PM
Ah but was Shakespeare the writer of  the works attributed to him?
Are you a sceptic....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 08:29:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 08:22:33 PM
Are you a sceptic....

No but it is an interesting question. How can a man that had, as far as we are aware, never travelled further than London and had a mediocre education have such a broad breadth of knowledge?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 08:36:26 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 08:29:07 PM
No but it is an interesting question. How can a man that had, as far as we are aware, never travelled further than London and had a mediocre education have such a broad breadth of knowledge?
I agree it's an interesting question but I doubt such a cold case can be solved. I'm sure people have looked at other playwrights.. Christopher Marlow... And compared the language. Would need to get on of R d  Halls language experts on the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 06, 2020, 08:47:48 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 08:29:07 PM
No but it is an interesting question. How can a man that had, as far as we are aware, never travelled further than London and had a mediocre education have such a broad breadth of knowledge?
He used the Internet, the WWW wealth of knowledge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 09:00:55 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 06, 2020, 08:47:48 PM
He used the Internet, the WWW wealth of knowledge.
I'm just going through Macbeth with one of my children.. Was from his mother's w..b untimely ripped... So powerful

Now back on topic
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:04:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 08:36:26 PM
I agree it's an interesting question but I doubt such a cold case can be solved. I'm sure people have looked at other playwrights.. Christopher Marlow... And compared the language. Would need to get on of R d  Halls language experts on the case

Walt Whitman, Mark Twain and our very own Duke of Edinburgh are all purported to be or have been anti-Stratfordions, clever men who, you would assume, weren’t easily fooled but, yes, I doubt the question will ever be answered categorically now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:13:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 08:36:26 PM
I agree it's an interesting question but I doubt such a cold case can be solved. I'm sure people have looked at other playwrights.. Christopher Marlow... And compared the language. Would need to get on of R d  Halls language experts on the case

Thou hast committed adultery.  But that was in another country.  And besides the wench is dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:13:16 PM
Thou hast committed adultery.  But that was in another country.  And besides the wench is dead.
It's not exactly Shakespeare is it.. I'll stick with the Stratfordians
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 09:17:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 07:28:38 PM
Really?  You too?  My life has been all too much about The Rotten Little Shite these days.  But he is such a joyful little shite.

I resolve to talk about something else next year other than O'Connor.

No need. Your relationship with him is as fascinating to me as all your other relationships.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 08:29:07 PM
No but it is an interesting question. How can a man that had, as far as we are aware, never travelled further than London and had a mediocre education have such a broad breadth of knowledge?

When I saw really good actors perform the plays I formed the opinion that they're about relationships and emotions mostly. Education isn't necessary to be knowledgeable about such things. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 09:17:05 PM
It's not exactly Shakespeare is it.. I'll stick with the Stratfordians

I never said it was Shakespeare.

It was actually Christopher Marlow.  The Jew of Malta.

Just how uneducated do you think I am?  What a laugh.  But sadly it isn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:29:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 09:17:39 PM
No need. Your relationship with him is as fascinating to me as all your other relationships.

You mean you don't like my dog?  How could you not like my dog?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:29:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:13:16 PM
Thou hast committed adultery.  But that was in another country.  And besides the wench is dead.

The Wench is Dead....Colin Dexter was a wonderful writer. Was at a fundraiser he attended with John Thaw and Sheila Hancock’s daughters. Lovely evening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 09:17:39 PM
No need. Your relationship with him is as fascinating to me as all your other relationships.

On reflection, your comment is very unpleasant and extremely bad mannered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:39:23 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:29:49 PM
The Wench is Dead....Colin Dexter was a wonderful writer. Was at a fundraiser he attended with John Thaw and Sheila Hancock’s daughters. Lovely evening.

I could have sworn that Christopher Marlow wrote that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 09:23:33 PM
When I saw really good actors perform the plays I formed the opinion that they're about relationships and emotions mostly. Education isn't necessary to be knowledgeable about such things.

Very true. I have a theatre company close by who perform Shakespeare in outside spaces and I’ve found that Macbeth is never more visceral or affecting than when you’re sitting in a cold park on a dark August evening with a rug over your knees.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:26:41 PM
I never said it was Shakespeare.

It was actually Christopher Marlow.  The Jew of Malta.

Just how uneducated do you think I am?  What a laugh.  But sadly it isn't.

I know it's Marlowe.. And I know you know that too... You quoted it to show the difference.. There's no comparison
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:42:25 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:40:11 PM
Very true. I have a theatre company close by who perform Shakespeare in outside spaces and I’ve found that Macbeth is never more visceral or affecting than when you’re sitting in a cold park on a dark August evening with a rug over your knees.

And wishing you were somewhere else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:44:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:39:23 PM
I could have sworn that Christopher Marlow wrote that.

He did but Dexter used the line as the title of one of his Morse books.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 09:46:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 09:23:33 PM
When I saw really good actors perform the plays I formed the opinion that they're about relationships and emotions mostly. Education isn't necessary to be knowledgeable about such things.

Education is not necessary to be knowledgeable full stop
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:42:25 PM
And wishing you were somewhere else.

It certainly feels like the north of Scotland.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:46:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 09:40:29 PM
I know it's Marlowe.. And I know you know that too... You quoted it to show the difference.. There's no comparison

Sorry.  I think I got a bit peed off by Gunit.  Briefly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:46:27 PM
Sorry.  I think I got a bit peed off by Gunit.  Briefly.

I understand.. No problem.. Just as we were all getting on
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:29:26 PM
You mean you don't like my dog?  How could you not like my dog?

I read it that G was saying the opposite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2020, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:48:16 PM
I read it that G was saying the opposite.
Perhaps it was lost in translation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 09:47:55 PM
I understand.. No problem.. Just as we were all getting on

Don't ever not like my dog.  Rotten little horror.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:53:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 09:49:46 PM
Perhaps it was lost in translation

I think when there is no visual clues to intention it’s easy to misinterpret it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 09:48:16 PM
I read it that G was saying the opposite.

What other relationships? I don't have any.  Just The Dog.  And I am not all that crazy about him.  Unless any of you want to beat up a poor little Dachshund who loves everybody.  And then I could get a bit nasty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 06, 2020, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:56:04 PM
What other relationships? I don't have any.  Just The Dog.  And I am not all that crazy about him.  Unless any of you want to beat up a poor little Dachshund who loves everybody.  And then I could get a bit nasty.

I don’t blame you...there’s no punishment harsh enough for those who are cruel to animals.

I would never put words into G’s mouth but I read it that she enjoyed hearing stories about your dog as well as village life etc.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 10:40:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 06, 2020, 09:56:04 PM
What other relationships? I don't have any.  Just The Dog.  And I am not all that crazy about him.  Unless any of you want to beat up a poor little Dachshund who loves everybody.  And then I could get a bit nasty.

You have written about your relationship with O'Conner's predecessor, with your neighbours and with your sons. Perhaps you've forgotten as they are usually brief comments. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 06, 2020, 09:46:05 PM
Education is not necessary to be knowledgeable full stop

Very true. My husband's formal education ended when he was 15, but he was extremely knowledgeable and wise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 07, 2020, 08:17:20 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 06, 2020, 10:40:20 PM
You have written about your relationship with O'Conner's predecessor, with your neighbours and with your sons. Perhaps you've forgotten as they are usually brief comments.

It would seem that I misunderstood you.  In which case I am sorry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 07, 2020, 08:59:38 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 07, 2020, 08:17:20 AM
It would seem that I misunderstood you.  In which case I am sorry.

Thank you Eleanor. I enjoy your blog and I do hope you carry on with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 07, 2020, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 07, 2020, 08:59:38 AM
Thank you Eleanor. I enjoy your blog and I do hope you carry on with it.

Thank you.  Relationship are not my strong point so I steer clear of them.

I am trying to avoid repeats at the moment so there isn't much going on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 07, 2020, 06:50:24 PM
Since Carol Tranmer’s identikit of the man she saw was withheld in the published PJ files, I am hopeful that Mr Wolters and his team would’ve had access to it and is possibly part of their investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 07:12:16 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 07, 2020, 06:50:24 PM
Since Carol Tranmer’s identikit of the man she saw was withheld in the published PJ files, I am hopeful that Mr Wolters and his team would’ve had access to it and is possibly part of their investigation.

Was Carol Tranmer’s identikit withheld? From who? Not OG. Did they publicise her sighting in the Crimewatch programme...I believe they did. Was the sighting publicised on the 8 part Netflix documentary....again I believe it was.

So I’m not sure why you think Wolter wouldn’t have seen it years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 07, 2020, 07:38:22 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 07, 2020, 06:50:24 PM
Since Carol Tranmer’s identikit of the man she saw was withheld in the published PJ files, I am hopeful that Mr Wolters and his team would’ve had access to it and is possibly part of their investigation.

For the PJ to have withheld the identikit (and Mrs Tranmer's first statement they would first have had to have received them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2020, 07:43:33 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 07:12:16 PM
Was Carol Tranmer’s identikit withheld? From who? Not OG. Did they publicise her sighting in the Crimewatch programme...I believe they did. Was the sighting publicised on the 8 part Netflix documentary....again I believe it was.

So I’m not sure why you think Wolter wouldn’t have seen it years ago.

Im sure you wont mind me correcting you as Im sure you wouldnt want to look silly in company but you repeatedly post ...from who...it should be from whom. It just grates my nerves to see it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 07:53:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 07, 2020, 07:43:33 PM
Im sure you wont mind me correcting you as Im sure you wouldnt want to look silly in company but you repeatedly post ...from who...it should be from whom. It just grates my nerves to see it

No problem...and thank you.

The correct grammar is so important....capital letters, full stops, the correct spelling, recognisable words.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2020, 07:53:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 07:53:09 PM
No problem...and thank you.

The correct grammar is so important....capital letters, full stops, the correct spelling, recognisable words.

Glad to help
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 07:56:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 07, 2020, 07:53:51 PM
Glad to help
I'll give you another quote "Doctor heal thyself".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2020, 07:58:03 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 07:56:22 PM
I'll give you another quote "Doctor heal thyself".

I love irony...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 07, 2020, 07:58:30 PM
“MISSING FROM FILES
Carole Tranmer

Original interview and identikit not included in DVD:

In the interview of Carole Tranmer on 22nd April 2008, as recorded on DVD, reference is made more than once to a statement given by her to Leics police on 8 May 2007, and to an identikit that was created with the assistance of a police officer from Reading”.
My mistake. My point is that German LE would have probably/hopefully accessed her statement and compiled identikit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 08:00:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 07, 2020, 07:58:03 PM
I love irony...
I'm more into Zinc supplements myself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 07, 2020, 07:58:30 PM
“MISSING FROM FILES
Carole Tranmer

Original interview and identikit not included in DVD:

In the interview of Carole Tranmer on 22nd April 2008, as recorded on DVD, reference is made more than once to a statement given by her to Leics police on 8 May 2007, and to an identikit that was created with the assistance of a police officer from Reading”.
My mistake. My point is that German LE would have probably/hopefully accessed her statement and compiled identikit.

Did you read my post?

Carol Tranmer’s description was on Crimewatch 7 years ago  and Netflix 3 years ago, as well as being in Anthony Summers book 4 years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 07, 2020, 08:11:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 08:06:12 PM
Did you read my post?

Carol Tranmer’s description was on Crimewatch 7 years ago  and Netflix 3 years ago, as well as being in Anthony Summers book 4 years ago.
And I have responded, “My mistake. My point is that German LE would have probably/hopefully accessed her statement and compiled identikit”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 08:06:12 PM
Did you read my post?

Carol Tranmer’s description was on Crimewatch 7 years ago  and Netflix 3 years ago, as well as being in Anthony Summers book 4 years ago.
It should be on Google then, most likely?

Is this it (https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/tasminman.gif)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 07, 2020, 08:11:24 PM
And I have responded, “My mistake. My point is that German LE would have probably/hopefully accessed her statement and compiled identikit”.

Why would they need to compile an identikit? Surely all they need do is interview Carol Tranmer and ask her if it’s Brueckner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 07, 2020, 08:45:27 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 08:17:37 PM
Why would they need to compile an identikit? Surely all they need do is interview Carol Tranmer and ask her if it’s Brueckner?
There is a difference between ‘compiled identikit’ and ‘compile identikit’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 08:47:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 08:17:37 PM
Why would they need to compile an identikit? Surely all they need do is interview Carol Tranmer and ask her if it’s Brueckner?
Memories are unlikely to be that good.  Is Carol Tranmer still alive?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 07, 2020, 08:45:27 PM
There is a difference between ‘compiled identikit’ and ‘compile identikit’.

There is indeed but my point still stands.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 09:45:23 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 08:47:47 PM
Memories are unlikely to be that good.  Is Carol Tranmer still alive?

Then she could refresh her memory with her own statement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 07, 2020, 09:59:51 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 08:47:47 PM
Memories are unlikely to be that good.  Is Carol Tranmer still alive?
Ask Holly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 07, 2020, 09:59:51 PM
Ask Holly.
I see there is a "Carole Tranmer"  on Facebook with some connections to the Algarve. So she might be OK.

The PJ file has her name with the E on Carole. "During the interview, Carole TRANMER provided the following evidence:"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 07, 2020, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 10:08:33 PM
I see there is a "Carole Tranmer"  on Facebook with some connections to the Algarve. So she might be OK.

The PJ file has her name with the E on Carole. "During the interview, Carole TRANMER provided the following evidence:"
Any pics of Madeleine on her timeline?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 10:24:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 07, 2020, 10:22:34 PM
Any pics of Madeleine on her timeline?
No very private FB profile.  I've left her a message.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 10:25:32 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 10:24:12 PM
No very private FB profile.  I've left her a message.

She has a private profile for a reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 10:34:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 10:25:32 PM
She has a private profile for a reason.
I have made my message a little less cryptic.   Do you know her?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 10:58:47 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 10:34:01 PM
I have made my message a little less cryptic.   Do you know her?

Of course I don’t know her.

Be careful, it’s not good practice on Facebook for a man to message random women.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 08, 2020, 01:29:23 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 07, 2020, 10:58:47 PM
Of course I don’t know her.

Be careful, it’s not good practice on Facebook for a man to message random women.
It's up to them as to whether they respond.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 06:18:49 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
It should be on Google then, most likely?

Is this it (https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/tasminman.gif)

No. That's from Tasmin Sillence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 07:47:55 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 07, 2020, 10:24:12 PM
No very private FB profile.  I've left her a message.
You didn't just do that did you?
Kinell, Rob, you'll have the feds crawling up yo ass.
I suggest you leave it alone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 07:51:53 AM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 07:47:55 AM
You didn't just do that did you?
Kinell, Rob, you'll have the feds crawling up yo ass.
I suggest you leave it alone.
I’m not sure sending one unsolicited message on Facebook is a matter for the FBI, but who knows?  Keep us informed Rob.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 08, 2020, 08:04:00 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55224904
“A prosecutor who believes Madeleine McCann was killed by a German sex offender says the public would reach the same conclusion if they "knew the evidence we had".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 08:43:25 AM
Quote from: Anthro on December 08, 2020, 08:04:00 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55224904
“A prosecutor who believes Madeleine McCann was killed by a German sex offender says the public would reach the same conclusion if they "knew the evidence we had".
the public minus those who “know” the parents dunnit it, ob.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 09:01:36 AM
Quote from: Anthro on December 08, 2020, 08:04:00 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55224904
“A prosecutor who believes Madeleine McCann was killed by a German sex offender says the public would reach the same conclusion if they "knew the evidence we had".

That may be true, but this is a man who was surprised to find that the British public objected to him saying that a child was dead without explaining why he thought so.  He could well be misjudging the British public again imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 09:01:56 AM
Quote from: Anthro on December 08, 2020, 08:04:00 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55224904
“A prosecutor who believes Madeleine McCann was killed by a German sex offender says the public would reach the same conclusion if they "knew the evidence we had".
I doubt it, given that he can't even convince his own Prosecutor to let him arrest CB. There's no way he hasn't disclosed all of this 'evidence' to the prosecutor.
Dame Dick didn't seem too impressed either.
...and he's fortunate there's no jury in this case, as it would be a cakewalk for a defence to prove a case of prejudicing the jury pool with all these inane soundbites in the mass media.
Who knows, his defence team may even push for a mis-trial, if he ever gets arrested / questioned / charged / taken to trial.
It's a legal debacle. A lebarcle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 08, 2020, 09:06:34 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 09:01:36 AM
That may be true, but this is a man who was surprised to find that the British public objected to him saying that a child was dead without explaining why he thought so.  He could well be misjudging the British public again imo.
How many of the British public are objecting?!   I'm certainly not, for one!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 08, 2020, 09:07:09 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 08:43:25 AM
the public minus those who “know” the parents dunnit it, ob.
Such as 'orriblespasm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 09:14:46 AM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 09:01:56 AM
I doubt it, given that he can't even convince his own Prosecutor to let him arrest CB. There's no way he hasn't disclosed all of this 'evidence' to the prosecutor.
Dame Dick didn't seem too impressed either.
...and he's fortunate there's no jury in this case, as it would be a cakewalk for a defence to prove a case of prejudicing the jury pool with all these inane soundbites in the mass media.
Who knows, his defence team may even push for a mis-trial, if he ever gets arrested / questioned / charged / taken to trial.
It's a legal debacle. A lebarcle.
Do you have a cite for the above please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 09:18:24 AM
Quote from: Myster on December 08, 2020, 09:06:34 AM
How many of the British public are objecting?!   I'm certainly not, for one!

Ask Wolters, he commented on the reaction to his theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 09:18:24 AM
Ask Wolters, he commented on the reaction to his theory.
Do you have a cite please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 08, 2020, 09:29:44 AM
A German citizen explains as follows:

“In Germany only a criminal court is allowed to decide, if it is convinced that the accused commited the crime, that he or she has been accused of.

Until the existence of a sentence or an aquittal it is appropiate behavior by the law enforcment, to communicate their verdict that a suspect may have commited a crime. There is no need to wait for that until a trial has begun.

Please do not forget, that we are talking about a typical cold case. Not every unusual or even questionable investigation method is illegitimate.

In my opinion, the prosecuters are convinced, that they will force charges. Otherwise their statements would have a different tone. Induction of wanted pressure in a investigation is always permissible”. (websleuths)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 08, 2020, 09:51:01 AM
Quote from: Anthro on December 08, 2020, 09:29:44 AM
A German citizen explains as follows:

“In Germany only a criminal court is allowed to decide, if it is convinced that the accused commited the crime, that he or she has been accused of.

Until the existence of a sentence or an aquittal it is appropiate behavior by the law enforcment, to communicate their verdict that a suspect may have commited a crime. There is no need to wait for that until a trial has begun.

Please do not forget, that we are talking about a typical cold case. Not every unusual or even questionable investigation method is illegitimate.

In my opinion, the prosecuters are convinced, that they will force charges. Otherwise their statements would have a different tone. Induction of wanted pressure in a investigation is always permissible”. (websleuths)



An excellent find but sceptics simply will not accept that HCW even May have the evidence he claims... Total denial imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 08, 2020, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: Anthro on December 08, 2020, 09:29:44 AM
A German citizen explains as follows:

“In Germany only a criminal court is allowed to decide, if it is convinced that the accused commited the crime, that he or she has been accused of.

Until the existence of a sentence or an aquittal it is appropiate behavior by the law enforcment, to communicate their verdict that a suspect may have commited a crime. There is no need to wait for that until a trial has begun.

Please do not forget, that we are talking about a typical cold case. Not every unusual or even questionable investigation method is illegitimate.

In my opinion, the prosecuters are convinced, that they will force charges. Otherwise their statements would have a different tone. Induction of wanted pressure in a investigation is always permissible”. (websleuths)

A German citizen?  Websleuths?  What does the law state?

I believe the law states a suspect has the right to anonymity?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 10:05:18 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 08, 2020, 10:03:02 AM
A German citizen?  Websleuths?  What does the law state?

I believe the law states a suspect has the right to anonymity?

Wolters, hasn't named him.  That was The Tabloids.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 08, 2020, 09:51:01 AM
An excellent find but sceptics simply will not accept that HCW even May have the evidence he claims... Total denial imo
All sceptics? On the planet? Or just the 6 of us here who have a different opinion who you've labelled with a convenient, lazy, pejorative stereotype? Yes, pejorative. The term has taken on a new meaning for the 'supporter', due to it's ubiquity of use and the previously insinuated, but now overt contempt that it's linked to.
It's certainly an interesting micro case study of the online mob mentality; the innate need for humans to seek affirmation through group consensus. It starts subconsciously, of course, but then, over time, becomes the conscious collective effort to occupy the high ground.
I actually like it. It's an affirmation of Piagetian / Freudian theories.

The denial thing is the usual attempted needling epithet. Glorious.

He has his evidence, such as it is, but he also admits it's not enough. Where's the denial in that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 08, 2020, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 10:05:18 AM
Wolters, hasn't named him.  That was The Tabloids.

I know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 10:09:48 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 10:05:18 AM
Wolters, hasn't named him.  That was The Tabloids.
By not naming him, he named him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 08, 2020, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 10:06:58 AM
All sceptics? On the planet? Or just the 6 of us here who have a different opinion who you've labelled with a convenient, lazy, pejorative stereotype? Yes, pejorative. The term has taken on a new meaning for the 'supporter', due to it's ubiquity of use and the previously insinuated, but now overt contempt that it's linked to.
It's certainly an interesting micro case study of the online mob mentality; the innate need for humans to seek affirmation through group consensus. It starts subconsciously, of course, but then, over time, becomes the conscious collective effort to occupy the high ground.
I actually like it. It's an affirmation of Piagetian / Freudian theories.

The denial thing is the usual attempted needling epithet. Glorious.

He has his evidence, such as it is, but he also admits it's not enough. Where's the denial in that?

First sceptics have no problem referring to supporters so best cut the hypocrisy.
The denial is evident in posts such as yours and others questioning the integrity of HCW.
If you read my post properly you will see I'm asking the question.. Whu won't sceptics consider HCW even MAY have evidence... They seem to want to deny even the possibility... That is not logical or reasonable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 10:19:51 AM

And so we battle yet again to understand another Judicial System.

I can only hope it comes in handy one day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 08, 2020, 10:13:41 AM
First sceptics have no problem referring to supporters so best cut the hypocrisy.
The denial is evident in posts such as yours and others questioning the integrity of HCW.
If you read my post properly you will see I'm asking the question.. Whu won't sceptics consider HCW even MAY have evidence... They seem to want to deny even the possibility... That is not logical or reasonable
No, you seem to miss the point almost exclusively. I used to think it was ignorance, but it's more likely hubris. The term 'supporter' has not taken on a connotation which, in itself, is an interesting concept. Probably more to do with it's comparative sparing use.

If you read my post properly you will see I answered your question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 10:24:51 AM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 10:21:37 AM
No, you seem to miss the point almost exclusively. I used to think it was ignorance, but it's more likely hubris. The term 'supporter' has not taken on a connotation which, in itself, is an interesting concept. Probably more to do with it's comparative sparing use.

If you read my post properly you will see I answered your question.
Oh yes it has.  Supporters are:
- old
- slightly senile
- Christian
- usually women
-sheeple
- McCann worshippers
- child neglect supporters.

Need I go on?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 10:24:51 AM
Oh yes it has.  Supporters are:
- old
- slightly senile
- Christian
- usually women
-sheeple
- McCann worshippers
- child neglect supporters.

Need I go on?

You can cut out The Christian for me in that list.  I don't believe I am one of those anymore.

But I am all of the rest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 08, 2020, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 10:21:37 AM
No, you seem to miss the point almost exclusively. I used to think it was ignorance, but it's more likely hubris. The term 'supporter' has not taken on a connotation which, in itself, is an interesting concept. Probably more to do with it's comparative sparing use.

If you read my post properly you will see I answered your question.

there was no question...it was a statement so you didnt read it properly
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
You can cut out The Christian for me in that list.  I don't believe I am one of those anymore.

But I am all of the rest.
@)(++(*  I wouldn't call you a "sheeple" either Eleanor, you are the opposite IMO. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 10:32:36 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
You can cut out The Christian for me in that list.  I don't believe I am one of those anymore.

But I am all of the rest.
OMG. I had it wrong. There's a lot of boxes getting ticked there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 10:32:36 AM
OMG. I had it wrong. There's a lot of boxes getting ticked there.
Oh really?  I guess that you must be a supporter too then... ;-)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 10:32:02 AM
@)(++(*  I wouldn't call you a "sheeple" either Eleanor, you are the opposite IMO.

I do try.  And often fail miserably.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 10:32:36 AM
OMG. I had it wrong. There's a lot of boxes getting ticked there.

You are so often wrong.  But I wouldn't worry about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 08, 2020, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 08, 2020, 10:03:02 AM
A German citizen?  Websleuths?  What does the law state?

I believe the law states a suspect has the right to anonymity?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387107/Germanys-strict-privacy-laws-make-Madeleine-suspect-anonymous.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 10:24:51 AM
Oh yes it has.  Supporters are:
- old
- slightly senile
- Christian
- usually women
-sheeple
- McCann worshippers
- child neglect supporters.

Need I go on?

Like Nigel Nessling, Jim Gamble, Pedro Silva, Ian Horrocks, Sir Paul Stephenson, Rebekah Brooks, Lorraine Kelly etc?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 10:54:48 AM
You are so often wrong.  But I wouldn't worry about it.
I don't. I'm human; to suggest we are infallible is preposterous, even for Davel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 11:28:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 11:12:25 AM
Like Nigel Nessling, Jim Gamble, Pedro Silva, Ian Horrocks, Sir Paul Stephenson, Rebekah Brooks, Lorraine Kelly etc?  @)(++(*
Nice touch, putting the paedo first in the list.  I rest my case.  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 11:28:40 AM
Nice touch, putting the paedo first in the list.  I rest my case.  8((()*/

An active and well known McCann supporter who, like the others on my list, ticks none of your little boxes, so does not support yout theory. You have no case imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 04:15:24 PM
An active and well known McCann supporter who, like the others on my list, ticks none of your little boxes, so does not support yout theory. You have no case imo.

Case for what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 08, 2020, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on December 08, 2020, 10:03:02 AM
A German citizen?  Websleuths?  What does the law state?

I believe the law states a suspect has the right to anonymity?
Can you please share the paedophile’s identity you have mentioned today? The one within metres from Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:18:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 04:15:24 PM
An active and well known McCann supporter who, like the others on my list, ticks none of your little boxes, so does not support yout theory. You have no case imo.
What case would that be?   Are you claiming NN wasn’t a McCann worshipper or a child neglect  supporter?  Or a sheeple?  He was iirc a Christian, so....virtually the archetypal McCann supprter as far as many sceptics are concerned! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:18:55 PM
What case would that be?   Are you claiming NN wasn’t a McCann worshipper or a child neglect  supporter?  Or a sheeple?  He was iirc a Christian, so....virtually the archetypal McCann supprter as far as many sceptics are concerned!
I hear he maintains a lot of support here. Apparently he's only a little bit paedo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:20:09 PM
I hear he maintains a lot of support here. Apparently he's only a little bit paedo.
Really?  Yes, most McCann supporters actively support paedos, which I guess is something we have in common with sceptics,  Group hug!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:21:15 PM
Really?  Yes, most McCann supporters actively support paedos, which I guess is something we have in common with sceptics,  Group hug!!
Hey, don't shoot the messenger.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 05:24:10 PM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:21:51 PM
Hey, don't shoot the messenger.

So you don't have a Cite for You Have Heard.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:21:51 PM
Hey, don't shoot the messenger.
If you get your information from devious little snakes filling your head with nonsense by PM then it is they that certainly need shooting (metaphorically of course).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 05:24:10 PM
So you don't have a Cite for You Have Heard.
3rd hand hearsay, I'm afraid.
In fact, as I recall, it was whilst perusing another board that I got wind of a few months ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:25:13 PM
If you get your information from devious little snakes filling your head with nonsense by PM then it is they that certainly need shooting (metaphorically of course).
No. I was trawling through previous threads of a rival board whilst researching some inconsequential, minor issue to fire back at Dav one night. I went down a rabbit hole and landed on NN's conviction.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 05:31:29 PM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
3rd hand hearsay, I'm afraid.
In fact, as I recall, it was whilst perusing another board that I got wind of a few months ago.

You said, "Here". meaning this Forum.  Did you not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:29:58 PM
No. I was trawling through previous threads of a rival board whilst researching some inconsequential, minor issue to fire back at Dav one night. I went down a rabbit hole and landed on NN's conviction.
And this led you to conclude much support for him on this forum did it?  How fascinating.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:33:19 PM
And this led you to conclude much support for him on this forum did it?  How fascinating.
So that leads me down the Wayback route and......you know the rest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:38:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 05:31:29 PM
You said, "Here". meaning this Forum.  Did you not?
Well there was quite a lively conversation about a few characters here, let's just say that.
It's probably still there if you care to look.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
Quote from: The General on December 08, 2020, 05:38:38 PM
Well there was quite a lively conversation about a few characters here, let's just say that.
It's probably still there if you care to look.
let’s have the link then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:18:55 PM
What case would that be?   Are you claiming NN wasn’t a McCann worshipper or a child neglect  supporter?  Or a sheeple?  He was iirc a Christian, so....virtually the archetypal McCann supprter as far as many sceptics are concerned!

You have an unfortunate tendency to describe people as if they were a cohesive group with shared opinions. Perhaps those who support the McCanns, particularly online, tend to belong to groups but the only sceptics who do so to my knowledge are those who belong to the Madeleine McCann Research Group. I belong to a group of one; me.

I don't know as much as you about NN, but a Christian? Really?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 08, 2020, 05:48:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 05:44:21 PM
You have an unfortunate tendency to describe people as if they were a cohesive group with shared opinions. Perhaps those who support the McCanns, particularly online, tend to belong to groups but the only sceptics who do so to my knowledge are those who belong to the Madeleine McCann Research Group. I belong to a group of one; me.

I don't know as much as you about NN, but a Christian? Really?

We are all individuals.. Not just you.. But we share some characteristics with others that make us part of a group. All members of said groups don't share all the characteristics of that group.  You might not like being seen as part if a group but unfortunately you are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 06:04:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 05:33:19 PM
And this led you to conclude much support for him on this forum did it?  How fascinating.

A thread on the subject of his actions was strongly objected to, locked and, it seems, deleted. It seems debate was not welcomed by some members.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 06:10:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 06:04:13 PM
A thread on the subject of his actions was strongly objected to, locked and, it seems, deleted. It seems debate was not welcomed by some members.

And I should think not too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 08, 2020, 06:52:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 06:04:13 PM
A thread on the subject of his actions was strongly objected to, locked and, it seems, deleted. It seems debate was not welcomed by some members.

I would have thought we all condemn paedophilia...why would you want  thread on this person... I find that most odd

the only person who can lock a thread is John...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 07:12:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 06:04:13 PM
A thread on the subject of his actions was strongly objected to, locked and, it seems, deleted. It seems debate was not welcomed by some members.
What was there to debate out of interest?  I mean once upon a time there was a prominent McCann sceptic who happened to be a convicted murderer as well.  What would be the point in debating his actions on this forum?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 07:14:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 05:44:21 PM
You have an unfortunate tendency to describe people as if they were a cohesive group with shared opinions. Perhaps those who support the McCanns, particularly online, tend to belong to groups but the only sceptics who do so to my knowledge are those who belong to the Madeleine McCann Research Group. I belong to a group of one; me.

I don't know as much as you about NN, but a Christian? Really?
You do have broadly the same opinions though.  Climate change sceptics don’t object to being banded together, nor Holocaust deniers, so why do you have an issue being perceived as part of this sub set of opinion holders?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 07:20:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 07:12:47 PM
What was there to debate out of interest?  I mean once upon a time there was a prominent McCann sceptic who happened to be a convicted murderer as well.  What would be the point in debating his actions on this forum?

Weren't there two Paedophile Sceptics on Brenda's Site?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 07:52:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 06:10:50 PM
And I should think not too.

There are some who support the McCanns who have claimed the moral high ground; suggesting that criticising and/or suspecting them is somehow reprehensible. NN was one of them so why not discuss it when his hypocrisy was revealed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 07:58:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 07:52:43 PM
There are some who support the McCanns who have claimed the moral high ground; suggesting that criticising and/or suspecting them is somehow reprehensible. NN was one of them so why not discuss it when his hypocrisy was revealed?

You might want to discuss the inherent details of a Convicted Paedophile.  I don't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 07:59:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 07:20:01 PM
Weren't there two Paedophile Sceptics on Brenda's Site?
I can’t remember, but there were certainly many, many more unsavoury sceptics than supporters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 07:59:49 PM
I can’t remember, but there were certainly many, many more unsavoury sceptics than supporters.

These two lived together and were working in tandem as I recall.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 08, 2020, 08:01:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 07:58:14 PM
You might want to discuss the inherent details of a Convicted Paedophile.  I don't.

If CB were to be the one, what would your stance be then, bit of a dilemma I'd venture.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 08, 2020, 08:03:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
These two lived together and were working in tandem as I recall.
I have a vague memory of it, now you come to mention it.  Apparently only supporter paedos are worthy of interest though so let’s brush those ones under the carpet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 08, 2020, 08:01:42 PM
If CB were to be the one, what would your stance be then, bit of a dilemma I'd venture.

I would be watching every word and anything unnecessary would be Deleted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 09:26:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 07:58:14 PM
You might want to discuss the inherent details of a Convicted Paedophile.  I don't.

I found the hypocrisy interesting in fact. How a person could say and do what he did while knowing what he was doing in secret. It just goes to show we can never be sure we know someone else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 08, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 08, 2020, 09:26:23 PM
I found the hypocrisy interesting in fact. How a person could say and do what he did while knowing what he was doing in secret. It just goes to show we can never be sure we know someone else.

Always find hypocrisy quite appalling.  But there's a lot of it about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 09, 2020, 01:17:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 08, 2020, 07:59:49 PM
I can’t remember, but there were certainly many, many more unsavoury sceptics than supporters.
Wasn't there one who was prosecuted for stealing her dementia suffering parents' money and swanning off to Spain on an extended holiday, leaving them at home without support where they were found starving and covered in filth?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 09, 2020, 07:18:41 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 09, 2020, 01:17:20 AM
Wasn't there one who was prosecuted for stealing her dementia suffering parents' money and swanning off to Spain on an extended holiday, leaving them at home without support where they were found starving and covered in filth?
Yes, one of the leading lights she was.  Whatever happened to her? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 09:01:08 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 09, 2020, 01:17:20 AM
Wasn't there one who was prosecuted for stealing her dementia suffering parents' money and swanning off to Spain on an extended holiday, leaving them at home without support where they were found starving and covered in filth?

I remember it well.  Actually, it was her who delivered nasty leaflets to The McCann's neighbours while Tony Bennett hid in a bush.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 09, 2020, 09:34:20 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 09:01:08 AM
I remember it well.  Actually, it was her who delivered nasty leaflets to The McCann's neighbours while Tony Bennett hid in a bush.

Didn't NN go to one of Bennett's trials, along with some others?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 09, 2020, 09:43:26 AM
Let's start a thread about which side has the most convicted felons.  That will be fun. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 09:43:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 09, 2020, 09:34:20 AM
Didn't NN go to one of Bennett's trials, along with some others?

I have no idea.  I was only interested in the outcome of The Trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 09, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
God this forum reminds me of the playground sometimes.....my side has less criminals than yours.

Please !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 09, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
God this forum reminds me of the playground sometimes.....my side has less criminals than yours.

Please !

I think it was a joke.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 09, 2020, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 11:14:43 AM
I think it was a joke.
Some people really have no sense of humour.  Good to know she's still reading my posts though despite having me in ignore (I remember the whole "putting people on ignore" from the playground too).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 09, 2020, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 11:14:43 AM
I think it was a joke.

I was talking broadly. As adults this is a conversation we really shouldn’t be having.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 09, 2020, 12:29:07 PM
I was talking broadly. As adults this is a conversation we really shouldn’t be having.

Who's an adult?  For myself, I am beginning to wonder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 09, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 09, 2020, 12:29:07 PM
I was talking broadly. As adults this is a conversation we really shouldn’t be having.
You're right, but I have gone back and checked the score:

Results:

Septic Sceptic Paedos - 2

McCannerette Paedos - 43

I ran this past Gallup and they validated the results *





*I didn't and they didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 09, 2020, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: The General on December 09, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
You're right, but I have gone back and checked the score:

Results:

Septic Sceptic Paedos - 2

McCannerette Paedos - 43

I ran this past Gallup and they validated the results *





*I didn't and they didn't.
Did you find that link to the site where they were discussing all us supporter paedo lovers?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 09, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 09, 2020, 01:08:15 PM
Did you find that link to the site where they were discussing all us supporter paedo lovers?
I haven't looked if I'm honest.
I'll have a dig once my meditation session is over.
It was the CMOMM. The existence of which was brought to my attention a few weeks ago.
I went down a rabbit hole of link to link from a post there. I went to places of inane blather that no man should be exposed to. I had to wade through waist deep sheeeiiittteee, leaving a piece of my soul there (think Ulysses)
I haven't ventured back, but I will try.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: The General on December 09, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
I haven't looked if I'm honest.
I'll have a dig once my meditation session is over.
It was the CMOMM. The existence of which was brought to my attention a few weeks ago.
I went down a rabbit hole of link to link from a post there. I went to places of inane blather that no man should be exposed to. I had to wade through waist deep sheeeiiittteee, leaving a piece of my soul there (think Ulysses)
I haven't ventured back, but I will try.

I knew it had to have something to do with CMoMM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 09, 2020, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 01:26:32 PM
I knew it had to have something to do with CMoMM.
What a shower they are by the way.
It's like the Borg Collective over there.
Makes the supporters here look like Ned Flanders.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 09, 2020, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: The General on December 09, 2020, 01:30:37 PM
What a shower they are by the way.
It's like the Borg Collective over there.
Makes the supporters here look like Ned Flanders.

I think others are similar.
I visited one a long time ago - tricked out in garish pink it was - dreadful.
This is by the far the bestMadeleine  site I've come across.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 09, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: The General on December 09, 2020, 01:30:37 PM
What a shower they are by the way.
It's like the Borg Collective over there.
Makes the supporters here look like Ned Flanders.

You wouldn't be trying to stir it by any chance?  Perish the thought … please take a quick look at the thread title which can be found at the top of the posts and the page.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 09, 2020, 01:42:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 09, 2020, 01:38:40 PM
I think others are similar.
I visited one a long time ago - tricked out in garish pink it was - dreadful.
This is by the far the bestMadeleine  site I've come across.

When the members stay on topic … I think so too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 09, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 09, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
You wouldn't be trying to stir it by any chance?  Perish the thought … please take a quick look at the thread title which can be found at the top of the posts and the page.

Bit late - it went off topic somewher  on page 699
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 09, 2020, 01:55:11 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 09, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
You wouldn't be trying to stir it by any chance?  Perish the thought … please take a quick look at the thread title which can be found at the top of the posts and the page.
I was answering a question. The question was off topic, but you let that have a pass.
But you wouldn't want to dish out a similarly passive aggressive, transparently sarcastic rebuke to a pal, I get it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 01:58:57 PM
Quote from: The General on December 09, 2020, 01:30:37 PM
What a shower they are by the way.
It's like the Borg Collective over there.
Makes the supporters here look like Ned Flanders.

I liken them to my Fosse Septique, but at least that gets emptied now and again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 09, 2020, 02:00:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 09, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
Bit late - it went off topic somewher  on page 699
Yep.



....anyway, New German Suspect, eh, sheesh, how about that guy?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 02:00:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 09, 2020, 01:38:40 PM
I think others are similar.
I visited one a long time ago - tricked out in garish pink it was - dreadful.
This is by the far the bestMadeleine  site I've come across.

Thanks for that.  It is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 09, 2020, 01:42:37 PM
When the members stay on topic … I think so too.

Whoops.  Sorry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 09, 2020, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 01:58:57 PM
I liken them to my Fosse Septique, but at least that gets emptied now and again.
Careful, that response to my response to a previous question is off topic probably. As is this. D'OH!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 09, 2020, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: The General on December 09, 2020, 02:01:33 PM
Careful, that response to my response to a previous question is off topic probably. As is this. D'OH!

We all do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 09, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 09, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
Bit late - it went off topic somewher  on page 699
When The General objected to the use of the term “sceptics” I believe.  It’s all his fault.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 09, 2020, 02:32:51 PM
It takes two to Tango.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 09, 2020, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 09, 2020, 02:32:51 PM
It takes two to Tango.

I've not made a study of which posts and which members are responsible for deflecting from the topic of threads with the result of sending the thread off topic.

But there is no gainsaying that there is a point on almost every thread where it veers off at an angle. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 09, 2020, 03:44:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 09, 2020, 02:32:51 PM
It takes two to Tango.
Would you care to tango back onto the topic of the new German suspect then?  You lead, I'll follow...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 09, 2020, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 09, 2020, 03:44:58 PM
Would you care to tango back onto the topic of the new German suspect then?  You lead, I'll follow...
Is there another New New suspect as well.  It seems the thread topic might be a bit outdated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 09, 2020, 04:56:21 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 09, 2020, 04:54:07 PM
Is there another New New suspect as well.  It seems the thread topic might be a bit outdated.
Yes, but he's not German as far as we know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 13, 2020, 09:06:35 AM
The sauce this time is a  friend, supposedly...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-believe-probe-23158045?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


Madeleine McCann's parents believe probe into German suspect is 'beyond bizarre'

A friend said: “Any police force or prosecuting chief should not be boasting... but should be remaining silent as in the case of the Met Police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 13, 2020, 09:06:35 AM
The sauce this time is a  friend, supposedly...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-believe-probe-23158045?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


Madeleine McCann's parents believe probe into German suspect is 'beyond bizarre'

A friend said: “Any police force or prosecuting chief should not be boasting... but should be remaining silent as in the case of the Met Police.
Whoever could have imagined that one day the McCanns and the sceptics would be singing from the same hymn sheet?  Funny old world ain’t it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 09:49:12 AM
Let’s consider the reasons why a pair guilty of a crime would object to the public pronouncements by a German prosecutor that someone else entirely was probably guilty of said crime....anyone want to venture an explanation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Some want to question the testimony of CBs friends in the rape case but according to the article posted by ICHTT the description  of the rape by his friends was similar to the victims account.  How could they possibly know details of the rape if they had not seen the video.

This is also evidence that the testimony of his friends is reliable

Another brick in the wall

https://www.blick.ch/ausland/deutscher-43-vergewaltigte-72-jaehrige-so-brutal-ist-der-verdaechtige-im-fall-maddie-id15920819.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 10:16:31 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Some want to question the testimony of CBs friends in the rape case but according to the article posted by ICHTT the description  of the rape by his friends was similar to the victims account.  How could they possibly know details of the rape if they had not seen the video.

This is also evidence that the testimony of his friends is reliable

Another brick in the wall
I have been saying this for weeks and repeatedly ignored.  I don’t expect any of them to listen or understand what you are saying either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 13, 2020, 10:16:31 AM
I have been saying this for weeks and repeatedly ignored.  I don’t expect any of them to listen or understand what you are saying either.

I realise that but some posters don't want to accept  the truth.
The article not only shows the conviction was safe but also supports the reliability of his friends testimony in the MM case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 10:24:38 AM
The article also confirms that the BKK are looking at his movements around the time of the incident which matches my prediction that they want to preemt any alibi
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 13, 2020, 10:43:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 10:24:38 AM
The article also confirms that the BKK are looking at his movements around the time of the incident which matches my prediction that they want to preemt any alibi

Do you actually consider the article with the McCanns saying the German investigation is bizarre,  true?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 13, 2020, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 10:24:38 AM
The article also confirms that the BKK are looking at his movements around the time of the incident which matches my prediction that they want to preemt any alibi

Or consider an alibi that as been already provided, need's proper due diligence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 10:47:08 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 13, 2020, 10:43:19 AM
Do you actually consider the article with the McCanns saying the German investigation is bizarre,  true?
Of course not... Because it has no direct wuotes and no named source.  It will no doubt be copied into most papers today
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 11:27:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Some want to question the testimony of CBs friends in the rape case but according to the article posted by ICHTT the description  of the rape by his friends was similar to the victims account.  How could they possibly know details of the rape if they had not seen the video.

This is also evidence that the testimony of his friends is reliable

Another brick in the wall

https://www.blick.ch/ausland/deutscher-43-vergewaltigte-72-jaehrige-so-brutal-ist-der-verdaechtige-im-fall-maddie-id15920819.html


“  How could they possibly know details of the rape if they had not seen the video. ”

Like this

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/07/nyregion/witness-to-a-1994-murder-recants-her-identification.html

And this

https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/police-fed-information-stoned-crown-witness-build-murder-case-cree-woman-court-docs/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 11:27:53 AM

“  How could they possibly know details of the rape if they had not seen the video. ”

Like this

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/07/nyregion/witness-to-a-1994-murder-recants-her-identification.html

And this

https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/police-fed-information-stoned-crown-witness-build-murder-case-cree-woman-court-docs/


his friend had seen the video...do you have any information that he  hadnt....the cases you have linked to are totally unrelated


the description by his friend matched the description by the victim...thats pretty strong evidence





After the two burglars reported the material to the police, the investigators sifted through all the old cases from the region - and came across the American. Although the American had not recognized him, a body hair was the German's undoing. This was found on the victim's sheets.

However, the footage never surfaced afterwards. The men said they left the videotapes in a motor home. The vehicle was later scrapped. The investigators saw no reason to doubt the statements of the witnesses. Especially since the procedure described resembles the descriptions of the American.


from the same article linked this morning


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 11:54:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 11:33:13 AM

his friend had seen the video...do you have any information that he  hadnt....the cases you have linked to are totally unrelated


the description by his friend matched the description by the victim...thats pretty strong evidence





After the two burglars reported the material to the police, the investigators sifted through all the old cases from the region - and came across the American. Although the American had not recognized him, a body hair was the German's undoing. This was found on the victim's sheets.

However, the footage never surfaced afterwards. The men said they left the videotapes in a motor home. The vehicle was later scrapped. The investigators saw no reason to doubt the statements of the witnesses. Especially since the procedure described resembles the descriptions of the American.


from the same article linked this morning

Who had seen the video? The police?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 11:54:42 AM
Who had seen the video? The police?

you are missing the obvious point...perhaps you just cant see it.

CBs friend saw the video and his account of the rape matched the victims account.
 
how could CBs friend know details of a rape that the police were not even aware of
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 13, 2020, 12:04:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 11:33:13 AM

his friend had seen the video...do you have any information that he  hadnt....the cases you have linked to are totally unrelated


the description by his friend matched the description by the victim...thats pretty strong evidence





After the two burglars reported the material to the police, the investigators sifted through all the old cases from the region - and came across the American. Although the American had not recognized him, a body hair was the German's undoing. This was found on the victim's sheets.

However, the footage never surfaced afterwards. The men said they left the videotapes in a motor home. The vehicle was later scrapped. The investigators saw no reason to doubt the statements of the witnesses. Especially since the procedure described resembles the descriptions of the American.


from the same article linked this morning

Goodness me.  It wasn't a Pubic Hair by any chance, was it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 13, 2020, 12:04:01 PM
Goodness me.  It wasn't a Pubic Hair by any chance, was it?

I dont know but it seems the evidence was overwhelming
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 11:58:17 AM
you are missing the obvious point...perhaps you just cant see it.

CBs friend saw the video and his account of the rape matched the victims account.
 
how could CBs friend know details of a rape that the police were not even aware of

The German police will have had access to the victim statement taken by the Portuguese police....they, in turn could have fed Brueckner’s friend with the information.

It really depends how the case developed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 13, 2020, 12:35:41 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:33:05 PM
The German police will have had access to the victim statement taken by the Portuguese police....they, in turn could have fed Brueckner’s friend with the information.

It really depends how the case developed.

Did The Portuguese Police take a statement?  If so, why did they not Prosecute, hair and all?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 13, 2020, 12:37:47 PM
Why would the Germans be even interested  in any PJ evidence about the case if they hadn't already got the story from CB's 'friends' ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:33:05 PM
The German police will have had access to the victim statement taken by the Portuguese police....they, in turn could have fed Brueckner’s friend with the information.

It really depends how the case developed.

Your simplistic answer is...everyone is lying...absolutely everyone. It was HCW and Cressida Dick a few days ago. Thats your only explanation and totally preposterous to me and im sure to others....but stick with it because its the only expalnation...LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:39:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 12:25:49 PM
I dont know but it seems the evidence was overwhelming

The evidence seems to have been one hair and the witness statement of one of Brueckner’s criminal friends, so hardly overwhelming. The hair had, it appears, been languishing in a Portuguese police locker until tested by the German police in 2017, 12 years after the rape and at a time when the German police had access to Brueckner. The chain of evidence was complex at best.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 13, 2020, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 13, 2020, 12:35:41 PM
Did The Portuguese Police take a statement?  If so, why did they not Prosecute, hair and all?

Mind you, it seems strange that the only piece of physical evidence they got was a human  hair recovered from a cat, which is covered in hair. How on earth did they manage to find that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 13, 2020, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 13, 2020, 12:41:24 PM
Mind you, it seems strange that the only piece of physical evidence they got was a human  hair recovered from a cat, which is covered in hair. How on earth did they manage to find that ?

The Hair was not recovered from A Cat or The Cat.  It was found in the house, loose and all by itself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 13, 2020, 12:41:24 PM
Mind you, it seems strange that the only piece of physical evidence they got was a human  hair recovered from a cat, which is covered in hair. How on earth did they manage to find that ?

The hair wasn't recovered from the cat it was found in the bed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 13, 2020, 12:46:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 13, 2020, 12:44:45 PM
The Hair was not recovered from A Cat or The Cat.  It was found in the house, loose and all by itself.

Are you sure about that? Can you provide a cite to support that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:39:51 PM
The evidence seems to have been one hair and the witness statement of one of Brueckner’s criminal friends, so hardly overwhelming. The hair had, it appears, been languishing in a Portuguese police locker until tested by the German police in 2017, 12 years after the rape and at a time when the German police had access to Brueckner. The chain of evidence was complex at best.

You obviously  don't understand  the chsin of events and never will it'd clear the evidence was totally convincing... Unless everyone was lying apart from CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 13, 2020, 12:46:26 PM
Are you sure about that? Can you provide a cite to support that ?

It's in the article I cited to today.. Hair found on sheet
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:48:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 12:38:07 PM
Your simplistic answer is...everyone is lying...absolutely everyone. It was HCW and Cressida Dick a few days ago. Thats your only explanation and totally preposterous to me and im sure to others....but stick with it because its the only expalnation...LOL

The two cases are completely separate and I was talking about Brueckner’s rape conviction.

However I’m sure Wolter believes that he has a solid case but often investigations get derailed by the police’s fixation on one suspect. The Portuguese police have reportedly said that the German’s evidence is paltry.

Cressida Dick was being diplomatic. She was distancing herself from Wolter’s evidence, that is clear in her answer. She was not lying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 13, 2020, 12:52:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 12:48:02 PM
It's in the article I cited to today.. Hair found on sheet

Makes more sense.
Was this the article in German that you linked to ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 13, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 13, 2020, 12:46:26 PM
Are you sure about that? Can you provide a cite to support that ?

See Davel's Reply 10588.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 13, 2020, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 12:48:02 PM
It's in the article I cited to today.. Hair found on sheet

Thank You.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 12:46:59 PM
You obviously  don't understand  the chsin of events and never will it'd clear the evidence was totally convincing... Unless everyone was lying apart from CB

The only people who need to have been dishonest are the police who investigated Brueckner for the rape and a criminal who sees lying as an occupational hazard.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 13, 2020, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:48:37 PM
The two cases are completely separate and I was talking about Brueckner’s rape conviction.

However I’m sure Wolter believes that he has a solid case but often investigations get derailed by the police’s fixation on one suspect. The Portuguese police have reportedly said that the German’s evidence is paltry.

Cressida Dick was being diplomatic. She was distancing herself from Wolter’s evidence, that is clear in her answer. She was not lying.

Yes, are the Germans investigating on the premise he did it, not whether he did it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 01:04:57 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:33:05 PM
The German police will have had access to the victim statement taken by the Portuguese police....they, in turn could have fed Brueckner’s friend with the information.

It really depends how the case developed.
@)(++(* and they could have arrived at the police station on the back of gilded elephants, anything that suits your particular narrative is possibe, we just don’t  expect you to provide any evidence of it however.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 13, 2020, 12:41:24 PM
Mind you, it seems strange that the only piece of physical evidence they got was a human  hair recovered from a cat, which is covered in hair. How on earth did they manage to find that ?
God help us.  Do you actually follow this case or do you make it up as you go along?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 13, 2020, 12:52:00 PM
Makes more sense.
Was this the article in German that you linked to ?

What is odd is that we were told that the forensic evidence from the rape was destroyed by the PJ.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dna-rape-victim-believes-been-22224143

Yet a hair, allegedly belonging to Brueckner, turns up in German hands in 2017 and at a time the same police had access to Brueckner.

Why would the Portuguese destroy the rope the victim was tied up with and her clothes yet keep one single hair?

Further the rapist of Hazel Behan had an identical MO to the rape of the American yet Brueckner’s DNA has ruled him out of that crime. Two different perpetrators, displaying the same MO in a very small area ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 01:07:41 PM
So much energy going in to defending a convicted paedophile and rapist here.  If t was the other way round I’m sure Faithlilly would be telling us how sick and depraved we were.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 01:15:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:55:05 PM
The only people who need to have been dishonest are the police who investigated Brueckner for the rape and a criminal who sees lying as an occupational hazard.
So speculation  is your explanation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 01:16:21 PM
Perhaps Faithlilly could explain why German police would be so eager to frame one of their own for a crime committed against an American, in Portugal.  The deafening silence that no doubt follows this request will be most revealing....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:48:37 PM
The two cases are completely separate and I was talking about Brueckner’s rape conviction.

However I’m sure Wolter believes that he has a solid case but often investigations get derailed by the police’s fixation on one suspect. The Portuguese police have reportedly said that the German’s evidence is paltry.

Cressida Dick was being diplomatic. She was distancing herself from Wolter’s evidence, that is clear in her answer. She was not lying.

Cressida Dick said they are working very closely with the Germans... Since when has very closely  been distancing. You are posting your opinion as fact..
The Portuguese report Re the evidence came from an unknown source... And it seems clear the PJ do not know what evidence the Germans have
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 01:48:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 01:15:13 PM
So speculation  is your explanation

No it’s simply common sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 01:48:30 PM
No it’s simply common sense.

Cressida Dick said they are working really really closely with the Germans....you see taht she is distancing herself from them..

Your common sense is more common nonsense..

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick said the force is working 'really, really closely' with the German authorities - but did not expect them to share all of their evidence.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9015365/Scotland-Yard-WONT-end-Madeleine-McCann-investigation.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 01:55:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 01:18:57 PM
Cressida Dick said they are working very closely with the Germans... Since when has very closely  been distancing. You are posting your opinion as fact..
The Portuguese report Re the evidence came from an unknown source... And it seems clear the PJ do not know what evidence the Germans have

I’m sorry Davel you obviously don’t understand diplomacy and how these things work and I’m not going to convince you so shall we just leave it there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 05:38:07 PM
Why are we not allowed to question Faithlilly’s assertion that she knows how Cressida Dick’s mind works?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 13, 2020, 05:38:07 PM
Why are we not allowed to question Faithlilly’s assertion that she knows how Cressida Dick’s mind works?
I could have left some bits but cut out the ad hominem (ad hom) arguments please.  e.g  "I'm wasting my valuable time, being so much more intelligent than you.  I know you are not capable of understanding that request".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 06:02:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 13, 2020, 05:38:07 PM
Why are we not allowed to question Faithlilly’s assertion that she knows how Cressida Dick’s mind works?

I dont think we need to question it when its patently obvious its her own opinion based on what CD said..

cressida dick said,....we are working really, really closely with the germans..according to the mail,

faithlilly thinks that says...Cressida Dick is distancing herself....faith is plainly wrong according to that statement

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9015365/Scotland-Yard-WONT-end-Madeleine-McCann-investigation.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 06:07:41 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:55:05 PM
The only people who need to have been dishonest are the police who investigated Brueckner for the rape and a criminal who sees lying as an occupational hazard.

the PJ would have to be involved....surely the lawyer would have questioned the source of the hair...it ha dto have come from the PJ...where else
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:09:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 06:02:09 PM
I dont think we need to question it when its patently obvious its her own opinion based on what CD said..

cressida dick said,....we are working really, really closely with the germans..according to the mail,

faithlilly thinks that says...Cressida Dick is distancing herself....faith is plainly wrong according to that statement

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9015365/Scotland-Yard-WONT-end-Madeleine-McCann-investigation.html
You are not Faithlilly so don't claim to know what she thinks.  Otherwise a strong argument.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:09:54 PM
You are not Faithlilly so don't claim to know what she thinks.  Otherwise a strong argument.

  Faithlilly is not Cressida Dick so cant claim to know what Dick thinks. Faith has said what she thinks...I dont have to claim anything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 06:13:25 PM
  Faithlilly is not Cressida Dick so cant claim to know what Dick thinks. Faith has said what she thinks...I dont have to claim anything
Then quote it.  I moderate between members here.  You can claim to know what others think endlessly for all I care.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:21:03 PM
Then quote it.  I moderate between members here.  You can claim to know what others think endlessly for all I care.

I know what others think when they say what they think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:27:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
I know what others think when they say what they think.
Do you?  Then show me the cite since you claim it as a fact.  Show me where Faithlilly says "I think".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 13, 2020, 12:48:37 PM
The two cases are completely separate and I was talking about Brueckner’s rape conviction.

However I’m sure Wolter believes that he has a solid case but often investigations get derailed by the police’s fixation on one suspect. The Portuguese police have reportedly said that the German’s evidence is paltry.

Cressida Dick was being diplomatic. She was distancing herself from Wolter’s evidence, that is clear in her answer. She was not lying.

faith claiming as a fact she knew what Cressida dick was thinking..

if faith claims it as a fact then that is what faith thinks
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 06:30:25 PM
faith claiming as a fact she knew what Cressida dick was thinking..

if faith claims it as a fact then that is what faith thinks
I don't see the word "think" or "thinking" in Faith's post.   She is arguing on the point of what is written in the article (right or wrong makes no difference to me).

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 06:37:41 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:35:08 PM
I don't see the word "think" or "thinking" in Faith's post.   She is arguing on the point of what is written in the article (right or wrong makes no difference to me).

She is giving her opinion.....therefore that is what she thinks. She doesnt say I think because shes stating it as fact.
 if I say...maddie was abducted...then tahts what i think
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 06:37:41 PM
She is giving her opinion.....therefore that is what she thinks. She doesnt say I think because shes stating it as fact.
 if I say...maddie was abducted...then tahts what i think
It could also be a falsehood.  You might just be saying it for effect. 

You make good arguments, just drop the use of trying to say what other members think.  It borders on "ad hom argumentation" IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:43:52 PM
It could also be a falsehood.  You might just be saying it for effect. 

You make good arguments, just drop the use of trying to say what other members think.  It borders on "ad hom argumentation" IMO.
Faithlilly wrote:

“Cressida Dick was being diplomatic. She was distancing herself from Wolter’s evidence, that is clear in her answer. She was not lying”.

Is this opinion or fact?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 06:48:34 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:43:52 PM
It could also be a falsehood.  You might just be saying it for effect. 

You make good arguments, just drop the use of trying to say what other members think.  It borders on "ad hom argumentation" IMO.

No it doesn't... You simply don't understand.
If I say you think god exists... I'd that ad hom
I know what you think because of what you say
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 13, 2020, 06:47:20 PM
Faithlilly wrote:

“Cressida Dick was being diplomatic. She was distancing herself from Wolter’s evidence, that is clear in her answer. She was not lying”.

Is this opinion or fact?
It is a fact that both you and Davel think this is opinion.  I know how you think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:55:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 06:48:34 PM
No it doesn't... You simply don't understand.
If I say you think god exists... I'd that ad hom
I know what you think because of what you say
What are you thinking? "I'd that ad hom"  Please clarify.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 06:55:58 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:53:01 PM
It is a fact that both you and Davel think this is opinion.  I know how you think.

You just said claiming to know what someone thinks is an ad hom... You haven't got  a clue how I think

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 06:57:26 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:55:20 PM
What are you thinking? I'd that ad hom  Please clarify.

If faith says Davel thinks Maddie was abducted... That is not ad hom because I have expressed that view.  It's simple but you can't seem to grasp it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 06:55:58 PM
You just said claiming to know what someone thinks is an ad hom... You haven't got  a clue how I think
I said that deliberately to show VS and Davel what I'm trying to argue.  We must all stop saying what we think others are thinking.  You can think it but don't say it on the forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 07:02:57 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:55:20 PM
What are you thinking? "I'd that ad hom"  Please clarify.

I often see tests on the net to measure intelligence... They jumble text a bit and you have to see if you can still read it. I'm really good at it... You obviously  aren't
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 07:05:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 06:57:26 PM
If faith says Davel thinks Maddie was abducted... That is not ad hom because I have expressed that view.  It's simple but you can't seem to grasp it
Did she say that?


Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 07:02:57 PM
I often see tests on the net to measure intelligence... They jumble text a bit and you have to see if you can still read it. I'm really good at it... You obviously  aren't
We're getting better.  So what was the answer, since you are such a clever Dude?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 07:05:38 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 07:01:07 PM
I said that deliberately to show you and Davel what I'm trying to argue.  We must all stop saying what we think others are thinking.  You can think it but don't say it on the forum.

Of course we can you are totally wrong... As long as the person we refer to has made it clear what their opinion is..
Anyone can say Davel thinks Maddie was abducted.. It's not ad hom
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 07:05:38 PM
Of course we can you are totally wrong... As long as the person we refer to has made it clear what their opinion is..
Anyone can say Davel thinks Maddie was abducted.. It's not ad hom
They are liable to moderation if they say "Davel thinks Maddie was abducted".   They could write "Davel claims Maddie was abducted", that'd be OK.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 07:11:18 PM
Have you got the point I was making? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 07:12:57 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 07:09:20 PM
They are liable to moderation if they say "Davel thinks Maddie was abducted".   They could write "Davel claims Maddie was abducted", that'd be OK.

So if i say...Angelo thinks Maddie left the apartmnet herself and met with some sort of accident or was abducted....then that would be an ad hom...no it wouldnt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 07:13:49 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 07:11:18 PM
Have you got the point I was making?

You are wrong..

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 07:16:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 07:12:57 PM
You are totally wrong as I'm sure everyone  reading your post realises
Read http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg631262#msg631262 again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 07:26:42 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 06:53:01 PM
It is a fact that both you and Davel think this is opinion.  I know how you think.
Then you’ll know what I’m thinking right now (I trust I won’t be given a warning for simply thinking it).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 13, 2020, 07:26:42 PM
Then you’ll know what I’m thinking right now (I trust I won’t be given a warning for simply thinking it).
You'll be OK one day after I have forgiven you for thinking that.   8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 07:02:57 PM
I often see tests on the net to measure intelligence... They jumble text a bit and you have to see if you can still read it. I'm really good at it... You obviously  aren't

"I'd that ad hom" "I'd ad hom that" "I'd hom that ad" Nope, it's not working for me. What's the answer?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2020, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 07:44:47 PM
"I'd that ad hom" "I'd ad hom that" "I'd hom that ad" Nope, it's not working for me. What's the answer?

you arent very good at it either...obvioulsy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 07:44:47 PM
"I'd that ad hom" "I'd ad hom that" "I'd hom that ad" Nope, it's not working for me. What's the answer?

I think you are comparing two different things. The phrase above contains no jumbled text, it just makes no sense because a person doesn't ad hom something. 

Here is jumbled text, and it can be read and understood because it does make sense when unjumbled;

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
https://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/matt.davis/cmabridge/
https://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/matt.davis/cmabridge/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 08:41:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 08:06:55 PM
Whats that got to do with the thread title. I thought it had been made clear that highlighting typos was against forum rules. Shall I start to highlight all the mistakes I see and disrupt the foruim. Not good form from two moderators

I have seen no typo. Where was it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 07:44:47 PM
"I'd that ad hom" "I'd ad hom that" "I'd hom that ad" Nope, it's not working for me. What's the answer?
It could be just that.  "I'd that ad hom"  meaning "I'd vote that that statement was an ad hom"  Like "I second that" at a meeting. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 08:41:49 PM
I have seen no typo. Where was it?
Obviously the typo is the word “I’d” which should have been “Is”, even one of such lowly intellect as myself could work that one out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on December 13, 2020, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 13, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Obviously the typo is the word “I’d” which should have been “Is”, even one of such lowly intellect as myself could work that one out.

However, there are many posts where you ,Davel and Ergarth all jump on posts in my name...bullying was shameful , but bloody funny from my view. it was so lame...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on December 13, 2020, 10:15:38 PM
However, there are many posts where you ,Davel and Ergarth all jump on posts in my name...bullying was shameful , but bloody funny from my view. it was so lame...
If you enjoyed it, it wasn’t bullying, and I shall make sure to continue pointing out your spelling mistakes as it amuses you so much.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 10:36:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 13, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Obviously the typo is the word “I’d” which should have been “Is”, even one of such lowly intellect as myself could work that one out.

I'm impressed - don't put yourself down, that was inspired. It was the presence of the apostrophe that confused me. It wasn't jumbled letters either; that's when a word contains all the right letters but not necessarily in the right order. (similar to Eric Morecambe's statement about his piano playing)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 13, 2020, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 13, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Obviously the typo is the word “I’d” which should have been “Is”, even one of such lowly intellect as myself could work that one out.
Even that doesn't make sense to me.  "Is that ad hom?"  It becomes a question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 13, 2020, 10:52:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 10:36:07 PM
I'm impressed - don't put yourself down, that was inspired. It was the presence of the apostrophe that confused me. It wasn't jumbled letters either; that's when a word contains all the right letters but not necessarily in the right order. (similar to Eric Morecambe's statement about his piano playing)
you’ve got to love predictive text.  I wrote “yeah fab” to my daughter in a message the other day and because I forgot to press the space bar between the two words it came out as “testable” which for some reason had me in fits of laughter in the Post Office queue. Little things please little minds I guess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 13, 2020, 10:52:16 PM
you’ve got to love predictive text.  I wrote “yeah fab” to my daughter in a message the other day and because I forgot to press the space bar between the two words it came out as “testable” which for some reason had me in fits of laughter in the Post Office queue. Little things please little minds I guess.

I always turn it off, it drives me mad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 10:33:06 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 13, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Obviously the typo is the word “I’d” which should have been “Is”, even one of such lowly intellect as myself could work that one out.

looks like you are higher intellect than rob or gunit who couldnt work it out....

d is next to s ...so is becomes id and spell checker changes it to i'd....thats a typo. I post mainly on my phone and sometimes I cant even see what Im typing...its obscured by the virtual keyboard
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 14, 2020, 10:43:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 10:33:06 AM
looks like you are higher intellect than rob or gunit who couldnt work it out....

d is next to s ...so is becomes id and spell checker changes it to i'd....thats a typo. I post mainly on my phone and sometimes I cant even see what Im typing...its obscured by the virtual keyboard
Word up, Columbo. I can see now where you're putting those 98 IQ points to use.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 10:33:06 AM
looks like you are higher intellect than rob or gunit who couldnt work it out....

d is next to s ...so is becomes id and spell checker changes it to i'd....thats a typo. I post mainly on my phone and sometimes I cant even see what Im typing...its obscured by the virtual keyboard

This much was obvious to some of us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 11:05:38 AM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 10:43:41 AM
Word up, Columbo. I can see now where you're putting those 98 IQ points to use.

Considerably better than 98, I would say.  Probably better than mine.  And mine says that I am a genius.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 14, 2020, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 10:33:06 AM
looks like you are higher intellect than rob or gunit who couldnt work it out....

d is next to s ...so is becomes id and spell checker changes it to i'd....thats a typo. I post mainly on my phone and sometimes I cant even see what Im typing...its obscured by the virtual keyboard

Result; nonsense. You must send some strange text messages.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 11:11:55 AM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 10:43:41 AM
Word up, Columbo. I can see now where you're putting those 98 IQ points to use.

Yet neither rob nor gunit could work it out
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 11:14:06 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 14, 2020, 11:11:10 AM
Result; nonsense. You must send some strange text messages.
It was nonsense  to you because you couldn't see what had happened... It appears other posters understood it perfectly..
With text you can always see what you are typing.
I'm surprised  you find this so important  you continue to derail the thread over it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 11:11:55 AM
Yet neither rob nor gunit could work it out
I couldn't be bothered so I asked you to explain it.  I'm not wasting my higher brain power on mundane tasks like that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 11:20:07 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 11:11:55 AM
Yet neither rob nor gunit could work it out

The D is next to The S.  The first thing I look at when considering a Typo.  But I have an AZERTY Key Board now so wasn't sure if it was the same proximity.  And the spell check does add punctuation.

It is always wise to check these things before making a song and dance.  Otherwise one can look foolish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 11:26:10 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 11:14:58 AM
I couldn't be bothered so I asked you to explain it.  I'm not wasting my higher brain power on mundane tasks like that.

You wasted a lot of time and posts on it

If you don't understand  it ignore it.. I'm under no obligation to explain anything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 11:26:10 AM
You wasted a lot of time and posts on it

If you don't understand  it ignore it.. I'm under no obligation to explain anything
Lesser intelligent response there sorry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 11:35:50 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 11:33:24 AM
Lesser intelligent response there sorry.

Your post makes no sense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 11:35:50 AM
Your post makes no sense
Work it out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
For me it’s not about intelligence...it’s about manners. You shouldn’t have to work out what posters meant. If you are going to post at least make it coherent. We all make typing and grammatical mistakes, me as much as anyone, but to do it constantly...no capitals, full stops or letters in the right order is simply rude and shows a basic disregard for others who have to decipher it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 11:37:39 AM
Work it out.
I'll just pass
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
For me it’s not about intelligence...it’s about manners. You shouldn’t have to work out what posters meant. If you are going to post at least make it coherent. We all make typing and grammatical mistakes, me as much as anyone, but to do it constantly...no capitals, full stops or letters in the right order is simply rude and shows a basic disregard for others who have to decipher it.
I agree to a certain extent ...perhaps I just don't have much respect for some on this forum
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 14, 2020, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 10:33:06 AM
looks like you are higher intellect than rob or gunit who couldnt work it out....

d is next to s ...so is becomes id and spell checker changes it to i'd....thats a typo. I post mainly on my phone and sometimes I cant even see what Im typing...its obscured by the virtual keyboard

Familiarity with the vagaries of typos, predictive text and spell checkers is not a matter of intellect, but of specific knowledge. Having seen the results of using those features my intellect informs me that they don't solve the problems associated with careless typing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 11:49:58 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 14, 2020, 11:43:19 AM
Familiarity with the vagaries of typos, predictive text and spell checkers is not a matter of intellect, but of specific knowledge. Having seen the results of using those features my intellect informs me that they don't solve the problems associated with careless typing.

I fire posts off at speed... Often whilst doing something  else... That's why I make so many posts and mistakes.  I'm amused it's of so much importance  to someLOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 11:42:12 AM
I agree to a certain extent ...perhaps I just don't have much respect for some on this forum
That could be a problem, don't you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
For me it’s not about intelligence...it’s about manners. You shouldn’t have to work out what posters meant. If you are going to post at least make it coherent. We all make typing and grammatical mistakes, me as much as anyone, but to do it constantly...no capitals, full stops or letters in the right order is simply rude and shows a basic disregard for others who have to decipher it.

There have been occasions when I have wished that Davel would take a little more care, although I always understand what he is saying.  And at least his errors are down to Speed and not Ignorance.

At this Time, may I draw attention to the use of Capital Letters in place of actual words.  I often don't know what some of you are talking about.

PS.  I make mistakes as well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 14, 2020, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 11:51:51 AM
There have been occasions when I have wished that Davel would take a little more care, although I always understand what he is saying.  And at least his errors are down to Speed and not Ignorance.

At this Time, may I draw attention to the use of Capital Letters in place of actual words.  I often don't know what some of you are talking about.

PS.  I make mistakes as well.

Who is PS?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 14, 2020, 11:43:19 AM
Familiarity with the vagaries of typos, predictive text and spell checkers is not a matter of intellect, but of specific knowledge. Having seen the results of using those features my intellect informs me that they don't solve the problems associated with careless typing.

The Knowledge is obvious if you pause for a minute and actually look.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 14, 2020, 11:53:47 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 11:51:13 AM
That could be a problem, don't you think?
....and there's why this place is merely a forum and not a community. Which is sad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 14, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 11:42:12 AM
I agree to a certain extent ...perhaps I just don't have much respect for some on this forum

Perhaps we could all learn something from this article and improve the way the forum members interact;

https://www.psychreg.org/respect-other-peoples-opinion/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 11:57:36 AM
Perhaps we need to refocus our attention and stop giving a certain member the attention he so obviously craves. Like a child, good or bad attention, it’s all the same to him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 11:53:47 AM
....and there's why this place is merely a forum and not a community. Which is sad.

If it was a community, it would be like East and West Berlin.  We'd need a wall.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 14, 2020, 12:00:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
The Knowledge is obvious if you pause for a minute and actually look.

It obviously isn't, hence the discussion. I have never used predictive text or a spell checker, so my typos remain typos which I can easily explain if asked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 12:04:14 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 11:53:47 AM
....and there's why this place is merely a forum and not a community. Which is sad.

When even a discussion about typos is factional what hope is there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 14, 2020, 12:00:26 PM
It obviously isn't, hence the discussion. I have never used predictive text or a spell checker, so my typos remain typos which I can easily explain if asked.
And I respect your honesty so I'll correct them if needed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:19:40 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 11:57:36 AM
Perhaps we need to refocus our attention and stop giving a certain member the attention he so obviously craves. Like a child, good or bad attention, it’s all the same to him.

This Comment could be seen as Offensive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:22:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 14, 2020, 12:00:26 PM
It obviously isn't, hence the discussion. I have never used predictive text or a spell checker, so my typos remain typos which I can easily explain if asked.

You are a Moderator so more care is required.

I don't know how to turn off Predictive Text.  So I have to reread everything I type, But still I miss some.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 11:53:47 AM
....and there's why this place is merely a forum and not a community. Which is sad.

I don't agree.  This Forum is a bloody community.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 11:51:13 AM
That could be a problem, don't you think?

The person who  made this post is incredibly rude imo so is in no position to pontificate.  Both you and her have called me a liar or dishonest several times . Why should I have respect for either of you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:24:19 PM
I don't agree.  This Forum is a bloody community.

Agreed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 11:57:36 AM
Perhaps we need to refocus our attention and stop giving a certain member the attention he so obviously craves. Like a child, good or bad attention, it’s all the same to him.

Thanks for proving my point.. Your insults are water off a ducks back but how can you pontificate about manners and respect with posts like that. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 14, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:24:19 PM
I don't agree.  This Forum is a bloody community.
It's not. There's nothing remotely communal about the total lack of trust and respect displayed by both sides of the scism.
A community might exist in camera between supporters, but the forum, or at least this section, is nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
It's not. There's nothing remotely communal about the total lack of trust and respect displayed by both sides of the scism.
A community might exist in camera between supporters, but the forum, or at least this section, is noting of the sort.

Whoops, you made a Typo there.

So why do you think all of us keep on coming back?  I think it is rather sweet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 14, 2020, 12:40:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:38:43 PM
Whoops, you made a Typo there.

So why do you think all of us keep on coming back?  I think it is rather sweet.
It's not for the community spirit, that's a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:42:22 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 12:40:54 PM
It's not for the community spirit, that's a fact.

It's for the good of all of us who enjoy a punch up and often have nothing better to do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 12:42:53 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
It's not. There's nothing remotely communal about the total lack of trust and respect displayed by both sides of the scism.
A community might exist in camera between supporters, but the forum, or at least this section, is nothing of the sort.

I don't think that's, true... I have respect for you... And ICHTT... to name but two... I have , respect for some other [ censored word] and see them as simply misguided... Some are just plain rude
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 14, 2020, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 11:57:36 AM
Perhaps we need to refocus our attention and stop giving a certain member the attention he so obviously craves. Like a child, good or bad attention, it’s all the same to him.
And that's just yer basic ad hom right there. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 14, 2020, 12:46:14 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 12:40:54 PM
It's not for the community spirit, that's a fact.
It is a community - a community of people with a common interest split roughly into two camps, each side appearing to detest the other with a passion.  You know what they say about there being a thin line between love and hate?  It's that which keeps us coming back
IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:19:40 PM
This Comment could be seen as Offensive.

So are many of the comments made by that poster. Time to be fair Eleanor and stop letting him hide behind your skirts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
It's not. There's nothing remotely communal about the total lack of trust and respect displayed by both sides of the scism.
A community might exist in camera between supporters, but the forum, or at least this section, is nothing of the sort.

So why do you persist?  Not just to cause trouble, surely?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 14, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 12:57:32 PM
So why do you persist?  Not just to cause trouble, surely?
It doesn't have to a community for people to turn up. But it helps.
And your reply personifies my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 12:52:08 PM
So are many of the comments made by that poster. Time to be fair Eleanor and stop letting him hide behind your skirts.

So, you are all as bad as each other?  That's not a problem for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 14, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 14, 2020, 12:46:14 PM
It is a community - a community of people with a common interest split roughly into two camps, each side appearing to detest the other with a passion.  You know what they say about there being a thin line between love and hate?  It's that which keeps us coming back
IMO.
That's not a community, that's a contest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
It doesn't have to a community for people to turn up. But it helps.
And your reply personifies my opinion.

Agrandissement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 14, 2020, 01:08:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 01:05:01 PM
Agrandissement?
Well, in one post you seem to be extolling the virtues of a punch up, then the next I'm 'causing trouble'.
All in the spirit of community, of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
That's not a community, that's a contest.

And a rather ignoble one at that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
That's not a community, that's a contest.

What do boxers often do at the end of the contest
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 14, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 01:08:57 PM
And a rather ignoble one at that.
....like bare knuckle fighting in a pub car park, but only one protagonist gets cautioned for biting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 01:12:41 PM
I think on the whole it's good natured... But there us at least one with quite vicious nasty streak..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 01:29:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 01:12:41 PM
I think on the whole it's good natured... But there us at least one with quite vicious nasty streak..

It is good natured on the whole.  But you always get rabble rousers in any situation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
....like bare knuckle fighting in a pub car park, but only one protagonist gets cautioned for biting.

It's awful these days... Not very ladylike at all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 14, 2020, 01:46:02 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
That's not a community, that's a contest.
What's your idea of a community?  Everyone holding hands and singing "Kumbaya"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 14, 2020, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 14, 2020, 01:46:02 PM
What's your idea of a community?  Everyone holding hands and singing "Kumbaya"?
I don't think sitting around singing the Lion King will achieve a great deal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 14, 2020, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 02:22:39 PM
I don't think sitting around singing the Lion King will achieve a great deal.
Oh I see, we're here to achieve something.  Jolly good. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 14, 2020, 02:47:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 14, 2020, 02:37:57 PM
Oh I see, we're here to achieve something.  Jolly good.
I actually meant all the productive things that could be achieved instead.
But clearly holding hands and singing is important to you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 14, 2020, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: The General on December 14, 2020, 02:47:09 PM
I actually meant all the productive things that could be achieved instead.
But clearly holding hands and singing is important to you.
I thought you were quite good at comprehension but seems I was mistaken.  Whatever gave you the impression that holding hands and singing was important to me?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 06:44:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
Thanks for proving my point.. Your insults are water off a ducks back but how can you pontificate about manners and respect with posts like that.
Did YOU guess she was speaking about you (Davel)?  I thought she was talking about me (Robittybob1).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 06:44:21 PM
Did guess she was speaking about you?  I thought she was talking about me.

again rob your post doesnt really make sense...did you mean,,,...did you guess she was speaking about you..

in your sentence the verb guess doesnt have a subject
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 01:12:41 PM
I think on the whole it's good natured... But there us at least one with quite vicious nasty streak..
I'd get very wild if I thought you're talking about me!   8()(((@#  8()(((@#  8()(((@#
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 06:52:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 06:46:10 PM
again rob your post doesnt really make sense...did you mean,,,...did you guess she was speaking about you
I should have said "Did YOU guess she was speaking about you?  I thought she was talking about me." 


I've edited my post to make it crystal clear "Did YOU guess she was speaking about you (Davel)?  I thought she was talking about me (Robittybob1)."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 06:55:00 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 06:52:41 PM
I should have said "Did YOU guess she was speaking about you?  I thought she was talking about me."

Depends which post you mean...Just want to know if im ok to refer to the poster as dishonest and  a liar
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 06:55:00 PM
Depends which post you mean...Just want to know if im ok to refer to the poster as dishonest and  a liar
Is that an admission of some sort?  Could you clarify what you mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 14, 2020, 07:46:18 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 01:29:23 PM
It is good natured on the whole.  But you always get rabble rousers in any situation.


Yep, I'm here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 06:58:53 PM
Is that an admission of some sort?  Could you clarify what you mean?
Is it acceptable to call another poster a liar or dishonest?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 07:50:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 07:46:18 PM

Yep, I'm here.

You aren't very good at it, are you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
Is it acceptable to call another poster a liar or dishonest?

I would Delete both of those.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 14, 2020, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 07:50:49 PM
You aren't very good at it, are you.

Better than you'll ever know.

Too many do gooders on here for a decent night out.


Still back to topic, any charges yet, thought not, new year will happen first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 14, 2020, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 07:56:46 PM
Better than you'll ever know.

Too many do gooders on here for a decent night out.


Still back to topic, any charges yet, thought not, new year will happen first.


I'll drink to that   ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:00:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
Is it acceptable to call another poster a liar or dishonest?
You ought to ask yourself the same question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:00:35 PM
You ought to ask yourself the same question.

I'm asking  you as a mod to clarify it... But you can't answer the question
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 08:04:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 07:51:40 PM
I would Delete both of those.

I would hope so but both have been used and not deleted..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 08:03:26 PM
I'm asking  you as a mod to clarify it... But you can't answer the question
You are worse than my ex with your persistent questioning.    You taught me I don't have to answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 14, 2020, 07:59:40 PM

I'll drink to that   ?{)(**

Hors  d'oeuvre

https://youtu.be/5AywIL5_eYM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:12:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:07:14 PM
Hors  d'oeuvre

https://youtu.be/5AywIL5_eYM
An hors d'oeuvre, appetiser or starter is a small dish served before a meal in European cuisine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:13:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:07:14 PM
Hors  d'oeuvre

https://youtu.be/5AywIL5_eYM

A neighbour of mine used to call them whores devours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:13:46 PM
A neighbour of mine used to call them whores devours.
What an uncultured neighbourhood!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:06:56 PM
You are worse than my ex with your persistent questioning.    You taught me I don't have to answer.

Your silence  is enough.. The fact you can't answer such a simple question says it all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 14, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
What an uncultured neighbourhood!

Probably lived next door to a brothel
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:25:15 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
What an uncultured neighbourhood!

Ah! but although she came from Greece and had a thirst for knowledge she wanted to live like common people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:25:41 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
What an uncultured neighbourhood!

No airs and graces with Agnes...worth a fortune, lived in a huge house but remained endearingly unsophisticated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:25:15 PM
Ah! but although she came from Greece and had a thirst for knowledge she wanted to live like common people.

Did she want to do whatever common people do?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Did she want to do whatever common people do?

Only took her 30 seconds.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 08:04:58 PM
I would hope so but both have been used and not deleted..

I try to be here 24/7 but I fail occasionally.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:33:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:30:03 PM
Only took her 30 seconds.

But you had to start it somewhere.
.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:38:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 14, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
Your silence  is enough.. The fact you can't answer such a simple question says it all
It actually says nothing if you stopped talking and listened for once.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:41:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:33:54 PM
But you had to start it somewhere.
.

Then pretend you got no money.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 14, 2020, 08:43:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 07:46:18 PM

Yep, I'm here.
Rabble Without The Claws.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:44:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:41:10 PM
Then pretend you got no money.

I heard she laughed and said oh you’re so funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:41:10 PM
Then pretend you got no money.
I think it is time we introduced some Christianity in this raunchy conversation.

Jesus said "don't just pretend you've got no money"

"I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. ... Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."

I suppose you've done that already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:48:04 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:44:54 PM
I heard they laughed and said oh you’re so funny.

I can't see anyone else smiling in here, are you sure ?


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:46:19 PM
I think it is time we introduced some Christianity in this raunchy conversation.

Jesus said "don't just pretend you've got no money"

"I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. ... Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."

I suppose you've done that already.


If you don't happen to like it, pass me by
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:51:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:50:01 PM

If you don't happen to like it, pass me by
What are you talking about.  I started it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:52:31 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:48:04 PM
I can't see anyone else smiling in here, are you sure ?

She said she just wanted to live like common people and, strangely, she wanted to do what common people do....odd I know ( shrugs shoulders)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:54:58 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 08:51:45 PM
What are you talking about.  I started it.

Talking in song Rob.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:52:31 PM
She said she just wanted to live like common people and, strangely, she wanted to do what common people do....odd I know ( shrugs shoulders)


Because there's nothing else to do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:55:53 PM

Because there's nothing else to do.

True story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 08:57:28 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:52:31 PM
She said she just wanted to live like common people and, strangely, she wanted to do what common people do....odd I know ( shrugs shoulders)

What do common people do?  I'd love to know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:59:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 08:57:28 PM
What do common people do?  I'd love to know.

Whatever they damn well please..no inhibitions you see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 14, 2020, 08:54:58 PM
Talking in song Rob.


Let's have a singalong while we are waiting for HCW to release the next little morsel of evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 14, 2020, 08:59:17 PM
Whatever they damn well please..no inhibitions you see.

Ah.  How frightfully common.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 15, 2020, 06:03:22 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 14, 2020, 09:15:48 PM
Ah.  How frightfully common.
And they burn so bright whilst you can only wonder why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 15, 2020, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 15, 2020, 06:03:22 AM
And they burn so bright whilst you can only wonder why.

You might wonder even more so if you knew my origins.  So thanks for the compliment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 15, 2020, 12:03:13 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 14, 2020, 06:44:21 PM
Did YOU guess she was speaking about you (Davel)?  I thought she was talking about me (Robittybob1).
 

I don't know if it's because it's the season of good will or if I'm just having a funny half hour but I laughed a lot at that answer Rob.   You pointing out that you was [Davel]  and me was [Robittybob1]  as if you wouldn't  know who you were   @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 15, 2020, 09:18:07 PM

Has anyone seen this?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/madeleine-mccanns-parents-describe-probe-into-christian-brueckner-as-beyond-bizarre/P5TMWXG4XJQJE72D254SDLSIS4/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 15, 2020, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 15, 2020, 09:18:07 PM
Has anyone seen this?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/madeleine-mccanns-parents-describe-probe-into-christian-brueckner-as-beyond-bizarre/P5TMWXG4XJQJE72D254SDLSIS4/

The double jeopardy rule....surely that’s the same in most countries? Even in the U.K. someone can only be tried twice in exceptional circumstances. This sounds very much like an excuse to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 15, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 15, 2020, 09:26:32 PM
The double jeopardy rule....surely that’s the same in most countries? Even in the U.K. someone can only be tried twice in exceptional circumstances. This sounds very much like an excuse to me.

Excuse from whom?

I have seen Double Jeopardy mentioned, but I don't know much about what it means.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 15, 2020, 10:01:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 15, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Excuse from whom?

I have seen Double Jeopardy mentioned, but I don't know much about what it means.

From Wolter for not charging Brueckner.

If a defendant is acquitted and later more evidence comes to light under the rule of double jeopardy he can be tried again but it is very rare for this to happen even in the U.K. Very few cases are without risk for the prosecution and if Wolter’s excuse was true no case would ever come to court.


‘Germany[edit]
The Basic Law (Grundgesetz) for the Federal Republic of Germany protects against double jeopardy if a final verdict is pronounced. A verdict is final if nobody appeals against it.
Nobody shall be punished multiple times for the same crime on the basis of general criminal law.
— Art. 103 (3) GG[22][23]
However, each trial party can appeal against a verdict in the first instance. The prosecution or the defendants can appeal against a judgement if they disagree with it. In this case, the trial starts again in the second instance, the court of appeal (Berufungsgericht), which reconsiders the facts and reasons and delivers a final judgement.
If one of the parties disagrees with the second instance's judgement, they can appeal it only for formal judicial reasons. The case will checked in the third instance (Revisionsgericht), whether all laws are applied correctly.
The rule applies to the whole "historical event, which is usually considered a single historical course of actions the separation of which would seem unnatural". This is true even if new facts occur that indicate other crimes.
The Penal Procedural Code (Strafprozessordnung) permits a retrial (Wiederaufnahmeverfahren), if it is in favor of the defendant or if the following events had happened:
A retrial not in favour of the defendant is permissible after a final judgement,
if a document that was considered authentic during the trial was actually not authentic or forged,
if a witness or authorised expert wilfully or negligently made a wrong deposition or wilfully gave a wrong simple testimony,
if a professional or lay judge, who made the decision, had committed a crime by violating his or her duties as a judge in the case
if an acquitted defendant makes a credible confession in court or out of court.
— § 362 StPO
In the case of an order of summary punishment, which can be issued by the court without a trial for lesser misdemeanours, there is a further exception:
A retrial not in favour of the defendant is also permissible if the defendant has been convicted in a final order of summary punishment and new facts or evidence have been brought forward, which establish grounds for a conviction of a felony by themselves or in combination with earlier evidence.
— § 373a StPO
In Germany, a felony is defined by § 12 (1) StGB as a crime that has a minimum of one year of imprisonment.’
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 15, 2020, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 15, 2020, 10:01:06 PM
From Wolter for not charging Brueckner.

If a defendant is acquitted and later more evidence comes to light under the rule of double jeopardy he can be tried again but it is very rare for this to happen even in the U.K. Very few cases are without risk for the prosecution and if Wolter’s excuse was true no case would ever come to court.

Thanks.

So with new evidence Brueckner could be charged again?  But then there wouldn't be much point without new evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 15, 2020, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 15, 2020, 10:08:13 PM
Thanks.

So with new evidence Brueckner could be charged again?  But then there wouldn't be much point without new evidence.

I tagged a little bit more on to my previous post which explains the German system. It appears a final verdict isn’t necessarily the end of the process.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 15, 2020, 10:30:23 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 15, 2020, 10:24:27 PM
I tagged a little bit more on to my previous post which explains the German system. It appears a final verdict isn’t necessarily the end of the process.

Oh, okay.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 16, 2020, 12:47:23 AM
Double jeopardy is not an excuse it's a reason why Wolters is in no hurry.  Rob  and I both discussed this before Wolters said anything about it as it is a pertinent point.
CB is locked up... Wolters wants to build a solid a case as possible... He's in no hurry .
He seems very competent to me


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:02:25 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 16, 2020, 12:47:23 AM
Double jeopardy is not an excuse it's a reason why Wolters is in no hurry.  Rob  and I both discussed this before Wolters said anything about it as it is a pertinent point.
CB is locked up... Wolters wants to build a solid a case as possible... He's in no hurry .
He seems very competent to me
The legend is writ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 16, 2020, 07:54:29 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:02:25 AM
The legend is writ.

The McCann legend was, written 13 years, ago based on discredited evidence... I didn't hear you complaining then
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 16, 2020, 08:12:48 AM
CB wont be questioned anytime soon. Questioning will trigger disclosure...CB will say nothing. Wolters will have disclosed his evidence and gained nothing.

In the meantime Wolters is applying psychological pressure on CB by making his statements to the public.

CB will be questioned once Wolters is ready to charge and any silence then...as the saying goes...may harm his defence. He has to choose between speaking and harming his defence.

i think wolters is palying a very shrewd game.....all my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 16, 2020, 08:12:48 AM
CB wont be questioned anytime soon. Questioning will trigger disclosure...CB will say nothing. Wolters will have disclosed his evidence and gained nothing.

In the meantime Wolters is applying psychological pressure on CB by making his statements to the public.

CB will be questioned once Wolters is ready to charge and any silence then...as the saying goes...may harm his defence. He has to choose between speaking and harming his defence.

i think wolters is palying a very shrewd game.....all my opinion.

If Wolter’s evidence is concrete, as he claimed, even with disclosure the facts or the facts. What could Brueckner do?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 10:42:46 AM
If Wolter’s evidence is concrete, as he claimed, even with disclosure the facts or the facts. What could Brueckner do?
Police routinely withold im[portant evidence against their suspects for strategic reasons - why do you think they do that?  Have a little think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 16, 2020, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 10:42:46 AM
If Wolter’s evidence is concrete, as he claimed, even with disclosure the facts or the facts. What could Brueckner do?

First Wolters has said that revealing evidence may compromise witness statements  as the defence can claim their recall has been influenced by what they have heard

Secondly.. The Germans may be investigating others, as part if a large operation

Third.. Wolters may well want to release his evidence as late, as possible to a trial to give CB as little time as possible to come up with a counter argument

And fourth... Reasons known only to the experienced professional prosecutor

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 16, 2020, 11:43:33 AM
First Wolters has said that revealing evidence may compromise witness statements  as the defence can claim their recall has been influenced by what they have heard

Secondly.. The Germans may be investigating others, as part if a large operation

Third.. Wolters may well want to release his evidence as late, as possible to a trial to give CB as little time as possible to come up with a counter argument

And fourth... Reasons known only to the experienced professional prosecutor

Firstly are you suggesting that witnesses may lie in their statements or be so intellectually challenged that they can’t recognise reality from fiction?

Secondly Wolter has already said that he thinks Brueckner worked alone.

Thirdly  again if a Wolter’s evidence s as ‘concrete’ as he says nothing will change it. The facts are the facts.

And fourth Wolter is a glory hunter. No professional prosecutor would agree to answer questions on an ongoing case on a niche podcast.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 16, 2020, 12:52:05 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 12:39:30 PM
Firstly are you suggesting that witnesses may lie in their statements or be so intellectually challenged that they can’t recognise reality from fiction?

Secondly Wolter has already said that he thinks Brueckner worked alone.

Thirdly  again if a Wolter’s evidence s as ‘concrete’ as he says nothing will change it. The facts are the facts.

And fourth Wolter is a glory hunter. No professional prosecutor would agree to answer questions on an ongoing case on a niche podcast.
You see things far to simplistically and haven't understood my first point.  It's the fact.. As Wolters has explained...that the witness could have been influenced.
Secondly.. CB may have worked alone but the wider investigation could involve others he interacted with on the net

Thirdly... Wolters hasn't claimed proof which is what you are referring too

Fourthly... Wolters being some kind if crank is the only explanation fir your sceptic viewpoint but I would say it's so unlikely as to be high impossible.

I think your whole viewpoint is coloured by your confirmation bias
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 16, 2020, 12:52:05 PM
You see things far to simplistically and haven't understood my first point.  It's the fact.. As Wolters has explained...that the witness could have been influenced.
Secondly.. CB may have worked alone but the wider investigation could involve others he interacted with on the net

Thirdly... Wolters hasn't claimed proof which is what you are referring too

Fourthly... Wolters being some kind if crank is the only explanation fir your sceptic viewpoint but I would say it's so unlikely as to be high impossible.

I think your whole viewpoint is coloured by your confirmation bias

The only thing that will influence witnesses is Wolter’s incessant need to be before the camera.

Wolter said the Brueckner worked alone.

Wolter has said he has ‘concrete’ evidence. If he is so sure why not open it up to scrutiny? What is he afraid of?

You used the word crank. I have never ever seen a policeman, let alone a prosecutor, behave in the manner Wolter has. His very behaviour reeks of desperation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 16, 2020, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 01:07:05 PM
The only thing that will influence witnesses is Wolter’s incessant need to be before the camera.

Wolter said the Brueckner worked alone.

Wolter has said he has ‘concrete’ evidence. If he is so sure why not open it up to scrutiny? What is he afraid of?

You used the word crank. I have never ever seen a policeman, let alone a prosecutor, behave in the manner Wolter has. His very behaviour reeks of desperation.

Your posts reek of desperation..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 16, 2020, 01:16:51 PM
Your posts reek of desperation..

No problem.

Can I advise you then not to read them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 01:24:16 PM
No problem.

Can I advise you then not to read them?

Yay.  Let's put everybody on Ignore.  That might be fun.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 01:30:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
Yay.  Let's put everybody on Ignore.  That might be fun.

It’s a solution.....not one I’m advocating...but it is a solution.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 16, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 01:24:16 PM
No problem.

Can I advise you then not to read them?

Or responding to you..that's one piece of advice from you that might be worth taking
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
Yay.  Let's put everybody on Ignore.  That might be fun.

No no, one would miss so much unintentional humour if you did that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 16, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
Or responding to you..that's one piece of advice from you that might be worth taking

That one would work too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 01:39:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
No no, one would miss so much unintentional humour if you did that.

My humour is never unintentional.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 02:19:17 PM
In my opinion you only put people on ignore that you know will beat you in every debate.  8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 02:26:06 PM
I put people on ignore when I can no longer tolerate the repetition of their ridiculous ideas.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 02:27:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 02:26:06 PM
I put people on ignore when I can no longer tolerate the repetition of their ridiculous ideas.

I know the feeling.  But I battle on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 02:19:17 PM
In my opinion you only put people on ignore that you know will beat you in every debate.  8(>((

You see, that's part of the problem - some people view it as some sort of stupid contest instead of an  exchange of views. - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 02:26:06 PM
I put people on ignore when I can no longer tolerate the repetition of their ridiculous ideas.

I used to think like that but now I prefer not to use the ignore button and simply not answer their posts. That way you get all the fun of watching the member stalk you remorselessly around the board with no need to answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 02:34:26 PM
I used to think like that but now I prefer not to use the ignore button and simply not answer their posts. That way you get all the fun of watching the member stalk you remorselessly around the board with no need to answer.

Very sensible.  I often do this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 02:32:14 PM
You see, that's part of the problem - some people view it as some sort of stupid contest instead of an  exchange of views. - IMO
Exactly - I wish they would just grow up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 03:21:28 PM
And then there are those who are so deluded by their own sense of self-importance that they actually believe they have stalkers on this forum.  It would be funny if it wasn't so pitiful and paranoid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 03:35:11 PM

Any new thoughts on the now Not New German Suspect?

Did he have an accomplice, does anyone think?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 03:35:11 PM
Any new thoughts on the now Not New German Suspect?

Did he have an accomplice, does anyone think?

Wolter doesn’t seem to think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 03:35:11 PM
Any new thoughts on the now Not New German Suspect?

Did he have an accomplice, does anyone think?

So you're saying he's guilty?

Based on what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 16, 2020, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 03:35:11 PM
Any new thoughts on the now Not New German Suspect?

Did he have an accomplice, does anyone think?
HCW thinks he was talking to someone on his own phone in the locale for 30 minutes just prior to committing some sort of associated crime.
But, just to add further intrigue, as his his wont, this mystery caller is 'not a suspect'.
The 'not a suspect' has hitherto declined to make him / herself known.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 03:43:23 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 03:36:10 PM
Wolter doesn’t seem to think so.

If indeed he did abduct Madeleine then I can't see how he did it alone.  I appears to me to have been too well planned.

I don't entirely understand Phone Pings.  I know that nowadays they can more or less isolate the area in which a phone is used.  But could they do this then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
So you're saying he's guilty?

Based on what?

I have said no such thing.  I am simply exploring possibilities.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 03:40:50 PM
HCW thinks he was talking to someone on his own phone in the locale for 30 minutes just prior to committing some sort of associated crime.
But, just to add further intrigue, as his his wont, this mystery caller is 'not a suspect'.
The 'not a suspect' has hitherto declined to make him / herself known.

Did I not read somewhere that the person who made the call was not in the area?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 03:43:23 PM
If indeed he did abduct Madeleine then I can't see how he did it alone.  I appears to me to have been too well planned.

I don't entirely understand Phone Pings.  I know that nowadays they can more or less isolate the area in which a phone is used.  But could they do this then?

He seems to be too much of a loose cannon for any professional criminal to trust him to carry out a daring abduction. If he did it....and I don’t believe he did....he knew that the children were alone and took his opportunity. Of course this scenario doesn’t bode well for Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 16, 2020, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 03:47:36 PM
Did I not read somewhere that the person who made the call was not in the area?
I don't know. But if it's all boiling down to this phone call as being inculpatory, then no wonder he hasn't been arrested. It's been 6 months since the phone number was released and the appeal launched - if this person exists, and I've no reason to believe they don't, given that phone records generally don't lie, then dude is in the wind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 16, 2020, 03:55:26 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 03:49:04 PM
He seems to be too much of a loose cannon for any professional criminal to trust him to carry out a daring abduction. If he did it....and I don’t believe he did....he knew that the children were alone and took his opportunity. Of course this scenario doesn’t bode well for Madeleine.
I wouldn't pick him to collect acorns for squirrels. He's an impulsive sex fiend, so the accomplice thing is a non-starter.
Equally, he's a proper ****, so there's no way he trundles off with a child and nips around Europe in his school bus undetected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 03:49:04 PM
He seems to be too much of a loose cannon for any professional criminal to trust him to carry out a daring abduction. If he did it....and I don’t believe he did....he knew that the children were alone and took his opportunity. Of course this scenario doesn’t bode well for Madeleine.

Sorry.  I am not discussing what might have happened to Madeleine at the hands of a paedophile.

I continue to believe that Madeleine was abducted to be passed on to a family.

But please let me make it plain, again.  I have no idea if Brueckner did this and I won't until I see the evidence, possibly not even then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 03:52:03 PM
I don't know. But if it's all boiling down to this phone call as being inculpatory, then no wonder he hasn't been arrested. It's been 6 months since the phone number was released and the appeal launched - if this person exists, and I've no reason to believe they don't, given that phone records generally don't lie, then dude is in the wind.

It could have been an unregistered Phone.  Easy to come by then, but not nowadays.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:04:10 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 03:55:26 PM
I wouldn't pick him to collect acorns for squirrels. He's an impulsive sex fiend, so the accomplice thing is a non-starter.
Equally, he's a proper ****, so there's no way he trundles off with a child and nips around Europe in his school bus undetected.

He could have been more interested in the money.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:06:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:00:07 PM
Sorry.  I am not discussing what might have happened to Madeleine at the hands of a paedophile.

I continue to believe that Madeleine was abducted to be passed on to a family.

But please let me make it plain, again.  I have no idea if Brueckner did this and I won't until I see the evidence, possibly not even then.

Believe me Eleanor I don’t want to discuss it either but if Brueckner is involved that’s the most likely scenario.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 03:52:03 PM
I don't know. But if it's all boiling down to this phone call as being inculpatory, then no wonder he hasn't been arrested. It's been 6 months since the phone number was released and the appeal launched - if this person exists, and I've no reason to believe they don't, given that phone records generally don't lie, then dude is in the wind.

Of course, if the recipient of this call was not Brueckner, then there is no reason for the caller to come forward as there would be no reason to think he was being asked to do so
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:04:10 PM
He could have been more interested in the money.

No one would give Brueckner that sort of responsibility. And then there’s the question, why Madeleine? She could inform people of her true identity. Better to take Amelie who is very like Madeleine physically but with none of Madeleine’s drawbacks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:11:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:06:01 PM
Believe me Eleanor I don’t want to discuss it either but if Brueckner is involved that’s the most likely scenario.

Not necessarily.  And I'm not going there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
Of course, if the recipient of this call was not Brueckner, then there is no reason for the caller to come forward as there would be no reason to think he was being asked to do so

It was Brueckner's phone.  Who else could have answered it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 04:15:32 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
It was Brueckner's phone.  Who else could have answered it?

Who says ?
I believe Wolters said that it was thought to be his phone.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/mysterious-phone-call-holds-key-22403399

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8480137/Christian-Brueckner-call-club-Madeleine-parents-staying.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:17:59 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:11:17 PM
No one would give Brueckner that sort of responsibility. And then there’s the question, why Madeleine? She could inform people of her true identity. Better to take Amelie who is very like Madeleine physically but with none of Madeleine’s drawbacks.

Brueckner was an adept Burglar.  Who better?

Amelie was not a good idea for several reasons.

Me personally?  I have very little memory of when I was four years old.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:17:59 PM
Brueckner was an adept Burglar.  Who better?

Amelie was not a good idea for several reasons.

Me personally?  I have very little memory of when I was four years old.

He wasn't that good at burglary if he got caught for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 04:15:32 PM
Who says ?
I believe Wolters said that it was thought to be his phone.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/mysterious-phone-call-holds-key-22403399

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8480137/Christian-Brueckner-call-club-Madeleine-parents-staying.html

So what have we got?

The phone was registered to Brueckner but they don't know why he might have lent it to someone else to receive a half hour phone call.

They don't know who made a call to Brueckner's phone.

Brueckner's phone was in the area at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:35:16 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 04:22:31 PM
He wasn't that good at burglary if he got caught for it.

How many times did he not get caught.  Many, it seems.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:17:59 PM
Brueckner was an adept Burglar.  Who better?

Amelie was not a good idea for several reasons.

Me personally?  I have very little memory of when I was four years old.

There’s a difference between taking a camera and a, possibly wriggling and squealing 4 year old and why wasn’t Amelie a good idea?

Further it’s less about what Madeleine may have remembered but what she could have vocalised at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:36:58 PM
There’s a difference between taking a camera and a, possibly wriggling and squealing 4 year old and why wasn’t Amelie a good idea?

Further it’s less about what Madeleine may have remembered but what she could have vocalised at the time.

I believe that some sedation was used.

Use your common sense about Amelie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:42:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
It was Brueckner's phone.  Who else could have answered it?

Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:02:44 PM
It could have been an unregistered Phone.  Easy to come by then, but not nowadays.

Can't be both. Schroedinger's Phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:44:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:40:55 PM
I believe that some sedation was used.

Use your common sense about Amelie.

Brueckner sedated Madeleine? Why when he had never used sedation before?

If a couple wanted a child surely they wouldn’t care about nappies etc?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:42:34 PM
Can't be both. Schroedinger's Phone.

Twisting what I said and cherry picking.  Of no use to the discussion whatsoever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:48:18 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:44:49 PM
Brueckner sedated Madeleine? Why when he had never used sedation before?

If a couple wanted a child surely they wouldn’t care about nappies etc?

I don't think Brueckner has ever been accused of abducting a child before.

The age of the child could have been important.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:51:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:45:20 PM
Twisting what I said and cherry picking.  Of no use to the discussion whatsoever.
Not at all. And it's very pertinent. In fact it's pivotal. It's his phone someone rang and held a connection with for 30 minutes on the night. That seems to be fact. So it's no throwaway, it's his phone.
But that doesn't mean he was using it, or using it in the vicinity of 5a and note even the might of the German police and all of their intelligence resources are able to establish who the owner of the phone was.
They must have established whether it was a throwaway and may even have narrowed it's purchase down to where and when and how. Yet they've hit a dead end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:44:49 PM
Brueckner sedated Madeleine? Why when he had never used sedation before?

If a couple wanted a child surely they wouldn’t care about nappies etc?
Who in the general public would be most adept at administering such sedative?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 04:58:57 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 01:24:16 PM
No problem.

Can I advise you then not to read them?
Or at least read them at arm's length.  Put on surgical gloves and safety glasses before handling the phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:59:39 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:56:16 PM
Who in the general public would be most adept at administering such sedative?

Indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:51:52 PM
Not at all. And it's very pertinent. In fact it's pivotal. It's his phone someone rang and held a connection with for 30 minutes on the night. That seems to be fact. So it's no throwaway, it's his phone.
But that doesn't mean he was using it, or using it in the vicinity of 5a and note even the might of the German police and all of their intelligence resources are able to establish who the owner of the phone was.
They must have established whether it was a throwaway and may even have narrowed it's purchase down to where and when and how. Yet they've hit a dead end.

Precisely.  The caller's phone could have been unregistered.

"Hey, Mate, lend me your phone for the evening."  "Okay, Mate, there you go."

In which case why has Brueckner not said so?

You seem to forget that I am actually defending him, within the bounds of Legal Reasoning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:01:22 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
Yay.  Let's put everybody on Ignore.  That might be fun.
The temptation is hard to resist. I bet you sneak a view.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 02:19:17 PM
In my opinion you only put people on ignore that you know will beat you in every debate.  8(>((
Is that why so many had me on ignore?  Interesting observation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:06:20 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:51:52 PM
Not at all. And it's very pertinent. In fact it's pivotal. It's his phone someone rang and held a connection with for 30 minutes on the night. That seems to be fact. So it's no throwaway, it's his phone.
But that doesn't mean he was using it, or using it in the vicinity of 5a and note even the might of the German police and all of their intelligence resources are able to establish who the owner of the phone was.
They must have established whether it was a throwaway and may even have narrowed it's purchase down to where and when and how. Yet they've hit a dead end.

Even if it was a burner, it might have been stolen in the first place - I imagine there might be quite a market for untraceable phones, just as there is for untraceable guns.
As far as I'm aware police have never revealed the location of this other phone, which I'd have thought would have been useful in identifying the caller.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:00:26 PM
Precisely.  The caller's phone could have been unregistered.

"Hey, Mate, lend me your phone for the evening."  "Okay, Mate, there you go."

In which case why has Brueckner not said so?

You seem to forget that I am actually defending him, within the bounds of Legal Reasoning.

Has anyone asked him? I thought police hadn't questioned him yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:09:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 04:22:31 PM
He wasn't that good at burglary if he got caught for it.
Every time he burgled?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 04:36:58 PM
There’s a difference between taking a camera and a, possibly wriggling and squealing 4 year old and why wasn’t Amelie a good idea?

Further it’s less about what Madeleine may have remembered but what she could have vocalised at the time.
You can reason with a 4 year old, you can’t with a toddler/baby.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:10:31 PM
You can reason with a 4 year old, you can’t with a toddler/baby.

If you sedate it then you don't need to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:51:52 PM
Not at all. And it's very pertinent. In fact it's pivotal. It's his phone someone rang and held a connection with for 30 minutes on the night. That seems to be fact. So it's no throwaway, it's his phone.
But that doesn't mean he was using it, or using it in the vicinity of 5a and note even the might of the German police and all of their intelligence resources are able to establish who the owner of the phone was.
They must have established whether it was a throwaway and may even have narrowed it's purchase down to where and when and how. Yet they've hit a dead end.
Are you in the habit of lending out your mobile phone?  And if you had and you inew it was used in the vicinity of a child abduction while you were miles away might you not instruct your brief to pass on the information of who you lent tbe phone to that evening (as if!)?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:11:38 PM
If you sedate it then you don't need to.
I don’t think sedation was used.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:14:24 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:56:16 PM
Who in the general public would be most adept at administering such sedative?

Google "Making Chloroform."  It's very easy.  Anyone can do it.  Stick some on a pad and put it in a plastic bag in your pocket. 

And that was a cheap shot at Kate McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:15:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:13:34 PM
Are you in the habit of lending out your mobile phone?  And if you had and you inew it was used in the vicinity of a child abduction while you were miles away might you not instruct your brief to pass on the information of who you lent tbe phone to that evening (as if!)?

Police won't be Brueckner's favourite people so he might be content for them to waste time on what might be  a wild goose chase.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:16:14 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:56:16 PM
Who in the general public would be most adept at administering such sedative?
Bai Jove I think you’ve cracked it!!  Kate McCann was the abductor!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:17:34 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:01:22 PM
The temptation is hard to resist. I bet you sneak a view.

I have never done it, Rob.  How can I moderate this board if I don't know what certain people are saying?  That is plain common sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:17:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:14:09 PM
I don’t think sedation was used.

Nor do I, but apparently Eleanor does.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
Is that why so many had me on ignore?  Interesting observation.

Whoever has you on Ignore is irrelevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:18:53 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:15:29 PM
Police won't be Brueckner's favourite people so he might be content for them to waste time on what might be  a wild goose chase.
He could use it as levearage for a reduced sentence, if he’s innocent but has information that could lead to the true culprit he’s sitting on a goldmine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:19:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:17:59 PM
Nor do I, but apparently Eleanor does.
What’s that got to do with me?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:06:20 PM

Even if it was a burner, it might have been stolen in the first place - I imagine there might be quite a market for untraceable phones, just as there is for untraceable guns.
As far as I'm aware police have never revealed the location of this other phone, which I'd have thought would have been useful in identifying the caller.

So why do you need to know?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:07:46 PM
Has anyone asked him? I thought police hadn't questioned him yet.

Brueckner's Lawyer has said that Brueckner is saying nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:17:59 PM
Nor do I, but apparently Eleanor does.

I think it is a possibility.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:24:47 PM

Right.  I am off to the party.  Back later.  Please carry on without me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:24:47 PM
Right.  I am off to the party.  Back later.  Please carry on without me.
Enjoy!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:32:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:19:48 PM
So why do you need to know?

I don't need to, but if police had asked " If you were you in Lisbon,or Berlin or wherever, and made a call to PDL on 3rd May , please contact German police" they might have got a better response. IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:34:20 PM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:56:16 PM
Who in the general public would be most adept at administering such sedative?
Fiona Payne was an anaesthetist as well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:42:02 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:34:20 PM
Fiona Payne was an anaesthetist as well.
Aha!  It was the Paynes.  I KNEW it!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:43:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:42:02 PM
Aha!  It was the Paynes.  I KNEW it!!
Did the sedation kill anyone?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:44:49 PM
"Fiona Payne was an anaesthetist as well."  True or false?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:56:59 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:34:20 PM
Fiona Payne was an anaesthetist as well.

Apparently all you need is a gifted amateur who can brew it up in a camper van.   8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 06:00:23 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:44:49 PM
"Fiona Payne was an anaesthetist as well."  True or false?
You’re quoting yourself and asking if it’s true or not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 06:00:58 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 05:43:31 PM
Did the sedation kill anyone?

Alleged sedation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:06:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
Yay.  Let's put everybody on Ignore.  That might be fun.

For the large part, it works for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
So what have we got?

The phone was registered to Brueckner but they don't know why he might have lent it to someone else to receive a half hour phone call.

They don't know who made a call to Brueckner's phone.

Brueckner's phone was in the area at the time.

If he lived in the area why would it be strange to receive a phone call in the area, define area, Parish, Village, housing estate? its endless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
So what have we got?

The phone was registered to Brueckner but they don't know why he might have lent it to someone else to receive a half hour phone call.

They don't know who made a call to Brueckner's phone.

Brueckner's phone was in the area at the time.

Well do you know who else had phones in PDL that they used there that night?

The McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 06:17:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 05:18:53 PM
He could use it as levearage for a reduced sentence, if he’s innocent but has information that could lead to the true culprit he’s sitting on a goldmine.

So when they get around to questioning him, maybe he'll spill the beans.
What his lawyer said in the past may not hold true in the future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:18:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 05:56:59 PM
Apparently all you need is a gifted amateur who can brew it up in a camper van.   8(0(*
Now you are talking about Chloroform.    The question was: "Fiona Payne was an anaesthetist as well."  True or false?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:18:13 PM
Now you are talking about Chloroform.    The question was: "Fiona Payne was an anaesthetist as well."  True or false?

Is it a quiz?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 06:00:23 PM
You’re quoting yourself and asking if it’s true or not?
I'm asking you?   OK, you might prefer to not answer that question but raise some other diversion instead.

Quote from: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
Is it a quiz?
Whatever you make it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:23:49 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 06:00:58 PM
Alleged sedation.
Apparently, a lot of parents are allegedly sedating their kids before bedtime.  How many deaths are attributed to this sedation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:18:13 PM
Now you are talking about Chloroform.    The question was: "Fiona Payne was an anaesthetist as well."  True or false?

Quote from: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
Is it a quiz?

Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:21:47 PM
I'm asking you?   OK, you might prefer to not answer that question but raise some other diversion instead.
Whatever you make it. 


Yes,  she was, maybe still is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 06:37:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 05:00:26 PM
Precisely.  The caller's phone could have been unregistered.

"Hey, Mate, lend me your phone for the evening."  "Okay, Mate, there you go."

In which case why has Brueckner not said so?

You seem to forget that I am actually defending him, within the bounds of Legal Reasoning.
According to Raymond Hewlett’s alibi, wife Marianna Schumaker, he and presumably his phone, were in Lisbon at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. I wonder if this is of any significance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:34:38 PM

Yes,  she was, maybe still is.
Exactly, so don't point the finger at Kate McCann, whoever did that - General (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg631790#msg631790).  Point made.  Moving on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 06:38:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 06:37:01 PM
According to Raymond Hewlett’s alibi, wife Marianna Schumaker, he and presumably his phone, were in Lisbon at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. I wonder if this is of any significance?

As Spike Milligan said " everybody has to be somewhere"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 06:43:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 06:17:06 PM
So when they get around to questioning him, maybe he'll spill the beans.
What his lawyer said in the past may not hold true in the future.
So if the police don’t question him you reckon he’d just sit on this valuable information forever?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 06:43:22 PM
So if the police don’t question him you reckon he’d just sit on this valuable information forever?

If they don't question him, they won't charge him.
He's a criminal, why would he want to cooperative with police?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:46:49 PM


Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:37:20 PM
Exactly, so don't point the finger at Kate McCann, whoever did that - General (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg631790#msg631790).  Point made.  Moving on.

Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 04:56:16 PM
Who in the general public would be most adept at administering such sedative?


Que?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 06:51:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
If they don't question him, they won't charge him.
He's a criminal, why would he want to cooperative with police?
I’ve just explained why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:46:49 PM


Que?
Who was General suggesting in his post http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg631790#msg631790SA ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 06:38:54 PM
As Spike Milligan said " everybody has to be somewhere"
As a drifter with a big family, don’t you find it interesting that he travelled all the way to Lisbon? For what reason? He is also known to have said that he was so close to Madeleine, he could see the mark in her eye.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 06:53:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 16, 2020, 06:46:49 PM


Que?
You can cut out the Manuel act, it’s not clever and it’s not funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 06:54:15 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:52:19 PM
Who was General suggesting in his post http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg631790#msg631790SA ?
I wonder.... *%6^
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 06:55:52 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
As a drifter with a big family, don’t you find it interesting that he travelled all the way to Lisbon? For what reason? He is also known to have said that he was so close to Madeleine, he could see the mark in her eye.

Does a drifter need a reason ? They just go where the mood takes them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:58:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 06:54:15 PM
I wonder.... *%6^
I might have jumped to the conclusion he was implying "Kate McCann".  But now I see he doesn't say anything in fact.  Maybe General needs to be summoned to explain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 07:10:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 06:55:52 PM
Does a drifter need a reason ? They just go where the mood takes them.
You are clearly not interested/capable of engaging in discussing the possible links Brückner may have had with other paedophiles in the Algarve.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 07:10:37 PM
You are clearly not interested/capable of engaging in discussing the possible links Brückner may have had with other paedophiles in the Algarve.

When you come up with something beyond unsupported speculation, then I'll consider it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 16, 2020, 06:58:26 PM
I might have jumped to the conclusion he was implying "Kate McCann".  But now I see he doesn't say anything in fact.  Maybe General needs to be summoned to explain.
Of course he was implying Kate McCann, do you not think the General already knew the answer to his question and where that answer would lead to anyone with a passing interest in the case?  He was being mischievous.  The thing is - it makes no sense.  Kate was an experienced anasthaetist and would have known exactly how much to give a child to ensure they didn’t rouse from their bed to tumble off the balcony.  Nor would she have anaesthetised her own child to abduct her, so, a stupid observation all in IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
As a drifter with a big family, don’t you find it interesting that he travelled all the way to Lisbon? For what reason? He is also known to have said that he was so close to Madeleine, he could see the mark in her eye.

 @)(++(*

& you believe that ?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 16, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 07:27:49 PM
@)(++(*

& you believe that ? @)(++(*

Proof of the power of the MSM right there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 07:51:26 PM

It's amazing no one noticed this creepy old man shoving his face right into Maddie's, since he'd probably have to be within inches to see the mark in her eye.




Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 08:03:37 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 07:27:49 PM
@)(++(*

& you believe that ?  @)(++(*
I believe it was reported he said that, why do you find that so utterly hilarious?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 07:14:40 PM
When you come up with something beyond unsupported speculation, then I'll consider it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189597/Portrait-paedophile-So-did-Raymond-Hewlett-snatch-Maddie.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-search-paedophile-raymond-1453749
When new information is revealed re. Brückner, one would assume that law enforcement will go back to all previous records/information re. paedophiles in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2020, 08:10:44 PM
I believe that paedophiles enjoy winding people up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 08:06:08 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189597/Portrait-paedophile-So-did-Raymond-Hewlett-snatch-Maddie.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-search-paedophile-raymond-1453749
When new information is revealed re. Brückner, one would assume that law enforcement will go back to all previous records/information re. paedophiles in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance. My opinion.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191094/Paedophile-Raymond-Hewlett-admits-I-saw-Madeleine-McCann-twice-disappeared.html
“But yesterday he reportedly implied he had been close enough to see Maddie's distinctive flaw in her right eye”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 08:14:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 08:03:37 PM
I believe it was reported he said that, why do you find that so utterly hilarious?

Because it's total bullshit.

Even the McCanns didn't believe it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 08:16:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 08:10:44 PM
I believe that paedophiles enjoy winding people up.
Please explain what you mean.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 08:14:30 PM
Because it's total bullshit.

Even the McCanns didn't believe it.
Can you please validate that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 08:14:30 PM
Because it's total bullshit.

Even the McCanns didn't believe it.
It’s not bullshit that it was reported, it’s a verifiable fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 16, 2020, 08:10:44 PM
I believe that paedophiles enjoy winding people up.
The little tinkers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 08:30:40 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 16, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
Can you please validate that.


It's in the very article you posted.

'Friends of the McCanns say they are deeply suspicious of his motives after it was revealed that Hewlett has been trying to cash in on the tragedy by demanding money for answers.'

..........

With millions of pounds at their disposal they chose not to risk a few thousand for Hewletts information.

Just think, if you're right & he dunnit then Maddie could have been home by now, but for the McCanns tightfistedness.

Poor Maddie.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 08:39:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 08:30:40 PM

It's in the very article you posted.

'Friends of the McCanns say they are deeply suspicious of his motives after it was revealed that Hewlett has been trying to cash in on the tragedy by demanding money for answers.'

..........

With millions of pounds at their disposal they chose not to risk a few thousand for Hewletts information.

Just think, if you're right & he dunnit then Maddie could have been home by now, but for the McCanns tightfistedness.

Poor Maddie.

From what I remember Hewlett did demand money from McCann Detectives to answer question.  It would have been entirely illegal and worthless to pay him anything at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 08:42:02 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 08:39:41 PM
From what I remember Hewlett did demand money from McCann Detectives to answer question.  It would have been entirely illegal and worthless to pay him anything at all.

I agree, it would be worthless paying him.

Because he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 08:48:17 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 08:42:02 PM
I agree, it would be worthless paying him.

Because he didn't do it.

I don't know if he did do it or not?  And I don't think you do either.  But I very much doubt that he would have admitted to it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 08:48:17 PM
I don't know if he did do it or not?  And I don't think you do either.  But I very much doubt that he would have admitted to it.

Maybe it's just that nobody saw his massive blue truck pull up outside 5a whilst his wife & 6 kids helped snatch Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2020, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 08:50:50 PM
Maybe it's just that nobody saw his massive blue truck pull up outside 5a whilst his wife & 6 kids helped snatch Maddie.

What a very silly reply.  Is this on which you base your belief in his innocence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 08:50:50 PM
Maybe it's just that nobody saw his massive blue truck pull up outside 5a whilst his wife & 6 kids helped snatch Maddie.
No one saw Gerry McCann leaving Apartment 5a with a corpse in his arms so but you believe that happened so...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 16, 2020, 11:08:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 16, 2020, 07:51:26 PM
It's amazing no one noticed this creepy old man shoving his face right into Maddie's, since he'd probably have to be within inches to see the mark in her eye.

Before and after, if she was drugged/sleeping in his van when it was craned on to a ship bound for Morocco he would notice it alright.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 16, 2020, 11:08:09 PM
Fascinating programme on the investigation into Suzy Lamplugh’s disappearance this evening on 5, with many parallels to the investigation into CB imo (not least the fact that the police publicly named John Canaan as their prime suspect despite the fact that to date they have only been able to gather strong circumstantial evidence and therefore unable to bring a successful prosecution).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 17, 2020, 01:17:18 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 11:08:09 PM
Fascinating programme on the investigation into Suzy Lamplugh’s disappearance this evening on 5, with many parallels to the investigation into CB imo (not least the fact that the police publicly named John Canaan as their prime suspect despite the fact that to date they have only been able to gather strong circumstantial evidence and therefore unable to bring a successful prosecution).

I watched it too.  What an absolute monster!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 17, 2020, 06:02:00 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 10:16:22 PM
No one saw Gerry McCann leaving Apartment 5a with a corpse in his arms so but you believe that happened so...
No one saw an alleged abductor walk out of 5a with a child in their arms yet it's what we are led to believe by some to have  happened so why does one scenario outweigh the other, multi £million's and years can't seperate them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 07:07:32 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 17, 2020, 06:02:00 AM
No one saw an alleged abductor walk out of 5a with a child in their arms yet it's what we are led to believe by some to have  happened so why does one scenario outweigh the other, multi £million's and years can't seperate them.
Because it’s the most logical and plausible explanation. And we now have a suspect who very much fits the bill and about whom there is apparently concrete evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 07:54:47 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 07:07:32 AM
*Because it’s the most logical and plausible explanation.* And we now have a suspect who very much fits the bill and about whom there is apparently concrete evidence.

IYO, & what evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 08:00:10 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 07:54:47 AM
IYO, & what evidence?
Yes, in my opinion and all the evidence so far presented plus the evidence the prosecutor has but has not yet revealed.  There is literally zero forensic evidence in the Lamplugh case but it’s obvious who dunnit, all the circumstantial evidence points to it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: puglove on December 17, 2020, 08:07:04 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 11:08:09 PM
Fascinating programme on the investigation into Suzy Lamplugh’s disappearance this evening on 5, with many parallels to the investigation into CB imo (not least the fact that the police publicly named John Canaan as their prime suspect despite the fact that to date they have only been able to gather strong circumstantial evidence and therefore unable to bring a successful prosecution).

They've known for years that she's most likely in a suitcase, in the Grand Union Canal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 08:09:17 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 08:00:10 AM
Yes, in my opinion and all the evidence so far presented plus the evidence the prosecutor has but has not yet revealed.  There is literally zero forensic evidence in the Lamplugh case but it’s obvious who dunnit, all the circumstantial evidence points to it.

So based on evidence you've never seen, & have no idea what it is, you are certain Maddie was abducted.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 08:11:38 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 08:00:10 AM
Yes, in my opinion and all the evidence so far presented plus the evidence the prosecutor has but has not yet revealed.  There is literally zero forensic evidence in the Lamplugh case but it’s obvious who dunnit, all the circumstantial evidence points to it.

Yet no one has ever accused the police of involved of being plonkers.. Or grandstanding.. Or unprofessional
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 08:17:21 AM


Here's a list of all the evidence against Brueckner.

1)










Oh, wait, there isn't any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 08:54:53 AM
Canaan was first questioned in 1989...but was not arrested until 2000.....11 years later...and it wasnt until 2 years later that the evidence was put before the CPS who decided on no prosecution. This means CBs investigation is not  abnormal as some would think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 17, 2020, 09:13:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 08:54:53 AM
Canaan was first questioned in 1989...but was not arrested until 2000.....11 years later...and it wasnt until 2 years later that the evidence was put before the CPS who decided on no prosecution. This means CBs investigation is not  abnormal as some would think.
Are you creating fictional opinions of what 'some' think is an abnormal timescale for investigations to come to fruition?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 09:17:04 AM
Quote from: The General on December 17, 2020, 09:13:50 AM
Are you creating fictional opinions of what 'some' think is an abnormal timescale for investigations come to fruition?

no...posters have made it quite clear...dont need to create anything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 17, 2020, 09:19:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 09:17:04 AM
no...posters have made it quite clear...dont need to create anything
Where?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 16, 2020, 11:08:09 PM
Fascinating programme on the investigation into Suzy Lamplugh’s disappearance this evening on 5, with many parallels to the investigation into CB imo (not least the fact that the police publicly named John Canaan as their prime suspect despite the fact that to date they have only been able to gather strong circumstantial evidence and therefore unable to bring a successful prosecution).

You are right.  They have named John Canaan as the only suspect.  And with a hideous criminal record.

Isn't he in prison at the moment for murdering some other poor girl at around the same time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 01:25:01 PM
Quote from: puglove on December 17, 2020, 08:07:04 AM
They've known for years that she's most likely in a suitcase, in the Grand Union Canal.
Bizarre that the police don't seem to be interested in following up that lead.  They need a good shake.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 08:09:17 AM
So based on evidence you've never seen, & have no idea what it is, you are certain Maddie was abducted.
That is not what I said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 08:11:38 AM
Yet no one has ever accused the police of involved of being plonkers.. Or grandstanding.. Or unprofessional
Well, no (though I think having just watched that programme that there is a good case for doing so in certain aspects).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: The General on December 17, 2020, 09:19:15 AM
Where?
Are you really unaware of the mockery and scorn heaped on the German prosecutor for having announced his suspect six months ago and then not having questioned him or arrested him since doing so?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 01:30:39 PM
Are you really unaware of the mockery and scorn heaped on the German prosecutor for having announced his suspect six months ago and then not having questioned him or arrested him since doing so?

You see mockery and scorn, I see perfectly reasonable questions as to why such a fuss was created when the evidence appears so weak.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 01:44:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 09:50:20 AM
You are right.  They have named John Canaan as the only suspect.  And with a hideous criminal record.

Isn't he in prison at the moment for murdering some other poor girl at around the same time.
The parallels are uncanny
1) numerous convictions prior to Suzy's disappearance (his first was in his teens) including one for a violent rape involving a weapon and robberies (of a petrol station).
2) Had numerous girlfriends and lived all over the place
3) drove a flash car
4) One ex-girlfriend coming forward to say that Canaan had given her to believe he was involved in Suzy's disappearance
5) Police naming him as their only suspect in Suzy's disappearance in the hope of appealing for information from the public years after the event
6) Properties belonging to him or those associated with him dug up and nothing found.
7) Literally no DNA evidence only circumstantial evidence to link him to SL's disappearance
8) To date no charges brought
9) Canaan due for parole in a couple of years despite being suspected of involvement in other disappearances.
10) Protests his innocence of all involvement including the murder he was found guilty of. 

I'm amazed no one here has attempted to persuade us that his is a miscarriage of justice actually. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
You see mockery and scorn, I see perfectly reasonable questions as to why such a fuss was created when the evidence appears so weak.
I see mockery and scorn because that is precisely what it is - do you have Barrier, Wonderdfulspam, Faithlilly, Holly et al on ignore?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 01:50:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
You see mockery and scorn, I see perfectly reasonable questions as to why such a fuss was created when the evidence appears so weak.

But Wolters says he has more....concrete evidence which shows MM was mudered...and CB murdered her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 17, 2020, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 01:44:12 PM
The parallels are uncanny
1) numerous convictions prior to Suzy's disappearance (his first was in his teens) including one for a violent rape involving a weapon and robberies (of a petrol station).
2) Had numerous girlfriends and lived all over the place
3) drove a flash car
4) One ex-girlfriend coming forward to say that Canaan had given her to believe he was involved in Suzy's disappearance
5) Police naming him as their only suspect in Suzy's disappearance in the hope of appealing for information from the public years after the event
6) Properties belonging to him or those associated with him dug up and nothing found.
7) Literally no DNA evidence only circumstantial evidence to link him to SL's disappearance
8) To date no charges brought
9) Canaan due for parole in a couple of years despite being suspected of involvement in other disappearances.
10) Protests his innocence of all involvement including the murder he was found guilty of. 

I'm amazed no one here has attempted to persuade us that his is a miscarriage of justice actually.
Just wait 'till Holly's finished putting up her Christmas decs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 17, 2020, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 01:50:15 PM
But Wolters says he has more....concrete evidence which shows MM was mudered...and CB murdered her
What do you think this evidence comprises?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 17, 2020, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 09:50:20 AM
You are right.  They have named John Canaan as the only suspect.  And with a hideous criminal record.

Isn't he in prison at the moment for murdering some other poor girl at around the same time.
Shirley Banks in Bristol, 1987.

He's just an arrogant, pompous, pretentious prick who admires Gandhi, Bertrand Russell and Charlie Windsor.

Then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3mmHpaS6U&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3mmHpaS6U&feature=emb_logo)

And now...

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/video/news/shocking-video-shows-suzy-lamplugh-murder-suspect-john-cannan-being-interviewed-by-police/ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/video/news/shocking-video-shows-suzy-lamplugh-murder-suspect-john-cannan-being-interviewed-by-police/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: The General on December 17, 2020, 02:18:22 PM
What do you think this evidence comprises?

Ive said before and I dont like particularly repeating it...it could be photographic evidence of abuse but not death ...as in the Rui Pedro case. It could implicate CB but not prove his involvement. I say this because Wolters has readily answered most questions but wouldnt comment on the existence of images. It isnt just me who noticed this.


I dont beleive wolters is some  kind of crackpot....I think hes  avery serious competent investigator.  I seriously doubt he would risk his career my misrepresenting or lying about evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 17, 2020, 02:30:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 02:25:31 PM
Ive said before and I dont like particularly repeating it...it could be photographic evidence of abuse but not death ...as in the Rui Pedro case. It could implicate CB but not prove his involvement. I say this because Wolters has readily answered most questions but wouldnt comment on the existence of images. It isnt just me who noticed this.


I dont beleive wolters is some  kind of crackpot....I think hes  avery serious competent investigator.  I seriously doubt he would risk his career my misrepresenting or lying about evidence
So implicate in what way without being definitely inculaptory?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: The General on December 17, 2020, 02:30:21 PM
So implicate in what way without being definitely inculaptory?

I dont particularly want to discuss such an unpleasant scenario...it really is pointless. A recognisable part of him may be on the image but not his face. We will know soon enough I think. It is  a very bold satement by Wolters and long term even if there is no prosecution he really will have to let the McCanns and SY know why he is so sure MM is dead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 17, 2020, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
I dont particularly want to discuss such an unpleasant scenario...it really is pointless. A recognisable part of him may be on the image but not his face. We will know soon enough I think. It is  a very bold satement by Wolters and long term even if there is no prosecution he really will have to let the McCanns and SY know why he is so sure MM is dead
So circumstantial then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 02:50:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
You see mockery and scorn, I see perfectly reasonable questions as to why such a fuss was created when the evidence appears so weak.

We haven't seen the evidence so we don't know if it is weak.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 01:50:15 PM
But Wolters says he has more....concrete evidence which shows MM was mudered...and CB murdered her

Which sounds to me like enough reason to arrest and charge him, but it hasn't happened. Therefore I'm entitled to wonder if his evidence is rather less concrete than he claims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 02:52:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 01:44:12 PM
The parallels are uncanny
1) numerous convictions prior to Suzy's disappearance (his first was in his teens) including one for a violent rape involving a weapon and robberies (of a petrol station).
2) Had numerous girlfriends and lived all over the place
3) drove a flash car
4) One ex-girlfriend coming forward to say that Canaan had given her to believe he was involved in Suzy's disappearance
5) Police naming him as their only suspect in Suzy's disappearance in the hope of appealing for information from the public years after the event
6) Properties belonging to him or those associated with him dug up and nothing found.
7) Literally no DNA evidence only circumstantial evidence to link him to SL's disappearance
8) To date no charges brought
9) Canaan due for parole in a couple of years despite being suspected of involvement in other disappearances.
10) Protests his innocence of all involvement including the murder he was found guilty of. 

I'm amazed no one here has attempted to persuade us that his is a miscarriage of justice actually.

Well, now you've told them the probably will.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: puglove on December 17, 2020, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 17, 2020, 02:21:06 PM
Shirley Banks in Bristol, 1987.

He's just an arrogant, pompous, pretentious prick who admires Gandhi, Bertrand Russell and Charlie Windsor.

Then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3mmHpaS6U&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3mmHpaS6U&feature=emb_logo)

And now...

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/video/news/shocking-video-shows-suzy-lamplugh-murder-suspect-john-cannan-being-interviewed-by-police/ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/video/news/shocking-video-shows-suzy-lamplugh-murder-suspect-john-cannan-being-interviewed-by-police/)

He was a dick, and now he's a fat dick.

I get such a Bamber vibe from him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 02:57:07 PM

Well I think he's innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: The General on December 17, 2020, 02:30:21 PM
So implicate in what way without being definitely inculaptory?

I doubt you will get an answer to an unanswerable question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 17, 2020, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 03:02:51 PM
I doubt you will get an answer to an unanswerable question.
I just did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 03:03:56 PM
Quote from: The General on December 17, 2020, 02:47:04 PM
So circumstantial then?

And?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 03:06:20 PM
Quote from: The General on December 17, 2020, 03:03:28 PM
I just did.

Solved the crime, have you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 03:06:42 PM
Quote from: puglove on December 17, 2020, 02:54:32 PM
He was a dick, and now he's a fat dick.

I get such a Bamber vibe from him.
God, me too!  Clearly a psychopath like Bamber (and probably CB too).  Such a type.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 02:50:48 PM
Which sounds to me like enough reason to arrest and charge him, but it hasn't happened. Therefore I'm entitled to wonder if his evidence is rather less concrete than he claims.

You are entitled to wonder whatever the situation. Wolters has explained very credibly imo why he hasnt interviewed yet and the way the German system works he may not be questioned arrested and charged until shortly before a trial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 02:57:07 PM
Well I think he's innocent.
And you probably think rape should be decriminalised.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 03:07:40 PM
And you probably think rape should be decriminalised.

Rape never happens, doncha know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 03:07:40 PM
And you probably think rape should be decriminalised.

Well, it would save a lot of police work & free up prison cells, so yes, I can see some potential positives.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 03:12:25 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 03:11:21 PM
Well, it would save a lot of police work & free up prison cells, so yes, I can see some potential positives.
Of course.  You should join the Taliban, I reckon their way of doing things would be right up your alley (apart from the religion bit ob). 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 17, 2020, 03:58:47 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 03:06:20 PM
Solved the crime, have you?
I got the answer off Davel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 04:05:23 PM

I still haven't had an answer for my question of yesterday.

They can now isolate Cell Phone calls and answers to within metres.  Could they do this in 2007?  If so then Wolter will know exactly where Brueckner's phone was at 7.30 til 8pm that evening.
And if Brueckner lent his phone to someone then he will know to whom.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 17, 2020, 04:27:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 04:05:23 PM
I still haven't had an answer for my question of yesterday.

They can now isolate Cell Phone calls and answers to within metres.  Could they do this in 2007?  If so then Wolter will know exactly where Brueckner's phone was at 7.30 til 8pm that evening.
And if Brueckner lent his phone to someone then he will know to whom.

The  answer is no. There were not enough local mast to provide triangulation, so somewhere within a 5Km radius of the mast is all that can be achieved. This is quite a big area.
Somebody, possibly Misty, posted a map on here  of the area covered by the mast many moons ago

I agree that if Brueckner lent his phone then he would know who to, but what if he had it stolen ? No honour among thieves, as they say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 17, 2020, 04:27:58 PM
The  answer is no. There were not enough local mast to provide triangulation, so somewhere within a 5Km radius of the mast is all that can be achieved. This is quite a big area.
Somebody, possibly Misty, posted a map on here  of the area covered by the mast many moons ago

I agree that if Brueckner lent his phone then he would know who to, but what if he had it stolen ? No honour among thieves, as they say.

Thank you, but not sure if it is true.

I know that they could do this in America some ten years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on December 17, 2020, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 04:05:23 PM
I still haven't had an answer for my question of yesterday.

They can now isolate Cell Phone calls and answers to within metres.  Could they do this in 2007?  If so then Wolter will know exactly where Brueckner's phone was at 7.30 til 8pm that evening.
And if Brueckner lent his phone to someone then he will know to whom.
No. I don't think it was possible to narrow it to anything less than about 1.5km radius. Which works out at about 7km2 - and that's being kind.
Besides, as I've been banging on about, introducing reasonable doubt - here's some more. He might have had the phone stolen, he might have borrowed it to someone, he might have left it on a table in a bar while on surveillance.
Until the mystery caller comes forward, and that's looking increasingly unlikely, then they may have to try their luck with what they've got.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 04:32:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 17, 2020, 04:27:58 PM
The  answer is no. There were not enough local mast to provide triangulation, so somewhere within a 5Km radius of the mast is all that can be achieved. This is quite a big area.
Somebody, possibly Misty, posted a map on here  of the area covered by the mast many moons ago

I agree that if Brueckner lent his phone then he would know who to, but what if he had it stolen ? No honour among thieves, as they say.


I dont think that is true...its to do with the ping timing data as far as I know. Even with one mast if they had that they would know how far wy he was. The question is...do they have it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 04:33:47 PM
Quote from: The General on December 17, 2020, 04:31:31 PM
No. I don't think it was possible to narrow it to anything less than about 1.5km radius. Which works out at about 7km2 - and that's being kind.
Besides, as I've been banging on about, introducing reasonable doubt - here's some more. He might have had the phone stolen, he might have borrowed it to someone, he might have left it on a table in a bar while on surveillance.
Until the mystery caller comes forward, and that's looking increasingly unlikely, then they may have to try their luck with what they've got.

without the ping data I dont think they can be even taht accurate...so ...do they have it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 17, 2020, 04:37:51 PM
As I understand it, ping data might determine distance, but not direction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 04:38:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 04:33:47 PM
without the ping data I dont think they can be even taht accurate...so ...do they have it?

This is what I want to know.  How close to 5A was his phone?

This piece of knowledge would make an enormous difference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 04:54:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 04:38:20 PM
This is what I want to know.  How close to 5A was his phone?

This piece of knowledge would make an enormous difference.

Supposing his phone was placed 1/2km away?

What difference would that make?

The call was around 7.30 wasn't it.

Maddie was still safely tucked up in bed around 9pm . (allegedly)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 04:54:10 PM
Supposing his phone was placed 1/2km away?

What difference would that make?

The call was around 7.30 wasn't it.

Maddie was still safely tucked up in bed around 9pm . (allegedly)

Use your common sense, will you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 05:06:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Use your common sense, will you.

I am.

If they have placed him right at the scene via his ping & you add to that the abundance of abduction evidence the 3 forces most definitely have, plus the concrete evidence Maddie is dead & that he killed her.

Case solved isn't it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 05:15:51 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 05:06:53 PM
I am.

If they have placed him right at the scene via his ping & you add to that the abundance of abduction evidence the 3 forces most definitely have, plus the concrete evidence Maddie is dead & that he killed her.

Case solved isn't it?

No.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 17, 2020, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 04:38:20 PM
This is what I want to know.  How close to 5A was his phone?

This piece of knowledge would make an enormous difference.
According to 60 Minutes Oz, the Germans used triangulation data to locate the phone's position. On Google Maps/Streetview I tried to find which masts, as shown in the illustration in the video below, but could only locate the nearest northernmost one, not the other two masts to the south-east and south-west.  So I think it was just a graphic designer's interpretation of where these towers might have been...

https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1990 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1990)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 05:33:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 05:15:51 PM
No.

I know.

Because he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 05:34:53 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 17, 2020, 05:31:41 PM
According to 60 Minutes Oz, the Germans used triangulation data to locate the phone's position. On Google Maps/Streetview I tried to find which masts, as shown in the illustration in the video below, but could only locate the nearest northernmost one, not the other two masts to the south-east and south-west.  So I think it was just a graphic designer's interpretation of where these towers might have been...

https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1990 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1990)

I don't thing triangulation is much use without the ping data... If they have the ping data it's quite accurate
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 17, 2020, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 05:34:53 PM
I don't thing triangulation is much use without the ping data... If they have the ping data it's quite accurate

How do you triangulate a phone in use nigh on 14 yrs later without actually tracking that phone? which in all likelihood is no longer around.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 17, 2020, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: The General on December 17, 2020, 04:31:31 PM
No. I don't think it was possible to narrow it to anything less than about 1.5km radius. Which works out at about 7km2 - and that's being kind.
Besides, as I've been banging on about, introducing reasonable doubt - here's some more. He might have had the phone stolen, he might have borrowed it to someone, he might have left it on a table in a bar while on surveillance.
Until the mystery caller comes forward, and that's looking increasingly unlikely, then they may have to try their luck with what they've got.

Or  the mystery caller has been in touch and a perfectly valid alibi has been presented for Charlie boy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 06:10:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 17, 2020, 05:59:26 PM
How do you triangulate a phone in use nigh on 14 yrs later without actually tracking that phone? which in all likelihood is no longer around.

you dont triangulate the phone...you triangulate the phone signal given at the time
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 17, 2020, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 06:10:21 PM
you dont triangulate the phone...you triangulate the phone signal given at the time

 Pedant, but answer it then, how do you triangulate a phone signal nigh on 14 yrs later  without actually tracking that phone? which in all likelihood is no longer in existence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 17, 2020, 06:20:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 17, 2020, 06:17:40 PM
Pedant, but answer it then, how do you triangulate a phone signal nigh on 14 yrs later  without actually tracking that phone? which in all likelihood is no longer in existence?
Just the phone as it existed at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 06:24:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 17, 2020, 06:17:40 PM
Pedant, but answer it then, how do you triangulate a phone signal nigh on 14 yrs later  without actually tracking that phone? which in all likelihood is no longer in existence?

the phone may not exist but the the signal from the phone belonging to CB at the time is what is being tracked
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: The General on December 17, 2020, 04:31:31 PM
No. I don't think it was possible to narrow it to anything less than about 1.5km radius. Which works out at about 7km2 - and that's being kind.
Besides, as I've been banging on about, introducing reasonable doubt - here's some more. He might have had the phone stolen, he might have borrowed it to someone, he might have left it on a table in a bar while on surveillance.
Until the mystery caller comes forward, and that's looking increasingly unlikely, then they may have to try their luck with what they've got.
All highly implausible scenarios imo and unlikely to be believed by the cops without supporting evidence.  So we have a violent sadistic rapist with an interest in children within a mile of Madeleine’s locale the night she went missing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 17, 2020, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 06:24:44 PM
the phone may not exist but the the signal from the phone belonging to CB at the time is what is being tracked

How? is it in the phone records of the PJ if not where is the tracking of a dead phone being done. A phone alleged to have belonged to CB is alleged to have received a 30 minute phone call, CB is alleged to have lived in the area, what is suspicious about a phone call, remembering the supposed suspicions about the three amigos using phones, look how that turned out. The MET said they found the activity from the investigation records, why was not this also flagged?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 17, 2020, 06:34:09 PM
How? is it in the phone records of the PJ if not where is the tracking of a dead phone being done. A phone alleged to have belonged to CB is alleged to have received a 30 minute phone call, CB is alleged to have lived in the area, what is suspicious about a phone call, remembering the supposed suspicions about the three amigos using phones, look how that turned out. The MET said they found the activity from the investigation records, why was not this also flagged?

I don't think Wolters is lying
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 06:45:09 PM
Yes but do you know who else was within a mile of Maddie when she went missing?

The McCanns.

Coincidence, I think not.
Weird.  Fancy her parents being near(ish).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 07:03:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 06:10:21 PM
you dont triangulate the phone...you triangulate the phone signal given at the time

Only if it activated three masts, and the phone data given to the police showed just one mast per call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 17, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 06:58:12 PM
Weird.  Fancy her parents being near(ish).

Though not near enough as it turned out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 07:07:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 05:34:53 PM
I don't thing triangulation is much use without the ping data... If they have the ping data it's quite accurate

Pings include sending a signal to the phone and it responding. No such data was available;

A cell phone “ping” is quite simply the process of determining the location, with reasonable accuracy, of a cell phone at any given point in time by utilizing the phone GPS location aware capabilities, it is very similar to GPS vehicle tracking systems. To “ping” in this context means to send a signal to a particular cell phone and have it respond with the requested data.
https://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-phones-through-pinging-and-triangulation/#:~:text=To%20%E2%80%9Cping%E2%80%9D%20in%20this%20context,respond%20with%20the%20requested%20data.&text=By%20comparing%20the%20signal%20strength,triangulate%20the%20phone's%20approximate%20position.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 07:08:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 07:03:20 PM
Only if it activated three masts, and the phone data given to the police showed just one mast per call.

still depends on whether thye have the ping data which no one seesm to know. they may only have coleected the data from one mast to get the time of the call...another mast may have been activated
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 17, 2020, 07:10:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 07:07:45 PM
Pings include sending a signal to the phone and it responding. No such data was available;

A cell phone “ping” is quite simply the process of determining the location, with reasonable accuracy, of a cell phone at any given point in time by utilizing the phone GPS location aware capabilities, it is very similar to GPS vehicle tracking systems. To “ping” in this context means to send a signal to a particular cell phone and have it respond with the requested data.
https://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-phones-through-pinging-and-triangulation/#:~:text=To%20%E2%80%9Cping%E2%80%9D%20in%20this%20context,respond%20with%20the%20requested%20data.&text=By%20comparing%20the%20signal%20strength,triangulate%20the%20phone's%20approximate%20position.

I dont think its clear if the ping data was available. the PJ may only have been interested in the time of thecall...not the location
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 07:19:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 17, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
Though not near enough as it turned out.
Either they were near enough to commit the crime or they weren’t near enough so the crime could be committed, which was it, eh? You can’t have it both ways.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 07:22:13 PM
Given that if he was at most a mile away from the apartment or two minutes away by car does his precise location make very much difference.  He was very close to Madeleine when she disappeared....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 17, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 07:19:17 PM
Either they were near enough to commit the crime or they weren’t near enough so the crime could be committed, which was it, eh? You can’t have it both ways.

I'm quite sure that if they had been in the apartment Madeleine would not have disappeared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 17, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
I'm quite sure that if they had been in the apartment Madeleine would not have disappeared.
Oh?  So you don’t think they oversedated her and then had to chuck her body in a bin?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 17, 2020, 07:30:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 17, 2020, 06:34:09 PM
How? is it in the phone records of the PJ if not where is the tracking of a dead phone being done. A phone alleged to have belonged to CB is alleged to have received a 30 minute phone call, CB is alleged to have lived in the area, what is suspicious about a phone call, remembering the supposed suspicions about the three amigos using phones, look how that turned out. The MET said they found the activity from the investigation records, why was not this also flagged?
I believe it is a moment frozen in time as recorded in the data sent to the Policia Judiciaria by the phone companies and later shared by Scotland Yard with the Germans.

Like you, I don't know a great deal about pings and azimuths etc either, but find Heri's blog very informative on all aspects.

https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 07:35:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 07:22:13 PM
Given that if he was at most a mile away from the apartment or two minutes away by car does his precise location make very much difference.  He was very close to Madeleine when she disappeared....

Like best friends?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 07:36:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 07:22:13 PM
Given that if he was at most a mile away from the apartment or two minutes away by car does his precise location make very much difference.  He was very close to Madeleine when she disappeared....

So were the other men who Operation Grange went after. Perhaps because they lived nearby.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 07:46:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 07:36:38 PM
So were the other men who Operation Grange went after. Perhaps because they lived nearby.

And because they had the audacity to posses mobile phones which they made use of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 07:50:56 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2020, 07:35:39 PM
Like best friends?
?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 17, 2020, 07:36:38 PM
So were the other men who Operation Grange went after. Perhaps because they lived nearby.
Were they?  What concrete evidence puts them at most one mile from Apartment 5a that evening?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 08:47:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 17, 2020, 06:46:32 PM
I don't think Wolters is lying

I think it s a lot more nuanced than that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 10:01:58 PM

Other Police Forces have done the same thing that Wolters has done, it would seem.  How else are they supposed to get other witnesses to come forward?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 10:01:58 PM
Other Police Forces have done the same thing that Wolters has done, it would seem.  How else are they supposed to get other witnesses to come forward?
Yep.  The Met did it in the Lamplugh case and you don’t hear people criticising them for doing so, nor people defending John Canaan in the way that they are defending Brückner.  And bless him, poor Canaan “complained via his solicitors about the police publicly naming him, saying he was "devastated and distressed" “ , well boo hoo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 10:24:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 17, 2020, 10:07:45 PM
Yep.  The Met did it in the Lamplugh case and you don’t hear people criticising them for doing so, nor people defending John Canaan in the way that they are defending Brückner.  And bless him, poor Canaan “complained via his solicitors about the police publicly naming him, saying he was "devastated and distressed" “ , well boo hoo.

I don't think his was the only case, was it?  Didn't The Police do something similar in The Claudia Lawrence Case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 10:27:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 10:24:43 PM
I don't think his was the only case, was it?  Didn't The Police do something similar in The Claudia Lawrence Case?
I don’t think they named anyone, just hinted at an individual or individuals.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:02:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 10:24:43 PM
I don't think his was the only case, was it?  Didn't The Police do something similar in The Claudia Lawrence Case?

So were the police right in naming John Canaan? The CPS refused to sanction charges against him and seeing in other cases how low the CPS’s threshold is doesn't that suggest how inadequate the evidence was?

To suggest that just because the police named Canaan it is right to name Brueckner is simply silly. Perhaps they were both wrong? This seems to be a case of give a dog a bad name but that’s not how justice works.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:02:23 PM
So were the police right in naming John Canaan? The CPS refused to sanction charges against him and seeing in other cases how low the CPS’s threshold is doesn't that suggest how inadequate the evidence was?

To suggest that just because the police named Canaan it is right to name Brueckner is simply silly. Perhaps they were both wrong? This seems to be a case of give a dog a bad name but that’s not how justice works.

I think these two Dogs gave themselves bad names.

However, I am not here to decide guilt on the part of either of them.  But I have no problem with Wolters trying to find more evidence by naming him under the circumstances to get more witnesses to come forward.

He would still have to prove his case in Court.  So what is the problem?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:02:23 PM
So were the police right in naming John Canaan? The CPS refused to sanction charges against him and seeing in other cases how low the CPS’s threshold is doesn't that suggest how inadequate the evidence was?

To suggest that just because the police named Canaan it is right to name Brueckner is simply silly. Perhaps they were both wrong? This seems to be a case of give a dog a bad name but that’s not how justice works.
Yes the police were right in naming John Canaan.  IMO. If you look at the evidence against him it is quite compelling, it falls short however of satisfying the CPS’s high threshold which is as it should be, however when you know you have your man and you know the only way you stand a hope in hell of getting the breakthrough piece of evidence you need is by appealing directly to the public why would you not do so?  Do you believe the police who named John Canaan as their only suspect were self-serving power-crazed liars intent on fame and glory at any cost, or simply trying to do their best for the family of a missing person?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 11:19:54 PM
Some cases are exceptional IMO, and require exceptional measures if they are ever to be solved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:23:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:10:01 PM
I think these two Dogs gave themselves bad names.

However, I am not here to decide guilt on the part of either of them.  But I have no problem with Wolters trying to find more evidence by naming him under the circumstances to get more witnesses to come forward.

He would still have to prove his case in Court.  So what is the problem?

You don’t have a problem....well that’s lovely...but Wolter’s, like the police in the Canaan case, played their ace card and have been found wanting....so not a raging success.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:29:11 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:23:58 PM
You don’t have a problem....well that’s lovely...but Wolter’s, like the police in the Canaan case, played their ace card and have been found wanting....so not a raging success.

As yet.

But absolutely no one else has come under suspicion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:33:21 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:29:11 PM
As yet.

But absolutely no one else has come under suspicion.

Well that’s not absolutely true...now is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:34:36 PM

Oooh, lookee here.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/25/ukcrime2
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:37:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:33:21 PM
Well that’s not absolutely true...now is it?

Certainly not in the same fashion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 11:46:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:23:58 PM
You don’t have a problem....well that’s lovely...but Wolter’s, like the police in the Canaan case, played their ace card and have been found wanting....so not a raging success.
It could have paid off.  It still might, and then what will your view be?  That they were still wrong to appeal to the public even though it helped solve the case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:34:36 PM
Oooh, lookee here.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/25/ukcrime2

Where to start?

Bellfield had just been convicted of the murder of two young women. There were similarities in the MO.

Bellfield had already been questioned in regard to Milly’s disappearance.

Shall I go on?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:51:16 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:47:08 PM
Where to start?

Bellfield had just been convicted of the murder of two young women. There were similarities in the MO.

Bellfield had already been questioned in regard to Milly’s disappearance.

Shall I go on?

Keep trying.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of difference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 11:54:02 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 17, 2020, 11:47:08 PM
Where to start?

Bellfield had just been convicted of the murder of two young women. There were similarities in the MO.

Bellfield had already been questioned in regard to Milly’s disappearance.

Shall I go on?
Same as Canaan then, do carry on...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 17, 2020, 11:56:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 13, 2020, 06:13:25 PM
  Faithlilly is not Cressida Dick so cant claim to know what Dick thinks. Faith has said what she thinks...I dont have to claim anything

We all know by now that what the MET thinks and what they say usually are two different things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 11:57:00 PM
Lets not forget the police publicly linked the disappearance of Keith Bennett to the Moors Mrderers despite there being only circumstantial evidence that they did the crime and it was many many years before Brady or Hindley ever admitted involvement.  Would they have had the police not linked their names publicly to the disappearance? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 17, 2020, 11:59:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:51:16 PM
Keep trying.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of difference.
Faithlilly seems to have forgotten that it is the principle of police publicly naming suspects that is being discussed hefe, not the similarity or otherwise of the crime or criminal in question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 18, 2020, 12:03:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 13, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
I think you are comparing two different things. The phrase above contains no jumbled text, it just makes no sense because a person doesn't ad hom something. 

Here is jumbled text, and it can be read and understood because it does make sense when unjumbled;

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
https://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/matt.davis/cmabridge/
https://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/matt.davis/cmabridge/

I tnihk ttahs anazmig.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 18, 2020, 12:07:00 AM
Quote from: The General on December 16, 2020, 03:55:26 PM
I wouldn't pick him to collect acorns for squirrels. He's an impulsive sex fiend, so the accomplice thing is a non-starter.
Equally, he's a proper ****, so there's no way he trundles off with a child and nips around Europe in his school bus undetected.

I don't get the "proper m..g" description as CB is neither stupid or has learning difficulties?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 12:08:56 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 18, 2020, 12:03:35 AM
I tnihk ttahs anazmig.

So does me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 12:11:09 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:51:16 PM
Keep trying.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of difference.

We will see in time whether Wolter’s gamble paid off.

This is what happens when the police believe they have the right man and release his name.

https://pressgazette.co.uk/category/platforms/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 12:16:17 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 12:11:09 AM
We will see in time whether Wolter’s gamble paid off.

This is what happens when the police believe they have the right man and release his name.

https://pressgazette.co.uk/category/platforms/

Sorry, I don't get the point of that article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 12:16:17 AM
Sorry, I don't get the point of that article.

I think the points obvious.

The police thought they had the right man. The police released his name to the press. We’re the right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 12:28:27 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 12:21:14 AM
I think the points obvious.

The police thought they had the right man. The police released his name to the press. We’re the right?

Where does it say that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 12:51:52 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 12:28:27 AM
Where does it say that?

Apologies wrong link.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/jefferies-police-leaks-led-to-media-open-season/

I found this too. Interesting publication.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmselect/cmhaff/962/96204.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 18, 2020, 06:44:28 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 17, 2020, 11:10:01 PM
I think these two Dogs gave themselves bad names.

However, I am not here to decide guilt on the part of either of them.  But I have no problem with Wolters trying to find more evidence by naming him under the circumstances to get more witnesses to come forward.

He would still have to prove his case in Court.  So what is the problem?
So you saw no problem with the Pj in naming the MCCann suspects in order to try to get more evidence with possible witness's coming forward?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:07:46 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 12:51:52 AM
Apologies wrong link.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/jefferies-police-leaks-led-to-media-open-season/

I found this too. Interesting publication.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmselect/cmhaff/962/96204.htm
This was NOT a cold case that had remained unsolved for years and Jeffries was not already in prison with a history of sexual and violent crimes. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:10:03 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 18, 2020, 06:44:28 AM
So you saw no problem with the Pj in naming the MCCann suspects in order to try to get more evidence with possible witness's coming forward?
Good point.  So the PJ can name suspects but we must castigate the Germans for doing likewise?  Pffft.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 11:22:26 AM

Here's a new one for you.

Mute of Malice.

But not much on Google about Germany.

Can anyone help?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 11:40:28 AM

German Translation for Mute of Malice.  So it must be a Legal Term in Germany?

Stummheit der Bosheit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 12:14:46 PM
S
FortyFive Views since I mentioned Mute of Malice.  Are you all beavering away.  It's quite simple.  Won't Speak or Can't Speak?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 01:45:35 PM
Mute of Malice sounds like a Metal band.  I've never heard the phrase before.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 18, 2020, 01:58:36 PM
Nothing to do with what you are talking about but I've been mulling over what CB told his girlfriend.   Ok,  it's a story in the paper and he may or may not have said it,  but I don't know why she would make up a story like that.  He said he had a horrible job to do tomorrow,  tomorrow being the 3rd of May.   He then went on to say it would change his life.   Now if CB is the person who did take Madeleine.   I doubt if he was just going to take her for himself he would say something like 'I've got a horrible JOB to do tomorrow'  that sounds as though he is doing it for someone else,  and the 'it will change my life'  means he was getting paid a lot of money for doing it.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 01:45:35 PM
Mute of Malice sounds like a Metal band.  I've never heard the phrase before.

It's been around for a very long time in English Law and in some countries on The Continent.  Germany has a Translation for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 18, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 02:02:42 PM
It's been around for a very long time in English Law and in some countries on The Continent.  Germany has a Translation for it.
I think it's been superceded now by the right to silence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 02:11:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 01:45:35 PM
Mute of Malice sounds like a Metal band.  I've never heard the phrase before.

I hadn't either, but I was happily watching Kavanagh QC to pass the time and there it was.  There is now not much I don't know about it with regard to England.

Brueckner could be found guilty of this if he refuses speak.  And then a Plea of Not Guilty will likely be entered on his behalf.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 02:13:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 18, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
I think it's been superceded now by the right to silence

What I managed to find is pretty much recent.  But they don't torture anyone anymore.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 18, 2020, 02:55:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 02:13:59 PM
What I managed to find is pretty much recent.  But they don't torture anyone anymore.

I've looked again and there, are some cases . It's when a suspect won't even enter a plea. Once that's, sorted they can stay silent.. Interesting
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 03:11:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 18, 2020, 02:55:16 PM
I've looked again and there, are some cases . It's when a suspect won't even enter a plea. Once that's, sorted they can stay silent.. Interesting

Once that's sorted they have to stay silent.  Otherwise it is proof of Mute by Malice.  Which means that The Defendant has something to hide.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 03:16:23 PM

To me this is just an interesting Point of Law, which is basically what I am interested in.

It almost certainly has implications that might not have occurred to The Defendant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 18, 2020, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 03:16:23 PM
To me this is just an interesting Point of Law, which is basically what I am interested in.

It almost certainly has implications that might not have occurred to The Defendant.

If you are referring to Brueckner, he is not yet a Defendant, as he hasn't been charged, and despite what his lawyer might have said, no one knows what his future behaviour might be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 18, 2020, 03:25:27 PM
If you are referring to Brueckner, he is not yet a Defendant, as he hasn't been charged, and despite what his lawyer might have said, no one knows what his future behaviour might be.

I know this.  But Brueckner's Lawyer has said that he will not be answering anything.

You are right of course, we don't know what Brueckner will do or even if he will be charged.  But refusing to speak or make a Plea will not to do him any favours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 18, 2020, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 03:32:45 PM
I know this.  But Brueckner's Lawyer has said that he will not be answering anything.

You are right of course, we don't know what Brueckner will do or even if he will be charged.  But refusing to speak or make a Plea will not to do him any favours.

Did you think that of  Kate for her silence ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 03:52:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 18, 2020, 03:42:54 PM
Did you think that of  Kate for her silence ?

Kate McCann has never been so much as Arrested, let alone Charged or Tried.  A very silly comment yet again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 18, 2020, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 03:52:27 PM
Kate McCann has never been so much as Arrested, let alone Charged or Tried.  A very silly comment yet again.

Reputations to keep old girl.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: Lace on December 18, 2020, 01:58:36 PM
Nothing to do with what you are talking about but I've been mulling over what CB told his girlfriend.   Ok,  it's a story in the paper and he may or may not have said it,  but I don't know why she would make up a story like that.  He said he had a horrible job to do tomorrow,  tomorrow being the 3rd of May.   He then went on to say it would change his life.   Now if CB is the person who did take Madeleine.   I doubt if he was just going to take her for himself he would say something like 'I've got a horrible JOB to do tomorrow'  that sounds as though he is doing it for someone else,  and the 'it will change my life'  means he was getting paid a lot of money for doing it.  IMO

So how much do you think Brueckner’s girlfriend would have got paid if she said “nah never talked about it” ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 18, 2020, 04:09:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 03:52:27 PM
Kate McCann has never been so much as Arrested, let alone Charged or Tried.  A very silly comment yet again.

As pointed out nor has CB so why do you think he'll do himself no favours by not talking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 18, 2020, 04:09:55 PM
As pointed out nor has CB so why do you think he'll do himself no favours by not talking.

Oh Dear.  Brueckner has been Convicted of several Child Sexual Abuse Offences and one Rather Violent Rape.

What is the comparison that you are trying to make?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 18, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 18, 2020, 04:09:55 PM
As pointed out nor has CB so why do you think he'll do himself no favours by not talking.
The difference is... If it goes to trial.
Silence on questioning is one thing... Silence in court is another
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 18, 2020, 04:33:18 PM
The McCann's were questioned, do you accept CB is within his rights having not been charged nor questioned to keep his counsel ? and that silence cannot be held against him at this moment in time, save the baying mob on here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 18, 2020, 04:33:18 PM
The McCann's were questioned, do you accept CB is within his rights having not been charged nor questioned to keep his counsel ? and that silence cannot be held against him at this moment in time, save the baying mob on here.

You seem to have lost track of what we have been discussing.

If Brueckner were to put forward a Plea in Court and better still provide an Alibi then I would be pleased for him.

I don't know if he will be Charged and I don't know what Evidence there is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 04:03:29 PM
So how much do you think Brueckner’s girlfriend would have got paid if she said “nah never talked about it” ?
How much was she paid out of interest?  You obviously know that she was so please provide a cite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 04:28:06 PM
The Thread Title is New German Suspect in Madeleine McCann Mystery Disappearance.

It is not a Thread on which to Libel The McCanns.

Perhaps you should think before you comment.

No that's right.

This is the thread to libel Brueckner apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 05:42:35 PM
No that's right.

This is the thread to libel Brueckner apparently.
Perhaps you’d like to highlight some of the more libellous posts so that they can be removed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 05:51:26 PM
Perhaps you’d like to highlight some of the more libellous posts so that they can be removed?

Anyone saying there is evidence against Brueckner is committing libel.

What evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: mrswah on December 18, 2020, 05:56:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
Anyone saying there is evidence against Brueckner is committing libel.

What evidence?


We don't know what evidence the German police have, and it does seem that they don't have enough evidence to charge him.  However, they claim to have some evidence, and I don't believe they can afford to libel him !!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 06:00:27 PM
Quote from: mrswah on December 18, 2020, 05:56:41 PM

We don't know what evidence the German police have, and it does seem that they don't have enough evidence to charge him.  However, they claim to have some evidence, and I don't believe they can afford to libel him !!

No one has Libelled Brueckner.  This is Spammy's way of deflecting and disrupting.  Just ignore it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
Anyone saying there is evidence against Brueckner is committing libel.

What evidence?
No they’re not, and it’s all on this thread.  If the evidence is factual then how can it be libellous?  Like “Chistian B is a violent rapist and paedophile who broke into holiday apartments in PdL, who investigators say was in PdL the night Madeleine went missing and whose associates claim he referenced his involvement in the disappearance”.  Which part of that is untrue?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: mrswah on December 18, 2020, 05:56:41 PM

We don't know what evidence the German police have, and it does seem that they don't have enough evidence to charge him.  However, they claim to have some evidence, and I don't believe they can afford to libel him !!

Declaring people guilty based on secret evidence sounds like something the authorities in some evil dictatorship would do.

Not that I'm against evil & dictatorships. It's just that, I thought everyone else was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 06:17:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 06:14:33 PM
No they’re not, and it’s all on this thread.  If the evidence is factual then how can it be libellous?  Like “Chistian B is a violent rapist and paedophile who broke into holiday apartments in PdL, who investigators say was in PdL the night Madeleine went missing and whose associates claim he referenced his involvement in the disappearance”.  Which part of that is untrue?

Was. 

He was a violent rapist & paedophile.

Obviously, he's not raping anyone now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 06:19:59 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 06:17:59 PM
Was. 

He was a violent rapist & paedophile.

Obviously, he's not raping anyone now.

And never will again.  With a bit of luck.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 06:24:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 06:17:59 PM
Was. 

He was a violent rapist & paedophile.

Obviously, he's not raping anyone now.
So if you murdered someone on Monday then you’re a murderer on that day, but by Friday when you didn’t murder anyone you are no longer a murderer?  I see.  This is why your opinion on anything cannot be taken remotely seriously but thanks for the laughs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 06:16:20 PM
Declaring people guilty based on secret evidence sounds like something the authorities in some evil dictatorship would do.

Not that I'm against evil & dictatorships. It's just that, I thought everyone else was.
Who has declared Bruckner guilty out of interest?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 18, 2020, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 06:17:59 PM
Was. 

He was a violent rapist & paedophile.

Obviously, he's not raping anyone now.
He could be raping the other inmates for all we know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 06:54:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 06:24:22 PM
So if you murdered someone on Monday then you’re a murderer on that day, but by Friday when you didn’t murder anyone you are no longer a murderer?  I see.  This is why your opinion on anything cannot be taken remotely seriously but thanks for the laughs.

I used to smoke 20 a day.

I gave up 2 years ago.

By your logic apparently I'm still smoking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 06:54:53 PM
I used to smoke 20 a day.

I gave up 2 years ago.

By your logic apparently I'm still smoking.
So tell us how long the term “murderer” or “rapist” applies for.  24 hours or less?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:05:37 PM
Definition of 'rapist'
   
rapist
(reɪpɪst  )
Word forms: plural rapists
COUNTABLE NOUN
A rapist is a person who has raped someone.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/rapist
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 18, 2020, 07:06:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
So tell us how long the term “murderer” or “rapist” applies for.  24 hours or less?
A reformed rapist. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:09:32 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 18, 2020, 07:06:31 PM
A reformed rapist.
Reformed?  How so?  Denied access to rape victims does not make one reformed IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 18, 2020, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 04:03:29 PM
So how much do you think Brueckner’s girlfriend would have got paid if she said “nah never talked about it” ?

Did she get paid?   How much?   I haven't read that part.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:11:13 PM
It’s like falling down the rabbit hole on here sometimes.  Now apparently calling someone a rapist is not allowed unless they are actually in the act of raping.   *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:12:02 PM
Quote from: Lace on December 18, 2020, 07:11:08 PM
Did she get paid?   How much?   I've haven't read that part.
Faith *knows* she was paid - it must be because she works for the paper that bought the story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
Prisons are full of people who are not rapists and murderers, burglars or paedophiles.  Just people.  How sad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 07:14:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
So tell us how long the term “murderer” or “rapist” applies for.  24 hours or less?


I don't know.

It's like asking when does a prostitute who stops selling their body for sex, cease to be a prostitute?

Are they condemned to be a prostitute for the rest of their lives, even if they took a vow of celibacy & joined a convent?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 18, 2020, 07:15:31 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 05:42:35 PM
No that's right.

This is the thread to libel Brueckner apparently.

I have never said 'Brueckner dunnit,   but in the past you have said the McCann's have dunnit haven't you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 18, 2020, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:12:02 PM
Faith *knows* she was paid - it must be because she works for the paper that bought the story.
Be careful about trying to identify a fellow member!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 18, 2020, 07:19:44 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 07:14:54 PM

I don't know.

It's like asking when does a prostitute who stops selling their body for sex, cease to be a prostitute?

Are they condemned to be a prostitute for the rest of their lives, even if they took a vow of celibacy & joined a convent?

CB is a rapist and a thief and a child molester,   because he has raped and stolen and molested children.   He will always be known by these headings as he has committed crimes by raping, thieving and molesting children. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 18, 2020, 07:25:08 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 07:14:54 PM

I don't know.

It's like asking when does a prostitute who stops selling their body for sex, cease to be a prostitute?

Are they condemned to be a prostitute for the rest of their lives, even if they took a vow of celibacy & joined a convent?

Ex Prostitute.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 07:14:54 PM

I don't know.

It's like asking when does a prostitute who stops selling their body for sex, cease to be a prostitute?

Are they condemned to be a prostitute for the rest of their lives, even if they took a vow of celibacy & joined a convent?
You don’t know?? That’s not good enough.  According to you Bruckner who is in jail for rape is not a rapist because he is not currently raping people.  Therefore by your logic as soon as you stop committing an illegal act you cease to be guilty of committing that illegal act. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 07:37:58 PM
Quote from: Lace on December 18, 2020, 07:11:08 PM
Did she get paid?   How much?   I haven't read that part.

Do you think that she gave for free a story that she could have sold for thousands of euros? Really?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: Lace on December 18, 2020, 07:25:08 PM
Ex Prostitute.   

The same way Brueckner is an ex rapist.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 07:43:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 07:26:48 PM
You don’t know?? That’s not good enough.  According to you Bruckner who is in jail for rape is not a rapist because he is not currently raping people.  Therefore by your logic as soon as you stop committing an illegal act you cease to be guilty of committing that illegal act.

Don't be so ridiculous.

He's still guilty of rape.

It's just that now he is an ex rapist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 07:48:42 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 07:41:56 PM
The same way Brueckner is an ex rapist.

Tis funny that Brueckner's Lawyer wouldn't allow Brueckner to look after his children or his grandmother, don't you think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 07:48:42 PM
Tis funny that Brueckner's Lawyer wouldn't allow Brueckner to look after his children or his grandmother, don't you think.

He's in solitary so it would be a bit difficult.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 08:01:18 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 07:43:24 PM
Don't be so ridiculous.

He's still guilty of rape.

It's just that now he is an ex rapist.
In the same way that Rosemary West is an ex-murderer?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 07:37:58 PM
Do you think that she gave for free a story that she could have sold for thousands of euros? Really?
Thousands of euros?  Do you have a cite for that?  No, didn’t think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 08:07:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 08:01:18 PM
In the same way that Rosemary West is an ex-murderer?

Such people have a nasty habit of doing these things again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 08:21:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 08:01:18 PM
In the same way that Rosemary West is an ex-murderer?

Yes,  she hasn't murdered anyone for 25 years. I think it's safe to say she's an ex murderer.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 18, 2020, 08:30:42 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 08:21:45 PM
Yes,  she hasn't murdered anyone for 25 years. I think it's safe to say she's an ex murderer.
I murdered a bowl of Alpen this morning... Does that make me a cereal killer
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 18, 2020, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 06:54:53 PM
I used to smoke 20 a day.

I gave up 2 years ago.

By your logic apparently I'm still smoking.

Well done, I gave up 40 yrs ago, the first 39 yrs were the worst.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 18, 2020, 08:33:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 18, 2020, 08:31:26 PM
Well done, I gave up 40 yrs ago, the first 39 yrs were the worst.

It's easy to give up smoking... I've done it loads of times
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 08:35:30 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 08:21:45 PM
Yes,  she hasn't murdered anyone for 25 years. I think it's safe to say she's an ex murderer.
You’re talking bollocks IMO.  She will always be a murderer.  When criminals are executed in America they are not described in news reports as ex-murderers.  Hindley and Bradey will always be murderers even though they are dead.  Jack The Ripper was a murderer not an ex-murderer.  Get a grip man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: mrswah on December 18, 2020, 10:10:18 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 08:21:45 PM
Yes,  she hasn't murdered anyone for 25 years. I think it's safe to say she's an ex murderer.


Of course she hasn't murdered anyone for 25 years: she's been in prison.  If she were released (which she wont be, as she has a full life tariff), and never killed again (which she probably wouldn't, away from Fred's influence), she will always be a convicted murderer-----IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: mrswah on December 18, 2020, 10:10:18 PM

Of course she hasn't murdered anyone for 25 years: she's been in prison.  If she were released (which she wont be, as she has a full life tariff), and never killed again (which she probably wouldn't, away from Fred's influence), she will always be a convicted murderer-----IMO.
That’s not an opinion, that’s a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:02:51 PM


I've seen people on TV giving advice on home security being described as ex burglars.

Someone really should tell them they are still burglars.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 18, 2020, 11:08:49 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:02:51 PM

I've seen people on TV giving advice on home security being described as ex burglars.

Someone really should tell them they are still burglars.
Only part-timers now though.  Give them credit for that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:24:55 PM

Ex Car thief.

Ex Drug dealer.

Ex Fraudster.

Ex Heroin addict.

So why not ex murderer?

Can someone explain?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 18, 2020, 11:28:17 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:24:55 PM
Ex Car thief.

Ex Drug dealer.

Ex Fraudster.

Ex Heroin addict.

So why not ex murderer?

Can someone explain?
Murders are usually one off events.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:02:51 PM

I've seen people on TV giving advice on home security being described as ex burglars.

Someone really should tell them they are still burglars.
How many ex child molesters have you seen giving advice on TV? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:37:11 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 18, 2020, 11:28:17 PM
Murders are usually one off events.

I don't quite see your point.

If you've committed more than one then you can later be described as an ex murderer?

Is that what you're saying?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:37:11 PM
I don't quite see your point.

If you've committed more than one then you can later be described as an ex murderer?

Is that what you're saying?
Christian brückner is a convicted rapist.  Agree or disagree?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 18, 2020, 11:41:46 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:37:11 PM
I don't quite see your point.

If you've committed more than one then you can later be described as an ex murderer?

Is that what you're saying?

Child, sexual abuse?  He seems to have done a lot of those.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 18, 2020, 11:47:47 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:37:11 PM
I don't quite see your point.

If you've committed more than one then you can later be described as an ex murderer?

Is that what you're saying?
Google “ex-rapist” and “ex-murderer” and supply cites for the first half-dozen examples of individuals described as such in each category.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 18, 2020, 11:47:47 PM
Google “ex-rapist” and “ex-murderer” and supply cites for the first half-dozen examples of individuals described as such in each category.

Exactly, you don't see it anywhere.

Yet there are all the other examples of ex criminals that I have listed.

This is nothing short of social injustice, inequality & blatant discrimination of ex paedophiles, murderers & rapists.

It's a travesty of justice & I fully intend to write a strongly worded letter to my M.P about the issue, when I can be bothered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 11:52:51 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:50:47 PM
Exactly, you don't see it anywhere.

Yet there are all the other examples of ex criminals that I have listed.

This is nothing short of social injustice, inequality & blatant discrimination of ex paedophiles, murderers & rapists.

It's a travesty of justice & I fully intend to write a strongly worded letter to my M.P about the issue, when I can be bothered.

I guess there was nothing on the TV then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 19, 2020, 12:41:01 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:37:11 PM
I don't quite see your point.

If you've committed more than one then you can later be described as an ex murderer?

Is that what you're saying?
You'd be classed as a serial murderer and hence an ex-serial murderer if you could stop.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 19, 2020, 12:43:08 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 18, 2020, 11:52:51 PM
I guess there was nothing on the TV then?
Coronation Street is not till later.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 19, 2020, 07:06:25 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:50:47 PM
Exactly, you don't see it anywhere.

Yet there are all the other examples of ex criminals that I have listed.

This is nothing short of social injustice, inequality & blatant discrimination of ex paedophiles, murderers & rapists.

It's a travesty of justice & I fully intend to write a strongly worded letter to my M.P about the issue, when I can be bothered.
Great.  So until the law is changed to make it illegal to refer to rapists and paedophiles as such, I shall continue to refer to Bruckner as a rapist and a paedophile.  Thanks for the utterly pointless diversion, but then I guess that’s what you’re here for. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 19, 2020, 07:16:06 AM
As I was saying before I was so tiresomely interrupted Chistian B is a violent rapist and paedophile who broke into holiday apartments in PdL, who investigators say was in PdL the night Madeleine went missing and whose associates claim he referenced his involvement in the disappearance.  All completely factual. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 19, 2020, 07:44:11 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 19, 2020, 07:16:06 AM
As I was saying before I was so tiresomely interrupted Chistian B is a violent rapist and paedophile who broke into holiday apartments in PdL, who investigators say was in PdL the night Madeleine went missing and whose associates claim he referenced his involvement in the disappearance.  All completely factual.
In New Zealand knowing to much history about an accused is grounds for not being selected on a jury examining the case.  The new conviction must be based on the actual evidence of the current case not past convictions.  The accused cannot be referred to as a "violent rapist and paedophile who broke into holiday apartments in PdL".

Evidence would have to be presented to show:
1. he was in PdL the night Madeleine went missing
2. His associates claim he referenced his involvement in the disappearance.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 19, 2020, 07:52:35 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 19, 2020, 07:44:11 AM
In New Zealand knowing to much history about an accused is grounds for not being selected on a jury examining the case.  The new conviction must be based on the actual evidence of the current case not past convictions.  The accused cannot be referred to as a "violent rapist and paedophile who broke into holiday apartments in PdL".

Evidence would have to be presented to show:
1. he was in PdL the night Madeleine went missing
2. His associates claim he referenced his involvement in the disappearance.
Good job this case won’t be heard in New Zealand or before a jury then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 19, 2020, 08:00:32 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 19, 2020, 07:52:35 AM
Good job this case won’t be heard in New Zealand or before a jury then.
I suppose it could be argued that judges are capable of separating past convictions from the current case, more so than untrained jury members.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 19, 2020, 07:06:25 AM
Great.  So until the law is changed to make it illegal to refer to rapists and paedophiles as such, I shall continue to refer to Bruckner as a rapist and a paedophile.  Thanks for the utterly pointless diversion, but then I guess that’s what you’re here for.

Do you happen to know at which point do ex thieves become ex thieves?

Is it immediately after their last theft or do they have to wait a few hours/days/weeks/months after the event before being bestowed with the title Ex?

I'm curious as I believe it may be important in my pursuit of social justice for ex rapist, murderers & paedophiles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 19, 2020, 08:29:14 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 08:22:55 AM
Do you happen to know at which point do ex thieves become ex thieves?

Is it immediately after their last theft or do they have to wait a few hours/days/weeks/months after the event before being bestowed with the title Ex?

I'm curious as I believe it may be important in my pursuit of social justice for ex rapist, murderers & paedophiles.
That’s a question I already asked you.  As you were the one who introduced the concept of ex-murderers then it is down to you to define the exact point at which they transition from one state to another.  But since you asked  I would suggest for your purposes it begins the moment they drop the knife and the deceased keels over.  Hope this helps. ETA apply the same to thieves.  The moment after they have successfully made off with the swag they become an ex-thief.  Makes perfect sense in Spamworld.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 19, 2020, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 11:24:55 PM
Ex Car thief.

Ex Drug dealer.

Ex Fraudster.

Ex Heroin addict.

So why not ex murderer?

Can someone explain?

Yes, cop killers Noye and Roberts are on the streets, what are they ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 19, 2020, 08:36:42 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 19, 2020, 07:44:11 AM
In New Zealand knowing to much history about an accused is grounds for not being selected on a jury examining the case.  The new conviction must be based on the actual evidence of the current case not past convictions.  The accused cannot be referred to as a "violent rapist and paedophile who broke into holiday apartments in PdL".

Evidence would have to be presented to show:
1. he was in PdL the night Madeleine went missing
2. His associates claim he referenced his involvement in the disappearance.

Past convictions are only raised after a verdict here, lest it should  sway a jury.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 19, 2020, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 18, 2020, 07:41:56 PM
The same way Brueckner is an ex rapist.

No he committed a crime against someone else he will always be a rapist.    Do you know that women can look up a new partner to see if he has committed a crime such as rape?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 10:27:39 AM
Quote from: Lace on December 19, 2020, 10:25:48 AM
No he committed a crime against someone else he will always be a rapist.    Do you know that women can look up a new partner to see if he has committed a crime such as rape?

But paradoxically he will become an ex burglar & ex drug dealer.

Makes sense doesn't it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 19, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 10:27:39 AM
But paradoxically he will become an ex burglar & ex drug dealer.

Makes sense doesn't it.

You don't know if he will become an ex burglar or ex drug dealer do you?    If he stopped stealing and stopped selling drugs then yes he would become an ex of these two but it will always be on his record and he will have to reveal them when going for a job.   He will never be an ex rapist or ex child molester.    IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 10:54:07 AM
Quote from: Lace on December 19, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
You don't know if he will become an ex burglar or ex drug dealer do you?    If he stopped stealing and stopped selling drugs then yes he would become an ex of these two but it will always be on his record and he will have to reveal them when going for a job.   He will never be an ex rapist or ex child molester.    IMO

Why not?

Never steals again = no longer a thief.

Never rapes again = always a rapist.

It makes no sense.

I sold a lot of weed to friends when I was in my early 20's, I was a drug dealer, but was never caught/convicted for it.

I no longer sell weed, haven't done in years, but am I still a drug dealer & always will be?

I hope so, as I can enjoy the extra money.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 19, 2020, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 10:54:07 AM
Why not?

Never steals again = no longer a thief.

Never rapes again = always a rapist.

It makes no sense.

I sold a lot of weed to friends when I was in my early 20's, I was a drug dealer, but was never caught/convicted for it.

I no longer sell weed, haven't done in years, but am I still a drug dealer & always will be?

I hope so, as I can enjoy the extra money.

That explains a lot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on December 19, 2020, 11:49:35 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 10:54:07 AM
Why not?

Never steals again = no longer a thief.

Never rapes again = always a rapist.

It makes no sense.

I sold a lot of weed to friends when I was in my early 20's, I was a drug dealer, but was never caught/convicted for it.

I no longer sell weed, haven't done in years, but am I still a drug dealer & always will be?

I hope so, as I can enjoy the extra money.

If you haven't sold drugs for years then you are an ex drug dealer,   you weren't caught so you haven't got it on any record for you.   So no one will ever know unless you tell them.   Oops.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 19, 2020, 12:44:48 PM
Quote from: Lace on December 19, 2020, 11:49:35 AM
If you haven't sold drugs for years then you are an ex drug dealer,   you weren't caught so you haven't got it on any record for you.   So no one will ever know unless you tell them.   Oops.

I expect there are many people who have committed crimes but never been found out. A criminal record tells us only that someone has been convicted in the past. Someone's past may suggest how they may have acted in the present, but not necessarily. That's why past convictions are only revealed after a guilty verdict.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 19, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 19, 2020, 12:44:48 PM
I expect there are many people who have committed crimes but never been found out. A criminal record tells us only that someone has been convicted in the past. Someone's past may suggest how they may have acted in the present, but not necessarily. That's why past convictions are only revealed after a guilty verdict.

previous convictions act as intelligence...nothing more. Past convictions will affect sentencing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 19, 2020, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 19, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
previous convictions act as intelligence...nothing more. Past convictions will affect sentencing

And next on Mastermind we have Davel.....specialised subject....the bleeding obvious.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 19, 2020, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 19, 2020, 01:53:49 PM
And next on Mastermind we have Davel.....specialised subject....the bleeding obvious.

Looks like my introduction of ellipses to the forum is catching on....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 19, 2020, 02:09:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 19, 2020, 02:03:52 PM
Looks like my introduction of ellipses to the forum is catching on....

I've even started using them myself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 02:16:57 PM
Quote from: Lace on December 19, 2020, 10:25:48 AM
No he committed a crime against someone else he will always be a rapist.    Do you know that women can look up a new partner to see if he has committed a crime such as rape?

Out of interest, can a man look up a new female partner & see if she's made false accusations of rape?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 19, 2020, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 02:16:57 PM
Out of interest, can a man look up a new female partner & see if she's made false accusations of rape?
Don’t tell us you’ve managed to ensnare a member of the opposite sex at last?  Congratulations!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 19, 2020, 05:56:25 PM
I presume this database contains only those convicted of rape, not all who've committed rape.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 19, 2020, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 02:16:57 PM
Out of interest, can a man look up a new female partner & see if she's made false accusations of rape?

You think she might rape you and then accuse you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 19, 2020, 05:52:22 PM
Don’t tell us you’ve managed to ensnare a member of the opposite sex at last?  Congratulations!

Don't just assume my sexuality., that's very offensive.

How do you know I'm not gay,  apart from the fact that I'm a massive homophobe?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 19, 2020, 06:01:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 19, 2020, 05:57:30 PM
You think she might rape you and then accuse you?
Reminds me of the life cycle of some siders where the female eats their partner after mating.  It must be worth dying for.  There would have to be some powerful endorphins released to calm the poor male down.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 19, 2020, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 05:58:47 PM
Don't just assume my sexuality., that's very offensive.

How do you know I'm not gay,  apart from the fact that I'm a massive homophobe?

There is nothin even remotely gay about you.  In the true sense of the word.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 19, 2020, 06:13:31 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 19, 2020, 05:58:47 PM
Don't just assume my sexuality., that's very offensive.

How do you know I'm not gay,  apart from the fact that I'm a massive homophobe?
Well there you go.  I assumed you were a massive homophobe and I was right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 20, 2020, 02:21:04 AM
He (Wolters) said: “When the accused will be questioned depends on further investigation.

"But he will be questioned.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13527613/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-will-be-questioned-by-police/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 02:30:42 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 20, 2020, 02:21:04 AM
He (Wolters) said: “When the accused will be questioned depends on further investigation.

"But he will be questioned.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13527613/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-will-be-questioned-by-police/

Sounds like Wolter is smarting a bit from the parent’s comments.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2020, 08:09:10 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 02:30:42 AM
Sounds like Wolter is smarting a bit from the parent’s comments.
In your imagination.

Mr Wolters told The Sun on Sunday: “We are not in contact with the McCann family.

"Otherwise, we conduct our investigations as necessary. An interrogation of an accused often comes at the end of the investigation and is therefore not unusual.

"When the accused will be questioned depends on the further investigation. There is no fixed time for this.’
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 08:30:15 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 20, 2020, 08:09:10 AM
In your imagination.

Mr Wolters told The Sun on Sunday: “We are not in contact with the McCann family.

"Otherwise, we conduct our investigations as necessary. An interrogation of an accused often comes at the end of the investigation and is therefore not unusual.

"When the accused will be questioned depends on the further investigation. There is no fixed time for this.’

As I recently  suggested CB will be questioned only when Wolters is ready to charge...
Wolters, won't be expecting to get any information from CB but before questioning Wolters must reveal all the evidence he holds... That will be interesting

Wolters is playing his hand very well
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 20, 2020, 09:26:00 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 08:30:15 AM
As I recently  suggested CB will be questioned only when Wolters is ready to charge...
Wolters, won't be expecting to get any information from CB but before questioning Wolters must reveal all the evidence he holds... That will be interesting

Wolters is playing his hand very well


IMO its gone one of two ways, the phone caller was traced and provided a perfect alibi for CB or the caller was never traced and therefore there is nothing that points to CB being any where near 5a or even in the vicinity on the night of 3/05/2007.Triangulating a phone ping 13+ yrs after the fact, its bollox.
If he never questions him, CB will for ever be known as the one that done for Madeleine.

From an ex pat living in Germany. German Tv is obsessed with crime and police drama, its on every channel and Wolters is playing to the German crowd. CB hit the news for his rape crime and there seemed to be a concern that he would have won his appeal.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 09:28:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 20, 2020, 09:26:00 AM
If he never questions him, CB will for ever be known as the one that done for Madeleine.
You had no complaints when it was the parents being blamed... I'm sure he will be questioned... And at that point wolters will have to reveal his evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2020, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 20, 2020, 09:26:00 AM
If he never questions him, CB will for ever be known as the one that done for Madeleine.
What difference would questioning him make to that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 20, 2020, 08:09:10 AM
In your imagination.

Mr Wolters told The Sun on Sunday: “We are not in contact with the McCann family.

"Otherwise, we conduct our investigations as necessary. An interrogation of an accused often comes at the end of the investigation and is therefore not unusual.

"When the accused will be questioned depends on the further investigation. There is no fixed time for this.’

So they'll question him when they think they have enough evidence. It looks like they haven't reached that stage yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 08:30:15 AM
As I recently  suggested CB will be questioned only when Wolters is ready to charge...
Wolters, won't be expecting to get any information from CB but before questioning Wolters must reveal all the evidence he holds... That will be interesting

Wolters is playing his hand very well

Could you point out, with cite from any German legal text, where you found this information?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 09:34:10 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
Could you point out, with cite from any German legal text, where you found this information?

What information
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 20, 2020, 09:38:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 09:28:38 AM
You had no complaints when it was the parents being blamed... I'm sure he will be questioned... And at that point wolters will have to reveal his evidence


Cite for that please, I certainly wasn't on here nor any other forum discussing the McCann's at the time, I couldn't care less about them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 20, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
So they'll question him when they think they have enough evidence. It looks like they haven't reached that stage yet.

Ah! but what is enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 09:34:10 AM
What information

That Wolter must reveal all the evidence he holds.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 09:42:13 AM
That Wolter must reveal all the evidence he holds.
Firstly that this is what Wolters said in June and secondly the German system is the same as the Portuguese legal system imo whereby once a suspect is made arguido they must be informed of all evidence  against them...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 09:47:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 09:45:24 AM
Firstly that this is what Wolters said in June and secondly the German system  is the same as the Portuguese legal system imo whereby once a suspect is made arguido they must be informed of all evidence  against them...

Then you’ll have a cite...please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 09:50:41 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 09:47:36 AM
Then you’ll have a cite...please?
I don't need a cite.. I know I'm absolutely  correct...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 09:53:53 AM
  but the arguido must be presented with whatever evidence is held against them.

That's from wiki on the rights of an arguido.. Germany has the same system IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 09:50:41 AM
I don't need a cite.. I know I'm absolutely  correct... As would anyone with any real knowledge.. The fact you don't have that knowledge is no surprise.

A cite please as per forum rules or I will ask whatever mod is available to remove your post and any similar ones.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 20, 2020, 09:56:53 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
A cite please as per forum rules or I will ask whatever mod is available to remove your post and any similar ones.


That'll be like asking for a covid free Christmas.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 09:45:24 AM
Firstly that this is what Wolters said in June and secondly the German system  is the same as the Portuguese legal system whereby once a suspect is made arguido they must be informed of all evidence  against them...

Obviously they have to inform them what they're accused of and why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
A cite please as per forum rules or I will ask whatever mod is available to remove your post and any similar ones.

It won't change the truth.. Lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 10:10:11 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 10:01:15 AM
Obviously they have to inform them what they're accused of and why.

Wolters made this specific point early on.. It seems I'm the only poster with a good memory  and eye fir detail. 

As you are aware the German legal system is similar to Portugal and I've shown it's true in Portugal... I will look for a cite for Germany... But you and others who have doubted me will look rather ignorant when I'm proved right
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 10:06:39 AM
It won't change the truth.. Lol

Then you’ll be able to provide a cite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 09:53:53 AM
  but the arguido must be presented with whatever evidence is held against them.

That's from wiki on the rights of an arguido.. Germany has the same system

Portugal and Germany have similar civil law legal systems imo. To claim they are the same without a cite is opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 10:34:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 10:10:11 AM
Wolters made this specific point early on.. It seems I'm the only poster with a good memory  and eye fir detail. 

As you are aware the German legal system is similar to Portugal and I've shown it's true in Portugal... I will look for a cite for Germany... But you and others who have doubted me will look rather ignorant when I'm proved right

It has nothing to do with other member's memories, eye for detail, doubts or knowledge. Forum rules are that a request for a cite should be complied with, as you yourself have pointed out previously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 10:36:27 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 10:30:02 AM
Portugal and Germany have similar civil law legal systems imo. To claim they are the same without a cite is opinion.


They both have inquisitorial systems...as opposed to the UK system...they are the same... I didnt say exactly the same
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 10:38:54 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 10:36:27 AM

They both have inquisitorial systems...as opposed to the UK system...they are the same... I didnt say exactly the same

A cite please or I’ll have to ask a mod to remove your claim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 10:41:34 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 10:38:54 AM
A cite please or I’ll have to ask a mod to remove your claim.


As I said....I dont care if a mod removes it...it wont affect wolters investigation...LOL


many of your recent posts have been opinion...it doesnt bother me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 10:41:34 AM

As I said....I dont care if a mod removes it...it wont affect wolters investigation...LOL


many of your recent posts have been opinion...it doesnt bother me

No problem then.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 10:49:18 AM
Mr Wolters told the paper: “The person he spoke to could put the phone in his hand (by confirming that it was definitely Christian B to whom he spoke), which would mean he was in the area at the time.

“This is the evidence we want before we issue an arrest warrant and then interview him for the murder. It would help the case against him – but we would also need more evidence.”

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-14/german-prosecutor-holds-out-slim-hope-madeleine-could-still-be-alive

so wolters has s aid they would issue an arrest warrant before interviewing him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 10:49:18 AM
Mr Wolters told the paper: “The person he spoke to could put the phone in his hand (by confirming that it was definitely Christian B to whom he spoke), which would mean he was in the area at the time.

“This is the evidence we want before we issue an arrest warrant and then interview him for the murder. It would help the case against him – but we would also need more evidence.”

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-14/german-prosecutor-holds-out-slim-hope-madeleine-could-still-be-alive

so wolters has s aid they would issue an arrest warrant before interviewing him

Portuguese arguidos can be interviewed without an arrest warrant being issued, so there's a difference right there. I have edited some of your previous posts to make clear, in the absence of cites, that they are opinions, not facts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 20, 2020, 11:00:54 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 10:41:34 AM

As I said....I dont care if a mod removes it...it wont affect wolters investigation...LOL


many of your recent posts have been opinion...it doesnt bother me
Didn't you claim your information came from Wiki?  Which I took to be Wikipedia.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg632504#msg632504
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 10:58:42 AM
Portuguese arguidos can be interviewed without an arrest warrant being issued, so there's a difference right there. I have edited some of your previous posts to make clear, in the absence of cites, that they are opinions, not facts.

Im not all bothered but will check to see if youve changed the meanings and if you have I will delete them.

could you look at many of faiths recent posts where she continually posts her opinion as fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 20, 2020, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Im not all bothered but will check to see if youve changed the meanings and if you have I will delete them.

could you look at many of faiths recent posts where she continually posts her opinion as fact
Let us know how many you delete thanks.  #11155
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 11:16:14 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 10:01:15 AM
Obviously they have to inform them what they're accused of and why.

if wolters arrests cb before questioning ...then Cb has the right to see the case file. Ive read this today and will see if I can find it again.

As I  recall this was a reason given by wolters for not questioning CB. germany has  asimilar legal framework to portugal and arguidos have a right to see the evidence against them...as in the McCann case...ive provided the cite already
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 11:16:14 AM
if wolters arrests cb before questioning ...then Cb has the right to see the case file. Ive read this today and will see if I can find it again.

As I  recall this was a reason given by wolters for not questioning CB. germany has  asimilar legal framework to portugal and arguidos have a right to see the evidence against them...as in the McCann case...ive provided the cite already

You've provided a cite for what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 11:35:18 AM
You've provided a cite for what?

arguidos having the right to see evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 20, 2020, 11:53:04 AM
I'm not sure if this podcast has been posted before, as it dates back to October 2020.  It features an interesting but not very revealing interview by Mark Saunokonoko with Hans Christian Wolters (I dunno, I dunno... I can't answer that question) about the phone masts amongst other things and begins around 9:15 minutes in...

https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?in_playlist=they-ve-taken-her!podcast (https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?in_playlist=they-ve-taken-her!podcast)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 11:58:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 10:34:51 AM
It has nothing to do with other member's memories, eye for detail, doubts or knowledge. Forum rules are that a request for a cite should be complied with, as you yourself have pointed out previously.

based on that perhaps you could supply the one Ive asked you for
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 12:03:38 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 20, 2020, 11:53:04 AM
I'm not sure if this podcast has been posted before, as it dates back to October 2020.  It features an interesting but not very revealing interview by Mark Saunokonoko with Hans Christian Wolters (I dunno, I dunno... I can't answer that question) about the phone masts amongst other things and begins around 9:15 minutes in...

https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?in_playlist=they-ve-taken-her!podcast (https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?in_playlist=they-ve-taken-her!podcast)

It has been posted but...

MS is long standing McCann scepetic and critic. he admits that wolters answered all question swithout asking for  a list of questions first. MS has edited the interview and its hard to imagine he may have done it in such a way to suit his agenda.it would have been interesting to hear the whole unedited interview.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 20, 2020, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 12:03:38 PM
It has been posted but...

MS is long standing McCann scepetic and critic. he admits that wolters answered all question swithout asking for  a list of questions first. MS has edited the interview and its hard to imagine he may have done it in such a way to suit his agenda.it would have been interesting to hear the whole unedited interview.
Ah OK, thanks... I'm not here all the time so wasn't sure, but I am aware of MS's scepticism.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 20, 2020, 12:11:51 PM
Ah OK, thanks... I'm not here all the time so wasn't sure, but I am aware of MS's scepticism.

Wolters is a spokesman and may not aware of all the  details of the phone evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 01:03:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 12:03:38 PM
It has been posted but...

MS is long standing McCann scepetic and critic. he admits that wolters answered all question swithout asking for  a list of questions first. MS has edited the interview and its hard to imagine he may have done it in such a way to suit his agenda.it would have been interesting to hear the whole unedited interview.

Has Wolter said that the interview wasn’t accurate?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 01:04:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
Wolters is a spokesman and may not aware of all the  details of the phone evidence

Is that your opinion? If so please mark it as such.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 01:03:26 PM
Has Wolter said that the interview wasn’t accurate?

No and the pope hasn't confirmed he's a catholic.. Despite the question being asked many times
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 01:06:11 PM
No and the pope hasn't confirmed he's a catholic.. Despite the question being asked many times

So Wolter has not said that the interview is not accurate. Thank you for verifying that fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 01:07:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 01:04:38 PM
Is that your opinion? If so please mark it as such.

Look back at your last ten posts and correct those
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 20, 2020, 01:07:59 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 01:04:38 PM
Is that your opinion? If so please mark it as such.

Read Davel's Comment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2020, 01:14:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 01:03:26 PM
Has Wolter said that the interview wasn’t accurate?
Yes he has, he told me so on the phone yesterday that he was well pissed off at Mark Saunoffshotgunokoko's dubious podcasts.  Can't provide a cite sorry. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 01:16:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 20, 2020, 01:07:59 PM
Read Davel's Comment.

I have read it. Nowhere does it say IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 01:16:11 PM
I have read it. Nowhere does it say IMO.
It doesn't need to.  Wolters IS a spokesman and that he may not be aware of certain details IS a possibility, not a factual statement. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 20, 2020, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 01:16:11 PM
I have read it. Nowhere does it say IMO.

May not be aware.  The same thing as IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 01:57:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
Wolters is a spokesman and may not aware of all the  details of the phone evidence

In my opinion prosecutors are not spokespeople.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2020, 02:00:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 01:57:08 PM
In my opinion prosecutors are not spokespeople.
In my opinion they can be both.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 20, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 01:57:08 PM
In my opinion prosecutors are not spokespeople.

They are in mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 01:57:08 PM
In my opinion prosecutors are not spokespeople.

Perhaps you and other posters think Wolters is handling this whole investigation on his own.
I'm sure there is, a team of detectives who are collecting and collating evidence.  Part of this will be the phone calls.  Do you think Wolters is working it all out himself.  Wolters, will have been told the end result of the evidence and may not have asked for all the details.  In that respect he is acting as a spokesman for his team

From over a year ago
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 20, 2020, 02:20:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 01:57:08 PM
In my opinion prosecutors are not spokespeople.

In my opinion the current attack on a respected member is nothing short of an aberration based on total misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the German system.

In my opinion Wolters has already stated precisely why he is doing nothing at all regarding Brueckner and as I have said before - that is based on his superior knowledge of German law as opposed to the biased ignorance of internet posters.
All in combination with an apparent inability to assimilate unwelcome information freely broadcast on MSM.

Brueckner is going nowhere for the next few years ... if there is a case to be made against him I'm quite content for time to be taken to make it bomb proof ... similarly if there is no case to be found against him ~ I am quite content for the prosecution to get that right too.

I only wish that the same vociferous considerations Brueckner enjoys had been extended to Madeleine's parents by his apologists.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 02:33:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2020, 01:57:08 PM
In my opinion prosecutors are not spokespeople.

Can you imagine amaral or the Portuguese prosecutor being asked to explain the DNA evidence...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 03:44:23 PM
I've been doing some thinking and trying to rationalise what I've read re Wolters and disclosure of evidence on questioning. its  a shame that a poster actually bringing some important points is badly treated whilst the forum discusses psychics. Myasia and videos in a concluded rape case.

I'm absolutely certain I read in june that Wolters doesnt want to question CB as he would have to disclose his evidence. I thought at the time that ties in with arguido status...unfortunately I cant find that article today...but..

What I did find was an explanation that on arrest a suspect has the right to see the evidence file...this can be refused on the grounds that it might prejudice the investigation but is not guaranteed.

So does Wolters have to arrest CB in order to question him...obviously imo he does. Cb can refuse to be questioned...refuse to leave his cell to be taken for questioning...he could only be compelled if he was arrested.

Once arrested he has the right to see the evidence.

Wolters needs to question him even if he knows CB will take his right to silence ...as I understand silence at interview can harm his defence in court.

So...afaiac Im absolutely right that wolters will have to disclose when CB is questioned...Ill see if I can find the article again then I can post it as fact...but I'm absolutely certain it is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 20, 2020, 03:53:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 03:44:23 PM
I've been doing some thinking and trying to rationalise what I've read re Wolters and disclosure of evidence on questioning. its  a shame that a poster actually bringing some important points is badly treated whilst the forum discusses psychics. Myasia and videos in a concluded rape case.

I'm absolutely certain I read in june that Wolters doesnt want to question CB as he would have to disclose his evidence. I thought at the tiem that ties in with arguido status...unfortunately I cant find that article today...but..

What I did find was an explanation that on arrest a suspect has the right to see the evidence file...this can be refused on the grounds that it might prejudice the investigation but is not guaranteed.

So does wolters have to arrest CB in order to question him...obviously imo he does. Cb can refuse to be questioned...refuse to leave his cell to be taken for questioning...he could only be compelled if he was arrested.

Once arrested he has the right to see the evidence.

wolters need sto question him even if he knows CB wil take his right to silence ...as I understand silence at interview can harm his defence in court.

So...afaiac Im absolutely right that wolters will have to disclose when CB is questioned...Ill see if I can find the article again then I can post it as fact...but I'm absolutely certain it is

Mute of Malice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 03:58:35 PM
This is what ive read...access to the case file the day after arrest and access to the full file  aweek after..

You will not, however, have access to the case file until
you are brought before the investigative judge. This
must happen the day following your arrest. In principle,
your lawyer will not see the case file before that stage
either but, in some circumstances, s/he may be allowed
to see a document summarising the charges against
you.
It will take approximately a week after your first court
hearing before your lawyer is granted full access to the
case file, which is in German. Access to the file at this
stage will only be restricted if it could jeopardize the
investigations.

https://www.fairtrials.org/wp-content/uploads/Germany-advice-note.pdf
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2020, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 03:44:23 PM
I've been doing some thinking and trying to rationalise what I've read re Wolters and disclosure of evidence on questioning. its  a shame that a poster actually bringing some important points is badly treated whilst the forum discusses psychics. Myasia and videos in a concluded rape case.

I'm absolutely certain I read in june that Wolters doesnt want to question CB as he would have to disclose his evidence. I thought at the time that ties in with arguido status...unfortunately I cant find that article today...but..

What I did find was an explanation that on arrest a suspect has the right to see the evidence file...this can be refused on the grounds that it might prejudice the investigation but is not guaranteed.

So does Wolters have to arrest CB in order to question him...obviously imo he does. Cb can refuse to be questioned...refuse to leave his cell to be taken for questioning...he could only be compelled if he was arrested.

Once arrested he has the right to see the evidence.

Wolters needs to question him even if he knows CB will take his right to silence ...as I understand silence at interview can harm his defence in court.

So...afaiac Im absolutely right that wolters will have to disclose when CB is questioned...Ill see if I can find the article again then I can post it as fact...but I'm absolutely certain it is
is this the article Davel?

Authorities believe Brueckner may be involved in the disappearance of multiple children, and are determined to find enough evidence to link him to at least one case.

But German laws allow a suspect to access their case file as soon as they are identified, and prosecutors want to prevent Brueckner's legal team from seeing the file until they are ready to charge him. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399017/Police-NOT-questioned-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner.html

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 20, 2020, 03:58:59 PM
is this the article Davel?

Authorities believe Brueckner may be involved in the disappearance of multiple children, and are determined to find enough evidence to link him to at least one case.

But German laws allow a suspect to access their case file as soon as they are identified, and prosecutors want to prevent Brueckner's legal team from seeing the file until they are ready to charge him. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399017/Police-NOT-questioned-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner.html

Thats the one. So two points..

Wolters is delaying questioning to delay disclosing his evidence

Once questioned and I think its fair to say this will involve arrest...Wolters will have to divulge his evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 04:05:46 PM
then theres this...

'Of course it would be easier for us if we could share our findings instead of always having to say, "We have something, but can't say what it is.''

'At the same time, there is a danger that witnesses could mix memories and reporting.'

'We as prosecutors therefore prefer to investigate in secret,' Wolters added.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html


it seems clear to me ...Wolters is thinking of a trial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 20, 2020, 05:38:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 04:02:34 PM
Thats the one. So two points..

Wolters is delaying questioning to delay disclosing his evidence

Once questioned and I think its fair to say this will involve arrest...Wolters will have to divulge his evidence

It is clear that the German prosecutors strongly suspect that Brueckner may be a serial offender and that Madeleine's is not the only disappearance being investigated.
The stakes are high in seeking justice not only for Madeleine but for others who are missing over the years from places which can be associated with Brueckner.

What is objectionable about that bearing in mind the history of this man?   

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 20, 2020, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 20, 2020, 05:38:56 PM
It is clear that the German prosecutors strongly suspect that Brueckner may be a serial offender and that Madeleine's is not the only disappearance being investigated.
The stakes are high in seeking justice not only for Madeleine but for others who are missing over the years from places which can be associated with Brueckner.

What is objectionable about that bearing in mind the history of this man?

Of course he's a serial offender. How many prison terms has he served ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2020, 05:51:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 20, 2020, 05:45:34 PM
Of course he's a serial offender. How many prison terms has he served ?
I think Brietta meant a serial abductor/murderer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 20, 2020, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 20, 2020, 05:51:37 PM
I think Brietta meant a serial abductor/murderer.

I'm glad you understand the point I was making, VS.  I thought it was clear enough for everyone, but obviously not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 20, 2020, 05:56:45 PM
I'm glad you understand the point I was making, VS.  I thought it was clear enough for everyone, but obviously not.

You said serial offender...you did not specify what offence. IMO Jassi was quite right to assume what she did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on December 20, 2020, 08:51:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2020, 07:42:50 PM
You said serial offender...you did not specify what offence. IMO Jassi was quite right to assume what she did.


Indeed!  my post was removed for pointing  that out. ^*&&
It not as a mod person but as an ordinary poster,  who, it seems uses mod power to stop anyone from offering a  critique  of her musings.

OOOH  Err
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2020, 08:59:40 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on December 20, 2020, 08:51:47 PM

Indeed!  my post was removed for pointing  that out. ^*&&
It not as a mod person but as an ordinary poster,  who, it seems uses mod power to stop anyone from offering a  critique  of her musings.

OOOH  Err
if you think im glued to the screen ..i am..Traore ahs just scored his first premiership goal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 21, 2020, 07:11:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 08:59:40 PM
if you think im glued to the screen ..i am..Traore ahs just scored his first premiership goal
Look at that small screen too long and you'll get tiny square eyes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on December 21, 2020, 02:15:47 PM
I think this is a really important & informative article which is well-worth a second read by posters.

Quote from: Anthro on November 13, 2020, 07:04:26 PM


This is a translation from ‘Der Spiegel’, source: F Ryan.

Suspect in the Maddie case

Accused B. around 2007, missing Madeleine McCann around 2007

Braunschweig, June 2013. Anja K. and her daughter visit a man she met through the Internet portal Chat2000. Christian B. lives with two dogs in the back room of a run-down kiosk in Braunschweig. There wasn't much going on with him, only once did they get physically closer, Anja K. will later tell the police. She got to know him as a child and animal lover.

When she is back home in the evening, she sends him a text message: "We arrived safely, it was nice again, the time with you is good for me! You are also someone special to me. I am glad to know you."

For the daughter, four years old, the visit was a nightmare. When the police searched the kiosk the next summer, she discovered a digital camera. On the SD card are hundreds of pictures and videos with child pornography as well as photos from that visit. One shows the daughter with her legs spread in a meadow, B. has pushed her underpants to the side and is touching the girl's vagina. Another one shows the girl climbing a tree with B. holding his erect penis in the picture.

In the fall of 2017, the Braunschweig Regional Court sentences Christian B. to one year and three months in prison for "sexual abuse of a child" and possession of 391 child pornography photos and 68 videos. The court expressly does not suspend the sentence on probation. It is to be assumed that the convicted person is a "parole violator", the Chamber finds.
Christian B. has been punished many times in his life. Currently he is in a prison in Kiel because he smuggled kilograms of marijuana to Sylt. In addition, he was sentenced to seven years in December because he allegedly attacked and raped a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal; this sentence is not yet final.

The big question is: Will there be another verdict? This time for life, for murder? The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office is investigating Christian B. in the case of the missing English woman Madeleine McCann. The three-year-old girl disappeared in spring 2007 from a vacation resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal. "We assume", says a spokesman for the authorities, "that the girl is dead."

Praia da Luz, in September 2020. street lamps bathe the white houses and the remains of an ancient wall in a warm light. From the beach, past the church, you walk only a few hundred meters to the Luz Ocean Club, a spacious apartment complex with pretty arches.

The Kiel lawyer Friedrich Fülscher, who defends Christian B., has travelled here. He wants to get a picture of the crime scene and gain his own insights. He stops in front of a window with lowered shutters on the north side of the apartment complex. It belongs to the first floor apartment 5A. The time of day, the silence in the side street - it's like back then.

Between 21.10 and 22 o'clock Madeleine Beth McCann disappeared from this room on 3 May 2007. "If the witness statements are correct, there was a time window of one minute and 30 seconds in which the child could have been abducted at that time," says Fülscher. "The perpetrator had a maximum of three minutes."

Photos by the Portuguese investigators show a plain bedroom with a pine chest of drawers. In the middle of the room are two travel cribs for the twins of the McCann family, two years old at the time. Next to them: Madeleine's bed, the blue and white checked bedspread is neatly folded back.

Since that evening more than 13 years ago, the girl has disappeared. During the night the parents Kate and Gerry McCann informed the British television station BBC and other media. They started a Europe-wide search for their child. Celebrities such as David Beckham made a donation, the then Pope Benedict XVI received the parents in the Vatican and blessed a photo of their missing daughter. Later, the parents themselves became the target of the Portuguese investigators, one of so many twists and turns in this case.

And now, after 13 years, the solution? The murderer is a man from Germany, whom the investigators hadn't seen for a long time, even though he already had a criminal record and lived near the crime scene?

Shortly before Madeleine McCann disappeared, a prepaid cell phone with the Portuguese number 00351 912 730 680 was logged into the radio cell of the crime scene. It was, as was to turn out much later, the cell phone of Christian B. Who was he talking to for 30 minutes? An accomplice? Or someone who could give him an alibi? His lawyer does not want to comment on this. He says: "My client did not commit this crime."

From the window of the bedroom Fülscher goes around the corner to the place where several witnesses stood at that time. In a dead-end street lies the back of the apartment, whose terrace door is said to have been open. A friend of the McCanns testified to having seen a man carrying a child away from the resort. Fülscher says: "This man was later identified and has nothing to do with the disappearance. The case is full of "inconsistencies and contradictions

Würzburg, in the seventies. Christian B. was one year old when he and his brothers came to an adoptive family in Würzburg. He later told a social worker about his broken childhood: beatings and other punishments had been the preferred methods of upbringing, his brothers and he had been abused every day. At the age of 14, he moved into the living group of a children's home. He said he had fared better there.

After secondary school, Christian B. began training as a car mechanic. He broke it off because he wanted to leave Germany at all costs. At 18, he "emigrated" to Portugal, where he worked for a German newspaper, in hotels and car repair shops, said B.

In fact, Christian B. did not emigrate at the time, but fled. He received his first punishment, which was suspended on probation at the age of 16. It involved several thefts and driving without a driver's license.

Then he abused a girl, still a teenager. He followed her into a bush, held her by her upper arm, took his penis out of his pants, lifted the six-year-old's skirt and grabbed her between her legs. The girl cried, B. fled. A little later he committed suicide with a nine-year-old girl.

B. received two years in prison for "sexually abusing a child, attempting to sexually abuse a child and performing sexual acts in front of a child. Shortly afterwards he traveled to Portugal, where investigators tracked him down after about five years. B. was extradited to Germany and went to prison. After his release at the end of 2000 he traveled back to the Algarve.

"He was a Hallodri, a jack-of-all-trades," Anja P. tells us in a Berlin café. After graduating from high school, she went to Portugal and stayed there for several years, "like Christian and so many others". Together with a friend, she met him at the opening ceremony of the Taberna de Lagos restaurant, and Christian B. waited there. "Everyone in the foreign community knew him. He was striking because he always wore these jackets and drove an old Jaguar. For me, he was a very nice and helpful guy at the time, who kept his head above water with odd jobs and never had any money.

Later, she also worked in the Taberna de Lagos and visited him several times in his house in Praia da Luz. "The house was near a golf course. At that time, Christian collected golf balls, which he later wanted to sell, and sold tickets for boat trips at the port of Lagos."

With his Jaguar, when she broke down on a country road, he towed away her old Fiat Punto, which is prohibited in Portugal. "He was not interested in that. He brought my car to his farm via hidden roads." Then he told her that the Fiat was beyond repair. "I ditched it and got myself another car. At some point I saw that he was driving around in the Punto himself, but that didn't bother me."

Does she think it possible that Christian B. is the murderer of Madeleine? "You always knew that Christian also did crooked things, but not that kind of thing," says Anja P. When the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY Ungelöst" reported on the suspicion in June, "it really shocked me.

The friend who was present at the opening ceremony of the restaurants put it similarly. "I would never have thought that, although everyone knew that they were sure to have one on the waffle," says the woman, who still lives in Portugal. "If someone walks around in a jacket, driving a Jaguar and showing off, but then works as a waiter, you know you'd rather stay away from him.

Praia da Luz, in the summer of 2003. Andrea B. and Yvonne B., two young women from Munich, met a nice "bon vivant" during their vacation - this is how they regarded the man who sold oranges and called his dog "Charlie", the "eternally panting Charlie".

Together they went to the casino. Chris, as they called him, loved to gamble and told about his plan to be a millionaire at the age of 40. After the trip home, they stayed in touch. Chris wrote e-mails which he signed with "Wölkchen".( little cloud)

Hello girls,

how time flies! Now it is already September! I booked a flight to good old Munich yesterday. For a measly 215 Euro! All criminals! Stop Stop, I'm flying to Stuttgart.

The first night I will stay in Augsburg. After that I would like to stretch my nose to the south and come to you. There is so much to tell again, two months are not enough,

Yours

WÖLKCHEN

"Wölkchen" was allowed to stay overnight with them in Munich. Yvonne B. will later tell the police that she never noticed anything about this man. Perhaps he had not quite correctly expressed himself from time to time about the bust of a woman, nothing else. She had never noticed Christian B. as particularly aggressive.

A German musician and IT-technician, who got to know him in 2005 after a gig in a music bar in Lagos, learned that B. also has an uncanny side. The SPIEGEL reached Christian P., 53, via Skype in the small town of Kampot in Cambodia.

"I met Christian from time to time, he fixed my car, I helped him with the TV," he says. Sometimes they would drink wine. "He was quite a messie. The house in Praia da Luz was totally untidy and unkempt."

During a visit, he noticed three stacks of foreign travel documents. "There were 30 to 50 passports lying around in plain sight." When asked about this, Christian B. told about thefts in Praia da Luz and the surrounding area. "He told us that he went on tour from time to time, and climbed up facades in the process.

This is consistent with the findings of the investigators. According to this, Christian B. financed his life in Portugal in the mid-2000s not with odd jobs, but with burglaries and thefts. In April 2006, he and an Austrian accomplice were caught red-handed at a gas station when they were siphoning diesel from a truck. A Portuguese court sentenced them to 258 days in prison.

"I visited him in prison at the time," Christian P. recalls. "He complained about the poor prison conditions and the lousy food. Because there was no alcohol in the prison, I was supposed to bring him oranges sprinkled with vodka, but I didn't want that. That made B. angry.

Former house of B. in Praia da Luz

Former house of B. in Praia da Luz Photo: Federal Criminal Police Office / epa-efe / shutterstock
During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry".

After his release, B. lived in an old VW bus. Madeleine McCann disappeared a few months later, which nobody connected with him at the time.

Saxony-Anhalt, 2010. Christian B. had driven around a lot, in a large American motor home of the brand Winnebago. Now he bought himself a permanent accommodation again. In Saxony-Anhalt, in the community of Am Großen Bruch, he purchased the grounds of an old box factory for 20,000 euros.

B. had big plans at that time. He wanted to open a camping site there, he told a friend. In fact, he was dealing drugs, bought kilograms of marijuana from a dealer in Oranienburg and sold it on Sylt. The drug deals were discovered and he was investigated. Christian B. moved to the kiosk in Braunschweig.

In Internet chats dating from this time, he did not write as a "cloud", but rather as "maddeningly catchy". Also about his perversions, for example in the chat with "panikspatz66".

wahnsinnderholger: "finally wants to f..k a little one!

panikspatz66: "who doesn't want that"

wahnsinnderholger: "catch something small and then use it for days, that's it ..."

panicspatz66: "... is not without danger either."

wahnsinnderholger: "oh if the evidence is destroyed afterwards ..."

panic sparrow66: "mm"

madderholger: "if for example the deepthroat took too long ...😉".

In January 2016 the police searched the grounds of the former factory. Neighbors had complained about the smell of decay. It came from a dead dog that B. had buried there. Under the carcass, the officers discovered a cloth case with six USB sticks and memory cards full of pictures and films showing abused children.

By this time, the kiosk in Braunschweig had already been searched, and Christian B. was threatened with a prison sentence for the child pornography seized there. He fled again to the Algarve. In São Bartolomeu de Messines, Portuguese investigators arrested him in 2017. Several children had reported that a man had exposed his limb and made obscene movements. B. was extradited to Germany.

No investigator had ever connected him with Madeleine McCann and her disappearance. The lead came about because the notorious criminal B. had himself been the victim of a crime.

When he was imprisoned in Portugal for the thefts, two thieves had raided his house in Praia da Luz. They were also from Germany and were after B.'s loot. One of them, Helge Lars B., reported more than ten years later, in August 2017, from a Greek prison near Scotland Yard.

A few months later German investigators visited him in Greece. Helge Lars B. told them that he had never been friends with the "head waiter" he had met a few months before his arrest. When Christian B. was in prison, he and an accomplice drove to Praia da Luz. First they tapped 200 to 300 liters of diesel from the tank behind the house, then they searched the house. It was full of stolen goods, cameras, clothing, laptops. In the closet, he found swimming goggles, which strangely enough were painted gray on the inside. He had taken two video cameras and about 20 tapes with him, his accomplice a revolver.

On some of the videos, both thieves later agreed in court in Braunschweig, they saw Christian B. raping a woman between 70 and 80 years old. Another video showed a girl, about 14 years old, tied to a wooden post. The statements of the two men contradicted each other in parts; the films can no longer be found.

The investigators assumed that three rapes had been filmed and made inquiries in Portugal. In one case they made progress: a 72-year-old woman was abused in 2005 in Praia da Luz in her house near the beach. At the scene of the crime, the Portuguese police had seized a hair that can be attributed with a probability of 244 billion to one Christian B.

Helge Lars B. told even more: Later he saw Christian B. again, at the so-called Dragon Festival in Orgiva, Spain. There Christian B. admitted to having had something to do with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The detectives are always following up new leads, checking new cases all the time.
Was it really like that? Is this the solution to the criminal case that has made more headlines worldwide than almost any other? Circumstantial evidence speaks against Christian B., but guilt or innocence will only be decided by a court, if an indictment is ever made.

The detectives are still following new leads and examining new cases. Portuguese authorities have informed their colleagues about a ten-year-old girl from Germany who was abused on a beach near Praia da Luz four weeks before Madeleine disappeared. The now 23-year-old woman testified that she is now 99 percent sure that the girl was B. A woman from Ireland also came forward and accused B. of being the man who raped and assaulted her in the Algarve in 2004.

"My client does not want to comment on the ongoing investigations and denies that the 72-year-old woman was raped in Portugal," says attorney Fülscher.

Portugal, in September 2020, about half an hour drive from Praia da Luz to the man who lent Christian B. the VW bus at the time. With long gray hair and a gray full beard, the screwdriver from Germany is leaning against a car with flat tires, his hands are oily, his pants are torn.

On the remote yard near Messines there are rusty VW Golf and Mercedes, as they were modern in the eighties. "I don't want to say anything to Christian," the mechanic immediately says, "he was just here from time to time. He could not understand all the excitement.

He and his son drove around in the white-yellow VW bus for several years after B. returned it, the man says. About two years ago, officials from the Federal Criminal Police Office came by and picked up the bus. They believe that Madeleine McCann could have been kidnapped with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on December 21, 2020, 02:30:57 PM
Apologies for interrupting the debate. I want to take this opportunity to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas despite the awful year past endured by everyone to various degrees. I also want to thank everyone who has taken part in the debates also to varying degrees and to varying degrees of naughtiness at times. It would be a dull forum without all these little diversions and banter we often see. Thank you all for taking part.

Please go safe wherever you are around the world.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on December 21, 2020, 06:09:14 PM
*snipped from media report above

"During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry"."

If Christian P saw these CD's & threw them away, did he visit the Luz property before or after Helge B & Manfred S found the rape videos & gun?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 21, 2020, 06:19:34 PM
Quote from: misty on December 21, 2020, 06:09:14 PM
*snipped from media report above

"During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry"."

If Christian P saw these CD's & threw them away, did he visit the Luz property before or after Helge B & Manfred S found the rape videos & gun?
Personally I don't think one can reliably believe anything that friends of CB say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 21, 2020, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 21, 2020, 06:19:34 PM
Personally I don't think one can reliably believe anything that friends of CB say.

Now if they had said they  saw it in their tea leaves you would believe  every word
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 21, 2020, 07:00:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 21, 2020, 06:58:08 PM
Now if they had said they  saw it in their tea leaves you would believe  every word
Goading post reported.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 21, 2020, 07:04:26 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 21, 2020, 07:00:39 PM
Goading post reported.

I thought you believed in tea leaves
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 21, 2020, 07:08:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 21, 2020, 07:04:26 PM
I thought you believed in tea leaves
You know what Thought thought?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 21, 2020, 08:23:24 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 21, 2020, 06:19:34 PM
Personally I don't think one can reliably believe anything that friends of CB say.
I disagree, Rob. They could be reliable character witnesses. Just because they were criminals, doesn’t mean that they haven’t moved on. E.g. Michael Tatschl has a child of his own now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 21, 2020, 08:29:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 21, 2020, 08:23:24 PM
I disagree, Rob. They could be reliable character witnesses. Just because they were criminals, doesn’t mean that they haven’t moved on. E.g. Michael Tatschl has a child of his own now.

CB won't be convicted on his pals evidence... Their statements are intelligence to tell the police where to look.  Wolters concrete evidence  will be interesting
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 21, 2020, 08:30:15 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 21, 2020, 08:23:24 PM
I disagree, Rob. They could be reliable character witnesses. Just because they were criminals, doesn’t mean that they haven’t moved on. E.g. Michael Tatschl has a child of his own now.

So did Fred West.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 21, 2020, 08:32:38 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 21, 2020, 08:23:24 PM
I disagree, Rob. They could be reliable character witnesses. Just because they were criminals, doesn’t mean that they haven’t moved on. E.g. Michael Tatschl has a child of his own now.

Well one of them was apparently in a Greek jail so he hadn't moved on very far, if at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 21, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 21, 2020, 08:32:38 PM
Well one of them was apparently in a Greek jail so he hadn't moved on very far, if at all.
He is out of jail, so probably he has moved on. How far? I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 21, 2020, 08:49:40 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 21, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
He is out of jail, so probably he has moved on. How far? I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I think what some fail to grasp is that police informers play a massive role in solving crime and the majority of these informers are criminals
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 21, 2020, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 21, 2020, 08:49:40 PM
I think what some fail to grasp is that police informers play a massive role in solving crime and the majority of these informers are criminals

Yep, lie down with dogs and you'll get fleas.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 09:28:10 AM
I think it needs to be borne in mind that the testimonies of CBs friends seem to have been accepted by the German court in the rape case so that would prove the court found them credible. ... .and thats what counts... Not the opinion of posters here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 09:28:10 AM
I think it needs to be borne in mind that the testimonies of CBs friends seem to have been accepted by the German court in the rape case so that would prove the court found them credible. ... .and thats what counts... Not the opinion of posters here.

The court in the Michael Stone case accepted the testimony of informers. How did that go?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
The court in the Michael Stone case accepted the testimony of informers. How did that go?

I don't know.  How did it go?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
The court in the Michael Stone case accepted the testimony of informers. How did that go?

Was there absolutely no other evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
I don't know.  How did it go?

He got convicted but later the witnesses recanted their testimony.

There was no forensic or any other evidence.

http://www.michaelstone.co.uk/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:41:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 10:37:41 AM
Was there absolutely no other evidence

None that tied Stone to the crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 10:37:41 AM
Was there absolutely no other evidence

As a result of the seriousness of one witness admitting to perjury ...
Snip
There was no identification evidence linking him to the scene. At best the evidence disclosed a knowledge of the area obtained while he stayed in a children's home not very far away in east Kent, a broad consistency with someone seen driving nearby and a failure to provide an alibi."

He told the court that Thompson had provided crucial support for Daley but that Thompson's account was now "wholly unreliable".

He said that during the trial all had "accepted the frailties of the crown case" and added: "The first ground of appeal is and always has been that Thompson has become completely discredited as a witness as he has now conceded and therefore the jury must have been quite inadvertently misled at trial into relying upon his evidence to provide support for that given by Daley."

Mr Clegg did not give the other grounds for appeal because Lord Justice Kennedy, Mr Justice Maurice Kay and Mrs Justice Heather Hallet decided to cut short proceedings because they concluded that the appeal "must succeed" on the first ground alone.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/feb/07/audreygillan


Two points of relevance to Madeleine McCann's case and this one are ...
The evidence provided by Brueckner's criminal friend was not solely reliant on his word alone; it was validated when it corroborated the evidence given by the woman he had tortured and raped and was sufficient to convict him of the crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 12:32:53 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:40:36 AM
He got convicted but later the witnesses recanted their testimony.

There was no forensic or any other evidence.

http://www.michaelstone.co.uk/
The lack of forensic evidence in the Cipriano case didn't seem to bother you one bit, and that involved torture and later retracted confessions. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 12:37:22 PM
Snip
There was no identification evidence linking him to the scene. At best the evidence disclosed a knowledge of the area obtained while he stayed in a children's home not very far away in east Kent, a broad consistency with someone seen driving nearby and a failure to provide an alibi."

So failure to provide an alibi can be important as I have suggested
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 12:37:22 PM
Snip
There was no identification evidence linking him to the scene. At best the evidence disclosed a knowledge of the area obtained while he stayed in a children's home not very far away in east Kent, a broad consistency with someone seen driving nearby and a failure to provide an alibi."

So failure to provide an alibi can be important as I have suggested

More so, depending on what Brueckner does or doesn't have to say;
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 12:51:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 12:37:22 PM
Snip
There was no identification evidence linking him to the scene. At best the evidence disclosed a knowledge of the area obtained while he stayed in a children's home not very far away in east Kent, a broad consistency with someone seen driving nearby and a failure to provide an alibi."

So failure to provide an alibi can be important as I have suggested

Failure to provide an alibi was seen as important because the evidence was purely circumstantial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 12:51:00 PM
Failure to provide an alibi was seen as important because the evidence was purely circumstantial.
It doesn't change the fact that failure to provide an alibi was seen to be important.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
Has he been asked for an alibi ?
Brueckner will have no love for the police, so why would he assist them until they get around to formally questioning him ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
It doesn't change the fact that failure to provide an alibi was seen to be important.

In building a case which seems to have led to a miscarriage of justice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 01:06:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 12:56:17 PM
In building a case which seems to have led to a miscarriage of justice.

it was seen as evidence....as I said may well happen in the CB case...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 12:56:17 PM
In building a case which seems to have led to a miscarriage of justice.

A miscarriage of justice resulting from testimony given by a perjurer; illustrating why perjury is considered such a serious criminal act.

Yet it seems there are those determined to overlook Amaral's fall from grace when he was convicted of perjury.

Funny old world, innit!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
A miscarriage of justice resulting from testimony given by a perjurer; illustrating why perjury is considered such a serious criminal act.

Yet it seems there are those determined to overlook Amaral's fall from grace when he was convicted of perjury.

Funny old world, innit!

Investigators listened to and believed false evidence and used the lack of an alibi to support it, so the mistake was theirs.  In my opinion a clear case of choosing a suspect and trying to fit the evidence to support a theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 01:20:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
A miscarriage of justice resulting from testimony given by a perjurer; illustrating why perjury is considered such a serious criminal act.

Yet it seems there are those determined to overlook Amaral's fall from grace when he was convicted of perjury.

Funny old world, innit!

Do you know, I have always been so guided by logic in this case that it has only just hit me how very serious Perjury is, especially in the case of Leonor Cipriano.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Investigators listened to and believed false evidence and used the lack of an alibi to support it, so the mistake was theirs.  In my opinion a clear case of choosing a suspect and trying to fit the evidence to support a theory.

do you have  a cite that the confession was later recanted and therefore false as you claim
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 01:22:56 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
Has he been asked for an alibi ?
Brueckner will have no love for the police, so why would he assist them until they get around to formally questioning him ?
Because allegedly his life has been destroyed by these media allegations so he could in theory put a stop to them once and for all with a cast iron alibi and make the police look like idiots.  Funny he hasn’t chosen to do that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 01:24:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Investigators listened to and believed false evidence and used the lack of an alibi to support it, so the mistake was theirs.  In my opinion a clear case of choosing a suspect and trying to fit the evidence to support a theory.
Isn’t Michael Stone still in prison?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 01:21:51 PM
do you have  a cite that the confession was later recanted and therefore false as you claim...I dont think it was
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 01:28:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 22, 2020, 01:22:56 PM
Because allegedly his life has been destroyed by these media allegations so he could in theory put a stop to them once and for all with a cast iron alibi and make the police look like idiots.  Funny he hasn’t chosen to do that.

Why should he until asked ?
As has been said, he is in prison, so isn't going anywhere. Why do you expect him to make it easy for police ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 01:28:21 PM
Why should he until asked ?
As has been said, he is in prison, so isn't going anywhere. Why do you expect him to make it easy for police ?

its been said by his lawyer he wont answer police questions....I doubt he has an alibi...we will see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 01:28:21 PM
Why should he until asked ?
As has been said, he is in prison, so isn't going anywhere. Why do you expect him to make it easy for police ?
I’ve just explained why, can’t you read??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 22, 2020, 01:31:58 PM
I’ve just explained why, can’t you read??

Maybe he's not really bothered. His life is already ruined for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 01:34:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 01:28:21 PM
Why should he until asked ?
As has been said, he is in prison, so isn't going anywhere. Why do you expect him to make it easy for police ?

providing an alibi would make it difficult for the police....I think its clear he hasnt got one
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 01:38:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 01:33:49 PM
Maybe he's not really bothered. His life is already ruined for the foreseeable future.

Is there any reason for why it shouldn't be?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 01:38:16 PM
Is there any reason for why it shouldn't be?

None at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Investigators listened to and believed false evidence and used the lack of an alibi to support it, so the mistake was theirs.  In my opinion a clear case of choosing a suspect and trying to fit the evidence to support a theory.

cite for false evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 02:27:42 PM
cite for false evidence

"The first ground of appeal is and always has been that Thompson has become completely discredited as a witness as he has now conceded and therefore the jury must have been quite inadvertently misled at trial into relying upon his evidence to provide support for that given by Daley."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg632959#msg632959
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 03:19:01 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 03:12:50 PM
"The first ground of appeal is and always has been that Thompson has become completely discredited as a witness as he has now conceded and therefore the jury must have been quite inadvertently misled at trial into relying upon his evidence to provide support for that given by Daley."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg632959#msg632959
He was convicted at the second trial by evidence supplied by Daley..you cannot state as a fact that this was false evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Investigators listened to and believed false evidence and used the lack of an alibi to support it, so the mistake was theirs.  In my opinion a clear case of choosing a suspect and trying to fit the evidence to support a theory.

Not quite what happened when investigators themselves leaked false evidence to the Portuguese press in the McCann case but which does entirely fit in with the flawed concept of deciding what happened then trying to fit the evidence.

Snip
Ribeiro tells Portugal's Catholic Church-owned Radio Renascenca: "I think there perhaps should have been another assessment before the McCanns were made official suspects. I don't have any doubt about that ... there was a certain hastiness."

The admission is the first by the Policia Judiciaria that the case of the missing four-year-old has been mishandled ...
______________________________________________________________________

It also appears to back up criticisms voiced by the McCanns' lawyer in Portugal, Carlos Pinto de Abreu, who suggested in December that police had waged a smear campaign against the couple by rushing to make them suspects on September 8 – just days before a new law would have made it impossible without firm evidence.

Portugal's Attorney General Fernando Pinto Monteiro has already admitted the McCanns, both 39, might not have been named arguidos after its introduction.

Mr Pinto de Abreu said: "Before September 15 last year you could be made an arguido without any suspicions or evidence against you.

"Now, to constitute someone as an arguido, it is necessary to have evidence in the file. That's why the national public prosecutor said that if this inquiry was launched now, maybe they would not have been made arguidos."https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-511974/Police-chief-We-quick-make-Gerry-Kate-arguidos.html


I think the German prosecutor Wolters slow, carefully considered case work and co-ordination is specifically designed to avoid the mistakes of the past by rushing to judgement before the evidence has been gathered and properly evaluated.
Apparently the justice systems of Germany and Portugal share many characteristics, resulting in the German co-ordinator knowing exactly how he should be going about this and I think he knows exactly how the evidence is shaping up and to where it is leading.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 22, 2020, 01:24:21 PM
Isn’t Michael Stone still in prison?

Seems he lost a retrial and is still in prison ~

Snip
Stone is serving three life sentences over the Chillenden murders. He lost a retrial in 2001 and an appeal in 2005.https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/chillenden-murderer-michael-stone-demands-4573981
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 03:56:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 03:19:01 PM
He was convicted at the second trial by evidence supplied by Daley..you cannot state as a fact that this was false evidence

I didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 04:02:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 03:56:23 PM
I didn't.

Then the police may have listened to a lot of evidence...some true...some false...probably the same in every case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 04:04:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 01:33:49 PM
Maybe he's not really bothered. His life is already ruined for the foreseeable future.
If he’s not bothered then why has he instructed his lawyer to sue the media for false stories?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 04:11:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 22, 2020, 04:04:31 PM
If he’s not bothered then why has he instructed his lawyer to sue the media for false stories?

To try and get money perhaps.

I really can't see him as the sensitive type who would  actually care what people said about him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 05:21:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 04:11:26 PM
To try and get money perhaps.

I really can't see him as the sensitive type who would  actually care what people said about him.
He is protesting his innocence via his lawyer so it sounds to me like he does care.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 05:25:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 22, 2020, 05:21:29 PM
He is protesting his innocence via his lawyer so it sounds to me like he does care.

If that's what you want to believe then fine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:32:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 01:20:55 PM
Do you know, I have always been so guided by logic in this case that it has only just hit me how very serious Perjury is, especially in the case of Leonor Cipriano.

Indeed. Didn’t she get extra time for perjuring herself?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:36:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 01:34:37 PM
providing an alibi would make it difficult for the police....I think its clear he hasnt got one

I’m sure that fact that the crime was 13 years ago will be taken into consideration when it comes to the alibi issue.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 05:36:35 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:32:20 PM
Indeed. Didn’t she get extra time for perjuring herself?

The most bizarre judgement ever afaiac
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:37:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 05:36:35 PM
The most bizarre judgement ever afaiac

Not according to those who actually understand the law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:40:09 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:32:20 PM
Indeed. Didn’t she get extra time for perjuring herself?

In Prison, while Amaral got a suspended sentence and couldn't claim to have had a bag over his head.  Nor was he beaten half blind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 22, 2020, 05:45:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 01:38:16 PM
Is there any reason for why it shouldn't be?

I'd venture most if not all on here think he should be kept inside to prevent harm to other's, whats the connection to Madeleine's disappearance though besides hearsay, is that a satisfactory end to the saga, his ex mates said he was the one that done it, that all ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 22, 2020, 05:46:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:40:09 PM
In Prison, while Amaral got a suspended sentence and couldn't claim to have had a bag over his head.  Nor was he beaten half blind.

How is one beaten half blind?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 05:48:35 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:36:18 PM
I’m sure that fact that the crime was 13 years ago will be taken into consideration when it comes to the alibi issue.

I'm sure it will but how much weight the judge will give that is another question
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:40:09 PM
In Prison, while Amaral got a suspended sentence and couldn't claim to have had a bag over his head.  Nor was he beaten half blind.

To be fair though neither was she.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:50:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 22, 2020, 05:46:20 PM
How is one beaten half blind?

She was beaten so badly around the head that blood ran into her eyes internally and blinded her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:52:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:48:42 PM
To be fair though neither was she.

You think persistently beating someone around the head is going to help them see properly?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 05:53:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:50:10 PM
She was beaten so badly around the head that blood ran into her eyes internally and blinded her.

Not a case I follow in any detail, so is there a cite for that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 22, 2020, 05:53:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:50:10 PM
She was beaten so badly around the head that blood ran into her eyes internally and blinded her.

Permanently ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 05:48:35 PM
I'm sure it will but how much weight the judge will give that is another question

Not much at all I’d guess.

I’d guess only a very small percentage of any population would know where the were on a specific evening 13 years ago, especially someone like Brueckner who lived a nomadic lifestyle. I think it would be more questionable if he did know where he was.

I’m afraid you’re putting to much reliance on the importance of an alibi.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:56:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:52:01 PM
You think persistently beating someone around the head is going to help them see properly?

Of course not but Cipriano is a proven liar so I’d hold anything she claimed at arms length.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
Not much at all I’d guess.

I’d guess only a very small percentage of any population would know where the were on a specific evening 13 years ago, especially someone like Brueckner who lived a nomadic lifestyle. I think it would be more questionable if he did know where he was.

I’m afraid you’re putting to much reliance on the importance of an alibi.

I don't think I am and I certainly trust my judgement over yours...we will have to wait and see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:59:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 05:53:33 PM
Not a case I follow in any detail, so is there a cite for that ?

Littered all over this Forum.  Try the Search Facility.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:56:04 PM
Of course not but Cipriano is a proven liar so I’d hold anything she claimed at arms length.

So is Amaral.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 06:03:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 05:59:20 PM
I don't think I am and I certainly trust my judgement over yours...we will have to wait and see

Then you are heading for a bitter disappointment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:59:39 PM
Littered all over this Forum.  Try the Search Facility.

Not a satisfactory answer, particularly from a Mod.
You made the claim so you need to support it with a cite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 22, 2020, 06:14:42 PM
Don't go the admin route, she is probably the one on sentinelle duty.

Have you any idea of what you are talking about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 06:03:19 PM
Then you are heading for a bitter disappointment.
The very fact you don't understand the difference between fact and opinion supports my view
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 06:27:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 06:18:24 PM
The very fact you don't understand the difference between fact and opinion supports my view

I couldn’t t be less interested. Please stick to the subject.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 06:27:33 PM
I couldn’t t be less interested. Please stick to the subject.

you claimed im heading for  a big disappointment....dont complain if I answer your post

I will probably be more disappointed if CB is found guilty....I would prefer a less horrible outcome
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 06:36:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 06:30:40 PM
you claimed im heading for  a big disappointment....dont complain if I answer your post

I will probably be more disappointed if CB is found guilty....I would prefer a less horrible outcome

That is what some people don't understand.  And probably never will.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 06:38:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 06:36:42 PM
That is what some people don't understand.  And probably never will.

Unfortunately I only feel that with you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 06:39:41 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
Not much at all I’d guess.

I’d guess only a very small percentage of any population would know where the were on a specific evening 13 years ago, especially someone like Brueckner who lived a nomadic lifestyle. I think it would be more questionable if he did know where he was.

I’m afraid you’re putting to much reliance on the importance of an alibi.

I think most people would remeber why they transferred their car registration into someone elses name....it highlughts  a specific day and reason. thats why if he does deccide to answer questions he could put himself in big trouble
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 06:38:43 PM
Unfortunately I only feel that with you.

as I said...poor judgemnet imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 05:25:32 PM
If that's what you want to believe then fine.
The facts support my opinion, they don’t support yours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 22, 2020, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 06:39:41 PM
I think most people would remeber why they transferred their car registration into someone elses name....it highlughts  a specific day and reason. thats why if he does deccide to answer questions he could put himself in big trouble


Think so, I can't remember previous car registrations, having changed for specific reasons and the day they were done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 22, 2020, 05:46:20 PM
How is one beaten half blind?
Punched repeatedly in one eye till you can’t see out of it should do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 07:08:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 06:39:41 PM
I think most people would remeber why they transferred their car registration into someone elses name....it highlughts  a specific day and reason. thats why if he does deccide to answer questions he could put himself in big trouble

The reason but not necessarily the date.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 07:08:15 PM
The reason but not necessarily the date.

So he would remeber what he was doing on the date the reg was changed...which would form an official record
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 07:11:01 PM
So he would remeber what he was doing on the date the reg was changed...which would form an official record

Only if he changed the registration on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance. Otherwise the information is useless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 07:19:11 PM
Only if he changed the registration on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance. Otherwise the information is useless.

According to reports it was the day after...so not useless
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 07:22:30 PM
According to reports it was the day after...so not useless

Absolutely useless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 07:41:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 07:31:44 PM
Absolutely useless.

Perhaps Brueckner was too busy that evening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 08:18:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 07:41:45 PM
Perhaps Brueckner was too busy that evening.

Was he? Doing what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 08:25:09 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 08:18:52 PM
Was he? Doing what?

I don't know.  Trying to find the person who nicked his phone?  He would have to have noticed it was missing if it wasn't him using it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 08:30:16 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 08:25:09 PM
I don't know.  Trying to find the person who nicked his phone?  He would have to have noticed it was missing if it wasn't him using it.

Was his phone nicked?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 08:34:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 22, 2020, 06:42:13 PM

Think so, I can't remember previous car registrations, having changed for specific reasons and the day they were done.

In order to register a car in Germany the owner needs to book an appointment at their  local car registration office (Kraftfahrzeug Zulassungsstelle). The registration costs around 30 euros.

Various documents need to be produced at the appointment;

Valid ID (a German passport, foreign one or an ID card)
Registration certificate (Anmeldebescheinigung)
Proof of ownership (part II of the car’s registration certificate)
Proof of car insurance (eVB number)
Certificate of conformity (if applicable)
Foreign registration certificate (for imported cars only)
Proof of roadworthiness following technical inspection (TÜV certificate)
SEPA direct debit mandate for payment of vehicle tax
https://www.iamexpat.de/expat-info/driving-germany/registering-vehicle

Having read that, it seems a bit simplistic to say someone changed the registration on a given day. The appointment had to have been booked previously, and the paperwork gathered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 08:37:15 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 08:30:16 PM
Was his phone nicked?

I don't know that either.

Do you think he lent it to someone?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 08:39:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 08:37:15 PM
I don't know that either.

Do you think he lent it to someone?

You know I have no idea.

Perhaps that’s one of the things Wolter can ask when he finally gets round to questioning Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 08:40:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 08:34:47 PM
In order to register a car in Germany the owner needs to book an appointment at their  local car registration office (Kraftfahrzeug Zulassungsstelle). The registration costs around 30 euros.

Various documents need to be produced at the appointment;

Valid ID (a German passport, foreign one or an ID card)
Registration certificate (Anmeldebescheinigung)
Proof of ownership (part II of the car’s registration certificate)
Proof of car insurance (eVB number)
Certificate of conformity (if applicable)
Foreign registration certificate (for imported cars only)
Proof of roadworthiness following technical inspection (TÜV certificate)
SEPA direct debit mandate for payment of vehicle tax
https://www.iamexpat.de/expat-info/driving-germany/registering-vehicle

Having read that, it seems a bit simplistic to say someone changed the registration on a given day. The appointment had to have been booked previously, and the paperwork gathered.
He wasn’t in Germany though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 08:44:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 08:34:47 PM
In order to register a car in Germany the owner needs to book an appointment at their  local car registration office (Kraftfahrzeug Zulassungsstelle). The registration costs around 30 euros.

Various documents need to be produced at the appointment;

Valid ID (a German passport, foreign one or an ID card)
Registration certificate (Anmeldebescheinigung)
Proof of ownership (part II of the car’s registration certificate)
Proof of car insurance (eVB number)
Certificate of conformity (if applicable)
Foreign registration certificate (for imported cars only)
Proof of roadworthiness following technical inspection (TÜV certificate)
SEPA direct debit mandate for payment of vehicle tax
https://www.iamexpat.de/expat-info/driving-germany/registering-vehicle

Having read that, it seems a bit simplistic to say someone changed the registration on a given day. The appointment had to have been booked previously, and the paperwork gathered.

Presumably the owner has to put in a physical appearance to make this transfer, so Brueckner would need to be in Germany on that day.

Unless this car transfer story is just that - a story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 08:39:23 PM
You know I have no idea.

Perhaps that’s one of the things Wolter can ask when he finally gets round to questioning Brueckner.

It would certainly clear up a couple of things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 08:45:20 PM
It would certainly clear up a couple of things.

It would indeed.

Kinda makes you wonder why he hasn’t done it yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 08:51:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 22, 2020, 08:40:34 PM
He wasn’t in Germany though.

How do you know that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 08:52:39 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
It would indeed.

Kinda makes you wonder why he hasn’t done it yet.

I don't care to speculate about that at the moment.  But it won't half make you wonder if he refuses to answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 09:02:11 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 08:51:51 PM
How do you know that?
The police said so
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 22, 2020, 09:02:11 PM
The police said so

OK. Can you provide a cite for that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 09:05:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 08:52:39 PM
I don't care to speculate about that at the moment.  But it won't half make you wonder if he refuses to answer.

Perhaps he has seen Kate use that strategy successfully and thinks ‘ well if it worked for Kate’ ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:40:09 PM
In Prison, while Amaral got a suspended sentence and couldn't claim to have had a bag over his head.  Nor was he beaten half blind.
Amaral was convicted of perjury for covering up Leonor Cipriano's beating and torture at the hands of his officers and got off very lightly;  Leonore did have a bag over her head while she was being beaten to a pulp and couldn't say which officer struck which blow and received more time because she was unable to see who was doing what to her.

I cannot imagine why anyone would justify a prisoner in custody being tortured to her extreme injury by lauding the fact a rather bizarre judicial judgement punished her further by justifying her torture.

Women do not seem to get a good deal under the Portuguese justice system ~ in fact the rapes of the Irish and the American woman seems to indicate they do not get any sort of deal whatsoever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 09:11:03 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 09:05:11 PM
Perhaps he has seen Kate use that strategy successfully and thinks ‘ well if it worked for Kate’ ?

Kate has never been arrested.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 08:44:47 PM
Presumably the owner has to put in a physical appearance to make this transfer, so Brueckner would need to be in Germany on that day.

Unless this car transfer story is just that - a story.

If they pretended that his friend had bought it, his friend could have done it but he would have needed the registration docs and a contract of sale.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 09:14:56 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
Amaral was convicted of perjury for covering up Leonor Cipriano's beating and torture at the hands of his officers and got off very lightly;  Leonore did have a bag over her head while she was being beaten to a pulp and couldn't say which officer struck which blow and received more time because she was unable to see who was doing what to her.

I cannot imagine why anyone would justify a prisoner in custody being tortured to her extreme injury by lauding the fact a rather bizarre judicial judgement punished her further by justifying her torture.

Women do not seem to get a good deal under the Portuguese justice system ~ in fact the rapes of the Irish and the American woman seems to indicate they do not get any sort of deal whatsoever.

No surprises there.  And The Police involved in Torture and Perjury get to keep their jobs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2020, 09:19:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 22, 2020, 09:14:45 PM
If they pretended that his friend had bought it, his friend could have done it but he would have needed the registration docs and a contract of sale.

That would mean it had been arranged in advance, so that the friend had the appropriate documents in Germany on that day
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 09:19:14 PM
That would mean it had been arranged in advance, so that the friend had the appropriate documents in Germany on that day

Best ask Wolters.  He will know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 09:22:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 22, 2020, 05:46:20 PM
How is one beaten half blind?

A question better asked of Cristovao and Amaral who were present and on duty at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joana_Cipriano

But if you are really interested in the effect of being tortured as Leonore Cipriano was, read on ...
Snip
  ... Odemira prison director Ana Maria Calado, who confirmed Leonor Cipriano's account, noting how shocked she was about her conditions, with black marks, haematomae and bruising in her face, mainly around her eyes, her head and ribs, mainly on her sides. She assured that the physical marks clearly indicated a violent aggression and not a fall down some stairs, something the legal-medical report also confirmed. She noted that Cipriano's conditions worsened a week after she was tortured, as the blood that had gathered at the height of her brows was so much that it ended up falling over her eyes, leaving her practically blind for almost a month, and the director regrets not having ordered photographs of this period to be taken. She also said that relations between Cipriano and the prison guards and other prisoners were good, and that she did not believe that she had attempted suicide.

Calado expressed her surprise for a number of facts: a) that the judicial police did not take Cipriano to a health centre in Faro to certify that she had fallen down some stairs; b) that the day of her interrogation was chosen during Calado's week of holidays, when she would never have allowed her to be picked up at 6 a.m. without a formal request by the judicial police; and c) that judicial police officers who arrived from Lisbon to investigate the allegations of torture proposed sharing the blame between the judicial police and prison, something she refused.

https://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/may/portugal-report-on-torture-suffered-by-leonor-cipriano/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 09:28:11 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
Amaral was convicted of perjury for covering up Leonor Cipriano's beating and torture at the hands of his officers and got off very lightly;  Leonore did have a bag over her head while she was being beaten to a pulp and couldn't say which officer struck which blow and received more time because she was unable to see who was doing what to her.

I cannot imagine why anyone would justify a prisoner in custody being tortured to her extreme injury by lauding the fact a rather bizarre judicial judgement punished her further by justifying her torture.

Women do not seem to get a good deal under the Portuguese justice system ~ in fact the rapes of the Irish and the American woman seems to indicate they do not get any sort of deal whatsoever.

If you’re angered about how rape victims are treated in Portugal you’ll be rightly appalled by the way that they’re treated  in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/30/convictions-fall-record-low-england-wales-prosecutions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 09:29:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 09:11:03 PM
Kate has never been arrested.

Not sure what difference that makes. Care to explain?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 09:29:23 PM
Not sure what difference that makes. Care to explain?

If you can't see the difference between Kate and Brueckner then you have a problem.  It isn't for me to explain anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 09:22:29 PM
A question better asked of Cristovao and Amaral who were present and on duty at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joana_Cipriano

But if you are really interested in the effect of being tortured as Leonore Cipriano was, read on ...
Snip
  ... Odemira prison director Ana Maria Calado, who confirmed Leonor Cipriano's account, noting how shocked she was about her conditions, with black marks, haematomae and bruising in her face, mainly around her eyes, her head and ribs, mainly on her sides. She assured that the physical marks clearly indicated a violent aggression and not a fall down some stairs, something the legal-medical report also confirmed. She noted that Cipriano's conditions worsened a week after she was tortured, as the blood that had gathered at the height of her brows was so much that it ended up falling over her eyes, leaving her practically blind for almost a month, and the director regrets not having ordered photographs of this period to be taken. She also said that relations between Cipriano and the prison guards and other prisoners were good, and that she did not believe that she had attempted suicide.

Calado expressed her surprise for a number of facts: a) that the judicial police did not take Cipriano to a health centre in Faro to certify that she had fallen down some stairs; b) that the day of her interrogation was chosen during Calado's week of holidays, when she would never have allowed her to be picked up at 6 a.m. without a formal request by the judicial police; and c) that judicial police officers who arrived from Lisbon to investigate the allegations of torture proposed sharing the blame between the judicial police and prison, something she refused.

https://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/may/portugal-report-on-torture-suffered-by-leonor-cipriano/

Ah Correia....nuff said. Have you got anything a little less...compromised?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 09:32:21 PM
Ah Correia....nuff said. Have you got anything a little less...compromised?

Have you read the court judgement
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 05:50:10 PM
She was beaten so badly around the head that blood ran into her eyes internally and blinded her.

In my opinion she could well have suffered haematoma in the brain as a result of the blows she received to her head and was lucky not to have suffered permanent damage to her sight.
(https://images.medicinenet.com/images/appictures/hematoma-s1-facts-b.jpg)
Hematoma factshttps://www.medicinenet.com/hematoma/article.htm


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
In my opinion she could well have suffered haematoma in the brain as a result of the blows she received to her head and was lucky not to have suffered permanent damage to her sight.
(https://images.medicinenet.com/images/appictures/hematoma-s1-facts-b.jpg)
Hematoma facts
  • A hematoma is a collection of blood outside of a blood vessel.
  • Symptoms of hematomas depend upon their location and whether adjacent structures are affected by the inflammation and swelling associated with the bleeding and may include
    • headache
    • confusion
    • seizures (subdural hematoma)
    • back pain
    • loss of bladder or bowel control (epidural hematoma)
https://www.medicinenet.com/hematoma/article.htm

I’ll save my sympathy for her small daughter, the real victim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 09:53:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 06:39:41 PM
I think most people would remeber why they transferred their car registration into someone elses name....it highlughts  a specific day and reason. thats why if he does deccide to answer questions he could put himself in big trouble

If by chance he had forgotten surely when his memory was jogged he would recall the reasoning at the time behind doing that, particularly as I believe the car remained in his possession with only the ownership transferred.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 22, 2020, 09:53:16 PM
If by chance he had forgotten surely when his memory was jogged he would recall the reasoning at the time behind doing that, particularly as I believe the car remained in his possession with only the ownership transferred.

I agree, he certainly would remember the reason for changing the details of the registration. What he wouldn’t necessarily remember thirteen years later is what he was doing the night before.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 10:08:57 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:02:52 PM
I agree, he certainly would remember the reason for changing the details of the registration. What he wouldn’t necessarily remember thirteen years later is what he was doing the night before.

Do you know why he changed the details of the registration?  Isn't this a strange thing to do while retaining the car in his possession?

What was he trying to hide, do you think?  If anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 09:04:42 PM
OK. Can you provide a cite for that ?
probably, if you ask nicely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 10:08:57 PM
Do you know why he changed the details of the registration?  Isn't this a strange thing to do while retaining the car in his possession?

What was he trying to hide, do you think?  If anything.

I have no idea why he changed the details of his registration. Much like I have no idea why Gerry took the time after finding his daughter missing to delete items from his phone. I’m sure both were perfectly innocent but without further information it would just be speculation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:02:52 PM
I agree, he certainly would remember the reason for changing the details of the registration. What he wouldn’t necessarily remember thirteen years later is what he was doing the night before.

I think he may well remember exactly what he was doing on 3rd may
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 10:17:50 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 09:52:13 PM
I’ll save my sympathy for her small daughter, the real victim.
Even though there was no forensic evidence or eye witness testimony against her?  How come this matters to you in the case of Michael Stone but not in this case?  Double standards, what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 22, 2020, 08:44:47 PM
Presumably the owner has to put in a physical appearance to make this transfer, so Brueckner would need to be in Germany on that day.

Unless this car transfer story is just that - a story.
And if he was and had to sign papers then he has his cast iron alibi.  What a wonder the German police haven’t yet realised this!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 10:16:29 PM
I have no idea why he changed the details of his registration. Much like I have no idea why Gerry took the time after finding his daughter missing to delete items from his phone. I’m sure both were perfectly innocent but without further information it would just be speculation.

Well, I'm glad we agree on that. 

It was nice arguing with you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 22, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 22, 2020, 08:40:34 PM
He wasn’t in Germany though.

Or might he have been in Germany.  Early flight over?  Alibi?

Alternatively could this sale of his car have been somehow artificially arranged to make it appear that he was in Germany on the 3rd?   Again as an alibi ?



The fact that this document appears to prove that CB was in Germany could be the reason that his lawyer is so convinced of CB's innocence, couldn't it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 10:40:05 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 22, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Or might he have been in Germany.  Early flight over?  Alibi?

Alternatively could this sale of his car have been somehow artificially arranged to make it appear that he was in Germany on the 3rd?   Again as an alibi ?



The fact that this document appears to prove that CB was in Germany could be the reason that his lawyer is so convinced of CB's innocence, couldn't it?

I doubt his lawyer is convinced of his innocence...he's not that thick
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 22, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Or might he have been in Germany.  Early flight over?  Alibi?

Alternatively could this sale of his car have been somehow artificially arranged to make it appear that he was in Germany on the 3rd?   Again as an alibi ?



The fact that this document appears to prove that CB was in Germany could be the reason that his lawyer is so convinced of CB's innocence, couldn't it?
Which document proves he was in Germany?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 22, 2020, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 10:40:05 PM
I doubt his lawyer is convinced of his innocence...he's not that thick

He appears to be Davel.

There is proof that CB is guilty of lots of nasty things, but there is no proof that we know of that he is guilty of anything to do with Madeleine, is there ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 22, 2020, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 22, 2020, 10:46:49 PM
Which document proves he was in Germany?

Maybe I have misunderstood the forum, but as I understand it, the document of change of car ownership has to be witnessed by the seller in Germany.

Please note, I am not saying that he was definitely in Germany.  I gave three alternatives in my post.

I am open minded, and able to consider other ideas.

Have you any other ideas, please ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 22, 2020, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 22, 2020, 10:55:46 PM
Maybe I have misunderstood the forum, but as I understand it, the document of change of car ownership has to be witnessed by the seller in Germany.

Please note, I am not saying that he was definitely in Germany.  I gave three alternatives in my post.

I am open minded, and able to consider other ideas.

Have you any other ideas, please ?
I think you're right Sadie.  Can you do that trip in a day - Portugal to Germany?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 22, 2020, 10:58:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 22, 2020, 10:08:57 PM
Do you know why he changed the details of the registration?  Isn't this a strange thing to do while retaining the car in his possession?

What was he trying to hide, do you think?  If anything.

Could he have been setting up an alibi ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 22, 2020, 11:01:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 10:17:39 PM
I think he may well remember exactly what he was doing on 3rd may

If he is involved in abducting Madeleine, then yes he will.   If innocent, then it is extremely unlikely that he will remember a specific evening from 13 years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 22, 2020, 11:01:30 PM
If he is involved in abducting Madeleine, then yes he will.   If innocent, then it is extremely unlikely that he will remember a specific evening from 13 years ago.
I don't think that's true...what were you doing when you heard  about 9/11.

A man with a particular interest in paedophilia doesn't remember what he was doing when a child was possibly abducted by a paedophile just down the road from him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 22, 2020, 10:50:06 PM
He appears to be Davel.

There is proof that CB is guilty of lots of nasty things, but there is no proof that we know of that he is guilty of anything to do with Madeleine, is there ?
According to HCW there is concrete evidence Maddie is dead and CB murdered her..only a court decides if it's proof
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 22, 2020, 11:18:25 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 22, 2020, 10:58:12 PM
I think you're right Sadie.  Can you do that trip in a day - Portugal to Germany?

As a rough guide, Frankfurt, which is pretty central in Germany is very approximately the same distance from Faro (PT) as Birmingham is from Faro.  We have done the Faro flight from Birmingham several times and if memory serves me right, I think the flight was about 3 hours, give or take half an hour.  It was the early stages of the holiday season so there would likely be quite a few flights daily.

It seems that various countries mainly fly in and out of Portugal on specific days of the week.  I think with the UK, Thursday and a w/e day (from memory) are the two days most flights go between the two countries.

Gunit, have you any idea what days the flights go connecting PT and Germany, please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 22, 2020, 11:24:38 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 22, 2020, 10:55:46 PM
Maybe I have misunderstood the forum, but as I understand it, the document of change of car ownership has to be witnessed by the seller in Germany.

Please note, I am not saying that he was definitely in Germany.  I gave three alternatives in my post.

I am open minded, and able to consider other ideas.

Have you any other ideas, please ?
That he wasn’t in Germany but Portugal when he did whatever it was he did with his car registration.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 11:29:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 22, 2020, 11:01:30 PM
If he is involved in abducting Madeleine, then yes he will.   If innocent, then it is extremely unlikely that he will remember a specific evening from 13 years ago.
I don't think that's true...what were you doing when you heard  about 9/11.

A man with a particular interest in pardophilia doesnt remember what he was doing when a child was possibly abducted by a paedophile just down the road from him

Bruckner will possibly remember where he was when he heard Madeleine had disappeared but I doubt if he’d remember what he was doing on the night she was abducted as it would have been just one night amongst many.

I can remember where I was when I heard the first reports of Madeleine’s disappearance but the night she disappeared, haven’t a clue.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
According to reports his then girlfriend said he told her the night before the abduction he had a terrible job to do the following day and she wouldn't see him for a while...so she remembers the day well.
What a witness she might be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 22, 2020, 11:32:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 11:29:09 PM
Bruckner will possibly remember where he was when he heard Madeleine had disappeared but I doubt if he’d remember what he was doing on the night she was abducted as it would have been just one night amongst many.

I can remember where I was when I heard the first reports of Madeleine’s disappearance but the night she disappeared, haven’t a clue.

Alibis for the days after will be important too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 11:41:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
According to reports his then girlfriend said he told her the night before the abduction he had a terrible job to do the following day and she wouldn't see him for a while...so she remembers the day well.
What a witness she might be.

Thought you didn’t believe stories in the media?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 22, 2020, 11:43:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 11:32:45 PM
Alibis for the days after will be important too

Unless someone can categorically put him at the scene of the crime after 13 years an alibi won’t at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 23, 2020, 12:16:39 AM

Quote from: sadie on December 22, 2020, 11:01:30 PM
If he is involved in abducting Madeleine, then yes he will.   If innocent, then it is extremely unlikely that he will remember a specific evening from 13 years ago.

Quote from: Davel on December 22, 2020, 11:10:41 PM
I don't think that's true...what were you doing when you heard  about 9/11.

A man with a particular interest in pardophilia doesnt remember what he was doing when a child was possibly abducted by a paedophile just down the road from him

I think it was just an ordinary day for me and I am afraid that I cant remember what I was doing on the day of 9/11 although I certainly watched it avidly on TV.   I do know that I summed it up instantly and well and truly beat the commentators in saying that it was an Act of Aggression.


Look Davel, I think that very probably CB was involved in the abduction of Madeleine, but I don't know that, so at this stage, I must give him the benefit of the doubt.   

What I do very much doubt is that CB killed Madeleine, because:

-  I think that I have uncovered the person (Elite mastermind) behind the abduction of Madeleine and almost certainly other children - and,

-  I think that OG have listened and acted upon my very considerable findings

-  I discovered a place in another country, a very specific place no bigger than a football pitch that I believed Madeleine was probably be.   It was rumoured on forums that Madeleine was not recognisable any more because she was several years older and had lost her baby looks, so she was no longer being so hidden.   

I decided that in the early stages she would probably be a bit disguised and I knew exactly where I was looking, so I decided to look for masked galas, festivals etc in the particular place I had developed an interest in.   I was very lucky and very excited when on about the third internet Youtube video I tried, there she was.   As a figure drawer and portrait artist with 65 years experience at pretty high levels, I believe that it was Madeleine.  I suggested that OG get it checked out by one of the famous London Art Schools

-  And other little bits which I will not  share.



So the above reasons, Davel, make me believe that Madeleine was still alive in 2012, and it seems from the Crimewatch program that SY were certainly very interested, cos they showed at least two of my folders, maybe three.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 23, 2020, 12:28:14 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 23, 2020, 12:16:39 AM
I think it was just an ordinary day for me and I am afraid that I cant remember what I was doing on the day of 9/11 although I certainly watched it avidly on TV.   I do know that I summed it up instantly and well and truly beat the commentators in saying that it was an Act of Aggression.


Look Davel, I think that very probably CB was involved in the abduction of Madeleine, but I don't know that, so at this stage, I must give him the benefit of the doubt.   

What I do very much doubt is that CB killed Madeleine, because:

-  I think that I have uncovered the person (Elite mastermind) behind the abduction of Madeleine and almost certainly other children - and,

-  I think that OG have listened and acted upon my very considerable findings

-  I discovered a place in another country, a very specific place no bigger than a football pitch that I believed Madeleine was probably be.   It was rumoured on forums that Madeleine was not recognisable any more because she was several years older and had lost her baby looks, so she was no longer being so hidden.   

I decided that in the early stages she would probably be a bit disguised and I knew exactly where I was looking, so I decided to look for masked galas, festivals etc in the particular place I had developed an interest in.   I was very lucky and very excited when on about the third internet Youtube video I tried, there she was.   As a figure drawer and portrait artist with 65 years experience at pretty high levels, I believe that it was Madeleine.  I suggested that OG get it checked out by one of the famous London Art Schools

-  And other little bits which I will not  share.



So the above reasons, Davel, make me believe that Madeleine was still alive in 2012, and it seems from the Crimewatch program that SY were certainly very interested, cos they showed at least two of my folders, maybe three.


Her mannerisms, gait, intellect (she was joint leader of a fair sized group dancing), body etc. all pointed to Kate and Gerry.  A tiny bit of hair showed and that appeared to be the same reddy brown colour that both Kate and Gerry had as children.   The only thing gone was the ready smile on her face; it was expressionless.   

Seems OG liked my massive hypothesis,  and the video, cos they showed my files on Crimewatch

Interestingly to me, this video has now been deleted, but others from the same event in other years still remain.  As you must all know by now, any reports/ images that get altered or deleted always interest me - cos I wonder
-  why? 
-  What were they showing before? 
-  Why were they deleted/altered ? 
-  What is being hidden ?

These are the reasons, along with others that I can't share, why I believe Madeleine was very much alive in 2012.

If so, it is unlikely that CB murdered her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 23, 2020, 02:50:35 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 22, 2020, 11:18:25 PM
As a rough guide, Frankfurt, which is pretty central in Germany is very approximately the same distance from Faro (PT) as Birmingham is from Faro.  We have done the Faro flight from Birmingham several times and if memory serves me right, I think the flight was about 3 hours, give or take half an hour.  It was the early stages of the holiday season so there would likely be quite a few flights daily.

It seems that various countries mainly fly in and out of Portugal on specific days of the week.  I think with the UK, Thursday and a w/e day (from memory) are the two days most flights go between the two countries.

Gunit, have you any idea what days the flights go connecting PT and Germany, please?

I was thinking more in terms of driving at high speed in a Jaguar motor vehicle.

Just Googled it "How long is the drive from Portugal to Germany? The total driving time is 20 hours, 57 minutes."  So when they say he changed the ownership of his car "the next day", has anyone defined the actual date for that happening?

What is the process of changing the ownership?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 23, 2020, 06:25:51 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 23, 2020, 12:16:39 AM
I think it was just an ordinary day for me and I am afraid that I cant remember what I was doing on the day of 9/11 although I certainly watched it avidly on TV.   I do know that I summed it up instantly and well and truly beat the commentators in saying that it was an Act of Aggression.


Look Davel, I think that very probably CB was involved in the abduction of Madeleine, but I don't know that, so at this stage, I must give him the benefit of the doubt.   

What I do very much doubt is that CB killed Madeleine, because:

-  I think that I have uncovered the person (Elite mastermind) behind the abduction of Madeleine and almost certainly other children - and,

-  I think that OG have listened and acted upon my very considerable findings

-  I discovered a place in another country, a very specific place no bigger than a football pitch that I believed Madeleine was probably be.   It was rumoured on forums that Madeleine was not recognisable any more because she was several years older and had lost her baby looks, so she was no longer being so hidden.   

I decided that in the early stages she would probably be a bit disguised and I knew exactly where I was looking, so I decided to look for masked galas, festivals etc in the particular place I had developed an interest in.   I was very lucky and very excited when on about the third internet Youtube video I tried, there she was.   As a figure drawer and portrait artist with 65 years experience at pretty high levels, I believe that it was Madeleine.  I suggested that OG get it checked out by one of the famous London Art Schools

-  And other little bits which I will not  share.



So the above reasons, Davel, make me believe that Madeleine was still alive in 2012, and it seems from the Crimewatch program that SY were certainly very interested, cos they showed at least two of my folders, maybe three.

ORLY?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 23, 2020, 06:27:02 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 23, 2020, 12:28:14 AM
Her mannerisms, gait, intellect (she was joint leader of a fair sized group dancing), body etc. all pointed to Kate and Gerry.  A tiny bit of hair showed and that appeared to be the same reddy brown colour that both Kate and Gerry had as children.   The only thing gone was the ready smile on her face; it was expressionless.   

Seems OG liked my massive hypothesis,  and the video, cos they showed my files on Crimewatch

Interestingly to me, this video has now been deleted, but others from the same event in other years still remain.  As you must all know by now, any reports/ images that get altered or deleted always interest me - cos I wonder
-  why? 
-  What were they showing before? 
-  Why were they deleted/altered ? 
-  What is being hidden ?

These are the reasons, along with others that I can't share, why I believe Madeleine was very much alive in 2012.

If so, it is unlikely that CB murdered her
No they didn't!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 23, 2020, 06:32:01 AM
Let's have more info on this mysterious disappearing YouTube video you saw, Sadie... then we can investigate to find if it's still there and put your theory to bed once and for all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 23, 2020, 09:01:59 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 22, 2020, 10:15:14 PM
probably, if you ask nicely.

OK  pretty please   8**8:/:
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 23, 2020, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: Myster on December 23, 2020, 06:32:01 AM
Let's have more info on this mysterious disappearing YouTube video you saw, Sadie... then we can investigate to find if it's still there and put your theory to bed once and for all.

I watched the video that Sadie is talking about.  No, I don't know where to look for it, but it did exist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 23, 2020, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2020, 09:01:59 AM
OK  pretty please   8**8:/:
What is it you want? Memory of a goldfish here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 23, 2020, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 23, 2020, 09:24:09 AM
What is it you want? Memory of a goldfish here.


 A cite for your statement that Brueckner was not in Germany on 4th May 2007

Note that I'm not saying he was in Gernmany, merely that I would like to see your evidence that supports your claim that  he wasn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 23, 2020, 10:16:26 AM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2020, 09:32:14 AM


 A cite for your statement that Brueckner was not in Germany on 4th May 2007

Note that I'm not saying he was in Gernmany, merely that I would like to see your evidence that supports your claim that  he wasn't.

Have a look at this...it looks like he got out quite sheepish

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393497/amp/How-Madeleine-suspect-slept-attic.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 23, 2020, 10:16:26 AM
Have a look at this...it looks like he got out quite sheepish

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393497/amp/How-Madeleine-suspect-slept-attic.html

That article didn't say he arrived in Germany on 4th May 2007 imo.

It did say that he lodged with a man at his house in Braunschweig. It also says the house was in Augsburg, near Munich; almost 600 km away. Typical confused journalism.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 23, 2020, 11:55:13 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 11:49:48 AM
That article didn't say he arrived in Germany on 4th May 2007 imo.

It did say that he lodged with a man at his house in Braunschweig. It also says the house was in Augsburg, near Munich; almost 600 km away. Typical confused journalism.

Which in my opinion is why it is important to separate the wheat from the chaff and I think Wolter's team will be quite adept at doing that.
Just a question of waiting to see ;)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 23, 2020, 11:55:13 AM
Which in my opinion is why it is important to separate the wheat from the chaff and I think Wolter's team will be quite adept at doing that.
Just a question of waiting to see ;)

That's what I'm trying to do. Not only does the article mislead, some seem to have misunderstood what it says.

"So according to this article CB fled Portugal the day after Maddie went missing...turned up at this man's house...asked him to the register his car... and always looked nervous... obviously all just a coincidence"
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11847.msg633239#msg633239
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 23, 2020, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 11:49:48 AM
That article didn't say he arrived in Germany on 4th May 2007 imo.

It did say that he lodged with a man at his house in Braunschweig. It also says the house was in Augsburg, near Munich; almost 600 km away. Typical confused journalism.

You were praising Brunt recently. Journalists just don't have the in depth knowledge of the case that some of here have.
They are more interested in a story than true facts. ..
I'm suspicious of Brunts claim of other suspects although when he mentioned the Euclides it's obvious his information was out of date. I think he just put that in because apart from that there was absolutely nothing new in his story
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 23, 2020, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2020, 09:32:14 AM


 A cite for your statement that Brueckner was not in Germany on 4th May 2007

Note that I'm not saying he was in Gernmany, merely that I would like to see your evidence that supports your claim that  he wasn't.
It's pretty simple.  If Bruckner re-registered his car in Germany on 4th May the police would know this important detail and he would not be a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Plus of course the German police have said they are certain he was involved and in PdL at the time which proves that they believe he was in Portugal at the time.  It's called "thinking logically".  You're welcome.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 23, 2020, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 12:05:42 PM
That's what I'm trying to do. Not only does the article mislead, some seem to have misunderstood what it says.

"So according to this article CB fled Portugal the day after Maddie went missing...turned up at this man's house...asked him to the register his car... and always looked nervous... obviously all just a coincidence"
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11847.msg633239#msg633239

I haven't misunderstood anything..you have.
When I  say.  According to this article...I'm not giving my understanding just repeating what the article says.

The article may not be 100% accurate but will have an element of truth. They are now quoting yet another witness who cannot be tarred with the criminal brush.....lots and lots of circumstancial evidence you wish to ignore
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 23, 2020, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 23, 2020, 12:21:46 PM
It's pretty simple.  If Bruckner re-registered his car in Germany on 4th May the police would know this important detail and he would not be a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Plus of course the German police have said they are certain he was involved and in PdL at the time which proves that they believe he was in Portugal at the time.  It's called "thinking logically".  You're welcome.

Ah so no cite, and police said nothing of the kind - just your opinion. Thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 23, 2020, 12:26:32 PM
I haven't misunderstood anything..you have.
When I  say.  According to this article...I'm not giving my understanding just repeating what the article says.

The article may not be 100% accurate but will have an element of truth. They are now quoting yet another witness who cannot be tarred with the criminal brush.....lots and lots of circumstancial evidence you wish to ignore

snip/

"So according to this article CB fled Portugal the day after Maddie went missing"

It doesn't say that in the article imo. Please copy and paste the bit where it says that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 23, 2020, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 12:32:25 PM
snip/

"So according to this article CB fled Portugal the day after Maddie went missing"

It doesn't say that in the article imo. Please copy and paste the bit where it says that.
No it says shortly after...which as I've said fits the abduction theory far better
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 23, 2020, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2020, 12:27:51 PM
Ah so no cite, and police said nothing of the kind - just your opinion. Thanks.

Same as it ever was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 23, 2020, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 12:05:42 PM
That's what I'm trying to do. Not only does the article mislead, some seem to have misunderstood what it says.

"So according to this article CB fled Portugal the day after Maddie went missing...turned up at this man's house...asked him to the register his car... and always looked nervous... obviously all just a coincidence"
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11847.msg633239#msg633239

Thank you for your efforts in 'educating' members in how to interpret a newspaper article even if it does come over to me as patronising.

I consider myself perfectly capable of being able to perform the task of interpreting information and false news adequately ... in conjunction with many other recognised information sources I think I have built a fair idea of what has been going on for the past few years featuring Brueckner as either the leading man, the stagehand or the guy of no interest in this instance except to himself or the police; and the difficulties being faced by investigators as they strive to find which he is.

Why Madeleine?

Good question.

The answer to which I think may become apparent if, or more likely when the Germans are ready to make their case, and I don't think we are going to have too long to wait for that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 23, 2020, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 23, 2020, 12:39:33 PM
Thank you for your efforts in 'educating' members in how to interpret a newspaper article even if it does come over to me as patronising.

I consider myself perfectly capable of being able to perform the task of interpreting information and false news adequately ... in conjunction with many other recognised information sources I think I have built a fair idea of what has been going on for the past few years featuring Brueckner as either the leading man, the stagehand or the guy of no interest in this instance except to himself or the police; and the difficulties being faced by investigators as they strive to find which he is.

Why Madeleine?

Good question.

The answer to which I think may become apparent if, or more likely when the Germans are ready to make their case, and I don't think we are going to have too long to wait for that.

Would you like to give your estimate of  time scale?

I mean are you talking a week or two, a month or two, a year or two ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 23, 2020, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2020, 12:46:02 PM
Would you like to give your estimate of  time scale?

I mean are you talking a week or two, a month or two, a year or two ?


Twelfth of never.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 23, 2020, 01:12:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 23, 2020, 01:10:30 PM

Twelfth of never.

And that’s a long, long time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 23, 2020, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 23, 2020, 01:12:04 PM
And that’s a long, long time.

 8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 01:15:18 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 23, 2020, 12:39:33 PM
Thank you for your efforts in 'educating' members in how to interpret a newspaper article even if it does come over to me as patronising.

I consider myself perfectly capable of being able to perform the task of interpreting information and false news adequately ... in conjunction with many other recognised information sources I think I have built a fair idea of what has been going on for the past few years featuring Brueckner as either the leading man, the stagehand or the guy of no interest in this instance except to himself or the police; and the difficulties being faced by investigators as they strive to find which he is.

Why Madeleine?

Good question.

The answer to which I think may become apparent if, or more likely when the Germans are ready to make their case, and I don't think we are going to have too long to wait for that.

I'm not trying to educate anyone and interpretation has nothing to do with it. Accuracy is my concern. The article did not say Bruekner fled Portugal the day after Madeleine went missing as a member claimed. The member has now acknowledged his mistake, so your intervention wasn't required.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 23, 2020, 01:16:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2020, 12:27:51 PM
Ah so no cite, and police said nothing of the kind - just your opinion. Thanks.
So in your opinion when the police said that he made a phonecall from the vicinity of PdL on the evening of 3rd May (which they have said, or are you claiming they never said that either) that they didn't mean PdL in Portugal but could have meant PdL in Germany?

LOL.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 23, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 23, 2020, 12:39:18 PM
Same as it ever was.
^^Another person who is hard of thinking.^^
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 23, 2020, 01:16:28 PM
So in your opinion when the police said that he made a phonecall from the vicinity of PdL on the evening of 3rd May (which they have said, or are you claiming they never said that either) that they didn't mean PdL in Portugal but could have meant PdL in Germany?

LOL.

By "made a phonecall" do you mean "received a phonecall"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 23, 2020, 01:29:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 23, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
By "made a phonecall" do you mean "received a phonecall"?
yes, my mistake.  It doesn't change my point though which I shall re-write:

So in your opinion when the police said that he received a phonecall from the vicinity of PdL on the evening of 3rd May (which they have said, or are you claiming they never said that either) that they didn't mean PdL in Portugal but could have meant PdL in Germany?

LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 23, 2020, 01:58:55 PM


He must have made/received other phone calls around May 3rd but they haven't been mentioned.

If he carried out a pre-planned abduction & sold Maddie to Mister Big I would expect a lot more phone activity than one half hour call.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 23, 2020, 02:04:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 23, 2020, 01:58:55 PM

He must have made/received other phone calls around May 3rd but they haven't been mentioned.

If he carried out a pre-planned abduction & sold Maddie to Mister Big I would expect a lot more phone activity than one half hour call.

Wasn’t there football being played that night ? I know lots of men who could spend half an hour droning on about football.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 23, 2020, 02:07:11 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 23, 2020, 02:04:33 PM
Wasn’t there football being played that night ? I know lots of men who could spend half an hour droning on about football.

Then he would have no problem explaining that to the police and who he spoke to...seems like once the questioning starts he'll have it cleared up in no time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 23, 2020, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 23, 2020, 01:58:55 PM

He must have made/received other phone calls around May 3rd but they haven't been mentioned.

If he carried out a pre-planned abduction & sold Maddie to Mister Big I would expect a lot more phone activity than one half hour call.
is this something you're familiar with then, buying and selling children on the black market?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 23, 2020, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 23, 2020, 02:08:36 PM
is this something you're familiar with then, buying and selling children on the black market?

It's best to get them from Africa. they are much cheaper there.

Or just grab a street kid in Brazil, that's what I do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 23, 2020, 02:13:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 23, 2020, 02:11:47 PM
It's best to get them from Africa. they are much cheaper there.

Or just grab a street kid in Brazil, that's what I do.
But you being a racist, I'd have thought only good Aryan stock would do for you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 23, 2020, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 23, 2020, 02:13:06 PM
But you being a racist, I'd have thought only good Aryan stock would do for you?

Maybe Brueckner is a racist paedophile & that's why he chose a white kid.

That's another charge to add to his rap sheet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 23, 2020, 02:17:48 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 23, 2020, 02:16:10 PM
Maybe Brueckner is a racist paedophile & that's why he chose a white kid.

That's another charge to add to his rap sheet.
And another reason for you to love him even more than you already do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 23, 2020, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 23, 2020, 02:11:47 PM
It's best to get them from Africa. they are much cheaper there.

Or just grab a street kid in Brazil, that's what I do.
What a brutal and careless thing to say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 23, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 23, 2020, 04:46:54 PM
What a brutal and careless thing to say.

Pay no attention, Anthro.  Spammy doesn't mean it and is just trying to shock us all with puerile remarks from a puerile brain.

I'll Delete the next half a dozen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 23, 2020, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 23, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
Pay no attention, Anthro.  Spammy doesn't mean it and is just trying to shock us all with puerile remarks from a puerile brain.

I'll Delete the next half a dozen.
Thanks, Eleanor. I will try. It has been said that anonymity on the internet is the cloak of the coward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 23, 2020, 06:01:22 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 23, 2020, 05:12:20 PM
Thanks, Eleanor. I will try. It has been said that anonymity on the internet is the cloak of the coward.

 @)(++(* So speaks a pseudonym
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 23, 2020, 06:02:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2020, 06:01:22 PM
@)(++(* So speaks a pseudonym

Who me sir?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 23, 2020, 06:06:33 PM
Indeed, we all use pseudonyms .
IMO it is foolish not to on any sort of social media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 23, 2020, 06:11:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2020, 06:06:33 PM
Indeed, we all use pseudonyms .
IMO it is foolish not to on any sort of social media.

I don't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 23, 2020, 07:08:38 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2020, 06:01:22 PM
@)(++(* So speaks a pseudonym
You are uninformed. Platforms such as Facebook, Twitter and Instagram more often than not, contain full names and backgrounds of subscribers. Pseudonym or real identity are of no consequence since people participate on a platform, shielded by no interpersonal and direct contact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 23, 2020, 07:11:53 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 23, 2020, 07:08:38 PM
You are uninformed. Platforms such as Facebook, Twitter and Instagram more often than not, contain full names and backgrounds of subscribers. Pseudonym or real identity are of no consequence since people participate on a platform, shielded by no interpersonal and direct contact.

So is your name Anthro?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 23, 2020, 07:41:14 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 23, 2020, 07:11:53 PM
So is your name Anthro?
Yes. And yours is faithlilly?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 23, 2020, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2020, 12:46:02 PM
Would you like to give your estimate of  time scale?

I mean are you talking a week or two, a month or two, a year or two ?

I don't have a timescale.  I'm leaving that to the investigators who know what they are doing with the evidence they have told us they have gathered. As far as I know they have at least seven years leeway to be going on with things, but I don't think it will take them anything like that.

Whichever way it goes it will be a positive result ... will you be content with that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 23, 2020, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 23, 2020, 07:41:14 PM
Yes. And yours is faithlilly?

Of course not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 23, 2020, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 23, 2020, 08:29:30 PM
I don't have a timescale.  I'm leaving that to the investigators who know what they are doing with the evidence they have told us they have gathered. As far as I know they have at least seven years leeway to be going on with things, but I don't think it will take them anything like that.

Whichever way it goes it will be a positive result ... will you be content with that?

Oh yes, only by interviewing him can they hope to resolve the issue
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 23, 2020, 09:54:13 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 23, 2020, 06:25:51 AM
ORLY?

yes, really
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 23, 2020, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 23, 2020, 06:27:02 AM
No they didn't!

Oh yes they did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 23, 2020, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 23, 2020, 06:32:01 AM
Let's have more info on this mysterious disappearing YouTube video you saw, Sadie... then we can investigate to find if it's still there and put your theory to bed once and for all.

I wish I could share it Myster, but I think that would be undermining the investigation by OG
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 23, 2020, 09:58:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 23, 2020, 09:04:48 AM
I watched the video that Sadie is talking about.  No, I don't know where to look for it, but it did exist.
Thank you Elli
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 23, 2020, 10:02:39 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 23, 2020, 09:58:04 PM
Thank you Elli

Sorry Sadie but I don't think HCW would be telling the McCanns Maddie was murdered unless he was sure. Cressida Dick said SY are working really really closely with the Germans
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 23, 2020, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 23, 2020, 10:02:39 PM
Sorry Sadie but I don't think HCW would be telling the McCanns Maddie was murdered unless he was sure. Cressida Dick said SY are working very very closely with the Germans

I thought that The Mccanns said that they hadn't heard from HCW, despite claims that the Germans had informed them?

Does it not worry you that neither SY, nor The Mccanns, agree with HCW and the German Police, about
Madeleine being dead?  It seems to me that they have great reservations about agreeing with the Germans that Madeleine is no longer with us in the World.   

Could it be the video that I think showed Madeleine in an exact place worked out in a detailed analysis, has influenced their thoughts ?   There were a number of real life pointers to this place … and I was surprised and delighted when psychic Matt James had runes that suddenly clicked into place confirming where she was.   I had puzzled over these runes and others for a considerable period, then suddenly I realised what they meant.  It pointed to the place where this video was filmed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 23, 2020, 10:26:48 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 23, 2020, 10:21:21 PM
I thought that The Mccanns said that they hadn't heard from HCW, despite claims that they had been informed.

Does it not worry you that neither SY, nor The Mccanns, agree with HCW and the German Police, about
Madeleine being dead?  It seems to me that they have great reservations about agreeing with the Germans that Madeleine is no longer with us in the World.   

Could it be the video that I think showed Madeleine in an exact place worked out in a detailed analysis, has influenced their thoughts ?   There were a number of real life pointers to this place … and I was surprised and delighted when psychic Matt James had runes that suddenly clicked into place confirming where she was.   I had puzzled over these runes and others for a considerable period, then suddenly I realised what they meant.  It pointed to the place where this video was filmed.
The reason that SY are treating it as a missing person is because the Germans haven't shared their evidence...
Again HCW sent a letter via SY to the McCanns
Once you start talking of psychics and runes I find it even less believable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 23, 2020, 11:11:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 23, 2020, 10:26:48 PM
The reason that SY are treating it as a missing person is because the Germans haven't shared their evidence...
Again HCW sent a letter via SY to the McCanns
Once you start talking of psychics and runes I find it even less believable

That's fine, I used to feel the same way

However SY went back to Matt James, according to his blog.  Presumably to check it out.



Matt also mentioned Fatima in Lesotho, IIRC.  Maybe Kate and Gerry visited the wrong Fatima?  Fatima, Lesotho used to show on G Earth, but last time I looked it had vanished.  Seems it is somewhere near the Drackensburg Mountains somewhere about 30 miles E.N.E. of Lesotho capital city Maseru.

I think that Brian Ladds Dreams might also have mentioned Lesotho.  Anthro will probably know If I am remembering Lesotho correctly re Brians Dreams.   I seem to have unearthed some Madeleine links there, but in this particular case I can't be sure that I am right
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 24, 2020, 05:52:27 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 23, 2020, 09:57:06 PM
I wish I could share it Myster, but I think that would be undermining the investigation by OG
I think OG have passed their tired old unproductive baton over to an invigorated BKA in the last leg of the McCann race.

Not even one teensy-weensy clue... such as the name of this festival and the date it took place?    No-one's spying on us you know, not even your Mr. Big!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 24, 2020, 05:58:49 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 23, 2020, 09:04:48 AM
I watched the video that Sadie is talking about.  No, I don't know where to look for it, but it did exist.
Yes, fair dinkum... but was Madeleine in it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 24, 2020, 06:21:53 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 23, 2020, 09:55:13 PM
Oh yes they did.
Pantomimes are cancelled this year, don'tcha know!

Blue of whatever shade is the in-house graphic design livery of the British Police Force and always has been since the days of Dixon of Dock Green (although that was in black and white, before anyone could afford a colour telly).  So OG must have pored through thousands of bluish files and folders, not just your own, and they wouldn't have said to themselves - "Our chief informant will be watching this programme, so we'd better include a couple of hers, otherwise we'll get an awful earful!".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 24, 2020, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: Myster on December 24, 2020, 06:21:53 AM
Pantomimes are cancelled this year, don'tcha know!

Blue of whatever shade is the in-house graphic design livery of the British Police Force and always has been since the days of Dixon of Dock Green (although that was in black and white, before anyone could afford a colour telly).  So OG must have pored through thousands of bluish files and folders, not just your own, and they wouldn't have said to themselves - "Our chief informant will be watching this programme, so we'd better include a couple of hers, otherwise we'll get an awful earful!".

No the files were all Lavender colours, not blue, my dear.   The colour has now been changed on the internet, from purply lavender shades to blue.   I wonder who did that ?   I wonder why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2020, 11:40:03 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 24, 2020, 11:37:29 AM
No the files were all Lavender colours, not blue, my dear.   The colour has now been changed on the internet, from purply lavender shades to blue.   I wonder who did that ?   I wonder why?

I'm sorry Sadie but I think your trust in Brian Ladd is misplaced. How can you have any confidence in someone who claims he can give you the winning lottery numbers for 500 dollars...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 24, 2020, 11:37:29 AM
No the files were all Lavender colours, not blue, my dear.   The colour has now been changed on the internet, from purply lavender shades to blue.   I wonder who did that ?   I wonder why?

Unless, of course, you were mistaken when you thought you saw your files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 12:37:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 11:47:29 AM
Unless, of course, you were mistaken when you thought you saw your files.

I have seen Sadie's Files in person and I don't think she was mistaken.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 12:37:30 PM
I have seen Sadie's Files in person and I don't think she was mistaken.

Did you see them on TV?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 01:05:05 PM
Did you see them on TV?

Yes, I did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 24, 2020, 01:54:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 01:36:16 PM
Yes, I did.
Eleanor, the programme in question was all about OG and Redwood shifting focus from Tannerman onto Smithman and absolutely nothing to do with any of Sadie's theories.  So why on earth does she think that her folders/files had some special significance and important enough to be the centre of attraction in a TV show.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 24, 2020, 01:54:25 PM
Eleanor, the programme in question was all about OG and Redwood shifting focus from Tannerman onto Smithman and absolutely nothing to do with any of Sadie's theories.  So why on earth does she think that her folders/files had some special significance and important enough to be the centre of attraction in a TV show.

And why do you have to mock someone who has at least tried, so very much more than you have.

I had assumed that you are a nice man.  I really don't want to give up on that assumption.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 24, 2020, 02:37:17 PM
I see no mockery in Myster's post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 24, 2020, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 02:04:50 PM
And why do you have to mock someone who has at least tried, so very much more than you have.

I had assumed that you are a nice man.  I really don't want to give up on that assumption.

Do you hold others in such high esteem, likes of Bennett and co who also have tried.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2020, 03:13:38 PM
The problem with sadies theory is that it contradicts HCW and also Cressida Dick who has said SY are working really really closely with the Germans...Sadie dosnt seem to accept that. i
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 03:46:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 24, 2020, 02:37:17 PM
I see no mockery in Myster's post.

Then you are lacking in emotion.  I don't believe that Myster Is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 24, 2020, 02:43:10 PM
Do you hold others in such high esteem, likes of Bennett and co who also have tried.

I don't even know what you are talking about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 24, 2020, 03:13:38 PM
The problem with sadies theory is that it contradicts HCW and also Cressida Dick who has said SY are working really really closely with the Germans...Sadie dosnt seem to accept that. i

But Sadie does not deserve to be mocked.

I am disgusted by what this Forum has tried to do to her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 24, 2020, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 03:50:31 PM
But Sadie does not deserve to be mocked.

I am disgusted by what this Forum has tried to do to her.

Why not ?  Or are you saying no one should be mocked ?  Is that one of the rules?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 24, 2020, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 24, 2020, 03:55:34 PM
Why not ?  Or are you saying no one should be mocked ?  Is that one of the rules?
Is it ok to mock you?  Asking for a friend...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 24, 2020, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 24, 2020, 04:03:09 PM
Is it ok to mock you?  Asking for a friend...

If it's within the rules, why not? I'm no shrinking violet or mentally fragile.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 24, 2020, 03:55:34 PM
Why not ?  Or are you saying no one should be mocked ?  Is that one of the rules?

You seriously wouldn't want to be mocked by me, so don't tempt me.  But then I am much too kind..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 24, 2020, 04:06:56 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 24, 2020, 04:05:03 PM
If it's within the rules, why not? I'm no shrinking violet or mentally fragile.
Doesn’t abuse cover mocking others?  Apparently it’s not tolerated here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:11:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 24, 2020, 04:05:03 PM
If it's within the rules, why not? I'm no shrinking violet or mentally fragile.

It is not within The Rules.  Unless you can give me a Cite.

And it was none of your business in the first place.

As it happens, I can't find a single original that has ever been expressed by you.  Perhaps you can.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 24, 2020, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 24, 2020, 04:06:56 PM
Doesn’t abuse cover mocking others?  Apparently it’s not tolerated here.

Well there you are then . I expect to see this rule evenly applied throughout.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 03:50:31 PM
But Sadie does not deserve to be mocked.

I am disgusted by what this Forum has tried to do to her.

In my opinion Rob has had his ideas questioned just as much as Sadie has.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 24, 2020, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:11:23 PM
It is not within The Rules.  Unless you can give me a Cite.

And it was none of your business in the first place.

As it happens, I can't find a single original that has ever been expressed by you.  Perhaps you can.

If you upped your level of comprehension, you'd realise that I didn't say it was within the rules.
I'm entitled to post on what I like without permission from you and will continue to do so.

Originality is not a pre-requisite of this forum otherwise there would be very few supporters posting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 24, 2020, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 24, 2020, 03:13:38 PM
The problem with sadies theory is that it contradicts HCW and also Cressida Dick who has said SY are working really really closely with the Germans...Sadie dosnt seem to accept that. i

Oooo, you are wrong Davel.  I have never claimed to know who 'dunit' in PdL.   What I do believe is that I have unearthed the elite brains behind it …. and they may have employed Bruckner to do the actual abduction.   Likewise they may have employed Hewlett to carry Madeleine across to Morocco amongst his kids, who I think were fair haired..   Hidden in plain sight is/was a favourite saying of these people.
And , of course, SY will be working closely with the German Police to fill in the gaps, if Bruckner is involved

Like with Bruckner, we seems to have pointers so, to a lesser extent, we seem to have pointers towards Hewlett.


But I cant be sure.  Enough to pass it on to OG tho'  and whether  Myster likes it or not, the it WAS shown on the Madeleine Crimewatch program.  Blown up on the big screen TV, I could see my scrawly writing and my unusual black edged punch pockets.   When I looked again at it later, my writing had been blanked out.  The writing, never copyplate(!) was particularly scrawly because I had uneven piles of paper on my desk and I was doing the writing on top of this pile.  I needed more space.

Anyway, none of you believe me and that is fine, if that's what you want.

I hope that when I am dead and gone, if some of the periferal things come up, that at least some of you will stand up and say "Hmmm, that's what sadie said.  Maybe she was right, after all ?".

Tbh, I deserve the MBE for the effort I made over 4 years, along with the rudeness I have put up with.  And the multiple threats I have received

Me, I don't need any acclaim or awards, but after I am gone, if I am right, I would like something tangible for my family to hold on to.   And I am not talking money here.  They have put up with an awful lot of stuff because of the abnormal dedication I have given to it and it has cost us several thousand pounds.  It will be worth it if it brings Madeleine back and/or saves other children a similar fate.


I have gone on a bit here.  Soz   8**8:/:
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2020, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 24, 2020, 04:19:11 PM
Oooo, you are wrong Davel.  I have never claimed to know who 'dunit' in PdL.   What I do believe is that I have unearthed the elite brains behind it …. and they may have employed Bruckner to do the actual abduction.   Likewise they may have employed Hewlett to carry Madeleine across to Morocco amongst his kids, who I think were fair haired..   Hidden in plain sight is/was a favourite saying of these people.
And , of course, SY will be working closely with the German Police to fill in the gaps, if Bruckner is involved

Like with Bruckner, we seems to have pointers so, to a lesser extent, we seem to have pointers towards Hewlett.


But I cant be sure.  Enough to pass it on to OG tho'  and whether  Myster likes it or not, the it WAS shown on the Madeleine Crimewatch program.  Blown up on the big screen TV, I could see my scrawly writing and my unusual black edged punch pockets.   When I looked again at it later, my writing had been blanked out.  The writing, never copyplate(!) was particularly scrawly because I had uneven piles of paper on my desk and I was doing the writing on top of this pile.  I needed more space.

Anyway, none of you believe me and that is fine, if that's what you want.

I hope that when I am dead and gone, if some of the periferal things come up, that at least some of you will stand up and say "Hmmm, that's what sadie said.  Maybe she was right, after all ?".

Tbh, I deserve the MBE for the effort I made over 4 years, along with the rudeness I have put up with.  And the multiple threats I have received

Me, I don't need any acclaim or awards, but after I am gone, if I am right, I would like something tangible for my family to hold on to.   And I am not talking money here.  They have put up with an awful lot of stuff because of the abnormal dedication I have given to it and it has cost us several thousand pounds.  It will be worth it if it brings Madeleine back and/or saves other children a similar fate.


I have gone on a bit here.  Soz   8**8:/:
HCW has said Maddie dead...murdered by CB...SY have said they are working really really close with them...how does that fit with your theory
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 24, 2020, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:05:12 PM
You seriously wouldn't want to be mocked by me, so don't tempt me.  But then I am much too kind..

It's only words and words are all you have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:35:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 04:14:42 PM
In my opinion Rob has had his ideas questioned just as much as Sadie has.

Rob is a Moderator, as are you.  And I think you should both be ashamed of how you attack other Members, sometimes in unison of late.

There is absolutely no doubt that Sadie's Comments have frequently been Deleted for no good reason.  But this isn't going to happen anymore.

I know who I am.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 24, 2020, 04:17:22 PM
If you upped your level of comprehension, you'd realise that I didn't say it was within the rules.
I'm entitled to post on what I like without permission from you and will continue to do so.

Originality is not a pre-requisite of this forum otherwise there would be very few supporters posting.

Don't I ever know it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 24, 2020, 04:39:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 02:04:50 PM
And why do you have to mock someone who has at least tried, so very much more than you have.

I had assumed that you are a nice man.  I really don't want to give up on that assumption.
Eleanor, I'm not "mocking" Sadie if you think that the definition is ridiculing her in a cruel way.  I stated in my post what I and others saw on the Crimewatch programme - a few blue-coloured folders, of which OG must have thousands, positioned for visual effect, not because they belonged to Sadie or had anything to do with her theory.  Of course, she's entitled to her opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine... but I think she's wrong and that the investigation has moved much further along in the BKA's hands than it ever has in OG's.

Another thing... If you and Sadie think that Madeleine is alive and definitely being monitored closely by OG, why are they taking so long to pounce and arrest those responsible... the McCanns can't wait forever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:41:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 24, 2020, 04:35:04 PM
It's only words and words are all you have.

That is the point if you did but know it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 24, 2020, 04:45:34 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 24, 2020, 04:39:25 PM
Eleanor, I'm not "mocking" Sadie if you think that the definition is ridiculing her in a cruel way.  I stated in my post what I and others saw on the Crimewatch programme - a few blue-coloured folders, of which OG must have thousands, positioned for visual effect, not because they belonged to Sadie or had anything to do with her theory.  Of course, she's entitled to her opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine... but I think she's wrong and that the investigation has moved much further along in the BKA's hands than it ever has in OG's.

Another thing... If you and Sadie think that Madeleine is alive and definitely being monitored closely by OG, why are they taking so long to pounce and arrest those responsible... the McCanns can't wait forever.

I think you'll find they can. Indeed they are powerless to do anything else - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:54:40 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 24, 2020, 04:39:25 PM
Eleanor, I'm not "mocking" Sadie if you think that the definition is ridiculing her in a cruel way.  I stated in my post what I and others saw on the Crimewatch programme - a few blue-coloured folders, of which OG must have thousands, positioned for visual effect, not because they belonged to Sadie or had anything to do with her theory.  Of course, she's entitled to her opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine... but I think she's wrong and that the investigation has moved much further along in the BKA's hands than it ever has in OG's.

Another thing... If you and Sadie think that Madeleine is alive and definitely being monitored closely by OG, why are they taking so long to pounce and arrest those responsible... the McCanns can't wait forever.

Thank you for your reply.  But you could have been a bit more kind.

You as a Senior Moderator never do anything to control this rabble, no matter what you think.  So I find your criticism of Sadie hypocritical.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 24, 2020, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 24, 2020, 04:31:28 PM
HCW has said Maddie dead...murdered by CB...SY have said they are working really really close with them...how does that fit with your theory

I am going to leave it there Davel. 

I know how you feel and have mentioned it earlier that he might have received incorrect info from a senior Police officer, which he believed.  We have all seen what occasionally happens when an odd ball over zealous senior officer gets it into his head that he has to convict someone !

If it is the case that HCW has fallen for the over zealous spoutings of a very senior Police Officer, then he is in an unenviable position.  He will not want to lose face, and as a young professional will not want to undermine a very senior Police Officer either.   I must make it clear that I do not know if this is the case.  These are just thoughts and may be wrong..

I am going to leave it here Davel

Have a very Happy Christmas   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 24, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:54:40 PM
Thank you for your reply.  But you could have been a bit more kind.

You as a Senior Moderator never do anything to control this rabble, no matter what you think.  So I find your criticism of Sadie hypocritical.

Would this be the 'Rabble without a cause'  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 24, 2020, 05:04:25 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 24, 2020, 04:39:25 PM
Eleanor, I'm not "mocking" Sadie if you think that the definition is ridiculing her in a cruel way.  I stated in my post what I and others saw on the Crimewatch programme - a few blue-coloured folders, of which OG must have thousands, positioned for visual effect, not because they belonged to Sadie or had anything to do with her theory.  Of course, she's entitled to her opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine... but I think she's wrong and that the investigation has moved much further along in the BKA's hands than it ever has in OG's.

Another thing... If you and Sadie think that Madeleine is alive and definitely being monitored closely by OG, why are they taking so long to pounce and arrest those responsible... the McCanns can't wait forever.

Myster.  You have been looking at one of the copies of The Crimewatch Program.  The colours have been altered from the original.

I believe these people who 'like' children in the wrong way are called Lavenders.   I told this to SY and added that because of this any folders I send in will be lavender/purple coloured.

By internet interference, these folders are now coloured turquoise, blue etc on various copies of the Crimewatch Videos.  Just another form of cheating!

Anyway, have a lovely Christmas




Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 24, 2020, 05:13:49 PM
Thank you Elli for your support.

You are the only one to have seen some of the stuff I showed you … and that is a minute portion of other facts, coincidences etc that I have gathered.

There are so many papers, pictures and documents that no way could I bring it all over …. and in any case I think I was putting you to sleep with so much talk.  Sorry about that.


Have a lovely Christmas.  Don't work too hard.  May Santa be good to you.

sadie x
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 24, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
Would this be the 'Rabble without a cause'  8(0(*

Nooo.  I love you all.  It just gets a bit difficult at times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 24, 2020, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:54:40 PM
Thank you for your reply.  But you could have been a bit more kind.

You as a Senior Moderator never do anything to control this rabble, no matter what you think.  So I find your criticism of Sadie hypocritical.
The McCann board isn't my dwelling place of choice, having strayed here from other cases no longer active. Nor did I volunteer to become a moderator, let alone a senior one, but was appointed because no-one else wanted the job. So if anyone wants such a thankless task then they're free to apply to admin to replace me. Besides, I find it so wearing to read the same old sceptic garbage day in, day out and would much prefer to devote more time to my life offline.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 24, 2020, 05:31:24 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 24, 2020, 05:04:25 PM
Myster.  You have been looking at one of the copies of The Crimewatch Program.  The colours have been altered from the original.

I believe these people who 'like' children in the wrong way are called Lavenders.   I told this to SY and added that because of this any folders I send in will be lavender/purple coloured.

By internet interference, these folders are now coloured turquoise, blue etc on various copies of the Crimewatch Videos.  Just another form of cheating!

Anyway, have a lovely Christmas
Not deliberately.  And the same to you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 24, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 04:35:28 PM
Rob is a Moderator, as are you.  And I think you should both be ashamed of how you attack other Members, sometimes in unison of late.

There is absolutely no doubt that Sadie's Comments have frequently been Deleted for no good reason.  But this isn't going to happen anymore.

I know who I am.

Not fair and you know it. G has tried her best to be fair but her treatment by certain posters, aided and abetted by certain mods, has been nothing short of bullying. Are you all hoping she gives up as other mods have done and leaves the forum for you to run as your own fiefdom ? If so I think you’ve underestimated G.

Sadie has had her posts deleted because she serially accuses those who do not believe the parent’s narrative of absolutely ridiculous things. She is no shrinking violet and I think you are doing her a disservice by pretending that she is. She is entitled to her opinion and she gives it freely...she must know that it will be challenged but posts anyway.


I think certain mods are taking advantage of certain situations to favour certain posters and until that stops we will see further chaos on the forum of the kind that we have recently. This is not a nice place to be at the moment but it’s certainly not sceptics who are making it that way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 24, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
Not fair and you know it. G has tried her best to be fair but her treatment by certain posters, aided and abetted by certain mods, has been nothing short of bullying. Are you all hoping she gives up as other mods have done and leaves the forum for you to run as your own fiefdom ? If so I think you’ve underestimated G.

Sadie has had her posts deleted because she serially accuses those who do not believe the parent’s narrative of absolutely ridiculous things. She is no shrinking violet and I think you are doing her a disservice by pretending that she is. She is entitled to her opinion and she gives it freely...she must know that it will be challenged but posts anyway.


I think certain mods are taking advantage of certain situations to favour certain posters and until that stops we will see further chaos on the forum of the kind that we have recently. This is not a nice place to be at the moment but it’s certainly not sceptics who are making it that way.

You see to have a very short memory of when I was being abused.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 24, 2020, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 06:04:55 PM
You see to have a very short memory of when I was being abused.

Didn’t I stand up for you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 24, 2020, 07:13:00 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 24, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
Not fair and you know it. G has tried her best to be fair but her treatment by certain posters, aided and abetted by certain mods, has been nothing short of bullying. Are you all hoping she gives up as other mods have done and leaves the forum for you to run as your own fiefdom ? If so I think you’ve underestimated G.

Sadie has had her posts deleted because she serially accuses those who do not believe the parent’s narrative of absolutely ridiculous things. She is no shrinking violet and I think you are doing her a disservice by pretending that she is. She is entitled to her opinion and she gives it freely...she must know that it will be challenged but posts anyway.


I think certain mods are taking advantage of certain situations to favour certain posters and until that stops we will see further chaos on the forum of the kind that we have recently. This is not a nice place to be at the moment but it’s certainly not sceptics who are making it that way.
IMO G-Unit constantly goads, beliitles and gangs up with you and others agsinst Davel so please don’t make out she’s some sort of forum saint.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 24, 2020, 06:35:20 PM
Didn’t I stand up for you?

I don't know.  I was that shocked that I can't remember.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2020, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 24, 2020, 07:13:00 PM
IMO G-Unit constantly goads, beliitles and gangs up with you and others agsinst Davel so please don’t make out she’s some sort of forum saint.

I must say I have noticed that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 24, 2020, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 07:25:34 PM
I don't know.  I was that shocked that I can't remember.

I think I did...after apologising for my behaviour to you in the past.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2020, 07:51:23 PM
Contrary to what faith has said I don't think we should really need moderating on this forum....so starting now to say ...after Christmas Day let's see if we can all post without goading, sniping or insulting. It really is easy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 24, 2020, 08:04:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 24, 2020, 07:25:34 PM
I don't know.  I was that shocked that I can't remember.

I am fascinated by the lies and untruths that are required to sustain the sceptic argument but not nearly as much as the defence of a vicious rapist and disgusting paedophile is now featuring particularly in regard to safeguarding his human rights.

I cannot equate that attitude with the failure to recognise that the blatant disregard for Madeleine and her parent's human rights for thirteen+ years which has been promoted by many members here and elsewhere is - in my opinion - an extraordinarily inexplicable phenomenon which smacks of extreme hypocrisy.

From my reading of the situation ~ investigators have been following someone with an almost identical profile to Brueckner's for many years ~ and have been actively gathering evidence which points to his involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

Another hypocrisy is I think the disregard of evidence which does not suit if it concerns Brueckner with the adoption of zero evidence believed if the lie is directed at the McCanns.  Totally illogical and if there is any mystery associated with Madeleine's case ... in my opinion, look no further than that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 24, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
Not fair and you know it. G has tried her best to be fair but her treatment by certain posters, aided and abetted by certain mods, has been nothing short of bullying. Are you all hoping she gives up as other mods have done and leaves the forum for you to run as your own fiefdom ? If so I think you’ve underestimated G.

Sadie has had her posts deleted because she serially accuses those who do not believe the parent’s narrative of absolutely ridiculous things. She is no shrinking violet and I think you are doing her a disservice by pretending that she is. She is entitled to her opinion and she gives it freely...she must know that it will be challenged but posts anyway.


I think certain mods are taking advantage of certain situations to favour certain posters and until that stops we will see further chaos on the forum of the kind that we have recently. This is not a nice place to be at the moment but it’s certainly not sceptics who are making it that way.

Thank you Faithlilly. I've never sought to be popular, which is lucky as I seem to be upsetting certain members and moderators. I see no reason to change or to run away, however, no matter how much pressure they try to exert. Public criticism is a sign of desperation in my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 24, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 24, 2020, 07:51:23 PM
Contrary to what faith has said I don't think we should really need moderating on this forum....so starting now to say ...after Christmas Day let's see if we can all post without goading, sniping or insulting. It really is easy.

Absolutely brilliant idea, Davel.

Forum protocols are in fact so relaxed and such common sense that any sentient adult shouldn't have a problem with what is in effect just conducting themselves with politeness and good manners.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2020, 08:14:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 08:10:59 PM
Thank you Faithlilly. I've never sought to be popular, which is lucky as I seem to be upsetting certain members and moderators. I see no reason to change or to run away, however, no matter how much pressure they try to exert. Public criticism is a sign of desperation in my opinion.
A sniping post..imo. It's a shame posters simply can't discuss the case and leave out personal criticisms...why is that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 08:37:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 24, 2020, 08:14:37 PM
A sniping post..imo. It's a shame posters simply can't discuss the case and leave out personal criticisms...why is that.

If people choose to discuss me publicly I reserve the right of reply.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2020, 08:40:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 08:37:04 PM
If people choose to discuss me publicly I reserve the right of reply.

I think it was faith who discussed you publicly ..your right to reply is like..an eye for an eye...it's never ending ...could we take a step back as I suggested and stop the sniping
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 24, 2020, 08:43:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 08:10:59 PM
Thank you Faithlilly. I've never sought to be popular, which is lucky as I seem to be upsetting certain members and moderators. I see no reason to change or to run away, however, no matter how much pressure they try to exert. Public criticism is a sign of desperation in my opinion.
If public criticism is a sign of desperation then sceptics who constantly criticise the McCanns must be incredibly desperate people indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 09:07:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 24, 2020, 08:40:33 PM
I think it was faith who discussed you publicly ..your right to reply is like..an eye for an eye...it's never ending ...could we take a step back as I suggested and stop the sniping

I think you'll find Faith's post was in reply to another. Why don't you try leading by example Davel?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2020, 09:09:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 24, 2020, 09:07:04 PM
I think you'll find Faith's post was in reply to another. Why don't you try leading by example Davel?

That's what I have suggested...I'm quite happy to do it..let's go
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 25, 2020, 12:27:00 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 24, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
Not fair and you know it. G has tried her best to be fair but her treatment by certain posters, aided and abetted by certain mods, has been nothing short of bullying. Are you all hoping she gives up as other mods have done and leaves the forum for you to run as your own fiefdom ? If so I think you’ve underestimated G.

Sadie has had her posts deleted because she serially accuses those who do not believe the parent’s narrative of absolutely ridiculous things. She is no shrinking violet and I think you are doing her a disservice by pretending that she is. She is entitled to her opinion and she gives it freely...she must know that it will be challenged but posts anyway.


I think certain mods are taking advantage of certain situations to favour certain posters and until that stops we will see further chaos on the forum of the kind that we have recently. This is not a nice place to be at the moment but it’s certainly not sceptics who are making it that way.

Not sure that I understand what you mean there, faith.

I think that Elli might be referring largely to the time that Slarti and to a lesser extent Stephen were modding.  It was an absolute disgrace then the way that my posts were disappearing or being altered.  In effect, for quite a long period, I was not allowed to voice my thoughts and opinions at all

And, of course, none of you were awareof what was happening unless I expressed my disgust on forum (usually in red)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 25, 2020, 12:59:19 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 25, 2020, 12:27:00 AM
Not sure that I understand what you mean there, faith.

I think that Elli might be referring largely to the time that Slarti and to a lesser extent Stephen were modding.  It was an absolute disgrace then the way that my posts were disappearing or being altered.  In effect, for quite a long period, I was not allowed to voice my thoughts and opinions at all

And, of course, none of you were awareof what was happening unless I expressed my disgust on forum (usually in red)

I will only say this, as neither of the members you mention are still active members I think it would be wrong to accuse them of actions which they can’t defend themselves against.

There’s a time and place to discuss this, it is not now.

Have a wonderful Christmas Sadie and let’s hope 2021 brings an end to this terrible pandemic and a greater understanding of how interconnected we all are. There’s more that unites us than divides us x
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 25, 2020, 08:47:41 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 24, 2020, 07:46:25 PM
I think I did...after apologising for my behaviour to you in the past.

Yes, you did do that.  But that is in another country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2020, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: sadie on December 26, 2020, 04:36:31 AM
Hi Faith .  Thank you for your good wishes.   You too, but I am too late for a personal Christmas wish, so enjoy the boxing Day sales if you can.   



It’s being reported today that a new antibody treatment is being trialed in the U.K. that could stop people developing Covid after exposure to the virus. Maybe this will be more appropriate to your particular needs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 27, 2020, 11:17:43 AM
Did CB have a girlfriend called Alison? can't recall her name being mentioned since his name came to light .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on December 27, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2020, 10:51:34 AM
It’s being reported today that a new antibody treatment is being trialed in the U.K. that could stop people developing Covid after exposure to the virus. Maybe this will be more appropriate to your particular needs.

Thanks faith. Can look forward to that possibly 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 27, 2020, 06:53:37 PM
Quote from: sadie on December 27, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Thanks faith. Can look forward to that possibly

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 29, 2020, 08:45:24 AM
Here we go again, you could set your clock by this crap.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13589868/maddie-mccann-detectives-believe-case-solved/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 29, 2020, 09:06:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 29, 2020, 08:45:24 AM
Here we go again, you could set your clock by this crap.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13589868/maddie-mccann-detectives-believe-case-solved/

From the sun article;

It's also been reported he is to be moved to a maximum security prison ahead of questioning.

Theres a report he's already been moved and its nowt to do with the McCann investigation.


Der Verdächtige im Fall Maddie ist in ein niedersächsisches Gefängnis verlegt worden. Der 43-Jährige kam nach dpa-Informationen nach Wolfenbüttel, wo er eine mehrjährige Haftstrafe nach einem Vergewaltigungsurteil absitzen soll. Die Justizbehörden betonten zwar, dass über genaue Haftanstalten, in denen Beschuldigte inhaftiert werden, grundsätzlich nicht informiert werde. "Wolfenbüttel ist aber die übliche JVA, wenn es um die Vollstreckung von Verurteilungen aus dem hiesigen Bezirk geht", sagte Hans Christian Wolters von der Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig.

Translation:

The Suspect in the case of Maddie has been moved to a new Prison in Lower Saxony today.
The 43 year old is according to information from the dpa (German Press Agency) transferred to JVA Wolfenbüttel, where he will be serving a long sentence after his recent conviction for Rape.
The Justice Department has said that they normally do not give out information on exactly which Prison a Prisoner has been sent to.
“Wolfenbüttel would be the usual Prison for a Convict to be sent to for these sort of crimes in this county” said Herr Wolters from the State Prosecutors Office in Braunschweig.

Source: Stern.de
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 29, 2020, 09:36:03 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 29, 2020, 09:06:07 AM
From the sun article;

It's also been reported he is to be moved to a maximum security prison ahead of questioning.

Theres a report he's already been moved and its nowt to do with the McCann investigation.


Der Verdächtige im Fall Maddie ist in ein niedersächsisches Gefängnis verlegt worden. Der 43-Jährige kam nach dpa-Informationen nach Wolfenbüttel, wo er eine mehrjährige Haftstrafe nach einem Vergewaltigungsurteil absitzen soll. Die Justizbehörden betonten zwar, dass über genaue Haftanstalten, in denen Beschuldigte inhaftiert werden, grundsätzlich nicht informiert werde. "Wolfenbüttel ist aber die übliche JVA, wenn es um die Vollstreckung von Verurteilungen aus dem hiesigen Bezirk geht", sagte Hans Christian Wolters von der Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig.

Translation:

The Suspect in the case of Maddie has been moved to a new Prison in Lower Saxony today.
The 43 year old is according to information from the dpa (German Press Agency) transferred to JVA Wolfenbüttel, where he will be serving a long sentence after his recent conviction for Rape.
The Justice Department has said that they normally do not give out information on exactly which Prison a Prisoner has been sent to.
“Wolfenbüttel would be the usual Prison for a Convict to be sent to for these sort of crimes in this county” said Herr Wolters from the State Prosecutors Office in Braunschweig.

Source: Stern.de
what is the date of the Stern report?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 29, 2020, 10:21:48 AM
From 27 December 2020.
“We have factual evidence, not forensic evidence." And Wolters adds: "If we weren't so sure, then we wouldn't have gone public with this information either - we don't feel like embarrassing ourselves either."

https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Wie-geht-es-weiter-im-Fall-Maddie-McCann,maddie274.html?fbclid=IwAR1426ZQa5X2ld_0IY0Li58BZsJV0Bmu5CD_9RkOLIP6Gs5CjddfPLW9cBQ

Translation:

What's next in the "Maddie" McCann case?

Status: December 27, 2020 8:34 a.m.

In May 2007, three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappeared in Portugal. The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office remains: Christian B. killed her.

No corpse and still no charge - but the Braunschweig public prosecutor is still certain: Christian B. kidnapped and killed Maddie . On June 3, 2020, the public prosecutor's spokesman, Christian Wolters, went public with this information at a press conference. Hundreds of leads have been received since then, says Wolters, the BKA is working nonstop new leads, and investigators in England and Portugal are also following leads.

Maddie case: police are searching allotment gardens in Seelze
During the investigation into the missing Maddie, officials searched an allotment garden Seelze. The focus of the action is the main suspect Christian B. from Braunschweig.

Lots of clues, but so far none that could convict Christian B. as a perpetrator. Ultimately, a court has to judge guilt or innocence, but for that to happen, there must first be an indictment. Can we expect that in 2021? Wolters cannot say that. Nevertheless, so far only Christian B. has come into question for him. "We haven't found anything in the past six months that could cause us to reconsider our suspicions." There was no indication that would have exonerated the accused, said Wolters.

Prosecutor convinced of the girl's death

While British investigators are investigating Maddie in the missing person, Wolters assumes that Maddie is no longer alive. "We have factual evidence, not forensic evidence." And Wolters adds: "If we weren't so sure, then we wouldn't have gone public with this information either - we don't feel like embarrassing ourselves either."

International manhunt

Three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007 from an apartment complex in Praja del Luz, Portugal. The parents were eating at a nearby restaurant at the time. An international manhunt began, thousands of leads were received, there were many suspects, but never a hot lead.

No information on possible witnesses

The press officer does not want to comment on how the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office found Christian B. Some media write that Helge B., a former acquaintance of Christian B., reported to Scotland Yard in 2017 and claimed that Christian B. confided in him that he was involved in Maddie's disappearance. When asked about this, Christian Wolters explains briefly: "We do not provide any information about possible witnesses and I will not comment on these media reports."

Seven year prison sentence for rape

Christian B. has been in the Wolfenbüttel correctional facility since November. He is serving the remainder of his drug trafficking sentence there. He then has to serve the seven-year prison sentence for raping a woman in Portugal. But he will probably not be released afterwards. In the course of the Maddie investigation there were indications of further sexual abuse of children, a woman came forward and stated that Christian B. had raped her in Portugal in 2004. Three preliminary investigations that could lead to charges against Christian B. in 2021, Wolters said.

Many questions are open to outsiders. Wolters knows that. "I would like to give you more information, then many questions would be self-explanatory, but I am not able to do that at the moment."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 29, 2020, 10:44:20 AM
Quote from: Anthro on December 29, 2020, 10:21:48 AM
From 27 December 2020.
“We have factual evidence, not forensic evidence." And Wolters adds: "If we weren't so sure, then we wouldn't have gone public with this information either - we don't feel like embarrassing ourselves either."

https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Wie-geht-es-weiter-im-Fall-Maddie-McCann,maddie274.html?fbclid=IwAR1426ZQa5X2ld_0IY0Li58BZsJV0Bmu5CD_9RkOLIP6Gs5CjddfPLW9cBQ
"Factual evidence but not forensic evidence".  What could that be?  A photo of a deceased girl that looks like Madeleine.  How can he be sure? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2020, 10:50:33 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 29, 2020, 10:44:20 AM
"Factual evidence but not forensic evidence".  What could that be?  A photo of a deceased girl that looks like Madeleine.  How can he be sure?

He has something  that makes him sure
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 29, 2020, 11:26:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 29, 2020, 10:50:33 AM
He has something  that makes him sure
You often talk about evidence.  Do you know the difference between factual and forensic evidence?  Can you explain the difference?



Forensic evidence is evidence obtained by scientific methods such as ballistics, blood test, and DNA test and used in court. Forensic evidence often helps to establish the guilt or innocence of possible suspects.

Circumstantial evidence is, in fact, non-factual evidence.

"Police body cameras bring factual evidence to light" 
https://youtu.be/klPGNNXqLb8
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 29, 2020, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 29, 2020, 11:26:23 AM
You often talk about evidence.  Do you know the difference between factual and forensic evidence?  Can you explain the difference?



Forensic evidence is evidence obtained by scientific methods such as ballistics, blood test, and DNA test and used in court. Forensic evidence often helps to establish the guilt or innocence of possible suspects.

Circumstantial evidence is, in fact, non-factual evidence.

"Police body cameras bring factual evidence to light" 
https://youtu.be/klPGNNXqLb8

Wolters thought the location of CB's phone on 3rd May 2007 was factual, but he was wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 29, 2020, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 29, 2020, 10:44:20 AM
"Factual evidence but not forensic evidence".  What could that be?  A photo of a deceased girl that looks like Madeleine.  How can he be sure?

Having her picture might indicate death, but how with out forensics how?  can it be put to the suspect you killed her, that didn't work back in 2014.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 29, 2020, 12:06:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 29, 2020, 11:44:00 AM
Having her picture might indicate death, but how with out forensics how?  can it be put to the suspect you killed her, that didn't work back in 2014.
If a known violent rapist and paedophile is found to have pictures of a missing child’s corpse in his possession would you consider that strong evidence he killed her or not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 29, 2020, 12:14:32 PM
No
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 29, 2020, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 29, 2020, 11:44:00 AM
Having her picture might indicate death, but how with out forensics how?  can it be put to the suspect you killed her, that didn't work back in 2014.

Identifying someone from a photograph isn't an exact method.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 29, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 29, 2020, 12:14:32 PM
No
So if Brückner had a picture of a dead Madeleine in his possession you’d still not be convinced he was involved in her disappearance?    Would it be enough to convince you she’d been abducted or would you still suspect the McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 29, 2020, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 29, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
So if Brückner had a picture of a dead Madeleine in his possession you’d still not be convinced he was involved in her disappearance?    Would it be enough to convince you she’d been abducted or would you still suspect the McCanns?

You've moved the goalposts. A few posts back you said killed her, now it's only disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2020, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 29, 2020, 11:38:57 AM
Wolters thought the location of CB's phone on 3rd May 2007 was factual, but he was wrong.

You don't know what phone information  HCW has so how can you be certain he's wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2020, 12:39:05 PM
Wolters has said he has concrete evidence Maddie is dead and his suspect killed her.  Until we know what that evidence is we cannot say he is wrong. 
I think based on the situation  and strict privacy laws in Germany its unlikely he's, wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 29, 2020, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 29, 2020, 12:06:44 PM
If a known violent rapist and paedophile is found to have pictures of a missing child’s corpse in his possession would you consider that strong evidence he killed her or not?

Paedos are often convicted of having pictures and distributing them, they aren't the ones who made the horrible things in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 29, 2020, 01:25:44 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 29, 2020, 12:21:33 PM
You've moved the goalposts. A few posts back you said killed her, now it's only disappearance.
OK, lets ask the question again:

if a known violent rapist and paedophile is found to have pictures of a missing child’s corpse in his possession would you consider that strong evidence he was involved in her disappearance or not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 29, 2020, 01:27:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 29, 2020, 01:01:21 PM
Paedos are often convicted of having pictures and distributing them, they aren't the ones who made the horrible things in the first place.
So taken with all the other circumstantial evidence against Brückner you wouldn’t consider possession of such a photo as strong evidence of involvement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 29, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 29, 2020, 12:16:06 PM
Identifying someone from a photograph isn't an exact method.
Surely law enforcement has advanced methods of analysing photographs. I think it can be an ‘exact method’ depending on what is contained in such a photograph. Madeleine is said to have a small chestnut birthmark on her left leg (the PJ files).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 29, 2020, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 29, 2020, 01:27:12 PM
So taken with all the other circumstantial evidence against Brückner you wouldn’t consider possession of such a photo as strong evidence of involvement?

No, not beyond reasonable doubt now if he had something of Madeleine's .....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 29, 2020, 01:48:25 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 29, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
Surely law enforcement has advanced methods of analysing photographs. I think it can be an ‘exact method’ depending on what is contained in such a photograph. Madeleine is said to have a small chestnut birthmark on her left leg (the PJ files).

Ok so the next question for any investigation would be how did he come into possession of an imaginary photo for this arguments sake, any defendant would just say I got it off the dark web, the onus is/will be on gathering evidence to the contrary to eliminate that answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 29, 2020, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 29, 2020, 01:35:06 PM
No, not beyond reasonable doubt now if he had something of Madeleine's .....
Why would having something of Madeleine’s convince you more than a photo?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 29, 2020, 01:58:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 29, 2020, 01:48:25 PM
Ok so the next question for any investigation would be how did he come into possession of an imaginary photo for this arguments sake, any defendant would just say I got it off the dark web, the onus is/will be on gathering evidence to the contrary to eliminate that answer.
Now you understand why HCW hasn’t divulged his evidence.  Knew you’d get there in the end!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 29, 2020, 02:00:41 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 29, 2020, 01:58:47 PM
Now you understand why HCW hasn’t divulged his evidence.  Knew you’d get there in the end!

So you in touch with the BKA then ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 29, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 29, 2020, 12:33:31 PM
You don't know what phone information  HCW has so how can you be certain he's wrong

I know what phone information the PJ had, and that it was given to Operation Grange. I think the Germans asked OG to check that info using CB's alleged number. I know that mobile phone companies can destroy call information after 6 years, so it's unlikely that any further info was available after 2013. Logically I have deduced that Wolters had no more information than the PJ had, and that he therefore could not place CB in Luz for certain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2020, 02:11:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 29, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
I know what phone information the PJ had, and that it was given to Operation Grange. I think the Germans asked OG to check that info using CB's alleged number. I know that mobile phone companies can destroy call information after 6 years, so it's unlikely that any further info was available after 2013. Logically I have deduced that Wolters had no more information than the PJ had, and that he therefore could not place CB in Luz for certain.

Did the information given to the Germans include the ping time information

What was the range of the Luz mast in 2007

Grange started in 2011...did Grange request  further details of the phone calls
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 29, 2020, 02:34:02 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 29, 2020, 02:00:41 PM
So you in touch with the BKA then ?
Why would you think that?  We know they have evidence but as you yourself said, the onus is on them to work hard to gather more evidence to confirm or eliminate involvement.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2020, 07:27:42 PM
If CB has  an alibi...if he was with someone that night.. then that person could simply phone the papers and ask for up to 100K for their story...it would be  a sensation...What are they waiting for
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 29, 2020, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 29, 2020, 07:27:42 PM
If CB has  an alibi...if he was with someone that night.. then that person could simply phone the papers and ask for up to 100K for their story...it would be  a sensation...What are they waiting for
Dont put ideas in Wonderfulspam’s head.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 29, 2020, 07:58:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 29, 2020, 07:51:36 PM
Dont put ideas in Wonderfulspam’s head.
Is that even possible?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 29, 2020, 08:34:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 29, 2020, 02:11:05 PM
Did the information given to the Germans include the ping time information

What was the range of the Luz mast in 2007

Grange started in 2011...did Grange request  further details of the phone calls

Yes thats how they got to question the three amigos in 2014.

Mark Rowley 2017: So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if
the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had
the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with
phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there
was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 29, 2020, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 29, 2020, 08:34:19 PM
Yes thats how they got to question the three amigos in 2014.

Mark Rowley 2017: So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if
the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had
the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with
phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there
was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.

The Policia Judiciaria used the phone data to reopen Madeleine's case in 2013 with Euclides Monteiro as their main suspect. Just as Scotland Yard used the same data which justified interrogating the three burglars to whom you refer, as persons of interest (arguidos).

Snip
He aroused police suspicions after phone records showed that he returned to the resort a year after being fired. It was the same resort where the McCanns were staying.
https://meaww.com/madeleine-mccann-chief-suspect-euclides-monteiro-never-interviewed-cops-credible-theory-abduction

Snip
Three burglars have been ­identified as prime suspects in the hunt for Madeleine McCann after detectives trawled through thousands of phone records.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-three-burglars-prime-2989712


Scotland Yard and the Bundeskriminalamt (BKA) worked together using Brueckner's phone number from 2007 supplied by the BKA in cross reference with phone data supplied by SY to place Brueckner's phone in Luz, just as SY and the PJ had done for the other four criminals who were suspects in Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

It there is anyone who struggles with how that works please make reference to the work carried out by Heri in one of the clearest explanations I have seen.

Snip
Very important update: ShiningInLuz reports that antenna (d) did not exist in 2009, and theretofore did not exist in May, 2007. So, antennas (a), (b) and (c) may be the ones named in the PJ files published in 2008: "the three Luz antennas". https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-madeleine-mccanns-abduction.html

Heri and Shining have collaborated in making the attempt to locate antennae which were in place and pinging like mad in 2007; a task which I am sure was carried out by the experts described by Paolo Reis thus ...
But more and more British officers keep coming. The PJ gave them a room, next to their own "crisis room" and the British called it "Task Portugal".
Experts in communications, special surveillance teams, profilers, specialist in information analysis, there are "all kind of specialised British police officers."
They had access to all information related to the investigation, participated in every meeting and took part in the decision process, as the investigation developed.
And which I am sure was carried home with them when they returned to Leicestershire after the McCann departure from Portugal ready to be used by SY when that proved necessary to identify suspects.



Christian Brueckner was identified as prime suspect in Madeleine McCann case after Met’s sophisticated call log placed him near Praia da Luz resortBy Abdul Taher For The Mail On Sunday
Published: 02:19 BST, 14 June 2020
Christian Brueckner was identified as a prime suspect for the abduction of Madeleine McCann after German police compared details of the sex offender’s phone with a sophisticated British call database.

In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters revealed how painstaking Anglo-German police work led to the biggest breakthrough in the inquiry since the youngster was kidnapped in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007.

Officers from the BKA, Germany’s federal police, obtained the number for a mobile phone that Brueckner had in 2007, but it was only when they cross-referenced it with data compiled by Scotland Yard from phone masts around Praia da Luz that they could place the 43-year-old near the Ocean Club from where Madeleine was taken.

Christian Brueckner was identified as a prime suspect for the abduction of Madeleine McCann after German police compared details of the sex offender’s phone with a sophisticated British call database

They then discovered his phone received a call in Praia da Luz from someone at 7.32pm.

The call lasted until 8.02pm and the person who called Brueckner has not yet been identified. Madeleine vanished between 9.10pm and 10pm that evening.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters revealed painstaking Anglo-German police work led to the huge breakthrough

Mr Wolters said: ‘Brueckner’s telephone number comes from our investigation, but British police have a data pool from 2007 from Praia da Luz of all mobile numbers [used in that area at the time], so we put our telephone number to the data of the British police – and it matched.

‘So we think that our suspect was, on the day Madeleine was kidnapped in Praia da Luz, near the apartment.’

He declined to provide details of how the BKA had found Brueckner’s mobile number in 2007.

The prosecutor claimed the BKA has further evidence pointing towards Brueckner’s involvement in Madeleine’s abduction, but for now were keeping some of it secret from the public – and their suspect.

‘We have no forensic evidence, but we have no doubt that Madeleine is dead. I think the British authorities need the forensic evidence for her death, but in Germany we don’t need forensic evidence.

Officers from the BKA, Germany’s federal police, obtained the number for a mobile phone that Brueckner had in 2007, but it was only when they cross-referenced it with data compiled by Scotland Yard from phone masts around Praia da Luz that they could place the 43-year-old near the Ocean Club from where Madeleine was taken

https://expressinformer.com/christian-brueckner-identified-as-suspect-in-mccann-case-after-mets-call-log-breakthrough/


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 30, 2020, 02:23:23 PM
Ha....fooled you ! Admit it....you thought I was going to supply a welcome distraction from the turgidity of the thread below. If only it was that easy !
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2020, 03:23:23 PM
From the article in Briettas post..


‘We have no forensic evidence, but we have no doubt that Madeleine is dead. I think the British authorities need the forensic evidence for her death, but in Germany we don’t need forensic evidence.

Here Wolters says no doubt Maddie is dead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 30, 2020, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 30, 2020, 03:23:23 PM
From the article in Briettas post..


‘We have no forensic evidence, but we have no doubt that Madeleine is dead. I think the British authorities need the forensic evidence for her death, but in Germany we don’t need forensic evidence.

Here Wolters says no doubt Maddie is dead

I've been saying that for 13 years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 30, 2020, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 30, 2020, 03:23:23 PM
From the article in Briettas post..


‘We have no forensic evidence, but we have no doubt that Madeleine is dead. I think the British authorities need the forensic evidence for her death, but in Germany we don’t need forensic evidence.

Here Wolters says no doubt Maddie is dead

In my opinon the only difference between the Germans and the British is what they're prepared to say publicly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 30, 2020, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 30, 2020, 03:23:23 PM
From the article in Briettas post..


‘We have no forensic evidence, but we have no doubt that Madeleine is dead. I think the British authorities need the forensic evidence for her death, but in Germany we don’t need forensic evidence.

Here Wolters says no doubt Maddie is dead

Would you consider a photo which you seem to think exist, forensics?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2020, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 30, 2020, 03:37:11 PM
In my opinon the only difference between the Germans and the British is what they're prepared to say publicly.

Do you think SY think Maddie is still alive?

SY have said they are working really really closely with the Germans
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2020, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 30, 2020, 03:45:18 PM
Would you consider a photo which you seem to think exist, forensics?

I don't think anything exists...I think things may exist..I'm fairly sure Wolters has this evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 30, 2020, 03:52:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 30, 2020, 03:48:02 PM
I don't think anything exists...I think things may exist..I'm fairly sure Wolters has this evidence

But no forensics, which clearly can't put him in contact with Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2020, 03:53:00 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 30, 2020, 03:52:10 PM
But no forensics, which clearly can't put him in contact with Madeleine.
As he said he doesn't need forensics
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 30, 2020, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 30, 2020, 03:53:00 PM
As he said he doesn't need forensics

He needs a miracle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2020, 03:57:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 30, 2020, 03:53:55 PM
He needs a miracle.
Yes and as we all know...miracles take a little longer
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 30, 2020, 03:59:16 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 30, 2020, 03:53:55 PM
He needs a miracle.

The whole World needs a miracle where Brueckner is concerned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2020, 04:12:30 PM
I saw another German case CB is suspected of being involved in...murder and mutilation of a young boy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 30, 2020, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 30, 2020, 04:12:30 PM
I saw another German case CB is suspected of being involved in...murder and mutilation of a young boy.

Can you tell us anymore.  Or should I say, May You?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2020, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 30, 2020, 04:42:02 PM
Can you tell us anymore.  Or should I say, May You?

I'll find it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 30, 2020, 04:48:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 30, 2020, 04:42:39 PM
I'll find it

Thank you.  That would be good.  Or did I mean Bad?

My grandmother frequently said, "You can but you may not."  I have never forgotten that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 30, 2020, 04:56:31 PM
Presumably this one - https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/16/madeleine-suspect-linked-murder-rape-boy-13-whose-body-was-mutilated-12859352/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 30, 2020, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 30, 2020, 04:56:31 PM
Presumably this one - https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/16/madeleine-suspect-linked-murder-rape-boy-13-whose-body-was-mutilated-12859352/

OMG, I think I feel sick.  That EFit is way too close for comfort.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 30, 2020, 05:09:08 PM
They'll need rather more than an e fit - like some proper evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2020, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 30, 2020, 04:56:31 PM
Presumably this one - https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/16/madeleine-suspect-linked-murder-rape-boy-13-whose-body-was-mutilated-12859352/

thats the one
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 30, 2020, 05:32:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 30, 2020, 04:56:31 PM
Presumably this one - https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/16/madeleine-suspect-linked-murder-rape-boy-13-whose-body-was-mutilated-12859352/

From June I see when the press were trying to link him to all unsolved cases.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2020, 05:36:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 30, 2020, 05:32:43 PM
From June I see when the press were trying to link him to all unsolved cases.

have you ruled him out then
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 30, 2020, 05:38:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 30, 2020, 05:32:43 PM
From June I see when the press were trying to link him to all unsolved cases.
Not just the press, but also the chief prosecutor

Chief Prosecutor Noah Kruger told German daily newspaper Bild: ‘We are checking whether there are any connections between the two cases.  ‘In itself, however, this is not unusual, but routine. The sequence of events and the e-fit from the Tristan case could be similar.

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/16/madeleine-suspect-linked-murder-rape-boy-13-whose-body-was-mutilated-12859352/?ito=cbshare
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 30, 2020, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 30, 2020, 02:23:23 PM
Ha....fooled you ! Admit it....you thought I was going to supply a welcome distraction from the turgidity of the thread below. If only it was that easy !
Eh??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 30, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
According to the Guarian, atimeline places him in Portugal at the time of this crime. - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-a-timeline

Of course he may have been travelling back and forth to Germany during the crucial time, though I would think it difficult to prove his precise  whereabouts after 20+ years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 30, 2020, 06:02:08 PM


I think Brueckner might be behind the September 11th attacks aswell.

Have they checked him out for that?

Where was he on 9/11?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 30, 2020, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 30, 2020, 06:02:08 PM

I think Brueckner might be behind the September 11th attacks aswell.

Have they checked him out for that?

Where was he on 9/11?

Where were you might be more to the point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 30, 2020, 06:37:40 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 30, 2020, 06:02:08 PM

I think Brueckner might be behind the September 11th attacks aswell.

Have they checked him out for that?

Where was he on 9/11?

All roads lead to Brueckner it would appear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 30, 2020, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 30, 2020, 06:02:08 PM

I think Brueckner might be behind the September 11th attacks aswell.

Have they checked him out for that?

Where was he on 9/11?
With every post you make you look more and more idiotic, do carry on though,  it’s most comical.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 01, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8405283/Police-ruled-Christian-Brueckner-suspect-rape-Irish-holiday-rep.html

Worth another read for those who want to dismiss CB s a significant  suspect.  An interesting video from Cresida Dick confirmed ng that SY are working really closely with the Germans
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 01, 2021, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 01, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8405283/Police-ruled-Christian-Brueckner-suspect-rape-Irish-holiday-rep.html

Worth another read for those who want to dismiss CB s a significant  suspect.  An interesting video from Cresida Dick confirmed ng that SY are working really closely with the Germans

How much closer do they have to get before they start sharing evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 01, 2021, 02:05:37 PM
so will CB be questioned in Jan...lets see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 01, 2021, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 01, 2021, 02:05:37 PM
so will CB be questioned in Jan...lets see

I have to wonder if that is all that important.

I have now gone from Defending to Prosecuting, which in itself is only a state of mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 01, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
If he is involved he will say nothing of value.
If he is not involved he will have nothing of value to say.

The outcome will be the same.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 01, 2021, 03:16:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 01, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
If he is involved he will say nothing of value.
If he is not involved he will have nothing of value to say.

The outcome will be the same.

However, in his situation saying nothing will get him convicted.  He has a long line of child sex abuse convictions which will lead The Judges to come to a conclusion.  Better any day than a Jury.  So I hope that Brueckner will continue to say Nothing.  It will tell me all I need to know.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 01, 2021, 03:17:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 01, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
If he is involved he will say nothing of value.
If he is not involved he will have nothing of value to say.

The outcome will be the same.

He doesn't need to say anything.  It is German investigators who are boasting that they have evidence so let them produce it if it's worth anything.   I suspect it's a load of hogwash though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 01, 2021, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on January 01, 2021, 03:17:52 PM
He doesn't need to say anything.  It is German investigators who are boasting that they have evidence so let them produce it if it's worth anything.   I suspect it's a load of hogwash though.

You are so right.  Brueckner really shouldn't Defend himself.  Especially if he can't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 01, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on January 01, 2021, 03:17:52 PM
He doesn't need to say anything.  It is German investigators who are boasting that they have evidence so let them produce it if it's worth anything.   I suspect it's a load of hogwash though.

Why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 01, 2021, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 01, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
Why?

Why ask?  Angelo doesn't know what he is talking about most of the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 01, 2021, 03:46:38 PM
Im sure he will have to be given the opportunity to answer questions.....a matter of procedure. I doubt Wolters expects him to say anything but its  a necessary stage before charging him. i thuink theres alot of denial on the forum...gunit seemed to deny he was a  suspect...how odd
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 01, 2021, 03:55:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 01, 2021, 03:45:27 PM
Why ask?  Angelo doesn't know what he is talking about most of the time.

Some of us have read and watched everything about CB and reached a conclusion...I wondered how Angelo had raeched his..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 01, 2021, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 01, 2021, 11:07:38 PM
I think both terms have been used and therefore both are valid.

‘Then in June this year, German police let it be known they were looking at 43-year-old German national Brückner as a person of interest in the case. Brückner has led an itinerant lifestyle, which being linked to a number of crimes.’

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/eu-affairs/132610/european-court-rejects-appeal-from-madeleine-mccann-suspect/

How obscure do you need to go... He is more than that now... But if it makes, sceptics feel better to pretend he's not involved carry on.
I seem to remember  gunit saying his rape, trial was illegal around that time
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 01, 2021, 11:18:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 01, 2021, 11:15:03 PM
How obscure do you need to go... He is more than that now... But if it makes, sceptics feel better to pretend he's not involved carry on.
I seem to remember  gunit saying his rape, trial was illegal around that time

And we hadn't seen that E-Fit in the murder of the 13 year old boy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 01, 2021, 11:22:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 01, 2021, 11:18:07 PM
And we hadn't seen that E-Fit in the murder of the 13 year old boy.

To me the efit looks like the person of interest had a scar suggesting surgery from a cleft palette.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 01, 2021, 11:29:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 01, 2021, 11:15:03 PM
How obscure do you need to go... He is more than that now... But if it makes, sceptics feel better to pretend he's not involved carry on.
I seem to remember  gunit saying his rape, trial was illegal around that time
Good to know that the McCanns were never actually suspects though, only “persons of interest”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 02, 2021, 01:42:27 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 01, 2021, 11:29:20 PM
Good to know that the McCanns were never actually suspects though, only “persons of interest”.
Probably quite a good translation of "aguidos".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 10:14:38 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 02, 2021, 01:42:27 AM
Probably quite a good translation of "aguidos".

The English translation I found of arguido is 'accused'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2021, 10:19:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 10:14:38 AM
The English translation I found of arguido is 'accused'.

That's not a decent translation as accused doesn't describe the rights of an arguido.... So there is no real accurate translation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 02, 2021, 10:24:29 AM
Wonder when CB's presumption of innocence in the Madeleine case kicks in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2021, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 02, 2021, 10:24:29 AM
Wonder when CB's presumption of innocence in the Madeleine case kicks in.

As the McCanns are still waiting after 13 years it would seem he has some time to wait
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 02, 2021, 10:34:08 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 02, 2021, 10:24:29 AM
Wonder when CB's presumption of innocence in the Madeleine case kicks in.
What exactly do you mean by that? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 02, 2021, 10:24:29 AM
Wonder when CB's presumption of innocence in the Madeleine case kicks in.

When he's arrested/charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 02, 2021, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
When he's arrested/charged.

Ah! never then, I've oft said the legend is writ, the legend being he was the one that dunnit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 02, 2021, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 02, 2021, 11:38:21 AM
Ah! never then, I've oft said the legend is writ, the legend being he was the one that dunnit.
Correct.  He will never be cleared.  How sad for his legion of supporters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2021, 11:52:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
When he's arrested/charged.

That's incorrect... I would have thought you would have understood that by now

http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-new-directive-on-presumption-of.html?m=1



Article 2 confirms that the Directive will apply at “all stages from the moment when a person is suspected or accused of having committed a criminal offence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 01:32:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 02, 2021, 11:52:07 AM
That's incorrect... I would have thought you would have understood that by now

http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-new-directive-on-presumption-of.html?m=1



Article 2 confirms that the Directive will apply at “all stages from the moment when a person is suspected or accused of having committed a criminal offence

Wolters appears to have breached this bit;

Article 4: Public references to guilt before proven guilty

Article 4 puts Member States under an obligation to “take the necessary measures” to ensure that there are no public statements made by “public authorities”, as well as judicial decisions (save for verdicts), before suspects have been proven guilty according to law
http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-new-directive-on-presumption-of.html?m=1
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 02, 2021, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 01:32:19 PM
Wolters appears to have breached this bit;

Article 4: Public references to guilt before proven guilty

Article 4 puts Member States under an obligation to “take the necessary measures” to ensure that there are no public statements made by “public authorities”, as well as judicial decisions (save for verdicts), before suspects have been proven guilty according to law
http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-new-directive-on-presumption-of.html?m=1
And Amaral before him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2021, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 01:32:19 PM
Wolters appears to have breached this bit;

Article 4: Public references to guilt before proven guilty

Article 4 puts Member States under an obligation to “take the necessary measures” to ensure that there are no public statements made by “public authorities”, as well as judicial decisions (save for verdicts), before suspects have been proven guilty according to law
http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-new-directive-on-presumption-of.html?m=1

..there are exemptions....Thats why I think Wolters has to be certain of what he says.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 02, 2021, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 02, 2021, 01:58:36 PM
And Amaral before him.

Since when did Amaral become a public authority?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 02:10:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 02, 2021, 02:06:21 PM
Since when did Amaral become a public authority?

Quite. He was a civilian when he wrote his book.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2021, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 02:10:23 PM
Quite. He was a civilian when he wrote his book.

All from memory, was it?  No wonder he got it all so wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 02, 2021, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 02, 2021, 02:06:21 PM
Since when did Amaral become a public authority?
He could not have written his crappy book if he’d not used his erstwhile position as a “public authority” to write it and promote it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2021, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 02:10:23 PM
Quite. He was a civilian when he wrote his book.

doesnt the Duty of Reserve cover that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2021, 02:36:04 PM
It is quite obvious to anyone that Amaral used his flawed knowledge of his flawed Investigation to write his very flawed book.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 02, 2021, 02:38:20 PM
What law specifically permits ex-police who have been involved in an ongoing and sensitive case to breach judicial secrecy I wonder...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2021, 02:40:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 02, 2021, 02:38:20 PM
What law specifically permits ex-police involved in an ongoing and sensitive case to breach judicial secrecy I wonder...

Think Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 02, 2021, 02:41:13 PM
Anyhow, looking forward to HCW’s bestselling book all about Brückner’s involvement in all sorts of unsolved crimes including Madeleine’s disappearance just as soon as he is sacked by the German judiciary. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 02, 2021, 02:33:08 PM
doesnt the Duty of Reserve cover that

The judge of the first instance thought so, but both appeal courts rejected that argument.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2021, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 02, 2021, 02:41:13 PM
Anyhow, looking forward to HCW’s bestselling book all about Brückner’s involvement in all sorts of unsolved crimes including Madeleine’s disappearance just as soon as he is sacked by the German judiciary.

Oh Goodie,  then we can go about trashing Brueckner for ever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 02, 2021, 02:38:20 PM
What law specifically permits ex-police who have been involved in an ongoing and sensitive case to breach judicial secrecy I wonder...

Judicial secrecy ends with archiving.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2021, 04:32:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 02:56:53 PM
Judicial secrecy ends with archiving.

When did it start?  I must have missed that bit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 02, 2021, 04:50:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 02, 2021, 01:58:36 PM
And Amaral before him.

New year, same old.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 02, 2021, 05:04:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 02, 2021, 04:50:43 PM
New year, same old.
Whereas all your posts since Jan 1st have been brimming with startling new insight and wholly original observations.  Not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 02, 2021, 05:33:03 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 02, 2021, 11:38:21 AM
Ah! never then, I've oft said the legend is writ, the legend being he was the one that dunnit.
New year, same old
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2021, 09:32:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 02, 2021, 01:32:19 PM
Wolters appears to have breached this bit;

Article 4: Public references to guilt before proven guilty

Article 4 puts Member States under an obligation to “take the necessary measures” to ensure that there are no public statements made by “public authorities”, as well as judicial decisions (save for verdicts), before suspects have been proven guilty according to law
http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-new-directive-on-presumption-of.html?m=1

If you had read the, article you quoted you would see it makes two exceptions to what you have claimed.
One is public interest and the second is.. In the interests of the investigation.

So it doesnt appear that Wolters has breached anything as you have claimed.

It also mentions breath,  blood and urine samples as not being in conflict with the POI and self incrimination which interestingly is a point I made a couple of days ago
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 04:00:45 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 02, 2021, 09:32:54 PM
If you had read the, article you quoted you would see it makes two exceptions to what you have claimed.
One is public interest and the second is.. In the interests of the investigation.

So it doesnt appear that Wolters has breached anything as you have claimed.

It also mentions breath,  blood and urine samples as not being in conflict with the POI and self incrimination which interestingly is a point I made a couple of days ago
Cite for the post where you make a point about this topic.   I'd find the cite myself if only you gave us clue as to what you said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2021, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 04:00:45 AM
Cite for the post where you make a point about this topic.   I'd find the cite myself if only you gave us clue as to what you said.

Have you forgotten...you made several replies to the point I raised on breath tests
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 04, 2021, 09:58:00 AM
Have you forgotten...you made several replies to the point I raised on breath tests
Are you saying if I search for breath test I'll find it.?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2021, 10:03:21 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:02:12 AM
Are you saying if I search for breath test I'll find it.?

I'm saying have you forgotten discussing this with me a couple of days ago
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 04, 2021, 10:03:21 AM
I'm saying have you forgotten discussing this with me a couple of days ago
I said you were wrong and proved it.  Now you are raising it again.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11847.msg634034#msg634034
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2021, 10:09:47 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:06:06 AM
I said you were wrong and proved it.  Now you are raising it again.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11847.msg634034#msg634034


So when you asked for a cite  me raising the point you already knew I had. You proved nothing . I made the point that it means a suspect is obliged to give evidence that may incriminate them and it's interesting that this article raises the point in relation to POI and self incrimination
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:15:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 04, 2021, 10:09:47 AM

So when you asked for a cite the me raising the point you already knew I had. You proved nothing . I made the point that it means a suspect is obliged to give evidence that may incriminate them and it's interesting that this article raises the point in relation to POI and self incrimination
"Under Article 6 (2), in line with the ECtHR jurisprudence, “the exercise of the right not to incriminate oneself shall not prevent gathering evidence which may be lawfully obtained through the use of legal compulsory powers and which has an existence independent of the will of the suspects or accused persons”. The ECtHR has noted this includes documents acquired pursuant to a warrant, breath, blood and urine samples, and bodily tissue for the purpose of DNA testing (Ortiz and Martin v. Spain, No. 43486/98, 15.6.99)."

By submitting these samples you are not incriminating yourself as they have the legal right to take these samples.

That was my point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2021, 10:17:42 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:15:06 AM
"Under Article 6 (2), in line with the ECtHR jurisprudence, “the exercise of the right not to incriminate oneself shall not prevent gathering evidence which may be lawfully obtained through the use of legal compulsory powers and which has an existence independent of the will of the suspects or accused persons”. The ECtHR has noted this includes documents acquired pursuant to a warrant, breath, blood and urine samples, and bodily tissue for the purpose of DNA testing (Ortiz and Martin v. Spain, No. 43486/98, 15.6.99)."

By submitting these samples you are not incriminating yourself as they have the legal right to take these samples.

That was my point.

And my point was that the article felt it necessary to address the very point I had raised which means it must have some relevance as I originally thought. That's the point I was making and it seems the article proves me right.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 04, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 04:00:45 AM
Cite for the post where you make a point about this topic.   I'd find the cite myself if only you gave us clue as to what you said.

Hi Rob ~ I typed "breath test" above 'Davel' in the search engine and got an immediate hit for the 29th to the conversation with you,.
I think it is good to seek clarification if confused, but I'm not too sure it is constructive as far as discussion is concerned to do so continually.

Is there any chance we can progress minus the 'tit for tat' disruption on this and other future subjects?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:21:36 AM
If you've been drinking and are asked to give a breath test you are not self-incriminating when you blow into the breathalyzer.   It is your legal duty to comply with that request.

Quote from: Brietta on January 04, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
Hi Rob ~ I typed "breath test" above 'Davel' in the search engine and got an immediate hit for the 29th to the conversation with you,.
I think it is good to seek clarification if confused, but I'm not too sure it is constructive as far as discussion is concerned to do so continually.

Is there any chance we can progress minus the 'tit for tat' disruption on this and other future subjects?
So the search result appears in another thread.  And was at the time a part of a debate between Davel and I as to whether he was right.  That is my point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 04, 2021, 10:17:42 AM
And my point was that the article felt it necessary to address the very point I had raised which means it must have some relevance as I originally thought. That's the point I was making and it seems the article proves me right.
It doesn't prove you right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 04, 2021, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:15:06 AM
"Under Article 6 (2), in line with the ECtHR jurisprudence, “the exercise of the right not to incriminate oneself shall not prevent gathering evidence which may be lawfully obtained through the use of legal compulsory powers and which has an existence independent of the will of the suspects or accused persons”. The ECtHR has noted this includes documents acquired pursuant to a warrant, breath, blood and urine samples, and bodily tissue for the purpose of DNA testing (Ortiz and Martin v. Spain, No. 43486/98, 15.6.99)."

By submitting these samples you are not incriminating yourself as they have the legal right to take these samples.

That was my point.

If it is of any interest I once refused a Breath Test and later a Urine or Blood Sample because I thought I was being stalked by The Police, which wasn't at all an unlikely event at the time, for reasons that I won't go into.

The upshot despite my Defence was that I lost my Driving Licence for a year.  No one tried to force me into anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 04, 2021, 10:26:00 AM
If it is of any interest I once refused a Breath Test and later a Urine or Blood Sample because I thought I was being stalked by The Police, which wasn't at all an unlikely event at the time, for reasons that I won't go into.

The upshot despite my Defence was that I lost my Driving Licence for a year.  No one tried to force me into anything.
So the penalty for refusing to submit a sample was quite severe.  Had you submitted to the test do you think you'd have passed the legal limit or were you under the influence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2021, 10:33:22 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:23:43 AM
It doesn't prove you right.

I would say it proves me right that the particular law has relevance to the POI.

I think you are now arguing for arguing sake
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2021, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
So the penalty for refusing to submit a sample was quite severe.  Had you submitted to the test do you think you'd have passed the legal limit or were you under the influence?

The punishment for refusing a test is basically the same as for failing it. The suspect is being punished for not cooperating..in effect in a case where they could prove their innocence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 04, 2021, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 04, 2021, 10:33:22 AM
I would say it proves me right that the particular law has relevance to the POI.

I think you are now arguing for arguing sake
IMO If the POI has the obligation to provide a sample (by law) he is not self-incriminating by submitting to that request.
The person might get caught, but it is not self-incrimination.

Quote from: Davel on January 04, 2021, 10:37:40 AM
The punishment for refusing a test is basically the same as for failing it. The suspect is being punished for not cooperating..in effect in a case where they could prove their innocence
Innocence or guilt. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 07, 2021, 12:59:54 AM
The similarities between the necessary attributes for the person described by Kimberly Mehlman-Orozc as Madeleine's abductor in 2017 match with uncanny precision the description of prime suspect, Brueckner in 2020.



REVEALED: 'THIS is who snatched Madeleine McCann and THIS is how to find them'
EERIE details of the person who could have been behind Madeleine McCann’s abduction have been exclusively revealed to Daily Star Online.

ByTom Evans
00:00, 23 APR 2017

Three-year-old Maddie disappeared 10 years ago in May.

Earlier this week Daily Star Online exclusively revealed how a witness believed she spotted Madeleine in Morocco just six days after she vanished in Portugal.

But now, a human trafficking expert has revealed who might have been behind the abduction and how investigators should go about trying to catch them.

Kimberly Mehlman-Orozco, a world-leading expert in trafficking, exclusively told Daily Star Online that Maddie could have been snatched by a local paedophile.

She didn’t stop there, though.

Kimberly – who specialised in human trafficking for her PhD – believes that police and investigators should scour the furthest reaches of the internet to search for clues related to Madeleine’s disappearance.

Kimberly explained that "it is unlikely Madeleine McCann was a victim of human trafficking" and that experienced traffickers "rarely kidnap, due to the difficulty in maintaining control of victims and staying under the radar from police scrutiny".

She did, however, concede that "a local paedophile with a history of child sex tourism may be a more likely culprit in this case".

“This person would be a commercial sex consumer," she added.

“In my opinion, international police should consider focusing on scouring the dark web and commercial sex review sites.

“Many of these men share information and photographs of their crimes with other paedophiles around the world.

“I would also look for users who posted or commented actively prior to the crime but not immediately after her disappearance.”

Kimberly’s claims could support the views of Detective Inspector Dave Edgar – who strongly believes that Maddie is still alive.

Edgar, who insists her parents Kate and Gerry had nothing to do with her disappearance, believes someone is protecting Maddie’s kidnappers.

And Kimberly’s view is that Portugal is a “destination country” for trafficking, suggesting the three-year-old could have been particularly vulnerable while staying in her family’s apartment in Praia de Luz.

Speaking from her home in the United States, Kimberly told Daily Star Online: “Portugal is a source, transit, and destination country for labour and sex trafficking.

“Victims trafficked from Portugal can be victimised in their home country or brought to Spain for forced labour, as well as to other countries, mostly in Europe.”

It comes as a TV show claims to have unearthed a fresh lead into the youngster’s disappearance – and will reveal all on telly this weekend.

Current affairs show Sunday Night, to be broadcast on Channel 7 in Australia on Sunday morning, have released a teaser clip promising a “landmark television event”.

Maddie was just days away from her fourth birthday when she vanished from her family’s holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.

Kate and Gerry cling on to the hope that Maddie – who would now be 13 – is still alive.

Kimberly is a world-renowned human trafficking expert with experience of interviewing dozens of former traffickers and their victims.

She is a passionate campaigner, working hard to improve the efforts of law enforcement agencies around the world to police the Dark Web in a bid to curb the trade and bring traffickers to justice.

She is currently working on a book – “Hidden in Plain Sight: America's Slaves in the New Millennium” which is due for release this Autumn.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-maddie-mystery-missing-17014469
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 07, 2021, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 07, 2021, 12:59:54 AM
The similarities between the necessary attributes for the person described by Kimberly Mehlman-Orozc as Madeleine's abductor in 2017 match with uncanny precision the description of prime suspect, Brueckner in 2020.



REVEALED: 'THIS is who snatched Madeleine McCann and THIS is how to find them'
EERIE details of the person who could have been behind Madeleine McCann’s abduction have been exclusively revealed to Daily Star Online.

ByTom Evans
00:00, 23 APR 2017

Three-year-old Maddie disappeared 10 years ago in May.

Earlier this week Daily Star Online exclusively revealed how a witness believed she spotted Madeleine in Morocco just six days after she vanished in Portugal.

But now, a human trafficking expert has revealed who might have been behind the abduction and how investigators should go about trying to catch them.

Kimberly Mehlman-Orozco, a world-leading expert in trafficking, exclusively told Daily Star Online that Maddie could have been snatched by a local paedophile.

She didn’t stop there, though.

Kimberly – who specialised in human trafficking for her PhD – believes that police and investigators should scour the furthest reaches of the internet to search for clues related to Madeleine’s disappearance.

Kimberly explained that "it is unlikely Madeleine McCann was a victim of human trafficking" and that experienced traffickers "rarely kidnap, due to the difficulty in maintaining control of victims and staying under the radar from police scrutiny".

She did, however, concede that "a local paedophile with a history of child sex tourism may be a more likely culprit in this case".

“This person would be a commercial sex consumer," she added.

“In my opinion, international police should consider focusing on scouring the dark web and commercial sex review sites.

“Many of these men share information and photographs of their crimes with other paedophiles around the world.

“I would also look for users who posted or commented actively prior to the crime but not immediately after her disappearance.”

Kimberly’s claims could support the views of Detective Inspector Dave Edgar – who strongly believes that Maddie is still alive.

Edgar, who insists her parents Kate and Gerry had nothing to do with her disappearance, believes someone is protecting Maddie’s kidnappers.

And Kimberly’s view is that Portugal is a “destination country” for trafficking, suggesting the three-year-old could have been particularly vulnerable while staying in her family’s apartment in Praia de Luz.

Speaking from her home in the United States, Kimberly told Daily Star Online: “Portugal is a source, transit, and destination country for labour and sex trafficking.

“Victims trafficked from Portugal can be victimised in their home country or brought to Spain for forced labour, as well as to other countries, mostly in Europe.”

It comes as a TV show claims to have unearthed a fresh lead into the youngster’s disappearance – and will reveal all on telly this weekend.

Current affairs show Sunday Night, to be broadcast on Channel 7 in Australia on Sunday morning, have released a teaser clip promising a “landmark television event”.

Maddie was just days away from her fourth birthday when she vanished from her family’s holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.

Kate and Gerry cling on to the hope that Maddie – who would now be 13 – is still alive.

Kimberly is a world-renowned human trafficking expert with experience of interviewing dozens of former traffickers and their victims.

She is a passionate campaigner, working hard to improve the efforts of law enforcement agencies around the world to police the Dark Web in a bid to curb the trade and bring traffickers to justice.

She is currently working on a book – “Hidden in Plain Sight: America's Slaves in the New Millennium” which is due for release this Autumn.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-maddie-mystery-missing-17014469

Good find, Brie.
~~~~~~~~~~

Well done, Kimberley. 

I endorse her methods of searching.  The internet and Google Earth have proved to be valuable tools for discovering information for me.

Her questions also make sense:

“In my opinion, international police should consider focusing on scouring the dark web and commercial sex review sites.

“Many of these men share information and photographs of their crimes with other paedophiles around the world.

“I would also look for users who posted or commented actively prior to the crime but not immediately after her disappearance.”


I have found numerous pointers using the internet and Google Earth.   The down side is that these perps now seem able to alter the words on the internet and also adjust Google Earth both from sky view and street view.  Sinister for Justice. 
 
Any evidence one finds needs hard copies taking, or the whole image/video storing on a storage device under a different original internet name.   Give it the same name and it will revert to the manipulated version of disinformation when opened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 07, 2021, 05:54:06 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 07, 2021, 04:05:44 PM
Good find, Brie.
~~~~~~~~~~

Well done, Kimberley. 

I endorse her methods of searching.  The internet and Google Earth have proved to be valuable tools for discovering information for me.

Her questions also make sense:

“In my opinion, international police should consider focusing on scouring the dark web and commercial sex review sites.

“Many of these men share information and photographs of their crimes with other paedophiles around the world.

“I would also look for users who posted or commented actively prior to the crime but not immediately after her disappearance.”


I have found numerous pointers using the internet and Google Earth.   The down side is that these perps now seem able to alter the words on the internet and also adjust Google Earth both from sky view and street view. Sinister for Justice. 
 
Any evidence one finds needs hard copies taking, or the whole image/video storing on a storage device under a different original internet name.   Give it the same name and it will revert to the manipulated version of disinformation when opened.
Wait, what? They can alter Google Earth?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 09, 2021, 07:57:48 PM
What's the title of the thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on January 09, 2021, 09:02:16 PM
Please respect the thread title when posting.

Admin
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 09, 2021, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: Admin on January 09, 2021, 09:02:16 PM
Please respect the thread title when posting.
 
Admin.

Yes, I know.  But we all wander off from time to time.  Perhaps there are too many Threads on the whole ghastly subject.  And some of us are bored witless.

You could try putting in some content yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 11, 2021, 01:48:55 AM
More bullshit in the race to incriminate Maddie suspect.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-push-find-23294243
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 11, 2021, 06:09:53 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on January 11, 2021, 01:48:55 AM
More bullshit in the race to incriminate Maddie suspect.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-push-find-23294243
Come now Angelo, we need a bit of fantasy to lift us from the covid doom.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 07:09:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on January 11, 2021, 01:48:55 AM
More bullshit in the race to incriminate Maddie suspect.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-push-find-23294243
Which parts specifically do you consider to be bullshit and why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 11, 2021, 08:04:10 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 07:09:01 AM
Which parts specifically do you consider to be bullshit and why?
Angelo's...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 08:06:10 AM
Quote from: Myster on January 11, 2021, 08:04:10 AM
Angelo's...
I had noticed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 08:58:34 AM
I think some posters are simply in denial. I cannot see any way Wolters does not have this concrete evidence of Maddie's murder. All those who have always not believed in abduction are trying to find an excuse for what is really happening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 09:00:43 AM
Quote from: Myster on January 11, 2021, 08:04:10 AM
Angelo's...

We can all see through it now..that's the difference
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 09:21:50 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 07:09:01 AM
Which parts specifically do you consider to be bullshit and why?

This?

"German detectives have also spent time quizzing key witnesses in the Algarve, including Mr Brueckner’s British ex-girlfriend." [Not officially they haven't, only Portuguese police can interview people in the Algarve]



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 09:21:50 AM
This?

"German detectives have also spent time quizzing key witnesses in the Algarve, including Mr Brueckner’s British ex-girlfriend." [Not officially they haven't, only Portuguese police can interview people in the Algarve]
And you know for certain that they did not do so with co-operation from Portuguese police?
Anything else?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 08:06:10 AM
I had noticed.

I only cottoned on last week. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 09:21:50 AM
This?

"German detectives have also spent time quizzing key witnesses in the Algarve, including Mr Brueckner’s British ex-girlfriend." [Not officially they haven't, only Portuguese police can interview people in the Algarve]

That won't help then will it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 09:34:33 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 09:21:50 AM
This?

"German detectives have also spent time quizzing key witnesses in the Algarve, including Mr Brueckner’s British ex-girlfriend." [Not officially they haven't, only Portuguese police can interview people in the Algarve]

I think that's being pedantic..we all know how it works. Essentially they will be answering questions posed by the germans so it's not BS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 09:38:43 AM
It's clear to me that some posters just cannot cope with the fact that the investigation is progressing and that they may well be proved to have been wrong all these years
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 09:45:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 09:38:43 AM
It's clear to me that some posters just cannot cope with the fact that the investigation is progressing and that they may well be proved to have been wrong all these years
I agree.  Even when the facts are staring them in the face they manage to convince themselves that it's all "bullshit".  A bit like the MAGA crowd in American who believe that it was the Lefties wot stormed Capitol Hill and that Trump woz robbed.  In fact I fully expect Angelo agrees with those sentiments too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 09:52:59 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 09:45:10 AM
I agree.  Even when the facts are staring them in the face they manage to convince themselves that it's all "bullshit".  A bit like the MAGA crowd in American who believe that it was the Lefties wot stormed Capitol Hill and that Trump woz robbed.  In fact I fully expect Angelo agrees with those sentiments too.
It seems some have spent a lifetime studying the files.. researching the evidence...only to find the answer isn't in the files. All the hours trying to convince other posters about the statements..the dogs..the window..48 questions...that's the BS.,.and it seems they are going to have to face up to it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 09:55:18 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 09:52:59 AM
It seems some have spent a lifetime studying the files.. researching the evidence...only to find the answer isn't in the files. All the hours trying to convince other posters about the statements..the dogs..the window..48 questions...that's the BS.,.and it seems they are going to have to face up to it
I would suggest that some will never face up to it, even if CB is tried, found guilty and sent to prison for life.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 09:58:25 AM
It's claimed that CB has top lawyers...what are they doing. Why are they allowing HCW to publicly accuse CB of murder..why are they not acting..imo it can only be because they cannot go to court where CB may have to answer questions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 10:00:11 AM
What I find mystifying about Angelo's scepticism is that his theory is that Madeleine left the apartment and was abducted or harmed and disposed of by a third party but seems adamant in his belief that it couldn't possibly have been CB - based on what certain knowledge?? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:01:43 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 09:55:18 AM
I would suggest that some will never face up to it, even if CB is tried, found guilty and sent to prison for life.
I would suggest that the overwhelming majority couldn't give a rats ass either way.
£51 says it doesn't even go to trial.
£13.20 says he instigates civil proceedings against the BKA within 6 months.






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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 09:58:25 AM
It's claimed that CB has top lawyers...what are they doing. Why are they allowing HCW to publicly accuse CB of murder..why are they not acting..imo it can only be because they cannot go to court where CB may have to answer questions
Playing the long game.
I trust in CB's new legal team as being trustworthy and competent, we will see....blah....blah......see how that shoe fits both feet?

Edit: they're probably in negotiations with Warner Bros or an other big studio for the ongoing rights.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 09:38:43 AM
It's clear to me that some posters just cannot cope with the fact that the investigation is progressing and that they may well be proved to have been wrong all these years

I have always known that they are wrong.  It is beyond me to understand the reasons for why Amaral and his followers inflicted so much damage on The McCanns and Madeleine when there has never been a scrap op Proof against them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:07:42 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:05:19 AM
I have always known that they are wrong.  It is beyond me to understand the reasons for why Amaral and his followers inflicted so much damage on The McCanns and Madeleine when there has never been a scrap op Proof against them.
I have always known that they are wrong.  It is beyond me to understand the reasons for why HCW and his followers inflicted so much damage on CB when there has never been a scrap op Proof against him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 10:12:16 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:07:42 AM
I have always known that they are wrong.  It is beyond me to understand the reasons for why HCW and his followers inflicted so much damage on CB when there has never been a scrap op Proof against him.

Are you lost for words
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:14:17 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:07:42 AM
I have always known that they are wrong.  It is beyond me to understand the reasons for why HCW and his followers inflicted so much damage on CB when there has never been a scrap op Proof against him.

Rape, Sexual Abuse Against Small Children and Drug Charges.  Small Beer, eh what.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:07:42 AM
I have always known that they are wrong.  It is beyond me to understand the reasons for why HCW and his followers inflicted so much damage on CB when there has never been a scrap op Proof against him.
The archiving report said no evidence of any crime..PD Carmo..no evidence ,no suspects,.  .. both SY and The Germans have ruled out the McCanns..yet CB...the evidence is so strong that MM was murdered by our suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:21:56 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:14:17 AM
Rape, Sexual Abuse Against Small Children and Drug Charges.  Small Beer, eh what.
Try sticking to the allegation. I'll help you out: a phone call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 10:22:04 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:01:43 AM
I would suggest that the overwhelming majority couldn't give a rats ass either way.
£51 says it doesn't even go to trial.
£13.20 says he instigates civil proceedings against the BKA within 6 months.






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Your "paypal" schtick is boring me now.  You need to get a new scriptwriter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 10:16:45 AM
The archiving report said no evidence of any crime..PD Carmo..no evidence ,no suspects,.  .. both SY and The Germans have ruled out the McCanns..yet CB...the evidence is so strong that MM was murdered by our suspect
Who's even mentioned the McCanns? .........'Desperado, why don't you come to your senses?.....do.....doo....do....do...do....'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:24:13 AM
Who's even mentioned the McCanns? .........'Desperado, why don't you come to your senses?.....do.....doo....do....do...do....'
Are you sleep typing..you responded to a post mentioning the McCanns ten minutes ago
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 10:27:12 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
Playing the long game.
I trust in CB's new legal team as being trustworthy and competent, we will see....blah....blah......see how that shoe fits both feet?

Edit: they're probably in negotiations with Warner Bros or an other big studio for the ongoing rights.
The fact that you think a child molester and violent rapist currently doing time actually stands to make big bucks from selling the rights to his story for big bucks shows how utterly illogical and screwy your thought processes are. IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 10:22:04 AM
Your "paypal" schtick is boring me now.  You need to get a new scriptwriter.
Babe, your constant elliptical sarcasm was passé years ago. Your crutch; your wind-up game, such as it is, is in terminal decline, which has rendered your continued presence here as useful as a G Plan occasional table; an inanimate object that, on the face of it could remain useful, but is actually just an outmoded encumbrance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 10:33:21 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:31:40 AM
Babe, your constant elliptical sarcasm was passé years ago. Your crutch; your wind-up game, such as it is, is in terminal decline, which has rendered your continued presence here as useful as a G Plan occasional table; an inanimate object that, on the face of it could remain useful, but is actually just an outmoded encumbrance.

You seem to have written your own epitaph
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 10:12:16 AM
Are you lost for words

I think The General was just pointing out my miniscule spelling mistake, which I can't be bothered to correct.

And here's another one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 10:27:12 AM
The fact that you think a child molester and violent rapist currently doing time actually stands to make big bucks from selling the rights to his story for big bucks shows how utterly illogical and screwy your thought processes are. IMO.
Thank you. Once again you has demonstrated that your are utterly incapable of mentally unpeeling the onion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:36:03 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:21:56 AM
Try sticking to the allegation. I'll help you out: a phone call.

O2 97 28 83 91.  Mme. Lang.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:36:31 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 10:33:21 AM
You seem to have written your own epitaph
Good job you came up with that on VS' behalf. And as a bonus it was intelligible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:31:40 AM
Babe, your constant elliptical sarcasm was passé years ago. Your crutch; your wind-up game, such as it is, is in terminal decline, which has rendered your continued presence here as useful as a G Plan occasional table; an inanimate object that, on the face of it could remain useful, but is actually just an outmoded encumbrance.
Too many words to say "you're shit, I don't like you"  but I get the message.  The feeling is mutual  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:33:56 AM
I think The General was just pointing out my miniscule spelling mistake, which I can't be bothered to correct.

And here's another one.
I wasn't. I was pointing out the sum total of evidence against CB.
That's why we're picking the corn out of the Jaguar number plates turd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 10:39:48 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:36:31 AM
Good job you came up with that on VS' behalf. And as a bonus it was intelligible.

And pertinent...its  a shame the majority of your input  is directed in personal attacks
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:40:59 AM

There is absolutely no need for gratuitous insults.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:41:59 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:40:59 AM
There is absolutely no need for gratuitous insults.
Agreed. Perhaps you could have a word with VS?
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 10:42:25 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:35:19 AM
Thank you. Once again you has demonstrated that your are utterly incapable of mentally unpeeling the onion.
Explain how then.  Go on, do your good deed for the day and educate an imbecile. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:39:16 AM
I wasn't. I was pointing out the sum total of evidence against CB.
That's why we're picking the corn out of the Jaguar number plates turd.

You dont know the sum total of evidene against CB...based on what Wolters is saying theres alot more than is in the public domain whih would expalin why he is unfairly continually ridiculed by some posters here. First it was SY that was continually attacked ...now its HCW. Basically...to me it seems anyone who speaks sense about the case is fair game to some posters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 10:39:48 AM
And pertinent...its  a shame the majority of your input  is directed in personal attacks
Well you will poke the bear.
I suggest you give a few more supporters a nudge for the piley on. They'll be required, given the level of the latest attempts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:41:59 AM
Agreed. Perhaps you could have a word with VS?
Thanks in advance.
Touchy aren't you?  I simply suggested that you needed to come up with some new material as the £48 bet payable via Paypal routine was getting a bit stale and you launched into a venomous tirade by return.  Calm down dear, it's only bants.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:45:28 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:41:59 AM
Agreed. Perhaps you could have a word with VS?
Thanks in advance.

You are much more prolific.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
You dont know the sum total of evidene against CB...based on what Wolters is saying theres alot more than is in the public domain whih would expalin why he is unfairly continually ridiculed by some posters here. First it was SY that was continually attacked ...now its HCW. Basically...to me it seems anyone who speaks sense about the case is fair game to some posters
There's no attack here. I'm simply unpacking the statements and giving a rational explanation.
He said himself tracing the caller to CB's phone was key - so much so that he had to go public, which I'm sure is a last resort. It yielded nothing.
I say again, we are at a legal impasse. Put up or shut up. S*** or get off the pot as they say in Burnley.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:50:04 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 10:45:05 AM
Touchy aren't you?  I simply suggested that you needed to come up with some new material as the £48 bet payable via Paypal routine was getting a bit stale and you launched into a venomous tirade by return.  Calm down dear, it's only bants.
You are too kind - venomous tirade? That was a mere trifle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 10:52:53 AM

I will be Deleting any further gratuitous insults.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 10:56:22 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:47:09 AM
There's no attack here. I'm simply unpacking the statements and giving a rational explanation.
He said himself tracing the caller to CB's phone was key - so much so that he had to go public, which I'm sure is a last resort. It yielded nothing.
I say again, we are at a legal impasse. Put up or shut up. S*** or get off the pot as they say in Burnley.
I'm not sure how much you and other posters are aware of everything CB has said. His statement that the evidence they have is do strong that MM was murdered is pretty clear to me...yet you and others want to think theres no evidence against him

How do you reconcile that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 10:42:25 AM
Explain how then.  Go on, do your good deed for the day and educate an imbecile.
OK, so your original jibe was scoffing at the plausibility of money being generated by the trial - Warner Bros, etc.
It was only semi-tongue in cheek. If this ever goes to trial, which I doubt, the world will be watching (not literally, as I'm sure all German trials are held in camera). When people watch there's money to be made. Our own tabloids are testament to that, 13 years of utter flip-flopping crap.
Hollywood beckons for all protagonists whether they want it or not. Book deals, interviews, magazine pieces, film rights, documentary rights.....it's limitless, commemorative mugs, pens, t-shirts.
It's a great time to be a top German defence lawyer. If he's found not guilty - multipy by 100.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 11:00:09 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
OK, so your original jibe was scoffing at the plausibility of money being generated by the trial - Warner Bros, etc.
It was only semi-tongue in cheek. If this ever goes to trial, which I doubt, the world will be watching (not literally, as I'm sure all German trials are held in camera). When people watch there's money to be made. Our own tabloids are testament to that, 13 years of utter flip-flopping crap.
Hollywood beckons for all protagonists whether they want it or not. Book deals, interviews, magazine pieces, film rights, documentary rights.....it's limitless, commemorative mugs, pens, t-shirts.
It's a great time to be a top German defence lawyer. If he's found not guilty - multipy by 100.

I think you are dreaming...perhaps t shirts in children's sizes.
CB is not marketable..even if never charged. ...apart from the fact that if and when Wolters released his evidence things will be even worse for him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
OK, so your original jibe was scoffing at the plausibility of money being generated by the trial - Warner Bros, etc.
It was only semi-tongue in cheek. If this ever goes to trial, which I doubt, the world will be watching (not literally, as I'm sure all German trials are held in camera). When people watch there's money to be made. Our own tabloids are testament to that, 13 years of utter flip-flopping crap.
Hollywood beckons for all protagonists whether they want it or not. Book deals, interviews, magazine pieces, film rights, documentary rights.....it's limitless, commemorative mugs, pens, t-shirts.
It's a great time to be a top German defence lawyer. If he's found not guilty - multipy by 100.
And I think you are just plain wrong.  A film / book / mug / pen etc in which the "hero" who gets off is also a child molester and violent rapist OR the guy who got him off the charge is never going to be a Hollywood money-spinner.  IMO. 
*awaits further insults about mental capacity*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2021, 11:01:02 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on January 11, 2021, 01:48:55 AM
More bullshit in the race to incriminate Maddie suspect.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-push-find-23294243

Ah, the infamous missing jigsaw piece that some one has secreted in their pocket, or under a stone perhaps.

Looks like a rehash of 2020 - re-interviewing existing witnesses - tripartite police conference in Portugal
No mention of anything new, it would seem and information about the all-important phone call is so far unanswered - maybe a wrong number.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 11:01:13 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
OK, so your original jibe was scoffing at the plausibility of money being generated by the trial - Warner Bros, etc.
It was only semi-tongue in cheek. If this ever goes to trial, which I doubt, the world will be watching (not literally, as I'm sure all German trials are held in camera). When people watch there's money to be made. Our own tabloids are testament to that, 13 years of utter flip-flopping crap.
Hollywood beckons for all protagonists whether they want it or not. Book deals, interviews, magazine pieces, film rights, documentary rights.....it's limitless, commemorative mugs, pens, t-shirts.
It's a great time to be a top German defence lawyer. If he's found not guilty - multipy by 100.

Will they show The Video of The Rape do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 11:03:03 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 11, 2021, 11:01:02 AM
Ah, the infamous missing jigsaw piece that some one has secreted in their pocket, or under a stone perhaps.

Looks like a rehash of 2020 - re-interviewing existing witnesses - tripartite police conference in Portugal
No mention of anything new, it would seem and information about the all-important phone call is so far unanswered - maybe a wrong number.

A call that lasted for half an hour?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:03:08 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 11:00:09 AM
I think you are dreaming...perhaps t shirts in children's sizes.
CB is not marketable..even if never charged. ...apart from the fact that if and when Wolters released his evidence things will be even worse for him
EXACTLY THIS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 11, 2021, 11:05:56 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 10:39:16 AM
I wasn't. I was pointing out the sum total of evidence against CB.
That's why we're picking the corn out of the Jaguar number plates turd.

You can tell how meagre the evidential rations are by the way the faithful have fallen, delirious with hunger on this named source free slice of weevil infested garbage burger.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2021, 11:06:43 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 11:03:03 AM
A call that lasted for half an hour?

No, wrong number as in not Brueckner's phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 10:56:22 AM
I'm not sure how much you and other posters are aware of everything CB has said. His statement that the evidence they have is do strong that MM was murdered is pretty clear to me...yet you and others want to think theres no evidence against him

How do you reconcile that
Again, I've never said that.
I refer you to my previous post - HCW told the world he does not have enough evidence, which is actually the same as having none in legal terms. He showed his hand and requested the public's help in tracing a caller to CB, which yielded nothing as he told us that too.
He has to arrest him to have any chance of breaking the limbo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 11, 2021, 11:05:56 AM
You can tell how meagre the evidential rations are by the way the faithful have fallen, delirious with hunger on this named source free slice of weevil infested garbage burger.

Another one in total denial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 11:01:13 AM
Will they show The Video of The Rape do you think?
Jon Benet Ramsay. It's now a bona fide industry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 11, 2021, 11:05:56 AM
You can tell how meagre the evidential rations are by the way the faithful have fallen, delirious with hunger on this named source free slice of weevil infested garbage burger.
Can anyone translate this for me?  I have borderline imbecility and don't fully understand the gratuitous insult that is being made here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:09:19 AM
Jon Benet Ramsay. It's now a bona fide industry.

For those found not guilty with no previous...where its clear they have been unfairly targetted..

But not to a convicted paedophile...rapist. as I said...you are dreaming
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 11, 2021, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 11:01:13 AM
Will they show The Video of The Rape do you think?

I’m sure it was destroyed and even if it wasn’t it would be absolutely irrelevant to this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:11:36 AM
Can anyone translate this for me?  I have borderline imbecility and don't fully understand the gratuitous insult that is being made here.

There are those who beleive that if their posts are gift wrapped it will disguise the paucity of the contents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:09:19 AM
Jon Benet Ramsay. It's now a bona fide industry.
The Ramsays were never convicted child molesters or rapists were they?  How much money did they and their lawyers make out of this industry anyway - perhaps you can supply a link, also to the Hollywood film (which I must have missed).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 11, 2021, 11:12:09 AM
I’m sure it was destroyed and even if it wasn’t it would be absolutely irrelevant to this case.
And inadmissible as evidence as it is not germane.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:38:08 AM
And inadmissible as evidence as it is not germane.
I think Eleanor was referring to the Hollywood film that was going to be made when Bruckner sells his life story for big bucks to Warner Bros - a renactment of our "hero's" previous. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
The Ramsays were never convicted child molesters or rapists were they?  How much money did they and their lawyers make out of this industry anyway - perhaps you can supply a link, also to the Hollywood film (which I must have missed).
Wait, let's look at the statement again - is there an industry? Netflix have a new series THIS WEEK. True crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 11, 2021, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:38:08 AM
And inadmissible as evidence as it is not germane.

Indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 11:49:52 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 11, 2021, 11:06:43 AM
No, wrong number as in not Brueckner's phone.

So this phone wasn't registered in Bruekner's name?  That's a new one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:11:36 AM
Can anyone translate this for me?  I have borderline imbecility and don't fully understand the gratuitous insult that is being made here.

No, nor do I.  This helps sometimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:52:07 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:40:21 AM
I think Eleanor was referring to the Hollywood film that was going to be made when Bruckner sells his life story for big bucks to Warner Bros - a renactment of our "hero's" previous.
Elliptical quasi-sarcasm. You've re-invented / re-hashed a turn of the century genre specifically for forum posting that evolved in the golden age of the internet.
I bet your still waiting for an unwitting member to take one of these posts literally and take the bait.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 11, 2021, 11:12:09 AM
I’m sure it was destroyed and even if it wasn’t it would be absolutely irrelevant to this case.

He's not going to do it again you mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 11, 2021, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 11:52:57 AM
He's not going to do it again you mean?

Oh if let out I’m sure he’ll do it again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:57:32 AM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Wait, let's look at the statement again - is there an industry? Netflix have a new series THIS WEEK. True crime.
And?  You have claimed that Bruckner and his shit-hot lawyers will make a fortune out of his failure to be convicted, and you are citing a Netflix documentary about Jon Benet Ramsay as your evidence for this claim?  And are ignoring the fact that unlike the Ramsays (who you have not as yet provided any evidence of enrichment from selling their story to Netflix) Bruckner is in prison for a serious sex crime and has done time for child abuse.  Yet you think studios will be lining up to hand over big bags of cash to this lowlife s..m in order to portray his year from hell as a suspect in the Madeleine case?  It's going to be quite a dull film isn't it?  Or will it follow our hero's exploits as he whips out his todger in front of little kids, carries our burglaries and rapes an old woman, as a precis to his terrible ordeal at the hands of HCW?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 11:52:57 AM
He's not going to do it again you mean?
No, meaning his criminal past is inadmissible as evidence if a trial were ever to come to fruition. But you knew that.
Having said that, just about every judge in Germany by now must have been informally fully appraised of both CB's actual criminal past and alleged.
Which is why HCW was able to take the extraordinary step of all but naming him and let the press do the rest. (See, even HCW knows the world-wide appeal of this case - I bet he can't shit without them wanting to know what colour)
If they had jury trials even a two-bit defence lawyer would quickly move to quash due to the jury pool being irredeemably and irrevocably contaminated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 12:00:29 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:52:07 AM
Elliptical quasi-sarcasm. You've re-invented / re-hashed a turn of the century genre specifically for forum posting that evolved in the golden age of the internet.
I bet your still waiting for an unwitting member to take one of these posts literally and take the bait.
Being an imbecile I have no idea to what you are referring when you say "you've re-invented / re-hashed a turn of the century genre specifically for forum posting that evolved in the golden age of the internet".   Proud to be smart enough to do "elliptical quasi-sarcasm" though - Hey, isn't Quasi Sarcasm a Tory MP?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 11, 2021, 11:55:46 AM
Oh if let out I’m sure he’ll do it again.

So am I.  That's the problem.

He needs to be Sectioned but I don't suppose many will go for that idea.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 11:57:32 AM
And?  You have claimed that Bruckner and his shit-hot lawyers will make a fortune out of his failure to be convicted, and you are citing a Netflix documentary about Jon Benet Ramsay as your evidence for this claim?  And are ignoring the fact that unlike the Ramsays (who you have not as yet provided any evidence of enrichment from selling their story to Netflix) Bruckner is in prison for a serious sex crime and has done time for child abuse.  Yet you think studios will be lining up to hand over big bags of cash to this lowlife s..m in order to portray his year from hell as a suspect in the Madeleine case?  It's going to be quite a dull film isn't it?  Or will it follow our hero's exploits as he whips out his todger in front of little kids, carries our burglaries and rapes an old woman, as a precis to his terrible ordeal at the hands of HCW?
no
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 12:00:57 PM
no
So when you said "Hollywood beckons" what did you mean exactly?  Or was that Kwasi-Kwarteng elliptical doo dah?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 12:00:37 PM
So am I.  That's the problem.

He needs to be Sectioned but I don't suppose many will go for that idea.
I don't care what happens to him.
But he's going to be released in about 3 years unfortunately.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 12:05:29 PM
How much money did the McCanns and their shit-hot lawyers make out of the umpteen part Netflix series about Madeleine's disappearance?  Please provide evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 12:07:25 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
No, meaning his criminal past is inadmissible as evidence if a trial were ever to come to fruition. But you knew that.
Having said that, just about every judge in Germany by now must have been informally fully appraised of both CB's actual criminal past and alleged.
Which is why HCW was able to take the extraordinary step of all but naming him and let the press do the rest. (See, even HCW knows the world-wide appeal of this case - I bet he can't shit without them wanting to know what colour)
If they had jury trials even a two-bit defence lawyer would quickly move to quash due to the jury pool being irredeemably and irrevocably contaminated.
Wolters has already addressed this point on the MS podcast...it seems he knows what he is doing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 12:09:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
So when you said "Hollywood beckons" what did you mean exactly?  Or was that Kwasi-Kwarteng elliptical doo dah?
...for the protagonists. It was a catch all term used to demonstrate the point that the trough will be prepared for all to dip their snouts in.
Let's put it this way, for example, do you think HCW will still be a middling policeman if he brings CB to justice?
No. He will have a book deal struck before the trial (that won't happen) finishes.
His only decision will be Robert Downey Jnr or Benjamin Cummerbund as his preferred choice of actor to play him.
Amazon, Netflix, Audible, Penguin, Joe Rogan, Oprah, Richard and Judy, Titchmarsh......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 12:07:25 PM
Wolters has already addressed this point on the MS podcast...it seems he knows what he is doing
'Seems' he does. He knew the appeal of the case; throw the press a bone and they will fill in the blanks for him - 'it wasn't me guvnor, I didn't mention him once'. Decent tactics.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 12:11:56 PM
'Seems' he does. He knew the appeal of the case; throw the press a bone and they will fill in the blanks for him - 'it wasn't me guvnor, I didn't mention him once'. Decent tactics.
No one complained when the press named the killers of Steven  Lawrence... what's changed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 12:09:34 PM
...for the protagonists. It was a catch all term used to demonstrate the point that the trough will be prepared for all to dip their snouts in.
Let's put it this way, for example, do you think HCW will still be a middling policeman if he brings CB to justice?
No. He will have a book deal struck before the trial (that won't happen) finishes.
His only decision will be Robert Downey Jnr or Benjamin Cummerbund as his preferred choice of actor to play him.
Amazon, Netflix, Audible, Penguin, Joe Rogan, Oprah, Richard and Judy, Titchmarsh......
Goalpost shifting on a massive scale. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 12:34:56 PM
Goalpost shifting on a massive scale.
Show me......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 12:56:48 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 12:41:54 PM
Show me......

"Playing the long game.
I trust in CB's new legal team as being trustworthy and competent, we will see....blah....blah......see how that shoe fits both feet?

Edit: they're probably in negotiations with Warner Bros or an other big studio for the ongoing rights".

Now you're suggesting that it's actually HCW who stands to profit from this (if he secures a successful conviction), which is a possibility I grant you.  What is NOT a possibility (in the Real World) is that CB's lawyers or CB himself are going to get rich as a direct result of selling the rights to his sorry tale to a film studio or publisher as you suggested above.

Goalpost shifting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 01:10:05 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 12:04:19 PM
I don't care what happens to him.
But he's going to be released in about 3 years unfortunately.

It will be a bit longer than that, but not long enough.  And then Germany will have to deal with him.  Although I doubt that he will get far undetected.

He is a dangerous man.  And will remain so for years yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:11:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 12:56:48 PM
"Playing the long game.
I trust in CB's new legal team as being trustworthy and competent, we will see....blah....blah......see how that shoe fits both feet?

Edit: they're probably in negotiations with Warner Bros or an other big studio for the ongoing rights".

Now you're suggesting that it's actually HCW who stands to profit from this (if he secures a successful conviction), which is a possibility I grant you.  What is NOT a possibility (in the Real World) is that CB's lawyers or CB himself are going to get rich as a direct result of selling the rights to his sorry tale to a film studio or publisher as you suggested above.

Goalpost shifting.
Anyone. I said any protagonist.
Even a convicted paedophile rapist would get a book deal - there are no morals where money is concerned.
They will. They may have already struck a deal to work pro bono.
If it went to trial (and it won't, sadly) it would be like shelling peas for CB's hired guns. They just need to choose a defence of the many at their disposal. I'd go all in with 3rd party culp, then find a decent strawman - Smithman.

I can see the book now - The Strawman by General Scheisskopf; A fit up gone wrong, a strawman defence and the enduring mystery of the fate of a little girl the world took to their hearts.
It's got legs. Like a G Plan table.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 12:31:55 PM
No one complained when the press named the killers of Steven  Lawrence... what's changed

You do know that there's a difference between what journalists say and what judicial employees say?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 01:11:47 PM
You do know that there's a difference between what journalists say and what judicial employees say?
Plus the difference between pointing out the inherent legal 'unfairness' as a concept and 'complaining'.
Another strawman, albeit of the logical fallacy kind, as opposed to the legal strategy. We could hold our own Burning Man festival here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 01:16:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 12:56:48 PM
"Playing the long game.
I trust in CB's new legal team as being trustworthy and competent, we will see....blah....blah......see how that shoe fits both feet?

Edit: they're probably in negotiations with Warner Bros or an other big studio for the ongoing rights".

Now you're suggesting that it's actually HCW who stands to profit from this (if he secures a successful conviction), which is a possibility I grant you.  What is NOT a possibility (in the Real World) is that CB's lawyers or CB himself are going to get rich as a direct result of selling the rights to his sorry tale to a film studio or publisher as you suggested above.

Goalpost shifting.

I don't know why Brueckner's Lawyers are doing this, unless they want an influx of s..m bags.  But everybody has got to have one.  And just how many s..m bags are there in Germany?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 01:11:47 PM
You do know that there's a difference between what journalists say and what judicial employees say?
The point still stands..no one seemed worried when the press accused the suspects in the Lawrence case. At least in Germany the Judges can be relied pin to make sure the trial is fair
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:37:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 01:16:37 PM
I don't know why Brueckner's Lawyers are doing this, unless they want an influx of s..m bags.  But everybody has got to have one.  And just how many s..m bags are there in Germany?
They're doing it because it's their job. And, as a defence lawyer, who wouldn't want the biggest case in Germany since Nuremberg*, particularly as it would be a slam dunk win.





*Other trials may lay claim to this title, but I just made it up and maybe the press can use it if it ever comes to fruition. Can someone trademark / copyright a slogan on an internet forum where 7 people argue with each other about crap? I could get on the Ching Ching Train early.....CHOO CHOOO.
News Anchor "It's been dubbed the biggest trial in Germany since Nuremberg, only this time evil has only one face; the face of a rapist paedophile, who's left eye turned itself in even when he refused to".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 01:43:18 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:11:31 PM
Anyone. I said any protagonist.
Even a convicted paedophile rapist would get a book deal - there are no morals where money is concerned.
They will. They may have already struck a deal to work pro bono.
If it went to trial (and it won't, sadly) it would be like shelling peas for CB's hired guns. They just need to choose a defence of the many at their disposal. I'd go all in with 3rd party culp, then find a decent strawman - Smithman.

I can see the book now - The Strawman by General Scheisskopf; A fit up gone wrong, a strawman defence and the enduring mystery of the fate of a little girl the world took to their hearts.
It's got legs. Like a G Plan table.
No.  You're quite wrong about that, IMO.  There ARE morals in business, even if you refuse to accept it, and there is no money in marketing a book by a convicted child abuser and rapist - it would reflect hugely badly on the publishing house and no one with any decency would buy it.  Who wants to read the snivelling justifications of a child sex abuser and rapist?  You might I suppose...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:37:09 PM
They're doing it because it's their job. And, as a defence lawyer, who wouldn't want the biggest case in Germany since Nuremberg*, particularly as it would be a slam dunk win.





*Other trials may lay claim to this title, but I just made it up and maybe the press can use it if it ever comes to fruition. Can someone trademark / copyright a slogan on an internet forum where 7 people argue with each other about crap? I could get on the Ching Ching Train early.....CHOO CHOOO.
News Anchor "It's been dubbed the biggest trial in Germany since Nuremberg, only this time evil has only one face; the face of a rapist paedophile, who's left eye turned itself in even when he refused to".
It's seems his previous lawyers didn't want it but so agree with the first part of what you say. I don't see s slam dunk win because so don't know what evidence Wolters has...but from what I have read he will only go to trial if he has a chance of success. It will be fascinating
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 01:43:18 PM
No.  You're quite wrong about that, IMO.  There ARE morals in business, even if you refuse to accept it, and there is no money in marketing a book by a convicted child abuser and rapist - it would reflect hugely badly on the publishing house and no one with any decency would buy it.  Who wants to read the snivelling justifications of a child sex abuser and rapist?  You might I suppose...

I think the general is living in a bygone non woke age.
The actor who seems to have ended his career because he apologized for being white on question time....what chance a  rapist paedophile
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 01:43:18 PM
No.  You're quite wrong about that, IMO.  There ARE morals in business, even if you refuse to accept it, and there is no money in marketing a book by a convicted child abuser and rapist - it would reflect hugely badly on the publishing house and no one with any decency would buy it.  Who wants to read the snivelling justifications of a sex abuser and rapist?  You might I suppose...
You're forgetting the 'i'm innocent' angle. If he gets off he could play the persecution card, not that he'd have to.
Ostensibly, in this case in isolation, he is. All that matters......'sign here Mr. B. Congratulations, you're now on the Ching Ching Train....now gimme a Choo Choo in German!'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 01:11:47 PM
You do know that there's a difference between what journalists say and what judicial employees say?
It's been pointed out that judicial employees have named suspects in several high profile cases in this country to very little outrage it would seem....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 01:49:38 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:37:09 PM
They're doing it because it's their job. And, as a defence lawyer, who wouldn't want the biggest case in Germany since Nuremberg*, particularly as it would be a slam dunk win.





*Other trials may lay claim to this title, but I just made it up and maybe the press can use it if it ever comes to fruition. Can someone trademark / copyright a slogan on an internet forum where 7 people argue with each other about crap? I could get on the Ching Ching Train early.....CHOO CHOOO.
News Anchor "It's been dubbed the biggest trial in Germany since Nuremberg, only this time evil has only one face; the face of a rapist paedophile, who's left eye turned itself in even when he refused to".

Nuremberg?  Oh Dear.  And we all know what happened there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 01:51:03 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:47:33 PM
You're forgetting the 'i'm innocent' angle. If he gets off he could play the persecution card, not that he'd have to.
Ostensibly, in this case in isolation, he is. All that matters......'sign here Mr. B. Congratulations, you're now on the Ching Ching Train....now gimme a Choo Choo in German!'
That's the bit you just don't seem to get.  He is NOT INNOCENT.  He is a convicted burglar, child abuser and rapist, never mind anything else.  The general public tends not to like or support such people or enrich them with licensing and book deals.  I'm staggered that I need to keep on pointing this out. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:47:33 PM
You're forgetting the 'i'm innocent' angle. If he gets off he could play the persecution card, not that he'd have to.
Ostensibly, in this case in isolation, he is. All that matters......'sign here Mr. B. Congratulations, you're now on the Ching Ching Train....now gimme a Choo Choo in German!'

You really aren't very funny.  You seem to be talking gibberish mostly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:53:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 01:47:17 PM
I think the general is living in a bygone non woke age.
The actor who seems to have ended his career because he apologized for being white on question time....what chance a  rapist paedophile
Ironically, the woke angle would infuse further outrage, which would push sales, particularly with the woke antagonists. 'It's a big market. I like it. Let's push it on Rogan when we get on'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 01:51:03 PM
That's the bit you just don't seem to get.  He is NOT INNOCENT.  He is a convicted burglar, child abuser and rapist, never mind anything else.  The general public tends not to like or support such people or enrich them with licensing and book deals.  I'm staggered that I need to keep on pointing this out.
He's innocent of this crime we're discussing. Everything else is manageable marketing noise. Put him in dungarees and give him Cleetus as his middle name - CCB. The dumkopf angle. Now there's a market.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 01:56:47 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:55:19 PM
He's innocent of this crime we're discussing. Everything else is manageable marketing noise. Put him in dungarees and give him Cleetus as his middle name - CCB. The dumkopf angle. Now there's a market.
You're just being ridiculous now IMO.  I think you know when you're beat and this is one of those occasions.  Best to dial down the wisecracks now IMO, you're just looking sillier and sillier with each post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 01:49:38 PM
Nuremberg?  Oh Dear.  And we all know what happened there.
I know, bringing Nazi war criminals to trial to be held to account. I suppose they were persecuted by the general public and the press? (One from VS' playbook there).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 01:59:09 PM

Anymore CHOO CHOO CHING CHING and I will be Deleting the whole comment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 01:56:47 PM
You're just being ridiculous now IMO.  I think you know when you're beat and this is one of those occasions.  Best to dial down the wisecracks now IMO, you're just looking sillier and sillier with each post.
I'm doubling down. I'll state it again, for posterity, although it's all notional as it ain't gonna happen.
But I will guarantee he will be offered all manner of endorsements for film and TV for his story. There's a decent chance his lawyers are already batting away potential suitors, as abhorrent as that may seem for some.
His lawyers will be overnight celebrities and may even have struck a deal for percentages of all future royalties.
No trains here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 02:03:25 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:47:33 PM
You're forgetting the 'i'm innocent' angle. If he gets off he could play the persecution card, not that he'd have to.
Ostensibly, in this case in isolation, he is. All that matters......'sign here Mr. B. Congratulations, you're now on the Ching Ching Train....now gimme a Choo Choo in German!'

You are forgetting he won't be found innocent..possibly Not guilty but lots of evidence of guilt. Then his past history will come in to play...or do you think Nike might make trainers with the slogan....run like Breukner
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 01:59:09 PM
Anymore CHOO CHOO CHING CHING and I will be Deleting the whole comment.
Oh great, I just posted one. Hang on......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:05:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 02:03:25 PM
You are forgetting he won't be found innocent..possibly Not guilty but lots of evidence of guilt. Then his past history will come in to play...or do you think Nike might make trainers with the slogan....run like Breukner
Nah that's rubbish. Didn't Do It. That's better.
Doesn't matter if he's not innocent, or found not guilty......it's all money. Netflix may already have been in touch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 02:09:34 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:05:51 PM
Nah that's rubbish. Didn't Do It. That's better.
Doesn't matter if he's not innocent, or found not guilty......it's all money. Netflix may already have been in touch.


I realise you dont believe a word you are saying...no one could be that delusional...could they?

Do you watch netflix...the Serpent is very entertaining. Did any of those portrayed receive any money. Thers a Bowie biopic...are his family receiving anything. you are making an assumption that anyone will receive anything.

Can real life popeel be portrayed in films  without reeiving a royalty...how much are the Royal family receiving for the Crown....I dont think they even need permission

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 01:47:59 PM
It's been pointed out that judicial employees have named suspects in several high profile cases in this country to very little outrage it would seem....

Really? Did they publicly accuse their suspects of murder by any chance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 02:11:17 PM
Really? Did they publicly accuse their suspects of murder by any chance?

This is part of the evidence that makes me think HCW has his concrete evidence...my beleif is certainly not blind faith
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:55:19 PM
He's innocent of this crime we're discussing. Everything else is manageable marketing noise. Put him in dungarees and give him Cleetus as his middle name - CCB. The dumkopf angle. Now there's a market.

for him to claim innocence he will need to prove it...otherwise its just his opinion...not a fact and not a legal fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 02:23:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 02:18:02 PM
for him to claim innocence he will need to prove it...otherwise its just his opinion...not a fact and not a legal fact

Innocence doesn't need to be proved, guilt does. Six months after appealing for help from the public there are no signs that the German prosecutor has enough evidence to arrest his suspect, let alone to prove his guilt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
I know, bringing Nazi war criminals to trial to be held to account. I suppose they were persecuted by the general public and the press? (One from VS' playbook there).
What the hell are you on about now?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:24:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 02:09:34 PM

I realise you dont believe a word you are saying...no one could be that delusional...could they?

Do you watch netflix...the Serpent is very entertaining. Did any of those portrayed receive any money. Thers a Bowie biopic...are his family receiving anything. you are making an assumption that anyone will receive anything.

Can real life popeel be portrayed in films  without reeiving a royalty...how much are the Royal family receiving for the Crown....I dont think they even need permission
You want the inside track. Not some rehashed, third party nonsense. Make it visceral.

.....his lawyers, smart cookies. Literally a win / win, with absolutely no risk. If they lose (which they won't because it won't even go to trial), then they just play the lost cause card. They still have the inside track and they can sell it to the highest bidder. They still maintain a high profile in defence because defence lawyers lose 90% of cases.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 02:25:39 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:02:58 PM
I'm doubling down. I'll state it again, for posterity, although it's all notional as it ain't gonna happen.
But I will guarantee he will be offered all manner of endorsements for film and TV for his story. There's a decent chance his lawyers are already batting away potential suitors, as abhorrent as that may seem for some.
His lawyers will be overnight celebrities and may even have struck a deal for percentages of all future royalties.
No trains here.
What's not gonna happen? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 02:27:15 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:05:51 PM
Nah that's rubbish. Didn't Do It. That's better.
Doesn't matter if he's not innocent, or found not guilty......it's all money. Netflix may already have been in touch.
You're just on a wind up now, there can literally be no other explanation because we all know you are borderline genius and therefore not THAT stupid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 02:23:22 PM
Innocence doesn't need to be proved, guilt does. Six months after appealing for help from the public there are no signs that the German prosecutor has enough evidence to arrest his suspect, let alone to prove his guilt.

Do you seriously think that Brueckner will come out of this unblemished?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:33:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 02:25:39 PM
What's not gonna happen?
A trial.
The cash cow may be sacrificed for liberty, at least for his legal team.
They will make a play for a mistrial, maybe even some German legal device pre-trial to dismiss.
If I was a McCann supporter I'd have the same stance, whether any of you like it or not (all 3 of you), the legal process has been compromised and it will be irrefutable. Even the apparent preponderance of evidence will not save HCW. It won't even get through the revolving door at the lobby.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 02:34:17 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:24:42 PM
You want the inside track. Not some rehashed, third party nonsense. Make it visceral.

.....his lawyers, smart cookies. Literally a win / win, with absolutely no risk. If they lose (which they won't because it won't even go to trial), then they just play the lost cause card. They still have the inside track and they can sell it to the highest bidder. They still maintain a high profile in defence because defence lawyers lose 90% of cases.

You obviously don't understand how Netflix works...they don't need anything from the lawyers...there's a massive hole in your reasoning
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 02:27:34 PM
Do you seriously think that Brueckner will come out of this unblemished?
No. A grizzly end is in store for Cleetus.
I agree, if he somehow extricates himself from his current predicament and is set free, he may last a month.
Imagine the film / book / mini-series then!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 02:37:12 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:33:04 PM
A trial.
The cash cow may be sacrificed for liberty, at least for his legal team.
They will make a play for a mistrial, maybe even some German legal device pre-trial to dismiss.
If I was a McCann supporter I'd have the same stance, whether any of you like it or not (all 3 of you), the legal process has been compromised and it will be irrefutable. Even the apparent preponderance of evidence will not save HCW. It won't even get through the revolving door at the lobby.

Of course they will make s case that he can't receive a fair trial...normal practice but it won't wash. Herr Wolters is two goosesteps ahead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 02:37:53 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:35:33 PM
No. A grizzly end is in store for Cleetus.
I agree, if he somehow extricates himself from his current predicament and is set free, he may last a month.
Imagine the film / book / mini-series then!

Good God.  You aren't going to kill him, are you?  Or are you advocating that someone else should?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:33:04 PM
A trial.
The cash cow may be sacrificed for liberty, at least for his legal team.
They will make a play for a mistrial, maybe even some German legal device pre-trial to dismiss.
If I was a McCann supporter I'd have the same stance, whether any of you like it or not (all 3 of you), the legal process has been compromised and it will be irrefutable. Even the apparent preponderance of evidence will not save HCW. It won't even get through the revolving door at the lobby.
Whatever you say.  You clearly know everything about everything so I bow down to your superiority in all matters and hope sincerely you don't vanish into thin air when things don't turn out exactly as you have assured us they will. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:39:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 02:34:17 PM
You obviously don't understand how Netflix works...they don't need anything from the lawyers...there's a massive hole in your reasoning
Summers and Cygnet essentially sold their souls to Netflix....and they were 3rd messengers.
You want Johnny Cochrane up there Dav, cracking wise and giving us the inside dirt.
Even to this day Shapiro is wheeled out....'what did OJ whisper, Bob?'.

Like Christmas every day, like that song The Wizard's Slade sang, have you heard it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:35:33 PM
No. A grizzly end is in store for Cleetus.
I agree, if he somehow extricates himself from his current predicament and is set free, he may last a month.
Imagine the film / book / mini-series then!

I really think you are on a wind up...you can't possibly be serious.

The only one with any marketability is Wolters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:41:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 02:37:12 PM
Of course they will make s case that he can't receive a fair trial...normal practice but it won't wash. Herr Wolters is two goosesteps ahead
Hehehe....like it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:39:18 PM
Summers and Cygnet essentially sold their souls to Netflix....and they were 3rd messengers.
You want Johnny Cochrane up there Dav, cracking wise and giving us the inside dirt.
Even to this day Shapiro is wheeled out....'what did OJ whisper, Bob?'.

Like Christmas every day, like that song The Wizard's Slade sang, have you heard it?

How much do think Summers was paid...if anything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:45:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 02:37:53 PM
Good God.  You aren't going to kill him, are you?  Or are you advocating that someone else should?
This is old East Germany. Old habits.
The most atheistic country in the world, apparently.
Seriously though, if he does get out and sell his story he won't last, in my esteemed estimation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 02:49:37 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:45:17 PM
This is old East Germany. Old habits.
The most atheistic country in the world, apparently.
Seriously though, if he does get out and sell his story he won't last, in my esteemed estimation.

No one will buy it.  Any of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 02:51:20 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 02:39:18 PM
Summers and Cygnet essentially sold their souls to Netflix....and they were 3rd messengers.
You want Johnny Cochrane up there Dav, cracking wise and giving us the inside dirt.
Even to this day Shapiro is wheeled out....'what did OJ whisper, Bob?'.

Like Christmas every day, like that song The Wizard's Slade sang, have you heard it?
How much did the McCanns and their lawyers make out of the Netflix programme?  With evidence please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 02:43:51 PM
How much do think Summers was paid...if anything
£8 million I heard.  And as for the McCanns - they bought a new castle off the back of it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 02:27:34 PM
Do you seriously think that Brueckner will come out of this unblemished?

What do you mean by unblemished?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 03:22:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 11, 2021, 03:18:26 PM
What do you mean by unblemished?

its a joke...unless you think he will come out of this unblemished
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 03:22:47 PM
its a joke...unless you think he will come out of this unblemished
Some people on here seem to think that CB will forge a new career as a celeb doing interviews on Graham Norton and appearing at Cannes Film Festival, if recent posts are anything to go by...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2021, 02:51:20 PM
How much did the McCanns and their lawyers make out of the Netflix programme?  With evidence please.
Has there been a high-profile trial yet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 03:43:35 PM
Has there been a high-profile trial yet?
No, why would there need to be in order for them to make money out of Netflix?  Remember, according to you Bruckner is never going to trial and is instead going to be coining it in with the Film and Book deals, not to mention the range of Nonce Casual Wear he's going to be doing in association with Tesco's F & F label.  Did the Ramsays go to trial?  I seem to recall you cited that case earlier as your example.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 03:43:35 PM
Has there been a high-profile trial yet?

There have been lots of programmes made about high profile cases and trials..As I understand netflix nor any production company  have to pay  a penny to anyone
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 11, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 03:58:55 PM
There have been lots of programmes made about high profile cases and trials. a.As I understand netflix or any production company  doesnt have to pay  a penny to anyone
Just think, the biggest trial of the digital age.
Awesome potential for everyone to get their snout on the trough, some more than others.
Not Guilty? Wow. It'd be like Willy Wonka himself was printing Deutsche Marks with CCB's fisgog on 'em.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 04:31:36 PM
Quote from: The General on January 11, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Just think, the biggest trial of the digital age.
Awesome potential for everyone to get their snout on the trough, some more than others.
Not Guilty? Wow. It'd be like Willy Wonka himself was printing Deutsche Marks with CCB's fisgog on 'em.

Im starting to like it....I'm wondering if there could be  a part in it for me or if I could just write the screenplay...do you think we could work a lone wolf dog into it...did CB have a dog
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 04:31:36 PM
Im starting to like it....I'm wondering if there could be  a part in it for me or if I could just write the screenplay...do you think we could work a lone wolf dog into it...did CB have a dog
He did, but it died, that will be the tear-jerking moment in the movie, we’ll get John Williams to do the score.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2021, 04:49:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 11, 2021, 04:31:36 PM
Im starting to like it....I'm wondering if there could be  a part in it for me or if I could just write the screenplay...do you think we could work a lone wolf dog into it...did CB have a dog

It died, somehow.  He buried it on top of his stash of obscene pornography.  That would make a tear jerking scene, allegedly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2021, 06:53:45 PM
https://www.aepubs.eur.army.mil/Portals/18/docs/CLS-Germany.pdf

German judges are not supposed to hold the silence of a defendant against that person.225 In conclusion, there would appear to be few differences between the German and American systems arising from this body of law. A defendant or trial observer should keep in mind that a judge in the German system, who is focused on ascertaining all of the relevant facts, might look unfavorably on an individual’s silence because such silence is not customary. Unless a judge commits the error of explicitly stating he relied on such silence in reaching his verdict, however, there is no real way to discern a violation of this right. Of course, this difficulty is no different than in U.S. trials, since the ultimate basis for a verdict remains a mystery to all but the jury or, in some cases, the judge.

page45/46
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 12, 2021, 11:30:36 AM
Fulscher doesn't appear very enthusiastic about representing Brueckner, or on his baby-sitting abilities...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-bought-campervan-madeleine-mccann-23300766 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-bought-campervan-madeleine-mccann-23300766)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 12, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: Myster on January 12, 2021, 11:30:36 AM
Fulscher doesn't appear very enthusiastic about representing Brueckner, or on his baby-sitting abilities...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-bought-campervan-madeleine-mccann-23300766 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-bought-campervan-madeleine-mccann-23300766)
I don't see Fulscher mentioned in that article
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 12, 2021, 11:55:57 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 12, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
I don't see Fulscher mentioned in that article
Video at the top.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 12, 2021, 12:37:13 PM
Quote from: Myster on January 12, 2021, 11:30:36 AM
Fulscher doesn't appear very enthusiastic about representing Brueckner, or on his baby-sitting abilities...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-bought-campervan-madeleine-mccann-23300766 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-bought-campervan-madeleine-mccann-23300766)
If he's the best Germany has to offer in terms of defence lawyers I would be quite surprised....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 20, 2021, 05:50:18 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453015/Sniffer-dogs-tracked-Maddy-supermarket.html


Interesting article mentioning a black saloon..I dont think her statement is in the files
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 20, 2021, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 20, 2021, 05:50:18 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453015/Sniffer-dogs-tracked-Maddy-supermarket.html


Interesting article mentioning a black saloon..I dont think her statement is in the files
Therefore they must both be lying (Sceptics’ Law).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 20, 2021, 06:00:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 20, 2021, 05:52:56 PM
Therefore they must both be lying (Sceptics’ Law).

Of course. she says she gave along statement to the police but I dont see it in the files
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 20, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 20, 2021, 06:00:10 PM
Of course. she says she gave along statement to the police but I dont see it in the files

Amaral had made up his mind by then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 20, 2021, 06:19:58 PM
If she gave a statement where is it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 20, 2021, 06:21:48 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453015/Sniffer-dogs-tracked-Maddy-supermarket.html

A key witness has told police she saw two people in a car acting suspiciously near to the supermarket where tracker dogs lost Madeleine's scent giving rise to fears she was transferred to a vehicle.


I always love this bit.
So 2 guys sitting in a car. In what way did she think they were acting suspiciously ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 20, 2021, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 20, 2021, 06:21:48 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453015/Sniffer-dogs-tracked-Maddy-supermarket.html

A key witness has told police she saw two people in a car acting suspiciously near to the supermarket where tracker dogs lost Madeleine's scent giving rise to fears she was transferred to a vehicle.


I always love this bit.
So 2 guys sitting in a car. In what way did she think they were acting suspiciously ?

I've long since lost count of the amount of people seen acting suspiciously close to the McCanns apartment.

I often wonder if there were any people in the vicinity who weren't acting suspiciously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 20, 2021, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 20, 2021, 06:21:48 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453015/Sniffer-dogs-tracked-Maddy-supermarket.html

A key witness has told police she saw two people in a car acting suspiciously near to the supermarket where tracker dogs lost Madeleine's scent giving rise to fears she was transferred to a vehicle.


I always love this bit.
So 2 guys sitting in a car. In what way did she think they were acting suspiciously ?

One thing that seems to unify these kind of witnesses is that officials don’t appear to give a non descript ‘ acting suspiciously’ report much weight.

As to the ‘detectives’ they went to who listened, were this the parents PIs ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 20, 2021, 06:32:26 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 20, 2021, 06:29:30 PM
One thing that seems to unify these kind of witnesses is that officials don’t appear to give a non descript ‘ acting suspiciously’ report much weight.

As to the ‘detectives’ they went to who listened, were this the parents PIs ?
What, 4 days after the disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 20, 2021, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 20, 2021, 06:21:48 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453015/Sniffer-dogs-tracked-Maddy-supermarket.html

A key witness has told police she saw two people in a car acting suspiciously near to the supermarket where tracker dogs lost Madeleine's scent giving rise to fears she was transferred to a vehicle.


I always love this bit.
So 2 guys sitting in a car. In what way did she think they were acting suspiciously ?
“At around 8.30pm on Thursday Joyce saw a black saloon car reversing sharply close to where Madeleine went missing. Joyce hadn't seen the the two occupants before and they were acting in a very strange way”. If you want more information contact themmdirect or ask the PJ what they did with the statements.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 20, 2021, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 20, 2021, 06:29:30 PM
One thing that seems to unify these kind of witnesses is that officials don’t appear to give a non descript ‘ acting suspiciously’ report much weight.

As to the ‘detectives’ they went to who listened, were this the parents PIs ?

Or British police. There were a number of those on site
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 20, 2021, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 20, 2021, 06:36:47 PM
Or British police. There were a number of those on site
Within a couple of days of Madeleines disappearance?  Taking statements?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 20, 2021, 06:44:24 PM
Suspicious or not surely these two men needed to be identified
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 20, 2021, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 20, 2021, 06:44:24 PM
Suspicious or not surely these two men needed to be identified
Nah, the parents dunnit innit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 20, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 20, 2021, 06:44:24 PM
Suspicious or not surely these two men needed to be identified

I don't see why considering Brueckner has already been found guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 20, 2021, 07:05:37 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 20, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
I don't see why considering Brueckner has already been found guilty.
He may have been one of the men in the saloon car acting suspiciously, and if it had been properly investigated at the time this mystery may have been solved years ago. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 20, 2021, 07:06:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 20, 2021, 07:05:37 PM
He may have been one of the men in the saloon car acting suspiciously, and if it had been properly investigated at the time this mystery may have been solved years ago.

Well she's dead anyway so I don't think it really matters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 20, 2021, 07:08:28 PM
Bob and Joyce Joyce
https://www.independent.ie/life/joyces-dublin-in-print-30352233.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 20, 2021, 07:08:53 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 20, 2021, 07:06:30 PM
Well she's dead anyway so I don't think it really matters.
Nice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 20, 2021, 07:13:45 PM
I wonder if HCW is aware of the Joyce sighting?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 20, 2021, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 20, 2021, 07:08:53 PM
Nice.

Being nice won't solve the case.

But if the McCanns had been nicer to Maddie it might have prevented it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 20, 2021, 07:20:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 20, 2021, 07:13:45 PM
I wonder if HCW is aware of the Joyce sighting?

Grange are... Afaik... But only recently... About an hour ago

It's possible that Grange nor the BKK were aware of it as it doesn't seem to be in the files
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 20, 2021, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 20, 2021, 05:50:18 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453015/Sniffer-dogs-tracked-Maddy-supermarket.html


Interesting article mentioning a black saloon..I dont think her statement is in the files
The ‘saloon’ may have been Brückner’s Jag. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 20, 2021, 08:11:38 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 20, 2021, 08:09:01 PM
The ‘saloon’ may have been Brückner’s Jag. My opinion.

I'm sure that if Mrs Joyce had known the make of car then she would have said.
If she didn't, we will never know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 20, 2021, 08:31:21 PM
Hopefully  she will have been reinterviewed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 20, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Aye, for all the good it'll do.
If the Tapas 7 couldn't clearly remember events of a year previous that they were party to, what hope for a brief, casual observation  from an apartment 13 years ago?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 20, 2021, 08:49:24 PM
It only makes sense to think the occupants of the car were possibly observing that the McCanns had walked to the Tapas Restaurant. 
The full complement of the Tapas 9 did not get to the Tapas till after 9:00 PM.
When Gerry checked the apartment Madeleine was there so no abduction before then according to statements.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 20, 2021, 09:10:39 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 20, 2021, 08:49:24 PM
It only makes sense to think the occupants of the car were possibly observing that the McCanns had walked to the Tapas Restaurant. 
The full complement of the Tapas 9 did not get to the Tapas till after 9:00 PM.
When Gerry checked the apartment Madeleine was there so no abduction before then according to statements.

I think what makes sense is to identify everyone who was, around  there that evening.  For instance make an appeal for anyone around to come forward.  If these, two didn't come forward then look for them.  The problem was the PJ didn't do public appeals
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 01:49:53 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 20, 2021, 08:49:24 PM
It only makes sense to think the occupants of the car were possibly observing that the McCanns had walked to the Tapas Restaurant. 
The full complement of the Tapas 9 did not get to the Tapas till after 9:00 PM.
When Gerry checked the apartment Madeleine was there so no abduction before then according to statements.

It only makes sense to think that the people in the car were nothing to do with Madeleine’s abduction because they almost certainly weren’t.

Further after nearly £12 million pounds of taxpayers money and whatever the rest of the world has spent, multiple police forces and 10 years if the witness’s testimony hadn’t been checked out then the investigation really is doomed. IT WAS IN THE DAILY MAIL for pity’s sake...they really didn’t need to be brilliant detectives or to be honest even competent ones. “Are Grange and Wolter aware of the sighting”? IT WAS IN THE DAILY MAIL 13 years ago...do you think that they don’t read the media ?

Are things getting so desperate?

4 years, a worldwide appeal and not a sniff of an arrest....no wonder it’s all getting a bit silly.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 21, 2021, 02:21:01 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 01:49:53 AM
It only makes sense to think that the people in the car were nothing to do with Madeleine’s abduction because they almost certainly weren’t.

Further after nearly £12 million pounds of taxpayers money and whatever the rest of the world has spent, multiple police forces and 10 years if the witness’s testimony hadn’t been checked out then the investigation really is doomed. IT WAS IN THE DAILY MAIL for pity’s sake...they really didn’t need to be brilliant detectives or to be honest even competent ones. “Are Grange and Wolter aware of the sighting”? IT WAS IN THE DAILY MAIL 13 years ago...do you think that they don’t read the media ?

Are things getting so desperate?


4 years, a worldwide appeal and not a sniff of an arrest....no wonder it’s all getting a bit silly.


Oooer , I rather think that they are getting very close.   If they find the abductor/s and any behind them, will you feel it justified that the money has been spent wisely?   Will you be happy that a child abducting unit has been dealt with and prevented from repeating similar abductions and possibly trafficking?



BTW. have just had a long post that I laboriously typed whooshed as I was about to post it.   It never reached the thread.

Plus, last night I wrote a long PM to Misty and that vanished as well.

What's going on ?  *%6^
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 21, 2021, 03:07:56 AM
Quote from: sadie on January 21, 2021, 02:21:01 AM

Oooer , I rather think that they are getting very close.   If they find the abductor/s and any behind them, will you feel it justified that the money has been spent wisely?   Will you be happy that a child abducting unit has been dealt with and prevented from repeating similar abductions and possibly trafficking?



BTW. have just had a long post that I laboriously typed whooshed as I was about to post it.   It never reached the thread.

Plus, last night I wrote a long PM to Misty and that vanished as well.

What's going on ?  *%6^
If it is timing out copy your post before sending.  At least then you won't have to retype it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 21, 2021, 05:56:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 20, 2021, 08:31:21 PM
Hopefully  she will have been reinterviewed
What for,the Germans have concrete evidence, what more do they want ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 21, 2021, 06:46:51 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 21, 2021, 03:07:56 AM
If it is timing out copy your post before sending.  At least then you won't have to retype it.
Or better still, type it out in Notepad or Wordpad first, then copy and paste into your post to avoid any...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 07:17:46 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 01:49:53 AM
It only makes sense to think that the people in the car were nothing to do with Madeleine’s abduction because they almost certainly weren’t.

Further after nearly £12 million pounds of taxpayers money and whatever the rest of the world has spent, multiple police forces and 10 years if the witness’s testimony hadn’t been checked out then the investigation really is doomed. IT WAS IN THE DAILY MAIL for pity’s sake...they really didn’t need to be brilliant detectives or to be honest even competent ones. “Are Grange and Wolter aware of the sighting”? IT WAS IN THE DAILY MAIL 13 years ago...do you think that they don’t read the media ?

Are things getting so desperate?

4 years, a worldwide appeal and not a sniff of an arrest....no wonder it’s all getting a bit silly.
I don’t think the German police would have read the Daily Mail 13 years ago, no.  Faithlilly you sound a bit rattled tbh.  AFAIK, this has never been discussed before on this forum, and in light of the investigation into CB’s movements that night it could be significant.  Would you much rather it wasn’t checked out? Why isn’t their statement in the files? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 07:18:28 AM
double post
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 07:19:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 21, 2021, 05:56:24 AM
What for,the Germans have concrete evidence, what more do they want ?
They have appealed for more evidence, were you unaware of this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 21, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 21, 2021, 05:56:24 AM
What for,the Germans have concrete evidence, what more do they want ?

For all the reasons that have, already been discussed but sceptis refuse to accept
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 21, 2021, 08:45:28 AM
It's strange that there is no statement from her in the files... Why would that be
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 09:14:03 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 21, 2021, 08:45:28 AM
It's strange that there is no statement from her in the files... Why would that be
Filed in the bin, or on a post-it note that slipped under amaral's keyboard I expect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 21, 2021, 10:06:03 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 21, 2021, 08:45:28 AM
It's strange that there is no statement from her in the files... Why would that be

It could be because she never spoke to the PJ. It wouldn't be the first time people claimed in the media to have spoken to the police but the evidence says otherwise. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on January 21, 2021, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 20, 2021, 06:21:48 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453015/Sniffer-dogs-tracked-Maddy-supermarket.html

A key witness has told police she saw two people in a car acting suspiciously near to the supermarket where tracker dogs lost Madeleine's scent giving rise to fears she was transferred to a vehicle.


I always love this bit.
So 2 guys sitting in a car. In what way did she think they were acting suspiciously ?


The woman said they were acting suspiciously,   that is for the Police to investigate.   It reminds me of the messages on this forum about the man who a witness [a child] said was  acting suspiciously outside the McCann's apartment before she disappeared,   that man resembled CB but posters here said 'oh he could have been waiting for someone'.   Good job the young girl reported it.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on January 21, 2021, 10:24:41 AM
I hope this woman comes forward again,  she may remember more about the car or the men.   If it was CB could be why he handed the registration over to someone else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: Lace on January 21, 2021, 10:23:25 AM

The woman said they were acting suspiciously,   that is for the Police to investigate.   It reminds me of the messages on this forum about the man who a witness [a child] said was  acting suspiciously outside the McCann's apartment before she disappeared,   that man resembled CB but posters here said 'oh he could have been waiting for someone'.  Good job the young girl reported it. IMO

Well yes, because it really has been the most crucial evidence so far.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 21, 2021, 10:34:12 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 21, 2021, 10:06:03 AM
It could be because she never spoke to the PJ. It wouldn't be the first time people claimed in the media to have spoken to the police but the evidence says otherwise.

I'm sure you would agree it needs to be checked out.
If she did speak to the police and there's no record of it that would be shocking
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 21, 2021, 10:35:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 21, 2021, 10:06:03 AM
It could be because she never spoke to the PJ. It wouldn't be the first time people claimed in the media to have spoken to the police but the evidence says otherwise.

Could you give a cite for someone  else claiming to have spoken  to the police and the evidence says otherwise
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on January 21, 2021, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 10:33:41 AM
Well yes, because it really has been the most crucial evidence so far.

It will be if the girl identifies CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 10:58:34 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 21, 2021, 10:06:03 AM
It could be because she never spoke to the PJ. It wouldn't be the first time people claimed in the media to have spoken to the police but the evidence says otherwise.
Quite - so either there are lots of liars out there or the police didn't take their statements seriously and either lost them or binned them.  Why, I wonder would a seemingly respectable couple invent a story like this 3 days after Madeleine's disappearance?  It doesn't make sense, but as they said the police didn't seem that interested, the fact that their statement never showed up in the files lends veracity to what they said at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 21, 2021, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: Lace on January 21, 2021, 10:48:54 AM
It will be if the girl identifies CB.

Get a grip. Ain't gonna happen.

Straws , for the clutching of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 21, 2021, 11:07:45 AM
I will email Martin Brunt... See if he's interested

Although scepetics will be sceptical...this may be absolutely nothing but should not be ignored.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 11:56:36 AM
Quote from: Lace on January 21, 2021, 10:23:25 AM

The woman said they were acting suspiciously,   that is for the Police to investigate.   It reminds me of the messages on this forum about the man who a witness [a child] said was  acting suspiciously outside the McCann's apartment before she disappeared,   that man resembled CB but posters here said 'oh he could have been waiting for someone'.   Good job the young girl reported it.  IMO

TS said the man was ugly and his face pockmarked. None of these are true of Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on January 21, 2021, 12:24:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 11:56:36 AM
TS said the man was ugly and his face pockmarked. None of these are true of Brueckner.

I don't think children get past the 'acne covered skin'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on January 21, 2021, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 21, 2021, 10:59:56 AM
Get a grip. Ain't gonna happen.

Straws , for the clutching of.

What do you mean 'get a grip'?   You get a grip.   How do you know it won't happen,  got a crystal ball have you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on January 21, 2021, 12:30:41 PM
So this couple saw two men in a saloon car by the supermarket around 8.30.   CB gets a call around 8.30. Interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: Lace on January 21, 2021, 12:30:41 PM
So this couple saw two men in a saloon car by the supermarket around 8.30.   CB gets a call around 8.30. Interesting.
To be strictly accurate the article states "two people" - could have been a man and a woman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 21, 2021, 12:37:46 PM
To be strictly accurate the article states "two people" - could have been a man and a woman.

That's assuming gender which is a micro aggression.

The two people could be non-binary, trans, fluid or LGBTQIZ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on January 21, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Quote from: Lace on January 21, 2021, 12:26:10 PM

What do you mean 'get a grip'?   You get a grip.   How do you know it won't happen,  got a crystal ball have you.

Seems you have to think it was CB or even assume it was two men.

How do you know it wasn't two women.





A key witness has told police she saw two people in a car acting suspiciously near to the supermarket where tracker dogs lost Madeleine's scent giving rise to fears she was transferred to a vehicle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: kizzy on January 21, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Seems you have to think it was CB or even assume it was two men.

How do you know it wasn't two women.





A key witness has told police she saw two people in a car acting suspiciously near to the supermarket where tracker dogs lost Madeleine's scent giving rise to fears she was transferred to a vehicle.

It also seems to be the overiding opinion that any paedo abductor would be male.

I think that's thoroughly unfair on men since there are paedo lesbian women as well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 21, 2021, 12:52:59 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 12:49:23 PM
It also seems to be the overiding opinion that any paedo abductor would be male.

I think that's thoroughly unfair on men since there are paedo lesbian women as well.

Indeed. A woman might be much more reassuring to a small child than a spotty, pock-marked, stinky bloke.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on January 21, 2021, 12:53:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 21, 2021, 12:37:46 PM
To be strictly accurate the article states "two people" - could have been a man and a woman.

Ok,  my mistake.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 21, 2021, 12:57:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on January 21, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Seems you have to think it was CB or even assume it was two men.

How do you know it wasn't two women.

A key witness has told police she saw two people in a car acting suspiciously near to the supermarket where tracker dogs lost Madeleine's scent giving rise to fears she was transferred to a vehicle.
it could be that two men being parked by the supermarket is default suspicious, because shopping is women's work.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: The General on January 21, 2021, 12:57:37 PM
it could be that two men being parked by the supermarket is default suspicious, because shopping is women's work.

That's a very sexist statement, & so by moral obligation it gets my full support.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on January 21, 2021, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: kizzy on January 21, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Seems you have to think it was CB or even assume it was two men.

How do you know it wasn't two women.






A key witness has told police she saw two people in a car acting suspiciously near to the supermarket where tracker dogs lost Madeleine's scent giving rise to fears she was transferred to a vehicle.




If it was CB's car it could have been him and a woman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 21, 2021, 12:52:59 PM
Indeed. A woman might be much more reassuring to a small child than a spotty, pock-marked, stinky bloke.
Maybe but as far as we know the investigation is focusing on a male paedophile /burglar / rapist, not a lesbian paedophile, titillating though that idea might be for some. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 21, 2021, 01:30:08 PM
Maybe but as far as we know the investigation is focusing on a male paedophile /burglar / rapist, not a lesbian paedophile, titillating though that idea might be for some.

Maybe that's why they can't solve it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on January 21, 2021, 01:43:08 PM
Quote from: Lace on January 21, 2021, 01:29:03 PM



If it was CB's car it could have been him and a woman.


IF it was - there again iyo what do you think they were doing to act suspicious when just sat in a car near to a supermarket.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 21, 2021, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: kizzy on January 21, 2021, 01:43:08 PM

IF it was - there again iyo what do you think they were doing to act suspicious when just sat in a car near to a supermarket.

Probably the high-powered binoculars and the stop watch that gave them away. Oh and the walkie talkie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 01:50:11 PM
I wonder if the police have managed to trace the mystery couple who entered 5a & soothed Maddie the night before she disappeared?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared

It seems strange to me that this evidence has been pretty much forgotten since the news broke in 2013.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 01:59:28 PM
There was also a mystery couple seen climbing over the wall & fence into the garden of 5a just moments before she disappeared.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3429641/mystery-couple-seen-clambering-over-wall-and-fence-directly-behind-apartment-where-madeleine-mccann-was-sleeping-on-night-she-vanished/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 02:16:05 PM
All good leads Spammy, let's hope the police investigated them all as best they could, or would you rather they just ignored them and had spent the last few years oiling their handcuffs waiting for the McCanns to ring them up to confess?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 21, 2021, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 01:59:28 PM
There was also a mystery couple seen climbing over the wall & fence into the garden of 5a just moments before she disappeared.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3429641/mystery-couple-seen-clambering-over-wall-and-fence-directly-behind-apartment-where-madeleine-mccann-was-sleeping-on-night-she-vanished/

Do you think the Germans know about them, or do  need they be told by a 'concerned forum member' ? (Asking for a friend)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 21, 2021, 02:23:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 21, 2021, 02:18:10 PM
Do you think the Germans know about them, or do  need they be told by a 'concerned forum member' ? (Asking for a friend)

I expect that this has already been done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 21, 2021, 02:16:05 PM
All good leads Spammy, let's hope the police investigated them all as best they could, or would you rather they just ignored them and had spent the last few years oiling their handcuffs waiting for the McCanns to ring them up to confess?

Yes, they are very interesting leads,  but they have been forgotten by the media, the police have remained very secretive about them, the McCann's don't seem to have uttered a word on the matter & their supporters seem reluctant to mention.

I can't imagine why.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 21, 2021, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 02:24:00 PM
Yes, they are very interesting leads,  but they have been forgotten by the media, the police have remained very secretive about them, the McCann's don't seem to have uttered a word on the matter & their supporters seem reluctant to mention.

I can't imagine why.

It's an ongoing investigation.  And just for the record Brueckner's face looks scarred to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 02:24:00 PM
Yes, they are very interesting leads,  but they have been forgotten by the media, the police have remained very secretive about them, the McCann's don't seem to have uttered a word on the matter & their supporters seem reluctant to mention.

I can't imagine why.
The British police are pursuing their own investigation and for all we know these leads may have led to the direction of their investigation.  By all means carry on taking the piss.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 21, 2021, 02:29:31 PM
It's an ongoing investigation.  And just for the record Brueckner's face looks scarred to me.

Though strangely in the footage from just before the disappearance his face looks perfectly normal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 21, 2021, 03:03:49 PM
Chill out guys, I've no wish to apply sanctions but I will do if the sniping continues.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on January 21, 2021, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 21, 2021, 02:18:10 PM
Do you think the Germans know about them, or do  need they be told by a 'concerned forum member' ? (Asking for a friend)

Well IMO  Wolt can't know about them or he would have key witnesses to go with his key suspect.

Maybe D will contact him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 21, 2021, 03:23:38 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 02:57:20 PM
Though strangely in the footage from just before the disappearance his face looks perfectly normal.

I don't know which photo you are referring to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 11:56:36 AM
TS said the man was ugly and his face pockmarked. None of these are true of Brueckner.
I disagree. Picture on right depicts pockmarked skin
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 04:27:24 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 21, 2021, 03:23:38 PM
I don't know which photo you are referring to.

The footage of the tourists and Brueckner in his camper van.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 04:26:52 PM
I disagree. Picture on right depicts pockmarked skin

Both photographs are terrible. Could you give the second on some context?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 04:34:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 04:29:52 PM
Both photographs are terrible. Could you give the second on some context?
It is an image on google that depicts the skin condition i.e pockmarked skin.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 04:34:43 PM
It is an image on google that depicts the skin condition i.e pockmarked skin.

I think most people are aware of what pockmarked skin looks like.

The photograph of Brueckner is not clear enough to gauge whether he has such marks. Wolter, when describing Brueckner, does not say that he has ‘pockmarked skin’, which would certainly be one of his more identifiable features.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 05:01:20 PM
I think most people are aware of what pockmarked skin looks like.

The photograph of Brueckner is not clear enough to gauge whether he has such marks. Wolter, when describing Brueckner, does not say that he has ‘pockmarked skin’, which would certainly be one of his more identifiable features.
I see no reason for Mr Wolters to emphasise Brückner’s skin condition.  The witnesses who described the lurking man as such, are significant. I believe Brückner has ‘pockmarked skin’. I also believe he is ‘ugly’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 21, 2021, 06:27:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 21, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
For all the reasons that have, already been discussed but sceptis refuse to accept


Do you honestly think a witness from getting untoward 14 yrs ago is hanging on to that elusive piece of jigsaw and has done nothing about it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 06:36:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 21, 2021, 06:27:52 PM

Do you honestly think a witness from getting untoward 14 yrs ago is hanging on to that elusive piece of jigsaw and has done nothing about it ?
They went to the police with it, hopefully they contacted the German police when information about Brückner’s possible involvement was released too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 06:21:07 PM
I see no reason for Mr Wolters to emphasise Brückner’s skin condition.  The witnesses who described the lurking man as such, are significant. I believe Brückner has ‘pockmarked skin’. I also believe he is ‘ugly’.

If Wolter was trying to get witnesses to come forward who had seen Brueckner of course he’d describe his pockmarked face, if he had one...it’s an identifying feature.

Of course you can believe whatever you like, that however doesn’t make it true. You may also feel that he is ugly but his photographs suggest otherwise. He’s not tremendously attractive but he’s certainly not ugly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 07:10:57 PM
Not REALLY ugly like Gerry you mean?  It’s subjective isn’t it?  I’ve seen Gerry been slated for his looks and men claimiing they wouldn’t touch Kate with a bargepole cos she’s so unattractive.  Personally I think Brückner is utterly hideous, he looks like a blonde cadaver.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 07:13:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 21, 2021, 07:10:57 PM
Not REALLY ugly like Gerry you mean?  It’s subjective isn’t it?  I’ve seen Gerry been slated for his looks and men claimiing they wouldn’t touch Kate with a bargepole cos she’s so unattractive.  Personally I think Brückner is utterly hideous, he looks like a blonde cadaver.

Well I think he's sexy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 07:23:36 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 07:13:43 PM
Well I think he's sexy.

Seems he did have quite a bit of success in attracting the ladies. Relationships he doesn’t seem to have been so hot at.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 07:26:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 07:04:17 PM
If Wolter was trying to get witnesses to come forward who had seen Brueckner of course he’d describe his pockmarked face, if he had one...it’s an identifying feature.

Of course you can believe whatever you like, that however doesn’t make it true. You may also feel that he is ugly but his photographs suggest otherwise. He’s not tremendously attractive but he’s certainly not ugly.
I have never claimed anything I say/believe is true. My point is that Wolters didn’t have to (or the media for that matter) identify certain distinguishing features Brückner might have had. His complete identity was known within hours. Witnesses might have been able to contribute from this point onwards. For the rest - you may find him fairly attractive, I find him repulsive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 21, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 07:26:45 PM
I have never claimed anything I say/believe is true. My point is that Wolters didn’t have to (or the media for that matter) identify certain distinguishing features Brückner might have had. His complete identity was known within hours. Witnesses might have been able to contribute from this point onwards. For the rest - you may find him fairly attractive, I find him repulsive.

Within hours of what ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 07:13:43 PM
Well I think he's sexy.
I’d have been more surprised if you didn’t.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 21, 2021, 07:36:31 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 07:23:36 PM
Seems he did have quite a bit of success in attracting the ladies. Relationships he doesn’t seem to have been so hot at.
He can probably turn on the charm, plus waving wads of cash and bags of drugs about probably helps.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 21, 2021, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 07:23:36 PM
Seems he did have quite a bit of success in attracting the ladies. Relationships he doesn’t seem to have been so hot at.

Might be difficult to sustain a deep and meaningful relationship when in and out of prison as often as he is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 21, 2021, 07:42:41 PM

I suspect that Brueckner didn't like women very much.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 21, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
Within hours of what ?
Of him being announced as the BKA’s prime suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 21, 2021, 08:16:53 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 08:10:26 PM
Of him being announced as the BKA’s prime suspect.

Right  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 08:17:24 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13810473/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-not-charged-cell-rampage-compensation/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2021, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 08:17:24 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13810473/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-not-charged-cell-rampage-compensation/

Bruckner's treatment has been appalling & utterly inhumane, forcing him into solitary 23 hours a day, denying him a quick fag, beating him up & then convicting him of murder without a trial.

It's disgusting & the German authorities should be hanging their heads in shame over what they are doing to this poor man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 21, 2021, 07:26:45 PM
I have never claimed anything I say/believe is true. My point is that Wolters didn’t have to (or the media for that matter) identify certain distinguishing features Brückner might have had. His complete identity was known within hours. Witnesses might have been able to contribute from this point onwards. For the rest - you may find him fairly attractive, I find him repulsive.

Tell me Anthro, why do you think it was so important for the full description of the man Tamsin Silence saw to be publicised...including his pockmarked face? Why do you think the police say....did you see this man...then give a full, detailed description?

As to Brueckner...I didn’t say he was ‘fairly attractive’.....he certainly isn’t ugly....and of course you find him repulsive, you know what he has done. Ted Bundy, objectively, was a very handsome man but he repulses me because I know what he did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 12:38:01 AM
My, my who to believe.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13830511/madeleine-mccann-martin-ney-questioned-murderer/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 24, 2021, 03:13:18 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 21, 2021, 10:27:23 PM
Tell me Anthro, why do you think it was so important for the full description of the man Tamsin Silence saw to be publicised...including his pockmarked face? Why do you think the police say....did you see this man...then give a full, detailed description?

As to Brueckner...I didn’t say he was ‘fairly attractive’.....he certainly isn’t ugly....and of course you find him repulsive, you know what he has done. Ted Bundy, objectively, was a very handsome man but he repulses me because I know what he did.

I bet that Tasmin Silence has been shown CB's photos.  I wonder if she identified him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 24, 2021, 09:02:03 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13830511/madeleine-mccann-martin-ney-questioned-murderer/
I think this development may be highly significant. Perhaps Ney was Brückner’s green-eyed friend? My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2021, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: Anthro on January 24, 2021, 09:02:03 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13830511/madeleine-mccann-martin-ney-questioned-murderer/
I think this development may be highly significant. Perhaps Ney was Brückner’s green-eyed friend? My opinion.


There again he might not have been, strange the germans aren't interested but allegedly SY are. Odd headlines and most are nonsense come to mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 24, 2021, 09:25:57 AM

SY may be interested, but now we are outside the EU, it's going to be more difficult for them to interview him than it would have been before.

Incidentally, is it possible to have 2 prime suspects ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 09:31:18 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 24, 2021, 09:25:57 AM
SY may be interested, but now we are outside the EU, it's going to be more difficult for them to interview him than it would have been before.

Incidentally, is it possible to have 2 prime suspects ?

If they were  working together of course.. Have you forgotten Kate and gerry
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2021, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 24, 2021, 09:25:57 AM
SY may be interested, but now we are outside the EU, it's going to be more difficult for them to interview him than it would have been before.

Incidentally, is it possible to have 2 prime suspects ?


They can have as many suspects has they like, doesn't mean they did it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 09:38:49 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2021, 09:38:09 AM

They can have as many suspects has they like, doesn't mean they did it.
That will be decided by the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2021, 09:44:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2021, 09:38:49 AM
That will be decided by the evidence

Don't we know it, but proof is the deciding factor, none beyond reasonable doubt any stranger was in 5a, Wolter's won't and can't commit to his suspect taking Madeleine out of 5a.Who is going to testify for the prosecution that CB used the window, unlocked patio door, locked front door, take your pick.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 24, 2021, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2021, 09:38:09 AM

They can have as many suspects has they like, doesn't mean they did it.

But can they both be prime? Does prime not suggest main , the one of greatest interest ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2021, 09:49:05 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 24, 2021, 09:47:08 AM
But can they both be prime? Does prime not suggest main , the one of greatest interest ?


Yes, but its paper talk by the lead investigators, the brit press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2021, 09:44:30 AM
Don't we know it, but proof is the deciding factor, none beyond reasonable doubt any stranger was in 5a, Wolter's won't and can't commit to his suspect taking Madeleine out of 5a.Who is going to testify for the prosecution that CB used the window, unlocked patio door, locked front door, take your pick.

Wolters does not have to prove CB was, in 5a... If he can prove CB murdered MM.. that's, enough
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2021, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
Wolters does not have to prove CB was, in 5a... If he can prove CB murdered MM.. that's, enough

IYO, but its obviously not the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2021, 10:15:55 AM
IYO, but its obviously not the case.

It's not opinion... If it can be proven CB murdered  Maddie then that's, enough... And it may well happen
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2021, 10:25:36 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2021, 10:15:55 AM
IYO, but its obviously not the case.
what’s obviously not the case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 24, 2021, 10:25:36 AM
what’s obviously not the case?

Wolters can prove his suspect killed the girl.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 10:30:32 AM
According  to amaral... Before  anything can be prived against CB it has, to be proved an abduction  took place.  Amaral shows his ignorance yet again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 10:31:55 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
Wolters can prove his suspect killed the girl.

How do you know  he, won't be, able to prove it... You dont
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2021, 10:35:53 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
Wolters can prove his suspect killed the girl.
Can he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 10:37:55 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 24, 2021, 09:47:08 AM
But can they both be prime? Does prime not suggest main , the one of greatest interest ?

It will be interesting if Wolter ever gets Brueckner to court. If SY are looking at Ney there’s your reasonable doubt right there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on January 24, 2021, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2021, 10:31:55 AM
How do you know  he, won't be, able to prove it... You dont

So Wolt thinks Maddie is dead [could that be the results of the dog findings].

Have you thought of the possibility that CB was actually paid may be to dispose of Maddie?

IMO how could this backfire if he had been caught with her ...who would believe a pedo and rapist.if he said he hadn't abducted her

Especially with an open window etc at the apartment IMO that would be the only way he could be involved.

All in my opinion.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 10:43:36 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 10:37:55 AM
It will be interesting if Wolter ever gets Brueckner to court. If SY are looking at Ney there’s your reasonable doubt right there.
I would wait for the evidence and trial before deciding  the verdict... And don't believe everything in the Sun
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 10:45:36 AM
Quote from: kizzy on January 24, 2021, 10:41:58 AM
So Wolt thinks Maddie is dead [could that be the results of the dog findings].

Have you thought of the possibility that CB was actually paid may be to dispose of Maddie?

IMO how could this backfire if he had been caught with her ...who would believe a pedo and rapist.if he said he hadn't abducted her

Especially with an open window etc at the apartment IMO that would be the only way he could be involved.

All in my opinion.
No it can't be the dogs findings.. Think about it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 24, 2021, 10:57:37 AM
Ney has been extradited to France in connection with a totally different case.
Is any UK media , besides the Sun, carrying the 'Maddie connection'?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 11:09:32 AM
Of course Grimes could be called as a defence witness if Brueckner ever went to court.

We have already seen cadaver dogs deployed in the Brueckner case at a site in Hanover so we know the German police value their abilities.

More reasonable doubt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2021, 11:13:20 AM
Quote from: kizzy on January 24, 2021, 10:41:58 AM
So Wolt thinks Maddie is dead [could that be the results of the dog findings].

Have you thought of the possibility that CB was actually paid may be to dispose of Maddie?

IMO how could this backfire if he had been caught with her ...who would believe a pedo and rapist.if he said he hadn't abducted her

Especially with an open window etc at the apartment IMO that would be the only way he could be involved.

All in my opinion.
Paid by whom to dispose of Madeleine? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 11:09:32 AM
Of course Grimes could be called as a defence witness if Brueckner ever went to court.

We have already seen cadaver dogs deployed in the Brueckner case at a site in Hanover so we know the German police value their abilities.

More reasonable doubt.

I really value their abilities but we, would disagree on what their abilities are
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 11:28:22 AM
Indicative cadaver dog alerts. Grimes testimony. Evidence that cadaver dogs alert to a body after it has been in situ for about the 90 minutes and et voila, it couldn’t have been my client your honour.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 11:30:31 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 11:28:22 AM
Indicative cadaver dog alerts. Grimes testimony. Evidence that cadaver dogs alert to a body after it has been in situ for about the 90 minutes and et voila, it couldn’t have been my client your honour.

I've already raised this point and, I agree.
If the alerts are correct CB is innocent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2021, 11:33:57 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 11:28:22 AM
Indicative cadaver dog alerts. Grimes testimony. Evidence that cadaver dogs alert to a body after it has been in situ for about the 90 minutes and et voila, it couldn’t have been my client your honour.
90 minutes you say?  Then that let’s the McCanns off the hook too unless you believe their daughter had an accident while they were still in the apartment?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 11:36:20 AM
I believe that Grime, on the witness stand, will absolutely destroy any case against Brueckner. He has the reputation and standing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2021, 11:36:43 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 24, 2021, 11:33:57 AM
90 minutes you say?  Then that let’s the McCanns off the hook too unless you believe their daughter had an accident while they were still in the apartment?

You might be right.

Unless it wasn't an accident.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2021, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2021, 11:36:43 AM
You might be right.

Unless it wasn't an accident.
Unlike you Faithlilly doesn't believe the McCanns are paedo murderers but I'm glad you agree that we can rule out accidental death after the McCanns left the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2021, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 11:36:20 AM
I believe that Grime, on the witness stand, will absolutely destroy any case against Brueckner. He has the reputation and standing.
LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2021, 12:14:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 24, 2021, 11:50:00 AM
Unlike you Faithlilly doesn't believe the McCanns are paedo murderers but I'm glad you agree that we can rule out accidental death after the McCanns left the apartment.

I only said you might be right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2021, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 24, 2021, 11:36:20 AM
I believe that Grime, on the witness stand, will absolutely destroy any case against Brueckner. He has the reputation and standing.

I think you are totally misguided.... You need to listen to what his academic lead.. Prof Casella says, about alerts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2021, 12:14:54 PM
I only said you might be right.
I am right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 24, 2021, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2021, 09:49:05 AM

Yes, but its paper talk by the lead investigators, the brit press.

The French have gone through the official legal channels of procuring a European Arrest Warrant to enable them to carry out an investigation into Jonathan Coulom's murder.

I think that will be the only case he will face questions on in the eight month period allowed by the warrant.  Unless anyone can come up with something more than press speculation which indicates otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2021, 08:08:52 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2021, 12:30:03 PM
I think you are totally misguided.... You need to listen to what his academic lead.. Prof Casella says, about alerts.
[reasonable doubt]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2021, 08:30:04 AM
Quote from: The General on January 25, 2021, 08:08:52 AM
[reasonable doubt]
Listen to the podcast again.. The Pillay one... Listen to what Cassella says and then report back
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2021, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2021, 08:30:04 AM
Listen to the podcast again.. The Pillay one... Listen to what Cassella says and then report back
Will do. Cheers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2021, 02:29:55 PM
This is from an article dated July 19


When news first broke that authorities were ‘closing in’ on Madeleine McCann’s kidnappers, it seemed like another one of those tabloid headlines that would ultimately lead nowhere.

There have been many over the years, and the exact whereabouts, and fate, of Maddie remains unsolved.

This time, though, there is a real buzz around the new information, and “investigators in Portugal and the U.K. say they are homing in on two of the strongest leads they have found in recent years”.

We covered the first of those yesterday – convicted German paedophile and murderer Martin Ney. What we didn’t know then is that Portuguese police have now confirmed that Ney told a fellow inmate at the prison where he is housed “something only McCann’s kidnapper could know”.

Although previously quizzed regarding Maddie’s disappearance, the Daily Beast says that Ney was “working at a homeless centre run by an evangelical church in the same area where McCann disappeared”.

A second suspect, though, is where real progress could be made:

Portuguese authorities say it is more likely a second suspect they are investigating—an alleged accomplice of Ney—will prove more useful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 27, 2021, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 27, 2021, 02:29:55 PM
This is from an article dated July 19


When news first broke that authorities were ‘closing in’ on Madeleine McCann’s kidnappers, it seemed like another one of those tabloid headlines that would ultimately lead nowhere.

There have been many over the years, and the exact whereabouts, and fate, of Maddie remains unsolved.

This time, though, there is a real buzz around the new information, and “investigators in Portugal and the U.K. say they are homing in on two of the strongest leads they have found in recent years”.

We covered the first of those yesterday – convicted German paedophile and murderer Martin Ney. What we didn’t know then is that Portuguese police have now confirmed that Ney told a fellow inmate at the prison where he is housed “something only McCann’s kidnapper could know”.

Although previously quizzed regarding Maddie’s disappearance, the Daily Beast says that Ney was “working at a homeless centre run by an evangelical church in the same area where McCann disappeared”.

A second suspect, though, is where real progress could be made:

Portuguese authorities say it is more likely a second suspect they are investigating—an alleged accomplice of Ney—will prove more useful.

A rehash of a story in The Daily Beast on 6th May 2019.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/madeleine-mccann-detectives-closing-in-on-new-lead-in-portugal-disappearance?via=ios
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2021, 03:47:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 27, 2021, 03:39:48 PM
A rehash of a story in The Daily Beast on 6th May 2019.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/madeleine-mccann-detectives-closing-in-on-new-lead-in-portugal-disappearance?via=ios

With CB being the prime suspect and now Ney reportedly being interviewed it looks as it could have some significance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 27, 2021, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 27, 2021, 03:47:30 PM
With CB being the prime suspect and now Ney reportedly being interviewed it looks as it could have some significance
Would you hazard a guess as to what that might be?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2021, 03:59:18 PM
Quote from: The General on January 27, 2021, 03:56:12 PM
Would you hazard a guess as to what that might be?

More than a guess. A well reasoned carefully thought out  evidenced base conclusion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 27, 2021, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 27, 2021, 03:59:18 PM
More than a guess. A well reasoned carefully thought out  evidenced base conclusion
For a change.
Go on then, hit us with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2021, 04:21:41 PM
Quote from: The General on January 27, 2021, 04:18:20 PM
For a change.
Go on then, hit us with it.

I'm on a go slow no Co... At the moment.. Its like a dirty protest without all the mess
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 27, 2021, 04:26:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 27, 2021, 04:21:41 PM
I'm on a go slow no Co... At the moment.. Its like a dirty protest without all the mess
Can't fault the concept. I'm in.
Shame we're not going messy though.

But....I can't resist. The reason Ney is being questioned is..........
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 27, 2021, 04:30:29 PM
....serendipity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 27, 2021, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: The General on January 27, 2021, 04:26:03 PM
Can't fault the concept. I'm in.
Shame we're not going messy though.

But....I can't resist. The reason Ney is being questioned is..........

that the French think he might be a shoe-in for one of their cases.
The British? - Pah, they'll be lucky if they even get a look in now they've withdrawn from all things European.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 27, 2021, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 27, 2021, 04:33:23 PM
that the French think he might be a shoe-in for one of their cases.
The British? - Pah, they'll be lucky if they even get a look in now they've withdrawn from all things European.
Brexit or not, I doubt the British even have him on their radar. Certainly not the 4 socially-distanced officers in a converted mess hut on the Embankment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2021, 04:50:35 PM
Might well be getting him out of the way to question CB... Break down all lines of communication
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 27, 2021, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 27, 2021, 04:50:35 PM
Might well be getting him out of the way to question CB... Brak down all lines of communication

Was Ney in the Algarve around the time of Madeleine's disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 27, 2021, 05:07:01 PM
Possibly, but unless there is reliable documentation it may be difficult to prove after all these years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 27, 2021, 05:07:50 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 27, 2021, 04:59:37 PM
Was Ney in the Algarve around the time of Madeleine's disappearance?
No. He was working in a youth hostel in Germany, would you believe?
Not a joke.

Edit: Hamburg.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 27, 2021, 05:12:30 PM
Quote from: The General on January 27, 2021, 05:07:50 PM
No. He was working in a youth hostel in Germany, would you believe?
Not a joke.

I don't know a great deal about him.  Do you have a cite for that?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 27, 2021, 05:16:31 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 27, 2021, 05:12:30 PM
I don't know a great deal about him.  Do you have a cite for that?
As reprehensible a human as you can get:

In 1998 Martin N. was still living in Bremen, and in 2004 in Hamburg. From 2000 to 2008 he worked in a youth residential group of the Evangelische Jugendhilfe Friedenshort GmbH in the Hamburg district of Harburg.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.weser-kurier.de/bremen/bremen-stadt_artikel,-Martin-N-Toetungsfantasien-schon-als-Jugendlicher-_arid,230463.html&prev=search&pto=aue (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.weser-kurier.de/bremen/bremen-stadt_artikel,-Martin-N-Toetungsfantasien-schon-als-Jugendlicher-_arid,230463.html&prev=search&pto=aue)

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 27, 2021, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: The General on January 27, 2021, 05:16:31 PM
As reprehensible a human as you can get:

In 1998 Martin N. was still living in Bremen, and in 2004 in Hamburg. From 2000 to 2008 he worked in a youth residential group of the Evangelische Jugendhilfe Friedenshort GmbH in the Hamburg district of Harburg.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.weser-kurier.de/bremen/bremen-stadt_artikel,-Martin-N-Toetungsfantasien-schon-als-Jugendlicher-_arid,230463.html&prev=search&pto=aue (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.weser-kurier.de/bremen/bremen-stadt_artikel,-Martin-N-Toetungsfantasien-schon-als-Jugendlicher-_arid,230463.html&prev=search&pto=aue)

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Couldn't make out from that , or missed it. Has he served prison sentences for whatever he has done ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 27, 2021, 05:35:12 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 27, 2021, 05:22:57 PM
Couldn't make out from that , or missed it. Has he served prison sentences for whatever he has done ?
Looks like he did time for child abuse, but the privacy laws as they are, they are reluctant to elaborate it seems.
But he doesn't seem to have served much time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on January 27, 2021, 05:59:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 27, 2021, 05:22:57 PM
Couldn't make out from that , or missed it. Has he served prison sentences for whatever he has done ?

He has been incarcerated in Germany since Feb 2012 on the murder of three boys and more than 20 sexual assaults on young boys. He has a minimum of 15 years sentence but it is likely he will never be released as his release would only be permitted if it was shown he was no longer a danger to the public. He has a truly shocking record of offences but it seems he exclusively targeted young boys and not girls.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 27, 2021, 06:04:06 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 27, 2021, 04:59:37 PM
Was Ney in the Algarve around the time of Madeleine's disappearance?

“The ex-Mark Warner employee – who worked at the Ocean Club resort where the McCanns were staying – saw Ney soon after arriving in Portugal in April 2007. They also saw him at Baptista supermarket, close to the McCanns’ holiday apartment”.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-child-killer-suspect-15002654
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 27, 2021, 06:04:28 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on January 27, 2021, 05:59:59 PM
He has been incarcerated in Germany since Feb 2012 on the murder of three boys and more than 20 sexual assaults on young boys. He has a minimum of 15 years sentence but it is likely he will never be released as his release would only be permitted if it was shown he was no longer a danger to the public. He has a truly shocking record of offences but it seems he exclusively targeted young boys and not girls.

Thank you.

In that case why was he extradited  to France rather than being questioned while in prison by French detectives?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 27, 2021, 06:07:02 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on January 27, 2021, 05:59:59 PM
He has been incarcerated in Germany since Feb 2012 on the murder of three boys and more than 20 sexual assaults on young boys. He has a minimum of 15 years sentence but it is likely he will never be released as his release would only be permitted if it was shown he was no longer a danger to the public. He has a truly shocking record of offences but it seems he exclusively targeted young boys and not girls.

Quote from: jassi on January 27, 2021, 06:04:28 PM
Thank you.

In that case why was he extradited  to France rather than being questioned while in prison by French detectives?


Why raise CB's name as a prime suspect in one murder but Ney only gets mentioned in passing to another murder. Read last night thanks to misty on twitter Ney had been charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 27, 2021, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 27, 2021, 06:04:06 PM
“The ex-Mark Warner employee – who worked at the Ocean Club resort where the McCanns were staying – saw Ney soon after arriving in Portugal in April 2007. They also saw him at Baptista supermarket, close to the McCanns’ holiday apartment”.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-child-killer-suspect-15002654

See him or somebody resembling him, world of difference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on January 27, 2021, 06:10:11 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 27, 2021, 06:04:28 PM
Thank you.

In that case why was he extradited  to France rather than being questioned while in prison by French detectives?

The only think I can think of is he has been charged by French authorities as he has been linked with this particular murder for a long time and maybe they think they have enough for trial . As a German national if he is charged in another EU nation they have to extradite him to that nation. Where he would serve his sentence if convicted I don't know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on January 27, 2021, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 27, 2021, 06:07:02 PM

Why raise CB's name as a prime suspect in one murder but Ney only gets mentioned in passing to another murder. Read last night thanks to misty on twitter Ney had been charged.

I thought that was why he had been extradited, which murder are you referring to in reference to Ney getting a passing mention?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 27, 2021, 06:17:00 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on January 27, 2021, 06:10:11 PM
The only think I can think of is he has been charged by French authorities as he has been linked with this particular murder for a long time and maybe they think they have enough for trial . As a German national if he is charged in another EU nation they have to extradite him to that nation. Where he would serve his sentence if convicted I don't know.

He has.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210126/german-serial-killer-charged-with-murder-of-10-year-old-boy-in-france
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 27, 2021, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 27, 2021, 06:17:00 PM
He has.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210126/german-serial-killer-charged-with-murder-of-10-year-old-boy-in-france
Justice works slowly, please note how long it has taken to bring charges all you HCW scoffers and jeerers...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 27, 2021, 06:26:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 27, 2021, 06:20:36 PM
Justice works slowly, please note how long it has taken to bring charges all you HCW scoffers and jeerers...


Wolters declares CB prime suspect, hasn't even questioned him, Ney obviously prime suspect in the French murder case not a peep, thats how justice works , in silence, Wolters shook the tree cause he's struggling, detritus fell out all right in the guise of the brit press,  anything to advance the case against CB ?, don't put a mortgage on it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 27, 2021, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 27, 2021, 06:26:22 PM

Wolters declares CB prime suspect, hasn't even questioned him, Ney obviously prime suspect in the French murder case not a peep, thats how justice works , in silence, Wolters shook the tree cause he's struggling, detritus fell out all right in the guise of the brit press,  anything to advance the case against CB ?, don't put a mortgage on it.
New had been publicly linked to that case for years so don’t give me that bull.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 27, 2021, 06:34:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 27, 2021, 06:04:06 PM
“The ex-Mark Warner employee – who worked at the Ocean Club resort where the McCanns were staying – saw Ney soon after arriving in Portugal in April 2007. They also saw him at Baptista supermarket, close to the McCanns’ holiday apartment”.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-child-killer-suspect-15002654

OMG.  Hope that they were mistaken
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2021, 06:35:49 PM
Quote from: The General on January 27, 2021, 05:16:31 PM
As reprehensible a human as you can get:

In 1998 Martin N. was still living in Bremen, and in 2004 in Hamburg. From 2000 to 2008 he worked in a youth residential group of the Evangelische Jugendhilfe Friedenshort GmbH in the Hamburg district of Harburg.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.weser-kurier.de/bremen/bremen-stadt_artikel,-Martin-N-Toetungsfantasien-schon-als-Jugendlicher-_arid,230463.html&prev=search&pto=aue (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.weser-kurier.de/bremen/bremen-stadt_artikel,-Martin-N-Toetungsfantasien-schon-als-Jugendlicher-_arid,230463.html&prev=search&pto=aue)

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Presumably he had a few holidays during those years and what better than Portugal playa de paedophile paradise
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 27, 2021, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 27, 2021, 06:30:25 PM
New had been publicly linked to that case for years so don’t give me that bull.

Which German public prosecutor named him as prime suspect in that case.?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 27, 2021, 06:44:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 27, 2021, 06:38:07 PM
Which German public prosecutor named him as prime suspect in that case.?
I suggest you read up on the case.  Ney was the prime suspect years ago, and though thoroughly investigated they were unable to gather enough evidence to pursue it further.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 27, 2021, 06:49:57 PM
Martin N named by German investigators as number 1 suspect in the murder of Jonathan Coulom in 2011
https://www.leparisien.fr/archives/le-suspect-allemand-qui-relance-l-affaire-jonathan-16-04-2011-1410060.php
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on January 27, 2021, 07:02:17 PM
The use of Ney's bank card in Germany at the time Jonathan went missing in France was probably the main reason Ney was never charged in 2011.
https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/meurtre-de-jonathan-la-piste-allemande-fragilisee-06-09-2011-1594220.php

Ney was in JVA Celle, Germany when he was extradited last week.
https://www.cz.de/Celle/Aus-der-Stadt/Celle-Stadt/Kindermoerder-verlaesst-JVA-Celle-Maskenmann-nach-Frankreich-ausgeliefert

German press were made aware of his cell confession back in April 2018.
https://www.bild.de/regional/bremen/kindermord/martin-ney-soll-jungen-in-frankreich-getoetet-haben-55444078.bild.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 27, 2021, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: misty on January 27, 2021, 07:02:17 PM
The use of Ney's bank card in Germany at the time Jonathan went missing in France was probably the main reason Ney was never charged in 2011.
https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/meurtre-de-jonathan-la-piste-allemande-fragilisee-06-09-2011-1594220.php

Ney was in JVA Celle, Germany when he was extradited last week.
https://www.cz.de/Celle/Aus-der-Stadt/Celle-Stadt/Kindermoerder-verlaesst-JVA-Celle-Maskenmann-nach-Frankreich-ausgeliefert

German press were made aware of his cell confession back in April 2018.
https://www.bild.de/regional/bremen/kindermord/martin-ney-soll-jungen-in-frankreich-getoetet-haben-55444078.bild.html
I wonder if he has as many people rooting for him as CB has.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 27, 2021, 11:26:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 27, 2021, 07:11:41 PM
I wonder if he has as many people rooting for him as CB has.

I think if the support given to Brueckner is anything to go by he will soon attract it if the police investigate him concerning Madeleine, particularly if the investigation were to centre on the possibility that they knew each other and acted together.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 27, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 27, 2021, 11:26:38 PM
I think if the support given to Brueckner is anything to go by he will soon attract it if the police investigate him concerning Madeleine, particularly if the investigation were to centre on the possibility that they knew each other and acted together.

This is all getting a bit too much for me.  Can I go to bed now?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 28, 2021, 12:01:01 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 27, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
This is all getting a bit too much for me.  Can I go to bed now?

I agree on that, Eleanor.

Brueckner was a dark enough consideration but the re-emergence of of Ney is more of a game changer.

I'm still having difficulty getting my head around the paedophile situation rampant in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, part of the solution to which seemed to be officially directing any so called investigation entirely in the opposite direction.

Despite the Judicial Police paying lip service to their existence and that of burglars ~ I don't think paedophiles were investigated in any great depth as regards Madeleine's case until private investigators employed by Madeleine's Fund spent a lot of time working on that relevant but neglected angle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 28, 2021, 12:12:03 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2021, 12:01:01 AM
I agree on that, Eleanor.

Brueckner was a dark enough consideration but the re-emergence of of Ney is more of a game changer.

I'm still having difficulty getting my head around the paedophile situation rampant in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, part of the solution to which seemed to be officially directing any so called investigation entirely in the opposite direction.

Despite the Judicial Police paying lip service to their existence and that of burglars ~ I don't think paedophiles were investigated in any great depth as regards Madeleine's case until private investigators employed by Madeleine's Fund spent a lot of time working on that relevant but neglected angle.

Do you know, Brie.

I thought exactly the same thing.  Strange.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 28, 2021, 12:12:31 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2021, 12:01:01 AM
I agree on that, Eleanor.

Brueckner was a dark enough consideration but the re-emergence of of Ney is more of a game changer.

I'm still having difficulty getting my head around the paedophile situation rampant in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, part of the solution to which seemed to be officially directing any so called investigation entirely in the opposite direction.

Despite the Judicial Police paying lip service to their existence and that of burglars ~ I don't think paedophiles were investigated in any great depth as regards Madeleine's case until private investigators employed by Madeleine's Fund spent a lot of time working on that relevant but neglected angle.

I actually thought that all of these paedophiles  wandering around The Algarve was a huge joke.  How could this be, I thought.  And yet they were.  Where do you go from there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2021, 12:01:01 AM
I agree on that, Eleanor.

Brueckner was a dark enough consideration but the re-emergence of of Ney is more of a game changer.

I'm still having difficulty getting my head around the paedophile situation rampant in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, part of the solution to which seemed to be officially directing any so called investigation entirely in the opposite direction.

Despite the Judicial Police paying lip service to their existence and that of burglars ~ I don't think paedophiles were investigated in any great depth as regards Madeleine's case until private investigators employed by Madeleine's Fund spent a lot of time working on that relevant but neglected angle.

I wouldn’t worry about the paedophiles on the Algarve if I was you. I’d be more concerned with the 600 paedophiles in the U.K. who have changed their name by deed poll and who the authorities have lost sight of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 28, 2021, 06:16:22 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2021, 12:01:01 AM
I agree on that, Eleanor.

Brueckner was a dark enough consideration but the re-emergence of of Ney is more of a game changer.

I'm still having difficulty getting my head around the paedophile situation rampant in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, part of the solution to which seemed to be officially directing any so called investigation entirely in the opposite direction.

Despite the Judicial Police paying lip service to their existence and that of burglars ~ I don't think paedophiles were investigated in any great depth as regards Madeleine's case until private investigators employed by Madeleine's Fund spent a lot of time working on that relevant but neglected angle.
Or the hunt for Madeleine turned up the paedo angle which not unsurprisingly the PJ kept a cloak over lest it clouds the issue in the girls disappearance, which it is now imo.

All in the files, who can say there was no thorough investigation.

A - In the inquiry there are passages that contain information that can contend with the right to private life of people, not only British citizens, for whom there was found not the faintest hint of implication in this case, namely:

Volume I, fls. 211/212: reference to an individual with a past linked to crimes of a sexual nature with children.

Volume II
- Fls. 293/297: is a list of individuals connected with the practice of sex crimes with minors and adolescents.
- Fls. 298/300: reference to an individual linked with the practice of acts of pedophilia and exhibitionism;
- Fls. 473/474: reference to an individual linked with the practice of acts of exhibitionism.

Volume III, fls. 754/757: information and bibliographic record of a citizen in connection with acts of paedophilia.

Volume V, fls. 1246/1254: list resulting from the search carried out in the PJ Database related to individuals of foreign nationality and linked with child sexual abuse and paedophilia.

Volume XV
- Fls. 4085/4100: reference to a Portuguese citizen having physical similarities to the portrait (e-fit), with police record showing convictions for robbery, rape and kidnapping.
- Fls. 4102/4110: identification of an English individual having physical similarities to the portrait (e-fit).
- Fls. 4116/4127: work performed with an individual known through the practice of a crime of sexual abuse of minors, having a police record and convictions for that same crime.

Volume XVI, fls. 4130/4132: reference to a French citizen with physical similarities to the portrait (e-fit).

Regarding the material contained in those pages and for the reasons given, because we believe that, after their removal, the [rule of] judicial secrecy should remain, replacing it [the material] with a summary of what they [the pages] contained and the creation of an Appendix [Annexure file] to remain in the custody of an entity considered competent for its custody [safe-keeping], for the single purpose of demonstrating its existence, in terms of the requirement of Article 86 (7) of the CPP.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 06:30:45 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 28, 2021, 06:16:22 AM
Or the hunt for Madeleine turned up the paedo angle which not unsurprisingly the PJ kept a cloak over lest it clouds the issue in the girls disappearance, which it is now imo.

All in the files, who can say there was no thorough investigation.

A - In the inquiry there are passages that contain information that can contend with the right to private life of people, not only British citizens, for whom there was found not the faintest hint of implication in this case, namely:

Volume I, fls. 211/212: reference to an individual with a past linked to crimes of a sexual nature with children.

Volume II
- Fls. 293/297: is a list of individuals connected with the practice of sex crimes with minors and adolescents.
- Fls. 298/300: reference to an individual linked with the practice of acts of pedophilia and exhibitionism;
- Fls. 473/474: reference to an individual linked with the practice of acts of exhibitionism.

Volume III, fls. 754/757: information and bibliographic record of a citizen in connection with acts of paedophilia.

Volume V, fls. 1246/1254: list resulting from the search carried out in the PJ Database related to individuals of foreign nationality and linked with child sexual abuse and paedophilia.

Volume XV
- Fls. 4085/4100: reference to a Portuguese citizen having physical similarities to the portrait (e-fit), with police record showing convictions for robbery, rape and kidnapping.
- Fls. 4102/4110: identification of an English individual having physical similarities to the portrait (e-fit).
- Fls. 4116/4127: work performed with an individual known through the practice of a crime of sexual abuse of minors, having a police record and convictions for that same crime.

Volume XVI, fls. 4130/4132: reference to a French citizen with physical similarities to the portrait (e-fit).

Regarding the material contained in those pages and for the reasons given, because we believe that, after their removal, the [rule of] judicial secrecy should remain, replacing it [the material] with a summary of what they [the pages] contained and the creation of an Appendix [Annexure file] to remain in the custody of an entity considered competent for its custody [safe-keeping], for the single purpose of demonstrating its existence, in terms of the requirement of Article 86 (7) of the CPP.
Where did that come from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 07:08:15 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 12:18:43 AM
I wouldn’t worry about the paedophiles on the Algarve if I was you. I’d be more concerned with the 600 paedophiles in the U.K. who have changed their name by deed poll and who the authorities have lost sight of.
Unlikely to have been involved in Madeleine’s disappearance so irrelevant to the current discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 28, 2021, 09:19:18 AM
This article from 2019 is perhaps worth reading again. It is also said that the Tranmer sighting was actually on the 3rd of May and not on the 29th of April as suggested by the PJ at the time (cf. Websleuths).
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9020869/foreign-madeleine-mccann-suspect-crept-through-gate-near-maddies-apartment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2021, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: Anthro on January 28, 2021, 09:19:18 AM
This article from 2019 is perhaps worth reading again. It is also said that the Tranmer sighting was actually on the 3rd of May and not on the 29th of April as suggested by the PJ at the time (cf. Websleuths).
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9020869/foreign-madeleine-mccann-suspect-crept-through-gate-near-maddies-apartment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/


Mmm, who to believe, a police report or a Tabloid?
I suppose the answer lies in the original statement by Tranmer.  Is it in the files ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 09:52:03 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 28, 2021, 09:27:22 AM

Mmm, who to believe, a police report or a Tabloid?
I suppose the answer lies in the original statement by Tranmer.  Is it in the files ?
Thursday 3rd May
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm#:~:text=Witness%20statement%20of%3A%20Carole%20TRANMER&text=Occupation%3A-,This%20statement%2C%20consisting%20of%20one%20page%2C%20signed%20by%20me%2C,not%20believe%20to%20be%20true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2021, 10:36:03 AM
Tranmer obviously made an earlier statement with different dates to those stated in 2008.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 28, 2021, 10:36:03 AM
Tranmer obviously made an earlier statement with different dates to those stated in 2008.
Do you have a cite?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 28, 2021, 09:27:22 AM

Mmm, who to believe, a police report or a Tabloid?
I suppose the answer lies in the original statement by Tranmer.  Is it in the files ?

I don't think the PJ suggested anything. Tranmer's original statement (8/5/07) is not in the files and neither is the efit made by a police officer from Reading. Was it Leicestershire police who released it to the media, I wonder?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 12:00:07 PM
I don't think the PJ suggested anything. Tranmer's original statement (8/5/07) is not in the files and neither is the efit made by a police officer from Reading. Was it Leicestershire police who released it to the media, I wonder?
Why is it not in the files I wonder...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 12:23:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 12:18:14 PM
Why is it not in the files I wonder...?

Do you think that it was part of a conspiracy?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 12:23:32 PM
Do you think that it was part of a conspiracy?
Are you wishing to engage with me now?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 12:30:24 PM
Are you wishing to engage with me now?

Let’s see how things go.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 12:37:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 12:18:14 PM
Why is it not in the files I wonder...?

Who knows. There are two possibilities. 1. LP didn't pass it on. 2. The PJ lost it. Someone obviously kept the efit, however, as it ended up in the media. Neither Mrs Tranmer nor Ivor Messiah seem to know who it was who made the efit with her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 12:47:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 12:32:06 PM
Let’s see how things go.
I don't do conspiracies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 12:49:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 12:37:09 PM
Who knows. There are two possibilities. 1. LP didn't pass it on. 2. The PJ lost it. Someone obviously kept the efit, however, as it ended up in the media. Neither Mrs Tranmer nor Ivor Messiah seem to know who it was who made the efit with her.
You've missed a third option which you've suggested in the past - that if it's not in the files that the witness was just an attention seeking, money grabbing liar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2021, 12:54:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 12:37:09 PM
Who knows. There are two possibilities. 1. LP didn't pass it on. 2. The PJ lost it. Someone obviously kept the efit, however, as it ended up in the media. Neither Mrs Tranmer nor Ivor Messiah seem to know who it was who made the efit with her.

Messiah must have had a copy in front of him otherwise he couldn't have referred to it. Would it not have had the name of the officer attached?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 28, 2021, 01:08:22 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 12:49:44 PM
You've missed a third option which you've suggested in the past - that if it's not in the files that the witness was just an attention seeking, money grabbing liar.
I've spoken to her. I've got her email address if you want to tell her in person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 28, 2021, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 12:37:09 PM
Who knows. There are two possibilities. 1. LP didn't pass it on. 2. The PJ lost it. Someone obviously kept the efit, however, as it ended up in the media. Neither Mrs Tranmer nor Ivor Messiah seem to know who it was who made the efit with her.
And, Tranmer was insistent that the Silence e-fit is not the man she saw.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: The General on January 28, 2021, 01:08:22 PM
I've spoken to her. I've got her email address if you want to tell her in person.
Why would I want to do that?  I don't doubt she is an honest witness (unlike some people on this forum).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 12:49:44 PM
You've missed a third option which you've suggested in the past - that if it's not in the files that the witness was just an attention seeking, money grabbing liar.

Unlike some, I don't think Mrs Tranmer spoke willingly to the media. Nor did she claim to have spoken to the PJ. She spoke to LP, as Messiah confirms.

I've never used your chosen words, by the way; "attention seeking, money grabbing liar". Putting your words in my mouth again, I see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 28, 2021, 01:47:47 PM
Seems Ney also abused girls.
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/01/28/german-serial-killer-extradited-and-charged-with-murder-of-french-boy-10/amp/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2021, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 28, 2021, 01:47:47 PM
Seems Ney also abused girls.
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/01/28/german-serial-killer-extradited-and-charged-with-murder-of-french-boy-10/amp/

Wrong age group, though - "He also assaulted or attempted to assault at least 30 girls and boys, aged seven to 13, between 1982 and 1998."

Pity there isn't an actual source quoted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on January 28, 2021, 02:25:03 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 28, 2021, 01:47:47 PM
Seems Ney also abused girls.
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/01/28/german-serial-killer-extradited-and-charged-with-murder-of-french-boy-10/amp/

I think that may just be a case of lazy journalism imo. I have never seen a documented case that shows Ney had abused a girl. Misty maybe can confirm or not, her knowledge on Ney surpasses mine I believe.
This is a good synopsis of his history including the fact he fostered a 12 year old boy after his criminal records were wiped.
The fostered boy was never abused though.


https://www.stern.de/panorama/stern-crime/richter-faellen-urteil-gegen-martin-n--karriere-eines-kindermoerders-3558344.html

Also from the Sun


“Ney’s known victims are boys, but clinical psychologists say gender is often unimportant to paedophiles.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9004618/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-paedophile-child-killer/
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 02:36:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
Unlike some, I don't think Mrs Tranmer spoke willingly to the media. Nor did she claim to have spoken to the PJ. She spoke to LP, as Messiah confirms.

I've never used your chosen words, by the way; "attention seeking, money grabbing liar". Putting your words in my mouth again, I see.
You have most certainly intimated that by your posts. And I doubt Carole Tranmer had a gun held at her head when interviewed by the press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 02:36:40 PM
You have most certainly intimated that by your posts. And I doubt Carole Tranmer had a gun held at her head when interviewed by the press.

Did Tranmer talk to the press? From what I’ve seen they’ve simply rehashed her statement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 28, 2021, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 04:20:10 PM
Did Tranmer talk to the press? From what I’ve seen they’ve simply rehashed her statement.
I wonder if any of the original witnesses who made statements of all kinds, but particularly those who described various people, have been in touch with HCW and fingered Ney or CB?
We know Martin Smith, for example, has stated for the record that CB was not the man he saw.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2021, 04:37:33 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on January 28, 2021, 02:25:03 PM
I think that may just be a case of lazy journalism imo. I have never seen a documented case that shows Ney had abused a girl. Misty maybe can confirm or not, her knowledge on Ney surpasses mine I believe.
This is a good synopsis of his history including the fact he fostered a 12 year old boy after his criminal records were wiped.
The fostered boy was never abused though.


https://www.stern.de/panorama/stern-crime/richter-faellen-urteil-gegen-martin-n--karriere-eines-kindermoerders-3558344.html

Also from the Sun


“Ney’s known victims are boys, but clinical psychologists say gender is often unimportant to paedophiles.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9004618/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-paedophile-child-killer/

That surprised me as I thought that child sex abusers tended to have quite specific age and gender preferences
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on January 28, 2021, 05:08:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 28, 2021, 04:37:33 PM
That surprised me as I thought that child sex abusers tended to have quite specific age and gender preferences

“Ney’s known victims are boys, but clinical psychologists say gender is often unimportant to paedophiles.”


It’s a bit of a throwaway line and I also doubt that often is the correct word to use in this context. Sometimes may be a more accurate word to use.

I believe there is some studies that show paedophiles who commit offences on very young children ie. pre school age are I think three times more likely to abuse both sexes than paedophiles who target older children. But it was quite a small sample size of about 375 prisoners in Florida. As Martin Ney’s victims were all boys over 6 he seemed to be in that group that didn’t offend against both very young children or girls.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 12:47:01 PM
I don't do conspiracies.
Discuss the topic or take your little discussion to "Wandering off topic" please. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 05:22:57 PM
Discuss the topic or take your little discussion to "Wandering off topic" please.
Excuse me!  Reprimand Faithlilly not me, she asked the question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 05:28:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 05:24:52 PM
Excuse me!  Reprimand Faithlilly not me, she asked the question.
It applies to both of you.    You both read the comment I made and I didn't use names.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 05:28:46 PM
It applies to both of you.    You both read the comment I made and I didn't use names.
Are you picking on me because Davel’s not around atm?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 05:31:14 PM
Are you picking on me because Davel’s not around atm?
No, absolutely not, as I'm looking forward to having a good relationship with both you and Faithlilly
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 28, 2021, 05:52:16 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on January 28, 2021, 05:08:17 PM
“Ney’s known victims are boys, but clinical psychologists say gender is often unimportant to paedophiles.”


It’s a bit of a throwaway line and I also doubt that often is the correct word to use in this context. Sometimes may be a more accurate word to use.

I believe there is some studies that show paedophiles who commit offences on very young children ie. pre school age are I think three times more likely to abuse both sexes than paedophiles who target older children. But it was quite a small sample size of about 375 prisoners in Florida. As Martin Ney’s victims were all boys over 6 he seemed to be in that group that didn’t offend against both very young children or girls.
There are quite a few media reports claiming that Ney was working for an evangelical church in Portugal at the time of Madeleine's disappearance ~ https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/new-madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-paedophile-was-in-portugal-when-she-vanished/news-story/9cec2166f28efb5b8b166bedeb8caa9a

None of which give an in depth explanation as far as I can see ~ have you read any of them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 05:53:47 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 05:46:23 PM
No, absolutely not, as I'm looking forward to having a good relationship with both you and Faithlilly

Leave me out of this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 28, 2021, 05:58:04 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on January 28, 2021, 02:25:03 PM
I think that may just be a case of lazy journalism imo. I have never seen a documented case that shows Ney had abused a girl. Misty maybe can confirm or not, her knowledge on Ney surpasses mine I believe.
This is a good synopsis of his history including the fact he fostered a 12 year old boy after his criminal records were wiped.
The fostered boy was never abused though.


https://www.stern.de/panorama/stern-crime/richter-faellen-urteil-gegen-martin-n--karriere-eines-kindermoerders-3558344.html

Also from the Sun


“Ney’s known victims are boys, but clinical psychologists say gender is often unimportant to paedophiles.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9004618/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-paedophile-child-killer/

The sun story is obviously wrong at the start, Wolters tells us its CB. the clinical psychologist can only talk in general terms not specific to Ney unless he's talked to and studied him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 05:53:47 PM
Leave me out of this.
For sure. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 28, 2021, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 06:30:45 AM
Where did that come from?

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

PROCURADORIA DA REPUBLICA Circulo Judicial de Portimao

Conclusao em 23-7-2008

=CLS=

Tendo em conta o teor do douto Despacho de fls. 4655/4657 e concretizando, vem o MoPo expor a V. Exa. o seguinte:

A - No Inquerito ha passagens que contem informacoes que podem contender com o direito a reserva da vida privada de pessoas, nao so cidadaos ingleses, relativamente as quais nao se apurou o mais tenue indicio de implicacao nos presentes autos que se indicam

Volume I, fls. 211/212: referencia a individuo com passado ligado a crimes de natureza sexual de menores.

Volume II,
- fls. 293/297: constitui uma listagem de individuos relacionados com a pratica de crimes sexuais com menores e adolescentes.
- fls. 298/300: referencia a individuo conotado com a pratica de actos de pedofilia e exibicionismo;
- fls. 473/474: referencia a individuo conotado com a pratica de actos de exibicionismo.

Volume III, fls. 754/757: informasao e ficha bibliografica relativa a cidadao relacionado com actos de pedofilia.

Volume V, fls. 1246/1254: listagem resultante da pesquisa efectuada na Base de dados da PJ relativa a individuos de nacionalidade estrangeira e conotados com abuso sexual de menores e pedofilia.

Volume XV,
- fls. 4085/4100: referencia a cidadao portugues com semelhansas fisicas com o retrato robot, com ficha policial onde constam condenasoes por roubo, violasao e sequestro.
- fls. 4102/4110: identificasao de individuo ingles com semelhansas fisicas com o retrato robot.
- fls. 4116/4127: diligencias realizadas com um individuo referenciado pela pratica de um crime de abuso sexual de menores, com registo policial e condenasoes pelo mesmo crime.

Volume XVI, fls. 4130/4132: referencia a cidadao frances com semelhancas fisicas ao retrato robot.

Relativamente a materia que consta nas fls. referidas e pelos motivos indicados, porque entendemos que deve permanecer em segredo de justica, p. o seu desentranhamento, ficando em sua substituicao a sumula do que nas mesmas constava e a constituicao de um Apenso a ficar a guarda da Entidade considerada competente para a sua guarda, com a finalidade unica de comprovar a sua existencia, nos termos do disposto no artigo 86 no 7 do CPP.

B - Relativamente aos Crimestoppers constam os mesmos do Apenso V como se discrimina:

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 06:30:16 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 28, 2021, 06:11:50 PM
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

PROCURADORIA DA REPUBLICA Circulo Judicial de Portimao

Conclusao em 23-7-2008

=CLS=

Tendo em conta o teor do douto Despacho de fls. 4655/4657 e concretizando, vem o MoPo expor a V. Exa. o seguinte:

A - No Inquerito ha passagens que contem informacoes que podem contender com o direito a reserva da vida privada de pessoas, nao so cidadaos ingleses, relativamente as quais nao se apurou o mais tenue indicio de implicacao nos presentes autos que se indicam

Volume I, fls. 211/212: referencia a individuo com passado ligado a crimes de natureza sexual de menores.

Volume II,
- fls. 293/297: constitui uma listagem de individuos relacionados com a pratica de crimes sexuais com menores e adolescentes.
- fls. 298/300: referencia a individuo conotado com a pratica de actos de pedofilia e exibicionismo;
- fls. 473/474: referencia a individuo conotado com a pratica de actos de exibicionismo.

Volume III, fls. 754/757: informasao e ficha bibliografica relativa a cidadao relacionado com actos de pedofilia.

Volume V, fls. 1246/1254: listagem resultante da pesquisa efectuada na Base de dados da PJ relativa a individuos de nacionalidade estrangeira e conotados com abuso sexual de menores e pedofilia.

Volume XV,
- fls. 4085/4100: referencia a cidadao portugues com semelhansas fisicas com o retrato robot, com ficha policial onde constam condenasoes por roubo, violasao e sequestro.
- fls. 4102/4110: identificasao de individuo ingles com semelhansas fisicas com o retrato robot.
- fls. 4116/4127: diligencias realizadas com um individuo referenciado pela pratica de um crime de abuso sexual de menores, com registo policial e condenasoes pelo mesmo crime.

Volume XVI, fls. 4130/4132: referencia a cidadao frances com semelhancas fisicas ao retrato robot.

Relativamente a materia que consta nas fls. referidas e pelos motivos indicados, porque entendemos que deve permanecer em segredo de justica, p. o seu desentranhamento, ficando em sua substituicao a sumula do que nas mesmas constava e a constituicao de um Apenso a ficar a guarda da Entidade considerada competente para a sua guarda, com a finalidade unica de comprovar a sua existencia, nos termos do disposto no artigo 86 no 7 do CPP.

B - Relativamente aos Crimestoppers constam os mesmos do Apenso V como se discrimina:
Who worked out there were missing files?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 28, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 06:30:16 PM
Who worked out there were missing files?

They can't be missing if they're there to be read.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 06:59:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 28, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
They can't be missing if they're there to be read.
Well, all I know is someone tried to work out that some files are missing. the known missing files.  I'm sure there are many more, The unknown missing files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2021, 07:07:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 28, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
They can't be missing if they're there to be read.

Quite right. They are only missing from the public domain.
There are some who wish none of the files were in the public domain at all.
I think it must have been a nasty shock to the McCanns when they appeared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 07:12:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 28, 2021, 07:07:26 PM
Quite right. They are only missing from the public domain.
There are some who wish none of the files were in the public domain at all.
I think it must have been a nasty shock to the McCanns when they appeared.
I bet Robert Murat wasn't happy either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 28, 2021, 07:07:26 PM
Quite right. They are only missing from the public domain.
There are some who wish none of the files were in the public domain at all.
I think it must have been a nasty shock to the McCanns when they appeared.
There was no good reason for them to have been released IMO, though they have given some people something to do for 13 years I guess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2021, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 28, 2021, 07:12:51 PM
I bet Robert Murat wasn't happy either.

I don't suppose he was, though he seems to have weathered the storm and moved on.

I always thought it was a bold move on the part of the Portuguese to demonstrate to the world the extent of their investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 28, 2021, 07:56:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 28, 2021, 07:37:35 PM
I don't suppose he was, though he seems to have weathered the storm and moved on.

I always thought it was a bold move on the part of the Portuguese to demonstrate to the world the extent of their investigation.

Did the Portuguese State commission Levy and his volunteer translators to post the files on the internet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2021, 08:01:04 PM
They didn't need to but don't seem too upset that it happened, otherwise they wouldn't have released the information in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 28, 2021, 07:37:35 PM
I don't suppose he was, though he seems to have weathered the storm and moved on.

I always thought it was a bold move on the part of the Portuguese to demonstrate to the world the extent of their investigation.

I think it was part of their system. Secrecy during the investigation followed by almost complete openness afterwards. In that they are much more open than the UK, who reveal very little at any stage. In fact the British police used lawyers to stop the Portuguese from releasing information about their involvement.

The Association of Chief Police Officers, The Chief Constable of Leicestershire, The Serious Organised Crime Agency, police and legal authorities in the United Kingdom and Crimestoppers, all already identified in the files, are here represented by Lawyers Rui Patricio and Tiago Felix da Costa, from the company Morais Leitao, Galvao Teles, Soares da Silva and Associates and submit the following explanation and request:
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LAWYERS_UK_POLICE.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on January 28, 2021, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2021, 05:52:16 PM
There are quite a few media reports claiming that Ney was working for an evangelical church in Portugal at the time of Madeleine's disappearance ~ https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/new-madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-paedophile-was-in-portugal-when-she-vanished/news-story/9cec2166f28efb5b8b166bedeb8caa9a

None of which give an in depth explanation as far as I can see ~ have you read any of them?

There are quite a few media reports but they all seem to be the same source first printed in the Sun on 06/05/2019

“Ney was working for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless in Portugal when Madeleine disappeared, it's claimed.” The Sun 05/50/2019

“Ney was working for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless in Portugal at the time Madeleine vanished”. Mirror 07/05/2019

“He was reportedly working for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless in Portugal when Madeleine vanished”. Daily Mail 06/05/2019
 
“Ney was working for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless in Portugal when Madeleine disappeared, it’s claimed.” News.com.au 06/05/2019

They may have taken this quote from the Sunday Express in 2011 and just added the Portugal bit imo

“It is believed that between 2000 and 2008 he worked for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless”. Sunday Express May 08 2011

I do know he was working for a Protestant foundation based in Hamburg from 2000 to 2008. He lived in a flat provided by the foundation and provided foster care for for children and young people from problem families.
I can’t find any reference to him working for the homeless in Portugal in the German press.

He himself has denied he was in Portugal at the time of the disappearance.

“Ney looked uncannily like the e-fit, but has told German police he was not in Portugal and had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.” Sunday Express 2013
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 08:54:22 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2021, 07:56:37 PM
Did the Portuguese State commission Levy and his volunteer translators to post the files on the internet?

Well it wasn’t going to be supporters who translated them, was it? Further isn’t it rather hypocritical to criticise Levy and the volunteer translators when you and your fellow travellers use the sun of their efforts almost every day?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2021, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 08:25:06 PM
I think it was part of their system. Secrecy during the investigation followed by almost complete openness afterwards. In that they are much more open than the UK, who reveal very little at any stage. In fact the British police used lawyers to stop the Portuguese from releasing information about their involvement.

The Association of Chief Police Officers, The Chief Constable of Leicestershire, The Serious Organised Crime Agency, police and legal authorities in the United Kingdom and Crimestoppers, all already identified in the files, are here represented by Lawyers Rui Patricio and Tiago Felix da Costa, from the company Morais Leitao, Galvao Teles, Soares da Silva and Associates and submit the following explanation and request:
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LAWYERS_UK_POLICE.htm

Have never understood why UK police were concerned about keeping the identity of convicted sex offenders a secret
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 09:50:09 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 08:54:22 PM
Well it wasn’t going to be supporters who translated them, was it? Further isn’t it rather hypocritical to criticise Levy and the volunteer translators when you and your fellow travellers use the sun of their efforts almost every day?
Of course if I’d translated them instead you would have gratefully and uncritically accepted every word.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 10:15:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 09:50:09 PM
Of course if I’d translated them instead you would have gratefully and uncritically accepted every word.

Do you speak Portuguese then?

If you had translated the files what I wouldn’t do is use them when it was convenient then criticise the translator. That’s just bad manners.

Look what happened to poor Anne and all she did was to give us her time for free to bring us information we otherwise wouldn’t have had access to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2021, 10:55:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 10:15:08 PM
Do you speak Portuguese then?

If you had translated the files what I wouldn’t do is use them when it was convenient then criticise the translator. That’s just bad manners.

Look what happened to poor Anne and all she did was to give us her time for free to bring us information we otherwise wouldn’t have had access to.
As you have never been anything but rude towards me I find that incredibly difficult to believe, sorry.  As for “poor Anne” I know nothing about that, who’s she and what happened to her?  Stoned to death by rabid supporters?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 11:45:37 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 10:15:08 PM
Do you speak Portuguese then?

If you had translated the files what I wouldn’t do is use them when it was convenient then criticise the translator. That’s just bad manners.

Look what happened to poor Anne and all she did was to give us her time for free to bring us information we otherwise wouldn’t have had access to.

She still gets slagged off if the court reports are quoted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 11:50:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 10:55:08 PM
As you have never been anything but rude towards me I find that incredibly difficult to believe, sorry.  As for “poor Anne” I know nothing about that, who’s she and what happened to her?  Stoned to death by rabid supporters?

Don’t be sorry. Your belief is not necessary for it to be true.

As to Anne...Anne Guedes who spent every day during the Lisbon trial at the courthouse compiling reports for this forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 11:55:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 11:45:37 PM
She still gets slagged off if the court reports are quoted.

Indeed she does. A case of shooting the messenger. We lost a very valuable resource of information when Anne sadly left.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 29, 2021, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 11:55:04 PM
Indeed she does. A case of shooting the messenger. We lost a very valuable resource of information when Anne sadly left.

Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, it's called.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 29, 2021, 12:52:34 AM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on January 28, 2021, 08:53:40 PM
There are quite a few media reports but they all seem to be the same source first printed in the Sun on 06/05/2019

“Ney was working for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless in Portugal when Madeleine disappeared, it's claimed.” The Sun 05/50/2019

“Ney was working for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless in Portugal at the time Madeleine vanished”. Mirror 07/05/2019

“He was reportedly working for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless in Portugal when Madeleine vanished”. Daily Mail 06/05/2019
 
“Ney was working for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless in Portugal when Madeleine disappeared, it’s claimed.” News.com.au 06/05/2019

They may have taken this quote from the Sunday Express in 2011 and just added the Portugal bit imo

“It is believed that between 2000 and 2008 he worked for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless”. Sunday Express May 08 2011

I do know he was working for a Protestant foundation based in Hamburg from 2000 to 2008. He lived in a flat provided by the foundation and provided foster care for for children and young people from problem families.
I can’t find any reference to him working for the homeless in Portugal in the German press.

He himself has denied he was in Portugal at the time of the disappearance.

“Ney looked uncannily like the e-fit, but has told German police he was not in Portugal and had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.” Sunday Express 2013
Thank you.  I too was unable to find a primary source and as we know newspapers tend to pick up stories from each other.

It will certainly be interesting to see what comes out of the French action being taken against Ney ~ for example if there is anything linking him to Brueckner or other crimes which took place in the Algarve at a time he is known to have been in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 29, 2021, 01:41:22 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 28, 2021, 11:50:58 PM
Don’t be sorry. Your belief is not necessary for it to be true.

As to Anne...Anne Guedes who spent every day during the Lisbon trial at the courthouse compiling reports for this forum.


Yes, and she never let on that there was a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS there, did she?


She, Anne Guedes, was reporting on a trial where Goncalo Amaral and The Mccanns were opposed to each other.




Then it turned out that she was from the 'GUEDES do AMARAL' bloodline and as such is from the Duchess of Braganzas bloodline also.   

I liked Anne, but she should have declared that there was a conflict of interests for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 29, 2021, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: sadie on January 29, 2021, 01:41:22 AM

Yes, and she never let on that there was a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS there, did she?


She, Anne Guedes, was reporting on a trial where Goncalo Amaral and The Mccanns were opposed to each other.




Then it turned out that she was from the 'GUEDES do AMARAL' bloodline and as such is from the Duchess of Braganzas bloodline also.   

I liked Anne, but she should have declared that there was a conflict of interests for obvious reasons.

I would be interested to see the evidence upon which you have based your accusation please. Without that you are merely offering an opinion, just as you do with your opinion about Madeleine McCann's bloodline.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 29, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 29, 2021, 10:16:37 AM
I would be interested to see the evidence upon which you have based your accusation please. Without that you are merely offering an opinion, just as you do with your opinion about Madeleine McCann's bloodline.
This is not the first time Sadie has said this (on the forum?) so I had thought it was accepted. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8922.msg439244#msg439244
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 29, 2021, 11:06:07 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 29, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
This is not the first time Sadie has said this (on the forum?) so I had thought it was accepted. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8922.msg439244#msg439244
"

Just because something is repeated does not make it true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 29, 2021, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: sadie on January 29, 2021, 01:41:22 AM

Yes, and she never let on that there was a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS there, did she?


She, Anne Guedes, was reporting on a trial where Goncalo Amaral and The Mccanns were opposed to each other.




Then it turned out that she was from the 'GUEDES do AMARAL' bloodline and as such is from the Duchess of Braganzas bloodline also.   

I liked Anne, but she should have declared that there was a conflict of interests for obvious reasons.

Don’t be silly Sadie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 29, 2021, 11:48:15 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 29, 2021, 11:06:07 AM
Just because something is repeated does not make it true

Or relevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 29, 2021, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 29, 2021, 11:48:15 AM
Or relevant.

Quote from: faithlilly on January 29, 2021, 11:38:02 AM
Don’t be silly Sadie.

Nothing silly or irrelevant about such a blatent a "Conflict of Interests".   

Annes reports may be completely true, but she is related to Amaral, so they will always be treated, possibly correctly as one sided.   Every report she wrote, should IMO have the relationship showing on it.   

The whole interested world, FGS, was reading them, not knowing of this "Conflict of Interests"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 29, 2021, 12:22:06 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 29, 2021, 12:14:12 PM
Nothing silly or irrelevant about such a blatent a "Conflict of Interests".   

Annes reports may be completely true, but she is related to Amaral, so they will always be treated, possibly correctly as one sided.   Every report she wrote, should IMO have the relationship showing on it.   

The whole interested world, FGS, was reading them, not knowing of this "Conflict of Interests"

There was no conflict of interest....you are merely propagating a conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 29, 2021, 12:27:33 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 29, 2021, 12:14:12 PM
Nothing silly or irrelevant about such a blatent a "Conflict of Interests".   

Annes reports may be completely true, but she is related to Amaral, so they will always be treated, possibly correctly as one sided.   Every report she wrote, should IMO have the relationship showing on it.   

The whole interested world, FGS, was reading them, not knowing of this "Conflict of Interests"
What is her familial connection to Amaral?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 29, 2021, 12:28:12 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 29, 2021, 12:22:06 PM
There was no conflict of interest....you are merely propagating a conspiracy theory.

Do you not know what a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS is?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 29, 2021, 12:54:37 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 29, 2021, 12:28:12 PM
Do you not know what a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS is?

There is no conflict of interest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 29, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 29, 2021, 12:14:12 PM
Nothing silly or irrelevant about such a blatent a "Conflict of Interests".   

Annes reports may be completely true, but she is related to Amaral, so they will always be treated, possibly correctly as one sided.   Every report she wrote, should IMO have the relationship showing on it.   

The whole interested world, FGS, was reading them, not knowing of this "Conflict of Interests"

Post your evidence, Sadie as you are at present posting opinion as fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2021, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 29, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
Post your evidence, Sadie as you are at present posting opinion as fact.
Sorry I have taken a while to come back.  I am very slow unfortunately.

Herewith the bloodline.

Quote from: G-Unit on January 29, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
Post your evidence, Sadie as you are at present posting opinion as fact.

Thanks to Rob finding it, here you go:

Duchess of Braganzas Wiki.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel,_Duchess_of_Braganza



Unfortunately the bloodline chart refuses to be copied or printed, so ....To find these connections:
    Go to:
1.     Genealogy
2     Ancestry  .
3.    click on  show.
 
See boxes 3 and 5   The ‘Pinheiros’ of 'dear Julia' fame are inlaws of the ‘de Sousas’  [Goncalo de Sousa Amaral]


Also see boxes 11 and 22, Guedes do Amaral.  Isabel, Duchesse of Braganza is descended from all these illustrious bloodlines


Lots of names on this top notch Ancestry list are related to Amaral and his side of the case..  Lots of interesting names there.

Do open it up and have a good look.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, most of them are Knights of St John (Malta).

And Isabel, Queen Pretender to a potential throne of Portugal is descended from all these interesting names

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

They had a big ball at Guimares Castle in aid of the Knights of Malta and hosted by the Duke and Duchess of Braganza  (The Royal Pretenders to the throne of Portugal, I believe - please correct me if I am wrong on that ) and the people that were there was quite interesting.  Amaral, Anne Guedes,.I think, based upon a  picture I saw of her years ago, a Symington (Paul) who is a nephew of David Symington (OC Owner. then) and cousin of Angus Symington, and also related to Robert Murat. 
Goodness knows who else was there.  We only got a view of a small percentage of the guests.

Oh and the guy who was very vocal in the early days with a beard.  He was ex PJ and IIRC became a lecturer at some uni.  A friend of Amaral.  I can’t remember for sure, was his name Moita Flores?  He was there too. 
The video is on this forum somewhere, or was

The Ball of the Knights of Malta must have been important to them because
Amaral travelled over 300miles from his home near Faro to be there
Anne (if it was Anne and it looked like her) travelled almost 200 miles from her work place (Uni) in Lisbon

Of course, they were meeting up with their fairly close bloodline relative, Isobel, Duchesse of Braganza

A really swanky affair which featured on PT TV.

~~~~~~~~~~

So I have illustrated two ways that they were linked.  One is by bloodline, the other by the Knights of Malta Ball
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2021, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 30, 2021, 01:15:50 PM
Sorry I have taken a while to come back.  I am very slow unfortunately.

Herewith the bloodline.

Thanks to Rob finding it, here you go:

Duchess of Braganzas Wiki.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel,_Duchess_of_Braganza



Unfortunately the bloodline chart refuses to be copied or printed, so ....To find these connections:
    Go to:
1.     Genealogy
2     Ancestry  .
3.    click on  show.
 
See boxes 3 and 5   The ‘Pinheiros’ of 'dear Julia' fame are inlaws of the ‘de Sousas’  [Goncalo de Sousa Amaral]


Also see boxes 11 and 22, Guedes do Amaral.  Isabel, Duchesse of Braganza is descended from all these illustrious bloodlines


Lots of names on this top notch Ancestry list are related to Amaral and his side of the case..  Lots of interesting names there.

Do open it up and have a good look.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, most of them are Knights of St John (Malta).

And Isabel, Queen Pretender to a potential throne of Portugal is descended from all these interesting names

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

They had a big ball at Guimares Castle in aid of the Knights of Malta and hosted by the Duke and Duchess of Braganza  (The Royal Pretenders to the throne of Portugal, I believe - please correct me if I am wrong on that ) and the people that were there was quite interesting.  Amaral, Anne Guedes,.I think, based upon a  picture I saw of her years ago, a Symington (Paul) who is a nephew of David Symington (OC Owner. then) and cousin of Angus Symington, and also related to Robert Murat. 
Goodness knows who else was there.  We only got a view of a small percentage of the guests.

Oh and the guy who was very vocal in the early days with a beard.  He was ex PJ and IIRC became a lecturer at some uni.  A friend of Amaral.  I can’t remember for sure, was his name Moita Flores?  He was there too. 
The video is on this forum somewhere, or was

The Ball of the Knights of Malta must have been important to them because
Amaral travelled over 300miles from his home near Faro to be there
Anne (if it was Anne and it looked like her) travelled almost 200 miles from her work place (Uni) in Lisbon

Of course, they were meeting up with their fairly close bloodline relative, Isobel, Duchesse of Braganza

A really swanky affair which featured on PT TV.

~~~~~~~~~~

So I have illustrated two ways that they were linked.  One is by bloodline, the other by the Knights of Malta Ball

this is just all your claims with nothing to back it up. you claimed SY had visited the pschic yet when pressed how you kenew this you said it wa on his website...but its gone now. Just becasue poeple have the same surname doesnt mean they are related by blood...its quite a crazy idea
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2021, 01:37:51 PM
I find genealogy sites to be full of wishful thinking and false attributions and while it may be possible to create (invent) a family tree stretching back into the far and distant past, it takes no account of illegitimacy  and in no way demonstrates a blood line. Only DNA can do that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 30, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 30, 2021, 01:15:50 PM
Sorry I have taken a while to come back.  I am very slow unfortunately.

Herewith the bloodline.

Thanks to Rob finding it, here you go:

Duchess of Braganzas Wiki.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel,_Duchess_of_Braganza



Unfortunately the bloodline chart refuses to be copied or printed, so ....To find these connections:
    Go to:
1.     Genealogy
2     Ancestry  .
3.    click on  show.
 
See boxes 3 and 5   The ‘Pinheiros’ of 'dear Julia' fame are inlaws of the ‘de Sousas’  [Goncalo de Sousa Amaral]


Also see boxes 11 and 22, Guedes do Amaral.  Isabel, Duchesse of Braganza is descended from all these illustrious bloodlines


Lots of names on this top notch Ancestry list are related to Amaral and his side of the case..  Lots of interesting names there.

Do open it up and have a good look.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, most of them are Knights of St John (Malta).

And Isabel, Queen Pretender to a potential throne of Portugal is descended from all these interesting names

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

They had a big ball at Guimares Castle in aid of the Knights of Malta and hosted by the Duke and Duchess of Braganza  (The Royal Pretenders to the throne of Portugal, I believe - please correct me if I am wrong on that ) and the people that were there was quite interesting.  Amaral, Anne Guedes,.I think, based upon a  picture I saw of her years ago, a Symington (Paul) who is a nephew of David Symington (OC Owner. then) and cousin of Angus Symington, and also related to Robert Murat. 
Goodness knows who else was there.  We only got a view of a small percentage of the guests.

Oh and the guy who was very vocal in the early days with a beard.  He was ex PJ and IIRC became a lecturer at some uni.  A friend of Amaral.  I can’t remember for sure, was his name Moita Flores?  He was there too. 
The video is on this forum somewhere, or was

The Ball of the Knights of Malta must have been important to them because
Amaral travelled over 300miles from his home near Faro to be there
Anne (if it was Anne and it looked like her) travelled almost 200 miles from her work place (Uni) in Lisbon

Of course, they were meeting up with their fairly close bloodline relative, Isobel, Duchesse of Braganza

A really swanky affair which featured on PT TV.

~~~~~~~~~~

So I have illustrated two ways that they were linked.  One is by bloodline, the other by the Knights of Malta Ball

Thank you for trying, Sadie, but we seem to have quite different opinions about what is or is not evidence.

I don't understand this bit at all;
1.     Genealogy
2     Ancestry  .
3.    click on  show.

I can see none of the names you are interested in, sorry. As to recognising people at a ball? Please!

With reference to Anne Guedes what makes you think that Guedes is Anne's surname and not a name she acquired by marriage? Also, what makes you think it can be expanded to Guedes do Amaral?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 30, 2021, 02:00:58 PM
I'm still hoping for the name of this elusive over-the-garden-wall comic.  It could be Michael McIntyre... although he's as funny as a combined dose of emerods and shingles.  So maybe it's a rare copy of The Beano with a free banger still smouldering inside, about to explode and give Sadie brown knickers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2021, 05:27:14 PM
Quote from: Myster on January 30, 2021, 02:00:58 PM
I'm still hoping for the name of this elusive over-the-garden-wall comic.  It could be Michael McIntyre... although he's as funny as a combined dose of emerods and shingles.  So maybe it's a rare copy of The Beano with a free banger still smouldering inside, about to explode and give Sadie brown knickers.

That wasn't very nice Myster.  I am surprised at you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 30, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 30, 2021, 05:27:14 PM
That wasn't very nice Myster.  I am surprised at you.
Cheer up Sadie!... you shouldn't take everything you read soooo seriously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 30, 2021, 05:39:02 PM
Oh, and if you really think we should be working as a team, why don't you give us some inkling as to where we might find this video on the net so that we can judge for ourselves whether the girl you saw was Maddie or not, instead of keeping it a secret between you and OG?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 30, 2021, 05:52:54 PM
Quote from: Myster on January 30, 2021, 05:39:02 PM
Oh, and if you really think we should be working as a team, why don't you give us some inkling as to where we might find this video on the net so that we can judge for ourselves whether the girl you saw was Maddie or not, instead of keeping it a secret between you and OG?
What is the best way to save videos?  If Sadie sees a video on someone's YT account how should she save it? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2021, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: Myster on January 30, 2021, 05:39:02 PM
Oh, and if you really think we should be working as a team, why don't you give us some inkling as to where we might find this video on the net so that we can judge for ourselves whether the girl you saw was Maddie or not, instead of keeping it a secret between you and OG?

Working as a team to me means working with the Supporters, not with people whose only wish is to beat The Mccanns with a stick.   Please do not take this personally; it is not aimed at you.

The video might be an important part of OG's case if they are ever able to take such elite people to Court, it cannot be shared.  I am sorry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 30, 2021, 06:01:35 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 30, 2021, 05:52:54 PM
What is the best way to save videos?  If Sadie sees a video on someone's YT account how should she save it?
My main browser is Firefox, so I use a suitable add-on downloader such as this one...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/youtube-download-hd-download/ (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/youtube-download-hd-download/)

Can't vouch for add-ons using a different web browser.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 30, 2021, 05:53:32 PM
Working as a team to me means working with the Supporters, not with people whose only wish is to beat The Mccanns with a stick.   Please do not take this personally; it is not aimed at you.

The video might be an important part of OG's case if they are ever able to take such elite people to Court, it cannot be shared.  I am sorry.

If its not shared it has zero value here. You claimed Matt James had been interviewed by DY then admitted you had no confirmation  apart from his word. Perhaps you are just mistaken with the video. I put far more trust in HCWs claim than yours I'm afrraid
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 30, 2021, 05:53:32 PM
Working as a team to me means working with the Supporters, not with people whose only wish is to beat The Mccanns with a stick.   Please do not take this personally; it is not aimed at you.

The video might be an important part of OG's case if they are ever able to take such elite people to Court, it cannot be shared.  I am sorry.

Didn’t you find it on a public site?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2021, 06:06:50 PM
I use this download site - https://youtube-mp4.download/en/the-online-converter

Not sure if it'll work for other than youtube
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2021, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 30, 2021, 05:52:54 PM
What is the best way to save videos?  If Sadie sees a video on someone's YT account how should she save it?

Thank you, Rob, but what is a YT account?   Oh, I've got it, silly me. YT= Youtube


There are two pertinent videos and I have a personal USB copy of both, but tbh I don't know how to play them any more.   The one I can share and have done so before,  on this forum, twice I think.   But I aint spending hours searching for it because it probably has been wiped.

The other I cannot share.

If I can remember the name of the video, is there any foolproof way that I can easily find it on here, please Myster. 
I dont think that I got this video from Youtube, I think it came from a PT TV station.  It was a PT Tv report I think.


Thanks in anticipation

sadie x
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2021, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 30, 2021, 05:53:32 PM
Working as a team to me means working with the Supporters, not with people whose only wish is to beat The Mccanns with a stick.   Please do not take this personally; it is not aimed at you.

The video might be an important part of OG's case if they are ever able to take such elite people to Court, it cannot be shared.  I am sorry.

I didnt see you working as a team when you mocked my support for HCW and called me closed minded. I have supported you in the past even though I disagree with your theories.. but no more.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 30, 2021, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 30, 2021, 06:12:58 PM
Thank you, Rob, but what is a YT account?   Oh, I've got it, silly me. YT= Youtube


There are two pertinent videos and I have a personal USB copy of both, but tbh I don't know how to play them any more.   The one I can share and have done so before,  on this forum, twice I think.   But I aint spending hours searching for it because it probably has been wiped.

The other I cannot share.

If I can remember the name of the video, is there any foolproof way that I can easily find it on here, please Myster.
I dont think that I got this video from Youtube, I think it came from a PT TV station.  It was a PT Tv report I think.


Thanks in anticipation

sadie x
Only with a search through all your old posts using the title, Sadie... although if they're really ancient, then admin or John might have whooshed them, along with many more, eons ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 06:33:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 30, 2021, 06:22:58 PM
I didnt see you working as a team when you mocked my support for HCW and called me closed minded. I have supported you in the past even though I disagree with your theories.. but no more.

Boy do you know how to hold a grudge. You are replying to a post that wasn’t even to you. Time to leave Sadie alone I think otherwise it might be construed as bullying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2021, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 06:33:58 PM
Boy do you know how to hold a grudge. You are replying to a post that wasn’t even to you. Time to leave Sadie alone I think otherwise it might be construed as bullying.

I will post a I see fit...If sadie wants to claim she is posting facts then like everyone else she needs to produce evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 30, 2021, 06:36:37 PM
I will post a I see fit...If sadie wants to claim she is posting facts then like everyone else she needs to produce evidence

No, she posted what you think was an insult and you have set about haranguing her ever since. Time to stop now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2021, 06:50:30 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 06:45:48 PM
No, she posted what you think was an insult and you have set about haranguing her ever since. Time to stop now.

Shes repeated it several times hopefully thats an  end to it now and she will stop. I dont see criticism of wild claims bullying however.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 06:57:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 30, 2021, 06:50:30 PM
Shes repeated it several times hopefully thats an  end to it now and she will stop. I dont see criticism of wild claims bullying however.

It’s you that’s pursuing the subject, not Sadie. If you want it to heal, stop picking at the scab.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2021, 07:00:21 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 06:57:16 PM
It’s you that’s pursuing the subject, not Sadie. If you want it to heal, stop picking at the scab.
Oh please stop the faux outrage and take the plank out of your own eye

You have to laugh.. Sadie just posted another post accusing me of taking HCWs word that Maddie is dead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 07:03:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 30, 2021, 07:00:21 PM
Oh please stop the faux outrage and take the plank out of your own eye

You have to laugh.. Sadie just posted another post accusing me of taking HCWs word that Maddie is dead

I’m not outrage..I just don’t like bullies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2021, 07:11:54 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 07:03:48 PM
I’m not outrage..I just don’t like bullies.

Neither do I... I've taken a few on in my time and they've lived to regret it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 30, 2021, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 30, 2021, 06:22:58 PM
I didnt see you working as a team when you mocked my support for HCW and called me closed minded. I have supported you in the past even though I disagree with your theories.. but no more.
That is enough Davel. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2021, 07:46:24 PM
Quote from: Myster on January 30, 2021, 06:31:15 PM
Only with a search through all your old posts using the title, Sadie... although if they're really ancient, then admin or John might have whooshed them, along with many more, eons ago.

Thank you Myster.  I don't have the energy to do that. 

I notice that all the hearts have vanished from our thread about Casa Pia and the Hearts.  Such a shame cos the thread is now a nonsense.  Do wish they were there.  That was a pleasant off beat thread, wasn't it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2021, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 30, 2021, 07:42:15 PM
That is enough Davel.

Enough of what.. I respond to Sadie post. She made one ten minutes ago to me contain several allegations without one iota of evidence to support any of it. You may remember John making a comment last week to Sadie post along the lines that this is a forum of evidence... Not wild accusations. I have seen no evidence of HCW softening his stance. In his Dec statement he went further and said anyone who saw the evidence he has would agree with him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2021, 08:41:00 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 06:03:17 PM
Didn’t you find it on a public site?

I think I copied it from a forum years ago.  I do have my own copy .  I will have to see if I can persuade hubby to help me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2021, 08:48:15 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 06:33:58 PM
Boy do you know how to hold a grudge. You are replying to a post that wasn’t even to you. Time to leave Sadie alone I think otherwise it might be construed as bullying.

Thank you faith.  Very kind of you.  I remember, you were kind once before when my eyesight appeared to be fading.  it has faded a small amount but I can see well enough for most things.  I appreciate both kindnesses

I cannot believe how such a simple comment by me has escalated so high.  Totally ridiculous IMO, but there you go!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 30, 2021, 09:36:31 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 30, 2021, 08:41:00 PM
I think I copied it from a forum years ago.  I do have my own copy .  I will have to see if I can persuade hubby to help me.

Not to worry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on January 31, 2021, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 30, 2021, 07:47:47 PM
Enough of what.. I respond to Sadie post. She made one ten minutes ago to me contain several allegations without one iota of evidence to support any of it. You may remember John making a comment last week to Sadie post along the lines that this is a forum of evidence... Not wild accusations. I have seen no evidence of HCW softening his stance. In his Dec statement he went further and said anyone who saw the evidence he has would agree with him

without one iota of evidence to support any of it.

What you should do D is accept after all you are only a poster posting your opinions.

Not everyone is as enthusiastic about what Wolt says - its only words.

You have no right to mock other posters opinions you have not one iota of evidence to prove your posts.

I am amazed at the faith your posts have in the german.

There is not I iota of evidence to say Maddie was abducted.

Not one iota of evidence to say CB abducted Maddie,

IMO there has always been something underhanded going on in this case - starting with getting rid of G A

What it is we may never know

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 12:23:02 PM
Quote from: kizzy on January 31, 2021, 12:14:29 PM
without one iota of evidence to support any of it.

What you should do D is accept after all you are only a poster posting your opinions.

Not everyone is as enthusiastic about what Wolt says - its only words.

You have no right to mock other posters opinions you have not one iota of evidence to prove your posts.

I am amazed at the faith your posts have in the german.

There is not I iota of evidence to say Maddie was abducted.

Not one iota of evidence to say CB abducted Maddie,

IMO there has always been something underhanded going on in this case - starting with getting rid of G A

What it is we may never know

If you want to take bloodlines from John the Baptist seriously that's up to you. If you want to take Tarot cards seriously that's up to you. If a poster criticises my conclusions... Mocks them in fact... Do I not have the right to reply.

I do have a lot of confidence in Wolters because what he says fits perfectly. For years sceptics said burglars don't abduct children.. Do you remember. Now we have a burglar with a history of paedophilia as the prime suspect. I don't care what other posters here think... I know where the evidence points. Wolters says he has concrete evidence of murder... On balance I see no reason to disbelieve it.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 12:23:02 PM
If you want to take bloodlines from John the Baptist seriously that's up to you. If you want to take Tarot cards seriously that's up to you. If a poster criticises my conclusions... Mocks them in fact... Do I not have the right to reply.

I do have a lot of confidence in Wolters because what he says fits perfectly. For years sceptics said burglars don't abduct children.. Do you remember. Now we have a burglar with a history of paedophilia as the prime suspect. I don't care what other posters here think... I know where the evidence points. Wolters says he has concrete evidence of murder... On balance I see no reason to disbelieve it.

Still nothing to suggest this is the case, Wolters has never said he believed CB abducted the girl , only that he was involved and killed her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 01:01:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
Still nothing to suggest this is the case, Wolters has never said he believed CB abducted the girl , only that he was involved and killed her.

So how did she get out of 5a
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2021, 01:06:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 01:01:40 PM
So how did she get out of 5a

Thats what has baffled the investigators for getting on 14 yrs, if CB killed her why does it follow he removed her, Wolters says CB is involved he doesn't say he took her out of 5a.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: kizzy on January 31, 2021, 12:14:29 PM
without one iota of evidence to support any of it.

I might only be a poster here but Wolters isn't... He's leading the present investigation

What you should do D is accept after all you are only a poster posting your opinions.

Not everyone is as enthusiastic about what Wolt says - its only words.

You have no right to mock other posters opinions you have not one iota of evidence to prove your posts.

I am amazed at the faith your posts have in the german.

There is not I iota of evidence to say Maddie was abducted.

Not one iota of evidence to say CB abducted Maddie,

IMO there has always been something underhanded going on in this case - starting with getting rid of G A

What it is we may never know
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
German prosecutors have said they are assuming Madeleine is dead and that the suspect is being investigated on suspicion of murder.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52935728
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 31, 2021, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 12:23:02 PM
If you want to take bloodlines from John the Baptist seriously that's up to you. If you want to take Tarot cards seriously that's up to you. If a poster criticises my conclusions... Mocks them in fact... Do I not have the right to reply.

I do have a lot of confidence in Wolters because what he says fits perfectly. For years sceptics said burglars don't abduct children.. Do you remember. Now we have a burglar with a history of paedophilia as the prime suspect. I don't care what other posters here think... I know where the evidence points. Wolters says he has concrete evidence of murder... On balance I see no reason to disbelieve it.
I agree, Davel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on January 31, 2021, 01:34:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
Still nothing to suggest this is the case, Wolters has never said he believed CB abducted the girl , only that he was involved and killed her.

Or imo disposed of MADDIE.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on January 31, 2021, 01:34:46 PM
Or imo disposed of MADDIE.

Wolters has said he has concrete evidence CB murdered Maddie... I think that is highly significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on January 31, 2021, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 01:45:39 PM
Wolters has said he has concrete evidence CB murdered Maddie... I think that is highly significant

Why just because that's what he thinks.

GA etc thinks a lot of things but you don't believe them.

He was there ....Wolt wasn't ....seems he is only going on info received from criminals.

If it was anything else CB would have been charged by now.

You don't know what he has ...your only assuming you know what he has D how do you know he understands the evidence he thinks he has.

No one knows if Maddie was abducted - that's why her disappearance is a mystery.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on January 31, 2021, 02:28:16 PM
Why just because that's what he thinks.

GA etc thinks a lot of things but you don't believe them.

He was there ....Wolt wasn't ....seems he is only going on info received from criminals.

If it was anything else CB would have been charged by now.

You don't know what he has ...your only assuming you know what he has D how do you know he understands the evidence he thinks he has.

No one knows if Maddie was abducted - that's why her disappearance is a mystery.

You are totally mistaken...we need to wait and see. You are dismissing it before even seeing it....thats illogical
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on January 31, 2021, 04:15:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 02:31:39 PM
You are totally mistaken...we need to wait and see. You are dismissing it before even seeing it....thats illogical

Wait and see ...yes lol.

There may be nothing to dismiss ...or see IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2021, 04:21:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 02:31:39 PM
You are totally mistaken...we need to wait and see. You are dismissing it before even seeing it....thats illogical

Wolters may never disclose his 'concrete evidence' if he never finds evidence allowing him to arrest or charge his suspect. We know it's not enough for him to do that, so it's not all that useful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2021, 04:21:05 PM
Wolters may never disclose his 'concrete evidence' if he never finds evidence allowing him to arrest or charge his suspect. We know it's not enough for him to do that, so it's not all that useful.

Do you realise he has to disclose it if he even questions CB.
Hes given a very good reaeson why he has not yet disclosed it but I dont see how he can keep quiet indefinitely.
Grange will need to know even if CB is not charged because they have vowed to keep on looking....and of course the parents. .

Then of course if he is not charged will CB just accept the slur against him...named as the murderer of MM...surely he would sue and the evidence would then be disclosed.

we need to wait...you are just to keen to dicmiss it when you have no idea what it is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 04:40:36 PM
This is interesting... im sure wolters understands German law....

Whoever asserts or disseminates a fact about another person which is suitable for degrading that person or negatively affecting public opinion about that person, unless this fact can be proved to be true, incurs a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year or a fine and, if the offence was committed publicly or by disseminating material (section 11 (3)), a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or a fine.


so Wolters is risking prison if he doesnt have the evidence...not 50 p a week as the General suggested
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 04:54:44 PM
according to the BBc report the Mccanns were pleased with the response to the appeal for the investigation into CB
The UK's Metropolitan Police said it had received more than 270 calls and emails since revealing details of the new suspect on Wednesday.

Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for Madeleine's family, said her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, are "trying to maintain as normal a life as possible" and awaiting updates from police.

"Two-hundred-and-seventy calls and emails isn't a bad result, given it was 13 years ago," he said.

"They certainly will be encouraged to know the appeal is yielding results already and hopefully within that there will be crucial bits of information the police can act upon."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52935728
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2021, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 04:40:36 PM
This is interesting... im sure wolters understands German law....

Whoever asserts or disseminates a fact about another person which is suitable for degrading that person or negatively affecting public opinion about that person, unless this fact can be proved to be true, incurs a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year or a fine and, if the offence was committed publicly or by disseminating material (section 11 (3)), a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or a fine.


so Wolters is risking prison if he doesnt have the evidence...not 50 p a week as the General suggested
Or a fine, so Generals 50p is relevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2021, 05:34:40 PM
Or a fine, so Generals 50p is relevant.

No one has mentioned that Woters...if his allegations cannot be justified...could face jail. I think thats pretty significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 31, 2021, 05:50:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 05:44:25 PM
No one has mentioned that Woters...if his allegations cannot be justified...could face jail. I think thats pretty significant

I’m sure he’s protected by his office.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2021, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 05:44:25 PM
No one has mentioned that Woters...if his allegations cannot be justified...could face jail. I think thats pretty significant


I don't think he'll ever need to justify, the case will stay has a cold case imo. The legend is writ.
Canaan is named as prime suspect, no comeback in this (lamplugh) case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 31, 2021, 05:50:34 PM
I’m sure he’s protected by his office.
How sure are you...do you have  a cite...you dont...I'm sure hes not protected
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 05:58:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2021, 05:51:30 PM

I don't think he'll ever need to justify, the case will stay has a cold case imo. The legend is writ.
Canaan is named as prime suspect, no comeback in this (lamplugh) case.

From what I have read HCW could be jailed for those commnets if CB were to sue him...and they were not true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2021, 06:04:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 05:58:32 PM
From what I have read HCW could be jailed for those commnets if CB were to sue him...and they were not true

What happens when/if he leaves office.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2021, 06:04:14 PM
What happens when/if he leaves office.

there will be  a time limit.....the point is...if Wolters is not telling the truth he risks jail. That is another pointer to me taht he is telling the truth
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2021, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 04:34:15 PM
Do you realise he has to disclose it if he even questions CB.
Hes given a very good reaeson why he has not yet disclosed it but I dont see how he can keep quiet indefinitely.
Grange will need to know even if CB is not charged because they have vowed to keep on looking....and of course the parents. .

Then of course if he is not charged will CB just accept the slur against him...named as the murderer of MM...surely he would sue and the evidence would then be disclosed.

we need to wait...you are just to keen to dicmiss it when you have no idea what it is

If he can't get the evidence he needs he won't question CB. He's obviously under no obligation to tell the parents or Grange anything; in fact he appears to have misled us about his dealings with both of them. I think you're placing your faith in something that may never be revealed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 06:56:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2021, 06:47:09 PM
If he can't get the evidence he needs he won't question CB. He's obviously under no obligation to tell the parents or Grange anything; in fact he appears to have misled us about his dealings with both of them. I think you're placing your faith in something that may never be revealed.

Again I think we need to wait and see...and it isnt faith...even though you and others try to make out all my conclussions are based on faith...they are based on reason but I dont expect you and others to accept that. It simply goes too much against everything you believe to be true.

I dont see hes misled anyone...again its you putting your slant on things to suit your agenda.

As I have said....if he doesnt have the evidence...he could be going to jail. I dont see he would take taht risk

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 31, 2021, 07:08:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 06:56:50 PM
Again I think we need to wait and see...and it isnt faith...even though you and others try to make out all my conclussions are based on faith...they are based on reason but I dont expect you and others to accept that. It simply goes too much against everything you believe to be true.

I dont see hes misled anyone...again its you putting your slant on things to suit your agenda.

As I have said....if he doesnt have the evidence...he could be going to jail. I dont see he would take taht risk

I don’t think he’d take that risk either...he knows his position will protect him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 31, 2021, 07:08:48 PM
I don’t think he’d take that risk either...he knows his position will protect him.

I asked you for a cite but you cant give one because as I undersatnd it isnt true.  If it isnt true you agree with me he wouldnt take the risk.....so based on that he must have the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 07:14:19 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 31, 2021, 07:08:48 PM
I don’t think he’d take that risk either...he knows his position will protect him.

From what I have read he is allowed to make reasonable staements based on evidence. ...certainly not declare someone guilty before a trial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 07:25:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 07:12:13 PM
I asked you for a cite but you cant give one because as I undersatnd it isnt true.  If it isnt true you agree with me he wouldnt take the risk.....so based on that he must have the evidence
Is that logical?   I have my doubts but not the energy ATM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 07:26:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 07:14:19 PM
From what I have read he is allowed to make reasonable statements based on evidence. ...certainly not declare someone guilty before a trial
Did he go that far?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 07:28:10 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 07:25:21 PM
Is that logical?   I have my doubts but not the energy ATM.

yes it is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 07:29:02 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 07:26:55 PM
Did he go that far?

yes....have you listened to what he has said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 31, 2021, 07:29:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 07:14:19 PM
From what I have read he is allowed to make reasonable staements based on evidence. ...certainly not declare someone guilty before a trial

I think your mind is closed and nothing I or anyone else says will change that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 07:32:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 07:29:02 PM
yes....have you listened to what he has said
Are you referring to the Saunokonoko podcast?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 07:32:17 PM
Are you referring to the Saunokonoko podcast?

no the 60 mins australian doc
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 31, 2021, 07:29:16 PM
I think your mind is closed and nothing I or anyone else says will change that.

and you know how little I value your opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 07:38:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 07:34:22 PM
no the 60 mins australian doc
"Bloody Aussies, no surprises there!"  OK

"User 'Davel' has blocked your personal message."  Unblock me please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 07:41:25 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 07:38:15 PM
"Bloody Aussies, no surprises there!"  OK

precisely...my son worked as a GP in Adelaide for about 3 years... I thought hed stay but he back in the UK now
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on January 31, 2021, 07:43:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 07:36:52 PM
and you know how little I value your opinion

A man of, allegedly, science relying on faith..interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on January 31, 2021, 07:43:15 PM
A man of, allegedly, science relying on faith..interesting.

I think you have misread the posts....you do get a lot wrong...... I dont rely on faith.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 07:58:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 07:41:25 PM
precisely...my son worked as a GP in Adelaide for about 3 years... I thought hed stay but he back in the UK now
I thought you had promised not to block me.  ""User 'Davel' has blocked your personal message."  Unblock me please?"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 07:59:45 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 07:58:42 PM
I thought you had promised not to block me.  ""User 'Davel' has blocked your personal message."  Unblock me please?"

my pleasure...on the condition you dont send me any critical emails
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2021, 08:03:32 PM
unblocked
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 11:35:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 07:59:45 PM
my pleasure...on the condition you dont send me any critical emails
I just need your help.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 01, 2021, 06:02:10 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 31, 2021, 11:35:31 PM
I just need your help.
So did the Beatles, they just got on and sung about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 01, 2021, 06:35:50 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 01, 2021, 06:02:10 AM
So did the Beatles, they just got on and sung about it.
What was the name of the song?  Help!  Of course.   But what about this one?  "TobyMac - I just need U." https://youtu.be/4wNpOeakhEM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 10:19:05 AM
If CB did sue HCW for libel then CB would be a witness... Not the defendant... And would not have the right to silence. Looks like Wolters is a lot smarter than some give him credit for
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 01, 2021, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 10:19:05 AM
If CB did sue HCW for libel then CB would be a witness... Not the defendant... And would not have the right to silence. Looks like Wolters is a lot smarter than some give him credit for

As I recall the McCann couple were under no obligation to speak during the defamation trial they instigated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2021, 10:49:48 AM
As I recall the McCann couple were under no obligation to speak during the defamation trial they instigated.
For Wolters it would be a criminal trial so witnesses are compelled to give evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 10:51:48 AM
For Wolters it would be a criminal trial so witnesses are compelled to give evidence

Libel is a civil matter.

If Wolter had broken the law by lying about Brueckner it would be the state taking him to court and Brueckner couldn’t be compelled to give testimony.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 01, 2021, 11:49:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 10:51:48 AM
For Wolters it would be a criminal trial so witnesses are compelled to give evidence

On what evidence are you basing your opinion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2021, 11:49:39 AM
On what evidence are you basing your opinion?

German defamation law
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 11:44:37 AM
Libel is a civil matter.

If Wolter had broken the law by lying about Brueckner it would be the state taking him to court and Brueckner couldn’t be compelled to give testimony.

In some countries... Germany for instance.. Libel can tried under criminal law... Happy to correct you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 11:53:50 AM
In some countries... Germany for instance.. Libel can tried under criminal law... Happy to correct you

Then my point stands. The state would be suing Wolter and Brueckner need take no part if he chooses.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 12:06:30 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 12:01:15 PM
Then my point stands. The state would be suing Wolter and Brueckner need take no part if he chooses.

You haven't got a clue. Witnesses have to give evidence in a criminal trial... Except for some specific exceptions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 01, 2021, 12:09:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 12:06:30 PM
You haven't got a clue. Witnesses have to give evidence in a criminal trial... Except for some specific exceptions
What if the take the stand and keep their mouth shut? What then? Contempt and a £30 fine? Colditz?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: The General on February 01, 2021, 12:09:33 PM
What if the take the stand and keep their mouth shut? What then? Contempt and a £30 fine? Colditz?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 12:01:15 PM
Then my point stands. The state would be suing Wolter and Brueckner need take no part if he chooses.

Wrong again. The state will only prosecute if its a matter of public interest.. Otherwise its a private prosecution
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 12:06:30 PM
You haven't got a clue. Witnesses have to give evidence in a criminal trial... Except for some specific exceptions

Witnesses can be summoned to court but can’t be compelled to give evidence if by answering the question they may incriminate themselves.

Of course this is English law not German.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 12:32:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 12:17:27 PM
Wrong again. The state will only prosecute if its a matter of public interest.. Otherwise its a private prosecution

What?

If Wolter had committed a criminal offence then the state would prosecute him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 12:33:07 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 12:27:55 PM
Witnesses can be summoned to court but can’t be compelled to give evidence if by answering the question they may incriminate themselves.

Of course this is English law not German.

Cite required
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 01, 2021, 12:39:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 12:33:07 PM
Cite required

I think you need to provide cites first to support your opinion that any defamation action brought by CB against Wolters would be a criminal rather than a civil matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 12:41:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 12:33:07 PM
Cite required

https://www.hja.net/can-you-be-forced-to-give-evidence-as-a-witness-know-your-rights/

Does a witness have the right to remain silent in Court?

Each individual summonsed to court may refuse to answer the prosecutor’s questions if they have a “just excuse” for doing so.

A couple of reasons why someone would be:

A genuine fear of reprisals
That the answer to the question might incriminate the witness.


Of course, again, this is English law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2021, 05:58:32 PM
From what I have read HCW could be jailed for those commnets if CB were to sue him...and they were not true

So what you are saying is that HCW believes in his evidence so completely that in a slander case in Germany he believes there is not even a 1% chance of him personally being separated from his loving family and slopping out the bogs for a period of 2 years in a prison in Braunschweig, but not enough evidence to charge CB. Read it back, does that make any sense to you at all. Its nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 04:47:20 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 12:52:54 PM
So what you are saying is that HCW believes in his evidence so completely that in a slander case in Germany he believes there is not even a 1% chance of him personally being separated from his loving family and slopping out the bogs for a period of 2 years in a prison in Braunschweig, but not enough evidence to charge CB. Read it back, does that make any sense to you at all. Its nonsense.

He has said he has strong evidence maddie si dead and CB murdered her...he isnt saying he has proof. If he doesnt have that evidence CB could sue him and potentially see him jailed. CB must be very confidnt
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 04:47:20 PM
He has said he has strong evidence maddie si dead and CB murdered her...he isnt saying he has proof. If he doesnt have that evidence CB could sue him and potentially see him jailed. CB must be very confidnt

So if what you say is true and there is no legal protection for public officials that are appealing for information concerning a serious crime, that makes what HCW said to be extremely foolish, naïve and reckless. He has put himself in an extremely vulnerable position. Is this the man you are pinning your hopes on?
Why would anyone take such a risky approach, we are talking about personal liberty. Can you imagine HCW doing a 2 year stretch, I am not sure he is prison material. Then after release surely not straight back to his old job but instead down to the job centre every 2 weeks. His risk assessment here has gone very wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 01, 2021, 04:52:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 04:47:20 PM
He has said he has strong evidence maddie si dead and CB murdered her...he isnt saying he has proof. If he doesnt have that evidence CB could sue him and potentially see him jailed. CB must be very confidnt
I thought we established last week that the polizei were exempt when in the throes of an active investigation?
Did you miss the Telex?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: The General on February 01, 2021, 04:52:58 PM
I thought we established last week that the polizei were exempt when in the throes of an active investigation?
Did you miss the Telex?


false alarm...they have limited privelege. I dont see it in any way covers...the evidence shows our susspect murdered MM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 04:57:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 04:54:36 PM

false alarm...they have limited privelege. I dont see it in any way covers...the evidence shows our susspect murdered MM

No thank you for my cite?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 04:54:36 PM

false alarm...they have limited privelege. I dont see it in any way covers...the evidence shows our susspect murdered MM

Please provide a cite for public prosecutors in Germany have limited privilege.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 05:18:50 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 05:00:47 PM
Please provide a cite for public prosecutors in Germany have limited privilege.

Do you think they can say anything they like


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 01, 2021, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 05:18:50 PM
Do you think they can say anything they like
Why not, HCW does. He's riffin like Eminem, droppin names and takin numbers:
I don't smile, I don't frown, get too up or get too down by the news
CB was here, so were you, you came and went, I stuck around da Luz
Still here now, stop me how? Your opinion's like a broken calculator
That **** doesn't count, CB's in the frame, nor fortune or fame
Concrete evidence, not proof but enough
Gonna let him stew in stir, interrogate when I'm buff
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 05:18:50 PM
Do you think they can say anything they like

If you provide the cite I can then read it and then get back to you with an answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 05:00:47 PM
Please provide a cite for public prosecutors in Germany have limited privilege.

I would think it will be the same as in the UK and we've been through it before



the defence of absolute privilege protects statements which can fairly be said to be part of the process of investigating a crime or possible crime,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 05:33:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 05:29:46 PM
I would think it will be the same as in the UK and we've been through it before



the defence of absolute privilege protects statements which can fairly be said to be part of the process of investigating a crime or possible crime,

So what was all this guff

This is interesting... im sure wolters understands German law....

Whoever asserts or disseminates a fact about another person which is suitable for degrading that person or negatively affecting public opinion about that person, unless this fact can be proved to be true, incurs a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year or a fine and, if the offence was committed publicly or by disseminating material (section 11 (3)), a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or a fine.


so Wolters is risking prison if he doesnt have the evidence...not 50 p a week as the General suggested

How does that relate to the legal defence of absolute privilege?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 05:33:38 PM
So what was all this guff

This is interesting... im sure wolters understands German law....

Whoever asserts or disseminates a fact about another person which is suitable for degrading that person or negatively affecting public opinion about that person, unless this fact can be proved to be true, incurs a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year or a fine and, if the offence was committed publicly or by disseminating material (section 11 (3)), a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or a fine.


so Wolters is risking prison if he doesnt have the evidence...not 50 p a week as the General suggested

How does that relate to the legal defence of absolute privilege?

I think he’s tangled himself up a bit...and not for the first time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 05:33:38 PM
So what was all this guff

This is interesting... im sure wolters understands German law....

Whoever asserts or disseminates a fact about another person which is suitable for degrading that person or negatively affecting public opinion about that person, unless this fact can be proved to be true, incurs a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year or a fine and, if the offence was committed publicly or by disseminating material (section 11 (3)), a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or a fine.


so Wolters is risking prison if he doesnt have the evidence...not 50 p a week as the General suggested

How does that relate to the legal defence of absolute privilege?
Cite that Wolters statements are covered by absolute privelige rather than qualified privelige
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 05:38:49 PM
Cite that Wolters statements are covered by absolute privelige rather than qualified privelige

Please provide me the cite I requested earlier and I will respond to your request. First in first out.
If you don't have the cite please add "in my opinion". You can't pass opinion as fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 05:29:46 PM
I would think it will be the same as in the UK and we've been through it before



the defence of absolute privilege protects statements which can fairly be said to be part of the process of investigating a crime or possible crime,

And how do these 2 statements from you within the last hour make sense, one says they have limited privilege the other says absolute privilege covers them. Which is it limited or absolute?

“false alarm...they have limited privelege. I dont see it in any way covers...the evidence shows our susspect murdered MM”

“I would think it will be the same as in the UK and we've been through it before
the defence of absolute privilege protects statements which can fairly be said to be part of the process of investigating a crime or possible crime,”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 05:57:50 PM
Quote from: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 05:45:13 PM
And how do these 2 statements from you within the last hour make sense, one says they have limited privilege the other says absolute privilege covers them. Which is it limited or absolute?

“false alarm...they have limited privelege. I dont see it in any way covers...the evidence shows our susspect murdered MM”

“I would think it will be the same as in the UK and we've been through it before
the defence of absolute privilege protects statements which can fairly be said to be part of the process of investigating a crime or possible crime,”

Both those statements are compatible with each other. In some circumstances the police have absolute privelige... In others qualified
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 05:57:50 PM
Both those statements are compatible with each other. In some circumstances the police have absolute privelige... In others qualified

Interesting, every day is a school day.
What circumstances cover absolute and which qualified?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 01, 2021, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 05:57:50 PM
Both those statements are compatible with each other. In some circumstances the police have absolute privelige... In others qualified

So what are those circumstances...with cite please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2021, 06:35:48 PM
l “Absolute privilege” – public policy protects defamatory allegations
made in certain situations, for example, statements made in judicial
proceedings; fair and accurate contemporaneous reports of such
proceedings; statements made, and documents created, in the
course of a police criminal investigation

This is from a pdf which I cannot link to on my phone.. Its clear that for police reports to be protected by absolute privilege they must be fair and accurate...
Is Wolters statement that CB murdered Maddie fair and accurate... If it isn't Wolters could be sued... Will provide link later...


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.slatergordon.co.uk/media/137337/police-law-defamation.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj1ioOWqsnuAhX3QhUIHRFYDsMQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2jkLeOP4kS63ZPGzZ6VQJ5
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on February 01, 2021, 06:40:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 06:35:48 PM
l “Absolute privilege” – public policy protects defamatory allegations
made in certain situations, for example, statements made in judicial
proceedings; fair and accurate contemporaneous reports of such
proceedings; statements made, and documents created, in the
course of a police criminal investigation

This is from a pdf which I cannot link to on my phone.. Its clear that for police reports to be protected by absolute privilege they must be fair and accurate...
Is Wolters statement that CB murdered Maddie fair and accurate... If it isn't Wolters could be sued... Will provide link later...


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.slatergordon.co.uk/media/137337/police-law-defamation.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj1ioOWqsnuAhX3QhUIHRFYDsMQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2jkLeOP4kS63ZPGzZ6VQJ5

I know what absolute privilege is, I was the one who introduced it to the forum last week remember. But educate me on the circumstances you mention concerning absolute and qualified and also that cite if you can.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Icanhandlethetruth on February 02, 2021, 12:20:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2021, 06:35:48 PM
l “Absolute privilege” – public policy protects defamatory allegations
made in certain situations, for example, statements made in judicial
proceedings; fair and accurate contemporaneous reports of such
proceedings; statements made, and documents created, in the
course of a police criminal investigation

This is from a pdf which I cannot link to on my phone.. Its clear that for police reports to be protected by absolute privilege they must be fair and accurate...
Is Wolters statement that CB murdered Maddie fair and accurate... If it isn't Wolters could be sued... Will provide link later...


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.slatergordon.co.uk/media/137337/police-law-defamation.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj1ioOWqsnuAhX3QhUIHRFYDsMQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2jkLeOP4kS63ZPGzZ6VQJ5

I hate to point it out as I don’t like to kick a man when he is down but you even misinterpret the passage you quoted above.

You say “Its clear that for police reports to be protected by absolute privilege they must be fair and accurate…” but it doesn’t say police reports must be fair and accurate, just contemporaneous reports recorded during court cases.
“statements made in judicial proceedings”  - means court cases heard before a judge
“fair and accurate contemporaneous reports of such proceedings” - such proceedings refer to the court cases and contemporaneous reports are reports that were taken down during the court case.
Then the bit after the semi colon; “and documents created, in the course of a police criminal investigation” . Read the passage again and its meaning is not as you purport.

Anyway as you say on the other thread I think it would be good for you to take a rest from posting for a while and come back fresh. All the best!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 05, 2021, 08:59:03 PM
I realise this has been discussed before. Jos Brech and the unidentified e-fit (probably by Jeni Weinberger) have reference. During the timeframe that Brückner was identified and investigated, Brech was arrested in Spain for the murder of Nicky Verstappen. During his trial he said he has a confession/statement locked away in a safe, that will only be released when the time is right. Is this perhaps significant? The attached picture is Brech during sentencing. Also, Martin Ney who is currently being re-investigated in Madeleine’s disappearance, was once implicated in Nicky’s disappearance and murder. Where was Brech during April/May 2007?

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 05, 2021, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 05, 2021, 08:59:03 PM
I realise this has been discussed before. Jos Brech and the unidentified e-fit (probably by Jeni Weinberger) have reference. During the timeframe that Brückner was identified and investigated, Brech was arrested in Spain for the murder of Nicky Verstappen. During his trial he said he has a confession/statement locked away in a safe, that will only be released when the time is right. Is this perhaps significant? The attached picture is Brech during sentencing. Also, Martin Ney who is currently being re-investigated in Madeleine’s disappearance, was once implicated in Nicky’s disappearance and murder. Where was Brech during April/May 2007?

Re Martin Ney.Lead investigators.

The British press has also linked him to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who was snatched from her parents' rented apartment during a holiday in Portugal in 2007.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210126/german-serial-killer-charged-with-murder-of-10-year-old-boy-in-france

TV station RTL claimed Scotland Yard, after reviewing evidence, had suggested he be re-interviewed over Madeleine.


Past tense, had..

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13830511/madeleine-mccann-martin-ney-questioned-murderer/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2021, 03:50:38 PM
Is a sticking point to advancing against even questioning CB the inconclusive DNA results from the Scenic, as it been confirmed that there is no way on earth her DNA can be found in the samples, if not then there is that reasonable doubt against CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 06, 2021, 04:42:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 05, 2021, 09:45:25 PM
Re Martin Ney.Lead investigators.

The British press has also linked him to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who was snatched from her parents' rented apartment during a holiday in Portugal in 2007.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210126/german-serial-killer-charged-with-murder-of-10-year-old-boy-in-france

TV station RTL claimed Scotland Yard, after reviewing evidence, had suggested he be re-interviewed over Madeleine.




Past tense, had..

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13830511/madeleine-mccann-martin-ney-questioned-murderer/

I hadn't seen that Ney had been charged by the French, I thought they were still at the questioning stage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2021, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 03:50:38 PM
Is a sticking point to advancing against even questioning CB the inconclusive DNA results from the Scenic, as it been confirmed that there is no way on earth her DNA can be found in the samples, if not then there is that reasonable doubt against CB.
?  What have the Scenic samples got to do with the case against CB?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2021, 05:12:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2021, 05:06:32 PM
?  What have the Scenic samples got to do with the case against CB?

I didn't understand that either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 05:45:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 06, 2021, 05:12:21 PM
I didn't understand that either.
Was it the inconclusive DNA results from the hire car would add to the level of reasonable doubt that CB is guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2021, 05:51:27 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 05:45:11 PM
Was it the inconclusive DNA results from the hire car would add to the level of reasonable doubt that CB is guilty.

I don't know.  What do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:02:14 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 06, 2021, 05:51:27 PM
I don't know.  What do you think?
I have never been on a jury having to decide what is reasonable doubt.  I'm sure a defense lawyer would raise the issue if there was little else against him.
What have we got at the moment?
His phone being used an hour or more prior to a person reported missing.
Changing the car ownership the day after.
Child sex abuse images in a position where they are effectively destroyed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 06, 2021, 06:10:49 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:02:14 PM
I have never been on a jury having to decide what is reasonable doubt.  I'm sure a defense lawyer would raise the issue if there was little else against him.
What have we got at the moment?
His phone being used an hour or more prior to a person reported missing.
Changing the car ownership the day after.
Child sex abuse images in a position where they are effectively destroyed.

He also has a variety of convictions that point to him being a thoroughly  bad lot, but do not support his involvement in this case.
IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:15:38 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 05:45:11 PM
Was it the inconclusive DNA results from the hire car would add to the level of reasonable doubt that CB is guilty.


Exactly, a half decent defence would pick up on it. It has to be ruled out imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:17:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 06, 2021, 06:10:49 PM
He also has a variety of convictions that point to him being a thoroughly  bad lot, but do not support his involvement in this case.
IMO
I think his convictions point to a predeliction for entering people’s homes with a view to theft and / or committing sexual crime plus an interest in young girls.  They do support the view that he may be involved in the abduction of a young girl from her bed, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:20:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:15:38 PM

Exactly, a half decent defence would pick up on it. It has to be ruled out imo.
I very much doubt that it would be allowed to be entered as evidence for the defence, as imo it’s entirely inconclusive and irrelevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:17:52 PM
I think his convictions point to a predeliction for entering people’s homes with a view to theft and / or committing sexual crime plus an interest in young girls.  They do support the view that he may be involved in the abduction of a young girl from her bed, IMO.

It does? Wolters doesn't say this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 06, 2021, 06:10:49 PM
He also has a variety of convictions that point to him being a thoroughly  bad lot, but do not support his involvement in this case.
IMO
Each conviction has to be judged separately.   In NZ, and probably the UK, past convictions aren't raised in the case being judged.   The police will be well aware of the previous convictions but the evidence against him has to be specific to the McCann case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:28:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:20:09 PM
I very much doubt that it would be allowed to be entered as evidence for the defence, as imo it’s entirely inconclusive and irrelevant.

Therefore reasonable doubt exist's. Seven months ago the BKA told the world it had concrete evidence they had a suspect who murdered Madeleine McCann, they still have not even questioned him despite appealing for help, something is holding them back, as you have just shown in another thread forensics is the key, the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic has to be cleared up imo.Remember the onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, ergo they can't in this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:30:12 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:25:39 PM
Each conviction has to be judged separately.   In NZ, and probably the UK, past convictions aren't raised in the case being judged.   The police will be well aware of the previous convictions but the evidence against him has to be specific to the McCann case.

IMO they can only be taken into consideration once a guilty verdict be delivered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:32:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:28:38 PM
Therefore reasonable doubt exist's. Seven months ago the BKA told the world it had concrete evidence they had a suspect who murdered Madeleine McCann, they still have not even questioned him despite appealing for help, something is holding them back, as you have just shown in another thread forensics is the key, the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic has to be cleared up imo.Remember the onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, ergo they can't in this case.
I agree there is not enough evidence against CB currently but I don’t think a speck of Madeleine’s DNA in the hire car would let him off the hook, after all it could easily be argued it got there through transferrence. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:33:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:20:44 PM
It does? Wolters doesn't say this.
Did I say he did?  If they were irrelevant in his view though why would they have been mentioned at all?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:20:44 PM
It does? Wolters doesn't say this.
It would be a mistrial if he ever did IMO. 

Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:33:27 PM
Did I say he did?  If they were irrelevant in his view though why would they have been mentioned at all?
He was appealing the conviction for rape.  I think that is why it came to our attention.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:36:21 PM
It would be a mistrial if he ever did IMO. 


In what way Rob?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:39:27 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:36:21 PM

He was appealing the conviction for rape.  I think that is why it came to our attention.

Wasn't it the press who raised it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:43:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:37:48 PM
In what way Rob?
The case would be appealed on the basis the jury was persuaded prior to the case.   I'm NOT a lawyer, but there has to be some reason why previous convictions are not discussed prior to the court case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:43:29 PM
The case would be appealed on the basis the jury was persuaded prior to the case.   I'm NOT a lawyer, but there has to be some reason why previous convictions are not discussed prior to the court case.
CB would not be tried in front of a jury.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:47:03 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:39:27 PM
Wasn't it the press who raised it?
From the opening post of this thread

“And his criminal record, disclosed by the German police, is a disturbing guide as to what his motivations might have been”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 06, 2021, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:28:38 PM
Therefore reasonable doubt exist's. Seven months ago the BKA told the world it had concrete evidence they had a suspect who murdered Madeleine McCann, they still have not even questioned him despite appealing for help, something is holding them back, as you have just shown in another thread forensics is the key, the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic has to be cleared up imo.Remember the onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, ergo they can't in this case.
I agree. In my opinion, the BKA may be holding back due to other developments connected to Madeleine’s case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:52:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:44:37 PM
CB would not be tried in front of a jury.
Resorting to Google:

"Typically, in a criminal trial, the prosecutor cannot present evidence of prior convictions to attempt to prove guilt by suggesting that the defendant exhibits a pattern of criminal behavior. The issue of prior convictions being used as evidence generally only arises when the defendant chooses to testify."

These convictions might be discussed prior to a charge being laid.  There seems to be a change in behaviour once a charge is laid against that person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:55:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2021, 06:47:03 PM
From the opening post of this thread

“And his criminal record, disclosed by the German police, is a disturbing guide as to what his motivations might have been”.

Have you seen what the police officially disclosed ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2021, 07:13:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:55:29 PM
Have you seen what the police officially disclosed ?
his criminal record, as stated in the article.  How else would we know about it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2021, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2021, 07:13:27 PM
his criminal record, as stated in the article.  How else would we know about it?

All it say's is below, nothing about burglaries, nothing about abduction's

The man has two previous convictions for "sexual contact with girls", according to Christian Hoppe from Germany's federal criminal police office.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:28:38 PM
Therefore reasonable doubt exist's. Seven months ago the BKA told the world it had concrete evidence they had a suspect who murdered Madeleine McCann, they still have not even questioned him despite appealing for help, something is holding them back, as you have just shown in another thread forensics is the key, the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic has to be cleared up imo.Remember the onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, ergo they can't in this case.

Why do you think the BKA should question someone until it suits them to do so?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 06:28:38 PM
Therefore reasonable doubt exist's. Seven months ago the BKA told the world it had concrete evidence they had a suspect who murdered Madeleine McCann, they still have not even questioned him despite appealing for help, something is holding them back, as you have just shown in another thread forensics is the key, the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic has to be cleared up imo.Remember the onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, ergo they can't in this case.

Please be specific which DNA samples you refer to in your post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 06:52:11 PM
Resorting to Google:

"Typically, in a criminal trial, the prosecutor cannot present evidence of prior convictions to attempt to prove guilt by suggesting that the defendant exhibits a pattern of criminal behavior. The issue of prior convictions being used as evidence generally only arises when the defendant chooses to testify."

These convictions might be discussed prior to a charge being laid.  There seems to be a change in behaviour once a charge is laid against that person.

Scots law allows consideration of previous proven offences in very particular circumstances.   If I recall accurately, particularly offences involving children.



The Moorov doctrine can be used where a series of crimes have been committed and are closely linked by time, character, circumstance and place of commission as to constitute a course of conduct by the accused. The accused must be positively identified in each case.

Corroboration in Scots law - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corroboration_in_Scots_law
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 08:38:22 PM
Please be specific which DNA samples you refer to in your post.
"The girl's DNA" is referring to Madeleine's DNA from any sample taken from the car.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2021, 09:36:52 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 08:38:22 PM
Please be specific which DNA samples you refer to in your post.

"the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic" The car hired by the McCanns was a Scenic, I believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2021, 09:38:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2021, 07:25:10 PM
All it say's is below, nothing about burglaries, nothing about abduction's

The man has two previous convictions for "sexual contact with girls", according to Christian Hoppe from Germany's federal criminal police office.
He doesn’t have a conviction for abduction so why would you expect that to be mentioned?  How would the press know about his previous convictions if not disclosed by the police?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 09:42:25 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 08:48:24 PM
Scots law allows consideration of previous proven offences in very particular circumstances.   If I recall accurately, particularly offences involving children.



The Moorov doctrine can be used where a series of crimes have been committed and are closely linked by time, character, circumstance and place of commission as to constitute a course of conduct by the accused. The accused must be positively identified in each case.

Corroboration in Scots law - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corroboration_in_Scots_law
Scots Law I take it to mean the law as it is applied in Scotland.  Each state could have its own style of law.  If the case is held in Germany it will be German Law that is applied IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 09:26:11 PM
"The girl's DNA" is referring to Madeleine's DNA from any sample taken from the car.

Which is what exactly?

I was rather looking forward to a response from Barrier which as far as queries made by me are concerned would be a rather unique event.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 10:43:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2021, 09:36:52 PM
"the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic" The car hired by the McCanns was a Scenic, I believe.

I believe you may be spot on as far as the McCann hire car goes ~ how's about giving a cite for Madeleine's (AKA "the girl's") DNA recovered from it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 10:55:48 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 09:42:25 PM
Scots Law I take it to mean the law as it is applied in Scotland.  Each state could have its own style of law.  If the case is held in Germany it will be German Law that is applied IMO

Of course German law will be applicable in Germany just as Ney will face prosecution in France under French Law, the outcome of which may indeed be why all is presently 'quiet on the Western Front" as far as Brueckner's case is concerned.

Do you know enough about German Law to determine whether or not there is an equivalent protocol to the Scottish Moorov doctrine accepted there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 11:24:42 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Which is what exactly?

I was rather looking forward to a response from Barrier which as far as queries made by me are concerned would be a rather unique event.
Which is what the PJ thought they could find?  Or did they know more than they are letting on?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 11:26:39 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 10:55:48 PM
Of course German law will be applicable in Germany just as Ney will face prosecution in France under French Law, the outcome of which may indeed be why all is presently 'quiet on the Western Front" as far as Brueckner's case is concerned.

Do you know enough about German Law to determine whether or not there is an equivalent protocol to the Scottish Moorov doctrine accepted there?
I haven't even attempted to understand German Law. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 11:51:00 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 11:24:42 PM
Which is what the PJ thought they could find?  Or did they know more than they are letting on?

I have no idea at all what the PJ reasoning of the time was but the forensic results recorded in the files have been published on the internet and I would really like to know where members are getting their information from which enables posts referring to "the girl's" DNA.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 11:58:30 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 06, 2021, 11:26:39 PM
I haven't even attempted to understand German Law.

I'm not even thinking of going there.  Best left to the expertise of the German prosecutors and defence who I am sure will know their business so much better than us; we'll just have to wait to see where they take it, if anywhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 07, 2021, 12:42:53 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 11:51:00 PM
I have no idea at all what the PJ reasoning of the time was but the forensic results recorded in the files have been published on the internet and I would really like to know where members are getting their information from which enables posts referring to "the girl's" DNA.
Don't those results refer to Madeleine McCann?  I thought they all did.  In other words they are "referring to "the girl's" DNA".
Here is just one example "
01_volume_I_o_apenso_I_Page_282

01_volume_I_o_apenso_I_Page_283

2615 to 2616 Letter dated 11 September regarding FSS report received by PJ on on 4 September from Leicester Police, citing 15/19 matches of Madeleine DNA profile"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELEINES_DNA.htm

from the FSS report:
"There is no evidence to support the view that Madeline MCCann contributed DNA to the swab 3B.

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. Within the DNA profile of Madeline McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. At one of the areas of DNA we routinely examine Madeleine has inherited the same DNA component from both parents; this appears therefore as 1 peak rather than 2, hence 19 rather than 20. Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion."

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 07, 2021, 01:34:32 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 07, 2021, 12:42:53 AM
Don't those results refer to Madeleine McCann?  I thought they all did.  In other words they are "referring to "the girl's" DNA".
Here is just one example "
01_volume_I_o_apenso_I_Page_282

01_volume_I_o_apenso_I_Page_283

2615 to 2616 Letter dated 11 September regarding FSS report received by PJ on on 4 September from Leicester Police, citing 15/19 matches of Madeleine DNA profile"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELEINES_DNA.htm

from the FSS report:
"There is no evidence to support the view that Madeline MCCann contributed DNA to the swab 3B.

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. Within the DNA profile of Madeline McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. At one of the areas of DNA we routinely examine Madeleine has inherited the same DNA component from both parents; this appears therefore as 1 peak rather than 2, hence 19 rather than 20. Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion."

I'm not too sure where you are coming from regarding this Rob since you are perfectly aware of the situation regarding Madeleine's DNA and the Scenic http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg639136#msg639136 and the conclusion Barrier has chosen to adopt apropos Christian Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 07, 2021, 01:53:44 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 07, 2021, 01:34:32 AM
I'm not too sure where you are coming from regarding this Rob since you are perfectly aware of the situation regarding Madeleine's DNA and the Scenic http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg639136#msg639136 and the conclusion Barrier has chosen to adopt apropos Christian Brueckner.
No, I am not aware of this. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 07, 2021, 02:29:36 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 07, 2021, 01:53:44 AM
No, I am not aware of this.
? ? Rob ~ you posted "Was it the inconclusive DNA results from the hire car http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg639136#msg639136 so how on earth do you now contend to be unaware of the situation regarding Madeleine's DNA and the Scenic which you have very recently posted about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 07, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 06, 2021, 10:55:48 PM
Of course German law will be applicable in Germany just as Ney will face prosecution in France under French Law, the outcome of which may indeed be why all is presently 'quiet on the Western Front" as far as Brueckner's case is concerned.



You've raised an interesting point, who has primacy for Ney a German killing a French citizen in France? obvious answer one can conclude would be France ,because he's been extradited to France and been charged, now apply that to the Madeleine case, if and its the biggest if ever, they were to find evidence to take to a court and charge CB which country would have primacy, a brit disappears in Portugal at the hand's of a German what a conundrum, who would want the glory or the poisoned chalice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 07, 2021, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 07, 2021, 02:29:36 AM
? ? Rob ~ you posted "Was it the inconclusive DNA results from the hire car http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg639136#msg639136 so how on earth do you now contend to be unaware of the situation regarding Madeleine's DNA and the Scenic which you have very recently posted about?
It was the " and the conclusion Barrier has chosen to adopt apropos Christian Brueckner" bit I'm not aware of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 07, 2021, 11:05:06 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 07, 2021, 10:57:22 AM
It was the " and the conclusion Barrier has chosen to adopt apropos Christian Brueckner" bit I'm not aware of.

Precisely ~ and until Barrier choses to clarify the situation you are not the only one.  He has been asked so at the moment the ball is in his court as we await a response with interest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 07, 2021, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 07, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
You've raised an interesting point, who has primacy for Ney a German killing a French citizen in France? obvious answer one can conclude would be France ,because he's been extradited to France and been charged, now apply that to the Madeleine case, if and its the biggest if ever, they were to find evidence to take to a court and charge CB which country would have primacy, a brit disappears in Portugal at the hand's of a German what a conundrum, who would want the glory or the poisoned chalice.

Might all depend on who was interested.

In Ney's case the Germans are maybe not interested because the French are willing to prosecute, whereas in Brueckners' case, the Germans prosecuted him for rape in another country because the Portuguese couldn't, or wouldn't prosecute him.

If Brueckner  ever faces any charge over Madeleine, Portugal would have 'first dibs' as the crime occurred there.

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 07, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 07, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
You've raised an interesting point, who has primacy for Ney a German killing a French citizen in France? obvious answer one can conclude would be France ,because he's been extradited to France and been charged, now apply that to the Madeleine case, if and its the biggest if ever, they were to find evidence to take to a court and charge CB which country would have primacy, a brit disappears in Portugal at the hand's of a German what a conundrum, who would want the glory or the poisoned chalice.

Neither the German judicial system or the French appear to suffer from the angst of deciding 'glory' or 'poison' as they go about attempting to dispense evidence based justice.
In my opinion both investigative countries are just adopting the protocols in existence as they reflect the current individual situations of Ney and Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 07, 2021, 11:18:39 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 07, 2021, 11:06:26 AM
Might all depend on who was interested.

In Ney's case the Germans are maybe not interested because the French are willing to prosecute, whereas in Brueckners' case, the Germans prosecuted him for rape in another country because the Portuguese couldn't, or wouldn't prosecute him.

If Brueckner  ever faces any charge over Madeleine, Portugal would have 'first dibs' as the crime occurred there.

IMO
In which case the likelihood of Madeleine ever receiving justice are virtually nil, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 07, 2021, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 07, 2021, 11:06:26 AM
Might all depend on who was interested.

In Ney's case the Germans are maybe not interested because the French are willing to prosecute, whereas in Brueckners' case, the Germans prosecuted him for rape in another country because the Portuguese couldn't, or wouldn't prosecute him.

If Brueckner  ever faces any charge over Madeleine, Portugal would have 'first dibs' as the crime occurred there.

IMO

I think any action taken might be decided on the statutes of limitations in force in a particular country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 07, 2021, 11:33:34 AM

The Germans are going to do this if anyone does.  All other options were discarded by The Portuguese a long time ago, mainly due to incompetence.  It's too late for them now, even if they knew how.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 07, 2021, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 07, 2021, 11:33:34 AM
The Germans are going to do this if anyone does.  All other options were discarded by The Portuguese a long time ago, mainly due to incompetence.  It's too late for them now, even if they knew how.

I admire what I have seen of their no nonsense professional approach to addressing the problem of removing very dangerous assailants to where they can do no harm to innocents, in one case under discussion, permanently and in the other, for the next few years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 07, 2021, 06:53:52 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 07, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
You've raised an interesting point, who has primacy for Ney a German killing a French citizen in France? obvious answer one can conclude would be France ,because he's been extradited to France and been charged, now apply that to the Madeleine case, if and its the biggest if ever, they were to find evidence to take to a court and charge CB which country would have primacy, a brit disappears in Portugal at the hand's of a German what a conundrum, who would want the glory or the poisoned chalice.
As  I see it it would depend on who had the evidence. Portugal it seems does not so cannot apply for an arrest warrant. CB is in Germany.. If the Germans charge him I don't see how the Portuguese could then apply for an arrest warrant until the case against him in Germany is closed
 So as regards prosecution it seems Germany has primacy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 13, 2021, 08:56:57 PM
RTP aired an episode in which Joana Eilts featured. She, Diana Menkes, Hazel Behan and Madeleine were discussed as (possible) victims of Brückner. In my opinion, Eilts may be one of Mr Wolters’ witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 13, 2021, 10:10:26 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 13, 2021, 08:56:57 PM
RTP aired an episode in which Joana Eilts featured. She, Diana Menkes, Hazel Behan and Madeleine were discussed as (possible) victims of Brückner. In my opinion, Eilts may be one of Mr Wolters’ witnesses.

We know Hazel Behan has been ruled out as one of Brueckner’s victims.

What evidence do you think Elits could provide in relation to Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 13, 2021, 10:15:36 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 13, 2021, 10:10:26 PM
We know Hazel Behan has been ruled out as one of Brueckner’s victims.

What evidence do you think Elits could provide in relation to Madeleine?
What was the name of the woman he was charged with raping?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 14, 2021, 12:02:10 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 13, 2021, 10:15:36 PM
What was the name of the woman he was charged with raping?

Diana Mekes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 14, 2021, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 13, 2021, 10:15:36 PM
What was the name of the woman he was charged with raping?
Diana Menkes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 14, 2021, 08:26:51 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 13, 2021, 10:10:26 PM
We know Hazel Behan has been ruled out as one of Brueckner’s victims.

What evidence do you think Elits could provide in relation to Madeleine?

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/09/23/exclusive-new-child-sex-probe-launched-against-maddie-suspect-brueckner-as-it-emerges-he-confessed-at-music-festival-in-spains-andalucia-in-2008/
“In another sickening case just ONE MONTH before Maddie went missing, the girl Joanna Eilts was grabbed by the arm by a naked man she has now named as Christian Brueckner. Taking place on Salema beach, 10kms from Praia da Luz, on April 7, 2007, the individual was naked when he approached the daughter.
According to German prosecutors he first asked her name in English and ‘in a continuous act … he grabbed her by the arm, pulling her to the sand, starting to masturbate’. Luckily she was saved by her older sister Annette, who called their parents for help and the man ran off.
Last month, the pair both recognised him from photos. In addition, their mother saw him run away with a bandage on his arm and a backpack, suggesting he may have been carrying a video camera”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 14, 2021, 09:08:07 AM
Quote from: Anthro on February 14, 2021, 08:26:51 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/09/23/exclusive-new-child-sex-probe-launched-against-maddie-suspect-brueckner-as-it-emerges-he-confessed-at-music-festival-in-spains-andalucia-in-2008/
“In another sickening case just ONE MONTH before Maddie went missing, the girl Joanna Eilts was grabbed by the arm by a naked man she has now named as Christian Brueckner. Taking place on Salema beach, 10kms from Praia da Luz, on April 7, 2007, the individual was naked when he approached the daughter.
According to German prosecutors he first asked her name in English and ‘in a continuous act … he grabbed her by the arm, pulling her to the sand, starting to masturbate’. Luckily she was saved by her older sister Annette, who called their parents for help and the man ran off.
Last month, the pair both recognised him from photos. In addition, their mother saw him run away with a bandage on his arm and a backpack, suggesting he may have been carrying a video camera”.

Thank you Anthro, a terrible ordeal for a young girl? How does this make her a witness in relation to Madeleine’s case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 14, 2021, 09:38:20 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 14, 2021, 09:08:07 AM
Thank you Anthro, a terrible ordeal for a young girl? How does this make her a witness in relation to Madeleine’s case?
Cause she told the press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 14, 2021, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 14, 2021, 09:38:20 AM
Cause she told the press.
Do you have a cite?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 14, 2021, 06:53:27 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 14, 2021, 09:08:07 AM
Thank you Anthro, a terrible ordeal for a young girl? How does this make her a witness in relation to Madeleine’s case?
Depending on what Mr Wolters’ evidence entails, I think she and her sister may be able to assist the Prosecutor in a court of law re. Brückner being in Portugal one month before Madeleine’s disappearance, his behaviour then and again in 2015 in public places, amongst others.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 14, 2021, 09:55:36 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 14, 2021, 06:53:27 PM
Depending on what Mr Wolters’ evidence entails, I think she and her sister may be able to assist the Prosecutor in a court of law re. Brückner being in Portugal one month before Madeleine’s disappearance, his behaviour then and again in 2015 in public places, amongst others.

Yes that may be absolutely true, though it is speculation at this point.

What her evidence can’t do is place Brueckner in Portugal at the time around Madeleine’s disappearance or his behaviour at that time. That is the only evidence that matters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 14, 2021, 09:58:48 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 14, 2021, 09:55:36 PM
Yes that may be absolutely true, though it is speculation at this point.

What her evidence can’t do is place Brueckner in Portugal at the time around Madeleine’s disappearance or his behaviour at that time. That is the only evidence that matters.
I think this is exactly what Wolters is doing. Contacting everyone who ever knew CB and building a picture of exactly where he was.. And when
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 14, 2021, 10:02:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 14, 2021, 09:58:48 PM
I think this is exactly what Wolters is doing. Contacting everyone who ever knew CB and building a picture of exactly where he was.. And when

The witness mentioned would be unable to do that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 14, 2021, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 14, 2021, 10:02:41 PM
The witness mentioned would be unable to do that.
From what's been said I think he's contacting lots of witnesses
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 14, 2021, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 14, 2021, 10:22:19 PM
From what's been said I think he's contacting lots of witnesses

Not sure if a thread exists to discuss the two main witnesses, Helge Bushing and Manfred Seyferth, who passed info to MET/BKA re CB?  Sound very credible and reliable  8)--))

The mention of Manfred reminded me of this old classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcWVL4B-4pI

  8)-)))

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 14, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 14, 2021, 10:22:19 PM
From what's been said I think he's contacting lots of witnesses

Possibly but the witness mentioned will not be able to add anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 15, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6567888/pic-madeleine-mccann-christian-hid-child-abuse-images/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 15, 2021, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 15, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6567888/pic-madeleine-mccann-christian-hid-child-abuse-images/

Is this new information?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 15, 2021, 04:10:15 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 15, 2021, 03:42:08 PM
Is this new information?
The picture of Brückner in the crate factory he owned, is new.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 15, 2021, 04:12:47 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 15, 2021, 04:10:15 PM
The picture of Brückner in the crate factory he owned, is new.
Interesting that his face is blurred out - I suppose all images of him will be treated in the same way by this new documentary, but if this is an example of the revelations unearthed it promises to be a very underwhelming 3 hours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 15, 2021, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 15, 2021, 04:10:15 PM
The picture of Brückner in the crate factory he owned, is new.

I thought I’d seen it before but of course I could be wrong. The information certainly isn’t new.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on February 15, 2021, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 15, 2021, 04:10:15 PM
The picture of Brückner in the crate factory he owned, is new.

It will be interesting to see if there are any other photos the 52yr old ex-girlfriend took of the box factory & other locations/vehicles back in 2009, during her time with Brueckner, on the upcoming Danish documentary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 15, 2021, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: misty on February 15, 2021, 04:18:05 PM
It will be interesting to see if there are any other photos the 52yr old ex-girlfriend took of the box factory & other locations/vehicles back in 2009, during her time with Brueckner, on the upcoming Danish documentary.

I’ll let you know later.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 15, 2021, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: misty on February 15, 2021, 04:18:05 PM
It will be interesting to see if there are any other photos the 52yr old ex-girlfriend took of the box factory & other locations/vehicles back in 2009, during her time with Brueckner, on the upcoming Danish documentary.
I agree, Misty. I wonder if the ex-girlfriend ‘M’ is Maria which Bischof referred to: “ 'He never really stayed in one place. He only talked about his girlfriend Maria – I think she was English and was working in Portugal”.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394211/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-released-prison-months-girl-vanished.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 15, 2021, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 15, 2021, 04:38:06 PM
I agree, Misty. I wonder if the ex-girlfriend ‘M’ is Maria which Bischof referred to: “ 'He never really stayed in one place. He only talked about his girlfriend Maria – I think she was English and was working in Portugal”.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394211/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-released-prison-months-girl-vanished.html

Super-sleuth!  Amazing ability to join the dots.   ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on February 15, 2021, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 15, 2021, 04:38:06 PM
I agree, Misty. I wonder if the ex-girlfriend ‘M’ is Maria which Bischof referred to: “ 'He never really stayed in one place. He only talked about his girlfriend Maria – I think she was English and was working in Portugal”.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394211/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-released-prison-months-girl-vanished.html

According to the Sun article today, Brueckner didn't meet the 52year old woman M. until 2009 so she can't be the same person Bischof referred to from 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 16, 2021, 03:56:26 PM
Interesting

‘ Portuguese Police have insisted that they passed all the relevant details on Brueckner to Scotland Yard in around 2012.

Carlos Fariniha from the Portuguese Judiciary Police (JP) said British police, who launched Operation Grange to locate the missing girl, showed no interest in the name of Brueckner and did not ask for any further details.

He said it wasn't until 2017 when German police provided information on Brueckner that they became interested and have since launched a new appeal for witnesses to come forward.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394211/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-released-prison-months-girl-vanished.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 16, 2021, 04:08:29 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2021, 03:56:26 PM
Interesting

‘ Portuguese Police have insisted that they passed all the relevant details on Brueckner to Scotland Yard in around 2012.

Carlos Fariniha from the Portuguese Judiciary Police (JP) said British police, who launched Operation Grange to locate the missing girl, showed no interest in the name of Brueckner and did not ask for any further details.

He said it wasn't until 2017 when German police provided information on Brueckner that they became interested and have since launched a new appeal for witnesses to come forward.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394211/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-released-prison-months-girl-vanished.html

Looks like the Portuguese realise Breukner may be guilty and are starting damage limitation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 16, 2021, 05:50:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 16, 2021, 04:08:29 PM
Looks like the Portuguese realise Breukner may be guilty and are starting damage limitation
What part of that article made you think that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 16, 2021, 06:38:47 PM
9 month jail time for driving away from a petrol station.  We are left to presume he hadn't paid for the fuel.  hat is quite a steep sentence don't you think.  He was released in Dec 2006 and Madeleine went missing in May.  Quite a large time span really.

Yet the headline "Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner was released from Portuguese prison just months before three-year-old vanished from Praia da Luz villa" 
1 or 2 months but  5 months later, no wonder any connection was missed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 16, 2021, 06:41:55 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 16, 2021, 06:38:47 PM
9 month jail time for driving away from a petrol station.  We are left to presume he hadn't paid for the fuel.  hat is quite a steep sentence don't you think.  He was released in Dec 2006 and Madeleine went missing in May.  Quite a large time span really.

Yet the headline "Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner was released from Portuguese prison just months before three-year-old vanished from Praia da Luz villa" 
1 or 2 months but  5 months later, no wonder any connection was missed.
His jail term was extra long because he wouldn’t give his home address.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 16, 2021, 06:58:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 16, 2021, 06:41:55 PM
His jail term was extra long because he wouldn’t give his home address.
That's right we've been told that before, and I find that interesting as well.  Did the PJ GNR or whatever have no idea where he was living?  He could have been camping most of the time in the camper van.

Does anyone know what he did tell them?  Would they have searched his home?  What would have been the reason to get a search warrant?
So while he is in prison who is keeping an eye on his house?  I think I need to draw up a timeline, it is getting me confused.  When did his mates burgle his house?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 16, 2021, 07:00:57 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 16, 2021, 06:58:32 PM
That's right we've been told that before, and I find that interesting as well.  Did the PJ GNR or whatever have no idea where he was living?  He could have been camping most of the time in the camper van.

Does anyone know what he did tell them?  Would they have searched his home?  What would have been the reason to get a search warrant?
So while he is in prison who is keeping an eye on his house?  I think I need to draw up a timeline, it is getting me confused.  When did his mates burgle his house?
While he was in prison.  He had givrn his address ad “camper van” but still retained the lease kn his rented cottage where all his possessions were, including his rape videos.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 17, 2021, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2021, 03:56:26 PM
Interesting

‘ Portuguese Police have insisted that they passed all the relevant details on Brueckner to Scotland Yard in around 2012.

Carlos Fariniha from the Portuguese Judiciary Police (JP) said British police, who launched Operation Grange to locate the missing girl, showed no interest in the name of Brueckner and did not ask for any further details.

He said it wasn't until 2017 when German police provided information on Brueckner that they became interested and have since launched a new appeal for witnesses to come forward.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394211/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-released-prison-months-girl-vanished.html


I thought they said they had investigated him in 2007 and didn't find anything to link him with Madeleine's disappearance?   Which is it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 17, 2021, 09:52:21 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 17, 2021, 09:37:11 AM

I thought they said they had investigated him in 2007 and didn't find anything to link him with Madeleine's disappearance?   Which is it.


For me agreeing to go on the record is telling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 17, 2021, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 17, 2021, 09:37:11 AM

I thought they said they had investigated him in 2007 and didn't find anything to link him with Madeleine's disappearance?   Which is it.

Is there a conflict?
PJ looked at Brueckner in 2007, passed the info onto OG in 2012, who presumably didn't come to a different conclusion and are re-examining in the light of the German interest.
Isn't that what police do - re-evaluate information ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 17, 2021, 10:33:31 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 17, 2021, 09:53:58 AM
Is there a conflict?
PJ looked at Brueckner in 2007, passed the info onto OG in 2012, who presumably didn't come to a different conclusion and are re-examining in the light of the German interest.
Isn't that what police do - re-evaluate information ?

That's not what the said before,  according to Amaral he was written off.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 17, 2021, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 17, 2021, 10:33:31 AM
That's not what the said before,  according to Amaral he was written off.
There are false alibis.   They are pretty effective in changing the course of an investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 17, 2021, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 17, 2021, 10:33:31 AM
That's not what the said before,  according to Amaral he was written off.

His name would still be on a list of paedophiles living in the area. That would have been passed to OG.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 17, 2021, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 17, 2021, 10:38:36 AM
His name would still be on a list of paedophiles living in the area. That would have been passed to OG.
I thought the Portuguese didn't know about his child sex crimes?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2021, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 17, 2021, 10:33:31 AM
That's not what the said before,  according to Amaral he was written off.

And Amaral has since had a pretty good shot at reiterating this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2021, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 17, 2021, 10:39:56 AM
I thought the Portuguese didn't know about his child sex crimes?

I thought The Portuguese didn't have a List.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 17, 2021, 01:00:25 PM
Brietta posted this on another part of the forum. I'm reposting it because it's important.

What's next for Maddie this year?
by: KAI FELDHAUS published on
January 04, 2021 - 2:51 PM
Leicester - For nearly six months, Kate and Gerry McCann, the parents of Maddie, then 3, who disappeared in 2007, have not spoken publicly.

Now they returned to Facebook with New Year's greetings. The investigation into her missing daughter's case had "slowed down" in 2020 because of the pandemic, the parents write: "But they didn't stop. Hope, energy and determination to find Madeleine and reveal the truth remain unwavering."

What do the McCanns mean by that?

The fact is that in 2020, the Maddie case has made more progress than in the previous 13 years. It has been known since June that there is a new main suspect. The Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office assumes that Christian B. (44) kidnapped and murdered Maddie. Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters says there is "material evidence" for this , but apparently not enough (yet) to charge Christian B. with murder.

The fact is that since it became known that investigators consider Christian B. to be the perpetrator, not much has happened - at least publicly. Hundreds of clues are processed internally. In Hanover a small garden was searched, in Portugal several wells. Investigators from BKA, Scotland Yard and Policia Judicial also met there in the autumn for exchange and coordination.

The fact is that the investigation seems to be "slowed down" to the outside world, may be mainly due to the fact that the investigators have gained time. Since a rape conviction against Christian B. in 2019 became final in November, it is clear that B. will also spend the next seven years behind bars. Bringing the Maddie case to justice is no longer in a hurry: the suspect will not be able to dive and murder will not be time-barred.

What does Maddie's parents expect in the new year?

It is to be assumed that there will not be an indictment in the Maddie case until the prosecution considers the burden of proof to be so overwhelming that it can be sure that Christian B. would be convicted. It is not yet.

More likely, B. will be charged this year for other crimes that have come to light during the Maddie investigation. Witnesses must be heard for this, presumably also abroad. This is currently difficult because of the current travel restrictions.

As soon as the Corona restrictions are relaxed, the investigation against Christian B. is likely to resume.

So that 2021 - as Kate and Gerry McCann wish for themselves and everyone else - will be "brighter and more positive."
https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/mccanns-melden-sich-zu-wort-das-erwartet-maddies-eltern-2021-74734818.bild.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 17, 2021, 06:27:32 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 17, 2021, 10:38:36 AM
His name would still be on a list of paedophiles living in the area. That would have been passed to OG.

600 or so investigated by og  wasn't it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 17, 2021, 06:47:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 17, 2021, 06:27:32 PM
600 or so investigated by og  wasn't it.
Did CB have a history of pedophilia in Portugal?  I know he had been convicted for the fuel thefts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 17, 2021, 06:50:23 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 17, 2021, 06:47:35 PM
Did CB have a history of pedophilia in Portugal?  I know he had been convicted for the fuel thefts.


Good question, just how much is shared between forces .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 17, 2021, 06:55:55 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 17, 2021, 06:50:23 PM

Good question, just how much is shared between forces .
A lot of the early convictions in Germany were in a Juvenile Court.  In NZ at least sometimes that is kept most secret. To give a person another chance to reform.  So I'd imagine it wasn't shared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 17, 2021, 06:58:24 PM
"As soon as the Corona restrictions are relaxed, the investigation against Christian B. is likely to resume."

Well, that will be another couple of years, especially now there are new highly infectious strains.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 17, 2021, 07:02:34 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 17, 2021, 06:58:24 PM
"As soon as the Corona restrictions are relaxed, the investigation against Christian B. is likely to resume."

Well, that will be another couple of years, especially now there are new highly infectious strains.

Here in the UK at least Portugal is a country that is classed as high risk for spreading covid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 17, 2021, 07:40:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 17, 2021, 07:02:34 PM
Here in the UK at least Portugal is a country that is classed as high risk for spreading covid.
But once you've taken your Oxford vaccine are you going to test it out by going there?
The Americans seem to be the least concerned of all. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 21, 2021, 11:58:52 AM
This translated article contains some interesting (new) information for non-German speakers. (Parts of the content may offend some.)

Die Akte Christian B (Der Spiegel, 9 June 2020 by Hubert Gude) (translation courtesy of Ulrike U.) [I have added names to the text that have since become known within the public domain.]

The File Christian B

A German is said to have kidnapped and murdered little Madeleine McCann in Portugal. A court classified him as a "parole failure". Who is the man?

Braunschweig, June 2013. Anja P. and her daughter visit a man she met through the Internet portal Chat2000. Christian B. lives with two dogs in the back room of a run-down kiosk in Braunschweig. There wasn't much going on with him, only once did they get physically closer, Anja K. will later tell the police. She got to know him as a child and animal lover.

When she is back home in the evening, she sends him a text message: "We arrived safely, it was nice again, the time with you is good for me! You are also someone special to me. I am glad to know you."

For the daughter, four years old, the visit was a nightmare. When the police searched the kiosk the next summer, she discovered a digital camera. On the SD card are hundreds of pictures and videos with child pornography as well as photos from that visit. One shows the daughter with her legs spread in a meadow, B. has pushed her underpants to the side and is touching the girl's vagina. Another one shows the girl climbing a tree with B. holding his erect penis in the picture.

In the fall of 2017, the Braunschweig Regional Court sentences Christian B. to one year and three months in prison for "sexual abuse of a child" and possession of 391 child pornography photos and 68 videos. The court expressly does not suspend the sentence on probation. It is to be assumed that the convicted person is a "parole violator", the Chamber finds.

Christian B. has been punished many times in his life. Currently he is in a prison in Kiel because he smuggled kilograms of marijuana to Sylt. In addition, he was sentenced to seven years in December because he allegedly attacked and raped a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal; this sentence is not yet final.

The big question is: Will there be another verdict? This time for life, for murder? The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office is investigating Christian B. in the case of the missing English woman Madeleine McCann. The three-year-old girl disappeared in spring 2007 from a vacation resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal. "We assume", says a spokesman for the authorities, "that the girl is dead."

Praia da Luz, in September 2020. street lamps bathe the white houses and the remains of an ancient wall in a warm light. From the beach, past the church, you walk only a few hundred meters to the Luz Ocean Club, a spacious apartment complex with pretty arches.

The Kiel lawyer Friedrich Fülscher, who defends Christian B., has travelled here. He wants to get a picture of the crime scene and gain his own insights. He stops in front of a window with lowered shutters on the north side of the apartment complex. It belongs to the first floor apartment 5A. The time of day, the silence in the side street - it's like back then.

Between 21.10 and 22 o'clock Madeleine Beth McCann disappeared from this room on 3 May 2007. "If the witness statements are correct, there was a time window of one minute and 30 seconds in which the child could have been abducted at that time," says Fülscher. "The perpetrator had a maximum of three minutes."

Photos by the Portuguese investigators show a plain bedroom with a pine chest of drawers. In the middle of the room are two travel cribs for the twins of the McCann family, two years old at the time. Next to them: Madeleine's bed, the blue and white checked bedspread is neatly folded back.

Since that evening more than 13 years ago, the girl has disappeared. During the night the parents Kate and Gerry McCann informed the British television station BBC and other media. They started a Europe-wide search for their child. Celebrities such as David Beckham made a donation, the then Pope Benedict XVI received the parents in the Vatican and blessed a photo of their missing daughter. Later, the parents themselves became the target of the Portuguese investigators, one of so many twists and turns in this case.

And now, after 13 years, the solution? The murderer is a man from Germany, whom the investigators hadn't seen for a long time, even though he already had a criminal record and lived near the crime scene?

Shortly before Madeleine McCann disappeared, a prepaid cell phone with the Portuguese number 00351 912 730 680 was logged into the radio cell of the crime scene. It was, as was to turn out much later, the cell phone of Christian B. Who was he talking to for 30 minutes? An accomplice? Or someone who could give him an alibi? His lawyer does not want to comment on this. He says: "My client did not commit this crime."

From the window of the bedroom Fülscher goes around the corner to the place where several witnesses stood at that time. In a dead-end street lies the back of the apartment, whose terrace door is said to have been open. A friend of the McCanns testified to having seen a man carrying a child away from the resort. Fülscher says: "This man was later identified and has nothing to do with the disappearance. The case is full of "inconsistencies and contradictions

Würzburg, in the seventies. Christian B. was one year old when he and his brothers came to an adoptive family in Würzburg. He later told a social worker about his broken childhood: beatings and other punishments had been the preferred methods of upbringing, his brothers and he had been abused every day. At the age of 14, he moved into the living group of a children's home. He said he had fared better there.

After secondary school, Christian B. began training as a car mechanic. He broke it off because he wanted to leave Germany at all costs. At 18, he "emigrated" to Portugal, where he worked for a German newspaper, in hotels and car repair shops, said B.

In fact, Christian B. did not emigrate at the time, but fled. He received his first punishment, which was suspended on probation at the age of 16. It involved several thefts and driving without a driver's license.

Then he abused a girl, still a teenager. He followed her into a bush, held her by her upper arm, took his penis out of his pants, lifted the six-year-old's skirt and grabbed her between her legs. The girl cried, B. fled. A little later he abused nine-year-old girl.

B. received two years in prison for "sexually abusing a child, attempting to sexually abuse a child and performing sexual acts in front of a child. Shortly afterwards he traveled to Portugal, where investigators tracked him down after about five years. B. was extradited to Germany and went to prison. After his release at the end of 2000 he traveled back to the Algarve.

"He was a Hallodri, a jack-of-all-trades," Anja P. tells us in a Berlin café. After graduating from high school, she went to Portugal and stayed there for several years, "like Christian and so many others". Together with a friend, she met him at the opening ceremony of the Taberna de Lagos restaurant, and Christian B. waited there. "Everyone in the foreign community knew him. He was striking because he always wore these jackets and drove an old Jaguar. For me, he was a very nice and helpful guy at the time, who kept his head above water with odd jobs and never had any money.

Later, she also worked in the Taberna de Lagos and visited him several times in his house in Praia da Luz. "The house was near a golf course. At that time, Christian collected golf balls, which he later wanted to sell, and sold tickets for boat trips at the port of Lagos."

With his Jaguar, when she broke down on a country road, he towed away her old Fiat Punto, which is prohibited in Portugal. "He was not interested in that. He brought my car to his farm via hidden roads." Then he told her that the Fiat was beyond repair. "I ditched it and got myself another car. At some point I saw that he was driving around in the Punto himself, but that didn't bother me."

Does she think it possible that Christian B. is the murderer of Madeleine? "You always knew that Christian also did crooked things, but not that kind of thing," says Anja P. When the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY Ungelöst" reported on the suspicion in June, "it really shocked me.

The friend who was present at the opening ceremony of the restaurants put it similarly. "I would never have thought that, although everyone knew that they were sure to have one on the waffle," says the woman, who still lives in Portugal. "If someone walks around in a jacket, driving a Jaguar and showing off, but then works as a waiter, you know you'd rather stay away from him.

Praia da Luz, in the summer of 2003. Andrea B. and Yvonne B., two young women from Munich, met a nice "bon vivant" during their vacation - this is how they regarded the man who sold oranges and called his dog "Charlie", the "eternally panting Charlie".

Together they went to the casino. Chris, as they called him, loved to gamble and told about his plan to be a millionaire at the age of 40. After the trip home, they stayed in touch. Chris wrote e-mails which he signed with "Wölkchen".( little cloud)

Hello girls,

how time flies! Now it is already September! I booked a flight to good old Munich yesterday. For a measly 215 Euro! All criminals! Stop Stop, I'm flying to Stuttgart.

The first night I will stay in Augsburg. After that I would like to stretch my nose to the south and come to you. There is so much to tell again, two months are not enough,

Yours

WÖLKCHEN

"Wölkchen" was allowed to stay overnight with them in Munich. Yvonne B. will later tell the police that she never noticed anything about this man. Perhaps he had not quite correctly expressed himself from time to time about the bust of a woman, nothing else. She had never noticed Christian B. as particularly aggressive.

A German musician and IT-technician, who got to know him in 2005 after a gig in a music bar in Lagos, learned that B. also has an uncanny side. The SPIEGEL reached Christian P., 53, via Skype in the small town of Kampot in Cambodia.

"I met Christian from time to time, he fixed my car, I helped him with the TV," he says. Sometimes they would drink wine. "He was quite a messie. The house in Praia da Luz was totally untidy and unkempt."

During a visit, he noticed three stacks of foreign travel documents. "There were 30 to 50 passports lying around in plain sight." When asked about this, Christian B. told about thefts in Praia da Luz and the surrounding area. "He told us that he went on tour from time to time, and climbed up facades in the process.

This is consistent with the findings of the investigators. According to this, Christian B. financed his life in Portugal in the mid-2000s not with odd jobs, but with burglaries and thefts. In April 2006, he and an Austrian accomplice were caught red-handed at a gas station when they were siphoning diesel from a truck. A Portuguese court sentenced them to 258 days in prison.

"I visited him in prison at the time," Christian P. recalls. "He complained about the poor prison conditions and the lousy food. Because there was no alcohol in the prison, I was supposed to bring him oranges sprinkled with vodka, but I didn't want that. That made B. angry.

During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry".

After his release, B. lived in an old VW bus. Madeleine McCann disappeared a few months later, which nobody connected with him at the time.

Saxony-Anhalt, 2010. Christian B. had driven around a lot, in a large American motor home of the brand Winnebago. Now he bought himself a permanent accommodation again. In Saxony-Anhalt, in the community of Am Großen Bruch, he purchased the grounds of an old box factory for 20,000 euros.

B. had big plans at that time. He wanted to open a camping site there, he told a friend. In fact, he was dealing drugs, bought kilograms of marijuana from a dealer in Oranienburg and sold it on Sylt. The drug deals were discovered and he was investigated. Christian B. moved to the kiosk in Braunschweig.

In Internet chats dating from this time, he did not write as a "cloud", but rather as "maddeningly catchy". Also about his perversions, for example in the chat with "panikspatz66".

wahnsinnderholger: "finally wants to f..k a little one!

panikspatz66: "who doesn't want that"

wahnsinnderholger: "catch something small and then use it for days, that's it ..."

panicspatz66: "... is not without danger either."

wahnsinnderholger: "oh if the evidence is destroyed afterwards ..."

panic sparrow66: "mm"

madderholger: "if for example the deepthroat took too long ...😉".

In January 2016 the police searched the grounds of the former factory. Neighbors had complained about the smell of decay. It came from a dead dog that B. had buried there. Under the carcass, the officers discovered a cloth case with six USB sticks and memory cards full of pictures and films showing abused children.

By this time, the kiosk in Braunschweig had already been searched, and Christian B. was threatened with a prison sentence for the child pornography seized there. He fled again to the Algarve. In São Bartolomeu de Messines, Portuguese investigators arrested him in 2017. Several children had reported that a man had exposed his limb and made obscene movements. B. was extradited to Germany.

No investigator had ever connected him with Madeleine McCann and her disappearance. The lead came about because the notorious criminal B. had himself been the victim of a crime.

When he was imprisoned in Portugal for the thefts, two thieves had raided his house in Praia da Luz. They were also from Germany and were after B.'s loot. One of them, Helge Lars B., reported more than ten years later, in August 2017, from a Greek prison near Scotland Yard.

A few months later German investigators visited him in Greece. Helge Lars B. told them that he had never been friends with the "head waiter" he had met a few months before his arrest. When Christian B. was in prison, he and an accomplice drove to Praia da Luz. First they tapped 200 to 300 liters of diesel from the tank behind the house, then they searched the house. It was full of stolen goods, cameras, clothing, laptops. In the closet, he found swimming goggles, which strangely enough were painted gray on the inside. He had taken two video cameras and about 20 tapes with him, his accomplice a revolver.

On some of the videos, both thieves later agreed in court in Braunschweig, they saw Christian B. raping a woman between 70 and 80 years old. Another video showed a girl, about 14 years old, tied to a wooden post. The statements of the two men contradicted each other in parts; the films can no longer be found.

The investigators assumed that three rapes had been filmed and made inquiries in Portugal. In one case they made progress: a 72-year-old woman was abused in 2005 in Praia da Luz in her house near the beach. At the scene of the crime, the Portuguese police had seized a hair that can be attributed with a probability of 244 billion to one Christian B.

Helge Lars B. told even more: Later he saw Christian B. again, at the so-called Dragon Festival in Orgiva, Spain. There Christian B. admitted to having had something to do with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The detectives are always following up new leads, checking new cases all the time.
Was it really like that? Is this the solution to the criminal case that has made more headlines worldwide than almost any other? Circumstantial evidence speaks against Christian B., but guilt or innocence will only be decided by a court, if an indictment is ever made.

The detectives are still following new leads and examining new cases. Portuguese authorities have informed their colleagues about a ten-year-old girl from Germany who was abused on a beach near Praia da Luz four weeks before Madeleine disappeared. The now 23-year-old woman (Joana E) testified that she is now 99 percent sure that the man was B. A woman from Ireland (Hazel B) also came forward and accused B. of being the man who raped and assaulted her in the Algarve in 2004.

"My client does not want to comment on the ongoing investigations and denies that the 72-year-old woman was raped in Portugal," says attorney Fülscher.

Portugal, in September 2020, about half an hour drive from Praia da Luz to the man (Bernard P) who lent Christian B. the VW bus at the time. With long gray hair and a gray full beard, the screwdriver from Germany is leaning against a car with flat tires, his hands are oily, his pants are torn.

On the remote yard near Messines there are rusty VW Golf and Mercedes, as they were modern in the eighties. "I don't want to say anything to Christian," the mechanic immediately says, "he was just here from time to time. He could not understand all the excitement.

He and his son (Flavio P) drove around in the white-yellow VW bus for several years after B. returned it, the man says. About two years ago, officials from the Federal Criminal Police Office came by and picked up the bus. They believe that Madeleine McCann could have been kidnapped with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 21, 2021, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 21, 2021, 11:58:52 AM
This translated article contains some interesting (new) information for non-German speakers. (Parts of the content may offend some.)

Die Akte Christian B (Der Spiegel, 9 June 2020 by Hubert Gude) (translation courtesy of Ulrike U.) [I have added names to the text that have since become known within the public domain.]

The File Christian B

A German is said to have kidnapped and murdered little Madeleine McCann in Portugal. A court classified him as a "parole failure". Who is the man?

Braunschweig, June 2013. Anja P. and her daughter visit a man she met through the Internet portal Chat2000. Christian B. lives with two dogs in the back room of a run-down kiosk in Braunschweig. There wasn't much going on with him, only once did they get physically closer, Anja K. will later tell the police. She got to know him as a child and animal lover.

When she is back home in the evening, she sends him a text message: "We arrived safely, it was nice again, the time with you is good for me! You are also someone special to me. I am glad to know you."

For the daughter, four years old, the visit was a nightmare. When the police searched the kiosk the next summer, she discovered a digital camera. On the SD card are hundreds of pictures and videos with child pornography as well as photos from that visit. One shows the daughter with her legs spread in a meadow, B. has pushed her underpants to the side and is touching the girl's vagina. Another one shows the girl climbing a tree with B. holding his erect penis in the picture.

In the fall of 2017, the Braunschweig Regional Court sentences Christian B. to one year and three months in prison for "sexual abuse of a child" and possession of 391 child pornography photos and 68 videos. The court expressly does not suspend the sentence on probation. It is to be assumed that the convicted person is a "parole violator", the Chamber finds.

Christian B. has been punished many times in his life. Currently he is in a prison in Kiel because he smuggled kilograms of marijuana to Sylt. In addition, he was sentenced to seven years in December because he allegedly attacked and raped a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal; this sentence is not yet final.

The big question is: Will there be another verdict? This time for life, for murder? The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office is investigating Christian B. in the case of the missing English woman Madeleine McCann. The three-year-old girl disappeared in spring 2007 from a vacation resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal. "We assume", says a spokesman for the authorities, "that the girl is dead."

Praia da Luz, in September 2020. street lamps bathe the white houses and the remains of an ancient wall in a warm light. From the beach, past the church, you walk only a few hundred meters to the Luz Ocean Club, a spacious apartment complex with pretty arches.

The Kiel lawyer Friedrich Fülscher, who defends Christian B., has travelled here. He wants to get a picture of the crime scene and gain his own insights. He stops in front of a window with lowered shutters on the north side of the apartment complex. It belongs to the first floor apartment 5A. The time of day, the silence in the side street - it's like back then.

Between 21.10 and 22 o'clock Madeleine Beth McCann disappeared from this room on 3 May 2007. "If the witness statements are correct, there was a time window of one minute and 30 seconds in which the child could have been abducted at that time," says Fülscher. "The perpetrator had a maximum of three minutes."

Photos by the Portuguese investigators show a plain bedroom with a pine chest of drawers. In the middle of the room are two travel cribs for the twins of the McCann family, two years old at the time. Next to them: Madeleine's bed, the blue and white checked bedspread is neatly folded back.

Since that evening more than 13 years ago, the girl has disappeared. During the night the parents Kate and Gerry McCann informed the British television station BBC and other media. They started a Europe-wide search for their child. Celebrities such as David Beckham made a donation, the then Pope Benedict XVI received the parents in the Vatican and blessed a photo of their missing daughter. Later, the parents themselves became the target of the Portuguese investigators, one of so many twists and turns in this case.

And now, after 13 years, the solution? The murderer is a man from Germany, whom the investigators hadn't seen for a long time, even though he already had a criminal record and lived near the crime scene?

Shortly before Madeleine McCann disappeared, a prepaid cell phone with the Portuguese number 00351 912 730 680 was logged into the radio cell of the crime scene. It was, as was to turn out much later, the cell phone of Christian B. Who was he talking to for 30 minutes? An accomplice? Or someone who could give him an alibi? His lawyer does not want to comment on this. He says: "My client did not commit this crime."

From the window of the bedroom Fülscher goes around the corner to the place where several witnesses stood at that time. In a dead-end street lies the back of the apartment, whose terrace door is said to have been open. A friend of the McCanns testified to having seen a man carrying a child away from the resort. Fülscher says: "This man was later identified and has nothing to do with the disappearance. The case is full of "inconsistencies and contradictions

Würzburg, in the seventies. Christian B. was one year old when he and his brothers came to an adoptive family in Würzburg. He later told a social worker about his broken childhood: beatings and other punishments had been the preferred methods of upbringing, his brothers and he had been abused every day. At the age of 14, he moved into the living group of a children's home. He said he had fared better there.

After secondary school, Christian B. began training as a car mechanic. He broke it off because he wanted to leave Germany at all costs. At 18, he "emigrated" to Portugal, where he worked for a German newspaper, in hotels and car repair shops, said B.

In fact, Christian B. did not emigrate at the time, but fled. He received his first punishment, which was suspended on probation at the age of 16. It involved several thefts and driving without a driver's license.

Then he abused a girl, still a teenager. He followed her into a bush, held her by her upper arm, took his penis out of his pants, lifted the six-year-old's skirt and grabbed her between her legs. The girl cried, B. fled. A little later he abused nine-year-old girl.

B. received two years in prison for "sexually abusing a child, attempting to sexually abuse a child and performing sexual acts in front of a child. Shortly afterwards he traveled to Portugal, where investigators tracked him down after about five years. B. was extradited to Germany and went to prison. After his release at the end of 2000 he traveled back to the Algarve.

"He was a Hallodri, a jack-of-all-trades," Anja P. tells us in a Berlin café. After graduating from high school, she went to Portugal and stayed there for several years, "like Christian and so many others". Together with a friend, she met him at the opening ceremony of the Taberna de Lagos restaurant, and Christian B. waited there. "Everyone in the foreign community knew him. He was striking because he always wore these jackets and drove an old Jaguar. For me, he was a very nice and helpful guy at the time, who kept his head above water with odd jobs and never had any money.

Later, she also worked in the Taberna de Lagos and visited him several times in his house in Praia da Luz. "The house was near a golf course. At that time, Christian collected golf balls, which he later wanted to sell, and sold tickets for boat trips at the port of Lagos."

With his Jaguar, when she broke down on a country road, he towed away her old Fiat Punto, which is prohibited in Portugal. "He was not interested in that. He brought my car to his farm via hidden roads." Then he told her that the Fiat was beyond repair. "I ditched it and got myself another car. At some point I saw that he was driving around in the Punto himself, but that didn't bother me."

Does she think it possible that Christian B. is the murderer of Madeleine? "You always knew that Christian also did crooked things, but not that kind of thing," says Anja P. When the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY Ungelöst" reported on the suspicion in June, "it really shocked me.

The friend who was present at the opening ceremony of the restaurants put it similarly. "I would never have thought that, although everyone knew that they were sure to have one on the waffle," says the woman, who still lives in Portugal. "If someone walks around in a jacket, driving a Jaguar and showing off, but then works as a waiter, you know you'd rather stay away from him.

Praia da Luz, in the summer of 2003. Andrea B. and Yvonne B., two young women from Munich, met a nice "bon vivant" during their vacation - this is how they regarded the man who sold oranges and called his dog "Charlie", the "eternally panting Charlie".

Together they went to the casino. Chris, as they called him, loved to gamble and told about his plan to be a millionaire at the age of 40. After the trip home, they stayed in touch. Chris wrote e-mails which he signed with "Wölkchen".( little cloud)

Hello girls,

how time flies! Now it is already September! I booked a flight to good old Munich yesterday. For a measly 215 Euro! All criminals! Stop Stop, I'm flying to Stuttgart.

The first night I will stay in Augsburg. After that I would like to stretch my nose to the south and come to you. There is so much to tell again, two months are not enough,

Yours

WÖLKCHEN

"Wölkchen" was allowed to stay overnight with them in Munich. Yvonne B. will later tell the police that she never noticed anything about this man. Perhaps he had not quite correctly expressed himself from time to time about the bust of a woman, nothing else. She had never noticed Christian B. as particularly aggressive.

A German musician and IT-technician, who got to know him in 2005 after a gig in a music bar in Lagos, learned that B. also has an uncanny side. The SPIEGEL reached Christian P., 53, via Skype in the small town of Kampot in Cambodia.

"I met Christian from time to time, he fixed my car, I helped him with the TV," he says. Sometimes they would drink wine. "He was quite a messie. The house in Praia da Luz was totally untidy and unkempt."

During a visit, he noticed three stacks of foreign travel documents. "There were 30 to 50 passports lying around in plain sight." When asked about this, Christian B. told about thefts in Praia da Luz and the surrounding area. "He told us that he went on tour from time to time, and climbed up facades in the process.

This is consistent with the findings of the investigators. According to this, Christian B. financed his life in Portugal in the mid-2000s not with odd jobs, but with burglaries and thefts. In April 2006, he and an Austrian accomplice were caught red-handed at a gas station when they were siphoning diesel from a truck. A Portuguese court sentenced them to 258 days in prison.

"I visited him in prison at the time," Christian P. recalls. "He complained about the poor prison conditions and the lousy food. Because there was no alcohol in the prison, I was supposed to bring him oranges sprinkled with vodka, but I didn't want that. That made B. angry.

During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry".

After his release, B. lived in an old VW bus. Madeleine McCann disappeared a few months later, which nobody connected with him at the time.

Saxony-Anhalt, 2010. Christian B. had driven around a lot, in a large American motor home of the brand Winnebago. Now he bought himself a permanent accommodation again. In Saxony-Anhalt, in the community of Am Großen Bruch, he purchased the grounds of an old box factory for 20,000 euros.

B. had big plans at that time. He wanted to open a camping site there, he told a friend. In fact, he was dealing drugs, bought kilograms of marijuana from a dealer in Oranienburg and sold it on Sylt. The drug deals were discovered and he was investigated. Christian B. moved to the kiosk in Braunschweig.

In Internet chats dating from this time, he did not write as a "cloud", but rather as "maddeningly catchy". Also about his perversions, for example in the chat with "panikspatz66".

wahnsinnderholger: "finally wants to f..k a little one!

panikspatz66: "who doesn't want that"

wahnsinnderholger: "catch something small and then use it for days, that's it ..."

panicspatz66: "... is not without danger either."

wahnsinnderholger: "oh if the evidence is destroyed afterwards ..."

panic sparrow66: "mm"

madderholger: "if for example the deepthroat took too long ...😉".

In January 2016 the police searched the grounds of the former factory. Neighbors had complained about the smell of decay. It came from a dead dog that B. had buried there. Under the carcass, the officers discovered a cloth case with six USB sticks and memory cards full of pictures and films showing abused children.

By this time, the kiosk in Braunschweig had already been searched, and Christian B. was threatened with a prison sentence for the child pornography seized there. He fled again to the Algarve. In São Bartolomeu de Messines, Portuguese investigators arrested him in 2017. Several children had reported that a man had exposed his limb and made obscene movements. B. was extradited to Germany.

No investigator had ever connected him with Madeleine McCann and her disappearance. The lead came about because the notorious criminal B. had himself been the victim of a crime.

When he was imprisoned in Portugal for the thefts, two thieves had raided his house in Praia da Luz. They were also from Germany and were after B.'s loot. One of them, Helge Lars B., reported more than ten years later, in August 2017, from a Greek prison near Scotland Yard.

A few months later German investigators visited him in Greece. Helge Lars B. told them that he had never been friends with the "head waiter" he had met a few months before his arrest. When Christian B. was in prison, he and an accomplice drove to Praia da Luz. First they tapped 200 to 300 liters of diesel from the tank behind the house, then they searched the house. It was full of stolen goods, cameras, clothing, laptops. In the closet, he found swimming goggles, which strangely enough were painted gray on the inside. He had taken two video cameras and about 20 tapes with him, his accomplice a revolver.

On some of the videos, both thieves later agreed in court in Braunschweig, they saw Christian B. raping a woman between 70 and 80 years old. Another video showed a girl, about 14 years old, tied to a wooden post. The statements of the two men contradicted each other in parts; the films can no longer be found.

The investigators assumed that three rapes had been filmed and made inquiries in Portugal. In one case they made progress: a 72-year-old woman was abused in 2005 in Praia da Luz in her house near the beach. At the scene of the crime, the Portuguese police had seized a hair that can be attributed with a probability of 244 billion to one Christian B.

Helge Lars B. told even more: Later he saw Christian B. again, at the so-called Dragon Festival in Orgiva, Spain. There Christian B. admitted to having had something to do with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The detectives are always following up new leads, checking new cases all the time.
Was it really like that? Is this the solution to the criminal case that has made more headlines worldwide than almost any other? Circumstantial evidence speaks against Christian B., but guilt or innocence will only be decided by a court, if an indictment is ever made.

The detectives are still following new leads and examining new cases. Portuguese authorities have informed their colleagues about a ten-year-old girl from Germany who was abused on a beach near Praia da Luz four weeks before Madeleine disappeared. The now 23-year-old woman (Joana E) testified that she is now 99 percent sure that the man was B. A woman from Ireland (Hazel B) also came forward and accused B. of being the man who raped and assaulted her in the Algarve in 2004.

"My client does not want to comment on the ongoing investigations and denies that the 72-year-old woman was raped in Portugal," says attorney Fülscher.

Portugal, in September 2020, about half an hour drive from Praia da Luz to the man (Bernard P) who lent Christian B. the VW bus at the time. With long gray hair and a gray full beard, the screwdriver from Germany is leaning against a car with flat tires, his hands are oily, his pants are torn.

On the remote yard near Messines there are rusty VW Golf and Mercedes, as they were modern in the eighties. "I don't want to say anything to Christian," the mechanic immediately says, "he was just here from time to time. He could not understand all the excitement.

He and his son (Flavio P) drove around in the white-yellow VW bus for several years after B. returned it, the man says. About two years ago, officials from the Federal Criminal Police Office came by and picked up the bus. They believe that Madeleine McCann could have been kidnapped with it.

(Parts of the content may offend some.)    I'm sure it will.

The case is full of "inconsistencies and contradictions   It most certainly is.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 12:47:52 PM
Christian Bruckner is without doubt a serial rspist and a prolific paedophile amongst other things, I for one hope that he is never released from prison but if he does ever secure parole he must be restricted in his movements for ever. He must never be permitted to leave German soil, to again disappear to some backwater in Europe where he can continue his criminal activities.

This monster must be leashed for life.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 21, 2021, 12:52:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 12:47:52 PM
Christian Bruckner is without doubt a serial rspist and a prolific paedophile amongst other things, I for one hope that he is never released from prison but if he does ever secure parole he must be restricted in his movements for ever. He must never be permitted to leave German soil, to again disappear to some backwater in Europe where he can continue his criminal activities.

This monster must be leashed for life.
I think some of his supporters on here might take issue with the phrase "without doubt a serial rapist".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 21, 2021, 01:29:44 PM
It must have been lucrative transporting drugs from Oranienburg to Sylt, because it's a long journey and involves crossing the border into Denmark. Perhaps the customers on Sylt were happy to pay a bit more than normal if they were holidaying there. It has been described as Germany's premier vacation spot and it's very upmarket.
https://www.vogue.com/article/sylt-germany-travel-guide
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 21, 2021, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 12:47:52 PM
Christian Bruckner is without doubt a serial rspist and a prolific paedophile amongst other things, I for one hope that he is never released from prison but if he does ever secure parole he must be restricted in his movements for ever. He must never be permitted to leave German soil, to again disappear to some backwater in Europe where he can continue his criminal activities.

This monster must be leashed for life.

I think that’s how all right minded people feel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 21, 2021, 01:38:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 21, 2021, 01:32:51 PM
I think that’s how all right minded people feel.
THe only way he is going to be banged up for life is if he's found guilty of serious crimes such as the murder of children, yet you don't believe he is a murderer and therefore being the lefty liberal you are you would have to concede that once he has served his 7 year sentence for rape he should be free to continue to live his life, which would include freedom of movement within the EU. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 21, 2021, 01:38:13 PM
THe only way he is going to be banged up for life is if he's found guilty of serious crimes such as the murder of children, yet you don't believe he is a murderer and therefore being the lefty liberal you are you would have to concede that once he has served his 7 year sentence for rape he should be free to continue to live his life, which would include freedom of movement within the EU.

I don't believe he is a killer either, his mo just doesn't fit.

Please don't call members names VS.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2021, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
I don't believe he is a killer either, his mo just doesn't fit.

Please don't call members names VS.

I think Wolters has evidence proving otherwise
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 21, 2021, 01:55:12 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
I don't believe he is a killer either, his mo just doesn't fit.

Please don't call member names VS.
What names did I call anyone?  Faithlilly referred to herself as a "Pinko" the other day, I could have used that term, but I thought it was a bit rude.  I am a left liberal too btw, as you well know. 

If you don't believe he's a killer why would you want him "leashed for life"?  Is there a precedent for a rapist receiving life imprisonment with no chance of parole or would you like him to be the first?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 21, 2021, 02:08:39 PM
I expect the German authorities would prefer to see their troublesome citizen stopped from continuing with his nefarious activities. The only way they can do that is by using legal means, of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 21, 2021, 01:55:00 PM
I think Wolters has evidence proving otherwise

In my opinion he is barking up the wrong tree or just barking.  &^^&*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 21, 2021, 01:55:12 PM
What names did I call anyone?  Faithlilly referred to herself as a "Pinko" the other day, I could have used that term, but I thought it was a bit rude.  I am a left liberal too btw, as you well know. 

If you don't believe he's a killer why would you want him "leashed for life"?  Is there a precedent for a rapist receiving life imprisonment with no chance of parole or would you like him to be the first?

Calling someone a 'lefty liberal' can be seen as offensive.

He can be put on a leash outside jail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2021, 04:15:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 04:02:15 PM
In my opinion he is barking up the wrong tree or just barking.  &^^&*

In your opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 21, 2021, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 04:03:43 PM
Calling someone a 'lefty liberal' can be seen as offensive.

He can be put on a leash outside jail.

Not to me. I wear it as a badge of honour.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 21, 2021, 05:03:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 04:03:43 PM
Calling someone a 'lefty liberal' can be seen as offensive.

He can be put on a leash outside jail.
Not to Faithlilly - she wears it as a badge of honour.

How would you propose leashing Bruckner out of jail?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 21, 2021, 05:04:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 04:02:15 PM
In my opinion he is barking up the wrong tree or just barking.  &^^&*
Slur.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 21, 2021, 05:44:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 04:03:43 PM


He can be put on a leash outside jail.

Why should he be, if he serves his dues to society by being imprisoned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on February 21, 2021, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 21, 2021, 05:44:36 PM
Why should he be, if he serves his dues to society by being imprisoned.

He will be released on parole eventually on strict conditions which will inevitably include reporting to his probation officer or police regularly. I don't think CB is going too far anytime soon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 21, 2021, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: John on February 21, 2021, 05:54:39 PM
He will be released on parole eventually on strict conditions which will inevitably include reporting to his probation officer or police regularly. I don't think CB is going too far anytime soon.

In the U.K. paedophiles on licence simply change their name by deed poll to avoid scrutiny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 21, 2021, 06:08:40 PM
Quote from: John on February 21, 2021, 05:54:39 PM
He will be released on parole eventually on strict conditions which will inevitably include reporting to his probation officer or police regularly. I don't think CB is going too far anytime soon.
What’s to stop him leaving Germany as soon as he is released? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 21, 2021, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: John on February 21, 2021, 05:54:39 PM
He will be released on parole eventually on strict conditions which will inevitably include reporting to his probation officer or police regularly. I don't think CB is going too far anytime soon.


Oh I agree, but out on licence doesn't last for ever. At some time unless he reoffends he'll be free to come and go.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 21, 2021, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 17, 2021, 06:47:35 PM
Did CB have a history of pedophilia in Portugal?  I know he had been convicted for the fuel thefts.

According to Amaral they did.

Snip
Published: 00:15 BST, 22 June 2020
Pressed on what Portuguese police knew about Brueckner’s past around the time Madeleine disappeared, he appeared to admit Algarve authorities were aware of his 1994 teenage sexual conviction for molesting a six-year-old girl by confessing: ‘At the time all we knew was that this man was a paedophile.’
https://healthyfrog.readsector.com/2020/06/21/maddie-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-brueckner-is-a-scapegoat-says-portuguese-detective/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 21, 2021, 06:18:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 21, 2021, 06:09:28 PM

Oh I agree, but out on licence doesn't last for ever. At some time unless he reoffends he'll be free to come and go.

Being on licence wouldn't stop him offending anyway if that was his intent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 21, 2021, 06:19:07 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 17, 2021, 06:55:55 PM
A lot of the early convictions in Germany were in a Juvenile Court.  In NZ at least sometimes that is kept most secret. To give a person another chance to reform.  So I'd imagine it wasn't shared.

I believe he shared the information himself to a Portuguese court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 21, 2021, 07:30:12 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 21, 2021, 04:03:43 PM
Calling someone a 'lefty liberal' can be seen as offensive.

He can be put on a leash outside jail.

I don't think that could be done legally.

Once he has paid for his heinous crimes by serving the time given him by the courts he will be a free man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 21, 2021, 08:06:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 21, 2021, 06:16:50 PM
According to Amaral they did.

Snip
Published: 00:15 BST, 22 June 2020
Pressed on what Portuguese police knew about Brueckner’s past around the time Madeleine disappeared, he appeared to admit Algarve authorities were aware of his 1994 teenage sexual conviction for molesting a six-year-old girl by confessing: ‘At the time all we knew was that this man was a paedophile.’
https://healthyfrog.readsector.com/2020/06/21/maddie-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-brueckner-is-a-scapegoat-says-portuguese-detective/
Not very convincing.  It may have just been the rumour.   ‘At the time all we knew was that this man was a paedophile.’  Is that just the rumour.   Had he seen actual court records?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 21, 2021, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 21, 2021, 06:19:07 PM
I believe he shared the information himself to a Portuguese court.
Do you mean CB shared this information himself?  To me that seems unlikely. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 21, 2021, 08:18:52 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 21, 2021, 08:08:08 PM
Do you mean CB shared this information himself?  To me that seems unlikely.

He appeared in Court and was probably asked if he had any Convictions.  He told The Portuguese Court that he did have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 21, 2021, 08:22:31 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 21, 2021, 08:08:08 PM
Do you mean CB shared this information himself?

Indeed he did.

CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER TOLD AUTHORITIES HE WAS A PREDATOR A YEAR BEFORE MADELEINE MCCANN DISAPPEARED
https://distincttoday.net/2020/06/19/christian-brueckner-told-authorities-he-was-a-predator-a-year-before-madeleine-mccann-disappeared/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 21, 2021, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 21, 2021, 08:22:31 PM
Indeed he did.

CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER TOLD AUTHORITIES HE WAS A PREDATOR A YEAR BEFORE MADELEINE MCCANN DISAPPEARED
https://distincttoday.net/2020/06/19/christian-brueckner-told-authorities-he-was-a-predator-a-year-before-madeleine-mccann-disappeared/

Ah Nick Fagge of who Robert Jay QC at Leveson said:

‘The reporter was accused by the counsel for the inquiry, Robert Jay QC, of using "journalistic licence" to make an inference of innocence or guilt.’
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2021, 12:25:04 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 21, 2021, 11:49:17 PM
Ah Nick Fagge of who Robert Jay QC at Leveson said:

‘The reporter was accused by the counsel for the inquiry, Robert Jay QC, of using "journalistic licence" to make an inference of innocence or guilt.’

Leveson himself used words such as "fluff", "complete piffle" and "tittle-tattle" to describe stories written by Fagge, Pilditch and Flanagan.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FYO4YCE-mbwJ:https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/dec/21/daily-express-obsessed-madeleine-mccann+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 22, 2021, 12:34:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 22, 2021, 12:25:04 AM
Leveson himself used words such as "fluff", "complete piffle" and "tittle-tattle" to describe stories written by Fagge, Pilditch and Flanagan.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FYO4YCE-mbwJ:https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/dec/21/daily-express-obsessed-madeleine-mccann+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

It appears that Fagge doesn’t care who’s guilty as long as he gets paid to suggest someone is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 22, 2021, 01:15:36 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 21, 2021, 08:18:52 PM
He appeared in Court and was probably asked if he had any Convictions.  He told The Portuguese Court that he did have.
Well that would be a first.  Most people in that predicament IMO would say "not as far as I can recall".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on February 22, 2021, 01:19:59 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 21, 2021, 06:16:50 PM
According to Amaral they did.

Snip
Published: 00:15 BST, 22 June 2020
Pressed on what Portuguese police knew about Brueckner’s past around the time Madeleine disappeared, he appeared to admit Algarve authorities were aware of his 1994 teenage sexual conviction for molesting a six-year-old girl by confessing: ‘At the time all we knew was that this man was a paedophile.’
https://healthyfrog.readsector.com/2020/06/21/maddie-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-brueckner-is-a-scapegoat-says-portuguese-detective/

I've just finished watching episode 2 of the Discovery+ documentary and Goncalo Amaral has back-tracked on the claim Portuguese police knew Brueckner was a paedophile. He said they must have knocked on Brueckner's door because of his criminal record for robbery, which is odd given that he'd never given the courts any addresses in Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 22, 2021, 01:23:05 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 21, 2021, 08:22:31 PM
Indeed he did.

CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER TOLD AUTHORITIES HE WAS A PREDATOR A YEAR BEFORE MADELEINE MCCANN DISAPPEARED
https://distincttoday.net/2020/06/19/christian-brueckner-told-authorities-he-was-a-predator-a-year-before-madeleine-mccann-disappeared/
So this judge gets told this during an interview and somehow it's the PJ's fault for not doing something about it.  To me the problem starts with the judge, he should have done something about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2021, 02:10:49 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 22, 2021, 12:25:04 AM
Leveson himself used words such as "fluff", "complete piffle" and "tittle-tattle" to describe stories written by Fagge, Pilditch and Flanagan.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FYO4YCE-mbwJ:https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/dec/21/daily-express-obsessed-madeleine-mccann+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

It is so tedious to be in denial to the extent that it is deemed necessary to use smoke and mirrors to deflect from the truth about a man known to abuse children and to rape women.
I can only account for it by thinking it is an affliction which I shall name as "The Truth of the Lie Syndrome".

Portuguese knew German suspect was a paedophile when Madeleine McCann vanished
By Arthur Martin Time of article published Jun 20, 2020
Police on the Algarve have defended the five-year gap between Madeleine going missing in 2007 and the new suspect coming into the frame by claiming that they knew nothing of his past at the time.

But court papers released on Friday show Brueckner admitted his sordid past, telling a Portuguese judge in 2006 that he was a convicted paedophile.
_____________________________________________________________
Brueckner, described by German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters as ‘a multiple sexual predator already convicted of crimes against little girls’, was first convicted of child sex crimes in 1994. He has 17 convictions, including child pornography, theft and drug dealing.
_____________________________________________________________

Last night, Graham Hill, a former senior British detective who was sent to Praia da Luz days after Madeleine vanished, said: ‘The question for the Portuguese is: what system did you have, if any? Because I’m not sure they had a system back in 2006 and 2007 which allowed them to easily record information about sex offenders and then search for them.

‘If they didn’t have it, they are now getting caught out because they knew about this man in 2006 and knew he had convictions for sex offences back in Germany.’
https://www.iol.co.za/news/world/portuguese-knew-german-suspect-was-a-paedophile-when-madeleine-mccann-vanished-49651938


Christian Brueckner TOLD authorities he was a predator a YEAR before Madeleine McCann disappeared

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner admitted to Portuguese authorities that he was a sexual predator a year before she disappeared but detectives searching for the youngster never considered him a potential kidnapper.

Brueckner told an investigating judge that he had a criminal record in Germany and that he had committed sex offences when he interrogated for stealing diesel from commercial trucks in the Algarve in 2006.

However the German’s confession that he was sex offender was not recorded by police and his name was never added to a list of known sex offenders living in the Algarve.
_____________________________________________________________

Details of his confession that he was a sexual predator have emerged in documents of his interview by criminal investigating Judge Antonieta Nascimento in the Portimao court house on 8th April 2006.

His name should have been added to a list held by the Portugal’s investigative Policia Judiciaria [PJ] who were tasked with finding Madeleine McCann just a year later.
_____________________________________________________________

The revelation, made today in the Portuguese media, adds to the growing evidence of the incompetence of the initial police investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in May 2007.

https://twnews.co.uk/uk-news/christian-brueckner-told-authorities-he-was-a-predator-a-year-before-madeleine-mccann-disappeared


Brückner admitted "sexual offences" before Maddie's disappearance

Suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann confessed to the judge that he had committed sex crimes in Germany. The interrogation took place in 2006, a year before the disappearance of the British child. when Brückner was arrested in Portugal for fuel theft

At the time the question was asked of everyone who was present to a judge: "What are your criminal records? You have to answer with truth." Christian Brückner had been arrested with an accomplice for fuel theft and admitted to Judge Antoinette Nascimento that he had already been convicted in Germany of "thefts" and "sexual offences".
https://expresso.pt/sociedade/2020-06-19-Bruckner-admitiu-delitos-sexuais-antes-do-desaparecimento-de-Maddie
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2021, 02:16:55 AM
Quote from: misty on February 22, 2021, 01:19:59 AM
I've just finished watching episode 2 of the Discovery+ documentary and Goncalo Amaral has back-tracked on the claim Portuguese police knew Brueckner was a paedophile. He said they must have knocked on Brueckner's door because of his criminal record for robbery, which is odd given that he'd never given the courts any addresses in Luz.

It is my guess that we will see more back-tracking from Amaral before this is over and done with.  I think his credibility is under severe strain as is his much vaunted 'honour'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 22, 2021, 02:38:41 AM
Quote from: misty on February 22, 2021, 01:19:59 AM
I've just finished watching episode 2 of the Discovery+ documentary and Goncalo Amaral has back-tracked on the claim Portuguese police knew Brueckner was a paedophile. He said they must have knocked on Brueckner's door because of his criminal record for robbery, which is odd given that he'd never given the courts any addresses in Luz.
You would think through their own intelligence system and informants they could have known CB's address even if CB had never told them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2021, 03:11:54 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 22, 2021, 02:38:41 AM
You would think through their own intelligence system and informants they could have known CB's address even if CB had never told them.

Amaral was the co-ordinator of the investigation until he was sacked from it.  Even in the light of the present circumstances his focus does not reach beyond his prejudices.  For example he seems to be in denial about any information which diverts attention away from that very limited point of view ~

On the matter of the cell phones and the association of the cell phone numbers during the investigation at the time of the disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral has doubts about the origin of those numbers recently associated with the German suspect Christian Brueckner: "Is anyone sure that this phone belongs to this man?” he questioned, underlining that "small details like this, is what makes the evidence".

The former PJ believes that if the German police knew that the phone number belonged to Brueckner, "they wouldn't need to seek for more information."

in Correio da Manhã, June 27, 2020 at 20:28
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 22, 2021, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 22, 2021, 02:16:55 AM
It is my guess that we will see more back-tracking from Amaral before this is over and done with.  I think his credibility is under severe strain as is his much vaunted 'honour'.

Did Rebelo discover Brueckner’s past offending as he had access to the same information as Amaral and a longer time to find it? Or OG who were given Brueckner name early in the investigation. We are told that they weren’t interested.

It is interesting that Rebelo didn’t request any diligences that didn’t involve the parents and their friends.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: misty on February 22, 2021, 01:19:59 AM
I've just finished watching episode 2 of the Discovery+ documentary and Goncalo Amaral has back-tracked on the claim Portuguese police knew Brueckner was a paedophile. He said they must have knocked on Brueckner's door because of his criminal record for robbery, which is odd given that he'd never given the courts any addresses in Luz.
Did he explain why simply knocking on a criminal's door and getting no reply was enough to rule them out of the investigation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2021, 10:43:41 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 10:06:20 AM
Did he explain why simply knocking on a criminal's door and getting no reply was enough to rule them out of the investigation?

The interventions which he has made recently ~ all of which I think were deliberately made to undermine the German investigation ~ have in one way or another been proved false. 

In the instance of the falsified illustration displayed by Amaral on television of Brueckner complete with rasta type hairstyle, quite spectacularly so.

Without the footage showing Brueckner as he actually was in the weeks prior to Madeleine's disappearance the lie of the hippie hairstyle would still be in existence and anyone who might have had valid information could have been sidetracked as a result.
Was that Amaral's intention?  Who knows.

This man has been discredited so often it is becoming embarrassing to all but him and his followers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2021, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 22, 2021, 10:43:41 AM
The interventions which he has made recently ~ all of which I think were deliberately made to undermine the German investigation ~ have in one way or another been proved false. 

In the instance of the falsified illustration displayed by Amaral on television of Brueckner complete with rasta type hairstyle, quite spectacularly so.

Without the footage showing Brueckner as he actually was in the weeks prior to Madeleine's disappearance the lie of the hippie hairstyle would still be in existence and anyone who might have had valid information could have been sidetracked as a result.
Was that Amaral's intention?  Who knows.

This man has been discredited so often it is becoming embarrassing to all but him and his followers.

Do you think Amaral might have lost the plot?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 22, 2021, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 22, 2021, 10:51:48 AM
Do you think Amaral might have lost the plot?

Who really cares.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2021, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 22, 2021, 10:53:35 AM
Who really cares.

No, I don't suppose I do either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2021, 11:17:31 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 22, 2021, 01:23:05 AM
So this judge gets told this during an interview and somehow it's the PJ's fault for not doing something about it.  To me the problem starts with the judge, he should have done something about it.

It's typical to blame the PJ, even when they're being blamed for something they may not have known about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 22, 2021, 11:17:31 AM
It's typical to blame the PJ, even when they're being blamed for something they may not have known about.
But of course no one is blaming the Met or the BKA for not focusing their attentions on the McCanns, no sirree!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2021, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 22, 2021, 10:51:48 AM
Do you think Amaral might have lost the plot?

I think he has just been viewed by a wider audience and has been subject to closer scrutiny.  I don't think he has lost the plot any more than he did at any other time in what was a rather turbulent career and messy life when one considers the personal issues with him at the centre which ended up in the Portuguese courts and the stupidity which cost him his job.

I think his recent exposure on podcast and television the debunking of which we have witnessed first hand is nothing more or less than a reflection of his media antics since 2008

If these were debunked we very rarely were ever allowed a glance in the face of the huge cottage industry which arose around him with his followers? or perhaps mentors controlling what translations we were allowed to view.

It is really quite staggering when considering the hundreds if not thousands of internet sources devoted to eulogising this guy and deriding Madeleine's parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
I’ve just finished watching Part 2 of the Discovery documentary on CB and here is an interesting fact that occurred to me while watching it:
CB (a man who has abused young girls and who has discussed online abducting, raping and disposing of them so they will never be found) was within 40 miles of the disappearance of three young girls on the days they went missing:
Joana Cipriano
Madeleine McCann
Inga Gehricke.

What are the statistical odds of that I wonder?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 06:07:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
I’ve just finished watching Part 2 of the Discovery documentary on CB and here is an interesting fact that occurred to me while watching it:
CB (a man who has abused young girls and who has discussed online abducting, raping and disposing of them so they will never be found) was within 40 miles of the disappearance of three young girls on the days they went missing:
Joana Cipriano
Madeleine McCann
Inga Gehricke.

What are the statistical odds of that I wonder?

I'm not sure, I guess we might have to look at how many other people are criminals & have ever talked about traceless disposal of children's bodies & their proximity to each missing childs location.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2021, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
I’ve just finished watching Part 2 of the Discovery documentary on CB and here is an interesting fact that occurred to me while watching it:
CB (a man who has abused young girls and who has discussed online abducting, raping and disposing of them so they will never be found) was within 40 miles of the disappearance of three young girls on the days they went missing:
Joana Cipriano
Madeleine McCann
Inga Gehricke.

What are the statistical odds of that I wonder?

I think the geographical proximity of Figueira and Luz has always made the possibility of a link between Joanna and Madeleine well worth thinking about. 

Consideration of a possible link between Brueckner and Inge in conjunction with a possible link between Brueckner and Madeleine is a chilling thought when the three disappearances are linked to possible contact with Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 06:21:50 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 06:07:26 PM
I'm not sure, I guess we might have to look at how many other people are criminals & have ever talked about traceless disposal of children's bodies & their proximity to each missing childs location.


If you don’t live within 40 miles of three children that have vanished off the face of the earth in the last 15 years then you’re of little or no relevance to the question I posed, but once again thanks for your input.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 22, 2021, 06:12:32 PM
I think the geographical proximity of Figueira and Luz has always made the possibility of a link between Joanna and Madeleine well worth thinking about. 

Consideration of a possible link between Brueckner and Inge in conjunction with a possible link between Brueckner and Madeleine is a chilling thought when the three disappearances are linked to possible contact with Brueckner.

Joana Cipriano was murdered by her mother & uncle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 06:21:50 PM
If you don’t live within 40 miles of three children that have vanished off the face of the earth in the last 15 years then you’re of little or no relevance to the question I posed, but once again thanks for your input.

I could easily have travelled to & from any of those locations.

I don't have to live close to someone to have murdered them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 06:23:56 PM
I could easily have travelled to & from any of those locations.

I don't have to live close to someone to have murdered them.

Bruckner didn’t live close to Inga but he was within 40 miles of her when she disappeared.  Listen, if you think that the proximity  a child abuser who talks about abduction, raping and murdering online with three missing girls on the days they go missing  is completely irrelevant and statistically quite common then that’s fine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 22, 2021, 06:49:30 PM
Caveat its the sun, but hey ho.

MADDIE 'NO CHARGE' Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B may NEVER be charged as cops have no ‘concrete evidence’, says lawyer

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14121256/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-never-charged-no-evidence/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarweb
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 06:50:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 22, 2021, 06:49:30 PM
Caveat its the sun, but hey ho.

MADDIE 'NO CHARGE' Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B may NEVER be charged as cops have no ‘concrete evidence’, says lawyer

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14121256/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-never-charged-no-evidence/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarweb
The caveat is that it’s his lawyer saying so, it’s just a repeat of what he’s said before IMO. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 06:51:18 PM
I defend the right to the presumption of innocence & I think that's rather commendable & absolutely the right thing to be doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 07:01:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 06:58:01 PM
People without convictions already have enough support.
not on here they don’t. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 22, 2021, 06:56:45 PM
They've got you just where they want.
Where’s that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 07:07:00 PM
This is interesting...

"The United Nations considers solitary confinement exceeding 15 days to be torture."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitary_confinement

CB has been in solitary for how long now?

They are literally torturing him for a crime he hasn't even been charged with & I don't see a single Cipriano supporter condemning this.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 07:08:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
I’ve just finished watching Part 2 of the Discovery documentary on CB and here is an interesting fact that occurred to me while watching it:
CB (a man who has abused young girls and who has discussed online abducting, raping and disposing of them so they will never be found) was within 40 miles of the disappearance of three young girls on the days they went missing:
Joana Cipriano
Madeleine McCann
Inga Gehricke.

What are the statistical odds of that I wonder?
Of course, if you add Rene Haase, it’s 4 cases, so what does that do to the odds?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 07:11:32 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 07:07:00 PM
This is interesting...

"The United Nations considers solitary confinement exceeding 15 days to be torture."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitary_confinement

CB has been in solitary for how long now?

They are literally torturing him for a crime he hasn't even been charged with & I don't see a single Cipriano supporter condemning this.
They do this at Guantanamo too, I trust you are similarly appalled on behalf of all those potential terrorists who  have been holed up in such conditions for years?  And then there’s that Maxwell woman who is being treated abominably in a NY prison.  Ah well, shit happens.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 07:13:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 07:11:32 PM
They do this at Guantanamo too, I trust you are similarly appalled on behalf of all those potential terrorists who  have been holed up in such conditions for years?

Well, they're Muslim so obviously not.

Now, if Brueckner were to convert to Islam ......that would present me with a moral dilemma.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on February 22, 2021, 07:13:50 PM
I'm going to apply sanctions if this disruptive vein continues.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 07:14:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 22, 2021, 07:13:50 PM
I'm going to apply sanctions if this disruptive vein continues.
You already did.  8(8-))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 07:16:08 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 07:13:24 PM
Well, they're Muslim so obviously not.

Now, if Brueckner were to convert to Islam ......that would present me with a moral dilemma.
He has.  His new name is Mohammed al-Bakri-Fatwa, did you not see it in Das Bild last week?  Tsk.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 22, 2021, 07:18:01 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2021, 07:13:24 PM
Well, they're Muslim so obviously not.

Now, if Brueckner were to convert to Islam ......that would present me with a moral dilemma.

You guys !!!! It’s like watching an ancient repeat of the Odd Couple. Bless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 07:18:39 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 22, 2021, 07:18:01 PM
You guys !!!! It’s like watching an ancient repeat of the Odd Couple. Bless.
Angelo, this is not constructive. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 22, 2021, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 07:18:39 PM
Angelo, this is not constructive.
But is it true?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 22, 2021, 10:13:09 PM
But is it true?
No it’s an ad hominem attack on two forum members that has been allowed to remain on the forum for reasons best known to Angelo and John.  Meanwhile I get a warning for “being snide” to the resident WUM.  Life is SOOOOOOOO unfair sometimes.  8)><(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2021, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
No it’s an ad hominem attack on two forum members that has been allowed to remain on the forum for reasons best known to Angelo and John.  Meanwhile I get a warning for “being snide” to the resident WUM.  Life is SOOOOOOOO unfair sometimes.  8)><(

There are threads where complaints can be aired, and this isn't one of them. Please post on topic.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 11:05:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 22, 2021, 10:48:06 PM
There are threads where complaints can be aired, and this isn't one of them. Please post on topic.
I did earlier this evening and was mercilessly trolled.  I shall re-post my observation though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2021, 11:06:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
I’ve just finished watching Part 2 of the Discovery documentary on CB and here is an interesting fact that occurred to me while watching it:
CB (a man who has abused young girls and who has discussed online abducting, raping and disposing of them so they will never be found) was within 40 miles of the disappearance of three young girls on the days they went missing:
Joana Cipriano
Madeleine McCann
Inga Gehricke.

What are the statistical odds of that I wonder?
4 children if you include Rene Haase.  A bit of a coincidence that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 23, 2021, 06:11:15 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
I’ve just finished watching Part 2 of the Discovery documentary on CB and here is an interesting fact that occurred to me while watching it:
CB (a man who has abused young girls and who has discussed online abducting, raping and disposing of them so they will never be found) was within 40 miles of the disappearance of three young girls on the days they went missing:
Joana Cipriano
Madeleine McCann
Inga Gehricke.

What are the statistical odds of that I wonder?
Concrete evidence that you can put him within 40 miles of Madeleine on the night of 3/05/2007 ,not hearsay, please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 07:12:55 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 23, 2021, 06:11:15 AM
Concrete evidence that you can put him within 40 miles of Madeleine on the night of 3/05/2007 ,not hearsay, please.
He lived in PdL and his phone was used there that night and no accounts or claims that he was anywhere else that night.  I do not find it remotely credible that he would have left town without his phone or even that he would have lent his phone to a friend.  Who does that?  Have you ever lent your phone to a friend when you left town?  Makes no sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 08:05:10 AM
Then there is the issue of the phone call itself.  If you were borrowing a friend’s phone it might be so that you could make a call yourself but who would know you had the phone to call you for a 30 minute chat?  If I borrowed a friend’s phone and it rang I would let the call go to voicemail as it obviously wouldn’t be for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 08:37:31 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 23, 2021, 07:12:55 AM
He lived in PdL and his phone was used there that night and no accounts or claims that he was anywhere else that night.  I do not find it remotely credible that he would have left town without his phone or even that he would have lent his phone to a friend.  Who does that?  Have you ever lent your phone to a friend when you left town?  Makes no sense.

I thought he lost his rented house when he went to jail?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 08:37:31 AM
I thought he lost his rented house when he went to jail?
Where did I mention "rented house"?  Do you have a cite for your claim?  My understanding is that he didn't tell anyone about his rented house and while he was in prison it was burgled by his associates.  Your question does not address any of the points in my post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 11:01:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 23, 2021, 09:23:16 AM
Where did I mention "rented house"?  Do you have a cite for your claim?  My understanding is that he didn't tell anyone about his rented house and while he was in prison it was burgled by his associates.  Your question does not address any of the points in my post.

You said he lived in PdL on 3rd May, but I don't think he did;

Brueckner left the isolated property before Madeleine vanished, but he knew the area well.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccanns-resort-nanny-quizzed-22147795

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 11:10:50 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 11:01:20 AM
You said he lived in PdL on 3rd May, but I don't think he did;

Brueckner left the isolated property before Madeleine vanished, but he knew the area well.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccanns-resort-nanny-quizzed-22147795
Where do you think he lived then?  Whose door did the PJ go knocking on when they said they paid his address a visit, and where was that door?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 23, 2021, 11:10:50 AM
Where do you think he lived then?  Whose door did the PJ go knocking on when they said they paid his address a visit, and where was that door?

I don't know, but it can't be said that he lived in PdL without evidence that he did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 12:38:45 PM
I don't know, but it can't be said that he lived in PdL without evidence that he did.
There is evidence that he did. The fact that it was where he lived before prison.  The fact that the police investigating the crime in PdL claim to have paid his home a visit.  The fact that his phone was used in the area on the night Madeleine went missing.  The fact that he is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from PdL. Feel free to supply evidence that he was living more than 40 miles away from PdL at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 23, 2021, 03:31:44 PM
To put it in to perspective if  Brueckner was within 40 miles of the children named when they went missing that’s about the same difference as between Glasgow and Edinburgh..so quite a long way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 23, 2021, 03:31:44 PM
To put it in to perspective if  Brueckner was within 40 miles of the children named when they went missing that’s about the same difference as between Glasgow and Edinburgh..so quite a long way.
It's less than an hour by car.  It's also highly coincidental, particularly in an area of relatively low population density as the Algarve (compared to Glasgow and Edinburgh for example).  But hey ho, if you feel more comfortable ignoring the red flags surrounding Bruckner then that's up to you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 23, 2021, 01:28:24 PM
There is evidence that he did. The fact that it was where he lived before prison.  The fact that the police investigating the crime in PdL claim to have paid his home a visit.  The fact that his phone was used in the area on the night Madeleine went missing.  The fact that he is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from PdL. Feel free to supply evidence that he was living more than 40 miles away from PdL at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

There is evidence that he rented a house until he went to prison, but he didn't return to it after his release.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20200605/281500753476954
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2021, 06:13:50 PM

It is so often what you don't say that matters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
There is evidence that he rented a house until he went to prison, but he didn't return to it after his release.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20200605/281500753476954
According to the article you linked to he lived a 25 minute walk from the OC at the time of the abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 23, 2021, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 23, 2021, 03:31:44 PM
To put it in to perspective if  Brueckner was within 40 miles of the children named when they went missing that’s about the same difference as between Glasgow and Edinburgh..so quite a long way.

Of course he wasn't the only one, Grange went after others in 2014 who lived nearby, how many more ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 23, 2021, 06:29:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 23, 2021, 06:20:42 PM
Of course he wasn't the only one, Grange went after others in 2014 who lived nearby, how many more ?

I will never forget Bilton’s aggressive attitude to one of the arguidos who obviously had learning difficulties.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 23, 2021, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 23, 2021, 06:29:32 PM
I will never forget Bilton’s aggressive attitude to one of the arguidos who obviously had learning difficulties.


It freezes on the tube, unable to replay it.But I remember it well.

https://youtu.be/wIR-Ku890ss
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 06:44:04 PM
We know Brückner changed the ownership details of his car on 4th May 2007.  Where was he when he did that and how did he do it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 23, 2021, 06:29:32 PM
I will never forget Bilton’s aggressive attitude to one of the arguidos who obviously had learning difficulties.
I thought he had schizophrenia, not learning difficulties.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2021, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 23, 2021, 06:43:10 PM

It freezes on the tube, unable to replay it.But I remember it well.

https://youtu.be/wIR-Ku890ss

Oh God, not HideHo again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 23, 2021, 06:57:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 23, 2021, 06:47:34 PM
I thought he had schizophrenia, not learning difficulties.


Matters not, he had nowt to do with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 23, 2021, 07:02:02 PM

46 minutes in.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6lrye9
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 23, 2021, 07:03:11 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 23, 2021, 06:29:32 PM
I will never forget Bilton’s aggressive attitude to one of the arguidos who obviously had learning difficulties.

Quote from: barrier on February 23, 2021, 07:02:02 PM
46 minutes in.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6lrye9
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 23, 2021, 06:57:36 PM

Matters not, he had nowt to do with it.
He hasn’t been cleared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 23, 2021, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 23, 2021, 07:05:44 PM
He hasn’t been cleared.


Read what Rowley had to say.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 23, 2021, 07:12:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 23, 2021, 07:05:44 PM
He hasn’t been cleared.

If its a legend that is writ you wish to perpetuate , go for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 07:25:24 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 23, 2021, 07:10:41 PM

Read what Rowley had to say.
I don’t care what he said.  If the McCanns haven’t been cleared no one has, not even you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 07:51:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 23, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
According to the article you linked to he lived a 25 minute walk from the OC at the time of the abduction.

You mean the property he didn't return to after being released from prison? The one he didn't live in at the time of the abduction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 08:59:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 07:51:03 PM
You mean the property he didn't return to after being released from prison? The one he didn't live in at the time of the abduction?
The cite you provided said otherwise, that’s all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 09:12:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 23, 2021, 08:59:24 PM
The cite you provided said otherwise, that’s all.

Did I give you the wrong cite?

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20200605/281500753476954
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 09:32:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 09:12:00 PM
Did I give you the wrong cite?

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20200605/281500753476954
Not once but twice in that article it says that that farmhouse was being rented by Bruckner at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 23, 2021, 09:32:29 PM
Not once but twice in that article it says that that farmhouse was being rented by Bruckner at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.

It says he lived there from 1999 to 2006.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2021, 11:36:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 23, 2021, 11:27:02 PM
It says he lived there from 1999 to 2006.
it also says he lived there at the time of the abduction, can you actually not see that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 24, 2021, 06:23:13 PM
One he didn't do.Just go's to show being nearby doesn't mean diddly squat.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9295981/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-ruled-probe-missing-German-Maddie.html



Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner is ruled out of probe into missing 'German Maddie' who vanished aged five during family picnic in 2015
Inga Gehricke - dubbed Germany 's Madeleine McCann - vanished in 2015
Despite five years of police appeals and a reward, she has still yet to be found
Brueckner - prime suspect in the McCann case - was said to be working nearby
But prosecutors have now dropped the Gehricke investigation in relation to him 




Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 24, 2021, 06:26:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 22, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
I’ve just finished watching Part 2 of the Discovery documentary on CB and here is an interesting fact that occurred to me while watching it:
CB (a man who has abused young girls and who has discussed online abducting, raping and disposing of them so they will never be found) was within 40 miles of the disappearance of three young girls on the days they went missing:
Joana Cipriano
Madeleine McCann
Inga Gehricke.

What are the statistical odds of that I wonder?


You might want to edit that list to take Inga out, he might have been nearby but he had nowt to do with it, just another slur.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 24, 2021, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 24, 2021, 06:26:00 PM

You might want to edit that list to take Inga out, he might have been nearby but he had nowt to do with it, just another slur.
Nothing clears him from involvement as far as I can see so all the while it’s ok to slur the McCanns on this forum, I see no reason why I shouldn’t continue to mention that CB was within 40 miles of her the evening before she disappeared.  It’s not a slur anyway, it’s a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 24, 2021, 07:02:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 06:59:43 PM
Nothing clears him from involvement as far as I can see so all the while it’s ok to slur the McCanns on this forum, I see no reason why I shouldn’t continue to mention that CB was within 40 miles of her the evening before she disappeared.  It’s not a slur anyway, it’s a fact.

The BKA say there's no evidence he was involved in the German girls disappearance, so what involvement do you take from that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 24, 2021, 07:05:13 PM
Typical carp reporting, how the feck is it a blow to the McCanns.

But in a blow to the Madeleine's parents and investigators, Germany prosecutors have said that 44-year-old had nothing to do with Gehricke's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 24, 2021, 07:07:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 24, 2021, 07:02:52 PM
The BKA say there's no evidence he was involved in the German girls disappearance, so what involvement do you take from that ?
Did I say he was involved?  I said he was in close proximity to the disappearance, true fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 24, 2021, 07:13:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 07:07:04 PM
Did I say he was involved?  I said he was in close proximity to the disappearance, true fact.


Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 06:59:43 PM
Nothing clears him from involvement as far as I can see so all the while it’s ok to slur the McCanns on this forum, I see no reason why I shouldn’t continue to mention that CB was within 40 miles of her the evening before she disappeared.  It’s not a slur anyway, it’s a fact.

That was in response to the Inga Gehricke article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 24, 2021, 07:18:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 24, 2021, 07:13:52 PM

That was in response to the Inga Gehricke article.
And?  I didn’t say he was involved, only that he hadn’t been cleared.  Let me remind you that the McCanns were never even charged with their daughter’s disappearance but you refuse to accept they are cleared, so you can’t have it both ways I’m afraid. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 24, 2021, 07:35:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 07:18:13 PM
And?  I didn’t say he was involved, only that he hadn’t been cleared.  Let me remind you that the McCanns were never even charged with their daughter’s disappearance but you refuse to accept they are cleared, so you can’t have it both ways I’m afraid.

"Cleared" was the word used by the media following the archiving in Portugal. It was also used by their lawyer in the "Libel trial". In my opinion it was the wrong word.

I think "eliminated" is  more significant, because the McCanns weren't at any point eliminated by any police force from possible involvement in the disappearance imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 24, 2021, 08:02:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 24, 2021, 07:35:09 PM
"Cleared" was the word used by the media following the archiving in Portugal. It was also used by their lawyer in the "Libel trial". In my opinion it was the wrong word.

I think "eliminated" is  more significant, because the McCanns weren't at any point eliminated by any police force from possible involvement in the disappearance imo.
Yes they were.

How about this police force?

The disgraced cop insists that Madeleine died in an accident at the McCann's apartment at the Ocean Club and Kate and Gerry tried to cover it up.

Speaking on RTP show Sexta as 9, Wolters said: "I know this former inspector speaks a lot and comments on our work.

"We're not going to get into a war of words. All I will say is that we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance.

"On the other hand we have a lot of evidence pointing to Christian B killing her.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 08:49:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 08:02:13 PM
Yes they were.

How about this police force?

The disgraced cop insists that Madeleine died in an accident at the McCann's apartment at the Ocean Club and Kate and Gerry tried to cover it up.

Speaking on RTP show Sexta as 9, Wolters said: "I know this former inspector speaks a lot and comments on our work.

"We're not going to get into a war of words. All I will say is that we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance.

"On the other hand we have a lot of evidence pointing to Christian B killing her.”

Surely a very serious investigation would interview key eye witnesses from the scene?

So when did the Germans interview all the resort staff & guests?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 24, 2021, 09:01:12 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 08:49:51 PM
Surely a very serious investigation would interview key eye witnesses from the scene?

So when did the Germans interview all the resort staff & guests?
I’ve no idea, and frankly I’m not remotely interested.  The fact is The McCanns were “eliminated” by a police force from the possible involvement in the disappearance, contrary to G-Unit’s claim that none had.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 24, 2021, 09:04:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 08:49:51 PM
Surely a very serious investigation would interview key eye witnesses from the scene?

So when did the Germans interview all the resort staff & guests?

It isn't a re-run of the Amaral debacle.  It is a serious investigation of a rapist and a paedophile whose phone was used in Luz on the night Madeleine McCann vanished and who is known to have filmed some of his exploits.

The time is long past for the continued slurring of Madeleine's parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 24, 2021, 09:06:16 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 08:49:51 PM
Surely a very serious investigation would interview key eye witnesses from the scene?

So when did the Germans interview all the resort staff & guests?

Have any of the investigating authorities interviewed ALL guests at complex on 3rd May?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 09:01:12 PM
I’ve no idea, and frankly I’m not remotely interested. The fact is The McCanns were “eliminated” by a police force from the possible involvement in the disappearance, contrary to G-Unit’s claim that none had.

They haven't even interviewed the Smith family.

So, I wonder how many other witnesses they just haven't bothered interviewing during their very serious investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 09:15:29 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on February 24, 2021, 09:06:16 PM
Have any of the investigating authorities interviewed ALL guests at complex on 3rd May?

They've had 13 years, so, yes, we can only hope at least one of the other forces are conducting a very, very, very serious investigation.

This might actually include interviewing people, as oppose to just one of those very serious investigation, which seem somewhat more laxidasical in their methods.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 24, 2021, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 09:09:05 PM
They haven't even interviewed the Smith family.

So, I wonder how many other witnesses they just haven't bothered interviewing during their very serious investigation.

Afaik Mr Tranmer, husband of Mrs Fenns's niece, has never been interviewed and he apparently visited on Sun 29th April and Thursday 3rd May.  He was only a few metres away from soc around the time MM disappeared and might have witnessed something important.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 24, 2021, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 07:18:13 PM
And?  I didn’t say he was involved, only that he hadn’t been cleared.  Let me remind you that the McCanns were never even charged with their daughter’s disappearance but you refuse to accept they are cleared, so you can’t have it both ways I’m afraid.

Nothing to do with it, indicates he's ruled out.

But in a blow to the Madeleine's parents and investigators, Germany prosecutors have said that 44-year-old had nothing to do with Gehricke's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 24, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 24, 2021, 09:30:36 PM
Nothing to do with it, indicates he's ruled out.

But in a blow to the Madeleine's parents and investigators, Germany prosecutors have said that 44-year-old had nothing to do with Gehricke's disappearance.

Why should it be a blow to Madeleine's parents ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 24, 2021, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 09:15:29 PM
They've had 13 years, so, yes, we can only hope at least one of the other forces are conducting a very, very, very serious investigation.

This might actually include interviewing people, as oppose to just one of those very serious investigation, which seem somewhat more laxidasical in their methods.
There is no evidence that any of the current investigations has carried out extensive reinterviews of all the Tapas Staff or guests, and that includes the PJ investigation.  Perhaps that is because new evidence uncovered points very firmly away from the McCanns and towards some one else. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 24, 2021, 09:33:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 24, 2021, 09:30:36 PM
Nothing to do with it, indicates he's ruled out.

But in a blow to the Madeleine's parents and investigators, Germany prosecutors have said that 44-year-old had nothing to do with Gehricke's disappearance.
Unless he has a solid alibi how could he be ruled out?  No mention of a solid alibi hence he can’t be ruled out IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 24, 2021, 09:34:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 24, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
Why should it be a blow to Madeleine's parents ?

Who know's, who cares.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 24, 2021, 09:35:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 08:02:13 PM
Yes they were.

How about this police force?

The disgraced cop insists that Madeleine died in an accident at the McCann's apartment at the Ocean Club and Kate and Gerry tried to cover it up.

Speaking on RTP show Sexta as 9, Wolters said: "I know this former inspector speaks a lot and comments on our work.

"We're not going to get into a war of words. All I will say is that we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance.

"On the other hand we have a lot of evidence pointing to Christian B killing her.”

Is that the same as eliminating them? I don't think it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 24, 2021, 09:37:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 09:33:25 PM
Unless he has a solid alibi how could he be ruled out?  No mention of a solid alibi hence he can’t be ruled out IMO.


Get over it, you want him to have a modus, none exists and the likelihood he did for Madeleine is even more remote.

The legend is writ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 24, 2021, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 24, 2021, 09:35:19 PM
Is that the same as eliminating them? I don't think it is.
tell me why not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 24, 2021, 09:48:24 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 24, 2021, 09:37:35 PM

Get over it, you want him to have a modus, none exists and the likelihood he did for Madeleine is even more remote.

The legend is writ.
Don’t give me orders, thanks.  I will express my opinion as I see fit.  Bruckner is known to have been in the area  shortly before Inga went missing, that has been established.  The police say he had nothing to do with it, the same police havd also said thr McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance, you show no signs of being able to get over that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 09:32:26 PM
There is no evidence that any of the current investigations has carried out extensive reinterviews of all the Tapas Staff or guests, and that includes the PJ investigation.  Perhaps that is because new evidence uncovered points very firmly away from the McCanns and towards some one else.

All the German Investigation has demonstrated so far is that they have scant regard for the presumption of innocence & prisoner human rights, as has been amply demonstrated by their declaration of guilt without trial & use of torture on an innocent man.

What a shameful humiliation for all the mud & rocks that make up the area of land called Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 24, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 10:07:01 PM
All the German Investigation has demonstrated so far is that they have scant regard for the presumption of innocence & prisoner human rights, as has been amply demonstrated by their declaration of guilt without trial & use of torture on an innocent man.

What a shameful humiliation for all the mud & rocks that make up the area of land called Germany.

That sounds familiar.  Couldn't happen in Portugal, could it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 24, 2021, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2021, 10:07:01 PM
All the German Investigation has demonstrated so far is that they have scant regard for the presumption of innocence & prisoner human rights, as has been amply demonstrated by their declaration of guilt without trial & use of torture on an innocent man.

What a shameful humiliation for all the mud & rocks that make up the area of land called Germany.
Happens in most countries tbh.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 25, 2021, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 24, 2021, 09:30:36 PM
Nothing to do with it, indicates he's ruled out.

But in a blow to the Madeleine's parents and investigators, Germany prosecutors have said that 44-year-old had nothing to do with Gehricke's disappearance.


But in a blow to the Madeleine's parents and investigators, Germany prosecutors have said that 44-year-old had nothing to do with Gehricke's disappearance.

What a crazy thing to say.   Are you from another planet, Barrier ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 12:56:20 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 24, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
That sounds familiar.  Couldn't happen in Portugal, could it?

Or the U.K.?

https://news.sky.com/story/five-police-officers-investigated-for-alleged-manslaughter-after-death-of-man-following-arrest-12227955
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 25, 2021, 05:58:02 AM
Quote from: sadie on February 25, 2021, 12:34:31 AM

But in a blow to the Madeleine's parents and investigators, Germany prosecutors have said that 44-year-old had nothing to do with Gehricke's disappearance.

What a crazy thing to say.   Are you from another planet, Barrier ?
Those words are from a news article further up thread.Being crazy helps on this planet, let alone another one.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9295981/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-ruled-probe-missing-German-Maddie.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 25, 2021, 06:26:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 24, 2021, 09:48:24 PM
Don’t give me orders, thanks.  I will express my opinion as I see fit.  Bruckner is known to have been in the area  shortly before Inga went missing, that has been established.  The police say he had nothing to do with it, the same police havd also said thr McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance, you show no signs of being able to get over that.
I couldn't care less about the McCanns, I've always said and have seen nothing to change my mind in that, person/s unknown removed Madeleine from 5a without leaving  a trace to her whereabouts.Once the investigation into CB concludes with him ruled out, the investigation isn't left with much room for manoeuvre.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 25, 2021, 07:07:40 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 25, 2021, 06:26:35 AM
I couldn't care less about the McCanns, I've always said and have seen nothing to change my mind in that, person/s unknown removed Madeleine from 5a without leaving  a trace to her whereabouts.Once the investigation into CB concludes with him ruled out, the investigation isn't left with much room for manoeuvre.
Did I say you cared about the McCanns? To me it’s quite obvious what you think about them and continue to think about them despite the fact that they were ruled out years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 25, 2021, 08:45:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 25, 2021, 06:26:35 AM
I couldn't care less about the McCanns, I've always said and have seen nothing to change my mind in that, person/s unknown removed Madeleine from 5a without leaving  a trace to her whereabouts.Once the investigation into CB concludes with him ruled out, the investigation isn't left with much room for manoeuvre.

......there's still another 7 billion people need ruling out so there's plenty of work left to be done.

So far 3 police forces during 13 years have only succeeded in ruling 9 people out. (the McCanns & Tapas 7)

No mention of ruling out Robert Murat yet so I guess he's still very much in the frame.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 25, 2021, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 25, 2021, 08:45:00 AM
......there's still another 7 billion people need ruling out so there's plenty of work left to be done.

So far 3 police forces during 13 years have only succeeded in ruling 9 people out. (the McCanns & Tapas 7)

No mention of ruling out Robert Murat yet so I guess he's still very much in the frame.

At the moment the only individual "very much in the frame" is the one this thread is about and the one the German authorities have found evidence against which they are in the process of checking out.

Speculation elsewhere is unwarranted and off topic unless it refers to "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 25, 2021, 09:07:23 AM
At the moment the only individual "very much in the frame" is the one this thread is about and the one the German authorities have found evidence against which they are in the process of checking out.

Speculation elsewhere is unwarranted and off topic unless it refers to "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance."
I think the very fact they are happy to admit that their suspicions re CB and Inge show how open and honest they are which strengthens my opinion re CB and concrete evidence and the MM case. It interests me how they have managed to rule him out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 25, 2021, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 09:21:39 AM
I think the very fact they are happy to admit that their suspicions re CB and Inge show how open and honest they are which strengthens my opinion re CB and concrete evidence and the MM case. It interests me how they have managed to rule him out.

Relying on recycled information from British tabloids is never really a successful avenue for accuracy in my opinion.

We know first hand what the German prosecutors are doing in Brueckner's case regarding their investigation into Madeleine's disappearance because they have told us so.

I'm not sure how much information is in the public domain regarding other cases; I'm not aware of him being ruled out of other investigations apart from that in British tabloids.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 25, 2021, 09:51:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 09:21:39 AM
I think the very fact they are happy to admit that their suspicions re CB and Inge show how open and honest they are which strengthens my opinion re CB and concrete evidence and the MM case. It interests me how they have managed to rule him out.
IMO they could only have ruled him out on the basis of a cast iron alibi, though there is no mention of one in the article.  But yes, as you point out, it indicates that they DO have strong evidence against CB in the Madeleine case otherwise he would presumably have also been ruled out of that one by now too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2021, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 25, 2021, 09:51:38 AM
IMO they could only have ruled him out on the basis of a cast iron alibi, though there is no mention of one in the article.  But yes, as you point out, it indicates that they DO have strong evidence against CB in the Madeleine case otherwise he would presumably have also been ruled out of that one by now too.

No Alibi?  Who wouldn't produce an Alibi if they have one?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 25, 2021, 09:58:29 AM
No Alibi?  Who wouldn't produce an Alibi if they have one?

It was one evening thirteen years ago. Do you know what you did on the 3rd of May 13 years ago because I certainly don’t.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 25, 2021, 10:42:58 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 10:40:06 AM
It was one evening thirteen years ago. Do you know what you did on the 3rd of May 13 years ago because I certainly don’t.
On what other basis could CB have been eliminated of involvement in the disappearance of Inga Gehricke?  Unless only on the basis of a lack of evidence, which as we all know doesn't mean he didn't do it (a mantra much beloved of McCann sceptics, lest we forget). 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2021, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 10:40:06 AM
It was one evening thirteen years ago. Do you know what you did on the 3rd of May 13 years ago because I certainly don’t.

Ah Ha.  I do.  I was sitting in bed on my Lap Top looking for something to do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 25, 2021, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 25, 2021, 09:58:29 AM
No Alibi?  Who wouldn't produce an Alibi if they have one?

Had there been an alibi it would have been produced in the early days and we probably would never have heard of Brueckner.

Despite the passage of the years since 2007 I'm sure events such as his release from prison ~ his trip with the young Germans in his camper van ~ signing over his car to a friend ~ would in my opinion have made the relevant time easy to recall to mind.
If he had no witnesses to his whereabouts because for example he had been burglarising a property ~ the evidence for that would probably still be on record.

It is plain that the Germans have evidence pointing to his involvement in Madeleine's disappearance ~ if he had an alibi covering that period, I am sure we would have heard about it.  Particularly as his lawyer likes to envisage Brits falling off their chairs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 10:54:32 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 25, 2021, 10:47:43 AM
Ah Ha.  I do.  I was sitting in bed on my Lap Top looking for something to do.

  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 25, 2021, 10:42:58 AM
On what other basis could CB have been eliminated of involvement in the disappearance of Inga Gehricke?  Unless only on the basis of a lack of evidence, which as we all know doesn't mean he didn't do it (a mantra much beloved of McCann sceptics, lest we forget).

He could have been eliminated by the fact the Germans knew where he was that day. My thoughts have always been that HCW is building a picture of where CB was on important days by contacting all his known associates.
It would then point to the fact that none of his associates know where he was on May 3rd. HCW may well be pre empting his alibi
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 11:04:47 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 10:40:06 AM
It was one evening thirteen years ago. Do you know what you did on the 3rd of May 13 years ago because I certainly don’t.
According to reports they've spoken to his girlfriend who knew exactly where she and CB were on May 2nd. She could be a very important witness. I would think most in Luz would remember where they were during those hectic days
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:08:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 11:01:39 AM
He could have been eliminated by the fact the Germans knew where he was that day. My thoughts have always been that HCW is building a picture of where CB was on important days by contacting all his known associates.
It would then point to the fact that none of his associates know where he was on May 3rd. HCW may well be pre empting his alibi

Why would the fact that none of his associates knew where he was on the third make any difference to the case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:08:23 AM
Why would the fact that none of his associates knew where he was on the third make any difference to the case?

Because if everyday during that period can be accounted for apart from 3rd May onwards it raises a red flag. He was a sociable person so if he disappeared off the radar during that time it's highly significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 25, 2021, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 25, 2021, 10:47:43 AM
Ah Ha.  I do.  I was sitting in bed on my Lap Top looking for something to do.
I know what I did on the evening of 4th May 2007.  I went to the pub with some girlfriends and we discussed the disappearance.  I would think people who were actually in PdL at the time would have an even clearer memory of that day and some memory of what they were doing the night before as all of them would without doubt have asked themselves if they had been anywhere near the OC at the time and if so whether or not they saw anything suspicious.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:16:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 11:04:47 AM
According to reports they've spoken to his girlfriend who knew exactly where she and CB were on May 2nd. She could be a very important witness. I would think most in Luz would remember where they were during those hectic days

If they’d been asked the day after or the year after perhaps but thirteen years down the line? On the 4th of May I remember sitting at my kitchen table and hearing of Madeleine’s disappearance. What I did the day before or for the rest of that day I couldn't tell you.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:16:13 AM
If they’d been asked the day after or the year after perhaps but thirteen years down the line? On the 4th of May I remember sitting at my kitchen table and hearing of Madeleine’s disappearance. What I did the day before or for the rest of that day I couldn't tell you.

You didn't live in Luz.. As I said his then girlfriend remembers
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 11:13:00 AM
Because if everyday during that period can be accounted for apart from 3rd May onwards it raises a red flag. He was a sociable person so if he disappeared off the radar during that time it's highly significant

If there was periods where he fell off of the radar, as there seems to be, then that he did at that time is less significant.

His girlfriend in the Discovery documentary said that he would go missing for periods of time and that his lifestyle turned out to be too chaotic for her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:22:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 11:18:33 AM
You didn't live in Luz.. As I said his then girlfriend remembers

Do you have a cite?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:22:12 AM
Do you have a cite?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job-22166869.amp
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:21:42 AM
If there was periods where he fell off of the radar, as there seems to be, then that he did at that time is less significant.

His girlfriend in the Discovery documentary said that he would go missing for periods of time and that his lifestyle turned out to be too chaotic for her.

Do you have a cite for... Go missing for periods of time... What were her exact words.... What length of time
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:50:27 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 11:36:50 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job-22166869.amp

‘ The paedophile suspected of snatching Madeleine McCann allegedly told his British then-girlfriend he had "a horrible job to do" shortly before the girl vanished.’

Allegedly? Doesn’t sound like even the Sun ( who reported the original interview) was convinced.

So you now trust the media to report accurately?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:51:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
Do you have a cite for... Go missing for periods of time... What were her exact words.... What length of time

Watch the documentary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 11:58:40 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:51:10 AM
Watch the documentary.

I've watched it... I've asked you for a cite but you onviously can't remember exactly what the girlfriend said so can't provide a cite.. That's fine

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 11:59:35 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:50:27 AM
‘ The paedophile suspected of snatching Madeleine McCann allegedly told his British then-girlfriend he had "a horrible job to do" shortly before the girl vanished.’

Allegedly? Doesn’t sound like even the Sun ( who reported the original interview) was convinced.

So you now trust the media to report accurately?

Not always... But it's an interesting comment and dynamite if true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 12:04:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 11:59:35 AM
Not always... But it's an interesting comment and dynamite if true

If true.....so not even you are convinced.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 12:09:44 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 12:04:15 PM
If true.....so not even you are convinced.

I'm quite picky as to what I accept s being true)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 12:09:44 PM
I'm quite picky as to what I accept s being true)

So not convinced.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 12:14:34 PM
So not convinced.
I don't know  that the statement is 100% accurate... It may well be. Unlike others I don't simply accept what supports my argument.. I judge objectively
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 12:22:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
I don't know  that the statement is 100% accurate... It may well be. Unlike others I don't simply accept what supports my argument.. I judge objectively

‘According to reports they've spoken to his girlfriend who knew exactly where she and CB were on May 2nd’

So as far as you know this posted by you earlier could well not be true?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 25, 2021, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 12:09:44 PM
I'm quite picky as to what I accept s being true)

I've noticed - basically anything you don't like .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 25, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
There seems to be a common misconception amongst McCann sceptics that McCann supporters are all absolutely convinced of CB's guilt.  Untrue, some of us think he may be involved, but nothing has been revealed yet that makes it a dead cert. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 12:43:11 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 12:22:04 PM
‘According to reports they've spoken to his girlfriend who knew exactly where she and CB were on May 2nd’

So as far as you know this posted by you earlier could well not be true?

I dont think you are folowing things very well. I posted "according to reports"...if you dont fully understand what that means you have  a problem
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 25, 2021, 12:22:10 PM
I've noticed - basically anything you don't like .

Then you are not very observant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 12:43:11 PM
I dont think you are folowing things very well. I posted "according to reports"...if you dont fully understand what that means you have  a problem

So you don’t believe it?

Perhaps you’d like to clarify?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 12:51:09 PM
So you don’t believe it?

Perhaps you’d like to clarify?

I think it may well be true or have some truth in it. Not enough information to know for sure. You seem to think I beleive everything that supports my view. You are of course wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 01:12:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 12:54:05 PM
I think it may well be true or have some truth in it. Not enough information to know for sure. You seem to think I beleive everything that supports my view. You are of course wrong.

Why do you think it is true or has some truth in it if even the newspaper that reported the quote won’t confirm it’s veracity? What evidence are you using to make your decision?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 01:17:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 01:12:31 PM
Why do you think it is true or has some truth in it if even the newspaper that reported the quote won’t confirm it’s veracity? What evidence are you using to make your decision?


I havent said I think its true and I cant be bothered to educate you on how to assess evidence. If you dont understand what I have said you wont accept/understand my explanation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 01:19:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 01:17:45 PM

I havent said I think its true and I cant be bothered to educate you on how to assess evidence. If you dont understand what I have said you wont accept/understand my explanation

So you’re not sure that it’s true but you’re basing your opinion on it. Is that correct?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 01:25:38 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 01:19:43 PM
So you’re not sure that it’s true but you’re basing your opinion on it. Is that correct?

I cant be bothered to make it any clearer to you if you havent understood what I have posted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 01:25:38 PM
I cant be bothered to make it any clearer to you if you havent understood what I have posted.

Don’t worry, you have been very clear.

You have posted a cite that neither you nor the paper it appeared in can prove is true but have based your opinion on it. Thank you for being so candid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 25, 2021, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 01:33:49 PM
Don’t worry, you have been very clear.

You have posted a cite that neither you nor the paper it appeared in can prove is true but have based your opinion on it. Thank you for being so candid.
Gosh, how novel, it's not as if you've ever based your opinion on anything you can't prove is true, like  Smithman being Gerry  for example. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 25, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 25, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
There seems to be a common misconception amongst McCann sceptics that McCann supporters are all absolutely convinced of CB's guilt.  Untrue, some of us think he may be involved, but nothing has been revealed yet that makes it a dead cert.

I think it is understood all too well that McCann supporters are well aware of precisely what the presumption of innocence entails;  it is sceptics who appear to misunderstand the concept when it comes to bad mouthing the McCanns.

The Germans are convinced they have evidence implicating Brueckner in whatever it was that befell Madeleine.  I know of no supporter who has overstepped the mark regarding Brueckner's rights when considering the information we are privy to nor am I aware of speculation regarding the information we have not been given.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 01:48:06 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 01:33:49 PM
Don’t worry, you have been very clear.

You have posted a cite that neither you nor the paper it appeared in can prove is true but have based your opinion on it. Thank you for being so candid.

All your opinion so not important to me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 25, 2021, 04:28:27 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 25, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
I think it is understood all too well that McCann supporters are well aware of precisely what the presumption of innocence entails;  it is sceptics who appear to misunderstand the concept when it comes to bad mouthing the McCanns.

The Germans are convinced they have evidence implicating Brueckner in whatever it was that befell Madeleine.  I know of no supporter who has overstepped the mark regarding Brueckner's rights when considering the information we are privy to nor am I aware of speculation regarding the information we have not been given.

Can you please clarify what you mean by supporters 'bad mouthing' the McCANNS?  People are entitled to tell the truth- it may not be  a very nice truth but the truth it is and nothing you can say to change that.

shooting the messingers tut tut.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 25, 2021, 04:49:02 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on February 25, 2021, 04:28:27 PM
Can you please clarify what you mean by supporters 'bad mouthing' the McCANNS?  People are entitled to tell the truth- it may not be  a very nice truth but the truth it is and nothing you can say to change that.

shooting the messingers tut tut.

Is there the slightest chance of you making the attempt to tone down your ill informed slurs a notch or two and at least pay lip service to the thread topic.  Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2021, 05:03:32 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 25, 2021, 04:49:02 PM
Is there the slightest chance of you making the attempt to tone down your ill informed slurs a notch or two and at least pay lip service to the thread topic.  Thank you in advance.

No Chance, I would say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 25, 2021, 05:06:56 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on February 25, 2021, 04:28:27 PM
Can you please clarify what you mean by supporters 'bad mouthing' the McCANNS?  People are entitled to tell the truth- it may not be  a very nice truth but the truth it is and nothing you can say to change that.

shooting the messingers tut tut.
I’m not sure how much bad mouthing of the McCanns is done by supporters tbh.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 05:10:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 01:48:06 PM
All your opinion so not important to me

Based on exactly what you posted.

You really should at least try to be consistent in your posts. Members would take you much more seriously if you did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 25, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 25, 2021, 05:03:32 PM
No Chance, I would say.

One can only live in hope and await a post which has something pertinent to say about the subject of the thread which is about the prime suspect in the disappearance of a child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 25, 2021, 05:14:36 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 05:10:54 PM
Based on exactly what you posted.

You really should at least try to be consistent in your posts. Members would take you much more seriously if you did.
Stop bullying Davel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2021, 05:25:23 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 25, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
One can only live in hope and await a post which has something pertinent to say about the subject of the thread which is about the prime suspect in the disappearance of a child.

No chance of that either, I would say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 05:37:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 05:10:54 PM
Based on exactly what you posted.

You really should at least try to be consistent in your posts. Members would take you much more seriously if you did.

All your opinion so not important to me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 25, 2021, 06:14:47 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 25, 2021, 09:58:29 AM
No Alibi?  Who wouldn't produce an Alibi if they have one?


No one, a lawyer for an arrested suspect on a csi programme on the beeb Tuesday told the camera a suspect has to say nothing regarding their whereabouts, its up to any prosecution to prove what they claim. Turns out they could.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 25, 2021, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:21:42 AM
If there was periods where he fell off of the radar, as there seems to be, then that he did at that time is less significant.

His girlfriend in the Discovery documentary said that he would go missing for periods of time and that his lifestyle turned out to be too chaotic for her.

Hedonistic lifestyle ? something along the lines of I'm on a whiskey diet, and missed three day's last week.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 25, 2021, 06:29:44 PM
Hedonistic lifestyle ? something along the lines of I'm on a whiskey diet, and missed three day's last week.

I think that’s very much what his life was like.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2021, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 11:21:42 AM
If there was periods where he fell off of the radar, as there seems to be, then that he did at that time is less significant.

His girlfriend in the Discovery documentary said that he would go missing for periods of time and that his lifestyle turned out to be too chaotic for her.

That isn't what she said. She made no mention of him going missing for any periods she said he came home at 2 or 3 in the morning. Looks like you are making things up
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 25, 2021, 06:39:06 PM
That isn't what she said. She made no mention of him going missing for any periods she said he came home at 2 or 3 in the morning. Looks like you are making things up

She said that he sometimes slept at the allotment. He therefore would be missing from her home for a period of time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 26, 2021, 01:29:07 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 25, 2021, 10:40:06 AM
It was one evening thirteen years ago. Do you know what you did on the 3rd of May 13 years ago because I certainly don’t.
Neither do I.   I have found looking back over a bank statement a good way of jogging one's memory.   Phone records could also do the trick. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 26, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 26, 2021, 01:29:07 AM
Neither do I.   I have found looking back over a bank statement a good way of jogging one's memory.   Phone records could also do the trick.

That would certainly help but even that’s not foolproof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 26, 2021, 11:54:34 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 26, 2021, 01:29:07 AM
Neither do I.   I have found looking back over a bank statement a good way of jogging one's memory.   Phone records could also do the trick.

I look to the next pay packet not the one's past and spent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on February 26, 2021, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 26, 2021, 01:29:07 AM
Neither do I.   I have found looking back over a bank statement a good way of jogging one's memory.   Phone records could also do the trick.

He probably did most of his dealings in cash like all career criminals and drug dealers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 26, 2021, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 26, 2021, 12:00:33 PM
He probably did most of his dealings in cash like all career criminals and drug dealers.
Do they keep records of who has paid and when?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 26, 2021, 06:17:47 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 26, 2021, 06:05:44 PM
Do they keep records of who has paid and when?

Cash up front, Mate.  Or else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 27, 2021, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on February 26, 2021, 12:00:33 PM
He probably did most of his dealings in cash like all career criminals and drug dealers.

Brings a thought to me- why did his (CB) 'friends' give him up when cornered by police and not when a cash reward was offered?

People who are not housebound, but addicted to booze/drugs etc are known to disappear, mostly to join others who enjoy their vices, or to earn money for them!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 27, 2021, 02:47:31 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on February 27, 2021, 02:38:36 PM
Brings a thought to me- why did his (CB) 'friends' give him up when cornered by police and not when a cash reward was offered?

People who are not housebound, but addicted to booze/drugs etc are known to disappear, mostly to join others who enjoy their vices, or to earn money for them!



Not a whiff of what had happened to her for all those years.
Very puzzling that people in the know weren't just the teeniest bit tempted by the reward money on offer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 27, 2021, 03:35:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 27, 2021, 02:47:31 PM

Not a whiff of what had happened to her for all those years.
Very puzzling that people in the know weren't just the teeniest bit tempted by the reward money on offer.


Wasn’t it 2 million pounds at one point?

Brueckner was supposed to have told Busching in 2008 that he was involved. The huge reward was certainly available at that time.

What’s odd for me is that Busching is a convicted trafficker and would have the knowledge and connections I would assume to traffick a child. Yet even though several supporters support the theory that Madeleine was trafficked they have no comment to make on Busching’s proven expertise in this area.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 27, 2021, 03:37:36 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 27, 2021, 03:35:15 PM

Wasn’t it 2 million pounds at one point?

Brueckner was supposed to have told Busching in 2008 that he was involved. The huge reward was certainly available at that time.

What’s odd for me is that Busching is a convicted trafficker and would have the knowledge and connections I would assume to traffick a child. Yet even though several supporters support the theory that Madeleine was trafficked they have no comment to make on Busching’s proven expertise in this area.

Wolters says Maddie was killed shortly after being taken

Madeleine McCann was killed soon after she was kidnapped, a German prosecutor told The Times
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 27, 2021, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 27, 2021, 03:37:36 PM
Wolters says Maddie was killed shortly after being taken

Learn more about Brueckner's sordid background and the evidence that may place him near or at the crime scene in Portugal in an all-new episode of "48 Hours." "The Puzzle: Solving the Madeleine McCann Case" airs Saturday, February 27 at 10/9c on CBS.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-usb-drives-buried-48-hours/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 27, 2021, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 27, 2021, 03:35:15 PM

Wasn’t it 2 million pounds at one point?

Brueckner was supposed to have told Busching in 2008 that he was involved. The huge reward was certainly available at that time.

What’s odd for me is that Busching is a convicted trafficker and would have the knowledge and connections I would assume to traffick a child. Yet even though several supporters support the theory that Madeleine was trafficked they have no comment to make on Busching’s proven expertise in this area.
Smuggling three adults out of Syria (or whichever god forsaken country it was) in a car does not make him an expert in the trafficking of  children for use in the sex trade does it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 27, 2021, 03:58:55 PM
Jeez not another documentary. Still, I guess it's a good cash cow for the media types.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 27, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 27, 2021, 03:58:55 PM
Jeez not another documentary. Still, I guess it's a good cash cow for the media types.

Like Amaral you mean?

I don't think he has been averse to coining it in over the past thirteen years having appeared in many - one of which was very recently to backtrack on assertions made previously.

Amaral is a prolific 'media type'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 27, 2021, 04:47:26 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 27, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Like Amaral you mean?

I don't think he has been averse to coining it in over the past thirteen years having appeared in many - one of which was very recently to backtrack on assertions made previously.

Amaral is a prolific 'media type'.

I was thinking more of the people who commission and make these programs.
I'm sure that only the other day someone was whining on here about people making money from last week's Youtube offering.

For myself, I'm not concerned about people making money from the Madeleine 'industry'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 27, 2021, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 27, 2021, 04:47:26 PM
I was thinking more of the people who commission and make these programs.
I'm sure that only the other day someone was whining on here about people making money from last week's Youtube offering.

For myself, I'm not concerned about people making money from the Madeleine 'industry'

Do you mean Amaral didn't write - commission - make - play a starring role in his documentary of his book which left him minted?

I doubt with all things considered anyone has profited more from using Madeleine as 'a cash cow' than Amaral has.

Perhaps Lizzie Taylor runs a close second.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 27, 2021, 05:04:23 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 27, 2021, 04:59:21 PM
Do you mean Amaral didn't write - commission - make - play a starring role in his documentary of his book which left him minted?

I doubt with all things considered anyone has profited more from using Madeleine as 'a cash cow' than Amaral has.

Perhaps Lizzie Taylor runs a close second.

Why should I be interested ?  I do't watch any of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 27, 2021, 05:10:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 27, 2021, 05:04:23 PM
Why should I be interested ?  I do't watch any of them.

You mean that you’re not enraged? Are you even human?  8()(((@#
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 27, 2021, 05:21:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 27, 2021, 05:04:23 PM
Why should I be interested ?  I do't watch any of them.
For someone as completely disinterested in almost everything as you seem to be, it’s a wonder you can summon the energy or inclination to share your observations with the handful of members of this forum who bother to read them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 09:39:16 AM
Cavet british press, but hey oh, some set their stall on the media reports.Smidgen of truth perchance.

Madeleine McCann informant 'hoped to make £1million telling police about Christian B'


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-informant-hoped-make-23578041


Join the dots and all will be revealed.


'But he never actually told me what it was that he told Scotland Yard about Christian B and Madeleine, it must have been important because he came back a few days later with lots of money and he was hoppa (drunk) hoppa (drunk).''

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12739051/madeleine-mccann-witness-crucial-cops-sealed-off-entire-hotel-swept-building-bugs/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 28, 2021, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 09:39:16 AM
Cavet british press, but hey oh, some set their stall on the media reports.Smidgen of truth perchance.

Madeleine McCann informant 'hoped to make £1million telling police about Christian B'


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-informant-hoped-make-23578041

Maybe he thought he was playing Monopoly and would awarded a 'get out of jail' card.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 09:52:19 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 28, 2021, 09:47:11 AM
Maybe he thought he was playing Monopoly and would awarded a 'get out of jail' card.


See my edit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 10:12:48 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 09:52:19 AM

See my edit.

CB won't be convicted on one person's statement

I want to see the case solved not someone convicted on questionable evidence and I do not see that happening
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 10:18:52 AM
Imo many sceptics would have been happy to see the McCanns convicted on dodgy statements... Dodgy dog alerts and dodgy forensics. That's what Amaral thought proved their guilt.

Supporters expect proper evidence and that goes for any evidence against CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on February 28, 2021, 10:24:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 10:18:52 AM
Imo many sceptics would have been happy to see the McCanns convicted on dodgy statements... Dodgy dog alerts and dodgy forensics. That's what Amaral thought proved their guilt.

Supporters expect proper evidence and that goes for any evidence against CB

Not sure what you mean by dodgy statements davel?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 28, 2021, 10:29:23 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 27, 2021, 05:21:10 PM
For someone as completely disinterested in almost everything as you seem to be, it’s a wonder you can summon the energy or inclination to share your observations with the handful of members of this forum who bother to read them.

Unfortunately, I have to.  But I don't have a problem with Sceptics in general.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 28, 2021, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 28, 2021, 10:29:23 AM
Unfortunately, I have to.  But I don't have a problem with Sceptics in general.

Just the price you have to pay for wanting to be a monitor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 28, 2021, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: John on February 28, 2021, 10:24:16 AM
Not sure what you mean by dodgy statements davel?

Dodgy Translations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on February 28, 2021, 10:35:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 09:39:16 AM
Cavet british press, but hey oh, some set their stall on the media reports.Smidgen of truth perchance.

Madeleine McCann informant 'hoped to make £1million telling police about Christian B'


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-informant-hoped-make-23578041


Join the dots and all will be revealed.


'But he never actually told me what it was that he told Scotland Yard about Christian B and Madeleine, it must have been important because he came back a few days later with lots of money and he was hoppa (drunk) hoppa (drunk).''

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12739051/madeleine-mccann-witness-crucial-cops-sealed-off-entire-hotel-swept-building-bugs/

I think they will be sorely disappointed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on February 28, 2021, 10:38:59 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 28, 2021, 10:31:46 AM
Dodgy Translations.

I'm sure you will know Eleanor that some foreign lingo doesn't translate directly into English and that is where the difficulty sometimes arises. When I was correcting the trial transcripts so kindly provided by Anne, I found this occurred quite often.

I have checked the translations for numerous statements in the McCann case and most appear correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 10:43:41 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 09:39:16 AM
Cavet british press, but hey oh, some set their stall on the media reports.Smidgen of truth perchance.

Madeleine McCann informant 'hoped to make £1million telling police about Christian B'


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-informant-hoped-make-23578041


Join the dots and all will be revealed.


'But he never actually told me what it was that he told Scotland Yard about Christian B and Madeleine, it must have been important because he came back a few days later with lots of money and he was hoppa (drunk) hoppa (drunk).''

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12739051/madeleine-mccann-witness-crucial-cops-sealed-off-entire-hotel-swept-building-bugs/

Well, well. I don’t like to say I told you so but....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 28, 2021, 10:48:05 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 10:43:41 AM
Well, well. I don’t like to say I told you so but....
You’re not believing a report in a dodgy tabloid about what some dodgy bloke said his dodgy mate told him are you?  Wonders will never cease...
How much was Seyferth paid by the media for this “pack of lies” do you think Faithlilly?  After all surely he too is just another hustler on the take, so we can dismiss this report like we can the one by Sillence can’t we, for consistency’s sake, yah?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: John on February 28, 2021, 10:24:16 AM
Not sure what you mean by dodgy statements davel?

What I mean is the initial statements taken by the Portuguese where there is no original to check the translations. We know that the McCanns were concerned with their accuracy and made new ones which were given to the PJ. As I recall Rebelo raised the point and certainly Colin Sutton did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 28, 2021, 11:21:35 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/the-puzzle-solving-the-madeleine-mccann-case/
The CBS 48 hours documentary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 11:31:07 AM
Quote from: Anthro on February 28, 2021, 11:21:35 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/the-puzzle-solving-the-madeleine-mccann-case/
The CBS 48 hours documentary.

Thank you Anthro.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 28, 2021, 11:32:15 AM
Quote from: Anthro on February 28, 2021, 11:21:35 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/the-puzzle-solving-the-madeleine-mccann-case/
The CBS 48 hours documentary.

I was about to watch when I noticed this in the documentary description.....

"Thirteen years after a child is abducted, investigators have a credible suspect. Is the puzzle of what happened to her complete? "

So there's no hope of this being an objective programme, as I suspected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 28, 2021, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 28, 2021, 11:32:15 AM
I was about to watch when I noticed this in the documentary description.....

"Thirteen years after a child is abducted, investigators have a credible suspect. Is the puzzle of what happened to her complete? "

So there's no hope of this being an objective programme, as I suspected.

From what I can gather, none of these programs are high on objectivity - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 28, 2021, 11:37:29 AM
From what I can gather, none of these programs are high on objectivity - IMO

It seems the only places abduction is not accepted as a virtual fact is on forums such as this
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 28, 2021, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 11:46:56 AM
It seems the only places abduction is not accepted as a virtual fact is on forums such as this

Well yes, who needs facts when you can just settle for virtual facts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 11:56:18 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 28, 2021, 11:37:29 AM
From what I can gather, none of these programs are high on objectivity - IMO

Dispatch's oct 2007, tells every thing that needs to be known, join the dots.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 12:07:21 PM
Quote from: John on February 28, 2021, 10:35:07 AM
I think they will be sorely disappointed.


You knew, just knew, filthy lucre was at the heart of the bestest mates dobbing CB in it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 28, 2021, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: John on February 28, 2021, 10:38:59 AM
I'm sure you will know Eleanor that some foreign lingo doesn't translate directly into English and that is where the difficulty sometimes arises. When I was correcting the trial transcripts so kindly provided by Anne, I found this occurred quite often.

I have checked the translations for numerous statements in the McCann case and most appear correct.

Try, "Particulier".  It's quite simple if you know the meaning of Particular and Peculiar.  Most people don't equate the two.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 12:07:21 PM

You knew, just knew, filthy lucre was at the heart of the bestest mates dobbing CB in it.

Now Seyforth knows he has a money tree he’s just going to keep shaking that thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 12:18:50 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 12:16:11 PM
Now Seyforth knows he has a money tree he’s just going to keep shaking that thing.

Not sure on that, Wolters shook the damn thing and sod all fell out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 28, 2021, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 12:18:50 PM
Not sure on that, Wolters shook the damn thing and sod all fell out.

Onto the dead dog.  But they managed to dig up the dog and found all sorts under the sod.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 28, 2021, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 10:43:41 AM
Well, well. I don’t like to say I told you so but....

What difference does it make?   He give information to the Police for money,  the Police use informers all the time didn't you know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 28, 2021, 12:45:33 PM
Sadly sometimes it is the only way to get information.   It doesn't mean the information is lies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 12:58:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 28, 2021, 12:39:45 PM
Onto the dead dog.  But they managed to dig up the dog and found all sorts under the sod.

2015, the BKA knew about CB in 2013, so do the maths, nothing to suggest images of Madeleine were on there, besides with all the leaks and supposition do you not think if the memory sticks or what ever they were contained anything more than child porn it would not have emerged.

During the search for Inga, police reportedly found six memory sticks with more than 8,000 files, mostly containing pictures and videos of child abuse, in a bag in the ground beneath the body of his dead dog.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/17/madeleine-mccann-suspect-kept-stash-girls-swimming-costumes-motorhome-12862743/?ito=cbshare

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 01:04:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 28, 2021, 12:39:45 PM
Onto the dead dog.  But they managed to dig up the dog and found all sorts under the sod.

Poor imitation of a sod.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 12:58:41 PM
2015, the BKA knew about CB in 2013, so do the maths, nothing to suggest images of Madeleine were on there, besides with all the leaks and supposition do you not think if the memory sticks or what ever they were contained anything more than child porn it would not have emerged.

During the search for Inga, police reportedly found six memory sticks with more than 8,000 files, mostly containing pictures and videos of child abuse, in a bag in the ground beneath the body of his dead dog.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/17/madeleine-mccann-suspect-kept-stash-girls-swimming-costumes-motorhome-12862743/?ito=cbshare

the germans said their was nothing relating to Inga on the memory sticks....why not mention Maddie at the same time as taht waas what the programme related to...the fact they didnt leads me to suspect there is. Added to this wolters refused to comment if images related to maddie was found and actually mentioned photos/videos as  a possible type of evidence they might hold.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 01:36:05 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 28, 2021, 12:42:32 PM
What difference does it make?   He give information to the Police for money,  the Police use informers all the time didn't you know.

Any information is tainted and will be discredited in court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 28, 2021, 12:45:33 PM
Sadly sometimes it is the only way to get information.   It doesn't mean the information is lies.


Doesn't mean its true either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 01:41:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 01:26:40 PM
the germans said their was nothing relating to Inga on the memory sticks....why not mention Maddie at the same time as taht waas what the programme related to...the fact they didnt leads me to suspect there is. Added to this wolters refused to comment if images related to maddie was found and actually mentioned photos/videos as  a possible type of evidence they might hold.

It goes back to what I've said before, SY still regard it as a missing person's case, the McCann's treat it the same, who would identify such images if its Madeleine to confirm and if that confirmation came why haven't the McCann's and or SY commented on such.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 01:47:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 01:41:43 PM
It goes back to what I've said before, SY still regard it as a missing person's case, the McCann's treat it the same, who would identify such images if its Madeleine to confirm and if that confirmation came why haven't the McCann's and or SY commented on such.

it goes back to what Ive said too...SY regard it as missing persons case becasue Wolters hasnt shared his evidence. the portuguese leaked to amaral they were investigating CB so cannot be trusted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 28, 2021, 01:56:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 01:04:52 PM
Poor imitation of a sod.

That is what Sod means.  Perhaps you didn't know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 01:47:46 PM
it goes back to what Ive said too...SY regard it as missing persons case becasue Wolters hasnt shared his evidence. the portuguese leaked to amaral they were investigating CB so cannot be trusted

Wolter could tell SY without them divulging the information to the PJ, if that was a concern. Why didn’t they?

I was watching a programme on forensics and one of the police officers said that when people talk about the forensics in a case they forget that we are also talking about digital forensics which is a major part of an investigation presently. Therefore when Wolter says that there are no forensics he could quite feasibly talking about digital forensics too such as videos and photographs.

I notice Wolter makes another appearance on the new CBS programme about the case. It’s funny I can’t remember Redwood, Wall et al making themselves quite as available to the media as Wolter. Even Amaral had the professionalism to stay out of the television studios until the case was shelved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 28, 2021, 02:27:22 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 01:36:05 PM
Any information is tainted and will be discredited in court.
It really wasn’t very long ago that sceptics were bemoaning the fact that the McCanns hadn’t used the fund money to put up a reward for information on Madeleine’s fate.  Why was that I wonder if any information received as a result of a reward is automatically tainted and discrredited in court?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 02:51:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 02:08:31 PM
Wolter could tell SY without them divulging the information to the PJ, if that was a concern. Why didn’t they?

I was watching a programme on forensics and one of the police officers said that when people talk about the forensics in a case they forget that we are also talking about digital forensics which is a major part of an investigation presently. Therefore when Wolter says that there are no forensics he could quite feasibly talking about digital forensics too such as videos and photographs.

I notice Wolter makes another appearance on the new CBS programme about the case. It’s funny I can’t remember Redwood, Wall et al making themselves quite as available to the media as Wolter. Even Amaral had the professionalism to stay out of the television studios until the case was shelved.

You may convince yourself but that's about it. Wolters has mentioned possible photographic evidence so he doesn't include this in forensics
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 04:13:56 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 28, 2021, 01:56:58 PM
That is what Sod means.  Perhaps you didn't know that.

A sod is a piece of turf.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 02:51:24 PM
You may convince yourself but that's about it. Wolters has mentioned possible photographic evidence so he doesn't include this in forensics


Thats because he has none, wont be long now, around 270 days of concrete evidence, must be a poor mix.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 04:43:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 04:19:48 PM

Thats because he has none, wont be long now, around 270 days of concrete evidence, must be a poor mix.

I think your main reason for saying that is that you find it so difficult to accept that you may have been wrong for 13 years
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 28, 2021, 05:13:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 12:58:41 PM
2015, the BKA knew about CB in 2013, so do the maths, nothing to suggest images of Madeleine were on there, besides with all the leaks and supposition do you not think if the memory sticks or what ever they were contained anything more than child porn it would not have emerged.

During the search for Inga, police reportedly found six memory sticks with more than 8,000 files, mostly containing pictures and videos of child abuse, in a bag in the ground beneath the body of his dead dog.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/17/madeleine-mccann-suspect-kept-stash-girls-swimming-costumes-motorhome-12862743/?ito=cbshare

How long do you think it would take to analyse the prolific amount of information harvested from this one offender in the midst of an investigation into hundreds of paedophiles?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 28, 2021, 05:20:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 04:43:17 PM
I think your main reason for saying that is that you find it so difficult to accept that you may have been wrong for 13 years

Nope, person/s unknown removed Madeleine from 5a without leaving a trace to her whereabouts, still seen nothing to change my mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 28, 2021, 05:22:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 28, 2021, 05:20:34 PM
Nope, person/s unknown removed Madeleine from 5a without leaving a trace to her whereabouts, still seen nothing to change my mind.
Change your mind about what?  Are you allowing for the fact that Bruckener or someone like him (with criminal intent to take a child) could have committed this crime?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 05:25:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 02:51:24 PM
You may convince yourself but that's about it. Wolters has mentioned possible photographic evidence so he doesn't include this in forensics

In connection with the suspicion over Brueckner? Do you have a cite?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 05:25:29 PM
In connection with the suspicion over Brueckner? Do you have a cite?

You don't seem very up to date with the facts. It's at the start of the second discovery plus doc.. At about 5 mins. I've referred to it before here
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 05:27:45 PM
You don't seem very up to date with the facts. It's at the start of the second discovery plus doc.. At about 5 mins. I've referred to it before here

So he says that he has photographic evidence that ties Brueckner to Madeleine’s disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 05:31:55 PM
So he says that he has photographic evidence that ties Brueckner to Madeleine’s disappearance?
Have you read my post
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 05:47:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 05:36:33 PM
Have you read my post

‘Wolter has mentioned possible photographic evidence’

In relation to? Brueckner??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 05:47:51 PM
‘Wolter has mentioned possible photographic evidence’

In relation to? Brueckner??

thats it....its the first epesode ..at around 4 mins. I thought you had watched it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 06:06:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
thats it....its the first epesode ..at around 4 mins. I thought you had watched it

No he didn’t.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 06:08:26 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 06:06:10 PM
No he didn’t.

Yes he did...he said they had no forensic evidence but the evidence could be witness statements...photo ...video
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 06:11:11 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 05:47:51 PM
‘Wolter has mentioned possible photographic evidence’

In relation to? Brueckner??

I think he has said he doesn't have enough evidence to charge Brueckner, and that is something everyone needs to accept. If that changes I'm sure we'll hear about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 06:11:11 PM
I think he has said he doesn't have enough evidence to charge Brueckner, and that is something everyone needs to accept. If that changes I'm sure we'll hear about it.

I dont think... I know. He says the  evidence he has could be witnesses...photos...videos
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 06:16:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 06:11:11 PM
I think he has said he doesn't have enough evidence to charge Brueckner, and that is something everyone needs to accept. If that changes I'm sure we'll hear about it.

The fact that he says he doesnt have enough evidence to charge CB does not mean he does not have certain evidence of MMs death
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 06:08:26 PM
Yes he did...he said they had no forensic evidence but the evidence could be witness statements...photo ...video

Well there’s a surprise...Wolter revealing the only other kinds of evidence it could be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 06:25:12 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 06:19:43 PM
Well there’s a surprise...Wolter revealing the only other kinds of evidence it could be.

No surprise that you didnt notice it when watching the programme
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 06:36:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 06:25:12 PM
No surprise that you didnt notice it when watching the programme

Wolter did not say that they had photographs or videos that tied Brueckner to the crime.

That really is the top and bottom of it no matter how much you try to deflect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 28, 2021, 06:46:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 06:11:11 PM
I think he has said he doesn't have enough evidence to charge Brueckner, and that is something everyone needs to accept. If that changes I'm sure we'll hear about it.
They only charge suspects when they can be almost certain of a conviction.  So at the moment they can’t be certain that the concrete evidence they have would pass that threshold but it seems clear from what HCW has said that the evidence they have firmly (and sadly) points to Madeleine’s death at Brückner’s hands.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 06:36:53 PM
Wolter did not say that they had photographs or videos that tied Brueckner to the crime.

That really is the top and bottom of it no matter how much you try to deflect.

Ive postsed what he did say...not what he didnt say. LOL.. when describing possible evidence he mentioned photos and video



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 06:49:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 06:16:18 PM
The fact that he says he doesnt have enough evidence to charge CB does not mean he does not have certain evidence of MMs death

I think keeping such evidence a secret would be, quite frankly, unbelievable and unforgivable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 06:56:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 28, 2021, 06:46:54 PM
Ive postsed what he did say...not what he didnt say. LOL.. when describing possible evidence he mentioned photos and video

‘Could’...that’s the only relevant word. Of course that’s the only other kind of evidence it could be so he’s really telling us nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 28, 2021, 06:57:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 06:49:20 PM
I think keeping such evidence a secret would be, quite frankly, unbelievable and unforgivable.

Especially to the child’s parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 28, 2021, 06:58:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 06:49:20 PM
I think keeping such evidence a secret would be, quite frankly, unbelievable and unforgivable.
Aren’t you of the view that he should have kept every detail secret until charges were brought?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2021, 07:03:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 06:49:20 PM
I think keeping such evidence a secret would be, quite frankly, unbelievable and unforgivable.

I don't
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 28, 2021, 07:09:03 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 28, 2021, 11:21:35 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/the-puzzle-solving-the-madeleine-mccann-case/
The CBS 48 hours documentary.

Thanks for that link, Anthro.

Not a lot that we didn't already know but certainly worth the updating it has been given.

Most poignant for me was when I make comparison with the hours and hours of concentration there was on the phone traffic of the McCanns and their friends and as the programme pointed out, what was the total disinterest of analysing that of the phone data recorded by the now prime suspect's phone immediately prior to Madeleine's disappearance.

That information just disregarded in cavalier fashion at the time it mattered most.  All that investigative time wasted when it mattered most.  Little wonder when asked about it now the Policia Judiaria had nothing to say on the matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 28, 2021, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 06:11:11 PM
I think he has said he doesn't have enough evidence to charge Brueckner, and that is something everyone needs to accept. If that changes I'm sure we'll hear about it.

The important issue lies in what Wolter's says as well as in what he doesn't say in answer to a direct question.

I think he displays gravitas and precision and I take note of Jim Gamble's opinion that Brueckner represents "a substantial and very significant lead" which " ... is like a jigsaw puzzle. You empty a box on the table, some bits might fall on the carpet others can't be put in place until you have the context around them.

"And credit to the Home Office because they have continued to fund this investigation .. there have been lots pushing for funding to stop and that can not happen when they are still lines of enquiry.

"This is about what happened to Madeleine McCann and hopefully we are at the end of this journey."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-profiled-by-former-ni-cop-gamble-an-end-could-be-in-sight-for-heartbroken-parents-gerry-and-kate-39259577.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 28, 2021, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 28, 2021, 07:09:03 PM
Thanks for that link, Anthro.

Not a lot that we didn't already know but certainly worth the updating it has been given.

Most poignant for me was when I make comparison with the hours and hours of concentration there was on the phone traffic of the McCanns and their friends and as the programme pointed out, what was the total disinterest of analysing that of the phone data recorded by the now prime suspect's phone immediately prior to Madeleine's disappearance.

That information just disregarded in cavalier fashion at the time it mattered most.  All that investigative time wasted when it mattered most.  Little wonder when asked about it now the Policia Judiaria had nothing to say on the matter.
I agree, Brietta. I also found the information about girls and boys significant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 28, 2021, 07:29:27 PM
The important issue lies in what Wolter's says as well as in what he doesn't say in answer to a direct question.

I think he displays gravitas and precision and I take note of Jim Gamble's opinion that Brueckner represents "a substantial and very significant lead" which " ... is like a jigsaw puzzle. You empty a box on the table, some bits might fall on the carpet others can't be put in place until you have the context around them.

"And credit to the Home Office because they have continued to fund this investigation .. there have been lots pushing for funding to stop and that can not happen when they are still lines of enquiry.

"This is about what happened to Madeleine McCann and hopefully we are at the end of this journey."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-profiled-by-former-ni-cop-gamble-an-end-could-be-in-sight-for-heartbroken-parents-gerry-and-kate-39259577.html

He's getting rather excited about something rather sparse imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 28, 2021, 08:54:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 08:28:33 PM
He's getting rather excited about something rather sparse imo.

I don't think he is getting excited at all.

I think he is just stating facts from the superior position of knowing what he is talking about having dealt with filth such as Brueckner throughout his working life.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 28, 2021, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 28, 2021, 08:28:33 PM
He's getting rather excited about something rather sparse imo.

"London and German police have identified an unnamed suspect who was in the Praia da Luz resort on the Algarve coast at the time the three-year-old vanished on May 3 2007."   

Police are treating the disappearance of Madeleine as murder.

He said the developments on Wednesday evening had given him more hope than in the last 13 years of a breakthrough."

SY are treating  the disappearance as Murder?   don't suppose they have evidence- like a body or bits of one even?

So... still no charges then tsk.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on March 01, 2021, 09:23:09 AM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on February 28, 2021, 09:59:23 PM
"London and German police have identified an unnamed suspect who was in the Praia da Luz resort on the Algarve coast at the time the three-year-old vanished on May 3 2007."   

Police are treating the disappearance of Madeleine as murder.

He said the developments on Wednesday evening had given him more hope than in the last 13 years of a breakthrough."

SY are treating  the disappearance as Murder?   don't suppose they have evidence- like a body or bits of one even?

So... still no charges then tsk.


Wolters wants to get his case rock solid.   As he said he is not giving out much information as he doesn't want CB to concoct a story for himself. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 01, 2021, 09:33:07 AM
Quote from: Lace on March 01, 2021, 09:23:09 AM

Wolters wants to get his case rock solid.   As he said he is not giving out much information as he doesn't want CB to concoct a story for himself.

If he has concrete evidence, then it should already be rock solid.  8)-)))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 01, 2021, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: jassi on March 01, 2021, 09:33:07 AM
If he has concrete evidence, then it should already be rock solid.  8)-)))

I reckon it is re Maddies death
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 02, 2021, 06:40:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on March 01, 2021, 09:35:08 AM
I reckon it is re Maddies death
It has been a while since I have read such an upsetting post.  Please don't repeat that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 02, 2021, 07:09:48 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on March 02, 2021, 06:40:12 AM
It has been a while since I have read such an upsetting post.  Please don't repeat that.

Wolters has said he has concrete evidence of MM's death... If other posters cast doubt on his credibility I see no problem with giving my opinion. I think it's more than reasonable to think that MM is no longer alive
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 03:15:07 PM
It has been suggested in another discussion that Mr Wolters may well be in possession of Brückner’s phone (+351) 912 730 680) with images of Madeleine. Hence, the importance of finding the person who called him before she disappeared, to validate that Brückner was in fact in possession of his phone at the time. This would make the prosecution’s case indesputable when going to court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on March 02, 2021, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 03:15:07 PM
It has been suggested in another discussion that Mr Wolters may well be in possession of Brückner’s phone (+351) 912 730 680) with images of Madeleine. Hence, the importance of finding the person who called him before she disappeared, to validate that Brückner was in fact in possession of his phone at the time. This would make the prosecution’s case indesputable when going to court.

If Wolter had Brueckner’s phone with photos of Madeleine on it he would have been questioned by now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 02, 2021, 05:41:36 PM
Quote from: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 03:15:07 PM
It has been suggested in another discussion that Mr Wolters may well be in possession of Brückner’s phone (+351) 912 730 680) with images of Madeleine. Hence, the importance of finding the person who called him before she disappeared, to validate that Brückner was in fact in possession of his phone at the time. This would make the prosecution’s case indesputable when going to court.
Did phones have cameras in those days?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 05:56:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on March 02, 2021, 05:41:36 PM
Di.... ......hones have cameras in those days?

My Nokia had a camera in 2007, VS. So, presumably yes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 02, 2021, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on March 02, 2021, 05:41:36 PM
Di.... ......hones have cameras in those days?
I’ve sussed that this strange thing happens when a word ending in ‘d’ is followed by a word beginning with ‘p’. 
Like developed photos
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 02, 2021, 06:26:39 PM

Developed photos.

Testing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 02, 2021, 06:27:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 02, 2021, 06:26:39 PM
Develope.... ......hotos.

Testing.

How very odd perchance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on March 02, 2021, 05:38:29 PM
If Wolter had Brueckner’s phone with photos of Madeleine on it he would have been questioned by now.
The argument is that he may deny taking such pictures and that he downloaded it from a secondary source. If the BKA can put that particular phone in Brückner’s possession on 3 May 2007, they can confidently interrogate and get a conviction. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on March 02, 2021, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
The argument is that he may deny taking such pictures and that he downloaded it from a secondary source. If the BKA can put that particular phone in Brückner’s possession on 3 May 2007, they can confidently interrogate and get a conviction. My opinion.

Of course but they would certainly have questioned him about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 02, 2021, 06:38:03 PM
Quote from: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
The argument is that he may deny taking such pictures and that he downloaded it from a secondary source. If the BKA can put that particular phone in Brückner’s possession on 3 May 2007, they can confidently interrogate and get a conviction. My opinion.


What basis does this argument hang its hat on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on March 02, 2021, 06:38:03 PM

What basis does this argument hang its hat on.
It is supposition, Barrier. If you look back at all Wolters’ interviews, he sticks with material/concrete evidence but not forensic evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on March 02, 2021, 06:37:27 PM
Of course but they would certainly have questioned him about it.
From what I’ve read about German law, they will only interrogate once their case is solid in order to get a positive outcome with conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on March 02, 2021, 08:04:04 PM
Quote from: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 06:48:03 PM
From what I’ve read about German law, they will only interrogate once their case is solid in order to get a positive outcome with conviction.

What if the case can’t be made unless there is input from the suspect? Further no case is ever solid until put before a jury and a guilty verdict achieved. There is a certain amount of doubt in almost every case that goes to court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on March 02, 2021, 08:04:04 PM
What if the case can’t be made unless there is input from the suspect? Further no case is ever solid until put before a jury and a guilty verdict achieved. There is a certain amount of doubt in almost every case that goes to court.
I guess it will be circumstantial. Germany does not have a judicial jury system. Davel has explained this ad infinitum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 02, 2021, 09:04:47 PM
Quote from: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 08:34:29 PM
I guess it will be circumstantial. Germany does not have a judicial jury system. Davel has explained this ad infinitum.


Very, very rare for "no body" cases in Germany, in dubio pro reo .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 02, 2021, 09:16:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on March 02, 2021, 09:04:47 PM

Very, very rare for "no body" cases in Germany, in dubio pro reo .

Well they've got specific information she can be found down a well, apparently, so it's only a matter of time before they find the right well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 02, 2021, 09:27:47 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on March 02, 2021, 09:16:51 PM
Well they've got specific information she can be found down a well, apparently, so it's only a matter of time before they find the right well.
So you don’t think someone drove her body in their car and chucked her down a well then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 02, 2021, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on March 02, 2021, 09:27:47 PM
So you don’t think someone drove her body in their car and chucked her down a well then?

There are so many around the hills of Luz it is a distinct possibility. Didn't the one and only search by SY concentrate on old disused wells?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on March 02, 2021, 10:36:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 08:34:29 PM
I guess it will be circumstantial. Germany does not have a judicial jury system. Davel has explained this ad infinitum.

But surely that is what he has now?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 02, 2021, 10:41:05 PM

There are isolated incidents when a Jury is involved in Germany.  I posted the relevant details on one of these Threads some time ago.  But no one seemed interested.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 03, 2021, 08:42:24 PM
Quote from: Anthro on March 02, 2021, 08:34:29 PM
I guess it will be circumstantial. Germany does not have a judicial jury system. Davel has explained this ad infinitum.

From concrete to circumstantial evidence- solid conviction in the pipeline then?

If they only interrogate when they have enough evidence to secure a positive outcome- then that equates to. They DON'T have enough evidence! and what if the 'evidence' is purely witness statements?

Back to 5a in May 2007... 'like sitting in our back yard' blah blah blah
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 29, 2021, 08:59:50 PM
My opinion only. Créche employee at the Baby Club (4 months to one-year old) may be able to provide information (?) Very little is known about her. She is Pauline McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 29, 2021, 09:18:03 PM
Quote from: Anthro on March 29, 2021, 08:59:50 PM
My opinion only. Créche employee at the Baby Club (4 months to one-year old) may be able to provide information (?) Very little is known about her. She is Pauline McCann.

About CB ? and what do you think the link is?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 29, 2021, 10:35:44 PM
Quote from: Anthro on March 29, 2021, 08:59:50 PM
My opinion only. Créche employee at the Baby Club (4 months to one-year old) may be able to provide information (?) Very little is known about her. She is Pauline McCann.

As far as I can see she held a Northern Ireland passport  https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULINE-MCCANN.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 30, 2021, 07:10:49 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 29, 2021, 10:35:44 PM
As far as I can see she held a Northern Ireland passport  https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULINE-MCCANN.htm

Is a NI Passport different to other UK Passports? I thought the family were Scottish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 30, 2021, 01:38:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 30, 2021, 07:10:49 AM
Is a NI Passport different to other UK Passports? I thought the family were Scottish.

You've lost me.           
Pauline Frances McCann is an employee about whom little is known, whose statement was translated by Robert Murat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 30, 2021, 02:49:56 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 30, 2021, 01:38:30 PM
You've lost me.           
Pauline Frances McCann is an employee about whom little is known, whose statement was translated by Robert Murat.

You said;

"As far as I can see she held a Northern Ireland passport  https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULINE-MCCANN.htm"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 30, 2021, 03:13:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 30, 2021, 02:49:56 PM
You said;

"As far as I can see she held a Northern Ireland passport  https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULINE-MCCANN.htm"

Yes?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 30, 2021, 06:01:28 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 30, 2021, 03:13:16 PM
Yes?

What makes you think she had a Northern Ireland passport?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 01, 2021, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 30, 2021, 06:01:28 PM
What makes you think she had a Northern Ireland passport?
Maybe something I read in a source some swear by and others most certainly wouldn't touch with a bargepole that Ms McCann flew out to Portugal from Londonderry.

It is interesting that given her arrival in Luz was on the 27th May and the nature of her employment with Mark Warner is of some relevance, that so little is known about her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 01, 2021, 01:57:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 01, 2021, 01:33:21 PM
Maybe something I read in a source some swear by and others most certainly wouldn't touch with a bargepole that Ms McCann flew out to Portugal from Londonderry.

It is interesting that given her arrival in Luz was on the 27th May and the nature of her employment with Mark Warner is of some relevance, that so little is known about her.

According to 192.com the nanny did live in Londonderry in 2002 with people who were likely her parents. From 2005-2012 the register has her listed in Newquay, Cornwall and her passport was issued in January 2007. Her statement says her nationality is Scottish.
She is a friend of someone who was a good friend of Brueckner in 2006 and that person lived in Portugal until at least 2010. Unfortunately it's not known when Pauline & the friend became acquainted. We also don't have details of Pauline's employment history in Portugal pre-2007.
Pauline wasn't the only nanny whose whereabouts on the night of 3/5/07 weren't questioned. Stacey Portz wasn't asked either. https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STACY-POTZ.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 01, 2021, 03:14:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 01, 2021, 01:33:21 PM
Maybe something I read in a source some swear by and others most certainly wouldn't touch with a bargepole that Ms McCann flew out to Portugal from Londonderry.

It is interesting that given her arrival in Luz was on the 27th May and the nature of her employment with Mark Warner is of some relevance, that so little is known about her.

None of that suggests she had something called a Northern Irish passport. I don't think such a thing exists, actually.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 01, 2021, 05:13:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 01, 2021, 03:14:34 PM
None of that suggests she had something called a Northern Irish passport. I don't think such a thing exists, actually.
The Passport is called “The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland” .  So a British passport is the same thing as a Northern Irish Passport, as they both come under the UK.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 01, 2021, 06:31:41 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 01, 2021, 05:13:41 PM
The Passport is called “The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland” .  So a British passport is the same thing as a Northern Irish Passport, as they both come under the UK.

Or any one born in NI and the  UK, is entitled to hold the same passport.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 01, 2021, 06:47:54 PM
Quote from: misty on April 01, 2021, 01:57:21 PM
According to 192.com the nanny did live in Londonderry in 2002 with people who were likely her parents. From 2005-2012 the register has her listed in Newquay, Cornwall and her passport was issued in January 2007. Her statement says her nationality is Scottish.
She is a friend of someone who was a good friend of Brueckner in 2006 and that person lived in Portugal until at least 2010. Unfortunately it's not known when Pauline & the friend became acquainted. We also don't have details of Pauline's employment history in Portugal pre-2007.
Pauline wasn't the only nanny whose whereabouts on the night of 3/5/07 weren't questioned. Stacey Portz wasn't asked either. https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STACY-POTZ.htm

Thanks for this, Misty. This mutual friend of McCann and Brückner seems interesting to me. He was featured anonymously on a recent TV show? His identity is not known as far as I am aware of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 01, 2021, 07:08:13 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 01, 2021, 06:47:54 PM
Thanks for this, Misty. This mutual friend of McCann and Brückner seems interesting to me. He was featured anonymously on a recent TV show? His identity is not known as far as I am aware of.

I don't think he's the same green-eyed man who was reported to have been at the parties in Barao de Sao Joao with Brueckner when he was allegedly selling drugs in 2006-7. He's spoken to the German media so imo he's not overly-important to BKA, certainly not as important as Busching.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 01, 2021, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: misty on April 01, 2021, 07:08:13 PM
I don't think he's the same green-eyed man who was reported to have been at the parties in Barao de Sao Joao with Brueckner when he was allegedly selling drugs in 2006-7. He's spoken to the German media so imo he's not overly-important to BKA, certainly not as important as Busching.
I’m wondering if this man is even on the radar of the BKA.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 01, 2021, 07:26:58 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 01, 2021, 07:12:17 PM
I’m wondering if this man is even on the radar of the BKA.

I don't know, Anthro but he's not currently in Germany afaik.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 01, 2021, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: misty on April 01, 2021, 07:26:58 PM
I don't know, Anthro but he's not currently in Germany afaik.
Yes, he is not in Germany at present. It seems he’s travelled the world and settled in some Asian country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 01, 2021, 08:11:53 PM
The PJ files state no affiliation between Madeleine’s parents, nanny Pauline McCann and owner of apartment 5A, Ruth McCann. Has anyone here been looking into this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 02, 2021, 01:22:14 AM
Quote from: misty on April 01, 2021, 01:57:21 PM
According to 192.com the nanny did live in Londonderry in 2002 with people who were likely her parents. From 2005-2012 the register has her listed in Newquay, Cornwall and her passport was issued in January 2007. Her statement says her nationality is Scottish.
She is a friend of someone who was a good friend of Brueckner in 2006 and that person lived in Portugal until at least 2010. Unfortunately it's not known when Pauline & the friend became acquainted. We also don't have details of Pauline's employment history in Portugal pre-2007.
Pauline wasn't the only nanny whose whereabouts on the night of 3/5/07 weren't questioned. Stacey Portz wasn't asked either. https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STACY-POTZ.htm

Thanks Misty, meticulously researched as always.  I knew none of this.  One wonders why the theorists who enjoy nothing more than a good conspiracy haven't gone into the coincidences here; particularly once Brueckner and his links to Praia da Luz became common knowledge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 02, 2021, 05:54:22 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 02, 2021, 01:22:14 AM
Thanks Misty, meticulously researched as always.  I knew none of this.  One wonders why the theorists who enjoy nothing more than a good conspiracy haven't gone into the coincidences here; particularly once Brueckner and his links to Praia da Luz became common knowledge.
Post of the year so far for its irony and deliverance of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 02, 2021, 08:26:03 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 02, 2021, 05:54:22 AM
Post of the year so far for its irony and deliverance of.
Care to explain what’s ironic about it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 02, 2021, 08:34:07 AM

Can someone tell me who this woman is.  I have no idea.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 02, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 02, 2021, 08:34:07 AM
Can someone tell me who this woman is.  I have no idea.

Precisely, Eleanor, despite her being in place at the time of Madeleine's disappearance we know nothing much about her or Stacey Portz  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg646645#msg646645
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 02, 2021, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 02, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
Precisely, Eleanor, despite her being in place at the time of Madeleine's disappearance we know nothing much about her or Stacey Portz  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg646645#msg646645

A friend of a friend of, eh!  Now there's something worth chewing to death.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 02, 2021, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 02, 2021, 11:48:13 AM
A friend of a friend of, eh!  Now there's something worth chewing to death.

There are lots of issues dating back to 2007 which it would be impossible for Madeleine's parents or their friends to have known anything about.  They were on a short break to a resort they hadn't been to before and where they had no contacts.

Measured against people who lived and worked there but who received little more than a cursory glance (with the exception of Murat) the fixation with people who didn't have the same opportunity is bizarre.

Amaral has told us Brueckner was eliminated from the inquiry early days and a witness claims to have been shown photographs of him at the time.

Snip
Christian Brueckner was on Portuguese detectives radar less than a week after the tot vanished from the resort in Praia da Luz.

They quizzed a nanny who looked after the missing toddler showing her a picture of the German paedophile, reports The Mirror.

Investigating officers told her his name on May 8, 2007 at the family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

Now questions are being raised about the the initial handling of the probe since Brueckner was of interest from the start.

The nanny told the Mirror today: “I was shown identikits the day after they took my statement [about her time with Madeleine].

“I recognised a few people from just being about… one guy I recognised was a known paedophile who later committed suicide.

"I am aware of his [Brueckner’s] name and face from photos I was shown but I don’t think I remember having seen him in real life.

"I’m aware police knew of guys like this in Praia da Luz at the time.”

Goncalo Amaral, who led the initial probe, said last April that a German paedophile had been identified in 2007 as a potential suspect.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccanns-resort-nanny-quizzed-22147795

So raises the question of why did Goncalo Amaral put the amount of effort he did into trying to blame Madeleine's parents when from his own mouth he has confirmed that he knew of many more potential perpetrators including Brueckner?


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 02, 2021, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 02, 2021, 12:51:15 PM
There are lots of issues dating back to 2007 which it would be impossible for Madeleine's parents or their friends to have known anything about.  They were on a short break to a resort they hadn't been to before and where they had no contacts.

Measured against people who lived and worked there but who received little more than a cursory glance (with the exception of Murat) the fixation with people who didn't have the same opportunity is bizarre.

Amaral has told us Brueckner was eliminated from the inquiry early days and a witness claims to have been shown photographs of him at the time.

Snip
Christian Brueckner was on Portuguese detectives radar less than a week after the tot vanished from the resort in Praia da Luz.

They quizzed a nanny who looked after the missing toddler showing her a picture of the German paedophile, reports The Mirror.

Investigating officers told her his name on May 8, 2007 at the family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

Now questions are being raised about the the initial handling of the probe since Brueckner was of interest from the start.

The nanny told the Mirror today: “I was shown identikits the day after they took my statement [about her time with Madeleine].

“I recognised a few people from just being about… one guy I recognised was a known paedophile who later committed suicide.

"I am aware of his [Brueckner’s] name and face from photos I was shown but I don’t think I remember having seen him in real life.

"I’m aware police knew of guys like this in Praia da Luz at the time.”

Goncalo Amaral, who led the initial probe, said last April that a German paedophile had been identified in 2007 as a potential suspect.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccanns-resort-nanny-quizzed-22147795

So raises the question of why did Goncalo Amaral put the amount of effort he did into trying to blame Madeleine's parents when from his own mouth he has confirmed that he knew of many more potential perpetrators including Brueckner?

Two Words.  The Ciprianos.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 02, 2021, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 02, 2021, 12:58:30 PM
Two Words.  The Ciprianos.

Two words, Child killers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 02, 2021, 02:03:14 PM
Are we playing Charades now ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on April 02, 2021, 02:31:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 02, 2021, 02:00:59 PM
Two words, Child killers.

Fair do's Spam, ultimately it was Joao Cipriano that confessed to killing Joana and not her mother.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 02, 2021, 09:13:41 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 02, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
Precisely, Eleanor, despite her being in place at the time of Madeleine's disappearance we know nothing much about her or Stacey Portz  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg646645#msg646645
Pauline F McCann’s rogatory interview was on 7 May 2007 at 18h35, Lagos. It would be interesting to know her whereabouts from 3 to 7 May 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 02, 2021, 11:30:03 PM
Quote from: misty on April 01, 2021, 01:57:21 PM
According to 192.com the nanny did live in Londonderry in 2002 with people who were likely her parents. From 2005-2012 the register has her listed in Newquay, Cornwall and her passport was issued in January 2007. Her statement says her nationality is Scottish.
She is a friend of someone who was a good friend of Brueckner in 2006 and that person lived in Portugal until at least 2010. Unfortunately it's not known when Pauline & the friend became acquainted. We also don't have details of Pauline's employment history in Portugal pre-2007.
Pauline wasn't the only nanny whose whereabouts on the night of 3/5/07 weren't questioned. Stacey Portz wasn't asked either. https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STACY-POTZ.htm

I think a cite is needed for the bolded text.

Stacey Portz was at the Mirage Bar with a group of colleagues, according to Susan Owen.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SUSAN-OWEN.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 03, 2021, 07:53:34 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 02, 2021, 11:30:03 PM
I think a cite is needed for the bolded text.

Stacey Portz was at the Mirage Bar with a group of colleagues, according to Susan Owen.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SUSAN-OWEN.htm

Check 192.com.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 03, 2021, 08:55:15 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 03, 2021, 07:53:34 AM
Check 192.com.

I don't think it tells us who was friends with whom.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 03, 2021, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 03, 2021, 08:55:15 AM
I don't think it tells us who was friends with whom.
that’s what Facebook is for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 03, 2021, 10:04:57 AM
I appreciate the helpful comments, but the fact remains that posters need to provide cites for the information they post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 03, 2021, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 03, 2021, 10:04:57 AM
I appreciate the helpful comments, but the fact remains that posters need to provide cites for the information they post.
True, and I’m sure that Misty will provide one when she returns to the forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 03, 2021, 05:05:21 PM
I cannot speak for Misty but as far as I know this is the person who is a facebook friend of Pauline M. I’ll try and find the complete reference.

A German musician and IT-technician, who got to know him in 2005 after a gig in a music bar in Lagos, learned that B. also has an uncanny side. The SPIEGEL reached Christian P., 53, via Skype in the small town of Kampot in Cambodia.

I met Christian from time to time, he fixed my car, I helped him with the TV," he says. Sometimes they would drink wine. "He was quite a messie. The house in Praia da Luz was totally untidy and unkempt."

During a visit, he noticed three stacks of foreign travel documents. "There were 30 to 50 passports lying around in plain sight." When asked about this, Christian B. told about thefts in Praia da Luz and the surrounding area. "He told us that he went on tour from time to time, and climbed up facades in the process.

This is consistent with the findings of the investigators. According to this, Christian B. financed his life in Portugal in the mid-2000s not with odd jobs, but with burglaries and thefts. In April 2006, he and an Austrian accomplice were caught red-handed at a gas station when they were siphoning diesel from a truck. A Portuguese court sentenced them to 258 days in prison.

"I visited him in prison at the time," Christian P. recalls. "He complained about the poor prison conditions and the lousy food. Because there was no alcohol in the prison, I was supposed to bring him oranges sprinkled with vodka, but I didn't want that. That made B. angry.

During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry".
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-verdaechtiger-die-akte-christian-b-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000173444515
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on April 04, 2021, 11:29:27 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 03, 2021, 05:05:21 PM
I cannot speak for Misty but as far as I know this is the person who is a facebook friend of Pauline M. I’ll try and find the complete reference.

A German musician and IT-technician, who got to know him in 2005 after a gig in a music bar in Lagos, learned that B. also has an uncanny side. The SPIEGEL reached Christian P., 53, via Skype in the small town of Kampot in Cambodia.

I met Christian from time to time, he fixed my car, I helped him with the TV," he says. Sometimes they would drink wine. "He was quite a messie. The house in Praia da Luz was totally untidy and unkempt."

During a visit, he noticed three stacks of foreign travel documents. "There were 30 to 50 passports lying around in plain sight." When asked about this, Christian B. told about thefts in Praia da Luz and the surrounding area. "He told us that he went on tour from time to time, and climbed up facades in the process.

This is consistent with the findings of the investigators. According to this, Christian B. financed his life in Portugal in the mid-2000s not with odd jobs, but with burglaries and thefts. In April 2006, he and an Austrian accomplice were caught red-handed at a gas station when they were siphoning diesel from a truck. A Portuguese court sentenced them to 258 days in prison.

"I visited him in prison at the time," Christian P. recalls. "He complained about the poor prison conditions and the lousy food. Because there was no alcohol in the prison, I was supposed to bring him oranges sprinkled with vodka, but I didn't want that. That made B. angry.

During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry".
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-verdaechtiger-die-akte-christian-b-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000173444515

Interesting stuff Anthro.

We have to remind ourselves that the McCanns apartment in 2007 whilst they stayed there showed:
 1. There was NO forced entry
2.There was no evidence of a random Burglary-(rooms ransacked  leaving a mess)
3. Nothing was stolen from the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 12:10:29 AM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on April 04, 2021, 11:29:27 PM
Interesting stuff Anthro.

We have to remind ourselves that the McCanns apartment in 2007 whilst they stayed there showed:
 1. There was NO forced entry
2.There was no evidence of a random Burglary-(rooms ransacked  leaving a mess)
3. Nothing was stolen from the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on April 05, 2021, 12:28:39 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 12:10:29 AM



It is irrefutable that the shutters of the type at apartment 5a were easily raised from the outside which would allow an intruder access.

and yet the family claimed the shutters were jimmied so it isn't well known at all. ^*&& No scuff marks, nothing.


A property does not have to be trashed if entered by an intruder

a tidy snooper?  they rummage well known fact!

A little girl was stolen from the apartment

There is NO EVIDENCE a child was stolen from the apartment-

  Freudian slip reveals- reveals you got that wrong there was none!

the truth of the matter that she was treated as if she was nothing

I agree  she was treated as if she was nothing -by her parents- who went jogging ,blogging, travelling around to meet the pope no less- while she was allegedly being attended to' by a gang of Paedophiles.

AND now we re to believe CB tortured  and  Raped her and murdered her.. makes the parents behavior  all the more sickening!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 11:28:28 AM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on April 05, 2021, 12:28:39 AM


It is irrefutable that the shutters of the type at apartment 5a were easily raised from the outside which would allow an intruder access.

and yet the family claimed the shutters were jimmied so it isn't well known at all. ^*&& No scuff marks, nothing.


A property does not have to be trashed if entered by an intruder

a tidy snooper?  they rummage well known fact!

A little girl was stolen from the apartment

There is NO EVIDENCE a child was stolen from the apartment-

  Freudian slip reveals- reveals you got that wrong there was none!

the truth of the matter that she was treated as if she was nothing

I agree  she was treated as if she was nothing -by her parents- who went jogging ,blogging, travelling around to meet the pope no less- while she was allegedly being attended to' by a gang of Paedophiles.

AND now we re to believe CB tortured  and  Raped her and murdered her.. makes the parents behavior  all the more sickening!!

That tiresomely outdated diatribe really does not merit a response.  Except to say if you cared to keep up with current events you may note that investigators are taking a very close interest in a former resident of Luz to the extent that he has been named as a prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.

One of Brueckner's skills was surreptitiously entering properties to lift whatever he could of value.  He made a pretty good living at it apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 05, 2021, 11:59:10 AM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on April 05, 2021, 12:28:39 AM


It is irrefutable that the shutters of the type at apartment 5a were easily raised from the outside which would allow an intruder access.

and yet the family claimed the shutters were jimmied so it isn't well known at all. ^*&& No scuff marks, nothing.


A property does not have to be trashed if entered by an intruder

a tidy snooper?  they rummage well known fact!

A little girl was stolen from the apartment

There is NO EVIDENCE a child was stolen from the apartment-

  Freudian slip reveals- reveals you got that wrong there was none!

the truth of the matter that she was treated as if she was nothing

I agree  she was treated as if she was nothing -by her parents- who went jogging ,blogging, travelling around to meet the pope no less- while she was allegedly being attended to' by a gang of Paedophiles.

AND now we re to believe CB tortured  and  Raped her and murdered her.. makes the parents behavior  all the more sickening!!
Yes it’s true.  The McCanns literally treated Madeleine as nothing.  They couldn’t have cared less about her.  Were delighted when she disappeared in fact.  The last 14 years of fund raising, the publishing of the book, the hiring of private detectives,, the crimewatch appeals, the appeal to the UK government to re-open the case, Operation Grange, the involvement of the German police in investigating a German paedo, all of it an elaborate pretense to mask their involvement in and delight at Madeleine being out of their lives for good.  And this is actually what some people believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 05, 2021, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 05, 2021, 11:59:10 AM
Yes it’s true.  The McCanns literally treated Madeleine as nothing.  They couldn’t have cared less about her.  Were delighted when she disappeared in fact.  The last 14 years of fund raising, the publishing of the book, the hiring of private detectives,, the crimewatch appeals, the appeal to the UK government to re-open the case, Operation Grange, the involvement of the German police in investigating a German paedo, all of it an elaborate pretense to mask their involvement in and delight at Madeleine being out of their lives for good.  And this is actually what some people believe.

You make it sound as if they did all that themselves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 05, 2021, 12:12:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 05, 2021, 11:59:10 AM
Yes it’s true.  The McCanns literally treated Madeleine as nothing.  They couldn’t have cared less about her.  Were delighted when she disappeared in fact.  The last 14 years of fund raising, the publishing of the book, the hiring of private detectives,, the crimewatch appeals, the appeal to the UK government to re-open the case, Operation Grange, the involvement of the German police in investigating a German paedo, all of it an elaborate pretense to mask their involvement in and delight at Madeleine being out of their lives for good.  And this is actually what some people believe.

I don't believe that some people do believe this.  Anything in other words to be thoroughly unpleasant.  To somehow compensate for their own inexplicable disasters.  Inexplicable at least to them.  I understood and forgave mine a very long time ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 05, 2021, 12:40:35 PM
Lady day ( 1st quarter of the year ) has come and gone, won't be long now for Wolters to question his suspect as promised, the legend is writ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 05, 2021, 12:54:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 05, 2021, 12:40:35 PM
Lady day ( 1st quarter of the year ) has come and gone, won't be long now for Wolters to question his suspect as promised, the legend is writ.

This was always going to depend on what evidence Wolters has.  It was nearly fourteen years ago so a lot could have been lost.  But then neither does Wolters have to be in any hurry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 05, 2021, 01:24:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 05, 2021, 12:54:06 PM
This was always going to depend on what evidence Wolters has.  It was nearly fourteen years ago so a lot could have been lost.  But then neither does Wolters have to be in any hurry.

Nothing overwhelmingly credible it would appear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 05, 2021, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 05, 2021, 12:11:51 PM
You make it sound as if they did all that themselves.
Do you think this case would have continued to be as high profile if the McCanns had just decided she was dead and went back to life as usual from September 2007? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 05, 2021, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 05, 2021, 01:27:23 PM
Do you think this case would have continued to be as high profile if the McCanns had just decided she was dead and went back to life as usual from September 2007?

Yes it would.  Just a different set of arguments.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 05, 2021, 12:54:06 PM
This was always going to depend on what evidence Wolters has.  It was nearly fourteen years ago so a lot could have been lost.  But then neither does Wolters have to be in any hurry.

Or perhaps the further he has dug into it perhaps the deeper the evidence turned up.  In my opinion the German investigation may well prove to be far, far more all encompassing than anyone could dream of and of which Madeleine's case might well be only a small part.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 05, 2021, 01:24:39 PM
Nothing overwhelmingly credible it would appear.

I do so enjoy the obvious panic among the ranks of the truth seekers as chip by chip the truth is revealed unto them😃
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 05, 2021, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
I do so enjoy the obvious panic among the ranks of the truth seekers as chip by chip the truth is revealed unto them😃

There's a long way to go before 'the truth' is arrived at imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 05, 2021, 12:11:51 PM
You make it sound as if they did all that themselves.

To a degree Madeleine's parents did do all that themselves insofar as it would not have happened without them and that is fact.

It is only as a result of the McCann's dedication and determination to find out what happened to Madeleine that the German police are investigating Brueckner, a paedophile resident of Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance as a suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.

Goncalo Amaral has confirmed that he came under Policia Judiciaria radar in 2007 but was cleared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 02:11:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 05, 2021, 01:53:21 PM
There's a long way to go before 'the truth' is arrived at imo.

Absolutely.

Particularly when it has been obscured and buried for fourteen years by a motley crew promoting the 'theories' of an incompetent if not worse.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on April 05, 2021, 03:24:00 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
I do so enjoy the obvious panic among the ranks of the truth seekers as chip by chip the truth is revealed unto them😃

So you do seem to have an agenda then and admit you enjoy it as well. imo

In other posts you imply imo no one moves on or you call  what happened in 2007 out dated.

But what has actually moved on B from 2007.

No one knows what happened - where are we now apart frm being told the germans have concrete evidence.

All it is ATMIT is words interviews speculation - in other words nothing.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 05, 2021, 03:34:15 PM
I don't understand this suggestion of panic.
People have opposing views and one day one side or the other may be proved right.
What is there to panic about ?

Total rubbish - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: kizzy on April 05, 2021, 03:24:00 PM
So you do seem to have an agenda then and admit you enjoy it as well. imo

In other posts you imply imo no one moves on or you call  what happened in 2007 out dated.

But what has actually moved on B from 2007.

No one knows what happened - where are we now apart frm being told the germans have concrete evidence.

All it is ATMIT is words interviews speculation - in other words nothing.

Not true that "no-one knows".

Someone most certainly does.

And the German investigators are doing the best they can in following the evidence which might very well lead to him ~ to her ~ or maybe even to them and I think they have a fair idea of exactly what is going on with that 👌
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 04:09:44 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 05, 2021, 03:34:15 PM
I don't understand this suggestion of panic.
People have opposing views and one day one side or the other may be proved right.
What is there to panic about ?

Total rubbish - IMO

Observation my dear Jassie is all that is required.  Such as the mere suggestion eliciting responses such as yours 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 05, 2021, 04:13:11 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 04:09:44 PM
Observation my dear Jassie is all that is required.  Such as the mere suggestion eliciting responses such as yours
Well It's hard to ignore stupidity when I see it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 05, 2021, 04:23:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 05, 2021, 04:13:11 PM
Well It's hard to ignore stupidity when I see it.
And yet you’re successfully ignoring all my posts.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 05, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 05, 2021, 03:34:15 PM
I don't understand this suggestion of panic.
People have opposing views and one day one side or the other may be proved right.
What is there to panic about ?

Total rubbish - IMO
Actually, one side will be proved right and the other side will scream conspiracy and “unjust!” and set up a campaign to get the paedo/rapist/murderer released. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 05, 2021, 06:12:38 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 05, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
I do so enjoy the obvious panic among the ranks of the truth seekers as chip by chip the truth is revealed unto them😃

Nothing has been revealed other than some pervert living in PDL received a phone call.....in PDL.

What does that prove exactly?

Does it prove CB was involved?  No it doesn't. Nor does it prove Maddie was even abducted in the first place.

That evidence, which we're supposed to believe the police definitely have, remains undisclosed.

Hitchens Razor.

That which can be claimed without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 05, 2021, 06:26:09 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 05, 2021, 06:12:38 PM
Nothing has been revealed other than some pervert living in PDL received a phone call.....in PDL.

What does that prove exactly?

Does it prove CB was involved?  No it doesn't. Nor does it prove Maddie was even abducted in the first place.

That evidence, which we're supposed to believe the police definitely have, remains undisclosed.

Hitchens Razor.

That which can be claimed without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
Can we similarly apply Hitchens Razor to those who claim the McCanns murdered Madeleine, hid her body and transported it in the hire car 23 days later?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 05, 2021, 06:28:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 05, 2021, 06:26:09 PM
Can we similarly apply Hitchens Razor to those who claim the McCanns murdered Madeleine, hid her body and transported it in the hire car 23 days later?

You can do whatever you like.

There is no we.

Leave me out of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 05, 2021, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 05, 2021, 06:28:33 PM
You can do whatever you like.

There is no we.

Leave me out of it.
How aggressive, clearly I touched a nerve.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 05, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 05, 2021, 07:00:47 PM
How aggressive, clearly I touched a nerve.

No, it's just that I don't like you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 05, 2021, 09:01:48 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 05, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
No, it's just that I don't like you.
Gutted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 06, 2021, 12:49:51 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 05, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
No, it's just that I don't like you.
Happy Easter. https://youtu.be/LCpzvGf9fKw
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 06, 2021, 08:03:43 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on April 06, 2021, 12:49:51 AM
Happy Easter. https://youtu.be/LCpzvGf9fKw

Thank you Rob.  xx
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 05, 2021, 06:26:09 PM
Can we similarly apply Hitchens Razor to those who claim the McCanns murdered Madeleine, hid her body and transported it in the hire car 23 days later?

Did someone claim the McCanns murdered Madeleine, or is that just more hyperbole?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 06, 2021, 10:10:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 09:59:17 AM
Did someone claim the McCanns murdered Madeleine, or is that just more hyperbole?

Hyperbole.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 06, 2021, 10:54:19 AM

Do we really have to be quite so unpleasant to each other?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 06, 2021, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 09:59:17 AM
Did someone claim the McCanns murdered Madeleine, or is that just more hyperbole?
It's what Spam appears to believe, or maybe it's just pretense on his part, it's hard to tell when one has a reputation as a WUM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 06, 2021, 11:28:02 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 06, 2021, 10:10:03 AM
Hyperbole.
Not really.  Pathfinder also appears to be of the view that Madeleine was murdered, or at least killed in the presence of at least one of the McCanns and one of their friends.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 06, 2021, 11:28:02 AM
Not really.  Pathfinder also appears to be of the view that Madeleine was murdered, or at least killed in the presence of at least one of the McCanns and one of their friends.

Do you have cites showing these murder accusations by Pathfinder and Wonderfulspam?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 06, 2021, 12:49:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
Do you have cites showing these murder accusations by Pathfinder and Wonderfulspam?
Do you think such accusations would have been allowed to stay on the forum?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 06, 2021, 12:53:39 PM
On Pathfinder's Theory thread he or she refers to a "probable murder investigation" on page one of the thread.  As we all know he believes Gerry was Smithman what could he possibly be alluding to, do you think?

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Re: A Thread To Discuss Pathfinder's theory in detail
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2014, 06:10:37 PM »
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It's not wise to elaborate on the internet in a probable murder investigation. It's up to the yard and the PJ to find Madeleine and then arrest and charge the ones responsible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 06, 2021, 12:53:39 PM
On Pathfinder's Theory thread he or she refers to a "probable murder investigation" on page one of the thread.  As we all know he believes Gerry was Smithman what could he possibly be alluding to, do you think?

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It's not wise to elaborate on the internet in a probable murder investigation. It's up to the yard and the PJ to find Madeleine and then arrest and charge the ones responsible.

I think you're putting words into other's mouths as I see nothing which can be interpreted as accusing the McCanns of murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 06, 2021, 01:35:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 06, 2021, 12:49:59 PM
Do you think such accusations would have been allowed to stay on the forum?

Not if I was here, but sometimes I amn't.  But then John doesn't like them either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 06, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
I think you're putting words into other's mouths as I see nothing which can be interpreted as accusing the McCanns of murder.
Of course you can't, despite the fact that Pathfinder believes the McCanns covered up the death of their child, in a crime which he or she refers to as a "probable murder investigation". 

In my opinion there are people on this forum who believe Madeleine did not die accidentally and that her parents covered up her death.   I don't know why my opinion should be so contentious, perhaps you can explain? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 06, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Of course you can't, despite the fact that Pathfinder believes the McCanns covered up the death of their child, in a crime which he or she refers to as a "probable murder investigation". 

In my opinion there are people on this forum who believe Madeleine did not die accidentally and that her parents covered up her death.   I don't know why my opinion should be so contentious, perhaps you can explain?

Please make sure in future that you don't post your opinions as if they are facts. When you post about "those who claim the McCanns murdered Madeleine" you are suggesting that people actually made that claim, not that they appeared, in your opinion, to make it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 06, 2021, 02:44:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
Please make sure in future that you don't post your opinions as if they are facts. When you post about "those who claim the McCanns murdered Madeleine" you are suggesting that people actually made that claim, not that they appeared, in your opinion, to make it.
It was a rhetorical question that made no specific accusations about anyone on this forum.  You are in my opinion ripping the arse out of this because you have nothing else to post about. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on April 06, 2021, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 09:59:17 AM
Did someone claim the McCanns murdered Madeleine, or is that just more hyperbole?

No and to be honest such a suggestion is preposterous imho. That said however, some people are persuaded by Gonçalo Amaral's theory that Madeleine died as a consequence of an accident in 5a. They are entitled to that opinion but in my view there is little to support it.

I am nonetheless persuaded to some extent by Angelo's theory that she wandered out of 5a and met with either an accident or was lifted outside. The scenting dogs brought in a matter of hours after she disappeared would appear to support that particular hypothesis.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 06, 2021, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: John on April 06, 2021, 02:58:42 PM
No and to be honest such a suggestion is preposterous imho. That said however, some people are persuaded by Gonçalo Amaral's theory that Madeleine died as a consequence of an accident in 5a. They are entitled to that opinion but in my view there is little to support it.

I am nonetheless persuaded to some extent by Angelo's theory that she wandered out of 5a and met with either an accident or was lifted outside. The scenting dogs brought in a matter of hours after she disappeared would appear to support that particular hypothesis.
The suggestion there are individuals that believe Madeleine might have been murdered by her parents is not preposterous IMO.  The very fact that some of the sceptical persuasion are so intent on dragging up the Gaspar Statement whenever possible surely is evidence of this, is it not?   How else could the statement be in any way relevant to the case if it was not being suggested (by those who like to bring up the GS) that Madeleine died at the hands of some very unsavoury goings on, aided and abetted by at least one of her parents?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 04:16:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 06, 2021, 03:13:48 PM
The suggestion there are individuals that believe Madeleine might have been murdered by her parents is not preposterous IMO.  The very fact that some of the sceptical persuasion are so intent on dragging up the Gaspar Statement whenever possible surely is evidence of this, is it not?   How else could the statement be in any way relevant to the case if it was not being suggested (by those who like to bring up the GS) that Madeleine died at the hands of some very unsavoury goings on, aided and abetted by at least one of her parents?

I have probably mentioned (not 'dragged up') the Gasper statements in the past, but you are wrong in your assumption that it is evidence that I'm suggesting a murder took place.

I find the Gasper statements interesting for other reasons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 06, 2021, 04:36:48 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 04:16:38 PM
I have probably mentioned (not 'dragged up') the Gasper statements in the past, but you are wrong in your assumption that it is evidence that I'm suggesting a murder took place.

I find the Gasper statements interesting for other reasons.
Why am I wrong in my assumption about the Gaspar statements then?  What other relevance does it have to the case apart from its obvious implication of paedophilia amongst the Tapas group and how that would potentially explain Madeleine's disappearance?  Just because YOU claim not to think it supports a murder taking place doesn't mean others agree with your views - you don't speak for ALL sceptics do you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 04:54:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 06, 2021, 04:36:48 PM
Why am I wrong in my assumption about the Gaspar statements then?  What other relevance does it have to the case apart from its obvious implication of paedophilia amongst the Tapas group and how that would potentially explain Madeleine's disappearance?  Just because YOU claim not to think it supports a murder taking place doesn't mean others agree with your views - you don't speak for ALL sceptics do you?

It's you who seem to think you know what ALL sceptics, especially those who refer to the Gasper statements, are thinking. You don't, and it's time you accepted that and stopped posting your misbegotten opinions as facts. Please ensure in future that you have cites before you make accusations. This discussion is now closed as it's off topic, so any other posts on the subject will be deleted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 06, 2021, 05:20:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 04:16:38 PM
I have probably mentioned (not 'dragged up') the Gasper statements in the past, but you are wrong in your assumption that it is evidence that I'm suggesting a murder took place.

I find the Gasper statements interesting for other reasons.

The Gaspar statement married with the Martin statement and CATS have been used for many years to smear named individuals with imputations of paedophilia.
Now that we have a real paedophile added into the equation in the form of Brueckner it apparently makes no odds to those who muse over an unsupported statement posted on the internet by Levy because it is considered 'interesting'.

The word I would use for that is 'revealing'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 06, 2021, 05:20:35 PM
The Gaspar statement married with the Martin statement and CATS have been used for many years to smear named individuals with imputations of paedophilia.
Now that we have a real paedophile added into the equation in the form of Brueckner it apparently makes no odds to those who muse over an unsupported statement posted on the internet by Levy because it is considered 'interesting'.

The word I would use for that is 'revealing'.

I don't know anything about "an unsupported statement posted on the internet by Levy". I was referring to  statements which were sent to the PJ in October 2007, despite having been given to the UK police in May 2007.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

That's one of the things about the statements which make them interesting, by the way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 06, 2021, 08:49:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 08:38:26 PM
I don't know anything about "an unsupported statement posted on the internet by Levy". I was referring to  statements which were sent to the PJ in October 2007, despite having been given to the UK police in May 2007.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

That's one of the things about the statements which make them interesting, by the way.

Particularly because The Doctors Gaspar didn't agree with each other.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 06, 2021, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 08:38:26 PM
I don't know anything about "an unsupported statement posted on the internet by Levy". I was referring to  statements which were sent to the PJ in October 2007, despite having been given to the UK police in May 2007.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

That's one of the things about the statements which make them interesting, by the way.

“ This discussion is now closed as it's off topic, so any other posts on the subject will be deleted.”. but only if they’re by VS obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 09:10:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 06, 2021, 08:57:54 PM
“ This discussion is now closed as it's off topic, so any other posts on the subject will be deleted.”. but only if they’re by VS obviously.

It's a different discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 06, 2021, 09:44:01 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 08:38:26 PM
I don't know anything about "an unsupported statement posted on the internet by Levy". I was referring to  statements which were sent to the PJ in October 2007, despite having been given to the UK police in May 2007.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

That's one of the things about the statements which make them interesting, by the way.

That is not the original statement given to an English police officer in English is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 06, 2021, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 06, 2021, 09:10:19 PM
It's a different discussion.
And how does this “new” discussion relate to the German suspect which is the thread subject?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 06, 2021, 11:20:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 06, 2021, 10:17:14 PM
And how does this “new” discussion relate to the German suspect which is the thread subject?

It doesn't.

We all go Off Topic on occasions, including me.  Sometimes people get cross about this, especially if they are losing the argument.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 06, 2021, 11:46:10 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 03, 2021, 05:05:21 PM
I cannot speak for Misty but as far as I know this is the person who is a facebook friend of Pauline M. I’ll try and find the complete reference.

A German musician and IT-technician, who got to know him in 2005 after a gig in a music bar in Lagos, learned that B. also has an uncanny side. The SPIEGEL reached Christian P., 53, via Skype in the small town of Kampot in Cambodia.

I met Christian from time to time, he fixed my car, I helped him with the TV," he says. Sometimes they would drink wine. "He was quite a messie. The house in Praia da Luz was totally untidy and unkempt."

During a visit, he noticed three stacks of foreign travel documents. "There were 30 to 50 passports lying around in plain sight." When asked about this, Christian B. told about thefts in Praia da Luz and the surrounding area. "He told us that he went on tour from time to time, and climbed up facades in the process.

This is consistent with the findings of the investigators. According to this, Christian B. financed his life in Portugal in the mid-2000s not with odd jobs, but with burglaries and thefts. In April 2006, he and an Austrian accomplice were caught red-handed at a gas station when they were siphoning diesel from a truck. A Portuguese court sentenced them to 258 days in prison.

"I visited him in prison at the time," Christian P. recalls. "He complained about the poor prison conditions and the lousy food. Because there was no alcohol in the prison, I was supposed to bring him oranges sprinkled with vodka, but I didn't want that. That made B. angry.

During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry".
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-madeleine-mccann-verdaechtiger-die-akte-christian-b-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000173444515

Thanks, Anthro. That's the person to whom I was referring but obviously cannot provide a link to his Facebook page on the forum and neither would I want to as he has no doubt already spoken to the German police.
It's unclear during what period nanny Pauline M and Christian P became acquainted and whether or not she also knew Brueckner. However, if Christian B knew Pauline M quite well then he may have had a perfectly legitimate reason to be near the Tapas Bar on 3rd May or at any time during the week. We also don't know where Pauline M was on the night of 3rd May as she doesn't appear to have been asked when she made her statement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 07, 2021, 01:22:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 06, 2021, 09:44:01 PM
That is not the original statement given to an English police officer in English is it?

No, the PJ had them translated, obviously.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 07, 2021, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: misty on April 06, 2021, 11:46:10 PM
Thanks, Anthro. That's the person to whom I was referring but obviously cannot provide a link to his Facebook page on the forum and neither would I want to as he has no doubt already spoken to the German police.
It's unclear during what period nanny Pauline M and Christian P became acquainted and whether or not she also knew Brueckner. However, if Christian B knew Pauline M quite well then he may have had a perfectly legitimate reason to be near the Tapas Bar on 3rd May or at any time during the week. We also don't know where Pauline M was on the night of 3rd May as she doesn't appear to have been asked when she made her statement.

Were all the nannies asked for their whereabouts on the night of 3rd May or did some of them just volunteer the information?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 07, 2021, 12:52:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 07, 2021, 01:22:19 AM
No, the PJ had them translated, obviously.
No, the internet version published by LEVY was provided by INES.  No-one not in the loop - you included - has seen the English original.

Meanwhile back at the current investigation far removed from the venal prejudices and distractions of the past things are underway concerning the prime suspect - Brueckner.

I think the absolute silence from all concerned is speaking volumes.  And just as it is said "all roads lead to Rome" I think at the moment all investigative opportunities are concentrated firmly in the hands of the German prosecutors.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 07, 2021, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 07, 2021, 12:52:12 PM
No, the internet version published by LEVY was provided by INES.  No-one not in the loop - you included - has seen the English original.

Meanwhile back at the current investigation far removed from the venal prejudices and distractions of the past things are underway concerning the prime suspect - Brueckner.

I think the absolute silence from all concerned is speaking volumes.  And just as it is said "all roads lead to Rome" I think at the moment all investigative opportunities are concentrated firmly in the hands of the German prosecutors.

It's clear that the PJ had the original English version of the statements, sent to Ricardo Paiva by Mike Marshall;

"As requested, appended are the statements of Arul and Katherina Gaspar."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

Obviously they needed translating into Portuguese and Carla Romana Fidalgo Esteves provided the translation. She worked for the PJ Translation Section.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A11_5/apenso5_vol_11_p2445.jpg

Innes translated the Portuguese documents back into English.

Why Levy is significant in your opinion escapes me.

Whatever is happening in the present investigations is unclear. Nothing has been said by any of the police forces associated with the investigations for quite some time. The Germans may have a prime suspect, but they don't seem to be moving towards arresting him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 07, 2021, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 07, 2021, 02:07:03 PM
It's clear that the PJ had the original English version of the statements, sent to Ricardo Paiva by Mike Marshall;

"As requested, appended are the statements of Arul and Katherina Gaspar."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

Obviously they needed translating into Portuguese and Carla Romana Fidalgo Esteves provided the translation. She worked for the PJ Translation Section.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A11_5/apenso5_vol_11_p2445.jpg

Innes translated the Portuguese documents back into English.

Why Levy is significant in your opinion escapes me.

Whatever is happening in the present investigations is unclear. Nothing has been said by any of the police forces associated with the investigations for quite some time. The Germans may have a prime suspect, but they don't seem to be moving towards arresting him.

The Germans don't have to arrest him.  He's locked up for Rape.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 07, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
It's a funny old investigation when police don't bother to question their prime suspect - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 07, 2021, 02:31:33 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 07, 2021, 02:14:01 PM
The Germans don't have to arrest him.  He's locked up for Rape.

Not even to question him ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 07, 2021, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 07, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
It's a funny old investigation when police don't bother to question their prime suspect - IMO

No need, concrete evidence, the legend is writ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 07, 2021, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 07, 2021, 02:32:14 PM
No need, concrete evidence, the legend is writ.
Are you contractually obliged to end every post with your favourite catchphrase?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 07, 2021, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 07, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
It's a funny old investigation when police don't bother to question their prime suspect - IMO

Rest your soul in patience.  Either something will happen or it won't.  And whatever happens or not, it will result in a jolly good Argie Bargie, wherein we can all insult each other wholesale.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 07, 2021, 02:54:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 07, 2021, 02:37:05 PM
Rest your soul in patience.  Either something will happen or it won't.  And whatever happens or not, it will result in a jolly good Argie Bargie, wherein we can all insult each other wholesale.

Oh happy day's, bring it on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 07, 2021, 03:03:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 07, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
It's a funny old investigation when police don't bother to question their prime suspect - IMO

No doubt they are getting on very well without him ... and he's going nowhere any time soon 😉
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 07, 2021, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 07, 2021, 02:35:25 PM
Are you contractually obliged to end every post with your favourite catchphrase?

     It fills a space 🤣
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 07, 2021, 03:09:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 07, 2021, 03:05:54 PM
     It fills a space 🤣

Considering VS' output, I'm surprised that there's any space left.  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 07, 2021, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 07, 2021, 03:09:34 PM
Considering VS' output, I'm surprised that there's any space left.  8(0(*
Thanks for your kind words.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 07, 2021, 03:25:51 PM


Christian Brueckner is completely innocent & there's no credible evidence against him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on April 07, 2021, 03:41:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 07, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
It's a funny old investigation when police don't bother to question their prime suspect - IMO

As has been repeated many times, the Germans are waiting on some rat coming forward to claim his cheese.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on April 07, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 07, 2021, 03:25:51 PM

Christian Brueckner is completely innocent & there's no credible evidence against him.

Ah but innocent of what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 07, 2021, 03:52:01 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 07, 2021, 03:25:51 PM

Christian Brueckner is completely innocent & there's no credible evidence against him.
I agree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 07, 2021, 03:55:24 PM
Quote from: John on April 07, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
Ah but innocent of what?

Involvement of half inching Madeleine out of 5a.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 07, 2021, 04:24:04 PM
Quote from: John on April 07, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
Ah but innocent of what?

whatever it is it won't be a lot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 07, 2021, 04:30:18 PM
There really is little point in pronouncing definitively on the man's guilt or innocence without full access to all the evidence, it just makes one look foolish.  CB very well could have committed the crime, but then again maybe he didn't.  There's reason to believe the Germans have something on him but then again if it was anything really damning he would have surely been charged.   Why can't people simply wait and see what transpires rather than asserting that they know he did or didn't do it? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 07, 2021, 05:00:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 07, 2021, 04:30:18 PM
There really is little point in pronouncing definitively on the man's guilt or innocence without full access to all the evidence, it just makes one look foolish.  CB very well could have committed the crime, but then again maybe he didn't.  There's reason to believe the Germans have something on him but then again if it was anything really damning he would have surely been charged.   Why can't people simply wait and see what transpires rather than asserting that they know he did or didn't do it?

Occasionally you do post something sensible, this is one of them, by and large.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 07, 2021, 05:14:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 07, 2021, 04:30:18 PM
There really is little point in pronouncing definitively on the man's guilt or innocence without full access to all the evidence, it just makes one look foolish.  CB very well could have committed the crime, but then again maybe he didn't.  There's reason to believe the Germans have something on him but then again if it was anything really damning he would have surely been charged.   Why can't people simply wait and see what transpires rather than asserting that they know he did or didn't do it?

I disagree completely.

I think all cases should be judged with a total ignorance to factual evidence & instead be judged entirely on vague assumptions & conclusions formed by ones own prejudices, implicit bias & hatred for those who disagree with them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 07, 2021, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 07, 2021, 05:14:59 PM
I disagree completely.

I think all cases should be judged with a total ignorance to factual evidence & instead be judged entirely on vague assumptions & conclusions formed by ones own prejudices, implicit bias & hatred for those who disagree with them.
I agree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 10, 2021, 01:21:55 AM
Just popped in to see if they’d arrested Brueckner yet ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 10, 2021, 06:23:47 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on April 10, 2021, 01:21:55 AM
Just popped in to see if they’d arrested Brueckner yet ?
Has hell frozen over yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 10, 2021, 08:51:53 AM
So can we take it that the lack of an arrest after the passing of a certain amount of time indicates that the suspect was not involved? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 10, 2021, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 07, 2021, 04:30:18 PM
There really is little point in pronouncing definitively on the man's guilt or innocence without full access to all the evidence, it just makes one look foolish.  CB very well could have committed the crime, but then again maybe he didn't.  There's reason to believe the Germans have something on him but then again if it was anything really damning he would have surely been charged.   Why can't people simply wait and see what transpires rather than asserting that they know he did or didn't do it?

The appeal, now almost a year old, has been removed from the MET's website.  As far as we know CB has not even been interviewed despite now being a stones throw from HCW's office.  The MET only ever identified CB as a suspect, retaining an open mind about his involvement:

Detective Chief Inspector Mark Cranwell, who leads Operation Grange, said:

“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 10, 2021, 11:18:04 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on April 10, 2021, 10:48:49 AM
The appeal, now almost a year old, has been removed from the MET's website.  As far as we know CB has not even been interviewed despite now being a stones throw from HCW's office.  The MET only ever identified CB as a suspect, retaining an open mind about his involvement:

Detective Chief Inspector Mark Cranwell, who leads Operation Grange, said:

“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.
Which is good to know isn't it?  Some people believe the Met don't have an open mind at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 10, 2021, 12:37:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 07, 2021, 04:30:18 PM
There really is little point in pronouncing definitively on the man's guilt or innocence without full access to all the evidence, it just makes one look foolish.  CB very well could have committed the crime, but then again maybe he didn't.  There's reason to believe the Germans have something on him but then again if it was anything really damning he would have surely been charged.   Why can't people simply wait and see what transpires rather than asserting that they know he did or didn't do it?

Words of wisdom.   The most thoughtful words that I have read in a long time.   Well done VS and Anthro for having the open mind and true sense of Justice behind them.   

And bravery to write them.  I was slated when I wrote similar, but hopefully people will wake up and listen to your sound thinking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 10, 2021, 12:55:56 PM
Quote from: sadie on April 10, 2021, 12:37:13 PM
Words of wisdom.   The most thoughtful words that I have read in a long time.   Well done VS and Anthro for having the open mind and true sense of Justice behind them.   

And bravery to write th em.  I was slated when I wrote similar, but hopefully people will wake up and listen to your sound thinking.
I'm not sure who you think slated you...
For me there are two points the Germans have addressed.
AFAIAC they have near enough proof MMwas murdered but not enough evidence to prove who did it

Wolters has given 4 clues that the evidence is photographic.. Perhaps others just can't see it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 10, 2021, 01:59:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 10, 2021, 12:55:56 PM
I'm not sure who you think slated you...
For me there are two points the Germans have addressed.
AFAIAC they have near enough proof MMwas murdered but not enough evidence to prove who did it

Wolters has given 4 clues that the evidence is photographic.. Perhaps others just can't see it

Sadie has often been slated and her comments deleted just for stating an opinion.  There is no doubt about that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on April 10, 2021, 02:04:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 07, 2021, 04:30:18 PM
There really is little point in pronouncing definitively on the man's guilt or innocence without full access to all the evidence, it just makes one look foolish.  CB very well could have committed the crime, but then again maybe he didn't.  There's reason to believe the Germans have something on him but then again if it was anything really damning he would have surely been charged.   Why can't people simply wait and see what transpires rather than asserting that they know he did or didn't do it?

Good post, however, the main issue for me is his refusal to brief Madeleine's parents. I think that in itself is so very cruel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on April 10, 2021, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 10, 2021, 12:55:56 PM
I'm not sure who you think slated you...
For me there are two points the Germans have addressed.
AFAIAC they have near enough proof MMwas murdered but not enough evidence to prove who did it

Wolters has given 4 clues that the evidence is photographic.. Perhaps others just can't see it


AFAIAC they have near enough proof MMwas murdered but not enough evidence to prove who did it

So in that case it seems it could be anyone.

Ihave always thought that wolt used Maddie as a high profile case with maximum publicity - but more interested in  other crimes. an there you go.



According to BILD information, German investigators want to travel to Portugal in the spring to exchange ideas with colleagues. However, it should primarily be about investigations into other crimes in which B. could be involved and which came into focus during the Maddie investigation.

It would be the second conference of its kind. A first meeting last spring had not brought the hoped-for breakthrough. At that time, investigators from Germany (Federal Criminal Police Office), England (Scotland Yard) and Portugal (Policia Judiciaria) took part.

Wh

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 10, 2021, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: kizzy on April 10, 2021, 02:12:48 PM

AFAIAC they have near enough proof MMwas murdered but not enough evidence to prove who did it

So in that case it seems it could be anyone.

Ihave always thought that wolt used Maddie as a high profile case with maximum publicity - but more interested in  other crimes. an there you go.



According to BILD information, German investigators want to travel to Portugal in the spring to exchange ideas with colleagues. However, it should primarily be about investigations into other crimes in which B. could be involved and which came into focus during the Maddie investigation.

It would be the second conference of its kind. A first meeting last spring had not brought the hoped-for breakthrough. At that time, investigators from Germany (Federal Criminal Police Office), England (Scotland Yard) and Portugal (Policia Judiciaria) took part.

Wh

I dont want to keep repeating it ...but murdered by a paedophile. Evidence which obviously rules out the parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 10, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
Quote from: John on April 10, 2021, 02:04:49 PM
Good post, however, the main issue for me is his refusal to brief Madeleine's parents. I think that in itself is so very cruel.

they may well have told the McCanns more than we know. Holding back information has nothing to do with cruelty but to bringing a successful prosecution....solving the case...which is surely what we all like to see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on April 10, 2021, 02:30:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 10, 2021, 02:20:21 PM
I dont want to keep repeating it ...but murdered by a paedophile. Evidence which obviously rules out the parents.

You didn't say paedophile did you - same as I didn't mention the so called parents.

But there again, you don't know what he has and hasn't got. Only what you assume he has.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 10, 2021, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: kizzy on April 10, 2021, 02:30:34 PM
You didn't say paedophile did you - same as I didn't mention the so called parents.

But there again, you don't know what he has and hasn't got. Only what you assume he has.

Im not assuming anything. Im drawing  a conclusion from the evidence we have...Wolters statements. Ive repeated murdered by  a paedophile several times. Wolters has given some indications taht this is the evidence he has. Again as Ive said before...similar to Rui pedro...photographic evidence...abducted in portugal and never found
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 10, 2021, 02:58:31 PM
Evidence can be true or false. Only when tested  in court will we find out which it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 10, 2021, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 10, 2021, 02:58:31 PM
Evidence can be true or false. Only when tested  in court will we find out which it is.

Don't agree with that at all. Depends what the evidence is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 10, 2021, 03:09:53 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 10, 2021, 02:58:31 PM
Evidence can be true or false. Only when tested  in court will we find out which it is.

But even that won't do for some.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 10, 2021, 10:51:47 PM
Quote from: sadie on April 10, 2021, 12:37:13 PM
Words of wisdom.   The most thoughtful words that I have read in a long time.   Well done VS and Anthro for having the open mind and true sense of Justice behind them.   

And bravery to write them.  I was slated when I wrote similar, but hopefully people will wake up and listen to your sound thinking.
Hi Sadie, from what I have gathered recently, I find your idea that Madeleine was perhaps taken (briefly) to the Ocean Club staff quarters, very credible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 11, 2021, 08:48:45 AM
Its running at full speed, despite this he needs to appear on a docu for help, ergo he's stuck.

A Danish-made documentary on Brueckner will screen in the suspect’s native Germany on April 28.

Mr Wolters added: “I did a long interview. Of course, we always hope for new leads. In this respect, the programme may well help to clear up the case.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-german-probe-still-23891137

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 11, 2021, 08:50:31 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 10, 2021, 12:55:56 PM
I'm not sure who you think slated you...
For me there are two points the Germans have addressed.
AFAIAC they have near enough proof MMwas murdered but not enough evidence to prove who did it

Wolters has given 4 clues that the evidence is photographic.. Perhaps others just can't see it


OG haven't nor have the parents, its in your mind, who apart from the two mentioned would identify the body?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 11, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 11, 2021, 08:48:45 AM
Its running at full speed, despite this he needs to appear on a docu for help, ergo he's stuck.

A Danish-made documentary on Brueckner will screen in the suspect’s native Germany on April 28.

Mr Wolters added: “I did a long interview. Of course, we always hope for new leads. In this respect, the programme may well help to clear up the case.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-german-probe-still-23891137
You’d think if they really had nothing that by now the Germans would have quietly backed out of this investigation instead of continuing to make positive statements like this.  HCW is viewed by some on here as an incompetent maverick so if he is why is he still being allowed to make these declarations and tv appearances by his bosses?  Is he lying to them too?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 09:22:21 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 11, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
You’d think if they really had nothing that by now the Germans would have quietly backed out of this investigation instead of continuing to make positive statements like this.  HCW is viewed by some on here as an incompetent maverick so if he is why is he still being allowed to make these declarations and tv appearances by his bosses?  Is he lying to them too?

There is only room for one truly incompetent maverick in this case and we've already got him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 11, 2021, 09:58:08 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 09:22:21 AM
There is only room for one truly incompetent maverick in this case and we've already got him.
Yes, and his bosses soon dealt with him.  I wonder why the German bosses, *knowing* that HCW is a self-aggrandising idiot in a bad suit who lies habitually to anyone who will listen (allegedly, according to those who know best), haven’t dealt with him sooner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 11, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 11, 2021, 08:50:31 AM

OG haven't nor have the parents, its in your mind, who apart from the two mentioned would identify the body?

I'm not talking about identifying a body....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 10:08:01 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 11, 2021, 09:58:08 AM
Yes, and his bosses soon dealt with him.  I wonder why the German bosses, *knowing* that HCW is a self-aggrandising idiot in a bad suit who lies habitually to anyone who will listen (allegedly, according to those who know best), haven’t dealt with him sooner.

I don't know if Wolters is right or not, but at least we now know that there were Paedophiles wandering unchecked around Praia de Luz, one of whom is now banged up in Germany.

How I laughed when I first heard that accusation some thirteen years ago.  It never crossed my mind that it could be true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 11, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Anyone who thinks that Wolters would announce to the world that he has concrete evidence that MM is dead without actually having that evidence is in no position to call anyone crazy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 11, 2021, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 11, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Anyone who thinks that Wolters would announce to the world that he has concrete evidence that MM is dead without actually having that evidence is in no position to call anyone crazy

I don't see why.

Look at the McCanns, they told the world that Maddie was abducted.

13 years later they're yet to produce any evidence (other than their own claim) that this is actually true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 11, 2021, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 11, 2021, 12:33:23 PM
I don't see why.

Look at the McCanns, they told the world that Maddie was abducted.

13 years later they're yet to produce any evidence (other than their own claim) that this is actually true.
I didn’t expect you to see why
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 11, 2021, 12:52:34 PM


Anyway, I believe the defence attorney who says Brueckner is innocent. He has the presumption off innocence on his side.

Maybe I'll change my mind & start believing Wolters when he stops claiming evidence & rather, presents his evidence in court.

Shouldn't be much longer now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 12:57:50 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 11, 2021, 12:33:23 PM
I don't see why.

Look at the McCanns, they told the world that Maddie was abducted.

13 years later they're yet to produce any evidence (other than their own claim) that this is actually true.

The McCanns don't have to produce any evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 11, 2021, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 12:57:50 PM
The McCanns don't have to produce any evidence.

That's a stroke of luck then because they haven't got any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 11, 2021, 12:58:40 PM
That's a stroke of luck then because they haven't got any.

And nor have you, or anyone else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 11, 2021, 01:12:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 11, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
I'm not talking about identifying a body....

Then how can he have photographic evidence if no ones identified this supposed photo, think it through.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 11, 2021, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 11, 2021, 01:12:34 PM
Then how can he have photographic evidence if no ones identified this supposed photo, think it through.

I have thought it through... Perhaps you haven't. From what Wolters has said the photo would show a live MM.... No body.... As in the Rui Pedro case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 11, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 11, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Anyone who thinks that Wolters would announce to the world that he has concrete evidence that MM is dead without actually having that evidence is in no position to call anyone crazy

The parents apparently haven't confirmed it, so whats crazy about doubting him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 11, 2021, 01:14:37 PM
I have thought it through... Perhaps you haven't. From what Wolters has said the photo would show a live MM.... No body.... As in the Rui Pedro case

Much as I don't want to believe that Brueckner killed Madeleine, this sounds very possible to me.

But it would also mean that Madeleine could still be alive.  And I'm not giving up that idea easily.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 11, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
The parents apparently haven't confirmed it, so whats crazy about doubting him.

What is this supposed to mean?  The McCanns hope that Madeleine is still alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 11, 2021, 01:25:13 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 11, 2021, 12:33:23 PM
I don't see why.

Look at the McCanns, they told the world that Maddie was abducted.

13 years later they're yet to produce any evidence (other than their own claim) that this is actually true.

No-one has produced any evidence of abduction, but many believe in it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 11, 2021, 01:27:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 11, 2021, 01:25:13 PM
No-one has produced any evidence of abduction, but many believe in it.
Including two highly respected police forces, how do you explain this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on April 11, 2021, 01:37:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 11, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Anyone who thinks that Wolters would announce to the world that he has concrete evidence that MM is dead without actually having that evidence is in no position to call anyone crazy

That would include the McCanns themselves then by your reckoning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 11, 2021, 01:49:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 11, 2021, 01:27:20 PM
Including two highly respected police forces, how do you explain this?

The Metropolitan Police may be highly respected by some, but not by all. As to the BKA, I have no view on them at all. Both forces appear to have begun with the assumption that Madeleine McCann was abducted, but neither has ever offered any evidence supporting the assumption. That's something they, not I, need to explain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 11, 2021, 01:50:40 PM
Quote from: John on April 11, 2021, 01:37:30 PM
That would include the McCanns themselves then by your reckoning.

Absolutely..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 11, 2021, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 11, 2021, 01:49:18 PM
The Metropolitan Police may be highly respected by some, but not by all. As to the BKA, I have no view on them at all. Both forces appear to have begun with the assumption that Madeleine McCann was abducted, but neither has ever offered any evidence supporting the assumption. That's something they, not I, need to explain.

There is quite a lot of evidence in this case... Mostly circumstantial and imo it clearly points to abduction.
There is no real evidence the McCanns are involved. As we know the PJ thought the main evidence against the McCanns was the dog alerts which is plainly ridiculous

From what I can see all those who doubt the McCanns also see the alerts as evidence... That's the mistake they make
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: John on April 11, 2021, 01:37:30 PM
That would include the McCanns themselves then by your reckoning.

How do you work that one out?  Or is this just you playing at Semantics?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 11, 2021, 02:13:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 11, 2021, 01:25:13 PM
No-one has produced any evidence of abduction, but many believe in it.

I think you are under a misapprehension... I certainly do not see abduction as a fact... Yet. I think it's the most probable explanation... But not yet a fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 11, 2021, 01:54:39 PM
There is quite a lot of evidence in this case... Mostly circumstantial and imo it clearly points to abduction.
There is no real evidence the McCanns are involved. As we know the PJ thought the main evidence against the McCanns was the dog alerts which is plainly ridiculous

From what I can see all those who doubt the McCanns also see the alerts as evidence... That's the mistake they make

Dear God, I forgot the Dog Alerts a long time ago.  Eddie wasn't even credible.  He had been taught too many tricks, poor little soul.  But he went on to earn Martin Grime a great deal of money.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 11, 2021, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 02:17:36 PM
Dear God, I forgot the Dog Alerts a long time ago.  Eddie wasn't even credible.  He had been taught too many tricks, poor little soul.  But he went on to earn Martin Grime a great deal of money.

Good for him. A man's best friend, it is said. 8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on April 11, 2021, 02:34:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 02:10:39 PM
How do you work that one out?  Or is this just you playing at Semantics?

It's easy. The parents still believe she is alive which shows how much faith they have in anything Wolters says.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 11, 2021, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: John on April 11, 2021, 02:34:57 PM
It's easy. The parents still believe she is alive which shows how much faith they have in anything Wolters says.

The parents believe Maddie may be still alive and even though they realise its unlikely they won't give up hope until they have proof... That's the way I see it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 11, 2021, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 11, 2021, 01:49:18 PM
The Metropolitan Police may be highly respected by some, but not by all. As to the BKA, I have no view on them at all. Both forces appear to have begun with the assumption that Madeleine McCann was abducted, but neither has ever offered any evidence supporting the assumption. That's something they, not I, need to explain.
So you cannot explain why two highly respected professional police forces would be so incompetent and or corrupt as to deliberately ignore all the evidence you rely on which leads you to believe the McCanns are involved in their child’s disappearance.  It doesn’t surprise me that you can’t explain it, because that would involve you having to come to terms with reality. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 11, 2021, 02:39:54 PM
Quote from: John on April 11, 2021, 02:34:57 PM
It's easy. The parents still believe she is alive which shows how much faith they have in anything Wolters says.

Not so, but they'll never admit it without a body.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 11, 2021, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 11, 2021, 02:38:36 PM
So you cannot explain why two highly respected professional police forces would be so incompetent and or corrupt as to deliberately ignore all the evidence you rely on which leads you to believe the McCanns are involved in their child’s disappearance.  It doesn’t surprise me that you can’t explain it, because that would involve you having to come to terms with reality.

I see you are determined to continue to sing the praises of the Metropolitan Police and the BKA. Do you have reasons to do so or are you just trying to make your argument stronger?

I have never said I believe the McCanns are involved in their child's disappearance, I have said they haven't been eliminated from involvement.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 11, 2021, 03:32:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 11, 2021, 03:25:23 PM
I see you are determined to continue to sing the praises of the Metropolitan Police and the BKA. Do you have reasons to do so or are you just trying to make your argument stronger?

I have never said I believe the McCanns are involved in their child's disappearance, I have said they haven't been eliminated from involvement.
As far as two of the world’s best resourced, and most respected police forces are concerned they have been and you are at a complete loss as to explain why that is.  It doesn’t take a genius to work out where your suspicions lie by the way, do you take me for a complete fool?
https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/defence/ten-best-police-forces-world/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 11, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 11, 2021, 03:25:23 PM
I see you are determined to continue to sing the praises of the Metropolitan Police and the BKA. Do you have reasons to do so or are you just trying to make your argument stronger?

I have never said I believe the McCanns are involved in their child's disappearance, I have said they haven't been eliminated from involvement.
What are the issues with semantics?
Questions of semantics intrigue linguists and philosophers, especially as the inquiries of postmodernism deal largely with the slippery slope of meaning. One of the central issues with semantics is the distinction between literal meaning and figurative meaning.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-semantics-definition-examples-quiz.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 04:02:42 PM
Quote from: John on April 11, 2021, 02:34:57 PM
It's easy. The parents still believe she is alive which shows how much faith they have in anything Wolters says.

I put up a considered reply to this, but yet again my comment failed.  And I can't be bothered to repeat it.

There is something not quite right with this Site.  And of course, it is  "Insecure"  According to Apple.

I don't care about me personally.  Have at me as you may.  You all know who I am so I have nothing to lose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2021, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 11, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
What are the issues with semantics?
Questions of semantics intrigue linguists and philosophers, especially as the inquiries of postmodernism deal largely with the slippery slope of meaning. One of the central issues with semantics is the distinction between literal meaning and figurative meaning.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-semantics-definition-examples-quiz.html

Semantics aren't a problem for me.  It is quite simply bull shit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 14, 2021, 11:02:00 AM
from websleuths....

Maddie-Ermittler suchen intensiv nach Leiche

"At the center of the German investigation are therefore considerations to determine the various houses and places of residence of the suspected 43-year-old German in Portugal. There is then to be searched specifically for Maddie's remains. Wolters was also convinced that there are even more people who have been victims of sexual abuse by B. These people are asked to report to the authorities. "Basically we need all information from this time. Where did he live, where did he work, what places did he have a special relationship with, who were his friends and the people he knew," said Wolters. "Who can tell us what the suspect's life was like, where was he with his cars, who was in his houses and can tell us what they looked like inside."

The last statement points out to some footage of crimes they may have, that could be linked to a known former wherabout IMO.


Words in red could point to the fact they have footage of MM inside a house and want help identifying it and linking it to CB.

It would also explain not releasing the evidence...Wolters said he doesnt want the defence to be able to claim the witness got the information from the media and not from personal knowledge. It all adds up. i might be wrong but photo/video evidence is looking to be  a real possibility..imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 14, 2021, 11:02:00 AM
from websleuths....

Maddie-Ermittler suchen intensiv nach Leiche

"At the center of the German investigation are therefore considerations to determine the various houses and places of residence of the suspected 43-year-old German in Portugal. There is then to be searched specifically for Maddie's remains. Wolters was also convinced that there are even more people who have been victims of sexual abuse by B. These people are asked to report to the authorities. "Basically we need all information from this time. Where did he live, where did he work, what places did he have a special relationship with, who were his friends and the people he knew," said Wolters. "Who can tell us what the suspect's life was like, where was he with his cars, who was in his houses and can tell us what they looked like inside."

The last statement points out to some footage of crimes they may have, that could be linked to a known former wherabout IMO.


Words in red could point to the fact they have footage of MM inside a house and want help identifying it and linking it to CB.

It would also explain not releasing the evidence...Wolters said he doesnt want the defence to be able to claim the witness got the information from the media and not from personal knowledge. It all adds up. i might be wrong but photo/video evidence is looking to be  a real possibility..imo

A bit of old news there; June 2020. Heres a bit you missed out;

At the center of the German investigation are therefore considerations to determine the various houses and places of residence of the suspected 43-year-old German in Portugal. There is then to be searched specifically for Maddie's remains.
https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Maddie-Ermittler-suchen-intensiv-nach-Leiche-article21833713.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 14, 2021, 11:32:01 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 11:25:33 AM
A bit of old news there; June 2020. Heres a bit you missed out;

At the center of the German investigation are therefore considerations to determine the various houses and places of residence of the suspected 43-year-old German in Portugal. There is then to be searched specifically for Maddie's remains.
https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Maddie-Ermittler-suchen-intensiv-nach-Leiche-article21833713.html

I checked the date...it might be old news but imo highly significant re wanting info about the inside of houses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 14, 2021, 11:32:01 AM
I checked the date...it might be old news but imo highly significant re wanting info about the inside of houses.

Maybe they should ask the Portuguese if they can take their German cadaver dogs to search the houses they know about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 14, 2021, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 11:52:26 AM
Maybe they should ask the Portuguese if they can take their German cadaver dogs to search the houses they know about.

You sound a little ill tempered. Does it annoy you that Wolters may be close to finding out exactly what happened to MM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 14, 2021, 11:59:21 AM
You sound a little ill tempered. Does it annoy you that Wolters may be close to finding out exactly what happened to MM

Not at all. I know you don't rate cadaver dogs very highly, maybe it's you getting a little ill-tempered? At least the German dogs are cool, if no more reliable than British ones.

(https://www.annmarieackermann.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Rex-mit-Uniform-Kopie.jpg)
https://www.annmarieackermann.com/german-cadaver-dog-handler/#:~:text=German%20K9s%20just%20might%20be,the%20K9%20squad%20in%20Stuttgart.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 14, 2021, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 12:05:55 PM
Not at all. I know you don't rate cadaver dogs very highly, maybe it's you getting a little ill-tempered? At least the German dogs are cool, if no more reliable than British ones.

(https://www.annmarieackermann.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Rex-mit-Uniform-Kopie.jpg)
https://www.annmarieackermann.com/german-cadaver-dog-handler/#:~:text=German%20K9s%20just%20might%20be,the%20K9%20squad%20in%20Stuttgart.

You are quite wrong.. I do rate cavaver dogs. They are excellent at detecting cadaver odour
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 14, 2021, 12:11:42 PM
You are quite wrong.. I do rate cavaver dogs. They are excellent at detecting cadaver odour

It would be most interesting to see the Germans using them and getting alerts but no body. I wonder how that would play out?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 14, 2021, 04:10:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 03:49:23 PM
It would be most interesting to see the Germans using them and getting alerts but no body. I wonder how that would play out?

The alerts are not evidential...I think supporters understand that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 14, 2021, 04:16:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 14, 2021, 04:10:15 PM
The alerts are not evidential...I think supporters understand that

The alerts are like the McCanns claim that Maddie was abducted, uncorroborated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 14, 2021, 04:26:07 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 14, 2021, 04:16:16 PM
The alerts are like the McCanns claim that Maddie was abducted, uncorroborated.

No problem at all with that... But I think abduction will be corroborated which will confirm my opinion of the dog alerts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 14, 2021, 04:44:37 PM
Smitman deposited Madeleine's remains some where, some one saw him, picked the package up thinking it was swag, boy did they get a surprise, took pictures for some perverted pleasure, prove it wrong mr prosecuter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 14, 2021, 04:44:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 03:49:23 PM
It would be most interesting to see the Germans using them and getting alerts but no body. I wonder how that would play out?
Yes it would be entertaining to watch the arguments do a 180 degree flip with sceptics using all the supporter arguments to dismiss them as not evidence against Bruckner. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 14, 2021, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 14, 2021, 04:44:37 PM
Smitman deposited Madeleine's remains some where, some one saw him, picked the package up thinking it was swag, boy did they get a surprise, took pictures for some perverted pleasure, prove it wrong mr prosecuter.
And Barrier jumped the shark with that post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 14, 2021, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 14, 2021, 04:45:20 PM
And Barrier jumped the shark with that post.


Wait and see, riding the tiger is more fun.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 14, 2021, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 14, 2021, 04:10:15 PM
The alerts are not evidential...I think supporters understand that

If dogs alerted to say inside of one of CB's previous residences, it would of course  be meaningless and infer no suspicions on him at all, yeah right, you'd be chomping at the bit..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 14, 2021, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 14, 2021, 04:57:54 PM
If dogs alerted to say inside of one of CB's previous residences, it would of course  be meaningless and infer no suspicions on him at all, yeah right, you'd be chomping at the bit..

Absolute rubbish..

Unless of course if the German Dogs have solved 200 cases and have a 100% record
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 14, 2021, 05:30:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 14, 2021, 04:44:37 PM
Smitman deposited Madeleine's remains some where, some one saw him, picked the package up thinking it was swag, boy did they get a surprise, took pictures for some perverted pleasure, prove it wrong mr prosecuter.

The photo is of a live MM according to Wolters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 14, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 14, 2021, 04:57:54 PM
If dogs alerted to say inside of one of CB's previous residences, it would of course  be meaningless and infer no suspicions on him at all, yeah right, you'd be chomping at the bit..

German dogs and their handlers were deployed in various locations associated with Brueckner; we don't yet know what indications may have been relayed to investigators as a result; but one thing for certain is that sceptics have scant understanding of the use and role of dogs in such deployments.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 14, 2021, 05:41:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 14, 2021, 05:30:50 PM
The photo is of a live MM according to Wolters

The moon is made of cheese according to Wallace & Gromit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 14, 2021, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 14, 2021, 05:41:05 PM
The moon is made of cheese according to Wallace & Gromit.

Did Armstrong say it wasn't ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 14, 2021, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 14, 2021, 04:57:54 PM
If dogs alerted to say inside of one of CB's previous residences, it would of course  be meaningless and infer no suspicions on him at all, yeah right, you'd be chomping at the bit..
It would be meaningless without forensic evidence, absolutely correct however many sceptics would have to see such alerts as evidence that Brückner had dead bodies in his house wouldn’t they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 14, 2021, 08:28:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 14, 2021, 05:30:50 PM
The photo is of a live MM according to Wolters
I agree, Davel but would that not leave a probability that Madeleine may still be alive? Brückner has no murder record, as far as I know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 14, 2021, 06:41:41 PM
It would be meaningless without forensic evidence, absolutely correct however many sceptics would have to see such alerts as evidence that Brückner had dead bodies in his house wouldn’t they?

I wonder if the Germans see alerts as meaningless without forensic evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 14, 2021, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 14, 2021, 11:30:51 PM
I wonder if the Germans see alerts as meaningless without forensic evidence?
If they have any sense they would. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 15, 2021, 08:38:32 PM
This is my opinion only.
If Mr Wolters and the BKA are wrong that Madeleine has passed, this picture of a girl at about 11 years old at an acting academy in Köln, may be significant. I follow any input, in this case Fia J’s prediction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 15, 2021, 11:22:44 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 15, 2021, 08:38:32 PM
This is my opinion only.
If Mr Wolters and the BKA are wrong that Madeleine has passed, this picture of a girl at about 11 years old at an acting academy in Köln, may be significant. I follow any input, in this case Fia J’s prediction.

I know that this 'psychic' told a story about Madeleine living in Germany, but did she publish a photo?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 15, 2021, 11:22:44 PM
I know that this 'psychic' told a story about Madeleine living in Germany, but did she publish a photo?
No, it was privately obtained.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 16, 2021, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: Anthro on April 15, 2021, 08:38:32 PM
This is my opinion only.
If Mr Wolters and the BKA are wrong that Madeleine has passed, this picture of a girl at about 11 years old at an acting academy in Köln, may be significant. I follow any input, in this case Fia J’s prediction.
It's not MM, Anthro.

Imagine a line drawn vertically from the centre of the base of the nose to the teeth in both photos -

Left photo: the line would pass over the incisor on the left, i.e. her right incisor.  The nose is also sharply defined and narrow.

Right photo: the line would pass through the diastema (gap) between the two incisors. The nose is broad, flat and upturned - the "McCann nose".

The shape of the nares is also different in both photos.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 09:15:12 AM
Quote from: Myster on April 16, 2021, 09:01:55 AM
It's not MM, Anthro.

Imagine a line drawn vertically from the centre of the base of the nose to the teeth in both photos -

Left photo: the line would pass over the incisor on the left, i.e. her right incisor.  The nose is also sharply defined and narrow.

Right photo: the line would pass through the diastema (gap) between the two incisors. The nose is broad, flat and upturned - the "McCann nose".

The shape of the nares is also different in both photos.
Thank you for the valuable info, Myster.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 16, 2021, 09:19:52 AM
Quote from: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 09:15:12 AM
Thank you for the valuable info, Myster.
I don't know whether it's valuable or not, just my opinion Anthro.  You and others might think differently and see a resemblance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on April 16, 2021, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 14, 2021, 05:30:50 PM
The photo is of a live MM according to Wolters

Did I miss something?  Has Wolters changed his position?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: John on April 16, 2021, 09:24:09 AM
Did I miss something?  Has Wolters changed his position?

No hes been consistent... I've followed closely every word he's said.
As regards MM being dead the evidence he says they have.. When he was pressed indicated that although he doesn't have proof of death the evidence  they have would indicate MM would not have survived.
In the Rui Pedro case the PJ found a video of abuse and said it was most likely Rui would not have survived his ordeal... Sad but unfortunately  true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 16, 2021, 10:59:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 14, 2021, 05:30:50 PM
The photo is of a live MM according to Wolters

As far as I know Wolters has never said he has a photo of a live MM, do you have a cite?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 16, 2021, 10:59:48 AM
As far as I know Wolters has never said he has a photo of a live MM, do you have a cite?

If you have read my posts you will understand... You need to read my post in context. I've never said Wolters has a photo but what I have said is there are at least 4..now probly 5 Indications that this is what he may well have


Context..


Words in red could point to the fact they have footage of MM inside a house and want help identifying it and linking it to CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 16, 2021, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 16, 2021, 11:02:59 AM
If you have read my posts you will understand... You need to read my post in context. I've never said Wolters has a photo but what I have said is there are at least 4..now probly 5 Indications that this is what he may well have


Context..


Words in red could point to the fact they have footage of MM inside a house and want help identifying it and linking it to CB

You said "The photo is of a live MM according to Wolters". I think you are trying to make your own imaginings into facts, which they clearly are not. Wolters has mentioned possessing no photos of Madeleine at all, so please stop putting your words in his mouth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 16, 2021, 12:27:52 PM

Could we please try to be polite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 01:35:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 16, 2021, 12:15:35 PM
You said "The photo is of a live MM according to Wolters". I think you are trying to make your own imaginings into facts, which they clearly are not. Wolters has mentioned possessing no photos of Madeleine at all, so please stop putting your words in his mouth.

You are wrong.... So could you provide a cite where Wolters says he has no photos of Madeleine at all.... Over to you
You will find its you putting words in his mouth
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 16, 2021, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 16, 2021, 01:35:32 PM
You are wrong.... So could you provide a cite where Wolters says he has no photos of Madeleine at all.... Over to you
You will find its you putting words in his mouth

I think sometimes it is not so much what Wolters says as what he doesn't say from which inference can be made.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 16, 2021, 01:42:38 PM
I think sometimes it is not so much what Wolters says as what he doesn't say from which inference can be made.

Gunit has specifically said Wolters has mentioned having no photos of Maddie at all.. She's obviously wrong so a cite is in order
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 16, 2021, 01:55:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 16, 2021, 01:35:32 PM
You are wrong.... So could you provide a cite where Wolters says he has no photos of Madeleine at all.... Over to you
You will find its you putting words in his mouth

Neither has he claimed to have a photo of Madeleine, as your lack of a cite confirms.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 16, 2021, 01:55:40 PM
Neither has he claimed to have a photo of Madeleine, as your lack of a cite confirms.

Ive never claimed he has whereas you have specifically claimed he has mentioned not having a photo..
Ive seen 6 or 7 indications now that a photo or video is what he had. I have also said I might be wrong.. But from what he has said im more and more inclined to feel im correct
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 16, 2021, 04:12:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 16, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
Ive never claimed he has whereas you have specifically claimed he has mentioned not having a photo..
Ive seen 6 or 7 indications now that a photo or video is what he had. I have also said I might be wrong.. But from what he has said im more and more inclined to feel im correct

I think indications are what people rely on to try to convince others that their theories are correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 04:44:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 16, 2021, 04:12:59 PM
I think indications are what people rely on to try to convince others that their theories are correct.

You can think what you like...but on this occasion are wrong. I've no wish to convince anyone... Its not important to me. I'm giving my opinion.

The archiving report used the word Indications... Do you think they were trying to convince someone.
I understand enough to know that even if CB was found guilty some wouldn't accept it and still blame the parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 05:00:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 16, 2021, 04:44:46 PM
You can think what you like...but on this occasion are wrong. I've no wish to convince anyone... Its not important to me. I'm giving my opinion.

The archiving report used the word Indications... Do you think they were trying to convince someone.
I understand enough to know that even if CB was found guilty some wouldn't accept it and still blame the parents.

He hasn't even been charged with anything so there's no need to worry about that happening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 16, 2021, 01:42:38 PM
I think sometimes it is not so much what Wolters says as what he doesn't say from which inference can be made.

Yes, just like the other police departments , he isn't saying what the abduction evidence is or how he was able to completely eliminate the possibility of the McCanns involvement.

I think that's rather telling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 05:06:17 PM
Yes, just like the other police departments , he isn't saying what the abduction evidence is or how he was able to completely eliminate the possibility of the McCanns involvement.

I think that's rather telling.
I think he's given enough clues to show he can eliminate the parents and the evidence he has that does.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 05:21:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 16, 2021, 05:09:03 PM
I think he's given enough clues to show he can eliminate the parents and the evidence he has that does.

Like what?

A half hour phone call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 05:35:02 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 05:21:39 PM
Like what?

A half hour phone call.

Have a look back through my last 100 posts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 05:37:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 16, 2021, 05:35:02 PM
Have a look back through my last 100 posts

I'd rather kill myself, but thanks anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 16, 2021, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 05:06:17 PM
Yes, just like the other police departments , he isn't saying what the abduction evidence is or how he was able to completely eliminate the possibility of the McCanns involvement.

I think that's rather telling.

The germans haven't eliminated the McCanns.
How could they without conducting a through investigation, which they are not empowered to do ?
What they mean is they have taken the word of OG without checking

All IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 06:57:57 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 16, 2021, 06:55:23 PM
The germans haven't eliminated the McCanns.
How could they without conducting a through investigation, which they are not empowered to do ?
What they mean is they have taken the word of OG without checking

All IMO

They claim to have done a thorough investigation.

But I'm still curious as to where & when they interviewed the McCanns.

They're keeping that a secret too for some reason, like they are the abduction evidence.


"All I will say is that we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12722481/madeleine-mccann-parents-cleared-german-police/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 16, 2021, 06:59:52 PM
As far as I know the Germans haven’t eliminated extraterrestrials, the traveling circus or even Robert Murat.  Shame on them!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 16, 2021, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: John on April 16, 2021, 09:24:09 AM
Did I miss something?  Has Wolters changed his position?


Yeah he's downgraded from concrete to assume.Link is a few pages back.


“We still assume the accused, Christian B, killed Madeleine. Even though the investigation of a case that will be 14 years old in a few days is very difficult after all this time, we remain optimistic and hopeful that we will be able to solve the crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 07:02:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 16, 2021, 06:59:52 PM
As far as I know the Germans haven’t eliminated extraterrestrials, the traveling circus or even Robert Murat.  Shame on them!

You can forget the others, but yes, Robert Murat has not been declared innocent by the Germans, unlike the McCanns, & I think that's rather telling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 16, 2021, 07:02:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 16, 2021, 06:59:52 PM
As far as I know the Germans haven’t eliminated extraterrestrials, the traveling circus or even Robert Murat.  Shame on them!
They'll get there, CB isn't going anywhere any time soon and doesn't have to reply to any claims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 07:26:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 16, 2021, 06:55:23 PM
The germans haven't eliminated the McCanns.
How could they without conducting a through investigation, which they are not empowered to do ?
What they mean is they have taken the word of OG without checking

All IMO


From what Wolters has said he has concrete evidence that clears the McCanns.. Imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 16, 2021, 07:54:19 PM

Does any of this matter?  The McCanns are never going to be found culpable.  What a bane that must be to some.

I can only hope that some of you spend the ret of your lives worrying about it.  Otherwise you might have to look to your own inadequacies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 16, 2021, 08:06:14 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 07:02:31 PM
You can forget the others, but yes, Robert Murat has not been declared innocent by the Germans, unlike the McCanns, & I think that's rather telling.
You think Murat might still be in the frame then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 16, 2021, 08:11:28 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 16, 2021, 07:54:19 PM
Does any of this matter? The McCanns are never going to be found culpable.  What a bane that must be to some.

I can only hope that some of you spend the ret of your lives worrying about it.  Otherwise you might have to look to your own inadequacies.

So speaks a true supporter. That's all that matters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 16, 2021, 08:16:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 16, 2021, 08:11:28 PM
So speaks a true supporter. That's all that matters.
Which bit of “the McCanns are never going to be found culpable” do you dispute and why?  Don’t worry, not expecting an answer :-)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 08:17:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 16, 2021, 08:06:14 PM
You think Murat might still be in the frame then?

No, but why did the police rule out the T9 specifically & not the other former arguido?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 08:18:16 PM

I found the McCanns culpable 13 years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 16, 2021, 08:28:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 16, 2021, 08:11:28 PM
So speaks a true supporter. That's all that matters.

So guilt or innocence never did have anything to do with this.  But then I thought not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 16, 2021, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 16, 2021, 08:16:51 PM
Which bit of “the McCanns are never going to be found culpable” do you dispute and why?  Don’t worry, not expecting an answer :-)

You won't get one because there is nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 08:41:07 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 15, 2021, 08:38:32 PM
This is my opinion only.
If Mr Wolters and the BKA are wrong that Madeleine has passed, this picture of a girl at about 11 years old at an acting academy in Köln, may be significant. I follow any input, in this case Fia J’s prediction.
Very similar in many ways.   What was Fia J's prediction again?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 08:48:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 16, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
Ive never claimed he has whereas you have specifically claimed he has mentioned not having a photo..
Ive seen 6 or 7 indications now that a photo or video is what he had. I have also said I might be wrong.. But from what he has said im more and more inclined to feel im correct
Opinion not fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 16, 2021, 08:54:10 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 08:48:54 PM
Opinion not fact.

Wherein did Davel say it is Fact?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 08:48:54 PM
Opinion not fact.
You seem.. Like some other posters... A little touchy on the conclusions I have drawn re what Wolters has said. He certainly has not mentioned there are no pictures of Maddie as gunit incorrectly claimed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 09:41:19 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 08:41:07 PM
Very similar in many ways.   What was Fia J's prediction again?
Hi Rob, she basically claims that Madeleine had been taken by a German pedophile currently in prison (this was before the BKA and Mr Wolters announced their findings) but a female member of the gang took pity on her and let her escape after two years. An elderly couple took her and has another adopted daughter of the same age. She claims Madeleine is in Köln and travels to attend some sort of acting class. She also says that she only needs a name and can instantly sense if the person is alive or not. According to her, Madeleine would meet her biological parents by accident in the near future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 09:42:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 16, 2021, 09:03:09 PM
You seem.. Like some other posters... A little touchy on the conclusions I have drawn re what Wolters has said. He certainly has not mentioned there are no pictures of Maddie as gunit incorrectly claimed
All I saying is that your analysis falls into the category of opinion and isn't a provable fact.  You could be right.  Opinion can be right in the end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 09:41:19 PM
Hi Rob, she basically claims that Madeleine had been taken by a German pedophile currently in prison (this was before the BKA and Mr Wolters announced their findings) but a female member of the gang took pity on her and let her escape after two years. An elderly couple took her and has another adopted daughter of the same age. She claims Madeleine is in Köln and travels to attend some sort of acting class. She also says that she only needs a name and can instantly sense if the person is alive or not. According to her, Madeleine would meet her biological parents by accident in the near future.

This psychic knows so much. She knows Maddie was abducted, knows she still alive,  see's Maddie dancing singing & living with a nice German couple.

If only she could see Maddie's home address & telephone number.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 09:48:28 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 09:41:19 PM
Hi Rob, she basically claims that Madeleine had been taken by a German pedophile currently in prison (this was before the BKA and Mr Wolters announced their findings) but a female member of the gang took pity on her and let her escape after two years. An elderly couple took her and has another adopted daughter of the same age. She claims Madeleine is in Köln and travels to attend some sort of acting class. She also says that she only needs a name and can instantly sense if the person is alive or not. According to her, Madeleine would meet her biological parents by accident in the near future.
Sounds remarkable if someone can do that.

Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
This psychic knows so much. She knows Maddie was abducted, knows she still alive,  see's Maddie dancing singing & living with a nice German couple.

If only she could see Maddie's home address & telephone number.
That's what I was thinking but that's the nature of this sensing.  We can take it from there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 16, 2021, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 09:42:50 PM
All I saying is that your analysis falls into the category of opinion and isn't a provable fact.  You could be right.  Opinion can be right in the end.

I've never claimed its a provable fact...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 09:59:02 PM

So is Fia Johansson actually known to have solved any specific cases?

Are there any examples?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 16, 2021, 09:56:12 PM
I've never claimed its a provable fact...
That's good then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 10:03:14 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 09:59:02 PM
So is Fia Johansson actually known to have solved any specific cases?

Are there any examples?
She could at least point someone in the right direction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 10:04:46 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 10:03:14 PM
She could at least point someone in the right direction.

Are there any examples?

I've tried a brief search & all I've found is her claiming she has helped solve cases.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on April 16, 2021, 10:11:16 PM
The McCanns don't believe him and it's their daughter. Says much imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 16, 2021, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 16, 2021, 07:54:19 PM
Does any of this matter?  The McCanns are never going to be found culpable.  What a bane that must be to some.

I can only hope that some of you spend the ret of your lives worrying about it.  Otherwise you might have to look to your own inadequacies.

I think it's unlikely that anyone will be found culpable.

I am very aware of my own inadequacies, and they have no connection to my stance on this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 10:24:35 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 09:59:02 PM
So is Fia Johansson actually known to have solved any specific cases?

Are there any examples?
She actually has. Google.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 10:29:02 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
This psychic knows so much. She knows Maddie was abducted, knows she still alive,  see's Maddie dancing singing & living with a nice German couple.

If only she could see Maddie's home address & telephone number.
This is not what she said. She does say that she has shared it with authorities.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 10:29:35 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 10:24:35 PM
She actually has. Google.

I've tried looking 4 pages in and still can't find any.

Can you share a link to cases she solved, seeing as you know where they are?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 10:31:42 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 09:48:28 PM
Sounds remarkable if someone can do that.
That's what I was thinking but that's the nature of this sensing.  We can take it from there.
An observation. Madeleine’s right eye with the fleck shows up in photographic material as brighter than the left eye.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 10:29:02 PM
This is not what she said. She does say that she has shared it with authorities.

“She’s very much inter-connected with music and dance, she has an amazing, beautiful voice." 

“She will find her own family by accident. My prediction is that she will find them by 2022 to 2024 by herself, because she’s going to be very famous in singing".

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-living-17463500
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 16, 2021, 10:32:21 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 16, 2021, 06:55:23 PM
The germans haven't eliminated the McCanns.
How could they without conducting a through investigation, which they are not empowered to do ?
What they mean is they have taken the word of OG without checking

All IMO

I believe the Germans are following evidence not conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 10:38:40 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 10:29:35 PM
I've tried looking 4 pages in and still can't find any.

Can you share a link to cases she solved, seeing as you know where they are?
https://wikibious.com/madeleine-mccann/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 10:44:47 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 16, 2021, 10:38:40 PM
https://wikibious.com/madeleine-mccann/

Oh I see, she claims to have helped free Jamal Trulove.

Neither the police nor Mr Trulove seem to confirm this anywhere though.

I would have thought it significant enough for them to mention it.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 11:00:18 PM

This clairvoyant say's she's buried by a lake.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/239499/i-know-what-happened-to-maddie/


This one say's she's buried in the mountains.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/exclusive-maddie-spoke-to-me-police-psychic-25-11--t16106.html


And I do hope this woman has stopped hallucinating every time she closes her eyes.

It sounds like a living nightmare.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/fashion-beauty/every-time-i-close-my-eyes-i-see-maddys-face-28065050.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 17, 2021, 07:23:28 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 16, 2021, 10:32:21 PM
I believe the Germans are following evidence not conspiracy theories.
Away with you, it's a conspiracy concocted by his bestest mates over a falling out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 17, 2021, 07:30:49 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 16, 2021, 10:16:00 PM
I think it's unlikely that anyone will be found culpable.

I am very aware of my own inadequacies, and they have no connection to my stance on this case.

I think the Germans have discovered what happened to MM and its quite possible they will be able to prove who did it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 17, 2021, 10:53:34 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 16, 2021, 11:00:18 PM
This clairvoyant say's she's buried by a lake.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/239499/i-know-what-happened-to-maddie/


This one say's she's buried in the mountains.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/exclusive-maddie-spoke-to-me-police-psychic-25-11--t16106.html


And I do hope this woman has stopped hallucinating every time she closes her eyes.

It sounds like a living nightmare.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/fashion-beauty/every-time-i-close-my-eyes-i-see-maddys-face-28065050.html


I watched a True Crime programme the other day.   A child of nine had gone missing.   They searched everywhere for her.   They said the mother sounded unmoved by her daughters disappearance and she had to take a lie detector test,  she failed.  The mother became a suspect.   There was also a man the child  visited to see his dog,  he failed the lie detector test too so they had two suspects.   They couldn't find the child.   Then a Psychic rang the Police she said she had dreamt where the child was.   She said she was in a field and described what she had seen in her vision.  The Police had already searched that area but they searched it again and the Psychic was exactly right where she said the body was lying.  Now they had three suspects.  They discovered the mother had been mistaken as to what time she had last seen her daughter,  which meant the alibi the man with the dog had could be questioned.   They collected the clothes he had been wearing on the day the girl had gone missing and found her blood.   They had solved the case,  but couldn't fathom out how the Psychic knew where the Childs body was lying.   

So one you can't trust lie detectors and two,  maybe not all Psychics are fake.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 17, 2021, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: Lace on April 17, 2021, 10:53:34 AM

I watched a True Crime programme the other day.   A child of nine had gone missing.   They searched everywhere for her.   They said the mother sounded unmoved by her daughters disappearance and she had to take a lie detector test,  she failed.  The mother became a suspect.   There was also a man the child  visited to see his dog,  he failed the lie detector test too so they had two suspects.   They couldn't find the child.   Then a Psychic rang the Police she said she had dreamt where the child was.   She said she was in a field and described what she had seen in her vision.  The Police had already searched that area but they searched it again and the Psychic was exactly right where she said the body was lying.  Now they had three suspects.  They discovered the mother had been mistaken as to what time she had last seen her daughter,  which meant the alibi the man with the dog had could be questioned.   They collected the clothes he had been wearing on the day the girl had gone missing and found her blood.   They had solved the case,  but couldn't fathom out how the Psychic knew where the Childs body was lying.   

So one you can't trust lie detectors and two,  maybe not all Psychics are fake.

That's all very interesting but I still can't find any evidence, other than Fia Johansson's claim, that she's solved or helped solve any cases.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 17, 2021, 11:22:04 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 17, 2021, 10:55:52 AM
That's all very interesting but I still can't find any evidence, other than Fia Johansson's claim, that she's solved or helped solve any cases.

I don't think the Germans are going to be recruiting psychics somehow. They think they know what happened to Madeleine, but like psychics they can't offer much in the way of evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 17, 2021, 11:28:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 17, 2021, 11:22:04 AM
I don't think the Germans are going to be recruiting psychics somehow. They think they know what happened to Madeleine, but like psychics they can't offer much in the way of evidence.

Then we agree they know what happened to Maddie... It will be interesting to see if they can prove it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 17, 2021, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 17, 2021, 11:28:42 AM
Then we agree they know what happened to Maddie... It will be interesting to see if they can prove it

She said they think they know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 18, 2021, 12:21:18 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2021, 08:41:07 PM
Very similar in many ways.   What was Fia J's prediction again?

Yep similar in many ways, but something is not quite right and IMO the older girl is not Madeleine.

As for Mysters analysis with the teeth lining up, are we sure that second teeth grow at the same angles and in exactly the same places as baby teeth?   Well spotted Anthro.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on April 18, 2021, 09:11:45 AM
Quote from: Lace on April 17, 2021, 10:53:34 AM

I watched a True Crime programme the other day.   A child of nine had gone missing.   They searched everywhere for her.   They said the mother sounded unmoved by her daughters disappearance and she had to take a lie detector test,  she failed.  The mother became a suspect.   There was also a man the child  visited to see his dog,  he failed the lie detector test too so they had two suspects.   They couldn't find the child.   Then a Psychic rang the Police she said she had dreamt where the child was.   She said she was in a field and described what she had seen in her vision.  The Police had already searched that area but they searched it again and the Psychic was exactly right where she said the body was lying.  Now they had three suspects.  They discovered the mother had been mistaken as to what time she had last seen her daughter,  which meant the alibi the man with the dog had could be questioned.   They collected the clothes he had been wearing on the day the girl had gone missing and found her blood.   They had solved the case,  but couldn't fathom out how the Psychic knew where the Childs body was lying.   

So one you can't trust lie detectors and two,  maybe not all Psychics are fake.

four -  The Police had already searched that area but they searched it again, so did not search very it well.

five -  he failed the lie detector test too so they had two suspects. yet they did not treat him as one.

six -  They collected the clothes he had been wearing on the day the girl had gone missing and found her blood.

Why did they not check his cloths when he failed the lie detector test.

IMO Just shows how the incompetence of police can let suspects get away with murder.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 18, 2021, 09:28:56 AM
Quote from: kizzy on April 18, 2021, 09:11:45 AM
four -  The Police had already searched that area but they searched it again, so did not search very it well.

five -  he failed the lie detector test too so they had two suspects. yet they did not treat him as one.

six -  They collected the clothes he had been wearing on the day the girl had gone missing and found her blood.

Why did they not check his cloths when he failed the lie detector test.

IMO Just shows how the incompetence of police can let suspects get away with murder.
I hope you’re not suggesting the PJ were incompetent though!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on April 18, 2021, 10:09:51 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 18, 2021, 09:28:56 AM
I hope you’re not suggesting the PJ were incompetent though!

No, IMO its just they were not allowed to do their job because of too much UK interference.

Same as this new German suspect - that's all he is - the latest of a long line of suspects...nothing more.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 18, 2021, 10:21:35 AM
Quote from: kizzy on April 18, 2021, 10:09:51 AM
No, IMO its just they were not allowed to do their job because of too much UK interference.

Same as this new German suspect - that's all he is - the latest of a long line of suspects...nothing more.

As you say.. In your opinion... Total rubbish.. Imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 18, 2021, 10:42:25 AM
Quote from: kizzy on April 18, 2021, 10:09:51 AM
No, IMO its just they were not allowed to do their job because of too much UK interference.

Same as this new German suspect - that's all he is - the latest of a long line of suspects...nothing more.
In what ways specifically did the UK prevent the Portuguese police from doing their jobs properly?  With cites please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on April 18, 2021, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 18, 2021, 10:21:35 AM
As you say.. In your opinion... Total rubbish.. Imo

Well it would be.. we believe in different things different suspects...not worth the reply really D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 18, 2021, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: kizzy on April 18, 2021, 10:47:56 AM
Well it would be.. we believe in different things different suspects...not worth the reply really D

Difference is the investigation is following what I believe
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 18, 2021, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 18, 2021, 11:25:33 AM
Difference is the investigation is following what I believe

I have to say that I am not sure about this.  I want to believe it, but that isn't quite good enough for me at the moment.  Although this could be coloured by my desire to think that Madeleine is still alive.

Brueckner himself doesn't interest me all that much despite the fact that he was probably capable.  I actually don't want your apparent certainty.  But then I am quite possibly a fool.  I have been told often enough during my life that I am.  Always by men, but there you go.  Women like me certainly make better Jourers.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 18, 2021, 12:54:24 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 18, 2021, 11:59:17 AM
I have to say that I am not sure about this.  I want to believe it, but that isn't quite good enough for me at the moment.  Although this could be coloured by my desire to think that Madeleine is still alive.

Brueckner himself doesn't interest me all that much despite the fact that he was probably capable. I actually don't want your apparent certainty.  But then I am quite possibly a fool.  I have been told often enough during my life that I am.  Always by men, but there you go.  Women like me certainly make better Jourers.

Being capable certainly doesn't make him culpable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 18, 2021, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 18, 2021, 12:54:24 PM
Being capable certainly doesn't make him culpable.

It certainly doesn't.. I don't think anyone will be satisfied without sufficient evidence. Even if he was convicted there will be doubts raised by some.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 18, 2021, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 18, 2021, 01:00:56 PM
It certainly doesn't.. I don't think anyone will be satisfied without sufficient evidence. Even if he was convicted there will be doubts raised by some.

Convicted of what?

The charges that he doesn't have against him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 18, 2021, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 18, 2021, 01:00:56 PM
It certainly doesn't.. I don't think anyone will be satisfied without sufficient evidence. Even if he was convicted there will be doubts raised by some.

I've said before, its the most famous disappearance (and according to Wolters murder investigation) in the world at the moment , they have to get it right then some more to have any credibility, first and foremost imo is how did Madeleine and him (CB) come together for him to have carried out the dastardly deed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 18, 2021, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 18, 2021, 01:07:50 PM
I've said before, its the most famous disappearance (and according to Wolters murder investigation) in the world at the moment , they have to get it right then some more to have any credibility, first and foremost imo is how did Madeleine and him (CB) come together for him to have carried out the dastardly deed.

I believe Dr Totman has given evidence to Wolters that he saw a man matching Brueckner's description, tampering with the shutters outside 5a.

There's no evidence for any of this, but if Wolters can make unsubstantiated claims then I see no good reason why I can't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 18, 2021, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 18, 2021, 01:07:50 PM
I've said before, its the most famous disappearance (and according to Wolters murder investigation) in the world at the moment , they have to get it right then some more to have any credibility, first and foremost imo is how did Madeleine and him (CB) come together for him to have carried out the dastardly deed.

And as has been said before we need to wait and see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 20, 2021, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: kizzy on April 18, 2021, 09:11:45 AM
four -  The Police had already searched that area but they searched it again, so did not search very it well.

five -  he failed the lie detector test too so they had two suspects. yet they did not treat him as one.

six -  They collected the clothes he had been wearing on the day the girl had gone missing and found her blood.

Why did they not check his cloths when he failed the lie detector test.

IMO Just shows how the incompetence of police can let suspects get away with murder.


The Police didn't investigate the man with the dog further as he had an alibi,  he said he was on stage performing when the little girl went missing.   They checked this out and found it to be true.  It wasn't until they found the mother had made a mistake and the little girl had gone missing much earlier that they then investigated the man.   They found the clothes he had been performing in and there were tiny drops of blood on them,  which belonged to the little girl.

It was an American programme by the way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2021, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 18, 2021, 01:07:50 PM
I've said before, its the most famous disappearance (and according to Wolters murder investigation) in the world at the moment , they have to get it right then some more to have any credibility, first and foremost imo is how did Madeleine and him (CB) come together for him to have carried out the dastardly deed.
That is a more fatuous post than usual.

Brueckner is a career criminal who thinks nothing of entering properties illegally to commit crimes.

Presently he is serving a custodial sentence in a German prison because he entered a widow's home in Praia da Luz to rape and torture her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 20, 2021, 09:47:11 AM
That is a more fatuous post than usual.

Brueckner is a career criminal who thinks nothing of entering properties illegally to commit crimes.

Presently he is serving a custodial sentence in a German prison because he entered a widow's home in Praia da Luz to rape and torture her.

And there's still no detail on how he gained entry to the woman's home.

Did she have window shutters he messed with or did he enter through unlocked patio doors?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 10:13:29 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 20, 2021, 09:47:11 AM
That is a more fatuous post than usual.

Brueckner is a career criminal who thinks nothing of entering properties illegally to commit crimes.

Presently he is serving a custodial sentence in a German prison because he entered a widow's home in Praia da Luz to rape and torture her.

I don't think it's fatuous at all to remind people that anyone planning to harm Madeleine had to get into 5A first, unless Madeleine left the apartment herself.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 09:49:40 AM
And there's still no detail on how he gained entry to the woman's home.

Did she have window shutters he messed with or did he enter through unlocked patio doors?

Don't worry about it.  He was good at finding ways to break in.  Which he obviously did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 10:18:55 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 20, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Don't worry about it.  He was good at finding ways to break in.  Which he obviously did.

I think it's of interest myself.

If he had form for entering windows that could be significant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2021, 10:19:23 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 10:13:29 AM
I don't think it's fatuous at all to remind people that anyone planning to harm Madeleine had to get into 5A first, unless Madeleine left the apartment herself.

A Burglar?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 20, 2021, 10:19:23 AM
A Burglar?

Was he ever convicted of burglary? If not, then he's an alleged burglar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 20, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 10:13:29 AM
I don't think it's fatuous at all to remind people that anyone planning to harm Madeleine had to get into 5A first, unless Madeleine left the apartment herself.

There was a history of burglaries at the apartment so entry would not seem to be difficult. Those with local knowledge might well know how easy it was to open the shutters from the outside
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2021, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 10:27:20 AM
Was he ever convicted of burglary? If not, then he's an alleged burglar.

Now that is funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 20, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
There was a history of burglaries at the apartment so entry would not seem to be difficult. Those with local knowledge might well know how easy it was to open the shutters from the outside

Dead easy here and we have the same Shutters.  Mainly they are designed to keep out the cold and sometimes dust.

Someone raised the shutters at a local Bar down the road recently and no one heard a thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 20, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
There was a history of burglaries at the apartment so entry would not seem to be difficult. Those with local knowledge might well know how easy it was to open the shutters from the outside

There was talk of burglaries in the area, but I don't remember any mentioning 5A in particular. Opening shutters is no use if a window is locked, so opening shutters involves relying on an unlocked window behind them. There was, of course, no evidence of anyone passing through the window of 5A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 20, 2021, 11:51:10 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 11:25:09 AM
There was talk of burglaries in the area, but I don't remember any mentioning 5A in particular. Opening shutters is no use if a window is locked, so opening shutters involves relying on an unlocked window behind them. There was, of course, no evidence of anyone passing through the window of 5A.
For several reasons entrance to 5a via the window is a possibility... No evidence found may just be sloppy investigating
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2021, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 10:13:29 AM
I don't think it's fatuous at all to remind people that anyone planning to harm Madeleine had to get into 5A first, unless Madeleine left the apartment herself.

Fatuous that the implication is made that a violent career criminal who is a child molester - a rapist and torturer - a burglar and goodness knows what else and based in Luz would have any difficulty whatsoever in entering apartment 5A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2021, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 20, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Dead easy here and we have the same Shutters.  Mainly they are designed to keep out the cold and sometimes dust.

Someone raised the shutters at a local Bar down the road recently and no one heard a thing.

Even if people had heard them being raised would they have paid any attention?  I imagine it would be a pretty unremarkable, normal event to hear shutters raised and lowered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 20, 2021, 12:06:18 PM
How did he get into the other apartments?   How did the man who assaulted children in their beds get in?   I'm sure I read that one apartment was locked,  so how did he get in, did he have a key?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 12:24:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 20, 2021, 11:51:10 AM
For several reasons entrance to 5a via the window is a possibility... No evidence found may just be sloppy investigating

A possibility pointed out and supported by her parents, although they later decided to go with entering via the unlocked patio doors. No evidence may mean no evidence to be found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2021, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: Lace on April 20, 2021, 12:06:18 PM
How did he get into the other apartments?   How did the man who assaulted children in their beds get in?   I'm sure I read that one apartment was locked,  so how did he get in, did he have a key?

There was denial in the sceptic world that such assaults on children had occurred.  Much as there is denial that a man capable of invading an adult's residence would be unable to enter unlocked premises to remove a little child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 20, 2021, 12:39:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 12:24:25 PM
A possibility pointed out and supported by her parents, although they later decided to go with entering via the unlocked patio doors. No evidence may mean no evidence to be found.

So it's just speculation at the moment but if Wolters has the evidence he claim we will have some definitive answers
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 01:19:31 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 20, 2021, 12:29:08 PM
There was denial in the sceptic world that such assaults on children had occurred. Much as there is denial that a man capable of invading an adult's residence would be unable to enter unlocked premises to remove a little child.

There's also a significant lack of disclosed evidence that they did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 01:32:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 10:13:29 AM
I don't think it's fatuous at all to remind people that anyone planning to harm Madeleine had to get into 5A first, unless Madeleine left the apartment herself.
Gosh, breaking into an unlocked groundfloor apartment - how on EARTH did he do that?  It’s a total mystery isn’t it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 20, 2021, 01:32:52 PM
Gosh, breaking into an unlocked groundfloor apartment - how on EARTH did he do that?  It’s a total mystery isn’t it?

If it was unlocked then there was never any break in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 01:38:02 PM
If it was unlocked then there was never any break in.
Semantics.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 20, 2021, 01:42:41 PM
Semantics.

I would argue in court that the front door was wide open when I entered & I was merely trespassing.

It isn't like I made any forced entry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 20, 2021, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 01:45:59 PM
I would argue in court that the front door was wide open & when I entered & I was merely trespassing.

It isn't like I made any forced entry.

Or even just visiting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 20, 2021, 01:48:55 PM
Or even just visiting.

I heard a child crying in the apartment so I went in to investigate & to try to soothe the distressed child, upon entry I met a husband & wife couple who were doing exactly the same.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 01:45:59 PM
I would argue in court that the front door was wide open & when I entered & I was merely trespassing.

It isn't like I made any forced entry.
And you took the child because you thought no one wanted her and you decided to give her a better life but then when you tried to put her in the car she ran off and you never saw her again.  Yes, very plausible, charges dismissed you're free to go.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 02:00:02 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
I heard a child crying in the apartment so I went in to investigate & to try to soothe the distressed child, upon entry I met a husband & wife couple who were doing exactly the same.
And this couple were who?  They will of course vouch for you. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 20, 2021, 01:59:18 PM
And you took the child because you thought no one wanted her and you decided to give her a better life but then when you tried to put her in the car she ran off and you never saw her again.  Yes, very plausible, charges dismissed you're free to go.

There's no evidence I took the child & there are at least 4 other unidentified adults known to have been in or around the apartment.

Plenty of reasonable doubt for a jury there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 02:01:33 PM
There's no evidence I took the child & there are at least 4 other unidentified adults known to have been in or around the apartment.

Plenty of reasonable doubt for a jury there.

German law relies neither on juries or on the principle of beyond reasonable doubt. The process is very different from the UK process.

The Code of Criminal Procedure does not explicitly state that a conviction requires proof of the defendant’s guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-12520-2_3#:~:text=1%20Basic%20Law).,defendant's%20guilt%20beyond%20reasonable%20doubt.&text=German%20law%20does%20not%20have,sufficient%20for%20convicting%20the%20defendant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 02:37:54 PM
German law relies neither on juries or on the principle of beyond reasonable doubt. The process is very different from the UK process.

The Code of Criminal Procedure does not explicitly state that a conviction requires proof of the defendant’s guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-12520-2_3#:~:text=1%20Basic%20Law).,defendant's%20guilt%20beyond%20reasonable%20doubt.&text=German%20law%20does%20not%20have,sufficient%20for%20convicting%20the%20defendant.

Appalling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2021, 03:10:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2021, 02:37:54 PM
German law relies neither on juries or on the principle of beyond reasonable doubt. The process is very different from the UK process.

The Code of Criminal Procedure does not explicitly state that a conviction requires proof of the defendant’s guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-12520-2_3#:~:text=1%20Basic%20Law).,defendant's%20guilt%20beyond%20reasonable%20doubt.&text=German%20law%20does%20not%20have,sufficient%20for%20convicting%20the%20defendant.

The Germans do sometimes use Juries in certain circumstances.  I posted a Link here some months ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 03:47:27 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 02:01:33 PM
There's no evidence I took the child & there are at least 4 other unidentified adults known to have been in or around the apartment.

Plenty of reasonable doubt for a jury there.
But you’re a rapist / paedophile- do you really expect me to believe you trespassed into an apartment from whence moments later a young girl disappeared and you had nothing to do with it?  You must think I was born yesterday!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 20, 2021, 03:47:27 PM
But you’re a rapist / paedophile- do you really expect me to believe you trespassed into an apartment from whence moments later a young girl disappeared and you had nothing to do with it?  You must think I was born yesterday!

Well there's still no evidence I entered the building at all, your honour.

There is however evidence another 4 unknown people did or may have.

Try looking there m'lud, because I'm completely innocent.

And even if I do have a digital photo of a child whom you claim is this missing child, that's simply because I'm writing a book about child exploitation & downloaded many images for research purposes.

I'm also thinking of opening a second hand child's swimwear store, hence my collection of girls costumes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 03:54:30 PM
Well there's still no evidence I entered the building at all, your honour.

There is however evidence another 4 unknown people did or may have.

Try looking there m'lud, because I'm completely innocent.

And even if I do have a digital photo of a child whom you claim is this missing child, that's simply because I'm writing a book about child exploitation & downloaded many images for research purposes.

I'm also thinking of opening a second hand child's swimwear store, hence my collection of girls costumes.
Ohnright, that all sounds very plausible, here’s ten grand of my own money to help you set it up.  Good luck!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 20, 2021, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 03:54:30 PM
Well there's still no evidence I entered the building at all, your honour.

There is however evidence another 4 unknown people did or may have.

Try looking there m'lud, because I'm completely innocent.

And even if I do have a digital photo of a child whom you claim is this missing child, that's simply because I'm writing a book about child exploitation & downloaded many images for research purposes.

I'm also thinking of opening a second hand child's swimwear store, hence my collection of girls costumes.


Your reasons for having the photo and swimwear would be investigated before you went to court.   Don't think you have a leg to stand on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 05:08:39 PM
Quote from: Lace on April 20, 2021, 05:03:39 PM

Your reasons for having the photo and swimwear would be investigated before you went to court.   Don't think you have a leg to stand on.

I'm fine, I haven't even been charged with anything.

Me being a paedophile proves nothing, there's no evidence I abducted Maddie & a similar amount I murdered her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 05:13:26 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 05:08:39 PM
I'm fine, I haven't even been charged with anything.

Me being a paedophile proves nothing, there's no evidence I abducted Maddie & a similar amount I murdered her.
Yes you're just a paedophhile with a conviction for brutal rape who admits he was in the apartment of a young child who disappeared and whose photo you happen to have on your computer but clearly there is nothing at all to link you to the disappearance.  At all.  (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 05:19:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 20, 2021, 05:13:26 PM
Yes you're just a paedophhile with a conviction for brutal rape who admits he was in the apartment of a young child who disappeared and whose photo you happen to have on your computer but clearly there is nothing at all to link you to the disappearance.  At all.  (&^&

What evidence is there I ever entered 5a?

What evidence is there I murdered Maddie?

These seem pretty vital pieces of evidence & something one might expect the state to have in advance if I'm being charged with abduction & murder. (Which I'm not)

Besides, I love children. I don't want to murder them, only enjoy their company.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 20, 2021, 05:20:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 05:19:29 PM
What evidence is there I ever entered 5a?

What evidence is there I murdered Maddie?

These seem pretty vital pieces of evidence & something one might expect the state to have in advance if I'm being charged with abduction & murder. (Which I'm not)

Besides, I love children. I don't want to murder them, only enjoy their company.


 @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 05:21:05 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 05:19:29 PM
What evidence is there I ever entered 5a?

What evidence is there I murdered Maddie?

These seem pretty vital pieces of evidence & something one might expect the state to have in advance if I'm being charged with abduction & murder. (Which I'm not)

Besides, I love children. I don't want to murder them, only enjoy their company.
You just told me you entered Apartment 5 A, have you got dementia as well?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 05:35:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 20, 2021, 05:21:05 PM
You just told me you entered Apartment 5 A, have you got dementia as well?

Yes I do, which is why it would also be totally unethical to attempt a prosecution, even if I did commit the crime as I have no memory of the event or whatever it is we are talking about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 05:43:15 PM


Ex-Paedophile Shares Tips On How To Make Your Kids Less Attractive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0nnU71ggro
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 05:35:09 PM
Yes I do, which is why it would also be totally unethical to attempt a prosecution, even if I did commit the crime as I have no memory of the event or whatever it is we are talking about.
But you’ve just demonstrated that your long term memory is sound, it’s your short term memory that’s the problem.  The prosecution continues.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 05:43:15 PM

Ex-Paedophile Shares Tips On How To Make Your Kids Less Attractive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0nnU71ggro
Please stop posting links to your youtube channel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 20, 2021, 05:43:21 PM
But you’ve just demonstrated that your long term memory is sound, it’s your short term memory that’s the problem.  The prosecution continues.

The defence presents it's next witness, a renown psychic expert who has solved many cases & has accreditation from multiple police departments.

Miss Johannsson testifies that Maddie is living with an elderly couple in Koln, Germany & she believes investigation should be focused there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 06:19:23 PM

What do we really know other than that Maddie is missing?

There's no evidence she has come to any harm.

The speculation on top of speculation reminds me of this missing persons case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2X0H0ni5MQ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 06:19:23 PM
What do we really know other than that Maddie is missing?

There's no evidence she has come to any harm.

The speculation on top of speculation reminds me of this missing persons case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2X0H0ni5MQ
I thought you *knew* she’d been murdered by her parents? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 06:38:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 20, 2021, 06:32:46 PM
I thought you *knew* she’d been murdered by her parents?

Are you talking to me as in me, or to me the paedophile rapist, burglar on trial for abduction & murder?

I'm finding this whole situation confusing, in part because of my dementia.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2021, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 06:38:25 PM
Are you talking to me as in me, or to me the paedophile rapist, burglar on trial for abduction & murder?

I'm finding this whole situation confusing, in part because of my dementia.
Is there a tangible difference between your opinion and that of your paedo/rapist alter ego?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 20, 2021, 07:13:41 PM
The Tanner sighting has been ruled out on the assumption that it was a male person who carried a sleeping child at the time of the sighting. Hence, the presumption that J Totman was that person and ruled out. What if that person was female and associated with Brückner? I know that Murat’s girlfriend at the time was theoretically thought to be such person. In my opinion, that sighting may well be of a female and a child, given the latest information on the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2021, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 20, 2021, 07:13:41 PM
The Tanner sighting has been ruled out on the assumption that it was a male person who carried a sleeping child at the time of the sighting. Hence, the presumption that J Totman was that person and ruled out. What if that person was female and associated with Brückner? I know that Murat’s girlfriend at the time was theoretically thought to be such person. In my opinion, that sighting may well be of a female and a child, given the latest information on the case.

That would tie in with the suggestion that Madeleine might have been passed through the window to a carrier.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 08:13:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 20, 2021, 06:44:58 PM
Is there a tangible difference between your opinion and that of your paedo/rapist alter ego?

We're not all that different, which is why I'm often not sure if I'm still in character or not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2021, 08:32:26 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 20, 2021, 07:13:41 PM
The Tanner sighting has been ruled out on the assumption that it was a male person who carried a sleeping child at the time of the sighting. Hence, the presumption that J Totman was that person and ruled out. What if that person was female and associated with Brückner? I know that Murat’s girlfriend at the time was theoretically thought to be such person. In my opinion, that sighting may well be of a female and a child, given the latest information on the case.

The couple who were seen climbing into the garden of 5a just moments before Maddie disappeared need to be traced IMO. They could potentially have seen something, or maybe they were the abductors.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 02, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
You knew there would be a slew of stories around this time.

The prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is only in the frame because German police think they are smarter than Brits, his lawyer says.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/lawyer-defending-peado-accused-maddie-24021272
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 02, 2021, 08:56:45 AM
German federal police, who are leading the inquiry into Brückner, hope to charge him with raping Behan “in the next three months”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/madeleine-mccann-suspect-to-be-charged-with-algarve-rape-fw3lbxmmk
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 02, 2021, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 02, 2021, 08:56:45 AM
German federal police, who are leading the inquiry into Brückner, hope to charge him with raping Behan “in the next three months”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/madeleine-mccann-suspect-to-be-charged-with-algarve-rape-fw3lbxmmk

How can that be
..


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/portuguese-police-have-already-ruled-22167981
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 02, 2021, 09:48:52 AM
Different standards of proof, perhaps.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 02, 2021, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: jassi on May 02, 2021, 09:48:52 AM
Different standards of proof, perhaps.
Different standards in police investigative work more like. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 02, 2021, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 02, 2021, 09:12:08 AM
How can that be
..


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/portuguese-police-have-already-ruled-22167981
I wonder who the PJ's unofficial spokesperson was making this claim...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 02, 2021, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 02, 2021, 11:09:53 AM
Different standards in police investigative work more like.

I would agree with that.  I seem to remember Ms Behan indicating that the investigation into her rape was farcical (my word in case of any nit picks for a source 😁)

If the Germans find enough evidence to mount a court case I think it will be nothing short of a miracle given that I seem to remember some newspapers saying the evidence had been destroyed by the Portuguese police.

Then again the Germans are getting quite proficient at clearing up Portuguese mess as in the Portuguese cases they are currently investigating ~ not to mention the Praia da Luz rape case they solved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 02, 2021, 06:12:24 PM
‘Hans Christian Wolters, leading the investigations into the rape of Ms Behan and the disappearance of Madeline McCann, said there were parallels in the crimes.

“I am very hopeful to bring a charge on this case. We are building a picture of Christian B and the methods he used to commit his crimes."

“There are parallels with the case of the American tourist who was raped, the attack on Hazel Behan, and the abduction and murder of Madeline McCann,” Mr Wolters said.

“In each case the person has come into the person’s apartment or property by breaking and entering, often not through the door,” he added.

Last June he was named as a chief suspect in the disappearance and suspected murder of Madeline McCann (3), who was last seen on May 3, 2007.

A month later, the investigation into the rape of Ms Behan was reopened after she came forward saying she believed Brückner was her attacker.

At the time she told police the man involved was about 6ft 1in tall (1.85m), had “blond eyebrows, piercing blue eyes” and spoke English with a German accent.

Ms Behan, who is originally from Dublin but now lives in Westmeath with her family, said she also noted similarities between her attack and the rape of the American woman.

She previously said she was “mind blown” when details of his attack on the 72-year-old emerged, saying there were similar tactics and methods in both crimes.

Recalling her attack last year, she said she was awoken by someone calling her name and saw a man armed with a 12in machete standing in the room.

During the ordeal, which went on for up to five hours, he repeatedly cleaned himself in between the attacks.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-to-be-charged-with-rape-of-irish-woman-in-portugal-resort-40379159.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 02, 2021, 06:27:31 PM
‘Given his repeated offending, the file provides a vivid physical description of Brueckner who has a pockmarked face, pierced ears, a five-inch scar on his lower back, an eight-inch scar on his right arm, birthmarks all over his body and hands’, including chewed fingernails. It even details a distinctive scar on his groin’.

This is not new information but it does show that Mr Fülscher got it wrong when saying that the scar was on his buttocks (?)

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scottish-mail-on-sunday/20200607/281608127663057
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 02, 2021, 06:51:05 PM
Hazel Behan interviewed on RTE Radio in 2015.  Scroll down for the recording...

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/tubridy-floored-by-bravery-of-woman-sharing-her-harrowing-rape-ordeal-live-on-air-30921788.html (https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/tubridy-floored-by-bravery-of-woman-sharing-her-harrowing-rape-ordeal-live-on-air-30921788.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 02, 2021, 07:31:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 02, 2021, 06:27:31 PM
‘Given his repeated offending, the file provides a vivid physical description of Brueckner who has a pockmarked face, pierced ears, a five-inch scar on his lower back, an eight-inch scar on his right arm, birthmarks all over his body and hands’, including chewed fingernails. It even details a distinctive scar on his groin’.

This is not new information but it does show that Mr Fülscher got it wrong when saying that the scar was on his buttocks (?)

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scottish-mail-on-sunday/20200607/281608127663057

I'm surprised that the Mail on Sunday has seen the police file.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2021, 05:31:41 PM
Tis the silly season. Still must be right, davels accepting of the nonsense it seems.



The Sun Online also understands German cops will use a forthcoming documentary on Maddie’s disappearance to speak directly to witnesses.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14837775/madeleine-mccann-cops-new-info-christian-b-suspect/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 03, 2021, 05:37:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 03, 2021, 05:31:41 PM
Tis the silly season. Still must be right, davels accepting of the nonsense it seems.



The Sun Online also understands German cops will use a forthcoming documentary on Maddie’s disappearance to speak directly to witnesses.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14837775/madeleine-mccann-cops-new-info-christian-b-suspect/

You don't seem to understand  what I accept but seem to believe all amarals nonsense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2021, 05:42:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 03, 2021, 05:37:48 PM
You don't seem to understand  what I accept but seem to believe all amarals nonsense


I've never said I believe Amaral, what I've said he is yet to be proved wrong, there is a difference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 03, 2021, 05:49:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 03, 2021, 05:42:06 PM

I've never said I believe Amaral, what I've said he is yet to be proved wrong, there is a difference.
It's a rather silly thing to say... Imo.  Its a silly celestial teapot argument
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 03, 2021, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 02, 2021, 06:51:05 PM
Hazel Behan interviewed on RTE Radio in 2015.  Scroll down for the recording...

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/tubridy-floored-by-bravery-of-woman-sharing-her-harrowing-rape-ordeal-live-on-air-30921788.html (https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/tubridy-floored-by-bravery-of-woman-sharing-her-harrowing-rape-ordeal-live-on-air-30921788.html)

Absolutely horrific what happened to that poor girl, whoever attacked her. Luckily, she seems to have come out of it the other end, although no doubt with the odd down day.

Was this mystery rapist ever ruled out as being Brückner? I can't remember now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2021, 06:55:19 PM
Thanks to Faithlilly for drawing attention to this fascinating fact on another thread, which perhaps suggests the Germans have been able to pinpoint the location of Brückner’s phone shortly before Madeleine went missing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3303637.stm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2021, 06:59:52 PM
Quote from: Carana on May 03, 2021, 06:06:54 PM
Absolutely horrific what happened to that poor girl, whoever attacked her. Luckily, she seems to have come out of it the other end, although no doubt with the odd down day.

Was this mystery rapist ever ruled out as being Brückner? I can't remember now.
Only according to a “Portuguese source”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2021, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 03, 2021, 05:42:06 PM

I've never said I believe Amaral, what I've said he is yet to be proved wrong, there is a difference.
I say Madeleine was abducted by aliens and I have yet to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 03, 2021, 08:17:58 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 02, 2021, 06:27:31 PM
‘Given his repeated offending, the file provides a vivid physical description of Brueckner who has a pockmarked face, pierced ears, a five-inch scar on his lower back, an eight-inch scar on his right arm, birthmarks all over his body and hands’, including chewed fingernails. It even details a distinctive scar on his groin’.

This is not new information but it does show that Mr Fülscher got it wrong when saying that the scar was on his buttocks (?)

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scottish-mail-on-sunday/20200607/281608127663057

Unless it was a lost-in-translation issue, e.g. some term referring to either the back or the front of the middle area? Without the original, hard to say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 05, 2021, 07:03:56 AM
Madeleine McCann police to take key witness back to Portugal in bid to crack the case.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14852031/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-portugal/?rec_article=true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 05, 2021, 07:33:18 AM
Quote from: Anthro on May 05, 2021, 07:03:56 AM
Madeleine McCann police to take key witness back to Portugal in bid to crack the case.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14852031/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-portugal/?rec_article=true (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14852031/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-portugal/?rec_article=true)
They're not saying who it is... but the clue is in the video at the bottom of the page.

He mentioned chains being part of Brueckner's armoury, similar to Hazel Behan's revelation too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 05, 2021, 08:17:23 AM
I have felt for some time... Wolters thinks he might be able to find the body.. This could be related
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 05, 2021, 09:19:38 AM
Its in the sun, got to be true, yeah right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on May 05, 2021, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2021, 09:19:38 AM
Its in the sun, got to be true, yeah right.

didnt the sun ie about that liverpool football disaster in 1989 i was  10 so im too young to  remember  it but i have read  they  blamed people when it  wasnt their  fault
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 05, 2021, 09:51:06 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on May 05, 2021, 09:46:35 AM
didnt the sun ie about that liverpool football disaster in 1989 i was  10 so im too young to  remember  it but i have read  they  blamed people when it  wasnt their  fault

Basically yeah, paid a £million to Elton John too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on May 05, 2021, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2021, 09:51:06 AM
Basically yeah, paid a £million to Elton John too.

the media can say and edit  anything they  want i   havc a open mind and reserch things  myself and i dont believe  everything i  read or see on the news
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 05, 2021, 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2021, 09:19:38 AM
Its in the sun, got to be true, yeah right.

I haven't said its true... You should know better than that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on May 05, 2021, 09:46:35 AM
didnt the sun ie about that liverpool football disaster in 1989 i was  10 so im too young to  remember  it but i have read  they  blamed people when it  wasnt their  fault

A friend of ours was there on the day and told us that it was police incompetence which caused the disaster. The Sun believed and publicised what the police told them however. I was somewhat surprised that Liverpudlian Kate McCann appeared to have a close relationship with that rag.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/why-the-sun-is-hated-by-liverpool-fans-banned-in-many-places/2hrhnj5tch2r1ae7tllvac6fb#:~:text=The%20Sun's%20notoriety%20related%20to,refuse%20to%20pick%20it%20up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 10:52:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
A friend of ours was there on the day and told us that it was police incompetence which caused the disaster. The Sun believed and publicised what the police told them however. I was somewhat surprised that Liverpudlian Kate McCann appeared to have a close relationship with that rag.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/why-the-sun-is-hated-by-liverpool-fans-banned-in-many-places/2hrhnj5tch2r1ae7tllvac6fb#:~:text=The%20Sun's%20notoriety%20related%20to,refuse%20to%20pick%20it%20up.

What a very cheap shot.  But nothing more than I have come to expect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 10:59:35 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 10:52:03 AM
What a very cheap shot.  But nothing more than I have come to expect.

I think it's time you accepted that attempts to occupy the moral high ground don't work.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 05, 2021, 11:03:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 10:59:35 AM
I think it's time you accepted that attempts to occupy the moral high ground don't work.

That's a matter of opinion... I think the morsl high ground was concede by skeptics a long time sgo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 10:59:35 AM
I think it's time you accepted that attempts to occupy the moral high ground don't work.

Don't work where?  On this Forum do you mean?  I have never lost the moral high ground.  It isn't something you have to climb up to.  You are either there or you aren't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 11:08:37 AM
Don't work where?  On this Forum do you mean?  I have never lost the moral high ground.  It isn't something you have to climb up to.  You are either there or you aren't.

Many people throughout history have been convinced that they occupied the moral high ground, but it doesn't mean they were right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 05, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 11:39:43 AM
Many people throughout history have been convinced that they occupied the moral high ground, but it doesn't mean they were right.
When people spend 14 years bleating on about the parents’ “neglect”, is that occupying the moral high ground in your opinion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 05, 2021, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 05, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
When people spend 14 years bleating on about the parents’ “neglect”, is that occupying the moral high ground in your opinion?

What's the opposite?  Condoning neglect? That makes you morally superior does it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 12:45:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 05, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
When people spend 14 years bleating on about the parents’ “neglect”, is that occupying the moral high ground in your opinion?

That is indeed one of the things that some people find inexplicable. The claim by Kate McCann that it felt safe was her explanation for not expecting an abduction, but she never addressed or explained why she ignored the reasons why most people don't leave small children home alone in an unlocked apartment.

Most people stay home or use a babysitter because of those other reasons;

Cholic. Vomiting. Sore nappies. Coughing. Choking. Bad dreams. Overheating. All kinds of thing can distress children. I can't understand why some people have resolutely ignored the fact that the McCanns were perfectly happy to submit their children to those risks and to accept that they might be upset for up to thirty minutes without anyone there to comfort them.

In my opinion occupying the moral high ground includes showing concern at the way those children were abandoned to cope alone with anything which might have upset them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 05, 2021, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 05, 2021, 12:20:52 PM
What's the opposite?  Condoning neglect? That makes you morally superior does it?
No, you are are twisting my words.  I have never condoned child neglect, just as I have not spent 14 years berating the McCanns for their alleged “neglect”.  It is possible to recognise someone has done wrong or made a bad decision and yet not feel the need to constantly harp on about it for years and years and years on social media. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 05, 2021, 12:49:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 12:45:03 PM
That is indeed one of the things that some people find inexplicable. The claim by Kate McCann that it felt safe was her explanation for not expecting an abduction, but she never addressed or explained why she ignored the reasons why most people don't leave small children home alone in an unlocked apartment.

Most people stay home or use a babysitter because of those other reasons;

Cholic. Vomiting. Sore nappies. Coughing. Choking. Bad dreams. Overheating. All kinds of thing can distress children. I can't understand why some people have resolutely ignored the fact that the McCanns were perfectly happy to submit their children to those risks and to accept that they might be upset for up to thirty minutes without anyone there to comfort them.

In my opinion occupying the moral high ground includes showing concern at the way those children were abandoned to cope alone with anything which might have upset them.
So you think you occupy the moral high ground then and feel it’s important to keep on reminding us of your superiority?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 05, 2021, 12:49:52 PM
So you think you occupy the moral high ground then and feel it’s important to keep on reminding us of your superiority?

I don't think G Unit understands what the moral high ground is.  But it certainly doesn't include bristling with indignation for 14 years for a mistake for which The McCanns will never forgive themselves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 05, 2021, 01:06:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
I don't think G Unit understands what the moral high ground is.  But it certainly doesn't include bristling with indignation for 14 years for a mistake for which The McCanns will never forgive themselves.

Nor should they - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 05, 2021, 01:11:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 05, 2021, 01:06:43 PM
Nor should they - IMO
whether they do or not is none of your business- IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 05, 2021, 01:06:43 PM
Nor should they - IMO

I would certainly not forgive myself.  But then I never even dreamed about an abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 05, 2021, 02:07:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 12:45:03 PM
That is indeed one of the things that some people find inexplicable. The claim by Kate McCann that it felt safe was her explanation for not expecting an abduction, but she never addressed or explained why she ignored the reasons why most people don't leave small children home alone in an unlocked apartment.

Most people stay home or use a babysitter because of those other reasons;

Cholic. Vomiting. Sore nappies. Coughing. Choking. Bad dreams. Overheating. All kinds of thing can distress children. I can't understand why some people have resolutely ignored the fact that the McCanns were perfectly happy to submit their children to those risks and to accept that they might be upset for up to thirty minutes without anyone there to comfort them.

In my opinion occupying the moral high ground includes showing concern at the way those children were abandoned to cope alone with anything which might have upset them.

It's possible to feel sympathy for both the parents and the children.  On this forum I've seen more sympathy for the paedophile rapist than for the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 05, 2021, 02:07:15 PM
It's possible to feel sympathy for both the parents and the children.  On this forum I've seen more sympathy for the paedophile rapist than for the McCanns

So have I.  Very strange is that.  If this is the moral high ground then who wants it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 02:19:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 05, 2021, 12:49:52 PM
So you think you occupy the moral high ground then and feel it’s important to keep on reminding us of your superiority?

I wouldn't dream of claiming I was more moral than others. I just find it fascinating that those who believe in and support the McCanns don't seem to spare a thought for three children left to look after themselves for five evenings. Expecially when it's reported that those children cried during those times, and there was no-one there to offer care and comfort.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 02:19:34 PM
I wouldn't dream of claiming I was more moral than others. I just find it fascinating that those who believe in and support the McCanns don't seem to spare a thought for three children left to look after themselves for five evenings. Expecially when it's reported that those children cried during those times, and there was no-one there to offer care and comfort.

How many times are they known to have cried while they were alone?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 05, 2021, 03:56:00 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 05, 2021, 12:20:52 PM
What's the opposite?  Condoning neglect? That makes you morally superior does it?


Then their hope is CB did it, hmmm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 05:56:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
How many times are they known to have cried while they were alone?

Isn't once one time too many?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 05:56:09 PM
Isn't once one time too many?

We aren't even sure if The McCanns were out at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 05, 2021, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2021, 03:56:00 PM

Then their hope is CB did it, hmmm.

No-one hopes that Brueckner had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.  Sometimes evidence may be distasteful ~ do you suppose that is a reason for ignoring its existence and not investigating it with every tool in the box.

At least your nasty post appears to acknowledge that Brueckner is a nasty creature and it took someone nasty to take Madeleine away from all that she knew and loved and all who knew and loved her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 05, 2021, 06:14:01 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 05, 2021, 06:12:37 PM
No-one hopes that Brueckner had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.  Sometimes evidence may be distasteful ~ do you suppose that is a reason for ignoring its existence and not investigating it with every tool in the box.

At least your nasty post appears to acknowledge that Brueckner is a nasty creature and it took someone nasty to take Madeleine away from all that she knew and loved and all who knew and loved her.

Got under your skin it seems, so that tough exterior is all sham.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 06:18:16 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2021, 06:14:01 PM
Got under your skin it seems, so that tough exterior is all sham.

It's called caring.  And there's no need to be rude about that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 05, 2021, 06:30:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 06:18:16 PM
It's called caring.  And there's no need to be rude about that.

You have the mistaken belief I care.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 06:37:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2021, 06:30:45 PM
You have the mistaken belief I care.

No I don't.  I wasn't applying that compliment to you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 05, 2021, 07:25:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 02:19:34 PM
I wouldn't dream of claiming I was more moral than others. I just find it fascinating that those who believe in and support the McCanns don't seem to spare a thought for three children left to look after themselves for five evenings. Expecially when it's reported that those children cried during those times, and there was no-one there to offer care and comfort.
You are claiming moral superiority with this post and all. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 05, 2021, 07:31:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 05:56:09 PM
Isn't once one time too many?
What do you think happens to a child who cried once in the night but who wasn’t immediately comforted by their parents? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 05, 2021, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2021, 06:14:01 PM
Got under your skin it seems, so that tough exterior is all sham.
It seems you’re admitting to trolling with that post IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 06, 2021, 06:59:17 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 05, 2021, 06:37:50 PM
No I don't.  I wasn't applying that compliment to you.
I was commenting on that my posts are considered rude by you,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on May 06, 2021, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 05, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
A friend of ours was there on the day and told us that it was police incompetence which caused the disaster. The Sun believed and publicised what the police told them however. I was somewhat surprised that Liverpudlian Kate McCann appeared to have a close relationship with that rag.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/why-the-sun-is-hated-by-liverpool-fans-banned-in-many-places/2hrhnj5tch2r1ae7tllvac6fb#:~:text=The%20Sun's%20notoriety%20related%20to,refuse%20to%20pick%20it%20up.

the whole thing is on  youtube i just watched it the police lied when they  said  the supporters knocked down the fences  and were  drunk and hooligans    etc  when it  was   the police who opened the gates   and made the  crush alot   worse   and from i gather  the sun at the time went  along with the  polices version?? it proves you cant trust the media  we all know  how much the sun newspaper adore the mcanns dont     we
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 13, 2021, 05:53:59 AM
Hans Christian Wolters -

'We have always insisted that the man we identified as the main suspect is the man we believe committed the crime and we are not looking for anyone else. I am optimistic that we will solve this case.'

New circumstantial evidence collected by the BKA...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9573237/Police-probing-Madeleine-McCann-case-dramatic-new-evidence-against-Christian-Brueckner.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9573237/Police-probing-Madeleine-McCann-case-dramatic-new-evidence-against-Christian-Brueckner.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 13, 2021, 06:04:29 AM
Quote from: Myster on May 13, 2021, 05:53:59 AM
Hans Christian Wolters -

'We have always insisted that the man we identified as the main suspect is the man we believe committed the crime and we are not looking for anyone else. I am optimistic that we will solve this case.'

New circumstantial evidence collected by the BKA...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9573237/Police-probing-Madeleine-McCann-case-dramatic-new-evidence-against-Christian-Brueckner.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9573237/Police-probing-Madeleine-McCann-case-dramatic-new-evidence-against-Christian-Brueckner.html)
A reconstruction of the night in question ?, wonder if uncle Tom Cobley an all will be in it, to be any worth they will, or treat the story with caution, it's in the brit rags after all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on May 13, 2021, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: Myster on May 13, 2021, 05:53:59 AM
Hans Christian Wolters -

'We have always insisted that the man we identified as the main suspect is the man we believe committed the crime and we are not looking for anyone else. I am optimistic that we will solve this case.'

New circumstantial evidence collected by the BKA...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9573237/Police-probing-Madeleine-McCann-case-dramatic-new-evidence-against-Christian-Brueckner.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9573237/Police-probing-Madeleine-McCann-case-dramatic-new-evidence-against-Christian-Brueckner.html)
"German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has now revealed that new evidence has been gathered in recent days, though he declined to reveal specifics."  That is the annoying bit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 13, 2021, 09:25:08 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 13, 2021, 06:04:29 AM
A reconstruction of the night in question ?, wonder if uncle Tom Cobley an all will be in it, to be any worth they will, or treat the story with caution, it's in the brit rags after all.

I don't quite get what they're supposed to be reconstructing.
Brueckner talking on his phone for half hour?
Or have they suddenly conjured up an eye witness who saw him abducting Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 13, 2021, 09:56:21 AM
Oh dear. Just as McCann issue a statement about  'hang on to hope, however small' , Wolters dashes it with new statement about hoping to charge by end of summer.
We have always insisted that the man we identified as the main suspect is the man we believe committed the crime and we are not looking for anyone else. I am optimistic that we will solve this case.'

Ah well, such is life.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 13, 2021, 10:07:04 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 13, 2021, 06:04:29 AM
A reconstruction of the night in question ?, wonder if uncle Tom Cobley an all will be in it, to be any worth they will, or treat the story with caution, it's in the brit rags after all.

The source of this story is Nick Pisa, the one who says the McCanns owe Amaral £750,000 compensation. If this story is as factual as that one a reconstruction isn't going to happen imo.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14937774/madeleine-mccann-cops-new-evidence-christian-b/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 13, 2021, 05:18:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 13, 2021, 10:07:04 AM
The source of this story is Nick Pisa, the one who says the McCanns owe Amaral £750,000 compensation. If this story is as factual as that one a reconstruction isn't going to happen imo.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14937774/madeleine-mccann-cops-new-evidence-christian-b/

Personally, I think Nick Pisa might do well to head towards reporting on obscure sports competitions, or reorient his career towards house-to-house sales, or something.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 13, 2021, 06:22:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 13, 2021, 10:07:04 AM
The source of this story is Nick Pisa, the one who says the McCanns owe Amaral £750,000 compensation. If this story is as factual as that one a reconstruction isn't going to happen imo.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14937774/madeleine-mccann-cops-new-evidence-christian-b/

Not forgetting although it wasn't the sun, CB was to be charged with the rape of the Irish woman, which Wolters denied a couple of days later, the brit rags are making it up as they go along.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 13, 2021, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 13, 2021, 06:22:34 PM
Not forgetting although it wasn't the sun, CB was to be charged with the rape of the Irish woman, which Wolters denied a couple of days later, the brit rags are making it up as they go along.
Given you clearly have nothing but contempt for the MSM and don’t believe a word of anything they report why do you bother keeping such a close eye on it and rush to bring us their latest articles on the case the moment they appear?  Seriously, if it wasn’t for people posting them on here I’d know nothing about them, as I tend to get my news from the BBC and the Times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 13, 2021, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 13, 2021, 06:41:54 PM
Given you clearly have nothing but contempt for the MSM and don’t believe a word of anything they report why do you bother keeping such a close eye on it and rush to bring us their latest articles on the case the moment they appear?  Seriously, if it wasn’t for people posting them on here I’d know nothing about them, as I tend to get my news from the BBC and the Times.

Did I bring the last ones in, if you don't like it, don't read the thread, nothing of note is going to happen, CB will fade into obscurity having never been charged save to have the legend writ about him, doing for Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 13, 2021, 06:51:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 13, 2021, 06:47:04 PM
Did I bring the last ones in, if you don't like it, don't read the thread, nothing of note is going to happen, CB will fade into obscurity having never been charged save to have the legend writ about him, doing for Madeleine.
Yes dear, if you say so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 13, 2021, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 13, 2021, 06:22:34 PM
Not forgetting although it wasn't the sun, CB was to be charged with the rape of the Irish woman, which Wolters denied a couple of days later, the brit rags are making it up as they go along.

I do wonder why no one in authority  takes the Tabloids to task over things like this, but I suppose no one is sufficiently interested in exposing fake news.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 13, 2021, 06:56:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 13, 2021, 06:53:18 PM
I do wonder why no one in authority  takes the Tabloids to task over things like this, but I suppose no one is sufficiently interested in exposing fake news.
The McCanns were and got scorn heaped on them from some quarter for taking the media to task.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 14, 2021, 09:34:47 AM
Quote from: jassi on May 13, 2021, 06:53:18 PM
I do wonder why no one in authority  takes the Tabloids to task over things like this, but I suppose no one is sufficiently interested in exposing fake news.

Confession: before the Madeleine case, I hadn't really integrated that describing a paper as a tabloid wasn't just a reference to the size of the paper it was printed on. They simply didn't constitute my normal reading material, aside from occasionally skimming through whatever someone may have left behind.

For a short while, I simply thought that they used a sensationalistic approach to news reporting, but that common guidelines were in place to ensure that at least what was being conveyed as fact was, indeed, fact. However, aside from the odd detail that serendipitously turned out to be accurate, little else was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 16, 2021, 08:24:46 PM
Back to phone data, clearly nothing startling, notice could, not will.

The Sun Online now understands this relates to phone records that could throw fresh light on his movements around Praia Da Luz at the time Maddie went missing.

“For a long time German officers have said many key pieces of the jigsaw were missing about Christian B‘s movements in the Algarve,” a source said.

“This new information may help provide one of those pieces.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14973862/madeleine-mccann-evidence-revealed-suspects-phone/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 16, 2021, 08:38:59 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 16, 2021, 08:24:46 PM
Back to phone data, clearly nothing startling, notice could, not will.

The Sun Online now understands this relates to phone records that could throw fresh light on his movements around Praia Da Luz at the time Maddie went missing.

“For a long time German officers have said many key pieces of the jigsaw were missing about Christian B‘s movements in the Algarve,” a source said.

“This new information may help provide one of those pieces.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14973862/madeleine-mccann-evidence-revealed-suspects-phone/

Which implies that many key pieces are still going to be missing.

Long way to go yet, it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 16, 2021, 08:42:30 PM
The most important part of this story to me is.. If it's true... The Germsns will lay out everything they have on CB at the meeting
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 16, 2021, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 16, 2021, 08:38:59 PM
Which implies that many key pieces are still going to be missing.

Long way to go yet, it would seem.
They appear to be making progress which must come as a disappointment to many.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 17, 2021, 06:11:05 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 16, 2021, 10:03:41 PM
They appear to be making progress which must come as a disappointment to many.
Far from it, only one man was seen carrying a child matching a description  close to that of Madeleine McCann on the night of 3/05/2007, good old Smithman, Wolters knows it all hinges on that night.Also from where did the BKA get the phone records, yep the original investigation, that's if there's any truth to the story in the brit rags.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 07:06:10 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 17, 2021, 06:11:05 AM
Far from it, only one man was seen carrying a child matching a description  close to that of Madeleine McCann on the night of 3/05/2007, good old Smithman, Wolters knows it all hinges on that night.Also from where did the BKA get the phone records, yep the original investigation, that's if there's any truth to the story in the brit rags.
If there’s any truth to the latest reports the Germans are making progress.  You can deny it and keep on repeating your tired old mantras but it doesn’t make you right. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 17, 2021, 07:30:52 AM
Sceptics will not accept any suspect because they cannot accept the dogs did not alert to cadaver odour in 5a... They cannot accept Grime was wrong... Imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 07:58:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 17, 2021, 07:30:52 AM
Sceptics will not accept any suspect because they cannot accept the dogs did not alert to cadaver odour in 5a... They cannot accept Grime was wrong... Imo

You may well believe that Eddie did not alert to cadaver odour in 5A, but you certainly can't prove it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 08:00:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 07:58:43 AM
You may well believe that Eddie did not alert to cadaver odour in 5A, but you certainly can't prove it.
If the Germans are right and proven right it will be interesting to see how Grime’s supporters will explain the alerts.  I suspect they will never accept that the Germans have been proven right so firmly entrenched is their belief in the dogs. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 17, 2021, 08:06:36 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 07:58:43 AM
You may well believe that Eddie did not alert to cadaver odour in 5A, but you certainly can't prove it.

I don't have to..It can't be proved it was either.  However I think many would agree the alert to CC was ridiculous

Even the PJ watching had doubts about the alerts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 08:26:52 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 17, 2021, 08:06:36 AM
I don't have to..It can't be proved it was either.  However I think many would agree the alert to CC was ridiculous

Even the PJ watching had doubts about the alerts

So we should all accept what you say because you think you're right? But you can't prove it, so you might be wrong. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 17, 2021, 08:31:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 08:26:52 AM
So we should all accept what you say because you think you're right? But you can't prove it, so you might be wrong.
I'm not sure why you think I expect everyone to agree with what I say.. I'm not really bothered. I f Wolters has concrete evidence of death I'm wondering what explanation sceptics and grime will come up with
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 09:07:59 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 17, 2021, 08:31:07 AM
I'm not sure why you think I expect everyone to agree with what I say.. I'm not really bothered. I f Wolters has concrete evidence of death I'm wondering what explanation sceptics and grime will come up with

Because you said "the dogs did not alert to cadaver odour in 5a." as if you were speaking of a fact which 'sceptics' should accept.

When Wolter's evidence is revealed we will be able to judge it's concreteness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: carlymichelle on May 17, 2021, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 09:07:59 AM
Because you said "the dogs did not alert to cadaver odour in 5a." as if you were speaking of a fact which 'sceptics' should accept.

When Wolter's evidence is revealed we will be able to judge it's concreteness.

no one tells me   what i think  or dont think im sure your the  same too 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 09:23:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 09:07:59 AM
Because you said "the dogs did not alert to cadaver odour in 5a." as if you were speaking of a fact which 'sceptics' should accept.

When Wolter's evidence is revealed we will be able to judge it's concreteness.
Davel clearly stated this was his opinion, as per forum rules.  He did not instruct you to accept his opinion as fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 17, 2021, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 09:07:59 AM
Because you said "the dogs did not alert to cadaver odour in 5a." as if you were speaking of a fact which 'sceptics' should accept.

When Wolter's evidence is revealed we will be able to judge it's concreteness.

You need to read the whole sentence and you will see that you are wrong. If I said sceptics cannot accept Wolters has concrete evidence....that isnt stating as  a fact he has concrete evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 17, 2021, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 17, 2021, 09:23:07 AM
Davel clearly stated this was his opinion, as per forum rules.  He did not instruct you to accept his opinion as fact.

it seems some posters have problems with comprehension and that their interpretation of a post is the only one.I find it quite  aridiculous idea that I should be seen a strying to tell posters what to think
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 09:57:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 16, 2021, 08:42:30 PM
The most important part of this story to me is.. If it's true... The Germsns will lay out everything they have on CB at the meeting
“It recently emerged German cops have new leads on Christian B. The Sun Online now understands this relates to phone records that could throw fresh light on his movements around Praia Da Luz at the time Maddie went missing”.
I wonder if this could have reference to Mr Wolters’ first public appeal in 2020 to identify the user of the number (+351) 916 510 683? Perhaps someone has come forward and the owner of the number has been identified, thus the reference to ‘new leads’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: carlymichelle on May 17, 2021, 09:21:27 AM
no one tells me   what i think  or dont think im sure your the  same too

I think we've made that very clear time and time again, and yet people still state their opinions as if they were facts. Why would anyone, sceptic or not, accept the statement that "the dogs did not alert to cadaver odour in 5A" without evidence of it's correctness? Similarly, why would anyone accept that Wolters has concrete evidence of anything without knowing what the heck he actually has?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 17, 2021, 10:34:57 AM
Quote from: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 09:57:19 AM
“It recently emerged German cops have new leads on Christian B. The Sun Online now understands this relates to phone records that could throw fresh light on his movements around Praia Da Luz at the time Maddie went missing”.
I wonder if this could have reference to Mr Wolters’ first public appeal in 2020 to identify the user of the number (+351) 916 510 683? Perhaps someone has come forward and the owner of the number has been identified, thus the reference to ‘new leads’.

I think you well may be right. Hopefully they can track his movements on the days around the 3 rd
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2021, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 10:25:00 AM
I think we've made that very clear time and time again, and yet people still state their opinions as if they were facts. Why would anyone, sceptic or not, accept the statement that "the dogs did not alert to cadaver odour in 5A" without evidence of it's correctness? Similarly, why would anyone accept that Wolters has concrete evidence of anything without knowing what the heck he actually has?

You yourself are quite good at what you accuse others of doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 16, 2021, 08:42:30 PM
The most important part of this story to me is.. If it's true... The Germsns will lay out everything they have on CB at the meeting

As it was from an anonymous 'source' I doubt it's truthfulness. It seems to me that the Germans are not getting the wholehearted support of Operation Grange, and have a lot to do to convince the PJ;

It is no secret that relations between the German and Portuguese teams haven’t been great.

“The feeling among Portuguese officers is that Christian B isn’t the man who took Maddie.

“And they’ve long been concerned about some of the public statements the Germans have made.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14973862/madeleine-mccann-evidence-revealed-suspects-phone/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 10:55:32 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 17, 2021, 06:11:05 AM
Far from it, only one man was seen carrying a child matching a description  close to that of Madeleine McCann on the night of 3/05/2007, good old Smithman, Wolters knows it all hinges on that night.Also from where did the BKA get the phone records, yep the original investigation, that's if there's any truth to the story in the brit rags.

There was one man seen directly outside apartment 5A carrying a child away from it on the night Madeleine vanished.  How long was it before anyone dreamed about a smithman
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 17, 2021, 07:06:10 AM
If there’s any truth to the latest reports the Germans are making progress.  You can deny it and keep on repeating your tired old mantras but it doesn’t make you right.

Just emphasises how blinkered it is possible to become.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 17, 2021, 07:30:52 AM
Sceptics will not accept any suspect because they cannot accept the dogs did not alert to cadaver odour in 5a... They cannot accept Grime was wrong... Imo

I think it was Eddie who was wrong.

We know it from his exploits in Luz and we know it from his exploits in Jersey.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 11:06:54 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 07:58:43 AM
You may well believe that Eddie did not alert to cadaver odour in 5A, but you certainly can't prove it.

There are those who believe that Eddie also alerted to cadaver odour in Haute de la Garenne which has been proved wrong.

There was no missing child there and never had been.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 09:57:19 AM
“It recently emerged German cops have new leads on Christian B. The Sun Online now understands this relates to phone records that could throw fresh light on his movements around Praia Da Luz at the time Maddie went missing”.
I wonder if this could have reference to Mr Wolters’ first public appeal in 2020 to identify the user of the number (+351) 916 510 683? Perhaps someone has come forward and the owner of the number has been identified, thus the reference to ‘new leads’.

I believe it has been announced that a tripartite meeting of the three National police forces investigating Madeleine's disappearance is to take place in Luz and that a witness will be involved as part of this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 10:25:00 AM
I think we've made that very clear time and time again, and yet people still state their opinions as if they were facts. Why would anyone, sceptic or not, accept the statement that "the dogs did not alert to cadaver odour in 5A" without evidence of it's correctness? Similarly, why would anyone accept that Wolters has concrete evidence of anything without knowing what the heck he actually has?

We know that Eddie alerted.  But no-one has any idea what exactly it was to - including his owner - and contrary to popular belief I think Eddie was capable of telling huge porkies.  He proved it often enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 17, 2021, 11:22:36 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 10:41:35 AM
As it was from an anonymous 'source' I doubt it's truthfulness. It seems to me that the Germans are not getting the wholehearted support of Operation Grange, and have a lot to do to convince the PJ;

It is no secret that relations between the German and Portuguese teams haven’t been great.

“The feeling among Portuguese officers is that Christian B isn’t the man who took Maddie.

“And they’ve long been concerned about some of the public statements the Germans have made.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14973862/madeleine-mccann-evidence-revealed-suspects-phone/
SY and the Germsns are working very very closely together..
The Portuguese will be deverely embarrassed if CB is the culprit... According to GA the PJ knocked on his door and he wasn't in so difnt pursue it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2021, 11:30:31 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 11:19:35 AM
We know that Eddie alerted.  But no-one has any idea what exactly it was to - including his owner - and contrary to popular belief I think Eddie was capable of telling huge porkies.  He proved it often enough.

I actually feel quite sorry for Eddie.  Someone tried to teach him too many tricks in the process of self promotion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 17, 2021, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 17, 2021, 11:22:36 AM
SY and the Germsns are working very very closely together..
The Portuguese will be deverely embarrassed if CB is the culprit... According to GA the PJ knocked on his door and he wasn't in so difnt pursue it

Another of your 'fact'?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 17, 2021, 11:22:36 AM
SY and the Germsns are working very very closely together..
The Portuguese will be deverely embarrassed if CB is the culprit... According to GA the PJ knocked on his door and he wasn't in so difnt pursue it

OG are running a missing person inquiry and the Germans are running a murder inquiry. Do you think the Garmans will be seriously embarrased if CB is not the culprit?

Which door did the PJ knock on? I thought CB was homeless by 3rd May 2007.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 11:36:27 AM
It seems to me that feathers have been ruffled in the sceptic camp this morning.  It seems to me that many of them simply detest the idea that the German investigation may have taken a step closer to understanding what happened to Madeleine especially if it's one step further away from locking up the parents.  This is my opinion, no one is forcing you to accept it btw.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 17, 2021, 11:37:37 AM
Quote from: jassi on May 17, 2021, 11:30:50 AM
Another of your 'fact'?

It's a quote from Cressida Dick... So I think it qualifies as a fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
OG are running a missing person inquiry and the Germans are running a murder inquiry. Do you think the Garmans will be seriously embarrased if CB is not the culprit?

Which door did the PJ knock on? I thought CB was homeless by 3rd May 2007.
Ask Amaral, he said it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 17, 2021, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 17, 2021, 11:37:37 AM
It's a quote from Cressida Dick... So I think it qualifies as a fact

If you attributed it to her in the first place, you wouldn't need a later clarification post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 17, 2021, 12:07:49 PM
If you attributed it to her in the first place, you wouldn't need a later clarification post.
Nose put out of joint much?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 17, 2021, 12:16:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
OG are running a missing person inquiry and the Germans are running a murder inquiry. Do you think the Garmans will be seriously embarrased if CB is not the culprit?

Which door did the PJ knock on? I thought CB was homeless by 3rd May 2007.

So if SY are running a missing person enqiry then they have the remit so they will looking for a live madfie who wsd abducted and will ignore any other line of enquiry
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 17, 2021, 12:21:37 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 17, 2021, 12:07:49 PM
If you attributed it to her in the first place, you wouldn't need a later clarification post.

I assume as it's been discussed several times here you would be aware of it.. ..I fo like highlighting others lack of knowledge
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 12:28:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
OG are running a missing person inquiry and the Germans are running a murder inquiry. Do you think the Garmans will be seriously embarrased if CB is not the culprit?

Which door did the PJ knock on? I thought CB was homeless by 3rd May 2007.

Amaral is the direct source for that one ... are you suggesting he got it wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 12:41:56 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 12:28:52 PM
Amaral is the direct source for that one ... are you suggesting he got it wrong.

You sound surprised that I might not support everything Amaral said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 17, 2021, 10:34:57 AM
I think you well may be right. Hopefully they can track his movements on the days around the 3 rd
Especially his movements after the 3rd, I think Davel. For instance, positioning his phone in the areas of Foral and Sao Bartolomeu Messinas. Perhaps triangulation reveals his incoming/outgoing calls to e.g Seyferth, Busching, Tatschl , collated with their recent statements re. Brückner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 12:49:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 12:41:56 PM
You sound surprised that I might not support everything Amaral said.
What is it you are in denial about here.  Is Amaral mistaken that the judicial police knocked on Brueckner's door and he didn't answer?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 12:50:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 11:14:49 AM
I believe it has been announced that a tripartite meeting of the three National police forces investigating Madeleine's disappearance is to take place in Luz and that a witness will be involved as part of this.
Yes, Brietta. I think it may well be M Seyferth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 12:52:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 17, 2021, 11:30:50 AM
Another of your 'fact'?
Incorrect. Cressida Dick actually said so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2021, 12:59:16 PM

It never was about just one phone call.  There will have been others.  Unless Brueckner didn't speak to anyone else at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 12:49:51 PM
What is it you are in denial about here.  Is Amaral mistaken that the judicial police knocked on Brueckner's door and he didn't answer?

I don't see how they could knock on his door as he doesn't seem to have had one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 17, 2021, 01:17:58 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 12:52:31 PM
Incorrect. Cressida Dick actually said so.

So Davel was kind enough to explain - when prompted.  ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 01:15:56 PM
I don't see how they could knock on his door as he doesn't seem to have had one.
You seem to be suggesting that Amaral lied about this - are you?  Furthermore are you suggesting that at the time he was sleeping rough?  Do you have a cite?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 01:51:16 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 17, 2021, 01:17:58 PM
So Davel was kind enough to explain - when prompted.  ?{)(**
👍🏻
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 01:15:56 PM
I don't see how they could knock on his door as he doesn't seem to have had one.

I think he had plenty of doors if anyone had bothered looking for them ... starting with his van.  Other itinerants living in vans were questioned and as Amaral has shown Brueckner's was particularly noticeable as a result of its cartoon character decoration.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2021, 02:32:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 02:25:30 PM
I think he had plenty of doors if anyone had bothered looking for them ... starting with his van.  Other itinerants living in vans were questioned and as Amaral has shown Brueckner's was particularly noticeable as a result of its cartoon character decoration.

Oh do come on.  That was a lie for starters, long with the dreadlocks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 03:13:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 12:41:56 PM
You sound surprised that I might not support everything Amaral said.
You support the view that he solved the investigation in 2007, no?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 17, 2021, 06:37:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 17, 2021, 07:06:10 AM
If there’s any truth to the latest reports the Germans are making progress.  You can deny it and keep on repeating your tired old mantras but it doesn’t make you right.

What do you think could be more startling than having concrete evidence CB murdered Madeleine without laying charges. Smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 06:41:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 17, 2021, 02:32:55 PM
Oh do come on.  That was a lie for starters, long with the dreadlocks.

If some of the past whoppers he mouthed on about at length were believed as they were - I think the potential was there for people to believe that one.

Amaral never thought for a minute that a video filmed just before Madeleine disappeared would turn up.  Which showed no cartoons painted on the camper van which Brueckner was driving while sporting a short back and sides hair cut.
The game was a bogey for Amaral from then on in 🤔
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 07:02:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 17, 2021, 06:37:11 PM
What do you think could be more startling than having concrete evidence CB murdered Madeleine without laying charges. Smoke and mirrors.
You know as well as I do that it’s possible to have strong circumstantial evidence which still isn’t enough to make charges stick, or perhaps you don’t know this...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 07:37:20 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 02:25:30 PM
I think he had plenty of doors if anyone had bothered looking for them ... starting with his van.  Other itinerants living in vans were questioned and as Amaral has shown Brueckner's was particularly noticeable as a result of its cartoon character decoration.

Searchers spoke to people in vans parked within the area they were searching, but not those parked outside Luz as far as I know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 07:37:20 PM
Searchers spoke to people in vans parked within the area they were searching, but not those parked outside Luz as far as I know.
Where was Hewlett parked?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 17, 2021, 08:11:30 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 07:39:08 PM
Where was Hewlett parked?


When?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 08:13:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 07:37:20 PM
Searchers spoke to people in vans parked within the area they were searching, but not those parked outside Luz as far as I know.
Why would you think either Brueckner's van or another vehicle connected to him sat around in Luz after the third of May?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 17, 2021, 08:11:30 PM

When?
During the Portuguese investigation, of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 17, 2021, 08:21:09 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 08:19:33 PM
During the Portuguese investigation, of course.

That's quite a long time period.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 17, 2021, 08:21:09 PM
That's quite a long time period.
They only spent one week physically looking for Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 08:38:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 17, 2021, 08:11:30 PM

When?
“Hewlett was said to be an hour's drive up the coast in May 2007, living on a campsite with his wife and six children in a blue Dodge truck, which detectives would still like to trace. He later moved the family to a camp ground in Morocco. Hewlett, who has been imprisoned three times in the UK for sex offences, is one of 38 paedophiles known to have been - or still be - in the Algarve when Madeleine vanished”.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191094/Paedophile-Raymond-Hewlett-admits-I-saw-Madeleine-McCann-twice-disappeared.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 17, 2021, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 08:38:58 PM
“Hewlett was said to be an hour's drive up the coast in May 2007, living on a campsite with his wife and six children in a blue Dodge truck, which detectives would still like to trace. He later moved the family to a camp ground in Morocco. Hewlett, who has been imprisoned three times in the UK for sex offences, is one of 38 paedophiles known to have been - or still be - in the Algarve when Madeleine vanished”.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191094/Paedophile-Raymond-Hewlett-admits-I-saw-Madeleine-McCann-twice-disappeared.html

So you knew the answer all the time  ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 09:32:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 17, 2021, 08:43:26 PM
So you knew the answer all the time  ?{)(**
Indeed. Your predictable response confirms your inability/unwillingness to do your own research. My opinion. By the way, my initial question was not primarily directed at you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 08:13:08 PM
Why would you think either Brueckner's van or another vehicle connected to him sat around in Luz after the third of May?

I didn't. I've no idea where either he or his van were. I don't even know why we're talking about vans being searched. Do you think Amaral was referring to the PJ knocking on van doors?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2021, 10:19:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2021, 10:13:26 PM
I didn't. I've no idea where either he or his van were. I don't even know why we're talking about vans being searched. Do you think Amaral was referring to the PJ knocking on van doors?
He didn’t specify the type of doors upon which he alleges his officers knocked in their search for Madeleine McCann but he DID say they knocked on one belonging to CB but there was no answer so that was that. Is he lying do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 18, 2021, 08:05:21 AM
I take all refusals to answer my questions  as acquiescence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 18, 2021, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 09:32:36 PM
Indeed. Your predictable response confirms your inability/unwillingness to do your own research. My opinion. By the way, my initial question was not primarily directed at you.

I don't do so called research.
Strange as it may seem, I'm content to let the real detectives get on with the job, while I observe from the sidelines.

As an open forum, members can contribute as and when it suits - which is what I do.
If you don't like my contributions, then there is always the ignore button.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 18, 2021, 08:05:21 AM
I take all refusals to answer my questions  as acquiescence.

Repeating what he was told?

'I have been told by colleagues, who are retired like me, that they had come knocking on the door. That person was not at home.' Amaral said.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 18, 2021, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 09:26:32 AM
Repeating what he was told?

'I have been told by colleagues, who are retired like me, that they had come knocking on the door. That person was not at home.' Amaral said.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html
Oh right - so he was nothing to do with the investigation in the early days and wouldn't have known that local paedos, crooks and criminals like CB were being investigated by his colleagues until many years later, right you are then. 
It sounds to me like he's making it up as he goes along frankly. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 18, 2021, 09:43:03 AM
So - either Amaral was not privy to the investigations into local criminal element on his doorstep as part of the wider investigation into Madeleine's disappearance (why not?) and was told about it later by his ex colleagues who were either telling the truth (that they knocked on CB's door and gave up when no one answered) or were lying to Amaral for reasons best known to themselves
OR
Amaral DID know about investigations into the local paedos and crooks, knew that CB was a person of interest and that his door was knocked on at the time, and is lying in his interview about only being told about it by his ex-colleagues  years after the event. 

Crikey it's complicated, the web of deceit and deflection being woven about it. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 18, 2021, 09:43:03 AM
So - either Amaral was not privy to the investigations into local criminal element on his doorstep as part of the wider investigation into Madeleine's disappearance (why not?) and was told about it later by his ex colleagues who were either telling the truth (that they knocked on CB's door and gave up when no one answered) or were lying to Amaral for reasons best known to themselves
OR
Amaral DID know about investigations into the local paedos and crooks, knew that CB was a person of interest and that his door was knocked on at the time, and is lying in his interview about only being told about it by his ex-colleagues  years after the event. 

Crikey it's complicated, the web of deceit and deflection being woven about it.

I don't know when, where or why they allegedly knocked and to be honest I don't really care. All I do know is that no-one has ever said exactly where he was living on 3rd May 2007 imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 18, 2021, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
I don't know when, where or why they allegedly knocked and to be honest I don't really care. All I do know is that no-one has ever said exactly where he was living on 3rd May 2007 imo.

The phone data
Quote from: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
I don't know when, where or why they allegedly knocked and to be honest I don't really care. All I do know is that no-one has ever said exactly where he was living on 3rd May 2007 imo.

Maybe the  phone data Wolters has could go someway to answer that question.  As I said some time ago wolters may well be establishing where he was around that time
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 18, 2021, 10:07:23 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
I don't know when, where or why they allegedly knocked and to be honest I don't really care. All I do know is that no-one has ever said exactly where he was living on 3rd May 2007 imo.
You don't really care about the lies and deceit in the PJ?  We have it from the horse's arse that the PJ knew sbout CB's criminal activities, knew where he lived,  and knocked on his door but you don't accept this.   Why not? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 10:59:52 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 18, 2021, 10:07:23 AM
You don't really care about the lies and deceit in the PJ?  We have it from the horse's arse that the PJ knew sbout CB's criminal activities, knew where he lived,  and knocked on his door but you don't accept this.   Why not?

I have no idea whether the PJ told lies and sought to deceive people. I'm surprised that you seem to be giving so much credence to the words of a man you have shown no sign of believing previously. Also, you seem to have confused which end of a horse you should be referring to imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 18, 2021, 11:12:46 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 10:59:52 AM
I have no idea whether the PJ told lies and sought to deceive people. I'm surprised that you seem to be giving so much credence to the words of a man you have shown no sign of believing previously. Also, you seem to have confused which end of a horse you should be referring to imo.
I don't think I am at all confused actually, nor am I giving any credence to Amaral's oral droppings, as I outlined above - someone is lying, but who?  The guy with the track record in spouting crap on TV (to wit - CB had dreadlocks and drove a van covered in cartoon graffiti at the time Madeleine disappeared) or the organisation he once represented?  You don't really seem to care either way which is strange IMO, especially as you seem to be of the opinion that this man solved the case back in 2007 - why would he feel the need to tell so many lies about CB if that is the case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: Anthro on May 17, 2021, 12:48:08 PM
Especially his movements after the 3rd, I think Davel. For instance, positioning his phone in the areas of Foral and Sao Bartolomeu Messinas. Perhaps triangulation reveals his incoming/outgoing calls to e.g Seyferth, Busching, Tatschl , collated with their recent statements re. Brückner.

As far as I know no mobile phone records from the areas of Foral and Sao Bartolomeu Messinas were requested by the police at the time. Records were requested only for those masts covering Praia da Luz.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MOBILE_PHONE_ANALYSIS.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 18, 2021, 11:12:46 AM
I don't think I am at all confused actually, nor am I giving any credence to Amaral's oral droppings, as I outlined above - someone is lying, but who?  The guy with the track record in spouting crap on TV (to wit - CB had dreadlocks and drove a van covered in cartoon graffiti at the time Madeleine disappeared) or the organisation he once represented?  You don't really seem to care either way which is strange IMO, especially as you seem to be of the opinion that this man solved the case back in 2007 - why would he feel the need to tell so many lies about CB if that is the case?

Bolded text; way off the mark.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 18, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 11:27:26 AM
Bolded text; way off the mark.
Again - I don't think so.  You liked a post by another poster (who incidentally stated it as fact) that Amaral solved the case in 2007.  Perhaps you can explain why you liked this post which breached forum rules, particularly if you believe this claim is "way off the mark".  Bet you can't but nicely deflected from the rest of my post.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11870.msg636033#msg636033
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 18, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
Again - I don't think so.  You liked a post by another poster (who incidentally stated it as fact) that Amaral solved the case in 2007.  Perhaps you can explain why you liked this post which breached forum rules, particularly if you believe this claim is "way off the mark".  Bet you can't but nicely deflected from the rest of my post.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11870.msg636033#msg636033

So in your opinion people only like posts if they agree with their content? I like posts for a variety reasons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on May 18, 2021, 12:28:49 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2021, 11:19:35 AM
We know that Eddie alerted.  But no-one has any idea what exactly it was to - including his owner - and contrary to popular belief I think Eddie was capable of telling huge porkies.  He proved it often enough.

The problem with Eddie was that he alerted to too much.  Not so with the GNR sniffer dogs though and that is why I go with the woke, wandered and was lifted theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 18, 2021, 01:43:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 12:28:18 PM
So in your opinion people only like posts if they agree with their content? I like posts for a variety reasons.
What reason did you have for liking that post then and why didn’t you demand an IMO was added to it by the author?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 03:00:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 18, 2021, 01:43:25 PM
What reason did you have for liking that post then and why didn’t you demand an IMO was added to it by the author?

If I was interested in sharing I would have done it by now.

I wonder what this reconstruction that is being spoken of will be like? Is Praia da Luz going to be overrun by German police I wonder, as it was by British police in 2014? I can't imagine the locals or the tourists taking kindly to yet more disruption.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 18, 2021, 03:05:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 09:26:32 AM
Repeating what he was told?

'I have been told by colleagues, who are retired like me, that they had come knocking on the door. That person was not at home.' Amaral said.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html

He was all over the airwaves at the time pushing his interpretation of events as he sought to undermine the German investigation into Bruekner.

He knew what he was about ... the emergence of the German prime suspect made mincemeat of his well publicised theories.  I don't think he is coping well with that particularly with his career as a pundit on all things Madeleine likely to take a savage hit.


José Alberto Carvalho: Very well. Gonçalo Amaral, at the time, one can now understand, and I wanted to ask you this: Christian Brueckner was one of the people who came to be identified as one of the people of interest for the investigation at the time, as far as it was reported there were 6… 600 people or over time it was accumulated 600 people time who could be of interest for the investigation…

Gonçalo Amaral: A lot of diligences within the process, surveys were done...

JAC: Was Christian Brueckner one of those 600 people or not?

GA: Only rereading the whole process finding...

JAC: You have no memory of that?

GA: I have been told that yes, that there went there knocking on the door, colleagues who are retired like me and who said that the person was not at home. But there were hundreds...

JAC: But, that is, but it must have been...

GA: They were in the hundreds, as, and not only of that type of typology but above all paedophiles...

JAC: But note one thing Gonçalo Amaral, the, the question that is here... but the question that is here is...

GA: It could have been theft, we also...

JAC: We know that he served a sentence...

GA: …did a survey of burglars, namely burglary in apartments, and apparently this man was not in the list of apartment burglaries, he will have stolen…

JAC: Fuel...

GA: Yes, fuel.

JAC: Yes, but now what is known about... apparently what is known about this man is truly worrying, about... from various points of view...

GA: It's like I say, an almost perfect suspect...

JAC: But, but... but it is known that he has a long record of sexual crimes...

GA: Hmmm, hmmm.

JAC: …that in contrary to seem to be other such criminals, who do not have a particular fixation on a certain age, there are, there are apparently random behaviours, moreover he is sentenced for the rape of an American tourist…

GA: What I heard...

JAC: …75 years old at, at… the rape happened…

GA: Yes...

JAC: …at Praia da Luz…

GA: Yes, yes...

JAC: You know also... anyway, I would like to... that is, what I would like to understand is if he was investigated and if... why did the interest in him disappear, or if he was never taken seriously, with the information that was there at the time?

GA: You know... the, the information there was about paedophiles was only that they were paedophiles and people who were close to the village and as José Alberto said, they are in the hundreds and it is not possible to investigate each one in detail. Going further, I remember that, for example, we reached Albufeira… Albufeira [60Km East of PdL] and Tavira [120 km East of PdL] and so on, and investigations cannot be done that way…

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, but wait, this rape of this American tourist...

GA:… and note, and note, what if…

JAC: ...was two years before Madeleine's disappearance...

GA: …what if… say again?

JAC: The rape of the 72 year old American tourist, I said 75…

GA: When was it communicated in terms to the PJ?

JAC: When was it?

GA: I don't know (shrugs)...

JAC: No... I don't know...

GA: I didn’t know of it at the time.

JAC: There was no… no, if… the lady filed a complaint…

GA: We, for example, I can tell you...

JAC: ...the lady made a complaint...

GA: Where?

JAC: (…)

GA: When?

AC: (…)

GA: Yes, in terms of the PJ, in terms of knowing... and if we are looking for a paedophile...

JAC: Because this man...

GA: …or are we looking for a, a, a rapist of adults?

JAC: No, no, no... of course...

GA: I remind you...

JAC: ...but it happened two, two years earlier and he, he is now being held in a German prison, exactly serving a sentence, for this crime... this is the crime that led him to, now, to prison. And then it was possible...

GA: And he was identified much later...

JAC: He was identified in 2018...

AC: (…)

GA: Yes, in terms of the PJ, in terms of knowing... and if we are looking for a paedophile...

JAC: Because this man...

GA: …or are we looking for a, a, a rapist of adults?

JAC: No, no, no... of course...

GA: I remind you...

JAC: ...but it happened two, two years earlier and he, he is now being held in a German prison, exactly serving a sentence, for this crime... this is the crime that led him to, now, to prison. And then it was possible...

GA: And he was identified much later...

JAC: He was identified in 2018...

GA: Well ... there it is, so in 2007 he wasn't identified.

JAC: …based on 2 evidences… based on two essential evidences….

GA: In 2007 he was not identified.

JAC: ...but there is hair that was found on the victim's bed...

GA: Yes...

JAC: …victim of the rape that was preserved and that now has allowed to update and make a match, make the…

GA: Yes. But that's another investigation, not the…

JAC: Certainly.

GA: ...Maddie case, it's another investigation ...

JAC: But it turns out that this man, who stayed in the Algarve and in that region for some time, it is how this is explained)… this is how, how I try to understand, the photographs that were released by the German police about the houses, the places , vehicles, etc ... and I would also like to hear you about this, about, about these... this exercise from the German police which is to appeal to the memory of someone with some details very... I don't know if they are subtle, no... but, anyway, with some details and, and… do the photographs tell you something, for example, be it of the houses or of the vehicles that the German police revealed?

GA: I think the appeal serves what it serves, because for example the motorhome was removed, it was taken from Portugal to Germany to be examined, so from there...
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 18, 2021, 03:08:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 18, 2021, 09:43:03 AM
So - either Amaral was not privy to the investigations into local criminal element on his doorstep as part of the wider investigation into Madeleine's disappearance (why not?) and was told about it later by his ex colleagues who were either telling the truth (that they knocked on CB's door and gave up when no one answered) or were lying to Amaral for reasons best known to themselves
OR
Amaral DID know about investigations into the local paedos and crooks, knew that CB was a person of interest and that his door was knocked on at the time, and is lying in his interview about only being told about it by his ex-colleagues  years after the event. 

Crikey it's complicated, the web of deceit and deflection being woven about it.

I think that might be hitting the nail directly on the head.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 18, 2021, 03:09:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 03:00:02 PM
If I was interested in sharing I would have done it by now.

I wonder what this reconstruction that is being spoken of will be like? Is Praia da Luz going to be overrun by German police I wonder, as it was by British police in 2014? I can't imagine the locals or the tourists taking kindly to yet more disruption.

The most important thing is that the case is solved... I see other peoples feelings as secondary
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 18, 2021, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 18, 2021, 03:00:02 PM
If I was interested in sharing I would have done it by now.

I wonder what this reconstruction that is being spoken of will be like? Is Praia da Luz going to be overrun by German police I wonder, as it was by British police in 2014? I can't imagine the locals or the tourists taking kindly to yet more disruption.
A most disingenuous response, as expected.  I think it’s as plain as the nose on your face that you liked Spam’s post because you agreed with it - there can be no other logical explanation no matter how much you try to pretend there is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 18, 2021, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 18, 2021, 03:09:56 PM
The most important thing is that the case is solved... I see other peoples feelings as secondary
Indeed.  I can imagine some people feeling very aggrieved at any efforts to try and solve this case now the penny has finally dropped and it’s quite clear the McCanns are not suspects and not under investigation. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 18, 2021, 03:17:58 PM
Quote from: John on May 18, 2021, 12:28:49 PM
The problem with Eddie was that he alerted to too much.  Not so with the GNR sniffer dogs though and that is why I go with the woke, wandered and was lifted theory.

I think the problem was that Eddie and Keela were brought in far too late in the day.  I believe they were on standby and ready to go in the early days, but the offer was rejected.

I think the GNR dogs and their handlers did excellent work ... I wish I knew what it was that they alerted to in the apartment that wasn't accessed immediately.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 18, 2021, 04:19:50 PM
https://wochenblatt.cc/mutmasslicher-madeleine-mccann-moerder-war-teil-des-paedophilen-netzwerkes-zudem-deutscher-aus-concepcion-gehoerte/

Suspected Madeleine McCann murderer was part of the pedophile network which belonged to Germans from Concepción

Written on May 18, 2021 in news
 
Asunción: According to Police Commissioner Nimio Cardozo, from the anti-kidnapping unit, Paraguay helped with the investigation into finding Madeleine McCann. The alleged Madeleine McCann killer was part of the Boystown pedophile network.

In Paraguay, key elements and big data have been seized from an international pedophile network that is believed to be behind the probable death of the girl who has been wanted since 2007.

The suspected murderer of the British girl, Christian Brückner, is said to have been part of the pedophile network, which was administered by, among others, Christian Manfred Kruse, who was arrested a month ago on the banks of the Rio Ypané in Belén, Concepción and charged with child pornography.

The anti-kidnapping unit chief confirmed that he spoke to various agencies yesterday, including speaking to prosecutor Irma Llano, “and there are elements, we believe, that Paraguayan security agencies are using one way or another to resolve Madeleine McCann's case could contribute. ”However, more precise statements could only be made if the German authorities allow this.

The British girl Madeleine Beth McCann, often called Maddie in the media, disappeared from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007 and has been missing ever since. The Portuguese police stopped the investigation after 14 months, but resumed it five years later. The British police opened their own investigations in 2011. The case became known worldwide through the search activities of their parents Kate and Gerald McCann and the continued media coverage.

The Federal Criminal Police Office announced in June 2020 that a 43-year-old German sex offender who is in custody has been identified as a suspect. The man who lived in the Algarve in 2007 is under investigation. The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office confirmed in September 2020 that there was evidence that Madeleine McCann was dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 18, 2021, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 18, 2021, 04:19:50 PM
https://wochenblatt.cc/mutmasslicher-madeleine-mccann-moerder-war-teil-des-paedophilen-netzwerkes-zudem-deutscher-aus-concepcion-gehoerte/

Suspected Madeleine McCann murderer was part of the pedophile network which belonged to Germans from Concepción

Written on May 18, 2021 in news
 
Asunción: According to Police Commissioner Nimio Cardozo, from the anti-kidnapping unit, Paraguay helped with the investigation into finding Madeleine McCann. The alleged Madeleine McCann killer was part of the Boystown pedophile network.

In Paraguay, key elements and big data have been seized from an international pedophile network that is believed to be behind the probable death of the girl who has been wanted since 2007.

The suspected murderer of the British girl, Christian Brückner, is said to have been part of the pedophile network, which was administered by, among others, Christian Manfred Kruse, who was arrested a month ago on the banks of the Rio Ypané in Belén, Concepción and charged with child pornography.

The anti-kidnapping unit chief confirmed that he spoke to various agencies yesterday, including speaking to prosecutor Irma Llano, “and there are elements, we believe, that Paraguayan security agencies are using one way or another to resolve Madeleine McCann's case could contribute. ”However, more precise statements could only be made if the German authorities allow this.

The British girl Madeleine Beth McCann, often called Maddie in the media, disappeared from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007 and has been missing ever since. The Portuguese police stopped the investigation after 14 months, but resumed it five years later. The British police opened their own investigations in 2011. The case became known worldwide through the search activities of their parents Kate and Gerald McCann and the continued media coverage.

The Federal Criminal Police Office announced in June 2020 that a 43-year-old German sex offender who is in custody has been identified as a suspect. The man who lived in the Algarve in 2007 is under investigation. The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office confirmed in September 2020 that there was evidence that Madeleine McCann was dead.

I like this bit -

"In Paraguay, key elements and big data have been seized from an international pedophile network that is believed to be behind the probable death of the girl who has been wanted since 2007."

Nothing like hedging your bets
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 18, 2021, 05:10:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 18, 2021, 04:32:55 PM
I like this bit -

"In Paraguay, key elements and big data have been seized from an international pedophile network that is believed to be behind the probable death of the girl who has been wanted since 2007."

Nothing like hedging your bets
If the paper had reported it as a fact you’d still be jeering so...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 18, 2021, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 18, 2021, 04:19:50 PM
https://wochenblatt.cc/mutmasslicher-madeleine-mccann-moerder-war-teil-des-paedophilen-netzwerkes-zudem-deutscher-aus-concepcion-gehoerte/

Suspected Madeleine McCann murderer was part of the pedophile network which belonged to Germans from Concepción

Written on May 18, 2021 in news
 
Asunción: According to Police Commissioner Nimio Cardozo, from the anti-kidnapping unit, Paraguay helped with the investigation into finding Madeleine McCann. The alleged Madeleine McCann killer was part of the Boystown pedophile network.

In Paraguay, key elements and big data have been seized from an international pedophile network that is believed to be behind the probable death of the girl who has been wanted since 2007.

The suspected murderer of the British girl, Christian Brückner, is said to have been part of the pedophile network, which was administered by, among others, Christian Manfred Kruse, who was arrested a month ago on the banks of the Rio Ypané in Belén, Concepción and charged with child pornography.

The anti-kidnapping unit chief confirmed that he spoke to various agencies yesterday, including speaking to prosecutor Irma Llano, “and there are elements, we believe, that Paraguayan security agencies are using one way or another to resolve Madeleine McCann's case could contribute. ”However, more precise statements could only be made if the German authorities allow this.

The British girl Madeleine Beth McCann, often called Maddie in the media, disappeared from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007 and has been missing ever since. The Portuguese police stopped the investigation after 14 months, but resumed it five years later. The British police opened their own investigations in 2011. The case became known worldwide through the search activities of their parents Kate and Gerald McCann and the continued media coverage.

The Federal Criminal Police Office announced in June 2020 that a 43-year-old German sex offender who is in custody has been identified as a suspect. The man who lived in the Algarve in 2007 is under investigation. The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office confirmed in September 2020 that there was evidence that Madeleine McCann was dead.

That is horrendous.  As many have suspected it provides the rational for the time being taken for investigators to find the evidence with which to pull these cases together.

Although Madeleine's case is much of the catalyst ~ it is far bigger than she ~ Inge ~ Joanna and thousands named and unnamed children who have been used and abused by these monsters.

It is for future children.

For the simple reason that as fast as one cell is eradicated another springs up to take its place.  It is indeed the stuff of nightmares and anyone who thinks it isn't worthwhile to root these animals out has something fundamentally wrong with them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 18, 2021, 09:10:26 PM
But no abduction and murder of Madeleine.

EXCLUSIVE: Convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner is being investigated over the rape of an Irish woman on the Algarve, a sex assault on a 10-year-old girl on a beach in Portugal and the abuse of four children at a festival

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-24135981
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 18, 2021, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 18, 2021, 04:32:55 PM
I like this bit -

"In Paraguay, key elements and big data have been seized from an international pedophile network that is believed to be behind the probable death of the girl who has been wanted since 2007."

Nothing like hedging your bets
Jassi, as a ‘non-researcher’ by your own admission, your contribution seems to be a veiled attempt to discredit any other contribution by other members to the Forum. This is my own opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 19, 2021, 07:18:28 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 18, 2021, 09:43:03 AM
So - either Amaral was not privy to the investigations into local criminal element on his doorstep as part of the wider investigation into Madeleine's disappearance (why not?) and was told about it later by his ex colleagues who were either telling the truth (that they knocked on CB's door and gave up when no one answered) or were lying to Amaral for reasons best known to themselves
OR
Amaral DID know about investigations into the local paedos and crooks, knew that CB was a person of interest and that his door was knocked on at the time, and is lying in his interview about only being told about it by his ex-colleagues  years after the event. 

Crikey it's complicated, the web of deceit and deflection being woven about it.

The truth might lie somewhere in the middle. It's possible that GNR officers simply mused that one of the houses / vans on which they knocked could have been his.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 19, 2021, 09:27:51 AM
Quote from: Anthro on May 18, 2021, 09:18:17 PM
Jassi, as a ‘non-researcher’ by your own admission, your contribution seems to be a veiled attempt to discredit any other contribution by other members to the Forum. This is my own opinion.

No comment on the actual post, just a rather feeble attack on the poster.

Sure that must be against the rules  - not that it bothers me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 19, 2021, 09:35:29 AM
Quote from: jassi on May 19, 2021, 09:27:51 AM
No comment on the actual post, just a rather feeble attack on the poster.

Sure that must be against the rules  - not that it bothers me.
Anthro's comment was a critique of your posts not of you personally, and it's one I happen to agree with. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 19, 2021, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: Carana on May 19, 2021, 07:18:28 AM
The truth might lie somewhere in the middle. It's possible that GNR officers simply mused that one of the houses / vans on which they knocked could have been his.
The truth is always somewhat difficult to grasp when Amaral is involved I find.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 19, 2021, 10:25:02 AM
In the media today:
They urge to take cautious cooperation in Madeleine case
MAY 19, 2021 - 02:00

Detention. Christian Manfred Kruse was arrested in Bethlehem
The clarification of the case of the British girl Madeleine McCann, who disappeared in 2007, could be thanks to a Paraguayan cooperation, but the investigators urge to take this with caution.

The arrest of Christian Manfred Kruse (58), the German citizen who was captured in Belén, Concepción, could be key to reaching those responsible for the girl's disappearance.

Commissioner Jorge Olmedo, from the Police Anti-kidnapping Department, who participated in that operation, indicated that versions were heard that the German could be linked to the Madeleine case, but anticipated that there is a lot of data that still has to be corroborated.

The version that the uniformed men handle is that Kruse would have participated in the kidnapping of the girl.

The German's arrest was the result of work that had the help of German policemen and that in our country was led by prosecutor Irma Llano.

The man was wanted in three countries internationally, since he handled at least four pages of child pornography, was in charge of advising pedophiles from all over the world and decided who was part of the network, as well as accepting or rejecting sexual content.

In the case of Belén, a platform was discovered where there were 400,000 members, and sources consulted by ÚH say that all the material seized in the operation must first be analyzed.

THE CASE. Madeleine disappeared 14 years ago, when she was in a hotel in Portugal, spending the holidays with her family. It was May 3, 2007 and since then the follow-up of the case became a puzzle.

Her parents Gerry and Kate McCann are campaigning around the world to try to get to the truth in this case.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, who is leading the investigation in Germany, claims that the police are convinced that the girl died in Portugal.

The investigation indicates that the girl was murdered after a kidnapping that occurred in the room where she slept in the rented place to spend her vacations.

During these years of investigation, the version that the girl was brought to Paraguay was also mentioned.

This was said by the private investigator of British origin Miraz Ullah Ali Isa, who was in our country, but this version was discarded by the Police.
https://www.ultimahora.com/instan-tomar-cautela-cooperacion-caso-madeleine-n2941542.html
(Section in bold is my own emphasis.)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 19, 2021, 10:25:30 AM
Quote from: Carana on May 19, 2021, 07:18:28 AM
The truth might lie somewhere in the middle. It's possible that GNR officers simply mused that one of the houses / vans on which they knocked could have been his.

I think that's probably the most likely explanation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 19, 2021, 10:57:30 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 19, 2021, 10:25:30 AM
I think that's probably the most likely explanation.
And I wonder what the most likely explanation is for Amaral going onto Portuguese TV to tell his expectant public that CB had dreadlocks and a van graffiti'ed at the time of Madeleine's disappearance?  I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation which no one has bothered to put forward yet...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 19, 2021, 11:15:32 AM
Given that, as yet, there appears to be no connection between Kruse , Brueckner and Madeleine, it seems wise for police to be cautious.

Interestingly, Wolters recently said that the weren't looking at anyone other than Brueckner in connection with Madeleine

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 19, 2021, 12:11:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 19, 2021, 11:15:32 AM
Given that, as yet, there appears to be no connection between Kruse , Brueckner and Madeleine, it seems wise for police to be cautious.

Interestingly, Wolters recently said that the weren't looking at anyone other than Brueckner in connection with Madeleine

IMO
I think Wolters has evidence of thr connection.  It may be that CB acted alone but shared a video with others
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 19, 2021, 12:36:03 PM
In the absence of verifiable  information, one can only surmise what the situation might be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 19, 2021, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 19, 2021, 12:36:03 PM
In the absence of verifiable  information, one can only surmise what the situation might be.

I see statements made by Wolters.. Live and in English... Verifiable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 19, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 19, 2021, 12:58:27 PM
I see statements made by Wolters.. Live and in English... Verifiable

Yes, but he doesn't really say anything, other than 'he believes'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 19, 2021, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 19, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
Yes, but he doesn't really say anything, other than 'he believes'.

Yes he does.. He says we have concrete evidence that Maddie is dead and that CB murdered her.  He says anyone who knew the evidence would agree with him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 19, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 19, 2021, 10:57:30 AM
And I wonder what the most likely explanation is for Amaral going onto Portuguese TV to tell his expectant public that CB had dreadlocks and a van graffiti'ed at the time of Madeleine's disappearance?  I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation which no one has bothered to put forward yet...

That has perplexed me since Amaral's frantic posturing with his photographs on Portuguese TV was spectacularly turned right around and debunked with when the video showing the true version of what Brueckner's van looked like as well as what he looked like.

Amaral promoted with a vengeance the misleading misinformation he was spreading.  I for one would like to hear his innocent explanation for doing that.

Not only was he interfering in an active police investigation - he was attempting to utterly derail it.  WOW!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 19, 2021, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 19, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
That has perplexed me since Amaral's frantic posturing with his photographs on Portuguese TV was spectacularly turned right around and debunked with when the video showing the true version of what Brueckner's van looked like as well as what he looked like.

Amaral promoted with a vengeance the misleading misinformation he was spreading.  I for one would like to hear his innocent explanation for doing that.

Not only was he interfering in an active police investigation - he was attempting to utterly derail it.  WOW!
I’m sure one of his apologists will explain it all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 19, 2021, 02:59:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 19, 2021, 01:58:50 PM
I’m sure one of his apologists will explain it all.

I mentioned my concern at the time the lie blew the lid off Amaral's allegations and on occasion since.  Not a single word has been posted suggesting an explanation of any kind. 👀
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 19, 2021, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 19, 2021, 02:59:44 PM
I mentioned my concern at the time the lie blew the lid off Amaral's allegations and on occasion since.  Not a single word has been posted suggesting an explanation of any kind. 👀

Perhaps others aren't so Amaral obsessed as you? Also, the only person who can explain is the man himself imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 19, 2021, 05:00:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 19, 2021, 03:56:45 PM
Perhaps others aren't so Amaral obsessed as you? Also, the only person who can explain is the man himself imo.
Define obsessed?  How “obsessed” are you by statements given by the McCanns and their friends, and by Kate’s book by comparison?  If yours is (say) a 7 what is Brietta’s Amaral obsession by comparison?   Isn’t accusing others of being obsessed ever so slightly ad hominem?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 19, 2021, 05:06:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 19, 2021, 03:56:45 PM
Perhaps others aren't so Amaral obsessed as you? Also, the only person who can explain is the man himself imo.

Do you remember your post about criticising posters... You continually do it... Might be s good idea to take your own advice.  I don't see Brietta as obsessed with amaral... He has made himself an integral part of the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 19, 2021, 05:07:20 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 19, 2021, 02:59:44 PM
I mentioned my concern at the time the lie blew the lid off Amaral's allegations and on occasion since.  Not a single word has been posted suggesting an explanation of any kind. 👀
Obviously it’s ok it question every sideways glance and nose rub if it’s a McCann but question great big fibs told by the ex cop once in charge of the case and you’re labelled obsessed.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 20, 2021, 06:17:18 AM
Paedophile Christian Kruse's filthy laptop...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-smash-vile-global-paedophile-24144392 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-smash-vile-global-paedophile-24144392)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 20, 2021, 07:16:01 AM
Quote from: Myster on May 20, 2021, 06:17:18 AM
Paedophile Christian Kruse's filthy laptop...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-smash-vile-global-paedophile-24144392 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-smash-vile-global-paedophile-24144392)
That laptop l
is aboout years old by the look of it, amazing it still works - I need a new one every 3 or 4 years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 20, 2021, 07:28:38 AM
So more discussion Re images /videos
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 20, 2021, 07:31:10 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 20, 2021, 07:16:01 AM
That laptop l
is aboout years old by the look of it, amazing it still works - I need a new one every 3 or 4 years.
Disgusting unmentionable crud on the outside just like his mangey beard and dirty toenails.  Wouldn't like to imagine what's on the hard drive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 20, 2021, 08:12:22 AM
Quote from: Myster on May 20, 2021, 07:31:10 AM
Disgusting unmentionable crud on the outside just like his mangey beard and dirty toenails.  Wouldn't like to imagine what's on the hard drive.
Yes, utterly gross.  I had a nightmare last night that was triggered by this man I think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2021, 10:57:54 AM
Is there any confirmed connection between this Kruse guy's network and Bruckner? Or is just the tabloids capitalising on her name again?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 20, 2021, 11:00:42 AM
Quote from: Carana on May 20, 2021, 10:57:54 AM
Is there any confirmed connection between this Kruse guy's network and Bruckner? Or is just the tabloids capitalising on her name again?

I think the latter, but I'm sure others will disagree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 20, 2021, 01:21:14 PM
Quote from: Carana on May 20, 2021, 10:57:54 AM
Is there any confirmed connection between this Kruse guy's network and Bruckner? Or is just the tabloids capitalising on her name again?
There is this - I doubt the tabloid made this quote up

Commissioner Nimio Cardozo, of the Paraguay police anti-kidnap section, said: “There are elements, we believe, whereby our security agencies could contribute to clarifying the Madeleine case.

“We are continuing work on trying to help resolve it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on May 20, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 20, 2021, 01:21:14 PM
There is this - I doubt the tabloid made this quote up

Commissioner Nimio Cardozo, of the Paraguay police anti-kidnap section, said: “There are elements, we believe, whereby our security agencies could contribute to clarifying the Madeleine case.

“We are continuing work on trying to help resolve it.

Anything for a news story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 20, 2021, 01:50:11 PM
Quote from: John on May 20, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
Anything for a news story.
Are you suggesting that the Mirror invented that quote?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on May 20, 2021, 02:23:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 20, 2021, 01:50:11 PM
Are you suggesting that the Mirror invented that quote?

Newspapers primary role is to make money for their owners, news is only a secondary concern.  The more sensational the story the more interest it draws, true or fake.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2021, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 19, 2021, 10:25:30 AM
I think that's probably the most likely explanation.

If so, hardly what one could describe as a thorough investigation of someone who was in the vicinity at the time (phone records), had a criminal record in PT for theft, had been extradited twice back to Germany by the time Amaral was interviewed on TV for the dreadlocks show (although only once prior to her disappearance, but related to a child abuse case), had residences close to where both children Joana and Madeleine disappeared, various un- or under-investigated cases of sexual abuse of adults and children....

Althouth Bruckner had numerous convictions for drug peddling in Germany, I haven't found anything so far for any in the Algarve. Did Bruckner stop all the time he was there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 20, 2021, 02:33:18 PM
Quote from: Carana on May 20, 2021, 02:23:23 PM
If so, hardly what one could describe as a thorough investigation of someone who was in the vicinity at the time (phone records), had a criminal record in PT for theft, had been extradited twice back to Germany by the time Amaral was interviewed on TV for the dreadlocks show (although only once prior to her disappearance, but related to a child abuse case), had residences close to where both children Joana and Madeleine disappeared, various un- or under-investigated cases of sexual abuse of adults and children....

Althouth Bruckner had numerous convictions for drug peddling in Germany, I haven't found anything so far for any in the Algarve. Did Bruckner stop all the time he was there?


Maybe he just didn't get caught.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 20, 2021, 02:51:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 19, 2021, 10:25:30 AM
I think that's probably the most likely explanation.

It doesn't quite fit the bill when measured against the wrecking ball publicly launched by Amaral against the present German investigation.

There has to be an explanation for that. As time progresses and with what we always knew about the darkness associated with the crime against Madeleine and the other children who were attacked - I think Amaral might well find himself having to explain his conduct to the appropriate people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 20, 2021, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 20, 2021, 02:23:16 PM
Newspapers primary role is to make money for their owners, news is only a secondary concern.  The more sensational the story the more interest it draws, true or fake.
Are you suggesting that the quote attributed to a named Police Inspector from Paraguay which has been reproduced in newspapers the world over is wholly fictitious?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 20, 2021, 06:33:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 20, 2021, 02:23:16 PM
Newspapers primary role is to make money for their owners, news is only a secondary concern.  The more sensational the story the more interest it draws, true or fake.

Off topic but relevant to the role in news.

The supposed impartial BBC is not above using subterfuge for an interview.

An independent inquiry by Lord Dyson, a former senior judge, found journalist Martin Bashir used deception to secure the interview and then lied to BBC managers.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-57163815
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 20, 2021, 07:07:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 20, 2021, 02:51:15 PM
It doesn't quite fit the bill when measured against the wrecking ball publicly launched by Amaral against the present German investigation.

There has to be an explanation for that. As time progresses and with what we always knew about the darkness associated with the crime against Madeleine and the other children who were attacked - I think Amaral might well find himself having to explain his conduct to the appropriate people.

Who are these appropriate people, I wonder?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 20, 2021, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 20, 2021, 07:07:33 PM
Who are these appropriate people, I wonder?


the Media for one who he has been telling for 14 yrs taht the mccanns covered up MMs death....if hes proved wrong he certailnly owes an explanation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 20, 2021, 07:59:10 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 20, 2021, 07:26:05 PM

the Media for one who he has been telling for 14 yrs taht the mccanns covered up MMs death....if hes proved wrong he certailnly owes an explanation


You think that likely?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 20, 2021, 08:57:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 20, 2021, 07:59:10 PM

You think that likely?

Very
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 20, 2021, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 20, 2021, 07:26:05 PM

the Media for one who he has been telling for 14 yrs taht the mccanns covered up MMs death....if hes proved wrong he certailnly owes an explanation

Doesn't he believe that Brueckner is being fitted up as a fall guy? He probably won't accept Brueckner's guilt even if the Germans try him and find him guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 20, 2021, 09:46:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 20, 2021, 01:21:14 PM
There is this - I doubt the tabloid made this quote up

Commissioner Nimio Cardozo, of the Paraguay police anti-kidnap section, said: “There are elements, we believe, whereby our security agencies could contribute to clarifying the Madeleine case.

“We are continuing work on trying to help resolve it.
Perhaps the phone number who called Brückner’s number on 3 May, belongs to Christian Kruse? For two reasons: the caller was not in the region as stated by Mr Wolters; and the appeal for the owner of that number could have been discovered since the appeal in 2020? My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 20, 2021, 10:07:40 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 20, 2021, 09:46:27 PM
Perhaps the phone number who called Brückner’s number on 3 May, belongs to Christian Kruse? For two reasons: the caller was not in the region as stated by Mr Wolters; and the appeal for the owner of that number could have been discovered since the appeal in 2020? My opinion.

The caller was not in the region of the mast which showed the call, but it was a Portuguese mobile phone in Portugal imo. So it was Kruse only if he was in Portugal with a burner phone on 3rd May 2007 imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 20, 2021, 10:28:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 20, 2021, 09:17:05 PM
Doesn't he believe that Brueckner is being fitted up as a fall guy? He probably won't accept Brueckner's guilt even if the Germans try him and find him guilty.
I think all those who have claimed cipriano is guilty because the court said so won't accept a guilty verdict on CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 21, 2021, 06:23:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 20, 2021, 07:26:05 PM

the Media for one who he has been telling for 14 yrs taht the mccanns covered up MMs death....if hes proved wrong he certailnly owes an explanation

He'll probably say that if only he hadn't been taken off the case, he'd have come to the same conclusion (as whatever turns out to be the outcome).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 21, 2021, 08:19:24 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 20, 2021, 10:07:40 PM
The caller was not in the region of the mast which showed the call, but it was a Portuguese mobile phone in Portugal imo. So it was Kruse only if he was in Portugal with a burner phone on 3rd May 2007 imo.
Indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: Carana on May 21, 2021, 06:23:09 AM
He'll probably say that if only he hadn't been taken off the case, he'd have come to the same conclusion (as whatever turns out to be the outcome).

There was significant political interference in the case by the British government, something that should never be tolerated in any criminal investigation.

Amaral would have brought this case to a conclusion had he been supported by the Portuguese judicial hierarchy. Instead however, they cowered under the sheets the moment the British bulldog barked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 21, 2021, 10:41:45 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 10:39:59 AM
There was significant political interference in the case by the British government, something that should never be tolerated in any criminal investigation.

I don't see any political interference. I see it brought up as an excuse for the PJs poor investigation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 21, 2021, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 10:39:59 AM
There was significant political interference in the case by the British government, something that should never be tolerated in any criminal investigation.

Amaral would have brought this case to a conclusion had he been supported by the Portuguese judicial hierarchy. Instead however, they cowered under the sheets theiment the British bulldog barked.

IMO.. Amaral hadn't got a clue because he misunderstood the evidence. You yourself have said Maddie didn't die in the apartment
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 21, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
The only progress made is due to the McCanns appeal on German TV. We even have the Paraguayan police involved noe
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 21, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
The only progress made is due to the McCanns appeal on German TV. We even have the Paraguayan police involved noe

What progress?  All I can see is straw grasping and continued attempts to blame everyone else for parents neglect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 21, 2021, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 10:58:45 AM
What progress?  All I can see is straw grasping and continued attempts to blame everyone else for parents neglect.

I see progress...I think based on what Wolters has said.. He may well have proof that Maddie died at the hands of a paedophile but not proof it was CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 21, 2021, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 10:58:45 AM
What progress?  All I can see is straw grasping and continued attempts to blame everyone else for parents neglect.
You think the Germans are going after CB to deflect from the parents' neglect??  Wow, that really is some world wide conspiracy protecting those McCanns!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 21, 2021, 11:47:39 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 10:39:59 AM
There was significant political interference in the case by the British government, something that should never be tolerated in any criminal investigation.

Amaral would have brought this case to a conclusion had he been supported by the Portuguese judicial hierarchy. Instead however, they cowered under the sheets the moment the British bulldog barked.

My analysis is, erm, somewhat different to yours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 11:57:03 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 21, 2021, 11:39:11 AM
You think the Germans are going after CB to deflect from the parents' neglect??  Wow, that really is some world wide conspiracy protecting those McCanns!

I agree with Goncalo. The Germans have nothing of any significance, Bruckner was already investigated by the Portuguese.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 21, 2021, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 11:57:03 AM
I agree with Goncalo. The Germans have nothing of any significance, Bruckner was already investigated by the Portuguese.

GA doesn't have a clue what the germans have... And he has afaik said CB has not been investigated... That they knocked on his door but he wasn't in
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 21, 2021, 12:04:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 21, 2021, 11:39:11 AM
You think the Germans are going after CB to deflect from the parents' neglect??  Wow, that really is some world wide conspiracy protecting those McCanns!

Not only the Germans but the Paraguayans now... Who have said they have information but can't release it without the Germans permission
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 21, 2021, 12:04:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 11:57:03 AM
I agree with Goncalo. The Germans have nothing of any significance, Bruckner was already investigated by the Portuguese.

According to whom?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 21, 2021, 12:00:54 PM
GA doesn't have a clue what the germans have... And he has afaik said CB has not been investigated... That they knocked on his door but he wasn't in

Amaral will always have the huge advantage that he was there on the scene and worked the case live whereas all these new investigators have nothing to go on but historical documentation. He looked into the eyes of the numerous suspects whereas the Germans have only Bruckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 21, 2021, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 12:27:25 PM
Amaral will always have the huge advantage that he was there on the scene and worked the case live whereas all these new investigators have nothing to go on but historical documentation. He looked into the eyes of the numerous suspects whereas the Germans have only Bruckner.

Amaral missed four burglars whose pinging phones were found by Scotland Yard.  If he missed one burglar and paedophile whose number was also in the phone dump - how many others did he miss?

As far as I can see the only investigative forensic work carried out on the available phone information was concentrated solely on Murat and the McCanns and their friends.

Amaral has written chapter and verse a masterclass in exactly how not to conduct an investigation. The Germans seem to be showing how it should be done and getting results for cases that the Portuguese just haven't bothered with.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 21, 2021, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 11:57:03 AM
I agree with Goncalo. The Germans have nothing of any significance, Bruckner was already investigated by the Portuguese.
Oh, was that when they knocked on his door and he wasn't in?  Very thorough I'm sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 21, 2021, 01:31:04 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 21, 2021, 12:27:25 PM
Amaral will always have the huge advantage that he was there on the scene and worked the case live whereas all these new investigators have nothing to go on but historical documentation. He looked into the eyes of the numerous suspects whereas the Germans have only Bruckner.
You don't know what the Germans have to go on but I'm sure it's not historical information but new evidence. As far as I'm concerned Amaral was totally inept and was looking in the wrong place
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 01:51:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 19, 2021, 01:58:50 PM
I’m sure one of his apologists will explain it all.

I think you will find VS no one on here apologises for GA.

I think it is rather more apologists for the mccs actions on here.....as being responsible parents in some eyes.

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do.... but was halted in his quest to do so

The mccs failed to do the job they should have done...responsible for Maddie's safety and well being that she should have had from responsable parents.

no brainer really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 23, 2021, 02:53:19 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 01:51:24 PM
I think you will find VS no one on here apologises for GA.

I think it is rather more apologists for the mccs actions on here.....as being responsible parents in some eyes.

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do.... but was halted in his quest to do so

The mccs failed to do the job they should have done...responsible for Maddie's safety and well being that she should have had from responsable parents.

no brainer really.

Problem was Amaral did his job badly and I think the McCanns should not have left their children so did their job badly....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 23, 2021, 02:53:19 PM
Problem was Amaral did his job badly and I think the McCanns should not have left their children so did their job badly....


Well we know the mccs decision to leave their children turned out badly.

But, what GA would have accumplished ...we will now never know

IMO he was a thorn in too many sides it seems...to carry on his job. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 23, 2021, 04:05:51 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 01:51:24 PM
I think you will find VS no one on here apologises for GA.

I think it is rather more apologists for the mccs actions on here.....as being responsible parents in some eyes.

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do.... but was halted in his quest to do so

The mccs failed to do the job they should have done...responsible for Maddie's safety and well being that she should have had from responsable parents.

no brainer really.
That is a typical Amaral apologist statement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 04:12:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 23, 2021, 04:05:51 PM
That is a typical Amaral apologist statement.

How is it .

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do

How is that apologising for him,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 23, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 03:40:16 PM

Well we know the mccs decision to leave their children turned out badly.

But, what GA would have accumplished ...we will now never know

IMO he was a thorn in too many sides it seems...to carry on his job.

Amaral didnt understand the evidence..... I understand it better... That's fact not opinion.... So he wouldn't be able to solve the case ...as I recall in his book he says if both dogs alert atht confirms cadaver odour...it doesnt...it suggests blood and possibly cadaver odour...thats just one point
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 23, 2021, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 04:12:21 PM
How is it .

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do

How is that apologising for him,
Because you can’t acknowledge that he did anything wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2021, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 04:12:21 PM
How is it .

IMO GA only tried to do the job he was paid to do

How is that apologising for him,

With the exception of one post and giving "likes" I have been excluded from forum for getting on for ?more than 6 weeks, (like Lace was.)

Hiya Kizzy

Excluded, so I never thanked you for your many kindnesses and the compassion you showed me when I had my breakdown a few weeks ago.   You and Faith were very perceptive noticing what was happening to me and it was good to have such solid support.  Thank you (both) so much. XXX 
I have stopped crying now.

[Thanks also go to Anthro, VS and Rob (who bore with me by telephone)]


Now I am going to argue with you, which is what you would expect from me, I expect, when I disagree.

Amaral proved that he did not do a good job, most especially with the Joana Cipriana case.

To approve torture of Leonor and bring the DCCB in from Lisbon, IIRC, to do it, then to produce a lying document to present to Court is sufficient to show what sort of man he is.  Ruthless, comes to mind.  Because of this document he is now a Criminal and we all know that we cannot trust him.

I could list a great long list of awful things he did, both in The Madeleine case and The Joana case, but I don't think it is necessary …. unless you want them re-exposed to the World?


TBH, I wondered if he had some motive for behaving as he did ?  Maybe I am wrong and maybe I am right ?
Time may tell
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 23, 2021, 04:47:52 PM
With the exception of one post and giving "likes" I have been excluded from forum for getting on for ?more than 6 weeks, (like Lace was.)

Hiya Kizzy

Excluded, so I never thanked you for your many kindnesses and the compassion you showed me when I had my breakdown a few weeks ago.   You and Faith were very perceptive noticing what was happening to me and it was good to have such solid support.  Thank you (both) so much. XXX 
I have stopped crying now.

[Thanks also go to Anthro, VS and Rob (who bore with me by telephone)]


Now I am going to argue with you, which is what you would expect from me, I expect, when I disagree.

Amaral proved that he did not do a good job, most especially with the Joana Cipriana case.

To approve torture of Leonor and bring the DCCB in from Lisbon, IIRC, to do it, then to produce a lying document to present to Court is sufficient to show what sort of man he is.  Ruthless, comes to mind.  Because of this document he is now a Criminal and we all know that we cannot trust him.

I could list a great long list of awful things he did, both in The Madeleine case and The Joana case, but I don't think it is necessary …. unless you want them re-exposed to the World?


TBH, I wondered if he had some motive for behaving as he did ?  Maybe I am wrong and maybe I am right ?
Time may tell


Your so welcome Sadie, its good to know you are feeling better -  thank you for your kind words. -

Its also good that you had so much support from others stay well. x

Now, though back to I suppose -  we will have to agree to disagree our beliefs on the forum
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 05:15:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 23, 2021, 04:33:02 PM
Because you can’t acknowledge that he did anything wrong.

We don't know though do we that he did. it seems to me he was right in what he believes that the mccs are involved in what happened to maddie imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 23, 2021, 05:26:46 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 05:15:07 PM
We don't know though do we that he did. it seems to me he was right in what he believes that the mccs are involved in what happened to maddie imo.
And that is why you are an Amaral apologist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 23, 2021, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 05:15:07 PM
We don't know though do we that he did. it seems to me he was right in what he believes that the mccs are involved in what happened to maddie imo.
Just as he was right in releasing confidential information which he shouldn't have been privy to in the first instance anyway, which led to Brueckner and the investigation centred on him, being announced.

Just as he was right in his attempt to derail the German investigation by releasing false information regarding Brueckner's vehicle.

Just as he was right to promote Brueckner's falsified, dreadlocked image to deliberately mislead the public.

Why do you think he was right to do any of that? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 23, 2021, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 23, 2021, 05:15:07 PM
We don't know though do we that he did. it seems to me he was right in what he believes that the mccs are involved in what happened to maddie imo.

Do you realise that Amaral's beliefs are based on his inability to understand the evidence. That's why I have no respect for them or him

We don't know the evidence Wolters is basing his conclusions on.. But I can't see him making the gross errors Amaral did
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 23, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 23, 2021, 04:47:52 PM
With the exception of one post and giving "likes" I have been excluded from forum for getting on for ?more than 6 weeks, (like Lace was.)

Hiya Kizzy

Excluded, so I never thanked you for your many kindnesses and the compassion you showed me when I had my breakdown a few weeks ago.   You and Faith were very perceptive noticing what was happening to me and it was good to have such solid support.  Thank you (both) so much. XXX 
I have stopped crying now.

[Thanks also go to Anthro, VS and Rob (who bore with me by telephone)]


Now I am going to argue with you, which is what you would expect from me, I expect, when I disagree.

Amaral proved that he did not do a good job, most especially with the Joana Cipriana case.

To approve torture of Leonor and bring the DCCB in from Lisbon, IIRC, to do it, then to produce a lying document to present to Court is sufficient to show what sort of man he is.  Ruthless, comes to mind.  Because of this document he is now a Criminal and we all know that we cannot trust him.

I could list a great long list of awful things he did, both in The Madeleine case and The Joana case, but I don't think it is necessary …. unless you want them re-exposed to the World?


TBH, I wondered if he had some motive for behaving as he did ?  Maybe I am wrong and maybe I am right ?
Time may tell
💕
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 23, 2021, 08:29:05 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 23, 2021, 04:47:52 PM
With the exception of one post and giving "likes" I have been excluded from forum for getting on for ?more than 6 weeks, (like Lace was.)

Hiya Kizzy

Excluded, so I never thanked you for your many kindnesses and the compassion you showed me when I had my breakdown a few weeks ago.   You and Faith were very perceptive noticing what was happening to me and it was good to have such solid support.  Thank you (both) so much. XXX 
I have stopped crying now.

[Thanks also go to Anthro, VS and Rob (who bore with me by telephone)]


Now I am going to argue with you, which is what you would expect from me, I expect, when I disagree.

Amaral proved that he did not do a good job, most especially with the Joana Cipriana case.

To approve torture of Leonor and bring the DCCB in from Lisbon, IIRC, to do it, then to produce a lying document to present to Court is sufficient to show what sort of man he is.  Ruthless, comes to mind.  Because of this document he is now a Criminal and we all know that we cannot trust him.

I could list a great long list of awful things he did, both in The Madeleine case and The Joana case, but I don't think it is necessary …. unless you want them re-exposed to the World?


TBH, I wondered if he had some motive for behaving as he did ?  Maybe I am wrong and maybe I am right ?
Time may tell

I find the mention of the DCCB very interesting and would like to know why you think Amaral was able to 'bring them in'? They were brought into the McCann investigation too, but not by Amaral. He is quite clear in his book that he didn't make the decision to bring them in and learned of it only when they arrived with Luis Neves, who then directed the investigation with Encarnacao.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on May 24, 2021, 11:14:53 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 23, 2021, 04:05:51 PM
That is a typical Amaral apologist statement.

LOL......well so be it - but I would rather be a G.A. apologist - than a mcc apologist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on May 24, 2021, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 23, 2021, 06:34:51 PM
Just as he was right in releasing confidential information which he shouldn't have been privy to in the first instance anyway, which led to Brueckner and the investigation centred on him, being announced.

Just as he was right in his attempt to derail the German investigation by releasing false information regarding Brueckner's vehicle.

Just as he was right to promote Brueckner's falsified, dreadlocked image to deliberately mislead the public.

Why do you think he was right to do any of that?

Ill tell you what I think ...it seems you have as much contempt for GA as I have for the mccs

The only difference here it seems is that it was the mccs who who left maddie to her fate.   not GA.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 24, 2021, 11:30:10 AM
Quote from: kizzy on May 24, 2021, 11:14:53 AM
LOL......well so be it - but I would rather be a G.A. apologist - than a mcc apologist.
That’s your choice, but personally I have more sympathy and support for the parents of missing children than dodgy ex-policemen who exploit them for a living instead..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on May 24, 2021, 11:51:59 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 24, 2021, 11:30:10 AM
That’s your choice, but personally I have more sympathy and support for the parents of missing children than dodgy ex-policemen who exploit them for a living instead..



IMO your supporting the ones who started this exploitation of their daughter in the first place

Not only when they left her but by going after GA giving him constant publicity

Other wise  he would have been long gone - they created the interest in him by trying to ruin him.

Also his life the way -  I believe they did Maddie's.

that everyone seems to have jumped on the band wagon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 24, 2021, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 24, 2021, 11:51:59 AM


IMO your supporting the ones who started this exploitation of their daughter in the first place

Not only when they left her but by going after GA giving him constant publicity

Other wise  he would have been long gone - they created the interest in him by trying to ruin him.

Also his life the way -  I believe they did Maddie's.

that everyone seems to have jumped on the band wagon.
Whether the McCanns had “gone after” Amaral or not, he made hundreds of thousands of pounds by exploiting Madeleine’s disappearance for his own personal enrichment.  That is a fact.  To say that the McCanns created interest in Amaral is arrant nonsense IMO.  They did not book him slots on national TV, nor find him a publisher, normarrange for him to be interviewed by the press every time there is a new development in the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on May 24, 2021, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 24, 2021, 12:00:02 PM
Whether the McCanns had “gone after” Amaral or not, he made hundreds of thousands of pounds by exploiting Madeleine’s disappearance for his own personal enrichment.  That is a fact.  To say that the McCanns created interest in Amaral is arrant nonsense IMO.  They did not book him slots on national TV, nor find him a publisher, normarrange for him to be interviewed by the press every time there is a new development in the case.


If they had not gone after him I believe no one would have bothered who he was or been interested in interviewing him at all.

The promoted the book and GA with publicity that money could not buy, trying to ruin his thinking they woiuld ban his book and him.

But failed miserably and lost the case....leaving him free to say what he likes - and what he thinks.

Well their fund it seems didn't do to bad either VS.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 24, 2021, 03:26:46 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 24, 2021, 01:21:38 PM

If they had not gone after him I believe no one would have bothered who he was or been interested in interviewing him at all.

The promoted the book and GA with publicity that money could not buy, trying to ruin his thinking they woiuld ban his book and him.

But failed miserably and lost the case....leaving him free to say what he likes - and what he thinks.

Well their fund it seems didn't do to bad either VS.

I don't think he is free to say what he likes and what he thinks. If he does he may well end up back in court. You might not have noticed he's been saying very little re the McCanns for the last 3 years
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 24, 2021, 05:23:11 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 24, 2021, 01:21:38 PM

If they had not gone after him I believe no one would have bothered who he was or been interested in interviewing him at all.

The promoted the book and GA with publicity that money could not buy, trying to ruin his thinking they woiuld ban his book and him.

But failed miserably and lost the case....leaving him free to say what he likes - and what he thinks.

Well their fund it seems didn't do to bad either VS.
They went after him AFTER he made a fortune out of the book and tv documentary so once again you are talking complete nonsense imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 24, 2021, 07:43:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 24, 2021, 05:23:11 PM
They went after him AFTER he made a fortune out of the book and tv documentary so once again you are talking complete nonsense imo.

Someone seemed to think he had 1.2 million euros in his back pocket, unless that claim was designed to encourage him to settle out of court for less when they offered him that option.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 24, 2021, 07:48:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 24, 2021, 07:43:59 PM
Someone seemed to think he had 1.2 million euros in his back pocket, unless that claim was designed to encourage him to settle out of court for less when they offered him that option.
That has got nothing to do with my point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 24, 2021, 09:32:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 24, 2021, 07:48:02 PM
That has got nothing to do with my point.

Your point being that they waited until he'd made enough money to make it worth suing him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 24, 2021, 10:09:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 24, 2021, 09:32:16 PM
Your point being that they waited until he'd made enough money to make it worth suing him?
No that was not my point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on May 25, 2021, 07:47:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on May 24, 2021, 03:26:46 PM
I don't think he is free to say what he likes and what he thinks. If he does he may well end up back in court. You might not have noticed he's been saying very little re the McCanns for the last 3 years
In public
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on May 25, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 24, 2021, 03:26:46 PM
I don't think he is free to say what he likes and what he thinks. If he does he may well end up back in court. You might not have noticed he's been saying very little re the McCanns for the last 3 years

Well what more can he say apart from -  he believes the mccs are involved in what happened to maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 25, 2021, 02:33:30 PM
Quote from: kizzy on May 25, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Well what more can he say apart from -  he believes the mccs are involved in what happened to maddie.

He hasn't said that for a long time... Imo because he knows he could end up back in court
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 25, 2021, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: Davel on May 25, 2021, 02:33:30 PM
He hasn't said that for a long time... Imo because he knows he could end up back in court


Nah, it's a self-evident truth that he doesn't need to go on about.

IMO ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 25, 2021, 10:03:11 PM
There is a possibility that the tripartite meeting is taking place at the moment (?)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 27, 2021, 02:05:05 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 25, 2021, 10:03:11 PM
There is a possibility that the tripartite meeting is taking place at the moment (?)

I'd read something to that effect as well, albeit uncorroborated. If the last one was in November (did that actually take place?), the next one may well be in May (i.e. a six-monthly update).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 30, 2021, 11:24:25 AM
Not getting any where fast, 12 months on from concrete evidence.

"We are missing important information. We want no stone unturned. Whether there will be an indictment in the end, I cannot foresee at the moment.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-madeleine-mccann-police-still-24211523
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 30, 2021, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 30, 2021, 11:24:25 AM
Not getting any where fast, 12 months on from concrete evidence.

"We are missing important information. We want no stone unturned. Whether there will be an indictment in the end, I cannot foresee at the moment.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-madeleine-mccann-police-still-24211523
Sounds like they are going all out to investigate the disappearance as thoroughly and diligently as possible.  Good for them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 30, 2021, 11:33:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 30, 2021, 11:31:16 AM
Sounds like they are going all out to investigate the disappearance as thoroughly and diligently as possible.  Good for them.

Oh yes indeed and when its over with no indictment of CB what then ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 30, 2021, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 30, 2021, 11:33:14 AM
Oh yes indeed and when its over with no indictment of CB what then ?
Then no one can say that the suspect was not exhaustively investigated.  Of course there are numerous examples of cases where not enough evidence was ever gathered to mount a successful prosecution even though it's quite obvious the suspect was involved in the crime.  I suppose some people would view such a failure on the part of the German police as some sort of victory - what about you? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 30, 2021, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 30, 2021, 11:51:14 AM
Then no one can say that the suspect was not exhaustively investigated.  Of course there are numerous examples of cases where not enough evidence was ever gathered to mount a successful prosecution even though it's quite obvious the suspect was involved in the crime.  I suppose some people would view such a failure on the part of the German police as some sort of victory - what about you?

Far from it, I'd see it as unable to walk the walk after talking the talk.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 30, 2021, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 30, 2021, 12:14:13 PM
Far from it, I'd see it as unable to walk the walk after talking the talk.
So you don't accept the premise that despite expending a huge amount of time and effort it is sometimes not possible to press charges owing to an insufficient amount of evidence, even though one may be very confident that one's suspicions are quite correct? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 30, 2021, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 30, 2021, 12:41:05 PM
So you don't accept the premise that despite expending a huge amount of time and effort it is sometimes not possible to press charges owing to an insufficient amount of evidence, even though one may be very confident that one's suspicions are quite correct?

Ouch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 30, 2021, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 30, 2021, 12:41:05 PM
So you don't accept the premise that despite expending a huge amount of time and effort it is sometimes not possible to press charges owing to an insufficient amount of evidence, even though one may be very confident that one's suspicions are quite correct?

You can only find what is there to be found,  the legend is writ that CB did for Madeleine, you've obviously bought into it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 30, 2021, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 30, 2021, 05:18:36 PM
You can only find what is there to be found,  the legend is writ that CB did for Madeleine, you've obviously bought into it.

You are wrong I think.

The legend is writ that the only thing thing that would make Brueckner even more of the perfect patsy would be if he was dead.
The legend is also writ that Brueckner was driving around Luz in a cartoon covered camper van.

The legend is also writ that short back and sides Brueckner wore his hair in dreadlocks in May 2007.

I think you will probably find that Wolters deals in evidence leaving the legends to those who have a penchant for them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 30, 2021, 06:12:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 30, 2021, 05:18:36 PM
You can only find what is there to be found,  the legend is writ that CB did for Madeleine, you've obviously bought into it.
You avoided my question, any reason why?  Do you or do you not accept that some suspects  cannot be successfully prosecuted because not enough concrete evidence can be found, even though it’s quit obvious they are involved?  Think a couple of Stephen Lawrence’s attackers for example.  Would you describe the investigation into them as merely legend writing by the police that gullible fools like me bought into?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 30, 2021, 06:49:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 30, 2021, 06:12:34 PM
You avoided my question, any reason why?  Do you or do you not accept that some suspects  cannot be successfully prosecuted because not enough concrete evidence can be found, even though it’s quit obvious they are involved?  Think a couple of Stephen Lawrence’s attackers for example.  Would you describe the investigation into them as merely legend writing by the police that gullible fools like me bought into?

Wasn't the McCann investigation archived due to insufficient evidence to prosecute?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 30, 2021, 06:54:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 30, 2021, 06:49:12 PM
Wasn't the McCann investigation archived due to insufficient evidence to prosecute?
Yes, and your point is?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 01, 2021, 08:42:03 PM
Perhaps this has already been published on the Forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 01, 2021, 09:40:15 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 01, 2021, 08:42:03 PM
Perhaps this has already been published on the Forum.
Oh how sad - poor woman, being horribly abused by a vile rapist in later life and forever associated with him, and by extension with this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 02, 2021, 11:54:47 AM
I have to say that when Anthro posted that piece, I had no idea who she was, or why the article had been posted.
I am still unclear about the latter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 02, 2021, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 30, 2021, 06:54:15 PM
Yes, and your point is?

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 02, 2021, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on May 30, 2021, 06:54:15 PM
Yes, and your point is?



Do you or do you not accept that some suspects  cannot be successfully prosecuted because not enough concrete evidence can be found, even though it’s quit obvious they are involved? 


I will tell you what my point is although hypothetically.

You dont know CB was there....the mccs was.

You dont know the window was opened. ....No CB prints only kmcs.

kmc searched apartment for aprox 10 mins ...yet never looked out front door to the car parl,

Did the bedroom door slam shut,

Why did kmc run out of the apartment again leaving twins ...imo she knew it was safe to do so.

Although kmc searched the apartment for approx 10 mins did not look out the front door into the carpark

The mccs let 20 + people into what kmc knew was a crime scene.

Put the twins back in the creach the next day even though the so called abductor could have been anyone in the complex.

All the inconsistencies in statements ...yet nothing was ever checked out. etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Such strange behaviour even now it seems.

CB is a prime suspect for three or four weak circum reasons and mainly imo because of who he is.

Practically a year now and it seems wolt is no further on with the absolute maximum publicity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 02, 2021, 01:19:06 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 02, 2021, 01:11:40 PM


Do you or do you not accept that some suspects  cannot be successfully prosecuted because not enough concrete evidence can be found, even though it’s quit obvious they are involved? 


I will tell you what my point is although hypothetically.

You dont know CB was there....the mccs was.

You dont know the window was opened. ....No CB prints only kmcs.

kmc searched apartment for aprox 10 mins ...yet never looked out front door to the car parl,

Did the bedroom door slam shut,

Why did kmc run out of the apartment again leaving twins ...imo she knew it was safe to do so.

Although kmc searched the apartment for approx 10 mins did not look out the front door into the carpark

The mccs let 20 + people into what kmc knew was a crime scene.

Put the twins back in the creach the next day even though the so called abductor could have been anyone in the complex.

All the inconsistencies in statements ...yet nothing was ever checked out. etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Such strange behaviour even now it seems.

CB is a prime suspect for three or four weak circum reasons and mainly imo because of who he is.

Practically a year now and it seems wolt is no further on with the absolute maximum publicity.
I really can't be arsed with all the above nonsense but I will point out you posted this as a reason twice:
"Although kmc searched the apartment for approx 10 mins did not look out the front door into the carpark" so you must consider it of utmost importance.  Firstly - why?  and secondly, did Kate McCann say she did not look out the front door into the carpark?  Did she say she didn't look out the window as well?  And finally, why should this even be a question on a thread about a paedophile and rapist known to have been in PdL that night and who is now the German's hief suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?  Do you think if you contacted them and told them Kate didn't look out the front door into the car park they might drop their investigation into CB ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 02, 2021, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 02, 2021, 01:11:40 PM


Do you or do you not accept that some suspects  cannot be successfully prosecuted because not enough concrete evidence can be found, even though it’s quit obvious they are involved? 


I will tell you what my point is although hypothetically.

You dont know CB was there....the mccs was.

You dont know the window was opened. ....No CB prints only kmcs.

kmc searched apartment for aprox 10 mins ...yet never looked out front door to the car parl,

Did the bedroom door slam shut,

Why did kmc run out of the apartment again leaving twins ...imo she knew it was safe to do so.

Although kmc searched the apartment for approx 10 mins did not look out the front door into the carpark

The mccs let 20 + people into what kmc knew was a crime scene.

Put the twins back in the creach the next day even though the so called abductor could have been anyone in the complex.

All the inconsistencies in statements ...yet nothing was ever checked out. etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Such strange behaviour even now it seems.

CB is a prime suspect for three or four weak circum reasons and mainly imo because of who he is.

Practically a year now and it seems wolt is no further on with the absolute maximum publicity.

The reason Brueckner was not eliminated from the inquiry in 2007 is that apparently despite him being on the Policia Judiciaria radar - according to Amaral, he wasn't at home when they called.

Do you know if they called back - or didn't they bother because Amaral was convinced he had cracked the case 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 02, 2021, 11:54:47 AM
I have to say that when Anthro posted that piece, I had no idea who she was, or why the article had been posted.
I am still unclear about the latter.
Since it is newsworthy. Brückner was convicted and is currently in jail for the rape of Diana Menkes at her villa ‘Jacaranda’, Praia da Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 02, 2021, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 01:36:29 PM
Since it is newsworthy. Brückner was convicted and is currently in jail for the rape of Diana Menkes at her villa ‘Jacaranda’, Praia da Luz.

I know he's in jail for rape. I don't need to know the name of the victim and  in my opinion, neither does anyone else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 02, 2021, 01:50:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 02, 2021, 01:19:06 PM
I really can't be arsed with all the above nonsense but I will point out you posted this as a reason twice:
"Although kmc searched the apartment for approx 10 mins did not look out the front door into the carpark" so you must consider it of utmost importance.  Firstly - why?  and secondly, did Kate McCann say she did not look out the front door into the carpark?  Did she say she didn't look out the window as well?  And finally, why should this even be a question on a thread about a paedophile and rapist known to have been in PdL that night and who is now the German's hief suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?  Do you think if you contacted them and told them Kate didn't look out the front door into the car park they might drop their investigation into CB ?

Whatever the outcome of the German investigation, it has to be realised that there is a small rump of individuals to whom the mere thought that it might at long last reveal what happened to Madeleine McCann is absolute anathema.

I think it is more than tiresome that they have spent so much of their time and effort promoting a badly botched investigation they cannot see the wood for the trees when confronted with one which is being conducted in an efficient manner.

My opinion is that crimes against women and children carried out by Brueckner and others like him have traditionally been neglected and treated as an inconvenience - and in Madeleine's case damaging to the tourist trade.

The dark underbelly of burglaries, assaults and rapes carried out by criminals has been underplayed.  Which is why Brueckner was able to to continue his activities for as long as he did.

It is puerile to keep beating the drum for long discredited notions promoted by Amaral ~ but here we are and here some will remain ~ while the rest of the world continues with reality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 02, 2021, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 02, 2021, 01:19:06 PM
I really can't be arsed with all the above nonsense but I will point out you posted this as a reason twice:
"Although kmc searched the apartment for approx 10 mins did not look out the front door into the carpark" so you must consider it of utmost importance.  Firstly - why?  and secondly, did Kate McCann say she did not look out the front door into the carpark?  Did she say she didn't look out the window as well?  And finally, why should this even be a question on a thread about a paedophile and rapist known to have been in PdL that night and who is now the German's hief suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?  Do you think if you contacted them and told them Kate didn't look out the front door into the car park they might drop their investigation into CB ?


 And finally, why should this even be a question on a thread about a paedophile and rapist known to have been in PdL that night and who is now the German's hief suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?.


Because you posted this.

Do you or do you not accept that some suspects  cannot be successfully prosecuted because not enough concrete evidence can be found, even though it’s quit obvious they are involved?

Posts with the usual double standards as it can work for one but not another.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 02, 2021, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 02, 2021, 01:40:59 PM
I know he's in jail for rape. I don't need to know the name of the victim and  in my opinion, neither does anyone else.

Why?

The victim was raped.  There is nothing shameful about that.  It is the wicked beast who tortured and raped her that needs to hang his head in shame.

I cannot for the life of me work out why Brueckner has a faction going for denial of the criminality of this beast in their derision of the German investigation of his crimes..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 02, 2021, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 02, 2021, 01:56:43 PM
Why?

The victim was raped.  There is nothing shameful about that.  It is the wicked beast who tortured and raped her that needs to hang his head in shame.

I cannot for the life of me work out why Brueckner has a faction going for denial of the criminality of this beast in their derision of the German investigation of his crimes..

The identity of the victim is not important to anyone other than the victim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 02, 2021, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 02, 2021, 02:05:58 PM
The identity of the victim is not important to anyone other than the victim.

The identity of the person who has been raped must be publicly revealed if s/he wishes the rapist to face justice in a court of law unless there are particular reporting restrictions.

The victim is blameless and I think your suggestion of anonymity is along the lines of refuting that fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 02, 2021, 02:29:49 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 02, 2021, 02:13:08 PM
The identity of the person who has been raped must be publicly revealed if s/he wishes the rapist to face justice in a court of law unless there are particular reporting restrictions.

The victim is blameless and I think your suggestion of anonymity is along the lines of refuting that fact.

No one said otherwise. However, what benefit do you get by knowing her identity?

I would suggest none.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 02, 2021, 01:40:59 PM
I know he's in jail for rape. I don't need to know the name of the victim and  in my opinion, neither does anyone else.
I now have a clearer understanding of how your self-acclaimed status as ‘non-researcher’ is guiding your posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 02, 2021, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 02, 2021, 01:51:58 PM

 And finally, why should this even be a question on a thread about a paedophile and rapist known to have been in PdL that night and who is now the German's hief suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?.


Because you posted this.

Do you or do you not accept that some suspects  cannot be successfully prosecuted because not enough concrete evidence can be found, even though it’s quit obvious they are involved?

Posts with the usual double standards as it can work for one but not another.
The post of mine you have quoted is perfectly appropriate to the subject of the investigation into CB - why are you accusing me of double standards when my post was entirely on topic?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 02, 2021, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 03:16:10 PM
I now have a clearer understanding of how your self-acclaimed status as ‘non-researcher’ is guiding your posts.

I'm glad about that. ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 02, 2021, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 02, 2021, 02:05:58 PM
The identity of the victim is not important to anyone other than the victim.
A bit rich coming from someone who has spent years discussing Madeleine McCann by name.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 03:25:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 02, 2021, 03:20:54 PM
I'm glad about that. ?{)(**
👍
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 02, 2021, 05:11:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 02, 2021, 03:21:30 PM
A bit rich coming from someone who has spent years discussing Madeleine McCann by name.

Yes. well the clue could be its a what happened to  Madeleine McCann forum [threads].

Not discussing the victim of CB. Who has nothing to do with what happened to Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 02, 2021, 05:14:15 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 02, 2021, 05:11:20 PM
Yes. well the clue could be its a what happened to  Madeleine McCann forum [threads].

Not discussing the victim of CB. Who has nothing to do with what happened to Maddie.
IN YOUR OPINION.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 02, 2021, 05:15:28 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 02, 2021, 05:11:20 PM
Yes. well the clue could be its a what happened to  Madeleine McCann forum [threads].

Not discussing the victim of CB. Who has nothing to do with what happened to Maddie.
Jassi seems to have a problem with discussing victims by their names so why she’s even a member of this forum god only knows.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 02, 2021, 05:11:20 PM
Yes. well the clue could be its a what happened to  Madeleine McCann forum [threads].

Not discussing the victim of CB. Who has nothing to do with what happened to Maddie.
Holistically, it is all connected to Madeleine’s disappearance and profiling Brückner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 02, 2021, 05:58:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 03:16:10 PM
I now have a clearer understanding of how your self-acclaimed status as ‘non-researcher’ is guiding your posts.

A so called researcher has achieved what exactly ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 02, 2021, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 02, 2021, 05:58:08 PM
A so called researcher has achieved what exactly ?
Careful, some of your forum allies see themselves as serious researchers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 02, 2021, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 02, 2021, 05:58:08 PM
A so called researcher has achieved what exactly ?

A better understanding of the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 02, 2021, 05:58:08 PM
A so called researcher has achieved what exactly ?
Barrier, I don’t think any so-called researcher, in your opinion, has claimed to have achieved any conclusion into Madeleine’s disappearance. Some however, have an ability to be analytical in collating known information within the public domain. Heriberto comes to mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 02, 2021, 08:15:26 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 07:16:00 PM
Barrier, I don’t think any so-called researcher, in your opinion, has claimed to have achieved any conclusion into Madeleine’s disappearance. Some however, have an ability to be analytical in collating known information within the public domain. Heriberto comes to mind.

With the resources available to him from the public domain Heri worked out persons of interest before anyone else did, I would say his investigative skills are proved beyond question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 02, 2021, 08:30:14 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 02, 2021, 08:15:26 PM
With the resources available to him from the public domain Heri worked out persons of interest before anyone else did, I would say his investigative skills are proved beyond question.

Heri is the only one who has made any real effort and in the most professional manner.  Apart from Sadie who has done her best.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 02, 2021, 08:31:01 PM
Has he  actually got anything right ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 02, 2021, 08:46:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 02, 2021, 08:31:01 PM
Has he  actually got anything right ?
More than you have that’s 100% certain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 09:30:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 02, 2021, 08:31:01 PM
Has he  actually got anything right ?
Jassi, if I may, please familiarise yourself with the current discourse re. Madeleine’s disappearance. To me, your contribution seems to be an ongoing and uninformed attempt to discredit others’ who are able to deliver a meaningful contribution to the topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 02, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 09:30:45 PM
Jassi, if I may, please familiarise yourself with the current discourse re. Madeleine’s disappearance. To me, your contribution seems to be an ongoing and uninformed attempt to discredit others’ who are able to deliver a meaningful contribution to the topic.
So tell me what he has got right.

As far as I can see, he comes up with wild ideas that lead nowhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 02, 2021, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 02, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
So tell me what he has got right.

As far as I can see, he comes up with wild ideas that lead nowhere.
Nothing proven - yet - but interestingly Heriberto has been saying for years that he believed Madeleine was abducted by a burglar, and he could well turn out to be proven right if thr German investigation is on the right track.  What have you got right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 03, 2021, 06:01:32 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 02, 2021, 07:16:00 PM
Barrier, I don’t think any so-called researcher, in your opinion, has claimed to have achieved any conclusion into Madeleine’s disappearance. Some however, have an ability to be analytical in collating known information within the public domain. Heriberto comes to mind.
Reasoned answer with out resorting to personal comments, thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 07:28:22 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 02, 2021, 08:15:26 PM
With the resources available to him from the public domain Heri worked out persons of interest before anyone else did, I would say his investigative skills are proved beyond question.

His 'disappeared' woman in purple is a good example perhaps. He was unable to find Luisa Todorov, but the Mirror managed it. Were OG searching for her? I doubt it.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/it-wasnt-me-waitress-who-11573764
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2021, 08:19:57 AM
It must be galling for other “serious researchers” that the national media doesn’t take their half-baked theories seriously, no wonder Heri is so often maligned by some.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2021, 08:22:11 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 07:28:22 AM
His 'disappeared' woman in purple is a good example perhaps. He was unable to find Luisa Todorov, but the Mirror managed it. Were OG searching for her? I doubt it.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/it-wasnt-me-waitress-who-11573764
She hasn’t been cleared though has she?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2021, 08:22:11 AM
She hasn’t been cleared though has she?

Was she ever under suspicion? Were OG officers ever scouring Bulgaria looking for her? Imo that was all rumours, as was the idea that she was the woman in purple.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 07:28:22 AM
His 'disappeared' woman in purple is a good example perhaps. He was unable to find Luisa Todorov, but the Mirror managed it. Were OG searching for her? I doubt it.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/it-wasnt-me-waitress-who-11573764

I am totally missing the point you are trying to make here.  Is it your suggestion that Luisa Camara or Todorov and her husband did not work at the Ocean Club when Madeleine disappeared?

She may or may not have been the 'woman in purple' but don't you think it would be an idea to wait until revelations are made about who exactly that person may or may not be and what her relevance may or may not be. Quite frankly you have absolutely no idea who or what is being investigated ... unless the investigators are running everything past you for your approval, which I very much doubt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2021, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 09:24:20 AM
I am totally missing the point you are trying to make here.  Is it your suggestion that Luisa Camara or Todorov and her husband did not work at the Ocean Club when Madeleine disappeared?

She may or may not have been the 'woman in purple' but don't you think it would be an idea to wait until revelations are made about who exactly that person may or may not be and what her relevance may or may not be. Quite frankly you have absolutely no idea who or what is being investigated ... unless the investigators are running everything past you for your approval, which I very much doubt.
Gunit gives me the impression she thinks the investigation is totally on the wrong track so rejects anything that doesn't agree with her ideas. I may be wrong if she wishes to correct me that's fine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 09:51:28 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 09:24:20 AM
I am totally missing the point you are trying to make here.  Is it your suggestion that Luisa Camara or Todorov and her husband did not work at the Ocean Club when Madeleine disappeared?

She may or may not have been the 'woman in purple' but don't you think it would be an idea to wait until revelations are made about who exactly that person may or may not be and what her relevance may or may not be. Quite frankly you have absolutely no idea who or what is being investigated ... unless the investigators are running everything past you for your approval, which I very much doubt.

I was just commenting on Heri's investigative skills.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 03, 2021, 09:30:33 AM
Gunit gives me the impression she thinks the investigation is totally on the wrong track so rejects anything that doesn't agree with her ideas. I may be wrong if she wishes to correct me that's fine.

I was commenting on Heri's sub-standard (imo) investigative skills, nothing else. He was unable to find Luisa Todorov in Portugal, but she was there all the time. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 03, 2021, 10:21:19 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 09:59:02 AM
I was commenting on Heri's sub-standard (imo) investigative skills, nothing else. He was unable to find Luisa Todorov in Portugal, but she was there all the time.
You are mistaken. Heri did in fact find Luisa, still living in Almádena. (source: private conversation)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 03, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 09:59:02 AM
I was commenting on Heri's sub-standard (imo) investigative skills, nothing else. He was unable to find Luisa Todorov in Portugal, but she was there all the time.
You do realise that he has a PhD in Criminology?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2021, 10:44:37 AM
Pat Brown and Mark Williams-Thomas also have degrees in criminology, but I think are not highly rated on here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 11:16:25 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 09:59:02 AM
I was commenting on Heri's sub-standard (imo) investigative skills, nothing else. He was unable to find Luisa Todorov in Portugal, but she was there all the time.

Just a reminder.  Heri is a member here and will be treated with all due respect as per forum rules.  Please feel free to discuss posts made by him - please do not make personal comment particularly when he is not party to the discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 11:16:53 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 03, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
You do realise that he has a PhD in Criminology?

So?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2021, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 11:16:25 AM
Just a reminder.  Heri is a member here and will be treated with all due respect as per forum rules.  Please feel free to discuss posts made by him - please do not make personal comment particularly when he is not party to the discussion.

Something that some seem to have forgotten.  I shall be Deleting any further insults directed at Heriberto.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 11:23:40 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 11:16:25 AM
Just a reminder.  Heri is a member here and will be treated with all due respect as per forum rules.  Please feel free to discuss posts made by him - please do not make personal comment particularly when he is not party to the discussion.

You chose to mention and praise his investigative skills, which, in your opinion, were 'proved beyond question'. In my opinion they weren't, and I explained why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2021, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 11:16:53 AM
So?

Heriberto is a member of this Forum, which you should know.  Or is anyone fair game for your insults?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 12:33:54 PM


Looks like as some predicted from day one - this is going nowhere.




Former murder detective Peter Kirkham is concerned (Image:
He added: “A year ago we heard Brueckner had become a person of great interest to the McCann investigation.

“But since then, nothing. To the public, this seems odd and it seems the police are dragging their feet. Identifying and interviewing a suspect is a very long way from having enough to charge, let alone convict, them …

“This investigation has run longer than most – I suspect in part because no politician wants to be associated with saying ‘stop’.

“But I think the time has come for someone to do so. A senior officer should gather together those with knowledge of the case and decide whether to continue.

“Having seemingly got nowhere in a year, I suspect this line of inquiry is rapidly drying up.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/friend-madeleine-mccann-suspect-thinks-24238919
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 12:33:54 PM

Looks like as some predicted from day one - this is going nowhere.




Former murder detective Peter Kirkham is concerned (Image:
He added: “A year ago we heard Brueckner had become a person of great interest to the McCann investigation.

“But since then, nothing. To the public, this seems odd and it seems the police are dragging their feet. Identifying and interviewing a suspect is a very long way from having enough to charge, let alone convict, them …

“This investigation has run longer than most – I suspect in part because no politician wants to be associated with saying ‘stop’.

“But I think the time has come for someone to do so. A senior officer should gather together those with knowledge of the case and decide whether to continue.

“Having seemingly got nowhere in a year, I suspect this line of inquiry is rapidly drying up.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/friend-madeleine-mccann-suspect-thinks-24238919

How much weight do you suppose should be given to the opinion of a retired policeman who knows nothing more than any other member of the general public does about the very complex German case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 03, 2021, 01:32:13 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 01:12:23 PM
How much weight do you suppose should be given to the opinion of a retired policeman who knows nothing more than any other member of the general public does about the very complex German case.

I have to agree, only Gonçalo Amaral and his team had direct contact with those involved in the original investigation and had first hand knowledge of suspects at the time. Those that came later are at a distinct disadvantage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 01:32:13 PM
I have to agree, only Gonçalo Amaral and his team had direct contact with those involved in the original investigation and had first hand knowledge of suspects at the time. Those that came later are at a distinct disadvantage.

Yes, and it seems G,A, called CB  a patsy from day one, imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 01:54:56 PM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 01:32:13 PM
I have to agree, only Gonçalo Amaral and his team had direct contact with those involved in the original investigation and had first hand knowledge of suspects at the time. Those that came later are at a distinct disadvantage.

I think Goncalo Amaral and his team screwed up the initial investigation.  It was Rebelo and his team who were left to pull the chestnuts out of the fire and put some methodology into the equation by collating and digitising evidence which was apparently left in a chaotic mess.
By which time it was too late to salvage wasted investigative opportunity as evidenced by Madeleine being abandoned in everything but name by dint of the archiving procedure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 01:57:26 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 01:50:41 PM
Yes, and it seems G,A, called CB  a patsy from day one, imo

Amaral also lied that Brueckner wore his hair in dreadlocks.  Did you miss the faked photograph showing the same as backup for his tale which he touted round the television studios.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2021, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 03, 2021, 08:41:21 AM
Was she ever under suspicion? Were OG officers ever scouring Bulgaria looking for her? Imo that was all rumours, as was the idea that she was the woman in purple.
If she was there the night Madeleine disappeared then should could have been involved, therefore not cleared right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 01:12:23 PM
How much weight do you suppose should be given to the opinion of a retired policeman who knows nothing more than any other member of the general public does about the very complex German case.

The point is - how now there is a sign by printing the story people are getting board with what you think is a complex german case.

Where as others think it is leading nowhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 01:57:26 PM
Amaral also lied that Brueckner wore his hair in dreadlocks.  Did you miss the faked photograph showing the same as backup for his tale which he touted round the television studios.

OH lol how could I when you never shut up about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2021, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 02:01:03 PM
The point is - how now there is a sign by printing the story people are getting board with what you think is a complex german case.

Where as others think it is leading nowhere.
Is that chipboard, or ply?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2021, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 01:50:41 PM
Yes, and it seems G,A, called CB  a patsy from day one, imo

What does that prove... Absolutely nothing from the man who didnt understand the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 03, 2021, 02:05:20 PM
What does that prove... Absolutely nothing from the man who didnt understand the evidence

He knows more than you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2021, 02:12:23 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 12:33:54 PM

Looks like as some predicted from day one - this is going nowhere.




Former murder detective Peter Kirkham is concerned (Image:
He added: “A year ago we heard Brueckner had become a person of great interest to the McCann investigation.

“But since then, nothing. To the public, this seems odd and it seems the police are dragging their feet. Identifying and interviewing a suspect is a very long way from having enough to charge, let alone convict, them …

“This investigation has run longer than most – I suspect in part because no politician wants to be associated with saying ‘stop’.

“But I think the time has come for someone to do so. A senior officer should gather together those with knowledge of the case and decide whether to continue.

“Having seemingly got nowhere in a year, I suspect this line of inquiry is rapidly drying up.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/friend-madeleine-mccann-suspect-thinks-24238919

I believed that HCW had solid evidence on the case of CB in relation to MM, but now I do not know, and fear that the Germans have only a "criminal profile", and the fact that CB possibly was in PDL on May 3, 2007 having a call. The "criminal profile" is very interesting (he is a burglar and a paedo), but not enough to sustain the case against CB. We have to wait for future developments.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2021, 02:03:16 PM
Is that chipboard, or ply?

 @)(++(*

Oh VS you must be bored scrutinizing posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 02:16:45 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2021, 02:12:23 PM
I believed that HCW had solid evidence on the case of CB in relation to MM, but now I do not know, and fear that the Germans have only a "criminal profile", and the fact that CB possibly was in PDL on May 3, 2007 having a call. The "criminal profile" is very interesting (he is a burglar and a paedo), but not enough to sustain the case against CB. We have to wait for future delelopments.

Aww, thank you Heriberto for that honest and direct answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2021, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 02:13:31 PM
@)(++(*

Oh VS you must be bored scrutinizing posts.
I'm certainly "board" by the same tired old arguments and appalling speling mistooks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 02:10:46 PM
He knows more than you.

I don’t think he does I’ve read his book he gets a lot wrong.
I would say I know a lot more than him and can prove it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2021, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 01:32:13 PM
I have to agree, only Gonçalo Amaral and his team had direct contact with those involved in the original investigation and had first hand knowledge of suspects at the time. Those that came later are at a distinct disadvantage.

Goncalo and his team got so much wrong.
They thought the alerts proved Maddie died in the apartment ... if they didn’t understand the basics they had no chance of solving the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2021, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2021, 02:12:23 PM
I believed that HCW had solid evidence on the case of CB in relation to MM, but now I do not know, and fear that the Germans have only a "criminal profile", and the fact that CB possibly was in PDL on May 3, 2007 having a call. The "criminal profile" is very interesting (he is a burglar and a paedo), but not enough to sustain the case against CB. We have to wait for future developments.

I think you are wrong. I dont see HCW being so positive if he has nothing. Have you listened to him...60 minutes...Discovery 3 part...Sandra F doc
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2021, 02:12:23 PM
I believed that HCW had solid evidence on the case of CB in relation to MM, but now I do not know, and fear that the Germans have only a "criminal profile", and the fact that CB possibly was in PDL on May 3, 2007 having a call. The "criminal profile" is very interesting (he is a burglar and a paedo), but not enough to sustain the case against CB. We have to wait for future developments.

I still believe Wolters has evidence I think the difficulty he may have is the burden of proof in linking it specifically to Brueckner.

He certainly fits the profile and that is only in the areas we have found out about;  I agree that future developments will either confirm or reject if Brueckner is implicated in the crime against Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 03, 2021, 02:28:11 PM
Goncalo and his team got so much wrong.
They thought the alerts proved Maddie died in the apartment ... if they didn’t understand the basics they had no chance of solving the case


if they didn’t understand the basics they had no chance of solving the case

What they didn't have was the chance to investigate it without interference from UK.


Interview to Gonçalo Amaral

The full coverage of Detective Gonçalo Amaral's interview can be found here, which aired on May 2017. His actual interview only starts at 4:45.

He was interviewed at the place of Madeleine's disappearance, and demonstrated some of the witnesses' testimonies in the locale. This coverage is interesting because a lot of the information covered is not commonly known by the general public, perhaps due to a lot of misinformation spread by the media.

Summary of the Interview:

Det. Amaral describes the political pressure he felt while working on the case, including the presence of the British ambassador in the site nearly 24 after the disappearance. The ambassador seemed to have pressured the police into following an investigation based solely on the abduction theory, which hindered police work.

The interviewer asked "What if this [children being left alone, and one going missing] had happened in Britain?" Amaral replied that British law seems to be tougher in terms of child safety and the parents had likely been convicted in that case. (Source on this British Law)

Amaral describes the McCann couple's special treatment, but does not seem to believe in conspiracy theories. He think they had special treatment simply because they were British upper class and, since they "messed up" overseas and not in their home country, received political protection from the UK.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2021, 02:20:57 PM
I'm certainly "board" by the same tired old arguments and appalling speling mistooks.

I can only argue what I believe in,,

But at least it shows you read all my posts in depth then.

I say that as a lot of posts especially the long ones I only skim read - last thing on my mind would be looking for errors.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2021, 04:41:40 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 04:24:06 PM
I can only argue what I believe in,,

But at least it shows you read all my posts in depth then.

I say that as a lot of posts especially the long ones I only skim read - last thing on my mind would be looking for errors.


Indeed, anything more than about 6 lines can be a bit of a chore, particularly if it is a 'snip'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2021, 05:05:03 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 04:05:48 PM

if they didn’t understand the basics they had no chance of solving the case

What they didn't have was the chance to investigate it without interference from UK.


Interview to Gonçalo Amaral

The full coverage of Detective Gonçalo Amaral's interview can be found here, which aired on May 2017. His actual interview only starts at 4:45.

He was interviewed at the place of Madeleine's disappearance, and demonstrated some of the witnesses' testimonies in the locale. This coverage is interesting because a lot of the information covered is not commonly known by the general public, perhaps due to a lot of misinformation spread by the media.

Summary of the Interview:

Det. Amaral describes the political pressure he felt while working on the case, including the presence of the British ambassador in the site nearly 24 after the disappearance. The ambassador seemed to have pressured the police into following an investigation based solely on the abduction theory, which hindered police work.

The interviewer asked "What if this [children being left alone, and one going missing] had happened in Britain?" Amaral replied that British law seems to be tougher in terms of child safety and the parents had likely been convicted in that case. (Source on this British Law)

Amaral describes the McCann couple's special treatment, but does not seem to believe in conspiracy theories. He think they had special treatment simply because they were British upper class and, since they "messed up" overseas and not in their home country, received political protection from the UK.

Amaral though the dogs proved maddie died in the apartment... They didnt. Amaral is making excuses for his own failings
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 05:11:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 03, 2021, 05:05:03 PM
Amaral though the dogs proved maddie died in the apartment... They didnt. Amaral is making excuses for his own failings

Nah there was more an you know it.

wonder what excuses wolt is going to make.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 04:05:48 PM

if they didn’t understand the basics they had no chance of solving the case

What they didn't have was the chance to investigate it without interference from UK.


Interview to Gonçalo Amaral

The full coverage of Detective Gonçalo Amaral's interview can be found here, which aired on May 2017. His actual interview only starts at 4:45.

He was interviewed at the place of Madeleine's disappearance, and demonstrated some of the witnesses' testimonies in the locale. This coverage is interesting because a lot of the information covered is not commonly known by the general public, perhaps due to a lot of misinformation spread by the media.

Summary of the Interview:

Det. Amaral describes the political pressure he felt while working on the case, including the presence of the British ambassador in the site nearly 24 after the disappearance. The ambassador seemed to have pressured the police into following an investigation based solely on the abduction theory, which hindered police work.

The interviewer asked "What if this [children being left alone, and one going missing] had happened in Britain?" Amaral replied that British law seems to be tougher in terms of child safety and the parents had likely been convicted in that case. (Source on this British Law)

Amaral describes the McCann couple's special treatment, but does not seem to believe in conspiracy theories. He think they had special treatment simply because they were British upper class and, since they "messed up" overseas and not in their home country, received political protection from the UK.

Interviews given by Amaral are quite simply not to be trusted.  Amaral is the man who lied about cartoons on Brueckner's van.  Amaral also lied that Brueckner wore his hair in dreadlocks but video featuring Brueckner with short tidy hair gave the lie to that.
Why would anyone believe a word that comes out of that man's mouth - bearing in mind he has a criminal conviction for lying 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2021, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 04:24:06 PM
I can only argue what I believe in,,

But at least it shows you read all my posts in depth then.

I say that as a lot of posts especially the long ones I only skim read - last thing on my mind would be looking for errors.
Do you seriously think your posts contain depth and take more than 10 seconds to read?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2021, 05:34:31 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 03, 2021, 04:41:40 PM

Indeed, anything more than about 6 lines can be a bit of a chore, particularly if it is a 'snip'
Yep, some people just don’t have the patience and/or intelligence to read and digest longer posts.  What a shame, they’re probably missing quite a bit but then that may explain their ignorance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2021, 05:45:45 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 05:11:54 PM
Nah there was more an you know it.

wonder what excuses wolt is going to make.

The main evidence ahainst the mccanns were the dog alerts... Almeida who wrote the interim report
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2021, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 03:00:04 PM
I still believe Wolters has evidence I think the difficulty he may have is the burden of proof in linking it specifically to Brueckner.

He certainly fits the profile and that is only in the areas we have found out about;  I agree that future developments will either confirm or reject if Brueckner is implicated in the crime against Madeleine.

I wonder which is the definition of "non-forensic evidence" vs. "forensic evidence" that the Germans use.
I think HCW has proof of MM being dead, but not 100% sure the offender was CB. He even is not sure CB was using the published phone on May 3.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 06:26:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2021, 05:30:43 PM
Do you seriously think your posts contain depth and take more than 10 seconds to read?

Not to worry Vs, I post for my belief nothing else so don't really give a fudge what anyone thinks of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 03, 2021, 06:32:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 03:00:04 PM
I still believe Wolters has evidence I think the difficulty he may have is the burden of proof in linking it specifically to Brueckner.

He certainly fits the profile and that is only in the areas we have found out about;  I agree that future developments will either confirm or reject if Brueckner is implicated in the crime against Madeleine.

He fits a profile that legend writers promote.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 03, 2021, 06:38:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 03, 2021, 02:36:27 PM
I think you are wrong. I dont see HCW being so positive if he has nothing. Have you listened to him...60 minutes...Discovery 3 part...Sandra F doc

Have you listened to the Mark  Saunokonoko interview.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 03, 2021, 06:49:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 01:50:41 PM
Yes, and it seems G,A, called CB  a patsy from day one, imo


Wolters hasn't proved otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 03, 2021, 06:49:39 PM

Wolters hasn't proved otherwise.

No, seems he isnt going to either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2021, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 03, 2021, 06:38:15 PM
Have you listened to the Mark  Saunokonoko interview.

Of course
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2021, 07:15:47 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 07:11:07 PM
No, seems he isnt going to either.

A pair of celestial teapots
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 08:22:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 03, 2021, 06:32:08 PM
He fits a profile that legend writers promote.

OK.
So in your world investigators quite simply don't bother to take regard of individuals whose profile indicates a propensity for committing a particular type of crime using a particular modus operandi.

I really don't think it works quite like that in the real world where the only one promoting legendary lies seems to be Amaral.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2021, 08:28:00 PM
Wolters has made it clear that CB will only be prosecuted if the evidence is watertight... Whats the problem with that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2021, 08:29:52 PM
On the contrary, police are eager to grasp anyone who fits their profile and are reluctant to let go until they are left with no option.
Such is the position of the German police at present.
IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2021, 10:00:04 PM

What a laugh.  Same old same old.  if only it were funny.

Bruekner will be down for a few years yet. And probably even longer.

I prefer to believe that Madeleine is still alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2021, 10:20:57 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 03, 2021, 08:29:52 PM
On the contrary, police are eager to grasp anyone who fits their profile and are reluctant to let go until they are left with no option.
Such is the position of the German police at present.
IMO
Such was the position in 2007 with the PJ IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2021, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2021, 10:20:57 PM
Such was the position in 2007 with the PJ IMO.

So not much sense to that either.

No-one appears to be grasping at anything.  But Jassi does have a penchant for this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 10:44:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 03, 2021, 10:00:04 PM
What a laugh.  Same old same old.  if only it were funny.

Bruekner will be down for a few years yet. And probably even longer.

I prefer to believe that Madeleine is still alive.

A German poster on Websleuths quotes Wolters from a podcast explaining what he has done over the last year and exactly why he did it.
Wolters has also claimed much of what has been reported in the media is inaccurate - for example he has never claimed that Madeleine died in Portugal.

I have listened to the podcast and read the brief precis underneath.
I have not seen any media reports addressing what Wolters who is at the centre of all of this has actually said publicly - the 'news' of the day being Brueckner's former friends speculation about what the Germans are doing and why they are taking so long about doing it.
The real deal has detailed the facts but it seems the money is on opinions from folk who know nothing.

Keep your chin up Eleanor - you could well be proved right
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 03, 2021, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2021, 02:12:23 PM
I believed that HCW had solid evidence on the case of CB in relation to MM, but now I do not know, and fear that the Germans have only a "criminal profile", and the fact that CB possibly was in PDL on May 3, 2007 having a call. The "criminal profile" is very interesting (he is a burglar and a paedo), but not enough to sustain the case against CB. We have to wait for future developments.

Totally agree Heriberto.  Bruckner is a small time villain, I don't believe murder was ever on his radar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2021, 11:28:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 10:44:01 PM
A German poster on Websleuths quotes Wolters from a podcast explaining what he has done over the last year and exactly why he did it.
Wolters has also claimed much of what has been reported in the media is inaccurate - for example he has never claimed that Madeleine died in Portugal.

I have listened to the podcast and read the brief precis underneath.
I have not seen any media reports addressing what Wolters who is at the centre of all of this has actually said publicly - the 'news' of the day being Brueckner's former friends speculation about what the Germans are doing and why they are taking so long about doing it.
The real deal has detailed the facts but it seems the money is on opinions from folk who know nothing.

Keep your chin up Eleanor - you could well be proved right

ThankYou Brietta.  I don't have much idea of what is going on and never have had beyond a bit of common sense.

I don't understand this aberrant desire to blame the parent's when there has never been any proof after fourteen long years.

I am now sick to death of this absolute bollocks of absolutely nothing.

I don't know where this leaves me as a Moderator. and sadly I don't care anymore.  And so I will just Delete anything that offends me personally.

This is probably the best way to go.  So best not to offend me.  Someone has to decide of what is offensive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2021, 11:30:57 PM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:23:33 PM
Totally agree Heriberto.  Bruckner is a small time villain, I don't believe murder was ever on his radar.
Brutal and prolonged rape and torture is not “small time” imo and could well be a precursor to even more serious crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 03, 2021, 11:35:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 03, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
I don’t think he does I’ve read his book he gets a lot wrong.
I would say I know a lot more than him and can prove it

Don't be silly Dave, Gonçalo was there, and saw and heard a hell of a lot more than is reported in the files. In those circumstances he was best placed to solve the case but we all now know he was thwarted by the English authorities who refused to undertake certain requests relating to Madeleine's parents and the tapas group. Then there was the fiasco involving the FSS, a now disbanded discredited organisation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2021, 11:36:50 PM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:23:33 PM
Totally agree Heriberto.  Bruckner is a small time villain, I don't believe murder was ever on his radar.

And I don't believe that murder was on his mind either.  But there was always more to this than just him.
.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 03, 2021, 11:42:03 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 04:05:48 PM

if they didn’t understand the basics they had no chance of solving the case

What they didn't have was the chance to investigate it without interference from UK.


Interview to Gonçalo Amaral

The full coverage of Detective Gonçalo Amaral's interview can be found here, which aired on May 2017. His actual interview only starts at 4:45.

He was interviewed at the place of Madeleine's disappearance, and demonstrated some of the witnesses' testimonies in the locale. This coverage is interesting because a lot of the information covered is not commonly known by the general public, perhaps due to a lot of misinformation spread by the media.

Summary of the Interview:

Det. Amaral describes the political pressure he felt while working on the case, including the presence of the British ambassador in the site nearly 24 after the disappearance. The ambassador seemed to have pressured the police into following an investigation based solely on the abduction theory, which hindered police work.

The interviewer asked "What if this [children being left alone, and one going missing] had happened in Britain?" Amaral replied that British law seems to be tougher in terms of child safety and the parents had likely been convicted in that case. (Source on this British Law)

Amaral describes the McCann couple's special treatment, but does not seem to believe in conspiracy theories. He think they had special treatment simply because they were British upper class and, since they "messed up" overseas and not in their home country, received political protection from the UK.

There is a lot more to this special treatment instigated by friends in high places.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 03, 2021, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2021, 11:30:57 PM
Brutal and prolonged rape and torture is not “small time” imo and could well be a precursor to even more serious crimes.

Leopard and spots!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 03, 2021, 11:43:30 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 03, 2021, 05:05:03 PM
Amaral though the dogs proved maddie died in the apartment... They didnt. Amaral is making excuses for his own failings

It is one possibility among many.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2021, 11:46:21 PM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:35:01 PM
Don't be silly Dave, Gonçalo was there, and saw and heard a hell of a lot more than is reported in the files. In those circumstances he was best placed to solve the case but we all now know he was thwarted by the English authorities who refused to undertake certain requests relating to Madeleine's parents and the tapas group. Then there was the fiasco involving the FSS, a now disbanded discredited organisation.

Oh Dear.  This has to be The End.  Are you absolutely sure that you want me to be a Moderator?

And is there any wonder for why I wondered?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 03, 2021, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2021, 10:44:01 PM
A German poster on Websleuths quotes Wolters from a podcast explaining what he has done over the last year and exactly why he did it.
Wolters has also claimed much of what has been reported in the media is inaccurate - for example he has never claimed that Madeleine died in Portugal.

I have listened to the podcast and read the brief precis underneath.
I have not seen any media reports addressing what Wolters who is at the centre of all of this has actually said publicly - the 'news' of the day being Brueckner's former friends speculation about what the Germans are doing and why they are taking so long about doing it.
The real deal has detailed the facts but it seems the money is on opinions from folk who know nothing.

Keep your chin up Eleanor - you could well be proved right

I'm convinced Wolters is yet another chancer and that his plea for information was his last throw of the dice.  That came up empty too just like Redwood.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 03, 2021, 11:53:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 03, 2021, 11:46:21 PM
Oh Dear.  This has to be The End.  Are you absolutely sure that you want me to be a Moderator?

And is there any wonder for why I wondered?

You can't alter historical facts simply to appease a modern narrative.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 12:12:16 AM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:53:52 PM
You can't alter historical facts simply to appease a modern narrative.

Obfuscation at its finest.  But you are The Boss and this Forum has never been a Democracy.

Sheesh, I might die laughing in a minute.  If only I had sussed this sooner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:35:20 AM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:47:44 PM
I'm convinced Wolters is yet another chancer and that his plea for information was his last throw of the dice.  That came up empty too just like Redwood.

I think his hand was forced by Amaral showing the media exactly which stone to turn over for Brueckner's name to crawl out from.

I think it was very far from his last throw of the dice but I think it may ultimately prove to be Amaral's undoing.

Was it really possible for him to be as incompetent as he was when co-ordinating Madeleine's case?  Was there indeed a conspiracy ~ I think if there was one Amaral might be found to have had a finger in the pie or maybe even more than one.
One surely doesn't put misinformation into the public domain the way he has been caught doing without having a very murky reason for doing so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 01:22:45 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:35:20 AM
I think his hand was forced by Amaral showing the media exactly which stone to turn over for Brueckner's name to crawl out from.

I think it was very far from his last throw of the dice but I think it may ultimately prove to be Amaral's undoing.

Was it really possible for him to be as incompetent as he was when co-ordinating Madeleine's case?  Was there indeed a conspiracy ~ I think if there was one Amaral might be found to have had a finger in the pie or maybe even more than one.
One surely doesn't put misinformation into the public domain the way he has been caught doing without having a very murky reason for doing so.

Tis difficult isn't it.  I have long believed that Cristovao and Amaral had something to do with this.  Hence their reasons for being so vociferous against The McCanns.

Am I allowed to say this in my opinion?

But I wouldn't half like to see their phone movements on that night.

So let's get down and dirty on these two.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 01:26:24 AM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:35:01 PM
Don't be silly Dave, Gonçalo was there, and saw and heard a hell of a lot more than is reported in the files. In those circumstances he was best placed to solve the case but we all now know he was thwarted by the English authorities who refused to undertake certain requests relating to Madeleine's parents and the tapas group. Then there was the fiasco involving the FSS, a now disbanded discredited organisation.

I think GA had access to the files only in the first 5 months, and I am not sure he read them in that period. After being fired he lost access to the files until July, 2008, where they were made public ... It seems that in the beggining he was searching for a rapid solution, so he took into account the sayings of a journalist, and focused all his efforts in Murat ... When it became obvious that Murat was not guilty, he desperately tried to involved the McCanns, focusing all his efforts in them, with no results ... The first five months lost ... No alternative hypothesis was tested: for example, burglary that went wrong, paedo, or a combination of the two ... CB has an "interesting profile", like the OC driver, JCFdS ... But a "profile" is not enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 01:38:37 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 01:26:24 AM
I think GA had access to the files only in the first 5 months, and I am not sure he read them in that period. After being fired he lost access to the files until July, 2008, where they were made public ... It seems that in the beggining he was searching for a rapid solution, so he took into account the sayings of a journalist, and focused all his efforts in Murat ... When it became obvious that Murat was not guilty, he desperately tried to involved the McCanns, focusing all his efforts in them, with no results ... The first five months lost ... No alternative hypothesis was tested: for example, burglary that went wrong, paedo, or a combination of the two ... CB has an "interesting profile", like the OC driver, JCFdS ... But a "profile" is not enough.

Do you think that Amaral or Cristavoa could have been involved in this?

Just a passing thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 01:48:05 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 01:22:45 AM
Tis difficult isn't it.  I have long believed that Cristovao and Amaral had something to do with this.  Hence their reasons for being so vociferous against The McCanns.

Am I allowed to say this in my opinion?

But I wouldn't half like to see their phone movements on that night.

So let's get down and dirty on these two.

There has to be some reason for the vindictiveness both have shown against Madeleine's parents despite both of them making a lot of money from Madeleine's disappearance.
I think Christovao was the cleverer of the two when it came to that with his series on missing children.
Amaral in particular made a real career and living from Madeleine's case which I find extraordinary and until very recently was the man when comment was looked for
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 01:50:33 AM

I am not actually going to get an answer, am I?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 01:53:11 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 01:38:37 AM
Do you think that Amaral or Cristavoa could have been involved in this?

Just a passing thought.

Well they haven't 'proved their innocence' nor do they have a certificate of clearance.  So I think they must be in the same boat as anyone else who was active at the time and involved in Madeleine's case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 01:57:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 01:38:37 AM
Do you think that Amaral or Cristavoa could have been involved in this?

Just a passing thought.

GA involved in MM crime? I do not think so. But it is strange that it occured just the day before GA had to be in the court for the Cipriano case ... But mere coincidence, imo.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 02:08:25 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 01:57:27 AM
GA involved in MM crime? I do not think so. But it is strange that it occured just the day before GA had to be in the court for the Cipriano case ... But mere coincidence, imo.

I don't think Amaral was equipped to deal with the complexities of a missing child case and I think he was in desperation to have Madeleine's case concluded 'successfully' which he thought would deflect from his forthcoming perjury trial resulting from the torture of Leonor Cipriano.

I think he was the worst possible person to have been appointed as co-ordinator of Madeleine's case ~ he just didn't have the skills base.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 02:31:01 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 01:53:11 AM
Well they haven't 'proved their innocence' nor do they have a certificate of clearance.  So I think they must be in the same boat as anyone else who was active at the time and involved in Madeleine's case.

Oh do come on.  Neither Amaral or Cristovao have been Cleared.  So they could both be in the frame.  And both of them know a bit too much for my liking.

Look to the to two people who have done the most to incriminate The McCanns.

I am beginning to understand how Sadie feels.  Let us see for how long this comment will survive.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 02:52:22 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 01:57:27 AM
GA involved in MM crime? I do not think so. But it is strange that it occured just the day before GA had to be in the court for the Cipriano case ... But mere coincidence, imo.

If you think so.  I would bow to your greater knowledge of statistics.  But I would give some credence to my own  knowledge of human nature of which I know some.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 02:55:07 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 02:08:25 AM
I don't think Amaral was equipped to deal with the complexities of a missing child case and I think he was in desperation to have Madeleine's case concluded 'successfully' which he thought would deflect from his forthcoming perjury trial resulting from the torture of Leonor Cipriano.

I think he was the worst possible person to have been appointed as co-ordinator of Madeleine's case ~ he just didn't have the skills base.

If only I believed it was that simple.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 03:49:12 AM

I have now said what have been thinking for quite some time.  True or not is irrelevant.  But it remains a possibility and should therefore be discussed.  In My Opinion.  According to my right to Free Speach.
 
Or is  this Libel, like in which Amaral engaged.  So probably not.  Each to their own thoughts, according Portuguese Law.

And I. wouldn't half bet that no one wants to talk about this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2021, 07:08:48 AM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:42:38 PM
Leopard and spots!
What do you mean by that?  Are you saying “small time” sex offenders never become murderers?  Have you heard of Ian Huntley?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 07:16:57 AM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:35:01 PM
Don't be silly Dave, Gonçalo was there, and saw and heard a hell of a lot more than is reported in the files. In those circumstances he was best placed to solve the case but we all now know he was thwarted by the English authorities who refused to undertake certain requests relating to Madeleine's parents and the tapas group. Then there was the fiasco involving the FSS, a now disbanded discredited organisation.

Im surprised anyone can get so much wrong in a single post.
Facts are what is important. Amaral and the rest of the PJ fid not understand thr evidence. The dog alerts did not prove a death in the apartment. The DNA also proved nothing.
The FSS was closed for financial reasons snd has not been discredited.
Imo the only prrson who hss been discredited... Sacked from the case.. Convicted of perjury... Failure to understand the evidence... Is Amaral

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 07:21:12 AM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:47:44 PM
I'm convinced Wolters is yet another chancer and that his plea for information was his last throw of the dice.  That came up empty too just like Redwood.

Im surprised at your lack of judgement. This is the year when a lot of questions will be answered. I seem to remember you saying the McCanns had no chance of success at the ECHR..
I think the ECHR will be highly critical of Amaral and the SC in their judgement
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:53:52 PM
You can't alter historical facts simply to appease a modern narrative.

Are you aware thst it was the FSS who developed LCN DNA.
That means thst without the FSS there would have been no DNA to test in the MM case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2021, 07:30:09 AM
The complete absence of logic in thinking that because a suspect does not have previous convictions for murder it discounts him from being a murder suspect is quite staggering imo, particularly coming from an ex policeman. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 07:42:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2021, 07:16:57 AM
Im surprised anyone can get so much wrong in a single post.
Facts are what is important. Amaral and the rest of the PJ fid not understand thr evidence. The dog alerts did not prove a death in the apartment. The DNA also proved nothing.
The FSS was closed for financial reasons snd has not been discredited.
Imo the only prrson who hss been discredited... Sacked from the case.. Convicted of perjury... Failure to understand the evidence... Is Amaral

Facts are important, and they are conspicuous by their absence when it comes to the latest suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 07:44:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 07:42:13 AM
Facts are important, and they are conspicuous by their absence when it comes to the latest suspect.
I dont think they are... You dont know what evidence Wolters has.
Wolters is unpopular here because he is going to prove so many people wrong... Imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2021, 07:59:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 07:42:13 AM
Facts are important, and they are conspicuous by their absence when it comes to the latest suspect.
There are plenty of facts known about Bruckener, most of which some people here are desperate to downplay or ignore all together.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 08:46:57 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 03:49:12 AM
I have now said what have been thinking for quite some time.  True or not is irrelevant.  But it remains a possibility and should therefore be discussed.  In My Opinion.  According to my right to Free Speach.
 
Or is  this Libel, like in which Amaral engaged.  So probably not.  Each to their own thoughts, according Portuguese Law.

And I. wouldn't half bet that no one wants to talk about this.

I will guarantee that police corruption in Madeleine's case is not a popular issue - but there are unanswered questions about it still.

With reference to the Cardinal case which marked the start of prosecutions taken out against Christovao it was proven in court that as a coercive measure in the corruption, money was illicitly deposited in peoples' bank accounts. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2635.msg284893#msg284893
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2635.msg284944#msg284944

Similarly money was deposited in the bank account of one of the GNR first responders to Madeleine's disappearance which nobody talks about and as far as I know, has never been explained.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 08:51:36 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 07:42:13 AM
Facts are important, and they are conspicuous by their absence when it comes to the latest suspect.

You cannot possibly know that.  You have no idea what information the investigation holds on Brueckner.  Unless you care to share with us your comment is steeped in nothing but ignorance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 09:13:36 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2021, 07:44:42 AM
I dont think they are... You dont know what evidence Wolters has.
Wolters is unpopular here because he is going to prove so many people wrong... Imo

I don't need to know what evidence Wolters has because I know he hasn't got enough to charge his suspect. I know that's a fact because he admitted it.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 09:17:14 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 09:13:36 AM
I don't need to know what evidence Wolters has because I know he hasn't got enough to charge his suspect. I know that's a fact because he admitted it.

That doesn't tell you what evidence he has. As far ss Im aware he doesnt have enough to convict at the moment... And is looking for more evidence. He has said his evidence shows CB murdered MM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 10:21:31 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2021, 09:17:14 AM
That doesn't tell you what evidence he has. As far ss Im aware he doesnt have enough to convict at the moment... And is looking for more evidence. He has said his evidence shows CB murdered MM

Unless Wolters finds enough evidence to charge his suspect the evidence he claims to have will never be revealed imo. That's why I see no point in discussing it, speculating about it or relying on it.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2021, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2021, 07:21:12 AM
Im surprised at your lack of judgement. This is the year when a lot of questions will be answered. I seem to remember you saying the McCanns had no chance of success at the ECHR..
I think the ECHR will be highly critical of Amaral and the SC in their judgement

You wish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 10:30:32 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 02:08:25 AM
I don't think Amaral was equipped to deal with the complexities of a missing child case and I think he was in desperation to have Madeleine's case concluded 'successfully' which he thought would deflect from his forthcoming perjury trial resulting from the torture of Leonor Cipriano.

I think he was the worst possible person to have been appointed as co-ordinator of Madeleine's case ~ he just didn't have the skills base.

AFAIK, he was the only coordinator in Portimão. If so, the alternative would have been to send another one down from Faro... but I suppose the optics wouldn't have been too good just as the Cipriano saga was looming.

I doubt Amaral was involved, but I do sometimes wonder if he was aware of Brückner being a possibility and chose not to investigate him. There are a couple of things I find odd, although I suppose they could be coincidences:

- Despite Brückner's long history of drug-dealing, I can't find any mention of him being arrested for it in the Algarve. Were some officers taking backhanders?

- Brückner could well have been in the vicinity of where Joana disappeared (he certainly was earlier in the year)... and investigating him for Madeleine's disappearance might have brought up Joana's case again.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 10:35:07 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 01:26:24 AM
I think GA had access to the files only in the first 5 months, and I am not sure he read them in that period. After being fired he lost access to the files until July, 2008, where they were made public ... It seems that in the beggining he was searching for a rapid solution, so he took into account the sayings of a journalist, and focused all his efforts in Murat ... When it became obvious that Murat was not guilty, he desperately tried to involved the McCanns, focusing all his efforts in them, with no results ... The first five months lost ... No alternative hypothesis was tested: for example, burglary that went wrong, paedo, or a combination of the two ... CB has an "interesting profile", like the OC driver, JCFdS ... But a "profile" is not enough.

I agree with most of that except that I suspect he took a copy of the files up to that point with him (or at least the parts he was interested in) as I don't see how his book could have been written, edited, and published in such a short time otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 10:47:12 AM
Whatever the outcome of the ECHR may be, the court will not even mention Amaral. They are to pronounce judgment on the decision made by the SC of Porugal.
.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 11:10:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 10:21:31 AM
Unless Wolters finds enough evidence to charge his suspect the evidence he claims to have will never be revealed imo. That's why I see no point in discussing it, speculating about it or relying on it.

I disgree. If CB isnt charged... What will SY do... What will the parents do. Even without CB being charged I feel Wolters will have to reveal his information. You seem to think its ok for posters to claim HCW has no evidence but not OK for posters to disagree
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 11:15:47 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2021, 10:47:12 AM
Whatever the outcome of the ECHR may be, the court will not even mention Amaral. They are to pronounce judgment on the decision made by the SC of Porugal.
.

Im sure you are wrong.. The judgement is about the balance the SC made between the right of Amaral and those e of the McCanns. One of the important reasons to support amarals freedom of speech was the evidence amaral relied on to make his accusations.
For that reason the ECHR will need to look at the evidence in the case and whether Amaral was reasonable to reach his conclusions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 11:21:07 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 01:26:24 AM
I think GA had access to the files only in the first 5 months, and I am not sure he read them in that period. After being fired he lost access to the files until July, 2008, where they were made public ... It seems that in the beggining he was searching for a rapid solution, so he took into account the sayings of a journalist, and focused all his efforts in Murat ... When it became obvious that Murat was not guilty, he desperately tried to involved the McCanns, focusing all his efforts in them, with no results ... The first five months lost ... No alternative hypothesis was tested: for example, burglary that went wrong, paedo, or a combination of the two ... CB has an "interesting profile", like the OC driver, JCFdS ... But a "profile" is not enough.

My view is that by believing the hype around thr dogs Amaral believed he had proof Maddie died in the apartment and the
parents eere to blame.
Have you listened to all HCW had said.. I cant see any way he only has a profile.. That would be plainly ridiculous imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2021, 11:21:07 AM
My view is that by believing the hype around thr dogs Amaral believed he had proof Maddie died in the apartment and the
parents eere to blame.
Have you listened to all HCW had said.. I cant see any way he only has a profile.. That would be plainly ridiculous imo

That would be plainly ridiculous imo

Seems its been plainly ridiculous from a year ago as yesterday.

It was plain to see then wolt took a gamble that certainly hasn't paid off.

Its about time to just let it go - like all the other so called suspects of the past.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 11:40:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2021, 11:15:47 AM
Im sure you are wrong.. The judgement is about the balance the SC made between the right of Amaral and those e of the McCanns. One of the important reasons to support amarals freedom of speech was the evidence amaral relied on to make his accusations.
For that reason the ECHR will need to look at the evidence in the case and whether Amaral was reasonable to reach his conclusions

Logical response as usual.

There would have been no question of Portugal breaching the McCann's human rights without the interpretation put on Amaral's appeal by the Supreme court judges; for that reason I think Amaral will be featured in the ECHR.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
That would be plainly ridiculous imo

Seems its been plainly ridiculous from a year ago as yesterday.

It was plain to see then wolt took a gamble that certainly hasn't paid off.

Its about time to just let it go - like all the other so called suspects of the past.

You may hope that Wolters won't succeed in discovering what happened to Madeleine.  But I really don't think you are in any position to 'advise' Wolters "to let it go" since you have absolutely no idea what he is working on or where it may lead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 11:40:24 AM
Logical response as usual.

There would have been no question of Portugal breaching the McCann's human rights without the interpretation put on Amaral's appeal by the Supreme court judges; for that reason I think Amaral will be featured in the ECHR.

Well with a bit of luck we'll soon see how wrong you are. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2021, 11:49:47 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 04, 2021, 01:38:37 AM
Do you think that Amaral or Cristavoa could have been involved in this?

Just a passing thought.

Absolutely not. Amaral had a reasonably successful career until the Madeleine case came along. He was also a victim of the McCanns stupidity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 11:55:31 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 10:35:07 AM
I agree with most of that except that I suspect he took a copy of the files up to that point with him (or at least the parts he was interested in) as I don't see how his book could have been written, edited, and published in such a short time otherwise.

The GA book only contains a very small part of the PJ files first 5 months.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2021, 11:49:47 AM
Absolutely not. Amaral had a reasonably successful career until the Madeleine case came along. He was also a victim of the McCanns stupidity.

And of their vindictiveness -  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 11:47:36 AM
You may hope that Wolters won't succeed in discovering what happened to Madeleine.  But I really don't think you are in any position to 'advise' Wolters "to let it go" since you have absolutely no idea what he is working on or where it may lead.

hope

Not at all this was predicted a year ago ......  what ever  wolt has would come to nothing.

Not hope ...it was just obvious.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:12:18 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 10:30:32 AM
AFAIK, he was the only coordinator in Portimão. If so, the alternative would have been to send another one down from Faro... but I suppose the optics wouldn't have been too good just as the Cipriano saga was looming.

I doubt Amaral was involved, but I do sometimes wonder if he was aware of Brückner being a possibility and chose not to investigate him. There are a couple of things I find odd, although I suppose they could be coincidences:

- Despite Brückner's long history of drug-dealing, I can't find any mention of him being arrested for it in the Algarve. Were some officers taking backhanders?

- Brückner could well have been in the vicinity of where Joana disappeared (he certainly was earlier in the year)... and investigating him for Madeleine's disappearance might have brought up Joana's case again.

Brueckner seemed to have had a charmed life as far as drug dealing goes when he was in the Algarve and I think it incomprehensible that Amaral (who I have seen accredited with drug busts) didn't know about his existence.

Maybe backhanders were not as relevant as giving out information was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:19:04 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2021, 11:49:47 AM
Absolutely not. Amaral had a reasonably successful career until the Madeleine case came along. He was also a victim of the McCanns stupidity.
I think you've got that wrong, John.  I don't think Amaral was a victim of anyone but himself and I think his stupidity in the handling of Madeleine's case when his mind was occupied with being made an arguido on 4th May could very well have cost Madeleine very dear.
Particularly as he was intent on rerunning the Cipriano case only this time round he wasn't dealing with illiterate peasants.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 11:55:31 AM
The GA book only contains a very small part of the PJ files first 5 months.

He allegedly based it on the files up until Almeida's interim report.  Therefore his book wasn't worth the paper it was written on as it didn't carry through to where the Policia Judiciaria dismissed most of it and archived the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2021, 12:09:51 PM
And of their vindictiveness -  IMO

And how do you account for your opprobrium?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 12:10:16 PM
hope

Not at all this was predicted a year ago ......  what ever  wolt has would come to nothing.

Not hope ...it was just obvious.

Did you predict it your own self or did Amaral in his infamous 'patsy' reference which you merely repeat ad nauseum😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
And how do you account for your opprobrium?

I see you've been dipping into Readers Digest 'Improve your word power' again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2021, 11:10:07 AM
I disgree. If CB isnt charged... What will SY do... What will the parents do. Even without CB being charged I feel Wolters will have to reveal his information. You seem to think its ok for posters to claim HCW has no evidence but not OK for posters to disagree

I don't think anyone can compel the Germans to share the information that they have. I think Wolters has something but as it's not sufficient to lay charges it isn't important to know what it is. Did OG ever reveal the evidence which led them to pursue the ex OC driver and his associates?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2021, 11:49:47 AM
Absolutely not. Amaral had a reasonably successful career until the Madeleine case came along. He was also a victim of the McCanns stupidity.

I dont think we know much about amarals career apart from his...imo.. Appalling part in the Cipriano case.

I thiink he was a victim of his own stupidity
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 12:49:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
I don't think anyone can compel the Germans to share the information that they have. I think Wolters has something but as it's not sufficient to lay charges it isn't important to know what it is. Did OG ever reveal the evidence which led them to pursue the ex OC driver and his associates?

So if HCW has virtual proof Maddie is dead you dont think it's important to share that with DY or the McCanns... I find that a bizarre opinion and I dont see many agreeing with you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 12:10:16 PM
hope

Not at all this was predicted a year ago ......  what ever  wolt has would come to nothing.

Not hope ...it was just obvious.
I predict you and others have a massive shock coming to you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 12:57:57 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:30:04 PM
Did you predict it your own self or did Amaral in his infamous 'patsy' reference which you merely repeat ad nauseum😁



No, how could I believe CB was the abductor...when I dont believe Maddie was abducted in the first place
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:19:04 PM
I think you've got that wrong, John.  I don't think Amaral was a victim of anyone but himself and I think his stupidity in the handling of Madeleine's case when his mind was occupied with being made an arguido on 4th May could very well have cost Madeleine very dear.
Particularly as he was intent on rerunning the Cipriano case only this time round he wasn't dealing with illiterate peasants.

he wasn't dealing with illiterate peasants.

No, But so called parents imo who took their children on  what seems an adult holiday.

Failing to protect them ...and leaving them to there fate. imo.

Ironic it seems a mother who forgives the so called  abductor ..but not G.A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 01:03:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2021, 12:54:18 PM
I predict you and others have a massive shock coming to you

Wrong again..........nothing would shock me in this case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2021, 01:04:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2021, 12:54:18 PM
I predict you and others have a massive shock coming to you

Away with you, I don't touch electrics.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2021, 01:10:51 PM
4 years its seems, blooming  german concrete isn't very good.



Police have been investigating the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case for four years, Sky News has learned.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-police-have-been-investigating-prime-suspect-in-case-for-four-years-12324624
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 01:23:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2021, 01:10:51 PM
4 years its seems, blooming  german concrete isn't very good.



Police have been investigating the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case for four years, Sky News has learned.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-police-have-been-investigating-prime-suspect-in-case-for-four-years-12324624

Mere beginners. They've a long way to go yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2021, 01:26:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
That would be plainly ridiculous imo

Seems its been plainly ridiculous from a year ago as yesterday.

It was plain to see then wolt took a gamble that certainly hasn't paid off.

Its about time to just let it go - like all the other so called suspects of the past.
How about you let it go, by that I mean all your suspicions about the McCanns. Except you can't can you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2021, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2021, 11:49:47 AM
Absolutely not. Amaral had a reasonably successful career until the Madeleine case came along. He was also a victim of the McCanns stupidity.
How on earth do you come to that conclusion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 01:57:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
I see you've been dipping into Readers Digest 'Improve your word power' again.

Now you come to mention it I did follow 'Improve your word power' avidly as a child ~ but I used to study atlases and dictionaries too and boy!!! my stamp collection was a joy to behold (would be worth a lot of money nowadays too).
How discerning of you to notice 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 01:59:02 PM
To me, it seems that some other process/progression is preventing Mr Wolters to advance the case re. Brückner at the moment. It may well be the ‘Boystown’ arrests of Christian Manfred Kruse (and his extradition to Germany), Alexander G, Andreas G and Otto Fritz K. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 02:00:15 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 12:57:57 PM


No, how could I believe CB was the abductor...when I dont believe Maddie was abducted in the first place

                    Hmmm 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 12:12:18 PM
Brueckner seemed to have had a charmed life as far as drug dealing goes when he was in the Algarve and I think it incomprehensible that Amaral (who I have seen accredited with drug busts) didn't know about his existence.

Maybe backhanders were not as relevant as giving out information was.

I've only read about him being accredited for a drug bust by Levy (while he was still technically on the Faro payroll). I have doubts as to whether he ever set foot in the place for work purposes once he got booted off the case, let alone coordinate a massive drug bust.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2021, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 01:59:02 PM
To me, it seems that some other process/progression is preventing Mr Wolters to advance the case re. Brückner at the moment. It may well be the ‘Boystown’ arrests of Christian Manfred Kruse (and his extradition to Germany), Alexander G, Andreas G and Otto Fritz K. My opinion.

Or, at best the circumstantial is just that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 02:04:47 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2021, 12:59:10 PM
he wasn't dealing with illiterate peasants.

No, But so called parents imo who took their children on  what seems an adult holiday.

Failing to protect them ...and leaving them to there fate. imo.

Ironic it seems a mother who forgives the so called  abductor ..but not G.A.

How many times have you reiterated exactly that over the last fourteen years.  You obviously don't find it as tiresome and repetitive as I think people who don't have similar obsessions probably would.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 02:14:20 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 02:02:56 PM
I've only read about him being accredited for a drug bust by Levy (while he was still technically on the Faro payroll). I have doubts as to whether he ever set foot in the place for work purposes once he got booted off the case, let alone coordinate a massive drug bust.

In her open letter to Kate, his wife complained vociferously about him being regularly passed over for promotion.

Rather than the excuses she made up for him perhaps it was because he just really wasn't up to the job
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 02:04:47 PM
How many times have you reiterated exactly that over the last fourteen years.  You obviously don't find it as tiresome and repetitive as I think people who don't have similar obsessions probably would.


Irony alert.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 02:18:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2021, 02:03:17 PM
Or, at best the circumstantial is just that.

I've no idea what you are trying to say ... care to interpret for me?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2021, 12:49:36 PM
So if HCW has virtual proof Maddie is dead you dont think it's important to share that with DY or the McCanns... I find that a bizarre opinion and I dont see many agreeing with you

It doesn't matter whether I (or you) think it's important, it's up to the Germans. They appear to have forged ahead for a year without sharing what they have so I have no reason to believe they would be more open in the future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2021, 01:27:25 PM
How on earth do you come to that conclusion?

It's very simple, had Madeleine not disappeared his career would have continued.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
I don't think anyone can compel the Germans to share the information that they have. I think Wolters has something but as it's not sufficient to lay charges it isn't important to know what it is. Did OG ever reveal the evidence which led them to pursue the ex OC driver and his associates?

He can't have anything of any significance otherwise it would have been shared with the missing child's parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 02:18:39 PM
It doesn't matter whether I (or you) think it's important, it's up to the Germans. They appear to have forged ahead for a year without sharing what they have so I have no reason to believe they would be more open in the future.

Why do you think they should share when what should have been confidential information was splattered all over the internet by Amaral ~ who should have known nothing at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2021, 01:10:51 PM
4 years its seems, blooming  german concrete isn't very good.



Police have been investigating the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case for four years, Sky News has learned.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-police-have-been-investigating-prime-suspect-in-case-for-four-years-12324624

I'm not sure there's anything new in that. My understanding is that there was a tip-off when the first German equivalent of Crimewatchers was first aired, but which evidently needed to be checked out as did the others.

One detail stands out for me is registering the Jag in a pal's name. Unless he's had several Jags, he got stopped by the traffic cops for not having changed his plates (from German to PT ones)... and that was in the year that Joana disappeared not far from her village. For the moment, I still find that a bit of a mystery, although there could be a logical explanation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 02:25:26 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
He can't have anything of any significance otherwise it would have been shared with the missing child's parents.

And have Mitchell leak to the papers in the guise of a 'family pal' or even as an 'anonymous source'??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
It's very simple, had Madeleine not disappeared his career would have continued.

That is debateable, John, considering that he may very well have jumped before he was pushed before the Cipriano verdict was returned, enabling the retention of a good whack of his pension as a result.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
It's very simple, had Madeleine not disappeared his career would have continued.

Would it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 11:55:31 AM
The GA book only contains a very small part of the PJ files first 5 months.

The process takes a lot longer than a few weeks from writing to the printed version available for distribution.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 02:40:27 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
He can't have anything of any significance otherwise it would have been shared with the missing child's parents.

He has said exactly why he hasnt shared it with the parents.
I cannot see him making such s bold statement that Maddie is dead based on nothing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
He can't have anything of any significance otherwise it would have been shared with the missing child's parents.

I doubt if he can prove that Madeleine was murdered. If he can and didn't tell her parents that's unforgivable imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 02:46:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
I doubt if he can prove that Madeleine was murdered. If he can and didn't tell her parents that's unforgivable imo.

Murder is very specific.
Can he even state with certainty that she is dead ? If he can, the parents should have been informed of that fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2021, 07:30:09 AM
The complete absence of logic in thinking that because a suspect does not have previous convictions for murder it discounts him from being a murder suspect is quite staggering imo, particularly coming from an ex policeman.

Quite some time ago, I watched a documentary on YouTube of a UK profiler (I don't think it was Canter, but an equally well-known one). All I really remember about it was that anyone - from a petty theft upwards - should be checked and ruled in or out as crimes can sometimes escalate in nature, depending on the psychological profile of a person of interest.

NB: His offending history would seem to fit the bill as a red flag according to that approach, even though it could turn out to be a false one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
I doubt if he can prove that Madeleine was murdered. If he can and didn't tell her parents that's unforgivable imo.

TBH, I found it somewhat insenstive at the time that the family might have only learned about developments via the media. OTH, at some point early on, there was a clarification that a letter had been sent (via the police?) to the UK police, who were then to inform the family.  Was there a mix-up of communication at some point?

I find it possible that the family have since been informed of more details, perhaps unofficially. However, I also find it possible that they have been informed of the bare minimum as other, related, investigations may still be ongoing and a leak / hack from anyone could create chaos.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 03:08:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
I doubt if he can prove that Madeleine was murdered. If he can and didn't tell her parents that's unforgivable imo.
I think he can prove it...if he couldnt then it would be unforgivable. Its amazing how you have never referred to what amaral has done as being unforgivable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 04, 2021, 03:11:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
I doubt if he can prove that Madeleine was murdered. If he can and didn't tell her parents that's unforgivable imo.

I think if he can the parents will be eternally grateful to him for providing closure
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 03:02:53 PM
TBH, I found it somewhat insenstive at the time that the family might have only learned about developments via the media. OTH, at some point early on, there was a clarification that a letter had been sent (via the police?) to the UK police, who were then to inform the family.  Was there a mix-up of communication at some point?

I find it possible that the family have since been informed of more details, perhaps unofficially. However, I also find it possible that they have been informed of the bare minimum as other, related, investigations may still be ongoing and a leak / hack from anyone could create chaos.

That would be by far the better approach - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 03:26:52 PM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2021, 11:23:33 PM
Totally agree Heriberto.  Bruckner is a small time villain, I don't believe murder was ever on his radar.

A small-time villain?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2021, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: John on June 04, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
It's very simple, had Madeleine not disappeared his career would have continued.
How come he was the only victim out of the entire PJ?  Nothing to do with his own stupidity I suppose? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 05:10:50 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 02:46:46 PM
Quite some time ago, I watched a documentary on YouTube of a UK profiler (I don't think it was Canter, but an equally well-known one). All I really remember about it was that anyone - from a petty theft upwards - should be checked and ruled in or out as crimes can sometimes escalate in nature, depending on the psychological profile of a person of interest.

NB: His offending history would seem to fit the bill as a red flag according to that approach, even though it could turn out to be a false one.

In my opinion if it is possible to pull out all the stops to investigate a person it should be done; it is not a waste of time to eliminate someone as that will enable progress to the next stage
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 03:02:53 PM
TBH, I found it somewhat insenstive at the time that the family might have only learned about developments via the media. OTH, at some point early on, there was a clarification that a letter had been sent (via the police?) to the UK police, who were then to inform the family.  Was there a mix-up of communication at some point?

I find it possible that the family have since been informed of more details, perhaps unofficially. However, I also find it possible that they have been informed of the bare minimum as other, related, investigations may still be ongoing and a leak / hack from anyone could create chaos.

Summed up perfectly, Carana.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 05:26:38 PM
Published today.

Mr Wolters said: "By that time Christian B had been under investigation already for three years. We did not take the decision to go public lightly.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-police-have-been-investigating-prime-suspect-in-case-for-four-years-12324624?fbclid=IwAR07qcgB3PWnta-77hLmY9iu0zpU6bxX7MRnSYNzsERyUSN92SPAShHQ7tc
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 05:33:07 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 03, 2021, 04:05:48 PM

if they didn’t understand the basics they had no chance of solving the case

What they didn't have was the chance to investigate it without interference from UK.


Interview to Gonçalo Amaral

The full coverage of Detective Gonçalo Amaral's interview can be found here, which aired on May 2017. His actual interview only starts at 4:45.

He was interviewed at the place of Madeleine's disappearance, and demonstrated some of the witnesses' testimonies in the locale. This coverage is interesting because a lot of the information covered is not commonly known by the general public, perhaps due to a lot of misinformation spread by the media.

Summary of the Interview:

Det. Amaral describes the political pressure he felt while working on the case, including the presence of the British ambassador in the site nearly 24 after the disappearance. The ambassador seemed to have pressured the police into following an investigation based solely on the abduction theory, which hindered police work.

The interviewer asked "What if this [children being left alone, and one going missing] had happened in Britain?" Amaral replied that British law seems to be tougher in terms of child safety and the parents had likely been convicted in that case. (Source on this British Law)

Amaral describes the McCann couple's special treatment, but does not seem to believe in conspiracy theories. He think they had special treatment simply because they were British upper class and, since they "messed up" overseas and not in their home country, received political protection from the UK.

He's hardly likely to say that just perhaps the British ambassador was aware of Portimão's reputation for slippery stairs, is he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 05:37:01 PM
Mr Wolters’ most recent interview.

Translation credit: Ulrike U:

X: SY still assumes a missing person case, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office and the BKA assume a murder. How do you work together? Does SY have any other findings? Is there different evidence?

W: That is probably because SY has been investigating the case since 2007 and at that time it was assumed that the girl could still be alive, that she could only be missing.
In Germany, we have only been investigating since 2017, and at the time when the whole investigation began here, we already had such solid evidence that the girl was dead that it didn't make sense to let it go on under a cloak of secrecy, but it was absolutely clear that it had to be classified as a homicide.
In addition, in Germany we as public prosecutors only take action if there has been a crime. And if someone is missing, that is regrettable but it doesn't have to be a crime, everyone has the right to keep their whereabouts secret from others, but thank God there is not always a crime behind it. That's one point why we have to say a missing person case couldn't have happened like that at the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office. The police, yes. They also investigate missing persons cases, which is different with the public prosecutor's office.
That is the reason why we are conducting criminal proceedings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 04, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
I doubt if he can prove that Madeleine was murdered. If he can and didn't tell her parents that's unforgivable imo.

Wolters is working towards finding out what may have happened to Madeleine and based on zero knowledge you find his approach "unforgivable".

What is it you don't find unforgivable about the unrelenting vendetta the McCanns have suffered for over fourteen years - that isn't designed to help it is designed to cause actual harm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 06:13:10 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 05:37:01 PM
Mr Wolters’ most recent interview.

Translation credit: Ulrike U:

X: SY still assumes a missing person case, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office and the BKA assume a murder. How do you work together? Does SY have any other findings? Is there different evidence?

W: That is probably because SY has been investigating the case since 2007 and at that time it was assumed that the girl could still be alive, that she could only be missing.
In Germany, we have only been investigating since 2017, and at the time when the whole investigation began here, we already had such solid evidence that the girl was dead that it didn't make sense to let it go on under a cloak of secrecy, but it was absolutely clear that it had to be classified as a homicide.
In addition, in Germany we as public prosecutors only take action if there has been a crime. And if someone is missing, that is regrettable but it doesn't have to be a crime, everyone has the right to keep their whereabouts secret from others, but thank God there is not always a crime behind it. That's one point why we have to say a missing person case couldn't have happened like that at the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office. The police, yes. They also investigate missing persons cases, which is different with the public prosecutor's office.
That is the reason why we are conducting criminal proceedings.

Thanks, Anthro. Is there a link to the source?

Trying to work out what he means. And I know nothing about German criminal law. Coming to grips with the Portuguese codes was bad enough.

A case can be considered as a missing person investigation by the police, but if the prosecution takes it up, there has to be suspicion (founded?) of a crime? Treating it as a crime might provide more powers to investigate, search warrant facilitation, etc. Not sure.

NB: Or does he mean that it wouldn't have made it to the prosecutor's office unless there had been (whatever level of) suspicion of a crime?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2021, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 06:13:10 PM
Thanks, Anthro. Is there a link to the source?

Trying to work out what he means. And I know nothing about German criminal law. Coming to grips with the Portuguese codes was bad enough.

A case can be considered as a missing person investigation by the police, but if the prosecution takes it up, there has to be suspicion (founded?) of a crime? Treating it as a crime might provide more powers to investigate, search warrant facilitation, etc. Not sure.

NB: Or does he mean that it wouldn't have made it to the prosecutor's office unless there had been (whatever level of) suspicion of a crime?

What concerns me more is that a prosecutor who should know every twist and turn of this case thinks that SY have been investigating this crime since 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on June 04, 2021, 06:29:36 PM
What concerns me more is that a prosecutor who should know every twist and turn of this case thinks that SY have been investigating this crime since 2007.

They were assisting as of 2007, but didn't have the lead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 06:13:10 PM
Thanks, Anthro. Is there a link to the source?

Trying to work out what he means. And I know nothing about German criminal law. Coming to grips with the Portuguese codes was bad enough.

A case can be considered as a missing person investigation by the police, but if the prosecution takes it up, there has to be suspicion (founded?) of a crime? Treating it as a crime might provide more powers to investigate, search warrant facilitation, etc. Not sure.

NB: Or does he mean that it wouldn't have made it to the prosecutor's office unless there had been (whatever level of) suspicion of a crime?
Hi Carana, I will look for the link. The translator did not refer to any but it is Mr Wolters’ interview, dated today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 06:57:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on June 04, 2021, 06:29:36 PM
What concerns me more is that a prosecutor who should know every twist and turn of this case thinks that SY have been investigating this crime since 2007.
More like lost in translation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 07:04:26 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 06:57:08 PM
More like lost in translation?

If that's the case, what else might have been lost in translation ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2021, 07:09:18 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 06:34:24 PM
They were assisting as of 2007, but didn't have the lead.

Their "expertise" didn't help then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 07:10:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2021, 07:04:26 PM
If that's the case, what else might have been lost in translation ?
Yes, also during the PJ investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 04, 2021, 07:09:18 PM
Their "expertise" didn't help then.

'Too many cooks', according to the review
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 07:13:12 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 07:10:25 PM
Yes, also during the PJ investigation.

Yeah, all these foreigners. If they just spoke fluent English, everything would be so much simpler. ?8)@)-)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2021, 07:13:12 PM
Yeah, all these foreigners. If they just spoke fluent English, everything would be so much simpler. ?8)@)-)
What exactly is your notion of ‘a foreigner’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 07:32:24 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 07:28:05 PM
What exactly is your notion of ‘a foreigner’.

Anyone who didn't win the lottery of life by being born  English, of course.    ?{)(**


Mind you, these days some of them aren't exactly fluent in the old mother tongue.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2021, 07:32:24 PM
Anyone who didn't win the lottery of life by being born  English, of course.    ?{)(**


Mind you, these days some of them aren't exactly fluent in the old mother tongue.
You are not xenophobic by any chance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2021, 08:18:29 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 06:34:24 PM
They were assisting as of 2007, but didn't have the lead.

Wasn’t it the Leceistershire police who were assisting?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2021, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 06:57:08 PM
More like lost in translation?

Possibly. Is the translator a German speaker?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2021, 08:24:54 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on June 04, 2021, 08:18:29 PM
Wasn’t it the Leceistershire police who were assisting?

And CEOPS and various other agencies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2021, 08:26:56 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 08:07:00 PM
You are not xenophobic by any chance?

Moi?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 08:31:38 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2021, 08:26:56 PM
Moi?
Yebo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2021, 08:33:29 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2021, 08:24:54 PM
And CEOPS and various other agencies.

Of course but SY?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2021, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on June 04, 2021, 08:33:29 PM
Of course but SY?

Just for a refresher.

https://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Strategic-debrief-operation-task-2009.pdf
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 04, 2021, 10:31:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on June 04, 2021, 06:29:36 PM
What concerns me more is that a prosecutor who should know every twist and turn of this case thinks that SY have been investigating this crime since 2007.
It doesn’t concern me in the slightest.  He’s a human being who made a mistake that has no tangible bearing on his overall message nor on the ongoing investigation itself.  You’re just making something out of nothing again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 10:57:12 PM
I would love to know which is considered "non-forensic evidence" in Germany.
May anyone here clarify?
Thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2021, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 10:57:12 PM
I would love to know which is considered "non-forensic evidence" in Germany.
May anyone here clarify?
Thanks.

I know nothing at all about German procedures, sorry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2021, 02:40:53 AM
https://i-sight.com/resources/15-types-of-evidence-and-how-to-use-them-in-investigation/

Photos/videos are classed as demonstrative evidence i.e they directly demonstrate a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 02:55:22 AM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2021, 02:40:53 AM
https://i-sight.com/resources/15-types-of-evidence-and-how-to-use-them-in-investigation/

Photos/videos are classed as demonstrative evidence i.e they directly demonstrate a fact.

Thank you. But my question was "what do the German consider NON-forensic evidence?"

Nevertheless, we can begin with the definition you sent, misty, although it seems to be not a German definition,

"Forensic Evidence is scientific evidence, such as DNA, trace evidence, fingerprints or ballistics reports, and can provide proof to establish a person’s guilt or innocence. Forensic evidence is generally considered to be strong and reliable evidence and alongside helping to convict criminals, its role in exonerating the innocent has been well documented. The term “forensic” means “for the courts”. Its use in workplace investigations is generally limited to serious cases that may end up in court."

So HCW has not scientific evidence, and cannot provide proof. My question is: if you do not have scientific evidence on CB involvement, how are you sure CB killed MM?



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2021, 03:11:40 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 02:55:22 AM
Thank you. But my question was "what do the German consider NON-forensic evidence?"

Nevertheless, we can begin with the definition you sent, misty, although it seems to be not a German definition,

"Forensic Evidence is scientific evidence, such as DNA, trace evidence, fingerprints or ballistics reports, and can provide proof to establish a person’s guilt or innocence. Forensic evidence is generally considered to be strong and reliable evidence and alongside helping to convict criminals, its role in exonerating the innocent has been well documented. The term “forensic” means “for the courts”. Its use in workplace investigations is generally limited to serious cases that may end up in court."

So HCW has not scientific evidence, and cannot provide proof. My question is: if you do not have scientific evidence on CB involvement, how are you sure CB killed MM?

Without scientific evidence that Madeleine is dead, how can anyone be proven to have killed her? BKA must have acquired different forms of evidence which, when added together, may prove their suspect killed her. I have just read that Germany also accept hearsay evidence under their Civil Procedure code, which explains why Busching's testimony was instrumental in convicting Brueckner in the 2005 rape case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 03:17:30 AM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2021, 03:11:40 AM
Without scientific evidence that Madeleine is dead, how can anyone be proven to have killed her? BKA must have acquired different forms of evidence which, when added together, may prove their suspect killed her. I have just read that Germany also accept hearsay evidence under their Civil Procedure code, which explains why Busching's testimony was instrumental in convicting Brueckner in the 2005 rape case.

Thanks misty.

Try "nicht forensische Beweise" (non-forensic evidence) in Google ... Not many entries, i think.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 03:25:32 AM
It seems HCW said MM is dead, based only in statistics of previous cases ...

https://www.rnd.de/panorama/fall-maddie-staatsanwaltschaft-hat-keinen-beweis-dass-sie-tot-ist-SJOOVHTJWZBXNG3MZG7GDHOYT4.html (https://www.rnd.de/panorama/fall-maddie-staatsanwaltschaft-hat-keinen-beweis-dass-sie-tot-ist-SJOOVHTJWZBXNG3MZG7GDHOYT4.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 03:25:32 AM
It seems HCW said MM is dead, based only in statistics of previous cases ...

https://www.rnd.de/panorama/fall-maddie-staatsanwaltschaft-hat-keinen-beweis-dass-sie-tot-ist-SJOOVHTJWZBXNG3MZG7GDHOYT4.html (https://www.rnd.de/panorama/fall-maddie-staatsanwaltschaft-hat-keinen-beweis-dass-sie-tot-ist-SJOOVHTJWZBXNG3MZG7GDHOYT4.html)

I do wonder how closely you have followed what HCW has said. Have you watched all the interviews and docs with HCW.
You are quoting an article from a year ago which I remember well. You ar3 also relying on newspaper article to draw your conclusions.

Have you heard of the Rui Pedro case where a video of abuse was found. Although.this was not proof of death it was unlikely Rui would have survived the assault. From what Wolters has said this may well be what he has
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 08:04:16 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 02:55:22 AM
Thank you. But my question was "what do the German consider NON-forensic evidence?"

Nevertheless, we can begin with the definition you sent, misty, although it seems to be not a German definition,

"Forensic Evidence is scientific evidence, such as DNA, trace evidence, fingerprints or ballistics reports, and can provide proof to establish a person’s guilt or innocence. Forensic evidence is generally considered to be strong and reliable evidence and alongside helping to convict criminals, its role in exonerating the innocent has been well documented. The term “forensic” means “for the courts”. Its use in workplace investigations is generally limited to serious cases that may end up in court."

So HCW has not scientific evidence, and cannot provide proof. My question is: if you do not have scientific evidence on CB involvement, how are you sure CB killed MM?

Are you aware that Wolters has said the evidence may be photos or videos... Thats an example of concrete but not forensic evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 08:06:12 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2021, 10:57:12 PM
I would love to know which is considered "non-forensic evidence" in Germany.
May anyone here clarify?
Thanks.


Photographs... Videos.. As wolters has said.... As in the Rui Pedro case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 08:19:49 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 02:55:22 AM
Thank you. But my question was "what do the German consider NON-forensic evidence?"




So HCW has not scientific evidence, and cannot provide proof. My question is: if you do not have scientific evidence on CB involvement, how are you sure CB killed ?

Are you aware how many people are found guilty of murder without forensic evidence...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2021, 09:12:56 AM
Quote from: misty on June 05, 2021, 02:40:53 AM
https://i-sight.com/resources/15-types-of-evidence-and-how-to-use-them-in-investigation/

Photos/videos are classed as demonstrative evidence i.e they directly demonstrate a fact.

I wonder how that applies in the age of digital manipulation - eg Photoshop ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2021, 09:42:40 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2021, 09:12:56 AM
I wonder how that applies in the age of digital manipulation - eg Photoshop ?

Good point.
I typed in "how can I tell if a digital image has been photoshopped" which hit on quite a lot of information.  There is a lot of information there about techniques and software to enable checks to be made.  Given the volume of information available to investigators and the number of successful prosecutions which have occurred world wide I don't think manipulation is as much of a problem as it might appear it could be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:30:27 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 08:06:12 AM
Photographs... Videos.. As wolters has said.... As in the Rui Pedro case

Thanks Davel. Do you have the link of HCW talking about photographs and videos?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:30:27 AM
Thanks Davel. Do you have the link of HCW talking about photographs and videos?

Its on episode one of the Discovery documentary... About 5 mins in as I recall. Theres a thread a little further down from this one titled does wolters hsve photographic evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 08:01:52 AM
I do wonder how closely you have followed what HCW has said. Have you watched all the interviews and docs with HCW.
You are quoting an article from a year ago which I remember well. You ar3 also relying on newspaper article to draw your conclusions.

Have you heard of the Rui Pedro case where a video of abuse was found. Although.this was not proof of death it was unlikely Rui would have survived the assault. From what Wolters has said this may well be what he has

I know that the investigation into the Wonderland Club found 750,000 images and videos depicting 1,263 different children. Only 16 children were identified, one of whom was Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça. I cannot, however find anything which says he was identified from a video.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 08:19:49 AM
Are you aware how many people are found guilty of murder without forensic evidence...

And how many of those people are innocent?

I want to know the truth of the MM case, the scientific truth. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 10:35:56 AM
I know that the investigation into the Wonderland Club found 750,000 images and videos depicting 1,263 different children. Only 16 children were identified, one of whom was Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça. I cannot, however find anything which says he was identified from a video.

And talking about MM case, are you sure there are photographs or videos showing her after the crime?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2021, 10:43:35 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
And talking about MM case, are you sure there are photographs or videos showing her after the crime?

I don't think that there's any mention of that being the case, though the gulible may interpreted as such.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 05, 2021, 10:43:35 AM
I don't think that there's any mention of that being the case, though the gulible may interpreted as such.

I must be wrong, but I think HCW is merging his beliefs with the alleged evidence. He publicly talked and now it is very difficult for him to admit it. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:52:53 AM
Please Davel, give me the links of the videos of HCW talking about the evidence. I did not see all of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
And talking about MM case, are you sure there are photographs or videos showing her after the crime?

I have seen no evidence which suggests there are any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2021, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:52:53 AM
Please Davel, give me the links of the videos of HCW talking about the evidence. I did not see all of them.
Here is the translation of the most recent interview:

"Lower Saxony crime scene": The Maddie case
Bettina Thoenes
Updated: 06/01/2021, 3:16 PM

The Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters (right) reports in a podcast with Henning Noske and Bettina Thoenes about the investigative work of his authority in the Maddie case.
Photo: Erik Beyen

BRAUNSCHWEIG.   In the podcast, the Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters speaks with Henning Noske and Bettina Thoenes about the investigation into the Maddie case.

“I have to say that I am sometimes surprised by what I am supposed to have said.” For a year now, Hans Christian Wolters has been one of the most internationally cited and interviewed public prosecutors in Germany. Whether Russian, American, Australian or British media, he receives daily inquiries about the current status of the investigation in the case of three-year-old Maddie McCann, who disappeared from a hotel room in the Portuguese holiday resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
In June 2020, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office and the Federal Criminal Police Office came to the public with their suspicion on the ZDF wanted program “Aktenzeichen XY ungelöst” that a 44-year-old German who was last domiciled in Braunschweig kidnapped the British child from his bed and murdered him in the evening could have. Since then, the world has looked to Braunschweig in the Maddie case. When it comes to official information on the progress of the investigation, there is only one source for the media representatives: Hans Christian Wolters, the spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor.

Maddie case: More than a thousand clues after calling a witness

In the current crime podcast “Tatort Niedersachsen” in our newspaper, Wolters reports why he is sometimes annoyed by the media, why going public was still important for the investigators and what he can and cannot reveal publicly. And he admits: "Personally, I underestimated how long the media coverage lasts."
According to Wolters, more than a thousand reports have been received since the witnesses were called. “In the first few days we were literally overrun with tips from all over the world.” Working through them seriously continues. The public prosecutor's office is still not giving any further details. But one has to say, according to Wolters in the podcast, that the long time in which the authorities remain silent and have not made a decision speaks in favor of “that our appeal was successful”.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters: Have evidence and evidence that Maddie is actually dead

At the moment, however, it is not foreseeable "that we will come to a conclusion of the investigation, and I cannot give a time window in which one can expect fundamental news from us".
For the public prosecutor's office and the Federal Criminal Police Office, the time had come last June when, based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated. This evidence has not yet been disclosed. The suspect's attorney has not yet seen the files either.

Who was the Maddie suspect on the phone with?

In the wanted broadcast, the investigators had only mentioned a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs. Who was the suspect on the phone with? That is still unclear.
This indication is a piece of the puzzle. “But you have to imagine that we have other pieces of the puzzle that round off the picture for us,” Wolters said in the podcast.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2021, 11:25:29 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:52:53 AM
Please Davel, give me the links of the videos of HCW talking about the evidence. I did not see all of them.
https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2192 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2192)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2021, 11:25:44 AM
You may find these helpful, Heri:

https://youtu.be/xwLhfzU1BHU

https://youtu.be/734n3yZJ8gs

https://youtu.be/ufjcBjLaIf0

https://youtu.be/MZyYoCyHeBY

https://youtu.be/p_TCXe6AFYQ

https://youtu.be/-sXVHA_-i7U

https://youtu.be/H_TqenSB8Q0

https://youtu.be/UgDcK9cBW0M

https://youtu.be/Me3gCgzSgK4

https://youtu.be/EnoS8lywvWQ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 11:34:21 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
I must be wrong, but I think HCW is merging his beliefs with the alleged evidence. He publicly talked and now it is very difficult for him to admit it. But I could be wrong.

I may be wrong too, but I agree with you.

4th June 2020

Hans Christian Wolters, from the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office in Germany, said in an update on Thursday: "We are assuming that the girl is dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52916137#:~:text=Madeleine%20McCann%20is%20%22assumed%22%20to,the%20British%20girl%20in%202007.&text=Hans%20Christian%20Wolters%2C%20from%20the,that%20the%20girl%20is%20dead.

Wolter's announcement triggered an adverse reaction, particularly in the UK, which seemed to surprise him;

15th June 2020

'I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.'

The prosecutor added in Germany it is 'normal' to assume a murder has taken place in similar cases.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

It is now that he claims to have evidence;

'There is no forensic evidence. But there is concrete evidence that Maddie is dead. Our investigation has no doubts about this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

The question in my opinion is whether the evidence led him to assume Madeleine was dead or whether the fuss about his assumption led him to claim there was concrete evidence that she was. Either way he can't, as yet, prove that he's right that she's dead and CB killed her. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 11:43:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 11:34:21 AM
I may be wrong too, but I agree with you.

4th June 2020

Hans Christian Wolters, from the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office in Germany, said in an update on Thursday: "We are assuming that the girl is dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52916137#:~:text=Madeleine%20McCann%20is%20%22assumed%22%20to,the%20British%20girl%20in%202007.&text=Hans%20Christian%20Wolters%2C%20from%20the,that%20the%20girl%20is%20dead.

Wolter's announcement triggered an adverse reaction, particularly in the UK, which seemed to surprise him;

15th June 2020

'I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.'

The prosecutor added in Germany it is 'normal' to assume a murder has taken place in similar cases.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

It is now that he claims to have evidence;

'There is no forensic evidence. But there is concrete evidence that Maddie is dead. Our investigation has no doubts about this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

The question in my opinion is whether the evidence led him to assume Madeleine was dead or whether the fuss about his assumption led him to claim there was concrete evidence that she was. Either way he can't, as yet, prove that he's right that she's dead and CB killed her.
Its obvious Heri hasnt listened to all HCW has said and perhaps you haven't either. He was pusheed as to whether he haf proof Maffie was dead and he admittefd no. He then went on to say from the evudence they have they assume death.. Thete is no proof Rui Pefro is dead but from the contents of the video found the police said it could be assumed he died... Im afraid from everything said this is what I believe Wolters may have
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2021, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 04, 2021, 05:37:01 PM
Mr Wolters’ most recent interview.

Translation credit: Ulrike U:

X: SY still assumes a missing person case, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office and the BKA assume a murder. How do you work together? Does SY have any other findings? Is there different evidence?

W: That is probably because SY has been investigating the case since 2007 and at that time it was assumed that the girl could still be alive, that she could only be missing.
In Germany, we have only been investigating since 2017, and at the time when the whole investigation began here, we already had such solid evidence that the girl was dead that it didn't make sense to let it go on under a cloak of secrecy, but it was absolutely clear that it had to be classified as a homicide.
In addition, in Germany we as public prosecutors only take action if there has been a crime. And if someone is missing, that is regrettable but it doesn't have to be a crime, everyone has the right to keep their whereabouts secret from others, but thank God there is not always a crime behind it. That's one point why we have to say a missing person case couldn't have happened like that at the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office. The police, yes. They also investigate missing persons cases, which is different with the public prosecutor's office.
That is the reason why we are conducting criminal proceedings.

The second part, translated by Ulrike U:

Part 2 of the recent interview with Wolters.. investigation and parents

W: I can only say that I myself am partly surprised by what I am supposed to have said and what I read and what others are supposed to know about our investigations. In fact, I have unfortunately had to hold back for a year. We have deliberately only given out certain information and nothing much new could be added to this information.
I am also very unpleasantly surprised when I read that we will be making an indictment in 3 months, for example, as was recently reported in the British media. Then I am quoted as saying things that I have never said before in my life. This annoys me and I then have my hands full to put it right and have to explain that I never said that and that it does not correspond to the facts.
I'm getting to the current state of affairs, at the moment it is not foreseeable when and whether we will come to a conclusion of the investigation, I cannot give a time frame.

X: That is, did you or did you not achieve the goal of going public last year?

W: It has to be said that this long period of time where we did not talk about the case and did not make a decision on how this case could possibly end, speaks for the fact that the appeal was successful. In the first few days we were overrun with tips from all countries, mainly Germany, Great Britain and Portugal, and now we simply need the time to process these many tips seriously.

X: That means in a certain way, if I may ask, did you use the media to achieve success?

W: Exactly, in this case we used the media quite consciously as a medium to get more attention and to be noticed. For us as a small German public prosecutor's office, it is very difficult to reach British tourists who would otherwise not notice us. We depend on our messages being conveyed and who better than the media to do that?

X: to reflect on this, how many interviews have you actually given?

W: actually I can't count the interviews any more, in addition to the interviews there are hundreds of emails and phone calls that I've been dealing with for a year, you can't really imagine it, of course we knew there would be a big response, but I personally underestimated how long this media echo would last.

X: Maybe we can look back at the situation a year ago. What was known at that time, what was the reason why you went public at that time?

W: Last year was the time when we had to go public with the suspicion against a German because we could say with a high degree of certainty that in 2007 he had taken the almost four-year-old British MM in a hotel complex in PDL into his power and also murdered her. I can't say anything at the moment about how the whole thing went down in detail. I couldn't at the time either because the investigations are still in a hot phase that takes a long time.
That may be different in other cases, but the scope of this case is beyond anything we have had in other cases, at least here in the region.
Of course, this is also due to the great interest and the fact that several countries are involved.
This is different from a procedure that only takes place in Braunschweig.

(Now comes something about CB, I'll leave that out, we know who he is).

X: he was registered in Braunschweig, so the case came to the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office.

W: Exactly, he lived here, that's how we came to these proceedings like the virgin to the child.
We certainly never imagined when we heard about the MM case in 2007 that this case would at some point have a connection to Braunschweig. In German criminal procedure law, jurisdiction is based on the last place of residence.

X: Especially in England, where the case has caused quite a stir, how can you be so sure that MM is dead and what do you tell the parents?

W: We have evidence that allows us to draw only one conclusion, that the girl is indeed dead I am not allowed to publish the evidence at the moment, that will happen at an appropriate time.
His number was in the radio cell where the crime took place, but that is only one piece of the puzzle.

X: was that also investigative tactics like before or is that more?

W: Of course, the fact that we gave the number is a tactic because we also wanted the public to help us. We had to do this because we are still looking for the user of the other number.

X: Have you also been in contact with MM parents? They went public very aggressively shortly after her disappearance and the media say that they still hope to find their daughter alive.

W: There is no direct contact between the public prosecutor's office and the parents, nor was there at any time. There was only a connection via the German police and the British police individual contacts, but last year in connection with our press conference.
We deliberately wanted to prepare the parents for the fact that we would issue a statement in the case of their missing daughter.
We didn't want the parents to be run over by the fact that there might be media on their doorstep and they might not have heard about it yet. We wanted to prepare the parents for the fact that there is news in the case of their daughter, but we didn't say anything in terms of content. This was reported several times by the British media which was wrong, it was just to spare the parents which the British media did not do.
There was another report that it was not a question of publishing new reports every day, but rather to let calm return without communicating every step in public. It was also about giving the parents peace of mind and not being constantly confronted with the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 11:47:24 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 10:35:56 AM
I know that the investigation into the Wonderland Club found 750,000 images and videos depicting 1,263 different children. Only 16 children were identified, one of whom was Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça. I cannot, however find anything which says he was identified from a video.

So he was identified from s photograph rather than a video.. What difference does thst make
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 05, 2021, 11:15:28 AM
Here is the translation of the most recent interview:

"Lower Saxony crime scene": The Maddie case
Bettina Thoenes
Updated: 06/01/2021, 3:16 PM

The Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters (right) reports in a podcast with Henning Noske and Bettina Thoenes about the investigative work of his authority in the Maddie case.
Photo: Erik Beyen

BRAUNSCHWEIG.   In the podcast, the Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters speaks with Henning Noske and Bettina Thoenes about the investigation into the Maddie case.

“I have to say that I am sometimes surprised by what I am supposed to have said.” For a year now, Hans Christian Wolters has been one of the most internationally cited and interviewed public prosecutors in Germany. Whether Russian, American, Australian or British media, he receives daily inquiries about the current status of the investigation in the case of three-year-old Maddie McCann, who disappeared from a hotel room in the Portuguese holiday resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
In June 2020, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office and the Federal Criminal Police Office came to the public with their suspicion on the ZDF wanted program “Aktenzeichen XY ungelöst” that a 44-year-old German who was last domiciled in Braunschweig kidnapped the British child from his bed and murdered him in the evening could have. Since then, the world has looked to Braunschweig in the Maddie case. When it comes to official information on the progress of the investigation, there is only one source for the media representatives: Hans Christian Wolters, the spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor.

Maddie case: More than a thousand clues after calling a witness

In the current crime podcast “Tatort Niedersachsen” in our newspaper, Wolters reports why he is sometimes annoyed by the media, why going public was still important for the investigators and what he can and cannot reveal publicly. And he admits: "Personally, I underestimated how long the media coverage lasts."
According to Wolters, more than a thousand reports have been received since the witnesses were called. “In the first few days we were literally overrun with tips from all over the world.” Working through them seriously continues. The public prosecutor's office is still not giving any further details. But one has to say, according to Wolters in the podcast, that the long time in which the authorities remain silent and have not made a decision speaks in favor of “that our appeal was successful”.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters: Have evidence and evidence that Maddie is actually dead

At the moment, however, it is not foreseeable "that we will come to a conclusion of the investigation, and I cannot give a time window in which one can expect fundamental news from us".
For the public prosecutor's office and the Federal Criminal Police Office, the time had come last June when, based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated. This evidence has not yet been disclosed. The suspect's attorney has not yet seen the files either.

Who was the Maddie suspect on the phone with?

In the wanted broadcast, the investigators had only mentioned a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs. Who was the suspect on the phone with? That is still unclear.
This indication is a piece of the puzzle. “But you have to imagine that we have other pieces of the puzzle that round off the picture for us,” Wolters said in the podcast.

1. ... based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed.

2. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated.

3. ... a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs.

1. It is only a suspicion.

2. No direct evidence, but discarding all the other altenatives. I also believed MM is dead, but sure 99%, not 100%.

3. Could be assigned ... No comment.

Conclusion: CB could have killed MM ... or not.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 11:43:35 AM
Its obvious Heri hasnt listened to all HCW has said and perhaps you haven't either. He was pusheed as to whether he haf proof Maffie was dead and he admittefd no. He then went on to say from the evudence they have they assume death.. Thete is no proof Rui Pefro is dead but from the contents of the video found the police said it could be assumed he died... Im afraid from everything said this is what I believe Wolters may have

Wolters also said "in Germany it is 'normal' to assume a murder has taken place in similar cases". Until he reveals his evidence it's acceptable, imo, to consider that he is assuming.

I have already pointed out that I can find no evidence of a video being found of Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça. If you have such evidence please produce it.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 11:47:44 AM
1. ... based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed.

2. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated.

3. ... a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs.

1. It is only a suspicion.

2. No direct evidence, but discarding all the other altenatives. I also believed MM is dead, but sure 99%, not 100%.

3. Could be assigned ... No comment.

Conclusion: CB could have killed MM ... or not.

I think youve come a little late to the party and need to get up to speed with everything HCW has said and base conclusions on everything he has said.
From whst he has said I believe he has proof Maddie was abducted and abused and its mosy unlikely based on similar cases that she would have survived the abuse.

He does not have definitive evidence that CB murdered zmaddie but concrete evidence that he did.
Are you aware that HCW has said he has cincrete evidence Madfie is dead and CB murdered her. He hsd also said that if others knew the evidence they would agree with him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2021, 11:59:21 AM
Even if Madeleine is dead, there seems nothing to indicate that she was murdered.
She could have died accidentally or at least unintentionally.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 12:01:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 11:55:46 AM
Wolters also said "in Germany it is 'normal' to assume a murder has taken place in similar cases". Until he reveals his evidence it's acceptable, imo, to consider that he is assuming.

I have already pointed out that I can find no evidence of a video being found of Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça. If you have such evidence please produce it.

First it seems it was av photo not a video... I dont see how that changes anything.
Second you need to take into account everything HCW has said... Not just base your opinion on a selected statements
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 12:01:20 PM
First it seems it was av photo not a video... I dont see how that changes anything.
Second you need to take into account everything HCW has said... Not just base your opinion on a selected statements

It certainly should change what you post about Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça in future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 12:17:19 PM
It certainly should change what you post about Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça in future.
I think you are being ridiculous and just cant bear to think photographic evidence is possible.
The fact is from photographic evidence of abuse the police concluded he was dead although they had no proof of death. Thats highly significant dont you think but your only remark is it was a photo not a video. An absolutely pathetic post.. But no surprise
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 11:58:51 AM
I think youve come a little late to the party and need to get up to speed with everything HCW has said and base conclusions on everything he has said.

I think here is all the important things HCW said:

1. ... based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed.

2. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated.

3. ... a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs.

Do you have any other important statement by HCW?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2021, 12:40:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 12:30:03 PM
I think you are being ridiculous and just cant bear to think photographic evidence is possible.
The fact is from photographic evidence of abuse the police concluded he was dead although they had no proof of death. Thats highly significant dont you think but your only remark is it was a photo not a video. An absolutely pathetic post.. But no surprise

Along with everything else that you "think"...don't you think if they had photo evidence it would have been shared with the mccs.

Who they have never been in contact with at all during the full year.


German Madeleine McCann police still haven't spoken to parents year after naming suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 12:39:04 PM
I think here is all the important things HCW said:

1. ... based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed.

2. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated.

3. ... a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs.

Do you have any other important statement by HCW?

Quite a lot more... Its probably best if you watch all the videos of HCW... Youve missed out.. Concrete evidence... Material evidence... Two things to start with.. Then there was
The remark about double jeapardy in Germany... Theres quite a lot
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2021, 12:40:09 PM
Along with everything else that you "think"...don't you think if they had photo evidence it would have been shared with the mccs.

Who they have never been in contact with at all during the full year.


German Madeleine McCann police still haven't spoken to parents year after naming suspect

HVW has explained why he hasnt shared the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 12:54:50 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 12:39:04 PM
I think here is all the important things HCW said:

1. ... based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed.

2. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated.

3. ... a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs.

Do you have any other important statement by HCW?

You have missed out Wolters saying..

We have concrete evidence Maddie is dead and our suspect murdered her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 12:30:03 PM
I think you are being ridiculous and just cant bear to think photographic evidence is possible.
The fact is from photographic evidence of abuse the police concluded he was dead although they had no proof of death. Thats highly significant dont you think but your only remark is it was a photo not a video. An absolutely pathetic post.. But no surprise

What is ridiculous and pathetic is inventing evidence to support one's arguments. Please supply your evidence of a photo of Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça and of the police comments about it. Or were they invented too?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2021, 01:11:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 12:51:54 PM
HVW has explained why he hasnt shared the evidence

IMO can he share what he hasn't got.

IIRC even the mobile number was found in a phone diary ...and as yet has not proved to be CBs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 12:54:50 PM
You have missed out Wolters saying..

We have concrete evidence Maddie is dead and our suspect murdered her

So HCW contradicts himself in his statements.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 01:00:47 PM
What is ridiculous and pathetic is inventing evidence to support one's arguments. Please supply your evidence of a photo of Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça and of the police comments about it. Or were they invented too?
Do you reslly think I would make it up.. Lol.
Im sure you are aware of it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 01:28:57 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 01:15:00 PM
So HCW contradicts himself in his statements.

No he doesnt... I have yet to see a contradiction. The mistake you are making is taking things from nrwspapers which may not be accurate and out if context.

I rely on what I have seen/heard him say live on camera
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 01:28:57 PM
No he doesnt... I have yet to see a contradiction. The mistake you are making is taking things from nrwspapers which may not be accurate and out if context.

I rely on what I have seen/heard him say live on camera

That's a prosecutor's job though D....to convince you and believe them when they speak.

They are trained to do that as part of there job.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
That's a prosecutor's job though D....to convince you and believe them when they speak.

They are trained to do that as part of there job.

I consider myself very good at evaluating evidence... Its one of the things Ive been trained to do. Thats why I could see straight through amaral and his ridiculous claims.

Listening to Wolters he comes over a being very professional... Unlike amaral who drank wine and beer every lunchtime it seems
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2021, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 01:51:35 PM
I consider myself very good at evaluating evidence... Its one of the things Ive been trained to do. Thats why I could see straight through amaral and his ridiculous claims.

Listening to Wolters he comes over a being very professional... Unlike amaral who drank wine and beer every lunchtime it seems

We are not on about G,A, though are we. this is not a G.A. thread.

Not very professional neither to keep dragging him up.

Seems your best defence for wolt is to attack G.A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2021, 02:19:22 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2021, 01:57:39 PM
We are not on about G,A, though are we. this is not a G.A. thread.

Not very professional neither to keep dragging him up.

Seems your best defence for wolt is to attack G.A.

Distraction very much the name of the game on here  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 05, 2021, 01:57:39 PM
We are not on about G,A, though are we. this is not a G.A. thread.

Not very professional neither to keep dragging him up.

Seems your best defence for wolt is to attack G.A.

Not at all...its about judgement...most sceptics think GA is a competent policeman and Wolt is some kind of clown.

anyone who thinks GA is  a competent policeman is not very good at assessing evidence imo.

GA has said CB is  a patsy...therefore he is very relevant to this thread...I think the idea that CB is  a patsy is total bananas...I think any idea that Wolters is some kind of fool is also bananas
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 01:26:10 PM
Do you reslly think I would make it up.. Lol.
Im sure you are aware of it

If you can invent a video you can invent a photo and comments allegedly made by the police. Just supply your evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 02:56:16 PM
If you can invent a video you can invent a photo and comments allegedly made by the police. Just supply your evidence.

As I said do you really think i would make it up...

What happened to Rui Pedro?
It was uncovered that Pedro was one of the child victims of the Wonderland ring, which, at the time, was considered the biggest cyber pedo-criminal network.

In September 1998, over 1,000 police and child protection officers in 13 countries simultaneously raided 105 Wonderland members.

After the raids, police uncovered over 750,000 different images of paedophilia.

From the seized CD-Roms, 16 portraits of anonymous children were extracted and kept in files in Geneva, Switzerland.

Rui Pedro’s mother visited Geneva to access the files and her son was identified.

Footage of Rui's mother accessing the files features in the Netflix documentary.

The Telegraph reported that it is feared Rui was murdered by his abductors following the abuse.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1101793/Rui-Pedro-Who-is-Rui-Pedro-What-happened-to-him-Madeleine-McCann-Netflix-documentary
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2021, 03:08:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 11:55:46 AM
Wolters also said "in Germany it is 'normal' to assume a murder has taken place in similar cases". Until he reveals his evidence it's acceptable, imo, to consider that he is assuming.

I have already pointed out that I can find no evidence of a video being found of Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça. If you have such evidence please produce it.
Snip
In September of that same year, British police busts the paedophile ring Wonderland Club that operated mainly online and functioned like a database of thousands of pictures and videos. Between them are several pictures of Rui Pedro. British police feared that the little boy was killed after they abused him. You can see a couple of pictures at the beginning of this video. They are two pictures of his face. To this day, this remains the only physical evidence of the whereabouts of Rui Pedro. For some reason, this is not a very famous part of his story. I actually only found out about it when I was doing my research. Even though Wikipedia, several articles from other countries, our own national news and his own mother confirmed it was him, as well as Interpol and the British police, the Portuguese police dismissed this piece of evidence. In 2006, a new investigation team was formed and all these clues were looked at. They concluded that this particular clue did not lead anywhere relevant, and therefore Afonso Dias was not only the last person seeing him alive, but he was also responsible for Rui Pedro’s disappearance. This is really strange to me. Interpol itself has specialists for these cases and they made a positive identification. 16 children were positively identified in those pictures, and Rui Pedro was one of them. I must add that in 2002, a huge case broke out in Portugal where a governmental institution that was supposed to help kids, several people in the government and a few celebrities were involved in a paedophile ring for a few years at that time. There was also a confirmation that at least one paedophile from Wonderland Club, “Irish Dave”, was living in Algarve at the time.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/9iiawr/on_the_4th_of_march_1998_11yearold_rui_pedro_from/?utm_source=BD&utm_medium=Search&utm_name=Bing&utm_content=PSR1

Are you unfamiliar with the technique of lifting a frame from a video to make a still photograph.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 03:11:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 02:56:16 PM
If you can invent a video you can invent a photo and comments allegedly made by the police. Just supply your evidence.

As there are reports of a video could you retract your statement that I invented it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2021, 03:51:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 03:11:10 PM
As there are reports of a video could you retract your statement that I invented it
I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2021, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 12:39:04 PM
I think here is all the important things HCW said:

1. ... based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed.

2. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated.

3. ... a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs.

Do you have any other important statement by HCW?
What do you interpret the following claim by HCW to mean Heri?

2. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 04:07:01 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 05, 2021, 03:08:44 PM
Snip
In September of that same year, British police busts the paedophile ring Wonderland Club that operated mainly online and functioned like a database of thousands of pictures and videos. Between them are several pictures of Rui Pedro. British police feared that the little boy was killed after they abused him. You can see a couple of pictures at the beginning of this video. They are two pictures of his face. To this day, this remains the only physical evidence of the whereabouts of Rui Pedro. For some reason, this is not a very famous part of his story. I actually only found out about it when I was doing my research. Even though Wikipedia, several articles from other countries, our own national news and his own mother confirmed it was him, as well as Interpol and the British police, the Portuguese police dismissed this piece of evidence. In 2006, a new investigation team was formed and all these clues were looked at. They concluded that this particular clue did not lead anywhere relevant, and therefore Afonso Dias was not only the last person seeing him alive, but he was also responsible for Rui Pedro’s disappearance. This is really strange to me. Interpol itself has specialists for these cases and they made a positive identification. 16 children were positively identified in those pictures, and Rui Pedro was one of them. I must add that in 2002, a huge case broke out in Portugal where a governmental institution that was supposed to help kids, several people in the government and a few celebrities were involved in a paedophile ring for a few years at that time. There was also a confirmation that at least one paedophile from Wonderland Club, “Irish Dave”, was living in Algarve at the time.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/9iiawr/on_the_4th_of_march_1998_11yearold_rui_pedro_from/?utm_source=BD&utm_medium=Search&utm_name=Bing&utm_content=PSR1

Are you unfamiliar with the technique of lifting a frame from a video to make a still photograph.

So was there a video? I see nothing confirming that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 04:14:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2021, 03:52:53 PM
What do you interpret the following claim by HCW to mean Heri?

2. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated.

HCW said he had evidence ... Well, lets see what kind of evidence he has. Just waiting.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2021, 04:18:43 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 04:14:25 PM
HCW said he had evidence ... Well, lets see what kind of evidence he has. Just waiting.
That's been my position all along.  Happy to wait and not make claims either way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2021, 04:19:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 05, 2021, 04:07:01 PM
So was there a video? I see nothing confirming that.
Did you not read the article then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 04:42:25 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 05, 2021, 04:14:25 PM
HCW said he had evidence ... Well, lets see what kind of evidence he has. Just waiting.

He has explained why hes waiting
And he said he has concrete evidence... And if we knew what it was we would agree that CB murdered Maddie
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2021, 04:45:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 04:42:25 PM
He has explained why hes waiting
And he said he has concrete evidence... And if we knew what it was we would agree that CB murdered Maddie

Not enough to bring charges, so agreeing with that is a folly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2021, 04:45:14 PM
Not enough to bring charges, so agreeing with that is a folly.

No it isnt if what he has said is taken in context... It would depend on what he means by.. Not enough evidencevto bring charges

If you put that with his statement re double jeopardy it makes sense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2021, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 04:57:35 PM
No it isnt if what he has said is taken in context... It would depend on what he means by.. Not enough evidencevto bring charges

If you put that with his statement re double jeopardy it makes sense

It doesn't make sense to say you'd agree if you knew the evidence, clearly there's not enough if any to say his suspect did for Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 05, 2021, 07:21:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 05, 2021, 07:11:21 PM
It doesn't make sense to say you'd agree if you knew the evidence, clearly there's not enough if any to say his suspect did for Madeleine.

Clearly there is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 06, 2021, 05:59:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 05, 2021, 07:21:47 PM
Clearly there is
Not If he's using this.

Madeleine McCann is 'dead and buried in a forest six miles from where she went missing' claims clairvoyant, who says he has given police 'exact co-ordinates' of where her body is
Clairvoyant Michael Schneider, 50, claims to know exact location body is buried
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed his team has used similar methods
Three weeks ago he told German investigators that Madeleine McCann was buried six miles from Portuguese resort she was last seen in Praia da Luz in 2007
His technique includes looking 'up towards God' and asking specific questions
Schneider had success in missing persons cases in Germany and Italy this year

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9655949/Madeleine-McCann-buried-forest-six-miles-went-missing-claims-clairvoyant.html

Also the mirror.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-buried-forest-just-24257689



Well's, forest's, what ever next, landfill's !!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 06, 2021, 06:32:19 AM
Highly recommended. Should be on your reading list... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eats,_Shoots_%26_Leaves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eats,_Shoots_%26_Leaves)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2021, 09:35:51 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 06, 2021, 05:59:23 AM
Not If he's using this.

Madeleine McCann is 'dead and buried in a forest six miles from where she went missing' claims clairvoyant, who says he has given police 'exact co-ordinates' of where her body is
Clairvoyant Michael Schneider, 50, claims to know exact location body is buried
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed his team has used similar methods
Three weeks ago he told German investigators that Madeleine McCann was buried six miles from Portuguese resort she was last seen in Praia da Luz in 2007
His technique includes looking 'up towards God' and asking specific questions
Schneider had success in missing persons cases in Germany and Italy this year

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9655949/Madeleine-McCann-buried-forest-six-miles-went-missing-claims-clairvoyant.html

Also the mirror.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-buried-forest-just-24257689



Well's, forest's, what ever next, landfill's !!
Are you simply taking the piss now or are you still unable to grasp that plural words don’t require apostrophes?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2021, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 06, 2021, 05:59:23 AM
Not If he's using this.

Madeleine McCann is 'dead and buried in a forest six miles from where she went missing' claims clairvoyant, who says he has given police 'exact co-ordinates' of where her body is
Clairvoyant Michael Schneider, 50, claims to know exact location body is buried
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed his team has used similar methods
Three weeks ago he told German investigators that Madeleine McCann was buried six miles from Portuguese resort she was last seen in Praia da Luz in 2007
His technique includes looking 'up towards God' and asking specific questions
Schneider had success in missing persons cases in Germany and Italy this year

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9655949/Madeleine-McCann-buried-forest-six-miles-went-missing-claims-clairvoyant.html

Also the mirror.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-buried-forest-just-24257689



Well's, forest's, what ever next, landfill's !!
The story in the Mail is bollocks, the psychic did not find the bodies of Peter Neumair and Laura Perselli which they could have established in about 30 seconds of googling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2021, 11:11:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 06, 2021, 05:59:23 AM
Not If he's using this.

Madeleine McCann is 'dead and buried in a forest six miles from where she went missing' claims clairvoyant, who says he has given police 'exact co-ordinates' of where her body is
Clairvoyant Michael Schneider, 50, claims to know exact location body is buried
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed his team has used similar methods
Three weeks ago he told German investigators that Madeleine McCann was buried six miles from Portuguese resort she was last seen in Praia da Luz in 2007
His technique includes looking 'up towards God' and asking specific questions
Schneider had success in missing persons cases in Germany and Italy this year

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9655949/Madeleine-McCann-buried-forest-six-miles-went-missing-claims-clairvoyant.html

Also the mirror.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-buried-forest-just-24257689



Well's, forest's, what ever next, landfill's !!

Perhaps they'll detail a dog to go and have a sniff around.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2021, 11:48:00 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 06, 2021, 11:11:11 AM
Perhaps they'll detail a dog to go and have a sniff around.
Or even dog's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2021, 03:25:01 PM
Wonder if this is wolts concrete evidence.

Police are set to investigate a clairvoyant’s claim that Madeleine McCann’s body is buried in a forest six miles from the Portuguese holiday resort where she went missing.

Michael Schneider, who has successfully located the remains of several missing people, has told officers that Madeleine “is unfortunately dead and buried in Portugal north-east of Lagos”.

He has given cops the exact co-ordinates of the spot where he believes they will find her body.

Tonight senior German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed to the Sunday People his officers have previously used clairvoyants and in some cases received specific information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 06, 2021, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 06, 2021, 05:59:23 AM
Not If he's using this.

Madeleine McCann is 'dead and buried in a forest six miles from where she went missing' claims clairvoyant, who says he has given police 'exact co-ordinates' of where her body is
Clairvoyant Michael Schneider, 50, claims to know exact location body is buried
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed his team has used similar methods
Three weeks ago he told German investigators that Madeleine McCann was buried six miles from Portuguese resort she was last seen in Praia da Luz in 2007
His technique includes looking 'up towards God' and asking specific questions
Schneider had success in missing persons cases in Germany and Italy this year

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9655949/Madeleine-McCann-buried-forest-six-miles-went-missing-claims-clairvoyant.html

Also the mirror.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-buried-forest-just-24257689



Well's, forest's, what ever next, landfill's !!

I would like to see if there is a vídeo where HCW says this: "Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed his team has used similar methods".

If it is truth, his realiability would go down.

I always said, if a psychic knows the place a crime missing corpse is buried, he is the killer or an accomplice.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 06, 2021, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 06, 2021, 04:10:41 PM
I would like to see if there is a vídeo where HCW says this: "Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed his team has used similar methods".

If it is truth, his realiability would go down.

I always said, if a psychic knows the place a crime missing corpse is buried, he is the killer or an accomplice.

Mark Rowley 2017:There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2021, 04:43:34 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 06, 2021, 03:25:01 PM
Wonder if this is wolts concrete evidence.

Police are set to investigate a clairvoyant’s claim that Madeleine McCann’s body is buried in a forest six miles from the Portuguese holiday resort where she went missing.

Michael Schneider, who has successfully located the remains of several missing people, has told officers that Madeleine “is unfortunately dead and buried in Portugal north-east of Lagos”.

He has given cops the exact co-ordinates of the spot where he believes they will find her body.

Tonight senior German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed to the Sunday People his officers have previously used clairvoyants and in some cases received specific information.
No it’s not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 06, 2021, 04:53:16 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 06, 2021, 04:10:41 PM
I would like to see if there is a vídeo where HCW says this: "Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed his team has used similar methods".

If it is truth, his realiability would go down.

I always said, if a psychic knows the place a crime missing corpse is buried, he is the killer or an accomplice.

From another forum: "That reported HCW statement is obviously nothing more than a hoax."

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2021, 05:32:59 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 06, 2021, 04:53:16 PM
From another forum: "That reported HCW statement is obviously nothing more than a hoax."

From Websleuths:  https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id476.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2021, 06:57:53 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2021, 05:32:59 PM
From Websleuths:  https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id476.htm

That dates back to 2013. Perhaps he needs a new crystal ball?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2021, 07:17:55 PM
Michael Winger, a Canadian clairvoyant had a similar ‘vision’.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/SEARCH+HAND-SHAPED+RESERVOIR+FOR+MADDIE%3b+Clairvoyant+Norwegian+cop...-a0426762145
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2021, 07:21:07 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 06, 2021, 06:57:53 PM
That dates back to 2013. Perhaps he needs a new crystal ball?

Again to plagiarise directly from Webslueths it seems pretty positive that the Germans sent a polite, standard letter out to him which our press has picked up and made of what they will.

From the Mirror article;

Schneider contacted the BKA – Germany’s equivalent of the FBI – three weeks ago with his claim.
They emailed back saying: “Your information will be appropriately incorporated into our work.”
Schneider said: “I am happy that the BKA seem to be taking me seriously.

Mr Wolters refused to comment on Schneider but said: “Several psychics have responded to our call for help in the past year and offered assistance.

“In some cases, we also received concrete tips. We do not ignore them, but we are cautious.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2021, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2021, 07:21:07 PM
Again to plagiarise directly from Webslueths it seems pretty positive that the Germans sent a polite, standard letter out to him which our press has picked up and made of what they will.

From the Mirror article;

Schneider contacted the BKA – Germany’s equivalent of the FBI – three weeks ago with his claim.
They emailed back saying: “Your information will be appropriately incorporated into our work.”
Schneider said: “I am happy that the BKA seem to be taking me seriously.

Mr Wolters refused to comment on Schneider but said: “Several psychics have responded to our call for help in the past year and offered assistance.

“In some cases, we also received concrete tips. We do not ignore them, but we are cautious.”
For “appropriately incorporated into our work” read “filed in the nutters box”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 06, 2021, 09:13:51 PM
Could be solved  in months, Wolters believes Madeleine is dead, doesn't sound if he's certain some how,

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-could-solved-24261708
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 06, 2021, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 06, 2021, 09:13:51 PM
Could be solved  in months, Wolters believes Madeleine is dead, doesn't sound if he's certain some how,

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-could-solved-24261708

Exactly so which can only mean he has very little evidence of anything really.  Alas, time will tell if he is another time wasting chancer merely out to make a name for himself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2021, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 06, 2021, 09:13:51 PM
Could be solved  in months, Wolters believes Madeleine is dead, doesn't sound if he's certain some how,

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-could-solved-24261708

Oh ye of so much faith in the sayings of the tabloids  👀
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2021, 10:15:08 PM
Quote from: John on June 06, 2021, 10:00:37 PM
Exactly so which can only mean he has very little evidence of anything really.  Alas, time will tell if he is another time wasting chancer merely out to make a name for himself.

I think you are being unfair to the German investigators and to Wolters, John.  If he is a time waster out to make his name by solving serious crimes such as ignored rapes being perpetrated against women and children Bring It On, I say!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 06, 2021, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: John on June 06, 2021, 10:00:37 PM
Exactly so which can only mean he has very little evidence of anything really.  Alas, time will tell if he is another time wasting chancer merely out to make a name for himself.

From what he has said I think you are totally mistaken. I think it's Amaral who is going to be shown to be a fool and Grime could well have some explaining to do too

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 06, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2021, 10:15:08 PM
I think you are being unfair to the German investigators and to Wolters, John.  If he is a time waster out to make his name by solving serious crimes such as ignored rapes being perpetrated against women and children Bring It On, I say!

We have to wait for the next developments. I believed in HCW, but now I want to know what is "non-forensic evidence" for the Germans to continue believing ... If you cannot prove something, how are you sure it is true?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 06, 2021, 11:32:30 PM
Quote from: John on June 06, 2021, 10:00:37 PM
Exactly so which can only mean he has very little evidence of anything really.  Alas, time will tell if he is another time wasting chancer merely out to make a name for himself.
Do you believe he is a maverick, a one man operation, answerable to no one, and with the backing and support of no one else in the German judicial system?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 07, 2021, 12:29:56 AM
No arrest yet ?


Same time next year?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2021, 06:42:55 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2021, 10:07:12 PM
Oh ye of so much faith in the sayings of the tabloids  👀
Make sure you stay true to yourself when next posting links to news articles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 07, 2021, 06:47:28 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2021, 11:32:30 PM
Do you believe he is a maverick, a one man operation, answerable to no one, and with the backing and support of no one else in the German judicial system?

Some people have suggested such things about a Portuguese Policia Judiciara Coordinator. Daft, isn't it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2021, 07:16:09 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 07, 2021, 06:47:28 AM
Some people have suggested such things about a Portuguese Policia Judiciara Coordinator. Daft, isn't it?
So you agree it’s daft to suggest HCW is doing all this to make a name for himself (an accusation that is perfectly valid of Amaral since he resigned from the police to do just that)?  Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2021, 07:19:03 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on June 07, 2021, 12:29:56 AM
No arrest yet ?


Same time next year?
Not yet, you’re safe to go back to you daily strenuous defence of a murderer Luke Mitchell  - I’m sure someone will let you know if anything significant happens on this case before this time next year.  Bye.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2021, 07:42:15 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 07, 2021, 06:47:28 AM
Some people have suggested such things about a Portuguese Policia Judiciara Coordinator. Daft, isn't it?

Thete is plenty of evidenve re Amaral... His conviction for lying... His failure to understand the evidence
.. His belief the McCanns are being protected by M15
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2021, 07:52:38 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 06, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
We have to wait for the next developments. I believed in HCW, but now I want to know what is "non-forensic evidence" for the Germans to continue believing ... If you cannot prove something, how are you sure it is true?

The justice system does not work on absolute proof.. Its proof beyond reasonable doubt. Do we know what happened to Joanna Cipriano... No..

Wolters says his evidence shows CB murdered  MM. That doesn't mean he can definitely prove it in court... He might be able to but as he has said he has to think about double jeapardy. That is why he is in no rush... He wants to build a water tight case. He has said all these things.

I think those who criticise Wolters haven't listened to all he has said and dont understand his actions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2021, 07:59:34 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 06, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
We have to wait for the next developments. I believed in HCW, but now I want to know what is "non-forensic evidence" for the Germans to continue believing ... If you cannot prove something, how are you sure it is true?

If Wolters has photographic evidence of the abuse of MM then thst proves she was abducted and suggests but not prove she is dead. It may also suggest but not prove who the killer is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2021, 08:01:51 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 06, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
We have to wait for the next developments. I believed in HCW, but now I want to know what is "non-forensic evidence" for the Germans to continue believing ... If you cannot prove something, how are you sure it is true?

It is absolutely possible to know something is true without being able to prove it in court
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2021, 09:03:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 07, 2021, 07:59:34 AM
If Wolters has photographic evidence of the abuse of MM then thst proves she was abducted and suggests but not prove she is dead. It may also suggest but not prove who the killer is

You keep on about this but yet you can't answer who would identify said image to be that of Madeleine ? answer is no one cause there is no photographic image .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2021, 09:23:51 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2021, 09:03:34 AM
You keep on about this but yet you can't answer who would identify said image to be that of Madeleine ? answer is no one cause there is no photographic image .
I have to agree with you here.  If there was a photo in existence showing Madeleine or someone who looked very like her, known to have been taken after her disappearance, then the police would IMO be duty bound to seek verification from the parents.  Understandably this could be very distressing for the parents but it could be presented in such a way as to minimise distress caused.  For this reason I don't think the Germans have a photo either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2021, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 07, 2021, 06:47:28 AM
Some people have suggested such things about a Portuguese Policia Judiciara Coordinator. Daft, isn't it?
Is the said coordinator Amaral ? who has a criminal conviction for perjury and has led a rather chequered life flitting from one law suit to another through the years, even being sued by his brother for fraud and attempting to have a lawyer committed to an insane asylum in another 😁

I agree with you that Wolters certainly isn't in the same league as that - no contest - particularly as he appears to be able to differentiate between what constitutes evidence but Amaral had a theory - or quite a collection of them which he thought would do instead.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2021, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2021, 09:03:34 AM
You keep on about this but yet you can't answer who would identify said image to be that of Madeleine ? answer is no one cause there is no photographic image .

In Your Opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2021, 10:24:39 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2021, 09:03:34 AM
You keep on about this but yet you can't answer who would identify said image to be that of Madeleine ? answer is no one cause there is no photographic image .

“I can assure you the money police spent on the Portuguese children is not even 1% of what they spent on Maddie,” former detective Paulo Pereira Cristovao told the doco-series.

“Just one girl? There are lots of people, lots of kids kidnapped,” footage of a Portuguese local is also shown in the documentary. His comment reflects the sentiment of many living in the European city at the time.
                          ____________________________________________________________

In September of that year, an international child pornography bust saw police recover 750,000 images and videos of 1,263 different children from an illicit paedophile group known as 'The Wonderland Club'.

The only place parents of missing children could see the pictures was in Geneva. So Rui Pedro's mother went over and asked for access.

She found her little boy amongst the faces. He was among the 16 children police were able to identify.

https://www.mamamia.com.au/rui-pedro-madeleine-mccann-documentary/


The Germans definitely have evidence.  They haven't told us what it is yet and when asked specifically if it is photographic - Wolters refused to answer.

If it is something that Madeleine's parents can assist them with there certainly would be no requirement for publicity nor should there be any requirement for anyone to know anything about it but the investigators and Kate and Gerry for the moment.

In this digital age they would not have had to travel to a specific location to view photographs as Rui Pedro's mother had to do.

In this digital age there would be no requirement for parents to carry out such an identification either.  One bears in mind that in at least one instance a little girl was so similar to Madeleine that only DNA was able to rule her out.

Therefore until we are told precisely what evidence the Germans have it is a fair bet it is photographic given the volume of such evidence retrieved from Brueckner's residence in at least one instance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2021, 10:38:52 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 07, 2021, 09:54:59 AM
In Your Opinion.

Yep, yet no one is prepared to say who identified the alleged photo of Madeleine, its certainly not the McCann's, nor have they been notified as such, its all speculation, CB said he did for Madeleine and a whole investigation is based on such, best I not admit to Wolters I was the shooter on the grassy knoll, lest he use as it hearsay evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2021, 11:01:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2021, 10:38:52 AM
Yep, yet no one is prepared to say who identified the alleged photo of Madeleine, its certainly not the McCann's, nor have they been notified as such, its all speculation, CB said he did for Madeleine and a whole investigation is based on such, best I not admit to Wolters I was the shooter on the grassy knoll, lest he use as it hearsay evidence.

Please try to remember this when making an unsupported statement in future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2021, 11:22:24 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2021, 09:03:34 AM
You keep on about this but yet you can't answer who would identify said image to be that of Madeleine ? answer is no one cause there is no photographic image .
We would need to know the precise details to show how id was made. I dont know if this evidence exists.. But I think its reasonable to suggest it does
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 07, 2021, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 07, 2021, 10:24:39 AM

The Germans definitely have evidence.  They haven't told us what it is yet and when asked specifically if it is photographic - Wolters refused to answer.

I would like to know what the Germans consider forensic and non-forensic evidence.

Here the BKA page:

https://www.bka.de/EN/OurTasks/Remit/CentralAgency/ForensicScience/forensicScience_node.html (https://www.bka.de/EN/OurTasks/Remit/CentralAgency/ForensicScience/forensicScience_node.html)

It seems eyewitness testimony is not consider forensic evidence.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2021, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 07, 2021, 12:20:36 PM
I would like to know what the Germans consider forensic and non-forensic evidence.

Here the BKA page:

https://www.bka.de/EN/OurTasks/Remit/CentralAgency/ForensicScience/forensicScience_node.html (https://www.bka.de/EN/OurTasks/Remit/CentralAgency/ForensicScience/forensicScience_node.html)

It seems eyewitness testimony is not consider forensic evidence.

I think we all understood that.
He hss also said that the evidence could be photographic
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 07, 2021, 12:58:15 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 07, 2021, 12:20:36 PM
I would like to know what the Germans consider forensic and non-forensic evidence.

Here the BKA page:

https://www.bka.de/EN/OurTasks/Remit/CentralAgency/ForensicScience/forensicScience_node.html (https://www.bka.de/EN/OurTasks/Remit/CentralAgency/ForensicScience/forensicScience_node.html)

It seems eyewitness testimony is not consider forensic evidence.

I have been wondering how the BKA came to be investigating CB's involvement in the Madeleine McCann case. I wonder if Wolters requested their involvement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 07, 2021, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 07, 2021, 12:58:15 PM
I have been wondering how the BKA came to be investigating CB's involvement in the Madeleine McCann case. I wonder if Wolters requested their involvement?
https://www.bka.de/EN/Home/home_node.html


"As of the mid-80’s, besides continuing its battle against terrorism, the Bundeskriminalamt concentrated above all on dealing with the growth of international drug trafficking and the spread of organized crime."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2021, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 07, 2021, 11:01:00 AM
Please try to remember this when making an unsupported statement in future.

Its all hearsay.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2021, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: misty on June 07, 2021, 01:11:45 PM
https://www.bka.de/EN/Home/home_node.html


"As of the mid-80’s, besides continuing its battle against terrorism, the Bundeskriminalamt concentrated above all on dealing with the growth of international drug trafficking and the spread of organized crime."

Brueckner doesn't really seem to fit either of those categories.

His crimes seem random rather than organised  and himself  very much a minnow  when it comes to drug dealing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2021, 01:34:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2021, 01:30:59 PM
Brueckner doesn't really seem to fit either of those categories.

His crimes seem random rather than organised  and himself  very much a minnow  when it comes to drug dealing.

Yep, jack the lad whom could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, 4 yrs of investigation doesn't seem to bear much fruit, save an appeal for info.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 07, 2021, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2021, 01:30:59 PM
Brueckner doesn't really seem to fit either of those categories.

His crimes seem random rather than organised  and himself  very much a minnow  when it comes to drug dealing.

CB was reportedly trafficking drugs over a long period between Portugal, Spain & Germany yet remained undetected. He must have acquired the drugs from a bigger third party source and had a marketplace to deliver to/sell on. That's organised.
Busching, the guy who spoke to SY about Brueckner in 2017, has been convicted twice of people trafficking. That's organised crime.
The recovery of thousands of child sex abuse images from Brueckner's devices links to networks of organised paedophile rings.
He may be a minnow but he certainly has the potential to lead BKA to the bigger fish imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 07, 2021, 01:45:35 PM
When the investigation will finish HCW will present the results. The Germans think that it will take some more months till they will come to an end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2021, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 07, 2021, 01:45:35 PM
When the investigation will finish HCW will present the results. The Germans think that it will take some more months till they will come to an end.

I seem to think that's what they were saying Last June.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2021, 01:48:02 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 07, 2021, 01:45:35 PM
When the investigation will finish HCW will present the results. The Germans think that it will take some more months till they will come to an end.

One would hope its presented to CB and his lawyer and then a court before going public with what ever they have, if its enough that is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2021, 03:00:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2021, 01:30:59 PM
Brueckner doesn't really seem to fit either of those categories.

His crimes seem random rather than organised  and himself  very much a minnow  when it comes to drug dealing.
Yet, it has been reported that Brückner had contact with Kruse, administrator of ‘Boystown’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2021, 03:00:29 PM
Yet, it has been reported that Brückner had contact with Kruse, administrator of ‘Boystown’.

Has that been confirmed by police? If so, a cite would be helpful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2021, 05:38:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2021, 01:34:13 PM
Yep, jack the lad whom could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, 4 yrs of investigation doesn't seem to bear much fruit, save an appeal for info.
Is that what we call rapists and paedophiles now?  “Jack The Lad”?  How sweet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2021, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2021, 05:38:17 PM
Is that what we call rapists and paedophiles now?  “Jack The Lad”?  How sweet.

Whatever floats your boat with some people.  But this one takes the can.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 07, 2021, 05:51:26 PM
Whatever floats your boat with some people.  But this one takes the can.

I never cease to be amazed by the mentality which defends Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence while at the same time trampling the McCann's rights underfoot with unbounded dedication and gusto.

"Jack the lad" certainly made me sit up and take notice.  What on earth can one say to that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 07, 2021, 06:44:48 PM
Here we go again, Wolters is still trying to persuade everyone that he actually has something.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/crime/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-solved-months-b1860932.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2021, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: John on June 07, 2021, 06:44:48 PM
Here we go again, Wolters is still trying to persuade everyone that he actually has something.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/crime/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-solved-months-b1860932.html

Im sure he has
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 07, 2021, 07:11:39 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 07, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
I never cease to be amazed by the mentality which defends Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence while at the same time trampling the McCann's rights underfoot with unbounded dedication and gusto.

"Jack the lad" certainly made me sit up and take notice.  What on earth can one say to that?
One can say that some people have a clear agenda to minimise and downplay Brückner’s crimes, it’s happened repeatedly on this forum..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2021, 07:15:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2021, 07:11:39 PM
One can say that some people have a clear agenda to minimise and downplay Brückner’s crimes, it’s happened repeatedly on this forum..

How does one justify downplaying Rape and Paedophilia?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2021, 07:20:43 PM
Quote from: John on June 07, 2021, 06:44:48 PM
Here we go again, Wolters is still trying to persuade everyone that he actually has something.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/crime/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-solved-months-b1860932.html

From the article :Police have received ‘very interesting tips,’ prosecutor says.

DCI Cranwell last June:"We are pleased with the information coming in, and it will be assessed and prioritised," he said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2021, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Has that been confirmed by police? If so, a cite would be helpful.
https://www.abc.com.py/nacionales/2021/05/18/paraguay-habria-colaborado-con-datos-para-el-esclarecimiento-del-caso-madeleine-mccann/
From Paraguayan media. Please try and navigate your way to the ‘English’ version on their site.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2021, 07:56:03 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Has that been confirmed by police? If so, a cite would be helpful.
What would be helpful, in my opinion, instead of posting comments doubting and questioning everyone and everything, familiarise yourself with the discourse re. Madeleine’s disappearance circa. 2021.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2021, 08:07:43 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2021, 07:56:03 PM
What would be helpful, in my opinion, instead of posting comments doubting and questioning everyone and everything, familiarise yourself with the discourse re. Madeleine’s disappearance circa. 2021.

I'll take that as a no then.  8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2021, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2021, 08:07:43 PM
I'll take that as a no then.  8)--))
?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2021, 08:25:29 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 07, 2021, 08:15:01 PM
?

If you learned to question everything rather than take them at face value you might learn something - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 08, 2021, 07:34:24 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 07, 2021, 08:25:29 PM
If you learned to question everything rather than take them at face value you might learn something - IMO

And you might learn something by being less indolent. My opinion.

‘A global paedophile ring with links to missing Madeleine McCann has been dismantled in a major police ‘bust’ in Paraguay. One of the top figures in the gang is a known contact of sex offender Christian Brückner – currently ‘in the frame’ for Madeleine’s abduction from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve a little over 14 years ago. Say reports, Paraguay’s police commissioner Nimio Cardozo believes “there are elements whereby our security agencies could contribute to clarifying the Madeleine case.” For now, Christian Brückner is in jail in Germany (serving out a sentence for the rape of an American pensioner in Praia da Luz in 2005), but has not be charged nor questioned over Madeleine’s disappearance’.
https://www.portugalresident.com/global-paedophile-ring-busted-in-paraguay-may-contribute-to-clarifying-madeleine-case/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2021, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 08, 2021, 07:34:24 AM
And you might learn something by being less indolent. My opinion.

‘A global paedophile ring with links to missing Madeleine McCann has been dismantled in a major police ‘bust’ in Paraguay. One of the top figures in the gang is a known contact of sex offender Christian Brückner – currently ‘in the frame’ for Madeleine’s abduction from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve a little over 14 years ago. Say reports, Paraguay’s police commissioner Nimio Cardozo believes “there are elements whereby our security agencies could contribute to clarifying the Madeleine case.” For now, Christian Brückner is in jail in Germany (serving out a sentence for the rape of an American pensioner in Praia da Luz in 2005), but has not be charged nor questioned over Madeleine’s disappearance’.
https://www.portugalresident.com/global-paedophile-ring-busted-in-paraguay-may-contribute-to-clarifying-madeleine-case/

So no actual connection between Kruse & Brueckner in the quote by the policeman, only a 'believe' and a 'maybe'.
Fine
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 11:00:58 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 08, 2021, 09:18:47 AM
So no actual connection between Kruse & Brueckner in the quote by the policeman, only a 'believe' and a 'maybe'.
Fine

Pretty tenuous and no confirmed link between the two men, and just a possibility that they may find something of interest to the Madeleine McCann case.

“Forensic analysis of computers in Paraguay and Germany led to the identification of more than 5,000 connected IP addresses that were exchanging pedophile videos and photos.

“We have not ruled out the possibility that among all this large data, there may be important information for the Madeleine case.”
https://www.fr24news.com/a/2021/05/police-destroy-global-pedophile-gang-who-may-have-ties-to-madeleine-mccann-fr.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 08, 2021, 11:02:10 AM
I am listening to Paraguayan Constable Nimio Cardozo. I translate:

Q: You [the Police] would have helped to find some things from this pedophile [CB] that had ramifications in Paraguay ...

A: We, yes ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 11:00:58 AM
Pretty tenuous and no confirmed link between the two men, and just a possibility that they may find something of interest to the Madeleine McCann case.

“Forensic analysis of computers in Paraguay and Germany led to the identification of more than 5,000 connected IP addresses that were exchanging pedophile videos and photos.

“We have not ruled out the possibility that among all this large data, there may be important information for the Madeleine case.”
https://www.fr24news.com/a/2021/05/police-destroy-global-pedophile-gang-who-may-have-ties-to-madeleine-mccann-fr.html

How could there be any connection when according to you Amaral  His team and Uk police have proof Maddies cadaver was in 5a
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 12:20:39 PM
How could there be any connection when according to you Amaral  His team and Uk police have proof Maddies cadaver was in 5a

There could be a connection between Kruse and CB that's nothing to do with the case of Madeleine McCann. There is no proof that Madeleine's cadaver was in 5A, and I've not said there was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 12:58:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 12:51:07 PM
There could be a connection between Kruse and CB that's nothing to do with the case of Madeleine McCann. There is no proof that Madeleine's cadaver was in 5A, and I've not said there was.

You have supported Amarals claim that there was... I find that ridiculous and goes against everything every expert has ever said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2021, 01:14:33 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 08, 2021, 11:02:10 AM
I am listening to Paraguayan Constable Nimio Cardozo. I translate:

Q: You [the Police] would have helped to find some things from this pedophile [CB] that had ramifications in Paraguay ...

A: We, yes ...

Is that all he said or was it the start of a fuller answer ?

Incidentally he is a Commissioner of Police, not a Constable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 12:58:37 PM
You have supported Amarals claim that there was... I find that ridiculous and goes against everything every expert has ever said

There's a difference between agreeing with someone and supporting their right to express their opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2021, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 12:51:07 PM
There could be a connection between Kruse and CB that's nothing to do with the case of Madeleine McCann. There is no proof that Madeleine's cadaver was in 5A, and I've not said there was.
But you have said this

LThat's your opinion, but you can't deny that the dogs alerted. You also can't deny what they were trained to alert to.
It's reasonable to assume that they found what they were trained to find.”.

So if it’s reasonable to assume there was a cadaver in Apartment 5 A is it also reasonable to assume it was Madeleine’s?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2021, 02:59:08 PM
But you have said this

LThat's your opinion, but you can't deny that the dogs alerted. You also can't deny what they were trained to alert to.
It's reasonable to assume that they found what they were trained to find.”.

So if it’s reasonable to assume there was a cadaver in Apartment 5 A is it also reasonable to assume it was Madeleine’s?

It's reasonable to assume that the dogs detected cadaver scent and human blood in 5A, but it doesn't follow that there was a cadaver there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 03:44:30 PM
It's reasonable to assume that the dogs detected cadaver scent and human blood in 5A, but it doesn't follow that there was a cadaver there.

Amaral said that at a meeting with UK police it was confirmed that a cavaer had been in 5a and as no one else had died there it confirms the body of MM...which of course is not true.....The files tell us taht at a meeting the UK police told the PJ the alerts confirmed nothing. Stop wriggling and admit what amaral said was not true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 03:56:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 03:44:30 PM
It's reasonable to assume that the dogs detected cadaver scent and human blood in 5A, but it doesn't follow that there was a cadaver there.

this is waht GA says in his book...

English and Portuguese police get together to analyse the results of Eddie and Keela's searches.

- What we can deduce at this stage is that only the McCanns are implicated. The dogs did not detect blood or cadaver odour other than with them.

- From now on we have the certainty that there was a body behind the sofa before being taken into the parents' bedroom.


im sure you undersatnd what certainty means.....this is not what harrison says about the meeting...what amaral says in his book is UNTRUE....absolutely no doubt about it...but you think his assumption is reasoanble...imo your credibility has sunk to zero
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2021, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 03:44:30 PM
It's reasonable to assume that the dogs detected cadaver scent and human blood in 5A, but it doesn't follow that there was a cadaver there.
So it would therefore be unreasonable to accuse the McCanns of disposing of the body of their daughter based on the dog alerts, is that what you are saying?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 04:44:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 03:56:25 PM
this is waht GA says in his book...

English and Portuguese police get together to analyse the results of Eddie and Keela's searches.

- What we can deduce at this stage is that only the McCanns are implicated. The dogs did not detect blood or cadaver odour other than with them.

- From now on we have the certainty that there was a body behind the sofa before being taken into the parents' bedroom.


im sure you undersatnd what certainty means.....this is not what harrison says about the meeting...what amaral says in his book is UNTRUE....absolutely no doubt about it...but you think his assumption is reasoanble...imo your credibility has sunk to zero

Now don't you think it odd they never alerted  anywhere apart from mccs and there possessions.


Two specialist English sniffer dogs were summoned to Praia da Luz in August 2007 to try and help work out what had happened to Madeleine McCann.
The springer spaniels, named Eddie and Keela, and their handler Martin Grime had been handpicked by the UK police force's national search expert, Mark Harrison.
During their intensive search the two dogs made 13 alerts in several key locations of interest in the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 04:52:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 03:56:25 PM
this is waht GA says in his book...

English and Portuguese police get together to analyse the results of Eddie and Keela's searches.

- What we can deduce at this stage is that only the McCanns are implicated. The dogs did not detect blood or cadaver odour other than with them.

- From now on we have the certainty that there was a body behind the sofa before being taken into the parents' bedroom.


im sure you undersatnd what certainty means.....this is not what harrison says about the meeting...what amaral says in his book is UNTRUE....absolutely no doubt about it...but you think his assumption is reasoanble...imo your credibility has sunk to zero


His book was wrote from police files ...the book is there for anyone to read.

As you know GA won three battles ...the book is there to stay imo.

Why anyone should worry about your opinion of credibility .....god only knows.

IMO your posts push the wolt theory far to much for you to have any credability D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2021, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 03:56:25 PM
this is waht GA says in his book...

English and Portuguese police get together to analyse the results of Eddie and Keela's searches.

- What we can deduce at this stage is that only the McCanns are implicated. The dogs did not detect blood or cadaver odour other than with them.

- From now on we have the certainty that there was a body behind the sofa before being taken into the parents' bedroom.


im sure you undersatnd what certainty means.....this is not what harrison says about the meeting...what amaral says in his book is UNTRUE....absolutely no doubt about it...but you think his assumption is reasoanble...imo your credibility has sunk to zero

I give it Minus 10.  Although even that is a bit over the top.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 04:44:51 PM
Now don't you think it odd they never alerted  anywhere apart from mccs and there possessions.


Two specialist English sniffer dogs were summoned to Praia da Luz in August 2007 to try and help work out what had happened to Madeleine McCann.
The springer spaniels, named Eddie and Keela, and their handler Martin Grime had been handpicked by the UK police force's national search expert, Mark Harrison.
During their intensive search the two dogs made 13 alerts in several key locations of interest in the case.

No I dont think it at all odd... I think its very easily explained..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 04:52:01 PM

His book was wrote from police files ...the book is there for anyone to read.

As you know GA won three battles ...the book is there to stay imo.

Why anyone should worry about your opinion of credibility .....god only knows.

IMO your posts push the wolt theory far to much for you to have any credability D
If the ECHR rule in favour of the Mcs then the book is ridiculed and is not there to stay
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 05:01:56 PM
If the ECHR rule in favour of the Mcs then the book is ridiculed and is not there to stay

Ye well that is "IF" they do ...as of yet they haven't.

So I would say what I posted ...is more credible than what you have just  posted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2021, 05:23:48 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 05:11:41 PM
Ye well that is "IF" they do ...as of yet they haven't.

So I would say what I posted ...is more credible than what you have just  posted.

I would say not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 05:28:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 08, 2021, 05:23:48 PM
I would say not.

What rule in favour of the mccs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 05:34:23 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 05:28:34 PM
What rule in favour of the mccs
Having looked at a lot of similar cases.. And the fact they say its governed by exising case law.. Portugals very poor record at the ECHR.. And lots more... think its highly likely they will
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2021, 05:38:13 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 05:28:34 PM
What rule in favour of the mccs

Why ever would I not believe that?

Davel has laid it all out logically for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 08, 2021, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 05:11:41 PM
Ye well that is "IF" they do ...as of yet they haven't.

So I would say what I posted ...is more credible than what you have just  posted.

I'm sure you can explain what relevance it has to the new (old) suspect thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 08, 2021, 05:46:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 05:34:23 PM
Having looked at a lot of similar cases.. And the fact they say its governed by exising case law.. Portugals very poor record at the ECHR.. And lots more... think its highly likely they will

All your posts imo are balanced on probability....the conclusion you yourself  have come to

You don't know what happened anymore than anyone else.

What we do all know though is Maddie an the twins where left ...left alone.

When you do that anything can happen.

Unfortunately IMO the place was trampled by 20 + people destroying any evidence it seems.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 05:59:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 03:56:25 PM
this is waht GA says in his book...

English and Portuguese police get together to analyse the results of Eddie and Keela's searches.

- What we can deduce at this stage is that only the McCanns are implicated. The dogs did not detect blood or cadaver odour other than with them.

- From now on we have the certainty that there was a body behind the sofa before being taken into the parents' bedroom.

im sure you undersatnd what certainty means.....this is not what harrison says about the meeting...what amaral says in his book is UNTRUE....absolutely no doubt about it...but you think his assumption is reasoanble...imo your credibility has sunk to zero

You should have included what he goes on to say;

"These conclusions do not, for the moment, constitute proof. If the laboratory results are positive, and only in that case, we will have our proof."
TOTL page 78
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 06:04:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 05:59:08 PM


Perhaps you dont understand what he goes on to say.
He says its a certainty there was a body in 5a..but it can only be confirmef its MM if the Forensic results confirm it

Thr FFS results dont... But he doesnt believe it

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2021, 07:01:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 06:04:31 PM
Perhaps you dont understand what he goes on to say.
He says its a certainty there was a body in 5a..but it can only be confirmef its MM if the Forensic results confirm it

Thr FFS results dont... But he doesnt believe it
And in order for him to be correct he has to buy into a conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 06:04:31 PM
Perhaps you dont understand what he goes on to say.
He says its a certainty there was a body in 5a..but it can only be confirmef its MM if the Forensic results confirm it

Thr FFS results dont... But he doesnt believe it

Was it you who said recently that it's possible to know something's true even if it can't be proved? Perhaps that's how Amaral feels. There are those who 'know' that Madeleine was abducted, but that has never been proved either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 08:11:11 PM
Was it you who said recently that it's possible to know something's true even if it can't be proved? Perhaps that's how Amaral feels. There are those who 'know' that Madeleine was abducted, but that has never been proved either.
I did day that and I meant it.. But only in certain circumstances... I wasnt thinking of assumptions and hunches..
What about if you catch someonr stealing from you.. They break down and cry... Aplogise and promise to pay you back.
But the police get involved... The person then denies everything and the CPS says not enough evidence to prosecute... So you know they are guilty.. But you cant prove it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 08, 2021, 08:11:11 PM
Was it you who said recently that it's possible to know something's true even if it can't be proved? Perhaps that's how Amaral feels. There are those who 'know' that Madeleine was abducted, but that has never been proved either.
Im sure amaral believes Maddie died in an accident and there is proof... Like most sceptics.. They think of all crazy ideas to try and explain why they are not being prosecuted.. M15... Friends in high places... Elite paedophile rings... Gerry could bring the govt down.. Its all rubbish
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 08, 2021, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 03:49:54 PM
Amaral said that at a meeting with UK police it was confirmed that a cavaer had been in 5a and as no one else had died there it confirms the body of MM...which of course is not true.....The files tell us taht at a meeting the UK police told the PJ the alerts confirmed nothing. Stop wriggling and admit what amaral said was not true
Have the McCanns ever denied there had been a cadaver in 5A? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2021, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 08, 2021, 09:48:27 PM
Have the McCanns ever denied there had been a cadaver in 5A?
Do you think that is something they needed to deny, having already denied having anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 08, 2021, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2021, 10:15:58 PM
Do you think that is something they needed to deny, having already denied having anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance?
Not the same thing IMO.  "already denied having anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance" <> "never denied there was a cadaver in 5A".   (<> is a symbol meaning "does not equal")
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2021, 10:27:26 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 08, 2021, 09:48:27 PM
Have the McCanns ever denied there had been a cadaver in 5A?

Why should they... There is no evidence there was. What the mccanns have said is the alerts are not reliable... And I think even Grime would have to admit that after eddie alerted to a coconut
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 08, 2021, 10:36:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 10:27:26 PM
Why should they... There is no evidence there was. What the mccanns have said is the alerts are not reliable... And I think even Grime would have to admit that after eddie alerted to a coconut
And I'd agree.  An alert is not an identification of who was the source of the alert.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 08, 2021, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 08, 2021, 10:20:41 PM
Not the same thing IMO.  "already denied having anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance" <> "never denied there was a cadaver in 5A".   (<> is a symbol meaning "does not equal")
I think the first statement makes the secomd statement entirely redundant, unless you think there is any possible scenario in which the McCanns could claim a) not to have had any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance and b) admit the presence of a cadaver in their holiday apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 06:39:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 08, 2021, 10:40:58 PM
I think the first statement makes the secomd statement entirely redundant, unless you think there is any possible scenario in which the McCanns could claim a) not to have had any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance and b) admit the presence of a cadaver in their holiday apartment.
That was the solution I discovered.  This does not mean CB is not involved because the above solution only applies to what happened in the apartment and not what has happened to Madeleine from 9:45 PM onward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2021, 07:20:29 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 06:39:20 AM
That was the solution I discovered.  This does not mean CB is not involved because the above solution only applies to what happened in the apartment and not what has happened to Madeleine from 9:45 PM onward.
you’ve lost me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 11:54:22 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2021, 07:20:29 AM
you’ve lost me.
I believe once Madeleine got out on the road anyone could abduct her.   If CB was in the area it could well have been him. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2021, 12:05:01 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 11:54:22 AM
Once Madeleine got out on the road anyone could abduct her.   If CB was in the area it could well have been him.
What has that got to do with your question "have the McCanns denied there was a cadaver in Apartment 5a?"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2021, 12:08:20 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 11:54:22 AM
I believe once Madeleine got out on the road anyone could abduct her.   If CB was in the area it could well have been him.

Not logical.  This entire case hinges on logic.  It wasn't some sort of mischance.  It was planned by someone, although I doubt that it was planned by Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2021, 12:05:01 PM
What has that got to do with your question "have the McCanns denied there was a cadaver in Apartment 5a?"
They (the McCanns) reckon Madeleine is alive, and they have never denied there was a cadaver in apartment 5A.  How can there be a cadaver in 5A and Madeleine still alive?   Could someone have set them up?  Now IMO that is a possibility.

Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2021, 12:08:20 PM
Not logical.  This entire case hinges on logic.  It wasn't some sort of mischance.  It was planned by someone, although I doubt that it was planned by Brueckner.
Was it planned or was it just mischance?  Could one part be planned and other parts mischance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2021, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 12:13:57 PM
They (the McCanns) reckon Madeleine is alive, and they have never denied there was a cadaver in apartment 5A.  How can there be a cadaver in 5A and Madeleine still alive?   Could someone have set them up?  Now IMO that is a possibility.
Was it planned or was it just mischance?  Could one part be planned and other parts mischance?
Why should the McCanns need to deny there was a cadaver in Apartment 5a when they have stated categorically they had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance?  You're not making any sense IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2021, 12:19:14 PM
Why should the McCanns need to deny there was a cadaver in Apartment 5a when they have stated categorically they had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance?  You're not making any sense IMO.

I think you have to accept they are two different issues.

The McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance and
The cadaver in 5A was not their doing either.  Who put it there and who took it away, that is the mystery.

Madeleine could have been easily abducted from the road leading to the Tapas Restaurant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2021, 12:30:11 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 12:13:57 PM
They (the McCanns) reckon Madeleine is alive, and they have never denied there was a cadaver in apartment 5A.  How can there be a cadaver in 5A and Madeleine still alive?   Could someone have set them up?  Now IMO that is a possibility.
Was it planned or was it just mischance?  Could one part be planned and other parts mischance?

No, no mischance.  That child vanished off the face of the earth.  This was more likely if she is still alive and living under a different name.  Dead bodies have a nasty habit of turning up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 09, 2021, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 12:29:20 PM
I think you have to accept they are two different issues.

The McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance and
The cadaver in 5A was not their doing either.  Who put it there and who took it away, that is the mystery.

Madeleine could have been easily abducted from the road leading to the Tapas Restaurant.

Presuming she was on the road in the first place and that no one saw this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 09, 2021, 12:37:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 08, 2021, 08:32:34 PM
Im sure amaral believes Maddie died in an accident and there is proof... Like most sceptics.. They think of all crazy ideas to try and explain why they are not being prosecuted.. M15... Friends in high places... Elite paedophile rings... Gerry could bring the govt down.. Its all rubbish

Whatever anyone believes, there's still been no proof disclosed showing what happened on 3rd May 2007. It's all belief-based imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 09, 2021, 12:37:28 PM
Whatever anyone believes, there's still been no proof disclosed showing what happened on 3rd May 2007. It's all belief-based imo.
True.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 01:09:07 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 09, 2021, 12:32:48 PM
Presuming she was on the road in the first place and that no one saw this.
It was a quiet night in PDL. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2021, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 12:13:57 PM
They (the McCanns) reckon Madeleine is alive, and they have never denied there was a cadaver in apartment 5A.  How can there be a cadaver in 5A and Madeleine still alive?   Could someone have set them up?  Now IMO that is a possibility.
Was it planned or was it just mischance?  Could one part be planned and other parts mischance?

The McCanns dont think Mafdie is alive.. They think theres a
Remote possibility shes alive..
They think the alerts are unreliable.. Ad I do and there never was a cadaver in 5a. The alerts have been totally misrepresented imo..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2021, 01:12:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 09, 2021, 12:37:28 PM
Whatever anyone believes, there's still been no proof disclosed showing what happened on 3rd May 2007. It's all belief-based imo.
Its only Amaral claiming he can prove what happened... Which is clearly rubbish.. However Wolters may wrll have proof of what happened but not who did it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 09, 2021, 12:37:28 PM
Whatever anyone believes, there's still been no proof disclosed showing what happened on 3rd May 2007. It's all belief-based imo.

So you now accept that when Amaral says he has proof MM died in 5a and the parents covered up the death... He is not speaking the truth
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 09, 2021, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 09, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
So you now accept that when Amaral says he has proof MM died in 5a and the parents covered up the death... He is not speaking the truth

I haven't seen a quote where he claims to have proof. In 2018 he told Australian broadcast Channel 7’s Sunday Night;

Mr Amaral, 56, said to the reporter: "There is no hint or proof the child was kidnapped. On the contrary, there are hints the parents were negligent, and there are hints they were hiding the body."https://closeronline.co.uk/real-life/news/new-madeleine-mccann-documentary-mi5-covered-death-body-gordon-brown-kate-gerry/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2021, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 12:29:20 PM
I think you have to accept they are two different issues.

The McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance and
The cadaver in 5A was not their doing either.  Who put it there and who took it away, that is the mystery.

Madeleine could have been easily abducted from the road leading to the Tapas Restaurant.
No, I don't accept they are two different issues as I don't accept there was a cadaver in the apartment during the McCanns's stay. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2021, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 09, 2021, 01:47:38 PM
I haven't seen a quote where he claims to have proof. In 2018 he told Australian broadcast Channel 7’s Sunday Night;

Mr Amaral, 56, said to the reporter: "There is no hint or proof the child was kidnapped. On the contrary, there are hints the parents were negligent, and there are hints they were hiding the body."https://closeronline.co.uk/real-life/news/new-madeleine-mccann-documentary-mi5-covered-death-body-gordon-brown-kate-gerry/
He claimed that there was certainly a body behind the sofa, perhaps he meant any old body?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 09, 2021, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 09, 2021, 01:47:38 PM
I haven't seen a quote where he claims to have proof. In 2018 he told Australian broadcast Channel 7’s Sunday Night;

Mr Amaral, 56, said to the reporter: "There is no hint or proof the child was kidnapped. On the contrary, there are hints the parents were negligent, and there are hints they were hiding the body."https://closeronline.co.uk/real-life/news/new-madeleine-mccann-documentary-mi5-covered-death-body-gordon-brown-kate-gerry/

In 2018 he wad aware the ECHR eas looming and being far motre careful.

In his documentary he says.. In the next 50 minites I will prove the child was not abducted but died in the apartment.. A death that was covered up... Thats from memory so the words are not exact.. Are you not aware of this
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 09, 2021, 02:20:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 09, 2021, 02:06:55 PM
In 2018 he wad aware the ECHR eas looming and being far motre careful.

In his documentary he says.. In the next 50 minites I will prove the child was not abducted but died in the apartment.. A death that was covered up... Thats from memory so the words are not exact.. Are you not aware of this

I think the denial of what Amaral has said on the record is because it is realised how absurd his many and varied pronouncements are.
But those who have been promoting his errors for over fourteen years must find it is difficult to let go.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 09, 2021, 02:36:14 PM
It's funny how all these sticklers for accuracy, the truth and cites for everything are so damn forgiving of every lie that falls out of Amaral's mouth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 09, 2021, 04:02:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 09, 2021, 02:36:14 PM
It's funny how all these sticklers for accuracy, the truth and cites for everything are so damn forgiving of every lie that falls out of Amaral's mouth.

Mention of whom brings to mind more of his conversations with the press.
He shouldn't have had any locus with the present case but but he obviously made it his business to be kept informed of events.

German paedophile 'wrote about Madeleine McCann abduction in web chat room'
A former detective says investigators had in the past probed a German paedophile's chatroom activities before police announced a new prime suspect in the missing Madeleine McCann case
4 JUN 2020
A detective investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance previously made claims a 'German paedophile' wrote about her case on an Internet chat room.

The man, who was not identified in reports, is alleged to have discussed the abduction of the British toddler on a web forum after she vanished from a Portuguese resort.

News last night that investigators had confirmed a key suspect is one of the most significant breakthroughs in the case in recent years.

They described the suspect as a German paedophile and he has been named in local media as 'Christian B'.

Police officially revealed the convicted sex offender is now the key suspect, but no forces involved in the long-running investigation have named him.

German state prosecutor Christian Hoppe confirmed the suspect is a paedophile who has been convicted of sexual abuse against children as well as other sex crimes.

Mr Hoppe, from Germany's Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), told the country's ZDF television channel the 43-year-old is serving a prison sentence for a sex crime and has two previous convictions for "sexual contact with girls".

The suspect is reported to have been living in a campervan in Praia de Luz around the time Maddie vanished.

The Times reports a chatroom clue allegedly concerning a German man had previously emerged in the missing persons inquiry.

While the suspect has not been named, an investigator on the case had previously said the focus of the inquiry was on a German paedophile.

Goncalo Amaral, the head of the original Portuguese police investigation into the toddler's disappearance, said last year that detectives had looked into an Internet chatroom exchange.

According to the newspaper, Mr Amaral claimed that a German paedophile suspect had been ruled out of the inquiry in 2008.

The former detective described the man as later having been jailed in Germany for child sexual offences.

"Many years later, it appears that in an Internet chatroom there is a conversation between that person and another person where they talk about Madeleine," he said.

In 2013, Scotland Yard had said that a blond man had been sighted near the apartment where Maddie was taken from, where she was staying with parents Kate and Gerry McCann.

Yesterday evening detectives said the e-fit of the man that was released at the time had 'not been ruled out'.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-wrote-22136821
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 09, 2021, 06:22:24 PM



Quote from: Brietta on June 06, 2021, 10:07:12 PM
Oh ye of so much faith in the sayings of the tabloids  👀

Quote from: barrier on June 07, 2021, 06:42:55 AM
Make sure you stay true to yourself when next posting links to news articles.


Obviously can't.


Quote from: Brietta on June 09, 2021, 04:02:49 PM
Mention of whom brings to mind more of his conversations with the press.
He shouldn't have had any locus with the present case but but he obviously made it his business to be kept informed of events.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-wrote-22136821
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 09, 2021, 06:49:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 09, 2021, 06:22:24 PM



Obviously can't.

Let's bring things a little up to date for you.

There is a new prime suspect under suspicion of being connected to Madeleine's abduction.  He is currently under investigation even as we post.  I believe that is a situation not to your pleasing.  But unfortunately for you - all your deflection however nonsensical just is not going to alter the fact that there is a clear opportunity to resolve Madeleine's case with the reminder to you that empty vessels make the most noise 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 09, 2021, 06:57:42 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 09, 2021, 06:49:20 PM
Let's bring things a little up to date for you.

There is a new prime suspect under suspicion of being connected to Madeleine's abduction.  He is currently under investigation even as we post.  I believe that is a situation not to your pleasing.  But unfortunately for you - all your deflection however nonsensical just is not going to alter the fact that there is a clear opportunity to resolve Madeleine's case with the reminder to you that empty vessels make the most noise 😁


Lets bring you up to date, twelve months on he's hardly a  new suspect, it'll fizzle out before you know it, I'm sure  the empty vessel in your little part of the world is sounding loud and clear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 09, 2021, 07:41:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 09, 2021, 06:57:42 PM

Lets bring you up to date, twelve months on he's hardly a  new suspect, it'll fizzle out before you know it, I'm sure  the empty vessel in your little part of the world is sounding loud and clear.

One whom they have apparently been investigating for some years.  So it really does look as if they are quite determined to do their best for Madeleine.

Perhaps an examination of conscience might give you an inkling as to why that might cause a little chagrin in some quarters 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 09, 2021, 01:09:58 PM
The McCanns dont think Mafdie is alive.. They think theres a
Remote possibility shes alive..
They think the alerts are unreliable.. Ad I do and there never was a cadaver in 5a. The alerts have been totally misrepresented imo..
I heard Gerry say "cadaver dogs are unreliable"  but none of the other assertions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2021, 09:51:05 PM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 09:26:02 PM
I heard Gerry say "cadaver dogs are unreliable"  but none of the other assertions.

Indeed, I've never once heard him mention Mafdie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 09, 2021, 11:51:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 09, 2021, 09:51:05 PM
Indeed, I've never once heard him mention Mafdie.
You could be right.  I'll have to listen harder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2021, 06:03:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 09, 2021, 07:41:14 PM
One whom they have apparently been investigating for some years.  So it really does look as if they are quite determined to do their best for Madeleine.

Perhaps an examination of conscience might give you an inkling as to why that might cause a little chagrin in some quarters 😁
It'll emerge in the fullness of time after investigating CB for three yrs they had nothing so named him in the hope or desperation that by revealing they had a named suspect something would turn up, boy did it ever, Wolters shook the tree and all that fell was detritus,borne  out by 12 months of nonsense in the press.The legend is writ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2021, 07:14:44 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2021, 06:03:19 AM
It'll emerge in the fullness of time after investigating CB for three yrs they had nothing so named him in the hope or desperation that by revealing they had a named suspect something would turn up, boy did it ever, Wolters shook the tree and all that fell was detritus,borne  out by 12 months of nonsense in the press.The legend is writ.
You think they would spend four years investigating a man if they had nothing? i
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2021, 09:09:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2021, 06:03:19 AM
It'll emerge in the fullness of time after investigating CB for three yrs they had nothing so named him in the hope or desperation that by revealing they had a named suspect something would turn up, boy did it ever, Wolters shook the tree and all that fell was detritus,borne  out by 12 months of nonsense in the press.The legend is writ.
The "legend was writ" in 2007.

It took until 2013 for it to be put back on track.  Only now in 2021 does it appear that we are getting extremely close to the fact of the matter.

But not content with a powerful investigation into Madeleine's abduction perhaps bearing fruit ~ the legend writer just cannot tear himself away from embellishing the legend he created.

Why did Amaral feel it necessary to crawl out from under the same rock that Brueckner did when it was upturned by the Germans, to embellish his original legend from dogs and poisonous Calpol with yet more fantastic legend of painted wagons and a dreadlocked patsy.

Instead of concentrating on the original legend manufactured and promoted by Amaral ~ why don't you put your thinking cap on and give some consideration to his present antics of attempting to manufacture another,

As far as I can see regarding his deliberate and well publicised misdirection, he was caught out in the lie before it became the stuff of legend and the investigation into Madeleine's case and who knows what else is continuing apace and not side tracked as it was in 2007.

All we have to do is wait.  Spare some thought to the other victims we know about and the many we certainly don't and ponder how many may have suffered due to Amaral writing his legend and the legend being unreservedly believed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2021, 06:15:39 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2021, 09:09:38 AM



Instead of concentrating on the original legend manufactured and promoted by Amaral ~ why don't you put your thinking cap on and give some consideration to his present antics of attempting to manufacture another,



Two things to that show me where I concentrate on the original supposed legend.  Wolters created the legend of his suspect doing for Madeleine , and after 4 yrs , b....r all to show for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2021, 06:25:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2021, 07:14:44 AM
You think they would spend four years investigating a man if they had nothing? i


Just for you, lets say Wolt is right and CB was actually on his dog and bone in the general area, why couldn't he have been there for a totally innocent and unrelated reason ? which seems to be borne out with out any progress from concrete some 12 months ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2021, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2021, 06:25:27 PM

Just for you, lets say Wolt is right and CB was actually on his dog and bone in the general area, why couldn't he have been there for a totally innocent and unrelated reason ? which seems to be borne out with out any progress from concrete some 12 months ago.

Not any where near as bad as Amaral who claims the parents dun it... 14 years no progress...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2021, 06:38:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 10, 2021, 06:34:25 PM
Not any where near as bad as Amaral who claims the parents dun it... 14 years no progress...

You're has bad with the incessant love of all things Amaral.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2021, 06:44:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2021, 06:15:39 PM
Two things to that show me where I concentrate on the original supposed legend.  Wolters created the legend of his suspect doing for Madeleine , and after 4 yrs , b....r all to show for it.

You are concentrating on a series of fallacies for your promotion of your absurd "legend".  Wolters and the German investigation are ploughing their way through the evidence some of which may still be uncontaminated with the 'legend' made up by your troubadour.

My lips involuntarily curl into a sneer at mention of Amaral and Wolters in the same breath - Amaral isn't fit to lick Wolter's shoe.  What is it that you are missing about Amaral purposely laying a false trail away from the prime suspect in an abducted child case by publishing a faked up photograph.

Witnesses are still coming forward and are still being investigated.  Why do you think Amaral did what he did because it most certainly was nothing that was aimed at furthering the German case.
Don't you think it suspicious? - or do you think it is just Amaral doing what he does best during a missing child investigation by botching the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2021, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 10, 2021, 06:25:27 PM

Just for you, lets say Wolt is right and CB was actually on his dog and bone in the general area, why couldn't he have been there for a totally innocent and unrelated reason ? which seems to be borne out with out any progress from concrete some 12 months ago.
He could have been, who has said otherwise?  It’s what the police are investigating, do you think they shouldn’t bother checking out a known paedophile / rapist / burglar who happened to be in the near vicinity of a child that has gone missing? One who allegedly confessed to the crime to a mate?   Nah, police should have ignored it like the Portuguese police did, far more professional .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2021, 06:45:44 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 10, 2021, 06:53:02 PM
He could have been, who has said otherwise?  It’s what the police are investigating, do you think they shouldn’t bother checking out a known paedophile / rapist / burglar who happened to be in the near vicinity of a child that has gone missing? One who allegedly confessed to the crime to a mate?   Nah, police should have ignored it like the Portuguese police did, far more professional .
Its all built on the telling of his bestest mate over a pint, that's probably where the notion of a photo came from,CB saying I've got a photo  too, Wolters has been searching for four years, you can't find what isn't there to be found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2021, 06:51:15 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2021, 06:44:11 PM
You are concentrating on a series of fallacies for your promotion of your absurd "legend".  Wolters and the German investigation are ploughing their way through the evidence some of which may still be uncontaminated with the 'legend' made up by your troubadour.

My lips involuntarily curl into a sneer at mention of Amaral and Wolters in the same breath - Amaral isn't fit to lick Wolter's shoe.  What is it that you are missing about Amaral purposely laying a false trail away from the prime suspect in an abducted child case by publishing a faked up photograph.

Witnesses are still coming forward and are still being investigated.  Why do you think Amaral did what he did because it most certainly was nothing that was aimed at furthering the German case.
Don't you think it suspicious? - or do you think it is just Amaral doing what he does best during a missing child investigation by botching the case.
Its not my legend,Wolters is the writer.Perhaps you ought leave the case far behind you if it's that emotionally draining to mention Amaral.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2021, 07:09:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 11, 2021, 06:45:44 AM
Its all built on the telling of his bestest mate over a pint, that's probably where the notion of a photo came from,CB saying I've got a photo  too, Wolters has been searching for four years, you can't find what isn't there to be found.
You didn’t answer the question, what a surprise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 08:04:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 10, 2021, 06:44:11 PM

snip/

My lips involuntarily curl into a sneer at mention of Amaral and Wolters in the same breath - Amaral isn't fit to lick Wolter's shoe. 

Such strong feelings and certainties about people you don't know! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2021, 08:16:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 08:04:52 AM
Such strong feelings and certainties about people you don't know!
Interesting that you tolerate the personal attack on Brietta above.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 11, 2021, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 08:04:52 AM
Such strong feelings and certainties about people you don't know!

And few much stronger than yours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 10:10:01 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2021, 08:16:45 AM
Interesting that you tolerate the personal attack on Brietta above.

You mean the observation that the case seems to have proved emotionally draining? An involuntary feeling of scorn or disgust at the mention of Amaral strikes me as something of an overreaction too. I expect it is draining to be so emotionally involved.

In my opinion Amaral and Wolters share one trait; a conviction that their understanding of this case is the correct one.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2021, 10:36:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 10:10:01 AM
You mean the observation that the case seems to have proved emotionally draining? An involuntary feeling of scorn or disgust at the mention of Amaral strikes me as something of an overreaction too. I expect it is draining to be so emotionally involved.

In my opinion Amaral and Wolters share one trait; a conviction that their understanding of this case is the correct one.

My post certainly caught your attention and Barrier's - what a pity neither of you appear to have the capacity to mount a valid counter argument without stooping to personal insult.

Amaral was responsible for making his name from a libellous book about a horrendously botched non-investigation into the disappearance of a child.

Not content with that he has done his best to interfere with the current investigation.I really don't think one could encounter a more toe curling individual than that one unless Brueckner is taken out of the equation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 11, 2021, 10:41:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 10:10:01 AM
You mean the observation that the case seems to have proved emotionally draining? An involuntary feeling of scorn or disgust at the mention of Amaral strikes me as something of an overreaction too. I expect it is draining to be so emotionally involved.

In my opinion Amaral and Wolters share one trait; a conviction that their understanding of this case is the correct one.

Amaral had NO understanding, obviously.  It remains to be seen if Wolters is correct about about a convicted Rapist and Paedophile.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 11, 2021, 10:49:00 AM
Posters are reminded to maintain some decorum when responding to comments. TY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 11, 2021, 10:50:08 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 11, 2021, 10:36:59 AM
My post certainly caught your attention and Barrier's - what a pity neither of you appear to have the capacity to mount a valid counter argument without stooping to personal insult.

Amaral was responsible for making his name from a libellous book about a horrendously botched non-investigation into the disappearance of a child.

Not content with that he has done his best to interfere with the current investigation.
  • there was the podcast in 2020 followed by interviews indicating who the prime suspect was who could only be more perfect if he were dead
  • he lied spectacularly about cartoons painted on the campervan which was of interest to the investigation
  • he lied about the appearance of the prime suspect in a case which had been classed as a murder enquiry
I really don't think one could encounter a more toe curling individual than that one unless Brueckner is taken out of the equation.

Do you know, the only thing that bothers me about Deleting Insults is that most people don't get to see them, if I get there quick enough.  For the good of The Forum, obviously.

Perhaps I should make more use of The Warning Points.  I might well give that some thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 11, 2021, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 10:10:01 AM
You mean the observation that the case seems to have proved emotionally draining? An involuntary feeling of scorn or disgust at the mention of Amaral strikes me as something of an overreaction too. I expect it is draining to be so emotionally involved.

In my opinion Amaral and Wolters share one trait; a conviction that their understanding of this case is the correct one.

But we know as a fact Amaral's understanding was poor.. And we know what hr baded his theory on.. Fallacy after fallacy... We cant simply assume Wolters is incompetent..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 11, 2021, 11:42:43 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 11, 2021, 11:30:58 AM
But we know as a fact Amaral's understanding was poor.. And we know what hr baded his theory on.. Fallacy after fallacy... We cant simply assume Wolters is incompetent..

Amaral had two very ordinary Doctors.  Wolters has a Paedophile and Rapist. 

Amaral was up to his eyeballs in serious debt, some of which was decidedly suspicious.  While Wolters has nothing against him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 11, 2021, 11:51:16 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 11, 2021, 11:42:43 AM
Amaral had two very ordinary Doctors.  Wolters has a Paedophile and Rapist. 

Amaral was up to his eyeballs in serious debt, some of which was decidedly suspicious.  While Wolters has nothing against him.

It does make you question why he (Amaral) chose to write a book about one of his failures, rather than all the investigations which had been successfully concluded, in order to "restore his reputation". We should perhaps also bear in mind that Amaral was not the only PJ/ex-PJ officer being indicted on 4/5/07 in the Cipriano torture case and Madeleine's disappearance was certainly a convenient deflection for them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 11:53:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 11, 2021, 11:30:58 AM
But we know as a fact Amaral's understanding was poor.. And we know what hr baded his theory on.. Fallacy after fallacy... We cant simply assume Wolters is incompetent..

Amaral based his theory upon the evidence in the PJ Files. We don't know what Wolters has based his theory on but he has made it plain what he thinks. Some may think a prosecutor sharing his beliefs with the world's media is competent. I don't agree with that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 11, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/06/07/exclusive-over-1000-tips-on-maddie-case-which-could-be-solved-by-end-of-the-year/

I can't copy & paste the content but the article is worth a read. Wolters has stated that there should be a conclusion to the Behan rape case within a few months.
The Irish media have reported that BKA are determined to charge him re. this crime. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/irish-woman-suspected-been-raped-24285940
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 10:10:01 AM
You mean the observation that the case seems to have proved emotionally draining? An involuntary feeling of scorn or disgust at the mention of Amaral strikes me as something of an overreaction too. I expect it is draining to be so emotionally involved.

In my opinion Amaral and Wolters share one trait; a conviction that their understanding of this case is the correct one.
No, I mean the accusation that Brietta was "damaged", since removed by John, and points awarded - you must have "missed" it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2021, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: misty on June 11, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/06/07/exclusive-over-1000-tips-on-maddie-case-which-could-be-solved-by-end-of-the-year/

I can't copy & paste the content but the article is worth a read. Wolters has stated that there should be a conclusion to the Behan rape case within a few months.
The Irish media have reported that BKA are determined to charge him re. this crime. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/irish-woman-suspected-been-raped-24285940

A thousand new tips in the Madeleine case, by that reasoning there's either a thousand people who were in and around Luz on the 3/0/2007 or he (CB) is known to a thousand people, its nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2021, 12:11:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
No, I mean the accusation that Brietta was "damaged", since removed by John, and points awarded - you must have "missed" it.

Yeah, laudable isn't it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 11:53:13 AM
Amaral based his theory upon the evidence in the PJ Files. We don't know what Wolters has based his theory on but he has made it plain what he thinks. Some may think a prosecutor sharing his beliefs with the world's media is competent. I don't agree with that.

Amaral was the co-ordinator of the case between May until he was sacked from it in September of the same year.  Unfortunately not before he had caused irreparable damage while on the ground.

His book was based on his files and the interim report filed by Tavares who was later found guilty of torture.
His theory and the interim report were a work in progress.  I think where the duplicity arises right from the start is in confusing unfinished business with where the files ended, the Portuguese having taken Madeleine's case as far as they were prepared to go.

He certainly did not base anything but error on the FSS reports as recorded in the files or on the PJ assessment of the value of the dogs' intervention.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 11, 2021, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: misty on June 11, 2021, 11:51:16 AM
It does make you question why he (Amaral) chose to write a book about one of his failures, rather than all those which had been successfully concluded, in order to "restore his reputation". We should perhaps also bear in mind that Amaral was not the only PJ/ex-PJ officer being indicted on 4/5/07 in the Cipriano torture case and Madeleine's disappearance was certainly a convenient deflection for them.

This worries me somewhat, although there is nothing that I can do about it.

When Madeleine was first reported missing we didn't know anything about what Amaral had been up to with his mistresses or his vast debts and so we were hog tied.  We were defending a family that we believed were innocent as there was nothing to say otherwise.

Now, of course, we have a bit more to go on.  But this legend was already written.

I can only hope that Amaral was just a stupid man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 11, 2021, 12:37:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 11, 2021, 11:53:13 AM
Amaral based his theory upon the evidence in the PJ Files. We don't know what Wolters has based his theory on but he has made it plain what he thinks. Some may think a prosecutor sharing his beliefs with the world's media is competent. I don't agree with that.

So therefor you must think that Amaral was incompetent.  You don't half set yourself up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2021, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: misty on June 11, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/06/07/exclusive-over-1000-tips-on-maddie-case-which-could-be-solved-by-end-of-the-year/

I can't copy & paste the content but the article is worth a read. Wolters has stated that there should be a conclusion to the Behan rape case within a few months.
The Irish media have reported that BKA are determined to charge him re. this crime. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/irish-woman-suspected-been-raped-24285940

There is a report that Brueckner had a blonde companion with him when he startled the children in the playground.


Snip
The officer called for back-up before asking Brueckner how he had arrived at the festival.

He first told the policewoman that he had arrived by car, but later changed his story after she asked where the vehicle was.

It came as witnesses claimed the man he was with fled the scene as the drama unfolded.

"They described him as having a similar appearance to Brueckner, measuring the same height with blonde hair.

It is believed he may have taken off in the vehicle.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/08/22/paedos-in-crime-mystery-man-may-have-abused-children-alongside-prime-maddie-mccann-suspect/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2021, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 11, 2021, 12:10:11 PM
A thousand new tips in the Madeleine case, by that reasoning there's either a thousand people who were in and around Luz on the 3/0/2007 or he (CB) is known to a thousand people, its nonsense.
A post untroubled by anything resembling a logical thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 11, 2021, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2021, 01:29:06 PM
A post untroubled by anything resembling a logical thought.

Its the company I keep.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2021, 01:38:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 11, 2021, 01:35:15 PM
Its the company I keep.
The police have received 1000 tips from the general public in the last year but that does not mean CB knew 1000 different people and each of them has come forward with one piece of information or that all the tips came from 1000 different people who were in Luz on May 3rd 2007, but perhaps you are unable to understand that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2021, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: misty on June 11, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/06/07/exclusive-over-1000-tips-on-maddie-case-which-could-be-solved-by-end-of-the-year/

I can't copy & paste the content but the article is worth a read. Wolters has stated that there should be a conclusion to the Behan rape case within a few months.
The Irish media have reported that BKA are determined to charge him re. this crime. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/irish-woman-suspected-been-raped-24285940

There can be no doubt that the Germans have a lot of investigative material to work their way through and can justify the deployment of personnel to do it.

They are determined to get to the bottom of Madeleine's case and the others they have taken on; no wonder they are taking their time to work their way carefully through it all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 12, 2021, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2021, 01:38:07 PM
The police have received 1000 tips from the general public in the last year but that does not mean CB knew 1000 different people and each of them has come forward with one piece of information or that all the tips came from 1000 different people who were in Luz on May 3rd 2007, but perhaps you are unable to understand that.

Its a strange one, people go to the cinema, watch the goggle box with Superman flying, Vader in a galaxy far far away, dinosaurs eating people  etc, murder and mayhem a plenty  as realistic as real life , yet never question what's in the news.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 12, 2021, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2021, 10:17:38 AM
Its a strange one, people go to the cinema, watch the goggle box with Superman flying, Vader in a galaxy far far away, dinosaurs eating people  etc, murder and mayhem a plenty  as realistic as real life , yet never question what's in the news.
Yup, I never question anything that's in the news, it's all absolutely real, factual and honest.

Is that what you think I think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 12, 2021, 11:09:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 12, 2021, 10:17:38 AM
Its a strange one, people go to the cinema, watch the goggle box with Superman flying, Vader in a galaxy far far away, dinosaurs eating people  etc, murder and mayhem a plenty  as realistic as real life , yet never question what's in the news.

I think people believe what they want to believe.

In 2007 four people told the media that they learned from the McCanns that the shutters of apartment 5A had been broken, smashed or jemmied.

Strangely, some of those who support the McCann couple then spent years casting doubt on the stories of those four people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 12, 2021, 11:30:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 12, 2021, 11:09:56 PM
I think people believe what they want to believe.

In 2007 four people told the media that they learned from the McCanns that the shutters of apartment 5A had been broken, smashed or jemmied.

Strangely, some of those who support the McCann couple then spent years casting doubt on the stories of those four people.

Is there any possibility of you providing a cite from someone who was close to these broken - smashed - or jemmied shutters on the night that Madeleine vanished.

You know what I mean - an eye witness - not a distraught woman hundreds of miles removed relaying a message from a distraught man in the worst circumstances it is possible to imagine.

What's this thing with "the McCann couple".  Is that normal parlance for you or something picked up from somewhere else.
Just a rhetorical question so dinna fash yourself with it ~ merely an intrigued passing thought 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 13, 2021, 12:18:57 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 12, 2021, 11:30:50 PM
Is there any possibility of you providing a cite from someone who was close to these broken - smashed - or jemmied shutters on the night that Madeleine vanished.

You know what I mean - an eye witness - not a distraught woman hundreds of miles removed relaying a message from a distraught man in the worst circumstances it is possible to imagine.

What's this thing with "the McCann couple".  Is that normal parlance for you or something picked up from somewhere else.
Just a rhetorical question so dinna fash yourself with it ~ merely an intrigued passing thought 😁

If it was only one witness then your explanation might float but several unconnected witnesses saying that they were told the same thing…that’s beyond coincidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 02:25:54 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 12, 2021, 11:30:50 PM
Is there any possibility of you providing a cite from someone who was close to these broken - smashed - or jemmied shutters on the night that Madeleine vanished.

You know what I mean - an eye witness - not a distraught woman hundreds of miles removed relaying a message from a distraught man in the worst circumstances it is possible to imagine.

What's this thing with "the McCann couple".  Is that normal parlance for you or something picked up from somewhere else.
Just a rhetorical question so dinna fash yourself with it ~ merely an intrigued passing thought 😁

As I said, people believe what they want to believe and are quite happy to cast doubt on the words or understanding of those they don't want to believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 02:45:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 02:25:54 AM
As I said, people believe what they want to believe and are quite happy to cast doubt on the words or understanding of those they don't want to believe.

Right back at ya.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 12, 2021, 11:09:56 PM
I think people believe what they want to believe.

In 2007 four people told the media that they learned from the McCanns that the shutters of apartment 5A had been broken, smashed or jemmied.

Strangely, some of those who support the McCann couple then spent years casting doubt on the stories of those four people.
What ARE you on about?  Which 4 people?  I don’t doubt for a minute that panic and confusion of that night led to some confusion or misunderstanding in the minds of both those telling the news and those repeating it back to others - that is quite normal and understandable.  You clearly choose however to believe it’s suspicious.  “I think people believe what they want to believe”, well yes, that certainly includes yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 12:06:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2021, 07:23:34 AM
What ARE you on about?  Which 4 people?  I don’t doubt for a minute that panic and confusion of that night led to some confusion or misunderstanding in the minds of both those telling the news and those repeating it back to others - that is quite normal and understandable.  You clearly choose however to believe it’s suspicious.  “I think people believe what they want to believe”, well yes, that certainly includes yourself.

I believe Patricia Cameron, Brian Healy, Jill Renwick and Jon Corner were quite capable of hearing and repeating what they were told. Why others don't believe that escapes me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2021, 12:11:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 12:06:50 PM
I believe Patricia Cameron, Brian Healy, Jill Renwick and Jon Corner were quite capable of hearing and repeating what they were told. Why others don't believe that escapes me.

Ypu need to take off your blinkers....then you might understand others point if view. Gerry never lied about jemmied shutters... He thought they were security shutters so couldnt be opened from the outside but had to be forced.

It really is that simple. Imo it really is a joke tjat some see this as evidence... But I do understand why they do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 12:06:50 PM
I believe Patricia Cameron, Brian Healy, Jill Renwick and Jon Corner were quite capable of hearing and repeating what they were told. Why others don't believe that escapes me.

Anything related to logic seems to escape you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 12:20:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 12:06:50 PM
I believe Patricia Cameron, Brian Healy, Jill Renwick and Jon Corner were quite capable of hearing and repeating what they were told. Why others don't believe that escapes me.
Do you believe it's possible that whoever told them the shutters had been "jemmied" might initially have thought they were forced open?  Or is that simply not possible in your view?  If not, why not?  If it was a deliberate attempt to mislead re: the shutters (something easily refuted) to what end?  Why did the deception not stretch to ACTUALLY breaking the shutters instead of only talking about it to 4 people back in Britain who would have absolutely no bearing on events in PdL? 
I won't hold my breath for anything resembling a straight answer to any of these questions...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2021, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 12:06:50 PM
I believe Patricia Cameron, Brian Healy, Jill Renwick and Jon Corner were quite capable of hearing and repeating what they were told. Why others don't believe that escapes me.

Thats the difference between us. I completely understand why some believe Maddie died in an accident.. The Dunning Kruger effect for one reason. Im sure amaral sincerely believes the McCanns are guilty.. And once again I understand why
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2021, 12:20:05 PM
Do you believe it's possible that whoever told them the shutters had been "jemmied" might initially have thought they were forced open?  Or is that simply not possible in your view?  If not, why not?  If it was a deliberate attempt to mislead re: the shutters (something easily refuted) to what end?  Why did the deception not stretch to ACTUALLY breaking the shutters instead of only talking about it to 4 people back in Britain who would have absolutely no bearing on events in PdL? 
I won't hold my breath for anything resembling a straight answer to any of these questions...

Too logical by half.  G Unit doesn't do Logic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 12:54:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2021, 12:20:05 PM
Do you believe it's possible that whoever told them the shutters had been "jemmied" might initially have thought they were forced open? Or is that simply not possible in your view?  If not, why not?  If it was a deliberate attempt to mislead re: the shutters (something easily refuted) to what end?  Why did the deception not stretch to ACTUALLY breaking the shutters instead of only talking about it to 4 people back in Britain who would have absolutely no bearing on events in PdL? 
I won't hold my breath for anything resembling a straight answer to any of these questions...

So you do believe it was said?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 01:03:27 PM
Jemmied is a Glaswegian word for broken into and not necessarily with a jemmy.  Presuming that you know what a jemmy is.

Perhaps you all didn't know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 01:05:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 12:54:55 PM
So you do believe it was said?
Firstly - you didn't answer any of my questions.  Secondly, why do you expect me to answer yours?  Thirdly, yes I believe he could have said it, or words to that effect. Fourthly, I really don;t think it's remotely important what he actually said, why do you place such importance on it?

More questions for you to ignore.  At least I always answer yours, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2021, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 12:54:55 PM
So you do believe it was said?

I dint see it as being of any importance whatsoever.. Ive explained why he might have said it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 01:03:27 PM
Jemmied is a Glaswegian word for broken into and not necessarily with a jemmy.  Presuming that you know what a jemmy is.

Perhaps you all didn't know that.

Jemmied is a British English word meaning 'to prise (something) open with a jemmy'. A jemmy is 'a short steel crowbar used, esp by burglars, for forcing doors and windows'

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 02:07:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
Jemmied is a British English word meaning 'to prise (something) open with a jemmy'. A jemmy is 'a short steel crowbar used, esp by burglars, for forcing doors and windows'

You don't know much about Glaswegians either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 02:16:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 02:07:33 PM
You don't know much about Glaswegians either.

Knowing a lot about Glaswegians isn't necessary when it comes to discovering the origins and meanings of words.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 02:16:51 PM
Knowing a lot about Glaswegians isn't necessary when it comes to discovering the origins and meanings of words.

Nuances are often more important.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 02:26:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
Jemmied is a British English word meaning 'to prise (something) open with a jemmy'. A jemmy is 'a short steel crowbar used, esp by burglars, for forcing doors and windows'
And this is vital importance because....?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2021, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
Jemmied is a British English word meaning 'to prise (something) open with a jemmy'. A jemmy is 'a short steel crowbar used, esp by burglars, for forcing doors and windows'

Do you think detectives use a dictionary to check the precise meaning of words or do you think they have enough sense to realise words have a range of meanings deoendant on the context
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 13, 2021, 02:30:57 PM
Do you think detectives use a dictionary to check the precise meaning of words or do you think they have enough sense to realise words have a range of meanings deoendant on the context
I reckon Gerry should have been arrested for phoning the folks back home and saying  the shutter was jemmied.  It's criminal behaviour pure and simple.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 02:20:03 PM
Nuances are often more important.

The 'nuance' picked up and repeated by four people contacted during the night 3/4 May 2007 was that someone had entered 5A after breaking the shutters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2021, 04:29:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 04:17:21 PM
The 'nuance' picked up and repeated by four people contacted during the night 3/4 May 2007 was that someone had entered 5A after breaking the shutters.

I think its totally possible that someone entered the apt by raising the shutters from the outside.. As I recall from the MS podcasts amaral thougt the shutters could not be opened from the outside... So quite reasonable to think they had been forced or jemmied..

This is the sort of so-called evidence that hasled people to hate the McCanns.. Absolutely pathetic really
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 04:17:21 PM
The 'nuance' picked up and repeated by four people contacted during the night 3/4 May 2007 was that someone had entered 5A after breaking the shutters.
Were the shutters designed to be opened from the outside?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 13, 2021, 04:42:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 04:17:21 PM
The 'nuance' picked up and repeated by four people contacted during the night 3/4 May 2007 was that someone had entered 5A after breaking the shutters.

The first false trail - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 04:45:35 PM
 (&^&
Quote from: jassi on June 13, 2021, 04:42:16 PM
The first false trail - IMO
@)(++(*  You lot really crack me up.  Still going on about the jemmied shutters as if it was still 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 13, 2021, 04:29:50 PM
I think its totally possible that someone entered the apt by raising the shutters from the outside.. As I recall from the MS podcasts amaral thougt the shutters could not be opened from the outside... So quite reasonable to think they had been forced or jemmied..

This is the sort of so-called evidence that hasled people to hate the McCanns.. Absolutely pathetic really

Shortly after 10pm, before any phone calls were made, Gerry McCann discovered that the shutters a) were not damaged and b) could be raised from outside.

In the children’s room, Gerry lowered the shutter at the open window. Rushing outside, he made the sickening discovery that it could be raised from this side, too, not just from inside as we’d thought.
[madeleine page 81]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 13, 2021, 04:50:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Shortly after 10pm, before any phone calls were made, Gerry McCann discovered that the shutters a) were not damaged and b) could be raised from outside.

In the children’s room, Gerry lowered the shutter at the open window. Rushing outside, he made the sickening discovery that it could be raised from this side, too, not just from inside as we’d thought.
[madeleine page 81]

Pathetic... You are convinved this is evidence thst supports their involvements. Its laughable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 13, 2021, 04:42:16 PM
The first false trail - IMO
Surely the first false trail was “they’ve taken her”, no?  Or perhaps the first false trail was when they went to dinner at 8.30 pm pretending everything in the garden was a-ok?  Or maybe it was when they ckecked the fake Madeleine into the kids club earlier that day, eh? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 13, 2021, 04:50:28 PM
Pathetic... You are convinved this is evidence thst supports their involvements. Its laughable
It’s a very well documented attribute of conspiracy theorists that they latch on to insignificant minutiae like this and build on it to try and make their point, refusing to see the bigger picture but preferring to focus on unimportant details like this.  I’ve seen it from Holocaust deniers and Young Earth Creationists and Anti Vaxxers  too and it’s utterly transparent and embarrassingly laughable IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 13, 2021, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 01:03:27 PM
Jemmied is a Glaswegian word for broken into and not necessarily with a jemmy.  Presuming that you know what a jemmy is.

Perhaps you all didn't know that.

Not correct. Jemmied implies an instrument…a ‘jemmy’ or crowbar was used.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
I tthought Jemmy was a boys’ name in Scotland as in
“see you Jemmy!” said with a threatening Scottish accent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
I tthought Jemmy was a boys’ name in Scotland as in
“see you Jemmy!” said with a threatening Scottish accent

I thought it was "see you Jimmy!" as invented by Russ Abbot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 08:27:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
I tthought Jemmy was a boys’ name in Scotland as in
“see you Jemmy!” said with a threatening Scottish accent

I nearly said that, but it was a bit too pathetic even for me.  Sorry, no offence intended.

But when all else fails and in the absence  of any proof whatsoever ever then The McCanns killed their daughter, by accident or otherwise, although we cannot be sure quite when or for why.

This is now very sick and this Forum might just as well be an off shoot of The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann.

What the f..k happened?

Me?  I go on fighting despite getting very fed up sometimes.  But I really don't want to be as unpleasant as I sometimes am.

And there is a bit too much of Libel going on here.  Mainly from another Moderator which I can't do anything about.  Or at least I think I can't.  But don't push me too far.  I am really not nice when I have had enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 08:22:32 PM
I thought it was "see you Jimmy!" as invented by Russ Abbot.
Erm, yes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 08:27:39 PM
I nearly said that, but it was a bit too pathetic even for me.  Sorry, no offence intended.

But when all else fails and in the absence  of any proof whatsoever ever then The McCanns killed their daughter, by accident or otherwise, although we cannot be sure quite when or for why.

This is now very sick and this Forum might just as well be an off shoot of The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann.

What the f..k happened?

Me?  I go on fighting despite getting very fed up sometimes.  But I really don't want to be as unpleasant as I sometimes am.

And there is a bit too much of Libel going on here.  Mainly from another Moderator which I can't do anything about.  Or at least I think I can't.  But don't push me too far.  I am really not nice when I have had enough.
Sorry for being pathetic but I think this discussion is pathetic so I was only trying to fit in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2021, 09:07:09 PM
Sorry for being pathetic but I think this discussion is pathetic so I was only trying to fit in.

I didn't think that you were being pathetic.  I lived and worked in Glasgow and so I know a bit more about these people.  See you Jemmy was actually quite funny.  But better from you than from me.

There is a limit to how crass I can afford to be.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 13, 2021, 09:31:44 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 08:27:39 PM
I nearly said that, but it was a bit too pathetic even for me.  Sorry, no offence intended.

But when all else fails and in the absence  of any proof whatsoever ever then The McCanns killed their daughter, by accident or otherwise, although we cannot be sure quite when or for why.

This is now very sick and this Forum might just as well be an off shoot of The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann.

What the f..k happened?

Me?  I go on fighting despite getting very fed up sometimes.  But I really don't want to be as unpleasant as I sometimes am.

And there is a bit too much of Libel going on here.  Mainly from another Moderator which I can't do anything about.  Or at least I think I can't.  But don't push me too far.  I am really not nice when I have had enough.

I think there’s just a general air of unpleasantness about this particular forum now and a fair bit of ganging up.

As you know I don’t mind a bit of rough and tumble but what I’m seeing on here now goes beyond that. What happened to attack the post not the poster?

It really is rather sickening.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 13, 2021, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on June 13, 2021, 09:31:44 PM
I think there’s just a general air of unpleasantness about this particular forum now and a fair bit of ganging up.

As you know I don’t mind a bit of rough and tumble but what I’m seeing on here now goes beyond that. What happened to attack the post not the poster?

It really is rather sickening.
I do remember you frequently mocking others (myself included) on this forum over the years so you really are in no position to come over all morally superior now madam.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on June 13, 2021, 09:31:44 PM
I think there’s just a general air of unpleasantness about this particular forum now and a fair bit of ganging up.

As you know I don’t mind a bit of rough and tumble but what I’m seeing on here now goes beyond that. What happened to attack the post not the poster?

It really is rather sickening.

Thank you for that.  But we are all guilty of this.

Attacking the post but not the poster is nigh on impossible to achieve so I don't know who dreamed that one up.  A bunch of nonsense at best.

I honestly don't know what to do anymore beyond defending The McCanns, although I don't know them or even know if I would like them.  But  presumption of innocence has to be paramount.  The rest is by the by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 14, 2021, 12:27:16 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 13, 2021, 08:27:39 PM
I nearly said that, but it was a bit too pathetic even for me.  Sorry, no offence intended.

But when all else fails and in the absence  of any proof whatsoever ever then The McCanns killed their daughter, by accident or otherwise, although we cannot be sure quite when or for why.

This is now very sick and this Forum might just as well be an off shoot of The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann.

What the f..k happened?

Me?  I go on fighting despite getting very fed up sometimes.  But I really don't want to be as unpleasant as I sometimes am.

And there is a bit too much of Libel going on here.  Mainly from another Moderator which I can't do anything about.  Or at least I think I can't.  But don't push me too far.  I am really not nice when I have had enough.

Moderators must not...

2. Criticise or verbally attack other moderators, editors or admins.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8828.0
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 14, 2021, 07:13:06 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on June 13, 2021, 06:47:29 PM
Not correct. Jemmied implies an instrument…a ‘jemmy’ or crowbar was used.

Words can mean different things to people from different areas. For example,

Verb

jemmy (third-person singular simple present jemmies, present participle jemmying, simple past and past participle jemmied)

    To shoehorn, to cram.

        two thousand people jemmied into a stadium built for fifteen hundred

    Alternative spelling of jimmy (open with a crowbar).
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jemmy

Even if he did mean it in the sense of being forced with a crowbar, in the panic and darkness, that may simply be what he initially assumed. So what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2021, 07:16:24 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 14, 2021, 07:13:06 AM
Words can mean different things to people from different areas. For example,

Verb

jemmy (third-person singular simple present jemmies, present participle jemmying, simple past and past participle jemmied)

    To shoehorn, to cram.

        two thousand people jemmied into a stadium built for fifteen hundred

    Alternative spelling of jimmy (open with a crowbar).
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jemmy

Even if he did mean it in the sense of being forced with a crowbar, in the panic and darkness, that may simply be what he initially assumed. So what?
So what exactly.  Don’t expect a straight answer to your question though....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 14, 2021, 01:41:27 PM
Brueckner Bites Back...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9684229/German-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-speaks-time.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9684229/German-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-speaks-time.html)

https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/fall-maddie-mccann-verdaechtiger-fordert-ruecktritt-von-staatsanwalt-76731002.bild.html#remId=1698363453508413119 (https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/fall-maddie-mccann-verdaechtiger-fordert-ruecktritt-von-staatsanwalt-76731002.bild.html#remId=1698363453508413119)

Braunschweig - It has been known for more than a year that the Braunschweig public prosecutor believes Christian B. (44) to be the killer of little Maddie McCann (then 3). So far, the convicted child molester has not been questioned. Now he speaks up himself - with his full name, as Christian Brückner!

In a bizarre press release that Christian Brückner sent out of jail, he protests his innocence - and calls on the investigating prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters to resign! “Charging an accused is one thing. Something completely different, namely an unbelievable scandal, when a public prosecutor starts a public prejudgment campaign before the main proceedings are opened, ”Brückner complains in the handwritten letter, which he headed“ Christian Brückner's press release ”. Maddie McCann case: suspect calls for prosecutor to resign'

On a DIN A4 page, he ranted about freedom of expression and then asked the senior public prosecutors to resign. Reason: "You both prove worldwide, through arbitrary convictions in the past and through scandalous prejudgment campaigns in the present, that you are unsuitable for the office of an 'advocate for the honest and trusting German people" and that you bring shame to the German legal system ."

Even crazier: The letter is accompanied by a drawing, apparently made by Christian Brückner himself. It shows the public prosecutors Wolters and Ute Lindemann ordering “Filet Forensik” while they are eating in a restaurant. Apparently a reference to the fact that the investigators admit that they have no forensic evidence to prove Brückner's guilt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2021, 01:47:22 PM
Reckon his letter will go down very well with his fan club.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 01:48:42 PM

Indeed, trolling the prosecutor.

That's fantastic. Now I like him even more.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2021, 02:00:23 PM
Predictable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 02:07:20 PM
I'll be interested to see how Wolters responds.
Maybe he'll counter by releasing a snippet from all that definitive evidence he doesn't have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2021, 02:11:17 PM
If HCW has any sense he will remember that old adage "Don't Feed The Trolls".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2021, 02:16:51 PM
Knowing a lot about Glaswegians isn't necessary when it comes to discovering the origins and meanings of words.

"Jemmied is a British English word meaning 'to prise (something) open with a jemmy'. A jemmy is 'a short steel crowbar used, esp by burglars, for forcing doors and windows'"


That is the absolute correct use of the word. In Glaswegian speak.  You also use a jemmy to break smaller padlocks. I know this because I lost a key for one and  the  stable manager got one used it. He called it a Jemmie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 02:23:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2021, 02:11:17 PM
If HCW has any sense he will remember that old adage "Don't Feed The Trolls".

I'll be surprised if there is no response.
Wolters has just had his pants pulled down in full view of the public.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 02:32:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2021, 02:33:43 PM
I reckon Gerry should have been arrested for phoning the folks back home and saying  the shutter was jemmied.  It's criminal behaviour pure and simple.

I agree Davel, they should all have been arrested that night and questioned separately, and Gerry should have explained how he knew the shutter had been jemmied, as the police found no evidence of forced entry.

The observations were by many that the PJ were told to placate the parents and believe them and not bother too much on the child who was missing and the parents, last people to see her as she was left alone. Shocking behavior by ALL involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 13, 2021, 04:42:16 PM
The first false trail - IMO

It looked good on TV though.. scarie man jemmied the shutters and stole child, who were being well cared for by a fail safe system of 'checking' checking as in listening at door which isn't quite the same as  properly 'checking'.
They slagged off the police instantly and never felt the least bit responsible.

Re the checking: the ONE NIGHT more checking was done than normal and the child goes missing...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 02:32:29 PM
I agree Davel, they should all have been arrested that night and questioned separately, and Gerry should have explained how he knew the shutter had been jemmied, as the police found no evidence of forced entry.

The observations were by many that the PJ were told to placate the parents and believe them and not bother too much on the child who was missing and the parents, last people to see her as she was left alone. Shocking behavior by ALL involved.
My name's not Davel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 02:49:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
My name's not Davel.


I sent a nice reply but it was deleted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2021, 02:52:50 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 02:37:35 PM
It looked good on TV though.. scarie man jemmied the shutters and stole child, who were being well cared for by a fail safe system of 'checking' checking as in listening at door which isn't quite the same as  properly 'checking'.
They slagged off the police instantly and never felt the least bit responsible.

Re the checking: the ONE NIGHT more checking was done than normal and the child goes missing...

Do you think it "looked good on TV".
Wonder why this master criminal didn't actually jemmy the window to make it even better 👀
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2021, 02:53:23 PM
REMINDER
This thread is neither a continuation of the McCann hatefest - or a riveting discussion about a fictional jemmy - it is however it is one which features a real criminal.
Stick to posting in that vein or expect to have your posts deleted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2021, 03:07:57 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 14, 2021, 01:41:27 PM
Brueckner Bites Back...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9684229/German-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-speaks-time.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9684229/German-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-speaks-time.html)

https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/fall-maddie-mccann-verdaechtiger-fordert-ruecktritt-von-staatsanwalt-76731002.bild.html#remId=1698363453508413119 (https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/fall-maddie-mccann-verdaechtiger-fordert-ruecktritt-von-staatsanwalt-76731002.bild.html#remId=1698363453508413119)

Braunschweig - It has been known for more than a year that the Braunschweig public prosecutor believes Christian B. (44) to be the killer of little Maddie McCann (then 3). So far, the convicted child molester has not been questioned. Now he speaks up himself - with his full name, as Christian Brückner!

In a bizarre press release that Christian Brückner sent out of jail, he protests his innocence - and calls on the investigating prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters to resign! “Charging an accused is one thing. Something completely different, namely an unbelievable scandal, when a public prosecutor starts a public prejudgment campaign before the main proceedings are opened, ”Brückner complains in the handwritten letter, which he headed“ Christian Brückner's press release ”. Maddie McCann case: suspect calls for prosecutor to resign'

On a DIN A4 page, he ranted about freedom of expression and then asked the senior public prosecutors to resign. Reason: "You both prove worldwide, through arbitrary convictions in the past and through scandalous prejudgment campaigns in the present, that you are unsuitable for the office of an 'advocate for the honest and trusting German people" and that you bring shame to the German legal system ."

Even crazier: The letter is accompanied by a drawing, apparently made by Christian Brückner himself. It shows the public prosecutors Wolters and Ute Lindemann ordering “Filet Forensik” while they are eating in a restaurant. Apparently a reference to the fact that the investigators admit that they have no forensic evidence to prove Brückner's guilt.

If this is a "message" for publication as a press release from Brueckner ~ did his lawyers know about beforehand?
Somehow I would doubt that or that it would meet with their approval.

Two points I take from the communication -
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2021, 02:52:50 PM
Do you think it "looked good on TV".
Wonder why this master criminal didn't actually jemmy the window to make it even better 👀

Wonder no longer, he isn't as smart as he hopes people thinks he is.  'Like siting in the garden' ? How many people in Liverpool and Glasgow or His home town have swimming pools in their garden or a open road to cross to get to check their children's bedrooms?

Oh Come on already.


Breukner  is  presumed innocent?  what you don't believe him. hmm Breukner hate fest  to be stitched up?
 The creature is an abomination and should hang for ALL his offences- well only the ones he is convicted of  or we wouldn't have justice would we?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 14, 2021, 03:51:45 PM
I don't suppose a bit of international publicity will do Brueckner any harm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 14, 2021, 04:27:13 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 02:32:29 PM
I agree Davel, they should all have been arrested that night and questioned separately, and Gerry should have explained how he knew the shutter had been jemmied, as the police found no evidence of forced entry.

The observations were by many that the PJ were told to placate the parents and believe them and not bother too much on the child who was missing and the parents, last people to see her as she was left alone. Shocking behavior by ALL involved.

Fortunately the police need a certain level of evidence to srrest a suspect.. They cant simply arrest who they feel like
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 04:28:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 14, 2021, 03:51:45 PM
I don't suppose a bit of international publicity will do Brueckner any harm.

I had my posts deleted and I am being watched whoohoo, I will copy and paste this one as the last one disappeared.

My Post was deleted because I asked was it right that The creature called Bruekner should not be afforded Presumed innocent, you know like them McCanns, but anyway I did say I would wholly agree if that Abomination  of a cretin known as Bruekner was hanged for all the crimes he had committed AND WAS CONVICED OF  otherwise it wouldn't be justice, why hang him for MBM's death- which her family say isn't true anyway- how would they know? IF it wasn't him. what is the point in hanging the wrong person IF you claim to believe injustice. And not just to get the T9 off the hook and close the book.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 14, 2021, 04:27:13 PM
Fortunately the police need a certain level of evidence to srrest a suspect.. They cant simply arrest who they feel like

Indeed. But they could have taken them all ion for questioning. and why has Bruekner NOT been charged with all the evidence they have, why not pass it onto the PJ and OG?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 14, 2021, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 04:30:53 PM
Indeed. But they could have taken them all ion for questioning. and why has Bruekner NOT been charged with all the evidence they have, why not pass it onto the PJ and OG?

There are very good reasons why CB has not yet been charged... You seemed to have missed the explanation.

Ss I understand they were all questioned the following day...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 14, 2021, 04:33:16 PM
There are very good reasons why CB has not yet been charged... You seemed to have missed the explanation.

Ss I understand they were all questioned the following day...

There can't be much of an explanation if he isn't being charged. IMO 

The T9 had plenty time to 'chat' and get their versions of stories sorted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 14, 2021, 04:45:06 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 04:39:18 PM
There can't be much of an explanation if he isn't being charged. IMO 

The T9 had plenty time to 'chat' and get their versions of stories sorted.

Wolters has explained why he hasnt sharged CB yet and its perfectly logical... If you haven't been following the vase then you wont understand.. Think disclosure and double jeopardy to start with
I dont see the tapas had any need to get their storries straight ad its crystal vlear to me thry are not involved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 04:51:24 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2021, 03:07:57 PM
If this is a "message" for publication as a press release from Brueckner ~ did his lawyers know about beforehand?
Somehow I would doubt that or that it would meet with their approval.

Two points I take from the communication -
  • he is unsettled and restless - the wait is obviously getting to him
  • his cartoon featuring Italy goading the prosecutors, is it a cryptic message -  he was arrested in Italy and extradited to Germany so Italy perhaps means something to him that he wants to crow about

Poor you, still labouring under the delusion that Brueckner abducted Maddie.

One question, What evidence is there Brueckner abducted Maddie?

Wait, that might be a bit complex, let's make it easier.

What evidence is there paedophiles abducted Maddie?.....oh, wait, nothing there either.

Let's get right back to the beginning.

What evidence is there Maddie was actually abducted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 14, 2021, 04:45:06 PM
Wolters has explained why he hasnt sharged CB yet and its perfectly logical... If you haven't been following the vase then you wont understand.. Think disclosure and double jeopardy to start with
I dont see the tapas had any need to get their storries straight ad its crystal vlear to me thry are not involved

Wolfers is  making claims he can't provide enough evidence for conviction. Talking isn't good enough evidence, excuses are not reasons. So I don't see the need to pay the man any attention until he really does arrest him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 14, 2021, 04:55:13 PM
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2021, 04:53:38 PM
Wolfers is making claims he can't provide enough evidence for conviction. Talking isn't good enough evidence, excuses are not reasons. So I don't see the need to pay the man any attention until he really does arrest him.

Then dont pay him any attention as you are doing... Job done
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2021, 05:17:18 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 14, 2021, 03:51:45 PM
I don't suppose a bit of international publicity will do Brueckner any harm.
He’s already had bucketloads of that in the last 12 months, none of it exactly reputation enhancing!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2021, 05:17:18 PM
He’s already had bucketloads of that in the last 12 months, none of it exactly reputation enhancing!

Well I like him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2021, 05:20:12 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 05:18:20 PM
Well I like him.
What specifically do you like about him?  His cute little butt turn you on is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 05:28:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2021, 05:20:12 PM
What specifically do you like about him?  His cute little butt turn you on is it?

The fact that McCann supporters don't like him.

I am therefore obliged to like him.

I should probably feel ashamed for supporting a rapist & paedophile & believe me there have been times I've questioned myself, but not for long, because I completely refuse to agree with McCann supporters on any given subject & that's a firm moral commitment I've made & I'm sticking to it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2021, 05:29:42 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 05:28:23 PM
The fact that McCann supporters don't like him.

I am therefore obliged to like him.

I should probably feel ashamed for supporting a rapist & paedophile & believe me there have been times I've questioned myself, but not for long, because I completely refuse to agree with McCann supporters on any given subject & that's a firm moral commitment I've made & I'm sticking to it.
What a child you are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 05:57:50 PM


I think we can put Wolters photographic evidence firmly to bed.

As if Brueckner is going to taunt Wolters whilst knowing full well he's recovered those incriminating paedo/murder holiday snaps from his dog's carcass.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 14, 2021, 06:27:02 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 05:57:50 PM

I think we can put Wolters photographic evidence firmly to bed.

As if Brueckner is going to taunt Wolters whilst knowing full well he's recovered those incriminating paedo/murder holiday snaps from his dog's carcass.

I believe the videos and most if not all of the stills were downloads from the internet, so probably don't implicate him in anything to do with Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 14, 2021, 07:46:03 PM
From Websleuths ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2021, 07:53:23 PM
Incredibly controlled handwriting.  I’d love to see some analysis done on that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 07:58:59 PM

The cartoon drawing is quite good aswell.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 14, 2021, 08:13:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2021, 07:53:23 PM
Incredibly controlled handwriting.  I’d love to see some analysis done on that.

Why, Wolters say's he's a killer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 14, 2021, 08:33:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 14, 2021, 08:13:36 PM
Why, Wolters say's he's a killer.

Indeed, what more do we need to know?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2021, 08:38:07 PM


That he's a paedo, & a rapist, & a burglar, & a fuel thief.

But let he without sin cast the first stone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 14, 2021, 08:41:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2021, 07:53:23 PM
Incredibly controlled handwriting.  I’d love to see some analysis done on that.
I’m wondering about the cartoon with bubbles ‘forensic filet’. Could it mean that forensic evidence has been destroyed by ‘consumption’ in whatever way or anything similar? I apologise for my comment in advance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 14, 2021, 08:43:58 PM
Maybe the dog ate it and that's why it died.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 14, 2021, 08:47:39 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 14, 2021, 08:41:49 PM
I’m wondering about the cartoon with bubbles ‘forensic filet’. Could it mean that forensic evidence has been destroyed by ‘consumption’ in whatever way or anything similar? I apologise for my comment in advance.

Could mean a lot of thing's, filet being without bones, ie : no substance. Something like when Cantona came up with his gem,"When seagulls follow the trawler it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea," it'll probably be lost in translation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 14, 2021, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 14, 2021, 08:41:49 PM
I’m wondering about the cartoon with bubbles ‘forensic filet’. Could it mean that forensic evidence has been destroyed by ‘consumption’ in whatever way or anything similar? I apologise for my comment in advance.
Yeah, I wondered if the cartoon was some sort of visual clue too...it’s a bit odd.  No doubt such a suggestion will trigger much mirth and merriment amongst his fan club members.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2021, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 14, 2021, 08:41:49 PM
I’m wondering about the cartoon with bubbles ‘forensic filet’. Could it mean that forensic evidence has been destroyed by ‘consumption’ in whatever way or anything similar? I apologise for my comment in advance.

If it is him I'm wondering why he is going public and was it done with the approval and cooperation of his lawyer who has said publicly that no comment would be forthcoming.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 14, 2021, 09:00:46 PM
An explanation from Websleuths, SD:

And why an italian restaurant? Does he want play some games with the prosecutors? Or is he trying to communicate with somebody?

An criminal-psychologist analyst on BILD website interpreted it as like CB feels like he is being filleted by the prosecutors and he doesn't think, his solicitors knew about that letter. And yes, he exposed himself as being kept in the Oldenburg prison. Something, that even the media didn't know until today.

According to BILD reporter Kai Feldhaus, that letter and cartoon have been passed to him yesterday.

I can imagine, that now CB's real personality breaks out! Maybe now it slides even out of the solicitors hands. But that cartoon is not a pseudo-humorous act JMO. It must have a special intention, like the cell-drawing.

Two prosecutors in the maddie case eating forensic filets in an italian restaurant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 14, 2021, 09:05:09 PM
Credit: SD

He wrote of himself in the 3rd person in his press-statement. Illeism is a form of narcassism.

And why has he been moved to Oldenburg? It's the prison most northbound in lower saxony. But it's close to Hamburg, where CMK should get his trial after being extradited to germany and also MN faced his trial, because their last known adresses had been in that area.

I checked the correction-facility-plan of lower saxony. It's available on the web. But there hasn't been any reason for CB to be kept in Oldenburg, due to the regulations. Do they brought him close to hamburg for easy travelling between the prisons maybe?

And why does CB feels the need to say to someone indirectly, that he has been moved to Oldenburg? I would like to see a pattern in this behavior....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 14, 2021, 09:13:32 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 14, 2021, 09:00:46 PM
An explanation from Websleuths, SD:

And why an italian restaurant? Does he want play some games with the prosecutors? Or is he trying to communicate with somebody?

An criminal-psychologist analyst on BILD website interpreted it as like CB feels like he is being filleted by the prosecutors and he doesn't think, his solicitors knew about that letter. And yes, he exposed himself as being kept in the Oldenburg prison. Something, that even the media didn't know until today.

According to BILD reporter Kai Feldhaus, that letter and cartoon have been passed to him yesterday.

I can imagine, that now CB's real personality breaks out! Maybe now it slides even out of the solicitors hands. But that cartoon is not a pseudo-humorous act JMO. It must have a special intention, like the cell-drawing.

Two prosecutors in the maddie case eating forensic filets in an italian restaurant.

I think Brueckner likes to be in control.  The past year must have been sheer frustration for him as there is nothing he can do about the situation he is now in.

If that is anything to do with Wolter's strategy it appears to be working and I don't think he will be in any hurry to change it as time appears to be on his side.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 14, 2021, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Brietta on June 14, 2021, 09:13:32 PM
I think Brueckner likes to be in control.  The past year must have been sheer frustration for him as there is nothing he can do about the situation he is now in.

If that is anything to do with Wolter's strategy it appears to be working and I don't think he will be in any hurry to change it as time appears to be on his side.
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I agree, Brietta. Seems he is attempting to open up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 15, 2021, 06:18:56 AM
Hidden meaning... Brueckner's suggesting that neither prosecutor has got a leg to stand on!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2021, 08:20:58 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 15, 2021, 06:18:56 AM
Hidden meaning... Brueckner's suggesting that neither prosecutor has got a leg to stand on!

Hidden meaning.

They are ordering Fish Fillets.
Flounder...ing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 15, 2021, 08:26:47 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 15, 2021, 06:18:56 AM
Hidden meaning... Brueckner's suggesting that neither prosecutor has got a leg to stand on!

At the moment they don't, as Wolters has admitted they don't have enough evidence to lay charges; despite, as Brueckner points out, announcing his guilt to all and sundry. Imo Wolters has breached his right to the presumption of innocence and therefore his chance of getting a fair trial if he is eventually charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2021, 08:58:43 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 15, 2021, 08:20:58 AM
Hidden meaning.

They are ordering Fish Fillets.
Flounder...ing
no one mentioned fish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2021, 09:00:13 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 15, 2021, 08:26:47 AM
At the moment they don't, as Wolters has admitted they don't have enough evidence to lay charges; despite, as Brueckner points out, announcing his guilt to all and sundry. Imo Wolters has breached his right to the presumption of innocence and therefore his chance of getting a fair trial if he is eventually charged.
Why has he not been reprimanded or sacked then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 15, 2021, 11:04:32 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 15, 2021, 06:18:56 AM
Hidden meaning... Brueckner's suggesting that neither prosecutor has got a leg to stand on!

Ah. I've only just understood what I think you mean.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 15, 2021, 11:06:31 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 15, 2021, 11:04:32 AM
Ah. I've only just understood what I think you mean.
Bruckner's caricatures have only got one leg each, but they are far from 'armless, much like their creator. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 23, 2021, 07:30:00 AM
An interview with Bild reporter Kai Feldhaus about Christian Brueckner...

https://soundcloud.com/crimeworld/crime-world-episode-32-the-maddie-mccann-suspect (https://soundcloud.com/crimeworld/crime-world-episode-32-the-maddie-mccann-suspect)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2021, 07:50:33 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 15, 2021, 08:26:47 AM
At the moment they don't, as Wolters has admitted they don't have enough evidence to lay charges; despite, as Brueckner points out, announcing his guilt to all and sundry. Imo Wolters has breached his right to the presumption of innocence and therefore his chance of getting a fair trial if he is eventually charged.

You seem to think that your opinion is fact... It isnt. I think you have misunderstood the stuation.
Does HCW have enough evidence to charge... I would say he does but what he means is they dont have enough evidence to guarantee a conviction and he feels he can get more. Michael Stone in the UK was convicted it seems simply on tthe word of another convict. Im sure Wolters has more than that. Colin Stagg was charged and tried with basically no evidence. Wolters is trying to build a watertight case and at the moment does not have sufficient evidence to do that..... Although he may well have a lot more than you think.

I think you are wrong on the POI and you seem to have already judged the outcome to any potential case which in itself  is
ridiculous. Wolters has addressed this point and is confident that CB woiuld get a fair trial... Theres no jury in Germany whicch helps.
You are ignoring HCW right to free speech.. How odd. At any echr case it would bbe a balance between the two.. The poi is not as absolute as you simplistically think.
Its possible that Woltrers knows as a fact CB is guilty.. But can’t as yet prove it. As ive said i understand as I am in a similar situation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2021, 07:58:33 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 15, 2021, 08:26:47 AM
At the moment they don't, as Wolters has admitted they don't have enough evidence to lay charges; despite, as Brueckner points out, announcing his guilt to all and sundry. Imo Wolters has breached his right to the presumption of innocence and therefore his chance of getting a fair trial if he is eventually charged.

If CB is found guilty on incontrovertible evidence... Do you think he has a case at the ECHR... And what do you think
Would be the result and the outcome.... A penny in damages perhaps..... I think you totally underestimate the ability and professionslism of Wolters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2021, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2021, 07:50:33 AM
You seem to think that your opinion is fact... It isnt. I think you have misunderstood the stuation.
Does HCW have enough evidence to charge... I would say he does but what he means is they dont have enough evidence to guarantee a conviction and he feels he can get more. Michael Stone in the UK was convicted it seems simply on tthe word of another convict. Im sure Wolters has more than that. Colin Stagg was charged and tried with basically no evidence. Wolters is trying to build a watertight case and at the moment does not have sufficient evidence to do that..... Although he may well have a lot more than you think.

I think you are wrong on the POI and you seem to have already judged the outcome to any potential case which in itself  is
ridiculous. Wolters has addressed this point and is confident that CB woiuld get a fair trial... Theres no jury in Germany whicch helps.
You are ignoring HCW right to free speech.. How odd. At any echr case it would bbe a balance between the two.. The poi is not as absolute as you simplistically think.
Its possible that Woltrers knows as a fact CB is guilty.. But can’t as yet prove it. As ive said i understand as I am in a similar situation

The ECHR is very clear about the POI, and in 2016 issued Directive 2016/343.EU strengthening certain aspects of the poi;

The presumption of innocence would be violated if public statements made by public authorities, or judicial
decisions other than those on guilt, referred to a suspect or an accused person as being guilty, for as long as that
person has not been proved guilty according to law. Such statements and judicial decisions should not reflect an opinion that that person is guilty.
https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/germany-2021-country-research-presumption innocence_en.pdf

Germany made no changes to it's laws following this Directive and this study seems to reveal that Judges, Prosecutors and Policemen are satisfied that none of them are likely to treat a suspect or accused person as guilty before being proved guilty by law. On the other hand, defence lawyers were not convinced that this was so.

I think Wolters showed the complacency of the German authorities when he declared that judges would not be influenced by the publicity around his suspect.  As one of the lawyers pointed out;

“I believe that it has an influence, because the judges are of course also people who are somehow influenced by a publicly expressed opinion.” (Lawyer/Germany)
https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/germany-2021-country-research-presumption-innocence_en.pdf
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2021, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2021, 10:57:40 AM
The ECHR is very clear about the POI, and in 2016 issued Directive 2016/343.EU strengthening certain aspects of the poi;

The presumption of innocence would be violated if public statements made by public authorities, or judicial
decisions other than those on guilt, referred to a suspect or an accused person as being guilty, for as long as that
person has not been proved guilty according to law. Such statements and judicial decisions should not reflect an opinion that that person is guilty.
https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/germany-2021-country-research-presumption innocence_en.pdf

Germany made no changes to it's laws following this Directive and this study seems to reveal that Judges, Prosecutors and Policemen are satisfied that none of them are likely to treat a suspect or accused person as guilty before being proved guilty by law. On the other hand, defence lawyers were not convinced that this was so.

I think Wolters showed the complacency of the German authorities when he declared that judges would not be influenced by the publicity around his suspect.  As one of the lawyers pointed out;

“I believe that it has an influence, because the judges are of course also people who are somehow influenced by a publicly expressed opinion.” (Lawyer/Germany)
https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/germany-2021-country-research-presumption-innocence_en.pdf
Then what are Bruckener and his lawyer waiting for?  It's been a year, time to mount a case with the ECHR by now surely?  Perhaps they need you on the team to tell them what's what? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 23, 2021, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 23, 2021, 07:30:00 AM
An interview with Bild reporter Kai Feldhaus about Christian Brueckner...

https://soundcloud.com/crimeworld/crime-world-episode-32-the-maddie-mccann-suspect (https://soundcloud.com/crimeworld/crime-world-episode-32-the-maddie-mccann-suspect)

Thanks for posting that find. Although Bild appears to be somewhat of a tabloid, I found him to be very balanced.

Something that wasn't mentioned by either was his possible (probable?) proximity to where Joana disappeared at the time.  8()(((@#
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2021, 11:32:23 AM
Quote from: Carana on June 23, 2021, 11:12:47 AM
Thanks for posting that find. Although Bild appears to be somewhat of a tabloid, I found him to be very balanced.

Something that wasn't mentioned by either was his possible (probable?) proximity to where Joana disappeared at the time.  8()(((@#

I agree, he was indeed very balanced. I wonder who 'the friend' was who managed to get hold of Christian B's letter despite the problems he allegedly faced in getting it out of prison.

I think even the Germans have more sense than to suggest a miscarriage of justice in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2021, 12:12:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2021, 10:57:40 AM
The ECHR is very clear about the POI, and in 2016 issued Directive 2016/343.EU strengthening certain aspects of the poi;

The presumption of innocence would be violated if public statements made by public authorities, or judicial
decisions other than those on guilt, referred to a suspect or an accused person as being guilty, for as long as that
person has not been proved guilty according to law. Such statements and judicial decisions should not reflect an opinion that that person is guilty.
https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/germany-2021-country-research-presumption innocence_en.pdf

Germany made no changes to it's laws following this Directive and this study seems to reveal that Judges, Prosecutors and Policemen are satisfied that none of them are likely to treat a suspect or accused person as guilty before being proved guilty by law. On the other hand, defence lawyers were not convinced that this was so.

I think Wolters showed the complacency of the German authorities when he declared that judges would not be influenced by the publicity around his suspect.  As one of the lawyers pointed out;

“I believe that it has an influence, because the judges are of course also people who are somehow influenced by a publicly expressed opinion.” (Lawyer/Germany)
https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/germany-2021-country-research-presumption-innocence_en.pdf

I think you need to do more research and would suggest you start with googling the balance of article 10 against article 6

The Greek police have declared the husband guilty of murder.. Do you think he can avoid prosecution on human rights ground.
Suspects are named and guilt inferred regularly... Suspects are held on remand..

You really do need to do moore research

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2021, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on June 23, 2021, 12:12:52 PM
I think you need to do more research and would suggest you start with googling the balance of article 10 against article 6

The Greek police have declared the husband guilty of murder.. Do you think he can avoid prosecution on human rights ground.
Suspects are named and guilt inferred regularly... Suspects are held on remand..

You really do need to do moore research

Says someone who offers no evidence whatsoever to underpin his post.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2021, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2021, 12:21:06 PM
Says someone who offers no evidence whatsoever to underpin his post.  @)(++(*

For someone who thinks CMMOM is a good source of information thats quite comical. One of the latest posts there is about the dogs who have never been wrong in 200 cases.. Covid is also a complete scam it seems. Anyone who classes those sort of things as good information neefs a reality check
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 23, 2021, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2021, 11:32:23 AM
I agree, he was indeed very balanced. I wonder who 'the friend' was who managed to get hold of Christian B's letter despite the problems he allegedly faced in getting it out of prison.

I think even the Germans have more sense than to suggest a miscarriage of justice in Portugal.

I've been virtually bashed over the head so many times for even suggesting that perhaps the Cipriano case was potentially a miscarriage of justice. TBF, in a sense it wasn't, as I have doubts as to the legal advice potentially given and accepted.... and which ended the case, despite the fact that, IMO, there was nothing of substance to the case.

Taken from elsewhere re the Cipriano case:

Supreme Court of Justice - 'Joana case' ruling - Part I
"xxII. FUNDAMENTATION

9. Matter of fact according to the appealed court

9. 1. Facts considered to be proved:

(...)

aa) minor CC returned home from “Pastelaria…”, where she had bought the aforementioned food products;

But the legal reasoning was based on this:

Witness AA3, at around 8.30/8.40 p.m., saw CC [Joana Cipriano] walking up the stairs near the market, into the direction of her home, with a bag, a sign that she was returning from shopping (and we know that she did the shopping, from the deposition of witness NN). This witness, who was smoking at the window, stayed at the window for some time and verified that there was no movement on location, nor did she see any cars, or heard any screams. This means that, according to the rules of experience, and given the fact that the route is short, what is normal is that the minor returned home. And there is no doubt that CC arrived at home and that it was then that the arguidos hit her. Such is clear from the reconstitution file that has been appended to the process at pages 273 and following, namely from the photographs on pages 282, 284, 285, 286 , 287, 291 and 292, with the contents of said reconstitution file being confirmed by inspectors CC3 and CC4, who were present during the event and described the actions that were practised by arguido AA [João Cipriano] during said reconstitution.


Supreme Court of Justice - ruling SJ200604200003635, 20.04.2006 | translated by astro 

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/supreme-court-of-justice-joana-case-ruling-t24336.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 23, 2021, 12:56:12 PM
Sorry if Mods think that my previous post should have been posted elsewhere, but the point I'm trying to make is how flimsy "proven facts" can be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 23, 2021, 01:21:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2021, 11:32:23 AM
I agree, he was indeed very balanced. I wonder who 'the friend' was who managed to get hold of Christian B's letter despite the problems he allegedly faced in getting it out of prison.

I think even the Germans have more sense than to suggest a miscarriage of justice in Portugal.

Diplomatically, I doubt that that would be on the cards. I'm not sure that Joana's disappearance could even become an official object of investigation in Germany. ;(

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 23, 2021, 01:31:31 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 23, 2021, 01:21:07 PM
Diplomatically, I doubt that that would be on the cards. I'm not sure that Joana's disappearance could even become an official object of investigation in Germany. ;(

Or anywhere else for that matter.
The only people who seem to be making it an issue are some  McCann supporters.

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2021, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 23, 2021, 01:31:31 PM
Or anywhere else for that matter.
The only people who seem to be making it an issue are some  McCann supporters.

IMO
Which is odd when the Cipriano convictions are very clearly as shonky as they come - you would have to be blind, stupid or both to disagree IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 23, 2021, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 23, 2021, 01:31:31 PM
Or anywhere else for that matter.
The only people who seem to be making it an issue are some  McCann supporters.

IMO

Do you mean that the following can be taken as a "proven fact"?

"According to the rules of experience, and given the fact that the route is short, what is normal is that the minor returned home."

Facts:

- Both children disappeared without a trace.

- Amaral was in charge of both cases (albeit the Madeleine one for a few months).

- (potentially verifiable) Bruckner could well have been in the vicinity at the time of both. -

- He'd already been extradited twice (?) for serious crimes, but was never on an active radar for any.

Odd?

I repeat for the nth time, he could be innocent of one or more and just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time. However, I find it odd that he he doesn't appear to have been a red flag to formally eliminate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 23, 2021, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 23, 2021, 01:45:48 PM
Do you mean that the following can be taken as a "proven fact"?

"According to the rules of experience, and given the fact that the route is short, what is normal is that the minor returned home."

I have no opinion on this as it doesn't interest me.
I suspect that if the McCanns had misplaced their child in Albania, for example, no one on here would give a toss about injustice in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 23, 2021, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 23, 2021, 01:52:54 PM
I have no opinion on this as it doesn't interest me.
I suspect that if the McCanns had misplaced their child in Albania, for example, no one on here would give a toss about injustice in Portugal.

What makes you think that? IMO, the disappearances could have happened anywhere in the world and whichever country they had occurred in would have been the one in focus.

ETA: what doesn't interest you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 23, 2021, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 23, 2021, 02:05:41 PM
What makes you think that? IMO, the disappearances could have happened anywhere in the world and whichever country they had occurred in would have been the one in focus.

ETA: what doesn't interest you?


Not being Portuguese and never  going to go to Portugal, I have no interest in their judicial system.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2021, 03:14:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 23, 2021, 02:32:33 PM

Not being Portuguese and never  going to go to Portugal, I have no interest in their judicial system.
Me neither, I still think there's a possibility that the Cirprianos were stitched up and that it's highly coincidental that two young girls disappeared from the same underpopulated locale without trace within a couple of years of each other.  It's the mystery that's interesting, not the country that it happened in, or their rotten police / judiciary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2021, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: Carana on June 23, 2021, 02:05:41 PM
What makes you think that? IMO, the disappearances could have happened anywhere in the world and whichever country they had occurred in would have been the one in focus.

ETA: what doesn't interest you?
It seems to me that some people aren't interested in the Cipriano case very specifically because it stinks to high heaven and they'd much rather stick their fingers in their ears every time it's mentioned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 25, 2021, 09:17:11 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mcann-police-told-suspect-24400965
More on Foral and another property.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 25, 2021, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 25, 2021, 09:17:11 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mcann-police-told-suspect-24400965
More on Foral and another property.

I don't think we will ever know exactly how many properties Brueckner had access to.  The list just seems to keep growing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2021, 01:33:17 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 25, 2021, 09:17:11 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mcann-police-told-suspect-24400965
More on Foral and another property.

I think that link raises quite a few questions, Anthro.

The first one being - Why now?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 26, 2021, 09:40:41 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 25, 2021, 09:17:11 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mcann-police-told-suspect-24400965
More on Foral and another property.

Who got rid of one dog.

He said it was guarded by four fierce Kangal dogs, which have the strongest bite of any in the world.

Mail on line.

He added that it was guarded by three Kangal Shepherd Dogs, known for having one of the most powerful bites among dog breeds.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 26, 2021, 09:53:48 AM
From wiki.

Typically used as protection against wolves, bears, and jackals in its native Turkey,[1][2] the breed has been exported to African countries like Namibia and Kenya in more recent years[3][4] due to its intimidating size and capabilities as an effective guardian, where it successfully protects local herds from lions, cheetahs, and similar indigenous big cats, which has had the benefit of not only protecting livestock, but ensuring the continuity of endangered predators due to reduced cullings by local farmers.[5]

Lions and tigers and bears, my, my.

The latest rubbish falls into the following category.


Rowley 2017:  There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2021, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 25, 2021, 10:55:30 PM
I don't think we will ever know exactly how many properties Brueckner had access to.  The list just seems to keep growing.

Helped along by the rumours perpetuated by the UK newspapers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 26, 2021, 10:11:55 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 26, 2021, 10:07:51 AM
Helped along by the rumours perpetuated by the UK newspapers.

Recently Wolters made an appeal for info on the interior of any property CB may have had access to.. So it seems Wolters could be behind this drive. It also supports my idea that the concrete evidence he has is photographic of MM in a certain location
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2021, 10:57:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on June 26, 2021, 10:11:55 AM
Recently Wolters made an appeal for info on the interior of any property CB may have had access to.. So it seems Wolters could be behind this drive. It also supports my idea that the concrete evidence he has is photographic of MM in a certain location

It also explains why the investigation is subject to so many delays.  The BKA cannot take control of areas of interest and react to them as they can on home ground. It is not their jurisdiction and there will be a mountain of paperwork and legalities to be gone through.

You are right about the general appeal for information about the places Brueckner had access to.  I think it answers the question I had of the informant who couldn't be sure he and his daughter were the only ones who were aware of Brueckner's association with the place which had to be of interest.
If it ties in with the timeline surrounding Madeleine's disappearance it will be very interesting indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2021, 11:13:49 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 26, 2021, 09:53:48 AM
From wiki.

Typically used as protection against wolves, bears, and jackals in its native Turkey,[1][2] the breed has been exported to African countries like Namibia and Kenya in more recent years[3][4] due to its intimidating size and capabilities as an effective guardian, where it successfully protects local herds from lions, cheetahs, and similar indigenous big cats, which has had the benefit of not only protecting livestock, but ensuring the continuity of endangered predators due to reduced cullings by local farmers.[5]

Lions and tigers and bears, my, my.

The latest rubbish falls into the following category.


Rowley 2017:  There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.


It really is a spectacular story.

Brueckner's ex girlfriend owned a property, which Brueckner may or may not have visited.

This is gripping stuff & pretty damning for Brueckner if you ask me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 26, 2021, 11:19:41 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 26, 2021, 09:53:48 AM
From wiki.

Typically used as protection against wolves, bears, and jackals in its native Turkey,[1][2] the breed has been exported to African countries like Namibia and Kenya in more recent years[3][4] due to its intimidating size and capabilities as an effective guardian, where it successfully protects local herds from lions, cheetahs, and similar indigenous big cats, which has had the benefit of not only protecting livestock, but ensuring the continuity of endangered predators due to reduced cullings by local farmers.[5]

Lions and tigers and bears, my, my.

The latest rubbish falls into the following category.


Rowley 2017:  There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.

Just think of the weekly food bill for these 4 voracious animals.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 26, 2021, 12:13:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 26, 2021, 11:19:41 AM
Just think of the weekly food bill for these 4 voracious animals.

Or three according to the mail, wonder if the others ate it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 26, 2021, 01:31:03 PM
I see the Three Stooges are having their fun today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 26, 2021, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 26, 2021, 01:31:03 PM
I see the Three Stooges are having their fun today.
Too true!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoXHnxegKbE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoXHnxegKbE)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 26, 2021, 09:03:00 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2021, 11:13:49 AM

It really is a spectacular story.

Brueckner's ex girlfriend owned a property, which Brueckner may or may not have visited.

This is gripping stuff & pretty damning for Brueckner if you ask me.

Step back just a little and imagine that the main featuring actor here was not Brueckner but any one of the tapas group or even better, Kate or Gerry themselves.

Then think of the really wonderfulspammy comments that would generate 😁  I'm sure you would think you had died and gone to heaven.

I think it is rather difficult to forget ownership of a parcel of land wherever in the world one happens to be.  But to be forgetful of land which was accessible to the main suspect in quite a few criminal cases while playing down your very personal association with him is something very difficult to ignore.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2021, 06:00:35 PM
The latest.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5733584/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-boasted-masturbating-naked-sleeping/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 01, 2021, 06:14:18 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2021, 06:00:35 PM
The latest.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5733584/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-boasted-masturbating-naked-sleeping/

Hardly 'the latest'. That was dated 2nd August 2020. Oid news more like.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2021, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 01, 2021, 06:14:18 PM
Hardly 'the latest'. That was dated 2nd August 2020. Oid news more like.
Has this person been named before? Dein Ghafou.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2021, 07:27:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 01, 2021, 06:14:18 PM
Hardly 'the latest'. That was dated 2nd August 2020. Oid news more like.
Please provide a reference where this has been reported on, in 2020.
He said: “The strangest thing he ever told me was about breaking into a room where four teenagers from Britain were sleeping on the sofa and floor”.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 01, 2021, 07:40:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2021, 07:27:12 PM
Please provide a reference where this has been reported on, in 2020.
He said: “The strangest thing he ever told me was about breaking into a room where four teenagers from Britain were sleeping on the sofa and floor”.

Your link goes to;

SICKENING ACT Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B ‘boasted to pal about performing sex act naked in front of sleeping Brit girls’
Alex Winter
0:34, 2 Aug 2020Updated: 2:29, 2 Aug 2020

The name given is not 'the friend' or 'pal', it's a garage owner who was quoted as saying;

It has also been reported that Christian B modified his VW camper van to 'hide a child'.

He lived in the vehicle around the time three-year-old Madeleine disappeared.

Dein Ghafou, who owned a garage complex Hanover used by Christian B, told how he was visited by police investigating Madeleine’s disappearance.

“I told them he had been working on a ­Volkswagen Camper here and he would lift the roof up and then make it smaller again," he told the Mirror.

“He was always cutting the roof, raising it and then lowering it. He came and went here.

“We really didn’t notice, we didn’t realise he was a complete ­criminal"

Nowhere does it say that Dein Ghafou was 'the friend'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 01, 2021, 09:01:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 01, 2021, 07:40:42 PM
Your link goes to;

SICKENING ACT Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B ‘boasted to pal about performing sex act naked in front of sleeping Brit girls’
Alex Winter
0:34, 2 Aug 2020Updated: 2:29, 2 Aug 2020

The name given is not 'the friend' or 'pal', it's a garage owner who was quoted as saying;

It has also been reported that Christian B modified his VW camper van to 'hide a child'.

He lived in the vehicle around the time three-year-old Madeleine disappeared.

Dein Ghafou, who owned a garage complex Hanover used by Christian B, told how he was visited by police investigating Madeleine’s disappearance.

“I told them he had been working on a ­Volkswagen Camper here and he would lift the roof up and then make it smaller again," he told the Mirror.

“He was always cutting the roof, raising it and then lowering it. He came and went here.

“We really didn’t notice, we didn’t realise he was a complete ­criminal"

Nowhere does it say that Dein Ghafou was 'the friend'.
I am aware that some of the above has been reported in the media. Your comment re. Dein Ghafou as ‘not the friend’ needs clarification. Who claimed this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 01, 2021, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 01, 2021, 09:01:18 PM
I am aware that some of the above has been reported in the media. Your comment re. Dein Ghafou as ‘not the friend’ needs clarification. Who claimed this?

I thought you were. Otherwise why mention him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 02, 2021, 06:47:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 01, 2021, 09:54:55 PM
I thought you were. Otherwise why mention him?
I mentioned him since it is the first time his name has appeared in the media and connected to Brückner. You claimed the article contains nothing new. Can you please explain why you claim this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2021, 06:57:45 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 02, 2021, 06:47:14 PM
I mentioned him since it is the first time his name has appeared in the media and connected to Brückner. You claimed the article contains nothing new. Can you please explain why you claim this?

I would like to know this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2021, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2021, 06:57:45 PM
I would like to know this.

Why? What can you do with the information?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2021, 07:26:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 02, 2021, 07:19:39 PM
Why? What can you do with the information?

Because I am a Senior Moderator I have to try to keep on top of this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 02, 2021, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: Anthro on July 02, 2021, 06:47:14 PM
I mentioned him since it is the first time his name has appeared in the media and connected to Brückner. You claimed the article contains nothing new. Can you please explain why you claim this?

It can hardly be called 'the latest' when it's almost a year ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 02, 2021, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2021, 06:57:45 PM
I would like to know this.
The poster’s words: ‘Hardly 'the latest'. That was dated 2nd August 2020’. Oid news more like’. Awaiting a response re.  Brückner exposing himself to young girls at a playground in Sao Bartolomeau de Messinas, surely is different to him admitting to a friend that he was exposing himself to British girls on holiday, sleeping on a sofa.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2021, 10:14:15 PM
Does anyone know if there have been any reports of links between CB and the late Clement Freud who was a suspected paedophile living (at times) in PDL?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 18, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2021, 10:14:15 PM
Does anyone know if there have been any reports of links between CB and the late Clement Freud who was a suspected paedophile living (at times) in PDL?
There have been no reports of such a thing, not even from Amaral. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2021, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 18, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
There have been no reports of such a thing, not even from Amaral.

Thank you. I just recall that around 2016 even the broadsheets were reporting on one of Clement Freud's alleged victims suggesting that there may be a link, reportedly, between Clement Freud and Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 18, 2021, 10:41:46 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 18, 2021, 10:28:55 PM
Thank you. I just recall that around 2016 even the broadsheets were reporting on one of Clement Freud's alleged victims suggesting that there may be a link, reportedly, between Clement Freud and Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
I think you are mistaken.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 19, 2021, 12:05:57 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 18, 2021, 10:41:46 PM
I think you are mistaken.

I'm not saying there was a link between CB and Freud. Rather, one of Freud's alleged victims suspected Freud might know something about the case.... If he does (did) was there a link between Freud and CB...

Here's some examples:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-clement-freud-victim-police-investigate-a7084881.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sir-clement-freud-madeleine-mccann-police-investigate-paedophile-mp-link-a7082806.html

The stories which imply a victim suggested Freud might have known something about MM's disappearance would perhaps become more significant if there was any known link between CB and Freud.

If there was such a link it would be worth the Police investigating further, imo.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 24, 2021, 03:44:51 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 19, 2021, 12:05:57 AM
I'm not saying there was a link between CB and Freud. Rather, one of Freud's alleged victims suspected Freud might know something about the case.... If he does (did) was there a link between Freud and CB...

Here's some examples:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-clement-freud-victim-police-investigate-a7084881.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sir-clement-freud-madeleine-mccann-police-investigate-paedophile-mp-link-a7082806.html

The stories which imply a victim suggested Freud might have known something about MM's disappearance would perhaps become more significant if there was any known link between CB and Freud.

If there was such a link it would be worth the Police investigating further, imo.

If you're looking for a (less than) 6 degrees of separation between CB & Freud then imo it's worth looking at the world of art.
Diana M*****, the 72yr old CB was convicted of raping, published a book in 1983 about French Art in the Corcoran Gallery (Washington). She lived in Luz for 20 years, close to where Clement's ex-holiday home is located. Clement's brother Lucian, as you know, was a famous artist. Both Clement & Lucian were born in Berlin, so German by birth. Lucian had a somewhat chequered history.

Brueckner reportedly spends a lot of his time drawing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8689531/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-draws-pencil-sketch-cramped-prison-cell.html

During the Discovery+ documentary I recall his ex-girlfriend (from the time he bought the disused box factory in Neuwegersleben) saying that he wanted to have an art gallery at those premises. I can no longer access Discovery+ to provide the link but someone else may be able to.

I understand Brueckner's route into the centre of Luz from his long-term rental villa there (next door to Ruth MacLean) would have taken him right past the Freud holiday home. However, I do not know if Lucian ever holidayed there.
 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466347/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-British-neighbour-destroyed-likely-DNA-evidence-house.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 24, 2021, 11:39:33 PM
Quote from: misty on July 24, 2021, 03:44:51 AM
If you're looking for a (less than) 6 degrees of separation between CB & Freud then imo it's worth looking at the world of art.
Diana M*****, the 72yr old CB was convicted of raping, published a book in 1983 about French Art in the Corcoran Gallery (Washington). She lived in Luz for 20 years, close to where Clement's ex-holiday home is located. Clement's brother Lucian, as you know, was a famous artist. Both Clement & Lucian were born in Berlin, so German by birth. Lucian had a somewhat chequered history.

Brueckner reportedly spends a lot of his time drawing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8689531/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-draws-pencil-sketch-cramped-prison-cell.html

During the Discovery+ documentary I recall his ex-girlfriend (from the time he bought the disused box factory in Neuwegersleben) saying that he wanted to have an art gallery at those premises. I can no longer access Discovery+ to provide the link but someone else may be able to.

I understand Brueckner's route into the centre of Luz from his long-term rental villa there (next door to Ruth MacLean) would have taken him right past the Freud holiday home. However, I do not know if Lucian ever holidayed there.
 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466347/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-British-neighbour-destroyed-likely-DNA-evidence-house.html
I agree, Misty. Have a look at the map. (Red = Brückner’s home; yellow = Freud’s home; green = Casa Jacaranda, Diana Menkes’ home.)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on July 25, 2021, 02:20:14 AM
Quote from: Anthro on July 24, 2021, 11:39:33 PM
I agree, Misty. Have a look at the map. (Red = Brückner’s home; yellow = Freud’s home; green = Casa Jacaranda, Diana Menkes’ home.)

Brueckner rented the Luz property for a long period pre 2006, according to the neighbour Ruth MacLean. He was familiar enough with Diana M to know she had a cat - the one he claimed must have carried one of his hairs into her bedroom. We know very little about his personal life between 1996 & 2006 and even villains have interests and hobbies without criminal intent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 18, 2021, 07:34:31 AM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 24, 2021, 08:00:10 AM
A new sketch from prison.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 24, 2021, 12:52:29 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 24, 2021, 08:00:10 AM
A new sketch from prison.

The cartoon drawing, allegedly sketched by Christian B and published by BILD, appears to show German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters stood in court holding a €5 bill while asking a clairvoyant for advice on the case.

The clairvoyant - understood to be Michael Schneider who has given the cops coordinates of where he thinks Madeleine was buried - is seen dressed in orange with curly red hair looking into a glass ball.

The sketch shows the rest of the court sleeping while the suspect looks surprised with a question mark above his head. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15950597/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-jail-cartoons/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 24, 2021, 02:05:19 PM
I wonder why Brueckner is taunting Wolters so publicly? Stupidity or confidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 24, 2021, 02:59:25 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 24, 2021, 12:52:29 PM
The cartoon drawing, allegedly sketched by Christian B and published by BILD, appears to show German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters stood in court holding a €5 bill while asking a clairvoyant for advice on the case.

The clairvoyant - understood to be Michael Schneider who has given the cops coordinates of where he thinks Madeleine was buried - is seen dressed in orange with curly red hair looking into a glass ball.

The sketch shows the rest of the court sleeping while the suspect looks surprised with a question mark above his head. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15950597/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-jail-cartoons/
Here is the full cartoon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2021, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 24, 2021, 02:05:19 PM
I wonder why Brueckner is taunting Wolters so publicly? Stupidity or confidence?
It's most unusual behaviour, a bit serial killer-y.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 24, 2021, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 24, 2021, 12:52:29 PM
The cartoon drawing, allegedly sketched by Christian B and published by BILD, appears to show German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters stood in court holding a €5 bill while asking a clairvoyant for advice on the case.

The clairvoyant - understood to be Michael Schneider who has given the cops coordinates of where he thinks Madeleine was buried - is seen dressed in orange with curly red hair looking into a glass ball.

The sketch shows the rest of the court sleeping while the suspect looks surprised with a question mark above his head. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15950597/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-jail-cartoons/
I thought the person with the question mark is Fülscher rather than the suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 24, 2021, 03:52:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 24, 2021, 02:05:19 PM
I wonder why Brueckner is taunting Wolters so publicly? Stupidity or confidence?

Whatever ... I think he is a desperately worried man.  A seven year stretch - with time off for good behaviour ('cept he may have forfeited that somewhat by recent misbehaviour) - is doable and one of the risks individuals like that must regard as an occupational hazard.

Having no life ahead except prison life for the rest of one's days must be a daunting prospect.  I think he is panicking a little particularly as he has no idea what information investigators have on him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 24, 2021, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 24, 2021, 03:35:13 PM
I thought the person with the question mark is Fülscher rather than the suspect.

It is the Sun, Anthro.  So you might very well be right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 24, 2021, 04:11:12 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 24, 2021, 03:35:13 PM
I thought the person with the question mark is Fülscher rather than the suspect.

With yellow hair?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2021, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 24, 2021, 04:11:12 PM
With yellow hair?
Perhaps he'd used up the "mouse" crayon.  They both have the same hair colour in real life anyway, and what does it matter one way or the other? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 24, 2021, 04:26:04 PM
Why have they all got big phalluses for noses?... Some weird ess-aitch-eye-tea going on in his deluded bonce right there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 24, 2021, 05:03:33 PM
Quote from: Myster on August 24, 2021, 04:26:04 PM
Why have they all got big phalluses for noses?... Some weird ess-aitch-eye-tea going on in his deluded bonce right there.

I wondered about that ~ but I was too polite to say so.  I've just worked out that the appendages at the clairvoyant are his forearm and elbow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 24, 2021, 05:21:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 24, 2021, 05:03:33 PM
I wondered about that ~ but I was too polite to say so.  I've just worked out that the appendages at the clairvoyant are his forearm and elbow.
Oh, you are awful!... they completely skipped my attention.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 24, 2021, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on August 24, 2021, 05:21:33 PM
Oh, you are awful!... they completely skipped my attention.

Good God.  Arms, Elbows and Noses.  I am speechless.  Again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 24, 2021, 06:13:37 PM
Quote from: Myster on August 24, 2021, 04:26:04 PM
Why have they all got big phalluses for noses?... Some weird ess-aitch-eye-tea going on in his deluded bonce right there.


It's a cartoon. Features get exaggerated. I wouldn't read anything into it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 24, 2021, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 24, 2021, 03:27:26 PM
It's most unusual behaviour, a bit serial killer-y.

Who's he murdered then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 24, 2021, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: Myster on August 24, 2021, 04:26:04 PM
Why have they all got big phalluses for noses?... Some weird ess-aitch-eye-tea going on in his deluded bonce right there.


D**k heads.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 24, 2021, 06:20:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 24, 2021, 06:17:33 PM

D**k heads.

Good One.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 24, 2021, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 24, 2021, 06:17:01 PM
Who's he murdered then.
loads of people I bet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 24, 2021, 06:55:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 24, 2021, 04:11:12 PM
With yellow hair?

Well we all perceive things differently! 

I see the character with the question mark being one of CB's criminal assoicates eyeing up a little inducement!  And the clairvoyant being female with a hole in her stocking and a droopy bust pushed to either side to access her ball!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 24, 2021, 07:54:39 PM
it will be interesting to see if this is confirmed in the documentary..


In a new documentary, The Maddie McCann Case, Wolters said: "I never said that we couldn't prosecute him.

"We have no pressure at the moment. It looks like he will be in custody for the next few years. That means - he won't run away from us. We will take the time we need."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 24, 2021, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 24, 2021, 06:13:37 PM

It's a cartoon. Features get exaggerated. I wouldn't read anything into it.

Not even the long arm of the law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 24, 2021, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on August 24, 2021, 07:54:39 PM
it will be interesting to see if this is confirmed in the documentary..


In a new documentary, The Maddie McCann Case, Wolters said: "I never said that we couldn't prosecute him.

"We have no pressure at the moment. It looks like he will be in custody for the next few years. That means - he won't run away from us. We will take the time we need."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15950597/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-jail-cartoons/

Begs the question why the MET requires a further 350k?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 24, 2021, 08:41:47 PM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 24, 2021, 08:39:24 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15950597/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-jail-cartoons/

Begs the question why the MET requires a further 350k?
Could be lots of reasons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 25, 2021, 06:01:23 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 24, 2021, 06:48:33 PM
loads of people I bet.
Flights of fancy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2021, 08:02:04 AM
I think the statement by Wolters.. If confirmed... Shows the investigation into CB  is progressing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 09:15:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 25, 2021, 08:02:04 AM
I think the statement by Wolters.. If confirmed... Shows the investigation into CB  is progressing

Why do you think the MET requires further funding to the tune of 350k?  Do you think the MET is funding the German investigation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 25, 2021, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 09:15:24 AM
Why do you think the MET requires further funding to the tune of 350k?  Do you think the MET is funding the German investigation?
If the Met is working on the case with the Germans then it stands to reason there will be costs involved on their dide, no great mystery is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2021, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 09:15:24 AM
Why do you think the MET requires further funding to the tune of 350k?  Do you think the MET is funding the German investigation?

No... But CB may well have links to Paedo groups in the uk
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 25, 2021, 09:35:27 AM
No... But CB may well have links to Paedo groups in the uk

And how might such individuals be involved in the disappearance of MM?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2021, 10:12:23 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 10:05:19 AM
And how might such individuals be involved in the disappearance of MM?

its not really worth discussing such an unimportant point .....Im happy to wait for Wolters. As Ive said he seems totally credible to me...and time will tell. The statemnet yesterday in the press...if confirmed in the video....tells us exactly whats going on
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 10:24:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 25, 2021, 10:12:23 AM
its not really worth discussing such an unimportant point .....Im happy to wait for Wolters. As Ive said he seems totally credible to me...and time will tell. The statemnet yesterday in the press...if confirmed in the video....tells us exactly whats going on

How much time?  Its nearly 15 months since his first proclaims and afaik CB hasn't even been interviewed. 

Is The Sun quoting HCW from his input into MWT's production?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 25, 2021, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 10:24:33 AM
How much time?  Its nearly 15 months since his first proclaims and afaik CB hasn't even been interviewed. 

Is The Sun quoting HCW from his input into MWT's production?

Are you aware of what wloters said...makes perfect sense as to why CB hasnt been interviewed......its taken from an upcoming  video ...not sure which one
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 25, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 25, 2021, 09:35:27 AM
No... But CB may well have links to Paedo groups in the uk

Really?

What makes you think that?

How familiar are you with UK paedo groups & their membership?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 10:31:15 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 25, 2021, 09:17:07 AM
If the Met is working on the case with the Germans then it stands to reason there will be costs involved on their dide, no great mystery is it?

350k seems pretty hefty.

MET general fees and charges for 2021/22:

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/force-content/met/advice/met-general-fees-charges.pdf
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 25, 2021, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 10:31:15 AM
350k seems pretty hefty.

MET general fees and charges for 2021/22:

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/force-content/met/advice/met-general-fees-charges.pdf

They're on the brink of busting that massive paedophile ring.

Determined to put an end to all these child abductions that are blighting Portugal & the UK.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 25, 2021, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 10:31:15 AM
350k seems pretty hefty.

MET general fees and charges for 2021/22:

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/force-content/met/advice/met-general-fees-charges.pdf
Funny that, usually when they've been awarded similar sums in the past, sceptics here and elsewhere have derided the amount as only being enough to pay for two men and a dog (and not even a cadaver dog at that!) and only being spent to keep up appearances, not for any actual investigative work.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 25, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
Here is part 1 of Bild tv (released yesterday).
https://www.bild.de/video/clip/video/fall-maddie-mccann-was-steckt-hinter-dieser-wirren-knast-zeichnung-77474078.bild.html#%23%23wt_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&wt_t=1629886339806
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 25, 2021, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 25, 2021, 10:31:15 AM
350k seems pretty hefty.

MET general fees and charges for 2021/22:

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/force-content/met/advice/met-general-fees-charges.pdf

Depends on how long it has to last. Salaries for 3 constables & a sergeant would come to less than £200,000 for a year + dog food.

How the money is allocated is never specified.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 25, 2021, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 25, 2021, 11:27:36 AM
Depends on how long it has to last. Salaries for 3 constables & a sergeant would come to less than £200,000 for a year + dog food.

How the money is allocated is never specified.
I believe it is mainly used for gold membership at the PdL golf club, scuba and paragliding lessons and the balance is sent to the McCanns bank account. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 25, 2021, 03:08:41 PM
From today.
https://www.newsdaily.com.ng/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-begs-to-be-transferred-to-new-jail-after-violent-inmates-threaten-to-batter-him/?fbclid=IwAR21qvoUrzlu_zD5aintdGhnvvJDx8yYxW6rB8lTP7cZMMW0-LcZ_bChyNA
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on August 25, 2021, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 25, 2021, 03:08:41 PM
From today.
https://www.newsdaily.com.ng/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-begs-to-be-transferred-to-new-jail-after-violent-inmates-threaten-to-batter-him/?fbclid=IwAR21qvoUrzlu_zD5aintdGhnvvJDx8yYxW6rB8lTP7cZMMW0-LcZ_bChyNA

Getting a taste of the fear he subjected his victims to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 25, 2021, 08:48:35 PM
Quote from: Lace on August 25, 2021, 07:27:44 PM
Getting a taste of the fear he subjected his victims to.

Hypothetically speaking - should he be a patsy this is what makes him an ideal candidate, imo. Zero sympathy. His previous guarantees that, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 26, 2021, 07:21:18 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 25, 2021, 08:48:35 PM
Hypothetically speaking - should he be a patsy this is what makes him an ideal candidate, imo. Zero sympathy. His previous guarantees that, imo.
There’s plenty of sympathy for the man on here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 26, 2021, 07:46:21 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 26, 2021, 07:21:18 AM
There’s plenty of sympathy for the man on here.

Well maybe a “UK Justice” forum doesn’t represent your average person? The “sympathy” will be that no-one here wants to see a miscarriage of justice. The longer he’s portrayed as PRIME SUSPECT with tales and photos of his cellar and his garden being dug up. Some will see no smoke without fire and there will be no sympathy for a convicted paedophile and rapist.

They used to say about Winston Sillcott he was no saint, he mat not have killed PC Blakelock but he was a local bad lad so  he was no doubt guilty of something!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 26, 2021, 08:02:01 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 26, 2021, 07:46:21 AM
Well maybe a “UK Justice” forum doesn’t represent your average person? The “sympathy” will be that no-one here wants to see a miscarriage of justice. The longer he’s portrayed as PRIME SUSPECT with tales and photos of his cellar and his garden being dug up. Some will see no smoke without fire and there will be no sympathy for a convicted paedophile and rapist.

They used to say about Winston Sillcott he was no saint, he mat not have killed PC Blakelock but he was a local bad lad so  he was no doubt guilty of something!
It’s funny to me thst those who are so concerned about Brückner being a victim of a miscarriage of justice never worried about the same thing for the McCanns. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 26, 2021, 08:09:01 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 26, 2021, 08:02:01 AM
It’s funny to me thst those who are so concerned about Brückner being a victim of a miscarriage of justice never worried about the same thing for the McCanns.

I despair of those who promote Brueckner's rights while totally failing to recognise the hypocrisy of what has been done for over fourteen years to the McCann's rights.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 26, 2021, 08:16:50 AM
Are there rules for who's rights should be supported & who's shouldn't?

I don't remember seeing them anywhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 26, 2021, 08:34:38 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 26, 2021, 08:02:01 AM
It’s funny to me thst those who are so concerned about Brückner being a victim of a miscarriage of justice never worried about the same thing for the McCanns.

And vice versa surely…. I would imagine that it’s all down to whether you believe someone is being framed or not. It seems to be on this forum that the personal insults and apparent irrational rage are worse on one side of the partisan divide.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 26, 2021, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 26, 2021, 08:16:50 AM
Are there rules for who's rights should be supported & who's shouldn't?

I don't remember seeing them anywhere.

Any minute now.  You are an irrelevance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 27, 2021, 07:09:48 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 26, 2021, 08:09:01 AM
I despair of those who promote Brueckner's rights while totally failing to recognise the hypocrisy of what has been done for over fourteen years to the McCann's rights.
Madeleine who ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 27, 2021, 10:06:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 27, 2021, 07:09:48 AM
Madeleine who ?

When Madeleine McCann was three years old she vanished from her bed while on holiday with her family in Praia da Luz and as far as is known hasn't been seen since.

The co-ordinator of the search for her gave up looking for her and instead immediately started making up stories about her (difficult child) and her parents instead.
His friend Cristovao had led the way by writing best selling books about missing children.  His latest being "The Star of Joana" to be closely followed by "The star of Madeleine".
So the precedent was set for disregarding the missing child and setting up the mother as a patsy while gathering 'materials' for the best selling TRUTH of the LIE.

The thing is though that the holiday resort from which Madeleine disappeared was host to many burglars - petty criminals and paedophiles.

One of whom was Brueckner.

Brueckner was on the Portuguese police radar.
We know this because the man who was heading up the search for Madeleine but as it turned out was really gathering material for his book instead - unashamedly told us so.
Goncalo Amaral put it into the public domain that known paedophile Brueckner was visited by the Portuguese police after Madeleine disappeared.  But when they knocked at his door, he wasn't in and they left never to go back.  That was it.

Many years down the line investigators discovered that Brueckner's phone was active in Luz when Madeleine disappeared.

That information was available in the cell dump in the hands of the Portuguese police in 2007.  Who also had the information from their files that Brueckner was worth a visit in 2007.
That was information which required to be co-ordinated in 2007.  The co-ordinator heading the team investigating Madeleine's disappearance was Goncalo Amaral who was too busy co-ordinating material against Madeleine's parents to be bothered with real criminals.  The McCann phone records were given the works while known criminals like Brueckner were ignored.

"Madeleine who" is the little girl the Policia Judiciaria failed to look for right from the start.  She is the little girl whose investigation was botched by the Policia Judiciaria.  She is the little girl the Portuguese officially stopped looking for less than a year after her disappearance.
She is the little girl whose parents were left to their own devices looking for her for many years.

The information was available to the Portuguese in 2007 to legitimately make Brueckner a person of interest to the Portuguese police - which they did.

He could have been ruled in or he could have been ruled out back in 2007 by the investigation led by Goncalo Amaral who didn't bother then.

But who sure is bothering now by championing Brueckner every step of the way ever since he leaked confidential information about him into the public domain late 2019.
Amaral is doing everything in his power to interfere in the German case.  He didn't bother in 2007 - why is he bothering now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:41:53 AM
From Jon Clarke.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15986828/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-lair-shallow-grave/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 28, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:41:53 AM
From Jon Clarke.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15986828/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-lair-shallow-grave/

Shallow grave - is that perhaps where to dog was buried with a cache of pornography ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 28, 2021, 09:16:52 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:41:53 AM
From Jon Clarke.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15986828/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-lair-shallow-grave/

'FEAR FACTORY My journey to the heart of darkness'


Thank God we have investigative reporters like this, exposing disused box factories & empty beer cans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 28, 2021, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:41:53 AM
From Jon Clarke.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15986828/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-lair-shallow-grave/

Interesting, current information in the article.  Well worth a read and some thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 28, 2021, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 28, 2021, 09:27:54 AM
Interesting, current information in the article.  Well worth a read and some thought.

It's sensationalist shite.

The extent of this information, well worth the read, is that he went to an empty building, didn't find anything there & then spoke to a Prosecutor.

'journey into the heart of darkness'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 28, 2021, 09:47:08 AM
The fact that he was able to go to this site suggests that it is not considered a crime scene by German authorities - unless he entered illegally.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2021, 09:56:32 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 28, 2021, 09:47:08 AM
The fact that he was able to go to this site suggests that it is not considered a crime scene by German authorities - unless he entered illegally.

From what Wolters has said it isnt a crime scene
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 28, 2021, 09:58:20 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 28, 2021, 09:47:08 AM
The fact that he was able to go to this site suggests that it is not considered a crime scene by German authorities - unless he entered illegally.

They've already been there at least twice, found his porn stash & dead dog but crucially they didn't collect some old surgical scissors from the boot of a knackered Renault or seize the crusty mattress & broken sunglasses.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 28, 2021, 10:00:13 AM
Quote from: Davel on August 28, 2021, 09:56:32 AM
From what Wolters has said it isnt a crime scene

But it is the place they found the photo of Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 28, 2021, 10:53:05 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 28, 2021, 10:00:13 AM
But it is the place they found the photo of Maddie.

Have you got a link to that claim?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 28, 2021, 11:11:12 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 28, 2021, 10:53:05 AM
Have you got a link to that claim?

I think Spammy was being facetious.  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 28, 2021, 11:13:56 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 28, 2021, 09:27:54 AM
Interesting, current information in the article.  Well worth a read and some thought.

Who knew the Sun could provide such a thought provoking article, or there again........
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 28, 2021, 11:18:10 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 28, 2021, 09:16:52 AM
'FEAR FACTORY My journey to the heart of darkness'


Thank God we have investigative reporters like this, exposing disused box factories & empty beer cans.


There again a certain house in Cromwell street Gloucester was raised to the ground to stop ghoul tours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 28, 2021, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 28, 2021, 11:18:10 AM

There again a certain house in Cromwell street Gloucester was raised to the ground to stop ghoul tours.
*razed*  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 04:20:32 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 28, 2021, 09:27:54 AM
Interesting, current information in the article.  Well worth a read and some thought.

It happened in June, and is an extract from (and advert for imo) Clarke's forthcoming book "My Search For Madeleine" available next week on Amazon.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 28, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 04:20:32 PM
It happened in June, and is an extract from (and advert for imo) Clarke's forthcoming book "My Search For Madeleine" available next week on Amazon.

So!!!  It is an interesting article and the information it contains is certainly more current than the few months in 2007 when disinformation was the name of the game.
Perhaps his book might be worth a read too if it comes to that. 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 28, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
So!!!  It is an interesting article and the information it contains is certainly more current than the few months in 2007 when disinformation was the name of the game.
Perhaps his book might be worth a read too if it comes to that. 😁

I'm afraid I see Clarke as someone who is no stranger to providing disinformation. He said;

"When I arrived at about 11.45am I was firstly able to walk into the apartment, where I introduced myself to the McCanns and told them I would do everything I could to help."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9191.msg448951#msg448951

1. The apartment was not open to random journalists
2. The McCanns weren't in there
3. The McCanns were in Portimao, not Praia da Luz at 11.45; in fact Gerry was giving his statement to the PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 28, 2021, 06:32:36 PM
Inventive journalism as opposed to investigative journalism  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 28, 2021, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 05:30:39 PM
I'm afraid I see Clarke as someone who is no stranger to providing disinformation. He said;

"When I arrived at about 11.45am I was firstly able to walk into the apartment, where I introduced myself to the McCanns and told them I would do everything I could to help."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9191.msg448951#msg448951

1. The apartment was not open to random journalists
2. The McCanns weren't in there
3. The McCanns were in Portimao, not Praia da Luz at 11.45; in fact Gerry was giving his statement to the PJ.

Jon Clarke certainly seems to be a guy who has rattled a few sceptic cages over the years who regularly accuse him of lying.

A paedophile took Madeleine McCann, not her parents - Olive Press News Spain (theolivepress.es)
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2017/05/11/madeleine-mccann-olive-press-editor-talks-first-journalist-scene-10th-anniversary-disappearance/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 28, 2021, 07:19:03 PM
Gosh, it must be true then, if he says so  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on August 28, 2021, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 05:30:39 PM
I'm afraid I see Clarke as someone who is no stranger to providing disinformation. He said;

"When I arrived at about 11.45am I was firstly able to walk into the apartment, where I introduced myself to the McCanns and told them I would do everything I could to help."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9191.msg448951#msg448951

1. The apartment was not open to random journalists
2. The McCanns weren't in there
3. The McCanns were in Portimao, not Praia da Luz at 11.45; in fact Gerry was giving his statement to the PJ.

Typical journalist indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 28, 2021, 07:35:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 28, 2021, 11:11:12 AM
I think Spammy was being facetious.  8(0(*
Surely not??!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 28, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 05:30:39 PM
I'm afraid I see Clarke as someone who is no stranger to providing disinformation. He said;

"When I arrived at about 11.45am I was firstly able to walk into the apartment, where I introduced myself to the McCanns and told them I would do everything I could to help."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9191.msg448951#msg448951

1. The apartment was not open to random journalists
2. The McCanns weren't in there
3. The McCanns were in Portimao, not Praia da Luz at 11.45; in fact Gerry was giving his statement to the PJ.
Yes Peter Mac wrote a whole scathig blog post about “disgraced” journo Jon Clarke.  I’m sure his disgrace was just in the eyes  of a few online numpties though, to be more accurate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:15:14 PM
“A SIM card found at Christian’s box factory was linked to a British ­holidaymaker whose apartment in the Ocean Club, from where Maddie disappeared, was robbed during a holiday in Praia Da Luz”.

This may be significant (?)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 28, 2021, 08:19:48 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:15:14 PM
“A SIM card found at Christian’s box factory was linked to a British ­holidaymaker whose apartment in the Ocean Club, from where Maddie disappeared, was robbed during a holiday in Praia Da Luz”.

This may be significant (?)

May it ?
I suppose it would depend on when this occurred. It's no secret that he lived in PDL and burgled  properties in the area.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 28, 2021, 08:23:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 28, 2021, 08:19:48 PM
May it ?
I suppose it would depend on when this occurred. It's no secret that he lived in PDL and burgled  properties in the area.


Ah, but its reckoned is it not he (CB) has images of Madeleine, now if it was on another sim but not his.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:24:21 PM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/08/28/maddie-mccann-from-portugal-to-spain-and-germany-the-search-goes-on/?fbclid=IwAR0_1Z7KJVY-KMyY_7TddsP15gDEQX5WW-Gika-6venUeFL2xSid8wUXQmI
Clarke’s book.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 28, 2021, 08:27:58 PM
Dear me, someone else trying to make money on the back of Madeleine's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 28, 2021, 08:19:48 PM
May it ?
I suppose it would depend on when this occurred. It's no secret that he lived in PDL and burgled  properties in the area.
Indeed. It places Brückner at the Ocean Club, irrespective when.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:30:18 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 28, 2021, 08:27:58 PM
Dear me, someone else trying to make money on the back of Madeleine's disappearance.
Disgraced cop also comes to mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 28, 2021, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 28, 2021, 08:27:58 PM
Dear me, someone else trying to make money on the back of Madeleine's disappearance.

The gift that keeps giving.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 28, 2021, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:28:04 PM
Indeed. It places Brückner at the Ocean Club, irrespective when.

It places some one, evidence of it being CB please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:35:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 28, 2021, 08:33:23 PM
It places some one, evidence of it being CB please.
Kindly explain what you mean.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 28, 2021, 08:37:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 28, 2021, 08:33:23 PM
It places some one, evidence of it being CB please.
it was his phone.  Evidence that he lent his phone out please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 28, 2021, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:30:18 PM
Disgraced cop also comes to mind.

merely one of many
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 28, 2021, 08:38:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:30:18 PM
Disgraced cop also comes to mind.

Presume you mean Amaral which is the default anti christ to supporters, has he travelled to Germany in search of the heart of darkness.

Still yet more crap coming out, its all Amaral's fault apparently, did you write the piece Anthro ?


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15992571/madeleine-mccann-cops-hope-suspect-christian-crack-tougher-jail/


But recent revelations about blunders in the initial investigation into Christian, and comments by Goncalo Amaral, the former chief-cop who led the original Maddie case, have driven a “huge wedge” between them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 28, 2021, 08:40:09 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:35:34 PM
Kindly explain what you mean.

When was this supposed sim found ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 28, 2021, 08:40:09 PM
When was this supposed sim found ?
Of course I don’t know Barrier. Please desist from making assumptions about me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 28, 2021, 09:10:50 PM
So  to recap, sim card once owned by PDL holidaymaker found in factory owned by Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 28, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
Yes Peter Mac wrote a whole scathig blog post about “disgraced” journo Jon Clarke.  I’m sure his disgrace was just in the eyes  of a few online numpties though, to be more accurate.

Do you think Clarke's account of his arrival in Praia da Luz on 4th May was truthful?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 09:26:03 PM
Brückner’s ‘box factory’ at Neuwegersleben has graffiti on the walls. It is similar to his handwriting recently sent to the media by him. The drawing of a girl with MM written above it has reference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 28, 2021, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 09:12:13 PM
Do you think Clarke's account of his arrival in Praia da Luz on 4th May was truthful?
Yes, if not completely accurate to the last detail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 28, 2021, 09:30:19 PM
Yes, if not completely accurate to the last detail.

 @)(++(* His time of arrival might have been correct.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 10:09:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 09:12:13 PM
Do you think Clarke's account of his arrival in Praia da Luz on 4th May was truthful?
Why are you questioning this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 10:34:07 PM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 10:09:39 PM
Why are you questioning this?

Jon Clarke tells a good story, but not necessarily a true one. He did not introduce himself to the McCanns in apartment 5A or any other Ocean Club apartment at 11.45 on 4th May 2007 as he claimed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 28, 2021, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 09:39:45 PM
@)(++(* His time of arrival might have been correct.  @)(++(*
@)(++(* wot?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 28, 2021, 10:55:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 10:34:07 PM
Jon Clarke tells a good story, but not necessarily a true one. He did not introduce himself to the McCanns in apartment 5A or any other Ocean Club apartment at 11.45 on 4th May 2007 as he claimed.
what time was it then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 11:27:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 28, 2021, 10:55:47 PM
what time was it then?

It didn't happen. Face facts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 28, 2021, 11:42:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 11:27:44 PM
It didn't happen. Face facts.

What didn't happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 29, 2021, 12:38:05 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 28, 2021, 11:42:19 PM
What didn't happen.

"When I arrived at about 11.45am I was firstly able to walk into the apartment, where I introduced myself to the McCanns and told them I would do everything I could to help."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9191.msg448951#msg448951
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2021, 12:56:43 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 29, 2021, 12:38:05 AM
"When I arrived at about 11.45am I was firstly able to walk into the apartment, where I introduced myself to the McCanns and told them I would do everything I could to help."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9191.msg448951#msg448951

Yes ... you appear to have posted that link to a previous post of mine before.  Again I ask you ~ What didn't happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 29, 2021, 02:02:57 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 29, 2021, 12:56:43 AM
Yes ... you appear to have posted that link to a previous post of mine before.  Again I ask you ~ What didn't happen.

What Jon Clarke describes didn't happen. The McCanns weren't in PdL at 11.45am on 4th May.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2021, 02:32:10 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 29, 2021, 02:02:57 AM
What Jon Clarke describes didn't happen. The McCanns weren't in PdL at 11.45am on 4th May.

WOW!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2021, 07:13:40 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:55:50 PM
Of course I don’t know Barrier. Please desist from making assumptions about me.
Then why raise a question of its significance of your're not willing to expand on it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 28, 2021, 11:27:44 PM
It didn't happen. Face facts.
Prove it didn’t happen, at any time on any day.  You’re basically calling this man a liar.  I shall send him a link to this thread asd ask him to join the discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2021, 08:59:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
Prove it didn’t happen, at any time on any day.  You’re basically calling this man a liar.  I shall send him a link to this thread asd ask him to join the discussion.

I must admit to sketchy knowledge about Jon Clarke.  Very recent googling has revealed that he is a great bogey man on the majority of the stupid internet blogs.

Absolutely incredible!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 09:06:25 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
Prove it didn’t happen, at any time on any day.  You’re basically calling this man a liar.  I shall send him a link to this thread asd ask him to join the discussion.

Witness Statement

Gerald Patrick McCann

Date: 2007/05/04

Time 11.15

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 09:07:49 AM


So Gerry did his statement super quick at 11:15 & then rushed back to the apartment to meet Jon Clarke at 11:45.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 09:08:01 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 29, 2021, 08:59:14 AM
I must admit to sketchy knowledge about Jon Clarke.  Very recent googling has revealed that he is a great bogey man on the majority of the stupid internet blogs.

Absolutely incredible!
He would of course be sainted had he so much as once voiced a smidge of suspicion about the McCanns.  He will I’m sure be interested to know that a moderator of this forum is calling him a liar though it’s unlikely he will lower himself to join the discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 09:13:04 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 09:07:49 AM

So Gerry did his statement super quick at 11:15 & then rushed back to the apartment to meet Jon Clarke at 11:45.
What time did the McCanns leave their apartment that morning?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 09:14:23 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 09:13:04 AM
What time did the McCanns leave their apartment that morning?

Before 11.15 obviously.

So Jon Clarke couldn't have met them at 11.45.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2021, 09:16:31 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 09:08:01 AM
He would of course be sainted had he so much as once voiced a smidge of suspicion about the McCanns.  He will I’m sure be interested to know that a moderator of this forum is calling him a liar though it’s unlikely he will lower himself to join the discussion.

He has dared to write a book sceptics obviously do not like.  Incredibly amongst their objections is their opinion he is 'cashing in' on Madeleine!!!
You really could not make these people and their double standards up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 10:05:38 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 09:14:23 AM
Before 11.15 obviously.

So Jon Clarke couldn't have met them at 11.45.
I understand there is a one hour time difference brtween Spain and Portugal with Spain being ahead by one hour,  Jon Clarke is based in Spain.  Could he have met them at 10.45 am and his watch said 11.45am?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2021, 10:29:17 AM
Quote from: Anthro on August 28, 2021, 08:55:50 PM
Of course I don’t know Barrier. Please desist from making assumptions about me.

You posed the question could it be significant, thought you might like to expand on it .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 10:31:04 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 10:05:38 AM
I understand there is a one hour time difference brtween Spain and Portugal with Spain being ahead by one hour,  Jon Clarke is based in Spain.  Could he have met them at 10.45 am and his watch said 11.45am?

It's a 26 min drive to Portimao according google.

The McCanns probably would have left by 10:45 in order for Gerry's statement to start at 11:15.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 29, 2021, 10:36:42 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 10:31:04 AM
It's a 26 min drive to Portimao according google.

The McCanns probably would have left by 10:45 in order for Gerry's statement to start at 11:15.

Probably 10:30 to account for any delays, parking etc.

Is the meeting with Jon Clarke mentioned in Gerry's blog later when he started it, or is the meeting in Kate's book?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 10:40:28 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 10:31:04 AM
It's a 26 min drive to Portimao according google.

The McCanns probably would have left by 10:45 in order for Gerry's statement to start at 11:15.
So he could have met them shortly before they left give or take 10 minutes.  And we know the police drove like demons so probably only took them 20 mins to get there anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 29, 2021, 10:36:42 AM
Probably 10:30 to account for any delays, parking etc.

Is the meeting with Jon Clarke mentioned in Gerry's blog later when he started it, or is the meeting in Kate's book?
Why on earth would he mention a passing greeting from a journo?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 29, 2021, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 10:05:38 AM
I understand there is a one hour time difference brtween Spain and Portugal with Spain being ahead by one hour,  Jon Clarke is based in Spain.  Could he have met them at 10.45 am and his watch said 11.45am?

In Kate's book she says the PJ took her and Gerry to Portimao om May 4th at 10am and they didn't leave until 7:30pm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 29, 2021, 10:55:33 AM
In Kate's book she says the PJ took her and Gerry to Portimao om May 4th at 10am and they didn't leave until 7:30pm.

Does she mention meeting journalists in the apartment that morning?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 29, 2021, 12:06:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 10:40:28 AM
So he could have met them shortly before they left give or take 10 minutes.  And we know the police drove like demons so probably only took them 20 mins to get there anyway.

She doesn’t mention it despite the detail on everything else they did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 29, 2021, 12:06:58 PM
She doesn’t mention it despite the detail on everything else they did.
Does she mention the names and details of all her other encounters with journalists in the days after the disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on August 29, 2021, 10:55:33 AM
In Kate's book she says the PJ took her and Gerry to Portimao om May 4th at 10am and they didn't leave until 7:30pm.
If she and Jon Clarke had realised how critical their mutual encounter was going to prove to people on the internet 14 years later maybe they should have considered getting their stories straight from the beginning, or at least synchronised their watches.  Still it has given you something to wag a finger at this morning, so that’s nice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 12:16:19 PM
If she and Jon Clarke had realised how critical their mutual encounter was going to prove to people on the internet 14 years later maybe they should have considered getting their stories straight from the beginning, or at least synchronised their watches.  Still it has given you something to wag a finger at this morning, so that’s nice.

Win , win, all round, gives you something to reply to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 12:30:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 29, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Win , win, all round, gives you something to reply to.
and you too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 12:43:29 PM

Well hopefully he'll accept your invite to join the forum & he can put the matter straight.

In the mean time we are quite at liberty to say his description of events is bullshit, since that's what the evidence suggests.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 01:00:35 PM
Yvonne Martin, sceptics’ sweetheart says this in her statement re: 4th May

At this point, Kate told her that her daughter had already been missing for 13 hours. It was around 10 in the morning.
• Meanwhile a fourth individual came towards the group and identified himself as a journalist. The deponent alerted the couple to the type of declarations that they would transmit and that it would be better for them to maintain silence.

Who was that then, and why did Kate not mention it in her book?  Mysterious….hmmm….
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 01:15:06 PM

Because she found it strange that Kate told her that her daughter had been taken by a couple, she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that she could speak to her with more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they (Y and K) should enter the apartment, Kate aggressively rejected this idea and told her that they could speak on the street.


The witness then asked whether anyone from the Medical Centre had been with Kate as she was very agitated and needed some support, she was told they hadn't.

At this point, Kate told her that her daughter had disappeared 13 hours ago. It was about 10 in the morning.

............

The interaction with Yvonne Martin took place on the street, so this journalist can't be Jon Clarke, since he said he walked into the apartment at 11:45.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 01:25:05 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 01:15:06 PM
Because she found it strange that Kate told her that her daughter had been taken by a couple, she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that she could speak to her with more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they (Y and K) should enter the apartment, Kate aggressively rejected this idea and told her that they could speak on the street.


The witness then asked whether anyone from the Medical Centre had been with Kate as she was very agitated and needed some support, she was told they hadn't.

At this point, Kate told her that her daughter had disappeared 13 hours ago. It was about 10 in the morning.

............

The interaction with Yvonne Martin took place on the street, so this journalist can't be Jon Clarke, since he said he walked into the apartment at 11:45.
But why didn’t Kate mention it in her book, when obviously she mentioned every other single detail of what happened that morning?  And who was he, if not Jon Clarke?  Come on, this is important stuff!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 01:33:15 PM

In the bit where she says:

'she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that she could speak to her with more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they (Y and K) should enter the apartment, Kate aggressively rejected this idea and told her that they could speak on the street.'

It's obvious this interaction didn't take place in the apartment, Yvonne wouldn't be suggesting they enter the apartment if they were already in it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 01:41:21 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 01:33:15 PM
In the bit where she says:

'she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that she could speak to her with more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they (Y and K) should enter the apartment, Kate aggressively rejected this idea and told her that they could speak on the street.'

It's obvious this interaction didn't take place in the apartment, Yvonne wouldn't be suggesting they enter the apartment if they were already in it.
But in one of her statements she says she meets the McCanns at 9am and in her later statement she says it was 9.30am she arrived in Luz so clearly the woman’s testimony cannot be trusted one little bit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 01:52:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 01:41:21 PM
But in one of her statements she says she meets the McCanns at 9am and in her later statement she says it was 9.30am she arrived in Luz so clearly the woman’s testimony cannot be trusted one little bit.

Ok, maybe Yvonne was stood inside the apartment & hadn't noticed she was when Kate declined to speak privately in the apartment.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 01:52:51 PM
Ok, maybe Yvonne was stood inside the apartment & hadn't noticed she was when Kate declined to speak privately in the apartment.
Maybe like Jon Clarke she made up the entire incident.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 01:54:27 PM
Maybe like Jon Clarke she made up the entire incident.

Yeah, I don't believe she was even in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 01:57:53 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 01:56:21 PM
Yeah, I don't believe she was even in Portugal.
Yeah, I don’t believe she even exists.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 02:00:00 PM
I’d like someone to tell me the name of the journalist The alleged Yvonne Martin alleges introdced himself to the McCanns at alleged.y 9am that morning though.  Any other journo claimed to be first on the scene?  Post his name here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 02:08:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 02:00:00 PM
I’d like someone to tell me the name of the journalist The alleged Yvonne Martin alleges introdced himself to the McCanns at alleged.y 9am that morning though.  Any other journo claimed to be first on the scene?  Post his name here.

Well it definitely wasn't Jon Clarke, because he met the McCanns inside the apartment at 11:45, when the McCanns were 20 miles away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 02:08:42 PM
Well it definitely wasn't Jon Clarke, because he met the McCanns inside the apartment at 11:45, when the McCanns were 20 miles away.
It was Jon Clarke though wasn’t it?  Apparently he has even been accused by trolls like yourself of being involved in the abduction as he was first on the scene.  No other journo has ever claimed to have been there that early to the best of my knowledge.  Therefore I think it’s safe to assume it was him, and he just misremembered the time.  Maybe after Yvonne Martin was kicked out of the way the Mccanns allowed him to come into the apartment briefly before they left for the police station.  Who knows and does it really matter?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 02:17:59 PM
It was Jon Clarke though wasn’t it?  Apparently he has even been accused by trolls like yourself of being involved in the abduction as he was first on the scene.  No other journo has ever claimed to have been there that early to the best of my knowledge.  Therefore I think it’s safe to assume it was him, and he just misremembered the time.  Maybe after Yvonne Martin was kicked out of the way the Mccanns allowed him to come into the apartment briefly before they left for the police station.  Who knows and does it really matter?

Was it?

Were the McCanns just allowing journalists & random women to waltz into the apartment before they left for the police station?

I'd never even heard of him until his informative piece on Brueckner's old mattress & scissors, but if he is getting trolled online then obviously I give that my full support.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 02:25:43 PM
Was it?

Were the McCanns just allowing journalists & random women to waltz into the apartment before they left for the police station?

I'd never even heard of him until his informative piece on Brueckner's old mattress & scissors, but if he is getting trolled online then obviously I give that my full support.
My oh my, you’re obviously not reading the right blogs.  Jon Clarke has been the subject of numerous choleric and vituperative (and imo slightly unhinged) blog posts of thousands of words written to expose his “lies” and paint the man as “disgraced”.  Sadly the author of this blog appears to be pissing in the wind as Clarke continues to ply his trade as a journalist working for national tabloids as well as his own paper and appearing on major tv documentaries such as the Netflix series on the case.  This obviously causes huge amounts of incandescent, jealous frothing in the sceptic camp as despite their best efforts the man clearly remains a journalist and an undisgraced one at that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 02:45:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 02:36:27 PM
My oh my, you’re obviously not reading the right blogs.  Jon Clarke has been the subject of numerous choleric and vituperative (and imo slightly unhinged) blog posts of thousands of words written to expose his “lies” and paint the man as “disgraced”.  Sadly the author of this blog appears to be pissing in the wind as Clarke continues to ply his trade as a journalist working for national tabloids as well as his own paper and appearing on major tv documentaries such as the Netflix series on the case.  This obviously causes huge amounts of incandescent, jealous frothing in the sceptic camp as despite their best efforts the man clearly remains a journalist and an undisgraced one at that.

It's all a matter of opinion, personally I'm not surprised he gets work with the media since he appears to parrot the narrative of paedophile gangs being involved in Madeleine's disappearance, despite the absence of evidence paedophile gangs are involved in Madeleine's disappearance.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 29, 2021, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 02:25:43 PM
Was it?

Were the McCanns just allowing journalists & random women to waltz into the apartment before they left for the police station?

I'd never even heard of him until his informative piece on Brueckner's old mattress & scissors, but if he is getting trolled online then obviously I give that my full support.

Me neither. Clearly we don't have our fingers on the pulse of mcCann-related activity  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 29, 2021, 02:47:19 PM
Me neither. Clearly we don't have our fingers on the pulse of mcCann-related activity  8(0(*

I'm not familiar with many pro or sceptic blogs at all tbh.

I used to visit McCannFiles before that disappeared & when I fancied a laugh I'd visit the candles website,
or MadeleineMythsExposed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
I'm not familiar with many pro or sceptic blogs at all tbh.

I used to visit McCannFiles before that disappeared & when I fancied a laugh I'd visit the candles website,
or MadeleineMythsExposed, Which can unfortunately be read as 'Madeleine Myth Sex Posed' & now I can't unsee it.
If you want a real laugh you should read CMOMM, they’re all clearly bonkers imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2021, 03:50:35 PM
One minute the guy wants out to another gaff fearing for his life, the next he's being entertained alongside the same ones he's scared of, couldn't make it up, oh! wait a minute its the the sun so gotta be true.




THE prime suspect in the case of missing Madeleine McCann is being treated to a horrific murder movie at a film festival in jail.

Christian B, 44, will be among inmates rubbing shoulders with paying members of the public.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994425/madeleine-mccann-suspect-murder-movie-prison/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2021, 03:53:55 PM
From the Sun yesterday.

 The convicted pervert, who German investigators believe murdered Madeleine in 2007, is currently locked up in solitary confinement at Oldenburg prison near Bremen and begging to be moved.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15992571/madeleine-mccann-cops-hope-suspect-christian-crack-tougher-jail/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 04:13:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 29, 2021, 03:50:35 PM
One minute the guy wants out to another gaff fearing for his life, the next he's being entertained alongside the same ones he's scared of, couldn't make it up, oh! wait a minute its the the sun so gotta be true.




THE prime suspect in the case of missing Madeleine McCann is being treated to a horrific murder movie at a film festival in jail.

Christian B, 44, will be among inmates rubbing shoulders with paying members of the public.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994425/madeleine-mccann-suspect-murder-movie-prison/
that film sounds right up Spam’s street.  Maybe he could attend - he might get the opportunity to sit next to his hero Christian B.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 29, 2021, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 29, 2021, 02:00:00 PM
I’d like someone to tell me the name of the journalist The alleged Yvonne Martin alleges introdced himself to the McCanns at alleged.y 9am that morning though.  Any other journo claimed to be first on the scene?  Post his name here.

Len Port of the Algarve Daily News.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/86june14/LenPort_June2014.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 29, 2021, 04:42:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 29, 2021, 03:50:35 PM
One minute the guy wants out to another gaff fearing for his life, the next he's being entertained alongside the same ones he's scared of, couldn't make it up, oh! wait a minute its the the sun so gotta be true.




THE prime suspect in the case of missing Madeleine McCann is being treated to a horrific murder movie at a film festival in jail.

Christian B, 44, will be among inmates rubbing shoulders with paying members of the public.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994425/madeleine-mccann-suspect-murder-movie-prison/

The Sun does occasionally get things wrong.  @)(++(* Sometimes they even admit it;

https://www.thesun.co.uk/admin/clarifications/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2021, 04:44:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 29, 2021, 04:42:28 PM
The Sun does occasionally get things wrong.  @)(++(* Sometimes they even admit it;

https://www.thesun.co.uk/admin/clarifications/

Oh come on G, a sauce said :“This is sick. It’s disturbing to think anyone would think this is a good idea. To think the man suspected of murdering Madeleine McCann is able to sit down and watch a horror film is chilling.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 29, 2021, 04:47:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 29, 2021, 04:34:12 PM
Len Port of the Algarve Daily News.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/86june14/LenPort_June2014.htm
Fair cop. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2021, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 29, 2021, 04:44:45 PM
Oh come on G, a sauce said :“This is sick. It’s disturbing to think anyone would think this is a good idea. To think the man suspected of murdering Madeleine McCann is able to sit down and watch a horror film is chilling.”

So a prisoner in solitary confinement in Germany is allowed to mix and rub shoulders with all and sundry 😏
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 29, 2021, 04:57:20 PM
So a prisoner in solitary confinement in Germany is allowed to mix and rub shoulders with all and sundry 😏
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

He's in solitary for his own safety, not bad behaviour & I'm a little sceptical that a film festival would be held in the sex offenders wing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 29, 2021, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 05:11:56 PM
He's in solitary for his own safety, not bad behaviour & I'm a little sceptical that a film festival would be held in the sex offenders wing.

Might depend on the type of film shown. Know what I mean , nudge nudge ?  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 29, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 05:11:56 PM
He's in solitary for his own safety, not bad behaviour & I'm a little sceptical that a film festival would be held in the sex offenders wing.

The literary giant produced a thought provoking piece recently .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2021, 05:20:31 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 05:11:56 PM
He's in solitary for his own safety, not bad behaviour & I'm a little sceptical that a film festival would be held in the sex offenders wing.

Absolutely!  There is no sense to locking someone away for their own protection then inviting them to mix with a crowd of people.

Whatever might be going down in the high security prison - I doubt if Brueckner is on the guest list.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 29, 2021, 06:49:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 29, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
The literary giant produced a thought provoking piece recently .

Who would that be then ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 29, 2021, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2021, 05:11:56 PM
He's in solitary for his own safety, not bad behaviour & I'm a little sceptical that a film festival would be held in the sex offenders wing.

It's been held in the prison for several years. For me the screening of a murder film doesn't gel well with German discipline & prisoner rehabilitation.

https://variety.com/2009/film/markets-festivals/oldenburg-to-screen-films-in-prison-1118008504/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/risky-movies-prison-screenings-how-a-german-festival-bucked-system-1034585/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2021, 06:18:43 AM
Quote from: misty on August 29, 2021, 09:59:10 PM
It's been held in the prison for several years. For me the screening of a murder film doesn't gel well with German discipline & prisoner rehabilitation.

https://variety.com/2009/film/markets-festivals/oldenburg-to-screen-films-in-prison-1118008504/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/risky-movies-prison-screenings-how-a-german-festival-bucked-system-1034585/

Yes, I'm not doubting they have a film festival there, just that I doubt tickets are available to prisoners from solitary.

Incidentally, the link says they screened the film 'Crowhurst' about Donald Crowhurst's ill fated round the world yacht attempt, but none of the prisoners broke out & took up sailing, as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 30, 2021, 06:54:16 AM
They'll probably let him have a private screening of The Maestrobator then he can pleasure himself to his heart's content, as is the norm in these broken woken times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2021, 08:55:57 AM


They could put him in the Human Centipede along with the other sex offenders.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 30, 2021, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2021, 08:55:57 AM

They could put him in the Human Centipede along with the other sex offenders.

I have been deeply traumatised all day after reading the synopsis of that film. What sort of mind...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2021, 10:23:22 PM
Quote from: misty on August 30, 2021, 09:49:48 PM
I have been deeply traumatised all day after reading the synopsis of that film. What sort of mind...
Spam seemingly has an appetite for the most depraved movies ever made.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2021, 10:24:40 PM
Quote from: misty on August 30, 2021, 09:49:48 PM
I have been deeply traumatised all day after reading the synopsis of that film. What sort of mind...

I like to share a bit of culture.

I remember when a friend of mine watched the sequel, she was quite disturbed by it for several weeks after.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 30, 2021, 10:39:32 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2021, 10:24:40 PM
I like to share a bit of culture.

I remember when a friend of mine watched the sequel, she was quite disturbed by it for several weeks after.

It sounds like a biological, cultural failure in every sense. I do hope your friend has managed to banish the memories of what she saw.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2021, 07:43:44 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 30, 2021, 10:23:22 PM
Spam seemingly has an appetite for the most depraved movies ever made.

I'm not really much of a film fan tbh, but I saw a rather sick film on the horror channel late one night (I think it was 'Hostel') & it got me thinking....what are the sickest movies ever made?

So I looked them up & then had to watch them all to alleviate my curiosity.

Centipede is actually pretty crap, but it's totally gross & leaves a mental scar & for that very reason I find it has some artistic merit.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 31, 2021, 08:19:45 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2021, 07:43:44 AM
I'm not really much of a film fan tbh, but I saw a rather sick film on the horror channel late one night (I think it was 'Hostel') & it got me thinking....what are the sickest movies ever made?

So I looked them up & then had to watch them all to alleviate my curiosity.

Centipede is actually pretty crap, but it's totally gross & leaves a mental scar & for that very reason I find it has some artistic merit.
your mental scarring has been apparent for some time.  Hope you heal eventually.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on September 02, 2021, 11:31:30 PM
New book

https://www.amazon.es/MY-SEARCH-MADELEINE-Reporters-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B09F85HG7S/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Madeleine+mccann+clarke&qid=1630621749&sr=8-1
 (https://www.amazon.es/MY-SEARCH-MADELEINE-Reporters-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B09F85HG7S/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Madeleine+mccann+clarke&qid=1630621749&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on September 02, 2021, 11:46:03 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on September 02, 2021, 11:31:30 PM
New book

https://www.amazon.es/MY-SEARCH-MADELEINE-Reporters-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B09F85HG7S/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Madeleine+mccann+clarke&qid=1630621749&sr=8-1
 (https://www.amazon.es/MY-SEARCH-MADELEINE-Reporters-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B09F85HG7S/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Madeleine+mccann+clarke&qid=1630621749&sr=8-1)

Thank you for that, Heri.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on September 03, 2021, 02:27:17 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on September 02, 2021, 11:31:30 PM
New book

https://www.amazon.es/MY-SEARCH-MADELEINE-Reporters-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B09F85HG7S/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Madeleine+mccann+clarke&qid=1630621749&sr=8-1
 (https://www.amazon.es/MY-SEARCH-MADELEINE-Reporters-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B09F85HG7S/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Madeleine+mccann+clarke&qid=1630621749&sr=8-1)

It's not available on Kindle/Amazon UK at present. Have you any idea when it will be please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 03, 2021, 07:05:24 AM
Quote from: misty on September 03, 2021, 02:27:17 AM
It's not available on Kindle/Amazon UK at present. Have you any idea when it will be please?
I have also tried to buy the Kindle version, without any success.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on September 03, 2021, 07:08:15 AM
I find this snippet of the preview interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on September 03, 2021, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: Anthro on September 03, 2021, 07:08:15 AM
I find this snippet of the preview interesting.

Murat was interviewed again was he not, as a witness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 03, 2021, 09:46:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on September 03, 2021, 09:25:44 AM
Murat was interviewed again was he not, as a witness.

He was and Grange appear satisfied with the outcome.
The Germans have made no mention of him being of any interest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 03, 2021, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: misty on September 03, 2021, 02:27:17 AM
It's not available on Kindle/Amazon UK at present. Have you any idea when it will be please?

I don't have a Kindle reader but apparently I have bought it and can read it using my laptop.  I just looked at it to check if there was a hard cover available and didn't proceed with the purchase because there wasn't.

It's not in my downloads but I am reading it.  Weird ~ maybe Myster can tell me what's going on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 03, 2021, 11:29:03 AM
I thought it might be free on Kindle unlimited but not so  8(8-))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on September 03, 2021, 11:52:27 AM
Quote from: Brietta on September 03, 2021, 10:49:48 AM
I don't have a Kindle reader but apparently I have bought it and can read it using my laptop.  I just looked at it to check if there was a hard cover available and didn't proceed with the purchase because there wasn't.

It's not in my downloads but I am reading it.  Weird ~ maybe Myster can tell me what's going on.
Where did you buy it from, the Spanish Amazon?  The only one selling it so far...

https://www.amazon.es/MY-SEARCH-MADELEINE-Reporters-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B09F85HG7S/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Madeleine+mccann+clarke&qid=1630621749&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.es/MY-SEARCH-MADELEINE-Reporters-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B09F85HG7S/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Madeleine+mccann+clarke&qid=1630621749&sr=8-1)

This might help you locate where the book (.azw file) is stored on your laptop...

https://www.epubor.com/where-are-kindle-books-stored-on-pcmacandroid.html (https://www.epubor.com/where-are-kindle-books-stored-on-pcmacandroid.html)

I don't use a kindle reader and haven't bought the book either, so that's as much as I know... sorry Brie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 03, 2021, 12:15:35 PM
If you open the Amazon link you can get to a preview which will allow you to read the first couple of chapters - should you wish to do so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on September 03, 2021, 01:06:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on September 03, 2021, 11:29:03 AM
I thought it might be free on Kindle unlimited but not so  8(8-))

Give it a couple of weeks...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 03, 2021, 02:15:52 PM
Quote from: Myster on September 03, 2021, 11:52:27 AM
Where did you buy it from, the Spanish Amazon?  The only one selling it so far...

https://www.amazon.es/MY-SEARCH-MADELEINE-Reporters-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B09F85HG7S/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Madeleine+mccann+clarke&qid=1630621749&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.es/MY-SEARCH-MADELEINE-Reporters-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B09F85HG7S/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Madeleine+mccann+clarke&qid=1630621749&sr=8-1)

This might help you locate where the book (.azw file) is stored on your laptop...

https://www.epubor.com/where-are-kindle-books-stored-on-pcmacandroid.html (https://www.epubor.com/where-are-kindle-books-stored-on-pcmacandroid.html)

I don't use a kindle reader and haven't bought the book either, so that's as much as I know... sorry Brie.

Thanks Myster.

I'll try this out later ~ it looks like a clearly laid out site which looks as if even I will be able to navigate it.

Thank the Lord I was only browsing a book - might have been a lot worse - could have been the proud but shell shocked owner of a Spanish villa just by pressing a button!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on September 05, 2021, 03:33:42 PM
I see we have another non-story in the Mail today.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9958837/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-ex-lover-tells-growing-obsession-girls.html

The 'girls' were young women, rather than small children  and she met him in 2012 in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on September 05, 2021, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: jassi on September 05, 2021, 03:33:42 PM
I see we have another non-story in the Mail today.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9958837/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-ex-lover-tells-growing-obsession-girls.html

The 'girls' were young women, rather than small children  and she met him in 2012 in Germany.

‘He started taking interest in young girls, schoolgirls, who used to come to the kiosk before they went to school. I did not like that.

‘He also started going to swingers’ clubs with friends and some young Croatian girls.’

Her testimony chimes with that given to the MoS last year by Peter Erdmann, a former caretaker who recalled how Brueckner would shower youngsters with toys as they walked to a school barely 100 yards from the kiosk.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=post;quote=664676;topic=11585.13965
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 09:06:50 AM
He's going up in the world with his own sauce now.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16310532/madeleine-mccann-suspect-cops-shred-evidence-links-sex-crimes/

But a source told Sun Online that Christian B “is aware of the remarks and of the new allegations in this book. But he has been bragging how the police don’t have a shred of evidence”.

The source continued: “He says the new book about him is no better than a comic and that the decision by cops to contribute to it just proves how much they are clutching at straws for new leads.

“His legal team have repeatedly asked for the evidence which police say they have and they have repeatedly refused to hand it over. This, he believes, says it all.”

According to the source, the sex offender “remains insistent he has nothing to do with Maddie’s disappearance and believes police are simply courting publicity by continually linking him to the case”.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10052557/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-brags-police-dont-evidence-linking-cases.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 03, 2021, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 09:06:50 AM
He's going up in the world with his own sauce now.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16310532/madeleine-mccann-suspect-cops-shred-evidence-links-sex-crimes/

But a source told Sun Online that Christian B “is aware of the remarks and of the new allegations in this book. But he has been bragging how the police don’t have a shred of evidence”.

The source continued: “He says the new book about him is no better than a comic and that the decision by cops to contribute to it just proves how much they are clutching at straws for new leads.

“His legal team have repeatedly asked for the evidence which police say they have and they have repeatedly refused to hand it over. This, he believes, says it all.”

According to the source, the sex offender “remains insistent he has nothing to do with Maddie’s disappearance and believes police are simply courting publicity by continually linking him to the case”.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10052557/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-brags-police-dont-evidence-linking-cases.html
His "sauce" will either be his lawyer or Amaral making mischief yet again.  IMO.  In either case they will know precisely zilch about what evidence the German police have against him and this is obviously causing them some frustration. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 09:23:27 AM
Once again there's a disconnect, Wolters beleives his suspect killed Madeleine in Luz, Clarke reckons there's a mystery about some sighting in Spain, so CB took her for a drive then went back to Luz, yeah right, the whole shebang is a fantasy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 03, 2021, 09:37:42 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 09:23:27 AM
Once again there's a disconnect, Wolters beleives his suspect killed Madeleine in Luz, Clarke reckons there's a mystery about some sighting in Spain, so CB took her for a drive then went back to Luz, yeah right, the whole shebang is a fantasy.

The only fantasy is sceptics who think the parents are involved.  I'm not interested in what JC says.... The only people who have real evidence are the Germans.

Maddie died at the hands of a paedophile... Concrete evidence it's CB ...that's not my opinion but the conclusion of those who have the only real evidence in the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 03, 2021, 09:37:42 AM
The only fantasy is sceptics who think the parents are involved.  I'm not interested in what JC says.... The only people who have real evidence are the Germans.

Maddie died at the hands of a paedophile... Concrete evidence it's CB ...that's not my opinion but the conclusion of those who have the only real evidence in the case

There's no evidence of her death according to the parents and OG, you should tone your remarks down until such time they confirm it imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 03, 2021, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 09:40:05 AM
There's no evidence of her death according to the parents and OG, you should tone your remarks down until such time they confirm it imo.

Lol.... You are in denial.. It's the Germans who have the evidence....and I haven't heard SY or the parents asking him to tone down
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 03, 2021, 09:44:59 AM
Lol.... You are in denial.. It's the Germans who have the evidence....and I haven't heard SY or the parents asking him to tone down

This is June from last year, produce a piece since where Wolters confirms death.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-could-still-alive-22187901
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 03, 2021, 09:54:33 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 09:23:27 AM
Once again there's a disconnect, Wolters beleives his suspect killed Madeleine in Luz, Clarke reckons there's a mystery about some sighting in Spain, so CB took her for a drive then went back to Luz, yeah right, the whole shebang is a fantasy.
On what basis do you find that fantastical?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 03, 2021, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 09:53:57 AM
This is June from last year, produce a piece since where Wolters confirms death.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-could-still-alive-22187901

I've explained it all.... Look at the Rui Pedro case.  ..it's the same.

You need to look at everything Wolters has said then you will understand... Not take one statement out of context.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 10:06:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 03, 2021, 10:01:27 AM
I've explained it all.... Look at the Rui Pedro case.  ..it's the same.

You need to look at everything Wolters has said then you will understand... Not take one statement out of context.

The context is, is the girl dead by the hands of CB, no is the short answer and no evidence of.

The germans created a legend in the form CB to attract publicity to the case to try and elicit any info after his bestest mates tried to dob him in it, he shook the tree , detritus fell and that's it .

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 03, 2021, 10:08:30 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 10:06:24 AM
The context is, is the girl dead by the hands of CB, no is the short answer and no evidence of.


No is not the answer.. And there is evidence it was CB... Lots of evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2021, 10:13:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 03, 2021, 10:08:30 AM

No is not the answer.. And there is evidence it was CB... Lots of evidence

Such as?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 10:14:56 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2021, 10:13:12 AM
Such as?

Its all in the stars.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 03, 2021, 10:17:28 AM
Posters need to understand the difference between evidence  and proof
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 03, 2021, 10:25:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 03, 2021, 10:17:28 AM
Posters need to understand the difference between evidence  and proof

Reaching conclusions based on evidence is one thing. Reaching and promoting conclusions based on a belief that someone else has evidence is a remarkable leap of faith imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 03, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 03, 2021, 10:25:41 AM
Reaching conclusions based on evidence is one thing. Reaching and promoting conclusions based on a belief that someone else has evidence is a remarkable leap of faith imo.
No more so that someone believing a dog's bark is evidence of death at the hands of the parents, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 03, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 03, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
No more so that someone believing a dog's bark is evidence of death at the hands of the parents, imo.

Ignoring or rejecting alerts by cadaver dogs is not advisable imo. Unlike testimony by former 'friends' these dogs have no agenda.

But Fiedler said prosecutors offered no independent evidence to corroborate the dogs’ indications, noting that no remains were found. He also noted an analysis offered by Zapata’s defense team that all three dogs failed to identify odors left by human remains more than 50 percent of the time.

“The state has failed to convince me that it’s any more reliable than the flip of a coin,” Fiedler said.
https://www.twincities.com/2007/08/31/judge-evidence-from-cadaver-dogs-cannot-be-used-at-murder-trial/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 03, 2021, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 03, 2021, 10:25:41 AM
Reaching conclusions based on evidence is one thing. Reaching and promoting conclusions based on a belief that someone else has evidence is a remarkable leap of faith imo.


Absolute rubbish

Yesterday you posted..

 I have no reason to believe that the German police didn't identify the owner of the van using the number plate they were given.


So it seems you believe the German police when it suits you... Lol

I have no reason to believe that Wolters and the entire investigating team are lying.. Do you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 03, 2021, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 03, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
Ignoring or rejecting alerts by cadaver dogs is not advisable imo. Unlike testimony by former 'friends' these dogs have no agenda.

But Fiedler said prosecutors offered no independent evidence to corroborate the dogs’ indications, noting that no remains were found. He also noted an analysis offered by Zapata’s defense team that all three dogs failed to identify odors left by human remains more than 50 percent of the time.

“The state has failed to convince me that it’s any more reliable than the flip of a coin,” Fiedler said.
https://www.twincities.com/2007/08/31/judge-evidence-from-cadaver-dogs-cannot-be-used-at-murder-trial/

The dogs handlers may well have an agenda.  The FACT is we don't know what the alerts in Luz point to.. I thought you preferred factsvto speculation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 03, 2021, 11:11:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 03, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
Ignoring or rejecting alerts by cadaver dogs is not advisable imo. Unlike testimony by former 'friends' these dogs have no agenda.

But Fiedler said prosecutors offered no independent evidence to corroborate the dogs’ indications, noting that no remains were found. He also noted an analysis offered by Zapata’s defense team that all three dogs failed to identify odors left by human remains more than 50 percent of the time.

“The state has failed to convince me that it’s any more reliable than the flip of a coin,” Fiedler said.
https://www.twincities.com/2007/08/31/judge-evidence-from-cadaver-dogs-cannot-be-used-at-murder-trial/
I suggest you pass on the benefit of your wisdom to the German and British police then, who appeared to have done just that in this case, they're sure to bow to your superior knowledge in these matters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 03, 2021, 11:45:39 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 03, 2021, 11:04:48 AM

Absolute rubbish

Yesterday you posted..

 I have no reason to believe that the German police didn't identify the owner of the van using the number plate they were given.


So it seems you believe the German police when it suits you... Lol

I have no reason to believe that Wolters and the entire investigating team are lying.. Do you

I didn't say I believed the German police specifically. I do believe they would investigate a number plate if Interpol asked them to do so.

I would have been very suspicious if they told Interpol they had evidence about the keeper of the van but didn't want to share it though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 03, 2021, 12:17:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 03, 2021, 11:45:39 AM
I didn't say I believed the German police specifically. I do believe they would investigate a number plate if Interpol asked them to do so.

I would have been very suspicious if they told Interpol they had evidence about the keeper of the van but didn't want to share it though.

Do you not understand why Wolters doesn't want to share the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 03, 2021, 12:31:33 PM
Did Brueckner's van have German or Portuguese registration plates at this time?
Pictures of the van do not display the registration number.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 12:53:47 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 03, 2021, 12:31:33 PM
Did Brueckner's van have German or Portuguese registration plates at this time?
Pictures of the van do not display the registration number.


Good question, do numbers have to change , depending on which country the registered keeper resides in ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 03, 2021, 01:04:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 12:53:47 PM

Good question, do numbers have to change , depending on which country the registered keeper resides in ?
At the end of March 2007, the Westfalia number plate was 34-91-XE. There was also a ‘P’ on the plate, suggesting Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 03, 2021, 01:09:49 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 03, 2021, 01:04:26 PM
At the end of March 2007, the Westfalia number plate was 34-91-XE. There was also a ‘P’ on the plate, suggesting Portugal.

Thank you.
That would suggest that the van referred to in Spain, with a German plate, was not Brueckner's, unless he had cunningly changed plates in the meantime. This, of course should be documented like that of the Jaguar
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on October 03, 2021, 01:13:46 PM
As stated above, it appears to have had a Portuguese-registered plate in the attached photos.

Second licence plate down between 2005 -2020 in the article below is similar...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Portugal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Portugal)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 03, 2021, 01:04:26 PM
At the end of March 2007, the Westfalia number plate was 34-91-XE. There was also a ‘P’ on the plate, suggesting Portugal.

So that begs more questions, did CB (if its his) buy it in Portugal, does he have to change the number to Portuguese registration, if so why, with open borders ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on October 03, 2021, 01:13:46 PM
As stated above, it appears to have had a Portuguese-registered plate in the attached photos.

Second licence plate down between 2005 -2020 in the article below is similar...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Portugal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Portugal)

Aren't these pictures of the van with graffiti on them  much ridiculed by some as the ones Amaral showed in a TVI docu , but not shown with graffiti by the germans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 01:23:41 PM
Quote from: Myster on October 03, 2021, 01:13:46 PM
As stated above, it appears to have had a Portuguese-registered plate in the attached photos.

Second licence plate down between 2005 -2020 in the article below is similar...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Portugal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Portugal)

Yet the D denotes Germany does it not ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 03, 2021, 01:25:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 03, 2021, 12:17:58 PM
Do you not understand why Wolters doesn't want to share the evidence

I can think of various reasons. One might be to convince the suspect that they have more evidence against him than they actually have. Another might be to encourage people with some knowledge or evidence to come forward and share it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 03, 2021, 01:29:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 01:23:41 PM
Yet the D denotes Germany does it not ?

If you look closely at the non-graffiti picture, you'll notice that the 'D' is not part of the registration plate, which has a 'P' and is a removable one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 03, 2021, 01:35:18 PM
Re the graffiti, I notice that it only extends to the rear of the front door in Anthro's second picture.  Was it claimed that the can was covered all over ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 03, 2021, 01:35:18 PM
Re the graffiti, I notice that it only extends to the rear of the front door in Anthro's second picyure.  Was it claimed that the can was covered all over ?

Yes, if you look closely at the back of the van, there is some sort of attempt at a clean up .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 03, 2021, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 03, 2021, 01:25:38 PM
I can think of various reasons. One might be to convince the suspect that they have more evidence against him than they actually have. Another might be to encourage people with some knowledge or evidence to come forward and share it.
So just your opinion... Wolters has given his reasons... They make sense... I see no reason to doubt him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 03, 2021, 01:35:18 PM
Re the graffiti, I notice that it only extends to the rear of the front door in Anthro's second picture.  Was it claimed that the can was covered all over ?

The met release back last year only showed one side of the van.
Here.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52919058

(https://i.imgur.com/FKI13WT.jpg)
On Wednesday police announced a new suspect in the case - a 43-year-old German man, who is now in prison for a sex crime. A VW camper van believed to be linked to the suspect was seen around Praia da Luz
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on October 03, 2021, 02:41:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 01:23:41 PM
Yet the D denotes Germany does it not ?
The oval stickers are not a legal requirement now though, ever since the country of origin letter became integrated on the left-hand side of the registration plate. They were commonly stuck on British vehicles (as GB) by their owners travelling to the Continent in the past.

https://www.worldstandards.eu/cars/oval-stickers/ (https://www.worldstandards.eu/cars/oval-stickers/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 03, 2021, 02:52:12 PM
Quote from: Myster on October 03, 2021, 02:41:48 PM
The oval stickers are not a legal requirement now though, ever since the country of origin letter became integrated on the left-hand side of the registration plate. They were commonly stuck on British vehicles (as GB) by their owners travelling to the Continent in the past.

https://www.worldstandards.eu/cars/oval-stickers/ (https://www.worldstandards.eu/cars/oval-stickers/)
So someone seeing the van with the "D" sticker next to the number plate might mistake the van for having a German number plate.  I know I would.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 03, 2021, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 03, 2021, 01:35:18 PM
Re the graffiti, I notice that it only extends to the rear of the front door in Anthro's second picture.  Was it claimed that the can was covered all over ?
It was claimed by Amaral that the van had graffiti designs on it at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance , but unless Bruckner had given his van a paint job in the few weeks between being video’d by the students and Madeleine going missing (and also that the police logged the paintwork date change) then this is clearly untrue.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 03, 2021, 06:04:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 03, 2021, 01:09:49 PM
Thank you.
That would suggest that the van referred to in Spain, with a German plate, was not Brueckner's, unless he had cunningly changed plates in the meantime. This, of course should be documented like that of the Jaguar
Since he changed vehicles on a regular basis, I guess it would have been possible for him to do the same with number plates.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 03, 2021, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 03, 2021, 06:04:27 PM
Since he changed vehicles on a regular basis, I guess it would have been possible for him to do the same with number plates.

Quite, though the details of the German plate must have belonged to someone. If not the same as the person interviewed in Spain, one would expect this to have  been checked out.

Pity we don't have the original metadata details which would give the dates of when the photos were taken
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 06:35:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 03, 2021, 05:06:45 PM
It was claimed by Amaral that the van had graffiti designs on it at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance , but unless Bruckner had given his van a paint job in the few weeks between being video’d by the students and Madeleine going missing (and also that the police logged the paintwork date change) then this is clearly untrue.

So the graffiti on show is not the van in question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 03, 2021, 06:36:55 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 06:35:31 PM
So the graffiti on show is not the van in question.
Which van in question?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 03, 2021, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 03, 2021, 05:06:45 PM
It was claimed by Amaral that the van had graffiti designs on it at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance , but unless Bruckner had given his van a paint job in the few weeks between being video’d by the students and Madeleine going missing (and also that the police logged the paintwork date change) then this is clearly untrue.

Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 03, 2021, 06:36:55 PM
Which van in question?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 03, 2021, 06:55:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 06:52:59 PM

I’ve no idea what point you are trying to make but Brueckner’s van was yellow and white at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and not covered in graffiti as it clearly was later on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 03, 2021, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 03, 2021, 06:35:31 PM
So the graffiti on show is not the van in question.

Who knows ?
He seems to had access to numerous vehicles, so it's difficult to know what he was using at that time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 03, 2021, 07:21:47 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 03, 2021, 06:57:14 PM
Who knows ?
He seems to had access to numerous vehicles, so it's difficult to know what he was using at that time.
No it’s not difficult to know, there is video evidence of him using the van painted yellow and white in March 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 04, 2021, 05:56:39 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 03, 2021, 06:57:14 PM
Who knows ?
He seems to had access to numerous vehicles, so it's difficult to know what he was using at that time.
Doesn't seem to be reports of vehicles with graffiti carrying around child's fitting a description of Madeleine though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 06:10:04 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 04, 2021, 05:56:39 AM
Doesn't seem to be reports of vehicles with graffiti carrying around child's fitting a description of Madeleine though.

Maybe Brueckner had 2 almost identical VW's?  It's possible, I once owned 3 Fiat Cinquecentos.

Brueckner snatches Maddie, then a few weeks after he takes her for a campervan tour of Spain.

Yes, I think you've solved it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 04, 2021, 07:19:48 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 04, 2021, 05:56:39 AM
Doesn't seem to be reports of vehicles with graffiti carrying around child's fitting a description of Madeleine though.
The only person linking Bruckner to a van covered in graffiti is Amaral so what are you on about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 04, 2021, 09:45:04 AM
A headline that came up on my phone this morning.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-break-silence-25128022

"Madeleine McCann’s parents break silence and admit fears over prime suspect

Kate and Gerry McCann are said to fear they may never know what happened to daughter Madeleine 16 months after Christian Brueckner was named as prime suspect

A family source told the Sun: "Police don’t tell us what’s going on, we’re in the dark because it's an ongoing investigation."

And there was I thinking that they were being kept up to date. Perhaps that was only Grange.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 09:49:06 AM

Madeleine McCann's parents have broken their silence on the prime suspect in their daughter's disappearance, revealing their fears if he doesn't confess.

Christian Brueckner has allegedly bragged detectives trying to pin the toddler's disappearance on him have no evidence.

The 44-year-old - currently an inmate at a prison dubbed 'Germany's Alactraz' for a series of rape and drugs offences - was first identified by prosecutors as Madeleine's possible abductor in June last year.

But 16 months on and he still hasn't been questioned by police.

Kate and Gerry McCann reportedly fear that without a confession they may never know what happened.

A family source told the Sun: "Police don’t tell us what’s going on, we’re in the dark because it's an ongoing investigation.

"But if it is him, and there’s no direct and conclusive evidence he may never say a word. He’s not saying a word now."


They said there is some comfort knowing that he's already in prison, but there are growing doubts as Portuguese police had already looked into him.

"It may be, sadly, that we may never know what happened to Madeleine. But we hope to find out. We keep hoping after all these years," they added.

When Brueckner was first named as a suspect by German investigators, Kate and Gerry released a statement but didn't directly reference him.

Madeleine disappeared from a ground floor apartment in Portugal’s Praia da Luz in May 2007 during a family holiday.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has said Brueckner is also being investigated over several other sex attacks in a new book called My Search for Madeleine.

But sources have told the Sun the suspect has allegedly said detectives are “clutching at straws”.

His confidence is said to be based on the fact the prosecution is yet to hand over the evidence they claim to have, according to the insider.

They added that Brueckner continues to deny he had anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-break-silence-25128022
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 09:50:57 AM


"But if it is him, and there’s no direct and conclusive evidence he may never say a word. He’s not saying a word now."

They must have missed the cartoons & the letter where he said he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 04, 2021, 09:55:40 AM
Now what's the purpose of this article?
Is it to gently introduce the idea that the investigation into Brueckner is not progressing well  or is there some other motive?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 10:12:34 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 04, 2021, 09:55:40 AM
Now what's the purpose of this article?
Is it to gently introduce the idea that the investigation into Brueckner is not progressing well  or is there some other motive?

I'm not really sure, but it doesn't add much weight to the theory that the McCanns have identified Maddie amongst Brueckner's paedo porn stash.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 10:19:08 AM

The Sun were the first to break this story:

A McCann family source told The Sun Online: “Police don’t tell us what’s going on, we’re in the dark because it's an ongoing investigation.

“He’s locked up for other crimes, so at least he’s in the best place - in jail.

“Portuguese police had looked at him before and last year they looked at him again. We don't know what this means but without a confession we may never know.

“We don't know what evidence police have."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16316366/madeleine-mccanns-parents-break-silence-suspect-christian/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 04, 2021, 10:23:46 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 10:19:08 AM
The Sun were the first to break this story:

A McCann family source told The Sun Online: “Police don’t tell us what’s going on, we’re in the dark because it's an ongoing investigation.

“He’s locked up for other crimes, so at least he’s in the best place - in jail.

“Portuguese police had looked at him before and last year they looked at him again. We don't know what this means but without a confession we may never know.

“We don't know what evidence police have."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16316366/madeleine-mccanns-parents-break-silence-suspect-christian/

Personally I think that an excellent thing. They've been privy to far too much over the years - IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 04, 2021, 10:37:45 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 04, 2021, 09:55:40 AM
Now what's the purpose of this article?
Is it to gently introduce the idea that the investigation into Brueckner is not progressing well  or is there some other motive?
Do you still not get it after 14+years??
IT'S TO SELL NEWSPAPERS. 
Hopefully you've got it now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 04, 2021, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 04, 2021, 09:45:04 AM
A headline that came up on my phone this morning.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-break-silence-25128022

"Madeleine McCann’s parents break silence and admit fears over prime suspect

Kate and Gerry McCann are said to fear they may never know what happened to daughter Madeleine 16 months after Christian Brueckner was named as prime suspect

A family source told the Sun: "Police don’t tell us what’s going on, we’re in the dark because it's an ongoing investigation."

And there was I thinking that they were being kept up to date. Perhaps that was only Grange.
Funny, it didn't come up on my phone.  Maybe you have a Maddie alert to keep you up to date with every single non-story the media publish about the case.  And there was me thinking you weren't the slightest bit interested and it was all beneath you anyway...  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 04, 2021, 10:37:45 AM
Do you still not get it after 14+years??
IT'S TO SELL NEWSPAPERS. 
Hopefully you've got it now.

It seems a bit counterproductive then to be making the articles free online?

I suppose they do get paid for advertising though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 04, 2021, 11:41:37 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 10:40:38 AM
It seems a bit counterproductive then to be making the articles free online?

I suppose they do get paid for advertising though.
Clickbait.  Clicks = revenue.  I'm amazed this needs pointing out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 04, 2021, 11:45:15 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 10:40:38 AM
It seems a bit counterproductive then to be making the articles free online?

I suppose they do get paid for advertising though.

Ooh how awful - people making money on the back of Madeleine McCann.  I'm  shocked, shocked I tell you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 04, 2021, 11:41:37 AM
Clickbait.  Clicks = revenue.  I'm amazed this needs pointing out.

You said it was to sell NEWSPAPERS.

Online articles aren't made of paper.

I'm amazed this needs pointing out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 04, 2021, 12:14:40 PM
                        ON TOPIC posts would be welcomed ... thankyou all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 04, 2021, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2021, 11:55:38 AM
You said it was to sell NEWSPAPERS.

Online articles aren't made of paper.

I'm amazed this needs pointing out.
So the Sun and the Mirror aren't newspapers then?  Articles such as the one quoted sell newsPAPERS and generate clicks online for newsPAPERS.  I'm not amazed that you pretend not to understand this actually.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 04, 2021, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 04, 2021, 11:45:15 AM
Ooh how awful - people making money on the back of Madeleine McCann.  I'm  shocked, shocked I tell you.
Who said it was awful?  You couldn't understand the point of the article and I have explained the point of the article.  No need to thank me...  8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 04, 2021, 02:11:31 PM

Could we at least try to be polite?  Not that I ultimately care anymore.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 04, 2021, 02:37:24 PM
Is someone being rude & unpleasant?  Can't say I noticed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 04, 2021, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 04, 2021, 02:37:24 PM
Is someone being rude & unpleasant?  Can't say I noticed.

That of course is the problem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 04, 2021, 05:15:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 04, 2021, 04:54:20 PM
That of course is the problem.

Surely you're not accusing me!.  I've had my moments in the past, I admit, but I'm a reformed character
 and now I'm all sweetness and light  8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 04, 2021, 05:37:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 04, 2021, 05:15:29 PM
Surely you're not accusing me!.  I've had my moments in the past, I admit, but I'm a reformed character
 and now I'm all sweetness and light  8)--))

Please yourself.  You mainly bore me witless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 04, 2021, 05:39:41 PM
Well we can't all be dynamic, cutting edge commentators like what you are, can we
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 04, 2021, 05:42:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 04, 2021, 05:39:41 PM
Well we can't all be dynamic, cutting edge commentators like what you are, can we

Almost certainly not.  Obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 04, 2021, 05:49:50 PM
Remember when we used to refer to the 3 Arguidos forum as The ‘Roids?  Ah, those were the days.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 04, 2021, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 04, 2021, 05:49:50 PM
Remember when we used to refer to the 3 Arguidos forum as The ‘Roids?  Ah, those were the days.

This isn't helping.  Although I doubt that anything could now.

Christian Bruckner has this right while The McCanns still don't. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 04, 2021, 07:24:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 04, 2021, 07:15:23 PM
This isn't helping.  Although I doubt that anything could now.

Christian Bruckner has this right while The McCanns still don't.

I used to enjoy the 3 Arguidos, particularly the chap with the burger van and the satires about the Pink Prince.

I used to have a link to some archives, but sadly they've disappeared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 04, 2021, 07:48:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 04, 2021, 07:24:30 PM
I used to enjoy the 3 Arguidos, particularly the chap with the burger van and the satires about the Pink Prince.

I used to have a link to some archives, but sadly they've disappeared.

I bet you dd.  Poor old you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 04, 2021, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 04, 2021, 07:48:23 PM
I bet you dd.  Poor old you.
i console myself with some from the Mirror  8)--))

Entertaining to visit now and again. As Uhtred might  have said, nostalgia is all
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 04, 2021, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 04, 2021, 07:24:30 PM
I used to enjoy the 3 Arguidos, particularly the chap with the burger van and the satires about the Pink Prince.

I used to have a link to some archives, but sadly they've disappeared.
What a great loss to mankind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 05, 2021, 08:52:01 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-charged-25137580
‘Officials have been working towards charging him and say they now have "strong new evidence" for a court date by Christmas’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 05, 2021, 08:57:33 AM
Another phone alert via Google news, from the Mirror. Lile yesterday, lifted from the Sun.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16325603/madeleine-mccann-suspect-new-evidence/

Much more interesting  - Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B could be charged by Christmas thanks to ‘strong new evidence’

Assuming that they are talking about Christmas 2021, we shouldn't have long to wait.

Strange, however, that there was no mention of 'strong new evidence' yesterday.

I await developments with bated breath.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 06, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 05, 2021, 08:52:01 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-charged-25137580
‘Officials have been working towards charging him and say they now have "strong new evidence" for a court date by Christmas’.

The Germans having been claiming this for a year now. In my opinion it's all smoke and mirrors, they have nothing as their informants failed to come forward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 06, 2021, 12:51:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 06, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
The Germans having been claiming this for a year now. In my opinion it's all smoke and mirrors, they have nothing as their informants failed to come forward.

But in your opinion amaral is good cop... Doesn't say a lot for your opinion.. Imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 06, 2021, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 06, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
The Germans having been claiming this for a year now. In my opinion it's all smoke and mirrors, they have nothing as their informants failed to come forward.

They say to charge by Christmas, so we'll know soon enough if it's all talk.

Why announce this now, why not wait until the event actually happens ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 06, 2021, 01:42:10 PM
If you read the article again Wolters doesn’t say anything about charges by Christmas, that’s just media embellishment IMO. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 08, 2021, 11:44:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 06, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
The Germans having been claiming this for a year now. In my opinion it's all smoke and mirrors, they have nothing as their informants failed to come forward.
Quote from: Anthro on October 05, 2021, 08:52:01 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-charged-25137580
‘Officials have been working towards charging him and say they now have "strong new evidence" for a court date by Christmas’.

This from last year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55224904
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 08, 2021, 11:29:32 PM
Madeleine McCann prosecutor 100% convinced Christian B abducted and murdered her
Madeleine McCann prosecutors say they have no body and no DNA but other evidence leads to only one conclusion - jailed rapist Christian Brueckner is guilty and could be charged next year

(Image: PA)
Investigators are “100% sure” sex offender Christian Brueckner murdered Madeleine McCann.

They have the evidence to charge him and hope the probe will conclude next year.



German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “We’re confident we have the man who took and killed her.”

Prosecutors investigating paedophile Christian Brueckner on suspicion of murdering Madeleine McCann are certain of his guilt and determined to build the strongest possible case against him.

They believe they have the evidence to charge the 44-year-old and it has “100% convinced” them that he killed her.

And they hope to be able to bring charges next year.



But as Brueckner is already in jail for separate offences the team are taking time to gather as much evidence as possible before bringing it to court.


Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.

“But it’s not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.

“When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.


“That’s why we said we’ll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I’m not saying that what we have is insufficient now. But he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands.”

However, the prosecutors now admit they have no proof Madeleine is dead – despite authorities in Braunschweig telling the McCanns last year that they had “evidence” she is no longer alive.

 
Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder. Addressing Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”

“All I can do is ask for your patience. I personally think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.

“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”

Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday flat at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, days before her fourth birthday. Kate and Gerry of Rothley, Leics, have said they “hang on to the hope, however small, that we will see Madeleine again”.


Evidence being investigated includes a “confession” Brueckner made to a pal and phone analysis showing he was at the Ocean Club when the toddler vanished. Mr Wolters said: “It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”

Brueckner was living in a camper van close to Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared. UK and German police first became aware of him as a suspect in 2017 but only went public with it last June. Senior investigators have spoken to potential key witnesses in Germany and Portugal.


Mr Wolters dismissed as “rubbish” a recent report that the probe will end by Christmas, but said it is likely Brueckner will be charged early next year with other alleged offences in Portugal.

They include the rape of an Irish woman in the Algarve in 2004 and two incidents where he allegedly flashed at youngsters.


Asked if he was happy with the pace of the Madeleine probe, Mr Wolters said: “It could have gone better. Of course we hoped we’d get such good tip-offs that the investigation might have already ended. But the case is progressing.”

He said a “very big number” have been interviewed but the team has yet to find the person Brueckner spoke to on the phone around the time Madeleine went missing. He added: “We’ve found no evidence to clear Mr Brueckner of suspicion. Everything we’ve found fits in the picture. We’re perhaps halfway through.”

Defending the decision not to show the McCanns the evidence that leads prosecutors to believe Madeleine is dead, he said: “If I did ...is very possible that they would then no longer have any hope.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prosecutor-100-convinced-25173564
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 08, 2021, 11:38:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 08, 2021, 11:29:32 PM
Madeleine McCann prosecutor 100% convinced Christian B abducted and murdered her
Madeleine McCann prosecutors say they have no body and no DNA but other evidence leads to only one conclusion - jailed rapist Christian Brueckner is guilty and could be charged next year

(Image: PA)
Investigators are “100% sure” sex offender Christian Brueckner murdered Madeleine McCann.

They have the evidence to charge him and hope the probe will conclude next year.



German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “We’re confident we have the man who took and killed her.”

Prosecutors investigating paedophile Christian Brueckner on suspicion of murdering Madeleine McCann are certain of his guilt and determined to build the strongest possible case against him.

They believe they have the evidence to charge the 44-year-old and it has “100% convinced” them that he killed her.

And they hope to be able to bring charges next year.



But as Brueckner is already in jail for separate offences the team are taking time to gather as much evidence as possible before bringing it to court.


Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.

“But it’s not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.

“When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.


“That’s why we said we’ll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I’m not saying that what we have is insufficient now. But he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands.”

However, the prosecutors now admit they have no proof Madeleine is dead – despite authorities in Braunschweig telling the McCanns last year that they had “evidence” she is no longer alive.

 
Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder. Addressing Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”

“All I can do is ask for your patience. I personally think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.

“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”

Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday flat at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, days before her fourth birthday. Kate and Gerry of Rothley, Leics, have said they “hang on to the hope, however small, that we will see Madeleine again”.


Evidence being investigated includes a “confession” Brueckner made to a pal and phone analysis showing he was at the Ocean Club when the toddler vanished. Mr Wolters said: “It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”

Brueckner was living in a camper van close to Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared. UK and German police first became aware of him as a suspect in 2017 but only went public with it last June. Senior investigators have spoken to potential key witnesses in Germany and Portugal.


Mr Wolters dismissed as “rubbish” a recent report that the probe will end by Christmas, but said it is likely Brueckner will be charged early next year with other alleged offences in Portugal.

They include the rape of an Irish woman in the Algarve in 2004 and two incidents where he allegedly flashed at youngsters.


Asked if he was happy with the pace of the Madeleine probe, Mr Wolters said: “It could have gone better. Of course we hoped we’d get such good tip-offs that the investigation might have already ended. But the case is progressing.”

He said a “very big number” have been interviewed but the team has yet to find the person Brueckner spoke to on the phone around the time Madeleine went missing. He added: “We’ve found no evidence to clear Mr Brueckner of suspicion. Everything we’ve found fits in the picture. We’re perhaps halfway through.”

Defending the decision not to show the McCanns the evidence that leads prosecutors to believe Madeleine is dead, he said: “If I did ...is very possible that they would then no longer have any hope.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prosecutor-100-convinced-25173564

Everything Wolters is reported to have said concurs precisely  with my thoughts on the case over the the last months... Hr has enough evidence to charge... But he wants it watertight
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 09, 2021, 12:49:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 08, 2021, 11:38:46 PM
Everything Wolters is reported to have said concurs precisely  with my thoughts on the case over the the last months... Hr has enough evidence to charge... But he wants it watertight

I simply can’t wait.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 09, 2021, 07:23:05 AM
Hard times for sceptics.  Time to come out of the jungle and face reality, the war is over. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 09, 2021, 08:19:27 AM
I missed this bit

When Madeleine went missing, Brueckner was just out of jail for petrol theft. He is serving seven years in a German jail for raping a pensioner in Praia da Luz. Mr Wolters criticised the slow approach of Portuguese authorities in the investigation, accusing them of lacking interest in the case because the victim and prime suspect are both foreigners.

He said: “What takes one week in Germany can take six months in Portugal. I think the interest in the case in Portugal is just not that big, because no Portuguese person is involved. Also it does not shine a particularly good light on the Portuguese police, as they had totally different suspects.


“I think they would prefer to be left in peace.

“The co-operation with Britain is certainly notably better.”

Brueckner denies being involved in Madeleine’s disappearance and has refused to speak to police or prosecutors.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 09, 2021, 08:41:25 AM
Its in the brit rags so its got to be true. (&^&

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 09, 2021, 09:00:17 AM
Despite davel's insistence Wolters there's no photo or video.

Mr Wolters said: “It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-christian-brueckner-murder-b1935250.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 09, 2021, 09:10:49 AM
Wolters is making it up as he goes along, or the media is, a couple of days ago charges before Christmas.

Mr Wolters has now said they cannot prove she is dead and have no DNA or photo evidence linking Brueckner to her alleged murder.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-investigators-100-convinced-suspect-killed-her-and-plan-to-bring-charges-next-year/ar-AAPiaZV
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 09, 2021, 09:19:27 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 09, 2021, 09:10:49 AM
Wolters is making it up as he goes along, or the media is, a couple of days ago charges before Christmas.

Mr Wolters has now said they cannot prove she is dead and have no DNA or photo evidence linking Brueckner to her alleged murder.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-investigators-100-convinced-suspect-killed-her-and-plan-to-bring-charges-next-year/ar-AAPiaZV
The difference between this article and an earlier one (which I think was based on Amaral's rubbish) the Mirror did actually speak to HCW and this is what he said re: the Christmas claim (which I pointed out was likely to be media embellishment and was never said by HCW in the first place):

"Mr Wolters dismissed as “rubbish” a recent report that the probe will end by Christmas, but said it is likely Brueckner will be charged early next year with other alleged offences in Portugal".

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 09, 2021, 09:20:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 09, 2021, 09:00:17 AM
Despite davel's insistence Wolters there's no photo or video.

Mr Wolters said: “It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-christian-brueckner-murder-b1935250.html
Personally I never believed there was either. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 09, 2021, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 09, 2021, 09:10:49 AM
Wolters is making it up as he goes along, or the media is, a couple of days ago charges before Christmas.

Mr Wolters has now said they cannot prove she is dead and have no DNA or photo evidence linking Brueckner to her alleged murder.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-investigators-100-convinced-suspect-killed-her-and-plan-to-bring-charges-next-year/ar-AAPiaZV

According to Wolters it's now to be some indeterminate date in 2022 - Maybe
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 09, 2021, 09:50:55 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 09, 2021, 09:48:57 AM
According to Wolters it's now to be some indeterminate date in 2022


Which is what was said in 2020 for 2021.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 09, 2021, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 09, 2021, 09:50:55 AM

Which is what was said in 2020 for 2021.
Ach well, it gives you plenty more time for your cynical, ill-informed commentary to continue.  Or you could just hush and wait and see what eventuates which would be the grown up, sensible thing to do.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 09, 2021, 10:03:04 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 09, 2021, 09:50:55 AM

Which is what was said in 2020 for 2021.


It's not easy being a prosecutor when you're unwilling to bring your evidence before a court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 09, 2021, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 09, 2021, 09:53:20 AM
Ach well, it gives you plenty more time for your cynical, ill-informed commentary to continue.  Or you could just hush and wait and see what eventuates which would be the grown up, sensible thing to do.  IMO.


There have been many and better before you who have advocated that, its not worked nor will it.

We could make a deal you piss off and I will, how about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 09, 2021, 10:05:38 AM
I wonder what size team the German police are deploying on this venture ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 09, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 09, 2021, 09:00:17 AM
Despite davel's insistence Wolters there's no photo or video.

Mr Wolters said: “It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-christian-brueckner-murder-b1935250.html

Wolters has said there iis no video of Maddie with CB on it.. Not that there no video of Maddie... I posted this as my view some time ago before wolters confirmed it.

You may have joined the dots but all your dots are in the wrong place
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 09, 2021, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 09, 2021, 09:50:55 AM

Which is what was said in 2020 for 2021.

Perhaps he didn't realise what takes a week in Germany takes 3 months in portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 09, 2021, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 09, 2021, 10:04:40 AM

There have been many and better before you who have advocated that, its not worked nor will it.

We could make a deal you piss off and I will, how about it.
I am not constantly trying to second guess the investigation nor put it down at every opportunity, unlike yourself.  So I am already practicing what I preach.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 09, 2021, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 09, 2021, 10:05:38 AM
I wonder what size team the German police are deploying on this venture ?

Well short of Grange when it was in its pomp I'd venture.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 09, 2021, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 09, 2021, 10:11:13 AM
Perhaps he didn't realise what takes a week in Germany takes 3 months in portugal

Whats Portugal got to do with it, he's nailed his suspect with circumstantial, thats it, he can go to Portugal and spend the rest of his life looking, there's no hard evidence to be found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 09, 2021, 10:23:36 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 09, 2021, 10:20:55 AM
Whats Portugal got to do with it, he's nailed his suspect with circumstantial, thats it, he can go to Portugal and spend the rest of his life looking, there's no hard evidence to be found.

He has needed to interview witnesses in Portugal.. That's what makes Portugal important... If you didn't realise that there's no hope fir you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 09, 2021, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 09, 2021, 10:20:55 AM
Whats Portugal got to do with it, he's nailed his suspect with circumstantial, thats it, he can go to Portugal and spend the rest of his life looking, there's no hard evidence to be found.
Perhaps you didn't realise that Portugal is where the crime was committed? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 09, 2021, 10:58:55 AM
From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-christian-brueckner-murder-b1935250.html


He said they had found no evidence that would clear Brueckner of suspicion. ”Everything we’ve found fits in the picture. We’re perhaps halfway through,” he said.

Why would they want to find any when convinced of his guilt ?
Easy to ignore something that doesn't fit the theory
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 09, 2021, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 09, 2021, 10:58:55 AM
From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-christian-brueckner-murder-b1935250.html


He said they had found no evidence that would clear Brueckner of suspicion. ”Everything we’ve found fits in the picture. We’re perhaps halfway through,” he said.

Why would they want to find any when convinced of his guilt ?
Easy to ignore something that doesn't fit the theory
Do you have any evidence that they have ignored evidence that clears him?  Professional investigators look for evidence of innocence (such as a cast iron alibi) as well as guilt.  Perhaps you were unaware of this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 09, 2021, 11:37:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 09, 2021, 10:23:36 AM
He has needed to interview witnesses in Portugal.. That's what makes Portugal important... If you didn't realise that there's no hope fir you

The only people who have the right to interview Portuguese people are Portuguese policemen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 09, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 09, 2021, 11:37:19 AM
The only people who have the right to interview Portuguese people are Portuguese policemen.

im well aware of that...of course unless those Portuguese people are in germany...

it explains why things are taking so long...as wolters said...what takes one week in Germany takes 3 months in portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 09, 2021, 01:28:18 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 09, 2021, 10:58:55 AM
From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-christian-brueckner-murder-b1935250.html


He said they had found no evidence that would clear Brueckner of suspicion. ”Everything we’ve found fits in the picture. We’re perhaps halfway through,” he said.

Why would they want to find any when convinced of his guilt ?
Easy to ignore something that doesn't fit the theory

it actually fits exactly with my thoughts on the case...which Ive previously posted.

  imo...Theyve interviewed all CBs associates of around the 3rd May...and the week after....not one of them saw hide nor hair of him...wheras normally they saw him daily
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on October 09, 2021, 10:28:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 09, 2021, 11:37:19 AM
The only people who have the right to interview Portuguese people are Portuguese policemen.

Absolutely correct.  German and British police officers in Portugal are merely visitors and have no legal authority to undertake any interviews.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 09, 2021, 10:55:09 PM
Quote from: John on October 09, 2021, 10:28:58 PM
Absolutely correct.  German and British police officers in Portugal are merely visitors and have no legal authority to undertake any interviews.
And if they decide to be difficult and not play ball then it makes the job of gathering evidence for the Germans and British very much more laborious and time consuming.  It's almost as if Portugal don't ever want this case to be solved...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 09, 2021, 11:12:49 PM
Quote from: John on October 09, 2021, 10:28:58 PM
Absolutely correct.  German and British police officers in Portugal are merely visitors and have no legal authority to undertake any interviews.

I'm sure everybody knows that... And from what, Wolters has said thats why the investigation is taking so long.  For the record what gunit said wasn't correct.  The Germans can interview Portuguese citizens in Germany but can't even interview German citizens in portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 09, 2021, 11:14:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 09, 2021, 11:37:19 AM
The only people who have the right to interview Portuguese people are Portuguese policemen.

As I've pointed out this isn't correct... It only applies to interviewing Portuguese in Portugal... They can interview Portuguese in germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 09, 2021, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 09, 2021, 10:55:09 PM
And if they decide to be difficult and not play ball then it makes the job of gathering evidence for the Germans and British very much more laborious and time consuming.  It's almost as if Portugal don't ever want this case to be solved...

People are wondering why this case is taking so long and criticise Wolters whereas it may be that it's the Portuguese who are dragging it out.  I wonder how long it took the PJ to search those wells.  I think it's quite possible Wolters wants to carry out further searches but is being hindered
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 10, 2021, 08:39:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 09, 2021, 11:19:13 PM
People are wondering why this case is taking so long and criticise Wolters whereas it may be that it's the Portuguese who are dragging it out.  I wonder how long it took the PJ to search those wells.  I think it's quite possible Wolters wants to carry out further searches but is being hindered

Do you understand how these requests are processed? It's not a matter of a quck phone call, you know. The UK received requests from the PJ in January 2008, but it was May 2008 before the responses were despatched.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 09:12:23 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 10, 2021, 08:39:30 AM
Do you understand how these requests are processed? It's not a matter of a quck phone call, you know. The UK received requests from the PJ in January 2008, but it was May 2008 before the responses were despatched.

Of course I understand.  Sceptics wonder why the German investigation is taking so long.... I've explained why and you have just confirmed what I have said
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 09:20:00 AM
Riddle me this,

However, the prosecutors now admit they have no proof Madeleine is dead – despite authorities in Braunschweig telling the McCanns last year that they had “evidence” she is no longer alive.

Adding.

Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder. Addressing Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”

“All I can do is ask for your patience. I personally think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.

“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2021, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 09:20:00 AM
Riddle me this,

However, the prosecutors now admit they have no proof Madeleine is dead – despite authorities in Braunschweig telling the McCanns last year that they had “evidence” she is no longer alive.

Adding.

Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder. Addressing Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”

“All I can do is ask for your patience. I personally think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.

“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”
I'm sure you can think of other cases where there were no bodies and no DNA evidence in which investigators were 100% certain what happened but couldn't bring a conviction until more evidence was gathered.  The submarine murder of the journalist is one such recent case I can think of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 10, 2021, 09:27:56 AM
I'm sure you can think of other cases where there were no bodies and no DNA evidence in which investigators were 100% certain what happened but couldn't bring a conviction until more evidence was gathered.  The submarine murder of the journalist is one such recent case I can think of.

All Wolters has is the confession by the alleged bestest buddy, this'll be still talked about 12 months down the line with the same rehashed story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 09:20:00 AM
Riddle me this,

However, the prosecutors now admit they have no proof Madeleine is dead – despite authorities in Braunschweig telling the McCanns last year that they had “evidence” she is no longer alive.

Adding.

Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder. Addressing Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”

“All I can do is ask for your patience. I personally think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.

“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”

Nothing there contradicts anything Wolters has previously said.  You should understand that you are in part quoting the paraphrasing of what Wolters has said... His first language is not English.
He has previously explained the evidence for death and it does not describe the actual moment or precise cause if death.  I've explained it all perfectly before.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2021, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 09:32:47 AM
All Wolters has is the confession by the alleged bestest buddy, this'll be still talked about 12 months down the line with the same rehashed story.
So you know the sum total of what Wolters has, despite the fact that he claims to have evidence not in the public domain?  That means either you're lying and/or mistaken or he is, which is it I wonder who I should believe...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 09:32:47 AM
All Wolters has is the confession by the alleged bestest buddy, this'll be still talked about 12 months down the line with the same rehashed story.

You are totally wrong.. I noticed when Wolters talked about the evidence... He said.. If he SHOWED  the evidence to the parents...

Everything points to his evidence being photographic..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 09:39:21 AM
You are totally wrong.. I noticed when Wolters talked about the evidence... He said.. If he SHOWED  the evidence to the parents...

Everything points to his evidence being photographic..

Yet he says there's nothing to link his suspect, a legend has been created.

Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 09:42:49 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 09:39:21 AM
You are totally wrong.. I noticed when Wolters talked about the evidence... He said.. If he SHOWED  the evidence to the parents...

Everything points to his evidence being photographic..

Yep, CB came across the bundle left by Smithman, all adds up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2021, 09:50:58 AM

I am very much an Innocent Until Proven Guilty sort of person.  But I'm very glad that he will be locked up for the next five years at least.

In the meantime leave The Germans to proceed and The Portuguese to deflect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 09:52:52 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 09:41:52 AM
Yet he says there's nothing to link his suspect, a legend has been created.

Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.

I've explained all that several times

The photo shows abuse if a live Madeleine but does not show CB and does not show her death
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2021, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 09:52:52 AM
I've explained all that several times

The photo shows abuse if a live Madeleine but does not show CB and does not show her death

This thought has crossed my mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2021, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 09:42:49 AM
Yep, CB came across the bundle left by Smithman, all adds up.
@)(++(* yes 2 + 2 = 83.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 09:52:52 AM
I've explained all that several times

The photo shows abuse if a live Madeleine but does not show CB and does not show her death


If buts and maybe's, thats why it'll remain unsolved .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 10:16:00 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 10, 2021, 10:03:57 AM
@)(++(* yes 2 + 2 = 83.


Wait and see, I've pointed out many a time, Wolters never claims his suspect took Madeleine out of 5a .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 10, 2021, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 09:12:23 AM
Of course I understand.  Sceptics wonder why the German investigation is taking so long.... I've explained why and you have just confirmed what I have said

You, however, chose to accuse the Portuguese of "dragging it out", rather than simply accepting that inter-country investigations always take time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 10:21:12 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 10, 2021, 10:17:09 AM
You, however, chose to accuse the Portuguese of "dragging it out", rather than simply accepting that inter-country investigations always take time.

Wonder if the Germans want to roll up in spectacular style like OG did when they had the three amigos down for the killing of Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 10:16:00 AM

Wait and see, I've pointed out many a time, Wolters never claims his suspect took Madeleine out of 5a .

He has


But, addressing the McCanns, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 10:33:08 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 10, 2021, 10:17:09 AM
You, however, chose to accuse the Portuguese of "dragging it out", rather than simply accepting that inter-country investigations always take time.

I've explained one reason why the investigation is taking so long
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 10:31:43 AM
He has


But, addressing the McCanns, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.

Took her from where exactly ? no mention of 5a.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
Took her from where exactly ? no mention of 5a.

Where was she... 5a... You should stop wriggling
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 10:16:00 AM

Wait and see, I've pointed out many a time, Wolters never claims his suspect took Madeleine out of 5a .
What you are proposing happened is off the scale silly IMO but if it comforts you to believe Brueckner, a burglar, paedo, rapist merely took a photo of a child's corpse he found in a bin or on wasteland and didn;t bother to claim fame and fortune as the man who found Madeleine's corpse then fine, carry on with your fantasy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 10:45:58 AM
Where was she... 5a... You should stop wriggling

Its all hearsay, believe in fairies if you want.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2021, 11:38:15 AM
I don't know enough about The German Legal System.  But I've got an horrible feeling that I am about to find out.
As if The Portuguese Legal System wasn't bad enough.

French Law is a nightmare although it has improved somewhat of recent years.  I have seen whole families convicted of murders that were later proved they didn't commit.

The problem here was Judges de Instructions who were too young to put aside emotion and just look at the facts.  But I have learned a lot, which will no doubt be of no use to me at all.

I can never remember which is Adversarial and which is Inquisitorial, but I don't think it makes much difference in the end.

Should there be Juries or should there not?  Is a Judges Only Trial better?  Personally I think that Judges Only Trials are too easily influenced by the mind set of the Country and the age of The Judges especially when a Case travels up the scale.

Meanwhile Juries at least have to think on their feet.  And at least there are Twelve of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 10, 2021, 11:38:15 AM
I don't know enough about The German Legal System.  But I've got an horrible feeling that I am about to find out.
As if The Portuguese Legal System wasn't bad enough.

French Law is a nightmare although it has improved somewhat of recent years.  I have seen whole families convicted of murders that were later proved they didn't commit.

The problem here was Judges de Instructions who were too young to put aside emotion and just look at the facts.  But I have learned a lot, which will no doubt be of no use to me at all.

I can never remember which is Adversarial and which is Inquisitorial, but I don't think it makes much difference in the end.

Should there be Juries or should there not?  Is a Judges Only Trial better?  Personally I think that Judges Only Trials are too easily influenced by the mind set of the Country and the age of The Judges especially when a Case travels up the scale.

Meanwhile Juries at least have to think on their feet.  And at least there are Twelve of them.

They probably have their plus and minus points in equal measure.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 10, 2021, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 12:23:34 PM
They probably have their plus and minus points in equal measure.

At least with judges, you are guaranteed a higher level of education and understanding than you are with an average jury.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 12:35:02 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
Its all hearsay, believe in fairies if you want.

The writings, in the wall.... Amaral, the pj original investigation. Pat Brown.. Statement analysis experts to the fbi.. R D Hall. Martin Grime and his dogs... All the sceptics.. The Portuguese SC..


They are all wrong... Not my opinion.. But the opinion of the German investigation... Bscked by evidence... Not fairies. LOL
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 10, 2021, 12:32:21 PM
At least with judges, you are guaranteed a higher level of education and understanding than you are with an average jury.

Absolutely correct.. Congratulations on getting something right
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2021, 12:36:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 12:23:34 PM
They probably have their plus and minus points in equal measure.

It might depend on how strong is the case for Not Guilty.

Brückner will do himself no favours by refusing to speak if he gets charged.  That alone will be seen as veering towards Guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 10, 2021, 12:40:34 PM
It would be strange system of justice if silence was considered proof of guilt -IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 12:49:10 PM
Posters are mistaken if they think it is simply silence that is considered evidence of guilt.  No one here complained that Gilroy refused to account for his movements the day after SPs didapearance.  His failure to account for all the other circumstantial evidence.

In a trial the prosecution presents the evidence.. The defence has the opportunity to explain it.... If the defendant offers no explanation then the judge/jury can only draw inference from what they have heard.

That's why CBs silence could harm his defence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2021, 12:51:36 PM
Breuckner can't say he never abused a child or raped a woman.  But he could produce a alibi, unless he hasn't got one.

And he could say who was using his phone that evening in Praia da Luz, unless it was him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 12:57:04 PM
It isn't silence that can prove guilt it's the failure of the defendant to produce evidence to support his innocence.  That may sound unfair to some... But it isn't... It's quite reasonable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 01:03:39 PM
Richard Madeley was found with a, trolly load of alcohol and accused of theft.  He was, acquitted based, on his testimony.  If he'd took the right to silence he would have been found guilty... Totally fair and just
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 10, 2021, 01:05:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 10, 2021, 12:51:36 PM
Breuckner can't say he never abused a child or raped a woman.  But he could produce a alibi, unless he hasn't got one.

And he could say who was using his phone that evening in Praia da Luz, unless it was him.

What would it prove if it was him , other than showing he was in the general area at that time ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 10, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
What you are proposing happened is off the scale silly IMO but if it comforts you to believe Brueckner, a burglar, paedo, rapist merely took a photo of a child's corpse he found in a bin or on wasteland and didn;t bother to claim fame and fortune as the man who found Madeleine's corpse then fine, carry on with your fantasy.



What you are proposing happened is off the scale silly IMO

So is your post VS - You dont know what happened - an as for wolt.,,seems a ping is all he has.

Mr Wolters now says they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking 44-year-old Brueckner to the alleged murder.

In a direct message to the McCanns he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 01:42:44 PM


What you are proposing happened is off the scale silly IMO

So is your post VS - You dont know what happened - an as for wolt.,,seems a ping is all he has.

Mr Wolters now says they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking 44-year-old Brueckner to the alleged murder.

In a direct message to the McCanns he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”

if you think a ping is all he has you are dreaming. From what he has said he has

A photo showing abuse but not the death of MM ...and not showing CB. He doeswnt know exactly how she died after the abuse but from what he has seen she would not have survived.

All my conclusions are based on live video of wolters speakin.

Do you have a direct quote for him saying he has no idea how MM died...you dont..its paraphrased and therefore may well not be accurate
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 01:50:45 PM
if you think a ping is all he has you are dreaming. From what he has said he has

A photo showing abuse but not the death of MM ...and not showing CB. He doeswnt know exactly how she died after the abuse but from what he has seen she would not have survived.

All my conclusions are based on live video of wolters speakin.

Do you have a direct quote for him saying he has no idea how MM died...you dont..its paraphrased and therefore may well not be accurate


All my conclusions are based on live video of wolters speakin.

IMO that is all you do have D.....doesnt mean to say anything will come of his speech [and how long ago was that]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 02:25:01 PM

All my conclusions are based on live video of wolters speakin.

IMO that is all you do have D.....doesnt mean to say anything will come of his speech [and how long ago was that]


I've explained everything but I'm not that brilliant that I can help blind people see.  I will be proved right... Everything based on evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2021, 02:33:42 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 01:42:44 PM


What you are proposing happened is off the scale silly IMO

So is your post VS - You dont know what happened - an as for wolt.,,seems a ping is all he has.

Mr Wolters now says they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking 44-year-old Brueckner to the alleged murder.

In a direct message to the McCanns he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”
Why is my post silly?  I am expressing my opinion that the theory that Bruckner found Madeleine's corpse and photographed it is silly - if you think it's a sensible theory then that's your problem, but my post is not silly.  FACT. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2021, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 10, 2021, 01:05:58 PM
What would it prove if it was him , other than showing he was in the general area at that time ?
It would prove opportunity existed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 10, 2021, 02:55:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 10, 2021, 12:23:34 PM
They probably have their plus and minus points in equal measure.

Quote from: Eleanor on October 10, 2021, 12:36:56 PM
It might depend on how strong is the case for Not Guilty.

Brückner will do himself no favours by refusing to speak if he gets charged.  That alone will be seen as veering towards Guilty.

Strangely Wolters seems to want to put his case before the british press rather than CB. How does the Bilge report the latest nonsense ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 03:17:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 02:33:00 PM
I've explained everything but I'm not that brilliant that I can help blind people see.  I will be proved right... Everything based on evidence

I'm not that brilliant that I can help blind people see.

Oh right as in...I see said the blind man to his deaf daughter.

You are no different to me D apart from -  you see what you see an i see what i see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 03:21:02 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 03:17:19 PM
I'm not that brilliant that I can help blind people see.

Oh right as in...I see said the blind man to his deaf daughter.

You are no different to me D apart from -  you see what you see an i see what i see.
I'm quite different... But you are blind to that too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 03:21:02 PM
I'm quite different... But you are blind to that too

LOL ...how can I be ....I read your posts.

D you are no different unless you are privy to info that is not in the public domain ..other wise your no different to me a poster with opinion of what happened to Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 10, 2021, 06:18:23 PM
Please desist from personal insult - or expect your posts to be deleted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 03:26:31 PM
LOL ...how can I be ....I read your posts.

D you are no different unless you are privy to info that is not in the public domain ..other wise your no different to me a poster with opinion of what happened to Maddie.

I have to come clean... I'm not just an ordinary poster
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 03:26:31 PM
LOL ...how can I be ....I read your posts.

D you are no different unless you are privy to info that is not in the public domain ..other wise your no different to me a poster with opinion of what happened to Maddie.

There is lots in the public domain that many are not aware of.  Have you looked at the long list of ECHR cases Re articles 8 and 10
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 10, 2021, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 06:26:33 PM
I have to come clean... I'm not just an ordinary poster

No, your not I can see that by your post count.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2021, 07:09:30 PM

Less of the insults please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 07:47:41 PM
I was passing through WH Smith’s yesterday when my eye was caught by the tabloid headline that Wolter was sure that Brueckner was 100% guilty of Madeleine’s murder.

Any prosecutor worth his salt would know that this kind of briefing to the MSM could seriously jeopardise any future trial of Brueckner. The prejudicial effect of such a pronouncement can’t be underestimated and there is absolutely no way that Wolter wouldn’t have known that.

So why did he do it? Has he been seduced by the thrill of seeing his every word regurgitated on the front covers of the British tabloids or does he know that he will never have enough to charge Brueckner and it’s now a face saving exercise?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 07:55:00 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 07:47:41 PM
I was passing through WH Smith’s yesterday when my eye was caught by the tabloid headline that Wolter was sure that Brueckner was 100% guilty of Madeleine’s murder.

Any prosecutor worth his salt would know that this kind of briefing to the MSM could seriously jeopardise any future trial of Brueckner. The prejudicial effect of such a pronouncement can’t be underestimated and there is absolutely no way that Wolter wouldn’t have known that.

So why did he do it? Has he been seduced by the thrill of seeing his every word regurgitated on the front covers of the British tabloids or does he know that he will never have enough to charge Brueckner and it’s now a face saving exercise?

You seem to think you are an expert on german Law. wolters has alraedy ansered this question
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 10, 2021, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 07:55:00 PM
You seem to think you are an expert on german Law. wolters has alraedy ansered this question

If Wolters is saying that he's breaching human rights law, which Germany is expected to uphold.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2021, 08:06:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 07:47:41 PM
I was passing through WH Smith’s yesterday when my eye was caught by the tabloid headline that Wolter was sure that Brueckner was 100% guilty of Madeleine’s murder.

Any prosecutor worth his salt would know that this kind of briefing to the MSM could seriously jeopardise any future trial of Brueckner. The prejudicial effect of such a pronouncement can’t be underestimated and there is absolutely no way that Wolter wouldn’t have known that.

So why did he do it? Has he been seduced by the thrill of seeing his every word regurgitated on the front covers of the British tabloids or does he know that he will never have enough to charge Brueckner and it’s now a face saving exercise?
Why hasn’t he been sacked if that’s the case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 10, 2021, 08:02:53 PM
If Wolters is saying that he's breaching human rights law, which Germany is expected to uphold.


then CB  has the opportunity to go to the ECHR . The case would be judged on the evidence Wolyers has. As I have already pointed out to you in the Greek pilot  case who mudrered his wife...do you think he has  acase at the ECHR
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 07:55:00 PM
You seem to think you are an expert on german Law. wolters has alraedy ansered this question

Did he? You’ll have to remind me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 08:12:18 PM
Did he? You’ll have to remind me.

MS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 08:55:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 08:44:58 PM
MS

???
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 08:55:13 PM
???

You don't know who MS is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 09:48:39 PM
You don't know who MS is

Just the quote will do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 10, 2021, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 10:23:28 PM
Just the quote will do.
What I've given you will have to do.. MS podcast.. The most recent one.. I seem to recall you said you follow him on twitter
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2021, 11:09:51 PM
Perhaps someone can explain why when the prosecutor claims he’s 100% certain a suspect is guilty that is prejudicing a fair trial but when charges of murder are brought against the suspect and they are then kept on remand in prison for a year that is not considered prejudicial?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 11:59:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 10, 2021, 11:08:48 PM
What I've given you will have to do.. MS podcast.. The most recent one.. I seem to recall you said you follow him on twitter

Fair dos…my point stands then. Wolter is breaking every pre-trial rule in the book and if you can’t see it then I really can’t help you.

Imagine if a prosecutor in this country had claimed that a a suspect was “100% guilty’ before charges had even been brought. Would you consider this to be prejudicial ?

While I know little about German law there is no legal system worth its salt in the world that wouldn’t consider Wolter’s statement detrimental to the conduct of a fair trial. In this country it would probably lead to the abandonment of the trial completely.

Now Wolter isn’t a stupid man, fame-hungry perhaps but not stupid so why say something he must know would jeopardise any future trial? The only reason I can see is that he now knows that there’ll never be a trial and this is merely a face saving exercise.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 07:28:03 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 11:59:22 PM
Fair dos…my point stands then. Wolter is breaking every pre-trial rule in the book and if you can’t see it then I really can’t help you.

Imagine if a prosecutor in this country had claimed that a a suspect was “100% guilty’ before charges had even been brought. Would you consider this to be prejudicial ?

While I know little about German law there is no legal system worth its salt in the world that wouldn’t consider Wolter’s statement detrimental to the conduct of a fair trial. In this country it would probably lead to the abandonment of the trial completely.

Now Wolter isn’t a stupid man, fame-hungry perhaps but not stupid so why say something he must know would jeopardise any future trial? The only reason I can see is that he now knows that there’ll never be a trial and this is merely a face saving exercise.
That’s a ludicrous conclusion if I may say so.  Of course a prosecutor’s job is to bring charges against someone they believe is 100% guilty, not 75% or 60% or 40% guilty so his statement is not prejudicial IMO.  If the judge or the jury at the trial said the same thing before hearing all the evidence well then that would be a different matter.  Why would HCW’s superiors allow all this time and money be wasted if they knew his comments meant it was all for nothing?  It doesn’t make any sense.  And if he knows there will never be a trial then he also knows at some point in the future his career will be in tatters and he will be the laughing stock of the Western World, do you think he’s really working towards that? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 07:56:47 AM
How can an investigating team know in advance of the completion of their investigation that it will never go to trial unless it has been deliberately set up to fail?  Is that what conspiracy theorists here belive the Germans have done?  If so to what end?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 11, 2021, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 10, 2021, 11:59:22 PM
Fair dos…my point stands then. Wolter is breaking every pre-trial rule in the book and if you can’t see it then I really can’t help you.

Imagine if a prosecutor in this country had claimed that a a suspect was “100% guilty’ before charges had even been brought. Would you consider this to be prejudicial ?

While I know little about German law there is no legal system worth its salt in the world that wouldn’t consider Wolter’s statement detrimental to the conduct of a fair trial. In this country it would probably lead to the abandonment of the trial completely.

Now Wolter isn’t a stupid man, fame-hungry perhaps but not stupid so why say something he must know would jeopardise any future trial? The only reason I can see is that he now knows that there’ll never be a trial and this is merely a face saving exercise.

I think you are way off the mark.
Every prosecutor thinks the accused is guilty... Otherwise he shouldn't be prosecuting.
The only way this could prejudice a trial would be if Wolters is making false claims.  In that respect your post actually supports Wolters having the evidence.  If he doesn't then it's possible the prosecution would be thrown out
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 11, 2021, 09:19:24 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 11, 2021, 07:28:03 AM
That’s a ludicrous conclusion if I may say so.  Of course a prosecutor’s job is to bring charges against someone they believe is 100% guilty, not 75% or 60% or 40% guilty so his statement is not prejudicial IMO.  If the judge or the jury at the trial said the same thing before hearing all the evidence well then that would be a different matter.  Why would HCW’s superiors allow all this time and money be wasted if they knew his comments meant it was all for nothing?  It doesn’t make any sense.  And if he knows there will never be a trial then he also knows at some point in the future his career will be in tatters and he will be the laughing stock of the Western World, do you think he’s really working towards that?

Surely you understand that a prosecutor can't publicly announce that someone is guilty, no matter what he believes?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 10:04:11 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 11, 2021, 09:19:24 AM
Surely you understand that a prosecutor can't publicly announce that someone is guilty, no matter what he believes?
What did he actually say?  If it's true that a prosecutor can't say whatever HCW said, then perhaps you can explain why he hasn't been sacked from his job?  Or at least silenced by his superiors?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 12:59:50 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 11, 2021, 08:04:05 AM
I think you are way off the mark.
Every prosecutor thinks the accused is guilty... Otherwise he shouldn't be prosecuting.
The only way this could prejudice a trial would be if Wolters is making false claims.  In that respect your post actually supports Wolters having the evidence.  If he doesn't then it's possible the prosecution would be thrown out

Two things. Firstly whether Bruckner is guilty 100% or otherwise is for the jury to decide not the prosecutor. Wolter preempting that verdict is highly prejudicial. If you think it’s not perhaps you could post some examples of it happening before?

Secondly if Wolter had the evidence to underpin his claim that it was 100% certain that Bruckner had killed Madeleine he’d be charged by now. That’s just simple common sense. Flip it around and imagine the Portuguese prosecutor had said that the parents were 100% guilty of killing their daughter without even interviewing those parents. He claims that he has enough evidence to prove his theory but refuses to charge them. What would you think? Would you believe him and more importantly would you think that the resulting trial would be fair?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 11, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 12:59:50 PM
Two things. Firstly whether Bruckner is guilty 100% or otherwise is for the jury to decide not the prosecutor. Wolter preempting that verdict is highly prejudicial. If you think it’s not perhaps you could post some examples of it happening before?

Secondly if Wolter had the evidence to underpin his claim that it was 100% certain that Bruckner had killed Madeleine he’d be charged by now. That’s just simple common sense. Flip it around and imagine the Portuguese prosecutor had said that the parents were 100% guilty of killing their daughter without even interviewing those parents. He claims that he has enough evidence to prove his theory but refuses to charge them. What would you think? Would you believe him and more importantly would you think that the resulting trial would be fair?

You are making quite a few assumptions. i think your common sense is too simple. I have a case where I know 100% someone stole from me....but the CPS say not enough evidence....the police felt there was

If the portuguese said they had 100% evidence of the McCans guilt I would be very interested and would not didmiss it until i had seen it. There are very good reasons why CB has not ben charged and weve been through them all before.

Wolters says he has concrete evidence taht CB murdered MM......we wont know if thats true until he reveals it...my feeling is he wouldnt say it if he hadnt got it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 01:56:28 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 12:59:50 PM
Two things. Firstly whether Bruckner is guilty 100% or otherwise is for the jury to decide not the prosecutor. Wolter preempting that verdict is highly prejudicial. If you think it’s not perhaps you could post some examples of it happening before?

Secondly if Wolter had the evidence to underpin his claim that it was 100% certain that Bruckner had killed Madeleine he’d be charged by now. That’s just simple common sense. Flip it around and imagine the Portuguese prosecutor had said that the parents were 100% guilty of killing their daughter without even interviewing those parents. He claims that he has enough evidence to prove his theory but refuses to charge them. What would you think? Would you believe him and more importantly would you think that the resulting trial would be fair?
you don’t seem to understand that it’s possible to be 100% certain of something without necessarily having conclusive proof that will stand up in court.  You for example are 100% certain the McCanns covered up their daughter’s disappearance but you can’t prove it. Of course, you’re not very good at applying logic to the evidence, let’s just hope HCW is a bit more savvy than you appear to be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 12:59:50 PM
Two things. Firstly whether Bruckner is guilty 100% or otherwise is for the jury to decide not the prosecutor. Wolter preempting that verdict is highly prejudicial. If you think it’s not perhaps you could post some examples of it happening before?

Secondly if Wolter had the evidence to underpin his claim that it was 100% certain that Bruckner had killed Madeleine he’d be charged by now. That’s just simple common sense. Flip it around and imagine the Portuguese prosecutor had said that the parents were 100% guilty of killing their daughter without even interviewing those parents. He claims that he has enough evidence to prove his theory but refuses to charge them. What would you think? Would you believe him and more importantly would you think that the resulting trial would be fair?
Police made it clear they believed Levi Bellfied was responsible for Milly Dowler’s death prior to charges being brought
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/25/ukcrime2
Police made it clear they believe John Canaan is responsible for Suzy Lamplugh’s abduction and murder, so much so that Canaan complained publicly about the police’s “smear campaign “.  So don’t pretend HCW is unique in naming a prime suspect or publicly accusing them prior to trial please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 11, 2021, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 11, 2021, 09:19:24 AM
Surely you understand that a prosecutor can't publicly announce that someone is guilty, no matter what he believes?
Do you know exactly what Wolters, has said.

He's said they have concrete evidence CB murdered Maddie.. It seems he has...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 11, 2021, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 12:59:50 PM
Two things. Firstly whether Bruckner is guilty 100% or otherwise is for the jury to decide not the prosecutor. Wolter preempting that verdict is highly prejudicial. If you think it’s not perhaps you could post some examples of it happening before?

Secondly if Wolter had the evidence to underpin his claim that it was 100% certain that Bruckner had killed Madeleine he’d be charged by now. That’s just simple common sense. Flip it around and imagine the Portuguese prosecutor had said that the parents were 100% guilty of killing their daughter without even interviewing those parents. He claims that he has enough evidence to prove his theory but refuses to charge them. What would you think? Would you believe him and more importantly would you think that the resulting trial would be fair?

We do have Amaral claiming it's confirmed Maddie died in the apartment and the patents covered up her death..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 11, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
You are making quite a few assumptions. i think your common sense is too simple. I have a case where I know 100% someone stole from me....but the CPS say not enough evidence....the police felt there was

If the portuguese said they had 100% evidence of the McCans guilt I would be very interested and would not didmiss it until i had seen it. There are very good reasons why CB has not ben charged and weve been through them all before.

Wolters says he has concrete evidence taht CB murdered MM......we wont know if thats true until he reveals it...my feeling is he wouldnt say it if he hadnt got it

Oh I sure that there’s many, many crimes where the police believe they have the right man but the evidence is not there. In those cases however the prosecutor does not tell the world’s press that they are guilty. Surely even you can see the difference?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 03:50:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 11, 2021, 03:28:25 PM
We do have Amaral claiming it's confirmed Maddie died in the apartment and the patents covered up her death..

Firstly Amaral is not, was not and never has been a prosecutor.

Secondly Amaral was a civilian when he made those claims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 11, 2021, 05:04:17 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 03:47:51 PM
Oh I sure that there’s many, many crimes where the police believe they have the right man but the evidence is not there. In those cases however the prosecutor does not tell the world’s press that they are guilty. Surely even you can see the difference?

What I can see is a prosecutor explaing his investigation.  I recall sceptics complaining that SY should give out more info. 
In the Bellfield Case the police said they had strong circumstantial evidence linking Bellfield to the murder.. I don't remember anyone complaining.
Do you have a direct quote from Wolters ..in context... Or are you relying on what the press have reported.


Imo... If what Wolters is saying is true.. Ie.. Concrete evidence... He has every right to say it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 05:19:22 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 03:47:51 PM
Oh I sure that there’s many, many crimes where the police believe they have the right man but the evidence is not there. In those cases however the prosecutor does not tell the world’s press that they are guilty. Surely even you can see the difference?
Can we have a cite for Wolters making a statement of fact about Brückner’s guilt please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 05:22:55 PM
If sceptics are right and HCW has destroyed any prospect of Brueckner getting a fair trial then they must be delighted and thanking HCW from the bottom of their hearts because they will then be free to carry on pointing the finger at the McCanns until the day they drop dead from all their efforts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 05:28:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 11, 2021, 05:04:17 PM
What I can see is a prosecutor explaing his investigation.  I recall sceptics complaining that SY should give out more info. 
In the Bellfield Case the police said they had strong circumstantial evidence linking Bellfield to the murder.. I don't remember anyone complaining.
Do you have a direct quote from Wolters ..in context... Or are you relying on what the press have reported.


Imo... If what Wolters is saying is true.. Ie.. Concrete evidence... He has every right to say it


Your Bellfield claim is simply untrue.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 05:30:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 05:28:33 PM

Your Bellfield claim is simply untrue.
What’s untrue about it? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 05:34:28 PM
Bellfield was found guilty of the murders of Miss McDonnell and Miss Delagrange, as well as the attempted murder of Miss Sheedy, in February 2008.

Immediately after the trial, he was named by Surrey Police as the prime suspect in the murder of Milly, and was convicted of killing her in July 2011.

Mr Sutton believes Bellfield committed "dozens" more crimes that he will never be prosecuted for.

"I've absolutely no doubt that the offences for which we know Bellfield is responsible are just the tip of the iceberg," he says.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 05:37:03 PM
John Canaan
In November 2002, detectives said publicly that they believed he had killed Lamplugh[30] and confirmed this in 2006 when arguing against any reduction in his tariff.[28]
In November 2002, Cannan complained via his solicitors about the police publicly naming him, saying he was "devastated and distressed".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 05:47:23 PM
“We’re sure of Suzy’s killer, keep him in jail” police urge
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/30/ukcrime.theobserver
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 11, 2021, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 03:47:51 PM
Oh I sure that there’s many, many crimes where the police believe they have the right man but the evidence is not there. In those cases however the prosecutor does not tell the world’s press that they are guilty. Surely even you can see the difference?

Did Amaral in the name of Portugal tell The World Press that The McCanns were guilty?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 11, 2021, 07:03:40 PM
Did Amaral in the name of Portugal tell The World Press that The McCanns were guilty?

Directly in the tabloid press, I don’t think he did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 11, 2021, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 07:10:28 PM
Directly in the tabloid press, I don’t think he did.

You could be right.  I can't be asked.

But if I had my way I would have that little shit nailed to the wall for more things in christendom than ever occurred before the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Amaral was already a bent copper.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 11, 2021, 07:59:20 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 07:10:28 PM
Directly in the tabloid press, I don’t think he did.


He wouldnt be alowed to...libel
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 11, 2021, 07:59:20 PM

He wouldnt be alowed to...libel

The reason is immaterial. He didn’t and neither should Wolter have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 11, 2021, 09:29:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 08:42:13 PM
The reason is immaterial. He didn’t and neither should Wolter have.

Your opinion...Wolters has every right to voice his opinion as along as its backed by evidence, He has said he is convinced by the evidence....he doesnt state anymore than that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 11, 2021, 09:29:46 PM
Your opinion...Wolters has every right to voice his opinion as along as its backed by evidence, He has said he is convinced by the evidence....he doesnt state anymore than that
Of course sceptics appear to have no problem with the PJ making their opinion of the McCanns guilt known via leaks to the media - have you ever heard a squeak of criticism about this underhand practice from any of them? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 11:05:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 11, 2021, 09:29:46 PM
Your opinion...Wolters has every right to voice his opinion as along as its backed by evidence, He has said he is convinced by the evidence....he doesnt state anymore than that

In his position no he hasn’t.

Of course the ultimate irony is that if Bruckner is guilty of Madeleine’s murder I want nothing to stand in the way of his conviction…be it on a lack of evidence or a legal technicality. You don’t appear to care.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 11, 2021, 11:08:53 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 11:05:35 PM
In his position no he hasn’t.

Of course the ultimate irony is that if Bruckner is guilty of Madeleine’s murder I want nothing to stand in the way of his conviction…be it on a lack of evidence or a legal technicality. You don’t appear to care.

I think your judgement is poor.. As is your legal knowledge.
The best chance for justice for Maffie is, Wolters.. You will see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 11, 2021, 11:33:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 11, 2021, 11:08:53 PM
I think your judgement is poor.. As is your legal knowledge.
The best chance for justice for Maffie is, Wolters.. You will see.


Maffie?

Insults are no substitute for knowledge. You are want to display too much of the former and not enough of the latter.

Perhaps if you could pad your posts out with a little more information and a little less obfuscation your part in this discussion may be all the better for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2021, 11:45:26 PM
Bruckner can only be tried and found guilty if the prosecutor is permitted to get on with his job of securing compelling evidence without a campaign of distraction and disinformation from the likes of Amaral and his groupies, so how about everyone stop slagging him off and let him get on with the job.  If it turns out unsuccessful then by all means give him both barrels, but until then stop pretending you know what’s going on behind the scenes and stop pretending to know threprosecutor’s job better than he does himself.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 12, 2021, 06:02:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 11, 2021, 11:45:26 PM
Bruckner can only be tried and found guilty if the prosecutor is permitted to get on with his job of securing compelling evidence without a campaign of distraction and disinformation from the likes of Amaral and his groupies, so how about everyone stop slagging him off and let him get on with the job.  If it turns out unsuccessful then by all means give him both barrels, but until then stop pretending you know what’s going on behind the scenes and stop pretending to know threprosecutor’s job better than he does himself.  IMO.
The subject is obviously not to your liking, best butt out. If Wolters is quoted in the press saying this and that why shouldn't comment be made.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2021, 06:46:16 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 11, 2021, 10:21:16 PM
Of course sceptics appear to have no problem with the PJ making their opinion of the McCanns guilt known via leaks to the media - have you ever heard a squeak of criticism about this underhand practice from any of them?

You have convinced yourself that the PJ leaked, but at least one of those alleged leaks clearly didn't come from the PJ. Journalists were printing all sorts of things, quoting 'sources close to the investigation' or 'sources close to the parents'. In both cases that needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

In any case, the leaking of information is one thing, direct quotes from a prosecutor is another.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2021, 07:20:54 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2021, 06:46:16 AM
You have convinced yourself that the PJ leaked, but at least one of those alleged leaks clearly didn't come from the PJ. Journalists were printing all sorts of things, quoting 'sources close to the investigation' or 'sources close to the parents'. In both cases that needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

In any case, the leaking of information is one thing, direct quotes from a prosecutor is another.
Of course the PJ leaked, even the PJ admitted it, there was clearly a concerted campaign on their part to smear the parents, and I am only going to say IMO because I know you will insist on it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2021, 07:22:48 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2021, 06:02:14 AM
The subject is obviously not to your liking, best butt out. If Wolters is quoted in the press saying this and that why shouldn't comment be made.
No, all the while ignorant, think-they-know-it-alls continue to carp and criticise I shall continue to butt in thanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 12, 2021, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 11, 2021, 03:26:37 PM
Do you know exactly what Wolters, has said.

He's said they have concrete evidence CB murdered Maddie.. It seems he has...


He's said they have concrete evidence CB murdered Maddie

IMO D your posts to me seem as if you......



 coerce people into thinking you know more than you do, getting them onside to your way of thinking.IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on October 12, 2021, 05:24:56 PM
Oh, dear dear, sceptics will be shouting "Hear, Hear!!!"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JwTrJYMdM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JwTrJYMdM)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 06:15:26 PM
Quote from: Myster on October 12, 2021, 05:24:56 PM
Oh, dear dear, sceptics will be shouting "Hear, Hear!!!"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JwTrJYMdM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JwTrJYMdM)

“Herr Wolter courts publicity”. Indeed.

At last an authoritative voice to counteract the nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2021, 06:32:27 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 06:15:26 PM
“Herr Wolter courts publicity”. Indeed.

At last an authoritative voice to counteract the nonsense.

What leads you t o believe he's an authority on the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2021, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 06:15:26 PM
“Herr Wolter courts publicity”. Indeed.

At last an authoritative voice to counteract the nonsense.
How on earth can you praise him as “authoritative “ when he clearly believes Madeleine was taken and may still be alive somewhere?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2021, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Myster on October 12, 2021, 05:24:56 PM
Oh, dear dear, sceptics will be shouting "Hear, Hear!!!"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JwTrJYMdM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JwTrJYMdM)

Anyone with any sense, imo, will realise that the case against Brueckner seems very flimsy. Plenty of claims, but very few facts so far.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2021, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2021, 07:16:01 PM
Anyone with any sense, imo, will realise that the case against Brueckner seems very flimsy. Plenty of claims, but very few facts so far.

I would say anyone with any sense would realise the case against CB is strong... And the evidence for Maddie's death is pretty well conclusive... So one of us doesn't have any sense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2021, 07:50:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2021, 07:16:01 PM
Anyone with any sense, imo, will realise that the case against Brueckner seems very flimsy. Plenty of claims, but very few facts so far.
If Wolters had never revealed any details of the evidence they have would you feel any differently?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 07:54:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2021, 06:32:27 PM
What leads you t o believe he's an authority on the case

Well he has worked on the case…there’s that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2021, 08:00:26 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 07:54:00 PM
Well he has worked on the case…there’s that.

In what capacity.. ..I've seen nothing to support your opinion.. Just faith
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2021, 08:00:26 PM
In what capacity.. ..I've seen nothing to support your opinion.. Just faith

Did you watch the video?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2021, 08:03:16 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
Did you watch the video?

Yes.. Nothing supports him being an authority.. Your clsims is cidswallop
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2021, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2021, 08:03:16 PM
Yes.. Nothing supports him being an authority.. Your clsims is cidswallop
I’m astounded Faith credits him as an authority considering he obviously doesn’t think the McCanns chucked Madeleine in a bin. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2021, 08:10:22 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
Did you watch the video?

The video makes a claim he worked on the case.. Not from him... So in what capacity... And why do you consider him sn authority
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 08:14:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2021, 08:03:16 PM
Yes.. Nothing supports him being an authority.. Your clsims is cidswallop

You are rather silly Davel. Debating with you is rather like playing chess with a pigeon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2021, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 08:14:00 PM
You are rather silly Davel. Debating with you is rather like playing chess with a pigeon.
when you resort to cliched insults you know you’ve lost the argument.  Never mind, better luck next time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2021, 08:21:33 PM
Basically Mike Neville uses this case as an advert for his company, there are numerous reference to him and his facial recognition techology business wrt to this case.  That is all

“Ex-chief inspector Mick Neville, who founded the Met Police’s Central Forensic Image Team in 2012, now runs Super Recognisers International”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2021, 08:22:42 PM
https://superrecognisersinternational.com/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2021, 08:37:52 PM
Authority Mike Neville shares more views on the case

“I find it hard to comprehend that even after 10 years, and what happened to Madeleine, there are still so few cameras here in Praia da Luz.

“If the same thing had happened in the UK, it is extremely unlikely an abductor could have taken Madeleine without being seen on camera.”

Analysing the disappearance of Madeleine, Mr Neville said: “Only a time machine can tell us exactly what happened.

“But it is possible to make a reasonable judgement on what is likely to have occurred.

"Another thing that strikes me immediately here is that Apartment 5a, where she went missing, is by far the most vulnerable in the complex in terms of security because of its corner position.

Play Video
“That in itself could have attracted the attention of someone who wanted to take a child, whether for the purpose of raising them in a family or worse.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2021, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 08:14:00 PM
You are rather silly Davel. Debating with you is rather like playing chess with a pigeon.

As I said yesterday I'm not interested in debate with you.. I know what is correct... I know what level of evidence the Germans have ..I know  who's right and who's wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2021, 08:48:57 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 08:14:00 PM
You are rather silly Davel. Debating with you is rather like playing chess with a pigeon.

AnD there's nothing to support your claim Neville worked on the case.. Checkmate
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 09:10:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2021, 08:48:57 PM
AnD there's nothing to support your claim Neville worked on the case.. Checkmate

Whatever you say Davel. I feel you need the affirmation more than me…poor soul.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2021, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 09:10:22 PM
Whatever you say Davel. I feel you need the affirmation more than me…poor soul.

Dunning Kruger rides again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 12, 2021, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2021, 09:18:31 PM
Dunning Kruger rides again

And here’s me thinking that you had no self awareness. Well done you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2021, 06:02:03 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 12, 2021, 08:46:55 PM
As I said yesterday I'm not interested in debate with you.. I know what is correct... I know what level of evidence the Germans have ..I know  who's right and who's wrong
You think you the low level circumstantial evidence, not that you do know, either way it's far from presentable to be used in court of even to question CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 08:07:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2021, 06:02:03 AM
You think you the low level circumstantial evidence, not that you do know, either way it's far from presentable to be used in court of even to question CB.
Wrong.. Its much more than that
..enough to charge... Enough to take to trial ..as I thought all along... Wolters has now confirmed this

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 08:22:34 AM
Think..
How much evidence do you need to question
How much evidence do you need to charge
How much evidence do you need to take to court
How much evidence do you need to secure a conviction
How much evidence do you need to guarantee a conviction.

Imo.. Wolters thinks he might be able to find the body..he has all of them except the last one
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2021, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2021, 08:07:00 AM
Wrong.. Its much more than that
..enough to charge... Enough to take to trial ..as I thought all along... Wolters has now confirmed this
Nope s news rag reported Wolters said it, you find the original transcript from Wolters himself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 13, 2021, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2021, 09:46:53 AM
Nope s news rag reported Wolters said it, you find the original transcript from Wolters himself.

I thought they didn't have enough to charge and go to trial, which is why they haven't done so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2021, 09:46:53 AM
Nope s news rag reported Wolters said it, you find the original transcript from Wolters himself.

I've listened to everything... I'm right..
You need little to interview or charge.. Andd not much to take ti trial.

Wolters wants as much as he can to guarantee a conviction... He wants the body
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 13, 2021, 11:11:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2021, 11:06:21 AM
I've listened to everything... I'm right..
You need little to interview or charge.. Andd not much to take ti trial.

Wolters wants as much as he can to guarantee a conviction... He wants the body

For which he may wait in vain  for ever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 11:14:53 AM
Wolters hs enough to take to trial but feels he might find the body... Based on what he's said and what's happened

All my opinion based on evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on October 13, 2021, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2021, 08:07:00 AM
Wrong.. Its much more than that
..enough to charge... Enough to take to trial ..as I thought all along... Wolters has now confirmed this

... Wolters has now confirmed this

Nothing is confirmed D...nothing apart from Maddie has gone.

Forteen years later, and still no further on.

THe only thing that is confirmed imo is maddie was left in the apartment by mcs... to her fate.

All what you post is nothing more than your opinion.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 13, 2021, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 13, 2021, 12:55:07 PM

... Wolters has now confirmed this

Nothing is confirmed D...nothing apart from Maddie has gone.

Forteen years later, and still no further on.

THe only thing that is confirmed imo is maddie was left in the apartment by mcs... to her fate.

All what you post is nothing more than your opinion.


Strictly speaking that has not been confirmed.
It is what was claimed by the parents, but no one else saw her there that night, so no confirmation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 13, 2021, 02:26:09 PM

It won't half be a blast if Breuckner gets convicted on nothing more than his refusal to cooperate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 13, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 13, 2021, 02:26:09 PM
It won't half be a blast if Breuckner gets convicted on nothing more than his refusal to cooperate.

It'll be very strange justice if he is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 02:32:04 PM
Quote from: kizzy on October 13, 2021, 12:55:07 PM

... Wolters has now confirmed this

Nothing is confirmed D...nothing apart from Maddie has gone.

Forteen years later, and still no further on.

THe only thing that is confirmed imo is maddie was left in the apartment by mcs... to her fate.

All what you post is nothing more than your opinion.

Wolters has confirmed they have enough evidence to charge and go to court..he's confimed this
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 13, 2021, 05:53:30 PM
 
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2021, 02:32:04 PM
Wolters has confirmed they have enough evidence to charge and go to court..he's confimed this
So what is he waiting for ? If he's said it ? If you have enough you don't need more ?
  I would have thought the most decent thing  he should do would be to put the parents out of the situation they've found themselves in ?
It's plain to read from all the confusing contradictory comments he's made that he doesn't  have enough command of the English language to be believed .
The McCanns still have Bundleman on their Official  Madeleine page so not taking notice of anything other than what JT said she saw  and CB didn't fit that description and anyway Redwood dismissed that sighting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 13, 2021, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 13, 2021, 02:26:09 PM
It won't half be a blast if Breuckner gets convicted on nothing more than his refusal to cooperate.


Has he been asked to, apart from what is read in the rags ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 13, 2021, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 13, 2021, 06:35:14 PM

Has he been asked to, apart from what is read in the rags ?

Ask his Lawyer.  That's what he said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 07:31:14 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 13, 2021, 05:53:30 PM
So what is he waiting for ? If he's said it ? If you have enough you don't need more ?
  I would have thought the most decent thing  he should do would be to put the parents out of the situation they've found themselves in ?
It's plain to read from all the confusing contradictory comments he's made that he doesn't  have enough command of the English language to be believed .
The McCanns still have Bundleman on their Official  Madeleine page so not taking notice of anything other than what JT said she saw  and CB didn't fit that description and anyway Redwood dismissed that sighting.

Wolters has enough to go to court but not enough to guarantee a conviction.. That's why he's mentioned double jeopardy.. Have you not heard him say that.

He has explained why he can't share his evidence with the parents.  Wolters has been very consistent.... You are just seeing single statements taken out of context
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2021, 07:31:14 PM
Wolters has enough to go to court but not enough to guarantee a conviction.. That's why he's mentioned double jeopardy.. Have you not heard him say that.

He has explained why he can't share his evidence with the parents.  Wolters has been very consistent.... You are just seeing single statements taken out of context

Can any prosecutor guarantee a conviction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 08:05:48 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 08:00:45 PM
Can any prosecutor guarantee a conviction?

Yes.. That's, why some defendants plead  guilty
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 08:40:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2021, 08:05:48 PM
Yes.. That's, why some defendants plead  guilty

Defendants plead guilty after charges are brought, not before.

What if Wolter never gains any more evidence than he allegedly has now? Do you think he will charge Bruckner anyway?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 09:12:23 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 08:40:25 PM
Defendants plead guilty after charges are brought, not before.

What if Wolter never gains any more evidence than he allegedly has now? Do you think he will charge Bruckner anyway?

Yes... And your next question will be how long before he does
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 09:18:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2021, 09:12:23 PM
Yes... And your next question will be how long before he does

It wasn’t. It was why would he lay charges if he is not assured of a conviction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 09:33:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 09:18:29 PM
It wasn’t. It was why would he lay charges if he is not assured of a conviction?
Many prosecutions made sre not assured... But at this moment he feels he has thee chance to find more evidence... The body for instance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 13, 2021, 09:40:51 PM
I wonder why he thinks there is a body to be found?

Has he discounted the possibility of it being destroyed completely?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 09:47:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2021, 09:33:47 PM
Many prosecutions made sre not assured... But at this moment he feels he has thee chance to find more evidence... The body for instance

Agreed many prosecutions are not assured yet still they go ahead. However if, based on the evidence he has now, Wolter is sure that Bruckner killed Madeleine then a conviction in this case seems very assured.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 09:51:19 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 09:47:32 PM
Agreed many prosecutions are not assured yet still they go ahead. However if, based on the evidence he has now, Wolter is sure that Bruckner killed Madeleine then a conviction in this case seems very assured.
As I've said before it's possible to know someone is guilty but perhaps not be able to definitely prove it in court.. I know this from first hand experience.. Wolters has time to make his case as watertight as possible... He has mentioned double jeopardy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2021, 09:51:19 PM
As I've said before it's possible to know someone is guilty but perhaps not be able to definitely prove it in court.. I know this from first hand experience.. Wolters has time to make his case as watertight as possible... He has mentioned double jeopardy

If there is evidence enough to convince a prosecutor of guilt then there is evidence enough to convince a jury.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 13, 2021, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 10:26:35 PM
If there is evidence enough to convince a prosecutor of guilt then there is evidence enough to convince a jury.
I agree with you generally speaking but I'm given to understand there'si no such thing as a jury trial in Germany and judges take on a more active role in court proceedings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 13, 2021, 10:38:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 10:26:35 PM
If there is evidence enough to convince a prosecutor of guilt then there is evidence enough to convince a jury.

You knowledge is poor.. There is no Jury in Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 13, 2021, 10:38:51 PM
You knowledge is poor.. There is no Jury in Germany

Not strictly true and certainly, it appears, not in this case.

‘ Trial by jury is known, according to German law, only in criminal procedure and, further, is limited to cases which lie within the competence of a single court. This court is the Schwur- gericht. It is not specifically mentioned in the law among the ordinary courts of Germany. At the same time it does not be- long to what are known as "special courts." The law of judicial organization (Gerichtsverfassungsgesetz) provides for the erection
of Schwurgerichte "bei den Landgerichten," i.e. at the seat of,
and out of members of, the Landgerichte. These Schwurgerichte
are not permanent courts. They are constituted periodically, their session, when not expressly fixed by state law, being deter- mined by the state judicial administration (Landesjustizverwal- lung). Strictly speaking, they belong to the Landgerichte. They are, in a way, secondary organs through which a part of the activ- ity of the Landgerichte is manifested.

The Schwurgericht is composed of three learned judges and twelve laymen called to serve as jurors. The judges are appointed by the president of the Oberlandesgericht in whose jurisdiction the court is erected. One of these judges, chosen to serve as president during the single session, is selected from the associate justices of the Oberlandesgericht, or from the members of the Landgericht. The other two judges are always taken from the Landgericht. The mode of selecting the jurors is set forth below. The jurisdiction of the Schwurgericht is limited to criminal cases and
extends over all criminal cases for which the other courts are not competent. Broadly speaking, all the more serious crimes, with the exception of treason, are tried before the Schwurgericht and are therefore tried by jury.’

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/2140326
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 13, 2021, 10:32:55 PM
I agree with you generally speaking but I'm given to understand there'si no such thing as a jury trial in Germany and judges take on a more active role in court proceedings.

To some extent that is true but I am lead to believe not in more serious criminal trials where there is a jury ( see my post to Davel below).

In a Grosse Strafkammer - a Grand Penal Chamber - deciding over severe crimes like murder, there will always be 4 laymen (Schöffen) and three judges deciding the verdict.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 13, 2021, 11:34:08 PM
There was no jury in the rape case, I believe and HCW has I think said that there would be no jury in this case if it went to court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 14, 2021, 06:00:04 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 13, 2021, 09:40:51 PM
I wonder why he thinks there is a body to be found?

Has he discounted the possibility of it being destroyed completely?
Trials without bodies in Germany are as rare as been teeth, besides if adult bodies such as Lamplugh,Lawrence can't be found what chance a child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2021, 08:29:29 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 14, 2021, 06:00:04 AM
Trials without bodies in Germany are as rare as been teeth, besides if adult bodies such as Lamplugh,Lawrence can't be found what chance a child.

He doesn't need the body but hes looking for it.. Hence the search of the wells. Everything takes a long time with portugal but hrs in no rush
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on October 14, 2021, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 13, 2021, 10:26:35 PM
If there is evidence enough to convince a prosecutor of guilt then there is evidence enough to convince a jury.

The German system doesn't appear to have a jury as such.

...German prosecutors are neutral actors. They are legally bound to find both incriminating evidence against the defendant as well as evidence that may exonerate him. [24] Criminal cases that involve crimes of lesser seriousness are tried before one professional judge and two lay judges. [25] For the most serious of offenses, a panel of two or three professional judges and two lay judges preside. For serious crimes against the security of the state, however, there are no lay judges present. [26].

Although lay judges are involved in court proceedings, their influence and participation is limited. For example, they are not involved in the admission of a case or the preparation of cases for trial. [27] Lay judges are required to be German citizens and must be older than 25 years old, but younger than 70 years old. Lay judges also must have lived in the community for less than one year, and may not be cabinet members, judges, prosecutors, attorneys, police officers, or clergymen. [28]
http://defensewiki.ibj.org/index.php/Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2021, 05:47:39 PM
There are some good posters on Websleuths and this post in particular stood out for me for its logical approach and could be addressed to anyone on here who insists on rubbishing the German investigation.  If you can fault the logic by all means give it a go:

“Your argument effectively boils down to:

HCW says he has evidence that CB killed MM, but HCW still hasn't charged CB or told us the evidence, therefore HCW is a liar and CB is actually innocent!

You don't offer any theory as to why BKA would go making these claims if they have no real evidence though. And as for profiling CB, the points you come up with are so one-eyed and frivolous, they just make no sense. Like the thing with the playground. You think CB was just having some kind of a laugh with his mate and that it's therefore some kind of proof that he wouldn't do anything really bad to a kid. And now with the rape tape, you believe it is all made up and that it is too risky and far fetched for CB to have done such a thing.

Even if BKA doesn't actually get enough evidence to prove beyond doubt that CB is guilty, that doesn’t automatically mean that CB didn't do it. With all the time that has gone by, and the inadequate handling of the initial investigation, getting any really strong and totally conclusive evidence to prove CB (or anyone else for that matter) is responsible for MM's disappearance is obviously going to be very difficult. The chance of getting any sort of forensics now is almost nil unless they find the body. No CCTV. No direct eyewitnesses. So lack of evidence does not necessarily mean lack of guilt even though you keep making that inference. What we do know is that there is apparently a confession, so before you get too excited about CB getting off (which it is very obvious that you want to happen), that alone needs some explanation first. What else BKA might have on him we can only guess at but you can't just assert they don't really have anything on the basis they haven't told you about it.

If you want my personal opinion regarding HCW/BKAs "tactics"... I think when they did the appeal, they probably already had enough evidence to conclude that CB was responsible but not enough that they could confidently guarantee a conviction. A good defence lawyer can wriggle out of all sorts and with all the public attention on this particular case, the last thing they'd want is to rush into it and see that happen 'knowing' that he was guilty. And they obviously felt confident enough to name him and put his face out there in the hope that it would trigger further evidence to go to trial with. People who may have seen him in PDL, people he may have made comments to about MM, places he was staying that might hold clues or where MM's body could be. I don't think it's any more complicated or sinister than that.

And in no way is it in BKA's interest to reveal their evidence publicly at this stage so I don't know what it is you find so hard to understand about that. Yes, it's a bit unusual to publicy accuse CB, BKA have even admitted they were taking an unusual approach in this appeal. But in that case you have to ask the question, why have they chosen to do it? And to me, the only logical explanation is they were already secretly confident they were going to charge him, the only real question was how much further evidence they could gather before they pull that trigger. Having exhausted their leads while working privately, their best chance to get more evidence is to do exactly what they have done by throwing it out to the public. If CB wasn't in jail, I think it's possible they might have pulled him in and charged by now but as HCW has said, there is no need to rush the case when he is going nowhere and they could still get more evidence. JMO.

I mean why would his tactic be to get the public to agree that CB is guilty? How/who does that help? The public aren't going to judge his case in court. What is BKA's motivation to even get involved in this case if they weren't absolutely confident he was guilty and they could get a conviction? They stand to get absolutely trashed if this all falls apart so what is their motive when they could just hand the evidence over to SY or PJ?

You're entitled to your opinion and to believe what you like, but at least make an effort to justify your theories with some proper logic and reasoning rather than just accusing everything of being lies”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2021, 05:58:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 14, 2021, 05:47:39 PM
There are some good posters on Websleuths and this post in particular stood out for me for its logical and could be addressed to anyone on here who insists on rubbishing the German investigation.  If you can fault the logic by all means give it a go:

“Your argument effectively boils down to:

HCW says he has evidence that CB killed MM, but HCW still hasn't charged CB or told us the evidence, therefore HCW is a liar and CB is actually innocent!

You don't offer any theory as to why BKA would go making these claims if they have no real evidence though. And as for profiling CB, the points you come up with are so one-eyed and frivolous, they just make no sense. Like the thing with the playground. You think CB was just having some kind of a laugh with his mate and that it's therefore some kind of proof that he wouldn't do anything really bad to a kid. And now with the rape tape, you believe it is all made up and that it is too risky and far fetched for CB to have done such a thing.

Even if BKA doesn't actually get enough evidence to prove beyond doubt that CB is guilty, that doesn’t automatically mean that CB didn't do it. With all the time that has gone by, and the inadequate handling of the initial investigation, getting any really strong and totally conclusive evidence to prove CB (or anyone else for that matter) is responsible for MM's disappearance is obviously going to be very difficult. The chance of getting any sort of forensics now is almost nil unless they find the body. No CCTV. No direct eyewitnesses. So lack of evidence does not necessarily mean lack of guilt even though you keep making that inference. What we do know is that there is apparently a confession, so before you get too excited about CB getting off (which it is very obvious that you want to happen), that alone needs some explanation first. What else BKA might have on him we can only guess at but you can't just assert they don't really have anything on the basis they haven't told you about it.

If you want my personal opinion regarding HCW/BKAs "tactics"... I think when they did the appeal, they probably already had enough evidence to conclude that CB was responsible but not enough that they could confidently guarantee a conviction. A good defence lawyer can wriggle out of all sorts and with all the public attention on this particular case, the last thing they'd want is to rush into it and see that happen 'knowing' that he was guilty. And they obviously felt confident enough to name him and put his face out there in the hope that it would trigger further evidence to go to trial with. People who may have seen him in PDL, people he may have made comments to about MM, places he was staying that might hold clues or where MM's body could be. I don't think it's any more complicated or sinister than that.

And in no way is it in BKA's interest to reveal their evidence publicly at this stage so I don't know what it is you find so hard to understand about that. Yes, it's a bit unusual to publicy accuse CB, BKA have even admitted they were taking an unusual approach in this appeal. But in that case you have to ask the question, why have they chosen to do it? And to me, the only logical explanation is they were already secretly confident they were going to charge him, the only real question was how much further evidence they could gather before they pull that trigger. Having exhausted their leads while working privately, their best chance to get more evidence is to do exactly what they have done by throwing it out to the public. If CB wasn't in jail, I think it's possible they might have pulled him in and charged by now but as HCW has said, there is no need to rush the case when he is going nowhere and they could still get more evidence. JMO.

I mean why would his tactic be to get the public to agree that CB is guilty? How/who does that help? The public aren't going to judge his case in court. What is BKA's motivation to even get involved in this case if they weren't absolutely confident he was guilty and they could get a conviction? They stand to get absolutely trashed if this all falls apart so what is their motive when they could just hand the evidence over to SY or PJ?

You're entitled to your opinion and to believe what you like, but at least make an effort to justify your theories with some proper logic and reasoning rather than just accusing everything of being lies”.

I too enjoy this website.  Particularly the adult way members of all persuasions behave in the main. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 14, 2021, 05:59:53 PM
Quote from: Carana on October 14, 2021, 10:56:48 AM
The German system doesn't appear to have a jury as such.

...German prosecutors are neutral actors. They are legally bound to find both incriminating evidence against the defendant as well as evidence that may exonerate him. [24] Criminal cases that involve crimes of lesser seriousness are tried before one professional judge and two lay judges. [25] For the most serious of offenses, a panel of two or three professional judges and two lay judges preside. For serious crimes against the security of the state, however, there are no lay judges present. [26].

Although lay judges are involved in court proceedings, their influence and participation is limited. For example, they are not involved in the admission of a case or the preparation of cases for trial. [27] Lay judges are required to be German citizens and must be older than 25 years old, but younger than 70 years old. Lay judges also must have lived in the community for less than one year, and may not be cabinet members, judges, prosecutors, attorneys, police officers, or clergymen. [28]
http://defensewiki.ibj.org/index.php/Germany

Thank you for the link Carana, it would appear however there is some difference in opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2021, 06:12:01 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 14, 2021, 05:59:53 PM
Thank you for the link Carana, it would appear however there is some difference in opinion.
Perhaps you’d better get in touch with this website about German law who say there is no such thing as jury trials in Germany and tell them they’re wrong then.

https://www.howtogermany.com/pages/legal.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 14, 2021, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 14, 2021, 05:59:53 PM
Thank you for the link Carana, it would appear however there is some difference in opinion.
You might also like to edit the Wiki entry on German Law to give us the benefit of your superior knowledge.

History[edit]
Germany used jury trials from the Middle Ages onwards, for example in the Landgerichte,[18][19][20][21] but during a state of emergency under Article 48 (of the Weimar Constitution), and about one month before the trial of Adolf Hitler February 1924 for the Beer Hall Putsch of November 1923, the Emminger Reform (a Notverordnung, or emergency decree) was passed in January 1924 abolishing juries and replacing them with the mixed system of judges and lay judges that is still used today.[22][19][23]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 14, 2021, 08:15:36 PM
 https://www.howtogermany.com/pages/legal.html
A synopsis of German law. (credit: Websleuths).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2021, 08:57:25 AM
Quote from: Anthro on October 14, 2021, 08:15:36 PM
https://www.howtogermany.com/pages/legal.html
A synopsis of German law. (credit: Websleuths).

Jolly good find, Anthro.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 15, 2021, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2021, 08:57:25 AM
Jolly good find, Anthro.
Erm...I posted the link already a couple of posts above Anthro's so pat me on the head instead please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2021, 09:41:05 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 15, 2021, 09:21:25 AM
Erm...I posted the link already a couple of posts above Anthro's so pat me on the head instead please.

Sorry, I missed that.  I'm probably getting brain fog from various aspects of European Law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2021, 09:44:05 AM

However, Some months ago I posted a Link that said that Jury Trials can be used under some circumstances.  But no one was interested.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 15, 2021, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2021, 09:44:05 AM
However, Some months ago I posted a Link that said that Jury Trials can be used under some circumstances.  But no one was interested.

Which concurs with my information. Thank you Eleanor for verifying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 15, 2021, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 15, 2021, 09:44:05 AM
However, Some months ago I posted a Link that said that Jury Trials can be used under some circumstances.  But no one was interested.
What circumstances were they?  Wolters has already said there wouldn't be a jury if this case ever came to trial iirc.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2021, 10:18:30 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 15, 2021, 09:54:38 AM
Which concurs with my information. Thank you Eleanor for verifying.

I meant to do it sooner but I was trying not to start a punch up.  But I did "Like" your comment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 15, 2021, 10:22:30 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 15, 2021, 10:14:55 AM
What circumstances were they?  Wolters has already said there wouldn't be a jury if this case ever came to trial iirc.

I can't remember, but I did hope for a discussion which wasn't forthcoming.

I have this effect on The Forum on occasions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 17, 2021, 12:19:32 AM
PJ denies tension with German authorities over investigation of Maddie's disappearance
PJ says he does not believe in the criticism allegedly made by the German prosecutor and that they have been cited by English journalists.
Tania Laranjo
October 16, 2021 at 21:21

The Judicial Police denies any climate of tension with the German authorities regarding the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann.
The JUDICIARY says it does not believe in the criticism allegedly made by the German prosecutor and that they have been cited by English journalists.
The liaison officer between Portugal and Germany categorically denies such statements.

As part of the joint investigation, CMTV knows that on 18 and 19 October, there will be a meeting in Germany between the Judicial Police and the German authorities.
The elements that have been requested continue to be provided and not long ago the Germans were in Portugal looking for further clues about Maddie's disappearance.
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/pj-desmente-tensao-com-autoridades-alemas-sobre-investigacao-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie?ref=HP_BlocoTematico1
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 17, 2021, 07:20:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 17, 2021, 12:19:32 AM
PJ denies tension with German authorities over investigation of Maddie's disappearance
PJ says he does not believe in the criticism allegedly made by the German prosecutor and that they have been cited by English journalists.
Tania Laranjo
October 16, 2021 at 21:21

The Judicial Police denies any climate of tension with the German authorities regarding the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann.
The JUDICIARY says it does not believe in the criticism allegedly made by the German prosecutor and that they have been cited by English journalists.
The liaison officer between Portugal and Germany categorically denies such statements.

As part of the joint investigation, CMTV knows that on 18 and 19 October, there will be a meeting in Germany between the Judicial Police and the German authorities.
The elements that have been requested continue to be provided and not long ago the Germans were in Portugal looking for further clues about Maddie's disappearance.
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/pj-desmente-tensao-com-autoridades-alemas-sobre-investigacao-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie?ref=HP_BlocoTematico1
Perhaps this is the kick up the backside that has been needed though I’m not holding my breath that the Portuguese authorities will start being more cooperative.  I wonder what they make of Amaral’s criticisms of them which are even worse imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 09:45:50 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 17, 2021, 12:19:32 AM
PJ denies tension with German authorities over investigation of Maddie's disappearance
PJ says he does not believe in the criticism allegedly made by the German prosecutor and that they have been cited by English journalists.
Tania Laranjo
October 16, 2021 at 21:21

The Judicial Police denies any climate of tension with the German authorities regarding the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann.
The JUDICIARY says it does not believe in the criticism allegedly made by the German prosecutor and that they have been cited by English journalists.
The liaison officer between Portugal and Germany categorically denies such statements.

As part of the joint investigation, CMTV knows that on 18 and 19 October, there will be a meeting in Germany between the Judicial Police and the German authorities.
The elements that have been requested continue to be provided and not long ago the Germans were in Portugal looking for further clues about Maddie's disappearance.
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/pj-desmente-tensao-com-autoridades-alemas-sobre-investigacao-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie?ref=HP_BlocoTematico1

So the German investigation is certainly very much alive
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 17, 2021, 10:22:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2021, 09:45:50 AM
So the German investigation is certainly very much alive

And the British press are accused of telling lies! Fancy that! It makes you wonder if all their stories are made up, doesn't it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 17, 2021, 10:23:10 AM
Has anyone found out where this book was published and by whom?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 17, 2021, 10:22:46 AM
And the British press are accused of telling lies! Fancy that! It makes you wonder if all their stories are made up, doesn't it?
As I've said before it's a matter of sorting the wheat from the chafe...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 17, 2021, 10:48:52 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
As I've said before it's a matter of sorting the wheat from the chafe...

Which is why they need the help of the PJ, they've got the wrong one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 10:53:15 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 17, 2021, 10:48:52 AM
Which is why they need the help of the PJ, they've got the wrong one.
They need  the help of the PJ because the crime is in Portugal... It's obvious.... I wonder if the sceptics will ever accept if CB is found guilty... Even if the evidence is overwhelming.  Somehow I doubt it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 10:55:19 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 17, 2021, 10:48:52 AM
Which is why they need the help of the PJ, they've got the wrong one.

I'm waiting to hear the evidence before deciding... Seems like a more sensible approach than you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 17, 2021, 10:59:26 AM
If the Portuguese and Germans are waltzing around the floor being all lovey dovey , is Grange reduced to a wallflower sitting this dance out ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 17, 2021, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2021, 10:55:19 AM
I'm waiting to hear the evidence before deciding... Seems like a more sensible approach than you

Most sensible. It would be ridiculous to believe that Wolter has the evidence he says he does without actually hearing it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 17, 2021, 10:59:57 AM
Most sensible. It would be ridiculous to believe that Wolter has the evidence he says he does without actually hearing it.

I think it's odds on Wolters has the evidence.. For lots of reasons.  I think it's highly likely based on everything that CB is guilty
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 17, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2021, 11:03:00 AM
I think it's odds on Wolters has the evidence.. For lots of reasons.  I think it's highly likely based on everything that CB is guilty

$64,000 question is how did the two come together for CB to have killed her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 17, 2021, 11:07:20 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 17, 2021, 10:59:26 AM
If the Portuguese and Germans are waltzing around the floor being all lovey dovey , is Grange reduced to a wallflower sitting this dance out ?


Now you know what circa £12 million gets you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 17, 2021, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2021, 11:03:00 AM
I think it's odds on Wolters has the evidence.. For lots of reasons.  I think it's highly likely based on everything that CB is guilty

I thought you were waiting to see the evidence before deciding. You said that that was the sensible thing to do.

Are you not being sensible Davel? Have I praised you too soon?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 17, 2021, 11:09:28 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2021, 10:53:15 AM
They need  the help of the PJ because the crime is in Portugal... It's obvious.... I wonder if the sceptics will ever accept if CB is found guilty... Even if the evidence is overwhelming.  Somehow I doubt it

If there's irrefutable evidence then I'll accept it, in the meantime conducting the case through the media certainly suggests otherwise imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 11:20:32 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 17, 2021, 11:09:23 AM
I thought you were waiting to see the evidence before deciding. You said that that was the sensible thing to do.

Are you not being sensible Davel? Have I praised you too soon?

My posts are very precise.. You should bear that in mind when you read them. I don't know if CB is guilty... But I think it's highly likely he is. I don't need any praise from anyone...I understand the evidence precisely
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 17, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
$64,000 question is how did the two come together for CB to have killed her.

Simple
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 17, 2021, 11:28:47 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
Simple

I doubt it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 17, 2021, 11:28:47 AM
I doubt it.

I don't...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 17, 2021, 11:37:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
As I've said before it's a matter of sorting the wheat from the chafe...

That sounds like it could be painful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 17, 2021, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 17, 2021, 11:09:28 AM
If there's irrefutable evidence then I'll accept it, in the meantime conducting the case through the media certainly suggests otherwise imo.

Assuming that there is a trial, how much detail are we likely to learn?
Yes, we'll hear the verdict, but will it be heard in open court and accurately reported, or will we need to rely on dubious Tabloid sources ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 17, 2021, 12:14:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 17, 2021, 11:58:26 AM
Assuming that there is a trial, how much detail are we likely to learn?
Yes, we'll hear the verdict, but will it be heard in open court and accurately reported, or will we need to rely on dubious Tabloid sources ?

Good question, allegedly the most famous missing persons concluded case under a cloak of secrecy, hmmm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 17, 2021, 12:18:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 17, 2021, 10:22:46 AM
And the British press are accused of telling lies! Fancy that! It makes you wonder if all their stories are made up, doesn't it?
Or maybe its the Portuguese press and the PJ that are the liars, who knows eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 17, 2021, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 17, 2021, 12:18:16 PM
Or maybe its the Portuguese press and the PJ that are the liars, who knows eh?

Given the admiration the PJ have received from some quarters on here over the years it'll be a turn up for praise to be extolled upon them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 17, 2021, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2021, 11:20:32 AM
My posts are very precise.. You should bear that in mind when you read them. I don't know if CB is guilty... But I think it's highly likely he is. I don't need any praise from anyone...I understand the evidence precisely

But declaring it highly likely that he is guilty is not waiting to see the evidence before deciding.

Surely even you see the hypocrisy of your latter statement if your former statement is true?

Then maybe not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 12:36:03 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 17, 2021, 12:33:04 PM
But declaring it highly likely that he is guilty is not waiting to see the evidence before deciding.

Surely even you see the hypocrisy of your latter statement if your former statement is true?

Then maybe not.

No hypocrisy at all.. Based on the  evidence in the public domain I think its highly likely hes,guilty....but I cant be sure until all the evudence is released..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 17, 2021, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 17, 2021, 12:36:03 PM
No hypocrisy at all.. Based on the  evidence in the public domain I think its highly likely hes,guilty....but I cant be sure until all the evudence is released..

So you’re not waiting to decide when you’ve seen all the evidence, you’ve already decided.

Not a problem but please don’t pontificate about being fair and balanced when you are no such thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 17, 2021, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 17, 2021, 11:58:26 AM
Assuming that there is a trial, how much detail are we likely to learn?
Yes, we'll hear the verdict, but will it be heard in open court and accurately reported, or will we need to rely on dubious Tabloid sources ?

From what I've been able to pick up about German courts, they're not very open.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 17, 2021, 12:45:14 PM
So you’re not waiting to decide when you’ve seen all the evidence, you’ve already decided.

Not a problem but please don’t pontificate about being fair and balanced when you are no such thing.

You don't seem to understand my post but it's not important... I'm sure others do.

You are reminding me of a post you made yesterday about a child in the playground
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 17, 2021, 01:32:56 PM

The chances of the general public seeing the evidence or proof are about zero.  The Judges will decide and won't be compelled to disclose it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 17, 2021, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 17, 2021, 12:21:55 PM
Given the admiration the PJ have received from some quarters on here over the years it'll be a turn up for praise to be extolled upon them.
Nope, no idea what you're on about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 17, 2021, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 17, 2021, 01:32:56 PM
The chances of the general public seeing the evidence or proof are about zero.  The Judges will decide and won't be compelled to disclose it.

Of course it might not get as far as a trial, in which case it would be academic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 17, 2021, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 17, 2021, 02:05:20 PM
Of course it might not get as far as a trial, in which case it would be academic.

Of course.  Although academic is hardly the right word.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 17, 2021, 02:23:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 17, 2021, 02:13:03 PM
Of course.  Although academic is hardly the right word.

maybe not. Can you think of something better?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2021, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 17, 2021, 01:32:56 PM
The chances of the general public seeing the evidence or proof are about zero.  The Judges will decide and won't be compelled to disclose it.

I think it was, all seen in the rape trial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on October 18, 2021, 08:07:31 AM
What a pile of utter claptrap!  Heaven help us from clueless, attention-seeking podcasters...

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/podcaster-predicted-evidence-against-madeleine-25208621 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/podcaster-predicted-evidence-against-madeleine-25208621)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 18, 2021, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: Myster on October 18, 2021, 08:07:31 AM
What a pile of utter claptrap!  Heaven help us from clueless, attention-seeking podcasters...

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/podcaster-predicted-evidence-against-madeleine-25208621 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/podcaster-predicted-evidence-against-madeleine-25208621)
Is she actually the last person on the planet to have heard the name Christian Brückner?  That’s some achievement!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 09:20:50 AM

I do not believe that The Judges would allow the publication of photos of dead children.

I certainly wouldn't allow them on this Site.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 18, 2021, 09:48:34 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 09:20:50 AM
I do not believe that The Judges would allow the publication of photos of dead children.

I certainly wouldn't allow them on this Site.

Afaiac there is no photo of a dead child.. No one would want that. Pictures may be shared to the judges as in other cases but not published
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 09:52:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 18, 2021, 09:48:34 AM
Afaiac there is no photo of a dead child.. No one would want that. Pictures may be shared to the judges as in other cases but not published

That's what I meant, although I don't know what they have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 18, 2021, 11:35:51 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 09:52:19 AM
That's what I meant, although I don't know what they have.

Nobody outside the investigation knows and I think that's exactly as it should be.

Madeleine's parents probably don't know either but I think and hope they can take comfort from the fact that there remains an active investigation ongoing on her behalf.

The fact that German and Portuguese personnel continue to meet as claimed in broadcasts by Portuguese media is an indicator of that.

I think there may be an obligation on German prosecutors to seek evidence which exonerates suspects with the same diligence given to seeking evidence of guilt (I've not had time to read up on the links on German process given here - so my information comes from WS a site familiar to most of us).

It seems Mr Wolters hasn't found any evidence supporting the former but there is evidence of guilt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 18, 2021, 11:35:51 AM
Nobody outside the investigation knows and I think that's exactly as it should be.

Madeleine's parents probably don't know either but I think and hope they can take comfort from the fact that there remains an active investigation ongoing on her behalf.

The fact that German and Portuguese personnel continue to meet as claimed in broadcasts by Portuguese media is an indicator of that.

I think there may be an obligation on German prosecutors to seek evidence which exonerates suspects with the same diligence given to seeking evidence of guilt (I've not had time to read up on the links on German process given here - so my information comes from WS a site familiar to most of us).

It seems Mr Wolters hasn't found any evidence supporting the former but there is evidence of guilt.

Just thinking ahead.  I don't know what the Germans have got, but just in case, I thought I should warn you all of what I intend to do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 18, 2021, 12:20:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 11:46:27 AM
Just thinking ahead.  I don't know what the Germans have got, but just in case, I thought I should warn you all of what I intend to do.
There is no way on God's Earth that any authority would release a picture of a dead Madeleine to the press.  No way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 12:33:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 18, 2021, 12:20:30 PM
There is no way on God's Earth that any authority would release a picture of a dead Madeleine to the press.  No way.

I wish I had your faith.  But it wouldn't just be photographs.  There would be other Paedophilic inferences.  And I wouldn't be having those either.

There have been far too many of those on this Forum already, although all Deleted now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 18, 2021, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 12:33:13 PM
I wish I had your faith.  But it wouldn't just be photographs.  There would be other Paedophilic inferences.  And I wouldn't be having those either.

There have been far too many of those on this Forum already, although all Deleted now.
I'm afraid if it's proven Madeleine was taken, abused and murdered by a paedophile we would have to face up to it and accept it, it doesn't mean we will be assaulted with photographic evidence or gruesome detail, nor do we have to dwell upon such details on this forum, though some might enjoy doing so. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 18, 2021, 12:39:44 PM
If it does ultimately turn out to be about paedophilia, it'll be all over the gutter press, so your censorial stand will have little impact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 18, 2021, 12:39:02 PM
I'm afraid if it's proven Madeleine was taken, abused and murdered by a paedophile we would have to face up to it and accept it, it doesn't mean we will be assaulted with photographic evidence or gruesome detail, nor do we have to dwell upon such details on this forum, though some might enjoy doing so.

Exactly.  Some might enjoy doing so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 18, 2021, 12:39:44 PM
If it does ultimately turn out to be about paedophilia, it'll be all over the gutter press, so your censorial stand will have little impact.

Censorial?  So you think that I would be wrong to do this?

However, it won't sully this Forum, so you would have to go to The Gutter Press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 18, 2021, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 12:51:04 PM
Censorial?  So you think that I would be wrong to do this?

However, it won't sully this Forum, so you would have to go to The Gutter Press.

Would depend on how heavy handed you were.

All hypothetical at this stage - all we have is a suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 18, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 11:46:27 AM
Just thinking ahead.  I don't know what the Germans have got, but just in case, I thought I should warn you all of what I intend to do.

I support your intention 100%
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 18, 2021, 01:19:58 PM
So if paedophilia proved to be the underlying motivation behind her disappearance, you'd ban all mention of it from the forum?
That would be a strange position - IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 18, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
I support your intention 100%

Thank You, although I thought that you would.  Some persons come in late at night, but I can do 24/7 if I have to.

I am not having this Forum turned into a sleaze pit.  And I know enough by now to know that someone will try.

Let's all hope that it doesn't happen.

What doesn't happen?  To be or not to be.  Therein lies the rub.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 18, 2021, 01:19:58 PM
So if paedophilia proved to be the underlying motivation behind her disappearance, you'd ban all mention of it from the forum?
That would be a strange position - IMO

Don't you think that we would all know that.  So why the need to discuss it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 18, 2021, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
Don't you think that we would all know that. So why the need to discuss it.


You could say that about anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 02:13:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 18, 2021, 01:56:06 PM

You could say that about anything.

Not when it comes to death by Paedophilia.  If in fact this happened.  Go away and talk about it somewhere else.

I do not believe that you are a horrible person, but you do seem to have a problem with my limited authority.

It was largely by accident you know.  No one else wanted the job at the time.  But the vitriol was stunning.  This was never a good idea with me.  Insult me and I will fight back better than you could begin to imagine.

So why don't we just call a truce.  I would be happy with that.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 18, 2021, 10:36:14 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 12:47:03 PM
Exactly.  Some might enjoy doing so.

Who?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 18, 2021, 10:36:14 PM
Who?

Tis always smart to take something out of context.

Basically I am not having any discussion about Paedophilia should it come to such.  But only because it will serve no purpose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 19, 2021, 05:59:48 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 18, 2021, 11:16:29 PM
Tis always smart to take something out of context.

Basically I am not having any discussion about Paedophilia should it come to such.  But only because it will serve no purpose.
Don't worry, it won't come to thst, CB no more abducted Madeleine than I did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 19, 2021, 07:16:09 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 19, 2021, 05:59:48 AM
Don't worry, it won't come to thst, CB no more abducted Madeleine than I did.
You need an IMO there because there is no way that you can know that for a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 19, 2021, 03:42:23 PM
Question for those who believe in the stranger abduction of Madeleine . Which man carrying a child would CB  be  ? Tanner's man or  Smiths'man ?   
Completely opposite in description ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 19, 2021, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 19, 2021, 03:42:23 PM
Question for those who believe in the stranger abduction of Madeleine . Which man carrying a child would CB  be  ? Tanner's man or  Smiths'man ?   
Completely opposite in description ?

I believe Maddy was lifted from the road outside but I do not believe CB had anything to do with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 19, 2021, 04:17:54 PM
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Quote from: Snowgirl on October 19, 2021, 03:42:23 PM
Question for those who believe in the stranger abduction of Madeleine . Which man carrying a child would CB  be  ? Tanner's man or  Smiths'man ?   
Completely opposite in description ?
Neither
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 19, 2021, 04:56:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 19, 2021, 04:15:19 PM
I believe Maddy was lifted from the road outside but I do not believe CB had anything to do with it.
Why have you ruled him out for this crime?  Have you some other suspect in mind?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 19, 2021, 10:39:59 PM
For all the sceptics.. According to CDM.. The Portuguese press.. The PJ are in Germany helping to build the case against CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 19, 2021, 11:01:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 19, 2021, 10:39:59 PM
For all the sceptics.. According to CDM.. The Portuguese press.. The PJ are in Germany helping to build the case against CB
This must come as a terrible blow to those who believed the PJ were still convinced it was the parents and were secretly pursuing that line line of enquiry.  I wonder how they rationalise it?  Is it that the Portuguese are so weak that they have been cowed into submission by a pair of stronger states?  Or is it not now time to accept that the abduction theory is the only plausible and rational one, and that there actually is strong evidence against Brückner, some or most of which we are not yet privy to?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2021, 06:01:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 19, 2021, 10:39:59 PM
For all the sceptics.. According to CDM.. The Portuguese press.. The PJ are in Germany helping to build the case against CB
Strange after declaring circa 16 months ago that the Germans had concrete evidence to the girls death and their suspect was the one wot did it, they now need help.All with out grange too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2021, 06:08:28 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 19, 2021, 11:01:32 PM
This must come as a terrible blow to those who believed the PJ were still convinced it was the parents and were secretly pursuing that line line of enquiry.  I wonder how they rationalise it?  Is it that the Portuguese are so weak that they have been cowed into submission by a pair of stronger states?  Or is it not now time to accept that the abduction theory is the only plausible and rational one, and that there actually is strong evidence against Brückner, some or most of which we are not yet privy to?
You actually believe what is written in papers !!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 20, 2021, 07:25:25 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 20, 2021, 06:08:28 AM
You actually believe what is written in papers !!
On balance, yes.  I believe Sir David Amess was stabbed to death, that Covid cases are rising and that there is a lorry driver shortage, all reported in papers.  I have no reason to believe that the Portuguese press would invent the claim that officials from their country are meeting with German police today, I can see no logical reason for the media to make up such a story so yes, I think it’s probably correct.  If you prefer to disbelieve everything in the papers that makes you uneasy or unhappy then that’s entirely up to you, I prefer a more grown up approach.

“Today and tomorrow Judiciary Police and Germans meet
Portuguese evidence will be added to German case
Today and tomorrow there will be a meeting in Germany that brings together German and Portuguese police. The aim is to exchange information and strengthen the process against Christian Bruckner that is taking place in Germany since he is imprisoned in that country in connection with a rape. If the Germans manage to advance to the public indictment for the death of the English girl in Praia da Luz, the Portuguese process should go to Germany, to strengthen the trial”
translation by Joana Morais..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 20, 2021, 07:30:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 20, 2021, 06:01:53 AM
Strange after declaring circa 16 months ago that the Germans had concrete evidence to the girls death and their suspect was the one wot did it, they now need help.All with out grange too.
You actually believe what is written in the papers !!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 20, 2021, 10:06:27 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 20, 2021, 06:08:28 AM
You actually believe what is written in papers !!

In general it's all we have to go on. I think much depends on the source.
Unattributed statements are generally dubious, as are those that come from a single source, such as 'family friend'

In the end, one believes what one wants to believe.

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 10:32:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 20, 2021, 06:01:53 AM
Strange after declaring circa 16 months ago that the Germans had concrete evidence to the girls death and their suspect was the one wot did it, they now need help.All with out grange too.


The crime was in Portugal...they have always needed the cooperation of the portuguese...but sceptics think everyones lying...except the dogs of course
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 11:41:14 AM
If the Germans knew what they say they did in 2010 about CB why didn't they  inform the  UK Operation Grange team when they were given the  task of reviewing what the PJ findings were ?

From what CDM is saying g

Brueckner's facebook proves attacks to children
Conversations in 2010. Dialogue was intercepted in 2010, three years after Maddie went missing. It is not relevant to finding out what happened to the English child, but authorities say it reveals the profile of the man who is thought to be the murderer
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 20, 2021, 07:25:25 AM
On balance, yes.  I believe Sir David Amess was stabbed to death, that Covid cases are rising and that there is a lorry driver shortage, all reported in papers.  I have no reason to believe that the Portuguese press would invent the claim that officials from their country are meeting with German police today, I can see no logical reason for the media to make up such a story so yes, I think it’s probably correct.  If you prefer to disbelieve everything in the papers that makes you uneasy or unhappy then that’s entirely up to you, I prefer a more grown up approach.

“Today and tomorrow Judiciary Police and Germans meet
Portuguese evidence will be added to German case
Today and tomorrow there will be a meeting in Germany that brings together German and Portuguese police. The aim is to exchange information and strengthen the process against Christian Bruckner that is taking place in Germany since he is imprisoned in that country in connection with a rape. If the Germans manage to advance to the public indictment for the death of the English girl in Praia da Luz, the Portuguese process should go to Germany, to strengthen the trial”
translation by Joana Morais..


There doesn't appear to be the slightest doubt that the various National forces of law and order taking action on Madeleine's behalf are all singing from the same hymn sheet.

There doesn't seem to be any doubt that is stranger abduction featuring the prime suspect, Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 11:50:19 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 11:41:14 AM
If the Germans knew what they say they did in 2010 about CB why didn't they  inform the  UK Operation Grange team when they were given the  task of reviewing what the PJ findings were ?

I don't think that Amaral had at that stage blabbed that Brueckner was visited by his investigators but wasn't in ~ and no one bothered to wonder why that might be and the visit wasn't followed up, as it would have been if there had been a competent coordinator running the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 11:44:27 AM


There doesn't appear to be the slightest doubt that the various National forces of law and order taking action on Madeleine's behalf are all singing from the same hymn sheet.

There doesn't seem to be any doubt that is stranger abduction featuring the prime suspect, Brueckner.
Where is OG positioned ? Not a peep out of them ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 11:55:40 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 11:51:22 AM
Where is OG positioned ? Not a peep out of them ?

Does there need to be? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 11:58:03 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 11:50:19 AM
I don't think that Amaral had at that stage blabbed that Brueckner was visited by his investigators but wasn't in ~ and no one bothered to wonder why that might be and the visit wasn't followed up, as it would have been if there had been a competent coordinator running the investigation.
Would it have been impossible for you to answer my question without fetching Amaral into it so that you could relish in  denigrating his character yet one more time  ?
If the Germans knew CB was in Portugal in 2007 they could imo have dropped a line to  OG for them to look into it .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 11:55:40 AM
Does there need to be?
I think you're posting to pass the time .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 12:03:00 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 11:41:14 AM
If the Germans knew what they say they did in 2010 about CB why didn't they  inform the  UK Operation Grange team when they were given the  task of reviewing what the PJ findings were ?

From what CDM is saying g

Brueckner's facebook proves attacks to children
Conversations in 2010. Dialogue was intercepted in 2010, three years after Maddie went missing. It is not relevant to finding out what happened to the English child, but authorities say it reveals the profile of the man who is thought to be the murderer

Bearing in mind that CDM is a newspaper the content of which members take with a pinch of salt I am not aware that Germans had any locus in Madeleine's case back in 2010.

Truth be told ... did anyone other than the McCann detectives?  Officialdom seems to have written her off until 2013 when her case was reopened in Portugal and Britain by the efforts of her parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 12:05:45 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 11:58:03 AM
Would it have been impossible for you to answer my question without fetching Amaral into it so that you could relish in  denigrating his character yet one more time  ?
If the Germans knew CB was in Portugal in 2007 they could imo have dropped a line to  OG for them to look into it .

Amaral needs absolutely no assistance from me when it comes to "denigrating his character" ... he does a tremendously spiffing job of doing that all by himself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 12:05:45 PM
Amaral needs absolutely no assistance from me when it comes to "denigrating his character" ... he does a tremendously spiffing job of doing that all by himself.
Im so pleased you recognise the fact that no assistance is needed from you so  can we keep him out of this?

 
Quote from: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 12:03:00 PM
Bearing in mind that CDM is a newspaper the content of which members take with a pinch of salt I am not aware that Germans had any locus in Madeleine's case back in 2010.

Truth be told ... did anyone other than the McCann detectives?  Officialdom seems to have written her off until 2013 when her case was reopened in Portugal and Britain by the efforts of her parents.
Seems to me CDM is in the good books of someone in the German prosecutor's domain or they wouldn't be publishing facts from the German investigation files at the moment.
Officialdom ...the PJ ..had to shelve the case if you recall because the Tapas friends refused to accept the invitation to go back to PdaL for a re enactment  which might have helped . The parents could have helped by appealing to their friends but it didn't come off did it? 

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM
Im so pleased you recognise the fact that no assistance is needed from you so  can we keep him out of this?


Maddie case: PJ erred in not investigating Christian Brueckner better – Gonçalo Amaral
JMM - diariOnline 09 Oct 2021
The former coordinator of the investigation of the PJ, Gonçalo Amaral, launches a new book and meanwhile says that there were errors in the Portuguese investigation.


Gonçalo Amaral, according to the news published by the Observer, admits that the German Christian Brueckner was also part of the list of the Judicial Police (PJ) at the time of Maddie's disappearance in 2007, but no one insisted on looking for him.

The former PJ inspector, who coordinated the investigation at the time of the British girl's disappearance, tells the Morning Post that they knocked on Brueckner's door - now the german police's prime suspect -- but no one opened it.
A report was made on the situation and no one ever looked for it again.

https://regiao-sul.pt/2021/10/09/sociedade/caso-maddie-pj-errou-ao-nao-investigar-melhor-christian-brueckner-goncalo-amaral/554575

It was Amaral's job to look at it though - was it not - and don't think for a minute he doesn't know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 20, 2021, 02:27:23 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM

  Seems to me CDM is in the good books of someone in the German prosecutor's domain or they wouldn't be publishing facts from the German investigation files at the moment.
Officialdom ...the PJ ..had to shelve the case if you recall because the Tapas friends refused to accept the invitation to go back to PdaL for a re enactment  which might have helped . The parents could have helped by appealing to their friends but it didn't come off did it?

Time for sceptics to catch up with the Policia Judiciaria who are now recognising the fact of stranger abduction.  I don't think their current line is going to do much in the way of enhancing either Amaral's reputation or his book sales.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM
Im so pleased you recognise the fact that no assistance is needed from you so  can we keep him out of this?

  Seems to me CDM is in the good books of someone in the German prosecutor's domain or they wouldn't be publishing facts from the German investigation files at the moment.
Officialdom ...the PJ ..had to shelve the case if you recall because the Tapas friends refused to accept the invitation to go back to PdaL for a re enactment  which might have helped . The parents could have helped by appealing to their friends but it didn't come off did it?

i dont see any sign of CDM being in the germans good books. The only ino they ahve is what is currently in the public domain and has been given to the PJ to support their ILORS to portugal. Any leaking would then have come from the PJ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 20, 2021, 03:35:51 PM
i dont see any sign of CDM being in the germans good books. The only ino they ahve is what is currently in the public domain and has been given to the PJ to support their ILORS to portugal. Any leaking would then have come from the PJ
A series of articles were published a couple of nights ago by CDM's Tânia Laranjo, their  senior reporter who has followed this case from the beginning and has access to the German investigation files .
So you're saying these files were given to the PJ (by the Germans )and someone from there has leaked them to her?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 05:01:16 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 04:03:21 PM
A series of articles were published a couple of nights ago by CDM's Tânia Laranjo, their  senior reporter who has followed this case from the beginning and has access to the German investigation files .
So you're saying these files were given to the PJ (by the Germans )and someone from there has leaked them to her?

He does not have access to the files... He's not told us anything we don't know. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 06:08:52 PM
You know the person doesn't have access to the files  but not the gender of that senior reporter apparently .

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2021, 07:00:42 PM
The Germans jailed CB over the rape with dna evidence,  (and I'm not playing down the seriousness of rape as a lesser crime ) murder of Madeleine can't be concluded on circumstantial which is all the BKA have if reports are true.

He's a nasty piece of work who was supposedly in Luz, a phone linked to him is supposed to have been used for half an hour in the parish of Luz, lets also not forget so were the phones of three amigos who OG were keen on. Its possible the PJ will provide info that CB was looked at and eliminated.

Who hand on heart can say CB is definetly not included in these.

A - In the Inquiry there are passages that contain information that may conflict with the right to reserve the private life of persons, who are not English citizens, for whom the slightest indication of involvement in the present records indicated

Volume was not found. I, pages 211/212: refers to an individual with a past linked to crimes of a sexual nature against minors.

Volume II,
- pages 293/297: constitutes a list of individuals related to the practice of sexual crimes with minors and adolescents.
- pages 298/300: refers to an individual connoted with the practice of acts of pedophilia and exhibitionism;
- pages 473/474: refers to an individual connoted with the practice of acts of exhibitionism.

Volume III, pages 754/757: information and bibliographic file on the citizen related to acts of pedophilia.

Volume V, pages 1246/1254: list resulting from a search carried out in the PJ's Database on individuals of foreign nationality and those involved in sexual abuse of minors and pedophilia.

Volume XV,
- pages 4085/4100: reference to a Portuguese citizen with physical similarities with the robot portrait, with a police record containing convictions for robbery, rape and kidnapping.
- pages 4102/4110: identification of an English individual with physical similarities with the robot portrait.
- pages 4116/4127: investigations carried out with an individual mentioned for having committed a crime of sexual abuse of minors, with a police record and convictions for the same crime.

Volume XVI, pages 4130/4132: references the French citizen with physical similarities to the robot portrait.

Regarding the matter on pages referred to and for the reasons indicated, because we understand that it must remain a secret from justice, p. its removal, replacing it with the summary of what was contained therein and the constitution of an Attachment to be in the custody of the Entity considered competent for its custody, with the sole purpose of proving its existence, pursuant to the provisions of article 86 No. 7 of the CPP.








https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2021, 07:02:38 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 11:51:22 AM
Where is OG positioned ? Not a peep out of them ?

Circa £12 million, buys silence.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 06:08:52 PM
You know the person doesn't have access to the files  but not the gender of that senior reporter apparently .

I know the claim to have access to the German files is a lie
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 20, 2021, 07:21:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 20, 2021, 07:02:38 PM
Circa £12 million, buys silence.

Indeed it does.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 07:22:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 20, 2021, 07:00:42 PM
The Germans jailed CB over the rape with dna evidence,  (and I'm not playing down the seriousness of rape as a lesser crime ) murder of Madeleine can't be concluded on circumstantial which is all the BKA have if reports are true.

He's a nasty piece of work who was supposedly in Luz, a phone linked to him is supposed to have been used for half an hour in the parish of Luz, lets also not forget so were the phones of three amigos who OG were keen on. Its possible the PJ will provide info that CB was looked at and eliminated.

Who hand on heart can say CB is definetly not included in these.

A - In the Inquiry there are passages that contain information that may conflict with the right to reserve the private life of persons, who are not English citizens, for whom the slightest indication of involvement in the present records indicated

Volume was not found. I, pages 211/212: refers to an individual with a past linked to crimes of a sexual nature against minors.

Volume II,
- pages 293/297: constitutes a list of individuals related to the practice of sexual crimes with minors and adolescents.
- pages 298/300: refers to an individual connoted with the practice of acts of pedophilia and exhibitionism;
- pages 473/474: refers to an individual connoted with the practice of acts of exhibitionism.

Volume III, pages 754/757: information and bibliographic file on the citizen related to acts of pedophilia.

Volume V, pages 1246/1254: list resulting from a search carried out in the PJ's Database on individuals of foreign nationality and those involved in sexual abuse of minors and pedophilia.

Volume XV,
- pages 4085/4100: reference to a Portuguese citizen with physical similarities with the robot portrait, with a police record containing convictions for robbery, rape and kidnapping.
- pages 4102/4110: identification of an English individual with physical similarities with the robot portrait.
- pages 4116/4127: investigations carried out with an individual mentioned for having committed a crime of sexual abuse of minors, with a police record and convictions for the same crime.

Volume XVI, pages 4130/4132: references the French citizen with physical similarities to the robot portrait.

Regarding the matter on pages referred to and for the reasons indicated, because we understand that it must remain a secret from justice, p. its removal, replacing it with the summary of what was contained therein and the constitution of an Attachment to be in the custody of the Entity considered competent for its custody, with the sole purpose of proving its existence, pursuant to the provisions of article 86 No. 7 of the CPP.








https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

Muder can be proven on circumstantial evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2021, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 20, 2021, 07:22:49 PM
Muder can be proven on circumstantial evidence
You'll be trying to convince yourself this time next year with the same conviction.


How do you think the BKA  can suddenly overcome this ?

- Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 20, 2021, 07:28:18 PM
You'll be trying to convince yourself this time next year with the same conviction.


How do you think the BKA  can suddenly overcome this ?

- Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

Quite simple... The Germsns have found new evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 08:16:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 20, 2021, 07:19:26 PM
I know the claim to have access to the German files is a lie

 She .... ICDM chief reporter  ....claims to have seen them .
You're saying she's lying?
Yet she's revealed things that were not  in the public domain .....as you said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 08:24:44 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 08:16:24 PM

 She .... ICDM chief reporter  ....claims to have seen them .
You're saying she's lying?
Yet she's revealed things that were not  in the public domain .....as you said.

Can you supply the quote and source... I think you will find I'm right.  What had she revealed that is not in the public domain but in the German files
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 08:16:24 PM

 She .... ICDM chief reporter  ....claims to have seen them .
You're saying she's lying?
Yet she's revealed things that were not  in the public domain .....as you said.
Neither SY nor the PJ have access to the German files.. But you believe this journalist has
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 08:50:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 20, 2021, 08:24:44 PM
Can you supply the quote and source... I think you will find I'm right.  What had she revealed that is not in the public domain but in the German files
Clarify please how you would describe your idea of  public domain .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 08:52:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 20, 2021, 08:32:07 PM
Neither SY nor the PJ have access to the German files.. But you believe this journalist has
I believe she has  seen  documentation  from the German files
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 08:54:31 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 08:50:05 PM
Clarify please how you would describe your idea of  public domain .

Where's the quote... Public domain is something we've all heard before... So what new info has she revealed from the German files..

And explain how she has access to the files but SY and the PJ dont
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 08:56:21 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 08:52:37 PM
I believe she has  seen  documentation  from the German files

That isn't access to the files.. She may have been told by s pj officer what the PJ have been given... All already in the public domain
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 09:11:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 20, 2021, 08:56:21 PM
That isn't access to the files.. She may have been told by s pj officer what the PJ have been given... All already in the public domain
  Tânia Laranjo, the senior reporter of CM and who has followed this case from the beginning has issued a series of articles .
As we are all aware by now, CM had access to the German investigation and they are now publishing portions of those files.  at least now we know this is based on factual information, or rather on CM access to the German investigation files to Brueckner
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 09:19:41 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 09:11:43 PM
  Tânia Laranjo, the senior reporter of CM and who has followed this case from the beginning has issued a series of articles .
As we are all aware by now, CM had access to the German investigation and they are now publishing portions of those files.  at least now we know this is based on factual information, or rather on CM access to the German investigation files to Brueckner

So just because a sceptic says this and supplies no supporting  evidence you believe it to be true.
Do.. SY snd  thr PJ does not have access not you think this reporter does.. That sounds barmy to me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 20, 2021, 09:22:49 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 09:11:43 PM
  Tânia Laranjo, the senior reporter of CM and who has followed this case from the beginning has issued a series of articles .
As we are all aware by now, CM had access to the German investigation and they are now publishing portions of those files.  at least now we know this is based on factual information, or rather on CM access to the German investigation files to Brueckner
Can you give us some examples of information from these files that we were hitherto unaware of until published by CdM?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 20, 2021, 09:22:49 PM
Can you give us some examples of information from these files that we were hitherto unaware of until published by CdM?
I cannot because I haven't seen any .  That doesn't mean she hasn't either does it ? I don't go around calling people liars without proof .
Have you proof she's lying ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 10:05:24 PM
I cannot because I haven't seen any .  That doesn't mean she hasn't either does it ? I don't go around calling people liars without proof .
Have you proof she's lying ?
You go round claiming she has access to thr files without any proof... But you think that's ok
She does not have access to the fiiles... It's totally impossible... And she has provided no evidence she has..She has simply repeated things that are in most newspapers

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2021, 10:08:18 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 04:03:21 PM
A series of articles were published a couple of nights ago by CDM's Tânia Laranjo, their  senior reporter who has followed this case from the beginning and has access to the German investigation files .
So you're saying these files were given to the PJ (by the Germans )and someone from there has leaked them to her?

Could we have some Cites for this?

Merci Beaucoup.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 20, 2021, 10:26:14 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 10:05:24 PM
I cannot because I haven't seen any .  That doesn't mean she hasn't either does it ? I don't go around calling people liars without proof .
Have you proof she's lying ?

Has she actually claimed to have access to the German files.. I don't think she's has.. But has someone pretended she claimed this. You haven't provided a cite by her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 20, 2021, 10:35:33 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 20, 2021, 10:05:24 PM
I cannot because I haven't seen any .  That doesn't mean she hasn't either does it ? I don't go around calling people liars without proof .
Have you proof she's lying ?
I don't go around calling people liars without proof either, I just wondered what new revelations had been made.  If a journalist has been given access to police files then it must presumably be with the blessing of the police and with the presumption that information from those files will be incorporated in the articles that journalist writes about the case. It would seem odd to give her the files and say she must not reveal any new info, even odder to give her access and their blessing to reveal new info from them and for her not to do so, I'm sure you'd agree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2021, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 20, 2021, 10:35:33 PM
I don't go around calling people liars without proof either, I just wondered what new revelations had been made.  If a journalist has been given access to police files then it must presumably be with the blessing of the police and with the presumption that information from those files will be incorporated in the articles that journalist writes about the case. It would seem odd to give her the files and say she must not reveal any new info, even odder to give her access and their blessing to reveal new info from them and for her not to do so, I'm sure you'd agree.

Oh God, not again.

Gone for months and now back with a pile of unsubstantiated bottox.

I really do despair on occasions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 20, 2021, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 20, 2021, 10:26:14 PM
Has she actually claimed to have access to the German files.. I don't think she's has.. But has someone pretended she claimed this. You haven't provided a cite by her
It would seem that what the Germans have given her is access to statement made about Brueckner by his friends back in 2010
“Brueckner's friend reveals to police that the suspected abductor of Maddie is dangerous and likes to abuse women
'Investigação CM' had access to the statements of this man that were the trigger to place Brueckner at the centre of the investigation….”
Also details of a Facebook conversation between Brückner and other paedophiles, the details of which have already been widely reported.  I think the Germans have basically thrown CdM a few scraps from the files but not the entire thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 21, 2021, 12:14:06 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 20, 2021, 10:35:33 PM
I don't go around calling people liars without proof either, I just wondered what new revelations had been made.  If a journalist has been given access to police files then it must presumably be with the blessing of the police and with the presumption that information from those files will be incorporated in the articles that journalist writes about the case. It would seem odd to give her the files and say she must not reveal any new info, even odder to give her access and their blessing to reveal new info from them and for her not to do so, I'm sure you'd agree.
You're putting your own translation here on what I said .
I  don't think I said the Germans had givenher...... anything .
Access to  whatever  covers a few ways and means don't you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 21, 2021, 02:38:19 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 21, 2021, 12:14:06 AM
You're putting your own translation here on what I said .
I  don't think I said the Germans had givenher...... anything .
Access to  whatever  covers a few ways and means don't you think?

Your comments are somewhat convolute so it might be best not to argue a point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 21, 2021, 06:07:49 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 20, 2021, 07:51:01 PM
Quite simple... The Germsns have found new evidence
Your ego is crying out for it to be true, just so you can say I told you so, it'll be a long wait.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 21, 2021, 07:14:13 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 21, 2021, 06:07:49 AM
Your ego is crying out for it to be true, just so you can say I told you so, it'll be a long wait.

What about justice for Maddie. You do have a problem thst it looks like you and others have been wrong all along... Thsts what you can't accept
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 21, 2021, 07:22:06 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 21, 2021, 12:14:06 AM
You're putting your own translation here on what I said .
I  don't think I said the Germans had givenher...... anything .
Access to  whatever  covers a few ways and means don't you think?
Eh?  If you think she came by the files by foul rather than fair means she would surely have divulged stuff we didn’t slready know or have made it clear that the Germans had nothing they hadn’t already told is!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 21, 2021, 08:12:36 AM
It's entirely possible that the German police served a request for information on Facebook for access to Messenger information pertaining to CB, and the results have only recently come to fruition.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 21, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 21, 2021, 07:14:13 AM
What about justice for Maddie. You do have a problem thst it looks like you and others have been wrong all along... Thsts what you can't accept
What sort of justice will atone for her being left alone to fend for herself, who was there in her hour of need.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 21, 2021, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 21, 2021, 07:22:06 AM
Eh?  If you think she came by the files by foul rather than fair means she would surely have divulged stuff we didn’t slready know or have made it clear that the Germans had nothing they hadn’t already told is!
You're doing it again ,assuming what I'm thinking. Let''s move on after I've made it clear that no I don't think she's come across by foul means.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 21, 2021, 03:27:41 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 21, 2021, 03:23:34 PM
You're doing it again ,assuming what I'm thinking. Let''s move on after I've made it clear that no I don't think she's come across by foul means.
Well rather than me trying to guess what on earth you're on about why don't you just make it clear?  You wrote:
I"  don't think I said the Germans had given her...... anything .
Access to  whatever  covers a few ways and means don't you think?"

So - are we to take from that that you don't think the Germans authorised the release of the files to the journalist?

A simple yes or no and we can move on to the next stage of the discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 21, 2021, 03:33:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 21, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
What sort of justice will atone for her being left alone to fend for herself, who was there in her hour of need.

It is the celebrated sceptic "lack of empathy" which enables you to frame such a question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 21, 2021, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 21, 2021, 03:33:37 PM
It is the celebrated sceptic "lack of empathy" which enables you to frame such a question.

That's a myth.

I empathise deeply with Christian Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 21, 2021, 04:57:37 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 21, 2021, 03:33:37 PM
It is the celebrated sceptic "lack of empathy" which enables you to frame such a question.
Like it or not the story is she was left alone, in the dark in a strange room in a foreign country.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 21, 2021, 05:24:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 21, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
What sort of justice will atone for her being left alone to fend for herself, who was there in her hour of need.

there is some atonement in the perpertrator being brought to justice...or does he deserve no blame as the parents put her at risk
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 21, 2021, 05:38:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 21, 2021, 03:27:41 PM
Well rather than me trying to guess what on earth you're on about why don't you just make it clear?  You wrote:
I"  don't think I said the Germans had given her...... anything .
Access to  whatever  covers a few ways and means don't you think?"

So - are we to take from that that you don't think the Germans authorised the release of the files to the journalist?

A simple yes or no and we can move on to the next stage of the discussion.

I believe she has  seen  documentation  from the German files not in the public domain .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 21, 2021, 05:53:13 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 21, 2021, 05:38:32 PM

I believe she has  seen  documentation  from the German files not in the public domain .

So you have gone from stating as afact she has access to the files to posting a belief she has seen documentaion  from files not in the public domain.

As I said she does not have access to the German case files but may have seen some taht has been shared with the PJ. She has not revealed anythiing taht is not in the public domain
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 21, 2021, 06:56:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 21, 2021, 04:57:37 PM
Like it or not the story is she was left alone, in the dark in a strange room in a foreign country.

It isn't a story.  Madeleine, her siblings and the children of her parents holiday companions were left sleeping while the adults dined appx 45seconds away, with one or other of the parents checking on them at regular intervals.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.  It did after all happen fourteen+ years ago.

What wasn't advertised in the holiday brochures was that a paedophile was in action in the Algarve one of whose specialities included entering sleeping premises to carry out sexual assaults on children and sometimes petty burglary.
Madeleine McCann police seek intruder who attacked girls at holiday homes
Detectives said there had been an increase in criminality and burglary in Praia da Luz that peaked in April 2007, shortly before Madeleine's disappearance.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

What the Policia Judiciaria did know was that a group of burglars who were out and about and in phone communication with each other were abroad in Luz when Madeleine was abducted. 
Apparently nobody bothered with that until the PJ reopened investigation of Madeleine's case in 2013; the Brits opting to interrogate them while the PJ looked at Euclides Monteiro.
MADDIE MYSTERY Madeleine McCann ‘chief suspect’ was never interviewed by cops despite ‘credible’ theory he’d abducted Maddie after losing job at Praia da Luz Ocean Club
Nelson Rodrigues, a barman and waiter who worked with Monteiro in 2006 described him as a sketchy character.
In 2013 he told the Mirror: "On the surface he was a nice guy but there was something not right with him.                 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8764213/madeleine-mccann-chief-suspect-never-interviewed/

British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have returned to Portugal to question a number of suspects.
They will be speaking to a key witness, as well as several individuals suspected of carrying out burglaries, as part of the second phase of the Scotland Yard probe on the ground in The Algarve.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id498.htm

Amaral and sceptics ignore what was happening on the ground at the start of Madeleine's case by shifting all the blame for police incompetence and the actions of criminals of all types directly onto the shoulders of the parents.

Sceptics and Amaral have all been hand in glove for nearly fifteen years in the most cowardly, vilest campaign aimed to destroy two people you do not know and to impede in every which way possible any chance of finding Madeleine or what happened to her.
Believe you me it says soooo much more about you sceptic perpetrators than it ever could about the victims of your repulsive abuse.

Known to the Policia Judiciaria in 2007 at the time of Madeleine's disappearance was Brueckner.  There was so much time spent on denigrating Madeleine's parents from the word 'go' that nobody bothered with him! 
Think about that!
Sickeningly that was a time when it was possible that Madeleine could have been recovered and returned to her family.
Maddie case. PJ erred when he did not investigate Christian Brueckner better, admits Gonçalo Amaral
The former coordinator of the investigation of the PJ, Gonçalo Amaral, says that there were errors in the Portuguese investigation, but does not believe that Brueckner is the culprit or that the German authorities have evidence.
Gonçalo Amaral admits that German Christian Brueckner was also on the Judicial Police list at the time of Maddie's disappearance in 2007, but no one insisted on looking for him.
The former inspector of the Judicial Police, who coordinated the investigation at the time of the British girl's disappearance, tells the Morning Mail that they knocked on Brueckner's door - now the german police's prime suspect - but no one opened it. A report was made on the situation and no one ever looked for it again.
https://observador.pt/2021/10/08/caso-maddie-pj-errou-quando-nao-investigou-melhor-christian-brueckner-admite-goncalo-amaral/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 21, 2021, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 21, 2021, 05:38:32 PM

I believe she has  seen  documentation  from the German files not in the public domain .
There’s no evidence to support that statement IMO. Plus you avoided the question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on October 22, 2021, 04:30:29 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 21, 2021, 06:56:28 PM
It isn't a story.  Madeleine, her siblings and the children of her parents holiday companions were left sleeping while the adults dined appx 45seconds away, with one or other of the parents checking on them at regular intervals.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.  It did after all happen fourteen+ years ago.

What wasn't advertised in the holiday brochures was that a paedophile was in action in the Algarve one of whose specialities included entering sleeping premises to carry out sexual assaults on children and sometimes petty burglary.
Madeleine McCann police seek intruder who attacked girls at holiday homes
Detectives said there had been an increase in criminality and burglary in Praia da Luz that peaked in April 2007, shortly before Madeleine's disappearance.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

What the Policia Judiciaria did know was that a group of burglars who were out and about and in phone communication with each other were abroad in Luz when Madeleine was abducted. 
Apparently nobody bothered with that until the PJ reopened investigation of Madeleine's case in 2013; the Brits opting to interrogate them while the PJ looked at Euclides Monteiro.
MADDIE MYSTERY Madeleine McCann ‘chief suspect’ was never interviewed by cops despite ‘credible’ theory he’d abducted Maddie after losing job at Praia da Luz Ocean Club
Nelson Rodrigues, a barman and waiter who worked with Monteiro in 2006 described him as a sketchy character.
In 2013 he told the Mirror: "On the surface he was a nice guy but there was something not right with him.                 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8764213/madeleine-mccann-chief-suspect-never-interviewed/

British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have returned to Portugal to question a number of suspects.
They will be speaking to a key witness, as well as several individuals suspected of carrying out burglaries, as part of the second phase of the Scotland Yard probe on the ground in The Algarve.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id498.htm

Amaral and sceptics ignore what was happening on the ground at the start of Madeleine's case by shifting all the blame for police incompetence and the actions of criminals of all types directly onto the shoulders of the parents.

Sceptics and Amaral have all been hand in glove for nearly fifteen years in the most cowardly, vilest campaign aimed to destroy two people you do not know and to impede in every which way possible any chance of finding Madeleine or what happened to her.
Believe you me it says soooo much more about you sceptic perpetrators than it ever could about the victims of your repulsive abuse.

Known to the Policia Judiciaria in 2007 at the time of Madeleine's disappearance was Brueckner.  There was so much time spent on denigrating Madeleine's parents from the word 'go' that nobody bothered with him! 
Think about that!
Sickeningly that was a time when it was possible that Madeleine could have been recovered and returned to her family.
Maddie case. PJ erred when he did not investigate Christian Brueckner better, admits Gonçalo Amaral
The former coordinator of the investigation of the PJ, Gonçalo Amaral, says that there were errors in the Portuguese investigation, but does not believe that Brueckner is the culprit or that the German authorities have evidence.
Gonçalo Amaral admits that German Christian Brueckner was also on the Judicial Police list at the time of Maddie's disappearance in 2007, but no one insisted on looking for him.
The former inspector of the Judicial Police, who coordinated the investigation at the time of the British girl's disappearance, tells the Morning Mail that they knocked on Brueckner's door - now the german police's prime suspect - but no one opened it. A report was made on the situation and no one ever looked for it again.
https://observador.pt/2021/10/08/caso-maddie-pj-errou-quando-nao-investigou-melhor-christian-brueckner-admite-goncalo-amaral/

There are paedophiles everywhere. Generally the victims know the perpetrator. The fact is, as stated by Barrier, that Madeleine McCann and two younger siblings were left alone with a system of "checks" (for the most part listening for crying outside the apartment) that were wholly inadequate. Anything else is just speculation. She may have died in the apartment as the result of an accident, she may have been the victim of a rare stranger abduction.You do not know!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 22, 2021, 08:45:17 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on October 22, 2021, 04:30:29 AM
There are paedophiles everywhere. Generally the victims know the perpetrator. The fact is, as stated by Barrier, that Madeleine McCann and two younger siblings were left alone with a system of "checks" (for the most part listening for crying outside the apartment) that were wholly inadequate. Anything else is just speculation. She may have died in the apartment as the result of an accident, she may have been the victim of a rare stranger abduction.You do not know!

Indeed Mark Rowley had this to say about  sex offenders, none of it means one abducted Madeleine.

 The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been doing.


In the same interview he had this to say of phone records whilst hot on the tail of the three amigos, but NOT CB.
How did he slip through ? maybe he didn't.

So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if
the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had
the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with
phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there
was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 22, 2021, 11:01:52 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 22, 2021, 08:45:17 AM
Indeed Mark Rowley had this to say about  sex offenders, none of it means one abducted Madeleine.

 The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been doing.


In the same interview he had this to say of phone records whilst hot on the tail of the three amigos, but NOT CB.
How did he slip through ? maybe he didn't.

So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if
the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had
the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with
phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there
was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.
The coincidence for me is MM and her siblings being left unattended for certain amounts of time and a predatory paedophile happens upon the jackpot; if he dreamt of an ideal scenario it would look something like this.
That's beyond serendipity, I would suggest it was impossible. So perhaps the phone call (and I understand the data back then couldn't pinpoint locations) is one of the circumstantial elements HCW alludes to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 22, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 22, 2021, 11:01:52 AM
The coincidence for me is MM and her siblings being left unattended for certain amounts of time and a predatory paedophile happens upon the jackpot; if he dreamt of an ideal scenario it would look something like this.
That's beyond serendipity, I would suggest it was impossible. So perhaps the phone call (and I understand the data back then couldn't pinpoint locations) is one of the circumstantial elements HCW alludes to.

In Australia a little girl called Cleo has vanished from her parent's tent while they were all sleeping.
Living nearby are up to twenty sex offenders.

Do you think for one minute that each and every one of those people will not be traced and grilled regarding Cloe's disappearance as a matter of course and procedure with any who "don't answer their doors" being looked for with some diligence and answers demanded when they are found.

Amaral holds his hands up to the fact that nobody bothered to follow through on this man.

Other campers claim they heard the sound of a car speeding off around 3am, with police revealing up to 20 sex offenders live near the campsite where Cleo was last seen five days ago.

Investigators have disclosed that while there are currently no concrete suspects for Cleo's disappearance, there are 'groups they are interested in'.
 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10111927/Madeleine-McCann-cop-reveals-real-complication-Cleo-Smiths-disappearance-WA.html

You and fellow sceptics have the cheek to pontificate about Madeleine's parents while totally supporting the almost criminal negligence of investigators supposed to be looking for her along with the slurs perpetrated to distract from this dereliction of duty.

There is so much more known about Madeleine's disappearance than there was during the totally botched days of the 2007 investigation.  It really is time sceptics caught up with it all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 22, 2021, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 22, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
In Australia a little girl called Cleo has vanished from her parent's tent while they were all sleeping.
Living nearby are up to twenty sex offenders.

Do you think for one minute that each and every one of those people will not be traced and grilled regarding Cloe's disappearance as a matter of course and procedure with any who "don't answer their doors" being looked for with some diligence and answers demanded when they are found.

Amaral holds his hands up to the fact that
  • despite knowing he was a paedophile
  • despite access to phone records detailing his phone was in the vicinity just before Madeleine's abduction
nobody bothered to follow through on this man.

Other campers claim they heard the sound of a car speeding off around 3am, with police revealing up to 20 sex offenders live near the campsite where Cleo was last seen five days ago.

Investigators have disclosed that while there are currently no concrete suspects for Cleo's disappearance, there are 'groups they are interested in'.
 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10111927/Madeleine-McCann-cop-reveals-real-complication-Cleo-Smiths-disappearance-WA.html

You and fellow sceptics have the cheek to pontificate about Madeleine's parents while totally supporting the almost criminal negligence of investigators supposed to be looking for her along with the slurs perpetrated to distract from this dereliction of duty.

There is so much more known about Madeleine's disappearance than there was during the totally botched days of the 2007 investigation.  It really is time sceptics caught up with it all.

Could you clarify exactly what new information is 'known' about Madeleine's disappearance since 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 22, 2021, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 22, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
In Australia a little girl called Cleo has vanished from her parent's tent while they were all sleeping.
Living nearby are up to twenty sex offenders.

Do you think for one minute that each and every one of those people will not be traced and grilled regarding Cloe's disappearance as a matter of course and procedure with any who "don't answer their doors" being looked for with some diligence and answers demanded when they are found.

Amaral holds his hands up to the fact that
  • despite knowing he was a paedophile
  • despite access to phone records detailing his phone was in the vicinity just before Madeleine's abduction
nobody bothered to follow through on this man.

Other campers claim they heard the sound of a car speeding off around 3am, with police revealing up to 20 sex offenders live near the campsite where Cleo was last seen five days ago.

Investigators have disclosed that while there are currently no concrete suspects for Cleo's disappearance, there are 'groups they are interested in'.
 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10111927/Madeleine-McCann-cop-reveals-real-complication-Cleo-Smiths-disappearance-WA.html

You and fellow sceptics have the cheek to pontificate about Madeleine's parents while totally supporting the almost criminal negligence of investigators supposed to be looking for her along with the slurs perpetrated to distract from this dereliction of duty.

There is so much more known about Madeleine's disappearance than there was during the totally botched days of the 2007 investigation.  It really is time sceptics caught up with it all.
Perhaps you haven't stumbled across my other posts, I'm no sceptic.
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 22, 2021, 12:08:46 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 22, 2021, 11:59:04 AM
Perhaps you haven't stumbled across my other posts, I'm no sceptic.
Thanks for the warm welcome.

I follow all posts assiduously, Uncle Jr, and sometimes err as on this occasion when I responded to your post instead of Barrier's which is immediately above.
Barrier makes no bones about his/her scepticism and I think my response is appropriate there and not to you.

Please accept my apology ~ I'll probably sort it out later.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 22, 2021, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 22, 2021, 12:08:46 PM
I follow all posts assiduously, Uncle Jr, and sometimes err as on this occasion when I responded to your post instead of Barrier's which is immediately above.
Barrier makes no bones about his/her scepticism and I think my response is appropriate there and not to you.

Please accept my apology ~ I'll probably sort it out later.
No apology required.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 22, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 22, 2021, 11:48:39 AM
Could you clarify exactly what new information is 'known' about Madeleine's disappearance since 2007?

It goes like this, all you nasty sceptics have said Madeleine was dead with out proof, now we've got a nice policeman saying she's dead with out proof but its all right cause a policeman says it, innit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 22, 2021, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 22, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
It goes like this, all you nasty sceptics have said Madeleine was dead with out proof, now we've got a nice policeman saying she's dead with out proof but its all right cause a policeman says it, innit.

Yes, SY are investigating abduction by a stranger. But the fact is the strongest evidence of stranger abduction presented thus far by this extensive & expensive investigation is that someone said that Brueckner said he dunnit.

I must admit it is mighty hard being a sceptic when confronted with such irrefutable evidence of stranger abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 22, 2021, 01:04:42 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 22, 2021, 11:37:05 AM


There is so much more known about Madeleine's disappearance than there was during the totally botched days of the 2007 investigation.  It really is time sceptics caught up with it all.


Snip.

 Do you consider the expeditionary forces from OG digging up  the Luz countryside prior to posing questions of the three amigos  a roaring success in modern policing.

Mr Ribeiro told BBC Panorama: "I knew of nothing when the police arrived at my door with a piece of paper that had a drawing on it, saying it bore a likeness to me and that someone had said I was involved and that I looked like the person who had kidnapped Maddie.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39779256
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 22, 2021, 01:13:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 22, 2021, 01:04:42 PM

Snip.

 Do you consider the expeditionary forces from OG digging up  the Luz countryside prior to posing questions of the three amigos  a roaring success in modern policing.

Mr Ribeiro told BBC Panorama: "I knew of nothing when the police arrived at my door with a piece of paper that had a drawing on it, saying it bore a likeness to me and that someone had said I was involved and that I looked like the person who had kidnapped Maddie.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39779256
Ah, yes, the burglars who broke in and didn't steal anything. Those were simpler times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 22, 2021, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 22, 2021, 01:04:42 PM

Snip.

 Do you consider the expeditionary forces from OG digging up  the Luz countryside prior to posing questions of the three amigos  a roaring success in modern policing.

Mr Ribeiro told BBC Panorama: "I knew of nothing when the police arrived at my door with a piece of paper that had a drawing on it, saying it bore a likeness to me and that someone had said I was involved and that I looked like the person who had kidnapped Maddie.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39779256
Redwood never said he had concrete evidence.. That's the difference
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 22, 2021, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 22, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
It goes like this, all you nasty sceptics have said Madeleine was dead with out proof, now we've got a nice policeman saying she's dead with out proof but its all right cause a policeman says it, innit.
If you can't tell the difference between an armchair detective with zero access to a live investigation and a real one with total access to a live investigation then really there's no helping you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 22, 2021, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 22, 2021, 11:59:04 AM
Perhaps you haven't stumbled across my other posts, I'm no sceptic.
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Nice to have you here Uncle but did you really have to pick an avatar of a bloke with a bald head and glasses?  You stole Barrier's look!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 22, 2021, 02:10:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 22, 2021, 01:40:43 PM
Redwood never said he had concrete evidence.. That's the difference

Remember when Redwood said Maddie was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.
The supporting evidence for that is still noticeably absent.
He should have just said 'concrete evidence' & not presented any of that either, because that's effectively case solved isn't it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on October 22, 2021, 02:21:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 22, 2021, 01:52:13 PM
Nice to have you here Uncle but did you really have to pick an avatar of a bloke with a bald head and glasses?  You stole Barrier's look!
Don't offend him!!!   Sopranos will make you sing!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 22, 2021, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: Myster on October 22, 2021, 02:21:04 PM
Don't offend him!!!   Sopranos will make you sing!
Oh is that who it is?  Oops.  Sorry Signore Uncle....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 22, 2021, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 22, 2021, 02:45:13 PM
Oh is that who it is?  Oops.  Sorry Signore Uncle....
It's OK, I'm retired from all that, not that there was a 'that' (if there's any feds in here).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 22, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 22, 2021, 01:40:43 PM
Redwood never said he had concrete evidence.. That's the difference


Wolters is sure of concrete evidence he doesn't have.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 22, 2021, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 22, 2021, 04:31:57 PM

Wolters is sure of concrete evidence he doesn't have.

Does this concrete evidence pertain to Madeleine or to another part of the Brueckner investigation?

I can't remember the exact context of his interview(s)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 22, 2021, 05:43:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 22, 2021, 04:31:57 PM

Wolters is sure of concrete evidence he doesn't have.

I think you are... Iike a lot of sceptics... In denial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 22, 2021, 06:38:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 22, 2021, 05:43:48 PM
I think you are... Iike a lot of sceptics... In denial


Won't be long now...................
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 22, 2021, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 22, 2021, 05:43:48 PM
I think you are... Iike a lot of sceptics... In denial
Like Moses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 24, 2021, 09:14:56 AM
100% convinced but need a mock to test their evidence, really ?

Madeleine McCann cops' plan mock trial to test evidence against suspect Christian Brueckner


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-plan-mock-25284742?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 24, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 24, 2021, 09:14:56 AM
100% convinced but need a mock to test their evidence, really ?

Madeleine McCann cops' plan mock trial to test evidence against suspect Christian Brueckner


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-plan-mock-25284742?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Seems reasonable.  They are 100% convinced but would it stand up in a court of law?  Such rehearsals are not uncommon, Stephen Avery's defence staged one in one of their (unsuccessful) attempts to get his verdict overturned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 24, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
More confirmation that the evidence exists and progress is being made
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 24, 2021, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 24, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
More confirmation that the evidence exists and progress is being made

Because you read it in some rag!!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 24, 2021, 10:29:43 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 24, 2021, 10:13:38 AM
Because you read it in some rag!!!!
LOL.. I wonder how long you and others will stay in denial for.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 24, 2021, 10:33:41 AM
When Wolters says that based on the evidence he has.. He's 100% certain of CBs guilt... Then it's highly significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 24, 2021, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 24, 2021, 10:33:41 AM
When Wolters says that based on the evidence he has.. He's 100% certain of CBs guilt... Then it's highly significant

No, it's just libel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on October 24, 2021, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 24, 2021, 10:33:41 AM
When Wolters says that based on the evidence he has.. He's 100% certain of CBs guilt... Then it's highly significant

You know Prosecutors aren't always correct? This is a "Justice" forum after all. Due legal process and habeas corpus are basic tenets of justice. Not the proclamations of Prosecutors!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 24, 2021, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 24, 2021, 10:42:11 AM
No, it's just libel.

Not if he has the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 24, 2021, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on October 24, 2021, 11:27:29 AM
You know Prosecutors aren't always correct? This is a "Justice" forum after all. Due legal process and habeas corpus are basic tenets of justice. Not the proclamations of Prosecutors!!


The forum is selective on who it supports re justice... If Wolters has the evidence he claims then I think it's reasonable to suggest CB may well be guilty
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 24, 2021, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 24, 2021, 10:13:38 AM
Because you read it in some rag!!!!
You were the one who read it in some rag and brought it here for our consideration.  How about simply ignoring everything in the media, that way you can persist with your belief that the McCanns dunnit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 24, 2021, 12:55:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 24, 2021, 11:44:53 AM
You were the one who read it in some rag and brought it here for our consideration.  How about simply ignoring everything in the media, that way you can persist with your belief that the McCanns dunnit.


You've been challenged before on this and proved a failure, live up to it again and show where I've said or indicated the McCann's what dunnit, what ever the dunnit is ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 24, 2021, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 24, 2021, 11:37:29 AM

The forum is selective on who it supports re justice... If Wolters has the evidence he claims then I think it's reasonable to suggest CB may well be guilty

Yet Amaral made similar claims about the McCann's, look at your love for him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 24, 2021, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 24, 2021, 12:56:35 PM
Yet Amaral made similar claims about the McCann's, look at your love for him.

It depends on what evidence claims are made to... According to the ECHR
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 24, 2021, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 24, 2021, 12:55:11 PM

You've been challenged before on this and proved a failure, live up to it again and show where I've said or indicated the McCann's what dunnit, what ever the dunnit is ?
Do you think the McCanns covered up the death of their daughter?  A simple yes or no will clear this matter up once and for all - what's the betting you don't give a straight answer.... (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 24, 2021, 02:58:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 24, 2021, 09:14:56 AM
100% convinced but need a mock to test their evidence, really ?

Madeleine McCann cops' plan mock trial to test evidence against suspect Christian Brueckner


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-plan-mock-25284742?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Unattributed ~ and after running a very tight ship not surprising that such is making headlines after the German/Portuguese meeting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 24, 2021, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 24, 2021, 02:58:13 PM
Unattributed ~ and after running a very tight ship not surprising that such is making headlines after the German/Portuguese meeting.

You have nothing other than your prejudice to support that.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 24, 2021, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 24, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
Seems reasonable.  They are 100% convinced but would it stand up in a court of law?  Such rehearsals are not uncommon, Stephen Avery's defence staged one in one of their (unsuccessful) attempts to get his verdict overturned.

I think such rehearsal of evidence must be de rigueur for investigations;  also in German Law I have read there is a necessity for the prosecution to give as much weight to evidence suggesting innocence as to that suggesting guilt.
It would all have to be thoroughly run through and I think that would be a good way to process it all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 24, 2021, 03:10:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 24, 2021, 03:02:40 PM
You have nothing other than your prejudice to support that.  IMO

Sorry - did I miss the name of official spokesperson who released the news?  perhaps you can point out where the article names him or her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 24, 2021, 03:22:00 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 24, 2021, 02:58:13 PM
Unattributed ~ and after running a very tight ship not surprising that such is making headlines after the German/Portuguese meeting.
I think it's a crock, to be honest.
I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that such a mock up would happen, but in this case what's the point? It would be asking questions they already know the answers to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 24, 2021, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 24, 2021, 03:22:00 PM
I think it's a crock, to be honest.
I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that such a mock up would happen, but in this case what's the point? It would be asking questions they already know the answers to.

Get in a couple of the best defence lawyers...let them pick holes in the evidence.. See what arguments they would raise.. Quite a smart move
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 24, 2021, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 24, 2021, 03:27:56 PM
Get in a couple of the best defence lawyers...let them pick holes in the evidence.. See what arguments they would raise.. Quite a smart move

I think not only smart but highly logical;  I would be very surprised if the defence team don't use exactly the same technique when they have access to the prosecution files.
In fact if they didn't I would consider them incompetent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 24, 2021, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 24, 2021, 03:22:00 PM
I think it's a crock, to be honest.
I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that such a mock up would happen, but in this case what's the point? It would be asking questions they already know the answers to.
But they do happen, watch “Making A Murderer”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 25, 2021, 08:38:39 AM
Not to be outdone by the fakery in the daily Record the sun have upped their game.





A WITNESS in the Madeleine McCann probe is to sue discredited ­Portuguese cop Goncalo Amaral for defamation.

HGV driver Helge ­Busching, 49, identified prime suspect Christian B, 44, to cops.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16523999/witness-madeleine-mccann-sue-portuguese-cop/


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 08:59:09 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 25, 2021, 08:38:39 AM
Not to be outdone by the fakery in the daily Record the sun have upped their game.





A WITNESS in the Madeleine McCann probe is to sue discredited ­Portuguese cop Goncalo Amaral for defamation.

HGV driver Helge ­Busching, 49, identified prime suspect Christian B, 44, to cops.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16523999/witness-madeleine-mccann-sue-portuguese-cop/

Lets hope its true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:16:53 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 24, 2021, 04:47:03 PM
But they do happen, watch “Making A Murderer”.
The 'crock' being the story from the perennially inept Record, not the concept of a mock up; I'm sure they happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 25, 2021, 08:38:39 AM
Not to be outdone by the fakery in the daily Record the sun have upped their game.





A WITNESS in the Madeleine McCann probe is to sue discredited ­Portuguese cop Goncalo Amaral for defamation.

HGV driver Helge ­Busching, 49, identified prime suspect Christian B, 44, to cops.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16523999/witness-madeleine-mccann-sue-portuguese-cop/

And I wonder who is behind that  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 09:19:33 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:16:53 AM
The 'crock' being the story from the perennially inept Record, not the concept of a mock up; I'm sure they happen.
It would be a strange story to completely invent from scratch.  I’m sure there’s a kernel of truth in it myself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 24, 2021, 04:23:22 PM
I think not only smart but highly logical;  I would be very surprised if the defence team don't use exactly the same technique when they have access to the prosecution files.
In fact if they didn't I would consider them incompetent.
That's all very well and good, but they won't have a clue what the defence have. They can only test the potential lines of defence tactics.
As for the defence, of course they will pick the most advantageous way to pick apart the prosecution, given that they only need to introduce reasonable doubt.
Who knows, Ralph Wiggum Herr Fulscher may have the chair fallage evidence he proclaims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2021, 09:19:33 AM
It would be a strange story to completely invent from scratch.  I’m sure there’s a kernel of truth in it myself.
Yes, the truth being the concept of a mock-up existing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 09:45:40 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:22:14 AM
That's all very well and good, but they won't have a clue what the defence have. They can only test the potential lines of defence tactics.
As for the defence, of course they will pick the most advantageous way to pick apart the prosecution, given that they only need to introduce reasonable doubt.
Who knows, Ralph Wiggum Herr Fulscher may have the chair fallage evidence he proclaims.

The whole point is I think they know exactly what the defence have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 09:51:45 AM
They have interviewed all friends and associates he had around that time and he disappeared off the face of the earth... He has some explaining to do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2021, 09:45:40 AM
The whole point is I think they know exactly what the defence have.
So you're suggesting that, not only do they know what the defence have by way of mitigation, they also know which strategy they're going to deploy at a trial and will test it during a legal mock-up?
There's an awful lot of prevarication going on by a prosecution who apparently hold all the cards.

I think it will go like this if CB even deigns to utter a word, given the obvious HCW focus.....
Prosecution Lawyer - 'were you at Apartment 5a on the night?'
CB - 'no'
Prosecution Lawyer - 'where were you then?'
CB - 'at home'
Prosecution Lawyer - 'why did your phone ping nearby then?'
CB - 'I lived nearby'
Prosecution Lawyer - 'who called you for 30 minutes on the night?'
CB - 'no idea'

Without the ID of the caller this strand of evidence is dead.
They might then get in to the mobile phone technology limitations.
If they have other compelling evidence, they may be better focussing on that, perhaps some half-decent witness testimony.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 10:02:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2021, 09:51:45 AM
They have interviewed all friends and associates he had around that time and he disappeared off the face of the earth... He has some explaining to do
Well he doesn't really, with the burden of proof being on the prosecution. It's highly likely he won't utter a word if it ever goes to trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 25, 2021, 10:05:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2021, 09:51:45 AM
They have interviewed all friends and associates he had around that time and he disappeared off the face of the earth... He has some explaining to do

If he was arrested it might help his defence if he explained.

But I don't know if you've noticed or not, he hasn't even been interviewed.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 10:05:45 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:22:49 AM
Yes, the truth being the concept of a mock-up existing.
I can't imagine the newpaper editor and hacks sitting around a table tossing ideas about with regard to what story to invent to put in the papers and coming up with this one, quite frankly.   It's a bit underwhelming as far as sensational scoops are concerned.  Far more likely IMO that the idea was seeded by something that emanated from a genuine source close to the investigation.  But really, it's of little consequence either way. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 10:11:07 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:22:14 AM
That's all very well and good, but they won't have a clue what the defence have. They can only test the potential lines of defence tactics.
As for the defence, of course they will pick the most advantageous way to pick apart the prosecution, given that they only need to introduce reasonable doubt.
Who knows, Ralph Wiggum Herr Fulscher may have the chair fallage evidence he proclaims.
Why do you assume that?  If Fulscher is at liberty to snoop around Portugal and amass evidence of chair-toppling importance, why not the prosecution also?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 25, 2021, 10:16:11 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:59:12 AM
So you're suggesting that, not only do they know what the defence have by way of mitigation, they also know which strategy they're going to deploy at a trial and will test it during a legal mock-up?
There's an awful lot of prevarication going on by a prosecution who apparently hold all the cards.

I think it will go like this if CB even deigns to utter a word, given the obvious HCW focus.....
Prosecution Lawyer - 'were you at Apartment 5a on the night?'
CB - 'no'
Prosecution Lawyer - 'where were you then?'
CB - 'at home'
Prosecution Lawyer - 'why did your phone ping nearby then?'
CB - 'I lived nearby'
Prosecution Lawyer - 'who called you for 30 minutes on the night?'
CB - 'no idea'

Without the ID of the caller this strand of evidence is dead.
They might then get in to the mobile phone technology limitations.
If they have other compelling evidence, they may be better focussing on that, perhaps some half-decent witness testimony.

Yes, but what happens when Wolters whips out the photographic evidence of Brueckner murdering Maddie?

He won't be able to deny it then will he.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 10:02:16 AM
Well he doesn't really, with the burden of proof being on the prosecution. It's highly likely he won't utter a word if it ever goes to trial.

Depends on the evidence... He may well need to explain

Richard Madeley walked out of tesco with a few bottles.
He gave an explanation.. What do you think would have happened if hed remained silent .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 10:21:18 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2021, 10:11:07 AM
Why do you assume that?  If Fulscher is at liberty to snoop around Portugal and amass evidence of chair-toppling importance, why not the prosecution also?
Yeh, maybe 'no clue' was a tad strong. They may have some sense of what they may come up with.
I think, knowing nothing about law, etc, etc, they have to place him at the scene more tangibly than they've suggested previously. The weight of the phone evidence and snitch testimony may be enough, that's to be tested.

It's going to be an interesting one, with no body, no DNA, no CCTV, no forensics of any kind, but a barrel of circumstantial evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 25, 2021, 10:16:11 AM
Yes, but what happens when Wolters whips out the photographic evidence of Brueckner murdering Maddie?

He won't be able to deny it then will he.


He can claim it's photo-shopped.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2021, 10:20:07 AM
Depends on the evidence... He may well need to explain

Richard Madeley walked out of tesco with a few bottles.
He gave an explanation.. What do you think would have happened if hed remained silent .
Who hasn't done the old swap and drop at the Tesco self-checkout?
I don't think he will need to explain anything. But he may proffer an arbitrary alibi, given that HCW has told the world that he can't place CB at the scene.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 10:33:23 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 10:24:38 AM
Who hasn't done the old swap and drop at the Tesco self-checkout?
I don't think he will need to explain anything. But he may proffer an arbitrary alibi, given that HCW has told the world that he can't place CB at the scene.

Failure to account for his movements on the day could  be an important point for the prosecution
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2021, 10:33:23 AM
Failure to account for his movements on the day could  be an important point for the prosecution
...and all that does is place him somewhere on planet Earth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 11:27:16 AM
So may years after the event, I would think it very difficult for any witness to pinpoint him to anywhere in particular, unless he appears on holiday photographs. Even then there could be doubt about the accuracy of the camera time.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 11:09:53 AM
...and all that does is place him somewhere on planet Earth.

I disagree. Although silence itself cannot be taken as an indication of guilt lack of explanation can.
My understanding is that with circumstantial evidence aothough each piece when taken separately can be seen as a flimsy piece of thread when joined together they form a very strong cable..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 11:32:13 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 11:27:16 AM
So may years after the event, I would think it very difficult for any witness to pinpoint him to anywhere in particular, unless he appears on holiday photographs. Even then there could be doubt about the accuracy of the camera time.

Wait and see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 11:32:47 AM
Have we done the 'changed the car registration name' again yet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 11:32:47 AM
Have we done the 'changed the car registration name' again yet?

No, do you think it significant ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 11:43:25 AM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 11:40:02 AM
No, do you think it significant ?
It might be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2021, 11:31:08 AM
I disagree. Although silence itself cannot be taken as an indication of guilt lack of explanation can.
My understanding is that with circumstantial evidence aothough each piece when taken separately can be seen as a flimsy piece of thread when joined together they form a very strong cable..
Nice analogy, but I prefer to see it as pieces of timber used to bolster a structure, with the defence attacking each piece to attempt to topple it. It would only take the defence one successful strike to, at the very least, introduce reasonable doubt.

Realistically though, would CB be instructed to keep shtum? If he's the idiot we suspect, Fulscher would surely be reticent to let him speak for himself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2021, 11:43:25 AM
It might be.
It is. It's circumstantial evidence of possible obfuscation.
It may be simply explained, however, irrespective of how plausible the explanation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 11:49:40 AM
Nice analogy, but I prefer to see it as pieces of timber used to bolster a structure, with the defence attacking each piece to attempt to topple it. It would only take the defence one successful strike to, at the very least, introduce reasonable doubt.

Realistically though, would CB be instructed to keep shtum? If he's the idiot we suspect, Fulscher would surely be reticent to let him speak for himself.
Do we suspect he's an idiot?  I don't. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Do we suspect he's an idiot?  I don't.
Well he's not particularly successful at evading capture generally (apart from the obvious), or even being forensically or evidentially aware.
In addition to his apparent continual running of his mouth to anyone who'll listen.
So no, not particularly bright.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 12:15:48 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 09:17:27 AM
And I wonder who is behind that  8(0(*

No mystery about that.  The person feeling aggrieved at being defamed in Amaral's book is named in the link you posted as Helge Busching.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Do we suspect he's an idiot?  I don't.

Nor me neither.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 12:33:00 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:22:14 AM
That's all very well and good, but they won't have a clue what the defence have. They can only test the potential lines of defence tactics.
As for the defence, of course they will pick the most advantageous way to pick apart the prosecution, given that they only need to introduce reasonable doubt.
Who knows, Ralph Wiggum Herr Fulscher may have the chair fallage evidence he proclaims.

If Brueckner has given his Defence Team an indisputable get out clause it would be rather politic for them to share.  In that way he can be eliminated from the inquiry.
Which would allow the police to move onto another burglar and convicted paedophile and rapist, domicile in Luz and phoning from Luz at the relevant time and who apparently confessed to the crime perpetrated against Madeleine in 2017,  to be investigated.

Wonder why they haven't done that.

Maybe because the evidence the German investigation holds against Brueckner cancels out the rapist's certainty that they won't find any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 12:36:25 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 09:59:12 AM
So you're suggesting that, not only do they know what the defence have by way of mitigation, they also know which strategy they're going to deploy at a trial and will test it during a legal mock-up?
There's an awful lot of prevarication going on by a prosecution who apparently hold all the cards.

I think it will go like this if CB even deigns to utter a word, given the obvious HCW focus.....
Prosecution Lawyer - 'were you at Apartment 5a on the night?'
CB - 'no'
Prosecution Lawyer - 'where were you then?'
CB - 'at home'
Prosecution Lawyer - 'why did your phone ping nearby then?'
CB - 'I lived nearby'
Prosecution Lawyer - 'who called you for 30 minutes on the night?'
CB - 'no idea'

Without the ID of the caller this strand of evidence is dead.
They might then get in to the mobile phone technology limitations.
If they have other compelling evidence, they may be better focussing on that, perhaps some half-decent witness testimony.

What makes you so certain that the caller's ID isn't already known to the police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 12:38:55 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 10:02:16 AM
Well he doesn't really, with the burden of proof being on the prosecution. It's highly likely he won't utter a word if it ever goes to trial.

It is possible ~ but I don't think he will do that.  Particularly if he suffers from the delusion that he is more intelligent than anyone else in the room.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 12:33:00 PM
If Brueckner has given his Defence Team an indisputable get out clause it would be rather politic for them to share.  In that way he can be eliminated from the inquiry.
Which would allow the police to move onto another burglar and convicted paedophile and rapist, domicile in Luz and phoning from Luz at the relevant time and who apparently confessed to the crime perpetrated against Madeleine in 2017,  to be investigated.

Wonder why they haven't done that.

Maybe because the evidence the German investigation holds against Brueckner cancels out the rapist's certainty that they won't find any.

But you have to ask why he should be interested in helping police further their investigations ?

If he is innocent, then he'll know there is nothing for them to find, but may be quite content for them to waste their time

If he's not innocent, then he's hardly likely to help them either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 10:24:38 AM
Who hasn't done the old swap and drop at the Tesco self-checkout?
I don't think he will need to explain anything. But he may proffer an arbitrary alibi, given that HCW has told the world that he can't place CB at the scene.

David Gilroy was found guilty of murder despite not taking the stand at his trial.  The case built by the police using the available circumstantial evidence did for him despite the remains of his victim never being found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 11:49:40 AM
Nice analogy, but I prefer to see it as pieces of timber used to bolster a structure, with the defence attacking each piece to attempt to topple it. It would only take the defence one successful strike to, at the very least, introduce reasonable doubt.

Realistically though, would CB be instructed to keep shtum? If he's the idiot we suspect, Fulscher would surely be reticent to let him speak for himself.

I think Brueckner is many things but I don't think "idiot" is one of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 12:52:31 PM
Big difference is that Gilroy knew his victim and worked with her, so connections could be made.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 12:52:31 PM
Big difference is that Gilroy knew his victim and worked with her, so connections could be made.
Agreed, these two cases are not comparable, as the preponderance of circumstantial evidence against Gilroy was overwhelming  - co-workers, ex-lovers, text messages, lack of text messages, the car journey, the stuff in the boot, the lack of stuff in the boot, the CCTV footage, the forensics, the knackered car, etc.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
I think Brueckner is many things but I don't think "idiot" is one of them.
Do you have any evidence of him being mentally sophisticated, given the number of times he's been caught?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
Agreed, these two cases are not comparable, as the preponderance of circumstantial evidence against Gilroy was overwhelming  - co-workers, ex-lovers, text messages, lack of text messages, the car journey, the stuff in the boot, the lack of stuff in the boot, the CCTV footage, the forensics, the knackered car, etc.
You don't know what evidence Wolters has.. CB... burglar.. May have been at OC before.. And paedophile
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2021, 01:15:38 PM
You don't know what evidence Wolters has.. CB... burglar.. May have been at OC before.. And paedophile

Yeah, him and hundreds of others.

If he lived in PDL he's bound to have been around OC - they have properties all over the village.

No forensics to tie him to 5A remember
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 01:43:39 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 12:13:52 PM
Well he's not particularly successful at evading capture generally (apart from the obvious), or even being forensically or evidentially aware.
In addition to his apparent continual running of his mouth to anyone who'll listen.
So no, not particularly bright.
I’m getting a distinct whiff of deja vu about our conversation.  I’m sure it’s entirely coincidental.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 01:10:50 PM
Do you have any evidence of him being mentally sophisticated, given the number of times he's been caught?

Or the number of crimes he has committed that no one knows about yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 01:10:50 PM
Do you have any evidence of him being mentally sophisticated, given the number of times he's been caught?
Do you have any evidence that it was down to a lack of mental competency that led to his arrests on previous occasions?  Or was it more to do with the fact that he has always been a high risk taker which has absolutely nothing to do with IQ*.   He has been described by previous friends and colleagues as intelligent but of course it's all comparative.  Perhaps they were all complete amoebas in the braincell department. 

*I take that back https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151130113545.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 02:30:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2021, 01:54:01 PM
Do you have any evidence that it was down to a lack of mental competency that led to his arrests on previous occasions?  Or was it more to do with the fact that he has always been a high risk taker which has absolutely nothing to do with IQ*.   He has been described by previous friends and colleagues as intelligent but of course it's all comparative.  Perhaps they were all complete amoebas in the braincell department. 

*I take that back https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151130113545.htm
I don't know. It's a side issue, granted.
He seems to act on impulse; an opportunist, so I suppose mental capacity goes out of the window.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 03:06:10 PM
Acting on impulse doesn't fit well with the carefully planned stolen to order  by human traffickers  scenario that has been suggested  in the past.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 03:32:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 03:06:10 PM
Acting on impulse doesn't fit well with the carefully planned stolen to order  by human traffickers  scenario that has been suggested  in the past.
Fair point, but I suppose a sexual predator has to be somewhat opportunistic.
Other crimes, such as drug dealing and trafficking are planned, but at his level, running a few kilos of hash across Schengen is essentially a delivery driver.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 03:53:04 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 03:32:36 PM
Fair point, but I suppose a sexual predator has to be somewhat opportunistic.
Other crimes, such as drug dealing and trafficking are planned, but at his level, running a few kilos of hash across Schengen is essentially a delivery driver.

I agree.

I see him as a bit of a Walter Mitty, pretending to be a big dealer, carrying a gun (probably a replica) and boasting about his supposed  exploits.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 04:01:42 PM

How many burglaries has Breuckner been convicted of?

Stealing a child to order would be the same thing to him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 04:01:42 PM
How many burglaries has Breuckner been convicted of?

Stealing a child to order would be the same thing to him.

I don't know. How many burglaries has he been convicted for ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 04:14:07 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 04:09:31 PM
I don't know. How many burglaries has he been convicted for ?

Anyone?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 25, 2021, 04:22:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 04:09:31 PM
I don't know. How many burglaries has he been convicted for ?

None?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 25, 2021, 04:22:23 PM
None?
Really? None?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 25, 2021, 04:22:23 PM
None?

That's what I thought - but wasn't sure
which poses an interesting question -
If he's never been convicted for burglary, how do we know he has committed any ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 04:29:08 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 04:26:16 PM
That's what I thought - but wasn't sure
which poses an interesting question -
If he's never been convicted for burglary, how do we know he has committed any ?

Really?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 04:33:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 04:29:08 PM
Really?

Yes, where has this information come from ?  Tabloids, concerned friends or what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 25, 2021, 04:22:23 PM
None?
He has a conviction for stealing diesel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 04:38:15 PM
Everything depends on what evidence Wolters has.. Without knowing what discussion really is pointless
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 04:26:16 PM
That's what I thought - but wasn't sure
which poses an interesting question -
If he's never been convicted for burglary, how do we know he has committed any ?
He has been convicted of theft.  He has a conviction for entering  property and raping the occupant.  A witness at the rape trial said he used to climb into holiday apartments to rob them.  I believe there was one report that said his house was full of victims' passports and other personal effects.  Choose to disbelieve it all if you prefer.  I'm sure it's all part of the plot to blacken this paragon of virtue's name.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 04:54:21 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
He has a conviction for stealing petrol.
Who doesn't?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 05:02:28 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 12:52:31 PM
Big difference is that Gilroy knew his victim and worked with her, so connections could be made.

So did quite a few people and I am quite sure they were all checked out.  There was obviously no evidence against any of them.  There was only evidence against Gilroy which probably made all the difference
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:04:20 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 04:54:21 PM
Who doesn't?
Me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
Agreed, these two cases are not comparable, as the preponderance of circumstantial evidence against Gilroy was overwhelming  - co-workers, ex-lovers, text messages, lack of text messages, the car journey, the stuff in the boot, the lack of stuff in the boot, the CCTV footage, the forensics, the knackered car, etc.

No-one outside the investigation knows what the evidence is against Brueckner.  I expect it to be quite substantial and I am sure will enable the German Police to make their case just as Police Scotland made theirs with the evidence they had against Gilroy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 05:16:10 PM

Are we now saying that Brueckner was never a burglar or adept at breaking into houses and appartments?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:19:31 PM
Thanks to Websleuths - CB’s criminal record

04/05/1992 - Theft and driving without a licence (Court of Wurzburg)
09/11/1992 - Theft (Court of Wurzburg)
06/05/1993 - Theft and driving without a licence (Court of Wurzburg)
13/10/1994 - Child sexual abuse (Court of Wurzburg)
G 27/12/2005 - Driving without insurance and violation of gun legislation/carrying a weapon (Court of Pforzheim)
26/10/2006 - Disobedience (Court of Lagos) Note: this is for the German Jag plates and CB was already in Prison at this point for the Diesel theft)
21/12/2006 - Diesel theft (Court of Portimao) Note: CB had already been in prison for 8.5 months for this crime when the trial eventually took place.
17/11/2010 - Falsification of documents (Court of Hannover)
06/10/2011 - Drug dealing/Trafficking (Court of Niebull)
28/01/2013 - Theft (Court of Hannover)
14/03/2013 - Violation of gun legislation/carrying a weapon (Court of Braunschweig)
15/07/2015 - Attempted theft (Court of Braunschweig)
16/02/2016 - Child sexual abuse and possession of child pornography (Court of Braunschweig)
08/06/2016 - Drink driving, driving without insurance and falsification of documents (Court of Helmstedt)
Dec 2019 - Rape of 72-year-old (Court of Braunschweig)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:20:50 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 05:16:10 PM
Are we now saying that Brueckner was never a burglar or adept at breaking into houses and appartments?
I’m not, but it seems some people would like to push that agenda.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 05:24:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 05:16:10 PM
Are we now saying that Brueckner was never a burglar or adept at breaking into houses and appartments?

Seems to be hearsay as far as conviction is concerned, which is the point originally raised.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:26:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 05:24:20 PM
Seems to be hearsay as far as conviction is concerned, which is the point originally raised.
He has six convictions for theft or attempted theft.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 05:29:34 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 01:10:50 PM
Do you have any evidence of him being mentally sophisticated, given the number of times he's been caught?

How many times would that be? 
He enjoyed a hedonistic well travelled lifestyle to which only the well heeled can aspire.
In my opinion Brueckner's record of convictions is hardly commensurate with the lifestyle he led by all accounts from the proceeds of his criminal career. 
Brueckner apparently made enough from burglary to keep the wolf from his door (not to mention the PJ).
He did enjoy his collection of vehicles and apparently he was into property from purchasing allotments ~ factory sites and a corner shop, all of which he apparently bought outright.

He kept well ahead of the PJ from their abortive attempt to interview him in connection with Madeleine's case in 2007 until almost the present day ~ so he was definitely at least one step ahead of them.  Hmmm - in retrospect that indeed proves nothing - it's hardly an accolade is it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:31:11 PM
“ Portuguese detectives compiled a list of 25 unsolved break-ins in Praia da Luz in the first eight months of the year of the September 2 2005 rape in a bid to catch the sex offender when he was still at large.

A police report included in the court files, detailing a review of the crimes, says: 'An analysis of the break-ins that have occurred since the start of 2005, right up to the date of the sex offence, has taken place.

'The possibility the sex offender could be related to the home burglaries is not something that can be excluded.

'However it has not been possible to obtain any evidence linking the crimes, given that the identity of the person or people behind the burglaries remains unknown.' The sequence of break-ins is also laid out in the files, showing the first Praia da Luz crime occurred on January 11 and the victims were a British model and her producer partner.

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The intruder crept into the property while they were in their living room and took a £3,600 laptop and a Samsung mobile as well as cash, credit cards, sunglasses and a British passport.

Two teenage students from Loughborough in Leicester, aged 18 and 16, were targeted just over two months later while they were out.

They came back home to find cash and credit cards had been stolen.

The court files show three Brit holidaymakers were the victims of almost identical break-ins on the evenings of August 6 and 7, less than a month before the American OAP was raped in the same holiday resort.

The burglaries occurred while the tourists were out for the night, with the intruder forcing entry at two of the properties before stealing valuables including cash, cameras, a watch and computer equipment.

There were no witnesses to the spate of crimes and no DNA profiles are believed to have been obtained by police at the time.”

The sex offender the police were looking for by focusing on the 25 burglaries at the time and later convicted of the rape was Christian Bruckener.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 05:31:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:26:43 PM
He has six convictions for theft or attempted theft.

And he broke into that woman's house when he raped her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 05:31:47 PM
What is difference between theft and burglary?

Theft means taking someone's property but does not involve the use of force.
 
Burglary means illegally entering a property in order to steal property from it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:33:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 25, 2021, 05:31:47 PM
What is difference between theft and burglary?

Theft means taking someone's property but does not involve the use of force.
 
Burglary means illegally entering a property in order to steal property from it.
Whose definition is that?  Yours?  If you are robbed at gunpoint that is theft, and it involves force!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:34:50 PM
THEFT: the action or crime of stealing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:35:40 PM
Theft

noun [ C or U ]
UK  /θeft/ US  /θeft/
 
B2
(the act of) dishonestly taking something that belongs to someone else and keeping it:
Unfortunately, we have had several thefts in the building recently.
Shoplifting is theft.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
What is the legal definition of theft?
The generic term for all crimes in which a person intentionally takes personal property of another without permission or consent and with the intent to convert it to the taker's use (including potential sale).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 05:31:16 PM
And he broke into that woman's house when he raped her.
A case of burglary followed by rape.

“In past years, burglary crimes most often targeted breaking into someone else's home or dwelling. Today, burglary laws are much broader. A person can commit burglary by unlawfully entering any structure, building, and sometimes a conveyance (like a vehicle) with the intent to commit a crime inside. For purposes of burglary laws, a "structure" generally includes nonresidential buildings, offices, sheds, places of worship, warehouses, trailers, and even temporary structures such as tents.
Breaking. Some people mistakenly believe a destructive or forceful breaking (like busting a door jam or window) must occur in order to be charged with burglary, but that isn't the case. A person can commit a burglary even if the only force used to enter a building is pushing open a door or slightly lifting an already unlocked and open window”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 05:59:12 PM
By definition rape involve illegal entry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 25, 2021, 05:29:34 PM
How many times would that be? 
He enjoyed a hedonistic well travelled lifestyle to which only the well heeled can aspire.
In my opinion Brueckner's record of convictions is hardly commensurate with the lifestyle he led by all accounts from the proceeds of his criminal career. 
Brueckner apparently made enough from burglary to keep the wolf from his door (not to mention the PJ).
He did enjoy his collection of vehicles and apparently he was into property from purchasing allotments ~ factory sites and a corner shop, all of which he apparently bought outright.

He kept well ahead of the PJ from their abortive attempt to interview him in connection with Madeleine's case in 2007 until almost the present day ~ so he was definitely at least one step ahead of them.  Hmmm - in retrospect that indeed proves nothing - it's hardly an accolade is it.
He lived in an abandoned factory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 25, 2021, 08:05:47 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 08:02:59 PM
He lived in an abandoned factory.

Yes, living in a camper van is hardly aspirational - at least not in my books
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 08:02:59 PM
He lived in an abandoned factory.

Not only.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 25, 2021, 08:06:19 PM
Not only.
He certainly wasn't some well-heeled, Rafflesesque playboy, wafting around like David Niven attending cocktail parties, he was an abject, slimy toe-rag living hand to mouth, dossing on couches, dealing in crappy bangers, robbing and selling whatever was going.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 08:16:16 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 08:13:01 PM
He certainly wasn't some well-heeled, Rafflesesque playboy, wafting around like David Niven attending cocktail parties, he was an abject, slimy toe-rag living hand to mouth, dossing on couches, dealing in crappy bangers, robbing and selling whatever was going.
And yet he also lived in a string of villas and bungalows, some of which appeared quite presentable (on the outise at least).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 25, 2021, 08:16:16 PM
And yet he also lived in a string of villas and bungalows, some of which appeared quite presentable (on the outise at least).
I doubt he owned any of them. It's likely he was squatting, or couch-surfing.
I don't doubt he made a decent score occasionally, but he doesn't strike me as the type to invest those ill-gotten gains in real estate. He'd be more likely yo invest in dope, which he apparently did on at least one occasion - he couldn't even do that right, the big dosser.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 08:32:42 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on October 25, 2021, 08:20:00 PM
I doubt he owned any of them. It's likely he was squatting, or couch-surfing.
I don't doubt he made a decent score occasionally, but he doesn't strike me as the type to invest those ill-gotten gains in real estate. He'd be more likely yo invest in dope, which he apparently did on at least one occasion - he couldn't even do that right, the big dosser.
Investing in real estate is not the German way, though he did buy the box factory,  he did own a big expensive campervan at one point, and a Jag, and had his own kiosk business.  Not quite sure what point you are trying to argue though.  That he is/was a complete imbecile?  I really don’t think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 25, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
He also owned this building
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9912139/Pictured-Maddie-suspects-dungeon-convicted-paedophiles-house-wanted-basement.html
Which looks rather charming from the outside, maybe the new owner gave it a makeover.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 08:56:52 PM
For me from what, Wolters has said he has a, photo of MM post abduction that does not feature CB.. He has even appealed for information re the interiors of places.CB has lived in to see if there is a link. He now feels he can charge.. Imo he threrfore must have even more than this... Enough to make the link
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on October 25, 2021, 10:18:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2021, 08:56:52 PM
For me from what, Wolters has said he has a, photo of MM post abduction that does not feature CB.. He has even appealed for information re the interiors of places.CB has lived in to see if there is a link. He now feels he can charge.. Imo he threrfore must have even more than this... Enough to make the link

When has he said he is now in a position to charge CB?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on October 25, 2021, 10:18:46 PM
When has he said he is now in a position to charge CB?

Last newspaper report
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 25, 2021, 10:28:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2021, 10:24:07 PM
Last newspaper report
Which is ....if we can have a li k to that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 25, 2021, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 25, 2021, 10:28:38 PM
Which is ....if we can have a li k to that ?

Didn't you see it

Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 25, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on October 25, 2021, 10:30:20 PM
Didn't you see it

Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.
That was on the 10th October . Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, Mr Wolters said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now. “But it's not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.10 Oct 2021
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on October 29, 2021, 12:30:39 AM
Quote from: Snowgirl on October 25, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
That was on the 10th October . Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, Mr Wolters said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now. “But it's not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.10 Oct 2021

This thread was started on June 3rd 2020.... that says it all, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 29, 2021, 07:22:54 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on October 29, 2021, 12:30:39 AM
This thread was started on June 3rd 2020.... that says it all, imo.
What “all” does it say?  The McCanns were first named suspects in September 2007, what “all” does that say to you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on November 02, 2021, 11:42:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 29, 2021, 07:22:54 AM
What “all” does it say?  The McCanns were first named suspects in September 2007, what “all” does that say to you?

That from early on in the investigation it was believed (with reasonable rationale, imo) that the evidence available at that time was indicating that there was a possibility of parental involvement in staging an abduction and that Madeleine died in the apartment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 02, 2021, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on November 02, 2021, 11:42:04 PM
That from early on in the investigation it was believed (with reasonable rationale, imo) that the evidence available at that time was indicating that there was a possibility of parental involvement in staging an abduction and that Madeleine died in the apartment.

Quite the contrary.  There was absolutely no evidence that Madeleine had died in the apartment - absolutely none! There was evidence that Madeleine had been abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 02, 2021, 11:51:50 PM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on November 02, 2021, 11:42:04 PM
That from early on in the investigation it was believed (with reasonable rationale, imo) that the evidence available at that time was indicating that there was a possibility of parental involvement in staging an abduction and that Madeleine died in the apartment.
And 14 plus years later you’re still harping on about parental involvement but think that 12 months of HCW harping on about CB’s involvement is somehow significant - why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on November 03, 2021, 12:52:31 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 02, 2021, 11:49:42 PM
Quite the contrary.  There was absolutely no evidence that Madeleine had died in the apartment - absolutely none! There was evidence that Madeleine had been abducted.

Blood was collected from areas where a cadaver dog and a "human blood detecting dog" alerted in apartment 5A.

The resultant forensic analysis stated:

"An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid."

It may be "inconclusive" and does not prove death in the apartment but to describe this as "absolutely no evidence" is wide of the mark, imo. Could I politely suggest you refer back to the pro-McCann's posts on this forum about the open window evidence and apply those arguments to this evidence. They talked about the difference between evidence and proof, as I'm sure you remember.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 03, 2021, 01:23:18 AM
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on November 03, 2021, 12:52:31 AM
Blood was collected from areas where a cadaver dog and a "human blood detecting dog" alerted in apartment 5A.

The resultant forensic analysis stated:

"An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid."

It may be "inconclusive" and does not prove death in the apartment but to describe this as "absolutely no evidence" is wide of the mark, imo. Could I politely suggest you refer back to the pro-McCann's posts on this forum about the open window evidence and apply those arguments to this evidence. They talked about the difference between evidence and proof, as I'm sure you remember.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm
10-Processo 10 - VOLUME Xa;  pages 2653-2660
Scientist: JOHN ROBERT LOWE
Number of pages: 6

Re: the abduction of Madeleine McCann
A weak incomplete DNA result which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from cellular material on the swab (3A) from the apartment floor.

_________________________________________________________________

10- Processo 10 - VOLUME Xa; PDF page 123-124; Case file pages 2617-2618
... "LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid."

Hardly surprising if a small trace of Madeleine's DNA was found in the room of an apartment where she had lived alive and well for some days.
It most certainly is not proof of death.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 03, 2021, 02:29:45 AM
Oh for God's sake how often do we have to do this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 07:27:55 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 03, 2021, 02:29:45 AM
Oh for God's sake how often do we have to do this?
Forever apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 03, 2021, 02:29:45 AM
Oh for God's sake how often do we have to do this?

Feel free to stop whatever you're doing at any point in time. No-one will mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 09:09:15 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 09:05:42 AM
Feel free to stop whatever you're doing at any point in time. No-one will mind.
I will.  Someone has to point out the stupidity of going round and round in circles for years and years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 03, 2021, 09:09:15 AM
I will.  Someone has to point out the stupidity of going round and round in circles for years and years.

Is that what you believe you're doing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 09:56:04 AM
Is that what you believe you're doing?
I believe that is what Eleanor is doing here, yes, though maybe she would disagree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 03, 2021, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 09:56:04 AM
Is that what you believe you're doing?

Can't you see that's, what you and others, are doing.  Both the Germans and SY have publically stated that the McCanns are not involved.. The Germans say that if we saw the evidence they have we would also think CB is guilty..

You are ignoring all that and are more concerned with Mrs Fenn.. It's barmy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 03, 2021, 11:01:50 AM
Can't you see that's, what you and others, are doing.  Both the Germans and SY have publically stated that the McCanns are not involved.. The Germans say that if we saw the evidence they have we would also think CB is guilty..

You are ignoring all that and are more concerned with Mrs Fenn.. It's barmy

Hallelujah, God is real.

If you'd seen the miracles I'd seen, you too would believe.

(But he only shares information with me so you'll just have to take my word for it).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 11:52:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 03, 2021, 11:01:50 AM
Can't you see that's, what you and others, are doing.  Both the Germans and SY have publically stated that the McCanns are not involved.. The Germans say that if we saw the evidence they have we would also think CB is guilty..

You are ignoring all that and are more concerned with Mrs Fenn.. It's barmy

Turning it around, you are pinning your hopes on two police forces to prove your beliefs are correct. Anyone would think the police are infallible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 11:52:10 AM
Turning it around, you are pinning your hopes on two police forces to prove your beliefs are correct. Anyone would think the police are infallible.
I think it’s likely that two police forces currently involved in the investigation into CB and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann probably have access to more of the information and evidence pertaining to the case than you do.  Do you agree or not?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 03, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 11:52:10 AM
Turning it around, you are pinning your hopes on two police forces to prove your beliefs are correct. Anyone would think the police are infallible.

You are, quite wrong.. I'm not pinning my hopes on anything
I'm making a we'll reasonef judgement taking all the evidence into consideration
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 03, 2021, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 11:52:10 AM
Turning it around, you are pinning your hopes on two police forces to prove your beliefs are correct. Anyone would think the police are infallible.

I actually hope I'm totally wrong and Maddie wasn't abducted by a paedophile... I'm more than happy to pin my hopes on thst
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 03, 2021, 12:10:23 PM
I think it’s likely that two police forces currently involved in the investigation into CB and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann probably have access to more of the information and evidence pertaining to the case than you do.  Do you agree or not?

I know they have no evidence proving stranger abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 03, 2021, 03:05:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
I know they have no evidence proving stranger abduction.

You don't know that at all... I would say they have proof of stranger abduction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 03, 2021, 03:32:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
I know they have no evidence proving stranger abduction.

You really are not opening your eyes to what goes on in the real world as far as police investigations are concerned.

The first thing the Australian police did in a missing child case was to eliminate from the equation, her dad, her mum, her step dad and everyone close at hand in the camp site from which she was taken.
This enabled them to cast the net systematically and wide.

The last thing the Australian police did was to give up on her.  The prognosis was not good.  But they found her after eighteen days.

The family were plagued by the usual on-line cowards and torturers such as creep out of the woodwork for missing child cases.  Not everyone is like that though.
The internet was used by good people doing their best to do good for the family ~ so it can be done.

Volunteers running the Facebook site Bring Cleo Smith Home called businesses to request stickers, flyers and posters showing Cleo's face. About 50,000 were printed and plastered throughout Carnarvon and across the state.

Evelyn Fowkes, a mother in Perth who has never met the family, started the Facebook page to take pressure off Cleo's mother, who was being bombarded with messages. Soon Fowkes was joined by a team of volunteer admins and moderators, mostly mothers, who worked to keep Cleo's case in the public eye.
The page now has more than 65,000 members worldwide, including in the United States, the United Kingdom and Europe.

"If that was my child I would want someone to do the exact same thing," Fowkes said.

Ashleigh Flynn, who worked as a volunteer admin from the other side of the country in Brisbane, said the team was overwhelmed by the news Cleo had been found: "We're just in shock, so many tears of joy. And I think Australia's crying with us."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/02/americas/australian-police-cleo-smith-intl/index.html

The predator who abducted Cleo has been apprehended and will be tried for his crime.  That took eighteen days.

Brueckner was on the PJ radar long before that.

Ask yourself this question ~ if the Portuguese police had acted with the diligence the Aussies did ~ could Madeleine too have been reunited safe and well with her family as Cleo was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 03, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
I know they have no evidence proving stranger abduction.
Any reason why you couldn’t answer my question which was not asking you whether or not you think they have evidence proving stranger abduction but whether or not you think they KNOW MORE THAN YOU DO ABOUT IT?

Well?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 03, 2021, 03:32:38 PM
You really are not opening your eyes to what goes on in the real world as far as police investigations are concerned.

The first thing the Australian police did in a missing child case was to eliminate from the equation, her dad, her mum, her step dad and everyone close at hand in the camp site from which she was taken.
This enabled them to cast the net systematically and wide.

The last thing the Australian police did was to give up on her.  The prognosis was not good.  But they found her after eighteen days.

The family were plagued by the usual on-line cowards and torturers such as creep out of the woodwork for missing child cases.  Not everyone is like that though.
The internet was used by good people doing their best to do good for the family ~ so it can be done.

Volunteers running the Facebook site Bring Cleo Smith Home called businesses to request stickers, flyers and posters showing Cleo's face. About 50,000 were printed and plastered throughout Carnarvon and across the state.

Evelyn Fowkes, a mother in Perth who has never met the family, started the Facebook page to take pressure off Cleo's mother, who was being bombarded with messages. Soon Fowkes was joined by a team of volunteer admins and moderators, mostly mothers, who worked to keep Cleo's case in the public eye.
The page now has more than 65,000 members worldwide, including in the United States, the United Kingdom and Europe.

"If that was my child I would want someone to do the exact same thing," Fowkes said.

Ashleigh Flynn, who worked as a volunteer admin from the other side of the country in Brisbane, said the team was overwhelmed by the news Cleo had been found: "We're just in shock, so many tears of joy. And I think Australia's crying with us."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/02/americas/australian-police-cleo-smith-intl/index.html

The predator who abducted Cleo has been apprehended and will be tried for his crime.  That took eighteen days.

Brueckner was on the PJ radar long before that.

Ask yourself this question ~ if the Portuguese police had acted with the diligence the Aussies did ~ could Madeleine too have been reunited safe and well with her family as Cleo was.

The problem is, there was no evidence against Brueckner in 2007.

So what do you suggest the police could have done?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 05:50:24 PM

I just read that the perp was arrested before they raided his house.

"The intel from the public contained 'really important information about a car' which was later confirmed with phone data and 'a lot of forensic leads'."

Police received a 'tip off' the man had started buying 'unusual food' and nappies from a supermarket - even though he doesn't live with any kids.

Neighbours even reported hearing a little girl crying near the home in recent days.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10160703/Cleo-Smith-police-missing-girl-Carnarvon-Western-Australia.html

Circa May 2007 the evidence against Brueckner would have been a 30 min phone call, recieved from outside of Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 05:53:59 PM

It is understood that as soon as Cleo disappeared, West Australian police began extensive surveillance on the parents.

That involved WA Police tapping the phone calls of Ms Smith and Mr Gliddon for any conversations that might suggest guilt or show an inconsistency in their story - neither of which ever materialised.

The surveillance is believed to have been standard procedure.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10160703/Cleo-Smith-police-missing-girl-Carnarvon-Western-Australia.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 06:27:02 PM
Spam you’re on the wrong thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 03, 2021, 06:27:02 PM
Spam you’re on the wrong thread.

I was replying to Brietta.

She suggests Brueckner was on the radar & the PJ could have done more, citing the Cleo Smith case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 03, 2021, 06:45:31 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 05:27:04 PM
The problem is, there was no evidence against Brueckner in 2007.

So what do you suggest the police could have done?

Don't his phone records count? and he was already on the police radar but the PJ managed to make a mess of an attempt to interview him.

So I suggest it might have been pertinent for the PJ to track him down and ask why now you see him in Luz on the third but come the fourth - now you don't.

There was also a job of co-ordinating information to be done.  For example did it really take all that time for Ocean Club employees phones to be checked out.
They sure had no problem going through the McCann's records with a fine toothcomb.



A hotel worker may have given the Madeleine McCann suspect the opportunity to break into the family’s apartment on the night she disappeared, it is claimed.
________________________________________________

The hotel employee has been identified by police, said Correio de Manhã. It also claimed the employee had the suspect’s mobile number in his phone.

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/madeleine-mccann-praia-da-luz-hotel-worker-christian-brueckner-opportunity-441331
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 07:00:04 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 03, 2021, 06:45:31 PM
Don't his phone records count? and he was already on the police radar but the PJ managed to make a mess of an attempt to interview him.

So I suggest it might have been pertinent for the PJ to track him down and ask why now you see him in Luz on the third but come the fourth - now you don't.

There was also a job of co-ordinating information to be done.  For example did it really take all that time for Ocean Club employees phones to be checked out.
They sure had no problem going through the McCann's records with a fine toothcomb.



A hotel worker may have given the Madeleine McCann suspect the opportunity to break into the family’s apartment on the night she disappeared, it is claimed.
________________________________________________

The hotel employee has been identified by police, said Correio de Manhã. It also claimed the employee had the suspect’s mobile number in his phone.

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/madeleine-mccann-praia-da-luz-hotel-worker-christian-brueckner-opportunity-441331

I'm sorry, what do his phone records count as?

Presumably if it's true that an OC worker had Brueckner's phone number then cell tower data would show calls or text between the two mobiles.

They have the data from the mast in Luz. 

Brueckner recieved a phone call, made from outside of Luz at 7:30, he had decade old child sex offences with no known further similar offences at that time, that seems to be about it as far as reasonable suspicion goes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 07:03:03 PM


Oh hang on wait, he did abduct some petrol in 2006.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 07:05:16 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 07:00:04 PM
I'm sorry, what do his phone records count as?

Presumably if it's true that an OC worker had Brueckner's phone number then cell tower data would show calls or text between the two mobiles.

They have the data from the mast in Luz. 

Brueckner recieved a phone call, made from outside of Luz at 7:30, he had decade old child sex offences with no known further similar offences at that time, that seems to be about it as far as reasonable suspicion goes.
I don’t suppose Cleo Smith’s abductor was walking around with a t-shirt proclaiming himself to be her abductor either - he was caught thanks to diligent policework, something that was sadly lacking in PdL in 2007
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 03, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 07:00:04 PM
I'm sorry, what do his phone records count as?

Presumably if it's true that an OC worker had Brueckner's phone number then cell tower data would show calls or text between the two mobiles.

They have the data from the mast in Luz. 

Brueckner recieved a phone call, made from outside of Luz at 7:30, he had decade old child sex offences with no known further similar offences at that time, that seems to be about it as far as reasonable suspicion goes.

                                          EVIDENCE 👀👀
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 03, 2021, 07:11:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 07:00:04 PM
I'm sorry, what do his phone records count as?

Presumably if it's true that an OC worker had Brueckner's phone number then cell tower data would show calls or text between the two mobiles.

They have the data from the mast in Luz. 

Brueckner recieved a phone call, made from outside of Luz at 7:30, he had decade old child sex offences with no known further similar offences at that time, that seems to be about it as far as reasonable suspicion goes.

I always find it quite touching the way in which sceptics imagine the police are sharing every scrap of info they hold in a very active investigation ;)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 03, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
                                          EVIDENCE 👀👀

It's all very well saying 'evidence'

What was the evidence of Brueckners involvement circa 2007?

All the 'evidence' against him seems to have come from his friends a decade later.

I'm not sure the PJ could arrest him in 2007 using evidence found at a later date.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 07:26:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 03, 2021, 07:05:16 PM
I don’t suppose Cleo Smith’s abductor was walking around with a t-shirt proclaiming himself to be her abductor either - he was caught thanks to diligent policework, something that was sadly lacking in PdL in 2007

He was caught because there was evidence pointing to him, including CCTV, phone data & eye witnesses to nappy shopping.

The evidence against Brueckner seems to be phone data placing him where he lived & statements made against him at a considerably later date.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 03, 2021, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 07:26:03 PM
He was caught because there was evidence pointing to him, including CCTV, phone data & eye witnesses to nappy shopping.

The evidence against Brueckner seems to be phone data placing him where he lived & statements made against him at a considerably later date.

You Think that's all the evidence there is..Wolters statements strongly support that there is more.. A lot more
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 07:58:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 03, 2021, 07:46:20 PM
You Think that's all the evidence there is..Wolters statements strongly support that there is more.. A lot more

Oh great, more jam tomorrow.





Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 08:07:38 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 07:26:03 PM
He was caught because there was evidence pointing to him, including CCTV, phone data & eye witnesses to nappy shopping.

The evidence against Brueckner seems to be phone data placing him where he lived & statements made against him at a considerably later date.
How much of the evidence against Cleo’s abductor were you aware of before he was caught and they put it in the Daily Mail, out of interest?  As I recall there was a zip opened higher than the child could reach and a speeding car and that was all we were told.  Is there a tiny possibility in your view that we don’t know all the evidence the police have on Bruckner or is that completely out of the question?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 03, 2021, 08:07:38 PM
How much of the evidence against Cleo’s abductor were you aware of before he was caught and they put it in the Daily Mail, out of interest?  As I recall there was a zip opened higher than the child could reach and a speeding car and that was all we were told.  Is there a tiny possibility in your view that we don’t know all the evidence the police have on Bruckner or is that completely out of the question?

From what I read earlier there was a witnesses to a car leaving hastily from the campsite around 3am, other witnesses heard the screeching tyres, the car was found at some point on the highway CCTV, this was mentioned earlier in the week.

Could the police have other information against Brueckner?

Maybe, although it obviously wouldn't be cctv, but if they do, it didn't emerge until 2013-2017, so there's not a lot the PJ could do about that back in 2007.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 03, 2021, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 08:18:09 PM
From what I read earlier there was a witnesses to a car leaving hastily from the campsite around 3am, other witnesses heard the screeching tyres, the car was found at some point on the highway CCTV, this was mentioned earlier in the week.

Could the police have other information against Brueckner?

Maybe, although it obviously wouldn't be cctv, but if they do, it didn't emerge until 2013-2017, so there's not a lot the PJ could do about that back in 2007.

The Australian police initially had nothing against Cleo's abductor.  They had to do a bit of proper policing to get the evidence and that is precisely what is happening now courtesy of the German police.

The case should have been made in Portugal back in 2007 - the phone records would have been a start.  Instead it had to wait until 2014 for Scotland Yard to carry out the groundwork - bearing in mind that police work involves eliminating as well as nailing suspects according to the evidence.
That was not done in 2007 at a time when it might well have been likely to return Madeleine to the bosom of her family - just as Cleo was - and that is the real tragedy of this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 09:02:27 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 03, 2021, 08:53:24 PM
The Australian police initially had nothing against Cleo's abductor.  They had to do a bit of proper policing to get the evidence and that is precisely what is happening now courtesy of the German police.

The case should have been made in Portugal back in 2007 - the phone records would have been a start.  Instead it had to wait until 2014 for Scotland Yard to carry out the groundwork - bearing in mind that police work involves eliminating as well as nailing suspects according to the evidence.
That was not done in 2007 at a time when it might well have been likely to return Madeleine to the bosom of her family - just as Cleo was - and that is the real tragedy of this.

So the phone information uncovered by SY shows what?

A man with historical sex offence convictions living in PDL, recieved a phone call in PDL, where he was living & had been for some years, with no further evidence of sex offences having occurred in the interim.

Should be able to get a search warrant with that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 03, 2021, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 09:02:27 PM
So the phone information uncovered by SY shows what?

A man with historical sex offence convictions living in PDL, recieved a phone call in PDL, where he was living & had been for some years, with no further evidence of sex offences having occurred in the interim.

Should be able to get a search warrant with that.

It's tiresome pointing out the obvious but if they had done a little more investigating they  may well have found out more... They may well have solved the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 03, 2021, 09:08:24 PM
It's tiresome pointing out the obvious but if they had done a little more investigating they  may well have found out more... They may well have solved the case
Yep, that’s what it all boils down to. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 03, 2021, 09:08:24 PM
It's tiresome pointing out the obvious but if they had done a little more investigating they  may well have found out more... They may well have solved the case

If if's & but's were beer & nuts.

Right, so what information did they have pointing to him in May 2007?

Murat wasn't questioned for the sake of it, witnesses pointed the finger, allegedly, so they investigated.

The idea here seems to be the PJ were wrong not to just drag Brueckner in for questioning based on nothing in particular at that time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 03, 2021, 09:36:16 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 09:17:20 PM
If if's & but's were beer & nuts.

Right, so what information did they have pointing to him in May 2007?

Murat wasn't questioned for the sake of it, witnesses pointed the finger, allegedly, so they investigated.

The idea here seems to be the PJ were wrong not to just drag Brueckner in for questioning based on nothing in particular at that time.

So why.. According to amaral... Did they go and knock on his door....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 09:57:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 03, 2021, 09:36:16 PM
So why.. According to amaral... Did they go and knock on his door....

Door to door enquires?

Amaral doesn't say why or when exactly the police visited his property.

'I have been told by colleagues, who are retired like me, that they had come knocking on the door. That person was not at home.' Amaral said.

The police chief, who is being sued by Kate and Gerry McCann, said he did not know if further inquiries were made after this first visit to Brueckner's house in Praia da Luz.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 10:05:31 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 09:17:20 PM
If if's & but's were beer & nuts.

Right, so what information did they have pointing to him in May 2007?

Murat wasn't questioned for the sake of it, witnesses pointed the finger, allegedly, so they investigated.

The idea here seems to be the PJ were wrong not to just drag Brueckner in for questioning based on nothing in particular at that time.
There was at least one witness statement which give a description of a suspicious man seen next to apartment 5awhich closely matched Bruckner.   Strange that the Pj who knew CB never entertained the idea that he might have been a good match for the sighting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 10:07:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 03, 2021, 10:05:31 PM
There was at least one witness statement which give a description of a suspicious man seen next to apartment 5awhich closely matched Bruckner.  Strange that the Pj who knew CB never entertained the idea that he might have been a good match for the sighting.

Really?

What were these closely matching features?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 10:10:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 10:07:35 PM
Really?

What were these closely matching features?
It’s all been discussed in great detail not that long ago.  I even itemised all the similarities of which there were many. It will probably take me a while to find my post, but really is there any point?  You will only shit on it in your own inimitable fashion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 03, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 09:57:12 PM
Door to door enquires?

Amaral doesn't say why or when exactly the police visited his property.

'I have been told by colleagues, who are retired like me, that they had come knocking on the door. That person was not at home.' Amaral said.

The police chief, who is being sued by Kate and Gerry McCann, said he did not know if further inquiries were made after this first visit to Brueckner's house in Praia da Luz.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html
That isn't an answer... It's a question
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 10:18:06 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 03, 2021, 10:10:11 PM
It’s all been discussed in great detail not that long ago.  I even itemised all the similarities of which there were many. It will probably take me a while to find my post, but really is there any point?  You will only shit on it in your own inimitable fashion.

By 'shit on it' do you mean point out the description could be similar to many other people?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 10:31:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 10:18:06 PM
By 'shit on it' do you mean point out the description could be similar to many other people?
Yes, of course the description could match more than one person, however PdL is not a city, nor even a large town so the number of individuals matching the description would not be in the 100s.  .  The description also closely matched a known criminal.  would there have been any harm in actually finding him and questioning him, or are you satisfied that simply knocking on his door was enough to rule him out?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 03, 2021, 10:31:22 PM
Yes, of course the description could match more than one person, however PdL is not a city, nor even a large town so the number of individuals matching the description would not be in the 100s.  .  The description also closely matched a known criminal.  would there have been any harm in actually finding him and questioning him, or are you satisfied that simply knocking on his door was enough to rule him out?

The police would first have to ascertain the description matched the known criminal, which is utterly subjective & presumably not every police officer in the town had previous dealings with Brueckner & could match him to the description at that time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 03, 2021, 11:34:35 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2021, 10:42:33 PM
The police would first have to ascertain the description matched the known criminal, which is utterly subjective & presumably not every police officer in the town had previous dealings with Brueckner & could match him to the description at that time.
The job of the police is to investigate leads.  The police in PdL went as far as Bruckner’s front door and then gave up.  They were utterly useless so please stop making excuses for them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:17:02 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 03, 2021, 11:34:35 PM
The job of the police is to investigate leads.  The police in PdL went as far as Bruckner’s front door and then gave up.  They were utterly useless so please stop making excuses for them.

So what was the lead on Brueckner?
Was it the no witnesses placing him at the scene or the there being nothing to suggest he in particular was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 04, 2021, 06:02:59 AM
So going back to the very beginning of Grange where they themselves did a critical analyse of the files having had them translated they didn't see a link to CB instead focused on the three amigos, we know how that ended, allegedly an informant sat on knowing it was CB since 2008 and then out of the goodness of his heart decided to dob CB in it, yeah right.The legend is writ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 04, 2021, 06:26:11 AM
The one thing that can be read in to this is the Germans clearly do not have unequivocal evidence of the demise of Madeleine and their suspects link to it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10162107/Madeline-McCanns-parents-claim-Cleo-Smiths-rescue-gives-hope.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 06:54:54 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 04, 2021, 06:26:11 AM
The one thing that can be read in to this is the Germans clearly do not have unequivocal evidence of the demise of Madeleine and their suspects link to it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10162107/Madeline-McCanns-parents-claim-Cleo-Smiths-rescue-gives-hope.html

Yeah, the McCanns are clearly unconvinced by Wolters letter, revealing that she's dead, & the concrete evidence Brueckner murdered her.

So, they're sceptics.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 07:13:14 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:17:02 AM
So what was the lead on Brueckner?
Was it the no witnesses placing him at the scene or the there being nothing to suggest he in particular was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance?
You’re being absurdly obtuse now which means we can only go round in circles which I’m not interested in doing.  Clearly you think the PJ did a fantastic job and that they did the right thing by ruling out a known local child abuser (whose features resemble those given by an eyewitness close to the apartment) with a simple knock on the door.  I don’t share your opinion.  Nothing more to be said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 07:15:46 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 04, 2021, 06:26:11 AM
The one thing that can be read in to this is the Germans clearly do not have unequivocal evidence of the demise of Madeleine and their suspects link to it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10162107/Madeline-McCanns-parents-claim-Cleo-Smiths-rescue-gives-hope.html
Wow, you sure can read a lot into that article, well done!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 07:16:39 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 07:13:14 AM
You’re being absurdly obtuse now which means we can only go round in circles which I’m not interested in doing.  Clearly you think the PJ did a fantastic job and that they did the right thing by ruling out a known local child abuser (whose features resemble those given by an eyewitness close to the apartment) with a simple knock on the door.  I don’t share your opinion.  Nothing more to be said.

I'm looking forward to seeing these 'closely matching features' which pointed directly to Brueckner.

What were they again?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 07:21:49 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 07:16:39 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing these 'closely matching features' which pointed directly to Brueckner.

What were they again?
When you stop being a twerp we can resume the conversation until then, not playing with you anymore.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 07:23:25 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 07:21:49 AM
When you stop being a twerp we can resume the conversation until then, not playing with you anymore.


You claim a witness gave a description matching Brueckner.

Let's hear this incriminating description?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 07:30:25 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 07:23:25 AM

You claim a witness gave a description matching Brueckner.

Let's hear this incriminating description?
Is there really any point?  I can already predict your reaction.  If you want to find it look through my posts.  Enjoy, I’ve written some great ones over the years…  8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 07:33:54 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 07:30:25 AM
Is there really any point? I can already predict your reaction.  If you want to find it look through my posts.  Enjoy, I’ve written some great ones over the years…  8(>((

Of course there is, this is the clincher the police ignored when they should have noticed it points directly to Brueckner.

So. which witness description?

Paul Gordon, Tamsin Sillence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 08:31:57 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 07:33:54 AM
Of course there is, this is the clincher the police ignored when they should have noticed it points directly to Brueckner.

So. which witness description?

Paul Gordon, Tamsin Sillence?
Here you go Lazy Bones,mfrom Tasmin Sillence’s statement
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12205.msg664937#msg664937
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 04, 2021, 08:56:51 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 08:31:57 AM
Here you go Lazy Bones,mfrom Tasmin Sillence’s statement
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12205.msg664937#msg664937

Really?

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/tasminman.gif)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 08:59:03 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 08:31:57 AM
Here you go Lazy Bones,mfrom Tasmin Sillence’s statement
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12205.msg664937#msg664937

Yes, it positively screams Brueckner doesn't it.

 & the e-fit is a dead ringer.

Anyone looking at this would immediately suspect Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 04, 2021, 08:56:51 AM
Really?

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/tasminman.gif)

Yes, this was the picture that should have caused the police to beat a path directly to Brueckner's door, much like what happened in the Cleo Smith case.

Here was a man who had eyes, nose, ears & hair, sometimes wore sunglasses.

It's pretty obvious it's him & couldn't be just about anyone else with a face & hair that sometimes wore sunglasses.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 04, 2021, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 08:59:03 AM
Yes, it positively screams Brueckner doesn't it.

 & the e-fit is a dead ringer.

Anyone looking at this would immediately suspect Brueckner.
Except for OG.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 04, 2021, 09:56:34 AM
Except for OG.

Ah, but they don't have the extra evidence Wolters has.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 11:26:23 AM
As predicted - my post was ridiculed.

Yes, really.  The police are supposed to follow up on leads.  Here was a lead in which the description given closely matched Bruckner's in many respects.  Upon what basis do you think Bruckner could have been dismissed without interview and just an unanswered knock on the door upon the basis of her witness statement? 

Concerning the individual, she describes him as being:
Caucasian race ✅
 light skin ✅
 so he wasn't Portuguese ✅
but could be British - not right
Approximately 180 cm tall ✅
thin complexion tick ✅
30/35 years of age ✅
. Short hair ✅
like shaved with 1 cm of length - maybe
and fair tick ✅
She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour -  known to wear black sunglasses
with a structure of mass, a thick frame - but no phtos of him seen in a pair like this.
He had a large forehead ✅
 Nose of normal size tick ✅
 a bit pointy and sharp - could be describe as such
Large ears, close against the head -similar to those shown in photofit
Mouth with thin lips ✅
Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp - could be described as sharp featured.
No beard, no moustache, a clean shave ✅
No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving - Bruckner has acne scarring
He looked ugly, even 'disgusting' - could be described as such.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 11:26:23 AM
As predicted - my post was ridiculed.

Yes, really.  The police are supposed to follow up on leads.  Here was a lead in which the description given closely matched Bruckner's in many respects.  Upon what basis do you think Bruckner could have been dismissed without interview and just an unanswered knock on the door upon the basis of her witness statement?

I'm still unclear as to what was the close match to Brueckner?

What was so distinctive that singled Brueckner out from any other roughly 6 foot, blonde white men?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 09:05:23 AM
Yes, this was the picture that should have caused the police to beat a path directly to Brueckner's door, much like what happened in the Cleo Smith case.

Here was a man who had eyes, nose, ears & hair, sometimes wore sunglasses.

It's pretty obvious it's him & couldn't be just about anyone else with a face & hair that sometimes wore sunglasses.
How many criminal males living in PdL fitted this description at the time?  Do you think it was far too many for the poor little PdL to have bothered investigating properly? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 04, 2021, 11:41:39 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 11:29:48 AM
How many criminal males living in PdL fitted this description at the time?  Do you think it was far too many for the poor little PdL to have bothered investigating properly?

Amaral, the doyen of all Detectives had already made up his mind while recovering from his daily hangover and facing being made an Arguido himself.

Just how much did you expect the poor man to cope with?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 11:42:24 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 11:29:48 AM
How many criminal males living in PdL fitted this description at the time?  Do you think it was far too many for the poor little PdL to have bothered investigating properly?

That's one for the police to answer.

As I understand it, the Algarve is popular with British & European holiday makers, people with holiday homes & a considerable amount of them are probably white, fair to brown haired, approaching 6 foot & sometimes wear sunglasses.

(Guess what, I'm about 6 foot, light brown hair, own sunglasses)

These aren't very distinctive features.

Neither does e-fit of this man specifically look like Brueckner, but you're right, they should have just bashed his door in anyway, with little to nothing to suggest it was him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on November 04, 2021, 11:42:36 AM
I cant help feeling that the contrast between the two investigations must be particularly painful for the McCanns. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 11:44:09 AM

Tamsin Sillence flicked through the mug shots, didn't pick anyone out.

Maybe she's now confirmed to Wolters it was him she saw & his mug just wasn't in the file.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 11:42:24 AM
That's one for the police to answer.

As I understand it, the Algarve is popular with British & European holiday makers, people with holiday homes & a considerable amount of them are probably white, fair to brown haired, approaching 6 foot & sometimes wear sunglasses.

(Guess what, I'm about 6 foot, light brown hair, own sunglasses)

These aren't very distinctive features.

Neither does e-fit of this man specifically look like Brueckner, but you're right, they should have just bashed his door in anyway, with little to nothing to suggest it was him.
So, on the basis of the description given and the fact that there may have been several local criminals fitting the description you think the police were quite right not to follow it up with anything more than a knock on the door?  And you think this is good policing do you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 11:55:45 AM
Quote from: Jean-Pierre on November 04, 2021, 11:42:36 AM
I cant help feeling that the contrast between the two investigations must be particularly painful for the McCanns.
Yes, it's really crazy that the Australian police followed up the lead of a speeding white car - I mean how many white cars are there in that neck of the woods?  Loads I bet.  They should have just followed the example of the PJ and not bothered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 11:51:00 AM
So, on the basis of the description given and the fact that there may have been several local criminals fitting the description you think the police were quite right not to follow it up with anything more than a knock on the door?  And you think this is good policing do you?

How many other leads were they bombarded with at the time, with people insisting they'd seen Maddie at a petrol stations in Spain or in the Kif mountains with Joana?

If Tamsin Sillence picked out Brueckner, you might have a point, but she didn't, & there was nothing to implicate him.

They already had Jane Tanner's very strong evidence of the abductor, & he didn't in anyway match Brueckner's description, so there was no reason to suspect him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 11:59:55 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 11:55:45 AM
Yes, it's really crazy that the Australian police followed up the lead of a speeding white car - I mean how many white cars are there in that neck of the woods?  Loads I bet.  They should have just followed the example of the PJ and not bothered.

At 3 am, around the time the child disappeared.

Of course, if the PJ had just followed up on that sighting of Brueckner's campervan.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 12:22:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 11:58:37 AM
How many other leads were they bombarded with at the time, with people insisting they'd seen Maddie at a petrol stations in Spain or in the Kif mountains with Joana?

If Tamsin Sillence picked out Brueckner, you might have a point, but she didn't, & there was nothing to implicate him.

They already had Jane Tanner's very strong evidence of the abductor, & he didn't in anyway match Brueckner's description, so there was no reason to suspect him.
Was she shown Bruckner's mugshot?  If so please supply a cite. 
There is no excuse for not following up leads on your very own doorstep, although you seem to think it's quite acceptable to knock on the door of a known criminal and then walk away never to return when he doesn't answer.
What you also seem to be saying is that the PJ were stupid sheep who didn't follow up other leads because of Jane Tanner.  Is there no end to the list of excuses you're prepared to make for the PJ's general crapness?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 12:22:33 PM
Was she shown Bruckner's mugshot? If so please supply a cite. 
There is no excuse for not following up leads on your very own doorstep, although you seem to think it's quite acceptable to knock on the door of a known criminal and then walk away never to return when he doesn't answer.
What you also seem to be saying is that the PJ were stupid sheep who didn't follow up other leads because of Jane Tanner.  Is there no end to the list of excuses you're prepared to make for the PJ's general crapness?

I already asked that.

He either was shown & she didn't pick him out.

Or, his mug shot wasn't held at that time by the PJ.

Or, it was held but just wasn't amongst those shown to her.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:31:17 PM


She said that she can recognise the man both personally and photographically, and create a photofit.

Therefore I interrupt the present deposition and show the deponent photographs of individuals with similar characteristics.

I resume the deposition where it is consigned that the diligence resulted negatively.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:29:52 PM
I already asked that.

He either was shown & she didn't pick him out.

Or, his mug shot wasn't held at that time by the PJ.

Or, it was held but just wasn't amongst those shown to her.
In your previous post you stated she did not pick out his mugshot as a fact.  Hard to do if she was never shown it in the first place!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 12:39:34 PM
In your previous post you stated she did not pick out his mugshot as a fact.  Hard to do if she was never shown it in the first place!

Well she didn't if it was in there & didn't if it wasn't, so how was I wrong?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 12:44:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 11:59:55 AM
At 3 am, around the time the child disappeared.

Of course, if the PJ had just followed up on that sighting of Brueckner's campervan.
Tasmin Sillence's sighting was of a man she viewed as suspicious standing next to Apartment 5A twice during the McCanns' stay, once the day prior to the abduction.   This was clearly unusual as far as she was concerned which is why she reported it to the police.  The police even managed to find a window of opportunity in their busy schedule to take down her statement and file it so they must have thought it of some worth but obviously not enough to check out the local criminal fraternity resembling her description. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:31:17 PM

She said that she can recognise the man both personally and photographically, and create a photofit.

Therefore I interrupt the present deposition and show the deponent photographs of individuals with similar characteristics.

I resume the deposition where it is consigned that the diligence resulted negatively.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm
And was CB one of these individuals?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 12:44:41 PM
Tasmin Sillence's sighting was of a man she viewed as suspicious standing next to Apartment 5A twice during the McCanns' stay, once the day prior to the abduction.   This was clearly unusual as far as she was concerned which is why she reported it to the police.  The police even managed to find a window of opportunity in their busy schedule to take down her statement and file it so they must have thought it of some worth but obviously not enough to check out the local criminal fraternity resembling her description.

What abduction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 12:47:14 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:42:19 PM
Well she didn't if it was in there & didn't if it wasn't, so how was I wrong?
Because you said she didn't pick him out which could only be a fact if she had been given the opportunity to pick him out. Honestly.... *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:50:40 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 12:45:33 PM
And was CB one of these individuals?

I already said I don't know.

But if he was, then she didn't pick him out.

The question is, does she recognise him now, or is she uncertain.

Her father slammed the Portuguese, but hasn't said anything about her being reinterviewed by police in the years since.

Presumably Wolters or Grange have interviewed her, & her two sightings of Brueckner could be the concrete evidence we're all anticipating.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 02:29:43 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:45:54 PM
What abduction?
Holy shit, I committed the cardinal sin of referring to Madeleine's disappearance as an abduction.  I suggest you report me and maybe I'll get punished. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:50:40 PM
I already said I don't know.

But if he was, then she didn't pick him out.

The question is, does she recognise him now, or is she uncertain.

Her father slammed the Portuguese, but hasn't said anything about her being reinterviewed by police in the years since.

Presumably Wolters or Grange have interviewed her, & her two sightings of Brueckner could be the concrete evidence we're all anticipating.
Her confirmation that it was him she saw would not be concrete evidence.  Bottom line the PJ knew about CB, they had a witness statement that matched his description on many key physical attributes, they even went so far as to knock on his door and then did nothing at all afterwards to investigate him and eliminate him.  You may find that praiseworthy policing, I don't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 02:50:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 02:33:05 PM
Her confirmation that it was him she saw would not be concrete evidence.  Bottom line the PJ knew about CB, they had a witness statement that matched his description on many key physical attributes, they even went so far as to knock on his door and then did nothing at all afterwards to investigate him and eliminate him.  You may find that praiseworthy policing, I don't.

The e-fit does not closely match Christian Brueckner.
Tasmin describes him as ugly, I've seen plenty of photos of Brueckner now, including the video taken weeks before Madeleine disappeared & he isn't ugly, he's rather handsome.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on November 04, 2021, 03:01:53 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 12:29:52 PM
I already asked that.

He either was shown & she didn't pick him out.

Or, his mug shot wasn't held at that time by the PJ.

Or, it was held but just wasn't amongst those shown to her.

AFAIK, the PJ did have his mugshot at the time, but because he was about to be extradited to Germany for other offences. It's totally unclear to me as to whether Brueckner was ever investigated re the 72-year-old rape case or not (even though it happened under Amaral's watch).

If he wasn't being actively investigated in the rape case, would there have been any particular reason to have shown her that one?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 03:02:50 PM
A nanny claims she was shown a mug shot of Brueckner, & a British woman identified Brueckner during interview in the days after Madeleine's disappearance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393901/Madeleine-McCann-witness-says-Christian-Brueckner-man-saw-near-apartment.html

Does anyone know who the British woman that identified Brueckner is?

Where can I find her statement?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: Carana on November 04, 2021, 03:01:53 PM
AFAIK, the PJ did have his mugshot at the time, but because he was about to be extradited to Germany for other offences. It's totally unclear to me as to whether Brueckner was ever investigated re the 72-year-old rape case or not (even though it happened under Amaral's watch).

If he wasn't being actively investigated in the rape case, would there have been any particular reason to have shown her that one?

When did the woman first report the rape?

Did she identify any features of her attacker that would have pointed to Brueckner?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2021, 02:50:16 PM
The e-fit does not closely match Christian Brueckner.
Tasmin describes him as ugly, I've seen plenty of photos of Brueckner now, including the video taken weeks before Madeleine disappeared & he isn't ugly, he's rather handsome.
Just because you fancy him doesn't mean a young girl would think him handsome.  He looks vulpine, cadaverous and sleazy IMO, and to a young girl who viewed the man as suspicious looking with rough skin and sharp features then she would be perfectly entitled to describe him as ugly IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 04, 2021, 05:54:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 04, 2021, 03:08:22 PM
Just because you fancy him doesn't mean a young girl would think him handsome.  He looks vulpine, cadaverous and sleazy IMO, and to a young girl who viewed the man as suspicious looking with rough skin and sharp features then she would be perfectly entitled to describe him as ugly IMO.

He's all of those things now you have heard if him  , but did he have a charm before he offended ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 04, 2021, 06:38:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 04, 2021, 05:54:05 PM
He's all of those things now you have heard if him  , but did he have a charm before he offended ?
I don’t understand your question.  He first offended when a teenager.  How would I know what charms he had before he offended?  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some seem to think he’s gorgeous but maybe a rough-skinned, point-faced,  shifty looking 30+ year old man ain’t so alluring to a young girl.. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 07, 2021, 07:45:42 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10172917/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-told-girlfriend-near-holiday-villa.html
Miftari speaks out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 07, 2021, 09:03:54 AM
Quote from: Anthro on November 07, 2021, 07:45:42 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10172917/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-told-girlfriend-near-holiday-villa.html
Miftari speaks out.

Thats it a witness talks to the brit press, its a slam dunk, all over folks nothing to see here, move along.

Any one booked the fat lady, won't be long now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 07, 2021, 09:19:02 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 07, 2021, 09:03:54 AM
Thats it a witness talks to the brit press, its a slam dunk, all over folks nothing to see here, move along.

Any one booked the fat lady, won't be long now.
Colin Sutton gets a lot of praise for helping to jail Levi Belfield. He was caught due to a tip off to police by an ex girlfriend
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 07, 2021, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 07, 2021, 09:19:02 AM
Colin Sutton gets a lot of praise for helping to jail Levi Belfield. He was caught due to a tip off to police by an ex girlfriend

Did she run to the press prior to any trial ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 07, 2021, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 07, 2021, 09:03:54 AM
Thats it a witness talks to the brit press, its a slam dunk, all over folks nothing to see here, move along.

Any one booked the fat lady, won't be long now.
Your cynical schtick is wearing thin now.  In fact it's gossamer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 07, 2021, 09:45:16 AM
Having read this piece I can't what the tip-off eluded to by Davel is, nor in fact anything really new to justify the article in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 07, 2021, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 07, 2021, 09:37:38 AM
Did she run to the press prior to any trial ?
All I see from you and others is attempts to discredit the German investigation because if it succeeds it wil make you and others.. Amaral.. Grime... And many more look more than a bit foolish.  Is she telling  the truth.. Probably.
We will see

All my opinion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 07, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
It's a good job Sutton did not simply dismiss the info he, received from Bellfields ex
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 07, 2021, 10:01:59 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 07, 2021, 09:51:35 AM
All I see from you and others is attempts to discredit the German investigation because if it succeeds it wil make you and others.. Amaral.. Grime... And many more look more than a bit foolish.  Is she telling  the truth.. Probably.
We will see

All my opinion

Some one tipped off OG about the 3 amigo's, remind us how that went.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4672.0
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 07, 2021, 10:17:42 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 07, 2021, 09:51:35 AM
All I see from you and others is attempts to discredit the German investigation because if it succeeds it wil make you and others.. Amaral.. Grime... And many more look more than a bit foolish.  Is she telling  the truth.. Probably.
We will see

All my opinion

Who wrote this little piece then, back in 2014 after the questioning of the 3 amigos was reported to have ended with no new developements.

You lot are so gullible..whats the source for this quote..no source..so you believe it 100%
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 07, 2021, 10:23:37 AM
So how did OG miss CB.

The four men emerged as key suspects after analysis of mobile phone records suggested they were close to the scene of her disappearance when she went missing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 07, 2021, 10:24:24 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 07, 2021, 10:01:59 AM
Some one tipped off OG about the 3 amigo's, remind us how that went.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4672.0

You need reminding.. They were interviewed as a result of their phone calls.  ...not a tip off
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 07, 2021, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 07, 2021, 10:17:42 AM
Who wrote this little piece then, back in 2014 after the questioning of the 3 amigos was reported to have ended with no new developements.

You lot are so gullible..whats the source for this quote..no source..so you believe it 100%


Gullible?... Let's see who turns out to be gullible.. Lol


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 07, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: Davel on November 07, 2021, 10:26:11 AM
Gullible?... Let's see who turns out to be gullible.. Lol

The quote is from you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 07, 2021, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 07, 2021, 10:01:59 AM
Some one tipped off OG about the 3 amigo's, remind us how that went.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4672.0
Police rely on tip offs all the time.  Sometimes they pay off, sometimes they don't.  To dismiss intelligence on the basis that it came from a tip off is really rather stupid don't you think?  How about "wait and see" and stop pretending you know everything?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 07, 2021, 03:53:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 07, 2021, 10:01:59 AM
Some one tipped off OG about the 3 amigo's, remind us how that went.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4672.0

Have you any idea how real police investigations actually work?  Intelligence is checked out and evidence is gathered one piece building on another.

In my opinion it is not possible for you or anyone else not connected with the investigation to analyse the importance or value of the police work already carried out and completed for the moment.

Surely the investigation of Madeleine McCann's case is unique in each and every witness being held in ill informed ridicule and each and every suspect being classed as a scapegoat.  Absolutely incredible.

The answer to your impertinent question is - NO-ONE knows how that went.  For the simple reason the investigation is not finished yet and is still very much on going.

These men who were interviewed as suspects were in phone contact on the night Madeleine disappeared.  I wonder if any of them had other interesting numbers in their contact list - bearing in mind they were interviewed and released before Brueckner's appearance on anyone's radar since he dropped off the PJ one in 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 07, 2021, 03:55:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 07, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
The quote is from you.

                         The context is not though - is it 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 07, 2021, 06:39:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 07, 2021, 09:03:54 AM
Thats it a witness talks to the brit press, its a slam dunk, all over folks nothing to see here, move along.

Any one booked the fat lady, won't be long now.
Hi Barrier, help me understand why you insist to disregard the friends’ of CB’s accounts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 07, 2021, 07:00:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 07, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
The quote is from you.

You have misused it.. The post you replied to said... Is it true..

Not I believe it 100 % ..

I think it could well be true... I think Wolters has concrete evidence.. Probably a photo of a live Maddie after her disappearance.  Very sad but quite probable.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 07, 2021, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 07, 2021, 07:00:20 PM
You have misused it.. The post you replied to said... Is it true..

Not I believe it 100 % ..

I think it could well be true... I think Wolters has concrete evidence.. Probably a photo of a live Maddie after her disappearance.  Very sad but quite probable.

8th October 2021

Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prosecutor-100-convinced-25173564
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 07, 2021, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 07, 2021, 08:05:00 PM
8th October 2021

Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prosecutor-100-convinced-25173564

That doesn't contradict anything he has said before or anything I have said... In a way it confirms my thoughts but you need to read his reply closely.

From day one my interpretation of what he said is a photo of a live Maddie that does not show CB.  The photo does not prove death but Wolters does not see any other conclusion based on what is in the photo.  He does not know how Maddie died... Her death is not featured in the photo

Wolters has never contradicted himself... One of the reasons I think he has the evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 08, 2021, 06:14:52 AM
Quote from: Anthro on November 07, 2021, 06:39:54 PM
Hi Barrier, help me understand why you insist to disregard the friends’ of CB’s accounts.
Do you honestly believe every story that emerges in the brit press, especially tales that are likely bought I thought you were better than that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 08, 2021, 08:07:18 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 08, 2021, 06:14:52 AM
Do you honestly believe every story that emerges in the brit press, especially tales that are likely bought I thought you were better than that.
Of course not everthing in the press is true and it's important to try and sort the wheat from the chaff.  You seem to want ti not believe anything that doesn't fit with your mind-set.
I think this story is likely to be true... Ss is the one reporting Wolters has enough evidence to charge CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 08, 2021, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Davel on November 07, 2021, 08:18:33 PM
That doesn't contradict anything he has said before or anything I have said... In a way it confirms my thoughts but you need to read his reply closely.

From day one my interpretation of what he said is a photo of a live Maddie that does not show CB.  The photo does not prove death but Wolters does not see any other conclusion based on what is in the photo.  He does not know how Maddie died... Her death is not featured in the photo

Wolters has never contradicted himself... One of the reasons I think he has the evidence


So there is every possibility she could be alive, which backs up Rowley when he said there is no definitive evidence either way, dead or alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 08, 2021, 06:40:53 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 08, 2021, 06:17:40 PM

So there is every possibility she could be alive, which backs up Rowley when he said there is no definitive evidence either way, dead or alive.

I've already answered this... As has Wolters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 08, 2021, 06:55:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 08, 2021, 06:14:52 AM
Do you honestly believe every story that emerges in the brit press, especially tales that are likely bought I thought you were better than that.
Of course I don’t. Fact is, people who are/were close to Brückner are the ones to provide insight into his life. Regardless their criminal/personal past. “I thought you were better than that”. Why your presumptuous comment?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 15, 2021, 12:06:59 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B told pal he murdered former girlfriend
Nick Pisa0:16,

MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian B once told a pal that he had murdered a former girlfriend.

The man, called Aberle, said Christian B, 44, admitted he “accidentally killed” the woman when he was drunk.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B once told a pal that he had murdered a former girlfriend
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Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B once told a pal that he had murdered a former girlfriendCredit: Rex
Aberle told cops in 2010 — around the time prostitute Monika Pawlak, 24, was mutilated and stuffed in two bin bags.

Christian B was a suspect in the Hamburg killing but never charged.

Details emerged at a summit between German and Portuguese cops to review the Maddie case.

Christian B is serving seven years in Germany for rape.

Officials there hope to charge him soon over Maddie, who vanished, aged three, in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007.

He denies involvement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on November 18, 2021, 08:35:12 AM
https://second.wiki/wiki/sash_jm (https://second.wiki/wiki/sash_jm)

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 18, 2021, 09:19:26 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on November 18, 2021, 08:35:12 AM
https://second.wiki/wiki/sash_jm (https://second.wiki/wiki/sash_jm)
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on November 18, 2021, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 18, 2021, 09:19:26 AM
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Here's your murderer of Monika Pawlak. In my opinion. And is commonly known in the area, including the police, but  as Sasha is now a drooling mess, they can't prosecute.
But feel free to believe this murder fits CB's MO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 18, 2021, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on November 18, 2021, 09:29:18 AM
Here's your murderer of Monika Pawlak. In my opinion. And is commonly known in the area, including the police, but  as Sasha is now a drooling mess, they can't prosecute.
But feel free to believe this murder fits CB's MO.
I don’t feel free to believe anything, I am simply reporting on a news story.  According to the report CB confessed to the crime.  Was his ex-girlfriend a male prostitute? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on November 18, 2021, 10:53:48 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 18, 2021, 10:22:07 AM
I don’t feel free to believe anything, I am simply reporting on a news story.  According to the report CB confessed to the crime.  Was his ex-girlfriend a male prostitute?
That's a typo. Read to the bottom, or do a bit of investigation, as I did, if you're so interested in geting to the truth.

CB didn't do it. This psychopathic, neo-nazi rapper actually admitted it and committed similar crimes. The only reasons he hasn't been charged is because with Monika he acted alone, dismembered her and disposed of her in the same fashion, but couldn't be arsed actually sinking the body this time.

Where was CB in January 2010, do you know?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 18, 2021, 11:12:36 AM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on November 18, 2021, 10:53:48 AM
That's a typo. Read to the bottom, or do a bit of investigation, as I did, if you're so interested in geting to the truth.

CB didn't do it. This psychopathic, neo-nazi rapper actually admitted it and committed similar crimes. The only reasons he hasn't been charged is because with Monika he acted alone, dismembered her and disposed of her in the same fashion, but couldn't be arsed actually sinking the body this time.

Where was CB in January 2010, do you know?
No, but thanks for your assistance in this matter, I shall refrain from simply reproducing newspaper articles here in future without first fully investigating all the claims therein, establishing their veracity or otherwise and ensuring that they don’t give you or anyone else cause to get uppity about it.  It was incredibly irresponsible and foolish of me to do so and I’d like to extend fulsome apologies to Herr Bruckner, his family and friends, the family of Monica Pawluk, and members of this forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Uncle Jr on November 18, 2021, 01:09:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 18, 2021, 11:12:36 AM
No, but thanks for your assistance in this matter, I shall refrain from simply reproducing newspaper articles here in future without first fully investigating all the claims therein, establishing their veracity or otherwise and ensuring that they don’t give you or anyone else cause to get uppity about it.  It was incredibly irresponsible and foolish of me to do so and I’d like to extend fulsome apologies to Herr Bruckner, his family and friends, the family of Monica Pawluk, and members of this forum.
See that you do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 18, 2021, 03:36:11 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jr on November 18, 2021, 01:09:31 PM
See that you do.
I will, ta ta.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 19, 2021, 10:49:27 AM
The Germans have sauces close to the prosecutors. Conviction for murder doesn't figure high on the BKA's list it appears, still the legend is writ.

 https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/18/maddie-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-bruekner-to-be-charged-with-rape-of-young-woman/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 19, 2021, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 19, 2021, 10:49:27 AM
The Germans have sauces close to the prosecutors. Conviction for murder doesn't figure high on the BKA's list it appears, still the legend is writ.

 https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/18/maddie-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-bruekner-to-be-charged-with-rape-of-young-woman/

Breuckner is a very disturbed and very dangerous man.  The fact that his proven crimes committed on The Algarve some considerable time ago have been left to Germany to prove is a disgrace.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 19, 2021, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 19, 2021, 11:10:35 AM
Breuckner is a very disturbed and very dangerous man.  The fact that his proven crimes committed on The Algarve some considerable time ago have been left to Germany to prove is a disgrace.


That may well be, but Wolters claims about CB being a murderer is not backed by evidence imo. The BKA  have conveniently solved it, who else are they going to be looking for , include SY in that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 19, 2021, 11:36:14 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 19, 2021, 11:21:19 AM

That may well be, but Wolters claims about CB being a murderer is not backed by evidence imo. The BKA  have conveniently solved it, who else are they going to be looking for , include SY in that.

The BKA haven't proved this one yet and maybe they never will, but I don't have a problem with The BKA asking for further evidence.  They will get it or not.  After that it would be up to a German Court to decide.

But what I find so disgraceful is that The PJ never even tried.  And this on more than one occasion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 19, 2021, 12:41:02 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 19, 2021, 11:21:19 AM

That may well be, but Wolters claims about CB being a murderer is not backed by evidence imo. The BKA  have conveniently solved it, who else are they going to be looking for , include SY in that.

You really do not have a clue what evidence the BKA hold on Brueckner.

Disgracefully it took them to bring the vicious torturer and rapist of the American woman to trial - the Policia Judiciaria just did not bother.

Disgracefully it seems the BKA are left to bring charges against Brueckner for the vicious rape and torture of an Irish woman - the Policia Judiciaria just did not bother.

One wonders what other outrages and crimes against women the Policia Judiciaria just did not bother with either.

We know what some are.
There must have been many more.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 19, 2021, 12:42:53 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 19, 2021, 11:21:19 AM

That may well be, but Wolters claims about CB being a murderer is not backed by evidence imo. The BKA  have conveniently solved it, who else are they going to be looking for , include SY in that.

As Wolters has said he has enough evidence to charge it seems there is evidence..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 19, 2021, 01:07:09 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 19, 2021, 12:41:02 PM
You really do not have a clue what evidence the BKA hold on Brueckner.

Disgracefully it took them to bring the vicious torturer and rapist of the American woman to trial - the Policia Judiciaria just did not bother.

Disgracefully it seems the BKA are left to bring charges against Brueckner for the vicious rape and torture of an Irish woman - the Policia Judiciaria just did not bother.

One wonders what other outrages and crimes against women the Policia Judiciaria just did not bother with either.

We know what some are.
There must have been many more.

Is this true or just tabloid supposition? 
Have police said they are bringing this charge ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 19, 2021, 01:12:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 19, 2021, 11:21:19 AM

That may well be, but Wolters claims about CB being a murderer is not backed by evidence imo. The BKA  have conveniently solved it, who else are they going to be looking for , include SY in that.
You have no idea the full extent of evidence against Bruckner in the Madeleine McCann case so your opinion is completely worthless IMO. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 19, 2021, 03:06:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 19, 2021, 01:12:49 PM
You have no idea the full extent of evidence against Bruckner in the Madeleine McCann case so your opinion is completely worthless IMO.


Along with yours yet you still bother.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 19, 2021, 03:11:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 19, 2021, 01:07:09 PM
Is this true or just tabloid supposition? 
Have police said they are bringing this charge ?


Why would the BKA pre-brief some rag. You can post what you like in here from a sauce in a paper and its like manna from heaven to the supporters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 19, 2021, 04:13:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 19, 2021, 03:06:13 PM

Along with yours yet you still bother.
Unlike you I don’t pretend to know what evidence the Germans do or don’t have, that at least makes my opinion a bit more credible than yours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 19, 2021, 06:47:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 19, 2021, 03:11:52 PM

Why would the BKA pre-brief some rag. You can post what you like in here from a sauce in a paper and its like manna from heaven to the supporters.

my view is they may have mentioned it to the PJ and its they who have leaked
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 19, 2021, 07:01:38 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 19, 2021, 01:07:09 PM
Is this true or just tabloid supposition? 
Have police said they are bringing this charge ?

barrier provided the link saying the "legend is writ" perhaps she will be able to fill you in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 19, 2021, 07:42:20 PM
I am way past caring now, beyond the obvious.  Although I have never thought for even second that the sceptic rubbish was going to help in any way.

None of you have any conception of failure, as if it never happened.  Not one of you ever put your children at risk even briefly, when I was putting my children at risk all of the time and every time I allowed them to go off on their own and do their own thing.

I calculated the risks as I did on the occasions that I left them alone sleeping.  But my children were all brave little souls for which I am truly thankful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 19, 2021, 07:47:20 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 19, 2021, 12:41:02 PM
You really do not have a clue what evidence the BKA hold on Brueckner.

Disgracefully it took them to bring the vicious torturer and rapist of the American woman to trial - the Policia Judiciaria just did not bother.

Disgracefully it seems the BKA are left to bring charges against Brueckner for the vicious rape and torture of an Irish woman - the Policia Judiciaria just did not bother.

One wonders what other outrages and crimes against women the Policia Judiciaria just did not bother with either.

We know what some are.
There must have been many more.

These were many and dreadful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 20, 2021, 04:36:11 AM
The net is closing according to a German sauce, so the legend is writ in an untrustworthy rag...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10327127/Rape-charge-German-suspected-kidnapping-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10327127/Rape-charge-German-suspected-kidnapping-Madeleine-McCann.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 20, 2021, 05:57:16 AM
Quote from: Myster on December 20, 2021, 04:36:11 AM
The net is closing according to a German sauce, so the legend is writ in an untrustworthy rag...


Another who doesn't understand, the legend is that CB did for Madeleine , come what may.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2021, 08:19:08 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 20, 2021, 05:57:16 AM
Another who doesn't understand, the legend is that CB did for Madeleine , come what may.
I think Myster was taking the piss, perhaps it’s you who doesn’t understand?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 20, 2021, 11:59:55 AM
Quote from: Myster on December 20, 2021, 04:36:11 AM
The net is closing according to a German sauce, so the legend is writ in an untrustworthy rag...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10327127/Rape-charge-German-suspected-kidnapping-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10327127/Rape-charge-German-suspected-kidnapping-Madeleine-McCann.html)

There is a one hundred and ten page file in existence on the ordeal suffered by Ms Behan.

In 2007 a swab taken after a medical examination was destroyed - according to the file because it had been kept in “adverse preservation conditions”.
The rest of the items were destroyed in 2009. The destruction of forensic evidence in cases where no suspect has been identified is reportedly standard practice in Portugal.

In the file the police concluded the attack on Behan had been an isolated case, the modus operandi of which was not found in any other cases. The police also said in the file that attempts to find the attacker were hampered by the fact the Euro 2004 football tournament was taking place at the time, leading to “thousands of people from several nationalities” being present in Praia da Rocha.

Behan said she was treated insensitively by the Portuguese police, who she believes failed to properly investigate the rape. She said local people tried to dissuade her from talking about her case.

Evidence on the rape and robbery of the American woman the following year in the nearby resort of Praia da Luz was supposed to have been destroyed in 2010, but court officials had overlooked the fact, according to a file held on the 2005 rape, which the Guardian has also seen.

When German authorities requested the file and evidence – eight items, including a piece of rope used to tie the victim – after receiving information from the Met, it was sent to them by the Portuguese authorities in March 2018. The evidence led to Brückner’s conviction for the 2005 rape in December last year.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/portugal-police-could-reopen-case-irish-woman-hazel-behan-2004-madeleine-mccann

I think that at the time of Madeleine's disappearance the Portuguese legal system demonstrates an ineptitude in how to deal with very serious crimes against women.
Don't forget that bubbling away in the background at this time were the home invasions featuring sexual assaults on children as well as the disappearance of two little girls from neighbouring villages.

There was a systematic type of crime wave in progress here.  Of which either the Portuguese authorities were in blissful ignorance or were assiduously covering up.  But either way - it tends to illustrate why Madeleine's case was handled in the way it was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 20, 2021, 01:17:15 PM
"The destruction of forensic evidence in cases where no suspect has been identified is reportedly standard practice in Portugal."
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It's also standard practice in the UK, as this letter from the FSS makes clear;

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P9/09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2282.jpg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 20, 2021, 01:27:37 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 20, 2021, 11:59:55 AM
There is a one hundred and ten page file in existence on the ordeal suffered by Ms Behan.

In 2007 a swab taken after a medical examination was destroyed - according to the file because it had been kept in “adverse preservation conditions”.
The rest of the items were destroyed in 2009. The destruction of forensic evidence in cases where no suspect has been identified is reportedly standard practice in Portugal.

In the file the police concluded the attack on Behan had been an isolated case, the modus operandi of which was not found in any other cases. The police also said in the file that attempts to find the attacker were hampered by the fact the Euro 2004 football tournament was taking place at the time, leading to “thousands of people from several nationalities” being present in Praia da Rocha.

Behan said she was treated insensitively by the Portuguese police, who she believes failed to properly investigate the rape. She said local people tried to dissuade her from talking about her case.

Evidence on the rape and robbery of the American woman the following year in the nearby resort of Praia da Luz was supposed to have been destroyed in 2010, but court officials had overlooked the fact, according to a file held on the 2005 rape, which the Guardian has also seen.

When German authorities requested the file and evidence – eight items, including a piece of rope used to tie the victim – after receiving information from the Met, it was sent to them by the Portuguese authorities in March 2018. The evidence led to Brückner’s conviction for the 2005 rape in December last year.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/portugal-police-could-reopen-case-irish-woman-hazel-behan-2004-madeleine-mccann (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/portugal-police-could-reopen-case-irish-woman-hazel-behan-2004-madeleine-mccann)

I think that at the time of Madeleine's disappearance the Portuguese legal system demonstrates an ineptitude in how to deal with very serious crimes against women.
Don't forget that bubbling away in the background at this time were the home invasions featuring sexual assaults on children as well as the disappearance of two little girls from neighbouring villages.

There was a systematic type of crime wave in progress here.  Of which either the Portuguese authorities were in blissful ignorance or were assiduously covering up.  But either way - it tends to illustrate why Madeleine's case was handled in the way it was.
Worth listening again to the half-hour Hazel Behan radio interview with Ryan Tubridy.  If Brueckner was the rapist he was keen not to leave any evidence, such as taking his shoes off after climbing onto the balcony outside her apartment and disposing of used condoms in the toilet...

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/tubridy-floored-by-bravery-of-woman-sharing-her-harrowing-rape-ordeal-live-on-air-30921788.html (https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/tubridy-floored-by-bravery-of-woman-sharing-her-harrowing-rape-ordeal-live-on-air-30921788.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2021, 01:29:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 20, 2021, 01:17:15 PM
"The destruction of forensic evidence in cases where no suspect has been identified is reportedly standard practice in Portugal."
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It's also standard practice in the UK, as this letter from the FSS makes clear;

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P9/09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2282.jpg)
i think you will find they may destroy the sample once a dna analysis has been carried out...is this what happens in Portugal...there is  a massive difference
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 20, 2021, 01:29:56 PM
I'm sure they'll magic some hair from somewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 20, 2021, 01:37:42 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 20, 2021, 01:27:37 PM
Worth listening again to the half-hour Hazel Behan radio interview with Ryan Tubridy. If Brueckner was the rapist he was keen not to leave any evidence, such as taking his shoes off after climbing onto the balcony outside her apartment and disposing of used condoms in the toilet...

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/tubridy-floored-by-bravery-of-woman-sharing-her-harrowing-rape-ordeal-live-on-air-30921788.html (https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/tubridy-floored-by-bravery-of-woman-sharing-her-harrowing-rape-ordeal-live-on-air-30921788.html)

Surely that would apply whoever the rapist was .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2021, 01:53:24 PM
Madeleine McCann kidnap suspect faces separate rape charge
new
Debbie White
Monday December 20 2021, 11.00am, The Times
Madeleine McCann
Christian Brückner is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a flat in the Algarve 14 years ago

The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann may be charged with the 2004 rape of an Irish tour representative, according to officials in Germany.

Christian Brückner, 45, is suspected of attacking Hazel Behan, then 20, in her apartment in Praia da Rocha in the Algarve, a 30-minute drive from where Madeleine was abducted. The German news website Der Spiegel said that prosecutors were expected to “conclude the investigation” early next year.

A source claimed that the Braunschweig prosecutor’s office would charge Brückner with raping Behan in Portugal three years before Madeleine’s disappearance in 2007. Brückner denies involvement in her disappearance.

Behan, who has waived her right to anonymity, contacted British police after reading about an apparently similar sex attack by Brückner. His history emerged during an appeal for information by German detectives investigating Madeleine’s disappearance.

Brückner was jailed for seven years in Hanover for the 2005 rape of an American woman, aged 72, after DNA samples taken from a hair at the scene in Praia da Luz helped to convict him.



Prosecutors in Germany have not disclosed what evidence they have to connect the attacks. Brückner’s lawyer has declined to comment, according to reports.

In May, Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor leading the inquiry, said: “The case against the suspect Christian B for the [alleged] rape of Hazel Behan is in a good way . . . I am very hopeful for a charge on this case.

“We are building a picture of Christian B and the methods he uses to commit his crimes. There are parallels with the case of the American tourist who was raped, the attack on Hazel Behan, and the abduction and murder of Madeleine McCann. In each case the person has come into the person’s apartment or property by breaking and entering, often not through the door.”

Madeleine McCann’s parents, Kate and Gerry, appeal for information in 2012, showing how she might have aged

Behan was two weeks from her 21st birthday when she was subjected to a prolonged sexual assault in her apartment. “I thought that was it, my life was over,” she said.



The German legal system means that after any charge Wolters will have to convince a judge that a full trial should be held. It would take place before five judges, probably in the district court in Braunschweig, a city in Lower Saxony known as Brunswick in English, where Brückner spent much of his life in Germany.

He fled to Portugal as an 18-year-old to escape a two-year youth custody sentence for child sex offences, but returned later.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2021, 01:55:45 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 20, 2021, 01:29:56 PM
I'm sure they'll magic some hair from somewhere.

And get a dog handler to magic some alerts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 20, 2021, 02:21:32 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2021, 01:29:41 PM
i think you will find they may destroy the sample once a dna analysis has been carried out...is this what happens in Portugal...there is  a massive difference

According to the press DNA seems to have been obtained - interestingly enough the destruction of the samples wasn't carried out until 2007.


The documents make it clear DNA was obtained but no match. They do not specify the exact nature of the material recovered.
Confirming the destruction of the DNA evidence, they say: 'On March 15 2007 when the judge decides to archive the investigation, the Public Ministry decide any biological material should be destroyed.'
They add: 'As they are in a bad condition it is improbable that if this re-investigation was reopened the material could be subjected to counterproof analysis.'
The astonishing DNA decision emerged just days after the former head of Portugal's National Forensic Medicine Institute said the evidence collected from the McCanns' holiday apartment could still prove valuable in unlocking the 13-year mystery.
Duarte Nuno Vieira, President President of Portugal's National Forensic Medicine Institute when the youngster vanished, said all the samples taken were kept under lock and key at a lab in the northern city of Coimbra and could be used for re-testing with today's modern technology whenever needed.
He told Portuguese broadcaster CMTV: 'The samples are still being kept in optimum conditions and despite the fact 13 years have gone by, it's still possible today to repeat tests.'
Recent unconfirmed Portuguese reports claimed convicted rapist Brueckner had been ruled out as a suspect in the Hazel Behan case but gave no indication why.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8548021/Investigation-reopened-rape-ordeal-linked-Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-suspect.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 20, 2021, 08:58:30 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 20, 2021, 11:59:55 AM
There is a one hundred and ten page file in existence on the ordeal suffered by Ms Behan.

In 2007 a swab taken after a medical examination was destroyed - according to the file because it had been kept in “adverse preservation conditions”.
The rest of the items were destroyed in 2009. The destruction of forensic evidence in cases where no suspect has been identified is reportedly standard practice in Portugal.

In the file the police concluded the attack on Behan had been an isolated case, the modus operandi of which was not found in any other cases. The police also said in the file that attempts to find the attacker were hampered by the fact the Euro 2004 football tournament was taking place at the time, leading to “thousands of people from several nationalities” being present in Praia da Rocha.

Behan said she was treated insensitively by the Portuguese police, who she believes failed to properly investigate the rape. She said local people tried to dissuade her from talking about her case.

Evidence on the rape and robbery of the American woman the following year in the nearby resort of Praia da Luz was supposed to have been destroyed in 2010, but court officials had overlooked the fact, according to a file held on the 2005 rape, which the Guardian has also seen.

When German authorities requested the file and evidence – eight items, including a piece of rope used to tie the victim – after receiving information from the Met, it was sent to them by the Portuguese authorities in March 2018. The evidence led to Brückner’s conviction for the 2005 rape in December last year.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/portugal-police-could-reopen-case-irish-woman-hazel-behan-2004-madeleine-mccann

I think that at the time of Madeleine's disappearance the Portuguese legal system demonstrates an ineptitude in how to deal with very serious crimes against women.
Don't forget that bubbling away in the background at this time were the home invasions featuring sexual assaults on children as well as the disappearance of two little girls from neighbouring villages.

There was a systematic type of crime wave in progress here.  Of which either the Portuguese authorities were in blissful ignorance or were assiduously covering up.  But either way - it tends to illustrate why Madeleine's case was handled in the way it was.

I’ll just leave this here.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/23/fewer-than-one-in-60-cases-lead-to-charge-in-england-and-wales
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2021, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 20, 2021, 08:58:30 PM
I’ll just leave this here.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/23/fewer-than-one-in-60-cases-lead-to-charge-in-england-and-wales

I think you should.. Because if VB is convicted of the Behan rape thats two the pj allowed him to get away Scott free.

He must have felt he could commit crime with impunity
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2021, 09:57:38 PM
It would be interesting to know how many rapes get prosecuted in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 20, 2021, 10:04:59 PM
An eye-opening report on the subject of attitudes to rape in Portugal:

In our experience criminal proceedings and court cases are lengthy and do not take into account the needs of the victims. The investigative and court process is based on the production and presenta- tion of evidence and there is a lack of specialised training on the issue of sexual violence. Victims’ suf- fering and risk are difficult to be recognized by the judicial system. Moreover, victims are still subjected to the patriarchal and “macho” perspective that blames the victim” for “not resisting” or “wearing a mini skirt”...
A recent (2010) rape court case illustrates this con- tinuing discrimination against women:
A well-known psychiatrist raped an eight month pregnant patient and was convicted in criminal court to five years in prison, with probation.
However two judges from the Court of Appeal de- cided to acquit the psychiatrist on the grounds that the defendant did not use enough violence to make the victim unable to resist. In the appeal decision, the judges say that “evidence that the psychiatrist raped the eight month pregnant and depressed patient dur- ing a consultation must be based on the “practice of acts by the use of physical force[...] in order to force her not to resist[...] or to overcome her resistance .”And they added “Simply disregarding the will of the victim cannot be classified as violence.”
This case had significant repercussions within both the media and public opinion. Most reactions were of outrage and indignation, but some also disbe- lieved the victim and defended the psychiatrist’s reputation.

The case had a terrible impact on the woman in- volved as she was widely exposed in the media and social networks, where links were shared to the trial documents and reports about the violence and hu- miliation she was subjected to during the rape.
This case illustrates the risk that the women victims of rape have to face when reporting the crime to the authorities, as there is no guarantee that they will be treated respectfully by the judicial system.
A positive note: Portugal ratified the Istanbul Con- vention on 5/2/2013 and it was recognized that the actual definition of rape must be changed.

https://www.womenlobby.org/IMG/pdf/2714_portugal_lr.pdf
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 22, 2021, 05:38:50 PM
Extra, extra its in the brit rags so gotta be true, won't be long now. They're hoping which will please one or two.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-hope-make-25758985


Madeleine McCann police hope 'make or break' Portugal trip will lead to charges
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 23, 2021, 06:25:19 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Explosive fingerprint clue as Madeleine McCann suspect faces three new charges
23 Dec, 2021 @ 10:00
THE prime suspect in the case of missing Madeleine McCann will be charged with three separate sex crimes in February.

Christian Brueckner will face ‘up to nine years’ in prison for the violent rape of an Irish girl in Portugal in 2004.

He will also face a number of years each for the sexual assault of five young children in 2007 and 2017.

Both attacks were close to Praia da Luz, where British toddler Madeleine McCann vanished during a family holiday in May 2007 just before her fourth birthday.

The Olive Press can reveal that prosecutors in Germany have built up an ‘extremely strong case’ against the German, 45, in all three cases.


The strongest is hinged around his fingerprints being left in the apartment of the rape victim, Hazel Behan, it has emerged.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters will accuse Brueckner of waking the 20-year-old in the middle of the night while wearing a mask and holding a knife to her throat.

Behan’s assailant – who spoke English with a German accent – had climbed up to her first floor balcony and slid open her patio doors, which she had left slightly ajar.

According to a new TV documentary on German channel Sat.1, he had then picked up one of her kitchen knives to threaten her not to scream.


He then proceeded to set up a video camera to record how he violently attacked and then raped her, during an ordeal that lasted over an hour.

By amazing fortune, the programme will reveal, while he had attempted to clean up the scene he left a partial fingerprint on the knife.

“Initially German police believed all the evidence had been destroyed,” said an investigator working on the film Der Fall Maddie – auf der Spur des Taters (meaning The Maddie Case – on the trail of the culprit).

“But while most of it was thrown away by Portuguese police, luckily the main bits had been uploaded onto a computer, including half a fingerprint, which links to Brueckner.

“It makes it a very clear case and the prosecutors in Germany have known about this for some time, since 2017 in fact.

“Wolters is very sure about it and is set to proceed with the conviction now, and we are pretty certain it will be in February.”

The investigator added that while the Maddie case ‘will take a little longer to pull together’ Brueckner will be charged with two other crimes in February.

The first involves the sexual assault of a 10-year-old German girl on a beach, near Praia da Luz, one month before Madeleine went missing in the same resort.

In the sinister broad daylight attack, the girl’s naked assailant had first talked in English, then German, before groping her while playing with himself.

He had been forced to run away in clear sight of the girl’s parents, who noted his age, hair and height to police in a statement the following day.

Brueckner, then 30, fitted the description perfectly.

“There is a good basis for our suspicion,” Wolters told the Olive Press this summer.

“It has really helped that the German tourists have now formally recognised Brueckner,” the German TV source added.

In the second, most recent attack, the German pervert was arrested and extradited back to Germany after being caught exposing himself to four children in a playpark.

Brueckner will be charged with the late night offence, when he stripped off while sitting under a slide during a festival in Messines, in June 2017.

“It is fair to say that the evidence is rather better than other cases,” Wolters also told the Olive Press in June.

“I cannot say how long he will face, but it will be two, four or six years. And it will be higher because it is not his first offence.”

Brueckner is currently serving a seven-year sentence for the rape of an American woman, Diana Menkes, who was 72 at the time of the attack in Praia da Luz, in 2005.


Menkes, who passed away earlier this year, also faced a nearly two-hour ordeal that was filmed by Brueckner using a camera and a tripod.

Brave Menkes recognised her assailant and testified against him from America two years before her death. Police found one of his hairs in the beachside apartment close to where he lived.

He used a similar modus operandi in the attack on Behan, who also recognised the German and insisted police reopened the case last year.

Olive Press editor Jon Clarke revealed in his book My Search for Madeleine, published this summer, that friends of Brueckner had found a series of sinister videos at his former home in Praia da Luz.

Four friends spoke out about ‘up to 20’ rape videos, in which Brueckner sometimes appeared.

They had found the hoard in the so-called ‘yellow house’ where he lived overlooking Praia da Luz for seven years.

Police in Germany also unearthed a stash of tens of thousands of films and photos involving child pornography, animal sex and rape.

Brueckner had hidden the collection of memory sticks and other devices under the dead body of his buried dog in a derelict box factory, in Former East Germany.

The former orphan, who has a long crime record, has been twice convicted of child sex abuse offences, involving at least four children, in Germany.

German police made him the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case in June last year, in particular looking for information about two phone numbers and two vehicles.

In a dramatic appeal they announced that his phone had been used in a 30-minute call near the Ocean Club just hours before the toddler went missing.

The German TV documentary set to air in February will give much more detail on the week in question and reveal ‘substantial’ new information.

As well as talking in detail to the police and prosecution, they have had ‘considerable’ communication with both Brueckner and his lawyer.

“It looks extremely likely that Brueckner took Madeleine, but I don’t think he did it alone,” added the investigator. “It is going to be an explosive programme.”

Maddie Book
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 23, 2021, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 23, 2021, 06:25:19 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Explosive fingerprint clue as Madeleine McCann suspect faces three new charges
23 Dec, 2021 @ 10:00
THE prime suspect in the case of missing Madeleine McCann will be charged with three separate sex crimes in February.

Christian Brueckner will face ‘up to nine years’ in prison for the violent rape of an Irish girl in Portugal in 2004.

He will also face a number of years each for the sexual assault of five young children in 2007 and 2017.

Both attacks were close to Praia da Luz, where British toddler Madeleine McCann vanished during a family holiday in May 2007 just before her fourth birthday.

The Olive Press can reveal that prosecutors in Germany have built up an ‘extremely strong case’ against the German, 45, in all three cases.


The strongest is hinged around his fingerprints being left in the apartment of the rape victim, Hazel Behan, it has emerged.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters will accuse Brueckner of waking the 20-year-old in the middle of the night while wearing a mask and holding a knife to her throat.

Behan’s assailant – who spoke English with a German accent – had climbed up to her first floor balcony and slid open her patio doors, which she had left slightly ajar.

According to a new TV documentary on German channel Sat.1, he had then picked up one of her kitchen knives to threaten her not to scream.


He then proceeded to set up a video camera to record how he violently attacked and then raped her, during an ordeal that lasted over an hour.

By amazing fortune, the programme will reveal, while he had attempted to clean up the scene he left a partial fingerprint on the knife.

“Initially German police believed all the evidence had been destroyed,” said an investigator working on the film Der Fall Maddie – auf der Spur des Taters (meaning The Maddie Case – on the trail of the culprit).

“But while most of it was thrown away by Portuguese police, luckily the main bits had been uploaded onto a computer, including half a fingerprint, which links to Brueckner.

“It makes it a very clear case and the prosecutors in Germany have known about this for some time, since 2017 in fact.

“Wolters is very sure about it and is set to proceed with the conviction now, and we are pretty certain it will be in February.”

The investigator added that while the Maddie case ‘will take a little longer to pull together’ Brueckner will be charged with two other crimes in February.

The first involves the sexual assault of a 10-year-old German girl on a beach, near Praia da Luz, one month before Madeleine went missing in the same resort.

In the sinister broad daylight attack, the girl’s naked assailant had first talked in English, then German, before groping her while playing with himself.

He had been forced to run away in clear sight of the girl’s parents, who noted his age, hair and height to police in a statement the following day.

Brueckner, then 30, fitted the description perfectly.

“There is a good basis for our suspicion,” Wolters told the Olive Press this summer.

“It has really helped that the German tourists have now formally recognised Brueckner,” the German TV source added.

In the second, most recent attack, the German pervert was arrested and extradited back to Germany after being caught exposing himself to four children in a playpark.

Brueckner will be charged with the late night offence, when he stripped off while sitting under a slide during a festival in Messines, in June 2017.

“It is fair to say that the evidence is rather better than other cases,” Wolters also told the Olive Press in June.

“I cannot say how long he will face, but it will be two, four or six years. And it will be higher because it is not his first offence.”

Brueckner is currently serving a seven-year sentence for the rape of an American woman, Diana Menkes, who was 72 at the time of the attack in Praia da Luz, in 2005.


Menkes, who passed away earlier this year, also faced a nearly two-hour ordeal that was filmed by Brueckner using a camera and a tripod.

Brave Menkes recognised her assailant and testified against him from America two years before her death. Police found one of his hairs in the beachside apartment close to where he lived.

He used a similar modus operandi in the attack on Behan, who also recognised the German and insisted police reopened the case last year.

Olive Press editor Jon Clarke revealed in his book My Search for Madeleine, published this summer, that friends of Brueckner had found a series of sinister videos at his former home in Praia da Luz.

Four friends spoke out about ‘up to 20’ rape videos, in which Brueckner sometimes appeared.

They had found the hoard in the so-called ‘yellow house’ where he lived overlooking Praia da Luz for seven years.

Police in Germany also unearthed a stash of tens of thousands of films and photos involving child pornography, animal sex and rape.

Brueckner had hidden the collection of memory sticks and other devices under the dead body of his buried dog in a derelict box factory, in Former East Germany.

The former orphan, who has a long crime record, has been twice convicted of child sex abuse offences, involving at least four children, in Germany.

German police made him the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case in June last year, in particular looking for information about two phone numbers and two vehicles.

In a dramatic appeal they announced that his phone had been used in a 30-minute call near the Ocean Club just hours before the toddler went missing.

The German TV documentary set to air in February will give much more detail on the week in question and reveal ‘substantial’ new information.

As well as talking in detail to the police and prosecution, they have had ‘considerable’ communication with both Brueckner and his lawyer.

“It looks extremely likely that Brueckner took Madeleine, but I don’t think he did it alone,” added the investigator. “It is going to be an explosive programme.”

Maddie Book

Thanks for that VS.

So Brueckner allegedly left a partial fingerprint at the scene of Hazel's rape.

That seems pretty conclusive.

I was interested in "“It looks extremely likely that Brueckner took Madeleine, but I don’t think he did it alone,” added the investigator."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 23, 2021, 08:11:22 PM
How careless of him.

First a stray pube then a partial fingerprint.
Just how unlucky can a guy get ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 23, 2021, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2021, 08:11:22 PM
How careless of him.

First a stray pube then a partial fingerprint.
Just how unlucky can a guy get ?
Not as unlucky as his victims, it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 23, 2021, 08:26:42 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2021, 08:11:22 PM
How careless of him.

First a stray pube then a partial fingerprint.
Just how unlucky can a guy get ?

Strange that he hasn’t been charged yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 23, 2021, 08:28:20 PM
How reliable would a partial fingerprint be ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 23, 2021, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 23, 2021, 08:26:42 PM
Strange that he hasn’t been charged yet.

Well yes, if it's  all cut & dried, what are they waiting for ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 23, 2021, 08:41:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2021, 08:29:30 PM
Well yes, if it's  all cut & dries, what are they waiting for ?

It’s strange that some here think that Wolter doesn’t want to charge Bruckner as he would have to reveal the evidence the BKA have against him and yet here he is exposing his all like some tuppenny unfortunate to anyone with a notebook.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 23, 2021, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 23, 2021, 08:28:20 PM
How reliable would a partial fingerprint be ?

Fingerprints are made up of a series of whorls, loops, ridges and arch formations but also so are the palms of the hands. Palm prints are also highly important in the compiling of evidence.

It is also possible to achieve accurate fingerprint identification from partial prints

It is worth noting also that although DNA samples cannot be held after the completion of a police investigation – unless the suspect is found guilty of a crime; fingerprint information can be kept on file.
https://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/Fingerprints.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 25, 2021, 08:08:32 PM
Make of this what you will.

EXCLUSIVE: Scotland Yard 'detectives believe Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE': Bespoke Met Police unit is treating tragedy as a missing person case - despite German authorities insisting snatched girl is dead

Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann team has 'more open thinking' and is still treating her disappearance as a missing person's investigation – despite German prosecutors insisting she is dead.

Among other theories, the bespoke London unit of officers codenamed Operation Grange is still working on a possibility she may be alive.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10239367/Scotland-Yard-open-thinking-Madeleine-McCann-Germans-think-dead.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 25, 2021, 09:27:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 25, 2021, 08:08:32 PM
Make of this what you will.

EXCLUSIVE: Scotland Yard 'detectives believe Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE': Bespoke Met Police unit is treating tragedy as a missing person case - despite German authorities insisting snatched girl is dead

Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann team has 'more open thinking' and is still treating her disappearance as a missing person's investigation – despite German prosecutors insisting she is dead.

Among other theories, the bespoke London unit of officers codenamed Operation Grange is still working on a possibility she may be alive.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10239367/Scotland-Yard-open-thinking-Madeleine-McCann-Germans-think-dead.html

It's all nonsense.

'detectives believe Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE

If they are genuinely saying that, then they are no further on than they were at the start

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: jassi on December 25, 2021, 09:27:28 PM
It's all nonsense.

'detectives believe Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE

If they are genuinely saying that, then they are no further on than they were at the start

It  kinda fits in with the update, still we can expect Wolters to rain on the parade soon.

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

It’s a little similar in some ways with the investigation to find Madeleine…work and progress continue but with no significant news to share at this stage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 26, 2021, 09:43:06 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 26, 2021, 09:41:16 AM
It  kinda fits in with the update,

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

It’s a little similar in some ways with the investigation to find Madeleine…work and progress continue but with no significant news to share at this stage.
A touching and heartfelt message, I’m sure you won’t agree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 09:54:21 AM
It's a nothing article that does not contradict anything that has come out of Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 09:54:21 AM
It's a nothing article that does not contradict anything that has come out of Germany

I suppose it must have been "news" for somebody - not everyone is as steeped in the minutiae of the case as we are.

It's just a debating point and a waiting game for us at the moment - it is so vastly different for Madeleine's family in particular and all the families of the missing at this family orientated time of year.

Those of us who have lost people over the past years at least have had the 'luxury' of being able to grieve - it is a special Hell for those living with the uncertainty of never knowing.

I despair of the inhumanity shown and the inventiveness used to express the anonymous sentiment which is too shameful to own in the public arena.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 26, 2021, 10:40:33 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 26, 2021, 09:41:16 AM
It  kinda fits in with the update, still we can expect Wolters to rain on the parade soon.

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

It’s a little similar in some ways with the investigation to find Madeleine…work and progress continue but with no significant news to share at this stage.

By the looks of it they are still hanging onto the forlorn hope that the child they let down so badly is somehow still alive. I suppose if it makes them feel better they have to hold onto something.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 26, 2021, 10:40:33 AM
By the looks of it they are still hanging onto the forlorn hope that the child they let down so badly is somehow still alive. I suppose if it makes them feel better they have to hold onto something.

So much hate in your post.. I suppose if it makes you feel better
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 09:54:21 AM
It's a nothing article that does not contradict anything that has come out of Germany

Nor is there anything that firms up on the German side, you're in a for a big disappointment regarding CB/Wolters and Madeleine imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 11:24:32 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 26, 2021, 10:40:33 AM
By the looks of it they are still hanging onto the forlorn hope that the child they let down so badly is somehow still alive. I suppose if it makes them feel better they have to hold onto something.

Not only are they continuing to hope - they have been proactive in taking on the evil which all but destroyed their lives and was tolerated for so long.

Brueckner was for many years a destructive force.  Without the McCanns and their campaigns on Madeleine's behalf I think there is a fair chance he would still be on the loose and still a danger to women and children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 11:32:05 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 26, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
Nor is there anything that firms up on the German side, you're in a for a big disappointment regarding CB/Wolters and Madeleine imo.
It doesn't need firming up. It's s non story for the sake of it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 11:42:53 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 11:32:05 AM
It doesn't need firming up. It's s non story for the sake of it

Wolters: We could charge.
 SY: has more open thinking.

Which do you consider to be bluffing, they both can't be right. One believes she's dead , murdered, the other believes she could still be alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 12:38:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 26, 2021, 11:42:53 AM
Wolters: We could charge.
 SY: has more open thinking.

Which do you consider to be bluffing, they both can't be right. One believes she's dead , murdered, the other believes she could still be alive.

You need to follow the case more closely.. Both Wolters and SY agree Maddie could still be alive
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 26, 2021, 11:42:53 AM
Wolters: We could charge.
 SY: has more open thinking.

Which do you consider to be bluffing, they both can't be right. One believes she's dead , murdered, the other believes she could still be alive.
Is Susanne Pilley dead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 26, 2021, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 12:38:20 PM
You need to follow the case more closely.. Both Wolters and SY agree Maddie could still be alive

In which case there can't be a charge of murder. So much for Wolters alleged photos then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 12:38:20 PM
You need to follow the case more closely.. Both Wolters and SY agree Maddie could still be alive

Really ? certain of guilt but she could still be alive, how does that work ? Oct: Prosecutors investigating paedophile Christian Brueckner on suspicion of murdering Madeleine McCann are certain of his guilt and determined to build the strongest possible case against him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 26, 2021, 12:55:07 PM
In which case there can't be a charge of murder. So much for Wolters alleged photos then.

The article casts doubts on the German investigation from a SY point of view, why else would this bespoke team think she is alive, if the Germans have shared information SY are far from convinced by it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 26, 2021, 01:12:51 PM
The article casts doubts on the German investigation from a SY point of view, why else would this bespoke team think she is alive, if the Germans have shared information SY are far from convinced by it.

Au contraire - Wolters has conceded that Scotland Yard may well be right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 26, 2021, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 01:41:46 PM
Au contraire - Wolters has conceded that Scotland Yard may well be right.

Indeed, which would mean that his evidence against Brueckner can't be that good.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 01:59:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 26, 2021, 01:49:30 PM
Indeed, which would mean that his evidence against Brueckner can't be that good.

Wolters concedes its all circumstantial, CB is a nasty piece of work who imo by pure coincidence (circumstantial ) just happened to be around, why not , the three amigos were too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 02:02:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 12:46:01 PM
Is Susanne Pilley dead


From a legal perspective yes, is Madeleine ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 02:05:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 26, 2021, 01:59:29 PM
Wolters concedes its all circumstantial, CB is a nasty piece of work who imo by pure coincidence (circumstantial ) just happened to be around, why not , the three amigos were too.

It was never said there was concrete evidence Re the three amigos.

Circumstantial convicted Suzanne Pilleys murderer... Is she definitely dead.
From what Wolters has said he has more than circumstantial of Maddies death
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 26, 2021, 02:02:37 PM

From a legal perspective yes, is Madeleine ?

There is no definitive evidence SP is dead.... Same as Madeliene.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 02:14:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
There is no definitive evidence SP is dead.... Same as Madeliene.

There's no evidence Suzi lamplugh is either, nor Keith Bennet, nor Genette Tate, how long do want to carry on with the strawman act.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 26, 2021, 02:14:25 PM
There's no evidence Suzi lamplugh is either, nor Keith Bennet, nor Genette Tate, how long do want to carry on with the strawman act.

I'm stating facts which seem to have demolished the argument that SY and the BKA are not in agreement... They are.  In reality both think MM is dead but there is a possibility she  is alive... Again.. Thst is a fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 02:17:23 PM
I'm stating facts which seem to have demolished the argument that SY and the BKA are not in agreement... They are.  In reality both think MM is dead but there is a possibility she  is alive... Again.. Thst is a fact


Nope, you're stating your opinion as fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 02:27:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 02:17:23 PM
I'm stating facts which seem to have demolished the argument that SY and the BKA are not in agreement... They are.  In reality both think MM is dead but there is a possibility she  is alive... Again.. Thst is a fact

So you don’t believe that Wolter has as strong a case as he claims?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 02:17:23 PM
I'm stating facts which seem to have demolished the argument that SY and the BKA are not in agreement... They are. In reality both think MM is dead but there is a possibility she  is alive... Again.. Thst is a fact


So when Wolters talks of his suspect killing Madeleine with evidence there of, he's talking bull, at least we agree on something.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 26, 2021, 02:28:29 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 02:27:09 PM
So you don’t believe that Wolter has as strong a case as he claims?

Obviously not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 02:27:09 PM
So you don’t believe that Wolter has as strong a case as he claims?

I think he does.. I explained why he cannot confirm death but  believes Maddie is dead but it's quite unpleasant and I would prefer not to repeat it.. In short he says he has evidence of Maddie in such a situation that death was inevitable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 26, 2021, 01:49:30 PM
Indeed, which would mean that his evidence against Brueckner can't be that good.

I think the German investigators are spoilt for choice when it comes to the volume of evidence extant against Brueckner;  the quality of which we have been assured we will be able to assess when it is presented in court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 03:30:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 02:36:51 PM
I think he does.. I explained why he cannot confirm death but  believes Maddie is dead but it's quite unpleasant and I would prefer not to repeat it.. In short he says he has evidence of Maddie in such a situation that death was inevitable

So if he can’t confirm death then he can’t have enough evidence to charge Bruckner with murder? Isn’t that simple logic?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 03:32:10 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 03:28:29 PM
I think the German investigators are spoilt for choice when it comes to the volume of evidence extant against Brueckner;  the quality of which we have been assured we will be able to assess when it is presented in court.

I’d lay odds on it never getting to court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 03:32:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 02:17:23 PM
I'm stating facts which seem to have demolished the argument that SY and the BKA are not in agreement... They are.  In reality both think MM is dead but there is a possibility she  is alive... Again.. Thst is a fact

Not according to Wolters;

‘I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.’
https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/09/madeleine-mccann-investigators-100-sure-prime-suspect-killed-her-15392191/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 03:30:44 PM
So if he can’t confirm death then he can’t have enough evidence to charge Bruckner with murder? Isn’t that simple logic?

Guilt is defined as beyond reasonable doubt.. He's sure beyond reasonable doubt that Maddie is dead.  Therebis no proof Susanne Pilley is dead but there is a conviction for her murder
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 03:32:26 PM
Not according to Wolters;

‘I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.’
https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/09/madeleine-mccann-investigators-100-sure-prime-suspect-killed-her-15392191/

Read it again.. Wolters is saying   ..for us... He's quoting opinion not stating an absolute fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 03:41:39 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 26, 2021, 01:59:29 PM
Wolters concedes its all circumstantial, CB is a nasty piece of work who imo by pure coincidence (circumstantial ) just happened to be around, why not , the three amigos were too.

Your tolerance for criminals who enter homes illegally is quite extraordinary - particularly when it is borne in mind that one of those mentioned is a known rapist and paedophile who is the subject of investigation in more sickening crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 04:03:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 03:34:08 PM
Guilt is defined as beyond reasonable doubt.. He's sure beyond reasonable doubt that Maddie is dead.  Therebis no proof Susanne Pilley is dead but there is a conviction for her murder

So you believe that Wolter has evidence that Madeleine is dead ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ and that Brueckner is the perpetrator, so why doesn’t he charge him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 03:41:39 PM
Your tolerance for criminals who enter homes illegally is quite extraordinary - particularly when it is borne in mind that one of those mentioned is a known rapist and paedophile who is the subject of investigation in more sickening crimes.

I don’t think anyone on the forum believes that Brueckner is anything but a loathsome creature who deserves to be exactly where he is. To conflate the desire for the correct person to be brought to justice with a positive opinion of Brueckner is totally disingenuous and a tactic you use far too often.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 04:03:24 PM
So you believe that Wolter has evidence that Madeleine is dead ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ and that Brueckner is the perpetrator, so why doesn’t he charge him?

That's near enough right... Wolters has explained why he hasn't charged him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 04:09:18 PM
I don’t think anyone on the forum believes that Brueckner is anything but a loathsome creature who deserves to be exactly where he is. To conflate the desire for the correct person to be brought to justice with a positive opinion of Brueckner is totally disingenuous and a tactic you use far too often.

Do you think others.. Including me.. Are not just as concerned as you that the right person is brought to justice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 04:13:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
That's near enough right... Wolters has explained why he hasn't charged him

Unfortunately Wolter’s explanation doesn’t bear scrutiny. You agree that the case, according to Wolter, has been proved ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’, the legal standard by which charges are laid, and he will be able to continue building a case after charges have been laid….so why doesn’t he lay charges?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 04:13:38 PM
Unfortunately Wolter’s explanation doesn’t bear scrutiny. You agree that the case, according to Wolter, has been proved ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’, the legal standard by which charges are laid, and he will be able to continue building a case after charges have been laid….so why doesn’t he lay charges?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 04:14:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 04:12:09 PM
Do you think others.. Including me.. Are not just as concerned as you that the right person is brought to justice

I’m sure you do however even seasoned detectives become tunnel visioned at times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 04:17:36 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 04:13:38 PM
Unfortunately Wolter’s explanation doesn’t bear scrutiny. You agree that the case, according to Wolter, has been proved ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’, the legal standard by which charges are laid, and he will be able to continue building a case after charges have been laid….so why doesn’t he lay charges?

You are quoting your opinion as fact.
Wolters has never used the word proof or proved
It's a fact that the justice system errs on the sude of getting the guilty go free.
Wolters is looking for more evidence.. Perhaps even the body. There is absolutely no rush.
I think Wolters action do bear scrutiny
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 04:18:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 04:14:46 PM
I’m sure you do however even seasoned detectives become tunnel visioned at times.

Some do.. Amaral for instance. It all depends in what evidence wolters has... That's what counts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 04:29:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 04:17:36 PM
You are quoting your opinion as fact.
Wolters has never used the word proof or proved
It's a fact that the justice system errs on the sude of getting the guilty go free.
Wolters is looking for more evidence.. Perhaps even the body. There is absolutely no rush.
I think Wolters action do bear scrutiny

It is not my opinion…just look at any case that ever comes to court. The police collect the evidence that suggest guilt. The prosecutor decides whether the evidence will convince a jury and if they decide it does then charges are laid. The investigation then looks for further evidence to solidify their case.

Wolter’s opinion is that a solid case can be made for Brueckner’s guilt…so why doesn’t he charge him?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 03:35:26 PM
Read it again.. Wolters is saying   ..for us... He's quoting opinion not stating an absolute fact

i think he has offered his opinion too often. Most unprofessional.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 26, 2021, 05:21:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 04:32:29 PM
i think he has offered his opinion too often. Most unprofessional.
Is that a fact or is it merely your opinion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 08:28:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 04:32:29 PM
i think he has offered his opinion too often. Most unprofessional.

And possibly prejudicial to a fair trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 04:32:29 PM
i think he has offered his opinion too often. Most unprofessional.

I find him far more professional than grime.. We will see.  It's not just his opinion.. He's, speaking for the investigattion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 08:28:55 PM
And possibly prejudicial to a fair trial.

Jes, already answered that point... It depends how strong the evidence is... It seems he feels he can make it watertight
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 26, 2021, 08:44:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 08:28:55 PM
And possibly prejudicial to a fair trial.

That might be the name of the game.
Not enough evidence to convict, but  putting his name into the public domain ensures a fair trial cannot take place.
Everyone then 'believes' he's guilty but got off on a technicality.

Case solved.
OG off the hook and can close down to cold case that goes nowhere.
McCann can continue to claims she's still alive and hang on to the loot - until she's old enough to draw a pension no doubt.
Germans can claim they got their man  and will no doubt  get him for something else .

Just an idea

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 08:34:04 PM
Jes, already answered that point... It depends how strong the evidence is... It seems he feels he can make it watertight

It doesn’t matter how strong the evidence is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 08:47:38 PM
It doesn’t matter how strong the evidence is.

Yes it does... Do you want an example and a lesson in law
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 08:32:07 PM
I find him far more professional than grime.. We will see.  It's not just his opinion.. He's, speaking for the investigattion

Grime didn't court publicity or accuse anyone publicly, the two aren't comparable. Wolters is speculating about something that he can't prove.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 09:26:34 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 26, 2021, 08:44:10 PM
That might be the name of the game.
Not enough evidence to convict, but  putting his name into the public domain ensures a fair trial cannot take place.
Everyone then 'believes' he's guilty but got off on a technicality.

Case solved.
OG off the hook and can close down to cold case that goes nowhere.
McCann can continue to claims she's still alive and hang on to the loot - until she's old enough to draw a pension no doubt.
Germans can claim they got their man  and will no doubt  get him for something else .

Just an idea

So no-one will ever know for sure, but the whole question can go away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 09:21:02 PM
Grime didn't court publicity or accuse anyone publicly, the two aren't comparable. Wolters is speculating about something that he can't prove.

You don't know that Wolters cant prove it.. But that doesn't stop you breaking forum rules.. Opinion as fact
Its also your opinion that Wolters courts publicity.
Grime stated that the only alerts were to things McCann.. He had no need to say that

He had no need to say that in his opinion thevdigs behaviour changed as soon as he entered 5a..

He also made a, veiled reference to the mccanns in his white paper.. A paper that could be seen as self promotion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 09:30:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 09:26:34 PM
So no-one will ever know for sure, but the whole question can go away.

I for one certainly won't accept his guilt without evidence.
Do you once again see yourself and sceptics as being in some way superior.. I don't.  Imo. It's sceptics who are willing to believe without a trial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 09:32:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 09:04:39 PM
Yes it does... Do you want an example and a lesson in law

That would be interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 09:32:05 PM
That would be interesting.

Look at the Greek helicopter pilot who police say is guilty and has confessed.. Any complaints..
If he retracts his confession can he get a fair trial. It depends on the evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 09:34:57 PM
Look at the Greek helicopter pilot who police say is guilty and has confessed.. Any complaints..
If he retracts his confession can he get a fair trial. It depends on the evidence.

Did the prosecutor accuse Babis Anagnostopoulos in the media of murder before he was charged?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 09:56:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 09:53:25 PM
Did the prosecutor accuse Babis Anagnostopoulos in the media of murder before he was charged?

Why should that make a difference ..even if charged he has the right to the POI
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 10:10:36 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 26, 2021, 09:56:10 PM
Why should that make a difference ..even if charged he has the right to the POI

You don’t think that a prosecutor accusing a legally innocent man ( of this crime) of murder before one witness has been heard would prejudice any future trial? Interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 09:21:02 PM
Grime didn't court publicity or accuse anyone publicly, the two aren't comparable. Wolters is speculating about something that he can't prove.

Grime successfully used the dog video to solicit work for his new commercial venture - I think that might have been a little presumptive of him.

Actually getting that job backfired on him - not financially - but as far as professional reputation was concerned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 10:16:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 26, 2021, 10:10:36 PM
You don’t think that a prosecutor accusing a legally innocent man ( of this crime) of murder before one witness has been heard would prejudice any future trial? Interesting.

It would depend on what evidence Wolters has.  CB has the right to a fair trial.. Guaranteed by the ECHR.
I will be the first to complain if he doesn't get one.

You seem to think despite what evidence is presented his trial wint be fair.. I disagree
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 26, 2021, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: jassi on December 26, 2021, 08:44:10 PM
That might be the name of the game.
Not enough evidence to convict, but  putting his name into the public domain ensures a fair trial cannot take place.
Everyone then 'believes' he's guilty but got off on a technicality.

Case solved.
OG off the hook and can close down to cold case that goes nowhere.
McCann can continue to claims she's still alive and hang on to the loot - until she's old enough to draw a pension no doubt.
Germans can claim they got their man  and will no doubt  get him for something else .

Just an idea
Just a load of horseshit.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 26, 2021, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 09:26:34 PM
So no-one will ever know for sure, but the whole question can go away.
The whole question could have “gone away” when the case was shelved in 2008.  Jesus H what conspiracy nonsense you lot subscribe to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2021, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 10:11:13 PM
Grime successfully used the dog video to solicit work for his new commercial venture - I think that might have been a little presumptive of him.

Actually getting that job backfired on him - not financially - but as far as professional reputation was concerned.

I think it's reasonable to say that Grimes White paper could be used to support any application for work for his companies.  It's not a scientific research paper and has not been peer reviewed.  It's a statement of his own ideas and abilities
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 11:48:13 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 26, 2021, 10:11:13 PM
Grime successfully used the dog video to solicit work for his new commercial venture - I think that might have been a little presumptive of him.

Actually getting that job backfired on him - not financially - but as far as professional reputation was concerned.

According to rumour, but did he show the video before or after he was hired? I think his reputation has remained intact despite efforts by some to blacken it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 01:47:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 11:48:13 PM
According to rumour, but did he show the video before or after he was hired? I think his reputation has remained intact despite efforts by some to blacken it.

An official Government Review was conducted regarding the debacle which occurred at Haute de la Garenne.

Report to the Minister and Accounting
Officer, Home Affairs Department,
States of Jersey
Operation Rectangle
Review of the Efficient and Effective
Use of Resources
May 2010
https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf


Once again your inimitable posting style containing the innuendo of slurs attached to facts which don't fit the narrative you have invented for yourself are bandied about.

Nobody attempted to "blacken" Grime's name.


The information contained in the above link won't be to your liking - with what pejorative label are you going to assign to it - bearing in mind it is all a matter of record.! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 07:30:07 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 01:47:07 AM
An official Government Review was conducted regarding the debacle which occurred at Haute de la Garenne.

Report to the Minister and Accounting
Officer, Home Affairs Department,
States of Jersey
Operation Rectangle
Review of the Efficient and Effective
Use of Resources
May 2010
https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf


Once again your inimitable posting style containing the innuendo of slurs attached to facts which don't fit the narrative you have invented for yourself are bandied about.

Nobody attempted to "blacken" Grime's name.
  • As part of the Review we have met with and interviewed the key personnel involved in the management of the investigation, within both SOJP and Home Affairs as well as the two principal external consultants - Mr Grime and LGC, both of whom we discuss in some detail in this Report.


The information contained in the above link won't be to your liking - with what pejorative label are you going to assign to it - bearing in mind it is all a matter of record.!

Are you saying that review blackened Grime's character? I don't think it did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2021, 09:40:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 07:30:07 AM
Are you saying that review blackened Grime's character? I don't think it did.

The review was highly critical of Grime and his dog. Do you think hr might use it in his sales pitch fir his next job
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 07:30:07 AM
Are you saying that review blackened Grime's character? I don't think it did.

You are throwing slurs around willy-nilly with unsubstantiated accusations of "blackening" Grime's name.

I am giving you the fact of the matter and providing supporting evidence.

I wish you would up your game and desist from using innuendo to slur others as the simplest way of reinforcing your perennial bias.

So it has been and so it always was and so it will continue until the last sceptic draws the last breath - quite an extraordinary achievement when one considers the title of this thread and the investigations taking place centring on this one man crime wave.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 10:35:39 AM
You are throwing slurs around willy-nilly with unsubstantiated accusations of "blackening" Grime's name.

I am giving you the fact of the matter and providing supporting evidence.

I wish you would up your game and desist from using innuendo to slur others as the simplest way of reinforcing your perennial bias.

So it has been and so it always was and so it will continue until the last sceptic draws the last breath - quite an extraordinary achievement when one considers the title of this thread and the investigations taking place centring on this one man crime wave.

I just wish you would stop the aggressive posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
I just wish you would stop the aggressive posts.

You may find my posts "aggressive" ~ perhaps that may be in response to those of yours I judge to be insidious 🤡
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 11:42:00 AM
You may find my posts "aggressive" ~ perhaps that may be in response to those of yours I judge to be insidious 🤡

You can give your opinion without being aggressive, surely?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on December 27, 2021, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 01:28:52 PM
You can give your opinion without being aggressive, surely?

As a general rule I agree. There is no need for bad language or aggression when attempting to get a point across. Most members should know that by now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on December 27, 2021, 05:50:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 26, 2021, 11:48:13 PM
According to rumour, but did he show the video before or after he was hired? I think his reputation has remained intact despite efforts by some to blacken it.

There is no doubt that many attempts have been made over the years to undermine Grime's credibility as a CSI dog handler regardless of what choice terms are used. Certainly with headlines like "Bungled Jersey child abuse probe branded a £20million shambles", it was inevitable that some of the fallout would land on Grime. That said however, Grime and his dogs had many successes and contributed much to police investigations over the years.

In the McCann case, Grime and his dogs recorded several instances where clothing belonging to the McCanns returned a positive alert for what could have been cadaver scent. We know of course that it could very well have been one of many other substances that gave rise to the alert, the bottom line being that the dogs in question were not trained solely using human cadavers.

Grime was and indeed still is a target for McCann supporters to take aim at. Discrediting the dog alerts would discredit any evidence that the McCanns came into contact with a cadaver.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
Quote from: John on December 27, 2021, 05:50:20 PM
There is no doubt that many attempts have been made over the years to undermine Grime's credibility as a CSI dog handler regardless of what choice terms are used. Certainly with headlines like "Bungled Jersey child abuse probe branded a £20million shambles", it was inevitable that some of the fallout would land on Grime. That said however, Grime and his dogs had many successes and contributed much to police investigations over the years.
I think the evidence shows he had very few successes based on the length of his career
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 27, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
I think the evidence shows he had very few successes based on the length of his career

Compared to what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2021, 06:26:48 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 06:24:48 PM
Compared to what?

Compared to Johns statement he had many
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 27, 2021, 06:32:17 PM
Quote from: John on December 27, 2021, 05:50:20 PM
There is no doubt that many attempts have been made over the years to undermine Grime's credibility as a CSI dog handler regardless of what choice terms are used. Certainly with headlines like "Bungled Jersey child abuse probe branded a £20million shambles", it was inevitable that some of the fallout would land on Grime. That said however, Grime and his dogs had many successes and contributed much to police investigations over the years.

In the McCann case, Grime and his dogs recorded several instances where clothing belonging to the McCanns returned a positive alert for what could have been cadaver scent. We know of course that it could very well have been one of many other substances that gave rise to the alert, the bottom line being that the dogs in question were not trained solely using human cadavers.

Grime was and indeed still is a target for McCann supporters to take aim at. Discrediting the dog alerts would discredit any evidence that the McCanns came into contact with a cadaver.

Why should this be an issue with supporter?
After all, they KNOW that McCann are not involved, just as they know that sceptics will pay no attention to what they say.  8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2021, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: John on December 27, 2021, 05:50:20 PM
There is no doubt that many attempts have been made over the years to undermine Grime's credibility as a CSI dog handler regardless of what choice terms are used. Certainly with headlines like "Bungled Jersey child abuse probe branded a £20million shambles", it was inevitable that some of the fallout would land on Grime. That said however, Grime and his dogs had many successes and contributed much to police investigations over the years.

In the McCann case, Grime and his dogs recorded several instances where clothing belonging to the McCanns returned a positive alert for what could have been cadaver scent. We know of course that it could very well have been one of many other substances that gave rise to the alert, the bottom line being that the dogs in question were not trained solely using human cadavers.

Grime was and indeed still is a target for McCann supporters to take aim at. Discrediting the dog alerts would discredit any evidence that the McCanns came into contact with a cadaver.

All this, Grime being a target really is, rubbish
I'm interested in the truth and the credibility if the alerts is probably the most important  piece  of so called evidence Re the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on December 27, 2021, 06:44:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 27, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
I think the evidence shows he had very few successes based on the length of his career

On the other hand, Grime and Eddie had some exceptional successes which led to prosecutions which might otherwise not have happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2021, 06:49:00 PM
Quote from: John on December 27, 2021, 06:44:12 PM
On the other hand, Grime and Eddie had some exceptional successes which led to prosecutions which might otherwise not have happened.
How many John... Apart from a couple I can't think of any... Amaral thought it was, 200
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: John on December 27, 2021, 05:50:20 PM
There is no doubt that many attempts have been made over the years to undermine Grime's credibility as a CSI dog handler regardless of what choice terms are used. Certainly with headlines like "Bungled Jersey child abuse probe branded a £20million shambles", it was inevitable that some of the fallout would land on Grime. That said however, Grime and his dogs had many successes and contributed much to police investigations over the years.

In the McCann case, Grime and his dogs recorded several instances where clothing belonging to the McCanns returned a positive alert for what could have been cadaver scent. We know of course that it could very well have been one of many other substances that gave rise to the alert, the bottom line being that the dogs in question were not trained solely using human cadavers.

Grime was and indeed still is a target for McCann supporters to take aim at. Discrediting the dog alerts would discredit any evidence that the McCanns came into contact with a cadaver.

The Review conducted into Operation Rectangle went out of its way to be highly critical of Grime's influence.  Putting on record the observation that he appeared to have had "material influence on the nature of the investigation and particularly the nature of the forensic investigations and excavations at the HDLG site"
https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf

Nobody needs to of out of the way "discredit" the dog alerts.

The Policia Judiciaria did that back in 2008.

The States of Jersey followed suit in 2010.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 08:42:24 PM
Grime and his dogs were a nice little earner for SYP. EUR 1,000 (£850) per day plus flights, accomodation, subsistence and transport costs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 08:42:24 PM
Grime and his dogs were a nice little earner for SYP. EUR 1,000 (£850) per day plus flights, accomodation, subsistence and transport costs.
ƒ Recommendation #11: where SOJP utilise the services of a private contractor, in this case a specialist dog handler, then that person’s status and qualifications, and those of the dogs, should be verified.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 27, 2021, 09:04:47 PM
A recommendation is not a requirement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 08:50:32 PM
ƒ Recommendation #11: where SOJP utilise the services of a private contractor, in this case a specialist dog handler, then that person’s status and qualifications, and those of the dogs, should be verified.

I don't know the date when Grime went to Jersey, but his status and qualitications and those of his dogs couldn't have altered that much from when they were being hired out by SYP.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 27, 2021, 09:51:55 PM
I don't know the date when Grime went to Jersey, but his status and qualitications and those of his dogs couldn't have altered that much from when they were being hired out by SYP.

Grime's status will never change.

Unlike his dogs.
If the dogs' accredited training was not kept up to date they were considered "incompetent".  Eddie was considered incompetent at the time he was in Luz. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 06:35:38 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 27, 2021, 11:42:38 PM
Grime's status will never change.

Unlike his dogs.
If the dogs' accredited training was not kept up to date they were considered "incompetent".  Eddie was considered incompetent at the time he was in Luz.

Was ACPO accredication available to civilian dog teams?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 28, 2021, 09:04:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 06:35:38 AM
Was ACPO accredication available to civilian dog teams?

That is an interesting point you make.

For long and weary the argument was made by sceptics that Grime and his dogs were a bona fide police team when deployed to Luz.  Contrasting with the counter that Grime had retired and was therefore a civilian when in Luz.

Why it was an important argument for some escapes me - what I don't think was even contemplated because it was so absurd - is the fact that Eddie was considered to be incompetent when in Luz because it was an absurd consideration.

However your post raises the question which was raised apropos the prohibitively expensive deployment of the business to Jersey ~ of why far less expensive ACPO accredited police teams were not deployed or even asked to tender for the job in HDLG.

I imagine that if an organisation such as the police required a certain qualification from contractors that would be demanded.

Interestingly - as you pointed out in one of your responses to a post of mine - it was one of the recommendations which arose from the inquiry into the HDLG fiasco - that all such demands for qualification should be met and vigorously checked prior to the start of the job.  This resulted specifically from both dogs deployed by the private contractor being considered incompetent.
One throughout the deployment as it was in Luz - the other became so while in HDLG.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 28, 2021, 09:04:44 AM
That is an interesting point you make.

For long and weary the argument was made by sceptics that Grime and his dogs were a bona fide police team when deployed to Luz.  Contrasting with the counter that Grime had retired and was therefore a civilian when in Luz.

Why it was an important argument for some escapes me - what I don't think was even contemplated because it was so absurd - is the fact that Eddie was considered to be incompetent when in Luz because it was an absurd consideration.

However your post raises the question which was raised apropos the prohibitively expensive deployment of the business to Jersey ~ of why far less expensive ACPO accredited police teams were not deployed or even asked to tender for the job in HDLG.

I imagine that if an organisation such as the police required a certain qualification from contractors that would be demanded.

Interestingly - as you pointed out in one of your responses to a post of mine - it was one of the recommendations which arose from the inquiry into the HDLG fiasco - that all such demands for qualification should be met and vigorously checked prior to the start of the job.  This resulted specifically from both dogs deployed by the private contractor being considered incompetent.
One throughout the deployment as it was in Luz - the other became so while in HDLG.

I take it you don't know just what licencing was available to civilian dog teams. It's unlikely that ACPO licencing was available, imo, so the fact that the dogs were no longer licenced by ACPO isn't really something which could be used as a criticism.

Had Grime been retired when he went to Luz his time would have been included in the costs, but it wasn't, so he was still a serving police officer at that time.

The 'incompetent' label was applied to dog teams who were assessed for ACPO licencing and failed to pass. This never applied to Grime's dogs as their licencing ceased when they left the police service with their handler.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2021, 09:41:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 09:39:44 AM
I take it you don't know just what licencing was available to civilian dog teams. It's unlikely that ACPO licencing was available, imo, so the fact that the dogs were no longer licenced by ACPO isn't really something which could be used as a criticism.

Had Grime been retired when he went to Luz his time would have been included in the costs, but it wasn't, so he was still a serving police officer at that time.

The 'incompetent' label was applied to dog teams who were assessed for ACPO licencing and failed to pass. This never applied to Grime's dogs as their licencing ceased when they left the police service with their handler.

Grimes dogs alerts are not considered reliable by someone considered by some to be an expert in the field
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 09:51:10 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 28, 2021, 09:41:40 AM
Grimes dogs alerts are not considered reliable by someone considered by some to be an expert in the field

Is this person's identity a secret?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2021, 09:53:14 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 09:51:10 AM
Is this person's identity a secret?

no
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 28, 2021, 09:04:44 AM
That is an interesting point you make.

For long and weary the argument was made by sceptics that Grime and his dogs were a bona fide police team when deployed to Luz.  Contrasting with the counter that Grime had retired and was therefore a civilian when in Luz.

Why it was an important argument for some escapes me - what I don't think was even contemplated because it was so absurd - is the fact that Eddie was considered to be incompetent when in Luz because it was an absurd consideration.

However your post raises the question which was raised apropos the prohibitively expensive deployment of the business to Jersey ~ of why far less expensive ACPO accredited police teams were not deployed or even asked to tender for the job in HDLG.

I imagine that if an organisation such as the police required a certain qualification from contractors that would be demanded.

Interestingly - as you pointed out in one of your responses to a post of mine - it was one of the recommendations which arose from the inquiry into the HDLG fiasco - that all such demands for qualification should be met and vigorously checked prior to the start of the job.  This resulted specifically from both dogs deployed by the private contractor being considered incompetent.
One throughout the deployment as it was in Luz - the other became so while in HDLG.

Although the BDO report has been seen as critical of Grime, they themselves didn't see him as the offender.

"We emphasise here that our criticism is directed in the main not towards Mr Grime but towards those persons who thought it appropriate to retain the services of and to deploy such an expensive resource in this way." (page 40)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 28, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 09:39:44 AM
I take it you don't know just what licencing was available to civilian dog teams. It's unlikely that ACPO licencing was available, imo, so the fact that the dogs were no longer licenced by ACPO isn't really something which could be used as a criticism.

Had Grime been retired when he went to Luz his time would have been included in the costs, but it wasn't, so he was still a serving police officer at that time.

The 'incompetent' label was applied to dog teams who were assessed for ACPO licencing and failed to pass. This never applied to Grime's dogs as their licencing ceased when they left the police service with their handler.

You miss the point entirely, my dear, deliberately I am sure.

The part of the report into the debacle that was HDLG featuring the performance and expense of the Grime team was one huge criticism.
As already pointed out - the competence claimed by civilian contractors was recommended to be fully scrutinised as a direct result.

I think had a similar review been conducted regarding the deployment in PDL the recommendations might have been very similar.

By the way - unadulterated NONSENSE regarding the licence ceasing on retiral!
Grime is a trained dog handler for life.
The Review contains the information that Eddie had not been competent for seven months prior to the HDLG debacle (that included the time spent in Luz) but Keela was competent until her training lapsed while she was in Jersey.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2021, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Brietta on December 28, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
You miss the point entirely, my dear, deliberately I am sure.

The part of the report into the debacle that was HDLG featuring the performance and expense of the Grime team was one huge criticism.
As already pointed out - the competence claimed by civilian contractors was recommended to be fully scrutinised as a direct result.

I think had a similar review been conducted regarding the deployment in PDL the recommendations might have been very similar.

By the way - unadulterated NONSENSE regarding the licence ceasing on retiral!
Grime is a trained dog handler for life.
The Review contains the information that Eddie had not been competent for seven months prior to the HDLG debacle (that included the time spent in Luz) but Keela was competent until her training lapsed while she was in Jersey.

Eddie was not considered reliable ever... Based on my cite.  Gunit no longer seems interested in the expert who confirmed this... Piss up in a brewery comes to mind.
I'm fairly sure that Harrison felt the alerts unfairly implicated the McCann s and wanted to distance himself.  His idea wa s in it's infancy and the limitations and consequences of the alerts must have been a suprise to him.
Grime believed in his dogs almost infallibility ..he saw a  business opportunity using his perceived skills where he was the expert... The while episode wasva total cock up

All my opinion based in evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 28, 2021, 11:54:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on December 28, 2021, 11:24:35 AM
Eddie was not considered reliable ever... Based on my cite.  Gunit no longer seems interested in the expert who confirmed this... Piss up in a brewery comes to mind.
I'm fairly sure that Harrison felt the alerts unfairly implicated the McCann s and wanted to distance himself.  His idea wa s in it's infancy and the limitations and consequences of the alerts must have been a suprise to him.
Grime believed in his dogs almost infallibility ..he saw a  business opportunity using his perceived skills where he was the expert... The while episode wasva total cock up

All my opinion based in evidence

I think the fact that proper interpretation of the FSS results resulted in the inability to proceed with the process against the McCanns initiated by reliance on the dog intelligence, validates your opinion.

It was a horribly febrile investigation which went way off the rails the minute the police stopped searching for Madeleine and started looking for a patsy, which in my opinion was day one.

If they had just broadened their horizons to encompass those with the profile and opportunity to pull off the abduction of a child without leaving a trace the whole episode could have had a far different conclusion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 12:43:24 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 28, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
You miss the point entirely, my dear, deliberately I am sure.

The part of the report into the debacle that was HDLG featuring the performance and expense of the Grime team was one huge criticism.
As already pointed out - the competence claimed by civilian contractors was recommended to be fully scrutinised as a direct result.

I think had a similar review been conducted regarding the deployment in PDL the recommendations might have been very similar.

By the way - unadulterated NONSENSE regarding the licence ceasing on retiral!
Grime is a trained dog handler for life.
The Review contains the information that Eddie had not been competent for seven months prior to the HDLG debacle (that included the time spent in Luz) but Keela was competent until her training lapsed while she was in Jersey.

Naturally dogs cease to be assessed and licenced by ACPO once they are no longer police assets. That tells us nothing about their competence.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 28, 2021, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 12:43:24 PM
Naturally dogs cease to be assessed and licenced by ACPO once they are no longer police assets. That tells us nothing about their competence.
Once a dog ceases to be a police asset should it have any credibility whatsoever as far as use in solving crimes is concerned?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 28, 2021, 12:46:01 PM
Once a dog ceases to be a police asset should it have any credibility whatsoever as far as use in solving crimes is concerned?

That would depend on the dog and it's handler. The FBI and Police Scotland were happy to use Grime and his dogs after their retirement. Their use was productive too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2021, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 12:59:20 PM
That would depend on the dog and it's handler. The FBI and Police Scotland were happy to use Grime and his dogs after their retirement. Their use was productive too.

Grime testified in teh Lane case. Would it not be ironic if the true facts came to light...such as the quote Ive provide today...and lanes conviction was quashed based on the admission of the alerts...how productive would taht be. he has been used a couple of times in the US...not because he impressed the FBI but because he impressed one man..imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 28, 2021, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 28, 2021, 12:59:20 PM
That would depend on the dog and it's handler. The FBI and Police Scotland were happy to use Grime and his dogs after their retirement. Their use was productive too.
How do they assess the worth of a dog and its handler if they do not come under the umbrella of police assets? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 04, 2022, 12:57:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 25, 2021, 08:08:32 PM
Make of this what you will.

EXCLUSIVE: Scotland Yard 'detectives believe Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE': Bespoke Met Police unit is treating tragedy as a missing person case - despite German authorities insisting snatched girl is dead

Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann team has 'more open thinking' and is still treating her disappearance as a missing person's investigation – despite German prosecutors insisting she is dead.

Among other theories, the bespoke London unit of officers codenamed Operation Grange is still working on a possibility she may be alive.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10239367/Scotland-Yard-open-thinking-Madeleine-McCann-Germans-think-dead.html





Published on Christmas Day, by The Daily Mail. 

Thank you, Operation Grange, this felt like a Christmas present to me


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10239367/Scotland-Yard-open-thinking-Madeleine-McCann-Germans-think-dead.html

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Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann team has 'more open thinking' and is still treating her disappearance as a missing person's investigation – despite German prosecutors insisting she is dead.
Among other theories, the bespoke London unit of officers codenamed Operation Grange is still working on a possibility she may be alive.

Grange is still in an 'active' phase of their probe, using £350,000 from a special grant awarded by the Home Office until 2022 to exhaust all further enquiries.
It is in stark contrast to the German authorities who are certain convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner, 43, took and killed Maddie.

In almost monthly updates since Brueckner was first named in June 2020, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, who is leading that investigation, said police had enough evidence to charge him.
But a source confirmed to MailOnline: 'The Met Police's Operation Grange is still running this as a missing person's investigation.
'Clearly the Met have more open thinking than the German authorities have at the present.

'Madeleine's parents have always said if they are presented with hard proof she has died they will accept it.
Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007, from an apartment where the family were staying
 

Kate and Gerry McCann are still hoping one day they will see their daughter alive once more
 



Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has insisted Christian Brueckner abducted and killed her
'But the fact Operation Grange still exists and still gets funding shows the Met still thinks there is still work and investigation to be done.'
Police in Britain and Germany launched a renewed appeal for witnesses in June 2020 after disclosing they had a new suspect, who was later revealed to be Brueckner.
Mr Wolters went as far as holding a press conference where he addressed Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry over the air.
He insisted: 'We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.
'All I can do is ask for your patience.'

But claims German detectives had sent multiple notes to Madeleine's family were rubbished within days.
And the Met itself released a pointed statement correcting the allegations about the correspondence.
It said last year: 'The Met received one letter from the BKA on June 12, which was passed to the family.
[/snipped]


Operation Grange stress that they are open minded
OG believe that Madeleine is quite possibly still alive.  They refuse to endorse the statements of HCW, at this stage anyway. 

I prefer to endorse the several year long investigation of Scotland Yard to that of a relative newcomer.
HCW seems very sincere and may have been misled by Police colleagues.   I should point out that as far as I can see HCW is just an upper middle ranking prosecutor at the town of Brunswick (Braunschweig), as Amaral was an upper middle ranking Police Officer at the town of Portimao.    Both middle ranking Officers.

IMO, Amaral got it wrong and based on my investigations, which strongly point to Madeleine having been alive and apparently well on a video in 2012,  it seems to me that HCW also may have got it wrong.



As I have said before, imo, Brueckner has been set up by the elite masterminds behind Madeleines abduction to take the blame.   Run a trial which somehow convicts Brueckner of killing her ... and Madeleine will no longer be searched for.   This would be a very clever plot.
The elite masterminds would be off the hook!

IMO. Breuckner may have been involved in some way, as directed by the masterminds, but I believe that Breuckner is a victim, the scapegoat for the elite, mega rich masterminds who are raking the money in.

Furthermore I believe that Breuckner dare not finger anyone, because he fears the testicles sliced off, legs broken, toes cut off etc. torture treatment meted out to anyone that squeals. 
If I am correct and I acknowledge I might not be, then evil as he is, I can’t help feeling a bit sorry for Breuckner


I also feel extremely sorry for Madeleine and The Mccanns, cos if Breuckner should be wrongly found guilty, no one will carry on searching for Madeleine IMO.  What a clever ploy.

Madeleine will be lost forever.



Published on Christmas Day, by The Daily Mail. 

Thank you, Operation Grange, after all the sneering at me, this felt just like a Christmas present to me.  I hope that I helped you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 04, 2022, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 28, 2021, 01:10:16 PM
How do they assess the worth of a dog and its handler if they do not come under the umbrella of police assets?

It's up to those who hire a contractor to satisfy themselves that they are suitably qualified. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 04, 2022, 02:09:37 PM
Operation Grange stress that they are open minded
OG believe that Madeleine is quite possibly still alive.  They refuse to endorse the statements of HCW, at this stage anyway.

I prefer to endorse the several year long investigation of Scotland Yard to that of a relative newcomer.
HCW seems very sincere and may have been misled by Police colleagues.   I should point out that as far as I can see HCW is just an upper middle ranking prosecutor at the town of Brunswick (Braunschweig), as Amaral was an upper middle ranking Police Officer at the town of Portimao.    Both middle ranking Officers.

IMO, Amaral got it wrong and based on my investigations, which strongly point to Madeleine having been alive and apparently well on a video in 2012,  it seems to me that HCW also may have got it wrong.



As I have said before, imo, Brueckner has been set up by the elite masterminds behind Madeleines abduction to take the blame.   Run a trial which somehow convicts Brueckner of killing her ... and Madeleine will no longer be searched for.   This would be a very clever plot.
The elite masterminds would be off the hook!

IMO. Breuckner may have been involved in some way, as directed by the masterminds, but I believe that Breuckner is a victim, the scapegoat for the elite, mega rich masterminds who are raking the money in.

Furthermore I believe that Breuckner dare not finger anyone, because he fears the testicles sliced off, legs broken, toes cut off etc. torture treatment meted out to anyone that squeals.
If I am correct and I acknowledge I might not be, then evil as he is, I can’t help feeling a bit sorry for Breuckner


I also feel extremely sorry for Madeleine and The Mccanns, cos if Breuckner should be wrongly found guilty, no one will carry on searching for Madeleine IMO.  What a clever ploy.

Madeleine will be lost forever.



@Sadie, I don't share your view on what happened to Madeleine, but I do agree on some of  your points of view  regarding CB ,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 05, 2022, 07:42:00 PM
Some on here claim that in order to convict CB the Germans will have to prove how he  was able to commit the crime.  Thanks to Websleuths for highlighing the case of Danielle Van Dam, particularly this bit

“One witness testified that she had left a side door in the garage unlocked, and prosecutor Jeff Dusek theorized that Westerfield might have entered this way; he emphasized, however, that the prosecution did not have the burden to demonstrate how the kidnapping was done, only that it was done”.
 which is what I have always argued.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Danielle_van_Dam
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 05, 2022, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 05, 2022, 07:42:00 PM
Some on here claim that in order to convict CB the Germans will have to prove how he  was able to commit the crime.  Thanks to Websleuths for highlighing the case of Danielle Van Dam, particularly this bit

“One witness testified that she had left a side door in the garage unlocked, and prosecutor Jeff Dusek theorized that Westerfield might have entered this way; he emphasized, however, that the prosecution did not have the burden to demonstrate how the kidnapping was done, only that it was done”.
 which is what I have always argued.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Danielle_van_Dam
... the prosecution did not have the burden to demonstrate how the kidnapping was done, only that it was done

Pure logic that one.

I doubt if the perpetrator would ever be bothered to tell us how Madeleine was removed from the apartment ~ and anyway who in their right mind would place the slightest reliance on anything such a person would say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 05, 2022, 08:53:09 PM

If Breuckner is ever convicted of the murder of Madeleine he might decide to talk after all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 06, 2022, 12:10:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 05, 2022, 08:48:05 PM
... the prosecution did not have the burden to demonstrate how the kidnapping was done, only that it was done

Pure logic that one.

I doubt if the perpetrator would ever be bothered to tell us how Madeleine was removed from the apartment ~ and anyway who in their right mind would place the slightest reliance on anything such a person would say.
Guys, guys, at least try to use a case that is remotely comparable:
The forensic evidence presented by the prosecution included Danielle's blood stains on Westerfield's jacket and on the floor of his motor home, Danielle's fingerprints in the motor home, hairs from the van Dam family dog on Westerfield's motor home bed comforter, hairs consistent with Danielle's on the sheet of his bed, and matching acrylic fibers found on Danielle's body and in Westerfield's home, among other evidence

...in other words, the prosecution didn't have to demonstrate how he abducted her, the forensic evidence alone was overwhelming, notwithstanding all of the other evidence compiled. If there had been an absence of forensics, then they would almost certainly have had to at least posit a plausible hypothesis as to how he got her out. But again, this is a poor choice of case to use as an example, as really the facts speak for themselves - the alarm, the proximity to their house, his camper van, etc, etc.

But an interesting read that, nonetheless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 06, 2022, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 05, 2022, 08:53:09 PM
If Breuckner is ever convicted of the murder of Madeleine he might decide to talk after all.

Do you know what Eleanor - I think it is perfectly possible there may be a jostling queue of individuals trying to get their oar in before someone beats them to it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 06, 2022, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 05, 2022, 08:53:09 PM
If Breuckner is ever convicted of the murder of Madeleine he might decide to talk after all.
He won't say a word until all legal avenues have been exhausted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 06, 2022, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: The General on January 06, 2022, 12:35:26 PM
He won't say a word until all legal avenues have been exhausted.

Then again, he might be like Ian Brady and take many of his secrets (whatever they might be) to the grave.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 06, 2022, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 06, 2022, 12:38:06 PM
Then again, he might be like Ian Brady and take many of his secrets (whatever they might be) to the grave.
Well if he is involved, and he fails on all appeals (or equivalent), let's hope he does the right thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 06, 2022, 12:45:28 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 05, 2022, 08:53:09 PM
If Breuckner is ever convicted of the murder of Madeleine he might decide to talk after all.

He has spoken.

He wrote a letter to the media saying he didn't do it & drew cartoons mocking the prosecutor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2022, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: The General on January 06, 2022, 12:42:41 PM
Well if he is involved, and he fails on all appeals (or equivalent), let's hope he does the right thing.

He might want to make a clean breast of things because if new crimes keep coming to light he will effectively get consecutive sentenced rather than concurrent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 06, 2022, 01:20:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 06, 2022, 12:38:06 PM
Then again, he might be like Ian Brady and take many of his secrets (whatever they might be) to the grave.

There is a definite parallel with Brueckner.

I'm long enough in the tooth to remember when Brady became a bit of a sceptic icon too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 06, 2022, 01:28:50 PM
Quote from: The General on January 06, 2022, 12:10:45 PM
Guys, guys, at least try to use a case that is remotely comparable:
The forensic evidence presented by the prosecution included Danielle's blood stains on Westerfield's jacket and on the floor of his motor home, Danielle's fingerprints in the motor home, hairs from the van Dam family dog on Westerfield's motor home bed comforter, hairs consistent with Danielle's on the sheet of his bed, and matching acrylic fibers found on Danielle's body and in Westerfield's home, among other evidence

...in other words, the prosecution didn't have to demonstrate how he abducted her, the forensic evidence alone was overwhelming, notwithstanding all of the other evidence compiled. If there had been an absence of forensics, then they would almost certainly have had to at least posit a plausible hypothesis as to how he got her out. But again, this is a poor choice of case to use as an example, as really the facts speak for themselves - the alarm, the proximity to their house, his camper van, etc, etc.

But an interesting read that, nonetheless.
The case will not come to trial without strong evidence to convict.  At the moment we don;t know if there is any or if there is what it might be, so the comparison remains quite valid.  If the case rested solely or mainly on the prosecution putting forward a plausible scenario of how he may have committed the crime but without any sort of strong supporting evidence then they may as well not bother trying him at all. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 06, 2022, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 06, 2022, 01:28:50 PM
The case will not come to trial without strong evidence to convict.  At the moment we don;t know if there is any or if there is what it might be, so the comparison remains quite valid.  If the case rested solely or mainly on the prosecution putting forward a plausible scenario of how he may have committed the crime but without any sort of strong supporting evidence then they may as well not bother trying him at all.
HCW has stated that there is a complete absence of forensic evidence, so not eggs with eggs.
With no body, which the stated case also had, and a lack of forensics, then it may well be crucial for the prosecution to show how they think CB got her out, got her away and what was likely to happen next (although if he did do it, then the means of access and egress were pretty obvious)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2022, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: The General on January 06, 2022, 01:39:55 PM
HCW has stated that there is a complete absence of forensic evidence, so not eggs with eggs.
With no body, which the stated case also had, and a lack of forensics, then it may well be crucial for the prosecution to show how they think CB got her out, got her away and what was likely to happen next (although if he did do it, then the means of access and egress were pretty obvious)

The most important word in your post is... may
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 06, 2022, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 06, 2022, 01:41:46 PM
The most important word in your post is... may
That's a caveat inserted for the pedants.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 06, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: The General on January 06, 2022, 01:39:55 PM
HCW has stated that there is a complete absence of forensic evidence, so not eggs with eggs.
With no body, which the stated case also had, and a lack of forensics, then it may well be crucial for the prosecution to show how they think CB got her out, got her away and what was likely to happen next (although if he did do it, then the means of access and egress were pretty obvious)
Let's say (for argument's sake) that the only evidence is a video of him abusing Madeleine in his camper van.  Would it be necessary to demonstrate how he got her out of Apartment 5a in order to convict him of (at a minimum) abduction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2022, 01:54:18 PM
Quote from: The General on January 06, 2022, 01:47:33 PM
That's a caveat inserted for the pedants.

I don't mind being referred to as, a pedant... To me it's someone who has, a critical eye for detail.
Amaral thinks they have to prove how abduction took place.. What a dunce
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 06, 2022, 01:57:16 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 06, 2022, 12:33:32 PM
Do you know what Eleanor - I think it is perfectly possible there may be a jostling queue of individuals trying to get their oar in before someone beats them to it.

I think Breuckner had an accomplice involved in the abduction to whom Breuckner could pass the buck, himself not being the last person to see Madeleine alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 06, 2022, 02:03:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 06, 2022, 01:57:16 PM
I think Breuckner had an accomplice involved in the abduction to whom Breuckner could pass the buck, himself not being the last person to see Madeleine alive.

The key here is the friends of CB who it seems are willing to dob him in it, easy isn't it, he's behind bars Wolters says its him what better way than to keep putting the boot in, it'll come out if it ever reaches court, which isn't likely imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 06, 2022, 02:05:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 06, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Let's say (for argument's sake) that the only evidence is a video of him abusing Madeleine in his camper van.  Would it be necessary to demonstrate how he got her out of Apartment 5a in order to convict him of (at a minimum) abduction?
Isn't that my argument in a nutshell? In the case quoted I agreed that it wasn't necessary as the evidence was overwhelming - and I mean a total slam dunk by the way. The prosecution had no requirement to even go there, as 'reasonable doubt' was totally dispelled.
If we take your example, the same would apply. However there may still be a need to put some meat on the bones of how he disposed of her / killed her, if they were going for a murder charge, otherwise it could be argued that it was proven unequivocally that he abducted her, but not that he killed her (although I would venture that it's hardly a stretch).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 06, 2022, 02:09:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 06, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Let's say (for argument's sake) that the only evidence is a video of him abusing Madeleine in his camper van.  Would it be necessary to demonstrate how he got her out of Apartment 5a in order to convict him of (at a minimum) abduction?

Roll the argument on, did he take her out of 5a ?, some else could then be at least an accessory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 06, 2022, 03:14:53 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 06, 2022, 02:09:27 PM
Roll the argument on, did he take her out of 5a ?, some else could then be at least an accessory.
Immaterial to securing a conviction of CB for abduction.  There would be no need to prove HOW only that he DID.  You could apply the "might have had an accessory" to the case I quoted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 06, 2022, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 06, 2022, 03:14:53 PM
Immaterial to securing a conviction of CB for abduction.  There would be no need to prove HOW only that he DID.  You could apply the "might have had an accessory" to the case I quoted.
For abduction perhaps.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 06, 2022, 03:21:24 PM
Quote from: The General on January 06, 2022, 02:05:18 PM
Isn't that my argument in a nutshell? In the case quoted I agreed that it wasn't necessary as the evidence was overwhelming - and I mean a total slam dunk by the way. The prosecution had no requirement to even go there, as 'reasonable doubt' was totally dispelled.
If we take your example, the same would apply. However there may still be a need to put some meat on the bones of how he disposed of her / killed her, if they were going for a murder charge, otherwise it could be argued that it was proven unequivocally that he abducted her, but not that he killed her (although I would venture that it's hardly a stretch).
So you now agree then that as we don't know what the evidence is against Bruckner that my point stands and the comparison with the case quoted could be considered valid?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 06, 2022, 03:30:14 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 06, 2022, 03:21:24 PM
So you now agree then that as we don't know what the evidence is against Bruckner that my point stands and the comparison with the case quoted could be considered valid?
No. The cases are in no way comparable. As I stated, and I suppose will do again, we know HCW has stated that there is no forensic evidence - none. The case quoted had a veritable mountain of forensic evidence, so much so that the prosecutor didn't even need to explain 'how' - as clear cut a case as it gets probably.
HCW may well have to show 'how', as the evidence he will have will be almost entirely, if not completely, circumstantial.
The only parallels are that they involve a male suspect and a female child victim. Evidentially - well, I suppose whatever CB is charged with, if he's ever charged, will clear that up. There's phone records I suppose, albeit technology has moved on now and GPS on phones now can pinpoint the movements of a suspect to within a few feet, whereas in 2007 - a few thousand square feet with some decent triangulation data.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 06, 2022, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: The General on January 06, 2022, 03:30:14 PM
No. The cases are in no way comparable. As I stated, and I suppose will do again, we know HCW has stated that there is no forensic evidence - none. The case quoted had a veritable mountain of forensic evidence, so much so that the prosecutor didn't even need to explain 'how' - as clear cut a case as it gets probably.
HCW may well have to show 'how', as the evidence he will have will be almost entirely, if not completely, circumstantial.
The only parallels are that they involve a male suspect and a female child victim. Evidentially - well, I suppose whatever CB is charged with, if he's ever charged, will clear that up. There's phone records I suppose, albeit technology has moved on now and GPS on phones now can pinpoint the movements of a suspect to within a few feet, whereas in 2007 - a few thousand square feet with some decent triangulation data.
OK have it your way, I really can't be bothered to argue the toss anymore.  Of course you know best as usual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 06, 2022, 04:13:43 PM
A case in which a young girl is abducted from her bedroom at night by a murderous paedo (who owned  a camper van) who leaves no evidence at the scene is obviously in no way comparable to the crimes HCW alleges of CB, what was I thinking?  Idiot *slams head in door repeatedly*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on January 17, 2022, 05:41:16 PM
New German documentary
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2022/01/17/exclusive-new-madeleine-clues-linking-german-paedophile-handed-to-police-from-hard-hitting-tv-documentary/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 17, 2022, 06:56:35 PM
Quote from: misty on January 17, 2022, 05:41:16 PM
New German documentary
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2022/01/17/exclusive-new-madeleine-clues-linking-german-paedophile-handed-to-police-from-hard-hitting-tv-documentary/

The documentary makers claim to be able to prove Brueckner was no more than five minutes away from the Ocean Club on the night Madeleine disappeared.

They have given all the information they gathered to Wolters.  But in my opinion they won't be telling him anything he didn't already know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 17, 2022, 07:01:56 PM
So the range covered by the mobile phone mast, according to this was 2.5 km. Clearly the mobile phone allegedly belonging to CB was not able to be placed near 5A as some of the media claimed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 17, 2022, 07:19:15 PM
Nothing new:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what_16.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-what_16.html)

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-murder-of-madeleine-mccann-why.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-murder-of-madeleine-mccann-why.html)

Jutta had asked me about additional info I cannot share by now.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 17, 2022, 07:24:09 PM
I had written in July 2020:

"The call demonstrates that the user who received the call was in the zone of Praia da Luz at the time, and that it was possible for this person to walk to Apartment 5A, the primary crime scene, reaching it between 21:10 and 22:00."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 17, 2022, 07:27:52 PM
In a recent post gunit suggested it was only me who thought the concrete evidence could be photographic... Now we have Heri confirming that it could well be the case. In fact Heri seems to have come to exactly the same conclusions as I have.. ie... The Germans have solved the case. Great minds look at the evidence.. Lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 17, 2022, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 17, 2022, 07:01:56 PM
So the range covered by the mobile phone mast, according to this was 2.5 km. Clearly the mobile phone allegedly belonging to CB was not able to be placed near 5A as some of the media claimed.
that’s a five minute car ride away so still pretty near.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 17, 2022, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 17, 2022, 07:01:56 PM
So the range covered by the mobile phone mast, according to this was 2.5 km. Clearly the mobile phone allegedly belonging to CB was not able to be placed near 5A as some of the media claimed.

I think you will find there's a lot more important evidence than the phone call. You talk about experts.. Heri has  PhD in criminology... Perhaps you should listen to him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 17, 2022, 07:46:30 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 17, 2022, 07:24:09 PM
I had written in July 2020:

"The call demonstrates that the user who received the call was in the zone of Praia da Luz at the time, and that it was possible for this person to walk to Apartment 5A, the primary crime scene, reaching it between 21:10 and 22:00."

What is meant by "the zone of Praia da Luz"? The area covered by a phone mast can be between 2 and 30 miles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 17, 2022, 08:04:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 17, 2022, 07:46:30 PM
What is meant by "the zone of Praia da Luz"? The area covered by a phone mast can be between 2 and 30 miles.

There were other Vodafone masts that could have picked up the call if the mobile phone were outside PdL. So the caller was in PdL zone, no more than 2 or 3 km from the PdL center mast.

I had asked HCW on some aspects of the case, but he kindly refused to answer, so my opinion by now is:

1. The mobile phone was in PdL, but we do not know how close to 5A it was at any moment.
2. The mobile phone was probably in CB hands, but we are not 100% sure.
3. After 14 years, new witnesses' accounts are not reliable.

More solid evidence is needed.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 17, 2022, 08:23:37 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 17, 2022, 08:04:09 PM
There were other Vodafone masts that could have picked up the call if the mobile phone were outside PdL. So the caller was in PdL zone, no more than 2 or 3 km from the PdL center mast.

I had asked HCW on some aspects of the case, but he kindly refused to answer, so my opinion by now is:

1. The mobile phone was in PdL, but we do not know how close to 5A it was at any moment.
2. The mobile phone was probably in CB hands, but we are not 100% sure.
3. After 14 years, new witnesses' accounts are not reliable.

More solid evidence is needed.

I don't think any witness accounts can be relied on after the time which has gone by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 17, 2022, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 17, 2022, 08:23:37 PM
I don't think any witness accounts can be relied on after the time which has gone by.

Didn't you say you would like the mccanns renterviewed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 17, 2022, 09:08:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 17, 2022, 08:42:48 PM
Didn't you say you would like the mccanns renterviewed

I don't know, did I? I think there's a difference between interviewing someone for the first time after years have gone by and re-interviewing those who were interviewed at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 17, 2022, 09:15:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 17, 2022, 09:08:35 PM
I don't know, did I? I think there's a difference between interviewing someone for the first time after years have gone by and re-interviewing those who were interviewed at the time.

It all depends on what knowledge the witness has
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 18, 2022, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 17, 2022, 08:04:09 PM
There were other Vodafone masts that could have picked up the call if the mobile phone were outside PdL. So the caller was in PdL zone, no more than 2 or 3 km from the PdL center mast.

I had asked HCW on some aspects of the case, but he kindly refused to answer, so my opinion by now is:

1. The mobile phone was in PdL, but we do not know how close to 5A it was at any moment.
2. The mobile phone was probably in CB hands, but we are not 100% sure.
3. After 14 years, new witnesses' accounts are not reliable.

More solid evidence is needed.

Witness statements from years ago.. May or May not be reliable...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 18, 2022, 10:31:31 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 18, 2022, 08:59:00 AM
Witness statements from years ago.. May or May not be reliable...

Of course Davel, but it is very difficult to remember details of an event which occurred 14 years ago, and that was not important for you at the moment (if it would have been important, why did you remain silent for such a long time?).

Even if the new statement may be reliable, how do you assess its reliability?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 18, 2022, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 18, 2022, 10:31:31 AM
Of course Davel, but it is very difficult to remember details of an event which occurred 14 years ago, and that was not important for you at the moment (if it would have been important, why did you remain silent for such a long time?).

Even if the new statement may be reliable, how do you assess its reliability?

I would say every statement needs to be assessed on its merits. You can't really say no statement is reliable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 18, 2022, 10:55:14 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 18, 2022, 10:49:18 AM
I would say every statement needs to be assessed on its merits. You can't really say no statement is reliable
If you can't corroborate a statement it's just a statement and its evidential value decreases exponentially.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 18, 2022, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 10:55:14 AM
If you can't corroborate a statement it's just a statement and its evidential value decreases exponentially.
What if it's a confession?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 18, 2022, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 10:55:14 AM
If you can't corroborate a statement it's just a statement and its evidential value decreases exponentially.

See.. Every statement needs to be assessed on its merits
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 18, 2022, 11:20:27 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 18, 2022, 10:56:43 AM
What if it's a confession?
Good question. Still needs corroborating for veracity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 18, 2022, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 11:20:27 AM
Good question. Still needs corroborating for veracity.
tell that to the PJ who failed to get any corroborating forensic evidence in the Cipriano case then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 18, 2022, 12:05:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 18, 2022, 11:34:44 AM
tell that to the PJ who failed to get any corroborating forensic evidence in the Cipriano case then.

So which of the Cipriano's versions do you believe?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 18, 2022, 11:34:44 AM
tell that to the PJ who failed to get any corroborating forensic evidence in the Cipriano case then.
They got plenty of corroborating evidence. So much so that they secured a conviction.
See how that works?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 18, 2022, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:07:45 PM
They got plenty of corroborating evidence. So much so that they secured a conviction.
See how that works?
No, frankly.  What was this corroborating evidence?  You mean like the blood in the fridge that was never tested?  The sperm on the knickers that didn't belong to Joao?  What exactly? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 18, 2022, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:07:45 PM
They got plenty of corroborating evidence. So much so that they secured a conviction.
See how that works?

Not in Portugal it doesn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 18, 2022, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:07:45 PM
They got plenty of corroborating evidence. So much so that they secured a conviction.
See how that works?

Doesn't mean she isn't innocent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 18, 2022, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 18, 2022, 12:12:17 PM
Doesn't mean she isn't innocent

Just her?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 18, 2022, 12:12:17 PM
Doesn't mean she isn't innocent
Hardly the point. She's been found guilty and, clearly, the witness statements were corroborated to their satisfaction - which was the point that I made, but you tried to 'strawman' it.
Besides, she isn't innocent, and that's not even opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 18, 2022, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:19:27 PM
Hardly the point. She's been found guilty and, clearly, the witness statements were corroborated to their satisfaction - which was the point that I made, but you tried to 'strawman' it.
Besides, she isn't innocent, and that's not even opinion.
Clearly you have absolute faith in the Portuguese justice system - the question is - why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:24:50 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 18, 2022, 12:23:29 PM
Clearly you have absolute faith in the Portuguese justice system - the question is - why?
The data set you're using to reach that conclusion is too small.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 18, 2022, 12:31:33 PM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:19:27 PM
Hardly the point. She's been found guilty and, clearly, the witness statements were corroborated to their satisfaction - which was the point that I made, but you tried to 'strawman' it.
Besides, she isn't innocent, and that's not even opinion.

She may be..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:33:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 18, 2022, 12:31:33 PM
She may be..
One armed man?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 18, 2022, 12:37:18 PM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:24:50 PM
The data set you're using to reach that conclusion is too small.
I reckon I have more than enough data to reach the conclusion that despite the torture and despite the lack of rigour in collecting evidence in this case, and despite the absence of a body and despite the short length of the trial (just 3 days) and despite the fact that several of the police investigating had or went on to receive convictions that you have absolute faith in the Portuguese justice system in delivering justice in this case and I just wondered why, again. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:52:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 18, 2022, 12:37:18 PM
I reckon I have more than enough data to reach the conclusion that despite the torture and despite the lack of rigour in collecting evidence in this case, and despite the absence of a body and despite the short length of the trial (just 3 days) and despite the fact that several of the police investigating had or went on to receive convictions that you have absolute faith in the Portuguese justice system in delivering justice in this case and I just wondered why, again.
I didn't read the first bit, but to answer the question, I don't.
Again, due to your lack of data, your conclusion is flawed. I don't even have complete faith in the British system, never mind the Portuguese system.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 18, 2022, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:52:03 PM
I didn't read the first bit, but to answer the question, I don't.
Again, due to your lack of data, your conclusion is flawed. I don't even have complete faith in the British system, never mind the Portuguese system.
Why didn’t you read the first bit?  I think you did really, you just prefer not to publicly face up to the facts that this was very obviously a botched investigation and an unsafe conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 18, 2022, 01:38:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 18, 2022, 01:35:15 PM
Why didn’t you read the first bit?  I think you did really, you just prefer not to publicly face up to the facts that this was very obviously a botched investigation and an unsafe conviction.

Why isn't Joana's mother doing anything about it then?

If she finds her daughter she'd prove her innocence, with the small added bonus of actually finding her precious missing daughter.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 18, 2022, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 18, 2022, 01:38:25 PM
Why isn't Joana's mother doing anything about it then?

If she finds her daughter she'd prove her innocence, with the small added bonus of actually finding her precious missing daughter.




I'm sure there's a very, very, in fact an only logical & plausible explanation for this, which VS is sure of & in my stupidity I'm simply oblivious to, but she's unwilling to share the explanation because I'm a troll & definitely not because there isn't one really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 18, 2022, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 18, 2022, 01:38:25 PM
Why isn't Joana's mother doing anything about it then?

If she finds her daughter she'd prove her innocence, with the small added bonus of actually finding her precious missing daughter.
It's a valid point. If she finds evidence of the one-armed man / traffickers / paedo / the well she fell down, then that would go a long way to exoneration.
But no, she's at best accessory to her own daughter being brutally murdered. And she's being defended to the hilt by her acolytes here.
May as well set up a new cult guys, go the whole hog.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 18, 2022, 03:01:54 PM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 02:53:03 PM
It's a valid point. If she finds evidence of the one-armed man / traffickers / paedo / the well she fell down, then that would go a long way to exoneration.
But no, she's at best accessory to her own daughter being brutally murdered. And she's being defended to the hilt by her acolytes here.
May as well set up a new cult guys, go the whole hog.
How do you know what Joana's mother is or isn't doing out of interest?  Is she contractually obliged to inform you of all her attempts to find her daughter? Just curious.
What some people struggle to get into their thick heads is that it is possible to hold the view that a conviction is unsafe without necessarily having any firm view one way or the other about a person's guilt or innocence, nor does it mean that one is an acolyte or devotee of said convicted person. 

How about a grown up conversation without you resorting to this sort of shite The General?

ETA: Offer rescinded, on the grounds of preserving my mental health. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 18, 2022, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 02:53:03 PM
It's a valid point. If she finds evidence of the one-armed man / traffickers / paedo / the well she fell down, then that would go a long way to exoneration.
But no, she's at best accessory to her own daughter being brutally murdered. And she's being defended to the hilt by her acolytes here.
May as well set up a new cult guys, go the whole hog.

Having looked at the facts I think she may well be innocent.. I won't bother going into detail why. What's wrong with that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 18, 2022, 03:20:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 18, 2022, 03:01:54 PM
How do you know what Joana's mother is or isn't doing out of interest?  Is she contractually obliged to inform you of all her attempts to find her daughter? Just curious.
What some people struggle to get into their thick heads is that it is possible to hold the view that a conviction is unsafe without necessarily having any firm view one way or the other about a person's guilt or innocence, nor does it mean that one is an acolyte or devotee of said convicted person. 

How about a grown up conversation without you resorting to this sort of shite The General?

She isn't making any effort to find her abducted daughter.

Certainly no evidence of her searching to be found in any media reports I've seen.

I dunno, maybe she is out looking for her every day but she doesn't want anyone else helping.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 18, 2022, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: The General on January 18, 2022, 12:52:03 PM
I didn't read the first bit, but to answer the question, I don't.
Again, due to your lack of data, your conclusion is flawed. I don't even have complete faith in the British system, never mind the Portuguese system.

The Germans have successfully prosecuted one Portuguese case and there are 4 more in the pipeline against CB.
I think that's enough data to ask questions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 18, 2022, 03:26:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 18, 2022, 03:14:42 PM
Having looked at the facts I think she may well be innocent.. I won't bother going into detail why. What's wrong with that
Crack on. It's a futile pursuit.
The reason Netflix / Amazon, et al haven't come knocking is probably due to the lack of intrigue, given the guilty verdicts, and the fact that if they interviewed Joao, he'd just tell them how it all went down in the exactly the same way.
Difficult to market a mini-series with no mystery, that's what gets 'em watching.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 18, 2022, 03:29:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 18, 2022, 03:22:30 PM
The Germans have successfully prosecuted one Portuguese case and there are 4 more in the pipeline against CB.
I think that's enough data to ask questions
No, I was asked how I felt about the entire Portuguese judicial system, not a few cases. So you've invoked a strawman once again, Davel.
At least try to keep examples comparable.

Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 18, 2022, 12:23:29 PM
Clearly you have absolute faith in the Portuguese justice system - the question is - why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 19, 2022, 07:28:13 PM
  the Germans position October 2021


“It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.

“But it’s not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.

“When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.

“That’s why we said we’ll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I’m not saying that what we have is insufficient now. But he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands.”

“It could have gone better. Of course we hoped we’d get such good tip-offs that the investigation might have already ended. But the case is progressing.”

“We’ve found no evidence to clear Mr Brueckner of suspicion. Everything we’ve found fits in the picture. We’re perhaps halfway through.”

“What takes one week in Germany can take six months in Portugal. I think the interest in the case in Portugal is just not that big, because no Portuguese person is involved. Also it does not shine a particularly good light on the Portuguese police, as they had totally different suspects.

“I think they would prefer to be left in peace."

“The co-operation with Britain is certainly notably better.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 21, 2022, 10:14:43 AM
The seven mysteries, some where in there the truth might lie, but there again.



MADDIE MYSTERIES Seven mysteries surrounding Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B from ‘shock evidence’ to bombshell ‘alibi’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17388796/madeleine-mccann-seven-mysteries-christian-b/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 23, 2022, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html)

Re your last paragraph - what do you base this on ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 01:14:59 PM

Where was Brueckner's DNA likely to be?

He obviously wore gloves because his prints weren't found on either the patio door or window.

So how & where do we suppose Brueckner might have shed his DNA in 5a?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 01:21:49 PM

5a should have been sealed in a vacuum, with every square millimetre of it's surfaces forensically tested.

Anything less is police incompetence.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 23, 2022, 02:15:07 PM
The Portuguese were used to wrapping up cases without the need for going to all the trouble of collecting forensics samples and DNA testing - look at the Cipriano case for example.  Easily solved using intimidation, torture and a couple of ashtrays.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 02:21:45 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 23, 2022, 02:15:07 PM
The Portuguese were used to wrapping up cases without the need for going to all the trouble of collecting forensics samples and DNA testing - look at the Cipriano case for example.  Easily solved using intimidation, torture and a couple of ashtrays.

OK, so where was Brueckner's DNA likely to be found, IYO, bearing in mind he left no prints on the window he opened?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2022, 02:25:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 23, 2022, 02:15:07 PM
The Portuguese were used to wrapping up cases without the need for going to all the trouble of collecting forensics samples and DNA testing - look at the Cipriano case for example.  Easily solved using intimidation, torture and a couple of ashtrays.

I shudder to think for how long The PJ got away with this.  So sad to think that it won't happen again because of the disappearance of Madeleine.

They truly wouldn't dare now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 02:32:18 PM

How's the search for Joana going?

Still not seeing much effort being made on behalf of the innocent parties.

Here's a link to Go Fund Me for members interested in overturning the conviction of Joana's innocent relatives & funding the search for Joana.


Justice for the Ciprianos

https://www.gofundme.com/create/fundraiser/type
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2022, 02:47:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 02:32:18 PM
How's the search for Joana going?

Still not seeing much effort being made on behalf of the innocent parties.

Here's a link to Go Fund Me for members interested in overturning the conviction of Joana's innocent relatives & funding the search for Joana.


Justice for the Ciprianos

https://www.gofundme.com/create/fundraiser/type

If you wanted my Post Code you only had to ask.

It's 56310 Melrand.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 23, 2022, 02:53:23 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html)

If CB lifted Maddie from her bed it's quite possible that his dna would be on the bedclothes.... Unfortunately the bedclothes were not fully tested before being sent to the laundry
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 23, 2022, 02:47:06 PM
If you wanted my Post Code you only had to ask.

It's 56310 Melrand.

You claimed to be scared witless that Brueckner might ever be released.

Even though the actual chances of being his victim are one in many million.

Yet, you give out your personal details to strangers?

I can only conclude you intend on reducing the odds.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 23, 2022, 02:53:23 PM
If CB lifted Maddie from her bed it's quite possible that his dna would be on the bedclothes.... Unfortunately the bedclothes were not fully tested before being sent to the laundry

But he had gloves on?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2022, 02:59:15 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 02:54:53 PM
You claimed to be scared witless that Brueckner might ever be released.

Even though the actual chances of being his victim are one in many million.

Yet, you give out your personal details to strangers?

I can only conclude you intend on reducing the odds.

I am not afraid of anyone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 23, 2022, 03:07:08 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html)
It's clear the BKA have more evidence than they have revealed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 23, 2022, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 23, 2022, 03:07:08 PM
It's clear the PJ have more evidence than they have revealed
The PJ or the BKA?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 23, 2022, 04:00:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 23, 2022, 02:53:23 PM
If CB lifted Maddie from her bed it's quite possible that his dna would be on the bedclothes.... Unfortunately the bedclothes were not fully tested before being sent to the laundry
Yes, also the hair found on and around her bed that the PJ documented.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html)

According to my source, the DNA I'm talking about has nothing to do with hair.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 23, 2022, 05:07:51 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 04:49:27 PM
According to my source, the DNA I'm talking about has nothing to do with hair.
Is it perhaps the saliva sample on her pillow. Heri?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 05:32:36 PM

The only witness to a phase of the crime was Jane Tanner

https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html

Just to be clear here Heri.

Do you believe Jane Tanner saw Brueckner or an accomplice?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 23, 2022, 05:41:24 PM
According to reports in 2014  Euclides Monteiro was ruled out because of DNA evidence, therefore forensic evidence was collected. Fast forward to 2020 Wolters , "we do not have forensic evidence", CB was convicted on a hair sample meaning the PJ cooperated , his DNA is therefore known, any sample from 5a does not belong to CB, simples.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 23, 2022, 05:43:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 23, 2022, 02:59:15 PM
I am not afraid of anyone.

Usually natural causes get you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 23, 2022, 05:49:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 23, 2022, 05:07:51 PM
Is it perhaps the saliva sample on her pillow. Heri?

My money is on the sample requested by the Germans but I think a Portuguese hissy fit got in the way of cooperation.

I think it is quite remarkable that the Portuguese demonstrate such reluctance to act on initiatives which might have a chance of finding out what Madeleine's fate is.  What are they so scared of that they blocked BKA requests in exactly the way they blocked SY before them.
Is it something unique to Madeleine McCann investigations.  There didn't seem to be the same reluctance when it came to sharing forensics in one rape case which German justice sorted out on their behalf or in the rape case which hasn't come to trial yet.
Without that cooperation and sharing of information neither case would have been worth prosecuting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 05:57:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 23, 2022, 05:41:24 PM
According to reports in 2014  Euclides Monteiro was ruled out because of DNA evidence, therefore forensic evidence was collected. Fast forward to 2020 Wolters , "we do not have forensic evidence", CB was convicted on a hair sample meaning the PJ cooperated , his DNA is therefore known, any sample from 5a does not belong to CB, simples.

Yes, but anything in the apartment that either wasn't tested or didn't yield a full DNA sample, probably matched Brueckner.

That seems to be the default position here. If in doubt, it was Brueckner.

Heri has him already hiding in the apartment during Gerry's check, then somewhere in the available time slot he sheds his dna around the place, whilst also being careful not to leave any forensic trace on the window he opened & escaped out of, or passed Maddie to his accomplice through, not sure which.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 23, 2022, 07:00:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 05:57:57 PM
Yes, but anything in the apartment that either wasn't tested or didn't yield a full DNA sample, probably matched Brueckner.

That seems to be the default position here. If in doubt, it was Brueckner.

Heri has him already hiding in the apartment during Gerry's check, then somewhere in the available time slot he sheds his dna around the place, whilst also being careful not to leave any forensic trace on the window he opened & escaped out of, or passed Maddie to his accomplice through, not sure which.

Neither is anyone else.

Wishful thinking mostly, and an over active imagination.

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2022, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 23, 2022, 05:43:54 PM
Usually natural causes get you.

I'd like to see them try.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 23, 2022, 07:16:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 23, 2022, 07:00:20 PM
Neither is anyone else.

Wishful thinking mostly, and an over active imagination.

IMO
Whereas the scenario painted by your average sceptic which involves a cover up conspiracy,  parading a corpse through town, and then in a hire car 23 days later, protection by the High Ups and the German police is the product of what, exactly? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 23, 2022, 07:37:43 PM
It was the previous experience I was thinking about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 23, 2022, 07:37:43 PM
It was the previous experience I was thinking about.

It's not being given much attention though.

I wonder what Brueckner did when he entered the apartment the night before & why he did so?

Was this a reconnaissance mission or a failed abduction bid perhaps?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 23, 2022, 07:57:21 PM


'When we discovered she had gone it seemed very likely that someone had tried the same thing the night before.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386093/Kate-McCann-Kidnapper-drugged-twins-night-Madeleine-taken.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 23, 2022, 08:00:14 PM
Quote from: Anthro on January 23, 2022, 05:07:51 PM
Is it perhaps the saliva sample on her pillow. Heri?

I thought that came from Madeleine's pillow in England, not in 5A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 08:35:10 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html)

According to my source, the DNA I'm talking about has nothing to do with pillows or bedclothes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 23, 2022, 08:50:07 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 08:35:10 PM
According to my source, the DNA I'm talking about has nothing to do with pillows or bedclothes.

To be quite honest I'm not sure what you are trying to do.
Until you stop playing games I think we can assume you have absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 23, 2022, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 08:35:10 PM
According to my source, the DNA I'm talking about has nothing to do with pillows or bedclothes.
Fingerprint (partial)?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 08:52:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 23, 2022, 08:50:07 PM
To be quite honest I'm not sure what you are trying to do.
Until you stop playing games I think we can assume you have absolutely nothing.

I am not playing games. I cannot say what it is, but I can say what it is not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 23, 2022, 09:09:37 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 08:52:43 PM
I am not playing games. I cannot say what it is, but I can say what it is not.

You are playing a game... Its called.. I know something you don't know.. And I'm going to tease you.
To be quite honest I don't care what you know...


All I'm interested in is what information Wolters has... He has credibility.. What he has is all that matters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 10:47:44 PM
 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17416411/madeleine-mccann-suspect-miles-away-claim/       (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17416411/madeleine-mccann-suspect-miles-away-claim/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 23, 2022, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 10:47:44 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17416411/madeleine-mccann-suspect-miles-away-claim/       (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17416411/madeleine-mccann-suspect-miles-away-claim/)
Well as sceptics are so very keen to remind us, appearing to behave normally is no indicator of innocence.   This really is the weakest alibi given she wasn’t even with him on the night. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 23, 2022, 11:03:41 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2022, 10:47:44 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17416411/madeleine-mccann-suspect-miles-away-claim/       (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17416411/madeleine-mccann-suspect-miles-away-claim/)

You do realise this story is a week old and the investigators are not the official investigation but MWT


The important point is that as she says she wasn't with him on the day of the abduction then it's not much of an alibi.
Then... Its in The Sun... With no named sources so cannot be trusted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2022, 09:11:26 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 23, 2022, 11:03:41 PM
You do realise this story is a week old and the investigators are not the official investigation but MWT


The important point is that as she says she wasn't with him on the day of the abduction then it's not much of an alibi.
Then... Its in The Sun... With no named sources so cannot be trusted

Its up to the BKA to sort it, beyond reasonable doubt ,with all this damming evidence the german docu is supposed to of uncovered makes you wonder why still no charges, won't be long now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2022, 09:19:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2022, 09:11:26 AM
Its up to the BKA to sort it, beyond reasonable doubt ,with all this damming evidence the german docu is supposed to of uncovered makes you wonder why still no charges, won't be long now.
From what I understand the BKA are in no hurry to press charges so you can quit with your "won't be long" mantra, no one is under any illusions that charges are imminent and what you are writing is just designed to provoke. IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 09:26:23 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2022, 09:11:26 AM
Its up to the BKA to sort it, beyond reasonable doubt ,with all this damming evidence the german docu is supposed to of uncovered makes you wonder why still no charges, won't be long now.
No amount of quasi-collusion between authorities and 'documentary' makers will change the facts. They may sway the opinion of the simple minded; the TV dinner, binge-watching shit vacuums, but the discerning can see through the veil.
The three presiding judges will no doubt tow the party line and do the expedient thing. IMMHAHOA
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: The General on January 24, 2022, 09:26:23 AM
No amount of quasi-collusion between authorities and 'documentary' makers will change the facts. They may sway the opinion of the simple minded; the TV dinner, binge-watching shit vacuums, but the discerning can see through the veil.
The three presiding judges will no doubt tow the party line and do the expedient thing. IMMHAHOA

I thought it would be five Judges.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 09:35:24 AM
Quote from: The General on January 24, 2022, 09:26:23 AM
No amount of quasi-collusion between authorities and 'documentary' makers will change the facts. They may sway the opinion of the simple minded; the TV dinner, binge-watching shit vacuums, but the discerning can see through the veil.
The three presiding judges will no doubt tow the party line and do the expedient thing. IMMHAHOA

Talk about trial by media. Aided, abetted and encouraged by the prosecutor imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 09:55:27 AM

Are we suggesting that The German Judges are and will be biased?

That sounds like Libel to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 09:56:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 09:35:24 AM
Talk about trial by media. Aided, abetted and encouraged by the prosecutor imo.
Indeed. But, of course, because he's a wrong 'un, it's OK to do away with due process.
[cue the wailing 'what about Leonor getting a shoeing of the bizzies, lad' nonsense, when we all know she went in to gen pop and got the living sh1t kicked out of here for a few minutes]
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: The General on January 24, 2022, 09:56:44 AM
Indeed. But, of course, because he's a wrong 'un, it's OK to do away with due process.
[cue the wailing 'what about Leonor getting a shoeing of the bizzies, lad' nonsense, when we all know she went in to gen pop and got the living sh1t kicked out of here for a few minutes]

You really are quite ignorant of things in general.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 10:15:10 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 10:00:15 AM
You really are quite ignorant of things in general.
Example? Or are you just goading again, despite being the supposed arbiter of fair discourse?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 10:24:39 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 09:55:27 AM
Are we suggesting that The German Judges are and will be biased?

That sounds like Libel to me.

I cannot speculate on the thoughts and behaviour of German judges. I can comment on the behaviour of the Braunschweig prosecutor Wolters, which, imo, has breached human rights legislation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2022, 10:25:16 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 09:55:27 AM
Are we suggesting that The German Judges are and will be biased?

That sounds like Libel to me.

Can you libel a collective ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2022, 10:26:01 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2022, 10:25:16 AM
Can you libel a collective ?
Yes.  I believe it's a criminal offence in Portugal for one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2022, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 10:24:39 AM
I cannot speculate on the thoughts and behaviour of German judges. I can comment on the behaviour of the Braunschweig prosecutor Wolters, which, imo, has breached human rights legislation.
What is stopping Bruckner's lawyer from taking his client's case to the ECHR?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2022, 10:27:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 24, 2022, 10:26:01 AM
Yes.  I believe it's a criminal offence in Portugal for one.

Good, so Andrew and his ilk are sex pest's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2022, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2022, 10:27:35 AM
Good, so Andrew and his ilk are sex pest's.
Huh?!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2022, 10:30:26 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 24, 2022, 10:29:33 AM
Huh?!

Work it out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 09:55:27 AM
Are we suggesting that The German Judges are and will be biased?

That sounds like Libel to me.
You've overtly libeled Amaral twice this week, so it looks like you may be unaware of the legal definition.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2022, 10:46:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2022, 10:30:26 AM
Work it out.
I can't - it doesn't even make grammatical sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 24, 2022, 10:46:11 AM
I can't - it doesn't even make grammatical sense.
Dav? You get used to it. Types too fast on his phone, apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 24, 2022, 10:27:01 AM
What is stopping Bruckner's lawyer from taking his client's case to the ECHR?

If the case ever comes to court I'm sure it will be mentioned by Brueckner's defense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 10:24:39 AM
I cannot speculate on the thoughts and behaviour of German judges. I can comment on the behaviour of the Braunschweig prosecutor Wolters, which, imo, has breached human rights legislation.

He possibly has...and if so CB can take his case to the \ECHR . Problem is that if the evidence of his guilt is overwhelming what would the ECHR do. Quite possibly that Wolters did overstep the mark but the verdict was not affected and award him 5 euros compensation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 24, 2022, 11:14:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 09:35:24 AM
Talk about trial by media. Aided, abetted and encouraged by the prosecutor imo.

I doubt there has ever been two private individuals who have been traduced by the press over a period of fifteen years.

I don't think any convicted criminals have exhibited their literary talent or lack of such to set the tone and keep the band rolling on the hatred through books and media careers made as sticks with which to beat the McCanns.
One such author has thrown his weight behind behind Brueckner with a vengeance while STILL continuing his lies and innuendos as hypocrite in chief.
How many books have been written about Brueckner - known only as Christian B in Germany WHERE IT MATTERS!

The thousands of cess pit internet outlets set up solely to promulgate hatred of the McCanns - obstruct in any which way they can devise to thwart the search for Madeleine and promote libel of her parents - have done the absolute impossible!
They have come out en masse in support of a suspected child murderer - a convicted and depraved paedophile - a horror of a convicted rapist and torturer while absolutely continuing with added force to promote destruction of McCann human rights particularly those of Madeleine.

I would laugh hysterically at the hypocrisy your post epitomises were it not so tragic on so many levels to which you are obviously blind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2022, 11:18:11 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 11:01:35 AM
If the case ever comes to court I'm sure it will be mentioned by Brueckner's defense.
Why wait?  According to you the damage has already been done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 11:19:32 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 24, 2022, 11:14:35 AM
I doubt there has ever been two private individuals who have been traduced by the press over a period of fifteen years.

I don't think any convicted criminals have exhibited their literary talent or lack of such to set the tone and keep the band rolling on the hatred through books and media careers made as sticks with which to beat the McCanns.
One such author has thrown his weight behind behind Brueckner with a vengeance while STILL continuing his lies and innuendos as hypocrite in chief.
How many books have been written about Brueckner - known only as Christian B in Germany WHERE IT MATTERS!

The thousands of cess pit internet outlets set up solely to promulgate hatred of the McCanns - obstruct in any which way they can devise to thwart the search for Madeleine and promote libel of her parents - have done the absolute impossible!
They have come out en masse in support of a suspected child murderer - a convicted and depraved paedophile - a horror of a convicted rapist and torturer while absolutely continuing with added force to promote destruction of McCann human rights particularly those of Madeleine.

I would laugh hysterically at the hypocrisy your post epitomises were it not so tragic on so many levels to which you are obviously blind.
Talking of tragic and blind....D'OH!: https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/christian-brueckner-maddie-verdaechtiger-auch-in-belgien-unter-mordverdacht-77663306.bild.html (https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/christian-brueckner-maddie-verdaechtiger-auch-in-belgien-unter-mordverdacht-77663306.bild.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 24, 2022, 11:38:53 AM
Quote from: The General on January 24, 2022, 11:19:32 AM
Talking of tragic and blind....D'OH!: https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/christian-brueckner-maddie-verdaechtiger-auch-in-belgien-unter-mordverdacht-77663306.bild.html (https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/christian-brueckner-maddie-verdaechtiger-auch-in-belgien-unter-mordverdacht-77663306.bild.html)

Dear the general ~ as long as you continue your masquerade as yet another WUM ~ I shall treat absolutely EVERYTHING posted by you with the contempt deserved and won't enter further discussion with you.
I would not pretend to know what your agenda is - but I firmly believe you have one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 11:48:20 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 24, 2022, 11:14:35 AM
I doubt there has ever been two private individuals who have been traduced by the press over a period of fifteen years.

I don't think any convicted criminals have exhibited their literary talent or lack of such to set the tone and keep the band rolling on the hatred through books and media careers made as sticks with which to beat the McCanns.
One such author has thrown his weight behind behind Brueckner with a vengeance while STILL continuing his lies and innuendos as hypocrite in chief.
How many books have been written about Brueckner - known only as Christian B in Germany WHERE IT MATTERS!

The thousands of cess pit internet outlets set up solely to promulgate hatred of the McCanns - obstruct in any which way they can devise to thwart the search for Madeleine and promote libel of her parents - have done the absolute impossible!
They have come out en masse in support of a suspected child murderer - a convicted and depraved paedophile - a horror of a convicted rapist and torturer while absolutely continuing with added force to promote destruction of McCann human rights particularly those of Madeleine.

I would laugh hysterically at the hypocrisy your post epitomises were it not so tragic on so many levels to which you are obviously blind.

Dear God, I despair.  Is there any point in trying to keep this Forum out of The Cess Pit?  And does it really matter anymore?

It is a Fact that The McCanns will never be indicted of any crime against their daughter, so I have to wonder sometimes what some persons think they are doing.

Fifteen Years and still No Evidence against The McCanns.  This Forum won't find it no matter how hard they try.

I try not to pontificate on Breuckner because I simply don't know and I am not even all that interested in what he most certainly is.  But I very much doubt that he will ever travel very far unchecked ever again.  Although Portugal might not be a bad idea for him since he seems to have had a lovely time doing what he does best.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: The General on January 24, 2022, 11:19:32 AM
Talking of tragic and blind....D'OH!: https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/christian-brueckner-maddie-verdaechtiger-auch-in-belgien-unter-mordverdacht-77663306.bild.html (https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/christian-brueckner-maddie-verdaechtiger-auch-in-belgien-unter-mordverdacht-77663306.bild.html)

''All sorts of new allegations have been raised against my client, for all sorts of crimes, sex crimes. It seems that they are intent on pinning all the missing persons cases in the last 15 years on him.''

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14197346/christian-maddie-madeleine-mccann-guilty-paedo-fulscher/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 11:52:17 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 24, 2022, 11:38:53 AM
Dear the general ~ as long as you continue your masquerade as yet another WUM ~ I shall treat absolutely EVERYTHING posted by you with the contempt deserved and won't enter further discussion with you.
I would not pretend to know what your agenda is - but I firmly believe you have one.

Probably bored out of his tiny mind.  Whoops.  I probably shouldn't have said that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 12:07:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 11:01:35 AM
If the case ever comes to court I'm sure it will be mentioned by Brueckner's defense.


Im not so sure it will...it depends just how strong the evidence is against him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 11:01:35 AM
If the case ever comes to court I'm sure it will be mentioned by Brueckner's defense.

you talk a lot about his human rights. if he was convicted on overwhelming evidence....do you think he would bother to go to the ECHR ...and what do you think the outcome would be
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: The General on January 24, 2022, 12:10:18 PM
That's the riposte I'd expect from my 3 year old nephew. He has trouble restraining his frustration when he can't get his own way, you know, being 3 and all that.

Perhaps you spend too much time with him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 12:13:00 PM
Perhaps you spend too much time with him
You know how these things go do you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 12:28:49 PM
Quote from: The General on January 24, 2022, 12:16:07 PM
You know how these things go do you?

what I know is that you seem to be here for no other purpose than to TRY and wind people up. In order to do that your posts are getting more and more boring
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 24, 2022, 11:14:35 AM
I doubt there has ever been two private individuals who have been traduced by the press over a period of fifteen years.

I don't think any convicted criminals have exhibited their literary talent or lack of such to set the tone and keep the band rolling on the hatred through books and media careers made as sticks with which to beat the McCanns.
One such author has thrown his weight behind behind Brueckner with a vengeance while STILL continuing his lies and innuendos as hypocrite in chief.
How many books have been written about Brueckner - known only as Christian B in Germany WHERE IT MATTERS!

The thousands of cess pit internet outlets set up solely to promulgate hatred of the McCanns - obstruct in any which way they can devise to thwart the search for Madeleine and promote libel of her parents - have done the absolute impossible!
They have come out en masse in support of a suspected child murderer - a convicted and depraved paedophile - a horror of a convicted rapist and torturer while absolutely continuing with added force to promote destruction of McCann human rights particularly those of Madeleine.

I would laugh hysterically at the hypocrisy your post epitomises were it not so tragic on so many levels to which you are obviously blind.

I have no idea what any of that has to do with Wolter's behaviour, discussion of which does not amount to support for his suspect. Whoever a suspect is announcing their guilt before they have been tried isn't acceptable. Good grief, the suspect hasn't even been charged!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 12:31:23 PM
I have no idea what any of that has to do with Wolter's behaviour, discussion of which does not amount to support for his suspect. Whoever a suspect is announcing their guilt before they have been tried isn't acceptable. Good grief, the suspect hasn't even been charged!

It happens all the time...do you remenber the McCann case....but you only seem to be concerned with Wolters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2022, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
It happens all the time...do you remenber the McCann case....but you only seem to be concerned with Wolters
Oh I'm sure G-Unit was a stalwart in defence of the McCanns' human rights when they were being tried by the world's media throughout much of 2007/2008, and traduced by Amaral's Book Of Lies.  Not. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 24, 2022, 01:31:50 PM
The evidence that was not collected was "cigarette butts".

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/an-error-by-portuguese-investigators.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 12:31:23 PM
I have no idea what any of that has to do with Wolter's behaviour, discussion of which does not amount to support for his suspect. Whoever a suspect is announcing their guilt before they have been tried isn't acceptable. Good grief, the suspect hasn't even been charged!
In your opinion. It depends on what evidence Wolters has. Amaral did the same
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2022, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 12:31:23 PM
I have no idea what any of that has to do with Wolter's behaviour, discussion of which does not amount to support for his suspect. Whoever a suspect is announcing their guilt before they have been tried isn't acceptable. Good grief, the suspect hasn't even been charged!


A German says he's guilty, thank F my Grandad stood up to them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 12:28:49 PM
what I know is that you seem to be here for no other purpose than to TRY and wind people up. In order to do that your posts are getting more and more boring
....and yet here you are, throwing petty insults around. Who's trying to wind people up again?
Anyway, back on topic, this new suspect that's turned out they don't have enough evidence on to charge.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 01:51:42 PM
The fag butts already prove someone stood on a balcony smoking fags.

Quite how & why any connection to Madeleine's disappearance can be made from that I've really no idea.

People smoke fags, people have balconies, people smoke fags on balconies, is that really so strange?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2022, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2022, 01:46:53 PM

A German says he's guilty, thank F my Grandad stood up to them.
Huh?!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 01:56:42 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 01:51:42 PM
The fag butts already prove someone stood on a balcony smoking fags.

Quite how & why any connection to Madeleine's disappearance can be made from that I've really no idea.

People smoke fags, people have balconies, people smoke fags on balconies, is that really so strange?
If anything it demonstrates some semblance of consideration for others, choosing to smoke outside. Hardly the action of an evil child snatcher.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 24, 2022, 01:58:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 01:51:42 PM
The fag butts already prove someone stood on a balcony smoking fags.

Quite how & why any connection to Madeleine's disappearance can be made from that I've really no idea.

People smoke fags, people have balconies, people smoke fags on balconies, is that really so strange?

I am not talking of Graham McKenzie statement, or block 6 balcony.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 02:01:08 PM

Sadie mentioned cigarette butts a very long time ago.

Incidentally it wasn't a private balcony.  Just attached to the stair well.  Anyone could have been there watching.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 02:03:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 02:01:08 PM
Sadie mentioned cigarette butts a very long time ago.

Incidentally it wasn't a private balcony.  Just attached to the stair well.  Anyone could have been there watching.

Or simply having a fag.

Given there are roughly 2 million smokers in Portugal, that seems most likely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 24, 2022, 02:06:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 24, 2022, 02:01:08 PM
Sadie mentioned cigarette butts a very long time ago.

Incidentally it wasn't a private balcony.  Just attached to the stair well.  Anyone could have been there watching.

I am not talking about balconies, McKenzie statement has nothing to do with the "cigarette butts" i mentioned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 02:03:53 PM
Or simply having a fag.

Given there are roughly 2 million smokers in Portugal, that seems most likely.
Or it could be a bedraggled, evil child snatcher, loitering in the stairwell for a prolonged period of time, in the most conspicuous of all of the places he could have chosen, in full view of passing residents and holidaymakers alike, whilst discarding potentially incriminating evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 02:18:31 PM
Quote from: The General on January 24, 2022, 02:08:25 PM
Or it could be a bedraggled, evil child snatcher, loitering in the stairwell for a prolonged period of time, in the most conspicuous of all of the places he could have chosen, in full view of passing residents and holidaymakers alike, whilst discarding potentially incriminating evidence.

Given the parental traffic to & from the apartments during the evenings proceedings this would have been a highly stressful operation so could induce the urge to smoke.

I'm still unclear how the abduction team communicated though.

A half hour phone call at 7:30 to tell him the coast would be clear...... after 9?

That doesn't make sense.

I think we're missing the walkie talkies or Morse code flash light messages.

Ah, wait, I got it, smoke signals!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 24, 2022, 02:26:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 02:18:31 PM
Given the parental traffic to & from the apartments during the evenings proceedings this would have been a highly stressful operation so could induce the urge to smoke.

I'm still unclear how the abduction team communicated though.

A half hour phone call at 7:30 to tell him the coast would be clear...... after 9?

That doesn't make sense.

I think we're missing the walkie talkies or Morse code flash light messages.

Ah, wait, I got it, smoke signals!
Smoke signals would certainly have been an option, but both sender and recipient would have to be fully conversant if anything other than 'go', 'no go' was in operation.
It could be argued that, let's call them Hose A and Hose B, if Hose A is keeping vigil in the stairwell, then he could give the signal of 'go' by starting to smoke. Ideally Hose B would be within proximity to be able to see this sparking up of a ciggie, and could interpret this and initiate the abduction. If Hose A sees a parent or other appropriate adult sticking to a pre-determined schedule of checking, then he could put out the snout, alerting Hose B of the impeding arrival - which would explain the many fag ends found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 01:40:54 PM
In your opinion. It depends on what evidence Wolters has. Amaral did the same

Amaral announced the McCann's guilt to the press during his time as a PJ Inspector? I don't remember that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 04:34:55 PM
Amaral announced the McCann's guilt to the press during his time as a PJ Inspector? I don't remember that.
He was worse than Wolters imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 24, 2022, 04:50:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 12:31:23 PM
I have no idea what any of that has to do with Wolter's behaviour, discussion of which does not amount to support for his suspect. Whoever a suspect is announcing their guilt before they have been tried isn't acceptable. Good grief, the suspect hasn't even been charged!

It is a response in reply to your post.

In my neck of the woods there is an admonishment which goes along the lines that critics should "look in - before they look oot".

Allow me to recommend it to you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 04:58:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 12:31:23 PM
I have no idea what any of that has to do with Wolter's behaviour, discussion of which does not amount to support for his suspect. Whoever a suspect is announcing their guilt before they have been tried isn't acceptable. Good grief, the suspect hasn't even been charged!

Do you feel the same about Savile.. And Steven Lawrence's killers
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 05:00:58 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 04:37:38 PM
He was worse than Wolters imo

I thought you said he did the same as Wolters?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 04:58:41 PM
Do you feel the same about Savile.. And Steven Lawrence's killers

Who mentioned their guilt? The CPS or the police?

I see the BBC is working on something called The Reckoning, with Steve Cougan (aka Alan Partridge) playing Jimmy Savile.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 05:13:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 05:00:58 PM
I thought you said he did the same as Wolters?

Amaral accused the mccanns of guilt when they hadn't been charged
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 05:13:29 PM
Amaral accused the mccanns of guilt when they hadn't been charged

He wasn't, however, a member of the Judiciary at the time, was he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 05:26:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 05:19:37 PM
He wasn't, however, a member of the Judiciary at the time, was he?

Makes no difference imo

Wolters may have done it for a specific reason.. Justice for Maddie
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 05:31:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 05:09:46 PM
Who mentioned their guilt? The CPS or the police?

I see the BBC is working on something called The Reckoning, with Steve Coogan (aka Alan Partridge) playing Jimmy Savile.

I'm glad he found a new role, the BBC director used to reject all his series ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS1le_8ZhOU

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 24, 2022, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 05:19:37 PM
He wasn't, however, a member of the Judiciary at the time, was he?
What difference do you think that made to the McCanns’ human rights?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 06:13:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 05:19:37 PM
He wasn't, however, a member of the Judiciary at the time, was he?

You talk about the POI in relation to CBs human rights... Do you not understand that Amaral's book and TV programmes may well have been a breach of the McCanns human rights
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 06:17:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 05:26:23 PM
Makes no difference imo

Wolters may have done it for a specific reason.. Justice for Maddie

I believe the difference is a matter of law, not opinion. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2022, 06:39:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 06:13:47 PM
You talk about the POI in relation to CBs human rights... Do you not understand that Amaral's book and TV programmes may well have been a breach of the McCanns human rights

There again their rights mighten have been, so its pointless speculating until any judgement is known.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 06:41:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 24, 2022, 06:17:16 PM
I believe the difference is a matter of law, not opinion.

You are  avoiding the issues I've raised because you can't answer them. If the evidence against CB is overwhelming... What remedy do you believe he would get from the ECHR.. Imo.. Next to nothing
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 06:43:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2022, 06:39:31 PM
There again their rights mighten have been, so its pointless speculating until any judgement is known.

As I've said even if the ECHR ruled in a future case in CB's favour... What remedy do you think he would get if the evidence against him was overwhelming
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2022, 06:52:14 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 06:43:27 PM
As I've said even if the ECHR ruled in a future case in CB's favour... What remedy do you think he would get if the evidence against him was overwhelming

Far better to speculate on what charges CB is likely to receive if at all in the case, Janosch seems to be doubting any at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2022, 06:52:14 PM
Far better to speculate on what charges CB is likely to receive if at all in the case, Janosch seems to be doubting any at all.

What makes you think Janosch knows anymore than anyone else. He's cited an article in the Sun.. But it's what you want to hear so you accept it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 24, 2022, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 07:02:06 PM
What makes you think Janosch knows anymore than anyone else. He's cited an article in the Sun.. But it's what you want to hear so you accept it

Wolters says what you want to hear and you accept it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 24, 2022, 07:14:42 PM
Wolters says what you want to hear and you accept it.

I find the BKA have more credibility... Lots more
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 07:02:06 PM
What makes you think Janosch knows anymore than anyone else. He's cited an article in the Sun.. But it's what you want to hear so you accept it

Well, he's an..

Psychologist and Professor at Universidad Camilo José Cela.
Master of Investigation in Psychology.
Expert's Degree in Criminology.

He has connections to law enforcement with inside information.

He's been working on the case for years, actually going out to Luz himself, lifting up shutters & abducting pillow cases, whilst we all sat around arguing.

I think he's more qualified to speak on this case than any of us here tbh.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2022, 08:06:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 08:02:09 PM
Well, he's an..

Psychologist and Professor at Universidad Camilo José Cela.
Master of Investigation in Psychology.
Expert's Degree in Criminology.

He has connections to law enforcement with inside information.

He's been working on the case for years, actually going out to Luz himself, lifting up shutters & abducting pillow cases, whilst we all sat around arguing.

I think he's more qualified to speak on this case than any of us here tbh.

He says Madeleine was abducted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2022, 08:10:07 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 08:06:11 PM
He says Madeleine was abducted

I know, he could be wrong, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2022, 07:34:25 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 24, 2022, 07:02:06 PM
What makes you think Janosch knows anymore than anyone else. He's cited an article in the Sun.. But it's what you want to hear so you accept it
Green eyed monster, eh? Most MM groupies, and that's what they are, would be jealous of actual investigative work instead of sitting on their fat arse in their undies covered in Wotsits dust, shouting at a 12 year old laptop.

He's done exceptional work, you have to hand it to him. I don't personally agree with some of his conclusions, but he's thorough and should be respected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 08:05:56 AM
Quote from: The General on January 25, 2022, 07:34:25 AM
Green eyed monster, eh? Most MM groupies, and that's what they are, would be jealous of actual investigative work instead of sitting on their fat arse in their undies covered in Wotsits dust, shouting at a 12 year old laptop.

He's done exceptional work, you have to hand it to him. I don't personally agree with some of his conclusions, but he's thorough and should be respected.
You get just about everything wrong so at least your posts are consistent... And this one is no exception.
So what has Heri achieved... Absolutely nothing from what I can see. I called him out for playing a game... Pretending he had some important information that he couldn't divulge. When he did it was cigarette butts.. Lol
The person you should be listening to is HCW... He's the one with all the answers.
You flatter me with your insults....you insult me because you see me as someone who you need to attack.. To try to score points against...someone to try and get the better of. You can't do it with logical rational argument so you descend into being a total wum. I can see straight through you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 25, 2022, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2022, 08:05:56 AM
You get just about everything wrong so at least your posts are consistent... And this one is no exception.
So what has Heri achieved... Absolutely nothing from what I can see. I called him out for playing a game... Pretending he had some important information that he couldn't divulge. When he did it was cigarette butts.. Lol
The person you should be listening to is HCW... He's the one with all the answers.
You flatter me with your insults....you insult me because you see me as someone who you need to attack.. To try to score points against...someone to try and get the better of. You can't do it with logical rational argument so you descend into being a total wum. I can see straight through you

Ok, can you ask Wolters what evidence he has of abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 25, 2022, 08:11:40 AM
Ok, can you ask Wolters what evidence he has of abduction.

He's explained he has proof and why as yet he has not revealed it... But you prefer to listen to Heri. Remember Heris revelation re the woman in purple
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2022, 08:25:12 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2022, 08:16:17 AM
He's explained he has proof and why as yet he has not revealed it... But you prefer to listen to Heri. Remember Heris revelation re the woman in purple
At the very least Heri has disclosed his theory. You haven't. You prefer to get right behind HCW.
No doubt you'll get right behind the next cab off the rank, just as you did with OG - Scepticism is the highest duty and blind faith the one unpardonable sin.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 08:31:20 AM
Quote from: The General on January 25, 2022, 08:25:12 AM
At the very least Heri has disclosed his theory. You haven't. You prefer to get right behind HCW.
No doubt you'll get right behind the next cab off the rank, just as you did with OG - Scepticism is the highest duty and blind faith the one unpardonable sin.

So you admire Heri be cause he's disclosed his theory.. Is that it.
You don't seem to be in the slightest sceptical of MWT.

Based on all the evidence I would say the Germans have solved the case. What makes you believe in MWT... Blind faith
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 25, 2022, 08:34:29 AM
Quote from: The General on January 25, 2022, 08:25:12 AM
At the very least Heri has disclosed his theory. You haven't. You prefer to get right behind HCW.
No doubt you'll get right behind the next cab off the rank, just as you did with OG - Scepticism is the highest duty and blind faith the one unpardonable sin.

Got to give Heri credit for that.

He's stuck to his guns with the Tannerman abductor.

Not sure what the other theories are though.

Brueckner just turns up to burgle, or planned the abduction in advance (not sure which) & enters the apartment at an unspecified time, through unspecified point, does something or other, takes Maddie out of unspecified exit, leaves the area by unspecified means. End.

When it comes to theories I like to keep mine as vague as possible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 08:40:48 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2022, 08:31:20 AM
So you admire Heri be cause he's disclosed his theory.. Is that it.
You don't seem to be in the slightest sceptical of MWT.

Based on all the evidence I would say the Germans have solved the case. What makes you believe in MWT... Blind faith
What is so delicious is how, in their utter devotion to the paedo/rapist, some sceptics have adopted Heri and MWT as heroes, seemingly OK with the fact that both of them believe Madeleine was taken by a paedo/rapist.  You really couldn’t make it up!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 25, 2022, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 08:40:48 AM
What is so delicious is how, in their utter devotion to the paedo/rapist, some sceptics have adopted Heri and MWT as heroes, seemingly OK with the fact that both of them believe Madeleine was taken by a paedo/rapist.  You really couldn’t make it up!

If you read my posts and conclude I believe implicitly in anything Heri or MWT have to say then, well, that explains why you're a McCann/Cipriano supporter really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 08:55:05 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 25, 2022, 08:51:35 AM
If you read my posts and conclude I believe implicitly in anything Heri or MWT have to say then, well, that explains why you're a McCann/Cipriano supporter really.

And if you thought my post was serious that explains why you have got everything just about wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
I think it's an exaggeration to say people see MWT and Heri as 'heroes'. All I've seen is people acknowledging the work they've done on the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 08:58:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
I think it's an exaggeration to say people see MWT and Heri as 'heroes'. All I've seen is people acknowledging the work they've done on the case.

Then you should put Sadie in that group
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 09:00:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
I think it's an exaggeration to say people see MWT and Heri as 'heroes'. All I've seen is people acknowledging the work they've done on the case.

Yet none for the BKK.. Who it seems have solved the case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 25, 2022, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2022, 09:00:22 AM
Yet none for the BKK.. Who it seems have solved the case

Did I miss the trial?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 09:02:53 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 25, 2022, 09:00:47 AM
Did I miss the trial?

I think it's the boat you missed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
I think it's an exaggeration to say people see MWT and Heri as 'heroes'. All I've seen is people acknowledging the work they've done on the case.
But ONLY because they have apparently concluded CB is not involved, had they come to the opposite conclusion they would be being mocked and reviled with the rest of us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 09:39:02 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 09:19:17 AM
But ONLY because they have apparently concluded CB is not involved, had they come to the opposite conclusion they would be being mocked and reviled with the rest of us.

I think that post needs acknowledging as opinion rather then fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 09:43:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 09:39:02 AM
I think that post needs acknowledging as opinion rather then fact.
Oh?  I think it’s a fact.  If Heri and MWT were coming out in favour of CB as the perpetrator they would be commanding zero respect from sceptics.  Prove me wrong.  Express your respect forthe views of  anyone on this forum or elsewhere who thinks CB may have been involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 09:39:02 AM
I think that post needs acknowledging as opinion rather then fact.

Based on the evidence of all previous posts it's fact. Wolters and SY have been written off as incompetent by you and other sceptics.. Whilst anyone who thinks CB is innocent is lauded
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2022, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2022, 08:16:17 AM
He's explained he has proof and why as yet he has not revealed it... But you prefer to listen to Heri. Remember Heris revelation re the woman in purple
Ironically, you seem to be confusing proof with evidence; an accusation you constantly pin on others.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 10:14:52 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 09:43:38 AM
Oh?  I think it’s a fact.  If Heri and MWT were coming out in favour of CB as the perpetrator they would be commanding zero respect from sceptics.  Prove me wrong.  Express your respect forthe views of  anyone on this forum or elsewhere who thinks CB may have been involved.

So your opinion is factual because you think it is? Very convincing - not. In my opinion no-one has enough evidence to decide whether CB was involved in Madeleine's disappearance or not, so anyone arguing that he was is expressing opinion or placing their faith in the German investigators. I find it difficult to respect people who rely on others to tell them what happened.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 25, 2022, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2022, 09:02:53 AM
I think it's the boat you missed

Lucky for him , its the one that's sinking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 10:14:52 AM
So your opinion is factual because you think it is? Very convincing - not. In my opinion no-one has enough evidence to decide whether CB was involved in Madeleine's disappearance or not, so anyone arguing that he was is expressing opinion or placing their faith in the German investigators. I find it difficult to respect people who rely on others to tell them what happened.
I'm not relying on others to tell me what happened and I happen to think that that accusation is quite insulting.  You and I both have access to exactly the same information - I formed the opinion that Madeleine was taken by a predatory paedophile many years before anyone had ever heard of CB, so incidentally had Heri.  So - you respect his view, not mine because...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 25, 2022, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 10:27:33 AM
I'm not relying on others to tell me what happened and I happen to think that that accusation is quite insulting.  You and I both have access to exactly the same information - I formed the opinion that Madeleine was taken by a predatory paedophile many years before anyone had ever heard of CB, so incidentally had Heri.  So - you respect his view, not mine because...?

Logical step from the three local amigos to a predatory paedo, so not earth shattering, but the next burning  question that needs an answer will be  once CB is ruled out what then , if they can having writ the legend.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 25, 2022, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 25, 2022, 10:33:12 AM
Logical step from the three local amigos to a predatory paedo, so not earth shattering, but the next burning  question that needs an answer will be  once CB is ruled out what then , if they can having writ the legend.

Oh  if Brueckner is ruled out, the way forward is quite clear.

The Germans will say they know he did it but not enough evidence to convict,  move the goalposts & attempt to get him for something else.

OG will say they are happy with the Germans' conclusion, state they are not looking for anyone else and quitely pack up - honour satisfied  & all that.

McCann will continue the pretense that  Madeleine is alive and well and unharmed and just waiting to be found.


IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 10:27:33 AM
I'm not relying on others to tell me what happened and I happen to think that that accusation is quite insulting.  You and I both have access to exactly the same information - I formed the opinion that Madeleine was taken by a predatory paedophile many years before anyone had ever heard of CB, so incidentally had Heri.  So - you respect his view, not mine because...?

So what evidence has convinced you that CB is your 'predatory paedophile'? Whatever it is it doesn't seem to have convinced Heri at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2022, 11:10:57 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 25, 2022, 10:54:25 AM
Oh  if Brueckner is ruled out, the way forward is quite clear.

The Germans will say they know he did it but not enough evidence to convict,  move the goalposts & attempt to get him for something else.

OG will say they are happy with the Germans' conclusion, state they are not looking for anyone else and quitely pack up - honour satisfied  & all that.

McCann will continue the pretense that  Madeleine is alive and well and unharmed and just waiting to be found.


IMO
The Convenient Patsy, starring Kiefer Sutherland as CB and Bandersnatch Cummerbund as HCW.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 25, 2022, 11:18:10 AM
Quote from: The General on January 25, 2022, 11:10:57 AM
The Convenient Patsy, starring Kiefer Sutherland as CB and Bandersnatch Cummerbund as HCW.

Supporting cast including Huge Ackman &  Jame Dudy Jench.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 11:18:39 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 10:57:34 AM
So what evidence has convinced you that CB is your 'predatory paedophile'? Whatever it is it doesn't seem to have convinced Heri at the moment.

I think you are wrong again..Heri has said failure of the PJ to collect cigarette butts has meant loss of important evidence that could have nailed CB. Read his posts again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 10:57:34 AM
So what evidence has convinced you that CB is your 'predatory paedophile'? Whatever it is it doesn't seem to have convinced Heri at the moment.
You've started with a false argument as I have never once claimed to be convinced that CB is the predatory paedophile in question.  I think if not him, someone very much matching his previous history and characteristics will be shown to have committed the crime.  But for this view I must of course be ridiculed and disrespected.  I understand how it works, don't worry. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2022, 11:32:41 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2022, 11:18:39 AM
I think you are wrong again..Heri has said failure of the PJ to collect cigarette butts has meant loss of important evidence that could have nailed CB. Read his posts again
Now you say it like that.....
Why stop at one overlooking balcony / stairwell? Why not bag and tag all fag ends within a 200m radius?
Why not fingerprint every location?
Heri has that wrong, just like the Colour Purple Woman. But he still speaks from experience, whereas we don't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 25, 2022, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 10:57:34 AM
So what evidence has convinced you that CB is your 'predatory paedophile'? Whatever it is it doesn't seem to have convinced Heri at the moment.

There is not a single fair minded person on this board who does not respect Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence in the outrage against Madeleine McCann although he is a proven rapist - torturer - paedophile in relation to other cases.

Your criticism should more appropriately be reserved for those who have delighted in pointing accusatory fingers at Madeleine's parents for the past fifteen years.

You prime amongst them.

I see an hypocrisy in that to which you are obviously blind.  Funny old world is it not 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2022, 11:38:06 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 25, 2022, 11:34:42 AM
There is not a single fair minded person on this board who does not respect Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence in the outrage against Madeleine McCann although he is a proven rapist - torturer - paedophile in relation to other cases.

Your criticism should more appropriately be reserved for those who have delighted in pointing accusatory fingers at Madeleine's parents for the past fifteen years.

You prime amongst them.

I see an hypocrisy in that to which you are obviously blind.  Funny old world is it not 😁
Alleged outrage. It hasn't even been proven an outrage occurred, far less who perpetrated it.
'An unknown incident leading to the disappearance of' would be a more accurate definition.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: The General on January 25, 2022, 11:32:41 AM
Now you say it like that.....
Why stop at one overlooking balcony / stairwell? Why not bag and tag all fag ends within a 200m radius?
Why not fingerprint every location?
Heri has that wrong, just like the Colour Purple Woman. But he still speaks from experience, whereas we don't.

Heri would understand... As I do.. That it would be normal to collect butt's in the immediate vicinity.

Heri has his opinions.. I think hes absolutely wrong if he thinks that CB is going to walk simply on the butt's issue.
He was also wrong in his claim that a new statement after 14 years is unreliable... It might be... Then again it might not. So I've proved Heri wrong when it comes to assessing evidence.... So he has no claim to superiority
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 25, 2022, 12:54:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 11:27:26 AM
You've started with a false argument as I have never once claimed to be convinced that CB is the predatory paedophile in question.  I think if not him, someone very much matching his previous history and characteristics will be shown to have committed the crime.  But for this view I must of course be ridiculed and disrespected.  I understand how it works, don't worry.

What are the chances, another one, still like Rowley said, they walk amongst us, not in so many words but you should get the drift.

The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 01:00:05 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 11:27:26 AM
You've started with a false argument as I have never once claimed to be convinced that CB is the predatory paedophile in question.  I think if not him, someone very much matching his previous history and characteristics will be shown to have committed the crime.  But for this view I must of course be ridiculed and disrespected.  I understand how it works, don't worry.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were arguing that he was. So you're not convinced that Wolters has identified the perpetrator, but you think it's likely to have been someone similar. Is there any evidence that a 'predatory paedophile' was involved?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 25, 2022, 11:34:42 AM
There is not a single fair minded person on this board who does not respect Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence in the outrage against Madeleine McCann although he is a proven rapist - torturer - paedophile in relation to other cases.

Your criticism should more appropriately be reserved for those who have delighted in pointing accusatory fingers at Madeleine's parents for the past fifteen years.

You prime amongst them.

I see an hypocrisy in that to which you are obviously blind.  Funny old world is it not 😁

I have pointed out anomalies in the accounts of the Tapas 9, mostly in response to those who believe there are none. I accuse them of failing to tell a coherent story about the events of 3rd May 2007, and have provided my evidence. That doesn't amount to accusing any of them of committing a crime.

CB has been accused of committing a crime by the German authorities; not by following due process, but by making public statements without any definitive evidence being provided.

I see nothing hypocritical in my stance, and I object to the constant accusations being made against me. Please provide evidence to support your accusations or stop making them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 01:00:05 PM
Oh, sorry, I thought you were arguing that he was. So you're not convinced that Wolters has identified the perpetrator, but you think it's likely to have been someone similar. Is there any evidence that a 'predatory paedophile' was involved?
I think so, yes, the fact is you don’t accept that what I consider to be evidence IS evidence because you don’t understand what evidence is.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 01:41:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 01:25:17 PM
I have pointed out anomalies in the accounts of the Tapas 9, mostly in response to those who believe there are none. I accuse them of failing to tell a coherent story about the events of 3rd May 2007, and have provided my evidence. That doesn't amount to accusing any of them of committing a crime.

CB has been accused of committing a crime by the German authorities; not by following due process, but by making public statements without any definitive evidence being provided.

I see nothing hypocritical in my stance, and I object to the constant accusations being made against me. Please provide evidence to support your accusations or stop making them.
Define "definitive evidence" - how does it differ from just plain old evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 01:34:38 PM
I think so, yes, the fact is you don’t accept that what I consider to be evidence IS evidence because you don’t understand what evidence is.  IMO.

Well, one of us is lacking something it seems. Have you ever wondered if it might be you, not me?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 02:00:23 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 25, 2022, 12:54:28 PM
What are the chances, another one, still like Rowley said, they walk amongst us, not in so many words but you should get the drift.

The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been doing.[
Well, quite. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 01:41:20 PM
Define "definitive evidence" - how does it differ from just plain old evidence?

Conclusive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 01:59:49 PM
Well, one of us is lacking something it seems. Have you ever wondered if it might be you, not me?
What is it you think I might be lacking?  I think I understand the meaning of the word "evidence" for example,  that an open window and the testimony of 7 friends of the McCanns is evidence, do you agree or disagree? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 02:01:02 PM
Conclusive.
Conclusive evidence would be proof would it not?  If not, what's the difference between conclusive evidence and proof? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 03:30:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 01:00:05 PM
Oh, sorry, I thought you were arguing that he was. So you're not convinced that Wolters has identified the perpetrator, but you think it's likely to have been someone similar. Is there any evidence that a 'predatory paedophile' was involved?

From what Wolters has said he has proof of paedophile involvement
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2022, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2022, 03:30:16 PM
From what Wolters has said he has proof of paedophile involvement
Have you got some special sauce, you saucy get?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 01:25:17 PM
I have pointed out anomalies in the accounts of the Tapas 9, mostly in response to those who believe there are none. I accuse them of failing to tell a coherent story about the events of 3rd May 2007, and have provided my evidence. That doesn't amount to accusing any of them of committing a crime.

CB has been accused of committing a crime by the German authorities; not by following due process, but by making public statements without any definitive evidence being provided.

I see nothing hypocritical in my stance, and I object to the constant accusations being made against me. Please provide evidence to support your accusations or stop making them.

You are assuming the statements are accurate. You have no definitive evidence they are
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2022, 03:44:03 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2022, 03:39:28 PM
You are assuming the statements are accurate. You have no definitive evidence they are
So they weren't checking the kids then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 25, 2022, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 01:25:17 PM
I have pointed out anomalies in the accounts of the Tapas 9, mostly in response to those who believe there are none. I accuse them of failing to tell a coherent story about the events of 3rd May 2007, and have provided my evidence. That doesn't amount to accusing any of them of committing a crime.

CB has been accused of committing a crime by the German authorities; not by following due process, but by making public statements without any definitive evidence being provided.

I see nothing hypocritical in my stance, and I object to the constant accusations being made against me. Please provide evidence to support your accusations or stop making them.

You say ~ I have pointed out anomalies in the accounts of the Tapas 9, mostly in response to those who believe there are none. I accuse them of failing to tell a coherent story about the events of 3rd May 2007, and have provided my evidence. That doesn't amount to accusing any of them of committing a crime.

Why bother!
What on earth compels you to obsess about what you think are "anomalies" in police statements made fifteen years ago - what drives your purpose for that.

 ~ CB has been accused of committing a crime by the German authorities; not by following due process, but by making public statements without any definitive evidence being provided.

Christian Brueckner is the declared prime suspect in a murder investigation. 
For the German authorities to have done that suggests that hey have supporting evidence.
It is not for you to be privy to what that evidence is – that will be dealt with by the judicial process in Germany.

Christian Brueckner is also the prime suspect in other crimes of which he is accused. 
That information is also released in the public domain.  Brueckner hasn’t yet faced charges for them either.
Probably a tad arrogant of you to imagine you have a better grasp of judicial process in Germany than the Germans do.

 ~ I see nothing hypocritical in my stance, and I object to the constant accusations being made against me. Please provide evidence to support your accusations or stop making them.

If you fail to see at the least the hypocrisy that your posting history reveals - both in relation to Brueckner and to the McCanns - as well as all who have a good word to say about them and on behalf of the child on whose behalf they have had to fight tooth and nail for over the past fifteen years – I am unable to assist you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 25, 2022, 04:22:44 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 25, 2022, 04:17:33 PM
You say ~ I have pointed out anomalies in the accounts of the Tapas 9, mostly in response to those who believe there are none. I accuse them of failing to tell a coherent story about the events of 3rd May 2007, and have provided my evidence. That doesn't amount to accusing any of them of committing a crime.

Why bother!
What on earth compels you to obsess about what you think are "anomalies" in police statements made fifteen years ago - what drives your purpose for that.

 ~ CB has been accused of committing a crime by the German authorities; not by following due process, but by making public statements without any definitive evidence being provided.

Christian Brueckner is the declared prime suspect in a murder investigation. 
For the German authorities to have done that suggests that hey have supporting evidence.
It is not for you to be privy to what that evidence is – that will be dealt with by the judicial process in Germany.

Christian Brueckner is also the prime suspect in other crimes of which he is accused. 
That information is also released in the public domain.  Brueckner hasn’t yet faced charges for them either.
Probably a tad arrogant of you to imagine you have a better grasp of judicial process in Germany than the Germans do.

 ~ I see nothing hypocritical in my stance, and I object to the constant accusations being made against me. Please provide evidence to support your accusations or stop making them.

If you fail to see at the least the hypocrisy that your posting history reveals - both in relation to Brueckner and to the McCanns - as well as all who have a good word to say about them and on behalf of the child on whose behalf they have had to fight tooth and nail for over the past fifteen years – I am unable to assist you.
Well that was a waste of energy. Can we keep it on topic?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 06:16:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 25, 2022, 04:17:33 PM
You say ~ I have pointed out anomalies in the accounts of the Tapas 9, mostly in response to those who believe there are none. I accuse them of failing to tell a coherent story about the events of 3rd May 2007, and have provided my evidence. That doesn't amount to accusing any of them of committing a crime.

Why bother!
What on earth compels you to obsess about what you think are "anomalies" in police statements made fifteen years ago - what drives your purpose for that.

 ~ CB has been accused of committing a crime by the German authorities; not by following due process, but by making public statements without any definitive evidence being provided.

Christian Brueckner is the declared prime suspect in a murder investigation. 
For the German authorities to have done that suggests that hey have supporting evidence.
It is not for you to be privy to what that evidence is – that will be dealt with by the judicial process in Germany.

Christian Brueckner is also the prime suspect in other crimes of which he is accused. 
That information is also released in the public domain.  Brueckner hasn’t yet faced charges for them either.
Probably a tad arrogant of you to imagine you have a better grasp of judicial process in Germany than the Germans do.

 ~ I see nothing hypocritical in my stance, and I object to the constant accusations being made against me. Please provide evidence to support your accusations or stop making them.

If you fail to see at the least the hypocrisy that your posting history reveals - both in relation to Brueckner and to the McCanns - as well as all who have a good word to say about them and on behalf of the child on whose behalf they have had to fight tooth and nail for over the past fifteen years – I am unable to assist you.

I can choose to make any point I want provided I do so within forum rules. You are free to reply so long as you comply with those rules also. At the moment you are making me feel bullied and impugned without verifiable cause.
It would be easy to respond in kind, but, as always, I prefer not to do so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 25, 2022, 06:29:35 PM
Number of alibis, gotta be right its in the Sun.


MADDIE MYSTERY Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B has a ‘NUMBER of people willing to provide an alibi for the day toddler vanished’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17433138/madeleine-mccann-suspect-alibi/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 06:31:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 06:16:55 PM
I can choose to make any point I want provided I do so within forum rules. You are free to reply so long as you comply with those rules also. At the moment you are making me feel bullied and impugned without verifiable cause.
It would be easy to respond in kind, but, as always, I prefer not to do so.
It’s the double standards that stick in people’s craw (bending over backwards to be fair about CB, giving him the benefit of the doubt, innocent until proven guilty caring about his human rights la la la,  whilst not apparently giving a stuff about any of the same regardng the McCanns when they are denied the same courtesy), why should pointing that out be perceived as bullying?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 06:31:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 25, 2022, 06:29:35 PM
Number of alibis, gotta be right its in the Sun.


MADDIE MYSTERY Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B has a ‘NUMBER of people willing to provide an alibi for the day toddler vanished’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17433138/madeleine-mccann-suspect-alibi/
It’s all gone a bit I Am Spartacus now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 25, 2022, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 06:16:55 PM
I can choose to make any point I want provided I do so within forum rules. You are free to reply so long as you comply with those rules also. At the moment you are making me feel bullied and impugned without verifiable cause.
It would be easy to respond in kind, but, as always, I prefer not to do so.

Perhaps you should desist from rattling my cage since you obviously aren't too good at it.  When you can dream up the relevance of anything pertaining to Brueckner in the interviews you dispute will be time to pontificate on forum rules - one of which is posting On Topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 25, 2022, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 06:31:51 PM
It’s all gone a bit I Am Spartacus now.

Lets suppose there's a semblance of truth, the BKA will need a fine sieve to work through it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 06:54:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 25, 2022, 06:44:36 PM
Lets suppose there's a semblance of truth, the BKA will need a fine sieve to work through it.
This is what I find odd: according to the report the PJ were able to definitively rule Bruckener out years and years ago, so why then did Amaral have to lie about Brückner’s appearance and that of his van as the reasons why it couldn’t have been him?  Surely Amaral would know the real reasons why they were able to rule him out, so why didn’t he cite those instead of making shit up?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 25, 2022, 06:59:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 25, 2022, 06:54:44 PM
This is what I find odd: according to the report the PJ were able to definitively rule Bruckener out years and years ago, so why then did Amaral have to lie about Brückner’s appearance and that of his van as the reasons why it couldn’t have been him?  Surely Amaral would know the real reasons why they were able to rule him out, so why didn’t he cite those instead of making shit up?

Whats the saying, Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 25, 2022, 07:01:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 25, 2022, 06:44:36 PM
Lets suppose there's a semblance of truth, the BKA will need a fine sieve to work through it.

MWT claims an alibi can be provided by a girl he had a fling with that week. MWT hasnt spoken to her but with her husbaand. He says she was with him before the day of the abduction and shortly after...but not on the day. Doesnt sound much of an alibi. All this is from press reports so not reliable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 25, 2022, 07:05:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2022, 07:01:13 PM
MWT claims an alibi can be provided by a girl he had a fling with that week. MWT hasnt spoken to her but with her husbaand. He says she was with him before the day of the abduction and shortly after...but not on the day. Doesnt sound much of an alibi. All this is from press reports so not reliable


Since 3/05/2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 25, 2022, 06:40:11 PM
Perhaps you should desist from rattling my cage since you obviously aren't too good at it.  When you can dream up the relevance of anything pertaining to Brueckner in the interviews you dispute will be time to pontificate on forum rules - one of which is posting On Topic.

I think if you read back you'll find that you chose to insert yourself into a discussion about the evidence against CB with your spurious accusations.

As it happens the other poster believes Madeleine was taken by a 'predatory paedophile', but not necessarily Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 25, 2022, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 07:34:32 PM
I think if you read back you'll find that you chose to insert yourself into a discussion about the evidence against CB with your spurious accusations.

As it happens the other poster believes Madeleine was taken by a 'predatory paedophile', but not necessarily Brueckner.

Is there a particular forum rule about who and what posters can "choose to insert" themselves "into a discussion about".

I was under the impression this is a discussion forum where one should make the attempt to stick to the topic of the particular thread we happen to be on.

I await with interest your interpretation of the connection between Brueckner and tapas witness statements.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 25, 2022, 08:41:16 PM
Is there a particular forum rule about who and what posters can "choose to insert" themselves "into a discussion about".

I was under the impression this is a discussion forum where one should make the attempt to stick to the topic of the particular thread we happen to be on.

I await with interest your interpretation of the connection between Brueckner and tapas witness statements.

If posters join a discussion one would hope it would be to contribute, not to accuse, impugn, and take the disussion off topic.

Did you have anything to say on the subject of whether there's evidence that a 'predatory paedophile' snatched Madeleine McCann? Do you know of any evidence that it was Christian Brueckner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 10:52:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 07:34:32 PM
I think if you read back you'll find that you chose to insert yourself into a discussion about the evidence against CB with your spurious accusations.

As it happens the other poster believes Madeleine was taken by a 'predatory paedophile', but not necessarily Brueckner.
By “the other poster” do you mean me?  I have got a name you know, you are allowed to use it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 25, 2022, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 09:54:47 PM
If posters join a discussion one would hope it would be to contribute, not to accuse, impugn, and take the disussion off topic.

Did you have anything to say on the subject of whether there's evidence that a 'predatory paedophile' snatched Madeleine McCann? Do you know of any evidence that it was Christian Brueckner?
Why do you keep on asking the same question when you know and we (Brie, I, other supporters) know that you will reject any evidence put forward by us?  It’s tiresome.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 26, 2022, 02:58:56 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 09:54:47 PM
If posters join a discussion one would hope it would be to contribute, not to accuse, impugn, and take the disussion off topic.

Did you have anything to say on the subject of whether there's evidence that a 'predatory paedophile' snatched Madeleine McCann? Do you know of any evidence that it was Christian Brueckner?

There is no connection between the 2007 interviews and Christian Brueckner or anyone fitting that profile or we would certainly have heard about it from you.

The author of the film, Gudrun Altrogge, also spoke exclusively with former companions of Christian B., who for the first time express themselves openly on TV.
They depict the abysses of a criminal who used his dropout life in the Algarve as a camouflage for countless crimes.

Björn R. is still shocked by the revelations surrounding Christian B.:
"He was one of my best friends for two years. I never expected him to have such a mess on his hands."
Among other things, he remembers that the police were also looking for clues to Christian B. in his apartment: "At 9 o'clock in the morning, the police were at the door.
Then, while I was getting an ashtray, I scrambled into the file.
And then I read that Christian is wanted for child... I couldn't believe it.
Until then, I thought it was about diesel theft and all the stealing. I didn't expect that."
And further: "If a person is so friendly and so helpful, he has taught his girlfriend to read and write, has always been helpful... You can't imagine that it also has such a dark side."
https://www.presseportal.de/pm/6952/5130397

Paedophiles and rapists don't walk around with huge signs hanging round their necks proclaiming that they are paedophiles and rapists.
As far as I know neither are they prone to walking into police stations to confess their crimes.  They either have to be caught in the act.  Or they are connected to their crimes by dogged police work building a case against them.

It seems apparent that back in 2007 Christian Brueckner came to the attention of the Portuguese police.  If that is so it would be interesting to know why they eliminated him from their inquiry in those early days.

Brueckner first came to the attention of SY and the BKA around 2013.  Then again in 2017 since when police investigative work has determined that he is the chief suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

If Brueckner is charged with offences committed against Madeleine, whether or not he is responsible for what happened to her will be determined in a German court using the evidence investigators have coordinated against him over a period of years.

Everyone is just going to have to be patient until we see how that pans out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 26, 2022, 08:32:01 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 25, 2022, 01:00:05 PM
Oh, sorry, I thought you were arguing that he was. So you're not convinced that Wolters has identified the perpetrator, but you think it's likely to have been someone similar. Is there any evidence that a 'predatory paedophile' was involved?

You seem happy to accept MWT may have evidence of an alibi but not that Wolters may have evidence of abduction and death
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 26, 2022, 09:08:45 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 26, 2022, 08:32:01 AM
You seem happy to accept MWT may have evidence of an alibi but not that Wolters may have evidence of abduction and death

One has an awful lot to lose if wrong, and it ain't the tv guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 26, 2022, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 26, 2022, 09:08:45 AM
One has an awful lot to lose if wrong, and it ain't the tv guy.

The TV guy hasn't actually said anything.. Its all second hand... And unknown sources

The fact Wolters has everything to lose if he isn't telling the truth supports the fact that he is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 26, 2022, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 26, 2022, 08:32:01 AM
You seem happy to accept MWT may have evidence of an alibi but not that Wolters may have evidence of abduction and death

I didn't know I'd expressed an opinion about MWT. I don't know what either he or Wolters have, but I know MWT will reveal all in his programme. Wolters will only reveal his evidence if a trial takes place, so we may never know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 26, 2022, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 26, 2022, 10:07:37 AM
I didn't know I'd expressed an opinion about MWT. I don't know what either he or Wolters have, but I know MWT will reveal all in his programme. Wolters will only reveal his evidence if a trial takes place, so we may never know.
The German version of bingewatch crud airs on Monday apparently, with their many hitherto undiscovered revelations.

Maybe the Germans and MWT can have a face off, like on Anchorman.

Meanwhile, in a plush office block in Docklands, a crack Anglo-German legal team recruits another couple of interns to assist with the herculean task of sifting through the sheer volume of potentially libelous, multi-format material they are being inundated with. They briefly consider applying for injunctions, but think better of it as it's best to keep the bombardment of shit coming to bolster their inevitable 'unfair process' case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 26, 2022, 10:22:20 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 26, 2022, 10:07:37 AM
I didn't know I'd expressed an opinion about MWT. I don't know what either he or Wolters have, but I know MWT will reveal all in his programme. Wolters will only reveal his evidence if a trial takes place, so we may never know.
Of course, he could quit his job and rake in a small fortune writing a book about how CB dunnit, and of course you would fully support his right to do so, right? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 26, 2022, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 26, 2022, 10:22:20 AM
Of course, he could quit his job and rake in a small fortune writing a book about how CB dunnit, and of course you would fully support his right to do so, right?


"Christian Brückner; der Davongekommenere"

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 26, 2022, 12:17:22 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 26, 2022, 11:30:23 AM


"Christian Brückner; der Davongekommenere"
Arrrgh, my eyes!!!  Is that a tacit acceptance of my post?  I will assume so as I doubt I will get a straight answer anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 26, 2022, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 26, 2022, 11:30:23 AM


"Christian Brückner; der Davongekommenere"
The one that got away? The escapee?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 26, 2022, 01:34:19 PM
Quote from: The General on January 26, 2022, 12:58:47 PM
The one that got away? The escapee?

Or "Mein Erzfeind" perhaps.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 26, 2022, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 26, 2022, 01:34:19 PM
Or "Mein Erzfeind" perhaps.
It’s good to see you’ve been brushing up on your German - looking forward to your in depth translation of the forthcoming revelations! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 26, 2022, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 26, 2022, 02:06:37 PM
It’s good to see you’ve been brushing up on your German - looking forward to your indepeth translation of the forthcoming revelations!

Interesting that posters on WS have also embarked on an in context discussion of German translation ~ the difference being it is a meaningful discussion rather than the jumbled one liners we've been subjected to here.

   ...  what is interesting is the sentences before the last one - "Sie sprechen von einer Vielzahl an Beweisen und Indizien. Welche wird die Öffentlichkeit wohl bald erfahren." They [BKA] speak about a multitude of evidence/proof and indications/clues. Which ones the public will soon find out" Webslueths

There follows a discussion on the meaning of "indiz" and it seems there are a few nuances;  illustrating that meaningful translation is an art.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 26, 2022, 02:54:09 PM
An interesting point of view from a contributor to the Websleuths discussion:

Quote
IMO HCW/BKA have floated this case into the media machine as a part of their strategy. Ramp up the pressure & push for the final pieces of information required.

I think commentary & documentaries questioning their investigation is inevitable. The longer they let this linger the more they face these types of headlines & documentaries.

The last high profile case they handled was the VW emissions case. They made a very similar play. They left the door wide open & waited for the pieces to fall into place. I do think they’ve managed to create a complete pathway to an arrest. I think this new German Documentary will be very reflective & in agreement with the BKA’s case. I think it’ll create headlines, turn heads & ramp up the pressure on CB. I think HCW/BKA may view this documentary as a tool
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 26, 2022, 02:54:18 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 26, 2022, 02:39:03 PM
Interesting that posters on WS have also embarked on an in context discussion of German translation ~ the difference being it is a meaningful discussion rather than the jumbled one liners we've been subjected to here.

   ...  what is interesting is the sentences before the last one - "Sie sprechen von einer Vielzahl an Beweisen und Indizien. Welche wird die Öffentlichkeit wohl bald erfahren." They [BKA] speak about a multitude of evidence/proof and indications/clues. Which ones the public will soon find out" Webslueths

There follows a discussion on the meaning of "indiz" and it seems there are a few nuances;  illustrating that meaningful translation is an art.

 What is WS, please ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 26, 2022, 03:12:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 26, 2022, 02:54:18 PM
What is WS, please ?

                                                               😁

Interesting that posters on WS have also embarked on an in context discussion of German translation ~ the difference being it is a meaningful discussion rather than the jumbled one liners we've been subjected to here.

   ...  what is interesting is the sentences before the last one - "Sie sprechen von einer Vielzahl an Beweisen und Indizien. Welche wird die Öffentlichkeit wohl bald erfahren." They [BKA] speak about a multitude of evidence/proof and indications/clues. Which ones the public will soon find out" Webslueths

There follows a discussion on the meaning of "indiz" and it seems there are a few nuances;  illustrating that meaningful translation is an art.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 26, 2022, 03:31:49 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 26, 2022, 03:12:52 PM
                                                               😁

Interesting that posters on WS have also embarked on an in context discussion of German translation ~ the difference being it is a meaningful discussion rather than the jumbled one liners we've been subjected to here.

   ...  what is interesting is the sentences before the last one - "Sie sprechen von einer Vielzahl an Beweisen und Indizien. Welche wird die Öffentlichkeit wohl bald erfahren." They [BKA] speak about a multitude of evidence/proof and indications/clues. Which ones the public will soon find out" Webslueths

There follows a discussion on the meaning of "indiz" and it seems there are a few nuances;  illustrating that meaningful translation is an art.

Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on January 26, 2022, 10:13:16 PM
Robbyn Swan and Anthony Summers on GB News at 10.20pm tonight giving their opinion into the Madeleine McCann case and whether the case against Christian Bruckner will be dropped.

Not to be missed!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 26, 2022, 10:26:17 PM
Quote from: John on January 26, 2022, 10:13:16 PM
Robbyn Swan and Anthony Summers on GB News at 10.20pm tonight giving their opinion into the Madeleine McCann case and whether the case against Christian Bruckner will be dropped.

Not to be missed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fIU2aMImMQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fIU2aMImMQ)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 26, 2022, 10:30:46 PM
Quote from: John on January 26, 2022, 10:13:16 PM
Robbyn Swan and Anthony Summers on GB News at 10.20pm tonight giving their opinion into the Madeleine McCann case and whether the case against Christian Bruckner will be dropped.

Not to be missed!
Well that didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know but thanks anyway, at least it gives the Summers & Swann scoffers some new material to jeer at.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on January 26, 2022, 11:02:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 26, 2022, 10:30:46 PM
Well that didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know but thanks anyway, at least it gives the Summers & Swann scoffers some new material to jeer at.

I think we will be hard pushed to find a more boring couple on GB News.  What a waste of air time!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 26, 2022, 11:06:20 PM
Quote from: Myster on January 26, 2022, 10:26:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fIU2aMImMQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fIU2aMImMQ)
Wind the timeline back to 22:20 if you missed it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 26, 2022, 11:39:47 PM
Quote from: John on January 26, 2022, 11:02:39 PM
I think we will be hard pushed to find a more boring couple on GB News.  What a waste of air time!
What did you expect?  Amazing new revelations?  A complete volte-face where they come out as McCann sceptics?  A strip-show?  It wa my first experience of GB News and I can’t imagine it gets very much more sensational than that tbh.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 26, 2022, 11:51:07 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 26, 2022, 11:39:47 PM
What did you expect?  Amazing new revelations?  A complete volte-face where they come out as McCann sceptics?  A strip-show?  It wa my first experience of GB News and I can’t imagine it gets very much more sensational than that tbh.
But it's the home of Frogage your favourite punch bag, so you should tune in... frequently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 27, 2022, 12:12:39 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 26, 2022, 10:30:46 PM
Well that didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know but thanks anyway, at least it gives the Summers & Swann scoffers some new material to jeer at.

It certainly wasn't news to us but it would be interesting to be able to make a true comparison about what is and is not common knowledge about Madeleine McCann's case in other countries.

For example I don't think the Policia Judiciaria did much, if anything to publicise the alleged Smith sighting either at the time or since.

From information in the following https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1556392/madeleine-mccann-news-suspect-Christian-b-online-chat-claims it would seem a German audience is likewise in the dark about the prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.
That is inclusive of his surname ~ in Germany he is known as Christian B.

MADELEINE MCCANN'S suspected kidnapper allegedly told an online confidant that he wanted to "capture something small and use it for days" in shocking messages that have now come to light.
By ALEKS PHILLIPS
19:24, Wed, Jan 26, 2022

Today, German news outlet RTL revealed it had acquired secret chat logs of Christian B’s conversations on the dark web.
____________________

RTL said that officers had become aware of the online chats after Christian B’s girlfriend reported him in 2015 for an attack and police searched his home.
____________________


One wonders how much of the forthcoming television documentary on Brueckner will come as a surprise to the German public at large.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 27, 2022, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 27, 2022, 12:12:39 PM
It certainly wasn't news to us but it would be interesting to be able to make a true comparison about what is and is not common knowledge about Madeleine McCann's case in other countries.

For example I don't think the Policia Judiciaria did much, if anything to publicise the alleged Smith sighting either at the time or since.

From information in the following https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1556392/madeleine-mccann-news-suspect-Christian-b-online-chat-claims it would seem a German audience is likewise in the dark about the prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.
That is inclusive of his surname ~ in Germany he is known as Christian B.

MADELEINE MCCANN'S suspected kidnapper allegedly told an online confidant that he wanted to "capture something small and use it for days" in shocking messages that have now come to light.
By ALEKS PHILLIPS
19:24, Wed, Jan 26, 2022

Today, German news outlet RTL revealed it had acquired secret chat logs of Christian B’s conversations on the dark web.
____________________

RTL said that officers had become aware of the online chats after Christian B’s girlfriend reported him in 2015 for an attack and police searched his home.
____________________


One wonders how much of the forthcoming television documentary on Brueckner will come as a surprise to the German public at large.
Old news, I mean a good year old, but thanks.
As for 'something small', maybe it was a weasel or rabbit perhaps.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 27, 2022, 01:05:34 PM
Quote from: Myster on January 26, 2022, 11:06:20 PM
Wind the timeline back to 22:20 if you missed it.
A repeat just in case you were asleep when broadcast live last night... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYuazSalN8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYuazSalN8)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 01:57:27 PM
Mr Summers seems to have taken various sightings by people he describes as credible witnesses and mixed them all up together. He says;

There was a man with a white van standing in the street watching 5A. A similar man came into the apartment; seen by the person living in the apartment above. He had light blond hair and was pock-marked.

The man seen in the street had fair hair one cm long and what she descibed as small pimples from shaving but no white van was mentioned (Tamsin Silence).
A white van was mentioned by Derek Flack, but the man he saw was dark-haired. long at the back, and he had stubble.
The man seen by the niece of the person living in the apartment above was leaving another apartment and wasn't described as pock-marked, although he was blond.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2022, 03:14:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 01:57:27 PM
Mr Summers seems to have taken various sightings by people he describes as credible witnesses and mixed them all up together. He says;

There was a man with a white van standing in the street watching 5A. A similar man came into the apartment; seen by the person living in the apartment above. He had light blond hair and was pock-marked.

The man seen in the street had fair hair one cm long and what she descibed as small pimples from shaving but no white van was mentioned (Tamsin Silence).
A white van was mentioned by Derek Flack, but the man he saw was dark-haired. long at the back, and he had stubble.
The man seen by the niece of the person living in the apartment above was leaving another apartment and wasn't described as pock-marked, although he was blond.

Doesn't really matter... Its what Wolters says that's important
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 03:56:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 27, 2022, 03:14:27 PM
Doesn't really matter... Its what Wolters says that's important

I think it's what he does that matters, and so far all he's done is make unsupported claims and encourage a media frenzy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 27, 2022, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 03:56:19 PM
I think it's what he does that matters, and so far all he's done is make unsupported claims and encourage a media frenzy.

It could be argued he's failing in that without any charges being laid at CB's cell door.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2022, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 03:56:19 PM
I think it's what he does that matters, and so far all he's done is make unsupported claims and encourage a media frenzy.
According to Wolters the BKK have discovered what's happened to Maddie and probably who the perp is. It's your opinion that the claims are unsupported.. I would say you are totally wrong... Again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 07:44:00 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 27, 2022, 04:33:23 PM
According to Wolters the BKK have discovered what's happened to Maddie and probably who the perp is. It's your opinion that the claims are unsupported.. I would say you are totally wrong... Again.

As I said, saying not doing.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 07:58:34 PM
According to the Express, there are mixed messages coming out of Germany;


Today (Thursday), German news channel RTL reports that German prosecutors are preparing to bring charges against the incarcerated man.

It claimed: “The public prosecutor's office is sure that they know the real perpetrator and is about to press charges: It should be Christian B.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1556995/madeleine-mccann-news-charges-to-be-brought-prime-suspect-Christian-b-germany

A spokesperson for the Public Prosecutor’s Office in Braunschweig said: "It is correct that we hope to solve the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. It remains to be seen whether we will be able to do this. The investigations are currently ongoing.

"Whether this will lead to an indictment, I cannot say today. At the moment Christian B. is our only suspect.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1556995/madeleine-mccann-news-charges-to-be-brought-prime-suspect-Christian-b-germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 27, 2022, 08:02:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 07:58:34 PM
According to the Express, there are mixed messages coming out of Germany;


Today (Thursday), German news channel RTL reports that German prosecutors are preparing to bring charges against the incarcerated man.

It claimed: “The public prosecutor's office is sure that they know the real perpetrator and is about to press charges: It should be Christian B.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1556995/madeleine-mccann-news-charges-to-be-brought-prime-suspect-Christian-b-germany

A spokesperson for the Public Prosecutor’s Office in Braunschweig said: "It is correct that we hope to solve the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. It remains to be seen whether we will be able to do this. The investigations are currently ongoing.

"Whether this will lead to an indictment, I cannot say today. At the moment Christian B. is our only suspect.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1556995/madeleine-mccann-news-charges-to-be-brought-prime-suspect-Christian-b-germany

All in the same piece ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2022, 08:09:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 07:58:34 PM
According to the Express, there are mixed messages coming out of Germany;


Today (Thursday), German news channel RTL reports that German prosecutors are preparing to bring charges against the incarcerated man.

It claimed: “The public prosecutor's office is sure that they know the real perpetrator and is about to press charges: It should be Christian B.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1556995/madeleine-mccann-news-charges-to-be-brought-prime-suspect-Christian-b-germany

A spokesperson for the Public Prosecutor’s Office in Braunschweig said: "It is correct that we hope to solve the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. It remains to be seen whether we will be able to do this. The investigations are currently ongoing.

"Whether this will lead to an indictment, I cannot say today. At the moment Christian B. is our only suspect.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1556995/madeleine-mccann-news-charges-to-be-brought-prime-suspect-Christian-b-germany

There are mixed messages coming out of the express... That doesnt mean mixed messages are coming out of Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 27, 2022, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 27, 2022, 08:09:57 PM
There are mixed messages coming out of the express... That doesnt mean mixed messages are coming out of Germany

There's one constant imo, b********e.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 27, 2022, 08:14:15 PM
There's one constant imo, b********e.

I think you must have some of it in your eye
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 27, 2022, 08:02:45 PM
All in the same piece ?

Yes. The public prosecutor's office shooting down RTL. Of course it's the public prosecutor's office which started and encouraged all the speculation. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2022, 09:16:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 27, 2022, 09:07:40 PM
Yes. The public prosecutor's office shooting down RTL. Of course it's the public prosecutor's office which started and encouraged all the speculation.

The prosecutors office aren't speculating.. You are
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 28, 2022, 08:31:24 AM
From WS


The summons CB was handed was dated 4th November 2013 and it ordered him to attend the police station on November 6th for questioning in relation to the MM case, where he would be expected to provide an exact account of his "timings and movements" for the entire month of May 2007.

Later in the book HCW confirms to JC that CB did attend the interview, answered their questions and did not seem suspicious at the time. Presumably therefore, CB has already given police an account of where he claims to have been throughout May 2007.




presumably the Germans have now thoroughly checked this out
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 08:40:17 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 28, 2022, 08:31:24 AM
From WS


The summons CB was handed was dated 4th November 2013 and it ordered him to attend the police station on November 6th for questioning in relation to the MM case, where he would be expected to provide an exact account of his "timings and movements" for the entire month of May 2007.

Later in the book HCW confirms to JC that CB did attend the interview, answered their questions and did not seem suspicious at the time. Presumably therefore, CB has already given police an account of where he claims to have been throughout May 2007.




presumably the Germans have now thoroughly checked this out

It would be fascinating to make a comparison of "discrepancies" in statements between that and the one he decides to give now - if he changes his mind and makes one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 28, 2022, 09:06:28 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 08:40:17 AM
It would be fascinating to make a comparison of "discrepancies" in statements between that and the one he decides to give now - if he changes his mind and makes one.

8 yrs plus a few months later, it probably tallies with no arrest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2022, 09:19:11 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 08:40:17 AM
It would be fascinating to make a comparison of "discrepancies" in statements between that and the one he decides to give now - if he changes his mind and makes one.

McCann couldn't tell the same story  just a few days apart so what chance is there of close correlation in Brueckner's accounts 6 years apart ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on January 28, 2022, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 08:40:17 AM
It would be fascinating to make a comparison of "discrepancies" in statements between that and the one he decides to give now - if he changes his mind and makes one.
To change his mind he would have to be asked in the first place. Arse about face, kid.
Fascinating? Mildly, briefly interesting, perhaps. 'Fascinating' might describe the ubiquity of the Fibonacci sequence found in nature, not some regurgitated, legal game of 'he said she said' guff.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 28, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
I think you are all missing the significance of this.... No surprises... I won't bother to explain
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 28, 2022, 09:37:19 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 28, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
I think you are all missing the significance of this.... No surprises... I won't bother to explain


There is no significance, its all media hype .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2022, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 28, 2022, 09:19:11 AM
McCann couldn't tell the same story  just a few days apart so what chance is there of close correlation in Brueckner's accounts 6 years apart ?
What were the major discrepancies in their accounts?  Oh that's right, there were none, just a couple of piffling details that are the meat and two veg of all conspiracy theorists everywhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 28, 2022, 09:48:46 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 28, 2022, 08:31:24 AM
From WS


The summons CB was handed was dated 4th November 2013 and it ordered him to attend the police station on November 6th for questioning in relation to the MM case, where he would be expected to provide an exact account of his "timings and movements" for the entire month of May 2007.

Later in the book HCW confirms to JC that CB did attend the interview, answered their questions and did not seem suspicious at the time. Presumably therefore, CB has already given police an account of where he claims to have been throughout May 2007.

presumably the Germans have now thoroughly checked this out

No cites on WS I see. I wonder where in the book this information appears? I can't find it.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2022, 09:55:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 28, 2022, 09:48:46 AM
No cites on WS I see. I wonder where in the book this information appears? I can't find it.
What book is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 28, 2022, 10:01:19 AM

One should try the Moderation on Websleuths.  It makes the Moderation on this Forum look like The Teddy Bears Picnic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 10:04:53 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 28, 2022, 09:19:11 AM
McCann couldn't tell the same story  just a few days apart so what chance is there of close correlation in Brueckner's accounts 6 years apart ?

You know this how?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 28, 2022, 10:01:19 AM
One should try the Moderation on Websleuths.  It makes the Moderation on this Forum look like The Teddy Bears Picnic.

It makes the moderation here look non-existent and moderators look like eedjits.

But let's not kid ourselves.  The moderation on CMOMM is very tight indeed.  No doubt rampaging on here is much more amusing 😁
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 28, 2022, 10:25:02 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 10:11:09 AM
It makes the moderation here look non-existent and moderators look like eedjits.

But let's not kid ourselves.  The moderation on CMOMM is very tight indeed.  No doubt rampaging on here is much more amusing 😁

You get banned from CMoMM if you don't follow the program.  I know and I hadn't even said anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 28, 2022, 10:37:12 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 28, 2022, 09:48:46 AM
No cites on WS I see. I wonder where in the book this information appears? I can't find it.

Ah. Page 405. They spoke to Brueckner because Operation Grange asked them to 'take a look at Christian B'. They gave the Germans very little information; I assume because OG had none themselves. He was spoken to as a witness, his answers were sent back to OG and that was that. In 2017 a German investigation began after a second tip-off.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 28, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
I think you are all missing the significance of this.... No surprises... I won't bother to explain

There is just so much thought provoking information being allowed to come to the fore at the moment.  A few of which have reminded me of things which happened in the years immediately after Madeleine's disappearance.

One thing which is becoming more and more apparent is the number of friends and acquaintances Brueckner had cultivated in his years while abroad and during his travels.
Most of whom just seemed to know him as an ordinary guy.  But others whom the police would like to know more about are also coming into the picture.
Such as his very close German friend - who is also blonde - and is now believed to be somewhere in Cambodia.

If memory serves me well - yet another who is mentioned in Jon Clarke's well researched book.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 28, 2022, 11:07:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 28, 2022, 09:37:19 AM

There is no significance, its all media hype .

I prefer to be a little more open minded
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 28, 2022, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 28, 2022, 11:07:00 AM
I prefer to be a little more open minded

I am, thats why I'm not swayed by press reports.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 28, 2022, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 28, 2022, 10:37:12 AM
Ah. Page 405. They spoke to Brueckner because Operation Grange asked them to 'take a look at Christian B'. They gave the Germans very little information; I assume because OG had none themselves. He was spoken to as a witness, his answers were sent back to OG and that was that. In 2017 a German investigation began after a second tip-off.

Ddo you have a cite for him being spoken to as a witness
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 28, 2022, 11:14:41 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 11:06:34 AM
There is just so much thought provoking information being allowed to come to the fore at the moment.  A few of which have reminded me of things which happened in the years immediately after Madeleine's disappearance.

One thing which is becoming more and more apparent is the number of friends and acquaintances Brueckner had cultivated in his years while abroad and during his travels.
Most of whom just seemed to know him as an ordinary guy.  But others whom the police would like to know more about are also coming into the picture.
Such as his very close German friend - who is also blonde - and is now believed to be somewhere in Cambodia.

If memory serves me well - yet another who is mentioned in Jon Clarke's well researched book.

Jon Clarke definitely isn't flavour of the month on CMoMM.  Just in case anyone is interested.

I'm not sure what they think of Breuckner because most of it is unintelligible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2022, 11:20:39 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 28, 2022, 11:14:41 AM
Jon Clarke definitely isn't flavour of the month on CMoMM.  Just in case anyone is interested.

I'm not sure what they think of Breuckner because most of it is unintelligible.
The obsession of one of their members with Jon Clarke is bordering on the mentally unwell IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 28, 2022, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 28, 2022, 11:08:27 AM
Ddo you have a cite for him being spoken to as a witness

Page 405 (Kindle) My Search for Madeleine by Jon Clarke. He claims Wolters said that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 28, 2022, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2022, 11:20:39 AM
The obsession of one of their members with Jon Clarke is bordering on the mentally unwell IMO.

You need to be to Post on that Site.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 28, 2022, 11:14:41 AM
Jon Clarke definitely isn't flavour of the month on CMoMM.  Just in case anyone is interested.

I'm not sure what they think of Breuckner because most of it is unintelligible.

It's a difficult one for them.

How does one justify supporting - a convicted thief - a convicted drug trafficker - a convicted paedophile - a convicted torturer - a convicted rapist who is also a suspected child murderer and still portray oneself as holding the moral high ground.

Oh the difficulties of finding the correct wording for the go fund me appeal  🤩

At least his lawyer Friedrich Fulscher, has some excuse among which ~Speaking of which ~
is Friedrich Fulscher acting pro bono ~ or does anyone know who the Brits are who are rumoured to be allegedly paying his fee?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 28, 2022, 11:54:42 AM

How does one justify supporting -

a convicted thief- he isn't the McCanns.

a convicted drug trafficker - he isn't the McCanns.

a convicted paedophile - he isn't the McCanns.

a convicted torturer - he isn't the McCanns.

a convicted rapist - he isn't the McCanns.

who is also a suspected child murderer - he still isn't the McCanns.

and still portray oneself as holding the moral high ground - I don't support the McCanns.


Well, that was easy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2022, 02:03:18 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 28, 2022, 11:35:08 AM
It's a difficult one for them.

How does one justify supporting - a convicted thief - a convicted drug trafficker - a convicted paedophile - a convicted torturer - a convicted rapist who is also a suspected child murderer and still portray oneself as holding the moral high ground.

Oh the difficulties of finding the correct wording for the go fund me appeal  🤩

At least his lawyer Friedrich Fulscher, has some excuse among which ~
  • somebody HAS to do it
 
  • it is his day job and he gets paid for doing it
Speaking of which ~
is Friedrich Fulscher acting pro bono ~ or does anyone know who the Brits are who are rumoured to be allegedly paying his fee?
these people are so bat-shit crazy that they actually believe that the McCanns are worse than rapists, torturers, child killers and paedophiles.  You can't reason with people as irrational as that so don't even bother trying to work it out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 28, 2022, 02:48:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2022, 02:03:18 PM
these people are so bat-shit crazy that they actually believe that the McCanns are worse than rapists, torturers, child killers and paedophiles.  You can't reason with people as irrational as that so don't even bother trying to work it out.

It's only an opinion that they're not though.

I happen to believe they are.

You might disagree with that opinion, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 28, 2022, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 28, 2022, 11:29:36 AM
You need to be to Post on that Site.

Did you ever post ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2022, 03:27:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 28, 2022, 03:12:43 PM
Did you ever post ?
I did - I lasted less than a day despite being on my bestest behaviour and even sucking up like crazy to Bony Tenet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 28, 2022, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 28, 2022, 03:12:43 PM
Did you ever post ?

Yes, I did.  But The McCann Case was on hold at the time.  And Websleuths wasn't having Libel in any shape or form.  And nor were they having bad language.

But there are other equally interesting cases.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 29, 2022, 09:36:46 PM
The latest:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-no1-suspect-swapped-26085855
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: Anthro on January 29, 2022, 09:36:46 PM
The latest:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-no1-suspect-swapped-26085855


"The film reveals German police made a huge breakthrough when they unearthed a “partial fingerprint” of Breuckner’s which was found in the Irish victim’s flat."

Is that correct?  Has the fingerprint been identifies as belonging to Brueckner ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 30, 2022, 09:12:12 AM
The latest latest...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 09:38:21 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 09:09:07 AM

"The film reveals German police made a huge breakthrough when they unearthed a “partial fingerprint” of Breuckner’s which was found in the Irish victim’s flat."

Is that correct?  Has the fingerprint been identifies as belonging to Brueckner ?

Wolters supposedly said last May I think it was we'll charge CB with rape with in 12 weeks, long 12 weeks so maybe the finger print isn't his.ETA it was June.


JUSTICE FOR HAZEL Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B WILL be charged with raping Irish woman within three months, says prosecutor

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15232528/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-charged-raping-irish-woman-prosecutor/

The PJ supposedly ruled CB out.
Also at the same time its claimed the PJ never examined the room closely so how do they get a partial ?

But respected Portuguese daily Jornal de Noticas reported today that Madeleine McCann suspect Brueckner has already been ruled out of the unsolved sex crime, which happened in Praia da Rocha a half-hour drive east of Praia da Luz where the young British girl vanished.

The newspaper said: 'Jornal de Noticias has learnt that the idea it was Brueckner was considered when he became a suspect in the Maddie case. Unsolved crimes, like those of Hazel's, were revisited and the investigators concluded he was not the author [responsible].'
She claims Portuguese police made no attempt to examine her wounds for evidence and she  says she is 'not confident' that officers examined her room closely.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8405283/Police-ruled-Christian-Brueckner-suspect-rape-Irish-holiday-rep.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 09:40:32 AM
Quote from: Myster on January 30, 2022, 09:12:12 AM
The latest latest...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html)
So Fehrlinger is the alibi?  Except it doesn’t explain what his phone was doing in PdL on the night of the 3rd May…
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2022, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 09:38:21 AM
Wolters supposedly said last May I think it was we'll charge CB with rape with in 12 weeks, long 12 weeks so maybe the finger print isn't his.ETA it was June.


JUSTICE FOR HAZEL Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B WILL be charged with raping Irish woman within three months, says prosecutor

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15232528/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-charged-raping-irish-woman-prosecutor/

He's also said since then.. What takes one week in Germany takes six months in Portugal... There's your explanation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 10:14:54 AM

That there Alibi is looking decidedly dodgy.  Perhaps that is why MWT appears to have gone to ground.

He does have a history of doing this.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:19:45 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 30, 2022, 09:44:15 AM
He's also said since then.. What takes one week in Germany takes six months in Portugal... There's your explanation

Its one more example of the nonsense in the press, look at the cake nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2022, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:19:45 AM
Its one more example of the nonsense in the press, look at the cake nonsense.

We know it's true..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 30, 2022, 10:25:03 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html)

" Ms Fehlinger recalls Brueckner ringing to say he would be driving his Winnebago campervan from the town of Tomar, 200 miles from the Algarve, to her home in Foral, 38 miles east of Praia da Luz, on the night Madeleine went missing, "

Winnebago campervan?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:41:03 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 09:40:32 AM
So Fehrlinger is the alibi?  Except it doesn’t explain what his phone was doing in PdL on the night of the 3rd May…

A phone, just because it was registered to him doesn't mean he was using it.Its clear they can't put CB in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007 .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 30, 2022, 10:25:03 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html)

" Ms Fehlinger recalls Brueckner ringing to say he would be driving his Winnebago campervan from the town of Tomar, 200 miles from the Algarve, to her home in Foral, 38 miles east of Praia da Luz, on the night Madeleine went missing, "

Winnebago campervan?

She's recalling vehicles from 15 yrs ago, I haven't a clue what mine was let alone any one elses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:41:03 AM
A phone, just because it was registered to him doesn't mean he was using it.Its clear they can't put CB in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007 .
Who lends their mobile phone to someone when they themselves are allegedly 300 miles away?  Who spends 30 minutes on the phone to someone who isn’t the owner of the phone number they called? If you can believe that you can believe anything IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:42:36 AM
She's recalling vehicles from 15 yrs ago, I haven't a clue what mine was let alone any one elses.
Seriously?  You can’t remember what car you were driving 15 years ago?  I can - it was a Prius.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:50:06 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 10:44:54 AM
Seriously?  You can’t remember what car you were driving 15 years ago?  I can - it was a Prius.

Like a Trabant You'd never forget one of those . 8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:51:26 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
Who lends their mobile phone to someone when they themselves are allegedly 300 miles away?  Who spends 30 minutes on the phone to someone who isn’t the owner of the phone number they called? If you can believe that you can believe anything IMO.


Why is it you think no one can place him in Luz on that night with that phone in his hand ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:51:26 AM

Why is it you think no one can place him in Luz on that night with that phone in his hand ?
1) how do you know this is a fact? 2) simply because someone has not come forward to place him in Luz doesn’t mean he wasn’t there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:50:06 AM
Like a Trabant You'd never forget one of those . 8(>((
Perhaps I can remember because unlike a lot of people we don’t change our cars every couple of years.  In fact we have only had 3 different cars in 22 years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:58:59 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
1) how do you know this is a fact? 2) simply because someone has not come forward to place him in Luz doesn’t mean he wasn’t there.

In the immortal words of Eccles when found down in the coal cellar, everybody's got to be somewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 30, 2022, 10:25:03 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html)

" Ms Fehlinger recalls Brueckner ringing to say he would be driving his Winnebago campervan from the town of Tomar, 200 miles from the Algarve, to her home in Foral, 38 miles east of Praia da Luz, on the night Madeleine went missing, "

Winnebago campervan?

A Good Spot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 11:09:03 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:58:59 AM
In the immortal words of Eccles when found down in the coal cellar, everybody's got to be somewhere.

Quite  8)--)).

The problem for police is proving where he was, not where he might have been.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 11:09:57 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:42:36 AM
She's recalling vehicles from 15 yrs ago, I haven't a clue what mine was let alone any one elses.

I remember every vehicle I have ever driven and when.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
Who lends their mobile phone to someone when they themselves are allegedly 300 miles away?  Who spends 30 minutes on the phone to someone who isn’t the owner of the phone number they called? If you can believe that you can believe anything IMO.

This is the rub.  Unless it was Breuckner checking in with an accomplice to whom he lent his phone.  There couldn't be any other reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 11:16:56 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 10:58:59 AM
In the immortal words of Eccles when found down in the coal cellar, everybody's got to be somewhere.

Did I have to come into this?  I was no where near Portugal at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 30, 2022, 11:21:06 AM
New post

https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/madeleine-mccann-and-predictive-policing.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/madeleine-mccann-and-predictive-policing.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 11:21:38 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 11:09:57 AM
I remember every vehicle I have ever driven and when.

I suppose cars are more important to some than to others.

I know I was driving a maroon Citroen around that time, but I couldn't begin to recall exact model or registration.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 11:14:36 AM
This is the rub.  Unless it was Breuckner checking in with an accomplice to whom he lent his phone.  There couldn't be any other reason.

I'm sure there could be
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2022, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on January 30, 2022, 11:21:06 AM
New post

https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/madeleine-mccann-and-predictive-policing.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/01/madeleine-mccann-and-predictive-policing.html)

Wolters has said he is 100% certain CB is the perp based on the evidence he has and if he disclosed this evidence then we would reach the same conclusion. That means he has far more than the phone call and profiling. I'm sure he realises profiling is intelligence not evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 11:40:58 AM
I'm sure there could be
I’m sure there might be but I very much doubt you can come up with a plausible, rational one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 11:48:36 AM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 11:40:58 AM
I'm sure there could be

Why would you lend your phone to someone, unless you wanted to keep in touch?  Someone who then answered a 30 minute phone call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2022, 11:57:00 AM
You might lend your phone to someone for 5 mins but not if you were going on a journey and wouldn't be seeing them again for several days
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 12:01:04 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 30, 2022, 11:57:00 AM
You might lend your phone to someone for 5 mins but not if you were going on a journey and wouldn't be seeing them again for several days
I wouldn’t lend my phone to anyone - it’s akin to giving someone else carte blanche to snoop through your messages, photos etc and if I had something criminal to hide even less likely, unless that person was completely in on the criminality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 12:02:07 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 11:48:36 AM
Why would you lend your phone to someone, unless you wanted to keep in touch?  Someone who then answered a 30 minute phone call.

The bit I disagreed with was you saying that it had to be an accomplice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 30, 2022, 11:57:00 AM
You might lend your phone to someone for 5 mins but not if you were going on a journey and wouldn't be seeing them again for several days

If you were of a criminal nature and had several  phones, you might.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 12:14:26 PM
If you were of a criminal nature and had several  phones, you might.
If that's his defence then he will of course be able to name the person he lent the phone to and they will be able to corroborate it and he's in the clear.  But for now he appears quite content to remain the prime suspect in the McCann case, so really he has no grounds for complaint if this misunderstanding could all be cleared up so easily and he could fade away into obscurity as just a.n. other rapist / paedo. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 12:02:07 PM
The bit I disagreed with was you saying that it had to be an accomplice.

Can you come up with a better reason?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 12:45:49 PM
Pointless to speculate, given the uncertainty of  the identities of either caller.

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 12:47:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 12:25:04 PM
If that's his defence then he will of course be able to name the person he lent the phone to and they will be able to corroborate it and he's in the clear.  But for now he appears quite content to remain the prime suspect in the McCann case, so really he has no grounds for complaint if this misunderstanding could all be cleared up so easily and he could fade away into obscurity as just a.n. other rapist / paedo.

Nope, no grounds for complaint at all.  Not even to The ECHR.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 12:45:49 PM
Pointless to speculate, given the uncertainty of  the identities of either caller.

IMO

Let's just stick to speculating about The McCanns.  So much more fun, don't you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2022, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 12:14:26 PM
If you were of a criminal nature and had several  phones, you might.

Did h e have several phones.. Otherwise I agree with you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 01:01:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 12:54:15 PM
Let's just stick to speculating about The McCanns.  So much more fun, don't you think?

Oh I'm done with that, at least for now anyway  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 30, 2022, 12:59:52 PM
Did h e have several phones.. Otherwise I agree with you


Why not he's wearing every other tag ,could have stolen other phones to use in his life as Raffles .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 01:23:40 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 12:54:15 PM
Let's just stick to speculating about The McCanns.  So much more fun, don't you think?
Can you just imagine Kate or Gerry getting away with receiving a thirty minute phone call that night from a number that had never been identified by the police..? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 01:26:56 PM
Reports from this docu on Monday night say CB worked at the OC, how did grange miss him, supposedly they targeted the three locals because one worked there and phone records , if the PJ are useless then the MET are worse than that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 01:38:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 01:26:56 PM
Reports from this docu on Monday night say CB worked at the OC, how did grange miss him, supposedly they targeted the three locals because one worked there and phone records , if the PJ are useless then the MET are worse than that.

According to Websleuths, who seem to be getting very excited by all this, he worked for an external contractor back in 2000, doing pool maintenance.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 01:38:21 PM
According to Websleuths, who seem to be getting very excited by all this, he worked for an external contractor back in 2000, doing pool maintenance.

Been reading that .Of course he then knew a little brit girl would come along and he made a vigil of watching staring, just in case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 01:48:39 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 01:41:51 PM
Been reading that .Of course he then knew a little brit girl would come along and he made a vigil of watching staring, just in case.

Maybe Claire Voiant was one of his many girlfriends.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 30, 2022, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 01:38:21 PM
According to Websleuths, who seem to be getting very excited by all this, he worked for an external contractor back in 2000, doing pool maintenance.

Members here could and should pick up a few points from the members there about how to conduct a meaningful and intelligent discussion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 30, 2022, 02:02:13 PM
Members here could and should pick up a few points from the members there about how to conduct a meaningful and intelligent discussion.

They sound too fanatical for the likes of me.

Those currently posting seem very much of a like mind so maybe little chance of conflict among all the speculation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 02:21:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 02:07:13 PM
They sound too fanatical for the likes of me.

Those currently posting seem very much of a like mind so maybe little chance of conflict among all the speculation.


If Wolters won't get him they will.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 02:41:59 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 02:07:13 PM
They sound too fanatical for the likes of me.

Those currently posting seem very much of a like mind so maybe little chance of conflict among all the speculation.
If you think the Websleuths posters are fanatical I can't imagine what you'd think of the CMOMM posters - certifiable perhaps?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 01:38:21 PM
According to Websleuths, who seem to be getting very excited by all this, he worked for an external contractor back in 2000, doing pool maintenance.
You must be bored if you're reduced to reading the musings of fanatics.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 02:46:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 01:26:56 PM
Reports from this docu on Monday night say CB worked at the OC, how did grange miss him, supposedly they targeted the three locals because one worked there and phone records , if the PJ are useless then the MET are worse than that.
I don't see how the Met can be WORSE than the PJ who were there from Day One and who potentially let a child abductor and paedophile slip through their fingers with no more than a cursory knock on his door at a time when the poor child might even have still been alive, being kept as a plaything by this vile individual. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 02:49:56 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 02:46:13 PM
I don't see how the Met can be WORSE than the PJ who were there from Day One and who potentially let a child abductor and paedophile slip through their fingers with no more than a cursory knock on his door at a time when the poor child might even have still been alive, being kept as a plaything by this vile individual.

But where was he living, no fixed abode if he was in his Camper, maybe last known registered address, nothing it seems is certain about the guy , where he was/wasn't , who he was bedding, a sexual deviant to be sure, a murderer ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 02:58:54 PM
Is this the alibi FF talks of, now Mr Wolters if his DNA is found in 5a, now prove it wasn't from working there.



Paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann had worked at apartments where she vanished, documentary claims
Christian Brueckner, a 45-year-old German, has continued to insist he had no involvement in the disappearance of the child in 2007

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/30/paedophile-suspected-abducting-madeleine-mccann-had-worked-apartments/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 03:10:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 02:49:56 PM
But where was he living, no fixed abode if he was in his Camper, maybe last known registered address, nothing it seems is certain about the guy , where he was/wasn't , who he was bedding, a sexual deviant to be sure, a murderer ?
Yet you claim the Met is worse than the PJ because at a distance of some years from the event they have yet to solve a crime the PJ were unable to and gave up on?  That doesn't really make much sense does it? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 30, 2022, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 02:21:29 PM

If Wolters won't get him they will.

Do you think for a minute that Wolters and the BKA aren't streets ahead of the thinking of armchair sleuths because I certainly don't.

What the Websleuths are picking up on is Amaral's nonsensical attempts at deflection from Brueckner right from the time he caused Brueckner's ID to be thrown into the public domain.

Madeleine's case is a lot bigger than any of us were aware of and I think in which Amaral most definitely might still be found to have had a locus throughout the years intervening since her disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 01:23:40 PM
Can you just imagine Kate or Gerry getting away with receiving a thirty minute phone call that night from a number that had never been identified by the police..?

OMG.  Don't
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2022, 03:37:37 PM


OK.

Let's say Brueckner was in Luz recieving a phone call between 7:30 & 8:00.

Great.

Now, what evidence is there Maddie was abducted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2022, 03:43:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 02:46:13 PM
I don't see how the Met can be WORSE than the PJ who were there from Day One and who potentially let a child abductor and paedophile slip through their fingers with no more than a cursory knock on his door at a time when the poor child might even have still been alive, being kept as a plaything by this vile individual.

You know they had neither evidence of abduction nor anything to suggest Brueckner was involved, right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 03:52:09 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 30, 2022, 03:15:22 PM
Do you think for a minute that Wolters and the BKA aren't streets ahead of the thinking of armchair sleuths because I certainly don't.

What the Websleuths are picking up on is Amaral's nonsensical attempts at deflection from Brueckner right from the time he caused Brueckner's ID to be thrown into the public domain.

Madeleine's case is a lot bigger than any of us were aware of and I think in which Amaral most definitely might still be found to have had a locus throughout the years intervening since her disappearance.

My thoughts for quite sometime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 03:53:16 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2022, 03:43:08 PM
You know they had neither evidence of abduction nor anything to suggest Brueckner was involved, right?

Wrong!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2022, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 03:53:16 PM
Wrong!

Oh sorry, yeah, I forgot, they had Jane Tanner's sighting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 04:20:43 PM
“I was never caught by the police because I followed a few key principles. Where possible, only driving during the day so that my battered ‘hippy bus’ didn't attract attention, only driving on the roads I needed to and, most importantly, never provoking the police.

“So that means not committing any crimes, certainly not abducting anyone.

“Having said that, this was just as absurd to me at the time as starting a nuclear war or slaughtering a chicken.”

Eh? Come again??  Referring to child abduction as absurd as nuclear war and slaughtering a chicken?  Bizarre. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 04:50:52 PM
He didn't commit crimes because he didn't want to draw attention to the crimes he was committing....
 (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 06:29:55 PM
Good old reliable.


A “reliable” witness said he “repeatedly carried out repair work” at the apartments where Kate and Gerry McCann stayed with their children, reports the Daily Telegraph.

Sat.1 said: “A reconstruction of the evening of the crime and extensive research in Portugal and Germany found that Christian B was very familiar with the Ocean Club area in Praia da Luz.

“Prior to Maddie’s disappearance, he repeatedly carried out repair work at the place where the three-year-old disappeared in 2007.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17487361/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-repairman-ocean-club/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 06:47:08 PM
Will be fascinating to see if any of this is raised and  faces scrutiny in a court of law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 06:47:08 PM
Will be fascinating to see if any of this is raised and  faces scrutiny in a court of law.
And if it is it will be fascinating to see how Brückner’s supporters spin it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 07:22:19 PM

Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 06:47:08 PM
Will be fascinating to see if any of this is raised and  faces scrutiny in a court of law.

Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 07:13:45 PM
And if it is it will be fascinating to see how Brückner’s supporters spin it.

Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 02:58:54 PM
Is this the alibi FF talks of, now Mr Wolters if his DNA is found in 5a, now prove it wasn't from working there.




Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 30, 2022, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 06:29:55 PM
Good old reliable.


A “reliable” witness said he “repeatedly carried out repair work” at the apartments where Kate and Gerry McCann stayed with their children, reports the Daily Telegraph.

Sat.1 said: “A reconstruction of the evening of the crime and extensive research in Portugal and Germany found that Christian B was very familiar with the Ocean Club area in Praia da Luz.

“Prior to Maddie’s disappearance, he repeatedly carried out repair work at the place where the three-year-old disappeared in 2007.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17487361/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-repairman-ocean-club/

Some people can hardly bear to read what this horrible individual and his mates got up to ~ what their fantasies were for the little ones they hadn't yet caught ~ the realities for some of those they had and the unbearable implications for Madeleine had she indeed been one of those who had fallen into Brueckner's vile hands.

Some posters here do their best to turn events of this magnitude into a comedy routine and when that bores them revert to denial and ridicule of the very real efforts being made to bust this worldwide evildoing being perpetrated by the most evil men and women of which it is possible to imagine.

If even one iota of the information which is now being released about Brueckner is true - ridicule isn't going to make it go away or any the less palatable.

I see a desperation among some becoming more and more pronounced and I have to say it perplexes me.  It is beyond my understanding why hatred for Madeleine and her family translates to putting oneself into the corner of a reprobate such as Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 07:28:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 07:22:19 PM

I see, Brückner’s supporters are going to claim there was a legitimate reason for his DNA to be in Apartment 5a, that figures. 
So just because he’s a paedo who allegedly fantasised about abducting and killing a small childan and just because he is a rapist who has allegedly broken jnto numerous holiday apartments and just because his phone activated in PdL that night and just because his DNA might potentially have been discovered in Apt 5a doesn’t mean he dunnit.  Right you are then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 07:29:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 07:22:19 PM


I don't see that as an alibi, merely an explanation for the presence of DNA.
Doesn't prove he was somewhere else at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2022, 07:30:25 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 30, 2022, 07:24:15 PM
Some people can hardly bear to read what this horrible individual and his mates got up to ~ what their fantasies were for the little ones they hadn't yet caught ~ the realities for some of those they had and the unbearable implications for Madeleine had she indeed been one of those who had fallen into Brueckner's vile hands.

Some posters here do their best to turn events of this magnitude into a comedy routine and when that bores them revert to denial and ridicule of the very real efforts being made to bust this worldwide evildoing being perpetrated by the most evil men and women of which it is possible to imagine.

If even one iota of the information which is now being released about Brueckner is true - ridicule isn't going to make it go away or any the less palatable.

I see a desperation among some becoming more and more pronounced and I have to say it perplexes me.  It is beyond my understanding why hatred for Madeleine and her family translates to putting oneself into the corner of a reprobate such as Brueckner.

Your entire opinion piece is founded on the presumption Madeleine was abducted.

I still haven't seen anything to confirm that she definitely was, so you see, that's why I don't take the case seriously, nor the allegations against Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2022, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 07:28:06 PM
I see, Brückner’s supporters are going to claim there was a legitimate reason for his DNA to be in Apartment 5a, that figures. 
So just because he’s a paedo who allegedly fantasised about abducting and killing a small childan and just because he is a rapist who has allegedly broken jnto numerous holiday apartments and just because his phone activated in PdL that night and just because his DNA might potentially have been discovered in Apt 5a doesn’t mean he dunnit.  Right you are then.

Well if he worked there, how is the BKA going to sort CB the workers DNA from CB the alleged killers DNA ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2022, 07:33:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 07:28:06 PM
I see, Brückner’s supporters are going to claim there was a legitimate reason for his DNA to be in Apartment 5a, that figures. 
So just because he’s a paedo who allegedly fantasised about abducting and killing a small childan and just because he is a rapist who has allegedly broken jnto numerous holiday apartments and just because his phone activated in PdL that night and just because his DNA might potentially have been discovered in Apt 5a doesn’t mean he dunnit.  Right you are then.

Done what?  Abducted Maddie?  Is that definitely what happened to her? You know this how?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2022, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2022, 07:33:19 PM
Done what?  Abducted Maddie?  Is that definitely what happened to her? You know this how?


 No No, he murdered her, doncha know - or so it's alleged - along with a lot of other alleged stuff.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 30, 2022, 07:45:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 07:22:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 06:47:08 PM
Will be fascinating to see if any of this is raised and  faces scrutiny in a court of law.

Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 07:13:45 PM
And if it is it will be fascinating to see how Brückner’s supporters spin it.

Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 02:58:54 PM
Is this the alibi FF talks of, now Mr Wolters if his DNA is found in 5a, now prove it wasn't from working there.

A huge 'thing' was made by Amaral and others of Kate McCann's fingerprints being on the window of the apartment she had been living in - I don't think Mr Wolter's needs to do anything along those lines as far as Brueckner is concerned.
Although should such a discovery be made it would raise a lot of pertinent questions about the quality of the Policia Judiciaria investigation Amaral co-ordinated.  But I think that is already happening.

I don't foresee the hypothetical scenario painted by you coming into effect - but please do dream on!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2022, 07:31:38 PM
Well if he worked there, how is the BKA going to sort CB the workers DNA from CB the alleged killers DNA ?
Did I actually miss a report about the BKA finding CB’s DNA in the apartment?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2022, 07:36:58 PM


 No No, he murdered her, doncha know - or so it's alleged - along with a lot of other alleged stuff.
In order to murder her and the rest of it he would first have had to abduct her. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 07:56:40 PM
In order to murder her and the rest of it he would first have had to abduct her.

There's a bit of plain common sense for a change.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 30, 2022, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 30, 2022, 07:24:15 PM
Some people can hardly bear to read what this horrible individual and his mates got up to ~ what their fantasies were for the little ones they hadn't yet caught ~ the realities for some of those they had and the unbearable implications for Madeleine had she indeed been one of those who had fallen into Brueckner's vile hands.

Some posters here do their best to turn events of this magnitude into a comedy routine and when that bores them revert to denial and ridicule of the very real efforts being made to bust this worldwide evildoing being perpetrated by the most evil men and women of which it is possible to imagine.

If even one iota of the information which is now being released about Brueckner is true - ridicule isn't going to make it go away or any the less palatable.

I see a desperation among some becoming more and more pronounced and I have to say it perplexes me.  It is beyond my understanding why hatred for Madeleine and her family translates to putting oneself into the corner of a reprobate such as Brueckner.

You do realise that much of what you read in the newspapers is rubbish? These 'witnesses' may never have spoken to the police;

Mr Wolters said: “We are grateful to the SAT.1 team for sharing certain findings with the public prosecutor's office. There are witnesses who might prefer to speak to the media than to us or the police. If this produces any ideas, we will of course follow these up.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-search-evidence-b2003693.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2022, 08:29:49 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 07:56:40 PM
In order to murder her and the rest of it he would first have had to abduct her.

OK, so what evidence is there Maddie is dead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 30, 2022, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 30, 2022, 08:27:37 PM
You do realise that much of what you read in the newspapers is rubbish? These 'witnesses' may never have spoken to the police;

Mr Wolters said: “We are grateful to the SAT.1 team for sharing certain findings with the public prosecutor's office. There are witnesses who might prefer to speak to the media than to us or the police. If this produces any ideas, we will of course follow these up.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-search-evidence-b2003693.html

I know for a fact that Christian Brueckner is an evil man.

I know for a fact there are individuals who seek to exonerate his culpability for that because of hatred.

I know for a fact that hatred is directed towards the family of a missing child whose fate they hope will never be revealed is the driving force behind those individuals.

Do not presume to pontificate to me about the rubbish printed in newspapers when you yourself are the author of so much rubbish printed on the internet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 09:36:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 30, 2022, 08:27:37 PM
You do realise that much of what you read in the newspapers is rubbish? These 'witnesses' may never have spoken to the police;

Mr Wolters said: “We are grateful to the SAT.1 team for sharing certain findings with the public prosecutor's office. There are witnesses who might prefer to speak to the media than to us or the police. If this produces any ideas, we will of course follow these up.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-search-evidence-b2003693.html
speaking to the police does not immediately confer credibility to the witness and newspapers have done much to help bring criminals to justice over the years, as HCW hints at in his comment above.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 30, 2022, 10:47:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 09:36:37 PM
speaking to the police does not immediately confer credibility to the witness and newspapers have done much to help bring criminals to justice over the years, as HCW hints at in his comment above.

There's a precedent in this case of people talking to the press instead of the police. I have wondered if cheque book journalism encourages it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2022, 11:12:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 30, 2022, 10:47:48 PM
There's a precedent in this case of people talking to the press instead of the police. I have wondered if cheque book journalism encourages it.
The only person I know of in this case who has profited from talking to the press is Goncalo Amaral who actually set a rate iirc.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2022, 11:22:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 30, 2022, 11:12:42 PM
The only person I know of in this case who has profited from talking to the press is Goncalo Amaral who actually set a rate iirc.

Yep, this is a fact.  Although I can't remember how much that was.  But it wasn't cheap.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 02:20:45 AM

I do not believe in Evil.  There is Spite and Wickedness and Perversion and even Envy, but these are choices, possibly brought about by circumstances.  But choices nevertheless and to be pitied. 

Evil by it's definition is inborn and I do not believe that this is  inborn in the human race.  It is The Devil.  And I don't believe in Him either, any more than I believe in A God.

Choices.  This is what it is all about.  You can choose to be unkind or choose not to be.  And I am really sorry if you choose to be unkind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2022, 09:05:55 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 30, 2022, 07:24:15 PM
Some people can hardly bear to read what this horrible individual and his mates got up to ~ what their fantasies were for the little ones they hadn't yet caught ~ the realities for some of those they had and the unbearable implications for Madeleine had she indeed been one of those who had fallen into Brueckner's vile hands.

Some posters here do their best to turn events of this magnitude into a comedy routine and when that bores them revert to denial and ridicule of the very real efforts being made to bust this worldwide evildoing being perpetrated by the most evil men and women of which it is possible to imagine.

If even one iota of the information which is now being released about Brueckner is true - ridicule isn't going to make it go away or any the less palatable.

I see a desperation among some becoming more and more pronounced and I have to say it perplexes me.  It is beyond my understanding why hatred for Madeleine and her family translates to putting oneself into the corner of a reprobate such as Brueckner.

I see the beloved harbinger of your truth is locked to edit out violations of terms of service that need to be removed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 09:11:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 09:05:55 AM
I see the beloved harbinger of your truth is locked to edit out violations of terms of service that need to be removed.
What a ridiculously facetious comment IMO. 

One of the "websleuths" had apparently unmasked the ID of one of Bruckner's paedo associates and were sharing the details be PM, I think that's why the thread was locked. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2022, 09:26:34 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 09:11:00 AM
What a ridiculously facetious comment IMO. 

One of the "websleuths" had apparently unmasked the ID of one of Bruckner's paedo associates and were sharing the details be PM, I think that's why the thread was locked.

Where did they get the info you have to ask, they're as bad as the rest if its from dodgy sources.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 09:38:29 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 09:26:34 AM
Where did they get the info you have to ask, they're as bad as the rest if its from dodgy sources.
Snooping online and social media by the look of it.  It's what "websleuths" do - have you never watched "Don't f..k With Cats?"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 10:00:42 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 09:05:55 AM
I see the beloved harbinger of your truth is locked to edit out violations of terms of service that need to be removed.

I was reading that thread and it was very disturbing, especially as it's mostly speculation imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2022, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 10:00:42 AM
I was reading that thread and it was very disturbing, especially as it's mostly speculation imo.

Yet you condone the speculation  on CMOMM..
I dont find CMOMM disturbing.. More laughable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 10:00:42 AM
I was reading that thread and it was very disturbing, especially as it's mostly speculation imo.
I would suggest steering clear of WS if it disturbs you so much, obviously not for those of a delicate disposition. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 10:20:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2022, 10:09:36 AM
Yet you condone the speculation  on CMOMM..
I dont find CMOMM disturbing.. More laughable

Do CMOMM discuss the details of online chat about sexual abuse? The discussion was too detailed imo. Also, I'm not sure they should be trying to 'out' people. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 10:27:54 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 10:15:49 AM
I would suggest steering clear of WS if it disturbs you so much, obviously not for those of a delicate disposition.

I found it disturbing that there are people who want to concentrate on such subjects as child abuse. I have yet to see any evidence that those chatting on the dark web are connected with the Madeleine McCann case.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 31, 2022, 10:29:06 AM
A clip from tonight’s broadcast. https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ/news/vermisste-madeleine-mccann-der-tatverdaechtige-christian-b-aeussert-sich-exklusiv-in-sat-1-investigativ-neue-spuren-im-fall-maddie-106871
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2022, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: Anthro on January 31, 2022, 10:29:06 AM
A clip from tonight’s broadcast. https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ/news/vermisste-madeleine-mccann-der-tatverdaechtige-christian-b-aeussert-sich-exklusiv-in-sat-1-investigativ-neue-spuren-im-fall-maddie-106871


Does it play into the defences hands if something is exposed to the public that the prosecutors may rely on, given Wolters acknowledges that people are reluctant to speak to the police, or maybe its a case of they won't get their 15 minutes if not on camera.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 10:45:01 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 10:27:54 AM
I found it disturbing that there are people who want to concentrate on such subjects as child abuse. I have yet to see any evidence that those chatting on the dark web are connected with the Madeleine McCann case.
I think you need to face up to the very real possibility that Madeleine was subjected to such abuse and that the answer to her disappearance may very well lie in the darkest recesses of the internet, unpalatable as that may well be not just to you but to all of us.  Just because you've not seen any evidence of it (and why would you, unless you had gone looking for it) doesn't mean you can discount the possibility out of hand.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: Anthro on January 31, 2022, 10:29:06 AM
A clip from tonight’s broadcast. https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ/news/vermisste-madeleine-mccann-der-tatverdaechtige-christian-b-aeussert-sich-exklusiv-in-sat-1-investigativ-neue-spuren-im-fall-maddie-106871
I was only able to watch an advert for pet food. :-(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2022, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 10:47:15 AM
I was only able to watch an advert for pet food. :-(

A dogs dinner then it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2022, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 10:45:01 AM
I think you need to face up to the very real possibility that Madeleine was subjected to such abuse and that the answer to her disappearance may very well lie in the darkest recesses of the internet, unpalatable as that may well be not just to you but to all of us.  Just because you've not seen any evidence of it (and why would you, unless you had gone looking for it) doesn't mean you can discount the possibility out of hand.

Why would any normal person look for it save for being a police officer, what a vocation, looking at kiddie porn, they have a strong constitution you'd imagine. The problem is it doesn't stop it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 10:52:37 AM
Why would any normal person look for it save for being a police officer, what a vocation, looking at kiddie porn, they have a strong constitution you'd imagine. The problem is it doesn't stop it.
I agree, why would any civilian go looking for child abuse online but that is not what I am suggesting they were doing on Websleuths so I'm not sure why you are making this point?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2022, 11:10:41 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 11:08:59 AM
I agree, why would any civilian go looking for child abuse online but that is not what I am suggesting they were doing on Websleuths so I'm not sure why you are making this point?

So it just falls into your lap when researching someones contacts on the dark web ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 10:45:01 AM
I think you need to face up to the very real possibility that Madeleine was subjected to such abuse and that the answer to her disappearance may very well lie in the darkest recesses of the internet, unpalatable as that may well be not just to you but to all of us.  Just because you've not seen any evidence of it (and why would you, unless you had gone looking for it) doesn't mean you can discount the possibility out of hand.

I think it's premature to indulge in such detailed discussions. Time enough for that when there's evidence that something like that happened to Madeleine. What I said, by the way, is that I've seen no evidence that one of those chatting on the dark web was CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 11:10:41 AM
So it just falls into your lap when researching someones contacts on the dark web ?
I don't know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 11:17:35 AM
I think it's premature to indulge in such detailed discussions. Time enough for that when there's evidence that something like that happened to Madeleine. What I said, by the way, is that I've seen no evidence that one of those chatting on the dark web was CB.
So you are flat out calling HCW and the Germans liars then?  Strange.  Have you seen any evidence that he raped an old lady or exposed himself to young children?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 11:27:35 AM
I honestly believe that some sceptics simply cannot bear the thought of Madeleine being abducted by a paedophile and that is why they prefer to concentrate on the "parents dunnit" angle, because they find it more palatable somehow.  I suppose that's kind of understandable in a way, but it's still not fair to on the parents who are almost certainly not involved in Madeleine's disappearance IMO. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on January 31, 2022, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 10:47:15 AM
I was only able to watch an advert for pet food. :-(
It’s after the dog food ad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 11:42:40 AM
Quote from: Anthro on January 31, 2022, 11:31:35 AM
It’s after the dog food ad.
it didn't come on for me.

ETA: tried again and it worked so have seen it -  I just need to brush up on my German now, thanks!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2022, 11:47:22 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 11:27:35 AM
I honestly believe that some sceptics simply cannot bear the thought of Madeleine being abducted by a paedophile and that is why they prefer to concentrate on the "parents dunnit" angle, because they find it more palatable somehow.  I suppose that's kind of understandable in a way, but it's still not fair to on the parents who are almost certainly not involved in Madeleine's disappearance IMO.

No, it's just that I don't find Kate's gusty curtain dramatics convincing, & without Kate's curtains there's no abduction, paedos or otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 11:22:29 AM
So you are flat out calling HCW and the Germans liars then?  Strange.  Have you seen any evidence that he raped an old lady or exposed himself to young children?

Has Wolters mentioned him posting on the dark web?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2022, 11:47:22 AM
No, it's just that I don't find Kate's gusty curtain dramatics convincing, & without Kate's curtains there's no abduction, paedos or otherwise.

I'm not sure about the unlocked patio door either. There wasn't much agreement about which doors were used that week.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 12:31:06 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 12:23:26 PM
Has Wolters mentioned him posting on the dark web?

"Police across Europe are also looking into whether he had any involvement in unsolved disappearances or murders of children, or rapes of women.

Online chats discovered by police revealed chilling conversations between Brueckner and another person.

He told of his sick fantasy of kidnapping, raping and killing a girl, and boasted he would “document” the torture of a child.

He told how he wanted to “catch something little and use it for days” and, regarding the risk of being caight, added: “Meh, if the evidence is destroyed...”

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He also wrote: “Then I’ll record maaaany videos/clips. I’ll document in detail how she’s being tortured.”

The online chat was discovered by German police investigating the disappearance of five-year-old Inga Gehricke, who went missing in May 2015 - almost eight years to the day of Madeleine's disappearance - during a family outing in a forest in the state of Saxony-Anhalt".

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-believed-been-abused-22169188
No doubt you don't class this as evidence that CB was involved in dark web chatroom conversations. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 12:33:49 PM
"As it turns out Wolters and his team learned Brueckner was still operating in the darkest shadows of society. In 2013 he posted in a pedophile chat room on Skype.

Mark Hofmann: This was a Skype chat where he openly discussed his fantasies of torturing little children  and using them and raping them for a couple of days". 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-case-suspect-48-hours/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 12:37:13 PM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2022/01/29/madeleine-mccann-german-sex-offender-undertaker-shared-child-porn-with-chief-suspect-christian-brueckner/
The German documentary will shed more light on the chatroom conversations apparently.  The conversations some people on here don't want to believe happened it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2022, 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
I'm not sure about the unlocked patio door either. There wasn't much agreement about which doors were used that week.

There are so many issues regarding Madeleine's case which are quite perplexing. 
For example ... Sylvia Baptista was called at 10.30pm by Robin Crossland. I find it really odd how much she was involved in all this.
Seems like she was Head of maintenance, key holder, detective, translator and in on all the searches by Grime.

What police force would have a woman off the streets working on a police case, like this?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3271.msg189067#msg189067

But why at this stage in the proceedings do you think the patio door might be a feature?  I don't think the Germans have mentioned that when discussing the evidence to hand against their prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.
What new significance are you attaching to it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on January 31, 2022, 01:09:43 PM
As if anyone needed reminding... https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1127 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1127)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2022, 01:18:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
I'm not sure about the unlocked patio door either. There wasn't much agreement about which doors were used that week.
It seems the interpreters were confused
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
I'm not sure about the unlocked patio door either. There wasn't much agreement about which doors were used that week.
Any opportunity to derail a thread and bring it back to the McCanns!  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2022, 01:59:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 12:37:13 PM
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2022/01/29/madeleine-mccann-german-sex-offender-undertaker-shared-child-porn-with-chief-suspect-christian-brueckner/
The German documentary will shed more light on the chatroom conversations apparently.  The conversations some people on here don't want to believe happened it would seem.

German paedophile 'wrote about Madeleine McCann abduction in web chat room'
A former detective says investigators had in the past probed a German paedophile's chatroom activities before police announced a new prime suspect in the missing Madeleine McCann case

ByTalia ShadwellReporter
14:59, 4 Jun 2020

The Times reports a chatroom clue allegedly concerning a German man had previously emerged in the missing persons inquiry.

While the suspect has not been named, an investigator on the case had previously said the focus of the inquiry was on a German paedophile.

Goncalo Amaral, the head of the original Portuguese police investigation into the toddler's disappearance, said last year that detectives had looked into an Internet chatroom exchange.

According to the newspaper, Mr Amaral claimed that a German paedophile suspect had been ruled out of the inquiry in 2008.

The former detective described the man as later having been jailed in Germany for child sexual offences.

"Many years later, it appears that in an Internet chatroom there is a conversation between that person and another person where they talk about Madeleine," he said.

The prime suspect police revealed they are looking into last night is described as white with short blond hair, possibly fair, and about 6ft tall with a slim build at the time Maddie vanished on May 3, 2007.

British detectives have not named the suspect either.

The Metropolitan Police would say only that a 43-year-old German prisoner is now the prime suspect.

In 2013, Scotland Yard had said that a blond man had been sighted near the apartment where Maddie was taken from, where she was staying with parents Kate and Gerry McCann.

Yesterday evening detectives said the e-fit of the man that was released at the time had 'not been ruled out'.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-wrote-22136821
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 02:10:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 12:31:06 PM
"Police across Europe are also looking into whether he had any involvement in unsolved disappearances or murders of children, or rapes of women.

Online chats discovered by police revealed chilling conversations between Brueckner and another person.

He told of his sick fantasy of kidnapping, raping and killing a girl, and boasted he would “document” the torture of a child.

He told how he wanted to “catch something little and use it for days” and, regarding the risk of being caight, added: “Meh, if the evidence is destroyed...”

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He also wrote: “Then I’ll record maaaany videos/clips. I’ll document in detail how she’s being tortured.”

The online chat was discovered by German police investigating the disappearance of five-year-old Inga Gehricke, who went missing in May 2015 - almost eight years to the day of Madeleine's disappearance - during a family outing in a forest in the state of Saxony-Anhalt".

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-believed-been-abused-22169188
No doubt you don't class this as evidence that CB was involved in dark web chatroom conversations.

So your evidence is that the Daily Record said the German police discovered the online chat. OK.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 02:20:39 PM
Quote from: Myster on January 31, 2022, 01:09:43 PM
As if anyone needed reminding... https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1127 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1127)

I wish I hadn't watched that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 12:33:49 PM
"As it turns out Wolters and his team learned Brueckner was still operating in the darkest shadows of society. In 2013 he posted in a pedophile chat room on Skype.

Mark Hofmann: This was a Skype chat where he openly discussed his fantasies of torturing little children  and using them and raping them for a couple of days". 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-case-suspect-48-hours/

So Mark Hofmann said it. OK.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: Myster on January 31, 2022, 01:09:43 PM
As if anyone needed reminding... https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1127 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1127)

I note they said 'allegedly'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on January 31, 2022, 02:29:13 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2022, 11:47:22 AM
No, it's just that I don't find Kate's gusty curtain dramatics convincing, & without Kate's curtains there's no abduction, paedos or otherwise.

Why not?   It says at the start of Amaral's book that the nights were windy.

The net curtains under the checked ones were opened as was the window.   It was when the checked curtains blew open that Kate saw the net curtains and the window open.

Now what do you disagree with?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on January 31, 2022, 02:31:54 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 31, 2022, 01:59:58 PM
German paedophile 'wrote about Madeleine McCann abduction in web chat room'
A former detective says investigators had in the past probed a German paedophile's chatroom activities before police announced a new prime suspect in the missing Madeleine McCann case

ByTalia ShadwellReporter
14:59, 4 Jun 2020

The Times reports a chatroom clue allegedly concerning a German man had previously emerged in the missing persons inquiry.

While the suspect has not been named, an investigator on the case had previously said the focus of the inquiry was on a German paedophile.

Goncalo Amaral, the head of the original Portuguese police investigation into the toddler's disappearance, said last year that detectives had looked into an Internet chatroom exchange.

According to the newspaper, Mr Amaral claimed that a German paedophile suspect had been ruled out of the inquiry in 2008.

The former detective described the man as later having been jailed in Germany for child sexual offences.

"Many years later, it appears that in an Internet chatroom there is a conversation between that person and another person where they talk about Madeleine," he said.

The prime suspect police revealed they are looking into last night is described as white with short blond hair, possibly fair, and about 6ft tall with a slim build at the time Maddie vanished on May 3, 2007.

British detectives have not named the suspect either.

The Metropolitan Police would say only that a 43-year-old German prisoner is now the prime suspect.

In 2013, Scotland Yard had said that a blond man had been sighted near the apartment where Maddie was taken from, where she was staying with parents Kate and Gerry McCann.

Yesterday evening detectives said the e-fit of the man that was released at the time had 'not been ruled out'.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-wrote-22136821


I remember reading somewhere that when talking about getting rid of a body.   The person CB was talking to replied with m now they said it could have been meant as hmm as agreeing or it could have meant m for Madeleine.

Could be this person has now told them what it meant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 02:34:56 PM

Brueckner drove to Germany just a few days after Madeleine disappeared and that is a mighty long road.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 02:10:11 PM
So your evidence is that the Daily Record said the German police discovered the online chat. OK.
Oh behave!!  You really are in denial about this aren’t you?  I find that very odd indeed.  Do you think poor Christian Bruckener is being smeared and isn’t really into young girls at all or something?   Do you think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that a man with an enormous cache of child porn found on his property also frequented the Dark Web?  Gimme a break.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2022, 02:22:02 PM
So Mark Hofmann said it. OK.
So do you think he made it up then?  What would convince you there was evidence that CB had had this online chat?  Anything at all, or are you simply going to refuse to accept any news or media report on the subject as evidence until you’ve seen it with your own eyes and heard CB confess to it?  What is your understanding of the meaning of the word “evidence”?  Bet you refuse to answer as usual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 03:03:17 PM
Quote from: Lace on January 31, 2022, 02:31:54 PM

I remember reading somewhere that when talking about getting rid of a body.   The person CB was talking to replied with m now they said it could have been meant as hmm as agreeing or it could have meant m for Madeleine.

Could be this person has now told them what it meant.
I though he responded with”mm”…?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 03:17:07 PM

I begin to suspect that Wolters might actually have something, much as I would rather that he didn't. 

What sort of individual buries that amount of truly disgusting photos and videos?

Oh, we haven't seen them so we don't know if it is true.  And I very much doubt that we ever will.  The Judges will have to decide, if it ever comes to Court.  But The Sceptics could be on a good one here and no doubt The Forum will go on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2022, 03:29:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 03:17:07 PM
I begin to suspect that Wolters might actually have something, much as I would rather that he didn't. 

What sort of individual buries that amount of truly disgusting photos and videos?

Oh, we haven't seen them so we don't know if it is true.  And I very much doubt that we ever will.  The Judges will have to decide, if it ever comes to Court.  But The Sceptics could be on a good one here and no doubt The Forum will go on.

I've posted before about a guy round these parts who had over 250,00 images, over 2000 of the most serious, not once was he suspected of murder,  why is the leap that CB is ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 03:29:57 PM
I've posted before about a guy round these parts who had over 250,00 images, over 2000 of the most serious, not once was he suspected of murder,  why is the leap that CB is ?
Was he in PdL at the time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2022, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 03:50:14 PM
Was he in PdL at the time?

Was CB, no one seems to know, I'm just showing profiling isn't an exact science , ask Colin Stagg .

Herbito explains it well.

Criminal profiling can be considered part of predictive policing. And predictive policing, though very popular now, many times failed, because it is based on likelihoods, and is not 100% accurate. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 04:01:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 03:29:57 PM
I've posted before about a guy round these parts who had over 250,00 images, over 2000 of the most serious, not once was he suspected of murder,  why is the leap that CB is ?

Did he bury them under his dead dog?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 03:52:28 PM
Was CB, no one seems to know, I'm just showing profiling isn't an exact science , ask Colin Stagg .

Herbito explains it well.

Criminal profiling can be considered part of predictive policing. And predictive policing, though very popular now, many times failed, because it is based on likelihoods, and is not 100% accurate. 
I think we all know that not all paedophiles are murderers nor am I defending profiling as 100% accurate so not sure why you felt the need to make this point to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 04:01:40 PM
I think we all know that not all paedophiles are murderers nor am I defending profiling as 100% accurate so not sure why you felt the need to make this point to me.

I think Profilers are grandstanding and it shouldn't be allowed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2022, 04:15:51 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 04:01:13 PM
Did he bury them under his dead dog?
Still does not a murderer make, he's a deviant no doubt.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2022, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 03:29:57 PM
I've posted before about a guy round these parts who had over 250,00 images, over 2000 of the most serious, not once was he suspected of murder,  why is the leap that CB is ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2022, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 04:15:51 PM
Still does not a murderer make, he's a deviant no doubt.
Everything depends on what evidence the Germans have.... It may well make him a murderer
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2022, 05:14:43 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 31, 2022, 04:24:07 PM
Everything depends on what evidence the Germans have.... It may well make him a murderer

Except they don't have anything that proves he's a murderer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 31, 2022, 06:32:35 PM
Martin Brunt, no mention of murder.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-claims-it-would-have-been-absurd-for-him-to-have-abducted-her-12529606


German prosecutors believe he abducted Madeleine and have been building a case against him for three years, though they have not arrested or questioned him.

Eighteen months ago his lawyer Friedrich Fulscher stopped Christian B from corresponding with Sky News, but it's believed the suspect wrote out of frustration that his own denial had not been heard.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 07:18:39 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 06:32:35 PM
Martin Brunt, no mention of murder.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-claims-it-would-have-been-absurd-for-him-to-have-abducted-her-12529606


German prosecutors believe he abducted Madeleine and have been building a case against him for three years, though they have not arrested or questioned him.

Eighteen months ago his lawyer Friedrich Fulscher stopped Christian B from corresponding with Sky News, but it's believed the suspect wrote out of frustration that his own denial had not been heard.
I wonder why he hasn’t bothered to deny any of the other allegations, eg: the rape of the Irish woman?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2022, 07:21:32 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 31, 2022, 06:32:35 PM
Martin Brunt, no mention of murder.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-claims-it-would-have-been-absurd-for-him-to-have-abducted-her-12529606


German prosecutors believe he abducted Madeleine and have been building a case against him for three years, though they have not arrested or questioned him.

Eighteen months ago his lawyer Friedrich Fulscher stopped Christian B from corresponding with Sky News, but it's believed the suspect wrote out of frustration that his own denial had not been heard.

The documentary reveals a series of letters exchanged between investigative reporter Jutta Rabe and Brueckner, who is in a prison in Oldenburg, near Bremen.
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/maddie-mccann-suspect-releases-statement-from-prison-amid-intensive-investigations-314458


Brueckner didn't let the grass grow under his feet until he found himself new journalist pen pals at Bild and German TV channel SAT.1 despite his lawyer's advice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 07:56:37 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 31, 2022, 07:21:32 PM
The documentary reveals a series of letters exchanged between investigative reporter Jutta Rabe and Brueckner, who is in a prison in Oldenburg, near Bremen.
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/maddie-mccann-suspect-releases-statement-from-prison-amid-intensive-investigations-314458


Brueckner didn't let the grass grow under his feet until he found himself new journalist pen pals at Bild and German TV channel SAT.1 despite his lawyer's advice.
He’s obviously loving the attention IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2022, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 31, 2022, 07:21:32 PM
The documentary reveals a series of letters exchanged between investigative reporter Jutta Rabe and Brueckner, who is in a prison in Oldenburg, near Bremen.
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/maddie-mccann-suspect-releases-statement-from-prison-amid-intensive-investigations-314458


Brueckner didn't let the grass grow under his feet until he found himself new journalist pen pals at Bild and German TV channel SAT.1 despite his lawyer's advice.

I'm not really sure a summary denial of an offence he isn't charged with will be particularly damaging to the defence he isn't going to need, but yeah.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2022, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 07:56:37 PM
He’s obviously loving the attention IMO.

Good for him.

If he writes a book I'm buying it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 08:05:31 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2022, 08:01:20 PM
Good for him.

If he writes a book I'm buying it.

Can I borrow it when you've done?

Thanks in advance.  xx
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 08:16:50 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 08:05:31 PM
Can I borrow it when you've done?

Thanks in advance.  xx
Don’t they have bog roll in France?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2022, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 08:16:50 PM
Don’t they have bog roll in France?

Only on Sale or Return.  But you have to buy it first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2022, 08:55:12 PM
Thanks to Sal from STM

olive press

Nicole Fehlinger with Brueckner
And in a hard-hitting TV documentary to be shown on Germany’s Sat.1 tonight, she refused to discuss claims that she tipped him off over various crimes, including the abduction of Madeleine.

While her own father Dieter Fehlinger revealed his suspicions – and knew about her boyfriend’s claims of drug-dealing and smuggling children – she would not be drawn.

Despite angrily refusing all attempts to interview her for the documentary, she did tell the Mail: “I have nothing to do with the disappearance and am not involved in the case. I was his lover, not his accomplice.”

In the carefully controlled interview, with various subjects off-limits, she admitted she had started dating Brueckner in December 2006, the month he got out of a Portuguese prison for theft.

Introduced by some German friends, she confirmed he regularly stayed at her rented home, Villa Bianca, where she lived with her young daughter and a series of orphaned teenagers she was paid to look after.

As the Olive Press revealed last year, they were not treated well and one of them ran away for 11 days only to be brought back by Christian Brueckner pregnant.

More suspiciously, Fehlinger – who was born in the same month and town in Germany as Brueckner – admitted she HAD spoken to her boyfriend on the night Maddie vanished.

German Tv Madeleine Mccann 2
German reporters approached Nicole Fehlinger for Sat.1 TV show
She confirmed they had spoken by phone but she was vague about his movements AND exactly where he was coming from and to.

Or if she saw him later that night.

While she did not confirm if this was the critical 30-minute conversation someone had with Brueckner in Praia da Luz at 7.30pm just hours before Maddie vanished, she revealed he did ‘drive his winnebago’ van on a long five-hour journey that night.

This must be the same Tiffin Allegro Bay RV that Brueckner had told Fehlinger’s father, that year, he could smuggle 50kg of marijuana or a ‘small child’ adding: ‘nobody can catch you’.

She said Brueckner had rung to say he would be driving his winnebago to Foral from the town of Tomar, 341 kms north (at least a five-hour drive).

Winnebago Motorhome
Tiffin Allegro Bay RV used by Brueckner
But she added that she didn’t remember if he had arrived at their shared home that night.

“I don’t know if he came late that night and parked his vehicle outside and slept in there, and left that morning again, or he did not turn up,” she said.

She added that Brueckner had pointedly speculated what might have happened to Madeleine in the ensuing days.

He told her Madeleine was probably taken by ‘the underworld’, which must mean a p.a.e.dophile network, while adding ‘the police will never find her’.

Police have twice investigated and shut down p.a.e.dophile rings in the northern Portuguese town of Tomar over the last 15 years, one centering around a priest and another a lawyer.

She added: “Looking back, his behaviour did not change and he did not look suspicious after Maddie disappeared – but he is a person who was good at hiding his feelings.”

A source at the Sat.1 TV documentary said: “She is definitely covering herself and being very selective with what she does and doesn’t reveal.

“The German police are certainly closely exploring her links to Brueckner and his crimes.”

The 17-times convicted s-e-x offender, who is currently spending seven years in prison for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz, is expected to be charged with three more crimes in February.

German police are ‘100% certain’ that he snatched Madeleine, while they will charge him with the rape of Irish girl, Hazel Behan, having left a fingerprint in her apartment.

They will also charge him with the sexual assault of a 10-year-old near Praia da Luz a month before Madeleine went missing and of four children, in 2017, in Messines, near Foral.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 01, 2022, 07:46:48 AM
Doubt that an English translation of the latest Deutsch TV investigation will ever make it across la Manche... damn Brexit!...

https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ (https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ)

Just have to make do with Amaral, that pi$$poor, attention-seeking ex-cop showing his ugly mug and side again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uENS_msoPk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uENS_msoPk)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2022, 08:45:37 AM
I have zero sympathy for CB and total respect for Wolters.
Wolters may well solve a case that seemed unsolvable and he needs to use every avenue to do that.
Yes CB is undergoing trial by media and its his own fault if he does not put up any defence... Perhaps he's guilty and doesn't have one. I think this is all part of Wolters clever stratagy.
If CB wants the sympathy of the public he needs to be honest.. Who was he on the phone to... Where was he on the night of May 3

If he doesnt like the accusations against him and he's innocent... He can destroy Wolters in court.. Its up to him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 08:53:30 AM
Quote from: Myster on February 01, 2022, 07:46:48 AM
Doubt that an English translation of the latest Deutsch TV investigation will ever make it across la Manche... damn Brexit!...

https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ (https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ)

Just have to make do with Amaral, that pi$$poor, attention-seeking ex-cop showing his ugly mug and side again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uENS_msoPk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uENS_msoPk)

Oh God, I haven't got to start learning German now, have I?

OMG;  That poor little dog.  No wonder he doesn't understand that peeing in the house is verboten.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 01, 2022, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2022, 08:45:37 AM
I have zero sympathy for CB and total respect for Wolters.
Wolters may well solve a case that seemed unsolvable and he needs to use every avenue to do that.
Yes CB is undergoing trial by media and its his own fault if he does not put up any defence... Perhaps he's guilty and doesn't have one. I think this is all part of Wolters clever stratagy.
If CB wants the sympathy of the public he needs to be honest.. Who was he on the phone to... Where was he on the night of May 3

If he doesnt like the accusations against him and he's innocent... He can destroy Wolters in court.. Its up to him


Ask the girlfriend where CB was on the day of the 3rd of May when she didn't see him.   Did she ask him how he could afford his huge camper van?    It doesn't add up to me,  she's not telling the whole truth.   She said she was dating him all week but then she doesn't see him on the day that Madeleine disappears.  That should ring bells.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 01, 2022, 08:59:43 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 31, 2022, 03:03:17 PM
I though he responded with”mm”…?

I can't find where I read it can you?   It could well have been mm.   Who replies like that?  Very suspicious.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 01, 2022, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 08:59:43 AM
I can't find where I read it can you?   It could well have been mm.   Who replies like that?  Very suspicious.
I last read it on the Websleuths forum on the thread which has been closed.  I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 01, 2022, 09:22:22 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 08:59:43 AM
I can't find where I read it can you?   It could well have been mm.   Who replies like that?  Very suspicious.

It's a direct translation of the webchat which appears on WS - it's grim reading but it does refer to "mm" .  Panikspatz is the undertaker that the "sleuths" on WS appeared to have uncovered.

panikspatz66 (xxx) hi
Wahnsinnderholger (herald money) how's it going?;-)
panikspatz66 (xxx) very good
panikspatz66 (xxx) and you
Wahnsinnderholger (herald money) very good??? bad for me, finally I want to f** a little one!
panikspatz66 (xxx) yes, who doesn't want that
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) do you have new movies?
panikspatz66 (xxx) no unfortunately not yet unfortunately. I hardly had time during the week
Wahnsinnderholger (herald money) ok. Sending small movies like this is dangerous anyway
panikspatz66 (xxx) correct
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) catch something small and use it for days, that would be it...
panikspatz66 (xxx)...is not harmless either
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) oh, if the evidence is destroyed afterwards...
panikspatz66 (xxx) mm
Wahnsinnderholger (herald money) if, for example, the d****t lasted too long... ;-)
Wahnsinnderholger (herald money) has this now scared you off
panikspatz66 (xxx) no, why
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) because you didn't answer (report/get in touch)
panikspatz66 (xxx) I made myself a coffee

wahnsinnderholger (herald money) you come from
panikspatz66 (xxx) … southern Baden
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) ... where is that?
panikspatz66 (xxx) In the far southwest
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) hm, so far away, I'm in northern Germany
panikspatz66 (xxx) yes, exactly the other end of germany
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) it is unfortunately so...
panikspatz66 (xxx) i actually wanted to go to hamburg for 2 days in november, but i can't
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) hm, what a pity, when then?
panikspatz66 (xxx) possibly in the spring then
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) ui, it's still a long time, but we'll keep in touch
panikspatz66 (xxx) logical, maybe you (will have) caught a little one during that time
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) but you don't have any of that, sadly
panikspatz66 (xxx) sadly
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) if so, then i'll shoot a loooot of small movies...hehe
panikspatz66 (xxx) oh yeah do that
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) I will document exactly how she is tortured...
panikspatz66 (xxx) cool
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) well let's see, not only talk but also action! hehe
panikspatz66 (xxx);-)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 01, 2022, 09:24:02 AM
Question: could a paedophile undertaker be an asset in getting rid of a small body so that it is never discovered again?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2022, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 08:57:03 AM

Ask the girlfriend where CB was on the day of the 3rd of May when she didn't see him.  Did she ask him how he could afford his huge camper van?    It doesn't add up to me,  she's not telling the whole truth.   She said she was dating him all week but then she doesn't see him on the day that Madeleine disappears.  That should ring bells.

Why should she ? - not really her business.

Could be he was out of town on 'business' that day - who knows ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 01, 2022, 09:25:50 AM
There's an interesting part here about phone masts some of which appear to be positioned directly on the roof of a hotel complex? in the centre of Luz, not on the outskirts.  The interviewee is a British ex-pat who seems knowledgeable about them, but the combined mish-mash of voices makes it hard to understand what is being said...

https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ/video/12-das-raetsel-um-das-telefon-von-christian-b-clip (https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ/video/12-das-raetsel-um-das-telefon-von-christian-b-clip)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2022, 09:28:08 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 08:59:43 AM
I can't find where I read it can you?   It could well have been mm.   Who replies like that?  Very suspicious.

Depends on how mm was said.
Was it emm emm, which would indicate initials  or was it umm  as in hesitation or uncertainty?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 01, 2022, 09:37:27 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 01, 2022, 09:28:08 AM
Depends on how mm was said.
Was it emm emm, which would indicate initials  or was it umm  as in hesitation or uncertainty?
I think if that was in reference to the actual MM, then there'd be additional reference to it directly after.
But it doesn't even register any response. It looks like a 'mmm'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 01, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
Quote from: Myster on February 01, 2022, 09:25:50 AM
There's an interesting part here about phone masts some of which appear to be positioned directly on the roof of a hotel complex? in the centre of Luz, not on the outskirts.  The interviewee is a British ex-pat who seems knowledgeable about them, but the combined mish-mash of voices makes it hard to understand what is being said...

https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ/video/12-das-raetsel-um-das-telefon-von-christian-b-clip (https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ/video/12-das-raetsel-um-das-telefon-von-christian-b-clip)

Shining-in-luz.

"the ping man told there is a reach to 6 km from the pdl tower. but i think he meant diametrical. he thinks you could only be 5 minutes out if your phone pinged"


I am the "ping man", and I know for a fact that the Luz Vodafone mast covers around 6km to the east, and 6km to the west.


I also know for a fact that the main road in Luz covers this E W range, and it takes just 5 minutes to get from the extreme east, or the extreme west, to the McCann's apartment, because the apartment is in the centre.  We use that road often.


The Vodafone phone mast does NOT cover the north.  That is picked up by Almadena and Lagos.


There are no phone records covering to the south, so I cannot tell you how far out to sea you can pick up the signal from that mast.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 01, 2022, 09:49:03 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 01, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
Shining-in-luz.

"the ping man told there is a reach to 6 km from the pdl tower. but i think he meant diametrical. he thinks you could only be 5 minutes out if your phone pinged"


I am the "ping man", and I know for a fact that the Luz Vodafone mast covers around 6km to the east, and 6km to the west.


I also know for a fact that the main road in Luz covers this E W range, and it takes just 5 minutes to get from the extreme east, or the extreme west, to the McCann's apartment, because the apartment is in the centre.  We use that road often.


The Vodafone phone mast does NOT cover the north.  That is picked up by Almadena and Lagos.


There are no phone records covering to the south, so I cannot tell you how far out to sea you can pick up the signal from that mast.
Who is that in the video?  He sounds Scottish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 01, 2022, 09:50:05 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 01, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
Shining-in-luz.

"the ping man told there is a reach to 6 km from the pdl tower. but i think he meant diametrical. he thinks you could only be 5 minutes out if your phone pinged"


I am the "ping man", and I know for a fact that the Luz Vodafone mast covers around 6km to the east, and 6km to the west.


I also know for a fact that the main road in Luz covers this E W range, and it takes just 5 minutes to get from the extreme east, or the extreme west, to the McCann's apartment, because the apartment is in the centre.  We use that road often.


The Vodafone phone mast does NOT cover the north.  That is picked up by Almadena and Lagos.


There are no phone records covering to the south, so I cannot tell you how far out to sea you can pick up the signal from that mast.
where is this from and when did SIL become the "Ping Man"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 01, 2022, 09:50:54 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 01, 2022, 09:28:08 AM
Depends on how mm was said.
Was it emm emm, which would indicate initials  or was it umm  as in hesitation or uncertainty?
I've posted the context in which it was written, it's not clear in what sense it was meant, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 01, 2022, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 08:59:43 AM
I can't find where I read it can you?   It could well have been mm.   Who replies like that?  Very suspicious.
This is a screenshot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2022, 10:24:47 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 08:53:30 AM
Oh God, I haven't got to start learning German now, have I?

OMG;  That poor little dog.  No wonder he doesn't understand that peeing in the house is verboten.

              Had to laugh!!!  (https://clipground.com/images/dackel-clipart-5.jpg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2022, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 08:57:03 AM

Ask the girlfriend where CB was on the day of the 3rd of May when she didn't see him.   Did she ask him how he could afford his huge camper van?    It doesn't add up to me,  she's not telling the whole truth.   She said she was dating him all week but then she doesn't see him on the day that Madeleine disappears.  That should ring bells.

Making the attempt to interview her certainly put the wind up Jon Clarke: my opinion ~ she has a story to tell. 

What I'm finding interesting is the amount of contact Brueckner has been having with journalists and not so much what he is saying, but what he is not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2022, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 01, 2022, 09:24:02 AM
Question: could a paedophile undertaker be an asset in getting rid of a small body so that it is never discovered again?

Perish the thought!

But Brueckner is pretty cock sure that no physical evidence will be found connecting him to Madeleine.  Then again he must have thought that after the Behan rape despite all the forensically aware continual clean up throughout (as described by Hazel).

It also calls to mind the rather intriguing scenario presented by Amaral with his description of the alleged body disposal in an area not particularly blesses with crematoria.  Why did he come up with that one?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 11:19:34 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 01, 2022, 10:56:00 AM
Perish the thought!

But Brueckner is pretty cock sure that no physical evidence will be found connecting him to Madeleine.  Then again he must have thought that after the Behan rape despite all the forensically aware continual clean up throughout (as described by Hazel).

It also calls to mind the rather intriguing scenario presented by Amaral with his description of the alleged body disposal in an area not particularly blesses with crematoria.  Why did he come up with that one?

Maybe because he didn't abduct her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 01, 2022, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 01, 2022, 09:22:22 AM
It's a direct translation of the webchat which appears on WS - it's grim reading but it does refer to "mm" .  Panikspatz is the undertaker that the "sleuths" on WS appeared to have uncovered.

panikspatz66 (xxx) hi
Wahnsinnderholger (herald money) how's it going?;-)
panikspatz66 (xxx) very good
panikspatz66 (xxx) and you
Wahnsinnderholger (herald money) very good??? bad for me, finally I want to f** a little one!
panikspatz66 (xxx) yes, who doesn't want that
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) do you have new movies?
panikspatz66 (xxx) no unfortunately not yet unfortunately. I hardly had time during the week
Wahnsinnderholger (herald money) ok. Sending small movies like this is dangerous anyway
panikspatz66 (xxx) correct
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) catch something small and use it for days, that would be it...
panikspatz66 (xxx)...is not harmless either
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) oh, if the evidence is destroyed afterwards...
panikspatz66 (xxx) mm
Wahnsinnderholger (herald money) if, for example, the d****t lasted too long... ;-)
Wahnsinnderholger (herald money) has this now scared you off
panikspatz66 (xxx) no, why
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) because you didn't answer (report/get in touch)
panikspatz66 (xxx) I made myself a coffee

wahnsinnderholger (herald money) you come from
panikspatz66 (xxx) … southern Baden
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) ... where is that?
panikspatz66 (xxx) In the far southwest
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) hm, so far away, I'm in northern Germany
panikspatz66 (xxx) yes, exactly the other end of germany
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) it is unfortunately so...
panikspatz66 (xxx) i actually wanted to go to hamburg for 2 days in november, but i can't
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) hm, what a pity, when then?
panikspatz66 (xxx) possibly in the spring then
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) ui, it's still a long time, but we'll keep in touch
panikspatz66 (xxx) logical, maybe you (will have) caught a little one during that time
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) but you don't have any of that, sadly
panikspatz66 (xxx) sadly
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) if so, then i'll shoot a loooot of small movies...hehe
panikspatz66 (xxx) oh yeah do that
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) I will document exactly how she is tortured...
panikspatz66 (xxx) cool
wahnsinnderholger (herald money) well let's see, not only talk but also action! hehe
panikspatz66 (xxx);-)


Yes that's it thanks VS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 01, 2022, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 01, 2022, 09:24:56 AM
Why should she ? - not really her business.

Could be he was out of town on 'business' that day - who knows ?

Oh ok,   so you date someone see them all week apart from one day and you don't ask where they are going, what they are doing?   I don't believe that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 01, 2022, 11:28:29 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 01, 2022, 09:28:08 AM
Depends on how mm was said.
Was it emm emm, which would indicate initials  or was it umm  as in hesitation or uncertainty?

It was mm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 11:30:54 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 11:28:29 AM
It was mm

Mm. Interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2022, 11:42:36 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 11:27:43 AM
Oh ok,   so you date someone see them all week apart from one day and you don't ask where they are going, what they are doing?   I don't believe that.

Moving the goal posts I see. The question you posed was about how could he afford the van, not about where he was going.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 01, 2022, 12:19:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 08:53:30 AM
Oh God, I haven't got to start learning German now, have I?

OMG;  That poor little dog.  No wonder he doesn't understand that peeing in the house is verboten.
That flew over my head!  I didn't realise you were referring to an advert... Right?  I use three adblockers to stop them on YouTube and other websites... they're the bane of my life!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 01, 2022, 12:27:08 PM
I spoke too soon.  The Sat.1 investigation is now on YouTube in 4 parts. Still in German but at least you can add English subtitles...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hz7Ypnbj_s&t=0s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hz7Ypnbj_s&t=0s)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0mxRtz4VjE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0mxRtz4VjE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6rgn-aeOS0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6rgn-aeOS0)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7UglvsYIDA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7UglvsYIDA)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2022, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 01, 2022, 12:19:53 PM
That flew over my head!  I didn't realise you were referring to an advert... Right?  I use three adblockers to stop them on YouTube and other websites... they're the bane of my life!
Nope ~ it refers to the love of Eleanor's life ~ AKA O'Connor, her wee Dachshund.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 01, 2022, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 01, 2022, 12:32:02 PM
Nope ~ it refers to the love of Eleanor's life ~ AKA O'Connor, her wee Dachshund.
Ah, Ok... I get it now!   My bad, as they say in the USA.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 01, 2022, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 01, 2022, 11:42:36 AM
Moving the goal posts I see. The question you posed was about how could he afford the van, not about where he was going.

I'm not moving any goal post.  I was replying to your message saying this -

Could be he was out of town on 'business' that day - who knows

Who knows?  Well his girlfriend for one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 01, 2022, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 11:30:54 AM
Mm. Interesting.

Exactly you would follow it with a remark not just type mm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 01:07:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 01, 2022, 12:32:02 PM
Nope ~ it refers to the love of Eleanor's life ~ AKA O'Connor, her wee Dachshund.

The German Frankfurter with an Irish Name and born in France.  No wonder he is permanently confused.  Poor little soul.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 01:09:26 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 01:00:21 PM
Exactly you would follow it with a remark not just type mm.

I wouldn't know, I've never been in a paedo chat room.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 01, 2022, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 12:59:36 PM
I'm not moving any goal post.  I was replying to your message saying this -

Could be he was out of town on 'business' that day - who knows

Who knows?  Well his girlfriend for one.
'I'm going snatching and killing kids, love. I might see you tomorrow if I don't get caught'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 01, 2022, 01:15:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 01:09:26 PM
I wouldn't know, I've never been in a paedo chat room.
Looks like someone's took one for the team. Or more.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2022, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 12:59:36 PM
I'm not moving any goal post.  I was replying to your message saying this -

Could be he was out of town on 'business' that day - who knows

Who knows? Well his girlfriend for one.

Not necessarily, he could have said ' can't see you tomorrow, away on business'

If I've got the right girlfriend, they'd only been together for a few days, so they wouldn't really have had any close ties.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: The General on February 01, 2022, 01:14:04 PM
'I'm going snatching and killing kids, love. I might see you tomorrow if I don't get caught'.

Meet you back in the underground lair at your secret property.

P.S, we're getting low on milk & tuna, send Joana to the shops xxx
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 01, 2022, 01:17:07 PM
Not necessarily, he could have said ' can't see you tomorrow, away on business'

If I've got the right girlfriend, they'd only been together for a few days, so they wouldn't really have had any close ties.

Mayhap she was the scapegoat alibi.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 01:23:46 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Meet you back in the underground lair at your secret property.

P.S, we're getting low on milk & tuna, send Joana to the shops xxx

Sorry.  I just had to laugh at this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 01, 2022, 01:26:15 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Meet you back in the underground lair at your secret property.

P.S, we're getting low on milk & tuna, send Joana to the shops xxx
I would hun, but she was my first snatchee rofl x x
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2022, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 01:22:32 PM
Mayhap she was the scapegoat alibi.

Maybe.
I've not been following this as intently as others, but could she be the one with the phone in PDL and he's the 'other end' away in Tomar or wherever ?  That would be a good alibi.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 02:26:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 01, 2022, 02:12:30 PM
Maybe.
I've not been following this as intently as others, but could she be the one with the phone in PDL and he's the 'other end' away in Tomar or wherever ?  That would be a good alibi.

I must admit that I am a bit bemused as well.  But a good alibi for whom, and how?

Oh, I see.  She's twiddling her thumbs in PdL with Brueckner's phone because she is lonely, while he's miles away.  She only has to say so, of course.  But then so does he.

If you ask me he has no alibi.  But I am slightly passed caring.  The Germans will have to sort this out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2022, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 02:26:19 PM
I must admit that I am a bit bemused as well.  But a good alibi for whom, and how?

Oh, I see.  She's twiddling her thumbs in PdL with Brueckner's phone because she is lonely, while he's miles away.  She only has to say so, of course.  But then so does he.

If you ask me he has no alibi.  But I am slightly passed caring.  The Germans will have to sort this out.

I think they've got it well sussed, Eleanor.  I don't think Brueckner is quite as clever as he thinks he is.  He has slipped up in the past and left traces of his presence behind.  All it took was for someone to look for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 01, 2022, 03:13:28 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 01:09:26 PM
I wouldn't know, I've never been in a paedo chat room.

Why would you have to be in a paedo chat room?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 01, 2022, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: The General on February 01, 2022, 01:14:04 PM
'I'm going snatching and killing kids, love. I might see you tomorrow if I don't get caught'.


I bet she asked and would know what the answer was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 01, 2022, 03:15:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 01, 2022, 01:17:07 PM
Not necessarily, he could have said ' can't see you tomorrow, away on business'

If I've got the right girlfriend, they'd only been together for a few days, so they wouldn't really have had any close ties.

Isn't she the one he helped with the children?   Weird set up if you ask me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 01, 2022, 03:26:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 02:26:19 PM
I must admit that I am a bit bemused as well.  But a good alibi for whom, and how?

Oh, I see.  She's twiddling her thumbs in PdL with Brueckner's phone because she is lonely, while he's miles away.  She only has to say so, of course.  But then so does he.

If you ask me he has no alibi.  But I am slightly passed caring.  The Germans will have to sort this out.

The issue is who can positively say under oath CB was in Luz that night, if no one can then you'll realise the issues the BKA have in not having spoken to him, beyond reasonable doubt, not at the moment thats for sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2022, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 01, 2022, 03:26:05 PM
The issue is who can positively say under oath CB was in Luz that night, if no one can then you'll realise the issues the BKA have in not having spoken to him, beyond reasonable doubt, not at the moment thats for sure.

Depends what evidence they have
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 01, 2022, 03:36:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2022, 03:34:25 PM
Depends what evidence they have

Circumstantial , thats from Wolters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 03:37:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 01, 2022, 03:26:05 PM
The issue is who can positively say under oath CB was in Luz that night, if no one can then you'll realise the issues the BKA have in not having spoken to him, beyond reasonable doubt, not at the moment thats for sure.

Even if he was in Luz, what does that prove? He lived there ffs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2022, 03:42:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 01, 2022, 03:26:05 PM
The issue is who can positively say under oath CB was in Luz that night, if no one can then you'll realise the issues the BKA have in not having spoken to him, beyond reasonable doubt, not at the moment thats for sure.

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here.

The BKA don't need to speak to Brueckner - they don't have to, it seems they have all they need to be going on with.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2022, 03:43:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 01, 2022, 03:36:16 PM
Circumstantial , thats from Wolters.

Vague, second-hand alleged confession & the assumption Maddie was actually abducted in the first place. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 01, 2022, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 03:14:23 PM

I bet she asked and would know what the answer was.
I bet she didn't. But it's odd how 'supporters' are all clammering for information about his movements, so they're willing to accept her account of this 'missing day', yet she hasn't stated that they fled in haste across the border in his newly registered Jag. Cherry picking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2022, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 01, 2022, 03:15:39 PM
Isn't she the one he helped with the children?   Weird set up if you ask me.

No idea, he seems to have had many girlfriends and I find it  decidedly unhelpful when they are referred to by initials only.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2022, 04:20:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 01, 2022, 03:36:16 PM
Circumstantial , thats from Wolters.

Circumstantial can be enough to convict.... Again. It depends what it is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2022, 05:22:48 PM

Beyond Reasonable Doubt isn't as straightforward as some might think.  "Reasonable" is the key word.  So what is "Reasonable?"

The Law does not state, "Beyond Doubt."

Perhaps someone would like to comment on what is Reasonable.  But probably not.  It is a bit complicated.  You need a brain and a bit of logic to do that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2022, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: The General on February 01, 2022, 03:47:38 PM
I bet she didn't. But it's odd how 'supporters' are all clammering for information about his movements, so they're willing to accept her account of this 'missing day', yet she hasn't stated that they fled in haste across the border in his newly registered Jag. Cherry picking.

It's not cherry picking. What evidence am I ignoring. I've been saying for over 12 moths Wolters will have checked all his known friends for an alibi.. Its seems this confirms I'm absolutely right... He doesn't seem to have one.. Red flag
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2022, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: The General on February 01, 2022, 03:47:38 PM
I bet she didn't. But it's odd how 'supporters' are all clammering for information about his movements, so they're willing to accept her account of this 'missing day', yet she hasn't stated that they fled in haste across the border in his newly registered Jag. Cherry picking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 02, 2022, 10:55:31 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 01, 2022, 06:08:22 PM
It's not cherry picking. What evidence am I ignoring. I've been saying for over 12 moths Wolters will have checked all his known friends for an alibi.. Its seems this confirms I'm absolutely right... He doesn't seem to have one.. Red flag
Well you didn't respond to the most pertinent point Beaker.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 02, 2022, 11:24:16 AM
Quote from: The General on February 02, 2022, 10:55:31 AM
Well you didn't respond to the most pertinent point Beaker.
Which part do you think I haven't replied to..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 02, 2022, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 02, 2022, 11:24:16 AM
Which part do you think I haven't replied to..
Personally I don't think you owe The General any sort of reply when he constantly tries to belittle and insult you as per the post you quoted. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 02, 2022, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 02, 2022, 11:29:55 AM
Personally I don't think you owe The General any sort of reply when he constantly tries to belittle and insult you as per the post you quoted.

The fact that he tries to belittle and insult me shows how in reality he admires.. Respects.... And begrudgingly thinks how much sense I post. People don't attack the weak and feeble minded
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 02, 2022, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 02, 2022, 12:05:25 PM
The fact that he tries to belittle and insult me shows how in reality he admires.. Respects.... And begrudgingly thinks how much sense I post. People don't attack the weak and feeble minded
It's very clear he has a "thing" for you that's for sure...  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 02, 2022, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 02, 2022, 12:10:53 PM
It's very clear he has a "thing" for you that's for sure...  @)(++(*
Homophobes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 02, 2022, 03:39:21 PM
Quote from: The General on February 01, 2022, 03:47:38 PM
I bet she didn't. But it's odd how 'supporters' are all clammering for information about his movements, so they're willing to accept her account of this 'missing day', yet she hasn't stated that they fled in haste across the border in his newly registered Jag. Cherry picking.

The missing day just happens to be the day Madeleine disappeared.   I don't believe her account I believe she knew where he was going.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 02, 2022, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 02, 2022, 03:39:21 PM
The missing day just happens to be the day Madeleine disappeared.   I don't believe her account I believe she knew where he was going.
Good for you.
Why in the name of Robert Falcon Scott would this seemingly normally adjusted woman go along with the abduction and murder of a child and simply hop back in the van the next day, then meander around Europe?
And if she was covering her complicity, then surely, even you, yes you, could see that she would ensure this 'missing day' was covered in her alibi.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 02, 2022, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 02, 2022, 03:39:21 PM
The missing day just happens to be the day Madeleine disappeared.   I don't believe her account I believe she knew where he was going.
She was the woman that was accused by her ex-friends  of taking part in the theft of a large sum of money is she not?  She doesn’t come across too well in Jon Clarke’s book iirc.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 02, 2022, 03:54:52 PM
Quote from: The General on February 02, 2022, 03:45:18 PM
Good for you.
Why in the name of Robert Falcon Scott would this seemingly normally adjusted woman go along with the abduction and murder of a child and simply hop back in the van the next day, then meander around Europe?
And if she was covering her complicity, then surely, even you, yes you, could see that she would ensure this 'missing day' was covered in her alibi.

Why would she even speak to police at all.

I'd lawyer up & say nothing.

Maybe she'd had enough of Brueckner abducting all the kids in the area & wanted to grass him up, but slowly & indirectly, years after the events, so she could buy a bit of time, hide evidence & backfill the paedo bunker.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 02, 2022, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 02, 2022, 03:53:47 PM
She was the woman that was accused by her ex-friends  of taking part in the theft of a large sum of money is she not?  She doesn’t come across too well in Jon Clarke’s book iirc.
ooof, another one. Wrong woman, but never mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 02, 2022, 04:04:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 02, 2022, 03:54:52 PM
Why would she even speak to police at all.

I'd lawyer up & say nothing.

Maybe she'd had enough of Brueckner abducting all the kids in the area & wanted to grass him up, but slowly & indirectly, years after the events, so she could buy a bit of time, hide evidence & backfill the paedo bunker.
She's obviously been paid for her input. But as you say, why bother at all.
If she's complicit, which is what some sporterz here are alleging, then she'd do the opposite.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 02, 2022, 04:14:37 PM
Ms Fehlinger recalls Brueckner ringing to say he would be driving his Winnebago campervan from the town of Tomar, 200 miles from the Algarve, to her home in Foral, 38 miles east of Praia da Luz, on the night Madeleine went missing,

While the most direct route would not have taken him through Praia da Luz, Ms Fehlinger does not recall him arriving at her house that night.

‘I don’t know if he came late that night and parked his vehicle outside and slept in there, and left that morning again, or he did not turn up,’ she said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html

The 'ex-lover' of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner today refused to answer questions about her, when challenged to tell the truth by MailOnline.

Nicole Fehlinger was accused by a Portuguese couple of tipping off Brueckner so he could steal a family’s life savings.

Neither Brueckner or Fehlinger have been arrested or charged with this offence and it is not known whether the allegations are credible.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536519/Pictured-Girlfriend-accomplice-McCann-suspect-seen-time-unmasked.html

Yep.  As I thought…
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 03, 2022, 07:22:59 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 02, 2022, 04:14:37 PM
Ms Fehlinger recalls Brueckner ringing to say he would be driving his Winnebago campervan from the town of Tomar, 200 miles from the Algarve, to her home in Foral, 38 miles east of Praia da Luz, on the night Madeleine went missing,

While the most direct route would not have taken him through Praia da Luz, Ms Fehlinger does not recall him arriving at her house that night.

‘I don’t know if he came late that night and parked his vehicle outside and slept in there, and left that morning again, or he did not turn up,’ she said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455723/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-obsessed-pre-pubescent-girls-says-ex-girlfriend.html

The 'ex-lover' of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner today refused to answer questions about her, when challenged to tell the truth by MailOnline.

Nicole Fehlinger was accused by a Portuguese couple of tipping off Brueckner so he could steal a family’s life savings.

Neither Brueckner or Fehlinger have been arrested or charged with this offence and it is not known whether the allegations are credible.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536519/Pictured-Girlfriend-accomplice-McCann-suspect-seen-time-unmasked.html

Yep.  As I thought…
Still the wrong woman, but keep digging.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 03, 2022, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: The General on February 02, 2022, 03:45:18 PM
Good for you.
Why in the name of Robert Falcon Scott would this seemingly normally adjusted woman go along with the abduction and murder of a child and simply hop back in the van the next day, then meander around Europe?
And if she was covering her complicity, then surely, even you, yes you, could see that she would ensure this 'missing day' was covered in her alibi.

In my opinion this woman and CB were a team.  I believe  she knew he was a drug trafficker,  CB admits he was a drug trafficker.   Do you think CB didn't know about child trafficking?    If she asked him what he was doing that day,  which she probably did,  he only had to reply and say something about drug trafficking or burglary.   How do you think it would look for her now if she said 'oh he told me he was doing drug trafficking or burglary on the night of the 3rd of May'   especially as CB mentioned to her father that his very large van was good for trafficking drugs or small children.  Now even you can see what I'm getting at surely.

As for not covering herself for the missing day,   in my opinion she doesn't want to related to CB now,  it is in her past.  Maybe she wants him to be prosecuted for Madeleine,   then he couldn't come back into her life.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 03, 2022, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 03, 2022, 10:33:10 AM
In my opinion this woman and CB were a team.  I believe  she knew he was a drug trafficker,  CB admits he was a drug trafficker.   Do you think CB didn't know about child trafficking?    If she asked him what he was doing that day,  which she probably did,  he only had to reply and say something about drug trafficking or burglary.   How do you think it would look for her now if she said 'oh he told me he was doing drug trafficking or burglary on the night of the 3rd of May'   especially as CB mentioned to her father that his very large van was good for trafficking drugs or small children.  Now even you can see what I'm getting at surely.

As for not covering herself for the missing day,   in my opinion she doesn't want to related to CB now,  it is in her past.  Maybe she wants him to be prosecuted for Madeleine,   then he couldn't come back into her life.

So where were they getting all these children he was trafficking?

Have a significant number of children gone missing from Luz?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 03, 2022, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 03, 2022, 10:33:10 AM
In my opinion this woman and CB were a team.  I believe  she knew he was a drug trafficker,  CB admits he was a drug trafficker.   Do you think CB didn't know about child trafficking?    If she asked him what he was doing that day,  which she probably did,  he only had to reply and say something about drug trafficking or burglary.   How do you think it would look for her now if she said 'oh he told me he was doing drug trafficking or burglary on the night of the 3rd of May'   especially as CB mentioned to her father that his very large van was good for trafficking drugs or small children.  Now even you can see what I'm getting at surely.

As for not covering herself for the missing day,   in my opinion she doesn't want to related to CB now,  it is in her past.  Maybe she wants him to be prosecuted for Madeleine,   then he couldn't come back into her life.
... a team? Has anyone here actually checked this woman out? A team?
Apart from the libel, A TEAM?
She takes part in a documentary years later, drawing herself out of obscurity voluntarily, knowing some dude and his team of researchers are going to toddle off and investigate her claims to the end of the earth?
Of course, now I say it like that......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 03, 2022, 10:48:03 AM
Quote from: The General on February 03, 2022, 10:44:31 AM
... a team? Has anyone here actually checked this woman out? A team?
Apart from the libel, A TEAM?
She takes part in a documentary years later, drawing herself out of obscurity voluntarily, knowing some dude and his team of researchers are going to toddle off and investigate her claims to the end of the earth?
Of course, now I say it like that......

You're forgetting her obvious connections including Raymond Hewlett, Martin Ney, Murat, Malinka & Jeffrey Epstein.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 03, 2022, 10:55:19 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 03, 2022, 10:48:03 AM
You're forgetting her obvious connections including Raymond Hewlett, Martin Ney, Murat, Malinka & Jeffrey Epstein.
It's the Pizzagate brigade. The Flat Earth spanners. They've infiltrated all aspects of social media by their sheer weight of numbers and absence of cognition.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 03, 2022, 12:14:03 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 03, 2022, 10:33:10 AM
In my opinion this woman and CB were a team.  I believe  she knew he was a drug trafficker,  CB admits he was a drug trafficker.   Do you think CB didn't know about child trafficking?    If she asked him what he was doing that day,  which she probably did,  he only had to reply and say something about drug trafficking or burglary.   How do you think it would look for her now if she said 'oh he told me he was doing drug trafficking or burglary on the night of the 3rd of May'   especially as CB mentioned to her father that his very large van was good for trafficking drugs or small children.  Now even you can see what I'm getting at surely.

As for not covering herself for the missing day,   in my opinion she doesn't want to related to CB now,  it is in her past.  Maybe she wants him to be prosecuted for Madeleine,   then he couldn't come back into her life.
You're talking about NF, right?  The woman who was accused by two PT residents of working with CB to steal their life savings? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 04, 2022, 09:49:12 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 03, 2022, 12:14:03 PM
You're talking about NF, right?  The woman who was accused by two PT residents of working with CB to steal their life savings?

Yes
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 04, 2022, 10:08:49 AM
https://newsakmi.com/news/world/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckners-girlfriend-accomplice-is-finally-unmasked/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 04, 2022, 10:32:52 AM

Friday at Nine reported: ‘As in the Maddie case, the phone call took place just before the crime, signalling that the house was free.


Yeah, Brueckner recieved a call between 7:30 & 8:00, telling him the house was clear, after 9:00.

Brilliant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Ms Para glider on February 04, 2022, 03:12:44 PM
It's hilarious how people have the audicity to ridicule anyone who thinks that CB might be guilty and yet those same people praise Amaral and think his theory makes sense!?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 04, 2022, 03:40:15 PM
Quote from: Para2030 on February 04, 2022, 03:12:44 PM
It's hilarious how people have the audicity to ridicule anyone who thinks that CB might be guilty and yet those same people praise Amaral and think his theory makes sense!?


Ain't that the truth!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 04, 2022, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Para2030 on February 04, 2022, 03:12:44 PM
It's hilarious how people have the audicity to ridicule anyone who thinks that CB might be guilty and yet those same people praise Amaral and think his theory makes sense!?

Amaral's theory does make sense though, obviously not every detail, but overall seems perfectly reasonable to me.

I certainly haven't seen anything that eliminates the possibility anyway.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Ms Para glider on February 04, 2022, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 04, 2022, 04:01:14 PM
Amaral's theory does make sense though, obviously not every detail, but overall seems perfectly reasonable to me.

I certainly haven't seen anything that eliminates the possibility anyway.
He thinks their daughter died from falling off a sofa. I.e not the McCanns fault and therefore who would have faced little to no fallout from a prosecution POV by just reporting the accident. Listening service was available in other MW resorts so not like what they were doing was any different, certianly not illegal.

So what in your mind is so perfectly reasonable to stage some elaborate kidnapping to cover it up which they could end up in prison for and get all their mates to go along with it? That's insane!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 04, 2022, 04:29:37 PM
Quote from: Para2030 on February 04, 2022, 04:11:43 PM
He thinks their daughter died from falling off a sofa. I.e not the McCanns fault and therefore who would have faced little to no fallout from a prosecution POV by just reporting the accident. Listening service was available in other MW resorts so not like what they were doing was any different, certianly not illegal.

So what in your mind is so perfectly reasonable to stage some elaborate kidnapping to cover it up which they could end up in prison for and get all their mates to go along with it? That's insane!

You are wasting your breath with this one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 04, 2022, 05:18:50 PM
Quote from: Para2030 on February 04, 2022, 04:11:43 PM
He thinks their daughter died from falling off a sofa. I.e not the McCanns fault and therefore who would have faced little to no fallout from a prosecution POV by just reporting the accident. Listening service was available in other MW resorts so not like what they were doing was any different, certianly not illegal.

So what in your mind is so perfectly reasonable to stage some elaborate kidnapping to cover it up which they could end up in prison for and get all their mates to go along with it? That's insane!

Notice how I said I didn't agree with all the details of his theory, just the overall conclusion they were somehow involved & an abduction was staged.

I mean, if you know of anything definitive proving an abduction actually occurred, you're welcome to share it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 04, 2022, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Para2030 on February 04, 2022, 04:11:43 PM
He thinks their daughter died from falling off a sofa. I.e not the McCanns fault and therefore who would have faced little to no fallout from a prosecution POV by just reporting the accident. Listening service was available in other MW resorts so not like what they were doing was any different, certianly not illegal.

So what in your mind is so perfectly reasonable to stage some elaborate kidnapping to cover it up which they could end up in prison for and get all their mates to go along with it? That's insane!

Logic you see.  But Sceptics aren't known for this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 04, 2022, 05:26:42 PM
It seems CB has made a criminal complaint of defamation against the journalist in the recent German documentary.

He claims he wasn't responsible for the death of two dogs and that the police do not have dna or a fingerprint in the upcoming rape case...

He must think the rest of the accusations against him are fairly reasonable... Lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on February 04, 2022, 05:36:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on February 04, 2022, 05:26:42 PM
It seems CB has made a criminal complaint of defamation against the journalist in the recent German documentary.

He claims he wasn't responsible for the death of two dogs and that the police do not have dna or a fingerprint in the upcoming rape case...

He must think the rest of the accusations against him are fairly reasonable... Lol

He is perfectly entitled to raise a libel action, the fact that he is in prison is irrelevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 04, 2022, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: John on February 04, 2022, 05:36:13 PM
He is perfectly entitled to raise a libel action, the fact that he is in prison is irrelevant.

I totally agree... But you would think he would be more offended by Wolters claim he murdered Maddie than he was cruel to his dogs.. Why isn't he suing Wolters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 04, 2022, 06:06:47 PM

Cruel to his dogs?  Personally I doubt it.  But you never can tell with Psychopaths.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Ms Para glider on February 06, 2022, 12:13:51 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 04, 2022, 05:18:50 PM
Notice how I said I didn't agree with all the details of his theory, just the overall conclusion they were somehow involved & an abduction was staged.

I mean, if you know of anything definitive proving an abduction actually occurred, you're welcome to share it.

With the current evidence available, I can't 'prove' an abduction took place any more than you can 'prove' that one didn't. As you well know.

And when you say 'Amaral's theory does make sense but obviously not every detail', what you actually mean then is... 'Amaral's theory doesn't make sense'!

Because one of those 'details', that you're trying to pass off as some trivial flaw in his otherwise genius logic, was actually the main premise of his whole theory, wasn't it?

Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2022, 06:15:58 AM
Quote from: Para2030 on February 06, 2022, 12:13:51 AM
With the current evidence available, I can't 'prove' an abduction took place any more than you can 'prove' that one didn't. As you well know.

And when you say 'Amaral's theory does make sense but obviously not every detail', what you actually mean then is... 'Amaral's theory doesn't make sense'!

Because one of those 'details', that you're trying to pass off as some trivial flaw in his otherwise genius logic, was actually the main premise of his whole theory, wasn't it?

Thanks for clearing that up.

Amaral believed there was an accident, I think that was a mistake.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree they could be involved, that's a rare admission from a supporter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Ms Para glider on February 06, 2022, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2022, 06:15:58 AM
Amaral believed there was an accident, I think that was a mistake.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree they could be involved, that's a rare admission from a supporter.

I see. So when you said 'overall' his theory seems perfectly reasonable, what you actually meant was - when you just ignore the main parts of it, right? Like what actually happened to MM and the motive for it all.

Glad you agree that Amaral is an idiot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on February 06, 2022, 09:58:16 AM
Posters are reminded that a dim view is taken of any comment which could be seen as defamatory.

Please desist! TY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2022, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: John on February 06, 2022, 09:58:16 AM
Posters are reminded that a dim view is taken of any comment which could be seen as defamatory.

Please desist! TY
Why is it ok to describe Amaral’s theory but not Spam’s?  Just curious.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2022, 10:02:12 AM
Why is it ok to describe Amaral’s theory but not Spam’s?  Just curious.

The theory which you choose to describe as 'Amaral's' was actually a theory pursued by the official Portuguese investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. It's clearly documented as such in the released files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 06, 2022, 11:30:30 AM
The latest:

‘A documentary by the broadcaster Sat.1 provided new details in the Maddie McCann case. Now the suspect, who is currently in prison, has filed a complaint against one of the journalists’.

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/panorama/kriminalitaet/id_91606732/maddie-mccann-verdaechtiger-entfuehrer-klagt-gegen-tv-journalistin.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2022, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 11:26:49 AM
The theory which you choose to describe as 'Amaral's' was actually a theory pursued by the official Portuguese investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. It's clearly documented as such in the released files.
Kindly provide a link to where in the files it's documented that the police believed Madeleine fell off the sofa after an OD of Calpol and whose body was subsequently hidden for 23 days in a freezer before being transported in the back of the hire car, because I must have missed that bit. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2022, 11:44:02 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2022, 11:35:26 AM
Kindly provide a link to where in the files it's documented that the police believed Madeleine fell off the sofa after an OD of Calpol and whose body was subsequently hidden for 23 days in a freezer before being transported in the back of the hire car, because I must have missed that bit.

Ya.  Me Too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2022, 03:07:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 11:26:49 AM
The theory which you choose to describe as 'Amaral's' was actually a theory pursued by the official Portuguese investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. It's clearly documented as such in the released files.

You may promote that Amaral was merely the office boy (has to be that 'cos he was such rubbish as a filing clerk) who merely plagiarised the materials for his book and documentary ~ if you want to believe, that is entirely your prerogative.

By the way ~ you do know that Calpol is an analgesic not a sedative.

Anyway, your preferred scenario - as recorded in the files - could be described as negligence and or incompetence.

Amaral's more recent behaviour indicates something other than incompetence.

Who do you think is responsible for telling all and sundry on Saunokonoko's 2019 podcast about the imprisoned German Paedophile he billed as the latest patsy.

Who displayed the 'cartooned' graffitied van.

Who displayed the doctored photograph of the German patsy sporting the long unkempt hippie hair or dreadlocks while almost hysterically impressing on his audience that was Brueckner's look at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

Amaral did that.  All of Amaral's own volition.  All while he was a civilian with absolutely no locus in the German investigation into Brueckner which he spent his time since podcastgate2019 doing his level best to disrupt.

What excuse do you have for his behaviour in this one.  Who do you think is now giving Amaral his orders.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2022, 11:35:26 AM
Kindly provide a link to where in the files it's documented that the police believed Madeleine fell off the sofa after an OD of Calpol and whose body was subsequently hidden for 23 days in a freezer before being transported in the back of the hire car, because I must have missed that bit.

He thought, as did the investigation @ 10th September 2007, that Madeleine died accidentally, her body wasn't surrendered, and an abduction was staged.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 04:24:01 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 06, 2022, 03:07:20 PM
You may promote that Amaral was merely the office boy (has to be that 'cos he was such rubbish as a filing clerk) who merely plagiarised the materials for his book and documentary ~ if you want to believe, that is entirely your prerogative.

By the way ~ you do know that Calpol is an analgesic not a sedative.

Anyway, your preferred scenario - as recorded in the files - could be described as negligence and or incompetence.

Amaral's more recent behaviour indicates something other than incompetence.

Who do you think is responsible for telling all and sundry on Saunokonoko's 2019 podcast about the imprisoned German Paedophile he billed as the latest patsy.

Who displayed the 'cartooned' graffitied van.

Who displayed the doctored photograph of the German patsy sporting the long unkempt hippie hair or dreadlocks while almost hysterically impressing on his audience that was Brueckner's look at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

Amaral did that.  All of Amaral's own volition.  All while he was a civilian with absolutely no locus in the German investigation into Brueckner which he spent his time since podcastgate2019 doing his level best to disrupt.

What excuse do you have for his behaviour in this one.  Who do you think is now giving Amaral his orders.

I don't think Amaral needs an excuse. He has as much right to express his opinions as anyone else; a concept some seem to have trouble understanding and accepting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2022, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 04:20:01 PM
He thought, as did the investigation @ 10th September 2007, that Madeleine died accidentally, her body wasn't surrendered, and an abduction was staged.
And why is it OK to write all of that on this forum but not to write that Spam's theory is that the McCanns murdered Madeleine?  What substantially is the difference?  Is one theory libellous and the other one not?  Perhaps as John has gone away again you can explain?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2022, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 04:24:01 PM
I don't think Amaral needs an excuse. He has as much right to express his opinions as anyone else; a concept some seem to have trouble understanding and accepting.
Would he be allowed to express his opinion on this forum?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2022, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2022, 04:43:04 PM
Would he be allowed to express his opinion on this forum?

He couldn't get his book published in UK.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2022, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 04:24:01 PM
I don't think Amaral needs an excuse. He has as much right to express his opinions as anyone else; a concept some seem to have trouble understanding and accepting.

I don't see that publicising two false photographs in an deliberate attempt to interfere with an active police investigation comes anything close to "expressing an opinion".

Police had launched public appeals for information.   During that time Amaral used what propaganda power he still had to blatantly lie using faked up information to fool and mislead possible witnesses by disguising Brueckner's appearance.  About which you would still be arguing the toss had the actual video portraying what Brueckner actually looked like at the time of Madeleine's disappearance not been published..

Brueckner was and is the prime and only suspect in what the German Police are calling a child murder.

You and Amaral appear to have trouble understanding and accepting that the heady days of Amaral surfing from one TV studio to another promoting his narrative:  Neither do I think Amaral needs any excuse as far as Brueckner is concerned - I think his behaviour speaks for itself and warrants the appointment of a good lawyer.

Caveat to that would be ~ he would need a lawyer anywhere else in the civilised world depending on jurisdiction ~ but the Portuguese apparently had a stake in Brueckner too http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12294.msg676756#msg676756 so he actively interfered in their case too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 06:22:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2022, 04:41:01 PM
And why is it OK to write all of that on this forum but not to write that Spam's theory is that the McCanns murdered Madeleine?  What substantially is the difference?  Is one theory libellous and the other one not?  Perhaps as John has gone away again you can explain?

It has a source.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2022, 06:25:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 06:22:03 PM
It has a source.
Eh?  How does “having a source” make a difference?  Are you suggesting that “having a source” negates something as being libellous?  What utter rot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 06, 2022, 06:28:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 04:20:01 PM
He thought, as did the investigation @ 10th September 2007, that Madeleine died accidentally, her body wasn't surrendered, and an abduction was staged.

Based on an inability to understand the evidence...alerts and dna even though it was explainec to them by Grime.
As Almeida admitted...the main evidence against the McCanns was the alerts.....they clearly didnt listen or understand.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 06, 2022, 06:31:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 04:24:01 PM
I don't think Amaral needs an excuse. He has as much right to express his opinions as anyone else; a concept some seem to have trouble understanding and accepting.

More hypocrisy in your post. You object to my opinion on the dogs and grime on a regular basis. Amaral has no right to express  a libellous opinion. It has yet to be decided if his opinion is libellous
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2022, 06:25:19 PM
Eh?  How does “having a source” make a difference?  Are you suggesting that “having a source” negates something as being libellous?  What utter rot.

It's true that the investigation suspected the parents. Amaral's opinion was that it was correct to do so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2022, 07:54:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 07:14:04 PM
It's true that the investigation suspected the parents. Amaral's opinion was that it was correct to do so.
Congratulations for once again deflecting from the question asked, you are the forum champion at not giving a straight answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 06, 2022, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 07:14:04 PM
It's true that the investigation suspected the parents. Amaral's opinion was that it was correct to do so.
And its of totally no importance what amaral or the PJ thought. Most of us understand they didn't understand the evidence... How pathetic
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2022, 08:12:18 PM

Apart from Cristovao did any of the other members of The PJ write book or voice these opinions in public?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2022, 08:20:39 PM
I’d love to know on what basis the PJ decided it was an accident rather than deliberate when there was no evidence to support either theory. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2022, 08:25:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 06, 2022, 08:20:39 PM
I’d love to know on what basis the PJ decided it was an accident rather than deliberate when there was no evidence to support either theory.

Goncalo's get out of jail card.  Any mother of a young child would have done.  In My Opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2022, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2022, 07:14:04 PM
It's true that the investigation suspected the parents. Amaral's opinion was that it was correct to do so.

Amaral was saying in 2021 ~


Goncalo Amaral. The “fear” of Portuguese justice and the “lies” of German justice in the Maddie case
Oct 14, 2021 - 16:54 • Celso Paiva Sol

These children were medicated, or given to sleep, a medicine called Calpol, which is an antihistamine, which put them to sleep. The investigation has to know what is the relationship between taking this drug and the eventual death of the child. And for that we need the clinical history. We need to know if she had a problem.


It goes on to give a perfect illustration of the way in which this man misled and mishandled the initial investigation into Madeleine's disappearance and precisely the type of closed mind making the possible a foreign land not worthy of looking at.

If no-one bothers to look - it is highly likely that nothing will be found.  As happened in 2007.


In the book it is clear that he considers this investigation to have no credibility.

There is nothing to link the individual to Madeleine McCann.

Nothing.

Neither in the material that was found in the searches carried out in Germany, whether objects, machines, photographs, computers, computer things and not only, nor in what was seized by the Portuguese police inside the apartment where the child disappeared.

They can't put the individual inside that apartment. So what do they do?

https://rr.sapo.pt/noticia/pais/2021/10/15/goncalo-amaral-o-medo-da-justica-portuguesa-e-as-mentiras-da-justica-alema-no-caso-maddie/256864/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2022, 09:06:46 PM

Why is Amaral doing this?  Why is he telling such whopping great fibs?  Is it just for the money, or does he have another motive?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 07, 2022, 01:29:42 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 06, 2022, 03:07:20 PM
You may promote that Amaral was merely the office boy (has to be that 'cos he was such rubbish as a filing clerk) who merely plagiarised the materials for his book and documentary ~ if you want to believe, that is entirely your prerogative.

By the way ~ you do know that Calpol is an analgesic not a sedative.

Anyway, your preferred scenario - as recorded in the files - could be described as negligence and or incompetence.

Amaral's more recent behaviour indicates something other than incompetence.

Who do you think is responsible for telling all and sundry on Saunokonoko's 2019 podcast about the imprisoned German Paedophile he billed as the latest patsy.

Who displayed the 'cartooned' graffitied van.

Who displayed the doctored photograph of the German patsy sporting the long unkempt hippie hair or dreadlocks while almost hysterically impressing on his audience that was Brueckner's look at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

Amaral did that.  All of Amaral's own volition.  All while he was a civilian with absolutely no locus in the German investigation into Brueckner which he spent his time since podcastgate2019 doing his level best to disrupt.

What excuse do you have for his behaviour in this one.  Who do you think is now giving Amaral his orders.

Who do you think is now giving Amaral his orders?   Good question, Brie.   


Is he a puppet?
Is he a member of a fraternity?


Just why is he interfering in this case ?   There has to be a reason, IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 07, 2022, 07:04:51 AM
Quote from: sadie on February 07, 2022, 01:29:42 AM
Who do you think is now giving Amaral his orders?   Good question, Brie.   


Is he a puppet?
Is he a member of a fraternity?


Just why is he interfering in this case ?   There has to be a reason, IMO

Why are Jon Clarke, Mark Williams Thomas, and many journalists 'interfering' in the case? Is there some sinister reason for that too?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 07, 2022, 07:12:46 AM
Quote from: sadie on February 07, 2022, 01:29:42 AM
Who do you think is now giving Amaral his orders?   Good question, Brie.   


Is he a puppet?
Is he a member of a fraternity?


Just why is he interfering in this case ?   There has to be a reason, IMO
It's me.
He's the Glove Puppet, I'm working him from behind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 07, 2022, 09:51:26 AM
 CB was not thought to be of interest in 2013.

SCOTLAND YARD asked German investigators to look into the now-prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2013, but found "no reason" to believe he was involved in what could be a massive missed opportunity in the case.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1561860/madeleine-mccann-news-Scotland-yard-prime-suspect-Christian-b-interview-missed-opportunity
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on February 07, 2022, 06:31:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 07, 2022, 07:04:51 AM
Why are Jon Clarke, Mark Williams Thomas, and many journalists 'interfering' in the case? Is there some sinister reason for that too?
They are investigative journalists - that’s what they do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 07, 2022, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: Anthro on February 07, 2022, 06:31:56 PM
They are investigative journalists - that’s what they do.

And thank God for that, is all I can say.  No chance of Kate McCann falling down any Police Station Stairs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 07, 2022, 06:51:31 PM
There never was.

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 07, 2022, 06:58:19 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 07, 2022, 06:51:31 PM
There never was.

IMO

I know.  The British Ambassador wasn't stupid.  And too much  of that nonsense had happened before.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 07, 2022, 11:58:39 PM
Quote from: The General on February 07, 2022, 07:12:46 AM
It's me.
He's the Glove Puppet, I'm working him from behind.

I think I know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 08, 2022, 07:13:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 07, 2022, 06:44:04 PM
And thank God for that, is all I can say.  No chance of Kate McCann falling down any Police Station Stairs.
There's time yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 08, 2022, 07:14:16 AM
Quote from: sadie on February 07, 2022, 11:58:39 PM
I think I know that.
That's because I told you. In the post. I said it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 08, 2022, 07:18:37 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 07, 2022, 06:51:31 PM
There never was.

IMO
No stairs?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 08, 2022, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: The General on February 08, 2022, 07:14:16 AM
That's because I told you. In the post. I said it.
I think I have known it for a long time. 

That is some peoples style and some belong to a fraternity. 
Do you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 08, 2022, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: sadie on February 08, 2022, 12:36:32 PM
I think I have known it for a long time. 

That is some peoples style and some belong to a fraternity. 
Do you?

Do you, Sadie?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 08, 2022, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: sadie on February 08, 2022, 12:36:32 PM
I think I have known it for a long time. 

That is some peoples style and some belong to a fraternity. 
Do you?
Yes. We are legion. We are omniscient.
You will find our seat at  39.6015° or 39° 36' 5.3" north /  -8.4073° or 8° 24' 26.3" west
Therein cast your gaze toward the ornate circle window on the Summer Solstice.
The answer you seek will be illuminated on the stone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 08, 2022, 04:09:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 08, 2022, 01:41:53 PM
Do you, Sadie?

Do you think it is appropriate to rise to the off topic baiting of a member by a WUM?  Deal with such matters as you should and not joining in as you should not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 08, 2022, 08:12:37 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 08, 2022, 04:09:44 PM
Do you think it is appropriate to rise to the off topic baiting of a member by a WUM?  Deal with such matters as you should and not joining in as you should not.

How do you regard the question about belonging to a fraternity? I've seen no evidence of such a thing or of anyone here belonging to such a thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 09, 2022, 08:59:01 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 09, 2022, 08:55:40 AM
Those unable to discuss insult imo.
It's been noted. Shame, but some have to compensate in some way.
Keep on keeping on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on February 09, 2022, 12:36:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 09, 2022, 12:23:05 PM
Actually, we would all rather that you had something sensible to contribute.  But that isn't in your bag.  So why are you here?
Why are any of us here?
Frankel would have it that 'Ultimately, a person should not ask what the meaning of their life is, but rather must recognize that it is they themselves who are asked. In a word, each person is questioned by life; and they can only answer to life by answering for their own life; to life they can only respond by being responsible.'

Is this off topic?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on February 09, 2022, 12:40:51 PM
Members are reminded to post replies relative to the topic in hand and to refrain from criticising other members. TY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 09, 2022, 04:34:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 08, 2022, 01:41:53 PM
Do you, Sadie?

Soz, I am boring.

Do you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 09, 2022, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: sadie on February 09, 2022, 04:34:03 PM
Soz, I am boring.

Do you?

No, you aren't boring, Sadie.  Just stick in there.  This is what keeps us going in a world that wants The McCanns indicted.

This is never going to happen, but they will go on trying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 16, 2022, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on December 20, 2020, 02:18:23 PM
Perhaps you and other posters think Wolters is handling this whole investigation on his own.
I'm sure there is, a team of detectives who are collecting and collating evidence.  Part of this will be the phone calls.  Do you think Wolters is working it all out himself.  Wolters, will have been told the end result of the evidence and may not have asked for all the details.  In that respect he is acting as a spokesman for his team


From over a year ago
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 17, 2022, 07:56:58 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 16, 2022, 09:12:44 PM
From over a year ago

He is a spokesman for the Braunsweig prosecutors office. Does he have a team? I thought his colleague Ute Lindeman was involved. Brueckner called on them both to resign as I recall.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 17, 2022, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 17, 2022, 07:56:58 AM
He is a spokesman for the Braunsweig prosecutors office. Does he have a team? I thought his colleague Ute Lindeman was involved. Brueckner called on them both to resign as I recall.
Over a year ago you claimed he was a prosecutor not a spokesman... Its taken you over a year to understand what's going on
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 17, 2022, 08:48:40 AM
Quote from: Davel on February 17, 2022, 08:04:05 AM
Over a year ago you claimed he was a prosecutor not a spokesman... Its taken you over a year to understand what's going on

He's both.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 19, 2022, 01:27:14 PM
Well the weather nor Ukraine will keep a story down.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1568264/madeleine-mccann-news-clinching-piece-evidence-latest-revelations-Christian-b-suspect

‘Clinching piece of evidence’ still needed in Maddie case after latest revelations– expert
INVESTIGATORS still need to find a "clinching piece of evidence" in the Madeleine McCann disappearance that "seals the deal" against the prime suspect, despite the latest revelations, a missing persons expert has said.

Charlie Hedges, a former member of the UK police who previously was head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection unit at the National Crime Agency, explained that all the evidence against Christian B appeared circumstantial – a possible reason why German prosecutors have yet to bring charges. However, the new evidence coming to light about Christian B “are pieces of the jigsaw puzzle”.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 19, 2022, 02:40:33 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 19, 2022, 01:27:14 PM
Well the weather nor Ukraine will keep a story down.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1568264/madeleine-mccann-news-clinching-piece-evidence-latest-revelations-Christian-b-suspect

‘Clinching piece of evidence’ still needed in Maddie case after latest revelations– expert
INVESTIGATORS still need to find a "clinching piece of evidence" in the Madeleine McCann disappearance that "seals the deal" against the prime suspect, despite the latest revelations, a missing persons expert has said.

Charlie Hedges, a former member of the UK police who previously was head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection unit at the National Crime Agency, explained that all the evidence against Christian B appeared circumstantial – a possible reason why German prosecutors have yet to bring charges. However, the new evidence coming to light about Christian B “are pieces of the jigsaw puzzle”.
A complete non story if ever there was one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 19, 2022, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 19, 2022, 02:40:33 PM
A complete non story if ever there was one.

Madeleine the gift that keeps giving.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 05, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on February 19, 2022, 02:40:33 PM
A complete non story if ever there was one.

Here's another, mind might be something in procedural differences.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1574052/madeleine-mccann-dead-claim-raises-more-questions-kate-Gerry-Christian-b-suspect

Aagje Ieven, secretary general of Missing Children Europe,
She noted a recent case in which Belgian and Dutch police had disagreed on whether a case was a murder or an abduction, and said: “That sometimes has to do with very specific procedural legislation in the country.

“Some countries will say, ‘we’ll immediately assume the worst, and then phase it back from there’, and other countries will say, ‘we’ll take the lightest, the one thing that we are sure we can prove’.

“So that’s something where it could be that [the difference of opinion on Madeleine] has to do with different legislation, not necessarily different beliefs of what has happened in the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 05, 2022, 06:58:19 PM
Quote from: barrier on March 05, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
Here's another, mind might be something in procedural differences.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1574052/madeleine-mccann-dead-claim-raises-more-questions-kate-Gerry-Christian-b-suspect

Aagje Ieven, secretary general of Missing Children Europe,
She noted a recent case in which Belgian and Dutch police had disagreed on whether a case was a murder or an abduction, and said: “That sometimes has to do with very specific procedural legislation in the country.

“Some countries will say, ‘we’ll immediately assume the worst, and then phase it back from there’, and other countries will say, ‘we’ll take the lightest, the one thing that we are sure we can prove’.

“So that’s something where it could be that [the difference of opinion on Madeleine] has to do with different legislation, not necessarily different beliefs of what has happened in the case.


I seem to remember Wolters using the word 'assume' initially when he spoke of Madeleine being dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 05, 2022, 07:49:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 05, 2022, 06:58:19 PM
I seem to remember Wolters using the word 'assume' initially when he spoke of Madeleine being dead.

ive explained that several times.    Think Rui Pedro ....take things out of context and you will MAKE anomolies

The fact you raise this means you aren't up to speed with Wolters conclusions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 20, 2022, 09:04:28 AM
story in the Mirror today -

"Madeleine McCann investigation 'to end' after 11 years amid fears suspect won't be charged"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeline-mccann-investigation-end-after-26510591

An undisclosed source said 
“There are currently no plans to take the inquiry any further. The end of the road for Operation Grange is now in sight. The team’s work is expected to be completed by autumn.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 20, 2022, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: jassi on March 20, 2022, 09:04:28 AM
story in the Mirror today -

"Madeleine McCann investigation 'to end' after 11 years amid fears suspect won't be charged"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeline-mccann-investigation-end-after-26510591

An undisclosed source said 
“There are currently no plans to take the inquiry any further. The end of the road for Operation Grange is now in sight. The team’s work is expected to be completed by autumn.”

From the Sun.

German prosecutor Hans Wolters’ statements, that the authorities had “concrete evidence”, were misinterpreted here.The phrase, in German, means the police have tangible reasons to suspect someone and can legally question them.It does not mean hard proof as it does here.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18004401/madeleine-mccann-inquiry-end/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 20, 2022, 10:34:43 AM
Quote from: jassi on March 20, 2022, 09:04:28 AM
story in the Mirror today -

"Madeleine McCann investigation 'to end' after 11 years amid fears suspect won't be charged"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeline-mccann-investigation-end-after-26510591

An undisclosed source said 
“There are currently no plans to take the inquiry any further. The end of the road for Operation Grange is now in sight. The team’s work is expected to be completed by autumn.”

2017
https://expressdigest.com/hunt-for-madeleine-mccann-could-be-shelved-after-10-years/
2018
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6153495/Hunt-Madeleine-McCann-shelved-THREE-WEEKS-fear-missing-girls-parents.html
2019
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6870611/Doubts-cast-Madeleine-McCann-probe-continue-Mothers-Day.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 20, 2022, 10:53:40 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on March 20, 2022, 10:34:43 AM
2017
https://expressdigest.com/hunt-for-madeleine-mccann-could-be-shelved-after-10-years/
2018
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6153495/Hunt-Madeleine-McCann-shelved-THREE-WEEKS-fear-missing-girls-parents.html
2019
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6870611/Doubts-cast-Madeleine-McCann-probe-continue-Mothers-Day.html

Seems to be annual media click bait.

If the Met investigation has gone as far as it can it will be shut down as a matter of course.  While there is work to be done - it won't.

I think the BKA operate under a similar rule of thumb.  So let's just wait and see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 20, 2022, 12:27:55 PM
Bound to be right eventually.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 20, 2022, 12:52:57 PM
Why would the work continue until Autumn if they already knew there was no likelihood of progress or resolution?  Furthermore what about all those who said that the Met could not wind up the case as it would cause massive political fall-out and egg on face?  Will this do for the government what Covid and Partygate and all the other govt shitshows failed to achieve do you think?  (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 23, 2022, 11:14:48 AM
The latest.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-14-page-26534992
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 23, 2022, 11:28:06 AM
Quote from: Anthro on March 23, 2022, 11:14:48 AM
The latest.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-14-page-26534992
Jesus, where to begin with that article, apart from my laptop now having ebola.
'Jerry'? mwuhahahaa.....Springer, Seinfeld or Tom and?
5 minutes away?
I stopped reading due to paroxysms of laughter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 23, 2022, 11:37:24 AM
No mention of a source or indeed any indication that what was reported was in any way authenticated.

As for '5 minutes away' - even if he was nearby at 8pm when he took the  call, she was still alive and well at 9pm according to McCann and there seems nothing to show Breuckner  was just hanging around for an hour and more.


Must be a slow news day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 23, 2022, 12:03:05 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 23, 2022, 11:37:24 AM
No mention of a source or indeed any indication that what was reported was in any way authenticated.

As for '5 minutes away' - even if he was nearby at 8pm when he took the  call, she was still alive and well at 9pm according to McCann and there seems nothing to show Breuckner  was just hanging around for an hour and more.


Must be a slow news day.
Yes, as if there could possibly be anything remotely significant about the close proximity of a thief /rapist/child abuser to the last know location of a young child (a ground floor unlocked apartment), nothing to see here, move on, move on....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 23, 2022, 12:40:08 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 23, 2022, 12:03:05 PM
Yes, as if there could possibly be anything remotely significant about the close proximity of a thief /rapist/child abuser to the last know location of a young child (a ground floor unlocked apartment), nothing to see here, move on, move on....
Alleged proximity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 23, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: barrier on March 20, 2022, 09:53:25 AM
From the Sun.

German prosecutor Hans Wolters’ statements, that the authorities had “concrete evidence”, were misinterpreted here.The phrase, in German, means the police have tangible reasons to suspect someone and can legally question them.It does not mean hard proof as it does here.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18004401/madeleine-mccann-inquiry-end/

Do you know who is responsible for that rubbish...its old news...its the chap who has started a company finding people on fb by face recognition. He wants someone to pay him to conduct a search...he doesnt want MM to be deemed dead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 23, 2022, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on March 23, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Do you know who is responsible for that rubbish...its old news...its the chap who has started a company finding people on fb by face recognition. He wants someone to pay him to conduct a search...he doesnt want MM to be deemed dead
I know, it's like starting a company searching for dead people with a mystery box and a single human hair.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 23, 2022, 01:59:41 PM
The Express today, obviously takes no notice of the BKA,

After 11 years and £13million the Met Police say they are finally winding down the hunt for Madeleine McCann. And I say this even though Kate and Gerry McCann will be devastated - it's time. Madeleine, who was three when she was abducted, would be 19-years-old now - a woman. And it's only when you visualise that you realise how long this investigation has gone on without any credible evidence to say whether Madeleine is alive or dead.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1584735/Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-portugal-praia-de-luz
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 23, 2022, 02:34:10 PM
Quote from: The General on March 23, 2022, 11:28:06 AM
Jesus, where to begin with that article, apart from my laptop now having ebola.
'Jerry'? mwuhahahaa.....Springer, Seinfeld or Tom and?
5 minutes away?
I stopped reading due to paroxysms of laughter.

Says the believer in the unattributed media reports regarding Operation Grange. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 23, 2022, 02:42:16 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 23, 2022, 02:34:10 PM
Says the believer in the unattributed media reports regarding Operation Grange.
Show me. I've stated from the outset that it's a dubious source, but it looks like a mood barometer.
Actually it now looks like a full blown old grey whistle test, trying the concept out on an unsuspecting public.

However you seem happy with that Mirror article, with 'Jerry' (classic. I'm using that from here on in) front and centre, but I suppose the '5 minutes' dross fits your narrative.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 23, 2022, 04:07:51 PM
Quote from: The General on March 23, 2022, 02:42:16 PM
Show me. I've stated from the outset that it's a dubious source, but it looks like a mood barometer.
Actually it now looks like a full blown old grey whistle test, trying the concept out on an unsuspecting public.

However you seem happy with that Mirror article, with 'Jerry' (classic. I'm using that from here on in) front and centre, but I suppose the '5 minutes' dross fits your narrative.
nunderstand whatyoou are saying.


I have Just been interfered with yet again.

This Site is being seriously interfered with.  But I can't say that I care all that much anymore.

The McCanns will never be found guilty nor ever were.  Some of you are seriously ill.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 23, 2022, 04:16:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 23, 2022, 04:07:51 PM
nunderstand whatyoou are saying.


I have Just been interfered with yet again.

This Site is being seriously interfered with.  But I can't say that I care all that much anymore.

The McCanns will never be found guilty nor ever were.  Some of you are seriously ill.
I actually am. PTSD apparently. They measure your amygdala and hippocampus, proving that it's physical and psychological. Could be worse, so I don't tell anyone (except you right now - shhhh).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 23, 2022, 05:23:26 PM
Quote from: The General on March 23, 2022, 04:16:30 PM
I actually am. PTSD apparently. They measure your amygdala and hippocampus, proving that it's physical and psychological. Could be worse, so I don't tell anyone (except you right now - shhhh).

Really?  I was born into PTSD at the beginning of the last World War.  My Mother died of Tuberculosis and Daddy was off somewhere in India fighting Japs, or something.  I was just getting bombed.  So don't you give me a hard time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on March 23, 2022, 08:46:04 PM
I have decided to do a full moderator review given recent events and as it is badly overdue.

Anyone wishing to provide an input to this process please message me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 23, 2022, 11:21:28 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 23, 2022, 04:07:51 PM
nunderstand whatyoou are saying.


I have Just been interfered with yet again.

This Site is being seriously interfered with.  But I can't say that I care all that much anymore.

The McCanns will never be found guilty nor ever were.  Some of you are seriously ill.

Tell me again Eleanor.  They keep logging me out.   Whooshing my posts etc.   

So sorry that cheating stuff is affecting you.   What a thank you after all the work you have done for this forum.   &%^^


I agree some are seriously ill, unless it might be a ploy to get off future charges on that basis ?



Agreed,  The McCanns will never be found guilty nor ever were
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 23, 2022, 11:51:14 PM
Quote from: sadie on March 23, 2022, 11:21:28 PM
Tell me again Eleanor.  They keep logging me out.   Whooshing my posts etc.   

So sorry that cheating stuff is affecting you.   What a thank you after all the work you have done for this forum.   &%^^


I agree some are seriously ill, unless it might be a ploy to get off future charges on that basis ?



Agreed,  The McCanns will never be found guilty nor ever were

It's okay, Sadie and everything is fine.  I have just won The Jackpot for this week. I am no longer a Moderator.  It was so long ago that I have forgotten for why I took it on.

Yes, I have been having problems with The Forum, but we are not alone.

I am absolutely fine and I don't really care about horrid people who have never had any proof.  I don't understand them, but then I don't have to.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on March 24, 2022, 08:17:31 PM
Quote from: sadie on March 23, 2022, 11:21:28 PM
Tell me again Eleanor.  They keep logging me out.   Whooshing my posts etc.   

So sorry that cheating stuff is affecting you.   What a thank you after all the work you have done for this forum.   &%^^


I agree some are seriously ill, unless it might be a ploy to get off future charges on that basis ?



Agreed,  The McCanns will never be found guilty nor ever were

Nobody is logging you out Sadie, not even an admin can do that. Suggest you check out your device and software.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 27, 2022, 09:23:17 AM
HCW has said in no uncertain terms that if the public knew what he knew, they would be in no doubt as to CB's guilt. Hopefully and presumably that means that the BKA can and will deliver in a way that leaves no room for doubt and put an absolute end to any speculation surrounding the parents.

Interesting post from WS
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 27, 2022, 09:36:01 AM
Quote from: Davel on March 27, 2022, 09:23:17 AM
HCW has said in no uncertain terms that if the public knew what he knew, they would be in no doubt as to CB's guilt. Hopefully and presumably that means that the BKA can and will deliver in a way that leaves no room for doubt and put an absolute end to any speculation surrounding the parents.

Interesting post from WS

The parents brought about the situation by their own conduct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 27, 2022, 01:07:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on March 27, 2022, 09:36:01 AM
The parents brought about the situation by their own conduct.
Don’t be ridiculous please, there’s a love.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 27, 2022, 01:07:09 PM
Don’t be ridiculous please, there’s a love.

If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 27, 2022, 02:09:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 01:29:52 PM
If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?

In many crimes the victims create the opportunity...
Ben Needham.. Jamie Bulger.. Lots more

My post was on topic... Angelos and yours are not. I'm not bothered but it's hypocritical for mods not to stick to the forum rules. Imo bringing up the blame on the parents after 15.years is pathetic


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 27, 2022, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 01:29:52 PM
If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?
Who knows?  most kids abducted from their homes appear to have been taken while they’re primary carers were under the same roof. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 02:34:37 PM
Quote from: Davel on March 27, 2022, 02:09:18 PM
In many crimes the victims create the opportunity...
Ben Needham.. Jamie Bulger.. Lots more

My post was on topic... Angelos and yours are not. I'm not bothered but it's hypocritical for mods not to stick to the forum rules. Imo bringing up the blame on the parents after 15.years is pathetic

You mentioned the parents, not us. If Madeleine was abducted then my statement will always be true, no matter whether someone is convicted of abducting her or not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 27, 2022, 02:35:11 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 27, 2022, 02:29:53 PM
Who knows?  most kids abducted from their homes appear to have been taken while they’re primary carers were under the same roof.

No one wants to know that. Thank You and Goodbye.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 27, 2022, 02:37:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 02:34:37 PM
You mentioned the parents, not us. If Madeleine was abducted then my statement will always be true, no matter whether someone is convicted of abducting her or not.

No, your statement is not true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 27, 2022, 03:10:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 02:34:37 PM
You mentioned the parents, not us. If Madeleine was abducted then my statement will always be true, no matter whether someone is convicted of abducting her or not.
For your statement to be true you would have to demonstrate that the presence of parents under the same roof as a child absolutely prevents any possibility whatsoever of a child being taken by an abductor.  You will absolutely 100% be guaranteed to fail to prove this, ergo your statement is not always true. And that’s a fact!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 27, 2022, 03:26:08 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 27, 2022, 03:10:08 PM
For your statement to be true you would have to demonstrate that the presence of parents under the same roof as a child absolutely prevents any possibility whatsoever of a child being taken by an abductor.  You will absolutely 100% be guaranteed to fail to prove this, ergo your statement is not always true. And that’s a fact!

Absolutely a fact that Gunit's statement isn't true.  In fact it is nonsense.

This total lack of logical reasoning continues to leave me stunned.  But it might explain for why so many very silly people have no idea of what they are talking about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 03:36:20 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 27, 2022, 03:10:08 PM
For your statement to be true you would have to demonstrate that the presence of parents under the same roof as a child absolutely prevents any possibility whatsoever of a child being taken by an abductor.  You will absolutely 100% be guaranteed to fail to prove this, ergo your statement is not always true. And that’s a fact!

In this case I think it would be. How would an abductor gain entry?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 27, 2022, 03:41:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 03:36:20 PM
In this case I think it would be. How would an abductor gain entry?
How does any abductor gain entry into a home where a child is sleeping?  There have been several  incidents of children being taken from homes in which their parents were present.  You claimed this was not possible.  You are wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 27, 2022, 03:43:57 PM
We know that several children staying on the Algarve were molested by an intruder.  How did he get in?  Were the parents absent?  I don’t think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 27, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 02:34:37 PM
You mentioned the parents, not us. If Madeleine was abducted then my statement will always be true, no matter whether someone is convicted of abducting her or not.

If CB is convicted then had the PJ solved   the 2005 rape attack Maddie would still be alive
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 27, 2022, 03:52:58 PM

Quote from: John on March 24, 2022, 08:17:31 PM
Nobody is logging you out Sadie, not even an admin can do that. Suggest you check out your device and software.

1 am often being logged out John.   It usually happens when I change pages and is especially annoying after I have typed a researched  and fairly lengthy post, then I press post and it comes up that I am no longer logged in.


We are unable to to save our posts for storing off forum by copying, as the script has something in it that prevents copying.   The scripts roll up to half cover the typed line above, if you attempt to copy   This is a fairly new thing.   Maybe this only affects me, cos looks like I have solved the case ... and this is a forum set up to deride and undermine the Mccanns and supporters.   And to find out what they know.   Forewarned is forearmed.


Our past posts are being altered and that is a dangerous thing for all of us.   Please ensure that whoever is doing that is stopped and give us all a level playing field, John


Also make sure that the address of the page that you have up on your cmputer starts with  https.   


That S is very important for your security
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 27, 2022, 03:55:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 03:36:20 PM
In this case I think it would be. How would an abductor gain entry?

That is a silly question.  How do burglars gain entry?

There are at least three ways in which someone could have got into 5a without too much trouble.  Someone got into Mrs. Fenn's appartment on the floor above while she was watching television.

How do you manage to forget these things?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 27, 2022, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: Davel on March 27, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
If CB is convicted then had the PJ solved   the 2005 rape attack Maddie would still be alive

This is a really awful thought.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 27, 2022, 04:02:37 PM
Similar could be said about the Yorkshire Ripper, or indeed any serial offender.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 27, 2022, 04:08:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 01:29:52 PM
If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?

No, not necessarily.

Here in the UK we had a little girl abducted from her bath.  her family were in the house.  She was driven a short distance away, sexually abused, then released naked to find her own way home  - IIRC she was picked up by a caring person who loooked after her whilst calling the Police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 27, 2022, 04:20:16 PM
Quote from: Davel on March 27, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
If CB is convicted then had the PJ solved   the 2005 rape attack Maddie would still be alive

If, buts and maybe's best wait until something substantial  happens.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 27, 2022, 06:27:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 27, 2022, 03:55:50 PM
That is a silly question.  How do burglars gain entry?

There are at least three ways in which someone could have got into 5a without too much trouble.  Someone got into Mrs. Fenn's appartment on the floor above while she was watching television.

How do you manage to forget these things?
And CB is known as ‘the climber’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 27, 2022, 03:41:54 PM
How does any abductor gain entry into a home where a child is sleeping?  There have been several  incidents of children being taken from homes in which their parents were present.  You claimed this was not possible.  You are wrong.

I'm not talking about other cases, I'm talking about the McCann case. If the McCanns or a babysitter were present, before 10pm, how would an abductor get in, go into the children's bedroom then exit with Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 27, 2022, 07:04:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 06:42:33 PM
I'm not talking about other cases, I'm talking about the McCann case. If the McCanns or a babysitter were present, before 10pm, how would an abductor get in, go into the children's bedroom then exit with Madeleine?

You need to start a new thread..... Then you will realise what a pathetic post this is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 27, 2022, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 06:42:33 PM
I'm not talking about other cases, I'm talking about the McCann case. If the McCanns or a babysitter were present, before 10pm, how would an abductor get in, go into the children's bedroom then exit with Madeleine?
I thought you didn’t approve of speculation?  But I can think of a couple of scenarios in which it could be executed.  If a child molestor can enter a sleeping child’s holiday bedroom with the parents under the same roof what special circumstances would you imagine would be present in this case to make such an occurrence impossible?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 08:36:38 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 27, 2022, 07:16:02 PM
I thought you didn’t approve of speculation?  But I can think of a couple of scenarios in which it could be executed.  If a child molestor can enter a sleeping child’s holiday bedroom with the parents under the same roof what special circumstances would you imagine would be present in this case to make such an occurrence impossible?

It's speculation to suggest that Madeleine could have been taken from 5A before 10pm. I'm asking how this imaginary scenario would actually work.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 27, 2022, 08:59:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 08:36:38 PM
It's speculation to suggest that Madeleine could have been taken from 5A before 10pm. I'm asking how this imaginary scenario would actually work.

There is nothing imaginary about Madeleine's disappearance; there is nothing imaginary about the number of intervening years since then; there is nothing imaginary about the existence of local to Luz Brueckner.

There is nothing imaginary that predatory paedophiles are capable of entering properties to remove children from them

The above imaginary scenario you have posted is a figment of your imagination.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 27, 2022, 08:59:15 PM
There is nothing imaginary about Madeleine's disappearance; there is nothing imaginary about the number of intervening years since then; there is nothing imaginary about the existence of local to Luz Brueckner.

There is nothing imaginary that predatory paedophiles are capable of entering properties to remove children from them

The above imaginary scenario you have posted is a figment of your imagination.

It's no figment of my imagination; it has been suggested that Madeleine could have been abducted even if adults were in 5A at the time. I say that wasn't possible before 10pm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 27, 2022, 10:05:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 01:29:52 PM
If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?

You seem to have misunderstood your own post.. The fact is Maddie could still have been abducted before 10 even if an adult had nbeen present p
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 27, 2022, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 08:36:38 PM
It's speculation to suggest that Madeleine could have been taken from 5A before 10pm. I'm asking how this imaginary scenario would actually work.
Use your imagination, it’s really not difficult.  Use other similar cases to help you if you have difficulties.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 27, 2022, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 09:14:20 PM
It's no figment of my imagination; it has been suggested that Madeleine could have been abducted even if adults were in 5A at the time. I say that wasn't possible before 10pm.

It is nonsense to suggest that it would be impossible for Madeleine to have been abducted while adults were present in the apartment.

It flies in the face of firm documented evidence that such events do happen as in the instance below when this little boy was lifted from his bed by a stranger while adult guardians were in the house.

Not only did he gain entry once.  He did so twice.

(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/05/NINTCHDBPICT000654259224-5.jpg?w=1860)
This is Cash being abducted from his bed where he was sleeping beside his twin brother

Cash was brutally murdered. The intruder returned to take his twin brother but fortunately was disturbed and ran off.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12126.msg655700#msg655700

There is no definitive time for Madeleine to have been taken all we know is that she was taken between the last visual check by her father and the discovery of her absence by her mother.

As the 'German Suspect' who is the topic of the thread why do you seem to think Brueckner would have been incapable of entering premises particularly unlocked ones.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 10:53:48 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 27, 2022, 10:25:12 PM
Use your imagination, it’s really not difficult.  Use other similar cases to help you if you have difficulties.

Making suggestions is easy. Making them believable isn't quite so simple, is it? An abductor couldn't have taken Madeleine before 10pm if her parents or a babysitter had been present. Therefore her parent's decision to leave their children home alone clearly created the conditions needed if an abduction took place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 27, 2022, 10:59:26 PM

An early night after a hard day on the tennis court and a couple of glasses of wine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 27, 2022, 11:10:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 10:53:48 PM
Making suggestions is easy. Making them believable isn't quite so simple, is it? An abductor couldn't have taken Madeleine before 10pm if her parents or a babysitter had been present. Therefore her parent's decision to leave their children home alone clearly created the conditions needed if an abduction took place.

Your posts are becoming more and more obsessive in your antipathy towards Madeleine's parents to the point where you appear to be incapable of posting on topic.

The topic of this thread is "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance."

As far as I am led to believe that is Brueckner and if he or any other convicted paedophile is responsible for abducting Madeleine the blame for that is ENTIRELY theirs.  It is way beyond time you stopped blaming the victims of crime and turned your attention to perpetrators or suspected perpetrators.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 27, 2022, 11:18:29 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 27, 2022, 11:10:49 PM
Your posts are becoming more and more obsessive in your antipathy towards Madeleine's parents to the point where you appear to be incapable of posting on topic.

The topic of this thread is "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance."

As far as I am led to believe that is Brueckner and if he or any other convicted paedophile is responsible for abducting Madeleine the blame for that is ENTIRELY theirs.  It is way beyond time you stopped blaming the victims of crime and turned your attention to perpetrators or suspected perpetrators.

This is never going to happen.  I did once hope that it would, but it remains the last ditch and will always remain so.  Even with someone else convicted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on March 27, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 09:14:20 PM
It's no figment of my imagination; it has been suggested that Madeleine could have been abducted even if adults were in 5A at the time. I say that wasn't possible before 10pm.

Would you please explain why you don't believe an abduction would have been possible before 10pm if the parents were present.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 27, 2022, 11:49:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 10:53:48 PM
Making suggestions is easy. Making them believable isn't quite so simple, is it? An abductor couldn't have taken Madeleine before 10pm if her parents or a babysitter had been present. Therefore her parent's decision to leave their children home alone clearly created the conditions needed if an abduction took place.
Your post is rendered nonsensical by the fact that children have been taken from homes or interfered by strangers while their guardians or parents were under the same roof. .  What special conditions existed in 5a to make this an impossiblity?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 28, 2022, 04:06:58 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 27, 2022, 11:49:53 PM
Your post is rendered nonsensical by the fact that children have been taken from homes or interfered by strangers while their guardians or parents were under the same roof. .  What special conditions existed in 5a to make this an impossiblity?

It isn't nonsensical.  It is just downright illogical and unkind.

There is a slither of British parents who think that they are perfect.  Although God knows why.  I certainly wasn't.  I can only wonder what damage they inflicted on their children in the process of protecting them.

It certainly isn't possible to protect all of Earth's Children against deviants, of which Brueckner was undoubtedly one.

But I find it very hard to believe that Brueckner would have gone to such risky lengths to steal a child just to kill her. 

It doesn't make sense when he could have snatched a child from the streets.

There is much more to this than we are ever likely to know.

In fact Brueckner could be the scapegoat who did the dirty work for others.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 06:28:48 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 27, 2022, 10:39:13 PM
It is nonsense to suggest that it would be impossible for Madeleine to have been abducted while adults were present in the apartment.

It flies in the face of firm documented evidence that such events do happen as in the instance below when this little boy was lifted from his bed by a stranger while adult guardians were in the house.

Not only did he gain entry once.  He did so twice.

(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/05/NINTCHDBPICT000654259224-5.jpg?w=1860)
This is Cash being abducted from his bed where he was sleeping beside his twin brother

Cash was brutally murdered. The intruder returned to take his twin brother but fortunately was disturbed and ran off.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12126.msg655700#msg655700

There is no definitive time for Madeleine to have been taken all we know is that she was taken between the last visual check by her father and the discovery of her absence by her mother.

As the 'German Suspect' who is the topic of the thread why do you seem to think Brueckner would have been incapable of entering premises particularly unlocked ones.

It was suggested that Madeleine McCann was abducted before 10pm on 3rd May 2007. If so, then the presence of her parents or a babysitter would have prevented it. It was possible only because the children were alone in an unlocked apartment.

Your example was quite different as adults were present, but, given the time of the abduction, the adults were asleep.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 28, 2022, 06:53:37 AM
Look at you brave people, rounding on one member
Embarrassing. Get a grip.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2022, 07:49:28 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 06:28:48 AM
It was suggested that Madeleine McCann was abducted before 10pm on 3rd May 2007. If so, then the presence of her parents or a babysitter would have prevented it. It was possible only because the children were alone in an unlocked apartment.

Your example was quite different as adults were present, but, given the time of the abduction, the adults were asleep.
Perhaps in that case the time of the abduction would have been the only thing that changed?  Or perhaps had the McCanns been sat on their balcony with some of their friends having drinks and chatting with the patio doors closed an abductor could have gained access at the front, with a key or via the window.  Or perhaps an abductor with an accomplice could have broken in, been challenged by the parents, tied them up and or stabbed them to death and taken the child.  Or perhaps the babysitter could have taken the child or let an accomplice in to take her.   Or perhaps an accomplice distracts the parents on some pretext, luring them out of the apartment while an abductor gains access and takes the child. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 28, 2022, 08:02:35 AM
Quote from: The General on March 28, 2022, 06:53:37 AM
Look at you brave people, rounding on one member
Embarrassing. Get a grip.

LOL... Your posts are so ridiculously funny
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 08:14:22 AM
Quote from: The General on March 28, 2022, 06:53:37 AM
Look at you brave people, rounding on one member
Embarrassing. Get a grip.

It's not easy for some people to face the fact that Madeleine McCann was left in a vulnerable position by her parents. Had they or a babysitter been in 5A then no abductor; whether Bruckner or someone else would have been able to abduct her before 10pm. Angelo's comment was correct.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg679549#msg679549 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2022, 08:18:04 AM
Quote from: Davel on March 28, 2022, 08:02:35 AM
LOL... Your posts are so ridiculously funny
I’d stop at “so ridiculous “.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 08:18:50 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 28, 2022, 07:49:28 AM
Perhaps in that case the time of the abduction would have been the only thing that changed?  Or perhaps had the McCanns been sat on their balcony with some of their friends having drinks and chatting with the patio doors closed an abductor could have gained access at the front, with a key or via the window.  Or perhaps an abductor with an accomplice could have broken in, been challenged by the parents, tied them up and or stabbed them to death and taken the child.  Or perhaps the babysitter could have taken the child or let an accomplice in to take her.   Or perhaps an accomplice distracts the parents on some pretext, luring them out of the apartment while an abductor gains access and takes the child.

In all of your examples the parents would have been blameless. In the actual circumstances they weren't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 28, 2022, 08:30:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 06:28:48 AM
It was suggested that Madeleine McCann was abducted before 10pm on 3rd May 2007. If so, then the presence of her parents or a babysitter would have prevented it. It was possible only because the children were alone in an unlocked apartment.

Your example was quite different as adults were present, but, given the time of the abduction, the adults were asleep.

You really are quite determined not to post on topic aren't you - and that really is not good enough.  I have checked back over your past fifteen posts made on this thread about the German suspect and on the thread re boxes ticked by Brueckner.
Not once have you mentioned the prime subject Brueckner either by name or by inference preferring instead to vent your spleen on Madeleine's parents.  As I have said it is not good enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2022, 08:31:06 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 08:18:50 AM
In all of your examples the parents would have been blameless. In the actual circumstances they weren't.
You keep on shifting the goalposts of the argument.  You claimed that it was an indisputable fact that Madeleine could not have been taken had her parents not left the apartment

“If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?”

I replied that this was not indisputable and cited other cases where children had been taken with parents present.  You then claimed it was the circumstances of Madeleine’s case specifically that made this impossible and invited me to speculate on scenarios in which this could possibly have happened.  I have now given you those speculative scenarios but your reply above fails to address the debate we were having.  The parents are not to blame for the actions of an abductor.  If they were they would have been charged with assisting in a crime. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 28, 2022, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 08:18:50 AM
In all of your examples the parents would have been blameless. In the actual circumstances they weren't.

There is no excusing an individual entering a property empty handed and leaving it carrying a child.  "In the circumstances" there was no legitimate excuse for blameless Madeleine McCann to disappear on May3 2007 and that is something you cannot countenance.

Your prejudice is not the topic of this thread although it is an opinion you ensure has tainted every topic you post on.

Your opinion is tiresome.  It is vindictive.  It is cruel.  It really isn't well thought out and in the current circumstance of the emergence of Brueckner as a very plausible suspect illogical in the extreme.

But when expressing your opinion on that or any other subject do please have the courtesy to do what is expected of other members and stick to the topic of the thread.  Or start a new topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 28, 2022, 08:31:06 AM
You keep on shifting the goalposts of the argument.  You claimed that it was an indisputable fact that Madeleine could not have been taken had her parents not left the apartment

“If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?”

I replied that this was not indisputable and cited other cases where children had been taken with parents present.  You then claimed it was the circumstances of Madeleine’s case specifically that made this impossible and invited me to speculate on scenarios in which this could possibly have happened.  I have now given you those speculative scenarios but your reply above fails to address the debate we were having.  The parents are not to blame for the actions of an abductor.  If they were they would have been charged with assisting in a crime.

Of course the parents would not be to blame for the actions of an abductor. If Brueckner or anyone else abducted Madeleine McCann then they are answerable for that. Her parents are responsible only for protecting her from harm. Most parents fulfil that duty by staying in with small children or hiring a babysitter if they go out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2022, 09:18:34 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 09:09:24 AM
Of course the parents would not be to blame for the actions of an abductor. If Brueckner or anyone else abducted Madeleine McCann then they are answerable for that. Her parents are responsible only for protecting her from harm. Most parents fulfil that duty by staying in with small children or hiring a babysitter if they go out.
So this was all just another excuse to repeat that old mantra was it?  You’ve decided to stop defending your “true or false” statement however, so I guess that’s something.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 28, 2022, 09:53:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 27, 2022, 01:29:52 PM
If an abduction happened in 5A before 10pm on 3rd May 2007 then it wouldn't have happened had the McCanns or a babysitter been present. Is that a true statement?

In such a small space I tend to agree with that statement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 28, 2022, 09:58:08 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 27, 2022, 01:07:09 PM
Don’t be ridiculous please, there’s a love.

What is there to be ridiculous about?  The parents behaviour following Maddie's disappearance was not in keeping with those of a parent whose child had just disappeared. Who the hell goes out jogging as if they didn't have a care in the world instead of taking part in the entire search coordination?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 28, 2022, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 09:09:24 AM
Of course the parents would not be to blame for the actions of an abductor. If Brueckner or anyone else abducted Madeleine McCann then they are answerable for that. Her parents are responsible only for protecting her from harm. Most parents fulfil that duty by staying in with small children or hiring a babysitter if they go out.

So despite the fact that for some reason Luz appears to have been a Mecca for paedophiles and home to the chief suspect in the murder of a missing child, by your reckoning the parents of all children who come to grief as the result of the criminal actions of a stranger are automatically at fault.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 28, 2022, 10:27:25 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on March 28, 2022, 09:58:08 AM
What is there to be ridiculous about?  The parents behaviour following Maddie's disappearance was not in keeping with those of a parent whose child had just disappeared. Who the hell goes out jogging as if they didn't have a care in the world instead of taking part in the entire search coordination?

You are quoting a huge dollop of sceptic mantra while studiously ignoring the topic of the thread which refers to a predatory paedophile.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2022, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 28, 2022, 10:27:25 AM
You are quoting a huge dollop of sceptic mantra while studiously ignoring the topic of the thread which refers to a predatory paedophile.
It’s as if we’re perpetually stuck in 2007, some people just cannot move on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 11:18:51 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 28, 2022, 10:23:53 AM
So despite the fact that for some reason Luz appears to have been a Mecca for paedophiles and home to the chief suspect in the murder of a missing child, by your reckoning the parents of all children who come to grief as the result of the criminal actions of a stranger are automatically at fault.

What evidence has convinced you that Luz was a Mecca for paedophiles? I have quite clearly said that the parents of all children who come to grief as the result of the criminal actions of a stranger are not at fault.

If Brueckner or anyone else had entered 5A before 10pm then it would have been difficult to go unnoticed if adults were present.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 11:22:15 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 28, 2022, 11:04:50 AM
It’s as if we’re perpetually stuck in 2007, some people just cannot move on.

I know. Some are enthused by this new prime suspect, but can't resist criticising the PJ for not suspecting him in 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 28, 2022, 11:23:07 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 11:18:51 AM
What evidence has convinced you that Luz was a Mecca for paedophiles? I have quite clearly said that the parents of all children who come to grief as the result of the criminal actions of a stranger are not at fault.

If Brueckner or anyone else had entered 5A before 10pm then it would have been difficult to go unnoticed if adults were present.

Its been pointed out before but hey oh G you know what they are like a paedo in Luz means its a haven for all, they walk amongst us .
Mark Rowley : The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide
and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences
need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are
currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which
could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been
doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2022, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 11:22:15 AM
I know. Some are enthused by this new prime suspect, but can't resist criticising the PJ for not suspecting him in 2007.
As none of us knew of his existence in 2007 how can it be said that we are stuck in 2007 with this regard?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: barrier on March 28, 2022, 11:23:07 AM
Its been pointed out before but hey oh G you know what they are like a paedo in Luz means its a haven for all, they walk amongst us .
Mark Rowley : The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide
and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences
need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are
currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which
could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been
doing.

I wonder how they knew which offences could have been linked? Did the Portuguese give them a list of offences to work through, or did they just rely on reports from UK holidaymakers? If OG had access to Portuguese records of offences and didn't find Brueckner's name of interest, then that probably explains why the PJ didn't look at him either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2022, 11:44:28 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 11:43:13 AM
I wonder how they knew which offences could have been linked? Did the Portuguese give them a list of offences to work through, or did they just rely on reports from UK holidaymakers? If OG had access to Portuguese records of offences and didn't find Brueckner's name of interest, then that probably explains why the PJ didn't look at him either.
Except that they did - according to the ex-coordinator of the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 28, 2022, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 11:43:13 AM
I wonder how they knew which offences could have been linked? Did the Portuguese give them a list of offences to work through, or did they just rely on reports from UK holidaymakers? If OG had access to Portuguese records of offences and didn't find Brueckner's name of interest, then that probably explains why the PJ didn't look at him either.

OG spent circa £13 million only to be handed his name, not by actually investigating , why did no one link him ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 28, 2022, 12:13:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on March 28, 2022, 09:58:08 AM
What is there to be ridiculous about?  The parents behaviour following Maddie's disappearance was not in keeping with those of a parent whose child had just disappeared. Who the hell goes out jogging as if they didn't have a care in the world instead of taking part in the entire search coordination?

There is a simple explanation which has been given many times...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 28, 2022, 12:41:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 06:28:48 AM
It was suggested that Madeleine McCann was abducted before 10pm on 3rd May 2007. If so, then the presence of her parents or a babysitter would have prevented it. It was possible only because the children were alone in an unlocked apartment.

Your example was quite different as adults were present, but, given the time of the abduction, the adults were asleep.


Quote from: sadie on March 27, 2022, 04:08:49 PM
No, not necessarily.

Here in the UK we had a little girl abducted from her bath.  her family were in the house.  She was driven a short distance away, sexually abused, then released naked to find her own way home  - IIRC she was picked up by a caring person who loooked after her whilst calling the Police.


https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/mother-s-frantic-999-call-after-sixyearold-was-snatched-from-bath-7253957.html.



This case proves that it is possible to abduct with the family in the house nearby.   Why are you ignoring what has happened even here in the UK?


There has to be a reason



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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2022, 12:43:13 PM
Quote from: Davel on March 28, 2022, 12:13:56 PM
There is a simple explanation which has been given many times...
In the Parents Of Missing Children Recommended Behaviour Handbook, it clearly states on page 47 that parents must not engage in activities such as jogging (even if it is recommended as a way of relieving stress and tension) otherwise people such as Angelo will use this against them to cast aspersions on their character.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 28, 2022, 12:53:13 PM
For Gunit:


https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/mother-s-frantic-999-call-after-sixyearold-was-snatched-from-bath-7253957.html.

Mother's frantic 999 call after six-year-old was snatched from bath


Peter Ivor Voisey: Accused of kidnap and sexual assault of six-year-old
04 October 2006


A jury today heard a mother describe her panic when she realised her six-year-old daughter had been snatched from the bath.

The child was kidnapped, driven off in a car and subjected to two serious sexual assaults, then dumped naked in a freezing back lane on December 27 last year in North Tyneside.

More here...

• Girl relives the night a 'bad man' snatched her at bathtime

Peter Ivor Voisey, also known as Smith, a 37-year-old from Blyth, Northumberland, denies abduction, rape and sexual assault on the little girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons.


The mother told Newcastle Crown Court how the little girl and her brother, a toddler, had shared a bath and that the girl had been left alone to play with her toys.

She told the jury her daughter loved bath time and enjoyed talking to all of her toys, who were her friends.

She said: "Then I heard: 'What are you doing in here?'

"She said it, she was not scared or anything.

"I thought she was talking to her toys, which would have been usual.

"I didn't respond to that comment, I wish I had now, but I didn't. Then I heard the car. I shouted: 'Are you OK?'

"Her voice was not there any more. That was unusual because she doesn't shut up but there was no response.

"The telly was on so I turned it down because I might have missed her saying 'yeah'. I called her again, again there was silence."


She told the court how she frantically searched the downstairs two-bedroom flat, even believing she may have forgotten putting the girl in bed.

"Then there was panic, running about and I phoned the police."

The jury was told the mother had left the back door unlocked because she was clearing boxes from Christmas presents into the backyard. When the intruder fled with her daughter, he left it open.

The court was played the 999 call in which the mother quite calmly explained what had happened, while her partner can be heard crying in the background.


At one point the operator asks the mother, who is separated from the father of her two children, if she has an ex-partner.

The mother replies: "I have, but this is not something he would do." Minutes later the police arrive and quickly establish that the girl has been found nearby.

The mother told the jury: "I don't know how long it was. It felt like hours but I couldn't say. I know it was not that long now."



The mother told the jury how it was more than a week later when the full extent of the girl's ordeal emerged.

The girl, who was having trouble sleeping, told her mother that the "nasty man" forced her to perform a sex act on him.

The mother told the jury: "She was six. How could she explain what had happened?

"It made her feel sick and when she told me, she put her hand to her mouth.

"She still does if she mentions it or if she thinks about it. She still gets that retching feeling."


The mother told the court how two days after the kidnapping, the family was on the way to a get-together when her daughter recognised local landmarks which she had spotted during the 15-minute car journey with the abductor.

Earlier, the jury was played a one-hour video taped police interview with the child.

In it she explained that the intruder wore a black leather coat, black hat and gloves and leather shoes. She described being abandoned in the dark.

"My feet were absolutely freezing. I didn't know where I was and he just told me, 'Just stand there."'

The girl described the man as being wary of being spotted.

"I don't want to remember anything about his face but he looked scared."

The case continues.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 28, 2022, 01:07:35 PM
Quote from: Davel on March 28, 2022, 12:13:56 PM
There is a simple explanation which has been given many times...

There certainly is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 28, 2022, 01:13:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on March 28, 2022, 01:07:35 PM
There certainly is.

Don't be coy, Angelo


What is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 28, 2022, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 11:18:51 AM
What evidence has convinced you that Luz was a Mecca for paedophiles? I have quite clearly said that the parents of all children who come to grief as the result of the criminal actions of a stranger are not at fault.

If Brueckner or anyone else had entered 5A before 10pm then it would have been difficult to go unnoticed if adults were present.

You really have a prejudiced bee in your bonnet and are not going to let this one go in your efforts to flog some life back into a dead horse.

Well done, you at least managed to fit Brueckner into your post - keep up trying to keep pace with events of 2022 and who is presently the chief suspect in Madeleine's disappearance and has been for the past few years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 02:03:53 PM
Quote from: sadie on March 28, 2022, 12:41:41 PM


https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/mother-s-frantic-999-call-after-sixyearold-was-snatched-from-bath-7253957.html.



This case proves that it is possible to abduct with the family in the house nearby.   Why are you ignoring what has happened even here in the UK?


There has to be a reason for all this hatred



If you know what is good for you, Gunit, you will read the above article and NEVER mention such rubbish again as you have been pushing here.  If you are not careful you will have SY knocking on your door as an accessory IMO.

Do you have to be so objectional Sadie? It may surprise you, but I feel no hatred for anyone in this case. I don't have to hate someone to point out certain truths about their behaviour. Imo those who refuse to accept that the holiday group's childcare arrangements were sub-standard are denying the fact that it ended, according to the group, in a child being abducted and never being seen again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 28, 2022, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 02:03:53 PM
Do you have to be so objectional Sadie? It may surprise you, but I feel no hatred for anyone in this case. I don't have to hate someone to point out certain truths about their behaviour. Imo those who refuse to accept that the holiday group's childcare arrangements were sub-standard are denying the fact that it ended, according to the group, in a child being abducted and never being seen again.

Of course you hate , its the supporters mantra that any one who has doubts about an alleged  abduction  is a h a t e r..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 28, 2022, 02:55:38 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 28, 2022, 12:43:13 PM
In the Parents Of Missing Children Recommended Behaviour Handbook, it clearly states on page 47 that parents must not engage in activities such as jogging (even if it is recommended as a way of relieving stress and tension) otherwise people such as Angelo will use this against them to cast aspersions on their character.

I couldn't be bothered to mention the Stress as most people know this.

Meanwhile, Angelo continues to make spurious statements that make no sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2022, 04:40:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on March 28, 2022, 02:24:08 PM
Of course you hate , its the supporters mantra that any one who has doubts about an alleged  abduction  is a h a t e r..
A hatter more like (as in mad as a).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2022, 06:00:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 02:03:53 PM
Do you have to be so objectional Sadie? It may surprise you, but I feel no hatred for anyone in this case. I don't have to hate someone to point out certain truths about their behaviour. Imo those who refuse to accept that the holiday group's childcare arrangements were sub-standard are denying the fact that it ended, according to the group, in a child being abducted and never being seen again.
Um, I think you might need to re-work that last sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on March 28, 2022, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 06:28:48 AM
It was suggested that Madeleine McCann was abducted before 10pm on 3rd May 2007. If so, then the presence of her parents or a babysitter would have prevented it. It was possible only because the children were alone in an unlocked apartment.

Your example was quite different as adults were present, but, given the time of the abduction, the adults were asleep.

We are lead to believe that the apartment was being watched and the abduction took place in that context. Therefore if the parents hadn’t been ‘bobbing back’ every half hour the alleged abduction would almost certainly not have happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 28, 2022, 07:29:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 28, 2022, 02:03:53 PM
Do you have to be so objectional Sadie? It may surprise you, but I feel no hatred for anyone in this case. I don't have to hate someone to point out certain truths about their behaviour. Imo those who refuse to accept that the holiday group's childcare arrangements were sub-standard are denying the fact that it ended, according to the group, in a child being abducted and never being seen again.

What's done is done and it was done fifteen years ago.  Extraordinary that some have spent every day of their lives posting their abhorrence of alleged 'sub standard parenting' to the exclusion of all the other errors manifest by this crime.

I don't know if it is hatred to post innuendo " ... that it ended, according to the group, in a child being abducted and never being seen again." at this remove, but it is singularly bizarre that you still feel the necessity to do so.

The truth which seems to be escaping you is that a man who by rights should have been investigated by police at the time is only being investigated now.

I think the history of your posts before and after Brueckner became the "new" suspect is worth a look because it would reveal that you have never changed tack by one iota.  My opinion - you never will.  Interesting though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 28, 2022, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on March 28, 2022, 02:24:08 PM
Of course you hate , its the supporters mantra that any one who has doubts about an alleged  abduction  is a h a t e r..

Don't be silly and please try not to slag off other members in your posts.  Puerile!

My stance is that there are those who are more to be pitied than laughed at and at the moment with three national police forces currently investigating Madeleine's abduction and the prime suspect I'm not laughing but really pitying those who appear to be somewhat out on a limb.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 29, 2022, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 28, 2022, 07:37:38 PM
Don't be silly and please try not to slag off other members in your posts.  Puerile!

My stance is that there are those who are more to be pitied than laughed at and at the moment with three national police forces currently investigating Madeleine's abduction and the prime suspect I'm not laughing but really pitying those who appear to be somewhat out on a limb.
You can reach out and touch the hypocrisy emanating from you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 29, 2022, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: barrier on March 28, 2022, 02:24:08 PM
Of course you hate , its the supporters mantra that any one who has doubts about an alleged  abduction  is a h a t e r..

Its a no from me. Sceptics have simply been fooled by the so  called evidence in the case... Amaral has been fooled to.

They are actually convinced of the McCanns guilt and cannot see how the mccanns have not been arrested.

How could two dogs who have never been wrong.. Have a 100% record in 200 cases.. How could these dogs suddenly be so wrong  in so many alerts.. The McCanns have to be guilty.. Surely.

IMO it's Martin Grime who has questions to answer... Not the mccanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 29, 2022, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on March 28, 2022, 06:59:57 PM
We are lead to believe that the apartment was being watched and the abduction took place in that context. Therefore if the parents hadn’t been ‘bobbing back’ every half hour the alleged abduction would almost certainly not have happened.
Bobbing back to use the khazi because the traps in the Tapas Bar were mingin'. And they came and went and disturbed none of the wee mites.
Meanwhile, CB would have looked like he was auditioning for River Dance outside 5a, jigging on the spot, go....no, here's another loose bladder....right, the coast is cl.......arse......here's some fella.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 29, 2022, 10:38:44 AM
Quote from: Davel on March 29, 2022, 10:35:20 AM
Its a no from me. Sceptics have simply been fooled by the so  called evidence in the case... Amaral has been fooled to.

They are actually convinced of the McCanns guilt and cannot see how the mccanns have not been arrested.

How could two dogs who have never been wrong.. Have a 100% record in 200 cases.. How could these dogs suddenly be so wrong  in so many alerts.. The McCanns have to be guilty.. Surely.

IMO it's Martin Grime who has questions to answer... Not the mccanns
John Casella thinks different.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 29, 2022, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on March 29, 2022, 10:35:20 AM
Its a no from me. Sceptics have simply been fooled by the so  called evidence in the case... Amaral has been fooled to.

They are actually convinced of the McCanns guilt and cannot see how the mccanns have not been arrested.

How could two dogs who have never been wrong.. Have a 100% record in 200 cases.. How could these dogs suddenly be so wrong  in so many alerts.. The McCanns have to be guilty.. Surely.

IMO it's Martin Grime who has questions to answer... Not the mccanns

The emergence of the BKA prime suspect into the equation highlights the flaws of 2007.  Brueckner was there in 2007 complete with a record for child abuse.  The phone records were also available from 2007 but were ignored at a time when the potential was there to learn so much more from them than is possible now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 29, 2022, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: The General on March 29, 2022, 10:38:44 AM
John Casella thinks different.

He doesn't.. You are wrong on that too.
Do you believe prior to Luz the dogs had  never been wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 11:56:16 AM
Quote from: Davel on March 29, 2022, 10:35:20 AM
Its a no from me. Sceptics have simply been fooled by the so  called evidence in the case... Amaral has been fooled to.

They are actually convinced of the McCanns guilt and cannot see how the mccanns have not been arrested.

How could two dogs who have never been wrong.. Have a 100% record in 200 cases.. How could these dogs suddenly be so wrong  in so many alerts.. The McCanns have to be guilty.. Surely.

IMO it's Martin Grime who has questions to answer... Not the mccanns

Others have been fooled by the so called evidence of abduction imo. The only irrefutable fact is that Madeleine McCann disappeared. Why and how remains unknown and that will only change if the Germans manage to convict their (not so new now) suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2022, 12:02:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 11:56:16 AM
Others have been fooled by the so called evidence of abduction imo. The only irrefutable fact is that Madeleine McCann disappeared. Why and how remains unknown and that will only change if the Germans manage to convict their (not so new now) suspect.
So you admit that you don’t know what happened but you also know that only the foolish accept that there is evidence of abduction?  Does your contempt also extend to those foolish enough to believe in the so-called evidence of parental involvement?  Rhetorical question - of course it doesn’t!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 29, 2022, 12:02:08 PM
So you admit that you don’t know what happened but you also know that only the foolish accept that there is evidence of abduction?  Does your contempt also extend to those foolish enough to believe in the so-called evidence of parental involvement?  Rhetorical question - of course it doesn’t!

Saying someone is fooled doesn't mean they're foolish does it? Is that what Davel was suggesting, do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2022, 12:24:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 12:12:40 PM
Saying someone is fooled doesn't mean they're foolish does it? Is that what Davel was suggesting, do you think?
Please stop reverting to your usual semantic deflection, it really is tiresome.  If you can’t address the point being made please just don’t answer.


foolish
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adjective
adjective: foolish
lacking good sense or judgement; unwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 12:48:00 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 29, 2022, 12:24:04 PM
Please stop reverting to your usual semantic deflection, it really is tiresome.  If you can’t address the point being made please just don’t answer.


foolish
/ˈfuːlɪʃ/
 Learn to pronounce
adjective
adjective: foolish
lacking good sense or judgement; unwise.

I wasn't suggesting that people who get fooled are foolish people, but I can't answer for what Davel meant;

"Sceptics have simply been fooled"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 29, 2022, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 29, 2022, 12:24:04 PM
Please stop reverting to your usual semantic deflection, it really is tiresome.  If you can’t address the point being made please just don’t answer.




If it pains you so much why read and respond.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 29, 2022, 12:55:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on March 29, 2022, 12:52:09 PM
If it pains you so much why read and respond.

This is a Discussion Forum.  And some of us haven't got anything more exciting to do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2022, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 12:48:00 PM
I wasn't suggesting that people who get fooled are foolish people, but I can't answer for what Davel meant;

"Sceptics have simply been fooled"
More deflection.  i didn’t as you to answer  for Davel, I. askd you to answer for you.  Bu ok, let’s play semantics.  I have been “fooled” by the so- called abduction evidence.  Am I demonstrating good sense and judgment?  Am I wise?  In your opinion? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2022, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on March 29, 2022, 12:52:09 PM
If it pains you so much why read and respond.
Just get off my case little man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on March 29, 2022, 01:04:49 PM
A wise man once said "There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 29, 2022, 01:05:12 PM
Quote from: Davel on March 29, 2022, 11:41:53 AM
He doesn't.. You are wrong on that too.
Do you believe prior to Luz the dogs had  never been wrong
Casella is da man. You've speed read and discarded Grime's white paper...ringing endorsement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on March 29, 2022, 01:11:02 PM
Quote from: The General on March 29, 2022, 01:05:12 PM
Casella is da man. You've speed read and discarded Grime's white paper...ringing endorsement.

Grime doesn't advocate armchair detectives being let loose on the internet to discuss the expertise of the dogs, and their training/alerts. That's in his white paper too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 29, 2022, 01:13:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 11:56:16 AM
Others have been fooled by the so called evidence of abduction imo. The only irrefutable fact is that Madeleine McCann disappeared. Why and how remains unknown and that will only change if the Germans manage to convict their (not so new now) suspect.

" ... the so called evidence of abduction imo." to which you refer constantly in one shape or form is nothing more or less than a continuation of the slurs you believe and promulgate about Kate and Gerry McCann.

There is not a shred of evidence supporting your beliefs.

But there is evidence and apparently plenty of it supporting the BKA constituting Brueckner as the prime subject in Madeleine's disappearance.

That is the guy who is the subject of this thread.  How nice it would be for you to keep on topic and incidentally how appropriate it would be instead of pursuing what is an obvious fixation for you; I don't think I will be alone in finding your posts exceedingly tedious; almost as tedious as I find having to remind you to post on topic (of which you seldom if ever take any heed).

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 29, 2022, 01:17:15 PM

It is so often what one doesn't say that matters.  So I won't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 29, 2022, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: misty on March 29, 2022, 01:11:02 PM
Grime doesn't advocate armchair detectives being let loose on the internet to discuss the expertise of the dogs, and their training/alerts. That's in his white paper too.
Exactly, but Davel takes exception to being called armchair.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 01:49:23 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 29, 2022, 01:13:56 PM
" ... the so called evidence of abduction imo." to which you refer constantly in one shape or form is nothing more or less than a continuation of the slurs you believe and promulgate about Kate and Gerry McCann.

There is not a shred of evidence supporting your beliefs.

But there is evidence and apparently plenty of it supporting the BKA constituting Brueckner as the prime subject in Madeleine's disappearance.

That is the guy who is the subject of this thread.  How nice it would be for you to keep on topic and incidentally how appropriate it would be instead of pursuing what is an obvious fixation for you; I don't think I will be alone in finding your posts exceedingly tedious; almost as tedious as I find having to remind you to post on topic (of which you seldom if ever take any heed).

Your eyes seem to home in on posts of mine which you deem to be off topic, but either fail to notice or prefer not to comment on other's off topic posts. Perhaps we should allow NO off topic posts whatsoever? Should we start with those about Grime's dogs; they seem to appear on every thread?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 29, 2022, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: misty on March 29, 2022, 01:11:02 PM
Grime doesn't advocate armchair detectives being let loose on the internet to discuss the expertise of the dogs, and their training/alerts. That's in his white paper too.

Any competent professional has no problem with criticism
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on March 29, 2022, 02:07:39 PM
Quote from: Davel on March 29, 2022, 01:52:03 PM
Any competent professional has no problem with criticism

I agree. It was a very odd comment for Grime to include in a white paper and conveyed personal resentment imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on March 29, 2022, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Davel on March 29, 2022, 01:52:03 PM
Any competent professional has no problem with criticism
Including The Bard himself? "A critic, nay, a night-watch constable; A domineering pedant o'er the boy."

I'd suggest the opposite is true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 29, 2022, 05:22:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 01:49:23 PM
Your eyes seem to home in on posts of mine which you deem to be off topic, but either fail to notice or prefer not to comment on other's off topic posts. Perhaps we should allow NO off topic posts whatsoever? Should we start with those about Grime's dogs; they seem to appear on every thread?

Please use the appropriate thread to raise the issues you are having - more use of which would prevent such matters arising on the public threads.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 29, 2022, 05:22:40 PM
Please use the appropriate thread to raise the issues you are having - more use of which would prevent such matters arising on the public threads.

I don't have any issues, thank you, I was highlighting what I see as yours.

I think that suggesting that the BKA has plenty of evidence is a triumph of hope over fact. Operation Grange aren't accepting the word of the Germans it seems. Until they see definitive evidence that Brueckner abducted and killed Madeleine they are still investigating a missing person case. They are said to be stopping soon too, although they haven't said why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2022, 09:56:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 09:26:53 PM
I don't have any issues, thank you, I was highlighting what I see as yours.

I think that suggesting that the BKA has plenty of evidence is a triumph of hope over fact. Operation Grange aren't accepting the word of the Germans it seems. Until they see definitive evidence that Brueckner abducted and killed Madeleine they are still investigating a missing person case. They are said to be stopping soon too, although they haven't said why.
Lots of speculation in that post IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 29, 2022, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 29, 2022, 09:26:53 PM
I don't have any issues, thank you, I was highlighting what I see as yours.

I think that suggesting that the BKA has plenty of evidence is a triumph of hope over fact. Operation Grange aren't accepting the word of the Germans it seems. Until they see definitive evidence that Brueckner abducted and killed Madeleine they are still investigating a missing person case. They are said to be stopping soon too, although they haven't said why.

Nor have they said they are stopping and you are placing a great deal of faith and hope in unattributed tabloid intimation that they are.

The point is that if Operation Grange do not require further funding it means there are no further investigative opportunities or suspects to be followed.

Brueckner is not only the BKA prime suspect;  SY have been investigating him for at least as long and he is their prime suspect too.

Were I you I would cast my eye in the direction that SY have gone as far as they can go and consider the case over all bar the shouting and for you to hope that there is sufficient evidence to bring Madeleine's case to trial and a definitive closure.

After all isn't that what sceptics are  allegedly all about ~ JUSTICE for MADELEINE ~ real justice which doesn't come with a sceptic caveat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 30, 2022, 12:17:36 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 29, 2022, 10:46:18 PM
Nor have they said they are stopping and you are placing a great deal of faith and hope in unattributed tabloid intimation that they are.

The point is that if Operation Grange do not require further funding it means there are no further investigative opportunities or suspects to be followed.

Brueckner is not only the BKA prime suspect;  SY have been investigating him for at least as long and he is their prime suspect too.

Were I you I would cast my eye in the direction that SY have gone as far as they can go and consider the case over all bar the shouting and for you to hope that there is sufficient evidence to bring Madeleine's case to trial and a definitive closure.

After all isn't that what sceptics are  allegedly all about ~ JUSTICE for MADELEINE ~ real justice which doesn't come with a sceptic caveat.

My actual post was that OG WERE SAID to be stopping. I'll believe it when they announce it, just as I'll believe the Germans have the evidence they say they have when they put their suspect on trial.

I've never said  JUSTICE for MADELEINE, never said that it was my aim, or hinted that that's what I'm all about. If I'm a sceptic then those allegations don't apply to me. If there's a group pf people out there called The Sceptics who share theories and aims I'm not one of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 30, 2022, 07:15:53 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 30, 2022, 12:17:36 AM
My actual post was that OG WERE SAID to be stopping. I'll believe it when they announce it, just as I'll believe the Germans have the evidence they say they have when they put their suspect on trial.

I've never said  JUSTICE for MADELEINE, never said that it was my aim, or hinted that that's what I'm all about. If I'm a sceptic then those allegations don't apply to me. If there's a group pf people out there called The Sceptics who share theories and aims I'm not one of them.
What has your many years of diligent study and research been all in aid of then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 30, 2022, 08:43:57 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on March 30, 2022, 07:15:53 AM
What has your many years of diligent study and research been all in aid of then?

Satisfying my curiosity, aroused by a chance remark around eight years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 30, 2022, 08:49:15 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 30, 2022, 08:43:57 AM
Satisfying my curiosity, aroused by a chance remark around eight years ago.

So not from the beginning then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 30, 2022, 08:51:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on March 30, 2022, 08:43:57 AM
Satisfying my curiosity, aroused by a chance remark around eight years ago.
And after 8 years is your curiosity any closer to being satisfied?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 30, 2022, 08:55:15 AM
Did you satisfy your curiosity about the following G-Unit? 

Hi,

I'm just an ordinary (older) woman from the Midlands (UK). I recently started being interested in the Madeleine Mccann case and I'm on here to share thoughts about that hopefully  ?{)(**

To begin, what do people think about the delivery of two new PAYG mobile phones to David Payne on the 4th May 2007? http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

I thought his reasons for wanting them seemed unconvincing and wondered if they were given to them so someone could contact them without being detected? Maybe Gerry Mccann was using one in Lagos on 7th May when Carolyn Kish heard him asking someone not to hurt Madeleine? http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROLYN-KISH.htm

Certainly the investigation needed to take account of these phones when doing their phone investigations

************

Seems a strange “entry level” question for someone new to the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 30, 2022, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 30, 2022, 08:49:15 AM
So not from the beginning then?

No.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on March 30, 2022, 09:51:01 AM
Posters are reminded of the topic of the thread;

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 30, 2022, 02:05:24 PM

Just caught a good one.

"The Right to Silence is not what it used to be."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 01, 2022, 09:18:30 PM
The latest. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/friend-100-certain-madeleine-mccann-26615559
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 02, 2022, 12:46:51 AM
Quote from: Anthro on April 01, 2022, 09:18:30 PM
The latest. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/friend-100-certain-madeleine-mccann-26615559

Interesting.   I like his face.  It looks trustworthy, doesn't it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 02, 2022, 06:17:26 AM
Quote from: sadie on April 02, 2022, 12:46:51 AM
Interesting.   I like his face.  It looks trustworthy, doesn't it.

Hmm...I wonder why he's living in Cambodia under an assumed name? (well he was until Martin Fricker found him)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 02, 2022, 07:58:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 02, 2022, 06:17:26 AM
Hmm...I wonder why he's living in Cambodia under an assumed name? (well he was until Martin Fricker found him)

He didn't have to give an interview nor did he require to pose for a photograph.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 02, 2022, 08:24:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 02, 2022, 06:17:26 AM
Hmm...I wonder why he's living in Cambodia under an assumed name? (well he was until Martin Fricker found him)
Jon Clarke’s much derided “work of fiction” will give you more information on this individual, stsrting on page 283, take it or leave it, I’m sure Clarke’s exhaustive investigative journalism is not up to your high standards.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 02, 2022, 09:01:44 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 02, 2022, 08:24:38 AM
Jon Clarke’s much derided “work of fiction” will give you more information on this individual, stsrting on page 283, take it or leave it, I’m sure Clarke’s exhaustive investigative journalism is not up to your high standards.

Much of the Mirror article already appeared in Clarke's book, in fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 03, 2022, 06:07:35 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 02, 2022, 07:58:44 AM
He didn't have to give an interview nor did he require to pose for a photograph.

No of course not but the churnalist would have expected him to earn his fee somehow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 04, 2022, 04:47:30 PM
https://www.the-sun.com/news/5046589/suspects-paedo-ring-madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-trial/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 04, 2022, 05:06:01 PM

"cops believe suspect Christian B contacted..."

"he may also have contacted an underground international network of depraved child abusers called Boystown."

“Amongst all this data, we could also find information on the Maddie case."
..................

Case solved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 04, 2022, 05:49:36 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 04, 2022, 05:06:01 PM
"cops believe suspect Christian B contacted..."

"he may also have contacted an underground international network of depraved child abusers called Boystown."

“Amongst all this data, we could also find information on the Maddie case."
..................

Case solved.


And before you know it, these will be believed as facts by the gullible
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 04, 2022, 06:40:40 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 04, 2022, 05:49:36 PM

And before you know it, these will be believed as facts by the gullible
You’d have to be very gullible yourself to believe that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 04, 2022, 07:33:43 PM
Yet CB who is supposed to be linked is not on trial, ah well , next.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 04, 2022, 07:47:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 04, 2022, 07:33:43 PM
Yet CB who is supposed to be linked is not on trial, ah well , next.

Yeah, I'm still not entirely sure what the connection to Brueckner is supposed to be, considering the police couldn't find one.

Both German

Both Paedophiles

Both are carbon based lifeforms who breathe oxygen & live on the planet we call earth.

There's that I suppose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 13, 2022, 09:46:24 AM
Daily Mail today - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10713505/Portuguese-police-continue-inquiry-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html

Strange line  (just below video of Wolters

Brueckner also is alleged to have admitted abducting Madeleine to a friend - and the German team of investigators, led by public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, said they were certain he had killed the three-year-old.

It is now highly unlikely that he will be charged over her disappearance.

Wolters went as far as holding a press conference where he addressed Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry over the air.

He insisted: 'We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter. All I can do is ask for your patience.'

What's this about ? Journalistic misinterpretation or just playing with words ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 13, 2022, 10:15:00 AM
Quote from: jassi on April 13, 2022, 09:46:24 AM
Daily Mail today - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10713505/Portuguese-police-continue-inquiry-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html

Strange line  (just below video of Wolters

Brueckner also is alleged to have admitted abducting Madeleine to a friend - and the German team of investigators, led by public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, said they were certain he had killed the three-year-old.

It is now highly unlikely that he will be charged over her disappearance.

Wolters went as far as holding a press conference where he addressed Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry over the air.

He insisted: 'We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter. All I can do is ask for your patience.'

What's this about ? Journalistic misinterpretation or just playing with words ?

Who knows, balanced reporting is a myth;

Amaral was brought in to head that investigation and ran it for several months, infamously naming both Kate and Gerry as suspects.

He was sacked shortly after launching a public attack on British detectives - accusing them of only pursuing investigative lines given to them by the McCanns.

He has since published a book and appeared in a documentary called 'The Truth of the Lie' in which he repeated his claims against the McCanns.

The family won a libel suit against him in 2015, and were awarded £500,000 in damages.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10713505/Portuguese-police-continue-inquiry-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html

All true, but no balance. No mention of the subsequent overturning of the libel suit's judgement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 13, 2022, 12:52:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 13, 2022, 10:15:00 AM
Who knows, balanced reporting is a myth;

Amaral was brought in to head that investigation and ran it for several months, infamously naming both Kate and Gerry as suspects.

He was sacked shortly after launching a public attack on British detectives - accusing them of only pursuing investigative lines given to them by the McCanns.

He has since published a book and appeared in a documentary called 'The Truth of the Lie' in which he repeated his claims against the McCanns.

The family won a libel suit against him in 2015, and were awarded £500,000 in damages.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10713505/Portuguese-police-continue-inquiry-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html

All true, but no balance. No mention of the subsequent overturning of the libel suit's judgement.

Print media is one thing.
Posting on internet fora is another.

We really have no influence on journalism or journalists short of cancelling our subscriptions if we have one or if not just refusing to pick them up off the shelves and part with money for them - if they are not coming up to scratch.

Now - posting on a forum is an entirely different kettle of fish and posters have power to ensure the standards and protocols for ourselves.  One of which is posting on topic.

So why don't you.

Quite clearly the topic here is " New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance." You have made no reference to that which is quite disrespectful both to the forum and to fellow members.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 13, 2022, 01:31:59 PM
Serious question: Rizolli or Isles?
Wrong thread, hang on, coz I know this is going to blow up......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 13, 2022, 04:03:39 PM
I blame the Germans they can't be arsed with talking to CB.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 13, 2022, 04:10:08 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 13, 2022, 04:03:39 PM
I blame the Germans they can't be arsed with talking to CB.

They seem concerned over what he might learn.
Is their case so weak that it can't stand  scrutiny by the defense ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 13, 2022, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 13, 2022, 04:10:08 PM
They seem concerned over what he might learn.
Is their case so weak that it can't stand  scrutiny by the defense ?
All that circumstantial evidence. If they're so concerned about showing their hand, it usually means they have a [insert acceptable adjective] hand.
Imagine CB is fresh meat and a new suspect under suspicion for something - a murder. At what point would they drag him in for questioning? Two years after no slam dunk forthcoming?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 13, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 13, 2022, 04:10:08 PM
They seem concerned over what he might learn.
Is their case so weak that it can't stand  scrutiny by the defense ?

Makes one wonder, what about the supposed rape and other charges early this year it was reported, its no longer early in the year .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 13, 2022, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: The General on April 13, 2022, 04:18:50 PM
All that circumstantial evidence. If they're so concerned about showing their hand, it usually means they have a [insert acceptable adjective] hand.
Imagine CB is fresh meat and a new suspect under suspicion for something - a murder. At what point would they drag him in for questioning? Two years after no slam dunk forthcoming?

They've been investigating since 2017, so getting on for 5 years  and still not reached a point where they feel confident to let  the defense see the evidence.
Passing strange, but perhaps how the Germans go about things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 13, 2022, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 13, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
Makes one wonder, what about the supposed rape and other charges early this year it was reported, its no longer early in the year .

Well yes, but clearly time isn't important.

Meanwhile where are we with the ECHR? Second quarter of the year and no advance on last year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:15:40 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 13, 2022, 05:35:17 PM



Oh yes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 13, 2022, 06:19:41 PM
Some people are more deserving than others.  ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:22:36 PM
Quote from: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:15:40 PM

Oh yes.

 (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:33:22 PM
Quote from: The General on April 13, 2022, 01:30:34 PM
Shut up, there's only 6 of us here, nobody gives a shit except you and maybe 2 other plebs and that's only because you keep getting well and truly owned.
Wind it in and get on topic yourself.

Such an extremely unpleasant post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 13, 2022, 06:38:09 PM
Quote from: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:33:22 PM
Such an extremely unpleasant post.

Could you Report it, please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 13, 2022, 06:38:09 PM
Could you Report it, please?

I have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 13, 2022, 06:41:38 PM
Quote from: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:40:17 PM
I have.

Merci Beaucoup.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 13, 2022, 06:44:54 PM
Quote from: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:40:17 PM
I have.

Did you get my PM?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:46:06 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 13, 2022, 06:44:54 PM
Did you get my PM?

Yes and will respond.
It has been my intention to do so but as yet have not.
Apologies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 13, 2022, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:46:06 PM
Yes and will respond.
It has been my intention to do so but as yet have not.
Apologies.

Not a problem.

The same question to Anthro.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 13, 2022, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 13, 2022, 06:52:40 PM
Not a problem.

The same question to Anthro.
Done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 13, 2022, 07:31:27 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 13, 2022, 07:26:10 PM
Done.

Thank you.  I have had a few problems myself recently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 13, 2022, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 13, 2022, 06:38:09 PM
Could you Report it, please?

You need others to fight your battles, I'm sure you have Brittles ear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 13, 2022, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 13, 2022, 07:39:53 PM
You need others to fight your battles, I'm sure you have Brittles ear.

I Reported it myself.

I don't know what Brietta does.

But obviously you support this kind of abuse.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 13, 2022, 07:48:41 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 13, 2022, 07:39:53 PM
You need others to fight your battles, I'm sure you have Brittles ear.
Hi Barrier, not at all. I’ve seen the comment earlier today and the use of ‘pleb’ is clearly offensive and derogatory. To me, at least.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 13, 2022, 08:27:47 PM
Why? Do you think of yourself as something special ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 13, 2022, 08:44:25 PM
Please post on topic folks. Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 13, 2022, 08:50:38 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 13, 2022, 08:27:47 PM
Why? Do you think of yourself as something special ?
Who are you referring to? Your post has no context.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 13, 2022, 08:52:26 PM
As it followed on from your post, I'd have thought it was obvious that it was a reply to you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 13, 2022, 09:03:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 13, 2022, 08:52:26 PM
As it followed on from your post, I'd have thought it was obvious that it was a reply to you.
Consider replying to a particular comment/poster.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 13, 2022, 11:12:17 PM
Quote from: Erngath on April 13, 2022, 06:33:22 PM
Such an extremely unpleasant post.
yet perfectly acceptable to one mod who claims to abhor personal abuse.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 14, 2022, 12:05:45 AM
Why does this forum tolerate such rudeness, especially to a true lady like Brietta?

To feel free to talk to Brie like that, I wonder if you know her already?   Most educated and supposedly cultured people would not speak to a stranger like that.

Have you been drinking, perhaps?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 14, 2022, 07:39:35 AM
I think you are misunderstanding the role of a moderator. It isn't to follow requests from members. If you have a problem with a post you can use the 'report to moderator' button. Approaching your moderator of choice isn't an option. Neither is threatening them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 14, 2022, 07:42:15 AM
Any more off topic posts will be deleted. Repeat offenders will be sanctioned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 14, 2022, 12:12:29 PM
Members wishing to discuss forum rules can post here;

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=2.0

Members wishing to discuss/question moderation can post here;

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8404.0
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 15, 2022, 06:49:29 PM
Donal Macintyre. A new 8-part series, which details author and journalist, Jon Clarke's quest to uncover the truth of the Madeleine McCann disappearance and his hunt for the suspect at the centre of this tragic story. https://mmupodcast.buzzsprout.com/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 15, 2022, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 14, 2022, 07:42:15 AM
Any more off topic posts will be deleted. Repeat offenders will be sanctioned.

I am so tired of people who know it all and never put a foot wrong.  When they know nothing at all.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 15, 2022, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 15, 2022, 06:49:29 PM
Donal Macintyre. A new 8-part series, which details author and journalist, Jon Clarke's quest to uncover the truth of the Madeleine McCann disappearance and his hunt for the suspect at the centre of this tragic story. https://mmupodcast.buzzsprout.com/

Thanks Anthro.

I'll start listening later.

Might be worth you opening a new discussion thread if you find it interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 15, 2022, 11:11:09 PM

I am so tired of Sceptics who never get moderated, no matter what they say.

But then this Forum has gone frightfully down hill of late.

All a bit of a laugh actually.

Is The German Suspect looking even more dodgy?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 15, 2022, 11:27:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 15, 2022, 11:11:09 PM
I am so tired of Sceptics who never get moderated, no matter what they say.

But then this Forum has gone frightfully down hill of late.

All a bit of a laugh actually.

Is The German Suspect looking even more dodgy?

Yep, I am not allowed to pm certain members.  I have strongly suspected for a long time that my PM's get read by othres even before attempts to send them   By whom, I know not, But I can make an educated guess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 15, 2022, 11:52:10 PM
Quote from: sadie on April 15, 2022, 11:27:31 PM
Yep, I am not allowed to pm certain members.  I have strongly suspected for a long time that my PM's get read by othres even before attempts to send them   By whom, I know not, But I can make an educated guess.

Dear Sadie,  Anyone is welcome to read my PMs. Absolutely hilarious.  And the more insulting then the better.

Although my PMs never insult anyone.

But I also have a problem from time to time.  Anyone I want to talk to has my Email Address.  Although I can't say we spend a lot of time talking about The Justice Forum.

There was a time when The Justice Forum was a good place to be.  Sadly, this no longer applies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 16, 2022, 12:12:17 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 15, 2022, 11:52:10 PM
Dear Sadie,  Anyone is welcome to read my PMs. Absolutely hilarious.  And the more insulting then the better.

Although my PMs never insult anyone.

But I also have a problem from time to time.  Anyone I want to talk to has my Email Address.  Although I can't say we spend a lot of time talking about The Justice Forum.

There was a time when The Justice Forum was a good place to be.  Sadly, this no longer applies.

But Elli, my PM's in this instance, were about something never investigated before about the case.   And possibly certain PJ Officers were about to get it in the neck.

I wasn't allowed to send it.   Someone is reading our PM's.   

I actually have proof that someone is looking at our PM's.   Heyho, at least I knowwhere I stand.

I sent a lovely PM to Anthro about 4 days ago, but I know she never received it, cos, bless her, she always responds.  There was no reponse.


It is beyond a joke.  It is putting our side at a huge disadvantage if we can't communicate privately.   I simply cannot understand why fellow Mccann Supporters are not raising the roof

I am now isolated and I think that is the idea.

I know too much
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 16, 2022, 12:30:25 AM
Quote from: sadie on April 16, 2022, 12:12:17 AM
But Elli, my PM's in this instance, were about something never investigated before about the case.   And possibly certain PJ Officers were about to get it in the neck.

I wasn't allowed to send it.   Someone is reading our PM's.   

I actually have proof that someone is looking at our PM's.   Heyho, at least I knowwhere I stand.

I sent a lovely PM to Anthro about 4 days ago, but I know she never received it, cos, bless her, she always responds.  There was no reponse.


It is beyond a joke.  It is putting our side at a huge disadvantage if we can't communicate privately.   I simply cannot understand why fellow Mccann Supporters are not raising the roof

I am now isolated and I think that is the idea.

I know too much

Oh Dear,   Sadie.  It really doesn't matter anymore.  I've just been Sacked after nine years.  Yes, of course I care.  But not enough to matter.

If Madeleine is still alive then she is still alive.  Which is enough.  Try not to care so much.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 16, 2022, 12:50:20 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 16, 2022, 12:30:25 AM
Oh Dear,   Sadie.  It really doesn't matter anymore.  I've just been Sacked after nine years.  Yes, of course I care.  But not enough to matter.

If Madeleine is still alive then she is still alive.  Which is enough.  Try not to care so much.

I care, but not only about Madeleine and her family, but also about all the other children, with families, who had their lives ruined

Things revealed (hidden in plain sight cos no-one here would have the background knowledge to understand) have revealed to me that  I am right.

There is so much info, I am  hoping that SY have managed to clinch the case

But I fear there are
1.  untouchables involved
and 2.  maybe others, top people, who have tasted the forbidden fruit (UGH) and are now having the screws tightened  so that they are having to support the perps ... or their maybe only once daliance with a child will be revealed to one and all.
And they will be ruined.


I care very much.  I have near ruined my marriage and the past 14 years of my life through my detailed and very logical search.   Researched in a way that no-one had ever used before.   But it seems to have worked.   We shall see.  Hopefully it will be free from pressures from eites that might stop it.


And I am thinking that a special event might have to take place before any attempt is made to take it to Court
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 16, 2022, 01:20:42 AM

Do you seriously think that you can do anything about this if you are right, Sadie?

How many special children do you think there are?

And what about the rest of them who aren't special?

Do you think that Scotland Yard don't know what is going on?

You are making yourself ill for something that you can't prevent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 16, 2022, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 16, 2022, 01:20:42 AM
Do you seriously think that you can do anything about this if you are right, Sadie?

How many special children do you think there are?

And what about the rest of them who aren't special?

Do you think that Scotland Yard don't know what is going on?

You are making yourself ill for something that you can't prevent.


I think that I have already done it and I am hoping that SY have not been prevented from going ahead because of pressure from elites.   

As long as, of course, the lavender folders are not burned.   "The General" suggested that there might be a small fire under the middle of the top shelf where my big lavender coloured folder resides.  Very interesting that he should suggest that.  And at least he accepts that my folders WERE originally LAVENDER colour, and NOT aquamarine as they became later.

I wonder what colour they are now?


BTW, Elli, I spent the best part of yesterday reading your blog and I thoroughly enjoyed it.  It is worthy of all the praise it gets, but just make sure that the people on there are not there and buttering you up to enable them to get information, either about my thoughts on the case, or somehow to get into your computer as they have mine.



What I want to know is why would someone wander along your stretched out road flogging YOU a cut-price phone .  A 'phone' that you find doesn't work.     So I can no longer reach you?  My supporter usually.

People flogging things house to house normally target  areas where houses are close together.  On your road they are often fields apart ... and you have broadcast your address to all and sundry.


Think about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 16, 2022, 12:37:58 PM
Today's offering from the Mail -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10723995/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-claims-waiting-questioned.html

Not sure anything new other than confirmation that questioning  of Brueckner over anything has not yet happened.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 16, 2022, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 16, 2022, 12:37:58 PM
Today's offering from the Mail -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10723995/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-claims-waiting-questioned.html

Not sure anything new other than confirmation that questioning  of Brueckner over anything has not yet happened.


His lawyer Friedrich Fulscher has always maintained his client's innocence but a source close to him said: 'While Brueckner maybe a man you would choose not to mix with socially he is not responsible for the abduction of Madeline McCann.

He knows this how exactly?   

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 16, 2022, 02:28:50 PM
CB sounds like he is getting increasingly rattled.  Makes me wonder why he doesn't just sue for defamation like some on here said he would rather than complaining to the Daily Mail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 16, 2022, 03:28:35 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 16, 2022, 02:28:50 PM
CB sounds like he is getting increasingly rattled.  Makes me wonder why he doesn't just sue for defamation like some on here said he would rather than complaining to the Daily Mail.
He didn't pen this  little snippet though, wonder who the true desperado are.

But since the fanfare announcement which made headlines around the world, no charges have been brought and none appear imminent, which has only intensified the anguish for parents Kate and Gerry McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 16, 2022, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 16, 2022, 03:28:35 PM
He didn't pen this  little snippet though, wonder who the true desperado are.

But since the fanfare announcement which made headlines around the world, no charges have been brought and none appear imminent, which has only intensified the anguish for parents Kate and Gerry McCann.
According to the article which quotes directly from the letter he did pen it.

'I haven't been questioned on any allegations as required by German law, but it is obvious the German authorities and especially the Department of Justice, are providing the media with information about me that is likely to make me appear contemptible.

'This also applies to the authorities at the correctional facility in which I am currently being held.'

'By now it should be most obvious to anyone with halfway reasonable thinking that the German authorities are trying by all means necessary to cover up the mistakes that have been made.

'By "mistakes" I mean blatant violations of German criminal law and international human rights.

'This statement on my part has so far only been laughed at as "wailing" which gives me an approximate insight into the hopeless situation of the Jews, or in general, of the minorities in the Second World War.'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 16, 2022, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 16, 2022, 03:28:35 PM
He didn't pen this  little snippet though, wonder who the true desperado are.

But since the fanfare announcement which made headlines around the world, no charges have been brought and none appear imminent, which has only intensified the anguish for parents Kate and Gerry McCann.

No, the McCann anguish bit isn't contained within the quoted section attributed to Brueckner.
Probably made up by who wrote the article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 16, 2022, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 16, 2022, 04:49:06 PM
No, the McCann anguish bit isn't contained within the quoted section attributed to Brueckner.
Probably made up by who wrote the article.

Seems Brueckner is a little agitated although why on earth he should be contacting the British redtops about that is a bit of a mystery.

I'm sure all the legal protocols have been followed to the letter by the German investigators. Given that German law dictates that prosecutors must investigate for innocence as well as guilt what on earth is he complaining about.
If there is evidence pointing to his innocence it will be disclosed, so if he is at all worried about that he could help them out a bit.

Anyway - I think the beef he has about ending up in the public domain is all down to Amaral without whose interference not even he might have known he was under investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 18, 2022, 11:47:21 AM
I'm sure Heri won't mind it being brought over.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/04/there-is-no-proof-that-christian-b-was.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 18, 2022, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 18, 2022, 11:47:21 AM
I'm sure Heri won't mind it being brought over.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/04/there-is-no-proof-that-christian-b-was.html
It's a very short article that tells us nothing we don't already know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 18, 2022, 12:06:25 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 18, 2022, 11:51:31 AM
It's a very short article that tells us nothing we don't already know.

A reminder is good though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 18, 2022, 12:16:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 18, 2022, 11:47:21 AM
I'm sure Heri won't mind it being brought over.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/04/there-is-no-proof-that-christian-b-was.html

Short and to the point, and pretty crucial for a successful prosecution, I would think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 18, 2022, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 18, 2022, 12:06:25 PM
A reminder is good though.
Who do you think needs reminding?  In fact is it even true at this point, as we don't know what progress the investigation may have made in the last few weeks/months, unless Heri has the inside track...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 18, 2022, 12:30:32 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 18, 2022, 12:16:14 PM
Short and to the point, and pretty crucial for a successful prosecution, I would think.

I think Heri has made a bit of a fool of himself with these sort of posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 18, 2022, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 18, 2022, 12:16:14 PM
Short and to the point, and pretty crucial for a successful prosecution, I would think.

Heri is not the prosecutor - Herr Wolters is the person with access to all the pertinent evidence which has made Brueckner the prime suspect in Madeleine's case.

I am sure that Herr Wolters knows full well the requirements for a successful prosecution and has worked and continues to work with that end in mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 18, 2022, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 18, 2022, 11:51:31 AM
It's a very short article that tells us nothing we don't already know.

It tells you exactly why grange is closing and why the Germans haven't even questioned CB yet, whats the point if you can't put him near the  crime scene .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 18, 2022, 01:04:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 18, 2022, 12:30:32 PM
I think Heri has made a bit of a fool of himself with these sort of posts.

Now if a sceptic said that , there'd be hell to pay.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 18, 2022, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 18, 2022, 01:02:28 PM
It tells you exactly why grange is closing and why the Germans haven't even questioned CB yet, whats the point if you can't put him near the  crime scene .

Some of us already had the answer to both these questions.. And it isn't this
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 18, 2022, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 18, 2022, 01:02:28 PM
It tells you exactly why grange is closing and why the Germans haven't even questioned CB yet, whats the point if you can't put him near the  crime scene .
I'm afraid it doesn't do anything of the sort.  What is the point of what, exactly?  Attempting to get charges to stick?  Yeah, what is the point of any investigation into a hard to solve crime, may as well not bother right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 18, 2022, 08:16:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 18, 2022, 01:17:53 PM
Some of us already had the answer to both these questions.. And it isn't this

We don't all worship at the altar of the BKA.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 18, 2022, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 18, 2022, 08:16:57 PM
We don't all worship at the altar of the BKA.

Looks like the PJ do
The SOL expires in 2weeks but the Portuguese aren't closing their investigation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 19, 2022, 09:38:51 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 18, 2022, 08:57:06 PM
Looks like the PJ do
The SOL expires in 2weeks but the Portuguese aren't closing their investigation

Not sure on that, if its believed the story is true of continuation then its also true they don't share the BKA theory.



One well-placed insider said Portuguese police and prosecutors were working on the theory Madeleine’s abductor could still be tried there because she may still be the victim of an ongoing kidnapping.

The insider said: “In the event Madeleine is still alive, we could be looking at a crime where the idea of a 15-year time limit on prosecution can go out of the window because the clock starts ticking the moment the crime stops.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 19, 2022, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 19, 2022, 09:38:51 AM
Not sure on that, if its believed the story is true of continuation then its also true they don't share the BKA theory.



One well-placed insider said Portuguese police and prosecutors were working on the theory Madeleine’s abductor could still be tried there because she may still be the victim of an ongoing kidnapping.

The insider said: “In the event Madeleine is still alive, we could be looking at a crime where the idea of a 15-year time limit on prosecution can go out of the window because the clock starts ticking the moment the crime stops.”

Lol... You think the Portuguese now think Maddie could still be alive
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 19, 2022, 12:25:59 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 19, 2022, 10:19:20 AM
Lol... You think the Portuguese now think Maddie could still be alive


Nope its the PJ apparently, now it can be looked at two ways imo, the Germans haven't disclosed which is the more likely imo, or the Germans need the PJ onboard and to do so the Portuguese to overide the SOL are still classing it as a misper, grange are no longer part of it, their remit overstayed its welcome, ages ago it could be said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 19, 2022, 01:56:26 PM
It doesn’t look like the PJ have the parents in their sights does it?  How do sceptics rationalize this apparent failure of duty on their part, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 19, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 19, 2022, 10:19:20 AM
Lol... You think the Portuguese now think Maddie could still be alive

Me too, I think it is likely that she is still alive
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 20, 2022, 07:48:01 AM
Quote from: sadie on April 19, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Me too, I think it is likely that she is still alive
There's as much merit in your theory as CB being a Mr. Big in anything, never mind a nonce ring or child trafficking gang; the man caught nicking derv and hawking it around in Fanta bottles?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 20, 2022, 09:43:23 AM
Quote from: The General on April 20, 2022, 07:48:01 AM
There's as much merit in your theory as CB being a Mr. Big in anything, never mind a nonce ring or child trafficking gang; the man caught nicking derv and hawking it around in Fanta bottles?

Whilst not agreeing with Sadie she has stuck to her guns, in her belief that madeleine was still alive in 2012. not varying and flim flamming between suspects who happen to appear as regular as the changing seasons ,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 20, 2022, 09:43:23 AM
Whilst not agreeing with Sadie she has stuck to her guns, in her belief that madeleine was still alive in 2012. not varying and flim flamming between suspects who happen to appear as regular as the changing seasons ,
Good to see you sticking up for Sadie in the face of some relentless bullying by some, it's most gallant of you. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 20, 2022, 10:38:12 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 20, 2022, 09:43:23 AM
Whilst not agreeing with Sadie she has stuck to her guns, in her belief that madeleine was still alive in 2012. not varying and flim flamming between suspects who happen to appear as regular as the changing seasons ,
Good to see you point out the rampant hypocrisy displayed by 'some' supporters. Egg Man was one of the first to be subjected to their unhinged ire, and he didn't even have a face, ffs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 20, 2022, 10:51:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 20, 2022, 09:43:23 AM
Whilst not agreeing with Sadie she has stuck to her guns, in her belief that madeleine was still alive in 2012. not varying and flim flamming between suspects who happen to appear as regular as the changing seasons ,
What absolute rubbish.. CB is the first real suspect.. The first suspect if any real significance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 20, 2022, 10:51:07 AM
What absolute rubbish.. CB is the first real suspect.. The first suspect if any real significance

So real and significant that despite 5 years of investigation there appears to be insufficient grounds to charge him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 20, 2022, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 11:18:59 AM
So real and significant that despite 5 years of investigation there appears to be insufficient grounds to charge him.
It's the stuff of folklore. It could be a record. Norris McWhirter racking up with a clipboard and a stopwatch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 20, 2022, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: The General on April 20, 2022, 07:48:01 AM
There's as much merit in your theory as CB being a Mr. Big in anything; the man caught nicking derv and hawking it around in Fanta bottles?


....fantastic post ruined by a moderator again.

Crikey, did you think I was thinking CB was a Mr Big?    How strange.


Really, I would have thought that you would have known that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 20, 2022, 12:17:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 11:18:59 AM
So real and significant that despite 5 years of investigation there appears to be insufficient grounds to charge him.

That's your opinion.. I think it's a lot more complex than that.  Do you not think that Wolters saying he's 100% sure is highly significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 20, 2022, 12:17:05 PM
That's your opinion.. I think it's a lot more complex than that.  Do you not think that Wolters saying he's 100% sure is highly significant

All I can say is that until Wolters puts his money where his mouth is we won't know. At the moment his mouth seems to be firmly closed; who by be don't know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 12:29:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 12:22:44 PM
All I can say is that until Wolters puts his money where his mouth is we won't know. At the moment his mouth seems to be firmly closed; who by be don't know.
Why are you assuming someone has closed his mouth for him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 11:18:59 AM
So real and significant that despite 5 years of investigation there appears to be insufficient grounds to charge him.
It took the FBI around seven years of investigating Ghislaine Maxwell before being in a position to bring charges.  Would you be saying at the end of Year 5 that they were wasting their time and that she had obviously never procured young girls for Jeffery Epstein and was a victim herself of money grabbing sluts selling their stories to the papers?  Probably, using sceptic logic! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 12:37:21 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 20, 2022, 12:29:03 PM
Why are you assuming someone has closed his mouth for him?

I'm not. He could have decided all by himself to shut up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2022, 12:54:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 12:37:21 PM
I'm not. He could have decided all by himself to shut up.

You might try doing the same thing, since you don't appear to know anything either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 12:37:21 PM
I'm not. He could have decided all by himself to shut up.
And if he has decided to be more circumspect why would you hold onto that as relevant in any way whatsoever? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 20, 2022, 01:00:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 12:22:44 PM
All I can say is that until Wolters puts his money where his mouth is we won't know. At the moment his mouth seems to be firmly closed; who by be don't know.

Another assumption by you.  He may well be waiting for the expiration of the SOL in Portugal.. Whatever you say someone in Wolters position saying he is 100% certain of Maddie's death and CBs guilt is highly significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 20, 2022, 01:09:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 12:37:21 PM
I'm not. He could have decided all by himself to shut up.
I am. The shot across Jutte Rabbe's bow has shut them all up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 01:39:55 PM
HCW last spoke the British Media this month so he hasn’t been silent for that long now, has he?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10723995/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-claims-waiting-questioned.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2022, 01:42:08 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 20, 2022, 12:56:33 PM
And if he has decided to be more circumspect why would you hold onto that as relevant in any way whatsoever?

Do try not to be so reasonable.  Gunit has no idea of what she is talking about, having only appeared long after the event.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 02:24:42 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 20, 2022, 01:00:46 PM
Another assumption by you.  He may well be waiting for the expiration of the SOL in Portugal.. Whatever you say someone in Wolters position saying he is 100% certain of Maddie's death and CBs guilt is highly significant

Wolters' rather lowly (imo) position is as one of around 5,000 public prosecutors in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2022, 02:29:08 PM
Wot?  Like Amaral; do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 02:45:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 20, 2022, 01:42:08 PM
Do try not to be so reasonable.  Gunit has no idea of what she is talking about, having only appeared long after the event.

I benefitted from having a lot of information to look at before making my mind up what I thought. Imo some people who were interested from the beginning reached their conclusions without that advantage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 02:24:42 PM
Wolters' rather lowly (imo) position is as one of around 5,000 public prosecutors in Germany.
Name another one whose pronouncements you are waiting for with baited breath.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 02:45:41 PM
I benefitted from having a lot of information to look at before making my mind up what I thought. Imo some people who were interested from the beginning reached their conclusions without that advantage.
Oh?  You've made your mind up have you??!  HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 02:52:54 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 20, 2022, 02:46:03 PM
Name another one whose pronouncements you are waiting for with baited breath.

I'm not waiting with bated breath for anyone's pronouncements.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 20, 2022, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 02:52:54 PM
I'm not waiting with bated breath for anyone's pronouncements.

Just as well.
I think we'll be waiting quite some time for any significant advance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 02:58:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 02:52:54 PM
I'm not waiting with bated breath for anyone's pronouncements.
Oh but I think you are.  We are all waiting for the next development.  You no doubt are hoping for an HCW mea culpa, perhaps his resignation or sacking, or at the least for him to announce that they have been unable to pin a charge on CB and are closing the investigation, whilst I am looking forward to an announcement that the BKA have concluded their investigation and charges will be brought.  Please don't pretend you are not looking forward to more news from the German prosecutor, it's an insult to my intelligence. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 20, 2022, 03:58:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 02:45:41 PM
I benefitted from having a lot of information to look at before making my mind up what I thought. Imo some people who were interested from the beginning reached their conclusions without that advantage.

More rubbish.. How do you know how others reached their conclusion
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 05:03:48 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 20, 2022, 03:58:29 PM
More rubbish.. How do you know how others reached their conclusion
Well we know Amaral had made up his mind on Day One so maybe she has a point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 20, 2022, 05:17:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 20, 2022, 12:22:44 PM
All I can say is that until Wolters puts his money where his mouth is we won't know. At the moment his mouth seems to be firmly closed; who by be don't know.
  By investigating CB rather closely one would think judging by early comments by Wolters its now possible that having thought he did he now rules him out which itself would be progress .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 20, 2022, 05:25:25 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 20, 2022, 10:51:07 AM
What absolute rubbish.. CB is the first real suspect.. The first suspect if any real significance

Wot not even the three amigos back in 2014.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 05:26:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 20, 2022, 05:17:40 PM
  By investigating CB rather closely one would think judging by early comments by Wolters its now possible that having thought he did he now rules him out which itself would be progress .
Erm…no.

“Hans Christian Wolters, a prosecutor in the German McCann investigation, insisted that Scotland Yard's decision would have no bearing on their work.

He told MailOnline: 'Our investigations are independent of the British ones.

'We have no time limit. Therefore, we have the time to investigate as long as we have investigative approaches.

'At this moment I cannot say when the investigations will be completed but we are confident they will, and he is still seen as a prime suspect in the case.'”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 20, 2022, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 20, 2022, 02:56:34 PM
Just as well.
I think we'll be waiting quite some time for any significant advance.

There'll be another Easter parade before then, then another, then another ..........................
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 20, 2022, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 20, 2022, 05:26:44 PM
Erm…no.

“Hans Christian Wolters, a prosecutor in the German McCann investigation, insisted that Scotland Yard's decision would have no bearing on their work.

He told MailOnline: 'Our investigations are independent of the British ones.

'We have no time limit. Therefore, we have the time to investigate as long as we have investigative approaches.

'At this moment I cannot say when the investigations will be completed but we are confident they will, and he is still seen as a prime suspect in the case.'”

You trust peoples word.

Fans at fault (Hillsborough)

War in Iraq because of WMD's, (there wasn't)

No lockdown parties at no10 ( there were)

No invasion of Ukraine (there is )


I did not have sexual relations with that woman" ..(he did ) Clinton.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 20, 2022, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 20, 2022, 05:31:55 PM
You trust peoples word.

Fans at fault (Hillsborough)

War in Iraq because of WMD's, (there wasn't)

No lockdown parties at no10 ( there were)

No invasion of Ukraine (there is )


I did not have sexual relations with that woman" ..(he did ) Clinton.

So you think HCW has ruled CB out but is only pretending to still be investigating him?  Um, ok.   (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 21, 2022, 07:22:38 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 20, 2022, 07:24:18 PM
So you think HCW has ruled CB out but is only pretending to still be investigating him?  Um, ok.   (&^&
Do you consider each passing day since announcing CB was a prime suspect is closer or further away from a conviction ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 21, 2022, 07:29:34 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 21, 2022, 07:22:38 AM
Do you consider each passing day since announcing CB was a prime suspect is closer or further away from a conviction ?
Who knows?  Some investigations take many years.  Look how long it took in the case of Ghislaine Maxwell.  Everyone *knew* she was a sexual predator, she was frequently being “libelled” in the press, found guilty by the media etc, , but it took the police a long time of collecting evidence to get to the point of charging her, and even then all the evidence against her was circumstantial and one person’s word agsinst another.   So, who knows re: CB?  You can sneer and scoff all you like, but perhaps the most sensible approach would just be to wait and see with an open mind?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 07:59:56 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 21, 2022, 07:29:34 AM
Who knows?  Some investigations take many years.  Look how long it took in the case of Ghislaine Maxwell.  Everyone *knew* she was a sexual predator, she was frequently being “libelled” in the press, found guilty by the media etc, , but it took the police a long time of collecting evidence to get to the point of charging her, and even then all the evidence against her was circumstantial and one person’s word agsinst another.   So, who knows re: CB?  You can sneer and scoff all you like, but perhaps the most sensible approach would just be to wait and see with an open mind?

I think there are some who are placing too much faith in the claims made by Wolters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 21, 2022, 08:51:11 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 21, 2022, 07:29:34 AM
Who knows?  Some investigations take many years.  Look how long it took in the case of Ghislaine Maxwell.  Everyone *knew* she was a sexual predator, she was frequently being “libelled” in the press, found guilty by the media etc, , but it took the police a long time of collecting evidence to get to the point of charging her, and even then all the evidence against her was circumstantial and one person’s word agsinst another.   So, who knows re: CB?  You can sneer and scoff all you like, but perhaps the most sensible approach would just be to wait and see with an open mind?

I think it definitely would be a good idea to wait for developments with an open mind.  I will be surprised if the imminence of the Portuguese Statute of Limitations coming into force doesn't have a bearing on the apparent inactivity of the investigation.  We shall see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 21, 2022, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 07:59:56 AM
I think there are some who are placing too much faith in the claims made by Wolters.

I thing pretty well all sceptics are in denial. These are not the claims and conclusions of Wolters but of the whole BKA investigation.. The German FBI.
To suggest the claims are not highly significant is denying reality.. Imo.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 21, 2022, 08:59:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 07:59:56 AM
I think there are some who are placing too much faith in the claims made by Wolters.
It's very telling Re sceptic logic.  From what I can see.. Grime had the support of one FBI member.. Rex Stocckham... Yer sceptics tals as if he had the backing and admiration of the whole FBI.
I think some have too much faith in the claims of Grime.

Wolters has the support of the whole BKA investigation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 09:24:33 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 21, 2022, 08:52:47 AM
I thing pretty well all sceptics are in denial. These are not the claims and conclusions of Wolters but of the whole BKA investigation.. The German FBI.
To suggest the claims are not highly significant is denying reality.. Imo.

The BKA hasn't, afaik, publicly declared that their suspect is guilty of murder. Their job is to investigate and collect evidence. The prosecutor's job is to evaluate the evidence and decide whether to charge the suspect. It's for the courts to decide if a suspect is guilty or innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 21, 2022, 09:37:37 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 21, 2022, 08:52:47 AM
I thing pretty well all sceptics are in denial. These are not the claims and conclusions of Wolters but of the whole BKA investigation.. The German FBI.
To suggest the claims are not highly significant is denying reality.. Imo.

That was a stance back in 2014 when Grange were hot on the trail of the locals, look how that turned out .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 21, 2022, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 21, 2022, 07:29:34 AM
Who knows?  Some investigations take many years.  Look how long it took in the case of Ghislaine Maxwell.  Everyone *knew* she was a sexual predator, she was frequently being “libelled” in the press, found guilty by the media etc, , but it took the police a long time of collecting evidence to get to the point of charging her, and even then all the evidence against her was circumstantial and one person’s word agsinst another.   So, who knows re: CB?  You can sneer and scoff all you like, but perhaps the most sensible approach would just be to wait and see with an open mind?

Rowley in 2017  said one critical line of enquiry ,Hogan Howe previous to that also talked of the same , that was imo and still is was CB in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007, no one it seems imo can say he was, maybe because he wasn't that's why Wolters appealed for info, if any was forthcoming it certainly wasn't a game changer in the CB stakes of he done it .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 10:09:49 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 21, 2022, 09:37:37 AM
That was a stance back in 2014 when Grange were hot on the trail of the locals, look how that turned out .

If ever the Germans charge Brueckner his trial will be closely observed and analysed. Wolters made sure of that when he stated that the suspect was guilty of murder. With such interest the evidence will have to be pristine imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 21, 2022, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 10:09:49 AM
If ever the Germans charge Brueckner his trial will be closely observed and analysed. Wolters made sure of that when he stated that the suspect was guilty of murder. With such interest the evidence will have to be pristine imo.

From the link misty gave in the MWT thread,  how does this work ?

The German authorities claim to have evidence that Maddie is dead and that Christian B is guilty of her murder, but also admit that there are insufficient grounds to prosecute him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 21, 2022, 10:22:43 AM
From the link misty gave in the MWT thread,  how does this work ?

The German authorities claim to have evidence that Maddie is dead and that Christian B is guilty of her murder, but also admit that there are insufficient grounds to prosecute him.

That's an oxymoron if ever I saw one. The reality, I suspect is that they have some evidence but not enough to prove their suspicions are correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 21, 2022, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 10:09:49 AM
If ever the Germans charge Brueckner his trial will be closely observed and analysed. Wolters made sure of that when he stated that the suspect was guilty of murder. With such interest the evidence will have to be pristine imo.

You say - "Wolters made sure of that when he stated that the suspect was guilty of murder."
T'would be useful if you would provide a direct link to Wolters actually saying so.  Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 21, 2022, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 07:59:56 AM
I think there are some who are placing too much faith in the claims made by Wolters.
who cares?  Whatever anyone thinks won't affect the outcome.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 21, 2022, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 10:41:32 AM
That's an oxymoron if ever I saw one. The reality, I suspect is that they have some evidence but not enough to prove their suspicions are correct.
In what way is that an oxymoron?  Do explain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 21, 2022, 11:03:33 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 10:41:32 AM
That's an oxymoron if ever I saw one. The reality, I suspect is that they have some evidence but not enough to prove their suspicions are correct.

Please stop making it up as you go along and accept the reality of the situation.

The Germans believe they have the evidence - and they have explained in words of one syllable why they are in no rush to use it.

Surely the explained reasoning must make sense to even the most diehard of sceptics.  Then again, probably not;  I'm finding it difficult to match up the jagged ends of denial in progress and the solidarity being shown to a convicted paedophile and rapist.



The case against Brueckner, currently in a German prison for an unrelated crime, is circumstantial, Mr Wolters said.
"It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now," he said.


** "But it's not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible. **

"When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.
"That's why we said we'll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I'm not saying that what we have is insufficient now.
"But he's in prison, so we don't have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands."
https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-claims-100-per-cent-sure-christian-b-killed-maddie/fe682412-fac8-4f51-ba3a-79526dd276f9

**"But it's not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.**

It makes perfect sense to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 11:27:35 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 21, 2022, 11:03:33 AM
Please stop making it up as you go along and accept the reality of the situation.

The Germans believe they have the evidence - and they have explained in words of one syllable why they are in no rush to use it.

Surely the explained reasoning must make sense to even the most diehard of sceptics.  Then again, probably not;  I'm finding it difficult to match up the jagged ends of denial in progress and the solidarity being shown to a convicted paedophile and rapist.



The case against Brueckner, currently in a German prison for an unrelated crime, is circumstantial, Mr Wolters said.
"It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now," he said.


** "But it's not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible. **

"When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.
"That's why we said we'll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I'm not saying that what we have is insufficient now.
"But he's in prison, so we don't have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands."
https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-german-prosecutor-claims-100-per-cent-sure-christian-b-killed-maddie/fe682412-fac8-4f51-ba3a-79526dd276f9

**"But it's not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.**

It makes perfect sense to me.

So 6 months ago they had enough evidence to charge him, said Brueckner. That evidence was, however, circumstantial and they still had unanswered questions. We don't know if they have progressed from there or not, but the lack of action suggests they're still not ready. Whatever convinced Wolters that Madeleine McCann was murdered by Brueckner he doesn't seem confident that it's enough to convince a criminal court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 21, 2022, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 10:09:49 AM
If ever the Germans charge Brueckner his trial will be closely observed and analysed. Wolters made sure of that when he stated that the suspect was guilty of murder. With such interest the evidence will have to be pristine imo.
What you don't seem to realise is Wolters understands this and the evidence would need to be pristine in any case.
Wolters has said why charge now when he has the chance to find more evidence.  That doesn't mean he doesn't have enough to charge and convict... It means he wants to present the best case he can
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 21, 2022, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 11:27:35 AM
So 6 months ago they had enough evidence to charge him, said Brueckner. That evidence was, however, circumstantial and they still had unanswered questions. We don't know if they have progressed from there or not, but the lack of action suggests they're still not ready. Whatever convinced Wolters that Madeleine McCann was murdered by Brueckner he doesn't seem confident that it's enough to convince a criminal court.

Wolters may have absolite proof but some of the evidence may have come from thevAustralian and Paraguayan investigation and not be admissible in Germany. As I understand there is currently an argument being put before the court to clarify this in another German paedophile investigation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 12:12:06 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 21, 2022, 12:03:29 PM
Wolters may have absolite proof but some of the evidence may have come from thevAustralian and Paraguayan investigation and not be admissible in Germany. As I understand there is currently an argument being put before the court to clarify this in another German paedophile investigation

There could be any reason for the delay. Meanwhile those affected remain in limbo. A badly managed state of affairs imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 21, 2022, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 21, 2022, 12:03:29 PM
Wolters may have absolite proof but some of the evidence may have come from thevAustralian and Paraguayan investigation and not be admissible in Germany. As I understand there is currently an argument being put before the court to clarify this in another German paedophile investigation

German paedophile Investigation?!
How strange, most countries use detectives.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 21, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 21, 2022, 12:34:18 PM
German paedophile Investigation?!
How strange, most countries use detectives.
You never know, kid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 21, 2022, 05:27:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 11:27:35 AM
So 6 months ago they had enough evidence to charge him, said Brueckner. That evidence was, however, circumstantial and they still had unanswered questions. We don't know if they have progressed from there or not, but the lack of action suggests they're still not ready. Whatever convinced Wolters that Madeleine McCann was murdered by Brueckner he doesn't seem confident that it's enough to convince a criminal court.

I despair of your English language comprehension skills.

Please read the link I provided yet again and take note of the comments made by Wolters; you will find them within the quotation marks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 21, 2022, 05:36:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 12:12:06 PM
There could be any reason for the delay. Meanwhile those affected remain in limbo. A badly managed state of affairs imo.
I'm glad you accept there could be several reasons for the delay.  I just want to see justice done... I'm not particularly worried about any delay
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 21, 2022, 08:16:06 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-christian-brueckner-named-official-26766428?fbclid=IwAR0m85nzNFEqT4CAtjQ6Tp2ZbveS7_nvs2ZDeM9qQGLB4s5XgwY9HfNspJQ
https://m.bild.de/bild-plus/news/ausland/news-ausland/maddie-verdaechtiger-christian-brueckner-droht-anklage-in-portugal-79834310,view=conversionToLogin.bildMobile.html#%23%23wt_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bild.de%2Fbild-plus%2Fnews%2Fausland%2Fnews-ausland%2Fmaddie-verdaechtiger-christian-brueckner-droht-anklage-in-portugal-79834310%2Cview%3DconversionToLogin.bild.html&wt_t=1650568501890

CB has been declared ‘arguido’ by the PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 21, 2022, 08:16:06 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-christian-brueckner-named-official-26766428?fbclid=IwAR0m85nzNFEqT4CAtjQ6Tp2ZbveS7_nvs2ZDeM9qQGLB4s5XgwY9HfNspJQ
https://m.bild.de/bild-plus/news/ausland/news-ausland/maddie-verdaechtiger-christian-brueckner-droht-anklage-in-portugal-79834310,view=conversionToLogin.bildMobile.html#%23%23wt_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bild.de%2Fbild-plus%2Fnews%2Fausland%2Fnews-ausland%2Fmaddie-verdaechtiger-christian-brueckner-droht-anklage-in-portugal-79834310%2Cview%3DconversionToLogin.bild.html&wt_t=1650568501890

CB has been declared ‘arguido’ by the PJ.

So Portugal seems to be asserting it's jurisdiction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 21, 2022, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 21, 2022, 10:45:33 PM
So Portugal seems to be asserting it's jurisdiction.
They have confirmed they support the the parents claim that Maddie was abducted
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 22, 2022, 07:57:58 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 21, 2022, 10:49:16 PM
They have confirmed they support the the parents claim that Maddie was abducted
So they're competent and to be trusted now? You've changed your tune on a sixpence; a remarkable volte face Davage.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 22, 2022, 08:20:28 AM
Quote from: The General on April 22, 2022, 07:57:58 AM
So they're competent and to be trusted now? You've changed your tune on a sixpence; a remarkable volte face Davage.

Ibe changed nothing... I'm simply stating a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 22, 2022, 08:26:00 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 22, 2022, 08:20:28 AM
Ibe changed nothing... I'm simply stating a fact.
If it’s taken the PJ 15 years to get around to nailing the perpetrator of this crime, after years of making direct and veiled accusations towards the parents I would hardly describe them as competent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 22, 2022, 09:50:53 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 22, 2022, 08:26:00 AM
If it’s taken the PJ 15 years to get around to nailing the perpetrator of this crime, after years of making direct and veiled accusations towards the parents I would hardly describe them as competent.


The arrest and subsequent trial took place when ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on April 22, 2022, 09:58:43 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 22, 2022, 08:26:00 AM
If it’s taken the PJ 15 years to get around to nailing the perpetrator of this crime, after years of making direct and veiled accusations towards the parents I would hardly describe them as competent.

Almost all modern police cases are being solved with CCTV images and phone evidence. Competent or not, they did not have the main tools because the phone towers are too rare and no CCTV. What they have left is the DNA and potential witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 22, 2022, 10:14:47 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 22, 2022, 09:50:53 AM

The arrest and subsequent trial took place when ?
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 22, 2022, 10:17:24 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on April 22, 2022, 09:58:43 AM
Almost all modern police cases are being solved with CCTV images and phone evidence. Competent or not, they did not have the main tools because the phone towers are too rare and no CCTV. What they have left is the DNA and potential witnesses.


Not clear that there is useful DNA. Wolters said no forensics, as I recall.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 22, 2022, 10:18:29 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 22, 2022, 10:14:47 AM
What are you talking about?

Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 22, 2022, 08:26:00 AM
If it’s taken the PJ 15 years to get around to nailing the perpetrator of this crime, after years of making direct and veiled accusations towards the parents I would hardly describe them as competent.

What are you on about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 22, 2022, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: jassi on April 22, 2022, 10:17:24 AM


Not clear that there is useful DNA. Wolters said no forensics, as I recall.

That is why he's turned to the PJ for help .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 22, 2022, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: barrier on April 22, 2022, 10:19:42 AM
That is why he's turned to the PJ for help .

CB lawyer referred to it as a 'procedural trick' according to Bild.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/21/madeleine-mccann-man-named-as-formal-suspect-by-portuguese-authorities
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 22, 2022, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 22, 2022, 10:18:29 AM
What are you on about.
Which bit of it don't you understand, let's see if I can help...

"If it’s taken the PJ 15 years to get around to nailing the perpetrator of this crime..."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 22, 2022, 12:09:29 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 22, 2022, 12:07:44 PM
Which bit of it don't you understand, let's see if I can help...

"If it’s taken the PJ 15 years to get around to nailing the perpetrator of this crime..."
....and the BKA 11 and counting. But who is counting?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 22, 2022, 12:20:23 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 22, 2022, 12:07:44 PM
Which bit of it don't you understand, let's see if I can help...

"If it’s taken the PJ 15 years to get around to nailing the perpetrator of this crime..."

Making someone an arguido doesn't mean they have been 'nailed' though, does it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 22, 2022, 06:14:23 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 22, 2022, 12:20:23 PM
Making someone an arguido doesn't mean they have been 'nailed' though, does it?
Someone else who doesn’t appear to understand plain English.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on April 22, 2022, 06:16:49 PM
It would appear that the latest revelations concerning the status of Christian Brückner has served to increase the need for proactive moderation once more. I will be watching very closely for any infringement of the rules for the foreseeable future.

Continued goading and the use of inappropriate language will result in posting restrictions for those concerned.

Admin
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on April 22, 2022, 06:23:47 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 22, 2022, 12:20:23 PM
Making someone an arguido doesn't mean they have been 'nailed' though, does it?

Clearly the Portuguese wish to keep their options open so they have chosen to be persuaded by the Germans in this instance. Can't see it going anywhere though as there just isn't any direct evidence that we know of connecting Bruckner with Madeleine McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 22, 2022, 06:27:41 PM
Quote from: Admin on April 22, 2022, 06:23:47 PM
Clearly the Portuguese wish to keep their options open so they have chosen to be persuaded by the Germans in this instance. Can't see it going anywhere though as there just isn't any direct evidence that we know of connecting Bruckner with Madeleine McCann.
”that we know of” being the operative phrase. Why Joe Public thinks they are in any position to know what’s going on behind the scenes of this case is something that hever fails to amuse me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 22, 2022, 06:38:45 PM
So as this week draws to a close we can safely say that HCW has not been told to keep quiet, nor has he been demoted or fired, that the Germans aren’t secretly scaling down their investigation into CB out of embarrassment, and that the PJ consider CB the only person currently worthy of the status of official suspect in the case of Madeleine’s disappearance and that there are “strong indications of the practice of a crime” pointing to his involvement..  I’d say that these events have proven quote a few mouthy individuals wrong, no wonder they’re so agitated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 22, 2022, 07:02:53 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 22, 2022, 06:38:45 PM
So as this week draws to a close we can safely say that HCW has not been told to keep quiet, nor has he been demoted or fired, that the Germans aren’t secretly scaling down their investigation into CB out of embarrassment, and that the PJ consider CB the only person currently worthy of the status of official suspect in the case of Madeleine’s disappearance and that there are “strong indications of the practice of a crime” pointing to his involvement..  I’d say that these events have proven quote a few mouthy individuals wrong, no wonder they’re so agitated.

Yep another week with out charges, you'll get over it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 22, 2022, 07:18:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on April 22, 2022, 07:02:53 PM
Yep another week with out charges, you'll get over it.
Did I ever claim that charges were about to be brought?  No.  Unlike others (you included) who pretend to know exactly what’s going on, I prefer the “wait and see” approach, that way I don’t end up looking like a fool.
PS: I notice you’re not so rude over on WS, why is that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on April 22, 2022, 07:42:31 PM
Quote from: Admin on April 22, 2022, 06:23:47 PM
Clearly the Portuguese wish to keep their options open so they have chosen to be persuaded by the Germans in this instance. Can't see it going anywhere though as there just isn't any direct evidence that we know of connecting Bruckner with Madeleine McCann.

The Portuguese were left with two choices. Either designate Bruckner as an arguido or don't do so. IMO they couldn't take the risk of not doing so in case new evidence turns up.

As it stands though, there is nothing to connect Bruckner to Madeleine's disappearance, certainly nothing that would stand up to scrutiny in a court of law.

Wolters claims have not survived the test of time, nobody has come forward with that smoking gun, the truth being there isn't anyone to come forward. Bruckner is getting off on all the attention, he knows that the Germans have been busily digging one great big hole for themselves and now both they and the Portuguese have fallen into it.

Bruckner might well face other prosecutions for the rape of the Irish tour rep or for other abuse cases but he will never be tried for the abduction and/or murder of Madeleine McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on April 22, 2022, 07:53:22 PM
The intriguing bit in all of this is that the McCanns have come out in support of the Portuguese designating Bruckner an arguido. Since the Portuguese are acting on behalf of the Germans and as the Germans claim that Maddie is dead and that Bruckner killed her, are we to now assume that the McCanns have given up on their hope that she is still alive and well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 22, 2022, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on April 22, 2022, 07:53:22 PM
The intriguing bit in all of this is that the McCanns have come out in support of the Portuguese designating Bruckner an arguido. Since the Portuguese are acting on behalf of the Germans and as the Germans claim that Maddie is dead and that Bruckner killed her, are we to now assume that the McCanns have given up on their hope that she is still alive and well.

It's 15 years now so it's clear that the McCann's accept the reality that there is next to no chance of Maddie being alive
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on April 22, 2022, 08:03:48 PM
It is also worth pointing out that the Germans could prosecute Bruckner any time they like regardless of the Portuguese 15-year rule if, and it is a big IF, they had real evidence which they obviously don't have.

Are the Germans now hoping that the Portuguese prosecutor takes up the mantle to get them off the hook?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 22, 2022, 08:10:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on April 22, 2022, 08:03:48 PM
It is also worth pointing out that the Germans could prosecute Bruckner any time they like regardless of the Portuguese 15-year rule if, and it is a big IF, they had real evidence which they obviously don't have.

Are the Germans now hoping that the Portuguese prosecutor takes up the mantle to get them off the hook?

Looks like you haven't been keeping up to speed with developments
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 22, 2022, 08:42:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on April 22, 2022, 08:03:48 PM
It is also worth pointing out that the Germans could prosecute Bruckner any time they like regardless of the Portuguese 15-year rule if, and it is a big IF, they had real evidence which they obviously don't have.

Are the Germans now hoping that the Portuguese prosecutor takes up the mantle to get them off the hook?
Are you also Admin?  I think we should be told.  Because you and “Admin” claim to know that which you cannot possibly know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 22, 2022, 09:00:51 PM
The much respected Jim Gamble speaks so much sense:

“We don’t know what the German police aren't saying. What we do know is it is significant they are speaking with the level of confidence they are about an investigation as sensitive as this.

“Having worked with the German police before, my experience of them is they were conservative in their approach, they certainly didn’t build an anticipation of a particular outcome until they were in a position to do something about it.

“I wouldn’t undervalue or underestimate the German prosecutor's confidence when he speaks. But time will tell if this is just another chapter in this story, or if it is the final one and I hope it is the final one.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 22, 2022, 10:23:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on April 22, 2022, 07:53:22 PM
The intriguing bit in all of this is that the McCanns have come out in support of the Portuguese designating Bruckner an arguido. Since the Portuguese are acting on behalf of the Germans and as the Germans claim that Maddie is dead and that Bruckner killed her, are we to now assume that the McCanns have given up on their hope that she is still alive and well.

Just how stupid are you?

Does my comment amount to Innapproptriate language?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 22, 2022, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 22, 2022, 10:23:50 PM
Just how stupid are you?

Does my comment amount to Innapproptriate language?

Do they keep wiping your posts Elli ?

I suffered that especially under Slarti.   The better and more original the post, the more likely it was to disappear

Illegitimi non carborundum
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 23, 2022, 12:56:45 AM
Quote from: sadie on April 22, 2022, 11:13:07 PM
Do they keep wiping your posts Elli ?

I suffered that especially under Slarti.   The better and more original the post, the more likely it was to disappear

Illegitimi non carborundum

I have no idea Sade.  And I don't really care.  My problem was caring too much.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Ms Para glider on April 23, 2022, 01:22:25 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 23, 2022, 12:56:45 AM
I have no idea Sade.  And I don't really care.  My problem was caring too much.

I don't know you that well, so maybe inappropriate for me to say this but please don't stop caring. I can see you've been a massive contributor here and I find it disgusting how you've been treated. Keep fighting, keep challenging, keep sticking it up em' @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 23, 2022, 01:40:12 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on April 22, 2022, 08:03:48 PM
It is also worth pointing out that the Germans could prosecute Bruckner any time they like regardless of the Portuguese 15-year rule if, and it is a big IF, they had real evidence which they obviously don't have.

Are the Germans now hoping that the Portuguese prosecutor takes up the mantle to get them off the hook?

The Portuguese won't be able to extradite Brueckner from Germany as there is a pending criminal case against him there for the same crime. Their only option would be to try him in absentia, unless they've already sent a EAW to Italy to complicate matters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 23, 2022, 02:18:44 AM
Quote from: Ms Para glider on April 23, 2022, 01:22:25 AM
I don't know you that well, so maybe inappropriate for me to say this but please don't stop caring. I can see you've been a massive contributor here and I find it disgusting how you've been treated. Keep fighting, keep challenging, keep sticking it up em' @)(++(*

Thank you.  But it isn't going down well at the moment.  Admin is getting very cross.  They might even ban me in a minute.

Sadly, I am your best friend and their worst enemy..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Ms Para glider on April 23, 2022, 02:43:08 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 23, 2022, 02:18:44 AM
Thank you.  But it isn't going down well at the moment.  Admin is getting very cross.  They might even ban me in a minute.

Sadly, I am your best friend and their worst enemy..
Well let them disgrace themselves. I couldn't give a damn about being banned to be honest. There's more at stake here. Getting to the 'truth' is what is important, the records will show those who sought to suppress views without good justification
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 23, 2022, 04:19:49 AM
Quote from: Ms Para glider on April 23, 2022, 02:43:08 AM
Well let them disgrace themselves. I couldn't give a damn about being banned to be honest. There's more at stake here. Getting to the 'truth' is what iis important, the records will show those who sought to suppress views without good justification
   

If only it were that simple. I have learned to take it easy.
,
I have nothing to say about Moderation.  It will always be a personal opinion.  That is The Rub.  To Be or Not To Be.                                       
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on April 23, 2022, 11:58:36 AM
Those long standing members who obey the rules have never had an issue.

The rest have only themselves to blame.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2022, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: Admin on April 23, 2022, 11:58:36 AM
Those long standing members who obey the rules have never had an issue.

The rest have only themselves to blame.

If you are going to accuse people of only having themselves to blame then expect a response.  I've suffered some appalling moderation on this forum.. Often corrected by john
I don't see myself in the slightest to blame.  Might not be a good idea not to insult posters on this thread
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2022, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: Admin on April 23, 2022, 11:58:36 AM
Those long standing members who obey the rules have never had an issue.

The rest have only themselves to blame.

Good example of poor moderation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 23, 2022, 02:14:22 PM
If you are going to accuse people of only having themselves to blame then expect a response.  I've suffered some appalling moderation on this forum.. Often corrected by john
I don't see myself in the slightest to blame.  Might not be a good idea not to insult posters on this thread

Are you saying you have never broken forum rules?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 23, 2022, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 05:20:49 PM
Are you saying you have never broken forum rules?
Off topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2022, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 05:20:49 PM
Are you saying you have never broken forum rules?

If you want to continue off topic posts.. Criticising moderation then you are breaking forum rules.  What I have said is very clear but it seems you need to read it again. Poor moderation has caused a lot of problems on this forum.. Fact... To suggest posters only have themselves to blame is untrue and another example of poor moderation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2022, 05:59:56 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 23, 2022, 05:37:46 PM
Off topic.

Yes.. An off topic goang post initially from a mod and another mod wants to continue in the same vein.. Admin will be a current mod..any mod got the guts to own the post or is it a matter of hiding cowardly
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2022, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 01:40:12 AM
The Portuguese won't be able to extradite Brueckner from Germany as there is a pending criminal case against him there for the same crime. Their only option would be to try him in absentia, unless they've already sent a EAW to Italy to complicate matters.

I think some underestimate how smart and thorough Wolters is.
CB was extradited from Italy and as we've seen that can complicate things to charge for crimes not on the original request.
May well be Wolters has to make a further request to Italy to charge for this case.. Which may be subject to the crime being in the SOR of the original country of the offence.
It's complex and I'm sure Wolters is crossing his ts and dotting his lower case js
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 23, 2022, 05:55:32 PM
If you want to continue off topic posts.. Criticising moderation then you are breaking forum rules.  What I have said is very clear but it seems you need to read it again. Poor moderation has caused a lot of problems on this forum.. Fact... To suggest posters only have themselves to blame is untrue and another example of poor moderation

I think that answers my question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 06:50:08 PM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 01:40:12 AM
The Portuguese won't be able to extradite Brueckner from Germany as there is a pending criminal case against him there for the same crime. Their only option would be to try him in absentia, unless they've already sent a EAW to Italy to complicate matters.

The Germans have made no legal moves against Brueckner, they haven't even questioned him. An EAW to Italy will have no effect as the Italians can only arrest someone who's in Italy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 23, 2022, 06:55:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 06:50:08 PM
The Germans have made no legal moves against Brueckner, they haven't even questioned him. An EAW to Italy will have no effect as the Italians can only arrest someone who's in Italy.
you’re wrong about that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2022, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 06:50:08 PM
The Germans have made no legal moves against Brueckner, they haven't even questioned him. An EAW to Italy will have no effect as the Italians can only arrest someone who's in Italy.

You're missing the point.  Cbs extradition from 🇮🇹did not cover the rape case.. I'll let you work the rest out if you can
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 23, 2022, 08:39:31 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant
*snipped*
Specialty
A state wishing to prosecute a surrendered person for offences committed before his or her surrender, or extradite a surrendered person to a third state, must, subject to certain exception, obtain the permission of the executing judicial authority. Such a request is made in the same form as a European Arrest Warrant, and granted or refused using the same rules which determine whether surrender would be granted or refused.



Brueckner was surrendered by Italy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 23, 2022, 08:48:52 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-alibi-backed-26781760

Christian Brueckner was made an arguido - a suspect - in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Now, four witnesses have spoken to a Channel 5 documentary, backing his alibi


ByPatrick HillNews Reporter
19:30, 23 Apr 2022
An alibi from a paedophile accused of abducting Madeleine McCann has been backed by four people, a TV show claims.

This will pile fresh heartache on parents Kate and Gerry, who welcomed Portuguese police making Christian Brueckner an arguido, or suspect.

The declaration was seen as a sign police may be finally near charging Brueckner, 44, over three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance in 2007 during a family holiday at Praia da Luz in the Algarve.

Four witnesses have spoken to a Channel 5 documentary about the case, which is hosted by ex-police detective Mark Williams-Thomas – who has been in lengthy contact with Brueckner via ­letter. Madeleine McCann: Investigating The Prime Suspect will air on May 3.

A Channel 5 insider said: “Christian Brueckner has provided a very detailed alibi for the days leading up to and after Madeleine’s disappearance.

“That has been checked out by our team and fully examined. We’ve spoken to four people who have gone on the record to independently, in different ways, support his alibi. They have got nothing to benefit from supporting him and, in fact, a couple of those people really don’t like him but they have still backed his account.”

(article continues)

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This is going to get very messy imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 23, 2022, 09:07:47 PM
I presume that these 4 witnesses have made or will make sworn statements to that effect.

Would this explain why Wolters is now talking about dealing with the less serious cases first ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 23, 2022, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 23, 2022, 09:07:47 PM
I presume that these 4 witnesses have made or will make sworn statements to that effect.

Would this explain why Wolters is now talking about dealing with the less serious cases first ?

Tonight I again feel like the Prophet of Doom.
I can foresee Portugal quickly charging Brueckner with abduction/murder of Madeleine.
He will be tried In Absentia, surrendering the right to be tried in Portugal with a legal team appointed to defend him.
He will be cleared unless Germany surrender their concrete evidence to Portuguese Prosecutors.
 If he's cleared, I don't think Germany will be able to charge him for the same crime(s) because of the terms of the EAW.

Somebody - anybody - please explain how I could be wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 23, 2022, 09:20:00 PM
I wonder if any of the 4 are Portuguese, if they are known to MWT they are known to the BKA and Pj, if at least one is Portuguese does declaring CB an arguido allow the PJ to question for the BKA via ILOR as per Grange at one time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 23, 2022, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 09:19:39 PM
Tonight I again feel like the Prophet of Doom.
I can foresee Portugal quickly charging Brueckner with abduction/murder of Madeleine.
He will be tried In Absentia, surrendering the right to be tried in Portugal with a legal team appointed to defend him.
He will be cleared unless Germany surrender their concrete evidence to Portuguese Prosecutors.
 If he's cleared, I don't think Germany will be able to charge him for the same crime(s) because of the terms of the EAW.

Somebody - anybody - please explain how I could be wrong.

You could be right, I was shot down in flames when I said the PJ played Grange back in 2014, looks similar now.

What ever the PJ have ,CB is entitled to know through his legal team, thats another point who appoints and pays a legal team in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 23, 2022, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 09:19:39 PM
Tonight I again feel like the Prophet of Doom.
I can foresee Portugal quickly charging Brueckner with abduction/murder of Madeleine.
He will be tried In Absentia, surrendering the right to be tried in Portugal with a legal team appointed to defend him.
He will be cleared unless Germany surrender their concrete evidence to Portuguese Prosecutors.
 If he's cleared, I don't think Germany will be able to charge him for the same crime(s) because of the terms of the EAW.

Somebody - anybody - please explain how I could be wrong.

Could he be tried in absentia if he was physically restrained from leaving Germany'
It's usually used when a defendant refuses to place themselves before the court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 23, 2022, 09:34:01 PM
If his alibi stands up. that can only be for the good as it would mean he didn't do it and I'm sure none of us would want a miscarriage of justice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 09:36:56 PM
The longer this goes on the messier it gets. The Germans lost control once they went public imo. Maybe the Portuguese can sort it all out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2022, 09:37:05 PM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 09:19:39 PM
Tonight I again feel like the Prophet of Doom.
I can foresee Portugal quickly charging Brueckner with abduction/murder of Madeleine.
He will be tried In Absentia, surrendering the right to be tried in Portugal with a legal team appointed to defend him.
He will be cleared unless Germany surrender their concrete evidence to Portuguese Prosecutors.
 If he's cleared, I don't think Germany will be able to charge him for the same crime(s) because of the terms of the EAW.

Somebody - anybody - please explain how I could be wrong.

I understand your thoughts and have considered the same situation. The weak part is do the Portuguese have enough evidence to charge and prosecute CB without the German input.  What could the Portuguese have?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 23, 2022, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 09:19:39 PM
Tonight I again feel like the Prophet of Doom.
I can foresee Portugal quickly charging Brueckner with abduction/murder of Madeleine.
He will be tried In Absentia, surrendering the right to be tried in Portugal with a legal team appointed to defend him.
He will be cleared unless Germany surrender their concrete evidence to Portuguese Prosecutors.
 If he's cleared, I don't think Germany will be able to charge him for the same crime(s) because of the terms of the EAW.

Somebody - anybody - please explain how I could be wrong.

Without the German evidence I doubt it could even come to trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2022, 09:40:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 09:36:56 PM
The longer this goes on the messier it gets. The Germans lost control once they went public imo. Maybe the Portuguese can sort it all out.

Lol.. It's very clever of Wolters not to share his evidence.  The Portuguese imo have nothing that could reach the threshold of putting CB in front of a court.. You would 100% have to agree with that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2022, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 23, 2022, 09:40:11 PM
Without the German evidence I doubt it could even come to trial.

Absolutely
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 23, 2022, 09:41:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 09:36:56 PM
The longer this goes on the messier it gets. The Germans lost control once they went public imo. Maybe the Portuguese can sort it all out.

There is an awful lot of chaff flying around, there must be wheat in there somewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2022, 09:47:24 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 09:36:56 PM
The longer this goes on the messier it gets. The Germans lost control once they went public imo. Maybe the Portuguese can sort it all out.
Wolters has kept control by keeping control of the evidence... That prevents Portugal from hijacking his investigation and the Portuguese potentially screwing up. That's why the Germans haven't told SY or the parents.. Very clever Hans
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on April 23, 2022, 09:54:04 PM
From Misty's link.


Madeleine McCann: Investigating The Prime Suspect will air on May 3.

Theres nothing listed here.


https://www.teleboy.ch/en/tv-guide/channels/191/five?date=2022-05-03
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 23, 2022, 09:40:38 PM
Lol.. It's very clever of Wolters not to share his evidence.  The Portuguese imo have nothing that could reach the threshold of putting CB in front of a court.. You would 100% have to agree with that

I know what Wolters has claimed, but as I've said before talk's cheap and the lack of action can't be igored. It's the Portuguese who've acted, not the Germans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 23, 2022, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 23, 2022, 09:37:05 PM
I understand your thoughts and have considered the same situation. The weak part is do the Portuguese have enough evidence to charge and prosecute CB without the German input.  What could the Portuguese have?

PJ may well have a complete copy of Buesching's testimony to SY, used in the Menkes rape trial, which included details of what he knew about Madeleine's case. They have the mobile data and his criminal record. They have character witness statements from at least one previous girlfriend. There's probably more we don't yet know about.
We know that people have been charged and convicted for murder in Portugal using less evidence than this.

Can you see a legal reason why PJ couldn't proceed to charge because, if reports are correct that they've issued an EAW to Germany, their Public Prosecutor must consider they have reasonable grounds to do so?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 23, 2022, 10:53:06 PM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 09:19:39 PM
Tonight I again feel like the Prophet of Doom.
I can foresee Portugal quickly charging Brueckner with abduction/murder of Madeleine.
He will be tried In Absentia, surrendering the right to be tried in Portugal with a legal team appointed to defend him.
He will be cleared unless Germany surrender their concrete evidence to Portuguese Prosecutors.
 If he's cleared, I don't think Germany will be able to charge him for the same crime(s) because of the terms of the EAW.

Somebody - anybody - please explain how I could be wrong.

Exactly what I was getting at earlier, but explained so much better by you, Misty.

Also, if he is cleared, then it will be more difficult to convict Mr Big

Imo, Mr Big will get off scot free ... and that would be a huge injustice and negate all OG's work
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 23, 2022, 11:02:37 PM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 10:50:24 PM
PJ may well have a complete copy of Buesching's testimony to SY, used in the Menkes rape trial, which included details of what he knew about Madeleine's case. They have the mobile data and his criminal record. They have character witness statements from at least one previous girlfriend. There's probably more we don't yet know about.
We know that people have been charged and convicted for murder in Portugal using less evidence than this.

Can you see a legal reason why PJ couldn't proceed to charge because, if reports are correct that they've issued an EAW to Germany, their Public Prosecutor must consider they have reasonable grounds to do so?
Is it your view that the Portuguese would charge him with the deliberate intention of clearing him at trial?  In some sort of crazy act of revenge on the Germans and the British?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 23, 2022, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 09:19:39 PM
Tonight I again feel like the Prophet of Doom.
I can foresee Portugal quickly charging Brueckner with abduction/murder of Madeleine.
He will be tried In Absentia, surrendering the right to be tried in Portugal with a legal team appointed to defend him.
He will be cleared unless Germany surrender their concrete evidence to Portuguese Prosecutors.
 If he's cleared, I don't think Germany will be able to charge him for the same crime(s) because of the terms of the EAW.

Somebody - anybody - please explain how I could be wrong.


Quote
  Author=sadie
Exactly what I was getting at earlier, but explained so much better by you, Misty.

Also, if he is cleared, then it will be more difficult to convict Mr Big

Imo, Mr Big will get off scot free ... and that would be a huge injustice and negate all OG's work


Furthermore it worries me that OG might be in a position where they are forced to reveal all their information about Mr Big so all their work will be spoiled.


I sometimes wonder if PT top elites ae involved in what I see as a major global sex traficking, drug running enterprise?

A nice little earner.   Especially if there is additional blackmail and extortion of those who partake of the forbidden fruit.

Just my thoughts that could be completely wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 23, 2022, 11:27:45 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 23, 2022, 11:02:37 PM
Is it your view that the Portuguese would charge him with the deliberate intention of clearing him at trial?  In some sort of crazy act of revenge on the Germans and the British?

I realise how crazy it sounds but is it any more crazy than PJ seemingly blindsiding the BKA by making Brueckner an arguido if they can't charge him with the same crime(s) under investigation? What makes Brueckner such a valuable defendant?
Please, convince me I'm wrong and a speedy prosecution in Portugal couldn't happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on April 23, 2022, 11:32:42 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
I know what Wolters has claimed, but as I've said before talk's cheap and the lack of action can't be igored. It's the Portuguese who've acted, not the Germans.

Bottom line is the Portuguese are merely keeping their options open as the opportunity to designate anyone as arguido in the Maddie case ends on the 3rd May.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on April 23, 2022, 11:34:32 PM
Quote from: sadie on April 23, 2022, 11:09:06 PM


Furthermore it worries me that OG might be in a position where they are forced to reveal all their information about Mr Big so all their work will be spoiled.


I sometimes wonder if PT top elites ae involved in what I see as a major global sex traficking, drug running enterprise?

A nice little earner.   Especially if there is additional blackmail and extortion of those who partake of the forbidden fruit.

Just my thoughts that could be completely wrong.

That ship sailed a long time ago Sadie  &^^&*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 23, 2022, 11:38:01 PM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 11:27:45 PM
I realise how crazy it sounds but is it any more crazy than PJ seemingly blindsiding the BKA by making Brueckner an arguido if they can't charge him with the same crime(s) under investigation? What makes Brueckner such a valuable defendant?
Please, convince me I'm wrong and a speedy prosecution in Portugal couldn't happen.
As this is Portugal we’re talking about I guess anything is possible, sorry I can’t reassure you otherwise… :-/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 23, 2022, 11:44:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on April 23, 2022, 11:34:32 PM
That ship sailed a long time ago Sadie  &^^&*

ORLY ? 
Care to explain?   Purleaze.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on April 23, 2022, 11:57:31 PM
Looks like mighty amounts of egg going to be on some faces shortly. Bruckner is really taking them all for a ride.

Madeleine McCann suspect breaks silence hours after being named and insists that he has an alibi for the night that Madeleine McCann disappeared.

Madeleine McCann police have grilled the suspect in the case just days after naming him. Christian Brueckner has finally given details of his “alibi”, according to reports.

He claims he can prove he was elsewhere when Madeleine was snatched in 2007, according to reports. Previously, British investigator Mark Williams-Thomas told The Sun : "We have since been in contact at length in ­writing and he has explained his position to me in detail.

"He has told me exactly where he was on the night Madeleine disappeared — and that he was not where the police say he was. He also insists that he is entirely innocent. My inquiries have unearthed evidence which is pretty explosive, but I’m not saying whether I believe what he told me. That’s for viewers to judge."

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-breaks-silence-23764910
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 23, 2022, 11:59:18 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10746893/Maddie-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-describes-known-bad-person-world.html

Spot the lies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on April 24, 2022, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 11:59:18 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10746893/Maddie-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-describes-known-bad-person-world.html

Spot the lies.

It's all coming out now as I expected it would. Bruckner was merely waiting for the right moment and they all fell for it. Wolters must feel like a right chump now  (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 24, 2022, 12:17:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on April 24, 2022, 12:15:27 AM
It's all coming out now as I expected it would. Bruckner was merely waiting for the right moment and they all fell for it. Wolters must feel like a right chump now  (&^&

Have you even read some of the clear lies Brueckner told in that letter?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 01:20:27 AM
Quote from: misty on April 24, 2022, 12:17:43 AM
Have you even read some of the clear lies Brueckner told in that letter?

He seems to have overlooked the molestation of the six year old daughter of his girlfriend which he recorded in photos.
Making him "contemptible" in my book.

Interesting that his letter is penned in English ~ perhaps the recipient is a non-German speaker.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 24, 2022, 01:41:48 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 01:20:27 AM
He seems to have overlooked the molestation of the six year old daughter of his girlfriend which he recorded in photos.
Making him "contemptible" in my book.

Interesting that his letter is penned in English ~ perhaps the recipient is a non-German speaker.

Yep, why would a German write it in English?   And yet he is facing Portuguese Justice.

How odd.   Well spotted, Brie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 24, 2022, 06:45:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo222 on April 24, 2022, 12:15:27 AM
It's all coming out now as I expected it would. Bruckner was merely waiting for the right moment and they all fell for it. Wolters must feel like a right chump now  (&^&
I think the chump is anyone who hangs on every word written by a convicted thief, rapist and child abuser, frankly. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 24, 2022, 06:47:54 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 01:20:27 AM
He seems to have overlooked the molestation of the six year old daughter of his girlfriend which he recorded in photos.
Making him "contemptible" in my book.

Interesting that his letter is penned in English ~ perhaps the recipient is a non-German speaker.
His letter reveals his pleasure at being in the spotlight and he appears to revel in his own notoriety.  He is also obviously attempting to control the narrative.  Classic psychopath imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2022, 08:50:12 AM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 11:59:18 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10746893/Maddie-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-describes-known-bad-person-world.html

Spot the lies.

OK, I can see two already.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/23/21/29374248-10746893-image-a-29_1650746156004.jpg)

Joana Cipriano was murdered by her mother & uncle, not abducted by Brueckner & also, he has already been ruled out of any involvement in the murder of Inga Gehricke.

Other than that I trust the MSM implicitly.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 09:07:18 AM
Quote from: misty on April 23, 2022, 11:27:45 PM
I realise how crazy it sounds but is it any more crazy than PJ seemingly blindsiding the BKA by making Brueckner an arguido if they can't charge him with the same crime(s) under investigation? What makes Brueckner such a valuable defendant?
Please, convince me I'm wrong and a speedy prosecution in Portugal couldn't happen.
The Framework Decision aims to achieve this objective by establishing a mandatory consultation procedure in cases where parallel criminal proceedings are conducted in different Member States. If the consultation procedure does not result in a consensus being reached, the Member States involved shall refer the case to Eurojust

https://e-justice.europa.eu/99/EN/which_countrys_court_is_responsible_conflicts_of_jurisdiction


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 09:20:12 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 23, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
I know what Wolters has claimed, but as I've said before talk's cheap and the lack of action can't be igored. It's the Portuguese who've acted, not the Germans.

Your posts really are becoming more and more hilarious..

You want to disregard everything the official spokesman for the BKA says.. The German FBI.... But lap up anything said by CB and by MWT.

Has it occurred to you or others that MWT is trying to Drum up interest in his documentary.

Wolters has spoken to everyone and investigated meticulously... CB has no alibi... I've been saying this for two years.
What he has done is admitted he knows where he was that night and he's lied.... Exactly what Wolters wanted him to do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 09:22:10 AM
Quote from: sadie on April 24, 2022, 01:41:48 AM
Yep, why would a German write it in English?   And yet he is facing Portuguese Justice.

How odd.   Well spotted, Brie.

The recipient is Isabel McFadden
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 24, 2022, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 09:07:18 AM
The Framework Decision aims to achieve this objective by establishing a mandatory consultation procedure in cases where parallel criminal proceedings are conducted in different Member States. If the consultation procedure does not result in a consensus being reached, the Member States involved shall refer the case to Eurojust

https://e-justice.europa.eu/99/EN/which_countrys_court_is_responsible_conflicts_of_jurisdiction

At the moment neither country have begun criminal proceedings in this case, if criminal proceedings begin with a suspect being charged which is how it works in the UK.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/uk/lexispsl/corporatecrime/document/391421/591N-VY01-F188-N174-00000-00/Commencing_criminal_proceedings_overview

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 24, 2022, 09:36:09 AM
At the moment neither country have begun criminal proceedings in this case, if criminal proceedings begin with a suspect being charged which is how it works in the UK.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/uk/lexispsl/corporatecrime/document/391421/591N-VY01-F188-N174-00000-00/Commencing_criminal_proceedings_overview

So no relevance at all to the case in question..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 24, 2022, 10:16:14 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 09:20:12 AM
Your posts really are becoming more and more hilarious..

You want to disregard everything the official spokesman for the BKA says.. The German FBI.... But lap up anything said by CB and by MWT.

Has it occurred to you or others that MWT is trying to Drum up interest in his documentary.

Wolters has spoken to everyone and investigated meticulously... CB has no alibi... I've been saying this for two years.
What he has done is admitted he knows where he was that night and he's lied.... Exactly what Wolters wanted him to do

I think you're getting carried away and are exaggerating.

Wolters is not the official spokesman for the BKA.

I don't think I've quoted anything CB has said, so what makes you think I 'lap up' his words I don't know.

I've quoted MWT, but quoting doesn't signify approval.

MWT has responded to questions, but I don't see a serious attempt to advertise his documentary.

I don't think you can claim to know who Wolters has spoken to or whether CB has an alibi or not.

I haven't seen an admission from CB as to his whereabouts on the evening of May 3rd. Do you have a cite?

You seem to be claiming you're able to read Wolters mind now.

Imo you need to stop offering your opinions as if they were facts.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 10:46:28 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 24, 2022, 10:16:14 AM
I think you're getting carried away and are exaggerating.

Wolters is not the official spokesman for the BKA.

I don't think I've quoted anything CB has said, so what makes you think I 'lap up' his words I don't know.

I've quoted MWT, but quoting doesn't signify approval.

MWT has responded to questions, but I don't see a serious attempt to advertise his documentary.

I don't think you can claim to know who Wolters has spoken to or whether CB has an alibi or not.

I haven't seen an admission from CB as to his whereabouts on the evening of May 3rd. Do you have a cite?

You seem to be claiming you're able to read Wolters mind now.

Imo you need to stop offering your opinions as if they were facts.

You say Wolters is not the official spokesman.. Is that your opinion or fact.  It's opinion. He has regularly given official press conferences.. Interviews presentingbthe BKA case... Are you suggesting he's doing this unofficially.. You are posting your opinion as fact.

MWT is relying on information from CB as to the, alibi.. Cant you see that blindingly obvious fact

It's clear Wolters is interviewing everyone known associate of CB to ore emot any claimed alibi. As I understand the claim by CB to a fling with an 18 yr old has already been debunked.. A claim MWT regarded as a credible alibi.
The dic produced by MWT is a commercial venture.  His financial future depends in the success of such ventures but you seem to think he wouldn't promote it.. Lol

Whereabouts of CB.. According to you and other sceptics he's given the info to MWT
He complains about unfair persecution yet when interviewed by the police refuses to tell them where he was that night.

As for opinion as fact.. It seems the rule is being totally ignored.. Ask senior mod Angelo for confirmation.

Reading Wolters mind.. Too stupid a comment to warrant a response
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 01:20:27 AM
He seems to have overlooked the molestation of the six year old daughter of his girlfriend which he recorded in photos.
Making him "contemptible" in my book.

Interesting that his letter is penned in English ~ perhaps the recipient is a non-German speaker.

The recipient was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 10:50:25 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 10:48:48 AM
The recipient was.
Isobel McFadden
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 10:54:30 AM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 10:50:25 AM
Isobel McFadden

I’m surprised Brietta didn’t know. It’s been common knowledge for months.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 24, 2022, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 09:07:18 AM
The Framework Decision aims to achieve this objective by establishing a mandatory consultation procedure in cases where parallel criminal proceedings are conducted in different Member States. If the consultation procedure does not result in a consensus being reached, the Member States involved shall refer the case to Eurojust

https://e-justice.europa.eu/99/EN/which_countrys_court_is_responsible_conflicts_of_jurisdiction

If Portugal charge then Germany would also have to charge for the conflict to fall within the definition of criminal proceedings. This does not seem to be straightforward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 01:05:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 09:22:10 AM
The recipient is Isabel McFadden

I know the name and so will everyone else who knows anything about the effect sceptics have tried to exert on the Madeleine McCann investigation.

What on earth is going on that the prime suspect in Madeleine's case is in correspondence with such a well known sceptic?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 24, 2022, 01:30:50 PM
Wait, that vicious creep McFadden is now CB's penpal?!  This is news to me but why am I not remotely surprised...sickened, but not surprised.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2022, 02:04:30 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 01:05:38 PM
I know the name and so will everyone else who knows anything about the effect sceptics have tried to exert on the Madeleine McCann investigation.

What on earth is going on that the prime suspect in Madeleine's case is in correspondence with such a well known sceptic?

Maybe she wrote to him?

I don't believe that's illegal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 02:26:52 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2022, 02:04:30 PM
Maybe she wrote to him?

I don't believe that's illegal.

I think she should be encouraged... Might sort her out.. If you get my drift
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2022, 02:31:49 PM


I'm just jealous he hasn't responded to any of my fan mail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 02:40:38 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 02:26:52 PM
I think she should be encouraged... Might sort her out.. If you get my drift

No, I don’t. Could you please explain? Are you referring to Brueckner harming her in some way?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 03:35:16 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 02:40:38 PM
No, I don’t. Could you please explain? Are you referring to Brueckner harming her in some way?

I listened to her on Poultons interview.. According to her his paedo offences were mild and years ago and she never mentioned the rape. She would argue she knows more.about him than I do.. ...A half hour private visit should be enough
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 24, 2022, 04:08:19 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 01:05:38 PM
I know the name and so will everyone else who knows anything about the effect sceptics have tried to exert on the Madeleine McCann investigation.

What on earth is going on that the prime suspect in Madeleine's case is in correspondence with such a well known sceptic?

Hi Brie

I think your mind is travelling along similar lines to mine
Yes, what on earth is going on?.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2022, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 03:35:16 PM
I listened to her on Poultons interview.. According to her his paedo offences were mild and years ago and she never mentioned the rape. She would argue she knows more.about him than I do.. ...A half hour private visit should be enough

He hasn't murdered anyone, only indulged in a bit of rough sex. Harmless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 03:35:16 PM
I listened to her on Poultons interview.. According to her his paedo offences were mild and years ago and she never mentioned the rape. She would argue she knows more.about him than I do.. ...A half hour private visit should be enough

Are you promoting rape?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 24, 2022, 04:21:44 PM
To some McCann bashers even being a rapist / murderer is not as bad as being Kate or Gerry McCann, hence the ability of someone like Isabelle McFadden to minimise, downplay and defend the indefensible.  it is IMO a sickness. . 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2022, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 24, 2022, 04:21:44 PM
To some McCann bashers even being a rapist / murderer is not as bad as being Kate or Gerry McCann, hence the ability of someone like Isabelle McFadden to minimise, downplay and defend the indefensible.  it is IMO a sickness. .

How do you know the McCanns aren't murderers?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 04:17:21 PM
Are you promoting rape?
Is he guilty of rape... Does he has a history of rape
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 04:56:51 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2022, 04:17:01 PM
He hasn't murdered anyone, only indulged in a bit of rough sex. Harmless.

Yes.. Best make it an hour.. People shouldn't feel rushed
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 05:16:28 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 24, 2022, 04:21:44 PM
To some McCann bashers even being a rapist / murderer is not as bad as being Kate or Gerry McCann, hence the ability of someone like Isabelle McFadden to minimise, downplay and defend the indefensible.  it is IMO a sickness. .

Some sceptics have already thrown in their lot with this violent rapist ~ but to find that one of their leading lights appears to be in cordial correspondence with him and is promoting his aims ~ is tremendously revealing.

It is possible that the evidence already gathered against him may not prove conclusive in Madeleine's case ~ but there is absolutely no doubt about the overall character of this man and his criminality as proved by what is already known about him.

It seems some sceptics have no compunction about publicly associating themselves and their cause with thieves - burglars - child molesters - rapists.

All particularly poignant given that at the heart of this case is a precious three year old child who vanished from her bed fifteen years ago and the present prime suspect is a paedophile who is now entered into the sceptic lexicon.

Very bad PR folks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 05:18:29 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 04:54:46 PM
Is he guilty of rape... Does he has a history of rape

I notice that you’re not answering the question.

Of course Brueckner has a history of rape. That someone believes him innocent of that abhorrent crime is a matter for them but to wish them to be raped just because, I assume, it would teach them a lesson for believing that, is all kinds of messed up.

Just so there is no doubt, I have no time for McFadden or her stunts but that does not mean I wish her harm.

I hope your daughters, if you have any, are proud of you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 05:20:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 05:16:28 PM
Some sceptics have already thrown in their lot with this violent rapist ~ but to find that one of their leading lights appears to be in cordial correspondence with him and is promoting his aims ~ is tremendously revealing.

It is possible that the evidence already gathered against him may not prove conclusive in Madeleine's case ~ but there is absolutely no doubt about the overall character of this man and his criminality as proved by what is already known about him.

It seems some sceptics have no compunction about publicly associating themselves and their cause with thieves - burglars - child molesters - rapists.

All particularly poignant given that at the heart of this case is a precious three year old child who vanished from her bed fifteen years ago and the present prime suspect is a paedophile who is now entered into the sceptic lexicon.

Very bad PR folks.

Do you condone Davel’s belief that the use of rape as a ‘weapon of war’ is justified?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 05:20:46 PM
Do you condone Davel’s belief that the use of rape as a ‘weapon of war’ is justified?

A weapon of war...have you lost your marbles...you are the one who mentioned rape...not me....and no..Im appalled at what your beloved communists are doing in the Ukraine
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2022, 05:59:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 05:16:28 PM
Some sceptics have already thrown in their lot with this violent rapist ~ but to find that one of their leading lights appears to be in cordial correspondence with him and is promoting his aims ~ is tremendously revealing.

It is possible that the evidence already gathered against him may not prove conclusive in Madeleine's case ~ but there is absolutely no doubt about the overall character of this man and his criminality as proved by what is already known about him.

It seems some sceptics have no compunction about publicly associating themselves and their cause with thieves - burglars - child molesters - rapists.

All particularly poignant given that at the heart of this case is a precious three year old child who vanished from her bed fifteen years ago and the present prime suspect is a paedophile who is now entered into the sceptic lexicon.

Very bad PR folks.

Precious to whom?

Personally I couldn't give a shit about her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2022, 06:04:26 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 05:28:13 PM
A weapon of war...have you lost your marbles...you are the one who mentioned rape...not me....and no..Im appalled at what your beloved communists are doing in the Ukraine

I'm appalled by what the Ukranians did to the Russians at the trade union house in Odessa myself & so I fully support Russia's special military operation to de-nazify Ukraine.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 05:28:13 PM
A weapon of war...have you lost your marbles...you are the one who mentioned rape...not me....and no..Im appalled at what your beloved communists are doing in the Ukraine

So what did you mean by ‘ I think she should be encouraged... Might sort her out.. If you get my drift’?

BTW you do know the difference between a communist and a socialist, don’t you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 24, 2022, 06:50:47 PM
Isabelle McFadden, as much of an attention seeker as her new penpal, on twitter just now

“I’ve received so many messages from journalists this weekend asking for interviews. I think there will be lots of moving parts so it’s a good time to pace ourselves”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 06:04:49 PM
So what did you mean by ‘ I think she should be encouraged... Might sort her out.. If you get my drift’?

BTW you do know the difference between a communist and a socialist, don’t you?

Yes and I know the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter..

I'm not obliged to answer any questions I don't wish to..

For the record I'm anti war.. Anti rape.. Pro Palestinian ...pro Tibet.. Do you know who the.youngest political prisoner in the wotlrld is... Another victim of a communist  state.

All my children are very proud of me for another record.. We'll have an LP soon
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 06:51:05 PM
Yes and I know the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter..

I'm not obliged to answer any questions I don't wish to..

For the record I'm anti war.. Anti rape.. Pro Palestinian ...pro Tibet.. Do you know who the.youngest political prisoner in the wotlrld is... Another victim of a communist  state.

All my children are very proud of me for another record.. We'll have an LP soon

I don’t wonder that you don’t want to answer my question but prefer to chat nonsense instead.

I’d be ashamed to if I’d suggested what you did.

Shameful.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2022, 07:09:31 PM
Quote from: Davel on April 24, 2022, 06:51:05 PM
Yes and I know the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter..

I'm not obliged to answer any questions I don't wish to..

For the record I'm anti war.. Anti rape.. Pro Palestinian ...pro Tibet.. Do you know who the.youngest political prisoner in the wotlrld is... Another victim of a communist  state.

All my children are very proud of me for another record.. We'll have an LP soon

There is no such country as Palestine, the place you're thinking of is Israel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2022, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on April 24, 2022, 07:02:24 PM
I don’t wonder that you don’t want to answer my question but prefer to chat nonsense instead.

I’d be ashamed to if I’d suggested what you did.

Shameful.

Do stop making such a fool of yourself.. Then again carry on
Spam described the rape as a bit of rough sex.. Did that not outrage you. ...no Because you are a fraud.. Now behave if you can
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 08:04:29 PM
There is a forum thread on the war in Ukraine.
Please stay on topic on this one, thankyou.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 25, 2022, 06:18:58 AM


Can someone tell me who this Isabelle McFadden is?  I'd never even heard of her until yesterday, is she a blogger or something?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 25, 2022, 06:49:49 AM
A gobby Portuguese pal of Amaral.  Take your choice...

https://www.google.com/search?q=ISABELLE+MCFADDEN&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj2-IXmvq73AhXGfMAKHXwRBrsQ_AUoA3oECAEQBQ&biw=1489&bih=812&dpr=1.09 (https://www.google.com/search?q=ISABELLE+MCFADDEN&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj2-IXmvq73AhXGfMAKHXwRBrsQ_AUoA3oECAEQBQ&biw=1489&bih=812&dpr=1.09)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 25, 2022, 07:06:38 AM


She sounds American & I'm sure I saw a spliff in that ashtray.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 25, 2022, 07:12:04 AM
Quote from: Myster on April 25, 2022, 06:49:49 AM
A gobby Portuguese pal of Amaral.  Take your choice...

https://www.google.com/search?q=ISABELLE+MCFADDEN&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj2-IXmvq73AhXGfMAKHXwRBrsQ_AUoA3oECAEQBQ&biw=1489&bih=812&dpr=1.09 (https://www.google.com/search?q=ISABELLE+MCFADDEN&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj2-IXmvq73AhXGfMAKHXwRBrsQ_AUoA3oECAEQBQ&biw=1489&bih=812&dpr=1.09)
One wonders how she finds the time to eat and sleep, so dedicated is she to her hate campaign. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 25, 2022, 07:15:58 AM


Is she on that CMOMM site that supporters hate?

I really wouldn't know, I don't do other forums, twitter or facebook, I only spam around here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 25, 2022, 07:21:18 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 24, 2022, 08:04:29 PM
There is a forum thread on the war in Ukraine.
Please stay on topic on this one, thankyou.

Sorry yes, I have tried prompting discussion on the war in Ukraine, where innocent civilians, precious little children included, are being displaced from their homes or bombed to death, but the disappearance of one British child 15 years ago is of far more concern to members for some reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 25, 2022, 07:24:25 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on April 25, 2022, 07:12:04 AM
One wonders how she finds the time to eat and sleep, so dedicated is she to her hate campaign.

I must admit I've been on a diet of mostly fags & caffeine since WW3 started.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 25, 2022, 07:42:42 AM
Quote from: Myster on April 25, 2022, 06:49:49 AM
A gobby Portuguese pal of Amaral.  Take your choice...

https://www.google.com/search?q=ISABELLE+MCFADDEN&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj2-IXmvq73AhXGfMAKHXwRBrsQ_AUoA3oECAEQBQ&biw=1489&bih=812&dpr=1.09 (https://www.google.com/search?q=ISABELLE+MCFADDEN&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj2-IXmvq73AhXGfMAKHXwRBrsQ_AUoA3oECAEQBQ&biw=1489&bih=812&dpr=1.09)

I think this one throws a little darkness into the mix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMUoU2OYRg and the comment section underneath puts the tin hat on it.

Meantime, back in the real world she and  Brueckner the paedophile and the rapist who is the prime suspect in the disappearance of a little girl are revealed as being in contact with each other.

Sceptics V three National police forces in support of this criminal with the knowledge of only some of his heinous crimes in justification and in the full knowledge the police have said there is much more to come.

I think this is an exercise in delusion which reveals the true nature of mccann sceptics. 

The new hero of these people has been proven to harm little girls ... and they are blind to the consequences of that.
It makes me wonder just how far their support for this proven paedophile and rapist is prepared to go.  That is a very expensive lawyer acting for him I believe.  Who pays for that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 25, 2022, 08:31:25 AM


Pro Bono?

Nope, can't stand the guy myself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 25, 2022, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 25, 2022, 07:42:42 AM
I think this one throws a little darkness into the mix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMUoU2OYRg and the comment section underneath puts the tin hat on it.

Meantime, back in the real world she and  Brueckner the paedophile and the rapist who is the prime suspect in the disappearance of a little girl are revealed as being in contact with each other.

Sceptics V three National police forces in support of this criminal with the knowledge of only some of his heinous crimes in justification and in the full knowledge the police have said there is much more to come.

I think this is an exercise in delusion which reveals the true nature of mccann sceptics. 

The new hero of these people has been proven to harm little girls ... and they are blind to the consequences of that.
It makes me wonder just how far their support for this proven paedophile and rapist is prepared to go.  That is a very expensive lawyer acting for him I believe.  Who pays for that?
  • pro bono?
  • the German State?
  • or those whose hatred has blocked the sight of the woods for the trees?

Criticising Isabelle McFadden's thoughts and actions is fine. Suggesting that she represents every sceptic's views is fanciful and a prime example of a strawman argument. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 25, 2022, 09:03:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 25, 2022, 09:01:38 AM
Criticising Isabelle McFadden's thoughts and actions is fine. Suggesting that she represents every sceptic's views is fanciful and a prime example of a strawman argument.

Well I've never heard of her so she doesn't represent any views of mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 25, 2022, 09:12:41 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 25, 2022, 09:01:38 AM
Criticising Isabelle McFadden's thoughts and actions is fine. Suggesting that she represents every sceptic's views is fanciful and a prime example of a strawman argument.

Do you reeeeally think so.

Just check out the accompanying comments to her works where they are available, to see the paucity of your defence of her support for the rapist and paedophile she has adopted to her cause.

They are many and they cover a wide rang of sceptic belief and then some - that is those that are not too illiterate to be made out.  Illiteracy is a bit of a characteristic of many such comments which tends to give one an indicator of the intelligence quotient of the contributor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 25, 2022, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 25, 2022, 09:12:41 AM
Do you reeeeally think so.

Just check out the accompanying comments to her works where they are available, to see the paucity of your defence of her support for the rapist and paedophile she has adopted to her cause.

They are many and they cover a wide rang of sceptic belief and then some - that is those that are not too illiterate to be made out.  Illiteracy is a bit of a characteristic of many such comments which tends to give one an indicator of the intelligence quotient of the contributor.
You'll find that about 80% of commenters across the board think Drs. McCann are responsible. Can't dispute the facts. It's public opinion, so not the best barometer, but 80% of the population who expressed a preference are not buying it. You are the minority.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 25, 2022, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: jassi on April 25, 2022, 09:03:26 AM
Well I've never heard of her so she doesn't represent any views of mine.

So that's two of us she doesn't speak for. I don't always agree with you, let alone someone else I don't know.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on April 25, 2022, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 25, 2022, 09:20:16 AM
So that's two of us she doesn't speak for. I don't always agree with you, let alone someone else I don't know.  @)(++(*
There's a few here who are simply unable to to parse the paradox - CB's a vile nonce / rapist, but there's some who would prefer to see the due process / evidence. That's not 'supporting' him; that's supporting the judicial process.
As a touchstone supporters can refer to their 'support' of convicted child murderer Leonor Cipriano.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 25, 2022, 09:26:16 AM
Quote from: jassi on April 25, 2022, 09:03:26 AM
Well I've never heard of her so she doesn't represent any views of mine.

I totally believe you may not have heard of her.  But as far as her views go I suggest if you check her out you may be pleasantly surprised to see how hard she has worked to put them across and how many have adopted them as their own without knowing from where they emanated.

Anyway - I think she has woefully underestimated the gullibility of folk.  I imagine not too many will give support to a paedophile who tortures and rapes women.  A bridge too far for some, I imagine and many will be adopting the stance of "McFadden - who she?"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 25, 2022, 09:32:24 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 25, 2022, 09:20:16 AM
So that's two of us she doesn't speak for. I don't always agree with you, let alone someone else I don't know.  @)(++(*

I don't know of any sceptics who subscribe to my Maddie/Corrie Mckeague theory, for example.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 25, 2022, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 25, 2022, 09:12:41 AM
Do you reeeeally think so.

Just check out the accompanying comments to her works where they are available, to see the paucity of your defence of her support for the rapist and paedophile she has adopted to her cause.

They are many and they cover a wide rang of sceptic belief and then some - that is those that are not too illiterate to be made out.  Illiteracy is a bit of a characteristic of many such comments which tends to give one an indicator of the intelligence quotient of the contributor.

I think your belief that I have defended Isabelle McFadden is purely an invention, unless you have a cite? Is literacy an indicator of intelligence? Many dyslexic people might disagree with you. Not to mention those who type rubbish words because they can't be bothered to take care when they write posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 25, 2022, 09:38:14 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 25, 2022, 09:26:16 AM
I totally believe you may not have heard of her.  But as far as her views go I suggest if you check her out you may be pleasantly surprised to see how hard she has worked to put them across and how many have adopted them as their own without knowing from where they emanated.

Anyway - I think she has woefully underestimated the gullibility of folk.  I imagine not too many will give support to a paedophile who tortures and rapes women.  A bridge too far for some, I imagine and many will be adopting the stance of "McFadden - who she?"

Why would I want to check her out ? I don't know her and am not interested in what her views might be.
I have my own views, independent of any other poster here or elsewhere. Indeed I don't know who any other poster, nor do I want or need to.
Leave the cozy friendship stuff to those who need it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 29, 2022, 11:53:07 AM
Now the psychics have been dissed, time to wheel on a graphologist...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10766775/Madeleine-McCann-Suspect-Christian-Brueckner-hiding-says-handwriting-expert.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10766775/Madeleine-McCann-Suspect-Christian-Brueckner-hiding-says-handwriting-expert.html)

https://www.handright.co.uk/ (https://www.handright.co.uk/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 29, 2022, 12:09:54 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 29, 2022, 11:53:07 AM
Now the psychics have been dissed, time to wheel on a graphologist...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10766775/Madeleine-McCann-Suspect-Christian-Brueckner-hiding-says-handwriting-expert.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10766775/Madeleine-McCann-Suspect-Christian-Brueckner-hiding-says-handwriting-expert.html)

https://www.handright.co.uk/ (https://www.handright.co.uk/)

Well, I suppose with the absence of genuinely credible evidence against him they'll just have to stick to junk science.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 29, 2022, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 29, 2022, 11:53:07 AM
Now the psychics have been dissed, time to wheel on a graphologist...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10766775/Madeleine-McCann-Suspect-Christian-Brueckner-hiding-says-handwriting-expert.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10766775/Madeleine-McCann-Suspect-Christian-Brueckner-hiding-says-handwriting-expert.html)

https://www.handright.co.uk/ (https://www.handright.co.uk/)
It is astonishing writing, like a font on a computer.  Very bizarre.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 29, 2022, 01:18:42 PM
@  Myster = retsyM = ?The General

Quote
  Mona Lisa must've had the highway blues... You can tell by the way she smiles.


Leave Eleanor alone.  Trying the psychological sly attack.   

She has never hurt you.. She has shown the hand of friendship to you and John in the past for several years.  Now leave her alone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on April 29, 2022, 03:29:04 PM
Members are again warned about the language being used in some posts. As the bank holiday weekend approaches let's please at least try to keep posts civil and relevant to the topics being explored.

Moderators should remove any posts which are less than appropriate and sanction those posting them.

Should this bad behaviour continue I will suspend any member who continues to flaunt our rules.

That said, have a super weekend   8((()*/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 30, 2022, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on June 10, 2020, 08:12:11 PM
Breaking News: satellite photo

I have just been told that the police are aware now that the van which is shown in the satellite picture is a Renault which belonged to a neighbour’s friend and was there until August 2007.

If that is truth, then the picture says nothing about Brüeckner movements or Madeleine McCann abduction.
 

Heri's satellite research is under fresh discussion on Websleuths.  Possibly as a result of tabloid news that Brueckner's van has been subject to forensic examination.  Possibly as a result that there is now more awareness of the variety and type of vehicles to which he had access.

Apparently in 2007 this included a Volkswagon "LT" - we were familiar with a different Volkswagen model the  "T3".

According to a poster on WS the white "LT" could fit with the satellite image as spotted by Heri.

Quite interesting to think Heri might well have been on the correct track two years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 30, 2022, 04:16:11 PM
Espacio Exterior
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-madeleine-mccann-satellite-picture.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 30, 2022, 11:47:03 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 30, 2022, 04:16:11 PM
Espacio Exterior
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-madeleine-mccann-satellite-picture.html

This image is, of course on the land adjacent to the villa where Brueckner lived mostly.   The vill is very close to the Golf Course where Euclides drove a tractor and worked.   I looked long and had at this area and noticed the wells which seemed to be in abundance there.   I think there were three in a very small area.

Useful for hiding incriminating items but Madeleine is not in any of them  IMO


She still lives.  Of that I am pretty sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 02, 2022, 09:44:47 PM
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http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/christian-bruckners-trailer-for-his.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/christian-bruckners-trailer-for-his.html)
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on May 03, 2022, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 02, 2022, 09:44:47 PM
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http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/christian-bruckners-trailer-for-his.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/christian-bruckners-trailer-for-his.html)
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Enhance
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on May 03, 2022, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: The General on May 03, 2022, 10:53:52 AM
Enhance

What ????? You want more !!!!! Isn’t vague supposition enough?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 03, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
Even so, the SÁBADO Investigation managed to establish that the main evidence against Christian Bruckner are traces of the English child found by the German police, the BKA, inside the motorhome that the German owned in 2007.

This is just one of several revelations that will be presented by Sandra Felgueiras from Germany, in a Special Investigation SATURDAY , on the anniversary of the disappearance, on CMTV, right after CM Jornal.



Wolters is on record saying he HAD no forensic evidence...its possible that could have changed...who knowa
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2022, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 03, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
Even so, the SÁBADO Investigation managed to establish that the main evidence against Christian Bruckner are traces of the English child found by the German police, the BKA, inside the motorhome that the German owned in 2007.

This is just one of several revelations that will be presented by Sandra Felgueiras from Germany, in a Special Investigation SATURDAY , on the anniversary of the disappearance, on CMTV, right after CM Jornal.



Wolters is on record saying he HAD no forensic evidence...its possible that could have changed...who knowa
As some sceptics are fond of reminding us - what the police say publicly and what is the reality of the situation are often two different things. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 03, 2022, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 03, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
Even so, the SÁBADO Investigation managed to establish that the main evidence against Christian Bruckner are traces of the English child found by the German police, the BKA, inside the motorhome that the German owned in 2007.

This is just one of several revelations that will be presented by Sandra Felgueiras from Germany, in a Special Investigation SATURDAY , on the anniversary of the disappearance, on CMTV, right after CM Jornal.



Wolters is on record saying he HAD no forensic evidence...its possible that could have changed...who knows

Wolters & Brueckner know.

One thinks he did it & the other knows he didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 03, 2022, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 03, 2022, 12:17:10 PM
As some sceptics are fond of reminding us - what the police say publicly and what is the reality of the situation are often two different things.

It's a strange way of going about prosecution though.

Refuse to share the evidence with the defence, but then let them know what the evidence is via mass media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on May 03, 2022, 03:02:56 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 03, 2022, 12:05:59 PM
What ????? You want more !!!!! Isn’t vague supposition enough?
Which fuzzy white blob is the van we're supposed to be looking at?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2022, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: The General on May 03, 2022, 03:02:56 PM
Which fuzzy white blob is the van we're supposed to be looking at?


The one that Madeleine was in , allegedly, possibly, or there again no where near, still Smithy could have found a hiding place after all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2022, 03:47:49 PM
The strongest case against CB apparently is the sex abuse 2017, SF asks better than Madeline to which Wolters replies is , yes I think so. Seek and you will find .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2022, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 03, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
Even so, the SÁBADO Investigation managed to establish that the main evidence against Christian Bruckner are traces of the English child found by the German police, the BKA, inside the motorhome that the German owned in 2007.

This is just one of several revelations that will be presented by Sandra Felgueiras from Germany, in a Special Investigation SATURDAY , on the anniversary of the disappearance, on CMTV, right after CM Jornal.



Wolters is on record saying he HAD no forensic evidence...its possible that could have changed...who knowa

Strange how they supposedly find forensics in a van but GM had to go back to blighty for the girls DNA cause there was none in 5a apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 03, 2022, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 03, 2022, 04:01:25 PM
Strange how they supposedly find forensics in a van but GM had to go back to blighty for the girls DNA cause there was none in 5a apparently.
You're showing some lack of understanding there... There would be plent of Maddie's dna in 5a
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 03, 2022, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 03, 2022, 04:01:25 PM
Strange how they supposedly find forensics in a van but GM had to go back to blighty for the girls DNA cause there was none in 5a apparently.

I've never understood why this should have been necessary.
Surely there must have been something personal of hers that hadn't been contaminated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2022, 04:58:41 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 03, 2022, 04:36:56 PM
I've never understood why this should have been necessary.
Surely there must have been something personal of hers that hadn't been contaminated.

Yet the van is not, utter tripe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 03, 2022, 05:27:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 03, 2022, 04:58:41 PM
Yet the van is not, utter tripe.

Apart from the fact you appear to be side-tracking away from the universally police approved prime suspect ~ would it be possible for you to explain your post: I haven't a scooby what point you are trying to make.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 03, 2022, 06:49:09 PM
Quote from: The General on May 03, 2022, 03:02:56 PM
Which fuzzy white blob is the van we're supposed to be looking at?

Do you need glasses?  It's very clear to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 03, 2022, 06:52:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 03, 2022, 04:01:25 PM
Strange how they supposedly find forensics in a van but GM had to go back to blighty for the girls DNA cause there was none in 5a apparently.
There were no forensics to be sure of because the PJ allowed the crime scene to be cleaned !!!!
Unbelieveable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 05, 2022, 04:38:38 PM
Not fibres so what can it be ? so SF and her information is wide of the Mark again.
Its not recent evidence either.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10785769/Madeleine-McCann-didnt-clothes-fibres-prosecutor-says.html

'We DO have new evidence… but we did NOT find fibres in Madeleine McCann suspect's van': German prosecutor DENIES bombshell claim but says new clue points to Christian Brueckner


'The whole story about the traces of fibres is total nonsense,' Wolters said.

In the interview I said that we have found new evidence in the last two years. However, there was nothing [that proves Brueckner's innocence] among them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 05, 2022, 04:45:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2022, 04:38:38 PM
Not fibres so what can it be ? so SF and her information is wide of the Mark again.
Its not recent evidence either.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10785769/Madeleine-McCann-didnt-clothes-fibres-prosecutor-says.html

'We DO have new evidence… but we did NOT find fibres in Madeleine McCann suspect's van': German prosecutor DENIES bombshell claim but says new clue points to Christian Brueckner


'The whole story about the traces of fibres is total nonsense,' Wolters said.

In the interview I said that we have found new evidence in the last two years. However, there was nothing [that proves Brueckner's innocence] among them.

He wants Brueckner to prove his innocence?

We've been waiting 15 years for the McCanns to do the same.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 05, 2022, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2022, 04:38:38 PM
Not fibres so what can it be ? so SF and her information is wide of the Mark again.
Its not recent evidence either.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10785769/Madeleine-McCann-didnt-clothes-fibres-prosecutor-says.html

'We DO have new evidence… but we did NOT find fibres in Madeleine McCann suspect's van': German prosecutor DENIES bombshell claim but says new clue points to Christian Brueckner


'The whole story about the traces of fibres is total nonsense,' Wolters said.

In the interview I said that we have found new evidence in the last two years. However, there was nothing [that proves Brueckner's innocence] among them.
Well at least we have total clarity on that particular subject.  No fibres, it was just a misunderstanding borne out of not speaking each other’s language.  How many of those have there been in this case now I wonder…?  I still think it’s possible Ammy (or one of his cronies) passed the info on to Sandra to make her look stupid (again) in revenge for her recent comments about him.  Ooo-woo, conspiraloooo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 05, 2022, 04:51:52 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 05, 2022, 04:45:43 PM
Well at least we have total clarity on that particular subject.  No fibres, it was just a misunderstanding borne out of not speaking each other’s language.  How many of those have there been in this case now I wonder…?  I still think it’s possible Ammy (or one of his cronies) passed the info on to Sandra to make her look stupid (again) in revenge for her recent comments about him.  Ooo-woo, conspiraloooo.

No misunderstanding, there were no fibres, who told SF there was ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 05, 2022, 04:54:33 PM

https://www-rnd-de.translate.goog/panorama/staatsanwalt-zum-fall-maddie-keine-faserspuren-in-bus-von-christian-b-gefunden-QM6JG6NZRZGU3AEPGNO2HT5RZA.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

As the editorial network Germany (RND) found out on Thursday, this information is not true. "The whole story with the fiber traces is total nonsense," said Hans Christian Wolters from the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office to the RND. The prosecutor added that the alleged new findings were fictitious.

Wolters explained his statements to the RND in the interview as follows: “In the interview I said that we had found new evidence in the last two years. However, there was nothing exculpatory underneath. I cannot say anything about the further investigation results and individual pieces of evidence at the moment. In response to a specific query, which referred to any traces from one of the accused's vehicles, but there was no mention of traces of fiber, I said that I would not say anything about it. I didn't deny it either, I simply stated that we didn't want to say anything about it."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on May 05, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2022, 04:51:52 PM
No misunderstanding, there were no fibres, who told SF there was ?

A more pertinent question is why, when she has been a journalist for many years, does she keep falling for such obviously dud information?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 05, 2022, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2022, 04:51:52 PM
No misunderstanding, there were no fibres, who told SF there was ?

Someone in the PJ did a leak test & found one.

There's a copper in the PJ right now who'll be demoted to traffic duty & shunned in the canteen for the rest of his career.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 05, 2022, 05:01:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 05, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
A more pertinent question is why, when she has been a journalist for many years, does she keep falling for such obviously dud information?

Maybe she knew it was dud but didn't care.

She got her name mentioned in almost every major news outlet & there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Jon Clarke will snap her up for The Olive press one day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 05, 2022, 05:03:42 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 05, 2022, 04:51:52 PM
No misunderstanding, there were no fibres, who told SF there was ?
When did she mention fibres?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 05, 2022, 05:04:48 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 05, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
A more pertinent question is why, when she has been a journalist for many years, does she keep falling for such obviously dud information?
Did she claim that fibres had been found as a fact?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 05, 2022, 05:10:56 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 05, 2022, 05:04:48 PM
Did she claim that fibres had been found as a fact?

No, her investigation docu said that traces of Maddie had been found in the campervan, when no such thing happened.

I don't know who started the pyjamas nonsense, but plenty of people fell for it.

Kind of explains why so many people believe the McCanns.

People lie & then there are idiots willing to believe them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 05, 2022, 05:15:04 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 03, 2022, 06:15:27 PM
The whole article, copied over from STM

Alibi claims for the night are ‘firmly knocked down’ by police and other sources

By
Jon Clarke (Publisher & Editor)
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3 May, 2022 @ 11:12
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GERMAN police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have found traces of her in a vehicle driven by the prime suspect Christian Brueckner.

A Portuguese investigator will reveal tonight that it is one of many different clues that point the finger directly at the convicted s-e-x offender.

Journalist Sandra Felgueiras will announce the discovery on prime time Portuguese television this evening.

“I am certain Brueckner did it and the Portuguese police know he worked with an accomplice,” she told the Olive Press today.

Her SABADO Investigation on the CMTV channel managed to establish that the main evidence is a ‘trace of the English girl found by German police inside the motorhome he drove in 2007’.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters refused to confirm or deny this week that a DNA link had been discovered in the VW van.

But, he explained to Felgueiras – who has been investigating the case since May 2007 – that he could not confirm it ‘because the suspect has not yet been informed’.



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The DNA link is ‘just one of several revelations’ set to be presented by Felgueiras’ show, recorded in Germany this week.

“It was him. He is guilty,” Felguieras added today. “The key point is that Wolters doesn’t deny it.”

She added: “The crime was for money and I think Russians were involved.”


It comes as a rival documentary on Spanish crime channel AMC will tonight claim that Brueckner is NOT guilty of snatching the toddler.

Ex-policeman Mark Williams Thomas will claim that the German police investigation has got it entirely wrong.

He says the facts are ‘inaccurate and misleading’ and he tells the Daily Mail today that his programme will ‘blow their claims to smithereens’.

Felguiras said: “Mark is wrong. He (has an agreement) with Brueckner and his lawyer.”

In particular, he claims that the phone Brueckner allegedly used in Praia da Luz, just hours before Maddie was snatched, could have been used by someone else and up to 21 miles away.

He will also claim that he had an alibi on the night as he was illegally having s-e-x in his van with a 17-year-old girl many miles away in Carvoiera.

Yet, he himself admits in the Daily Mail article that she CANNOT give him an alibi for the actual night in question.

A German police source confirmed this to the Olive Press this morning: “Police have already interviewed the girl twice and she was unclear on the actual dates.

“She only remembers his general behaviour when they got stopped at a police roadblock. That he was absolutely calm and cool.

“Because of that she thinks many years later he had nothing to do with Maddie’s abduction.”

The Olive Press has been in touch with the German girl (who we are not revealing for legal reasons) who now lives in southern Germany.

She declined to comment and, it is understood, also refused to be interviewed for the documentary also set to air on Channel 5 in the UK, this week.

Intriguingly, she had been arrested at Faro airport on May 10, 2007, when police found a Mace rape spray in her bag going through security.

She was grilled over it, but didn’t give a proper explanation.

Madeleine Van
Christian Brueckner is currently serving seven years in prison for the rape of an American pensioner, 72, in Praia da Luz in 2005.

The 17-times convicted s-e-x offender had violently attacked Diana Menkes, before raping her on film over a number of hours.

He is expected to be charged over another rape of an Irish girl nearby in 2004, as well as three other child abuse cases, in the next couple of months.

One girl was allegedly molested by Brueckner on a beach near Praia da Luz exactly a month before Maddie went missing.

Yesterday her parents released a statement via social media stressing they will be thinking of her on the 15th anniversary of her disappearance today.

They hinted that they finally knew – and accepted – that their daughter had been killed.

“Many people talk about the need for ‘closure’. It’s always felt a strange term. Regardless of outcome, Madeleine will always be our daughter and a truly horrific crime has been committed.”

olive press


Jon Clarke, the most trusted news source for all things McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on May 06, 2022, 11:59:59 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 03, 2022, 12:27:46 PM
It's a strange way of going about prosecution though.

Refuse to share the evidence with the defence, but then let them know what the evidence is via mass media.

Except that Wolters didn't specify any evidentce. Media speculation just got copied around, as usual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 06, 2022, 12:05:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 05, 2022, 05:10:56 PM
No, her investigation docu said that traces of Maddie had been found in the campervan, when no such thing happened.

I don't know who started the pyjamas nonsense, but plenty of people fell for it.

Kind of explains why so many people believe the McCanns.

People lie & then there are idiots willing to believe them.

I agree but we dont agree on who is lying...certainly not Wolters or the McCanns  as I  see it. you have made your mind up based on what you beleive...youll find out its you who has fell for lies
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 12:12:23 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 06, 2022, 12:05:20 PM
I agree but we dont agree on who is lying...certainly not Wolters or the McCanns  as I  see it. you have made your mind up based on what you beleive...youll find out its you who has fell for lies

Ok, let me know when they catch the abductor. Shouldn't be much longer now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 06, 2022, 12:44:42 PM
It seems to me that this case is being tried by media with the help of Wolters. That suggests that the evidence the Germans have isn't enough to convict their suspect in the normal way. If, two years after going public, the evidence they hoped to find hasn't appeared perhaps they should consider that it might not exist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 06, 2022, 12:44:42 PM
It seems to me that this case is being tried by media with the help of Wolters. That suggests that the evidence the Germans have isn't enough to convict their suspect in the normal way. If, two years after going public, the evidence they hoped to find hasn't appeared perhaps they should consider that it might not exist.

Do you seriously believe that a Panel of German Judges will be influenced by The Media?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 12:56:08 PM
Do you seriously believe that a Panel of German Judges will be influenced by The Media?

Brueckner is going to be tried?

When is that starting?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 06, 2022, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 06, 2022, 12:44:42 PM
It seems to me that this case is being tried by media with the help of Wolters. That suggests that the evidence the Germans have isn't enough to convict their suspect in the normal way. If, two years after going public, the evidence they hoped to find hasn't appeared perhaps they should consider that it might not exist.

You cant make any informed judgement when you dont know what evidence Wolters has.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 06, 2022, 01:09:45 PM
You cant make any informed judgement when you dont know what evidence Wolters has.....

Does he have any?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on May 06, 2022, 01:53:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 12:56:08 PM
Do you seriously believe that a Panel of German Judges will be influenced by The Media?

Do you seriously believe that after two years and a worldwide appeal for witnesses which, it would appear, took the case no further forward that a Panel of Judges will ever hear the case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 06, 2022, 01:53:05 PM
Do you seriously believe that after two years and a worldwide appeal for witnesses which, it would appear, took the case no further forward that a Panel of Judges will ever hear the case?

Wolters already had enough to charge Brueckner two years ago, he said so, but he wanted to strengthen his case, now he's got even more evidence, he said so, but he just needs to find a bit more. Patience dear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 06, 2022, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 06, 2022, 12:44:42 PM
It seems to me that this case is being tried by media with the help of Wolters. That suggests that the evidence the Germans have isn't enough to convict their suspect in the normal way. If, two years after going public, the evidence they hoped to find hasn't appeared perhaps they should consider that it might not exist.
Perhaps you should consider that they don't need your advice in order to do their jobs, particularly as you have no idea what evidence they do have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 06, 2022, 01:53:05 PM
Do you seriously believe that after two years and a worldwide appeal for witnesses which, it would appear, took the case no further forward that a Panel of Judges will ever hear the case?

I have absolutely no idea.

My comment applies to any and every case.

But Germany has got a problem with Brueckner in the here and now.  Germany will have to do something about him before he is allowed to wander all over Europe unchecked, again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 06, 2022, 02:05:03 PM
Perhaps you should consider that they don't need your advice in order to do their jobs, particularly as you have no idea what evidence they do have.

Well, she knows it isn't DNA or forensic, unless Wolters was bluffing about that & he actually did find traces of Maddie in the van.

I suppose that's possible, if you're desperate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 06, 2022, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 06, 2022, 01:53:05 PM
Do you seriously believe that after two years and a worldwide appeal for witnesses which, it would appear, took the case no further forward that a Panel of Judges will ever hear the case?
Do you seriously believe that anyone on this forum is qualified enough or sufficiently well-informed on what evidence the Germans have to know that this case will never make it before German judges? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 06, 2022, 03:21:40 PM
A serious case of overbite for our resident dental expert...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10789469/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-says-German-police-altered-photo-face-rabbit-teeth.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10789469/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-says-German-police-altered-photo-face-rabbit-teeth.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 06, 2022, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 06, 2022, 03:21:40 PM
A serious case of overbite for our resident dental expert...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10789469/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-says-German-police-altered-photo-face-rabbit-teeth.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10789469/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-says-German-police-altered-photo-face-rabbit-teeth.html)

       Great minds etc.           https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12353.msg682941#msg682941
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 03:35:07 PM

Really earth shattering news again.

The evidence just keeps piling up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 06, 2022, 03:40:01 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 06, 2022, 03:34:37 PM
       Great minds etc.           https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12353.msg682941#msg682941 (https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12353.msg682941#msg682941)
You're the brains... I'm just here to make up the numbers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 06, 2022, 04:07:31 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 06, 2022, 03:40:01 PM
You're the brains... I'm just here to make up the numbers.

Thanks Myster, you flatter me, I'll accept the compliment gladly but I know who the real 'brains' is and you do far more than make up the numbers. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 06, 2022, 03:21:40 PM
A serious case of overbite for our resident dental expert...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10789469/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-says-German-police-altered-photo-face-rabbit-teeth.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10789469/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-says-German-police-altered-photo-face-rabbit-teeth.html)

How is this going to help in convicting Brueckner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 05:01:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 04:38:50 PM
How is this going to help in convicting Brueckner?

Are you beginning to realise?

Fair play to you if so, maybe the rest of the forum will cotton on eventually.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 05:24:18 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 05:01:00 PM
Are you beginning to realise?

Fair play to you if so, maybe the rest of the forum will cotton on eventually.

It isn't going to help to convict him.  Are you stupid or what.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 06, 2022, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 04:38:50 PM
How is this going to help in convicting Brueckner?
He's just bored through being banged up on his ownsome for 23 hours a day and probably thinks any petty pointless distraction in his neat cursive script will get the attention he seeks and off the hook.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 05:41:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 05:24:18 PM
It isn't going to help to convict him.  Are you stupid or what.

That's what I was saying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 05:48:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 05:41:23 PM
That's what I was saying.

But Brueckner is saying it would.  Can you read and comprehend?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on May 06, 2022, 05:51:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 02:05:47 PM
I have absolutely no idea.

My comment applies to any and every case.

But Germany has got a problem with Brueckner in the here and now.  Germany will have to do something about him before he is allowed to wander all over Europe unchecked, again.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 06:09:40 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 05:48:34 PM
But Brueckner is saying it would.  Can you read and comprehend?

I was taking the piss but you didn't even realise, and you have the audacity to call me stupid?

You're dumb enough to believe Joana was abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 06, 2022, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 06:09:40 PM
I was taking the piss but you didn't even realise, and you have the audacity to call me stupid?

You're dumb enough to believe Joana was abducted.

Any old excuse will do with you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 06, 2022, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 05:01:00 PM
Are you beginning to realise?

Fair play to you if so, maybe the rest of the forum will cotton on eventually.

Wolters is .

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/madeleine-mccann-no-charges-in-sight-for-christian-brueckner-says-prosecutor-wdlff6l7x

However, Hans-Christian Wolters, the senior public prosecutor for the German city of Braunschweig, said his team had not yet found conclusive proof and had no plans “in sight” to prosecute Brückner over the McCann case — contrary to reports that charges would be filed soon.

“I can’t say when it will be wrapped up,” Wolters told The Times. “Over the past two years we have absolutely made progress in this investigation.

“We have new findings and new evidence. But there’s nothing that could prove in scientific terms, for example, that Madeleine is dead, such as traces of DNA or bone fragments.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 06, 2022, 08:58:47 PM
Wolters is .

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/madeleine-mccann-no-charges-in-sight-for-christian-brueckner-says-prosecutor-wdlff6l7x

However, Hans-Christian Wolters, the senior public prosecutor for the German city of Braunschweig, said his team had not yet found conclusive proof and had no plans “in sight” to prosecute Brückner over the McCann case — contrary to reports that charges would be filed soon.

“I can’t say when it will be wrapped up,” Wolters told The Times. “Over the past two years we have absolutely made progress in this investigation.

“We have new findings and new evidence. But there’s nothing that could prove in scientific terms, for example, that Madeleine is dead, such as traces of DNA or bone fragments.”

I'm glad someone got it  @)(++(*

But what about the photographic evidence of Maddie?

Why isn't that enough to bring charges?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 06, 2022, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
I'm glad someone got it  @)(++(*

But what about the photographic evidence of Maddie?

Why isn't that enough to bring charges?
Because the photograph proves maddie died at the hands of a paedo but does not identity the paedo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 09:42:35 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 06, 2022, 09:36:29 PM
Because the photograph proves maddie died at the hands of a paedo but does not identity the paedo

Only in your imagination.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 06, 2022, 09:43:35 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 09:42:35 PM
Only in your imagination.

No
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 09:44:06 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 06, 2022, 09:43:35 PM
No

Oh, so you've seen it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 06, 2022, 09:48:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 09:44:06 PM
Oh, so you've seen it?

I dont have to see it to judge whether it exists.
I haven't seen the covid virus but I know it exists
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 09:49:02 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 06, 2022, 09:48:06 PM
I dont have to see it to judge whether it exists.
I haven't seen the covid virus but I know it exists

That's because there's evidence of corona virus.

What evidence is there of this paedo photo?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 09:50:39 PM


Wait, don't tell me, something Wolters said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 07, 2022, 05:37:56 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2022, 09:50:39 PM

Wait, don't tell me, something Wolters said.
It's akin  to the fibre nonsense, fertile imaginations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 07:15:20 AM
Quote from: barrier on May 07, 2022, 05:37:56 AM
It's akin  to the fibre nonsense, fertile imaginations.
Wolters has said there are no fibres but he has said that there is concrete evidence that would leave you in little doubt of CB’s involvement.  So, do you think he’s telling the truth about the former but lying about the latter?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 07:43:00 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 07:15:20 AM
Wolters has said there are no fibres but he has said that there is concrete evidence that would leave you in little doubt of CB’s involvement.  So, do you think he’s telling the truth about the former but lying about the latter?

We know he doesn't have dna or fibres, because if he did no amount of alibi for May 3rd could counter either.

We just have to take his word for it that there's an abundance of other concrete evidence.
Just like we have to take SY & the McCanns word for it that Maddie was definitely abducted.

No, I'll pass thanks.

So it's Wolters move now & he's not bringing charges.

Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 08:21:52 AM

Wolters said something along the lines of, if we saw the evidence he had we'd be left in no doubt.

But he clearly believes that if a court saw the evidence there would be room for reasonable doubt.

He thinks the public are all gullible plebs compared to court judges.

He might have a point there, considering so many people still believe that Maddie was abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 09:09:03 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
Wolters said something along the lines of, if we saw the evidence he had we'd be left in no doubt.

But he clearly believes that if a court saw the evidence there would be room for reasonable doubt.

He thinks the public are all gullible plebs compared to court judges.

He might have a point there, considering so many people still believe that Maddie was abducted.

I. think it's you who is the gullible pleb for believing all the anti McCann propaganda
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:11:59 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 09:09:03 AM
I. think it's you who is the gullible pleb for believing all the anti McCann propaganda

Oooh, touchy. Care to reference any propaganda that I believe in?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 09:15:15 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:11:59 AM
Oooh, touchy. Care to reference any propaganda that I believe in?
You are convinced the McCanns are guilty.. What do you base that belief on
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:16:54 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 09:15:15 AM
You are convinced the McCanns are guilty.. What do you base that belief on

The total absence of tangible, credible, verifiable abduction evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 09:15:15 AM
You are convinced the McCanns are guilty.. What do you base that belief on
good question.  Where's all the concrete evidence of their guilt and what has made 3 police forces completely blind to it?  Are they all thick, or in the pay of higher masters protecting the evil doctors?  Gotta be an explanation...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 09:18:03 AM
good question.  Where's all the concrete evidence of their guilt and what has made 3 police forces completely blind to it?  Are they all thick, or in the pay of higher masters?  Gotta be an explanation...

Don't need any, the absence of credible abduction evidence is enough for any reasonable person to come to the conclusion something else must have happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 09:29:56 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:16:54 AM
The total absence of tangible, credible, verifiable abduction evidence.

So no real evidence of their involvement yet you are convinced of their involvement.. How do you think that would stand up in court
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 09:29:56 AM
So no real evidence of their involvement yet you are convinced of their involvement.. How do you think that would stand up in court

I never said it would.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 09:41:07 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
I never said it would.
So your bekief in the McCann's guilt is not based on any real evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 09:41:47 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 09:09:03 AM
I. think it's you who is the gullible pleb for believing all the anti McCann propaganda

Please don't insult gullible plebs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:44:13 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 09:41:07 AM
So your bekief in the McCann's guilt is not based on any real evidence

What evidence is there Maddie was abducted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:55:00 AM

Because the McCanns said so & SY said so & Wolters said so.

That's where we are at, about same place we were 15 years ago.

That's what 14 million quid buys us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 10:09:24 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:55:00 AM
Because the McCanns said so & SY said so & Wolters said so.

That's where we are at, about same place we were 15 years ago.

That's what 14 million quid buys us.

So you reject abduction as you think there's no evidence but accuse the mccanns... Even though there's no evidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 10:09:24 AM
So you reject abduction as you think there's no evidence but accuse the mccanns... Even though there's no evidence

I haven't seen any, do you know of any, care to share it?


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 10:16:18 AM
I haven't seen any, do you know of any, care to share it?

I'd prefer to leave it there... We've established that you are prepared to believe something based on no evidence.. Wolters tells us his beliefs are based on evidence.. He's not an anonymous blogger but spokesman for the German invesigation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 10:24:24 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 10:22:16 AM
I'd prefer to leave it there... We've established that you are prepared to believe something based on no evidence.. Wolters tells us his beliefs are based on evidence.. He's not an anonymous blogger but spokesman for the German invesigation

...and how is his investigation going?

Making real progress, clearly.

I can't even begin to imagine why he might have reached a dead end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 12:24:12 PM
The Mail's latest theory....

Brueckner abducted Maddie, sold her to child traffickers, then bought her back from them & murdered her.

Madeleine McCann prosecutors probe whether missing girl was killed after being abducted and sold to child trafficking gang

Prosecutors are investigating the possibility Madeleine McCann was killed after being abducted and sold to a child trafficking gang.

Hans Christian-Wolters made the revelation in a Portuguese TV interview just days after revealing to MailOnline he had ‘new evidence’ against prime suspect Christian Brueckner.

Convicted rapist and paedophile Brueckner, 45, was identified as the man responsible for her abduction and ‘murder’ by German authorities in June 2020.

Since then they have been building a case against him but no charges have been brought – fuelling speculation the case against him is crumbling away and there will be no end to the 15 year mystery.

Portuguese TV reporter Sandra Felgueiras during her Sabado show on CMTV, asked Mr Wolters:’ So, you don’t believe that she was sold ?’

To which he replied: ‘I am not allowed to speak about these details,’ but when pressed and asked ‘if this was a possibility?’ he answered:’ Maybe it’s a possibility,’ without denying it.

The possibility that Madeleine was kidnapped to order for a child trafficking gang has been mooted before but there has never been any real elements to back the theory up.

Five years ago former Scotland Yard officer Colin Sutton suggested a ‘kidnap to order’ was the most likely and credible scenario for her disappearance.

However Mr Wolters insists they have ‘significant new evidence’ against him but ‘not forensic evidence’ and are adamant Brueckner is the man responsible.

Madeleine vanished from her parents Kate and Gerry’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve coast in May 2007 and despite numerous ‘sightings’ no trace of her has ever been found.

The show once again highlighted Brueckner’s relationship with fellow German Nicole Fehlinger and suggested they carried out the kidnap together.

But Mr Wolters denied this theory and said:’ We have checked this out. It is not part of our enquiry.’

He added:’ I can only say that at the moment we have only one suspicious person and that is Christian, there is no other person for us who is suspicious.’

When pressed as to when there would be a conclusion to the case Mr Wolters said: ‘The public and the McCanns have the right that we investigate seriously and that we only say something about the case when we are sure.'

‘He added: 'We are sure that he is the murderer of Madeleine McCann.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10792017/Madeleine-McCann-prosecutors-probe-killed-sold-traffickers.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 12:32:16 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 10:22:16 AM
I'd prefer to leave it there... We've established that you are prepared to believe something based on no evidence.. Wolters tells us his beliefs are based on evidence.. He's not an anonymous blogger but spokesman for the German invesigation
Quite.  And as there is no possible way that the troll can know what evidence the Germans have he writes from a position of almost complete ignorance. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 12:32:16 PM
Quite.  And as there is no possible way that the troll can know what evidence the Germans have he writes from a position of almost complete ignorance.

Well, I do know he has neither dna, nor forensics, nor any other evidence credible enough to successfully prosecute Brueckner with, or anyone else for that matter.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on May 07, 2022, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
Wolters said something along the lines of, if we saw the evidence he had we'd be left in no doubt.

But he clearly believes that if a court saw the evidence there would be room for reasonable doubt.

He thinks the public are all gullible plebs compared to court judges.

He might have a point there, considering so many people still believe that Maddie was abducted.

There are only two possibilities in my opinion and that is she either walked out of the apartment and was lifted or she was abducted from the bedroom. I see no other option.

Either way, she was abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 12:55:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo222 on May 07, 2022, 12:47:00 PM
There are only two possibilities in my opinion and that is she either walked out of the apartment and was lifted or she was abducted from the bedroom. I see no other option.

Either way, she was abducted.

Well, she didn't wander out the back, because for that to be possible you would have to concede that the McCanns didn't tell the truth about the allegedly open window, & if that is the case then they could possibly have failed to tell the truth about something else, couldn't they?

The MWT conundrum, he was cut short by Phillip Schofield for legal reasons when discussing his theory on GMTV
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 07, 2022, 01:03:11 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 12:32:16 PM
Quite.  And as there is no possible way that the troll can know what evidence the Germans have he writes from a position of almost complete ignorance.

As does everyone here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 12:55:37 PM
Well, she didn't wander out the back, because for that to be possible you would have to concede that the McCanns didn't tell the truth about the allegedly open window, & if that is the case then they could possibly have failed to tell the truth about something else, couldn't they?

The MWT conundrum, he was cut short by Phillip Schofield for legal reasons when discussing his theory on GMTV

Appearing on This Morning, Mark Williams-Thomas said: “It’s such a well trodden story by so many and such a difficult story to tell now because there are so many legal implications.

“On that morning of Madeleine’s disappearance, we do know she went to [her parents] Gerry and Kate and said: ‘Where were you last night?’

“Because we know the twins did wake up on days prior to her disappearance.

“And I think as a result of that, Madeleine was clearly aware they were in the tapas bar that was in the resort.

“Now the interesting element in that is in order to get to the tapas bar you had to actually come out of the premises, walk on a public road to go back in again.

“And that raises a concern I have in regards to Madeleine. I believe she woke up in the middle of the night, she went looking for Gerry and Kate and she left the apartment and went out.

“Because we know the patio door at the back was insecure.”

Co-host Philip Schofield then interjected to ask Williams-Thomas to stop theorising further for legal reasons.

The McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell told The Sun: “This is pure speculation and as such Kate and Gerry will not be dignifying it with any sort of comment whatsoever.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/madeleine-mccann-theory-revealed-by-investigative-journalist-10-years-after-she-went-missing_uk_58ad5773e4b0d0a6ef464cbc


(probably should have posted it in the MWT thread but it's relevant to woke & wandered)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 01:14:21 PM

Tis really funny how often some people completely miss the elephant in the room.  Well, elephants actually.  But never mind.  It keeps me amused.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 12:39:30 PM
Well, I do know he has neither dna, nor forensics, nor any other evidence credible enough to successfully prosecute Brueckner with, or anyone else for that matter.

He has evidence which convinces him... All of the evidence he has may not be admissible... Evidence collected in the Australian and Paraguan investigations. Thidvis being decided in the German courts at the moment as regards another case
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 01:27:11 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 01:19:12 PM
He has evidence which convinces him... All of the evidence he has may not be admissible... Evidence collected in the Australian and Paraguan investigations. Thidvis being decided in the German courts at the moment as regards another case
.

But not this case. No charges in sight for this case, despite two years of hype.

Yes, maybe it's just a technical legal issue & not because his evidence is phoney & has been grossly exaggerated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 01:28:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 07, 2022, 01:03:11 PM
As does everyone here.
It is not ignorant to say that three police forces are investigating the disappearance as a stranger abduction and that CB was made arguido based on strong indications of the practice of a crime, though many here dispute this.  It is ignorant to say that there is no evidence to support stranger abduction, which is a position many here insist is the truth despite the obvious fact that it is not, otherwise it would not be being investigated by three police forces. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 01:28:14 PM
It is not ignorant to say that three police forces are investigating the disappearance as a stranger abduction and that CB was made arguido based on strong indications of the practice of a crime, though many here dispute this.  It is ignorant to say that there is no evidence to support stranger abduction, which is a position many here insist is the truth despite the obvious fact that it is not, otherwise it would not be being investigated by three police forces.

There is, it's just it's a secondhand alleged confession & a phone call that doesn't prove anything either.

Appeal to authority as much as you like, but the authority you appeal to have rammed into a brick wall.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 01:28:14 PM
It is not ignorant to say that three police forces are investigating the disappearance as a stranger abduction and that CB was made arguido based on strong indications of the practice of a crime, though many here dispute this.  It is ignorant to say that there is no evidence to support stranger abduction, which is a position many here insist is the truth despite the obvious fact that it is not, otherwise it would not be being investigated by three police forces.

Ah well you see, they would have to admit that they were wrong.  And we all know that they will never do that because that would involve admitting that they are downright nasty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 07, 2022, 01:57:07 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 01:28:14 PM
It is not ignorant to say that three police forces are investigating the disappearance as a stranger abduction and that CB was made arguido based on strong indications of the practice of a crime, though many here dispute this.  It is ignorant to say that there is no evidence to support stranger abduction, which is a position many here insist is the truth despite the obvious fact that it is not, otherwise it would not be being investigated by three police forces.

I never used 'ignorant' in that way. I was replying to;

"as there is no possible way that the troll can know what evidence the Germans have he writes from a position of almost complete ignorance."

Which applies to everyone here, not just 'trolls'.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 02:02:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 07, 2022, 01:57:07 PM
I never used 'ignorant' in that way. I was replying to;

"as there is no possible way that the troll can know what evidence the Germans have he writes from a position of almost complete ignorance."

Which applies to everyone here, not just 'trolls'.

But it's not total ignorance, we know they don't have sufficient credible evidence to prosecute Brueckner.
We know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 02:34:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 07, 2022, 01:57:07 PM
I never used 'ignorant' in that way. I was replying to;

"as there is no possible way that the troll can know what evidence the Germans have he writes from a position of almost complete ignorance."

Which applies to everyone here, not just 'trolls'.
I think you are missing the point.  Claiming that there is no evidence of stranger abduction and/or that the German authorities have no evidence against Bruckner is a claim made from a position of almost complete ignorance.  The troll (amongst others, yourself included) is making that claim, I am not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 02:34:52 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 01:35:25 PM
There is, it's just it's a secondhand alleged confession & a phone call that doesn't prove anything either.

Appeal to authority as much as you like, but the authority you appeal to have rammed into a brick wall.

If Wolters is a complete liar.. Idiot... And is backed by the BKA you are right... But I don't see that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 01:27:11 PM
But not this case. No charges in sight for this case, despite two years of hype.

Yes, maybe it's just a technical legal issue & not because his evidence is phoney & has been grossly exaggerated.

There could well be evidence relating to this case collected overseas... You want to believe his evidence is phoney.. I don't see that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
It would seem that some people point blank refuse to accept that the German authorities have kept back evidence from the public domain.  It seems that they believe the Germans have divulged every scrap of evidence that they have.  It;s a very ignorant belief IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 02:34:35 PM
I think you are missing the point.  Claiming that there is no evidence of stranger abduction and/or that the German authorities have no evidence against Bruckner is a claim made from a position of almost complete ignorance.  The troll (amongst others, yourself included) is making that claim, I am not.

A claim made from a position of total ignorance in reality
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
It would seem that some people point blank refuse to accept that the German authorities have kept back evidence from the public domain.  It seems that they believe the Germans have divulged every scrap of evidence that they have.  It;s a very ignorant belief IMO.

Whatever they do or might have doesn't carry sufficient weight to pursue a prosecution against either Brueckner or anyone else.

Whatever they might have leaves space for reasonable doubt, whilst simultaneously being 100% convincing, apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 03:03:56 PM
I know without doubt that The McCanns are not responsible for the disappearance of their daughter.  Plain Logic tells me that.

Therefor someone else must be responsible and there have been a few suggestions in the past, albeit without much success.

Brueckner?  Who knows?  But he is the most likely so far with his track record, although more likely to have been for financial gain in my opinion.

I am still battling with German Law after years of Portuguese Law, which are both vastly different from British Law.

But Germany has got him and they won't be letting him go in a hurry, to wander around Europe unchecked.  He has been locked up for quite some time and is now probably more dangerous.  Psychopaths always think that they are more clever.  So lock up your Grannies and your Children just in case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 03:03:56 PM
I know without doubt that The McCanns are not responsible for the disappearance of their daughter. Plain Logic tells me that.[/b]

Therefor someone else must be responsible and there have been a few suggestions in the past, albeit without much success.

Brueckner?  Who knows?  But he is the most likely so far with his track record, although more likely to have been for financial gain in my opinion.

I am still battling with German Law after years of Portuguese Law, which are both vastly different from British Law.

But Germany has got him and they won't be letting him go in a hurry, to wander around Europe unchecked.  He has been locked up for quite some time and is now probably more dangerous.  Psychopaths always think that they are more clever.  So lock up your Grannies and your Children just in case.


Wolters is in possession of all the evidence & is 100% convinced by it that Brueckner murdered Maddie &, if only you could see the evidence you'd be equally convinced by it.

Why do you doubt him?  That's just crazy thinking, you must think the BKA are all idiots.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 03:09:58 PM

Wolters is in possession of all the evidence & is 100% convinced by it that Brueckner murdered Maddie &, if only you could see the evidence you'd be equally convinced by it.

Why do you doubt him?  That's just crazy thinking, you must think the BKA are all idiots.

Guess what?  I don't really care.  Beyond the fact that Brueckner must have travelled through France on several occasions on his way to Germany.

Whether or not The BKA are idiots is really not that important.  But they ain't so daft that they can't keep him locked up for a while yet.  And quite legitimately.

Brueckner is now the total responsibility of The Germans.  On their heads be it if he ever goes free.  Do you think The Germans don't know this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 03:53:01 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 02:57:00 PM
Whatever they do or might have doesn't carry sufficient weight to pursue a prosecution against either Brueckner or anyone else.

Whatever they might have leaves space for reasonable doubt, whilst simultaneously being 100% convincing, apparently.

I've explained how it's possible to be 100% sure of someones guilt but unable to prosecute.
I know 100% someone stole from be but CPS say not enough evidence to prosecute
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 03:39:13 PM
Guess what?  I don't really care.  Beyond the fact that Brueckner must have travelled through France on several occasions on his way to Germany.

Whether or not The BKA are idiots is really not that important. But they ain't so daft that they can't keep him locked up for a while yet.  And quite legitimately.

Brueckner is now the total responsibility of The Germans.  On their heads be it if he ever goes free.  Do you think The Germans don't know this?

Unimportant? It's outright illogical, you'd have to concede that Wolters was utterly wrong or even lying for your people trafficking theory to be plausible, right?

I'm surprised the other supporters never pull you up on this glaring discrepancy, it's quite absurd & is totally at odds with the concrete evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 07, 2022, 03:53:01 PM
I've explained how it's possible to be 100% sure of someones guilt but unable to prosecute.
I know 100% someone stole from be but CPS say not enough evidence to prosecute

But Wolters does have enough evidence to bring charges, according to him, he said so nearly two years ago.

He's strengthened his case even further since then, he said so the other week, if you believe him.

That must be why he isn't bringing charges, the more evidence you obtain the less admissible it becomes.

At least, that's the only way I can make sense of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 03:56:40 PM
Unimportant? It's outright illogical, you'd have to concede that Wolters was utterly wrong or even lying for your people trafficking theory to be plausible, right?

I'm surprised the other supporters never pull you up on this glaring discrepancy, it's quite absurd & is totally at odds with the concrete evidence.

What on earth are you talking about?  Brueckner is locked up and will stay so.  I don't care about what Germany will do to him.

Brueckner is now their ball game.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 04:03:03 PM
What on earth are you talking about?  Brueckner is locked up and will stay so.  I don't care about what Germany will do to him.

Brueckner is now their ball game.

And it's Wolters to serve, but he's been standing at the baseline for the past two years, clutching the ball very tightly to his chest & refusing to serve it to Brueckner.

Umpires call,  Brueckner wins by default.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 04:10:21 PM
And it's Wolters to serve, but he's been standing at the baseline for the past two years, clutching the ball very tightly to his chest & refusing to serve it to Brueckner.

Umpires call,  Brueckner wins by default.

If Brueckner ever goes free.  At least in the next thirty years.

How many more sexual assaults against children will there be?  Another Rape is looking likely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 04:22:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 04:18:26 PM
If Brueckner ever goes free.  At least in the next thirty years.

How many more sexual assaults against children will there be?  Another Rape is looking likely.

Well they can't keep him in indefinitely, he only got 7 years.

He can pretty much do what he wants after that, unless, until, they can nail him for raping that Hazel woman or masturbating in front of a girl on the beach.

But he won't be serving time for the abduction & murder of Maddie anytime soon so we can forget that.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 04:28:01 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 04:22:36 PM
Well they can't keep him in indefinitely, he only got 7 years.

He can pretty much do what he wants after that, unless, until, they can nail him for raping that Hazel woman or masturbating in front of a girl on the beach.

But he won't be serving time for the abduction & murder of Maddie anytime soon so we can forget that.

The Rape and The Sexual Abuse will do for now.  Both of which he has committed in the past.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 07, 2022, 04:28:01 PM
The Rape and The Sexual Abuse will do for now.  Both of which he has committed in the past.

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

7 years from a maximum of 15 seems a little lenient for a violent rape, & people complain about Portugal.

I wonder what his mitigation was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 07, 2022, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 04:36:56 PM
Let he without sin cast the first stone.

7 years from a maximum of 15 seems a little lenient for a violent rape, & people complain about Portugal.

I wonder what his mitigation was.

First offence ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 04:59:03 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 07, 2022, 04:57:24 PM
First offence ?

No, he already had previous for theft, drug dealing & molestation by then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 07, 2022, 05:01:25 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 04:59:03 PM
No, he already had previous for theft, drug dealing & molestation by then.
First rape conviction though
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 05:03:42 PM

The Mirror are going with Brueckner being a paying customer while his accomplice did the more complicated abducting part now. I'm still not sure where the Russians fit into all of this.

Madeleine McCann snatched by accomplice who sold her to suspect, prosecutor suggests

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-snatched-accomplice-who-26900867

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on May 07, 2022, 05:06:52 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 12:24:12 PM
The Mail's latest theory....

Brueckner abducted Maddie, sold her to child traffickers, then bought her back from them & murdered her.

Madeleine McCann prosecutors probe whether missing girl was killed after being abducted and sold to child trafficking gang

Prosecutors are investigating the possibility Madeleine McCann was killed after being abducted and sold to a child trafficking gang.

Hans Christian-Wolters made the revelation in a Portuguese TV interview just days after revealing to MailOnline he had ‘new evidence’ against prime suspect Christian Brueckner.

Convicted rapist and paedophile Brueckner, 45, was identified as the man responsible for her abduction and ‘murder’ by German authorities in June 2020.

Since then they have been building a case against him but no charges have been brought – fuelling speculation the case against him is crumbling away and there will be no end to the 15 year mystery.

Portuguese TV reporter Sandra Felgueiras during her Sabado show on CMTV, asked Mr Wolters:’ So, you don’t believe that she was sold ?’

To which he replied: ‘I am not allowed to speak about these details,’ but when pressed and asked ‘if this was a possibility?’ he answered:’ Maybe it’s a possibility,’ without denying it.

The possibility that Madeleine was kidnapped to order for a child trafficking gang has been mooted before but there has never been any real elements to back the theory up.

Five years ago former Scotland Yard officer Colin Sutton suggested a ‘kidnap to order’ was the most likely and credible scenario for her disappearance.

However Mr Wolters insists they have ‘significant new evidence’ against him but ‘not forensic evidence’ and are adamant Brueckner is the man responsible.

Madeleine vanished from her parents Kate and Gerry’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve coast in May 2007 and despite numerous ‘sightings’ no trace of her has ever been found.

The show once again highlighted Brueckner’s relationship with fellow German Nicole Fehlinger and suggested they carried out the kidnap together.

But Mr Wolters denied this theory and said:’ We have checked this out. It is not part of our enquiry.’

He added:’ I can only say that at the moment we have only one suspicious person and that is Christian, there is no other person for us who is suspicious.’

When pressed as to when there would be a conclusion to the case Mr Wolters said: ‘The public and the McCanns have the right that we investigate seriously and that we only say something about the case when we are sure.'

‘He added: 'We are sure that he is the murderer of Madeleine McCann.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10792017/Madeleine-McCann-prosecutors-probe-killed-sold-traffickers.html

If trafficking is involved then surely Busching is a better fit?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 07, 2022, 05:06:52 PM
If trafficking is involved then surely Busching is a better fit?

Trafficking, drugs & beating up tramps, apparently.

Can see why him & Brueckner were friends.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 05:41:14 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 07, 2022, 05:06:52 PM
If trafficking is involved then surely Busching is a better fit?
Busching was done for smuggling in three adult illegal immigrants, not child sex slaves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 06:28:17 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 05:41:14 PM
Busching was done for smuggling in three adult illegal immigrants, not child sex slaves.

Those vulnerable adult migrants seeking a better life were still someone's beloved children & the vile people trafficker exploited them.

..and I just read that the beggar beaten about the Busching was female.

How can we possibly rely on Busching's testimony against Brueckner, the man is a monster.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 06:32:38 PM
Lifted from STM where there are screenshots of various documents (I don’t know how to add them here), translation credited to Joana Morais

Thanks to J> Morais.

nvestigation SÁBADO. Alibi of sole suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance is not confirmed

By Sandra Felgueiras & Diogo Barreto

The Portuguese authorities do not believe that Bruckner acted alone. A robbery which occurred six months later a few kilometres from Praia da Luz shares several points in common with the disappearance of the child.

Christian Bruckner is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the British child who mysteriously disappeared on May 6, 2007, in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve. But the Portuguese authorities doubt he acted alone and his alibi has no strong foundation. The SÁBADO investigation was in Germany on the 15th anniversary of the disappearance of the English child.

SÁBADO Investigation has been given access to the alleged alibi Christian Bruckner provided in order to prove he was not responsible for Madeleine McCann's disappearance, but which does not clear him. The alibi is a German woman called Anna Lena Einhart who was arrested for possession of a prohibited weapon at Faro airport six days after Madeleine went missing.

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Bruckner's lawyer has been trying - for two years - to convince several journalists that Bruckner was with her at the time of her disappearance, but the criminal court file, to which we have had exclusive access, only shows that Bruckner acted as translator for Anna Lena during her judicial interrogation on May 9 2007.

Yet Bruckner guarantees that on the night of 3 May 2007, the night of the disappearance of the English child, he was having s-e-x in the camper van with a German woman near Faro. The SÁBADO investigation followed her trail, but never located her. We did find a file linking the two on 9 May, six days after the disappearance. She tried to board the plane with pepper spray at Faro airport on her way to Germany. The translator during the judicial interrogation was Christian Bruckner, as is well documented in the file that SÁBADO had access to, and he gave a German address.

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Jutta Rabe, an investigative journalist was never convinced by Bruckner's arguments. "I wrote to him and he wrote me long letters and he claims that he was a drug dealer at that time and I said: 'Then you must have witnesses, you can tell places where you were and where you were on those days, 2 May, 3 May, 4 May' and he said he was travelling between Spain and Portugal and I told him: 'Then give me names. Were you with a friend, give me names. Were you with any friends?' And he said yes. And I said I would check everything he told me, but he never gave me any details."

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Portuguese News - Maddie Case 2022 Vlcsna18

To SÁBADO, the German prosecutor in charge of the case, Hans Christian Wolters assumes that "everything points to the fact that there may have been a premeditated kidnapping aimed at selling Madeleine". A premeditated crime that went wrong and that due to the excessive media coverage led to several changes of plans and even to the murder of the English child, the prosecutor believes.

Unlike the German authorities, the PJ does not believe that Bruckner acted alone. And points to the hypothesis that he had Nicole Felhinger as the moral author who provided him with all the information to execute the crime perfectly. This suspicion that he did not act alone is related to a robbery he carried out six months after McCann's disappearance. That crime was carried out with Nicole Fellinger. The modus operandi for the burglary was very similar to the one used to break into the McCanns' house. The aim was to steal a suitcase containing 100,000 euros that only the babysitter knew where it was, while the couple were away from home. The babysitter, Nicole Fehlinger, was Bruckner's girlfriend.

SÁBADO Investigation also had access to a document which says Bruckner's phone places him at the time of the murder in front of the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared.

Following Madeleine's disappearance in May and the robbery of the Albufeira house in November, Bruckner became a wealthy man after leaving prison without any money. He showed up with a new camper van at a festival in Spain and even bought a property in Germany for 36,000 euros. It was on this land that German police found his dog buried with 7 USB sticks containing 13 videos of child pornography.

in Revista Sábado, May 6, 2022 https://www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/ ... e-confirma
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 06:42:09 PM

"SÁBADO Investigation also had access to a document which says Bruckner's phone places him at the time of the murder in front of the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared."

He was standing in front of the apartment, rather than within a 20 mile radius, at the time of the.. murder?

So she was killed in 5a then, & Brueckner didn't do it, he was stood outside.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 07, 2022, 06:47:48 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 06:42:09 PM
"SÁBADO Investigation also had access to a document which says Bruckner's phone places him at the time of the murder in front of the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared."

He was standing in front of the apartment, rather than within a 20 mile radius, at the time of the.. murder?

So she was killed in 5a then, & Brueckner didn't do it, he was stood outside.

As the phone call is timed as between 19.30 and 20.00, that suggests she was killed while McCann was still in the apartment.
Oh dear.

Perhaps his role was that of removal man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 07, 2022, 06:47:48 PM
As the phone call is timed as between 19.30 and 20.00, that suggests she was killed while McCann was still in the apartment.
Oh dear.

Oh yeah, I didn't notice that.

Maddie was murdered while her parents were still in the apartment!

Oh dear, indeed.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 07:02:51 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 07, 2022, 06:47:48 PM
As the phone call is timed as between 19.30 and 20.00, that suggests she was killed while McCann was still in the apartment.
Oh dear.

Perhaps his role was that of removal man.
Or perhaps something has been lost in translation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 07:06:30 PM
Hard to believe that there are still some willing to entertain the idea that Brückner was employed to remove the body on behalf of the parents .  It’s such an utterly and breathtakingly stupid idea it’s hard to know where to begin with it.  *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 07:06:30 PM
Hard to believe that there are still some willing to entertain the idea that Brückner was employed to remove the body on behalf of the parents .  It’s such an utterly and breathtakingly stupid idea it’s hard to know where to begin with it.  *%87

Well, there's evidence to support it, according to the article you posted.

Who are we to argue?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on May 07, 2022, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 05:41:14 PM
Busching was done for smuggling in three adult illegal immigrants, not child sex slaves.

Adults, children…it’s all the same. He would have had the knowledge of how these things work.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 07, 2022, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 06:32:38 PM
Lifted from STM where there are screenshots of various documents (I don’t know how to add them here), translation credited to Joana Morais

Thanks to J> Morais.

nvestigation SÁBADO. Alibi of sole suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance is not confirmed

By Sandra Felgueiras & Diogo Barreto

The Portuguese authorities do not believe that Bruckner acted alone. A robbery which occurred six months later a few kilometres from Praia da Luz shares several points in common with the disappearance of the child.

Christian Bruckner is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the British child who mysteriously disappeared on May 6, 2007, in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve. But the Portuguese authorities doubt he acted alone and his alibi has no strong foundation. The SÁBADO investigation was in Germany on the 15th anniversary of the disappearance of the English child.

SÁBADO Investigation has been given access to the alleged alibi Christian Bruckner provided in order to prove he was not responsible for Madeleine McCann's disappearance, but which does not clear him. The alibi is a German woman called Anna Lena Einhart who was arrested for possession of a prohibited weapon at Faro airport six days after Madeleine went missing.

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Bruckner's lawyer has been trying - for two years - to convince several journalists that Bruckner was with her at the time of her disappearance, but the criminal court file, to which we have had exclusive access, only shows that Bruckner acted as translator for Anna Lena during her judicial interrogation on May 9 2007.

Yet Bruckner guarantees that on the night of 3 May 2007, the night of the disappearance of the English child, he was having s-e-x in the camper van with a German woman near Faro. The SÁBADO investigation followed her trail, but never located her. We did find a file linking the two on 9 May, six days after the disappearance. She tried to board the plane with pepper spray at Faro airport on her way to Germany. The translator during the judicial interrogation was Christian Bruckner, as is well documented in the file that SÁBADO had access to, and he gave a German address.

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Jutta Rabe, an investigative journalist was never convinced by Bruckner's arguments. "I wrote to him and he wrote me long letters and he claims that he was a drug dealer at that time and I said: 'Then you must have witnesses, you can tell places where you were and where you were on those days, 2 May, 3 May, 4 May' and he said he was travelling between Spain and Portugal and I told him: 'Then give me names. Were you with a friend, give me names. Were you with any friends?' And he said yes. And I said I would check everything he told me, but he never gave me any details."

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To SÁBADO, the German prosecutor in charge of the case, Hans Christian Wolters assumes that "everything points to the fact that there may have been a premeditated kidnapping aimed at selling Madeleine". A premeditated crime that went wrong and that due to the excessive media coverage led to several changes of plans and even to the murder of the English child, the prosecutor believes.

Unlike the German authorities, the PJ does not believe that Bruckner acted alone. And points to the hypothesis that he had Nicole Felhinger as the moral author who provided him with all the information to execute the crime perfectly. This suspicion that he did not act alone is related to a robbery he carried out six months after McCann's disappearance. That crime was carried out with Nicole Fellinger. The modus operandi for the burglary was very similar to the one used to break into the McCanns' house. The aim was to steal a suitcase containing 100,000 euros that only the babysitter knew where it was, while the couple were away from home. The babysitter, Nicole Fehlinger, was Bruckner's girlfriend.

SÁBADO Investigation also had access to a document which says Bruckner's phone places him at the time of the murder in front of the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared.

Following Madeleine's disappearance in May and the robbery of the Albufeira house in November, Bruckner became a wealthy man after leaving prison without any money. He showed up with a new camper van at a festival in Spain and even bought a property in Germany for 36,000 euros. It was on this land that German police found his dog buried with 7 USB sticks containing 13 videos of child pornography.

in Revista Sábado, May 6, 2022 https://www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/ ... e-confirma

Oh dear. Still trying to peddle the phone story.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 09:37:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 07, 2022, 09:30:00 PM
Oh dear. Still trying to peddle the phone story.

...and implicate poor old Nicole Felhinger.

What a bunch of potentially libelous nonsense.

None of todays rags have yet quoted the Times article, funnily enough, running with Maddie possibly being stolen to order instead. Milking the Maddie/Brueckner cash cow for all they can.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 10:08:38 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 07, 2022, 08:27:27 PM
Adults, children…it’s all the same. He would have had the knowledge of how these things work.
I bow to you superior knowledge on the similarities between smuggling in a handful of illegal immigrants and the buying and selling of children for sexual exploitation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 07, 2022, 09:30:00 PM
Oh dear. Still trying to peddle the phone story.
Not peddling, merely reporting sight of a document pertaining to it.  Do you have a problem with that? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 10:41:34 PM
The article raises a good point wrt to ChristianBrückner’s apparent wealth after leaving prison, certainly in excess of 40,000 euros.  Are we to assume this was money earned through petty drug dealing?  I thought we were supposed to believe he was a small time crook supplementing his drug dealing by selling the odd bottle of diesel and pilfering passports from holiday apartments so where did this money crome from, enough to shell out for a new camper van and 36,000 euros for a hovel in Germany?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on May 07, 2022, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 10:08:38 PM
I bow to you superior knowledge on the similarities between smuggling in a handful of illegal immigrants and the buying and selling of children for sexual exploitation.

Doesn’t take superior knowledge, just common sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 11:10:42 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 10:41:34 PM
The article raises a good point wrt to ChristianBrückner’s apparent wealth after leaving prison, certainly in excess of 40,000 euros.  Are we to assume this was money earned through petty drug dealing?  I thought we were supposed to believe he was a small time crook supplementing his drug dealing by selling the odd bottle of diesel and pilfering passports from holiday apartments so where did this money crome from, enough to shell out for a new camper van and 36,000 euros for a hovel in Germany?

Weren't he & Fehlinger supposed to have stolen 100,000 Euros.

50,000 each, 14,000 for a second hand camper, 36,000 for an old abandoned box factory.

Unless you're thinking maybe he got paid in advance for the botched abduction to order, but then wouldn't he have been paid in Roubles?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 11:22:00 PM

50,000 Euros worth of weed would be roughly 9 kilos, maybe more, that's a lot of green, even I've never seen that much, & that estimate is total value, not the profit made from selling it on, so I think we can rule out weed dealing as being the source, unless Brueckner is related to Pablo Escobar & was dealing in white stuff & not green.

More likely him & Fehlinger robbed 100,000.

Quite why someone would leave that much lying around in a suitcase, unless the people they fleeced were actually dealers themselves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2022, 11:22:52 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 07, 2022, 11:00:22 PM
Doesn’t take superior knowledge, just common sense.
How so?  Surely it’s two very different business models, with different clients and demands.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 11:22:52 PM
How so?  Surely it’s two very different business models, with different clients and demands.

Need to ask Jeffrey Epstein, but the Clintons had him bumped off.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2022, 11:56:57 PM
He boasted about being able to stash 50 kilos in his van. That would be about 50 bin bags full.
And seriously, who keeps their life savings at home in a suitcase rather than the bank.
There's something off about that.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8534831/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-girlfriend-finally-unmasked.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 08:41:43 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 07, 2022, 10:24:50 PM
Not peddling, merely reporting sight of a document pertaining to it.  Do you have a problem with that?

I don't care about documents. There was neither the technology nor the information to pinpoint the location of that phone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 08:55:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 08:41:43 AM
I don't care about documents. There was neither the technology nor the information to pinpoint the location of that phone.

Are you saying that Brueckner wasn't in Luz?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 08:41:43 AM
I don't care about documents. There was neither the technology nor the information to pinpoint the location of that phone.
You have entirely missed my point.  The report was not "peddling" anything as you claimed, it was reporting what had purportedly been seen by the reporter, offering no opinion on the document's accuracy or not.  Now should a reporter who has seen such a document keep quiet about it or report its existence, in your view?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 09:21:56 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 08:55:22 AM
Are you saying that Brueckner wasn't in Luz?

No. I'm saying that the phone evidence doesn't place that phone or him at the time of the murder in front of the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 09:35:15 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 09:20:16 AM
You have entirely missed my point.  The report was not "peddling" anything as you claimed, it was reporting what had purportedly been seen by the reporter, offering no opinion on the document's accuracy or not.  Now should a reporter who has seen such a document keep quiet about it or report its existence, in your view?

Anyone with a brain knows that the 'document' was wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 08, 2022, 09:35:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 09:21:56 AM
No. I'm saying that the phone evidence doesn't place that phone or him at the time of the murder in front of the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared.

Does anyone have any idea when this murder allegedly took place ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 09:40:29 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 09:21:56 AM
No. I'm saying that the phone evidence doesn't place that phone or him at the time of the murder in front of the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared.

But Brueckner could well have been close by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 09:49:25 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 09:40:29 AM
But Brueckner could well have been close by.

Or he could well have been anywhere within a 20 mile radius of the phone mast.

Wolters isn't even sure that Brueckner was 'the abductor', he's only certain he murdered Maddie, apparently.

He's keeping the door open for another as yet unidentified abductor who sold Maddie to Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 10:17:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 09:35:15 AM
Anyone with a brain knows that the 'document' was wrong.
Again, you have completely sidestepped the point.  If such a document exists don't you want to know who wrote it and based on what evidence, even if the author was someone "without a brain"?  Do you think only people without brains would report on the document's existence?  What if it was evidence of a massive stitch up of CB, I expect you'd want to know all about it then!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 10:43:40 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 10:17:42 AM
Again, you have completely sidestepped the point.  If such a document exists don't you want to know who wrote it and based on what evidence, even if the author was someone "without a brain"?  Do you think only people without brains would report on the document's existence?  What if it was evidence of a massive stitch up of CB, I expect you'd want to know all about it then!

None of that occured to the 'journalist' though, did it. Perhaps because they're not interested in truth, just in bandwagons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 10:44:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 10:43:40 AM
None of that occured to the 'journalist' though, did it. Perhaps because they're not interested in truth, just in bandwagons.

Well, it is Maddie silly season.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 10:43:40 AM
None of that occured to the 'journalist' though, did it. Perhaps because they're not interested in truth, just in bandwagons.
The journalist made no value judgement either way and simply reported the facts as they were made aware of them, what exactly is your problem with that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 10:51:40 AM
The journalist made no value judgement either way and simply reported the facts as they were made aware of them, what exactly is your problem with that?

Choosing what and how to report involves making value judgements.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 11:13:06 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
Choosing what and how to report involves making value judgements.

Except when it's a Maddie story, then you can just print any old trash.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on May 08, 2022, 11:14:52 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 09:49:25 AM
Or he could well have been anywhere within a 20 mile radius of the phone mast.

Wolters isn't even sure that Brueckner was 'the abductor', he's only certain he murdered Maddie, apparently.

He's keeping the door open for another as yet unidentified abductor who sold Maddie to Brueckner.

Police protocols require that if Wolters had any conclusive proof that Madeleine McCann was dead he would have provided it to her parents long ago. That obviously never happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 11:21:05 AM
Quote from: John on May 08, 2022, 11:14:52 AM
Police protocols require that if Wolters had any conclusive proof that Madeleine McCann was dead he would have provided it to her parents long ago. That obviously never happened.

He hasn't asked them to identify the much speculated photo of Maddie either.

In the recent interview Wolters said he has never even spoken to the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 11:10:38 AM
Choosing what and how to report involves making value judgements.
Reporting that there is a document claiming that CB was outside the apartment is information, there is no value judgement about the accuracy or validity of the document.  I take it you would prefer it if its existence had been ignored.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 11:41:24 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 11:29:55 AM
Reporting that there is a document claiming that CB was outside the apartment is information, there is no value judgement about the accuracy or validity of the document.  I take it you would prefer it if its existence had been ignored.

Well, false information is still information, I suppose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on May 08, 2022, 11:42:43 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 11:21:05 AM
He hasn't asked them to identify the much speculated photo of Maddie either.

In the recent interview Wolters said he has never even spoken to the McCanns.

Which really tells us all we need to know about his claims.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: John on May 08, 2022, 11:42:43 AM
Which really tells us all we need to know about his claims.

We did try warning people, but they swallowed Wolters concrete evidence boast with very little hesitation, if any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 08, 2022, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 11:41:24 AM
Well, false information is still information, I suppose.

Just like evidence can be false and fabricated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 11:52:41 AM
Quote from: jassi on May 08, 2022, 11:47:26 AM
Just like evidence can be false and fabricated.

Yep, when Brueckner said he knew all about what happened to Maddie & when he boasted in an online paedo chat about destroying the evidence, maybe, just maybe, it was all bluff, bluster & fantasy.

But, with his criminal history, including the 2004 rape, Wolters had to take it all seriously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 12:09:29 PM
Quote from: John on May 08, 2022, 11:42:43 AM
Which really tells us all we need to know about his claims.
So, is it your opinion that he is lying to us?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 12:13:04 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 12:09:29 PM
So, is it your opinion that he is lying to us?

So, he's got concrete evidence Brueckner murdered Maddie, & has strengthened his case further still in the last two years, but there's no prospect of any charges in the foreseeable future?

Ok then.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on May 08, 2022, 12:20:06 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 12:09:29 PM
So, is it your opinion that he is lying to us?

He's playing a game and by the looks of it Brückner is winning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 12:23:04 PM
Quote from: John on May 08, 2022, 12:20:06 PM
He's playing a game and by the looks of it Brückner is winning.
You cannot be serious.
Here's a very sensible assessment from a member of the Websleuths website:

Quote
This is one of the most difficult cases to solve and bring the culprit to justice.

The appeal was for the murder of MM. there must be some kind of evidence (circumstantial) that makes the BKA, the PJ and the MET sure of that.

The timing of closing down OG, ie the missing person investigation, the timing of making CB an arguido in portugal, the timing of the supposed alibi that FF has been trying to pass on to journalists, which has been trashed on the outset, the timing of the sad statement of the parents of MM, all point to some kind of advancement in the case and evidence. Just because we are not privy of it does not mean it does not exist.

They have been working on 5 other cases, all related to sexual violence, that they can pin on CB. This is also not random. The appeal was also about his person and any crimes he might have committed on other people.

Patience is a virtue and this is what we need to have. The parents at least are kept informed. This is what counts.

Jmo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: John on May 08, 2022, 12:20:06 PM
He's playing a game and by the looks of it Brückner is winning.

He came out full power hoping to flush out Brueckner's mystery phone call accomplice.
Then he doubled down by claiming he had enough evidence to charge, but that didn't work either.

Maybe it's just that Brueckner & his accomplice are tough nuts to crack, that's possible, or maybe Brueckner had nothing at all to do with Madeleine's disappearance, that's possible also.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 08, 2022, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: John on May 08, 2022, 11:42:43 AM
Which really tells us all we need to know about his claims.

Do you really think Wolters is lying and not one member of the investigation has spoken out.  I don't think that is possible
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 08, 2022, 12:28:36 PM
Quote from: John on May 08, 2022, 12:20:06 PM
He's playing a game and by the looks of it Brückner is winning.

Wolters to me is a very shrewed operator.. We will see who's right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 12:32:07 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 12:23:04 PM
You cannot be serious.
Here's a very sensible assessment from a member of the Websleuths website:

"The parents at least are kept informed. This is what counts."

Not by Wolters, unless he's bluffing about that.

The appeal was for the murder of MM. there must be some kind of evidence (circumstantial) that makes the BKA, the PJ and the MET sure of that.

Busching's practically inadmissible second hand confession would do, along with Brueckner's claims he destroyed the evidence.

The MET are still treating it as missing persons, why, if Brueckner definitely murdered Maddie, shouldn't it be a murder investigation by now?

Maybe Wolters hasn't shared his concrete evidence with the MET, that's possible I suppose, if you're desperate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 08, 2022, 12:28:36 PM
Wolters to me is a very shrewed operator.. We will see who's right.

Not in the foreseeable future, old chap.

Brueckner is winning by default.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 12:59:46 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 08, 2022, 12:27:16 PM
Do you really think Wolters is lying and not one member of the investigation has spoken out.  I don't think that is possible
And perhaps John can explain why the Portuguese made CB an arguido on the strength of "strong indications of the practice of a crime" if HCW is simply lying about the evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 01:03:47 PM

We might as well stand by for Brueckner being free to wander around Europe again.

He could even turn up in Britain.  Won't that be fun.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 01:03:47 PM
We might as well stand by for Brueckner being free to wander around Europe again.

He could even turn up in Britain.  Won't that be fun.

He had parole denied & depending on the strength of evidence in the crimes he's actually going to be charged with, he still might yet spend a good few years inside.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 12:59:46 PM
And perhaps John can explain why the Portuguese made CB an arguido on the strength of "strong indications of the practice of a crime" if HCW is simply lying about the evidence.

Not being charged though is he, despite concrete evidence he's a murderer.

His alleged confession, his paedo chat & presence in Luz would be sufficient to make him arguido imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 01:20:23 PM

Queue the cries of 'we don't know what evidence Wolters has'

What he has doesn't carry sufficient weight to successfully prosecute.

Maybe Wolters just needs a bit more time to gather extra concrete evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 01:27:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
He had parole denied & depending on the strength of evidence in the crimes he's actually going to be charged with, he still might yet spend a good few years inside.

Where is the evidence for these other crimes?  I haven't seen any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 01:27:06 PM
Where is the evidence for these other crimes?  I haven't seen any.

I like your style  ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 08, 2022, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 01:27:06 PM
Where is the evidence for these other crimes?  I haven't seen any.

Nor has anyone else - as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 01:34:46 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 11:29:55 AM
Reporting that there is a document claiming that CB was outside the apartment is information, there is no value judgement about the accuracy or validity of the document.  I take it you would prefer it if its existence had been ignored.

Mentioning this document supports it's false claim because it contains false facts. Imo it's not worth the paper it's written on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 08, 2022, 01:31:34 PM
Nor has anyone else - as far as I'm aware.

Well there you go.  Brueckner will be out in a minute.  Don't forget to lock up the children and the grannies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 01:45:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 01:35:54 PM
Well there you go.  Brueckner will be out in a minute.  Don't forget to lock up the children and the grannies.

...and car, shed, doors & house windows. Don't leave a hundred grand lying around & maybe carry a rape alarm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 02:01:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 01:34:46 PM
Mentioning this document supports it's false claim because it contains false facts. Imo it's not worth the paper it's written on.
Even though you have no idea what's contained in the document.  And your logic is of course entirely flawed, but never mind. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 02:06:35 PM
As an investigative journalist I am handed a document which purports to show that CB was 100 miles away from PdL on the night of the disappearance.  Should I completely ignore it or should I mention it in an article I am writing about the case, whilst making no claim as to the veracity or otherwise of the contents?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 02:09:17 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 02:06:35 PM
As an investigative journalist I am handed a document which purports to show that CB was 100 miles away from PdL on the night of the disappearance.  Should I completely ignore it or should I mention it in an article I am writing about the case, whilst making no claim as to the veracity or otherwise of the contents?

Everyone else is sticking their oar in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 02:20:11 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 02:06:35 PM
As an investigative journalist I am handed a document which purports to show that CB was 100 miles away from PdL on the night of the disappearance.  Should I completely ignore it or should I mention it in an article I am writing about the case, whilst making no claim as to the veracity or otherwise of the contents?

We're not talking about rumours of 'traces' or 'fibres', we're talking about something WHICH CAN'T BE TRUE. Anyone familiar with the technological facts of the case knows this. Printing it without comment adds credence, and those printing it know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 02:20:11 PM
We're not talking about rumours of 'traces' or 'fibres', we're talking about something WHICH CAN'T BE TRUE. Anyone familiar with the technological facts of the case knows this. Printing it without comment adds credence, and those printing it know that.

How do we know that Brueckner wasn't a hundred miles away at the time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 04:03:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 08, 2022, 02:20:11 PM
We're not talking about rumours of 'traces' or 'fibres', we're talking about something WHICH CAN'T BE TRUE. Anyone familiar with the technological facts of the case knows this. Printing it without comment adds credence, and those printing it know that.
THERE’S NO NEED TO SHOUT.  Do you know precisely what is in this document or who produced it?  Perhaps it is nothing to do with technology and is an eyewitness account.  It isn’t true that CB has an alibi for the night of the 3rd May but I don’t recall seeing you getting on your high horse every time MWT peddles this myth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 04:06:54 PM
A document exists purporting to show that CB was next to Apartment 5a on the night Madeleine disappeared but according to G-Unit it is utterly wrong to report the existence of such a document.  Go figure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 08, 2022, 04:12:10 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 04:06:54 PM
A document exists purporting to show that CB was next to Apartment 5a on the night Madeleine disappeared but according to G-Unit it is utterly wrong to report the existence of such a document.  Go figure.

I can think of a few things Gunit shouldn't be saying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 04:24:42 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 04:03:33 PM
THERE’S NO NEED TO SHOUT.  Do you know precisely what is in this document or who produced it?  Perhaps it is nothing to do with technology and is an eyewitness account.  It isn’t true that CB has an alibi for the night of the 3rd May but I don’t recall seeing you getting on your high horse every time MWT peddles this myth.

An eye witness that only gave their evidence since Wolters began investigating Brueckner?

The defence barrister would enjoy crossing that witness.

'You say you saw the defendant standing outside the front of the apartment, why did it take you 15 years to report this?'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 04:51:19 PM
“Sandra Felgueiras doesn't need me defending her nor I am her mouth piece, nor do I have any ulterior motives when I call out an injustice when I see one, as was the case with the "fibres" fabrication that was wrongly attributed to Sandra, it's just my nature. I do not personally believe in her line of investigation. Even thought Brueckner is a sadistic sex predator who deserves to rot in jail, I do not believe that he is the person behind Madeleine's disappearance or alleged murder. Nor do I think that her investigation has presented enough, if any evidence, in as much a TV program can present evidence that would prove Brueckner's guilt. Nevertheless I value her work, not only in the past but still now, as a journalist, even though we might not meet eye to eye in a number of issues beyond this case. Why is she important to this case? She has access to material the English and other foreign journalists don't have, we might not like her style nor the content she presents, but she does go after and pursue the leads she has” - Joana Morais.

It’s a shame most sceptics are unable to be so generous and reasonable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on May 08, 2022, 05:38:24 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 04:51:19 PM
“Sandra Felgueiras doesn't need me defending her nor I am her mouth piece, nor do I have any ulterior motives when I call out an injustice when I see one, as was the case with the "fibres" fabrication that was wrongly attributed to Sandra, it's just my nature. I do not personally believe in her line of investigation. Even thought Brueckner is a sadistic sex predator who deserves to rot in jail, I do not believe that he is the person behind Madeleine's disappearance or alleged murder. Nor do I think that her investigation has presented enough, if any evidence, in as much a TV program can present evidence that would prove Brueckner's guilt. Nevertheless I value her work, not only in the past but still now, as a journalist, even though we might not meet eye to eye in a number of issues beyond this case. Why is she important to this case? She has access to material the English and other foreign journalists don't have, we might not like her style nor the content she presents, but she does go after and pursue the leads she has” - Joana Morais.

It’s a shame most sceptics are unable to be so generous and reasonable.

My problem with SF is she lacks the conviction a true journalist needs. It appears that she wets her finger, sticks it in the air and the way the wind is blowing is the stance she takes.

We all saw for ourselves the savaging she gave the parents many months after the case had been shelved and the files released., At that point she must have known that Amaral had lied to her but still interviewed the parents as if they were guilty. Now she appears appalled that she was hoodwinked ( she knew) and displays all the faux contrition of a still imbibing alcoholic at an AA meeting. The reason for this faux contrition….she knows with the parents being found innocent be default because of the remit of OG the only way to ring the last vestige of journalistic juice from the situation is with a neck breaking uturn. The problem she has though is some of us have memories longer than the proverbial goldfish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 08, 2022, 06:16:31 PM
I know next to nothing about her and have dismissed her as just another hack who has hitched herself to the Madeleine bandwagon.
Consequently I pay as  little attention to her as I do to the rest of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 06:28:35 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 08, 2022, 05:38:24 PM
My problem with SF is she lacks the conviction a true journalist needs. It appears that she wets her finger, sticks it in the air and the way the wind is blowing is the stance she takes.

We all saw for ourselves the savaging she gave the parents many months after the case had been shelved and the files released., At that point she must have known that Amaral had lied to her but still interviewed the parents as if they were guilty. Now she appears appalled that she was hoodwinked ( she knew) and displays all the faux contrition of a still imbibing alcoholic at an AA meeting. The reason for this faux contrition….she knows with the parents being found innocent be default because of the remit of OG the only way to ring the last vestige of journalistic juice from the situation is with a neck breaking uturn. The problem she has though is some of us have memories longer than the proverbial goldfish.
She did not “savage” the McCanns, she simply did what all interviewers do these days which is to play devils advocate and try to put them on the spot.  It wasn’t a very sympathetic way to treat the parents of a missing child, but it’s a way of getting a more interesting and revealing interview.  And - whether Amaral lied to her or not, doesn’t necessarily change whether the McCanns were guilty or not.  She may still have had suspicions at that point  which she has since realised were incorrect or unfounded.  I don’t understand your logic wrt to the last part of your post.  Why should she need to perform a u-turn in order to “ring (sic) the last vestige of journalistic juice from the situation “?  Are you saying that the Portuguese no longer have an appetite for news reports on the case which continue to raise doubts about the parents version of events?  I mean the McCanns being “found innocent” (your words not mine) has hardly stopped Amaral in his anti McCann endeavours has it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on May 08, 2022, 06:38:18 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 06:28:35 PM
She did not “savage” the McCanns, she simply did what all interviewers do these days which is to play devils advocate and try to put them on the spot.  It wasn’t a very sympathetic way to treat the parents of a missing child, but it’s a way of getting a more interesting and revealing interview.  And - whether Amaral lied to her or not, doesn’t necessarily change whether the McCanns were guilty or not.  She may still have had suspicions at that point  which she has since realised were incorrect or unfounded.  I don’t understand your logic wrt to the last part of your post.  Why should she need to perform a u-turn in order to “ring (sic) the last vestige of journalistic juice from the situation “?  Are you saying that the Portuguese no longer have an appetite for news reports on the case which continue to raise doubts about the parents version of events?  I mean the McCanns being “found innocent” (your words not mine) has hardly stopped Amaral in his anti McCann endeavours has it?

Why the ‘ring ( sic) ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 08, 2022, 06:38:18 PM
Why the ‘ring ( sic) ?
Because you presumably meant “wring”.


wring
/rɪŋ/
 Learn to pronounce
verb
verb: wring; 3rd person present: wrings; past tense: wrung; past participle: wrung; gerund or present participle: wringing
1.
squeeze and twist (something) to force liquid from it.
"she wrung the cloth out in the sink"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 08, 2022, 06:57:44 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 08, 2022, 06:38:18 PM
Why the ‘ring ( sic) ?

That's quite funny...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on May 08, 2022, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 08, 2022, 06:52:00 PM
Because you presumably meant “wring”.


wring
/rɪŋ/
 Learn to pronounce
verb
verb: wring; 3rd person present: wrings; past tense: wrung; past participle: wrung; gerund or present participle: wringing
1.
squeeze and twist (something) to force liquid from it.
"she wrung the cloth out in the sink"

Oh yes you’re right…well done. Every victory, however small, should always be celebrated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2022, 07:26:42 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on May 08, 2022, 07:11:56 PM
Oh yes you’re right…well done. Every victory, however small, should always be celebrated.
You’re quite wright :-)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 08, 2022, 08:56:36 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 09:49:25 AM
Or he could well have been anywhere within a 20 mile radius of the phone mast.

Wolters isn't even sure that Brueckner was 'the abductor', he's only certain he murdered Maddie, apparently.

He's keeping the door open for another as yet unidentified abductor who sold Maddie to Brueckner.

20 mile radius is totally wrong. The ...683 phone (I am not saying CB) was no more than 2.5 km from 5A. There were other BTS stations that could pickup the phone if it was more than 2.5 km from 5A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 08, 2022, 08:56:36 PM
20 mile radius is totally wrong. The ...683 phone (I am not saying CB) was no more than 2.5 km from 5A. There were other BTS stations that could pickup the phone if it was more than 2.5 km from 5A.

Thanks Heri, I was only going by what had previously been reported with regards to the radius.

So a 1.5 mile radius, still not quite him standing right outside the window of 5a though, or maybe he was?!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on May 09, 2022, 08:34:25 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2022, 09:05:47 PM
Thanks Heri, I was only going by what had previously been reported with regards to the radius.

So a 1.5 mile radius, still not quite him standing right outside the window of 5a though, or maybe he was?!
7sq km. That's just one parameter required. If the next mast is equivalent, technically he could be up to 3k away, but located within a total area of 14sq km.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2022, 08:45:00 AM
Quote from: The General on May 09, 2022, 08:34:25 AM
7sq km. That's just one parameter required. If the next mast is equivalent, technically he could be up to 3k away, but located within a total area of 14sq km.

Thanks, I'm not great on technical stuff & my maths is utterly appalling.

But, I'm not too bad a spotting when I'm being sold London Bridge, I can usually pick up on that quite well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 09, 2022, 09:22:10 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2022, 08:45:00 AM
Thanks, I'm not great on technical stuff & my maths is utterly appalling.

But, I'm not too bad a spotting when I'm being sold London Bridge, I can usually pick up on that quite well.

In other words, the person (CB or another one) who had the ...680 phone at 20:02 could be in 5A (walking) between 21:00 and 22:00. But it is not possible, base only on communications data, to say if he/she was in 5A or not. We need another witness (Jane Tanner description is not good).

Sorry, in another post I put ...683 phone, but I was talking about ...680 phone.

The ...683 phone was outside PdL zone, but it may be not so far away, even 6 or 7 km ... 

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2022, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 09, 2022, 09:22:10 AM
In other words, the person (CB or another one) who had the ...680 phone at 20:02 could be in 5A (walking) between 21:00 and 22:00. But it is not possible, base only on communications data, to say if he/she was in 5A or not. We need another witness (Jane Tanner description is not good).

Sorry, in another post I put ...683 phone, but I was talking about ...680 phone.

The ...683 phone was outside PdL zone, but it may be not so far away, even 6 or 7 km ...

Thanks Heri, yes, not much reasonable inference can really be drawn from the phone data alone, other than that someone, somewhere, recieved a half hour phone call. Wolters (or someone in the BKA) conceded as much, according to Mark Williams Thomas, telling him the phone data is irrelevant to the case against Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 09, 2022, 10:14:22 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2022, 09:57:32 AM
Thanks Heri, yes, not much reasonable inference can really be drawn from the phone data alone, other than that someone, somewhere, recieved a half hour phone call. Wolters (or someone in the BKA) conceded as much, according to Mark Williams Thomas, telling him the phone data is irrelevant to the case against Brueckner.

The Germans linked that phone number to CB and appealed for information about the call recieved by it.  Was that because they thought it might be relevant or were they fishing? Either way it didn't add anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 09, 2022, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 09, 2022, 10:14:22 AM
The Germans linked that phone number to CB and appealed for information about the call recieved by it.  Was that because they thought it might be relevant or were they fishing? Either way it didn't add anything.
How do you know?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 09, 2022, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 09, 2022, 10:53:32 AM
How do you know?

"Thanks Heri, yes, not much reasonable inference can really be drawn from the phone data alone, other than that someone, somewhere, recieved a half hour phone call. Wolters (or someone in the BKA) conceded as much, according to Mark Williams Thomas, telling him the phone data is irrelevant to the case against Brueckner."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg683170#msg683170
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 09, 2022, 11:17:20 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 09, 2022, 11:10:58 AM
"Thanks Heri, yes, not much reasonable inference can really be drawn from the phone data alone, other than that someone, somewhere, recieved a half hour phone call. Wolters (or someone in the BKA) conceded as much, according to Mark Williams Thomas, telling him the phone data is irrelevant to the case against Brueckner."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg683170#msg683170
Oh, so a troll told you?  Fair enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2022, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 09, 2022, 11:17:20 AM
Oh, so a troll told you?  Fair enough.

The troll got his information from MWT.

Maybe the BKA lied to him, or him to us.

That's possible I suppose, if you're desperate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 09, 2022, 01:47:13 PM
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/ (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/)

WHEN AND WHERE WAS MADELEINE MCCANN KILLED?

We know the hour Madeleine McCann was abducted: May 3, 2007, between 21:00 and 22:00 local time.

The German police, BKA, and the German prosecutor, H.Christian Wolters, seem to set aside, for now, the abduction stage. Maybe for lack of evidence against Christian B.

Now they are centered in the killing stage. Wolters said they have evidence that Christian B. killed her. Was the VW Westfalia the crime scene?

When and where was she killed?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 09, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 09, 2022, 01:47:13 PM
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/ (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/)

WHEN AND WHERE WAS MADELEINE MCCANN KILLED?

We know the hour Madeleine McCann was abducted: May 3, 2007, between 21:00 and 22:00 local time.

The German police, BKA, and the German prosecutor, H.Christian Wolters, seem to set aside, for now, the abduction stage. Maybe for lack of evidence against Christian B.

Now they are centered in the killing stage. Wolters said they have evidence that Christian B. killed her. Was the VW Westfalia the crime scene?

When and where was she killed?

Media speculation suggests that the PJ are of the opinion that the perpetrator may have had an accomplice.  I think that may be a valid suggestion given even the little we know of the suspect and his friends.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2022, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 09, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
Media speculation suggests that the PJ are of the opinion that the perpetrator may have had an accomplice.  I think that may be a valid suggestion given even the little we know of the suspect and his friends.

I wouldn't put too much faith in media speculation if I were you.

Did you miss the nonsense they spread about fibres in Brueckner's van?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 09, 2022, 02:58:20 PM

I continue to hope that there was an accomplice and that Madeleine was stolen for financial gain for a family.  Call me daft if you like.

However, if Brueckner murdered Madeleine then that is all that Walters has to prove.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 09, 2022, 03:16:18 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 09, 2022, 02:58:20 PM
I continue to hope that there was an accomplice and that Madeleine was stolen for financial gain for a family.  Call me daft if you like.

However, if Brueckner murdered Madeleine then that is all that Walters has to prove.

Of course if Wolters can't prove it, we still won't know whether Btueckner did or didn't, unless Wolters' evidence is so rubbish that he's laughed out  of court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 09, 2022, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 09, 2022, 03:16:18 PM
Of course if Wolters can't prove it, we still won't know whether Btueckner did or didn't, unless Wolters' evidence is so rubbish that he's laughed out  of court.

Wolters won't take it to Court unless he has a good chance of proving it.

Does it matter any more?

This was never my child.  Madeleine is either dead or she isn't.  I have only really cared about the hypocrisy of accusing The McCanns while defending a Rapist and a Paedophile.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 09, 2022, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 09, 2022, 03:16:18 PM
Of course if Wolters can't prove it, we still won't know whether Btueckner did or didn't, unless Wolters' evidence is so rubbish that he's laughed out  of court.

If the evidence is "rubbish" the case won't get as far as a court.  But given the experience and expertise of the BKA and the German prosecutors I don't think anyone will be laughing; particularly not anyone against whom they will lay charges.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 09, 2022, 03:31:02 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 09, 2022, 01:47:13 PM
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/ (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/)

WHEN AND WHERE WAS MADELEINE MCCANN KILLED?

We know the hour Madeleine McCann was abducted: May 3, 2007, between 21:00 and 22:00 local time.

The German police, BKA, and the German prosecutor, H.Christian Wolters, seem to set aside, for now, the abduction stage. Maybe for lack of evidence against Christian B.

Now they are centered in the killing stage. Wolters said they have evidence that Christian B. killed her. Was the VW Westfalia the crime scene?

When and where was she killed?

Around 12 months ago Wolters appealed for any information  regarding the interior of any property CB had had access to.
This supports the idea that Wolters has a photograph of Maddie and wants to find a connection between CB and the room the photo/video was taken in..... And unfortunately probably killed in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 09, 2022, 03:32:31 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 09, 2022, 01:47:13 PM
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/ (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/)

WHEN AND WHERE WAS MADELEINE MCCANN KILLED?

We know the hour Madeleine McCann was abducted: May 3, 2007, between 21:00 and 22:00 local time.

The German police, BKA, and the German prosecutor, H.Christian Wolters, seem to set aside, for now, the abduction stage. Maybe for lack of evidence against Christian B.

Now they are centered in the killing stage. Wolters said they have evidence that Christian B. killed her. Was the VW Westfalia the crime scene?

When and where was she killed?

She wasn't killed Heri.   She has been well looked after, even if constrained in many ways.

She is still alive and pregnant (not raped).

It's all to do with her very special bloodline and the equally special bloodline of a man who wants his special bloodline to carry on in a pure way.


All IMO, but many pointers which I am unable to share.


A mightly successful and cunning plan of action and disinformation, a ploy designed to turn a situation to his own advantage, has been used:   And everyone has fallen for it.

Except Scotland Yard.

All in my opinion after years of studying the case in minute detail.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 10, 2022, 03:51:36 AM

If only it were possible to search the route that Brueckner took to Germany from The Algarve when he so hurriedly left Portugal after the disappearance of Madeleine.

If Madeleine is dead then somewhere on that route is where he buried her.  Probably in France.  But the route is too long for a search to be feasible.

The most important point is that he left Portugal very soon after.  Why did he do that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 10, 2022, 05:01:35 AM
Soooo happy to hear that Madeleine is expecting and am looking forward to a Baby Shower invite from Big Daddy dropping though my letter box sometime soon!  Wonder if the McCanns know yet... and if so, whether they've dissed it as the wishful musings of yet another internet crank?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 05:37:44 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 10, 2022, 03:51:36 AM
If only it were possible to search the route that Brueckner took to Germany from The Algarve when he so hurriedly left Portugal after the disappearance of Madeleine.

If Madeleine is dead then somewhere on that route is where he buried her.  Probably in France.  But the route is too long for a search to be feasible.

The most important point is that he left Portugal very soon after.  Why did he do that?

He was still in and around either Luz or Carvoeiro as late as the 10th, the girl he was banging is willing to testify to this, if needed, but it won't be needed any time soon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 08:17:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 09, 2022, 11:10:58 AM
"Thanks Heri, yes, not much reasonable inference can really be drawn from the phone data alone, other than that someone, somewhere, recieved a half hour phone call. Wolters (or someone in the BKA) conceded as much, according to Mark Williams Thomas, telling him the phone data is irrelevant to the case against Brueckner."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg683170#msg683170

"I have spoken in depth to the German prosecutors and Brueckner's solicitor as well as corresponding with the suspect himself."
..........

"My findings have been presented to the German authorities who say they are not bothered by the phone mast evidence"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10776215/Christian-Brueckner-monster-Im-sure-didnt-says-Madeleine-McCann-investigator.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 08:30:03 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 10, 2022, 03:51:36 AM
If only it were possible to search the route that Brueckner took to Germany from The Algarve when he so hurriedly left Portugal after the disappearance of Madeleine.

If Madeleine is dead then somewhere on that route is where he buried her.  Probably in France.  But the route is too long for a search to be feasible.

The most important point is that he left Portugal very soon after.  Why did he do that?

He seems to have left not only hurriedly but as a man with a considerable amount of money behind him which enabled him to purchase properties in his native land.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 08:39:10 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 08:30:03 AM
He seems to have left not only hurriedly but as a man with a considerable amount of money behind him which enabled him to purchase properties in his native land.

Can you really call leaving it at least a week hurriedly?

Doesn't sound like someone who just committed a murder & was in desperate panic to get out of town.

He stuck around in his camper nobbing a 17 year old.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 09:02:19 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 08:39:10 AM
Can you really call leaving it at least a week hurriedly?

Doesn't sound like someone who just committed a murder & was in desperate panic to get out of town.

He stuck around in his camper nobbing a 17 year old.

I'm waiting for the evidence to be presented in a German court.

You can rely on a reality television programme fronted by an obscure presenter if you wish.  Or maybe you prefer to wait for Brueckner to publish his book?  Either way ~ I think the best bet might be sworn testimony and plenty of it, then waiting to see what the judges rule.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 09:03:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 09:02:19 AM
I'm waiting for the evidence to be presented in a German court.

You can rely on a reality television programme fronted by an obscure presenter if you wish.  Or maybe you prefer to wait for Brueckner to publish his book?  Either way ~ I think the best bet might be sworn testimony and plenty of it, then waiting to see what the judges rule.

You'll be waiting a long time, dearie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 10, 2022, 09:11:26 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 08:30:03 AM
He seems to have left not only hurriedly but as a man with a considerable amount of money behind him which enabled him to purchase properties in his native land.

According to some, he moved as far a Foral, leaving in 2008 at the earliest.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 09:03:19 AM
You'll be waiting a long time, dearie.

You are probably correct on that one.

The Germans have said they hope to try him for various crimes of a sexual nature which he allegedly committed in Portugal.

They don't expect to proceed with Madeleine's case until that is done and dusted.  So could be some time.

In the interim the actions of the Germans ensure a very dangerous sexual deviant and predator has been removed from being able to abuse more victims.
That can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 09:19:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 10, 2022, 09:11:26 AM
According to some, he moved as far a Foral, leaving in 2008 at the earliest.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/

Indeed.  Very interesting that the Judicial Police have made him an official suspect and think he may well have had an accomplice in his life of crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 09:13:41 AM
You are probably correct on that one.

The Germans have said they hope to try him for various crimes of a sexual nature which he allegedly committed in Portugal.

They don't expect to proceed with Madeleine's case until that is done and dusted.  So could be some time.

In the interim the actions of the Germans ensure a very dangerous sexual deviant and predator has been removed from being able to abuse more victims.
That can only be a good thing.

What part of no charges in sight don't you get?

Wolters didn't say anything about expecting to proceed with prosecution after any other cases are finished, this is nothing but wishful thinking on your part.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 09:30:30 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 09:19:22 AM
Indeed.  Very interesting that the Judicial Police have made him an official suspect and think he may well have had an accomplice in his life of crime.

More wishful thinking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 09:35:28 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 09:30:30 AM
More wishful thinking.

I have no opinion.  I have commented on the opinion of the police who made Brueckner an arguido on the presumption they are acting on the evidence they hold.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 09:37:44 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 09:35:28 AM
I have no opinion.  I have commented on the opinion of the police who made Brueckner an arguido on the presumption they are acting on the evidence they hold.

Let's hope they find Brueckner's mystery abductor accomplice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 10, 2022, 09:11:26 AM
According to some, he moved as far a Foral, leaving in 2008 at the earliest.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/

Really in a rush to get out of dodge, wasn't he.

Hurriedly indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 10, 2022, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 10, 2022, 09:11:26 AM
According to some, he moved as far a Foral, leaving in 2008 at the earliest.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/
So that's like 50 minutes away from PdL.  They equivalent of someone committing a crime in Sheffield and moving to Leeds to escape the heat.  Makes sense I guess. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 10, 2022, 09:52:40 AM
So that's like 50 minutes away from PdL.  They equivalent of someone committing a crime in Sheffield and moving to Leeds to escape the heat.  Makes sense I guess.

But he was still near Luz on at least the 10th, banging some chick in his van, despite having murdered Maddie the week prior.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 10, 2022, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 10, 2022, 09:19:22 AM
Indeed.  Very interesting that the Judicial Police have made him an official suspect and think he may well have had an accomplice in his life of crime.

Do you have any evidence that he departed Portugal 'hurriedly' after Madeleine's disappearance, or were you just saying it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 10:25:29 AM
What are the facts that we know about CB after May 3, 2007, 22:00?

For example: CB was in Faro the night of May 9-10, 2007, with a girl.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 10, 2022, 10:49:04 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 10:25:29 AM
What are the facts that we know about CB after May 3, 2007, 22:00?

For example: CB was in Faro the night of May 9-10, 2007, with a girl.

According to Jon Clarke he was based in and worked in Foral at the restaurant and other places.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 10, 2022, 10:49:04 AM
According to Jon Clarke he was based in and worked in Foral at the restaurant and other places.

Did JC indicate dates?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 10:25:29 AM
What are the facts that we know about CB after May 3, 2007, 22:00?

For example: CB was in Faro the night of May 9-10, 2007, with a girl.

I can only give you Mark Williams Thomas' findings from this article I'm afraid......



"One of his prime sites, he said, was Barranco Beach, 20km (12 miles) from Praia da Luz. That is corroborated by a photo of his van by the cliffs there.

.............

"During the week when Madeleine went missing, he was in a brief relationship with a 17-year-old German on holiday with her parents. Each night, she would leave their lodgings and spend several hours with Brueckner in his van.

Her family was staying in Carvoeiro, about 44km (27 miles) from Praia da Luz – about 40 minutes by road. Each evening he would leave the beach, drive into the town, park and leave at 10am.

Flight records show this family was in the Algarve that week. And that on May 10 the girl came to the notice of police as she was illegally carrying a pepper spray.

I have tracked down this woman, now 32, to a small town in Germany. She is very reluctant to take part in the inquiry, though if she is formally called by the police she will have to give evidence at trial.

.....

although she cannot say exactly what they were doing on May 3, she is sure his behaviour showed no changes or signs of stress that week.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10776215/Christian-Brueckner-monster-Im-sure-didnt-says-Madeleine-McCann-investigator.html


I can quite see why she would be very reluctant to get involved with the case, once she found out she had been sleeping with a rapist & paedophile.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 10, 2022, 12:06:37 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 11:08:18 AM
Did JC indicate dates?

He was told by a retired German couple that CB was in the village regularly in 2007 and 2008. (page 162 of his book, Kindle ed)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 01:51:00 PM
For those interested in BTS antennas in PdL:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/madeleine-mccann-antennas-2.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/madeleine-mccann-antennas-2.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 10, 2022, 01:59:37 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 01:51:00 PM
For those interested in BTS antennas in PdL:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/madeleine-mccann-antennas-2.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/madeleine-mccann-antennas-2.html)
So despite the best efforts of those trying to convince us the phone could have been used anywhere within a vast area of hundreds of square miles, it's clear from your picture that the phone was likely used within no more than a five minute drive of the Ocean Club. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 10, 2022, 01:59:37 PM
So despite the best efforts of those trying to convince us the phone could have been used anywhere within a vast area of hundreds of square miles, it's clear from your picture that the phone was likely used within no more than a five minute drive of the Ocean Club.

Yes. What I found strange is to say that the phone data situated CB in front of 5A. There were no security cameras there, so maybe a witness?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 10, 2022, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 02:02:26 PM
Yes. What I found strange is to say that the phone data situated CB in front of 5A. There were no security cameras there, so maybe a witness?
yes, it is strange.  I think it's likely HCW has exaggerated (either knowingly or through imprecise use of English) when he said next to the apartment.  Perhaps he meant "in close proximity" rather than next to?  Or, as you say, maybe there is some other element which confirms the location of the phone that we are not privy to (though I can't think what it might be that would stack up under close examination). 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 10, 2022, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 10, 2022, 05:01:35 AM
Soooo happy to hear that Madeleine is expecting and am looking forward to a Baby Shower invite from Big Daddy dropping though my letter box sometime soon!  Wonder if the McCanns know yet... and if so, whether they've dissed it as the wishful musings of yet another internet crank?

I bet you are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 10, 2022, 06:10:07 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 01:51:00 PM
For those interested in BTS antennas in PdL:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/madeleine-mccann-antennas-2.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/madeleine-mccann-antennas-2.html)

Do you know which were named  "Praia da Luz Centre"  and "Praia da Luz"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 10, 2022, 06:19:01 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 01:51:00 PM
For those interested in BTS antennas in PdL:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/madeleine-mccann-antennas-2.html (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2022/05/madeleine-mccann-antennas-2.html)
Don't know where the additional Vodafone BTS is within that triangle, but isn't the one vou've identified with a small yellow square (southernmost) the same one (b) that was featured in the German documentary when Jutta Rabe interviewed a Scottish PdL resident and former Vodafone employee (in 2007), who said that mast would reach a maximum of 6 kilometres?  Didn't Wolters also mention that the call connected to the Ocean Club mast (which could be this one even though it isn't within the Ocean Club grounds?).

Square mast tower (b) at the centre of this Google aerial view...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0859191,-8.7307189,65a,35y,39.57t/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0859191,-8.7307189,65a,35y,39.57t/data=!3m1!1e3)

More views of the same mast if get the itch to download, although you have to download each one separately...

PM = Phone Mast(s).
BS = Baptista Supermarket.
C = Luz Church.

https://app.mediafire.com/pjysz58gl2wag (https://app.mediafire.com/pjysz58gl2wag)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 10, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 10, 2022, 04:13:45 PM
I bet you are.
Can't hear... got me plugs in!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 10, 2022, 06:10:07 PM
Do you know which were named  "Praia da Luz Centre"  and "Praia da Luz"?

Good question. Yesterday I thought "Praia da Luz Centre" was antenna (a), and "Praia da Luz" the Mata Porcas antenna (h). But today I found that Mata Porcas antenna did not exist in 2007 ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 06:47:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 10, 2022, 06:19:01 PM
Don't know where the additional Vodafone BTS is within that triangle, but isn't the one vou've identified with a small yellow square (southernmost) the same one (b) that was featured in the German documentary when Jutta Rabe interviewed a Scottish PdL resident and former Vodafone employee (in 2007), who said that mast would reach a maximum of 6 kilometres?  Didn't Wolters also mention that the call connected to the Ocean Club mast (which could be this one even though it isn't within the Ocean Club grounds?).

Square mast tower (b) at the centre of this Google aerial view...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0859191,-8.7307189,65a,35y,39.57t/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0859191,-8.7307189,65a,35y,39.57t/data=!3m1!1e3)

More views of the same mast if get the itch to download, although you have to download each one separately...

PM = Phone Mast(s).
BS = Baptista Supermarket.
C = Luz Church.

https://app.mediafire.com/pjysz58gl2wag (https://app.mediafire.com/pjysz58gl2wag)

" ... a small yellow square (southernmost) ... " Yes.

I was there in 2016, a person from the building let me take some pictures of it ... In reality 4 masts (I think two for Vodafone, two for TMN) ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 10, 2022, 06:55:13 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 06:47:59 PM
" ... a small yellow square (southernmost) ... " Yes.

I was there in 2016, a person from the building let me take some pictures of it ... In reality 4 masts (I think two for Vodafone, two for TMN) ...
Ah ok, but you're still looking for yet another Vodafone mast within the triangle you've drawn, I take it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 10, 2022, 06:55:13 PM
Ah ok, but you're still looking for yet another Vodafone mast within the triangle you've drawn, I take it?

Yes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 10, 2022, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 06:58:43 PM
Yes.
If you've no coordinates, then the only way to find out is by a painstaking Google 3D aerial search... unless you're ahead of the game and have already done one!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 07:29:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 10, 2022, 07:07:12 PM
If you've no coordinates, then the only way to find out is by a painstaking Google 3D aerial search... unless you're ahead of the game and have already done one!

... and walking PdL streets and roads ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 10, 2022, 07:46:19 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 07:29:50 PM
... and walking PdL streets and roads ...
Time to book a quick holiday before the teeming hordes descend.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 14, 2022, 10:59:50 PM
Summer 2007.
Beach west of PdL.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 15, 2022, 12:12:01 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 14, 2022, 10:59:50 PM
Summer 2007.
Beach west of PdL.
what are we looking at?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 15, 2022, 09:27:53 AM
More revealing revelations... or tittle-tattle, depending on which side of the fence you've landed...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18570612/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-face-surgery/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18570612/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-face-surgery/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 15, 2022, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: Myster on May 15, 2022, 09:27:53 AM
More revealing revelations... or tittle-tattle, depending on which side of the fence you've landed...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18570612/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-face-surgery/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18570612/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-face-surgery/)
Most likely done out of vanity and coming into a large sum of money to enable him to fritter it away on his appearance. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 15, 2022, 10:39:37 AM
Quote from: Myster on May 15, 2022, 09:27:53 AM
More revealing revelations... or tittle-tattle, depending on which side of the fence you've landed...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18570612/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-face-surgery/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18570612/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-face-surgery/)

Fascinating.
I particularly like the way it's described as a 'secret visit' to the dental clinic    8)-)))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 15, 2022, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 15, 2022, 09:27:53 AM
More revealing revelations... or tittle-tattle, depending on which side of the fence you've landed...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18570612/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-face-surgery/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18570612/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-face-surgery/)

"The German police have this evidence and prosecutors are now confident he will be charged over the Salema case — and Madeleine’s."

"German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told us last week he has “everything he needs” to prosecute B. He was referring to the case of the German girl but also to Madeleine."


Wolters has gone from no charges in sight to charges imminent, according to Jon Clarke.

I wonder what new evidence Wolters has found within the last two weeks?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 15, 2022, 04:16:48 PM
I wonder if Brueckner had his lower jawbone cut and extended to correct the overbite, similar to this procedure?...

https://youtu.be/b0yjtsKgUDo?t=65 (https://youtu.be/b0yjtsKgUDo?t=65)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10817713/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-face-changing-op-months-went-missing.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10817713/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-face-changing-op-months-went-missing.html)

Overbite visible in his mugshots from 1999...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 15, 2022, 05:46:01 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 15, 2022, 04:16:48 PM
I wonder if Brueckner had his lower jawbone cut and extended to correct the overbite, similar to this procedure?...

https://youtu.be/b0yjtsKgUDo?t=65 (https://youtu.be/b0yjtsKgUDo?t=65)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10817713/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-face-changing-op-months-went-missing.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10817713/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-face-changing-op-months-went-missing.html)

Overbite visible in his mugshots from 1999...

Looks like a sliding osteotomy
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 15, 2022, 06:09:26 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 15, 2022, 05:46:01 PM
Looks like a sliding osteotomy

That would make an appreciable difference to his features.  Strange none of his friends or acquaintances mentioned it.  Unless they did to the police and it slotted into place in the jigsaw of evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 15, 2022, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 14, 2022, 10:59:50 PM
Summer 2007.
Beach west of PdL.
Which vehicle is that and how relevant, Heriberto?   Have you got a Google map link to its exact position on the western PdL beach?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 15, 2022, 06:19:35 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 15, 2022, 05:46:01 PM
Looks like a sliding osteotomy
... and painful until new bone has filled the gap and wounds healed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 15, 2022, 09:12:23 PM

Perhaps Brueckner saw that photofit that the rest of us saw and decided to get his buck teeth seen to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on May 16, 2022, 12:00:46 AM
Quote from: Heriberto Janosch on May 10, 2022, 02:02:26 PM
Yes. What I found strange is to say that the phone data situated CB in front of 5A. There were no security cameras there, so maybe a witness?

I thought this was logging into Ocean Club WIFI. Wasn't this mentioned before? That his phone remembered the WIFI password of OC and was logged in without him noticing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 16, 2022, 08:04:44 AM
Heri must have booked a trip already and is now on his walkies in PdL... but Wolters didn't say that the call connected to WIFI, just to the Ocean Club mast, whichever that one is.  The southernmost mast array marked on Heri's map perhaps, even though it isn't in Ocean Club grounds.

https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1892 (https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=1892)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 16, 2022, 08:27:38 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on May 16, 2022, 12:00:46 AM
I thought this was logging into Ocean Club WIFI. Wasn't this mentioned before? That his phone remembered the WIFI password of OC and was logged in without him noticing?

Never heard this before.. What's the supporting evidence for it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 16, 2022, 09:33:19 AM
Quote from: VIXTE on May 16, 2022, 12:00:46 AM
I thought this was logging into Ocean Club WIFI. Wasn't this mentioned before? That his phone remembered the WIFI password of OC and was logged in without him noticing?

Assuming, of course, that the Ocean Club offered WiFi to it's guests in 2007, that Brueckner's burner phone was WiFi enabled, and that it's possible to check, years later, that it did connect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 16, 2022, 10:00:43 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 16, 2022, 09:33:19 AM
Assuming, of course, that the Ocean Club offered WiFi to it's guests in 2007, that Brueckner's burner phone was WiFi enabled, and that it's possible to check, years later, that it did connect.

There was an internet cafe in Luz in 2007.  If there was a wi-fi password required, might it not have been theirs?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 16, 2022, 10:52:26 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 16, 2022, 10:00:43 AM
There was an internet cafe in Luz in 2007.  If there was a wi-fi password required, might it not have been theirs?

There were two, both in Rua Direita. They appear to have offered internet access via fixed provided computer terminals or via a plugged-in laptop. Enabling access by any passing phone would appear to have been a bad decision from a business viewpoint.

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm#p7p1900
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 16, 2022, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 16, 2022, 10:52:26 AM
There were two, both in Rua Direita. They appear to have offered internet access via fixed provided computer terminals or via a plugged-in laptop. Enabling access by any passing phone would appear to have been a bad decision from a business viewpoint.

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm#p7p1900

There was wi-fi available in 2007.
Brueckner was a resident of Praia da Luz in 2007 and had been for a number of years ~ can you think of any good reason why he may not have had access to a wi-fi a password.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 16, 2022, 11:21:59 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 16, 2022, 11:15:38 AM
There was wi-fi available in 2007.
Brueckner was a resident of Praia da Luz in 2007 and had been for a number of years ~ can you think of any good reason why he may not have had access to a wi-fi a password.

None at all, but not necessarily on a phone.
My recollection of internet cafes at that time were of people using laptops.
Even if he had a password, what would that prove ? I doubt any records exist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 16, 2022, 11:47:33 AM
Quote from: jassi on May 16, 2022, 11:21:59 AM
None at all, but not necessarily on a phone.
My recollection of internet cafes at that time were of people using laptops.
Even if he had a password, what would that prove ? I doubt any records exist.

I think trained police officers would have to be more specific and factual than those who think up these vague ideas.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 16, 2022, 11:51:54 AM
Are we actually getting anywhere?  No credible Alibi for Brueckner so far.  No arrest of Brueckner for anything.  And No ECHR Ruling.

I could be dead before anything happens.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 16, 2022, 11:54:47 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 16, 2022, 11:47:33 AM
I think trained police officers would have to be more specific and factual than those who think up these vague ideas.

Like Amaral do you mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 16, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: jassi on May 16, 2022, 11:21:59 AM
None at all, but not necessarily on a phone.
My recollection of internet cafes at that time were of people using laptops.
Even if he had a password, what would that prove ? I doubt any records exist.

Thank you for your reply.

Phones carry lots of data some of which gets downloaded onto personal storage devices.  We know that presently analysis is being carried out on some of Brueckner's personal devices.

I don't think Wolters made any reference to wi-fi; I think he referred only to a mast at the Ocean Club being activated by Brueckner's phone.  I'm sure that by now they will have all the information required regarding that.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 16, 2022, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 16, 2022, 11:47:33 AM
I think trained police officers would have to be more specific and factual than those who think up these vague ideas.
And in that instant, the McCann’s world fell apart.

What happened next remains one of the most extraordinary episodes in modern history – as well as in all European law enforcement.

Desperate for any kind of lead that might help find their daughter, the McCanns actively sought out the cooperation of the media, laying their lives bare in countless newspaper and television interviews; their rationale being that if only enough people could hear their story, if only enough people could see Madeleine’s face, then surely someone would come forward with information about what had happened to her.

Unfortunately, their efforts were hampered by a police investigation that was flawed from the start. Despite the huge public interest and the attention of the world being focused on Praia da Luz, the local police who initially conducted the ground search had not even been properly trained in missing persons work.

“In the critical first 48 hours there were a lot of blunders and a lot of mistakes,” says investigative journalist Kai Feldhaus, who worked on the case for Germany’s Bild magazine. “The Portuguese police were not used to this kind of case, and not to the size that this case would grow into. Too many people were running in and out of the apartment. Too many people were bringing their DNA into the place, when they were supposed to be looking for other DNA.”

Some of the mistakes would almost be laughable, if they weren’t so tragic. The McCann’s apartment was not only left forensically unsealed – making collecting any DNA evidence immeasurably more difficult – but that error was compounded by the police introducing sniffer dogs into the apartment before forensics had even arrived, thereby tainting what DNA there was still further.

Perhaps most unbelievably, within weeks of Madeleine’s disappearance the apartment had been cleaned and rented again before proper samples could be taken.https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/catching-a-monster-madeleine-mccann

The clincher being that instead of looking for evidence to follow Amaral tells us that he was looking for the evidence which would back up his wild theories.

In the meantime a realistic suspect was perhaps busy making an appointment at a private German clinic with the money to pay for radical facial surgery which would alter his appearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 16, 2022, 12:52:46 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 16, 2022, 12:15:34 PM
And in that instant, the McCann’s world fell apart.

What happened next remains one of the most extraordinary episodes in modern history – as well as in all European law enforcement.

Desperate for any kind of lead that might help find their daughter, the McCanns actively sought out the cooperation of the media, laying their lives bare in countless newspaper and television interviews; their rationale being that if only enough people could hear their story, if only enough people could see Madeleine’s face, then surely someone would come forward with information about what had happened to her.

Unfortunately, their efforts were hampered by a police investigation that was flawed from the start. Despite the huge public interest and the attention of the world being focused on Praia da Luz, the local police who initially conducted the ground search had not even been properly trained in missing persons work.

“In the critical first 48 hours there were a lot of blunders and a lot of mistakes,” says investigative journalist Kai Feldhaus, who worked on the case for Germany’s Bild magazine. “The Portuguese police were not used to this kind of case, and not to the size that this case would grow into. Too many people were running in and out of the apartment. Too many people were bringing their DNA into the place, when they were supposed to be looking for other DNA.”

Some of the mistakes would almost be laughable, if they weren’t so tragic. The McCann’s apartment was not only left forensically unsealed – making collecting any DNA evidence immeasurably more difficult – but that error was compounded by the police introducing sniffer dogs into the apartment before forensics had even arrived, thereby tainting what DNA there was still further.

Perhaps most unbelievably, within weeks of Madeleine’s disappearance the apartment had been cleaned and rented again before proper samples could be taken.https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/catching-a-monster-madeleine-mccann

The clincher being that instead of looking for evidence to follow Amaral tells us that he was looking for the evidence which would back up his wild theories.

In the meantime a realistic suspect was perhaps busy making an appointment at a private German clinic with the money to pay for radical facial surgery which would alter his appearance.

Almost unbelievable.  The mistakes made by The PJ were appalling and often made in an attempt to pretend that they knew what they were doing.  And then accused The UK Police of interfering.

But Brueckner's facial surgery won't be difficult to prove.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 16, 2022, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 16, 2022, 11:51:54 AM
Are we actually getting anywhere?  No credible Alibi for Brueckner so far.  No arrest of Brueckner for anything.  And No ECHR Ruling.

I could be dead before anything happens.

Quite a few already are.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 16, 2022, 01:18:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 16, 2022, 01:14:32 PM
Quite a few already are.

How frightfully uplifting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 16, 2022, 03:42:50 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 16, 2022, 12:52:46 PM
Almost unbelievable.  The mistakes made by The PJ were appalling and often made in an attempt to pretend that they knew what they were doing.  And then accused The UK Police of interfering.

But Brueckner's facial surgery won't be difficult to prove.

I knew he had work done on his teeth.  (I believe I posted to that effect on the forum some years ago, but the link no longer exists.)  What I didn't know was how extensive the work carried out was.  Nor did I know how sensitive he was about it.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner says German police altered a photo of his face to give him 'rabbit teeth' and make him resemble a sex attack suspectBy NICK PISA IN FARO FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 13:09, 6 May 2022

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has accused German police of altering a photograph of him to give him 'rabbit like teeth' and resemble a sex attack suspect.

Brueckner, 45, is currently serving seven years for the rape of a 72-year-old woman but he has also been named as the man responsible for the kidnap and 'murder' of Madeleine.

German police also suspect him of a string of sex attacks in Portugal from where the British toddler disappeared in May 2007 and among them is an attack on a 10-year-old German girl on a beach just a month before. The victim in that attack, in April 2007, said that the attacker had 'prominent, rabbit-like teeth'.

He wrote: 'I discovered three proofs (sic) which are manipulated by the BKA (German police). I know this sounds unbelievable for you. The way they manipulated the proof in such an unprofessional work (sic) that I was laughing.

It's time I tell you that I have still not lost my sense of humour, even in this critical situation. This is what keeps me alive.

'Now you want to know what they manipulated ? I will tell you two things. The BKA knew that the victim told the police in Portugal that the culprit had teeth 'like a rabbit'.

'Or perhaps they knew that he had something wrong with his teeth. So they took a photo of me and changed my look by making my teeth terrible ugly.

'Even the victim said by seeing it that she can't remember that they were so terrible, that's funny isn't it ?

'But not enough, the BKA took a file of a dentist I have been to in 1999, OK it's a prison file. They just wrote by hand into this very old file that I have a special kind of bone where the teeth are in (sic).

'They say the bone on top is much further in front than the one underneath. That's definitely not me, it's a fake. This makes it quite easy for me to show the opposite.

'I hope that this case end up in court but I don't think so. I was talking to my lawyer on the phone about that and for some reason I know that the phoneline gets controlled by the BKA which is forbidden.

'That means they know from my discoverings (sic) and also that they will lose face in front of the court and of many other witnesses.

'I'm curious about the other cases but until now my lawyer has noy not got them. That means anyone can say anything about me but I can't say a word for my defence.'

The girl, who MailOnline knows the identify of but can't reveal, is now living in Germany and has a successful career but at the time of the attack was on holiday with her mother and brother.

In their statement they describe how a man grabbed the girl and pulled her to one side on the beach before committing a sex act on himself.

The girl's mother saw what was going on and rushed towards her daughter and the attacker – who was naked apart from a backpack and towel over his arm – fled.

Prosecutors in Germany hope to charge Brueckner with the attack later this month, as well as at least three other rape attacks and an indecent exposure in Portugal between 2004 and 2012.

'I hope that this case end up in court but I don't think so. I was talking to my lawyer on the phone about that and for some reason I know that the phoneline gets controlled by the BKA which is forbidden.

'That means they know from my discoverings (sic) and also that they will lose face in front of the court and of many other witnesses.

'I'm curious about the other cases but until now my lawyer has noy not got them. That means anyone can say anything about me but I can't say a word for my defence.'

The girl, who MailOnline knows the identify of but can't reveal, is now living in Germany and has a successful career but at the time of the attack was on holiday with her mother and brother.

In their statement they describe how a man grabbed the girl and pulled her to one side on the beach before committing a sex act on himself.

The girl's mother saw what was going on and rushed towards her daughter and the attacker – who was naked apart from a backpack and towel over his arm – fled.

Prosecutors in Germany hope to charge Brueckner with the attack later this month, as well as at least three other rape attacks and an indecent exposure in Portugal between 2004 and 2012.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10789469/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-says-German-police-altered-photo-face-rabbit-teeth.html
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12353.msg682941#msg682941

As you say, Eleanor, it should be easy enough to prove one way or the other whether or not he had facial reconstructive surgery in September 2007.  Either he did or he did not. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 16, 2022, 08:08:07 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 16, 2022, 10:00:43 AM
There was an internet cafe in Luz in 2007.  If there was a wi-fi password required, might it not have been theirs?
Brietta, I think it was the Habana bar and internet cafe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 16, 2022, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 16, 2022, 08:08:07 PM
Brietta, I think it was the Habana bar and internet cafe.

How do you know it was an internet cafe?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on May 17, 2022, 09:54:06 AM
Quote from: Anthro on May 16, 2022, 08:08:07 PM
Brietta, I think it was the Habana bar and internet cafe.
That's literally the opposite of an internet cafe. You paid for time at a terminal, not a wifi code.
Otherwise any old scrote could hawk the code around.
Come on guys, I know you want to pin the tail on the apparently buck toothed donkey, but there's a limit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2022, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: The General on May 17, 2022, 09:54:06 AM
That's literally the opposite of an internet cafe. You paid for time at a terminal, not a wifi code.
Otherwise any old scrote could hawk the code around.
Come on guys, I know you want to pin the tail on the apparently buck toothed donkey, but there's a limit.

Some people just believe anything without question if it suits their agenda.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2022, 12:31:30 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2022, 10:05:11 AM
Some people just believe anything without question if it suits their agenda.

Did Brueckner have buck teeth?  It seems that he might have done.  But very easy to prove.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 17, 2022, 12:34:54 PM
He showed a lot of upper teeth when he smiled, but so do a lot of people.
I wouldn't have called them buck teeth as in Bugs Bunny
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2022, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2022, 10:05:11 AM
Some people just believe anything without question if it suits their agenda.
You mean like you do wrt to the Tapas chef who claims the alarm was raised at before 9.20pm?  After all, he had no reason to lie so you believe him, right?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on May 17, 2022, 01:03:53 PM
From his side profile it seems he had quite a overbite. The front four teeth do seem to stand proud of the rest.
Pictures from Daily Mail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
Quote from: misty on May 17, 2022, 01:03:53 PM
From his side profile it seems he had quite a overbite. The front four teeth do seem to stand proud of the rest.
Pictures from Daily Mail.

And that after surgery.  Initially I reckon it must have been very pronounced before surgery and sufficient for it to be descriptive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on May 17, 2022, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: misty on May 17, 2022, 01:03:53 PM
From his side profile it seems he had quite a overbite. The front four teeth do seem to stand proud of the rest.
Pictures from Daily Mail.
What's the point being driven at?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2022, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: The General on May 17, 2022, 01:26:03 PM
What's the point being driven at?

He was a match for The Efit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on May 17, 2022, 01:33:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 17, 2022, 01:30:31 PM
He was a match for The Efit.
...then he still is. It's not as if he's made wholesale changes. He looks like the same ugly, retarded bellend he always did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2022, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
And that after surgery.  Initially I reckon it must have been very pronounced before surgery and sufficient for it to be descriptive.

Those photos were taken before the alleged surgery, weren't they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on May 17, 2022, 01:38:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2022, 01:35:22 PM
Those photos were taken before the alleged surgery, weren't they?

Yes, they are from a video shot in March/April 2007. His surgery didn't take place until September 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2022, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2022, 01:35:22 PM
Those photos were taken before the alleged surgery, weren't they?

              👀 What on earth are you on about 👀
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 17, 2022, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2022, 01:39:55 PM
              👀 What on earth are you on about 👀

The photos show him as he was before surgery.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg683608#msg683608
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2022, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2022, 01:46:24 PM
The photos show him as he was before surgery.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg683608#msg683608

With a protruding upper lip.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 17, 2022, 01:55:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 17, 2022, 01:46:24 PM
The photos show him as he was before surgery.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg683608#msg683608

Misty's response to the error made in my post is exactly as it should have been done "Yes, they are from a video shot in March/April 2007. His surgery didn't take place until September 2007."
Might be an opportunity for you to look and learn.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2022, 02:06:07 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 17, 2022, 01:55:40 PM
Misty's response to the error made in my post is exactly as it should have been done "Yes, they are from a video shot in March/April 2007. His surgery didn't take place until September 2007."
Might be an opportunity for you to look and learn.

Not much chance of that.  Although it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on May 17, 2022, 04:04:32 PM
I don't know if its me but in the photo of CB in 1999 [scroll down] he seems to have a fuller upper lip.https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/07/30/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2022, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: Lace on May 17, 2022, 04:04:32 PM
I don't know if its me but in the photo of CB in 1999 [scroll down] he seems to have a fuller upper lip.https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/07/30/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner/

He does.  But this isn't going to convict him.  The surgery might suggest, but this is just another pointer.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2022, 05:21:26 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 17, 2022, 04:29:00 PM
He does.  But this isn't going to convict him.  The surgery might suggest, but this is just another pointer.
I’d like to know how much this alleged surgery cost him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2022, 05:28:25 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 17, 2022, 05:21:26 PM
I’d like to know how much this alleged surgery cost him.

7,500 Euros.  Or so I have been told.  No doubt someone will refute this.  If in fact it ever happened.

Cite Please.  Blah blah blah.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 28, 2022, 12:04:39 PM
60 Minutes, Australia. Police say they finally know who snatched Madeleine McCann, so why won't they charge him? TOMORROW on #60Mins, the former detective who says they could have the wrong man. https://fb.watch/dhKJdDs5gL/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 28, 2022, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 28, 2022, 12:04:39 PM
60 Minutes, Australia. Police say they finally know who snatched Madeleine McCann, so why won't they charge him? TOMORROW on #60Mins, the former detective who says they could have the wrong man. https://fb.watch/dhKJdDs5gL/
MWT or Gonc?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on May 28, 2022, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 28, 2022, 12:07:50 PM
MWT or Gonc?
MWT
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 28, 2022, 12:39:29 PM
Quote from: Anthro on May 28, 2022, 12:30:02 PM
MWT
So I guess it's just the same documentary edited down to 60 minutes for an Australian audience...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 28, 2022, 01:01:58 PM
Naah, different docu... but featuring Williams-Thomas getting angry and frustrated that he's not leading the investigation!   Well done, Wolters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 28, 2022, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 28, 2022, 01:01:58 PM
Naah, different docu... but featuring Williams-Thomas getting angry and frustrated that he's not leading the investigation!   Well done, Wolters.

Is annoying private detectives equal to a successful prosecution now?
I suppose it must be, yes well done Wolters, he can't actually solve the case  bring Maddie home, or even present a shred of credible abduction evidence, but at least he annoyed MWT.
Money we'll spent I'm sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 29, 2022, 02:31:59 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 17, 2022, 01:49:25 PM
With a protruding upper lip.

WE were CONNED ... yet again

The images that we were shown on here were manufactured.   The video we were shown from the media was drastically altered to give Brueckner a massive overbite from the sideview.

I am really angry with myself cos' I knew instantly that the lower jaw had been reduced, yet never challenged it at the time.   One only has to look at his face full frontal to realise that with such a massive mismatch of his jaws, his lips wouldn't have closed.   Apart from that any portraiture artist could have told you that his frontal image would have shown such a recessed jawline.


WE WERE CONNED   Deliberate disinformation again

Who posted the video snip of Breukner in his motorhome ?

Perhaps he or she could explain how they managed to get hold of such a lying video ?  Did they manufacture it themselves ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 29, 2022, 07:20:36 AM
Quote from: sadie on May 29, 2022, 02:31:59 AM
WE were CONNED ... yet again

The images that we were shown on here were manufactured.   The video we were shown from the media was drastically altered to give Brueckner a massive overbite from the sideview.

I am really angry with myself cos' I knew instantly that the lower jaw had been reduced, yet never challenged it at the time.   One only has to look at his face full frontal to realise that with such a massive mismatch of his jaws, his lips wouldn't have closed.   Apart from that any portraiture artist could have told you that his frontal image would have shown such a recessed jawline.


WE WERE CONNED   Deliberate disinformation again

Who posted the video snip of Breukner in his motorhome ?

Perhaps he or she could explain how they managed to get hold of such a lying video ?  Did they manufacture it themselves ?

There will be a trail of evidence, Sadie.

Whichever clinic he used to have the operation in, there will be a medical file detailing the procedure carried out. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 29, 2022, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 29, 2022, 07:20:36 AM
There will be a trail of evidence, Sadie.

Whichever clinic he used to have the operation in, there will be a medical file detailing the procedure carried out.

Likely to be considered confidential information.
Perhaps Mr Gray can tell us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 29, 2022, 09:33:31 AM
Quote from: jassi on May 29, 2022, 09:14:49 AM
Likely to be considered confidential information.
Perhaps Mr Gray can tell us.

I believe the files concerning the hope for forthcoming prosecutions are now with Brueckner's lawyer; so once he has had time to analyse them no doubt we will find out some of what is currently in progress.

Snip
Files handed to Mr Fulscher also include evidence allegedly linking Brueckner to two indecent exposures to children in Portugal. Mr Wolters said: “The defence attorney must be given a reasonable amount of time to work through the files and to discuss them with his client.

“In view of the quite extensive files... Mr Fulscher will need a few weeks.”

Mr Fulscher now has a right of reply before any charges are filed.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, say they hold out hope their daughter is still alive.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... n-27054128
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 29, 2022, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 29, 2022, 09:33:31 AM
I believe the files concerning the hope for forthcoming prosecutions are now with Brueckner's lawyer; so once he has had time to analyse them no doubt we will find out some of what is currently in progress.

Snip
Files handed to Mr Fulscher also include evidence allegedly linking Brueckner to two indecent exposures to children in Portugal. Mr Wolters said: “The defence attorney must be given a reasonable amount of time to work through the files and to discuss them with his client.

“In view of the quite extensive files... Mr Fulscher will need a few weeks.”

Mr Fulscher now has a right of reply before any charges are filed.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, say they hold out hope their daughter is still alive.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... n-27054128

"Mr Fulscher now has a right of reply before any charges are filed."

It sounds like no charges have been issued. I think a judge makes that decision, based on what the prosecution and defense have to say.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 29, 2022, 11:27:49 AM
Quote from: Brietta on May 29, 2022, 07:20:36 AM
There will be a trail of evidence, Sadie.

Whichever clinic he used to have the operation in, there will be a medical file detailing the procedure carried out.

I realise that BUT,
Does it not interest anyone on here that we are repeatedly being conned by skilled operators.   The altered images shown were very graphic and gave out disinformation to anyone reading this forum.
CB's jawline on those images was so unusual that it would stick in peoples memory.


The alterations were done for a reason and they were done by a sceptic,.
   
I keep going over in my mind, "Why would anyone wish to alter his image on a video"?   
The only reason that I can think of, is that the poster is trying to deliberately produce images and reports on the internet.  To post a series of disinformation images of him in order that if CB is about to be charged he can cite the unfairness of what has happened, in order to get off charges.


Amarals lying image methods are being used again.


Time for this to stop or for this forum to close IMO.  As Elli says, "It is becoming a Cess pit"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 29, 2022, 12:12:48 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 29, 2022, 11:27:49 AM
I realise that BUT,
Does it not interest anyone on here that we are repeatedly being conned by skilled operators.   The altered images shown were very graphic and gave out disinformation to anyone reading this forum.
CB's jawline on those images was so unusual that it would stick in peoples memory.


The alterations were done for a reason and they were done by a sceptic,.
   
I keep going over in my mind, "Why would anyone wish to alter his image on a video"?   
The only reason that I can think of, is that the poster is trying to deliberately produce images and reports on the internet.  To post a series of disinformation images of him in order that if CB is about to be charged he can cite the unfairness of what has happened, in order to get off charges.


Amarals lying image methods are being used again.


Time for this to stop or for this forum to close IMO.  As Elli says, "It is becoming a Cess pit"

These are the images obtained and shown exclusively by Mailonline, apparently.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576985/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-kidnap-campervan-weeks-vanished.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 29, 2022, 01:46:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 29, 2022, 10:31:56 AM
"Mr Fulscher now has a right of reply before any charges are filed."

It sounds like no charges have been issued. I think a judge makes that decision, based on what the prosecution and defense have to say.
The salient point is that we will not be hearing anything  any time soon. 
“In view of the quite extensive files... Mr Fulscher will need a few weeks.”
Brueckner's defence team have a lot to be going on with and it will take some time.  I don't think either I would pin my hopes on charges not being issued; particularly if one complaint concerns a witness to him lurking under playground furniture with his trousers round his ankles who is an off duty police officer, who may well have saved him from the wrath of angry parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 29, 2022, 02:40:14 PM
Nothing new to see here... Move along... Move along... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU3mMh2vP6c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU3mMh2vP6c)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 29, 2022, 02:50:26 PM
... and WT still rabbiting on about awoke and wandered.  Clueless skewed thinking as always.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2022, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 29, 2022, 02:50:26 PM
... and WT still rabbiting on about awoke and wandered.  Clueless skewed thinking as always.

Yeah, he really doesn't buy the open window, does he.

But he should really, because Kate's gusty curtains are very, very convincing indeed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 29, 2022, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 29, 2022, 02:40:14 PM
Nothing new to see here... Move along... Move along... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU3mMh2vP6c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU3mMh2vP6c)
Literally nothing to see - was there no video?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 29, 2022, 03:06:51 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 29, 2022, 02:55:59 PM
Literally nothing to see - was there no video?
That was it!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 29, 2022, 03:13:12 PM
when questioned Re the alibi... MWT said... We tracked that person down.. And they categorically told us she was with him..

That is not true.. It's a lie.. So has MWT just told a blatant lie on tv
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 29, 2022, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 29, 2022, 03:13:12 PM
when questioned Re the alibi... MWT said... We tracked that person down.. And they categorically told us she was with him..

That is not true.. It's a lie.. So has MWT just told a blatant lie on tv

It is a lie.  She said she couldn't remember on what days she saw Brueckner or at what times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 29, 2022, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 29, 2022, 03:13:12 PM
when questioned Re the alibi... MWT said... We tracked that person down.. And they categorically told us she was with him..

That is not true.. It's a lie.. So has MWT just told a blatant lie on tv
could have just been the programme editor editing out any caveat he may have made I suppose...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 29, 2022, 03:36:36 PM

Former British Detective.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2022, 03:55:24 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 29, 2022, 03:34:58 PM
It is a lie.  She said she couldn't remember on what days she saw Brueckner or at what times.

But, you'd have to agree, it's totally irrelevant that he can't provide a solid alibi for May 3rd, because Wolters is unable to prove Brueckner actually abducted Maddie, or murdered her, or that Maddie was ever even abducted in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 29, 2022, 04:59:10 PM
Good to see Wolters consistent as ever.  He's happy to answer the DNA question but when asks about photos of Maddie refused to answer... Obviously that's what he has
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2022, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 29, 2022, 04:59:10 PM
Good to see Wolters consistent as ever.  He's happy to answer the DNA question but when asks about photos of Maddie refused to answer... Obviously that's what he has

So why hasn't he shown them to SY, or the McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 29, 2022, 05:20:52 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2022, 05:15:24 PM
So why hasn't he shown them to SY, or the McCanns?

Good God.  You turn my stomach sometimes.
.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2022, 05:25:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 29, 2022, 05:20:52 PM
Good God.  You turn my stomach sometimes.
.

Don't you think the McCanns would be required to identify Maddie?
Why are SY still treating the case as a disappearance when there's 100% concrete evidence Maddie is dead, shouldn't it be a murder investigation by now?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2022, 05:35:11 PM
There is no hope she is alive, if we saw the evidence we'd be in no doubt, says Wolters.
He doesn't seem to have shared this irrefutable evidence with Maddie’s parents though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2022, 05:48:37 PM

Why does the find Maddie website still exist, appeal for Tanner man & state "There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed"?

Wolters must not have shared his irrefutable concrete evidence with her parents, allowing them to live in the agony false hope, when it is in fact totally undeniable that Brueckner murdered Maddie 15 years ago.

He should at least let Maddie's parents finally grieve properly, nasty Wolters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 29, 2022, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 29, 2022, 03:13:12 PM
when questioned Re the alibi... MWT said... We tracked that person down.. And they categorically told us she was with him..

That is not true.. It's a lie.. So has MWT just told a blatant lie on tv

So, the President of the USA did so on tv, what happened, nowt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 29, 2022, 07:52:17 PM
Wolters is on record on tape on the MWT thing on CH 5 saying, he cannot place CB in Luz, he has no forensic evidence into the death of Madeleine .Not much else is there .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 29, 2022, 08:06:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 29, 2022, 07:52:17 PM
Wolters is on record on tape on the MWT thing on CH 5 saying, he cannot place CB in Luz, he has no forensic evidence into the death of Madeleine .Not much else is there .

As in the Rui Pedro abduction and murder
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2022, 08:42:14 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 29, 2022, 08:06:29 PM
As in the Rui Pedro abduction and murder.

You mean disappearance, right?

What evidence do you have the boy was abducted & murdered?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 29, 2022, 11:17:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 29, 2022, 12:12:48 PM
These are the images obtained and shown exclusively by Mailonline, apparently.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576985/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-kidnap-campervan-weeks-vanished.html
Above if the webpage is opened up, is the image as it was in reality; that is as it was before it was drasticaly altered to show a lie..

The altered image was shown, I think, in Mysters post.   Please correct me if I am wrong on that.  It stood long enough to influence readers but was taken down again and returned to the normal a day or two afterwards. 

Sheer deception.   Trying to pervert the course of Justice, it seems.


Thanks to Heribert Janosch from his blog,   http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/   for the photo below which shows a badly shaped set of teeth.   The upper set are in front of the lower set, but what a mess they were.   No wonder he paid to have them straightened.   Apart from looking a trifle weak there is nothing wrong with his jaws that I can see.


 
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjCvX3OfuqQnKjx_Drn5CsTKGC7iS-vOAilIWw1AL_pBFmnxDO7qw-hvcT1EtP2vqf478_mePJv0tEQVZR3TNit_VCK6fS1eiVGkQG40bQrLw6hLTvgVDnSIIqchBsYoW55QxAW1vEsnAqrtEs9_h-9e0cDsE0f6gsce-_wEMqb2QGLH6VToPs/s240/Teeth.jpg)


So is it significant that he allegedly paid to have them adjusted ?   The only likely significance, imo, is where did he get the mega bucks necessary for the work ?  I suppose it is possible that he had them done to avoid recogniton, but it seems unlikely to me.


I dont believe that apart from a good deal of inside his mouth teeth repositioning that anything was needed to be done to his jaw.   We have a dental expert on here, maybe he can improve on what I am trying to say.



I should mention here that every time I tried to open Heris blog, the security lock came up with the dreaded orange scoring out line through it, so can we be certain that this photo is bona fide?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 29, 2022, 11:42:01 PM

It has crossed my mind that Brueckner thought he might have been seen lurking that evening, especially after the release of the  PhotoFits.  And then attempted to alter his face.

He did some very weird things at the time of Madeleine's disappearance and shortly afterwards, which might suggest that he had a plan in mind.  But this only suggests an abduction to me.  Surely no one would go to these lengths just to murder a small child?

I will continue to wait before I make up my mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 29, 2022, 11:54:32 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2022, 05:25:36 PM
Don't you think the McCanns would be required to identify Maddie?
Why are SY still treating the case as a disappearance when there's 100% concrete evidence Maddie is dead, shouldn't it be a murder investigation by now?


Because they have seen and investigated the truth of the pointers and evidence that I have given them.   Masses of it, far more than the pointers against CB.  They, OG, like me believe the likelyhood is that she is still alive.


That's why they are still treating it as a disappearance/ abduction but with a living Madeleine.

If Madeleine is dead then it happened since 2012.   FULL STOP.


However things have happened in the past couple of years that convince me that Madeleine is still alive and well.    Almost certainly pregnant atm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 30, 2022, 12:51:03 AM
To state that The McCanns should be expected to view photographic evidence of an abused and dead Madeleine is an obscenity. 
There are other ways in which this can be done

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2022, 04:16:31 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 30, 2022, 12:51:03 AM
To state that The McCanns should be expected to view photographic evidence of an abused and dead Madeleine is an obscenity. 
There are other ways in which this can be done.

Maybe it would be too obscene for SY to see the images also , because they don't seem to have been shown them either.
Or maybe they have seen them & are still unconvinced.
Or maybe there just aren't any photos in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 30, 2022, 07:26:30 AM
Quote from: sadie on May 29, 2022, 11:17:26 PM
Above if the webpage is opened up, is the image as it was in reality; that is as it was before it was drasticaly altered to show a lie..

The altered image was shown, I think, in Mysters post.   Please correct me if I am wrong on that.  It stood long enough to influence readers but was taken down again and returned to the normal a day or two afterwards. 

Sheer deception.   Trying to pervert the course of Justice, it seems.


Thanks to Heribert Janosch from his blog,   http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/ (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/)   for the photo below which shows a badly shaped set of teeth.   The upper set are in front of the lower set, but what a mess they were.   No wonder he paid to have them straightened.   Apart from looking a trifle weak there is nothing wrong with his jaws that I can see.


 
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjCvX3OfuqQnKjx_Drn5CsTKGC7iS-vOAilIWw1AL_pBFmnxDO7qw-hvcT1EtP2vqf478_mePJv0tEQVZR3TNit_VCK6fS1eiVGkQG40bQrLw6hLTvgVDnSIIqchBsYoW55QxAW1vEsnAqrtEs9_h-9e0cDsE0f6gsce-_wEMqb2QGLH6VToPs/s240/Teeth.jpg)


So is it significant that he allegedly paid to have them adjusted ?   The only likely significance, imo, is where did he get the mega bucks necessary for the work ?  I suppose it is possible that he had them done to avoid recogniton, but it seems unlikely to me.


I dont believe that apart from a good deal of inside his mouth teeth repositioning that anything was needed to be done to his jaw.   We have a dental expert on here, maybe he can improve on what I am trying to say.



I should mention here that every time I tried to open Heris blog, the security lock came up with the dreaded orange scoring out line through it, so can we be certain that this photo is bona fide?
I'm heartily sick of coming on here and every time reading your prattling nonsense accusing others of deliberately altering images or changing colours intentionally to deceive. Nothing could be further from the truth, so get real!

The mugshot images I posted were lifted directly from this MailOnline article, nothing more nothing less...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 30, 2022, 07:31:06 AM
Quote from: sadie on May 29, 2022, 11:54:32 PM

Because they have seen and investigated the truth of the pointers and evidence that I have given them.   Masses of it, far more than the pointers against CB.  They, OG, like me believe the likelyhood is that she is still alive.


That's why they are still treating it as a disappearance/ abduction but with a living Madeleine.

If Madeleine is dead then it happened since 2012.   FULL STOP.


However things have happened in the past couple of years that convince me that Madeleine is still alive and well.    Almost certainly pregnant atm
No doubt you'll be informing us next about whether her sprog is a boy or girl when it arrives and if they inherited the coloboma!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 30, 2022, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 30, 2022, 12:51:03 AM
To state that The McCanns should be expected to view photographic evidence of an abused and dead Madeleine is an obscenity. 
There are other ways in which this can be done

 Wolters would look like some kind of prat if he produced an image which wasn't Madeleine .If and its a mighty big if there is a supposed image/s some one has to identify them.
But Wolters said himself if we had photographic evidence we wouldn't have needed to appeal, so there is none.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 30, 2022, 09:33:40 AM
Wolters would look like some kind of prat if he produced an image which wasn't Madeleine .If and its a mighty big if there is a supposed image/s some one has to identify them.
But Wolters said himself if we had photographic evidence we wouldn't have needed to appeal, so there is none.

Wolters never said theres no photographic evidence.. Need to get your facts right
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2022, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 12:17:04 PM
Wolters never said theres no photographic evidence.. Need to get your facts right

“It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”


Ok, so the imaginary picture shows Maddie, but not Brueckner, right?


“We don’t try to speak because it’s not the right time. We don’t believe he will say he did it.

“We think we have 90 per cent evidence. If he knows what this is, he can try to change his story.”


I think Brueckner might just recall that he kept a picture of Maddie buried under his dead dog, & he'd be pretty sure the police had found it by now, since they made it known via mass media that they'd found his stash.

Yeah, this whole photo thing doesn't make much sense really does it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2022, 12:44:26 PM

Maybe this was a photo from another porn stash that Brueckner just forgot he ever had, too busy worrying about his overbite instead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 12:50:33 PM
For those not understanding what's going on.. Wolters has said he doesn't have any photo of Maddie with Wolters together... Not that he doesn't have any photo evidence showing Maddie was abducted and murdered
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 30, 2022, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 12:50:33 PM
For those not understanding what's going on.. Wolters has said he doesn't have any photo of Maddie with Wolters together... Not that he doesn't have any photo evidence showing Maddie was abducted and murdered

You need to edit that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 30, 2022, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2022, 12:42:19 PM
“It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”


Ok, so the imaginary picture shows Maddie, but not Brueckner, right?


“We don’t try to speak because it’s not the right time. We don’t believe he will say he did it.

“We think we have 90 per cent evidence. If he knows what this is, he can try to change his story.”


I think Brueckner might just recall that he kept a picture of Maddie buried under his dead dog, & he'd be pretty sure the police had found it by now, since they made it known via mass media that they'd found his stash.

Yeah, this whole photo thing doesn't make much sense really does it.

Given the nature of the photos why wasn't CB charged over them ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 30, 2022, 01:00:05 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 12:50:33 PM
For those not understanding what's going on.. Wolters has said he doesn't have any photo of Maddie with Wolters together... Not that he doesn't have any photo evidence showing Maddie was abducted and murdered

Ok lets run with your scenario, he's got a picture, now what, its clear CB doesn't figure in it . MWT intimated in his docu that CB has a thing for recording his assaults, yet not one has emerged with him with Madeleine nor have his bestest mates have said they've seen one , easy to suppose why, cause he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2022, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 12:50:33 PM
For those not understanding what's going on.. Wolters has said he doesn't have any photo of Maddie with Wolters together... Not that he doesn't have any photo evidence showing Maddie was abducted and murdered

Yeah, & I just explained how if anyone would know there was a photo of Maddie, that would be Brueckner wouldn't it. His buck teeth get spotted near 5a, he doesn't have an alibi for May 3rd & there's a picture of dead Maddie under his dog, but, rather than crapping himself, he's sat drawing cartoons taking the piss out of the prosecutor.

Maybe he's confident he got away with the murder, that's possible, or maybe he just had absolutely no involvement whatsoever in Madeleine's disappearance, that seems more likely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 30, 2022, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 30, 2022, 07:26:30 AM
I'm heartily sick of coming on here and every time reading your prattling nonsense accusing others of deliberately altering images or changing colours intentionally to deceive. Nothing could be further from the truth, so get real!

The mugshot images I posted were lifted directly from this MailOnline article, nothing more nothing less...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html)

The images that I am on about were not shown in the above article. They were in another, in CB's mototorhome IIRC. 

This is not the image showing the hugely overshot jaw that we saw a few days ago.  In that the lower jaw was about an inch back from the upper jaw IIRC.   Did nobody else see it?   Was it only shown late at night when I was on alone?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on May 30, 2022, 01:00:05 PM
Ok lets run with your scenario, he's got a picture, now what, its clear CB doesn't figure in it . MWT intimated in his docu that CB has a thing for recording his assaults, yet not one has emerged with him with Madeleine nor have his bestest mates have said they've seen one , easy to suppose why, cause he didn't do it.

The person who holds all the evidence doesn't agree with you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2022, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 01:05:18 PM
The person who holds all the evidence doesn't agree with you

Well good for him, but not much use if he can't prove anything really is it.

I suppose he could do some more media interviews, maybe they count as an equal substitute for successful prosecutions these days.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 30, 2022, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 01:05:18 PM
The person who holds all the evidence doesn't agree with you

Wolters holds much of the evidence but SY hold different evidence which shows Madeleine alive in 2012, with virtually 100% certainty.   Am not sure if the PJ have any evidence much.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 30, 2022, 01:10:45 PM
Wolters holds much of the evidence but SY hold different evidence which shows Madeleine alive in 2012, with virtually 100% certainty.   Am not sure if the PJ have any evidence much.

I think you are mistaken.. Very mistaken
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 30, 2022, 01:21:14 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 01:14:01 PM
I think you are mistaken.. Very mistaken

Thank you for your kind response.  Appreciated.

Think about it: 

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 30, 2022, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 01:05:18 PM
The person who holds all the evidence doesn't agree with you

The ones who come out with this classic. I don't know where the body is right now.if we knew,we would of found it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 30, 2022, 01:21:14 PM
Thank you for your kind response.  Appreciated.

Think about it: 

  • Why are SY still looking for a missing Madeleine rather than a dead Madeleine?
  • Why are they refusing to go along with Wolters ?

SY are not looking for a missing Madeleine.. They are working closely with the Germans.  Technically it's a missing person case but in reality they accept Maddue is dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:52:30 PM
Has Bruckner been charged yet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:53:33 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2022, 04:16:31 AM
Maybe it would be too obscene for SY to see the images also , because they don't seem to have been shown them either.
Or maybe they have seen them & are still unconvinced.
Or maybe there just aren't any photos in the first place.

The last is obviously true, there are no photographs of any consequence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:55:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 29, 2022, 11:42:01 PM
It has crossed my mind that Brueckner thought he might have been seen lurking that evening, especially after the release of the  PhotoFits.  And then attempted to alter his face.

He did some very weird things at the time of Madeleine's disappearance and shortly afterwards, which might suggest that he had a plan in mind.  But this only suggests an abduction to me.  Surely no one would go to these lengths just to murder a small child?

I will continue to wait before I make up my mind.

Bruckner is not a killer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 30, 2022, 03:08:55 PM
Quote from: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:55:11 PM
Bruckner is not a killer.
You are Mark Williams-Thomas and I claim my £10,000.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 30, 2022, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:52:30 PM
Has Bruckner been charged yet?

Last I read was that Brueckner's lawyer has the files in his possession for the first tranche of crimes it is hoped to prosecute Brueckner for.  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... n-27054128

There are quite a few of them.  It is expected that it will take the lawyer some time to work through them.

So it seems that the ball is in Brueckner's lawyer's court at the moment. We shall just have to wait patiently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 30, 2022, 03:35:23 PM
Quote from: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:53:33 PM
The last is obviously true, there are no photographs of any consequence.

I don't think there is any doubt that the police in Germany literally unearthed a paedophile treasure trove of photographs.

The ownership of which is in no doubt due to photographic evidence to that effect.

I'm sure the kids being brutalised in the content might have a different viewpoint of whether or not the images are of consequence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 30, 2022, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:55:11 PM
Bruckner is not a killer.

Fred and Rose were a lovely couple for many years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 30, 2022, 03:43:32 PM
Quote from: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:55:11 PM
Bruckner is not a killer.
What do you know about it?  Seriously?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 30, 2022, 03:48:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on May 30, 2022, 03:39:14 PM
Fred and Rose were a lovely couple for many years.
They were pretty much alway utterly vile and depraved from the moment they got together however you are right inasmuch as noone who knew them could possibly have imagined the horrors they were capable of.   It’s true Brückner has no previous conviction for murder but that means nothing wrt to the possibility or likelihood of his involvement in the abduction and murder of Madeleine and possibly others.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:53:33 PM
The last is obviously true, there are no photographs of any consequence.

That is not an established fact... It's your opinion.  It seems it's fine to post opinion as fact now
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:55:11 PM
Bruckner is not a killer.

That's your opinion ...you cannot possibly know if that's true
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 30, 2022, 04:36:55 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 30, 2022, 03:48:08 PM
They were pretty much alway utterly vile and depraved from the moment they got together however you are right inasmuch as noone who knew them could possibly have imagined the horrors they were capable of.   It’s true Brückner has no previous conviction for murder but that means nothing wrt to the possibility or likelihood of his involvement in the abduction and murder of Madeleine and possibly others.

He is a person with scant regard when it comes to murdering innocence for his own gratification.  We cannot know of what else he may be capable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 30, 2022, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 04:26:27 PM
That is not an established fact... It's your opinion.  It seems it's fine to post opinion as fact now
Apparently it’s fine now to say on this forum that Madeleine was not abducted, is the reverse also ok to state I wonder…?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 30, 2022, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 01:25:39 PM
SY are not looking for a missing Madeleine.. They are working closely with the Germans.  Technically it's a missing person case but in reality they accept Maddue is dead.

Mr Gray, What you are saying might be correct, but I can not recall having seen SY intimating that they think Madeleine is dead.   Can you point me towards where you saw it please.   TY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 05:22:52 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 30, 2022, 05:11:10 PM
Mr Gray, What you are saying might be correct, but I can not recall having seen SY intimating that they think Madeleine is dead.   Can you point me towards where you saw it please.   TY

How can SY be working closely with the Germans if they think Maddie is still alive.. The Germans are 100% certain maffie was murdered by CB
..why haven't SY told them they are wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2022, 05:27:01 PM
Quote from: Swertigo Virl on May 30, 2022, 05:09:34 PM
Apparently it’s fine now to say on this forum that Madeleine was not abducted, is the reverse also ok to state I wonder…?

It's already fine to say Maddie was abducted, there's a whole thread about perceptions of Madeleine's 'abduction'.

Let's come to an agreement, if your side can prove Maddie was definitely abducted, I'll show you concrete evidence that she wasn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 30, 2022, 05:53:46 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 05:22:52 PM
How can SY be working closely with the Germans if they think Maddie is still alive.. The Germans are 100% certain maffie was murdered by CB
..why haven't SY told them they are wrong

How can SY tell the Germans they're wrong when they don't know what this 'concrete' evidence is? No-one knows if they're right or wrong until their evidence is tested in court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 05:59:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 30, 2022, 05:53:46 PM
How can SY tell the Germans they're wrong when they don't know what this 'concrete' evidence is? No-one knows if they're right or wrong until their evidence is tested in court.

Quite simple.. Try to see the post in context.  If SY have the evidence Sadie claims that Maddie is alive then CB is innocent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 30, 2022, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 05:22:52 PM
How can SY be working closely with the Germans if they think Maddie is still alive.. The Germans are 100% certain maffie was murdered by CB
..why haven't SY told them they are wrong


I don't know why OG haven't told them that they are wrong, but it could be that they are still tying it all up and it is sensitive.   I am inclined to think that Madeleines disappearance, whilst ordered by one man, Mr Big, was linked to a massive global trafficking set up in drugs and slaves.   Probably mainly modern sexual slavery including pa-dop-llia.
Not only this but blackmail and extortion money.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10239367/Scotland-Yard-open-thinking-Madeleine-McCann-Germans-think-dead.html


-snip-
Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann team has 'more open thinking' and is still treating her disappearance as a missing person's investigation – despite German prosecutors insisting she is dead.

Among other theories, the bespoke London unit of officers codenamed Operation Grange is still working on a possibility she may be alive.
-/snip-




It goes a wee bit further on this lower down the article, but I haven't the energy.  Soz.

This, of course was about Christmas and the UK must have been under terrible pressure financially.   The funding stopped.  Just hope they have enough funds left to finish their investigation into a living Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 30, 2022, 06:44:14 PM

I don't know why OG haven't told them that they are wrong, but it could be that they are still tying it all up and it is sensitive.   I am inclined to think that Madeleines disappearance, whilst ordered by one man, Mr Big, was linked to a massive global trafficking set up in drugs and slaves.   Probably mainly modern sexual slavery including pa-dop-llia.
Not only this but blackmail and extortion money.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10239367/Scotland-Yard-open-thinking-Madeleine-McCann-Germans-think-dead.html


-snip-
Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann team has 'more open thinking' and is still treating her disappearance as a missing person's investigation – despite German prosecutors insisting she is dead.

Among other theories, the bespoke London unit of officers codenamed Operation Grange is still working on a possibility she may be alive.
-/snip-




It goes a wee bit further on this lower down the article, but I haven't the energy.  Soz.

This, of course was about Christmas and the UK must have been under terrible pressure financially.   The funding stopped.  Just hope they have enough funds left to finish their investigation into a living Madeleine.

So who is it claiming SY are more open thinking... Sounds absolute rubbish to me.
I'm confident from what he has said.... He's been consistent and never contradicted himself.... Wolters has proof Maddie is dead
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 30, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 05:59:09 PM
Quite simple.. Try to see the post in context.  If SY have the evidence Sadie claims that Maddiebis alive then CB is innocent

I don't think Sadie claims there's proof that Madeleine is alive, just 'pointers'. In fact I don't think Sadie has any evidence proving that Madeleine had a special bloodline or that Mr Big exists. Nor has she any evidence of a watcher, a lifter, a get-a-way car or any other of her theories. Apologies, Sadie, but it's all a step too far for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2022, 07:10:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 30, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
I don't think Sadie claims there's proof that Madeleine is alive, just 'pointers'. In fact I don't think Sadie has any evidence proving that Madeleine had a special bloodline or that Mr Big exists. Nor has she any evidence of a watcher, a lifter, a get-a-way car or any other of her theories. Apologies, Sadie, but it's all a step too far for me.

Well, I trust Sadie more than Wolters, he hasn't even seen what evidence she has.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 30, 2022, 07:12:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 30, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
I don't think Sadie claims there's proof that Madeleine is alive, just 'pointers'. In fact I don't think Sadie has any evidence proving that Madeleine had a special bloodline or that Mr Big exists. Nor has she any evidence of a watcher, a lifter, a get-a-way car or any other of her theories. Apologies, Sadie, but it's all a step too far for me.

If you read the posts properly you would see I've not mentioned proof
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 31, 2022, 01:21:04 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 30, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
I don't think Sadie claims there's proof that Madeleine is alive, just 'pointers'. In fact I don't think Sadie has any evidence proving that Madeleine had a special bloodline or that Mr Big exists. Nor has she any evidence of a watcher, a lifter, a get-a-way car or any other of her theories. Apologies, Sadie, but it's all a step too far for me.

You are correct on the emboldened part, Gunit. 

Apart from needing to know for myself, my main aim was to logically prove the possibility of an abduction, which the sceptics were saying was impossible.  With a little help from you, I think I achieved that quite nicely.  Thank you for your help, Gunit. 

[color=]Editted to add:  And there were pointers, Gunit. 
Fag ends,
black limousine approaching Blocks 5 and 6 at the time Gerry and Kate appeared when it hastily did a turn around near Baptistas supermarket . 
Then the most important of all, The Jane Tanner Sighting.

As for proving that Madeleine is alive, she was in 2012.   The proof was on a video that SY seem to think is Madeleine too.   There were a multitude of ancilliary pointers That took me to the correct place to search and afterwards confirmed the reality of the situation.

This video evidence is less than 5% of the total pointers, proofs, facts etc That Madeleine definitely lived at least until 2012 .    Madeleine was abducted for a purpose, which appears to be because of her special bloodline, which is pure ~ and i can't see that she would have been killed.   

Had she or anyone else been killed, the jail sentence would have suddenly, because of murder, become very long.   I don't think that she was murdered .   I believe she still lives.


Psychic, Matt James also thinks she still lives and I know that he is rather special.   He identified the Mediterranean island where Madeleine was living and dancing on the video.   I had already found it by logical means when I saw his Tarot cards, but it was good to receive confirmation from his cards.   

I think this was the reason that SY contacted Matt, but I don't know that.


I never believed in psychics, but Matt and an ameteur and shy lady psychic in South Wales changed my mind.   Both revealed remarkable things.



And now, I will leave it at that


Tin hat on (&^&

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 31, 2022, 06:25:32 AM
Quote from: sadie on May 31, 2022, 01:21:04 AM
You are correct on the emboldened part, Gunit. 

Apart from needing to know for myself, my main aim was to logically prove the possibility of an abduction, which the sceptics were saying was impossible.  With a little help from you, I think I achieved that quite nicely.  Thank you for your help, Gunit.

As for proving that Madeleine is alive, she was in 2012.   The proof was on a video that SY seem to think is Madeleine too.   There were a multitude of ancilliary pointers That took me to the correct place to search and afterwards confirmed the reality of the situation.

This video evidence is less than 5% of the total pointers, proofs, facts etc That Madeleine definitely lived at least until 2012 .    Madeleine was abducted for a purpose, which appears to be because of her special bloodline, which is pure ~ and i can't see that she would have been killed.   

Had she or anyone else been killed, the jail sentence would have suddenly, because of murder, become very long.   I don't think that she was murdered .   I believe she still lives.


Psychic, Matt James also thinks she still lives and I know that he is rather special.   He identified the Mediterranean island where Madeleine was living and dancing on the video.   I had already found it by logical means when I saw his Tarot cards, but it was good to receive confirmation from his cards.   

I think this was the reason that SY contacted Matt, but I don't know that.


I never believed in psychics, but Matt and an ameteur and shy lady psychic in South Wales changed my mind.   Both revealed remarkable things.



And now, I will leave it at that


Tin hat on (&^&

I'm afraid I don't think your theories or the contributions of psychics have anything of value to offer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 31, 2022, 07:23:48 AM
No need to be afraid... Sadie inhabits an unfathomable universe at a very safe distance from the logical norm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 31, 2022, 08:21:15 AM
Quote from: Myster on May 31, 2022, 07:23:48 AM
No need to be afraid... Sadie inhabits an unfathomable universe at a very safe distance from the logical norm.

Logical Norm, he sounds like a dull fella, bit of a nerd, not much fun to have at dinner parties, I'd probably keep a safe distance from him too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 31, 2022, 11:48:08 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on May 31, 2022, 06:25:32 AM
I'm afraid I don't think your theories or the contributions of psychics have anything of value to offer.

That's fine.  I didn't expect anything from you tbh.

Seems you have nothing to give apart from snide remarks at The Mccanns and supportive members on here.

Oh and a good deal of disinformation!   You are very good at that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on May 31, 2022, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: sadie on May 31, 2022, 11:48:08 AM
That's fine.  I didn't expect anything from you tbh.

Seems you have nothing to give apart from snide remarks at The Mccanns and supportive members on here.

Oh and a good deal of disinformation!   You are very good at that

I think you accusing others of spreading disinformation is really amusing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 31, 2022, 12:30:08 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 31, 2022, 07:23:48 AM
No need to be afraid... Sadie inhabits an unfathomable universe at a very safe distance from the logical norm.

OHO .. OHO .. HO   (&^&

One thing about you, Myster, Harry is that you make me laugh.   You norty wizard!

Sadie takes the trouble to look very very carefully at things and sometimes she observes things that pass others by.



ATM there is a deliberate clouding of events which have been artificially presented and  because of everyones anxiety to grab at Brueckner as the culprit the clouding has become more and more dense.   Only Matt James and I seem to be able to see thru it.


I should reiterate that no way do I think Brueckner killed Madeleine.  Whilst I have witnessed awful things written against Bruckner and know he is capable of breaking/climbing in, there is still nothing that absolutely convinces me that he did the abduction.   However if the media is to be believed, I think it is possible that he did it for someone else, for money.   

I stand with Elli on this.  He is innocent until proven guilty ... and, imo, there is nothing conclusive that we know about.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 31, 2022, 12:37:06 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 31, 2022, 12:30:08 PM
OHO .. OHO .. HO   (&^&

One thing about you, Myster, Harry is that you make me laugh.   You norty wizard!

Sadie takes the trouble to look very very carefully at things and sometimes she observes things that pass others by.



ATM there is a deliberate clouding of events which have been artificially presented and  because of everyones anxiety to grab at Brueckner as the culprit the clouding has become more and more dense.   Only Matt James and I seem to be able to see thru it.


I should reiterate that no way do I think Brueckner killed Madeleine.  Whilst I have witnessed awful things written against Bruckner and know he is capable of breaking/climbing in, there is still nothing that absolutely convinces me that he did the abduction.   However if the media is to be believed, I think it is possible that he did it for someone else, for money.   

I stand with Elli on this.  He is innocent until proven guilty ... and, imo, there is nothing conclusive that we know about.
You are free to believe what you want but if you continually refer to others and not being open minded and unable to see the things you see then you are not being fair minded.

What would you think if Wolters concrete evidence was from three different psychics... All who agreed that Maddie was abducted and murdered.  Would you have more trust in him
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 31, 2022, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on May 31, 2022, 12:37:06 PM
You are free to believe what you want but if you continually refer to others and not being open minded and unable to see the things you see then you are not being fair minded.

What would you think if Wolters concrete evidence was from three different psychics... All who agreed that Maddie was abducted and murdered.  Would you have more trust in him

Certain people are very clever but very fixed minded.   I like Wolters but find him rather pedantic.  Even the way he dresses is very stiff and I think he would have a job opening his mind to other solutions.   There are others like him on both sides.

Many psychics are a con and absolutely useless, but I find that Matt James, Brian Ladd and the anonymous lady in South Wales to be generally pretty good.   They confirm things that I have already found, which is reassuring.   It seeems to me that they don't get everything right tho'

I think Wolters is sincere, but he is too rigid and unwilling to shift his position when new things appear.   I wonder if he is being taken up the garden path by somebody senior, maybe in the police force?


Mr Grey, I need pointers/evidence/ facts before I take on board what the psychics say.


I will say goodbye for now.   Need a good  6&%5%     ZZZZZZzzzzzzz......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on May 31, 2022, 01:20:45 PM
Quote from: sadie on May 31, 2022, 12:30:08 PM
OHO .. OHO .. HO   (&^&

One thing about you, Myster, Harry is that you make me laugh.   You norty wizard!

Sadie takes the trouble to look very very carefully at things and sometimes she observes things that pass others by.



ATM there is a deliberate clouding of events which have been artificially presented and  because of everyones anxiety to grab at Brueckner as the culprit the clouding has become more and more dense.   Only Matt James and I seem to be able to see thru it.


I should reiterate that no way do I think Brueckner killed Madeleine.  Whilst I have witnessed awful things written against Bruckner and know he is capable of breaking/climbing in, there is still nothing that absolutely convinces me that he did the abduction.  However if the media is to be believed, I think it is possible that he did it for someone else, for money.   

I stand with Elli on this.  He is innocent until proven guilty ... and, imo, there is nothing conclusive that we know about.

The bolded bit , we are of an accord .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 31, 2022, 06:43:14 PM
nocent until PROVEN guilty
Quote from: barrier on May 31, 2022, 01:20:45 PM
The bolded bit , we are of an accord .

But my reason is because I truly believe Madeleine to still be alive.   

If I didn't believe that Madelene is still alive, I would have no idea.   
I cannot see any pointers to CB being a killer, but as so many on here have pointed out, he has committed a lot of different crimes and there always has to be a first time with murder.   But, imo, that is not enough.   Unless Wolters has solid evidence, I can't see a conviction on either Abduction or Murder tbh.   CB does have a burglaring ability well honed and is able to scale walls etc.  but even if proved he was nearby, that is not enough on its own as far as I can see.

 
Maybe Wolters has something solid up his sleeve?   Let's be patient, shall we? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 03, 2022, 09:48:03 AM
It seems as if CB went to a higher court in a bid for parole and failed again, probably justly so imo. Caveat, google translate.



Suspect in Maddie case remains in custody
06/02/2022, 09:25

BRUNSWICK.   Christian B. had applied for release and complained to the Higher Regional Court. He remains behind bars.

The suspect in the Maddie case remains in custody following a decision by the Oldenburg Higher Regional Court . The prisoner had complained about a corresponding decision by the Oldenburg Regional Court , which the Higher Regional Court has now rejected, as the Oldenburg “Nordwest-Zeitung” (Thursday) reported. The 45-year-old is currently serving several years in prison for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2005. Around a year and a half after this crime, then three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappeared from a nearby apartment complex.

According to the report, under certain conditions , convicts can leave the prison early - on probation - if they have served half of the sentence imposed. This time had come, so the prisoner had filed an application with the district court .

https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article235511287/Verdaechtiger-im-Fall-Maddie-bleibt-in-Haft.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2022, 10:04:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 03, 2022, 09:48:03 AM
It seems as if CB went to a higher court in a bid for parole and failed again, probably justly so imo. Caveat, google translate.



Suspect in Maddie case remains in custody
06/02/2022, 09:25

BRUNSWICK.   Christian B. had applied for release and complained to the Higher Regional Court. He remains behind bars.

The suspect in the Maddie case remains in custody following a decision by the Oldenburg Higher Regional Court . The prisoner had complained about a corresponding decision by the Oldenburg Regional Court , which the Higher Regional Court has now rejected, as the Oldenburg “Nordwest-Zeitung” (Thursday) reported. The 45-year-old is currently serving several years in prison for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2005. Around a year and a half after this crime, then three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappeared from a nearby apartment complex.

According to the report, under certain conditions , convicts can leave the prison early - on probation - if they have served half of the sentence imposed. This time had come, so the prisoner had filed an application with the district court .

https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article235511287/Verdaechtiger-im-Fall-Maddie-bleibt-in-Haft.html

Just part of the appeals process to which he is entitled ~ who knows, perhaps European Court next.  He tried that before.

The interesting thing is that he has made no other appeals.
For example, complaining of the abrogation of his human rights to a higher German Court.  I think the German prosecutors know enough about German law to ensure the situation was never allowed to happen in the first instance despite blogosphere discussion to the contrary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 03, 2022, 10:26:37 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 03, 2022, 10:04:38 AM
Just part of the appeals process to which he is entitled ~ who knows, perhaps European Court next.  He tried that before.

The interesting thing is that he has made no other appeals.
For example, complaining of the abrogation of his human rights to a higher German Court.  I think the German prosecutors know enough about German law to ensure the situation was never allowed to happen in the first instance despite blogosphere discussion to the contrary.

I think pending charges and his history of running away have gone against him. I assume that a lack of MSM stories have led you to conclude no action has been taken regarding violation of his human rights? I wonder if they have just not heard about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 03, 2022, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 03, 2022, 10:26:37 AM
I think pending charges and his history of running away have gone against him. I assume that a lack of MSM stories have led you to conclude no action has been taken regarding violation of his human rights? I wonder if they have just not heard about it.

I think you are dreaming...court actions are public knowledge
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2022, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on June 03, 2022, 11:06:56 AM
I think you are dreaming...court actions are public knowledge

And this guy hasn't been backwards in coming forwards when it comes to mouthing off in letters to journalists et al.

If he was complaining - we most certainly would know about it.

For example, the lawyer who wouldn't trust him with his daughter has been instructed to take defamation action against a journalist who allegedly suggested he'd been cruel to his dogs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 09, 2022, 12:15:52 PM
Several mistakes here and there, but just about watchable I suppose if you like this type of thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Vq13xJuJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Vq13xJuJ4)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 09, 2022, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 09, 2022, 12:15:52 PM
Several mistakes here and there, but just about watchable I suppose if you like this type of thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Vq13xJuJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Vq13xJuJ4)

Thank you Myster, but tpoo many mistakes and one sided
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 09, 2022, 07:59:02 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 09, 2022, 07:06:20 PM
Thank you Myster, but tpoo many mistakes and one sided
Riddled with more inaccuracies than I originally thought; e.g. Brueckner's criminal friend gave the video camera he "stole" from him containing rape scenes to the police; JulianTotman was a local living in PdL who then metamorphosed into Smithman after Jane Tanner's sighting; et al. This kind of sloppy research and rushed analysis leads to myths being created, unfortunately.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2022, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: Admin on May 30, 2022, 02:55:11 PM
Bruckner is not a killer.

thats called opinion as fact...he may well be  a killer and you may well be totally wrong. If you are going to ignore forum rules dont expect others to adhere to them
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 14, 2022, 10:50:16 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2022, 07:10:32 PM
Well, I trust Sadie more than Wolters, he hasn't even seen what evidence she has.
?>)()<

I just have a gut feeling the Mr B knows something about what happened.
whether it was him or he got wind of it I can't be sure. However I do believe He is a nasty piece of work  for sure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2022, 01:37:42 PM
From sleuths, Caveat Olive Press.


https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2022/06/23/exclusive-madeleine-mccann-suspect-update-extradition-request-begins-in-italy-for-christian-brueckner-over-five-new-cases/
EXTRADITION proceedings are being launched to bring five new charges against Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner.

A German prosecutor confirmed this week that he is sending paperwork to officially extradite Brueckner from Italy, where he was last a free man, despite him actually being in a German jail.

Describing it as ‘a formality’, he told the Olive Press, that it would mean the German paedophile being charged with five new offences ‘within weeks’.

The crimes – three rapes and two child sex assaults – are expected to come to court in the early autumn.

“It’s only a formality and I hope it’s not a problem,” said Hans Christian Wolters, the chief prosecutor, in Braunschweig, where the Madeleine McCann case is being handled.

“I hope it will only be some weeks or a month,” he added. “I hope this year we will charge and prosecute him for these crimes. In total, three rapes and two child sex offences.”

A prosecution against Brueckner, 45, in the case of abducted Madeleine, who vanished in Portugal, in May, 2007, will follow immediately after.

Wolters revealed he was now seeking to prosecute Brueckner for two rapes in addition to the sadistic attack on an Irish woman, Hazel Behan, in Portugal, in 2004.

Both attacks – one on a teenager and the other on an elderly lady – took place around the same time on the Algarve.

While the victims have not yet been revealed, the evidence comes from two videos Brueckner allegedly made of the attacks, witnessed by his former friends Manfred Seyferth and Helge Busching.

“We hope the evidence of Helge and Manfred will be enough, although the charges would be easier if we had those videos,” said Wolters this week.

Brueckner is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman, Diana Menkes, in Praia da Luz, in 2005.

The convicted rapist filmed the long ordeal, in which he beat his victim before assaulting her, as he allegedly did during the rape of Behan, who was 20 at the time.

As well as the evidence of his former friends, one of his hairs was found at the scene of the crime.

Brueckner – who has a number of convictions for child sex assaults going back to his teens – was living less than a mile from the holiday home, where Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz, at the time.

German prosecutors hope to convict him in another case, in which a young German girl, 10, was sexually assaulted on nearby Zalema beach, less than a month before Maddie was abducted.

He is also accused of exposing himself to a group of children at a late night event, in Sao Bartolomeu de Messines, in 2017.

“We are extraditing him over the Joana.E case, as well as three children he sexually assaulted at a snail festival in Portugal in 2017,” continued Wolters.

He explained they needed to officially extradite Brueckner from Italy as he had last been arrested there in 2018, when he was accidentally freed from a German prison and fled there, via Holland among other countries.

He had been picked up by police in Milan in September 2018, after applying to the consulate there for a new passport.

At the time he was extradited to complete a prison sentence for drug smuggling, as well as face charges in the rape trial of Diana Menkes.

As the five charges this month are all new, the Germans need to put through another official application.

“We can’t charge him until we get the answer from Italy,” explained Wolters. “Italy was interested in extraditing him the last time, so we don’t expect it to be long.”

The move comes after a series of files of evidence in all five cases was officially sent to Brueckner’s lawyer Friedrich Fulscher, in Kiel, last month.

As is the legal process in Germany a suspect’s lawyer must be given up to three weeks to study the evidence, before he is officially charged.

Fulscher has now played the legal process card, which means the German prosecution must undertake the necessary step of officially extraditing him from Italy.

Fulscher has already attempted to pour cold water over the evidence in the Behan rape claiming on national German TV that the victim had wrongly placed a cross tattoo on one of his thighs

This is firmly denied by Behan’s lawyer, who has sent a legal letter demanding that Fulscher also desists from contacting his client directly, as he did by email in August 2020.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 23, 2022, 02:17:56 PM

I thought that Brueckner had already been found guilty of the original Rape Case, discovered by DNA Evidence.

But never mind, this isn't actually Murder.  Just the abuse of Minors and the occasional Rape.

This has got to be a good one to defend.  Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

I just hope that Brueckner doesn't get let loose again in a hurry.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2022, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 23, 2022, 02:17:56 PM
I thought that Brueckner had already been found guilty of the original Rape Case, discovered by DNA Evidence.

But never mind, this isn't actually Murder.  Just the abuse of Minors and the occasional Rape.

This has got to be a good one to defend.  Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

I just hope that Brueckner doesn't get let loose again in a hurry.

This is three more rape cases
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 23, 2022, 02:47:09 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on June 23, 2022, 02:29:28 PM
This is three more rape cases

Gosh.  What a surprise.  But not actually proven yet.

What can one say?  Brueckner is clearly dangerous on his past and proven record.

But I don't have a problem with those who wish to defend him.  They are those who have a problem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2022, 02:47:20 PM
I notice Wolters says he 'hopes' not he 'will'. I wonder why he's described as 'the chief prosecutor'? He's not a 'chief' in the Braunsweig Prosecutor's offices hierarchy, the Chief Prosecutor is Klaus Zugg.
https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 23, 2022, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2022, 02:47:20 PM
I notice Wolters says he 'hopes' not he 'will'. I wonder why he's described as 'the chief prosecutor'? He's not a 'chief' in the Braunsweig Prosecutor's offices hierarchy, the Chief Prosecutor is Klaus Zugg.
https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html

Golly Gosh.  Well done.  What does he have to say?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 23, 2022, 02:53:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 23, 2022, 02:47:20 PM
I notice Wolters says he 'hopes' not he 'will'. I wonder why he's described as 'the chief prosecutor'? He's not a 'chief' in the Braunsweig Prosecutor's offices hierarchy, the Chief Prosecutor is Klaus Zugg.
https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html

Same media-speak that had Amaral labelled as 'top cop', no doubt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2022, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 23, 2022, 02:17:56 PM
I thought that Brueckner had already been found guilty of the original Rape Case, discovered by DNA Evidence.

But never mind, this isn't actually Murder.  Just the abuse of Minors and the occasional Rape.

This has got to be a good one to defend.  Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

I just hope that Brueckner doesn't get let loose again in a hurry.
You rightly point out none of it has to do with Murder, either its low on priority or there just isn't enough or anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 23, 2022, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on June 23, 2022, 02:53:26 PM
Same media-speak that had Amaral labelled as 'top cop', no doubt.

The fault of someone else then.  Pass the buck.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 23, 2022, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 23, 2022, 02:58:46 PM
The fault of someone else then.  Pass the buck.

Thats what hierarchy is all about it never reaches the top.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 23, 2022, 04:35:48 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 23, 2022, 01:37:42 PM
From sleuths, Caveat Olive Press.


https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2022/06/23/exclusive-madeleine-mccann-suspect-update-extradition-request-begins-in-italy-for-christian-brueckner-over-five-new-cases/
EXTRADITION proceedings are being launched to bring five new charges against Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner.

A German prosecutor confirmed this week that he is sending paperwork to officially extradite Brueckner from Italy, where he was last a free man, despite him actually being in a German jail.

Describing it as ‘a formality’, he told the Olive Press, that it would mean the German paedophile being charged with five new offences ‘within weeks’.

The crimes – three rapes and two child sex assaults – are expected to come to court in the early autumn.

“It’s only a formality and I hope it’s not a problem,” said Hans Christian Wolters, the chief prosecutor, in Braunschweig, where the Madeleine McCann case is being handled.

“I hope it will only be some weeks or a month,” he added. “I hope this year we will charge and prosecute him for these crimes. In total, three rapes and two child sex offences.”

A prosecution against Brueckner, 45, in the case of abducted Madeleine, who vanished in Portugal, in May, 2007, will follow immediately after.

Wolters revealed he was now seeking to prosecute Brueckner for two rapes in addition to the sadistic attack on an Irish woman, Hazel Behan, in Portugal, in 2004.

Both attacks – one on a teenager and the other on an elderly lady – took place around the same time on the Algarve.

While the victims have not yet been revealed, the evidence comes from two videos Brueckner allegedly made of the attacks, witnessed by his former friends Manfred Seyferth and Helge Busching.

“We hope the evidence of Helge and Manfred will be enough, although the charges would be easier if we had those videos,” said Wolters this week.

Brueckner is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman, Diana Menkes, in Praia da Luz, in 2005.

The convicted rapist filmed the long ordeal, in which he beat his victim before assaulting her, as he allegedly did during the rape of Behan, who was 20 at the time.

As well as the evidence of his former friends, one of his hairs was found at the scene of the crime.

Brueckner – who has a number of convictions for child sex assaults going back to his teens – was living less than a mile from the holiday home, where Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz, at the time.

German prosecutors hope to convict him in another case, in which a young German girl, 10, was sexually assaulted on nearby Zalema beach, less than a month before Maddie was abducted.

He is also accused of exposing himself to a group of children at a late night event, in Sao Bartolomeu de Messines, in 2017.

“We are extraditing him over the Joana.E case, as well as three children he sexually assaulted at a snail festival in Portugal in 2017,” continued Wolters.

He explained they needed to officially extradite Brueckner from Italy as he had last been arrested there in 2018, when he was accidentally freed from a German prison and fled there, via Holland among other countries.

He had been picked up by police in Milan in September 2018, after applying to the consulate there for a new passport.

At the time he was extradited to complete a prison sentence for drug smuggling, as well as face charges in the rape trial of Diana Menkes.

As the five charges this month are all new, the Germans need to put through another official application.

“We can’t charge him until we get the answer from Italy,” explained Wolters. “Italy was interested in extraditing him the last time, so we don’t expect it to be long.”

The move comes after a series of files of evidence in all five cases was officially sent to Brueckner’s lawyer Friedrich Fulscher, in Kiel, last month.

As is the legal process in Germany a suspect’s lawyer must be given up to three weeks to study the evidence, before he is officially charged.

Fulscher has now played the legal process card, which means the German prosecution must undertake the necessary step of officially extraditing him from Italy.

Fulscher has already attempted to pour cold water over the evidence in the Behan rape claiming on national German TV that the victim had wrongly placed a cross tattoo on one of his thighs

This is firmly denied by Behan’s lawyer, who has sent a legal letter demanding that Fulscher also desists from contacting his client directly, as he did by email in August 2020.


"A prosecution against Brueckner, 45, in the case of abducted Madeleine, who vanished in Portugal, in May, 2007, will follow immediately after."


OMG, this is a MASSIVE breakthrough in the case!

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2022, 05:34:08 PM
Who is rooting for Bruckener not to face charges of rape and child abuse?  Anyone here?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 23, 2022, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2022, 05:34:08 PM
Who is rooting for Bruckener not to face charges of rape and child abuse?  Anyone here?

Me, I really like him, people should lay off him, he had a tough upbringing, & fine, the guy is a bit kinky, but he's different, that's all. We should be celebrating people of all sexual persuasions during pride month.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 23, 2022, 05:51:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 23, 2022, 02:47:09 PM
Gosh.  What a surprise.  But not actually proven yet.

What can one say?  Brueckner is clearly dangerous on his past and proven record.

But I don't have a problem with those who wish to defend him.  They are those who have a problem.

No one here actually supports him raping or child abusing, we just happen to see no good reason to believe he abducted/murdered Maddie, or that Maddie was ever abducted in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 23, 2022, 06:01:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 23, 2022, 02:47:09 PM
Gosh.  What a surprise.  But not actually proven yet.

What can one say?  Brueckner is clearly dangerous on his past and proven record.

But I don't have a problem with those who wish to defend him.  They are those who have a problem.

I don't believe anyone has actually defended him but accusing him of involvement in Maddie's murder without the slightest smidgen of tangible evidence was just idiotic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 23, 2022, 06:11:48 PM
Quote from: John on June 23, 2022, 06:01:41 PM
I don't believe anyone has actually defended him but accusing him of involvement in Maddie's murder without the slightest smidgen of tangible evidence was just idiotic.
Not the slightest smidgen of tangible evidence?  How do you know this?  Are you part of the German investigation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 23, 2022, 06:23:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2022, 06:11:48 PM
Not the slightest smidgen of tangible evidence?  How do you know this?  Are you part of the German investigation?

Because they've investigated him for 5 years & he isn't being charged anytime ever.

Or must we just assume the existence of credible evidence now?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 23, 2022, 06:53:49 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 23, 2022, 04:35:48 PM

"A prosecution against Brueckner, 45, in the case of abducted Madeleine, who vanished in Portugal, in May, 2007, will follow immediately after."


OMG, this is a MASSIVE breakthrough in the case!

Well spotted WS.  I missed that

Yep a massive breakthrough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 23, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 23, 2022, 06:53:49 PM
Well spotted WS.  I missed that

Yep a massive breakthrough.

Revealed exclusively to John Clarke no less.

I'm surprised this isn't headlining on the BBC already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 23, 2022, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 23, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
Revealed exclusively to John Clarke no less.

I'm surprised this isn't headlining on the BBC already.

I think they know better than to get involved
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 23, 2022, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 23, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
Revealed exclusively to John Clarke no less.

I'm surprised this isn't headlining on the BBC already.

Well done Jon Clarke as well.   He seems a pretty good slueth / investigator.   He seems to gave his finger on the button and get things right, which is a bit unusual with lots of the media journalists.

I must keep an eye on The Olive Press News
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 23, 2022, 08:21:26 PM
Quote from: sadie on June 23, 2022, 07:20:37 PM
Well done Jon Clarke as well.   He seems a pretty good slueth / investigator.   He seems to gave his finger on the button and get things right, which is a bit unusual with lots of the media journalists.

I must keep an eye on The Olive Press News
I agree, Sadie. Seems Jon Clarke has established good rapport with Herr Wolters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2022, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: Anthro on June 23, 2022, 08:21:26 PM
I agree, Sadie. Seems Jon Clarke has established good rapport with Herr Wolters.

Does Portugal have primacy though, status of an Arguido, CB is entitled to know what evidence is held against him.


The status of arguido (defendant) is granted when an inquiry has been opened or an investigation is led regarding a specific person, if there are grounds to suspect that such person has committed a criminal offence and when that person is heard by a judicial authority – Public Prosecutor or Examining Judge – or a criminal police body, or where a coercive or patrimonial guarantee measure must be imposed or the suspect is detained. When acquiring the status of arguido, the person benefits from a set of procedural rights and duties covered by law.

Under this status, the person is no longer a simple participant in proceedings, differently from the suspect who does not have a specific status, but is indeed a subject in court, and has the right to: be assisted by a defence counsel; attend all procedural acts that directly affect him; be heard in court or before the examining judge whenever they render a decision that may personally affect him; be informed on charges against him prior to making statements before any authority; take part in the inquiry (and in the examination – instrução - before the Examining Court) by providing evidence and requesting any measures found necessary; request the opening of the examination stage (instrução) where the Public Prosecutor has formally charged him, in order to challenge this decision and to prevent it from being submitted to a criminal court
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 24, 2022, 10:09:07 AM
As far as I'm aware, we don't know which alleged crime he's been made an Arguido for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2022, 10:15:00 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 24, 2022, 10:09:07 AM
As far as I'm aware, we don't know which alleged crime he's been made an Arguido for.

But if its in relation to Madeleine's disappearance then is he entitled to know what the BKA have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2022, 10:15:00 AM
But if its in relation to Madeleine's disappearance then is he entitled to know what the BKA have.

No he isn't.  He was made an Arguido in Portugal and not in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2022, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
No he isn't.  He was made an Arguido in Portugal and not in Germany.


Who has primacy ? according to the Olive Press extradition from Italy is required for the rape and child abuse cases where SOL have expired in Portugal, how is that going to work in the Madeleine case, A British subject allegedly killed in Portugal by a German national held in a German prison whose last country where he was considered a free man was Italy where papers need to be served to get extradition, you couldn't make it up.

IMO its a legal minefield and that is why if the BKA are so certain CB is the one it's taking so long and the lesser charges (not for the victims) are being dealt with, it might take all the time CB is jailed for to sort it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2022, 10:46:48 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2022, 10:26:52 AM

Who has primacy ? according to the Olive Press extradition from Italy is required for the rape and child abuse cases where SOL have expired in Portugal, how is that going to work in the Madeleine case, A British subject allegedly killed in Portugal by a German national held in a German prison whose last country where he was considered a free man was Italy where papers need to be served to get extradition, you couldn't make it up.

IMO its a legal minefield and that is why if the BKA are so certain CB is the one it's taking so long and the lesser charges (not for the victims) are being dealt with, it might take all the time CB is jailed for to sort it.

It seems the Germans are applying for extradition because of CB's lawyer;

Fulscher has now played the legal process card, which means the German prosecution must undertake the necessary step of officially extraditing him from Italy.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2022/06/23/exclusive-madeleine-mccann-suspect-update-extradition-request-begins-in-italy-for-christian-brueckner-over-five-new-cases/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 24, 2022, 10:46:48 AM
It seems the Germans are applying for extradition because of CB's lawyer;

Fulscher has now played the legal process card, which means the German prosecution must undertake the necessary step of officially extraditing him from Italy.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2022/06/23/exclusive-madeleine-mccann-suspect-update-extradition-request-begins-in-italy-for-christian-brueckner-over-five-new-cases/

What?  I thought Brueckner was in prison in Germany.  And I don't think they will be giving him back.  But then I doubt that Italy wants him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2022, 11:00:01 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 10:54:34 AM
What?  I thought Brueckner was in prison in Germany.  And I don't think they will be giving him back.  But then I doubt that Italy wants him.

I think legally the Germans have to officially extradite him to stand trial, thats how it reads, is it true though ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 24, 2022, 11:04:33 AM
It all seems rather strange. I can understand the original extradition problem as he was being charged for something
 other than what he was extradited for, but as he is now resident in Germany I can't see where Italy features any more. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2022, 11:00:01 AM
I think legally the Germans have to officially extradite him to stand trial, thats how it reads, is it true though ?

Perhaps Italy just sent him back anyway.  There is nothing to stop them from kicking him out.  Put him on a plane and then tell Germany which one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2022, 11:09:45 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 11:06:17 AM
Perhaps Italy just sent him back anyway.  There is nothing to stop them from kicking him out.  Put him on a plane and then tell Germany which one.

How can they , he's in a German prison.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2022, 11:14:00 AM
Quote from: jassi on June 24, 2022, 11:04:33 AM
It all seems rather strange. I can understand the original extradition problem as he was being charged for something
 other than what he was extradited for, but as he is now resident in Germany I can't see where Italy features any more.

Doesn't make a lot of sense does it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2022, 11:48:05 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2022, 11:14:00 AM
Doesn't make a lot of sense does it.

It doesn't, does it? I wonder if Fulscher is just using everything he can think of?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2022, 01:28:09 PM
Makes perfect sense... Can't be charged unless Italy agree..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2022, 03:21:36 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on June 24, 2022, 01:28:09 PM
Makes perfect sense... Can't be charged unless Italy agree..

So the concrete evidence doesn't pass Italian muster then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 24, 2022, 03:32:55 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2022, 03:21:36 PM
So the concrete evidence doesn't pass Italian muster then.
you haven't a clue have you? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 24, 2022, 03:59:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2022, 03:21:36 PM
So the concrete evidence doesn't pass Italian muster then.

I doubt they've seen it.. It's basically a box ticking exercise as most will understand
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 06:55:47 PM

Do we have to do this?  Brueckner is locked up for crimes he did commit.  In Portugal, wherein Portugal wasn't even interested.

This is the real crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2022, 07:01:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 06:55:47 PM
Do we have to do this?  Brueckner is locked up for crimes he did commit.  In Portugal, wherein Portugal wasn't even interested.

This is the real crime.

But he's the prime suspect in the murder of Madeleine according to the BKA, papers for that is not on the horizon imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 07:09:19 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2022, 07:01:23 PM
But he's the prime suspect in the murder of Madeleine according to the BKA, papers for that is not on the horizon imo.

And he won't be convicted unless The BKA can prove it.  Or is that not given?

I don't care about what The BKA have to say.  This will need to be proved.  As well they know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 24, 2022, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 07:09:19 PM
And he won't be convicted unless The BKA can prove it.  Or is that not given?

I don't care about what The BKA have to say.  This will need to be proved.  As well they know.

Good at least with have an accord on that , hopefully it'll stay quiet on that front until the BKA have something worthy of legal papers being served or not as the case maybe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 24, 2022, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 24, 2022, 07:11:29 PM
Good at least with have an accord on that , hopefully it'll stay quiet on that front until the BKA have something worthy of legal papers being served or not as the case maybe.

As I have always said.

Such a pity that The Mccanns weren't afforded the same courtesy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 27, 2022, 03:10:38 PM
Latest CNN documentary. https://youtu.be/EkUQBZnbMto
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 27, 2022, 04:04:22 PM
Quote from: John on June 23, 2022, 06:01:41 PM
I don't believe anyone has actually defended him but accusing him of involvement in Maddie's murder without the slightest smidgen of tangible evidence was just idiotic.

I agree with you john...it woud be totally idiotic to accuse CB without a smidgen of evidence but...

I dont think Wolters and the BKA are idiots...do you have  asmidgen of evidence they are. As I recall Wolters has just overseen a case of a no body and only circumstantial evidence where tha caccused was founf guilty of murder.

I dont think for a second hes an idiot and thats one of the reasons why Im convinced he has the evidence he claims. Evidence he says, that if we saw it...we too would be 100% certain that CB murdered maddie
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2022, 04:09:47 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on June 27, 2022, 04:04:22 PM
I agree with you john...it woud be totally idiotic to accuse CB without a smidgen of evidence but...

I dont think Wolters and the BKA are idiots...do you have  asmidgen of evidence they are. As I recall Wolters has just overseen a case of a no body and only circumstantial evidence where tha caccused was founf guilty of murder.

I dont think for a second hes an idiot and thats one of the reasons why Im convinced he has the evidence he claims. Evidence he says, that if we saw it...we too would be 100% certain that CB murdered maddie

But not a court of law though, a court might not be 100% convinced by the evidence.
He must think we're idiots.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 27, 2022, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2022, 04:09:47 PM
But not a court of law though, a court might not be 100% convinced by the evidence.
He must think we're idiots.

Indeed the court of public opinion counts for nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 27, 2022, 04:39:40 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2022, 04:09:47 PM
But not a court of law though, a court might not be 100% convinced by the evidence.
He must think we're idiots.

he might well think you are an idiot if he saw your posts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 27, 2022, 04:53:09 PM
Quote from: Anthro on June 27, 2022, 03:10:38 PM
Latest CNN documentary. https://youtu.be/EkUQBZnbMto

interviewer....lets get this clear...you wouldnt come out and say MM is dead if there was a chance she is still alive...correct?

HCW.....Yes
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2022, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on June 27, 2022, 04:53:09 PM
interviewer....lets get this clear...you wouldnt come out and say MM is dead if there was a chance she is still alive...correct?

HCW.....Yes

As that been in doubt since the get go ? thing is he can't place CB in Luz so who dunnit, this alleged abduction I mean.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 28, 2022, 10:04:00 AM
"... since the get go"?!!!  What sort of Yankee talk is that?  We'll have no fancy Americanisms here, ta very much!

Off to tie up me toms.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2022, 10:39:58 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 28, 2022, 10:04:00 AM
"... since the get go"?!!!  What sort of Yankee talk is that?  We'll have no fancy Americanisms here, ta very much!

Off to tie up me toms.

Nothing like home grown Toms, yep you've guessed it, this is nothing like them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2022, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 28, 2022, 10:04:00 AM
"... since the get go"?!!!  What sort of Yankee talk is that?  We'll have no fancy Americanisms here, ta very much!

Off to tie up me toms.
sock it to 'im baby!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 28, 2022, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2022, 09:15:47 AM
As that been in doubt since the get go ? thing is he can't place IN in Luz so who dunnit, this alleged abduction I mean.

You don't understand there is absolutely no need to place CB in luz.. Proof of murder is all he needs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2022, 02:39:15 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on June 28, 2022, 12:44:54 PM
You don't understand there is absolutely no need to place CB in luz.. Proof of murder is all he needs

Dream on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2022, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2022, 02:39:15 PM
Dream on.
No need to dream.  Consider this.  If Suzy Lamplugh's body  turned up under the patio of a house once occupied by John Cannan would the police have to prove he'd been in South West London the day she disappeared before pressing charges? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 28, 2022, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2022, 02:47:57 PM
No need to dream.  Consider this. If Suzy Lamplugh's body  turned up under the patio of a house once occupied by John Cannan would the police have to prove he'd been in South West London the day she disappeared before pressing charges?
In all likely hood yes, that was how they got Black for the murders by various receipts showing he was there when the girls disappeared.


Consider this , did Cannan actually have any thing to do with it .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 28, 2022, 03:51:26 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2022, 02:39:15 PM
Dream on.
I think your logic is ridiculously poor.  So you think if they can prove murder CB can say he wasn't in Luz that evening..

They don't have to prove anything else if they can prove murder.. That's a fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 28, 2022, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: barrier on June 28, 2022, 03:36:00 PM
In all likely hood yes, that was how they got Black for the murders by various receipts showing he was there when the girls disappeared.


Consider this , did Cannan actually have any thing to do with it .
So you don't think the police would be able to press charges on a suspect whose suspected victim turns up buried on his property, unless they can prove exactly where he was when the the victim went missing?  If Suzy Lamplugh's body turned up in a place known to have been used by or lived in by John Cannan would you think he had nothing to do with it?  That it was mere coincidence that the police's prime suspect in her disappearance happened to have lived in or frequented the exact same spot her body was found?  Seriously? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 29, 2022, 12:10:39 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on June 28, 2022, 03:51:26 PM
I think your logic is ridiculously poor.  So you think if they can prove murder CB can say he wasn't in Luz that evening..

They don't have to prove anything else if they can prove murder.. That's a fact

It seems to me that they don’t have enough evidence to charge him never mind actually prove their allegations in court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2022, 09:37:46 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 28, 2022, 04:33:21 PM
So you don't think the police would be able to press charges on a suspect whose suspected victim turns up buried on his property, unless they can prove exactly where he was when the the victim went missing?  If Suzy Lamplugh's body turned up in a place known to have been used by or lived in by John Cannan would you think he had nothing to do with it?  That it was mere coincidence that the police's prime suspect in her disappearance happened to have lived in or frequented the exact same spot her body was found?  Seriously?

Have you considered Cannan is not responsible or are you a sheeple like in the McCann case.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 29, 2022, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2022, 09:37:46 AM
Have you considered Cannan is not responsible or are you a sheeple like in the McCann case.
Insulting.  Of course I have considered that possibility.  I was posing a “what if” scenario that you seem incapable of answering.  Would you consider that he was not responsible if the body turned up on a property he once resided at?   Would that simply be coincidental in your view?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2022, 09:45:17 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on June 28, 2022, 03:51:26 PM
I think your logic is ridiculously poor.  So you think if they can prove murder CB can say he wasn't in Luz that evening..

They don't have to prove anything else if they can prove murder.. That's a fact

So your saying they can pitch in to an investigation with out giving any consideration in how a victim and suspect came together ?

April Jones was seen getting into Bridger's vehicle, Roy Whiting's car was seen in the area that Sarah Payne was abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 29, 2022, 09:57:45 AM
Quote from: barrier on June 29, 2022, 09:45:17 AM
So your saying they can pitch in to an investigation with out giving any consideration in how a victim and suspect came together ?

April Jones was seen getting into Bridger's vehicle, Roy Whiting's car was seen in the area that Sarah Payne was abducted.

I'm saying as s fact that as long as they show they did come together they don't need to have evidence of how it happened to prove murder
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 29, 2022, 12:59:31 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on June 29, 2022, 09:57:45 AM
I'm saying as s fact that as long as they show they did come together they don't need to have evidence of how it happened to prove murder

There's no forensics to link them after the parting of their way's, so all in all, nowt to serve papers over.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2022, 03:38:54 PM
I've been away.
Have I missed anything?

How's the case against Brueckner going?

Has Wolters revealed the concrete evidence yet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 11, 2022, 03:48:17 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2022, 03:38:54 PM
I've been away.
Have I missed anything?

How's the case against Brueckner going?

Has Wolters revealed the concrete evidence yet?

No but its moved on from Amaral to T Bennett, exciting yeah, bet you're glad to be back, I expect admin will give you the curtesy of a welcome back like another who was away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2022, 06:44:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 11, 2022, 03:48:17 PM
No but its moved on from Amaral to T Bennett, exciting yeah, bet you're glad to be back, I expect admin will give you the curtesy of a welcome back like another who was away.
Trolls are never welcome, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2022, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2022, 06:44:44 PM
Trolls are never welcome, imo.

Whether or not someone is a troll is "Merely" your opinion imo.

Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2022, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 11, 2022, 07:11:57 PM
Whether or not someone is a troll is "Merely" your opinion imo.

Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial.
Even Spam admits he’s a troll so not sure what you’re arguing about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2022, 08:40:32 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 11, 2022, 07:27:16 PM
Even Spam admits he’s a troll so not sure what you’re arguing about.

Nope, I'm a WUM.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2022, 08:45:16 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 11, 2022, 03:48:17 PM
No but its moved on from Amaral to T Bennett, exciting yeah, bet you're glad to be back, I expect admin will give you the curtesy of a welcome back like another who was away.

Yeah, I think I'll just go back to tending the greenhouse & garden this summer. Got plenty of lovely cucumbers at the moment & the tomato crop this year looks set to be huge. The water butts have ran dry though, so going to have to take a bucket into the shower with me every day, I'm very averse to using the hose pipe because I'm a tight git.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 12, 2022, 08:33:47 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 11, 2022, 08:45:16 PM
Yeah, I think I'll just go back to tending the greenhouse & garden this summer. Got plenty of lovely cucumbers at the moment & the tomato crop this year looks set to be huge. The water butts have ran dry though, so going to have to take a bucket into the shower with me every day, I'm very averse to using the hose pipe because I'm a tight git.

Please post On Topic, thanks
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 12, 2022, 10:12:45 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 12, 2022, 08:33:47 AM
Please post On Topic, thanks

OK, how's the case against Brueckner going?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 12, 2022, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 12, 2022, 10:12:45 AM
OK, how's the case against Brueckner going?

Is there one .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
It’s like travelling with children in the back of the car, constantly whingeing “are we there yet?”. Patience, babies!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 12, 2022, 10:47:32 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
It’s like travelling with children in the back of the car, constantly whingeing “are we there yet?”. Patience, babies!

Tick Tock & all that.

Wolters is going to blow the case wide open any day now, just wait & see!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 12, 2022, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 12, 2022, 10:47:32 AM
Tick Tock & all that.

Wolters is going to blow the case wide open any day now, just wait & see!

I know, I know, call me soft if you like but I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for old Wolters. Has it been two years already since that hopeful press conference? 

There’s nothing more embarrassing than over-promising and under-delivering.

If only he’d listened to Amaral when he said that justice works in silence.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 12, 2022, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on July 12, 2022, 11:04:05 AM
I know, I know, call me soft if you like but I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for old Wolters. Has it been two years already since that hopeful press conference? 

There’s nothing more embarrassing than over-promising and under-delivering.

If only he’d listened to Amaral when he said that justice works in silence.

Amaral and Silence don't compute.  But you already know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 12, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on July 12, 2022, 11:04:05 AM
I know, I know, call me soft if you like but I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for old Wolters. Has it been two years already since that hopeful press conference? 

There’s nothing more embarrassing than over-promising and under-delivering.

If only he’d listened to Amaral when he said that justice works in silence.

Doesn't time fly? The MSM have lost interest now it seems.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2022, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 12, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
Doesn't time fly? The MSM have lost interest now it seems.
Virtually every time you repeat this mantra there is a big burst of news to prove you wrong.  Sometimes waiting and seeing is the best course of action.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2022, 11:23:21 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on July 12, 2022, 11:04:05 AM
I know, I know, call me soft if you like but I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for old Wolters. Has it been two years already since that hopeful press conference? 

There’s nothing more embarrassing than over-promising and under-delivering.

If only he’d listened to Amaral when he said that justice works in silence.
You’re soft.  I’d like to expand on that but it’s probably for the best if I don’t.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2022, 11:26:42 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 12, 2022, 11:11:33 AM
Amaral and Silence don't compute.  But you already know that.
Senor Blabbermouth and his incontinent lies, as if anyone should be taking advice from that twerp.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 12, 2022, 11:31:28 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2022, 11:26:42 AM
Senor Blabbermouth and his incontinent lies, as if anyone should be taking advice from that twerp.

It sounds like Interfering with the Course of Justice to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 12, 2022, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 12, 2022, 11:31:28 AM
It sounds like Interfering with the Course of Justice to me.

Keeping silent while you investigate?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 12, 2022, 11:40:35 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on July 12, 2022, 11:34:45 AM
Keeping silent while you investigate?

But he didn't, did he.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 12, 2022, 12:06:00 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on July 12, 2022, 11:34:45 AM
Keeping silent while you investigate?

Who knows what an appeal for information might have revealed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 12, 2022, 12:18:34 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 12, 2022, 10:47:32 AM
Tick Tock & all that.

Wolters is going to blow the case wide open any day now, just wait & see!

He's going to prove CB raped the Irish woman that in turn will mean he killed Madeleine, it all adds up, patience .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 12, 2022, 12:19:44 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
It’s like travelling with children in the back of the car, constantly whingeing “are we there yet?”. Patience, babies!

Polite suggestion stick with your signature .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 12, 2022, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2022, 11:21:33 AM
Virtually every time you repeat this mantra there is a big burst of news to prove you wrong.  Sometimes waiting and seeing is the best course of action.

Yeah, there will probably be something in The Olive Press soon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 12, 2022, 01:25:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 12, 2022, 11:40:35 AM
But he didn't, did he.

British people paid no attention to Portuguese law because they weren't in that country. One ill-advised sentence and Amaral was gone from the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 12, 2022, 03:11:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 12, 2022, 12:18:34 PM
He's going to prove CB raped the Irish woman that in turn will mean he killed Madeleine, it all adds up, patience .

That could well be spot on...I wont bother expalining what the connection is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2022, 03:25:29 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 12, 2022, 12:19:44 PM
Polite suggestion stick with your signature .
I don’t consider you a troll.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 12, 2022, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 12, 2022, 01:25:01 PM
British people paid no attention to Portuguese law because they weren't in that country. One ill-advised sentence and Amaral was gone from the investigation.

So Amaral wasn't leaking lies to Sandra F?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 12, 2022, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 12, 2022, 03:26:04 PM
So Amaral wasn't leaking lies to Sandra F?

If memory serves me well he was actually having a flakey about evidence received by the Prince of Wales office and forwarded to the Portuguese investigation.

I believe details were given accusing a former employee of a revenge abduction because s/he had been.
sacked by the holiday company for theft.
Extraordinarily that was sufficient to cause a tired and emotional Amaral to blow a gasket and make remarks to a journalist in public which could perhaps have precipitated a diplomatic incident.

His friend and fellow author Cristovao also edited a newspaper which quite often quoted "a source close to the investigation".  Can't really get much closer than the 'office boy' who knows where the bodies are buried.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 12, 2022, 05:48:59 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on July 12, 2022, 11:04:05 AM
I know, I know, call me soft if you like but I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for old Wolters. Has it been two years already since that hopeful press conference? 

There’s nothing more embarrassing than over-promising and under-delivering.

If only he’d listened to Amaral when he said that justice works in silence.


 (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 12, 2022, 06:19:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 12, 2022, 03:26:04 PM
So Amaral wasn't leaking lies to Sandra F?

I've no idea. What lies did he leak?



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 12, 2022, 06:22:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 12, 2022, 06:19:45 PM
I've no idea. What lies did he leak?
Something about 100% match to Madeleine’s DNA wasn’t it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 12, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2022, 06:22:28 PM
Something about 100% match to Madeleine’s DNA wasn’t it?

Did she work for SIC? They seemed to break the story on 10th September;

Police told Portugal's SIC television that two out of three test results on samples found in the boot of the Renault Scenic showed they undoubtedly belonged to Madeleine, who went missing from a Praia da Luz holiday resort on May 3.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/11/ukcrime.internationalcrime
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 12, 2022, 10:01:05 PM
From WS.

Click to expand...HCW "We are building a picture of Christian B and the methods he uses to commit his crimes. There are parallels with the case of the American tourist who was raped, the attack on Hazel Behan, and the abduction and murder of Madeleine McCann."

from the above article.

so clearly it has to do with MO.

also from the times article which is paywalled he says that if CB is convicted of HB rape, a charge for MM will follow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 13, 2022, 05:59:41 PM

Police eye breakthrough in Madeleine McCann case as analysis of chief suspect underway
MADELEINE MCCANN suspect Christian Brueckner's physical examination has been carried out by German police, according to a public prosecutor...

Mr Wolters told a press conference on Friday that Mr Brueckner's defence lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, still has time to comment on those additional, alleged offences, before a decision on charges will be made.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1639451/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-physical-examination-latest

So it's not yet decided whether charges will follow, it seems.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 13, 2022, 06:06:35 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 13, 2022, 05:59:41 PM
Police eye breakthrough in Madeleine McCann case as analysis of chief suspect underway
MADELEINE MCCANN suspect Christian Brueckner's physical examination has been carried out by German police, according to a public prosecutor...

Mr Wolters told a press conference on Friday that Mr Brueckner's defence lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, still has time to comment on those additional, alleged offences, before a decision on charges will be made.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1639451/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-physical-examination-latest

So it's not yet decided whether charges will follow, it seems.

I think a judge determines the merits of the case and decides if it can proceed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 13, 2022, 06:07:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 13, 2022, 05:59:41 PM
Police eye breakthrough in Madeleine McCann case as analysis of chief suspect underway
MADELEINE MCCANN suspect Christian Brueckner's physical examination has been carried out by German police, according to a public prosecutor...

Mr Wolters told a press conference on Friday that Mr Brueckner's defence lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, still has time to comment on those additional, alleged offences, before a decision on charges will be made.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1639451/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-physical-examination-latest

So it's not yet decided whether charges will follow, it seems.
Haha, I just love being proved right - what was it you were saying about it all having gone quiet, and me reminding you that every time you say that there's news about the case almost immediately afterwards?  (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 13, 2022, 06:46:01 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 13, 2022, 05:59:41 PM
Police eye breakthrough in Madeleine McCann case as analysis of chief suspect underway
MADELEINE MCCANN suspect Christian Brueckner's physical examination has been carried out by German police, according to a public prosecutor...

Mr Wolters told a press conference on Friday that Mr Brueckner's defence lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, still has time to comment on those additional, alleged offences, before a decision on charges will be made.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1639451/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-physical-examination-latest

So it's not yet decided whether charges will follow, it seems.

Or it might just be which charges.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 13, 2022, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 13, 2022, 06:06:35 PM
I think a judge determines the merits of the case and decides if it can proceed.

Yes. Maybe that's why they decided to try to get some more evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 13, 2022, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 13, 2022, 06:46:01 PM
Or it might just be which charges.

I see no need to speculate.
All will become clear in time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 13, 2022, 07:17:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 13, 2022, 06:58:29 PM
Yes. Maybe that's why they decided to try to get some more evidence.

Yes.... Could well be they were not just looking at VBs thigh.
Maybe looking for something to connect to a photo that doesn't show CBs face.  Vein patterns on hands  are like fingerprints
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 13, 2022, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 13, 2022, 07:16:57 PM
I see no need to speculate.
All will become clear in time.

Lol.. After 15 yrs of speculation
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 13, 2022, 07:32:02 PM
15 years/? Not by me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 13, 2022, 08:02:27 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 13, 2022, 07:16:57 PM
I see no need to speculate.
All will become clear in time.

I am not speculating.  Merely pointing out that there's more ways than one to skin a cat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2022, 04:34:07 PM

Testing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 19, 2022, 08:10:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 19, 2022, 04:34:07 PM
Testing.
Everyone who’s anyone has migrated to Websleuths where the discussion  is a little more serious and intelligent than it is on here, there they don’t tolerate WUMs nor suffer fools gladly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2022, 09:21:24 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 19, 2022, 08:10:31 PM
Everyone who’s anyone has migrated to Websleuths where the discussion  is a little more serious and intelligent than it is on here, there they don’t tolerate WUMs nor suffer fools gladly.

Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 19, 2022, 09:35:19 PM
Websleuths seems to consist of little more than superstition and wishful thinking - IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2022, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 19, 2022, 09:35:19 PM
Websleuths seems to consist of little more than superstition and wishful thinking - IMO.

I will be around if you want to discuss anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 19, 2022, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 19, 2022, 09:35:19 PM
Websleuths seems to consist of little more than superstition and wishful thinking - IMO.
superstition??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 19, 2022, 11:23:35 PM

Horses for Courses I say.  I suppose it depends on what you prefer.  Although there is probably room for both.

I don't suppose there is anything new on The German Suspect is there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:21:59 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 19, 2022, 08:10:31 PM
Everyone who’s anyone has migrated to Websleuths where the discussion  is a little more serious and intelligent than it is on here, there they don’t tolerate WUMs nor suffer fools gladly.

Have the sleuths there managed to uncover any credible evidence Maddie was abducted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 20, 2022, 01:34:01 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:21:59 AM
Have the sleuths there managed to uncover any credible evidence Maddie was abducted?

Don't know about them, but I have.

Shame that I can't share.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:37:50 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 19, 2022, 11:23:35 PM
Horses for Courses I say.  I suppose it depends on what you prefer.  Although there is probably room for both.

I don't suppose there is anything new on The German Suspect is there?

Why, yes.

Brueckner underwent a physical examination. This was in relation to the Hazel Behan rape case, but of course, it's also a massive breakthrough in the Maddie case, because they were looking for his distinctive thread veins which are visible in the paedo photo of Maddie,  which Wolters doesn’t actually have & doesn’t even exist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 20, 2022, 07:56:26 AM
On this forum you get silly bickering provoked mainly by the resident WUM (who frequently has to endure forced periods of silence owing to his crass stupidity).  .  On Websleuths they don’t tolerate WUMs so you get a higher level of discussion.   That’s why this forum is pretty much dead now and that one is extremely active.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 20, 2022, 07:56:26 AM
On this forum you get silly bickering provoked mainly by the resident WUM (who frequently has to endure forced periods of silence owing to his crass stupidity).  .  On Websleuths they don’t tolerate WUMs so you get a higher level of discussion.   That’s why this forum is pretty much dead now and that one is extremely active.

On websleuths its a forgone conclusion Maddie was abducted.
Here we take a more realistic approach.
So I can quite see why you prefer websleuths rather than reality, being certain as you are that Maddie was definitely abducted, despite the total absence of abduction evidence.
So bye then, go back to abduction fantasy land why don't you & just get back to us when you've sleuthed your way into finding evidence of abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 20, 2022, 09:11:10 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 08:16:50 AM
On websleuths its a forgone conclusion Maddie was abducted.
Here we take a more realistic approach.
So I can quite see why you prefer websleuths rather than reality, being certain as you are that Maddie was definitely abducted, despite the total absence of abduction evidence.
So bye then, go back to abduction fantasy land why don't you & just get back to us when you've sleuthed your way into finding evidence of abduction.

No amount of sleuthing brought CB into the mix including that of OG , a bestest mate dobbed him in it , its been catch up ever since .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 20, 2022, 09:33:11 AM
You see, even Barrier manages to  up his game over on WS, over here he just repeats the same old tired mantras.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 09:36:41 AM
It depends on how you see the evidence in the case.  Evidence does support abduction..
For me it's clear Wolters has absolute proof of abduction.
I wonder what it will take before some sceptivs will accept they are wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 09:53:19 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 09:36:41 AM
It depends on how you see the evidence in the case.  Evidence does support abduction..
For me it's clear Wolters has absolute proof of abduction.
I wonder what it will take before some sceptivs will accept they are wrong

How about some sort of credible evidence Maddie was abducted, if you know of any, care to share it?

Or, perhaps, if that's too difficult a task for you, how about some credible evidence Brueckner murdered Maddie, have you got any of that ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 20, 2022, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 09:36:41 AM
It depends on how you see the evidence in the case.  Evidence does support abduction..
For me it's clear Wolters has absolute proof of abduction.
I wonder what it will take before some sceptivs will accept they are wrong
My bet is - nothing.  Any conclusive proof of abduction is bound to be rejected for some convoluted conspiracy-based reason, you can count on that at least.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 20, 2022, 09:33:11 AM
You see, even Barrier manages to  up his game over on WS, over here he just repeats the same old tired mantras.

The tired old mantra of no abduction evidence, you mean?

You could just share all the abduction evidence with the forum & put an end to it once & for all.

I wonder why you don't just do that?

It's because there just isn't any, isn't it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 20, 2022, 09:55:03 AM
My bet is - nothing.  Any conclusive proof of abduction is bound to be rejected for some convoluted conspiracy-based reason, you can count on that at least.

Well share all the evidence with the forum then & let's see if you're right.

Why not just do that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:08:01 AM

Since none of the forum sleuths are willing to grasp the nettle, how about I start.

List of abduction evidence:

1) The McCanns claim Maddie was abducted.

2) Someone said that Brueckner said he knew all about what happened to Maddie.

I can't see anymore than that, but do feel free to add to the list with the wealth of abduction knowledge you've since discovered over on websleuths.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 20, 2022, 10:14:03 AM
As an observer on WS, two things in particular amuse me.

First is the absolute conviction that because Brueckner has been convicted of other, unrelated crimes, he MUST therefore be responsible for Madeleine's demise - this without any credible evidence at all being in the public domain.
Move over Amaral, Brueckner has supplanted you as the devil incarnate

second is the obsessive poring over the minutiae of Brueckner's life, presumably in the belief that this is going to lead  to the elusive breakthrough that will solve the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:20:56 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 20, 2022, 10:14:03 AM
As an observer on WS, two things in particular amuse me.

First is the absolute conviction that because Brueckner has been convicted of other, unrelated crimes, he MUST therefore be responsible for Madeleine's demise - this without any credible evidence at all being in the public domain.
Move over Amaral, Brueckner has supplanted you as the devil incarnate

second is the obsessive poring over the minutiae of Brueckner's life, presumably in the belief that this is going to lead  to the elusive breakthrough that will solve the case.

I went there for 2 minutes once.
Some idiot was posting that Brueckner could have abducted Joana.
Says it all really.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:22:42 AM

But it's VS's favourite forum now  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:25:11 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 20, 2022, 10:14:03 AM
As an observer on WS, two things in particular amuse me.

First is the absolute conviction that because Brueckner has been convicted of other, unrelated crimes, he MUST therefore be responsible for Madeleine's demise - this without any credible evidence at all being in the public domain.
Move over Amaral, Brueckner has supplanted you as the devil incarnate

second is the obsessive poring over the minutiae of Brueckner's life, presumably in the belief that this is going to lead  to the elusive breakthrough that will solve the case.

P.S   Wolters has already solved it, if you're davel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 20, 2022, 10:29:16 AM
It appears the WUM is in overdrive, making up for lost time I guess. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:35:03 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 20, 2022, 10:29:16 AM
It appears the WUM is in overdrive, making up for lost time I guess.

Maybe you should reflect on why it's so damn easy for me to rip the piss out of you with regards to 'the abduction'.
Think about that for a minute.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 20, 2022, 10:36:08 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 20, 2022, 10:14:03 AM
As an observer on WS, two things in particular amuse me.

First is the absolute conviction that because Brueckner has been convicted of other, unrelated crimes, he MUST therefore be responsible for Madeleine's demise - this without any credible evidence at all being in the public domain.
Move over Amaral, Brueckner has supplanted you as the devil incarnate

second is the obsessive poring over the minutiae of Brueckner's life, presumably in the belief that this is going to lead  to the elusive breakthrough that will solve the case.
You need to remove your fogged up sceptacles (see what I did there) and look again.  I don't see anyone there saying he MUST be responsible for Madeleine's demise, and if there is to be a breakthrough in this case then presumably obsessive poring is one route to achieving this (though this is better achieved by those with access to and full possession of all the known facts and evidence).  As for Bruckner being the devil incarnate - again, I see no one on WS saying this, but he's not a very nice man (though you probably admire him, after all it was only a bit of kiddie fiddling and the old woman was prbably asking for it).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 09:58:09 AM
The tired old mantra of no abduction evidence, you mean?

You could just share all the abduction evidence with the forum & put an end to it once & for all.

I wonder why you don't just do that?

It's because there just isn't any, isn't it.

I've explained fully before and have no intention of doing it again. I don't give a toss what you think or believe

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 10:38:05 AM
I've explained fully before and have no intention of doing it again. I don't give a toss what you think or believe

Just get back to me when Wolters reveals the concrete evidence won't you.
Shouldn't be much longer now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 10:41:36 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 20, 2022, 10:14:03 AM
As an observer on WS, two things in particular amuse me.

First is the absolute conviction that because Brueckner has been convicted of other, unrelated crimes, he MUST therefore be responsible for Madeleine's demise - this without any credible evidence at all being in the public domain.
Move over Amaral, Brueckner has supplanted you as the devil incarnate

second is the obsessive poring over the minutiae of Brueckner's life, presumably in the belief that this is going to lead  to the elusive breakthrough that will solve the case.
Looks like you aren't really understanding what's going on. CB will only be convicted on concrete evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:40:29 AM
Just get back to me when Wolters reveals the concrete evidence won't you.
Shouldn't be much longer now.

A sensible post.. For once
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:49:47 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 10:41:36 AM
Looks like you aren't really understanding what's going on. CB will only be convicted on concrete evidence.

I'm pretty sure he'd need to be charged first.

When is that happening?

Can't be long, considering the concrete evidence against him.

What was that again, oh yeah, that's right, it's just weak as piss hearsay isn't it, & a photo you've imagined into existence, in your own mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:49:47 AM
I'm pretty sure he'd need to be charged first.

When is that happening?

Can't be long, considering the concrete evidence against him.

What was that again, oh yeah, that's right, it's just weak as piss hearsay isn't it, & a photo you've imagined into existence, in your own mind.
Whatever you like... It's not important
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 20, 2022, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: jassi on July 20, 2022, 10:14:03 AM
As an observer on WS, two things in particular amuse me.

First is the absolute conviction that because Brueckner has been convicted of other, unrelated crimes, he MUST therefore be responsible for Madeleine's demise - this without any credible evidence at all being in the public domain.
Move over Amaral, Brueckner has supplanted you as the devil incarnate

second is the obsessive poring over the minutiae of Brueckner's life, presumably in the belief that this is going to lead  to the elusive breakthrough that will solve the case.

I must agree, it would appear that the Germans wil do everything they can to pin the Madeleine disappearance on Brückner at all costs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 20, 2022, 11:13:07 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:20:56 AM
I went there for 2 minutes once.
Some idiot was posting that Brueckner could have abducted Joana.
Says it all really.  @)(++(*

Brueckner could have abducted Joanna.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 20, 2022, 11:15:01 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:35:03 AM
Maybe you should reflect on why it's so damn easy for me to rip the piss out of you with regards to 'the abduction'.
Think about that for a minute.

I would watch what you are Posting if I was you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: John on July 20, 2022, 11:09:53 AM
I must agree, it would appear that the Germans wil do everything they can to pin the Madeleine disappearance on Brückner at all costs.

they wont be able to pin it on him...he will only be  convicted if the evidence proves his involvement
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 20, 2022, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 20, 2022, 09:11:10 AM
No amount of sleuthing brought CB into the mix including that of OG , a bestest mate dobbed him in it , its been catch up ever since .

It was the tireless efforts of Madeleine's parents which ultimately brought Brueckner's name into the mix.  They made sure the authorities started investigating; with the active assistance and co-operation of Operation Grange they ensured publicity for Madeleine continued throughout.

" ... and Gerry told the programme: ‘It’s great the police are working so hard but we need the support of the public.’ and as you have so rightly pointed out that is precisely what happened as far back as 2013 and again in 2017.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 11:41:19 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 20, 2022, 11:24:58 AM
It was the tireless efforts of Madeleine's parents which ultimately brought Brueckner's name into the mix.  They made sure the authorities started investigating; with the active assistance and co-operation of Operation Grange they ensured publicity for Madeleine continued throughout.

" ... and Gerry told the programme: ‘It’s great the police are working so hard but we need the support of the public.’ and as you have so rightly pointed out that is precisely what happened as far back as 2013 and again in 2017.


Brueckner didn't become a suspect until Busching got nicked for people trafficking.

There wasn't any evidence against him before Buschings inadmissible hearsay, & there still isn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 20, 2022, 11:15:01 AM
I would watch what you are Posting if I was you.

Why?  What are you going to do, cry?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 20, 2022, 11:13:07 AM
Brueckner could have abducted Joanna.

If she hadn't already been murdered by her mother & uncle, perhaps, but she was murdered by her mother & uncle, & there isn't a shred of evidence she was abducted, a bit like Maddie really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 20, 2022, 11:48:14 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 11:42:33 AM
Why?  What are you going to do, cry?

Just a friendly warning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 20, 2022, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 11:41:19 AM

Brueckner didn't become a suspect until Busching got nicked for people trafficking.

There wasn't any evidence against him before Buschings inadmissible hearsay, & there still isn't.

And I don't supposed he'd paid any attention to McCann in his life.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 20, 2022, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: John on July 20, 2022, 11:09:53 AM
I must agree, it would appear that the Germans wil do everything they can to pin the Madeleine disappearance on Brückner at all costs.
Everything?  At ALL costs?  Such as?  And why?  If they were intent on pinning it on him why haven’t they fabricated evidence and charged him then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 20, 2022, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 11:41:19 AM

Brueckner didn't become a suspect until Busching got nicked for people trafficking.

There wasn't any evidence against him before Buschings inadmissible hearsay, & there still isn't.

I think you are rewriting history there, Spam.  Worth remembering that 'Supersleuths' is not the only forum which demands a certain standard of posting from its members.  We demand that also.  Perhaps you can make a start to getting back on track by adhering to the rule regarding 'opinion' and the necessity for posting cites.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 20, 2022, 12:12:41 PM
Quote from: John on July 20, 2022, 11:09:53 AM
I must agree, it would appear that the Germans wil do everything they can to pin the Madeleine disappearance on Brückner at all costs.
On a scale of one to ten how certain are you that Bruckner had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Madeleine's disappearance, and why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on July 20, 2022, 12:14:45 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 11:41:19 AM

Brueckner didn't become a suspect until Busching got nicked for people trafficking.

There wasn't any evidence against him before Buschings inadmissible hearsay, & there still isn't.

The fact that the German investigators won't share their 'evidence against Brückner' with Madeleine's parents has always worried me.

If as they claim, they have compelling evidence that she is dead, don't the parents deserve to know it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:15:41 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 20, 2022, 12:09:11 PM
I think you are rewriting history there, Spam. Worth remembering that 'Supersleuths' is not the only forum which demands a certain standard of posting from its members.  We demand that also.  Perhaps you can make a start to getting back on track by adhering to the rule regarding 'opinion' and the necessity for posting cites.

Nope.

What evidence was there against Brueckner, before Busching grassed him up, after a 9 year delay?

The answer to that is precisely nothing.

No amount of the McCanns tireless campaigning pricked Buschings conscience prior to 2017.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: John on July 20, 2022, 12:14:45 PM
The fact that the German investigators won't share their 'evidence against Brückner' with Madeleine's parents has always worried me.

If as they claim, they have compelling evidence that she is dead, do t the parents deserve to know it?

They won't share their 'evidence' with either the McCanns, or Brueckners lawyers, despite repeated demands to do so.

Says a lot for Wolters 'evidence' really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 20, 2022, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: John on July 20, 2022, 12:14:45 PM
The fact that the German investigators won't share their 'evidence against Brückner' with Madeleine's parents has always worried me.

If as they claim, they have compelling evidence that she is dead, don't the parents deserve to know it?
Have you spoken to the McCanns about this recently?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 20, 2022, 12:12:41 PM
On a scale of one to ten how certain are you that Bruckner had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Madeleine's disappearance, and why?

With 1 being uncertain & 10 being certain, I'm 100 certain he wasn't involved, because there is there is absolutely no credible evidence against either Brueckner, or that Maddie was ever abducted in the first place.

Unless I'm wrong about that, then perhaps you could share the 'evidence' with the forum?

Bet you won't!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 20, 2022, 12:18:27 PM
Have you spoken to the McCanns about this recently?

They continue to believe/hope that Maddie could be alive, despite Wolters showing them concrete evidence Brueckner murdered her?!

How strange.

Or, perhaps they have good reason to be safe in the knowledge Wolters 'evidence' against Brueckner is phoney.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:22:27 PM
They continue to believe/hope that Maddie could be alive, despite Wolters showing them concrete evidence Brueckner murdered her?!

How strange.

Or, perhaps they have good reason to be safe in the knowledge Wolters 'evidence' against Brueckner is phoney.

You obviously arent following things closely
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:34:21 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 12:29:06 PM
You obviously arent following things closely

This year we mark fifteen years since we last saw Madeleine. It feels no harder than any other but no easier either. It’s a very long time.

Many people talk about the need for ‘closure’. It’s always felt a strange term. Regardless of outcome, Madeleine will always be our daughter and a truly horrific crime has been committed. These things will remain. It is true though that uncertainty creates weakness; knowledge and certainty give strength, and for this reason our need for answers, for the truth, is essential. We are grateful for the ongoing work and commitment of the UK, Portuguese and German authorities as it is this combined police effort which will yield results and bring us those answers.

As always, we would like to thank all of our supporters for their continued good wishes and support. It is a huge comfort to know that regardless of time passed, Madeleine is still in people’s hearts and minds. Thank you.

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html


According to the McCanns, they are still in search of answers & truth, weak & uncertain.

The snuff paedo photo of Maddie & all the other concrete evidence Wolters has shared with them obviously isn't enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:34:21 PM
This year we mark fifteen years since we last saw Madeleine. It feels no harder than any other but no easier either. It’s a very long time.

Many people talk about the need for ‘closure’. It’s always felt a strange term. Regardless of outcome, Madeleine will always be our daughter and a truly horrific crime has been committed. These things will remain. It is true though that uncertainty creates weakness; knowledge and certainty give strength, and for this reason our need for answers, for the truth, is essential. We are grateful for the ongoing work and commitment of the UK, Portuguese and German authorities as it is this combined police effort which will yield results and bring us those answers.

As always, we would like to thank all of our supporters for their continued good wishes and support. It is a huge comfort to know that regardless of time passed, Madeleine is still in people’s hearts and minds. Thank you.

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html


According to the McCanns, they are still in search of answers & truth, weak & uncertain.

The snuff paedo photo of Maddie & all the other concrete evidence Wolters has shared with them obviously isn't enough.

Wolters hasnt shared his evidence with them..as I said..you arent keeping up
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 12:37:20 PM
Wolters hasnt shared his evidence with them..as I said..you arent keeping up

In my opinion, that's because he doesn't have any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:39:09 PM
In my opinion, that's because he doesn't have any.

yes he does...he has proof maddie was abducted and murdered by a paedophile

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 12:42:41 PM
yes he does...he has proof maddie was abducted and murdered by a paedophile

No he doesn't.

There isn't a shred of credible evidence Brueckner murdered Maddie, or that Maddie was ever abducted in the first place.

That's why no one is able to share a shred of credible evidence Brueckner murdered Maddie, or that Maddie was ever abducted in the first place.

Apart from on websleuths where fantasy is an equal substitute for evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 20, 2022, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 10:20:56 AM
I went there for 2 minutes once.
Some idiot was posting that Brueckner could have abducted Joana.
Says it all really.  @)(++(*

Totally feasible.   He seems to have pointers to the possibility that he did that

Brueckner has
1.  A black saloon car
     Black saloon car noticed cruising around Joanas village before hand

2.  Has camper vans and sleeps in off site places in it.
     Camper van was noticed with man in it parked there for several days.  The van left coinciding with Joana going missing

3.  Was around at the time IIRC.
     This needs checking, but I think it is so

4.  Has a history of *liking* children and abusing them. 
     Well known fact

5.  The camper van speculatively thought to have been used to abduct Madeleine  JOANA was abandoned in a field in PdL
     Anyone know where? 

6.  He lived very close. 
     Whether he was living in the house he rented or in the run down villa, he was only about 7 miles away


Breuckner has quite a few pointers to the possibility of his being Joanas abductor.


BUT there is no defining clue, so NO PROOF.   He must be considered innocent without any.



***  ETA
Apologies, Seems that I might have put Madeleine where I meant Joana   .....  Unless it has been altered by someone, then it is not my fault.   Alterations in meaning to my posts have happened before but not as far as I know in the past few years.   


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:52:50 PM
Wonderfulspam: Spends morning requesting abduction/murder evidence from McCann supporters.

McCann supporters: Make blanket statement asserting that Maddie was abducted, as if that were evidence.

Wasn't it ever thus in 'the abduction' of MM.

Like I've said, just get back to us when Wolters reveals his concrete evidence, if he really has any that is, maybe there's something in the back of Brueckner's campervan or under his old mattress, or in the file marked 'abduction evidence' on the memory stick he buried under his dog.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 12:54:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 12:45:06 PM
No he doesn't.

There isn't a shred of credible evidence Brueckner murdered Maddie, or that Maddie was ever abducted in the first place.

That's why no one is able to share a shred of credible evidence Brueckner murdered Maddie, or that Maddie was ever abducted in the first place.

Apart from on websleuths where fantasy is an equal substitute for evidence.

ive noticed how much yo hve posted over the last few months.....same old junk everytime. You dont know what Wolters has...neither do i. Ypu should stop imagining you do...perhaps all that skunk has affected you. Your posts are boring...i ....
i find it interesting that wolters makes a connection from Maddie to Behan to the american rape...ive got an idea what it is ad it fits perfecctly with all hes said before
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 20, 2022, 12:55:41 PM
If it’s true that the McCanns still prefer to believe that Madeleine is alive and hold onto hope that she is, one would have to admit it’s darned peculiar behaviour for a pair of supposed murderers when the Germans are apparently busting a gut to pin it on the perfect patsy.  Wouldn’t you think they’d be fully supportive of the German efforts rather than casting any sort of doubt on it?  Or is it because the McCanns are super intelligent and playing a cunning game of reverse psychology that only the super super SUPER intelligent. WUMs can spot?  Hmm…. I wonder….  ^*&&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:00:43 PM
Quote from: sadie on July 20, 2022, 12:50:31 PM
Totally feasible.   He seems to have pointers to the possibility that he did that

Brueckner has
1.  A black saloon car
     Black saloon car noticed cruising around Joanas village before hand

2.  Has camper vans and sleeps in off site places in it.
     Camper van was noticed with man in it parked there for several days.  The van left coinciding with Joana going missing

3.  Was around at the time IIRC.
     This needs checking, but I think it is so

4.  Has a history of *liking* children and abusing them. 
     Well known fact

5.  The camper van speculatively thought to have been used to abduct Madeleine was abandoned in a field in PdL
     Anyone know where? 

6.  He lived very close. 
     Whether he was living in the house he rented or in the run down villa, he was only about 7 miles away


Breuckner has quite a few pointers to the possibility of his being Joanas abductor.


BUT there is no defining clue, so NO PROOF.   He must be considered innocent without any.

Oh I see, lots of vague supposition then really.

I wonder why Wolters still hasn't connected the dots yet?

Perhaps someone from websleuths could contact Wolters, let him know about all the evidence he's missing.

I'm sure Leonor would be quite grateful not to be known as a child murderer for the rest of her life.

....and I still haven't been given a link to the justice for the Ciprianos go fund me page, no one has set one up, despite all the supporters who campaign tirelessly here on behalf of them.

Start putting your money where your mouths are, you'd be helping get justice for Joana, a worthy cause if ever there were.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:03:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 20, 2022, 12:55:41 PM
If it’s true that the McCanns still prefer to believe that Madeleine is alive and hold onto hope that she is, one would have to admit it’s darned peculiar behaviour for a pair of supposed murderers when the Germans are apparently busting a gut to pin it on the perfect patsy. Wouldn’t you think they’d be fully supportive of the German efforts rather than casting any sort of doubt on it?  Or is it because the McCanns are super intelligent and playing a cunning game of reverse psychology that only the super super SUPER intelligent. WUMs can spot?  Hmm…. I wonder….  ^*&&

Perhaps they realise he isn't about to be charged or convicted ever, because he didn't do it.

Not much point wasting their breath really is there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 12:54:11 PM
ive noticed how much yo hve posted over the last few months.....same old junk everytime. You dont know what Wolters has...neither do i. Ypu should stop imagining you do...perhaps all that skunk has affected you. Your posts are boring...i ....
i find it interesting that wolters makes a connection from Maddie to Behan to the american rape...ive got an idea what it is ad it fits perfecctly with all hes said before

He doesn't have anything, that much is obvious.

Infact, just the other week you were saying you were certain Wolters had a photo of Maddie, yet now you're saying you don't know what Wolters has?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 20, 2022, 01:07:09 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 20, 2022, 07:56:26 AM
On this forum you get silly bickering provoked mainly by the resident WUM (who frequently has to endure forced periods of silence owing to his crass stupidity).  .  On Websleuths they don’t tolerate WUMs so you get a higher level of discussion.   That’s why this forum is pretty much dead now and that one is extremely active.
My point amply proved today, many thanks to the WUM for doing so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:08:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 20, 2022, 01:07:09 PM
My point amply proved today, many thanks to the WUM for doing so.

If you'd have just shared the abduction evidence, as requested earlier, this discussion could have ended hours ago, but you can't do that, because there isn't any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 01:11:36 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:08:52 PM
If you'd have just shared the abduction evidence, as requested earlier, this discussion could have ended hours ago, but you can't do that, because there isn't any.

I've shared it several times... Why should I bother doing it again just for you... It doesn't matter what you think
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 01:11:36 PM
I've shared it several times... Why should I bother doing it again just for you... It doesn't matter what you think

Then why reply?

Wouldn't it be better to pretend to ignore me, whilst not really ignoring me, like your other honest friend on here?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 20, 2022, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 01:11:36 PM
I've shared it several times... Why should I bother doing it again just for you... It doesn't matter what you think

The most sensible Comment so far today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 20, 2022, 01:15:04 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:00:43 PM
Oh I see, lots of vague supposition then really.

I wonder why Wolters still hasn't connected the dots yet?

Perhaps someone from websleuths could contact Wolters, let him know about all the evidence he's missing.

I'm sure Leonor would be quite grateful not to be known as a child murderer for the rest of her life.

....and I still haven't been given a link to the justice for the Ciprianos go fund me page, no one has set one up, despite all the supporters who campaign tirelessly here on behalf of them.

Start putting your money where your mouths are, you'd be helping get justice for Joana, a worthy cause if ever there were.

Whether you like it or not, the points that I have made are all valid pointers unless you would like to disprove any.

Where is the real evidence that JOANA IS DEAD.   THERE IS NONE, just Amarals and Cristovaos imagination.

Both are liars and Criminals, proven in Court.



So YOU, WS, prefer to believe the words of two PROVEN LIARS, both CRIMINALS, who have NO
CONCRETE EVIDENCE.   Two rogue officers who arranged, did they not, cruel Torture of Leonor Cipriano


Jeez, You are a long way down the Left Hand Path   (Aleister Crowley, the Beast)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 01:11:36 PM
I've shared it several times... Why should I bother doing it again just for you... It doesn't matter what you think

Quote from: Eleanor on July 20, 2022, 01:14:04 PM
The most sensible Comment so far today.


I think it's time someone started a new thread detailing all the abduction evidence, so we'd have reams of abduction evidence at our disposal, which supporters could then confront me with every time I say there isn't any.

That's one for the supporter mods to start I suppose.

I look forward to reading it all, I'm sure it will all be very compelling.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: sadie on July 20, 2022, 01:15:04 PM
Whether you like it or not, the points that I have made are all valid pointers unless you would like to disprove any.

Where is the real evidence that JOANA IS DEAD.   THERE IS NONE, just Amarals and Cristovaos imagination.

Both are liars and Criminals, proven in Court.



So YOU, WS, prefer to believe the words of two PROVEN LIARS, both CRIMINALS, who have NO
CONCRETE EVIDENCE.   Two rogue officers who arranged, did they not, cruel Torture of Leonor Cipriano


Jeez, You are a long way down the Left Hand Path   (Aleister Crowley, the Beast)


Nope, I just looked at the total abscence of abduction evidence, coupled with the Ciprianos being s...ks, & Joana's mother not bothering to call the police when her daughter was abducted, & that makes it obvious she wasn't abducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 20, 2022, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:00:43 PM
Oh I see, lots of vague supposition then really.

I wonder why Wolters still hasn't connected the dots yet?

Perhaps someone from websleuths could contact Wolters, let him know about all the evidence he's missing.

I'm sure Leonor would be quite grateful not to be known as a child murderer for the rest of her life.

....and I still haven't been given a link to the justice for the Ciprianos go fund me page, no one has set one up, despite all the supporters who campaign tirelessly here on behalf of them.

Start putting your money where your mouths are, you'd be helping get justice for Joana, a worthy cause if ever there were.

If there is strong support, I would be prepared to put a sustantial amount up to start it

But I do not have the ability to lead it.   That needs a very special and bi-lingual person.   One with legal expertise.


I am very passionate about Joana and also her parents.   True Justice must be done
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 20, 2022, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:19:50 PM

Nope, I just looked at the total abscence of abduction evidence, coupled with the Ciprianos being s...ks, & Joana's mother not bothering to call the police when her daughter was abducted, & that makes it obvious she wasn't abducted.

I have just given a list of reasons why one person could have done it.

You prefer to believe TWO rogue coppers, both liars and both criminals too.


You are wrong. 
According to reports at the time:
To start with Leonor had younger children and being desperately poor she probably had no phone.  How could she
leave them?

She did manage to tell a copper, who was around because of the big Fair.

When someone came home (LEANDRO ?) she went to the grandmas house in the nearby village to see if she was there.

Leonor was a loving and good mother.  Leandro was a good Dad.   He was beaten up by Amaral as well and spent time in hospital,    Swine.

Please get your facts right.



PS.  I dont understand what s...ks is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
Then why reply?

Wouldn't it be better to pretend to ignore me, whilst not really ignoring me, like your other honest friend on here?

Another good post.. I'll ignore you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 20, 2022, 02:01:13 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:19:50 PM

Nope, I just looked at the total abscence of abduction evidence, coupled with the Ciprianos being s...ks, & Joana's mother not bothering to call the police when her daughter was abducted, & that makes it obvious she wasn't abducted.
Your view is not one which is shared with any of the police authorities who have actually seen the evidence held against the German Prime Suspect.
The Portuguese were so convinced by it they later made Brueckner an arguido on the strength of it.  "Portugal's office of public prosecutions said the move was not driven by timing, but by "strong indications" of the practice of a crime." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61183857



Madeleine McCann: New evidence 'significant' - Portuguese police
Published
14 June 2020

Portuguese police say the German evidence against the new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case is "significant".

A senior police source also told the BBC they were keen to cooperate in the investigation into the disappearance of the British girl in Portugal in 2007.

The new suspect is a 43-year-old German man, named in reports as Christian B, who is in prison in Germany.

He was revealed as the main suspect earlier this month, as German and UK police made a fresh appeal for help.

The convicted paedophile is believed to have been in the area where Madeleine, aged three, was last seen while on holiday in Portugal.

A senior Portuguese police source, who has seen the German evidence against Christian B, has told the BBC it is "very important" and "significant".

The source also rejected criticism that their procedures were slow, amid reports that the German authorities have privately been critical of their Portuguese counterparts.

Another source close to the investigation said Portuguese police accepted that Christian B was now a suspect.

Asked whether they had access to his previous convictions for child sexual offences at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, he said it was important not to judge the past with the benefit of hindsight, and that police systems since then had changed.

Some of those who knew the German suspect during his time in Portugal have criticised the investigation as "very slow", telling the BBC that they were only approached by police - either British or Portuguese - in the past year or two.

Several people remembered Christian B as angry and untrustworthy, with one neighbour saying he squatted in a nearby house without paying rent, and left it "ransacked" in a terrible state when he departed, two years before Madeleine's disappearance. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53043818?link_location=live-reporting-story
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 02:41:47 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 20, 2022, 02:01:13 PM
Your view is not one which is shared with any of the police authorities who have actually seen the evidence held against the German Prime Suspect.
The Portuguese were so convinced by it they later made Brueckner an arguido on the strength of it.  "Portugal's office of public prosecutions said the move was not driven by timing, but by "strong indications" of the practice of a crime." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61183857



Madeleine McCann: New evidence 'significant' - Portuguese police
Published
14 June 2020

Portuguese police say the German evidence against the new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case is "significant".

A senior police source also told the BBC they were keen to cooperate in the investigation into the disappearance of the British girl in Portugal in 2007.

The new suspect is a 43-year-old German man, named in reports as Christian B, who is in prison in Germany.

He was revealed as the main suspect earlier this month, as German and UK police made a fresh appeal for help.

The convicted paedophile is believed to have been in the area where Madeleine, aged three, was last seen while on holiday in Portugal.

A senior Portuguese police source, who has seen the German evidence against Christian B, has told the BBC it is "very important" and "significant".

The source also rejected criticism that their procedures were slow, amid reports that the German authorities have privately been critical of their Portuguese counterparts.

Another source close to the investigation said Portuguese police accepted that Christian B was now a suspect.

Asked whether they had access to his previous convictions for child sexual offences at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, he said it was important not to judge the past with the benefit of hindsight, and that police systems since then had changed.

Some of those who knew the German suspect during his time in Portugal have criticised the investigation as "very slow", telling the BBC that they were only approached by police - either British or Portuguese - in the past year or two.

Several people remembered Christian B as angry and untrustworthy, with one neighbour saying he squatted in a nearby house without paying rent, and left it "ransacked" in a terrible state when he departed, two years before Madeleine's disappearance. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53043818?link_location=live-reporting-story

Whatever Brie.

Just get back to me when Wolters reveals the concrete evidence against Brueckner won't you.

Shouldn't be much longer now....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 02:52:18 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 20, 2022, 01:54:30 PM
Another good post.. I'll ignore you

I suppose, if you choose to ignore reality, in favour of believing Maddie was definitely abducted, despite the the total absence of any credible evidence Maddie was abducted IMO, then yes, ignoring me is probably your only option, or, maybe pop over to websleuths and fantasise freely, without any opposition.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 20, 2022, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 01:17:33 PM

I think it's time someone started a new thread detailing all the abduction evidence, so we'd have reams of abduction evidence at our disposal, which supporters could then confront me with every time I say there isn't any.

That's one for the supporter mods to start I suppose.

I look forward to reading it all, I'm sure it will all be very compelling.

There is no doubt the German BKA has been working over the years to collect evidence against this latest local hero for those whose sole raison d'etre is to denigrate the McCann family.

The essential mistake being made this time is that Brueckner is probably one of the vilest degenerates any of us have ever heard about.
Blind support for this guy just doesn't look good on any CV.

BKA have assured us they have the evidence and his legal team are presently working through other evidence in the legal process involved in the many other cases of accusation against him.

Brueckner has led a charmed life of operating under the radar for many years.

Amaral has told us he was looked for in 2007.
His name appeared yet again in 2013 and when information was shared with the Portuguese in 2019, Amaral made sure we knew about the suspicions under investigation since 2017.

It has been a long drawn out investigation and I'm sure the police are working to the facts of the cases involved.
"The German outlet said investigators had become aware of the chats after Brueckner's girlfriend reported him in 2015 for an assault and police searched his home."   https://www.infobae.com/america/mundo/2022/01/26/revelaron-perturbadores-chats-del-principal-sospechoso-de-secuestrar-a-madeleine-mccann/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 20, 2022, 02:01:13 PM
Your view is not one which is shared with any of the police authorities who have actually seen the evidence held against the German Prime Suspect.
The Portuguese were so convinced by it they later made Brueckner an arguido on the strength of it.  "Portugal's office of public prosecutions said the move was not driven by timing, but by "strong indications" of the practice of a crime." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61183857



Madeleine McCann: New evidence 'significant' - Portuguese police
Published
14 June 2020

Portuguese police say the German evidence against the new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case is "significant".

A senior police source also told the BBC they were keen to cooperate in the investigation into the disappearance of the British girl in Portugal in 2007.

The new suspect is a 43-year-old German man, named in reports as Christian B, who is in prison in Germany.

He was revealed as the main suspect earlier this month, as German and UK police made a fresh appeal for help.

The convicted paedophile is believed to have been in the area where Madeleine, aged three, was last seen while on holiday in Portugal.

A senior Portuguese police source, who has seen the German evidence against Christian B, has told the BBC it is "very important" and "significant".

The source also rejected criticism that their procedures were slow, amid reports that the German authorities have privately been critical of their Portuguese counterparts.

Another source close to the investigation said Portuguese police accepted that Christian B was now a suspect.

Asked whether they had access to his previous convictions for child sexual offences at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, he said it was important not to judge the past with the benefit of hindsight, and that police systems since then had changed.

Some of those who knew the German suspect during his time in Portugal have criticised the investigation as "very slow", telling the BBC that they were only approached by police - either British or Portuguese - in the past year or two.

Several people remembered Christian B as angry and untrustworthy, with one neighbour saying he squatted in a nearby house without paying rent, and left it "ransacked" in a terrible state when he departed, two years before Madeleine's disappearance. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53043818?link_location=live-reporting-story

P.S, loving the anonymous police sources you cite here, claiming to have seen the concrete evidence, hilarious.

I'd be too embarrassed to link my name to such baseless trash aswell.

Funny how the article is dated 2020, yet despite the existence of concrete evidence on that date, they don't even bother to make him an arguido until 2022, & even then it's only in the hope they can later uncover something more than Buschings inadmissible hearsay evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 20, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 20, 2022, 03:19:48 PM
There is no doubt the German BKA has been working over the years to collect evidence against this latest local hero for those whose sole raison d'etre is to denigrate the McCann family.

The essential mistake being made this time is that Brueckner is probably one of the vilest degenerates any of us have ever heard about.
Blind support for this guy just doesn't look good on any CV.

BKA have assured us they have the evidence and his legal team are presently working through other evidence in the legal process involved in the many other cases of accusation against him.

Brueckner has led a charmed life of operating under the radar for many years.

Amaral has told us he was looked for in 2007.
His name appeared yet again in 2013 and when information was shared with the Portuguese in 2019, Amaral made sure we knew about the suspicions under investigation since 2017.

It has been a long drawn out investigation and I'm sure the police are working to the facts of the cases involved.
"The German outlet said investigators had become aware of the chats after Brueckner's girlfriend reported him in 2015 for an assault and police searched his home."   https://www.infobae.com/america/mundo/2022/01/26/revelaron-perturbadores-chats-del-principal-sospechoso-de-secuestrar-a-madeleine-mccann/

Well then, you're going to be bitterly disappointed when Brueckner isn't charged, well, you should be now really, but instead you're going to delude yourself that it's only a matter of time.
Oh well, your problem I suppose, just don't expect me to entertain that nonsense idea anytime soon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 21, 2022, 08:49:24 AM
To brietta, you are right hans has said and i quote if you seen what we have you would think the same as us. However yes two reasons the SOL was important and portuguese police seem to have been swayed about CB. I understand wonderfulspam concerns of no charges but its going to be a slow process.

Also any chance someone can direct me to reply to certain comments aswell please or do i contact admin?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 21, 2022, 09:18:02 AM
Quote from: Rossb on July 21, 2022, 08:49:24 AM
To brietta, you are right hans has said and i quote if you seen what we have you would think the same as us. However yes two reasons the SOL was important and portuguese police seem to have been swayed about CB. I understand wonderfulspam concerns of no charges but its going to be a slow process.

Also any chance someone can direct me to reply to certain comments aswell please or do i contact admin?

Above a comment on the right had corner there is the word Quote.  Click on that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on July 24, 2022, 11:50:44 AM
Does anyone know when exactly CB supposedly cleaned the OC’s swimming pools?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 24, 2022, 11:54:46 AM
Quote from: Anthro on July 24, 2022, 11:50:44 AM
Does anyone know when exactly CB supposedly cleaned the OC’s swimming pools?

Was mentioned he done maintenance work there for the odd job etc. I think this came from spiegel german news paper who reported from certain ppl looking into it. Not sure of the timing though. Google search it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 24, 2022, 11:55:14 AM
Quote from: Anthro on July 24, 2022, 11:50:44 AM
Does anyone know when exactly CB supposedly cleaned the OC’s swimming pools?

When they were dirty?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2022, 10:38:34 AM

So, anyway.

How's the case against Brueckner going?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 27, 2022, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2022, 10:38:34 AM
So, anyway.

How's the case against Brueckner going?

That is in Germany, anyways og been granted more funding til march
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2022, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: Rossb on July 27, 2022, 10:54:15 AM
That is in Germany, anyways og been granted more funding til march

Oh good, well I suppose we'll just have to talk about Amaral for the time being, given the absence of evidence against Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 27, 2022, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2022, 12:03:19 PM
Oh good, well I suppose we'll just have to talk about Amaral for the time being, given the absence of evidence against Brueckner.

Who said it was absent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2022, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Rossb on July 27, 2022, 01:14:15 PM
Who said it was absent

Well, it's noticeably absent from this forum.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 28, 2022, 11:19:11 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2022, 09:07:42 PM
Well, it's noticeably absent from this forum.

Its not fully been released. But please come back when it does.
Can i ask, and amswer honsestly, why spend years and years on a foreign case for a dofferent foreign national? Is germanys budget shouting spend what u want? Are the masons meeting up every year in secret? Is mi5 and 6 secretly spreading disinformation to the distraction of yearly political events? Distracting the rising energy costs?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2022, 11:24:06 AM
Quote from: Rossb on July 28, 2022, 11:19:11 AM
Its not fully been released. But please come back when it does.
Can i ask, and amswer honsestly, why spend years and years on a foreign case for a dofferent foreign national? Is germanys budget shouting spend what u want? Are the masons meeting up every year in secret? Is mi5 and 6 secretly spreading disinformation to the distraction of yearly political events? Distracting the rising energy costs?

I've no idea what they are doing, I mean apart from investigating Brueckner for multiple crimes & charging him for some.

But I know what they're not doing & that's proving Maddie was ever abducted anytime in the forseeable future.

But get back to me when they do won't you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 28, 2022, 11:36:52 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2022, 11:24:06 AM
I've no idea what they are doing, I mean apart from investigating Brueckner for multiple crimes & charging him for some.

But I know what they're not doing & that's proving Maddie was ever abducted anytime in the forseeable future.

But get back to me when they do won't you.

It is more about proving murder
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2022, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: Rossb on July 28, 2022, 11:36:52 AM
It is more about proving murder

Yeah, they're not having much luck with that either really.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2022, 12:03:52 PM
Quote from: Rossb on July 28, 2022, 11:36:52 AM
It is more about proving murder


Agreed it is in relation to Madeleine , CB cannot be placed in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007, these are the words of Wolters on tv in May, at some stage for CB to have killed the girl and once again Wolters told the world he's 100% sure of that, how did the two come together .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2022, 12:03:52 PM

Agreed it is in relation to Madeleine , CB cannot be placed in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007, these are the words of Wolters on tv in May, at some stage for CB to have killed the girl and once again Wolters told the world he's 100% sure of that, how did the two come together .

He doesn't need to show how they came together.... Just that they did
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 12:37:49 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 12:25:58 PM
He doesn't need to show how they came together.... Just that they did

So you think it's possible for CB to be convicted of murder but not abduction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2022, 12:39:28 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 12:25:58 PM
He doesn't need to show how they came together.... Just that they did

..and how's he getting on with that?

Well, nothing happening today is there, but let's check back tomorrow & see how he's getting on then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2022, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 12:37:49 PM
So you think it's possible for CB to be convicted of murder but not abduction?
why not?  Murder is the more serious charge anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 28, 2022, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2022, 12:03:52 PM

Agreed it is in relation to Madeleine , CB cannot be placed in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007, these are the words of Wolters on tv in May, at some stage for CB to have killed the girl and once again Wolters told the world he's 100% sure of that, how did the two come together .

All the German prosecutors have to do is produce the evidence they are certain they have in court in front of a judge.

It is not necessary to produce evidence of "how the two came together".  The only evidence required is that which shows he is guilty of murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 01:11:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 12:37:49 PM
So you think it's possible for CB to be convicted of murder but not abduction?

Of course ...100% fact.  Im surprised you need to ask the question. I dont think its likely however
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 28, 2022, 01:14:20 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 12:25:58 PM
He doesn't need to show how they came together.... Just that they did

It is such an obvious observation one wonders why it needs to be pointed out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2022, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 12:25:58 PM
He doesn't need to show how they came together.... Just that they did


Nonsense, Caroline Hogg was seen walking away with a scruffy looking man, April Jones was seen getting into a vehicle, Whiting's car was seen in the area Sarah Payne disappeared from,a white van was seen in the area Susan Maxwell disappeared from, (linked to Black) they are all linked because of proximity of victims to perps , CB cannot be placed in Luz, simple as . Identify smith man, Redwood told us he was seen carrying a child fitting a description close to Madeleine  at the time, smithy is the one imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 01:32:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2022, 01:23:04 PM

Nonsense, Caroline Hogg was seen walking away with a scruffy looking man, April Jones was seen getting into a vehicle, Whiting's car was seen in the area Sarah Payne disappeared from,a white van was seen in the area Susan Maxwell disappeared from, (linked to Black) they are all linked because of proximity of victims to perps , CB cannot be placed in Luz, simple as . Identify smith man, Redwood told us he was seen carrying a child fitting a description close to Madeleine  at the time, smithy is the one imo.

if you think its nonsense you are woefully misinformed and it's pointless discussing it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2022, 01:33:37 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2022, 01:23:04 PM

Nonsense, Caroline Hogg was seen walking away with a scruffy looking man, April Jones was seen getting into a vehicle, Whiting's car was seen in the area Sarah Payne disappeared from,a white van was seen in the area Susan Maxwell disappeared from, (linked to Black) they are all linked because of proximity of victims to perps , CB cannot be placed in Luz, simple as . Identify smith man, Redwood told us he was seen carrying a child fitting a description close to madeleine  that at the time, smithy is the one imo.

.....and when April's mother became aware of that, she called the police immediately.
I wonder why she didn't just try leaving it the best part of an hour?Weird.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2022, 01:33:37 PM
.....and when April's mother became aware of that, she called the police immediately.
I wonder why she didn't just try leaving it the best part of an hour?Weird.

It's quite obvious why the McCann's didn't call the police themselves.. Discussed many times... See if you can work it out
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 28, 2022, 01:40:49 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 01:32:20 PM
if you think its nonsense you are woefully misinformed and it's pointless discussing it.

Feeling is mutual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2022, 01:45:49 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 01:40:24 PM
It's quite obvious why the McCann's didn't call the police themselves.. Discussed many times... See if you can work it out

Not just that they didn't call themselves, I mean, they didn't even try, but they didn't implore anyone else to do so either did they.

Unless I'm much mistaken & Gerry rushed straight down to reception & demanded the police be called immediately.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2022, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2022, 01:23:04 PM

Nonsense, Caroline Hogg was seen walking away with a scruffy looking man, April Jones was seen getting into a vehicle, Whiting's car was seen in the area Sarah Payne disappeared from,a white van was seen in the area Susan Maxwell disappeared from, (linked to Black) they are all linked because of proximity of victims to perps , CB cannot be placed in Luz, simple as . Identify smith man, Redwood told us he was seen carrying a child fitting a description close to Madeleine  at the time, smithy is the one imo.
If no one had seen April getting into Whiting's car would he never have been prosecuted for abducting and murdering her then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2022, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 01:40:24 PM
It's quite obvious why the McCann's didn't call the police themselves.. Discussed many times... See if you can work it out
I wouldn't count on it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 06:08:26 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 01:11:56 PM
Of course ...100% fact.  Im surprised you need to ask the question. I dont think its likely however

If CB is convicted of murder but not abduction then it can't be assumed that he was an abductor. How Madeleine left 5A would remain a mystery for ever. Maybe MWT's theory was correct; she wandered off.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2022, 06:13:39 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 06:08:26 PM
If CB is convicted of murder but not abduction then it can't be assumed that he was an abductor. How Madeleine left 5A would remain a mystery for ever. Maybe MWT's theory was correct; she wandered off.
He would still be an abductor if he picked her up off the street, quite obviously!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2022, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 06:08:26 PM
If CB is convicted of murder but not abduction then it can't be assumed that he was an abductor. How Madeleine left 5A would remain a mystery for ever. Maybe MWT's theory was correct; she wandered off.
Are you now seriously entertaining the idea that Madeleine was abducted from the street by a paedophile?  Surely not!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 28, 2022, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 06:08:26 PM
If CB is convicted of murder but not abduction then it can't be assumed that he was an abductor. How Madeleine left 5A would remain a mystery for ever. Maybe MWT's theory was correct; she wandered off.

Everything depends on what evidence the Germans have.  At least you have accepted Wolters doesn't have to prove abduction as barrier mistakenly thinks
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 28, 2022, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 06:08:26 PM
If CB is convicted of murder but not abduction then it can't be assumed that he was an abductor. How Madeleine left 5A would remain a mystery for ever. Maybe MWT's theory was correct; she wandered off.

That's what the perps want us to believe, isn't it?   SY will know that.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 09:09:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2022, 06:13:39 PM
He would still be an abductor if he picked her up off the street, quite obviously!

The point being you'll never know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 28, 2022, 09:27:09 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 09:09:00 PM
The point being you'll never know.
No, the point is that if Brückner is convicted of her murder the only way he could have achieved this is if she was abducted first.  End Of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 05:45:37 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2022, 09:27:09 PM
No, the point is that if Brückner is convicted of her murder the only way he could have achieved this is if she was abducted first.  End Of.

That's an assumption. Someone else could have taken her from 5A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2022, 06:22:40 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 28, 2022, 01:54:05 PM
If no one had seen April getting into Whiting's car would he never have been prosecuted for abducting and murdering her then?
She wasn't seen getting in Whitings car.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2022, 07:03:23 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 05:45:37 AM
That's an assumption. Someone else could have taken her from 5A.
And that is called an abduction.  So you think he may have had an accomplice, eh?  Good to see you’re finally coming round to the idea.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2022, 07:05:27 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2022, 06:22:40 AM
She wasn't seen getting in Whitings car.
No, it was the other murderous creep’s car, Bridger?   Well done for avoiding the question!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 07:41:44 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2022, 07:03:23 AM
And that is called an abduction.  So you think he may have had an accomplice, eh?  Good to see you’re finally coming round to the idea.

I'm not coming round to anything. I'm pointing out that convicting CB of murder still leaves the 'abduction' theory unconfirmed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2022, 08:05:12 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 07:41:44 AM
I'm not coming round to anything. I'm pointing out that convicting CB of murder still leaves the 'abduction' theory unconfirmed.
Explain why?  How would a paedophile get hold of a child to murder her if she was not abducted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 29, 2022, 08:18:41 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 28, 2022, 01:23:04 PM

Nonsense, Caroline Hogg was seen walking away with a scruffy looking man, April Jones was seen getting into a vehicle, Whiting's car was seen in the area Sarah Payne disappeared from,a white van was seen in the area Susan Maxwell disappeared from, (linked to Black) they are all linked because of proximity of victims to perps , CB cannot be placed in Luz, simple as . Identify smith man, Redwood told us he was seen carrying a child fitting a description close to Madeleine  at the time, smithy is the one imo.

Smithman sighting was so strange. Not saying he didnt see what he seen but the context of who he really seen will remain a mystery.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 08:34:27 AM
Quote from: Rossb on July 29, 2022, 08:18:41 AM
Smithman sighting was so strange. Not saying he didnt see what he seen but the context of who he really seen will remain a mystery.

Maybe it was Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 29, 2022, 08:36:42 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 08:34:27 AM
Maybe it was Brueckner.

You could well be right.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 08:42:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2022, 08:05:12 AM
Explain why?  How would a paedophile get hold of a child to murder her if she was not abducted?

Perhaps you'll hear the possibilities in the unlikely event that CB is tried and convicted only of murder.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2022, 09:28:56 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 08:42:20 AM
Perhaps you'll hear the possibilities in the unlikely event that CB is tried and convicted only of murder.
No, I want to hear them from you.  You have suggested a scenario in which Madeleine was not abducted but was murdered by CB so I want to hear how you figure that might have played out. This should be interesting....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2022, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 08:42:20 AM
Perhaps you'll hear the possibilities in the unlikely event that CB is tried and convicted only of murder.

It seems that after all these years of denying an abduction took place you can't accept that it did.
Your post is opinion as fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2022, 09:34:23 AM
Quote from: Rossb on July 29, 2022, 08:18:41 AM
Smithman sighting was so strange. Not saying he didnt see what he seen but the context of who he really seen will remain a mystery.

Well the police said the child being carried resembled that of Madeleine at the time, no one has since  claimed it wasn't Madeleine, unlike the tanner sighting where the police cast doubt .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2022, 09:38:10 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 29, 2022, 09:32:06 AM
It seems that after all these years of denying an abduction took place you can't accept that it did.
Your post is opinion as fact
Actually I think what's happening is we're preparing the way for a new theory - the hired murderer theory.  That way both parents and CB can be involved!  Win-win.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 09:41:54 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 29, 2022, 09:32:06 AM
It seems that after all these years of denying an abduction took place you can't accept that it did.
Your post is opinion as fact

Maybe because it just didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2022, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2022, 09:38:10 AM
Actually I think what's happening is we're preparing the way for a new theory - the hired murderer theory.  That way both parents and CB can be involved!  Win-win.

I think you might be right.  It's been hinted of often enough of late.

Depraved Thinking, if you want my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2022, 09:57:43 AM
Just doing a bit of reading, was on holiday at the time this was updated, but has CB's lawyer got the paper work regarding Madeleine's case ? or are they confusing it with other cases .

He said the investigations are "in principle, complete, and over the next few days his lawyer will be able to examine the files. I don't know what the result will be. We will have to hear what his lawyer says. We need to wait and see the extent of the charges we will bring."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1606566/madeleine-mcann-christian-b-suspect-evidence-latest
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 10:10:11 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 29, 2022, 09:32:06 AM
It seems that after all these years of denying an abduction took place you can't accept that it did.
Your post is opinion as fact

All the abduction claims are opinion and always have been.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2022, 10:23:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 10:10:11 AM
All the abduction claims are opinion and always have been.
informed, expert opinion, with evidence now it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 10:29:09 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2022, 10:23:03 AM
informed, expert opinion, with evidence now it would seem.

Just can't prove anything in a court of law. No biggie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 10:29:21 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 28, 2022, 06:08:26 PM
If CB is convicted of murder but not abduction then it can't be assumed that he was an abductor. How Madeleine left 5A would remain a mystery for ever. Maybe MWT's theory was correct; she wandered off.

If the evidence results in Brueckner's conviction for Madeleine's murder it negates absolutely the slurs Amaral and his band of sceptic followers have been promoting for over fifteen years.

The mere  fact that there is evidence which makes Brueckner the prime suspect already does that.  But there are too many egos invested in the beliefs promulgated by the nasty theories Amaral dreamt up, aided and abetted by sceptic ignorance for common sense to prevail.

Madeleine's ultimate fate might be determined in a German court; and that will not be a forever mystery, only why you should record that opinion for posterity remains in any which way mysterious.

Even the most rabid of sceptics require to justify the ill begotten path they have travelled by choice.   Even the most hardened of sceptics appear to have realised the need to excuse their unquestioning active support for the dregs of humanity as exemplified by the new folk hero whose criminal behaviour and convictions brought him to police attention in the first instance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2022, 10:31:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 10:10:11 AM
All the abduction claims are opinion and always have been.

Opinion based on evidence...and the opinion of three police forces
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 10:32:31 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 10:29:21 AM
If the evidence results in Brueckner's conviction for Madeleine's murder it negates absolutely the slurs Amaral and his band of sceptic followers have been promoting for over fifteen years.

The mere  fact that there is evidence which makes Brueckner the prime suspect already does that.  But there are too many egos invested in the beliefs promulgated by the nasty theories Amaral dreamt up, aided and abetted by sceptic ignorance for common sense to prevail.

Madeleine's ultimate fate might be determined in a German court; and that will not be a forever mystery, only why you should record that opinion for posterity remains in any which way mysterious.

Even the most rabid of sceptics require to justify the ill begotten path they have travelled by choice.   Even the most hardened of sceptics appear to have realised the need to excuse their unquestioning active support for the dregs of humanity as exemplified by the new folk hero whose criminal behaviour and convictions brought him to police attention in the first instance.

Might be?

You're having some doubt about that now are you?

Any particular reason?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 10:47:37 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2022, 09:38:10 AM
Actually I think what's happening is we're preparing the way for a new theory - the hired murderer theory.  That way both parents and CB can be involved!  Win-win.

I agree the necessity to find something - anything - to keep the sceptic wagon on the road and it won't much matter what new theory they adopt I am sure something will be dreamt up.

They did their level best to add Murat into that mix.  So I see no barrier to them adopting Brueckner should he be convicted and adding him to the abounding conspiracy theories.

I can't tell you how sad that opinion makes me.  I find the concept that there should be such unbridled hatred directed at a family totally incomprehensible.  Particularly when one takes account of what a conviction for Brueckner will mean for them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 10:48:29 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 10:47:37 AM
I agree the necessity to find something - anything - to keep the sceptic wagon on the road and it won't much matter what new theory they adopt I am sure something will be dreamt up.

They did their level best to add Murat into that mix.  So I see no barrier to them adopting Brueckner should he be convicted and adding him to the abounding conspiracy theories.

I can't tell you how sad that opinion makes me.  I find the concept that there should be such unbridled hatred directed at a family totally incomprehensible.  Particularly when one takes account of what a conviction for Brueckner will mean for them.

Any idea when that's happening?

A conviction for Brueckner I mean.

You know, bearing in mind the concrete evidence of 3 investigative forces, probably happening some time soon isn't it.

But not today though, maybe tomorrow, let's check in again tomorrow & see how Wolters is getting on then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 10:50:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2022, 09:55:36 AM
I think you might be right.  It's been hinted of often enough of late.

Depraved Thinking, if you want my opinion.

I agree.  And I am basing my opinion on what I can see being posted here and elsewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 29, 2022, 10:31:26 AM
Opinion based on evidence...and the opinion of three police forces

Evidence which doesn't lead to a conviction is insufficient evidence and can thereafter be dismissed as lies/misinterpretations/wishful thinking in my experience. I've seen it in action for years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2022, 09:57:43 AM
Just doing a bit of reading, was on holiday at the time this was updated, but has CB's lawyer got the paper work regarding Madeleine's case ? or are they confusing it with other cases .

He said the investigations are "in principle, complete, and over the next few days his lawyer will be able to examine the files. I don't know what the result will be. We will have to hear what his lawyer says. We need to wait and see the extent of the charges we will bring."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1606566/madeleine-mcann-christian-b-suspect-evidence-latest

In my opinion Brueckner's lawyers have the information as part of the process pertaining to the five sexual crimes the prosecutors hope to bring to trial.

In my opinion the files on Madeleine's case will not be handed over until those cases have been tried.

I thought EVERYONE knew that.  The media has been full of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2022, 10:57:13 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 10:53:43 AM
Evidence which doesn't lead to a conviction is insufficient evidence and can thereafter be dismissed as lies/misinterpretations/wishful thinking in my experience. I've seen it in action for years.
Failure by the police to secure a conviction despite any  compelling evidence they may have against CB can be a reason for utmost rejoicing by those who will thereafter enjoy carte blanche to continue their campaign of lies/misinterpretation and wishful thinking pushing the "parents dunnit" theory - I bet you can't wait for that day. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2022, 10:57:13 AM
Failure by the police to secure a conviction despite any  compelling evidence they may have against CB can be a reason for utmost rejoicing by those who will thereafter enjoy carte blanche to continue their campaign of lies/misinterpretation and wishful thinking pushing the "parents dunnit" theory - I bet you can't wait for that day.

We don't even need to wait for that day, that day is now, they're failing to secure a conviction now, as we speak, & have been for the last two years, & will be for the foreseeable future.

But maybe after that, aye, lets see what happens after that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 11:09:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 10:53:43 AM
Evidence which doesn't lead to a conviction is insufficient evidence and can thereafter be dismissed as lies/misinterpretations/wishful thinking in my experience. I've seen it in action for years.

Exactly what have you " ... seen it in action for years" in relation to Madeleine's case?

Brueckner didn't appear on the scene until Amaral 'outed' him prematurely in 2019.  As far as I know over the years there has not been another either with the profile or the back-up evidence to merit being made the prime suspect for all the forces of law and order involved in his investigation.

Do share with us the 'benefits' of your 'experience' - I am sure they must be riveting.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 29, 2022, 11:11:00 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 10:56:37 AM
In my opinion Brueckner's lawyers have the information as part of the process pertaining to the five sexual crimes the prosecutors hope to bring to trial.

In my opinion the files on Madeleine's case will not be handed over until those cases have been tried.

I thought EVERYONE knew that.  The media has been full of it.

Just making sure that there are Individual Sentences for each Crime.  In My Opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 11:09:22 AM
Exactly what have you " ... seen it in action for years" in relation to Madeleine's case?

Brueckner didn't appear on the scene until Amaral 'outed' him prematurely in 2019.  As far as I know over the years there has not been another either with the profile or the back-up evidence to merit being made the prime suspect for all the forces of law and order involved in his investigation.

Do share with us the 'benefits' of your 'experience' - I am sure they must be riveting.

What's the back up evidence they have against Brueckner then?

I mean, it obviously isn't much use whatever it is, because they're not charging him anytime soon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 11:26:55 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2022, 10:57:13 AM
Failure by the police to secure a conviction despite any  compelling evidence they may have against CB can be a reason for utmost rejoicing by those who will thereafter enjoy carte blanche to continue their campaign of lies/misinterpretation and wishful thinking pushing the "parents dunnit" theory - I bet you can't wait for that day.

My opinion is that the police have carefully chosen the cases they intend to bring to trial and that includes the evidence re two rape cases none of us have ever really heard about in any great detail.

The assault on the beach relies on direct evidence from the witnesses.

The assault on the children in the playground is supported by direct evidence of the parents involved including an off duty police officer.

The rape and torture of Ms Behan.

Nothing at all reliant on hear say ~ all first hand and in the case of the two rapes I believe the evidence is electronic, although the police might have traced the victims.   Who knows?

I think the dangers posed by Brueckner of flight and danger to the public which were if memory serves me well, were the reasons behind the refusal of his request for early release.

Anyway, now that the cops have taken him off the streets, I think the intention will be to keep him where he can do no more harm with his criminality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 29, 2022, 11:35:10 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 29, 2022, 11:11:00 AM
Just making sure that there are Individual Sentences for each Crime.  In My Opinion.

They may run concurrently.
Anyway, why should it be of any concern to anyone, other than maybe a victim?

Brueckner is only of interest in relationship to Madeleine as far as I'm concerned.
Without her, you'd never have heard of him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 29, 2022, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2022, 09:34:23 AM
Well the police said the child being carried resembled that of Madeleine at the time, no one has since  claimed it wasn't Madeleine, unlike the tanner sighting where the police cast doubt .

This could have been a crucial sighting. Im just not open to smiths version. I think he said it wadnt murat nor bruckner. But he had four months to identify gerry mccann, it was all over news. Anyways he claims to be 60 to 80 percent sure, not sure how you calculate that lol, by walking down an aircraft carrier?!!!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: Rossb on July 29, 2022, 11:36:12 AM
This could have been a crucial sighting. Im just not open to smiths version. I think he said it wadnt murat nor bruckner. But he had four months to identify gerry mccann, it was all over news. Anyways he claims to be 60 to 80 percent sure, not sure how you calculate that lol, by walking down an aircraft carrier?!!!!!

I believe Smithman is an irrelevance.  I have thought so from the time I discovered that the sighting was not reported to the police for a fortnight.

As far as Brueckner is concerned :-
we know that he was on the police radar at the beginning of the investigation
we know they tried to contact him unsuccessfully
we know that no-one followed through on tracing him
from thereon in we know that as far as Madeleine was concerned he vanished in plain sight but continued with his criminality.

If Brueckner or an accomplice proves to have been the person seen and reported immediately to the police at the time - I would certainly be more than a little interested why he was dropped from the inquiry early days and without interview..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 29, 2022, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 12:07:37 PM
I believe Smithman is an irrelevance.  I have thought so from the time I discovered that the sighting was not reported to the police for a fortnight.

As far as Brueckner is concerned :-
we know that he was on the police radar at the beginning of the investigation
we know they tried to contact him unsuccessfully
we know that no-one followed through on tracing him
from thereon in we know that as far as Madeleine was concerned he vanished in plain sight but continued with his criminality.

If Brueckner or an accomplice proves to have been the person seen and reported immediately to the police at the time - I would certainly be more than a little interested why he was dropped from the inquiry early days and without interview..

Well thats it he was never questioned but then cleared somehow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 29, 2022, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: Rossb on July 29, 2022, 12:16:10 PM
Well thats it he was never questioned but then cleared somehow.
He was cleared by virtue of the fact that his surname wasn't McCann.  Everyone who doesn't have that surname eventually gets cleared.  Only the McCanns remain "uncleared" - and that's a sceptic FACT. @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 29, 2022, 12:25:37 PM
He was cleared by virtue of the fact that his surname wasn't McCann.  Everyone who doesn't have that surname eventually gets cleared.  Only the McCanns remain "uncleared" - and that's a sceptic FACT. @)(++(*

Well, there's no evidence Brueckner ever set eyes on Maddie really is there, where as the last people to claim to see her alive are her parents.

I mean, bit difficult to rule them out really isn't it, in fairness.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 01:04:15 PM
Still, the 3 investigative forces have managed to rule them out entirely, on account of all the abduction evidence.

Bit weird then that all this abduction evidence can't be linked to Brueckner in any way though. They only have him for the murder, apparently, although, they won't be convicting him of murder anytime in the foreseeable future either.

But maybe after that, we can always hope can't we.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2022, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: Rossb on July 29, 2022, 11:36:12 AM
This could have been a crucial sighting. Im just not open to smiths version. I think he said it wadnt murat nor bruckner. But he had four months to identify gerry mccann, it was all over news. Anyways he claims to be 60 to 80 percent sure, not sure how you calculate that lol, by walking down an aircraft carrier?!!!!!

 Smithy is the key, bearing in mind the description of the child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 02:35:30 PM
Quote from: Rossb on July 29, 2022, 12:16:10 PM
Well thats it he was never questioned but then cleared somehow.

I can't think why Amaral carried out the damage limitation exercise of admitting that Brueckner had been on police radar but they had failed to follow it through.

Damage limitation and deflection it most certainly was.  I wonder what he was actually covering up which was even more heinous than information about this example of police ineptitude he gave away so freely.  Bearing in mind that as a high ranking coordinator some of the buck for that has to attach to him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 29, 2022, 02:48:32 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 10:56:37 AM
In my opinion Brueckner's lawyers have the information as part of the process pertaining to the five sexual crimes the prosecutors hope to bring to trial.

In my opinion the files on Madeleine's case will not be handed over until those cases have been tried.

I thought EVERYONE knew that.  The media has been full of it.

Would that be the same media who told of a piece of fibre found that wasn't , or the same media who  the McCanns  successfully sued, the same media who Murat sued, the same media who reported of damaged shutters, the same media who had the three locals bang to rights in 2014, that media ?

Rowley:(now commissioner at the MET) There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2022, 02:34:25 PM
Smithy is the key, bearing in mind the description of the child.

One piece of evidence which would have confirmed part of the Smith story would have been the CCTV coverage of the apartments at Estrela da Luz.
A fortnight down the line ensured that no-one bothered to check that out because no-one heard of the Smiths until a fortnight after the event.

As it was the basics concerned in eliminating known paedophiles and burglars was neglected.

You know - if one of the possibilities of proving possibilities such as a burglary gone wrong is to investigate them.

Brueckner was not investigated.

The known burglars who may have been 'on duty' that night were not investigated until Scotland Yard followed through on the evidence available in 2007 but ignored until SY checked it and interviewed them in 2014.

Just not good enough when one measures the deliberate harm sceptics employ to indulge a case which was botched from the start to the finish of Amaral in September 2007, leaving an individual like Brueckner free to operate throughout sight unseen until he brought himself to German attention.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 02:54:36 PM
One piece of evidence which would have confirmed part of the Smith story would have been the CCTV coverage of the apartments at Estrela da Luz.
A fortnight down the line ensured that no-one bothered to check that out because no-one heard of the Smiths until a fortnight after the event.

As it was the basics concerned in eliminating known paedophiles and burglars was neglected.

You know - if one of the possibilities of proving possibilities such as a burglary gone wrong is to investigate them.

Brueckner was not investigated.

The known burglars who may have been 'on duty' that night were not investigated until Scotland Yard followed through on the evidence available in 2007 but ignored until SY checked it and interviewed them in 2014.

Just not good enough when one measures the deliberate harm sceptics employ to indulge a case which was botched from the start to the finish of Amaral in September 2007, leaving an individual like Brueckner free to operate throughout sight unseen until he brought himself to German attention.

Well it doesn't matter really does it, Wolters has caught him now & he'll be wrapping the case up just after he's finished with all the other cases against Brueckner, one can hope, if you're desperate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2022, 02:34:25 PM
Smithy is the key, bearing in mind the description of the child.

Yeah, she was sleeping deeply, or maybe she was already dead by then.  I mean Brueckner did murder her, so maybe he killed her while she was still in the apartment, then carried her down the road & chucked her in a bin, destroying the evidence.
I mean, that's possible isn't it, & Kate seemed to think so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 03:11:06 PM
Quote from: barrier on July 29, 2022, 02:48:32 PM
Would that be the same media who told of a piece of fibre found that wasn't , or the same media who  the McCanns  successfully sued, the same media who Murat sued, the same media who reported of damaged shutters, the same media who had the three locals bang to rights in 2014, that media ?

Rowley:(now commissioner at the MET) There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.

If you had the slightest idea of what you are actually signifying with your posting history - I think you would desist forthwith because it really is not a good look by any standards.

It has totally missed you that no-one - absolutely no-one - is the slightest bit interested in sceptic slurring of the McCanns with the exception perhaps of fellow sceptics.

In 2019 the story broke about a German paedophile who was the prime suspect of criminal offences against Madeleine McCann.

In 2020 he was identified as being Christian Brueckner.

That is the story now.

Nothing at all to do with the horrific assumptions of sceptics which have been wrong and deliberately misleading since 2007.

Get used to the new reality of Brueckner.  Because it can only get worse for sceptics over the future months and years when Brueckner will be taking centre stage in proceedings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 29, 2022, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 03:11:06 PM
If you had the slightest idea of what you are actually signifying with your posting history - I think you would desist forthwith because it really is not a good look by any standards.

It has totally missed you that no-one - absolutely no-one - is the slightest bit interested in sceptic slurring of the McCanns with the exception perhaps of fellow sceptics.

In 2019 the story broke about a German paedophile who was the prime suspect of criminal offences against Madeleine McCann.

In 2020 he was identified as being Christian Brueckner.

That is the story now.

Nothing at all to do with the horrific assumptions of sceptics which have been wrong and deliberately misleading since 2007.

Get used to the new reality of Brueckner.  Because it can only get worse for sceptics over the future months and years when Brueckner will be taking centre stage in proceedings.

Well, you can hope, can't you. But, I mean, there's nothing happening in the foreseeable future is there, so you'll just have to cling to the hope something happens after that really won't you, whenever that's supposed to be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2022, 04:41:22 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 10:53:43 AM
Evidence which doesn't lead to a conviction is insufficient evidence and can thereafter be dismissed as lies/misinterpretations/wishful thinking in my experience. I've seen it in action for years.

There is a place for public discussion when assertions and opinions are posted on the public threads - and that place is in public.  If you get my meaning.

Your post was too cryptic for my understanding of it.

Which is why I have posted in response ~
Exactly what have you " ... seen it in action for years" in relation to Madeleine's case?

Brueckner didn't appear on the scene until Amaral 'outed' him prematurely in 2019.  As far as I know over the years there has not been another either with the profile or the back-up evidence to merit being made the prime suspect for all the forces of law and order involved in his investigation.

Do share with us the 'benefits' of your 'experience' - I am sure they must be riveting. ~ a post which you seem to be unwilling or unable to answer.

Allow me to simplify using the statement which since it was made by you must surely be understood by you and therefore worth a response where it was posted which is on the public threads.

You claim particular experiences.  It is not out with the bounds of expectation that you are required when asked to enumerate those 'experiences' to which you lay claim within the bounds of the discussion of Madeleine McCann's case.

You claim this 'experience' has been gained by your watch over a "period of years".  Again - you are the only person who can throw light on that since you are making the claim.  Not difficult to answer - or is it?  I think there is sufficient information regarding Brueckner available in the public domain, maybe you think differently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 29, 2022, 04:57:44 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 29, 2022, 10:53:43 AM
Evidence which doesn't lead to a conviction is insufficient evidence and can thereafter be dismissed as lies/misinterpretations/wishful thinking in my experience. I've seen it in action for years.


If you think the opinion of 3 police forces can simply be dismissed then I think you are deluded.
It will be interesting to see the evidence that has convinced the German investigation 100% that CB murdered MM
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 29, 2022, 04:57:44 PM

If you think the opinion of 3 police forces can simply be dismissed then I think you are deluded.
It will be interesting to see the evidence that has convinced the German investigation 100% that CB murdered MM

I reckon you might be waiting a while.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 01:12:12 PM

He fits the profile of a possible abductor well, doesn't he. (if you take the McCanns word for it that Maddie was actually abducted in the first place)

Lived & worked in & around Luz

Broke into apartments, robbed & raped.

Exposed himself in playgrounds & on beaches.

Molested children & filmed it.

Talked about the case.

Told a paedo he murdered Maddie & destroyed the evidence.

Great, one major flaw in all this is that Maddie would have been his one-off child abduction & murder.

There aren't a string of murders or missing kids that can be in anyway linked to him, that much is obvious.

So, he commits the perfect crime, enjoys it that much he can't stop bragging to his mates about this success, but then decides never to carry out any similar abductions & murders ever again, despite being really good at it.

Just run a kiosk, sell drugs & expose himself in playgrounds.

So why only the one?  Why didn't he carry on doing it, I mean he said he wanted to catch a little one & abuse it for days, didn't he?

So why didn't he?  He was quite capable, apparently.

Maybe because he simply didn't abduct Maddie in the first place, that's possible isn't it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 30, 2022, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 01:12:12 PM
He fits the profile of a possible abductor well, doesn't he. (if you take the McCanns word for it that Maddie was actually abducted in the first place)

Lived & worked in & around Luz

Broke into apartments, robbed & raped.

Exposed himself in playgrounds & on beaches.

Molested children & filmed it.

Talked about the case.

Told a paedo he murdered Maddie & destroyed the evidence.

Great, one major flaw in all this is that Maddie would have been his one-off child abduction & murder.

There aren't a string of murders or missing kids that can be in anyway linked to him, that much is obvious.

So, he commits the perfect crime, enjoys it that much he can't stop bragging to his mates about this success, but then decides never to carry out any similar abductions & murders ever again, despite being really good at it.

Just run a kiosk, sell drugs & expose himself in playgrounds.

So why only the one?  Why didn't he carry on doing it, I mean he said he wanted to catch a little one & abuse it for days, didn't he?

So why didn't he?  He was quite capable, apparently.

Maybe because he simply didn't abduct Maddie in the first place, that's possible isn't it.

Of course he fits the profile as the Germans were unlikely to have their  own profile before he was a suspect and they got involved, were they?
Or they relying on a second hand profile from somewhere else ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 30, 2022, 05:29:20 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 29, 2022, 04:57:44 PM

If you think the opinion of 3 police forces can simply be dismissed then I think you are deluded.
It will be interesting to see the evidence that has convinced the German investigation 100% that CB murdered MM

I don't think you know what 3 police forces think. Only one German prosecutor has shared his thoughts; mostly with journalists.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2022, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2022, 05:29:20 PM
I don't think you know what 3 police forces think. Only one German prosecutor has shared his thoughts; mostly with journalists.
We know the Met think Madeleine was abducted by a stranger  and are working closely wirh the BKA and we know the PJ have made CB an arguido based on significant new evidence , we also know that none of these police forces considers the McCanns were involved in their child’s disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2022, 06:10:27 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2022, 05:29:20 PM
I don't think you know what 3 police forces think. Only one German prosecutor has shared his thoughts; mostly with journalists.
I think I do... He's the only arguido in the Portuguese investigation for starters
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 06:22:05 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 30, 2022, 06:10:27 PM
I think I do... He's the only arguido in the Portuguese investigation for starters

Doesn't mean much really does it, if he isn't being charged anytime.

I mean, he's even failed to answer questions & doesn't have an alibi to refute all the concrete evidence.

They have him bang to rights, just aren't charging him anytime soon for some reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 06:30:48 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2022, 06:09:38 PM
We know the Met think Madeleine was abducted by a stranger  and are working closely wirh the BKA and we know the PJ have made CB an arguido based on significant new evidence , we also know that none of these police forces considers the McCanns were involved in their child’s disappearance.

They only think that then?

Aren't they actually certain of as much on account of all the abduction evidence?

Maybe that's due to the abscence of evidence Maddie was abducted in the first place, apart from the McCanns say so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 30, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 30, 2022, 06:10:27 PM
I think I do... He's the only arguido in the Portuguese investigation for starters

Bild quoted Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher saying: 'The step taken by the Portuguese authorities should not be overrated.

'Without knowing the Portuguese legal situation in detail, I assume that this measure is a procedural artifice to stop the statute of limitations threatening in a few days.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10743607/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-welcome-news-German-rapist-Christian-Brueckner-arguido-status.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2022, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Bild quoted Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher saying: 'The step taken by the Portuguese authorities should not be overrated.

'Without knowing the Portuguese legal situation in detail, I assume that this measure is a procedural artifice to stop the statute of limitations threatening in a few days.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10743607/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-welcome-news-German-rapist-Christian-Brueckner-arguido-status.html
You know that to assume makes an ass of u and me right?  Can the PJ constitute someone as an arguido with no evidence of guilt to support it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 30, 2022, 07:16:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2022, 07:12:19 PM
You know that to assume makes an ass of u and me right?  Can the PJ constitute someone as an arguido with no evidence of guilt to support it?

I don't think so.  Isn't Evidence required these days?  But you never can tell with Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 30, 2022, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 30, 2022, 07:16:13 PM
I don't think so.  Isn't Evidence required these days?  But you never can tell with Portugal.
Fulscher seems to think so, and presumably G-Unit too.  I guess being superior beings they both know better than us mere plebs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 30, 2022, 07:12:19 PM
You know that to assume makes an ass of u and me right?  Can the PJ constitute someone as an arguido with no evidence of guilt to support it?

He's a child molesting rapist who broke into apartments around Luz & told another peado he murdered Maddie & destroyed the evidence, but forgot to destroy the photographic evidence.

That's their evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 07:30:17 PM

Ah, but what about the evidence we don't know about?

Well it's obviously not much use whatever it is, if they even have any, because Brueckner isn't being charged anytime in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2022, 08:50:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 30, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Bild quoted Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher saying: 'The step taken by the Portuguese authorities should not be overrated.

'Without knowing the Portuguese legal situation in detail, I assume that this measure is a procedural artifice to stop the statute of limitations threatening in a few days.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10743607/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-welcome-news-German-rapist-Christian-Brueckner-arguido-status.html

This gives the Portuguese the option to investigate and chsrge CB. As no one else has been named no one else can be investigated or charged by the portuguede
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 30, 2022, 09:05:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 07:30:17 PM
Ah, but what about the evidence we don't know about?

Well it's obviously not much use whatever it is, if they even have any, because Brueckner isn't being charged anytime in the foreseeable future.

Ah you've just gotta believe. Something big is going to happen soon -maybe.
It won't have anything to do with Madeleine, but hey, you can't have everything.  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2022, 09:17:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 30, 2022, 09:05:06 PM
Ah you've just gotta believe. Something big is going to happen soon -maybe.
It won't have anything to do with Madeleine, but hey, you can't have everything.  8(0(*
From what Wolters has said there is a connection between the two rapes and the MM case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 30, 2022, 09:24:20 PM
Aye, Wolters says a lot but fails to deliver
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 30, 2022, 09:27:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 30, 2022, 09:24:20 PM
Aye, Wolters says a lot but fails to deliver

It's the Behan case first.. The evidence has been handed over
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 09:48:36 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 30, 2022, 09:17:54 PM
From what Wolters has said there is a connection between the two rapes and the MM case

You can hope I suppose.

No harm in that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 09:57:06 PM
Just the one abduction & murder for Brueckner was it then folks?

Any suggestions for why he gave up the abducting & murdering after Maddie?

I'm sure there must be a perfectly logical & plausible explanation.

Maybe someone can suggest one, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 30, 2022, 09:05:06 PM
Ah you've just gotta believe. Something big is going to happen soon -maybe.
It won't have anything to do with Madeleine, but hey, you can't have everything.  8(0(*

He doesn't have an alibi & Wolters has concrete evidence he murdered Maddie.

What more does this guy need, honestly?

Why anyone would believe Wolters, I've no idea.

Even Brueckner isn't falling for it, & he of all people should know what concrete evidence he left behind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2022, 09:36:35 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 07:30:17 PM
Ah, but what about the evidence we don't know about?

Well it's obviously not much use whatever it is, if they even have any, because Brueckner isn't being charged anytime in the foreseeable future.

Donald Rumsfield.

There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don’t know we don’t know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2022, 09:38:14 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 30, 2022, 09:17:54 PM
From what Wolters has said there is a connection between the two rapes and the MM case

Has Wolters said it, or has it been reported he said it, world of difference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 09:43:43 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2022, 09:38:14 AM
Has Wolters said it, or has it been reported he said it, world of difference.

another one in denial

it doesnt matter what Wolters says   biased sceptics will rubbish it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 31, 2022, 10:01:37 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2022, 07:30:17 PM
Ah, but what about the evidence we don't know about?

Well it's obviously not much use whatever it is, if they even have any, because Brueckner isn't being charged anytime in the foreseeable future.

I reckon in next year
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:07:04 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 09:43:43 AM
another one in denial

it doesnt matter what Wolters says   biased sceptics will rubbish it

So you can't back up the claim Wolters said it .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:08:15 AM
Quote from: Rossb on July 31, 2022, 10:01:37 AM
I reckon in next year

Wolters said in 2020 it would only be a couple of months.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 31, 2022, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:08:15 AM
Wolters said in 2020 it would only be a couple of months.
Have you got a cite please?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 31, 2022, 10:31:13 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 31, 2022, 10:26:47 AM
Have you got a cite please?

Newspaper quote i think even so its difficult to put a timeline on it. Doesmt bother me saying few months or two years as long as charges r made. Which i reckon they will after the other crimes they r now charging which will take a bit time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:32:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 31, 2022, 10:26:47 AM
Have you got a cite please?

See you're catching on, its/was in the brit rags, is it reliable ?



He said he hoped to be able to charge Brueckner within the next two months – but has added that their investigation will not drag on forever.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8624403/Lawyer-McCann-suspect-Brueckner-says-does-not-believe-German-charged.html

Also.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told the McCanns they had concrete evidence that Madeleine was dead in the biggest breakthrough in the 13 year case and said he hoped they could charge Brueckner within the next two months – but has added that their investigation won’t drag on forever.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8528125/Police-close-identifying-caller-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-spoke-night-vanished.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
Quote from: Rossb on July 31, 2022, 10:31:13 AM
Newspaper quote i think even so its difficult to put a timeline on it. Doesmt bother me saying few months or two years as long as charges r made. Which i reckon they will after the other crimes they r now charging which will take a bit time.

Another who is catching on, Davel seems to think its in the papers so its true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 31, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
Quote from: Rossb on July 31, 2022, 10:31:13 AM
Newspaper quote i think even so its difficult to put a timeline on it. Doesmt bother me saying few months or two years as long as charges r made. Which i reckon they will after the other crimes they r now charging which will take a bit time.
It wasn’t even a quote.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:51:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 31, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
It wasn’t even a quote.

Which is my point, is there a quote from Wolters that links the rape cases to a child's alleged murder ? you after all liked a davel post rubbishing sceptics for being non believers .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 31, 2022, 10:51:58 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:32:14 AM
See you're catching on, its/was in the brit rags, is it reliable ?



He said he hoped to be able to charge Brueckner within the next two months – but has added that their investigation will not drag on forever.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8624403/Lawyer-McCann-suspect-Brueckner-says-does-not-believe-German-charged.html

Also.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told the McCanns they had concrete evidence that Madeleine was dead in the biggest breakthrough in the 13 year case and said he hoped they could charge Brueckner within the next two months – but has added that their investigation won’t drag on forever.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8528125/Police-close-identifying-caller-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-spoke-night-vanished.html
It’s patently obvious that HCW thinks there is a link between the rape cases and Madeleine’s disappearance  as he is investigating CB for all these crimes!  It really isn’t up for debate is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 31, 2022, 10:53:05 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:51:35 AM
Which is my point, is there a quote from Wolters that links the rape cases to a child's alleged murder ?
Please stop being silly - who is being investigated for all these crimes by HCW?  Is it one person?  Could that be the link do you think?  D’oh!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 31, 2022, 10:51:58 AM
It’s patently obvious that HCW thinks there is a link between the rape cases and Madeleine’s disappearance  as he is investigating CB for all these crimes!  It really isn’t up for debate is it?

I see so CB being investigated is the link, not evidence .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 31, 2022, 10:53:05 AM
Please stop being silly - who is being investigated for all these crimes by HCW?  Is it one person?  Could that be the link do you think?  D’oh!!

Whats the evidence to link them ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 31, 2022, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
Another who is catching on, Davel seems to think its in the papers so its true.

Davel? Police can change tactics, unessacary to really understand from our point of view the legal process and length taken.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 31, 2022, 11:05:45 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
Whats the evidence to link them ?
The evidence that points to one man’s involvement obviously.  If you want to know precisely what that is I suggest you apply for a job with the BKA and ask to be put on the case, alternatively wait and see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on July 31, 2022, 11:26:55 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 31, 2022, 11:05:45 AM
The evidence that points to one man’s involvement obviously.  If you want to know precisely what that is I suggest you apply for a job with the BKA and ask to be put on the case, alternatively wait and see.

He will get charged, patience sometimes is a virtue.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 11:46:57 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:51:35 AM
Which is my point, is there a quote from Wolters that links the rape cases to a child's alleged murder ? you after all liked a davel post rubbishing sceptics for being non believers .

As I recall there is a quote in a newspaper. I give it credibility because it fits with my thoughts on photographic evidence and it would be a very strange thing for papers to make uo
The point I was making is what difference does it make if Wolters said it live on TV and swore on his holy bible... You still wouldn't believe him.. Do you understand now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 11:48:30 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
Whats the evidence to link them ?

I could tell you but you wouldn't even consider it... So what's the point
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: Rossb on July 31, 2022, 11:26:55 AM
He will get charged, patience sometimes is a virtue.

I'm sure he would be charged if it was Wolter's decision, but it isn't. It's up to a judge who will be well aware that the eyes of the world are on Germany's legal system. I expect him or her to be very careful that only strong cases are prosecuted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 11:48:55 AM
I'm sure he would be charged if it was Wolter's decision, but it isn't. It's up to a judge who will be well aware that the eyes of the world are on Germany's legal system. I expect him or her to be very careful that only strong cases are prosecuted.

Wolters has made it clear he wants a watertight case.. Are you following what he's saying
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 31, 2022, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 11:48:55 AM
I'm sure he would be charged if it was Wolter's decision, but it isn't. It's up to a judge who will be well aware that the eyes of the world are on Germany's legal system. I expect him or her to be very careful that only strong cases are prosecuted.
Well done, that’s how it works in Germany and why it is taking time to build a watertight case. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 31, 2022, 12:09:10 PM
Well done, that’s how it works in Germany and why it is taking time to build a watertight case.

Good to see that  gunit now understands the situation...As Wolters has said... CB is going nowhere... No rush
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2022, 12:20:15 PM
Quote from: Rossb on July 31, 2022, 10:01:37 AM
I reckon in next year

Well, you can hope I suppose.
No harm in that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2022, 12:21:00 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 31, 2022, 12:09:10 PM
Well done, that’s how it works in Germany and why it is taking time to build a watertight case.

Or maybe he just doesn't have anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2022, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
Wolters has made it clear he wants a watertight case.. Are you following what he's saying

Yeah, he talks a lot.
Not much good at presenting evidence though.
But maybe Wolters concrete evidence will convince a judge, if he really has any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2022, 12:31:03 PM

Old "just the one abduction & murder" Brueckner.
Wolters is going to put a stop to his murderous ways, even though he already gave up of his own free will for some reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 12:40:51 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
Wolters has made it clear he wants a watertight case.. Are you following what he's saying

I've been watching and listening to Wolters ever since he emerged as the spokesperson of the Brunswick prosecutor's office. I've watched his transform from someone full of confidence, happy to speak to anyone and everyone into a much quieter person with a less confident attitude. What he wants isn't necessarily what he'll get.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2022, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 12:14:37 PM
Good to see that  gunit now understands the situation...As Wolters has said... CB is going nowhere... No rush

He'll be a free man before Wolters ever finds any abduction evidence.
Not because Brueckner destroyed it all, it's because there just isn't any in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 12:40:51 PM
I've been watching and listening to Wolters ever since he emerged as the spokesperson of the Brunswick prosecutor's office. I've watched his transform from someone full of confidence, happy to speak to anyone and everyone into a much quieter person with a less confident attitude. What he wants isn't necessarily what he'll get.

Do you realise that's your biased opinion.. Not fact... I don't think you do
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 31, 2022, 12:55:23 PM

IMOs seem to have gone by the board again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 12:51:33 PM
Do you realise that's your biased opinion.. Not fact... I don't think you do

As opposed to your unbiased opinion of the man, you mean? Obviously you haven't noticed how much quieter he is these days.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2022, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
As opposed to your unbiased opinion of the man, you mean? Obviously you haven't noticed how much quieter he is these days.

He's busy working very hard on nailing Brueckner & only has time to talk to Jon Clarke & Sandra.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 31, 2022, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
As opposed to your unbiased opinion of the man, you mean? Obviously you haven't noticed how much quieter he is these days.
Can you give us some examples to contrast and compare (preferably with an accompanying decibel reading, ta).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2022, 12:58:33 PM
He's busy working very hard on nailing Brueckner & only has time to talk to Jon Clarke & Sandra.

They don't seem to be saying much either just now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 31, 2022, 02:16:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
As opposed to your unbiased opinion of the man, you mean? Obviously you haven't noticed how much quieter he is these days.

im not disputing that...what Im disputing is you claiming as a fact hes less confident now.
He may be quietter for lots of reasons...but once again you think your opinion is fact..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 31, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 01:55:57 PM
They don't seem to be saying much either just now.
What do you expect exactly?  Weekly press briefings?  When he has something to say, the. he will say it, until then just be patient and don’t assume his silence means it’s all going horribly wrong (which it seems is the preferred interpretation by our resident cynic sceptics).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2022, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 31, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
What do you expect exactly?  Weekly press briefings?  When he has something to say, the. he will say it, until then just be patient and don’t assume his silence means it’s all going horribly wrong (which it seems is the preferred interpretation by our resident cynic sceptics).

Well, it obviously isn't going well is it, since Wolters can't see Brueckner being charged anytime in the foreseeable future. But maybe after that aye. You can always hope can't you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 31, 2022, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 31, 2022, 12:40:51 PM
I've been watching and listening to Wolters ever since he emerged as the spokesperson of the Brunswick prosecutor's office. I've watched his transform from someone full of confidence, happy to speak to anyone and everyone into a much quieter person with a less confident attitude. What he wants isn't necessarily what he'll get.
Question: would you be pleased if, by pursuing the line of investigation he is currently on, he brought a successful conclusion and conviction in this case or not? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2022, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 31, 2022, 03:34:07 PM
Question: would you be pleased if, by pursuing the line of investigation he is currently on, he brought a successful conclusion and conviction in this case or not?

Well, I'm sure you would, but it simply isn't going to happen anytime in the foreseeable future though I'm afraid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: barrier on July 31, 2022, 10:51:35 AM
Which is my point, is there a quote from Wolters that links the rape cases to a child's alleged murder ? you after all liked a davel post rubbishing sceptics for being non believers .

"German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, who is leading the inquiries into the rape of Ms Behan and the disappearance of Maddie, said there were similarities between the three cases.

He said: “The case against the suspect Christian B for the rape of Hazel Behan is in a good way, and it may be that we can charge him in the next three months. I am very hopeful for a charge on this case.

'PARALLELS' IN CRIMES

“We are building a picture of Christian B and the methods he uses to commit his crimes.

“There are parallels with the case of the American tourist who was raped, the attack on Hazel Behan, and the abduction and murder of Madeleine McCann.”

He added to the Sunday Times: “In each case the person has come into the person’s apartment or property by breaking and entering, often not through the door.”

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6934773/suspect-disappearance-madeleine-mccann-charged-rape-hazel-behan/


Real solid stuff, isn't it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on August 01, 2022, 10:08:30 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 09:45:11 AM
"German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, who is leading the inquiries into the rape of Ms Behan and the disappearance of Maddie, said there were similarities between the three cases.

He said: “The case against the suspect Christian B for the rape of Hazel Behan is in a good way, and it may be that we can charge him in the next three months. I am very hopeful for a charge on this case.

'PARALLELS' IN CRIMES

“We are building a picture of Christian B and the methods he uses to commit his crimes.

“There are parallels with the case of the American tourist who was raped, the attack on Hazel Behan, and the abduction and murder of Madeleine McCann.”

He added to the Sunday Times: “In each case the person has come into the person’s apartment or property by breaking and entering, often not through the door.”

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6934773/suspect-disappearance-madeleine-mccann-charged-rape-hazel-behan/


Real solid stuff, isn't it.

This is a foreign police force investigating in different foreign countries for crimes committed over 15 years ago. Things will not be hunky dory all the way through!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 10:14:29 AM
Quote from: Rossb on August 01, 2022, 10:08:30 AM
This is a foreign police force investigating in different foreign countries for crimes committed over 15 years ago. Things will not be hunky dory all the way through!

When will they ever start going well at all?
I mean, Wolters isn't having much luck at the moment is he.
But maybe tomorrow aye.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on August 01, 2022, 10:17:21 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 10:14:29 AM
When will they ever start going well at all?
I mean, Wolters isn't having much luck at the moment is he.
But maybe tomorrow aye.

'Cimes' committed in a 'foreign' country. Just be a bit patient pal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 10:18:20 AM
Quote from: Rossb on August 01, 2022, 10:17:21 AM
'Cimes' committed in a 'foreign' country. Just be a bit patient pal.

You'll be waiting a long time, mate.
Me, I'm sticking with reality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 10:26:59 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 09:45:11 AM
"German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, who is leading the inquiries into the rape of Ms Behan and the disappearance of Maddie, said there were similarities between the three cases.

He said: “The case against the suspect Christian B for the rape of Hazel Behan is in a good way, and it may be that we can charge him in the next three months. I am very hopeful for a charge on this case.

'PARALLELS' IN CRIMES

“We are building a picture of Christian B and the methods he uses to commit his crimes.

“There are parallels with the case of the American tourist who was raped, the attack on Hazel Behan, and the abduction and murder of Madeleine McCann.”

He added to the Sunday Times: “In each case the person has come into the person’s apartment or property by breaking and entering, often not through the door.”

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6934773/suspect-disappearance-madeleine-mccann-charged-rape-hazel-behan/


Real solid stuff, isn't it.

Breaking and entering is a method used by most burglars in the area, so it's hardly a sign that CB was involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 10:47:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 10:26:59 AM
Breaking and entering is a method used by most burglars in the area, so it's hardly a sign that CB was involved.

Ahh, but there's more, linking Brueckner, Behan & Maddie, going to come out during the Behan trial, you see.

Although, Wolters has already interviewed Behan, obviously, so he already has all her evidence anyway.
So that doesn't make much sense really does it.

But, maybe the 12" zombie knife Brueckner threatened Behan with is also visible in the photo of Maddie?
However, Wolters would already know that too, so that doesn't make any sense either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2022, 10:57:57 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 10:26:59 AM
Breaking and entering is a method used by most burglars in the area, so it's hardly a sign that CB was involved.

My money would be on the known burglars whose phones were pinging to each others' at the relevant times.

The information to eliminate them from the inquiry was not taken in 2007 when the information was available.

For some that had to wait until 2014 when they were interviewed by the PJ acting for Scotland Yard.

The process involving Brueckner whose phone also pinged in Luz is still ongoing.  So we will just have to wait to see if he is eliminated from the inquiry when interviewed - if he decides to break his silence - or if charges will result.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 11:01:34 AM
Quote from: Brietta on August 01, 2022, 10:57:57 AM
My money would be on the known burglars whose phones were pinging to each others' at the relevant times.

The information to eliminate them from the inquiry was not taken in 2007 when the information was available.

For some that had to wait until 2014 when they were interviewed by the PJ acting for Scotland Yard.

The process involving Brueckner whose phone also pinged in Luz is still ongoing.  So we will just have to wait to see if he is eliminated from the inquiry when interviewed - if he decides to break his silence - or if charges will result.

Lost a little confidence in Wolters & his concrete evidence now it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 11:13:49 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 10:26:59 AM
Breaking and entering is a method used by most burglars in the area, so it's hardly a sign that CB was involved.
I wonder how often women are raped by strangers in their own rooms or houses on the Algarve?  Is it a common occurrence there do you think?  If so, another reason to give the place the swerve when considering holiday options...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 01, 2022, 11:13:49 AM
I wonder how often women are raped by strangers in their own rooms or houses on the Algarve? Is it a common occurrence there do you think?  If so, another reason to give the place the swerve when considering holiday options...

What's the connection to Maddie exactly?

Is there any?

Best Wolters can come up with is an open window in the McCann apartment, that was only ever open if you believe the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 01, 2022, 11:33:51 AM
Quote from: Rossb on August 01, 2022, 10:08:30 AM
This is a foreign police force investigating in different foreign countries for crimes committed over 15 years ago. Things will not be hunky dory all the way through!

Indeed and what is telling imo is that here are no reports of German investigators in Luz , aka OG, so it could be argued OG did all the ground work, its now up to the BKA to unravel it all.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 01, 2022, 11:39:40 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 11:16:49 AM
What's the connection to Maddie exactly?

Is there any?

Best Wolters can come up with is an open window in the McCann apartment, that was only ever open if you believe the McCanns.

The connection is CB, you're just not seeing it, Wolters said so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 11:39:40 AM
The connection is CB, you're just not seeing it, Wolters said so.

Well, if Wolters said so then that's it for Brueckner really.

Once Wolters says so in front of a judge then he's screwed.

Not sure when that's supposed to be happening though, if ever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2022, 12:03:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 01, 2022, 11:13:49 AM
I wonder how often women are raped by strangers in their own rooms or houses on the Algarve?  Is it a common occurrence there do you think?  If so, another reason to give the place the swerve when considering holiday options...

Particularly if rape and torture - even murder -  don't appear to merit proper investigation which might lead to prosecution.  It had to wait for foreign investigation in at least two cases we know of before any positive action was taken.

Then there is the Jacinta Rees 'suicide' which proves the 'damned lies and statistics' notion.
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 01:05:33 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 11:39:40 AM
The connection is CB, you're just not seeing it, Wolters said so.
Do you think that CB's profile, alleged utterings and criminal history make him an unlikely suspect for the crimes of entering properties illegally for the purposes of harming or abusing vulnerable females within?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 01, 2022, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 01, 2022, 01:05:33 PM
Do you think that CB's profile, alleged utterings and criminal history make him an unlikely suspect for the crimes of entering properties illegally for the purposes of harming or abusing vulnerable females within?


Diesel theft, house breaking with it's reported a 100000 euros bounty, then to murder ? the link is ? a rape of a senior citizen  ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2022, 01:24:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 01:15:36 PM

Diesel theft, house breaking with it's reported a 100000 euros bounty, then to murder ? the link is ? a rape of a senior citizen  ?

Do you know what offenses you have forgotten to take into account??

Try his known activities on the dark web and his outstanding collection of child pornographic images - not to mention his convictions for child abuse.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 01, 2022, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 01, 2022, 01:24:14 PM
Do you know what offenses you have forgotten to take into account??

Try his known activities on the dark web and his outstanding collection of child pornographic images - not to mention his convictions for child abuse.

Many times links have been provided where paedo's have downloaded 1000's of images no doubt from the dark web and not one of them progressed to murder ,(Remember Operation Ore ) so why does it follow CB is one, Wolters imo cannot get the evidence, he can't even place him in Luz .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 01:37:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 01:32:54 PM
Many times links have been provided where paedo's have downloaded 1000's of images no doubt from the dark web and not one of them progressed to murder ,(Remember Operation Ore ) so why does it follow CB is one, Wolters imo cannot get the evidence, he can't even place him in Luz .

IMO he doesn't need to, he's got the concrete murder evidence remember, abduction is a given.

Although, Wolters isn't sharing the concrete murder evidence with either the MET, McCanns, Brueckners lawyers or a judge, for some inexplicable reason.

IMO he's shown it to the PJ though, but they don't seem to be doing much about it. IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 01, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 01:32:54 PM
Many times links have been provided where paedo's have downloaded 1000's of images no doubt from the dark web and not one of them progressed to murder ,(Remember Operation Ore ) so why does it follow CB is one, Wolters imo cannot get the evidence, he can't even place him in Luz .

Please do not be ridiculous.  I do not intend to discuss the heinous well corroborated instances in existence which you deny.
With the exception of stating my disgust at how you are intent on minimising what some seem to think is a victimless crime.

You know nothing of the evidence the forces of law and order have against Brueckner and until you do I suggest it would be good practice to wait before launching defence of his honour.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 01:15:36 PM

Diesel theft, house breaking with it's reported a 100000 euros bounty, then to murder ? the link is ? a rape of a senior citizen  ?
So - is your answer "yes, CB is a very unlikely suspect for the crime of abducting and murdering a child for the purposes of abuse"?  A simply nod or shake emoji will do if you can't bring yourself to construct a sentence in reply.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 01, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Please do not be ridiculous.  I do not intend to discuss the heinous well corroborated instances in existence which you deny.
With the exception of stating my disgust at how you are intent on minimising what some seem to think is a victimless crime.

You know nothing of the evidence the forces of law and order have against Brueckner and until you do I suggest it would be good practice to wait before launching defence of his honour.

Well, we know there isn't enough to convict Brueckner of abduction & murder anytime in the forseeable future.

We know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 01, 2022, 03:43:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 01, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Please do not be ridiculous.  I do not intend to discuss the heinous well corroborated instances in existence which you deny.
With the exception of stating my disgust at how you are intent on minimising what some seem to think is a victimless crime.

You know nothing of the evidence the forces of law and order have against Brueckner and until you do I suggest it would be good practice to wait before launching defence of his honour.

He has no honour, still does not a killer make, oh how you are salivating over the suspect hoping against hope he did for Madeleine, proves you right in supporting the paedo theory and all it entails, clear as day. At least I can stay on the moral side of the compass and say  no paedo did for Madeleine.imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 01, 2022, 03:47:47 PM
Those who find themselves ridiculous sit down next to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 01, 2022, 03:52:05 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 03:43:21 PM
He has no honour, still does not a killer make, oh how you are salivating over the suspect hoping against hope he did for Madeleine, proves you right in supporting the paedo theory and all it entails, clear as day. At least I can stay on the moral side of the compass and say  no paedo did for Madeleine.imo.

That puts you and others on the immoral side of the compass for using Maddied fate to try and score points... Disgusting behaviour
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 01, 2022, 03:52:05 PM
That puts you and others on the immoral side of the compass for using Maddied fate to try and score points... Disgusting behaviour

I don't lose any sleep over it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 01, 2022, 04:01:05 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 01, 2022, 03:52:05 PM
That puts you and others on the immoral side of the compass for using Maddied fate to try and score points... Disgusting behaviour

Touched a nerve it seems .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 04:02:59 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 04:01:05 PM
Touched a nerve it seems .

It's alright when they do it, playing for points.

No issues then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 01, 2022, 04:19:57 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 04:01:05 PM
Touched a nerve it seems .

Not really.. I think your accusation is plain daft
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 04:21:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 03:43:21 PM
He has no honour, still does not a killer make, oh how you are salivating over the suspect hoping against hope he did for Madeleine, proves you right in supporting the paedo theory and all it entails, clear as day. At least I can stay on the moral side of the compass and say  no paedo did for Madeleine.imo.
What utter tripe of the first order.  Anyone who thinks they hold the moral highgound because they refuse to accept the likelihood that Madeleine was abducted and murdered by a paedophile must have sawdust for brains.  Seriously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 04:24:46 PM
I don’t believe Suzy Lamplugh was abducted and murdered, I think she ran off to join the circus.  This gives me the moral high ground over anyone who thinks differently to me. 
See?  Utter shite innit?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 04:26:15 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 01, 2022, 04:01:05 PM
Touched a nerve it seems .
Was that your sole intention?  Simply to provoke a reaction?  Then you know what?  I may have to confer troll status upon you after all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 01, 2022, 04:26:15 PM
Was that your sole intention?  Simply to provoke a reaction?  Then you know what?  I may have to confer troll status upon you after all.

If you confer all sceptics to troll status you can pretend not to read any opposing views at all I suppose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 05:21:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 01, 2022, 11:13:49 AM
I wonder how often women are raped by strangers in their own rooms or houses on the Algarve?  Is it a common occurrence there do you think?  If so, another reason to give the place the swerve when considering holiday options...

Ms Behan's attacker knew her name and where she lived. Maybe he'd been stalking her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 05:33:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 05:21:38 PM
Ms Behan's attacker knew her name and where she lived. Maybe he'd been stalking her.

Maybe Brueckner stalked Maddie?

I mean, there's no evidence to support the idea, but maybe he did, or didn't.  Perhaps Wolters knows & he'll let the McCanns know, maybe he can trust them with that information, just not with the concrete evidence though.
He can't trust them with that information, for some unfathomable reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 05:34:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 05:21:38 PM
Ms Behan's attacker knew her name and where she lived. Maybe he'd been stalking her.
And?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 09:13:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 01, 2022, 05:34:59 PM
And?

Maybe he was a stranger to her, but it sounds like he knew her to some extent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 09:13:47 PM
Maybe he was a stranger to her, but it sounds like he knew her to some extent.
What are you trying to say?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 09:25:00 PM
I seem to recall Jassi suggesting the elderly rape victim in PdL knew her attacker and may have invited him into her home because she wanted some company.  And yet it’s us supporters that are supposed to have the faulty moral compass!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 01, 2022, 09:22:10 PM
What are you trying to say?

Just musing on whether he was a complete stranger, that's all. As a holiday rep people would know her name, but holidaymakers would be unlikely to have a machete to hand.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 09:46:54 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 01, 2022, 09:42:34 PM
Just musing on whether he was a complete stranger, that's all. As a holiday rep people would know her name, but holidaymakers would be unlikely to have a machete to hand.
What difference does it make actually?  The rape victims in both cases obviously didn’t know thr identity of their assailant otherwise they would have probably mentioned his name don’t you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 01, 2022, 09:56:29 PM

This is awful.  The Rape Victims asked for it?

No doubt the children wanted to play mummies and daddies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 10:07:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 01, 2022, 09:56:29 PM
This is awful.  The Rape Victims asked for it?

No doubt the children wanted to play mummies and daddies.

If it's that awful then why on earth did you suggest it?

Nobody else did.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 01, 2022, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 01, 2022, 09:56:29 PM
This is awful. The Rape Victims asked for it?

No doubt the children wanted to play mummies and daddies.
That does seem to be the implication…
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 01, 2022, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 01, 2022, 09:25:00 PM
I seem to recall Jassi suggesting the elderly rape victim in PdL knew her attacker and may have invited him into her home because she wanted some company.  And yet it’s us supporters that are supposed to have the faulty moral compass!

People do say some rather silly things on here don't they.

Remember when some people were saying Wolters had solved the case?

We can laugh about it now but at the time they were quite serious.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:10:08 AM
Hazel B thought she may have been stalked prior to the raape.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-woman-tied-up-raped-22164282
*snipped*
She suspects she was being stalked and the suspect had been in her room in the weeks before the rape because money was missing and belongings had been moved.

-----------
I'll hazard aa guess Brueckner will admit to breaking into Hazel's apartment on an earlier occasion and that his fingerprint must have been left on one of her kitchen knives after he'd made himself a sandwich.  ^*&&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:10:08 AM
Hazel B thought she may have been stalked prior to the raape.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-woman-tied-up-raped-22164282
*snipped*
She suspects she was being stalked and the suspect had been in her room in the weeks before the rape because money was missing and belongings had been moved.

-----------
I'll hazard aa guess Brueckner will admit to breaking into Hazel's apartment on an earlier occasion and that his fingerprint must have been left on one of her kitchen knives after he'd made himself a sandwich.  ^*&&

Right, still not sure what the connection to Maddie is supposed to be exactly but some people believe there is one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 02, 2022, 11:30:20 AM
Quote from: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:10:08 AM
Hazel B thought she may have been stalked prior to the raape.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-woman-tied-up-raped-22164282
*snipped*
She suspects she was being stalked and the suspect had been in her room in the weeks before the rape because money was missing and belongings had been moved.

-----------
I'll hazard aa guess Brueckner will admit to breaking into Hazel's apartment on an earlier occasion and that his fingerprint must have been left on one of her kitchen knives after he'd made himself a sandwich.  ^*&&

Probably went through her underwear drawer as well, but couldn't find anything to fit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 11:34:53 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 02, 2022, 11:30:20 AM
Probably went through her underwear drawer as well, but couldn't find anything to fit.

Yeah he liked wearing stockings apparently, grannies, young women, kids, womens clothing.

Kinky.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 02, 2022, 11:38:41 AM
Quote from: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:10:08 AM
Hazel B thought she may have been stalked prior to the raape.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-woman-tied-up-raped-22164282
*snipped*
She suspects she was being stalked and the suspect had been in her room in the weeks before the rape because money was missing and belongings had been moved.

-----------
I'll hazard aa guess Brueckner will admit to breaking into Hazel's apartment on an earlier occasion and that his fingerprint must have been left on one of her kitchen knives after he'd made himself a sandwich.  ^*&&

Very good thinking Misty and I think I can take it s little further. We know that Ms Behan recognised the account of the rape of the American woman to be identical to hers.
Wolterd can use these facts to show that with the print on the knife and identical MO that CB guilty.

If he has a video or some other info describing the attack on Maddie... With the same MO.. This is Evidence linking him to the MM case... This is what could link the three cases.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 02, 2022, 11:38:41 AM
Very good thinking Misty and I think I can take it s little further. We know that Ms Behan recognised the account of the rape of the American woman to be identical to hers.
Wolyers can use these facts to show that with the print on the knife and identical MO that CB guilty.

If hr has a video or some other info describing the attack on Maddie... With the same MO.. Evidence linking him to the MM case... This is what could link the three cases.

Brueckner doesn't seem too concerned about the idea, & he of all people would know if there was a video or not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 11:25:43 AM
Right, still not sure what the connection to Maddie is supposed to be exactly but some people believe there is one.


A description of a rape almost identical to Hazel's may have been chronicled in Brueckner's Das Buch 1 or 2.
A description of an abduction and subsequent murder of a young child from a holiday apartment may also feature in the same documents.
JMO - but also referenced by Amaral in his recent book whilst claiming that there was no way to know if CB's words were fact or fiction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:41:09 AM

A description of a rape almost identical to Hazel's may have been chronicled in Brueckner's Das Buch 1 or 2.
A description of an abduction and subsequent murder of a young child from a holiday apartment may also feature in the same documents.
JMO - but also referenced by Amaral in his recent book whilst claiming that there was no way to know if CB's words were fact or fiction.

Well it must be true because Brueckner is the murder, 100%, Wolters said so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 02, 2022, 11:30:20 AM
Probably went through her underwear drawer as well, but couldn't find anything to fit.

CB had a penchant for female one piece swimming costumes, not underwear. A little googling will lead you to a tale about a male wearing such a costume far too small for him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 02, 2022, 11:45:41 AM
As I've said before... Hopefully the Behan case is in progress.
Might be best to judge Wolters after this case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:45:07 AM
CB had a penchant for female one piece swimming costumes, not underwear. A little googling will lead you to a tale about a male wearing such a costume far too small for him.

I prefer to read the news or listen to lectures on youtube, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 02, 2022, 11:49:06 AM
If there is a video it does not directly identify CB... That would explain his confidence.. Wolyers may well be able to identify him indirectly
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 11:46:18 AM
I prefer to read the news or listen to lectures on youtube, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

So you're not a "why" man, then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 11:51:20 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 02, 2022, 11:49:06 AM
If there is a video it does not directly identify CB... That would explain his confidence.. Wolyers may well be able to identify him indirectly

Or maybe you just have a fertile imagination & too much faith in Wolters & the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 11:54:42 AM


However, the McCanns don't believe Wolters & he won't show them concrete evidence their daughter is dead for some reason.

That could damage the case apparently, in a way in which nobody can explain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 02, 2022, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:10:08 AM
Hazel B thought she may have been stalked prior to the raape.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-woman-tied-up-raped-22164282
*snipped*
She suspects she was being stalked and the suspect had been in her room in the weeks before the rape because money was missing and belongings had been moved.

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I'll hazard aa guess Brueckner will admit to breaking into Hazel's apartment on an earlier occasion and that his fingerprint must have been left on one of her kitchen knives after he'd made himself a sandwich.  ^*&&

I would go with that one Misty.  Although there are obvious pitfalls attached.  First one being the establishment and confirmation of the MO which might pin him in with with the prosecutors' thoughts regarding the other cases the files of  which are currently with his legal team.

Decisions! Decisions!  I'm not quite sure which way he jumps on that one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 02, 2022, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 02, 2022, 12:05:10 PM
I would go with that one Misty.  Although there are obvious pitfalls attached.  First one being the establishment and confirmation of the MO which might pin him in with with the prosecutors' thoughts regarding the other cases the files of  which are currently with his legal team.

Decisions! Decisions!  I'm not quite sure which way he jumps on that one.

Habitual Criminals do tend to stick to a method.  Which is why so many of them get caught in the end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Quote from: misty on August 02, 2022, 11:10:08 AM
Hazel B thought she may have been stalked prior to the raape.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-woman-tied-up-raped-22164282
*snipped*
She suspects she was being stalked and the suspect had been in her room in the weeks before the rape because money was missing and belongings had been moved.

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I'll hazard aa guess Brueckner will admit to breaking into Hazel's apartment on an earlier occasion and that his fingerprint must have been left on one of her kitchen knives after he'd made himself a sandwich.  ^*&&

Indeed all that a finger print can show is that a person touched the surface from where is was lifted from. I'd venture more than that is needed and this is why if true then a physical feature identifying an alleged rapist is claimed and CB was examined for such.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Indeed all that a finger print can show is that a person touched the surface from where is was lifted from. I'd venture more than that is needed and this is why if true then a physical feature identifying an alleged rapist is claimed and CB was examined for such.

Hazel will have to take the stand against him, then somehow, as if by magic, Maddie evidence emerges.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 02, 2022, 12:37:07 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Indeed all that a finger print can show is that a person touched the surface from where is was lifted from. I'd venture more than that is needed and this is why if true then a physical feature identifying an alleged rapist is claimed and CB was examined for such.
How unlucky could one guy be to leave a hair at one rape scene and a fingerprint at another, both rapes carried out in an identical fashion and NOT be the perpetrator!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 02, 2022, 12:37:07 PM
How unlucky could one guy be to leave a hair at one rape scene and a fingerprint at another, both rapes carried out in an identical fashion and NOT be the perpetrator!

How many points of a partial print does it need in Germany to be used in evidence ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 02, 2022, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:41:54 PM
How many points of a partial print does it need in Germany to be used in evidence ?
What's that got to do with what I wrote? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 02, 2022, 12:50:58 PM
What's that got to do with what I wrote?

You want CB to be in the room with HB, so how many points on a partial does it take in German law to be used in evidence , also does CB have a physical identifying mark similar to what is alleged  HB says. Get past those two and you may have an argument .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:55:46 PM
You want CB to be in the room with HB, so how many points on a partial does it take in German law to be used in evidence , also does CB have a physical identifying mark similar to what is alleged  HB says. Get past those two and you may have an argument .

It seems he must have destroyed/disposed of the video of him raping Behan or it would have been a slam dunk ages ago really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 02, 2022, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:55:46 PM
You want CB to be in the room with HB, so how many points on a partial does it take in German law to be used in evidence , also does CB have a physical identifying mark similar to what is alleged  HB says. Get past those two and you may have an argument .
I don’t “want” anything.  My post was about the coincidence of a common  or garden simple burglar  leaving traces of himself at two very similar crime scenes.  Do you have a problem with that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 02, 2022, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Indeed all that a finger print can show is that a person touched the surface from where is was lifted from. I'd venture more than that is needed and this is why if true then a physical feature identifying an alleged rapist is claimed and CB was examined for such.

That's where the MO comes in... And perhaps many similarities in all three cases
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 02:06:24 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 02, 2022, 01:46:44 PM
That's where the MO comes in... And perhaps many similarities in all three cases

Or perhaps he raped the two women but had nothing at all to do with Madeleine's disappearance.
The burden of proof is on wolters & he's not having much luck with that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 02, 2022, 02:33:47 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Indeed all that a finger print can show is that a person touched the surface from where is was lifted from. I'd venture more than that is needed and this is why if true then a physical feature identifying an alleged rapist is claimed and CB was examined for such.
I rather think you've got that one wrong.

Somewhere within the 110 page file giving details of the outrages committed against her by her assailant I think will be her account of exactly what the circumstances of the contact made between the surface it was lifted from and her assailant.


Detectives in Portugal last week collected the archived case file on the vicious assault in 2004 of Hazel Behan, who was working as a holiday rep in Praia da Rocha on the Algarve, according to a source in the public prosecutor’s office.

.............................................................................................

The 110-page case file, which has been seen by the Guardian and is being held at a court in Portimão, includes details of objects collected by police from the scene of the attack. Among these were the scissors used by Behan’s attacker to cut her clothes, one of her fingernails, and a shirt on which blood was found.


The items were tested for DNA, according to a report in the file. A swab was also taken during a medical examination but was destroyed in 2007, according to the file, because it had been kept in “adverse preservation conditions”. The rest of the items were destroyed in 2009.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/portugal-police-could-reopen-case-irish-woman-hazel-behan-2004-madeleine-mccann



Also I think it incredibly naive to imagine that more than one purpose was not served by having anatomical photographs of a rapist's body freely given without subterfuge or duress which might give answer to other pertinent questions.

The Mail on Sunday has established that Christian Brueckner used a Casio Exilim digital camera to store 391 child porn pictures and 68 videos showing the rape and abuse of minors.

It was the same device that he used to take images of himself sexually abusing the five-year-old daughter of an ex-girlfriend.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654423/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-secret-stash-391-child-porn-photos-68-videos.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 02, 2022, 02:36:49 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 02, 2022, 12:41:54 PM
How many points of a partial print does it need in Germany to be used in evidence ?

  😉  I don't think you are going to have too long to wait before you find that out
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 02, 2022, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Brietta on August 02, 2022, 02:33:47 PM
I rather think you've got that one wrong.

Somewhere within the 110 page file giving details of the outrages committed against her by her assailant I think will be her account of exactly what the circumstances of the contact made between the surface it was lifted from and her assailant.


Detectives in Portugal last week collected the archived case file on the vicious assault in 2004 of Hazel Behan, who was working as a holiday rep in Praia da Rocha on the Algarve, according to a source in the public prosecutor’s office.

.............................................................................................

The 110-page case file, which has been seen by the Guardian and is being held at a court in Portimão, includes details of objects collected by police from the scene of the attack. Among these were the scissors used by Behan’s attacker to cut her clothes, one of her fingernails, and a shirt on which blood was found.


The items were tested for DNA, according to a report in the file. A swab was also taken during a medical examination but was destroyed in 2007, according to the file, because it had been kept in “adverse preservation conditions”. The rest of the items were destroyed in 2009.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/portugal-police-could-reopen-case-irish-woman-hazel-behan-2004-madeleine-mccann



Also I think it incredibly naive to imagine that more than one purpose was not served by having anatomical photographs of a rapist's body freely given without subterfuge or duress which might give answer to other pertinent questions.

The Mail on Sunday has established that Christian Brueckner used a Casio Exilim digital camera to store 391 child porn pictures and 68 videos showing the rape and abuse of minors.

It was the same device that he used to take images of himself sexually abusing the five-year-old daughter of an ex-girlfriend.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654423/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-secret-stash-391-child-porn-photos-68-videos.html

Doesn't seem to have murdered any of them though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 11:03:02 AM
https://youtu.be/tU3mMh2vP6c

Wolters seems very confident and professional to me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 12:38:10 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 11:03:02 AM
https://youtu.be/tU3mMh2vP6c

Wolters seems very confident and professional to me

At 4.48 he says he needs years more time to investigate. It seems to me this has all been very badly managed. Expectations have been raised too high by clearly over confident interviews.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 30, 2022, 12:43:08 PM

I bet Germany won't let Brueckner out before they've done with him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 12:56:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 12:38:10 PM
At 4.48 he says he needs years more time to investigate. It seems to me this has all been very badly managed. Expectations have been raised too high by clearly over confident interviews.

You can criticise all you like...if he has solved the case he deserves nothing but congratulations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 30, 2022, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 12:38:10 PM
At 4.48 he says he needs years more time to investigate. It seems to me this has all been very badly managed. Expectations have been raised too high by clearly over confident interviews.

Has he genuinely got the resources to do that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2022, 01:15:42 PM
There’s been an interesting turn of events in Australia this week with a man found guilty of murdering his wife 40 years ago despite no body being recovered, no forensic evidence whatsoever and no confession. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11159573/Inside-sordid-relationship-Chris-Dawson-Teachers-Pet-lover.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 06:20:01 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 30, 2022, 01:09:34 PM
Has he genuinely got the resources to do that?

I don't know. They may just keep the case open and hope the evidence appears. Maybe the Portuguese can find something in Portugal (if they're looking). It's not looking hopeful imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 06:20:01 PM
I don't know. They may just keep the case open and hope the evidence appears. Maybe the Portuguese can find something in Portugal (if they're looking). It's not looking hopeful imo.

Its looking good to me...I think you simply don't want to accept that you..amaral....grime...and the rest have all been wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 30, 2022, 06:36:28 PM

Tis amazing how many of them managed to get it wrong.  One might wonder if they all had their own agenda for some odd reason or other.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 07:14:36 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 06:30:22 PM
Its looking good to me...I think you simply don't want to accept that you..amaral....grime...and the rest have all been wrong

If it's looking good to you you need glasses imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 07:14:36 PM
If it's looking good to you you need glasses imo.

And you need a brain...imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2022, 07:23:38 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 06:30:22 PM
Its looking good to me...I think you simply don't want to accept that you..amaral....grime...and the rest have all been wrong

Wolters wrapping things up soon is he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 30, 2022, 07:25:20 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2022, 07:23:38 PM
Wolters wrapping things up soon is he?

At least a couple of years he reckons. ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 07:27:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 07:14:36 PM
If it's looking good to you you need glasses imo.

So you simply dismiss the fact Wolters says he has evidence  he has not shared that convinces him 100% that CB murdered MM and he wouldn't say it if he wasn't sure
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2022, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 07:27:57 PM
So you simply dismiss the fact Wolters says he has evidence  he has not shared that convinces him 100% that CB murdered MM and he wouldn't say it if he wasn't sure

Why should anyone accept it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2022, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 30, 2022, 07:25:20 PM
At least a couple of years he reckons. ?{)(**

Yeah, he's had five years already, let's give him another five before we write his claims off entirely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 07:34:10 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2022, 07:30:15 PM
Why should anyone accept it?
You don't have to...I accept that he has the evidence...not just because he says so but taking everything into consideration

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2022, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 07:34:10 PM
You don't have to...I accept that he has the evidence...not just because he says so but taking everything into consideration

Like the fact Brueckner isn't being charged anytime? Taking that into consideration? I see. Yeah, makes sense yes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2022, 07:41:03 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2022, 07:36:59 PM
Like the fact Brueckner isn't being charged anytime? Taking that into consideration? I see. Yeah, makes sense yes.

If we all close our eyes and just wish hard enough….you’ll see!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 07:17:31 PM
And you need a brain...imo

I might agree with you but your strawman argument doesn't describe my thoughts. Accusing me and a cast of tens? hundreds?thousands? of being wrong is nonsense. Wrong about what, pray?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 07:48:24 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on August 30, 2022, 07:41:03 PM
If we all close our eyes and just wish hard enough….you’ll see!!!

Wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'. Plannin' and dreamin'....

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 07:43:37 PM
I might agree with you but your strawman argument doesn't describe my thoughts. Accusing me and a cast of tens? hundreds?thousands? of being wrong is nonsense. Wrong about what, pray?

Its your post thats nonsense...no problem in describing thousands as wrong.....happens all the time..
Wrong in as much MM did not die in the apt..

As for strawman...he didn't have a brain either...you walked into that...lol
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 30, 2022, 08:31:12 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 07:55:59 PM
Its your post thats nonsense...no problem in describing thousands as wrong.....happens all the time..
Wrong in as much MM did not die in the apt..

As for strawman...he didn't have a brain either...you walked into that...lol

You seen evidence to say she didn't ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 30, 2022, 08:31:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 07:48:24 PM
Wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'. Plannin' and dreamin'....

Dusty wasn't it .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 07:55:59 PM
Its your post thats nonsense...no problem in describing thousands as wrong.....happens all the time..
Wrong in as much MM did not die in the apt..

As for strawman...he didn't have a brain either...you walked into that...lol

Well I haven't said she did and neither did Grime, so your accusations are nonsensical.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2022, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 08:34:25 PM
Well I haven't said she did and neither did Grime, so your accusations are nonsensical.
As you clearly suspect the parents of covering up Madeleine’s death where else do you think she might have died?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 08:34:25 PM
Well I haven't said she did and neither did Grime, so your accusations are nonsensical.

Cadaver alert in apt and car...no other alerts to any other sites...you highlighted this a couple of days ago as though it was significant Grime also made the point. No one else died in that apt....so what was,Eddie alerting to
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: barrier on August 30, 2022, 08:31:51 PM
Dusty wasn't it .

And Dionne Warwick.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 10:02:42 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 30, 2022, 08:44:13 PM
As you clearly suspect the parents of covering up Madeleine’s death where else do you think she might have died?

I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann, I say yet again. I have no pet theory, I say yet again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 30, 2022, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 10:02:42 PM
I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann, I say yet again. I have no pet theory, I say yet again.

But you support the CMOMM  crackpots who say she died on Sunday and the Mcs covered up her death
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 30, 2022, 10:44:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2022, 10:02:42 PM
I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann, I say yet again. I have no pet theory, I say yet again.
As you have a) ruled out stranger abduction on the grounds that it would have been “virtually impossible “  and b) think the parents are hiding something and c) endorsed the statement that Amaral solved the case back in 2007 it doesn’t really leave many other scenarios does it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 07:55:28 AM
So let's return to the subject; Wolter's admission that it may take years of investigation before Bruekner can be charged in connection with Madeleine McCann's disappearance. How anyone can describe that as 'looking good' escapes me. In my opinion it looks like an admission of failure after five years of invesigation and a huge media campaign.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 31, 2022, 07:58:46 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 07:55:28 AM
So let's return to the subject; Wolter's admission that it may take years of investigation before Bruekner can be charged in connection with Madeleine McCann's disappearance. How anyone can describe that as 'looking good' escapes me. In my opinion it looks like an admission of failure after five years of invesigation and a huge media campaign.
No, an admission of failure would be “we’ve exhausted all leads and opportunities to secure a conviction against CB and are therefore winding up the investigation “. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:16:22 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 07:55:28 AM
So let's return to the subject; Wolter's admission that it may take years of investigation before Bruekner can be charged in connection with Madeleine McCann's disappearance. How anyone can describe that as 'looking good' escapes me. In my opinion it looks like an admission of failure after five years of invesigation and a huge media campaign.

The investigation is ongoing....Wolters is confident he has the murderer of MM.....if you see that as failure you need glasses
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:18:54 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 07:55:28 AM
So let's return to the subject; Wolter's admission that it may take years of investigation before Bruekner can be charged in connection with Madeleine McCann's disappearance. How anyone can describe that as 'looking good' escapes me. In my opinion it looks like an admission of failure after five years of invesigation and a huge media campaign.

CMOMM who you admire have spent 15 yrs getting it wrong..that's a mega fail
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:20:41 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 31, 2022, 07:58:46 AM
No, an admission of failure would be “we’ve exhausted all leads and opportunities to secure a conviction against CB and are therefore winding up the investigation “.

It's not looking good, though, is it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:23:24 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:18:54 AM
CMOMM who you admire have spent 15 yrs getting it wrong..that's a mega fail

I have no intention of being deflected. This thread is about the no longer new German suspect, not about CMOMM.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:23:58 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:20:41 AM
It's not looking good, though, is it?

It's not looking good for sceptics such as yourself....How is solving this mystery a failure...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:25:42 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:23:24 AM
I have no intention of being deflected. This thread is about the no longer new German suspect, not about CMOMM.

You simply have no answer...for years the McCann's have been trolled by sceptics...wolters is proving then all wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 31, 2022, 08:26:17 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:20:41 AM
It's not looking good, though, is it?
I’m entirely relaxed about it.  How’s your investigation into the McCanns going, it’s been a while now…?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:26:45 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:16:22 AM
The investigation is ongoing....Wolters is confident he has the murderer of MM.....if you see that as failure you need glasses

Success requires a charge and conviction. It doesn't matter what the prosecutor thinks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:31:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:26:45 AM
Success requires a charge and conviction. It doesn't matter what the prosecutor thinks.
You have decided that won't happen and accused Wolters of failing....that's an assumption.
If Wolters has the evidence he claims...that's very important...I don't see him as being a liar
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:32:12 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:23:58 AM
It's not looking good for sceptics such as yourself....How is solving this mystery a failure...

A mystery isn't solved by making unsupported accusations, but by proving those accusations are correct and achieving a conviction in a criminal court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 31, 2022, 08:33:58 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:32:12 AM
A mystery isn't solved by making unsupported accusations, but by proving those accusations are correct and achieving a conviction in a criminal court.
And sometimes it takes many years to get to that point, or do you think all investigations last a maximum of 1 or 3 or 5 years?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:34:36 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:32:12 AM
A mystery isn't solved by making unsupported accusations, but by proving those accusations are correct and achieving a conviction in a criminal court.

If Wolters has the evidence he claims the mystery is solved..

You seem to have a lot of faith in courts
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 31, 2022, 08:35:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:26:45 AM
Success requires a charge and conviction. It doesn't matter what the prosecutor thinks.
Basically you and other sceptics are using the fact that this case has not yet come to court to goad McCann supporters.  Don’t you think that’s a little childish?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:36:22 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:31:38 AM
You have decided that won't happen and accused Wolters of failing....that's an assumption.
If Wolters has the evidence he claims...that's very important...I don't see him as being a liar

Wolter's evidence may have convinced him, but if it's not enough to charge and convict his suspect it won't convince anyone else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:36:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:32:12 AM
A mystery isn't solved by making unsupported accusations, but by proving those accusations are correct and achieving a conviction in a criminal court.

You are making the assumption that the accusations are unsupported...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:38:55 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:34:36 AM
If Wolters has the evidence he claims the mystery is solved..

You seem to have a lot of faith in courts

No-one can be declared guilty except by a court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:36:22 AM
Wolter's evidence may have convinced him, but if it's not enough to charge and convict his suspect it won't convince anyone else.

All assumptions....Wolters may well have enough to charge and convict...but hevwants to be sure.

The evidence he has may well  convince many
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 08:38:55 AM
No-one can be declared guilty except by a court.

A guilty verdict is an opinion....doesn't mrn the accused is actually iinnocent or guilty.
You said his evidence won't convince anyone else..your opinion...and clearly totally wrong.

I've never heard you condemn those who have declared the McCanns guilty
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on August 31, 2022, 09:12:55 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
All assumptions....Wolters may well have enough to charge and convict...but hevwants to be sure.

The evidence he has may well  convince many

Its the few he has to convince, court of public opinion has no place in the justice system which its seems Wolters is at home in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 09:19:39 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 31, 2022, 08:35:45 AM
Basically you and other sceptics are using the fact that this case has not yet come to court to goad McCann supporters.  Don’t you think that’s a little childish?

You feel goaded by the current absence of charges against Brueckner?
Oh well, shouldn't be much longer now aye.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 09:23:54 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:31:38 AM
You have decided that won't happen and accused Wolters of failing....that's an assumption.
If Wolters has the evidence he claims...that's very important...I don't see him as being a liar

Perhaps you're just gullible & fell into a trap set for Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: barrier on August 31, 2022, 09:12:55 AM
Its the few he has to convince, court of public opinion has no place in the justice system which its seems Wolters is at home in.

He only needs to convince one judge.
He's confident he can do that, just not anytime in the foreseeable future though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 09:23:54 AM
Perhaps you're just gullible & fell into a trap set for Brueckner.

More likely you and all the other sceptics arr gullible and don't understand how to assess evidence...that's my view
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 09:53:46 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 09:40:24 AM
More likely you and all the other sceptics arr gullible and don't understand how to assess evidence...that's my view

Right, well teach us then.
What irrefutable evidence of abduction are we missing exactly?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
All assumptions....Wolters may well have enough to charge and convict...but hevwants to be sure.

The evidence he has may well  convince many

You'll never know what it is if he can't scrape enough together to charge hs suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 31, 2022, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 09:54:38 AM
You'll never know what it is if he can't scrape enough together to charge hs suspect.
How about just waiting to see how it all pans out and quit second guessing the outcome?   A crazy idea I know....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 10:10:10 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 31, 2022, 10:06:39 AM
How about just waiting to see how it all pans out and quit second guessing the outcome?   A crazy idea I know....

We'll be waiting a while, indeed, for the foreseeable future according to Wolters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 10:15:32 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 31, 2022, 10:06:39 AM
How about just waiting to see how it all pans out and quit second guessing the outcome?   A crazy idea I know....

It's supporters who got carried away, not sceptics imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 31, 2022, 10:16:59 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 10:15:32 AM
It's supporters who got carried away, not sceptics imo.
So you don't think sceptics spend all day every day writing things like "has Wolters solved the case yet - won't be long now"?  In what way would you say I have been "carried away"?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 31, 2022, 10:16:59 AM
So you don't think sceptics spend all day every day writing things like "has Wolters solved the case yet - won't be long now"?  In what way would you say I have been "carried away"?

Just for clarity here.
Are you convinced Brueckner abducted & murdered Maddie, or not?
I mean, if not, then 'shouldn't be much longer now' shouldn't affect you in the slightest really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 10:28:35 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 09:54:38 AM
You'll never know what it is if he can't scrape enough together to charge hs suspect.

more assumption from you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 10:15:32 AM
It's supporters who got carried away, not sceptics imo.

It appears to be a major breakthrough.....afaiac.......the case is solved.....

I dont believe wolters would make such claims and not have the evidence....and no contradiction from his own police force ...SY...or the PJ

If Amaral came out now ad said he had evidence that would100% convince othere of the mccanns guilt I would find that very significant
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 10:33:30 AM
It appears to be a major breakthrough.....afaiac.......the case is solved.....

I dont believe wolters would make such claims and not have the evidence....and no contradiction from his own police force ...SY...or the PJ

If Amaral came out now ad said he had evidence that would100% convince othere of the mccanns guilt I would find that very significant

Wolters says.....so it must be true.
That's deep man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 11:04:43 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 10:33:30 AM
It appears to be a major breakthrough.....afaiac.......the case is solved.....

I dont believe wolters would make such claims and not have the evidence....and no contradiction from his own police force ...SY...or the PJ

If Amaral came out now ad said he had evidence that would100% convince othere of the mccanns guilt I would find that very significant

Well atm it seems he hasn't managed to convince even one judge to allow him to charge his suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 31, 2022, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 11:04:43 AM
Well atm it seems he hasn't managed to convince even one judge to allow him to charge his suspect.

Has he even tried ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 31, 2022, 11:34:30 AM
Has he even tried ?

No, he needs to make sure the 100% convincing evidence is watertight first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 31, 2022, 11:45:48 AM
Quote from: jassi on August 31, 2022, 11:34:30 AM
Has he even tried ?
I was going to make exactly that point, what evidence is there that a judge has rejected HCW case against Bruckner on the basis of the evidence he has collected thus far?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 11:04:43 AM
Well atm it seems he hasn't managed to convince even one judge to allow him to charge his suspect.

tiresome.....he doesnt want too at the moment
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 12:16:28 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 12:10:41 PM
tiresome.....he doesnt want too at the moment

Or maybe he just never had concrete evidence in the first place.

Not looking much like he has really is it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 31, 2022, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 12:16:28 PM
Or maybe he just never had concrete evidence in the first place.

Not looking much like he has really is it.

It must be very sub-standard concrete if its going to be a couple of years or more  before its presentable.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 31, 2022, 11:34:30 AM
Has he even tried ?

Why not if he has concrete evidence that MM is dead and CB did it? Evidence that will convince us all, apparently. Why wait?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 31, 2022, 01:15:39 PM

Brueckner won't be released any time soon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on August 31, 2022, 01:22:34 PM
Not before 2023, which is when he's eligible  to apply for parole
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 31, 2022, 01:15:39 PM
Brueckner won't be released any time soon.

Or convicted of a crime against Madeleine McCann either by the looks of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2022, 01:24:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 01:10:55 PM
Why not if he has concrete evidence that MM is dead and CB did it? Evidence that will convince us all, apparently. Why wait?

Have you been asleep for the past two years
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 31, 2022, 01:27:43 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 01:10:55 PM
Why not if he has concrete evidence that MM is dead and CB did it? Evidence that will convince us all, apparently. Why wait?
Even concrete evidence can still be disputed in a court of law and further evidence may be needed to ensure a concrete conviction, it’s really not rocket science.  Look at the case of the murder on the submarine for example.  Tons of concrete evidence pointed to what had occurred but to ensure a cast iron conviction the missing pieces were needed which took a huge amount of time and effort to secure. Now grow up the lot of you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2022, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on August 31, 2022, 01:27:43 PM
Even concrete evidence can still be disputed in a court of law and further evidence may be needed to ensure a concrete conviction, it’s really not rocket science.  Look at the case of the murder on the submarine for example.  Tons of concrete evidence pointed to what had occurred but to ensure a cast iron conviction the missing pieces were needed which took a huge amount of time and effort to secure. Now grow up the lot of you.

I promise I'll grow up when Wolters reveals the concrete evidence.
Shouldn't be much longer now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 31, 2022, 02:02:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on August 31, 2022, 01:22:34 PM
Not before 2023, which is when he's eligible  to apply for parole

Apply being the operative word.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 31, 2022, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 01:24:09 PM
Or convicted of a crime against Madeleine McCann either by the looks of it.

I shall leave you to worry about that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 05:53:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 31, 2022, 02:03:40 PM
I shall leave you to worry about that.

Why should I worry?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 31, 2022, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on August 31, 2022, 05:53:34 PM
Why should I worry?

Certainly not.  Why would you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 31, 2022, 06:30:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 31, 2022, 02:02:43 PM
Apply being the operative word.

He has already tried it but releasing him on licence just wasn't going to happen.  I doubt it ever will.

The Braunschweig district court has rejected a premature end to the detention of the German suspect in the case "Maddie" for a drug offense. A suspension of the remaining sentence to probation "could not be responsible taking into account the security interest of the general public," the court said. Christian B. had several previous convictions and had previously broken probation.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Hauptverd%c3%a4chtiger+Christian+B+Neueste+Nachrichten&refig=630f81e51a51407cb9b2c4ca1c93ddfb&first=11&FORM=PERE
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 10, 2022, 11:01:45 AM
Here is the link to the recent HLN documentary. https://youtu.be/xJRGmv8HTrM

Part 2. https://youtu.be/53Fj-3qPUVA
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2022, 05:43:26 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 10, 2022, 11:01:45 AM
Here is the link to the recent HLN documentary. https://youtu.be/xJRGmv8HTrM

Part 2. https://youtu.be/53Fj-3qPUVA
Very clear photo of the scar on Murat’s cheek at 22.12 in the first video.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 10, 2022, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 10, 2022, 05:43:26 PM
Very clear photo of the scar on Murat’s cheek at 22.12 in the first video.

All my electronic equipment to do with The case has been interfered with and the moment that I try to freeze a particular image on video to examine it, I get an overlaying picture.  Hopeless!

If I persist then the video vanishes to be replaced by another video that has nothing to do with The Madeleine Mccann case.   Someone is very keen that I am unable to see interesting things.   I wonder why?   I wonder who has the computer knowse to be able to interfere with my computer and other electronic equipment in this way?


Is there any chance that you could take a copy and display it on forum, please, VS ... or mayhaps Myster.   You are a computer wizard. can you please oblige   TY


Well done for spotting it VS.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on October 10, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
Abracadabra...piff, paff, poff...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 10, 2022, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: Myster on October 10, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
Abracadabra...piff, paff, poff...

Maybe Murat and the McCanns did know each other after all. Didn't Gerry McCann refuse to answer the question about that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2022, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 10, 2022, 08:07:11 PM
Maybe Murat and the McCanns did know each other after all. Didn't Gerry McCann refuse to answer the question about that?
What are you on about? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 10, 2022, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 10, 2022, 08:09:45 PM
What are you on about?

Sandra; Do you know Robert Murat?
Gerry; I'm not going to comment on that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2022, 08:53:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 10, 2022, 08:51:43 PM
Sandra; Do you know Robert Murat?
Gerry; I'm not going to comment on that.
what has that got to do with the scar on Murat’s face?  You seem to have lost the plot tonight - are you ok?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2022, 09:01:56 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 10, 2022, 08:51:43 PM
Sandra; Do you know Robert Murat?
Gerry; I'm not going to comment on that.

Have you forgotten about the secrecy thingy?  Portuguese Law forbade such discussions with The Press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on October 10, 2022, 09:14:29 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 10, 2022, 05:43:26 PM
Very clear photo of the scar on Murat’s cheek at 22.12 in the first video.

I do realise these are heavily edited to get to the final version to be broadcast. Interesting to me:
- no mention of the Smith sighting.
- no dismissal of the Tanner sighting.
- emphasis on the Moroccan sighting of the girl on the wo/man’s back.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 10, 2022, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: Myster on October 10, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
Abracadabra...piff, paff, poff...

Thank you Myster.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 10, 2022, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 10, 2022, 09:01:56 PM
Have you forgotten about the secrecy thingy?  Portuguese Law forbade such discussions with The Press.
Of course she hasn’t forgotten, she’s just enjoying some idle speculation a la Groundhog Day.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 10, 2022, 09:33:02 PM
Quote from: Anthro on October 10, 2022, 09:14:29 PM
I do realise these are heavily edited to get to the final version to be broadcast. Interesting to me:
- no mention of the Smith sighting.
- no dismissal of the Tanner sighting.
- emphasis on the Moroccan sighting of the girl on the wo/man’s back.

Well done for finding the videos Anthro.   Best videos that I have seen for a long time .... and they haven't YET got destroyed by lying add ons and fact changing.


Me too.   I noticed that it seems to be thoroughly thought out and  supportive of The Mccanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on October 11, 2022, 08:19:28 AM
Quote from: sadie on October 10, 2022, 09:28:05 PM
Thank you Myster.
Job done and Myster's yer uncle.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 08:30:12 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 10, 2022, 08:07:11 PM
Maybe Murat and the McCanns did know each other after all. Didn't Gerry McCann refuse to answer the question about that?

You are absolutely priceless!  Still punting the age old sceptic conspiracy theories despite the knowledge that - after years of following the evidence - Brueckner has emerged as the prime suspect.

You conveniently ignore the FACT that EVERYONE was bound by the Portuguese secrecy laws.  Everyone that is but Amaral and his cohorts who were leaking like sieves to any journalist who would listen to tripe such as that continually propagated by you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 11, 2022, 08:48:59 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 08:30:12 AM
You are absolutely priceless!  Still punting the age old sceptic conspiracy theories despite the knowledge that - after years of following the evidence - Brueckner has emerged as the prime suspect.

You conveniently ignore the FACT that EVERYONE was bound by the Portuguese secrecy laws.  Everyone that is but Amaral and his cohorts who were leaking like sieves to any journalist who would listen to tripe such as that continually propagated by you.

All this proves is that The McCanns would have needed outside help to accomplish what they were accused of, which is why Murat was dragged into it in the first place.  That PJ Investigation accomplished absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 11, 2022, 08:48:59 AM
All this proves is that The McCanns would have needed outside help to accomplish what they were accused of, which is why Murat was dragged into it in the first place.  That PJ Investigation accomplished absolutely nothing.

According to what Amaral has said in his book he saw Murat going into his mother's villa (which was in a direct line of sight to Apt 5) and immediately started asking questions about him.

I think he was looking for a patsy before he even visited the scene of the crime (if he ever did go there?).

His 'damage limitation' of announcing that the PJ had tried to question Brueckner at the time raises the question of exactly when he knew that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 11, 2022, 10:01:26 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 08:30:12 AM
You are absolutely priceless!  Still punting the age old sceptic conspiracy theories despite the knowledge that - after years of following the evidence - Brueckner has emerged as the prime suspect.

You conveniently ignore the FACT that EVERYONE was bound by the Portuguese secrecy laws.  Everyone that is but Amaral and his cohorts who were leaking like sieves to any journalist who would listen to tripe such as that continually propagated by you.

Some people have suggested that it was Murat, not David Payne, who spoke to the social worker. She said he also spoke to the media on the McCann's behalf and took care of the twins for them. That suggests familiarity.

Of course it's nonsense. David Payne says he spoke to Yvonne Martin;

this woman came up and started err chatting to us...basically I just said it wasn't you know appropriate at the time, could she leave us alone.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 10:14:37 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 11, 2022, 10:01:26 AM
Some people have suggested that it was Murat, not David Payne, who spoke to the social worker. She said he also spoke to the media on the McCann's behalf and took care of the twins for them. That suggests familiarity.

Of course it's nonsense. David Payne says he spoke to Yvonne Martin;

this woman came up and started err chatting to us...basically I just said it wasn't you know appropriate at the time, could she leave us alone.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
So what?????

You seem absolutely determined to have your say but never on the appropriate thread and if that is not a wrecking tactic I don't know what is.

Check above and you will see New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 11, 2022, 10:18:23 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 09:36:49 AM
According to what Amaral has said in his book he saw Murat going into his mother's villa (which was in a direct line of sight to Apt 5) and immediately started asking questions about him.

I think he was looking for a patsy before he even visited the scene of the crime (if he ever did go there?).

His 'damage limitation' of announcing that the PJ had tried to question Brueckner at the time raises the question of exactly when he knew that.

But The McCanns were always Amaral's ultimate target. What with Leonor Cipriano and all.  Amaral must have woken up on The Fourth of May and thought Whoopee. Mothers always murder their own children.  Sadly for him, Kate McCann wasn't an ignorant peasant.

I am still out on Brueckner, although if anything might fuel my suspicions in that direction then it is Amaral.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 11, 2022, 10:18:23 AM
But The McCanns were always Amaral's ultimate target. What with Leonor Cipriano and all.  Amaral must have woken up on The Fourth of May and thought Whoopee. Mothers always murder their own children.  Sadly for him, Kate McCann wasn't an ignorant peasant.

I am still out on Brueckner, although if anything might fuel my suspicions in that direction then it is Amaral.

I don't think Amaral's involvement is doing anything to help Brueckner.  But I do think his recent behaviour raises a lot of questions.  It certainly has for me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2022, 10:27:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 11, 2022, 10:01:26 AM
Some people have suggested that it was Murat, not David Payne, who spoke to the social worker. She said he also spoke to the media on the McCann's behalf and took care of the twins for them. That suggests familiarity.

Of course it's nonsense. David Payne says he spoke to Yvonne Martin;

this woman came up and started err chatting to us...basically I just said it wasn't you know appropriate at the time, could she leave us alone.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
No one here has suggested that it was Murat not DP that Martin spoke to, but what IS being suggested that her recollection of the physical features of DP may have been muddled with that of Murat's who she *may* also have encountered that morning.  Clearly her memory for faces was not all that accurate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 11, 2022, 10:41:09 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 10:27:09 AM
I don't think Amaral's involvement is doing anything to help Brueckner.  But I do think his recent behaviour raises a lot of questions.  It certainly has for me

I had suspicions about Amaral a long time ago.  Not least in ignoring Brueckner.  And then trying to pervert the course of Justice.  Although Portugal don't seem to be that much bothered beyond making Brueckner an Arguido.  Portugal can't actually question him as he has a right to silence.  So that's a damp squib.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 10:27:09 AM
I don't think Amaral's involvement is doing anything to help Brueckner.  But I do think his recent behaviour raises a lot of questions.  It certainly has for me

Doesn't look like Brueckner will be needing any help any time in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 11, 2022, 11:36:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 10:14:37 AM
So what?????

You seem absolutely determined to have your say but never on the appropriate thread and if that is not a wrecking tactic I don't know what is.

Check above and you will see New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

Who commented on Murat's scarred cheek? It wasn't me. See Reply #16807.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 11, 2022, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 11, 2022, 10:27:40 AM
No one here has suggested that it was Murat not DP that Martin spoke to, but what IS being suggested that her recollection of the physical features of DP may have been muddled with that of Murat's who she *may* also have encountered that morning.  Clearly her memory for faces was not all that accurate.

As DP admitted it was him, her memory for faces is immaterial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 11, 2022, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 11, 2022, 11:40:05 AM
As DP admitted it was him, her memory for faces is immaterial.

As is anything else she had to say.  Anonymous or otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2022, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 11, 2022, 11:40:05 AM
As DP admitted it was him, her memory for faces is immaterial.
it calls into question her recall of DP as someone she had encountered before. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 11, 2022, 10:41:09 AM
I had suspicions about Amaral a long time ago.  Not least in ignoring Brueckner.  And then trying to pervert the course of Justice.  Although Portugal don't seem to be that much bothered beyond making Brueckner an Arguido.  Portugal can't actually question him as he has a right to silence.  So that's a damp squib.

Based on the information already in the public domain regarding Brueckner, I think he is a very credible suspect.

Which makes Amaral's lies regarding evidence about his vehicles and his appearance even more remarkable than it already was.  What on earth was he playing at? apart from a demonstration of his tried and tested technique as used against the McCanns of the court of public opinion.

Even while defending Brueckner Amaral found time to get the knife into the McCanns at every opportunity.  A really sensitive way of treating parents living with the knowledge that a person like Brueckner is the prime suspect in their daughter's disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 11, 2022, 03:33:23 PM
If I'm not wrong.. Breukner charged with rape and murder
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on October 11, 2022, 03:46:47 PM
Latest additions to Brueckner's charge sheet, but the McCann trolls are sticking their oars in as usual...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11303221/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-charged-series-sex-crimes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11303221/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-charged-series-sex-crimes.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 11, 2022, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on October 11, 2022, 03:33:23 PM
If I'm not wrong.. Breukner charged with rape and murder
As usual you are wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 11, 2022, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 11, 2022, 03:48:02 PM
As usual you are wrong.
. On another day between December 28, 2000 and April 8, 2006, which can no longer be precisely determined, the accused is said to have killed an unknown, German-speaking girl aged at least 14 naked in the house he lived in in Praia da Luz in Portugal tied to a wooden pole in the living room. First he hit the naked girl with a whip. The accused is said to have brutally forced the girl to have oral sex. The accused also videotaped this act.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 03:54:51 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 11, 2022, 03:48:02 PM
As usual you are wrong.

    You are.

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg693422#msg693422

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12454.msg693421#msg693421
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 11, 2022, 05:12:23 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on October 11, 2022, 03:51:18 PM
. On another day between December 28, 2000 and April 8, 2006, which can no longer be precisely determined, the accused is said to have killed an unknown, German-speaking girl aged at least 14 naked in the house he lived in in Praia da Luz in Portugal tied to a wooden pole in the living room. First he hit the naked girl with a whip. The accused is said to have brutally forced the girl to have oral sex. The accused also videotaped this act.
Surely a mistake?  Where is this from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on October 11, 2022, 09:10:58 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on October 11, 2022, 03:51:18 PM
. On another day between December 28, 2000 and April 8, 2006, which can no longer be precisely determined, the accused is said to have killed an unknown, German-speaking girl aged at least 14 naked in the house he lived in in Praia da Luz in Portugal tied to a wooden pole in the living room. First he hit the naked girl with a whip. The accused is said to have brutally forced the girl to have oral sex. The accused also videotaped this act.

Surely that's a google translate error from german sources being translated by other media?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 11, 2022, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 09:36:49 AM
According to what Amaral has said in his book he saw Murat going into his mother's villa (which was in a direct line of sight to Apt 5) and immediately started asking questions about him.

I think he was looking for a patsy before he even visited the scene of the crime (if he ever did go there?).

His 'damage limitation' of announcing that the PJ had tried to question Brueckner at the time raises the question of exactly when he knew that.

Direct line of Sight?    On a map maybe, but in reality, a hell of a lot of trees in the way in May 2007.   I think Amaral got that wrong ! 

I don't think he saw Murat going into his mother's villa from 5A.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 12, 2022, 02:19:30 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 03:54:51 PM
    You are.

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg693422#msg693422

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12454.msg693421#msg693421

Where's this murder charge then ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 06:17:38 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 11, 2022, 09:36:49 AM
According to what Amaral has said in his book he saw Murat going into his mother's villa (which was in a direct line of sight to Apt 5) and immediately started asking questions about him.

I think he was looking for a patsy before he even visited the scene of the crime (if he ever did go there?).

His 'damage limitation' of announcing that the PJ had tried to question Brueckner at the time raises the question of exactly when he knew that.

Amaral's book does describe how he went to PdL on 10th May, and he saw Murat with his mother. I didn't see any reference to a direct line of sight from their villa to 5A though. Was that mentioned in Amaral's book or elsewhere?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 12, 2022, 08:32:05 AM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2022, 02:19:30 AM
Where's this murder charge then ?

Gullible bunch, the McCann believers. But then we've always known that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 08:59:09 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 06:17:38 AM
Amaral's book does describe how he went to PdL on 10th May, and he saw Murat with his mother. I didn't see any reference to a direct line of sight from their villa to 5A though. Was that mentioned in Amaral's book or elsewhere?

"Amaral's book does describe how he went to PdL on 10th May"  Gunit

Madeleine was abducted on 3rd May
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 09:13:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 06:17:38 AM
Amaral's book does describe how he went to PdL on 10th May, and he saw Murat with his mother. I didn't see any reference to a direct line of sight from their villa to 5A though. Was that mentioned in Amaral's book or elsewhere?

Check Anthro's post and as well as revealing the fact you don't bother to follow links you will find the answer to the question therein that there was a 'direct line of sight' from the Murat villa to 5a.
You will find it at the discussion of builder's plans outlining the existence of a spacious cellar accessed from the villa.

Here is the link to the recent HLN documentary. https://youtu.be/xJRGmv8HTrM

Part 2. https://youtu.be/53Fj-3qPUVA

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg693349#msg693349


Why do you suppose it is that Amaral didn't go to Luz for seven days after Madeleine's disappearance? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 09:56:07 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 09:13:00 AM
Check Anthro's post and as well as revealing the fact you don't bother to follow links you will find the answer to the question therein that there was a 'direct line of sight' from the Murat villa to 5a.
You will find it at the discussion of builder's plans outlining the existence of a spacious cellar accessed from the villa.

Here is the link to the recent HLN documentary. https://youtu.be/xJRGmv8HTrM

Part 2. https://youtu.be/53Fj-3qPUVA

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg693349#msg693349


Why do you suppose it is that Amaral didn't go to Luz for seven days after Madeleine's disappearance?

Are you expecting me to warch 2 episodes of a documentary to find out what was said in Amaral's book? Or are you saying it wasn't in Amaral's book?

There was a space under the living room of the Murat's villa, as the PJ were informed. They found no entrance into the space and no sign of anything amiss.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 10:16:01 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 09:56:07 AM
Are you expecting me to warch 2 episodes of a documentary to find out what was said in Amaral's book? Or are you saying it wasn't in Amaral's book?

There was a space under the living room of the Murat's villa, as the PJ were informed. They found no entrance into the space and no sign of anything amiss.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

I know exactly what to expect of you.  As exemplified in this aggressive, deflecting post the style of which has become your hallmark.

The attitudes and tittle-tattle posted by you indicate to me a very closed mind which is mired like Maral's in the mistakes made in the past and from which nothing was learned.

Recent charges filed against Brueckner in conjunction with convictions indicate he was his own personal crime wave particularly in relation to offences against women and children.
The attitudes reflected in your posts reflect the attitudes which allowed him and others like him no doubt, such unfettered and lifelong careers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 09:56:07 AM
Are you expecting me to warch 2 episodes of a documentary to find out what was said in Amaral's book? Or are you saying it wasn't in Amaral's book?

There was a space under the living room of the Murat's villa, as the PJ were informed. They found no entrance into the space and no sign of anything amiss.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

PS  You forgot to answer my question arising from your previous post ~ "Why do you suppose it is that Amaral didn't go to Luz for seven days after Madeleine's disappearance?"

Madeleine was abducted on 3 May.

According to the quote you made from his book, Amaral arrived in Luz on 10 May.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2022, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 10:21:51 AM
PS  You forgot to answer my question arising from your previous post ~ "Why do you suppose it is that Amaral didn't go to Luz for seven days after Madeleine's disappearance?"

Madeleine was abducted on 3 May.

According to the quote you made from his book, Amaral arrived in Luz on 10 May.
They stopped physically searching for Madeleine after a week - are the two things connected?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 12, 2022, 10:47:09 AM

Amaral was hell bent on convicting The McCanns and Kate McCann in particular.  It appears that he still is as he continues to cast doubt on Brueckner's possible involvement.
Why on earth Portugal are allowing him to interfere with the course of justice should tell us a lot about Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 11:02:32 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 10:21:51 AM
PS  You forgot to answer my question arising from your previous post ~ "Why do you suppose it is that Amaral didn't go to Luz for seven days after Madeleine's disappearance?"

Madeleine was abducted on 3 May.

According to the quote you made from his book, Amaral arrived in Luz on 10 May.

I have no idea when he, as coordinator, needed to go there earlier, if that's what you are hinted he should have done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 11:05:55 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 12, 2022, 10:40:06 AM
They stopped physically searching for Madeleine after a week - are the two things connected?

We know that among the first things that Rebelo did when he took over the case, was to visit the scene and to walk in the direction taken by the man Jane Tanner saw on the night of 3rd.

Despite the plethora of photographs taken at the time, I've not seen Amaral in any.

Interesting thought VS.
If he really was seven days behind, there was an awful lot of 'catch-up' to be done.  What better way than to find an Arguido living right beside the holiday apartments.  The perfect patsy - that is until his lawyer got to work.

I can understand why with the prevalence of paedophiles in the area (including Brueckner) a man with the access Murat had and was granted by the PJ could have become suspect.  Particularly the desperation to get things done and dusted before arguido Amaral's lawyer was presenting his case in the forthcoming Cipriano torture trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 11:09:50 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 11:02:32 AM
I have no idea when he, as coordinator, needed to go there earlier, if that's what you are hinted he should have done.

I am not "hinting" anything.

You have quoted a date from Amaral's book.  I asked a question.  Which you are unable to answer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2022, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 11:02:32 AM
I have no idea when he, as coordinator, needed to go there earlier, if that's what you are hinted he should have done.
So Amaral wasn't an investigator or a detective, merely a guy who co-ordinated an investigation who couldn't be bothered to visit the scene of a crime for a week (a crime which, incidentally had put his sleepy little corner of the world on the map internationally).   What an extraordinary lack of curiosity the man had.  Perhaps he was too busy co-ordinating stuff from the seafood restaurant he was hanging out at most lunch times.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 11:05:55 AM
We know that among the first things that Rebelo did when he took over the case, was to visit the scene and to walk in the direction taken by the man Jane Tanner saw on the night of 3rd.

Despite the plethora of photographs taken at the time, I've not seen Amaral in any.

Interesting thought VS.
If he really was seven days behind, there was an awful lot of 'catch-up' to be done.  What better way than to find an Arguido living right beside the holiday apartments.  The perfect patsy - that is until his lawyer got to work.

I can understand why with the prevalence of paedophiles in the area (including Brueckner) a man with the access Murat had and was granted by the PJ could have become suspect.  Particularly the desperation to get things done and dusted before arguido Amaral's lawyer was presenting his case in the forthcoming Cipriano torture trial.

Rebelo took over on 8th October. He visited 5A (his first visit to PdL) on 29th October.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/rebelo-tests-scenarios-in-luz-cdm-30-10-07-t2344.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 12, 2022, 12:10:36 PM
Rebelo took over on 8th October. He visited 5A (his first visit to PdL) on 29th October.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/rebelo-tests-scenarios-in-luz-cdm-30-10-07-t2344.html

You really do get enmeshed in serious trivia all related to groundhog day for the subject of your posts.

What matters now (circa 2022) is that the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance is sitting in goal in Germany convicted of crimes against women, having just been charged with more serious crimes against women and children.

Madeleine's parents and we the general public, are aware that separate from these heinous crimes, the intention is to use the evidence gathered over a series of years to charge this proven pervert with Madeleine's murder.

I shudder to think what Kate, Gerry and the rest of Madeleine's family are going through just now and I don't understand the motivation of those who spend each day working out how best to add to their burden which must be next to unbearable as it is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 12, 2022, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 01:11:25 PM
You really do get enmeshed in serious trivia all related to groundhog day for the subject of your posts.

What matters now (circa 2022) is that the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance is sitting in goal in Germany convicted of crimes against women, having just been charged with more serious crimes against women and children.

Madeleine's parents and we the general public, are aware that separate from these heinous crimes, the intention is to use the evidence gathered over a series of years to charge this proven pervert with Madeleine's murder.

I shudder to think what Kate, Gerry and the rest of Madeleine's family are going through just now and I don't understand the motivation of those who spend each day working out how best to add to their burden which must be next to unbearable as it is.

Most days I don't even give them a thought - and why should I, they mean nothing to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2022, 01:48:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 12, 2022, 01:31:59 PM
Most days I don't even give them a thought - and why should I, they mean nothing to me.
You've made nearly 15,000 posts on this forum alone, virtually all on the subject of Madeleine's disappearance so though they all mean nothing to you, they clearly mean something to you, otherwise why the hell have you been posting here so prolifically?  If they truly meant nothing whatsoever to you and you scarcely ever gave them a thought this forum would never have been "blessed" with your presence.  I think you enjoy thinking about them and sharing your thoughts - in a negative way of course. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 12, 2022, 02:13:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on October 12, 2022, 01:31:59 PM
Most days I don't even give them a thought - and why should I, they mean nothing to me.
I'm of the same, Im just waiting on the  following from the PJ legal summary to be answered.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 12, 2022, 02:30:28 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2022, 02:13:10 PM
I'm of the same, Im just waiting on the  following from the PJ legal summary to be answered.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

Wolters has all the answers, coming soon after the Behan trial, so I'm reliably informed. Not by Wolters, mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2022, 02:13:10 PM
I'm of the same, Im just waiting on the  following from the PJ legal summary to be answered.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

I don't think you are "getting it" with that excerpt from the Portuguese archiving of the case in 2008 which in effect wrote Madeleine off.

It illustrates a complete and utter FAILURE on the part of the Portuguese police.

Much as the German investigations into crimes committed by an ex pat in Portugal has indicated the system failures of Portuguese justice system to an astonished world

My opinion is that the questions you find so important are all in the process of being answered as the German investigation into the crimes of Brueckner are about to reach the courts.

Pity it took till 2022 for that to happen.  And extraordinary that we are watching German justice in operation - not Portuguese!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 12, 2022, 02:57:02 PM

I have ceased to imagine that The Portuguese Police are capable of investigating anything, let alone a convicted Paedophile who was right under their noses.

All that The PJ are good for is beating an ignorant peasant and making an Arguido of a suspect that The Germans found.  A suspect that Portugal will never get their hands on.  But Shame doesn't seem to be a Portuguese attribute.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 12, 2022, 03:02:54 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 12, 2022, 02:13:10 PM
I'm of the same, Im just waiting on the  following from the PJ legal summary to be answered.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.
What an absolute pig of a translation that is!  Where did you dig it up from?  Google translate?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 19, 2022, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 12, 2022, 01:11:25 PM
You really do get enmeshed in serious trivia all related to groundhog day for the subject of your posts.

What matters now (circa 2022) is that the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance is sitting in goal in Germany convicted of crimes against women, having just been charged with more serious crimes against women and children.

Madeleine's parents and we the general public, are aware that separate from these heinous crimes, the intention is to use the evidence gathered over a series of years to charge this proven pervert with Madeleine's murder.

I shudder to think what Kate, Gerry and the rest of Madeleine's family are going through just now and I don't understand the motivation of those who spend each day working out how best to add to their burden which must be next to unbearable as it is.

Lesson learned…if you state something as a fact, make sure you’ve checked your information first.

Well played G.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 19, 2022, 06:51:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 19, 2022, 06:45:23 PM
Lesson learned…if you state something as a fact, make sure you’ve checked your information first.

Well played G.
So it is a game?  Just checking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 19, 2022, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 19, 2022, 06:51:58 PM
So it is a game?  Just checking.

Of course not but I do enjoy pomposity being punctured.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 19, 2022, 09:54:36 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 19, 2022, 06:51:58 PM
So it is a game?  Just checking.

Please excuse them VS.

If it is a game they play - they really are not very good at it.  What they thought was the perfect put down was actually a bit premature as far as the back-slapping was concerned.

They think they've got one up by answering my post "We know that among the first things that Rebelo did when he took over the case, was to visit the scene and to walk in the direction taken by the man Jane Tanner saw on the night of 3rd.
Despite the plethora of photographs taken at the time, I've not seen Amaral in any." with a post "Rebelo took over on 8th October. He visited 5A (his first visit to PdL) on 29th October."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/rebelo-tests-scenarios-in-luz-cdm-30-10-07-t2344.html

Totally in denial of the knowledge that Rebelo did not enjoy a seamless hand over from one professional to another.  It was at least a fortnight after takeover before any meaningful work could be taken because of the mess inherited from Amaral and his crew.

The knowledge which led to the abortive knocking on Brueckner's door quite obviously did not survive the transition and lay neglected until Amaral suddenly spewed it out in the midst of the German investigation.


Snip
Don't you just love the way sceptics have to rewrite history to make their points.  Rebelo was faced with a monumental mess on takeover from Amaral; it is only thanks to him that they have had files to play with over the years as he had to waste resources digitising and trying to make sense of loose paperwork lying about all over the place!

Madeleine: New police chief's fury over the mess he inherited from his predecessor
By IAN GALLAGHER

Last updated at 22 October 2007


Paulo Rebelo, the new police chief leading the Madeleine McCann investigation, is furious at how it was left in disarray by his predecessor.

According to reports, officers have spent the past fortnight processing information left lying around on scraps of paper and following leads ignored by police working under Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral.
------------------------------------------------
Meanwhile, a police source quoted in a Portuguese newspaper said: "There was important material lying all over the place that hadn't been considered by investigators.

"A lot of key information was discarded. The whole process is being reviewed. Putting all the papers in order has been a massive task."

Officers have been working round-the-clock to log on to a computer all information relating to the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine from the holiday complex in May.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488802/Madeleine-New-police-chiefs-fury-mess-inherited-predecessor.html

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11381.msg688590#msg688590

As I said ~ they are absolute rubbish at it ~ but it seems to keep them happy enough, so best to leave them to their own devices.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2022, 03:13:27 AM

It never has taken much effort to gainsay Sceptics.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 08:32:00 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 19, 2022, 06:45:23 PM
Lesson learned…if you state something as a fact, make sure you’ve checked your information first.

Well played G.

I like accuracy and can't understand why people make inaccurate claims as that weakens their arguments and their credibility. It took 7 days for Amaral to visit PdL and 3 weeks for Rebelo to get there, so as an example Rebelo was a bad choice. Those trying to discredit Amaral will clutch at any straw without worrying about accuracy imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 20, 2022, 08:39:41 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 08:32:00 AM
I like accuracy and can't understand why people make inaccurate claims as that weakens their arguments and their credibility. It took 7 days for Amaral to visit PdL and 3 weeks for Rebelo to get there, so as an example Rebelo was a bad choice. Those trying to discredit Amaral will clutch at any straw without worrying about accuracy imo.
The fact that it took Amaral 7 days to get to PdL in the circumstances is utterly incomprehensible given the circumstances, especially as he had apparently already decided the parents were involved on day 1.  What was he actually doing in those 7 days and why did he not think it might be helpful to visit the scene of thr crime when events were still fresh in everyone’s minds?   It’s utterly bizarre but I suppose you’re going to pull the “he was only the co-ordinator” card again.  What does that actually entail?   Because if it involves collating and cross-referencing vital intelligence pouring into the police station he doesn’t appear to have done a very good job does he?  Not if it took his predecessor weeks to clear up the mess.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 09:32:51 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 20, 2022, 08:39:41 AM
The fact that it took Amaral 7 days to get to PdL in the circumstances is utterly incomprehensible given the circumstances, especially as he had apparently already decided the parents were involved on day 1.  What was he actually doing in those 7 days and why did he not think it might be helpful to visit the scene of thr crime when events were still fresh in everyone’s minds?   It’s utterly bizarre but I suppose you’re going to pull the “he was only the co-ordinator” card again.  What does that actually entail?   Because if it involves collating and cross-referencing vital intelligence pouring into the police station he doesn’t appear to have done a very good job does he?  Not if it took his predecessor weeks to clear up the mess.

Firstly you don't know when Amaral's first visit to PdL took place, you only know the date of his first recorded visit. Secondly you have no idea what he was doing because you don't have his job description. Therefore your criticisms are based purely upon your opinions, which may well be wrong.

Who was this predecessor btw? Or is it his successor you're referring to?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on October 20, 2022, 09:50:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 09:32:51 AM
Firstly you don't know when Amaral's first visit to PdL took place, you only know the date of his first recorded visit. Secondly you have no idea what he was doing because you don't have his job description. Therefore your criticisms are based purely upon your opinions, which may well be wrong.

Who was this predecessor btw? Or is it his successor you're referring to?


What we do know however,  is that the McCann's saw him for the first time when they attended court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 20, 2022, 10:01:39 AM
Quote from: Lace on October 20, 2022, 09:50:44 AM

What we do know however,  is that the McCann's saw him for the first time when they attended court.

They likely prefer not to be reminded of that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: Lace on October 20, 2022, 09:50:44 AM

What we do know however,  is that the McCann's saw him for the first time when they attended court.

Did they need to see him? They saw the men in charge regularly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on October 20, 2022, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 10:14:53 AM
Did they need to see him? They saw the men in charge regularly.

I think it would have been decent of him to go and see them to ensure that everything was being done to find Madeleine, but there you go.  In my opinion he thought himself too high and lightly to do that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2022, 11:07:49 AM
Quote from: Lace on October 20, 2022, 11:02:29 AM
I think it would have been decent of him to go and see them to ensure that everything was being done to find Madeleine, but there you go.  In my opinion he thought himself too high and lightly to do that.

Amaral was too busy with his long lunches.  He certainly wasn't working, as evidenced by the mess he left when he was sacked and that Rebelo had to sort out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 20, 2022, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 09:32:51 AM
Firstly you don't know when Amaral's first visit to PdL took place, you only know the date of his first recorded visit. Secondly you have no idea what he was doing because you don't have his job description. Therefore your criticisms are based purely upon your opinions, which may well be wrong.

Who was this predecessor btw? Or is it his successor you're referring to?
Oops, yes, I meant successor, must remember to post when I have properly woken up. 
And - All criticisms are based on opinions, that's what criticisms are, one's perception of another's faults.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 20, 2022, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 09:32:51 AM
Firstly you don't know when Amaral's first visit to PdL took place, you only know the date of his first recorded visit. Secondly you have no idea what he was doing because you don't have his job description. Therefore your criticisms are based purely upon your opinions, which may well be wrong.

Who was this predecessor btw? Or is it his successor you're referring to?

This whole tiresome episode was generated by you when you posted "Amaral's book does describe how he went to PdL on 10th May, and he saw Murat with his mother. I didn't see any reference to a direct line of sight from their villa to 5A though. Was that mentioned in Amaral's book or elsewhere?" https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg693458#msg693458
And your statement in your post "you don't know when Amaral's first visit to PdL took place, you only know the date of his first recorded visit" is equally applicable to your supposition regarding Rebelo.

The difference between the two senior investigating officers could not have been more marked  Rebelo arrived,  "In the company of the team members that he brought in from Lisbon - composed of two homicide inspectors, one from sexual abuse, another that is experienced in robberies and two specialists in technical analysis - Paulo Rebelo tried to find details and loose ends that may open new leads or confirm the existing ones." https://themaddiecasefiles.com/rebelo-tests-scenarios-in-luz-cdm-30-10-07-t2344.html

In the event Goncalo Amaral brought with him peasant attitudes and his untried and untested theories none of which were confirmed as valid when tested by Rebelo's professional team.

Yet nearly fifteen years down the line he can suddenly call to mind that Brueckner was on police radar in 2007, but his team just couldn't be bothered (or were instructed not to) find another door behind which they might have located Brueckner had they knocked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 20, 2022, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 08:32:00 AM
I like accuracy and can't understand why people make inaccurate claims as that weakens their arguments and their credibility. It took 7 days for Amaral to visit PdL and 3 weeks for Rebelo to get there, so as an example Rebelo was a bad choice. Those trying to discredit Amaral will clutch at any straw without worrying about accuracy imo.
You keep on putting then in their place with cold, hard facts, kid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2022, 12:19:13 PM

If I remember correctly, Amaral did a grandstand in front of one of the few CCTV cameras in Praia da Luz.  Sadly it had already been wiped.  He also forgot to mention that it was pointed in the wrong direction anyway.  A fat lot of good that was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 20, 2022, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 20, 2022, 12:19:13 PM
If I remember correctly, Amaral did a grandstand in front of one of the few CCTV cameras in Praia da Luz.  Sadly it had already been wiped.  He also forgot to mention that it was pointed in the wrong direction anyway.  A fat lot of good that was.

I remember it well.  There was an image posted on the forum at one time. T'was when 'the hat' was in vogue, I think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2022, 12:28:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 20, 2022, 12:23:12 PM
I remember it well.  There was an image posted on the forum at one time. T'was when 'the hat' was in vogue, I think.

Yup.  The Hat.  That's the one.  Meanwhile, Brueckner went entirely unnoticed.  I really can't get my head round that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 03:37:46 PM
Quote from: Lace on October 20, 2022, 11:02:29 AM
I think it would have been decent of him to go and see them to ensure that everything was being done to find Madeleine, but there you go.  In my opinion he thought himself too high and lightly to do that.

I don't think it's part of the police's job to reassure people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 20, 2022, 03:39:21 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 03:37:46 PM
I don't think it's part of the police's job to reassure people.
why do they do it then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 20, 2022, 03:44:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 20, 2022, 03:37:46 PM
I don't think it's part of the police's job to reassure people.

Most of their time is taken up trying to clean up after people who don't lock their doors & windows apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 20, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 20, 2022, 12:28:45 PM
Yup.  The Hat.  That's the one.  Meanwhile, Brueckner went entirely unnoticed.  I really can't get my head round that.

The horrible thing about it all is that Amaral was privy to information about Brueckner which he didn't bother to disclose at the time when it really mattered.

I doubt Brueckner was the only person of interest to drop off police radar on Amaral's watch.  Yet Amaral has conducted his vendetta against Kate and Gerry with unabated fervour in the full knowledge of the failures he presided over and without a blush for the money he pocketed as a result.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 22, 2022, 11:49:43 PM
Quote from: Brietta on October 19, 2022, 09:54:36 PM
Please excuse them VS.

If it is a game they play - they really are not very good at it.  What they thought was the perfect put down was actually a bit premature as far as the back-slapping was concerned.

They think they've got one up by answering my post "We know that among the first things that Rebelo did when he took over the case, was to visit the scene and to walk in the direction taken by the man Jane Tanner saw on the night of 3rd.
Despite the plethora of photographs taken at the time, I've not seen Amaral in any." with a post "Rebelo took over on 8th October. He visited 5A (his first visit to PdL) on 29th October."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/rebelo-tests-scenarios-in-luz-cdm-30-10-07-t2344.html

Totally in denial of the knowledge that Rebelo did not enjoy a seamless hand over from one professional to another.  It was at least a fortnight after takeover before any meaningful work could be taken because of the mess inherited from Amaral and his crew.

The knowledge which led to the abortive knocking on Brueckner's door quite obviously did not survive the transition and lay neglected until Amaral suddenly spewed it out in the midst of the German investigation.


Snip
Don't you just love the way sceptics have to rewrite history to make their points.  Rebelo was faced with a monumental mess on takeover from Amaral; it is only thanks to him that they have had files to play with over the years as he had to waste resources digitising and trying to make sense of loose paperwork lying about all over the place!

Madeleine: New police chief's fury over the mess he inherited from his predecessor
By IAN GALLAGHER

Last updated at 22 October 2007


Paulo Rebelo, the new police chief leading the Madeleine McCann investigation, is furious at how it was left in disarray by his predecessor.

According to reports, officers have spent the past fortnight processing information left lying around on scraps of paper and following leads ignored by police working under Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral.
------------------------------------------------
Meanwhile, a police source quoted in a Portuguese newspaper said: "There was important material lying all over the place that hadn't been considered by investigators.

"A lot of key information was discarded. The whole process is being reviewed. Putting all the papers in order has been a massive task."

Officers have been working round-the-clock to log on to a computer all information relating to the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine from the holiday complex in May.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488802/Madeleine-New-police-chiefs-fury-mess-inherited-predecessor.html

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11381.msg688590#msg688590

As I said ~ they are absolute rubbish at it ~ but it seems to keep them happy enough, so best to leave them to their own devices.

Ah tabloid tittle tattle…must be true.

Least we forget Rebelo was rather eager to hold a further round of questioning of the good-time group and a reconstitution. From that it doesn’t sound as if either the abandoned paperwork or his walkthrough convinced him of the groups innocence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 23, 2022, 12:51:49 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 20, 2022, 12:28:45 PM
Yup.  The Hat.  That's the one.  Meanwhile, Brueckner went entirely unnoticed.  I really can't get my head round that.

It is evident that Amaral knew all about Brueckner being on police radar right from the word go.  So in effect Brueckner was never 'new' in Madeleine's disappearance.  He was there right from the beginning.  And Amaral knew all about him.

The Portuguese prosecutors said,
The non involvement of the arguidos parents of Madeleine in any penally relevant action seems to result from the objective circumstances of them
Amaral knew all of that.
Yet he has continued his vendetta against Kate and Gerry McCann ever since 2007 and even now as he defends Brueckner in the media as he interferes with the German investigation of Madeleine's case.

Amaral also knew that Brueckner had been on police radar during his watch.  He also knew that no-one on his team had interviewed him.  We know this because he told us so while at the same time continuing to publicise his slurs against Gerry McCann.

All those years when he knew about Brueckner and never once thought to tip the wink about him.  Very strange.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on October 27, 2022, 10:25:14 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 23, 2022, 12:51:49 AM
It is evident that Amaral knew all about Brueckner being on police radar right from the word go.  So in effect Brueckner was never 'new' in Madeleine's disappearance.  He was there right from the beginning.  And Amaral knew all about him.

The Portuguese prosecutors said,
The non involvement of the arguidos parents of Madeleine in any penally relevant action seems to result from the objective circumstances of them
  • not being inside the apartment when she disappeared
  • from the normal behaviour that they adopted until said disappearance
  • and afterwards
  • as can be amply concluded from the witness statements
  • from the telephone communications analysis
  • and also from the forensics' conclusions
  • namely the Reports from the FSS
  • and from the National Institute for Legal Medicine
  • To this can be added that, in reality, none of the indications that led to their constitution as arguidos was later confirmed or consolidated.
  • If not, let us see:
    the information concerning a previous alert of the media before the polices was not confirmed
  • the traces that were marked by the dogs were not ratified in laboratory
  • and the initial indications from the above transcribed email, better clarified at a later date, ended up being revealed as innocuous.

Amaral knew all of that.
Yet he has continued his vendetta against Kate and Gerry McCann ever since 2007 and even now as he defends Brueckner in the media as he interferes with the German investigation of Madeleine's case.

Amaral also knew that Brueckner had been on police radar during his watch.  He also knew that no-one on his team had interviewed him.  We know this because he told us so while at the same time continuing to publicise his slurs against Gerry McCann.

All those years when he knew about Brueckner and never once thought to tip the wink about him.  Very strange.
Admit you've been owned again and move on. It's for the best.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: The General on October 27, 2022, 10:25:14 AM
Admit you've been owned again and move on. It's for the best.

Another very silly comment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2022, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 10:58:41 AM
Another very silly comment.
The troll's desperate to provoke, just ignore.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 02:51:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 27, 2022, 02:14:23 PM
The troll's desperate to provoke, just ignore.

One is bad enough, but two of them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2022, 02:59:56 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 02:51:57 PM
One is bad enough, but two of them?
troll tag team
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 27, 2022, 02:59:56 PM
troll tag team

The only tag team I can see at the moment are those deciding that others are trolls. It would help if they explained how they reached their conclusions. (although it's totally off-topic)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2022, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 03:17:37 PM
The only tag team I can see at the moment are those deciding that others are trolls. It would help if they explained how they reached their conclusions. (although it's totally off-topic)
Are you setting me a trap?  Start a thread on trolls if you want to discuss further.  Meanwhile, to answer your question -  the posts obviously speak for themselves.   Talk of "owning" and "is everyone off searching for Maddie" are clearly designed to provoke (especially as they come out of the blue, after days of no posts on here at all).  As a moderator you should know this, but perhaps you missed that class at Mod School so here you go, just in case you were unsure:

 troll noun [C] (COMPUTING)
 
someone who leaves an intentionally annoying or offensive message on the internet, in order to upset someone or to get attention or cause trouble
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 04:42:11 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 27, 2022, 04:35:22 PM
Are you setting me a trap?  Start a thread on trolls if you want to discuss further.  Meanwhile, to answer your question -  the posts obviously speak for themselves.   Talk of "owning" and "is everyone off searching for Maddie" are clearly designed to provoke (especially as they come out of the blue, after days of no posts on here at all).  As a moderator you should know this, but perhaps you missed that class at Mod School so here you go, just in case you were unsure:

 troll noun [C] (COMPUTING)
 
someone who leaves an intentionally annoying or offensive message on the internet, in order to upset someone or to get attention or cause trouble

Oooh Er.  A few more of those spring to mind.  Especially if they are also Off Topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 27, 2022, 04:35:22 PM
Are you setting me a trap?  Start a thread on trolls if you want to discuss further.  Meanwhile, to answer your question -  the posts obviously speak for themselves.   Talk of "owning" and "is everyone off searching for Maddie" are clearly designed to provoke (especially as they come out of the blue, after days of no posts on here at all).  As a moderator you should know this, but perhaps you missed that class at Mod School so here you go, just in case you were unsure:

 troll noun [C] (COMPUTING)
 
someone who leaves an intentionally annoying or offensive message on the internet, in order to upset someone or to get attention or cause trouble

I have seen nothing annoying or offensive. Who is annoyed or offended and why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2022, 05:28:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 05:11:38 PM
I have seen nothing annoying or offensive. Who is annoyed or offended and why?
Well you would say that wouldn’t you?  Clearly Eleanor found the remarks annoying or had you not noticed that either?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 27, 2022, 06:07:05 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 05:11:38 PM
I have seen nothing annoying or offensive. Who is annoyed or offended and why?

Some make a career out of being annoyed and offended. For others life is full enough not to have to go looking for things that vex them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 27, 2022, 05:28:19 PM
Well you would say that wouldn’t you?  Clearly Eleanor found the remarks annoying or had you not noticed that either?

Annoying isn't quite the word.  But I do not see the point of a German article that we can't read unless we pay, unless it was to Goad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 06:14:43 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 27, 2022, 06:07:05 PM
Some make a career out of being annoyed and offended. For others life is full enough not to have to go looking for things that vex them.

I didn't find or post this half an article in German?  Gunit did that.  I can only wonder why.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2022, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 27, 2022, 06:07:05 PM
Some make a career out of being annoyed and offended. For others life is full enough not to have to go looking for things that vex them.
How on earth did you find the time in your enormously full life to share the benefit of that wisdom (aka goady little post)?  We are so grateful, thank you.  &%54%
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2022, 06:16:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
Annoying isn't quite the word.  But I do not see the point of a German article that we can't read unless we pay, unless it was to Goad.
It was the General’s goady posts I was referring to, the ones you quite rightly described as silly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 27, 2022, 06:16:05 PM
It was the General’s goady posts I was referring to, the ones you quite rightly described as silly.

Oh.  Okay.  Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 27, 2022, 08:22:20 PM
Now here’s the thing…if you think a post has been posted simply to goad, don’t rise to the bait. Just scroll on by and enjoy the rest of your day.

Job done! ( no need to thank me)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
Annoying isn't quite the word.  But I do not see the point of a German article that we can't read unless we pay, unless it was to Goad.

No interest in the questions it raised then? Is this masked, bullet-proof garment wearing man credible and who is the detective who died?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 09:09:00 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 09:05:29 PM
No interest in the questions it raised then? Is this masked, bullet-proof garment wearing man credible and who is the detective who died?

Why don't you find out and then let us know?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 27, 2022, 09:18:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 09:05:29 PM
No interest in the questions it raised then? Is this masked, bullet-proof garment wearing man credible and who is the detective who died?

Didn’t MWT describe him as a fantasist?

Interesting that some discredit everything Amaral says siting his perjury conviction as the reason but take as gospel anything uttered by a career criminal like Busching.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2022, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 27, 2022, 09:18:38 PM
Didn’t MWT describe him as a fantasist?

Interesting that some discredit everything Amaral says siting his perjury conviction as the reason but take as gospel anything uttered by a career criminal like Busching.

Has he been diagnosed as a carer criminal?  Perhaps he's just a very naughty boy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2022, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 27, 2022, 08:22:20 PM
Now here’s the thing…if you think a post has been posted simply to goad, don’t rise to the bait. Just scroll on by and enjoy the rest of your day.

Job done! ( no need to thank me)
That was exactly my advice to Eleanor, great minds think alike!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2022, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 27, 2022, 09:18:38 PM
Didn’t MWT describe him as a fantasist?

Interesting that some discredit everything Amaral says siting his perjury conviction as the reason but take as gospel anything uttered by a career criminal like Busching.
Perhaps you could provide some cites of people taking everything Busching has said as gospel?  I won’t hold my breath because I know there is no evidence to support your contention. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 10:35:39 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 27, 2022, 09:18:38 PM
Didn’t MWT describe him as a fantasist?

Interesting that some discredit everything Amaral says siting his perjury conviction as the reason but take as gospel anything uttered by a career criminal like Busching.

I'm sure they have their reasons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 27, 2022, 10:42:59 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 10:35:39 PM
I'm sure they have their reasons.

Unless your speculations regarding "the reasons" suggest anything to you in relation to Brueckner, they aren't really pertinent on this thread are they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 27, 2022, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on October 27, 2022, 10:35:39 PM
I'm sure they have their reasons.
Faithlilly’s post was spurious which means yours is too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on October 28, 2022, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: The General on October 27, 2022, 10:25:14 AM
Admit you've been owned again and move on. It's for the best.

Does that carry a hidden message for Brietta?   Is it a threat in disguise?


I think I know who the real Brietta is.  I also think that I know what that message means and it is extremely nasty.  ... and I am thinking that it is not The Gen who is speaking there, but someone close to him


I think that I am right.   I have followed the signs.   Signs that I doubt anyone else here has noticed.


This is all in my honest opinion only, but I have noticed some pretty compelling things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 12:26:17 AM
Quote from: Brietta on October 27, 2022, 10:42:59 PM
Unless your speculations regarding "the reasons" suggest anything to you in relation to Brueckner, they aren't really pertinent on this thread are they?

Money or throwing their friends under passenger carrying vehicular transport to avoid trouble are two very pertinent ‘reasons’ Busching may have brought his ‘friend’ to the authorities attention. They have a great bearing on the case against Brueckner as it stands.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 12:30:20 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 27, 2022, 10:21:13 PM
Perhaps you could provide some cites of people taking everything Busching has said as gospel?  I won’t hold my breath because I know there is no evidence to support your contention.

So you don’t believe Busching? What about Tatschi?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 28, 2022, 07:13:34 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 12:30:20 AM
So you don’t believe Busching? What about Tatschi?
You need to learn the difference between “not taking everything as gospel” and “not believing”.  I have no idea whether either character is telling “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth” however I do know that their evidence helped secure a successful rape conviction as it was substantiated by DNA evidence of the accused.   So, there’s an example of nuance for you, now perhaps you can stop making stupid observations like “the faithful take every word as gospel”.  No we don’t.  I don’t take every word the McCanns or their friends have said as gospel, I just think that broadly speaking they are telling the truth.  Now, this is not an invitation for you to keep badgering me on the subject like you usually do, learn also to accept what I have said and move on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 28, 2022, 07:16:09 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 12:26:17 AM
Money or throwing their friends under passenger carrying vehicular transport to avoid trouble are two very pertinent ‘reasons’ Busching may have brought his ‘friend’ to the authorities attention. They have a great bearing on the case against Brueckner as it stands.
I wonder if that’s ever occurred to the German authorities….  *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 07:13:34 AM
You need to learn the difference between “not taking everything as gospel” and “not believing”.  I have no idea whether either character is telling “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth” however I do know that their evidence helped secure a successful rape conviction as it was substantiated by DNA evidence of the accused.   So, there’s an example of nuance for you, now perhaps you can stop making stupid observations like “the faithful take every word as gospel”.  No we don’t.  I don’t take every word the McCanns or their friends have said as gospel, I just think that broadly speaking they are telling the truth.  Now, this is not an invitation for you to keep badgering me on the subject like you usually do, learn also to accept what I have said and move on.

Didn’t the tape allegedly found by the criminal cartel feature an entirely different woman from the one Brueckner was convicted of raping? Not that it could be proven either way as we only have the the sleazy reprobates word that the tape actually ever existed in the first place.

We must never forget the length that some authorities will go to to secure a conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 28, 2022, 11:55:36 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 11:30:35 AM
Didn’t the tape allegedly found by the criminal cartel feature an entirely different woman from the one Brueckner was convicted of raping? Not that it could be proven either way as we only have the the sleazy reprobates word that the tape actually ever existed in the first place.

We must never forget the length that some authorities will go to to secure a conviction.
Sure, but then you'd have to believe that the authorities planted DNA evidence in the raped woman's bed just to make the "sleazy reprobates" evidence stack up.  If that's what you want to believe then that's entirely your prerogative.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 28, 2022, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 11:30:35 AM
Didn’t the tape allegedly found by the criminal cartel feature an entirely different woman from the one Brueckner was convicted of raping? Not that it could be proven either way as we only have the the sleazy reprobates word that the tape actually ever existed in the first place.

We must never forget the length that some authorities will go to to secure a conviction.
Imagine incidentally if I were to suggest that the authorities went to the lengths of deliberately contaminating Apartment 5a and the hire car with cadaver odour just to try and secure a conviction, eh?  I wonder what you'd say to that....  *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 11:55:36 AM
Sure, but then you'd have to believe that the authorities planted DNA evidence in the raped woman's bed just to make the "sleazy reprobates" evidence stack up.  If that's what you want to believe then that's entirely your prerogative.

How long was it between the rape and the German authorities receiving Brueckner’s hair? How closely was the chain of evidence adhered to? In what way was the hair stored?

All these questions and more would need to be answered before the value of the DNA can be considered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 28, 2022, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 11:59:09 AM
Imagine incidentally if I were to suggest that the authorities went to the lengths of deliberately contaminating Apartment 5a and the hire car with cadaver odour just to try and secure a conviction, eh?  I wonder what you'd say to that....  *%87

You mean they didn't?  Although that didn't go well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 11:59:09 AM
Imagine incidentally if I were to suggest that the authorities went to the lengths of deliberately contaminating Apartment 5a and the hire car with cadaver odour just to try and secure a conviction, eh?  I wonder what you'd say to that....  *%87

Anything’s possible but are you saying that evidence has never planted evidence to secure a conviction?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 28, 2022, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 12:11:58 PM
How long was it between the rape and the German authorities receiving Brueckner’s hair? How closely was the chain of evidence adhered to? In what way was the hair stored?

All these questions and more would need to be answered before the value of the DNA can be considered.

The PJ must have nicked one of Brueckner's pubic hairs and then saved it, because it came from Portugal.  Or perhaps The PJ caught the cat.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 28, 2022, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 12:15:52 PM
Anything’s possible but are you saying that evidence has never planted evidence to secure a conviction?

Do you think that The BKA nicked one of Brueckner's pubic hairs?  Why not half a dozen?

Search his cell.  Bingo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 28, 2022, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 12:11:58 PM
How long was it between the rape and the German authorities receiving Brueckner’s hair? How closely was the chain of evidence adhered to? In what way was the hair stored?

All these questions and more would need to be answered before the value of the DNA can be considered.
Oh.  So you're thinking none of this was considered and that CB was tried and convicted in a kangaroo court?  OK then.  Perhaps consult your mate McLean on how best to mount the campaign to free Bruckner on the basis of a possible miscarriage of justice?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 28, 2022, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 12:15:52 PM
Anything’s possible but are you saying that evidence has never planted evidence to secure a conviction?
Do you think I'm saying that?  Are you saying the German authorities were so determined to pin a rape that took place in Portugal on one of their own (a no-mark small time crook and paedo) that they sent undercover cops to Portugal plant evidence to incriminate him?  Does that seem likely to you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 28, 2022, 12:23:08 PM
Do you think that The BKA nicked one of Brueckner's pubic hairs?  Why not half a dozen?

Search his cell.  Bingo.

I would say the chain of evidence was problematic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 12:26:13 PM
Oh.  So you're thinking none of this was considered and that CB was tried and convicted in a kangaroo court?  OK then.  Perhaps consult your mate McLean on how best to mount the campaign to free Bruckner on the basis of a possible miscarriage of justice?

The chain of evidence is problematic.

If there was enough evidence to convict in addition to the hair and Busching’s dubious tale about the video then it would have been a much stronger case. Was there more evidence?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 04:13:13 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 12:28:51 PM
Do you think I'm saying that?  Are you saying the German authorities were so determined to pin a rape that took place in Portugal on one of their own (a no-mark small time crook and paedo) that they sent undercover cops to Portugal plant evidence to incriminate him?  Does that seem likely to you?

No it doesn’t and that is not what I am saying.

The Portuguese police had the evidence, the crime took place in Portugal. Why didn’t the trial take place in Portugal?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 28, 2022, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 04:13:13 PM
No it doesn’t and that is not what I am saying.

The Portuguese police had the evidence, the crime took place in Portugal. Why didn’t the trial take place in Portugal?
Don't ask me.  If you're not saying the police planted the evidence then how do you suppose CB's hair got into the victim's bed?  Was it a million to one coincidence that a cat brought his hair into her bed, and therefore corroborated the dastardly villains' story?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 05:47:53 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 04:22:07 PM
Don't ask me.  If you're not saying the police planted the evidence then how do you suppose CB's hair got into the victim's bed?  Was it a million to one coincidence that a cat brought his her into her bed, and corroborated the dastardly villains' story?

I’m sorry haven’t I already said that the chain of custody regarding the hair is problematic. How was the hair stored in Portugal ? When was the DNA extracted? Was the hair sent to Germany or simply the DNA profile? If the hair was sent how was it stored? Was it placed with other items taken from Brueckner?

Cross-contamination is not always a deliberate act but as a result of time and ineptitude.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on October 28, 2022, 06:06:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 04:22:07 PM
Don't ask me.  If you're not saying the police planted the evidence then how do you suppose CB's hair got into the victim's bed?  Was it a million to one coincidence that a cat brought his hair into her bed, and corroborated the dastardly villains' story?

Following due process Brueckner was found guilty of perpetrating an horrendous crime on an innocent woman for which I am sure he would have made himself subject to the normal appeals process.

The fact he is still in jail paying for his crime would indicate that having been found guilty of rape, any appeal which he was entitled to subsequently lodge fell on the deaf ears of the courts.
And no-one batted an eyelid because no-one was aware that later on ~ Brueckner would become known as being the prime suspect in England; the prime suspect in Germany; and the only suspect in Portugal for the crime against Madeleine McCann.

Could the amazing phenomenon of Amaral and fellow sceptics leaving no stone unturned in their defence of the so called "petty criminal" (since when was rape and child abuse "petty"?) be somehow related to their doctrine of denial.

Brueckner is now charged among other offences with the rape of three other women.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 28, 2022, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 05:47:53 PM
I’m sorry haven’t I already said that the chain of custody regarding the hair is problematic. How was the hair stored in Portugal ? When was the DNA extracted? Was the hair sent to Germany or simply the DNA profile? If the hair was sent how was it stored? Was it placed with other items taken from Brueckner?

Cross-contamination is not always a deliberate act but as a result of time and ineptitude.
You have commented on the supposed extraordinary lengths some authorities will go to secure a conviction which suggests you believe their deception may have played a part in this case.  Then you claimed you were not suggesting that at all but instead that somehow or other a hair found in the victim’s bedding was not actually CB’s at all.  You are aware aren’t you that he has been tried and found guilty and that the time for establishing the answers to the questions you raise was prior to his trial by his defence team?  Did they fail to challenge the DNA evidence in court, or did they do so and their argument successfully refuted by the prosecution team?   You are also aware are you not that CB proffered the excuse that he used to stop and pet the victim’s cat which tends to suggest that he accepted that the hair was his?  Why are you so reluctant to accept the verdict of the court or that CB raped this woman?  What counter evidence do you have to suggest he is actually innocent in this case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 28, 2022, 07:01:20 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 04:00:46 PM
I would say the chain of evidence was problematic.

So who stitched that one up?  Was it The BKA?  And why would they want to do that?

The Fact remains that Brueckner is a serial abuser and has somehow finished up in Germany because Portugal didn't want to know.

But Germany has a right to pursue one of it's own citizens when no one else wants to do this.  Least of all Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 28, 2022, 07:13:35 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 28, 2022, 07:01:20 PM
So who stitched that one up?  Was it The BKA?  And why would they want to do that?

The Fact remains that Brueckner is a serial abuser and has somehow finished up in Germany because Portugal didn't want to know.

But Germany has a right to pursue one of it's own citizens when no one else wants to do this.  Least of all Portugal.
How would Faithlilly know that “the chain of evidence was problematic “?  Was she part of the investigation?  Was she involved in the defence team inquiries?  Of is she staing something as fact which actually is simply her opinion voiced from a position of almost complete ignorance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 28, 2022, 07:39:46 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 07:13:35 PM
How would Faithlilly know that “the chain of evidence was problematic “?  Was she part of the investigation?  Was she involved in the defence team inquiries?  Of is she staing something as fact which actually is simply her opinion voiced from a position of almost complete ignorance?

I don't know and I don't actually care.  That was for The Court to do.  Otherwise we all might just as well pass legal judgement and expect to win.

Faithlilly's judgements have no value, but then she knows that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:10:07 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 06:38:14 PM
You have commented on the supposed extraordinary lengths some authorities will go to secure a conviction which suggests you believe their deception may have played a part in this case.  Then you claimed you were not suggesting that at all but instead that somehow or other a hair found in the victim’s bedding was not actually CB’s at all.  You are aware aren’t you that he has been tried and found guilty and that the time for establishing the answers to the questions you raise was prior to his trial by his defence team?  Did they fail to challenge the DNA evidence in court, or did they do so and their argument successfully refuted by the prosecution team?   You are also aware are you not that CB proffered the excuse that he used to stop and pet the victim’s cat which tends to suggest that he accepted that the hair was his?  Why are you so reluctant to accept the verdict of the court or that CB raped this woman?  What counter evidence do you have to suggest he is actually innocent in this case?

Where do I start with your post?

I did not say that the hair found was not Brueckner’s but simply that if the chain of custody was particularly complex, as this one was, there are multiple reasons why the evidence might be questioned.

Another problem with the case, as with the Cipriano one, is the reportage from the trial in English, or even good translations, are very thin on the ground so it’s not at all easy to discern what evidence was actually presented. Was there more than the hair and the missing tape?

Yes I do realise that Brueckner came up a reason why his hair may have been at the crime scene. If the hair was his and he knew that he hadn’t raped the woman then it’s hardly surprising that he tried to concoct a solution that took into account his hair being in the woman’s bedroom while he hadn’t been.

I’m not reluctant to believe Brueckner guilty, I’m simply questioning a guilty verdict if the only evidence presented was the testimony of two old lags about a missing video on which the victim didn’t appear and one hair whose chain of custody may be problematic. Of course there may have been stronger evidence presented which secured the conviction but it’s odd that to this day that it hasn’t been reported. Do you know of any stronger evidence? A violent rape but only one hair to show for it? Do you really believe that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:11:54 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 28, 2022, 07:39:46 PM
I don't know and I don't actually care.  That was for The Court to do.  Otherwise we all might just as well pass legal judgement and expect to win.

Faithlilly's judgements have no value, but then she knows that.

That’s the thing…I’m not making judgements but simply looking at the evidence, however scarce.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:18:46 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2022, 07:13:35 PM
How would Faithlilly know that “the chain of evidence was problematic “?  Was she part of the investigation?  Was she involved in the defence team inquiries?  Of is she staing something as fact which actually is simply her opinion voiced from a position of almost complete ignorance?

The hair had been stored for 14 years in Portugal and, if the DNA was not extracted there, transported to Germany. By its very nature that makes the chain of evidence problematic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:46:29 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 28, 2022, 07:01:20 PM
So who stitched that one up?  Was it The BKA?  And why would they want to do that?

The Fact remains that Brueckner is a serial abuser and has somehow finished up in Germany because Portugal didn't want to know.

But Germany has a right to pursue one of it's own citizens when no one else wants to do this.  Least of all Portugal.

Brueckner is a danger to children and women, no doubt about that and the longer he’s off the streets the better.

While we’ve got what has been called a child abuse epidemic in the U.K. I think we need to temper our language when it comes to other countries and similar policing problems.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/five-year-uk-child-abuse-inquiry-deliver-conclusions-2022-10-19/

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 01:12:56 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:11:54 AM
That’s the thing…I’m not making judgements but simply looking at the evidence, however scarce.

You know that this is all a game of words these day and that some of us are better at it than others, although not necessarily me.  I am still learning.  The rest of you must do as you think you are able.  I just want a reasonable discussion.

I find the nastiness very difficult to deal with because it accomplishes nothing, although I do not think that you are inherently nasty most of the time.  But some people are.

However, The German Court found Brueckner Guilty and I doubt that this was just on a Pubic Hair.  We are dealing with a system that we don't really understand, just being Judges rather than a Jury.

Did anyone ever see a transcript of The Trial, let alone a translation?

The worst part of this for me is that Portugal didn't even try.  And Yes, I do know that I keep on about this, but it does happen to be a fact.

And now there are three other apparently similar Rapes and two more similar Child Abuse Cases.  Although but for Madeleine we would probably be completely unaware of any of this.

But to all of you, if we could keep the nastiness out of this then I will be eternally grateful.  And I would much rather talk to you all than piss about deleting stuff that you didn't have to say in the first place..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 29, 2022, 07:20:10 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:10:07 AM
Where do I start with your post?

I did not say that the hair found was not Brueckner’s but simply that if the chain of custody was particularly complex, as this one was, there are multiple reasons why the evidence might be questioned.

Another problem with the case, as with the Cipriano one, is the reportage from the trial in English, or even good translations, are very thin on the ground so it’s not at all easy to discern what evidence was actually presented. Was there more than the hair and the missing tape?

Yes I do realise that Brueckner came up a reason why his hair may have been at the crime scene. If the hair was his and he knew that he hadn’t raped the woman then it’s hardly surprising that he tried to concoct a solution that took into account his hair being in the woman’s bedroom while he hadn’t been.

I’m not reluctant to believe Brueckner guilty, I’m simply questioning a guilty verdict if the only evidence presented was the testimony of two old lags about a missing video on which the victim didn’t appear and one hair whose chain of custody may be problematic. Of course there may have been stronger evidence presented which secured the conviction but it’s odd that to this day that it hasn’t been reported. Do you know of any stronger evidence? A violent rape but only one hair to show for it? Do you really believe that?
Like I say and as you admit above, you are arguing from a position of almost complete ignorance.  As I know as much about what was presented in court as you do it would be pointless having two ignorami debating the evidence wouldn’t it?.  If there are grounds for an appeal then that’s up to CB’s lawyer - what’s he waiting for?  If it’s a matter of funding I suggest you have a word with Spam or Isabelle McFadden and try and kickstart the fundraiser asap, there’s enough CB supporters out there in Scepticland to raise a few grand like you did for Amaral.  Meanwhile unlike you I am not agonizing over whether or not CB was wrongly convicted but look forward to seeing how it pans out for him in the HB case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 29, 2022, 07:22:26 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:18:46 AM
The hair had been stored for 14 years in Portugal and, if the DNA was not extracted there, transported to Germany. By its very nature that makes the chain of evidence problematic.
But you don’t know do you?  You do however seem to be suggesting that the Portuguese police sat on vital evidence for 14 years and never thought to have it DNA tested which is a bit shocking if true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 29, 2022, 07:23:46 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:46:29 AM
Brueckner is a danger to children and women, no doubt about that and the longer he’s off the streets the better.

While we’ve got what has been called a child abuse epidemic in the U.K. I think we need to temper our language when it comes to other countries and similar policing problems.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/five-year-uk-child-abuse-inquiry-deliver-conclusions-2022-10-19/
Erm, on what basis have you concluded that CB is without doubt a danger to women?   *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 09:56:05 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 01:12:56 AM
You know that this is all a game of words these day and that some of us are better at it than others, although not necessarily me.  I am still learning.  The rest of you must do as you think you are able.  I just want a reasonable discussion.

I find the nastiness very difficult to deal with because it accomplishes nothing, although I do not think that you are inherently nasty most of the time.  But some people are.

However, The German Court found Brueckner Guilty and I doubt that this was just on a Pubic Hair.  We are dealing with a system that we don't really understand, just being Judges rather than a Jury.

Did anyone ever see a transcript of The Trial, let alone a translation?

The worst part of this for me is that Portugal didn't even try.  And Yes, I do know that I keep on about this, but it does happen to be a fact.

And now there are three other apparently similar Rapes and two more similar Child Abuse Cases.  Although but for Madeleine we would probably be completely unaware of any of this.

But to all of you, if we could keep the nastiness out of this then I will be eternally grateful.  And I would much rather talk to you all than piss about deleting stuff that you didn't have to say in the first place..

We really know so little of the meat of this case that I think it’s a stretch to say that Portugal didn’t try to bring the offender to book. It was be interesting to see how Germany actually became involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 29, 2022, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:11:54 AM
That’s the thing…I’m not making judgements but simply looking at the evidence, however scarce.
The evidence was overwhelming
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 09:56:05 AM
We really know so little of the meat of this case that I think it’s a stretch to say that Portugal didn’t try to bring the offender to book. It was be interesting to see how Germany actually became involved.

But it's not just one case.  Although we will have to await the Verdicts on the latest slew.  But there are witnesses to the two child abuse cases.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 29, 2022, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 09:56:05 AM
We really know so little of the meat of this case that I think it’s a stretch to say that Portugal didn’t try to bring the offender to book. It was be interesting to see how Germany actually became involved.
They had evience in the form of a hair from the bed of the victim which they sat on for 14 years apparently.  They must have tested it to ascertain that it was not the victim's hair, or do you think they simply assumed it wasn't but didn't bother getting it tested?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 29, 2022, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 09:56:05 AM
We really know so little of the meat of this case that I think it’s a stretch to say that Portugal didn’t try to bring the offender to book. It was be interesting to see how Germany actually became involved.

Indeed, they investigated, contrary to the propaganda, but all they had was a dna sample from someone who wasn't on the database & a vague description of a 6 foot, masked & tight wearing intruder.
It's unreasonable to expect the PJ to have been able to do much with that evidence really. If you're honest & objective about the matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on October 29, 2022, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 28, 2022, 05:47:53 PM
I’m sorry haven’t I already said that the chain of custody regarding the hair is problematic. How was the hair stored in Portugal ? When was the DNA extracted? Was the hair sent to Germany or simply the DNA profile? If the hair was sent how was it stored? Was it placed with other items taken from Brueckner?

Cross-contamination is not always a deliberate act but as a result of time and ineptitude.

Watching true crime programmes,  if they find a hair,  they take DNA from it to check the DNA base.    Don't know if Portugal do that though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:53:53 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 11:01:39 AM
But it's not just one case.  Although we will have to await the Verdicts on the latest slew.  But there are witnesses to the two child abuse cases.

Absolutely and he will rightly face the consequences of his actions but unless there is a slew of evidence in the rape case that we know nothing about I, if I was on a jury, would not be convinced of his guilt on the evidence thus presented.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:59:58 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 29, 2022, 11:33:37 AM
They had evience in the form of a hair from the bed of the victim which they sat on for 14 years apparently.  They must have tested it to ascertain that it was not the victim's hair, or do you think they simply assumed it wasn't but didn't bother getting it tested?

I believe that’s what exactly happened in the McCann case. Hairs were not tested because they were not the right colour. Very shoddy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on October 29, 2022, 01:51:32 PM
Quote from: Lace on October 29, 2022, 12:33:23 PM
Watching true crime programmes,  if they find a hair,  they take DNA from it to check the DNA base.    Don't know if Portugal do that though.

Up until recently DNA could only be extracted from a hair follicle, so not all hair samples could be tested.

New technology has changed this
https://www.genomebc.ca/blog/forensics-breakthrough-dna-extracted-from-rootless-hair
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 29, 2022, 01:53:00 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:59:58 PM
I believe that’s what exactly happened in the McCann case. Hairs were not tested because they were not the right colour. Very shoddy.
What was "the right" colour?  Abductor colour? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:53:53 PM
Absolutely and he will rightly face the consequences of his actions but unless there is a slew of evidence in the rape case that we know nothing about I, if I was on a jury, would not be convinced of his guilt on the evidence thus presented.

But now there are Three Rape Cases.  One of which will at least be proven.  Unless I am Fanny's Aunt.  And of course there will be No Jury.

I don't know how I feel about Judges Only Trials, but not my problem.  Brueckner needs to be locked up for a further twenty five years, although I don't have much hope on that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 29, 2022, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 12:53:53 PM
Absolutely and he will rightly face the consequences of his actions but unless there is a slew of evidence in the rape case that we know nothing about I, if I was on a jury, would not be convinced of his guilt on the evidence thus presented.
You don't know the details of the evidence presented so how are you in any position to come to a conclusion either way?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on October 29, 2022, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 02:01:40 PM
But now there are Three Rape Cases.  One of which will at least be proven.  Unless I am Fanny's Aunt.  And of course there will be No Jury.

I don't know how I feel about Judges Only Trials, but not my problem.  Brueckner needs to be locked up for a further twenty five years, although I don't have much hope on that.

If convicted will they run concurrent or separately ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 29, 2022, 02:40:28 PM
You don't know the details of the evidence presented so how are you in any position to come to a conclusion either way?

We are all just guessing, Our Kid.  But isn't that what it is all about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 29, 2022, 02:56:12 PM
If convicted will they run concurrent or separately ?

If I know anything about The Germans then it will be consequ.......  Oh b....r.  One after the other.  And as it should be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 29, 2022, 01:53:00 PM
What was "the right" colour?  Abductor colour?

Blonde I presume as they were thought to be Madeleine’s.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 03:22:39 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 03:16:03 PM
Blonde I presume as they were thought to be Madeleine’s.

But Madeleine wasn't Blonde in the true sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 03:33:01 PM
Quote from: barrier on October 29, 2022, 02:56:12 PM
If convicted will they run concurrent or separately ?

Ah Ha. Consecutively.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 29, 2022, 04:38:46 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 03:16:03 PM
Blonde I presume as they were thought to be Madeleine’s.
I don't understand.  They had hairs that they didn't test because they assumed they were Madeleine's?  Or they had hairs that weren't blonde like Madeleine's so didn't test them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2022, 05:45:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on October 29, 2022, 03:22:39 PM
But Madeleine wasn't Blonde in the true sense.

That is how her hair is described in every description I’ve ever seen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: The General on November 03, 2022, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: sadie on October 28, 2022, 12:00:44 AM
Does that carry a hidden message for Brietta?   Is it a threat in disguise?


I think I know who the real Brietta is.  I also think that I know what that message means and it is extremely nasty.  ... and I am thinking that it is not The Gen who is speaking there, but someone close to him


I think that I am right.   I have followed the signs.   Signs that I doubt anyone else here has noticed.


This is all in my honest opinion only, but I have noticed some pretty compelling things.
You seem to have followed the signs competently. Now see if you can cover my fianchetto.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 04, 2022, 01:25:31 AM
Quote from: The General on November 03, 2022, 02:37:20 PM
You seem to have followed the signs competently. Now see if you can cover my fianchetto.

Thank you for acknowledging that I have followed the signs competently.   So this was a threat to Brietta.  Why don't you clean up your act?   

Seems  that you are confirming that The General could be Myster or even someone else ?   A few weeks ago, there was some extremely advanced language and argument  posted in your name, whch despite your language and your fathers language being advanced was way beyond either of you.   Who was he/she ?



Oo-err, I don't want to cover your fianchetto, thank you.   It has been decades since I played chess and I am not here to play games .... or cover anybodies anything.

My mission is not to play games, but to try and help abused children and find out where they are.    As much as possible to prevent similar cases happening again.   Madeleine was the catalyst.      Of course, with selfish men taking * The Left Hand Path * it will be like the Phoenix and as soon as one lot of criminals are sentenced  another lot will rise again from the Ashes.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on November 04, 2022, 06:51:12 AM
Sadie... you shouldn't be worrying and posting about who's who in the middle of the night, because it isn't good for your mental health.  I haven't got a clue who the Gen is, nor am I bovvered and neither should you be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2022, 11:40:58 AM

Anyway, just checking in.

How's the case against Brueckner going?

Wolters having much luck is he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 04, 2022, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2022, 11:40:58 AM
Anyway, just checking in.

How's the case against Brueckner going?

Wolters having much luck is he?

Come back in the new year it'll all kick off then, or maybe not as the case maybe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 04, 2022, 10:45:14 PM
Quote from: Myster on November 04, 2022, 06:51:12 AM
Sadie... you shouldn't be worrying and posting about who's who in the middle of the night, because it isn't good for your mental health.  I haven't got a clue who the Gen is, nor am I bovvered and neither should you be.

As far as I am concerned your posting time of 6.51am is the middle of the night unless you ae a milkman or bus driver.  My time was 1.25am, which was the only time that I could get non-interrupted thinking and posting time



How's your mental health?   Please stop casting aspersions.  Is this your new mode of attack against me?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on November 04, 2022, 10:50:26 PM
Quote from: Myster on November 04, 2022, 06:51:12 AM
Sadie... you shouldn't be worrying and posting about who's who in the middle of the night, because it isn't good for your mental health.  I haven't got a clue who the Gen is, nor am I bovvered and neither should you be.

How strange, when earlier you talked about him as your son and loving him.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 04, 2022, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: sadie on November 04, 2022, 10:50:26 PM
How strange, when earlier you talked about him as your son and loving him.

Sadie, I love your signature 💖
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 07, 2022, 11:29:12 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on November 04, 2022, 11:40:58 AM
Anyway, just checking in.

How's the case against Brueckner going?

Wolters having much luck is he?

Going well isn't it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 11, 2022, 09:54:07 AM
Good as a defence as any.


The time that some of these crimes are supposed to have happened I was in prison.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-rambling-prison-28461839
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: barrier on November 11, 2022, 09:54:07 AM
Good as a defence as any.


The time that some of these crimes are supposed to have happened I was in prison.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-rambling-prison-28461839

In Prison where?  It can't have been in Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on November 11, 2022, 10:43:10 AM
Wolters' recent press statement, but the naysayers are out in force as usual...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416251/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-says-German-police-trying-frame-crimes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416251/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-says-German-police-trying-frame-crimes.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 10:16:38 AM
In Prison where?  It can't have been in Germany.

Now that he faces five separate charges for sexual offences, Brueckner and his legal team will have had access to the relevant files showing the prosecution case.

That being my understanding of the German legal process.

I think if that is the best he can come up with despite being in possession of the prosecution evidence against him, I don't think it is looking good for him. 
There is certainly no doubt of the dates of at least three of the cases for which he is indicted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 10:45:38 AM
Now that he faces five separate charges for sexual offences, Brueckner and his legal team will have had access to the relevant files showing the prosecution case.

That being my understanding of the German legal process.

I think if that is the best he can come up with despite being in possession of the prosecution evidence against him, I don't think it is looking good for him. 
There is certainly no doubt of the dates of at least three of the cases for which he is indicted.

Let him blab away.  The two child abuse cases are more or less a done deal with witnesses and a Police Arrest.  Why was he not charged at the time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 10:56:23 AM
Let him blab away.  The two child abuse cases are more or less a done deal with witnesses and a Police Arrest.  Why was he not charged at the time?

Good question.

In the case of the ten year old on the beach - if he was looked for - he wasn't found.

In the playground case I think that he wasn't charged is extraordinary given that he was apprehended on the spot,  If memory serves me well the arresting officer was an off duty police officer attending the fiesta with her child who probably saved him from irate parents quite anxious to have a word.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 11:13:45 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 11:05:33 AM
Good question.

In the case of the ten year old on the beach - if he was looked for - he wasn't found.

In the playground case I think that he wasn't charged is extraordinary given that he was apprehended on the spot,  If memory serves me well the arresting officer was an off duty police officer attending the fiesta with her child who probably saved him from irate parents quite anxious to have a word.

This just gets worse for Portugal.  What on earth did they think they were doing?  It is a colossal disgrace.

Anyway, Germany has recently increased the Tarif for child abuse crimes so that might get him another measly  five to ten years.  Although obviously not long enough.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on November 11, 2022, 11:19:20 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 11:05:33 AM
Good question.

In the case of the ten year old on the beach - if he was looked for - he wasn't found.

In the playground case I think that he wasn't charged is extraordinary given that he was apprehended on the spot,  If memory serves me well the arresting officer was an off duty police officer attending the fiesta with her child who probably saved him from irate parents quite anxious to have a word.

Perhaps it wasn't legally as straightforward a case as we are led to believe.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 11:21:35 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 11:05:33 AM
Good question.

In the case of the ten year old on the beach - if he was looked for - he wasn't found.

In the playground case I think that he wasn't charged is extraordinary given that he was apprehended on the spot,  If memory serves me well the arresting officer was an off duty police officer attending the fiesta with her child who probably saved him from irate parents quite anxious to have a word.

Brueckner was a suspect in a sex crime in an Algarve playground as recently as 2017.

He was held on suspicion of exposing himself to children. Police discovered Brueckner was wanted in Germany so did not prosecute him for the alleged crime, but they reopened the case last year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-pal-thinks-24238324


Well, that explains why no action was taken against him by the Portuguese in 2017.  They knew he was on the German radar at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 11:26:15 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 11:13:45 AM
This just gets worse for Portugal.  What on earth did they think they were doing?  It is a colossal disgrace.

Anyway, Germany has recently increased the Tarif for child abuse crimes so that might get him another measly  five to ten years.  Although obviously not long enough.

There was cooperation with Germany.  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-pal-thinks-24238324

One just wonders just how much the Portuguese knew of how deep German investigators were looking into him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 11:31:20 AM
Quote from: jassi on November 11, 2022, 11:19:20 AM
Perhaps it wasn't legally as straightforward a case as we are led to believe.

Who is leading you to believe what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 11, 2022, 11:39:01 AM
Quote from: Myster on November 11, 2022, 10:43:10 AM
Wolters' recent press statement, but the naysayers are out in force as usual...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416251/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-says-German-police-trying-frame-crimes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416251/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-says-German-police-trying-frame-crimes.html)

He's bound to deny everything.  Let the court decide.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 11:40:46 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 11:21:35 AM
Brueckner was a suspect in a sex crime in an Algarve playground as recently as 2017.

He was held on suspicion of exposing himself to children. Police discovered Brueckner was wanted in Germany so did not prosecute him for the alleged crime, but they reopened the case last year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-pal-thinks-24238324


Well, that explains why no action was taken against him by the Portuguese in 2017.  They knew he was on the German radar at the time.

That doesn't make sense.  The Portuguese shelved the case in favour of Germany.  And then reopened the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on November 11, 2022, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 11:26:15 AM
There was cooperation with Germany.  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-pal-thinks-24238324

One just wonders just how much the Portuguese knew of how deep German investigators were looking into him.

I think some people know more than they will admit,  afraid of CB coming back.   He has got away with so much in the past it's no wonder they are concerned he will get away again.

They need to tell the Police everything they know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 11:40:46 AM
That doesn't make sense.  The Portuguese shelved the case in favour of Germany.  And then reopened the case.


EXCLUSIVE: BRAVE WPC CONFIRMS UNT FOR ‘BLONDE ACCOMPLICE’ OF MADDIE SUSPECT CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER
It came after she arrested Brueckner in a children’s park during a local fiesta
Jon Clarke – 8Sep 2021
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/09/08/exclusive-brave-wpc-confirms-hunt-for-blonde-accomplice-of-maddie-suspect-christian-brueckner/

Interesting that it is affirmed that Brueckner was accompanied very much along the lines of the two blonde males seen by witnesses in 2007:  this time by a trained observer capable of recognising Brueckner as she describes in the newspaper article and Jon Clarke's book.

_____________________________________________


To answer your post Eleanor.


I think the Portuguese did follow it through, perhaps to the extent of getting information about Brueckner from the Germans.  But at German behest left the investigation to them.  They might even have been investigating Angela's rape at the time and by 2017 suspicions regarding Madeleine might have been arising.

So on the face of it the Portuguese might have seemed remiss ~ but who knows what might have been rumbling behind the scenes in Portugal?
Angla's rape wasn't tried until 2019 and given the tortoise alacrity inter force (and international) investigations proceed at, must have been a long time in putting the evidence together.

Officer Vanessa Veira was working when Madeleine vanished and there may have been higher ups still with an interest too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 12:20:45 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 12:09:10 PM


EXCLUSIVE: BRAVE WPC CONFIRMS UNT FOR ‘BLONDE ACCOMPLICE’ OF MADDIE SUSPECT CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER
It came after she arrested Brueckner in a children’s park during a local fiesta
Jon Clarke – 8Sep 2021
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/09/08/exclusive-brave-wpc-confirms-hunt-for-blonde-accomplice-of-maddie-suspect-christian-brueckner/

Interesting that it is affirmed that Brueckner was accompanied very much along the lines of the two blonde males seen by witnesses in 2007:  this time by a trained observer capable of recognising Brueckner as she describes in the newspaper article and Jon Clarke's book.

_____________________________________________


To answer your post Eleanor.


I think the Portuguese did follow it through, perhaps to the extent of getting information about Brueckner from the Germans.  But at German behest left the investigation to them.  They might even have been investigating Angela's rape at the time and by 2017 suspicions regarding Madeleine might have been arising.

So on the face of it the Portuguese might have seemed remiss ~ but who knows what might have been rumbling behind the scenes in Portugal?
Angla's rape wasn't tried until 2019 and given the tortoise alacrity inter force (and international) investigations proceed at, must have been a long time in putting the evidence together.

Officer Vanessa Veira was working when Madeleine vanished and there may have been higher ups still with an interest too.

This doesn't cover the several other incidents that happened some years earlier when nothing was done at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 12:20:45 PM
This doesn't cover the several other incidents that happened some years earlier when nothing was done at all.

Absolutely correct and nothing exemplifies that more than the handling of the disappearances of two little girls from adjacent villages a short time apart from each other.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2022, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: Brietta on November 11, 2022, 01:32:31 PM
Absolutely correct and nothing exemplifies that more than the handling of the disappearances of two little girls from adjacent villages a short time apart from each other.

There are times when this nearly defeats me.  But only in terms of the campaign against The McCanns.  I simply don't understand what motivates these people.  I can only assume that something awful must have happened to them.  For which I would be very sad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 11, 2022, 02:58:59 PM
Quote from: barrier on November 11, 2022, 09:54:07 AM
Good as a defence as any.


The time that some of these crimes are supposed to have happened I was in prison.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-rambling-prison-28461839
You'd think this is something that the prosecutor might have checked before pressing charges.  I smell desperation on the part of CB....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2022, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: Myster on November 11, 2022, 10:43:10 AM
Wolters' recent press statement, but the naysayers are out in force as usual...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416251/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-says-German-police-trying-frame-crimes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416251/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-says-German-police-trying-frame-crimes.html)

The people commenting on that article are delusional. Wolters has solved the case. Only idiots could have any doubt about the concrete evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 21, 2022, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:58:23 PM
Get back to me when they prove it.

Shouldn't be much longer now.......

A wise man once wrote.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 28, 2022, 06:40:45 PM
This today. And, a comment from a well-informed German poster on Websleuths:

“Seems like the court in Braunschweig had enough time to examine the files from the latest charges. After it issued the arrest warrant it seems to be very likely, that the court is going to open the trial against CB as well”.

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/madeleine-maddie-mccann-haftbefehl-gegen-christian-b-wegen-weiterer-sexualstraftaten-erlassen-a-73e3e5f9-5a57-4a38-978d-5e49816676be
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on November 28, 2022, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: Anthro on November 28, 2022, 06:40:45 PM
This today. And, a comment from a well-informed German poster on Websleuths:

“Seems like the court in Braunschweig had enough time to examine the files from the latest charges. After it issued the arrest warrant it seems to be very likely, that the court is going to open the trial against CB as well”.

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/madeleine-maddie-mccann-haftbefehl-gegen-christian-b-wegen-weiterer-sexualstraftaten-erlassen-a-73e3e5f9-5a57-4a38-978d-5e49816676be

The Braunschweig court has said a decision on whether to send the case to trial — a necessary step in the German legal process — is still pending. Due to its calendar of other cases, the opening of any trial cannot be expected before next year, it said.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/new-arrest-warrant-issued-mccann-suspect-cases-94097977
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on November 28, 2022, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on November 28, 2022, 08:07:02 PM
The Braunschweig court has said a decision on whether to send the case to trial — a necessary step in the German legal process — is still pending. Due to its calendar of other cases, the opening of any trial cannot be expected before next year, it said.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/new-arrest-warrant-issued-mccann-suspect-cases-94097977
A formality, I think.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on November 28, 2022, 09:22:54 PM
They now need to extradite him, thought that legal obstacle had already been dealt with.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 31, 2022, 08:42:53 AM
STOP PRESS!...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11587185/German-police-preparing-charge-Christian-Brueckner-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11587185/German-police-preparing-charge-Christian-Brueckner-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 31, 2022, 08:55:38 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20902616/madeleine-mccann-no-christmas-message/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 31, 2022, 08:59:09 AM
The implication the Sun seem to be making is that the lack of a Christmas message this year means the McCanns have finally accepted that Madeleine is dead and that CB is likely responsible.  That’s the impression I got from their article anyway, no doubt impressions will vary, with the most ardent sceptic interpreting it as either utter ingratitude on the McCanns’ part towards their supporters  or terror that they know the police are finally on to them.  Personally I think my interpretation is the most plausible and likely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 31, 2022, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: Myster on December 31, 2022, 08:42:53 AM
STOP PRESS!...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11587185/German-police-preparing-charge-Christian-Brueckner-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11587185/German-police-preparing-charge-Christian-Brueckner-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html)

Yeah the Sun says he "could" be with in the next twelve months, we'll still be having the same headlines then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 31, 2022, 09:46:21 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 31, 2022, 08:59:09 AM
The implication the Sun seem to be making is that the lack of a Christmas message this year means the McCanns have finally accepted that Madeleine is dead and that CB is likely responsible.  That’s the impression I got from their article anyway, no doubt impressions will vary, with the most ardent sceptic interpreting it as either utter ingratitude on the McCanns’ part towards their supporters  or terror that they know the police are finally on to them.  Personally I think my interpretation is the most plausible and likely.

Truth be told the poor girl was dead before the world knew her name.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 31, 2022, 08:59:09 AM
The implication the Sun seem to be making is that the lack of a Christmas message this year means the McCanns have finally accepted that Madeleine is dead and that CB is likely responsible.  That’s the impression I got from their article anyway, no doubt impressions will vary, with the most ardent sceptic interpreting it as either utter ingratitude on the McCanns’ part towards their supporters  or terror that they know the police are finally on to them.  Personally I think my interpretation is the most plausible and likely.

But their terror of being found out will no doubt be the most interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 31, 2022, 09:57:35 AM
Why is there a high level meeting in Wisebaden when its known he (CB) is being handled by the Braunschweig prosecutor, as usual its an embellishment of tittle tattle for click bait, nice way to round the year off with nonsense.

Mark Rowley now commissioner of the MET said in 2017: "There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are  nonsense".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 31, 2022, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 09:47:48 AM
But their terror of being found out will no doubt be the most interesting.
Indeed, it will be the scoop of the century when it’s finally revealed the McCanns have been charged with Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 31, 2022, 10:37:07 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 31, 2022, 09:46:21 AM
Truth be told the poor girl was dead before the world knew her name.
You know that for a fact do you?  Have you shared your information with the authorities?  Maybe you’re the concrete evidence HCW was referring to - who’da thunk it?!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 31, 2022, 10:47:24 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 31, 2022, 10:37:07 AM
You know that for a fact do you?  Have you shared your information with the authorities?  Maybe you’re the concrete evidence HCW was referring to - who’da thunk it?!

So you don't believe the BKA then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 31, 2022, 10:35:27 AM
Indeed, it will be the scoop of the century when it’s finally revealed the McCanns have been charged with Madeleine’s disappearance.

And there was me thinking it was Murder.  Nothing less will do, you know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 10:54:22 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 31, 2022, 10:47:24 AM
So you don't believe the BKA then.

One is not required to believe The BKA.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 31, 2022, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 10:54:22 AM
One is not required to believe The BKA.

That means you question the evidence they claim then ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 10:59:54 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 31, 2022, 10:56:40 AM
That means you question the evidence they claim then ?

Innocent Until Proven Guilty and I am sticking with that.

Such a pity that The McCanns aren't afforded the same courtesy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 31, 2022, 11:23:01 AM
Quote from: barrier on December 31, 2022, 10:47:24 AM
So you don't believe the BKA then.
You’re as sharp as week old trifle aren’t you?  How did you arrive at that conclusion from what I wrote??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 31, 2022, 11:23:01 AM
You’re as sharp as week old trifle aren’t you?  How did you arrive at that conclusion from what I wrote??

It is just aggravation, VS.  A misguided attempt to elicit a reply which might favour Barrier's opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 31, 2022, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 11:43:19 AM
It is just aggravation, VS.  A misguided attempt to elicit a reply which might favour Barrier's opinion.

I stand alone, I elicit no one to fear or favour my opinion. Happy new year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 31, 2022, 12:13:57 PM
I stand alone, I elicit no one to fear or favour my opinion. Happy new year.

So why ask for the opinions of others?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 31, 2022, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 12:41:10 PM
So why ask for the opinions of others?

If you bother to actually read the threads you will see I ask not of others opinions, they are immaterial, the immaterial has become the immaterial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 31, 2022, 12:55:09 PM
If you bother to actually read the threads you will see I ask not of others opinions, they are immaterial, the immaterial has become the immaterial.

You might do well to take your own advice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 31, 2022, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 31, 2022, 09:57:35 AM
Why is there a high level meeting in Wisebaden when its known he (CB) is being handled by the Braunschweig prosecutor, as usual its an embellishment of tittle tattle for click bait, nice way to round the year off with nonsense.

Mark Rowley now commissioner of the MET said in 2017: "There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are  nonsense".

The BKA headquarters is in Wiesbaden.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 04:36:55 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 31, 2022, 03:35:34 PM
The BKA headquarters is in Wiesbaden.

Good one.

Ignorance is often prevalent among Sceptics who largely came late to the game.  Probably looking for a punch up when most of them have no real knowledge of the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 31, 2022, 05:10:01 PM
Sceptic-in-chief not getting all his own way...

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1609092693988200449?cxt=HHwWgsC-vfTR0tQsAAAA (https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1609092693988200449?cxt=HHwWgsC-vfTR0tQsAAAA)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 05:14:33 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 31, 2022, 05:10:01 PM
Sceptic-in-chief not getting all his own way...

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1609092693988200449?cxt=HHwWgsC-vfTR0tQsAAAA (https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1609092693988200449?cxt=HHwWgsC-vfTR0tQsAAAA)

Has Mark Williams Thomas ever been right about anything?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on December 31, 2022, 05:20:41 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 05:14:33 PM
Has Mark Williams Thomas ever been right about anything?
Errrm... Pistorius?   Nah, scrub that.

Bamber?  Ditto... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5r2HisymfQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5r2HisymfQ)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 05:32:26 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 31, 2022, 05:20:41 PM
Errrm... Pistorius?   Nah, scrub that.

Bamber?  Ditto... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5r2HisymfQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5r2HisymfQ)

He is a Chancer.  And generally manages to bore me witless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 31, 2022, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 05:32:26 PM
He is a Chancer. And generally manages to bore me witless.

So not all bad then  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 31, 2022, 05:42:14 PM
Quote from: Myster on December 31, 2022, 05:10:01 PM
Sceptic-in-chief not getting all his own way...

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1609092693988200449?cxt=HHwWgsC-vfTR0tQsAAAA (https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1609092693988200449?cxt=HHwWgsC-vfTR0tQsAAAA)
The man appears to be under the impression that the BKA shared everything they've got with him - I wonder when that happened then...?  *%87

A.N.M
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Surely the public isn't privy to all of the evidence they have and if they did have what they need, they're not going to tell the public before they charge him with the crime.
Mark Williams-Thomas
@mwilliamsthomas
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That’s what I hoped was true - but now I know what they have as I showed in my programme
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harryrag
@harryrag
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Common sense 101: You don’t have access to the BKA’s evidence, so you’re not in a position to claim they don’t have evidence placing him at the crime scene.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 05:53:57 PM

Did he ever come up with The Cast Iron Alibi?  The Alibi that doesn't exist.  He  went awfully quiet suddenly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 31, 2022, 06:32:48 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 12:57:35 PM
You might do well to take your own advice.

Rock on Tommy, happy new year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 31, 2022, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: Anthro on December 31, 2022, 03:35:34 PM
The BKA headquarters is in Wiesbaden.

So ? the investigation into CB is being run from the Braunschweig office .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on December 31, 2022, 06:35:04 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 04:36:55 PM
Good one.

Ignorance is often prevalent among Sceptics who largely came late to the game.  Probably looking for a punch up when most of them have no real knowledge of the time.

Good of you to own up, I've nothing better to do tonight bar wind you up. are you game ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 31, 2022, 06:35:04 PM
Good of you to own up, I've nothing better to do tonight bar wind you up. are you game ?

Don't be silly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 31, 2022, 07:12:33 PM
I've got to admit to being bemused by the whole Brueckner thing and the rush to judgement with declarations of his innocence.

Usually such unequivocal support is the reserve of the nearest and dearest of the accused.

No civilian knew anything at all about Brueckner until we were introduced to him in December 2019 by Amaral who declared he was a 'patsy'.

I think it is unprecedented in a free society for the suspect accused of serious crimes, who is already in custody having been found guilty of equally serious crimes to be the recipient of such wholehearted support.  Which by definition has to be ill informed.

Had Brueckner not been the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance I doubt he would have received any notice let alone support. 

What is it about Madeleine McCann which causes such a polarisation in what is a classically straightforward set of circumstances Then justice follows its course without let or hindrance; except in this case which I find incomprehensible and bordering on the insane.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on December 31, 2022, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: barrier on December 31, 2022, 06:35:04 PM
Good of you to own up, I've nothing better to do tonight bar wind you up. are you game ?

Thank you for that comment, I shall treasure it.

Please make it your New Year Resolution to stop this silliness to which you are prone.

The forum is not your playground.  "wind ups" are out!  Bear it in mind.  TY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 07:35:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 31, 2022, 07:12:33 PM
I've got to admit to being bemused by the whole Brueckner thing and the rush to judgement with declarations of his innocence.

Usually such unequivocal support is the reserve of the nearest and dearest of the accused.

No civilian knew anything at all about Brueckner until we were introduced to him in December 2019 by Amaral who declared he was a 'patsy'.

I think it is unprecedented in a free society for the suspect accused of serious crimes, who is already in custody having been found guilty of equally serious crimes to be the recipient of such wholehearted support.  Which by definition has to be ill informed.

Had Brueckner not been the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance I doubt he would have received any notice let alone support. 

What is it about Madeleine McCann which causes such a polarisation in what is a classically straightforward set of circumstances
  • police investigate
  • police find evidence
  • police confirm a suspect
Then justice follows its course without let or hindrance; except in this case which I find incomprehensible and bordering on the insane.

Justice has followed it's course, the final destination being that Brueckner is never being charged with anything relating to Maddie, & that's because he had absolutely no involvement whatsoever in Madeleine's disappearance.

That is justice, it's just that it happens not to be the verdict you'd prefer, that's all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 07:37:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 05:53:57 PM
Did he ever come up with The Cast Iron Alibi?  The Alibi that doesn't exist.  He  went awfully quiet suddenly.

You still haven't worked out that Brueckner doesn't even need one.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on December 31, 2022, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 07:35:21 PM
Justice has followed it's course, the final destination being that Brueckner is never being charged with anything relating to Maddie, & that's because he had absolutely no involvement whatsoever in Madeleine's disappearance.

That is justice, it's just that it happens not to be the verdict you'd prefer, that's all.

If that turns out to be the case then the German Prosecutor's Office have some serious questions to answer.

Happy New Year to everyone by the way   8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 31, 2022, 05:42:14 PM
The man appears to be under the impression that the BKA shared everything they've got with him - I wonder when that happened then...?  *%87

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Surely the public isn't privy to all of the evidence they have and if they did have what they need, they're not going to tell the public before they charge him with the crime.
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That’s what I hoped was true - but now I know what they have as I showed in my programme
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harryrag
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Common sense 101: You don’t have access to the BKA’s evidence, so you’re not in a position to claim they don’t have evidence placing him at the crime scene.

Who's the total numpty who thinks the BKA could have evidence placing Brueckner at the scene?

Well, add that evidence to the concrete evidence & it shouldn't be much longer now  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: John on December 31, 2022, 07:45:48 PM
If that turns out to be the case then the German Prosecutor's Office have some serious questions to answer.

Happy New Year to everyone by the way   8((()*/

To whom would they ever need to answer?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on December 31, 2022, 07:53:57 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 07:48:46 PM
To whom would they ever need to answer?

Only some bean counter I imagine, for wasting money.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 08:01:23 PM


Anyway, my wish for 2023 is that supporters finally wake up & realise Wolters 'evidence' against Brueckner will never be seeing the inside of a court room. But I've a suspicion we'll still be hearing about Brueckner's lack of alibi well into 2024 & beyond.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on December 31, 2022, 05:14:33 PM
Has Mark Williams Thomas ever been right about anything?

Don't you remember that time he said Brueckner was innocent?

Well, Brueckner is still innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 31, 2022, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: John on December 31, 2022, 07:45:48 PM
If that turns out to be the case then the German Prosecutor's Office have some serious questions to answer.

Happy New Year to everyone by the way   8((()*/
Happy New Year John - could you make it your NY resolution to banish the troll from the forum once and for all, pretty please...? 8)--))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 31, 2022, 08:47:34 PM
Happy New Year John - could you make it your NY resolution to banish the troll from the forum once and for all, pretty please...? 8)--))

No need. I'll be leaving the forum just as soon as Brueckner is charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on December 31, 2022, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 31, 2022, 08:47:34 PM
Happy New Year John - could you make it your NY resolution to banish the troll from the forum once and for all, pretty please...? 8)--))

If you ask nicely maybe John will banish everyone who has different opinions to yours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 31, 2022, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: Brietta on December 31, 2022, 07:21:17 PM
Thank you for that comment, I shall treasure it.

Please make it your New Year Resolution to stop this silliness to which you are prone.

The forum is not your playground.  "wind ups" are out!  Bear it in mind.  TY

And best to bear in mind that it is not your own personal fiefdom either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 31, 2022, 10:51:50 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 31, 2022, 10:07:57 PM
If you ask nicely maybe John will banish everyone who has different opinions to yours.
I don’t have a problem with people with different opinions, I have a problem with trolls who by their own admission are only posting to wind up supporters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 11:20:08 PM
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on December 31, 2022, 10:51:50 PM
I don’t have a problem with people with different opinions, I have a problem with trolls who by their own admission are only posting to wind up supporters.

Yet you all insist on feeding me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on December 31, 2022, 11:21:46 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on December 31, 2022, 10:07:57 PM
If you ask nicely maybe John will banish everyone who has different opinions to yours.

What I don’t understand is if supporters know that someone is trying to wind them up then why do they bite? Have they really got so little self-control?

Happy New Year G to you and your family x
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 31, 2022, 11:29:08 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on December 31, 2022, 11:21:46 PM
What I don’t understand is if supporters know that someone is trying to wind them up then why do they bite? Have they really got so little self-control?

Happy New Year G to you and your family x
I don’t bite.  I don’t read the troll, except when others reply to him.

Happy New Year Faithlilly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on December 31, 2022, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on December 31, 2022, 08:01:23 PM

Anyway, my wish for 2023 is that supporters finally wake up & realise Wolters 'evidence' against Brueckner will never be seeing the inside of a court room. But I've a suspicion we'll still be hearing about Brueckner's lack of alibi well into 2024 & beyond.
‘Anyway, my wish for 2023 is that supporters finally wake up & realise Wolters 'evidence' against Brueckner will never be seeing the inside of a court room’.
In my opinion, your 2023 wish is wishful thinking.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on December 31, 2022, 11:53:29 PM
My hope for 2023 is that this case is resolved once and for all, and that the culprit or culprits are found guilty and punished accordingly.  I am not however holding my breath.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 01, 2023, 12:17:55 AM
Happy New Year
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on January 16, 2023, 12:46:27 PM
https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/fall-maddie-wird-der-prozess-nach-magdeburg-verlegt-82541622.bild.html

Brueckner's lawyer attempted last September to get the cases moved to Magdeburg judicial authority based on CB's last abode. I presume the appeal was unsuccessful as Braunschweig district court subsequently laid 5 charges for crimes unrelated to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 16, 2023, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: misty on January 16, 2023, 12:46:27 PM
https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/fall-maddie-wird-der-prozess-nach-magdeburg-verlegt-82541622.bild.html

Brueckner's lawyer attempted last September to get the cases moved to Magdeburg judicial authority based on CB's last abode. I presume the appeal was unsuccessful as Braunschweig district court subsequently laid 5 charges for crimes unrelated to Madeleine.

The matter is not yet decided.

13/01/2023

"We are assuming that we are responsible, but are examining the circumstances communicated for the first time by the defense counsel, which are intended to establish a different local jurisdiction," said prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

The district court of Braunschweig refers to the ongoing examination and does not comment. According to BILD information from legal circles, however, the regional court tends to be willing to follow the arguments of the defense attorney.
https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/fall-maddie-wird-der-prozess-nach-magdeburg-verlegt-82541622.bild.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 16, 2023, 01:35:21 PM
Would a different court imply a different prosecutor ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 16, 2023, 01:46:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 16, 2023, 01:28:00 PM
The matter is not yet decided.

13/01/2023

"We are assuming that we are responsible, but are examining the circumstances communicated for the first time by the defense counsel, which are intended to establish a different local jurisdiction," said prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

The district court of Braunschweig refers to the ongoing examination and does not comment. According to BILD information from legal circles, however, the regional court tends to be willing to follow the arguments of the defense attorney.
https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/fall-maddie-wird-der-prozess-nach-magdeburg-verlegt-82541622.bild.html

It goes onto say, from which is it implying an unfair trial if it stays in Braunschweig .

So something new in Magdeburg?

A possible advantage for the accused: The responsible public prosecutors in Braunschweig are deep in the accused cases as well as in the case of Maddie. In Magdeburg or Frankfurt, the public prosecutor's office and the court would have to familiarize themselves with the matter from scratch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 16, 2023, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 16, 2023, 01:46:28 PM
It goes onto say, from which is it implying an unfair trial if it stays in Braunschweig .

So something new in Magdeburg?

A possible advantage for the accused: The responsible public prosecutors in Braunschweig are deep in the accused cases as well as in the case of Maddie. In Magdeburg or Frankfurt, the public prosecutor's office and the court would have to familiarize themselves with the matter from scratch.
How have you arrived at your interpretation from what you have quoted?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on January 16, 2023, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 16, 2023, 01:46:28 PM
It goes onto say, from which is it implying an unfair trial if it stays in Braunschweig .

So something new in Magdeburg?

A possible advantage for the accused: The responsible public prosecutors in Braunschweig are deep in the accused cases as well as in the case of Maddie. In Magdeburg or Frankfurt, the public prosecutor's office and the court would have to familiarize themselves with the matter from scratch.

And would that be fair to all the known victims?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 16, 2023, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 16, 2023, 01:35:21 PM
Would a different court imply a different prosecutor ?

Yes, it's a different state.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 16, 2023, 02:29:48 PM
Quote from: misty on January 16, 2023, 01:51:38 PM
And would that be fair to all the known victims?

Don't see why it shouldn't be.

Fresh set of eye re-assessing the evidence is never a bad thing  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on January 16, 2023, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 16, 2023, 02:29:48 PM
Don't see why it shouldn't be.

Fresh set of eye re-assessing the evidence is never a bad thing  IMO

The judge in Braunschweig has already decided there is enough evidence against Brueckner to charge him with the 5 cases unrelated to Madeleine. The police investigators have had contact with the known victims. What sort of message does it send to the victims and the wider public if fresh eyes are needed because the BKA may have got it all wrong?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 16, 2023, 03:15:04 PM
Quote from: misty on January 16, 2023, 03:07:36 PM
The judge in Braunschweig has already decided there is enough evidence against Brueckner to charge him with the 5 cases unrelated to Madeleine. The police investigators have had contact with the known victims. What sort of message does it send to the victims and the wider public if fresh eyes are needed because the BKA may have got it all wrong?

That there won't be a miscarriage of justice ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 16, 2023, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: misty on January 16, 2023, 03:07:36 PM
The judge in Braunschweig has already decided there is enough evidence against Brueckner to charge him with the 5 cases unrelated to Madeleine. The police investigators have had contact with the known victims. What sort of message does it send to the victims and the wider public if fresh eyes are needed because the BKA may have got it all wrong?

In my view it would send the message that the case was being thoroughly investigated .
Sort of peer review to ensure justice was being done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 16, 2023, 04:38:20 PM
Quote from: misty on January 16, 2023, 03:07:36 PM
The judge in Braunschweig has already decided there is enough evidence against Brueckner to charge him with the 5 cases unrelated to Madeleine. The police investigators have had contact with the known victims. What sort of message does it send to the victims and the wider public if fresh eyes are needed because the BKA may have got it all wrong?

There is nothing to suggest that is the case.
A  different court would be need to familiarise themselves with the evidence available before proceeding to a prosecution
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 16, 2023, 04:46:48 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 16, 2023, 02:29:48 PM
Don't see why it shouldn't be.

Fresh set of eye re-assessing the evidence is never a bad thing  IMO
unless it’s the Met re-assessing the evidence in the McCann case.  Then it’s a very,very bad thing.  Innit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 17, 2023, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 16, 2023, 01:28:00 PM
The matter is not yet decided.

13/01/2023

"We are assuming that we are responsible, but are examining the circumstances communicated for the first time by the defense counsel, which are intended to establish a different local jurisdiction," said prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

The district court of Braunschweig refers to the ongoing examination and does not comment. According to BILD information from legal circles, however, the regional court tends to be willing to follow the arguments of the defense attorney.
https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/fall-maddie-wird-der-prozess-nach-magdeburg-verlegt-82541622.bild.html

I think this was an update, whats going on ? caveat  it is the press .

It would be questionable how soon the rape proceedings could then be opened. And if at all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 17, 2023, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 17, 2023, 11:26:49 AM
I think this was an update, whats going on ? caveat  it is the press .

It would be questionable how soon the rape proceedings could then be opened. And if at all.

It would take some time for new prosecutors to become familiar with the details of the case, apparently. They could then decide they didn't want to proceed, I suppose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 17, 2023, 11:26:49 AM
I think this was an update, whats going on ? caveat  it is the press .

It would be questionable how soon the rape proceedings could then be opened. And if at all.

Just Brueckner's lawyer using a procedural tactic on behalf of his client, based I think on grounds of last German residency which brings to mind if memory serves me well, that when constituted arguido in Madeleine's case Brueckner expressed a preference for being tried in Portugal.

At the least should the grounds arguing for a change of venue be accepted it will mean a delay in a fresh team of prosecutors being brought up to speed.

It might work to that advantage and I think is proof that Brueckner's lawyer is a player with a well thought out strategy.

Apparently another venue which could be proposed is Frankfurt am Main.  So it will just be a time of waiting to see what the German authorities decide.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 17, 2023, 12:29:07 PM

It would be frightully interesting if Portugal gets to Charge and Try Brueckner.  But on what Charges and when?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 17, 2023, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 17, 2023, 12:29:07 PM
It would be frightully interesting if Portugal gets to Charge and Try Brueckner.  But on what Charges and when?

Probably outside statute of limitation by now
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 17, 2023, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 17, 2023, 12:32:37 PM
Probably outside statute of limitation by now

So no chance for Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 17, 2023, 12:46:36 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 17, 2023, 12:32:37 PM
Probably outside statute of limitation by now

Not for Brueckner it isn't. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 17, 2023, 12:48:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 17, 2023, 12:43:23 PM
So no chance for Portugal.

Might depend on the charge. I've no expertise in this area, but the law (of all countries) can be quite fickle
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 17, 2023, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 17, 2023, 12:43:23 PM
So no chance for Portugal.

I think there is every chance.  And my, wouldn't that be a turn up for the book.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 17, 2023, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 17, 2023, 12:48:42 PM
Might depend on the charge. I've no expertise in this area, but the law (of all countries) can be quite fickle

The charges are for three rapes and two child abuse offences, aren't they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on January 17, 2023, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 17, 2023, 12:29:07 PM
It would be frightully interesting if Portugal gets to Charge and Try Brueckner.  But on what Charges and when?

That would be the worst possible scenario as he would be found not guilty. It may also scupper German chances of other convictions. IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 17, 2023, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: misty on January 17, 2023, 01:10:20 PM
That would be the worst possible scenario as he would be found not guilty. It may also scupper German chances of other convictions. IMO.

The precedent would be set should the Germans move the venue of Brueckner's trial on the residency issue.  I think it may actually have been a consideration when he was constituted arguido.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 17, 2023, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 17, 2023, 12:49:17 PM
I think there is every chance.  And my, wouldn't that be a turn up for the book.

But what about the offences Brueckner has already been charged with in Germany?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on January 17, 2023, 01:28:30 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 17, 2023, 01:15:58 PM
The precedent would be set should the Germans move the venue of Brueckner's trial on the residency issue.  I think it may actually have been a consideration when he was constituted arguido.

Portugal would have apply to Italy for the right to extradite Brueckner for the purpose of trying him for Madeleine's murder in Portugal. I think Germany would contest that and the case would end up in ECJ - again.
I don't think the venue will be changed in Germany as CB has already been tried & convicted once in Braunschweig court with no objection raised as to the court's authority based on residency. Furthermore, the additional 5 charges were laid by Braunschweig district court last October which was after Fulscher had raised the legal issue.
Finally, I think we would have heard by now, probably via Jon Clarke, that the victims (particularly Hazel) would be facing a further delay in proceedings. Such procedural issues would be sorted out far more quickly in Germany than we are used to seeing in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 17, 2023, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 17, 2023, 01:18:00 PM
But what about the offences Brueckner has already been charged with in Germany?


My opinion!

When the aggravated rape which Brueckner carried out in Praia da Luz was tried in Germany there was no association made with Madeleine McCann's abduction.

Because of the association made by the police of Brueckner's involvement all the big guns have been wheeled out and I think no more so than in his legal team - who I don't think are any old back street lawyers.
I think they are top notch.

It explains for me why Amaral plumbed the depths he did to ensure that Brueckner's name was introduced into the public domain in 2019.
As it was he miscalculated and the media didn't cotton on until 2020.  But job done anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 17, 2023, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: misty on January 17, 2023, 01:28:30 PM
Portugal would have apply to Italy for the right to extradite Brueckner for the purpose of trying him for Madeleine's murder in Portugal. I think Germany would contest that and the case would end up in ECJ - again.
I don't think the venue will be changed in Germany as CB has already been tried & convicted once in Braunschweig court with no objection raised as to the court's authority based on residency. Furthermore, the additional 5 charges were laid by Braunschweig district court last October which was after Fulscher had raised the legal issue.
Finally, I think we would have heard by now, probably via Jon Clarke, that the victims (particularly Hazel) would be facing a further delay in proceedings. Such procedural issues would be sorted out far more quickly in Germany than we are used to seeing in Portugal.

Barrier made the caveat about the print media.

As far as I can see Bild have given information from Brueckner's defence team as their source.  I think your synopsis sums up the situation, particularly that of the German expertise in clearing procedural issues unencumbered by dealing with foreign jurisdictions.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 28, 2023, 09:06:25 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11685921/Jailed-Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-complains-hes-treated-worse-Nazi-Joseph-Goebbels.html

Just for interest.  God knows we need a bit of that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2023, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 28, 2023, 09:06:25 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11685921/Jailed-Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-complains-hes-treated-worse-Nazi-Joseph-Goebbels.html

Just for interest.  God knows we need a bit of that.
Bless his cotton socks.  He might like to reflect on how his actions such as raping and torturing an old lady have shades of the Nazi atrocity to them.  I wonder if he's been denied a visit from his number one fan and penpal and that's what's aggrieved him so?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 28, 2023, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 28, 2023, 09:14:27 AM
Bless his cotton socks.  He might like to reflect on how his actions such as raping and torturing an old lady have shades of the Nazi atrocity to them.  I wonder if he's been denied a visit from his number one fan and penpal and that's what's aggrieved him so?

They had to put him in isolation, otherwise he would have been dead by now.  But no gratitude for saving his life.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 29, 2023, 06:54:01 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 28, 2023, 09:06:25 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11685921/Jailed-Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-complains-hes-treated-worse-Nazi-Joseph-Goebbels.html

Just for interest.  God knows we need a bit of that.

You don't honestly believe the crap ion the brit press, that story is a rehash of a supposed previous letter written by CB some time ago.

Spot the difference ?
March last year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-14-page-26534992

November last year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-rambling-prison-28461839

Now!

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-moans-joseph-29070557
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 29, 2023, 07:21:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 28, 2023, 09:06:25 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11685921/Jailed-Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-complains-hes-treated-worse-Nazi-Joseph-Goebbels.html

Just for interest.  God knows we need a bit of that.

Now either CB doesn't know his history or the writers of the article don't, Goebbels was never captured.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 29, 2023, 07:22:53 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 29, 2023, 06:54:01 PM
You don't honestly believe the crap ion the brit press, that story is a rehash of a supposed previous letter written by CB some time ago.

Spot the difference ?
March last year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-14-page-26534992

November last year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-rambling-prison-28461839

Now!

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-moans-joseph-29070557
I spotted the difference - this bit doesn’t feature in your first two links (do I win a prize?)

'Not even (Joseph) Goebbels and his war crime fiends were isolated like me when they waited for the death penalty in Nuremberg prison.

'It is against human rights to get isolated for such a long time... It is the right of prisoners to receive visitors – except for me.

'All I see is my lawyer and the guards, they say if anyone else visits me I will get sexual satisfaction.'“


————

Do you think CB  stopped writing moany letters to his fan club last year then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 29, 2023, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 29, 2023, 07:21:13 PM
Now either CB doesn't know his history or the writers of the article don't, Goebbels was never captured.
I doubt they got taught the ins and outs of all that in German history lessons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 29, 2023, 07:33:56 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 29, 2023, 07:22:53 PM
I spotted the difference - this bit doesn’t feature in your first two links (do I win a prize?)

'Not even (Joseph) Goebbels and his war crime fiends were isolated like me when they waited for the death penalty in Nuremberg prison.

'It is against human rights to get isolated for such a long time... It is the right of prisoners to receive visitors – except for me.

'All I see is my lawyer and the guards, they say if anyone else visits me I will get sexual satisfaction.'“


————

Do you think CB  stopped writing moany letters to his fan club last year then?

The last bit was an add on to grab the headline, pity they don't do their research, but why let the truth get in the way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 29, 2023, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: barrier on January 29, 2023, 07:33:56 PM
The last bit was an add on to grab the headline, pity they don't do their research, but why let the truth get in the way.
Oh I see.  You know for a fact that this bit about Goebbels was invented by a thick Mirror journo and CB no longer writes letters moaning about his lot.  Thanks for your insight.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on January 30, 2023, 09:38:26 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 29, 2023, 07:58:39 PM
Oh I see.  You know for a fact that this bit about Goebbels was invented by a thick Mirror journo and CB no longer writes letters moaning about his lot.  Thanks for your insight.
Wood for the trees .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2023, 09:59:43 AM

Goebbels committed suicide in 1945.  Is this a threat by Brueckner?  If so then no wonder he is in isolation.  But I can't quite bring myself to feel sorry for him despite some mental aberration which he appears to have suffered from for a very long time.

Does he need to be confined to a Mental Institution?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2023, 10:49:47 AM
Quote from: barrier on January 30, 2023, 09:38:26 AM
Wood for the trees .
It's all very well claiming something as fact but until you can actually provide evidence of your claim it simply remains your opinion.  In my opinion it's likely that CB (who seems to enjoy press attention and writing letters) is still composing "pity me, pity me" missives and sending them to receptive and sympathetic penpals on the outside.  Lord knows he hasn't got much else to do with his time and if his letters sound a bit samey it's probably because his days are hardly filled with fun, variety and excitement.  He's also a bit thick remember?  The General was always telling us so, and therefore he probably wasn't aware that Goebbels never made it to the Nuremberg Trials.  Still believe what you want, it matters not a jot to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2023, 11:18:10 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2023, 10:49:47 AM
It's all very well claiming something as fact but until you can actually provide evidence of your claim it simply remains your opinion.  In my opinion it's likely that CB (who seems to enjoy press attention and writing letters) is still composing "pity me, pity me" missives and sending them to receptive and sympathetic penpals on the outside.  Lord knows he hasn't got much else to do with his time and if his letters sound a bit samey it's probably because his days are hardly filled with fun, variety and excitement.  He's also a bit thick remember?  The General was always telling us so, and therefore he probably wasn't aware that Goebbels never made it to the Nuremberg Trials.  Still believe what you want, it matters not a jot to me.

I do have to wonder about Brueckner's ignorance about what happened in Germany at the end of The War.  What is Brueckner trying to say about himself?  Other than that he is raving mad.  And I will go along with that.

Personally, I think he is looking for a cushy time in a Lunatic Asylum because he knows that he is done for.  But that's okay.  But he never was stupid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2023, 12:31:00 PM

Well, he likes dressing up in women's clothes. Maybe he should think about transitioning. He could serve his sentences in a women's prison. That seems to be common occurrence now. Yes, I think I'll be recommending this to him in my next fan letter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2023, 01:26:36 PM

Now there's a thought.  Force him to have the chop.  That should sort it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2023, 03:11:08 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 30, 2023, 01:26:36 PM
Now there's a thought.  Force him to have the chop.  That should sort it.
Oh, you are norty Elli, but I like you.

No I wouldn't wish that on him, but ..........
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2023, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 30, 2023, 01:26:36 PM
Now there's a thought.  Force him to have the chop. That should sort it.

What would it sort ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2023, 03:16:27 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2023, 12:31:00 PM
Well, he likes dressing up in women's clothes. Maybe he should think about transitioning. He could serve his sentences in a women's prison. That seems to be common occurrence now. Yes, I think I'll be recommending this to him in my next fan letter.

Dressing up in womens clothes?   I never knew that.   Do you have a cite for that please WS ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2023, 05:17:09 PM
Quote from: sadie on January 30, 2023, 03:16:27 PM
Dressing up in womens clothes?   I never knew that.   Do you have a cite for that please WS ?

“I had gone to bed around 1am, and was awoken by someone calling my name."

“I turned on to my back and standing there was a masked man dressed in tights and what resembled a leotard, a machete around 12in long in his hand."

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/im-delighted-see-justice-irishwoman-28214569
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2023, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2023, 03:11:25 PM
What would it sort ?
His ability to stick his genitals where they’re not wanted, presumably.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2023, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2023, 05:17:09 PM
“I had gone to bed around 1am, and was awoken by someone calling my name."

“I turned on to my back and standing there was a masked man dressed in tights and what resembled a leotard, a machete around 12in long in his hand."

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/im-delighted-see-justice-irishwoman-28214569

Tights and a leotard don't sound like easy-access garments when intending rape.

Brings that Tommy Steele song to mind - Tights all torn and his rapier bent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 30, 2023, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2023, 05:17:22 PM
His ability to stick his genitals where they’re not wanted, presumably.

There's a lot of it about. Aren't our own Met police having problems with police officers who have trouble understanding those boundaries?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2023, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 30, 2023, 08:50:35 PM
There's a lot of it about. Aren't our own Met police having problems with police officers who have trouble understanding those boundaries?
Ooh, nothing like a nice bit of whataboutery to try and score some sort of cheap point.  Yes, the Met is full of rapists therefore they must be wrong about stranger abduction.   (&^&.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2023, 09:38:28 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 30, 2023, 08:50:35 PM
There's a lot of it about. Aren't our own Met police having problems with police officers who have trouble understanding those boundaries?

Not just the Met judging by this article - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-officers-crime-offences-dismiss-b2269024.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 30, 2023, 10:13:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on January 30, 2023, 09:38:28 PM
Not just the Met judging by this article - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-officers-crime-offences-dismiss-b2269024.html

It's a complete mess isn't it? There is, of course, the belief that police officers and criminals are similar types of people, just on different sides.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/inside-the-criminal-mind/201302/criminals-who-become-cops
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 30, 2023, 10:41:14 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 30, 2023, 10:13:39 PM
It's a complete mess isn't it? There is, of course, the belief that police officers and criminals are similar types of people, just on different sides.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/inside-the-criminal-mind/201302/criminals-who-become-cops
At least we live in a country where these issues can be reported on and addressed.  Now do these cases negate and undo all the investigative policework previously and currently being carried out by UK police on unsolved crimes?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 12:48:43 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 30, 2023, 08:50:35 PM
There's a lot of it about. Aren't our own Met police having problems with police officers who have trouble understanding those boundaries?

Sigh...back to the Met again ... in what way do you think this of relevance to the prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 01:07:52 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 30, 2023, 10:13:39 PM
It's a complete mess isn't it? There is, of course, the belief that police officers and criminals are similar types of people, just on different sides.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/inside-the-criminal-mind/201302/criminals-who-become-cops

Sigh...back to Amaral again ... I often suspect you really do not read the links you provide and this is a case in point, as well as being Off Topic into the bargain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2023, 07:28:17 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 01:07:52 AM
Sigh...back to Amaral again ... I often suspect you really do not read the links you provide and this is a case in point, as well as being Off Topic into the bargain.

More like cherry picking.  And hoping the rest of us won't read them.  Read The Links, Folks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 10:36:17 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 01:07:52 AM
Sigh...back to Amaral again ... I often suspect you really do not read the links you provide and this is a case in point, as well as being Off Topic into the bargain.

I thought sexual misconduct by those who are employed to detect it and bring the perps to justice was very relevant myself. It's not helpful if they're no better than those perps, is it?

"PC Sam Grigg, of the Metropolitan Police, was sacked on Monday for discreditable conduct.

He pleaded guilty to false imprisonment and actual bodily harm at Kingston Crown Court earlier this month and will be sentenced on 10 February.

A Metropolitan Police listing for the hearing read: “On 2 December 2022, whilst off duty, PC Grigg unlawfully imprisoned and detained a female against her will. He used tape to restrain her wrists, ankles and covered her mouth with tape. After leaving her restrained for a short period of time he cut her free using a knife, cutting her in the process.”"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-officers-crime-offences-dismiss-b2269024.html

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 10:55:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 10:36:17 AM
I thought sexual misconduct by those who are employed to detect it and bring the perps to justice was very relevant myself. It's not helpful if they're no better than those perps, is it?

"PC Sam Grigg, of the Metropolitan Police, was sacked on Monday for discreditable conduct.

He pleaded guilty to false imprisonment and actual bodily harm at Kingston Crown Court earlier this month and will be sentenced on 10 February.

A Metropolitan Police listing for the hearing read: “On 2 December 2022, whilst off duty, PC Grigg unlawfully imprisoned and detained a female against her will. He used tape to restrain her wrists, ankles and covered her mouth with tape. After leaving her restrained for a short period of time he cut her free using a knife, cutting her in the process.”"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-officers-crime-offences-dismiss-b2269024.html

This is the Madeleine McCann board.

The topic of this thread is ~ "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance."

Your post reflects that in what way?

My opinion - off topic posts such as this disrespect fellow members who are all expected to subscribe to forum protocols, which apparently you consider are not applicable to you.  You have clearly lost the plot again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 10:36:17 AM
I thought sexual misconduct by those who are employed to detect it and bring the perps to justice was very relevant myself. It's not helpful if they're no better than those perps, is it?

"PC Sam Grigg, of the Metropolitan Police, was sacked on Monday for discreditable conduct.

He pleaded guilty to false imprisonment and actual bodily harm at Kingston Crown Court earlier this month and will be sentenced on 10 February.

A Metropolitan Police listing for the hearing read: “On 2 December 2022, whilst off duty, PC Grigg unlawfully imprisoned and detained a female against her will. He used tape to restrain her wrists, ankles and covered her mouth with tape. After leaving her restrained for a short period of time he cut her free using a knife, cutting her in the process.”"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-officers-crime-offences-dismiss-b2269024.html
Do these cases negate and undo all the investigative policework previously and currently being carried out by UK police on unsolved crimes?  My son's school sacked two teachers over the course of his education for sexual crimes against children.  Does that mean he didn't receive a decent education from the overwhelming number of teachers who weren't paedophiles? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 10:55:00 AM
This is the Madeleine McCann board.

The topic of this thread is ~ "New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance."

Your post reflects that in what way?

My opinion - off topic posts such as this disrespect fellow members who are all expected to subscribe to forum protocols, which apparently you consider are not applicable to you.  You have clearly lost the plot again.

It's a well known fact that we will never agree what is and isn't relevant or what is and isn't on topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 11:34:00 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 11:29:50 AM
It's a well known fact that we will never agree what is and isn't relevant or what is and isn't on topic.
Met officer crimes are not remotely relevant to the German investigation into Christian Bruckner, that is a fact. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 11:34:00 AM
Met officer crimes are not remotely relevant to the German investigation into Christian Bruckner, that is a fact.

So he's not the Met's prime suspect now, and they're not investigating him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 11:57:31 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 11:29:50 AM
It's a well known fact that we will never agree what is and isn't relevant or what is and isn't on topic.

In a way it is refreshing that there is so little up to date media tittle tattle about Christian Brueckner in either the German press or the English speaking press.

I think that is exactly as it should be bearing in mind that there are active criminal cases in the German justice system.  Concerning which Christian Brueckner has been indicted for some very serious crimes.

Neither what you think - or what I think - will ever have the slightest bearing on the real world criminality of Christian Brueckner whether alleged or already proven in the courts.

I think it behoves you to bear in mind your locus as a contributor to an internet forum on which the owner allows the representation of all views on a variety of subjects.
All the forum owner asks is for members to post with respect and within the very few hard and fast rules there are.  One of which is "posting on topic" and if as you profess you are having difficulty doing that, my opinion is that you have a serious problem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 11:46:38 AM
So he's not the Met's prime suspect now, and they're not investigating him?
You tell me.  What have they said wrt to Christian Bruckner?  How have Met crimes impacted on the German investigation? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 11:22:19 AM
Do these cases negate and undo all the investigative policework previously and currently being carried out by UK police on unsolved crimes?  My son's school sacked two teachers over the course of his education for sexual crimes against children.  Does that mean he didn't receive a decent education from the overwhelming number of teachers who weren't paedophiles?
@ G-unit - So you can edit my post but you can't bring yourself to actually answer it.  LOL. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 11:34:00 AM
Met officer crimes are not remotely relevant to the German investigation into Christian Bruckner, that is a fact.

I know. What if these people are investigating him? With two of them every week appearing in court every week for similar types of crime as he has been convicted of?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 12:27:46 PM
@ G-unit - So you can edit my post but you can't bring yourself to actually answer it.  LOL.

I don't know the answers to your interminable questions. All I know is that placing one's faith in the excellence of SY is a gamble these days. So we're left relying on the Germans to charge CB and they seem no nearer to connecting him to Madeleine McCann's disappearance than they were when they started their investigations.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 01:11:49 PM
I don't know the answers to your interminable questions. All I know is that placing one's faith in the excellence of SY is a gamble these days. So we're left relying on the Germans to charge CB and they seem no nearer to connecting him to Madeleine McCann's disappearance than they were when they started their investigations.
I’m not placing my faith in anything or relying on anyone for anything much, but if I had to put money on either the Germans and/or the Met to solve this case or a bunch of internet detectives without any professional expertise or without full access to the facts (and some of them might be rapists and paedos too for all we know) then my money would be on the former.  Where would you like to place your faith and reliance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2023, 01:51:45 PM

Best I don't mention Amaral threatening to abduct his ex girlfriend's daughter and to shoot her husband then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on January 31, 2023, 02:04:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 31, 2023, 01:51:45 PM
Best I don't mention Amaral threatening to abduct his ex girlfriend's daughter and to shoot her husband then.

Quite right, as it seems unrelated to Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 01:11:49 PM
I don't know the answers to your interminable questions. All I know is that placing one's faith in the excellence of SY is a gamble these days. So we're left relying on the Germans to charge CB and they seem no nearer to connecting him to Madeleine McCann's disappearance than they were when they started their investigations.

What is to be hoped for is that Brueckner will be subject to due process for the serious crimes of which he is currently indicted, irrespective of how many procedural spanners his legal team throws into the works.

Till that process has been concluded we internet sleuths will just have to bide our time until investigators decide what further steps are applicable.

In the intervening time it is worth pondering on the thought that the BKA have intimate knowledge of the evidence they hold regarding Brueckner to which neither he, his legal team, the media or internet posters have access.

Let's just wait and see what that is shall we.  Inclusive of the fact that no-one has so far had cause to 'fall off their chair' another thing of which we we can be certain, is that it won't consist of his alleged alibi evidence.  As far as the rest of it goes, I would not be as confident as you are when you speculate they are no further forward than "they were when they started their investigations." that you are anywhere near the truth.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2023, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 02:09:31 PM
What is to be hoped for is that Brueckner will be subject to due process for the serious crimes of which he is currently indicted, irrespective of how many procedural spanners his legal team throws into the works.

Till that process has been concluded we internet sleuths will just have to bide our time until investigators decide what further steps are applicable.

In the intervening time it is worth pondering on the thought that the BKA have intimate knowledge of the evidence they hold regarding Brueckner to which neither he, his legal team, the media or internet posters have access.

Let's just wait and see what that is shall we. Inclusive of the fact that no-one has so far had cause to 'fall off their chair' another thing of which we we can be certain, is that it won't consist of his alleged alibi evidence.  As far as the rest of it goes, I would not be as confident as you are when you speculate they are no further forward than "they were when they started their investigations." that you are anywhere near the truth.

We already know there's nothing physical against CB. No DNA or forensics. That leaves circumstantial.
Any number of the possibilities I've previously suggested on 'The evidence Against CB' thread.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=ik34g896lj1vohcaoe7v13mgi0&topic=12474.0

So it's incorrect to say we have no idea what the police have. We have plenty of indication they have b....r all of any real significance, hence the reason Brueckner will never be charged with anything relating to Madeleine's disappearance, and no, he doesn't actually need an alibi for anything, because the three expert investigative forces are unable to prove TMWTIACABAS in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 03:36:43 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 01:48:07 PM
I’m not placing my faith in anything or relying on anyone for anything much, but if I had to put money on either the Germans and/or the Met to solve this case or a bunch of internet detectives without any professional expertise or without full access to the facts (and some of them might be rapists and paedos too for all we know) then my money would be on the former.  Where would you like to place your faith and reliance?

I don't see any need to place my faith in or reliance on anyone. I never have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 03:43:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 03:36:43 PM
I don't see any need to place my faith in or reliance on anyone. I never have.
So when someone dear to you goes missing in mysterious circumstances you won't bother to phone those rapey old policemen I guess.  Good luck!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2023, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 03:36:43 PM
I don't see any need to place my faith in or reliance on anyone. I never have.

Hence Miscarriages of Justice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 05:51:37 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2023, 02:31:00 PM
We already know there's nothing physical against CB. No DNA or forensics. That leaves circumstantial.
Any number of the possibilities I've previously suggested on 'The evidence Against CB' thread.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=ik34g896lj1vohcaoe7v13mgi0&topic=12474.0

So it's incorrect to say we have no idea what the police have. We have plenty of indication they have b....r all of any real significance, hence the reason Brueckner will never be charged with anything relating to Madeleine's disappearance, and no, he doesn't actually need an alibi for anything, because the three expert investigative forces are unable to prove TMWTIACABAS in the first place.

You know nothing.

In particular you know nothing about the evidence held by the BKA featuring Brueckner and what it does or doesn't say about Brueckner's involvement in Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

All that is for the the due process of the law to decide.  I am afraid self confessed internet Wind Up Merchants have absolutely no place in that process.

You know this.  And I fear that knowledge is sufficient to upset your equilibrium somewhat ~ the proof of which is always a pleasure to behold as reflected in the ordure you insist on posting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 03:43:04 PM
So when someone dear to you goes missing in mysterious circumstances you won't bother to phone those rapey old policemen I guess.  Good luck!

Does that involve having faith in or relying on them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 06:56:15 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 06:40:25 PM
Does that involve having faith in or relying on them?
Of course it does.  Why would you call on them if you had no faith in their ability to find your loved one?Why would you seek assistance  from them if you wouldn’t rely on them to perform the duties they are employed to carry out? We all rely on numerous professionals in all walks of life - doctors, nurses, teachers, fire fighters, paramedics, delivery drivers, postmen  - all of these professions have evil members amongst their ranks, it doesn’t mean they are all entirely unreliable. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 06:56:15 PM
Of course it does.  Why would you call on them if you had no faith in their ability to find your loved one?Why would you seek assistance  from them if you wouldn’t rely on them to perform the duties they are employed to carry out? We all rely on numerous professionals in all walks of life - doctors, nurses, teachers, fire fighters, paramedics, delivery drivers, postmen  - all of these professions have evil members amongst their ranks, it doesn’t mean they are all entirely unreliable.

I don't see the need to use the word 'rely', I prefer 'use'.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 07:14:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 07:11:56 PM
I don't see the need to use the word 'rely', I prefer 'use'.
Oh, right, semantics again. So you use a teacher to educate your kids but you don’t rely on them to do so.  You use a surgeon for your open heart surgery but you don’t rely on them to know what they are doing to treat you effectively.  You use a firefighter when your house goes up in flames but you have no faith in their ability to do so effectively and therefore don’t rely on them to do a good job.  Yeah, whatever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 07:42:17 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 07:14:55 PM
Oh, right, semantics again. So you use a teacher to educate your kids but you don’t rely on them to do so.  You use a surgeon for your open heart surgery but you don’t rely on them to know what they are doing to treat you effectively.  You use a firefighter when your house goes up in flames but you have no faith in their ability to do so effectively and therefore don’t rely on them to do a good job.  Yeah, whatever.

Try not using emotive language including words such as faith and rely.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 31, 2023, 08:15:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on January 31, 2023, 07:42:17 PM
Try not using emotive language including words such as faith and rely.
What a cheek!  It was YOU who introduced those words to the discussion in the first place.  And hey, try not telling me what words I may and may not use.  Faith and Rely are perfectly acceptable words to use and if I want to use them I shall.

For example:  I can always rely on you to deflect and dissemble  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2023, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: Brietta on January 31, 2023, 05:51:37 PM
You know nothing.

In particular you know nothing about the evidence held by the BKA featuring Brueckner and what it does or doesn't say about Brueckner's involvement in Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

All that is for the the due process of the law to decide.  I am afraid self confessed internet Wind Up Merchants have absolutely no place in that process.

You know this.  And I fear that knowledge is sufficient to upset your equilibrium somewhat ~ the proof of which is always a pleasure to behold as reflected in the ordure you insist on posting.

No, you're quite wrong. I know, by Wolters admission, that they have no DNA or forensics.
The 'evidence' against CB is limited to a number of possibilities, which I have previously listed on the evidence against CB thread. The best example of possible evidence suggested by your compatriots was CB's confession to Busching.
Due process has already happened, Wolters has nothing of genuine substance against CB, hence the reason he still hasn't been charged, & won't be getting charged with anything related to Maddie, any time in the forseeable future. That's how concrete the concrete evidence against him is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2023, 08:38:44 AM

Just lock up Brueckner on what they can prove, for the time being.  They have witnesses and a Police Arrest in the Child Sexual Abuse Cases.  That should get him ten more years off the streets of Europe.

Meanwhile, sadly Madeleine will have to wait.  But the disappearance of one small girl has resulted in the exposure of a corrupt Police Force in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2023, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 01, 2023, 08:38:44 AM
Just lock up Brueckner on what they can prove, for the time being.  They have witnesses and a Police Arrest in the Child Sexual Abuse Cases.  That should get him ten more years off the streets of Europe.

Meanwhile, sadly Madeleine will have to wait.  But the disappearance of one small girl has resulted in the exposure of a corrupt Police Force in Portugal.

Until it comes to trial, nothing is proved. We know the charges, but not how strong the evidence is, or what defence might be put forward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 01, 2023, 09:29:42 AM
Until it comes to trial, nothing is proved. We know the charges, but not how strong the evidence is, or what defence might be put forward.

It will be interesting to see what Brueckner is actually charged with. It has been suggested that there are now three charges pending, so have the other two rape charges been dropped? If so, he's facing one rape charge and two child abuse ones. If the rape charge isn't proved he will be left facing charges similar to those he's been convicted of previously.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 09:45:34 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2023, 10:47:22 PM
No, you're quite wrong. I know, by Wolters admission, that they have no DNA or forensics.
The 'evidence' against CB is limited to a number of possibilities, which I have previously listed on the evidence against CB thread. The best example of possible evidence suggested by your compatriots was CB's confession to Busching.
Due process has already happened, Wolters has nothing of genuine substance against CB, hence the reason he still hasn't been charged, & won't be getting charged with anything related to Maddie, any time in the forseeable future. That's how concrete the concrete evidence against him is.

Who mentioned "concrete" evidence apart from you and other sceptic bloggers.

As far as I can see concerning the foreseeable future - that belongs to the victims of three aggravated rapes, the child of the German family he subjected to sexual assault on the beach when he laid hands on her and the children he traumatised in the playground - all of which crimes for which he will answer charges to when his legal team has sorted out their procedural objections.

In the interim according to Wikiprdia - festina lente. (Latin: a classical adage and oxymoron meaning "make haste slowly" sometimes rendered in English as "more haste, less speed") the meaning of the phrase is that activities should be performed with a proper balance of urgency and diligence. If tasks are rushed too quickly then mistakes are made and good long-term results are not achieved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2023, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 09:45:34 AM
Who mentioned "concrete" evidence apart from you and other sceptic bloggers.

As far as I can see concerning the foreseeable future - that belongs to the victims of three aggravated rapes, the child of the German family he subjected to sexual assault on the beach when he laid hands on her and the children he traumatised in the playground - all of which crimes for which he will answer charges to when his legal team has sorted out their procedural objections.

In the interim according to Wikiprdia - festina lente. (Latin: a classical adage and oxymoron meaning "make haste slowly" sometimes rendered in English as "more haste, less speed") the meaning of the phrase is that activities should be performed with a proper balance of urgency and diligence. If tasks are rushed too quickly then mistakes are made and good long-term results are not achieved.

Yes he raped some women & exposed himself to kids. None of that had any connection at all to Madeleine's disappearance though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 01, 2023, 08:38:44 AM
Just lock up Brueckner on what they can prove, for the time being.  They have witnesses and a Police Arrest in the Child Sexual Abuse Cases.  That should get him ten more years off the streets of Europe.

Meanwhile, sadly Madeleine will have to wait.  But the disappearance of one small girl has resulted in the exposure of a corrupt Police Force in Portugal.

I'm not sure because at the time of Brueckner's first rape trial he wasn't the headline news he is now, but I don't think his appeal was based on his innocence or miscarriage of justice.  It was purely procedural and based on the way the grounds for his extradition from Italy had been conducted.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2023, 10:00:06 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 09:45:15 AM
It will be interesting to see what Brueckner is actually charged with. It has been suggested that there are now three charges pending, so have the other two rape charges been dropped? If so, he's facing one rape charge and two child abuse ones. If the rape charge isn't proved he will be left facing charges similar to those he's been convicted of previously.

Exactly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 10:00:45 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 09:45:15 AM
It will be interesting to see what Brueckner is actually charged with. It has been suggested that there are now three charges pending, so have the other two rape charges been dropped? If so, he's facing one rape charge and two child abuse ones. If the rape charge isn't proved he will be left facing charges similar to those he's been convicted of previously.

As far as I know Brueckner stands indicted of five charges.

Where does your information that is now three come from.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2023, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 09:45:15 AM
It will be interesting to see what Brueckner is actually charged with. It has been suggested that there are now three charges pending, so have the other two rape charges been dropped? If so, he's facing one rape charge and two child abuse ones. If the rape charge isn't proved he will be left facing charges similar to those he's been convicted of previously.

I find it slightly curious that he hasn't been charged with possessing & making child pornography. They found his stash under his dog, allegedly. They must be able to nail him on that, if all else fails, Shirley?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 10:05:57 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2023, 09:53:01 AM
Yes he raped some women & exposed himself to kids. None of that had any connection at all to Madeleine's disappearance though.

You are rather hung up on "concrete" evidence as attributed to the German prosecutor.  Track back and tell me where I can view the original German for that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 09:56:59 AM
I'm not sure because at the time of Brueckner's first rape trial he wasn't the headline news he is now, but I don't think his appeal was based on his innocence or miscarriage of justice.  It was purely procedural and based on the way the grounds for his extradition from Italy had been conducted.

Italy didn't want him and Portugal weren't interested.  Germany has a Legal Right to charge one of it's own Citizens when all else has failed, which it so obviously has.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 10:10:14 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2023, 10:02:24 AM
I find it slightly curious that he hasn't been charged with possessing & making child pornography. They found his stash under his dog, allegedly. They must be able to nail him on that, if all else fails, Shirley?

I don't find it in the least curious.  For the simple reason we have absolutely no idea what other investigations might be affected by that evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2023, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 10:05:57 AM
You are rather hung up on "concrete" evidence as attributed to the German prosecutor.  Track back and tell me where I can view the original German for that.

Here's the original in English.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters Wolters said today: “We have written to the McCanns to tell them Madeleine is dead and explaining we just ­cannot say what the evidence is.

“We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine.

“British police have been informed but don’t have all the evidence we have. The results of our investigation have been shared but not every detail has been passed to Scotland Yard.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11871138/madeleine-mccann-dead-letter-kate-gerry/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2023, 10:24:35 AM

Anyway, it was davel who used to remind the forum in capitals that Wolters had CONCRETE EVIDENCE.

He's stopped doing that now though for some unknown reason.

Perhaps he finally cottoned on that Wolters never really had any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 10:00:45 AM
As far as I know Brueckner stands indicted of five charges.

Where does your information that is now three come from.

From the link you provided;

"The prime suspect will be charged with three separate sex crimes in February"
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/24/exclusive-explosive-fingerprint-clue-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-faces-three-new-charges/

So three, not five, and not yet charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2023, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
From the link you provided;

"The prime suspect will be charged with three separate sex crimes in February"
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/24/exclusive-explosive-fingerprint-clue-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-faces-three-new-charges/

So three, not five, and not yet charged.

Cherry Picking again.  Read the article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2023, 11:23:05 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2023, 10:02:24 AM
I find it slightly curious that he hasn't been charged with possessing & making child pornography. They found his stash under his dog, allegedly. They must be able to nail him on that, if all else fails, Shirley?

Perhaps the media exaggerated over what was actually found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 01, 2023, 11:25:15 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 01, 2023, 11:23:05 AM
Perhaps the media exaggerated over what was actually found.
Or perhaps the crimes of sexual assault and rape are considered more serious and the police wanted to charge him with those crimes to ensure he is put away for a far longer time. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2023, 10:12:09 AM
Here's the original in English.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters Wolters said today: “We have written to the McCanns to tell them Madeleine is dead and explaining we just ­cannot say what the evidence is.

“We have concrete evidence that our suspect has killed Madeleine.

“British police have been informed but don’t have all the evidence we have. The results of our investigation have been shared but not every detail has been passed to Scotland Yard.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11871138/madeleine-mccann-dead-letter-kate-gerry/

Not that it really matters ~ but I did ask for the original, which I rather think would be in German.  Just a reminder on why I think this trivia is well worth being sorted out and why what was actually said and by whom is of relevance on McCann threads where so many inaccuracies and misunderstandings are perpetuated.

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12474.msg697647#msg697647
I don't know - and to be honest I really do not care - but there seems to be more than a co-incidence between our Spammer's fixation with "CONCRETE EVIDENCE" and the rest of the sceptic lexicon.

Maddie case: "They seem not yet to be very sure about concrete evidence"
SIC News
04.06.2020
Carlos Carmo, former coordinator of the Judicial Police, analyzes the new developments in the investigation.

The former inspector of the JUDICIARY considers that the British police work with a budget that allows to pay informants and that, in this way, "from time to time appear some suspects", but that there seems to be no certainty as to concrete evidence regarding the German man considered a formal suspect.
https://sicnoticias.pt/especiais/caso-maddie---10-anos/2020-06-03-Caso-Maddie-Parecem-nao-estar-ainda-bem-seguros-relativamente-a-provas-concretas

Video Transcript:
CC – We just recently had the anniversary marking the disappearance of Maddie McCann. Over the years, occasionally some suspects emerge, it shouldn’t be forgotten that the English police works with quite a high financial budget, what I mean by this is that it is possible to use informants, to pay to informants, to see if the police can gather criminal intelligence. Therefore, I would not be surprised that the case, this case of the German man, that is detained, in jail, is also a case stemming from intelligence collected by the BKA [German Police acronym for Bundeskriminalamt]. However, we do not know what the reliability of that information is; note that the communiqué of the German police is broad, but simultaneously also looks to grasp at something more, it speaks of vehicles, two vehicles, speaks of the stay of this individual in the area of Portimão. So, they do not seem to be very sure about concrete evidence.
_____________________________________________________________________
RP – Carlos do Carmo, thank you so much for coming to the night edition with your views about this situation. Have a very good night.

// Translation by J.M. for the Textusa sisters //

*****

Comment from the blog:

A huge thank you to Joana!

We would like to highlight the date of this interview: June 4. This was on the next day after this story broke out on the evening of June 3.

____________________________________________________________________________

Quite obviously Carlos do Carmo coined the phrase.

Your turn now ~ where was it said in it's original German.  I think you find and post the source or perhaps you should give consideration to limiting its use if you cannot.
I only made the above observation regarding "concrete" on the 10th January this year.  Today is 1st of February.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
From the link you provided;

"The prime suspect will be charged with three separate sex crimes in February"
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/24/exclusive-explosive-fingerprint-clue-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-faces-three-new-charges/

So three, not five, and not yet charged.

Are you really serious !!

Dear God in heaven I really do sometimes despair!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 01, 2023, 11:14:26 AM
Cherry Picking again.  Read the article.

Particularly the date of publication.

One thing certain sure is that I have never been so taken aback by a post.  And I really mean never.  Jaw dropping!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2023, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 11:36:03 AM
Are you really serious !!

Dear God in heaven I really do sometimes despair!!


Nothing new though.  This is what Gunit does.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
From the link you provided;

"The prime suspect will be charged with three separate sex crimes in February"
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/24/exclusive-explosive-fingerprint-clue-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-faces-three-new-charges/

So three, not five, and not yet charged.
For information
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner charged with five new counts of rape and sexual abuse
BY ANNA NORYSKIEWICZ

OCTOBER 12, 2022 / 9:31 AM / CBS NEWS

Berlin – A German public prosecutor has announced new charges against Christian Brueckner, the man suspected of kidnapping and killing British toddler Madeleine McCann in 2007. The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig, central Germany, said Tuesday that Brueckner would be put on trial on three counts of rape and two counts of child sexual abuse, all unrelated to the still-unsolved McCann case.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-charged-rape-child-sexual-abuse/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
For information
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner charged with five new counts of rape and sexual abuse
BY ANNA NORYSKIEWICZ

OCTOBER 12, 2022 / 9:31 AM / CBS NEWS

Berlin – A German public prosecutor has announced new charges against Christian Brueckner, the man suspected of kidnapping and killing British toddler Madeleine McCann in 2007. The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig, central Germany, said Tuesday that Brueckner would be put on trial on three counts of rape and two counts of child sexual abuse, all unrelated to the still-unsolved McCann case.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-charged-rape-child-sexual-abuse/

So, once again, it's clear as mud. Is he to be charged in February, or was he charged before?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 01, 2023, 01:18:45 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 12:50:21 PM
So, once again, it's clear as mud. Is he to be charged in February, or was he charged before?

Well its February now, only another 27 days to see how it pans out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 01, 2023, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 12:50:21 PM
So, once again, it's clear as mud. Is he to be charged in February, or was he charged before?
Patience.  All will be revealed in the fullness of time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 05:07:51 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 12:50:21 PM
So, once again, it's clear as mud. Is he to be charged in February, or was he charged before?

Serious question.

Are you winding me up here ~ or is this a serious statement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 05:07:51 PM
Serious question.

Are you winding me up here ~ or is this a serious statement?

Olive Press says "will be charged" with three offenses, CBS says "has been charged"with five. You posted both links, I think, so which one are you going with?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-charged-rape-child-sexual-abuse/
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/24/exclusive-explosive-fingerprint-clue-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-faces-three-new-charges/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 01, 2023, 07:03:26 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 05:59:49 PM
Olive Press says "will be charged" with three offenses, CBS says "has been charged"with five. You posted both links, I think, so which one are you going with?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-charged-rape-child-sexual-abuse/
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/24/exclusive-explosive-fingerprint-clue-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-faces-three-new-charges/


5 Charges, October last year, you'll need google translate.


https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/wegen-vergewaltigung-maddie-verdaechtiger-christian-brueckner-angeklagt-81577510.bild.html?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2F


Braunschweig – Now it's getting serious for the Maddie suspect! The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig has brought charges against Christian Brückner (45).

The man who allegedly kidnapped and killed little Maddie McCann (then 3) in 2007 is now to be tried on three counts of rape and two counts of child sexual abuse.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 07:20:30 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 01, 2023, 07:03:26 PM

5 Charges, October last year, you'll need google translate.


https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/wegen-vergewaltigung-maddie-verdaechtiger-christian-brueckner-angeklagt-81577510.bild.html?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2F


Braunschweig – Now it's getting serious for the Maddie suspect! The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig has brought charges against Christian Brückner (45).

The man who allegedly kidnapped and killed little Maddie McCann (then 3) in 2007 is now to be tried on three counts of rape and two counts of child sexual abuse.

It seems to be at this stage;

The intermediate proceedings
After the public prosecutor’s office has filed the indictment, the so-called interim proceedings are opened. The court responsible for the main hearing then decides, under Section 199 (1) StPO, whether the main proceedings are to be opened or the proceedings are to be discontinued. The files are presented to the court and reviewed. In addition, the accused becomes a defendant when the indictment is filed (cf. Section 157 StPO). Further motions for evidence may be filed, and proof may be ordered until the decision on the opening of the main proceedings.
https://se-legal.de/criminal-defense-lawyer/criminal-procedure-law-in-germany/?lang=en#:~:text=After%20the%20public%20prosecutor's%20office,proceedings%20are%20to%20be%20discontinued.

I wonder if it's been decided which court will be used? Until that's decided the interim proceedings can't proceed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2023, 07:41:15 PM
I feel that if jurisdiction had been decided it would have been reported somewhere, so I assume it is stlll outstanding.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2023, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 01, 2023, 05:59:49 PM
Olive Press says "will be charged" with three offenses, CBS says "has been charged"with five. You posted both links, I think, so which one are you going with?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-charged-rape-child-sexual-abuse/
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/12/24/exclusive-explosive-fingerprint-clue-as-madeleine-mccann-suspect-faces-three-new-charges/

My opinion - you appear to be trying to play mind games at the expense of any credibility you might have possessed.

Fine by me. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 02, 2023, 01:54:21 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 30, 2023, 12:31:00 PM
Well, he likes dressing up in women's clothes. Maybe he should think about transitioning. He could serve his sentences in a women's prison. That seems to be common occurrence now. Yes, I think I'll be recommending this to him in my next fan letter.

His clothes were a leotard and tights.

He had an identifying mark on his upper thigh didn't he?  Perhaps he couldn't get tights long enough to hide it and maybe they were a nuisance keep falling down at the crotch.    I bet most tall or fat women have had the same problem. ?

Maybe the leotards he wore were simply to hold the tights up in a comfortable position ?   A leotard doesn't strike me as a fetish garment, but maybe I am wrong?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 02, 2023, 06:31:13 AM
Quote from: sadie on February 02, 2023, 01:54:21 AM
His clothes were a leotard and tights.

He had an identifying mark on his upper thigh didn't he?  Perhaps he couldn't get tights long enough to hide it and maybe they were a nuisance keep falling down at the crotch.    I bet most tall or fat women have had the same problem. ?

Maybe the leotards he wore were simply to hold the tights up in a comfortable position ?   A leotard doesn't strike me as a fetish garment, but maybe I am wrong?

I don't know of any men who wear Leotards & Tights (myself excluded). It seems incredibly kinky to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 02, 2023, 07:16:11 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 02, 2023, 06:31:13 AM
I don't know of any men who wear Leotards & Tights (myself excluded). It seems incredibly kinky to me.

The mechanics of rape seem to me to be hampered by such clothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 02, 2023, 07:52:20 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 02, 2023, 07:16:11 AM
The mechanics of rape seem to me to be hampered by such clothing.

Yes. I hadn't actually thought about that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 02, 2023, 08:34:04 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 02, 2023, 07:16:11 AM
The mechanics of rape seem to me to be hampered by such clothing.
He was with his victim for hours.  Perhaps it crossed his mind to remove his garments when he raped her?  Unless you are insinuating something else of course…
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 02, 2023, 09:13:14 AM

I could be wrong, but I don't remember reading anywhere that he beat Hazel B, in the same manner that he did to Diane M, bashing her around the torso with a pole. If he didn't beat Hazel B, I can't help thinking that she was perhaps more submissive, whereas the older, wiser Diane M may have resisted more & put up a fight.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 03, 2023, 12:06:17 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 02, 2023, 09:13:14 AM
I could be wrong, but I don't remember reading anywhere that he beat Hazel B, in the same manner that he did to Diane M, bashing her around the torso with a pole. If he didn't beat Hazel B, I can't help thinking that she was perhaps more submissive, whereas the older, wiser Diane M may have resisted more & put up a fight.


Have you considered the fact that Hazel S lived in a flat so in close proximity to other people, whilst Diane M lived in a detached bungalow?

In a detached bungalow he could get away with making some unusual noise, imo.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Rossb on February 04, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
I have not been on on a while, no new news on Madeleine atm, I know this is irrelevant, but I wanted to start a new thread for Lancashire missing woman Mrs bulley. How do I do that? Very strange case hopefully raise quick awareness if starting a new thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 04, 2023, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: Rossb on February 04, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
I have not been on on a while, no new news on Madeleine atm, I know this is irrelevant, but I wanted to start a new thread for Lancashire missing woman Mrs bulley. How do I do that? Very strange case hopefully raise quick awareness if starting a new thread.

Go to the Home Page.  Top Left.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 04, 2023, 12:02:25 PM
Quote from: Rossb on February 04, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
I have not been on on a while, no new news on Madeleine atm, I know this is irrelevant, but I wanted to start a new thread for Lancashire missing woman Mrs bulley. How do I do that? Very strange case hopefully raise quick awareness if starting a new thread.
Here's your starter... https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12494.msg698918#msg698918 (https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12494.msg698918#msg698918)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 02:38:53 PM

All quiet on the Western Front.  What a relief.

Brueckner will be tried on five counts of sexual abuse of some kind or another.  No one yet knows if he will be convicted.  But I've got my money on at least two.

I still have no idea if he will ever be charged or convicted of crimes against Madeleine McCann.

If she is dead then she is dead and for some considerable time.  But not my child and so I cannot be quite so upset by the thought.

I am certain sure that The McCanns had nothing to do with this, simply for reasons of logic.

Sceptics will waste their time for a very long while on this Forum because I ain't dead yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 03:26:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 02:38:53 PM
All quiet on the Western Front.  What a relief.

Brueckner will be tried on five counts of sexual abuse of some kind or another.  No one yet knows if he will be convicted.  But I've got my money on at least two.

I still have no idea if he will ever be charged or convicted of crimes against Madeleine McCann.

If she is dead then she is dead and for some considerable time.  But not my child and so I cannot be quite so upset by the thought.

I am certain sure that The McCanns had nothing to do with this, simply for reasons of logic.

Sceptics will waste their time for a very long while on this Forum because I ain't dead yet.

"I still have no idea if he will ever be charged or convicted of crimes against Madeleine McCann."

Well I'll help you out, he won't be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 05, 2023, 03:30:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 02:38:53 PM
All quiet on the Western Front.  What a relief.

Brueckner will be tried on five counts of sexual abuse of some kind or another.  No one yet knows if he will be convicted.  But I've got my money on at least two.

I still have no idea if he will ever be charged or convicted of crimes against Madeleine McCann.

If she is dead then she is dead and for some considerable time.  But not my child and so I cannot be quite so upset by the thought.

I am certain sure that The McCanns had nothing to do with this, simply for reasons of logic.

Sceptics will waste their time for a very long while on this Forum because I ain't dead yet.

I don't think I was wasting my time when I aired my scepticism that the ECHR would find in favour of the McCanns. I ain't dead yet either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 03:34:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 02:38:53 PM
All quiet on the Western Front.  What a relief.

Brueckner will be tried on five counts of sexual abuse of some kind or another.  No one yet knows if he will be convicted.  But I've got my money on at least two.

I still have no idea if he will ever be charged or convicted of crimes against Madeleine McCann.

If she is dead then she is dead and for some considerable time.  But not my child and so I cannot be quite so upset by the thought.

I am certain sure that The McCanns had nothing to do with this, simply for reasons of logic.

Sceptics will waste their time for a very long while on this Forum because I ain't dead yet.

I'd be interested to know how my Maddie in the bin theory is logistically impossible, but Eleanor will be dead before she ever gives an explanation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 03:26:17 PM

"I still have no idea if he will ever be charged or convicted of crimes against Madeleine McCann."

Well I'll help you out, he won't be.

You are an ignorant fool.  But probably not your fault.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 03:44:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 03:41:11 PM
You are an ignorant fool.  But probably not your fault.

With respect Eleanor, Up yours you miserable old witch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 04:12:10 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 03:44:20 PM
With respect Eleanor, Up yours you miserable old witch.

I would watch your back if I were you.  Should I be so clever.  Who knows.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 04:12:10 PM
I would watch your back if I were you.  Should I be so clever.  Who knows.

Threats now, on top of personal insults.

What a fine example you set as a senior moderator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Threats now, on top of personal insults.

What a fine example you set as a senior moderator.

Thank you.  Again.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 04:37:07 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 05, 2023, 03:30:05 PM
I don't think I was wasting my time when I aired my scepticism that the ECHR would find in favour of the McCanns. I ain't dead yet either.
What do you think airing your scepticism about it on this forum actually achieved?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 04:38:40 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 04:37:07 PM
What do you think airing your scepticism about it on this forum actually achieved?

Well, she got one over on supporters who insisted the McCanns would win.

Has anyone seen Davel lately?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 04:21:26 PM
Thank you.  Again.

My pleasure as always dear.

Do you remember back at Christmas, I suggested we all be nice to each other 364 days a year, then have one set day when we're all especially nasty?

Didn't seem like a good idea to you at the time, but I would happily have stuck to that arrangement. But, ok, we'll have it your way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 04:42:27 PM
My pleasure as always dear.

Do you remember back at Christmas, I suggested we all be nice to each other 364 days a year, then have one set day when we're all especially nasty?

Didn't seem like a good idea to you at the time, but I would happily have stuck to that arrangement. But, ok, we'll have it your way.

You do have a peculiar imagination.  I have no idea of what you are talking about.  You go on being as unpleasant as you wish.  You only shame yourself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 05, 2023, 05:15:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 02:38:53 PM
All quiet on the Western Front.  What a relief.

Brueckner will be tried on five counts of sexual abuse of some kind or another.  No one yet knows if he will be convicted.  But I've got my money on at least two.

I still have no idea if he will ever be charged or convicted of crimes against Madeleine McCann.

If she is dead then she is dead and for some considerable time.  But not my child and so I cannot be quite so upset by the thought.

I am certain sure that The McCanns had nothing to do with this, simply for reasons of logic.

Sceptics will waste their time for a very long while on this Forum because I ain't dead yet.

I agree that it is highly probable that Brueckner will be convicted of at least two of the serious crimes with which he has been charged.

As far as I know it is horrendously difficult for crimes of rape to carry successful convictions even in the best of circumstances.  The three of which Brueckner stands charged particularly so as they are historic cold cases only one of which we can be sure was reported at the time.

There is quite a bit of wishful thinking that Brueckner's innocence shines through.  For me ~ I would prefer that to be decided in a court of law rather than by the mobsters of internet kangaroo courts who attempt to destroy innocent lives every time they strike 'post' on their keyboards.

I don't know how long it will take due process to be completed regarding the crimes for which Brueckner will stand trial.
I hope that there is sufficient admissible evidence to allow him to be tried for crimes against Madeleine McCann.

It is worth bearing in mind that Brueckner is the named police prime suspect in three jurisdictions and as such really is entitled to be allowed the opportunity to "prove his innocence".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 05:24:01 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 05, 2023, 05:15:00 PM
I agree that it is highly probable that Brueckner will be convicted of at least two of the serious crimes with which he has been charged.

As far as I know it is horrendously difficult for crimes of rape to carry successful convictions even in the best of circumstances.  The three of which Brueckner stands charged particularly so as they are historic cold cases only one of which we can be sure was reported at the time.

There is quite a bit of wishful thinking that Brueckner's innocence shines through.  For me ~ I would prefer that to be decided in a court of law rather than by the mobsters of internet kangaroo courts who attempt to destroy innocent lives every time they strike 'post' on their keyboards.

I don't know how long it will take due process to be completed regarding the crimes for which Brueckner will stand trial.

I hope that there is sufficient admissible evidence to allow him to be tried for crimes against Madeleine McCann.

It is worth bearing in mind that Brueckner is the named police prime suspect in three jurisdictions and as such really is entitled to be allowed the opportunity to "prove his innocence".

You hope Maddie was murdered by a paedophile?

Disgusting, some of the things people 'hope for' on this forum are quite disgusting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 05, 2023, 02:38:53 PM
All quiet on the Western Front.  What a relief.

Brueckner will be tried on five counts of sexual abuse of some kind or another.  No one yet knows if he will be convicted.  But I've got my money on at least two.

I still have no idea if he will ever be charged or convicted of crimes against Madeleine McCann.

If she is dead then she is dead and for some considerable time.  But not my child and so I cannot be quite so upset by the thought.

I am certain sure that The McCanns had nothing to do with this, simply for reasons of logic.

Sceptics will waste their time for a very long while on this Forum because I ain't dead yet.
Talking of “All Quiet On The Western Front” I highly recommend the new German film of the book, available on Neftflix.  It’s very long and subtitled but quite gripping and harrowing and trench warfare is amazingly well recreated.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 05, 2023, 05:57:06 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 05:24:01 PM
You hope Maddie was murdered by a paedophile?

Disgusting, some of the things people 'hope for' on this forum are quite disgusting.

You really can't help yourself 🤡
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 06:07:12 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 05, 2023, 05:57:06 PM
You really can't help yourself 🤡
Where did you find the picture of Spam?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 06:19:28 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 05:35:11 PM
Talking of “All Quiet On The Western Front” I highly recommend the new German film of the book, available on Neftflix.  It’s very long and subtitled but quite gripping and harrowing and trench warfare is amazingly well recreated.

It's all quiet on The Wolters Front.

He doesn't have much to say about Brueckner murdering Maddie anymore.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 06:33:38 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 06:07:12 PM
Where did you find the picture of Spam?

This is very offensive to Clowns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 05, 2023, 08:22:40 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 04:37:07 PM
What do you think airing your scepticism about it on this forum actually achieved?

That my opinion was the correct one, despite others insisting that theirs was correct? There should always be those to put the alternative point of view unless we want a cosy little gang here all with the same convictions.

Despite the evidence to the contrary, there are those who are still content to rely on the Germans convicting their (not so new) suspect of crimes against Madeleine McCann, for example.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 05, 2023, 08:22:40 PM
That my opinion was the correct one, despite others insisting that theirs was correct? There should always be those to put the alternative point of view unless we want a cosy little gang here all with the same convictions.

Despite the evidence to the contrary, there are those who are still content to rely on the Germans convicting their (not so new) suspect of crimes against Madeleine McCann, for example.
So what you achieved was the self-congratulatory glow of being right for once.  What an achievement, well done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 08:38:34 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 05, 2023, 08:22:40 PM
That my opinion was the correct one, despite others insisting that theirs was correct? There should always be those to put the alternative point of view unless we want a cosy little gang here all with the same convictions.

Despite the evidence to the contrary, there are those who are still content to rely on the Germans convicting their (not so new) suspect of crimes against Madeleine McCann, for example.
What realistically do you see as the alternative to relying on the Germans to bring a successful conviction against Bruckner for the abduction of Madeleine McCann?  What is intrinsically wrong with waiting and seeing whether or not this happens?  What should we be doing instead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 08:53:16 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 08:38:34 PM
What realistically do you see as the alternative to relying on the Germans to bring a successful conviction against Bruckner for the abduction of Madeleine McCann?  What is intrinsically wrong with waiting and seeing whether or not this happens?  What should we be doing instead?

Looking for Madeleine. We should never give up hope & keep looking for her. Even though Wolters has irrefutable, concrete evidence Brueckner murdered her, & if we saw the evidence Wolters has we would be in no doubt & even though there's simply no other possibility & no hope she is alive, we should never stop looking for her. I'm sure that's what the McCanns would want.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 05, 2023, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 08:32:25 PM
So what you achieved was the self-congratulatory glow of being right for once.  What an achievement, well done.

I didn't know how it would all turn out. All I did was challenge those who were convinced that they were cleverer, more intelligent and knowledgeable than I was. They weren't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 05, 2023, 10:24:31 PM
I didn't know how it would all turn out. All I did was challenge those who were convinced that they were cleverer, more intelligent and knowledgeable than I was. They weren't.
You want more congratulations I see.   8@??)(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 05, 2023, 11:05:59 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 10:46:04 PM
You want more congratulations I see.   8@??)(

Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 11:34:19 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 05, 2023, 11:05:59 PM
Thank you.
You’re welcome.  Now perhaps you can give us the further benefit of your wisdom and advise us on the following:
What realistically do you see as the alternative to relying on the Germans to bring a successful conviction against Bruckner for the abduction of Madeleine McCann?  What is intrinsically wrong with waiting and seeing whether or not this happens?  What should we be doing instead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2023, 12:55:55 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 05, 2023, 11:34:19 PM
You’re welcome.  Now perhaps you can give us the further benefit of your wisdom and advise us on the following:
What realistically do you see as the alternative to relying on the Germans to bring a successful conviction against Bruckner for the abduction of Madeleine McCann?  What is intrinsically wrong with waiting and seeing whether or not this happens?  What should we be doing instead?

You can do what you like just as I can. Your instincts seem to lie with relying on others, mine with examining and questioning their statements. We both have no choice when it comes to waiting, obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 06, 2023, 01:22:56 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 03:44:20 PM
With respect Eleanor, Up yours you miserable old witch.

Watch it, WS.

Eleanor cares about people and Justice; she is no witch.   She is a carer, abused by the likes of you and she has worked hard since Madeleine went missing showing empathy and seeking Justice .


You are sorely lacking in both departments, IMHO.


You enjoy showing off using disruption.  It's a technique whose purpose is to prevent Justice in this case IMO.

There has to be a reason that you do it.   Why, what is it?


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 06, 2023, 01:33:53 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 05, 2023, 05:24:01 PM
You hope Maddie was murdered by a paedophile?

Disgusting, some of the things people 'hope for' on this forum are quite disgusting.

Madeleine still lives and it makes sense that she was never abused as a child.

She was wanted because of her very special bloodline, as a pure unadulterated Mother for a very special baby, fathered by a selected person of a certain special bloodline ... criminal, of course, but she doesn't know that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2023, 07:29:40 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2023, 12:55:55 AM
You can do what you like just as I can. Your instincts seem to lie with relying on others, mine with examining and questioning their statements. We both have no choice when it comes to waiting, obviously.
IMO you are engaging in a completely pointless task, one which you have been engaged in for years and which has uncovered nothing of merit.  You are going over very old ground day in day out, and don’t seem to care that you haven’t got the full set of data to work with, nor the access, skills and expertise to fully understand them.  Relying on the authorities to solve this mystery is literally all our only realistic option.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2023, 08:00:09 AM
Quote from: sadie on February 06, 2023, 01:22:56 AM
Watch it, WS.

Eleanor cares about people and Justice; she is no witch.   She is a carer, abused by the likes of you and she has worked hard since Madeleine went missing showing empathy and seeking Justice .


You are sorely lacking in both departments, IMHO.


You enjoy showing off using disruption.  It's a technique whose purpose is to prevent Justice in this case IMO.

There has to be a reason that you do it.   Why, what is it?

No I'm sorry sadie, I'm usually restrained & don't dish out personal insults, but from now on, if members wish to call me names, well, they'll be getting some back. That is justice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2023, 08:23:24 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 06, 2023, 07:29:40 AM
IMO you are engaging in a completely pointless task, one which you have been engaged in for years and which has uncovered nothing of merit.  You are going over very old ground day in day out, and don’t seem to care that you haven’t got the full set of data to work with, nor the access, skills and expertise to fully understand them.  Relying on the authorities to solve this mystery is literally all our only realistic option.

Yes, we just have to trust that the MET really do have convincing EMWTIACABAS, even though none of us can imagine what EMWTIACABAS they could possibly have, beyond points 1 & 2 previously listed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 09:02:03 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 05, 2023, 10:24:31 PM
I didn't know how it would all turn out. All I did was challenge those who were convinced that they were cleverer, more intelligent and knowledgeable than I was. They weren't.


I dont think an intelligent educated person would use such an ineleagnt word as "cleverer".
Having said that I dont think intelligence comes into it....and i know Im streets ahead on that score. whats important is knowledge...and Im streets ahead there too.

The General kindly showed me why all my analysis of the facts came to nought.... the link he supplied has been deleted... a link to an official paper....but I may well have posted the snip somewhere.

The reason the mccanns lost was because the portuguese courts included what can only be described as lies in the proven facts.....they did the same in the cipriano case too... it must be a quirk of their judicisl system.

The ECHR simply accept the facts from the trial ..they dont examine their veracity so as far as the ECHR were concerned cadaver odour was confirmed in 5a. Based on that fact it was quite reasonable for the ECHR to see Amarals thesis as factuallly based. ..when in fact it wasnt.

The problem is no sceptic Ive come accross has the intelligence or knowledge to undestand my factual explanation....do you. see if you can include some facts in your counter explanation if you reply.

As for spelling and grammar i take refuge in Einstein saying he hated grammar and he was poor at spelling
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2023, 09:11:56 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 09:02:03 AM

I dont think an intelligent educated person would use such an ineleagnt word as "cleverer".
Having said that I dont think intelligence comes into it....and i know Im streets ahead on that score. whats important is knowledge...and Im streets ahead there too.

The General kindly showed me why all my analysis of the facts came to nought.... the link he supplied has been deleted... a link to an official paper....but I may well have posted the snip somewhere.

The reason the mccanns lost was because the portuguese courts included what can only be described as lies in the proven facts.....they did the same in the cipriano case too... it must be a quirk of their judicisl system.

The ECHR simply accept the facts from the trial ..they dont examine their veracity so as far as the ECHR were concerned cadaver odour was confirmed in 5a. Based on that fact it was quite reasonable for the ECHR to see Amarals thesis as factuallly based. ..when in fact it wasnt.

The problem is no sceptic Ive come accross has the intelligence or knowledge to undestand my factual explanation....do you. see if you can include some facts in your counter explanation if you reply.

As for spelling and grammar i take refuge in Einstein saying he hated grammar and he was poor at spelling

Glad that you are back.  I hope that you will stay.  But you probably won't, if you have any sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2023, 09:27:16 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 06, 2023, 09:11:56 AM
Glad that you are back.  I hope that you will stay.  But you probably won't, if you have any sense.

He's probably fed up with the kicking he gets on twitter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2023, 09:29:17 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 09:02:03 AM

I dont think an intelligent educated person would use such an ineleagnt word as "cleverer".
Having said that I dont think intelligence comes into it....and i know Im streets ahead on that score. whats important is knowledge...and Im streets ahead there too.

The General kindly showed me why all my analysis of the facts came to nought.... the link he supplied has been deleted... a link to an official paper....but I may well have posted the snip somewhere.

The reason the mccanns lost was because the portuguese courts included what can only be described as lies in the proven facts.....they did the same in the cipriano case too... it must be a quirk of their judicisl system.

The ECHR simply accept the facts from the trial ..they dont examine their veracity so as far as the ECHR were concerned cadaver odour was confirmed in 5a. Based on that fact it was quite reasonable for the ECHR to see Amarals thesis as factuallly based. ..when in fact it wasnt.

The problem is no sceptic Ive come accross has the intelligence or knowledge to undestand my factual explanation....do you. see if you can include some facts in your counter explanation if you reply.

As for spelling and grammar i take refuge in Einstein saying he hated grammar and he was poor at spelling
Yet you were so convinced the McCanns would overcome, so wise after the event are you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2023, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 09:02:03 AM

I dont think an intelligent educated person would use such an ineleagnt word as "cleverer".
Having said that I dont think intelligence comes into it....and i know Im streets ahead on that score. whats important is knowledge...and Im streets ahead there too.

The General kindly showed me why all my analysis of the facts came to nought.... the link he supplied has been deleted... a link to an official paper....but I may well have posted the snip somewhere.

The reason the mccanns lost was because the portuguese courts included what can only be described as lies in the proven facts.....they did the same in the cipriano case too... it must be a quirk of their judicisl system.

The ECHR simply accept the facts from the trial ..they dont examine their veracity so as far as the ECHR were concerned cadaver odour was confirmed in 5a. Based on that fact it was quite reasonable for the ECHR to see Amarals thesis as factuallly based. ..when in fact it wasnt.

The problem is no sceptic Ive come accross has the intelligence or knowledge to undestand my factual explanation....do you. see if you can include some facts in your counter explanation if you reply.

As for spelling and grammar i take refuge in Einstein saying he hated grammar and he was poor at spelling

 @)(++(*

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2023, 10:10:57 AM

None of you are ever going to get the better of Davel.  And that's a fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2023, 10:15:08 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 06, 2023, 10:10:57 AM
None of you are ever going to get the better of Davel.  And that's a fact.

How's the case against Brueckner going?

Wolters wrapping things up soon is he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2023, 10:16:30 AM


I found the use of the word cleverer a bit ironic.

Still, at least G never fell for any of Wolters yarn, unlike some.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2023, 10:30:15 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 06, 2023, 10:10:57 AM
None of you are ever going to get the better of Davel.  And that's a fact.

Spammy is a better spammer. (&^&
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2023, 10:04:22 AM
@)(++(*

I see you are limited by your intelligence to not being able to make a sensible reply.....you cannot counter one word Ive said....that shows your claim to intelligence as being rather weak
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2023, 10:35:36 AM
There really is nothing going on in the case at the moment, no news to speak of.
Us seven remaining regular members are talking more about each other than the evidence Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.
I suggest we all stop insulting each other for the time being & just sit tight & wait patiently & peacefully until Brueckner is charged. It shouldn't be much longer now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2023, 09:27:16 AM
He's probably fed up with the kicking he gets on twitter.

try and talk some sense for once....most of them have worked out Im a paid poster...financed by the mccanns...they make you look almost of average intelligence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 10:42:10 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2023, 09:29:17 AM
Yet you were so convinced the McCanns would overcome, so wise after the event are you.

As i said...my post would go right over your head. I explained why they didnt.

The portuguese court accepted a lie as a proven fact..the ECHR dont question the findings of the national court..even if theyre total bo77ocks as in this case
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2023, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 10:42:10 AM
As i said...my post would go right over your head. I explained why they didnt.

The portuguese court accepted a lie as a proven fact..the ECHR dont question the findings of the national court..even if theyre total bo77ocks as in this case

Yet you argued that they would not lose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 06, 2023, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2023, 10:35:36 AM
There really is nothing going on in the case at the moment, no news to speak of.
Us seven remaining regular members are talking more about each other than the evidence Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.
I suggest we all stop insulting each other for the time being & just sit tight & wait patiently & peacefully until Brueckner is charged. It shouldn't be much longer now.

I think most if not all the commentators are quiet, Wolters killed them off.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2023, 10:52:26 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 06, 2023, 10:10:57 AM
None of you are ever going to get the better of Davel.  And that's a fact.

That's probably because whatever his name is can't even understand why he was wrong. I wonder if Wolters is ever going to produce a photo of Madeleine tying her to Brueckner or is that conviction of Mr Gray's wrong also?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2023, 10:58:50 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 10:42:10 AM
As i said...my post would go right over your head. I explained why they didnt.

The portuguese court accepted a lie as a proven fact..the ECHR dont question the findings of the national court..even if theyre total bo77ocks as in this case

The ECHR are there to decide if a nation breached someone's human rights. That often involves examining and disagreeing with the findings of that nation's courts surely?

Germany's courts may decide that Wolters didn't breach Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence, but if the matter progresses to the ECHR they may disagree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2023, 11:03:47 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2023, 10:52:26 AM
That's probably because whatever his name is can't even understand why he was wrong. I wonder if Wolters is ever going to produce a photo of Madeleine tying her to Brueckner or is that conviction of Mr Gray's wrong also?

You are much more wronger about everything.

As for photographs, please don't imagine that any of us will get to see them, even if there are any.  Some evidence is never shown beyond The Courts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2023, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 06, 2023, 11:03:47 AM
You are much more wronger about everything.

As for photographs, please don't imagine that any of us will get to see them, even if there are any.  Some evidence is never shown beyond The Courts.

Well, there just aren't any, so no need to waste time thinking about that. Unless one enjoys imagining Maddie pornography I suppose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2023, 11:22:17 AM


Well anyway, I believe the MET know where Madeleine is & have her under surveillance. They are just waiting until she reaches the right age when she can legally be rescued.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2023, 10:58:50 AM
The ECHR are there to decide if a nation breached someone's human rights. That often involves examining and disagreeing with the findings of that nation's courts surely?

Germany's courts may decide that Wolters didn't breach Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence, but if the matter progresses to the ECHR they may disagree.

You are confirming your lack of understanding... The ECHR look at the facts... I still don't understand how the presence of cadaver odour in 5a became a proven fact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 11:55:49 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 06, 2023, 10:50:22 AM
Yet you argued that they would not lose.

I didn't factor in the Portuguese courts presenting lies as proven facts... I don't think anyone would expect that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 06, 2023, 12:01:30 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 11:53:08 AM
You are confirming your lack of understanding... The ECHR look at the facts... I still don't understand how the presence of cadaver odour in 5a became a proven fact

You are completely off topic. I will answer you on the appropriate thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 06, 2023, 03:49:58 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 06, 2023, 12:01:30 PM
You are completely off topic. I will answer you on the appropriate thread.

Unable to answer Mr Grays (Davels) point are you, Gunit ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2023, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 10:32:44 AM
I see you are limited by your intelligence to not being able to make a sensible reply.....you cannot counter one word Ive said....that shows your claim to intelligence as being rather weak

My firm opinion based on observation is that mccann sceptics are incapable of cogent thought or argument.  The unexpected advent of a suspect who ticks all the boxes in the profile investigators have long thought probable (eg Raymond Hewlitt ~ SNIP Yesterday Bild newspaper, Germany's biggest, reported that Hewlett admitted seeing Madeleine twice and described the mark in her right eye. The report is understood to be based on 'police sources' in Germany.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191094/Paedophile-Raymond-Hewlett-admits-I-saw-Madeleine-McCann-twice-disappeared.html) as Brueckner does, definitely appears to have upset their equilibrium somewhat.

There is little doubt sceptics have lost the argument of falsehoods they have built up over the years regarding Madeleine's family.

Logically the existence of a police suspect like Bruekner invalidates the "proven facts" of mccann sceptic inventiveness, making it impossible for them to engage in anything approaching meaningful debate to counter anything you are saying.  Unfortunately logic was never the driving force for them so I don't think intelligence was ever their issue; more a lack of humanity and common sense as much of their nonsensical posts attest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on February 06, 2023, 04:58:16 PM
I know there isn't much happening at the moment in this case guys but please keep comments and replies respectful at all times. TY
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2023, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: Brietta on February 06, 2023, 04:22:25 PM
My firm opinion based on observation is that mccann sceptics are incapable of cogent thought or argument.  The unexpected advent of a suspect who ticks all the boxes in the profile investigators have long thought probable (eg Raymond Hewlitt ~ SNIP Yesterday Bild newspaper, Germany's biggest, reported that Hewlett admitted seeing Madeleine twice and described the mark in her right eye. The report is understood to be based on 'police sources' in Germany.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191094/Paedophile-Raymond-Hewlett-admits-I-saw-Madeleine-McCann-twice-disappeared.html) as Brueckner does, definitely appears to have upset their equilibrium somewhat.

There is little doubt sceptics have lost the argument of falsehoods they have built up over the years regarding Madeleine's family.

Logically the existence of a police suspect like Bruekner invalidates the "proven facts" of mccann sceptic inventiveness, making it impossible for them to engage in anything approaching meaningful debate to counter anything you are saying.  Unfortunately logic was never the driving force for them so I don't think intelligence was ever their issue; more a lack of humanity and common sense as much of their nonsensical posts attest.

Well get back to us sceptics when the new prime suspect is charged, won't you dear.
It shouldn't be much longer now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on February 06, 2023, 05:00:46 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 06, 2023, 11:55:49 AM
I didn't factor in the Portuguese courts presenting lies as proven facts... I don't think anyone would expect that

Really?  I think you are being just a tad naive David.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2023, 05:05:28 PM
The existence of the new prime suspect demolishes all the sceptic theories.

"It's over for sceptics lol, Wolters has solved the case"

An esteemed supporter once wrote.

Only, it's 2 years on, & still no charges in sight for Brueckner. None in the foreseeable future.

Get back to us when guys. Not much longer now!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 06, 2023, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: John on February 06, 2023, 05:00:46 PM
Really?  I think you are being just a tad naive David.

John, sorry, but Davel is correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 07, 2023, 07:21:53 AM
Quote from: John on February 06, 2023, 05:00:46 PM
Really?  I think you are being just a tad naive David.
It gets a little frustrating when posters with a lack of knowledge criticise me.... Have a look at proven facts 5 and 6...i think that's the correct number.. In the SC judgement
Then tell me what you think. Lies in the SC judgement is the only reasonable description of them... Same thing happened in the Cipriano trial. Its most odd... Most most odd
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 07, 2023, 07:27:13 AM
Quote from: John on February 06, 2023, 04:58:16 PM
I know there isn't much happening at the moment in this case guys but please keep comments and replies respectful at all times. TY
I hadn't posted for some time.. When I look I see that gunit.. As a moderator... In a totally off topic post decided to make baseless allegations against me. I agree with you and even spam.. Let's have an adult discussion.. No sniping
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 07, 2023, 08:02:21 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 07, 2023, 07:27:13 AM
I hadn't posted for some time.. When I look I see that gunit.. As a moderator... In a totally off topic post decided to make baseless allegations against me. I agree with you and even spam.. Let's have an adult discussion.. No sniping

No matter how much you argue it's a fact that your predictions about the conclusions of the ECHR were wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 07, 2023, 08:12:52 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 07, 2023, 08:02:21 AM
No matter how much you argue it's a fact that your predictions about the conclusions of the ECHR were wrong.

You seem determined to want to avoid any discussion on the way the judgement was arrived at......It take thats because you cannot challenge the facts Ive presented. My expalnation shows a thorough understanding of ECHR law.....no one else here including you has shown any.

Im helping my daughter with her GCSE maths...it says  show all your working..
If there are 4 marks for a question..

Student one shows all workng,  a thorough understanding but gives the wrong answer at the final step and gets 3 marks

student 2 just puts down the answer...1 mark

A very clever analogy from me


explain the reference to the alerts in the proven facts... you cant

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on February 07, 2023, 09:15:49 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 07, 2023, 08:12:52 AM
You seem determined to want to avoid any discussion on the way the judgement was arrived at......It take thats because you cannot challenge the facts Ive presented. My expalnation shows a thorough understanding of ECHR law.....no one else here including you has shown any.

Im helping my daughter with her GCSE maths...it says  show all your working..
If there are 4 marks for a question..

Student one shows all workng,  a thorough understanding but gives the wrong answer at the final step and gets 3 marks

student 2 just puts down the answer...1 mark

A very clever analogy from me


explain the reference to the alerts in the proven facts... you cant

You seem determined to post off topic.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 07, 2023, 09:17:26 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 07, 2023, 09:15:49 AM
You seem determined to post off topic.

And so do you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 07, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on February 07, 2023, 09:15:49 AM
You seem determined to post off topic.

do you think so...have another look.

I originally posted  a reply to you on this thread....you took it off topic..
Then i replied to  a post by John...John took it off topic..

your cognitive bias is weighing heavily today
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 07, 2023, 09:35:15 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 07, 2023, 08:12:52 AM
You seem determined to want to avoid any discussion on the way the judgement was arrived at......It take thats because you cannot challenge the facts Ive presented. My expalnation shows a thorough understanding of ECHR law.....no one else here including you has shown any.

Im helping my daughter with her GCSE maths...it says  show all your working..
If there are 4 marks for a question..

Student one shows all workng,  a thorough understanding but gives the wrong answer at the final step and gets 3 marks

student 2 just puts down the answer...1 mark

A very clever analogy from me


explain the reference to the alerts in the proven facts... you cant

You're supposed understanding of case law at the ECHR showed you were lacking then as now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 07, 2023, 10:06:23 AM
Quote from: barrier on February 07, 2023, 09:35:15 AM
You're supposed understanding of case law at the ECHR showed you were lacking then as now.

The mccanns lost because there are lies in the proven facts... Do you not understand
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on February 07, 2023, 01:38:03 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on February 07, 2023, 10:06:23 AM
The mccanns lost because there are lies in the proven facts... Do you not understand

Which court proved these "lies" you refer to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on February 07, 2023, 04:59:13 PM
Quote from: barrier on February 07, 2023, 01:38:03 PM
Which court proved these "lies" you refer to.

If you haven't followed annd understood so far... Its pointless explaining anymore
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 04, 2023, 06:49:36 AM
The latest re. Julia Faustyna

One of the reasons Julia thought it was Madeleine McCann, according to her representative, was that SHE RECOGNIZED THE FACE OF CHRISTIAN BRÜCKNER, who was named by the German authorities as the prime suspect in the British girl's disappearance.

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-03-03/young-women-who-claims-to-be-maddie-mccann-might-be-another-missing-girl/75365
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 04, 2023, 08:14:59 AM
Quote from: Anthro on March 04, 2023, 06:49:36 AM
The latest re. Julia Faustyna

One of the reasons Julia thought it was Madeleine McCann, according to her representative, was that SHE RECOGNIZED THE FACE OF CHRISTIAN BRÜCKNER, who was named by the German authorities as the prime suspect in the British girl's disappearance.

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-03-03/young-women-who-claims-to-be-maddie-mccann-might-be-another-missing-girl/75365

Yeah, I think we can safely take anything this whack job has to say with a mighty dose of salt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 04, 2023, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on March 04, 2023, 08:14:59 AM
Yeah, I think we can safely take anything this whack job has to say with a mighty dose of salt.

Listen  ... and look at what she says ... do not dismiss her so cruelly.

I wonder how you would behave had you experienced what it appears she has ?



I don't think that she is Madeleine and really do not know about her being Livia Schepp, but whilst there is any doubt, she is on the back burner as far as I am concerned.   


FGS, WS, show a little compassion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 04, 2023, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: sadie on March 04, 2023, 11:49:46 AM
Listen  ... and look at what she says ... do not dismiss her so cruelly.

I wonder jow you would behave had you experienced what it appears she has ?



I don't think that she is Madeleine and really do not know about her being Livia Schepp, but whilst there is any doubt, she is on the back burner as far as I am concerned.   


FGS, WS, show a little compassion.

I think her story should be checked out and a sure fire way of doing that is DNA.  But you are right Sadie, whatever the circumstances are the whole situation has to be dealt with compassionately.

I think it was mrswah who posted that future situations of missing persons have to be treated positively.  There will be hundreds of wrong calls but who would like to be the person who overlooks a right one through a culture of  innate prejudice.

To coin a "whatabout all the other ..." scenario.
Julia will not be the last person to wonder about themselves, and Madeleine will not be the last missing child taking up media attention.  And sometimes missing children have survived to adulthood, so everything should be addressed with an open mind until a conclusion is arrived at.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 04, 2023, 02:09:55 PM
Quote from: sadie on March 04, 2023, 11:49:46 AM
Listen  ... and look at what she says ... do not dismiss her so cruelly.

I wonder how you would behave had you experienced what it appears she has ?



I don't think that she is Madeleine and really do not know about her being Livia Schepp, but whilst there is any doubt, she is on the back burner as far as I am concerned.   


FGS, WS, show a little compassion.

I reserve all my compassion for Christian Brueckner, thankyou.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on March 04, 2023, 03:17:14 PM
Wot? no charges this year, means OG will get another 12 months of funding one supposes.Caveat brit press.


Madeleine McCann police admit suspect Christian Brueckner won't be charged this year
Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner won't be charged this year, according to German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters who admits "it’s going to take a lot longer"


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-admit-suspect-29371161
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 04, 2023, 05:12:35 PM
Quote from: barrier on March 04, 2023, 03:17:14 PM
Wot? no charges this year, means OG will get another 12 months of funding one supposes.Caveat brit press.


Madeleine McCann police admit suspect Christian Brueckner won't be charged this year
Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner won't be charged this year, according to German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters who admits "it’s going to take a lot longer"


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-admit-suspect-29371161

Wot? no charges for the aggravated rape case the Portuguese Judicial police side stepped leaving the BKA to get justice for the victim.
 Revealed: Luxury villa where new Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner raped a 72-year-old US tourist is just a ten minute walk from apartment where the toddler vanished 18 months later
Christian Brueckner, 43, broke into the secluded home two years before the three-year-old went missing 
The villa, called Casa Jacaranda, is just a ten-minute walk from the Ocean Village apartments in Portugal

 Christian Brueckner broke into the secluded home two years before Maddie went missing from her family's apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz.

A 72-year-old American woman was tortured and raped by Brueckner who filmed the savage attack. He was jailed last year for seven years by a German court after DNA evidence linked him to the assault.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html

A couple of points for your consideration
For a change reserve your contempt for the guardians of law and order who actually are making a difference to those who appear to be indifferent to the crimes happening in their jurisdiction.  Your ill directed contempt  for British SY and the German BKA, who did the PJ's job for them by removing a real and present danger to women and children out of harms way for a time.  And who are at present working on five cold case crimes also directed against women and children and which likewise were not addressed by the PJ.

That the BKA continue to work on Madeleine's case is to their credit particularly as they are obviously picking up so many cold Portuguese failures in the process of doing so.

The thing is that your posts ridiculing efficient and conscientious investigation which is all as a result of PJ failure and the saddest thing of all is that you fail to see how you are highlighting and reminding readers of that fact.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 30, 2023, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 04, 2023, 05:12:35 PM
Wot? no charges for the aggravated rape case the Portuguese Judicial police side stepped leaving the BKA to get justice for the victim.
 Revealed: Luxury villa where new Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner raped a 72-year-old US tourist is just a ten minute walk from apartment where the toddler vanished 18 months later
Christian Brueckner, 43, broke into the secluded home two years before the three-year-old went missing 
The villa, called Casa Jacaranda, is just a ten-minute walk from the Ocean Village apartments in Portugal

 Christian Brueckner broke into the secluded home two years before Maddie went missing from her family's apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz.

A 72-year-old American woman was tortured and raped by Brueckner who filmed the savage attack. He was jailed last year for seven years by a German court after DNA evidence linked him to the assault.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html

A couple of points for your consideration
  • there was nothing obvious linking Brueckner to the woman he raped
  • the Judicial police didn't build any sort of case against the rapist - in fact it took the German police to perform that diligence many years after the event during their search for evidence relating to Madeleine's case.

For a change reserve your contempt for the guardians of law and order who actually are making a difference to those who appear to be indifferent to the crimes happening in their jurisdiction.  Your ill directed contempt  for British SY and the German BKA, who did the PJ's job for them by removing a real and present danger to women and children out of harms way for a time.  And who are at present working on five cold case crimes also directed against women and children and which likewise were not addressed by the PJ.

That the BKA continue to work on Madeleine's case is to their credit particularly as they are obviously picking up so many cold Portuguese failures in the process of doing so.

The thing is that your posts ridiculing efficient and conscientious investigation which is all as a result of PJ failure and the saddest thing of all is that you fail to see how you are highlighting and reminding readers of that fact.

the Judicial police didn't build any sort of case against the rapist - in fact it took the German police to perform that diligence many years after the event during their search for evidence relating to Madeleine's case.

The PJ had no evidence Brueckner could have been the rapist. To be fair here.
It was only when Busching & the other crook found the rape tapes, that any connection to Brueckner could be made. No super sleuthing was involved. Just blind old luck for the German police really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on March 30, 2023, 04:54:45 PM
Quote from: barrier on March 04, 2023, 03:17:14 PM
Wot? no charges this year, means OG will get another 12 months of funding one supposes.Caveat brit press.


Madeleine McCann police admit suspect Christian Brueckner won't be charged this year
Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner won't be charged this year, according to German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters who admits "it’s going to take a lot longer"


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-admit-suspect-29371161

Does anyone honestly believe - he is ever going to get charged?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 30, 2023, 06:16:58 PM
Quote from: kizzy on March 30, 2023, 04:54:45 PM
Does anyone honestly believe - he is ever going to get charged?
Yes
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on March 30, 2023, 06:51:29 PM
Quote from: kizzy on March 30, 2023, 04:54:45 PM
Does anyone honestly believe - he is ever going to get charged?

I think he will be charged eventually, but only when they have enough evidence for conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 31, 2023, 01:05:42 AM
Quote from: Lace on March 30, 2023, 06:51:29 PM
I think he will be charged eventually, but only when they have enough evidence for conviction.

If charged, I think that the charge will be diferrent to that expected by most.

There are reasons that I believe that Madeleine still lives.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 31, 2023, 03:56:24 AM
Quote from: Lace on March 30, 2023, 06:51:29 PM
I think he will be charged eventually, but only when they have enough evidence for conviction.

I really cannot fathom the ersatz angst being promoted about this.  Brueckner isn't going anywhere for the time being while he serves his time for drug offences and aggravated rape, so what's the rush.

There is also the fact that there is a hold up in the charges for serious and aggravated crimes which Brueckner does face as his legal team argues on procedure concerning his trial venue.

As soon as charges are laid against Brueckner for crimes against Madeleine his shit hot legal team will under German law, have access to every single shred of evidence, every witness and every piece of intelligence the prosecutors hold against him.

My opinion is that German prosecutors already have sufficient evidence to indict him but since they are not obliged to share, they won't.  And why would they since he probably would not face trial until the courts have cleared the present list of offences.  That could be some time away as argument continues about where any trial featuring Brueckner as the accused will depend on exactly where he will be tried, which is quite difficult due to his peripatetic lifestyle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 31, 2023, 07:32:06 AM

There is also the question of Concurrent or Consecutive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 31, 2023, 08:56:37 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 31, 2023, 03:56:24 AM
I really cannot fathom the ersatz angst being promoted about this.  Brueckner isn't going anywhere for the time being while he serves his time for drug offences and aggravated rape, so what's the rush.

There is also the fact that there is a hold up in the charges for serious and aggravated crimes which Brueckner does face as his legal team argues on procedure concerning his trial venue.

As soon as charges are laid against Brueckner for crimes against Madeleine his shit hot legal team will under German law, have access to every single shred of evidence, every witness and every piece of intelligence the prosecutors hold against him.

My opinion is that German prosecutors already have sufficient evidence to indict him but since they are not obliged to share, they won't.  And why would they since he probably would not face trial until the courts have cleared the present list of offences.  That could be some time away as argument continues about where any trial featuring Brueckner as the accused will depend on exactly where he will be tried, which is quite difficult due to his peripatetic lifestyle.

If you're ever left wondering why, this time next year, the year after, & the year after that, why Brueckner still hasn't been charged at all, I'll happily explain to you why that is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on March 31, 2023, 01:50:12 PM
Quote from: Lace on March 30, 2023, 06:51:29 PM
I think he will be charged eventually, but only when they have enough evidence for conviction.

enough evidence for conviction.

Which could be never...as it obviously seems.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on March 31, 2023, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: kizzy on March 31, 2023, 01:50:12 PM

enough evidence for conviction.

Which could be never...as it obviously seems.

Wolters wants to have enough evidence to guarantee a conviction...there's no rush
More than 12 months ago papers were reporting CB wouldnt be charged with the Behan rape..now he's being charged with 3 and 2 paedo offences the PJ failed to prosecute
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 31, 2023, 03:04:13 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on March 31, 2023, 02:56:49 PM
Wolters wants to have enough evidence to guarantee a conviction...there's no rush
More than 12 months ago papers were reporting CB wouldnt be charged with the Behan rape..now he's being charged with 3 and 2 paedo offences the PJ failed to prosecute

Yes, charged with offences that are totally unrelated to Madeleine's disappearance.
But do remember to get back to me when Bruckner is charged with Madeleine's murder, won't you. It shouldn't be much longer now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on March 31, 2023, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: Mr Gray on March 31, 2023, 02:56:49 PM
Wolters wants to have enough evidence to guarantee a conviction...there's no rush
More than 12 months ago papers were reporting CB wouldnt be charged with the Behan rape..now he's being charged with 3 and 2 paedo offences the PJ failed to prosecute

Yes, and in my opinion, it seems he used Maddie for worldwide publicity.

Job done as they say....he HCW got what he wanted out of it .....it seems.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 31, 2023, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: kizzy on March 31, 2023, 05:15:58 PM
Yes, and in my opinion, it seems he used Maddie for worldwide publicity.

Job done as they say....he HCW got what he wanted out of it .....it seems.

Amaral put Brueckner's name well and truly into the public domain long before anyone had heard of Herr Wolters.

Wonder why he did that and exactly what he wanted out of doing that job.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on March 31, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 31, 2023, 05:30:12 PM
Amaral put Brueckner's name well and truly into the public domain long before anyone had heard of Herr Wolters.

Wonder why he did that and exactly what he wanted out of doing that job.

We're not on about Ameral...........are we.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 31, 2023, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: kizzy on March 31, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
We're not on about Ameral...........are we.

I find that truth hurts and your post indicates exactly how much it does ;)

It is indisputable that Brueckner was introduced to the public domain by Amaral ~ using in the first instance the vehicle of a Saunokonoko podcast.  So if anyone is making hay out of indiscretion perhaps it might be worthwhile considering what the primary source actually is.

As I said no-one had heard of Herr Wolters until he found himself having to mop up the Amaral forte of giving confidential information about an active investigation to the press.  Well, a guy's got to make a living however underhand it may be.

New German suspect for the Madeleine McCann case was predicted by Goncalo Amaral 14 months ago
Mark Saunokonoko (Maddie Podcast): 14 months ago, in April 2019, Goncalo Amaral told me British police were "preparing the end of the investigation, with a German paedophile who is in prison right now" and the prisoner "is probably going to be the scapegoat for the case."

April 30, 2019 Article for 9news.com.au:

A German paedophile who UK police are preparing to target as the man who abducted and possibly killed missing girl Madeleine McCann is not the real culprit, according to an explosive theory outlined by the Portuguese detective who once led the 2007 case.

Goncalo Amaral made the allegation that the German child sex offender – who is known to authorities - would become the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation in a remarkable interview on Maddie, nine.com.au's podcast exploring the disappearance of Madeleine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/gw5nsq/new_german_suspect_for_the_madeleine_mccann_case/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 01, 2023, 12:36:10 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 31, 2023, 05:30:12 PM
Amaral put Brueckner's name well and truly into the public domain long before anyone had heard of Herr Wolters.

Wonder why he did that and exactly what he wanted out of doing that job.

Quote
Wonder why he did that and exactly what he wanted out of doing that job.

What an interesting question Brie.

I can think of no reason why he (Amaral) did it, can anyone?

Because there appears to be no sensible reason why he would do it, Yep, it seems like it could be a JOB and paid for by the perpetrator, or the organisation the perp works for/ leads



Why?

To deflect the interest in him (perp)/ them ?  To take the pressure off the organisation?
To attempt to cause Bruckner to take the blame ?
To spread the thought that Madeleine is no longer living?   
                                                                            So drop the investigation?

If Madeleine is legally 'found' to be dead, incorrect tho' it will be, then nobody will look for Madeleine and the culprits will be safe.  'High and Dry' 


Madeleine lives

All in my opinion.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 01, 2023, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: sadie on April 01, 2023, 12:36:10 AM
What an interesting question Brie.

I can think of no reason why he did it, can anyone?

Because there appears to be no sensible reason why he would do it, Yep, it seems like it could be a JOB and paid for by the perpetrator, or the organisation the perp works for/ leads



Why?

To deflect the interest in him (perp)/ them ?  To take the pressure off the organisation?
To attempt to cause Bruckner to take the blame ?
To spread the thought that Madeleine is no longer living?   
                                                                            So drop the investigation?

If Madeleine is legally 'found' to be dead, incorrect tho' it will be, then nobody will look for Madeleine and the culprits will be safe.  'High and Dry' 


Madeleine lives

All in my opinion.

Perhaps you should tell Wolters he's got it wrong, Sadie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on April 01, 2023, 10:50:53 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 31, 2023, 09:14:17 PM
I find that truth hurts and your post indicates exactly how much it does ;)

It is indisputable that Brueckner was introduced to the public domain by Amaral ~ using in the first instance the vehicle of a Saunokonoko podcast.  So if anyone is making hay out of indiscretion perhaps it might be worthwhile considering what the primary source actually is.

As I said no-one had heard of Herr Wolters until he found himself having to mop up the Amaral forte of giving confidential information about an active investigation to the press.  Well, a guy's got to make a living however underhand it may be.

New German suspect for the Madeleine McCann case was predicted by Goncalo Amaral 14 months ago
Mark Saunokonoko (Maddie Podcast): 14 months ago, in April 2019, Goncalo Amaral told me British police were "preparing the end of the investigation, with a German paedophile who is in prison right now" and the prisoner "is probably going to be the scapegoat for the case."

April 30, 2019 Article for 9news.com.au:

A German paedophile who UK police are preparing to target as the man who abducted and possibly killed missing girl Madeleine McCann is not the real culprit, according to an explosive theory outlined by the Portuguese detective who once led the 2007 case.

Goncalo Amaral made the allegation that the German child sex offender – who is known to authorities - would become the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation in a remarkable interview on Maddie, nine.com.au's podcast exploring the disappearance of Madeleine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/gw5nsq/new_german_suspect_for_the_madeleine_mccann_case/

I find that truth hurts and your post indicates exactly how much it does ;)

Why on earth should [your truth]  hurt me ....in what way.

Do you know the truth then......I think not.

Does he name CB.......I also think not.

The truth is ...how do you know he meant CB
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 01, 2023, 11:23:07 AM
Quote from: kizzy on April 01, 2023, 10:50:53 AM

I find that truth hurts and your post indicates exactly how much it does ;)

Why on earth should [your truth]  hurt me ....in what way.

Do you know the truth then......I think not.

Does he name CB.......I also think not.

The truth is ...how do you know he meant CB

Brietta knows the truth. She knows Madeleine was abducted, somehow. She'll never explain how though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 01, 2023, 03:02:49 PM

The BKA Investigate.  The Prosecutors Prosecute.  It's quite simple really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 01, 2023, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 01, 2023, 03:02:49 PM
The BKA Investigate.  The Prosecutors Prosecute.  It's quite simple really.

Yeah, they are stumped on the investigation side of things though, hence the lack of prosecution. But maybe next year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 01, 2023, 04:03:22 PM

Hopefully when the five charges already held against Brueckner are tried in Court he will go down for rather a long time.  Possibly twenty or even thirty years.  In which case he won't be in a position for anyone to worry about what he might get up to next.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 01, 2023, 04:09:25 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 01, 2023, 04:03:22 PM
Hopefully when the five charges already held against Brueckner are tried in Court he will go down for rather a long time.  Possibly twenty or even thirty years.  In which case he won't be in a position for anyone to worry about what he might get up to next.

We'll just have to wait and see. Some time later this year, maybe
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 01, 2023, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 01, 2023, 04:09:25 PM
We'll just have to wait and see. Some time later this year, maybe

Yeah, he's probably screwed on all the raping & molesting charges. He's getting clean away with murdering Maddie, as things stand though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 01, 2023, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 01, 2023, 04:09:25 PM
We'll just have to wait and see. Some time later this year, maybe

It doesn't matter about when for now.  Brueckner won't be getting out any time soon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 01, 2023, 06:27:15 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 01, 2023, 04:09:25 PM
We'll just have to wait and see. Some time later this year, maybe

Possibly or possibly not.  It all appears to depend on deciding in which jurisdiction in Germany he will be tried in. 

When the indictments were served quite obviously the prosecution was ready to go to trial with them.

I think when all else appears hopeless defence lawyers play for time.  One tactic is going for a change of venue on legal grounds which is what Brueckner's legal team is doing on his behalf and it looks like he is following their advice. 
The argument is taking time and it is to seek the best possible advantage for one side or the other.

Interference with that legal process would impinge on Brueckner's legal rights.  So I am afraid everyone's hands are tied (much as Brueckner's victim's were and very much as his alleged victim's claims hers were) all impatience must be set aside and the legal process will take as long as it will take.

I think the delay is nothing to do with the prosecution and all to do with Brueckner's legal team doing what they are paid to do and that is to represent him.  Not in any old court but in one of their choosing ~ and therein lies the delay.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 01, 2023, 08:27:38 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 01, 2023, 10:00:34 AM
Perhaps you should tell Wolters he's got it wrong, Sadie.

Gunit, you have deliberately misconstrued my post.      You knew I was talking about Amaral but twisted it to look lik I was talking about CB


Shame on you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on April 01, 2023, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: sadie on April 01, 2023, 08:27:38 PM
Gunit, you have deliberately misconstrued my post.      You knew I was talking about Amaral but twisted it to look lik I was talking about CB


Shame on you.

You said Madeleine lives. Don't you think Wolters needs to know that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 02, 2023, 10:34:49 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 01, 2023, 09:25:55 PM
You said Madeleine lives. Don't you think Wolters needs to know that?

You really don't appear to keep up with recent and current events if your post is anything to go by ;(

Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE, admits German prosecutor in U-turn as he confirms there is no forensic evidence to show she is dead
Hans Wolters said there 'may be a little bit of hope' that Madeleine is alive
Previous assertion that Madeleine was 'killed quickly' was only 'speculation'
Officials had earlier said that they were convinced Madeleine is no longer alive
Prosecutors also said they knew how she died but had no idea where her body is

By HARRY HOWARD FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 22:36, 13 June 2020


Madeleine McCann could still be alive, according to the German prosecutor who previously suggested she was likely to be dead.

In comments which could ignite fresh hopes for Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry that their daughter may be alive, prosecutor Hans Wolters said there was no forensic evidence to say she is dead.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418077/Madeleine-McCann-ALIVE-admits-German-prosecutor.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 02, 2023, 10:51:30 PM

Did not Brueckner tell someone that he had a horrible job to do on the next day?  He can hardly have been talking about killing Madeleine, can he?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 02, 2023, 11:41:53 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on April 01, 2023, 09:25:55 PM
You said Madeleine lives. Don't you think Wolters needs to know that?

Maybe he knows already.   Maybe SY have finally shared their reasinings with the BKA?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 02, 2023, 11:46:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 02, 2023, 10:51:30 PM
Did not Brueckner tell someone that he had a horrible job to do on the next day?  He can hardly have been talking about killing Madeleine, can he?
And am I remembering properly, did he say that there was a lot of money invoved?   A big pay off?   
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 03, 2023, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: sadie on April 02, 2023, 11:46:09 PM
And am I remembering properly, did he say that there was a lot of money invoved?   A big pay off?   
Please correct me if I am wrong.

The term, "Job to do". infers that money is involved.

I am more at ease with Brueckner abducting Madeleine for money than I am with Brueckner killing Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 03, 2023, 12:05:12 AM
Quote from: sadie on April 02, 2023, 11:46:09 PM
And am I remembering properly, did he say that there was a lot of money invoved?   A big pay off?   
Please correct me if I am wrong.

The term, "Job to do". infers that money is involved.

I am more at ease with Brueckner abducting Madeleine for money than I am with Brueckner killing Madeleine.  And if he did abduct her then photographs could have been in order to prove that he had done it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on April 03, 2023, 12:33:24 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 03, 2023, 12:01:39 AM
The term, "Job to do". infers that money is involved.

I am more at ease with Brueckner abducting Madeleine for money than I am with Brueckner killing Madeleine.

Me too, Elli.   

If he is involved then I think it was only for a paid abduction, then  possibly driving her across PT and Spain to try and meet up with interested parties and finally behanded over to The Victoria Beckham look alike.   There is a trail of interesting sighting places  (with certain connections that I have noticed) across middle/northern Portugal towards Barcelona.   There is another interesting sighting on the Spanish coast south of Barcelona.  This also appears to have similar certain connections.

I think that immediately prior to the abduction, CB also said that he would be away for a time.  Do you remember that Elli?   Anyone ?   If that is misremembered, please correct me.   This hypothesis must be based only on the truth (the real truth as we know it)



I have not researched this in the depth that I normally do and would be grateful for any considered help or constructive criticism.   Gunit, you are good at that.  Anything that you can add?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 27, 2023, 10:07:07 AM
The chief suspect answers back...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12128039/Sinister-letters-drawings-Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-revealed.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12128039/Sinister-letters-drawings-Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-revealed.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 27, 2023, 11:06:17 AM
Brueckner's letter enlarged, attached...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 27, 2023, 05:47:18 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 27, 2023, 11:06:17 AM
Brueckner's letter enlarged, attached...
Jeez, who can be bothered to read all that?  It started to make me go cross-eyed.  Is be trying to out HCW btw?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 27, 2023, 06:19:01 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on May 27, 2023, 05:47:18 PM
Jeez, who can be bothered to read all that?  It started to make me go cross-eyed.  Is be trying to out HCW btw?
There might be a secret message hidden in there about the burial spot.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 27, 2023, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 27, 2023, 06:19:01 PM
There might be a secret message hidden in there about the burial spot.

Let us know if you find it.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on May 27, 2023, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on May 27, 2023, 05:47:18 PM
Jeez, who can be bothered to read all that?  It started to make me go cross-eyed.  Is be trying to out HCW btw?

Looks like it. Or maybe he's just stating a known fact.

Not that it has any bearing on the case (unless Breukener's rantings are to be taken literally).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on May 27, 2023, 11:40:54 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on March 30, 2023, 08:19:02 AM
the Judicial police didn't build any sort of case against the rapist - in fact it took the German police to perform that diligence many years after the event during their search for evidence relating to Madeleine's case.

The PJ had no evidence Brueckner could have been the rapist. To be fair here.
It was only when Busching & the other crook found the rape tapes, that any connection to Brueckner could be made. No super sleuthing was involved. Just blind old luck for the German police really.

Sadly no DNA from the newly named [alledged] abductor/murderer in the apartment, what rotten luck!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 22, 2023, 05:03:21 PM
Hazel Behan waiting defiantly for her time in court to achieve justice...

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-woman-allegedly-raped-madeleine-30295301 (https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-woman-allegedly-raped-madeleine-30295301)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 30, 2023, 07:23:32 AM
More repetition, but I suppose it will fill a gap in the meantime...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12247177/Madeleine-McCann-key-witness-speaks-time.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12247177/Madeleine-McCann-key-witness-speaks-time.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2023, 09:39:05 AM
Quote from: Myster on June 30, 2023, 07:23:32 AM
More repetition, but I suppose it will fill a gap in the meantime...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12247177/Madeleine-McCann-key-witness-speaks-time.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12247177/Madeleine-McCann-key-witness-speaks-time.html)

He phoned SY in 2008 but they never got back to him. Oh dear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 30, 2023, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2023, 09:39:05 AM
He phoned SY in 2008 but they never got back to him. Oh dear.

SY were not operational in Madeleine's case in 2008.

The protocol was that all information received was transferred to the PJ.  At the time Ricardo Paiva was in charge of that side of events.

In 2010 it was discovered that Paiva had files containing all such information sent to him to files marked "Not Relevant to the Inquiry",  So if anyone is saying "Oh Dear" it certainly is not SY who only opened their case on Madeleine in 2013.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 30, 2023, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 30, 2023, 09:59:54 AM
SY were not operational in Madeleine's case in 2008.

The protocol was that all information received was transferred to the PJ.  At the time Ricardo Paiva was in charge of that side of events.

In 2010 it was discovered that Paiva had files containing all such information sent to him to files marked "Not Relevant to the Inquiry",  So if anyone is saying "Oh Dear" it certainly is not SY who only opened their case on Madeleine in 2013.

And The PJ plonks it again.  What a sorry tale.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2023, 10:31:17 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 30, 2023, 09:59:54 AM
SY were not operational in Madeleine's case in 2008.

The protocol was that all information received was transferred to the PJ.  At the time Ricardo Paiva was in charge of that side of events.

In 2010 it was discovered that Paiva had files containing all such information sent to him to files marked "Not Relevant to the Inquiry",  So if anyone is saying "Oh Dear" it certainly is not SY who only opened their case on Madeleine in 2013.

SY opened their investigation in 2013, but still didn't follow up on Buschings information? Not until 2017 when he called them again? Like I said. Oh Dear.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2023, 10:32:40 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on June 30, 2023, 10:23:39 AM
And The PJ plonks it again.  What a sorry tale.

I wouldn't worry about it Dear. Brueckner didn’t do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 30, 2023, 11:47:38 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 30, 2023, 09:59:54 AM
SY were not operational in Madeleine's case in 2008.

The protocol was that all information received was transferred to the PJ.  At the time Ricardo Paiva was in charge of that side of events.

In 2010 it was discovered that Paiva had files containing all such information sent to him to files marked "Not Relevant to the Inquiry",  So if anyone is saying "Oh Dear" it certainly is not SY who only opened their case on Madeleine in 2013.

SY weren't, but the British arm of the invesrigation overseen by LP certainly were.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 30, 2023, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2023, 11:47:38 AM
SY weren't, but the British arm of the invesrigation overseen by LP certainly were.

What difference does this make?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 30, 2023, 05:18:11 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2023, 11:47:38 AM
SY weren't, but the British arm of the invesrigation overseen by LP certainly were.
when did that part cease to be operational then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 30, 2023, 06:31:55 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on June 30, 2023, 11:47:38 AM
SY weren't, but the British arm of the invesrigation overseen by LP certainly were.

British arm of the investigation?  Please elucidate.  Not forgetting cites.  Thank you
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 30, 2023, 10:49:45 PM
Quote from: Myster on June 30, 2023, 07:23:32 AM
More repetition, but I suppose it will fill a gap in the meantime...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12247177/Madeleine-McCann-key-witness-speaks-time.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12247177/Madeleine-McCann-key-witness-speaks-time.html)

It appears that the German police also ignored Busching. Such an unlucky man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 01, 2023, 01:27:49 AM

Let's not forget that there are Five Charges pending, some of which Brueckner is very likely to be found guilty.  This will keep him off the streets for a while longer which is my main concern for now.
Sadly, The McCanns will have to wait yet again.

Brueckner is dangerous, whichever way you care to look at it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 01, 2023, 07:13:48 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on June 30, 2023, 10:49:45 PM
It appears that the German police also ignored Busching. Such an unlucky man.
Oh?  I thought he was central to the Germans case against Bruckner?  And I thought you thought his every move was motivated by self preservation, greed and enrichment so why unlucky?  If you’re to be believed he’s actually done pretty well for himself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 01, 2023, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: Brietta on June 30, 2023, 06:31:55 PM
British arm of the investigation?  Please elucidate.  Not forgetting cites.  Thank you

Although LP led the Gold gtoup which managed the British arm of the investigation, The Metropolitan Police were also involved, along with other agencies such as the NPIA and CEOP. At the time of the Strategic Debrief of Operation task, as it was referred to, LP still had officers working on it. The Debrief is dated 2009.

https://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Strategic-debrief-operation-task-2009.pdf
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 01, 2023, 10:06:25 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 01, 2023, 01:27:49 AM
Let's not forget that there are Five Charges pending, some of which Brueckner is very likely to be found guilty.  This will keep him off the streets for a while longer which is my main concern for now.
Sadly, The McCanns will have to wait yet again.

Brueckner is dangerous, whichever way you care to look at it.

I keep reading this "5 other charges, the McCanns will just have to wait" rubbish.

Can someone explain to me why these 5 unrelated charges should cause a delay before a 6th charge?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 01, 2023, 10:15:20 AM

Maybe the BKA can only manage 5 crimes at a time? Staffing shortage or something. Charging a 6th crime is just too much for them right now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 01, 2023, 10:53:19 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 01, 2023, 01:27:49 AM
Let's not forget that there are Five Charges pending, some of which Brueckner is very likely to be found guilty.  This will keep him off the streets for a while longer which is my main concern for now.
Sadly, The McCanns will have to wait yet again.

Brueckner is dangerous, whichever way you care to look at it.

I think the case against Brueckner has been prejudged by his legal team who will keep it out of court for as long as is humanly possible.  Not on evidence but on procedure of which I'm sure there must be plenty more to be found.

The procedural issue has to be settled before any progress can be made on any criminal proceedings affecting this man.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 01, 2023, 01:44:34 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 01, 2023, 10:53:19 AM
I think the case against Brueckner has been prejudged by his legal team who will keep it out of court for as long as is humanly possible.  Not on evidence but on procedure of which I'm sure there must be plenty more to be found.

The procedural issue has to be settled before any progress can be made on any criminal proceedings affecting this man.

Has he not got at least two more years of his current sentence still to serve?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 01, 2023, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on June 30, 2023, 10:32:40 AM
I wouldn't worry about it Dear. Brueckner didn’t do it.

Well he must have... he said 'wonder why she didn't cry' I mean obviously guilty!?

According to the persistent witness who 'knew ' his character  [as we all know now as well] is convinced he did it on those words.  when discussing this case on another private forum, invite only, Many have asked that same question- did she scream if she was awake if so why didn't anyone hear it...  was murdered in the apartment? was there not a struggle getting out of the window?  hmm makes more than 23 people guilty of 'kidnapping and killing MBM.  The fact none were in PDL at the time is no excuse.

I want him to be guilty and caught and asked the questions we are not allowed to ask or mention on this forum- goading and all that jazz..
Never mind we still have all the evidence from the water searches.. thank goodness.. oh wait...

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 02, 2023, 08:55:40 AM
A lock pick kit and paint solvent... tools of the trade of a master abductor?...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22893975/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-lock-pick-kit/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22893975/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-lock-pick-kit/)

https://www.thmkey.co.uk/product-page/dino-14-lock-pick-set (https://www.thmkey.co.uk/product-page/dino-14-lock-pick-set)

Frightening!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m64TU918LVY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m64TU918LVY)

Even more frightening with 2.3 million views, a comprehensive instruction manual for would-be burglars...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTZddvAws9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTZddvAws9M)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 02, 2023, 03:19:09 PM

Is The State of Germany so large and so separated that all crimes have to be dealt with in designated areas?  And who gets to deal with a crime committed in a foreign country?  Is there some central place for doing this?

Or is Brueckner's Defence Team trying to hold off until Brueckner's time is up and he is loose on the streets again?  Loose to travel in Europe and very hard to keep track of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 02, 2023, 06:58:46 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 01, 2023, 01:44:34 PM
Has he not got at least two more years of his current sentence still to serve?
Yes.
At the rate of knots at which the present issue is proceeding through the courts, he might well be walking the streets which is what his legal reps might be aiming for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2023, 07:02:49 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 02, 2023, 06:58:46 PM
Yes.
At the rate of knots at which the present issue is proceeding through the courts, he might well be walking the streets which is what his legal reps might be aiming for.

A trial dismissed is  a trial won.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 02, 2023, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 02, 2023, 03:19:09 PM
Is The State of Germany so large and so separated that all crimes have to be dealt with in designated areas?  And who gets to deal with a crime committed in a foreign country?  Is there some central place for doing this?

Or is Brueckner's Defence Team trying to hold off until Brueckner's time is up and he is loose on the streets again?  Loose to travel in Europe and very hard to keep track of.

I think that is very much the intention.

On the face of it the residency issue is a bit of a farce.

His registered abode is Braunschweig.  Camping out in a derelict factory with no sanitation really doesn't cut the mustard in contrast.

Maybe the lawyer has been taken for a ride. Maybe this delay suits the prosecution.  We know they still have work to do.  So who knows?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 02, 2023, 07:14:07 PM
Quote from: jassi on July 02, 2023, 07:02:49 PM
A trial dismissed is  a trial won.

My dear Jassi, the fat lady hasn't even started to sing her aria yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 02, 2023, 09:44:27 PM
Free Bhristian Crueckner
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Is it unfair that CB is being prejudged before his trial. His own lawyer has said he'd not let CB look after his children...whyever not
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 03, 2023, 10:51:26 AM
Quote from: Mr Gray on July 03, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Is it unfair that CB is being prejudged before his trial. His own lawyer has said he'd not let CB look after his children...whyever not

He does have previous convictions for child molestation. You can hold that against him. But he must be presumed innocent of dropping his trousers in the playground. He didn't do that until it is proven that he did in a court of law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2023, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 02, 2023, 09:44:27 PM
FREE_BCr
At this moment in time the degenerate is in jail having almost served his time for the sexual abuse of a six year old and the aggravated rape and torture of a seventy two year old woman.

Your puerile attention seeking disgusts no-one  -  but you don't half drag this forum down with you into the depths of depravity.  Which is of course what you antics are all about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 03, 2023, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on July 03, 2023, 10:52:37 AM
At this moment in time the degenerate is in jail having almost served his time for the sexual abuse of a six year old and the aggravated rape and torture of a seventy two year old woman.

Your puerile attention seeking disgusts no-one  -  but you don't half drag this forum down with you into the depths of depravity.  Which is of course what you antics are all about.

I feel sorry for Spammy.  He must be in a bad way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2023, 12:50:03 PM
I've said it before and I've said it again - don't feed it.  Trolls thrive on attention, even negative attention calling them out on their behaviour.  It's what they exist for.  With zero attention they eventually get bored and go elsewhere. Well, that's the theory anyway.... &%54%
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 03, 2023, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on July 03, 2023, 12:50:03 PM
I've said it before and I've said it again - don't feed it.  Trolls thrive on attention, even negative attention calling them out on their behaviour.  It's what they exist for.  With zero attention they eventually get bored and go elsewhere. Well, that's the theory anyway.... &%54%

But they still go on posting rubbish regardless of whether or not they are ignored.  Thank God that we've only got one Troll.  Or at least I think we've only got one.

Meanwhile, onwards and upwards.  A Trial on those Five Charges will happen eventually, somewhere in Germany.

But Breuckner's Legal Team are not allowed to lie In Court.  They have to believe in his innocence.  This is looking dodgy at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 05, 2023, 07:55:36 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 03, 2023, 04:33:44 PM
But they still go on posting rubbish regardless of whether or not they are ignored.  Thank God that we've only got one Troll.  Or at least I think we've only got one.

Meanwhile, onwards and upwards.  A Trial on those Five Charges will happen eventually, somewhere in Germany.

But Breuckner's Legal Team are not allowed to lie In Court.  They have to believe in his innocence.  This is looking dodgy at the moment.

There's no guarantee that the five charges will be continued with by other prosecutors in another area. Also, lawyers don't have to believe their clients are innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 05, 2023, 09:04:50 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 05, 2023, 07:55:36 AM
There's no guarantee that the five charges will be continued with by other prosecutors in another area. Also, lawyers don't have to believe their clients are innocent.

One wonders why the implied hope that Brueckner - rapist and child abuser - might not face trial for all or any of the crimes against women and children for which he was charged.

This is decidedly not a nice guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 05, 2023, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 05, 2023, 07:55:36 AM
There's no guarantee that the five charges will be continued with by other prosecutors in another area. Also, lawyers don't have to believe their clients are innocent.

Wrong on both counts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2023, 09:24:12 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 05, 2023, 09:04:50 AM
One wonders why the implied hope that Brueckner - rapist and child abuser - might not face trial for all or any of the crimes against women and children for which he was charged.

This is decidedly not a nice guy.
It’s quite sickening the way they’re all obviously rooting for him to avoid these latest charges (though no doubt G-Unit will deny it).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 05, 2023, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 05, 2023, 09:05:43 AM
Wrong on both counts.

Prove it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 05, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 05, 2023, 09:39:27 AM
Prove it.

Don't be silly.  I don't have to prove anything that is subject to Common Sense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2023, 10:23:54 AM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 05, 2023, 09:39:27 AM
Prove it.
AS I understand it lawyers have to believe that there is a possibility that their client is innocent, it is an offence for them to mount a not guilty defence knowing that their client is guilty.  If Bruckner confessed to murdering Madeleine to his lawyer, then his lawyer could not put forward a not guilty plea for murder though he might try a not guilty plea for abduction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 05, 2023, 10:37:45 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2023, 10:23:54 AM
AS I understand it lawyers have to believe that there is a possibility that their client is innocent, it is an offence for them to mount a not guilty defence knowing that their client is guilty.  If Bruckner confessed to murdering Madeleine to his lawyer, then his lawyer could not put forward a not guilty plea for murder though he might try a not guilty plea for abduction.

A Defence Lawyer cannot stand In Court and say that the client is Not Guilty when the Lawyer knows that they are.  This is a fact of Law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 05, 2023, 12:31:47 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2023, 09:24:12 AM
It’s quite sickening the way they’re all obviously rooting for him to avoid these latest charges (though no doubt G-Unit will deny it).

Yes well, it's not about rooting for him to dodge any charges ..is it.

I myself are not the least bit interested in what happens to CB ...he is one of many in this world.

Its nothing to do with if he goes to trial for other stuff.

The main interest should be is was he involved in what happened to Maddie.

It should be about Maddie....and a hell of a lot of people think he is not involved in that.

Or any evidence to show he is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 05, 2023, 12:49:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 05, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
Don't be silly.  I don't have to prove anything that is subject to Common Sense.

What is silly is making 'factual' statements which are not factual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 05, 2023, 12:59:57 PM
Quote from: G-Unit on July 05, 2023, 12:49:45 PM
What is silly is making 'factual' statements which are not factual.

My statement was factual.  You questioned it so you prove otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2023, 01:54:16 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 05, 2023, 12:31:47 PM
Yes well, it's not about rooting for him to dodge any charges ..is it.

I myself are not the least bit interested in what happens to CB ...he is one of many in this world.

Its nothing to do with if he goes to trial for other stuff.

The main interest should be is was he involved in what happened to Maddie.

It should be about Maddie....and a hell of a lot of people think he is not involved in that.

Or any evidence to show he is.
so you couldn’t give a stuff if the rapes and child abuse he is accused of go unpunished, all you care about is what happened to Maddie.  OK then, got it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 05, 2023, 02:47:37 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on July 05, 2023, 01:54:16 PM
so you couldn’t give a stuff if the rapes and child abuse he is accused of go unpunished, all you care about is what happened to Maddie.  OK then, got it.

Can you explain why she should care? A German national commits a bunch of crimes in Portugal, & Kizzy, whom as far as I can gather is both English & lives in England. She should care about that because...?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on July 05, 2023, 06:06:42 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 05, 2023, 12:59:57 PM
My statement was factual.  You questioned it so you prove otherwise.

Vertigo Swirl answered above. If a lawyer  knows his client is guilty because his client told him so then entering a plea of not guilty is perjury.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 06, 2023, 06:18:09 AM
Get your brickbats, rotten tomatoes and overflowing pisspots ready to throw, everyone... except of course - trolls, the hard of thinking and Bash'em Bashford clones...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewCnomUyEQg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewCnomUyEQg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 06, 2023, 06:49:14 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 06, 2023, 06:18:09 AM
Get your brickbats, rotten tomatoes and overflowing pisspots ready to throw, everyone... except of course - trolls, the hard of thinking and Bash'em Bashford clones...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewCnomUyEQg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewCnomUyEQg)

A bit too early in the morning for me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 06, 2023, 07:03:15 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on July 06, 2023, 06:49:14 AM
A bit too early in the morning for me.
Rest easy, you'll need a couple of pooch's paracetamols after watching it anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 06, 2023, 08:19:43 AM
Quote from: Myster on July 06, 2023, 07:03:15 AM
Rest easy, you'll need a couple of pooch's paracetamols after watching it anyway.

That made me laugh.  But I suppose someone will have to take the bits.  Otherwise they could finish up in the compost bin which might not be frightfully environmentally friendly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 06, 2023, 10:59:09 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 05, 2023, 02:47:37 PM
Can you explain why she should care? A German national commits a bunch of crimes in Portugal, & Kizzy, whom as far as I can gather is both English & lives in England. She should care about that because...?

Thanks, the perfect answer saves me from responding to a silly question.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 06, 2023, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on July 06, 2023, 06:18:09 AM
Get your brickbats, rotten tomatoes and overflowing pisspots ready to throw, everyone... except of course - trolls, the hard of thinking and Bash'em Bashford clones...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewCnomUyEQg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewCnomUyEQg)

I had to stop watching it my blood pressure was rising.  She makes me sick the way she tries to trivialise everything.  The woman should be ashamed of herself.   He was a criminal too she says,  yes but CB didn't just rob and steal did he you stupid woman.   His ex friend saw what sort of person he was,  he himself was a thief but  not a rapist or a paedophile.     She seems to think this is ok.   It depends how he said 'she did not scream' doesn't it?   If he said it in a way that he was hinting that he knew she didn't scream,  which I wouldn't put past him as he is a boaster and had a job to keep anything he did to himself.   This ex friend knew him and would know vwhat he was hinting at.    It comes as no surprise to me he would have a lock picking kit.  Holiday makers said they were robbed even when they locked their doors.  A man came in abusing children when the doors were locked.  If Amaral was any kind of detective he would have looked into that,  instead of just saying there was no evidence he came in through the window.   She is so angry that the police are looking into CB when she has written a book saying the McCann's did it,  she doesn't want to look a fool if CB is actually guilty.   Plugging her book every time she has a chance.  Go away you silly woman you sound deranged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 06, 2023, 12:22:29 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 06, 2023, 12:02:59 PM
I had to stop watching it my blood pressure was rising.  She makes me sick the way she tries to trivialise everything.  The woman should be ashamed of herself.   He was a criminal too she says,  yes but CB didn't just rob and steal did he you stupid woman.   His ex friend saw what sort of person he was,  he himself was a thief but  not a rapist or a paedophile.     She seems to think this is ok.   It depends how he said 'she did not scream' doesn't it?   If he said it in a way that he was hinting that he knew she didn't scream,  which I wouldn't put past him as he is a boaster and had a job to keep anything he did to himself.   This ex friend knew him and would know vwhat he was hinting at.    It comes as no surprise to me he would have a lock picking kit.  Holiday makers said they were robbed even when they locked their doors.  A man came in abusing children when the doors were locked.  If Amaral was any kind of detective he would have looked into that,  instead of just saying there was no evidence he came in through the window.   She is so angry that the police are looking into CB when she has written a book saying the McCann's did it,  she doesn't want to look a fool if CB is actually guilty.   Plugging her book every time she has a chance.  Go away you silly woman you sound deranged.

fs, how deranged is that post..talk about tunnel vision.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on July 06, 2023, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 06, 2023, 12:22:29 PM
fs, how deranged is that post..talk about tunnel vision.

This comment is insulting.  Please don't do this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on July 06, 2023, 01:09:42 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 06, 2023, 12:22:29 PM
fs, how deranged is that post..talk about tunnel vision.

You have tunnel vision.   Anything else you'd like to say relevant to the forum?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 06, 2023, 05:36:39 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 06, 2023, 10:59:09 AM
Thanks, the perfect answer saves me from responding to a silly question.
Why do you care about Maddie?  Or is the truth you don’t actually care about any of this,  you just enjoy slagging off her parents.  Be truthful now!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 06, 2023, 05:43:05 PM
Quote from: Lace on July 06, 2023, 12:02:59 PM
I had to stop watching it my blood pressure was rising.  She makes me sick the way she tries to trivialise everything.  The woman should be ashamed of herself.   He was a criminal too she says,  yes but CB didn't just rob and steal did he you stupid woman.   His ex friend saw what sort of person he was,  he himself was a thief but  not a rapist or a paedophile.     She seems to think this is ok.   It depends how he said 'she did not scream' doesn't it?   If he said it in a way that he was hinting that he knew she didn't scream,  which I wouldn't put past him as he is a boaster and had a job to keep anything he did to himself.   This ex friend knew him and would know vwhat he was hinting at.    It comes as no surprise to me he would have a lock picking kit.  Holiday makers said they were robbed even when they locked their doors.  A man came in abusing children when the doors were locked.  If Amaral was any kind of detective he would have looked into that,  instead of just saying there was no evidence he came in through the window.   She is so angry that the police are looking into CB when she has written a book saying the McCann's did it,  she doesn't want to look a fool if CB is actually guilty.   Plugging her book every time she has a chance.  Go away you silly woman you sound deranged.

How this woman has the cheek to call herself a Criminal Profiler, I shall never know.  She gets almost everything wrong.   No I don't intend going over it all again, but somewhere on this forum I have detailed some of her 'Oh so obvious' mistakes    Of course, they may now have been wiped, but most of you will have read them anyway.

I guess she likes the money and seeing her face on Youtube.

In my opinion the woman is a charlaton.   She comes from Scotland and the Scots are usually so clever.   I think that they must despair at her     
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 06, 2023, 05:44:22 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 06, 2023, 10:59:09 AM
Thanks, the perfect answer saves me from responding to a silly question.
What’s perfect about it?  Do you think it’s silly to care about whether or not the rapist and abuser of women and children holiday makers in a holiday resort  popular with English people is investigated, solved and the perpetrator brought to justice?  Why do you not give a monkey’s about these crimes simply because you’re English and they didn’t happen in England?  Isn’t that a bit silly?  Are you fine with rapes and child abuse going unpunished as long as it doesn’t affect you personally in any way?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 06, 2023, 06:05:26 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on July 06, 2023, 05:44:22 PM
What’s perfect about it?  Do you think it’s silly to care about whether or not the rapist and abuser of women and children holiday makers in a holiday resort  popular with English people is investigated, solved and the perpetrator brought to justice?  Why do you not give a monkey’s about these crimes simply because you’re English and they didn’t happen in England?  Isn’t that a bit silly?  Are you fine with rapes and child abuse going unpunished as long as it doesn’t affect you personally in any way?

Yes. Can you explain why I shouldn't be?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 06, 2023, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 06, 2023, 06:05:26 PM
Yes. Can you explain why I shouldn't be?

So had you been raped and abused as a child, you would be happy that no-one was interested?

Had you been abducted , you would be happy that no-one was interested; no-one was looking for you?   No one interested; let him/her have it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 06, 2023, 06:27:51 PM
If I went around caring about every crime & every victim in every Country in the world, I wouldn't have time to ever do anything else. There are 7 billion plus people on the planet to care about. How much time in the day am I supposed to devote sympathy to each individual victim of crime the world over? And how am I supposed to go about this practice exactly? What do I have to do? Drop to my knees & pray for them all? It all sounds a bit ridiculous to me. No. Just so long as I have no immediate connection to the victim then I couldn't give a toss what the rapist or murderer gets up to really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 06, 2023, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: sadie on July 06, 2023, 06:25:50 PM
So had you been raped and abused as a child, you would be happy that no-one was interested?

Had you been abducted , you would be happy that no-one was interested; no-one was looking for you?   No one interested; let him/her have it
It’s pointless trying to reason with a troll Sadie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on July 06, 2023, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 06, 2023, 06:27:51 PM
If I went around caring about every crime & every victim in every Country in the world, I wouldn't have time to ever do anything else. There are 7 billion plus people on the planet to care about. How much time in the day am I supposed to devote sympathy to each individual victim of crime the world over? And how am I supposed to go about this practice exactly? What do I have to do? Drop to my knees & pray for them all? It all sounds a bit ridiculous to me. No. Just so long as I have no immediate connection to the victim then I couldn't give a toss what the rapist or murderer gets up to really.

Showing yourself up some more.


When you wish to, you think outside the box quite well, better than many .   You could have tried some lateral thinking and maybe found important facts as I did to help find missing people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 06, 2023, 06:51:34 PM
Quote from: sadie on July 06, 2023, 06:42:41 PM
Showing yourself up some more.


When you wish to, you think outside the box quite well, better than many .   You could have tried some lateral thinking and maybe found important facts as I did to help find missing people.
trolls don’t care about anything or anyone but themselves and gain enjoyment from hurting or upsetting  others.
These are not people to waste time on, seriously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 06, 2023, 06:58:23 PM
Ok, I give in. I really am deeply sorry for all victims of crimes that have ever happened at any time anywhere on planet earth. I'm particularly sorry for all victims of crime where the perpetrator wasn't brought to justice.
There. That's better. Although, I'm not really sure what difference that makes to anything, in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 06, 2023, 07:21:01 PM

Anyway. All I care about right now is that Christian Brueckner be presumed innocent. Is everyone remembering to presume Brueckner innocent today?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2023, 09:10:59 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 06, 2023, 07:21:01 PM
Anyway. All I care about right now is that Christian Brueckner be presumed innocent. Is everyone remembering to presume Brueckner innocent today?

Hasn’t he been arrested yet?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 06, 2023, 09:37:59 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on July 06, 2023, 09:10:59 PM
Hasn’t he been arrested yet?
Haven’t you got a psychopathic murderer to be defending elsewhere?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on July 07, 2023, 06:53:46 AM
Two BILD videos of Helge Busching's interview with Kai Feldhaus (replete with dodgy English subtitles)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6POG9UQjP_c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6POG9UQjP_c)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wv_p_kcguQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wv_p_kcguQ)

And a lengthy, plodding interpretation of same by "body language experts", if you're into this kind of hocus-pocus/pseudo-analysis...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRMP1yeSweQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRMP1yeSweQ)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 08, 2023, 12:53:01 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on July 06, 2023, 05:44:22 PM
What’s perfect about it?  Do you think it’s silly to care about whether or not the rapist and abuser of women and children holiday makers in a holiday resort  popular with English people is investigated, solved and the perpetrator brought to justice?  Why do you not give a monkey’s about these crimes simply because you’re English and they didn’t happen in England?  Isn’t that a bit silly?  Are you fine with rapes and child abuse going unpunished as long as it doesn’t affect you personally in any way?

My first answer is sufficient enough.

Without you turning it into gossip over the garden fence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on July 09, 2023, 01:00:49 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on July 06, 2023, 09:37:59 PM
Haven’t you got a psychopathic murderer to be defending elsewhere?
Far, far too busy defending an alleged one wherever.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2023, 08:13:10 AM
Quote from: kizzy on July 08, 2023, 12:53:01 PM
My first answer is sufficient enough.

Without you turning it into gossip over the garden fence.
What a bizarre comment.  What gossip are you referring to?  I asked you some direct questions which either you didn’t understand or are unable to answer honestly. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on July 10, 2023, 11:49:31 AM
Quote from: Brietta on July 09, 2023, 01:00:49 AM
Far, far too busy defending an alleged one wherever.

Didn’t realise that you were so interested in my movements. I’m truly touched.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on July 10, 2023, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on July 09, 2023, 08:13:10 AM
What a bizarre comment.  What gossip are you referring to?  I asked you some direct questions which either you didn’t understand or are unable to answer honestly.

Ok, Ok, I'll carry it on.

Why should I care about what happens to CB....I do not believe he has anything to do with Maddie.


He is one of many thousands around the world whom I am sure will get his just deserts.

So why do you and others like to imply there is something more sinister in your posts. tut tut


ps I don't have to answer your direct questions either..... I'm not on a quiz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 10, 2023, 04:37:25 PM
Quote from: kizzy on July 10, 2023, 01:14:03 PM
Ok, Ok, I'll carry it on.

Why should I care about what happens to CB....I do not believe he has anything to do with Maddie.


He is one of many thousands around the world whom I am sure will get his just deserts.

So why do you and others like to imply there is something more sinister in your posts. tut tut


ps I don't have to answer your direct questions either..... I'm not on a quiz.
unable to answer honestly it is then, right o.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on August 11, 2023, 06:28:00 AM
Nothing new here, just another video to pass the time... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14fOXybJNqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14fOXybJNqE)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 11, 2023, 07:44:59 AM
Quote from: Myster on August 11, 2023, 06:28:00 AM
Nothing new here, just another video to pass the time... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14fOXybJNqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14fOXybJNqE)

Martin Brunt there giving credence to the idea that Wolters is bluffing about the concrete evidence. Supporters must think he's barking mad  *%87
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on August 16, 2023, 08:46:48 AM
https://youtu.be/14fOXybJNqE

Interesting comments from the barrister about prejudicial reporting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 16, 2023, 09:16:02 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on August 16, 2023, 08:46:48 AM
https://youtu.be/14fOXybJNqE

Interesting comments from the barrister about prejudicial reporting.
already posted two posts above yours, do keep up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on August 16, 2023, 12:18:10 PM

Well, at least we haven't completely died as a Forum.

Does anyone know if Gunit is okay.  I am getting a bit worried.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on August 16, 2023, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 16, 2023, 12:18:10 PM
Well, at least we haven't completely died as a Forum.

Does anyone know if Gunit is okay.  I am getting a bit worried.
No idea but I’m probably the last person she would confide in.  She’s not posted on here or Websleuths for a month so either she’s lost interest or is unable to post for whatever reason.   This forum is as good as dead now anyway, so she’s not missed anything. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on August 16, 2023, 05:36:35 PM
Everything seems to be in limbo at the moment.  I think the German courts may be having their summer recess so I wouldn't think there will be much going on till they resume.

I know the prosecutors are contesting the jurisdiction claim.  If the court dismisses the appeal they will take it to a higher court,  So the potential is there for it to drag on for a bit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 16, 2023, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 06, 2023, 06:27:51 PM
If I went around caring about every crime & every victim in every Country in the world, I wouldn't have time to ever do anything else. There are 7 billion plus people on the planet to care about. How much time in the day am I supposed to devote sympathy to each individual victim of crime the world over? And how am I supposed to go about this practice exactly? What do I have to do? Drop to my knees & pray for them all? It all sounds a bit ridiculous to me. No. Just so long as I have no immediate connection to the victim then I couldn't give a toss what the rapist or murderer gets up to really.

lol the pearl clutching, hand wringing dontcha love em...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 16, 2023, 06:30:13 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 06, 2023, 06:58:23 PM
Ok, I give in. I really am deeply sorry for all victims of crimes that have ever happened at any time anywhere on planet earth. I'm particularly sorry for all victims of crime where the perpetrator wasn't brought to justice.
There. That's better. Although, I'm not really sure what difference that makes to anything, in the grand scheme of things.
It has saved thousands of lives so far... will check in again later to see how many more lives it saved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 16, 2023, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on August 16, 2023, 12:18:10 PM
Well, at least we haven't completely died as a Forum.

Does anyone know if Gunit is okay.  I am getting a bit worried.

There are other forums where lively exchanges of theories are encouraged  even allowed to enter you thoughts ! Imagine that!  without being 'cancelled 'blocked and bullied by over zealos mods.

That is what will kill this forum!  a lot of people have been driven out, can't be bothered pandering to the 'little'people mind set.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 16, 2023, 06:40:40 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on July 06, 2023, 09:10:59 PM
Hasn’t he been arrested yet?

Oh he will be  just as soon as they have hard evidence to present to court.

things which can convict him. EVIDENCE
1. he was in PDL  tick
2 he knew he was in a holiday area  tick
3 knew how to get  to the building   tick
4 dodgy witness statements

The McCanns  EVIDENCE
1. WERE in PDL  tick
2 knew it was in a holiday area  tick
3 knew how to get  to the building, both front and back   tick
4 dodgy witness statements






Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 08, 2024, 07:37:45 AM
Truth or BS?...

https://news.sky.com/story/plot-to-kidnap-child-hatched-a-week-before-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-13066078 (https://news.sky.com/story/plot-to-kidnap-child-hatched-a-week-before-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-13066078)

More on Ken Ralphs...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/informant-left-high-and-dry-by-police-1115320 (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/informant-left-high-and-dry-by-police-1115320)

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-were-sorry-for-witness-blunder-1107307 (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-were-sorry-for-witness-blunder-1107307)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/apr/16/ukcrime.claredyer (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/apr/16/ukcrime.claredyer)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 08, 2024, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 08, 2024, 07:37:45 AM
Truth or BS?...

https://news.sky.com/story/plot-to-kidnap-child-hatched-a-week-before-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-13066078 (https://news.sky.com/story/plot-to-kidnap-child-hatched-a-week-before-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-13066078)

More on Ken Ralphs...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/informant-left-high-and-dry-by-police-1115320 (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/informant-left-high-and-dry-by-police-1115320)

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-were-sorry-for-witness-blunder-1107307 (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-were-sorry-for-witness-blunder-1107307)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/apr/16/ukcrime.claredyer (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/apr/16/ukcrime.claredyer)

It was always an option derided by some and hoped for by many. If part of his story is true as reported in the press at the time; why would he add lies about Brueckner and the kidnap of a child to the mix? the crux of the matter would be if his original statement to the police regarding the kidnapping is on record somewhere..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 08, 2024, 02:36:05 PM
Martin Brunt interview with Ken Ralphs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFRsfqtLM70&ab_channel=SkyNews (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFRsfqtLM70&ab_channel=SkyNews)

Ken Ralphs' police statement (small part)...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 08, 2024, 03:00:32 PM
It's getting frenetic!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s-px6oV4WY&ab_channel=60MinutesAustralia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s-px6oV4WY&ab_channel=60MinutesAustralia)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 09, 2024, 07:16:43 AM
Former MetPD Peter Bleksley on the latest news...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQZTsHdZE0k&ab_channel=TalkTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQZTsHdZE0k&ab_channel=TalkTV)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 09, 2024, 09:24:41 AM
Cumbria Police refute claims of having information relating to Madeline McCann’s disappearance
by Cumbria Crack  08/02/2024 in Headlines, News
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A man’s claims that he gave Workington police information that could be related to Madeline McCann’s disappearance has been refuted by Cumbria Constabulary.

Ken Ralphs, a former UK political campaigner, told Sky News that Christian B, the German drifter suspected of abducting Madeleine, tried to recruit a mutual friend to help find a youngster to sell to a childless couple – one week before Madeline disappeared.


He claimed that when he heard about Madeline McCann’s disappearance from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve in 2007, that he travelled three hours from his father’s house in the UK to a Workington police station to report what he knew.

He further claimed he made police aware of a ‘secret map’ leading to the location of where Mr Ralph’s mutual friend was living in remote woodlands in Southwest Portugal.

He also alleged that he told police the information had to be immediately sent to Portuguese police.

Mr Ralphs met the mutual friend while living in Portugal and claimed that on his return to the Algarve he informed local police of his story again and was allegedly told Portuguese detectives knew nothing about it.

A spokesman for Cumbria Constabulary said: “There is no record on any of the Constabulary systems relating to information relating to this case being provided to police in Workington.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 11, 2024, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 08, 2024, 03:00:32 PM
It's getting frenetic!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s-px6oV4WY&ab_channel=60MinutesAustralia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s-px6oV4WY&ab_channel=60MinutesAustralia)

Continued... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkx_FEWwt-E&ab_channel=60MinutesAustralia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkx_FEWwt-E&ab_channel=60MinutesAustralia)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on February 14, 2024, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 09, 2024, 09:24:41 AM
Cumbria Police refute claims of having information relating to Madeline McCann’s disappearance
by Cumbria Crack  08/02/2024 in Headlines, News
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A man’s claims that he gave Workington police information that could be related to Madeline McCann’s disappearance has been refuted by Cumbria Constabulary.

Ken Ralphs, a former UK political campaigner, told Sky News that Christian B, the German drifter suspected of abducting Madeleine, tried to recruit a mutual friend to help find a youngster to sell to a childless couple – one week before Madeline disappeared.


He claimed that when he heard about Madeline McCann’s disappearance from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve in 2007, that he travelled three hours from his father’s house in the UK to a Workington police station to report what he knew.

He further claimed he made police aware of a ‘secret map’ leading to the location of where Mr Ralph’s mutual friend was living in remote woodlands in Southwest Portugal.

He also alleged that he told police the information had to be immediately sent to Portuguese police.

Mr Ralphs met the mutual friend while living in Portugal and claimed that on his return to the Algarve he informed local police of his story again and was allegedly told Portuguese detectives knew nothing about it.

A spokesman for Cumbria Constabulary said: “There is no record on any of the Constabulary systems relating to information relating to this case being provided to police in Workington.

Wouldn't you think....this is either.


1/  Taking the pee.

2/  Grasping at straws.

3/  Scraping the already empty barrel.

Maddie was the oldest of the group...so why her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 14, 2024, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: kizzy on February 14, 2024, 02:21:58 PM
Wouldn't you think....this is either.


1/  Taking the pee.

2/  Grasping at straws.

3/  Scraping the already empty barrel.

Maddie was the oldest of the group...so why her.
I don’t set much store by the allegations tbh.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 15, 2024, 12:41:01 PM
Wish I knew what he looked like...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-to-go-on-trial-for-rapes-and-sexual-assaults-13071759 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-to-go-on-trial-for-rapes-and-sexual-assaults-13071759)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 15, 2024, 07:34:18 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 15, 2024, 12:41:01 PM
Wish I knew what he looked like...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-to-go-on-trial-for-rapes-and-sexual-assaults-13071759 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-to-go-on-trial-for-rapes-and-sexual-assaults-13071759)

And yet lower down the page there is a  link to another article with a full face picture  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 15, 2024, 09:10:15 PM

I don't suppose we will hear much tomorrow, short of some sort of Plea; if he even offers one.

I'm still on the fence about the murder of Madeleine, although Abduction does sound possible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 15, 2024, 10:48:55 PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13089485/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-mocks-police.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 16, 2024, 06:53:52 AM
Brunty getting some overtime in, including a couple of grainy b&w crime scene photos of the Hazel Behan case. Blink and you'll miss 'em...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmTyyUFHfh4&ab_channel=SkyNews (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmTyyUFHfh4&ab_channel=SkyNews)

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-was-a-loner-but-never-acted-suspiciously-13072317 (https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-was-a-loner-but-never-acted-suspiciously-13072317)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 16, 2024, 07:07:59 AM
And some more from Peter Bleksley & Co... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLSfgeAS7I&ab_channel=TalkTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLSfgeAS7I&ab_channel=TalkTV)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 16, 2024, 08:32:05 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13090971/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-arrives-court-unrelated-sex-assault-trial-finally-begins-Germany.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 16, 2024, 09:03:09 AM
Spottyman's pockmarks?...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 16, 2024, 09:25:03 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 16, 2024, 08:32:05 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13090971/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-arrives-court-unrelated-sex-assault-trial-finally-begins-Germany.html

Just a little media bias  ?{)(**

"His beady blue eyes could be seen peering out between the bars crisscrossing the vehicle's windows before he was hauled out and marched past a clamouring crowd of some 40 journalists toward the courthouse in handcuffs by three burly security guards. "
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 16, 2024, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 09:03:09 AM
Spottyman's pockmarks?...

Yes!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 16, 2024, 09:34:05 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/christian-b-suspect-in-madeleine-mccanns-disappearance-appears-in-court-accused-of-unrelated-sex-offences-13072804

Trying everything he can.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 16, 2024, 09:38:40 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 16, 2024, 09:34:05 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/christian-b-suspect-in-madeleine-mccanns-disappearance-appears-in-court-accused-of-unrelated-sex-offences-13072804

Trying everything he can.

And why not ? He has nothing to lose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on February 16, 2024, 10:16:14 AM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 09:03:09 AM
Spottyman's pockmarks?...

I still wonder about that as well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on February 16, 2024, 10:22:17 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 16, 2024, 09:25:03 AM
Just a little media bias  ?{)(**

"His beady blue eyes could be seen peering out between the bars crisscrossing the vehicle's windows before he was hauled out and marched past a clamouring crowd of some 40 journalists toward the courthouse in handcuffs by three burly security guards. "

Nick Pisa still can't help relying on his tabloid drop-down menu of evocative adjectives. *rolls eyes*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on February 16, 2024, 10:27:26 AM
A few more details?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-bruecker-german-court-rape-charges/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 10:55:43 AM
Quote from: Carana on February 16, 2024, 10:16:14 AM
I still wonder about that as well.

Didn’t the eyewitness also describe the man she saw as ‘very ugly’?

Brueckner is certainly a lot of things but I don’t think that ugly is one of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 16, 2024, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 10:55:43 AM
Didn’t the eyewitness also describe the man she saw as ‘very ugly’?

Brueckner is certainly a lot of things but I don’t think that ugly is one of them.
Not exactly a George Clooney doppelganger, is he?...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 16, 2024, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 10:55:43 AM
Didn’t the eyewitness also describe the man she saw as ‘very ugly’?

Brueckner is certainly a lot of things but I don’t think that ugly is one of them.

He had acne all over his face to a child that is ugly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 16, 2024, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 11:19:36 AM
Not exactly a George Clooney doppelganger, is he?...

That doesn't make him ugly and the description dates from an alleged sighting in 2007, not what he looks like now.
 I dare say most of us have deteriorated in looks over the last decade and a half.  8(8-))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 02:41:17 PM
Quote from: Lace on February 16, 2024, 11:33:06 AM
He had acne all over his face to a child that is ugly.

Perhaps and if it was Brueckner she saw then as a resident of the area it would not be unusual for him to be in the vicinity.

I wonder if they’ve asked Miss Silence if Bruckner is the man she saw? He certainly looks nothing like the efit image that was constructed with her cooperation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on February 16, 2024, 05:05:34 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 10:55:43 AM
Didn’t the eyewitness also describe the man she saw as ‘very ugly’?

Brueckner is certainly a lot of things but I don’t think that ugly is one of them.



Personally, I wouldn't have described him as ugly, either, based on photos taken at around that time. But hardly swoon material, either.

I find that a problem with non-verbatim statements is that it's never very clear what the witness actually said, as opposed to what the police officer summarized.

Perhaps the man she saw did have pimples / acne, or depending on the sunlight when she saw him, she may have noticed an uneven facial complexion. The man she saw may, or may not, have been CB.

There are other details about what she remembered him wearing. No idea if those details have been cross-checked with anyone who met him on a regular basis.

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 16, 2024, 05:12:31 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 02:41:17 PM
Perhaps and if it was Brueckner she saw then as a resident of the area it would not be unusual for him to be in the vicinity.

I wonder if they’ve asked Miss Silence if Bruckner is the man she saw? He certainly looks nothing like the efit image that was constructed with her cooperation.
Such as loitering around and reccying 5A for a potential burglary, as one would with nothing else to do?

Two witnesses - a British tourist who described the man she saw as being very ugly, with pitted skin and a large nose, and Tasmin Sillence who said the man had pimples on his face and looked ugly...

https://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY?si=n8p_VMJUwRMBwuQt&t=95 (https://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY?si=n8p_VMJUwRMBwuQt&t=95)

If Brueckner ever comes to trial for MM's abduction, could be that both give evidence in Braunschweig.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 16, 2024, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 05:12:31 PM
Such as loitering around and reccying 5A for a potential burglary, as one would with nothing else to do?

Two witnesses - a British tourist who described the man she saw as being very ugly, with pitted skin and a large nose, and Tasmin Sillence who said the man had pimples on his face and looked ugly...

https://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY?si=n8p_VMJUwRMBwuQt&t=95 (https://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY?si=n8p_VMJUwRMBwuQt&t=95)

If Brueckner ever comes to trial for MM's abduction, could be that both give evidence in Braunschweig.

What would their testimony have to offer, beyond the fact that they saw someone who may or may not have been Bruekner in PDL around that time.
What he might have been doing would be pure conjecture on the part of the witness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 16, 2024, 05:40:21 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 16, 2024, 05:34:48 PM
What would their testimony have to offer, beyond the fact that they saw someone who may or may not have been Bruekner in PDL around that time.
What he might have been doing would be pure conjecture on the part of the witness.
Every little helps, no matter how tenuous.  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 05:41:54 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 05:12:31 PM
Such as loitering around and reccying 5A for a potential burglary, as one would with nothing else to do?

Two witnesses - a British tourist who described the man she saw as being very ugly, with pitted skin and a large nose, and Tasmin Sillence who said the man had pimples on his face and looked ugly...

https://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY?si=n8p_VMJUwRMBwuQt&t=95 (https://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY?si=n8p_VMJUwRMBwuQt&t=95)

If Brueckner ever comes to trial for MM's abduction, could be that both give evidence in Braunschweig.

Reccying 5a or being a bit nosey looking over the wall of the first apartment in the block? We might never know.

BTW do you think that Brueckner looks anything like the efit produced from the description of the witnesses above? Further if any of the witnesses who saw men in and about 5a are called to give evidence in any trial for Madeleine’s abduction which witnesses would be called because every sighting had similarities to Brueckner
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 05:40:21 PM
Every little helps, no matter how tenuous.  8((()*/

Every little does help…to perpetrate a miscarriage of justice.

Experts already agree that Brueckner will never be able to have a fair trial and much of the blame for that can be laid directly at the feet of the chatty German prosecutor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 16, 2024, 05:51:21 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 05:40:21 PM
Every little helps, no matter how tenuous.  8((()*/

I disagree. Being tenuous, by its very nature, makes it unreliable.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 16, 2024, 05:57:51 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 05:41:54 PM
Reccying 5a or being a bit nosey looking over the wall of the first apartment in the block? We might never know.

BTW do you think that Brueckner looks anything like the efit produced from the description of the witnesses above? Further if any of the witnesses who saw men in and about 5a are called to give evidence in any trial for Madeleine’s abduction which witnesses would be called because every sighting had similarities to Brueckner
You say it doesn't, others say there is a slight resemblance. I do too even though it's more of a caricature with exaggerated features than an accurate photo-like image.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 16, 2024, 06:22:42 PM

It is possible that no one will ever be tried for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  This would be sad.  But sometimes you have to settle for what you can get.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 05:57:51 PM
You say it doesn't, others say there is a slight resemblance. I do too even though it's more of a caricature with exaggerated features than an accurate photo-like image.

What features do you feel are similar beyond the skin texture?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 16, 2024, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 16, 2024, 06:22:42 PM
It is possible that no one will ever be tried for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  This would be sad.  But sometimes you have to settle for what you can get.

That would be a big fat zero then.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 16, 2024, 06:49:05 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 06:27:56 PM
What features do you feel are similar beyond the skin texture?
Longish face, Nose, Hairstyle, + Height and slim body build. From the latest photos I would think that Brueckner has suffered from facial and neck acne since his youth, with further outbreaks and repeated scarring throughout his life.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 16, 2024, 07:06:50 PM
So maybe he was in PDL around that time. What does that prove ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 16, 2024, 07:33:00 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 16, 2024, 06:43:02 PM
That would be a big fat zero then.  IMO

Let's wait and see what happens at this coming Trial.  He could finish up in prison for life.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 16, 2024, 07:48:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 16, 2024, 07:33:00 PM
Let's wait and see what happens at this coming Trial.  He could finish up in prison for life.

Any conviction of Bruecker for sex crimes in the Algarve does not in any way resolve the MM case.
Wolters opinion of his guilt over MM is of no consequence if he does not bring Bruecker to trial and achieve a conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 07:51:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 16, 2024, 07:33:00 PM
Let's wait and see what happens at this coming Trial.  He could finish up in prison for life.

Let’s hope so…just for something he’s actually done.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 06:49:05 PM
Longish face, Nose, Hairstyle, + Height and slim body build. From the latest photos I would think that Brueckner has suffered from facial and neck acne since his youth, with further outbreaks and repeated scarring throughout his life.

Tasmin Sillence

‘ Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn't Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn't sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.

Does that sound like Brueckner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on February 16, 2024, 08:25:08 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 05:40:21 PM
Every little helps, no matter how tenuous.  8((()*/

I'd be cautious about that.

Person A could have burgled / raped / murdered loads of people in a particular area.

The legal question still remains as to whether Person A burgled / raped / murdered Victim X.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 16, 2024, 08:26:32 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 10:55:43 AM
Didn’t the eyewitness also describe the man she saw as ‘very ugly’?

Brueckner is certainly a lot of things but I don’t think that ugly is one of them.
I was just thinking how hideous he looked in those latest photos, each to their own.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 16, 2024, 08:27:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 07:51:55 PM
Let’s hope so…just for something he’s actually done.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on February 16, 2024, 08:40:10 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 08:03:06 PM
Tasmin Sillence

‘ Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn't Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn't sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.

Does that sound like Brueckner?


What did she actually say?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 16, 2024, 09:02:34 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 08:03:06 PM
Tasmin Sillence

‘ Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn't Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn't sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.

Does that sound like Brueckner?
Sounds like it well could be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: Carana on February 16, 2024, 08:40:10 PM
What did she actually say?

Do you doubt all the statements taken by the police?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 16, 2024, 10:36:34 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 10:05:09 PM
Do you doubt all the statements taken by the police?
I do.  They weren’t recorded, they paraphrased and weren’t verbatim plus they were twice translated.  Huge room for errors, misunderstandings and inaccuracies.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on February 17, 2024, 10:07:36 AM
The original statement (as noted by the PJ):
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P3/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_803.jpg
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P3/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_804.jpg

English translation (which seems accurate):
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

She definitely didn't find him heart-throb material, but that's subjective.

I find it a shame that interviews weren't recorded verbatim, as paraphrasing can leave room for interpretation.


Potential PJ interpretation of whatever she actually said:

He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.

Did she really notice pimples? Would an average 12-year-old girl conclude that "pimples" were due to shaving? Or was she describing her impression of his complexion?

On the second page of her statement, she thought she'd be able to recognize him - so she was shown various photos (presumably of men), but none corresponded.

Question: Was she shown a photo of CB or not? If so and she'd eliminated him, fair enough.

However (as far as I can work out), for some reason, CB seems to have passed under the radar, despite a PJ mugshot of him taken years earlier in response to an extradition request from Germany, apparently for the sexual abuse of a 6-year-old girl.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on February 17, 2024, 10:09:08 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 10:05:09 PM
Do you doubt all the statements taken by the police?

No, but as the statements aren't verbatim, there can be room for misunderstandings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 17, 2024, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: Carana on February 17, 2024, 10:09:08 AM
No, but as the statements aren't verbatim, there can be room for misunderstandings.

Statements are signed as a true representation of what the witness has said both here and in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 17, 2024, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 17, 2024, 02:09:04 PM
Statements are signed as a true representation of what the witness has said both here and in Portugal.
Was Tasmin Sillence fluent in reading written Portuguese?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on February 17, 2024, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 17, 2024, 02:09:04 PM
Statements are signed as a true representation of what the witness has said both here and in Portugal.

That's the theory. Practice can be different.

In her case, I presume she understood and spoke Portuguese (although that's not entirely clear). Even so, I wonder if a 12-year old would have pored over the wording of every word to check for accuracy.

A more likely scenario, IMO, would have been a chat (perhaps after a lengthy wait), notes taken, printed out and handed over with a pen to sign on the dotted line.

Apart from his complexion, she noted quite a few details about what he was wearing. Was that ever checked out?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on February 17, 2024, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 17, 2024, 03:35:22 PM
Was Tasmin Sillence fluent in reading written Portuguese?


I hadn't gone back far enough. She'd spent time in Portugal, but had an interpreter.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P3/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_800.jpg
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 17, 2024, 05:11:50 PM
Quote from: Carana on February 17, 2024, 03:54:32 PM
That's the theory. Practice can be different.

In her case, I presume she understood and spoke Portuguese (although that's not entirely clear). Even so, I wonder if a 12-year old would have pored over the wording of every word to check for accuracy.

A more likely scenario, IMO, would have been a chat (perhaps after a lengthy wait), notes taken, printed out and handed over with a pen to sign on the dotted line.

Apart from his complexion, she noted quite a few details about what he was wearing. Was that ever checked out?

If the process is quite as open to misinterpretation as you believe surely it was unwise for the parents to have the efit displayed prominently on their website? Or did the parents take the details from Miss Sillence herself months after her sighting?

Looking at it in the round I think perhaps you’re right and Miss Sillence’s description shouldn’t have been used in any investigation due to its rather dubious origins.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 17, 2024, 05:19:58 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 17, 2024, 05:11:50 PM
If the process is quite as open to misinterpretation as you believe surely it was unwise for the parents to have the efit displayed prominently on their website? Or did the parents take the details from Miss Sillence herself months after her sighting?

Looking at it in the round I think perhaps you’re right and Miss Sillence’s description shouldn’t have been used in any investigation due to its rather dubious origins.
Why ever not?!!!... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11805709/portuguese-police-ignore-statement-madeleine-mccann/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11805709/portuguese-police-ignore-statement-madeleine-mccann/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 17, 2024, 05:21:03 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 17, 2024, 05:11:50 PM
If the process is quite as open to misinterpretation as you believe surely it was unwise for the parents to have the efit displayed prominently on their website? Or did the parents take the details from Miss Sillence herself months after her sighting?

Looking at it in the round I think perhaps you’re right and Miss Sillence’s description shouldn’t have been used in any investigation due to its rather dubious origins.
That goes for all the original witness statements then, they were all gathered in the same not very professional manner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 17, 2024, 06:11:00 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 17, 2024, 05:19:58 PM
Why ever not?!!!... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11805709/portuguese-police-ignore-statement-madeleine-mccann/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11805709/portuguese-police-ignore-statement-madeleine-mccann/)

His daughter saw the suspect on the balcony of the parent’s apartment. Really?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2024, 06:36:13 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 17, 2024, 06:11:00 PM
His daughter saw the suspect on the balcony of the parent’s apartment. Really?

That is not what the article says.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 17, 2024, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 17, 2024, 05:19:58 PM
Why ever not?!!!... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11805709/portuguese-police-ignore-statement-madeleine-mccann/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11805709/portuguese-police-ignore-statement-madeleine-mccann/)
Faithlilly believes Gordon Sillence is a hustler out to make a quick buck by telling lies to the press.  She has made the accusation repeatedly without providing a shred of evidence to back up her claim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 17, 2024, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 17, 2024, 06:36:13 PM
That is not what the article says.

Apologies….it falsely claimed something different.

‘ She even saw a little girl, believed to be Madeleine, on the balcony being watched by the prowler.’

Nowhere did Miss Sillence say that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 17, 2024, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 17, 2024, 07:00:09 PM
Apologies….it falsely claimed something different.

‘ She even saw a little girl, believed to be Madeleine, on the balcony being watched by the prowler.’

Nowhere did Miss Sillence say that.
When asked she says that she saw Madeleine once, on a day that she cannot indicate, on the balcony where the man was staring at, the first time. She even waved at her because it was a small child, in a caring gesture.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 18, 2024, 07:19:51 AM
Now ya see it, now ya don't!...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26012845/christian-brueckner-surgery-birthmark-madeleine-mccann/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26012845/christian-brueckner-surgery-birthmark-madeleine-mccann/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 18, 2024, 08:03:25 AM
Quote from: Myster on February 18, 2024, 07:19:51 AM
Now ya see it, now ya don't!...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26012845/christian-brueckner-surgery-birthmark-madeleine-mccann/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26012845/christian-brueckner-surgery-birthmark-madeleine-mccann/)
Come on, surely you know that just because he had a prominent birthmark on his thigh removed after the victim claimed to have been raped by someone with a prominent birthmark on his thigh doesn’t mean that he was the rapist! 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 18, 2024, 08:29:44 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 06:27:56 PM
What features do you feel are similar beyond the skin texture?

Look at the photo of him going to court.  Stick a pair of sunglasses on his face.   Nose quite pointed,  chin turned up ears large flat to his head thin lips.  What more do you want?   He wore a leather jacket [CB was known to wear a leather jacket]. He was tall and slim.  Sounds like CB to me. Plus scars due to acne.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 18, 2024, 09:07:33 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 18, 2024, 08:29:44 AM
Look at the photo of him going to court.  Stick a pair of sunglasses on his face.   Nose quite pointed,  chin turned up ears large flat to his head thin lips.  What more do you want?   He wore a leather jacket [CB was known to wear a leather jacket]. He was tall and slim.  Sounds like CB to me. Plus scars due to acne.

But what does any of it prove as regards committing a crime ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 18, 2024, 09:21:19 AM
it proves he was the man staring at the balcony of 5a, so intently he didn't notice anyone passing by.  He was seen not once but twice staring at the balcony.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 18, 2024, 09:32:38 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 18, 2024, 09:21:19 AM
it proves he was the man staring at the balcony of 5a, so intently he didn't notice anyone passing by.  He was seen not once but twice staring at the balcony.

Ok, but how is that useful in forwarding MM's case ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 18, 2024, 10:14:58 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 18, 2024, 08:03:25 AM
Come on, surely you know that just because he had a prominent birthmark on his thigh removed after the victim claimed to have been raped by someone with a prominent birthmark on his thigh doesn’t mean that he was the rapist!

Good God.  I didn't know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 18, 2024, 10:18:45 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 18, 2024, 09:32:38 AM
Ok, but how is that useful in forwarding MM's case ?

We are more interested in the upcoming Trials at the moment.  They could see Brueckner jailed for Life.

Sadly, Madeleine will have to wait, just like all of these people have had to wait.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 18, 2024, 10:35:55 AM
Another sensible discussion with Peter Bleksley & Co, plus the usual tiresome comments from McCann trolls who can't keep their gobs shut...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLSfgeAS7I&ab_channel=TalkTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLSfgeAS7I&ab_channel=TalkTV)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 18, 2024, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 18, 2024, 09:32:38 AM
Ok, but how is that useful in forwarding MM's case ?
It’s one piece of a jigsaw, a piece (presumably together with all the other pieces that help to make up a picture of Madeleine’s probable abductor) you’d prefer remained hidden under the sofa.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 18, 2024, 11:32:11 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 18, 2024, 10:18:45 AM
We are more interested in the upcoming Trials at the moment.  They could see Brueckner jailed for Life.

Sadly, Madeleine will have to wait, just like all of these people have had to wait.

I saw 5-10 years somewhere, so probably not life sentence if correct.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 18, 2024, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 18, 2024, 11:32:11 AM
I saw 5-10 years somewhere, so probably not life sentence if correct.

Ya.  5 for each child molestaton and 10 for each rape.  They are all repeat offences.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 18, 2024, 12:27:04 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 18, 2024, 10:35:55 AM
Another sensible discussion with Peter Bleksley & Co, plus the usual tiresome comments from McCann trolls who can't keep their gobs shut...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLSfgeAS7I&ab_channel=TalkTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLSfgeAS7I&ab_channel=TalkTV)

Apologies I don’t have time to rewatch the video. Is this the video where they say that if Brueckner is ever charged with Madeleine’s abduction he won’t get a fair trial?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 18, 2024, 01:01:45 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 18, 2024, 12:27:04 PM
Apologies I don’t have time to rewatch the video. Is this the video where they say that if Brueckner is ever charged with Madeleine’s abduction he won’t get a fair trial?
Only just seen this, but I don't think it's the one you saw as there's nothing mentioned about having fair trial.  First time I posted the link on here.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 18, 2024, 01:33:35 PM
Isn’t it amazing the concern for Brückner’s right to a fair trial that was never once considered for the McCanns when they were in the frame, completely amazing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on February 18, 2024, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 18, 2024, 01:01:45 PM
Only just seen this, but I don't think it's the one you saw as there's nothing mentioned about having fair trial.  First time I posted the link on here.

Watch from 18.30. The German justice system doesn’t employ juries which Brueckner can only be thankful for. What Brunt says about Wolter is damning nonetheless.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 18, 2024, 04:29:55 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 18, 2024, 03:29:07 PM
Watch from 18.30. The German justice system doesn’t employ juries which Brueckner can only be thankful for. What Brunt says about Wolter is damning nonetheless.
what did he say?  Not expecting an answer as you’re pretending to ignore my posts…
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 18, 2024, 11:56:44 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 16, 2024, 05:57:51 PM
You say it doesn't, others say there is a slight resemblance. I do too even though it's more of a caricature with exaggerated features than an accurate photo-like image.

Apart from his teeth and skin he is not bad looking from the front, but from the side shows a weak  chin and poor nose IMO.   He rarely shows his teeth but IIRC he could do with some expensive reconstruction work.  They were quite distinctive.


What really points to his watching the appartment is the man used to act the part of the watcher with his long Lanky torso, long neck and holloed out tummy, pelvis thrust forward   I think SY had ideas about Brueckner way back when they made the video showing this particular man with his Brueckner type body.  We saw Brueckners lanky body in a photo taken in his factory unit.

But then I could be wrong, as we all could be.   Certainly not enough there to convict him in Madeleines case!.
Just  a possible pointer. .

IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 19, 2024, 12:05:13 AM
Quote from: faithlilly on February 16, 2024, 10:05:09 PM
Do you doubt all the statements taken by the police?

Yes for the reasons  given by VS and a built in distrust based on lies given by Amaral and the changing of statements by Amaral, already gone over in detail in earlier posts.   Maybe now wiped as so many importrant points seem to be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 19, 2024, 12:10:11 AM
Quote from: Carana on February 17, 2024, 10:07:36 AM
The original statement (as noted by the PJ):
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P3/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_803.jpg
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P3/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_804.jpg

English translation (which seems accurate):
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

She definitely didn't find him heart-throb material, but that's subjective.

I find it a shame that interviews weren't recorded verbatim, as paraphrasing can leave room for interpretation.


Potential PJ interpretation of whatever she actually said:

He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.

Did she really notice pimples? Would an average 12-year-old girl conclude that "pimples" were due to shaving? Or was she describing her impression of his complexion?

On the second page of her statement, she thought she'd be able to recognize him - so she was shown various photos (presumably of men), but none corresponded.

Question: Was she shown a photo of CB or not? If so and she'd eliminated him, fair enough.

However (as far as I can work out), for some reason, CB seems to have passed under the radar, despite a PJ mugshot of him taken years earlier in response to an extradition request from Germany, apparently for the sexual abuse of a 6-year-old girl.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html

Lovely to see you back Carana with your well thought out and fair posts.

However we should bear in mind that such skin blemishes alter by the day, so in my opinion should not be relied on when there is a period in between.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 20, 2024, 10:56:42 AM

Any thoughts on the Skin Blemish?  Possibly told to The PJ when she reported The Rape and why would she not?

The PJ were very good at forgetting such things.  The ball lies in their court and always will.  The PJ quite possibly even leaked it, thereby causing Brueckner to get it removed.  But the scar is still there.

Personally, I don't care how The Germans catch him out and there will be more to see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 20, 2024, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 20, 2024, 10:56:42 AM
Any thoughts on the Skin Blemish?  Possibly told to The PJ when she reported The Rape and why would she not?

The PJ were very good at forgetting such things.  The ball lies in their court and always will.  The PJ quite possibly even leaked it, thereby causing Brueckner to get it removed.  But the scar is still there.

Personally, I don't care how The Germans catch him out and there will be more to see.
He may have noticed that it was a distinguishing mark and therefore potentially incriminating when he was re-watching the video he made of the rape and so had the presence of mind to get the mark removed. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 20, 2024, 12:13:56 PM
DIY using a Bosch drill and sanding attachment or in Turkey with the surgeon who carries out Jessica Alves' wonderful enhancements.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 20, 2024, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 20, 2024, 12:13:56 PM
DIY using a Bosch drill and sanding attachment or in Turkey with the surgeon who carries out Jessica Alves' wonderful enhancements.

Katie Price would have loved him.  Think of all the publicity.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 20, 2024, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 20, 2024, 07:11:24 PM
Katie Price would have loved him.  Think of all the publicity.
She only goes for selfie-obsessed, smooth-skinned pretty boys though.

I wonder if the BKA/Police have found the backstrasse surgeon who erased Brueckner's birthmark and realigned his jaw?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on February 20, 2024, 11:40:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 20, 2024, 08:11:19 PM
She only goes for selfie-obsessed, smooth-skinned pretty boys though.

I wonder if the BKA/Police have found the backstrasse surgeon who erased Brueckner's birthmark and realigned his jaw?

Realigned his jaw?

That's a new one to me.   Perhaps I have been asleep.   Can you provide a bona fide cite please
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 21, 2024, 08:07:46 AM
Quote from: sadie on February 20, 2024, 11:40:50 PM
Realigned his jaw?

That's a new one to me.   Perhaps I have been asleep.   Can you provide a bona fide cite please
If I remember, it was mentioned in a German or Australian documentary, to correct an overbite.  But also briefly in the press way back in 2022...

In a letter obtained by MailOnline earlier this month, Brueckner – who has been given access to the files – accuses investigators of manipulating an image to give him more prominent teeth to resemble a sex attack suspect. But it is understood he flew from Lisbon to Germany in September 2007 for the reconstructive surgery.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10817713/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-face-changing-op-months-went-missing.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10817713/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-face-changing-op-months-went-missing.html)

Might have caused that vertical scar to the left side of his mouth...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 21, 2024, 09:40:40 AM
The average price of Orthognathic surgery in Germany is €9541, the minimum price is €2785, and the maximum price is €11138.

I wonder where he got the money from, the vain beast.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2024, 12:42:54 PM

Back in Court tomorrow.  Not sure what for.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 22, 2024, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 22, 2024, 12:42:54 PM
Back in Court tomorrow.  Not sure what for.
Sacking another judge for abusing Freddy Fulscher on ThickTock, probably.

We're in for the long haul - 29 hearings over 9 months (as reported by the Sun), and there I was thinking the wheels of UK justice moved as fast as a sozzled snail on Zopiclone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KccYovUiXUg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KccYovUiXUg)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2024, 02:07:11 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 22, 2024, 01:47:15 PM
Sacking another judge for abusing Freddy Fulscher on ThickTock, probably.

We're in for the long haul - 29 hearings over 9 months (as reported by the Sun), and there I was thinking the wheels of UK justice moved as fast as a sozzled snail on Zopiclone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KccYovUiXUg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KccYovUiXUg)

Well, I suppose that will keep us going, what with Fulscher causing trouble at every opportunity.  And I have to say that I don't like the look of him either, although not in a criminal way.  In so far as I know.

But at least it is only Judges.  I have right gone off The Jury System since living in France.  And O'Connor is right behind me, probably peeing on the floor again.  Dear of him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 22, 2024, 03:34:52 PM
I don't like the sound of 'lay judges', give me professionals every time, but at least they are likely to be rather more intelligent than your average jury member and will have received some training.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 22, 2024, 06:55:57 PM
No more Curly Wurlys to be sold here...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26112230/kiosk-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-ripped-down/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26112230/kiosk-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-ripped-down/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 22, 2024, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 22, 2024, 06:55:57 PM
No more Curly Wurlys to be sold here...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26112230/kiosk-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-ripped-down/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26112230/kiosk-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-ripped-down/)
so many ghouls in the world.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 23, 2024, 08:53:49 AM
Brueckner arriving in court this morning, complete with folder + Palestinian supporters flag...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Palestine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Palestine)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 23, 2024, 09:02:30 AM
Day 2 of Brueckner's trial.

With all the dosh made from pot-dealing and burglary you'd have thought he would splash out on a Hugo Boss suede leather jacket instead a creased, off-the-peg cotton one from Burtons.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13116977/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-court-sex-crimes-trial.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13116977/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-court-sex-crimes-trial.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2024, 09:56:22 AM
Quote from: Myster on February 23, 2024, 08:53:49 AM
Brueckner arriving in court this morning, complete with folder + Palestinian supporters flag...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Palestine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Palestine)

A Palestinian Flag in Germany.  Good Heavens.  Actually, I think I feel sick.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 23, 2024, 03:52:01 PM
Putting Brueckner and others of that ilk out of business...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13117641/germany-legalise-cannabis-personal-use.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13117641/germany-legalise-cannabis-personal-use.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2024, 04:25:46 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 23, 2024, 03:52:01 PM
Putting Brueckner and others of that ilk out of business...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13117641/germany-legalise-cannabis-personal-use.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13117641/germany-legalise-cannabis-personal-use.html)

Not a good idea but who cares.  Just a bunch of stupid people damaging their brains.  And one less problem for those in charge to deal with.

Next it will be Heroin and all down hill after that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 23, 2024, 04:27:24 PM
We've heard enough from Fulscher, so a few words from Ute Lindemann, Braunschweig Senior Public Prosecutor in this case...

Ute Lindemann on the tightening of sexual criminal law, sexual harassment and child abuse.

“No means no.” This catchy formula has defined the boundary between right and wrong in sexual criminal law since 2016. And at the same time meets the demand of the Istanbul Convention to criminalize all non-consensual sexual acts. But what seems clear at first glance poses a problem for law enforcement authorities. “The tightening of sexual criminal law has raised expectations that we cannot always fulfill in practice,” says Braunschweig senior public prosecutor Ute Lindemann in our newspaper’s crime podcast “Tatort Niedersachsen”.

Ute Lindemann heads the special department for sexual offenses in the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office responsible for the region. Since the tightening of sexual criminal law, she has repeatedly been faced with the cardinal legal question: Did the perpetrator - or, more rarely, the perpetrator - consciously ignore the apparent will of the victim? This is often difficult to prove in individual cases. “The supposedly greater protection for victims reaches its limits here.”

In the podcast, Lindemann talks about “No means no”, the criminal offense of sexual harassment, which has also been in force since 2016, and the prosecution of child sexual abuse.

Ms. Lindemann, you call it “rape without violence,” which the law to improve the protection of sexual self-determination has criminalized since 2016. This means that criminal liability does not only begin when perpetrators of sexual assault use physical violence, threaten their victim or take advantage of a vulnerable situation. A “no” draws the line. Have there been more advertisements since then?
Yes, comparing the years 2015 and 2022 we recorded an increase of 44 percent. But significantly more than half of the cases are dismissed.

Why this?
In principle, the law is to be welcomed. Nobody has to endure anything against their will, neither sex nor a slap on the bottom. But the expectation that reports are more likely to lead to convictions is often not fulfilled in individual cases. We often experience that behavior is reported that, from our point of view, is unacceptable and morally reprehensible, but not punishable. The law suggests: If I have said no once, the other person is committing a criminal offense. However, it's not that simple.

What makes the investigation so difficult for you?
According to the new version, the perpetrator must have recognized that he was ignoring the woman's wishes. In order to convict someone of rape, coercion such as physical violence is no longer required. But we don't have any objective criteria either. This means that all that matters is evaluating statements and forming a conviction based on them. To do this, we have to understand conversations and situations or the previous relationship life as accurately as possible. It becomes particularly difficult when victims behave ambivalently. Was the accused really able to recognize the “contrary will of the victim” based on his subjective perception? We have to prove that.

Let's take an example: A man wants to have sex with his partner. She doesn't want to and says so, but doesn't physically resist the sexual intercourse, instead she lets it go through her crying.

According to the old legal situation, the man's behavior would not have been punishable; according to the new law, this is a clear example of the application of the principle “no means no”. Crying clearly shows the opposing will, and even if she said no, the woman does not have to have defended herself for the crime of rape to be fulfilled. In such a case, charges would be brought. The minimum sentence is usually two years.

Another typical example: A married couple lives separately and the husband wants to pick up their child. The woman is standing in the kitchen, he comes from behind, hugs her, pulls down her pants. She clearly says, “Don’t do that,” but he continues to have sexual intercourse. The man didn't threaten or hit, but it's still rape. For example, a man who did this twice with his ex-partner was sentenced to three years in prison.

But it's not always that clear?
Yes, there are plenty of other examples. For example, a 15-year-old meets a boy. They both have a nice evening, the boy begins with sexual acts. The 15-year-old explains that she still feels too young for that. He replies: What's the point if you love me? She finally gives in and says: “Then at least use a condom.” She may feel like a victim because she didn’t want to have sexual intercourse. But was this really noticeable to the boy? We have to prove that. If a woman initially says “no” but then goes along with it, we do not have sufficient suspicion of rape.

How do those who report it feel when cases are dropped?
This is sometimes disappointing for the victim witnesses. They quickly take it as if we don't believe them. But that's not true. But even if we have no doubts about the descriptions, that doesn't mean that what happened is criminally relevant. The 15-year-old rightly felt under pressure, without any criminal coercion being proven.

There are usually no witnesses to sexual crimes. Statements often stand against statements. Victims may also not go to the police out of fear that they will not be believed.

I can only appeal to those who have been injured not to lose heart and to file a complaint. It is true that more than half of cases are dropped for various reasons. But we very rarely have false suspicions. It's more about the fact that the evidence is not sufficient. But that doesn't mean that we don't believe the complainants. We have good opportunities to check statements for their experience-basedness.

Would a “yes means yes” make law enforcement easier? Then express consent would be necessary.In my opinion that would miss the reality of life. Even a “yes” requires interpretation. Sexual contact between two people is dynamic. Should you make sure that you consent to every sexual act in advance? Should there perhaps be a written agreement about this? This is far from life. Otherwise we would be faced with the same problem with a complaint, namely asking about the common will.

How do those who report it feel when cases are dropped?This is sometimes disappointing for the victim witnesses. They quickly take it as if we don't believe them. But that's not true. But even if we have no doubts about the descriptions, that doesn't mean that what happened is criminally relevant. The 15-year-old rightly felt under pressure, without any criminal coercion being proven.
There are usually no witnesses to sexual crimes. Statements often stand against statements. Victims may also not go to the police out of fear that they will not be believed.


Sexual harassment has also been a criminal offense since 2016. With what consequences?
This offense makes unwanted sexually motivated physical touching a criminal offence. This offense is reported frequently. The acts take place everywhere. In clubs, on the street, when the cyclist hits the passer-by on the bottom, but often also at work. For example, if the boss stands next to a colleague and strokes her back up to her buttocks or touches her thigh, that is sexual harassment. We expressly welcome the law. In the past, such sexually motivated touching would have been at most an insult and difficult to prove as such, since the perpetrator could always claim that he only wanted to pay his victim a compliment and not dishonor him.

So the message is clearer now?Yes, it says: “Here is the limit. We don’t want to be touched.” I can only appeal to report sexual harassment. These crimes are easy to prosecute and we also punish them - usually with fines for first-time offenders.
Her department is also responsible for prosecuting child sexual abuse. What kind of perpetrators are you dealing with?The perpetrators come from all backgrounds and age groups and with every level of education. In the case of child abuse, a striking number are older than 60 years. In the Braunschweig regional court district, as in all of Germany, there is a significant increase in cases. It is by no means a niche crime, as one might assume. Family fathers, well-off people, younger people, older people enjoy child pornography, it applies to the whole of society. What these people are watching is real abuse of children, sometimes with cruel acts - and the degrading images will never disappear from the internet.​
Has your work changed your view of people or men?
I learned: You have to be able to imagine everything about every person. You have to get away from the thought: The old man who looks so nice and cuts the hedge in kindergarten doesn't do something like that. Of course, that changes the way I look at people and – yes, that certainly affected my basic trust in people.

Are children reliable witnesses? Or can perpetrators tend to feel safe?
The perpetrators cannot feel safe at all. We experience children as very reliable witnesses. A false accusation is less common than in adults and is noticed more quickly. Because lying requires life experience. Very often, perpetrators impose a vow of silence on children, such as: “If you tell mom about this, I will go to prison and you will no longer have any money. Then the mother will be desperate.” Children often describe such conversation content so authentically that we can assume that they have experienced it.

Do you always manage to maintain a professional distance?It always affects me that children who have been abused, especially in the family environment, blame themselves for their actions, even though there is only one person to blame: the perpetrator. But he often acts with vows of silence and shifting blame. These children often carry a heavy burden with them for years, are lonely and desperate and endure the sexual abuse, which usually increases over time. It is touching and also infuriating that these children often become mentally ill because of the abuse and that we have to spend a lot of time investigating these victims in particular. In the case of mentally ill victim witnesses, the highest court case law stipulates that we must obtain medical documents and a psychological report. It's a long, stressful journey - even though we often suspect right from the start of the investigation that the descriptions are experience-based.


https://archive.ph/h8flS#selection-2289.35-2289.48 (https://archive.ph/h8flS#selection-2289.35-2289.48)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 23, 2024, 04:54:43 PM
Oh dear.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13118153/Christian-Brueckners-illegally-wiretapped-Madeleine-McCann-unrelated-rape-trial.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 23, 2024, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 23, 2024, 04:54:43 PM
Oh dear.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13118153/Christian-Brueckners-illegally-wiretapped-Madeleine-McCann-unrelated-rape-trial.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13118153/Christian-Brueckners-illegally-wiretapped-Madeleine-McCann-unrelated-rape-trial.html)
They won't let him off that easily.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2024, 05:41:15 PM

I don't think I can read much more of this, whoever did it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 23, 2024, 06:24:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 23, 2024, 05:39:54 PM
They won't let him off that easily.
I'm sure they'll try, but it might throw a spanner in the works regarding police procedures. If BKA are guilty of illegal wire tapping, what else might they have bent the rules on ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 23, 2024, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: Myster on February 23, 2024, 05:39:54 PM
They won't let him off that easily.
Don’t break people’s hearts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 24, 2024, 10:39:29 AM
A German report  of yesterday's proceedings

https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article241736336/Braunschweig-Prozess-um-Christian-B-wird-fortgesetzt.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 24, 2024, 10:49:55 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 24, 2024, 10:39:29 AM
A German report  of yesterday's proceedings

https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article241736336/Braunschweig-Prozess-um-Christian-B-wird-fortgesetzt.html (https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article241736336/Braunschweig-Prozess-um-Christian-B-wird-fortgesetzt.html)
Sprechen sie deutsch?  Könnten Sie es vielleicht übersetzen?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 24, 2024, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: Myster on February 24, 2024, 10:49:55 AM
Sprechen sie deutsch?  Könnten Sie es vielleicht übersetzen?

There is an English option at top right of page if you have Chrome as browser.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 24, 2024, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: jassi on February 24, 2024, 10:55:22 AM
There is an English option at top right of page if you have Chrome as browser.
Danke.  A magical option which I don't think is available in Firefox, my usual browser.

ETA: It's an option in FF, but I can't for the life of me find the translate button.  So tried Chrome instead and couldn't be easier!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 25, 2024, 07:59:27 AM
He's owned more vehicles than Freddy Fulscher! - even though they were rusty, second-hand wrecks rather than luxurious new Porsches...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26160636/maddie-mccann-christian-brueckner-vehicles-scrapped/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26160636/maddie-mccann-christian-brueckner-vehicles-scrapped/)

And another thing - Brueckner should be forced to speak (with 20 lashes of a cat-o'-nine-tails if necessary) so that Hazel Behan can recognise his voice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2024, 11:27:51 AM
Quote from: Myster on February 25, 2024, 07:59:27 AM
He's owned more vehicles than Freddy Fulscher! - even though they were rusty, second-hand wrecks rather than luxurious new Porsches...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26160636/maddie-mccann-christian-brueckner-vehicles-scrapped/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26160636/maddie-mccann-christian-brueckner-vehicles-scrapped/)

And another thing - Brueckner should be forced to speak (with 20 lashes of a cat-o'-nine-tails if necessary) so that Hazel Behan can recognise his voice.

This could be why he is refusing to say anything.  Did he offer a Plea, or is this not necessary in a German Court?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 25, 2024, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 25, 2024, 11:27:51 AM
This could be why he is refusing to say anything.  Did he offer a Plea, or is this not necessary in a German Court?
Certainly... using his right to remain silent, he's no duck egg. I think prosecution and defence just confirmed the charges without a plea being entered as - "There are no formal pleas in the German legal system, and defendants aren’t obliged to respond to the charges." Source: INDEPENDENT
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2024, 08:59:50 PM

No Evidence as yet, if there is any, apart from witnesses and the fact that they are all repeats of what Brueckner has already been convicted of.

Stroll on eh what.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 26, 2024, 09:11:04 AM
Setting the scene ?
Though as there is no jury and the judges already have all the evidence, I'm not sure who the prosecution opening speech was aimed at.
A similar comment might be made about the defence speech.
Media consumption perhaps ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 27, 2024, 03:09:55 PM

Well, there's a lot of talk going on about Wire Tapping and Searches Without Warrants, none of which make any sense to me.  The Wire Tapping sounds implausible and as for Searches Without Warrants, you might as well expect a Dog Walker to get a Warrant before they take the dog for a walk when the dog digs up a body.

It could all be Fulscher up to his tricks of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 27, 2024, 06:50:03 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 27, 2024, 03:09:55 PM
Well, there's a lot of talk going on about Wire Tapping and Searches Without Warrants, none of which make any sense to me.  The Wire Tapping sounds implausible and as for Searches Without Warrants, you might as well expect a Dog Walker to get a Warrant before they take the dog for a walk when the dog digs up a body.

It could all be Fulscher up to his tricks of course.

There is that of course, but relying on British tabloids to explain what is going on in German courts is asking too much of them hence everything being total speculation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 28, 2024, 01:31:15 PM

Interesting to see another Justice System at work.  I have barely recovered from Portugal.  If Portugal ever had one.

Five cases that Portugal should have dealt with, but perhaps we should be grateful for the fact that Portugal didn't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 29, 2024, 06:00:12 AM
Jon Clarke on a book-plugging session...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FngQKyv0JE4&ab_channel=ShaunAttwood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FngQKyv0JE4&ab_channel=ShaunAttwood)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 29, 2024, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on February 28, 2024, 01:31:15 PM
Interesting to see another Justice System at work.  I have barely recovered from Portugal.  If Portugal ever had one.

Five cases that Portugal should have dealt with, but perhaps we should be grateful for the fact that Portugal didn't.

If Portugal had enforced a policy of zero tolerance concerning crimes against women and children things might have been completely different.

The fact there was complete denial about the spate of sexual crimes perpetrated against tourists' children sleeping in what should have been the safety of their beds says it all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on February 29, 2024, 09:46:42 AM
Ken Ralphs' campfire tale rekindled...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13117359/Christian-Brueckner-worked-Ocean-Club-restaurant-Brit-claims-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13117359/Christian-Brueckner-worked-Ocean-Club-restaurant-Brit-claims-Madeleine-McCann.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 29, 2024, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Brietta on February 29, 2024, 09:32:57 AM
If Portugal had enforced a policy of zero tolerance concerning crimes against women and children things might have been completely different.

The fact there was complete denial about the spate of sexual crimes perpetrated against tourists' children sleeping in what should have been the safety of their beds says it all.

Water under the bridge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on February 29, 2024, 10:28:44 AM
Quote from: Myster on February 29, 2024, 09:46:42 AM
Ken Ralphs' campfire tale rekindled...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13117359/Christian-Brueckner-worked-Ocean-Club-restaurant-Brit-claims-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13117359/Christian-Brueckner-worked-Ocean-Club-restaurant-Brit-claims-Madeleine-McCann.html)

CB worked at the Ocean Club in the Tapas Bar!!   Why the hell wasn't this mentioned before?  Why wasn't he interviewed with the other staff?  Very strange.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on February 29, 2024, 10:56:02 AM
Probably because it won't be true.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on February 29, 2024, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 29, 2024, 10:03:32 AM
Water under the bridge.
Isn't everything?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on February 29, 2024, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: jassi on February 29, 2024, 10:03:32 AM
Water under the bridge.
How do you know this lackadaisical attitude towards tourists (particularly female ones and children) doesn’t prevail in Portugal to this day?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on February 29, 2024, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on February 29, 2024, 06:46:02 PM
How do you know this lackadaisical attitude towards tourists (particularly female ones and children) doesn’t prevail in Portugal to this day?

I wouldn't be surprised if I does.  But at least Amaral isn't In Charge any more.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 01, 2024, 08:19:50 AM
Day 3:

Brueckner to face Manfred Seyferth, one of his accusers...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26281756/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-court-rape-trial/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26281756/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-court-rape-trial/)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13144637/christian-brueckner-court-madeleine-mccann-suspect-trial.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13144637/christian-brueckner-court-madeleine-mccann-suspect-trial.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 01, 2024, 08:24:47 AM
I thought the trial was off  because the police taped the poor ickle rapist’s conversations?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 01, 2024, 08:27:29 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on March 01, 2024, 08:24:47 AM
I thought the trial was off  because the police taped the poor ickle rapist’s conversations?
Freddy has to string it out to pay for his fleet of Porsches.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 01, 2024, 05:16:00 PM
One thing that occurred to me after today’s proceedings - if MS and HB were intent on stitching CB up and jointly lied about the video why didn’t they go the whole hog and say they saw his face as well as scraggy body?  Instead MS claims to have indentified CB on the video by his voice alone.   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 01, 2024, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on March 01, 2024, 05:16:00 PM
One thing that occurred to me after today’s proceedings - if MS and HB were intent on stitching CB up and jointly lied about the video why didn’t they go the whole hog and say they saw his face as well as scraggy body?  Instead MS claims to have indentified CB on the video by his voice alone.
I wonder if Fulscher got the chance to cross-examine Seyferth, or will that have to wait until next Friday?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 01, 2024, 06:19:43 PM
Might get a reduced sentence if he smartened himself up and ditched that crumpled old Biology teacher's jacket with elbow patches that he sleeps in...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 01, 2024, 06:58:18 PM
It’s what all the best dressed rapists are wearing this season.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 01, 2024, 08:26:19 PM
Quote from: Myster on March 01, 2024, 06:19:43 PM
Might get a reduced sentence if he smartened himself up and ditched that crumpled old Biology teacher's jacket with elbow patches that he sleeps in...

No doubt if he dressed more smartly he'd come in for criticism over his appearance  as well.

I'm just surprised he isn't wearing a balaclava.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 02, 2024, 07:36:05 AM
Quote from: Myster on March 01, 2024, 05:50:55 PM
I wonder if Fulscher got the chance to cross-examine Seyferth, or will that have to wait until next Friday?
Yes, he did.

Martin B on Manfred S and Christian B... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiU_ybKaUE&ab_channel=SkyNews (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiU_ybKaUE&ab_channel=SkyNews)

Acne scars more prominent than ever...

https://news.sky.com/story/christian-b-trial-madeleine-mccann-suspect-seen-on-videos-sexually-assaulting-woman-and-girl-court-hears-13084478 (https://news.sky.com/story/christian-b-trial-madeleine-mccann-suspect-seen-on-videos-sexually-assaulting-woman-and-girl-court-hears-13084478)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 02, 2024, 09:23:14 AM
The impression I get reading elsewhere is one of barely disguised glee that Round one went to CB's defence team, in so far as they appeared to be able to undermine the witness testimony of MS and HB.  Team CB and his Supporters Club are 1-0 up at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 02, 2024, 09:35:47 AM
I wonder if Tasmin Sillence and the other British tourist who witnessed Spottyman have seen these latest pics and thought to themselves - "That's Him!!!".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 02, 2024, 12:25:32 PM
Similar trial coverage by The Olive Press... https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/03/02/__trashed-38/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/03/02/__trashed-38/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 02, 2024, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on March 02, 2024, 09:23:14 AM
The impression I get reading elsewhere is one of barely disguised glee that Round one went to CB's defence team, in so far as they appeared to be able to undermine the witness testimony of MS and HB.  Team CB and his Supporters Club are 1-0 up at the moment.

I think any glee might be premature when one remembers that the current cases against Brueckner are using the same witnesses and same evidence which has already passed muster in German courts.

Quite bizarre though that a person carrying the criminal baggage that Brueckner does has this small coterie of admirers while his criminal former associates are disgusted by him to the extent of numerous attempts to grass him in on the basis of witnessing his depravity against women on film.

Brueckner denied the offence and appealed it in the European court - unsuccessfully.

Along with her mental trauma and other injuries the victim of his 2005 depravity suffered a broken jaw and injuries to her shoulder. She said ‘He enjoyed torturing me’
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20200605/page/6
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 02, 2024, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 02, 2024, 12:44:01 PM
I think any glee might be premature when one remembers that the current cases against Brueckner are using the same witnesses and same evidence which has already passed muster in German courts.

Quite bizarre though that a person carrying the criminal baggage that Brueckner does has this small coterie of admirers while his criminal former associates are disgusted by him to the extent of numerous attempts to grass him in on the basis of witnessing his depravity against women on film.

Brueckner denied the offence and appealed it in the European court - unsuccessfully.

Along with her mental trauma and other injuries the victim of his 2005 depravity suffered a broken jaw and injuries to her shoulder. She said ‘He enjoyed torturing me’
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20200605/page/6

From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-italy-madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-rape-appeal-a9657006.html

His lawyer, Friedrich Fulscher, challenged the validity of the arrest warrant as it did not cite the 2005 rape charge. and argued it was a breach of international law to put him on trial for the rape.

I don't think Brueckner has appealed the actual conviction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 02, 2024, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 02, 2024, 03:02:21 PM
From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-italy-madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-rape-appeal-a9657006.html

His lawyer, Friedrich Fulscher, challenged the validity of the arrest warrant as it did not cite the 2005 rape charge. and argued it was a breach of international law to put him on trial for the rape.

I don't think Brueckner has appealed the actual conviction.
The desired outcome is the same - to free a dangerous rapist from prison before he has completed his sentence and probably to put in a multi-million euro claim for the terrible breach of human rights at the same time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 03, 2024, 02:38:50 AM
Quote from: jassi on March 02, 2024, 03:02:21 PM
From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-italy-madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-rape-appeal-a9657006.html

His lawyer, Friedrich Fulscher, challenged the validity of the arrest warrant as it did not cite the 2005 rape charge. and argued it was a breach of international law to put him on trial for the rape.

I don't think Brueckner has appealed the actual conviction.
Which rather says it all.
Of course he did not appeal the actual decision of the court for the very simple reason that there were no ground on which to launch an appeal.
His appeal was a procedural one; just as the delaying tactic made in the current five cases confronting him are procedural.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 04, 2024, 12:34:54 AM
Quote from: Lace on February 29, 2024, 10:28:44 AM
CB worked at the Ocean Club in the Tapas Bar!!   Why the hell wasn't this mentioned before?  Why wasn't he interviewed with the other staff?  Very strange.

Makes one wonder if we shall be seeing a flood of disinformation about now.

Remember the Special Madeleine Crimewatch program videos and how umpteen copies, all different, were published on this forum   These were specially produced to spread confusion about my lavender coloured folders sent  to OG.   

The fact that the videos were falsified with

1)  folders different colours from my Lavender coloured ones to mainly aquamarine colours

2)  The bookshelves were only partly shown deliberately cutting from view my big folder positioned centrally on the top shelf.   That position was a pointer to anyone with half a brain that OG took my information very seriously

3)  The officer carrying my slim Lavender folder was shown with the background commentary completely changed.   No mention of One person (me) having changed their perspective on the case

4)  The timings of this scenario in the video were changed video to video making it impossible for most to find the pertinent parts


Impressive disinformation was given  out to cause confusion.   

The energy put into trying to undermine the original Crimewatch video just served to confirm that someone wanted to hide the facts.     
             

                              Someone wanted to undermine me and cause confusion. 


Your multiple video interference just cofirmed that what I had said was correct.   You actually scored an own goal



However, in one way you won because unless you have now reduced the video numbers it is virtually impossible for the average punter to find the correct bona fide video

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 04, 2024, 12:39:01 AM
Quote from: sadie on March 04, 2024, 12:34:54 AM
Makes one wonder if we shall be seeing a flood of disinformation about now.

Remember the Special Madeleine Crimewatch program videos and how umpteen copies, all different, were published on this forum   These were specially produced to spread confusion about my lavender coloured folders sent  to OG.   

The fact that the videos were falsified with

1)  folders different colours from my Lavender coloured ones to mainly aquamarine colours

2)  The bookshelves were only partly shown deliberately cutting from view my big folder positioned centrally on the top shelf.   That position was a pointer to anyone with half a brain that OG took my information very seriously

3)  The officer carrying my slim Lavender folder was shown with the background commentary completely changed.   No mention of One person (me) having changed their perspective on the case

4)  The timings of this scenario in the video were changed video to video making it impossible for most to find the pertinent parts


Impressive disinformation was given  out to cause confusion.   

The energy put into trying to undermine the original Crimewatch video just served to confirm that someone wanted to hide the facts.     
             

                              Someone wanted to undermine me and cause confusion. 


Your multiple video interference
just cofirmed that what I had said was correct.   You actually scored an own goal



However, in one way you won because unless you have now reduced the video numbers it is virtually impossible for the average punter to find the correct bona fide video

With The CB trials underway

Are we in for a flurry of disinformation as we have had in the past ?

Will elaborate lies and carefully produced disinformation be fed to The Courts?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 04, 2024, 07:02:56 AM
Quote from: sadie on March 04, 2024, 12:34:54 AM

2)  The bookshelves were only partly shown deliberately cutting from view my big folder positioned centrally on the top shelf.   That position was a pointer to anyone with half a brain that OG took my information very seriously

3)  The officer carrying my slim Lavender folder was shown with the background commentary completely changed.   No mention of One person (me) having changed their perspective on the case

No, your folder is still there after 10 years sitting unused on the top shelf gathering several millimeters of dust, discarded skin cells, tobacco smoke, etc.

Operation Grange didn't need it when the Germans came up with a better suspect and reason for abduction...

https://youtu.be/RcBRRHmzqdE?si=hnJS1uy-exIXSn77&t=194 (https://youtu.be/RcBRRHmzqdE?si=hnJS1uy-exIXSn77&t=194)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 05, 2024, 08:12:12 PM
OG's never-ending begging bowl being rattled again...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13160237/Detectives-missing-Madeleine-McCann-grant.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13160237/Detectives-missing-Madeleine-McCann-grant.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 06, 2024, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: Myster on March 05, 2024, 08:12:12 PM
OG's never-ending begging bowl being rattled again...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13160237/Detectives-missing-Madeleine-McCann-grant.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13160237/Detectives-missing-Madeleine-McCann-grant.html)

Reminds me of my repeat Dr's prescription. Just put in a regular request and its automatically renewed without review.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 06, 2024, 12:58:16 PM
And a pot of gold to fall back on if all else fails...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13162927/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-1million-fund-missing-police-100k-hunt.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13162927/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-1million-fund-missing-police-100k-hunt.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 06, 2024, 01:13:38 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 06, 2024, 10:23:44 AM
Reminds me of my repeat Dr's prescription. Just put in a regular request and its automatically renewed without review.

Getting a Repeat Prescription is a trifle more serious.  I hope your doctor knows what they are doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 06, 2024, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: Myster on March 06, 2024, 12:58:16 PM
And a pot of gold to fall back on if all else fails...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13162927/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-1million-fund-missing-police-100k-hunt.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13162927/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-1million-fund-missing-police-100k-hunt.html)

"But the couple feel no need to dip into their pot, whilst Scotland Yard is still on board, and which ultimately may pay for another private search for their daughter."

I suspect they'll never feel the need as police are convinced she is dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 06, 2024, 05:37:34 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 06, 2024, 03:45:58 PM
"But the couple feel no need to dip into their pot, whilst Scotland Yard is still on board, and which ultimately may pay for another private search for their daughter."

I suspect they'll never feel the need as police are convinced she is dead.
what do you know about it?  Absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 07, 2024, 03:14:31 AM
Quote from: Myster on March 04, 2024, 07:02:56 AM
No, your folder is still there after 10 years sitting unused on the top shelf gathering several millimeters of dust, discarded skin cells, tobacco smoke, etc.

Operation Grange didn't need it when the Germans came up with a better suspect and reason for abduction...

https://youtu.be/RcBRRHmzqdE?si=hnJS1uy-exIXSn77&t=194 (https://youtu.be/RcBRRHmzqdE?si=hnJS1uy-exIXSn77&t=194)


Hahaha !

Taps the side of her nose.   

Don't you remember? 
Scotland Yard refused to endorse the German and Portuguese viewpoint.

I am surprised such a clever man like you hadn't the nowse.



Madeleine still lives and there was no actual paedophilia in her case.   She had to be kept pure for a later purpose.   


ETA:  Dslexic order error ammended
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 07, 2024, 07:26:55 AM
Quote from: sadie on March 07, 2024, 03:14:31 AM

Hahaha !

Taps the side of her nose.   

Don't you remember? 
Scotland Yard refused to endorse the German and Portuguese viewpoint.


Cos
Madeleine still lives and there was no actual paedophilia in her case.   She had to be kept pure for a later purpose.   
I am surprised such a clever man like you hadn't the nowse.
OG have changed their mind since then and permanently shelved your research.  That's why they're begging for another 100 grand to attend Brueckner's trial with translator in tow to glean more about him and his nefarious activities.  And seek out die besten Golfplätze in the area while they're at it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 07, 2024, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: Myster on March 07, 2024, 07:26:55 AM
OG have changed their mind since then and permanently shelved your research.  That's why they're begging for another 100 grand to attend Brueckner's trial with translator in tow to glean more about him and his nefarious activities.  And seek out die besten Golfplätze in the area while they're at it.

ORLY ?
How do you know?

A genuine cite, if you would be so kind.   I feel sure you will be able to magick one from somewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 07, 2024, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: sadie on March 07, 2024, 09:45:49 AM
ORLY ?
How do you know?

A genuine cite, if you would be so kind.   I feel sure you will be able to magick one from somewhere.
No cite soz, just a guesstimate.  We'll have to wait and see what transpires.  Have patience, me dearie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on March 07, 2024, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: jassi on March 06, 2024, 03:45:58 PM
"But the couple feel no need to dip into their pot, whilst Scotland Yard is still on board, and which ultimately may pay for another private search for their daughter."

I suspect they'll never feel the need as police are convinced she is dead.

The McCann's  wouldn't be expected to pay the Police to search for their daughter.

As for all the ignorant comments saying other children are ignored etc.  Missing children are never written off,  if new evidence arises they will look into it.

As for people going on about they left the children,  that has nothing to do with looking for a child that went missing,  it's the child they are concerned about not the reason why she went missing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 07, 2024, 11:29:16 AM
Quote from: Lace on March 07, 2024, 10:18:58 AM
The McCann's  wouldn't be expected to pay the Police to search for their daughter.

As for all the ignorant comments saying other children are ignored etc.  Missing children are never written off,  if new evidence arises they will look into it.

As for people going on about they left the children,  that has nothing to do with looking for a child that went missing,  it's the child they are concerned about not the reason why she went missing.

You are putting forward arguments that I never mentioned so can't imagine why you attached it to my post.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 08, 2024, 02:45:39 PM
A report from TOP about Brueckner's former friend Christian Post...

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/03/08/exclusive-i-threw-80-sex-tapes-of-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckners-in-the-bin-in-praia-da-luz/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/03/08/exclusive-i-threw-80-sex-tapes-of-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckners-in-the-bin-in-praia-da-luz/)

and a Mail 2022 report concerning same...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10678161/Madeleine-McCann-case-Ex-friend-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-certain-took-her.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10678161/Madeleine-McCann-case-Ex-friend-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-certain-took-her.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 11, 2024, 07:07:10 AM
Brigitte B says "Auf Wiedersehen" to her wayward adopted son...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26563973/christian-brueckner-disowned-mother-madeleine-mccann/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26563973/christian-brueckner-disowned-mother-madeleine-mccann/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 11, 2024, 09:16:53 AM
Why should this be news, though I suppose the Sun doesn't deal with real news.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 11, 2024, 09:25:35 AM
Quote from: jassi on March 11, 2024, 09:16:53 AM
Why should this be news, though I suppose the Sun doesn't deal with real news.
Of course it does!... https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/26574892/palace-under-pressure-princess-kate-photo-editing/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/26574892/palace-under-pressure-princess-kate-photo-editing/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 11, 2024, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: Myster on March 11, 2024, 07:07:10 AM
Brigitte B says "Auf Wiedersehen" to her wayward adopted son...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26563973/christian-brueckner-disowned-mother-madeleine-mccann/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26563973/christian-brueckner-disowned-mother-madeleine-mccann/)
I guess Frau B has simply swallowed all the lies the BKA and the MSM have put out about her son, what a tragedy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 11, 2024, 02:33:03 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on March 11, 2024, 01:48:20 PM
I guess Frau B has simply swallowed all the lies the BKA and the MSM have put out about her son, what a tragedy.

It's the first time I've even heard of her.  What happened to his brother?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 11, 2024, 03:00:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 11, 2024, 02:33:03 PM
It's the first time I've even heard of her.  What happened to his brother?
Ma and Pa lived in an attractive townhouse with the black sheep, but no mention any wrongdoing by an older brother...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394293/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspects-parents-revealed.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394293/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspects-parents-revealed.html)

Just read through it again and...

Another neighbour has told how Christian Brueckner and his brothers had bad reputation in their home town while growing up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 14, 2024, 07:01:47 AM
Some more dazzling Sunshine for jassi to avoid...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26665050/hunt-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-pal/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26665050/hunt-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-pal/)

Ditto from the DailyFailure...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13193321/new-madeleine-mccann-suspect-raided-germany-christian-brueckner.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13193321/new-madeleine-mccann-suspect-raided-germany-christian-brueckner.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 14, 2024, 09:37:54 AM
You only need to see who the author is  to know it'll be mostly rubbish. IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 14, 2024, 12:32:10 PM
Day 4:

Christian Post gives evidence...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13196467/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-returns-court.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13196467/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-returns-court.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 10:58:41 AM

So that's it for another God knows how long.  The Judges have already got all of the evidence and this is just an exercise now.  Justice being seen to be done.  And judging by what Fulscher has been up to, he already knows what will happen and is simply looking for a reason to appeal.

Personally, I don't know which way it will go, which is much the best policy.  But I would rather trust Judges than Juries.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 15, 2024, 11:20:32 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 10:58:41 AM
So that's it for another God knows how long.  The Judges have already got all of the evidence and this is just an exercise now. Justice being seen to be done.  And judging by what Fulscher has been up to, he already knows what will happen and is simply looking for a reason to appeal.

Personally, I don't know which way it will go, which is much the best policy.  But I would rather trust Judges than Juries.

The judges have the prosecutors interpretation of the evidence.
It is up to them to decide if this interpretation is correct by listening to the defence arguments and questioning the various witnesses.
Only then should they come to a decision.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: jassi on March 15, 2024, 11:20:32 AM
The judges have the prosecutors interpretation of the evidence.
It is up to them to decide if this interpretation is correct by listening to the defence arguments and questioning the various witnesses.
Only then should they come to a decision.

I think that you are very brave.  This Forum still needs people like you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 15, 2024, 11:51:39 AM
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Hazel Behan is giving evidence/being cross-examined by Fulscher and ripping him to shreds.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 15, 2024, 11:55:16 AM
Quote from: Myster on March 15, 2024, 11:51:39 AM
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Hazel Behan is giving evidence/being cross-examined by Fulscher and ripping him to shreds.

I think we'll get some fairly accurate reporting - though obviously not from the Sun  ?{)(**
We'll probably need to rely on the German media for that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: Myster on March 15, 2024, 11:51:39 AM
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Hazel Behan is giving evidence/being cross-examined by Fulscher and ripping him to shreds.

Fulscher is only in this for publicity.  Not that I have anything against that.  But there are now too many repeat MOs, if they are to be considered.

Hazel Behan is a brave soul twenty years on when this must be the last thing that she needs and I doubt that The Court will allow Fulscher to bully her.  And was there not a witness who saw Brueckner take his mask off after he climbed down?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 15, 2024, 12:11:00 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 12:07:56 PM
Fulscher is only in this for publicity.  Not that I have anything against that.  But there are now too many repeat MOs, if they are to be considered.

Hazel Behan is a brave soul twenty years on when this must be the last thing that she needs and I doubt that The Court will allow Fulscher to bully her. And was there not a witness who saw Brueckner take his mask off after he climbed down?

Not sure about that. Could be a tabloid invention.
We'll need to wait and see if that is stated in court.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 12:14:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 15, 2024, 11:55:16 AM
I think we'll get some fairly accurate reporting - though obviously not from the Sun  ?{)(**
We'll probably need to rely on the German media for that.

I never rely on The Media, especially when translations are involved.  Been there and done that with Portugal.

What a thing, eh.  But we do have to remember that this trial is nothing to do with Madeleine.  And I very much doubt that even the outcome can be used in her case, no matter what the outcome will be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 15, 2024, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 12:07:56 PM
Fulscher is only in this for publicity.  Not that I have anything against that.  But there are now too many repeat MOs, if they are to be considered.

Hazel Behan is a brave soul twenty years on when this must be the last thing that she needs and I doubt that The Court will allow Fulscher to bully her.  And was there not a witness who saw Brueckner take his mask off after he climbed down?
A rabbit to pull out of the prosecution's hat if and when needed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 15, 2024, 12:21:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 15, 2024, 11:55:16 AM
I think we'll get some fairly accurate reporting - though obviously not from the Sun  ?{)(**
We'll probably need to rely on the German media for that.
Isn't redtop die BILD, Germany's largest selling newspaper, the equivalent of the SUN?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 15, 2024, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 12:14:54 PM
I never rely on The Media, especially when translations are involved.  Been there and done that with Portugal.

What a thing, eh.  But we do have to remember that this trial is nothing to do with Madeleine.  And I very much doubt that even the outcome can be used in her case, no matter what the outcome will be.

The Media in one form or another is all any of us have to go on, in that if it isn't reported somewhere then none of us will know anything about it.

How we interpret what we see or hear is down to the individual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 12:33:02 PM
Quote from: Myster on March 15, 2024, 12:15:52 PM
A rabbit to pull out of the prosecution's hat if and when needed.

I don't understand why Brueckner is appearing In Court looking such a mess.  Is he hoping that The Judges and The World will feel sorry for him?  It isn't working for me.  Surely Fulscher could have found him a half decent jacket, although not one of his.  Fulscher is too fat.  Whoops.  A bit of prejudice creeping in.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 15, 2024, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 12:33:02 PM
I don't understand why Brueckner is appearing In Court looking such a mess.  Is he hoping that The Judges and The World will feel sorry for him?  It isn't working for me.  Surely Fulscher could have found him a half decent jacket, although not one of his.  Fulscher is too fat.  Whoops.  A bit of prejudice creeping in.

As a long term prisoner, he may have none of his own clothing available and has to rely on what is provided by the prison.
I doubt that defence funds run to a clothing allowance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 15, 2024, 12:51:00 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 15, 2024, 12:45:21 PM
As a long term prisoner, he may have none of his own clothing available and has to rely on what is provided by the prison.
I doubt that defence funds run to a clothing allowance.

Could it also be that he doesn't want to look like the normal slick black leather Bruckner 'cos he fears other witnesses recognising him and coming forward?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 15, 2024, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 12:33:02 PM
I don't understand why Brueckner is appearing In Court looking such a mess.  Is he hoping that The Judges and The World will feel sorry for him?  It isn't working for me.  Surely Fulscher could have found him a half decent jacket, although not one of his.  Fulscher is too fat.  Whoops.  A bit of prejudice creeping in.
Most likely a shrunken, third-hand cast-off from the prison's charity shop and no-one trusts him with a steam-iron.

I'm sure Freddy has indulged himself with a hair transplant specially for the occasion. Before and After...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 15, 2024, 12:55:39 PM
Maybe uses the same hair enhancement product as Prince Harry.  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 15, 2024, 12:45:21 PM
As a long term prisoner, he may have none of his own clothing available and has to rely on what is provided by the prison.
I doubt that defence funds run to a clothing allowance.

Un Ironed and his hair needing washing?  So the prison is responsible for the mess he looks?  This would be prejudicial.  But I am okay with it if he wants to look like a criminal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 15, 2024, 01:00:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 12:58:55 PM
Un Ironed and his hair needing washing?  So the prison is responsible for the mess he looks?  This would be prejudicial.  But I am okay with it if he wants to look like a criminal.

I dare say it suits the prosecution as well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: Myster on March 15, 2024, 12:52:54 PM
Most likely a shrunken, third-hand cast-off from the prison's charity shop and no-one trusts him with a steam-iron.

I'm sure Freddy has indulged himself with a hair transplant specially for the occasion. Before and After...

Oh My.  One half decent jacket as opposed to the price of that hair transplant.  Fulscher must be doing well.  Vanity, Vanity.  Can't remember the rest of The Quote but no doubt it is appropriate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 15, 2024, 03:32:58 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 15, 2024, 11:55:16 AM
I think we'll get some fairly accurate reporting - though obviously not from the Sun  ?{)(**
We'll probably need to rely on the German media for that.

Trials in Britain are usually covered well by the media. There is a difference in the way German trials are conducted and subsequently reported in the German press.
For example there is very little information regarding the Diana Menke aggravated rape case committed by Brueckner reported in German language media. Because there is more British interest in the present series of trials we might find the trial reports more detailed and transparent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 15, 2024, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: sadie on March 15, 2024, 12:51:00 PM
Could it also be that he doesn't want to look like the normal slick black leather Bruckner 'cos he fears other witnesses recognising him and coming forward?
There will be method in his madness. I don't think this guy does anything which isn't well thought out beforehand.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 03:56:53 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 15, 2024, 03:38:35 PM
There will be method in his madness. I don't think this guy does anything which isn't well thought out beforehand.

Obviously I am going down the wrong track if this is true.  But I must say that he doesn't look much like the photos that I have seen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 15, 2024, 05:27:23 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 15, 2024, 12:55:39 PM
Maybe uses the same hair enhancement product as Prince Harry.  8(0(*
If PH uses a hair enhancement product I’d be asking for a refund if I were him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 15, 2024, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 15, 2024, 03:56:53 PM
Obviously I am going down the wrong track if this is true.  But I must say that he doesn't look much like the photos that I have seen.
He's not aged well though... 47 now, in his 20s and 30s when mugshots were taken and recent incarceration in a stuffy, sunless shoebox 23 hours a day with only a stainless-steel loo for company hasn't helped.  Possibly troubled with severe acne since his youth which has left tell-tale pockmarks and then there's the assumed overbite correction, which if true might be responsible for more scarring when the surgeon sawed through his jaw, screwed several titanium plates to keep it in position whilst the resultant space filled up with new osteocytes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 16, 2024, 06:33:40 AM
Ralph H intends keeping schtum, darn it!...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26725791/ralph-h-madeleine-mccann-christian-b/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26725791/ralph-h-madeleine-mccann-christian-b/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 16, 2024, 03:02:11 PM
Fulscher gets a good rollicking from Senior public prosecutor Vanessa Beyse for suggesting that police planted Brueckner's USB porn stash at his Neuwegersleben box factory...

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/03/15/madeleine-mccann-suspect-attempts-to-discredit-evidence-at-multiple-sex-crimes-trial-lawyer-for-christian-brueckner-suggests-child-porn-stash-and-documents-were-planted/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/03/15/madeleine-mccann-suspect-attempts-to-discredit-evidence-at-multiple-sex-crimes-trial-lawyer-for-christian-brueckner-suggests-child-porn-stash-and-documents-were-planted/)

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 16, 2024, 05:12:09 PM
I thought under the German system they didn't do adversorial , or does that just apply to the witnesses ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 20, 2024, 07:51:44 AM
The BKA search for the monster beast paedophile's missing white van...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26790269/germany-fbi-madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-van-clues/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26790269/germany-fbi-madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-van-clues/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on March 20, 2024, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: Myster on March 20, 2024, 07:51:44 AM
The BKA search for the monster beast paedophile's missing white van...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26790269/germany-fbi-madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-van-clues/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26790269/germany-fbi-madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-van-clues/)

Wasn't a white van seen when Joana went missing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 20, 2024, 10:13:18 AM
I wonder how may white vans there were in Portugal at that time ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on March 20, 2024, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: jassi on March 20, 2024, 10:13:18 AM
I wonder how may white vans there were in Portugal at that time ?

I wonder how many white vans were seen at the time in the areas where  Joana and Madeleine went missing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 20, 2024, 10:50:06 AM
Quote from: Lace on March 20, 2024, 10:27:16 AM
I wonder how many white vans were seen at the time in the areas where  Joana and Madeleine went missing?

I have long thought that the two cases are connected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 20, 2024, 11:18:25 AM
Quote from: Lace on March 20, 2024, 10:27:16 AM
I wonder how many white vans were seen at the time in the areas where  Joana and Madeleine went missing?
And Inge Gehricke, a Sprinter van no less according to the article.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 11:48:34 AM

Brueckner has already been ruled out of the Inga Gehricke case, & Joana Cipriano was murdered by her mother & uncle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 20, 2024, 10:13:18 AM
I wonder how may white vans there were in Portugal at that time ?

100%. A lot more than there were child abductors.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 20, 2024, 10:50:06 AM
I have long thought that the two cases are connected.

Why? Is this idea based on evidence or just wishful thinking?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: Lace on March 20, 2024, 10:27:16 AM
I wonder how many white vans were seen at the time in the areas where  Joana and Madeleine went missing?

Have we moved on to white vans now? I thought we were going with the VW Camper. Or the Jag seen nearby when Joana was Abducted. I guess any vehicle will do. Perhaps the abductor didn't use any vehicle though. Made off on foot. Like the Smith family witnessed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 20, 2024, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 12:09:13 PM
Why? Is this idea based on evidence or just wishful thinking?

What do you think ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 20, 2024, 02:52:46 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 20, 2024, 02:15:07 PM
What do you think ?
There is circumstantial evidence.  Three young females disappear without trace, what links them all?  The presence in the area they were last seen in of a known child abuser and rapist who harbours fantasies about abducting children and disposing of their bodies in a manner that they will never be found again.  I mean, what a coincidence especially in the cases of Joana and Madeleine both to disappear within months of each other, taken from a sparsely populated part of the Algarve and vanished into thin air, what are the chances of that happening?  And that's before we get onto the witness evidence that Bruckner confessed to taking Madeleine, the dark web chats, the child sex abuse images buried under a dead dog, the vehicles matching sightings in the cases, etc.  Yes he was ruled out of the Inga Gehricke case, but very much ruled into the Madeleine case, can the police be both right and wrong at the same time?  Can a suspect who has been ruled out be later ruled in again when more evidence comes to light?  McCann sceptics might like to think so, after all the objects of their suspicion were ruled out years ago, and Gerry was certainly ruled out by the police of being Smithman but it doesn't stop the continuous harping on about it....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on March 20, 2024, 03:25:03 PM
Too many coincidences for me.  We don't know what vehicle Madeleine was taken away in,  so every van, car have to be investigated.   Trouble is CB had many cars and scrapped some of them.  Madeleines abduction was planned way in advance IMO and everything was meticulously thought through.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 04:06:16 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on March 20, 2024, 02:52:46 PM
There is circumstantial evidence.  Three young females disappear without trace, what links them all?  The presence in the area they were last seen in of a known child abuser and rapist who harbours fantasies about abducting children and disposing of their bodies in a manner that they will never be found again.  I mean, what a coincidence especially in the cases of Joana and Madeleine both to disappear within months of each other, taken from a sparsely populated part of the Algarve and vanished into thin air, what are the chances of that happening?  And that's before we get onto the witness evidence that Bruckner confessed to taking Madeleine, the dark web chats, the child sex abuse images buried under a dead dog, the vehicles matching sightings in the cases, etc.  Yes he was ruled out of the Inga Gehricke case, but very much ruled into the Madeleine case, can the police be both right and wrong at the same time?  Can a suspect who has been ruled out be later ruled in again when more evidence comes to light?  McCann sceptics might like to think so, after all the objects of their suspicion were ruled out years ago, and Gerry was certainly ruled out by the police of being Smithman but it doesn't stop the continuous harping on about it....

That's all very well, but Joana wasn't abducted. She was murdered by her mother & uncle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: Lace on March 20, 2024, 03:25:03 PM
Too many coincidences for me.  We don't know what vehicle Madeleine was taken away in,  so every van, car have to be investigated.   Trouble is CB had many cars and scrapped some of them.  Madeleines abduction was planned way in advance IMO and everything was meticulously thought through.

How do you know Madeleine was taken in a vehicle?  Can you start by explaining that. I mean, there's no sightings of her being bundled into a van or car, so how do you reach this conclusion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 04:19:44 PM

Everything was meticulously thought through. Brueckner planned that the best time to snatch Maddie was right at the time Gerry was due to do his regular check, such that CB had to hide in the wardrobe until after he left.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 04:47:24 PM
Quote from: jassi on March 20, 2024, 02:15:07 PM
What do you think ?

I think...just blue sky thinking here. I think that, seeing as though there are zero sightings of CB abducting Maddie, then it probably wasn't him. There is a sighting of Madeleine's father abducting her though, so it's more likely it was him, than Brueckner. At least, that's my logical assessment of the available abduction evidence anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 20, 2024, 04:55:33 PM
I wonder what woke the troll from its long slumber?  Must be the warmer weather bringing such creatures out of hibernation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on March 20, 2024, 04:55:33 PM
I wonder what woke the troll from its long slumber?  Must be the warmer weather bringing such creatures out of hibernation.

Idiots claiming that Joana was abducted. I find it hard to sit by & watch morons continually suggest such outright nonsense.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 05:50:42 PM

Wait, sorry. That was unnecessary of me. I do apologise. Having thought about it a little further I will have to concede that there is a similarity between the Joana & Maddie cases. That is to say that in both instances of the children being abducted, neither parents (or uncle), saw fit to pick up the phone & call the police to report the crime immediately. A strange coincidence, but it's probably not important.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 20, 2024, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on March 20, 2024, 04:55:33 PM
I wonder what woke the troll from its long slumber?  Must be the warmer weather bringing such creatures out of hibernation.

It"s been really pleasant here this last few weeks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 21, 2024, 07:21:10 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on March 20, 2024, 07:42:28 PM
It"s been really pleasant here this last few weeks.
SUN EXCLUSIVE:

Three Billy Goats Gruff marched over the Red Forum's rickety-rackety bridge recently and woke up the resident Big Bad Troll.

Thought Police are out in force searching for the escaped voluble Beast and hope to confine him to a permanently soundproof box at the earliest opportunity.

People are warned not to approach him as they're liable to get a mouthful of gratuitous McCann abuse.

Stay Safe Everyone!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 21, 2024, 08:43:17 AM
Quote from: Myster on March 21, 2024, 07:21:10 AM
SUN EXCLUSIVE:

Three Billy Goats Gruff marched over the Red Forum's rickety-rackety bridge recently and woke up the resident Big Bad Troll.

Thought Police are out in force searching for the escaped voluble Beast and hope to confine him to a permanently soundproof box at the earliest opportunity.

People are warned not to approach him as they're liable to get a mouthful of gratuitous McCann abuse.

Stay Safe Everyone!

Not to mention Libel?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 21, 2024, 09:19:54 AM
Quote from: Myster on March 21, 2024, 07:21:10 AM
SUN EXCLUSIVE:

Three Billy Goats Gruff marched over the Red Forum's rickety-rackety bridge recently and woke up the resident Big Bad Troll.

Thought Police are out in force searching for the escaped voluble Beast and hope to confine him to a permanently soundproof box at the earliest opportunity.

People are warned not to approach him as they're liable to get a mouthful of gratuitous McCann abuse.



Stay Safe Everyone!

It certainly seems that way  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on March 21, 2024, 09:34:26 AM
Yes the abductor did go into the apartment when Gerry came to do a check,  but a check had already been done before Gerry,  so the abductor thought there was at least 30 minutes before the next one. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 22, 2024, 12:26:58 AM
Quote from: Lace on March 20, 2024, 09:58:11 AM
Wasn't a white van seen when Joana went missing?

From memory, a black limousine and a motorcampervan were seen.   The latter, was I believe white and brown and a man was living in it, for a few days, very close to Joanas home.   This van and driver vanished at about the same time that Joana did.   It was found abandoned in a field in PdL.

Bruckner lived in PdL.

At the time there was speculation about this van man having abducted Madeleine.

But there is insuffient information to be certain that Bruckner was involved.   However, interesting pointers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 22, 2024, 12:33:11 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on March 20, 2024, 04:06:16 PM
That's all very well, but Joana wasn't abducted. She was murdered by her mother & uncle.

What ill informed and bigotted rubbish, WS.   No facts at all.   

Just the figments of Amaral and Cristovaos imaginations.   Both men have criminal records and are Court proven liars
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 22, 2024, 01:42:36 PM
Quote from: sadie on March 22, 2024, 12:33:11 AM
What ill informed and bigotted rubbish, WS.   No facts at all.   

Just the figments of Amaral and Cristovaos imaginations.   Both men have criminal records and are Court proven liars

None of this changes the fact that Joana wasn't abducted. There's zero evidence Joana was abducted. None, nothing, zilch. There is however, evidence that Leonor blamed her brother for Joana's disappearance. Strange thing to do considering he was completely innocent & a stranger had abducted Joana, iyo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 23, 2024, 02:05:44 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on March 22, 2024, 01:42:36 PM
None of this changes the fact that Joana wasn't abducted. There's zero evidence Joana was abducted. None, nothing, zilch. There is however, evidence that Leonor blamed her brother for Joana's disappearance. Strange thing to do considering he was completely innocent & a stranger had abducted Joana, iyo.

Joana was almost certainly abducted

Pointers:

1.  The photo of Madeleine in Zinat on the wo/mans back being carried,  Complete with suitcases for a journey carried in a wheelbarrow.   A girl who was almost without doubt Joana was in this photo, walking alongside.   This was in the Rif Mountains and the date coincidently lined up with the date that a certain Raymond Hewlett was summoned by phone to pack up camp and leave immediately.   His route North to the sea crossing took him thru Zinat in the Rif Mountains of Morocco..

He had six blond children .   My bet is that Madeleine was drugged and asleep, 'poorly', in the van with all the other kids creating havoc, destracting any inquisitive eyes.
Hewlett admitted seeing Madeleine but claimed he did not abduct her

2.  The campervan that was parked for several days near Joanas home vanishing at the same time as Joana did

3.  Said campervan being abandoned in a field in PdL.   People do not abandon their 'home' without reason.   Or even their holiday Home.  This is very suspicious IMO

4.  Then there was a suspicious black limousine noted cruising around Figuiera where all this happened.  A certain suspect owns a black limousine and happily spent periods sleeping in a small campervan.   this is not proof of any guilt , but the facts should be mentioned.

5.  There is another reason which may or may not be correct, so I am unable to share.



And, of couse European business men kept child harems in Morocco.   I think that Joana and Madeleine were probably kept at such a place, although with their special bloodlines, I doubt either was sexually abused.
I have posted information about these harems at least twice on this forum, but haven’t been  able to find it and it appears to have been wiped from the internet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 23, 2024, 06:29:24 AM
More from TOP on Brueckner's Sprinter van...

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/03/22/maddie-link-is-new-hunt-for-missing-inga-gehricke-linked-to-white-van-once-leased-by-chief-suspect-christian-brueckner/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/03/22/maddie-link-is-new-hunt-for-missing-inga-gehricke-linked-to-white-van-once-leased-by-chief-suspect-christian-brueckner/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 23, 2024, 06:41:25 AM
Quote from: sadie on March 23, 2024, 02:05:44 AM

Pointers:
1.  The photo of Madeleine in Zinat on the wo/mans back being carried,  Complete with suitcases for a journey carried in a wheelbarrow.   A girl who was almost without doubt Joana was in this photo, walking alongside.   This was in the Rif Mountains and the date coincidently lined up with the date that a certain Raymond Hewlett was summoned by phone to pack up camp and leave immediately.   His route North to the sea crossing took him thru Zinat in the Rif Mountains of Morocco..

That is NOT Madeleine...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 23, 2024, 07:15:45 AM
Comparing Madeleine and Bushra/Zinat photos...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 23, 2024, 08:11:54 AM
More proof...

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/girl-in-madeleine-in-morocco-photo-is-peasant-farmers-daughter-bushra-7265451.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/girl-in-madeleine-in-morocco-photo-is-peasant-farmers-daughter-bushra-7265451.html)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1564280/Morocco-photo-is-not-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1564280/Morocco-photo-is-not-Madeleine-McCann.html)

https://www.alamy.com/3-year-old-bushra-binhisa-with-her-father-hamid-mother-hafidah-and-sister-souhaila-in-the-family-home-in-the-city-of-zinat-morocco-september-26-2007-a-picture-of-bushra-stirred-up-the-world-press-through-her-likeness-with-the-disappeared-english-girl-madeleine-image441614601.html (https://www.alamy.com/3-year-old-bushra-binhisa-with-her-father-hamid-mother-hafidah-and-sister-souhaila-in-the-family-home-in-the-city-of-zinat-morocco-september-26-2007-a-picture-of-bushra-stirred-up-the-world-press-through-her-likeness-with-the-disappeared-english-girl-madeleine-image441614601.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 23, 2024, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: Myster on March 23, 2024, 06:41:25 AM
That is NOT Madeleine...

I agree - that is not Madeleine - but neither is it the little girl in the original photograph.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 23, 2024, 09:24:04 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 23, 2024, 09:08:29 AM
I agree - that is not Madeleine - but neither is it the little girl in the original photograph.
Of course it is!  And Joana Cipriano isn't in the original photo either.  I smell a conspiracy theory wafting through the air...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 23, 2024, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: Myster on March 23, 2024, 06:41:25 AM
That is NOT Madeleine...

(https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=19429;image)



Of course it isn't Madeleine. 

The image you show was taken several days after Madeleines image on a wo/mans back was published on the internet.   

 

It is a staged photograph of Bushra on her mothers back taken several days later.

Disinformation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 23, 2024, 10:20:48 PM
Quote from: Brietta on March 23, 2024, 09:08:29 AM
I agree - that is not Madeleine - but neither is it the little girl in the original photograph.



Sorry Brie, but almost certainly the little girl being carried is Madeleine.   As a secondary school art teacher I used to teach portraiture and figure drawing and speak with some authority.
I know that Ret Sym (Myster) is quite an artist too, but it aint portraiture.

From the body and head the little girl in the orange top is almost certainly Joana.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on March 24, 2024, 08:59:08 AM
I agree, Sadie. Especially the calves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on March 24, 2024, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: Myster on March 23, 2024, 09:24:04 AM
Of course it is!  And Joana Cipriano isn't in the original photo either.  I smell a conspiracy theory wafting through the air...
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/2ndNotMadBackG_800x486.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-484083/Girl-Madeleine-Morocco-photo-peasant-farmers-daughter-Bushra.html

The little girl traced by a reporter who stepped directly off a London flight to immediately locate the Binhasa family to a remote village within the vastness of Morocco does indeed smack of something or other. One issue being that these photographs show different children. As the Spanish journalist says about the child he saw, "the child doesn't look that much like Madeleine", but that can be seen from the photo shoot. Whereas the original photograph tells a different story.

Snip
Javier Garcia, a Spanish reporter from the TV station Tele5, told ABC News that he met the family this morning. "Close up, the child doesn't look that much like Madeleine," Garcia said.

The original photograph, shot by a Spanish tourist last month, showed Bushra being carried on a woman's back in a sling. The woman was her mother, according to Garcia.

"I can see how someone might have made the connection, if they were going past in a speeding bus and saw a blond child with a darker-skinned adult," Razzaq told ABC News.

"To be frank, it's a bit of racial profiling really," he added, saying, "I guess people don't expect to see a blond girl in the middle of a Moroccan village, even though the Berber people, to which Bushra's family belong, are occasionally known to have pale skin and blue eyes."
https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=3653804&page=1
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 25, 2024, 02:00:03 AM
Quote from: Anthro on March 24, 2024, 08:59:08 AM
I agree, Sadie. Especially the calves.

Thank you Anthro.   It is good that someone observant and intelligent agrees.

I am having problems showing images.   It just takes me too long these days.  Good to see the two images  side by side


So,

1)  we have the similar calves.   Added weight was added when someone addded false calves to the Zinat photo..  Someone is very keen that people dont realize that the little girl in orange is likely Joana

2)  The brow is also very distinctive.  It is the same as the brow of her baby brother and fairly unusual

3)  The ankles too are odd on both images .... sort of flat footed and  the feet are not as directly under the ankles as is
      usual.

4)  I haven't looked to see if Joana is sucking her thumb on any other pictures .... I wonder?   
     I think tht she might be on the picture in a cafe with Leanor and Leandro, but I am happy to be proven wrong on
     that one



And, of course, if these two girls are Madeleine ans Joana, then a Eurpean Businessman probably has his child harem  close by.

Hmmm

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on March 25, 2024, 02:27:05 AM
Quote from: Brietta on March 24, 2024, 11:25:11 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/2ndNotMadBackG_800x486.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-484083/Girl-Madeleine-Morocco-photo-peasant-farmers-daughter-Bushra.html

The little girl traced by a reporter who stepped directly off a London flight to immediately locate the Binhasa family to a remote village within the vastness of Morocco does indeed smack of something or other. One issue being that these photographs show different children. As the Spanish journalist says about the child he saw, "the child doesn't look that much like Madeleine", but that can be seen from the photo shoot. Whereas the original photograph tells a different story.

Snip
Javier Garcia, a Spanish reporter from the TV station Tele5, told ABC News that he met the family this morning. "Close up, the child doesn't look that much like Madeleine," Garcia said.

The original photograph, shot by a Spanish tourist last month, showed Bushra being carried on a woman's back in a sling. The woman was her mother, according to Garcia.

"I can see how someone might have made the connection, if they were going past in a speeding bus and saw a blond child with a darker-skinned adult," Razzaq told ABC News.

"To be frank, it's a bit of racial profiling really," he added, saying, "I guess people don't expect to see a blond girl in the middle of a Moroccan village, even though the Berber people, to which Bushra's family belong, are occasionally known to have pale skin and blue eyes."
https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=3653804&page=1

Thanks, Brie.

Makes you wonder how the reporter got there so fast, doesn't it?

I wonder if he was fast tracked there?   It took me weeks to pinpoint Zinat on Google Earth.   In fact it falsely took me to another place that had Zinat in its name.  That was amny miles away up towards Tangier.

The correct Zinat was on Raymond Hewletts direct route to Chefchaoun where they settled with him smoking Kif.  Settled until he got the call to pack up and leave immediately.  Tht was on the day that Madeleine was spotted by Miss Torres.


Was it a mighty co-incidence?   Or did it point to Hewlett picking Madeleine and lady minder up at Zinat to return them to the port?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 25, 2024, 06:50:01 AM
And it isn't/wasn't Joana either.  How many girls in Morocco had identical cankles and flat feet one wonders?

Thanks greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 25, 2024, 07:44:10 AM
Hafida Akchar, Bouchra's mother, carrying their family registration certificate.  Let this be the last we read here about Bouchra/Bushra being Madeleine or her ma being a male stand-in!...

https://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-photo/this-picture-taken-26-september-2007-in-zinat-northern-news-photo/77036915 (https://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-photo/this-picture-taken-26-september-2007-in-zinat-northern-news-photo/77036915)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on March 25, 2024, 06:46:24 PM

Any thoughts on these two unknown victims of Rape Charges?  The older of the two could be dead by now.  But the MO is all too familiar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 26, 2024, 07:29:24 AM
No new news other than the trial's been extended to October... but I thought that was already a given.

Or on the other two rape victims... the younger one might give her evidence in written statement/pre-recorded video form or appear in person like Hazel Behan, who knows?

Brueckner giving Fulscher that "Devil Incarnate" look.  How he's managed to squeeze into a teenager's jacket is one of the great mysteries of the Universe...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on March 26, 2024, 09:13:51 AM
Quote from: Myster on March 26, 2024, 07:29:24 AM
No new news other than the trial's been extended to October... but I thought that was already a given.

Or on the other two rape victims... the younger one might give her evidence in written statement/pre-recorded video form or appear in person like Hazel Behan, who knows?

Brueckner giving Fulscher that "Devil Incarnate" look.  How he's managed to squeeze into a teenager's jacket is one of the great mysteries of the Universe...

I think not, otherwise thee would have been more detail on the indictment  regarding age and date of offence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on March 27, 2024, 07:14:45 AM
Ralph H reveals his thoughts about Brueckner and Nicole F to The Olive Press...

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/03/26/exclusive-wanted-accomplice-and-friend-of-christian-brueckner-speaks-out-hes-a-monster-and-im-sure-he-knows-what-happened-to-madeleine-mccann/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/03/26/exclusive-wanted-accomplice-and-friend-of-christian-brueckner-speaks-out-hes-a-monster-and-im-sure-he-knows-what-happened-to-madeleine-mccann/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 01, 2024, 06:47:52 AM
BKA allegedly examining Brueckner's Sprinter van, unless of course it's been crushed, cubed and melted down at a Chinese steel foundry...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13258003/German-police-probe-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-van-DNA-clues.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13258003/German-police-probe-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckners-van-DNA-clues.html)

Play resumes April 2nd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 01, 2024, 06:11:05 PM
The climber's Sprinter van, examined we are told by the BKA... with an advert written in dust on the back door - AUCH IN WEISS ERHÄLTLICH...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 01, 2024, 07:53:59 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 01, 2024, 06:11:05 PM
The climber's Sprinter van, examined we are told by the BKA... with an advert written in dust on the back door - AUCH IN WEISS ERHÄLTLICH...
Where do you see the writing?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 01, 2024, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 01, 2024, 07:53:59 PM
Where do you see the writing?
What is special about today, Anthro?  8(0(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on April 01, 2024, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 01, 2024, 08:43:01 PM
What is special about today, Anthro?  8(0(*
Okay. I get it now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 01, 2024, 09:26:42 PM
Quote from: Anthro on April 01, 2024, 09:04:27 PM
Okay. I get it now.
In the UK you sometimes see dirty white vans on which some joker has daubed - ALSO AVAILABLE IN WHITE - with their finger.  Not sure if the same applies in SA?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 03, 2024, 11:56:50 AM
Day 5 (or 6... I've lost count because of this crazy staggered trial agenda).

Defence up to their usual delaying tricks and Helge Busching's turn to spill the beans...

https://news.sky.com/story/christian-b-trial-madeleine-mccann-suspect-cannot-get-a-fair-trial-defence-claims-13107024 (https://news.sky.com/story/christian-b-trial-madeleine-mccann-suspect-cannot-get-a-fair-trial-defence-claims-13107024)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13266779/Christian-Brueckner-returns-court-face-former-friend-tell-rape-trial-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-expert-lock-picker-break-property.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13266779/Christian-Brueckner-returns-court-face-former-friend-tell-rape-trial-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-expert-lock-picker-break-property.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on April 03, 2024, 05:46:54 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 03, 2024, 11:56:50 AM
Day 5 (or 6... I've lost count because of this crazy staggered trial agenda).

Defence up to their usual delaying tricks and Helge Busching's turn to spill the beans...

https://news.sky.com/story/christian-b-trial-madeleine-mccann-suspect-cannot-get-a-fair-trial-defence-claims-13107024 (https://news.sky.com/story/christian-b-trial-madeleine-mccann-suspect-cannot-get-a-fair-trial-defence-claims-13107024)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13266779/Christian-Brueckner-returns-court-face-former-friend-tell-rape-trial-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-expert-lock-picker-break-property.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13266779/Christian-Brueckner-returns-court-face-former-friend-tell-rape-trial-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-expert-lock-picker-break-property.html)

Rather than spilling the beans he has just made himself look more dodgy. Changing what he’d done with the alleged rape tape during giving evidence. You really couldn’t make it up….oh wait!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 03, 2024, 06:13:40 PM
Quote from: faithlilly on April 03, 2024, 05:46:54 PM
Rather than spilling the beans he has just made himself look more dodgy. Changing what he’d done with the alleged rape tape during giving evidence. You really couldn’t make it up….oh wait!
The problem is Faithlilly, the rapes he described having seen on the video mirror the rape that CB was found guilty of a few years back, the rape for which forensic evidence was discovered linking CB to the crime.  No matter how dodgy you think the witness is, them’s the facts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 04, 2024, 08:30:30 AM
Brunty catching up with the yesterday's court shenanigans... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRKZWkB0_qM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRKZWkB0_qM)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 04, 2024, 10:47:43 AM
Well padded out with old footage and  extraneous bits about Madeleine and Edgar.
Probably less than half was actually about yesterday's proceedings.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 04, 2024, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 04, 2024, 10:47:43 AM
Well padded out with old footage and  extraneous bits about Madeleine and Edgar.
Probably less than half was actually about yesterday's proceedings.
There's no pleasing some people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 04, 2024, 04:17:58 PM

I have found the perfect Actor to play Brueckner when the time inevitably comes.

Steven Mackintosh.  He even looks like Brueckner and he is nearly the same age. Poor Soul. Or not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 04, 2024, 05:14:52 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 04, 2024, 04:17:58 PM
I have found the perfect Actor to play Brueckner when the time inevitably comes.

Steven Mackintosh.  He even looks like Brueckner and he is nearly the same age. Poor Soul. Or not.
ooh you’re not wrong
https://images.app.goo.gl/Pme6FdcF2L1JNSom8   
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 04, 2024, 05:50:03 PM
Firstly an audition required to prove his German accent was up to scratch, then a bottle of theatrical collodion liberally applied to take care of scars and pock marks, finally a couple of prosthetic horn implants and he'd be a dead ringer for Beelzebruckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 04, 2024, 10:52:05 PM
Who’s been a naughty boy then?
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/04/04/exclusive-lawyer-of-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-is-accused-of-dirty-tactics-in-court-as-witness-claims-they-saw-paedophiles-home-made-rape-videos/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 05, 2024, 11:32:16 AM
Incredible!  Court actually sitting for two days in a row, with Michael Tatschl giving further incriminating evidence and the climber getting more mileage out of his unbuttonable jacket...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13275203/Christian-Brueckner-madeleine-mccann-suspect-break-hotel-apartments-naked-court-hears.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13275203/Christian-Brueckner-madeleine-mccann-suspect-break-hotel-apartments-naked-court-hears.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-32517791 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-32517791)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 05, 2024, 02:43:49 PM
The story about him going burglar-ling while in the nude is a strange one.
Would he not be more likely to leave DNA traces behind than if he were clothed  - skin cells and hairs?
Not to mention drawing attention to himself if seen out and about ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 05, 2024, 02:59:54 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 05, 2024, 02:43:49 PM
The story about him going burglar-ling while in the nude is a strange one.
Would he not be more likely to leave DNA traces behind than if he were clothed  - skin cells and hairs?
Not to mention drawing attention to himself if seen out and about ?
Given that the man is a pervert and rapist I would think being naked and creeping into rooms with sleeping teenage girls in it would be right up his strasse.  And there does seem to be a streak of exhibitionism and a desire to be caught in flagrante in some of his previous actions. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2024, 06:55:25 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 05, 2024, 02:43:49 PM
The story about him going burglar-ling while in the nude is a strange one.
Would he not be more likely to leave DNA traces behind than if he were clothed  - skin cells and hairs?
Not to mention drawing attention to himself if seen out and about ?
An interesting point about Brueckner is that he does not appear to have been seen indulging in any of his allegedly prolific burglaries nor do I recall him doing time for any of them. He seems to have led a life relatively secure from interference by the Portuguese police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 05, 2024, 07:20:25 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 05, 2024, 06:55:25 PM
An interesting point about Brueckner is that he does not appear to have been seen indulging in any of his allegedly prolific burglaries nor do I recall him doing time for any of them. He seems to have led a life relatively secure from interference by the Portuguese police.

Perhaps he knew he was secure from interference from The PJ.  Seventeen years is a long time, during which No Red Flags ever arose.  Something rotten in The State of Portugal?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2024, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on April 05, 2024, 02:59:54 PM
Given that the man is a pervert and rapist I would think being naked and creeping into rooms with sleeping teenage girls in it would be right up his strasse.  And there does seem to be a streak of exhibitionism and a desire to be caught in flagrante in some of his previous actions.
"Flashers" mystify me. But they obviously derive some measure of satisfaction from the practice and it is independently confirmed that Brueckner had a hoard of weird attire and wigs amongst his possessions. Very covert when he needs to be to the point of being 'invisible' - tempered with exhibitionism when he is control of time and place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 05, 2024, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 05, 2024, 07:20:25 PM
Perhaps he knew he was secure from interference from The PJ.  Seventeen years is a long time, during which No Red Flags ever arose.  Something rotten in The State of Portugal?

Certainly there was as far as  Brueckner was concerned. For a man who made a living from the proceeds of crime he led a charmed life in Portugal as far as the police were concerned despite the fact he was known to them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 06, 2024, 06:27:34 AM
Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and his mate...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27152898/madeline-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-phone-call/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27152898/madeline-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-phone-call/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 06, 2024, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: Brietta on April 05, 2024, 06:55:25 PM
An interesting point about Brueckner is that he does not appear to have been seen indulging in any of his allegedly prolific burglaries nor do I recall him doing time for any of them. He seems to have led a life relatively secure from interference by the Portuguese police.

Yes he did strangely enough.  People said he had a gun and they were afraid of him,  if they knew what was going on they wouldn't be saying anything to the police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 06, 2024, 12:51:55 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 06, 2024, 06:27:34 AM
Slowly, slowly catchy monkey and his mate...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27152898/madeline-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-phone-call/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27152898/madeline-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-phone-call/)

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 07, 2024, 02:13:29 AM
In light of the Tomar connection being mentioned again, has anyone here ever read this book which Carana linked to years ago?


https://www.bertrand.pt/livro/uns-feios-outros-porcos-todos-maus-paulo-pereira-cristovao/219930
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 07, 2024, 08:05:16 AM
Quote from: misty on April 07, 2024, 02:13:29 AM
In light of the Tomar connection being mentioned again, has anyone here ever read this book which Carana linked to years ago?

https://www.bertrand.pt/livro/uns-feios-outros-porcos-todos-maus-paulo-pereira-cristovao/219930 (https://www.bertrand.pt/livro/uns-feios-outros-porcos-todos-maus-paulo-pereira-cristovao/219930)
Nope, a smattering of French and a spluttering of German is about all I can manage, soz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 07, 2024, 08:26:17 AM
How come none of the other rags mentioned that Nicole F gave evidence at trial on Friday?  Rob Pattinson claims that she owned the "White House" at Farol(sic)*, whereas I thought it belonged to a middle-aged Portuguese woman, Lea Silva...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27162944/madeline-mccann-search-property-christian-brueckner/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27162944/madeline-mccann-search-property-christian-brueckner/)

*Foral

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8395389/Could-evidence-house-lead-police-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8395389/Could-evidence-house-lead-police-Madeleine-McCann.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 07, 2024, 12:44:15 PM
The Invisible Man is alive, sick and talking a load of b@llocks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPIbGDVB_o&list=PL0k28-yllXI13yNW2qoCcqc-RU8wlDb40&index=1&ab_channel=NewsShowTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPIbGDVB_o&list=PL0k28-yllXI13yNW2qoCcqc-RU8wlDb40&index=1&ab_channel=NewsShowTV)

Grimm Fairy Tale to be published May 2nd by a Lisbon-based firm (Say no more!)...

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/07/new-madeleine-mccann-book-will-claim-missing-tot-already-dead-20601488/ (https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/07/new-madeleine-mccann-book-will-claim-missing-tot-already-dead-20601488/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 07, 2024, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 07, 2024, 12:44:15 PM
The Invisible Man is alive, sick and talking a load of b@llocks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPIbGDVB_o&list=PL0k28-yllXI13yNW2qoCcqc-RU8wlDb40&index=1&ab_channel=NewsShowTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPIbGDVB_o&list=PL0k28-yllXI13yNW2qoCcqc-RU8wlDb40&index=1&ab_channel=NewsShowTV)

Grimm Fairy Tale to be published May 2nd by a Lisbon-based firm (Say no more!)...

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/07/new-madeleine-mccann-book-will-claim-missing-tot-already-dead-20601488/ (https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/07/new-madeleine-mccann-book-will-claim-missing-tot-already-dead-20601488/)
Jesus wept - the interview is like a Brass Eye documentary.  I hope all the Maddie sceptics on this forum are proud to have their views represented by this weirdo (who obviously got a drone camera for Christmas).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 07, 2024, 02:23:13 PM
Well Well.  You'll all have to wait and see.  I'm not buying it myself.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 07, 2024, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 07, 2024, 02:23:13 PM
Well Well.  You'll all have to wait and see.
I had to consult me calendar to see if I'd missed April 1st.  The net is festooned with thousands of fruit-loops unfortunately.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 07, 2024, 03:11:30 PM
I liked the way the barmy masked man tutted before every answer.  Actually I didn’t really, I found it quite annoying. Tut.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 07, 2024, 05:36:49 PM
I know who it is!  He talks in riddles, so it must be Eric Monobrow Cantona...

https://youtu.be/TbwV5XX6phU?si=rjVuzLB9U5RWQFbF&t=5 (https://youtu.be/TbwV5XX6phU?si=rjVuzLB9U5RWQFbF&t=5)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 07, 2024, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 07, 2024, 05:36:49 PM
I know who it is!  He talks in riddles, so it must be Eric Monobrow Cantona...

https://youtu.be/TbwV5XX6phU?si=rjVuzLB9U5RWQFbF&t=5 (https://youtu.be/TbwV5XX6phU?si=rjVuzLB9U5RWQFbF&t=5)
Don’t be dissing one of the greatest men to ever walk the planet in this way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 07, 2024, 06:19:27 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 07, 2024, 12:44:15 PM
The Invisible Man is alive, sick and talking a load of b@llocks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPIbGDVB_o&list=PL0k28-yllXI13yNW2qoCcqc-RU8wlDb40&index=1&ab_channel=NewsShowTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPIbGDVB_o&list=PL0k28-yllXI13yNW2qoCcqc-RU8wlDb40&index=1&ab_channel=NewsShowTV)

Grimm Fairy Tale to be published May 2nd by a Lisbon-based firm (Say no more!)...

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/07/new-madeleine-mccann-book-will-claim-missing-tot-already-dead-20601488/ (https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/07/new-madeleine-mccann-book-will-claim-missing-tot-already-dead-20601488/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 07, 2024, 06:30:27 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 07, 2024, 12:44:15 PM
The Invisible Man is alive, sick and talking a load of b@llocks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPIbGDVB_o&list=PL0k28-yllXI13yNW2qoCcqc-RU8wlDb40&index=1&ab_channel=NewsShowTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPIbGDVB_o&list=PL0k28-yllXI13yNW2qoCcqc-RU8wlDb40&index=1&ab_channel=NewsShowTV)

Grimm Fairy Tale to be published May 2nd by a Lisbon-based firm (Say no more!)...

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/07/new-madeleine-mccann-book-will-claim-missing-tot-already-dead-20601488/ (https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/07/new-madeleine-mccann-book-will-claim-missing-tot-already-dead-20601488/)


Well this guy takes the biscuit.  What an idiot.  Standing on that cliff like a caped crusader,  how dramatic,  he's a real attention seeker.  I laughed at the way the host kept sighing loudly.  I bet he couldn't wait to get rid of him  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 07, 2024, 07:27:47 PM

The use of "scapegoat" is highly suspicious.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 09, 2024, 06:14:31 AM
Two and a half hours of sheer tedium and pot calling the kettle...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6GiiX6acjA&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6GiiX6acjA&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 09, 2024, 08:07:36 AM
Quote from: Myster on April 09, 2024, 06:14:31 AM
Two and a half hours of sheer tedium and pot calling the kettle...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6GiiX6acjA&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6GiiX6acjA&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown)

Oh God, it's too early in the morning for this, so I've put it on hold in case I get mind blowingly bored at some time during the day.  Although I have to say that Katie Price is looking infinitely more interesting at the moment.

But if someone fancies watching it for me please do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 09, 2024, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: Myster on April 09, 2024, 06:14:31 AM
Two and a half hours of sheer tedium and pot calling the kettle...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6GiiX6acjA&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6GiiX6acjA&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown)
Is this a not a case of the barmpot getting excited about the witterings of the barmierpot?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 10, 2024, 02:45:54 PM
Day 7:

Two young German women, Andrea Barth and Yvonne Baumann who escaped Brueckner's spider web in 2003...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terrified-tourist-thought-madeleine-mccann-32555296 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terrified-tourist-thought-madeleine-mccann-32555296)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13291865/Woman-invited-holiday-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-feared-rape-armed-knife-sex-trial.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13291865/Woman-invited-holiday-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-feared-rape-armed-knife-sex-trial.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 10, 2024, 07:13:37 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 10, 2024, 02:45:54 PM
Day 7:

Two young German women, Andrea Barth and Yvonne Baumann who escaped Brueckner's spider web in 2003...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terrified-tourist-thought-madeleine-mccann-32555296 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terrified-tourist-thought-madeleine-mccann-32555296)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13291865/Woman-invited-holiday-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-feared-rape-armed-knife-sex-trial.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13291865/Woman-invited-holiday-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-feared-rape-armed-knife-sex-trial.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490)

That's a bit emotive. Was any evidence provided that he had designs on these women ?
Or was it just their imagination ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 10, 2024, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 10, 2024, 07:13:37 PM
That's a bit emotive. Was any evidence provided that he had designs on these women ?
Or was it just their imagination ?
The two women were scared! Of being alone at night in an isolated squat with a man they hardly knew, and far more apt than Fulscher's assertion that they were only frightened of its resident spiders.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 10, 2024, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 10, 2024, 07:29:43 PM
The two women were scared! Of being alone at night in an isolated squat with a man they hardly knew, and far more apt than Fulscher's assertion that they were only frightened of its resident spiders.

Yep.  I thought the Spider thingy was hilarious, not to forget downright stupid.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 10, 2024, 09:22:44 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 10, 2024, 07:55:20 PM
Yep.  I thought the Spider thingy was hilarious, not to forget downright stupid.
Come to think of it, Brueckner was a Spiderman manque - lean, sinewy and fit, good at scaling buildings day or night, wearing a tight leotard and two eye-hole ski mask.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 11, 2024, 09:49:39 AM
Quote from: Myster on April 10, 2024, 09:22:44 PM
Come to think of it, Brueckner was a Spiderman manque - lean, sinewy and fit, good at scaling buildings day or night, wearing a tight leotard and two eye-hole ski mask.

Perhaps that's who he thought he was.  But I can't imagine where the idea of Rape came from.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 12, 2024, 06:42:39 AM
'EXCLUSIVE' from The Olive Press - sounds like there's some friction between Dieter F and his daughter...

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/04/11/exclusive-father-of-christian-brueckners-ex-girlfriend-fears-madeleine-mccann-could-be-buried-at-his-daughters-former-home-in-portugal-as-he-pleads-with-police-to-dig-up-the-garden/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/04/11/exclusive-father-of-christian-brueckners-ex-girlfriend-fears-madeleine-mccann-could-be-buried-at-his-daughters-former-home-in-portugal-as-he-pleads-with-police-to-dig-up-the-garden/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 12, 2024, 07:15:23 AM
Quote from: Myster on April 12, 2024, 06:42:39 AM
'EXCLUSIVE' from The Olive Press - sounds like there's some friction between Dieter F and his daughter...

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/04/11/exclusive-father-of-christian-brueckners-ex-girlfriend-fears-madeleine-mccann-could-be-buried-at-his-daughters-former-home-in-portugal-as-he-pleads-with-police-to-dig-up-the-garden/ (https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/04/11/exclusive-father-of-christian-brueckners-ex-girlfriend-fears-madeleine-mccann-could-be-buried-at-his-daughters-former-home-in-portugal-as-he-pleads-with-police-to-dig-up-the-garden/)
I must say his concerns do sound horribly plausible but what are the chances of persuading the PJ to do a search in this garden…?  Where’s Martin Grime and his infallible hounds when you need them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 12, 2024, 07:30:51 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on April 12, 2024, 07:15:23 AM
I must say his concerns do sound horribly plausible but what are the chances of persuading the PJ to do a search in this garden…?  Where’s Martin Grime and his infallible hounds when you need them?
Surely Lia Silva's pack of hounds would have dug up any body by now, much like John Christie's terrier unearthed the skull of Muriel Eady.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 12, 2024, 09:34:12 AM
Day 8:

Several Portuguese witnesses to appear by video link today...

https://archive.ph/7ee1T (https://archive.ph/7ee1T)

If it fails to display in English.....

Braunschweig. The 47-year-old Christian B. is said to have masturbated in front of an 11-year-old in June 2017. Several Portuguese witnesses are interviewed in Braunschweig.

Snails are so popular as a summer snack among the Portuguese that people even dedicate festivals to them. Christian B. is said to have been a visitor to the folk festival in June 2017 in the Algarve town of Bartolomeu de Messinas. The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office accuses him of having masturbated in front of an 11-year-old. This is one of five charges against the 47-year-old in the trial before the Braunschweig regional court. Several Portuguese witnesses will be questioned in the trial via video link on Friday.

According to the prosecution, Christian B. initially made eye contact with the girl who was sitting on a swing in a playground. Without taking his eyes off her, he is said to have first pulled down his trousers, then his underwear and masturbated in front of her. The girl ran to her father and Christian B. was arrested.

It is not the only child abuse case being heard. In July 2007 he is said to have been lurking naked behind a rock on Salema beach in the Faro district. When a 10-year-old girl allegedly came by, he grabbed her wrist and masturbated. He is said to have ordered the child to look at his penis and only released her after he ejaculated.

In 1994, Christian B. was sentenced by the Würzburg district court to two years in juvenile detention for child abuse. To avoid this punishment, he fled to the Algarve coast, was then sought under a European arrest warrant and arrested in 1999. He served his sentence and commuted between Germany and Portugal in the following years. In 2019, the Braunschweig regional court convicted him of raping a US pensioner in Portugal. In the new trial before the regional court, three more rapes are accused.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 12, 2024, 11:20:33 AM
More on today's witness...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-32570440 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-32570440)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 12, 2024, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: Myster on April 12, 2024, 11:20:33 AM
More on today's witness...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-32570440 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-32570440)

Thanks for all of the efforts in putting up the articles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 12, 2024, 12:40:36 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 12, 2024, 11:56:51 AM
Thanks for all of the efforts in putting up the articles.
Thank you Eleanor.  They're coming in fast and furious today and a job to keep up, but I'll be off out for the afternoon and a breather shortly.

OG allegedly being asked by Fulscher & Co to attend trial and give evidence...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13300605/british-cops-investigating-madeeleine-mccann-disappearance-testify-christian-brueckner-sex-trial.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13300605/british-cops-investigating-madeeleine-mccann-disappearance-testify-christian-brueckner-sex-trial.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 12, 2024, 01:15:12 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 12, 2024, 12:40:36 PM
Thank you Eleanor.  They're coming in fast and furious today and a job to keep up, but I'll be off out for the afternoon and a breather shortly.

OG allegedly being asked by Fulscher & Co to attend trial and give evidence...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13300605/british-cops-investigating-madeeleine-mccann-disappearance-testify-christian-brueckner-sex-trial.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13300605/british-cops-investigating-madeeleine-mccann-disappearance-testify-christian-brueckner-sex-trial.html)

Quote.  They will have to.  Oh Really.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 15, 2024, 12:25:28 PM
Dr. Fulscher on the subtle difference between urination and masturbation... https://archive.ph/zXw3H (https://archive.ph/zXw3H)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 15, 2024, 03:04:00 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 15, 2024, 12:25:28 PM
Dr. Fulscher on the subtle difference between urination and masturbation... https://archive.ph/zXw3H (https://archive.ph/zXw3H)

Well, well. I never even thought of that.  Peeing and not masturbating.  So Brueckner went around all over the place peeing in front of children.  Is this in itself not a Public Offence?

But you have to admire Fulscher for his brass neck.  Unfortunately, Brueckner is refusing to speak, which means that he won't say what it was that he was doing.  So your guess is as good as mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 15, 2024, 05:29:58 PM
So he needed a pee he goes into a children's playground and drops his trousers.  Who does that?  Why go into a children's play area  to urinate?  Why drop your trousers in front of children?  Fulscher won't win this one.  Though it raised a snigger with the pervert.
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 15, 2024, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: Lace on April 15, 2024, 05:29:58 PM
So he needed a pee he goes into a children's playground and drops his trousers.  Who does that?  Why go into a children's play area  to urinate?  Why drop your trousers in front of children?  Fulscher won't win this one.  Though it raised a snigger with the pervert.
Yes, I’m sure the convicted child abuser had absolutely no intention of exposing himself to children in a children’s play area that had children in it.  Pull the other one Fulshcher, it’s got bells on it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 17, 2024, 12:55:44 PM
Day 9:

Another female witness dishes the dirt on Brueckner...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-sent-mum-32605518 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-sent-mum-32605518)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 17, 2024, 05:29:43 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 17, 2024, 12:55:44 PM
Day 9:

Another female witness dishes the dirt on Brueckner...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-sent-mum-32605518 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-sent-mum-32605518)

OMG stupid woman. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 17, 2024, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: Lace on April 17, 2024, 05:29:43 PM
OMG stupid woman.
The other red top and tabloids seem to be flagging and losing interest in the case, but things should liven up when Hazel Behan takes the stand and gives Team Brueckner a Galway boot up the backside...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 17, 2024, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 17, 2024, 06:13:13 PM
The other red top and tabloids seem to be flagging and losing interest in the case, but things should liven up when Hazel Behan takes the stand and gives Team Brueckner a Galway boot up the backside...

Yes.  Hazel Behan has said she is looking forward to facing Brueckner in court. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 19, 2024, 12:38:24 PM
Day 10:

Another ex jumps off Brueckner's relationship conveyor belt...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckners-32624670 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckners-32624670)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 19, 2024, 01:50:51 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 19, 2024, 12:38:24 PM
Another ex jumps off Brueckner's relationship conveyor belt...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckners-32624670 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckners-32624670)

To say that he was very kind, nice, independent, orderly & approachable.
See, I 've been saying all along that Brueckner is nice guy really & now it's been sworn to under oath.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 19, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on April 19, 2024, 01:50:51 PM
To say that he was very kind, nice, independent, orderly & approachable.
See, I 've been saying all along that Brueckner is nice guy really & now it's been sworn to under oath.
No wonder Freddy looks pleased with himself and his client astonished at such favourable compliments!...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 19, 2024, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 19, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
No wonder Freddy looks pleased with himself and his client astonished at such favourable compliments!...

 Was this  a prosecution witness ?  Can't see what it really added to the case.
Did she not see the video camera and tapes littered about ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on April 20, 2024, 03:04:22 AM
There's much more in this article. It's possible there has been some witness intimidation by the defence.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27430699/maddie-mccann-suspect-told-girlfrined-empty-flat/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 20, 2024, 07:33:22 AM
TOP, first past the post with the latest trial news again... https://archive.ph/bjFiA (https://archive.ph/bjFiA)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2024, 10:38:08 AM

I am beginning to understand what The German Prosecution are doing.  They are marrying the old with the new, the convictions with the new evidence and the credibility of certain witnesses regarding the two apparently unknown victims wherein the MO is ever present.  Hazel Behan's evidence will be crucial so what does Fulscher intend to try to do when she is on The Stand?  Trashing her won't go down well with The Judges.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2024, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 20, 2024, 10:38:08 AM
I am beginning to understand what The German Prosecution are doing.  They are marrying the old with the new, the convictions with the new evidence and the credibility of certain witnesses regarding the two apparently unknown victims wherein the MO is ever present.  Hazel Behan's evidence will be crucial so what does Fulscher intend to try to do when she is on The Stand?  Trashing her won't go down well with The Judges.
I got the impression that his tough questioning of the young woman who witnessed Brueckner
exposing himself to the children in the playground when she was a child didn't go down well.  Particularly when he was admonished from someone at the Portuguese link.
Perhaps he will have learned from that and will conduct future questioning of other survivors more appropriately.

Snip
A Portuguese police officer sitting next to her reminded the Braunschweig regional court that the young woman could be ‘traumatised’ by in-depth cross examination.
But this didn’t stop Brueckner’s defence lawyer Friedrich Fulscher from asking numerous questions about the difference between urinating and masturbating. Was it possible she knew the difference? https://archive.ph/zXw3H#selection-1489.0-1489.196
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2024, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: Brietta on April 20, 2024, 11:22:16 AM
I got the impression that his tough questioning of the young woman who witnessed Brueckner
exposing himself to the children in the playground when she was a child didn't go down well.  Particularly when he was admonished from someone at the Portuguese link.
Perhaps he will have learned from that and will conduct future questioning of other survivors more appropriately.

Snip
A Portuguese police officer sitting next to her reminded the Braunschweig regional court that the young woman could be ‘traumatised’ by in-depth cross examination.
But this didn’t stop Brueckner’s defence lawyer Friedrich Fulscher from asking numerous questions about the difference between urinating and masturbating. Was it possible she knew the difference? https://archive.ph/zXw3H#selection-1489.0-1489.196

There is surely only one question to ask, which I am reluctant to mention.  But under certain physical situations it isn't possible for a man to urinate.  So was it or wasn't it?  I bet Fulscher didn't ask that.  So ultimately nothing gained from traumatising a young girl.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 20, 2024, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 20, 2024, 11:45:52 AM
There is surely only one question to ask, which I am reluctant to mention.  But under certain physical situations it isn't possible for a man to urinate.  So was it or wasn't it? I bet Fulscher didn't ask that.  So ultimately nothing gained from traumatising a young girl.

I think he probably did, as the witness said that CB didn't seem to be aroused.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2024, 03:59:06 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 20, 2024, 01:40:19 PM
I think he probably did, as the witness said that CB didn't seem to be aroused.

Charming, eh what.  In defence of a middle aged predator with convictions for this type of sexual abuse against under aged girl children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 20, 2024, 05:08:39 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 20, 2024, 03:59:06 PM
Charming, eh what. In defence of a middle aged predator with convictions for this type of sexual abuse against under aged girl children.

I guess he's only doing what he's paid to do - defend Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2024, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 20, 2024, 05:08:39 PM
I guess he's only doing what he's paid to do - defend Brueckner.

This is not an excuse for endeavouring to intimidate witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 20, 2024, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 20, 2024, 05:56:35 PM
This is not an excuse for endeavouring to intimidate witnesses.

I suppose that as a defence lawyer, he considered her a hostile witness, to be discredited if at all possible.
Lawyers aren't nice people when they are in a court setting. They are  there to win if at all possible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 20, 2024, 07:11:04 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 20, 2024, 06:32:02 PM
I suppose that as a defence lawyer, he considered her a hostile witness, to be discredited if at all possible.
Lawyers aren't nice people when they are in a court setting. They are  there to win if at all possible.

Thanks for the arguments.  Not a bad effort at all on your part.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 23, 2024, 07:03:29 AM
Yet another irritating video from Aunt Sally, the Amaral worshipper to annoy the f*@# out of Eleanor and other non-sceptic tankers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRuSx1w978&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRuSx1w978&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown)

And the Saunokonoko interview with Wolters to which she refers...

https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BsWAgdcHjkECaUGRSVh62Jo2ItsV0sUI3L5PWc_AUAPS6wJ1ld_DaWXg_aem_AdMELwGhpOJbtdnfeGS9BJbn5SheMp4xHPdMpXgKVPcZG46wqxG90FugKfyDUet0srmrrQbcR9_arCj0nUcthU4b#description (https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BsWAgdcHjkECaUGRSVh62Jo2ItsV0sUI3L5PWc_AUAPS6wJ1ld_DaWXg_aem_AdMELwGhpOJbtdnfeGS9BJbn5SheMp4xHPdMpXgKVPcZG46wqxG90FugKfyDUet0srmrrQbcR9_arCj0nUcthU4b#description)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 23, 2024, 07:29:11 AM
Quote from: Myster on April 23, 2024, 07:03:29 AM
Yet another irritating video from Aunt Sally, the Amaral worshipper to annoy the f*@# out of Eleanor and other non-sceptic tankers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRuSx1w978&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRuSx1w978&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown)

And the Saunokonoko interview with Wolters to which she refers...

https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BsWAgdcHjkECaUGRSVh62Jo2ItsV0sUI3L5PWc_AUAPS6wJ1ld_DaWXg_aem_AdMELwGhpOJbtdnfeGS9BJbn5SheMp4xHPdMpXgKVPcZG46wqxG90FugKfyDUet0srmrrQbcR9_arCj0nUcthU4b#description (https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BsWAgdcHjkECaUGRSVh62Jo2ItsV0sUI3L5PWc_AUAPS6wJ1ld_DaWXg_aem_AdMELwGhpOJbtdnfeGS9BJbn5SheMp4xHPdMpXgKVPcZG46wqxG90FugKfyDUet0srmrrQbcR9_arCj0nUcthU4b#description)
6&%5%
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on April 23, 2024, 10:21:16 AM
Quote from: Myster on April 23, 2024, 07:03:29 AM
Yet another irritating video from Aunt Sally, the Amaral worshipper to annoy the f*@# out of Eleanor and other non-sceptic tankers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRuSx1w978&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRuSx1w978&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown)

And the Saunokonoko interview with Wolters to which she refers...

https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BsWAgdcHjkECaUGRSVh62Jo2ItsV0sUI3L5PWc_AUAPS6wJ1ld_DaWXg_aem_AdMELwGhpOJbtdnfeGS9BJbn5SheMp4xHPdMpXgKVPcZG46wqxG90FugKfyDUet0srmrrQbcR9_arCj0nUcthU4b#description (https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?




fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BsWAgdcHjkECaUGRSVh62Jo2ItsV0sUI3L5PWc_AUAPS6wJ1ld_DaWXg_aem_AdMELwGhpOJbtdnfeGS9BJbn5SheMp4xHPdMpXgKVPcZG46wqxG90FugKfyDUet0srmrrQbcR9_arCj0nUcthU4b#description)



So she is updating her book,  how annoying it must be to hear that they have a suspect.  No they can't have a suspect as my book maps out it's the McCann's.  My book won't sell if people think they have a suspect so I have to keep rubbishing everything they say about him.

It's laughable really,  she says there's no evidence against CB,  how does she know that?   She forgets to mention there is no evidence against the McCann's.

She says CB's partner in crime says he burgled apartments blah blah blah as she puts it.  He isn't the only one saying he burgled apartment there are many more.

He didn't scream she makes a mockery out of that.  This man knew CB it was they way he said she didn't scream that made him think CB had taken her.  Yes he is a criminal but he is not a Paedophile and that is what he found so disgusting about CB.

She can rant and rave as much as she likes,  annoyed that everything she has written about the McCann's is going to be discarded,  poor woman.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 23, 2024, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 23, 2024, 07:03:29 AM
Yet another irritating video from Aunt Sally, the Amaral worshipper to annoy the f*@# out of Eleanor and other non-sceptic tankers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRuSx1w978&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRuSx1w978&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown)

And the Saunokonoko interview with Wolters to which she refers...

https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BsWAgdcHjkECaUGRSVh62Jo2ItsV0sUI3L5PWc_AUAPS6wJ1ld_DaWXg_aem_AdMELwGhpOJbtdnfeGS9BJbn5SheMp4xHPdMpXgKVPcZG46wqxG90FugKfyDUet0srmrrQbcR9_arCj0nUcthU4b#description (https://omny.fm/shows/they-ve-taken-her/maddies-dead?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BsWAgdcHjkECaUGRSVh62Jo2ItsV0sUI3L5PWc_AUAPS6wJ1ld_DaWXg_aem_AdMELwGhpOJbtdnfeGS9BJbn5SheMp4xHPdMpXgKVPcZG46wqxG90FugKfyDUet0srmrrQbcR9_arCj0nUcthU4b#description)

Oh My.  She isn't ageing well and nor is her brain, which is probably more to the point.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 23, 2024, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 23, 2024, 12:01:57 PM
Oh My.  She isn't ageing well and nor is her brain, which is probably more to the point.
I have long wondered if she is suffering some sort of cognitive impairment or mental health issue, I do actually feel quite sorry for her these days.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 23, 2024, 02:17:33 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on April 23, 2024, 01:56:50 PM
I have long wondered if she is suffering some sort of cognitive impairment or mental health issue, I do actually feel quite sorry for her these days.

You know she trained The FBI in how to catch killers.  And that was many years ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 23, 2024, 05:11:54 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 23, 2024, 02:17:33 PM
You know she trained The FBI in how to catch killers.  And that was many years ago.
She’s amazing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 24, 2024, 05:27:52 PM
Day 11 (I think):

Although Pattinson's video sounds more like Day 10 when Brueckner was accused of bashing the bishop under a children's slide in Messines...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27512657/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-met-cop-defence/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27512657/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-met-cop-defence/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 27, 2024, 06:52:23 AM
The Olive Press refreshes the parts other rags can't reach... https://archive.ph/Kp28r (https://archive.ph/Kp28r)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 27, 2024, 03:08:21 PM
Ken Ralphs reiterates his story...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13341059/I-fled-UK-meet-Christian-Brueckner-Portugals-drifters-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13341059/I-fled-UK-meet-Christian-Brueckner-Portugals-drifters-Madeleine-McCann.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 27, 2024, 06:39:32 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 27, 2024, 03:08:21 PM
Ken Ralphs reiterates his story...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13341059/I-fled-UK-meet-Christian-Brueckner-Portugals-drifters-Madeleine-McCann.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13341059/I-fled-UK-meet-Christian-Brueckner-Portugals-drifters-Madeleine-McCann.html)
obviously the entire story has been made up for financial gain.

 I thought I would get that in first before the usual naysayers piped up though it seems very few of us have any interest in this case anymore.  Perhaps the penny finally dropped that the parents didn’t dunnit? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 28, 2024, 08:19:23 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on April 27, 2024, 06:39:32 PM
obviously the entire story has been made up for financial gain.

 I thought I would get that in first before the usual naysayers piped up though it seems very few of us have any interest in this case anymore.  Perhaps the penny finally dropped that the parents didn’t dunnit?
He's after the BKA's 10,000 Euro reward for info (attached).

This long-drawn-out trial is doin' me 'ed in.  The judges know CB's guilty of these fresh indecent exposure and rape offences, so just chuck him back in the clink indefinitely and hope the BKA/BPOL discover further abduction/murder evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 28, 2024, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: Myster on April 28, 2024, 08:19:23 AM
He's after the BKA's 10,000 Euro reward for info (attached).

This long-drawn-out trial is doin' me 'ed in.  The judges know CB's guilty of these fresh indecent exposure and rape offences, so just chuck him back in the clink indefinitely and hope the BKA/BPOL discover further abduction/murder evidence.

It s all a bit backwards and forwards, but there is an MO involved which needs to be proved by comparing past and current.
It is at least making sense to me.  Long and boring though it is.  I mean, we don't want the poor, demented soul to go down for something he might not have done.  Do we?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 28, 2024, 01:21:55 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 28, 2024, 12:04:52 PM
It s all a bit backwards and forwards, but there is an MO involved which needs to be proved by comparing past and current.
It is at least making sense to me.  Long and boring though it is.  I mean, we don't want the poor, demented soul to go down for something he might not have done. Do we?

Not much fear of that. I have confidence in the thoroughness of the German justice system
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 28, 2024, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 28, 2024, 01:21:55 PM
Not much fear of that. I have confidence in the thoroughness of the German justice system
[/quote

So do I.  Judges are dealing with this and not The Hoi Polloi.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 29, 2024, 12:58:00 PM
A blackout on Thursday and a strike on Friday last week at the Portuguese court led to communication problems and hence little progress in Brueckner's trial, as reported by the Braunschweiger Zeitung.  OG's DC Mark Draycott should appear on Wednesday this week...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 29, 2024, 04:33:05 PM
Fancy criticising the work of the exemplary PJ.  Just who do these arrogant Germans think they are?!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 29, 2024, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on April 29, 2024, 04:33:05 PM
Fancy criticising the work of the exemplary PJ.  Just who do these arrogant Germans think they are?!

The joke being that none of this would have happened if The PJ hadn't been so intent on screwing The McCanns and instead gone looking for a rapist wandering around The Algave for twenty odd years.  In fact, the first rape happened before Madeleine actually disappeared.

I am never going to get over that you know.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 30, 2024, 01:02:59 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 29, 2024, 05:40:37 PM
The joke being that none of this would have happened if The PJ hadn't been so intent on screwing The McCanns and instead gone looking for a rapist wandering around The Algave for twenty odd years.  In fact, the first rape happened before Madeleine actually disappeared.

I am never going to get over that you know.

Don't worry yourself. There isn't any connection between Brueckner & Madeleine's disappearance imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 30, 2024, 05:30:02 PM

Meanwhile, back in the real world Brueckner needs looking at.  When they get around to it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on April 30, 2024, 06:58:09 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 30, 2024, 05:30:02 PM
Meanwhile, back in the real world Brueckner needs looking at.  When they get around to it.

Isn't that what BKA have been supposed to have been doing since 2017 ? And what have OG been doing in that time - anything ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on April 30, 2024, 07:12:10 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 30, 2024, 06:58:09 PM
Isn't that what BKA have been supposed to have been doing since 2017 ? And what have OG been doing in that time - anything ?
...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on April 30, 2024, 09:24:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 30, 2024, 06:58:09 PM
Isn't that what BKA have been supposed to have been doing since 2017 ? And what have OG been doing in that time - anything ?

There isn't very much any of them can do with the prime suspect on trial for others sex crimes.  Although I wouldn't be surprised if Amaral is up to something.  Unless someone has told him to butt out
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 01, 2024, 09:23:00 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on April 30, 2024, 09:24:33 PM
There isn't very much any of them can do with the prime suspect on trial for others sex crimes.  Although I wouldn't be surprised if Amaral is up to something.  Unless someone has told him to butt out

I don't think that's the reason, I think they simply have run out of anything to investigate - and have failed to find anything convincing that connects Brueckner to MM.
However all will be revealed if he is ever charged by the Germans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 01, 2024, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: jassi on April 30, 2024, 06:58:09 PM
Isn't that what BKA have been supposed to have been doing since 2017 ? And what have OG been doing in that time - anything ?

They were doing an excellent job of investigating what appeared to be a spate of related sexual assaults probably being carried out by the same serial offender.

Then the realisation dawned that there could be a connection between Madeleine's disappearance and the guy who had been carrying out his own personalised crime wave based from within the Algarve.

When that happened ~ as the saying goes ~ "the ba' was on the slates" and no stone has been left unturned in the attempt to interfere with and disrupt if not cancel cases against a proven and accused sexual predator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 01, 2024, 04:25:22 PM
OG Oliver Twisting the government's arm again!  Cushy work for four part-timers at the beck and call of Das Bundeskriminalamt...

https://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/national/24292387.madeleine-mccann-investigation-receive-192-000/ (https://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/national/24292387.madeleine-mccann-investigation-receive-192-000/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 01, 2024, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 01, 2024, 04:25:22 PM
OG Oliver Twisting the government's arm again!  Cushy work for four part-timers at the beck and call of Das Bundeskriminalamt...

https://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/national/24292387.madeleine-mccann-investigation-receive-192-000/ (https://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/national/24292387.madeleine-mccann-investigation-receive-192-000/)
Either OG is pulling off a major fraud on the public purse and in plain sight or they genuinely are using the resources to further their investigation into the case.  You seem to be suggesting the former Myster, any reason for that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 01, 2024, 05:22:51 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on May 01, 2024, 04:57:29 PM
Either OG is pulling off a major fraud on the public purse and in plain sight or they genuinely are using the resources to further their investigation into the case.  You seem to be suggesting the former Myster, any reason for that?
What and who else remains for them to investigate?  The only person in their sights is Brueckner, thanks to the BKA, because they've come up with no-one else up to now, otherwise it would have been plastered all over the press on how OG have almost solved it on their own.  What other use is this seemingly never-ending hand-out being put to?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 01, 2024, 06:34:01 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 01, 2024, 05:22:51 PM
What and who else remains for them to investigate?  The only person in their sights is Brueckner, thanks to the BKA, because they've come up with no-one else up to now, otherwise it would have been plastered all over the press on how OG have almost solved it on their own.  What other use is this seemingly never-ending hand-out being put to?
I understand your frustration because you don’t know what they’re up to but just because you don’t know what they’re up to doesn’t mean they’re using the money to pay for golfing holidays on the Algarve.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 01, 2024, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 01, 2024, 05:22:51 PM
What and who else remains for them to investigate?  The only person in their sights is Brueckner, thanks to the BKA, because they've come up with no-one else up to now, otherwise it would have been plastered all over the press on how OG have almost solved it on their own.  What other use is this seemingly never-ending hand-out being put to?

It helps to pay the wages of 4 police officers
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 01, 2024, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: jassi on May 01, 2024, 07:24:43 PM
It helps to pay the wages of 4 police officers
Assuming an average full salary of £50k per London Met detective, the wage bill for 4 x part time = £100k.  I guess the other £100k covers the flights, the frequent stays at the luxury resort and golf club fees.  🙄
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 01, 2024, 09:06:14 PM

Yer well.  I think OG know where Madeleine is.  They just can't prove it at the moment so they are just keeping watch.

Voila!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on May 02, 2024, 09:32:28 AM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 01, 2024, 09:06:14 PM
Yer well.  I think OG know where Madeleine is.  They just can't prove it at the moment so they are just keeping watch.

Voila!

Hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 02, 2024, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: jassi on May 02, 2024, 09:32:28 AM
Hope springs eternal.

Always.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 02, 2024, 11:34:11 AM
Day 12:

Mark Draycott recalls OG's interview with Helge Busching in Athens 2017...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13374715/British-cop-involved-search-Madeleine-McCann-reveals-dealings-major-witness-time-giving-evidence-Christian-Brueckner-rape-trial.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13374715/British-cop-involved-search-Madeleine-McCann-reveals-dealings-major-witness-time-giving-evidence-Christian-Brueckner-rape-trial.html)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-case-blown-wide-32718161 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-case-blown-wide-32718161)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 02, 2024, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 02, 2024, 11:34:11 AM
Day 12:

Mark Draycott recalls OG's interview with Helge Busching in Athens 2017...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13374715/British-cop-involved-search-Madeleine-McCann-reveals-dealings-major-witness-time-giving-evidence-Christian-Brueckner-rape-trial.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13374715/British-cop-involved-search-Madeleine-McCann-reveals-dealings-major-witness-time-giving-evidence-Christian-Brueckner-rape-trial.html)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-case-blown-wide-32718161 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-case-blown-wide-32718161)
So has the case against Brückner collapsed now?  Isn’t that what some people were expecting when Draycott gave his evidence? But good to have it confirmed that contrary to popular belief Helge Busching’s witness statement was not given in exchange for his freedom or a cash incentive. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2024, 09:01:02 PM
Remembering Madeleine who went missing round about this time 17 years ago.

Some words from her parents yesterday

It’s 17 years since Madeleine was taken from us. It’s hard to even say that number without shaking our heads in disbelief. Whilst we are fortunate in many ways and able to live a relatively normal and enjoyable life now, the ‘living in limbo’ is still very unsettling. And the absence still aches.

Your support continues to encourage us and bolsters our strength to keep going. We know the love and hope for Madeleine and the will to find her, even after so many years, remains, and we are truly thankful for that.

Thank you again for remembering Madeleine and all missing children.

~Kate and Gerry
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 04, 2024, 07:23:28 AM
No show from K&G at the annual vigil, but OMG!!! Look who's turned up when you least expect it...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13381211/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-Kate-Gerry-fail-attend-prayer-vigil-17th-anniversary-disappearance.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13381211/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-Kate-Gerry-fail-attend-prayer-vigil-17th-anniversary-disappearance.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 04, 2024, 04:31:27 PM
Two recent Braunschweiger Zeitung reports attached.

Fulscher up to his usual tricks, this time demanding a retrial in the Diana Menkes rape case but being rejected by the German Criminal Court (Gottingen).

Plus a tiny potted bio of Fulscher himself.

And an Australian interview from 2020...

https://www.youtube.com/watch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=734n3yZJ8gs&ab_channel=9NewsAustralia)v=734n3yZJ8gs&ab_channel=9NewsAustralia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=734n3yZJ8gs&ab_channel=9NewsAustralia)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 04, 2024, 04:32:23 PM
1:
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 04, 2024, 04:45:43 PM
2:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/8d6idci7ordnrfr/Screenshot+2024-05-04+at+15-33-13+Anwalt+von+Christian+B.+Darum+vertritt+er+den+Maddie-Verdächtigen+1.png/file (https://www.mediafire.com/file/8d6idci7ordnrfr/Screenshot+2024-05-04+at+15-33-13+Anwalt+von+Christian+B.+Darum+vertritt+er+den+Maddie-Verdächtigen+1.png/file)

This file was too large to attach directly and kept stalling, so I uploaded to MediaFire instead... quite safe to download.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 04, 2024, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 04, 2024, 07:23:28 AM
No show from K&G at the annual vigil, but OMG!!! Look who's turned up when you least expect it...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13381211/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-Kate-Gerry-fail-attend-prayer-vigil-17th-anniversary-disappearance.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13381211/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-Kate-Gerry-fail-attend-prayer-vigil-17th-anniversary-disappearance.html)
Kate and Gerry had a narrow escape there - what a nutter, I thought she’d come to terms with the fact that she wasn’t Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 05, 2024, 07:09:27 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on May 04, 2024, 08:42:49 PM
Kate and Gerry had a narrow escape there - what a nutter, I thought she’d come to terms with the fact that she wasn’t Madeleine?
Probably forewarned that a party-pooper was in town and wanted to avoid confrontation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on May 05, 2024, 06:39:08 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 05, 2024, 07:09:27 AM
Probably forewarned that a party-pooper was in town and wanted to avoid confrontation.

That thought crossed my mind too.

This year marking Madeleine's 21st birthday is definitely a marker.

If avoiding a public event was their own choice I think it was a good one. But if it was forced on them to avoid confrontation again it was the way to handle it, but what a sad reflection that this stalker made the effort and covered the distance she did to prove her innate insensitivity.
Why did she or whoever picked up the tab, think it would be a good idea.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 06, 2024, 10:44:35 AM

The McCanns behaviour is appalling. Madeleine travelled all the way from Europe to finally be reunited with them & it turns out they b....red off on holiday. Shameful behaviour. Oh well. Hopefully she tries again next year or knocks on their front door. I expect the McCanns would get a restraining order out against her though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 06, 2024, 02:13:37 PM
I couldn’t watch the whole thing as it’s just tooooo long and boring but the bits I did see were just hilariously bad.  For a start there were more people on the podium answering questions than in the audience asking them.  And the great revelation turns out to be three pink flowered shrubs growing in a row on top of a “grave” in which no body was discovered.  It’s to plug an 800 page long book of every #Mcconspir a loon theory rolled into one by the sound of it but fortunately no one is remotely interested (apart, allegedly from Fredreick Fulscher, which if true means he’s just as batshit as the rest of the sceptic community). 
https://youtu.be/uMtL7P6yDRQ?si=Qqm3N7Ph_dF2QA--
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 06, 2024, 10:53:11 PM
That's it then, case solved!  Anyone fancy a group archaeology trip to the Rocha Negra?  I've got me trusty Spear & Jackson stainless ready that's unearthed a couple of dead dogs on the Pennine foothills in the past.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 07, 2024, 08:53:11 AM
He had the good fortune to discover the alleged grave but couldn't be bothered digging up Madeleine's body...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 07, 2024, 05:20:43 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 07, 2024, 08:53:11 AM
He had the good fortune to discover the alleged grave but couldn't be bothered digging up Madeleine's body...
If Martin Grime had any sense he’d get in his SUV with his latest batch of “enhanced” cadaver puppies and go to the “grave” where they will no doubt bark themselves hoarse, Amaral can be summoned with a spade to dig up the body and a chorus of a million sceptic voices singing out “haha, we told you so” will ring out around the world.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 08, 2024, 08:31:26 AM
For those who have 36€ i.e. £31 (with free devilry) to throw away on a weighty garbage-filled doorstop...

https://www.wook.pt/livro/the-sudden-impulse-bernt-stellander/29980369 (https://www.wook.pt/livro/the-sudden-impulse-bernt-stellander/29980369)

Wonder if Aunt Sally was first in line to order her copy?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2024, 09:04:07 AM
Quote from: Myster on May 08, 2024, 08:31:26 AM
For those who have 36€ i.e. £31 (with free devilry) to throw away on a weighty garbage-filled doorstop...

https://www.wook.pt/livro/the-sudden-impulse-bernt-stellander/29980369 (https://www.wook.pt/livro/the-sudden-impulse-bernt-stellander/29980369)

Wonder if Aunt Sally was first in line to order her copy?
Bound to be number 1 of the Times Bestseller list by this time next week!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 08, 2024, 10:22:36 AM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2024, 09:04:07 AM
Bound to be number 1 of the Times Bestseller list by this time next week!
Who would have guessed?  Embarrassing backtracking but overjoyed to get a freebie!...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aV-v-5IYs&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aV-v-5IYs&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 08, 2024, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 08, 2024, 10:22:36 AM
Who would have guessed?  Embarrassing backtracking but overjoyed to get a freebie!...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aV-v-5IYs&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aV-v-5IYs&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown)

The Advert was quite interesting.

PS.  What did the rest of it have to say?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2024, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 08, 2024, 10:22:36 AM
Who would have guessed?  Embarrassing backtracking but overjoyed to get a freebie!...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aV-v-5IYs&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aV-v-5IYs&ab_channel=ProfilingwithPatBrown)
She seems quite giddy about the Foreign Detective, even going so far as to refer to him as a “Fungi” (which sort, I wonder, death cap perhaps?). Lots of virtual eyelash fluttering detected  8**8:/:
Also she reckons you’d need a shovel and a metal detector to dig up Madeleine’s so called grave - is this because of a new theory that she was actually a robot?  It’s as plausible as any I guess, all opinions matter, even the completely bonkers ones.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 08, 2024, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 08, 2024, 01:09:29 PM
The Advert was quite interesting.

PS.  What did the rest of it have to say?
Which advert was this?  I use two adblockers which stop them before they start and leave YT videos and other sites free of time-wasting, mind-numbing content.  Similarly with Classic FM, I have to turn their repetitive adverts off, then turn the radio back on again after two minutes or so.  Otherwise I'd have to sue Hurtigruten Cruises and We Buy Any Car for inducing premature dementia.

As for the rest, just the usual letting her overactive lollicker run away with her before engaging the brain. She differs from Claude Rains reincarnated re. the burial location, miles apart it appears, and day of accidental death.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 08, 2024, 05:54:08 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2024, 03:17:50 PM
She seems quite giddy about the Foreign Detective, even going so far as to refer to him as a “Fungi” (which sort, I wonder, death cap perhaps?). Lots of virtual eyelash fluttering detected  8**8:/:
Also she reckons you’d need a shovel and a metal detector to dig up Madeleine’s so called grave - is this because of a new theory that she was actually a robot?  It’s as plausible as any I guess, all opinions matter, even the completely bonkers ones.
Perhaps Sally thinks Madeleine swallowed a steel teaspoon when they overdosed her with Calpol.

What's worse is that Fungi expects the Tapas 7+2 and nanny to hold a(nother) secret meeting in Rothley to discuss their next step having been groundlessly accused of conspiracy to cover things up.  What a cheek!  I foresee them employing Carter-Ruck to send him a cease and desist letter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 08, 2024, 06:26:35 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 08, 2024, 05:32:27 PM
Which advert was this?  I use two adblockers which stop them before they start and leave YT videos and other sites free of time-wasting, mind-numbing content.  Similarly with Classic FM, I have to turn their repetitive adverts off, then turn the radio back on again after two minutes or so.  Otherwise I'd have to sue Hurtigruten Cruises and We Buy Any Car for inducing premature dementia.

As for the rest, just the usual letting her overactive lollicker run away with her before engaging the brain. She differs from Claude Rains reincarnated re. the burial location, miles apart it appears, and day of accidental death.

Not sure about the Advert.  It was in French, but at least it was a bit lively.  The only mind numbing bit was the five seconds of Pat Brown that it took for me to hit the Delete Button.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 08, 2024, 07:03:45 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 08, 2024, 05:54:08 PM
Perhaps Sally thinks Madeleine swallowed a steel teaspoon when they overdosed her with Calpol.

What's worse is that Fungi expects the Tapas 7+2 and nanny to hold a(nother) secret meeting in Rothley to discuss their next step having been groundlessly accused of conspiracy to cover things up.  What a cheek!  I foresee them employing Carter-Ruck to send him a cease and desist letter.
I foresee them rolling their eyes wearily and saying to each other “not another barmpot out to make a buck out of our missing child” and then quietly  ignoring him and his ridiculous waste of a good couple of trees.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2024, 07:49:23 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 08, 2024, 05:54:08 PM
Perhaps Sally thinks Madeleine swallowed a steel teaspoon when they overdosed her with Calpol.

What's worse is that Fungi expects the Tapas 7+2 and nanny to hold a(nother) secret meeting in Rothley to discuss their next step having been groundlessly accused of conspiracy to cover things up.  What a cheek!  I foresee them employing Carter-Ruck to send him a cease and desist letter.

Busy times for the McCanns then. Another round of legal action against a crackpot author & the impending restraining order they'll need to get against the fat woman who thinks she's Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 11, 2024, 10:32:38 AM

Moving On!!!!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 11, 2024, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 11, 2024, 10:32:38 AM
Moving On!!!!
that’s simply not possible for trolls that think it’s still 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 11, 2024, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on May 11, 2024, 05:18:45 PM
that’s simply not possible for trolls that think it’s still 2007.

If they even believe what they say.  But it is getting easier to ignore.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 12, 2024, 01:32:09 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on May 11, 2024, 05:18:45 PM
that’s simply not possible for trolls that think it’s still 2007.

I'm quite aware that it is 2024 & I'm still waiting patiently & peacefully for Wolters to reveal the concrete evidence. It shouldn't be much longer now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 13, 2024, 07:45:22 AM
Hazel Behan expected to attend the trial this week, either in person or via video link...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27875291/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-trying-stop/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27875291/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-trying-stop/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 13, 2024, 02:39:10 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 13, 2024, 07:45:22 AM
Hazel Behan expected to attend the trial this week, either in person or via video link...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27875291/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-trying-stop/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27875291/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-trying-stop/)
Poor guy, so many unfortunate coincidences to contend with - like the fact that his hair ended up in one rape victim’s bed, and the fact that he has a scar at the top of his leg right where another rape victim alleges her attacker had a birthmark.  Then there’s the remarkable coincidence of his two ex-mates completely fabricating video evidence naming him as the attacker which just happens to match almost exactly the modus operandi of the rapes of which he is accused.  Then let’s not forget the enormous coincidence of him being a child molester and burglar of holday apartments with an expressed desire for raping children whose phone pinged close to the holiday apartment where a small girl disappeared never to be seen again and who has so many ex colleagues, lovers and friends all absolutely convinced of his involvement in her abduction for one reason or another..  Poor guy, it’s as if they’ve all got it in for him. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 15, 2024, 11:12:22 AM
Day 13:

Brueckner's day of reckoning?...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27925647/madeleine-mccann-suspect-raped-holiday-rep-knifepoint/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27925647/madeleine-mccann-suspect-raped-holiday-rep-knifepoint/)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13420651/irish-woman-raped-christian-brueckner-terrifying-ordeal-lied-pregnant-stop.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13420651/irish-woman-raped-christian-brueckner-terrifying-ordeal-lied-pregnant-stop.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Admin on May 15, 2024, 01:30:34 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 15, 2024, 11:12:22 AM
Day 13:

Brueckner's day of reckoning?...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27925647/madeleine-mccann-suspect-raped-holiday-rep-knifepoint/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27925647/madeleine-mccann-suspect-raped-holiday-rep-knifepoint/)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13420651/irish-woman-raped-christian-brueckner-terrifying-ordeal-lied-pregnant-stop.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13420651/irish-woman-raped-christian-brueckner-terrifying-ordeal-lied-pregnant-stop.html)

Bruckner is certainly showing his age in those latest photos.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 15, 2024, 01:51:58 PM
Good old Portuguese Plod

Hazel eventually ran out of the room and raised the alarm at the hotel reception, the court heard. Hazel told the court how Portuguese police “laughed and joked” in front of her when she went to give a statement in Portimao.

“There were 3 police officers there, three men, they had their feet on the table and were chatting with each other,” she said.“They were completely unaware of anything happening around them, and they were only speaking in Portuguese. They were laughing and joking with each other when I sat in the chair. They threw a bag of evidence across the table and asked if they were my clothes and I said yes, of course. It was all very quick. They told me that the best thing that I could do was to go home. I never heard anything again from the Portuguese police.” She said in the days following the attack she felt “like I was in a bubble”.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 15, 2024, 06:15:30 PM
Fulscher up to his usual disgraceful tricks by trying to get Hazel Behan's evidence declared inadmissible.

From The Guardian...

Wednesday’s hearing was delayed for more than an hour after Brückner’s defence lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, lodged an objection to the official translation of Behan’s 2020 interview with Germany’s criminal police, the BKA. He claimed that the police officer who had interviewed her had not been qualified to do so, thus rendering the interview null and void.The judge, Uta Engemann, rejected the objection, paving the way for Behan to give her evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 15, 2024, 06:24:35 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 15, 2024, 06:15:30 PM
Fulscher up to his usual disgraceful tricks by trying to get Hazel Behan's evidence declared inadmissible.

From The Guardian...

Wednesday’s hearing was delayed for more than an hour after Brückner’s defence lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, lodged an objection to the official translation of Behan’s 2020 interview with Germany’s criminal police, the BKA. He claimed that the police officer who had interviewed her had not been qualified to do so, thus rendering the interview null and void.The judge, Uta Engemann, rejected the objection, paving the way for Behan to give her evidence.
Desperation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 15, 2024, 08:11:25 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 15, 2024, 06:15:30 PM
Fulscher up to his usual disgraceful tricks by trying to get Hazel Behan's evidence declared inadmissible.

From The Guardian...

Wednesday’s hearing was delayed for more than an hour after Brückner’s defence lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, lodged an objection to the official translation of Behan’s 2020 interview with Germany’s criminal police, the BKA. He claimed that the police officer who had interviewed her had not been qualified to do so, thus rendering the interview null and void.The judge, Uta Engemann, rejected the objection, paving the way for Behan to give her evidence.

Tis time Fulscher moved to Portugal.  He would fit right in there.  No good working for The Prosecution. against sex offenders. No one listens to them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 17, 2024, 11:26:39 AM
Aw Diddums!!!... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-moans-prison-32831638 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-moans-prison-32831638)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on May 17, 2024, 02:09:12 PM
Quote from: Myster on May 17, 2024, 11:26:39 AM
Aw Diddums!!!... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-moans-prison-32831638 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-moans-prison-32831638)

Oh dear the prison food is making him fat.  Better cut the toasted bread down to four slices and the sausage down to one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on May 17, 2024, 02:10:09 PM
It's no wonder CB was so cocky with his burglaries with police like that. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on May 17, 2024, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: Lace on May 17, 2024, 02:09:12 PM
Oh dear the prison food is making him fat.  Better cut the toasted bread down to four slices and the sausage down to one.

I would cut the sausage altogether.  If you want my opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2024, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Lace on May 17, 2024, 02:09:12 PM
Oh dear the prison food is making him fat.  Better cut the toasted bread down to four slices and the sausage down to one.
He’s obviously keen to preserve the “walking cadaver” physique.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2024, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on May 17, 2024, 02:25:18 PM
I would cut the sausage altogether.  If you want my opinion.
Right off which would reduce his chances of committing further sex crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 17, 2024, 10:53:49 PM

His treatment in prison is appalling. He should at least be allowed hot meals & showers for goodness sake. He's incarcerated in Germany, not Cambodia.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 17, 2024, 10:56:59 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2024, 04:15:34 PM
Right off which would reduce his chances of committing further sex crimes.

Maybe take his hands, lips & tongue off aswell. Just to be on the safe side. Sod it, might aswell just execute him to be absolutely sure. Don't think they have the death penalty in Germany though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 17, 2024, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: Venturi Swirl on May 17, 2024, 04:13:26 PM
He’s obviously keen to preserve the “walking cadaver” physique.

He doesn't look too bad considering he's been festering in the isolation wing for the past four & half years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on May 18, 2024, 02:39:58 AM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on May 17, 2024, 10:53:49 PM
His treatment in prison is appalling. He should at least be allowed hot meals & showers for goodness sake. He's incarcerated in Germany, not Cambodia.

WS, I agree with that.   

At the moment, he is innocent.   Even if found guilty he should have reasonable standards of care.imo.

I am sorry to be at odds with some of my friends but I believe in plain and basic, but humane conditions, in prison.   Who knows, he might even be mentally ill?   I believe that the lead in the Madeleine case is.


From his appearance he is having a rough time of it.  I wonder if his prized leather jacket has been stolen?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on May 18, 2024, 06:10:26 AM
Spammy doesn't really mean it, Sadie... just like everything he says.